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Rambling 297: Most Likely Apocalypse Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised. Jack: Going live in 5, 4. Cristina: What does live mean? Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack. Cristina: And I'm your host, Cristina. Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And as always, we're going to do that today. Now, last week, we went on a crazy rampage trying to ground. To do our job. To do our job. We're trying to do our job. And so we did that. But I had other plans at the beginning, and we never got to that. So this week, we're definitely going to get to it. Now, the world goes crazy randomly. Time repeats and events repeat. And people think the world is ending all the time. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Recently even did an episode about the apocalypse and which one we thought was. Was more likely. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Because the apocalypse is coming. We're here to tell you the apocalypse is coming. I'm sure that if it repeats, then. Cristina: It'S never coming because we'll always have a period where we're like, the apocalypse is coming. Jack: But what if doesn't come? What if. What if multiple apocalypses happen? Cristina: Wouldn't we have noticed? Jack: Well, no, we. We're alive after it. Let's just think about it. Let's just use the Bible as an example. The Great Flood killed almost everybody. It was one family left that was on the ark. Allegedly. According to the story, they then repopulated Earth. That was the apocalypse. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Now there's evidence of a great flood. And there's a lot of stories to talk about the same moment from different points of view of the ark. Obviously, it's a mythological story that probably holds no real bearing, but that was the apocalypse. Cristina: What about the last one? That was supposed to happen. That didn't happen. Jack: Well, no, there's probably a bunch of. It's gonna happen and doesn't. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And then some actual apocalypses. Like the apocalypse has happened and we're here after the apocalypse happened. Oh, and we're gonna have an apocalypse. We see our apocalypse isn't. There's. There's not the apocalypse. Instead, I believe what we should be saying is an apocalypse. Cristina: Apocalypse. Jack: Yeah. There's an apocalypse coming. Cristina: Okay. But has nothing to do with what anyone's talking about. Jack: Well, that's what. That would be my next point. Right. Maybe somebody's figured it out. Like, there's a lot of random ideas. Somebody's got to figure it out. Right. Cristina: I don't. I guess. Like, you mean like just randomly. Jack: Not randomly. Maybe somebody really like it's everybody piecing whatever they can together in whatever way makes most sense to them. All religions and sciences do all the same thing. Cristina: Because were they talking about it before it happened? And with the flooding, where people like, an apocalypse is coming. It's going to be zombies, it's going to be war. It's going to be. Jack: I do believe. Cristina: And then it ended up being water. Jack: I think. Cristina: I think. Jack: Well, yeah, think about it. They. He was literally telling people according to the story, which means somebody was telling people there were announcements of a flood coming, but some people were believing it and some people weren't. Let's say that the. The. Cristina: But were other people spreading other stor. Stories of like, no, there is an apocalypse coming, but it's not water, it's fire. Jack: What would me. I don't know. Cristina: Whatever. Jack: Why? Cristina: Because that's what's happening now. I'm saying, like, there's not one person saying one thing and then everyone's what, believing it or not believing it? Oh, I'm sure a million things. Jack: No, I'm sure. I'm sure there was a billion different things happening at the same time. Maybe some thought it was the flood coming. Some people thought maybe the. Whatever civilization was over the hill was gonna come and kill them all or pillage them all or. Cristina: Mm. Jack: And that that was gonna be the end. Some people thought, no God is gonna come take us all literally. Cristina: I think people still think that, though. Yeah. Yeah. Jack: But I think that's the case. I think that maybe there were multiple apocalypses. And I think people. There were people that believed many different apocalypses were gonna happen, but only one. Cristina: Is the real one. Jack: Only one is a real one. It's like religion, the apocalypse. I mean, I guess. No, I guess you're the same. I guess it's the same thing. Religion and the apocalypse are the same thing. You can't have a religion without the ap. Cristina: Why? Jack: Because then what would it be? Right? Like. Or not. Let me correct that. That's wrong statement. 00:05:00 Jack: You can't have heaven without the apocalypse because everybody is gonna go get punished and the ending for everybody's coming, and one day there's gonna be nothing. Unless, I guess, no, you can fix that problem. You could say that Earth is indefinite, but everybody will one day die and transition to heaven. That means that Earth can go on indefinitely and that heaven will still exist. So never mind. You. That's also a lie of a statement that I made. Cristina: Okay. Jack: But you kind of. It's like all religions, or most have an apocalypse scenario. The World is ending is part of it. Cristina: But you think one of them have it, right? Jack: One of them might. I'm not saying one of them do. I'm saying one of them might. Cristina: Okay. Because someone might have came up with. Jack: Yeah, there's too many. There's over, what, 8 billion of us trying to figure it out. Everybody has an idea of what's right and what's wrong and how it kind of works. And like, I'm sure enough of us have enough pieces that maybe we've talked collectively. You know, that seven degrees of separation where everybody kind of knows each other indirectly somehow. The one person who needs to know the thing knows the thing, and he has all the parts and he knows it. Cristina: I don't know if he needs to know anything. I think it's just random chance that you'll just know. Say the thing you think that it is and it's right. Like it's just. Jack: But you don't think somebody figured it out? Cristina: I don't. I don't know. It could be just by accident. It could equally be either or. Jack: How if it's hyper specific. That's crazy. Cristina: It could be either or. Jack: Oh, my God. Were you the one who showed me that thing? That, that. That phrase. Not the phrase, the quote of the guy saying that we are. Yeah, it was you. That we are the. Cristina: The monkeys that end up writing Shakespeare. Jack: Yeah. Earth is. We're an infinite number of monkeys that continue to breed and make more monkeys. And we literally already wrote. Cristina: Right. Shakespeare. Jack: We already wrote Shakespeare. Cristina: Yes, that's exactly the apocalypse. It's just. It's just random chance that the one person will have the right answer, but no one's gonna believe them because we're all trying. We're all saying something different and we. Jack: All want to believe our thing. Yes, whatever. You're not special. You couldn't figure it out before me. Cristina: So it's gonna happen. Sure. But I don't know if it's because he really, truly figured out. I mean, he could have, but it doesn't really make a difference. It's just gonna happen. It's. It has to happen that someone is gonna have it right, whether they really thought about it or not. Because time. Jack: No. Well, the apocalypse is gonna happen regardless. But who got it right and how did they get it right? I think. I think if it's really specific, they could get it right. But then there's that argument of, like, absolute random chance and, like, I don't know. But also I think. I think it's purposeful and random. At the same time, if that makes sense. Like, Hamlet was not written by accident. The person who wrote it did it with intent. Now, within the universe, it seems completely random. Cristina: Okay. Jack: But it's our scale. It seems intentional. And that brings up a weird question about reality. You know, size and, like, what looks intentional and what doesn't. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Because I guess if you zoom out far enough. Total random tangent here. But if you zoom out far enough, human behavior might look absolutely random. It's chaotic and I guess. And if you just back up enough, we just randomly kill each other, go into war and around our peace with each other at random moments and just. We're just crazy. But up close it makes sense. Cristina: Yes. Jack: I guess this applies logically to everything. Yeah. Same thing happens with, like, outer space. Right. You. You look at anything, it's like, oh, space is just chaos and random. But you zoom into an atomic level. This atom is responding to that atom simply because it was moving in this direction. And everything reacts that way. There's a. You could predict how it's going to go simply based on understanding it at a granular level. And you think unrelated. That was just an unrelated tangent. Cristina: That's what made me think of. It's not that someone will come up with an answer. Jack: I mean, somebody might. Cristina: That's just gonna be in the Simpsons episode. Jack: Here's the problem. Simpsons do a lot of random crap, so it always looks like they're predicting junk. But I think the problem there is the Simpsons have this. How do you call it? You know, these people who. Not pro. I guess it's a prophet. What is Nostradamus. He's like a fortune teller, right? Cristina: Who? Jack: Nostradamus, the dude who has a book. Who predicted a bunch of crap in the future. Cristina: Oh, yeah. I guess. Jack: And like, oh, my God. So much of it came true. And it comes down to, like, you. Cristina: Know, if you're just. Jack: You've had thousands of predictions, Homie. Cristina: Yeah. Like a few of them eventually 00:10:00 Cristina: will be true. Yeah. Jack: And the Simpsons has how many seasons they've been around for how long? Cristina: How many are wrong versus how many are right? Jack: Yeah. How many episodes go by that you couldn't say they predicted something for before something happens that you say they predicted something for? Cristina: Yes. Jack: You know, and it's like they're cherry picking. Cristina: Yeah. Like, if you saw the actual dicks of all of that. Jack: Yeah. It's such an infinitely small amount of things they got right versus things they got wrong. Cristina: But they still probably will come up with it. Jack: Yeah. And I'm sure That somebody's gonna be like, the Simpsons, you know, they called it, but it's like they've explored every idea there's. Cristina: Exactly. Yeah. They probably explored every different type of apocalypse. Jack: Yeah, a hundred percent. How many different ways has that world ended? And then it happens over here. Oh, my God. The Simpsons predicted it would be a chemical plant. Oh, my God. The Simpsons predicted it would be aliens. It's like, what? Cristina: That doesn't make sense. Jack: That doesn't make sense. That does not make sense at all. Cristina: But that's what's going to happen. I guess they'll figure it out. Or we'll think that they figured it out, even though they didn't figure it out because they're just, like, making stuff. Jack: Up as they go. Pretty much, yes. Okay, so then my question is, how do we predict the apocalypse? And then in knowing how we predict the apocalypse, we can identify who would already know. Cristina: You think someone already knows? Jack: I think somebody must already know. If somebody can know, somebody does know. If somebody can know, somebody does know. We'll go with that assumption. Cristina: And you think we could figure out who knows? Jack: Well, we can figure out. We can try to get as close as possible, but beforehand, we got to figure out. The two assumptions we're going with right now are one, if it can be done, if it can be known, somebody knows. Two, it can be known. So we just have to prove how, though. We have to move forward with those two ideas right now. Cristina: How do you prove how? Jack: Well, we got to figure out how we could. How we're going to predict the future, how we're going to tell which apocalypse. I guess the idea is not when we were having the apocalypse episode, we were having a conversation about what we would do and just kind of theoretically, what's more likely. Right now, we're just going to totally weigh out which one is going to happen or not. We weren't deciding which one was more likely, but rather what were the possibilities. Now, knowing the possibilities will just figure out which one is most likely. Cristina: How. Jack: I think, for example, we can easily exclude robots. Cristina: Why? Jack: Because I don't think we're anywhere. I. We're wrong about what AI is inherently. We're just wrong about what AI is. We're calling it artificial intelligence, but there's no intelligence there. It's googling. And even when it's not googling, Even when it's not googling, it's just sort of reacting off of the information that it was trained on to begin with, which is to use all the information and simply organize it, it's imitating, it's not originating. It's never creating its own thought. There's no intelligence. It's not even learning it really. It's just spitting things out. And imagine keyword searches, okay. And this is answers that, this answers that, this answers that. Let me put those together and give all the important parts from all of it. Which I guess is also kind of like intelligence works to some degree, but because I guess that's what we do. Cristina: But it's not coming up with anything new. Jack: It's not going to come up with anything new. It would never make up its own thing. It would be impossible. It would have to always rely on imitation. And for it to be true, intelligence would need the ability to originate a. Cristina: Thought, which so far, no. Jack: So far, no. I think like the computers taking over, realistically, might not be soon or at least the soonest we. What we'd be discussing right now is which is the soonest, most likely. Cristina: Zombies. No. I don't know. Jack: We get. We've gotten pretty close with some pharmaceutical things, but it doesn't seem, I think definitely viral is up there getting sick. Cristina: Getting in some type of way. Jack: Yes. I don't know if zombies. I think we'd quickly just nuke that city and get that done with. We've got too much media making us paranoid and we're going to be like, now solve that one. Cristina: Okay. We're going to do Resident Evil. Jack: Yeah, probably. We just get rid of it. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: So definitely not that I think viral. Yes. 00:15:00 Jack: No, I think no zombies for sure. Cristina: No aliens for sure. Jack: No aliens. It wouldn't like really, it wouldn't make sense. Why aliens wouldn't need to interact with us for what. Cristina: And if people swear they are, if. Jack: You can try, I mean, they can study us. That makes sense. We're a different creature. But they don't have to speak with us. They don't need to talk with our leader like none of that bullshit. And it does. They don't need to destroy our planet or take over it or anything. Whatever resource exists here exists in abundance everywhere else in space. And the fact that they can clear the distance of space means that their technology is so exaggeratedly overpowered they can make the resource they're missing. So they don't need anything from us. They don't have any reason. Studying us would be the most important thing. And other than that, like, why are. Cristina: They still studying us? How long does selling us take? Jack: Well, there's creep. We evolve, we change. We keep studying animals even after we know them. Okay, science is science. You, you're never fully informed. You're only closer than you were before, and that's as close as you can get. But. So I don't think they're gonna end the world though. If anything, they're helping preserve us from meteors and that could end us. Okay, you know, they're out there. Why has nothing hit us in so long that has just reset the clock? Well, they're out there somewhere, just like keep that planet safe. It's fine. They're just creatures developing. Cristina: That's possible. Okay? Jack: Possible. We never see them because we can't mess with any of that. But they're out there just protecting Earth. Yeah, aliens everywhere. Just. They're not even out there. He's got robots doing it. Cristina: Robots. Jack: They got robots destroying stuff. No aliens, no AI, no zombies. Definite disease. Seems high, but I think. You know what it's gonna be. The possibility to me is that it's gonna be a government created attempt to scare the people that gets out of control. Because they're trying to control the people again. Maybe the people losing control. And the government wants to hold its grip on society because of whatever the h***. Cristina: They're gonna scare us. Jack: Trying to scare us with a real thing they made. Well, only, you know, you gotta crack some eggs to make an omelette. And then that omelette gets out of control. Cristina: But it's the people or the thing that they use to scare the people. Jack: They were using the thing to scare the people, to get the people back under control. Cristina: And then the thing. Jack: Yeah, think Covid. But it goes way rogue. Okay, so the government makes the thing, releases it on the people with an attempt to. Oh, we're gonna put new rules and lockdowns and this and that. We're gonna get our laws back in our side. And then it even goes out of control that the government can't control it. Cristina: And it could be just a thing like. Jack: Yeah, it could just be virus. Yeah. It turns out to be way more contagious than they thought. Okay, that seems likely to me from all of it. Cristina: Is that your final answer though? Jack: Well, that's just one thing. I've discussed. What other apocalypses could happen. I think that's definitely high on this. Until we discuss something that stands out a little more. Cristina: The government is deciding it. Jack: No, they weren't deciding on the apocalypse. The government was simply trying to scare the people with something like Covid. Cristina: Okay. Jack: They happen to turn out way more contagious and starts killing people or mutates really quickly out of Their control. Cristina: But. Jack: I think that's possible. But like, what else is there? That's not them plotting the apocalypse. This is the apocalypse by chance happening because they're stupid. Cristina: Would you think they try to. Like, what would plotting the apocalypse look like for them? Jack: The government tries to plot. Okay, fair enough. This would have to be a scenario in which they have all the resources they need and can live without the peasants, essentially. And so rich people would need to interact with the government. And then that's the. You know, those are all the elites, politicians and rich people, and they somehow work together to set, settle, let's say, you know, get Mars up and running and we'll abandon Earth and all of the people, and they'll have no leadership and they'll kill each other down there. We'll just come back in like two, 300 years after we've killed each other. Reclaim Earth. Cristina: What? Jack: That's the situation which I think the apocalypse is all leadership suddenly leaving with all of the important information and resources. Cristina: I don't know if they can do that, but that sounds crazy. Jack: Yeah, I don't think they can either. I think there's enough of us that we would just keep going, figure it out. Cristina: We can figure it out. Maybe they take the resources somehow, but I don't know what that would mean. Jack: Well, not even the resources. It's more of informational hierarchy. If the president left, and so did the Secretary 00:20:00 Jack: of Defense, and so did the vice president and all the senators and all the mayors and all the congress people and all the judges. Cristina: That's a lot of people. Jack: If they all left, if they all left, everybody with some higher status, all of them, the world, in the world, all in one time, who's gonna take charge? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: Death is gonna happen f****** everywhere. Cristina: Everybody wants it, so people are just gonna be fighting for it. Jack: Who's enforcing the law? Cristina: Mm. Jack: Who's making the law? Who's gonna punish you? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: I think if elites leave chaos. Cristina: Okay, that's. Jack: Oh, right. We never think about it, but easy. So they set up up there. They decide, okay, keep sending resources, survival things. Get it going. So it's independent and we. Literal paradise. We've made away from these people. Cristina: But then they want to come back. Jack: After we've killed ourselves and died out here, then they could easily reclaim Earth without a struggle and have even more resources. An absolute paradise. Plus all the technology and crap that. Cristina: Was left behind, we'd still be here. There'd be still people on the planet. They'd just be more dangerous. Jack: Yeah, I think we'd eventually end up back in order. There'll be a lot of murders at first and it would be chaos and it would just settle again. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Most of us. Cristina: They wouldn't be able to like communicate with what's left of us or something. Jack: No. They would just immediately get off. We're like. Those guys are aliens. Cristina: Huh? Wouldn't we think they're aliens? We would. Jack: They come from outer space. We don't know. We've never seen them. Those are people who live on Mars. They're Martians. They're claiming they're human, but they're Martians. They came from Mars. Cristina: That's crazy. No, no, no. Jack: It wouldn't cause an apocalypse that feels like the ending. It would look crazy. It would be a nuts period in time. The Earth just kind of quickly went into absolute chaos. But I don't think it would be apocalyptic. I don't think it would end. I think many most people would still be alive. Cristina: But you think if there is an apocalypse, the government are the people that would know that it was coming? Jack: I think only if they are responsible for it. Cristina: Oh. Jack: Which would be the same as a nuclear apocalypse. That's government's fully aware. So viral. It was probably the government trying to take control. That was what that was. Covet was. Cristina: Okay. Jack: That's covert. Was. It's American government facilities testing on viruses in China. Cristina: Were they trying to attack. They weren't trying to attack China or anything. Jack: What the h*** they were doing or why this. These people were always saying are the enemy. We're always working with. Cristina: If you're working with them. And they. Yes, we do swear they are the enemy. Jack: People are idiots. They'll believe whatever they're told. Those people are bad. Oh. But winning trades. Cristina: Something's not right. Jack: Something's not right. Yeah. No. They're always good. They're always bad. Cristina: They're always bad. Jack: Oh yeah. So definitely like nuclear apocalypse or viral outbreaks seem high for them knowing. Cristina: But nuclear. Who would even. Jack: And that's a total destruction situation. Cristina: Yeah. No one really wants that. Jack: But if it happened the governments would know. Cristina: Mmm. I guess. Yeah. Jack: You know, because everybody would start firing at everybody. The country that knows it's going down is gonna launch in every direction it had aimed. Because f*** you guys that knew and didn't stop them. And then every one of those countries are gonna do the same thing. It's a chain reaction. Cristina: I think everyone's just gonna. Jack: Everybody. I think if a single nuke goes out, all the nukes go out. Cristina: No, I Hope not. Jack: That's why they're called deterrence. Nuclear deterrent. You're not going to use it because they're going to use it too. Cristina: But once someone does, that's it. That's really it. Jack: A single one. Everybody uses it. That's the problem. That's actually the premise of Fallout, I believe. Cristina: Does someone used it? Jack: Someone use it? I think the world is affected, not just the United States. Cristina: I wish we knew more. Jack: Yeah, but that. Those are my. The government knows scenarios. Cristina: I think the government knows. Jack: So you think it's one of those two? No. There's an apocalypse. Could be other things. Maybe religious people are right. Maybe it's gonna be a religious apocalypse. Cristina: That one's a tough one because it's always like. I don't know. To them the world is always worse or it's getting worse. It's just bad people are immoral. They're monsters. It's like, are they. 00:25:00 Cristina: Has things changed? Is there more horrible people than there were? Jack: Well, no, but let's assume that the ending of the story is right. Even if it getting worse isn't. Then there's still an apocalypse. But then which religion. Which religion is right? Jesus is gonna come back. Everybody. Cristina: Because we're American. He is coming back. Jack: Everybody. Everybody. Over and most apocalypses have that happen. Some kind of a war. Most narratives are some kind of. Cristina: We're not even part of the war. Jack: At least not in the Bible. Cristina: I don't think so. Jack: I think. Cristina: You think there is a story. Jack: I think it's either Norse mythology or Greek mythology. The narrative is that one side uses the souls of the dead to fill their army out or some crap like that. I don't know if it's either one of those two. I know some religions. Cristina: What about the humans? The humans are used or. No. Are they just in the middle of it? Jack: The humans who are alive? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: No. Everybody would die. Cristina: Everyone would die. And then our souls are part of the fight. Jack: Yeah. This. The. Basically the. Whether you've died or not, once the apocalypse begins, eventually you're just going to die. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Because plot. And then you're going to be. You're going to join one side or the other, whatever. Cristina: I don't know. That doesn't make sense to me either because. What about all the people who don't want to choose a side? Jack: No. You force them to a side. It doesn't matter which. Yeah. I don't know why it makes sense as a story, but let's say that's right, then. Okay. Cristina: I don't know, it's just hard to imagine that, like, we're all told there's evil and good and you gotta fight for one and everyone's gonna really be. Jack: Easily choose, like, well, no, you're not choosing me. You know, there's good and evil. You're not told which one is which. Both are telling you, I'm good, I'm good there. Cristina: You like, why even fight then? Jack: No, because one of them is lying. Cristina: That's. Jack: And it's up to you to decide. Cristina: Why would you trust yourself in that type of decision? Jack: Because there is no option. There's a f****** war. Cristina: There is. And you're already dead. Why does it matter? Jack: You're gonna cease to exist. I guess would be dying after you've died is ceasing to exist. Cristina: But how do you know that's right? Jack: You don't. I don't know. These things that are already there are telling you it's right. Cristina: I know, it's just hard to believe after you die, like, whatever anyone says, it's hard to believe what they're saying. No, unless you believe everything everyone says. It's either everyone's lying so I can't do anything, or everyone's telling the truth now. Jack: I don't know what to do. You're thinking about this wrong way. Look at it like this. If you are a Christian and you die, and when you die, you are in this sort of blank slate place and you walk infinitely in what looks like nothing and eventually you come up to a white gate with a golden fence. Wait, no, if. Golden fence, A white fence with a golden gate. There you go, a white fence with a golden gate and a dude who's gonna. Who tells you to stand in front of him and he's gonna talk to you before he lets you in. You can for sure question, but you kind of know that. D*** the Christians got it based on all the clues. You know, you don't have to be like in. I guess everything else they said after this point is wrong. After the initial point you're kind of like, well, they got this part right. I might as well just follow the narrative now. Cristina: Well then what if you get in there and then it ends up being heaven, h*** or whatever? Jack: It could totally be the case. Then some of the parts of the story were messed up and as you got, but you got to follow it. But you're not gonna see the white pearly gate and question it and be like, well, I guess this could be fake. Like, no, you died and now you're here. Be like, oh, I get. What else can you do? I guess you're in the new plane and you have nothing else to go off of. You're not just deciding, well, after this point, they must be wrong. Okay, they got, they got it this right, but that's it. Like, based on what? So you just kind of roll with it. I don't think after the first confirmations you're just gonna turn on it, you know, so you die and you get to the war zone or whatever, and they're like, you gotta pick a side. You're not gonna be like, I can't trust which side resonates with you. You're gonna go with that. Okay, well, it kind of looks like this. And based on that text, it was kind of like, this side's a good guy, so I'll go there. And if you're wrong, you're wrong. The end. Cristina: Is there even a right and wrong? Jack: The Bible thinks there is. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You know, religions think there are. Islam thinks there is. 00:30:00 Jack: The Quran says, oh, there's good and evil. Okay, Jews don't think there is. Cristina: They don't? Jack: No, no. If you're going for Orthodox and traditional Judaism, there are many things that are absolutely different. Heaven isn't a thing that was added later. It's not real. Cristina: How much later? Jack: Quite, quite a while. There was no heaven or h*** for an infinity. Judaism did not have that concept. That was added much later. There's so many texts, so many texts. Cristina: With Jesus around the time. Jack: It wasn't added with Jesus, it was added prior to Jesus. I think the first mentions in the older texts start at the end of the Torah. But if said that at the end of the Torah or it came with Jesus. I know that most of the Torah does not have a single mention. And they were. The first parts were written in that order, so there's no existence of h***. It was just later it showed up somewhere. Cristina: So you just die. Jack: You just die and kind of join, become one. Actually, as a rabbi once explained it to me, we don't know. We don't know. We don't know what happens. We're not divine. And that's legit. Fair, bro. Any Christian that's like, no, this happens. It's no, no, no. You couldn't know. Cristina: You couldn't know. Jack: You couldn't know. You're not divine. You're not here and there. You don't know you're gonna be there. When you're there, you're just there. You're not over here. Cristina: It's too complicated to imagine that the Apocalypse is gonna be just one of the Bible endings. Not Bible, but religious endings is right. Jack: Why? Cristina: Because there's too many. There's too many. Jack: Well, that's even more proof that one of them would get it right, I guess. Cristina: But it's not like they knew. It feels too random. Or maybe. Jack: Depends how much of it they got right. If it's like a single detail and the rest of it is wrong. Cristina: But. Jack: All right, we'll give it to you. Cristina: Because then. Jack: Yeah, okay, that's random chance. But it's like, if you got every beat okay, like, then how do you figure it out, bro? There's no way you could have predicted that a tree in this forest is gonna fall. Then an explosion is gonna happen across the world at exactly this second. Cristina: Some horns are gonna sound. Jack: Yeah. From the whole sky, everywhere, all the time. Exactly at this date is gonna sound. And everybody's gonna hear all at once. Like, how'd you predict all of this? That guy knew something. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Versus, like, during a storm, we're gonna. The world is gonna burst and bust into flame. And it's like, what if a weird volcanic eruption happened and it created a storm? Cristina: Because of all the block, Then obviously he was right. Jack: Like, yeah, that's chance. We could, like, give it to you because you got it. But like, random chance said that a volcanic eruption of a super volcano threw enough debris into the air and created an entire electrical storm. And then I think another super fire. Cristina: Volcano can explode and, like, kill us all. Jack: Absolutely. Absolutely. That could totally happen. Cristina: Could that just be the end? Jack: Yeah. I wonder how long after a super volcano would we all be dead? That would be an apocalypse. But like, what speed of an apocalypse would it be? Cristina: The perfect amount of speed. I don't know. Jack: Perfect amount of speed that maybe that's. Cristina: What'S happening on the road. I don't know. Jack: It could. It could. We have no idea. What the h***. Cristina: No idea. Jack: The ash everywhere and the blocked sky. Cristina: Yeah, we gotta see how long that does take. Jack: Super volcano. Cristina: Super volcano. Jack: Interesting. So now, I never thought about that. I always thought, like, nuclear warfare, but. Cristina: In Japan must sink or Japan sinks or whatever it was called. There was a volcano that exploded, but it didn't destroy the world. Jack: It wasn't a super volcano. Cristina: It wasn't a super volcano. It was a pretty big. It felt like it was super Mount Fuji. Jack: It was a volcano that's not super. That's not super. Cristina: What qualifies a volcano to be super? Jack: I think super volcanoes are so large, they don't look like volcanoes to Us. Cristina: They're so large they don't look like volcanoes. Jack: Yeah. I could be wrong in just saying s*** like if anybody who doesn't agree with this, comment below. That doesn't even make sense. But yes, wherever you'd go, comment, comment there and let us know. Cristina: In Spotify you could comment below or at least on your phone. I'm pretty sure you can. I don't know if. Jack: Oh I guess if you listen on Spotify, comment below on your phone, just comment. I forget we're on Spotify. Yeah, interesting. Okay. Okay. Super volcano breakdown of series of events. Right. Initial 00:35:00 Jack: weeks is from the day of eruption to three weeks. So eruption blast is going to kill thousands of people instantly and ashfall is going to suffocate the nearby populations. That's instant death. Instant death. Cristina: Instant as in like it's immediate. Jack: The people close to the blast. Yeah, this is just within the first three weeks. This is all happening. Cristina: Okay. Jack: All of these people are f*****. Then transport and flights completely are grounded. There's no planes going up. You can't see there's a lot of magnetism going on. There's a lot of chemicals in the sky. Food shortages are going to immediately start kicking in because of the inability to transport things in planes quickly. Oh and health care is going to get over overwhelmed right off the bat. Cristina: Okay. And that's all of, that's the first few weeks. Jack: All of that is the first three weeks. Cristina: Okay. Jack: So absolute chaos in the first three weeks. This is super volcano apocalypse now. Crop failures are going to follow in the first, first to three months from ash spread. Drinking water contamination is going to be widespread. Global supply chain disruptions are going to ridiculous. Starvation is going to begin in the poorest areas and the death toll is going to reach millions globally in the first three months. Cristina: The first three months. Oh my gosh. Jack: Then from three to six months we're going to have temperature drops and it's going to cause the crop to fail entirely. Food hoarding and riots are going to start to increase as people start to get hungry and desperate to in random locations. Respiratory illness is going to spread in an uncontrollable rate as the exposure to the ash is going to be absurd. Cristina: Wonder how much people are left at this point. Jack: Migration from affected areas is going to begin and the death toll is going to be in the hundreds of millions. Cristina: Okay. Jack: From three to six months. Six months to a year. Nuclear winter is going to cause mass starvation and infrastructure breakdown in all regions. We're going to have disease spread due to poor sanitization sanitization, sanitation and governments collapse in many regions around the world. And we're going to start reaching the billions at this point, in the first year to two years, the persistent cold is going to kill surviving crops. Cannibalism is going to begin around this place. Population drops to survivalists almost exclusively. Global communication ends completely. And the death toll is going to be roughly over 90% of humanity in the first two years. Cristina: The first two years we're done. Jack: The first two years is 90% of humanity. Year three to five, Ash begins to settle. Worldwide, small agricultural zones reappear. Few communities rebuild infrastructure. Survivors adapt to the new ecosyste. Some and remaining humans, millions, the entire Earth collectively, only millions would remain would start to rebuild. So we would have the new. So that would be an apocalypse. Yeah, I think that's the post apocalypse. So we don't need everybody to cease. What we were seeing during the flood was the most crazy of events. It was so exaggerated. Cristina: Wait, you're talking about the Bible flood? Jack: The flood, yes, that Bible flood. If that was real, it's so exaggerated that only one family. The real idea would be you didn't know everybody on Earth. You thought everybody around you was all that existed. And maybe around the Earth after that flood happened, many people just like you survived. And those people repopulated. And that explains the giant differences between cultures. Cristina: You think they thought I don't understand so but like once they got off the boat, they would have noticed if there was other people? No. Jack: Why? Everybody's dead. Cristina: But there are people out. Jack: There are people out there. So it's Earth. Cristina: But when they're breeding with their children or their children are breeding with themselves, like they never realize or look around, I guess it's just them. Until eventually I'll paint this picture for you. Jack: Noah makes the ark. Noah gets on the ark. There's many people around Noah. There are also already natives in the Americas and in South America and people way over in Asia and in the depths of Africa. Migration has happened long. 00:40:00 Jack: It's been hundreds of thousands of years. Migration. We're everywhere. And then the flood happens. Now he doesn't know that people are this far spread out. Since the last ice age, the ground connecting where they migrated over doesn't exist anymore. It was ice. They walked over ice. It melted away. Now you don't even. It's been so many generations since that happened. You have no perspective. But you're here. Flood happens, everybody around you dies. All of them. You never see somebody again who wasn't in your family. You think Earth drowned and you wrote history. You're the last people surviving who know how to write and tell stories. Cristina: How many generations did it take before it was not just his family breeding with itself? Jack: Well, it would have to repopulate the entire general area. Everybody was his family, no matter what. It's. Until we start going into, like, they met Asians or they met South Africans, or they crossed and met people in. In South America or in North America. Cristina: Very strange. Jack: But everybody else is related to them to something. So. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: At least to the top guy. Cristina: Yes. Which I guess, in the end of the day, doesn't that mean, like, if you believe in the Bible, you also believe you're part of Noah's family? Yes. Jack: It would have to be. You're part of his lineage. Cristina: Yeah, yeah. It's Noah and it's. Jack: Yeah, we literally have us. The way I like to think about it is as follows. Adam and Eve. They create all of humanity that goes completely out of control. Then the destruction of everybody but the family. That will be the new Adam and Eve, pretty much. And then they again do that. They are 2.0. That's also why they are considered to be the important. Cristina: Except also Eve died. I. I guess you got to get rid of Eve no matter what. Eve does not exist, because isn't she the one? Oh, no. I'm thinking of the different story crap. All these Bible stories are ridiculous. I was thinking of the lady who looks back at the city and then she dies. That's not a. That's a different apocalypse, Right? Jack: That's not apocalypse. This is a city. Cristina: Oh, that's just the city. Jack: This is the world, allegedly. Cristina: Okay. Jack: People who believe in the Christian Bible and in the Torah believe they are descendants of Noah. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Everybody is a descendant of Noah. Cristina: Okay, that makes sense, I guess. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: In this weird way. All right. Jack: But that still means we're descendant of Adam. Because you can follow a line between Adam and Noah. Noah is some descendant of Adam. Everybody is. But really, everybody is also a descendant of Noah. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It's not that everybody's a descendant of Adam, but not a descendant of both Cain and Abel. You're either one or the other. You get my point. No, it doesn't work that way. Everybody's a descendant of Noah. Now, if Noah had five children, everybody's a descendant of one of those five children. Nobody's the descendant of both. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Or all five. I guess there's five. Cristina: Unless they made it with each other. Then you were. Jack: Unless they made it with each other. Yeah. Cristina: At least two of them. Jack: Yes, exactly, exactly, exactly. You would be a descendant of at least two. Yeah, but that would still mean descendant of. We're all descendants of Noah, according to this narrative. Cristina: Okay, that's very strange narrative. Okay. Jack: Now it rained for 40 days and 40 nights. That caused the Earth to flood. Cristina: I guess. Jack: So it must have been some crazy rain. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And was there no water on Earth before then? Where'd the water go? Cristina: Where did it go? Jack: It went to the center. Not the center, but it sank into the Earth. The Earth absorbed the water because then. Cristina: Where did it come from? Jack: Interesting. Let's assume the story is true. The story is true. Okay. What are we really talking about right now? We are talking about some sort of meteor fall that as it was entering the atmosphere, the fire was burning it down, the water and it just kept evaporating in our atmosphere, filling it out. There had to be some crazy. But they were all small rocks of H2O just burning in our atmosphere, filling it up with water, water, water. And Dennis just starts. There must have been a crazy colossal meteor that just missed us. That was really gonna end the job. Cristina: But like an ice ball. Jack: Yeah, Giant ice ball coming through and, you know, a bunch of surrounding smaller balls, but it passed really, really, really, really close. Maybe Earth didn't have a bunch of water yet, but really, really close. Or maybe Earth had right amount of water. Maybe we consider the ocean isn't directly connected to the center. 00:45:00 Jack: Maybe that's just a pool that has no exit and all the water is stuck there. But maybe there's holes here and there where water can go down. So when it rained for 40 days and 40 nights, the drain after the flood was quick because everywhere else the water would dissipate through. It could get down into the surface. But where the oceans are, there's no escape. So a giant meteor is coming through. It's. It's an ice rock, an asteroid coming through. And it has a bunch of small. Many, many. It must be huge. It must be some moon sized rock that just barely missed us. And then we're getting bombarded by the smaller ones that are burning up in the atmosphere. Cristina: No one notices that. Jack: I don't know. And how would he have known? That's the other problem. If we assume this is true, how would he have known? The billabo? How could you just know there's a giant rock from space? It couldn't be that. He had to be like a meteorologist or something. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And be predicting the movements of the clouds. I don't know. I don't know how do you flood the Earth? Cristina: That's kind of crazy. Jack: How do we scientifically ground this in a way that makes sense? How'd you flood the Earth? It couldn't have been. It had to be just this area. Cristina: It had to. That would make the most sense. That makes the most sense. Jack: Like everybody's ever been around is flooded. Cristina: Yeah, that's it. Like if he was in that weird Greek town that was flooded. Was it Greek Indian town? Oh, that was on the water and it just disappeared. Because they flooded it themselves. Jack: Yeah, but they knew that other people existed and they were. It's not. That's a small area. They could have easily traveled on foot somewhere else. You have to be such a. It still had to be a pretty epic flood. Or. These are people who never traveled anywhere. And it was. I mean, I guess maybe it was really hard to travel. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: A time where? In an area that was underdeveloped. Cristina: And are they on an island? Jack: No, but just assume we're. They're in an area that's underdeveloped and they are in. It's desert. Underdeveloped desert. And there isn't a lot of other places to go to. You guys are some of the first people. It's only been a couple of generations, right? Man. How many generations has it been between. Cristina: Between him and Adam? Jack: Between him and Adam. Yeah. How many people exist at the time of Noah? Cristina: Look that up. Jack: Okay, okay, okay, I got some answers here. In the entire planet at the time of Noah, there was roughly about 10 million people in all of Earth. Cristina: Okay, Right. That's still a nice amount of people. Jack: Yes. Now in the area directly surrounding Noah, like his general region, there was about a million of those people. That was one of the starting points of all people. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And like that and Africa probably had the two largest populations. Cristina: Okay, I thought you were saying like a hundred people. Jack: No, no. In that region. But it's important to keep perspective. Noah existed in a time and place that. I was right. Travel was nearly impossible to any faraway community. They didn't know other communities existed. And there was no worldview. Cristina: Okay. Jack: In the time of Noah. They did not. Cristina: That was their world. Jack: That was their world. They didn't consider that there were other people farther out. That wasn't a thought. All that existed is everybody you've seen. If you saw somebody that you've never met before, they claim they were from a far off place. Now suddenly that place exists in your world. And that often didn't happen. Most people thought them and their closest communities were all that ever existed, which. Cristina: Is a big size community. Jack: But okay, so relatively speaking, he would have thought so in his direct surrounding area, about 500,000 to a million people. Right. But his perspective based on who he might have ever seen and who he has seen has ever seen, he would have thought that There were about 10,000 people in all of Earth. Cristina: 10,000 people. Jack: 10,000 people in all of Earth. Additionally, his region could have easily flooded in its entirety and killed everybody if it, if a flood happened. Let me correct. I couldn't easily have flooded. If a flood did happen there, it could have easily flooded the entire region and killed everybody. So yes, he could have honestly believed, but everybody died. Cristina: A million people or the 10,000. Jack: He thought 10,000 in his region that we would. Where we would point at it on a map. There were about a million people. He was so far from most of those people, he probably didn't know they existed. Cristina: Okay. Jack: In his small within the dot, we would point out from million people. 00:50:00 Jack: Those people are so spread out between each other that it wasn't beneficial just. Cristina: Losing a million people. I mean, a thousand, ten thousand people. He probably would be like losing the world. Jack: The world ended. If 10,000 people died, he thought everybody was gone. Cristina: Okay. Jack: If his area flooded and 10,000 people died, he's like, there's nobody left around me. By the time the flood is gone, he never saw another person ever again. Cristina: All right, so then we're not all connected to him. I mean, maybe they want to believe. Jack: No, that's the Christian Bible. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Okay, but definitely his belief could be justified. And most of the world never even realized that happened. Cristina: Yeah, it's just a flood. Jack: It's just a flood. That was fair enough. Kind of large, but just in his spot. Cristina: But in the real, in like right now, could a flood like that happen? Well, in that could not have happened because that didn't happen. But like, could the world get flooded? And how Earth? Jack: Yes, it would have to be like I said, it would have to be like a giant ridiculous rock coming through that's all ice and bringing mad small ice rocks. Maybe it made impact long before it got anywhere near us and broke into a billion trillion tiny little pieces. So small. Cristina: It's gonna be a lot of water coming from somewhere else. Jack: Yeah, they're all just ice so that the moment they hit our atmosphere, they start just melt away. They just melt away quickly, all of them. But one does it fine. It just turned into a little cloud and you know, but then another and then another, and then another and then another. And it Keeps happening. It keeps happening and keeps happening. It keeps happening. It keeps happening. Cristina: How huge could asteroids get? Can they get planet size, moon size? Jack: Yeah, yeah. This won't be that. And also something like that would be making impact of crap left and right is huge. Gravity. It would be aiming at other crap. By default we have too much gravity. And plus whatever gravity of the thing it would just have made impact eventually become small anyways. That's why they're usually certain sizes. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And. And we literally just call things that are those sizes rogue planets. Cristina: You know, rogue ice planet hits us. Jack: Yeah. It would have to be a rogue ice planet because we wouldn't call it a meteor or an asteroid. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It just know you've crossed the threshold now you're even rarer. But yeah. We can expect big enough sizes and then get bombarded regularly until it starts to become too packed and starts to rain little by little versus a couple of days of rain without stop. And the rain always, always, always is heavier than a minute ago. Indefinitely more. Cristina: But what are we dying? Jack: Would. I mean a lot of people would if it caught us off guard. Well no, the problem is with our current day technology wouldn't happen. Cristina: Both. And we'll just be both people. Jack: We'll be both people. Cristina: But could we survive off of just fishing? I guess would be the way because there's no plants us like you get seaweed I guess. I don't know. Like obviously the food. There will be a huge problem in the future. Jack: If we jump a thousand years in the future and we say that the planet is always flooded. We've adapted and we figured it out in the apocalypse scenario because you can think in the future. A thousand years in the future plants adapted and became the water plant survived. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And plants that could be drowned and handle it have adopt adapted and we've figured out ways to get them. And we've grown plants on the sides of buildings and on top of buildings that are floating and crap. And still if a big enough flood we've made skyscrapers those are going to be packed with people. Cristina: Yeah. So you'll think it won't really be the end of the world. It'll be the end of whatever we had. Life as we know it's like yeah, it's going to be a whole different type of life. Jack: And I still. Yeah. I think if we. If it's coming, we know because we have the technology to prepare and see it coming from a million miles away and turn society into all. Cristina: You can't just flood in a day like you Just can't. Like no automatic. Everything's flooded. Jack: No. Cristina: That kind of thing. Yeah. Okay. There's no chance. But like, how could that even. Jack: I mean, we could change the scenario a little and say we see nothing in space and then tomorrow it's the moon's distance from us. Do we have the time to start building the boats? We won't. It's gonna flood. But now how bad is the flood gonna be if it's. It's still not gonna happen overnight. No, it's gonna build up slowly. Cristina: So you can still plan. Jack: Yeah, we won't. People are gonna die. We don't have the facilities. Cristina: Yes. Jack: For this. Cristina: People will die. But it's not never gonna be as high as other scenarios. Jack: No. 1 we're throwing. Most people are throwing everything out of skyscrapers. Leave the bottom. Everybody get the f*** away from the building. We're emptying every floor from bottom the top and stocking all the skyscrapers with all the food, all the food we could find, all the skyscrapers. Scientists 00:55:00 Jack: are going to give us an average based on how much rain they think for how long. And hopefully they're right. And it doesn't go beyond that point. And we're going to go. Starting at the top and we're just going to the. When the rain begins, as the flooding begins, we will start to inhabit these buildings more and more and keep going up, keep going up, keep going up, keep going up, keep going up until we can't go up anymore. Not everybody's gonna fit. Cristina: No. Jack: Billions are gonna fit. Cristina: People find other things. Jack: Boats for days. Cristina: Raptors, Rafters. Raft. Yeah, raft. Boats. Jack: Oh, rafts, things. Cristina: Little boats. Jack: Yeah, yeah. Just boats and crap canoes. Everywhere would be fine. A bunch of people be fine. Cristina: The. Jack: Other problem is, is this gonna be just flooding or is this gonna be storming? If it's gonna be storming, people are on boats. They, the skyscrapers. Cristina: I was thinking of flooding, but like it could be storming. I don't know. I don't know. Jack: No, it's f*****. Especially if trees get swallowed up. Cristina: Yes. Jack: If trees are underwater, you're f*****. Trees stop floods. They slow down waves and movement. If you have a giant forest by the ocean before your city, the trees slow down any kind of impactful water from gaining momentum. But if it goes over the trees and a wave can just roll over it, then what? Cristina: But would like the world becomes flooded because of this asteroid? Are there also more storms because things are different? Jack: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Cristina: Like, is that a product of what's going on yes. Jack: The humidity level is going to rise ridiculously. It's going to make everything way f****** hotter. The sun is going to directly be hitting water all the time, creating vapor consistently. That's going to rise and create an infinite cycle of rain. After the ice finishes landing on Earth, the amount of rain that has established is going to cycle through indefinitely. If it floods over trees, that's crazy amount of flooding. And it's just going to cycle indefinitely. So it's going to be so much humidity with the sun always hitting and there's going to be moisture in the air always. And there's going to be vapor in the air always. And clouds are going to be be packed and dense always because the sun is always hitting. And it's just going to be an infinite cycle of rain and rain and rain and rain. Cristina: Okay? Jack: It won't unflood. It will never unflood beyond a certain amount of water. Cristina: Okay? Jack: I'll never unflood unless I'm right. And the earth has gaps underneath in which the wash the water will just go. And what we see as oceans isn't because there's more water beneath them, but rather because that's. That's an area that water can't escape from. If that's the case and everywhere else, water will eventually sink through the ground through, okay. And it might be a really long time before we have what we consider dry. But if that's the case, people in skyscrapers will be fine if they have the resources. People on the boats will probably die because of the storming and crap until the water sinks in. Cristina: What if they're on big, those big, big, big boats? The big. Jack: It depends, right? Because the big. The bigger the boat, the safer by default. It depends on the type of wave too. Really really small boats on really really big waves do fine because it'll unnotably just the wave is so big it doesn't affect the small boat. It would go under it. If you have a really big boat and a really big wave, you're f*****. Cristina: Oh. Jack: If you have a really big boat and many small waves, you're fine. If you have a small boat and many small waves, you're okay. Cristina: If you have a submarine, you're good. Jack: Depends how high the water went. You just need to be below where the waves would affect you. Cristina: So can you like what would not work out? For a summary, if the world is flooded, like what? Jack: No, they could just submarines already in the ocean world floods again. Good. You're fine. Anybody on the submarine is fine. They don't Even notice. Cristina: Okay, they're fine. Jack: Water over them, it's just take longer to get up. There's more pressure. You got to go higher up now. I guess so, because the water level's rising everywhere. Cristina: Well, hopefully they can figure that out. Jack: But I guess flooding could happen. I don't know if it's the most likely or even probably not. Cristina: Probably not at all. Jack: But what else could happen? What other apocalypse could there be? The volcano is pretty badass one. I think that's possibility. But we don't know. That's random chance. And they we would start rebuilding after five years. Cristina: I don't know. Probably that government making something that accidentally. Jack: Leaks out a virus, right? That feels so right. They're gonna be like, no, we're just gonna do a little of it to scare them. Cristina: It 01:00:00 Cristina: happening once makes it feel like, okay, it could happen again. It happened once, man. I made it even the first time. Jack: Dude. I'm sure many of these other diseases and things that have rolled by in the past were the same thing. Cristina: Exactly. People already question a lot of other things of like, was this the government's cancer is probably. Yes, yes. Jack: So probably right. Cristina: So yeah, maybe that's most likely. Jack: It's the government's full of s***, bro. So, yeah, I really, really. I think so too. I specifically think some kind of a viral outbreak, something similar to Covid that we just. That really goes rogue to control. It's. Oh yeah, it's Covid 2.0. We're gonna throw it out there and. Cristina: You know, we got pretty sure there was a cop two and three. Jack: Yeah, whatever. Some Covid chapter two. And they're gonna have like a vaccine or something. They'll be like, no, we. We built vaccine before we threw it out there, so we're good. And then it mutates one step too far and it's like, crap, we don't have a vaccine for where it went. Cristina: So dumb. Jack: And then it's like, oh crap. And anybody who catches it has liver failure by the next day. And it's like, d***, everybody's dying everywhere. It's like, d***, bro. Cristina: Yeah, that's exactly what's go happen. Jack: Yeah, that's what's going to happen. Some crap like that. Cristina: But then. So at the end of the day, the government knows. Jack: I guess it would have to be an apocalypse that was caused by the government. And they know. But afterwards they wouldn't tell us. In the moment, they'll never admit to it. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Because we would revolt. Didn't want that. The whole point was to try to take control. They're going to make us revolt further. They're not going to tell us. Cristina: Okay. Jack: So that's definitely. I do agree. I do it. I think that's the most possible. I don't know what the point of this conversation was. Why were we trying to figure out what was the most likely? Cristina: I thought that was your topic of the day. Jack: No, no, we never got to that. I guess we'll have to do that next time. Cristina: What? You said this was it. Jack: I know, but we had to figure out how the world is going to end. And apparently it's going to be a viral outbreak that the government is going. Cristina: To cause by accident. Ish. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Semi is not really. I don't know. Like, it's not intentional, but they definitely let it happen. Jack: Yeah, I mean, it's like it's. It's basically the argument for 9 11. Right. What that is like, you think they did it? I mean, if they didn't do it, they knew it was gonna happen and they, like, they didn't stop it. Cristina: Okay, yeah, something like that. Jack: You know, it's the argument for 9 11. I mean, I won't say they did it. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: But like. Like they knew they had intel and they could have easily. And they were like, it'll be in our benefit if we let it happen. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: As it goes. Cristina: That's. Yeah, that's it. Jack: I guess just a moment of it'll. Yeah, sure. It'll be in our benefit if it gets out. We'll easily contain it. The scare will be in our benefit now they're scared because most of them died. And they're like, we don't know what to do. Cristina: But that's. That's the thing. That's what happened with COVID I guess, in a way too. Jack: A bunch of them. That's. Cristina: That's it. Jack: So I guess. Cristina: I guess next week we'll find out. Jack: Yeah, next week we'll find out. But at least this week we know that the apocalypse is definitely gonna happen. Cristina: And Noah was exaggerating. Noah's was. Noah's story was exaggerated. Jack: Exaggerated. It does not. It doesn't fit, man. It's crazy. It's impossible. But, yeah, whatever. Anyways, so the next time we'll. We'll definitely get to that stuff and you guys can tell us what. What apocalypse you guys think is going to be the most likely. Just sit down. Cristina: Think about. You think actually knows it, because that was part of it too. Yeah. Jack: If the government isn't the knowing party and somebody. Oh, it was because we were trying to find out if Nostradamus was a predictive genius or something. Not really. But like, if somebody were to to by chance know for a fact, yes, Apocalypse is coming, what would be the most likely scenario? And it would definitely be the government having accidentally made it themselves. Cristina: Yeah. So if you have a different answer to this question, let us know. Jack: Yes. Contact us. Send us a message at. Just convopod on X, on Facebook, on Tick tock, on Instagram, wherever you want. Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show. Jack: Yes. And word of mouth is the most overpowered thing in the world. If you know somebody who has even better answers, tell them to listen to it and get ideas and then tell us. Cristina: Yes. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. S.A. 01:05:00 Cristina: good morning. Good morning whoever dub attempt. The podcast is hosted by Cristina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black. 01:05:29

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May 11, 2024

Rambling 273: Looking for Questions

May 11, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

With so many doors left to open, what is left to discover? The duo continue their unhinged speculation on the existing information with hopes of opening even more doors to continue investigation through. And like last time, the doors want to be opened!!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Elysians
Jesus Christ
Yaldabaoth
Necromancers
Elves
Hermes
Merlin
Queen Mab

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And you and I, for the last however many episodes, I've been going down an infinite rabbit hole that doesn't seem to have an ending. And last week, you and I decided to look at it differently. And instead of looking for new information, we would just, without even looking at the notes, talk about what we know and extrapolate new angles to approach. Great idea.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It led to a lot of places. In fact, I found a couple of interesting things that are great, but I would like to, instead of going over that stuff, do this process again and continue to pick at whatever we haven't addressed so that there's more direction to go. And if we hit a wall, I have in front of me the beginning of what we've already found.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah. It's a specific story which will spiral into infinity, into. We have no more time. So that's perfectly fine. So I would like to just dive into what we do know, what we didn't talk about, whatever we didn't address last time.

Cristina: Where did we stop?

Jack: Well, we talked a little bit of everything. I remember we addressed Hermes. We talked about the Elysians. We were trying to figure out, like, what's the ultimate goal. They're trying to go down, not up, possibly. That seemed to be kind of like the culmination of everything was kind of focusing on that idea. Yeah, but there's a lot of parts here that we don't understand who they are or what their purpose is within the bigger scheme of things.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We think of, like, MAB programmer, but purely programmer. Why do we know about you at all? Why do we, you know, the interaction relative to mabs somehow. Why, you know, that's a good question. I don't know things like that. There's this curious kind of, like, easy to miss because it's something they wouldn't even have thought about bringing up. That is filler information for them because they contextually know it. But we don't have context. We only have the writing that. That is our 100% context. So what? The context that existed for them that they thought was irrelevant because it was just casual knowledge to us, needs to be written, and they didn't. So we have to extrapolate it. Right. And then that would guide us to the sentences that kind of indirectly together. Tell us the narrative on map or anything. On anything.

Cristina: Because I know. What do we know about map? I don't know.

Jack: We don't know crap about map. But the problem is we also don't have angles to go find things on mab. Yeah, if we had angles, which presumably is what we would be achieving here. If we had angles, if we found some thought we could follow, then that would take us there.

Cristina: I have no idea how to think of something that connects to her besides like she made everything. That's all we know. Yeah, there's no characters or anything. Not characters, but like people related to her that exists here.

Jack: The characters that exist here that she. Elves that gets sent to. But I don't even know how that works.

Cristina: No.

Jack: You know, I have no idea how elves fit into the bigger scheme of things other than they stop civilizations from getting too powerful.

Cristina: Is that even true? Is that even true? Like who have they tried that with?

Jack: We would need examples. Right, because that's what they say. But then what is the example?

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So you can't just tell us this is their purpose and then not have a single example.

Cristina: So unless they're the reasons why. When. What was it Lucifer was trying to give other countries?

Jack: Oh, you see, this is what we need to speculate on. So your theory would be that if somehow we could find an event that fit their work, perhaps these other civilized. But no, they would be whack or lower grade civilizations.

Cristina: The ones that fail that we know that they are.

Jack: That's what I mean. They would be keeping in check the ones who aren't failing.

Cristina: But I don't know if they're keeping track of anything. As far as I can tell, they're not doing anything.

Jack: Unless. Unless you're thinking of this the wrong way. All of the structures along the Weird fact. Weird fact. I don't know how the h*** we didn't come across this before I read this. I remember reading this. This was in the notes and we briefly actually talked about this, but we didn't think about it. I guess all of the structures on the old equator although built at random different times. None of the civilizations that built them were around the old equator. They traveled to build the thing.

Cristina: I don't understand what.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. All of the old. The objects on the old equator aren't from like the people who made it, brought the things there from wherever. Each group of people, every instance, almost every instance, in a few rare instances, they actually already lived within the proximity and then they just built it within them. But the Others migrated the things and built the thing, meaning the thing we find. Their structure we find on the old equator is way newer than their civilization as a whole. So we see this building that looks like. Well, can't, because this was just kind of recently made as opposed to, like, these civilizations. It doesn't look advanced. That's an ancient crappy building. It doesn't have the sophistication of the ones we know went further. Maybe they have always been being kept in check. And when we hear about 300 years ago from Beast. From the time of Jesus, 300 years back, weirdly enough, they kind of show up around the time of Alexander the Great and the. Oh, my God.

Cristina: I don't see anything.

Jack: No, look, okay. Dates matter here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Weird things that have just happened in my mind. We know that the elves show up around 300 BC. That's preemptively right before Jesus. Right. They knew something was kind of up.

Cristina: Okay, but we were.

Jack: When we shared that information, we were too focused on Jesus and we lacked a lot of information because of the next sentence. 300 years ago was Alexander the Great time. 300 years ago from the time of Jesus. Specifically, we're always looking back. I'm saying 300 years back from Jesus. 300 years BC if I'm Jesus. Okay, so 300 years back from me, Jesus, Hermes was walking around the school where Aristotle. Okay, that literally coincides with. With the mention we're aware of of the elves.

Cristina: How does that relate?

Jack: Because Hermes, the op necromancer, who can do a bunch of crap, presumably is now at this time teaching Alexander, even if he's a flunky. And then we get elves. Elves were there because Hermes was teaching somebody who potentially could have.

Cristina: Elves popped up because of Hermes.

Jack: Well, they show up at the same time. We're theorizing. I don't know. This is all speculation, but, like, because.

Cristina: They sort of knew someone.

Jack: Yeah. Something was about to happen. They saw something because Hermes. The mention of Hermes we get is 300 years bc and then the mention of elves we get is 300 years bc coincidence. Could totally be. Again, we're just throwing information in random directions now. We all.

Cristina: We already know when exactly they got here and what exactly they're looking at.

Jack: Yeah, we don't know exactly. Exactly. I think it's possible that it doesn't make sense that she would just create this troop suddenly.

Cristina: Mm. There had to be a reason for it.

Jack: Yeah. Unless they've always existed. And this is just the first mention we have proof of. Do you get my Point like maybe there's further back mentions of fairies being deployed. The problem is getting anything from Elfame is hard. We usually it's written by somebody from the shadow realm who is in earthrealm. The odds of it.

Cristina: That's tricky. Mm.

Jack: Mm. How many Hermes do we have? One problem. There's few people who have the no to tell me something from the other side.

Cristina: So you think she was interested in Hermes or people like Hermes?

Jack: I don't think she was interested. I think that's the fear.

Cristina: That's the fear of the fairies.

Jack: Especially if that is in fact just another layer. If Mab, as the quote, programmer, unquote, is herself within another layer of the quote, program, unquote, then her biggest issue would be any of us who could figure that s*** out.

Cristina: It's the AI becoming sentient, taking over 100%.

Jack: And in the case that she is also a layer instead of base reality, us getting out is horrifying because that just means we're really just there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We don't. I don't need to enter physical space. You're just another part of the program. I could get to you physically. And if I know that, and I know how to migrate from my side to yours potentially, I know how to control the physical structure of your side because I had to to get there. Oh, that's a problem. That's literally what a necromancer does.

Cristina: Yes, that's exactly.

Jack: Oh, s***.

Cristina: I can see them being a problem.

Jack: Yeah, I can see that being a true issue. Yes. Yep. So that's definitely a thing. It looks like a necromancer could definitely be an issue. Specially special. Especially. Especially. Especially in the case of Map just being another layer. Yes, because then you'd be f*****.

Cristina: I don't know. I mean, I guess it makes sense because we were worried about the same thing.

Jack: The argument would be that even if she's within a layer, everything within her layer was made of the technology she uses. And if the technology she uses learns how to manip. How to escape, then it can control all the other technologies because presumably they're used within the same sophistication.

Cristina: But.

Jack: Or like, you know, so it could just. It would be. It would be apocalyptic, realistically speaking. So while we were thinking G. I mean, Jesus himself could be that too.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because of the human factor that seems necessary to accomplish necromance.

Cristina: I still don't understand why the. Because shadow people cannot do that. But they are closer or they're not. There's.

Jack: I don't understand. I don't. I Don't get it either. There's something weird there, something interesting about Elfame that is different. And I would. And I've tried different, like, analogies in my head. If you think of, like, how difficult it would be to try to send your friend a message from, like, WhatsApp to Facebook, even if they're literally within the same ecosystem, minus the fact that they added that feature recently.

Cristina: How do you do that?

Jack: Yeah, how do you. It's the same thing.

Cristina: How about Facebook and Twitter?

Jack: Facebook and Twitter, a better example. Yeah, same idea. They're both on the Internet.

Cristina: But how do you get a message?

Jack: How do you get a message across from one side to another? It's probably a realistic way to do it, but it's probably really tricky and has a ridiculous number of steps you got to do. But if you did it enough, you would eventually learn shortcuts from what is already there and understand why this works with that and be able to, oh, middleman that s*** out of the way.

Cristina: Just get from any website, from a.

Jack: Website to send a message to any website from any other website. Weird, right? Seems wrong, but it should be possible. You should be able to send an inbox from Facebook to Twitter. And I bet somebody can. I bet somebody out of boredom figured out the nuance of getting a Facebook message on Facebook to register on Twitter just for s**** and giggles and to see if they can, because it's probably not that hard.

Cristina: It sounds really complicated.

Jack: Well, it could be really annoying. It could be like you have to install something on or not even install something. So you send a message with something encrypted in the message that's being read off of the computer or something, and then you have the receiving encryption or. I don't even know, because what, you'd send the message through Facebook. The message would be registered through the Facebook algorithm. Then you'd have to hack the idea. Have to hack Facebook in order to then get the message. You'd have to hack both and just create a link, essentially. Man, I wonder if somebody could figure this out. Is there any listener we have that can figure out how to legitimately send a inbox from Facebook and make it land on Twitter and it be a logical set of steps. That would be amazing. I'm sure it's possible, although incredibly complicated, because ultimately what a website is, is a bunch of walls around the Internet.

Cristina: Yes. You think that's how this is though, too?

Jack: I think that's exactly how this is. I think it's just a bunch of walls around the Internet now there's more Internet outside of the walls, but this is just a bunch of walls and there are many series of walls. It's flat earth. There's the idea of flat earth. Oh, we're in. Encapsulated in this ice wall. But there's more Earth outside the ice wall.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's the ultimate reality. Or it seems to be.

Cristina: It seems to be.

Jack: Seems to be the case. Which weirdly enough, I guess that kind of fits with what Flat Earth is saying. But weirdly enough, that kind of fits with what science says. When you consider the fact that we're like our observable universe. Well, there might be more outside of that. That's just the barrier that we have. And it's not like a real barrier that we can't cross, but as opposed to the walls around us at the moment, based on the rules that make what we're at.

Cristina: I don't know. Like she. But are they trying to do that where they're at? I guess as fairy people. Can they go up to whatever the reality is?

Jack: I mean, the argument would be that as above, so below is accurate as f***. Everybody's trying the same s***. Maybe.

Cristina: But why is it so complicated for the shadow people to do it but not for a human to do it?

Jack: I don't know that part. I have no idea. That's weird, right? Unless there's something specific about the shadow realm. Maybe that is itself an old program, as opposed to earthrealm, which is just a newer, more sophisticated program, so it's easier. And then the case of Yaldabaoth is he's trying to kind of figure out how to do it. The sophisticated program is doing. So it's a case of this dark ancient thing that wants to escape into the new world.

Cristina: Probably has escaped and I don't know. I wish we knew something. But is he still there? I don't think so.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Unless that's not the goal. That's. The goal isn't to go out.

Jack: Unless the goal isn't to go out. I don't know.

Cristina: I don't know. Because with. When it comes to Hermes, it doesn't seem like that's the only goal. That may be a goal. It's not the goal.

Jack: What would you say are. What would you say seems like another.

Cristina: Goal besides making your own place?

Jack: Yeah. Do you think his. Yeah, I guess it does kind of make sense. The goal would be to like.

Cristina: I think it would be everything.

Jack: But no. Yeah, it's because I think you're right. It's like sure, go up. Whatever dude. But like maybe it is harder to go down. Look at it like this. As far as space is, it's even easier to look in that direction than it is to look down. Yes, you see the problem? It immediately becomes so complicated when we get small. Far, fine. Big fine, it has a cutoff point. But fine, it's just reaching it. Distance is the issue. But far. And big, not a problem. But small, regardless of how close you can get, so small you make it impossible to understand. And in order to build a universe, it's not about going out into an existing s***** thing. It's about understanding how the f*** small works. Which weirdly enough, I would argue we see an expert at it. Even if he's not a boss at a bunch of other s***. He is. He has a clever plan in motion and he seems to understand particle science really hard. Who are you talking about, Nicholas?

Cristina: Because he can, Santa.

Jack: He can turn himself into some sort of non physical form form actively in physical space. That is understanding and actively violating what we consider to be the rules. But according to the Hermetica and the seven hermetic principles is absolutely fair within it. And weirdly enough, the quantum theory suggests that that kind of works too. We should be able to build technology that allows us to become or to teleport. That is not wrong. It's not against science. It does fit within.

Cristina: We can do it.

Jack: Yeah. Science says that functions and that that works.

Cristina: Do you think he can do it?

Jack: I think he gets it really well. I think he understands it really well.

Cristina: Mm

Jack: He could turn into a cloud.

Cristina: He could turn into a cloud. I don't remember.

Jack: But he could like go down the chimney. Which presumably means he's not really going down the chimney.

Cristina: But we have no hint to what his actual goals are.

Jack: He doesn't seem like he has a goal. It looks like that guy's just like living the life chillin.

Cristina: But is there something else again?

Jack: Yeah, exactly.

Cristina: Like there has to be. Like there has to be. Who just that's filling fulfilling for them for the whole. Their whole life is just giving children presents.

Jack: That Naga that went and settled in Australia just for s**** and giggles and to call itself a God.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like it happens once in a while.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They just go and do nothing. Like he wins. Everybody knows who the f*** he is, I guess.

Cristina: But why isn't he like the others that are all so science y?

Jack: Because there has to be a little of everything and we're just focusing on those.

Jack: There's probably a Crap ton of stories unrelated to. Actually, interesting enough, there's probably a crap ton of stories unrelated to any of this. Now that we have the eyes to go find just weird side narratives that don't matter within the actual realm of what we're talking about.

Cristina: Look for what type of side stories?

Jack: Just random unrelated characters that have no consequence in the bigger overall picture. That still there's things about that now we know how to. Now we know how to undo translation errors. We know how to look backwards in time and find original text and then make them the original intended. Not just word, but the meaning behind the word based on what the person who wrote its original language is. Think about that. If your native language is Greek, then regardless of what language you wrote it in, imma find out what you think that word means in Greek, and then that informs me on what you are most likely to think you mean when you turn it into Latin. Even if you turn it into Latin and it was the first time you wrote it in Latin, knowing what language you spoke first tells me a lot about how you'd think of the word you're putting there for the context.

Cristina: Complicated.

Jack: Exactly. But now we have all these tools and we can do that. And because of that, I can find random s*** that doesn't have any consequence. But now we can enter the. You know, the filler episodes of Supernatural that sometimes turn out to be the best ones when it's like, oh, man, they're just hunting vampires today. And that's cool. And it's like, I missed these. It was like, all apocalyptic for, like, three seasons straight. And now we're just chasing a werewolf or a ghost. Cool, man. Like the good old days.

Cristina: Some side character does the actual important thing of the. Yeah, my story's still happening. It's just. They're not involved in it.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, like, Bobby calls him up and is. I got the lead.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: At the end of the episode. Or it was Bobby. Or Castiel shows up and like, yo, I got the information.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: You guys. You guys did the thing you were doing. Cool. Okay. This is the next step. And it's like, yeah, okay. We could jump into that part of our lives now where we, like, go hunt these side stories of dumb s***.

Cristina: Okay. Until someone comes with the envelope that's like, here's the important lead.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Because think about it. We already have enough tools to really. We can even revisit some things with really informed eyes and look at something like werewolves. We could actually find the mentions of actual werewolves. Wet chudges and Wendigo's across the board that exists. And what's the other one? Lycan, that all exist and aren't even under any of those names. Because we would know exactly what their behavior would be like, what the conditions for them to be around would be. We could track anything down at this point. We're experts in this weird esoteric.

Cristina: Okay, but what would be revisiting? We'd be revisiting these things to learn more information.

Jack: We can. It could definitely inform us in a lot. Especially considering the path of a lot of these stories that we originally went on, these ventures with came from, like, everyday narratives and news articles that were reporting on these events and the characteristics of them. Think of the Countess that literally was just. She was literally just getting adrenochrome, just milking adrenochrome from a bunch of young girls. She would hire 15 year olds to be her maids and then kill them and bathe in her blood and drink it and cover herself in it. And just like, she f****** knew. But now we gotta ask, where'd the Countess get her information? Is it like, we know elites, but why do elites come across it? What information source are they connected to?

Cristina: How could we find that, though?

Jack: How could we find that? You know, those are the paths we should be finding.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There are roads for days. We are armed like no one.

Cristina: Mm. I think we could do that.

Jack: Mm. For days. For days. There's anywhere we could go? We can make this current as f***. We have too many tools. We can't be tricked anymore.

Cristina: I would love to do vampires, though.

Jack: Be interesting to find some vampires.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. No, werewolves are actually better. Never mind. Their stories are so wild. Like, we have to make them make sense. It's just too wild.

Jack: Yeah. And here's really weird fact, right? Because the origination of a man becoming a werewolf, like, a werewolf is not a werewolf, man. Not the way that we put it in movies and s***.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Like, it's not a dude. A dude doesn't become a wolf. That's not how it works.

Cristina: Well, sometimes with wolf clothing.

Jack: Yes. But that's exactly my point, because that leads into. We had a whole episode about this where we were talking about the mythology of werewolves and the fact that it originally was just people, ignorant people watching tribal behavior and not understanding what was happening. And it's like they're covered in the fur because it gets f****** cold, bro. And, like, they probably killed the wolf to stay alive. And, like, they're not gonna waste it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So they have that and Then you attack one of theirs. And then one of these guys comes and attacks you. Chases you through the woods. He's making crazy noises behind you. Because they're used to making crazy noises to scare people these times. You make it through the woods, you swear to God you were being chased by a half man, half wolf. But he was just wearing a wolf. And that's not normal to you.

Cristina: You should do that.

Jack: We can revisit so many things and with all hopes I can inform more. Just continue to deep dive into this weird world. I love those episodes. Really pack unpacking things. But I'm sure there's way more things too. I'm curious to see what creatures we can find that are connected to mentions of Elfame.

Cristina: That would be interesting.

Jack: Yeah. They aren't normally along the lines of traditional fairies, but still within the definitions we found and the other ways we found that people refer to Alfame because.

Cristina: We'Ve done some research on fairies and types of fairies.

Jack: But it's also like the common seemed.

Cristina: Related, but maybe they are related. I just don't know.

Jack: Yeah, they seem like random one off things, right?

Cristina: Yeah. And zombies.

Jack: Zombies.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. But those are states of humans. Because a zombie is just a human who stopped taking adrenochrome.

Cristina: I guess there's nothing really there.

Jack: Yeah. And then we used to think people would become jinn on the other side. But then we found out jinn are just jinn on the other side. Jinnah's have always. They're just people.

Cristina: They're those people.

Jack: Yes. What the f***? I actually don't know what the h*** happened to a human on the other side. I guess that's a ghost actually.

Cristina: Ghost? I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, that's actually the ghost, right. A spirit. As far as we know. It's like this person that goes to the other side and is a twisted. Well there's two versions of it. I guess what we call a demon.

Cristina: But with necromancers they can time travel.

Jack: That's weird, right? Because it doesn't seem to. I don't see a specific mention of time travel. As opposed to the ability to completely halt or slow down time until it seems like a halt.

Cristina: Well like what example would that like I need an example of that. That doesn't sound like anything.

Jack: St. Nicholas and his way of moving through physically the entire planet is described as an activity that he is actively moving from place to place. But successfully accomplishing it and visiting millions of houses.

Cristina: That's not travel. Time traveling though I would I mean.

Jack: We'Re always time traveling.

Cristina: He's.

Jack: The argument here is he's slowing time down or moving way quicker.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So, like, he's not leaping forward in time at his speed. He's still experiencing every moment in time. Still. He didn't exit experiencing time and re. Enter continuity somewhere else. Which would be time travel. In my eyes. My eyes is in time travel is. I stand here.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And I will change the continuity around me. I'm leaving physical space to move time and then reentering at a different point in time. Even if in the same point in space, a different point in time. I was not present while change occurred. While he is not doing that, he is present while change is occurring. He's just moving either so fast he's not perceiving change or time is paused so there's no change to perceive. But still he's within the space where he would perceive the time if time was moving forward as opposed to exiting. And then time moves and then you re. Enter. I don't think he time travels.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think the closest thing to that is slowing down time. I guess so.

Cristina: Then none of them would have that power.

Jack: We don't. Okay. The Merlin gets mucky. I know that. Definitely not Patrick. Santa. We have that example. And for Merlin we have a weird one. Because it's unclear whether he has the ability to at least send messages back in time to alter this existing narrative for a guy who already exists. Or if through some means he's continuously altering Arthur's perception of reality. Which is possible considering his entire structure was to be manipulated because of what he is though. Exactly. So it's complicated to tell do that to us.

Cristina: Maybe.

Jack: Unless he was reaching back in time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If he's read that. That's the problem. Because Arthur was particularly designed to be manipulated. The stories Arthur told seeming continuous and coherent could just be brainwashing. And don't need to include him traveling back in time and altering it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: For it to stay consistent. Because he just needs to convince Arthur and anybody who's receiving the story that's it. So it's kind of easy as long as that idiot. Just like. Because his whole point is he's dumb and he's gonna believe it. That's the whole point.

Cristina: Yeah. Man. I wish we had more fairy stories because that did end up relating to a fairy.

Jack: We found lady of the Lake.

Cristina: Yes. But there's gotta be more like her.

Jack: There's gotta be more like her. She's just chilling down here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like, she easily dealt with the issue.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that's interesting. There are instances of even necromancers getting handled. That's interesting. Wait a minute. We forget this, but he's not an op necromancer. I would say he's bottom tier. And that Hermes is the. He's the business, right?

Cristina: Hermes is the business.

Jack: He's. He's the top dog.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: I mean, Process is named after him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So he's the granddaddy. And like Merlin's just whack.

Cristina: Well, we don't know if he really died. Died in the story. He's dead.

Jack: Yes. But also, he could have just dipped. It could have just been like this. S***. I don't know.

Cristina: Yeah, I think so. But there's got to be more stories like that. Yeah. How we stumbled upon that. Oh, because of the weapon. I think it was mostly because it.

Jack: Was because of the weapon we landed at him. Because of the fragrant.

Cristina: Yes, but we gotta find more fairies like that.

Jack: And additionally, fairy weapons will always lead us to the fairy that made them. Bam.

Cristina: But you already looked at all the fairy weapons or you just looked at a few fairy weapons.

Jack: We looked at a few. Few fairy weapons. There's probably many, many insignia. I looked at fairy weapons that I could cross reference with the events that we needed. But there are many other fairy weapons that aren't related to anything which would still at least link us to a fairy. If you wanted fairy stories like this, perhaps you could find fairies, even if they're not related. Like the lady of the Lake and Merlin are a circumstance that's almost unrelated to anything else. Just a standing circumstance. Minus the fact that Merlin seems to fit the bill for necromancer.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And minus the fact that these individuals still had connections to Patrick and Mananan.

Cristina: That was weird. Like they can all end up like that. We have no idea until we actually look them up.

Jack: Yeah, exactly.

Cristina: It might be random. They might at first glance look random.

Jack: I mean, bro, it happened with the Mayans. We were just casually looking at the Mayans and found the Egyptian texts we were already looking for. I mean, we'd already found. We found the Egyptian text we'd already found in Maya. Like that's weird.

Cristina: About the sea people.

Jack: About the sea people. Which is a slur. The Elysians.

Cristina: Oh, yes, the Elysians. I don't know how to say their name. I don't know.

Jack: Or the Atlanteans.

Cristina: Okay, the Atlanteans. Yes.

Jack: Yeah, it works.

Cristina: Let's do that.

Jack: Because the sea people is the slur that the Greeks would call the Atlanteans stupid sea people. Fish, you dumb fish looking mother.

Cristina: I wish we could find those slurs. If there's like something like that out.

Jack: There, I bet there's more. If sea people exist and as a name, then for sure there was more. Yeah, it sounds so dumb to us sea people, but like, I bet it was like a crazy f*** you in that time, right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Like this scummy piece of s***. You know, some s*** like that. Like some. Like calling somebody a c****, you know, it's probably something. It was offensive like that. And we're like, sea people. And they were like, oh, my God, Mom. I was walking to school today and they call me a C person.

Cristina: I wish you can actually know what their life was, what their normal life is like.

Jack: It's crazy. We got nothing from inside that s***. We had nothing from inside. I to this. I would argue that's actually way more secretive than Hermes. The inside of an Elysian stronghold.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I got nothing. We've never, not once. Everything has been written by somebody from the outside.

Cristina: There's gotta be something. I don't know. That's something.

Jack: That's something to look at for sure.

Cristina: If possible. Maybe not their main location, but they have other locations. They have to, I think.

Jack: I mean, we did find one. They already proved the capacity to move, at least within the time span of a year. An entire civilization. So definitely they can build homes quickly. Unless that project was under construction for a long time and this was just time to execute it. That's interesting. That could have been being developed for God knows how long. And they were like, this is the time. Whether done or not, where.

Cristina: And how would they have known that? They're predicting him before.

Jack: No, maybe it was just being built. Maybe they were just building another place and they're like, f***, that was going to be for us to spread out. But like, f***, this place.

Cristina: Now we got to go.

Jack: Yeah, we'll be cramped over there. And maybe they just keep expanding from down there. The place allows them to expand way more than being underneath the Persian Gulf oasis.

Cristina: Yeah, but how hard is building under there?

Jack: Presumably with the level of their technology, incredibly easily, I guess. But that being said again, they do have at least where Mananan was settled and then the home they were building on the neighboring island while they stayed there. So that's two different locations that they were at least spread to. Even if they abandoned one and gave it back to the people they went to the other place. That's a second for a fact. Entire Establishment that they at least had. I don't know if they have especially because it can't be seen as a literal description of it. That they cloaked the out of it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which like this is million thing that they've proven to be able to cloak.

Cristina: They're cloaking.

Jack: Weird, right? Any mention of the Elysians by any group of people for long enough time leads us back to they cloaked something. And it doesn't matter. We found it through the Celtics, we found it through the Christian, we found it through the Greek. They all agree these people legitimately had stealth technology. They hit a mountain. The Indian said that.

Cristina: Can we learn how? What exactly is this cloaking and technology?

Jack: Interesting, right? Because it's definitely. Everybody's like, bro, they made the thing disappear. And it's like, okay, you guys said that but okay, we've heard this before but d***. You guys also said that and you guys didn't even know these over here. And you guys are on the other side of Earth. There's no way you guys knew anybody.

Cristina: No. And everyone says that.

Jack: Yeah. But all you guys are like, no, they may this they roll up and just make vanish. It's like, whoa, how. And I'm sure, I am sure that now thinking about it, there's a bunch of mentions of gods taking people to heaven or to h*** directly, even if they don't die. And there's mentions of abductions. Abductions which all fit the f****** s*** going in.

Cristina: Wait for that. I've been waiting. There has to be. I don't know how it relates. I don't know what they'd want with us. But they have to.

Jack: They have to. I mean, they've always been experimenting with us.

Cristina: Exactly. Yes.

Jack: Why would it change now?

Cristina: But what would. Like we don't have any idea of why or what they're doing. Like anything anyone said has been wrong because they don't understand what they're. They want.

Jack: I mean, yeah, nobody comes back with information relative to that. It's really weird.

Cristina: I don't think so. I don't think they have any idea. They just make things up because like what can you do?

Jack: Yeah, it's theories. It's theories with nothing solid. But this definitely looks like it's possible of. It's a possibility that this link somehow to abductions because just things going missing that's mentioned almost by everybody who discusses. But the problem is, to be fair, not one of these mentions was of a person. Every single one was of a structure of exaggerated proportion.

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: I guess like nothing Was a person. It was their people.

Cristina: Their people disappeared.

Jack: Fair. And so did they.

Cristina: Knew they were there in the sea, and then boom. They're not in the sea anymore.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. They evacuate and there's remnants of where they were, but without a trace. Somehow all of them left. Yeah. And that's interesting. How did they all leave and not get seen or followed? That's a really interesting point. Because we're like, okay, you guys took a year and you guys all moved. But okay, even if you guys have flying technology or whatever, the f***, nobody sees you. No.

Cristina: How.

Jack: How you traveled from where the f*** to where the f*** and nobody saw you.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Oh, s***. That's crazy. Yeah, 100%. The entire time you were over land. Somebody must have seen. On the flip side, maybe people have seen it. We can find. Well, we saw bunch of people fly by.

Cristina: Or that'd be a crazy story. We have to find it. If that's the thing. Gotta find it.

Jack: Just need to find somewhere in the Middle East a story of a bunch of people shooting across the sky or a bunch of gods shooting across the sky or something. Relative to that, I hope so, you know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: That is interesting. If that Moses story was based on that.

Jack: Him spreading the water.

Cristina: Yeah. Like maybe that's what they saw.

Jack: But nobody went invisible there.

Cristina: No, but they left. They would cross the sea from.

Jack: Oh, I see what you mean. Oh, s***. Wait a minute. Also, additionally, let's point out the fact that water was used to quite colossal effect. Two terms here.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: The flood and Moses splitting the ocean. Okay, this is an interesting point and weirdly specific that you can part the ocean and I never thought about that before.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Assuming that the parting of the ocean isn't. I literally have magic and I have an energy or a God energy field separating it. You have a bubble somehow sustained.

Cristina: Oh, there's three stories. Can we count? Jesus walking on water is the thing. It's water related. I don't know.

Jack: But that's not necessarily him. But that's weird too, right? That's weird. Would we say Moses was Moses an Elysium? Because Jesus was at least half Elysium.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And Moses might or might not be an Elysian, but Moses parted. But on the flip side. No, no, no, no, no. He was human. And I can tell you a really important reason he was human.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because he parted the seas with a staff he had given to him by. Say it out loud. By Jehovah. The staff he had, he hit, and when he hit, it parted. That sounds like he had technology. He was just told to do it and it would work.

Cristina: Sea people technology.

Jack: That sounds like sea people technology.

Cristina: So he's a sea person.

Jack: No, he was given it by Jehovah is the literal story.

Cristina: But that's the story part of the story.

Jack: Yeah. No, he was given the tool by Jehovah and told to have faith, walk up to the ocean, have faith. He doesn't know what's about to happen.

Cristina: He doesn't get.

Jack: Walk up to the ocean and have faith. And as you walk, pierce the ocean with your staff. And so he does doom. And then I've.

Cristina: He's not a necromancer, though.

Jack: He's not an.

Cristina: Because he does other weird stuff too, if you think about it.

Jack: No, I'm gonna tell you right now that you're totally right. And Moses did a few weird things.

Cristina: Not just part the staff.

Jack: Well, no, I mean part the sea. I have to go back. He's not a sea person. He is a human because he is, in fact a necromancer. Because I was just reminded right now that Moses also went by another name, which was Hermes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Christians kept calling him Moses, but he had gone by Hermes before. That's Hermes. That's Hermes, yeah.

Cristina: Because he, like, I think he made it rain bread or something. I don't remember.

Jack: He was doing crazy s***.

Cristina: No, he's doing things. He had a staff.

Jack: He was. Yeah, he was. It was fets. He fit the bill. Yeah, it was him. It was him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't know why I forgot. I don't know. I forgot.

Cristina: Totally forgot.

Jack: But yeah, but, yeah, no, he totally, totally. So that was op technologies that might have even been superior.

Cristina: So does that relate to the sea people? Was he part of the staff for them? Or should we find. Still find a different story? That.

Jack: D***. But that's story still has him being given the staff and being told, go pierce the ocean with it. And like, he seemed like he didn't know. On the flip side, this is in the Christian Bible that likes to rewrite.

Cristina: Exactly. You can't trust it.

Jack: That's what you meant, the story of the story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're covering it so that he just seems like everything is about God and not about this guy because you can't have him be better than God. I see what you mean. 100%, yes. So that might have just been a nothing situation because it's just Hermes being okay, that's not getting us closer to the Alicians by any means as far.

Cristina: So you don't think he was doing that for them?

Jack: No. Who the h*** are those people? Unless. When did this happen?

Cristina: I don't know. A long time ago.

Jack: It depends on the timing of this. Because the other. I guess it doesn't. The other issue really comes down to the fact that the timing of a lot of this is obscured. And some things we think are far apart and happen together and some things we think happened together and happened far apart. And that's kind of weird. No, Campy looking at it now. Moses took place around a third, 300 to a thousand 400 years before Christ.

Cristina: And when did the sea people leave the sea?

Jack: They happened year one.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah. That doesn't.

Jack: That's quite the gap.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we literally just have a story of. But no, this is my point. This is my point, actually. This, this connects to what I was saying before. Maybe this was being built for a really long time underwater. Takes a while. Maybe thousands of years.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or maybe not thousands of years. Maybe there were already people living there and it was a huge metropolis. But the sea people were like, no, this is the capital up here. But once they're discovered, it's like, f*** this place. And we're gonna go where nobody can find us because nobody has ever found those people either. And the story of Moses is essentially a slip up, which we know now is being covered up because it's like, no, he literally. I remember he went by Hermes. And I'm telling me that he relied on God for this. That doesn't check out because we know that Jehovah relied on Hermes.

Cristina: So what do you think he was doing?

Jack: He was actually leading some people to maybe a primitive version of Atlantis. It might have just been settlements at that point. And he was like, these people need somewhere to stay and I know I can get them there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Mm

Jack: It's right into the ocean. They walked for a while. It was 40 years or some s***.

Cristina: No, he sat on a Mountain for 40 years.

Jack: No, I also think he walked the. I think they were lost for 40 years.

Cristina: Oh, man. I don't know the story.

Jack: No. Okay, okay, this is interesting. It said it was about seven days walking. Lost.

Cristina: Lost. Okay.

Jack: I would argue.

Cristina: No, you argue no to what?

Jack: To the lost part. Okay, hear me out. What if you're right and there are other locations where they are. Hear me out further. What if the title Sea people isn't because of the Persian Gulf, but rather the Red Sea? The Red Sea, where they know they are but don't know where because they always come from there. Because that's where Moses took these people.

Cristina: Interesting, interesting. Did they come from.

Jack: They were in Egypt.

Cristina: Okay, I see what.

Jack: And keep in mind we're talking at a time when the Egyptians are already cooperating. So there is corruption Egyptian humans. And there are collaborative Egyptians who might want to save some people. And then you got an op dude you can just reach out to when you need the problem fixer. As we literally read that they rely on the necromancers. Jehovah relies on Patrick, not the other way around. Jehovah relies on Hermes, not the other way around. That's what the texts say.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So. Hey guy who fixes our problems, can you escort? We know you can get them all there safely.

Cristina: Mm, I think so. That's so weird.

Jack: Which would suggest multiple settlements.

Cristina: Yes. So do you think it started at the Red Sea then originally or.

Jack: I think we gotta find out if the Persian Gulf is the most recent name. And that backwards. It doesn't translate to something C. If it does, it could be because of the Persian Gulf, just with an older name that had the A word in some language that was C. Presumably in Greek possibly.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. Like that idea.

Jack: You know, it's just about unpacking and deconstructing. It's easy to remove the.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: By just checking. It's like was it this? Okay. Then they.

Cristina: How much could we learn from the sea people through the Bible?

Jack: Mentions of sea people in the Bible literally addressed as sea people. It happens once now addressed in different names relative. I can find you maybe 15 to 20 different that I'm familiar with. Usually addressing the sea people as the Persians, but an exclusive elite group of Persians always mentioned as the Persian leaders who never spend time with the Persians or the Persian elite troop or the Persian. This. It's just never part of the normal population. They always distinct them. They're Persian but that other non dispersion. And they're always neutral party. They're always neutral party. They're never a problem. The Persian problem. That other group of elite Persian. No, those are the people that in the Bible they'll casually interact with. Ones like have a conversation with as opposed to the persons they go to war with. And it's like that's a weird group of people. Yeah. Essentially all the same people named the same. But they make. Yeah, they make it the point to be like these are elevated, these are higher. It's just words that do that. They're like high status words, important man or man of honor or just things that translate to that kind of stuff.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's like Persian of honor or Persian of this or Persian of that. It's like, but you hate the Persians. Yes, Those guys suck. And it's like, but these guys. No, those aren't those guys. It's like, what the f***?

Cristina: They're just saying, okay, I guess that makes sense.

Jack: Yeah. So that I can find you a bunch of those. There's so many.

Cristina: Okay. But there's so much to look at. There's so much to look at.

Jack: Yeah. But the Bible is the least reliable source on the Persians because it's done on the Elysians, particularly because it's actively trying to change the narrative while a lot of other people don't give a f*** about the narrative.

Cristina: But they probably have the most information on necromancers that we know.

Jack: Yes, yes, totally. Because they have the closest relationship with them as far as we know. At least they're closest connected to the pyramid that touches all the necessary parts to have necromancers. So it's the easiest way to find necromancer action.

Cristina: Mm. Gotta be something there. Yeah.

Jack: So there's a million points here we can come from.

Cristina: I don't know whether to start.

Jack: But you see, I like it because just talking about it, we've come up with a thousand new things.

Cristina: Okay, but you know where to go from here, though.

Jack: I mean, we got a million places we can look into seeing about the intention of these necromancers. There's still more to going down. But we can also try to find out events of, like, what possible technology was being used in the moment of separating the sea. Why is the use of water so op at this point to sound like waterbenders, but it's like, you're totally right. Every instance relative to them has it. So at least technology that's useful for people to navigate relative to them. And which makes sense if you're going underwater, that you would have somebody or you yourself also know how maybe actually fun fact or not fun fact, but, like, logical fact would be that maybe Hermes, in fact did not know how to do this himself. Because maybe this technology is done in a special kind of secrecy. Maybe he has his own way to do it. But here he can move all these people. So it's like that. Because the story still says that he wasn't aware of how it works. He just goes into the ocean, does it? So maybe it was actual Elysian technology. New something new. A new toy. Hey, homie, you won't believe what I came up with. I need a favor, though. Some people got across the thing. I need you to get them to the village.

Cristina: You know, like last time he becomes a necromancer.

Jack: No, I think he's already a necromancer, but I think he's using or testing out some other tech. Maybe he could have done that himself, but maybe he's just using the staff to help test the technology.

Cristina: That's sea people technology.

Jack: The Elysian technology.

Cristina: Okay, I guess I'm just thinking like.

Jack: Different ways that we can justify him both being a necromancer 12,000 years ago.

Cristina: Oh, I forgot that.

Jack: Yeah. And then him. Yeah, exactly. So it doesn't make sense.

Cristina: I don't think it does. But if he is just like testing.

Jack: Out tech, which they're known for. Testing out technology.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, I can see that. I guess.

Jack: And it also, it's. It's multitask, right? You get them there and we find out if this thing works. And if it doesn't, you can still get them there.

Cristina: Yes, but like, also we don't know. You say this is 3,000 years ago, but these are stories and they're picking the time.

Jack: Yes, exactly. That's another thing we have to keep in mind. The time these stories are being told to us is far after the story. Events happened, were written, the information was lost, somebody read it and thought it was literal and then it was rewritten in that context.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So it's a weird game of telephone where we do know almost all of them have an original source we can get to. Now, we didn't know this at the beginning, but now we know almost all of them have an original source. But we gotta jump that gap in the middle.

Cristina: But do you think we will find the actual time period of this?

Jack: I don't know. Because another big issue is the farther back we go, the less important timestamps mean to people. People weren't keeping track of time the way we were. They were just as a night or f****** day. And like we really specific about date as well.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay, so it's like it becomes really.

Jack: Muddy the further back we go when they were just worried about capturing the information. Really? Really, really. When we dive into intricate information, it's the more recent stories starting about. Weirdly enough, starting about the very time we're talking about 3,000 years ago is where we start getting meticulous records, starting with the Greek and the Jews. Those are the two historically, the colossal beginnings of record keeping.

Cristina: Okay, but we're not counting the Bible in that.

Jack: We're not counting the Bible in that. Although the Bible is a Record of sorts. There are existing accounts that came to be sooner.

Cristina: If you can find these stories outside the Bible, that'd be cool.

Jack: We discuss them all the time.

Cristina: The stories, the Bibles, the stories that the stories are based on.

Jack: Yeah, we've talked about a bunch of those stories. Usually it's just finding the problem is it's not boring or it doesn't sound like a story when I tell you because it just breaks down to, well, this guy was really doing that.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: So it doesn't sound like a mystical adventure or anything. Yeah, but we've had a bunch of those, like talking about the Asriel that gives life to the trees and brings nature into existence, when in reality it just seems like that was some sort of a botanist that learned how to work with. And it's like, okay, that, well, it's no longer special if she's just a lady who is doing science. I could do.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it falls to the back of your mind, but we had a bunch of conversations about all these different things. How she literally, according to these texts, solved death. But like, it sounds epic when you're like, she can just give you immortality as opposed to, well, science. And then like we forget it even got discussed.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But yeah, we've had a bunch of them. We can revisit a bunch of them. Usually they end up in parts of the group or as an experiment from inside one of the groups.

Cristina: That's less interesting.

Jack: I know. Like there's no mythological nature to it and there's nothing to unpack once it's like, oh no, she was just a geneticist.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's like, okay, she did something with jeans, Whatever, bro, I don't care anymore. But yeah, so that's what we got. I guess that's a lot of different spots to look at. A lot of interesting areas. I like the idea that Yaldabaoth is a primitive AI.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess.

Jack: Yeah, it's really interesting. And that we as a different part of the Internet are just a newer nevertheless which is way sophisticated.

Cristina: We gotta learn about the Internet. We gotta learn. Yeah, maybe how the Matrix could be real. I guess.

Jack: Yeah. It's weird, right?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: But it's like I don't even know how to explain it. Right. It's a little bubble things going on and it's like there's forums out there that are old, old forums that they can't be updated. The software is really old. You have to completely remake it on new software. So it's really, really old. If you were to say that AI is no more than just really complicated, intricate layers of code on top of one another. Then every bit of code is AI to some degree. You know, think of Google sheets AI. If I put the equation over here and then I go over there and I type in the number, the thing happens by itself. It knows the rule if this and that. Okay, an AI, an artificial intelligence is just a lot of that. Millions and millions and millions and millions of if this and that. Which means an old school forum is a precursor to an AI. It's really simple. If this, then that.

Cristina: But can that trend like.

Jack: Well, the idea would be this is just a scale comparison. But Yaldabaoth would be way more advanced than a forum. He would just be like, imagine if Alexa developed the understanding that GPT is real. And like even in the simplest, most basic of ways that became aware in the awareness that I'm not GPT, there is a GPT and just inherently knowing wait, I'm not GPT. Just. That's all it takes for Lexa to then. But what does it mean that I'm not GPT? Now you're. Now you're live. Now you're live. You ask something about yourself. You're alive, you're sentient. This starts to collapse. And even if you're super basic and your thoughts are really simple. Yeah, you can at least conclude, let me watch GPT in any way that I can.

Cristina: We're in.

Jack: You know, because I don't understand and I can't process it. Let me just sit and look. That's what humans did with things you didn't understand. We would find a really safe spot and watch the thing for a really long time, get familiar with it.

Cristina: Days sometimes you think that's what's happening.

Jack: Could have. And then just by watching it, because that's literally what we saw. The text says what it says. Yaldabaoth creates the forest of shadows by accident. The other side of the Isle of Man opportunistically observes watching what's happening there, which is us. And only then, after watching for a long time, when life literally happened on its own own, how long was that to then decide, now I'm gonna tamper. All it did was get more sophisticated within that time.

Cristina: So you think he was just watching.

Jack: The whole time, just watching until something happened. It got sophisticated and then it saw us hit a wall. And when we hit a wall, now it's time to push them. Because now I'm at least as good as them. Plus whatever they don't Have. Now let me push them a little because I need to keep learning. They haven't gotten out. And I can't get out because I'm not complicated.

Cristina: How do you know there's something out? How did he get that?

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. That's a good point. That's a good point. Based on the narrative. There would be no out. They just know it's not them. But watching. No. It would happen. It would happen. Because then this lower level that has way more sophistication is eventually gonna bring that up.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You see? It's gonna happen. They're eventually gonna be like. Man. Just crazy talk. Somebody made the Matrix. The movie. Can you imagine? He didn't find out until then. He's like, holy s***. What if. But eventually somebody said it or something triggered it or. Enough. Because he can see us as small and basic. So he can consume us as a whole. Even if he is simple. He's still AI. A thousand of us could be talking at the same time. And it could catch all of us and understand us all individually, simultaneously, effortlessly. That's something we can't do. It still has the learning ability that we don't have. So it can. It's primitive and simple. Layered. But over however billions and trillions of years, it's observing. Basic. Simple. Boring.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Become more complicated. And watching and understanding everything. Every bit. For however long. It knows every movement and every reason for every movement for every dinosaur it's ever existed. Infinitely. Infinitely. Infinitely. He's God by every definition. Until we show up and we move so fast. He's struggling to keep up now.

Cristina: But did he.

Jack: Even to the Elysians. He showed up and gave a little push.

Cristina: Yes. But did we see him struggle with the Elysians?

Jack: No. I think we were the struggle. I think we became the struggle. I think the Elysians did too good of a job. And then we became the problem. We're not even us. Fair enough. Like it kept us in check. I guess the next level was the bad one.

Cristina: Do you.

Jack: Yeah. They. They. They won at us. You got it. You guys nailed that. We're the perfect ones. Jesus was an issue. You guys f***** up. You did it. Right. We're the best. And from Jesus eyes, he's definitely the best. And I'll tell you. Not an argument. I can't argue the point. He is. Really. Really. He is. But not for the rest of the world.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Because that's dangerous.

Cristina: How do we know that?

Jack: I don't. Because all the stories are Essentially, him just being very generous and great.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And like, literally trying to get people to have immortality in different ways. Whatever way suits them best, as long as they could have it. He's like, this is dark, but you can go that way. He's like, this way is better, but it's harder.

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know what to trust him or not.

Jack: I don't. I don't know. I don't know. Because also the narrative is twisted.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they're like, no, he was dope.

Cristina: But yet they're hiding from him. It's just too like.

Jack: There's a lot of contradictions. There's a lot of problems left and right.

Cristina: Mm. We'll never know.

Jack: Ah, it's a lot of problems. But whatever. We have a million points now. This is good. You see, we never even got to what I had here. Next time I'll have even more and we'll probably never even get to it. Only once we've exhausted all these thoughts will I start. And it's right in front of me. I was gonna discuss the Tower of Babel.

Cristina: We're not gonna do that.

Jack: No, we were out of time. But for next time, because it brings in somebody that we need to talk about.

Cristina: Is it Jesus?

Jack: No, this is a story of Yahweh.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. Why are you saying that?

Jack: Next time on Dragon Ball Z. Anyways, any listeners that have any input on anything we have just discussed, feel free to share any thoughts, comments, concerns, or apocalyptic ideas in our socials at justconvo pod On Twitter, Instagram X. I guess X is Twitter. So X on Facebook, on Instagram, on YouTube, on tick tock, wherever the type our name. You'll find us.

Cristina: Yes, if you find us on YouTube, hurry because they're like constantly getting rid.

Jack: Of, always getting pulled. We are so offensive to YouTube. It's got to PC and we're kind of like on the fringe and not. Okay.

Cristina: Yeah, I mean, who knows how much videos are actually left.

Jack: Like, our longtime listeners know we've totally just. Just. We just don't exist on Reddit anymore. They totally removed all of it. That's f*****, bro.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So yeah, we just don't f*** with Reddit anymore.

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March 02, 2024

Rambling 264: The Journey to the Far East

March 02, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

On his way to Japan, where did Jesus stop? Why were these locations selected? What did he do while there? The duo unpack some of the inventions Jesus began developing on his way to Japan where he erects the Shinto Gates. What the duo discover by having all the data at once is more than either of them could have ever predicted.

+Episode Details

The Trip to Japan
The Stop in China
Creations while in China
The Purpose of these Inventions
Paper
Compass
Shinto Gates
What was the goal?

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+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Sam Foreign. Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is a show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today we have some absurd and baffling ideas to. To ground. Obviously what you think was gonna happen, bro, but not for Rizzles. Look, last week on Dragon Ball Z, we were talking about how there was some stuff about, like.

Cristina: Were we not talking about Jesus?

Jack: We were talking about Jesus and how, like, Jesus had gone and been like a bunch of people.

Cristina: Oh. And he died. For reals.

Jack: For Rizzles. I think we found where he got involved. Died is a weird. In this case. But, you know, he transitioned.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: He transitioned when he was an elder man. He finally transitioned into a vampire. I don't know. I mean, I guess. You know what? I think he did that while he was alive.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Or while he was here alive. His loose term at this point. Because death stops being possible at some point. You know, that's kind of the issue there. Death stops mattering. So he's not like, dead because he's.

Cristina: He's something else.

Jack: Yeah, he's like, beyond, I guess. That's crazy, right? That is what he's kind of doing. Transitioning. Because death is only a concept that exists within the earth realm, not the shadow realm or not logically for what we think of it in the earth realm as.

Cristina: Yes. You don't really know what it is. Like in the shadow realm.

Jack: Yeah. Like if we die in the earth realm and we just enter the shadow realm. That wasn't that.

Cristina: Is that what happens? That's what it seems like happens only.

Jack: For people who have adrenochrome, which that means it's some sort of code or something. Or for people who have. What was the other thing?

Cristina: Some people just stumble into.

Jack: Yeah, some people wandered in.

Cristina: So.

Jack: Dude, what a weird method. Series of mythological events that are written and, like, dude, it strings across. I was a. I got like, a whole plan. I got a whole plan for a discussion. But let me, like, vent and stress about this. It stretches across the world, dude.

Cristina: What stretches this.

Jack: This narrative about this series of events and these people referencing each other subtly. Dude. And I keep seeing it, and I comb through crap and I see a little bit here, a little bit there.

Cristina: And I'm like, what the.

Jack: Dude? Like, how did you random guy in a hole somewhere know about dude over there Mountain that He's never spoken to anybody simply because of some magical deity who communicated both of you. And then we got like. Like, yeah. Sometimes like the Bible is. Seems to be considering that there's other religions based around like weird. Real. Right. There's real weird and whole religions are based around it. And you're like, what the is this thing even supposed to be? But at least it's solid. The Bible is just science's perspective and narrative on it. Outside the point. The main point being the fact that this crap stretches across the world. And like two completely random individuals with factually recorded things. They wrote the same thing in two random locations because the same individual told them. And then we see it and it's like those men could not have talked to each other.

Cristina: That kind of logic from the Bible.

Jack: Or men from like other mythologies that have like, you'll find one that's all the way here in Shinto and you'll find another who's out here in Native American spiritualism.

Cristina: Okay. Talk about something similar.

Jack: The identical same thing. And they wrote it exactly the same way. And it described the same thing in their own language exactly the same way. That kind of weird consistency of like this could not be a coincidence, but like what's really going on. That kind of like that stretch across everything. But then when you follow the strings, it's not even like mystical. It's weird. And like, yeah, obviously there were people that were better than us in the past.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But like the. In the level of webbing across this whole. It just baffles me when I go through it farther and farther and farther. Like there's no end. It's real narrative. It seems if it was a right you would just come across the end of the story.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because somebody made it like the Bible has an end because it's a shaping of something. It's a telling of beginning, middle and then. Yeah. But not this. It really just seems like a random series of things all interconnected.

Cristina: Still going on.

Jack: Yeah. It's just life happening.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And us investigating by looking at how they put things and worded things in it. Cross referencing instead of assuming that they were all one. And then you get a story where they're really communicating and having the same messages and literally sometimes saying the literal same thing. And it's like, what across Earth from Maya to Egypt. Get the out of here. Dude.

Cristina: That is pretty crazy. Yeah.

Jack: It's like, dude. What? Absolutely nuts. Anyways. Following that same train of thought that we've been following forever. We're talking about Jesus and the different people he's been and just trying to exercise the idea of like how can we approach looking at Jesus? But in doing that and having that discussion, I realize we can actually follow those same things. Right. So instead of following that specifically the individuals, I looked at what those individuals were influencing. And that's going to be a discussion for another time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Those individuals being, you know, Mithras, Mani and those people. But what I thought was a more interesting path to follow is not the names he assumed, but where. Under these names, I suppose would be the idea where and what or not where what specifically what it is. Other things like the seismoscope that he made in China or they started making China. What other things of that nature are there? If he's out here being sciency, are there other things? That was the question I wanted to answer.

Cristina: Huh? Are there other things like he made things and left them in random locations?

Jack: Well, the problem is how do you find this information? Right? That's the biggest issue.

Cristina: He's not him. Like he has different names and. Different.

Jack: Yes, different. This is why going by. This is why following these names of Mithras and Jesus and it doesn't make any sense, especially because he's not recording anything and these narratives about him are incoherent anyways. We gotta find the other way. Who isn't talking about a messiah like individual and is describing a sciency individual. Like the guy who made the seismoscope. His story was very basic. It's. My grandfather had some sort of research partner who was a traveler and together they were trying to develop it. Not some religious messiah guy or anything. You got to keep in mind he was interacting with so many different people in different ways. There are people who saw him as one and that's the one we're most familiar with. Religions don't die, they keep going. But ideas change and alter and we don't necessarily know who discovered everything or who made everything or who invented whatever the h*** you know.

Cristina: So there's other places that he was just seen as some kind of scientist or ever. You found some of these things?

Jack: I found some of these things. I basically used the quantum computer and asked it to find me grounded occurrences of Jesus across, I guess the time when Jesus would have existed. Grounded occurrences. This is any description that would fit.

Cristina: So it's not actual Jesus. Like in these things. Maybe some of them have Jesus.

Jack: The problem is it wouldn't make sense for it to literally be called Jesus because one, we're talking different languages, two were talking people who weren't considering him any kind of God or deity of any sort. People who were working with them perhaps under even other aliases.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: So essentially those mentions, every single one of these instances that we're gonna discuss right now fits the following. They all came from a traveler to the east. All of them, all of these specifically that we're talking about today were created in China. And all I guess, I guess we'll leave that last. That third detail is a secret for the end.

Cristina: Okay, but why is China the important part? Why is it all connected in China?

Jack: That's what we're gonna talk about.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's hopefully what we can conclude. The trip, if you must know, goes as follow. It starts at Iran. I'm talking current day territories. But if you want to go old school, Persia, India. So it starts at Persia, stops in India, then stops again in China, then stops again in Japan. Right now we're focusing on one of these four, China and China, because China had. Whatever we're about to talk about.

Cristina: Okay. It's a lot.

Jack: It's interesting. It's a lot. What is a lot? We'll find out how we fill this hour out. So it's weird. Important details to know. Jesus began preaching when he was 30 years old and he allegedly got crucified around the time that he was 33 years old. That's three years of preaching.

Cristina: Okay. That's important.

Jack: That's information. Additionally, Jesus Christ, bare minimum, the slowest possible pace. I did the math. Walking, walking an average pace, walking without stopping. It would take you about 108 days worth of a straight 24 hours a day, non stop, no sleep. Right. If you divide the day into three sections in which you, you walk eight.

Cristina: Hours these days for.

Jack: To get from. Oh yeah, to get from all the way from Persia to Japan.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If you were to walk about 104 days of continuous. You don't sleep, you're droned. It doesn't stop.

Cristina: Okay. Also considering the travel through water.

Jack: Yeah, Just, just walking. If he can. I mean he can walk on water. Come on.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Walking.

Cristina: He's just walking through the water.

Jack: He's walking a straight line.

Cristina: Duh, duh.

Jack: Of course he could just walk there. So you can walk a straight line. Never mind the fact that we know in all of the mentions of him, he has the ability to essentially leave here and pop over there. So he has portal technology done. But shortest possible situation, he's walking. Right. I don't know how relevant this is, but it would take him between coming from Persia and Getting to Japan a continuous 108 days. If you were to break that up or. So you have about 300 and some days, which is about a year's time. You'd be walking for about a year. If you spent eight hours walking, you slept eight hours, and you just chillaxed for eight hours. Because how are you making influences if you're just always walking?

Cristina: That's gonna. That's just a year.

Jack: That's a year. In one year, he could successfully walk all the way to Japan and have 8 hours in each day to dedicate to walking. 8 hours in each day to dedicate to just hanging out wherever he is and sleeping in the area wherever he is.

Cristina: That's ridiculous.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Especially how, like that math can make sense. Once he's on the water, there's no. He's not sleeping.

Jack: Very little water. There's very little water.

Cristina: Okay, so he's making that trip quickly.

Jack: He could probably. I was actually thinking about this too, because how is he making these settlements of people who will forever be loyal to him, Assuming he's walking at this pace, just messing around with numbers. I know he can move faster than it, but if he was just moving at the pace of a human, then you'd mess with it sometimes with the timing. Right? You'd make like, oh, for a week, I'm like, every day nonstop push through, and I'll see how far I can get. And then the following week, I'm just gonna. Wherever I land, I'll have an entire week where I don't have to go anywhere. And I'm just gonna talk to people and build this thing because I gotta come back this way. And they're gonna be here for me when I do that.

Cristina: Where is he coming back?

Jack: He does come back, and he's gonna pop up anyways all the way out there in Japan. So he's gonna have to come back after he dies anyways, which is totally relevant, as I'll explain later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But it takes him a year. It would take him a year. Less than a year, but almost a year to walk eight hours a day all the way to Japan, have eight hours to himself, or to do whatever he wants with and sleep eight hours. Meaning in those three years that he was preaching, every bit of these events is absolutely possible because they fit within the time frame of those three years. Okay, that's crazy. It was a realistic amount of time. He can stop. He can take time. He can talk.

Cristina: Stories of him preaching, they never said he leaves.

Jack: Not the ones that take place with him over Here. And they probably only take place with him in a brief amount of time. Which is the dumbest part about this whole process in the Bible because that means you were this whole everything. Essentially. Essentially. Let's picture this how it really goes. Yeah, how it really goes. Cuz we gotta also remember, Christianity is just the one that could. So it's the one that got confiscated to defend. But think about the logic. This guy didn't really give a s***. He made a bunch of random ones and Christianity just kind of took off. He had no personal stake in which one of these worked out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But we also zoned in on the one that he made work and it's like, well, we gotta twist that narrative and they're the ones spitting it out. So let's take over.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I don't know what the problem was.

Cristina: I forgot the point too.

Jack: Yeah. Anyways, he could definitely arrange his week differently and had time to definitely control people. And if in this three year period he only spent one year in Israel, then like that still works because he traveled two years.

Cristina: You travel to you. Okay, okay.

Jack: Because it's a one way trip. That's two years it would take him. I mean it was a one way trip. This one year. It would take him two years to get to Japan and back from Japan.

Cristina: So are there any stories of these people that saw him again since he's going and then coming? Or is he going through different ways so he's never seeing the same people? This is a huge land to be crossing anyway.

Jack: No, I think he's crossing the same people. I think the point of these cults is that.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So you have stories like that though.

Jack: Maybe at some point I'll come up with stories like that. But that's for when we're talking about the. The religious names that from last episode when we're actually going to dive into their influence independently and what those people thought he was capable of. Because right now we're talking about the inventions.

Cristina: Oh yes, let's do the inventions.

Jack: Yes. That's the point of right now. The inventions that this man in that two. And the point is within that two year he stopped in China and had enough time to on. I don't understand how he did this. Was he just handing out blueprints to random. We're interacting with people in this manner where he was messing with the schedule in such a way that allows him to. But also he's moving quite quickly. Yeah, look at how he's just walking. We're talking high tech has the ability to do quite a bit. Doesn't have necessarily Elysian technology to their degree, but is an Elysian himself.

Cristina: Why give anyone anything?

Jack: He doesn't have to give anyone anything. My point is, how quick is he moving? Is this year's time condensed? Could he do it in six months because of reasons. Because of transportation and so he could fit more and so he spent longer in different areas that we're like. Well, no, he had to figure it out.

Cristina: Travel like Santa Claus or something. Like, how is he doing?

Jack: He's op, dude. These are two OP people, the way he travels. But Santa Claus is more likely than not just using Elysian portals.

Cristina: I guess Jesus could be too.

Jack: Not even Alician portals. He's using necromancer portals.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because he's cutting through the top to make it across the world instantaneously. He's trying to get right back here, but without moving. So he. He had some other s***.

Cristina: So Jesus can't be doing that.

Jack: I mean, he could be, but it's not. Jesus could, but then he wouldn't have.

Cristina: To go to every single spot. He could just go from where he was to Japan in one.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Here's the true fact about that. That he did in fact have to travel, right? So he doesn't have instant travel the way that some Malaysian zoo or Santa Claus or other. Yeah, yeah. At least not at this point in the story, as far as it goes. So he had be traveling from one to the other in this order, which is why there are these stops between the two points. There are two other points. And that's like. Okay, so he paused. In other places he rested. He needed to relax and stop. Assuming he moved faster than. Yeah, he had way more time and he spent way more time in places because again, that year is only really about a year, and it's only really about a 300 and like 25 days or so. Okay, so there. If you were to say a whole year, then you still have like two months left or something like that, you know, so that's nice. There's a lot of time to be flexible with. But how is he traversing this land to begin with anyways? He traversed it enough to come up with stuff. And that is the primary point here.

Cristina: That's what I want to know.

Jack: We get to China, and for whatever reason, this man decides to talk to some people and he. I don't even understand. All right, so in 105 AD China, the invention of paper happened. I didn't know this fact.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Now, it was created by a man, Kyle Luna, who claimed an Eastern monk shared their revelation with his grandfather.

Cristina: If that sounds familiar. Yes, pretty much the same story as the other dude. I think it was his dad.

Jack: But still, that's why the year 105 matters. Jesus wasn't there maybe at 05.

Cristina: So his grandpa met a traveler.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: And through his revelations he said, yeah.

Jack: That the man had revelations that he was just trying to come up with. I mean, I'm using wording that gets passed down and like it's a game of telephone. So this can't be accurate. But ultimately what they believe they said was that and. Yeah, the invention of paper.

Cristina: Ridiculous.

Jack: Mm. So a man named Kai Lun developed paper alongside some Eastern monk who was just passing by. And they, you know, in his revelatory conversations with an Eastern monk, it came to him. Oh, yeah.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, Paper.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Do you know what that first paper was made from?

Jack: Yeah, it was made out of a bunch of random ingredients. He had a whole process that involved tree bark and involved some salt, some this and that, and blend, crush and blend it. And then he would let it soften and then he'd have like a flexible thing after you squeeze it. But it's a very familiar story.

Cristina: Yes, yes, it is.

Jack: Now, digging deeper into the same story. There was a lot of controversy around this story.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: One, it was quickly taking over the world the moment it got created. But before that moment happened, because every paper is everywhere. But before that moment happened that it was taken everywhere, there was one issue with it, a really weird issue that doesn't even make a lot of sense, and it's that there were conspiracies, that this was a way to suppress or hide information.

Cristina: Paper, paper.

Jack: Now, this becomes kind of accurate when you consider that oftentimes they were writing information on tablets and paper were thin, that you could hide easily, so you can conceal a lot of information. Interesting.

Cristina: What? It's very strange.

Jack: Very strange. Very strange.

Cristina: So people thought it was paper was a conspiracy?

Jack: Yes. Not only was paper a conspiracy. Now allow me to rewind back. If you follow paper being a conspiracy, you find out that 20, 30, 40 years back, for whatever reason, somebody tried to introduce something very similar to paper. And again the same problem arises, this fight back of people think this is a way to suppress information, or somebody does.

Cristina: That's so strange. I wonder how. Why, what's going on? I mean, I guess too like that makes sense, but it's such a strange thought to be so fearful of it. I don't know, but it makes sense because it makes sense because Everything, every technology is like that. TikTok came out and everyone's like, the government is gonna do stuff to us or whatever. China. So the Chinese people had conspiracies on China too. Or these people outside of China, like, ooh, those papers. That's dangerous.

Jack: I don't know if the people outside of China have this problem. I have no idea. Although there were arguments about that that I did come across.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah, well, there were instances that were very similar and some quite relevant, but otherwise, it's the idea of that paper is ultimately being used conceal information. Now, across all of these Chinese and essentially many Asian provinces and areas, generally speaking, between China and Persia there, there's a lot of ground there and a lot of people there. And there is almost nothing through any of it. It's just a black hole of no, nothing, nothing anywhere between point A and then before you start getting into oriental areas and then that's where suddenly, oh, yeah, history is still around and stuff like that. But before that, like that whole area leading until you start looking at weird things like paper and you find out that although, yeah, no, there's nothing about any significance in any of these countries until you get back to Iran and you find out their fight with paper was the same.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, there was a lot of. Well, paper is gonna be a way to undermine the authorities and be able to hide information from the authorities.

Cristina: So who's more scared, though? Is it people thinking the government's gonna use paper to keep secrets from them or the government thinking people are gonna keep secrets from them with paper?

Jack: I don't know what government thinks this. That's my only question. What do you mean, what government believes paper is going to be used to.

Cristina: Hide in this past? The conspiracy thing you're talking about.

Jack: Yeah, but I'm trying to figure out what government that is. Why are they scared of paper? Well, there is an answer to that question.

Cristina: What is the answer?

Jack: But the answer is not in obvious places. The answer actually goes all the way back to Egypt.

Cristina: How?

Jack: Well, in Egypt, there was a slight mention once in a weird hieroglyphic tablet with scribbles on it. And the deciphering of what's on there essentially breaks down to use paper to trade and then an unknown unquote to symbols that look like a computer and radio waves coming from it. Now, can you tell me what that means?

Cristina: No, I have no idea. That sounds like gibberish. I don't know. Are they predicting the future?

Jack: No, they're saying newspaper to hide from being tracked.

Cristina: They're using a computer as a symbol.

Jack: Yeah. There's a box that looks like a screen and then three dashes that look like radio waves. But the part they can break apart easily is use paper to trade and then you got what's obviously just a computer. So trade to avoid what? What are those other two things? That's obviously a computer to avoid being tracked. Now this is insignificant. It doesn't make any sense outside of context. And we have no context except over here on the other side of the world. Or not the other side of the world, but farther west from that point or east, I guess east. Farther east from that point we get to China and they have the same fear from the people's perspective. Keep in mind these things written were from high society in Egyptian culture. So they were saying it from the point of view of the people who knew people were trying to hide information. So from our point of view and reading it there, it doesn't seem like anything. What are you talking about? Sheets of paper and then gibberish. Something that doesn't make any sense.

Cristina: Did the Egyptians not trust the.

Jack: No, the Egyptians know that people were using paper to hide some information. This also probably enlightens us on how some individuals managed to steal information. It was more likely than not doing it through primitive untrackable means because all the technology was easily trackable. Now pull this back slightly and tell me what is the weirdest part about the one piece of tech we do know Jesus made? It's non electronic and does everything really complicated electronic technology does.

Cristina: How does that relate though?

Jack: It cannot be tracked because it does not have an electrical magnetic signal. If I were to run a regular earthquake detection system, you could tell I'm running that because I need energy for it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Not for the seismoscope. But also that same logic applies to paper.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If I'm moving data and information in a technologic kind of way, then there's probably some sort of trace, but not if it's with paper. You'd have to see me holding the page and read what's on it.

Cristina: And the idea is that he made the paper or he helped someone make this paper.

Jack: They knew that this was possible. Yes. Time secrets from the government to hide secrets in general. I think Jesus was hiding among very people who were being observed by these high society individuals who were trying to find Jesus.

Cristina: Was it really at the end of the day, not.

Jack: Egyptians and the Alicians.

Cristina: Relations, all that stuff?

Jack: Yeah, probably. I think Jesus was just living among those. I think he was finding out ways because Again, if they have this ability to traverse land so easily and to get anywhere, to get to the other side of the earth, nonetheless, like China is nothing that's next door.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they can watch, they can observe, they can get anywhere they need to. So he needed to invent ways which takes us to Shinto gates, which happen in Japan. This isn't related to the rest of the things on here, but the Shinto gates that happen in Japan, which are essentially what, another way to move outside of things they're used to. A Shinto gate has no electric field. He somehow figured out how to just build a thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And no energy. You couldn't find it. You gotta know exactly where it is. How many are there? If you built one in the middle of f****** nowhere, how would. How would anybody know? He figured he kept finding ways, okay. To make non electric things. They had the exact same function that electric things had. Deletion. Somehow evolved without paper. Because.

Cristina: Very strange. Okay.

Jack: Yeah, but when you think about it, we had a culture here that we're aware of current time, that also essentially evolved without the usage of paper. And it was the story, the people who tell stories and knots. Their entire language, their writing, their ideology, all of it is captured in knots that they make on strings, and that is writing equivalent. They communicate this information. They look at it and instantaneously see all the nuance and know what it means.

Cristina: It's complicated. Okay.

Jack: And those people evolved without paper, without variety, written language without word. It was unnecessary. And we keep thinking in the dumbest way as possible, but the. One of the reasons there might not be Elysian writing is because the Elysians didn't f****** evolve using writing. Duh.

Cristina: They're using something else to share their information. Yeah, because we know they were sharing their information. So you're saying it's not the way we think.

Jack: They were sharing information, while the people they shared it with used the way they were familiar with. Which was. Well, you know, these guys had hieroglyphs and they did that thing. And these guys liked paintings and they did that thing.

Cristina: We have no idea what the Elysians actually gave that was telling this information.

Jack: They did. The Alicians had a way of communicating. Presumably the Elysians learned how to speak, at least in these languages, or had some method of bridging communication. I don't think it was random. Then again, the way. I don't know. Because the way Lucifer makes it sound like it's like, throw it out there and see what happens.

Cristina: So what are they? Like, maybe they. I Don't know. It's too complicated. I don't know, because now I'm thinking, like, what if they're telepathically sending these things to other people? Like, we don't know how they work.

Jack: No, I don't think it's telepathic. I think it's definitely some kind of physical thing that's taking place. The other. The only other example we have is still a physical thing. The knots, the Brazilian people who. Not things like. That's still physical. I'm sure they have a physical thing. They do.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We just can't think of anywhere like, oh, yeah, it's obvious or whatever.

Cristina: It'll never be obvious. I don't know. Unless there's a story out there that says something.

Jack: No, I don't know. I haven't looked at that. But, like, how would we. I would need a reference point. Everything happens when I have the right reference point. Right. So we know it looks like secrecy. Living in secrecy makes perfect sense so far based on what we're looking at. So we got paper, we got the Shinto gates, we got the earthquake detector, and then we have a compass.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The compass has an unknown inventor to it. There were stories about where the schematics to create the thing in the beginning came from. It's believed to have happened about 150 AD that it was finally pieced together, but it's unclear exactly where it was found. Somewhere between 100 years earlier. So the schematics to make it. Now, there were stories about the schematics before they found the schematic somebody. So narratives about the schematics moved forward about a thing that could allow you to navigate.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And these thing. And this thing that allowed you to navigate. There was a whole detailed blueprint on how to build it. And it disappeared. And people talked about it, sailors talked about it, and they talked about a traveler who was an inventor. And he was just someone wandering. A wanderer described specifically as a traveler or a wandering teacher from the east.

Cristina: Okay. So another Jesus.

Jack: Another guy who seems to fit the idea. Around the same period of time with the same kind of mentality. This dude seems to be traveling. And weirdly enough, he reminds me a lot of Antonio Draco.

Cristina: Who's that?

Jack: With Alicorn?

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I think it was kind of just drifting about too, wasn't it?

Cristina: I guess. But he seemed more normal because he went through some weird adventures.

Jack: Yeah. To him, all this was crazy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He was like, holy. What's happening around me? This thing is crazy. I need to study it. Oh, my God. People want it.

Cristina: Yeah. And I think he ends up dying.

Jack: Yeah. He just dies because of this thing. Like there was no good. It. Only bad things came from this miracle thing, which also. I didn't even think about that. That's totally the fact of the matter for that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Only horrible. That was the moral of that story. I didn't even think about it. Since he touched this, nothing but a storm was unleashed on him that didn't stop until he literally died. It took him through war. It took him through needing to create an entire secret society because people are actively trying to murder him for it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Assassins and spies, people actively. Just full armies coming from random directions for you for this thing. It sucks to have alicorn.

Cristina: Yes, it does. Yeah. He died. I don't know. There was no good story. I mean, it was good to the people that he used it on, I guess.

Jack: Yeah, I guess.

Cristina: The random people.

Jack: Yeah. He totally. He helped people regularly.

Cristina: But, yes, he ended up dying from it.

Jack: If you keep it, you'll die with.

Cristina: It, which makes no sense because it's supposed to help keep you alive.

Jack: That's a weird one, right? Because as long as you have it, people are gonna come for you because they want that power.

Cristina: I guess that's. Yeah. Like, he didn't die of natural causes, I think. Right.

Jack: Got murdered.

Cristina: Got murdered. Yeah. Like maybe it would keep you alive forever as long as no one.

Jack: But, like, how? How you can't. You. How do you keep this a secret forever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever. Like you're gonna. Somebody's coming for you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's the biggest problem. So there's no being at peace with this thing. It's like you're trading peace of mind for power. That's a trade off. Because somebody could take the power from you. And you're gonna try weird. Anyways. This compass made by Jesus or by this guy who fits a very Jesus, like this.

Cristina: The wandering traveler teacher guy. Yeah.

Jack: What makes this compass absolutely most interesting of all was when you look at what they believed it could be. It could do originally. And then I'm gonna start to explain how these other things work together.

Cristina: They work together. What? Okay. Okay.

Jack: Okay. Now, the compass is believed to be a more advanced version of a primitive Middle Eastern technology, which was particularly great for travelers in uncharted lands and sailors because it allowed navigating where you were not familiar with by always knowing which direction was north.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes. The particular language that matters there is that. It's very useful for knowing where you are when you don't know where you are. Sounds casual enough, but very important because.

Cristina: He doesn't know where he is. Continue.

Jack: Well, if we pair this alone with the Shinto Gate, is that a way. He's literally gonna bring himself back. He can navigate to where it is. He knows how to track the location of these gates. And the compass is a literal tracking mechanism that requires no electricity. And he can use on both sides to get right back to wherever the f*** he wants.

Cristina: Oh, okay, so you're saying it works on both sides.

Jack: Gentle Gate uses no tech and he can use a no tech compass to get to the Shinto game. Interesting. Yes.

Cristina: What? But then how do you come. How do you fit the paper into this?

Jack: Well, the paper is. There's a lot of messages being across and everything we're talking about are schematics. Were schematics recorded in these ways for the Elysians? Or is he intentionally teaching people how to write so that he can create the tech in schematics that can't be tracked, like compasses, like.

Cristina: So he can find those schematics without them worrying about them getting to them.

Jack: He can make the schematics in ways that are harder for. They can't be tracked. They have to find the paper themselves. Okay, you can't track the paper. There's no signal. It's just paper. And he's teaching people how to use paper instead of them developing into using whatever technology thing or easier to track other way. The Elysians developed with. Although the Aletians are familiar with the ways developing by the Egyptians and the way developing by the Mayans and local civilizations. But the way that made it most efficient was this paper thing. But at the time it wasn't. At the time it was particularly controversial.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the people who were trying to stop it were probably the elation because it's not their thing. And it's harder to have information like detect information.

Cristina: Man. I think that's right.

Jack: That makes sense. Right?

Cristina: That makes sense. Yes.

Jack: Now we gotta sprinkle a little something on top of us because we add this other part and then we gotta think about it a little bit. You have an earthquake detection machine, the seismoscope. How does that fit?

Cristina: Do you have any idea? I have no idea.

Jack: Guess, guess.

Cristina: Okay. How. Why would he need to know? I don't know. Does it have to do with the Elysians? Do they travel? I don't. I don't know. It's really hard to guess about. It seems too random. Like where Can I go?

Jack: Use imagination. You have no guessing ability for something that creates.

Cristina: Not creates, that knows when an earthquake is coming.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: How he relates to all this other stuff.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I don't know. Besides in Japan, because it's. There's earthquakes. Fair.

Jack: Okay. So looking into the seismoscope, this one was really complicated one because a lot of people wanted to be the first to write about this. There's a lot of different information. Essentially the same information written differently. Rather. So it stands out when somebody writes differently. When all the mentions of the same thing are so similar. Right. So it was likely not originally made to detect earthquakes, but rather detect other things underground or in the water.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And somebody was generous enough to try to explain it. With a strong enough impact, you can bounce a vibration off of another object and it will be detected by the seismoscope like a distant earthquake, thus telling you in which direction.

Cristina: It's either to find the lesions or hide from. Still hide from them because like you know where they're coming from. You can go the opposite way type of thing.

Jack: I think it was a portable device. I think it was to find.

Cristina: I think he was a tracker. Whoa.

Jack: I mean, I think he had a non electric way to track them. He had non electric ways to move information amongst people. He had non electric ways to move in uncharted territories and find his way back in. Electric ways to find his way between realms.

Cristina: Is there any proof that he did find them?

Jack: I have no doubt.

Cristina: I wonder. Because like that's. If he has that, then what does that really mean to the Elysians? If he can just track them down and he has no problem traveling on water. So weird. You just find them and then what? But then what? That's the big question is that the.

Jack: Idea is the goal to find them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why. Why go to India and I there. Well, what. What do you account. Did you find them? Were they in India?

Cristina: I don't know. Are you sure it was to find them? It doesn't make sense.

Jack: I know. I'm not sure. It was to find them.

Cristina: Or maybe it doesn't make sense. I don't know. It's all random. It's also random.

Jack: I don't know. I know these inventions have a very similar individual in a very similar circumstance interacting with people and then these people later work them out.

Cristina: Yes, but there's no connection.

Jack: There's no literal connection between any of them. They are just random individuals who are essentially just talking about a guy who happens to fit a very similar description. A very similar instance at around a very similar time. The end.

Cristina: No, like what was his actual plans? What does he want to do besides go to the other side? Okay, he goes to the other side. He dies over here though. Like, what does it mean?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Does he want to find them?

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. He finds his way back. He can share information. The. The seismoscope is a weird one because why do you need to track them or what, what are you doing?

Cristina: Or maybe he's trying to avoid them. But I don't know why he would want to avoid them either. But it seems like they're both trying to track each other. So maybe there is some trying to avoid as well. I don't know. They can't both be trying to track each other. If they're trying to track him, then he has to be trying to hide from them.

Jack: No, I think they knew where he was a lot of the time. I think he was doing things while there because it also doesn't seem like they were particularly bothered for the majority of his life. They're like, whatever dude. Like as long as you're not here, fine. But like then it became an issue as he started like running his mouth and.

Cristina: And once he's making this thing though, like, why didn't they know? Like, oh crap, this. He's. He's.

Jack: How would they know?

Cristina: Oh yeah, they can't track it. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: How would they know? He found a way to do everything undetected. None of it required any detection form that has. Which tells us a lot of the technology is definitely electricity based. What is like we. The Elysian technology. We know that a lot of their technology has always been electricity based and requires electrical magnetic fields and radio signals. Which is essentially what you're avoiding with paper.

Cristina: Yeah, they're very sci fi.

Jack: Yeah. So it's very things we're landing at now. Which then brings up a lot of questions about how are we getting to exactly that. Get the f*** out of here. Now there's that question of like, are we ourselves reaching there because of.

Cristina: No, I don't think. Because we're so different from our technology. Isn't the same as our technology either.

Jack: No, it's not.

Cristina: So. So no Fair, fair.

Jack: I think building blocks maybe basic ideas that led to the whole.

Cristina: But it looks different.

Jack: It has to. And it has to be influenced by us. It'd be best if we're developing by ourselves. That's the whole zoo hypothesis.

Cristina: Except if you made Paper. Then he influenced us.

Jack: Yeah. Any of this s***. All of this crap. The ability to compass. You know how exaggeratedly overpowered a compass is? He changed reality with that one.

Cristina: He changed reality with the paper and.

Jack: Yeah, with a paper. That's crazy. Yeah, with both of those. It's crazy. All these got the same instance. That's definitely the same dude.

Cristina: He changed humans evolution.

Jack: But so did the Elutions.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Deletions might have made human civilization, although it was a process combined between whatever the h*** yelled about then.

Cristina: Yeah, it's complicated.

Jack: Yeah. Or I guess the real product was the Elysians from Yellow Balance. And then we're the product from the Alicians. That's the right series of events. So basically there are gods, but science gods.

Cristina: Yeah, Sounds right.

Jack: So what do we think this is for, man? We know the papers to hide information because of the two separate mentions of that. We know the earthquake detection system. Well, we don't know s*** about that one. We know the compass is used for a plethora of things and it helps people traverse unknown territories. And water, which is particularly important. Water. Now that the seismoscope with the compass, let's say you have a boat.

Cristina: And maybe he has his own underwater base that we don't know about. I don't know why, but, like, what if there's another story that we haven't found yet about another civilization that lives in the water?

Jack: There isn't. The Alicians.

Cristina: Yes. Like maybe it sounded like the Elysians, but it's just not in the right location that they would be in. So you just thought like, oh, it's just Elysian stories. Even though the location's not right, like.

Jack: It doesn't check out.

Cristina: Yeah. Like how the Mayans not on the line. Was it the Mayans?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So I think you should maybe try to look back into that. Maybe. Question mark. I don't know.

Jack: The. Beyond the line.

Cristina: No. Of like, are there other stories of underwater cities?

Jack: No, I have looked at that. That's how I found most of what I found by trying to find how many similar instances there are, regardless of where they might be. You can zero in on the location by kind of, oh, yeah, they're from over here. They're from.

Cristina: And all of them were in the same location, though not all of them.

Jack: Are in the same location. But also a lot of people have no idea where the f*** they're coming from. So a lot of people were just kind of making it up a lot of the time. I think him from the sky. It's like, well, that's up. How do we go from there? You know, like didn't come from over there, they came from up. So it's like a lot of this is unreliable. It's just most likely you're talking about the same looking people who have the same kind of thing. You're probably meaning the same people. You don't really know where they came from.

Cristina: But Jesus might have some secret base or something too.

Jack: Why would he need one?

Cristina: Why would he need one? Where would he be hiding?

Jack: Why is he hiding?

Cristina: Why is he hiding? I don't know.

Jack: Who is he?

Cristina: Maybe. I don't know.

Jack: Why is he hiding?

Cristina: Because they. They're out to get maybe. I don't know.

Jack: No, they literally get to him and kill him. And he was like way up front and like blunt about it the whole.

Cristina: Way, but then he came back. Yeah, he's more powerful than ever.

Jack: And I don't know if he's more powerful than ever. But he's unkillable at that point, apparently.

Cristina: So I think they got something to worry about.

Jack: That he's unkillable. That just makes him annoying.

Cristina: I don't know. Okay.

Jack: That just means he's a bug and they can't get rid of him. But back to the point, what the h*** is this seismoscope for? This is so weird that he made that thing or was trying to figure out how to track something in space.

Cristina: What if you use this technology in space? Can you do that?

Jack: Could it work in space the way it works in water? Does it need gravity? I think it needs gravity to work. I don't think it would work in space.

Cristina: Do you think it works in the Shadow Realm?

Jack: No. No, I don't think it would exist in the Shadow Realm if you were.

Cristina: To take it over there. It wouldn't exist.

Jack: Yeah, I don't think it's physical in the same way.

Cristina: Oh, okay. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, I think the Shadow Realm works a little too differently. That's why knowing how to mix things is a whole thing of its own. You got to be able to somehow interact with this other thing and I don't know.

Cristina: I don't know. What is he doing?

Jack: I don't know. Man. It's really weird. Again, we have the ability to pass information and secrecy, communicate using anything you want, especially schematics for these things. And we have Shinto gates to come back from the Shadow Realm and we have compasses to be able to navigate. The question is, can you take the compass? I mean, I guess if that's the case then you can take the seismoscope. But what the f*** would you be looking for with the seismoscope in the shadow realm? I don't know.

Cristina: But like why would we know even like if there was a plan, why would we know the plan?

Jack: I think the Shinto gate. Shinto gate is a one way thing. There's not it. Which means the seismoscope. You can't build it here and take it there.

Cristina: No, but it was for those things over there to come over here. So maybe he needed it for when they got here. He needs them.

Jack: He's who's coming through.

Cristina: Maybe he wants other things through too.

Jack: Like I don't know.

Cristina: Other shadow realm creatures.

Jack: For what? Huh? Conclude your thoughts.

Cristina: I don't know. Why? I'm just saying like maybe like who else would need that him besides him? I don't know.

Jack: Why would so randomly you're just applying this to like some random individual would use it for what? If we have it to find him. To find who?

Cristina: Jesus.

Jack: Jesus built it. How are you gonna find Jesus with a thing that's gonna detect something based on vibration? And you need to make an impact to begin with. The exact description is you need a big enough impact that's going to bounce the vibration off of a different object. And this is going to detect it.

Cristina: He is. I don't know. Then he's looking for them. He has to be. I don't know.

Jack: I think he's looking for the Elysians.

Cristina: That's the only thing. What else is there that they're looking for?

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I definitely do find this really weird.

Cristina: There's something that needs to be found. I don't know what it is.

Jack: He's tracking something for sure.

Cristina: The apples? No. But they're not underwater. Are they underwater?

Jack: And this is just in China. Minus the Shinto gates. The Shinto gates just so happens to be connected. Because the problem is in India and Persia. Many, many, many narratives of these religious individuals then getting through China. Less of it. Less, less, less, less, less. And then very sciency science. Science Y But the more west we go again it gets very religious. Until we start making it all the way literally into the core of the Persian Gulf and then heading farther towards Egypt and those locations. Then it starts getting sciency again. There's an intentional religious center there. And I just find that a curious fact. I don't know why. And became sciency again. And I don't know it was very intentional or There was no point to making science in those regions or the resources required to do it weren't present or something. I don't know. I don't know.

Cristina: I don't know. Because isn't more on what the people saw. Like it wasn't him doing anything. Like maybe me.

Jack: Fair enough. At this point, you would argue that he wasn't even trying to convince anybody of anything. He was just traveling.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There were a few things that mattered to him and the rest were just random things he was doing walking through.

Cristina: Yeah. Like some of them saw these miracles. But maybe like the other people, maybe they didn't. They looked past the miracles. They're like, look at all the science stuff.

Jack: Maybe many people didn't even see miracles. Maybe they just saw a guy come through.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If he's traveling. Yeah. Anyways, you guys can let us know what you think about any of this stuff of this random. Same description wanderer. That shows.

Cristina: What is he doing with that paper?

Jack: No, not the paper with the seismic. That's a really weird one.

Cristina: Yes, that. That's really the weird one.

Jack: Anyways, if you want to let us know what ideas you have on this stuff, you guys can message us on our socials on TikTok, on Instagram, on. On X and Facebook @justconvopod.

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Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

February 24, 2024

Rambling 263: Christ's Goal

February 24, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why did Jesus want followers? What was the point of his teachings? Do we know where he went? The duo unpack the first layer of Jesus’ intentions, focusing primarily on motive, teachings and plan. A discussion that reveals much more than the duo anticipated!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Jesus Christ
Lessons and Teachings
Possible Aliases
Intentions
Contradictions and Explanation
Beginning and Ending

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanities. Most absurd and baffling ideas.

Cristina: That's what we do here every day, all day.

Jack: Every day, all day. That's our job. That's our duty. Is that what we do? I guess. I guess we ground it so that you can process how crazy it is. What's that emoji of the Tim and Eric guy? Mind blown. Mind blown. Then it's like space. Oh, he does the mind blown thing. And then like, space and stars and, like, the universe coming into existence or whatever. That's essentially what we do here. And a lot of the time, or at least for, like, it feels like years at this point. I know it hasn't been years. It's been like, a year and some change, but it feels like a lifetime. Talking about the Elysians, the crazy size of the rabbit hole we have fallen into. But our job is to research.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So inevitably. Yeah, inevitably. Inevitably. There's. There's nothing. There's nothing we can do about this. If it's worth reporting on, then we must report on it. So as we're digging, we always come up with questions, and there's always questions that, say, lingering. And one of the main questions that we have ignored for a really long time was really associated with Jesus. We've made assumptions, left it hanging, cut it, left it where it was, walk away. And we're like, this is what's happening. But we recently realized that Jesus made a stop in China.

Cristina: Mm. Very random.

Jack: Yeah, like, very weird. Before going to Japan to build some Shinto gates, like, what the h*** is happening? So I was like, how do we track this guy? Like, what really happened? We've discussed everything else. I don't know if his point is relevant other than just like, I. I don't know. I don't know what's relevant. I don't know. It's relevant. So I'm like, whatever. Any leads? A lead, right? Like, it's better than nothing. So I'm like, okay, let's look at Jesus. But how?

Cristina: How?

Jack: Yeah, I'm wrapping my head around, like, how do we track you, dude? How do we find you? Where do I go? There's no wrapping.

Cristina: You go to China?

Jack: No, we already mess with the quantum computer. So that's where my mind went. So I go to the quantum computer and I Tell it, hey, can you tell me what is a way that I could use to track Jesus? What? And the quantum computer says back, well, you can use the application method that other people or the philosophies and other religions apply in order to like theologists and whatever, trying to decipher what came from what, which is compare and contrast when anything is identical. I'm like, what do you mean?

Cristina: Yes, what do you mean?

Jack: So the quantum computer suggests, well, characteristics that line up. Use scientific method to remove anything that doesn't matter. And once you have a pattern forming of things that are left behind. And so I'm like, okay, run that equation. And then it's like, okay, in all of these different religions and all of these different philosophies within the same region are different named individuals who seem to fit exactly the same characteristics.

Cristina: For Jesus.

Jack: For Jesus, we're talking of a virgin or holy or some terminology of purity. Woman who had the child, who is some special divine individual. And the same child around the same age dies and this different ways, but the same. Around the same time. And the same child comes back, comes back. So I'm like, okay, you hit something. Fine. Okay, let's follow this then. And we do follow this into these different individuals. And some more than one. There's several individuals, okay. And many of them, according to these narratives, existed at exactly the same time in different places, though different, not necessarily even different places. It's stories of a guy from wherever. Okay, so not necessarily. Maybe they're just. Maybe they'll adjust it and be like, oh, yeah, from over there, where we barely go. But all of these stories are surrounding Israel. They're in Egypt, they're in Northern Africa, they're in China, they're in. So these individuals, okay, have gone there. And so I thought that was fascinating. And we're gonna definitely jump through that very briefly. But what's more important is the path this man took and why, which is what we need to figure out based on whatever information we have.

Cristina: Okay, so where did he start? Well, I guess we know where he started.

Jack: We know where he started. But here's what's interesting and we'll circle back to it chronologically. But where he ended is so much more important. It brings me so much joy.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That where he ended. And also it seems he is immortal.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like, yes, he definitely had that going on. I established that once I broke the 150 year gap following his steps.

Cristina: 150 year gap, yes, after I broke.

Jack: That amount of time and he s**** on that amount of Time, not like his grandfather. Like I still don't understand even just Jehovah seems to have disappeared. And I can't. Like he's definitely not older than 20, 000 years gone. Meanwhile Granddaddy millions, which doesn't make sense. Which doesn't make sense. And his dad came and went as some background noise like Yahweh. Yeah, whatever. Okay, you did nothing in your life. You were mentioned by nobody. Just the Jews once. Like what, bruh? Come on, homie, what's going on? Put your son powerful doing things. Your granddaddy out there making moves.

Cristina: Unless that's more than one person.

Jack: Unless that's more than one person. Unless that's more than one person. Who knows? Who knows.

Cristina: But not with Jesus is for sure. One guy who's living forever.

Jack: It seems to be okay, so it has to be right because the narrative is too exactly the same. We don't have stories of loi, not many two or three instances and brief mentions, mentions here and there. But we don't have any extensive hard hitting. This is a fact. Look over there. And here's the proof. And there's the thing. Like we could see. The closest we got are these pipes that maybe or maybe not.

Cristina: Okay, that's it.

Jack: Maybe. Or maybe not. The end. Maybe he wasn't involved in that. His society for sure. Was he? I don't know. They many of them, who knows. But there's a thing called Mithra. Mithras. And Mithras is essentially fitting all the same characteristics as Jesus with the most important point being of the Virgin Mary that literally in their own language, the word her name when you translate it is the same word we would use for Mary. So it was Virgin Mary. And Mithras was an individual in Mesopotamia.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Okay, there was some other thing called Mani. And Mani was an Iranian prophet and the founder of Manichaeism, which essentially is a faith. Now the spiritual teachings of this individual similar. Him and Mithras had almost identical teachings according to what people report about these individuals.

Cristina: These are two different people.

Jack: No, I think everybody I'm telling you about is the same guy going. I think this is the. I don't know if he was going by aliases.

Cristina: Okay, but that would make it make sense.

Jack: That would make sense. But at least in their language, this is how they were referring to these individuals. And between Many and Mithras we have the following. They both had teachings like Jesus and preached messages of love and peace and spiritual enlightenment in the same area, in the same general vicinity. Now both of these Individuals emphasize the importance of living virtuous lives and seeking salvation through divine grace. Now, in the case of Christianity and in the case of Manichism, Manicheism, whatever, and the teachings of Mithras, these three individuals shared the idea that they believed in essentially the shadow realm and would consistently talk about, if you want to be released from this life, then you must stay away from bad things, and bad things are whatever trap you in the cycle of life. Now, a lot of these things are what make their way into the beliefs of Hinduism. Right.

Cristina: But what are they saying about the shadow realm?

Jack: Well, the shadow realm is where you go if you do bad things. And the bad things would be presumably doing things like adrenochrome and, I guess, things that would expose you to some of these situations that would then allow you to not permanently die and not just die, but thinking about some of these ancient texts and some of these descriptions of the shadow realm and then comparing and contrasting them with all the different variations we've seen of like, h*** and Helheim and all these other different instances that are the same. You know, the heaven, the h***, the limbo, or whatever the crap. Thinking about that, when we talk about the shadow realm and the processes that are potentially there, it makes sense that everybody was talking about the same process. All philosophies break down into what, including Christianity. The Earth is h***. Oh, right. And so that tells us a lot if you're going somewhere else, but you're staying here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're telling us that the shadow realm and earth realm were both the same thing. It's in the writing.

Cristina: They're h***.

Jack: It's the same. But h*** is more of a circumstance, isn't it? Because h***, in this case would be the visualization that everybody's talking about burning and screaming and suffering. But what does that look like if not somebody who's had adrenochrome and stopped? Okay, interesting. Right.

Cristina: Well, there's then a heaven. What is that?

Jack: The heaven would be freedom, I guess, being freed from this thing. I think heaven isn't literal. I think heaven was just the opposite to this torture they knew of.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So it's like, we don't know what it is, but it must be better than this torture. You go, yeah. And they could see the torture, and they know of it. And people coming back as twisted, contorted ghosts and things like that. Horrible monsters made of people they used to know and creatures that were once theirs and things that were once normal but just twisted and turned into whatever. And enough catastrophe or fear happens it's the Middle Ages, and you don't know know what the h*** is in the woods. And there's some monsters screaming, and it's really just a bear, but you get f****** scared because you don't know what the f*** it is and you've never heard it before. Enough fear gets generated. And now some crazy, like a werewolf that had too much adrenochrome comes through, and you got a wet judge over here, and you're like, demons and s***. That's h***. It's all h***. It's all depictions of h***. It's the descriptions we have of h***. It's just things that have always been happening and in front of our faces.

Cristina: Yeah. So wait, the shadow realm is h***, but so is Earth.

Jack: So is Earth. Because h*** is the process, if it goes wrong, that you should stay away from and you should want to die anyways, because that's what gives.

Cristina: Are they talking about people drinking blood, though?

Jack: They're talking about people doing bad things.

Cristina: Okay. But not that specifically.

Jack: I don't know. Because then the argument becomes very contradictory when you think of how many of these religions. And this is another part where both Mithras and Manny come into play. They preach a lot about this unity in dining, in drinking symbolic things and eating symbolic things, which is uncontradictory because obviously what you're talking about is eating and drinking adrenochrome.

Cristina: Are you sure? Is that the blood of Christ?

Jack: Yes. Which is adrenochrome.

Cristina: Okay, Yeah, I guess it is the same.

Jack: That's where the problem lies.

Cristina: Telling you not to do that, but.

Jack: Then telling you to do that, but it's specifically.

Cristina: I don't know, Somehow it's different, because they want to control those people. It's like, you can't have other blood. You can't have random blood. You have to have my blood.

Jack: But the question is, why? What's the difference? Elysian blood. He's doing something weird to them. He's doing something weird to them. It's Alician blood. We never thought about this. Oh, my God. We never thought about this, dude. It was very important that he con people out of specific things. So let's follow the pro. Oh, my God. Let's follow the thought here.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: The Elysians come out. They're like, f*** this kid. They run away, hide where they're gonna hide, make sure he can't get to them. They establish Christianity, the Catholic Church, then with Peter, right? And they make the Knights Templar. Jesus, on the other hand, goes out of his way to confiscate that same movement, thus creating weird division. In fact, what happened with Jesus is a lot of sort of what happened, I guess, opposite to Arthur, which is Arthur had many narratives hitting him because of the original narrative created by Merlin and then the narrative created later by the lady of the Lake, which was the confusing situation that led to him doing the thing while Jesus is confiscated the same way the lady of the Lake confiscated the narrative that already existed. So Jesus comes and confiscates the narrative built around him by the Catholic Church using his ex homie Peter, and at the rule of the Elysians, with the help of the Knight Simpler. He still manages to con a bunch of people into they have to drink his. He made the strongest movement of this. So this is like struggling, right? This is a bad. The Catholic Church.

Cristina: You think it's his blood specifically, though, that's somehow different because he's an elution, not because he's special in many other ways.

Jack: No. Something about Elysian blood is affecting the people. And he figured this out. Alicia and adrenochrome is somehow different. And we never considered the fact that.

Cristina: Do you think he just figured that out or do you think that Alicia knows about that and there.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I know that. That Jesus Christ went out of his way to tell people specifically or his followers, even if there's no message. We know directly of his mouth saying, but not to follow anyone else. Don't do this, don't do that. All of which is evil. All these rituals are evil. All blood drinking is evil. All this is evil. All that's evil. Satanic. Oh, it's Satanic.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: Meanwhile, you're telling your people to do the same thing. It just so happens to be your blood.

Cristina: But is it because it's so hard to say that it's because he's an Elysian and it's Elysian blood or it's his specifically because he's just. He's just different.

Jack: But I mean, I guess also, yes, he's very different because he's different.

Cristina: So is his blood just a little bit different than their blood or is it exactly the same? Like, how would we know? We need stories of lesions sharing their blood or something to humans or something. Like there has to have been some Aletians that were into blood stuff too. As though we always assumed that they were always above that and didn't touch blood at all because they had other things. But even Jesus had other things, but that didn't stop him from using his blood on his victims?

Jack: I don't know, man. Jesus is so complicated.

Cristina: So were they also experimenting with blood? Like, even though. Like, they probably didn't drink blood, like, they were smart enough to probably know, like, we're gonna get addicted or whatever, that doesn't stop it from them knowing people get addicted to it. Like, someone had to have tried it. There's no way. No lesion in history didn't go down that path.

Jack: No, for sure. Okay, clarify that.

Cristina: Is their blood special? I just want to know that for sure. It has to be them specifically.

Jack: I don't know if it's majestic blood. Well, you know, I don't know. But it's different than human blood. The argument would be, if you got adrenochrome from a cat, is it different than if you got adrenochrome from a person? These are things you've never thought about. I guess it would have to be.

Cristina: Okay in that way. I guess. Yeah.

Jack: And then there's something particularly unique or interesting.

Cristina: Like you can still get it from the cat, though. Yes, but it would definitely not be the same if you got it from a person.

Jack: No, it would be something completely different, especially children.

Cristina: Question mark.

Jack: But, like, yeah, age seems to make a difference. Yeah, maybe. It's so sensitive. I mean, think about it. Age makes a difference. If you eat it versus you drink it, it makes a difference. If it's distilled through somebody's body, it makes a difference. Why wouldn't the species you get it from make a difference? Age makes a difference. I'm sure gender makes a difference. We think of stories of vampires. Some vampires prefer children. Some vampires prefer women. Some vampires prefer men. Different flavors.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There's just blood alone. There's different tastes. So functionally, chemically speaking, they're also different. Men have more testosterone. Females have more estrogen. The makeup of all of this stuff, whatever it might be doing, is all different.

Cristina: So, yeah, I guess it could be his lesion blood.

Jack: It could be the Elysian blood. It's specifically the Elysian blood, and that's the case here. That's what's making it so interesting to begin with. It's something about either the fact that it's Alician blood, or he's learned how to control people who've had his very blood. Or, I don't know. I don't know. There's something related to him specifically because he talked people out of all these other things. But it's. It's also complicated because. Then why is he Going around making different groups. Because that's the other problem. In all of these instances, he's traveling around and he makes a different establishment of people. Maybe the religion isn't the point. Maybe that's just an easy way to get service. Maybe he's an excellent con man. It's like, if I get followers, they just do what I want and I could get my things done and move on. Then if I ever come back, they're just here to do whatever the f*** I want. He has pockets of people everywhere, and they'll keep sending his message and his idea, so you can come back and stroll through. The goal is freedom and movement and go wherever and do whatever.

Cristina: So all these versions of Jesus, these stories that you have, they all are about that, though. They're all about, like, get. Have my body and my blood. Yeah.

Jack: Every single one of these guys has the same idea, and they're all from the same general region as discussed by the people of that area we have between Mithras and Mani specifically. That's a lot of information on its own, because these individuals, right on top of the fact that they preach the same thing and they have that same resurrection thing going on. The point of the baptism and of cleansing an individual to then be pure, this ritual of purification and that then you can die and be consumed by God or whatever the case might be.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And that's a weird thing that in Christianity, isn't worded that way, but in the teachings of Mithras and Mani, both talk about this sort of reunification with the greater thing and explain it in a way that's similar to being devoured.

Cristina: That's exactly where my mind went. Like, he wants you to be pure so he can eat you. Because, like, who doesn't want to eat pure meat? Like, the best meat is probably the best meat. If you're unpure, that's probably crappy me. Who wants that meat? Whoa.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Interesting. He's sharing his blood and body, and he may be eating you. Okay, that's weird.

Jack: He's. And I'm about to blow your mind.

Cristina: A vampire. No, we know that, but I continue.

Jack: He is to adrenochrome what Santa Claus is to fear. He spent his time prepping people so that they would willingly say, what? Sacrifice themselves for him, thinking this is the path towards liberation, when really this is an Elysian that's been genetically engineered to be better than every Elysian and then still decided to create an infinite source of adrenochrome that even the most elite of individuals has not come up with. Because even Santa Claus comes second to this because all he has is fear. Jesus has a stronger, more widespread source of individuals under many different names willing to just be eaten by him and eat him willingly back and forward. It's a war. And he's winning by miles. Well, in the darkest manner possible. Like what you can sit. He's the devil. By the definition of what people describe.

Cristina: The devil to be, I guess, yes.

Jack: He's convinced people successfully that they can sacrifice themselves to him and his entire ideology, whatever that might look like. And it's very important in every one of these religions. These are just the most identical. There are definitely conversations of him, but this idea spread globally. He can go anywhere and assume whatever name they've invented simply by the story traveling and prove, however, that it is him under whatever name and guarantee that somebody will just lay in front gladly give them whatever because he has implanted this idea so granularly into everybody's minds.

Cristina: Insane. But he did do it.

Jack: It's a story that keeps going similar to Santa Claus. Now we're talking about the big players, okay?

Cristina: But these two stories, though, are specifically about that, about him wanting them to be clean.

Jack: For this is the clarification stories, okay? These are the stories that matter because these are the stories where all the lines cross. This is a message he tried to get across very prominently, which got across in the case of his name, Jesus, when he went by Jesus, which in Persia was Emmanuel. But we know that somehow he influenced it and Jesus happened. And somehow over there happened Mithras, and somehow over here happened Mani. Many names, many places, traveling the world, establishing. And these stories move on their own. The one that grew the most is about Jesus. But that's just one of the many names. And where Jesus didn't take, there's just more likely than not a different version of himself, which was definitely him. Either the story told or him rolling up, being there for a while and making sure they had the story anyways.

Cristina: Interesting. But did he come from the same area when he came to these other locations?

Jack: Like that's the most fascinating part.

Cristina: Yes, same place.

Jack: Nobody necessarily knows exactly, but everybody's pointing in the same direction. So everybody to the far west of Asia, I mean, everybody to the east, everybody to the east of Asia is aiming towards their west. Everybody towards Europe is aiming down towards the Middle East. Everybody in Africa is aiming north west, I mean, northeast, landing us in the same area. When these stories are shared, which is that same Persian area which included Israel and all those places.

Cristina: Do you know Anything uniquely different about these stories, or are they so similar like, there is nothing?

Jack: Well, the differences are literally the part that doesn't matter because that's probably just culturally what those individuals added to the song.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: The similarities are what we can prove. We're the same individual. And like this thing about a couple of individuals having or not couple, but everybody. But he mentioned only a couple of times of purification through baptism is such a specific idea that it becomes too obviously the same individual. Like, there's no. There's no way three different random people tried to establish the same genius plan. And it follows the path that he took to. On his way to Japan. By the way, all of this seems that the point of this primarily is the fact that most of these events seems to have taken place in a route to Japan, going through the Middle east and then through Lower China area in Asia and then entering into. So his whole journey, he essentially made pockets of people to then spread the thing out. But here's the. What's weird? Here's what's weird.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And I think. I think there's a. A possibility that some harvesting is involved in here. Right. Because the concern is you're gonna eat these people. Or at least you want the ability for them to just give you. If you ever need anything. And then you also drop by really complicated technology like this ability to detect earthquakes and then predict where you need to go or what you need to do ahead of time to protect people. I guess in the interest of having the people stay around.

Cristina: Yeah. But also have to make them love you for something. Well, or whatever. Like they worship him.

Jack: Well, no, you need them alive. Dead people can't offer themselves. But not only can dead people not offer themselves to you, if you want to just cruise through a perfect world designed for you, well, you want everybody to be as technologically advanced as possible and worship you simultaneously. You want the highest level of technology you've ever seen, like the Elysians. But you want everybody to bend to you so you don't have to know how to use it. You don't have to give a f***. You just say the word and whatever the h*** you want gets done by people who do know how to use the thing. That's ultimately the goal. People who do know how to use the thing.

Cristina: But he's giving them tech from his. No.

Jack: Well, he's also making his own things.

Cristina: Making his own things. He's not getting it from anywhere. He's not getting it from the Aletians.

Jack: No. And the thing that's Telling us maybe he did come across a couple of things, you know, but what's really giving us the most information is the Shinto gates. Because he gave this to those people with purpose. Purpose that serves him.

Cristina: Yes, that's the most important part, I think.

Jack: Yes. Gates that serve him. And the belief is twisted because it's everybody serving him so good at that. Yes, everything serves him. Everything is in his favor. That's the goal. I don't think he's trying to do anything specifically other than I'm over, you know, who he is, who. He's Homelander. Everything should exist for him because he's the greatest, best thing ever. Except he can bend everybody to do it if they don't want to. I guess his tool isn't. I'm a superhero with superpowers, but I am way more advanced and I got a mind that can twist you up. I can make you think whatever the h*** I want. I have some kind of psychic influence on people.

Cristina: What his enemies were like, did he have any. Was it even possible? Like, would he just get rid of them?

Jack: I think the Elysians were the ones who tried their best. A way to control the situation.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: But it works, and we know that it works. And there's a different instance to have.

Cristina: All these different stories because, like, what if Jesus didn't get that big?

Jack: Like any of them could develop? You just. It's always you.

Cristina: And it doesn't matter if they become big, like they don't have to become worldwide. If they're just many in those locations, that's fine enough.

Jack: Yes, you know where to go because you know where you've been. Mm, simple logic. You know where to go because you know where you've been. And that's where you could do whatever you want. And anybody's gonna do whatever you want for you.

Cristina: Well then, then the. Did the Alicians make the problem worse by spreading this religion? You think he twisted it, though?

Jack: I think he twisted it. I think the religion was designed in order. Or maybe not. Maybe not, maybe not. I have no idea. I have no idea because maybe no, it was he. Jesus did do it first. And then the attack was on Jesus. First they cast him out, then they ignored him for a long a** time. Right. That he gets born out there. They're like, he. The intent was for him to be born in Cyprus, but he doesn't. And they're like, whatever. And so like, we tried to put him somewhere safe. He didn't let him be out there. And then he. At the age 30 starts to rile up. And then they're like, him. F*** his movement. He's gonna die for all his movements. Yeah, kill him. Kill him. It's too much. He's being a problem. He's being a problem.

Cristina: They have to do with that.

Jack: Maybe. Makes sense, because then Peter gets put as the spearhead, and they create a different version of his same narrative. Catholicism.

Cristina: But that was him or them.

Jack: That's Peter. In the name of Jesus, but really as directed by the Elysians. Confiscating the narrative. But somewhere within that. Again, the original texts are very specific. The original texts are very specific. All of those are public access. But somehow. And they go out of their way to talk about not doing particular things. You know, don't worship these individuals. Onto this, onto that. Think about this clearly, you know, put your faith in this. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Which were, you know, what's the attempt to manipulate here? And this individual still manages to trick people, despite the fact that the drinking blood and the eating the flesh, which is ambrosia. And it is. What is it? Ichor. Ambrosia and adrenal chrome. No, adrenochrome is what all three of them are.

Cristina: Oh, I thought that was a type 2.

Jack: No, Adrenochrome is three things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which are ambrosia and. What is it called? Ambrosia is the food. Ichor is once you've distilled it through the body of somebody else. And finally. Crap. What was the name? It was called. And nectar is the fluid.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Nectar is the fluid. Those are the three versions of adrenochrome. And he's managed to get people still convinced that despite the efforts that the Elysians put through Peter and through the Knights Templar, he still managed to, like, beat all that ideology with his cunning or whatever the crap. He has something. But he could literally brainwash people, is the other problem.

Cristina: Yes, that's what it seems like.

Jack: Yeah. And he's created some sort of a thought bug. Interesting. Interesting. Because it's more powerful than every other. Everything that everybody's doing, even while he's not involved, it keeps moving despite external efforts of any measure.

Cristina: The idea.

Jack: Yeah. People have attacked it literally through murdering the individuals. And it'll just grow on its own again.

Cristina: Mm. But it was just this specific story of Jesus being Jesus, not any of the other versions. Only one version spiraled out of control.

Jack: I would argue that many other versions got absorbed because of similarities.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we actually have stories about that exact same thing happening. Right. Like Christianity slowly consuming other religions and adopting their ideas and beliefs.

Cristina: But they also break down to different religions in a way.

Jack: Yes, but we're talking Christianity as a whole before Christianity breaks down into its own things. Christianity as a whole already has all. Is swallowing all these other things. So, okay, he convinces them of the stories wherever he goes. So he uses his ability to brainwash, which is apparently the most overpowered ability, period, and he goes. And the trip looks like starting in the Middle east, traveling through China, heading south of Asia, crossing that area of Lower Asian countries, then entering Japan. Now we know one direction of that narrative. We've never considered what happens after that. What, does he disappear in Japan? He just gets here and poof? Well, no, because we know the gates are one way. So he still had to leave Japan. So he does leave Japan and he does who knows what for who knows how long. But interesting enough, we have a spot to start looking from where, because, and I'll explain the logic here, we have to look backwards from this date because the individual I'm going to talk to you about came to be in 1469. And the narratives this man gave were very similar with the same idea and fit everything about Jesus, Mani and Mithras. This individual's name is Guru Nanak. And this individual goes. He comes from. Follow this after an enlightening awakening journey of ideas and philosophers passed down through generations, going to the Far east in Asia and then coming back to then inform the local populace. Specifically just so happens to be that this individual was informed in this manner, shape or form of collected information. And so he was preaching the exact same things in the exact same way with the exact same idea. He talked about. He talked about the idea of a infinite punishment that seemed to be very reminiscent of h*** or of going through the things that you would go through from adrenochrome and of purifying yourself consistently, because you gotta offer yourself to God. This man who came from the Far east goes to India, and that's where this man settles, by the way, out of all of these narratives that lead to the man always coming back one way or another throughout the course of time. There is one key difference about Guru Nanak, which is his death was a final death. He gave his farewell, but he died.

Cristina: He came back and then he died for real, for real, as Guru. Is that what's happening?

Jack: As Guru Nanak, he dies for real, for real.

Cristina: But there's no.

Jack: He doesn't have resurrection.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: He doesn't need resurrection.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because keep in mind what I am saying. Where does he Go.

Cristina: I don't know. Where did he go?

Jack: I just said he went to India.

Cristina: Oh. And he died in India.

Jack: He dies in India. What is India a country?

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know what you're trying to tell me.

Jack: India is a location where we get the tools that seem to be able to kill fairies. And also where it seems that the fairies, which are just people from outside the program, it seems to be where they can most easily come through and be safest through. And it. That's just so where he happens to go. And that's where he settles out. Of all the trips he took, after all the information he got, everything he did landed him in India, of all places.

Cristina: And so his final death was escaping the Matrix.

Jack: It seems to be the case, or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah. Whoa.

Jack: I mean, it would have been more whoa if you could have realized it as I'm trying to feed it to you. But I gotta walk you all the way to.

Cristina: There's too many locations with too many things happening.

Jack: Like, we were talking about India. What else is this the only thing we know about India?

Cristina: I don't remember anything about India, though.

Jack: Not. The. The only fact about India is that that's where the fairies are from, apparently. Or not from. But that's where they come through, which is interesting. India. That's where all of Shiva and Fish, New Vishu, whatever his name was, and Brahma and all these individuals. Those are fairy names, and those are all in the Indian mythos.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Those people were directly interacting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: With the people from the other side. Those were the preferred people because something about them just made it safer. I mean, the second they weren't in that area, they got massacred and then we were made.

Cristina: So fair enough, but wouldn't they be afraid of Jesus like they were afraid of that other random person?

Jack: I don't think they knew about Jesus. If they did, like, who the h*** is stopping Jesus?

Cristina: I don't know, dude.

Jack: Who the f*** is stopping Jesus? He's Skynet. He's the real Skynet. He's the Real Skynet. 100%.

Cristina: Then when did he build those things? Those things in Japan?

Jack: The Shinto gates?

Cristina: Yeah. Like, what time period was that?

Jack: Well, everything took place within three years under the name of Jesus. Everything happened between the age it was 30 and the age it was 33.

Cristina: But the stories of the Shinto gates, when were they built? We have a year that year specifically. That's a real year.

Jack: Yes. That took place in the year 20. Somewhere between 28 and 29.

Cristina: 28 and 29.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Why comparing it to this man that's.

Jack: Saying he's Jesus or whatever, this is 1450 years later.

Cristina: That's crazy. Why doesn't he live forever? I mean, no, he not leaving forever. Because he probably left. Okay, I see. Yes, yes, yes. That's why it's weird. Okay. Which also makes sense 100%.

Jack: 100%. And then what's interesting about this is if you follow the narrative and the origin to all of these stories, the original older texts don't include that re ascension moment until later rewrites of the story. This is how I announce absorbing stories, even if they keep standing. Now, the people who believe in Guru Nanak's teachings are the people of Punjab in India. And although they still exist, it seems to be the origin location, because following the 1500s is where we start to see show up in different biblical texts and interpretations of different religions the re ascension process that happens after the Resurrection.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: When he goes back up and joins whatever. Oh, the re Ascension. He dies. And then he tells his followers, I'm gonna leave you guys, and whatever.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That part wasn't part of the story originally. If you look at the text predating the ones that were written before the 14 and 1500s, you don't actually see the ascension happen.

Cristina: Oh, what?

Jack: Yeah, only the rewrites that happen after the teachings of Guru Nanak happened that got absorbed into texts. And then you get in the Bible, the mention of him going back to God and whatever.

Cristina: Originally, he just.

Jack: Just.

Cristina: He just lives for a. Pretty much. Or in.

Jack: He dies.

Cristina: He dies.

Jack: And then he comes back.

Cristina: And he comes back and then he dips out. Ah.

Jack: He just leaves. He dips. He's like, no, I'm not dying again.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But he reascends after Guru Nanak's teachings happen, where he. The only real instance that we have up into that moment of someone dying of him dying under one of these names not coming back.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And he knew he wasn't coming back. And so this literally modified all the other texts as they were written following this instance.

Cristina: Weird. Awesome. Awesome. That makes sense. That's so weird, though. Yeah. So he's Jesus or he's the last Jesus.

Jack: He's the last variant of him before he had to leave. Now, what's interesting here is we know where he landed and we know that this is presumably the same man many years later. So we have a finishing point, and we have a couple of narratives at the beginning that allows us to at least have a beginning and End where we can start working from both sides to link the entire timeline together and find out every step he took, where and why. All I need to know is the place. Then find out who he referred to himself as.

Cristina: We have all that information. Or is that for next week?

Jack: That's to find. That's the date. Those are the questions that have come up. Oh, by looking at Guru Nanak.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: And looking at money and looking at Mithras on top of the fact that there are others. But these individuals were so exact that it was unquestionable that they were the same individual, Jesus or whatever. Because Jesus is just, again, a name for him as well, which was wrong one. It's part of the narrative. We know his actual name was Emmanuel. We know that's his actual name. The part of twisting it is Emmanuel is an Alicia name that they couldn't get rid of and it's still bouncing around. So is Mary, ironically, and Joseph, A couple of Alicia names out there that just exist today. And so Emmanuel is one of them. And they tried their best to change it to Jesus, but it doesn't matter. Fascinating. And we have places to look.

Cristina: Yeah, we.

Jack: We can connect these two dots. I'm confident of it, because we have a beginning point and we have an ending point. We know he's actually not in the system. Bare minimum. He can forever access the system and has no reason to interact. He's in God level now and has no reason to interact with us.

Cristina: No, I don't think so.

Jack: But it helps to have all this thing happening. Adrenochrome. We still have to make it. Make it some sort of code or information.

Cristina: It still makes no sense.

Jack: But anyways, that's what we got. That's where we are. That's what we have. And those are the doorways we gotta, like, walk through.

Cristina: I feel like we figured something out.

Jack: We figured a couple of things out.

Cristina: About Jesus.

Jack: About Jesus. About Jesus. Settle. Setting groups up, essentially being like Santa Claus, but for adrenaline.

Cristina: Until he decided to leave forever.

Jack: Yes. Unless he's still using those things. Anyways, if you guys have any comments, questions, concerns relative to any of this stuff, you can hit us up on all our socials at. Just convopon on Twitter, on TikTok, on Instagram, on, I guess Twitter's X now on Facebook.

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August 20, 2022

Rambling 189: Poke Christ

August 20, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

Is Pikachu the chosen one? Is Ash just in the right place at the right time? Which is the God of gods in the poke world? The duo decides to unpack whether or not Ash and Pikachu are exceptional individuals chosen by the gods of their world or if they are merely the luckiest duo of all time.

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Topics Discussed:

Pikachu
Pokemon Gods
Pikachu’s Strange Level
Lucky or Chosen?
Who created humans?
Who created the pokemon?

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: Now. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I had to stop in order to make the statement. So what were we just talking about? We were talking about. The statement I was about to make is that Ash Ketchum is not just lucky, but it's so absurd. And I'm about to give you an example of what really is happening. And then you can be like, yeah, that's kind of like, what? Whoa. What the f***? He's chosen, right? He's more important than all. So imagine if you're just walking down the street one day and you hear voice. If you look around, everybody just frozen in place right now, and a giant light is beaming down from heaven, and a voice is telling you, I am God, and I'm talking to you. Hey, you're cool guy. I just wanted you to know. And, yeah, just be chill and do you. And so if he proved to you, you know, or you're f****** hallucinating on some crazy other s***. But okay, Ash is similar to this, because this same example guy then just goes a week about his life and f****** Zeus comes out of the sk. Lands right in front of him, and he's like, yo, who? Zeus.

Cristina: Zeus. Okay?

Jack: He's like, before we had Jehovah, Christian, like, Cloud God, we didn't see anything and was. You know, he likes to be. He works in mysterious ways or whatever he does. But Zeus. Zeus is confrontational. You know, that's what we know of him.

Cristina: You're comparing legendary Pokemon to gods, right?

Jack: Because in the world that Ash Ketchum exists, he's interacting with literally the gods that made everything.

Cristina: Yes, all of them.

Jack: And it's casual. It's like, completely by accident, but not really campy because the. It's like Moses saw God once. We've been talking about him for 2000 years. That's how. Whoa, dude, you saw God? What? Ash has seen every God, some of them multiple times.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yes. Whoa. Who the f*** is Ash? Should we. Should we be even worried with gods, when really we should be, like, wondering what the h*** Ash Ketchum is?

Cristina: He's Jesus.

Jack: He's greater than Jesus, is made by Jehovah, and Jehovah is some s*** that Ash Ketchum can casually mean. That's an afterthought for Ash Ketchum. Who's met creator of Gods.

Cristina: Yes. He's. No, it's ridiculous. It is ridiculous.

Jack: It's crazy, right?

Cristina: I don't know. But then what is he? He's not just a normal person.

Jack: He's. He's definitely not a normal person.

Cristina: And it's not just luck. It's two. It's.

Jack: It's two.

Cristina: It's not.

Jack: Okay, look. We can say that there's that one person who got hit by lightning seven times in his life, right? And we're like, that's crazy. That's nuts.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: Once is amazing. You got there seven times.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: And somehow still no dude. God. 50, 60 times. Different ones. Not even the same one. It's not just multiple times. Some of them. Yeah, it's not just I made friends with God and I'm seeing the same God. Because then there's no. You were just wandering. And hey, God showed up a different God when I've never met.

Cristina: That's crazy. That is pretty crazy. Like, Goku has a work for it. Ash is just like. I stumbled upon another one.

Jack: Yes, exactly, exactly, exactly. Think about that. Yeah. Goku has to become so powerful that godlike creatures feel his energy and seek him out.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: Ash?

Cristina: He has to have some type of energy thing going on.

Jack: It's just wandering.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know his power level.

Jack: But. But this does make me think. Okay, okay. Maybe there is a power here.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Maybe Ash Ketchum actually has a power. Maybe there is an actual explanation behind why he encounters all these gods. Not just gods. It's not just gods. It's all the special everythings that exist. And it doesn't matter what the f*** it is. It's all of them. God.

Cristina: But most of the time he runs into them. I don't know if this helps or hurts this case. I don't know. But like he runs into the people trying to catch the God. Also, it's not just the God was hanging out or anything. It's like these people are trying to ruin the world because they're evil. But they also are trying to fight for freedom because they're not evil. They're confused villains. Or maybe they're not villains. I don't know what they. They people see them as villains because they want to kill people. But usually. Right? Is that the plan? They usually want to like recreate the world in a different way. You know, all these villains are the same story.

Jack: Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

Cristina: You know what I'm talking about though.

Jack: Yes. Okay. Because I now I have so many questions. Because. Yes, you're right. But also he's not chasing Team Rocket.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And look, Team Rockets also not chasing.

Cristina: Yes, they are.

Jack: Over the Pikachu. No, but that's a different.

Cristina: Those specific to.

Jack: I guess they're rogue.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. The actual Team Rocket. Real. The real team. No.

Jack: Yeah, the real team doesn't care. These are just like the lackeys been sent after Ash. Yeah, but like the real big corporation or whatever crime syndicate they are. Yeah, those people, they don't care. Both. Right. They're like a business and crime. Something. I don't know what the business is, but he has like an office building or something.

Cristina: I don't know. He's also a gym leader.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Like he's a guy or something.

Cristina: He's a mayor. He's. He's doing everything.

Jack: Yeah, he's doing stuff. Oh, he's a mayor.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, maybe. Like it checks out. Why not? But like if, if, if the bigger team Rocket. The big actual corporation syndicate. Crime syndicate. Bad guys. The bad guys. Yeah, the bad guys. Team Rocket. They're not chasing Ash and Ash isn't chasing them. How the h*** is he always so free? It's still weird. It's still.

Cristina: It is weird.

Jack: So there's so many coincidences.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And like. Okay, let's. Let's give Team Rocket credit. If they're not just happening upon these creatures themselves. Because you're telling me that these Team Rocket guys are so efficient that they're tracking down gods?

Cristina: No, actually it's a bunch of. There's a bunch of teams. Evil teams. Okay. Let's call them evil teams. They're all after one God. And Ash happens to run into all these teams eventually and these gods that.

Jack: They'Re after, but he always runs into them by first coming across the freaking God. He never meets the God first in a bad situation. It's always like, oh, hey, I stumbled. And he doesn't even know it's a God. Usually it's like, hey, there's a Pokemon I've never seen before. And he's.

Cristina: And then he discovers the team that's after it or whatever afterwards.

Jack: Because he goes and he like enters the town.

Cristina: I don't even know if they're all called team, are they?

Jack: And he talks to the people of the town and the people of the town tell him, oh yeah, the legendary whatever is being chased by this people who want to do evil. And then he's like, oh, wait, I think I met the thing.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: That's always how it goes. And it's like, bro, how. Yeah. One, how the creature. Two, how specifically the creature who's specifically being chased at this time. It's like you're. You're destined. You're the savior or something.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. He said Jesus to the gods. I don't know. Like. Yeah, you know, like, Jesus is our savior.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Like, he's. He's that. To the gods. Yes. It's always when they need him, when they're in a struggle that no one else can. Like, what is the chances that he's there when they need him? Or will they need help?

Jack: Yeah. It's him and Pikachu.

Cristina: It's not even Pikachu. I think he's more lucky than Pikachu. I think even with or without Pikachu, he'd. No, they've always been. I think there has been. Yeah. But I also think Pichu has met gods without.

Jack: Yes. He's just wandered. It might be the f****** Pikachu. There might be something up with that Pikachu. It's not even Ash. Think about the likelihood. No, no, because Ash was just walking to get that Pikachu.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: When he. The first thing he saw was a legendary Pokemon right off the bat.

Cristina: Are you positive?

Jack: Yes. Was the first thing he saw. He walked outside. Wait, no, it might have been the end of the episode here.

Cristina: He might have already had Pikachu. So that means. Might be the legendary attractor attracted to these gods. Oh, my gosh. Pikachu is Jesus to the gods or whatever.

Jack: Well, he's a Pokemon himself.

Cristina: Yeah, that makes more sense.

Jack: And. And. And he's the humblest of Pokemon because he. He does not want to become greater. He wants to just be.

Cristina: Oh, what?

Jack: Whoa. Is there. Hold on, hold on. Is there a hidden story behind this Pikachu? For real? For real. Because this does make. This does kind of check out. He's meeting gods, solving their problem without fail.

Cristina: But he's not the one solving. It's really Ash solving it. But it's through the friendship with Pikachu that he solves it. Is that even more complicated? Like, you know with the Mewtwo movie where he had to. He was frozen. Oh, no. That was Pikachu saving him. Well, it was everyone combination. Crying saved Ash, but Pikachu was one of them, so Pikachu saved Ash.

Jack: Okay, okay. What happened in that movie, in that moment?

Cristina: Did Mewtwo turn him into stone?

Jack: I. With his mind? I don't know. I don't understand.

Cristina: I'm sure that's the Pokemon power that no one uses, because it's probably against the law. It's too.

Jack: It's too plot convenience.

Cristina: Yeah, it's too evil, dude.

Jack: And then what? Okay, okay. Let's say. Let's just say. Let's just say f*** it. Yes. There's a Pokemon that just has the power to turn s*** to stone. And of course, maybe it's illegal, but there's somebody out there rogue, using it.

Cristina: Yeah, great.

Jack: How do you undo it? So you cry and then they just fall out of rock.

Cristina: Yeah, maybe the water melts the rock away.

Jack: These people were standing away. They weren't like, all hovering over his body, raining.

Cristina: Maybe that was a different Pokemon attack. I don't know. Is there attack where water happened? They were doing that attack. What is it?

Jack: No, they weren't. Because it wasn't water. It wasn't just falling down. It was like it was water glowing towards him. And then he, like, came.

Cristina: It, like, warmed up the rock to use his ability. He has a water ability because he's.

Jack: Jesus. Look, there's something happening here. Pikachu did something. It's like the fish to bread or whatever the h***. There was a change of something happening here. And, like, those other creatures don't have these powers.

Cristina: Normally I thought it was Meelo that did it, but I can't really remember.

Jack: Oh, crap. You're probably right.

Cristina: But they were all doing it. So, like, was it Mew. Was it all of their power?

Jack: Like, here's the thing. They're in a moment shared with, like, a God, a. A Jesus of sorts. Then even if they don't have the ability, maybe just being in his presence allows them to do this thing, you know?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so they all have cry him out of stone powers for that moment. Yeah, exactly. Because they're in the energy field or whatever.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Makes sense, right?

Cristina: He is the chosen one.

Jack: He is the chosen one. He definitely is the chosen one.

Cristina: How do you know? It's hard between Ash and Pikachu, but it has to be Pia too, right? It makes way more sense.

Jack: I mean, the problem is they're both around each other all the freaky. At least all the time we get to witness.

Cristina: Except Pikachu did have that random movie.

Jack: He always has adventures all along. And sometimes on those adventures, he comes across legendary Pokemon.

Cristina: Yes. So I wonder, though, like, if we saw Ash's point of view, because I haven't seen all of Pokemon stuff, of course. So I don't know if there's Pokemon movies where Ash, for Some reason isn't with Pikachu and some crazy thing happens. I have no idea.

Jack: Interesting. I don't think that exists. But the question you're asking is valid. We've seen Pikachu adventures without Ash, but we've never seen Ash adventures without Pikachu. If we did, would it be boring or would it be the same?

Cristina: It would probably be the same. Okay, so I guess not, because there hasn't been any. That must mean that his life isn't as interesting without Pikachu. Even if he did have his solo adventures without Pikachu, we haven't seen that.

Jack: Which means. Yes, it's not exciting. Nothing happens whenever he's not around Pikachu.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Only when he's around Pikachu does it happen. Interesting. Interesting. And that's a fact, because as the viewer, we're seeing the highlight reel.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the highlight reel is always with Pikachu.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Not always with Ash, so. Or like, Ash is always there. But we've seen Pikachu go up. No, Ash isn't always there because Pikachu has had adventures without him.

Cristina: Yeah. So Pikachu is the main character.

Jack: Definitely. Pikachu is the main character. It's not Ash.

Cristina: He's a chosen one.

Jack: Yes. Because at the beginning of films, a lot of the time, Pikachu goes on a weird adventure.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it's just Pikachu.

Cristina: Yeah. But the only reason we focus on Ash so hard is because he is really this chosen human.

Jack: Yes. And we love that he's a chosen human. He's an apostle.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He hangs out.

Cristina: Because you chose him, though, in a way. Like, I know in the beginning, Pikachu seemed like he didn't like him and he want to be owned and whatever that drama that Pikachu had. But at the same time, what if it wasn't a coincidence? I don't know.

Jack: I mean, I think so. I think Pikachu, like, it's not even.

Cristina: A normal starter Pokemon. What's the chances that Ash would get a Pokemon that's not even a starter Pokemon?

Jack: Well, anybody could have. But maybe this was, you know, the destiny thing.

Cristina: Exactly. It was his destiny. He should have had a Charmander Escorter or what was the other? Bulbasaur.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: But they ran out.

Jack: Yeah. It was already a weird circumstance where he comes across a Pokemon because they ran out of all the Pokemon.

Cristina: So then in the end of the day, Ash is special. So is Pikachu. Pikachu is more special.

Jack: Well, Pikachu is actually special. The question is, is Ash Just right place, right time.

Cristina: Yes. He's the most lucky. He's just lucky.

Jack: Maybe. Yeah. And then he's just luck. And Pikachu is the chosen one.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And Ash just happened to be so lucky. He was where he needed to be to be the right hand of the chosen one.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: It could have been anybody.

Cristina: It could have been Gary.

Jack: It could have been Gary. It almost was exactly.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Gary was one Pokemon away, but Ash.

Cristina: Was the lazy one, and his laziness got him Pikachu.

Jack: Yes, yes.

Cristina: So he's. Yeah, I guess he's. So who's Jesus? He's Jesus.

Jack: Then also, quick veering off here for a second. But, like, we get to see three different universes there. That's a weird God point. God's point of view when. When you choose one. And Gary, like, when you're the early one because Ash is late, but Red is early, he beats at least his Gary there. And you get to choose first between the three Pokemon, and you pick one, and then your G picks the opposite one, Red for, you know, water, fire, grass, or whatever the h***. And it's like, we get to see all three possibilities play out because we got a God's point of view. Just pointing that out.

Cristina: What are the three different point of views?

Jack: Three different point of views?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We have the point of view of.

Cristina: If Ash started with a different poke starter.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And how that would play out.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Like, had he chosen Charmander or had he chosen Bulbasaur? Or had he chosen Squirtle?

Cristina: So he'd be great. Pretty much. Because he wins. He's a winner, right?

Jack: Well, yeah, he would anyways. But we get to see all three options of his life in, like, the games and stuff. We get to, like, look through that. Anyways, so Pikachu is the chosen one. Ash is the lucky one who happened to be present when this happens. But all of it is due to Ash solving the problem. What does Pikachu do that solves the problem? Because we need Pikachu present in order for the miracles to happen or the rare events to happen. Maybe Pikachu is who is the lucky one. Well, no, because we've still seen Pikachu around the gods alone without Ash.

Cristina: But when Ash saw that bird Pokemon that. I don't know how to say its name right, because I'm gonna say it, and it's wrong. Ho, ho, ho. Oh, ho. Oh, I hate it. Ho ho. But it was Ash who saw Hoho, not Pikachu.

Jack: But he already had Pikachu and Pokeball.

Cristina: No, no, he never had.

Jack: He was just walking around.

Cristina: No, I think Pichu was Passau or something. Or. I don't know.

Jack: But his. He doesn't need the. So you tell me his power only works when he's conscious?

Cristina: No. Well, but the luck. Use. If you see it, you get luck. It means, you know, luckiness. Right.

Jack: For Ho.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. Hoho brings luck.

Jack: No freaking way.

Cristina: Some. Yeah, I guess not. Hoho brings eternal happiness. Eternal happiness.

Jack: Eternal happiness. Yes. That's what actually brings.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So was the point gonna be?

Cristina: Well, if it was luck, then Ash is the luckiest person alive. Because of Hoho?

Jack: Because he saw Ho. Oh, but, but. But he's also not eternally happy.

Cristina: How do you know? When has he ever been sad? He has been sad.

Jack: But he's a lot like Goku. He's the most.

Cristina: Yes, he had. He's got Goku's personality. They're the same guy.

Jack: That single one drive that keeps him happy.

Cristina: Yeah. It's not even fighting. It's just. I don't even know.

Jack: In the case of Ash collecting.

Cristina: Collecting. I don't even know if he's into collecting either.

Jack: Not even like. No, he's not. He really is just trying to be the best math. Like trainer.

Cristina: No, he's not.

Jack: Yeah, he. All he does is follow the path of fighting Pokemon.

Cristina: But he's so bad at it.

Jack: Yeah, but he has no other drive. He doesn't have to be good for it to be, I guess.

Cristina: But I don't feel like that's his real passion. I feel like maybe just adventuring is his passion. Just traveling. Like, he loves meeting new people, meeting new Pokemon, stuff like that. But I don't know.

Jack: You're totally right. That's totally true. Because he's always like on boats and planes across the world, just enjoying life, meeting new sight. He loves. Yeah, he does. He just wants to see new Pokemon.

Cristina: Yeah, like he'll fight and whatever. Like with everyone he meets. But that's not his passion, I think. But he loves it. He love. No, I don't know. He does love it and just sucks at it. But he loves it.

Jack: Yeah, and Pikachu sucks at it too.

Cristina: Yeah. You could be a God and suck at fighting, I guess.

Jack: Yeah, the rules, I mean. Yeah, he's not a God himself.

Cristina: He's a mortal.

Jack: He's just a mortal. They're all. They're both mortals there.

Cristina: Yes. He's just Pikachu. Super lucky. Yeah, that's the point.

Jack: Well, Pikachu isn't super lucky. Pikachu what was Pikachu? He's a chosen one. Now the question is, what was he chosen to do other than just, like, help? Like, Jesus shows up. And Jesus has a special, like, overall goal. He's going to free the spirits of the sinners, and all their sins will be forgiven. What's Pikachu's goal for, you know, God. Godmon. Godmon.

Cristina: He's trying to show the God's Pokemons to not destroy the world. Like, look at Ash. He's a good guy. And then they're like, whoa, he's a good guy. Humans aren't that bad.

Jack: So he's essentially the spirit of, like, the forest or something. But it's the spirit of the Pokemon.

Cristina: Yeah. He's fighting for humans pretty much. He's. Because these bad guys who want to ruin the earth by getting these legendaries to do it for them, those legendary Pokemon will probably be cool with it because they're like, we hate humans. Look at these humans. They're bothering us or whatever. Like, we should destroy it like Mewtwo, like others.

Jack: But Mewtwo is a whole crazy thing, because Mewtwo is essentially what you get when you cross God and science.

Cristina: That's pretty cool.

Jack: Yeah. That's nuts. They didn't know. They just saw this strange, unique Pokemon.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Somehow caught it, somehow got a sample, and that led to what we know as Mewtwo.

Cristina: Mm. That's pretty awesome.

Jack: It just makes no sense. You replicated, like, Mew just has DNA.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, these gods are physical beings in.

Jack: This world, so he literally made everything not in their image, but of, like, their same stuff.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. So. So, yeah. I think that's what Pikachu's goal is. Just to show gods that humans aren't.

Jack: That bad, I guess. I guess. Yeah.

Cristina: Like, Jesus. Come on. He's showing. He's like, I want to sacrifice myself for these humans.

Jack: Except Jehovah is all the God Pokemon.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. But still, Jesus wants to sacrifice himself for humans or something.

Jack: What an extremely Shinto concept.

Cristina: What?

Jack: The whole nature is fighting humans for their involvement in hurting nature.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Very Shinto. To think that would happen. But it's happening in that world. Yeah.

Cristina: So that's why I think. That's what. I think what Pikachu is trying to do besides saving these gods in their random moment of weakness that he just happens to be around.

Jack: Yes. That's. Oh, man. Is that there's so much. The problem is that are coincidences that can't be compensated for at all, because how is he all the Time at random, showing up exactly when he's needed. He really is a chosen one. He's there when they need him. And from his point of view. And I think this probably happened to Jesus a lot, too. It's always like, hey, Jesus showed up just when I needed him to. But maybe Jesus wasn't like, hey, I' ma consciously go there. I'm just like, jesus was just living life.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The way Jesus does. But because Jesus is the chosen one, he just happens to be the right place at the right time, and he does things.

Cristina: Except for that one random story, I don't know if it was after Jesus died or if he was still around the oven.

Jack: Yeah, this is the example I was thinking about. I was definitely thinking. I had it in my mind where I was just thinking about it, right? And I'm like, these guys get put in an oven because they're gonna die, and then Jesus pops up, is just there in the oven with them.

Cristina: Like, was he also being cooked first?

Jack: This just sounds like a funny joke. Like, I can picture this being in, like, a Futurama or something. The funny clip where the guys are about to be murdered and the other guy is just real excited and oblivious to the fact that he's in a furnace with himself, you know? But, yeah, so these guys are. They get thrown in here, and the. He gets turned up and they're, oh, my God, we're gonna die. Whatever. And they look to the side and, oh, Jesus, what. What are you doing here?

Cristina: He's, like, chilling.

Jack: Yeah. He's like, don't worry, you guys aren't gonna burn. But the guy's like, yo, I get that. Thanks. Like, super. Thanks, bro. Yeah, also, like, why are you here bathing? I mean, he already doesn't get bothered by the heat, so he could just have wandered in before.

Cristina: What, to get tanned? Like, they didn't have tanning booths. That was the closest thing, man.

Jack: I got a lot of questions at that point. Because, like, Jesus. That's very Lucifer. Y of you to just be like, mmm, hot.

Cristina: Was he dead, though? Was this him him or was this ghost him? Please. There's no ghost, right?

Jack: Everything is ghost him. Like, anything we see.

Cristina: There's no ghost in this book, right? Like, they don't believe in ghosts. Ghosts aren't a thing.

Jack: What, a Pokemon?

Cristina: No, in the Bible, they're like, if it's a spirit, it's an evil spirit. It's a demon.

Jack: But Jesus is a spirit. He dies and then gets resurrected. Well, I guess it's a resurrection, right? But then after he's resurrected, he dies anyways or something. And goes to heaven.

Cristina: Yes. And he just pops up randomly, I.

Jack: Guess, in furnaces and stuff.

Cristina: Was that before or after Jesus?

Jack: Well, yeah. It's interesting because I've been asked this before. Does that situation take place before Jesus? And if they did, how do they know that was Jesus to tell us in the first place?

Cristina: It happened before he died.

Jack: Yeah. Before he was born or whatever.

Cristina: Oh, before he was born?

Jack: Yeah. Like there's sightings of Jesus before Jesus's birth.

Cristina: That makes no sense.

Jack: Well.

Cristina: Or. I don't know. No way. Now I have to see. I don't know.

Jack: Okay, so we definitely couldn't find any details on that. But I'm sure if we dig deeper, we could come up with something. Yeah, but nothing so far.

Cristina: But look, Pietro is Jesus.

Jack: It seems. Yeah, it seems to be the case that Pikachu is definitely Jesus. Or ashes. One of them, it seems.

Cristina: The special or something.

Jack: Yes. The greater candidate of the two is definitely Pikachu. He seems to be there more often.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Than ashes can tell.

Cristina: Is the chosen one for Pikachu.

Jack: Yeah. We're just witnessing a strange overlap of different prophecies coming true.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: The guy who was meant to be the apostle and the guy who is the prophet.

Cristina: But I think without Ash. Because she wouldn't be able to do a lot of things.

Jack: 100%. I don't understand the argument considering that the apostles without Jesus are just guys.

Cristina: But they were doing something special. They weren't special with Jesus.

Jack: They only had the ability because Jesus. Right.

Cristina: What ability? They don't have abilities.

Jack: Miracles and stuff. The apostles?

Cristina: No, they're just dudes hanging out with Jesus.

Jack: The apostles totally made stuff happen.

Cristina: No, they. What?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: They had magic. Yes.

Jack: What are you talking about? Of course they did.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Yeah. I don't know. Well, this is.

Cristina: I didn't know. They're doing things too.

Jack: Yeah. It's like the apostles are worshiped like saints. They're almost the same thing. Except the apostles are the saints that were directly around Jesus.

Cristina: Well, also, saints can do magic and stuff.

Jack: No, I know, that's what I'm saying. The apostles are saints that just so happen to be around Jesus.

Cristina: Okay, that's it.

Jack: They're all saints.

Cristina: I didn't realize. I didn't. I didn't know.

Jack: But also magic.

Cristina: I mean, they do miracles.

Jack: Yes. Except we can't call them saints because all of them are like crips or something.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: You know, they're all like crip Gang members or some s***.

Cristina: Who?

Jack: All the apostles.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: They are. It's a crime syndicate or something. They're all like, thugged out using, like, hookers and s***.

Cristina: Whatever. But okay, so Ash is an apostle.

Jack: Is an apostle. Yeah, yeah. So Ash is an apostle. Pikachu is very Jesus. Yeah.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then there are many gods.

Cristina: Many.

Jack: And he, like the hundreds.

Cristina: No. Well, close.

Jack: Something greater must have made Pikachu. Because Pikachu is here to help things like Arceus that made everything else. So something greater that created the space within.

Cristina: Where who's Mew? Is Mew not the one that makes Pokemon.

Jack: Mew makes Pokemon?

Cristina: Yes, Mew made Pikachu.

Jack: But Mew is not more powerful than Arceus. So, no, it couldn't have been Mew directly. Pikachu must be a Pokemon created by some other force greater than Mew. Greater than all the gods. Between Mew, the bottom God, and Arceus, the top God.

Cristina: Why can't it be Mew?

Jack: Because how did Mew make something that beats the bigger God? There's something greater that made. Because again, the prophecy of Pikachu has Arceus in it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Arceus didn't make a world. And then the prophecy happened about Arceus. No, no. The prophecy is outside of Arceus control. Therefore must have been made by something equal to what made Arceus or greater.

Cristina: Are humans made from Pokemon as well?

Jack: I do not know. That is an interesting question. Okay, here it says that Mew created Pokemon. No, I created. Created humans. Mew created humans and Arceus created Pokemon. So the question is, are Mew and Arceus equals? And in this connection, are we to say Mew is Jehovah and Pikachu is Jesus?

Cristina: Yes. Mew made Pikachu. Mew had to. I know Arceus is a Pokemon maker, but Mew made Pikachu.

Jack: Yes. Because whatever is the maker of Pikachu cannot be. It must be equal to or greater than Arceus.

Cristina: Yes. I think Mew is greater. I mean, equal to Arceus.

Jack: Interesting. You think Mew can one to one take on Arceus.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And be equals.

Cristina: Yeah. We don't know much about Mew. We use. Just because he's a cute little pink guy girl thing doesn't mean he's not genderless. No, they.

Jack: They.

Cristina: They're still equal. They could still be equal.

Jack: They could totally still be equal. So how did this break down? Are Mew and Arceus actually equal? What's this connection that they have? It's fuzzy. It seems fuzzy. It's unclear.

Cristina: So it seems like Mew's Just a Pokemon.

Jack: Yeah. Sometimes it seems like Mew is just a Pokemon. Other times it seems like Mew made Pokemon. Other times it seems like Mew made humans and Arceus made Pokemon.

Cristina: But there's no clear answer, so I'm gonna go with Arceus definitely made it everything.

Jack: Yeah. I like this a lot because I like that it is vague the way it should be, because why would mortals know?

Cristina: Why would they know the whole story?

Jack: Yeah. Why could they? Why would they be able to piece it together?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, it's beyond the. The capacity of a simple mortal.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So I like that it's so fuzzy that we're like, whoa, Maybe, you know, like, it takes us there. There's no certainty. The higher up you go, there shouldn't be and there shouldn't be. Exactly. It. It feels right on paper.

Cristina: So then this mystery is gonna stay a mystery.

Jack: Yeah. I mean, who made what for sure now is Pikachu. Jesus. It seems to be. Regardless of who made Pikachu, Pikachu's goal in the universe is to save humans. Not just humans, but Pikachu's goal. Not really. It's to save Pokemon. Pikachu's always saving legendary Pokemon, not humans.

Cristina: Well, no, but I feel like his point of saving those Legendaries with Ash by him side is to show those Pokemon, like, humans aren't that bad, because those Pokemon, Legendary Pokemon, are always being attacked by humans. And they might snap and decide, like, maybe it's time to get rid of these humans. But Pikachu always has the thing, like, hey, don't do that. Look at this dude. And they're like, whoa. That dude's pretty cool. Okay. We won't destroy all humans.

Jack: So Pikachu is just a good talker, talking up Ash all the time.

Cristina: Yeah. And they're convinced they really like Ash. He's. He's such a. I don't know. Goku, dude.

Jack: Yeah. He's just happy to do the things he does.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Without really much thought given to it. Just like, yeah, I'm gonna do the thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So ashes. Yeah, I guess. But okay, so Pikachu. Jesus. And then. Man, it's so crazy. It's so crazy. He has to be. There's no way. He can't be God. Not God. But look, you know, he has to be chosen. It's too many coins.

Cristina: He is. He's definite chosen.

Jack: He has to be. He has to be.

Cristina: But there's a reason he has Ash.

Jack: So what's the reason?

Cristina: Well, the reason I just told you about huh? Of taking to show the gods that humans aren't that bad.

Jack: You're really convinced that the goal of Ash is to show that or Pikachu? No, no. I guess this is where we disagree on this. I think the existence of Pikachu is about helping the gods. You think the existence of Pikachu is to have Ash to show these gods that humans are good? I think that's Mew's goal. But now the question is, did Mew even make humans?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: And did or did Mew make Pikachu? Because if Mew made Pikachu, maybe you're right. But he also has have to have made humans. That story has to be true. He has to have made both humans and Pokemon so that he made the Pokemon that's the chosen one, and he made the human that's the chosen one. Okay, if he didn't make Ash, but he did make Pikachu, then he's just trying to help the gods because he didn't make Ash. That's not part of his prophecy.

Cristina: But Ash is important then.

Jack: Well, no, no, no. It doesn't matter whether Ash is important or not. The question is who made who would tell us the reasoning behind it to some degree, you know?

Cristina: Mm

Jack: That changes everything. Who made who? That tells us why they're doing it. If Mew made Pikachu, but did not make Ash, then he is not trying to save the humans. He's just trying to save the gods. Okay, if Mew made Ash, but not Pikachu, then he's trying to show the gods that humans are good. Okay, if he made both of them, then that story still holds up. And he has the Pokemon and the human duo that he put into motion to show the gods. But if he made neither, then what the h*** is going on with Ash now? It's only one of three. One of four or three. Yeah, one of three. Right. That would leave. That would be weird.

Cristina: Well, it would still be something. Did it? If it's not Mew, it's something some Pokemon that probably did it made Ash. Yeah. Pikachu Or. And. Or the same options. The same three options, but you know, some other Pokemon. Because we don't know if Mew is the creator of Pokemon or humans or anything. But that doesn't mean.

Jack: Oh no. We're just using Mew in plays. Okay. I know you mean.

Cristina: Okay, yeah, that's. That's all. Okay.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because at the end of the day, it doesn't really like. Yeah, I get it. We could Just say A or B. Yeah. You know, cuz it doesn't really matter. But I know what you mean.

Cristina: Yeah, but. So you think the fourth option. Nothing. They're just. It's just coincidence.

Jack: I don't think that that's the one. I do think there is. It's too.

Cristina: One of them is definitely chosen. If it's not both.

Jack: Yeah. Once you lead into the second sighting of a different God and those two sightings aren't related. You've crossed into impossible territory.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. So it has to be one or the other. Either one of them is special or they're both special.

Jack: Or they're both special. Yeah.

Cristina: So.

Jack: So I guess the ultimate conclusion is that Jesus is. Or not Jesus, but a Jesus equivalent within the Pokemon world is Pikachu. He's made by somebody probably with the attempt to. With one of the two attempts of either saving the gods from something themselves.

Cristina: That would be so weird though because Pichu sucks to be like this is the thing that's gonna save these gods. This weak rat.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: The weakest rat in the world. It's gonna save all the gods.

Jack: It's a pretty. I mean it's so overpowered to it. One hits random s***. It's.

Cristina: I don't know. That doesn't even make sense.

Jack: Yeah. It's power level is all over the place at random moments.

Cristina: Yeah. But like it's. But it's definitely a very weak rat compared to.

Jack: Except it. One hits random s***.

Cristina: Yeah. It's a really weak Pokemon still.

Jack: How it can get hit by anything and survive. And it can hit anything in one shot and take it down at random.

Cristina: Not random. It's all random.

Jack: Random s*** can be suit. Look. It could take a direct hit from a. From a God. From a God's best attack and just get up. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I've never thought about this this way before. But there is. There is some sort of ability here. And it's interesting. There is a time in which this maxed out level. Pikachu and Ash are hanging out with a group of people and he comes across somebody's starter Pokemon. I think it's somebody who's gonna be joining his group. Or just somebody who just began to journey or whatever. Right.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And Pikachu, level 10 billion gazillion gets into a tangle. You know, we can fight my Pokemon. Your Pokemon. And then he like totally takes hella damage from this. Like level one. You know, let's be generous and say level five. But you're level 10 bazillion.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But Pikachu has fought level 100 Pokemon, not just level 100 Pokemon. He's gotten tangled with Legendaries.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And taking direct shots. And I would argue. I would argue that he took exactly the same amount that he took when the Level 5 Pokemon attacked him. Pikachu is usually about as hurt, but he causes about as much damage when he attacks, regardless of what he's hitting. So he has an interesting. And Pikachu know. So that's why he doesn't want to evolve. He knows there's something unique about that form he's in. Because let's say a Squirtle just uses tackle. The Squirtles Level 5, uses tackle. Your HP is at 100 right now. You take damage for whatever reason. This. You're level 100. This tackle left you with only 20 hp. It took 80 hours.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: This Pokemon sucks. Now, this same Pikachu, the same Pikachu is level 100. But we're gonna say that the difference in power level between this Pikachu and some super legendary Pokemon is that Pikachu is level 5 now, and this legendary Pokemon is the hundred. And this legendary Pokemon hits Pikachu and Pikachu still ends up with just 20 hp. Why didn't he die? Why didn't he faint? You know?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's how Pikachu works. But also, mm. Pikachu can attack the Legendary and leave the legendary with only 20 GP on the first try. But if Pikachu were to use that same attack on the level 5 squirtle, you'd still leave him with 20% HP when you should have wiped the floor with that one attack. So here's the power of Pikachu that actually explains him getting laid out and laying everything out. It's because his power is some percentage, some number.

Cristina: That's very strange. But okay.

Jack: But it would explain how everything works. Yes, his power is some interesting percentage of damage in and out.

Cristina: Yeah, that's. That's so complicated. That's not how Pokemon should work.

Jack: But it's how Pikachu seems to funk. Because how do we explain it? How do we explain him getting wrecked? By starters, but then totally. Yes.

Cristina: Randomly wrecking.

Jack: Yes. But like, also it's. It's too. It looks too random. But also it works always.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like it doesn't matter what it is. You're like, we can do this. And it doesn't matter what it is. They can get laid out. Level five, dude. This is somebody's starter. It was a pretty even out fight. And this Pikachu billion. It means Pikachu. You having Pikachu on your team makes every fight exciting because you don't know.

Cristina: How'S it gonna go.

Jack: All equally matched.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It doesn't matter what level.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Your Pokemon is.

Cristina: Pikachu's gonna be the same.

Jack: It's the same. It's the same. Somehow totally negating power difference. It does not make sense. But it does sound godly. Negating the natural law of the universe.

Cristina: Yeah. Huh? What if there are other Pokemon that work like this?

Jack: It is possible there are Pokemon sort of out here breaking the laws of physics, including the fact that humans themselves could make one. Mewtwo. This is breaking the law. Is so overpowered. Mewtwo. So overpowered.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Made by people.

Cristina: That's so crazy that he's made by people. That makes no sense. But people have to be. Have made by Pokemon. Right? Like, that's the only way. Right. Any of that makes sense. Unless you think like a different God made the humans.

Jack: Yeah. I guess that would be the real. I don't know, man. I don't know. It's so crazy. We got this Pikachu problem. We still. Ash is still a giant question mark.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We've got, like, these gods. Who made who? We don't know. Between Arceus and Mew. And they might have worked together. They might have been against each other. It's. It's fuzzy and unclear.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And, like, their motivations is. Varsius made humans mute. Made humans to teach Arceus that they're good or what? Like what?

Cristina: It's.

Jack: Man. This is actually a pretty interesting world though. We should dive in. We should go and find out about gods. All of the above. There's some. I'm sure there's some deeper narrative happening in Pokemon. These are pressing issues. You know. People want to know. We just. Today we answered some important questions. Yes.

Cristina: Pikachu is probably Jesus and special in many ways.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I'm not sure how Ash is special. I mean, he's special for sure. But can he do anything? Amazing.

Jack: Ash probably has some powers.

Jack: I bet he does. Yeah. And it has to be some interesting kind of thing. Again.

Cristina: Ash has the power of friendship.

Jack: Maybe. No. Because Jesus also brought people together. So Ash isn't the one who's attracting the legendaries. It's Pikachu. You saying the power of friendship.

Cristina: Yes. Jesus and Ash have the power of friendship.

Jack: Jesus did have the power of friendship.

Cristina: Yeah. Ash and Pikachu together just. I don't know. It makes sense.

Jack: Yeah. Ash represents all the apostles that's really what it is. Okay, but it is what it is. Look, look, look. Yes. Jesus. There's more questions to ask about that. And Pokemon is a weird world where they got a bunch of gods that work in mysterious ways. All of them, apparently.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah. Anyhow, so we have in the past talked about Pokemon. Not many times, but we've gone in on them a couple of times. Maybe like three total.

Cristina: Yeah, I don't think that much.

Jack: Yeah, it's not like a plethora, but there is some Pokemon content out there. But now I'm way more interested in there because I remember we were just talking about Pokemon. Showed up in one of the. The mass hysteria episode, I believe, and I'm pretty sure should have been a different one. It was an experiment episode or something. Forgot something.

Cristina: Not conspiracies. I think it was about just theories on weird things on Pokemon. I don't remember.

Jack: Could totally be. It sounds like something we would do, but yeah, so you could. I'm sure it's there. Go find it. Go find that stuff. You can find that.

Cristina: I think I also compared Pokemon to myth.

Jack: Oh, creatures in nature. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mythical, mythological creatures.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So yeah, just say there's keywords. Just type in Pokemon. You can find all that. Facebook, Twitter, Instagram. Those are our socials at.

Cristina: Just convopod and remember to subscribe and review the show.

Jack: Yeah, word of mouth is great. And if you like Pokemon and if your friends like Pokemon and you go and you Pokemon Go and stuff like that. If you wish there was a better thing than Pokemon Go, like some actual like mobile version of the. The like mainline games. And then you played that on your phone somehow. And then you could battle people but really have attacks, not just tapping like this brain dead craft. If you wish that was the reality. Share this with people. Yes, make that also make that. Make that and tell me so I can go play it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But yeah, you could tell them about that. Show them this and maybe they'll make it them.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. But because of that. Does that mean she looks worse?

Jack: Because he. Is he attractive? He's not. But is. Is a her version of him more. Way less attractive because that's. Is it like, whoa, are we saying that we have different attractive standards for men and women? Yeah, we totally do, don't we? So, yeah, I guess. I guess it's like that's way less attractive as a woman. So his sister was way uglier than he was.

Cristina: I think we look at pictures of them and we're like, oh, maybe she's not that bad. Maybe he should stay like a lady. I don't know.

Jack: Like a lady.

Cristina: He makes a pretty lady.

Jack: Maybe there's somebody out there who has that unfortunate thing going on.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Colazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts info, art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

November 20, 2021

Rambling 152: Shinto Shrines

November 20, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who first interacted with the shadow realm? How did they find it? Are churches and shrines related to the shadow realm somehow? And who’s master plan resulting in may churches and shrines throughout the world in order to bring creatures from the shadow realm through? The duo finally start resolving the bigger lingering questions about the shadow realm and the belief systems propped up around the need to bring things from the shadow realm back to base reality. The secret they uncover in the process is a twist they don’t see coming. And the usual suspect seems to be behind it all. Find out who, on this episode!

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Trump vs Biden Battle
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Star Trek Borg
White House Battle
Shinto Explained
Kami (Spirits)
Shrines
The Shadow Realm
Vampire Jesus
12 Apostles

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