Rambling 207: New Years Eve Worldometer

How’d catching Santa go? What has happened in 2022? Does the future have the technology to reverse cryostasis? The duo discuss the outcome of their attempt at catching Santa and look through the worldometer.

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Topics Discussed:

  • Failed at catching Santa
  • The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo
  • A Briefcase in Pulp Fiction
  • Cat people in the future
  • Jesus Christ Time Machine
  • Worldometers.info

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we've got humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I am Jack.

Cristina: And I am Christina.

Jack: And we're your glorious hosts. And we're gonna host a lovely show for tonight. Earned this after. I love when people say that. We got a great show for you tonight. It's like, we got it. We gotta show. Whether it's great or not is up to you to decide. I'm not choosing if it's great or.

Cristina: Not for you, and you're not choosing whether it's night or not.

Jack: I'm not choosing what time of day you decided to consume this, bro. But like, I guess in the past, people used to control that part of our lives. Yeah, it's like, if you want to watch my f****** show, you tune in whenever the. I said you.

Cristina: Except you don't choose that either. The person saying that isn't choosing the time his show is on.

Jack: No, he's just like, I got the best offer by the station. Yeah, I'm gonna take it. No way. There's no way. So today is an amazing day because today we are. You know what we're doing today?

Cristina: Talking about what happened on Christmas.

Jack: Yes. But what is today?

Cristina: New Year's? Is it New Year's Eve?

Jack: New Year's Eve. Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.

Cristina: What?

Jack: So we got some exciting stuff to talk about. But before we get to that exciting stuff, we got math, by the way. It's very exciting.

Cristina: We have math. That does not sound exciting.

Jack: Numbers. Everybody loves numbers.

Cristina: Love it.

Jack: But before we get to this exciting numbers, we do have to talk about what happened with our plan to catch Santa Claus clause. So let's recap the extent of everything we decided this Christmas. What we wanted for Christmas was Santa Claus. So we'll know. Listen to me.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Is Santa Claus. So we decide we're gonna wish, like, he's a genie for a present, which is Jesus cryogenically frozen Jesus Christ, which isn't a thing, but okay. It's okay. We have time. We send Santa the letter. We then dust off our time machine and we go to the past and we wait for the crucifixion. When he's crucified, we take him off the cross and we cryogenically put him in stasis and leave him where he was already going to be. Then we close the cave. Santa then finds Jesus and brings him. He finds him in the present, because we asked for the present. And then he brings Jesus cryogenically in stasis to us. And with this, we have now brought both Jesus, which we could have kept before, and Santa to us. Except the biggest hole of all in this plan is that everything in the present. Santa Claus knows, because that's like his big overpowered trick.

Cristina: He knew we were being naughty.

Jack: He knew we made this plan because duh. And he knows we went to the past and he saw us do everything with Jesus. Then he saw us disappear and reappear. Now he has perfect memory of that entire time having happened. And then he sees us make the wish. So from. For him, he. He remembers all of this already. He's like, oh, yeah, those people who put him in the thing. You can wish for him.

Cristina: We can actually do that part at least.

Jack: What? Bring him?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yes. We have Jesus.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We have no Santa.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: We have no Santa. There's no way to catch him, because he knew. He knew all along, of course.

Cristina: His parents were good enough for him to bring Jesus to us, but not good enough for him to stick around.

Jack: We're good to the world. We are important to the world.

Cristina: But then why didn't he want to stay around so we can catch him?

Jack: He doesn't want to be caught.

Cristina: Well, maybe not catch. He could have had a conversation.

Jack: Look, this show is so easy for him to just, like, sidestep that he sees us the way he sees everybody else. He's just measuring us by those same metrics, I suppose.

Cristina: But he still gave us Jesus.

Jack: Yes. He's not saying we're bad. Why? Because you're trying to catch him? It's not bad.

Cristina: It's not good.

Jack: That's neutral. It's not gonna, like, tip anything in any direction.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: He thinks giving us Jesus was a good idea.

Jack: I don't think.

Cristina: He doesn't care.

Jack: Why would he care? It's just wasted time, you know?

Cristina: Well, whatever.

Jack: We got Jesus, we have Jesus. That's great. We can at least study him. That's fascinating, except that we got to.

Cristina: Travel to the future to get him and frozen.

Jack: Yeah, we. We still successfully put him in cryostasis and have not.

Cristina: He has to stay there.

Jack: Yeah, so we don't really have Jesus. We. We have him, but there's nothing we could do do without the potential of killing him in the process.

Cristina: Yep. So we gotta do something about that. We're not done.

Jack: We're not done. We created a problem that we need to solve, and we don't have the Result of why we created the problem.

Cristina: But then, like, okay, now I'm not really sure what to do with Jesus, because in the future, we know cat people have taken over, so even if they have the technology to unfreeze Jesus, why would they do that?

Jack: I totally brought this up before.

Cristina: You did.

Jack: I did. I totally did. I'm like, why would they help us?

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: What, did they catch us?

Cristina: What if they cut? Exactly. Oh, crap.

Jack: But, like, also, I had a plan.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We don't actually know if the future is still the same.

Cristina: But what do we do if it is?

Jack: Come back, scoop out the place, obviously.

Cristina: Yeah, but like, then we just have.

Jack: I mean, you and I haven't used the time machine other than for Jesus.

Jack: And we haven't gone forward other than to now from where we went back to.

Cristina: Yeah, so. But if we go to the future, I mean, I guess then we'd have to wait until we solve the cat thing to take Jesus to the future anyway.

Jack: What if we find out that we don't solve the cat thing?

Cristina: I don't know. We just keep Jesus the way he has. He's just a trophy.

Jack: And then never go to the future.

Cristina: No, we still go to the future to see. But if it's not.

Jack: If it's overtaken by cat people.

Cristina: Yeah, we do nothing. We can't do anything.

Jack: Except we can't be seen there either.

Cristina: Yeah, we're not going ourselves. We have people for that.

Jack: You're right. But they can't come back and report anything if they get caught. Still look human.

Cristina: We give it a time. Like, okay, if you're not back in an hour, we know you've been captured. Then we give them those pills that they fight into and kill themselves. Also.

Jack: This is crazy. No, because with a time machine, until we could choose when you come back to any time travel that doesn't feel instant to the waiting party is f****** bullshit. Right? That's a lie. It's stupid. It's like I'm a. I'm a. I have a time machine, right? I have a time machine and I'm gonna go back in time 10 days. But is it just I got to choose the amount of time in some dial that I just increase or reduce. I can't type in days. And if I did type in days at exactly 24, I can never break a day in half. No, I should be able to choose any time. You know how far back based on our own metrics. We design the metrics so time machine should be able to navigate backwards in time. Evenly. So I tell it I want to go back, you know, three days and I go back and from back there I decide, okay, I'm gonna go forward. When you can go forward. Are you? No. Because you chose time going backwards. So you should in theory be able to choose time going forward. It's not just a unanimous. I had to only put days. So I moved exactly 48 hours backwards or 72 hours backwards.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So I have to move. It only moves in these increments. So I have to move seven days. So if I took three days over here, then when I go over here, it's been three days. No, that doesn't make any sense. I should be able to pick the moment.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why wouldn't I just pick the moment I left like a second later?

Cristina: Yeah. It should be like, that's how we know something went wrong. If they disappear and that's it.

Jack: No, I know, it's 100%. If they don't show up instantly, we know something. My question is, in every thing all media ever created about time travel, why are people waiting for the person that left?

Cristina: Because the person doesn't know the exact time to return. I don't know. The person decides to be dramatic and like, I want to return five minutes.

Jack: After the moment, but it'll be like days or some s***, a couple of hours or something. And it's like, what, dude?

Cristina: Maybe they got the map wrong. Maybe there's some math involved to do it correct and they just got it wrong. Days, that's crazy. If it's like a few minutes, it's like on purpose. I think that's on purpose. You're just being mean.

Jack: If it's day, if it's minutes.

Cristina: Yeah. You're just like, I want them to believe I'm dead. I'm not dead. Hahaha. No.

Jack: Yeah. Because if they're not instantly back, you're like, what the f***?

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. In the time machine, I think it was like that though. Whenever he went back, it was instant and he would just go tell everyone, this is what I did. Hahaha. And look at my. Listen to my adventures and whatever.

Jack: But there's no way they could believe.

Cristina: Him until he never comes back. I don't think he goes back.

Jack: No. He just gets lost forever.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. So eventually they just. That's it, that's the end of his story. I guess for them they have to believe him. Or I guess they could have think he killed himself. He went crazy after his wife died and killed himself.

Jack: To be fair, he did go crazy. After his wife died. That is essentially what the story is about.

Cristina: Yes. And that's what they must believe. What else would you believe? Unless you believe his stories of the time traveling.

Jack: Which way? Crazy.

Cristina: Yes. You know, they have the machine. It seems like, I guess it's too complicated for anyone to work it out. Like it just looks like trash to them. And they're like, yeah, he totally just killed him. So this is garbage. What is this thing? Because they have the time machine right there. Like if they were curious enough. Yeah, you think? Doesn't he have an assistant? Why didn't he learn how to use it?

Jack: Interesting point.

Cristina: Maybe he did kill himself. Okay, the time machine is a lie. It's just trashing himself. It was art.

Jack: There's an assistant who just doesn't know anything. Suddenly the assistant killed him.

Cristina: The assistant killed him? Yes. He saw he was going crazy and felt bad.

Jack: And maybe he felt in danger. Maybe he was next in line to have all the stuff because he, you know.

Cristina: Yeah, but if he believes him, why, like, why wouldn't he use it? He should have also. He should have been the next person to disappear.

Jack: I bet that's the thing. I bet the time machine creator's apprentice is a story.

Cristina: Oh, maybe I'm not gonna look it.

Jack: Up, but yeah, who gives a s***? It's totally a thing.

Cristina: It's not important.

Jack: Yeah, and if not, somebody better make that thing. The Time Machine Inventor's Apprentice. There's so many things. The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo.

Cristina: How is that anything?

Jack: Blob at the top of the hill. Like all these dumb names, very long title descriptions. Yeah, it's like totally a description for the most part. Like a weird almost.

Cristina: How do you know this main character is important? Imagine if she didn't have a dragon tattoo.

Jack: That name would make would be cooler at that point. Cuz it'd be like, I wonder, what's the dragon tattoo? I wonder what's with the name.

Cristina: Wait, if it was still called the.

Jack: Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, there'd be so much intrigue about looking for the dragon tattoo.

Cristina: That's never mentioned at all.

Jack: Never mentioned.

Cristina: But then would you assume the main character has it even though no one has ever said anything?

Jack: You could. That's it. That's fat.

Cristina: Unless they say. Unless someone points out, like, and she doesn't have tattoos. Because then you know, oh, okay, this girl doesn't have tattoos. So why is this title called that?

Jack: Yeah, no, that's a valid point. Like, look, I. I think it would think about. We haven't even Seen this? Think about how interesting. Have you seen this?

Cristina: I don't remember. I might have. I don't remember.

Jack: Well, I haven't seen it and like, you don't even remember it. I haven't seen it. But think about how much more interesting this already is we're talking about. Like, is who. Who has it? Then who has the tattoo? Why is the name the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo? She's not the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. Did she meet a girl who has a dragon tattoo?

Cristina: I know she's reading a book and the book is called A Girl Dragon Tattoo. Oh, what a corny. I don't know.

Jack: Fascinating, right?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I think. No, that's the way to go.

Cristina: That's the way to go.

Jack: It's like the briefcase in Pulp Fiction. That makes it interesting. Now you're wondering, but it's not called.

Cristina: A briefcase in Pulp Fiction.

Jack: First, if it was called a briefcase in Pulp Fiction, my biggest question would be, what the f*** is Pulp Fiction? Are they in Pulp Fiction? Is that the name of this town or location we are. Are they in Pulp Fiction?

Cristina: I think they're in Pulp Fiction.

Jack: Briefcase in. Is is their situation called Pulp Fiction?

Cristina: What does Pulp Fiction mean?

Jack: I don't know, dude.

Cristina: There's a type of. I thought that was a genre or something. It sounds like one.

Jack: It.

Cristina: It could because it's fiction, but I don't know what the pulp.

Jack: It's thick fiction. It's a pulpy. Like if you had orange. Fresh squeezed juice. You can have somebody strain your fresh squeezed orange juice and it's just fresh squeezed orange juice. Or you could have it squeezed but not strained so that it's pulpy orange juice with chunks of the orange.

Cristina: Have you actually seen Pulp Fiction?

Jack: I've seen Pulp Fiction.

Cristina: Do you know what it's about?

Jack: I don't remember.

Cristina: You just know there's a briefcase?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Does anyone say Pulp Fiction?

Jack: I doubt anybody says Pulp Fiction. The main character's name is Pulp Fiction.

Cristina: His name is Pulp Fiction.

Jack: First name Pulp. Last name Fiction.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: No, look, because it would be a briefcase in Pulp Fiction. That. No, it doesn't work.

Cristina: Why not? What if there is a beer briefcase inside him and you don't even know?

Jack: So we're not even. We're thinking about the wrong briefcase.

Cristina: Exactly. Yes.

Jack: It's like the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. We don't actually see what's being mentioned even if we think it is.

Cristina: Maybe she has it in her mouth and then you see it every time she talks.

Jack: Then she Does a little hiss every time. But what does pulp Fiction mean?

Cristina: I don't know. It means something.

Jack: I don't know. I'm sure I think you're kind of right. All things considered, it probably means something like juicy fiction, thick fic fiction.

Cristina: Pulp fiction are books about imaginary characters and events produced in large qualities, quantities and intended to be read by many people, but are not considered to be very good quality. And there's like, examples, but the only one I can send that sounds familiar is the Da Vinci Code.

Jack: What was the description again?

Cristina: It is about imaginary characters and events produced in large quantities and intended to be read by many people, but are considered to be very. Not considered to be very good quality.

Jack: So they're just intentionally, like mediocre books that are essentially just kind of pass the time.

Cristina: Yes. So I guess. I guess, like, there's nothing amazing about this fiction, but everyone's reading it for some reason.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting.

Cristina: Wonder if Twilight counts as pulp fiction. No. Unless it has to be imaginary characters and events. I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: I think. I think that works. I think Twilight is definitely in there, but. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. So it is New Year's. We failed to catch in Santa. We got ourselves a Jesus we could do nothing with because we'll kill him if we try to do him or whatever. Uncryo him.

Cristina: Cryo.

Jack: And it's the end of the year and I just. I was looking for. I'm like, hey, cool, you know, we can't do anything with this Jesus guy. This plan failed. We. Not any closer. Talking to the cloud people. Steve's still out there learning how to communicate with clouds, which I guess has a beaver or whatever, the groundhog, because as a groundhog is not like the easiest thing to do.

Cristina: Oh, he's a groundhog.

Jack: Yeah. So there's a lot of obstacles in the way. And I'm like, we got nothing to do, nothing to review. I mean, there's a bunch of cases we could probably look into, but same s*** all the time.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So I'm like, alright, what's the worst thing that has ever happened on New Year's?

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: In looking for that, I stumbled upon something that I thought was about as cool. And so I shelved the other idea about what the craziest thing or the worst thing that happened on New Year's is. I somehow landed at a counter for all the data that matters in the world.

Cristina: A counter?

Jack: Yes. And it could bring it up to the day. It could bring it up to the day. For the whole year so we can find out what this year has been about in numbers.

Cristina: Numbers. I needed you to explain it exactly.

Jack: I'll explain.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: For example, this year our total world population has actually tipped into the 8 billions. This shows us that the population is at 8 billion.

Cristina: 8 billion. Is that the highest it's been 8 billion?

Jack: 8,193,710, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16.

Cristina: What?

Jack: It's going up?

Cristina: Oh, it's going up?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay. Those are just people being born. Or that's people alive.

Jack: Current people living.

Cristina: Current people living. Oh, so shouldn't it be going down too?

Jack: Well, yeah, sometimes it gets stuck. There's more people being born than there are people dying.

Cristina: Okay. So that number is always increasing, the numbers always going. And there's other numbers that are going up and down too.

Jack: There are many numbers, yes.

Cristina: What are some other facts about this year?

Jack: Well, we're gonna go through this entire list of which there are quite a bit of a few numbers. And I want you to see how this is going. Okay, so here we are looking at the current world population.

Cristina: What's all that info?

Jack: This is just data about it.

Cristina: And that's just of things of this year. That information.

Jack: No, this information is giving you general information about the population in general.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: At the moment it's 8 billion. And it's going to reach 9 billion by 2037 and 10 billion by 2058.

Cristina: Ridiculous.

Jack: Is doubled in the last 40 years.

Cristina: That is too many people. Whoa.

Jack: Currently 2022 growing at a rate of around 0.84% per year, adding 67 million people per year to the total.

Cristina: Whoa, whoa.

Jack: Growth rate reached its peak in the late 1960s when it was about 2.09.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. What happened? That's ridiculous. 0.40 something right? Right now. And now that's 2.09.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was huge. It was zero. It was 0.8 4.84.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It was.04 before and now. Oh, no, that's what you. That's what it is currently says 0.84 at the moment. And it was 2.09. Yeah.

Cristina: Everyone was having a child. Whoa.

Jack: Children everywhere. Children everywhere. Births this year alone, 133 million.

Cristina: That's crazy. I think I know, like three babies that were born this year. Something like that. I'm not sure. But that number keeps growing. Does it have info on that too? Like what's averagely every year or anything.

Jack: Telling us where it began?

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Then There have been 300,000 births today.

Cristina: Today. That's crazy.

Jack: But this year there have been 66 million deaths.

Cristina: When you're looking at the billion is like, how much is that? Was the percentage of deaths way insignificant to like the current of population? Like deaths? Wow.

Jack: Yep. It's way less than you think. As for the total.

Cristina: Yeah. What deaths this year? Just 66 million deaths today?

Jack: 150,000.

Cristina: Wow. 150,000. But that's way closer to the birth rate than the deaths of this year. Compared to the population.

Jack: No, to the population of all time. But if you look at like births this year versus.

Cristina: Comparing to deaths this year.

Jack: Is 1/3 of all births the same way. Same way today is one third of all. Actually, it's one half. Today is a particularly death filled day.

Cristina: Oh, well, that's not good. Okay. Today's not a good day.

Jack: It's not a good day. New Year's is when lives are lost, Right?

Cristina: What is happening? Oh, my gosh. So many numbers just going crazy.

Jack: So net population. By the way, this. The Worldometer is the name of this site. Worldometer.info for anybody interested. But we go into the net population growth. This is the total gain or loss.

Cristina: Talking about money?

Jack: No. Of people. So this is the. How many people have we gained without counting the people we've lost?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so this year the total has been a gain of 66 million. You can see it kind of going up and down there. That's because it's competing with the deaths. Okay, but it's still going up.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Net population growth today, same situation. Just competing with the deaths.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. It's about the same as the deaths.

Jack: Yeah. So to summarize, for the year, this year we crossed over to 8 billion people. We birthed 133 million people. We lost 66.7 million people this year. That's a lot of heavy stuff.

Cristina: That's crazy. But it's all crazy. Well, man. Covid. But like, is it more?

Jack: I don't know. But now we start getting to the money.

Cristina: The money.

Jack: Government and economics. So, you know, the people who run.

Cristina: Your lives, how much money they're making.

Jack: How much money has been used?

Cristina: Oh, use. Okay.

Jack: Public health care expenditure this year.

Cristina: Gotta be ridiculous.

Jack: Is at five freaking trillion. Almost six trillion dollars.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's expensive for the year, but we can, boom, make it for today and see that it's already at $13 billion today alone.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Ridiculous. Now, on education, for the year, we have wasted $4 trillion.

Cristina: That's good. I guess.

Jack: I guess.

Cristina: Don't you want it? What should it be more or less than the health?

Jack: I think this is a global thing.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. But so. But that's good right now.

Jack: Not a lot.

Cristina: It's not a lot.

Jack: It's not a lot.

Cristina: Ew.

Jack: Military expenses.

Cristina: As long as it's higher than military. Has to be a good year, right?

Jack: No, I mean, I guess.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It is about twice as much as the military at this point. So that's good.

Cristina: So a ridiculous amount.

Jack: I mean, not twice as much. Its education is about twice as much as military.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Says more on the use, but still.

Cristina: Like trillions or something.

Jack: Yeah, they're both in trillions. Expenditures for the military are at 1.7 and for public education is at 4. So. Yeah. Cars produce this year. 83 million.

Cristina: That's a lot of cars.

Jack: That's a lot of cars. Think of what 83 million cars looks like.

Cristina: Where are these cars at?

Jack: Everywhere. This hella Tesla's outside.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now here is a different category. Social media, or just media in general, I guess. And society. So society and media. Now, interesting enough, the slowest moving stat on this entire thing is the pace at which new books are being published.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Very slow.

Cristina: Maybe it's only one specific time of the day that. Oh, no. The never went up.

Jack: Yeah, very slowly.

Cristina: Wow. What? It is ridiculously slow. Are they counting online books, too? This can't be right.

Jack: Yep, they're just slowly ticking.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Why is everything else going up?

Jack: Random crap too, like newspapers circulating or still blowing up?

Cristina: Newspapers, not books. Okay.

Jack: Cell phones being sold are way more than books.

Cristina: How is published that many? I don't understand. Who's getting more than one cell phone? People just hoarding cell phones. What's happening?

Jack: There's just that many people getting cell phones. Money spent on video games just today is $264 million.

Cristina: That makes sense.

Jack: But for the year.

Cristina: For the year. Oh, what's for the year?

Jack: It is $113 billion.

Cristina: Can we see how much books have been published for the year?

Jack: 2.7 million.

Cristina: That can't. Is that really right? What?

Jack: News papers circulated are 170 billion. TV sets sold are at 244 million. Cell phones sold are at 2.6 billion.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. How many cell phones did you buy this year?

Jack: Internet users in the world? Everyone today, 500. I mean, 5 billion. 561 million. So almost everybody. There's. If there are only 8 billion people, then 5.5 billion people being online means only 2.5 aren't.

Cristina: And those are the Elderly and the babies.

Jack: Yes, 100%. Those are. Bunch of them. Just simply can't do jump online.

Cristina: Yeah. Or they're asleep because they're in that part of the world that hasn't woken up yet.

Jack: Fair enough.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Email sent today.

Cristina: I send so many emails. I hate emails. I'm tired of emails.

Jack: This year has seen a total of 105 trillion emails sent.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Yeah. Blog posts this year.

Cristina: Has to be ridiculous.

Jack: 3.3 million billion billion billion.

Cristina: Is that more than newspapers? Or is there more newspapers winning?

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Way more newspapers this year and this year. Okay, wow. Okay.

Jack: Tweet sent this year is at 324 billion. Google searches are at 3 trillion.

Cristina: You think they'd be so much more. I mean, I guess that's a lot, but.

Jack: That's a lot. But yeah, I do agree. I feel like it should be way higher than that.

Cristina: Whoa. Ridiculous. How many tweets have you tweeted this year?

Jack: None. I don't have a Twitter. Oh, forest lost this year.

Cristina: All of it.

Jack: 5 million acres. Land lost to soil erosion. 7 million acres.

Cristina: What causes soil erosion? Is that fires?

Jack: Is that farm decay time? Hella CO2 emissions. 36 billion. Trillion. Yeah. No, that's a billion. That's billion. 36 billion. Let's see. Toxic chemicals release into the environment this year. 9.7 tons of toxic chemicals.

Cristina: Is that bad?

Jack: Probably tons. Now we're going on to food.

Cristina: How many tacos have been eaten?

Jack: That would be an amazing study. Undernourished people in the world. 866 million. To be fair, that's way less than you'd think. Think. Right. That's one less than one. Eight.

Cristina: Oh, okay. How many. What are the other stats?

Jack: Overweight people in the world. 1.7 billion. Of which they're all here in the United States. Even if there are only 300 million, it's because each one of them counts for two.

Cristina: So there's more overweight people though, than starving people. That's a good thing.

Jack: Yeah. Well, here's the crazy thing. The next diet here is obese people. And there are a lot.

Cristina: There's.

Jack: There's 1.7 billion overweight people. There's 825 million overweight. I mean obese. So to be fair, if these 825 million people ate less, they can feed this 866 undernourished people.

Cristina: That's not how it works.

Jack: That's literally how it works. If the calories that these people are consuming, which is an added to their body, was given to those people they.

Cristina: Would have to physically give it to those people.

Jack: No. If their diets were just altered and all the extra food was sent to those other people starting today. Those aren't dead people. Those are malnourished people.

Cristina: Yeah, but how are you gonna send it to them? Like, we have so much food. We don't need to. We should be already feeding these people.

Jack: Oh, no, it's greed. We're just gonna take it from the people who are greedy.

Cristina: Like, we don't have to take it from the obese people. We could just give them the garbage we have.

Jack: Why don't we want to make the obese people healthier?

Cristina: The obese people? I guess. Well, you want to take care of the obese people.

Jack: Do all the things at the same time. Fix two birds, one stone. Two birds die because of my one rock.

Cristina: But what if they don't want to stop being fat?

Jack: Oh, fair enough. People who died of hunger today? 25,000.

Cristina: 25,000. How many people died from obesity?

Jack: That would. You don't die from.

Cristina: You don't.

Jack: You don't really die from obesity. Yeah, like, I don't know. That's a whole other problem. Because obesity could cause a heart attack, but it could cause diabetes. You know, it's like many different things.

Cristina: So you can't really say this person died because of obesity. We can see when someone died from starvation. Okay.

Jack: Throughout the year, 11 million people died of starvation.

Cristina: 11 million?

Jack: Yes. 11 million people starved to death. Money spent for obesity related diseases in the USA a lot this year is $230 billion.

Cristina: I know people who did that. Oh, my gosh. Yes. That's crazy.

Jack: All the diseases and crap that they're fighting because of problems they've given themselves. Well, here's a more relatable one. Money spent on weight loss programs in the United states this year. $68 billion. 68 billion.

Cristina: What is the solution to the problem? So you think just, I mean, taking away their food is not the solution and giving it to the hungry people? Because that's just gonna get them fat, you know, like, it's the same garbage.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Because, you know, it's funny, even the fat people are malnourished.

Cristina: Exactly. So you can't do that as a solution.

Jack: Yeah, it's the quality of what you're getting. So, like, obesity, it's problematic, but you still don't have the vitamins you need. You can give somebody else the calories, and they'll still not be getting the Vitamins they lack.

Cristina: That doesn't solve anything.

Jack: Yeah, it doesn't. It's a real problem. It's a real problem. People's gluttony is boundless. Now moving on to energy. Energy used today a lot. Megawatts.

Cristina: Megawatts, okay.

Jack: 397 million megawatts from non renewable resources. 338 megawatts from renewable resources. 60 million megawatts. Solar energy striking earth.

Cristina: Striking earth.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: The energy we're getting from the sun.

Jack: Yeah, the energy amount. The amount of energy slamming into the earth this very second, I guess for the entire year. That's problematic because I don't know what the f*** number I'm looking at at this point. It's beyond millions, beyond the billions, beyond the trillions. Is that what a Googleplex is? Is it one Googleplex?

Cristina: Well, we're not even close to actually using that or gathering that or whatever like.

Jack: No, this amount of energy is so g****** efficient. We would. If we could capture all the light just headed to Earth. Yeah, just the light hitting Earth. If we could capture all of that, we would power Earth until the extinction of humanity.

Cristina: That's crazy. What?

Jack: Yeah, that's why anybody who can hunt that's just gathering everything that lands on Earth. Civilization 1 type s***.

Cristina: But how many of this energy was taken from the windmills? Those Ewell windmills?

Jack: I don't know. Maybe that's on here somewhere. Oil pumped today in barrels. There's 81 million barrels pumped today.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Oil left calculated in barrels. This is the total oil left on Earth calculated in barrels. And that is 1 trillion. There are 1 trillion barrels of oil left being calculated by the amount of oil like deposits found.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Days to the end of oil at our current rate is forty years or a hundred or fourteen thousand days.

Cristina: That doesn't seem like too bad.

Jack: No, that's good enough. Time to come up with a bunch of stuff. Natural gases left one. What is this trillion as well? Or is that also Googleplex? Billion that trillion. One trillion natural gases left.

Cristina: We just need to get that sun power. That sun.

Jack: That sun power is way up there.

Cristina: Yeah, like I don't care about any of that. Look at the sun power.

Jack: Yeah. Days to the end of natural gas, 56,000 days. Coal left 4 trillion. What's BOE boy bones bo ko left bull. And days to the end of coal are 147,000.

Cristina: Good. Because we need that sunpower. We have. Just figure out the sun.

Jack: Yeah, okay, look. Yes to that sun power. We gotta like dedicate all our resources.

Cristina: Why are we Wasting our natural resources. When we have something hitting us in.

Jack: The face, it's hard to catch, man. It's not easy. It's not easy. You gotta understand. It's a lot. There's a lot of energy. A lot.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But, like, what do we got to do? We got to build these solar panels, and we have to do it with what, Our existing energy. You see the problem? And it's like, well, do we have the amount of energy it would require to build the thing in order to do the thing?

Cristina: But if we did it, like, yes, it will take a lot, but.

Jack: But slowly less because we direct more and more of the solar.

Cristina: We'll be getting so much more.

Jack: Yeah. Production eventually would cross a threshold in which it's exponential, because energy is infinite.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Yeah. I think it's worth. It's worth the investment. It'll be very slow at first, but as you start crawling more and more, the gain is infinite. Yeah, it has infinite. But there's no way we can use that much energy.

Cristina: No, that's crazy.

Jack: Not in our. The lifetime of any of us, at least.

Cristina: So ridiculous.

Jack: A lot of energy.

Cristina: The sun is the way.

Jack: The sun is the way. That's the true mother of life. So, health. Communicable disease Deaths this year. 12 million seasonal flu deaths this year, 500,000. Seasonal flu.

Cristina: Seasonal flu.

Jack: It's a murder a little less known. Covid. No. This year. No. Covid took a couple. Right. Covid. Is.

Cristina: Is Covid here?

Jack: Oh, maybe somewhere in there.

Cristina: Unless the first one has Covid included in it.

Jack: No.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Deaths of children under five this year. 7.5 million. It's a lot of dead kids.

Cristina: A lot of dead kids.

Jack: That's a lot of dead babies.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: 42 million abortions this year.

Cristina: Yeah, but that means they saved a lot of dead babies. There's less dead children because there's more dead babies.

Jack: Yeah. In any case, we could come. We can merge the abortions and the dead children and just say that there are just 50 million abortions or 50 million dead children under five. Deaths of mothers during birth this year. 300,000. What? Deaths due to. Oh, no, not even just people infected with AIDS. 44 million.

Cristina: Oh, okay. That's not. Deaths.

Jack: Okay, this is the current number of people alive right now with AIDS and hiv.

Cristina: Is that a lot compared to how many people there are?

Jack: No.

Cristina: What is that?

Jack: Not even close. Yeah, this is just millions. We're talking 8 billion people. Now we're on to deaths caused by HIV and AIDS in the year. That's 1.6 million Covid is about as crappy or a little shittier.

Cristina: So how many people with it died? Like, what's the math? There's 44.

Jack: Very little.

Cristina: A million died.

Jack: It's not a problem anymore.

Cristina: Okay. So if you get it, you don't have to worry.

Jack: No, you stop worry. But you can handle it now. There's enough medication to kind of fight it back pretty heavily. Science have it. Science has advanced quite a bit. We have the technology.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Deaths caused by cancer this year, way worse. Why aren't we out here horrified about cancer?

Cristina: I guess can't give cancer to someone.

Jack: And although we can give AIDS to someone, it is still way less impactful.

Cristina: People are horrified.

Jack: Yeah, there's freaking deaths. 1.6 million of AIDS and HIV, but by cancer there's 8 million. Please. Cancer is looking at AIDS like chump numbers. B****.

Cristina: But what was the seasonal flu number again?

Jack: The seasonal flu was. No, it's not significant. 500,000 now. Deaths by malaria, 391,000.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Cigarette smoked today. Wow. 12 billion cigarettes smoked this year. 5 trillion.

Cristina: Oh yeah. There's people who don't just do one. Yeah, they'll do a box.

Jack: Deaths caused by smoking. This year they have that number. 5 million.

Cristina: 5 million. How do they know by smoking?

Jack: They don't know.

Cristina: That doesn't make sense.

Jack: This is the same as like being over.

Cristina: Yeah, Wouldn't it be the same? Where are those obese numbers then? Do they have smoking numbers? That doesn't make sense.

Jack: No, it's total bullshit. Like 100% because it would have to be the things that smoking caused. And you can't tell what was caused by smoking or just happen cents. Suicides. This year, just over 1 million.

Cristina: Just over 1 million.

Jack: Money spent on illegal drugs this year, 397 billion.

Cristina: I wonder if that number has gone down because now weed is not such a drug. A legal drug. So that number should have gone down.

Jack: That's probably a huge one. But it's also like insignificant. The change here in the United States, it's. There's a world out there. Road traffic accident fatalities. So car accidents that resulted in somebody dying. 1.3 million.

Cristina: I wonder if they count animals who died. Animals, Cats, deer, squirrels. For some reason, all the random animals, such as the fly that hits your windshield.

Jack: How can. I mean, I bet somebody calculated the fly that hits the windshield.

Cristina: Math, that's how.

Jack: I don't know. There's probably a way to calculate it.

Cristina: Well, that's a lot of death.

Jack: Well, no, it used to be, but now the Windows design in such a way that they glide off as opposed to smack into it. That's why it's. Your windshield is at an angle.

Cristina: Okay. But the animals are still dead.

Jack: There's a bunch of dead animals. But like, how do we calculate something like that? Right. That's nuts. How many animals are there on average? How many of them have died for what causes? Like so much.

Cristina: Mm, so much. Yeah. It's a lot of stuff that happened this year and a lot of money.

Jack: Spent on a lot of things.

Cristina: A lot of things.

Jack: Education is higher, but it's also. We're talking the world. If we were to look at the United States impact of that same thing, it's probably very different.

Cristina: I think it's less.

Jack: I think it's probably way less.

Cristina: Like, when it comes to military, what were the three things? Military, health and education.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Where do you think they rank?

Jack: I think military is way up there for the United States.

Cristina: You think that's number one then over medical? Yeah, yeah, sure. I don't know.

Jack: I do think it's everything.

Cristina: Everything about the hospital is expensive. That's a lot of money.

Jack: Everything about the hospital.

Cristina: Yeah. When it comes to health.

Jack: Yeah. I guess in the here in the United States, at least many countries take care of their citizens. And here. Nah.

Cristina: But that's why I would think that would be more. Probably we spend more money on that than military.

Jack: Well, no, that's. We're literally paying from our pocket as opposed to from tax. That's how they're calculating that how much money of the taxpayer dollars going to these things is what the question was answering, not how much people have like donated to them or whatever.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. So when it comes down to it, like what you waste on health care, that doesn't matter versus what is taken from your money. That's what's being calculated.

Cristina: So what's the most shocking thing you remember from this year?

Jack: The most shocking thing I remember from this year. This year kind of flew by and it was a bit of a haze. I'm sure a couple of amazing things happened, but I don't remember any. They weren't particularly memorable. It's kind of still rebounding off of 2020 when s*** was like just hitting the fan and the world ending or whatever was happening.

Cristina: Nothing has really changed. I mean, Ukraine is still doing their battle.

Jack: Yeah, that happened this year. War.

Cristina: War. At least the world war hasn't happened yet.

Jack: And NASA is gonna finally have to give up all it. Not NASA. The government is finally also gonna have to give up all this paperwork related to UFOs and stuff, that's. That's cool.

Cristina: That's cool.

Jack: That's dope.

Cristina: Aliens.

Jack: Aliens. Our jobs are no longer gonna be a secret. And only for the people who listen to this show, but for everybody. Soon we're gonna be on tv. We're gonna be super megastars. It's gonna be awesome.

Cristina: I don't want to be on tv.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Doesn't sound fun.

Jack: Well, we're just gonna be here. Well, I guess not here. Depends where we are.

Cristina: What are we doing just waving at people on tv? Are we celebrities?

Jack: I guess we're gonna be waving like the Queen. We're gonna be podcasting from inside of a bubble.

Cristina: That died today. That died today. That happened this year.

Jack: Oh, the Queen died this year. Oh, yeah, that did happen.

Cristina: I don't know why it came out that way. Yes. That was a mess.

Jack: The Queen. Oh, Her Majesty the Queen. And war.

Cristina: That's.

Jack: That's it. Is that the year wrapped up?

Cristina: Yeah. And Elon buying Twitter.

Jack: Elon bought Twitter. That happened.

Cristina: And Facebook's meta died. I don't know. Is that.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: They made it such a big deal. It was a lot panicking, sort of. And like, what's it gonna do? It's gonna change the world and everything, and we're gonna be living in it. This is gonna be.

Jack: The feature became like a weird matrix.

Cristina: Nothing happened.

Jack: Yeah, nothing happened. People hopped in. Somebody made some angry or bored apes, and that was it. The end.

Cristina: Was that an NFT?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Was that the thing this year? NFT.

Jack: There were a bunch of NFTs, but it's been like two years of NFTs at this point.

Cristina: Yeah, well, it died off this year. It was born. Yes, Last year.

Jack: Yeah. Both of those things came and went pretty quickly. Meanwhile, bitcoin's still going hard.

Cristina: Yeah. What a year.

Jack: What a year. What a year.

Cristina: But look, we've had.

Jack: We had some ups and downs this year. We didn't catch Santa, but we've done a lot. And our only saving grace is Steve training. Eventually he'll be done. One day he'll be like, I figured it out.

Cristina: And then he abandons us.

Jack: Yeah. Goes joins a cloud or whatever. Becomes a God himself.

Cristina: He is sort of, kind of.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: He needs to become one.

Jack: But anyways, look, look, look, look. You guys can find out about Steve the Groundhog on our Groundhog Day episode. You guys can see last year's wrap up last year. You got to go back in time. You can't listen to it anymore. You got to go to last year to hear it when it first came out. Get yourself a time machine. You don't have one.

Cristina: Get cooler, get cooler.

Jack: Get cooler. Get a cooler.

Cristina: Get a cooler.

Jack: No, that's where we store our time machine. In a cooler.

Cristina: Why would we do that? That's gotta be huge.

Jack: Why can't our time machine be. Watch. A wristwatch, huh?

Cristina: Because I feel like you described it as us going into it.

Jack: Why can't it be a wristwatch that turns us into pure light and then pulls us inside?

Cristina: How do you take multiple people?

Jack: Well, you can take as many people as you want. We're 99% emptiness. I'm a walking nothing.

Cristina: So you put it on, and then how do you get other people to put it on? They just. You fall onto the floor. I mean, it falls onto the floor, and then the next person just puts it on, and then they fall.

Jack: No, we all just get sucked into it and then it disappears.

Cristina: How does it know who to take you?

Jack: I don't know. You hold hands.

Cristina: Okay. He's like, what stops everyone else from entering?

Jack: It looks way more like magic. Yeah, but look, you guys can learn about all that stuff and you can, like, I don't know, look at posts and chunk on the official websites and chunks and stuff. But look, find us on social media@justconvo pod, on Twitter, Instagram and TikTok, and you can.

Cristina: Or remember to subscribe. Yes, remember to subscribe. Don't do. Do it. Please. Do it.

Jack: Do what?

Cristina: Subscribe.

Jack: Please subscribe. Yes, I suppose. Please, I beg of you.

Cristina: Please, please. I need you to subscribe.

Jack: I mean, we don't need s*** from these people, Ray.

Cristina: And review the show.

Jack: Oh, yes, that's very important. Very. It's awesome when you do that. We like it.

Cristina: Let people who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yeah, man, there's a bunch of stuff.

Cristina: Look, there's a choice of people who might not like this show.

Jack: Yeah, look, we're on all the feeds, right? Then we're everywhere. You can show them wherever you want.

Cristina: Show everybody who exists, and then they'll know.

Jack: And look, there's a bunch of episodes about all the crap we talked. And, you know, you'll find all of it. Just type keywords and junk and you'll. You'll find it, bro. It's there. Anyways, look, this has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Cristina: Have conversations with someone else.

Jack: So that's brain work right there.

Cristina: That's brain working.

Jack: Have conversations, paint write, sketch, do something. It doesn't f****** matter. Do something. Exercise.

Cristina: You're not a zombie.

Jack: Yeah, prove you're not a f****** sheep.

Cristina: Or a sheep.

Jack: Yeah, that's what sheep do. They wait to be herded.

Cristina: Oh, that's exactly what's happening. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. People wait to go back to the herd later and then be told what to do. D***. And people just gave in, dude. People just gave in. That just happened. People just. And were programmed school programs.

Cristina: This is so easy.

Jack: Yeah, school programs. Us, dude. It's do what you go into f****** building. Shut the f*** up. And you do what the person in the front is telling you to do. You know, it doesn't make sense, but that's. You're not there to learn math or English. You need to learn how to follow orders.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 206: Catching Santa

How fast is Santa? Can he really be caught despite his immense power? Neurolink animal cases? The duo dives into Christmas celebrations and their plan to catch Santa, plus neurolink did some stuff! All that and more on this episode of Rambling!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

  • How to Celebrate Christmas
  • Christmas Traditions
  • Christmas Eve vs Christmas Day
  • Neurolink Animal Murder
  • Santa’s Speed
  • Time Control
  • Time Travel

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+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And Christmas is coming.

Cristina: Yay.

Jack: So we're grounding baffling ideas because that's.

Cristina: What we do before Santa gets here.

Jack: Oh, I guess. Right, because we're already gonna capture Santa.

Cristina: In a few hours or something like that.

Jack: Really? That's today?

Cristina: It's not today. It's at midnight.

Jack: What's a midnight?

Cristina: When Santa shows up, is it everyone's midnight? I don't know. Is it? I don't know how it works time wise.

Jack: Okay, so wait, what numerically, what day is. Is Christmas?

Cristina: 25Th.

Jack: Interesting. It always thought it was the 24th.

Cristina: It's Christmas Eve, I guess.

Jack: Oh. So, yeah, yeah. It's like a thing.

Cristina: Yes. You stay up all night on the 24th to go to bed. I don't know. I guess not really. Some people just have a normal 24th and then on Christmas day open their presents.

Jack: Yeah. That makes sense, right? Waking up to it.

Cristina: Yeah. And some people celebrate Christmas Eve like it's Christmas. They just hang out and wait for 12 and then open their presents.

Jack: Okay, so the idea here is I'm thinking that there's a difference between the people who Open it at 12 and people who wake up to it.

Cristina: There's a difference?

Jack: Yes. Which is that the people who Open it at 12 are science minded people.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: While the people who open open it the next morning are more fantastical.

Jack: So they are in the magic of it, while these other people are like, f*** it. If the point is the day and the stuff, then we can like optimize the experience.

Cristina: But they tell their children that Santa Claus magic works at midnight or something. I guess.

Jack: But what?

Cristina: Yes. Like he delivers the gifts early under the tree, but if you open it before Christmas, there's nothing going to be in there.

Jack: Wait, is that what you experienced?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Really?

Cristina: Yes. The magic happens at midnight.

Jack: Really? Interesting.

Cristina: He delivers them on Christmas Eve, but there's nothing in there until Christmas.

Jack: I guess I could still in theory be. No, but there's in theory nothing under the tree the day before in a household that does it the next morning. Right.

Cristina: I'm not sure.

Jack: Then that's when like dad sneaks out and brings all, you know, the kids went to sleep. Dad then gets dressed as Santa Claus and comes and delivers the gifts all late.

Cristina: Oh, man, I wish I could have questioned some people.

Jack: Right. I guess the experience is so different from household to household.

Cristina: Yes. I think everyone makes up the rules for their own family of how it's done. I don't think there's, like, a real tradition anymore or ever was. Like, there is sort of, like, loosely. Loosely. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. It's like, guidelines more than rules.

Cristina: Yes. And I think every family does it their own way. Whatever, like, fits what they're doing, so.

Jack: Yeah, I agree with that.

Cristina: Yeah. So how did you do it day.

Jack: Of or day before whatever was happening at the location I was at.

Cristina: What? So it was different each year.

Jack: There was no celebration.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah. We would just go wherever and write it.

Cristina: Okay. But they were doing it different.

Jack: Yeah. Depends where we were.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay. Then the only person I know who did it the day of had the gifts on the tree the day of. Okay. Does Santa work differently depending on the family?

Jack: Well, it's. Again, it's just random rules people are making up that.

Cristina: What?

Jack: It's random rules people are making up.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's no real. Like, it has to be this way. As long as the general guidelines are followed, then I guess there's enough collective fear.

Cristina: Oh, yes.

Jack: Yeah. All you need is a fear to be generated. Oh, there's. The whole year matters so much.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because of this one day, and it's always more fear than it was. The day you got the least fear is the day immediately after Christmas. You got your stuff, the released habit. You just. Ah, yes. The weight paid off.

Cristina: Except for those kids who are unhappy with what they got.

Jack: Yeah. Fair enough.

Cristina: There's enough of those.

Jack: I bet. I bet that's the majority.

Cristina: What? Spoiled children. Spoiled.

Jack: Yeah. I think children are more spoiled as time goes by, right?

Cristina: Mm, probably.

Jack: Would we say. Would we say that the children are more spoiled or. Or are we focusing on the spoiledness more?

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Like, we would highlight. What? There's how they're spoiled. That they're spoiled more often now because they like things that we wouldn't. Right. Is that, like, a thing? Like, the adult is like, you know, all this superficial stuff that didn't exist in my life so I have no interest in. Is meaningless because I don't have interest in it, so. Because they have interest in it. Look at this spoiled kid wanting all these things that, to that kid, looked like survival.

Cristina: To that kid, looks like survival.

Jack: Yeah. Think about how crazy it is to not have a phone now.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Whoa. That just was a thing. You Lived without at some point. Yeah, everybody did. Yeah, well, not everybody. I guess we're way beyond the point that everybody had a point in life without a phone. Because at this point, we're talking that, like, kids who could start holding things learn how to use a phone because it's their mom handing them the phone to keep them distracted.

Cristina: Mm. That sucks.

Jack: They are toddlers learning how to navigate these things. What?

Cristina: Well, that's great. I guess they might integrate some. Yeah, yeah. Once we're all living in computers or whatever.

Jack: Yeah. They're gonna be the heroes. They're gonna be the ones who can hack their way out.

Cristina: Yes. Maybe. I don't know, man. I keep seeing reports about neuralink and how they're killing animals. Like, I'm sure it makes sense. A lot of animals are gonna die.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah.

Cristina: I don't know if it's as bad as they make it seem, though.

Jack: How many animals have they said are.

Cristina: Dead in the 2000s now? I think there's like, a variety of different animals as well, but. Yeah.

Jack: So it doesn't work at the moment.

Cristina: No. Or maybe it does. I don't know.

Jack: But they're like, maybe all the. As many corpses as requ.

Cristina: Because what if it's like, it's a lot, but what if it's not a lot compared to how many animals are testing? Like 200 are dead. But what if they're testing a thousand?

Jack: Well, that is a s***** number, but I see where you're coming from. What if they ran the experiment on, like, a million numbers and it's a million animals and it's just 200?

Cristina: Yes. Like, we don't know the exact number of how many are being tested versus how many are failing the test.

Jack: Yeah, Those numbers could be completely obscured. They could be huge and. Or small. But no, it has to be. Okay. If they're doing really, really hyper controlled tests, they're probably experimenting. So. So they're testing things on an animal, studying it literally to death. Or they think it's done and they're trying to run it, and they're running it on a huge number of animals, and the only ones that have negative side effects are the 200. Those are two very different things that could be happening both with the animals dying. If it's still in the experimentation stages, they could be killing the animals.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: And it's very. But it's very few animals. It's probably just 200 animals, if that's what they're saying. Because they're all controlled tests. You're just Running tests on one thing, seeing all the different behaviors and whatever. What you could control, what can't be controlled through the thought of the animal or whatever.

Cristina: When you kill it, it.

Jack: No, no, it just dies. You exhaust it or something goes wrong. You have to test all the glitches and whatever and something happens. So that. That would mean that 200 out of the 200. It might have just been 200 testing on which, like, they've killed all their test subjects.

Cristina: That sounds pretty crazy.

Jack: Yeah, but it could be that they're also just running the test as long as they could. The animal is gonna die. Yes, they expect it.

Cristina: Unless it's like, okay, five months later or something. The animal's dead. That's kind of crazy.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. That'd be crazy. But if it's the other test, then it's already done. They're just running it on a bunch of animals. Could be millions and 200 dead.

Cristina: Yeah, I gotta do more research on this. Eventually I'll figure it out. Yeah, because it could be either or. I have no idea. It just sounds like a lot. But it may or may not be a lot. Or it may be that they're doing until they just die off because of age. Like.

Jack: Well, it depends on who's telling you.

Cristina: Who's telling me?

Jack: Yeah, like if it's PETA, you're not gonna switch. They don't care which side it is. It's gonna seem crazy no matter what.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If it's written by somebody pro life, they're not gonna tell you about the rest of the experiments. Just 200. If they're telling you. If somebody science minded, they're probably only gonna tell you about the sciencey side and try to minimize how much damage is being done because. Yeah, it could be worse than it is. It could just. There's a lot going on.

Cristina: I will find out eventually. That's my Christmas duty.

Jack: Your Christmas duty?

Cristina: Yes. So you guys will find out before New Year's. Maybe if I actually do this.

Jack: Yes, we remember.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. I decided to do it right now they're being. They're investigating him for violating the Animal Welfare Act. So. Federal investigation on narrow link.

Jack: So.

Cristina: So they are killing animals?

Jack: Well, I mean, if he's being investigated for it, then we don't know. They're checking to make sure. Because an investigation could just be to confirm that there's nothing wrong.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: It could totally mean that there's something as well. It depends on what the investigation concludes.

Cristina: Yeah, but that's a serious investigation. If it's federal.

Jack: Well, I'm assuming the Federal branch of the government. Well, no, because it's police. Right. Or is it law? Who is it? Who? The federal. What?

Cristina: Oh, no, I lost it. Federal investigation.

Jack: Who's who? Who? The Fed.

Cristina: Who are the Feds?

Jack: Like the Federal and Bureau of Investigations. They're the investigators, I guess. Or is it like politicians are doing. No, they would just send cops. Right.

Cristina: The United States Department of Agriculture Inspector General has opened a probe into potential violations.

Jack: Oh, there's just this other agency that's been hun to investigate. Interesting.

Cristina: We got some real numbers here. Neuralink likely calls researchers to test and kill more animals than a slower, more conventional approach would call for. Since 2019, the company has tested on and killed at least 1500 animals, over 280 sheep, pigs and monkeys, as well as mice and rats. So they are killing off these animals?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's a thousand five hundred.

Cristina: Fifteen hundred? Yes.

Jack: So about a thousand five hundred. Whoa. That's way more than two hundred.

Cristina: Yes. What the. That was the original number. Two hundred?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: That's way more than 200.

Cristina: That's a lot of animals. It's been a lot of years, though, too, right? It has been at least, what, 20, 18? This started or.

Jack: Yeah, I think that's what they said.

Cristina: Yeah. So how much years is that?

Jack: Three, four years?

Cristina: Four years and a thousand five hundred animals.

Jack: I guess you really gotta ask yourself if it's worth it for science. That's. That's the next question. Right. Okay, look, look.

Cristina: Once it succeeds, then they're gonna be like, yes, it was totally worth it.

Jack: Leading the fight up to that point is gonna be so massive, it's only gonna get worse. Yes, but after he reaches the climax, the tip, the peak, the threshold, if you will, and starts coming down the other side of that mountain, Mm. It's gonna be such exaggeratedly easy sailing.

Cristina: I don't know. Because once he starts like man, once the human testing happens, he can't do what he's doing with these animals. He can't try to speed it up to get this going because he wants it already made already. He's speeding up the process because he.

Jack: Wants it for him.

Cristina: Yes, but the problem is all these deaths.

Jack: Yeah, well, it's gonna happen in a long stretch anyways.

Cristina: Yes, but at least if it was slowed down, if he wasn't in a rush for it, it'd be done more safely. It'll take longer to accomplish, but less animals and less humans in the future will not be Dead. Isn't that the point? That is doing it the right way.

Jack: That is fair. We also got to think like, do you want to see the fruits of your labor? Do you just want it for the next generation?

Cristina: I guess that's why he. Yeah.

Jack: Everything he wants, he wants for him. Elon Musk isn't a hero.

Cristina: No.

Jack: He's not trying to advance humanity, advance himself. He made PayPal, cuz. F*** banks. That's like crazy. Okay, perfect. He made self driving cars because he hates driving.

Cristina: Yes. Self driving, flying cars. Isn't that the future?

Jack: Definitely a thing. That's gonna be dope as h***. And it's gonna be easy with AI navigating all of it. Hyperloop. He wants to be able to cross the country in a couple of minutes.

Cristina: It's very lazy.

Jack: Yeah, he just. He wants to remove things. But think about how much he does. He somehow optimizes life enough to run seven massive operations.

Cristina: Wait, does Twitter count now?

Jack: Yes. Yeah, I guess. How does he have the time?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Eight massive operations.

Cristina: That's ridiculous.

Jack: Yes, and like full hands on with all of them.

Cristina: Mm. That's a lot of work, man.

Jack: A lot of work. But he's optimized so much of it.

Cristina: Gotta have figured out cloney. Yeah, he's cloned himself. There's more than one of him running around. Maybe more than us. One of us are running around. Well, me probably, not. You definitely.

Jack: Yeah, for sure.

Cristina: There's gotta be like one or two other you's out there.

Jack: Yeah, see, that's the crazy part, right? It's unclear.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's unclear whether it's one or two.

Cristina: So yeah, he could be in the same situation. We don't know.

Jack: I mean, there's definitely multiple Elon Musks. Maybe one per business. Maybe he's in a real multiplicity type of situation.

Cristina: Whoa. So there's gotta be seven, eight now. Yes. Midget. Him is the one running totor.

Jack: Midget.

Cristina: The Danny DeVito version of him.

Jack: DeVito isn't a midget. And also, isn't midget like a non PC term?

Cristina: Oh, I didn't mean that. I meant Danny DeVito. The Danny DeVito version of him.

Jack: The Danny DeVito version.

Cristina: Was he even in that movie? I don't even remember. I just remember there was different people playing the same person. It's the same person.

Jack: No, it's Michael Keaton. Four or five times.

Cristina: Oh, okay. It's just him. Why did I think it was different actors playing him? Is there a movie with different actors? Or playing the same. I don't know.

Jack: There is a movie where Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny DeVito are twins.

Cristina: Oh, maybe that's what I was thinking. Okay, whatever. Danny DeVito is a version of Elon Musk.

Jack: Yeah. Danny DeVito got all the recessive genes, and Arnold got all the, like, dominant genes. All the good, like, dope stuff, all the skill.

Cristina: Okay, and which one got the brains then? He got the brains.

Jack: He got the brains, too. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay, there's a Elon Musk that looks like Danny DeVito but with, I don't know, the same amount of hair. I was gonna say more or less, but I don't. The Danny DeVito version of him is without glasses. That's what makes him different from both. From the regular Danny DeVito. It still. It looks just like Danny DeVito, but it's Elon's twin.

Jack: Okay, okay.

Cristina: Does Danny DeVito wear glasses? I don't even know.

Jack: Does Danny.

Cristina: Well, I guess I've seen him with glasses, but that could be acting.

Jack: Yeah, I mean, Frank from he.

Cristina: We. Glasses?

Jack: Yeah, I think he wears glasses.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: But I don't. I don't know if Danny DeVito wears glasses. Maybe he wears glasses.

Cristina: Well, whatever. This version of him also, like, what.

Jack: Awesome life to have, like, beaten all the odds with Donnie. Danny DeVito. Right. Like, his acting overcomes everything because he knows he's like a weird little dwarf guy. Not dwarf. He's like a. Like a troll doll or something.

Cristina: He's just really round.

Jack: He's round. He's like. If you got Robin Williams and put, like, a Robin Williams doll and you put him in the microwave and you, like, microwave him for not. Not enough that it melts, but, like, enough to get just a little bit to fluff. Deformed.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Not literally that he looks like a deformed doll, but he's like. If you were to downgrade something by that much margin. Because they're essentially two short guys. Except I don't think Robin Williams were so short. He could.

Cristina: Robin Williams wasn't that sure, was he?

Jack: I'm pretty sure he was pretty. He was short. He wasn't tall. He was. I bet he was, like, five, six.

Cristina: I'm gonna look it up. I thought he was just average. 5, 6 is average.

Jack: 5, 6 is below average.

Cristina: Oh, 5, 7.

Jack: 5, 7. I don't know. I've never looked this up. This is entirely just off of how he looks.

Cristina: He's right next to. What's his name? Oh, crap. You can't see. Ask what's this actor's name? The guy that people think Harry Potter looks like who did the Lord of the Rings movies.

Jack: The Lord of the Ring movies?

Cristina: Yes. Wilbert.

Jack: Who?

Cristina: The actor from Wilbert.

Jack: I don't.

Cristina: The talking dog. Wilfred.

Jack: Wilfred.

Cristina: Wilfred.

Jack: Wilfred.

Cristina: Eli. Ellen.

Jack: Oh, Ellen DeGeneres.

Cristina: No. I tried to remember the actor's name. His name, I feel like, starts with the E. What was he in the Lord of the Rings?

Jack: The Lord of the Rings? Who do I know? The main star of Lord of the Rings.

Cristina: The main.

Jack: Elijah Wood.

Cristina: Yes. He is about the same height.

Jack: 5 7.

Cristina: I don't know if he is, but, like in this photo of them together standing next to each other, he looks like he's the same height.

Jack: How tall is Elijah? I bet Elijah Wood. I. Dude, I never thought about Elijah Wood's height in my life. I could have sworn he was. He might have been due to the Hobbit, though. But I thought he was way shorter, like five two or something. What?

Cristina: I mean, maybe, I don't know. Five, six.

Jack: Five six? He's way taller than I thought he was.

Cristina: He's the height you thought Robin Williams was. Okay, yeah. Wow.

Jack: I mean, Robin Williams basically is five six.

Cristina: Okay, let's find out how tall Danny DeVito is. What if he's not even that crazy?

Jack: Can you imagine?

Cristina: He's the same height as Elijah.

Jack: Nah. 5:1.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: What's your bet?

Cristina: I already see it. Is 5:1 no shorter?

Jack: 4:7?

Cristina: Taller?

Jack: 4:9?

Cristina: 4:10.

Jack: 4:10. How many. How many people? How many men do you think are 410 in the world? Is that common? Is he not strange? Is this strange here?

Cristina: It's gotta be strange.

Jack: You think overall, like, men grow to be taller than that? Like, there's not, like a small civilization that if he went there, they would be like. Yes, a height of guys?

Cristina: No, no, I don't think so.

Jack: Also, I hear this one argument consistently.

Cristina: What?

Jack: In the past, humans were taller. And I also hear in the past humans are shorter.

Cristina: What? That's helpful.

Jack: Yeah. So I don't know who's. Right.

Cristina: Both is true and, like, average. Now, how.

Jack: Yeah, can you imagine how has this not. I guess your reasoning could check out, Right? If it goes up and down, then yeah, we'd most likely be in the one that's happened most often.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess. Right. So you want to know, though, if there's people who are normally just four.

Jack: Or left, what percentage of the population is what height after a certain age?

Cristina: Okay, so the shortest people in this thing is people from East Timor. Timmore. East Timor, which is in Southeast Asia.

Jack: How short are they?

Cristina: The men are five and two and a half inches, and the women are five feet. Then there's a bunch of countries that the men don't have heights, average heights, for some reason. No idea what's happening there, but. So that's the shortest of the ones we have in record.

Jack: Whoa.

Cristina: So then.

Jack: Yeah, I guess in a situation like that, if that's the average, then that means that there is averagely above and below that height as well.

Cristina: So they have the shortest man. But I guess shortest women would go somewhere else because I only did it for one. But five feet. Five and a half.

Jack: Five and a half. Five feet and a half inch.

Cristina: Five feet. Oh, no. Five feet and two and a half. That's what I meant.

Jack: Two and a half for males.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. So then again, like, the Danny DeVito could, in theory, walk into the civilization and they would just be like, yes, he's normal height.

Cristina: He's normal height.

Jack: Or he's, like, slightly short.

Cristina: He's still short.

Jack: He might still be short, but he's not crazy short. Just slightly short. Yeah, they probably have a lot of people that height. He's probably in the base height still for them.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then there's people taller and people shorter now, man. Can you imagine the shortest. The average shortest person? Me? It's the average tallest person. The visual must be crazy. But also, it couldn't be right because, like, at most average height, there's, like, people that are just seven feet tall.

Cristina: So it wouldn't be a seven feet tall person.

Jack: Yeah, no, it would still be like. I think the average would still be huge.

Cristina: Huge.

Jack: Like six, five.

Cristina: Okay. And then the average for short.

Jack: Well, the average for short is already 5, 2, 5, 2.

Cristina: The highest average average for dudes is 6ft and 1 inch.

Jack: That's so much lower than I thought it was.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So, like, look at that small.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess next to each other, they weren't. They wouldn't be that big of a difference.

Jack: No, the. The shortest average person next to the tallest average person is still like, yeah, you're looking up to see this person, but he's not a monster.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: I guess only exceptions stand out. Like the shortest person from the shortest civilization and the tallest. Exactly. Those situations is ridiculous. Or someone with legit dwarfism that's cutting into the slowest numbers and someone with literal gigantism that's scraping impossibly high numbers.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: These exceptions make everybody else look obscured.

Cristina: Yeah. But if you just Take the average normal. Whatever.

Jack: It's so close together, it doesn't even matter.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Right. Anyways, we are so close to catching Santa. Santa. Or trying to.

Cristina: Or.

Jack: Yeah, doing our best. Not everything.

Cristina: We just gotta wait a few hours.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Then he'll be here.

Jack: Almost at the crossing line.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Is that what it's called? Is it called the crossing line? What is the line you cross? I feel like it sounds right and people just say the crossing line. But like, is that the name of the line?

Cristina: Is it the crossing line? I don't know. The finish line.

Jack: The finish line.

Cristina: Saying it wrong.

Jack: I am saying it wrong. Yes. The finish line.

Cristina: Yeah. We're almost at the finish line.

Jack: Almost at the finish line. That will cross.

Cristina: We'll cross. We're about to cross the finish line.

Jack: Got it? Yes. Clarity. So. Yeah. Because today's the day. Well, it's gonna be the day. Today's gonna be for the day.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But whatever. Same thing. It's almost. It's a two day event. Previous day. Or I guess it's of like, as the night approach. No, you just get suited. Right.

Cristina: It's a wondering. Yeah. Are you doing something special? Are we like decorating the place to look Christmassy So he thinks like, this is a normal. No family he's visiting?

Jack: No, he has to deliver here. We already sent him your letter.

Cristina: We have Jesus already then.

Jack: Well, we went back in time and we put Jesus in the machine.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Jesus. He has to find Jesus.

Jack: Or not. Yeah, I guess it is a machine. The liquid machine. Let's call it cryostasis. Or being frozen. But no, it's liquid. Very cool.

Cristina: But we don't have Jesus.

Jack: No. He's in the past. Or I guess he's in the present.

Cristina: He's in the present.

Jack: He came to the future with us, but not with us.

Cristina: Yes. Not in this location.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah.

Cristina: He's in whatever cave that he died in.

Jack: He never died. We took him down.

Cristina: Whatever. We put him. We put him in the box in the cave that he was supposed to die in.

Jack: Yes. Preserving him. So Santa Claus should have already retrieved him.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, in theory, if, if. If Santa really does have some sort of time control ability that allows him to then do everything at night in this one moment. That's suddenly a little gift.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And I didn't think about this before. We wouldn't be able to catch Santa.

Cristina: I just realized that when you were saying what you were saying before, you said we wouldn't be able to catch it. I understood.

Jack: Yes. The build up is that the presence would just show up suddenly, literally in front of us. It was just into existence.

Cristina: Yeah, of course.

Jack: He saw himself walk up, put it there and walk away. Yeah, but that happened so instant.

Cristina: He's like the Flash. You don't just catch the Flash.

Jack: What? This plan had the biggest.

Cristina: Unless we can. Is there some type of thing that catches the Flash? Is there a Flash Kryptonite? I don't know.

Jack: But he's not super fast. Literally no. Or I mean, it could be, but it's time related.

Jack: He's controlling time. And look, in the time machine, we're fine. But if we turn off the time machine to get out.

Cristina: What if you. You write a list to him to tell him to deliver my gift very slowly. Would that work?

Jack: I doubt that would work because it's all gonna happen.

Cristina: It's already too late to send him a letter.

Jack: Yeah, it's happening tonight anyway. I mean, we have a time machine. It doesn't really matter.

Cristina: So then you can send him a letter.

Jack: Yeah, but that wouldn't change anything because we don't get the choose when he delivers. And how. We just ask for the thing. That's them rules, bro.

Cristina: But there's gotta be something we can tell him that would help us. Well, you can. He's already asked him for the Jesus. So now you have to come up with something that will slow him down. Tell him to eat all our cookies or something. And we'll just have a ridiculous amount of cookies.

Jack: Why would he listen to us?

Cristina: I don't know. That's your Christmas wish and he has to fulfill your wish.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. I see where you're going with this.

Cristina: So we should do something ridiculous like that.

Jack: But here's the problem. Here's the problem. And this is the issue with what we're dealing with. Right? He could eat those cookies super mega slow. He still has to get to all the houses that night. What to him is gonna look like a slowdown is still going to be so unfathomably quick to us.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We will not be able to see him. We look still to him even when he drops.

Cristina: We just had a speed bunch of trees and a bunch of gifts under those trees.

Jack: No, it would still look instant. Here's the image you got to think about, right? The Flash could circle the Earth in seconds.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Santa is going to go to each individual house on Earth by the end of the day.

Cristina: So how do we do it? There's gotta be a way. We have a few hours to figure this out.

Jack: It has to be A trap. Right, a trap. Magic. Magic surpasses dimensions and s***, Right? Magic is the way we. We can salmon dean it and, like, make a demon trap. But not for demons. Like, for Santa Claus.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we somehow catch him dampening his magic.

Cristina: Know how to use magic.

Jack: We don't. We gotta come out brainstorming here. We can figure things out.

Cristina: Okay, because we know cat people use magic, but we don't know how to use their magic. And also, their magic isn't really magic. It's their technology. And it just looks like magic.

Jack: It just looks like magic. I always forget that part. So we still don't even know if magic is real?

Cristina: Yeah, I mean, we do have creatures that have magic. Ah. Okay.

Jack: Whether abilities are. No.

Cristina: Well, no.

Jack: Magic has to be real if fairies are real.

Cristina: Could we use fairies somehow? There's nothing stronger than him. There's no way. We can't, like, ask a different God to do something. We can't ask, like, the cloud God.

Jack: No. Is Santa's from our side, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He's just a dude who figured things out.

Cristina: We think.

Jack: We think. Unless he's that thing from freaking Love.

Cristina: Death and robots, he could totally be. We don't know.

Jack: We don't know. But yeah. No, I don't think there's. This plan's gonna work. Unless we can trap him. We would need to strip him of his powers.

Cristina: How do we.

Jack: So then he falls back to normal speed.

Cristina: Well, we don't even know how his powers work.

Jack: Fear. Which is everywhere. And he's somehow tuned into it. Unless the reason he has to do everything in one day is because that's all that he has in reserve.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Like he's trying to conserve it for a reason. Otherwise, why wouldn't he just spread it out throughout more time? But he's also had this operation going for so long at the same rate that he could totally survive off that bit and have crazy amounts of it stored.

Cristina: Okay, if it was something that was running out, then the way we can solve this is by being like, one of the last places he visits. Because he'd be at his weakest.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: If that's how it works.

Jack: Well, actually. Interesting point. Interesting point. This is really good. We just have to find out where he's going last. But now the question is. Oh, no.

Cristina: There is a tracker specifically for Santa Claus.

Jack: But what happened to track where he is?

Cristina: Yeah, around the world. All the kids could see it.

Jack: Oh, that's cool.

Cristina: But I probably start. I don't know if it's too late or Whatever. Or too early. It's probably. I don't know, whatever. But what were you gonna say?

Jack: It doesn't matter if we're the last house. If he's still going so fast, our problem is slowing him down. The only way that it'll work would be with a trap.

Cristina: But you don't think going to the last place at least would help?

Jack: It would help us get to him. We can calculate who already has presence to some degree. But if his presence is going to be for one millionth of a microsecond, that's imperceptible to me. He's there for shorter than my brain processes frames.

Cristina: He travels 10 million kilometers an hour.

Jack: 10 million kilometers how? What's the speed of light? 307 million miles per hour.

Cristina: That sounds right. It's about 300 million meters per second.

Jack: Not kilometers.

Cristina: No. At least that's what Google's saying. Kilometers. Somewhere else says kilometers. It says about 300,000 kilometers per second somewhere else. I don't know. How do we compare Santa's speed to.

Jack: Well, how. What? How many kilometers are in a pointless. It's not even. Look, it's not even scratching it. It doesn't matter. It's useless math. Yeah, he's not even scratch the speed of light. Which, by the way, bravo to the freaking Flash, bro. Think about how. How much ground Santa Claus is covering instantaneously.

Cristina: Okay, but for miles per hour. If we translate what he's doing is 6 million miles per hour.

Jack: And the speed of light should be miles as well. I'm believing. Okay, here are the exact numbers. Or again, not exact. Not exact. Close. Rounded. Sake of time. Time moves at 186,000 miles per second. 186,000 miles. Santa Claus moves at 650 miles per second. He's not scratching the surface of light. No, not even. But he's moving so fast, everything is standing still.

Cristina: Yes, I read that he's faster than both the Flash and Superman. Don't know how.

Jack: I don't know how either, considering. Wait, could Flash outrun a light?

Cristina: I guess it's because Santa defies. What is it? Santa can warp space and time anyway.

Jack: Yeah, that's why I'm saying it's less about how quick he's. Actually, we're using that to calculate how much ground he's covering. But he's not actually a speedster. He's just stopping time or something.

Cristina: He is kind of like warm hole traveling.

Jack: That would still not give him enough time to hop in and out of the wormhole at every Single location on earth in a 24 hour period. There has to be a real factor of time fully coming to a halt or to a crawl in order for him to continue to do things. Even if he had all day and he spent one second at every house in real time, he wouldn't be able to. There's more houses than there are seconds.

Cristina: But somehow he's doing it because, like, he's traveling with a sleigh. He's not just popping in and out. He's.

Jack: I'm assuming that sleigh is this time machine.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay, so you can go crazy. It's a vessel of something. It's some. There's some use of that. And he has, what, eight, 12 magical other beings he takes with him?

Cristina: More magic.

Jack: More magic? Are they batteries?

Cristina: What?

Jack: Holy crap. That actually checks out. They can sustain, you know, they can float things when he's not around.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They're. They're thinking beings, and they can supply additional magic.

Cristina: Yes, but how do we stop him?

Jack: Crap. Is it actually magic?

Cristina: Yes. Do we stop? What if we jump into his sleigh? Does that help?

Jack: We'd have to steal his sleigh. But again, this assumes that the sleigh is there long enough for us to perceive it there at all. He parks, gets out casually, goes in, eats a cookie, sits down, lounges for a second, gets up, takes the gifts out of the bag, goes right back up the chimney, talks to the reindeer, gets on the sleigh, checks his phone, takes off casually.

Cristina: Is it possible to murder his reindeers?

Jack: We'd have to see them. The problem we are having entirely is that everything is gonna happen so instantly that right now it hasn't happened. And right now it just happened, and it made no difference to us.

Cristina: But there has to be a way to stop it from doing that. There has to be some type of trap.

Jack: Yes. A trap is the way I think we built a trap. He falls for the trap, has no abilities, man. 10's a hard one. This is really complicated. All things considered.

Cristina: I don't know how we're gonna do that. How do we take away his magic? I'm thinking of trap with, like, his reindeer. We get. We have zombies. The zombies can murder the reindeers, but I doubt the zombies could do anything.

Jack: Why wouldn't we want to keep the reindeer?

Cristina: Because I don't know. What if they just disappear? We're trying to stop Santa from leaving. He can't leave without his sleigh. We got the sleigh.

Jack: Maybe he can.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, yes. But if we have the sleigh. We can get to where he is. Probably with the slay technology.

Jack: Yes. Also, this is like a Wakanda situation, right?

Cristina: I mean, I guess we don't have to murder the reindeer. I just feel like it would be the easiest way to get rid of them from the. I mean, we just have to scare them away from the sleigh.

Jack: I don't think it would happen. They're magical beings. Overpowered ones.

Cristina: You don't think they're afraid of zombies?

Jack: I don't think zombies. They're ma. They're made of magic, most likely. I don't know. We had. We probably have to murder one. I still kind of want to answer the question if, like, magical beings are made of flesh.

Cristina: Okay, so we murdered just one. We gotta kill one of them, and that will scare the rest of them.

Jack: Well, we can kill something else. We can kill something even more pure magic, like a fairy.

Cristina: How are we gonna get a fairy? And how is this like Wakanda? You said Wakanda.

Jack: The North Pole, Santa's workshop and all that crap. That's the town, bro.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There's snowmen up there.

Cristina: I'm gonna get up there. But with the slave.

Jack: Did we resolve that at all? By the way, I know that there's snowmen up there and whatnot up there in the North Pole. They get made and they go on their quests for survival. Like baby turtles.

Cristina: Sure. What is the thing that needs to be resolved?

Jack: I don't know. I don't remember.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Oh, well. What were you saying?

Cristina: What are we gonna do with the sleigh? We're gonna get the sleigh somehow.

Jack: We need to get the sleigh. But we won't be able to just with Santa visiting. We. Man, he has to be on off. The only way to catch him is when he's not doing Santa stuff. When he's not going super crazy fast.

Cristina: Yeah. So we have to catch him at his home. That means we should get his sleigh to get to his.

Jack: How would we get to his home? And wherever his sleigh is, he's already at.

Cristina: That's why I think we make a bunch of homes with a bunch of trees. Just more. Just more.

Jack: It's not gonna be. We'll never make enough amount. We'll never make enough to catch him. We need to figure out the solution really is just finding out how to strip him of his abilities. Are we the bad guys? By the way, did Hitler sit around the table and they had this Conversation of how do we take them down for no reason. They don't even know we ex. How do we take them down? And they're like, but we're the good guys. Like, did they never really. Was that movie really questioning, like the reality of the matter in the movie? Yeah, the movie. What? They were making fun of it because they had the skull. And they're like, hey guys, are we the best? Are we the bad guys? And it's like, bro, is that how it happens? Like, is that how they did it? They didn't. Like, it never crossed their mind.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: And like we're over here like. Like we're gonna catch walking Santa Claus. People love this guy. He's his s***. He's so cool.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He just gives people stuff. He makes children happy.

Cristina: Well, we need him to save the world, so that makes us good again.

Jack: It's creator purpose.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Yeah. To save everybody from the future that.

Cristina: We know that is definitely coming for real, you know?

Jack: Well, maybe we don't actually know the result of my solutions.

Cristina: Yeah. So. But probably we should probably still just in case.

Jack: And also here's. Here's a question. Here's a question as we're getting to the end of this is every time we've time traveled, this feel real, real thing that's been bothering me for like two days now. Every time we've used that time machine, whoever got in, whoever went through, whoever went wherever they're going, when. When you come back, you didn't really come back.

Cristina: No. You're gone from that reality. You're just missing.

Jack: Yeah. You left.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Anytime you go back in time and then forward, you ruined it. You're somewhere else forever.

Cristina: Hopefully. You wrote a letter to your family saying you didn't die. You're just traveling. Actually. They probably think you lost your mind, I guess.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And killed yourself. And that's why you're missing. Who's gonna believe you actually traveled?

Jack: You actually. Time. That's sick though. Can you imagine that'd be dope to like leave a letter be like, hey, I am totally. I'm gonna go on a trip. Time travel, go into the future. You can see me again in many years. It's gonna be real cool. And then you run away and like leave all your. And you go move to another country or some. And you just focus on looking really young for the next, like 15 years. Really absurdly young. You try. You take photos regularly and you fix any and every problem that you see and go to the come back 15 years later. And you look the same. There's no way they think you killed yourself. You just showed up and you're like, hey, guys, I've been on some crazy adventures through time.

Cristina: Nah, it's crazy. Who would do that? That's awful.

Jack: It's an extremely elaborate why, because you.

Cristina: Made your family believe you're dead?

Jack: No, he never said anything about that. Their negativity took them there.

Cristina: Okay. Then they thought he was crazy.

Jack: Yeah, they thought he was crazy and killed himself.

Cristina: So I don't know. That sounds crazy. I don't know. That's.

Jack: That's on them.

Cristina: Insane.

Jack: You straight up told them in all.

Cristina: 10 years he's gone 15 years.

Jack: 15 years.

Cristina: Nah.

Jack: Yeah, man.

Cristina: Someone do that. That should be for our audience fair.

Jack: But then that's crazy because in X many years, man, we're screwed. Right? So we need to find a. We need to find a trap. A. Some. Some magic thing. A One of the houses. Just one of the houses needs to have or runes of some sort, right? So he needs to come in contact with things. Cold. He's gonna throw coal in places. Does he have to move things around? Does he. What is his routine so that we can like in the middle of his routine, interrupt it with something? He has to come in contact with the cookies. The cookies. And it's too obvious. It's too obviously the way to go. He's probably. How many people tried to kill Santa? Who knows? Maybe all. Every year.

Cristina: There's milk in the mad.

Jack: People putting drugs, trying to get Santa high. People leaving weed cookies out, people lacing cookies with other things. You look crack on top. People putting things in the milk. Drowning the milk in the weirdest things. LSD just squirted into the milk. Rat poison in the milk. People just trying to get at Santa.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He avoids that. There's nothing you could do to get him to drink that milk.

Cristina: He does and it doesn't affect him. That'd be badass possibility.

Jack: But yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure biological poisons wouldn't work because his magic should be stronger than his humanity.

Cristina: So what's the plan?

Jack: He's gonna come in contact with something that's a fact. He's gonna come down the chimney. That's a great target, but again, an obvious one.

Cristina: What's not on the obvious one? They're all obvious ones.

Jack: Creating a situation in which he would have to come in contact with something.

Cristina: That he wouldn't normally.

Jack: That he wouldn't normally. I know what it could be.

Cristina: What?

Jack: We'll put trackable Nanites, nanobots, you know, tiny little bots, and we can track their location. All we're going to do is put them on the surface of things in one household that he has to visit everywhere.

Cristina: Why didn't we put it on Jesus?

Jack: Because he's going to leave Jesus with you.

Cristina: But if they're nanobytes, they can't go from Jesus to him. We put it on the box. They're just hanging out on the box, spread out everywhere. Yes. Fair enough.

Jack: That just means easy trip backwards.

Cristina: Okay. I think we got to go back to the past.

Jack: Yeah, yeah.

Cristina: And take these nanobites.

Jack: Nanobots.

Cristina: Nanobots. And put down Jesus.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Not him, but the container.

Jack: The container.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. I mean, time traveling is fast, so it's not like we're wasting a bunch of time.

Jack: No, it'll be so instant for us, and we'll come to the now. So that's an easy fix. It'll be like we were gone for a split second. And the question is, will they last the next 2000 years or the previous 2000 years?

Cristina: Okay, let's go to the future and find nanobytes, bots that won't die. Like, they'll just survive anything.

Jack: Then go back into. Put them on Jesus container. Then Santa Claus is gonna grab them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then put them.

Cristina: They're gonna be on him.

Jack: They can be on him. Their goal was always Santa. Yes. And they can be on him.

Cristina: And then we'll know his location. We'll know exactly where his workshop is at the end of tonight or tomorrow, I guess, when he goes back home.

Jack: Isn't today. Is that the. Wait, today he's showing up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Right. So it's.

Cristina: Wait till he gets back home, though, when he's done all the Christmas.

Jack: Yes. And then we can follow him.

Cristina: Yes, Yes.

Jack: I guess you're right. That would be the end of tomorrow. Unless. No. Oh, my God. He's moving faster than we thought. No, he's way. He's way faster. He's way faster. Oh, my God, he's too fast. We've been thinking about this wrong, because Christmas Day, the presents are there. The presents aren't arriving throughout the day throughout the world. No, they're there instantly.

Cristina: Not everywhere instantly. So, like, when it turns 12 at each location, type thing, you know?

Jack: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Like how New Year's doesn't happen to every place at the same time. Christmas is the same. So some people are getting their presents first.

Jack: Yeah, okay, fair enough, fair enough, fair enough. Yeah, you're totally right. I was thinking he was just hitting everywhere in like a split second and.

Cristina: It'S like, pretty fast.

Jack: Pretty fast.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But literally a day worth. He literally has 24 hours to do it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: He's just following the time zones essential.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah, that helps.

Jack: He's smart. That's smart.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Man, he's solid, dude. All his plans.

Cristina: But now we have a sick plan.

Jack: We do. We do. You see, this is always a way. There's always a way. This is an easy one, too. That solution is great. Probably use that one in the future again.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You could use that on everything.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: Just optimize catching s***, man.

Cristina: I feel like we should have probably used this before. There's probably situations. We needed this and so many things.

Jack: But now we. Now we got. Look, let's not look back and be sad. Let's look forward and be happy. We have it now. Anyways, I'm excited for tonight.

Cristina: Ho, ho, ho.

Jack: Santa does it for the hoes.

Cristina: Oh, yes.

Jack: But I'm excited. We're gonna catch him. This is definite. Definite. Well, I don't know if we're gonna catch him. We're gonna know where he is.

Cristina: Yes, that's the plan. We don't. We're not catching him.

Jack: Then we can just go over there and talk to him. He shouldn't just be existing in super speed otherwise. Like, how many years has he lived from his point of view?

Cristina: He's a God.

Jack: He is a guy that could be infinite.

Cristina: Yep. We'll find out.

Jack: We will find out. We could go face to face with this man. Anyways. Anyways. Anyways. You guys can follow us on social media platforms all over the world, but the main ones are Instagram, Twitter and TikTok at just combo pod.

Cristina: And remember to subscribe and review the show.

Jack: Yeah. Leave us reviews. Leave us messages as well. Leave us stars and rates and.

Cristina: Emojis.

Jack: Emojis. And send us millions of dollars in money.

Cristina: And money. That's the only way I let people who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yeah. People who are curious as to how we're gonna catch Santa. We crack the code. We've accomplished it. We figured it out. We have a plan now.

Cristina: We have a plan.

Jack: We have a plan.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast Take Magnificent ethics for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: What?

Jack: No. No f****** way. You're making money just to get to work. Holy s***.

Cristina: That is sad.

Jack: That's pathetic. But that's such a high number of people think that this is a. A reasonable, sustainable way to live life. And it's like, what life are you living, dude?

Cristina: I don't know. You can do whatever, but the TV or I guess the phone screen is.

Jack: And it's like, oh, I'm tired. No, you got a lack of motivation. There's a difference. The fact that you can watch TV for however long, you're not tired. You'd go to sleep if you were tired.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The lack of motivation is what has you. You're stressed because you f****** suck it up. Have some discipline.

Cristina: Yes. Do something else.

Jack: Yeah. People are undisciplined. There's a bunch of f****** entitlement. I deserve this. It's like, well, did you try to get it? Are you hoping somebody brings it to you?

Cristina: Like what? Like, they think they should know how to draw when they pick up a pencil or something.

Jack: Yeah, I guess. Yeah. That's an example of just, like, they want success, so I shouldn't have this light? Well, f****** work to get out of there then. The f***?

Cristina: Yeah. Practice.

Jack: Yeah. Do something productive to exit your situation, but just f****** waking up every day and doing the same g****** routine. How the f***?

Cristina: Mm. Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 205: Snowmen and Santa

What is bringing Snowmen to life? Is Santa somehow related? Does Frosty have arms or legs? The duo investigates the relationship between Santa and Frosty in order to answer these pressing questions and more.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

  • Frosty
  • Santa
  • Magic
  • Elves
  • Snow
  • Killer Snowmen
  • Michael Keaton’s Jack Frost
  • Snowman Mobility

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+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I guess.

Cristina: You guess? I guess what?

Jack: I suppose that's what we do.

Cristina: Are we changing things up?

Jack: Sure. Yeah. Monumental changes. All of the changes that have ever existed.

Cristina: What are the changes? You know, the changes already.

Jack: No, but everything's always changing gradually in tiny little increments. But. But today is some point in December.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: A day of December, you could say. Okay, yeah, a December day. Mid December day, probably early December. Or is it middle? Middle is mid December. It's a mid December day.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And snow is on its way.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Christmas is around the corner.

Cristina: Whether you're gonna continue rhyming.

Jack: I don't know. I was thinking about it, but I don't know what to put there.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But snow's around the corner.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And we need to go out of something with. Oh, okay. But when we do do that, we need to. I'm thinking. Right. I'm thinking we're talking about Santa Claus and we're talking about cryogenics and, like, the positive. Like, frozen people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And I'm like, look, we can. Snow's coming. Snow's gonna come all over the place. Snow's definitely gonna come all over the place. And this is an interesting opportunity for us to capture ourselves a frosty. Whatever that might be.

Cristina: The snowman. You want to catch the snowman?

Jack: Well, Frosty Jack Frost. Any. Any of these living snow people snow. They must one. All things considered. Doesn't that just mean. I was thinking, like, it's gonna snow. Since you're, like, gonna spawn around us.

Cristina: They have to make them.

Jack: I don't know. Is that part of the thing? You gotta make them?

Cristina: I think so. They don't make themselves.

Jack: Like there aren't. Just a bit interesting. This would make all of them asexual. I guess it would have to be. And they just make other snowmen. That's why there's more. Unless all the snowmen ever made just run away and join a village of snow people.

Cristina: Yes, but they're always men. They're not asexual. Wait, asexual?

Jack: I mean, yeah, there's no. There's no gender. I guess that's wrong somehow. That's incorrect because there's no females. There's. How do you determine it's a male?

Cristina: It Knows that's probably. It's private. We don't know.

Jack: Interesting point, interesting point. This takes me back to the year was 1817 or something. And scary movie was happening. And the alien cannot have happened that long ago. The alien shook hands with the guy and then like stuck his hand in the guy's mouth or whatever. And then it turns out he pees through his finger.

Cristina: Oh, yes.

Jack: That's his p****.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. I think I remember something like that. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. This is related.

Cristina: One of those scary movies. It was not 18 something.

Jack: It was probably the third or fourth. 1800s.

Cristina: Scary movie.

Jack: 1800S. What was the earliest movie made?

Cristina: 19. 200. 2000. 2000.

Jack: The earliest movie came out in the year 2000?

Cristina: Yes, that's my guess.

Jack: That's your guess?

Cristina: Yeah. What's your guess? You're really thinking 18, 1912. What are you talking about?

Jack: The earliest movie?

Cristina: Oh, I thought you meant scary movie.

Jack: Oh, no, just movie in general.

Cristina: Oh, I would say.

Jack: Okay, first your question and my question.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Scary movie one, 2001.

Cristina: Okay, that makes sense, right?

Jack: Yeah. 2001. That's my. That's my guess.

Cristina: That was what I was gonna say. I wasn't talking about the first movie. Why would I think the first. The first movie came. That's not scary movie 2000. 2000. Is that my guess? I think that was my guess.

Jack: Yeah, that was your guess. 2000. My guess was 2001.

Cristina: The first movie, though.

Jack: The first movie ever, I believe happened nine. Early 1900s.

Cristina: 1800.

Jack: Think it's 1800s. I am convinced. I say, like I said, 1912. What's your guess?

Cristina: 1850.

Jack: Your guess is 18.

Cristina: 1850. No, that's not a person. That's a person. First freaking movie.

Jack: 1888. Oh, 1888.

Cristina: Oh, look at that. Okay, I wasn't that far off. I said 1850.

Jack: 1850. I think I was closer than you were, I guess. Well, maybe.

Cristina: Maybe 18.

Jack: Yeah, I said 1912. So how far away are you? That would have been 40 to get there. So that's 38. And I.

Cristina: We might have been as far as each other.

Jack: No, I was 32. You were 38.

Cristina: That is not far off.

Jack: That's far off enough.

Cristina: That's six, four years.

Jack: The six years difference. Where's your math at?

Cristina: 30. Oh, yeah. Six years. Six years. Yeah. Yes.

Jack: The six year difference. I was closer by a significant. It wasn't like one. It was notable.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: It was like, hey, it's obvious.

Cristina: I feel like if most people guesstimated, it would be not far off from either of us.

Jack: So you think. No, I think people would guess, like, 1940, on average.

Cristina: 1940.

Jack: That's my bet.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess.

Jack: I think that's where people will be like, oh, yeah, sure. Around. Around the world wars. Was there film before the world wars? People don't know. People don't know things. I was still wrong.

Cristina: You're both wrong.

Jack: You thought you were living in a steampunk reality.

Cristina: How wasn't that awful? I. My first numbers were the same.

Jack: Your first numbers were the same.

Cristina: One and eight. I got it there.

Jack: Yeah. Fair.

Cristina: Fair.

Jack: I had no numbers in the comments.

Cristina: Exactly. That's what makes me closer. Okay. No, not. Yeah, but what are you talking about? Which snowman?

Jack: Yeah. So we're gonna catch any kind of snowman. That would be the ultimate, most awesome goal because we got a bunch of things, and I think it would be cool if we could catch one of those things, but I'm not sure what those things are. So I figured we could start learning about what snow is, and that might figure out what the h*** a living snow beings. It's. Man. My question is, here's a thought, right? Christmas Day, Santa Claus is flying around instantaneously because he stopped all of time, making him crazy, overpowered. And in this day, that takes him a literal year to accomplish. Even with magic. He literally visits without outrans every house on Earth, Right.

Cristina: He's in the Speed Force. Like, he's not doing it, like, instantaneously. It takes him a whole day.

Jack: It takes him a year.

Cristina: It takes him a year.

Jack: It takes him a year, but he does it in what looks to us like a day. But he stopped time.

Cristina: Oh, that's what you're thinking.

Jack: He's so overpowered. Yeah. He still has to travel.

Cristina: Do you think he wasted a whole year of his life to do this?

Jack: He lives forever, I guess.

Cristina: But what kind of time warping is that? He's doing a year, but it's for us, one day.

Jack: Yeah. Isn't that how God time works? Like, it felt like a year happened to him, so he managed to do that much s***. But to us, a single day went by. That's how fast, by comparison, he moves.

Cristina: But would that be like fear of the flash? Like, would it feel that way? How long does it take for him to travel? Like, does it feel a year?

Jack: I don't know. That's an interesting question, right? That is interesting here. Does somebody. Do speedsters age faster?

Cristina: I don't think they do, though.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Because he's so. I don't know. They don't age him, so it's hard to tell if he's aging. Like, if they saw him, took him to the doctor. How old is his body?

Jack: I don't know. But if Santa Claus lives forever, who lives forever?

Cristina: Doesn't matter how old his body is.

Jack: In this one year's time in his travels, Maybe his sleigh. I don't know what. Something is releasing the magic. It could be him intentionally going up the snowman and being like, boom, now you got life. Maybe his sleigh is just sprinkling magic over random places. When it hits a snowman, boom, it got life.

Cristina: Oh, that could be it.

Jack: Don't know. It could be any. It could be anything. They could just be like, if you make a snowman round enough or some s***. Maybe Earth has a spel spellcast on and like, boom, it just comes to life. I don't know.

Cristina: I don't think he's purposely making snowmen, though.

Jack: Why? You don't think that's part of his army? He has elves. Did he make elves? Did he make deals with elves?

Cristina: Yeah, probably. Why would he need snowmen?

Jack: You think he made them or he made deals with them? Snowmen, no.

Cristina: Elves deals, probably. I don't think he made them, but I don't think he has anything to do with snowmen.

Jack: But I also think he's so overpowered, maybe he could make elves. I don't know. Well, his power is mainly knowledge, and that's so overpowered. Knowledge and immortality and some.

Cristina: Some sort of time making elves.

Jack: But why would there be stories? This setup could have existed before anybody knew about it. And when they found out, like, the history of it was already lost. How long must have Santa Claus have been working in secrecy before anybody conceived of him. And it's probably somebody who was there and ran away. He was rural as f***.

Cristina: Nobody's finding him just a type of fairy. Why would he be making them elves?

Jack: I don't. Are we sure they're a type of fairy? That's the question, right?

Cristina: Yes, for sure. I think so.

Jack: His elves. North Pole elves. I think here's a problem. They're just tiny people, but they're magical tiny people, but they're also abnormally tiny. They're like below dwarf.

Cristina: Elves are like, very. I don't know.

Jack: But these are elves like the other elves. Elves are usually really tall.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Yeah. Elvens are very tall.

Cristina: Leprechauns, I don't. There's fairies.

Jack: The leprechaun is not an elf.

Cristina: It's a type of fairy. They're all types of fairies.

Jack: No, yeah, I know. The leprechaun is definitely a type of fairy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's unrelated to a North Pole elf.

Cristina: Yeah. Which could be different from other elves that are tall. Like, it could be a different tree or whatever.

Jack: Wait, so you're saying even like Lord of the Ring elves are fairies?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They don't have magic. Do they have magic?

Cristina: I don't know if they have magic, but they're a type of fairy.

Jack: Wait, no. But like, a signature thing of fairiness is magic. You can't just be a fairy and not have magic. Then where the. Like, what are you then how.

Cristina: They're all. But if you look at the lore of Ireland, all the different creatures, they're all just types of fairies, which are elves and dwarves and leprechauns and all that stuff.

Jack: Yes, but when they mean elves, they mean Lord of the Ring elves, not Santa Claus elves. This is what I'm thinking. I'm thinking it's like the problem with calling a Native American an Indian and somebody from India an Indian is because one Native American is the right word here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That allows also the distinction of. Well, then when you say Indian, you mean those people. That's the same logic that's happening here.

Cristina: But there are some elves that behave like the elves in the North Pole. Like the ones that want to fix your shoes.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Aren't they almost the same in that way that they just want to make something?

Jack: But is that an elf or a dwarf?

Cristina: I don't know. It's a fairy. It's a tiny.

Jack: It's a fairy. That's what I'm saying. That's a fairy type. That's a fairy for sure. But that's just a tiny person. Stop generalizing tiny people. He is just a tiny person with magic. That doesn't necessarily mean that the tiny people with magic that we're calling elves are one even related to fairy elves. I think Santa Claus is using the wrong word. Or this is human error.

Cristina: Human error.

Jack: And we're calling them elves. But they're not elves. There's some other s***, because I don't this. We're hard pressed to even believe they're biological.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Like, are they living things?

Jack: If you were to kill an elf, do you kill an elf? If you rip it open, is your blood is like. Or is it like a drone?

Cristina: I don't know. Because they are just making stuff. Do they eat? Do they sleep? Do they drink? I don't know. They do anything. Do they do anything?

Jack: Are they all Edward Scissorhands? Interesting. We don't actually know.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: We know so little about those. Which in any case, if Santa Claus did make a bunch of elves, this is entire point of this was to say that he wouldn't. He could be out there also making a bunch of snowmen.

Cristina: But why? I don't know, because like snowmen makes sense. If Santa Claus couldn't see already what you're doing, but he already has that power. And that would be the power of snowman to see what you're doing. Yeah. Like, yeah, if he were to use the snowman.

Jack: You're saying snowmen are watchtowers?

Cristina: Yes. If he didn't already have the ability to know everything. Exactly.

Jack: Everything.

Cristina: So then what's the point? Why would he need snowmen? Like, what else could he use them for? That would be the reason to use them.

Jack: I don't know. Why would that be the only reason? Maybe.

Cristina: Oh, that's all he was acting of.

Jack: He could be. That could be his equivalent of Krampus. And it's like the. Think about it. None of these snowmen turn out well. There's just a lot of bad news attached to snow. Sentient snowman.

Cristina: I haven't heard of any.

Jack: There's only one. The hero. The hero of the snowman.

Cristina: You only hear the good story.

Jack: Frosty the Snowman.

Cristina: He's a friendly snowman.

Jack: Yeah, he's the only one.

Cristina: What about Jack Frost? He said Jack Frost.

Jack: Jack Frost is a killer.

Cristina: No, he's not. Yeah, he's just a dad who died and became a snowman. That's not him.

Jack: Oh, you were thinking. Thinking Michael Keaton comedy dad. I guess. That's all. I guess. Okay, fair enough. There's two. Fair enough. There's two good snowmen.

Cristina: Okay, there you go.

Jack: But every other snowman is a murderer.

Cristina: How many other snowmen are there?

Jack: Well, there's Jack Frost, I guess. The alternate universe.

Cristina: Jack Frost that murders.

Jack: Yeah, he's a killer. The original Jack Frost is a horror movie.

Cristina: He's an actual snowman.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And he actually goes around killing people.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What?

Jack: You see, there's a bunch of them.

Cristina: But are there more than there are of good snowmen? And also, what would be the purpose of having evil snowmen?

Jack: What do you mean? What would be the purpose of having evil snowmen?

Cristina: Santa Claus having good snowmen and bad snowmen. What would be the purpose?

Jack: I think probably they're made to be bad. That's why. That's the majority the minority would be where he goes wrong. I don't think he'd be doing something in which it's.

Cristina: But why would he need them?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Because he already has Krumpus.

Jack: Is he working with Krampus or is that guy trying to steal business?

Cristina: No, they work together for a fact. Yes. He tells him who are the bad kids.

Jack: Right. Krampus is like his assistant or something. Yeah, or his first in command. Assistant is a demeaning word for his job. He is the first in command.

Cristina: So then why would he need snowmen? Like.

Jack: Yes, they must be performing. They must be performing different jobs.

Cristina: I don't think he'd want people dead though.

Jack: Maybe he's not killing them. So then let's think about it. Let's think about it. That would be the logical next step. We know children make them okay. What is the importance is that the Santa Claus also make them screw. How they come to life? Where are they being built? Does he spawn them as snowmen? And kids are imitating what they've seen. Is that what's happening? They got passed through tradition. Is that part of his mind fuckery? Like getting everybody scared?

Cristina: She has nothing to do with these snowmen.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: The first snowman had nothing to do. Like what story links snowmen to Santa? If you watch their history.

Jack: Besides, imagine the fact that it's happening on Christmas.

Cristina: It's not just happening on Christmas. It just happens to happen around the Christmas time because. No.

Jack: So you're telling me Frosty only forms when there's snow? Not when there's snow on Christmas?

Cristina: No, definitely not. It's probably before Christmas. Not on the exact Christmas day. He's around long enough to see Christmas Day probably hold up.

Jack: Maybe not.

Cristina: Maybe not.

Jack: Maybe not. There's a song we can actually reference. And we know all the people who write music are connected to the dark world one way or another. But I'm thinking of white Christmas. They're already discussing hoping for snow on Christmas day. That's an actual. That's a point in which two things have crossed.

Cristina: But do they mention Frosty? Like what does that relate.

Jack: Well, all we know is Christmas plus snow. What other instance of snow do we have? Is there something else weird happening with snow? Because he's mentioning Christmas, which is the weird day and snow. The only thing we know relative to snow is snowmen as of now. So something about snowman and Christmas. Boom. That's where they gain life. An assumption, I'm guessing.

Cristina: What? Okay.

Jack: But that's the only connection we have.

Cristina: I Don't think so. I don't know that it's weird. I don't think because they don't. They're around when Christmas happens, but I don't think it relates.

Jack: I think every story involving a killer snowman is happening nearest not just when it snowed. We're not talking January 15th. We're talking always. Always like a day before or of Christmas. Always, I assure you. Okay, so I'm right about before, but.

Cristina: Yeah, it happens a week before Christmas.

Jack: Interesting. Did I guess why was before? Is there an instance of after? Is there like a January?

Cristina: No, I don't think so. It has to be December. There's something magical about the month December. Yes, because Christmas. It has to do with Christmas. But I don't know if it has to do with Santa because also Jesus is.

Jack: Yeah, the Christmas is only a special day that was originally chosen in order to celebrate Jesus in some manner, shape or form. And it had nothing to do in the first first place with Santa Claus. I think that was superimposed later.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So it's December. There's something about December.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But there is a guy who turned out to be Santa Claus. That's happening. He just happens. So whoever the h*** is Santa Claus is also using the magic of this just takes it more likely than it really is. Probably just St. Nicholas and he figured out some hole in the matrix. He figured out the fear system and he also figured out to do it on the most exaggeratedly magical month.

Cristina: Oh, duh. Okay.

Jack: Thus maximizing his.

Cristina: It's magical and prob.

Jack: Now here's a. Holy s***. Okay, now I'm convinced these aren't real elves. Like Elvens. I think that they are just magic. And here's the horrifying part of it. They probably only exist during December. And then they're just f****** blinked out. Because the magic that's keeping them, that's sustaining them, is just gone.

Cristina: You're saying it takes them just December to make the presents? It takes them 25 days or 24 days? 23.23days to make everything. That's kind of crazy. That's intense.

Jack: How many of them must there be to supply the world?

Cristina: But how is he getting that much magic? That's crazy.

Jack: It's the month he somehow figured. So we're talking about a super mega genius who's cracked so many different approaches to getting magic and energy through every mean all the means possible. Thus becoming the most godly God. But having existed only 200 years, maybe 300 at most.

Cristina: But you still think he's connected to the snowman.

Jack: I do.

Cristina: But why?

Jack: Because. I don't know. Somehow it's been connected to Christmas. Somehow. Some. There is at least the loosest connection. That's for a fact. I know that's a fact.

Cristina: Because it's the same month.

Jack: It's connected to the same month. For sure. They're both things in December.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But Christmas and Frosty the Snowman song and White Christmas, talking about snow and like, there's. There's a really loose connection about something involving snowmen or snow. At least snow, bare minimum. But there's magical month, and there's this weird day also. What the h*** is happening on the 25th? It's Christmas. But what energy source is beneath this that makes it the most optimal day for Santa? That's another thing we haven't thought about.

Cristina: What.

Jack: What's happening with 25 December that makes it the. Like, that's the peak.

Cristina: It's actually December 4th. Because the kids are praying on December 4th for their gifts.

Jack: No, I'm saying when he delivers them.

Cristina: Because when he delivers them, there's no magic. There's nothing. The optimum would be beforehand. That's giving him all the energy. The kids the day before, stressing, praying, hoping, all the stuff that they've been.

Jack: No, no. He's been gathering energy the entire time.

Cristina: Yeah. It's so much more the day before.

Jack: Well, he still hoards that energy rather than using it. Something about the. I think the 25th. Because you're not going to use that energy and then wait for the 25th. You want all of it. You use the bare minimum to hear their prayers and everybody. You see everything. Well, I guess you're always doing that part. Yeah, but then you need to get it. You need to stop all of time, get everywhere, all at the same time. In what seems like the switch between 11:59 and 12:00am the next morning, December 24 and December 25, in that change from one minute to another, you need to have began and ended your entire journey. That's when you need the energy. When people are like, am I gonna get the coal?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or am I gonna get the gift? As opposed to when you're praying for. You're like. Well, now you're hopeful. You're also thinking about.

Cristina: But there's no way. Frosty. I just can't think that the snowman, because they're killers, he's not interested in blood sacrifices. As long as. As we can tell, Sansa is not a bloodthirsty monster like everything else. Unless he is. Because then that's what Frosty would say. That's like if he was in control of Frosty.

Jack: Okay, okay. No, you're totally right. Interesting point, Interesting point. Alright, so maybe, maybe he's not related in the way we think he's related. So he is related, but he didn't make them. Think about it like this. Just because he doesn't need to take a life doesn't mean he gives a s*** about life. Those are two very different things. Now he has come across this amazing energy source that makes him overpowered. There's no threat to him, period. Yeah, most overpowered anything that's ever existed. And maybe he didn't make the elves either. Maybe that there. He cut them in on the deal, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay, why wouldn't he cut in the snowmen? Maybe they're just coming to life. Maybe that's how it works. I don't know. Maybe there's different ways of reproducing. I don't understand how it works. But maybe a perfect enough snowman just, you know, poof, I'm alive now. And maybe in order to sustain themselves, they need to have blood that immediately gives them the immortality and they won't melt away or something.

Cristina: I don't know. Because that would just mean he is a blood drinking monster too.

Jack: No, that doesn't mean he's a blood drinking monster. Why would that mean he is?

Cristina: He'd be cool. Why?

Jack: Why would he care?

Cristina: I don't know. The cloud people care because it just gives them a bad name. So wouldn't the snowman give him a bad name?

Jack: Well, you just entirely defended their division, which seems to be working. So if they do work together, at least it's working that they're keeping it secret.

Cristina: Ah, okay.

Jack: So there's no problem whose image is being ruined if you come, you yourself saw no connection between them, so that whatever they're hiding it. Well, they have successfully completed their mission. Okay, so he can still, you know, and it's more fear for him.

Cristina: Yes, but then would he not want that blood too?

Jack: He's not gonna mess himself up. He stays in control by not having the. The adrenochrome is the problem. Creatures that live off of the fear are still themselves.

Cristina: Creatures that what?

Jack: Creatures that live off of fear alone are just fine. Yeah, they don't change, they don't alter.

Cristina: No, we don't. There's stories about evil Santas out there too. So was that Krampus? And people are getting them confused.

Jack: Well, the argument would be people are in Disbelief of Santa and are like, that's. That must be some other thing. That's not Santa Claus. But maybe like he's f****** God, dude. What the h*** does he care enter your house and kill you as much as enter your house and leave your present. It's all the same to him.

Cristina: Okay. What?

Jack: He relies on the fear which requires the vast majority of people to be alive. But he could just be like, screw this town. I'mma just extinct everybody here.

Cristina: I guess he could do that.

Jack: Like why? Who's stopping him? Why would he care that they're trying to stop him? Boom. Slowed down time around you. Now there's nothing you could do.

Cristina: Yeah, but still, it's really hard to imagine the Snowman and him having to do with anything with each other. But it's possible. But I just. There's no stories of them hanging out, is there?

Jack: No, but we do know that there's a lot of north poliness to Frosty and stuff like that, so. And all these things about Santa Claus and Frosty hanging out, there are like images. There are, you know, ideas people have had about hanging out. Where are they getting these ideas from? Where does again, there's something planted the seed.

Cristina: But he also seems to be hanging out with magical deers and yes, the snowman guy. Not the snowman, the Bigfoot, but snowy.

Jack: Oh, wait, Yeti.

Cristina: Yeti the friend. The snowman.

Jack: I mean Santa, the abominable snowman. Yeah, yeah, that's Yeti. Okay, so yeah, so Santa Claus hangs out with magical things consistently.

Cristina: But does that mean he's making them?

Jack: Well, no, at this point we're thinking he's not making them. This is just a different creature. These creatures. Creatures are becoming sentient and they are maintaining their life force through adrenochrome.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That'S the trick. And he. Santa directs them. Not necessarily directs them, but you know, on this magical month, I will cut you in on the fear thing. And there's. I mean, I guess here's a problem, right? Somebody like Frosty is benefiting off of the fear. That's his connection to Santa Claus. But somebody like Jack Frost, the murderer, not the dad, go. I mean, I guess a murderer could be a dad too. Yeah, I guess it's the same s***. But anyways, point being that Jack Frost the murderer could in theory just have gone rogue and just like f*** it. We're all. There's probably a bunch of them. There's probably a bunch of so many snowmen. Some of them have to be killers and they have to. We spot Those?

Cristina: Yeah, that's all that's happening. No one takes care of them in the snow world or whatever. There's no policing.

Jack: Well, no. Then we'd see snowmen chasing snowmen in the streets. Those snowmen are taking blood. Where is the only place they can take blood from? They can't eat an elf. An elf is maybe just magic.

Cristina: Yeah. And Sam, what about the deer?

Jack: Are the deer deer? Are the deer magic?

Cristina: Because they could be magical deer that they would still have blood.

Jack: Yeah, but then are they more creatures?

Cristina: Not bloody.

Jack: Are they more magical than the snowmen? Because I'm pretty sure. And like, wouldn't that make them way too overpowered if they had magic? D***. I would have considered magic. Adrenochrome.

Cristina: What does that mean? Isn't adrenochrome magical?

Jack: Well, adrenochrome gives abilities. I don't know if it's magical, but if you had the adrenaline filled blood of a magical creature, that's way different than just having the adrenaline filled blood of a non magical creature.

Cristina: No, no, because then they'd be hunting each other. Like why would they be interested in us at all if we're like nothing compared to them? If they got the good blood first.

Jack: The snowmen don't have blood.

Cristina: No, I'm talking about magical creatures in general. Anything that comes from the other place doesn't have blood. You're saying none of those things have blood?

Jack: Yeah, because it's not even really a physical place.

Cristina: Or what about the things here that have adrenochrome? They're not like out killing each other. They're just getting more. Attacking people. Regular people.

Jack: Yeah. So this is the trick. This is the trick. You're talking about a creature that had blood that wasn't magical. It was just adrenochrome then eating the blood of a different creature that's had adrenochrome but also isn't magical. That's very different than tasting adrenochrome made of the blood of something magical. I'm sure those things probably just kill each other or just other magical things.

Cristina: But then the deers would be killing each other. Right? Because then what's the point?

Jack: I'm sure they've killed. Gotten rid of any. I'm sure in those cases they get rid of them almost instantaneously. We have seen cases of that. Think of the clouds.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They make sure the problem isn't their problem.

Cristina: But it's not supposed to use new deers every year. Because that's gonna be a problem.

Jack: No. Why are There. Deer just actively drinking blood because aren't.

Cristina: They attracted to it? I don't know.

Jack: What? They're just magic?

Cristina: They're just magic.

Jack: Why would. Is he injecting them with a. I don't understand how they're getting the first taste and then immediately becoming addicted.

Cristina: That's not how it works. I don't know.

Jack: No, they're just deer. Where do we get to the deers taking hella adrenochrome.

Cristina: Okay. I don't know. They're. They're not adrenochrome deers. Okay.

Jack: No, the snowmen are maybe.

Cristina: Maybe. Okay.

Jack: The ones who are killing, at least.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or maybe there's something particular about the people they're killing. Maybe they're moral. Maybe this is a moral act, and we're like, oh, they're evil for killing, but it's like, maybe they're killing killers. I don't know. Maybe they're Dexter.

Cristina: No, I don't think so. I don't know. Nah. Because then that makes it feel like then, yeah, they're working for Santa.

Jack: If they're killing killers.

Cristina: Yes. If they're killing for the good and Santa likes to punish bad and do good for good, they'd be doing that.

Jack: He sounds more like Baphomet to some degree. He's just very fair. If you're a douche, I will be a douche back to you. If you're kind, I will be kind to you.

Cristina: Yeah, but if he has the snowmen doing the same thing, well, maybe there's.

Jack: Extra bad and then there's extra good. The elves are the creatures that make the thing. Whatever you can imagine imagine, they'll come up with. Meanwhile, the snowmen, whatever nightmare you can have, they'll recreate Freddy Krueger style.

Cristina: I don't know how many people are.

Jack: Horrified of snowmen, the ones getting murdered by them.

Cristina: There's not that many evil snowmen.

Jack: Well, we don't know that that's a question. We just know about the famous ones. How many don't we know about?

Cristina: Oh, I don't know, because I guess they can't really be everywhere anyway, because even in places that snow, you still need enough snow.

Jack: Yes. They'll only show up when there's enough snow, and then they immediately begin their journey the f*** out of there to somewhere. Like, there are two locations that they go. Up north or down south of Earth. Yeah, that's where they live. They have to go there. So the journey begins immediately, and it is like baby turtles. When baby turtles are born.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's like, huge probability they're not making it.

Cristina: The majority down south, that's too much hot before the cold.

Jack: Well, no, the ones down south would be going down south from the south of the equator. That would be the nearest cold spot for them.

Cristina: Okay. But they gotta travel through water in.

Jack: Most cases, even up here. North. Most of us have to travel through water to get to the most north. North.

Cristina: I guess. Don't know.

Jack: But they'll figure it out. Boats and s***. They'll still be. They'll still be. I don't know. I don't think it's like. Like a silver surfer type of abilities that he could just create an ice surface.

Cristina: It's actually probably just ice up there to travel through.

Jack: Yeah, he's probably just looking like, sliding over ice.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. It's weird because, like, why wouldn't the penguins kill them?

Jack: Well, no, it depends, man. Maybe the penguins are used to this.

Cristina: Penguins are just.

Jack: It's possible the penguins are further out in the North Pole. But no, because they're still protecting from people getting at least to Santa. And Santa should be dead center. And then is the other side of.

Cristina: The wall, the snowman. I mean, the penguins aren't protecting Santa. They're protecting people from crossing.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: The outer.

Jack: Into the humans.

Cristina: Humans? Oh, just humans.

Jack: Yeah. We cross all the time, huh?

Cristina: Yes. Yes. Okay.

Jack: Humans. Just humans.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: It's important that humans don't know the truth. I don't know why, but it's in. It's beyond our pay grade. Okay, but humans are supposed to just be ignorant to things.

Cristina: But.

Jack: Yeah. So the snowmen make the trek. That's interesting. Right? So they're born a kid. Unwilling group of kids. Unwilling unknowing. Unknowing group of children make a snowman.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And it's perfect enough. And it's just sitting there. And then one kid is like, oh, I know what to do. Put a hat on it.

Cristina: And then.

Jack: And then for whatever. It's a hat. That gives him magic, right? Some combination.

Cristina: Some combination, yes. But those are good snowmen. Bad snowmen are more like Chucky the doll.

Jack: Well, maybe those are the killers. Maybe it's not adrenochrome. Maybe it's deformity and retardation or something. You know, maybe it's just a crazy monster of some sort of. He's just an animal.

Cristina: An animal?

Jack: Yeah. Some sort of a feral creature. I guess that's because it's made incorrectly. And then the closer to perfect you are. The more round, the more precise, the more like sentience you have. Maybe that's the bar. Right. The genetic handout. Their genetic handout is. Well, one, that makes every human that's ever made a snowman God.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And two, that is the. The level of the human that made them's ability, usually an older human. And also, and also, humans have one of the longest lifespans of all creatures on earth, aside from reptiles. We're like, okay. No, we're just up there, up there. To a lot of things, we're the f****** elves.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: To a dog, we're the elves will outlive all their generations. They'd have one when you were born. And that dog dies in your early 20s. But you have their children's children's children already.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What, 50 years later you still got their children's children's children's children. There's tales that went down that dog's timeline and family history about how these elves have always been in our lives.

Cristina: But how does that relate to the snowmen?

Jack: Well, to snowmen, the humans that make them usually outlive most of them by quite a significant margin. Snowmen on average live maybe two days.

Cristina: Really? I was thinking like a month.

Jack: Well, depends on the snow. Oh, fair enough. Some weeks, you know, the most they could ever live without completing the journey is three months. The most, like record breaking. It's got to be less. I'm saying the most. The top end of like the coldest, most impossibly insufferable amount of cold. Yeah, a month in our area at least. Yeah, in our area. A month in the places up north where it never stops snowing. Many of them survive, but the closer to the equator, like, the equator's the nightmare. To the f******. It's a place they literally couldn't see. They could literally never make it. It would be impossible.

Cristina: But if there was traveling snowmen, wouldn't that be a story?

Jack: The stories of the equators.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: The story of the equator. What?

Cristina: Story of traveling snowmen.

Jack: Well, no, they all go to the same place away from people.

Jack: Why would humans tell the tales of creatures that only have stories to tell if they've made it out of our reach?

Cristina: It's just these stories with the snowmen. They're all hanging out wherever they're at, wherever they were made. They're not leaving town, just. This is my home now.

Jack: Interesting, because they just come to sentience at random. Maybe the journey only begins when they realize what's gonna happen. So they come to the conclusion that oh far.

Cristina: That's probably why so many of them die. So many dead snowmen.

Jack: They always. Yes. Anywhere that there's heat that comes after the cold. Because up north again, that's where most of them come from. Most of them come from up north. And most of them go further north. Or at least stay north enough so that they can never be just melted out one day.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's where they exist. But some of them show up with a tail. Oh no. I was born down south. The s*** I have been through to get here. Oh, your life couldn't comprehend. Your tiny little privileged brain born up here in the snow covered plains. You can comprehend what it's like running from the sun.

Cristina: There's no way a snowman can have existed for that long, could have traveled that far.

Jack: Why you just gotta make it before the temperature gets to the point that you would die. Most of them fail.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But any of them that figure out the conclusion and it's like zero degrees outside, couldn't make it from far enough. And again there's a million places where snow never ends and where it's always cold and it's never hot enough to melt.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And those snowmen are perfectly fine. In fact they just go north anyways for safety's sake. But still.

Cristina: But there's nothing besides that they're made from magic. They're not magical as far as I can tell.

Jack: It seems to be that that's magic is their. Whatever their life force is the same way that we. Like the soul is the word we came up with for whatever thing powers us. Yeah, we don't know what powers us. Which is a weird thought of its own. But yeah, we don't know what powers us. We just. We work. The same thing happens. So magic seems to be like the. At the core of a snowman. But other than the fact that they are made or magic is pumping through their veins, they don't seem magical. There's somehow this being this very grounded, very real.

Cristina: That's why I don't think they're traveling. Because most of the times when you see a snowman. I don't know about the killer snowman, but is he moving? Because like I'm thinking of the other snowman and I think his kids had to move him around.

Jack: You're thinking of the fatherly Jack Frost.

Cristina: Yeah, like he can't actually travel. I don't think Frosty could either. I think they're just. Unless they're like in frozen. They have a snowman. Does he travel around? I don't know. I think so, but I think he has no feet. Maybe. I don't know. I have no idea what.

Jack: But yeah, like, mechanically it wouldn't make sense. Right. Like, how would his legs move if they're made of snow?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And I'm sure sticks wouldn't support the weight of the snow built like that.

Cristina: And also, like, wouldn't they just slowly lose the snow that they're made of even if they were just rolling or not rolling?

Jack: But no, if they plop themselves over and over, they'll gather snow.

Cristina: If they plop.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That means they have to pick themselves up.

Jack: Yeah. And put themselves down. So that's an interesting way to move. But if they could. If their hands could support the weight, then they could just make legs. If their arms made of sticks could support the weight of the three different sections put together enough to move in a hopping motion, then definitely he could just make legs because they could already support the weight.

Cristina: There's no way. Because those arms are so thin, they just break if you try to do anything with them.

Jack: Then maybe this is where the magic.

Cristina: Comes in, keeping them together.

Jack: Yeah. Maybe there is magic happening. Once they come to life. The only thing that could get rid of them is the sun.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They're not just normal snow anymore.

Cristina: But they can melt.

Jack: They can melt. They just can't be melted by anything but the exaggerated power of the sun, which is why the sun, like light to a vampire. Sunlight to a vampire.

Cristina: But they can't go inside houses either, though.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Melt them.

Jack: Well, this is an interesting point. Right? A snowman can't go inside of house. Maybe. One, we have way less stories about a snowman. Two, why are there suddenly two things that align between a snowman and vampire?

Cristina: Yes. They like blood.

Jack: Some snowmen like blood.

Cristina: So.

Jack: And snowman can't enter a house. We're thinking because you'll melt, but also you need. Do you need to ask permission, bro? Is just the coincidence that you can't go in a house? Just saying. It's probably unrelated. Just an observation. Yes, but yeah. So the probably melt.

Cristina: They'll probably melt. I don't know.

Jack: Unless they don't.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Because again, is this magical snow being kept together by the magic? And now you need magic to beat it. And that would just argue that the sun is magic. And we know the sun is sentient at its own scale, but that's just a creature.

Cristina: Mmm. Okay. And that's why it's killing them off. But then, I don't know. That makes it complicated.

Jack: It's not trying to kill it off. It's just really overpowered. It's not trying to give a s*** about anything. At least not that would make sense to us.

Cristina: Yeah. What? I guess I don't know. I don't know enough about these killer snowmen, though, to say, like, they're. How magical they really are or whatever.

Jack: They're magical enough that I believe that they now, when this magic life force hits them, they're not just pure snow anymore. Because, again, these arms are moving, this head is moving. It's not functioning the way snow would. It immediately stops being the case.

Cristina: Well, it comes to the serial killer. Jack Frost, though. He's like a mutant, so he's human. And snowman.

Jack: Fair enough. But how does Frosty move? That's the question.

Cristina: How does Frosty move? Like in a Frosty movie?

Jack: Yeah. Or in a video.

Cristina: A video.

Jack: Okay. Okay. When I said that those other snowmen that were incomplete were. I said that without knowing that there were actually retarded snowmen like Frosty.

Cristina: Like Frosty in the Legend of Frosty.

Jack: In the legend of frosty 2005 movie that we're watching.

Cristina: 2021. Oh, wait, 2005. Oh, it was. Okay. I see YouTube. Okay, whatever.

Jack: Yeah. So you guys can go look at that. Frosty. And I feel really. I. I take back my statements. I publicly say I apologize to all the snow that I may have heard my previous comments before I realized that there was a community of very slow snowmen. Now.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Moving beyond that very necessary apology to snow people.

Cristina: This has so much more questions. It's a magical hat, not a magical snowman.

Jack: Well, there are many snowmen, which means there are, in fact, two different things. And there's a magical hat moving around. Now I see a connection. The Santa Claus. I don't know why, but there is magic and there is hat. Maybe not the Santa Claus. Again, to the magic of December. Yes, but this isn't the magic of December the way the other snowmen are. Those are unrelated. Apparently, snowmen come to life and just start murdering people. Except for this one snowman that gets.

Cristina: The hat and becomes a pedophile.

Jack: Yeah, like a really dangerous individual. But no, he seems to be a good guy, which is the important part.

Cristina: Mm. So who smokes? He smokes Pipe thing.

Jack: And how is the heat not killing him? That's the magic.

Cristina: All the magic. Okay.

Jack: This kind of proves the argument. He actually could go in a house and not melt. So he's not going in a house for a different reason.

Cristina: Mmm. This guy has Arms and legs.

Jack: This guy.

Cristina: No one made those arms or legs. He was just born that.

Jack: Yes. My argument for other snowmen are.

Cristina: It's scary.

Jack: My argument for other snowmen are that the arms and legs also manifests once you have the proper assortment. The general. But I don't get how frosty. No, man. It could be just for Frosty, but the mutant, a snowman had arms and legs, even if it's a mutant.

Cristina: Yeah, it's a freaking human skull.

Jack: Yeah, it was kind of weird.

Cristina: That's so scary. Does it have arms and legs, though, of a human? I'll look at images we should look at. I think he has arms. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, I guess he does.

Cristina: But he does. Like, his arms look like they're built inside him. Like his arms aren't actually doing things. Although he is killing. I just don't know how because his arms don't look like they can move.

Jack: Yeah. So that's a pretty snowman. Snowman. That's basically just a snowman. It's just a snowman that kills. It looks almost identical to Frosty, just.

Cristina: More rounded out arms. But he doesn't have the legs.

Jack: Well, we don't know that. I'm assuming that's how he's getting around. Or again, his snow is just not coming off somehow. And he is moving. And somehow he's actually sliding with magic. He has to be sliding, right?

Cristina: Yes. I don't know. But then why did the other guy need his son to travel to get him to go to places and stuff?

Jack: Well, he wasn't a genius. Oh, and also, he isn't looking. He's not looking for the efficiency of murder. But whatever's happening with this Jack Frost and with Frosty, they have legs, they have arms, they're there, they got limbs. So they could definitely make the journey.

Cristina: But I don't know. There's no stories about it. But I guess there wouldn't be. I don't know.

Jack: It's kind of worked out pretty nice. And there are stories. There are literally stories of snowmen, but only the ones that stick around. Yes, because the other ones are on the move on a desperate journey to get to the top. Chances are the more north you go, the more stories there are about snowmen just chilling or passing by.

Cristina: I don't know, maybe.

Jack: Maybe stories of the snowmen that hang out. A town of snowmen up north. There's a town of snowmen up north.

Cristina: Huh? Isn't there a town near Santa or something? Or is that where the elves live? I Don't know who lives there.

Jack: Maybe there's a town near Santa, up north.

Cristina: Yeah, perhaps. Who lives in that town? Is it humans? The snowman?

Jack: May. I don't know. It could be. I'm sure there's a bunch of towns up there of different magical creatures surrounding Santa's thing. Then again, snowmen just need snow, as far as I know. Maybe I'm just being a racist. I don't know.

Cristina: They get hungry.

Jack: They live in huts. They live in snow huts. They live in igloos. That doesn't even make sense. An igloos to keep you warm.

Cristina: They don't live in anything.

Jack: Why? Because they're savages?

Cristina: No, because they don't need to.

Jack: How do you know? How do you know they don't want privacy?

Cristina: Trees don't need anything.

Jack: Well, they can. Trees aren't walking around. How do you know they don't want privacy? How do you know he doesn't want to rub his carrot?

Cristina: What?

Jack: He wants to rub his carrot and not be watched.

Cristina: There's no way. No. Anyways, is that what makes them male? Is it the carrot nose or whatever? Nose?

Jack: No, I think they're asexual. There's only snowmen. There's no snow women. But I don't think we. I don't think we've learned any more or less what snowmen are. But not fair enough. I do think we've come to. We've unraveled some good magical. They're definitely magic to some degree. They seem to have arms and legs. We don't really know if they work for Santa or with Santa, but we know that December is the magic. And so I guess the ultimate conclusion is all the snowmen that are alive. That's why not all snowmen. Right? It has to be snowmen that are built in December. Snowmen built in December come to life.

Cristina: We don't know if there are any that are born outside of December. We just know about the stories of the ones that were born in December.

Jack: Fair enough. So you're telling me it's possible anywhere there's snow? Consistently, yes.

Cristina: But if there's no one around in those places, how would we know?

Jack: Well, no, people have to build. There has to be somebody. Because the snowman has to be built. Unless snowmen are building a snowman.

Cristina: No. Okay, never mind. No, because it has to be people. Has to be people.

Jack: It has to be people. The only. The only creature that seems to do that is humans. Making us the gods of snowmen.

Cristina: Yeah. What if there is a movie where snowman is making another snowman. I don't know.

Jack: Asexuality. But look, anyways, that's not asexuality. That is asexual. They reproduce asexually.

Cristina: Is that still. Is that the right word?

Jack: Yes, they reproduce asexually. They do not require a partner. They don't have a sexual need in order to reproduce. But anyways, the point is that that's what we learned. That's we've achieved some level of information.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, but we ran out of time. So we have to uncover more in the future. More about these snowmen in the future. And, like, look, hit us up, talk to us, message us. You can do that on all our socials at JustConvopod.

Cristina: And you could subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yeah, you could leave us a lovely review with numbers and snowmen. And snowmen. Ooh, there's probably snowman emojis.

Cristina: Yeah. And Santa presents a Christmas tree.

Jack: A Christmas tree.

Cristina: And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth is very important. And you can share this as the. The Christmas episode. No, it's not. We're gonna have a better.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: I don't know. Whatever happens, happens. We're still trying to catch Santa Claus.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Maybe that's a Christmas episode.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Why is it that important?

Jack: I don't know, man. People, like, live their lives surrounding a television. It's hard for people to do other. Like, they have a hard day's work, go home and watch tv, and it's like, right, but what are you doing to advance you in the world?

Cristina: But then that's what they replaced. They replace their TV with their phone. But they're just watching stuff on their phone.

Jack: Just watching stuff on their phone? Yeah, it's the same s*** people have. They're not doing anything. Yeah, a lot of people are not doing anything. They leave work, so they made somebody else money. You benefited someone else. You get home and then how did you benefit you? Oh, you didn't benefit you. You just waited to the next day to benefit that other guy again.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: No, that's wrong. It should be some for them, some for you, some for them, some for you, some for them, some for you, and then you've established balance. Not some for them. I go home and wait for tomorrow to give them some more. So what the f***?

Cristina: Convince yourself of that.

Jack: That makes sense.

Cristina: That makes sense. Yeah.

Jack: And it doesn't. You're living to pay bills. The f***? Yes, Living to pay bills to get f****** to make it. You're earning money to get to work.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and Published by Great Thoughts.info Art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister, with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 155: Santa The One True God

What are Santa’s powers? How did he acquire them? How does he pull of the Christmas Day Miracles? On this Christmas special, the duo crack open the case of Santa’s true power level. Comparisons to the other deities are made, and the greatest of Gods is crowned, but who that turns out to be is someone no one expected!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

  • Snowflake Patterns
  • Santa is a Genie
  • Elves are Fairies
  • The Shadow Realm
  • Is Santa a God?
  • What are Santa’s powers?
  • Omniscience
  • Santa’s Adrenochrome
  • God Wars
  • Santa The Genius
  • Immortality
  • Everything Shapeshifts
  • Capitalism

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+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new EP episodes are released.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So be sure to find somebody, pull them nice and close, and get ready to listen to our holiday special.

Cristina: Ho, ho, ho.

Jack: It's Christmas.

Cristina: Look outside. It's raining. Oh, I mean, snowing, but I doubt it's snowing.

Jack: Is it Christmas, or is tomorrow Christmas?

Cristina: It's Christmas.

Jack: What? They. What's the wait? Yesterday was Christmas Eve.

Cristina: Yeah, yesterday.

Jack: So this weekend just lined up perfectly for everybody.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, they're Friday. They get to do whatever the f***, and then today is actual Christmas Day.

Cristina: Yes. Now they get to spend their Christmas Day listening to us.

Jack: That's fantastic.

Cristina: Like, who wouldn't want to do that?

Jack: What? Spend their Christmas Day listening to us?

Cristina: Yes. This is the greatest activity ever.

Jack: Yeah, man. What better thing to do than listen to the Just Conversation podcast as we ramble upon. As we ramble about Christmas, the holidays, our holiday episodes. That what this is.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We can talk about snow.

Cristina: We don't talk about snow.

Jack: We're gonna talk about.

Cristina: How do you even talk about snow?

Jack: Every snowflake is unique.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And that can't be. Can't be true. That can't be true. That needs to be at least two that were identical. There's too many snowflakes. I get that. The order in which it generates is random.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's what's truly random. But if you were to pick up two f****** snowflakes and, like, whatever. Two snowflakes. Look, they're most alike.

Cristina: A limited amount of patterns. Like.

Jack: Yes. There has to be, because there's. It's only so big, and it's being made out of the same particles.

Cristina: So.

Jack: Come on.

Cristina: Can't be infinite.

Jack: It can't be infinite. There needs to be a combination that isn't unique.

Jack: And these have happened several times by now.

Cristina: Yeah. See it, though. Who would know?

Jack: Yeah. But, like, factually.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If we were to calculate. Okay, right. Size. And for this size, there are this many different particles that make up the snowflake, and out of all these particles, this is how many different combinations exist. How many times in Nature. In a single storm, a single snowstorm, would that one snowflake. Like, how many different patterns exist? Right. How many different patterns can rearrange in a single snow? And after how long would we need for the pattern to repeat?

Cristina: I hope there's someone that worked on.

Jack: This, because this our project. We're just going to find out how. How much we got to do of everything.

Cristina: That is way too much work. We need an actual scientist to do that.

Jack: It will be hard, right, because you got to think of, like, okay, how many particles make up the snowflake? And then how many different arrangements can we make with the same particles? That's already complicated because there are billions, maybe trillions of particles. And then all the possible combinations.

Cristina: Yes. It's still. It's kind of infinite, isn't it?

Jack: It's kind of. Well, no, because it's. It's infinite by our understanding. But there's definitely a limit. We just couldn't comprehend it. Yeah, that's a reality of the matter. But it is definitely infinite. Without a question.

Cristina: But there has to be some that are similar to each other.

Jack: Yes. There has to be identical. We just couldn't find them because the. The probabilities are just not there. Yeah, but like, if we can get a genie and be like, if there are two identical snowflakes, put them in front of me.

Cristina: You want the genie to do that?

Jack: The genie would make it happen. He would show you the two identical, like, from throughout all of history. There are two identical snowflakes. Drought all of time showed me these two. And he will poof them in front of you and there will be two.

Cristina: Melt away.

Jack: No, he can preserve them or something. He just pulled him out of God knows where. Maybe he can just teleport me somewhere where they'll be sustained.

Cristina: What if he's a mean genie?

Jack: That'd be weird. But, like, would defeat the purpose of him bringing it in the first place. Yeah, and like, what a useless genie to have for an experiment.

Cristina: Yes. Okay, but this genie, then, will just have two perfect.

Jack: Yeah, he'd bring two completely, flawlessly perfect snowflakes that are identical, like 10 times.

Cristina: The size that they normally are. Unless you have the equipment to look at them.

Jack: Well, I'll both look at them. Small, and I have a genie. I can make them the size of buildings. I can see the nuances.

Cristina: Oh, okay. That's. Another wish.

Jack: Yeah, I can do a witch.

Cristina: Another wish.

Jack: Oh, another wish. Yeah, man, I. That makes sense.

Cristina: Yes. Yes.

Jack: That's what Christmas is about, right? Genies and snowflakes yes.

Cristina: Genies and snowflakes.

Jack: That's what Christmas is about. I don't give a f*** what anybody tells me. You could not convince me otherwise.

Cristina: I've never heard about a genie showing up in anything Christmas related, though.

Jack: Really?

Cristina: Really.

Jack: Okay, well, how does the genie function? You get him to show up. However, there's a couple of different ways. Some, you chant somebody rub a bottle and, like, jizzes out the genie. Right? So, however, there's ways to summon the genie. And then when the genie shows up, what do you do?

Cristina: He grants you three wishes.

Jack: Is it three? Sometimes it's just one.

Cristina: Maybe. Yeah.

Jack: You just ask for a thing. You ask him for a thing and he gives you the thing.

Cristina: Are you calling sad a genie?

Jack: What's the difference?

Cristina: I don't know. They don't.

Jack: How do you. How do you summon Santa? You gotta write to him, or you gotta make a wish in your head or out loud for what it is that you want, and then Santa grands your wish. Okay, fair enough. So it's a genie with rules.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Every genie has rules. Or you can wish for one thing. Can I wish for more wishes? No.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, he's a genie with rules.

Cristina: He's a genie with worlds.

Jack: Yeah, it sounds legit to me.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He's just a genie with rules.

Cristina: I did not think that. I was thinking it'd be. If he was any fictional thing. He'd have to be an elf.

Jack: He'd have to be an elf. What's the difference between being an elf? What? Why would he have to be an elf? Elves are tiny people.

Cristina: No, they're not. We mostly see them as tiny people.

Jack: Well, Arctic elves.

Cristina: You think there's a specific type of elf in the Arctic that are tiny?

Jack: Well, I actually do. I've done a little bit of homework on this particularly to find out, and I believe that there is a specific type. Okay, so first, fairies.

Cristina: That's exactly what I was thinking about. Fairies.

Jack: Well, yes, there's many different kinds of fairies.

Cristina: Exactly. They're all different sizes.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: Most of them are small. Yes.

Jack: But elves are a specific race of fairy.

Cristina: Yes, but I'm talking about Santa. If he was an elf or a fairy.

Jack: Well, he wouldn't be an elf. He'd be a fairy. Okay, but the elves are not. Santa Claus is not enough. There's no way.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: He's quite different.

Cristina: You know what he is?

Jack: Well, he's not an elf, okay? He's quite different than the elves, who are tiny and clearly phasing in and out. Through, arguably, the shadow realm.

Cristina: Man. That's exactly what I was thinking.

Jack: You were thinking that.

Cristina: Yes. I was thinking you brought up before about Jesus and what he was doing in Japan. I was thinking, like, why isn't. What if the North Pole? Is that where he lives, that factory? What if that's just a front? Not a front, but that's where a portal is to the other realm where all the elves come from.

Jack: Well, elves don't need a portal.

Cristina: They don't?

Jack: No, because they're fairies. Fairies are the only creature we know who can go in and out of the shadow realm without needing some sort of catalyst.

Cristina: Oh, but all the other creatures do.

Jack: Yeah. Oh, and all the other creatures need, specifically fear.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: While the opposite is true of Santa. Well, actually not. You can fear being bad. Santa's weird. We'll get to Santa. We'll get to Santa. But the elves themselves are clearly fairies because they can move through dimensions the way the fairies do that. And we don't. We don't know of anything that isn't a fairy that does that. We only know that fairies have that. So as of now, an elf is a fairy tale type of a gnome.

Cristina: Yeah. So they come from somewhere else, and then they come here to work.

Jack: Yeah. Well, I don't know if the fairies are from the shadow realm necessarily. I know they can go to the shadow realm.

Cristina: They come from a realm.

Jack: They come from somewhere. I mean, they'd have to come from a realm. There's no way. They didn't exist in a realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But, like, Earth is a realm.

Cristina: Yeah. It has to be outside of Earth, I would think, because that's what we learned about fairies before, that they came from another realm.

Jack: They came from another realm. I know that. We kicked them out and we learned to travel through realms, but fairies came from another realm.

Cristina: Yeah, they came from somewhere else. They landed in Ireland. Really loved it. But then we got there.

Jack: That being said, only the ones that were in Ireland did we kick out. And we didn't send them to, like, the ether or anything. Just left the island.

Cristina: They probably went to the North Pole.

Jack: Well, no, because those were different fairies.

Cristina: Why are they different?

Jack: Because they're not elves. Elves are a type of fairy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And those are the ones in the Arctic.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There are other fairies throughout the world.

Cristina: But how do we know which ones were kicked out from Ireland? Like, it could have been them. Why can't it have been them? I don't.

Jack: Because this already existed at that point.

Cristina: Oh, it did, really?

Jack: Sort of. Santa Claus and Saint Nicker Quite significant. Aren't they older than Saint Patrick's escapades of getting rid of. Or maybe not Saint Patrick's old as.

Cristina: Yeah. Yes. We found out that. That. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. But I don't. I doubt it's a. Because what you're saying at this point is that all the fairies are the same fairies, and then there isn't, like, races of fairies. There's just quite specifically a couple of fairies, and those have been the same fairies we've always been interacting with. And that doesn't make sense because they're not a life form of their own as much as are the specific anomaly that there are a few of.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't like that. That cannot be real. We've caught too many creatures from different things to be like, well, no, these are the only ones of them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No. And there's too many fairies everywhere.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's fairies showing up and causing mischief and children go missing. And this happens over here. That happens over there. The fairies didn't just go to the Arctic. That's a different group of. And they behave so differently. They aren't over there.

Cristina: The ones that are over there, they were born there. Know. Oh, there are.

Jack: They are there.

Cristina: Yes. But they're different.

Jack: They're different because we know they're not causing trouble like most fairies seem to be doing.

Cristina: Yeah, that's true. Okay.

Jack: There are definitely differences with elves and the rest of the fairies. I don't think they just left Ireland and went north. There's so many holes in that narrative.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now with Saint Nick, British. He was right.

Cristina: I have no idea.

Jack: Was he German? That's an interesting question. He's probably German. Okay, well, so St. Nick is older. Fair.

Cristina: You came before St. Patrick.

Jack: Yeah. Now, the question here is, is St. Nick and Santa Claus the same thing? Because it's possible these two are different individuals.

Cristina: They just do very similar things. Or I guess Saint.

Jack: They did not do very similar things at all. St. Nick was a guy.

Cristina: Yeah, he was a guy, but he.

Jack: Doing guy like things. And he was just generous.

Cristina: He was generous, but. Yeah. And how did that build Santa Claus? I guess they are very different people. Yeah.

Jack: I don't think one built the other. I think they were similar and they got confused. People maybe perhaps thought they were the same. Being Santa. Saint. People were like, okay, there's some similarities there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But St. Nick isn't Santa Claus because Klaus is. Klaus.

Cristina: Klaus. You know, okay.

Jack: Different name and everything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, we know saints have powers and s***, but when we're talking about Santa we're talking about some other s***. He's out there f****** with the likes of Zeus and Jehovah.

Cristina: So he's a God?

Jack: He's something like that.

Cristina: He's gotta be.

Jack: He's definitely in the ballpark of being kind of like a God because we. We just think of what it. When, like, Christians talk about a God, right? Omniscience is like the important thing. He knows everything. Saint. Not Saint Nick, but Santa Claus knows. Knows everything. Yeah, that is his defining characteristic. To the point that he actually knows more than Jehovah.

Cristina: But he knows, like, is there an age limit to this power?

Jack: He knows everything for everyone. For everyone.

Cristina: Not just children?

Jack: No, for everyone all the time.

Cristina: Oh, okay. The stories confuse me. And I'm thinking, like, there's a child specific age range that he watches over. He knows everything.

Jack: Just knows everything all the time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Even Jehovah, actually. Jehovah, Odin, Zeus, none of them have this ability. None of them are omniscient. No, they know a lot. But they can all be duped, they can all be tricked, they can all be betrayed and not see it coming.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Saint. I keep saying Saint Nick. That's how tangled they are. You get my point.

Cristina: Santa.

Jack: Santa Claus. Klaus. Santa Claus. He does know. You could not pull one on him. There's no way. Because he knows everything. Yeah, he's not necessarily all powerful, but he's all knowing. And that's overpowered. Even Jehovah isn't all powerful. Even Zeus isn't all. They're overpowered. Yeah, as compared to everything around them.

Cristina: But he's got to be more powerful than a normal human.

Jack: Yes, he's more powerful than normal human. And he's more powerful than an elf. Now, other than his omniscience, though, he seems to have abilities that make him come off kind of like just a creature, some sort of mythical creature, except he has this demigod esque omniscience, which is crazy. Like, people we call gods don't have this.

Cristina: But are the creature things.

Jack: Well, he has immortality, which. All the gods have this. Not necessarily all the fairies. We don't know if fairies are immortal or not. We know that thing. Creatures taking adrenochrome are.

Cristina: As long as they have it.

Jack: As long as they have it.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know if they. They probably still forever. They just. They're just feral. We don't really know, I guess.

Jack: Yeah, we don't really know. But okay, you become feral. We know that much.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because you could be a zombie and just be around Forever.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: That's the best example of what happens when there is no adrenochrome is the vampire zombie problem. Right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because you could still go on forever. It's in your blood.

Cristina: Mean you can still be killed. But if you're not, you can.

Jack: Well, then the argument is that maybe some of these wet judges and wendingos and all these creatures could be ancient because they've got the thing in their body that makes them immortal and they've gone feral. But it's not that there's many. It said there's the few running around.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But they're overpowered with time and feral, so particularly dangerous. And with mobs hunting them, they go and hide and live in areas where they can hunt creatures that nobody's going to know of.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Okay, now, immortality is definitely great, but gods have that, and anybody on adrenochrome seems to might have it. So there's nothing special with immortality.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And shape shifting seems to exist in again, all fairies.

Cristina: Everything. Yes.

Jack: Anything that has taken adrenochrome changes in some shape or form.

Cristina: Yeah. That we can't even tell what their true form is.

Jack: Yes. The difference with adrenochrome is that they. They sustain a shape. They don't shapeshift regularly. Rather, the adrenochrome creates a shifted shape and then they sustain that shape. Some of them have the ability to change forms. Not often.

Cristina: I guess vampires are really well at doing different shapes, though.

Jack: Yes. There's one.

Cristina: They're one of the advanced.

Jack: Yeah. There's. They're one of the few that has the actual ability to change or form things.

Cristina: Is just one thing.

Jack: Yeah. They change to this new thing and that's it. But there is definitely shape shifting. That's how he can make his body anomalous and fit through areas that should be impossible.

Cristina: Yeah. Like chimneys.

Jack: Yeah. Like being other ways. Or an octopus. That they. Their body is structured in such a way that they can change their shape to fit through where they need to go.

Cristina: Yeah. I wonder if he ever turns into a mouse, though. That's interesting.

Jack: Could be.

Cristina: That's a nice.

Jack: But also, it might just be that he doesn't take the shape of a thing as much as he loses his own shape and then fits through anything. It would be like becoming gas.

Cristina: Yes. Like one of those mist monsters.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: We're killing babies.

Jack: We know he can go through things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And sustain his shape, but we don't know if he can take another shape.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So he shape shifts, but he doesn't reform as anything other than himself as far as we know.

Cristina: And no one's ever seen it.

Jack: And if they we have, would we know?

Cristina: What do we know? Yeah, exactly. Okay.

Jack: Then he also has again here we're entering a little bit of God territory versus because we don't know of many creatures, if any that couldn't already fly, that could fly. Like we don't know if adrenochrome giving some creature the ability to fly. But fairies, a bunch of them could fly.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And gods can fly.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Some of them. I don't think Zeus could fly. I think Jehovah can entirely sure. Odin also couldn't fly. They had methods of doing it.

Cristina: I think there was a specific creature in South America that could fly. That was like a chicken snake thing.

Jack: Yes, I remember that.

Cristina: Yeah. So it's. It's super random what could fly. But yeah.

Jack: Yeah. That was weird. I remember what you were talking about. Was it in Africa or was it in the Amazon or something like that? Like in Brazil where there was a snake that grew wings or some s***.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. Somewhere.

Jack: So yeah, we know. Not often does that happen.

Cristina: No. So he very often for gods and fairies.

Jack: Yes. So that kind of aims in that direction. But then we come to the real, real problem. The omniscience. That's crazy. I couldn't tell you any other thing that knew everything. Couldn't name you one.

Cristina: Well, where would that type of power come from? Or I guess that would be the God power. That would be the God power.

Jack: That means he has God powers. He is a demigod. Bare minimum.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He's not the. I don't believe the omniscient God that is all knowing, all powerful, all everything.

Cristina: No, he just has one of the big things.

Jack: Like I don't think that biggest of things exists.

Cristina: No.

Jack: But there is definitely demigod, demigods.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it's. It seems like Santa might be not just a demigod but like one of the way overpowered ones to the point that he sounds like bullshit.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like Zeus versus Santa. Zeus will put up a harder fight. But also you'd have to out think a guy who knows everything you'll ever do.

Cristina: That's really unfair.

Jack: That's one sided as f***. Now here's actually the question because his omniscience is present. So then is it omniscient or is this just all knowing of the moment? All knowing of the moment because does he know if you'll do something bad?

Cristina: No.

Jack: That you do something bad?

Cristina: It's that it's at the moment. It has to be at the moment.

Jack: So it's not omniscience.

Cristina: No. Then what is it? It's something like that.

Jack: It's close. Yeah, we know Zeus doesn't have it.

Cristina: No. But he definitely knows it's just the moment because he has to be watching all year round.

Jack: Well, he's always watching.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He could see everything all the time. That's really what's happening.

Cristina: The illusion that he knows everything. But he doesn't.

Jack: He doesn't. He's learning it as it's happening. But he sees everything. So he knows everything that has happened and everything that is currently happening, but he has no access to what will happen.

Cristina: Yep. And he's not trying to predict it or anything. He's just waiting patiently.

Jack: Yes. Now, under that case, he would get laid out by Zeus.

Jack: Because he couldn't predict Zeus.

Cristina: No. Okay. Yes. I guess now, because he. He.

Jack: So it's not. Because it's not omniscience.

Cristina: Yeah. It is not gonna know.

Jack: Some sort of extreme sight.

Cristina: Yes. His ability to know anything like that, though.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I couldn't tell you of something that sees everything all the time forever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even if it's just in the presence, like, get the f*** out of here.

Cristina: And then I'm pretty sure there are gods that see things, but it's usually like the future. It's always visions of the future.

Jack: And it's always a specific event, too. It's not like they see all the future all the time.

Cristina: Yes, that's true. Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: It seems like omniscience might be the least likely of all the abilities that we attribute to God's having.

Cristina: That's true. But this is the closest.

Jack: He's the closest. He's the closest out of any single thing to know everything.

Cristina: Well. Well.

Jack: So what we have here is the.

Cristina: Case of God Like.

Jack: Yes. What we have here is the case of some demigod who's working with fairies. And these fairies themselves are quite unique. Again, they can move in and out of the. The Shadow Realm. I might. My guess on how everyone in the planet all at once gets gifts simultaneously.

Cristina: Has more to do with the elves.

Jack: Has more to do with the elves because we know Santa still has to travel.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He's like the rest of the demigods that he has to get to a place he can only. Like Jehovah. Never went outside of his area. It's too far. He doesn't just show up somewhere else. Never happened that way. He had workers to do it. We call them Angels.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Messengers to go. The elves are the same thing.

Cristina: They pop up.

Jack: Yeah. Doesn't Zeus have, like, harpies and s***?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's the same idea. It's these creatures that are going to deliver the small messages for you, and you'll do the heavy lifting, but they can do something that probably Santa can't do himself, which is enter the shadow realm effortlessly.

Cristina: But you think he's still going to house to house? Like some houses? He might not be doing all the houses.

Jack: I don't know. If he's going to any house, then.

Cristina: He might not have the transformation power.

Jack: Again, I don't know. I don't know if he's going to any house.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But I can tell you that it makes sense for the elves to be the ones delivering the gifts and there to be.

Cristina: Because they could just go in and out.

Jack: Yeah. And there could be a f*** ton of them. And we know that fairies can change your shape.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So they can get there how? They need to drop the gift off and dissipate.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Alternatively. Which then takes us to some overpowered thing. If it isn't the elves that are helping Santa with a gift given. With the gift giving, then he is.

Cristina: Simultaneously everywhere, Time traveling or something like the Flash. I don't know.

Jack: He could be. It could be stop time, do everything. But then to him, that looks like an infinity. You got to get to every home at a normal traveling pace. Even if you're moving faster, you know how long it would take to travel. Like, it couldn't be. It doesn't make sense. He has to be able. If he's the one delivering it. Right. This is why it's likely it's the elves. Because if he's the one delivering it, not only does he have to be everywhere all at once, but he has to be consciously functional everywhere all at once, controlling all versions of him in the distinct environments they're all in. Choosing and moving appropriately and still being one conscious mind. Hard to wrap my head around that.

Cristina: Yeah. And he couldn't be just traveling quickly.

Jack: To one place to the next unless he's stopping time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He's blinking from home to home. But how fast is he blinking from home to home? And how is that any different than being everywhere all at once?

Cristina: Yeah. That is too much work.

Jack: Yeah. So either he has an army, or if he can. Or he can be everywhere all at once.

Cristina: But then that's something else.

Jack: If he can be everywhere all at once. We're dealing with something so much more powerful than the closest next Thing if.

Cristina: He could be everywhere all at once. That's really complicated.

Jack: And every single version, every replica is him, purely him. And has all his powers at all the same degree. Because he needs that to do the things. Yeah, that's hardcore.

Cristina: Oh, I don't know if this is a power. I just remember though that everyone like we see him as a white dude, but he. He actually appears to children the way.

Jack: They would see him as interesting. Got that Jesus factor going on.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Where if you're dark skinned, Jesus is dark. If you're light skinned, Jesus is white.

Cristina: Well, Santa has that ability. I don't know how that fits into this, but I remember that. I think that's something that fits with the transformation, I guess.

Jack: You think?

Cristina: Because he could look like anyone you like if a child sees him. I guess I don't know if children actually see him.

Jack: That's the. I'm pretty sure that's their parents plan.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because like the whole point is he's not being seen and he knows enough to not get seen. Yeah, yeah.

Cristina: He can't. No. He doesn't know the future though. Like there has to be one child.

Jack: No, no, no. Here's where the problem that you're discussing comes in. He knows everything that is happening.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Right. So as soon as the kid gets off of the bed.

Cristina: He knows.

Jack: He knows.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So you can.

Jack: He didn't know the kid was gonna get off the bed. But once the kid is off the bed, he knows the kid is off the bed and he's gonna could poof out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You can't catch him off guard. It's impossible to catch him off guard because he knows everything that's actively taking place. He's not in your head. But he knows when to move.

Cristina: Yeah. So he can get out of the room before you.

Jack: Before you know anything happened.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, okay.

Jack: Brings up some problems, you see.

Cristina: Yeah. So there's no way.

Jack: No way he's never been seen. Not without wanting to show himself. Unless it wasn't him.

Cristina: It probably wasn't him.

Jack: Yeah. Probably wasn't him.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And maybe the shape shifting fairies, just in case they do get spotted, take the form of boss.

Cristina: I'm wondering if there's even a boss now.

Jack: If it's just an organization of fairies.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because it sounds like bullshit. Right. He's too overpowered.

Cristina: It's too much.

Jack: He's more God than all the gods arguably put together.

Cristina: I would feel like some God would want to fight him especially.

Jack: It would be too one sided. It would be too one Sided. The only thing he has no access to is what's in your mind and the future.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Actually, maybe he knows what's in your mind. We don't know.

Cristina: We don't know.

Jack: We don't know. If you thought it, he might know.

Cristina: He might. You know, it's too much.

Jack: It's overpowered. So he could be the strongest, most exaggerated God looming over Earth. And he's the farthest from people as well.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Which, fair enough. That would kind of work perfectly into the whole idea that he is a God. If he was local and that overpowered to be like, okay, yeah, bullshit. But the fact that he's not hanging out with humans. He's not hanging out with gods. He's just soloing that s***. He's got elves, cuz. Like, whatever, dude.

Cristina: Yeah. And like, gods all live in their own specific area above, like, the country that they're ruling. He doesn't want to rule over people.

Jack: It's insignificant to him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's more godlike.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So he's detached, huh?

Cristina: Yes. Except for this one job, which. Is it important to him? Is this a curse that was put onto him? What's going on?

Jack: I don't know. I do not know. But we do know that a lot of creatures, mainly gods, rely on fear. And maybe this one day of the year. Okay, let's look at it like this. Right? Jehovah, Zeus, all these other gods, they do their things.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They're consistently getting fuel, but they're always doing s***. They're wasting their energy. They're always doing something. Meanwhile, God performs a single day. Maybe that has enough fear.

Cristina: There, you said God.

Jack: I mean. Yeah, I guess.

Cristina: God.

Jack: Santa.

Cristina: Santa, God.

Jack: Santa, God.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Works one day.

Cristina: One day.

Jack: I mean, that generates enough joy or fear. Fear through the planet because you're fearing whether you were good or bad.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The fear of being bad and not getting anything is what he's looking for.

Cristina: That's the situation right before the gift.

Jack: Yes. Or the monthly.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: There's a process there.

Cristina: He's.

Jack: He's got it down. Packed so hard, he might have people worrying the whole year whether they were good enough.

Cristina: Yes, that's true.

Jack: He figured out the system. He's outsmarting every God.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's like I do something once in a blue.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the closer it gets to the point, the more it's generated. Now, what you were talking about earlier is, is there a cutoff age? Yeah, I don't think there's a cutoff age. I think there's A design feature here that makes absolute perfect sense. Where is the strongest adrenochrome and children. Who has the potentiality to fear the most? Fear.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

Jack: And if you get the parents to do this for you, put the fear in them, then you didn't even have to be there. You did zero work and got 100% of the adrenochrome.

Cristina: That's crazy. It actually works. Wow. He's some kind of adrenochrome God monster.

Jack: Yeah. Even if it's not adrenochrome, he's generating crap. Tons of fear.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Without doing anything. He did the work long ago. Before these other baby gods were born.

Cristina: Yes. He somehow got to the kids before them.

Jack: Yeah. Jehovah's over here. Like, I'm gonna take your firstborn in the neighborhood.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, my God. First born, the neighborhood.

Cristina: This guy goes around the world.

Jack: He's got the planet shook. And they're closer to the day, the more shook the planet is. And adults get over it because they're like, you know, he's not out here. Murder. He doesn't need to. Because there's enough collective child fear, which is enough concentrated adrenaline.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That he still gets what he needs. Probably too much left over, but for.

Cristina: A whole year, like, he has to lie.

Jack: He's just one person. Think of the other gods that do it in a small, tiny region and can function off of it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's 8 billion people.

Cristina: Mm. That's interesting. Yes.

Jack: He's. He's trumped this s***. How many people exist in Greece?

Cristina: But I wonder, when it comes to adrenochrome and the gods, like, do they not bother him? Because they also get that fear too.

Jack: No. They would do anything to him.

Cristina: How did they divide?

Jack: There's no dividing. They couldn't do anything to him.

Cristina: They couldn't do anything.

Jack: Nothing they could do to fight this man.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He knows that you're attacking.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He could just. He can teleport any. Zeus has to get to where he's going.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Jehovah has to get to where he's going. Odin. That. The guy needs a carriage to get where he's going.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Santa could just be there.

Cristina: But he has the sleigh he travels to. Or that's not.

Jack: I think that's for sure. I think that's mocking. Probably Odin. Oh, I think he's just mocking Odin.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Because he could be. What does he need the sleigh for? He could just pop up everywhere all the same time. Who gives a s*** about a Sleigh.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's just Mai's trolling.

Cristina: Yes. So no flying reindeers.

Jack: That's probably not a thing. There's a bunch of parts of these stories that are mythology that was invented by people rather than the truth of the matter.

Cristina: Okay. It's hard to see which part fits and which doesn't.

Jack: Yeah, we know. He's got like, how many people exist In Greece, right. 300,000 at the time that Zeus began his charade. And now a couple million, maybe. What's a couple of million to eight f****** billion?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Where's Jehovah? Messing around? Israel. Well, great. Phenomenal, bruh. Israel when he began. Now he's, you know, he's expanded and he's in more places, but the same people he's affecting are also. Santa's also taking some of that.

Cristina: Yeah, he's taking everyone's.

Jack: He's taking everybody's. Everything. He's every. He got. He did it. He figured it out.

Cristina: Even got people who aren't religious.

Jack: Well, yeah, 100%.

Cristina: He's just child friendly.

Jack: He's the God who an atheist worships.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Holy. He figured out the system. Other gods are like, worship me. This guy's like, you don't have to do anything.

Cristina: No.

Jack: You know, it's just a fun game. Tell your children.

Cristina: And the first time he did it, he probably didn't say anything. Kids just got what they got. And then that created the fear.

Jack: Yes. Because it's like he made sure to not give some to the kids who were bad, even if the kid was.

Cristina: Cold or whatever it's supposed to be.

Jack: Exactly, exactly. So even if they were good, he had to pick at least, bare minimum, one who was the worst. Even if they were all saints. He had to be like, well, you stepped on a roach or something. Got to pick somebody.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then he gave that kid the thing.

Cristina: Yeah. Like he's telling us what exactly gets us to the naughty or nice.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Anyway, he's just like, you messed up, so try better next time and I'll give you a gift. And then the other kids are like, whoa, whoa, hold up, hold up. We all got gifts. Well. And then they come up with the reason themselves. Right. Trying to rationalize it. Oh, well, this is what he did. It must have been that.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This is what he meant by naughty.

Cristina: Yeah. And then, because we have no idea.

Jack: We have no clue what he's using to measure. There's nothing. Nothing exists. We're just. It's all projection.

Cristina: Yes. And that's what makes us so Worried in the end of the year because we have no idea.

Jack: This is the most genius part of this is if you leave a person to assume, they're going to assume the worst. It's the human anxiety. He didn't tell us what to fear.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Zeus f***** up. Jehovah f***** up. Odin f***** up. All the gods f***** up. They're like, don't do this thing. You don't do that thing. You're good.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Santa didn't specify s***. He's like, don't be bad. Well, everybody has a different moral compass. Holy crap.

Cristina: Like, what does that even mean?

Jack: So general.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He basically astrology the s*** out of Earth.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He's like, well, you're gonna do something good, you're gonna do something bad. Make sure that bad isn't so bad that it deserves to be punished. Like, what?

Cristina: What?

Jack: Wait, where does the bad bar begin? It's just bad. Wait, is the dirty thought bad?

Cristina: It could be if.

Jack: If I accidentally. Like, there's laws. What if I took a turn by accident because I didn't see that it said don't turn on red.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's a lie. Broke a law. Is that bad? Like, the number of crap that an individual could just think is bad, and.

Cristina: All he has to do is like, it. He doesn't even need to know now. Does it matter if we're. He knows if we're naughty or nice. Maybe he doesn't, because at this point, it doesn't matter.

Jack: He could give everybody gifts. He probably. This is why nobody gets coal anymore. Because it doesn't matter. There's like, oh, my God, I passed. I passed. Yeah, I did. Good enough. And then you're still gonna panic the rest of the year leading up to the next time. Am I gonna get something? Which is interesting, because the strongest push and this fat. This is fascinating right here. What all the other gods suggest. You move away from materialism and commit spiritually to them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Except for Santa needs materialism to be rampant.

Cristina: He's depending on. Yes.

Jack: He's depending on human addiction to stuff.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then he capitalizes on the fear of not getting stuff.

Cristina: Mm. That is so crazy.

Jack: He did everything opposite. He did not tell you the rules of the game. All the other gods did. He made sure to support capitalism way in there.

Cristina: He said to be naughty or nice. We don't even know. Maybe he doesn't know whether we're naughty or nice. He might not know.

Jack: He might not know s***. But whatever the case is, the other gods aren't f****** with him.

Cristina: Yeah. I mean, he's still a demigod for sure.

Jack: He's quite arguably. I think he does. Because whatever, man. That's. It's so complicated. Right. Because we don't know if he does know, but we know he hasn't been dealt with. Which some. That means something about him is so op that some other God hasn't off them and taken the post.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because that would be the logical step. Let me just get rid of them. Then I can ride this train. But that hasn't happened. So something about Santa is too overpowered.

Cristina: So it has to be that. Or like. That's the most likely.

Jack: That's the most likely. But if that's not the case. There is something going on.

Cristina: Something. Yeah.

Jack: That is sustain cemented. This creature, this demigod, as arguably the most powerful demigod.

Cristina: That's so crazy. Yeah. What? He is the most powerful demigod.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Whoa. And we don't even know what he could do.

Jack: We have no clue. We have no clue. That's another part. Because the question is, then, do the other gods know what he could do? Is the fear that they don't know?

Cristina: That they don't know.

Jack: That they don't know. He could, in theory be weaker than all. He's clearly cunning.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Quite genius.

Cristina: I mean, just telling us to be naughty. I mean, not to be naughty. But not telling us how he broke.

Jack: Every system all these other guys came up with.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We're talking Jehovah and Zeus predate the crap out of this guy. He showed up and just did it. Did it. This is how you do it. P******. You know what you're doing. This is how you do it. What?

Cristina: I don't know. So he might not be stronger.

Jack: Not be. He's so smart. They have no idea, though. He's. If he's got no ability, if he's not a super mega ultra demigod, to the great that he seems to be.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He can definitely play the part.

Cristina: He can, man. He's got to be a demigod, though.

Jack: He has to be.

Cristina: That has to be the only way that's stopping him from being killed off.

Jack: This is. This is where I stand. Right. There's no freaking way. There's no way in h*** this thing came up and he wasn't at some point challenged by Zeus. That did not happen. I refuse to believe it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Zeus was the very first one to be like, imma f*** you up and lost. And that flagged every other.

Cristina: But I'm like, I don't know if God himself or, I don't know, the Christian God. Yeah, but Christians themselves try to fight Santa.

Jack: Yeah, but they don't fight him.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Ideologically arguing, it doesn't matter because all this is push forward the narrative even more.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: Everything you do helps them.

Cristina: Yes, everything.

Jack: So when it comes to the gods, I. There's everybody. He challenges everybody. Zeus is egomaniac. He sees Santa coming up, he's like, I'm the king here. And then Santa gets all exaggerated and he's like, no, I'm gonna fight you. But then Zeus losing the fight is what told everybody else. F***. Well, s***, we ain't f****** with him.

Cristina: Wanna fight?

Jack: Yeah. Cuz who's. No matter what, it doesn't matter who else challenged Santa.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Zeus is stronger. So Zeus is the only person Santa would have to beat to tame the f*** out of everybody else.

Cristina: But he also has a smart. So is it possible that a God with a brain could have challenged him and like, I don't know, like some kind of chess. Godlike chess game?

Jack: Okay. The argument would be that it would have to be not. When I say Zeus's power, I don't literally mean like stronger or I can hit you with more lightning or anything.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In combat of some sort.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He lost.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so if there is a God who's stronger and he's the one who challenged. And not stronger, but smarter. He's the one who challenged Santa and then Zeus didn't challenge Santa, it's because whatever God challenged Santa and lost is already smarter than Zeus is strong.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So basically whoever the top dog is challenged Santa because they usually challenge everybody else to maintain dominance.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then lost. There's also no example of any God that rules over the planet other than Santa.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Everybody's regional.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Except Santa.

Cristina: That's very, very true. Like there's some that gotten close, but not.

Jack: Jehovah has a huge reach. He began small and kept expanding and kept expanding and kept expanding. But for the vast majority of most of his work, when he was establishing his Word. Yeah, those all focus in one place.

Cristina: But that's a different. Wait, but you talk about Jehovah from Judaism or Christianity.

Jack: Same guy.

Cristina: They're the same guy.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I don't know if they're the same guy. I think of them as two different guys.

Jack: Oh, it's possible there is two different gods there, but we're talking about the same abilities for the most part. It's possible we're talking about twins. In that case, two demigods who were Twins. One is the crooked and one is not. And it's also a possibility that the story of Cain and Abel never happened. And that was a narrative about those two gods in their young days.

Cristina: Yeah. That might be it. I don't think the one God killed the other. I think one just stayed there while the other spread out everywhere else.

Jack: Could be. Yes, that's totally possible.

Cristina: And that's. But who knows?

Jack: Yeah, that's a very likely probability.

Cristina: Interesting. But Santa is the most powerful as far as we can.

Jack: He seems to be the most overpowered God of all the gods.

Cristina: Yes. That's so crazy.

Jack: It is pretty crazy. And the fact that he uses business to do it. He relies on capitalism and materialism.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To create fear. So indirectly, it's genius. Like, I'm end your life. No, he's the guy who create. He's basically a mosquito. Right?

Cristina: He's a mosquito.

Jack: Not even. Not even mosquito. He's a fruit fly. Think about a fruit fly. Right. There's nothing to fear about a fruit fly.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But that tiny little bit of effect it does have is so annoying that it makes you behave accordingly. So it gets your ear and, like, it's not harming you.

Cristina: No.

Jack: It's just persistent enough that you will act on it, though it's insignificant. It will affect nothing in your life if you just ignore it. Yeah, but it's persistent enough that you couldn't ignore it even if you want to.

Cristina: He's like a fruit fly.

Jack: He's like a fruit fly.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He's not forcing anything down your throat. We don't have to believe him if you don't want. He does not give a flying f***. He's not like, you got to worship me or believe him. He never did any of that. He didn't get anybody to write scriptures. He didn't care.

Cristina: No.

Jack: His plan was too solid just by not forcing it. Because if I try to force something on you, you're more likely to reject it because it's not your will.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But if I give you the option that you're more willing. You can believe in me if you want. I don't. You, in fact, don't believe in me. It's totally fine. Wait. No, no, no. But I like stuff.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You choose.

Cristina: That's so crazy.

Jack: It's genius. It's so genius. He's so far above the next best thing.

Cristina: Mm. He's the best thing. Wow.

Jack: And it really comes down to the one. The one question, which is, are there elves? If there are no elves, he is.

Cristina: Too overpowered Are there elves if there's no elves?

Jack: No. Are there elves if there's no elves, he's overpowered.

Cristina: Oh, okay. If there's no elf, if he's doing it by himself.

Jack: If he's doing it by himself, we know clearly why no God touches this guy. It's too one sided. They don't even know how he exists. Everywhere all at once, know everything all at the same time. How do you win?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: If he does have an army of elves that can get the job done. There are f*** tons of them. You don't need too much either. You can think some households have upwards of seven people.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There are 8 billion people on earth. You had. If just one elf could hit four houses, you've drastically reduced the number of elves you need. You don't need billions of elves. You know, you can in fact bring this down to. If one elf can move quickly enough and in the time span of one hour hit 20 homes, then you subtract the number of houses by home by the number of elves. You, you have a couple of million elves doing work.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And assuming some of these elves, I.

Cristina: Don'T think it's a one hour job either. It's like eight hours I think.

Jack: Assume that some of these elves have the ability to self replicate or teleport from one spot to another. I'll teleport then you have a lot of things going on.

Cristina: Teleportation related to the shadow realm. Okay.

Jack: They can disappear in the shadow realm while inside your house. Take the shortcut in the shadow realm, which would be a second to them. If they understand the shadow room well enough, rephase in and they're in the next house. And this could be house after house after house. Five seconds here, five seconds there, five seconds there, five seconds there, five seconds there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Before long you knocked out a lot and you weren't even doing much.

Cristina: No. Yeah. You're just pretty much walking the whole time.

Jack: And if your presence are in the shadow realm, then you rephase with them already. You don't have to grab anything. You're just there with it, disappear. Grab the thing, bring pop the next place, drop it there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If there are elves.

Cristina: But there's no way to know.

Jack: There's no way to know. There's two. There's so much. He's too mysterious. At least the other gods have scripture. They are narcissists. They talk about themselves all the time. I think the difference here is that Santa Claus Claus. Santa Claus isn't a narcissist. He didn't make it about him. No, he made it about the stuff.

Cristina: That's why he's so above. He's just too smart.

Jack: Yeah, He's. He's playing 4D chess.

Cristina: Yes, that's exactly what's happening. But are there elves? That's the question.

Jack: That's the truly deciding question. If there are elves, then he has a couple of notches down. And maybe the all knowing is the reason that the other gods don't mess with them. But if there are no elves. Oh, and we just made up the. We threw the elves in there just to try to cope with how is it getting done?

Cristina: Yeah, but like.

Jack: And they don't exist. S***.

Cristina: S***.

Jack: First. First, you know everything that's overpowered. Second, you could be everywhere that's overpowered. But the third suggestion is the craziest one. You could just manifest s***.

Cristina: Yes, you could just.

Jack: Holy crap.

Cristina: I don't even know what God's f****** with you. Yeah.

Jack: Could you in theory just manifest the thing that would end that God?

Cristina: How?

Jack: What's the extent of your power?

Cristina: That's true. Oh, crap. What if that is happening? If no elves.

Jack: Right, if no elves. That's the case. If there are no elves, there is nothing more op. And we're talking by like, if he's at a hundred, the next best is like two.

Cristina: He reminds me of Deadpool. It's just like too powerful.

Jack: Yes. He's like, Deadpool is so overpowered. Like, how do you.

Cristina: How do you.

Jack: How's your. How are your abilities a thing?

Cristina: Yeah, it's almost the opposite of Deadpool's ability, isn't it? Of him bringing things into this reality. Deadpool just somehow leaves his own reality in a way.

Jack: Deadpool's complicated. He could just walk out of a panel.

Cristina: Yeah, so.

Jack: But he could also manifest random crap. Oh, a good example is when he was hanging out with Spider man and he pulled out a rocket launcher from his pocket. Like, this is just something Deadpool can casually do.

Cristina: So we know it's possible.

Jack: We know it's possible.

Cristina: Yeah, but he's a character.

Jack: Yeah, Deadpool's not real, but Santa is arguably real.

Cristina: And he having that power, that's just. That's too much.

Jack: You don't even need to know everything if that's your one trick. But the problem is if no elves and everything else must be true, but if somehow we can make it so that there's no elves and all your other powers don't count, your one and only power is manifesting whatever the h*** you want?

Cristina: I was. Still think he would need to know something about the child, though.

Jack: Well, no, I'm. I'm just talking about the power. I'm no longer talking about Santa Claus.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I'm saying if just this one power, minus everything else. He's not even delivering gifts anymore. You can just manifest whatever. You are still untouchable.

Cristina: Yeah. That sounds like the God that every God claims to be.

Jack: Yes, it's quite possible that Santa is the closest thing because he can make anything happen whenever he wants, in any location he wants and knows whatever, and he can personally be wherever that is. The closest thing is the closest thing to the perfect God all the other gods claim to be.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Not one of them has any part of that.

Cristina: They just lie about it pretty much.

Jack: While Santa has all the factors.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: All knowing. Jehovah doesn't have it, Odin doesn't have it. Zeus doesn't have it. None of the Hindu gods have it. None of them have the ability. You can trick them. You can lie to them, be everywhere. None of them. None of them. They are all bound to where they are. And their ideologies must travel because they cannot.

Cristina: Mm. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Manifest. Just stuff out of nowhere. No, these gods are screwed. Following rules and junk. Otherwise they would just manifest a message in a letter in front of you. Now they gotta send somebody together. There. There's. There's leaps and bounds of superiority.

Cristina: Now you're saying he is the God man.

Jack: I began where he wasn't, but, like.

Cristina: It'S now he might be.

Jack: If there are no elves.

Cristina: If there are. No.

Jack: If there are no elves. If there are elves and they are the ones delivering and it isn't Santa. He's sort of the ringleader. And also the fairies are probably benefiting off of the adrenochrome somehow, or at least the fear. He somehow figured out how to give the fear. Because there's no blood.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So he's optimized fear and somehow the fairies are also getting something from it.

Cristina: Yes. That's what makes me think if they're real, he's not real. Like, maybe they're surviving off the stories and they're the ones.

Jack: Here's the thing. They don't need it.

Cristina: The adrenaline.

Jack: Fear. They don't need fear. Fairies can just go in and out of the shadow realm. Yeah, there is. There is one possibility. Because the thing is, gods do need the fear. Yes, that would make sense. That fits with Santa.

Cristina: Yes, that makes sense. Yeah.

Jack: Now there's no Santa. Then what's the next Option. They're not fairies.

Cristina: What are they?

Jack: They are creatures from the shadow realm. And some guy, probably St. Nick, inevitably got a ball rolling that he didn't even know he got rolling. He was like, well, you don't worship God and you're being rude to the other kids, so this year, I'm not going to. But if next year you make your behavior better, then I will personally give you a gift.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To commemorate that you've become better and you've followed the Christian path.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then that little bit of fear allowed at least one of these creatures to capitalize. And they say, oh, s***, hold on. Wait. How am I on this side? What's causing it? Okay, the kids are scared to not get stuff. And that allowed me whatever creature I might be to manifest because there's just enough for me. If I can Cap, maybe all my people can come here.

Cristina: Yes. What?

Jack: So if not Santa Claus, then it could be the story of how an entire race of creatures.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: From the shadow realm have established their home in the Arctic.

Cristina: That is so crazy. I could totally be it too. They don't really need anything. They just need that story. And then they survive off of that story.

Jack: Every year.

Cristina: Every year.

Jack: Although they do have to actually do the work on that day.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: Because it needs to self perpetuate. So I need to do something to keep the narrative moving forward.

Cristina: Do they need to know everything about the child? No, they just need gifts.

Jack: Yeah. They somehow, again, nobody's getting hurt. I'm sure that if no Santa Claus and at least the creature that came through got in contact with same neck. And he's like, maybe we can work together. We're not. We promise you will not harm anything. We're gonna do it your way. But this might get us out of whatever hellhole we already live in.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We'll go when we'll bother. Nobody will disappear. We just help us. You help us, we help you. Everybody wins. Everybody's gonna be a good person. Everybody wants stuff. We can make stuff. We can manifest stuff. It doesn't matter. We don't care about stuff. Stuff doesn't matter to us. Just a lot of us just let us escape the hellhole that is a shadow realm with your help. They just need to fear a little.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Little.

Cristina: And they stay here.

Jack: Yeah. We could stay here. And you'll have people following your Christian God. Because there'll be fear. They want to do the good thing. And inevitably, in this case, Zeus and Odin and the gods from India and all these gods from every other possible Location benefit a little too. Because they just need a little. Yeah, A little for each. And then they can manifest and stay. And it's so self perpetuating that they can just live here.

Cristina: Now that is interesting. They must be really small or something. Like they really don't need any. They or they need a little bit just to be here all year. That's interesting.

Jack: So I guess those are two options.

Cristina: Either they could be the fruit flies.

Jack: Yeah. If no elves, then op Santa, then God.

Cristina: Santa.

Jack: Yeah, actual. Actual God. Not demi, just God. Actual God, like likely created everything Santa. If that's not the case, then elves and then some mix between the two are what's doing everything. But if no Santa, then clever collaboration between St. Nick and some sort of creature from the shadow realm that we're not familiar with. And if that's the case, I don't like that we don't know about a creature from the shadow realm. And we should definitely investigate.

Cristina: Yes, yes. Okay. I don't know how. I mean, we know where they live.

Jack: Just go to the Arctic, go to the North Pole, find that s***.

Cristina: Yes. And we know that they're not dangerous. We know they have night, but we don't know. Like if you go into their territory, it's a whole different story because they can't.

Jack: It can't be proven that they exist. Part of it is the mystery. So chances are whatever goes there doesn't come back. But don't worry, they might have an army.

Cristina: We have an army too. Okay. Yeah. So it'll take our.

Jack: This is what it is. We'll figure it out.

Cristina: Okay, that's crazy.

Jack: Obviously I don't want to get over there and find out that. But if Santa Claus is up, he also doesn't care. He'll be like, whatever, dude. Like, yeah, I'm real. Yeah, tell people.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess like that would just help him.

Jack: So it doesn't matter if just whatever creatures is there. They don't want us to find out.

Cristina: No.

Jack: But if Santa Claus is there, whether with elves or without, you don't give a crap. He's like, yeah, let him come in, it's fine.

Cristina: Ah, interesting.

Jack: It's fine. Let them. Once they leave, they'll tell. Do they want to take pictures? I'm right here. Let everybody know.

Cristina: Yes, I want to take a selfie with Santa.

Jack: Yeah, probably don't give a crap. That's why he loves people imitating him. Every other God is like, don't follow false prophets. Santa's like, s***, let people put him in every mall. F*** It.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Convince everybody early.

Cristina: That's so crazy. It works for him. Everything that every gods convince, like, don't do this.

Jack: He does.

Cristina: He does.

Jack: It works.

Cristina: It works. He's figured it out by just breaking all their rules.

Jack: Yes. Yes. He's playing 4D chess. He gets it. He got. Anyways, that's pretty much where we're at. Well, Santa being the most op God.

Cristina: Of all time, he really is. What?

Jack: Yeah. There's no God like him.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And we're definitely out of time. But, like, look, anybody listening to this? This isn't our first, you know, around the park with freaking God. Find all the God Santa. I mean. Yeah, Santa. So find all the Santa Episodes and start at the back so you can work your way forward seeing how we get informed on this.

Cristina: And then listen to this episode again.

Jack: Yeah. Once you have all that information, you can hear this one again and be like, whoa.

Cristina: Yes. What fun Christmas activity.

Jack: Yeah. I think the first time we mentioned Santa Claus was with Dave and talking about the Matrix.

Cristina: That is very complicated.

Jack: Yeah. It got real crazy.

Cristina: How did the Matrix.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Dave episodes are weird.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, if you can find Santa there, go find him.

Jack: Yeah. I mean, there's probably a Santa Claus in the Matrix. The metaverse is gonna. That's the first place Santa is gonna insert himself. The metaverse. Because now I don't have to like it. Pass that through the tech that the kids are using.

Cristina: It's already there.

Jack: Yeah, he's probably one of the first.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He invented the metaverse just to streamline this.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Anyways, go find all those episodes, listen to them in order or watch them, you know, watch sound waves go up and down or whatever it is you cool kids do or whatever. And you can find all that stuff on the official website atgreatthoughts.info, or on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or anywhere you get your podcast, you know, and you can.

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Cristina: The wokest. Let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth, incredibly powerful. Tell people about the show. This is a Christmas episode so that people can listen to it. So today.

Cristina: Ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho.

Jack: And you know, this. This is. This is for you guys to listen to on your day, waiting for your family to arrive with the gifts. I don't really f****** know. How Christmas works. I'm going off of the movies. Like, the family shows up because there's a family celebrating in their house at the 12 o'. Clock. And then there's the family. They're like extended family. Uncles and grandma come the next day and show up at the house and give the kids gifts and stuff. And it's a bigger family event because the. The Christmas Eve is private and collected while Christmas Day is like a bunch of people in one house or something. So that's what I think. Anyways, regardless of how you celebrate, make sure to play this. Show your family the truth about Santa. Don't let the kids listen I curse too much. Or show the kids how to curse. F*** it. They're gonna learn eventually. Might as well learn and learn how to use it in a fun, playful.

Cristina: Way and a plum. Enough fun.

Jack: Yeah, use it for emphasis, not for insult.

Cristina: Ah, okay. That sounds.

Jack: I'll be like, f*** you. But I will be like, what the f***? You know? This shows contextual examples.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And yeah, also you can find me on stereo, having conversations, usually trolling, getting on people's nerves and showing them the.

Cristina: Way, the light the way. This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: Like who and Lucifer matchup?

Jack: I don't know, maybe Lucifer and Zeus.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: But Zeus is the God of gods.

Cristina: So that would be God, wouldn't it?

Jack: I don't know. Because Zeus himself is a demigod. You can kill Zeus?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I also do believe you can kill Jehovah.

Cristina: So then what does that make him?

Jack: That makes him a demigod. Okay, I think in. How do I put it? In Greek mythology, God. God is beyond Zeus. Zeus isn't the top of the chain. He's the top of Olympus.

Cristina: Yeah, but his. The top top is his dad or something.

Jack: There's like a Titan. But Titans aren't gods. No, Titans are some other thing that it could easily be like whipped around by God.

Cristina: But those are his parents.

Jack: Yes, his parents are Titans. And there is something above the Titans. That is the all powerful God.

Cristina: Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Colazzo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts info, art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 73: Christmas Special

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Christmas, the relationship between the monk Saint Nicholas, Jesus Christ and Santa Clause and the the nature of holiday traditions are discussed.

Story:
With the cat people being interrogated by the Illuminati, the reptilians imprisoned on mars, the subhumans back in their Chinese facilities and the year rushing towards its end, the clone due find themselves with little else to do than get ready for the coming holidays. Thus, this Christmas special arise. The clones crack open a personal investigation into the origins of Christmas and where it might be heading in the future as a way to close off the year.

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Topics Discussed

  • Merry Christmas vs Happy Holidays
  • Is Santa Jesus?
  • Mr. Rogers, Murder Suicide
  • St. Nick vs Mr. Rogers
  • Krampus and Santa
  • The Judging System
  • Coca Cola Santa Origins
  • Santa AKA Capitalist Saint Nick
  • X Means Jesus
  • The War on Christmas
  • Existence Anxiety
  • Mass Murder Challenge
  • Night of the Radish
  • Growing Consciousness

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