Grey Thoughts

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And Christmas is coming.

Cristina: Yay.

Jack: So we're grounding baffling ideas because that's.

Cristina: What we do before Santa gets here.

Jack: Oh, I guess. Right, because we're already gonna capture Santa.

Cristina: In a few hours or something like that.

Jack: Really? That's today?

Cristina: It's not today. It's at midnight.

Jack: What's a midnight?

Cristina: When Santa shows up, is it everyone's midnight? I don't know. Is it? I don't know how it works time wise.

Jack: Okay, so wait, what numerically, what day is. Is Christmas?

Cristina: 25Th.

Jack: Interesting. It always thought it was the 24th.

Cristina: It's Christmas Eve, I guess.

Jack: Oh. So, yeah, yeah. It's like a thing.

Cristina: Yes. You stay up all night on the 24th to go to bed. I don't know. I guess not really. Some people just have a normal 24th and then on Christmas day open their presents.

Jack: Yeah. That makes sense, right? Waking up to it.

Cristina: Yeah. And some people celebrate Christmas Eve like it's Christmas. They just hang out and wait for 12 and then open their presents.

Jack: Okay, so the idea here is I'm thinking that there's a difference between the people who Open it at 12 and people who wake up to it.

Cristina: There's a difference?

Jack: Yes. Which is that the people who Open it at 12 are science minded people.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: While the people who open open it the next morning are more fantastical.

Jack: So they are in the magic of it, while these other people are like, f*** it. If the point is the day and the stuff, then we can like optimize the experience.

Cristina: But they tell their children that Santa Claus magic works at midnight or something. I guess.

Jack: But what?

Cristina: Yes. Like he delivers the gifts early under the tree, but if you open it before Christmas, there's nothing going to be in there.

Jack: Wait, is that what you experienced?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Really?

Cristina: Yes. The magic happens at midnight.

Jack: Really? Interesting.

Cristina: He delivers them on Christmas Eve, but there's nothing in there until Christmas.

Jack: I guess I could still in theory be. No, but there's in theory nothing under the tree the day before in a household that does it the next morning. Right.

Cristina: I'm not sure.

Jack: Then that's when like dad sneaks out and brings all, you know, the kids went to sleep. Dad then gets dressed as Santa Claus and comes and delivers the gifts all late.

Cristina: Oh, man, I wish I could have questioned some people.

Jack: Right. I guess the experience is so different from household to household.

Cristina: Yes. I think everyone makes up the rules for their own family of how it's done. I don't think there's, like, a real tradition anymore or ever was. Like, there is sort of, like, loosely. Loosely. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. It's like, guidelines more than rules.

Cristina: Yes. And I think every family does it their own way. Whatever, like, fits what they're doing, so.

Jack: Yeah, I agree with that.

Cristina: Yeah. So how did you do it day.

Jack: Of or day before whatever was happening at the location I was at.

Cristina: What? So it was different each year.

Jack: There was no celebration.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah. We would just go wherever and write it.

Cristina: Okay. But they were doing it different.

Jack: Yeah. Depends where we were.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay. Then the only person I know who did it the day of had the gifts on the tree the day of. Okay. Does Santa work differently depending on the family?

Jack: Well, it's. Again, it's just random rules people are making up that.

Cristina: What?

Jack: It's random rules people are making up.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's no real. Like, it has to be this way. As long as the general guidelines are followed, then I guess there's enough collective fear.

Cristina: Oh, yes.

Jack: Yeah. All you need is a fear to be generated. Oh, there's. The whole year matters so much.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because of this one day, and it's always more fear than it was. The day you got the least fear is the day immediately after Christmas. You got your stuff, the released habit. You just. Ah, yes. The weight paid off.

Cristina: Except for those kids who are unhappy with what they got.

Jack: Yeah. Fair enough.

Cristina: There's enough of those.

Jack: I bet. I bet that's the majority.

Cristina: What? Spoiled children. Spoiled.

Jack: Yeah. I think children are more spoiled as time goes by, right?

Cristina: Mm, probably.

Jack: Would we say. Would we say that the children are more spoiled or. Or are we focusing on the spoiledness more?

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Like, we would highlight. What? There's how they're spoiled. That they're spoiled more often now because they like things that we wouldn't. Right. Is that, like, a thing? Like, the adult is like, you know, all this superficial stuff that didn't exist in my life so I have no interest in. Is meaningless because I don't have interest in it, so. Because they have interest in it. Look at this spoiled kid wanting all these things that, to that kid, looked like survival.

Cristina: To that kid, looks like survival.

Jack: Yeah. Think about how crazy it is to not have a phone now.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Whoa. That just was a thing. You Lived without at some point. Yeah, everybody did. Yeah, well, not everybody. I guess we're way beyond the point that everybody had a point in life without a phone. Because at this point, we're talking that, like, kids who could start holding things learn how to use a phone because it's their mom handing them the phone to keep them distracted.

Cristina: Mm. That sucks.

Jack: They are toddlers learning how to navigate these things. What?

Cristina: Well, that's great. I guess they might integrate some. Yeah, yeah. Once we're all living in computers or whatever.

Jack: Yeah. They're gonna be the heroes. They're gonna be the ones who can hack their way out.

Cristina: Yes. Maybe. I don't know, man. I keep seeing reports about neuralink and how they're killing animals. Like, I'm sure it makes sense. A lot of animals are gonna die.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah.

Cristina: I don't know if it's as bad as they make it seem, though.

Jack: How many animals have they said are.

Cristina: Dead in the 2000s now? I think there's like, a variety of different animals as well, but. Yeah.

Jack: So it doesn't work at the moment.

Cristina: No. Or maybe it does. I don't know.

Jack: But they're like, maybe all the. As many corpses as requ.

Cristina: Because what if it's like, it's a lot, but what if it's not a lot compared to how many animals are testing? Like 200 are dead. But what if they're testing a thousand?

Jack: Well, that is a s***** number, but I see where you're coming from. What if they ran the experiment on, like, a million numbers and it's a million animals and it's just 200?

Cristina: Yes. Like, we don't know the exact number of how many are being tested versus how many are failing the test.

Jack: Yeah, Those numbers could be completely obscured. They could be huge and. Or small. But no, it has to be. Okay. If they're doing really, really hyper controlled tests, they're probably experimenting. So. So they're testing things on an animal, studying it literally to death. Or they think it's done and they're trying to run it, and they're running it on a huge number of animals, and the only ones that have negative side effects are the 200. Those are two very different things that could be happening both with the animals dying. If it's still in the experimentation stages, they could be killing the animals.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: And it's very. But it's very few animals. It's probably just 200 animals, if that's what they're saying. Because they're all controlled tests. You're just Running tests on one thing, seeing all the different behaviors and whatever. What you could control, what can't be controlled through the thought of the animal or whatever.

Cristina: When you kill it, it.

Jack: No, no, it just dies. You exhaust it or something goes wrong. You have to test all the glitches and whatever and something happens. So that. That would mean that 200 out of the 200. It might have just been 200 testing on which, like, they've killed all their test subjects.

Cristina: That sounds pretty crazy.

Jack: Yeah, but it could be that they're also just running the test as long as they could. The animal is gonna die. Yes, they expect it.

Cristina: Unless it's like, okay, five months later or something. The animal's dead. That's kind of crazy.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. That'd be crazy. But if it's the other test, then it's already done. They're just running it on a bunch of animals. Could be millions and 200 dead.

Cristina: Yeah, I gotta do more research on this. Eventually I'll figure it out. Yeah, because it could be either or. I have no idea. It just sounds like a lot. But it may or may not be a lot. Or it may be that they're doing until they just die off because of age. Like.

Jack: Well, it depends on who's telling you.

Cristina: Who's telling me?

Jack: Yeah, like if it's PETA, you're not gonna switch. They don't care which side it is. It's gonna seem crazy no matter what.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If it's written by somebody pro life, they're not gonna tell you about the rest of the experiments. Just 200. If they're telling you. If somebody science minded, they're probably only gonna tell you about the sciencey side and try to minimize how much damage is being done because. Yeah, it could be worse than it is. It could just. There's a lot going on.

Cristina: I will find out eventually. That's my Christmas duty.

Jack: Your Christmas duty?

Cristina: Yes. So you guys will find out before New Year's. Maybe if I actually do this.

Jack: Yes, we remember.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. I decided to do it right now they're being. They're investigating him for violating the Animal Welfare Act. So. Federal investigation on narrow link.

Jack: So.

Cristina: So they are killing animals?

Jack: Well, I mean, if he's being investigated for it, then we don't know. They're checking to make sure. Because an investigation could just be to confirm that there's nothing wrong.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: It could totally mean that there's something as well. It depends on what the investigation concludes.

Cristina: Yeah, but that's a serious investigation. If it's federal.

Jack: Well, I'm assuming the Federal branch of the government. Well, no, because it's police. Right. Or is it law? Who is it? Who? The federal. What?

Cristina: Oh, no, I lost it. Federal investigation.

Jack: Who's who? Who? The Fed.

Cristina: Who are the Feds?

Jack: Like the Federal and Bureau of Investigations. They're the investigators, I guess. Or is it like politicians are doing. No, they would just send cops. Right.

Cristina: The United States Department of Agriculture Inspector General has opened a probe into potential violations.

Jack: Oh, there's just this other agency that's been hun to investigate. Interesting.

Cristina: We got some real numbers here. Neuralink likely calls researchers to test and kill more animals than a slower, more conventional approach would call for. Since 2019, the company has tested on and killed at least 1500 animals, over 280 sheep, pigs and monkeys, as well as mice and rats. So they are killing off these animals?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's a thousand five hundred.

Cristina: Fifteen hundred? Yes.

Jack: So about a thousand five hundred. Whoa. That's way more than two hundred.

Cristina: Yes. What the. That was the original number. Two hundred?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: That's way more than 200.

Cristina: That's a lot of animals. It's been a lot of years, though, too, right? It has been at least, what, 20, 18? This started or.

Jack: Yeah, I think that's what they said.

Cristina: Yeah. So how much years is that?

Jack: Three, four years?

Cristina: Four years and a thousand five hundred animals.

Jack: I guess you really gotta ask yourself if it's worth it for science. That's. That's the next question. Right. Okay, look, look.

Cristina: Once it succeeds, then they're gonna be like, yes, it was totally worth it.

Jack: Leading the fight up to that point is gonna be so massive, it's only gonna get worse. Yes, but after he reaches the climax, the tip, the peak, the threshold, if you will, and starts coming down the other side of that mountain, Mm. It's gonna be such exaggeratedly easy sailing.

Cristina: I don't know. Because once he starts like man, once the human testing happens, he can't do what he's doing with these animals. He can't try to speed it up to get this going because he wants it already made already. He's speeding up the process because he.

Jack: Wants it for him.

Cristina: Yes, but the problem is all these deaths.

Jack: Yeah, well, it's gonna happen in a long stretch anyways.

Cristina: Yes, but at least if it was slowed down, if he wasn't in a rush for it, it'd be done more safely. It'll take longer to accomplish, but less animals and less humans in the future will not be Dead. Isn't that the point? That is doing it the right way.

Jack: That is fair. We also got to think like, do you want to see the fruits of your labor? Do you just want it for the next generation?

Cristina: I guess that's why he. Yeah.

Jack: Everything he wants, he wants for him. Elon Musk isn't a hero.

Cristina: No.

Jack: He's not trying to advance humanity, advance himself. He made PayPal, cuz. F*** banks. That's like crazy. Okay, perfect. He made self driving cars because he hates driving.

Cristina: Yes. Self driving, flying cars. Isn't that the future?

Jack: Definitely a thing. That's gonna be dope as h***. And it's gonna be easy with AI navigating all of it. Hyperloop. He wants to be able to cross the country in a couple of minutes.

Cristina: It's very lazy.

Jack: Yeah, he just. He wants to remove things. But think about how much he does. He somehow optimizes life enough to run seven massive operations.

Cristina: Wait, does Twitter count now?

Jack: Yes. Yeah, I guess. How does he have the time?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Eight massive operations.

Cristina: That's ridiculous.

Jack: Yes, and like full hands on with all of them.

Cristina: Mm. That's a lot of work, man.

Jack: A lot of work. But he's optimized so much of it.

Cristina: Gotta have figured out cloney. Yeah, he's cloned himself. There's more than one of him running around. Maybe more than us. One of us are running around. Well, me probably, not. You definitely.

Jack: Yeah, for sure.

Cristina: There's gotta be like one or two other you's out there.

Jack: Yeah, see, that's the crazy part, right? It's unclear.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's unclear whether it's one or two.

Cristina: So yeah, he could be in the same situation. We don't know.

Jack: I mean, there's definitely multiple Elon Musks. Maybe one per business. Maybe he's in a real multiplicity type of situation.

Cristina: Whoa. So there's gotta be seven, eight now. Yes. Midget. Him is the one running totor.

Jack: Midget.

Cristina: The Danny DeVito version of him.

Jack: DeVito isn't a midget. And also, isn't midget like a non PC term?

Cristina: Oh, I didn't mean that. I meant Danny DeVito. The Danny DeVito version of him.

Jack: The Danny DeVito version.

Cristina: Was he even in that movie? I don't even remember. I just remember there was different people playing the same person. It's the same person.

Jack: No, it's Michael Keaton. Four or five times.

Cristina: Oh, okay. It's just him. Why did I think it was different actors playing him? Is there a movie with different actors? Or playing the same. I don't know.

Jack: There is a movie where Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny DeVito are twins.

Cristina: Oh, maybe that's what I was thinking. Okay, whatever. Danny DeVito is a version of Elon Musk.

Jack: Yeah. Danny DeVito got all the recessive genes, and Arnold got all the, like, dominant genes. All the good, like, dope stuff, all the skill.

Cristina: Okay, and which one got the brains then? He got the brains.

Jack: He got the brains, too. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay, there's a Elon Musk that looks like Danny DeVito but with, I don't know, the same amount of hair. I was gonna say more or less, but I don't. The Danny DeVito version of him is without glasses. That's what makes him different from both. From the regular Danny DeVito. It still. It looks just like Danny DeVito, but it's Elon's twin.

Jack: Okay, okay.

Cristina: Does Danny DeVito wear glasses? I don't even know.

Jack: Does Danny.

Cristina: Well, I guess I've seen him with glasses, but that could be acting.

Jack: Yeah, I mean, Frank from he.

Cristina: We. Glasses?

Jack: Yeah, I think he wears glasses.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: But I don't. I don't know if Danny DeVito wears glasses. Maybe he wears glasses.

Cristina: Well, whatever. This version of him also, like, what.

Jack: Awesome life to have, like, beaten all the odds with Donnie. Danny DeVito. Right. Like, his acting overcomes everything because he knows he's like a weird little dwarf guy. Not dwarf. He's like a. Like a troll doll or something.

Cristina: He's just really round.

Jack: He's round. He's like. If you got Robin Williams and put, like, a Robin Williams doll and you put him in the microwave and you, like, microwave him for not. Not enough that it melts, but, like, enough to get just a little bit to fluff. Deformed.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Not literally that he looks like a deformed doll, but he's like. If you were to downgrade something by that much margin. Because they're essentially two short guys. Except I don't think Robin Williams were so short. He could.

Cristina: Robin Williams wasn't that sure, was he?

Jack: I'm pretty sure he was pretty. He was short. He wasn't tall. He was. I bet he was, like, five, six.

Cristina: I'm gonna look it up. I thought he was just average. 5, 6 is average.

Jack: 5, 6 is below average.

Cristina: Oh, 5, 7.

Jack: 5, 7. I don't know. I've never looked this up. This is entirely just off of how he looks.

Cristina: He's right next to. What's his name? Oh, crap. You can't see. Ask what's this actor's name? The guy that people think Harry Potter looks like who did the Lord of the Rings movies.

Jack: The Lord of the Ring movies?

Cristina: Yes. Wilbert.

Jack: Who?

Cristina: The actor from Wilbert.

Jack: I don't.

Cristina: The talking dog. Wilfred.

Jack: Wilfred.

Cristina: Wilfred.

Jack: Wilfred.

Cristina: Eli. Ellen.

Jack: Oh, Ellen DeGeneres.

Cristina: No. I tried to remember the actor's name. His name, I feel like, starts with the E. What was he in the Lord of the Rings?

Jack: The Lord of the Rings? Who do I know? The main star of Lord of the Rings.

Cristina: The main.

Jack: Elijah Wood.

Cristina: Yes. He is about the same height.

Jack: 5 7.

Cristina: I don't know if he is, but, like in this photo of them together standing next to each other, he looks like he's the same height.

Jack: How tall is Elijah? I bet Elijah Wood. I. Dude, I never thought about Elijah Wood's height in my life. I could have sworn he was. He might have been due to the Hobbit, though. But I thought he was way shorter, like five two or something. What?

Cristina: I mean, maybe, I don't know. Five, six.

Jack: Five six? He's way taller than I thought he was.

Cristina: He's the height you thought Robin Williams was. Okay, yeah. Wow.

Jack: I mean, Robin Williams basically is five six.

Cristina: Okay, let's find out how tall Danny DeVito is. What if he's not even that crazy?

Jack: Can you imagine?

Cristina: He's the same height as Elijah.

Jack: Nah. 5:1.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: What's your bet?

Cristina: I already see it. Is 5:1 no shorter?

Jack: 4:7?

Cristina: Taller?

Jack: 4:9?

Cristina: 4:10.

Jack: 4:10. How many. How many people? How many men do you think are 410 in the world? Is that common? Is he not strange? Is this strange here?

Cristina: It's gotta be strange.

Jack: You think overall, like, men grow to be taller than that? Like, there's not, like a small civilization that if he went there, they would be like. Yes, a height of guys?

Cristina: No, no, I don't think so.

Jack: Also, I hear this one argument consistently.

Cristina: What?

Jack: In the past, humans were taller. And I also hear in the past humans are shorter.

Cristina: What? That's helpful.

Jack: Yeah. So I don't know who's. Right.

Cristina: Both is true and, like, average. Now, how.

Jack: Yeah, can you imagine how has this not. I guess your reasoning could check out, Right? If it goes up and down, then yeah, we'd most likely be in the one that's happened most often.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess. Right. So you want to know, though, if there's people who are normally just four.

Jack: Or left, what percentage of the population is what height after a certain age?

Cristina: Okay, so the shortest people in this thing is people from East Timor. Timmore. East Timor, which is in Southeast Asia.

Jack: How short are they?

Cristina: The men are five and two and a half inches, and the women are five feet. Then there's a bunch of countries that the men don't have heights, average heights, for some reason. No idea what's happening there, but. So that's the shortest of the ones we have in record.

Jack: Whoa.

Cristina: So then.

Jack: Yeah, I guess in a situation like that, if that's the average, then that means that there is averagely above and below that height as well.

Cristina: So they have the shortest man. But I guess shortest women would go somewhere else because I only did it for one. But five feet. Five and a half.

Jack: Five and a half. Five feet and a half inch.

Cristina: Five feet. Oh, no. Five feet and two and a half. That's what I meant.

Jack: Two and a half for males.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. So then again, like, the Danny DeVito could, in theory, walk into the civilization and they would just be like, yes, he's normal height.

Cristina: He's normal height.

Jack: Or he's, like, slightly short.

Cristina: He's still short.

Jack: He might still be short, but he's not crazy short. Just slightly short. Yeah, they probably have a lot of people that height. He's probably in the base height still for them.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then there's people taller and people shorter now, man. Can you imagine the shortest. The average shortest person? Me? It's the average tallest person. The visual must be crazy. But also, it couldn't be right because, like, at most average height, there's, like, people that are just seven feet tall.

Cristina: So it wouldn't be a seven feet tall person.

Jack: Yeah, no, it would still be like. I think the average would still be huge.

Cristina: Huge.

Jack: Like six, five.

Cristina: Okay. And then the average for short.

Jack: Well, the average for short is already 5, 2, 5, 2.

Cristina: The highest average average for dudes is 6ft and 1 inch.

Jack: That's so much lower than I thought it was.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So, like, look at that small.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess next to each other, they weren't. They wouldn't be that big of a difference.

Jack: No, the. The shortest average person next to the tallest average person is still like, yeah, you're looking up to see this person, but he's not a monster.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: I guess only exceptions stand out. Like the shortest person from the shortest civilization and the tallest. Exactly. Those situations is ridiculous. Or someone with legit dwarfism that's cutting into the slowest numbers and someone with literal gigantism that's scraping impossibly high numbers.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: These exceptions make everybody else look obscured.

Cristina: Yeah. But if you just Take the average normal. Whatever.

Jack: It's so close together, it doesn't even matter.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Right. Anyways, we are so close to catching Santa. Santa. Or trying to.

Cristina: Or.

Jack: Yeah, doing our best. Not everything.

Cristina: We just gotta wait a few hours.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Then he'll be here.

Jack: Almost at the crossing line.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Is that what it's called? Is it called the crossing line? What is the line you cross? I feel like it sounds right and people just say the crossing line. But like, is that the name of the line?

Cristina: Is it the crossing line? I don't know. The finish line.

Jack: The finish line.

Cristina: Saying it wrong.

Jack: I am saying it wrong. Yes. The finish line.

Cristina: Yeah. We're almost at the finish line.

Jack: Almost at the finish line. That will cross.

Cristina: We'll cross. We're about to cross the finish line.

Jack: Got it? Yes. Clarity. So. Yeah. Because today's the day. Well, it's gonna be the day. Today's gonna be for the day.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But whatever. Same thing. It's almost. It's a two day event. Previous day. Or I guess it's of like, as the night approach. No, you just get suited. Right.

Cristina: It's a wondering. Yeah. Are you doing something special? Are we like decorating the place to look Christmassy So he thinks like, this is a normal. No family he's visiting?

Jack: No, he has to deliver here. We already sent him your letter.

Cristina: We have Jesus already then.

Jack: Well, we went back in time and we put Jesus in the machine.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Jesus. He has to find Jesus.

Jack: Or not. Yeah, I guess it is a machine. The liquid machine. Let's call it cryostasis. Or being frozen. But no, it's liquid. Very cool.

Cristina: But we don't have Jesus.

Jack: No. He's in the past. Or I guess he's in the present.

Cristina: He's in the present.

Jack: He came to the future with us, but not with us.

Cristina: Yes. Not in this location.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah.

Cristina: He's in whatever cave that he died in.

Jack: He never died. We took him down.

Cristina: Whatever. We put him. We put him in the box in the cave that he was supposed to die in.

Jack: Yes. Preserving him. So Santa Claus should have already retrieved him.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, in theory, if, if. If Santa really does have some sort of time control ability that allows him to then do everything at night in this one moment. That's suddenly a little gift.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And I didn't think about this before. We wouldn't be able to catch Santa.

Cristina: I just realized that when you were saying what you were saying before, you said we wouldn't be able to catch it. I understood.

Jack: Yes. The build up is that the presence would just show up suddenly, literally in front of us. It was just into existence.

Cristina: Yeah, of course.

Jack: He saw himself walk up, put it there and walk away. Yeah, but that happened so instant.

Cristina: He's like the Flash. You don't just catch the Flash.

Jack: What? This plan had the biggest.

Cristina: Unless we can. Is there some type of thing that catches the Flash? Is there a Flash Kryptonite? I don't know.

Jack: But he's not super fast. Literally no. Or I mean, it could be, but it's time related.

Jack: He's controlling time. And look, in the time machine, we're fine. But if we turn off the time machine to get out.

Cristina: What if you. You write a list to him to tell him to deliver my gift very slowly. Would that work?

Jack: I doubt that would work because it's all gonna happen.

Cristina: It's already too late to send him a letter.

Jack: Yeah, it's happening tonight anyway. I mean, we have a time machine. It doesn't really matter.

Cristina: So then you can send him a letter.

Jack: Yeah, but that wouldn't change anything because we don't get the choose when he delivers. And how. We just ask for the thing. That's them rules, bro.

Cristina: But there's gotta be something we can tell him that would help us. Well, you can. He's already asked him for the Jesus. So now you have to come up with something that will slow him down. Tell him to eat all our cookies or something. And we'll just have a ridiculous amount of cookies.

Jack: Why would he listen to us?

Cristina: I don't know. That's your Christmas wish and he has to fulfill your wish.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. I see where you're going with this.

Cristina: So we should do something ridiculous like that.

Jack: But here's the problem. Here's the problem. And this is the issue with what we're dealing with. Right? He could eat those cookies super mega slow. He still has to get to all the houses that night. What to him is gonna look like a slowdown is still going to be so unfathomably quick to us.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We will not be able to see him. We look still to him even when he drops.

Cristina: We just had a speed bunch of trees and a bunch of gifts under those trees.

Jack: No, it would still look instant. Here's the image you got to think about, right? The Flash could circle the Earth in seconds.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Santa is going to go to each individual house on Earth by the end of the day.

Cristina: So how do we do it? There's gotta be a way. We have a few hours to figure this out.

Jack: It has to be A trap. Right, a trap. Magic. Magic surpasses dimensions and s***, Right? Magic is the way we. We can salmon dean it and, like, make a demon trap. But not for demons. Like, for Santa Claus.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we somehow catch him dampening his magic.

Cristina: Know how to use magic.

Jack: We don't. We gotta come out brainstorming here. We can figure things out.

Cristina: Okay, because we know cat people use magic, but we don't know how to use their magic. And also, their magic isn't really magic. It's their technology. And it just looks like magic.

Jack: It just looks like magic. I always forget that part. So we still don't even know if magic is real?

Cristina: Yeah, I mean, we do have creatures that have magic. Ah. Okay.

Jack: Whether abilities are. No.

Cristina: Well, no.

Jack: Magic has to be real if fairies are real.

Cristina: Could we use fairies somehow? There's nothing stronger than him. There's no way. We can't, like, ask a different God to do something. We can't ask, like, the cloud God.

Jack: No. Is Santa's from our side, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He's just a dude who figured things out.

Cristina: We think.

Jack: We think. Unless he's that thing from freaking Love.

Cristina: Death and robots, he could totally be. We don't know.

Jack: We don't know. But yeah. No, I don't think there's. This plan's gonna work. Unless we can trap him. We would need to strip him of his powers.

Cristina: How do we.

Jack: So then he falls back to normal speed.

Cristina: Well, we don't even know how his powers work.

Jack: Fear. Which is everywhere. And he's somehow tuned into it. Unless the reason he has to do everything in one day is because that's all that he has in reserve.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Like he's trying to conserve it for a reason. Otherwise, why wouldn't he just spread it out throughout more time? But he's also had this operation going for so long at the same rate that he could totally survive off that bit and have crazy amounts of it stored.

Cristina: Okay, if it was something that was running out, then the way we can solve this is by being like, one of the last places he visits. Because he'd be at his weakest.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: If that's how it works.

Jack: Well, actually. Interesting point. Interesting point. This is really good. We just have to find out where he's going last. But now the question is. Oh, no.

Cristina: There is a tracker specifically for Santa Claus.

Jack: But what happened to track where he is?

Cristina: Yeah, around the world. All the kids could see it.

Jack: Oh, that's cool.

Cristina: But I probably start. I don't know if it's too late or Whatever. Or too early. It's probably. I don't know, whatever. But what were you gonna say?

Jack: It doesn't matter if we're the last house. If he's still going so fast, our problem is slowing him down. The only way that it'll work would be with a trap.

Cristina: But you don't think going to the last place at least would help?

Jack: It would help us get to him. We can calculate who already has presence to some degree. But if his presence is going to be for one millionth of a microsecond, that's imperceptible to me. He's there for shorter than my brain processes frames.

Cristina: He travels 10 million kilometers an hour.

Jack: 10 million kilometers how? What's the speed of light? 307 million miles per hour.

Cristina: That sounds right. It's about 300 million meters per second.

Jack: Not kilometers.

Cristina: No. At least that's what Google's saying. Kilometers. Somewhere else says kilometers. It says about 300,000 kilometers per second somewhere else. I don't know. How do we compare Santa's speed to.

Jack: Well, how. What? How many kilometers are in a pointless. It's not even. Look, it's not even scratching it. It doesn't matter. It's useless math. Yeah, he's not even scratch the speed of light. Which, by the way, bravo to the freaking Flash, bro. Think about how. How much ground Santa Claus is covering instantaneously.

Cristina: Okay, but for miles per hour. If we translate what he's doing is 6 million miles per hour.

Jack: And the speed of light should be miles as well. I'm believing. Okay, here are the exact numbers. Or again, not exact. Not exact. Close. Rounded. Sake of time. Time moves at 186,000 miles per second. 186,000 miles. Santa Claus moves at 650 miles per second. He's not scratching the surface of light. No, not even. But he's moving so fast, everything is standing still.

Cristina: Yes, I read that he's faster than both the Flash and Superman. Don't know how.

Jack: I don't know how either, considering. Wait, could Flash outrun a light?

Cristina: I guess it's because Santa defies. What is it? Santa can warp space and time anyway.

Jack: Yeah, that's why I'm saying it's less about how quick he's. Actually, we're using that to calculate how much ground he's covering. But he's not actually a speedster. He's just stopping time or something.

Cristina: He is kind of like warm hole traveling.

Jack: That would still not give him enough time to hop in and out of the wormhole at every Single location on earth in a 24 hour period. There has to be a real factor of time fully coming to a halt or to a crawl in order for him to continue to do things. Even if he had all day and he spent one second at every house in real time, he wouldn't be able to. There's more houses than there are seconds.

Cristina: But somehow he's doing it because, like, he's traveling with a sleigh. He's not just popping in and out. He's.

Jack: I'm assuming that sleigh is this time machine.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay, so you can go crazy. It's a vessel of something. It's some. There's some use of that. And he has, what, eight, 12 magical other beings he takes with him?

Cristina: More magic.

Jack: More magic? Are they batteries?

Cristina: What?

Jack: Holy crap. That actually checks out. They can sustain, you know, they can float things when he's not around.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They're. They're thinking beings, and they can supply additional magic.

Cristina: Yes, but how do we stop him?

Jack: Crap. Is it actually magic?

Cristina: Yes. Do we stop? What if we jump into his sleigh? Does that help?

Jack: We'd have to steal his sleigh. But again, this assumes that the sleigh is there long enough for us to perceive it there at all. He parks, gets out casually, goes in, eats a cookie, sits down, lounges for a second, gets up, takes the gifts out of the bag, goes right back up the chimney, talks to the reindeer, gets on the sleigh, checks his phone, takes off casually.

Cristina: Is it possible to murder his reindeers?

Jack: We'd have to see them. The problem we are having entirely is that everything is gonna happen so instantly that right now it hasn't happened. And right now it just happened, and it made no difference to us.

Cristina: But there has to be a way to stop it from doing that. There has to be some type of trap.

Jack: Yes. A trap is the way I think we built a trap. He falls for the trap, has no abilities, man. 10's a hard one. This is really complicated. All things considered.

Cristina: I don't know how we're gonna do that. How do we take away his magic? I'm thinking of trap with, like, his reindeer. We get. We have zombies. The zombies can murder the reindeers, but I doubt the zombies could do anything.

Jack: Why wouldn't we want to keep the reindeer?

Cristina: Because I don't know. What if they just disappear? We're trying to stop Santa from leaving. He can't leave without his sleigh. We got the sleigh.

Jack: Maybe he can.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, yes. But if we have the sleigh. We can get to where he is. Probably with the slay technology.

Jack: Yes. Also, this is like a Wakanda situation, right?

Cristina: I mean, I guess we don't have to murder the reindeer. I just feel like it would be the easiest way to get rid of them from the. I mean, we just have to scare them away from the sleigh.

Jack: I don't think it would happen. They're magical beings. Overpowered ones.

Cristina: You don't think they're afraid of zombies?

Jack: I don't think zombies. They're ma. They're made of magic, most likely. I don't know. We had. We probably have to murder one. I still kind of want to answer the question if, like, magical beings are made of flesh.

Cristina: Okay, so we murdered just one. We gotta kill one of them, and that will scare the rest of them.

Jack: Well, we can kill something else. We can kill something even more pure magic, like a fairy.

Cristina: How are we gonna get a fairy? And how is this like Wakanda? You said Wakanda.

Jack: The North Pole, Santa's workshop and all that crap. That's the town, bro.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There's snowmen up there.

Cristina: I'm gonna get up there. But with the slave.

Jack: Did we resolve that at all? By the way, I know that there's snowmen up there and whatnot up there in the North Pole. They get made and they go on their quests for survival. Like baby turtles.

Cristina: Sure. What is the thing that needs to be resolved?

Jack: I don't know. I don't remember.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Oh, well. What were you saying?

Cristina: What are we gonna do with the sleigh? We're gonna get the sleigh somehow.

Jack: We need to get the sleigh. But we won't be able to just with Santa visiting. We. Man, he has to be on off. The only way to catch him is when he's not doing Santa stuff. When he's not going super crazy fast.

Cristina: Yeah. So we have to catch him at his home. That means we should get his sleigh to get to his.

Jack: How would we get to his home? And wherever his sleigh is, he's already at.

Cristina: That's why I think we make a bunch of homes with a bunch of trees. Just more. Just more.

Jack: It's not gonna be. We'll never make enough amount. We'll never make enough to catch him. We need to figure out the solution really is just finding out how to strip him of his abilities. Are we the bad guys? By the way, did Hitler sit around the table and they had this Conversation of how do we take them down for no reason. They don't even know we ex. How do we take them down? And they're like, but we're the good guys. Like, did they never really. Was that movie really questioning, like the reality of the matter in the movie? Yeah, the movie. What? They were making fun of it because they had the skull. And they're like, hey guys, are we the best? Are we the bad guys? And it's like, bro, is that how it happens? Like, is that how they did it? They didn't. Like, it never crossed their mind.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: And like we're over here like. Like we're gonna catch walking Santa Claus. People love this guy. He's his s***. He's so cool.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He just gives people stuff. He makes children happy.

Cristina: Well, we need him to save the world, so that makes us good again.

Jack: It's creator purpose.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Yeah. To save everybody from the future that.

Cristina: We know that is definitely coming for real, you know?

Jack: Well, maybe we don't actually know the result of my solutions.

Cristina: Yeah. So. But probably we should probably still just in case.

Jack: And also here's. Here's a question. Here's a question as we're getting to the end of this is every time we've time traveled, this feel real, real thing that's been bothering me for like two days now. Every time we've used that time machine, whoever got in, whoever went through, whoever went wherever they're going, when. When you come back, you didn't really come back.

Cristina: No. You're gone from that reality. You're just missing.

Jack: Yeah. You left.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Anytime you go back in time and then forward, you ruined it. You're somewhere else forever.

Cristina: Hopefully. You wrote a letter to your family saying you didn't die. You're just traveling. Actually. They probably think you lost your mind, I guess.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And killed yourself. And that's why you're missing. Who's gonna believe you actually traveled?

Jack: You actually. Time. That's sick though. Can you imagine that'd be dope to like leave a letter be like, hey, I am totally. I'm gonna go on a trip. Time travel, go into the future. You can see me again in many years. It's gonna be real cool. And then you run away and like leave all your. And you go move to another country or some. And you just focus on looking really young for the next, like 15 years. Really absurdly young. You try. You take photos regularly and you fix any and every problem that you see and go to the come back 15 years later. And you look the same. There's no way they think you killed yourself. You just showed up and you're like, hey, guys, I've been on some crazy adventures through time.

Cristina: Nah, it's crazy. Who would do that? That's awful.

Jack: It's an extremely elaborate why, because you.

Cristina: Made your family believe you're dead?

Jack: No, he never said anything about that. Their negativity took them there.

Cristina: Okay. Then they thought he was crazy.

Jack: Yeah, they thought he was crazy and killed himself.

Cristina: So I don't know. That sounds crazy. I don't know. That's.

Jack: That's on them.

Cristina: Insane.

Jack: You straight up told them in all.

Cristina: 10 years he's gone 15 years.

Jack: 15 years.

Cristina: Nah.

Jack: Yeah, man.

Cristina: Someone do that. That should be for our audience fair.

Jack: But then that's crazy because in X many years, man, we're screwed. Right? So we need to find a. We need to find a trap. A. Some. Some magic thing. A One of the houses. Just one of the houses needs to have or runes of some sort, right? So he needs to come in contact with things. Cold. He's gonna throw coal in places. Does he have to move things around? Does he. What is his routine so that we can like in the middle of his routine, interrupt it with something? He has to come in contact with the cookies. The cookies. And it's too obvious. It's too obviously the way to go. He's probably. How many people tried to kill Santa? Who knows? Maybe all. Every year.

Cristina: There's milk in the mad.

Jack: People putting drugs, trying to get Santa high. People leaving weed cookies out, people lacing cookies with other things. You look crack on top. People putting things in the milk. Drowning the milk in the weirdest things. LSD just squirted into the milk. Rat poison in the milk. People just trying to get at Santa.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He avoids that. There's nothing you could do to get him to drink that milk.

Cristina: He does and it doesn't affect him. That'd be badass possibility.

Jack: But yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure biological poisons wouldn't work because his magic should be stronger than his humanity.

Cristina: So what's the plan?

Jack: He's gonna come in contact with something that's a fact. He's gonna come down the chimney. That's a great target, but again, an obvious one.

Cristina: What's not on the obvious one? They're all obvious ones.

Jack: Creating a situation in which he would have to come in contact with something.

Cristina: That he wouldn't normally.

Jack: That he wouldn't normally. I know what it could be.

Cristina: What?

Jack: We'll put trackable Nanites, nanobots, you know, tiny little bots, and we can track their location. All we're going to do is put them on the surface of things in one household that he has to visit everywhere.

Cristina: Why didn't we put it on Jesus?

Jack: Because he's going to leave Jesus with you.

Cristina: But if they're nanobytes, they can't go from Jesus to him. We put it on the box. They're just hanging out on the box, spread out everywhere. Yes. Fair enough.

Jack: That just means easy trip backwards.

Cristina: Okay. I think we got to go back to the past.

Jack: Yeah, yeah.

Cristina: And take these nanobites.

Jack: Nanobots.

Cristina: Nanobots. And put down Jesus.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Not him, but the container.

Jack: The container.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. I mean, time traveling is fast, so it's not like we're wasting a bunch of time.

Jack: No, it'll be so instant for us, and we'll come to the now. So that's an easy fix. It'll be like we were gone for a split second. And the question is, will they last the next 2000 years or the previous 2000 years?

Cristina: Okay, let's go to the future and find nanobytes, bots that won't die. Like, they'll just survive anything.

Jack: Then go back into. Put them on Jesus container. Then Santa Claus is gonna grab them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then put them.

Cristina: They're gonna be on him.

Jack: They can be on him. Their goal was always Santa. Yes. And they can be on him.

Cristina: And then we'll know his location. We'll know exactly where his workshop is at the end of tonight or tomorrow, I guess, when he goes back home.

Jack: Isn't today. Is that the. Wait, today he's showing up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Right. So it's.

Cristina: Wait till he gets back home, though, when he's done all the Christmas.

Jack: Yes. And then we can follow him.

Cristina: Yes, Yes.

Jack: I guess you're right. That would be the end of tomorrow. Unless. No. Oh, my God. He's moving faster than we thought. No, he's way. He's way faster. He's way faster. Oh, my God, he's too fast. We've been thinking about this wrong, because Christmas Day, the presents are there. The presents aren't arriving throughout the day throughout the world. No, they're there instantly.

Cristina: Not everywhere instantly. So, like, when it turns 12 at each location, type thing, you know?

Jack: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Like how New Year's doesn't happen to every place at the same time. Christmas is the same. So some people are getting their presents first.

Jack: Yeah, okay, fair enough, fair enough, fair enough. Yeah, you're totally right. I was thinking he was just hitting everywhere in like a split second and.

Cristina: It'S like, pretty fast.

Jack: Pretty fast.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But literally a day worth. He literally has 24 hours to do it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: He's just following the time zones essential.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah, that helps.

Jack: He's smart. That's smart.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Man, he's solid, dude. All his plans.

Cristina: But now we have a sick plan.

Jack: We do. We do. You see, this is always a way. There's always a way. This is an easy one, too. That solution is great. Probably use that one in the future again.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You could use that on everything.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: Just optimize catching s***, man.

Cristina: I feel like we should have probably used this before. There's probably situations. We needed this and so many things.

Jack: But now we. Now we got. Look, let's not look back and be sad. Let's look forward and be happy. We have it now. Anyways, I'm excited for tonight.

Cristina: Ho, ho, ho.

Jack: Santa does it for the hoes.

Cristina: Oh, yes.

Jack: But I'm excited. We're gonna catch him. This is definite. Definite. Well, I don't know if we're gonna catch him. We're gonna know where he is.

Cristina: Yes, that's the plan. We don't. We're not catching him.

Jack: Then we can just go over there and talk to him. He shouldn't just be existing in super speed otherwise. Like, how many years has he lived from his point of view?

Cristina: He's a God.

Jack: He is a guy that could be infinite.

Cristina: Yep. We'll find out.

Jack: We will find out. We could go face to face with this man. Anyways. Anyways. Anyways. You guys can follow us on social media platforms all over the world, but the main ones are Instagram, Twitter and TikTok at just combo pod.

Cristina: And remember to subscribe and review the show.

Jack: Yeah. Leave us reviews. Leave us messages as well. Leave us stars and rates and.

Cristina: Emojis.

Jack: Emojis. And send us millions of dollars in money.

Cristina: And money. That's the only way I let people who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yeah. People who are curious as to how we're gonna catch Santa. We crack the code. We've accomplished it. We figured it out. We have a plan now.

Cristina: We have a plan.

Jack: We have a plan.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast Take Magnificent ethics for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: What?

Jack: No. No f****** way. You're making money just to get to work. Holy s***.

Cristina: That is sad.

Jack: That's pathetic. But that's such a high number of people think that this is a. A reasonable, sustainable way to live life. And it's like, what life are you living, dude?

Cristina: I don't know. You can do whatever, but the TV or I guess the phone screen is.

Jack: And it's like, oh, I'm tired. No, you got a lack of motivation. There's a difference. The fact that you can watch TV for however long, you're not tired. You'd go to sleep if you were tired.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The lack of motivation is what has you. You're stressed because you f****** suck it up. Have some discipline.

Cristina: Yes. Do something else.

Jack: Yeah. People are undisciplined. There's a bunch of f****** entitlement. I deserve this. It's like, well, did you try to get it? Are you hoping somebody brings it to you?

Cristina: Like what? Like, they think they should know how to draw when they pick up a pencil or something.

Jack: Yeah, I guess. Yeah. That's an example of just, like, they want success, so I shouldn't have this light? Well, f****** work to get out of there then. The f***?

Cristina: Yeah. Practice.

Jack: Yeah. Do something productive to exit your situation, but just f****** waking up every day and doing the same g****** routine. How the f***?

Cristina: Mm. Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

November 05, 2022

Rambling 199: Historically Bad Heroes

November 05, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who are the Heroes of today’s society? Why have we picked these specific individuals? Are they the saints we paint them out to be? The duo unpacks the corrupt nature of some of the world’s most adored heroes in an episode that has #cancelled written all over it. Worst of all, what good came from our scariest monsters from history? The revelations made are more than most sensitive individuals can handle!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

MLK Gay Sex Parties
Oskar Schindler Death Camps
Nelson Mandela’s 19 Murder Victims
Gandhi’s Child Molestation and Racism
Abraham Lincoln’s Negro Death Camps
Christopher Columbus resulted in the U.S.A.
Hitler’s Actions Result in Fantastic Scientific Advancements
Why Older Men are Pedophilic in Nature

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas.

Cristina: Some baffling ideas.

Jack: Yeah. First of all, this is my, like, nerdy voice. When I come with information ready, I gotta sound like this always. I don't know why nerds on TV always have this kind of voice going. Like, it can't be a real sharp, cool nerd. It always has to be like a scrawny whack nerd.

Cristina: It sounds like he. His nose is very stuffy.

Jack: Always has to be. It's part of being super smart. When you're super smart, your nose clogs up. Your brain matter is so like less than.

Cristina: Unpack this real quick.

Jack: Let's unpack. Let's unpack it. It's always the same person who's highly intelligent, right? So something about high intelligence clogs your nose.

Cristina: Presumably you're also blind. You're always wearing glasses.

Jack: You're always wearing glasses. So it's like your brain is essentially feeding on the rest of your body.

Cristina: That's why it's so weak and fragile.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the idea behind, like the grays. Right? Like that they're really scrawny and like skinny, but got huge heads.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And like their eyes, I don't know why they're f****** so huge. But you get the point. So in theory, there must be some connection between the blindness, the scrawniness and the voice being whack and totally being super nasally. So first, first of all, somehow your brain having a lot of information means testosterone shut down. You don't get man degrees of testosterone. Actually, even when you're a female, you get less estrogen than normal too. So you're just like in some ambiguous.

Cristina: Kind of like you're more of a.

Jack: Bro, you gender, like neutral. You're nowhere.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: You're nowhere. It ain't even fluidity. You're not here nor there. You're just kind of some middle ground s***. Then your brain is also, for whatever reason, I guess the eyes are just the closest next thing. And it's like just eating the f****** resources your eyes would be using.

Cristina: Because she's also wearing glasses.

Jack: Yeah. You're thinking Volma from Scooby Doo right off the bat. You said she and I pictured exactly who you're thinking. Yeah, right.

Cristina: Well, She's a good example.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. And like Dexter, like, extra tiny. Everybody. Everybody who's like the smart guy in the team is always the nerd with the glasses.

Cristina: His rival. Dexter's rival. What's his name? Mandar Mandork.

Jack: Well, it's Man Dark, but they used to call him Man Dork.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Well, he's exact version of the geek.

Jack: Yeah, he's like, super skinny because, like, Dexter's potentially fat. We don't know. He's a baby. Technically. He's like six months old. He's super young.

Cristina: He's a huge baby.

Jack: No, he's not. He's like, probably abnormally small for a baby.

Cristina: Oh, he's not a fat baby.

Jack: He might be, but he's a baby. What baby isn't fat?

Cristina: Oh, okay. I don't know what baby's walking around.

Jack: Yeah, he. Well, super intellect.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: I don't know how that means he's got, like, the body strength to do anything, but whatever, you know?

Cristina: Does that make him a strong baby?

Jack: You guess. But also, his legs are so short. They're not really, like. They're not really supporting much, you know?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If they were longer legs, he'd be like. Well, they'd be wobbly, but it's like he only has these weird stumps he wants.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's like, whatever, dude. His arms are also like, short little stompy things. The weird person. But then, so the eyes. You know, blindness is just inherent when you're intelligent. And no testosterone means a weak voice, but no estrogen means a high voice. And you got both going on. So you got some neutral, centered thing going on. And your brain is just eating all your body resources. So you're just really skinny and dying.

Cristina: Always.

Jack: Always. Except Bulma, actually. She's like the hot, busty, curvy, like, super exception nerd. She doesn't fit the box. You know, she doesn't fit the mold. No, I guess she's some other s***.

Cristina: Even when she's working in the lab, she put on glasses there probably.

Jack: She literally can't see without her glasses. That's like her thing. Her thing is how blind she.

Cristina: Bulma. And I was thinking about the Dragon Ball Z lady. What's her name?

Jack: Oh, s***. She's all. That's Bulma. Yeah, she's also like a nerd, but she's another exception.

Cristina: Okay, because that's what I thought you started talking about.

Jack: No, I'm talking Scooby Doo. Like, she's like a mini skirt wearing knee high socks. Like Actually, this disturbingly old guy schoolgirl fantasy is foma.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: I don't know what's up with f****** old dudes? I think school girls, bro, they clearly just want to molest the school girl. Yeah, like a lot of people clearly just want to molest a schoolgirl.

Cristina: Disturbing.

Jack: Disturbing, bro. They're just like, wow, this is hot school. And look at how big is it. How. How big in the world is the whole schoolgirl cosplay thing? I'm gonna be the teacher and you're the naughty student and I got the ruler and whoops, I gotta pull your skirt up and spank you with my. Because you've been a bad girl and I'm the teacher and that's what I do. It's like, bro, so you're telling me your fantasy is f*** a kid? Is that like.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Am I getting this right? The fantasy is f*** a kid in a classroom when nobody's seeing, but you can in theory get caught, but you don't because you're a clever enough teacher to f*** the kid and get away.

Cristina: I guess. But in the fantasy, does this kid also want it? I don't.

Jack: I think so. I think the fantasy is not rape.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: The fantasy is I want to f*** a kid that wants to f*** me back in class in order to not get punished. So you know what? Maybe there is some. For some vague. Me too, is kind of rape going on because it's like a power rape as opposed to a violent rape. It's the whole, you're going to do it because you don't know. You feel in a jam. You don't know what else to do.

Cristina: Going to get bad grades if you don't.

Jack: Yeah. And then my parents are going to beat the s*** out of me and I'm more scared of that. So I'm going to let this other human enter my body. As opposed to taking the pain of being hit, I'm going to take the pain of this other human entering my body. Thus fantasy. Because, guys. Yay. Yeah. Well, look, humans are disturbing in general, I guess.

Cristina: Yes. There's people that just do disturbing things in general.

Jack: Look, it's usually the people who are like kindness, right? Like there's no pure evil out there. I don't believe in that. I think it's all the good people who are truly like, your next door neighbor just wants to f*** a kid. That's just all it. He doesn't. He doesn't.

Cristina: Or a dog.

Jack: Or dog. He was f****** dog. He just. Look, it's fine, dude. He didn't know. They don't do it. They don't do it. They want to do it. They really want to do it. There's nothing they want to do more. But they're not gonna do it. Because you're like, I'm not gonna go to prison forever either. I like, yes, this is what I want to do most, but I don't want to do that more than I do want to do this. So it is what it is.

Cristina: And online there's so many stories that are as disturbing. I don't know if it's real. The stories that are online that are like, are people really doing these things? Like, dog thing. Is this real?

Jack: All of it. All of it. You gotta understand that everybody's weird and Scott s***, like closets are filled with things.

Cristina: Okay? Cuz there was a story though that a guy was like eating his poop for fun. And then I guess he dies. That's the end of the story.

Jack: That story checks out. That sounds like, I think that story is real because he didn't like get superpowers or get stronger or survive. He just died.

Cristina: Yeah, it feels right, but it was like, you know, it took a while. He didn't die immediately. I think it probably a week or two of eating his puppy.

Jack: Not long enough to say he was doing it for fun. He was just kind of experimenting the scene.

Cristina: No, he was describing it as like, it was for fun. He was enjoying it. He loved it. He was describing how amazing it felt in his mouth.

Jack: His own poop. I mean, it is what it is, man. Some people, people like weird s***.

Cristina: You think that's a real thing though?

Jack: Yes, look, everybody, without exception, even you, even me, everybody has something really weird. Really weird.

Jack: It's like, okay, look, there's literally a letter out there. There's a letter out there by a priest, a black African American priest. And he wrote this letter saying, I am tired. I am so tired of everybody around me looking at Dr. Martin Luther King like he's a f****** hero. And then I to hang out with this guy and I just end up at some weird sex orgy with him. That's not how a priest is supposed to behave. That is a real letter that this got two letters actually this guy sent complaining about Dr. Martin Luther King. He keeps having sex orgies and he's like, when people don't want to participate, he talks about how we're going to teach him to be better. It's like, whoa, okay. So like the biggest he. And no, the craziest part is he's.

Cristina: Pressuring people to have guys.

Jack: It's a gay sex orgy. He takes part in gay sex orgies. There's two letters directly saying, Dr. Dr. Martin Luther King continues to participate in gay sex orgies. And that's not priest, like. And I. I don't want.

Cristina: I'm pressuring these people.

Jack: Well, no, no, not everybody. A bunch of people are just into it, okay? And first of all, sketchy letter, bro. Why are you there?

Cristina: Yeah. Second, did he pressure him or was he.

Jack: I mean, he could have been pressured.

Cristina: But that's not even.

Jack: That's not even the point. The point is that he's there having f****** gay sex with a bunch of dudes. And, like, he's enjoying it. And, like, he then goes out and he's like, that's wrong. Because God said.

Cristina: I don't know. Was he saying that? I mean, he probably was saying he's a Christian priest.

Jack: He was definitely above all saying that. Yes, but that's my point. Everybody.

Cristina: Everybody expected from a Christian priest that he would.

Jack: It checks out. Funniest thing is how the black community is so opposed to anything homosexual, but their worship of Dr. Martin Luther King in the first place is like. So you worship arguably the gayest figure you've ever considered in your mind, except you don't really know the gayest figure in your mind because he kept that part secret. But that's how often you might just be like, how many of the rappers you just find awesome or just total facades. And the second they walk off stage and you're like, yeah, I want to be like that guy. He just sticks the fattest d*** in his f****** mouth.

Cristina: I hope it's Drake. No.

Jack: Anybody? Bro? Point being, the. The community is like, no, that's wrong. And it's like your hero, the guy who fought for your rights, the guy you defend the hardest, was sucking so much d***, bro. Oh, and his a** was so filled.

Cristina: How dare he.

Jack: He was so stuffed. He was like a turkey person that's.

Cristina: Complaining about it, like, describing what was.

Jack: No, no, okay. He's more complaining of, like, I'm tired really respecting this guy. And like, this is what a. This is what a priest should behave like. Not partaking in gay sex orgies, but for whatever reason, he continues to do that. And all of you still worship the ground he walks on. But my only question is, how do you know, bro? Why are you there? You're also at gay sex orgies. You might not be having gay sex, but you're kind of sus.

Cristina: Because you're Close enough to him, like, know his secret like that.

Jack: Not even close enough to him. You're just wherever the f*** he's hanging out. You don't. You don't need to be close to him. Let's just assume you're at a priest hangout where casually it just turns into gay sex orgies.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: And it's like, well, you're kind of there, bro.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, let's say walk away and you have no stories. Unless. Unless Dr. Martin Luther King is always the initiator too. He's like, hey, guys, it's gay sex orgy time. Then you're like, imma go. But you already know, and you're only completely. Maybe in the letter it was specifically just complaining about Dr. Martin Luther King. But it's also like, that guy is so famous. Who else would you talk about?

Cristina: Exactly. Yes. It was just hate.

Jack: Because it was hate. It's like, stop sucking d*** because you're. You're too famous. And a priest.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And I got a hand priest.

Cristina: Do their thing.

Jack: He could. Bob over there. Nobody knows who Bob is. You see how deep that d*** is inside Bob? That's fine because nobody knows who Bob is. Yeah, but you see how deep that d*** is inside you. People gonna be looking at your a****** to see if you've had d*** deep in there. So, like, don't. Don't have d*** deep in there because people gonna be looking at your a******, and then we're all gonna look bad.

Cristina: Ye. What the letters were.

Jack: It could totally be. It could totally be. Look, it's not my place to tell the black community that they worship a gay black guy, but they do, and it just is what it is. But those are just secrets. Everybody's got that thing going on probably nowhere near that degree.

Cristina: That's pretty.

Jack: That's pretty up there. But it's. That's my point. That it's just like everybody does. Everybody's got a weird, twisted fantasy. Yeah. Some people want to f*** their dogs. Yeah. Like a good giant portion of guys just want to go f*** a minor. And like, some black guys just want to suck d***. And usually it's the more famous ones that hide it well. And the communities worship the ground they walk on and then hate all the gays when in reality, you're worshiping the gayest of them all.

Cristina: How well was that secret, though? It's a party. So there's a more than one person.

Jack: Yeah, no, it wasn't that well of a secret. It's just. There's a lot of denial in the Black community too. It's kind of like that line from Biggie singing, she's so hot, I'll suck her daddy's d*** or some s***. It's like, like, whoa, you're the rapper. They worship. And then. Look, let's just like go off on a, on a racially charged tangent right now. They worship Dr. Martin Luther King, who does gay sex parties. Their favorite rapper is a guy who says he'll suck some dude's d***. And then they call all the women b****** and all the guys are men. Men. Like, come on. Just. There's a lot of gay happening there. Like a lot of gay happening and a lot of denial happening surrounding that gay. Where it's like, no, that's some gay s***. I'm not gonna f***. And like, why are you so worried about what some other guy is f******? Huh? That's kind of gay.

Cristina: That's kind of gay.

Jack: It's kind of gay. You're worrying about what some guys f******. That's kind of gay.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Who cares if he's f****** another guy? Why do you specifically care? Do you want to be the guy he's f******, maybe? Or like, well, he's not f****** a chick. Yeah, but why do you care? You see how weird it gets when you just ask a couple of questions?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now, spinning back off of that tangent. I'm so posh. Spitting off of that tan.

Cristina: Tangent, tangent. Someone saying it like that immense.

Jack: I. No, you know, somebody's singing like that because I, I just did. That means somebody out there says it like that normally because like, my mouth made the sound and there's too many variants out there. Somebody says, tangent, tangent, tangent.

Cristina: That's awful.

Jack: Gonna go off on a tangent. Sounds right. Go off on a tangent. Anyways, point being, there's a lot of hidden stuff out there. A lot of dark out there. But one of the biggest things is kind of people like Martin Luther King. Think about, like Epstein, super famous child molester, but like also just a famous guy. Bill Cosby, he was, he was famous for like, I don't know, just hanging out with rich people. Bill Cosby, absurdly famous comedian. People in the background, but super worshiped comedian. Like, he was great until he wasn't.

Cristina: Until we found out he was a raper.

Jack: A raper rapist. And this brings me to the conclusion that all the heroes of the world are this kind of problem. And they all got, like, weird closeted things going on.

Cristina: Every hero, everybody.

Jack: Like, look, let's go to like one of the, the great peacemakers of all Time Gandhi, great, fantastic peacemaker. Absolutely known for doing some of the one food wise aiming towards protecting animals and taking care of your body by avoiding. He was like beyond vegan. He was just eating like fruits that didn't have seeds and nuts and crap like that. You know, just way specific things. And he, he managed to. He proposed many peace treaties and accomplished many of them. He was just great, fantastic hero. Like Dr. Martin Luther King. The guy who f**** guys. That's what I just know him for from now on.

Cristina: Is he f****** guys?

Jack: Well, no. He was f****** minors. No, because he would get. Well how old is this man? 70. And he would get naked little girls to sleep on his bed to test his restraint.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Now this doesn't mean he's actually f****** the kids. This just tells factually he wants to f*** this kid. They're all girls. He's at least not gay like Dr. Martin Luther King. But he's definitely a pedophile.

Cristina: What is wrong with these parents?

Jack: But he's like I'm going to have this little girl. Well he's Gandhi. You're definitely gonna feed your children to Gandhi. If anybody's gonna moles this my kid, it better be Gandhi or Jackson.

Cristina: Yeah, you know it's one of these people situation.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Hey, that's what he was doing. He's just testing his strength.

Jack: He was. Yeah, fair enough. Michael Jackson is just like I want to these kids but I'm not going to. And like proof he did in the case of Gandhi. He gets these people, they're in the bed and the. The goal is.

Cristina: Are they naked?

Jack: Yes, you're naked. The goal is. I'm not gonna them.

Cristina: Is he naked?

Jack: Unclear. Okay, he's not f****** the children. He might be. Who knows. You know how Indian clothes is. It's like mainly loose garbage you could just throw off. It's real easy to just done because like drapes and. Well in that times like drapes and s*** anyways point being naked little girls on your bed at night because self control. But what are you self controlling? The urge to f*** the little girl. That's all that he's controlling.

Cristina: Yeah. No one thought like there should be an age limit to who we sent to him or something like no one.

Jack: Nope. But that's not even like. Yes. That's actually the worst thing he did. It was pretty bad. Other things like his blatantly open and quite vocal support of white supremacy. He really believed white people were just better and like yeah, got me like let's be real. They run everything and they're like the vast minority. So like the argument is kind of strong in their favor if we were to pick one. Although my argument still stands that it's probably Mexicans because they can get way more done in the last time. And it's like if they really wanted to go into action, what white guy is gonna really win? Nah, bro, they're just gonna get over populate you overnight if they felt like it.

Cristina: The Mexican.

Jack: Yeah, the Mexican.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's like that's the ultimate race. But they're like quiet about, they don't care. They just give them a beer or something, they'll be happy. But it's Mexicans on top, then white people, then Indians, I guess, and then black people at the bottom. And there's a bunch of races missing. But like, I'm only talking very strange tier list. Yeah, it's a strange tier list. Gandhi really just thought white people than Indians and blacks. He just thought his real thoughts vocally and like in paper and letters and stu are just give us more rights than the black people to prove we're better. And then you're running things. Pretty sweet. Keep it how it's going. That's the summary. Just do what you're doing. You get you white people. You got it. Just look, don't treat us like black people. That's all I ask. Make us better and keep doing what you're doing.

Cristina: Does he wants at least to be equal to the white people or he's like, nah, we don't have to be equal to you. At least let us be better than them.

Jack: He specifically wanted to be equal to white people. He, he, not the Indians. He. He's not like, my people are equal to white people. No, no, no, no. I'm equal to white people. My people can suck it.

Cristina: Okay? But he wants his people to be.

Jack: Better than black, better off than blacks. Yes, because he was racist.

Cristina: Okay. But he's like, they're not better than you guys.

Jack: Yeah, now my people could never.

Cristina: But they're not.

Jack: No, no, no, I'm not better. I'm equal.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: I don't think he could fathom better. What would he do better than a white person, malnourished, 70 year old guy like, bro, you're not getting far. You're just gonna die one day. And then he did.

Cristina: He did.

Jack: And then the last laugh was on all of us.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because he didn't like, he's dead.

Cristina: Oh, he slept with so many little girls.

Jack: We don't know that because the idea was restraint.

Cristina: Well, I Didn't say he had sex.

Jack: Literally said, I don't know. You literally being slapped.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Fair enough. Fair enough. That checks out. Yeah. That's how often stuff like that happens. All the heroes. All heroes think of. Think of this really obvious one that nobody ever gives thought to. And it kind of throws me off that nobody thinks about it. And it's like, Oskar Schindler. Yes. He's well known for having a camp in which he allowed the Jews to practice their religion and live normal lives during World War II. Now, let's take a couple of steps back in that story. This is. Start rewinding. And eventually we get into, like, a breaking point. Before he started being nice to them, but he still had a camp. And you just. Okay, you hit the point. Just keep rewinding little by little. See how that. What does that part of the film that we don't really get look like? What is that part of the book.

Cristina: That we don't get? Just like everyone else.

Jack: He had to be, because you were just getting orders like everybody else. And then you come in and you do what you're doing, and then they convince you, and you're like, ah, they're people too. How many did he kill, though?

Cristina: They don't have any history on that. I mean, they probably do.

Jack: I wasn't on the card. Oh, but that's interesting, right?

Cristina: That is interesting. Probably did kill some.

Jack: He definitely did. He definitely got many Jews killed.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we're like, yeah. You know, we forget s***. We forget s***. Humans don't give a f***.

Cristina: But he changed. He became a hero.

Jack: Yeah, I guess. Totally killed people in a furnace, probably. Or did you run a factory? Some s*** like that? I'm not really even sure. Interesting enough. Way worse than that. What's worse is the blatant outward approach, not even trying to hide it. Nelson Mandela was responsible for a car bombing that took out 19 people for a fact.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: It is how he was handling his business and he got a car to go do bombing.

Cristina: Whoa. Whaat.

Jack: Yeah. The hero, Nelson Mandela, is responsible for bare minimum 19 murders over a specific one case. But there are many because Nelson Mandela, criminal, then president.

Jack: However many years in jail.

Cristina: He was in jail for that, though.

Jack: Yeah. He was sending orders out like a good kingpin.

Cristina: Oh, whoa, whoa. What? So, what, he's just killing people off?

Jack: Oh, yeah.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: That's weird.

Cristina: That is so weird. Yeah.

Jack: It's the kind of thing that you don't really think about, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, it doesn't cross anyone's mind. Another interesting one was Abraham Lincoln.

Cristina: What about him?

Jack: He owned slaves. No, it's bullshit. He was avidly against that, but he was totally against cleansing of black people.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: You know, the trash isn't like offensive enough to throw them into. Just bury them, that's fine.

Cristina: I don't understand.

Jack: Kill the black people.

Cristina: He wanted to kill the black people.

Jack: He wanted to get rid of all the black people so they wouldn't be anywhere near them. Now he also didn't want slaves. He kind of people think the freeing of slaves was because he himself was a good guy. But that's not true. That's never been true. His freeing of the slaves was because it was convenient. He specifically said if keeping the slaves would keep the union together, gladly, I'd do it. He didn't give a f*** about the slaves.

Cristina: But he wanted them dead.

Jack: Yes, he yawned paper many times. And it's presumed that throughout the entire course of his presidency he was trying to convince people to agree to that. But bipartisan reasoning helped avoid that.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because I know he was against black people. He wanted nothing to do with them. Have them gone or. Or gone or gone.

Cristina: What?

Jack: But whichever one you get to first, it is what it is.

Cristina: That is. That's crazy. You want them dead.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: It's hard to choose which one of these are more disturbing.

Jack: Yeah, they're quite baffling, right? Yeah, kind of a problem, but that's the reality of the matter. Closets with skeletons. Many skeletons.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Many closets.

Cristina: Having those little girls. Oh my gosh, that's just.

Jack: That's disturbing from Gandhi. Yeah, man. But on the flip side, on the flip side, humans face a level of ignorance where they kind of pick a team, stick to the team, regardless of what the case is, instead of really thinking further ahead. Right. We have medicines that are quite overpowered. We have grade A medicines in the world. We can stop a lot of problems. Greedy. We can solve a lot of problems if we had a better distribution.

Cristina: Yeah. What's stopping us?

Jack: We suck.

Cristina: Just agree.

Jack: Obviously we suck. This is the clearest answer. Is capitalism is stopping us.

Cristina: Is it capitalism?

Jack: Maybe, I don't know, something stopping us. But the point is that there are things we could solve. There are problems that shouldn't be problems in the world that are problems at this moment. And like, that's our fault. And like, that goes back to the whole closets thing. Right? We got horrible things. Many, many people we consider heroes do horrible things. But. But in return, there must also be horrible people who are responsible for amazing things like that mobster. I forget his name. The one who's responsible for the tracking label on all products so that you know how long it takes before it disappears.

Cristina: Oh, wasn't it like a mobster or something?

Jack: He's Al Capone, I think. And he got people to go ahead and do that, and it became the norm because people can stop getting sick and you can protect your neighborhood, which is essentially the place point, you know?

Cristina: Yeah, I guess he's not that big of a monster. I mean, he was probably still killing people or getting people killed is the thing, right?

Jack: Yeah, but think of the super mega badass, right? Christopher Columbus. He kidnapped, raped, he bred and killed black women and Native Americans.

Cristina: Whoa. That's your average white guy back then.

Jack: Average white guy also. 100%. All of the United States wouldn't exist without him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oof. Like, yeah, give the man his respect. He did horrible s***, but you're here because of it. You know, that's a crazy point of view. People don't like. Oh, no. But no, it wouldn't have happened again. Somebody different, and it would have played out differently.

Cristina: Yes. And a lot of Native Americans are dead, thanks to the church.

Jack: Yeah. To Christianity. God hates Native Americans, apparently.

Cristina: I guess so.

Jack: And, like, that's the reality of matter. Right. So we have this man who. Polar opposite to all those heroes that just had dark s*** that people, on average, would ignore. For the person here, we have a series of bad things, of good things that are ignored because a person is bad.

Cristina: Well, they weren't. I mean, now they are shown. But, like, for a long time, we were all, like, ignoring all that bad stuff. He was just a hero, like all these other examples you gave.

Jack: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. We're ignoring all the bad stuff.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: All his bad is ignored the way. Well, all of the above is ignored. Yes, the way. You know, because the. He's. I guess, yeah, he's considered a good guy, but he's like.

Cristina: More recently, he looks like a bad guy, but.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: It wasn't that long ago where he was the good guy.

Jack: Well, on the flip side, that's exactly what happens with Hitler.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Well, he might be responsible for World War II, but all the things World War II is responsible for.

Cristina: Whoa, what do you mean?

Jack: There's many things that World War II is responsible for. Innovations, technology, during.

Cristina: Oh, you're saying good things.

Jack: Yeah. And like. Yeah, it is what it is. He did things that led to better things. And, like, no one's gonna thank him.

Cristina: For that.

Jack: Nobody's gonna thank him for the work he put to change the world. I mean, think of it. The Jeep is a World War II invention.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, that's an off road masterpiece.

Cristina: I guess. But that's not like. I mean, is there something better than that?

Jack: Better than a Jeep? Probably not.

Cristina: Probably not. That came from the World War II.

Jack: Oh, yeah. There's a billion trillion things that came from there. Pick out of a hat, whichever one you feel more comfortable with. Default. That's a better one.

Cristina: But you have other examples. I mean.

Jack: Yeah, like jet engine.

Cristina: That's pretty cool.

Jack: Yeah. It sounds absorbently complicated.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah. And other things include like the microwave oven. That's also a World War II thing.

Cristina: Okay. But like they, we. They wouldn't have come up with those things like during that time without the war.

Jack: Doubt it. They waited until the very time that they were working under Hitler to do it. That doesn't check out.

Cristina: But they weren't already working on it. And it just so happens to be done by that time or something.

Jack: It could totally be. But also we know factually that Germany was really good about scooping up global different scientists to be able to accomplish a bunch of things, which makes it a bit unrealistic.

Cristina: And these things are all German things, though.

Jack: What do you mean all German things? Oh, yeah, I guess so. Like the electronic computer is also duct tape or the big one, which is penicillin.

Cristina: They said duct tape?

Jack: Yeah, that's just some of the things. There's like a million other things.

Cristina: Oh, but that all those things came from that country at that time. Or just we're just naming a bunch of things that happened during that time.

Jack: We're talking about things that happen in that country.

Cristina: Oh, okay. That's a lot of crap.

Jack: Yeah. The problem is they took the smartest Jews, not Jews, the smartest Nazis, put them together, and came up with this thing. Schrodinger's cat is the same idea. I believe it's also just a German experiment, but that's much more annoying to move around.

Cristina: What? Huh? The idea came from that time.

Jack: What?

Cristina: The Schrod. How do you say it? Schrodinger's cat came from that time.

Jack: Yeah. That's a concept that was invented then.

Cristina: Oh, that's cool.

Jack: Yeah, all that stuff, like so much happened at that point in time that led to amazing sciences of all sorts, amazing innovations and creations. Penicillin being the most overpowered of them all. The ability to kill a bug inside the body almost for certain.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: By taking a pill.

Cristina: No, we can live forever. No, not really. But way longer than before.

Jack: Always. Always the case.

Cristina: Yeah. But this helped a lot.

Jack: What helped World War II?

Cristina: The penicillin. Pelicillin.

Jack: Penicillin.

Cristina: Penicillin.

Jack: Yes, the penicillin did. Amazing. But the point is ultimately the same thing that, you know, we. I guess the idea is that we just tune out things that people are responsible for when the narrative doesn't fit. We can't say Hitler did it, but he's responsible for such good things. We gotta be like, he's always been evil and everything that came out of his existence is evil. And it's like your life would be garbage had he not murdered a bunch of people.

Cristina: So we just ignore things.

Jack: We ignore things in order to feel good about the fact that we consume things on the bodies of dead Jews. Like, that's the reality of the matter. We have a bunch of this crap, like a microwave that everybody uses every day.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That only exists because he killed a bunch of Jews. Gotta take one with the other.

Cristina: That's a lot to take in. That's a lot. I mean, we're here because of dead Indians and Native Americans, probably Chinese. There's a lot of dead people involved in.

Jack: I mean, now you're talking about something completely different. Right. We're talking about, at this point, the idea that we need these dead people. Without these dead people, it would have been possible. If we're talking, like, you know, Christopher Columbus, he's way important because the United States would only exist because of him. But also, he enslaved a bunch of people and, like, kidnapped people and raped and pillaged and whatever.

Cristina: But.

Jack: But here's. Here's the problem.

Cristina: What?

Jack: We're not thinking about the fact that these people kind of had to die in order for now to be now. The way now is now. Like, every. Everything that's ever happened led to now. That's a fact. Everything that's ever happened led to this moment. So we kind of needed the things that have taken place to take place in order for now to be the way it is.

Cristina: Who would now be better without those things?

Jack: Why was. That's. That's a question that doesn't even make any sense. Because we. We just. We're not in the alternate timeline in which that happened. We're just now.

Cristina: Yeah, we're just.

Jack: All we can confirm is, and those dead people died so that now can happen the way now is happening.

Cristina: Yes, but now we don't have to repeat what we saw or what we did.

Jack: Nobody's saying we're gonna Repeat it. Yeah, we're just saying it's very important that however many people died, like let's. Let's take a trip and wander and we get to Canada and we look into. We're just going through records and we find a building, and we check in the building and we find what? Just a. A bunch of dead children?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Well, guess what people those dead children made. Now, how somehow that improved Canada, or not improved Canada, but it led Canada to be what Canada is right now. So if you love Canada, you have to love those dead children for dying and how they died, because whoever suppressed it, whoever put them in there, let them die, whatever the case might be, then suppressed all the information. They benefited from this. And somehow you benefited from them benefiting from this.

Cristina: Yes. Like what we did with the mentally challenged. How would I say, you know, the people that were special, I guess, that we murdered off. Yeah, like all those people.

Jack: Yeah, all those people needed to die in order for us to then have better genes and then reproduce and then have less of that going on. It's kind of a necessity. Everything. Everything led to. Now. You gotta understand, it's not just that Martin Luther King loves gay sex orgies. It's not just that Hitler killed a bunch of Jews and thus the world became better somehow because technologies came from it. Not because he killed the Jews, but because technologies can't. I mean, out of context, somebody. Somebody's gonna take all these clips and from these clips they are going to make the most offensive. Out of context, they're gonna. I mean, man, they're gonna try to cancel us eventually. But here's the thing, we're uncancelable.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because we're the boss.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah, we're not gonna fire ourselves.

Jack: Yeah, who's gonna show up and be like, hey, hey, you guys. You guys gotta go. We're firing you. You can't. You can't do this anymore. Like, bro, I own everything.

Cristina: But could, like, Spotify be like, we're not playing your stuff anymore, Apple or whatever?

Jack: I guess they could, but chances are they would just slap a warning on us or something because they're not hypocrites like that. Spotify and like Netflix. Irrational thinking companies that don't bend to the left.

Cristina: Okay, so.

Jack: So there's really nothing anybody could do. And like, to be honest, what would they be angry at? In fact. In fact, pay attention to article number one. This here is literally the letter that was sent about Dr. Martin Luther King. I will read it for you.

Cristina: Yes, please.

Jack: Now, it starts where we're addressing the homosexual part specifically. Everything's cut out just so you could see the basic thing. So an all night sex orgy was held with these prostitutes and some of the delegates in attendance. One room had a large table in it which was filled with whiskey. The two Negro prostitutes were paid $50 to put on a sex show for the entertainment of guests. A variety of sex acts deviating from the normal were observed. Previous sexual experiences. This activity is not new to King and his associates. As early as January 1964, King engaged in another two day drunken sex orgy in Washington D.C. many of those present engaged in sexual acts natural as well as unnatural for the entertainment of onlookers. When one of the females shied away from engaging in unnatural acts, King and others of the males present discuss. Of the males present discussed how she was to be taught and initiated in this respect. Throughout the ensuing years and until this date, King has continued to carry on his sexual aberrations secretly while holding himself out to public view as a moral leader of religious conviction. This is a pastor complaining about how anytime he's chilling with this other pastor who they're allegedly hanging out with to do pastor like things. Hey, we do pastor travels and talk about God and stuff. We go to our hotel and he just invites a bunch of b****** and we got a friend to. And then there's parties and alcohol and s*** and it's like, bro, we. There's alcohol, pastures, prostitutes and like gay going on.

Cristina: It doesn't mention gay.

Jack: Well, no, this is part of the letter.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: There are many parts of this letter. We can't get to all of it. He was just ranting consistently and complaining about all the ongoing.

Cristina: I don't understand, like he was close enough. He was close enough to know all the secret stuff. What?

Jack: It's not necessarily particularly secretive. It's just not in the public eye.

Cristina: Okay. So he let everyone.

Jack: Everyone is excessive. It's just he was not. He's not like, cover up master. I got a bunch of people burning documents and I go in a cloak into any room. Like, he's not doing any of that stuff successive. It's just like, yeah, whatever, my room is up there and like I'm in a part of the country that nobody really knows who I am by face, by name. So yeah, we could do whatever, you know, he's not going out of his way to like, well, I got to make sure that this signed some documents. If she talks, I can just sue her for everything she's worth for those 50 I gave her, or whatever, all.

Cristina: The initiation and whatever. Like, what did they want her to do that she was like, this isn't for me.

Jack: Blood orgies, obviously. Can you imagine? He's out here sacrificing m************.

Cristina: What? What? Like, it's something he describes as unnatural. He wanted her to do something she was definitely not comfortable with.

Jack: Maybe Martin Luther King was the first guy to have his a****** licked. And, like, he's like, yeah, I love when they do that. But it was. It was super uber gay. And maybe that's the true gayness he was referring to. The problem is there were other references to actual. Like, some tug in here, some suck in there. So, like, he was kind of going all in on it, but it had to be. Unless that's what he meant by a natural. It's like all the homosexual things are the unnatural part.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because black and male, but still the.

Cristina: Gay girl not being comfortable with, like, she's a. She's a prostitute, probably, right? Like, or she a random girl. Because if she's a prostitute, what is gonna make her uncomfortable? If she. Doing it for the money, I guess she. So I guess licking his b*** would be pretty, like.

Jack: Yeah, licking. You gotta understand the pressures of licking are. Are really, really up there. It's new to her. She's. It's 1960s. She's only experience, essentially giving b******* or getting penetrated. That's it.

Cristina: Yeah. Trying to think of, like, what could be unnatural. That's pretty unnatural, I guess. What if they wanted her to get peed on?

Jack: That's pretty interesting. Were people into that in the 60s? It's possible.

Cristina: It's possible. They would probably consider that unnatural.

Jack: Getting peed on. It's too unnatural.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But, yeah, there's a plethora of things that could be unnatural.

Cristina: You have any more letters or just this one?

Jack: Just this one. To show you some proof of concept right here.

Cristina: That's great.

Jack: Yeah. Dr. Martin Luther King was a unique individual. Now, here's the thing. There were letters sent between many, many people, including Gandhi, to Hitler. And Gandhi sent Hitler some letters, talking to him and referring to him as friend and brother. Now, Gandhi was also exceptionally kind of a person. So he commonly used language like that. You know, it was very normal.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Like, to anyone, he would say that.

Jack: Yeah, exactly.

Cristina: The people he thought was below him.

Jack: Everybody. Everybody. Because he was very kind, even if he wasn't.

Cristina: Okay. Did he have a problem with what Hitler was doing? Or he's like, yeah, you do you. As long as we're equals.

Jack: I. I don't know where he stood on what Hitler was doing.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I'm not entirely sure on that. I know he didn't have. Seem to have a particular problem with Hitler, but he definitely didn't like. Yeah, he didn't have an issue with Hitler as far as the letters go, or he was just being absorbently pleasant. But it doesn't tell us whether he was bothered or not by the things that were happening.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like, I don't know what he thought about Jews. That's an interesting question. Was Gandhi a white supremacist? Not even white supremacist. Was he a N***? An Indian N***? He was totally racist.

Cristina: He was. So it's possible. Yes.

Jack: But was he racist towards Jews? It kind of seemed like he just didn't like black people, primarily.

Cristina: What?

Jack: That was like, his main I don't want them around us problem, you know?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Hitler. Really, really, really, really not Hitler. Golly.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Really, really didn't like black people. That was his, like, shtick.

Cristina: How much black people were in his area?

Jack: All of them.

Cristina: All of them. Where's he from?

Jack: India.

Cristina: India. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Gandhi also had many partners. Man.

Cristina: Partners.

Jack: Yeah, a bunch of women.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Oftentimes teenage girls.

Cristina: Besides little girls that were sleeping in his bed.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: He had. Wait, he was sleeping with them?

Jack: Well, here's the thing, and this is what I'm not clear about because.

Cristina: Because I thought he was having sex. Right. Yeah.

Jack: I'm not clear as to whether he. Because in a lot of the research and a lot of the data, it says he was a sex addict. But in a lot of the data, it also says he was very celibate. It's possible one of these came first and the other one second. And I think being a hoe came first. And then he hoed around a lot, and then he was finally like, no, hoeing is bad. And I'm gonna unho. But I'm gonna unho with tiny little girls next to me.

Cristina: I don't know. It could be the opposite as well.

Jack: Because, like, I love being celibate because sex is for noobs. Anybody who gets rid of their ejaculate has inferior energy and will age quicker. Some crap like that he really believed.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: But eventually he's like, but them tight tea that. Them tight tween vajayjays is nothing like them.

Cristina: Also, was he seen, like, a celebrity or something?

Jack: He was a. Like a peace preacher, philosophy God person.

Cristina: There was girls throwing themselves. Well, not girls, ladies, hopefully throwing themselves at him.

Jack: I Had a whole conversation about this recently. About how, like, it's not just weird that people. Hey, baby. But like, where that comes from and like the era where this was just common is also like a man and his girl.

Cristina: Still probably common.

Jack: It's pretty common. I'm just saying where it originated from. And like, we all know really what it's hinting at. You know, it's the same thing about, like a teenage girl, knee high socks and, you know, we just had this conversation. The fact that, like, why. Why do guys want skinny, scrawny, teeny weeny, teenage, like, not sometimes teenagers. I guess it's the innocence thing, right? They want innocence. People want to corrupt innocence. I don't know what. Okay, In a similar fashion. In a similar fashion. I. I have a theory. I have a theory and I'll connect. Let's. Let's ground the pedo thing, right? Ground the pedo thing right now. Right now, before we get out of here. Okay, this is my theory. This is my theory on how it's happening. Right, baby? Man and his girl. You know, the things are there. All the parts are there. Okay. All the parts are there. All the parts are there. The opinion of it, there's fantasies guys have of lie. You find this in p*** a lot, actually. Women choking, right? Like, like gagging on d***. Oh, you know, like you've heard it before. The 9,000.

Cristina: Is that what that is? I don't know.

Jack: Just. Just women gagging on d***, essentially. That's a whole thing. Makeup running down her face and the whole nine yards. Right.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And there's. There's a whole, like, thing about liking petite females. You know, tiny little ladies. Yeah, Tiny curvy ladies, Short women. We like being larger than our women.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And this all goes along with one real basic fantasy the guys have.

Cristina: What's that?

Jack: Them having bigger dicks. Oh, the younger you are, the more likely you're smaller. The bigger your hands or your mouth or your. The bigger the d*** looks like in comparison to your hands, your mouth, any of your holes. So if a tiny hand grabs a d***, my d*** looks bigger. I'm better. If a tiny mouth wraps around my d***. Oh, my d*** is so big. I'm feeling that whole mouth out.

Cristina: That's all it is.

Jack: You see, you see how it kind of lines up?

Cristina: He wants that big d*** energy.

Jack: Big d*** energy. Guys want big d*** energy. Guys love the concept of them having a larger d***. This comes with all the insecurity. But this basically means any guy who's into any of this in the background of their mind is really just dealing. Because you never hear of like a black guy with a gagging fantasy. No, cuz are just gagging on a furreal, bro. It ain't a fantasy, it's a reality. And it's probably annoying. It's probably like handle it, you know? I got a fantasy of you having actual good gag reflexes. To what? While people who don't have that in reality, it's just like, oh, I wish it. But you need tinier things for it to be more possible.

Cristina: So you need younger.

Jack: Well, younger is just the shortcut because you could just find tinier. Yeah, but you're assured tinier with younger. And a lot of the time I don't even think it's about the younger per se. A lot of guys just find themselves a really tiny lady.

Cristina: It helps if younger because, like, they're not experienced. They wouldn't know.

Jack: Yes. Because you're also like sex God. Like, there's a bunch of s*** going on here. There's many parts. Right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: If they're inexperienced and anything you do is like, wow, you're so good at sex.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: And like they have no reference point for your d***. So wow, your d*** is so big.

Cristina: And if they're disappointed, they can't be.

Jack: It's compared to what? Yeah, you see, it's this whole I'm the s***.

Cristina: Yes, but really, you're cheating.

Jack: You're cheating. Go find yourself an experienced cougar and tell me you have the same level of confidence.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: An experienced cougar. That's your height.

Cristina: That's an amazing challenge.

Jack: Yeah, right. Like now you suddenly come across a problem where, like, you're no longer just by default, a huge d***. You no longer by default, just highly experienced. Like, that's my. That's my real theory. That's like coug struggle more. That's the fantasy of men wanting younger women. It's because you're God by comparison. You will blow her mind if you're her first o*****. If you're taking her virginity, she. You've ruined your life now. She's always gonna want you.

Cristina: Oh, that's messed up.

Jack: Because you're the best she's ever had. Also, like, you're cheating. You're the only she's ever had.

Cristina: Or you're the first, which also brings some type of specialness to it.

Jack: Yes, it's interesting. Yeah, it's all. It's all. It's a bunch of cheating bullshit. It's PC gamer, Call of Duty. It's like you're not actually good. Not really. And like sometimes you come across actually good people and you think they're literally cheating because you actually are cheating and still getting smacked down. That's the white guy who got the tiny little teenage girl and then thought I'm the s***. But comes across a black guy who got super experienced, super old, like hot chick and equals maybe taller than him or some s***. And it's like, I mean, think about it, just think about it. Black guy's got no problem just dating an overweight white girl that's taller than there. Why? Why is it just normal? It's like cuz we got the confidence that I'm still gonna f****** d*** this b**** down and she's gonna come back tomorrow thinking like that was the greatest s*** ever. Doesn't matter how many m************ she f*****, she's coming back here. Go ahead, try it, white boy.

Cristina: Oh, I think you figured out this.

Jack: Is my theory and I think it makes f****** sense.

Cristina: I think you make it. You made it make sense. Yeah. Whoa, Then what's Gandhi doing?

Jack: He's little d*** guy.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess. Yeah, that makes sense.

Jack: Gandhi was like a tiny, skinny Indian dude, right? Yeah, he was playing right into that stereotype. Yeah, but this isn't even racial. This is just a universal fact of being male at this point. Yeah, just guys want to feel better than they are and so we gotta f*** the tiny little girls, bro. It's the only way.

Cristina: But you think Dr. Martin Luther King was like that?

Jack: No, I think Gandhi was like that. Martin Luther King was a black guy. He probably had man ham. He had some severe man ham man him. He had the best man. Him. There's one more bit of proof and then we could get the h*** out of here. One is when it comes to prostitutes, not you talking about Dr. Martin Luther King. He's out here buying prostitutes, right? Yeah, but he's buying prostitutes for this event. Usually. Who is a pimp? It's a black guy. Black guy doesn't need to be impressed. He doesn't need the woman to come and be like, oh daddy, you're so big and daddy, you're so handsome. And this shouldn't that. She's like, b****** make me money. Okay, who's he selling it to? The guy who's like, oh, let me talk dirty to you. And oh, tell me I got the biggest d*** and all this. And who? That's the f****** white guy, bro. That's the white guy who rolled up and so f****** like, oh, that's that One right there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: She can do whatever I want. She can tell me whatever I want to hear. Sad little white guys. Sad little white guys. This is. I'm roving and just playing a violin. What you're seeing right now.

Cristina: Oh, I thought you were playing with his tiny p****.

Jack: No, I'm putting the tiniest little violin for his tiny little p****. Playing the tiniest violin for his sad little pee pee. Yeah, I think. I think I found it.

Cristina: Yep. And I think I learned something about history and men.

Jack: Yeah. I mean, lessons in life. That's what this show's about. This show's about learning about getting educated, about walking away with a better understanding of everything. And a lot of the times everything includes the shadow realm and weird s*** like that, because everything is everything. That didn't happen now. I just felt like telling you guys and reminding yourself that everything comes back to the shadow realm and adrenochrome. And I'm sure that that's probably what the. The weird unnatural was. Maybe this guy was out here raising demons or some bro. He's like, she. He's asking her to do a natural sex accent. It's sex accident. Raising. It's. It had to be blood. It was blood. Sex acts. And she was scared and that was part of the thing.

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: Her being scared was important though.

Cristina: Him.

Jack: Power. That's how he became who he was.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: No chrome he got from these unnatural sex acts that created mad blood and her fear. It was all the adrenaline.

Cristina: Yeah, the adrenaline.

Jack: And then he does the sex thing and then there's blood everywhere. Dr. Martin Luther King was the Satanist. We all know this anyways, of course. Point being, look, you guys want to learn more things about how the world works, about the facts of the universe, well then follow us on Twitter, on Instagram, on Facebook, social media stuff and you'll be notified. Presumably, you know, and all that's at just Combo pod.

Cristina: Yes. Remember to subscribe. We're gonna review the show.

Jack: Yes, mainly the reviews. You know, you gotta let. I guess the algorithms know what you think about the episodes and the show and stuff. And you just put, you know, give us some stars and be like, yo, I like it because this stuff, or I don't like it because of that stuff. You know, that's how the world works. You let people know. You let the.

Cristina: The algorithms know with emojis as well.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Tell your friends that we have revealed how all Your heroes are crooks and most of them are totally h***.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. They. They were helping. Not trying to hurt him, not trying.

Jack: To sabotage him or benefit for anybody outside the wall to with us. They own everything here. It's all equal to them.

Cristina: So they just wanted to help him?

Jack: Well, no. He just asked for help. They're not loyal to. They own all of the above.

Cristina: Do you have any idea if they were helping him? They were.

Jack: They were, but it wasn't there. Yeah, they didn't care in either direction.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They would help whoever came to ask for help because they don't care.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It just so happened to be that he was the one who asked.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Through Lyndon Johnson. Which is funny because when you think about the fact that Penguins Day and Martin Luther King's Day are so closely related, are so closely like they're happening so close together, but they're also so closely related because Martin Luther King needed to talk to Lyndon Johnson. Lyndon Johnson then needed to cross the border through the penguins. Probably get a message to have a penguin escort him.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To deeper in to then where he could get some sort of fairy probably carried by the penguins. Or get to an airfield where these penguins would then get to the planes. It's gonna fly them to the leaders that would then allow him to bring up his case, ask for the help that Martin Luther King asked for, and then come back with a response back through the Arctic, interacting with the penguins again and then making them back in. It's fascinating.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

October 29, 2022

Rambling 198: Dangerous Imaginary Friend

October 29, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why did Jackie imagine Hank? Who is Hank? Is this something Jackie and her family should be concerned about? The duo opens the case of Hank, the Imaginary Friend, and the investigations gets only stranger as the data I reviewed. With a theory that feels right!

Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Jackie, the 9 Year Old
Hank the British Imaginary Friend
Is Hank Real?
Hanks Increasingly Odd Behavior
Making Threats
Abandoned Car
Missing Person’s Report
Questionable Heart Attack
Mental Asylum
The Forest
Speculations

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurdity, baffling ideas.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Yeah, that pause was monumental. So let's recap. Halloween's coming up, so we've been doing some weird. We've been.

Cristina: Yeah, some weird stories.

Jack: We've been digging. We've been digging deep. Deep in the. In the. In the digs.

Cristina: In the digs.

Jack: We. We've been digging deep in the digs.

Cristina: What's that supposed to mean?

Jack: We've been digging.

Cristina: We've been digging.

Jack: We've been digging holes. Yes, like the movie holes.

Cristina: Like the movie holes, except this one has the demons in it.

Jack: It built a character.

Cristina: What, this hole that we found has demons in it?

Jack: Well, we did. Yeah, we did find the hole with demons, but. Okay, so, yeah, there is a hole in some country, Russia or some s***. Like the border of Russia. I don't remember the story of Russian. Something and evil is in the hole. Allegedly. We don't really know.

Cristina: It's the Pepsi Cola.

Jack: Yeah, the Pepsi Cola wormhole. Yes, the Pepsi Cola wormhole is a scary place, but so is the Bio Ventura.

Cristina: The real life resident Evil lab.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, the Umbrella Corp.

Cristina: Umbrella Corp.

Jack: So, yeah, we. Look, the first story was just looking for some weird thing that happened in real life. The second story that we found was trying to type in exactly the same circumstances that would, in theory, describe the first story. But we just found the flip of it. Right. Originally we were like, what's a real scare? Not scary, but like, what's a real.

Cristina: Weird event that scientists can't explain? Or I guess they might have explained, but we'll never know their explanation.

Jack: Exactly. There wasn't a way to really tell.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But I'm like, okay, what's a real event that has some. Some spooky connotations to it? And then we found the. The. The lab thing, right. It's trying to replicate the whole thing. The whole thing was just. Hey, what's weird? What was it? It was. We. What's some. A scientific thing that has no explanation?

Cristina: Okay. Yes.

Jack: And I was like, okay, but that was by accident. I just. What's something scary we could look up and I found some science related. What was it? No, what's the scary science thing?

Cristina: Something scary that science can explain.

Jack: Yes. Well, I was just looking for something scary and I found Something sciency. I was just looking for something grounded, something that, you know, what's tangible. What do we have evidence for? And so we found the science experiment that was weird. And so then we looked into it or typed in the right. The same combination to try to find something else after we found that story. And instead, what we found was something unexplainable. They happened to be with scientists. Yes, but this one had, like, an alien or ghost vibe to it.

Cristina: Mm. And they weren't doing any research on the thing. I mean, their research was kind of like a normal human research of, like. What's that sound? Let me check it out.

Jack: Yeah, well, there wasn't research. It was more like investigating.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now we do this, get conclusions, blah, blah, blah. So I'm like, all right, we got to do this again because, you know, now we're by accident, consistent. And it's October. Let's do it. So October. And I got one more. One more chance before Halloween to be spooky.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And I started digging.

Cristina: Spooky.

Jack: Well, I start digging, and I can't find anything related. It's sort of the same situation again because I type, okay, like, this time, we have a bunch of police reports and stuff. And I'm like, oh, that's. You know, that's kind of cool. That's pretty dope, because they weren't police reports for the first thing. There was just a bunch of people abandon the s***. And then the second one actually had police reports. That's kind of cool.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So I'm like, is there something else that, like, there's actual police reports for that's creepy and unexplainable? And I go digging and digging and digging, and I actually do find something quite interesting. The question is, is it spooky? So this is potentially hit and miss, but we're gonna find out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Okay, so let's dive into the story of Jackie. Jackie is a little girl.

Cristina: How little? Or I guess how young?

Jack: Very.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She's from Oklahoma. She's like eight or nine.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She's from Oklahoma. And Jackie has an imaginary friend.

Cristina: That's, like, the first thing I was thinking.

Jack: I said little girl, and you just thought, imaginary friend.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay, continue.

Jack: It's just. Okay, based on me saying imaginary friend, what do you think is gonna happen?

Cristina: I don't know. Because, like, she talks to the friend, and the friend tells her to. I don't know. It's always like, some kind of, like, evil ghost thing. But we'll see.

Jack: We'll see. Okay, so Jackie's Grandmother Stephanie stated that she often spent time playing with her imaginary friend and her dolls.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: Basic little girl s***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Imaginary friends, dolls checks out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So when asked to describe her imaginary friend, she claimed it was an older man named Hank.

Cristina: Always. Why is it always some creepy dude? What is with these creepy dudes hanging out with little kids? Imaginary creepy dudes. It's always a dude ghost. I never hear about a woman ghost hanging out with kids.

Jack: I don't know either. But also, pedos are, like, a thing and quite. This is what. This is the kind of s*** that makes you be like, well, it's probably real. Like, it checks out according to, like, the percentage of creeps that are out there. Yeah. So anyways, Jackie would tell her parents about, like, stories of the. The. Of Hank. Hank would tell Jackie stories, and Jackie would excitedly tell her parents stories. So she would tell. He would tell her about, like, how he used to work at a lighthouse.

Cristina: That's cool.

Jack: He used to work on a lighthouse off the coast of England. Jackie's from Oklahoma, so it's interesting that there's this random guy, and so she, you know, he tells her about his life and. Because his imaginary friend. Right. So he tells about his life, his hobbies, just things. Stuff.

Cristina: Nothing weird that he's telling her, or at least not yet.

Jack: No. Yeah, I suppose so. As a little girl playing with her dolls, I find it strange that it's not just weird that he's a grown man. That's weird. But it's weirder that he's a grown man playing with dolls that's already kind.

Cristina: Of like, okay, he's playing with her. Like, she. It's her playing with dolls with him. You're saying, like, they're playing together?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: With the dolls?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. I didn't know that. Okay.

Jack: That's weird. It's not that she's playing with him and playing with her dolls. She's playing with him and her dolls.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Simultaneously, he's a grown imaginary friend who likes to play with dolls, and he's a dude. An older dude.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Kind of weird. Checks out the whole, you know, I'm grooming your child to do things to it, kind of. But it's imaginary, so what the h*** can anybody do? There's not a problem there. Just a crazy little girl or a normal little girl with imaginary friends.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So one day, Hank approaches Jackie screaming and crying and saying he'd seen something horrible happen. What? Imaginary stuff, you know?

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. Okay.

Jack: So he says he saw somebody fall and get hurt outside Simple.

Cristina: Well, she checks it out.

Jack: Well, she doesn't check it out. She tells her mother and her father and although they didn't believe her, so she, she, they, you know, in order to humor her, they check it out. They go check it out and what they find is an actual kid had broken his leg outside somewhere. Yeah, it was like a block away.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: She probably heard it or something. You know, typical. She was probably because she was playing outside moments before. She wasn't down the block, but maybe she saw something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And she tells her parents or whatever. M and I think actually she was in her backyard and this happened a block away, but she probably heard it happen. And you know, as an intelligent child, quick fact. Children with high IQs tend to be the ones who have imaginary friends.

Cristina: Really.

Jack: It is their mind processing information highly, like very fast and it has to compose and composite things. And a lot of the time it superimposes imagery that allows them to process. And if the child is thinking at an extremely adult level, they might manifest an adult that can think for them in that instant psychology fact. Anyways, this child must have heard the kid fall and start crying.

Cristina: Okay, so nothing weird yet.

Jack: Nothing weird to come in from the backyard and tell her parents. And then her parents then went to investigate and found the kid. They're aware that her child is highly intelligent. They've been told things to expect of her child and also to not worry about the imaginary friend because of this very circumstance. Highly normal. It is an extremely intelligent child. Okay, so this is kind of expected. And a child with high intellect is also a child with high intuition. You can have very small pieces of information and piece together quite vivid images that are accurate.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Her predictability. Not her predictability, but her ability to predict. Astounding. Because of high intellect, imaginary friend because of high intellect and intuition. Because of high intellect, the kid is essentially psychic. Because of high intellect, she could hear something and piece it together, basically what happened here. So obviously her parents thought nothing of it.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah, I guess there's nothing suspicious there.

Jack: No, nothing at all. Why do you keep saying yet this what you keep saying yet?

Cristina: Cuz something's gonna happen.

Jack: Do you believe something's gonna happen?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay. Anyways, so. So the child's parents were contacted, the situation was dealt with, blah, blah, blah. And again her parents just brushed it off as something expected something normal. And sometime later, Hank began acting strange again, but in a weirder way. You know, he started think of like nurses from Silent Hill. How they kind of like twitchy and, like, real uncomfortable looking.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, yeah, doing that and like, screeching and like, at random, he would do this. Almost like he was glitching. But this. This is her describing this to her parents. She wouldn't use the word glitching, but, you know, she would try to explain the motions and how he would just start screaming crap. And then he'd just go back to normal.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And like, it never happened.

Cristina: Like, she tried to get an answer from him and he couldn't explain it.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, he would. Like it never happened to him. Like. Oh, I don't. I don't know what you're talking about.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Again, imaginary friend. So whatever weird things are gonna happen. But as a result of this, she began to have a lot of night terrors, consistently night after night after night after night after telling her parents about this. So it became really consistent that she would have these. And she had to go into a child therapist. She started seeing a child therapist consistently because of this. It was becoming intrusive. She would not sleep any night. All the nights were interrupted. All the nights, all the nights. All the nights, all the time.

Cristina: Because she was dreaming about or having nightmares about Frank.

Jack: Yeah, just these weird motions. Screaming. Some of the dreams that she described just kind of looked like a horror scene is basically all black and just him there, nothing else. And him, like, twitching in that manner and screaming in that manner with nothing else but him being the focal point.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. It's kind of horrible because it's unclear whether she. She placed herself in the world of the dreams that she was having. Like, she was physically there or she was just watching nothing but him. Like, is she seeing herself third person, or is she seeing first person so all she sees is him? That was unclear, but it was described as essentially a dark void with nothing but his presence. How she saw him. That made her scared.

Cristina: Yeah. Were they trying to now, like, get her to stop having an imaginary friend? Is that even possible?

Jack: Yes. They tried medication in small doses because she was a child and that wasn't really working. But they immediately stopped that because of. It was kind of numbing her out, but she would still have all the problems. So you'd like drugging your child and not even solving the problem, which is a huge issue I have with giving children medication. Anyways. Your kid has adhd. Maybe that's just your child has a lot of energy and maybe. Don't drug your child.

Cristina: Don't punish your child for energy.

Jack: Don't punish your child for Being a child.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, my child can't focus. Well, they're f****** kid, you know. But yeah. So consistently her parents would chalk it off to emotional stress. The therapist explained that this stuff is expected. You know, her mind has to process even the darker things of life, and as she gets older, she's going to understand those things more. But maybe not consciously, maybe this is all happening subconsciously and manifesting as these twisted images that she's getting from Hank.

Cristina: Okay, so everything's normal so far.

Jack: It's normal. It's very on brand for a intelligent child. Minus the now. This is. According to the doctors, it's totally fine. But what's weird for Jackie particularly is that she's consistently trying to explain. He's always more aggressive than he was before. So the twitching is more vicious, the screaming is more vicious, and he's more confrontational. Consistent. Like he's more aggressive in his words, have a stronger tone and he sounds like he's talking down to her more frequently. That kind of stuff.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But. But again, totally normal, according to the doctors, really.

Cristina: What.

Jack: What would be abnormal about an imaginary friend being weird? Unless you're thinking something horrible, which you are.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It wouldn't be strange.

Cristina: It's gotta still be weird for the parents. Even if they're being told it's normal, it's still weird.

Jack: Why would it be weird? As opposed to, oh, our kid.

Cristina: But their kids having nightmares and it's. She's telling you her imaginary friends going wild again.

Jack: Just because you're expecting something odd to happen is that you're in the state of mind. Think about how often a little kid leaves his bed and goes and jumps in bed with their parents. And you're like, oh, how cute. But that kid had a nightmare. Some kids do that every night. That's not weird. You're just expecting something weird to happen. So you see it weird. But it's extremely. It's the most common thing.

Cristina: Nightmares, though, if she's saying that she's.

Jack: Experiencing this, well, it's an imaginary friend, which is also incredibly common. It's like a kid saying there's a monster under the bed every night. Again, you're expecting something weird, so you're seeing it as something weird. But what part of this have you never heard before? All of it is extremely common. Kids see crazy s***, though. There's monster, daddy, there's a monster under my bed. And that. That every night has to come and be like, there's not a monster under the bed. No, I saw it. Okay, I'll look under. Or it's in the closet. I'll in the closet. This is normal. This is all normal. You're expecting spooky, so you're thinking about it as weird. Why? Well, it's so weird that she. It's totally normal. There's actually nothing strange about this, about imaginary friends.

Cristina: That glitch out. That's totally normal.

Jack: You gotta understand that none of what's being described is weird in the context that a child's mind is making it up. So I'm using the word glitching out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I could say spasming. Regardless of which word I use, the descriptions of the child are childlike and what. The events that are happening are extremely normal, as explained by therapists who experience it all the time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Professionals who experience this all the time are saying, this is normal. This is absolutely normal.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which means it's so common.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That they're not like, your child's f***** up.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Do you see?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You're expecting something weird, so you're seeing it weird because you're looking for it. But the people who are trained to spot how normal it is are like, well, this on paper is some s*** I've seen a thousand times.

Cristina: Okay. I have not seen this a thousand times, but okay.

Jack: Yeah. But you're expecting to see something weird, so you're already looking for it. You're like, which part of this is the one that I'm supposed to pay attention to? Don't worry about it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The doctor said it's fine. You just follow the expert.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Not the little girl. You focus in too hard on little girl's opinions. Little girl. Why are you putting trust in her? Even her parents are like, f*** this child. She's just a f****** kid.

Cristina: That's awful. I don't know.

Jack: But, like, in most cases, what you gonna do? Humor your child's crazy s***? And then they turn out to be a real nutcase because you made them think this is absolute. Absolutely. Okay. Instead of going out of it. That is where you see you'd messed up your child in this instant. Because you're like, well, this is so weird. My child. Oh, my God. But no, it's not. It's totally normal. It's absolutely normal. It's absolutely normal. Until 8-16-20. I mean, 2001.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: In August 16, 2001, it stopped being normal.

Cristina: How so?

Jack: Well, Jackie calls Stephanie, which is her grandma, claiming Hank said he would hurt her parents.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now it stopped being normal. Now, if she were to tell the doctor that the doctor would Be like, now we've got a problem. Up until that point, it was totally normal. You were looking for it. Now you got some s*** that is like, is this kid gonna f****** hurt her parents?

Cristina: Is she?

Jack: Well, I don't know. What do you think? So, okay, Stephanie asked to speak to Jackie's parents, and they were fine, obviously, because this f****** kid's crazy, okay? And also, it's a f****** nine year old. Like, what the h*** are you gonna do to hurt your parents if they're paying attention, you gotta catch them while they're sleeping or something if you're crazy like that.

Cristina: Is that what she does? No. Continue the story. Yes. Okay. Okay. So they talked. She talks to the parents. Parents are fine.

Jack: Yes, they're. The parents are perfectly fine. And, you know, nothing. Nothing out of the ordinary. It's just like your kids spazzing out of the nightmares of guy weariness or whatever. She just needs to escape the situation. So Stephanie has to have Jackie for the night, you know, to ease the parents worry. To ease Jackie's worries. And interestingly enough, Jackie said that anytime she was with her grandma, Hank wasn't there. Hank tends to be at home. At her. At Jackie's home, not at her grandma's house.

Cristina: Okay. Because if this was a ghost story, he's just haunting the house she's living in.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. If this is a ghost story, it's haunting the house is living in. And so Jackie goes and stays with her granny at her granny's house, you know?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So the next morning, it gets weirder.

Cristina: I don't know what happens.

Jack: The next morning, the police knock on Stephanie's door.

Cristina: Okay, about the parents.

Jack: Right, about the parents. So, okay, this is what happens. The parents car is found parked on the highway, but the parents aren't there. And they did a search to find who the car belongs to, but the parents were also not home. But the car was there. Didn't look like anything weird happened. It kind of looked like they pulled.

Cristina: Up, they just abandoned their car, parked.

Jack: And just abandoned the car. Now the car's abandoned, but they find out that, you know, it belongs to the parents or whatever.

Cristina: How long was it abandoned for? Like, when did someone realize that it was, like, suspicious, or the next morning. Next morning. Oh, okay. And it took them that quickly to, like, look it up of, okay, the parents live there. And then the grandpa, like, did they contact a bunch of people?

Jack: Probably not the next morning. That was just a couple of hours. The girl just stayed overnight.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which means the car was just parked on the Highway.

Cristina: And then they went to the grandma to look for the parents.

Jack: Well, not really. They probably went to the parent looking for the parents at the parents house. They probably ran the plates and they're like, somebody just parked out here.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Chances are that car had a ticket.

Cristina: On it and stolen or something.

Jack: That was probably the initial realization. But the car was just parked there. There was no broken windows or anything. And so they didn't find the parents at the place. But you know, looking for contacts and whatever, they end up finding the grandma. And they're like, okay, yeah, weird, but whatever. And the car is just there. So at this point, the grandma. Stephanie and Jackie have not heard from the parents since the previous night. So they don't actually know why they would park and abandon the car. They just know that they parked and abandoned the car. But they did in fact confirm, yes, that is the car.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Very important. Which was the goal of the police being like, does this belong to whoever?

Cristina: Yeah. And they found out. Yes.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the car gets. Because it's on the highway, and the car. They're told that the car's been towed. The car. This is important for you to like, get in contact with these people and tell them. And they. They're like, yeah, whatever.

Cristina: They like, yeah, whatever. Yeah.

Jack: Like, they're gonna go and she's gonna contact them. Eventually she gets in contact with them. She's gonna be like, hey, your car.

Cristina: How long does it take for people to feel like, okay, maybe they're missing or something?

Jack: Or that's like a day, like a week.

Cristina: But she's not worried.

Jack: I mean, the car was just found parked on the highway, so she's very worried. It doesn't. Nothing told us she's worried. But I Like, we can reasonably assume you find a parked car on the highway unless she's dead on the inside. She's probably like, well, that's strange. I should probably be worried. It'd be crazy if the cops knock on the door in the morning and they're like, hey, this car was probably here overnight, but. And also, we didn't find the people in the car. Does this car belong to somebody who you know? Yeah, it's a car of my daughter. Okay. Yeah, it was abandoned.

Cristina: Nothing suspicious about the car.

Jack: It was abandoned in the highway. And besides that, Stephanie is like, oh, that's cool. And then the cops leave, and then she never again gives it a second thought. She's just like, what is. Stupid parents my granddaughter has that they would just park on the highway and walk away don't they know that's what parkings are made for? Not the emergency lane. You know, she's over here cooking, like, stupid child of mine. I taught them how to park. Why are they stopping on the highway? No, of course she's like, what the.

Cristina: F*** do you know which one is her child?

Jack: Her child is the girl.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The. The mother.

Cristina: Mother. So she tries to contact her.

Jack: The mother of the daughter. Cc. Yeah, she tries to contact her. That does not work out. This is 2001. Presumably one of them had a cell phone. Probably not. It was probably house phone. And see, here's the problem. This is also why it's, like, less concerning, because there's no. There's not like, any. You can't immediately get in contact with anybody.

Cristina: Yeah. So it's going to be a while for her to be like, this is really dangerous. Or not dangerous, suspicious.

Jack: Like something horrible. No, it's already. Again, there's a car parked on the emergency lane in the highway, and there's nobody in the car. And we cannot seem to find the people whose car it is at home. Have you seen them? Nah, nah, it's already suspicious.

Cristina: Do they know, like, maybe the car. There was something wrong with the car, like it couldn't drive.

Jack: They don't. Which is actually an assumption that was made. Perhaps the cut. That's why they went to the house to find out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Perhaps there was something wrong with the car that prevented the car from moving. They didn't have the car keys, so there was no way to just turn on the car and drive it away. The car was towed.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Yes. But I'm assuming after the car was towed is when it's like, okay, we gotta contact the people whose car it is to then get them to come and get the car. But, oh, we can't find them.

Cristina: We can't find them.

Jack: So we need to do everything in our power to find them. Because we need our money.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We gonna get gangster on these mofos. They better give us our guap.

Cristina: That's all they care about.

Jack: Care about. So they show up to the house, and the pope was like, there's nobody here. They probably knock the door down, get, boom, search the house for the money or whatever. Or whatever cops do, you know?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then they dip. Find the money, and they're like, they're hiding. They don't want to pay. We're gonna find them by any means necessary.

Cristina: So they go to the grandma for the money.

Jack: So they go to the grandma, they beat that door down. Too. And they strong armed grandma. It's like, we know you're hiding them. We know. She's like, I've not seen them. You're lying. They tortured her for weeks trying to find out. You will tell us. They waterboarded her every night.

Cristina: But, like, when they dropped her off, the grandma didn't think anything weird was going on. Like, the parents seemed perfectly fine.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, the parents didn't seem. I mean, none of these reports tell me that, but like, the fact that nothing was mentioned. Mm, probably it was just like a normal day.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Like their behavior wasn't strange enough that she would say, oh, they were being weird beforehand.

Cristina: Yeah, there's something going on. But okay, yeah, like, clearly I thought.

Jack: Something would happen because they were being so strange. No, that never happened. They were perfectly fine. Fine. But it got weird because although they didn't get in contact with them the first couple of hours, questions start to rise after the first day and they're still not around. And then the second day and they're still not around.

Cristina: Has the grandma told anyone about what the daughter had said?

Jack: No, she. The grandma actually completely forgot that the daughter even said this. It's totally escaped her that the reason this little girl was staying at her house in the first place is because she. Because you gotta understand, this girl has been complaining about this for a long time. So anything and everything that she says relative to Hank, it just goes tuned out to some degree.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because, you know, they've dealt with it for a while.

Cristina: Yeah. And how's the girl behaving during this time while her parents are missing?

Jack: She doesn't know that her parents are missing.

Cristina: Oh, she doesn't.

Jack: She's not told a single thing. Why would you just freak this girl out? Especially if you're just gonna fight. What if you just find her parents and they're perfectly fine? They were just out there f****** somewhere. They went to a hotel. The f***? And you're gonna be like, oh, my God, your parents are missing? No, just, you know, she's protecting a little girl. The girl doesn't know anything, but. So it was totally forgotten. But eventually, after the second day, without hearing from the parents, the police determine, you know, this is. This is. Okay, now this is problematic. This is a missing person's case at this point.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. So they're like, okay, we definitely need to organize a search party. We know where the car was. Let's start sending people out. It's, you know, if they have been kidnapped or if they're hurt, we Gotta get to them before like it's a wrap. So they send the search party and you know, as things go, they were searching the forest around the highway that the car was found.

Cristina: There's a forest around the highway.

Jack: Well, most highways cut through a forest.

Cristina: Oh that's. That sucks. But like the search sucks because it's gonna be hard to find them if they are in there.

Jack: I mean anytime somebody is missing around the highway, there's. You gotta search the forest next to the highway. That's never not been the case.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like I think the point of a highway is that it cuts through the forest so that you can get to the next location. So I think every highway, unless you live in California through a forest. It's through a forest. Yeah. There might be nothing more normal.

Cristina: Yes. It just sucks as just like to search through though.

Jack: But no, because if this is the case and every highway is surrounded by a forest, you've already trained in searching every forest or not every forest, but you trained in searching through a forest. It's probably easier than searching through a city where there's alleys and buildings with multiple floors that somebody could be missing in.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You just got complicated one dimension to look. It's a plane. You just walk through the plane. And that's why it's way easier. You know, it's the whole shallow grave scenario. It's like what's in the woods. It's kind of easy to stumble upon.

Cristina: You probably have search dogs too. That makes it even more easier.

Jack: Way easier. This like there's nothing easier than searching the woods.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Hard would be somebody went missing in the city. Well there's, I guess there's 5 million people in the city. How the f*** are you gonna find it?

Cristina: Could.

Jack: They could be walking by us and we might mess up.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You know, the woods, ideal location for somebody to go missing. If you're gonna find them. The woods is where you want them to be.

Cristina: Alright.

Jack: And so after the two days they go and they organize a search party and start searching the woods. Now two days of search go by without finding anything.

Cristina: And the girl still doesn't know.

Jack: The girl still doesn't know. She's just staying with her grandma. But at this point the girl hasn't even talked to her parents on the phone or anything.

Cristina: So she's probably getting suspicious that something's.

Jack: Wrong or it's like a nine year old girl. Why would she get suspicious of anything?

Cristina: I don't know. Does that she have school or something to go to or she's Too young for that. You think?

Jack: This child is like, oh, my God, I should. She's like. She's remembering school.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This is like a vacation. Yeah. This child's like, man, I need to. I need to go to school. It's important. My education comes first. What's happening?

Cristina: I miss my friends, maybe. I don't know.

Jack: This kid doesn't give a bro.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But two days into the search and they. They find Jonathan, Jackie's father.

Cristina: Okay. Oh, Jonathan. That's good.

Jack: Yes. Yes. And he's actually found dead.

Cristina: Oh, no.

Jack: Yeah, he's. He's. His body is found resting against a tree deep in the forest. It's called a parallel forest, by the way. So deep in parallel forest, he. His body's found. Parallel forest is off. I don't know the name of the highway, but it's off the highway. And this is in Oklahoma. And so his body's just found, like, sitting against a tree.

Cristina: Sitting against the tree?

Jack: Yeah, sitting against the tree. And the coroner's report says that it was just a heart attack.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah. Like, he got out of the car, traveled the woods, started to have a heart attack, leaned against a tree to kind of like, brace himself, and died there.

Cristina: What? That's pretty insane.

Jack: Yeah. That's f****** crazy, right?

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: It's like, whoa, dude, you were having a bad day.

Cristina: And then they find the lady?

Jack: They did not immediately. So it was actually.

Cristina: How many search days is this? So far?

Jack: It's been two days of searching without. So it was two days missing?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then two days of searching. It's been four days since they went. Since Jackie stayed with her grandma when they find her father. Okay, so four days between the day she goes to her grandma's and the day they find her father.

Cristina: Okay. Do they know how long he's been dead?

Jack: That is not established. I do not know.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It was probably in. Somewhere in there, and I totally skimmed, so I don't know. The amount of time that comes by nex is three days before her mother is then found.

Cristina: What's her mom doing?

Jack: It's less about what her mom is doing, more about how weird it is what happened. So her mom is found in Modoc National Forest.

Cristina: Is that like super far from the forest that they're in?

Jack: Well, they're in Oklahoma and this forest is in California. What? That's weird.

Cristina: That's weird. What? What? Okay.

Jack: Yes. Also, she's found dead, and she's found sitting against a tree in the woods.

Cristina: From a heart attack.

Jack: The coroner's report claimed it Was a heart attack?

Cristina: No, she got a heart attack after walking from Oklahoma Street.

Jack: There's no way she could have walked that.

Cristina: That's not a four day walk or how long has it been at this point?

Jack: It's seven days. But that's not a seven day walk. You'd never make. You'd die long before then.

Cristina: Okay, but they think that's suspicious though, right?

Jack: She could have taken a ride there and died.

Cristina: I guess. That is so cr.

Jack: Like nobody's like, she walked there and died? No, again, only if you're expecting it to be weird will you conclude that these things are weird. Otherwise she just f****** left and had. Now again, the cops aren't connecting these dots. They're just like cops elsewhere found her. They're not like aware that again, cops in California found there. They're not like, hey man, does this woman over here have family that died elsewhere give a s***. They're just like a dead woman. So yeah, that's. But us observing it is like, whoa.

Cristina: Whoa, what does the grandma think of all this?

Jack: I know the grandma's tripping out, bro. She's like, what the. Because that's her daughter.

Cristina: Her daughter doesn't really believe her daughter ran away and then died.

Jack: Yeah, she didn't think her daughter parked the car, hitchhiked. The California died of a heart attack in the woods. Like, what party were they? Dude, that's some crazy drugs her and her husband were on. D***. I'm sure that probably crossed your mind though, like, what kind of crazy drugs were these crazy kids doing? Bath salts.

Cristina: Oh, maybe.

Jack: Man. Were bath salts even around in 2001? I don't think so. Right?

Cristina: No, it was just happening like Beth's.

Jack: Yeah, bath salts is like 2006. Maybe they had the first batch of bath salts. Yeah, they had like some super dysfunctional no kinks worked out.

Cristina: Oh my gosh.

Jack: Yeah, but that's nuts, bro.

Cristina: That is nuts. That's just like a mystery.

Jack: Yes, yes, it is. That is. That is precisely what it is.

Cristina: The cops don't do any more work. That's the end of their jobs.

Jack: I mean, what the are they supposed to. What do they think?

Cristina: The house, the car, why?

Jack: It's a heart attack. What are they supposed to do? The coroner said a heart attack. It's provably a heart attack. They're gonna be like, it was murder and someh. They caused the heart attack.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, no, they're just like, it was a heart attack. There's nothing beyond that point that they could do. The crazy cop that's like Dr. Housing it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He's like, this is a setup. I can feel it. I know the coroner's report says this, but in my gut, for whatever reason, I'm extra invested in this one random case, and I want to find out what really happened to this woman who was in the woods and died of a heart attack.

Cristina: So then what happens with the grandma? What does she do?

Jack: Panic? Her daughter died?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's not like she's thinking clearly anymore. Her daughter died. She's just like, my daughter died of a heart attack. She probably forgot. She's not connecting dots. Her daughter died.

Cristina: Okay. I guess, yeah.

Jack: Your daughter dies, your next thought is, man, this little girl has something to it. Or I gotta investigate the murder of my daughter, who they've told me had.

Cristina: A heart attack like, in some other faraway place, like, I don't know. You don't think she, like, was kidnapped? No.

Jack: You just gotta think, my. What the f***?

Cristina: She had a heart attack in the middle of nowhere.

Jack: Right? Right. So the logic here is she got kidnapped and then had a heart attack and they dropped her in the woods. That's the logic you're expecting your grandma to have? Maybe this little girl's not safe with that grandma. If that's where that lady's mind goes, immediately like, well, the cop said the thing, but I know more has happened, but, like, there's no evidence that more has happened. The pros told you, yeah, it was a heart attack.

Cristina: It was a heart attack, but she ended up so far away.

Jack: That's a f****** nut. But again, her daughter died. She's not over here, like, considering the distance, she's like, oh, my God, what a tragedy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, maybe afterwards, after the waters f****** calm down or whatever.

Cristina: Does she then tell her granddaughter, or is she living a lie now?

Jack: No, she doesn't tell her, Grant. I'm sure eventually she tells your granddaughter.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But immediately, it doesn't make sense. You gotta kind of strategize what to do with life. Your daughter's dead. You're stuck with your granddaughter. Your next move isn't, your mom is dead.

Cristina: Mm. No.

Jack: You got like, okay, let me damage control first.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I gotta, like, collect my emotions and I gotta, like, I guess I've adopted my granddaughter. Do you know the least of your concerns are, let me go tell my granddaughter her mom Is that. Then control her. I still don't know what I'm doing with this girl, but now I gotta worry about her emotions and, like, her mental stability, and she was already on edge.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, like you're not gonna say s***. You're gonna think about the well being of the child.

Cristina: Yeah. While you're having a meltdown inside.

Jack: That is what parents do. That is what grandparents, that's what adults are supposed to do. You suck it the f*** up. You keep your head down and you problem solve. Because it's not about you or your emotions. It's about that other person you're trying to raise into a functional adult. There's no way her immediate reaction is, oh, my God, your parents are dead, Bo. Your mom is dead. Your dad's dead. Everybody around you is dying. Oh, my God. You're gonna die too one day. Like, that's awesome.

Cristina: I'm gonna die.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What.

Jack: What's that from? I remember that. That was like scary movie or some, right?

Cristina: Probably, I think. Sounds like a scary movie thing.

Jack: Yeah. Your mom is dead. Your dad's dead. I'm gonna die too one day. Oh, my God, you're gonna die. It's just.

Cristina: Yes. I feel like that is one of those movies.

Jack: Yeah, it is, right?

Cristina: I can't making fun of that movie with the seven Days to Die scenario. You know, the one that if you watch the tape.

Jack: No, but I don't think it was out. I know exactly who the guy is saying it is.

Cristina: A kid who watched the tape.

Jack: I don't remember that part. I know the guy. He's. Who's saying it is the guy who was the brother of Char. Or not the brother, but whoever the h*** was Charlie Sheen's co star when he was the main character in Scary Movie. It was that one. It was that scary movie with Charlie Sheen and some other dude. Yes, I remember that much. Maybe that's the one with the ring.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. I'm pretty sure they own the farmhouse. That also. With the.

Jack: With the hole.

Cristina: Yeah, whatever. Yeah. Somehow leads all. All the stories are connected. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. But the grandma is definitely not doing that to the girl. No, that's definitely not happening. That feels like the wrong move when everybody. When it's. That feels like the worst move when it's true, you know, it feels like a good troll, but it doesn't. It doesn't feel like too tasteful when it's real. It feels like bad timing to just freak out like that. But now she just sucked it up and like a good old lady, she's like, I've adopted this child. Now we need to go to her home and get clothing and crap to stay permanently. I suppose.

Cristina: Yeah. Get all the stuff.

Jack: Get Stuff? Yeah. No, I mean, not all the stuff. Just clothes and like, toothbrushes and junk like that, you know. So she goes to do all that stuff. Collects clothing and crap. But while there, the little girl says, Hank's there too. And Hank, now, she hasn't told this little girl s***. Hank tells a little girl, and the little girl tells her grandma that he said he killed her parents.

Cristina: No.

Jack: The chills that this lady must have f****** felt at that moment must be indescribable. She hasn't said anything yet. And this little girl just said Hank said he hurt my parents. Not just hurt. He killed them.

Cristina: He killed them.

Jack: He killed him. Those are words he told her. These are the words she told. She used the words killed. That is in the report. That is what said.

Cristina: What does the grandma do then? Like, what does she think? Does she believe her now? Or does she think her child's not. Child's granddaughter's insane.

Jack: Well, she's horrified by the way there's. This was on the news. This isn't just a bunch of police reports. This was reported on the news because the. The granny. Eventually. I'll let you know. So this was informed to the police about what happened, that the little girl said this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Stephanie, then. This is where this, like, spins the f*** out. Stephanie explains to the police. Let me take a step back. Stephanie gets institutionalized shortly after this. And the girl gets put into a foster home.

Cristina: What?

Jack: After Stephanie went to the house to collect the things. And the little girl, Jackie tells Stephanie this. She gets institutionalized. Stephanie gets institutionalized. Because Stephanie goes to the police. And Stephanie tells the police what the little girl said, but she proceeds to give some extra details that we did not know until this point. She says that a long, long time ago, when her husband was alive, she cheated on her husband with a guy named Hank.

Cristina: Stop lying. What? Continue. Continue. Yes. That's so crazy. Okay.

Jack: And Hank happened to be a British guy. And she always believed and never told her husband that he. She always believed he was the father of Victoria, her daughter.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: She was convinced and kept this s*** a secret.

Cristina: Gosh. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. And then in explaining this, they're like, this whole family is nuts. And they institutionalize her. They thought she was, you know, dangerous f****** situation. Because at this point, she's talking about ghosts.

Cristina: Does, like, she know? Does she say what happened to him? Does she know?

Jack: No, she has no idea.

Cristina: Okay. But she's now believes the daughter because of the ex or whatever being the same ghost. Or at least that's what she thinks is Happening. This is her story. Her side of story is that she believes her ghost ex.

Jack: Well, now she's just, like, trying to explain anything. It's just like, I knew a guy named Hank or whatever, and blah, blah, blah. And it's just, you know, she's freaking out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, again, she. She begged the police to listen so consistently, she was like, please, come on. This is totally happening. This is true. Hank f****** killed them or whatever the h*** the story here is. He told the little girl, little girl told me, but little girl isn't telling. The cops told the grandma, and the grandma's on the cops and sounds kind of nuts.

Cristina: And they're not gonna question the girl about it.

Jack: They are. I mean, you can question the little girl about her imaginary friend.

Cristina: If they think she knows something about the murder.

Jack: They don't.

Cristina: They.

Jack: Why would an imaginary friend tell you information about the murder?

Cristina: Isn't that what the grandma is saying that happened?

Jack: Yes, but the cops are like, well, this holds water. Both the parents died of a heart attack. Let's review that.

Cristina: Oh, yes. It's not a murder.

Jack: There is no murder. You're looking for the weird, so you're seeing it. But there's no weird so far because.

Cristina: If it was a murder, they would still talk to the girlies.

Jack: Now there's a problem. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. But no, there's no murder. This grandma's just crazy.

Jack: This is a crazy grandma. Who said that? Her. Basically, she's spazzing the f*** out because she has crazy guilt.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's what they're saying. The guilt broke her. There was no murder. There's nothing suspicious. The coroner's report said it was a heart attack. So, yeah, this old lady gets put in an asylum and the little girl gets committed because of this crazy, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's a nuts story.

Cristina: So, like, the gram. Or for their. They think she just made up these stories. Do they think she made up the stories of the imaginary friend? Like, that's all.

Jack: Maybe her, maybe. I don't know. I don't know why they would ever report that. But. But maybe. I guess it could. I guess the logic would be she made up the stories because she got committed. But, like, I don't know. They. They weren't like. Also, we think, you know, like, we also believe she made up the stories that the little girl was telling us or telling her or whatever.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She made up all of it. Well, I guess that part. They think she made up all of it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, after this case, right, the old lady gets committed and Jackie gets Placed in a foster home where she claims to spent her time with Hank. This. The. The. This is where this makes the news. This lady, her friend or something explains that Jackie, through her entire time staying at the foster home, always talked about this guy named Hank who she spent time with, but nobody saw her spend time with. With. Now, she never pretended to be around anybody, but she would always talk about her friend Hank.

Cristina: Okay, wait, the person telling story is a friend of hers?

Jack: Yeah. So there's a bunch of this is pieced together by a bunch of crap.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And now we're talking about the news report that Fox had about 9 wondering why is there a report about this? So the news report that Fox had where the friend of her was talking and explaining that she was always talking about this guy Hank. But, like, we spent almost all time together. There's no way she knew a guy named Hank. And she leaves the foster home at 18, so, you know, taking contacts for too long. But on her 21st birthday, Jackie's found.

Cristina: Dead from her heart attack. No. I don't know.

Jack: In a forest.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Leaning against a tree. From a heart attack, according to Connor's report.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: What?

Cristina: That. What. Who pieced the story together if no one believed any of it, or I guess, like, afterwards. Because this friend at least heard stories about Hank.

Jack: About Hank. Yes, she knew about Hank. She didn't know who the h*** Hank was. She just heard about the guy named Hank. And then working backwards, they come across the information necessary to then claim all these things. So there's enough police reports, there's coroner reports, there's the documents that put the grandma in the asylum, and the grandma is still alive to ask questions to. So. Yeah.

Cristina: So did the grandma have more information?

Jack: Knew Grandma knew what she knew, and that was it.

Cristina: Oh, I don't understand. Like, this is supposed to be some weird ghost story, or is this a real person that's stalking a family?

Jack: I don't know. It's crazy, right?

Cristina: Yeah, because, like, I don't get it. Like, how are they dying from heart attacks?

Jack: That's the craziest part. The immediate thing I thought about when I was checking this out was like, somebody has a death note. Somebody. Like, how is everybody going off of a heart attack, bro?

Cristina: Yes. Walking into a forest. And. Yeah.

Jack: It's like somebody wrote the instructions ahead of time, and then it's like, just put the name a heart attack. How weird. It could have been anything else. They could have just all walked off a bridge.

Cristina: I don't understand. Like, why would. If this was like A ghost story. Why he would have this much hate to do all that? Like, did her husband murder him? Or something like that would make sense, I guess, as revenge. I don't know. Like, we don't know anything.

Jack: Yeah. The problem with the. When stories like this are real is that somebody's withholding information because they don't want to look bad. So maybe if this was a re. If this is a ghost story, if this is a ghost doing this, somebody had to do something to him, right?

Cristina: Yeah. Like, besides lying about. There's no way that that's the whole truth.

Jack: Yeah. That some, like, this old lady knows. Like, my husband died because he was killed by the guy because he went out to kill him in the first place or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah. Or he just killed the guy and then that's it. That's all she knows. Like, oh, my lover just disappeared one day after I got pregnant.

Jack: Well, interesting enough, she did say that she cheated on her husband with the guy, but never told the husband that she thought that was the father of the daughter. But did her husband not know or did he know?

Cristina: What if he did know and then killed the guy? Yeah. And this was his revenge.

Jack: Yeah. 100 it could be. But also, why would he kill his own daughter? Unless that wasn't actually his daughter? She only thought it was.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Again, she wasn't sure. She was convinced, but it.

Cristina: She was convinced. And maybe her husband was also convinced.

Jack: Yes. But maybe he just wasn't. And it's like, you killed me for nothing.

Cristina: Yeah. Whoa. That could totally be it. Who knows? But, like, yeah, if that was his daughter, why do this? Why? Murder. It's just too much murder to be like.

Jack: It's no murder.

Cristina: No. Well, whatever.

Jack: To this moment, there has not been a single murder.

Cristina: Suspicious heart attacks.

Jack: Yes. Ex absorbently suspicious heart attacks.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know. Like, if we don't count him in, then what is happening? How did they. Why and what the.

Jack: Do the woods have to do with anything?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or the forest. Whatever.

Cristina: Forest. Yeah.

Jack: Also, weirder question. Why is the mom all the way in California?

Cristina: Yes. How? Why?

Jack: Well, how? She probably hitchhiked there. But, like, what?

Cristina: Maybe Frank was from there. Who knows? I don't know none of that. Hank. Hank. Is it Frank? Yeah, whatever.

Jack: No, he was from England.

Cristina: Yeah, but he lived somewhere in America afterwards. Like, she met him in England.

Jack: Unclear. She dated a British guy and he worked at a lighthouse off the coast of England.

Cristina: Yes, but was she dating him there? I don't think so.

Jack: I mean, how would she date a guy Working at the lighthouse. Yeah, but I guess he worked at the lighthouse. It doesn't necessarily mean. No, it was off the coast. So he wasn't, like, on. On a f****** island, I guess.

Cristina: I'm guessing he vacationed in America or something. Yeah.

Jack: Like, how'd she meet him? You know, unless she vacationed. But no, this. Okay, so if we're trying to make this make sense, he had to come over here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Not the other way around. So she just had, like, a fling. Probably in California.

Cristina: Exactly, because maybe she was on vacation.

Jack: Maybe they were both on vacation, man. In California. Some s*** went down. Then she confessed to her husband. Her husband went over there immediately and off. The guy. Maybe. She was in vacation with her husband, obviously. And then, you know, wild night where he was just at home. She was, you know, I'm gonna go hang out at the bar. You don't want to come out, whatever. And, you know, things happen. Goes home with Hank or not even goes home. Maybe Hank rents a car. Something happens with Hank, and then she feels. Oh, well, the pregnancy I have isn't my husband. Oh, my God. Yeah, but it was totally. Was your husband. And then your husband finds out because you confess or something. Oh, honey, I'm so sorry.

Cristina: I thought she kept it a secret. I mean, she did keep a secret from her daughter, I'm assuming, because she just let it out after everything happened, but I don't know. Yeah, I think she probably confessed.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. To her husband.

Cristina: Yeah, Exclusively.

Jack: And so. So then the order of events were going by. Is lady lives in Oklahoma. She then has a vacation in California.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: By the Murdoch National Forest, actually. When her husband, for whatever reason, isn't with her and she happens to meet a guy named Hank, they have a fling in the forest. Yeah, that's where they f******.

Cristina: Oh, the plot thickens. Yes.

Jack: They f*** in the forest.

Cristina: And he probably was killed in the forest or his body was hidden in the forest after he was killed.

Jack: One of Holy. That's exactly what happened. They didn't f*** in the forest. They probably in the car parked by the forest.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: She explains to her husband what happened. Her husband goes and kills the guy, takes him to the forest. It just so happens to be the nearby forest. So both events take place there.

Cristina: Yes. And she has no clue what he's doing.

Jack: She has no clue that he did this. She just knows she confessed.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The end. That's her. The extent of her knowledge. Her husband did the rest, and he has no reason to. He's horrified that he did this. He's not gonna be like, I killed a guy and threw him in the forest.

Cristina: Yeah. That's a secret he dies with.

Jack: Yeah. They go back home. She's pregnant. She does not tell her husband that she believes that's the other guy's baby. But she does believe that the other guy's baby. Which is probably not the case. It's probably just her husband's child. She's just guilty. She feels guilty.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And all these other thoughts are associated with the guilt. Simple. Simple. One plus one equals two. Most cases. But sometimes it could equal one as well. But we're not gonna dive into this. Into the semantics of how math is kind of difficult to understand. So he kills a guy. She doesn't tell him. She thinks it's his baby. Totally not his baby. But this lady grows up, marries a guy named Jonathan, and then they have a daughter named Jackie. And then Jackie has an imaginary, unquote friend.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: For whatever reason, this guy is messing with this girl. I guess this spirit is just waiting. And then one day, the moment arrives and the whole scenario happens. So car by the woods where she probably f***** in the first place. The guy. Because it's just possibility. And then the bodies in the woods where her late husband had buried. Not literally in the first instance, but that's why the mom, the actual biological one.

Cristina: Mm. Is buried over there.

Jack: Not buried.

Cristina: Found over there.

Jack: Yes. Interesting enough, I wouldn't be surprised if the guy's body is beneath that tree. But they would have had no reason to look.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Also, that happened so f****** long ago. There's no sign on the dirt.

Cristina: Yeah. There's no way that they could piece that together.

Jack: Yeah. So it's just a dead lady.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But the guy who isn't her father is buried directly beneath her.

Cristina: Possibly.

Jack: What?

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: The idea here is that all of this happened, everybody in this lady's family died because of her f****** cheating on her husband in her first place.

Cristina: The ghost got his revenge by not killing her.

Jack: By not killing her. Letting her stay alive to watch all this. To know her family's dead.

Cristina: Yeah, like he really had it out for her.

Jack: Maybe she could. The problem is, maybe she could have stopped her husband. Maybe just not telling him would have been the right move.

Cristina: Yeah. Or maybe she has suspicious also that he did something to Hank and just never said anything. Like she's living with that guilt.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: It's way more than just.

Jack: Yeah, she could definitely have an inkling and, like you didn't avenge his death.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's Your fault he's dead. Yeah, like you didn't redeem yourself.

Cristina: But what if it has nothing to do with her story or whatever? Like, what if this girl did have an imaginary friend that was a ghost? Maybe in the house? Is that possible? I don't know. Like. But he has the name of the other guy.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes. The name is where this immediately becomes a ghost story.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If the name didn't line up, then it wouldn't be a ghost. And who he killed. Why wasn't it. Why didn't he just hurt the little girl?

Cristina: Why did he take all these steps? Like. But it feels like it also, it wasn't in his control either. Because you say he like, changed over time. He was friendly at first, and then he just grew more and more hateful.

Jack: And that's interesting, right? What's that about? That's also where it gets kind of creepy. The rest of it is. It's more of a mystery. Everything is mystery until you get to the silent hill aspect of the little girl. That one patch is like, what happened because he was just playing with her, which would then make you think, no, that is your daughter. That's your granddaughter. That's your granddaughter.

Cristina: Unless he didn't have all his memory and he was gaining it. And that's what's all the glitchiness. Not glitchy, but, you know, the odd.

Jack: Behavior that's somehow somewhere, some such is so horrifying. I don't know why that disturbed me. The fact that he's a ghost with no memories. And then suddenly the memories start coming. It's f****** twitching and.

Cristina: Yeah. And then the hate starts growing. But that's real hate that he had before he died. But he just didn't have it at the moment when he met the girl. I guess. Like it just formed.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting.

Cristina: Like that makes sense because he was playing with her. He was normal. He was like, whatever.

Jack: Yes. And then slowly, gradually, more corrupted, broken, more twisted.

Cristina: Yeah. Like that's very strange. Could it be because it. What does that even mean? A ghost gaining memories?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: How's that a thing like that means.

Jack: He was a goat. An incomplete ghost to some degree.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know. That's like.

Jack: And why focus on the little girl unless you're actually related? Related?

Cristina: You think? Maybe. I don't know.

Jack: If it wasn't, then he would have just focused on the old lady. But he didn't. In fact, the old lady was completely left out of it. That part right there makes me think that's actually the Victoria Is actually his daughter.

Cristina: Okay. Because he was around her. Well, sort of.

Jack: Daughter. He's around the daughter. Somebody in the family. As opposed to being around Stephanie, the grandmother.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That makes me think. Yes. And I guess it would hold. The story would still hold. So Stephanie and her husband go on vacation. For whatever reason, one night, she's not with her husband. She meets a British man named Hank, who happens to also be in a vacation. They're from Oklahoma, but they're vacationing in California by the Modoc woods. She has a flame in the car parked on the side of the highway with Hank. She does get pregnant by Hank. She confesses to her husband what happened.

Cristina: Yes. And he goes. Fine.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Hank. He goes find Hank. Kills him in the woods.

Jack: Well, kills him and.

Cristina: And then buries him in the woods.

Jack: Probably.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Could have killed him in the woods, could have killed him somewhere else. Regardless, he kills him.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And he puts him in the woods.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Then they leave. But she is, in fact, pregnant. She doesn't tell her husband that she's pregnant with his. The other guy's baby. He thinks this is his child.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But it's not. Fast forward. Hank's spirit follows the bloodline manifests to the little girl. His granddaughter.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because victorious. His actual daughter.

Cristina: It has to be. Maybe. But I wonder if she had an imaginary friend and the grandma just doesn't remember. But then again, she would have known. Like, this would have.

Jack: Like this would have happened already. Yeah, it would have already happened. There would have been. No, no, Jackie, no. Because Victoria is where it would have ended.

Cristina: Why was a heart attack?

Jack: Why would a heart attack. That's another thing that doesn't make sense. Because why wouldn't they just show up dead and then have no trace as a. Why, like, you know, like, only clearly murdered, stabbed to death, or, like, beat to death or whatever. But there's no trace of who did it. That would make sense. That's like. Okay, whatever happened to you, you did to them.

Cristina: Yeah. Unless he somehow died from a heart attack. Can you cause someone to have a heart attack?

Jack: I don't know. Maybe he hit him in the chest a couple of times, punch him in the chest repeatedly, and kill the guy by accident. Maybe. Maybe he went to beat the guy up, not kill him, and he beat the guy into having a heart attack. Maybe by hitting him in the chest, the guy dies. Then he goes ahead and buries the body in the panic. That's why this was never reported.

Cristina: Yeah, well, no matter how he did it.

Jack: But so the good. So Hank dies of A heart attack. And then he makes sure that the bloodline dies of a heart attack.

Cristina: Yes. Why kill the husband, though?

Jack: Yes. Because he's not related.

Cristina: It's not related. Yeah, but.

Jack: But keeping this in mind, maybe he sees Victoria and Jonathan as individuals that are mirroring what Stephanie did. Maybe they're not doing the same event. But he doesn't have a husband to take revenge out on. He has a daughter and his daughter has a husband to take revenge out on. Yeah, there's a husband somewhere.

Cristina: And I wonder how much the daughter reminds him of the mother of Stephanie.

Jack: Interesting. And then he's just. Yeah, it could totally be. It could totally be.

Cristina: It's just a weird build out. Like I don't feel. It doesn't feel like he planned it out from the beginning. Unless he. Maybe he did. I don't know. But then it's just weird. But we don't know the whole story.

Jack: We don't know the whole story because why would she tell us?

Cristina: Yeah, but I mean, like the little girl story too, of how he was friendly and then he just over times becomes a different person? Pretty much.

Jack: Well, here's what's interesting. The girl in the foster home isn't being tortured by Hank. Hank is just fine. It's just stories of being with Frank and spending time with him.

Cristina: That's also weird because she knows he killed her parents at this point.

Jack: Interesting. I wonder if this girl has some suppression problems going on, huh? Because it is traumatic. It's particularly traumatic. Your parents disappear, you got this crazy f***** tells you he killed them. Your grandma gets put away. You're young.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You just create a blockade.

Cristina: I guess that would be the only way because, like, how are you living with all this nonsense going on? This is nonsense.

Jack: Like, interesting.

Cristina: What? Like she had. Did she believe him? Does she not believe him? You wouldn't know. I mean, her friends weren't worried about it. They were like, ah, she has an imaginary friend. Whatever.

Jack: She's an immature individual. At the end.

Cristina: She wasn't seeing a therapist. Still during that time, I maybe, like.

Jack: She'S already been seeing a therapist, so it wouldn't be like, crazy.

Cristina: Oh, and there's no story from them.

Jack: Why this? It would be illegal.

Cristina: Oh, there.

Jack: There's probably a crap ton of notes that nobody's ever gonna see because that would be illegal.

Cristina: This is. It's just a weird story, man. She did it. No. How did she do it?

Jack: Anyways, that's the story of Jackie and Stephanie.

Cristina: How she killed her parents.

Jack: No, I don't Know how her parents died.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So interesting, though.

Cristina: Yeah. A weird case of random heart attacks.

Jack: Random heart attacks and a crazy old lady with crazy stories.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah, that's what it sums some.

Jack: Three heart attacks and a crazy old lady with crazy stories. Anyways. Anyways. Anyways. So we're totally way over the time here, but good. Bad, bad. Middle ground.

Cristina: Middle ground.

Jack: I think definitely not as horrifying as whatever the h*** happened last week at the Biovent is like, bro, that's horrifying. But this is just. This is just a weird.

Cristina: It's very weird.

Jack: It's very strange.

Cristina: It's.

Jack: It's probably just like.

Cristina: It's a bit icky. I don't know. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: And there's. Again, there's no murder anywhere.

Cristina: There's no murder, but it's very suspicious. Everything is like. It's not right.

Jack: It's not suspicious. It's very. Yeah, it's just not right. Right. There's just something like. This is weird.

Cristina: Three heart attacks. No way. In the forest. No way.

Jack: Yeah. And all of them in the same.

Cristina: Exact way in different forests. None of them in the same forest. Nope. That's very weird.

Jack: That is weird. Anyways, Anyways. Anyways, if you guys enjoy spooky stuff, we got two other episodes right before this one that are strange circumstances that.

Cristina: Have happened in life, and we have other episodes. Episodes. Older episodes.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: About weird, strange, real events.

Jack: Yes. There's a bunch. And not just real, there's a bunch of just like mythical crap that's weird, too. And like a bunch of horrifying creatures everywhere. There's a plethora. We. We kind of circle horror often, although we don't word it in horror kind of ways. There's a lot of creepy we talk about when you think about it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And you can find all that on the podcast platforms. Any of them. And if there's one we're not on, like, I don't know, send us a message. And you could actually send us that message on Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram @justcomfopod, as well as find a bunch of clips and crap there.

Cristina: Awesome. And remember to subscribe, rate, and review the show.

Jack: Word of mouth, incredibly important. So, you know, if you. I guess that's not even word of mouth, but. How do I put it? If you rate the show, though, it's the equivalent of word of mouth, I guess, because we move up, you're telling.

Cristina: People, hey, but if you review it, aren't you doing the same thing?

Jack: Yeah, if you rate it, you bring us up and you're like, hey, worth looking at. And if you review it, you're literally letting people know. Letting people know with words. Although not words of mouth. It's words of keyboards.

Cristina: Yes. Words of keyboard. Yes. Okay. I let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Thus insert the word of mouth.

Cristina: Yes. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal. Thanks for listening. Bye. And these penguin guards, what are they? They're just. They're just guards.

Jack: They're guards. There's some sort of chimera of some sort or some man made creature. Maybe there's. Maybe there's birds and penguins over the. I don't f****** know, man. I don't pay attention. Yeah, we're. Our job is inside the.

Cristina: Inside the wall. Yeah. That's why we don't really travel outside the wall.

Jack: Yeah. There's no reason to.

Cristina: Yeah. Everything is in here. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. So that's definitely, you know, that's what's happening there. And the reason that it's connected to Martin Luther King is actually that Martin Luther King, he had to communicate with the people from the other side of the wall to get help to establish laws that would help inside the wall.

Cristina: He had to do that.

Jack: He didn't directly. Basically, Martin Luther King would have secret meetings with President. What the h*** was his name? Lynn? Lyndon.

Cristina: Lyndon.

Jack: Lyndon Johnson. Yeah, President Lyndon Johnson. Martin Luther King would have special meetings with President Lyndon Johnson. This is fact secret meeting. Some of them were recorded unknowing. And these meetings took place because, you know, as, you know, world leaders communicate with higher ups and the chain goes all the way to the top of the Illuminati, top of Freemasons, top of government, all these things that usually manage from outside the wall. And so he needed to talk to the president to get messages from the president to the overseers and overlords on the other side of the wall to then get resources sent back so that we can, you know, they would have advice, they would send people to help and black neighborhoods need help or whatever. And so people would show up that like, where are those people from? But, you know, so much help, we're not gonna question it. And it's because people from over the wall are showing up to help.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. This podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

October 22, 2022

Rambling 197: Bioventus Strange Mystery

October 22, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

What happened at the Bioventus Research Facility? What experiments were being run in this facility leading to the incident? Was there some paranormal activity taking place? The duo unpack the most baffling paranormal incident in recent history reviewing police reports and a play by play of events following witness and victim logs. One of the scariest, most confusing episodes of the show to date. The conclusion might be spookier than the event!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Classified Experiment
Science Logs
Strange Illness
Flashing Lights
Ghostly Apparitions
Paranormal Circumstance
Alien Observations
Missing Person
Murder Suicide

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And today. So, you know, it's October and everything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Last week we had a really weird story. Also, I'm holding. This is the creepy. The creepy stories voice. So last week, by mere chance, I happened to locate. Now, I knew roughly about the. The super deep borehole, but I didn't know it got so weird. You know, everybody's heard about the story of the.

Cristina: Heard about the sound.

Jack: Yeah, it's like. And every. You know, superstitions and blah, blah, blah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The usual stuff that happens in life when something odd happens, but like, when you really investigate the superstitious and like. Oh, no, it's just, you know, urban legend that quickly fades and then you just got really weird information left.

Cristina: It's so weird. It's hard to imagine that that's a real story.

Jack: I'm sure a lot of it is bullshit. Like, you got to understand now, all the things that happened are real. But again, I'm sure that a lot of it is just people speculating on things and a lot of superstitious individuals making the reports.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: You know, so you put a bunch of religious people in a place, even if they're scientists, you know, the religious aspect of our humanity seems to always kick in. And these things that always seem to jump in are conspiracy theories and monsters and aliens and, oh, this and that and all this. The f****** hole to h***. Allegedly.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But like, no, it was probably, you know, we. Some creature we've never seen is somehow developed down there. And it's not a monster or a demon or anything. It's just some creature. Anytime we go to the very depths of the ocean, we find weird s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why wouldn't this be the same case?

Cristina: Mm. You know, it's possible.

Jack: So the reason I talked about that story last week was because, you know, Halloween's coming, time to get into the weird s***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And I had the intention of, you know, finding some other science related thing to talk about to, you know, this is something science can't explain. But in trying to find something science couldn't explain, I just found something that science wasn't even involved in or directly involved in. They just happened to be scientists.

Cristina: I don't know what you mean. Like, it's a discovery.

Jack: No. So the super deep borehole is a science experiment. It's science that we can't explain what was ha. Like science can't explain what was happening in the science experiment.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Or they did and they just never showed us.

Jack: Yes, exactly. Exactly. This isn't science experiment or science can't explain it. Nobody has tried to be scientific about it because it's so random. So allow me to begin by introducing to you Ollie Austin, PhD, Stephanie Ramirez, PhD, and Gerald Larson, PhD. Three scientists. That's as sciencey as this is getting. Okay, now I'll give you some background information. All three scientists work at a place called Bio Ventus.

Cristina: Sounds sciency.

Jack: Some sciency place. And they're science y people. It makes sense. My rabbit hole deep dive for science weirdness was checking out so far.

Cristina: Okay, so is this like a lab in Raccoon City or something?

Jack: No, I wish. That would definitely have been more along the lines of what I was looking for, but this is definitely more along the lines of Halloween. I supp. So all three scientists, now they all work in the same building. None of these three scientists know each other. It's a huge facility and they all have their own respective labs. The only commonality between these three individuals is that they are in their respective projects. The scientists tend to stay late. They're the hardest working of their teams or whatever. They don't know each other. They are totally opposite sides of the building.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Okay. Let us begin. This story takes place through their logs. I guess I'm not. I don't understand why they all have logs. I guess the facility requires anybody to log everything they do, I guess for science journal purposes or whatever.

Cristina: These are real logs.

Jack: These are real logs.

Cristina: People making things up.

Jack: No, no, no. These are logs by these scientists.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes. Yeah. So they're not like random people made these up. These are in certain reports by the facility. And these are all traceable logs that the scientists have made as part of their ritualized log keeping or whatever.

Cristina: Okay. Does it matter what kind of scientists they are to the story?

Jack: No, because the story has nothing to do with science. This is again, my search was on point until the story started to unravel.

Cristina: Is this the murder mystery? Should I guess?

Jack: Allow me to get through it.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: Okay. So on July 10th of 2012, a late night as usual for all three scientists. This is all according to their reports, and they all report at this very night a series of strange sounds. Now they're all coming from the hallway and they are all totally opposite sides of the building, but they all report directly Outside their door, strange sounds. They're unclear about what these sounds are.

Cristina: Okay. None of them actually look out their door. They just report the sounds.

Jack: It's unclear, based on these reports, whether they look outside. Okay, so we just know that they said, oh, strange noises outside, and the rest just continues as normal. Because they're supposed to log every step of everything they take. So every. Any item they use, any tool they use, any chemical they mix, every. Every time they walk across the thing to touch anything.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because all of this factors in to whatever the h*** they're working on. So they log that there was strange sounds, and then the log continues as normal. Now to clarify it, and then the scientists were working together or even on.

Cristina: The same project, but they're on the same floor.

Jack: Unclear. I know. They're opposite sides of buildings of the building. They could totally be one on a different floor or whatever. They're just not together.

Cristina: Okay, but the sounds is coming outside of their room. Not outside. Like, outside the building?

Jack: Yes, directly outside their door.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: All of them report that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes. Okay. Now, what's weird about this is since it's coming from their hall directly outside their door, and they're all opposite sides of the building, none of them report it came from the. You know, it didn't come from outside my window or whatever.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Presumably, the sound is coming from the dead center of the building.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Except somehow it's loud enough to hit all of them to the point that they think is directly outside your door. Yeah, but it happens at exactly 8:32pm.

Cristina: That'S not even that late.

Jack: It's late as h*** for somebody to still be at work. If you work nine to five.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: That's like, almost four hours into your work. Overtime.

Cristina: It would be more scary if it was in the ams.

Jack: Okay, yeah, whatever. Not the point.

Cristina: What happens next?

Jack: We'll find out. So 8:32, everybody reports that at this very moment, strange, anomalous, undistinguishable something sounds are happening. So the guy on the left says it came from the right, the guy on the right says it came from the left. The guy in the front says it came from the back, and the one in the back said it came from the front. There are only three people, but you get the image I'm trying to build. There's a location that it seems to be coming from, except it's equally loud. So, like, maybe it was outside of all their doors simultaneously. Now, they all put the. Put the sounds in their log and the following notes. The following notes after the sound were really weird and identical for all three scientists, which was they all felt dizziness, they all felt nausea, and they all felt, following the dizziness and the nausea, the eeriest feeling like they were being watched.

Cristina: I don't understand where the story is going.

Jack: I told you it's strange. And stop trying to anticipate it because it's not gonna go anywhere you'd ever expect. Really a hundred percent. The story is going nowhere. You think? Okay, it is too strange.

Cristina: Is it a sci fi story? At least.

Jack: We'Re gonna find out along the way.

Cristina: Okay, Okay.

Jack: I suppose my telling you would answer this.

Cristina: Okay, continue the story.

Jack: But again, they all logged the sound and they all have exactly the same notes following it. Nausea, dizziness. And I felt like somebody was watching me.

Cristina: Weird, okay?

Jack: Very, very weird. Now at this point I don't know what the f*** is happening because again, it be. Now I'm thinking alien abduction type of s***, right? Like it's totally going in that direction.

Cristina: But it's not.

Jack: We'll find out whether it is or not. Okay, but it's definitely how it feels. So far.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It a hundred percent feels like aliens are in your building and there's something that's causing the like nausea and the like dizziness, you know, alien radiation or you know, whatever the f****** people would make up. Like I'm sure if just up to this point, like people. The problem is, I know factually that people have made a thousand conspiracy theories stopping at this point, like ignoring the rest of it. They're like, well, clearly the rest of it is just a result of this. Aliens did that and then they hallucinated.

Cristina: The rest of it.

Jack: Yeah, you know, so that's immediately what I stumbled upon. So I'm like, oh, interesting. Let me dig deeper. But those fell apart quick because they literally just stopped at that point. They chose to stop at that point, but the story didn't stop at that point. They made conspiracy theories choosing a point that the story ends essentially. They're like, well, yeah, it was all aliens from that point, but let's, let's decide whether it's all aliens at that point.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Now this event began on July 10. So the scientists have daily logs that continued to get kind of weird and erratic following the events.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: On July 24, all three logs reported an extremely bright flash of light appearing instantly and disappearing from the hallway outside their respective labs, all simultaneously.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Weirdest part about this is they all reported that it happened at 8:32pm okay.

Cristina: What is happening at 8:32pm I don't know.

Jack: But this, it's already like, what the f***?

Cristina: And it's like a blink of a second. Like it's instant.

Jack: It's like, what, just a one shot and then it's gone.

Cristina: And then. Do they feel horrible again?

Jack: Well, following this, they didn't report that they felt any. Like, that never was mentioned again. The dizziness and the nausea.

Cristina: Okay. What?

Jack: Yeah, it was just like the one instant following the sounds, but this time it's a light and there's no report of like any sickness or anything. Okay, now like, what is happening there?

Cristina: And how many days is this after.

Jack: You said 10, and then this is 14 days later.

Cristina: 14 days later. Okay. Does it even matter the length of time? I don't know. Well, continue. Sorry.

Jack: I totally relate. Like, I, I don't know. I don't know. I. It's. You gotta understand, I'm baffled as h*** about this because I'm a very science minded person, which was the point of looking for weird sciencey things. And all I did was find scientists that are like reporting on s*** that just continues to break down. And I'm like, okay, so all of you essentially are describing alien abduction setup.

Cristina: Yes. Still sounds like it.

Jack: Dizziness, nausea. Next you got lights?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Like it's an alien, bro. It has to be, right?

Cristina: I don't know. Where's it?

Jack: And like the conspiracy theories land there. They're all saying aliens. Maybe. In fact, some of the conspiracy theories suggest that on the first time this happened on the 10th, that all three of them were abducted and that anything following this point was either fabricated by the aliens or them under control of the aliens. So they continued the reports just. Nor they continued going through the motions under alien control.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or that these are all hallucinations you're experiencing because of the alien experiments. Yeah, there's a plethora of things, but again, we're approaching this from a scientific. We're trying to be scientific. Even if everybody else who's looked at this immediately went into like tinfoil hat territory.

Cristina: It's hard not to.

Jack: It is so hard not to. Because of how immediately it looks like aliens.

Cristina: Yes. Especially when it's happening at the same exact time every time it happens directly.

Jack: Outside each of their door. Yeah, like that's, here's, here's the problem with this. If they all reported it directly outside their door, but there was a minute, two minutes, three minutes difference between one moment and the other, like one report and the other, then we'd be like, well, something is traveling the building no. Yeah, but it's instantly at the same moment everywhere.

Cristina: So it seems like they're being adopted. Aducted.

Jack: Abducted.

Cristina: Abducted, yes.

Jack: Well, let's find out. So on July 25, this is 15 days after the initial and one day after the bright light.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Totally different amount of time.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: All three reports say a female scream echoed through the halls of the facility at the same time at exactly 8:32pm.

Cristina: Okay, we have a sound, but you don't know what the sound is. It's just some weird.

Jack: Some. They couldn't describe it. It was too foreign to them.

Cristina: Was there a color to the light?

Jack: Just a bright white flash.

Cristina: White flash. And now a scream.

Jack: Now a female scream that they claim echoed through the facility. Now, both Ollie and Gerald investigated immediately. They just jumped into action. Somebody's in the building getting hurt.

Cristina: Okay, cool.

Jack: They ran the halls and did not find a female at all. Also, this is the first time these two scientists meet because they're like, they couldn't. They corroborate the fact that they both heard the s***.

Cristina: Oh, crap. So are they all three gonna meet in the story?

Jack: Find out.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: So they meet and they find nothing. They got, you know, I'm assuming they got like a. A buddy cop story or. Not buddy cop, but, you know, like, buddy story. Yeah, we meet in the thing and we go on a flashlight adventure of finding where the scream came from. Who's the guy behind the mask? Scooby, Help us. So, you know that kind of s***. Except they find nothing. They're like, well, I guess somebody played an audio clip or some s*** really loud. But, like, bro, you're way over there. Yeah, dude, you're way over here. So the reports essentially claim that they met each. Because they have to report everything. So the reports claim they met each other and they heard the same sound and they looked for it. And I guess they came to the conclusion that maybe somebody, before leaving the building, played an audio clip or something or was listening to something weird as they walked around the building that allowed both of them to hear it. They don't understand themselves why it happened at exactly the same time at this. Different sides of the building. That's also included as, like, a weird cliff note of like, okay, that happened for real. I guess I'm not going crazy. The other guy said he heard it.

Cristina: Yeah, but do you know if they talked about the past events to each other?

Jack: No, that was not mentioned at all. I do not know if they discussed this. They. They put just the details that mattered about the event. That happened that night.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then meeting the other person. Okay, that night. Now, while these two guys investigated and they found nothing, the following day, the female, Stephanie Ramirez, was reported missing.

Cristina: What? Wait, did she. She did not write about the woman screaming.

Jack: She wrote about the woman screaming. All three wrote about the woman screaming. Talk about the woman screaming.

Cristina: And then the next day, she's just gone.

Jack: She's just gone. She was never found again. Let me clarify. There was no body to this woman. There was no trace of this woman. This woman ceased to f****** exist that day. Never found again.

Cristina: But she wrote about that. And then she wrote about the rest of her work. Like they would go back and finish their job. Or did she disappear the moment she heard the woman scream?

Jack: No, she heard the woman scream. She continued her work. She did not go investigate. Yeah, she continued. She finished her night, and that was it. And that's the last we ever heard of her. That report. Exactly.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: What the h***? Because you think woman scream. Okay. She yelled because they, too, went to investigate.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Except no. Her report also had a female screen.

Cristina: Yeah. What is happening?

Jack: You see how this is quickly breaking down?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If it was that, this is the moment that I dropped the alien shtick. Because if it's aliens, it was her screaming. It would have been her screaming. Also important detail.

Cristina: What?

Jack: These are the only three people in the building other than janitors. This is a fact.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: This is all. Everything in this building is monitored at all times. This is why the LODs are important.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Everything is monitored at all times. Janitors all walk where there's cameras. What's weird is, in later interviews, the janitors were questioned about the event. They got no. They didn't hear s***. They didn't see s***. This is not happening to the janitors.

Cristina: They have cameras everywhere, though.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Did they see her leave?

Jack: No. The cameras are not allowed in the lab rooms. The cameras are in hallways, which is why the janitors aren't allowed in the rooms. They're only allowed in the hallways.

Cristina: But no one saw her leave the room.

Jack: No one saw her leave the room.

Cristina: She finished her work and then disappeared in that room.

Jack: Disappeared in that room. She never stepped outside.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Let me also clarify. Not every inch of everything has a camera on it. Like, there's not a camera aiming at her door.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: You know, there are many cameras to make sure people don't leave with s***. There are many cameras making sure people don't enter private, like, classified areas.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But there isn't a camera in every inch of the building. Because a lot of it is.

Cristina: Well, that's really hard to imagine that someone like, knew where all the cameras were to sneak around and grab her or some crazy.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. They would be caught somewhere. Yeah, one camera caught them. But the weird part is the fact that no janitor ever heard s***. No janitor ever saw s***.

Cristina: But this isn't where the story ends, is it? No.

Jack: Now there's story keeps going.

Cristina: Oh my gosh, it's crazy. Sorry.

Jack: So, yeah, this lady was never found.

Cristina: Wait, this is a day after the scream, right?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She's reported missing the day after the scream. Presumably she went missing the day of the scream. Yes, that's the. The conclusion to be made here now. Okay. On the following day, the day that the scientist lady is reported missing, the day Stephanie is reported missing, both Ollie and Gerald are still working late. They always work late. That's their thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Both of them report a female scientist roaming the halls crying. And both of them immediately try to chase and find out what the f*** they think. That's the same voice they heard before screaming. The screaming voice. Now there's a chick crying and they see her when they run outside. Unclear. At the distance, turning the corner.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They get to the corner too quick for her to go anywhere and there's nobody there.

Cristina: And they write that down.

Jack: They put that in their logs. They have to log everything.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now in both of these cases, the corner had a camera. Okay, around the corner. And all you see is the scientist guys is the scientist guys rushing to the corner and nothing more. But both of them put the same thing at opposite sides of the building.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. What is happening?

Jack: H*** is going on?

Cristina: I don't know. It sounds like aliens and ghosts. I don't know.

Jack: All at the same time.

Cristina: All at the same time.

Jack: Yeah, all at the same time. Look, I have no idea what the h***'s going on. Not even. Not even a little. Again, I don't know what to think. Sci. Is it a sci fi f****** problem or is it a paranormal issue?

Cristina: And they still go to work late after this point.

Jack: Well, it's their job. They gotta. Because they're science minded. They think there's explanations.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: In fact, Cliff notes with theories in their logs.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: As to maybe I inhaled chemicals from what I'm working on.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And it's causing the hallucination again. They don't. Other than the one scream time, they don't like really go into detail. They're working on things they don't tell each other. All the details. So they don't know that the other person experienced the whole array of things. They just know the one thing. That's it. So they don't realize there's no way that guy inhaled the same thing you did that could you both hallucinating the same thing. That doesn't check out. That doesn't check out. That makes zero sense.

Cristina: No, no. But they don't know.

Jack: They don't know. So they just think you know some. So first I heard the thing and maybe it was real, but maybe it was just something small again, like music or something. But I'm hallucinating. I am experiencing a form of distress that's leading my brain to exaggerate certain things. Maybe the working consistently at nights is causing the. Whatever, blah, blah, blah. They're trying to rationalize it.

Cristina: Yeah, but did they watch those cameras or was that something that happened after.

Jack: That's way later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's way later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So again, they both go and investigate this woman, and there's nobody there. She's just gone around the corner.

Cristina: Okay, before you get to the next part though.

Jack: Got you.

Cristina: The cameras don't hear anything, don't see anything.

Jack: The cameras have no audio?

Cristina: No. Oh, they don't have audio.

Jack: Just video.

Cristina: Video. Okay. They didn't see the flash then the.

Jack: Flash never showed up.

Cristina: They just see these men running.

Jack: They just see these men running around the corner.

Cristina: That's it. Okay.

Jack: And both halls, the cameras around the corner.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Neither of their doors is visible to a camera. But the corner that they took off in, which also now that you bring this up, why did she happen to go in the direction both instances that there's a camera? Weird. I did not think about that before, but now I'm thinking about like she turned basically the identical corner, opposite sides, building.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that they would both be visible around the camera. What a weird coincidence. I didn't think about that before, but that's very ghostly.

Cristina: Like she's still. She's doing the same thing at the same time.

Jack: It would be very ghostly if it was in the same spot.

Cristina: Yes, that's true.

Jack: It. So it makes me so much more uncomfortable that this happened in two sides of the building. Because it would just be ghost story if it was in one spot.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that's way easier to digest.

Cristina: It's two spots.

Jack: Yes. This story makes me so uncomfortable because of like the middle ground between science and paranormal that's happening.

Cristina: Okay, what happens next?

Jack: Well, following these events on the 28th.

Cristina: That'S what like two days later.

Jack: No, actually this is the 27th. Yes. So they both saw the female roaming, crying, chase to investigate, whatever. And the next day on the 27th, the same event happens here.

Cristina: Lady scream.

Jack: They see and they hear crying.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Except this time only Ollie investigates. He's still like, there's. There's something weird, man. He's getting f***** with. His head is not right. He's like, dude, I gotta see. While Gerald continues to work. He's like, I am clearly losing my mind. It is the late nights doing this to me. I'm just gonna put my head down, keep working and ignore it. July 28, Gerald is reported missing. And he is never f****** found again.

Cristina: He's the one that stayed working.

Jack: He's the one who kept working. He is never found again. There's no trace of this person either.

Cristina: It's like ghosts are trying to help them escape the aliens. Or something.

Jack: Something, something is f****** happening.

Cristina: Trying to get them out of the room.

Jack: It's trying to get them. Yes, that's my same conclusion. Exactly right. That's my exact conclusion. There's something trying to get them out because whatever is in the room with them is worse.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's a f***** up story, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't know what's happening. And it's. It's legitimately scary. I'm telling you. Like, this is an uneasy situation. I don't easily get scared. I was looking for science and I found just something really uncomfortable. Really ridiculously uncomfortable.

Cristina: Yeah. This is so crazy.

Jack: And it's like I don't. I really don't know what to think so far, man. Because it feels like you go outside and you're safe.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: If you don't, you're just gone.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The very first instant somebody's gone. The only person who didn't investigate. Everybody continues investigating regularly. They're perfectly fine. But the moment they stop, gone without a f****** trace. What the h*** is happening?

Cristina: I don't know. Okay, so what happens next? Cuz there's one more guy. I'm assuming there's this pattern forming. He's gonna disappear. Right.

Jack: Well, first I want to really just try to understand this. There are patterns, but let's review the events. We hear a female scream and we have Ollie and Gerald go and investigate. They see nothing. Or maybe they investigate. I have. No, no, see, here's the problem. Unless we have to assume. We have to assume they investigated the first time and just didn't report on that. But they have to report everything they do so they wouldn't.

Cristina: You Said they did investigate the scream. I thought the only one that didn't investigate the scream was a lady.

Jack: Was that. Okay, so they did investigate the scream, Right?

Cristina: Yeah, they did.

Jack: No, because I know they all heard the scream.

Cristina: They investigate. They didn't. The first thing that happened was some sound. And they didn't investigate the sound.

Jack: Yes, that. My bad. That's okay. That's what I was trying to get to screw the scream. The sound. Yes. You see, this is my point. This is immediately f******. Because I'm trying to wrap my head around all of it. The sound. None of them investigated the sound?

Cristina: No.

Jack: None of them were missing or they all investigated the sound, didn't report on it. But they have to. That's sort of the rule here. They have to report on it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because everything else is reported on. We have to assume everything is reported on. The fact that there's no. Say I left my room and looked.

Cristina: Yeah. They just heard a sound, didn't investigate. Saw light, didn't investigate.

Jack: And nothing happened to them other than the first time with the sound. Them getting sick.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the pattern. There's no real pattern here.

Cristina: No.

Jack: It feels like there is. And then like really you look at it and there isn't. Because nobody investigated the sound. As far as we know.

Cristina: But that's probably why they got sick.

Jack: Why didn't anybody missing?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: And why didn't the sickness ever get mentioned again?

Cristina: I don't know. That's true.

Jack: Why? Why do we have two missing people without a trace? But then before. No. Unless it's the fact that all three of them didn't. Maybe one at a time. Because that's what happened with the scream. One of them didn't and then went missing. Then following again. One of them didn't and went missing. It's the only pattern we have. Whatever's taking them couldn't, in theory take all of them simultaneously. It could only take the straggler.

Cristina: Yes. So that means the guy that's by himself. There's no way.

Jack: Because he's the only one.

Cristina: Because he's only. Unless he runs out if something weird happens again. Unless nothing weird is gonna happen.

Jack: But also the facility is compartmentalized. Other than them running and crossing paths, they don't know s*** about anybody else.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So they're not even getting filled in about this other crap. They don't know what the h*** is happening. They don't even know this other chick is just missing.

Cristina: They must know that.

Jack: No. It's a really top secret part of the facility, they work on really secretive stuff.

Cristina: So some secret experiment is on the loose.

Jack: I mean, I guess it could in theory be that, but it doesn't seem like they're working on some kind of creature of any sort. It seems like, you know, maybe medicine or some s***, and they're just not revealing what it is.

Cristina: I don't know, like, the place in Resident Evil was doing medicine.

Jack: Yeah, but these reports are, like, full reports. They would be talking about, oh, the creature got out or something. Like, somebody would know.

Cristina: Oh, someone else would write that.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. It would make sense to some. Like, at some point, Something like somebody would be like, oh, well, we're not gonna talk about this because, you know, it was the f****** monster we made.

Cristina: Yeah. Just.

Jack: Just erase the thing. So nobody knows, you know? But the logs are still there. There were people confused, trying to investigate, even working there.

Jack: But, like, what the h*** is going on? Then we have an instance of sounds. What the f*** are the sounds? None of you could determine the sounds? Okay, whatever. So some sound sounds, strange sounds. Literally one of the quotes is strange sounds. Like, that's as much as they can get your scientists. What the h***? Yeah, strange sounds, okay, but dizziness and.

Cristina: Nausea, how would that happen?

Jack: And, like, all three of you, how would that happen? How the f*** was the sound then?

Cristina: It was, I don't know, strange enough to get them sick. What?

Jack: Interesting enough. I wanted to investigate the sound and found kind of a lot of stories about people feeling nausea and dizziness in different scenarios following a strange sound.

Cristina: Oh, my God.

Jack: Unrelated to this, just some whole other. I was like, what kind of sounds could cause that? And in typing, like, okay, sound that can cause dizziness and nausea.

Cristina: So it's a common thing?

Jack: Well, no, it's just all other weird.

Cristina: Oh, it's just weird stories?

Jack: Yeah, it was just weird, like, Reddit stories and s***. People like hearing sounds and then, oh, I'm sick suddenly. But these professional scientists all kind of wrote the same thing in, like, an official log, which then makes me question, like, these people on Reddit aren't that crazy. Maybe they really experience that s***, and we're just over here like, you're a f****** nutjob. But then these scientists are like, no, that really happened.

Cristina: But we can't even compare the sound with because we don't know what the f*** the sound is.

Jack: Weirdly enough, in these Reddit f****** stories, the same instant, a totally anomalous, indistinguishable sound leads to the nausea and dissonance.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They cannot tell what the sound is, but neither can these scientists. But the result is the same sickness or something. Yes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: My question is why this and then no result? And why the flash and no result? The only pattern is one of them didn't get involved.

Cristina: Yeah, so far that seems like the only pattern.

Jack: Yeah, but also, let's say ghosts. Then what the h*** with the sound and what the h*** with the flash? That's so alien.

Cristina: I don't know. Are you sure? I feel like if we investigate some.

Jack: Ghost stories, we'd find flashing lights and weird sounds. Yeah, probably. Yeah, yeah, yeah, probably. But then the problem with a ghost is the echo nature of it. It shouldn't be in three places at once. It should be in one spot repeating the same s***. Yeah, that kills the ghostliness.

Cristina: That's very strange.

Jack: Creepy a** story, right? Yeah, it's so messed up. Okay, so on the 28th, Gerald is reported missing and he is never heard of again. His report, just like Stephanie's, ends with him working, finishing the workday.

Cristina: That's it?

Jack: That's it. Just no more Gerald.

Cristina: Whoa. What's happening? Doesn't like you would expect that it would happen instantly, but no, they still finish the day off like nothing.

Jack: On the 29th, nothing. Nothing happened.

Cristina: Nothing happened.

Jack: Nothing happened. We have a bunch of days back to back, and then they have nothing.

Cristina: How long until something happens?

Jack: The 30th. Two days later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: On July 30th, a police report states a call came from Bioventus facility from an Ollie Austin claiming that the power to the building. It's a science facility, very important. It has backup generators.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The power to the building was cut off. Should not have happened to the entire building.

Cristina: To the entire building.

Jack: To the entire building. And then he was attacked. Everything got pitch black. Dark, dark, dark, dark. He can't see s***. And he was attacked.

Cristina: He told them he was attacked.

Jack: He told them he was attacked. And his lab was destroyed, but nothing was stolen.

Cristina: He lived, though, or did he disappear?

Jack: He's totally fine. He was just beat up.

Cristina: They got there, but the lights were working, weren't they?

Jack: When they got there, the lights were fine.

Cristina: The lights were fine. So he imagined it. Not imagined it, but what he was experiencing. The rest of the building wasn't like all the other events.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: These events are just happening to him.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes. Because later questioning of the janitor's report, none of this ever took place. Yeah, they didn't experience anything.

Cristina: And there's no way to know if there was anything in that room that destroyed it. It just Looks like he did it.

Jack: Yes. And the cameras, again, that did exist at no moment cut off and did not see any power outage.

Cristina: Okay, I didn't see him being attacked or anything, but he was in the room while it happened.

Jack: He was in the room while it happened?

Cristina: Yes, while it happened. He didn't hear a sound or flash or anything.

Jack: No lights go out. Something f***** him up.

Cristina: And the whole room.

Jack: Yeah, something destroyed that room. S*** was thrown everywhere and broken everywhere.

Cristina: But when they investigate, like how he's hurt and whatever, does it look like he did it to himself or does it look like he was attacked?

Jack: It looks like he was attacked. Okay, now because here's the craziest part about this. Why the. Why his work?

Cristina: What is his work?

Jack: What is his work? At no point is it specified what his work is. Again, there's a bunch of classified s*** happening in there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now we come back to what you were talking about. I don't think something broke out, but definitely they were working on something maybe they shouldn't have and something with much more power decided, this is probably a bad idea. Now I kind of come back to aliens. But then, what the f*** is with the crying lady? Now the sounds and the flashing lights are just aliens. Like, stop f****** doing what you're doing. But then what's up with the lady? Yeah, and if they're all working on different things, what the f***?

Cristina: Why are they being attacked?

Jack: Why did two of them go missing? And why was his lab destroyed?

Cristina: Yeah, but does he end up going missing? Is this the end of the story? This isn't.

Jack: No, this isn't the end of the story. He's perfectly fine other than getting beat up. I said he's totally fine.

Cristina: He's still gonna work late, though. After this moment, he's like, yeah, whatever. I survived. I'm gonna continue working late.

Jack: Sure, why not?

Cristina: What?

Jack: Sure, why not?

Cristina: Sure, why not?

Jack: Yeah, of course he didn't go back to the building. What? Of course. That's crazy.

Cristina: Okay? Wondering, like, all these other events and he was like, whatever, I' continue working.

Jack: Yeah, but now he got. He has physical proof.

Cristina: Okay. And then he finally stops.

Jack: Yeah, obviously no human after that point is gonna be, like, nuts. Totally in my head. I'm going back to my facility. What is he gonna work on if his s*** is destroyed? Yeah, what is he going back to? Nothing. There's nothing. There's nothing. It's all destroyed. His lab is destroyed. He got beat up. There's no reason for him to go back. Except he does. But not Even the work. Because on August 3, a police report claims that.

Cristina: What did he do? He burned the building. Now.

Jack: Well, he called claiming he was being followed. Oh, yeah.

Cristina: And his. Before he got to the building or when he went back to the building? Like, why did he go back to the building?

Jack: Well, that's unclear until we get to August 4th, where there's a police report claiming that they got a call from Bioventus, from one of the janitors. Okay, this is where this breaks down so hard, and I'm traumatized.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: So Ollie Austin is found dead. He's not missing. He's found dead.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Totally mutilated, but he did it to himself. He's covered in blood, and his notes are written on the walls, crazy person style, okay? In scientific notation using both pencil and blood. And his own blood, of course. Yep. What the f***?

Cristina: And the two other bodies? No, there's no.

Jack: There's no other bodies.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Like, I thought eventually they'd find those bodies.

Jack: No, no, no. I said specifically. These people were never found.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They were never found. They cease to exist to this day.

Cristina: I don't understand why he was different.

Jack: I don't understand either. I don't understand why any situ. There's no pattern.

Cristina: There really is no pattern.

Jack: There's no pattern. Random horror s*** going on.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What the f*** is happening in this building, bro?

Cristina: Yeah. Did anyone piece what he was writing or whatever?

Jack: It's just his notes. It's just the work he was doing.

Cristina: Just work. Oh, okay.

Jack: Just the work he was doing what?

Cristina: In his room, though, in the hallway? Like, where was he found exactly?

Jack: He was found in his lab.

Cristina: In his lab, which.

Jack: There was no reason for him to go back. There was nothing in his lab. It was all destroyed.

Cristina: When he was being followed. He was calling from the building, though.

Jack: I'm unclear on that. It just says that. There's a report saying that he was being followed. I think headed towards the building.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: We're leaving the building. I'm not entirely sure it was the previous day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, Ollie's last log from this night claimed to have met a fellow scientist.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Again, this story makes me so uncomfortable. Keep in mind, there's no reason for him to be in the building.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's no reason for him to make a log.

Cristina: But he does.

Jack: But he does. On the fourth, he makes a log like nothing happened. Normal. Just normal. Everyday thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Ollie's last log claims that he met a Stephanie Ramirez in the hallways and that was it. That's the lady who went missing.

Cristina: I know that. I know that, but. And.

Jack: And they both searched for the source of a scream. The end.

Cristina: The end.

Jack: The end.

Cristina: That's such a horror story.

Jack: So he met somebody who was missing that he had never met before.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Looked for a scream with her. With her. That is very similar to what he experienced with Gerald.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: He doesn't report whether you found anything or anything. It's just. He's just found f****** self mutilated dead. There's nobody else of these two individuals ever found. Janitors experienced anything. Camera' caught nothing. The end.

Cristina: It makes no sense.

Jack: Incredibly uneasy. This story makes me.

Cristina: That's the end of the story.

Jack: That's the end of the story. There's nothing else on this.

Cristina: I don't understand.

Jack: I don't understand either.

Cristina: And people still work at this building. This building's still a building that's being used to do stuff in.

Jack: Yeah. So on official reports, this is put down. Now the two missing people are again, there's no body, there's no nothing. There's different claims. There's no death.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So whatever. Scientists working on crazy s***, they run away all the time. Maybe they're working on something they shouldn't have. Whatever. So these reports are easy. The Ollie one, you know, scientist loses his mind, you know, takes his own life type s***. Okay, so none of the other scientists who also don't know any of the other scientists other than the people who work in their respective labs have anything to fear about coming back to work. It looks on paper like scientists down the hall working on something crazy went crazy. Typical science. Okay, the people, this, Ali's personal team, they have their own notes. They just rebuild and work.

Cristina: Okay, well, but like after this, no one stayed late in that building. These are the only scientists who ever stay late in that building.

Jack: There were other scientists that stayed late around this period. Is just these three people.

Cristina: Just these three people that experienced these events?

Jack: No, it's just these three people who are single at the point where these events were happening.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: July and August of 2012.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Only these three sciences were regularly sting late.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: And obviously before and after crap ton of scientists, I'm sure have stayed late. But there's nothing if they have, there's nothing related to this.

Cristina: I don't understand what this story is.

Jack: I don't either. The fact that it's so unclear is what makes it horrible, horrifying. We can't just be like, oh, it's a ghost. That's what's scary about the story.

Cristina: I don't. Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, it's. I don't know where to point. I don't know what to think. That's what makes it so uneasy. Was it aliens? Was it. Was it ghosts? What the h*** is going on?

Cristina: Yes. Like he sees the girl and she's like, hey, I heard that sound too.

Jack: Yes. What now? Who. What the. Is the girl sound? What's the screaming woman thing?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: So many parts. Flashing lights, anomalous sounds, screaming. Two missing people and a person who hurt themselves after they were attacked and the lab was destroyed. What is the line that cuts through all of this?

Cristina: Is there an. I don't know. There's no explanation.

Jack: Just random s*** that happens for two months.

Cristina: That's so weird because there's other people there too. The janitors, you say? And nothing.

Jack: The janitors were in the building late.

Cristina: Yeah. And nothing.

Jack: Nothing.

Cristina: What could have happened?

Jack: And the theories just conspiracy nonsense. And the official explanations are for this, for Ollie is that scientists went crazy. And for Stephanie and Gerald are they potentially ran away because they're working on some thing that they shouldn't have or they stole data to go sell or whatever the case because it's again, a bunch of classified stuff. And this kind of stuff typically happens where somebody takes a thing. You could sell it for a crap ton of money. Just leave the country, give to like China or something. There's a bunch of that going on.

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know. This is such a weird story. So weird. No good explanation.

Jack: No good explanation.

Cristina: What? It's just so weird. Just trying to understand the story is hard.

Jack: Yeah, it's weird and choppy. There's no, like, what does this have to relate with that. Yeah, that's all we need to do in this.

Cristina: This. Holes everywhere.

Jack: Yes, exactly. If. If one thing was consistent.

Cristina: The time is consistent.

Jack: The time is consistent. But what the h*** does that mean?

Cristina: Does that mean.

Jack: What the h*** does that mean?

Cristina: Alien.

Jack: What is 8:32? Well, no, the time is very ghost. Aliens do crap at the same time. Ghost do, because echo, it's the same thing at the same time. That checks out with ghost and the like crying lady. Very typical ghost s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even the scream. We could chalk off the ghost s***.

Cristina: Yeah, a lot of it is ghostly. But at the same time. No, because it's all happening at the same time.

Jack: Yes, but like, I think this leans harder to ghosts than anything else too.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like we have to say we have to break some ghost rules here. In order to keep a ghost. The fact that it's not an isolated direction, but rather somehow outside everybody's door. I don't know why, but it's. It's the case.

Cristina: Yeah. Just a ghost that's doing the same thing to everyone around it first. But only specifically these three scientists.

Jack: Yes, because that's weird. Yes, because the janitor's there too.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And a ghost wouldn't give a. With somebody working on. Yeah, like, unless these things led to somebody's death. Interesting.

Cristina: That could be something.

Jack: And then this is a revenge ghost. But again, all three. It breaks down because all three projects are different.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: They aren't working on the same thing.

Cristina: But it only happens in the room.

Jack: And it only happens in the room. Nothing happens outside the room.

Cristina: Except when he met Stephanie. That was outside the room.

Jack: Yes. And when they followed the girl around the corner. Yes, that happened inside the room.

Cristina: They saw her, but they weren't in the hallway at the same time as her. At least I don't think, like they saw her turn that corner. But they weren't, were they? Did they?

Jack: Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. I'm assuming they saw her turn the corner, but they actually saw her walk past her door and they run outside. And there's only one direction she could have gone around the corner.

Cristina: Yeah. So it seems like so far everything.

Jack: Has happened from inside the room.

Cristina: Yes. Except for that last part.

Jack: Unless they never left the room.

Cristina: Unless he never left the room.

Jack: Unless he never left the room.

Cristina: Which makes also sense.

Jack: That means he's going crazy in that room. Which would also explain the self mutilation. And he tore apart the room.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So the assumption here is none of this is happening. All of this is in their head. Easy to say ghost. Easy to say alien because you don't need anything else. It's all in their heads.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But then the problem again, everything has. There's a hole being poked by the story at all times. Yes, because what the h*** happens to the other two?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Why? What decided who gets taken and how? So if none of them really ran outside, because it's all happening in their heads, why did she go first? Why did he go second? Why didn't he go at all? There's like, rules and the rules break themselves.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. Like, some of it makes sense, but then. Yeah, it doesn't make sense, really.

Jack: No, it doesn't. This is probably the most horrifying thing I've ever read because of how confusing it is. It's kind of like when you first watch Paranormal Activity without knowing that it's totally bullshit.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And you're like, what the f*** is happening? It can't.

Cristina: It feels like it's happening in their rooms, though. But it's weird because none of their rooms are next to each other, either exact. Well, that's the only explanation. It's just something that's in the room.

Jack: Yes. Now, when Geralt and Ollie ran outside their rooms. Here's the problem. They logged that and they talked to each other. They met the other person.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Alternatively, maybe they f****** didn't because Ollie met somebody who's been missing.

Cristina: That's true. So they might not have met each other.

Jack: You see why this story immediately gets even more uneasy?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then if he didn't meet Geralt when he ran outside and Geralt didn't meet Ollie, what the f*** did they see? Because it's just as likely that it wasn't. Because, again, Ollie met Stephanie, who's been missing. So you didn't really need Stephanie for Ollie to meet Stephanie, which means you don't really need Geralt for Ollie.

Cristina: They might not have ever left the room.

Jack: Never left the room.

Cristina: It's just like that's where their mind took them. If that's what's happening. But who knows?

Jack: But, you know, they could have just been going crazy and there's something making them go crazy.

Cristina: Whatever that first event was that made them feel sick.

Jack: Yes. Interesting angle to take, because maybe there's some toxin in the building. But again, the problem is it's. Janitor. Yes. Maybe there's vents. No, because it would lead everywhere. Vents would lead everywhere. Why would the vents only lead to their rooms and not to the hallways?

Cristina: That's true. Maybe this is some revenge story. Maybe there is this evil scientist guy who's like, I gotta get rid of these scientist people.

Jack: It could totally be. It could totally be that they are being poisoned. Because again, it seems to be happening in their rooms.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So something could have been put in their rooms. But then why three different scientists working on different things? These three scientists must have had a connection to one individual.

Cristina: Yes, because they are working with each other. Even if they're not really working with each other, they're.

Jack: They work for the same company.

Cristina: Yes, that's it. Yes. But there's gotta be some connection. They know each other. Not know each other, but, like, by. Like, I know this scientist who knows that scientist who knows that one who knows you.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: They have connected in some way.

Jack: Yeah, like seven degrees of separation.

Cristina: Exactly. So there has to be someone that knows all three of them.

Jack: I guess. But then what's up with that?

Cristina: I don't know. Because we still have two people that are missing.

Jack: Yes. We got two people that are missing. This story is messed up because a guy met somebody who's missing, which takes away. No. Okay. No, it can't be. It can't be. It can't be. And I'm gonna tell you why this is broken. We're not even thinking about it. And it's the most obvious part. How is he gonna go crazy and report the exact name of somebody missing who he's never met?

Cristina: He has to have heard about the name. There's no way he didn't hear about the missing people in the building. Even if he doesn't know those people, there's no way no one was talking about the missing people.

Jack: Okay, let me break this conclusion for you. How did Gerald meet Ollie and Ollie meet Gerald and they report having met each other.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You see the problem?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There was nobody missing out of those two.

Cristina: No.

Jack: They were in the building at the.

Cristina: Same time they were.

Jack: And they allegedly met.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: According to their own notes.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they confirm each other by name. Did they not meet? And how the f*** did they get the name? Right. But that means they did leave the rooms. Unless they didn't. But how the h*** did they. So then we're back to ghost. How is this ghost pretending to be the opposite person being in the room? And like, what's happening in the room?

Cristina: Or if it's aliens and they're not really in the hallways in those moments, but like in the spaceship next to each other. They just don't know it.

Jack: Oh. Oh, I didn't think about that at all. This is during the abduction. The whole everything is happening in the building is also part of the illusion.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They made up the building in your mind after they took you out of it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or before they took you out of it. They project the building. They take you. You don't realize you're gone. And maybe you're connected to a Matrix esque thing that's showing you the building.

Cristina: Man, that kind of makes sense.

Jack: Yeah. So then we're back to. You see how crazy this is? And it jumps from aliens to go back and forth and it's like we don't know what the h***'s going on.

Cristina: Well. But the alien ones kind of make sense. Yeah.

Jack: Now we're starting to ground it a little. Right? Yeah. We're bringing our job. Look, the Internet has struggled with this one, we're bringing it home.

Cristina: But they brought it to aliens, too.

Jack: They brought it to aliens. Yeah. That was the main conclusion. Everybody went to aliens.

Cristina: It's hard because. Yeah, like aliens. Because, yes, they. They're doing more than just taking you to their ship. They've got. If they got technology to have a ship in the first place, they can have an illusion.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. They can have a super. So the fact that they traversed space at all, they have a super sophisticated projection that could convince the f*** out of you, there's no question.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They need enough energy to traverse space.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They can convincingly project the universe.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They have to be able to. That's way less energy. It takes way less energy to do that. You just gotta fool somebody's senses. That's it.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. So.

Jack: And maybe the weird sound and the weird flashes are. Because Maybe it's not a. Maybe it's not a perfect illusion.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: These are just the cracks.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The glitches here and there.

Cristina: Yeah. And the lady screaming could have been stuffing it. She just didn't know.

Jack: Yes. Yes. And somehow the feedback came back to her too.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Because she's also in some weird. Whatever they're in. In that moment.

Jack: Yes. Yes.

Cristina: Feel right? I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. Well, point is, the s*** makes me hella uneasy. It's so weird. It's a very horrifying story.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What, and it had nothing to do with science?

Cristina: No.

Jack: This story was me trying to replicate the cola. Super deep borehole. And, you know, weird science crap, I can investigate. But no, it didn't take me to weird science crap. It took me to scientists experiencing weird crap.

Cristina: The weirdest.

Jack: The weirdest, weirdest crap. And also, no. It's so tame. But something about the tameness is more horrible.

Cristina: It builds up to something horrifying.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah, it definitely escalated with time.

Cristina: Yeah. Like that ending. What?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Also the missing people and, like, haunting itself.

Jack: Why did he meet a missing person? Why did he meet a missing person? Why did he paint the walls with his equations? That's another, like, weird. Like, what, dude?

Cristina: Because he was still working. I guess it makes it feel like aliens. Feels like he.

Jack: He's on autopilot.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh, there's nothing in the lab. So he's still working. Malfunction. That's so much scarier, bro. Like, his body is still. But that means he's still in the room and not connected to some s***.

Cristina: Yeah, because he malfunctioned. They put something in him. They investigate that body okay, so the.

Jack: Theory here would be the events happened of him getting abducted and whatever. And then they put him back. But they put him back broken. And then he continued to work on nothing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And covered the walls with his blood and pencil notations of all his equations.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because he's broken now.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And he killed him. I don't know why he killed himself in the process, but. Because he's broken.

Cristina: Because he's broken. Yeah. And they probably killed the other two. I don't know why. Or maybe they're not dead. No, because he saw her. So he might have saw her. Seen her when he was up there with them.

Jack: Yes. So they're just missing. They got abducted. Why didn't he? Why was he useless?

Cristina: Because he was broken. That's why they put him back. And then he killed himself.

Jack: There was something already wrong with him that they could tell.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: While the other two. There was nothing wrong with them. They could keep these. These are the good hosts. Let's keep them. That guy's no good. Return him, and then that whole thing happens. Yeah, I guess. I guess it checks out to some degree. I guess the Internet figured it out then. Tin foil hat was the way to go.

Cristina: Yeah, maybe.

Jack: I mean, it's the closest.

Cristina: It's the closest. I guess. Like, it's just such random.

Jack: Yes, it's. But if we talk glitch. And so the first couple of instances are just a. Faulty. They're establishing. They're starting to establish the signal that's gonna trap these people. That's why nobody went missing initially. You know, there's a couple of days between one point and another at the beginning, and then. Okay, consecutive days of crap happening, and the aliens are consistently picking at them, and then. Oh, no, that one's faulty. We can't seem to work around his problems. Leave that guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The other two people must have been fine. But also, why do you need one at a time? Why is it only the one who stayed behind?

Cristina: Why is the only one that stayed behind?

Jack: Yeah. When she stayed behind, she got abducted. When he stayed behind, he got abducted. But then there's only one person. He's the last one. Did they want the people who didn't give a f***? She only got taken once she stopped. Well, she never gave a f***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or was too scared to do anything. And boom. Scooped up the other guy when he investigated. Nothing. But when he didn't. Gone. Why is it necessary that they don't? There's so many f****** holes, man.

Cristina: Maybe he was just not ready. Maybe they were Experimenting on them and like it didn't really matter who came first or not. Like they could have done it all at the same time.

Jack: It just happened to be coincidence that she stayed, then he stayed.

Cristina: Yeah, but maybe. I don't know. It's so weird. I don't know. There's so much weirdness happening.

Jack: Yep. So that's the Bioventus missing person's case.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: What? Not even that long ago, huh?

Jack: Not even that long ago. 2012. Well, 10 years ago.

Cristina: 10 years ago. Yeah. But stuff could happen like that again in that place. There's gonna be another scientist who's gonna stay.

Jack: There have been scientists who stayed late. Oh, this has only happened in that period, then over again. And some of this is piece from police reports. So. Yeah. Interesting.

Cristina: No, very interesting.

Jack: Very strange and very horrifying. One of the few things that has made me uneasy and it's because it's hard to like follow, sit together. It's so problematic.

Cristina: There's a story there. It's just like, what?

Jack: What is. Yeah, there's clearly a story. What is it? You know, that's real question.

Cristina: It's really happening. Is there something really happening?

Jack: I don't know, but yeah. So what do you think? Crazy, right?

Cristina: That is crazy. I don't understand.

Jack: Neither do I. So look, you've got a couple of creepy things here and there, you know, there's my breakdown of my personal creepy experiences relative to Clinton Road and trying to understand that and like bubble universes and whatever. So you can find all that stuff. We've got. There's a. Actually this is right up our alley. There's a bunch of horror s*** all over the place and a bunch of like weird instances and crap everywhere and creatures and like whatever you find all of that. All that. And if you need clips and crap, if you want to talk to us, you want to ask us questions or you want to have a converse, maybe you know something about this. Like, fill us. Fill in the blanks for us. You can find us to have those conversations on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram at justconvopod.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe and review the show.

Jack: Yes. Do all those things. Mainly review the show. Leave us some stars.

Cristina: Yes. And emojis. Always ghosts.

Jack: Yeah. Or alien.

Cristina: Or alien. I guess. Whichever you think happened.

Jack: Yeah, I guess I don't even.

Cristina: Ghosts coming out of alien ships. I don't know. Yeah, it's both. Alien. Ghost. Yeah.

Jack: And you know, let someone who might like the show know about it. Tell them, tell them if they like weird mysteries, if they like solving mysteries. This is like the mother of mysteries, bro.

Cristina: This is an unsolvable mystery.

Jack: This is unsolvable as h*** because there's too many parts missing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We literally don't have witnesses. We have footage saying none of this has ever happened. We got people in the building simultaneously who didn't experience any of it. And once the people left their rooms, they also had nothing to claim. Yeah, only while in their rooms. So, like, there's too many pieces missing. But if your homies like to solve mysteries, this is up there with, like, big problems to solve that you say like Bigfoot.

Cristina: Okay, I guess that's.

Jack: That's an overpowered mystery that no one has ever solved.

Cristina: Yeah, solve that one, too. This has been the right rambling podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening. Bye. Tiny.

Jack: It's about the size, relatively speaking. Our actual planet size is about the size that Puerto Rico is to Earth is all we are to all of us. To the entire planet. Yes. So what Puerto Rico on our maps is to our observable planet is the size of the us to the actual planet.

Cristina: Man, I wish I could see that. That's a really ridiculous picture.

Jack: Crazy visual. Yeah. But it's more or less that same. It is a globe we're on. Like, the Earth isn't flat, it's round.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But the part of it that we exist on is quite arguably pretty flat, considering how much you got to go before you hit curvature, because it's so.

Cristina: It's so tiny.

Jack: It's a small section of something huge. So the curvature is so vastly flat that you wouldn't be able to tell.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

July 25, 2020

JCP 4.07 The Criminal Code & Street Politics

July 25, 2020/ GreyThoughts.Info

The Just Conversation Podcast, The Criminal Code, Street Politics, Police, Law, Crime, Cartoon, Animation, Rap, Rapping, Rapper

Guest Kenny from Criminal Code TV joins Jack to discuss everything from the prison life, legalization of marijuana and social politics.

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