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Rambling 298: The Grounding of Stuff Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised. Jack: Going live in 5, 4. Cristina: What does live mean? Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack. Cristina: And I'm your host, Cristina. Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And I think we've been doing that successfully lately. Cristina: Yes. Jack: So last week and the show before then, we were trying to get to what I was trying to talk about this entire time, but we got busy grounding things because that's our job. And that sidetracked us from getting to our one and only goal that this week we're definitely, without a doubt, gonna get to, which is, again, the fill people in on everything. And we've been doing this for a very long time. All we ever haven't. Cristina: Yeah. I don't understand. We've been doing what we've been supposed to be doing. Jack: Well, because grounding is our job, we can easily get sidetracked into grounding things because everything is groundable, if that makes sense. Cristina: So then we've been doing our job. Jack: Yeah, yeah, it's. It kind of loops back and forward to some degree, but I think we have some pretty good Grady greatest hits when it comes to grounding things. I think the whole Elation saga was beautiful. There's a lot, but it's infinite. And like, that gets frustrating. I think finding independent creatures that aren't related to them dope, and many things that are related to them dope. And it's funny because a lot of that, even finding the Elysians, really began about trying to see what the h*** was happening at the Bermuda Triangle. Cristina: That's where it started. Jack: Yeah. We were trying to find out what was happening in the Bermuda Triangle and then looking into clouds. Cristina: And then I thought it started with the unicorns. Jack: Well, that led us to the Alicorn that Antonio Dracohan. And that's kind of technically, that's the beginning. If this was a movie, if this was structured into a movie, the way that it built up into the Elysians. Right. Not even talking about the Elysian specifically, but a meta look at the show we were originally looking at. I think it was. Oh, no. Because then we migrated to the Groundhog. We were just looking at creatures and we were breaking apart clouds. There were some weird cloud patterns that we wanted to look into. And so we went through an entire breakdown of clouds, and then we veered off. We knew that the something weird was happening with that collection of clouds on top of the Bermuda Triangle. So that Allured us. Do you remember that? Cristina: Yes, but I don't think that had anything to do with Alicia. Jack: Not yet. Cristina: That was part of whatever story we had before. Jack: Well, no, because we were trying to find out what was happening directly under them. What was. What were they there for? Why was there a collection of clouds over the Bermuda Triangle? And I think then we looked into the groundhog, which I don't know if he ever finished his training. Cristina: Was it. Yes, he was part of training. To talk to the clouds. To the clouds? To get the clouds to talk to the sun, I think. Jack: Yes, because the sun is technically a cloud, too. Cristina: I think we were trying to stop some impending something from the cat People. Jack: Yes. Maybe an invasion or something. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Oh, no, no. We were trying to originally. Originally find out what was happening with the other stars disappearing in the great void. Cristina: Oh, yes. Jack: And we would need to talk to the sun to do it, which we. Cristina: Would use with clouds, but we thought we could use the. What is it? The. The groundhog. Because he could communicate with the weather. Jack: Yes, exactly. Oh, man. Cristina: The last one just died. So we had to train a new one. Jack: Yes. We had to give him adrenochrome. Cristina: Yes. Jack: He was Phil, right? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: It was Steve. Philly is the one who died. And then Steve was his replacement. A random groundhog we just gave a bunch of adrenochrome and started training. Cristina: Secrets of hogs is that they always were taking adrenochrome. Jack: No, it was specifically the one for. The one that they were talking to. Cristina: Yes. Yes. The groundhog 00:05:00 Cristina: that was chosen for Groundhog Day is always taking a dream. Jack: But that one died. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And so we were training one the way they were doing because we accidentally killed Phil. Cristina: I think so. Jack: I don't remember how we killed Phil, but we killed Phil. I know that much. Cristina: I believe that is right. Jack: And then maybe they don't even know we replaced Phil. They don't know. They're just humans. And then we replace Phil with Steve, and they have no idea. And then secretly we've been training Steve in order to talk to the clouds so that the clouds. Specifically weather, I guess, which was also bouncing off of when we were talking about lightning as a component, but unrelated to the clouds, because those are two different individuals interacting. Cristina: Yeah. So that's the idea. And then we're gonna communicate with the planet somehow. Jack: And then we're gonna get. Go on and on Steve. To talk to the clouds. The clouds would talk to the sun. The sun would. But still, something weird was happening down there. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And actually, Steve wasn't going to talk to the cloud specifically. There was a cloud with a face that we were gonna go talk to. Cristina: And we needed. Jack: Yes, yes. And we needed Steve for that. Cristina: Okay. Jack: So we were specifically gonna talk to that one cloud. That's a cloud. God or some crap. A demi cloud. And he was gonna talk to the sun or something. Cristina: I guess so. Yeah. Jack: Cool. But in doing so, we were like, weird that these clouds have. They're like floating over the. The Bermuda Triangle. And so we veer off and we're looking at different underwater things. I know. We were doing that for a while and we stumble upon. Actually, no, we ignore that for a while because we did Bimini Road, which we didn't. We thought about, you know, leading into the. Again, from a movie's perspective. It saw us doing these things, and then it shows us going somewhere else and discovering a different clue. But the. The. The viewer knows. The viewer knows. It's like, oh, this is related. The Bimini is by the Bahamas. A little tiny road that we looked at a long time ago that had the statues underwater. And it was like, kind of aiming towards the Bermuda Triangle. And we're like, oh, yeah, they're definitely down there because of xyz. Reason we still didn't know that the Elysians are the Atlanteans. We're just like some other people over there. And then we started looking into the Persian Gulf oasis because we were doing Atlanteans in specific. We were still calling them Atlanteans until we got to Antonio Draco. Cristina: I feel like before him, we were talking about the equator. Jack: Yes. Which was another thing related to them, wasn't it? But again, we didn't know. We're just like this giant equator surrounding the Earth. And it looks like these places built along this line were all in communication with one another or in communication with some bigger governing body. But they were all in sync with us. We still haven't found out what the point of that was. I thought we did the whole equator line. I know that a bunch of them died out. Is it because it was the line which. Cristina: Like, which Satan went to give them the tech? I guess it's easier for him to travel in a straight line. Jack: Yeah, I guess. Or maybe delivery was easier between the countries. So, like, we keep passing it down the line. We're all next to each other and he doesn't have to personally deliver it. It'll always keep rolling down the path. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Or maybe the equator is just the line in which the civilizations were Gonna be built like they were starting there. So we see them as just. Cristina: But why did they choose that? Jack: I. Why versus, like become a bubble or. Versus, like anything? Squiggly line. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Why a straight line, Right? Cristina: Yes. Jack: I have a theory on that. And I think it has more to do with Hermes. If you look at a lot of Hermes research, there were a lot of these symbols. He was essentially, if you remember, he was building comprehensive, like transmutation circles with a bunch of detailed symbolism and junk as part of meditation and energy moving and whatever he was doing. I think similar to the Hedron Collider, which is probably one of those. I think this line surrounding the Earth was the beginning of a complicated design that maybe was to envelop the Earth or a design that does in fact envelop the earth. And we have only found that specific 00:10:00 Jack: version of it interesting. Cristina: If it relates like, was he murdering them? Like, did they die off or did he kill them? Jack: No, no, no. Oh, well, that's another interesting. Cristina: Because we know the first. There was a different line and no one made it from that other line. Jack: So you think the Kearney. No. But the equator is just where everything moves along. I guess they must have done it ahead of time. Interesting. Interesting. Look at it like this. Look at it like this. Because this does have to make sense to some degree. Right. The equator gradually shifts place. The globe exists. And the equator is always by itself moving simply because of how rotations work and whatnot. So what if the line is starting to catch up? But they built society there and never told them. These guys are always working in secrecy. And the equator slowly kept migrating to that line. Slowly kept until it lined up. We know that alignments matter. We know the solaces work in Castillo in order to bridge a gate that allows people to go into the Shadow Realm and teleport along. So that's. Alignments matter. Somehow. If they built civilization, let's say north to south and started the line west to east, and it was always moving clockwise. It would eventually migrate from west to east to north to south. If in that moment something happened. Great transmutation. And all those people died. Philosopher stones. This could explain why some of these structures are some of the oldest ever seen. Cristina: Yes, they were. They weren't building on that line when it was the line. No, they were just way before the. Jack: Build on the line. That was unreal. And nothing they could track. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Or understand. Cristina: But someone did. Jack: Yes. And in order to get them to do this successfully, they did need technology. Maybe it was never about sharing the Technology. And the way we think about it, for Lucifer, maybe Jehovah man, we jump back and forth here real hard. Cristina: Bad guy. Jack: Who's the bad guy? Cristina: Okay. But Lucy was doing something sketchy. Jack: He was doing something sketchy. He was doing something really ridiculously sketchy. Because everybody was gone. Cristina: Yes. Jack: There's nobody there at all. It's all 100% gone. All that really exists is the ruins to that. And Jehovah recorded is telling him no. He is like, but come on, bro. We need this. Cristina: Yes. But we know he at least did it or tried to do whatever it was that he did twice. Jack: Because when he went to Shadow Realm. Cristina: No, because there was an old equator line that is destroyed of ruins and stuff. Jack: And the newer one, the new equator line, has nothing built on it. Cristina: It has nothing built on it. Jack: No. Oh, the new equator line is just where the line kept moving to. Cristina: Oh. Only the old one had the ruins. Jack: Only the old one had the ruined lines. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: If there is, we don't know where because nobody's thought about this. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And maybe it would be trackable. Maybe major cities line up in a way we never thought about or something. And then one day, by default, because. Cristina: It could be more than one line. Through the Earth. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Around the earth. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: We just have to find. Jack: We would just have to find to connect the dots. Cristina: Yeah. And it has nothing to do with the equator. Just. We just need to see that pattern. Jack: But you know what's even scarier at this point, this means that 12,000 years ago, we weren't beginning to develop. We know that their technology was crazy, but they weren't beginning to develop immense technology. They were already at earth scale technology. 12,000 years ago, they could just, in one shot, boom, across the earth, kill everybody and make. Well, at least along the line of the equator. Maybe they didn't want to erase humanity. Cristina: That's what I was thinking. That the whole purpose of that would be so that not all of it was gone. Jack: So maybe they don't even need these factories like Epstein's Island. What the h*** is that for? Well, then again, where it's two different purposes. Cristina: Specific people. Jack: Yes. That's to drain. That's for adrenochrome. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Versus something like stone. The stones. So maybe they've been able to make stones casually, whenever they want. Cristina: Yeah. We just need to find more lines. Jack: We just need to find more lines. On the flip side, wars are an easy way, and they're clearly in charge of the government. Cristina: Somehow 00:15:00 Cristina: that seems more of adrenochrome. Than a stone thing? Jack: We don't know. Cristina: We don't know. Jack: We don't see. In some instances, we see the bodies, but in other wars, it's just like, oh, yeah, some private attack happened. And it's like, wow, really? Or is it only when we drop, like, bombs and we can't go look at the evidence? Like, that was probably no bomb. You guys are just showing us a bunch of. And really, at the end of the day, what happened was you guys made another stone. Cristina: Would the bodies disappear? Jack: The bodies would disappear. Cristina: Okay. Jack: If it's for adrenochrome, the bodies would stay. Cristina: Mm. That's why most of them has to be for adrenochrome. Jack: Have you seen the bodies in most of them? Cristina: I think someone has. Jack: How do you confirm that person was real and not just another person? Just saying. Oh, yeah, I saw it. Cristina: Oh. Jack: I bet North Korea makes stones regularly. Cristina: Who would know? Jack: I bet there's human farms there where they breed humans. Because nobody knows where they breed humans. And then just en masse. But you dilute the genetic pool if they're always just cattle. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And you're just making the. There's something about the more complex the life force. Well, the life form than the more complex life force. Yeah. What is the rule? The more complicated the life form, the more complicated the life force. The less complicated the life form, the less complicated life source. It began a long time ago at Butterflies or some s***. Weird. Because we discovered a bunch of adrenochrome before we found out it was connected. Cristina: Mm. Jack: We found it through butterflies. Well, we've heard about it here and there, stumble upon things kind of pointing in that direction, then when they looked at it, and we found that through butterflies, that was, like, the original, like, attempt. And then other people throughout history, which I remember specifically, we looked into that were figuring it out in other ways. The countess in the 1700s or 1600, somewhere around there. It could have been the 13th. Who the h*** knows who was killing her? Her maze. That was for adrenochrome. And so we found, again, adrenochrome somewhere else, and we didn't. She might have not known, and we might have not known. But, again, a bunch of people did, though. So maybe she was in the in group who knew about adrenochrome. And although the people who wrote about it didn't get it, she knew why she was doing it. She stayed young, and they were all, oh, yeah, she was using it for her skin. And that was. Make her stay young. And it's like, no she was drinking that s***, bro. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: That's why she actually. That's why it actually worked. F***. That's exactly why it worked. She was killing them b****** and drinking it. And they were. The people reporting on it didn't really understand. They thought she was bathing in it, but she was just putting it in the tub to have a source of it. Cristina: Ew. Jack: She could continue to drink. I guess she was vampiring the f*** out. And this has a lot to do with the area she was in. They probably thought vampirism worked this way. We interpret it in the horror movie style, but vampires are relatively new. They weren't. Cristina: Vampires are based on adrenochrome. Jack: Vampires are actually just based on Dracula, and Dracula ain't even that old, so. S***. You get my point. Like, there wasn't a concept of vampires back then. Their understanding of a vampire was crap. Like the Countess. And like, Dracula could have easily been based on the Countess in a castle. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Attracting maids. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And drink. Literally drinking their blood. Cristina: It's the same story. Jack: It's the same story. And we found the Countess and we found a couple of, like, old school serial killers who were doing the same thing. We. We did that for Halloween one. So we were just looking at weird instances like that. We have a couple of really good Halloween episodes. Cristina: Well, didn't do any this year. You got anything for right now, this. Jack: Moment to do some Halloween? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: No, I don't now. We didn't do it for this year, but next year we should hit all the holidays. Find. I mean, it's interesting to go look at something that we haven't looked at for a while and with new eyes and find something we missed before. Cristina: Yes. Have we ever did a Thanksgiving thing? Jack: We've done many Thanksgiving. Cristina: Oh, yes, we have. But we haven't talked about the turkeys that we save that we pardon. I don't get that. Jack: We pardon turkeys. Cristina: Yeah. The President pardons turkeys every year. Yeah. He puts them in a hotel, keeps them fed and happy, and then he, I guess, brings them in front of people like the, like. I don't know, like the groundhog. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: And 00:20:00 Cristina: it's like, these turkeys cannot be eaten. Eaten. Jack: They must die of old age. Cristina: Yes. And I don't know how anyone keeps track of that. Jack: I bet. I bet that's the turkey the President eats. Cristina: Oh, that's awful. Jack: I bet some president was a douchebag and did that. If that's not the case, somebody was like, you know what? This is a stupid tradition. I want that turkey President. But no, no. Replace the turkey. Nobody's gonna know. I want that turkey. I want to eat a famous turkey. Cristina: The one that you said can never be eaten. That's messed up. Jack: Why? What's the difference? How would anybody even know as long as the illusion persists? Cristina: I don't know. I feel like you'll get. You will not get away with it. Jack: I. I want to get away with it. And then on my deathbed as president, I'll be like, get cameras and everything. I'll be or ex president, however that works. And I'll be like, for the world to know I ate that turkey. Cristina: That's messed up. Jack: Boom, boom. Will anybody give up? Nobody's gonna give a. They're gonna be like, he ate a turkey. Cristina: They're gonna say, you're a monster. Jack: If they. If it happened, like, the next day that it came out, they would be like, oh, my God. Yay, though. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Right now, most of them send you. Cristina: To jail to rest, to live the rest of your life to. Jack: I'm. I'm on my deathbed. Cristina: Who cares? You're gonna be in your deathbed in a jail cell. Jack: That's. I mean, I guess it wouldn't matter to me. Cristina: It wouldn't matter to you? Jack: No, no, it wouldn't matter. I'm already dying. Like, what do I got? Days. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Like, spend the rest of my days in a place that has to take care of me for a fact. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Whoa. Cristina: But you'll be in orange or whatever color those suits are, and then they. Jack: Die in a box. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: That's cool. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Concrete box. Who else did we find that was using adrenochrome? Oh, we found some Greek stories with it. That was afterwards. That was after we found out the Elysians. When do we find out they were called the Aletians? Cristina: Probably to do with Greece or Egyptians or. I think it was Egyptian. Jack: I think it was in the text that the Egyptians had discussing the Elysians, because they also referred to them as the Sea peoples. Cristina: And so did the Greek. Not the Greeks, the Mayans. Mayans. Jack: We looked at Maya a bunch of times. We looked at my. A long time ago without knowing they were connected to the Egyptians. Cristina: And we also, like, recently found out that they have portals to the shadow realm. Yes, that we think. We were thinking there. Jack: No, we knew they had portals to the shadow realm. We found out recently they were crossing people regularly. Cristina: Yes. Yes. That's happening everywhere. Jack: Yes. Cristina: And we had no clue that was happening. Jack: Yeah, we looked at that. Didn't know that there was this Entire civilization there went like two years without having any idea. Meanwhile, we found the. The villages around the world, including the one in Puerto Rico. That's a really famous one. All these groups that are just mixed shadow realm, Earth realm creatures found out. Cristina: All those people that were talking crazy stories about, like, I'm afraid that my child's gonna be kidnapped by a fairy. And then we realize, oh, crap, there's. Jack: They're onto something. They're on to. They were. It wasn't fairies, but they were kind of on the market. Cristina: Yeah, they were. They were close. Jack: They were close. They were close. There's a bunch of creatures kidnapping children. So it was based on some interesting y. Cristina: They were insane. Jack: No, man. It is a kind of weird road that took us here. Adrenochrome was a weird one. We found that so many times because. Cristina: It'S the easiest way. Jack: Everything, even by accident. I really, really. I always think about the story about the wolves in the. In the battlefield and how they would go out and like, when they were starving because the battlefield scared off all the other creatures, so they had nothing to hunt, and they were just out there feeding on the freshly dead people. But those people were in war, bro. They had just unloaded their guns, had the guns unloaded on them, seen friends die, seen bombs go off maybe in that time, or depending when. When wars happened. Because this was in the, what, the 17, 1970s, 1917s, and another one again in the 1950s. So there was bombs already. And like, this resulted in some crazy creatures, bro. Yes, that's nuts. Werewolves, which then, in hindsight, kind of informs our older story when we looked into werewolves and we found out that the natives would dress up with the. Cristina: Fur of the wolves and then turn into wolves. Jack: Not turn tools, but run 00:25:00 Jack: around the woods. Cristina: There was some stories of people wearing wolf fur and then turning into wolves. Jack: No, that's what they thought they saw. That's what the people. The. The white man. Cristina: Oh, he saw. Jack: Because they would see the. The problem is that they were with wolves. The natives in these areas would be wearing the fur of their family members who were wolves. They lived in nature with the wolves, naturally, and so they would be wearing the wolf fur and the wolf would be seen by the people who lived around there. And then they would see shortly thereafter, a native wearing wolf stuff, and they think it's the same thing. That's where the original myth of the werewolf came from. But the actual real world equivalent is a werewolf, a wolf drinking adrenochrome and then resulting. Cristina: The werewolf is a Wolf becoming a man and not a man becoming a wolf. Jack: Exactly. It's not becoming a man, but kind of getting a more bipedal look. It's very Pokemon. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You know, just transformed and now it's bipedal for whatever reason. So. Yeah. Cristina: I don't know. I feel like there are some men that claim to have turned into wolves, though. But are those just crazy people? Jack: No, because we also have people that were turning in the things. Not everybody has exactly the same reaction, but it's more or less the same reaction. We've had men turning into wolves. No, I don't think we've ever had people turning into the wolves. Cristina: There's a guy, I think for the church, he was confessing that the devil made him dress up as a wolf, turn into a wolf to fight the. No, the church forced him to turn into a werewolf so he can fight the demons or something. There's some wild story like that. Jack: We talked about it on the show. Cristina: Yeah, it was before all of this. It's way in the past of just talking about creatures not connecting to anything. Jack: That was when we were doing werewolves one and two, right? Yeah, man, I don't even remember that. Cristina: Yeah. I think he was claiming that the church would turn him and like a bunch of other homeless people into werewolves to fight demons. Jack: What the. Well, I don't remember all that. Cristina: I don't know what that is. But I know that they do have weird stuff happening. Jack: We know because the Church does weird s*** all the time. Cristina: Yes. They have portals and they also have items. Sacred items. Jack: Yes, they do, actually. Cristina: Body parts. Magical body parts of saints. Jack: Yeah. They hoard all the things with power they could find. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: But later we found out that was entirely because they were trying to erase the existence of magic and. Which is really just really complicated science. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And the body parts and things are saving are. Because think about it. They're saving a cloth that was protecting Jesus and he came back to life in or something. And it's like. Well, that was some technology that was reviving him or whatever. Or that had like proof of some residue of some kind of compound that they don't need anybody to know exists, you know? Cristina: Okay. Jack: Of the fruit or something. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: So they. They keep all of these things. They either have some kind of ability attached to some complicated technology or whatever the case might be, and they confiscate it all and hide it. Cristina: That's crazy. Still. That's pretty crazy. Jack: And still they couldn't compete with actual Jesus. Cristina: Well, they're. They're either Helping him or hiding him? Jack: Why would they need to hide him? Cristina: Because they're working with the. The. I'm thinking fairies, but that's not the word. I'm thinking. Who, Who. What is he? Jack: What is who? Cristina: Jesus. Jack: He is an Elysian Alicia. Cristina: And they're either working with Jesus or the Elysians. Jack: The church. Yeah. I think. I think we have three parties. Cristina: You think they're separate? Jack: I think they're separate. I think there's more than three parties. I think party we actually. I think. I don't think we've ever broken this down. I think party number one is the Elysians and their homies, like the Mayans and the Egyptians. Group two is Jesus and whoever's backing him, which is unclear. Cristina: Shadow people. Question mark. Jack: Question mark. Because we don't know. Because group three is a shadow people with Lucifer and all those individuals. Because even the shadow people who've joined our Earth Realm teams, we're calling those as part of Jehovah's team. Okay, so those are the Elysians. We have the Elysians there with all those people, including the shadow realm people that are there. Then we have the shadow room people who are a separate entity entity 00:30:00 Jack: made up of many Elysians and humans who've been outcasted one to the shadow realm. We got Jesus. That's three main group tied up there. Then we have Mab and her group of people somewhere doing something that's hyper unclear to us. See, we all never know. Exactly. Then we have the Greek that randomly pop up and are like always keeping up. They're like Piccolo. They're always keeping up with Goku and like how. Okay, but they're always there. And we don't know if any of this or even if the Elysians themselves are in any way connected to the original top of that, which is Jehovah's father Yahweh and his father Eloi. And how. That we still don't understand the giant leap from all of that all the way back to Yaldabao and how any of them might connect to what's happening now. Cristina: Yes. And we have no idea anything about Hermes either. Jack: Hermes, he's like neutral party. It looks like he helped everybody do whatever. Yeah, he's such a central figure. Cristina: But he might have even helped Jesus Satan with the line. Jack: He might have. But we know many instances suggest he might have helped Lucifer. Cristina: Yeah. So that's interesting. Jack: It looks like he might have helped Lucifer. It looks like he might directly be the teacher of Jesus. Yeah, it looks like he gave a johor who Worked or was friends or something with Jehovah. Cristina: And he has some connection with the Greece. Jack: And he has some connection with Greece. And he might have existed back with Eloi and Lilith, which suggests that he would have also been around at the time of Jesus, Jehovah's father, Yahweh. He would have been in contact with every single everything straight through. Cristina: Yes. Jack: I don't understand how. Because he is a God, he might actually be. Everybody else is some being that got there. He might actually. Dude, based on how we're describing him, right? Cristina: Yes. Jack: He goes everywhere, lives immortally, contacts everybody. Now, here's an interesting part about Hermes, which, based on his talks, might make sense. Let's say Hermes does come around in the year 12,000 BC, right? That's when he's born, not before then. But what do his lessons teach us? He says the fabric of reality itself is up to you to move around and control as you please. If you understand my teachings, you can just casually move in and out. Nothing matters. Nothing is of consequence. Everything is readjustable. Could it be that although he began there, he easily just shows up in the past? Is that a capability of his? Yes, because we know many necromancers can just f*** with time. Cristina: He can too. Yeah, I guess. Jack: Just poof. So he was born recently, but he could just be back there? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And that explains him showing up everywhere. He became he again. He was just a creature that became a God beyond anything all these other people could even fathom. Cristina: Mm. Except for Jesus, maybe. Jack: Well, he taught Jesus. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: It to this moment, it kind of does almost look like Hermes over Jesus. So if we were to just calculate their abilities and what they've done. Cristina: Yeah, but if Jesus gets to actually ex. Goes follows those principles that he has to teach, like what makes the difference, what makes him under. Jack: It looks like Hermes can cross into the fairy realm. It does not seem like Jesus can. As far as we know. Cristina: As far as we know. Jack: As far as we know. Cristina: Exactly. I don't know. That doesn't really. Jack: Only based on what we've found, he. He hasn't. Maybe we'll find something different to the contrary. But as of now, it looks like Hermes is the only one who's figured out how to enter this other space. With all of the efforts that everybody else has. I haven't seen a mention of Jesus doing that. Cristina: Well, maybe that story of him going into heaven. What does that mean. Jack: Going into heaven? Cristina: Yeah. And the end of his story before he comes back to Earth, like, what is that? I don't Know exactly. Jack: He dips out. Cristina: Could that be him exiting? Jack: But then that means he's always behind. He didn't just inherently have the ability like these other 00:35:00 Jack: things. He discovered that like a science. Which means that Hermes mastered it. He's a beginner at it. Hermes is still above. Cristina: Yeah, but that doesn't mean he can't get to that point. Like once you got it, you got it. Jack: He has a head start. Is he gonna. Is Hermes gonna continue getting better or is there a top? Which means if there's a top, they can catch up and land there. If not, then. Because again, if it's science, you can keep pushing it. Oh yeah, you can continue to push it. Cristina: But I think Jesus is still up there. Jack: He would be number two. I'm thinking he's number two. Cristina: Yeah. Because he did escape. I think he might have gone there. I think that was the story. Jack: And that's simply because we cannot rank things from Elfame. We have no idea. Yeah, it's possible. Those things are way more complicated in ways we couldn't comprehend. Cristina: But he might have gone into alpha and then came back. Jack: Yes. Cristina: I think that's. That's the story to say that. Yes. Jack: Right. But yeah, no, 100%. But that doesn't make him. I still think we've discovered that there is less appearance of Hermes. He's more rare to come across. So he's better at being invisible. He's been around longer, so there should be more of him. But he is good at being invisible. Cristina: But also he's using much of different names. I don't know. Jack: He always goes by Hermes. Cristina: He does. Oh yes, he does. It's Jesus that goes by different names. Jack: Jesus goes by different names and is still nowhere as elusive. Cristina: Okay. Jack: We don't know necessarily anything about what Hermes looks like. We just know he was robed. He was nice and discreet. Okay, he was robed. We have no descriptors for his face. We. We know just the things surrounding his robe. His face is usually in shadow and the robe itself was very dark. Gave look to that traditional necromancer thing, secrecy and privacy. So they adopted the look. Cristina: The necromancers. Jack: The necromancers adopt the look. That's also why we always see Jesus robed up. Everybody else might have layers to the robes, tuck ins on their ways. But Jesus wore like gown style things. It was very necromancer. And he's known for having the scarf with the hood. Cristina: That's not Mary. Are you sure? Jack: Jesus had the same thing. I guess Mary was also trying to be private. Oh, but that's logical. And the most important facet here is. I mean, Jesus would have to become a more more complicated threat eventually because he's still half Elysian. Cristina: Yeah. What is a Hermes? Jack: Human. Cristina: How do we know he's not half. How do. Jack: We don't know. We just know that you have to be human to be an echromancer. Cristina: Yes, but Jesus proves you could just be half human. Like you don't have to be full human. Jack: Jesus proves you could be half human. This brings up an interesting problem and it totally explains the Elysians not wanting Elysian men or women to breed with humans. Because nephilim that become necromancers may be problematic. Cristina: Yes. Yeah. Jack: Is the fear the necromancers, the few necromancers we know about are problematic. And then there's Hermes, who seems undefeatable by any standard we could imagine. Cristina: But then you think they'd be an enemy with him, but there don't seem to be. Even though they fear everything he is, they don't want another version of him. Jack: I mean, everybody's trying. Think about what the requirements were for the Golem. Think about what the requirements were for Jesus. You have to be able to cross all three thresholds seamlessly. What? Who's the only other individual we know who could do that? It's Hermes they're trying to imitate Hermes. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Right. And he ain't a fairy. They just know a human learned how to do the thing and that for whatever reason, Elysians can't be necromancers. Cristina: Yes, but they don't want to make more. They do and they don't. They don't want it. Jack: You want to control them. They want to be able to make a necromancer and control it. Cristina: Hence the creation of like things like Jesus. No more. Jack: Jesus was a problem. Yeah. Think of not Alexander. Was it Alexander? No, the. The sword guy. 00:40:00 Cristina: The sword guy. Jack: Who was being tricked? Arthur. King Arthur. Who was being tricked by Merlin. By Merlin. But the whole goal of that instance was a necromancer or not a necromancer. A person with the ability to cross between thresholds who could be controlled. Cristina: But he was all human. As far as I know. Jack: He was all human. Yes. And he was too easy to control. It became problematic. And we know that Merlin was an elation. Or is an elation. I don't know if that guy still around. But Hermes equals. I mean, not Hermes, Merlin. Equal elation. Cristina: He has to be half. Jack: He has to be half. Yes. You're Right, because how is he? And that's why he's whack. Cristina: Why is he whack? Jack: Because the more human you are. Cristina: So you think he's more than half human? Jack: No, he's the whack necromancer. Merlin is whack because. Because he is half and half. Cristina: But you have to be half and half. Jack: No, you have to be human. Cristina: Oh, but Jesus is half and half. And that he's not. Jack: Isn't half and half. Cristina: You think he's human. Okay, psychic abilities. Jack: Stories give us some details here to fill in for this thought, but I have some filler ideas. Right. For some blank areas. The stories emphasize how important Mary is, not just to the cause, but to Joseph. Joseph is a magi. A magi. And he is one of the other three who will later show up. He was her personal escort. They are Alician soldiers of some sort. Cristina: Okay, right. That's her man, though. Jack: No, that's the lie they're telling. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: But where you're getting at is where I think was maybe intentionally left out. The Bible tells us he's her man. Of course, the Bible is foolish and made up in order to suppress the truth. But the Bible tells us. So what motivation did the Bible have to tell us he was her man? Why wasn't he just her brother? She was gonna be a virgin and have a husband. Cristina: Yeah, that's weird. But weird. Jack: Could have. Any other narrative could have been spun there. Yeah, maybe. Maybe he was human and that's why he was different from the other Magi. Just like Mary was human. Because we know that child is part of Jehovah's DNA. But maybe the intention was to water it down and so it's not just Jehovah. What part of this do you need science for? Where was the experiment taking place in? Well, maybe both of them are the bad. Thus he's only one third Elysian. Cristina: Oh, crap. Okay, those make it more interesting. Jack: Interesting. So he has as much stake in this as the Elysians, but, you know, you're also just a human bro. We can get rid of you quite easily. So you're just gonna escort her? Well, you got bodyguards are gonna be watching, and they're gonna show up when it matters. You're gonna see them, and you just gotta take her over there. Where does he go when he gets. He just vanishes. The story just cuts off. We assume he left with the other Maggie, but he just. His story just ends. So what is that about? Well, his purpose was complete. He probably died off. Cristina: He died off. No, he died off. Jack: They get. They get to older age. Oh, but like, what's his. Why do we stop talking about him so heftily? It's because of this reason. He is really inconsequential, but is part of the equation, which is why he was actually present there the whole time. He's like, no, it's my Katu and I'm gonna follow this lady. Cristina: Okay. We just couldn't say, yeah, they were. Jack: The chosen ones to some degree, but it was just human. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You know, And I think that was a way of diluting some science was used in order to dilute elation DNA. Even if elation DNA is better for stones, they're not going to get rid of themselves. So they could easily run this tech, but no humans. But in order to make a necromancer, you need human. And they want one that they can control. But I don't know if they have Hermes, why they would need to. I don't get that part. But Hermes himself then trained Jesus. He's so neutral. 00:45:00 Cristina: He doesn't. He seems like part of the group, but he doesn't seem like part of their group. Jack: I think he literally isn't part of their group. I think he's just friends with Jehovah. And everybody must respect his neutrality because what are you gonna do about it? The fact that he's blessing you with his time is good enough. Cristina: But then he gets to train the guy that they offer, cuz that guy went to him. Jack: Again, neutrality doesn't matter who comes or what you want. I can do whatever. Cristina: Mm. Jack: I'll help you with limits. I don't hurt others or whatever. But what you do, but what I gave you is up to you. Cristina: Crazy. Jack: So everybody comes for something different. It's like, yes, he's really God about it, to the point that even Jesus goes to him on record. Yeah, well, Emmanuel. Emmanuel goes to him and it's like, bro, this dude moves like real omniscience. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Move through time, influence, whatever. Yeah. Oh, you said your grandfather needed what? Okay, I'll go back and I'll. Cristina: That's weird. Jack: Yeah, whatever, dude. Oh, no, I can't do that. I'm not gonna go get rid of the people. No, I can't do that. You need the. Oh, yeah, yeah, I can make the thing. Whatever you do with it, that's up to you. I don't give a crap. It's your choice. If it affects me, I'll bring him back. I don't care. Cristina: Real omniscience, okay. Jack: He moves like that, right? He has that feel if I don't care what happens, I don't care. I don't care what. I'm not doing it, but I don't care what happens. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And then he can adjust whatever in his favor. That's so impressive and everything. Again, if we look at the whack, watered down, non knowing necromancers, it's still like, d***, son. All of them except St. Patrick seem capable of controlling time. They're watered down. All of them. They're. They're whacker than Jesus. And Jesus can't mess with Hermes. That's where we are. They can control f****** time. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: It looks like maybe Santa, St. Nicholas is like real top tier op. Maybe third in line here because of how exaggerated he is. But it could just be time control that he looks like he's everywhere freezes, everything goes everywhere, takes him a long time. Then time moves forward again. Cristina: It's still really exaggerating. I don't know. It's pretty powerful stuff. Jack: Pretty powerful stuff. He also has deals with what seem to be actual fairies. Actual fairies? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Which is like, d***, how do you do that? Yeah. Cristina: Yeah. Maybe they're not fairies. Maybe they're shadow worm creatures. Jack: They could be shadow worm creatures, but they can. We don't know shadow creatures that fit those suits. But we know fairies that do. Cristina: It's just too weird. Jack: It's weird. Cristina: It doesn't make sense to anything. Jack: But again, maybe he's. He does appear to stay neutral as well. So maybe the fairies aren't siding with him. And maybe the fairies aren't trying to stop Hermes. Who are the fairies trying to stop? All the people trying to imitate Hermes. Fair people don't care about Hermes. Why? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: Doesn't seem to be f****** with them. Neutral. The people who are like, we want infinite power. They get elf slapped on top. Stop their progress, please. Cristina: Okay. Jack: But Hermes clearly already capable. They're like, whatever. Interesting. They're scared of power hungry people because if they cross out, they're coming for us. Cristina: Okay, Jesus, kill off Marilyn and Jesus. Jack: Jesus is a problem because Jesus is the one that slipped through. And although Jesus isn't aiming to hurt them, Jesus seems to be on a revenge path. Right. Is his goal the Elysians or could he easily deal with the Elysians? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: Because if they are is infinitely trying to get stronger. And they're infinitely trying to get stronger. So he must again try to get stronger. So they must again try to get stronger. And now it's gotten to the point that they reach the Elfame just trying to get stronger than each other. And then they're just consuming everything around them in a war between each other. And that's the fear. That's why it didn't look like anybody was after anybody specific and that the Elfame was just fight. Who are we scared of? And it's like this guy or that guy or what? No, both. Cristina: Both. Jack: But it's not about them going after you. They don't care about you. They're. They're Borg. They're infinitely power hungry the way humans are. Okay, we want more. But it's about getting rid of each other. Cristina: It could be that very. It feels very Dragon Ball Z. Jack: Like just like always. Upscale. Cristina: Stronger. Yeah. Jack: And it doesn't stop. We've gone out of the realm. Man. I remember the ah, memories. What the good old days when we just thought creatures here, creatures there. Maybe some aliens, maybe an alien or two local 00:50:00 Jack: that can't, you know, lives in space between planets. Because why would it try? How would it travel from super far? They couldn't. It's just a biological something living in space to finding out no crap could travel. And here's the science behind it. Stars away, stars across, galaxies across. Until getting to the point of like nah. There's entire clusters of stars completely captured. Because escaping the entire universe is totally possible. And there's multiple of these things. And here's some science behind it to dimensions and realms. It's like I remember the good old days back then when it was so simple. Now. Now we have interdimensional multi realm existing different creatures of different magnitudes of development tied in infinite ways with each other and in different ways. All scientific. Cristina: They're trying to get up there, up somewhere there. Jack: So complicated. So, so complicated. It's ridiculous. It is good old days of just hey, vampires and zombies. You remember comparing vampires and zombies and they both need blood. Which it totally should have filled us in on so much. Totally should have. Because we erased it slowly from zombies to say that they were after blood. But zombies were after blood at the beginning of the invention of talking about zombies. But maybe the creators of zombies thought oh this too on the nose. It's too close. So I'm just gonna connect the dots. And so we slowly phased out zombies going for blood. And then they just became science zombies. The way like oh, vile. We're trying to cure cancer. But. But it was always science. Cristina: It was always science. Jack: Adrenochrome. Oh the science in a different way. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: We they try to block us off of certain paths of science so that we don't get informed on those things like realms and crap like that. That must use biological and physically tangible science applications in order to to interact with. But the laws were taught to build upon exclude the factors that would lead us in those directions so that only those who know about them can know about them. Esoteric knowledge everywhere. You know, it's funny, that reminds me that Wet Judges was the same story as zombies. We had. We were just going through different creatures and we found out that this creature existed and that it was the. The result of something unknown. But this is what the creature behaves like. And it's not a shadow Realm. Creatures opposite to a win dingo. But they both turned out shadow room creatures. But there was some difference between them that we were like one comes from this and the other one kind of sorta. Eventually we discovered wolves. And both of these things shared a lot of characteristics. And that episode involved the connection of well, this is how a wolf biologically becomes. And this is how wolf biologically becomes that one. I believe the Wet Judge is the feral shadow realm version of a wolf. And the Windingo is the in control shadow realm version of a wolf. And both of those we found in isolation separate because we were just doing episodes about creatures. Cristina: But what do they have to do with the Shadow Realm? Jack: Adrenochrome. And they're both shadow realm creatures. Cristina: Okay. But they're based off of wolves and the wolves are from here, not from the shadow Realm. Jack: Exactly. Were wolf. Well, wolf can wolf takes adrenochrome the stages of a wolf as they would break apart. A wolf can sue. Let's take one of these 1950, 1940. Like six werewolves from the battlefield. Battlefield night people hiding. It sneaks up in the shadows and starts eating and drinking some of the blood. Because it's dies or. No, no, let me get there. It's gonna turn into. In consuming so much of it. A werewolf. Cristina: Mm. Jack: The werewolf is just the in control version of the wolf. Now two wolves came. They were talking about two separate wolves from the same pack. They came. They ate the same body. During the werewolves, both of them became werewolves. One of them was smart enough to consider coming back and the other one was a little cower. And as soon as it heard people ran away so they didn't consume the next day. This happens repeatedly. And the second wolf doesn't come back. The first werewolf stays a werewolf. The second werewolf now becomes a lichen. 00:55:00 Jack: It goes feral. It's just a Savage now. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It even forgets how to get back to it. It's just now a monster. Cristina: Okay. Jack: But they're more or less fizzled off Earth Realm. Cristina: Yes. Okay. Jack: Yes. And they all fizz. They physically look very similar, except a werewolf looks like a humanoid. It looks very similar than the werewolf is very gray, furred, wise and less crazy, I guess. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And the lichen is black fur and slimmer, while the werewolf looks bulkier. The lichen is thinned out and like up looking. It's like a really thinned out werewolf that's all black. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Now if the werewolf dies a werewolf, it becomes a wet judge. Cristina: Okay. And if the lichen dies, it becomes the other thing. Jack: And if lichen dies, it becomes a wendingo. Cristina: And those creatures are Shadow Realm creatures. Jack: And those creatures are Shadow Realm creatures. Cristina: Or they're ghost versions. Jack: Yeah, yeah. A lot of Shadow Realm creatures are ghost versions of earthrealm creatures because there's an inherent tie between them. Cristina: A little weird, because the Shadow realm is the original realm and we are. Jack: A pocket realm within it. Cristina: Yeah. But when we die, we go back to the original realm. Jack: Well, this is supported by all sciences, all religions and all philosophies that the. This association from the self unites us to the all. Another way of thinking about it is the texts that make it sound like it's a simulation. If the barriers are built around a certain type of code and you extract that code, then whatever code is left could exit the equation. Cristina: Okay, and then we just go back to the shadow realm. Jack: We can just be part of the shadow realm. So it's possible. Weird thought that everything within earthrealm is already a creature that might exist within the shadow realm, and we are just programmed with the external shell that we then think is ourselves. Cristina: What do you mean? Jack: Like my body isn't my body? Maybe I was always a gin, but because I'm born over here, the body feels like a body. But then it's weird beating our campy because creatures from the shadow realm coming over here to kidnap children and stuff, but to live. But they don't. They don't become suddenly physical unless they go through a procedure. Yes, and I don't understand what the procedure necessarily is because there's no specifics on it. Yeah, we know that they need a model, which is why they kidnap kids. They need an example of who they're going to become and that person is going to stay alive. They don't kill that person. Cristina: They don't. Jack: Well, somehow still existed when Lucifer became physical. Cristina: Yes, but did he transform also? Jack: Then Samuel got turned into Alfamer. Cristina: Is that what happened? Jack: No, he got turned to a Naga, I think, right? Cristina: Yeah, I think so. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: This story is twisted and weird. Jack: Yeah, that's a weird. Someone else been through the ringer. It's a weirdo. But this isn't a couple of places. Because if you think of Glycon from the Greek, he also was just a Greek dude who became a Naga. Cristina: That doesn't make sense. With the help of Keto. Because Nagas are fairies. So these are people becoming fairies. Jack: These are people. Well, people becoming Shadow worm creatures and Shadow Realm creatures becoming Earth Realmers are still weird. Cristina: That's weird. But it's less weird. They're becoming fairies. Jack: Well, presumably the Shadow Realm is a pocket within Alfame. The best way to think about it is if Elfame is Earth Realm, then the Shadow Realm is the Internet. And EarthRealm is like Facebook. Each one is inside the other in a smaller, more constricted way. But it's still the one thing. Like it's still Facebook exists within Earth. Cristina: A video character becoming human. Jack: Yes. So, okay, I guess the. The most logical way to make the next step remove would be to say we have humanoid robots that don't have any AI. They exist everywhere. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And the Facebook AI decides it's going to figure out how to enter one of our robots and navigate earthrealm. That would be the leap that Jesus born in earthrealm does 01:00:00 Jack: to get to Alfame. He is the Facebook AI. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Getting into one of our robots and now existing as a Earth Realm being. Cristina: What does it mean when one of us becomes a Naga? Jack: That would be the equivalent. Cristina: It's still in there. Jack: Yes. So there must be some form of code that creatures from the top have. Like MAB logging in. Cristina: Oh, NPCs. No, not NPCs. Main characters. Jack: Main characters. Yes. They acquire main character abilities. Yes, that's what it really means. Which is a good example in being Hermes. Main character abilities. Cristina: Okay, so if you can do become a Necromancer or become a Naga, you're doing the same thing. Yes, sort of. Jack: The difference is they're trying to make Nagas of existing individuals that they know are already loyal. They don't want one born. They're trying to make one out of people they know are already loyal to them. So there's some half baked kind of approach there. Cristina: And they. I don't think they have the same abilities as Nagas. Jack: No. It doesn't seem like they have the tip top. The closest person who got To. That was the first one we know about, which is the oldest, which is Yaldabaoth and his. Not his artificial Naga, which I guess everybody else is. An artificial Naga that we're talking about. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: But it looks like his was literally created from nothing. It wasn't based on anybody. Which is also why that one's overpowered. Cristina: That doesn't make sense. That does it. I don't know. Jack: Osteomorphus. That was the name of that serpent. Osteomorphous. Cristina: Came from nothing. Jack: He came from nothing. He was raw, created. So he must be more pure than doing it on a creature that was already a different creature. But they'll be loyal because they're part. They're in on it. It's their hard work, too, versus this. No, you were made exclusively for this purpose. You could turn on me and it might have. We know it had its own intentions. It might have done whatever, but that's the risk. A different variation on that is Jesus. It might go rogue. Except it went rogue and they did. Where they. How do they control it? Cristina: I don't know. But how do you do that? What? You said he just made one. Jack: Made one? What? Cristina: Made a Naga? Jack: Oh, I don't know, but it would be like, how did we invent a robot from nothing? Like, it's just. It's that he just made science. Figure it out. Cristina: Okay. I don't know. Jack: But the leap Jesus made is pretty impressive, especially if we. If we listen. If we listen, Deacon, listen. If we take the texts that make it sound like a simulation at face value and say, oh, yeah, that's definitely the true one. Jesus made it out of the simulation and into an Alfame robot. That's basically what we'd be saying. Yeah, he jumped to the middle stage. Or went through it. We know he went through it. Literally. He could enter the wider Internet. Cristina: But he's not the only one. Jack: No, he's not the only one. Because whatever quote AI unquote Hermes is can easily just walk out. And he was just Earthreal. So he is another Facebook AI. He's the original Facebook AI that managed to just get into a robot in her throne. Cristina: That's weird, but yes. But then I still don't understand, because Nagas are. Jack: I think Nagas are an attempt to do a biological cheat sheet for Hermes, because you can either study and get it. That's a. The filter is crazy. Phew. It's so hard. So few people have figured it out. Immense power. Even people who didn't figure it out. Alexander the Great There you go. Even people who didn't get it, what they did get, made them monstrously overpowered, but with limitations. The idea of a Naga bypass the limitations instantaneously. Shortcuts. It's all shortcuts. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Because the right way to do it would be learned hermetic principles. Follow the laws that Hermes lays out. Understand his lessons. He says it, it's the only way. And the proof kind of stands on it. The fact that nobody else figures it out. Cristina: Yeah, he figured it out. Jack: He did. Cristina: And nothing is like gonna figure it out after him though. Is Jesus really it? Jack: Well, we don't know. Merlin came after Jesus. Cristina: That's true. Just forget he's the most recent. Jack: Yeah, he's the most recent. He was whack, but he was the most recent. Then again he was way overpowered. Still time bending. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Even if he was defeated, it's still pretty crazy. Jack: I guess so. Well, yeah, he was tricked, but he was tricked by a fairy. He was killed off by a fairy. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Like you know. The question is, could Hermes know her? Is the problem is also Hermes has no goal. Think about how interesting this is. It doesn't look like. No, but St. Patrick's was associated. Even if he was human. Cristina: What do they mean? Jack: He was still associated with the Elysians. They called on him for help. Cristina: I don't know. Because of him and Santa makes it seem like the religion is behind is part of them or they made the Catholic Church. Right. Jack: The Catholic Church was made by the Elysians, but the Catholic Church employs humans. Cristina: Yeah, but to keep the Elysians secret. Jack: Yeah. The whole point is to keep the Elysian secret and to make Jesus just seem like he's unrelated to the Elysians. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Yeah. And it looks like, you know, they're neutral. And maybe they were priests who were like, we're gonna put. We're gonna send you on a quest. We're gonna send priests. Maybe that's the point of priests. Raising some priests regularly to a school out in Greece where they're gonna come across a series of tests and tasks at the School of L. If they pass enough of them, you're going to get into a special class and you're going to take it and you're hopefully going to pass that class. That class is all that matters. Everything you're going to do for the next 20 years of your life is pure training to try to pass one class. That's it. Good luck. And then, you know, just kept sending people, kept sending people, kept sending people and one guy, St. Patrick, makes it through and meets Hermes and takes classes with him and, and St. Nicholas makes it through and gets there. But how many hundreds of other priests went there and like tried and they could, didn't even know what they were there for other than I told I was going to do this my whole life. And I'm not going to get married, I'm not going to have children, and I'm going to go back and go, you know, I dedicated my life to them. I'm gonna go lead a church and I'm gonna be great. I'm gonna have it said and made. But I don't know what the beginning of that path was. And only few of them, and they disappear forever. Now it's the, the St. Patrick's of the world. It was like, no, I'm an OG. I got the abilities that they want. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And so those are in house necromancers. Hermes is neutral party if they can, if they. Anybody who can get my teachings can get my teachings. Cristina: So you think he was training? Jack: He was at Lesium as written by Aristotle. Cristina: In his notes, they say for how long? Jack: Unclear, but he was at Lesium, so that's fact number one. The specific lines were that he was waiting for the special students. And Aristotle's take on that is that his students were the elite students, the students that had taken all their other classes, the students that have aced everything else. And it's a school of philosophy. What the f*** does it mean to ace that? It means to understand everything there. Cristina: Which makes sense for what you need for Hermes. Jack: You got to enter equipped in every aspect of everything. And so you get to his class. Most people didn't make it. And I don't know how he would evaluate them, but he must have been looking at the notes of the other teachers there and been like, I want that student on that guy. He seems to be doing good every class specifically in these topics, which means he understands the nuance I'm looking for. Maybe all the other teachers were just cover. Cristina: For the real goal. Jack: For the real goal. Everything is designed as an intricate filter. And it's, it's a tournament. There's one winner. Of course, there's more multiple winners. But in this case, you know, to picture it better, it's tournament style. The guy who makes it to the championship past all the tests, but you still got to eliminate, eliminate, eliminate. And so you can't have a huge class of thousands of people. You got to be very restrictive. And maybe not. Maybe anybody who can make it can make it. Except people don't make it because it's really hard to get. Cristina: Mm. That's really hard. Jack: It's really abstract. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Really abstract. But it all makes perfect sense is the problem. So you gotta be able to understand really abstract thoughts in order to then bend reality with your mind the way that Hermes suggest can happen. And that we've found this proof through Naga and other necromancers and the people who cheat and manage to get a stone and aren't necromancers because that's so op. Cristina: Yeah. But he's the reason that there are stones. Jack: Yes. He invented them. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Yep. He is so good at being secretive. Hermes. He's so good at being secretive and so good at making things that we didn't know that both parts of the craft 01:10:00 Jack: were literally him. We found the first part and we're like, he made the thing like somebody else made the other part and improved on it. No, it was also him. It's just. It's hard to connect any part of things that have to do with him because everything exists in isolation. Because he's so good at just disappearing off of that side of the planet and popping up over here and doing a bunch of crap over here and stays over here for a thousand years and disappears over here. And he's over there now. No given. Doesn't seem to care about the passage of time. Doesn't seem to care about what side anybody's on. Does no barriers exist. I'm in this room. I'm in that room. Whatever. Cristina: That's what he does. Jack: Very godlike. He reminds me a Q from Star Trek. Cristina: Probably less of a troll than him, though. Jack: We have no idea. We have no, no idea. Not a clue what his personality is like. Not a clue. We know some people had character to them. Some of the Elysians were like, you know, you can imagine them. The guy who's just whoring around banging humans. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You're probably a chill dude. Bro. Cristina: Know. Jack: You know, he's just a dude. He's out there just linging, slinging his come everywhere he goes. Cristina: We don't know anything about Hermes. Jack: Who the h*** does? Cristina: I thought he's a weirdo or not weirdo. He's just secretive. Jack: He's private. Cristina: Private. Jack: We got stories from Santa. We got stories from Patrick. We got Jehovah stories. He seemed to be pretty chill, but kind of stern dude. Lucifer seems kind of more worrisome. He's these would, you know, panicky Lilith has a bit of attitude to what she does. Everybody has characteristics based on everything we found. And then Hermes is like, I don't know about you, dude. I don't know if you're, like, serious jokey. If you're like, you know, expressions. He's robed. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Every description of him, robes. Nobody sees this face. Even his homies have no idea if he's smiling or not. He's talking to a robe all the time. Cristina: That's kind of crazy. It's pretty crazy. We don't know anything weird. There could be more than one. Jack: There could totally be more than one. But also, he can bend time. What the. Cristina: Like, why do you need more than one? Jack: Why do you need more? He's everywhere. He's everywhere. He's all over the place. Everybody's Hermes at one point. It's like, no, it's the same dude. We thought it was multiple people. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And then it's like, no, it's the same guy. What? How? How, How, How? In fact, we thought it was so multiple people because Loi is the title and Hermes exists. And we're like, that's probably the title, too. And he existed back then, and they knew each other. Weird. So different people. And then we're like, nope, it turns out same guy. It's like, how the f*** does this work out? We still haven't even proven that about Loi. Cristina: I don't think he's. I mean, I think he is more than one guy. Jack: Loi feels like a title. And the way they describe the giant ship shifts in behavior. Feels like different people. Feels like a title within the family or a job position or political role or something. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Hermes is literally the guy's name. He'll go by a different name. And then tell them, I'm Hermes. They gave me this name over here. But Hermes is from actual name. Cristina: Weird. Yeah. Jack: And he'll write it. He'll be like, I'm Hermes. Cristina: He writes it, I'm Hermes. Jack: I'm Hermes. And then he made the emerald. He made this, everybody. No, Hermes. Geras Magista's made this. Don't happen. How? How do you do this in Europe? And then at the same time, he made that in Afghanistan, bro. Let's have a real conversation. Cristina: Because time travel. Jack: Because time travel. Cristina: And because there's nothing really. Jack: Instantaneous teleportation. Cristina: Exactly. Jack: And, like, it doesn't matter. Cristina: Solution to any problem is time travel. For Hermes 100. Jack: That explains ever once that's. It's like, yeah, you could bend time. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: So you're just hanging out back there, like the day you chilled with that guy's grandson millions of years later. Cristina: Mm. Jack: To you it was minutes apart. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: You just skadoodled across and it's a. It's seamless. If we were watching you from a movies perspective, you're like, all right, Jehovah, I'll let him know. You take two steps, we zoom in on you. You take two steps, none of the scenery changes. And now you're standing in front of Loi. Hey. Your grandson said this. And when we zoom out, we see Eloi, but not Jehovah. That's how seamless it would be to him. Cristina: That's pretty crazy. Jack: He didn't think about it just there. Cristina: That's totally how it could work. I don't know. Jack: And from the point of view of both of these individuals, he never left. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Because he can pop into the same fraction of a second he left that with Jehovah and walk right into that same moment and be like, your grandfather said this. And from your point of view to my. I'm right now, I'm Hermes. And right now you're Jehovah. And you tell me you need to tell my grandfather to add this, this, and that to 01:15:00 Jack: the equation starting on this next sentence. I'm Hermes. Okay. All right, Jehovah, I'm gonna go tell your grandfather right now what to do. Listen, Loi, it's very important that you add these couple of parts. Now. Loi tells him whatever it's like. Okay. I'm gonna make sure your grandson knows this. Jehovah. Listen, he said that, that one sentence, he's gonna talk to two people across time. And to him it's gonna feel consistent and linear to them. Not a moment past the moment you said links. Cristina: And then he sees a different person. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And time has stopped over there. Cuz not really. He's just in the past and he's gonna go back to that same moment. Cristina: Okay. Okay. That's crazy. That's his ability though. Jack: Does his ability though super overpowered. And he can do that at any point in time, at any place in time? That's God. Cristina: That's ridiculous. Yes. That's good. I don't think there's anything above that. Jack: I don't think there's anything above that. Minus whatever exists in Alpha that we have no reference point for. Yes, but the realms we are aware of. Even elves don't touch this. Nagas don't touch this. Cristina: As far as we can tell. Jack: Yeah. It would have to be the theory of the simulation. And it would have to be that MAB is a programmer and only then, because then she'd have the ability to like deprogram the robot, shut off the Internet, whatever. Cristina: But she can't. So it's not that. Jack: Or she should. We don't know if she can. Maybe she is just one of the programmers at the big company. The company really owns the Internet. She just knows how to work. She's the best worker, knows how to do it. Okay, but she can shut it off and ruin the project and save the world if it got that bad. Stop things from getting out and just destroy the robot that they got into. Whatever. Try not to. Expensive project maybe. Whatever that might mean in that realm. Cristina: Yeah, you know. Jack: Anyways, that's the road that took us to where we are. It's just all random pieces, man. Cristina: But it makes somewhat sense. Jack: It is composed. It makes perfect sense. It is a rational, reasonable, thought out kind of. Our job is to ground things like we said. Cristina: And we did it. Jack: Yeah, we've been doing it like you said. We've been doing it the entire time we've been grounding things. And those are all examples of how we've grounded things. And we added some groundings to thumbs things in. Just by talking about grounding things, we just grounded some more things. Yes, that's how we do now. The problem with explaining to the listeners that we do ground things and giving them examples is that it took an hour to do so. So we never got to get to the notes. 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February 24, 2024

Rambling 263: Christ's Goal

February 24, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why did Jesus want followers? What was the point of his teachings? Do we know where he went? The duo unpack the first layer of Jesus’ intentions, focusing primarily on motive, teachings and plan. A discussion that reveals much more than the duo anticipated!

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Jesus Christ
Lessons and Teachings
Possible Aliases
Intentions
Contradictions and Explanation
Beginning and Ending

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanities. Most absurd and baffling ideas.

Cristina: That's what we do here every day, all day.

Jack: Every day, all day. That's our job. That's our duty. Is that what we do? I guess. I guess we ground it so that you can process how crazy it is. What's that emoji of the Tim and Eric guy? Mind blown. Mind blown. Then it's like space. Oh, he does the mind blown thing. And then like, space and stars and, like, the universe coming into existence or whatever. That's essentially what we do here. And a lot of the time, or at least for, like, it feels like years at this point. I know it hasn't been years. It's been like, a year and some change, but it feels like a lifetime. Talking about the Elysians, the crazy size of the rabbit hole we have fallen into. But our job is to research.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So inevitably. Yeah, inevitably. Inevitably. There's. There's nothing. There's nothing we can do about this. If it's worth reporting on, then we must report on it. So as we're digging, we always come up with questions, and there's always questions that, say, lingering. And one of the main questions that we have ignored for a really long time was really associated with Jesus. We've made assumptions, left it hanging, cut it, left it where it was, walk away. And we're like, this is what's happening. But we recently realized that Jesus made a stop in China.

Cristina: Mm. Very random.

Jack: Yeah, like, very weird. Before going to Japan to build some Shinto gates, like, what the h*** is happening? So I was like, how do we track this guy? Like, what really happened? We've discussed everything else. I don't know if his point is relevant other than just like, I. I don't know. I don't know what's relevant. I don't know. It's relevant. So I'm like, whatever. Any leads? A lead, right? Like, it's better than nothing. So I'm like, okay, let's look at Jesus. But how?

Cristina: How?

Jack: Yeah, I'm wrapping my head around, like, how do we track you, dude? How do we find you? Where do I go? There's no wrapping.

Cristina: You go to China?

Jack: No, we already mess with the quantum computer. So that's where my mind went. So I go to the quantum computer and I Tell it, hey, can you tell me what is a way that I could use to track Jesus? What? And the quantum computer says back, well, you can use the application method that other people or the philosophies and other religions apply in order to like theologists and whatever, trying to decipher what came from what, which is compare and contrast when anything is identical. I'm like, what do you mean?

Cristina: Yes, what do you mean?

Jack: So the quantum computer suggests, well, characteristics that line up. Use scientific method to remove anything that doesn't matter. And once you have a pattern forming of things that are left behind. And so I'm like, okay, run that equation. And then it's like, okay, in all of these different religions and all of these different philosophies within the same region are different named individuals who seem to fit exactly the same characteristics.

Cristina: For Jesus.

Jack: For Jesus, we're talking of a virgin or holy or some terminology of purity. Woman who had the child, who is some special divine individual. And the same child around the same age dies and this different ways, but the same. Around the same time. And the same child comes back, comes back. So I'm like, okay, you hit something. Fine. Okay, let's follow this then. And we do follow this into these different individuals. And some more than one. There's several individuals, okay. And many of them, according to these narratives, existed at exactly the same time in different places, though different, not necessarily even different places. It's stories of a guy from wherever. Okay, so not necessarily. Maybe they're just. Maybe they'll adjust it and be like, oh, yeah, from over there, where we barely go. But all of these stories are surrounding Israel. They're in Egypt, they're in Northern Africa, they're in China, they're in. So these individuals, okay, have gone there. And so I thought that was fascinating. And we're gonna definitely jump through that very briefly. But what's more important is the path this man took and why, which is what we need to figure out based on whatever information we have.

Cristina: Okay, so where did he start? Well, I guess we know where he started.

Jack: We know where he started. But here's what's interesting and we'll circle back to it chronologically. But where he ended is so much more important. It brings me so much joy.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That where he ended. And also it seems he is immortal.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like, yes, he definitely had that going on. I established that once I broke the 150 year gap following his steps.

Cristina: 150 year gap, yes, after I broke.

Jack: That amount of time and he s**** on that amount of Time, not like his grandfather. Like I still don't understand even just Jehovah seems to have disappeared. And I can't. Like he's definitely not older than 20, 000 years gone. Meanwhile Granddaddy millions, which doesn't make sense. Which doesn't make sense. And his dad came and went as some background noise like Yahweh. Yeah, whatever. Okay, you did nothing in your life. You were mentioned by nobody. Just the Jews once. Like what, bruh? Come on, homie, what's going on? Put your son powerful doing things. Your granddaddy out there making moves.

Cristina: Unless that's more than one person.

Jack: Unless that's more than one person. Unless that's more than one person. Who knows? Who knows.

Cristina: But not with Jesus is for sure. One guy who's living forever.

Jack: It seems to be okay, so it has to be right because the narrative is too exactly the same. We don't have stories of loi, not many two or three instances and brief mentions, mentions here and there. But we don't have any extensive hard hitting. This is a fact. Look over there. And here's the proof. And there's the thing. Like we could see. The closest we got are these pipes that maybe or maybe not.

Cristina: Okay, that's it.

Jack: Maybe. Or maybe not. The end. Maybe he wasn't involved in that. His society for sure. Was he? I don't know. They many of them, who knows. But there's a thing called Mithra. Mithras. And Mithras is essentially fitting all the same characteristics as Jesus with the most important point being of the Virgin Mary that literally in their own language, the word her name when you translate it is the same word we would use for Mary. So it was Virgin Mary. And Mithras was an individual in Mesopotamia.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Okay, there was some other thing called Mani. And Mani was an Iranian prophet and the founder of Manichaeism, which essentially is a faith. Now the spiritual teachings of this individual similar. Him and Mithras had almost identical teachings according to what people report about these individuals.

Cristina: These are two different people.

Jack: No, I think everybody I'm telling you about is the same guy going. I think this is the. I don't know if he was going by aliases.

Cristina: Okay, but that would make it make sense.

Jack: That would make sense. But at least in their language, this is how they were referring to these individuals. And between Many and Mithras we have the following. They both had teachings like Jesus and preached messages of love and peace and spiritual enlightenment in the same area, in the same general vicinity. Now both of these Individuals emphasize the importance of living virtuous lives and seeking salvation through divine grace. Now, in the case of Christianity and in the case of Manichism, Manicheism, whatever, and the teachings of Mithras, these three individuals shared the idea that they believed in essentially the shadow realm and would consistently talk about, if you want to be released from this life, then you must stay away from bad things, and bad things are whatever trap you in the cycle of life. Now, a lot of these things are what make their way into the beliefs of Hinduism. Right.

Cristina: But what are they saying about the shadow realm?

Jack: Well, the shadow realm is where you go if you do bad things. And the bad things would be presumably doing things like adrenochrome and, I guess, things that would expose you to some of these situations that would then allow you to not permanently die and not just die, but thinking about some of these ancient texts and some of these descriptions of the shadow realm and then comparing and contrasting them with all the different variations we've seen of like, h*** and Helheim and all these other different instances that are the same. You know, the heaven, the h***, the limbo, or whatever the crap. Thinking about that, when we talk about the shadow realm and the processes that are potentially there, it makes sense that everybody was talking about the same process. All philosophies break down into what, including Christianity. The Earth is h***. Oh, right. And so that tells us a lot if you're going somewhere else, but you're staying here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're telling us that the shadow realm and earth realm were both the same thing. It's in the writing.

Cristina: They're h***.

Jack: It's the same. But h*** is more of a circumstance, isn't it? Because h***, in this case would be the visualization that everybody's talking about burning and screaming and suffering. But what does that look like if not somebody who's had adrenochrome and stopped? Okay, interesting. Right.

Cristina: Well, there's then a heaven. What is that?

Jack: The heaven would be freedom, I guess, being freed from this thing. I think heaven isn't literal. I think heaven was just the opposite to this torture they knew of.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So it's like, we don't know what it is, but it must be better than this torture. You go, yeah. And they could see the torture, and they know of it. And people coming back as twisted, contorted ghosts and things like that. Horrible monsters made of people they used to know and creatures that were once theirs and things that were once normal but just twisted and turned into whatever. And enough catastrophe or fear happens it's the Middle Ages, and you don't know know what the h*** is in the woods. And there's some monsters screaming, and it's really just a bear, but you get f****** scared because you don't know what the f*** it is and you've never heard it before. Enough fear gets generated. And now some crazy, like a werewolf that had too much adrenochrome comes through, and you got a wet judge over here, and you're like, demons and s***. That's h***. It's all h***. It's all depictions of h***. It's the descriptions we have of h***. It's just things that have always been happening and in front of our faces.

Cristina: Yeah. So wait, the shadow realm is h***, but so is Earth.

Jack: So is Earth. Because h*** is the process, if it goes wrong, that you should stay away from and you should want to die anyways, because that's what gives.

Cristina: Are they talking about people drinking blood, though?

Jack: They're talking about people doing bad things.

Cristina: Okay. But not that specifically.

Jack: I don't know. Because then the argument becomes very contradictory when you think of how many of these religions. And this is another part where both Mithras and Manny come into play. They preach a lot about this unity in dining, in drinking symbolic things and eating symbolic things, which is uncontradictory because obviously what you're talking about is eating and drinking adrenochrome.

Cristina: Are you sure? Is that the blood of Christ?

Jack: Yes. Which is adrenochrome.

Cristina: Okay, Yeah, I guess it is the same.

Jack: That's where the problem lies.

Cristina: Telling you not to do that, but.

Jack: Then telling you to do that, but it's specifically.

Cristina: I don't know, Somehow it's different, because they want to control those people. It's like, you can't have other blood. You can't have random blood. You have to have my blood.

Jack: But the question is, why? What's the difference? Elysian blood. He's doing something weird to them. He's doing something weird to them. It's Alician blood. We never thought about this. Oh, my God. We never thought about this, dude. It was very important that he con people out of specific things. So let's follow the pro. Oh, my God. Let's follow the thought here.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: The Elysians come out. They're like, f*** this kid. They run away, hide where they're gonna hide, make sure he can't get to them. They establish Christianity, the Catholic Church, then with Peter, right? And they make the Knights Templar. Jesus, on the other hand, goes out of his way to confiscate that same movement, thus creating weird division. In fact, what happened with Jesus is a lot of sort of what happened, I guess, opposite to Arthur, which is Arthur had many narratives hitting him because of the original narrative created by Merlin and then the narrative created later by the lady of the Lake, which was the confusing situation that led to him doing the thing while Jesus is confiscated the same way the lady of the Lake confiscated the narrative that already existed. So Jesus comes and confiscates the narrative built around him by the Catholic Church using his ex homie Peter, and at the rule of the Elysians, with the help of the Knight Simpler. He still manages to con a bunch of people into they have to drink his. He made the strongest movement of this. So this is like struggling, right? This is a bad. The Catholic Church.

Cristina: You think it's his blood specifically, though, that's somehow different because he's an elution, not because he's special in many other ways.

Jack: No. Something about Elysian blood is affecting the people. And he figured this out. Alicia and adrenochrome is somehow different. And we never considered the fact that.

Cristina: Do you think he just figured that out or do you think that Alicia knows about that and there.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I know that. That Jesus Christ went out of his way to tell people specifically or his followers, even if there's no message. We know directly of his mouth saying, but not to follow anyone else. Don't do this, don't do that. All of which is evil. All these rituals are evil. All blood drinking is evil. All this is evil. All that's evil. Satanic. Oh, it's Satanic.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: Meanwhile, you're telling your people to do the same thing. It just so happens to be your blood.

Cristina: But is it because it's so hard to say that it's because he's an Elysian and it's Elysian blood or it's his specifically because he's just. He's just different.

Jack: But I mean, I guess also, yes, he's very different because he's different.

Cristina: So is his blood just a little bit different than their blood or is it exactly the same? Like, how would we know? We need stories of lesions sharing their blood or something to humans or something. Like there has to have been some Aletians that were into blood stuff too. As though we always assumed that they were always above that and didn't touch blood at all because they had other things. But even Jesus had other things, but that didn't stop him from using his blood on his victims?

Jack: I don't know, man. Jesus is so complicated.

Cristina: So were they also experimenting with blood? Like, even though. Like, they probably didn't drink blood, like, they were smart enough to probably know, like, we're gonna get addicted or whatever, that doesn't stop it from them knowing people get addicted to it. Like, someone had to have tried it. There's no way. No lesion in history didn't go down that path.

Jack: No, for sure. Okay, clarify that.

Cristina: Is their blood special? I just want to know that for sure. It has to be them specifically.

Jack: I don't know if it's majestic blood. Well, you know, I don't know. But it's different than human blood. The argument would be, if you got adrenochrome from a cat, is it different than if you got adrenochrome from a person? These are things you've never thought about. I guess it would have to be.

Cristina: Okay in that way. I guess. Yeah.

Jack: And then there's something particularly unique or interesting.

Cristina: Like you can still get it from the cat, though. Yes, but it would definitely not be the same if you got it from a person.

Jack: No, it would be something completely different, especially children.

Cristina: Question mark.

Jack: But, like, yeah, age seems to make a difference. Yeah, maybe. It's so sensitive. I mean, think about it. Age makes a difference. If you eat it versus you drink it, it makes a difference. If it's distilled through somebody's body, it makes a difference. Why wouldn't the species you get it from make a difference? Age makes a difference. I'm sure gender makes a difference. We think of stories of vampires. Some vampires prefer children. Some vampires prefer women. Some vampires prefer men. Different flavors.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There's just blood alone. There's different tastes. So functionally, chemically speaking, they're also different. Men have more testosterone. Females have more estrogen. The makeup of all of this stuff, whatever it might be doing, is all different.

Cristina: So, yeah, I guess it could be his lesion blood.

Jack: It could be the Elysian blood. It's specifically the Elysian blood, and that's the case here. That's what's making it so interesting to begin with. It's something about either the fact that it's Alician blood, or he's learned how to control people who've had his very blood. Or, I don't know. I don't know. There's something related to him specifically because he talked people out of all these other things. But it's. It's also complicated because. Then why is he Going around making different groups. Because that's the other problem. In all of these instances, he's traveling around and he makes a different establishment of people. Maybe the religion isn't the point. Maybe that's just an easy way to get service. Maybe he's an excellent con man. It's like, if I get followers, they just do what I want and I could get my things done and move on. Then if I ever come back, they're just here to do whatever the f*** I want. He has pockets of people everywhere, and they'll keep sending his message and his idea, so you can come back and stroll through. The goal is freedom and movement and go wherever and do whatever.

Cristina: So all these versions of Jesus, these stories that you have, they all are about that, though. They're all about, like, get. Have my body and my blood. Yeah.

Jack: Every single one of these guys has the same idea, and they're all from the same general region as discussed by the people of that area we have between Mithras and Mani specifically. That's a lot of information on its own, because these individuals, right on top of the fact that they preach the same thing and they have that same resurrection thing going on. The point of the baptism and of cleansing an individual to then be pure, this ritual of purification and that then you can die and be consumed by God or whatever the case might be.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And that's a weird thing that in Christianity, isn't worded that way, but in the teachings of Mithras and Mani, both talk about this sort of reunification with the greater thing and explain it in a way that's similar to being devoured.

Cristina: That's exactly where my mind went. Like, he wants you to be pure so he can eat you. Because, like, who doesn't want to eat pure meat? Like, the best meat is probably the best meat. If you're unpure, that's probably crappy me. Who wants that meat? Whoa.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Interesting. He's sharing his blood and body, and he may be eating you. Okay, that's weird.

Jack: He's. And I'm about to blow your mind.

Cristina: A vampire. No, we know that, but I continue.

Jack: He is to adrenochrome what Santa Claus is to fear. He spent his time prepping people so that they would willingly say, what? Sacrifice themselves for him, thinking this is the path towards liberation, when really this is an Elysian that's been genetically engineered to be better than every Elysian and then still decided to create an infinite source of adrenochrome that even the most elite of individuals has not come up with. Because even Santa Claus comes second to this because all he has is fear. Jesus has a stronger, more widespread source of individuals under many different names willing to just be eaten by him and eat him willingly back and forward. It's a war. And he's winning by miles. Well, in the darkest manner possible. Like what you can sit. He's the devil. By the definition of what people describe.

Cristina: The devil to be, I guess, yes.

Jack: He's convinced people successfully that they can sacrifice themselves to him and his entire ideology, whatever that might look like. And it's very important in every one of these religions. These are just the most identical. There are definitely conversations of him, but this idea spread globally. He can go anywhere and assume whatever name they've invented simply by the story traveling and prove, however, that it is him under whatever name and guarantee that somebody will just lay in front gladly give them whatever because he has implanted this idea so granularly into everybody's minds.

Cristina: Insane. But he did do it.

Jack: It's a story that keeps going similar to Santa Claus. Now we're talking about the big players, okay?

Cristina: But these two stories, though, are specifically about that, about him wanting them to be clean.

Jack: For this is the clarification stories, okay? These are the stories that matter because these are the stories where all the lines cross. This is a message he tried to get across very prominently, which got across in the case of his name, Jesus, when he went by Jesus, which in Persia was Emmanuel. But we know that somehow he influenced it and Jesus happened. And somehow over there happened Mithras, and somehow over here happened Mani. Many names, many places, traveling the world, establishing. And these stories move on their own. The one that grew the most is about Jesus. But that's just one of the many names. And where Jesus didn't take, there's just more likely than not a different version of himself, which was definitely him. Either the story told or him rolling up, being there for a while and making sure they had the story anyways.

Cristina: Interesting. But did he come from the same area when he came to these other locations?

Jack: Like that's the most fascinating part.

Cristina: Yes, same place.

Jack: Nobody necessarily knows exactly, but everybody's pointing in the same direction. So everybody to the far west of Asia, I mean, everybody to the east, everybody to the east of Asia is aiming towards their west. Everybody towards Europe is aiming down towards the Middle East. Everybody in Africa is aiming north west, I mean, northeast, landing us in the same area. When these stories are shared, which is that same Persian area which included Israel and all those places.

Cristina: Do you know Anything uniquely different about these stories, or are they so similar like, there is nothing?

Jack: Well, the differences are literally the part that doesn't matter because that's probably just culturally what those individuals added to the song.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: The similarities are what we can prove. We're the same individual. And like this thing about a couple of individuals having or not couple, but everybody. But he mentioned only a couple of times of purification through baptism is such a specific idea that it becomes too obviously the same individual. Like, there's no. There's no way three different random people tried to establish the same genius plan. And it follows the path that he took to. On his way to Japan. By the way, all of this seems that the point of this primarily is the fact that most of these events seems to have taken place in a route to Japan, going through the Middle east and then through Lower China area in Asia and then entering into. So his whole journey, he essentially made pockets of people to then spread the thing out. But here's the. What's weird? Here's what's weird.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And I think. I think there's a. A possibility that some harvesting is involved in here. Right. Because the concern is you're gonna eat these people. Or at least you want the ability for them to just give you. If you ever need anything. And then you also drop by really complicated technology like this ability to detect earthquakes and then predict where you need to go or what you need to do ahead of time to protect people. I guess in the interest of having the people stay around.

Cristina: Yeah. But also have to make them love you for something. Well, or whatever. Like they worship him.

Jack: Well, no, you need them alive. Dead people can't offer themselves. But not only can dead people not offer themselves to you, if you want to just cruise through a perfect world designed for you, well, you want everybody to be as technologically advanced as possible and worship you simultaneously. You want the highest level of technology you've ever seen, like the Elysians. But you want everybody to bend to you so you don't have to know how to use it. You don't have to give a f***. You just say the word and whatever the h*** you want gets done by people who do know how to use the thing. That's ultimately the goal. People who do know how to use the thing.

Cristina: But he's giving them tech from his. No.

Jack: Well, he's also making his own things.

Cristina: Making his own things. He's not getting it from anywhere. He's not getting it from the Aletians.

Jack: No. And the thing that's Telling us maybe he did come across a couple of things, you know, but what's really giving us the most information is the Shinto gates. Because he gave this to those people with purpose. Purpose that serves him.

Cristina: Yes, that's the most important part, I think.

Jack: Yes. Gates that serve him. And the belief is twisted because it's everybody serving him so good at that. Yes, everything serves him. Everything is in his favor. That's the goal. I don't think he's trying to do anything specifically other than I'm over, you know, who he is, who. He's Homelander. Everything should exist for him because he's the greatest, best thing ever. Except he can bend everybody to do it if they don't want to. I guess his tool isn't. I'm a superhero with superpowers, but I am way more advanced and I got a mind that can twist you up. I can make you think whatever the h*** I want. I have some kind of psychic influence on people.

Cristina: What his enemies were like, did he have any. Was it even possible? Like, would he just get rid of them?

Jack: I think the Elysians were the ones who tried their best. A way to control the situation.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: But it works, and we know that it works. And there's a different instance to have.

Cristina: All these different stories because, like, what if Jesus didn't get that big?

Jack: Like any of them could develop? You just. It's always you.

Cristina: And it doesn't matter if they become big, like they don't have to become worldwide. If they're just many in those locations, that's fine enough.

Jack: Yes, you know where to go because you know where you've been. Mm, simple logic. You know where to go because you know where you've been. And that's where you could do whatever you want. And anybody's gonna do whatever you want for you.

Cristina: Well then, then the. Did the Alicians make the problem worse by spreading this religion? You think he twisted it, though?

Jack: I think he twisted it. I think the religion was designed in order. Or maybe not. Maybe not, maybe not. I have no idea. I have no idea because maybe no, it was he. Jesus did do it first. And then the attack was on Jesus. First they cast him out, then they ignored him for a long a** time. Right. That he gets born out there. They're like, he. The intent was for him to be born in Cyprus, but he doesn't. And they're like, whatever. And so like, we tried to put him somewhere safe. He didn't let him be out there. And then he. At the age 30 starts to rile up. And then they're like, him. F*** his movement. He's gonna die for all his movements. Yeah, kill him. Kill him. It's too much. He's being a problem. He's being a problem.

Cristina: They have to do with that.

Jack: Maybe. Makes sense, because then Peter gets put as the spearhead, and they create a different version of his same narrative. Catholicism.

Cristina: But that was him or them.

Jack: That's Peter. In the name of Jesus, but really as directed by the Elysians. Confiscating the narrative. But somewhere within that. Again, the original texts are very specific. The original texts are very specific. All of those are public access. But somehow. And they go out of their way to talk about not doing particular things. You know, don't worship these individuals. Onto this, onto that. Think about this clearly, you know, put your faith in this. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Which were, you know, what's the attempt to manipulate here? And this individual still manages to trick people, despite the fact that the drinking blood and the eating the flesh, which is ambrosia. And it is. What is it? Ichor. Ambrosia and adrenal chrome. No, adrenochrome is what all three of them are.

Cristina: Oh, I thought that was a type 2.

Jack: No, Adrenochrome is three things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which are ambrosia and. What is it called? Ambrosia is the food. Ichor is once you've distilled it through the body of somebody else. And finally. Crap. What was the name? It was called. And nectar is the fluid.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Nectar is the fluid. Those are the three versions of adrenochrome. And he's managed to get people still convinced that despite the efforts that the Elysians put through Peter and through the Knights Templar, he still managed to, like, beat all that ideology with his cunning or whatever the crap. He has something. But he could literally brainwash people, is the other problem.

Cristina: Yes, that's what it seems like.

Jack: Yeah. And he's created some sort of a thought bug. Interesting. Interesting. Because it's more powerful than every other. Everything that everybody's doing, even while he's not involved, it keeps moving despite external efforts of any measure.

Cristina: The idea.

Jack: Yeah. People have attacked it literally through murdering the individuals. And it'll just grow on its own again.

Cristina: Mm. But it was just this specific story of Jesus being Jesus, not any of the other versions. Only one version spiraled out of control.

Jack: I would argue that many other versions got absorbed because of similarities.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we actually have stories about that exact same thing happening. Right. Like Christianity slowly consuming other religions and adopting their ideas and beliefs.

Cristina: But they also break down to different religions in a way.

Jack: Yes, but we're talking Christianity as a whole before Christianity breaks down into its own things. Christianity as a whole already has all. Is swallowing all these other things. So, okay, he convinces them of the stories wherever he goes. So he uses his ability to brainwash, which is apparently the most overpowered ability, period, and he goes. And the trip looks like starting in the Middle east, traveling through China, heading south of Asia, crossing that area of Lower Asian countries, then entering Japan. Now we know one direction of that narrative. We've never considered what happens after that. What, does he disappear in Japan? He just gets here and poof? Well, no, because we know the gates are one way. So he still had to leave Japan. So he does leave Japan and he does who knows what for who knows how long. But interesting enough, we have a spot to start looking from where, because, and I'll explain the logic here, we have to look backwards from this date because the individual I'm going to talk to you about came to be in 1469. And the narratives this man gave were very similar with the same idea and fit everything about Jesus, Mani and Mithras. This individual's name is Guru Nanak. And this individual goes. He comes from. Follow this after an enlightening awakening journey of ideas and philosophers passed down through generations, going to the Far east in Asia and then coming back to then inform the local populace. Specifically just so happens to be that this individual was informed in this manner, shape or form of collected information. And so he was preaching the exact same things in the exact same way with the exact same idea. He talked about. He talked about the idea of a infinite punishment that seemed to be very reminiscent of h*** or of going through the things that you would go through from adrenochrome and of purifying yourself consistently, because you gotta offer yourself to God. This man who came from the Far east goes to India, and that's where this man settles, by the way, out of all of these narratives that lead to the man always coming back one way or another throughout the course of time. There is one key difference about Guru Nanak, which is his death was a final death. He gave his farewell, but he died.

Cristina: He came back and then he died for real, for real, as Guru. Is that what's happening?

Jack: As Guru Nanak, he dies for real, for real.

Cristina: But there's no.

Jack: He doesn't have resurrection.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: He doesn't need resurrection.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because keep in mind what I am saying. Where does he Go.

Cristina: I don't know. Where did he go?

Jack: I just said he went to India.

Cristina: Oh. And he died in India.

Jack: He dies in India. What is India a country?

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know what you're trying to tell me.

Jack: India is a location where we get the tools that seem to be able to kill fairies. And also where it seems that the fairies, which are just people from outside the program, it seems to be where they can most easily come through and be safest through. And it. That's just so where he happens to go. And that's where he settles out. Of all the trips he took, after all the information he got, everything he did landed him in India, of all places.

Cristina: And so his final death was escaping the Matrix.

Jack: It seems to be the case, or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah. Whoa.

Jack: I mean, it would have been more whoa if you could have realized it as I'm trying to feed it to you. But I gotta walk you all the way to.

Cristina: There's too many locations with too many things happening.

Jack: Like, we were talking about India. What else is this the only thing we know about India?

Cristina: I don't remember anything about India, though.

Jack: Not. The. The only fact about India is that that's where the fairies are from, apparently. Or not from. But that's where they come through, which is interesting. India. That's where all of Shiva and Fish, New Vishu, whatever his name was, and Brahma and all these individuals. Those are fairy names, and those are all in the Indian mythos.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Those people were directly interacting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: With the people from the other side. Those were the preferred people because something about them just made it safer. I mean, the second they weren't in that area, they got massacred and then we were made.

Cristina: So fair enough, but wouldn't they be afraid of Jesus like they were afraid of that other random person?

Jack: I don't think they knew about Jesus. If they did, like, who the h*** is stopping Jesus?

Cristina: I don't know, dude.

Jack: Who the f*** is stopping Jesus? He's Skynet. He's the real Skynet. He's the Real Skynet. 100%.

Cristina: Then when did he build those things? Those things in Japan?

Jack: The Shinto gates?

Cristina: Yeah. Like, what time period was that?

Jack: Well, everything took place within three years under the name of Jesus. Everything happened between the age it was 30 and the age it was 33.

Cristina: But the stories of the Shinto gates, when were they built? We have a year that year specifically. That's a real year.

Jack: Yes. That took place in the year 20. Somewhere between 28 and 29.

Cristina: 28 and 29.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Why comparing it to this man that's.

Jack: Saying he's Jesus or whatever, this is 1450 years later.

Cristina: That's crazy. Why doesn't he live forever? I mean, no, he not leaving forever. Because he probably left. Okay, I see. Yes, yes, yes. That's why it's weird. Okay. Which also makes sense 100%.

Jack: 100%. And then what's interesting about this is if you follow the narrative and the origin to all of these stories, the original older texts don't include that re ascension moment until later rewrites of the story. This is how I announce absorbing stories, even if they keep standing. Now, the people who believe in Guru Nanak's teachings are the people of Punjab in India. And although they still exist, it seems to be the origin location, because following the 1500s is where we start to see show up in different biblical texts and interpretations of different religions the re ascension process that happens after the Resurrection.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: When he goes back up and joins whatever. Oh, the re Ascension. He dies. And then he tells his followers, I'm gonna leave you guys, and whatever.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That part wasn't part of the story originally. If you look at the text predating the ones that were written before the 14 and 1500s, you don't actually see the ascension happen.

Cristina: Oh, what?

Jack: Yeah, only the rewrites that happen after the teachings of Guru Nanak happened that got absorbed into texts. And then you get in the Bible, the mention of him going back to God and whatever.

Cristina: Originally, he just.

Jack: Just.

Cristina: He just lives for a. Pretty much. Or in.

Jack: He dies.

Cristina: He dies.

Jack: And then he comes back.

Cristina: And he comes back and then he dips out. Ah.

Jack: He just leaves. He dips. He's like, no, I'm not dying again.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But he reascends after Guru Nanak's teachings happen, where he. The only real instance that we have up into that moment of someone dying of him dying under one of these names not coming back.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And he knew he wasn't coming back. And so this literally modified all the other texts as they were written following this instance.

Cristina: Weird. Awesome. Awesome. That makes sense. That's so weird, though. Yeah. So he's Jesus or he's the last Jesus.

Jack: He's the last variant of him before he had to leave. Now, what's interesting here is we know where he landed and we know that this is presumably the same man many years later. So we have a finishing point, and we have a couple of narratives at the beginning that allows us to at least have a beginning and End where we can start working from both sides to link the entire timeline together and find out every step he took, where and why. All I need to know is the place. Then find out who he referred to himself as.

Cristina: We have all that information. Or is that for next week?

Jack: That's to find. That's the date. Those are the questions that have come up. Oh, by looking at Guru Nanak.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: And looking at money and looking at Mithras on top of the fact that there are others. But these individuals were so exact that it was unquestionable that they were the same individual, Jesus or whatever. Because Jesus is just, again, a name for him as well, which was wrong one. It's part of the narrative. We know his actual name was Emmanuel. We know that's his actual name. The part of twisting it is Emmanuel is an Alicia name that they couldn't get rid of and it's still bouncing around. So is Mary, ironically, and Joseph, A couple of Alicia names out there that just exist today. And so Emmanuel is one of them. And they tried their best to change it to Jesus, but it doesn't matter. Fascinating. And we have places to look.

Cristina: Yeah, we.

Jack: We can connect these two dots. I'm confident of it, because we have a beginning point and we have an ending point. We know he's actually not in the system. Bare minimum. He can forever access the system and has no reason to interact. He's in God level now and has no reason to interact with us.

Cristina: No, I don't think so.

Jack: But it helps to have all this thing happening. Adrenochrome. We still have to make it. Make it some sort of code or information.

Cristina: It still makes no sense.

Jack: But anyways, that's what we got. That's where we are. That's what we have. And those are the doorways we gotta, like, walk through.

Cristina: I feel like we figured something out.

Jack: We figured a couple of things out.

Cristina: About Jesus.

Jack: About Jesus. About Jesus. Settle. Setting groups up, essentially being like Santa Claus, but for adrenaline.

Cristina: Until he decided to leave forever.

Jack: Yes. Unless he's still using those things. Anyways, if you guys have any comments, questions, concerns relative to any of this stuff, you can hit us up on all our socials at. Just convopon on Twitter, on TikTok, on Instagram, on, I guess Twitter's X now on Facebook.

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Jack: Tell everybody about the show. Word of mouth is the most exaggerated, most powerful thing that has ever existed under the sun. And it's important because we're getting to the bottom of grounding it, man. We're grounding it, right?

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July 22, 2023

Rambling 235: Norse Mythological Adrenochrome

July 22, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Does Norse Mythology mention the Shadow Realm? Did the Vikings also have adrenochrome and a method of acquiring it? What did the Luciferians and the Viking discover about mysticism that could help us understand Jesus, The Sea People, The Shadow Realm, Adrenochrome and the Garden of Eden? The duo continue to unravel the ever connecting web of lies and deception perpetrated by the Knights Templar and the governments of the world. What they discover about the Garden and Jesus changes everything we thought was true!

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Niflheim
The Viking blót sacrifices
Edda
Norse Mythology
Lucifarian Blood Sacrifice
Fetus Consumption
Heaven Realm
Earth Realm
Hell Realm
The Realm of Fog and Mist
The Shadow Realm
Three Fruits in the Garden of Eden

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And last week, we went down a pretty interesting rabbit hole that told us a lot of things about this ongoing, seemingly infinite narrative that continues to develop about, I guess, everything about the sea people, about adrenochrome. We were specifically finding out about the different parts of adrenochrome that I didn't know existed. We've been clumping adrenochrome together, thinking it was just one thing, but we found out it was three. It's the nectar, which is the liquid. It's ambrosia, which is the. The organs. And it is ichor, which exists after somebody has consumed adrenochrome.

Cristina: That's their blood or something?

Jack: Yes, that's your blood. It's basically distilled adrenochrome. You consume adrenochrome, process it through your own body, extracted. Now you have a more pure adrenochrome called ichor.

Cristina: Where did the original one come from? Not the ichor, the other one.

Jack: Nectar.

Cristina: Nectar, yes. What's that?

Jack: That's the blood.

Cristina: Okay. But that's just normal.

Jack: That's adrenalized blood.

Cristina: Adrenal. Okay. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. That's adrenalized blood and then adrenalized organs that were in the body of somebody who is high adrenaline.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Those two are while alive, and then the other is after it's been processed through somebody's body.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, consuming ichor is so pure that it can kill people. But if you want to know about that, go revisit the older episode that happened last week, because now we have something a bit different. The conversation that led us there opened a lot of thoughts, and it gave a lot of insight into things that we hadn't considered before.

Cristina: Yeah. It got us to compare Christianity to Greece mythology.

Jack: Greek mythology. Yes. And in doing so, a couple of things came to mind. One, the fact that entire human sacrifices, the firstborns, organs, blood, and the distilled version of this, which is even more impressive. More blood. Okay. We went through Greek mythology, Christianity, to land at these locations. But those aren't the only belief systems that have mentioned this in the past. And another real ancient system that I figured could give us insight was, in fact, Norse mythology.

Cristina: And you found stuff.

Jack: Obviously, you found stuff. So from last week's, episode. Three questions were asked based on what was informed, because, again, we found different ways to access the shadow realm as well, which explains the portals that Jesus had in the ichor. And all these things. All these things. Just really complicated series of things. The three questions that came to mind, what Norse mythology's connection to the shadow realm is. What Norse mythology's connection to human sacrifice and the three branches of adrenochrome are.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Jack: And unrelated to that system. After we established that Christianity has a lot of mention and Greek mythology has a lot of mention of consuming humans, oftentimes children, hence the firstborn, and sacrificing the child, and literal animal sacrifice from Cain and Abel, which might be a metaphor for a child. All these things, it made me wonder. One of the most controversial and direct versions of child sacrifice is abortion. And one of the main forms of abortion, other than the obvious, the clear, the. The. The unavoidable one where women straight up go to a place, a fetus is extracted and taken, who knows where. You're done, you exit, your job is done, you dropped off the fetus and you leave. We know that if everything else were to assume about adrenochrome is true, then that fetus is being used in something twisted, which is a whole deep dive for the future. But as we're looking into mythologies, specifically abortion brings up an interesting group of people who are well known for performing abortions, which is Luciferians.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. Instead of going through the science aspect of these Planned Parenthood places and abortion centers, which is obvious what they're doing, let's approach this from a mythological standpoint and a belief system. And then in the future, we'll go to the scientific angle of the same thing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, Luciferians call it a blood sacrifice. By the way, it is hard as h*** to find anything on Luciferians. I did not realize how complicated tracking this would be. Almost nothing.

Cristina: Super secretive.

Jack: Super secretive, I guess, because it would be too many similarities with obvious things. So it's a huge suppression effort from anybody who's okay with abortion to begin with because you don't want these two wires to get crossed and people be like, wait a minute. So this is gonna be the shortest part of this conversation. And it is also probably absolutely the darkest. So I will warn anybody listening, this is gonna get really f***** up. I usually don't give a warning, but this is about children. This is pretty f***** up. And this is recorded. These are things that people have done and that sometimes still happen today.

Cristina: Okay. So the stories that you have found. These are like people who witnessed it that were not part of the group because they were not gonna like. No one in the group is sharing these secrets.

Jack: They are totally fine with sharing these things because there's no proof of anything.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They are absolutely stories. As far as we know. There's no way to prove it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Because the. The self proclaimed Luciferians gladly will share this information because how do you prove it? So they call it a blood sacrifice and it is the purpose of it. This is first of all where I'm like, oh s***. There's a lot of similarities already. It's performed to create. And these words are very important because we're going to revisit them later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Blood sacrifices are performed to create a strong connection with gods of the other realm. Interesting. Very specific word selection. I came across gods of the other realm often time naming one of these gods Lucifer. Less relevant, just important information, I suppose, for the sake of Luciferianism.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But it's created to. They're performed to create strong connections with gods of the other realms. Of the other realm. They say realm exclusively gods of the other realm. Now, allegedly performing the ritual grants the participants abilities, youth and immortality, which we've.

Cristina: All come across with just looking up.

Jack: Adrenochrome, picking up adrenochrome, small detail that is going to give us a lot of insight that we haven't heard anywhere else though it gives ability, youth and immortality and the ability to hear the voices of the gods of the other realms in your mind.

Cristina: Oh my gosh, the Bible makes so much more sense though. Oh my gosh, the Bible makes so much sense now.

Jack: So many questions.

Cristina: Nobody was speaking to them. That's why we don't hear him anymore. Oh my gosh, that is so wrong.

Jack: But who says they do hear God? The priests? The Pope. Do you see? No.

Cristina: Oh my gosh, it's so happening.

Jack: Also, can the Pope still hear the voice of God? Oh, those under the crown are talking directly to God.

Cristina: Oh no. Oh, what?

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. And this is going to inform future information which we'll get to.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: How the ritual takes place. The blood sacrifice ritual. A pregnant woman, about six to eight months of pregnancy. The baby is extracted, oftentimes in the woods, forcefully. Kill. Extracted and killed. The body of the child is opened, starting at the chest between the ribs and lowering till right before the pelvic bone and that is torn open. The blood that builds up in the cavity is scooped up and they cover themselves with it on their skin. This reminds me of the countess who used to kill her maids. So they cover themselves on their arms, they cover their face, they cover their neck, they cover their chest, they cover their arms, their arms and their legs.

Cristina: This is way more disturbing. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: They remove the organs of. From the body and consume them raw.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They consume the organs of the fetus or infant raw, whichever one you want to call it. And they sometimes engage in an orgy as the ritual is performed. Hence the blood orgy title. That's the only way I found this through blood orgy, ironically. Okay, Ironically, the only way I found this was through South Park. I typed that in. So they must have gone down the rabbit hole too and found this s*** through there. Because I couldn't find crap until I typed in blood orgy, which I remembered from south park and linked me back. And now a whole bunch of doors of Luciferianism opened.

Cristina: That is crazy.

Jack: And the most important thing about the ritual is the mother is the only one allowed to consume the child's heart. I don't understand the significance of that. Nothing was elaborated on that. This is part of the ritual. The mother is the only one allowed to consume the child's heart.

Cristina: Maybe it's just so special to this baby. It's a treasure. It's her treasure she's giving back to herself, I guess.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: It's some weird. Whatever. That's the sermon. Okay, so they eat its.

Jack: They cover themselves in its blood and they eat all its organs. And only the mother can eat the heart. And it gives them the ability. It gives them abilities, youth, immortality, and most importantly, it gives them the capacity to hear the voice of gods from the other realm.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. What?

Jack: Dark.

Cristina: That is so dark.

Jack: That's dark. Dark.

Cristina: I don't.

Jack: That's the deep end. But necessary to go through in order to realize. Yes, the abortion ritual, which is the best way to call this for the understanding of other people, the abortion ritual is acquiring nectar and ambrosia. Interesting enough, it doesn't mention anything about them drinking the nectar. They're just covering themselves in it, which tells us ambrosia is more powerful than nectar because they're still consuming that part of it.

Cristina: Okay. And I mean, but it's still in it, like, too.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: It's filled with the matter. Yeah.

Jack: And what's most interesting about this is the ability to hear the voices of the gods from the other realm. This is interesting because we haven't stumbled upon this before, which means just having adrenochrome doesn't do this. Or just having ambrosia doesn't do this.

Cristina: No, but Jesus's story makes so much sense now.

Jack: Jesus, the narrative kind of clarifies a lot. A lot.

Cristina: It makes it what he does. Not even weird for that time because they were already doing stuff like that for God. Anyways.

Jack: Like now, to answer a question, this was first question. How does abortion relate? Answered how abortion relates to adrenochrome.

Cristina: Life changing. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Now, going back one question to what the connection between human sacrifice and the Norse is. The Norse are basically Vikings. We say Norse mythology in order to allow people to. Because we can't say Vikings and then have to make the connection every time the Norse allows people to just instantaneously understand the people who believe in Norse mythology.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But to elaborate, the people who believe in Norse mythology are the Viking.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Those were the people who believe in the north in the Norse mythology. Now, before we dive into what Norse mythology is exactly, and how this has informed our. Our information and everything we've been connecting and the fact that it is obviously one big picture broken up into fragments.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Vikings do in fact have a connection to adrenochrome. They have what is called the blot sacrifice. Oh, and in the blot sacrifices, they sacrifice to the gods in order to acquire things in return.

Cristina: What are they sacrificing?

Jack: Humans and animals.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And oftentimes these humans and animals are hung. But let's follow this next important detail. They are hung in ritual locations with, and I quote, strong connections to the gods and the other realm, of course.

Cristina: Okay. The other realms. Okay.

Jack: Which is exactly what happens in the blood sacrifice. The point is to get a stronger connection to the gods.

Cristina: Oh, that's why they're doing in the woods.

Jack: Yes, exactly. Where are the Vikings hanging their sacrifices? From trees in the woods, in areas with strong connections.

Cristina: They wouldn't happen to have mountain, a mountainy area, would they?

Jack: Well, we will answer that eventually.

Cristina: Okay. Just for some reason popped up Moses on his mountain. Like, why didn't we think of that too? Like, mountains have become much more important to the story.

Jack: Much more significant, the fact that Moses went up to a mountain and came down with not only information that transcends the capacity of humans, but saying he directly spoke. Spoke to God and his face was glowing.

Cristina: Actually.

Jack: Was his face going? I think his face is going. No, it was the other guy who saw his shoulder or some crap. Right. Something like whatever. He came down. Super awesome. Yes, because he went up a mountain and spoke to God. God's on top of mountain.

Cristina: And we have heard that he's on top of mountain.

Jack: Like we have heard that. Yeah. Okay, now about the blot sacrifices. The blood from the sacrifices are collected in bowls and twigs used to splatter the blood on the altar, on the walls and on cult participants. They're not drinking it, they're putting it on themselves. The same way of the. As the blood sacrifice.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the blood sacrifice is the English translation almost of the blot sacrifice.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The Vikings were performing a abortion sacrifice, but not necessarily with a fetus or an infant, just with people. And the hanging, I'm presuming, creates the most amount of fear because, you know.

Cristina: But they're not eating this.

Jack: Well, interesting enough, the next part of this is the fact that they do extract the organs from the bodies.

Cristina: Is it just animal bodies or you're.

Jack: Saying it's humans and animals alike? Oh, humans and animals are hung in the woods. Their blood is collected in bowls, splattered the blood on the altar's walls and on the cult participants. And the meat is collected, eaten by all in attendance. Identical. Identical with the intention of what? To get. To get something to connect to the gods and get something in return from them, which they believed were the abilities they were acquiring, which they believe was the youth they were acquiring. Which they believe was the immortality they were acquiring. But doing the sacrifice was the only way to what, engage with the God in the first place?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh, communication with God.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: So this there have been important, important, important. We've established something like this long ago. If there's enough concentrated fear within a region, a being from the shadow realm can cross over. The less there is, the harder it is, the more ghost like you are. But the more there is, the more solidified you become. Until you can completely cross over without the need for a gate. Okay, what's happening here is exactly that. They're either creating a mental connection, so it's the faintest when it's just a infant was killed and you guys consume and drown and put it on your bodies. You cover yourself in the baby's blood, you eat the baby's organs, and you start hearing all the effects that we know of. Adrenochrome happen. And then you start hearing the voice in your head. This is bare minimum. Nobody's scared here. Baby's dead. Nobody's scared here. You guys are looking happily to get here. And still the lowest frequency of what you've done in a high concentration area. You can still hear it, but a lot of Fear a lot of collection a lot of something. And you can directly interact with the God, which is what the Vikings have. You hang the people from the trees. A lot of fear in an area. The area is already suspected to have high concentration, many bodies hanging from trees. You concentrated it, and now you have more access to these beings. The rules apply cleanly as we established them before.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There is a degree. It's by degree. It's a slighter. The more. The more clear your connection is.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: Now let us dive into what Norse mythology actually is, because this is going to inform a whole other s*** store of things. First, Norse mythology predates Christianity by about 2000 years. It is called the EDDA. That is in its language, the EDDA focuses on a giant tree that connects all of the nine realms. It's an immense central tree. And above, there are places. Below there are places, and around, there are places. And we consider these the realms.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now let's go through these realms. There is a realm called Muspelheim. This is the Land of Fire. Sounds very similar to Hel. It's just lakes of fire and rivers of fire. And a lot of fire.

Cristina: A lot of fire. Are there creatures of fire? I guess.

Jack: Things of fire. All of these places got creatures that are native to them.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Asgard, the realm of the gods, AKA heaven. Right. Okay.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Located dead center of the tree. Directly above it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Floating above it.

Cristina: Where's the fireplace located?

Jack: Below the tree.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes. It's. You got to go downwards from the tree to get there directly. Center of the tree, below it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, within Asgard, there is a place called Valhalla. And Valhalla is where people go when they die. And they are honorable. Literal gates of heaven.

Cristina: Yes. For the best lords or whatever.

Jack: Then we have Midgard. Midgard is where the base of the tree is.

Cristina: Is that Earth?

Jack: This is Earth. This is what we would call the Earth Realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Now.

Jack: Jotunheim, Home of the gods.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Of the giants. My bad. Home of the giants. Dominated by mountains, rivers and forests.

Cristina: Mountains, is it. Where is it on this tree?

Jack: Weirdly enough. This falls next to Midgard.

Cristina: Okay. Seems very reachable.

Jack: Very reachable. Vanaheim. Home of the Vanir. The Vanir are ancient. An ancient branch of gods. They're the gods that predate the Asgardian gods.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The location of this is actually unknown. What? But it is only accessible through Asgard.

Cristina: Okay. So it's up in Heaven.

Jack: It's up in heaven.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's another level of Heaven or somewhere around Heaven. That's a weird one, isn't it?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then there is Alfelheim, home of the Light Elves. Important what I'm about to say. This is located next to Asgard. This is the third place in heaven.

Cristina: Okay. The elves live there.

Jack: Light Elves are the gods of nature.

Cristina: Okay, that makes sense. Okay.

Jack: Now this one's complicated. Svartalfheim. Svardofeim. Okay, so this one is the home of the dwarves, located underneath the crust of the earth.

Cristina: That's its own realm.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Helheim, home of the dishonorable dead.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This is where the punishment happens.

Cristina: That's also in the bottom, somewhere below.

Jack: Now, let's put this into a perspective. I only mentioned eight for a very specific reason. We'll get to the ninth one in a moment.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If we're going to put this in an image that we can understand clearly, we would say the Christian heaven contains Asgard, Vanaheim and Alfelheim. Thus the realm of the gods, realm of the old Gods, and realm of.

Cristina: The elves, which are still gods.

Jack: All in heaven? Yes. These are all kinds of gods.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Different realms at this point is losing its meaning and becoming more of continents, countries, something along those lines. We got to think of them as. Okay, within Asgard, there are two other important locations. So Alheim is where the brave go when they die during battle. That's the other side of Heaven. Of Heaven. Of the. Of Valhalla.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's. It's interesting because all four Alfelheimer is what I'm talking about, because Alfelheim is where the Light Elves go. And then Folkvanger, which is where the other half of the brave go. They don't go together. They get split into two groups, both for the honorable. Okay, so there's just many locations in Heaven.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Different areas in Heaven.

Cristina: Sure. Where the gods, angels, and, I guess the humans that deserve to go up there.

Jack: The easiest way to think about the elves is that they're angels. Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's the easiest way to think of the. The elves. It's two different eras of gods and angels. But there's something important about laying it out like this that matters a lot because it tells. It informs our view of Earth even more. The fact that we come across Zeus and Jehovah coexisting. But we look at this layout, and even within Heaven, they've got their own.

Cristina: Territories, which we feel like on Earth, they all have their own territories.

Jack: Most importantly, we're talking just elevation. Like I said, the way we're describing Realms. When we're talking Norse mythology, it doesn't seem like you cross some magical threshold or become a different physical type of thing. It looks like they're just physical spaces that coexist.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And when we're talking about Asgard and Vanaheim and Apelheim, we're just talking about high altitude. Yeah, the highest of altitude. Which reminds us of things like Olympus.

Cristina: Which is right there.

Jack: Station on top of a mountain.

Cristina: Yeah, the highest mountains.

Jack: The highest of mountains.

Cristina: In this case, the highest of trees.

Jack: Well, they're not placed on top of the tree.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Just know they're over the tree.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It says floating, but they're just over the tree. We know they're over the tree. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Weird that they're just physical spaces.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: No transcending anything. You just. If you had a plane back then, you could just reach them. Weird. Now, what we're gonna call the Christian Earthrealm contains Midgard, home of the humans. Jotunheim, home of the giants.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Svaltalheim, home of the dwarves.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Dwarves are just below the crust. That's still physically Earth.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Specifically says that they. You can reach them through caves.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's not a complicated. Like, nothing is happening here. That's crazy. No, they're just underneath the ground. The end. Not even far underneath the ground. You just. You can get there through a cave.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we got giants. They hang around the mountains and in the woods. We got the humans hanging in the plains and in the forests, along with some giants who also hang out in the forest. And then we have the dwarves that hang out underground and inside caves and whatnot.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Very Earth like atmosphere.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Important that the giants are often closer to mountains because mountains in Greek mythology are where the gods are hanging out. And the giants climb the mountains to attack the gods.

Cristina: Yes. And they're supposedly giants in the Bible.

Jack: But the giants in the Bibles aren't hanging out in mountains. Neither is God. Well, except when he was talking about Moses.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh, s***. So in every case, we have gods on top of mountains. Always.

Cristina: And we have giants and we have.

Jack: Giants, but we don't have giants at mountains in Christianity. We do have giants and mountains in Norse mythology. We do have giants and mountains in Greek mythology, but we don't have it in Christianity. Just patterns, weird consistencies. And the fact that again, we have all of Earth realm seem like a physical space.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The traversable physical space. You could walk to all these locations.

Cristina: Although they only took the dead to those locations.

Jack: None of These I have mentioned, are where the dead are.

Cristina: The ones in the.

Jack: Oh, the ones in heaven. Yeah, the heaven equivalent.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which is weird, right? This very Dragon Ball Z esque scenario where you could just like, well, I'm gonna go see dad after he died, and you'd literally just go shake hands with him and King Kai's planet or some crap. That's a weird one. Like, no, he's just over there. That comes down sometimes. He chills with us.

Cristina: Dragon Ball seems closer to his truth.

Jack: Yeah, it seems the case might be. Now, the Christian h*** still in Norse mythology, is divided into two parts, which is Muspelheim, the land of fire, and Helheim, home of the dishonorable dead.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: These don't seem traversable anymore. Unless we're talking really, really, really, really deep into the Earth, which also seems to be, how the narrative goes. A physically reachable place. It's a m*********** to get to. The hardest to get to of all these locations, you're closer to get to Asgard than you are to h***.

Cristina: But it's right under us.

Jack: It's right under us. You can get there. Yeah, you can get there. And just as we have giants before mountains, before heaven, we have dwarves before the crust, before h***. There's always something, some creature buffer between these two locations. It's very important that we keep in mind buffer creatures.

Cristina: Buffer creatures.

Jack: Buffer creatures. Very, very interesting that we have a lot of that. Now, the last realm that I've not mentioned is called Heffelheim. And Heffelheim is described as the land of mist and fog, a hazy, unclear, unsure place that is somehow connected to the tree that connects everything else. But just like the one location in Asgard is unclear where this is really at.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's not a place of punishment or a place of reward. It's more like Earth, but a warped version of it that's unclear and foggy and jumbled in a way which sounds almost identical to the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: What? I think it's the shadow realm.

Jack: Interesting enough. Christianity also has its version of this. It's Limbo.

Cristina: Oh, that's.

Jack: It's a. Not punishment, not reward kind of Earth, like wasteland, other thing.

Cristina: Yeah, the shadow realm. What's that place called? The misty place.

Jack: Niflheim considered the Mist World.

Cristina: The mist world. Is there anything in the mist world, did they say?

Jack: It's not specific. There are, like, creatures. There's a lot of fog, there's some river. That's actually where the tree gets its water from.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Gets his Water from the mist world.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Think about this. The tree connects every other realm and gets its life source from what's essentially the shadow realm. What are we learning from this?

Cristina: I don't. I feel like we're learning something. I haven't learned something.

Jack: I don't know what it is.

Cristina: I don't know what it is. But it feels important.

Jack: It does feel important. Right? There's some greater significance to our entire. Everything. All versions of it. Heaven, h***, Earth. All relying on the existence of the shadow realm somehow.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Our power source is the shadow realm. And we know there's a natural flow from that way this way. But we have to unnaturally access that location. It is a one way street. Normally speaking.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Life comes from. But life doesn't go to. We have to cheat our way over there.

Cristina: Which I guess is a good example of the tree taking life from it and not giving anything to it.

Jack: Exactly. We cheat our way. We come up with adrenochromes and we come up with Jesus gates and. But ultimately it should be a one way street. We're just breaking that rule.

Cristina: Yes, but why is it a one way street?

Jack: Why is it a one way street? And why is everything dependent on that? Why is it in Norse mythology is claiming it is the source of the tree's life. And the tree sustains life of everything else. All the other realms rely on the tree. This is the most important detail. All the other realms rely on the tree. And the source of the life for the tree is its most insignificant of places.

Cristina: So how is it related to us?

Jack: I have no idea. I have no clue how that came to be.

Cristina: Interesting. We'll figure something out. I know we will. But it's. It's interesting.

Jack: Now in Norse mythology there is a very important detail. Usually if you are not a person with the capacity and natural ability to cross from realm to realm, you use the tree to get there. Usually gods can easily move from one to the other traverse. Presumably because going to heaven means you gotta fly or some PS like that. Going to h***, you gotta cross. Crazy. Maybe only the dwarves know the way. Or the people who from h*** know the way. And so you need special information or special abilities to access things. But the tree has all the answers. If you wanted to get there and weren't one of the knowing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Although there's no understanding of how to get the Niflheim. You can access it through the tree.

Cristina: What?

Jack: You can go to the tree and one of its roots will lead you straight there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Also, there are three routes total. And they spread out in different directions.

Cristina: And they all take you somewhere.

Jack: One of which. The other two are completely insignificant. They don't go any more important because what they do is completely different.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The tree will give you the information you require. That is why you go to the tree to learn how to access some of these places.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The tree as being connected to Asgard and being connected to Midgard and being connected to Helheim and all the other places can also provide somebody who completes the trees trials with the abilities that are provided to the inhabitants of these locations.

Cristina: What? There's a trials? What?

Jack: Yeah, the tree can give you trial. It's a tree of everything, can give you trials that will give you God abilities or abilities of those in h*** or creature abilities. Yeah, you go through these trials to accomplish these things. A tree can provide trials. A tree doesn't talk to you or anything. It'll just. Trials will become apparent. I'm not sure how. Yeah, I guess you stand in front of and hallucinate or something. There's a whole other conversation about what this tree is supposed to f****** be.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: But the most important part of this tree is it. There is a route that guides you where there's no other way to access. That is an incredibly important sentence. The two ideas are, there are three routes to this tree. One will give you the knowledge you need, one will give you the ability you need, and one will allow you to traverse a distance you need. This is important because the Garden of Eden claims to have two trees. One with knowledge and one with life. Immortality, the power and the knowledge. But you dig deep enough into Christianity and you come across the Tree of Cavalry, which isn't a literal tree. It is the piece of wood that Jesus Christ was nailed to. It is the cross. They call that the Tree of Cavalry because it is wooden.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If you avoid Christianity and you go to the original texts that were translated into Christianity and translate them yourself. That very Tree of Calvary was cut from a hunk of wood that came from the Garden of Eden.

Cristina: How?

Jack: Because it was part of Jesus's plan. He brought the wood.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Oh. And he got crucified on the wood. Although nobody knew where it came from.

Cristina: It was part of his plan.

Jack: There was a ritual that took place. Oh, my gosh. There's a ritual that took place with somebody dying. Jesus Christ.

Cristina: Knew how to come back.

Jack: It'll allow him to traverse an impossible distance into another realm.

Cristina: How do you get that wood? Who let him in?

Jack: Somebody let him slip in. Or somebody brought it out.

Cristina: His Mom.

Jack: His mom wasn't allowed back in until she had. Until he was dead.

Cristina: But maybe she had it with her.

Jack: They wouldn't have kicked her out with it. They were supervising that lady at every corner. But there is a question there. There is a literal question there.

Cristina: Where did he get it?

Jack: Where did he get the Tree of Cavalry? Which, by the way, weirdly enough, if you translate it backwards. Not translate backwards. You find the original text and translate it without the edited versions and the warped text that they come up with.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: They call it the Tree of Soul. That's the literal, exact translation. I don't know why the Tree of Cavalry is how it ended up, but.

Cristina: So you got the knowledge.

Jack: If knowledge, you have life and you have soul. The Tree of Soul. Spirit. I don't know what the relevance of the word soul is, but if we call it that, maybe we'll think of it differently. It's a tree of soul. Jesus Christ acquired a piece from a tree that would allow the consumer of the fruit of that tree. And by the way, this took a lot of digging to find out. The consumer of the fruit of that tree. Yes. It also had a fruit like the other two trees.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: To, like a fairy at will be able to cross through realms. What, like a fairy?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: As we know, the fairies are the only beings that are neither from here nor there that can easily hop in and out of Earth realm and the shadow realm, like nothing. Which also suggests the third realm, which would fall in line with Christian beliefs in the first place. No, I don't know where the they're from. I just know they can enter the shadow realm and Earth realm easily. We haven't really established where they're from. We just know that the fairies can kind of hop in and out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're the only things we know that don't require any kind of anything else. Yeah, and that's how they actually made the deal with, presumably, Santa Claus, who has the tightest grip on all this s*** to begin with. Again, you guys can find that in another episode, of which there are many.

Cristina: Okay, so he somehow managed to get a piece of this tree and the fruit of this tree?

Jack: No, he managed to get a piece of the tree because I believe he couldn't. I think acquiring the fruit was harder. Maybe it would have been too obvious. So they removed the piece of the wood, and then getting crucified on the wood allowed him to now have something relative. Maybe it wasn't even about him crossing. Maybe he required this as part of the ritual that would allow him to hear a voice in his head.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: From the other side.

Cristina: So I don't think this thing was already talking to him.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Or maybe he did perform some other ritual. He did have that thing about the flush, you know?

Cristina: Yeah, I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. There's a. It brings up a lot of questions.

Cristina: Yeah, he's doing a lot of things.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Where did he get this lid? How? It's from the Garden of Eden. And you don't think Mary was a.

Jack: P. Oh, I'm actually f****** up a little. Eating the fruit actually requires the consumer to die before they get the abilities out of the way. Eating the fruit of spirit requires you to die to acquire.

Cristina: Whoa. What? Wait. What does the fruit do again?

Jack: The fruit allows you to traverse from one realm to the other. Okay, so he did get the ability. That's actually what did happen in dying on the cross. He acquired the ability. But again, you do still need to be brought back to life.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The fruit of life doesn't bring you back to life. It gives you mortality. And yes, I still believe that Adam and Eve are a technology different. Different episode for what I stumbled upon related to that.

Cristina: Okay, okay, okay.

Jack: But yes, quite definitely their technology. And I think all of this is technology. I think the fruits are a version of technology.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: I think this is the sea people breaking the rules to do different things without having to use fun. Fact or not? Fact, but theory. Enter unicorns. We have three different fruits. I think this is why unicorns are f****** relevant. Yes, there is engineered something. Genetically engineered something. But people were getting horns that were giving abilities. So maybe that theory is bullshit, that this was a genetically engineered creature. I think the Pegasus was definitely genetically engineered, but I don't think the unicorn was because people had. Antonio Draco, bro. He gave this to people who couldn't walk. And they could suddenly walk. If the people couldn't see, they could suddenly see. There was something about this unicorn, the alicorn. Something about alicorn that the sea people were fully aware of. And the sea people also happen to have the Garden of Eden, which contains four different technologies. A technology for immortality without adrenochrome.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: A technology for some unearthly knowledge. A technology to traverse the realms. Like dying after you've had a dream of chrome. Almost identical. When you consider the fruit of spirit, you have to.

Cristina: They knew about this other place. Somehow they're connected to.

Jack: Well, they already knew about my cough. That they got the f*** away from. And that was a direct link to the shadow realm.

Cristina: They did something wrong, they did something.

Jack: Bad and they act. And whatever the technology code Adam and Eve is.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I think they used unicorn alicorns in order to make these technologies. That's where that piece fits. It's something with incredible abilities. That isn't science. They use it and added it to science to make things happen.

Cristina: I don't think it's a creature from here either.

Jack: I think it's a f****** fairy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I think a unicorn is a fairy. I think it's a horse fairy.

Cristina: It's a horse fairy. It's a fairy. It's a fairy. It's for sure a fairy.

Jack: For sure fairy. They. There's an animalistic non hyper intelligent fairy like other creatures. It's just wherever the fairies come from, there are animals.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That aren't like crazy intelligent like normal people or normal fairies. It's just an animal because we know the shadow realm also has it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The shadow realm has intelligent beings and it has their animal equivalent.

Cristina: Yeah, I think. Yeah, you're right. I think the fairy. Those are fairies.

Jack: Those are fairies. Unicorns are fairies. I am for sure. A Pegasus is something genetically engineered. It's just things that exist over here that they put together and look cool. Look at my cool car. Or whatever. But unicorns are fairies.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they know how to use unicorn blood and unicorn alicorns to make these technologies that they are trying to hide from whatever either they're. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Because now we're hitting the wall again. I'll find something else in the future. But this is. It's making a lot of sense so far because this began originally with unicorns and then we left it behind because. Didn't seem to connect anywhere.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It didn't seem to go anywhere. These special abilities, these things. But everything that. The one thing we've known is whatever you could do with adrenochrome, you could do with alicorn. Of course the idea was this.

Cristina: I think they. The power that they have. Adam and Eve is what the gods want. I really think that's what they want because that's the thing of life. Like in the Norse mythology, they made people a lot like God made people. But like it feels very technology. Like it wasn't natural birth or anything. They, they made. They made people. They want this technology because they don't have it.

Jack: So you think Adam and Eve Is in fact population technology.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The ability to create.

Cristina: Gods aren't really gods. They're just someone who found the tech to make life. And there's people that want that. These higher beings, they're fighting over this.

Jack: The people who have it are the sea people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The argument here is that the sea people are equal in caliber to the rest of these gods.

Cristina: Yeah, they are.

Jack: And we. The weirdest part is we can home then the idea is whole other perspective. And we've talked about this before, I guess. Yes. Yeah, we talked about this a long time ago about just Jehovah. That Jehovah came from a group of people and they just got more progressively powerful over time. They were made by something, but possibly technology too, that with enough time, the goal was to get one of these things to cross over to the next stage where they themselves could make life.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And every civilization has its own version of that. That's what the Greek gods are. They were something that managed to get to this God like power, but they were just mortals like we were. And Jehovah and whatever people he's from also, again, they were just some form of mortal that elevated to that point. And the Norse gods, again, just some form of mortal that elevated to that point. And we're witnessing with the sea people another form of mortal that elevated to that. And maybe might not be exactly that. The road is the same. But they're as close from our.

Cristina: Yes, I think they're stopping the whole. The God part, the end part of it happening though. Because all of these stories, they end with the God finally getting the thing and then restarting and everything happens again and then the new God and then whatever. Yeah, because Jesus would have been that God. But they're stopping him.

Jack: But they're stopping him. Then what's the point of stopping it?

Cristina: Because it ends. All of this. It.

Jack: The reset. The reset God Jesus would have been the one. Yes, that Jehovah. Jehovah's winning. That's the argument here. Jehovah was winning. We would know because it's also the most dominant religion. Even Islam contains Christianity within it.

Cristina: It's not. He's not winning because he didn't get to restart because we're still here.

Jack: He was winning. He was, he was winning. And Jesus was the way. He was the one who had the guy who was actually gonna do it. I did it. I beat all of you. I got him. I got the guy who's gonna reset the system. That makes me God and that makes him the God who takes my place. But the sea people didn't allow it.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So, but we know Jehovah of Dark isn't the same as Jehovah of Light. We just don't know what the h*** to call Jehovah of Dark. Jehovah of Light is just another sea person and he's part of who's stopping this. So Jehovah of Dark found the right being because again, what were the visions, what were the visions that forced them to get rid of Mary in the first. The first place? That's another weird thing. This guy somehow started to communicate with this kid and other people and oh yeah, find the kid. Find the kid for me, people. Chances are the people who are having the visions of Jesus in the first place were people who went through the ritual and started hearing the voice in their head.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, those people. Yeah.

Jack: But then why were they having visions of Jesus? I understand getting the voice of Jehovah of Dark. These rituals are essentially meant to connect to the shadow realm.

Cristina: But why.

Jack: But why? And why, again, why are we getting. Why is there energy reliance on the shadow realm? One question we need to figure out. Why is Jehovah of Dark so interested in Jesus if that's not even his descendant? Why is. Why are his people. I mean, I guess his people are trying to stop it so the gods don't find the technology that is in fact the way to do it because they haven't figured it out. And the sea people have it. I understand getting. I guess getting Jesus was about that.

Cristina: Why do we think there's a Jehovah Dark? How do we know that's not Jesus? He's separating these two characters.

Jack: Well, Jehovah of Dark is literally who's been kind of doing a lot of this crap. It's. We have Jehovah of Dark at the very crossing point where all these horrible things end and needing sacrifices end and all this stuff. And then we just have Jesus suddenly show up. We have Jehovah of Dark in many instances, communicating and asking for really dark things. This is why the sacrifices were asked for. Jehovah of Light has no reason for that. Jehovah Light is who's still around. He got rid of Jesus and then we're just hearing Jehovah of Light all the time. No more Jehovah of Dark.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: They are clearly two different. The switch from one to the other was so dramatic that it's obvious they were two different beings. And Jesus trying to create gateways to access the point he can die. Go back and have a gate to come through already. Fine. But then he is a physical creature from this side to have to die to get there first. Jehovah of dark is some s*** over there trying to f****** get people to create that fear and that thing because he needs that to come through. Jehovah give a crap. So we're arguing Jehovah of light is equal to the Greek and the Norse gods. And Jesus was gonna be. We're not gonna be. Jesus was just some other guy. This is some kid. But something weird happened. So the sea people were definitely elevating quickly to the point that they already have the population. Technology. Probably, yes. And they have the ability to traverse realms which even the Norse gods don't and the Greek gods don't, but the sea people do. So we're also talking that, again, these are just technologically advanced beings that seem like gods from our point of view, but it's just technology. They have to. Yes, the Norse and the Greek, the Christian. This is just technology.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Except when we're talking about the Shadow.

Cristina: Realm, what are you missing?

Jack: I don't know what we're missing. There's a lot of questions answered and a lot of questions just that popped up.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: It's complicated.

Cristina: Complicated. Still so many missing pieces.

Jack: And everything depends on the Shadow Realm. Somehow the Shadow Realm is fueling this side somehow. And Mount Kaath was an access point. And the Shadow people somehow made Mount Kaf invisible. It was very important for them to do that. Now, that doesn't stop anything from Mount Kaath from coming to this side. As far as I know, you made it unseen.

Cristina: But they can still.

Jack: Which is about other people not finding it. So not letting others access the Shadow Realm is important, but you having access to the Shadow Realm is important. You found a way to get there without needing the mountain. So you hid the mountain. You have the fruit that allows you to get there. Well, code fruit. Some technology. You have some technology that allows you to cross the threshold into the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: What are they doing? I don't know. I don't know. Because what would they want to do with those?

Jack: And something about the old equator involves. Is involved here. Something about the civilizations on the old equator is part of this. The Mayans and the Egyptians are particularly important in whatever's going on.

Cristina: It has to do with the end of the world. It feels like, I don't know, three.

Jack: Technologies that are incredibly astounding and then one for population. Are they building an army and are they gonna attack the Shadow Realm and take over it?

Cristina: I don't feel like that's it.

Jack: Clothes is just so crazy. Throw s*** at the wall and see if something stinks.

Cristina: Yeah. Nah, that doesn't feel right. Because there's so much hiding going on with them. They're hiding. They're hiding everything.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Everything's being hidden.

Jack: After sharing everything.

Cristina: After sharing everything.

Jack: They were sharing everything for a really long time and then something backfired. And it's not backfired. Who knows if it backfires? Something changed. We know that much. Something changed and then hiding. Everything is hiding now. I think they did discover or create or invent some form of nuts. Technology that they have to keep away from other s***. And following the finding of this technology, it was totally fine for them to completely erase an access point which was Mount Kaf.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They were maybe using that access point, but now nobody else can find it. And we're so good at hiding s***. You guys can't find us. And you guys can. H*** no. In no way find that mountain?

Cristina: No.

Jack: But why? And what is the importance of Jesus to Jehovah of Dark?

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know. There's still things we gotta figure out.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: It's so weird. We got a lot of things, though. So much is solved thanks to all of this connecting to each other. But still it makes no sense.

Jack: The problem is I don't know where to go from here. I don't know where to go from here. We've dissected the old equator. We've dissected Norse mythology and found some answers. We've. I can keep dissecting other religions. I guess there has to be some.

Cristina: Connection because what if one of these things does have a solution to a problem? Because I feel like Norse did solve some things.

Jack: A lot of things.

Cristina: Yeah. So we actually might be a good idea.

Jack: Yeah. I mean, we use two different religion. Luciferianism and Norse mythology. Yeah, we just got a. We got a couple of. One new detail of hearing gods in your head and of the. Specifically the places of focus which Mount Kaaf was clearly one of them. A place where you have a stronger connection.

Cristina: Oh, were you gonna say something about the creatures, though? Were they important?

Jack: Which creatures?

Cristina: The giants and the dwarfs.

Jack: Well, know that there's definitely some. Some buffer between locations.

Cristina: But why is that important?

Jack: Because the mountains. That means that there's probably creatures in front of Mount Kaath that are helping protect it.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Presumably there are sea people around Mount Kaaf and that when the Greek mention the sea people and they mentioned the giants, they're talking about the same Two. The two things are the same thing. The giants that can take them down are the sea people. Unless the giants were made by the sea people.

Cristina: Oh, that's possible too. It could be either. Or.

Jack: The ability to make life.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Can you make any life?

Cristina: Probably, yes.

Jack: Can you make an infinitely strong army? Make the playing field so uneven with Adam and Eve?

Cristina: I think so. I think so.

Jack: Make an army. Send s*** to the Shadow Realm, Team a bunch of s*** over there that is too overpowered. Bring it over here. You got problems.

Cristina: You can make an army. Like Lilith used Adam to make an army of demons.

Jack: Holy s***. You're totally right. And if Adam is literally just creation technology, then she literally.

Cristina: She literally used the machine to create life.

Jack: What the f***? I forgot all about that. She literally used the technology to create an army of demons and as a result was cast from using the technology.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Whaaat?

Jack: Holy s***. So it is.

Cristina: It's tech.

Jack: It's really overpowered tech that can make anything. That's probably how they made the Pegasus.

Cristina: Yes, but they made human life using Adam and Eve. That's important. Just as for human life. But you don't need Eve to make life.

Jack: You only need Adam.

Cristina: You just need Adam and then pair it with something else, I guess. And you make something else.

Jack: So then Eve is something different.

Cristina: Yes. Eve is human life somehow.

Jack: Yes. You can make anything with Adam, but you can make. Not human. Maybe that's not. Maybe you can make humans with just Adam because you made Eve with just Adam. Allegedly. Although we can assume that that's probably wrong. But you can make anything with Adam. There's some special sauce that Eve adds that the pairing makes important. Yeah, that the pairing makes dangerous. Chances are they probably won't keep Adam and Eve together.

Cristina: No. Unless they need to make more humans. But I doubt they.

Jack: I don't think it's to make humans. I think you only need Adam to make humans. And I also don't think you made humans with it. I think humans were already there and then we started developing way later. I don't think that the sea people made us. I don't think they're our God. Unless we're. I mean, then again, Jehovah, the actual Jehovah, not Jehovah of dark, but Jehovah of light is a sea person.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: And if we're. I guess maybe we were made by this f****** technology. Adam.

Cristina: I definitely think so. I think our ancient ancestors come from this machine.

Jack: Fair enough. So we're androids that resemble. Which it would explain a lot Considering our mind works so identically to when we make a computer, make a hyper advanced technology, and our brains are almost indistinguishable. We even call it neural synapses, which is what we're working with. Neurons.

Cristina: I feel like there's still so much.

Jack: So then what the f*** is the point of Eve? What did Eve give us that the gods want? Because then it's not even about Adam. It's about Adam and Eve.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the fruits. Yes, it's about the three fruits in Adam and Eve. There's a lot of technology with the sea people that even the. What we consider gods, which are just other advanced creatures, we are like, what the f***? We need that s***. Yeah, fair enough. The gods, Norse gods, didn't make life. Greek gods didn't make life. They're gods. And then there's life.

Cristina: Mm. Well, I think in the Norse, they did make life out of clay. I don't know. It's some weird story, but the people were like puppets until he did something. I don't remember the complete story.

Jack: Yes, I do. I know what you're talking about. Yes.

Cristina: Which would mean, like, maybe Adam just makes the puppet a puppet.

Jack: Eve creates the mind.

Cristina: Yeah, because that's why when eat.

Jack: When Lilith did it, Adam, she could just make demons.

Cristina: Yeah, because they were.

Jack: They were soulless chimeras. Not even chimeras. Homunculus demons. Demons.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Artificial life. To make a perfect life form, you need the Eve component.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So they all have the atom technology. They all have the atom technology. They don't all have the EVE technology.

Cristina: Yes, I think so.

Jack: And because the sea people have the EVE technology, they can also use that to improve on the atom technology. So the sea people have the best version of the atom technology because the.

Cristina: EVE technology is kind of the atom technology, like 2.0 or whatever.

Jack: Yes, interesting. Yes. 2.0. You required one to build the other.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Closer to something.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: Closer to something. There's something making sense here.

Cristina: Yes, I think so.

Jack: Interesting. So the sea people might have made it. I mean, makes sense. If Jehovah is the one running this project. Madam. And Evar technology. There's not people who work there. Whatever we call the serpent is one of the guys who works there. And Lilith was one of the ones who worked there. You know, three people worked there for effect. Jehovah, the serpent, and Lilith. And Lilith went rogue and used it to create. She shouldn't have. And was removed from the project.

Cristina: Yeah. Just curious about this new toy that they had or whatever this is.

Jack: Or don't know how the this connects to Jesus because Jesus has a huge role to play here too. We've definitely solved adrenochrome. That's an easy shortcut over there. We've finally connected alicorn. That's whatever's fueling the creation of these technologies that are allowing a way over there without losing your f****** mind through adrenochrome. Yes, we know distilled adrenochrome ichor allows you to do some details of what alicorn, which is way more overpowered, does. We know Adam and Eve is technology to create life, specifically Adam, but Eve might be the next stage of that that allows for a particularly complicated life, which all the others can't seem to figure out, I think. So I don't know what Jesus fits here. I think everything else has been answered. I just don't know how Jesus.

Cristina: Besides that, we know that they are most likely afraid of him or they're hiding from him or whatever. They kicked him out.

Jack: Something is special about Jesus. Something is different about Jesus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we know Jesus is probably in cahoots with Jehovah of dark because he's like, you guys betray me for whatever reason. Yes, we've answered a lot. We're left with, what does he want? What? What's the point of Jesus? What's the point of Jesus? We know that the churches are accessing these shadow realm creatures for no reason. They probably think it's really God or whatever the. Who knows? Yeah, it's not really important as far as we know. Or they're being manipulated by Jesus, who they're probably hearing in their head, actually. Probably hear Jesus in their head.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Whatever the case might be, they're puppets. Him something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The question is, is Jesus? It doesn't seem like he is, but also he does go ahead and make Jesus gates so that creatures could cross over. He might be a puppet himself, or he might be part of the bigger picture.

Cristina: He might be.

Jack: He might be. We don't know, but that's what I got.

Cristina: That's amazing.

Jack: Thank you. Norse mythology. You connect a lot of thoughts. Thank you. Luciferianism, your dark, dark, crazy, psychotic s***. Dark, Dark definitely gave us enough information that we required. So, look, I need you guys and anybody help, please. If you got something, anything, contact us, reach us, let us know. You can hit us up on the socials at JustConvo, Pod, Anywhere, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok.

Cristina: And remember to subscribe and review the.

Jack: Show and tell people we're getting to the bottom of something. Word of mouth is incredibly overpowered. And if you've ever had these weird a** questions and wanted to know the truest truths. Nobody's. Nobody's doing this. We're one and only here. This is like the deepest underground set of information you could ever find, right? You know how hard I f****** learned to find this s***? I can only explain to you how many dark web websites I have to travel to access documents that people have stolen from churches just to upload online because the church will obviously not let the surface web ever get this. And you can't really raise it off the. Off the dark web. You understand how hard it is to do this and like how many government watch lists I'm probably on for like traveling through these places? You just for this ridiculous. You guys should be thanking me.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

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July 08, 2023

Rambling 233: The Tanker War

July 08, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why did The United States support Iraq during the Iraq-Iran War? Why’d the Tanker War happen as a result? What were either of these conflicts really about? The duo deep dive into the war of the 80s curious to discover where the clues lead.

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Topics Discussed:

New Islam Ideology
Inconsistent Religious Text
The Sacred Lions
Mount Qaf
The Gateway
Alcaraz Palace
The Persian Gulf Conflict

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Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And so there was a particularly absurd and baffling idea that I wanted to ground for humanity.

Cristina: What's that?

Jack: I wanted to know what the h*** was the point of the United States being involved in the Iraq Iran war and what the point of the Iraq Iran war was.

Cristina: What got you thinking about that, though?

Jack: The fact that we hate both of those countries as a government, like our government hates both of those countries. What was the end like? Publicly, one of our politicians goes as far as to say that they wish they could both lose, but that's impossible.

Cristina: Okay, is this war still happening? What's happening?

Jack: No, this. This is old.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: This began in 1980 and ended in 1988. Okay, so a very, very, very long.

Cristina: Time ago, but currently people still hate.

Jack: The United States does. The United States is a racist piece of s*** that definitely does not like the Middle east and believes in bombing the crap out of them. Any ch. Obama made sure of that by removing a bunch of soldiers from over there and sending all the drones to continue raining a robotic h*** down on them. That's just what America does. Marka bombs the Middle east always.

Cristina: And then Biden took out the troops and left all the guns so that they could continue killing each other.

Jack: Yes, they can continue killing each other, and the drones can continue killing them as well. And our soldiers are nice and safe. Marca. Okay, funny, funny. Unrelated to this joke I was seeing, it was an interview, and it was Putin and some other guy having a conversation, and they were like, americans. If you're struggling with understanding what's happening with the United States and Ukraine, just imagine that. That Russia is the United States and that the Ukraine is like Africa or some Middle Eastern country. And I was like, oh, man. Oh, man. That's an easy way for Americans to get it.

Cristina: What?

Jack: They were like this. And then Putin just couldn't. He tried to keep a serious face and just, like, cracked up. He's like, that was too much, bro. Just imagine that Russia is America and that Ukraine is some Middle Eastern country. And I just. That was just too good.

Cristina: And what is our hate with the Middle East?

Jack: I have no idea. I have no clue. I have no clue what the h*** the Americans hate. I mean, before we even jump into what I'm Going to talk about.

Cristina: We're gonna go back.

Jack: We be. No, we just began with we hope. We wish they could both lose. I don't know what the beef is. Like, I.

Cristina: Was that said back then or was that said recently?

Jack: No, that was said during. Before we got into it.

Cristina: Oh, oh.

Jack: Before we got into it, it was like, I wish they could both lose, but. Oh, but that's impossible.

Cristina: Oh. Oh, that's.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So. So my curiosity was primarily with. Why the h*** did the United States get involved? Now, obviously, there's always the official reasons, but I don't believe any government about anything they say ever, because it's all.

Cristina: Like, for peacekeeping reason, some crap like that.

Jack: The United States always has their. Their reasoning, which is always noble and whatever. And so they're like, you know, the officially stated reason is so that Iran wouldn't win because Iran has an. You know, they're the bad guys for whatever reason. We gotta pick a side.

Cristina: We have to pick a side. So whoever sides we're not on is a bad guy.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Always for whatever reason. So I'm gonna. It's gonna be very apparent as I go through this what the truth of the matter is. I don't believe anything I'm ever told by a government. And as we peel layers back, we're gonna go through phases, and these phases are gonna reveal a lot of information. And we're gonna be like, oh, all.

Cristina: Right, so we're peeling an onion.

Jack: We're peeling an onion.

Cristina: All right, so first, let's try to.

Jack: Comprehend what the Iraq Iran war was.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Okay. So 1980 to 1988. This is the timeline we're looking at when we're talking about this war. Officially, this is what the case is. The war began because Iraq feared a new ideology which was spreading along Iran would spread to them.

Cristina: Is it a religion?

Jack: Yeah, it's. Well, it's the same religion they already follow. It's a different variant of it. It's like if the Pentecostals were like, we don't want Jehovah's Witnesses to force us.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like, you're ultimately all Christian.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But this version of Christianity versus that version of Christianity, even if ultimately it's the same idea, they're like, no. They were like, no. And the United States was like, we side with Iraq. I don't. We don't even like Islam. We just. We're. We're ab.

Cristina: Wait, who was who again? Who wants to stop the other person from spreading?

Jack: Iraq doesn't want the new Iranian version of Islam to leak into their Iraq.

Cristina: And America was like, Iraq is right.

Jack: Iraq is right. Iraq is totally right. Yes.

Cristina: Don't spread your religious.

Jack: Don't let the Islam of Iran overtake the Islam of Iraq. Because we care so much about Islam that we were like, oh no, this version is the right version of Islam.

Cristina: This is insane already.

Jack: It's absolutely crazy. This makes no sense. Based on what? Like, this is exactly why I asked the question, right? Like, come on, bro, you're not going to tell me this, this reason you gave us made sense?

Cristina: Is this one somehow closer to Christianity or something? Like what is like, I don't understand. We're the freedom of religious country to.

Jack: Like, like, yeah, whatever happens, happens. Let whoever wants to spread whatever happened. It's not our business, but we got involved nevertheless.

Cristina: But that's a weird side to be on when we're the ones that ran away from somewhere else because of religion and want to believe whatever we want to believe. And now we're like, no, you can't spread that. Like, I don't understand.

Jack: Well, it would be spreading it onto an already existing, like, based on our rules. It's like, well, Iraq should be able to believe whatever they want.

Cristina: Okay, but the force and Iran would.

Jack: Be forcing it on Iraq, their new belief.

Cristina: How. How are they doing that then?

Jack: Well, I'll continue. There's a leader of the new Islamic ideology. His name was. I'm a destroy this name Ruhalla Romani. So hopefully I didn't f*** that up, but who cares? This guy was a horrible person. So I don't know. Based on the, like, the United States isn't going to complain about it.

Cristina: This is a government guy or religious guy?

Jack: Both problems already, okay? Both. Because it wasn't just religion. He was a politician and he wanted a version of political religion. Now we're starting to get a better picture, right? It was political religion that he was pushing. So the. But it's crazy because that already is what's happening in Iraq. It's political religion.

Cristina: He's trying to push it onto the other country or he's just Iraq. Yes.

Jack: So the idea, his ultimate idea is that he wants to unite both versions of Islam, the Iranian version and the Iraq version of Islam into one cohesive version under a main umbrella. And it's his version of Islam or not his version, but the version that him and his followers are essentially on.

Cristina: And we're like, we don't want peace.

Jack: We don't want peace and unity. We need you guys to continue killing each other at every possible Turn and we're gonna help you. Kill some of you, so that you guys continue killing some of you. Interesting, because we could have just helped the guy who's spreading it and be like, yeah, unity sounds pretty sweet, but no, let's continue. Instability, that's very, very important to us.

Cristina: Yes, we love it.

Jack: Yeah. We can't have the Middle east uniting. Then they become a giant country our size with equal intelligence and power. And then what? Then. Then it's. They're not a third world. We can't keep them in the Third world. They become the First World. And, like, we don't like that. We're like, state third world. So we can talk about.

Cristina: Where's the Second World?

Jack: I don't know. Australia. Like, it's savage and civilized simultaneously. I guess. South Africa.

Cristina: South Africa.

Jack: Is that. I think that would be like the Second World. Right? That's not a Third World country.

Cristina: Does anyone ever say second World? Does anyone call themselves Second World?

Jack: Does anybody call themselves Third World? That might just be some.

Cristina: That's pretty American. Yes, but.

Jack: Okay, the idea is there. Ultimately, they're trying to push this existing idea, this existing religion onto another existing religion. But politically speaking, yes. Fine. Okay, Fine and dandy. Why do we have to pick a side? Still don't know. It's still ridiculous. My guess, absolute instability is what we desire from the Middle East. We can't have anything.

Cristina: Is the world saying things or is it just our country that's.

Jack: But we're buddying it. There's not a lot of people taking part in this. It's really those two. And then us.

Cristina: Not in the uk, not even Russia. No one.

Jack: None of that matters because of the point of what I'm talking about there. Maybe they weren't significant enough to have shown up while I was researching this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The important people are the ones I've mentioned. The United States was the point of this question. So we're focusing on that. And as far as we know, not a clue. We have no clue why there is any interest. I believe it is to maintain instability. That seems the only logical reason we would be involved in this, to maintain instability amongst the Middle East. Because if unity happened at any moment, then what? Okay, so the leader of this movement had a couple of lines that he would quote consistently. These lines immediately caught my attention while I was looking at them. So he went out of his way to state consistently that this ideological government was an order from above. Never at any point that he specifically mention God or Allah in saying it was an order from above. I Found that interesting, considering most people in those texts will immediately cite their God above. He would say Allah, but never when he's talking about an order from above. I found that particularly interesting. That's the good part about having a lot of journalistic experience, spotting inconsistencies, and so those weren't in accordance with a lot of the way people spoke. But anyways, he believes that people were fearful of the truth and fleeing from. This is a direct quote. Fearful of the truth and fleeing from it and from the remembrance of Allah and the Quran. Fine. That line didn't catch my attention. He said it a lot. As much as he would say an order from above, but he would also say this next line that really, really made me go, He also stated that they were fearful of a lion resting in our faith. A lion fearful of a lion resting in our faith. Like, you're just scared of the big bad cat waiting for you. Make a move. But that's. That's how he was displaying it. Oh, you're just fearful because you see something big and you don't want to move. But our faith should be stronger. And even if there is a lion, you should walk into that lion's den.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But the terminology was just. You could have worded this any other way. You're fearful of a lion, huh? Are you thinking about many things?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But this immediately made me, you know, go back, look at a couple of things. So the lion holds great significance in Islamic belief, which is why it's weird that he would word it in such a way if you're also pushing Islam. What. What's your beef with the lion, bro? It's like, a lot of the time used to represent strength and wisdom, bravery, leadership, a lot. We've seen it in many other cultures. We've seen it. The deceased people have it. The Christians have it. The Jews have it. It's everywhere. Lion is everywhere. What is your beef, and why is that the example?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Something about what you're preaching is now different than what everybody else is preaching. Because you didn't like the lion. Everybody else loves the lion. You didn't like the what? Why? Okay, so one of the more concerning lines which led to the war was the suggestion that Iran was to fill the Islamic vacancy left for the last 2000 years. One which cannot and will not be questioned, which was repeated often in his propaganda. Okay, okay. You got way specific, bro. You got way specific. You're gonna fill a vacancy that was formed for the last 2000 years. A religious vacancy that was formed for the last 2,000 years, a political, religious vacancy. I can only think of Jesus Christ 2000 years ago, bro. Yeah, like, that's hyper specific. What are you talking about? What vacancy? Christianity, Islam became quite substantial belief systems then. What vacancy are you talking about?

Cristina: Do you have any idea? Because what does that mean?

Jack: Well, the biggest issue my concern is what you're thinking. Like, what the f*** do you mean, bro? But the way that Iraq perceived this is, and I'm assuming the United States too, because of one which cannot and will not be questioned. It rings in such a way. Well, first of all, it's absolutely cryptic and confusing, but secondly, it rings like dictatorship, Like a strong push towards dictatorship, which is presumably what the United States.

Cristina: Saw and be like, bad guy.

Jack: Yeah, exactly, exactly. We were suddenly like, that's against democracy. Now we got an excuse.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He sounds like he's a dictator, and we don't like dictators. We go to war with all the dictators. Not to say that being a dictator is necessarily bad. I'm sure at some point in history there's gonna be a really good dictator. It's just humans get corrupted quick. But also, like, what politician do we have that isn't corrupt? For us to be pointing at some other political system being like, no, that's corrupt. Like, shut the f*** up. We're all corrupt.

Cristina: That's very true, points out the politician.

Jack: So I know surface details about ancient Islamic beliefs. So I had to do some mythological digging to find, you know, what happened in the last 2000 ish years relative and what the belief systems were. So let's unpack a couple of details of ancient Iranian mythology.

Cristina: Okay, so wait, before you do that, can I just ask one more question about this Fire the two, they already had separate religions, or were they already believing the same religion before this guy came? Like, what was happening religiously?

Jack: They were both Islamic already.

Cristina: Okay. And he's like, we're both like, Islamic. Let's partner up.

Jack: Well, they're different variants of Islam. They're both is. Again, it's like the Jehovah's Witness crossing paths with the Pentecostals.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: So it's just different variants of them that are there. And I guess he had a version that a version existed that. That he believed in and he made particularly powerful with his group. With his group of people. Yeah. So they truly, honestly believe that this was the right way and they were trying to spread that, but in a political way, not just in a religious way. They were trying to enforce it politically, legislate and whatnot.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're trying to bring Iraq into that, to unite under this new. And the Iraqis were like, no, this is not happening. What we believe is right, what you believe is wrong. And we weren't bothering you, but you're not going to force that on us. Okay, now we go back into these things. There was a noble despot, which is basically a dictator guarded by two vipers. Now, weird. Noble and snakes together might be the only mention in any religious text that I have ever seen other than Norse mythology that insinuates a snake being on the right side of things. That caught my attention quite heftily. I was like, what, dude? Okay, you got mentions of good snakes. You're defending the good guy. What?

Cristina: But.

Jack: Okay, whatever. Yeah, I found that weird. Then I come across something called Mount Kafka. Now this mountain. Get ready for this. I didn't know about this. I know about this. The first time I've heard about this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Mount Kaath is a mountain said to belong to the Djinn, a gateway from another realm, specifically said to be the beginning of the unseen divine world. This is an ancient f****** text.

Cristina: The sea people, they live in the other world. Whatever.

Jack: Sea people don't live in the other world. This is the Shadow Realm, bro.

Cristina: I know it's the Shadow Realm, but they. They don't. I don't know. They have mountains and the mountains can teleport. Like, it's not teleporting to here, but.

Jack: This is saying, Jin, this has no mention of the sea people.

Cristina: I feel like it's related now, but continue.

Jack: I see where you're coming from, though, but the mountain is located in the Caspian Sea, the body of water directly above the Persian Gulf. Interesting. We're going to get to a conclusion in a moment. Definitely fascinating that there is a mountain near the Persian Gulf where there are jinn and is said to be a port. Not only are there Djinn, but it belongs to the Djinn. And it's said to contain a portal from where the jinn are coming from.

Cristina: Exactly. Opposite sides are just things that come from the other side.

Jack: Yes, well, humanoids from the Shadow Realm. Because there's a bunch of other non Djinn things on the other side of the Shadow Room. But yeah, ultimately the human, quote, humans unquote of the Shadow Realm are the Djinn. There's a mountain called Kaath that happens to have a portal. There's a lot of echoes here of reminiscent things.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But. Okay, we go on. And I find that there is a type of thing called the Da'. Eva.

Cristina: What is that?

Jack: The Da' eva is the name of the leaders of the Jinn and other creatures among the mountain, oftentimes referred to as the gods of the Djinn. Oh, very interesting. There is one specific one called Dai. Who's the big Kahuna? The biggest Kahuna. The creator of that realm.

Cristina: The creator of that realm, yes.

Jack: Now I'm starting to see a whole other image because I thought I had the same ideas you had until I did. Dug a little deeper and I'm like, weren't the sea People avoiding something?

Cristina: Exactly. Now I'm confused. Because we thought they were avoiding that God from that other place.

Jack: That's what I still believe is the case. Get the f*** out of Dodge. Because that s***'s right around the corner.

Cristina: That's where they came from.

Jack: That's not where the sea people came from. That's where the thing that wants what the sea people had came from. So they were like, let's get the f*** out of here with all of it. And so they went. The Atlantic Ocean is my belief, because the Big Bad is right there. Jehovah the scientist and whatever the other thing is that he was trying to hide the Garden of Eden from came from that mountain. In theory. I don't know. That's my guess so far. But interesting things we never knew about. Additionally part of the same. Also, it's important to say that Iranians are Persians. The same thing. Iranians is Persians is the name of that entire region, including the Iraqis and basically the Middle East, Saudi Arabia, all of that was Persia. Okay, so there's a place called Alcaraz Palace.

Cristina: Is this a real place?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Alcaraz palace was completely made out of marble. According to ancient texts, the palace was colossal. A big city under one roof with its walls extending from one horizon to the other. And it was situated along the coast of Persia, AKA the Persian Gulf.

Cristina: It was a city right next to the water. So in a sort of bubble already.

Jack: And this name is actually in a couple of texts. I didn't catch it before when I came across the name, but this is the actual name of the Persian Gulf oasis. Like the main quarters.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They had a name all along. It was Alcaraz Palace. That is where maybe the main politicians or the big bads or those, you know, the big kahunas of the sea people lived.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there were.

Cristina: There was a civilization in a building, which sort of.

Jack: No, not just a city in a building, because I assuming there's a dome and a bunch of buildings. But this was the biggest of the buildings. The biggest of the buildings in the city.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The big quarters. This is Mount Olympus of the sea people. Now, the palace was known for having a large library. This is just me reading parts of these texts. Large library, many books which didn't survive to this day. However, some books did, such as the Avasta, are still used, which is used for Islam. It's one of the texts that's used to enforce Islam.

Cristina: I thought you were gonna say it's a BC area or something. No, no, no, that's random.

Jack: Now, the picture that's painted so far, as far as I can see, this guy is preaching a version of Islam that disagrees with the current state of Islam that is there. He's talking about an ancient form of Islam and a vacancy that was formed presumably when the sea people left the Persian Gulf oasis and migrated to the Atlantic Ocean, which was roughly 2,000 years ago.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That movement coincided perfectly with the lack of inner. With a sudden stop in interaction with an evil super God that decided to consistently torture, kill all this nonsense. Jehovah. Quote, Jehovah became good 2000 years ago and stopped murdering. This guy says a vacancy began 2,000 years ago. It looks like this guy's version of Islam is whatever the h*** the mountain was. Mount Kaf. He was on the side of the Jinn. That's the religion he believes should exist. Keep in mind, all of this is still Persia, Iran and Iraq. All of this is still Persia. This man in the 80s is essentially preaching the shadow realm version of it.

Cristina: Interesting. But then his goal wouldn't just be to have these two countries reunite, but the whole Middle east or just these two countries.

Jack: It's possible that it's about taking over the Middle east because he would start with Iraq. Yeah, but there are many other parts of the Middle east that are. The majority is Islamic. And like Christianity, it's a lot of different sects. So in theory, what you're thinking is what I'm thinking. He wanted to you unify all the versions of Islam under this shadow version of it, worshiping some sort of shadow God, the Jehovah of Dark.

Cristina: Who spoke to him?

Jack: Who spoke to him? Direct orders from Jehovah of Dark.

Cristina: That's why he said to avoid the lion or something.

Jack: Avoid the lion? Like we're fleeing from the lion. It's like, no, don't flee the lion is whatever system was already there, which happens to be every other religion is based on. But that's not even the point. Primarily the religion of the sea people. They worshiped the lion, specifically. Interesting.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now, why did we get involved? Is still the question lingering. But suddenly when we get here, a lot of mist is lifted. Because why? Because they were made to. The United States wanted no part in this. They were obligated to. Because by the sea people.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: They were made to take part and preserve.

Cristina: To stop it.

Jack: To stop it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: To stop the overtake. Because it's corrupt. They know. They understand, like, it's global types of bad. You're gonna allow them to take over. They'll expand a little more. And they'll expand a little more. They'll give this thing enough power to do what it does. And you're going to go back to what it was like before year one, okay? And nobody wants that guy out here. This was a push to bring Jehovah of Dark out of wherever he was put. Presumably Mount Kaf got sealed off because Mount Kaf's location is only known as the Caspian Sea. There's no specific location for it. Because one of the very things that's stated about Mankof is it could only be found by those willing to embrace it. You have to want what's there to even see the mountain.

Cristina: So he saw the mountain.

Jack: Who saw the mountain? The guy? Yeah, probably. The point is that the mountain can't be found and that the mountain was probably pushed away entirely. I'm assuming the mountain was absolutely normal, physically speaking, before Jehovah of Dark was sealed in there back on his side. So the gateway, the mountain and everything on it plunged into wherever by the sea people and whatever abilities they had to do. So, so the mountain just disappears.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that nobody can access Jehovah of Dark, but this guy somehow finds a way or reads a text or something. Something. Maybe he never saw the mountain.

Cristina: We get some kind of connection to this God.

Jack: But he knows. Yeah, he knows something. Presumably God on the other side communicating somehow. You know, he could probably just gather enough energy to manifest and at least send his voice. And this guy hears it and he's like, God is speaking to me, of course, but it's the God of Dark. It's Jehovah of Dark. And so he commences this entire process, gets people on board. The movement starts to pick up. At first it wasn't a problem, but with time it started to build up more and more and more until the sea people were like, this is becoming a problem.

Cristina: Okay? And then we did something.

Jack: When they finally started the push into a different country, then they were like, that's absolutely too strong. It's not just with us. It's not just a faction within a country now. It's a country trying to push into another country. Yeah, it grew too much. Now the United States again doesn't care. We hate the Middle east. That's our M.O.

Cristina: We want them to die. Okay?

Jack: We want them to die. And the sea people don't care. They're like, whatever, dude. We'll let them do what they're gonna do is perfectly fine. Let them kill each other, too. We don't give a crap. We got out of.

Cristina: Got to protect this secret.

Jack: We got to. Yeah, we got to protect the secret. And they went over here. Fine. It's all hidden and nothing matters until the waves, the sound of Jehovah, of dark, maybe come back that suddenly. Oh, hold up. Now. We got to take some action. But they're not going to take action themselves. They don't exist to the world, so they need a proxy. Enter America.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They're right next to us. They're right there in the Atlantic Ocean, right next to us. We respond to what they want. Had they been next to some European country, they would have bent their arm. But we're the closest, we're the loudest, and we're known for crap like this anyways, so send the Americans in to stop the problem. So then we. The war breaks out, and they start to help Iraq because the Iranians are following the God of dark. Suddenly, the image makes perfect sense.

Cristina: Yes. Yes.

Jack: Now, let's talk a little more about this war. The Iranian war began. The Iranian Iraqi war began in 1980 and ended in 1988. Perfect. In the middle of that, there was something called the Tanker War. Same countries, but this took place in the Persian Gulf. Now, the official narrative here is this was over trade routes.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You know, because the war is happening. We're all surrounding this thing. Saudi Arabia, to current day, known as the guardians of the Persian Gulf. Like, at this moment for, like, a really long time. They're the people who usually kind of keep the peace in that area because they're neutral, according to a bunch of these other people who hate each other. They tend to be removed because they're also the most powerful group there. People just kind of subdue them. So they side also with Iraq. Okay, so we have another country enter. And they are also, like, we don't like what's going on there. But they only got involved at this point. They only got involved once it went to the Persian Gulf.

Cristina: Because of the trade routes.

Jack: Because the trade routes, quote. Because trade routes unquote. Okay, Saudi Arabia got involved. Now all of this is happening around them the entire time. This began in 1984 and ended in 1988. So this is four years after it began. They were neutral. They didn't care. It didn't bother them until it bled into the Persian Gulf. Suddenly they're like, okay, we're in, and we're not letting you guys do whatever you're doing here. Trade routes, blah, blah, blah. Now, this is just a smaller conflict. And what's weird about this is that both sides fighting for trade routes seem to be really fixated with establishing trade routes along the path where they both were. It said that the palace of Alcaraz was located. How convenient that where you're trying to set trade routes and that the second smaller conflict breaks out happens to be where the Persian Gulf oasis was.

Cristina: Why do you think that spot is important?

Jack: Because either the Iranians are trying to erase the history that's there or capture whatever was left behind. Something about that required. Something about that area required Saudi Arabia to stay behind and guard it. Okay, there's something to guard. And Iran wanted that. Wanted to either capture it or destroy it. That part is unclear. I just know that for whatever reason, in 1984, suddenly a second conflict about trade routes that just so happened to be over where the palace of Alcaraz was, AKA the Persian Gulf oasis. So there's a lot of effort here being made in an obvious, obvious fashion for what seems to be Jehovah of Dark, A missing mountain, the Persian Gulf oasis ruins or whatever we would call that. If it's. If it's possible that it could be ruined now. What do you think about this? This is crazy, right?

Cristina: Yes. I think it's happening. Or it was happening that the. That guy was working with him, I guess. I don't know. That's so weird because he was speaking to something.

Jack: He was speaking to something. It's so specific. It's so specific that he would say things in such a way that lions are the problem. Lions. You're fearful of lions? Why are you fearful of lions? We had weird. The fact that this is this. I'm totally thrown off by the fact that a mountain with a portal to the Shadow Realm and the Atlanteans are.

Cristina: In the same spot.

Jack: Portals.

Cristina: It's so crazy. That is weird.

Jack: Yeah. The Atlanteans establish portals on mountains as well.

Cristina: Yes. How are they really?

Jack: Unless it's not because Pegasus. They fly to the tops of mountains.

Cristina: No, we don't know that. We know they come down from Mountains.

Jack: We know they come down from mountains with Pegasus.

Cristina: That doesn't mean they fly up with Pegasus.

Jack: Yes, we don't actually know that for a fact. You're totally right. We know. Mountains. Mountains. Something is weird about mountains.

Cristina: Yeah. Portal technology. There's portals on this mountain specifically, that goes to the other side, to the shadow realm.

Jack: There's a way to get to the shadow. There's an actual physical gate to the shadow realm.

Cristina: So they might also have found that, and maybe that helped them with the technology to teleport.

Jack: I am thinking that. I'm really, really believing that they put that mountain away. I believe that the sea people went out of their way, assuming Jehovah is also one of the sea people. And they put away this mountain. They closed the portal, they got rid of the Djinn, they closed the mountain, and they made it vanish. Which is why it's a mountain that cann be found.

Cristina: Yeah, but did they base their portal technology off of a natural portal?

Jack: That's interesting, because this portal isn't a. We're talking the difference between a portal and a wormhole.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Because this is a portal to a different realm, as opposed to what the sea people have, which seems to just be teleportation technology.

Cristina: Yeah. That's so crazy. Advanced teleportation technology.

Jack: Well, we know they're advanced. I'm not sure why that's a surprise. That's the fact of the matter. Matter.

Cristina: Yes, but.

Jack: And, like, other than the mountain part, it doesn't seem to be connected. It seems very different. Because it never said, like, you go through a portal on top of Mount Athos and you end up at. In a different realm. Yeah, in a different universe.

Cristina: In heaven, they must have at least been inspired to put their portals on mountains because of this portal on a mountain?

Jack: It depends how old we think this mountain is.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because you gotta also understand that Mary went through one of these portals that took her from one location to the other on Earth. So did they. This mountain, Mount Kaf, must be millions of years old, the way that the sea people are, and thus they use the technology, discovered this technology or adapted it millions of years ago. And that would be the case because if it happened around 2,000 years ago, then no, that wouldn't. Like, the timeline doesn't check out. You know, they already had it. And if this was the first encounter with the mountain, that they finally found a way to stop it, that there is finally safe enough for them to head over there and stop the mountain, then that means they would have never encountered the mountain until that moment. And they couldn't have taken the technology from there.

Cristina: The mountain disappeared 2,000 years ago.

Jack: Yes, from. Not necessarily disappeared. The discrepancy in text. Basically, it was just a mountain that belonged to the Djinn and the Daivi, or whatever they're called. And around 2,000 years ago, which is also around the same time that Jehovah of darkness just vanishes around that point is where now the mountain can only be found by those who seek it, by those who are worthy and those who are. Who want what it offers.

Cristina: Okay, so, yeah, it does sound like they're hiding it with their own technology.

Jack: Yes. I'm thinking two different types of things. Natural something, and the crazy advanced, overpowered technology of the sea people. They somehow plunge this mountain away. The same way they hide a literal island garden. Okay, Unless it's not an island garden. And these are all code names for technology, which seems to be the most likely.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But either way, they can hide themselves an entire city. So they can hide a mountain.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Presumably in plain sight. The mountain probably never moved. The mountain is probably a mountain over water or something. And it's cloaked.

Cristina: You can still see it randomly.

Jack: I'm thinking whoever knows where it is just walks in that direction. Think of Wakanda. It doesn't cease to be where it is. It just can't be seen without being there. But if you manage to cross and get to the barrier. Well, now touch it. You can see the other side. You can cross the barrier. Because it's just being cloaked. Yeah, it's still there. Now they somehow sealed whatever was in there. Nothing can get out. And Jehovah of Dark is trapped in there. He also can't get out. The mountain invisible, but the mountain still there somewhere. Mount Kaaf is on Earth. Somewhere in the Caspian Sea. Still there, invisible.

Cristina: Right next to where they used to live.

Jack: Right next to the Persian Gulf. The Caspian Sea. Basically. If you're looking at a globe, north is the Caspian Sea. Then you go down a little, you hit Iraq. You go down a little more, you hit Iran. You go down a little more. Persian Gulf.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They are divided, the Persian Gulf and the Caspian Sea, by Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Those are the countries in between these two bodies of war.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: To the north, Caspian Sea. To the south, the Persian Gulf. And there's a mountain in the Caspian Sea. Totally vanished. Disappeared. Doesn't exist, but it's still there. It sounds like sea people technology.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Your ability to make things vanish in your face.

Cristina: Mm. What happened? What happened? It's like we have so many pieces of this story, many fragments. Yes. Somehow Jesus is involved.

Jack: Yes, 100%.

Cristina: Just 2,000 years ago.

Jack: Everything happened 2,000 years ago.

Cristina: And it's still question like, were they hiding from him? Were they trying to hide him? What.

Jack: What bothers me is that I just ask a random question out of curiosity, like, what was our point? I knew it would go here simply because of the one fact that it doesn't seem logical for us to involve ourselves in this conflict. And it evolves the Middle east, which is Persia. I knew this is the only reason I chased this. I knew where this was going. By default, he's a Persia because Persia.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: Now I. Not literally where it was going. I knew what was going to be mentioned, which was definitely the Sea People. Of course, I did not know that djinns were gonna come up.

Cristina: No, that's.

Jack: That's random.

Cristina: Mind blowing.

Jack: But now we have very vividly another instance in which we've connected or gotten proximity between two things. Last time we managed to get proximity between Adrenochrome and the Sea People. Now we again made proximity between the Shadow Realm and the Sea People. And we know factually because we made in the past long ago the proximity of Adrenochrome and the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: There's still something missing. They're like. It's connect. They're dotted lines that we gotta fill out. What? This is crazy.

Jack: Something about mountains that keep showing up. Something about mountains that keep showing up. Portals on mountains. Cyprus had one too.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Portals and mountains. Something about portals and mountains. Interesting enough.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The Shinto shrine design and pathways.

Cristina: I was about to. I was thinking about portals. I was thinking about it.

Jack: Yep. Just looks like portals.

Cristina: And one of those stories is Jesus made tribes.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yep. You see, you see how all of this kind of works together? Looks like portals, bro?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Shrines where deities, divine entities, spirits and ghosts come through, go to hover around, happen to be on mountains. And they literally look like portals.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If we assume in Western culture, a single portal at the top, and we don't see it because nobody's allowed up there, but if we look at the places where we are allowed to look, more or less the same idea, the same people visited those locations, except we're allowed to look and we see gateways that look like freaking portals, we can assume that maybe these same gateways are on top of these other mountains. Maybe not necessarily on top of Mount Kafka. Definitely something else happening up there. But at least in Shinto and on top of Athos. And on top of Cyprus, there must be something that looks like these Shinto shrine archways, creating a visual that maybe there is some teleportation technology working in some kind of quantum state that allows them to just poof out of here and poof over there.

Cristina: Yeah. What?

Jack: But the bigger picture is hazy.

Cristina: It's so hazy.

Jack: Yeah, we have all the parts. We keep circling the same parts. Everything leads back to the same parts. I just asked, why did the United States get involved in the Iraq Iranian war and moved forward from there? We know we don't like those people. Why did we go help either one of them?

Cristina: Because something told us to.

Jack: Something told us to. Something was bigger than our dislike of the Middle East. They convinced us by telling us. Well, they didn't have to convince us. They're overpowered in ridiculous fashion. If they could, like, strong arm us to do kind of anything. But I'm sure they didn't. I'm sure it was like, look, this is what it'll look like if you let it happen. And they were like, oh, crap. And then we just kind of went and did our thing. Yeah, but the fact that it circled right back, this ideology that this man was pushing, that scene. There are people now still now. But then we see these politicians talking about the adrenochrome, these politicians talking about child sacrifice. We know of an island on Earth where children were trafficked to. Children were abused in many different ways.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's a fact. That's real. Did this island have a mountain, though? Did Epstein's island have a mountain, though? Okay, so. No, it is absurdly flat.

Cristina: It's very flat.

Jack: Well, maybe the idea is that this was just remote as f***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because can these people find Mount Koth? If they did, they wouldn't need adrenochrome. There's no mountain here. And that's why they need adrenochrome, because then you can access the other side. If you have access to the mountains, you don't need adrenochrome. I guess that's the break. So we're, in theory, we're talking natural elements of this side connecting to the Shadow Realm will never cross the unnatural elements on this side of adrenochrome, because that would defeat the purpose. You're using adrenochrome because you can't find the natural elements of the Shadow Realm on this side. If you could, you wouldn't need the adrenochrome. You would just use the portal.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So on top of the fact that the adrenal chrome could give you immortality and special abilities. If you crossed over to the shadow realm through that portal, would you just fall apart? Because your body can't sustain on that version of reality. So you need adrenochrome anyways.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Makes more sense to do that. And this belief system isn't talking about them crossing. This belief system seems to be about bringing what's over there over here over here. Based on the logic, we know Jehovah of Dark is over there. Jinn reside on this mountain, and it's a portal to that side.

Cristina: And Jesus might be over there.

Jack: I don't think Jesus is over there. And I don't think the portals that Jesus built have anything to do with the natural portal that exists on Mount Cough. I think those are unrelated. I think the Jesus portals are technology and they are sea people. Technology.

Cristina: But was he trying to get to the sea or was he trying to get to the.

Jack: I think the sea.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because why would he try to get to the other side? They sealed that off intentionally.

Cristina: He seems very interested in adrenochrome. He seems to be adrenochrome addict. Like, I know they twisted him into a hero and made him a good guy, but those are the books that they put out. Yes, the Bible.

Jack: Because there is a giant correction happening as well.

Cristina: Yes, because they were on the side of his mom. She was one of them. That doesn't mean they were on his side.

Jack: Yeah, because the Magi's job was entirely to correct and suppress and protect.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So they went out of their way on top of making the Knights Templar, in order to also continue to eradicate any information and rewrite. Continuous rewrites.

Cristina: Which the rewrite could be that our hero is the villain.

Jack: Well, the rewrite. Yeah, it's rewriting that he was the villain.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they did kick him out.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they totally welcomed Mary, but they did not welcome Jesus.

Cristina: No, but they're telling us the lie that he's a good guy.

Jack: But those portals. Those portals. I mean, the portals do say. Fair enough. Fair enough. Nothing about Mount Athos has ever said demons. That feels technology. They just show up. It doesn't feel weird. It doesn't feel dark. But everything about the Jesus portals feels dark. Because it's Shinto portals.

Cristina: Yes, we know. Demons are there.

Jack: Demons, spirits, divinity, all of it. All of it. So maybe you're right. Jesus found the way. Actually, what you were saying before is literally what Jesus was doing, but not what the sea people were doing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You were thinking the sea people created adopted Technology. No, Jesus did.

Cristina: Jesus did.

Jack: Jesus did. The sea people did not.

Cristina: No.

Jack: They were doing everything in their power to separate these two entities. We need to get rid of that mountain. We need to get rid of Jesus and not let them cross paths. Worked. Except Jesus is still a sea person. He has the intellect, he has know how, and he's some sort of divinity himself. And they knew the visions of this child would allure people to whatever it is that Adam and Eve and the Garden of Eden are. There's something weird and special about this child. And the kids somehow still, still f****** managed to make portals that allow at least lesser beings to come through.

Cristina: Yes. But not this bigger, scarier thing.

Jack: They're trying to hunt and they manage to kill Jesus. I'm assuming at this point now this is really, really probably orchestrated by the sea people. The death of Jesus was probably orchestrated by the sea people.

Cristina: But him coming back, was that because of the adrenochrome?

Jack: That was because.

Cristina: And then they really couldn't stop him.

Jack: They couldn't stop him.

Cristina: They probably knew they couldn't stop him, but they didn't know, like, they didn't know.

Jack: They didn't know the extent. They knew about alicorn. They didn't know about adrenochrome. He discovered adrenochrome. He discovered the technology to make the portals. Jesus is a particularly bad guy in the story. We know the Templar were going out of their way, we know the magi were going out of the way to correct consistently. Correct consistently. And they tried to convince this child of other things, but he didn't seem to give a f***.

Cristina: And they knew killing him wouldn't stop him. But then they got desperate and they did it. But it didn't matter because they couldn't stop him because he came back.

Jack: I don't know if they knew that ahead of time. I don't think they knew about adrenochrome. They knew.

Cristina: No, I don't think they knew. I think they just knew they had to stop him.

Jack: Oh yeah. I don't think they knew he would come back like.

Cristina: No, they knew they were gonna fail, I think.

Jack: How?

Cristina: Because they knew the future enough to know that he was a danger and that they really couldn't stop him. But they were trying hard. That's why they have all this backup and cover up.

Jack: No, the only things they knew about the future was, was the kid. People didn't have visions of the future. People had visions of the child.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They had visions of the child and where the child was. So they to change where the child would be so that those visions wouldn't lead them there. So they got rid of the kid because the visions were of the kid there in the Persian Gulf oasis. So they send Mary out, and they're like, we're gonna move everybody. People already around the globe had visions of us here. We're gonna send you out. You're gonna have that kid on Mount Cyprus. We're going to then go move entirely. The visions are gonna lead everybody to Cyprus. There's gonna be a way for you to get from Cyprus to Athos and from Athos to our new home. But the kid won't be with you. Nobody will ever have visions of where we are.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: It will never happen because you had the kid away, and the kid will never be where we're gonna be. So visions of the kid will never lead people to us. Thus, we protect Adam and Eve in the garden.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now, the kid with these special abilities and science, know how. Found adrenochrome, made adrenochrome, invented adrenochrome, discovered adrenochrome.

Cristina: Something.

Jack: Adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then something. Portals.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the problem persisted. They were like, okay. They didn't know about the adrenochrome part.

Cristina: No.

Jack: They knew about the portal part. And they're like, this guy's gotta go. Like, I'm sorry, Mary, but he's gotta go. They orchestrate the whole thing. The guy gets killed. Put him in a hole. Sweet. Now they're like, oh, yeah, he's crazy. Not kids talking about coming back, whatever. But then he actually comes back, and you're like, holy crap. What the f*** happened? He surpassed us. We managed to take his life the way we would one of our own and permanently be dead. And he's still around. He came back after we killed him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Problems.

Cristina: But then I guess he went to the other side. Like, why did he disappear, too?

Jack: That's interesting, because he did go somewhere else. According to everything. He went somewhere else.

Cristina: Probably did go.

Jack: He managed to find a way.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: These portals were one way. This way.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because.

Cristina: Because he came back from death, he became something else.

Jack: Oh, because he had adrenochrome, he was.

Cristina: He became whatever.

Jack: Yes. He can access the other side after death.

Cristina: That was his goal.

Jack: He made a portal, and then he got killed. The portals are a one way over here. Yes, he got killed. He shows up in the Shadow Realm because he took adrenochrome. He already made the portals. He built his way back before they killed him. Holy crap.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He built his way back before they killed him.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Took the adrenochrome, knowing it would happen because he has something. Something about him is allowing him to predict well enough.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And he gets killed, goes to the shadow realm, comes back through the portals that he himself built while he was alive.

Cristina: I think so. And maybe he's the one talking to these other people.

Jack: It could be him. Maybe it's the. The. Yeah. Because he can access. He just got to stay under the radar. But it's probably him. It's probably not Jehovah of Dark. He probably saw Jehovah of Dark and they're in cahoots. And so this entire conflict in the Middle east was actually the fault of Jesus because he was pushing farther and farther. And chances are he's trying some other way now.

Cristina: Right now.

Jack: Right now. He's always trying something.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He's always trying something. Because the goal is presumably to bring Jehovah of Dark back.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I don't know why. If you are a C person, maybe the. The anger of being cast and not being allowed with his people is like, okay, then f*** him. F*** those people. Revenge forever. But they were protecting themselves already from the s*** that now you're siding with. They were protecting that from him, which meant you're some sort of special thing that people had visions of. They had to get rid of you to protect that from him. But in doing so, now you're an angry person and you're like, I'm a side with him, then.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The ultimate goal is to bring him back, to take them down and maybe.

Cristina: To get that machine to create more.

Jack: Life, if that's what it is. Yes. To get the Garden of Eden and Adam and Eve is what Jehovah of Dark wants. And Jesus just wants whatever Jehovah of Dark wants. Cuz f*** the sea people.

Cristina: Maybe. Yeah. I think we're getting closer.

Jack: We're getting closer to something.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Anyways, that's what I got.

Cristina: Interesting. Random.

Jack: All out of the curiosity of what the h*** is going on with that war that happened in the Middle east connects to adrenochrome. Everything does, because everything does Adrenochrome. Just in this one thing. We have Jesus, which connected us to adrenochrome. We have the sea people, and in the same breath, we have the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: The Iran Iraq war featured all three things. Very sparsely separated, but we've connected dots now. That kind of makes sense.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We have a fuller picture because of this war.

Cristina: That's awesome. There's gonna be other wars that will point us to.

Jack: Yes. This is probably not even the first one. This is just the one I looked at. Yeah, I said it's just the one I looked at the end. There must be other wars we've gotten involved that make absolutely no sense. Probably in the Middle East. There's a lot of wars in the Middle East.

Cristina: I guess we gotta go inspect 911 again. Yeah.

Jack: And we're all Afghanistan.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: There's things everywhere, man. A little bit of something. The Middle east is a hot spot for some dark s***.

Cristina: Yes, interesting.

Jack: Anyways, if you guys have any add ons, any ideas, any inputs you got, comments, questions, concerns, this is quite concerning. You can contact us at all our socials usconville Pod, that's Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, whatever.

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April 01, 2023

Rambling 220: The Sea People on Olympus

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With most of the narrative of The Sea People uncovered and the truth behind Jesus Christ and the Catholic Church quickly being revealed it seems that the mystery of Atlantis and Unicorns is ultimately solved. Except the duo continue to be pestered by the feeling that The Sea People were actually hiding from something bigger and badder than they are. Today they continue trying to uncover what that might be!

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Zoroastrianism
The Sea People
Persia
Mount Olympus
Pegasus Chimera
Mass Migration

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July 09, 2022

Rambling 183: Imitating Humans

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Are any of our idea original? Are humans the only creature with death rituals? How did the three kinds meetup and carpool to the Baby Jesus Cult? The duo sit back and casually discuss the current most pressing issues in the world, imitating humans with artificial intelligence and solving some paradoxes in Christianity.

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Topics Discussed:

Original Ideas
Addiction to Phones
Anxiety About Phone Calls
Human-like Artificial Intelligence
Animals Mourning Death
Magic Baby Worship
The Three Kings
Humans Devolve Around Celebrities
Hive Mentality

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November 20, 2021

Rambling 152: Shinto Shrines

November 20, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who first interacted with the shadow realm? How did they find it? Are churches and shrines related to the shadow realm somehow? And who’s master plan resulting in may churches and shrines throughout the world in order to bring creatures from the shadow realm through? The duo finally start resolving the bigger lingering questions about the shadow realm and the belief systems propped up around the need to bring things from the shadow realm back to base reality. The secret they uncover in the process is a twist they don’t see coming. And the usual suspect seems to be behind it all. Find out who, on this episode!

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Topics Discussed

Trump 2024
Star Destroyer
Rabbit People
Trump vs Biden Battle
Vaccine Propaganda
Right vs Left
Woke Culture
Star Trek Borg
White House Battle
Shinto Explained
Kami (Spirits)
Shrines
The Shadow Realm
Vampire Jesus
12 Apostles

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October 23, 2021

Rambling: 148 Catholic Adrenochrome

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Why are most of the listeners of the show from England? Why are most people from England Catholic? Why do Catholics love drinking blood? Are priests the primary blood drinkers? IS the blood they have been drinking from the children they spend private time with? The duo takes on some of the darker truths of Catholicism and tries to get to the bottom of how most of the JCP listeners are British. What is discovered in the process is something no one could have imagined!

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Topics Discussed

Cancer
Fight Club
Vampire Jesus
Broken English
Time Travel Seamlessness
Christian Wars
Catholic Caused Genocide
Drinking Blood
Immortality
Child Blood
Gods & Adrenochrome
How to Make a God
Groundhog Powers
Subhumans

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July 10, 2021

Rambling 135: Questions About Christianity

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Why does God allow pain and suffering? Can an all knowing God not see a rebellion bubbling beneath him or his creation committing the first sin or did he intend for these things to happen? The duo answers questions about Christianity in their attempt to convert the listener!

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Questions Asked:

Is astrology a sin?
What does heaven look like?
What makes Christianity different from other religions?
Who wrote the bible?
What happens if you die without knowing about Christ?
Do people get second chances?
Why are there multiple religions?
Why does God allow death and suffering of the innocent?
Why didn’t God anticipate the rebellion?
Whats with the no sex before marriage thing?
Why are old testament and new testament God different?
Why does Christianity condemn novelty?
What does it mean to surrender to God?

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April 11, 2020

Rambling 85: The Easter Zombie

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Jesus, Easter, Easter Zombie, Holidays, Religion, Faith, God, The Just Conversation Podcast

What does Easter have to do with a rabbit? Unpacking the origins of Easter and how Jesus and a mythical rabbit relate.

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The duo plots on escaping the country to Zombie Island as the national shutdown continues to spread. While in the studio they take the opportunity to unpack upcoming Easter and how it relates to other holidays and deities.

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Topics Discussed:

Egg Delivery
Christ Criminal Organization
The Resurrection
The First Zombie
Dracula
Scientist Christ
12 Year Old Apostles
Holy Coma
Mammals
Sonic 7 Crew
Spring

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