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Rambling 298: The Grounding of Stuff Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised. Jack: Going live in 5, 4. Cristina: What does live mean? Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack. Cristina: And I'm your host, Cristina. Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And I think we've been doing that successfully lately. Cristina: Yes. Jack: So last week and the show before then, we were trying to get to what I was trying to talk about this entire time, but we got busy grounding things because that's our job. And that sidetracked us from getting to our one and only goal that this week we're definitely, without a doubt, gonna get to, which is, again, the fill people in on everything. And we've been doing this for a very long time. All we ever haven't. Cristina: Yeah. I don't understand. We've been doing what we've been supposed to be doing. Jack: Well, because grounding is our job, we can easily get sidetracked into grounding things because everything is groundable, if that makes sense. Cristina: So then we've been doing our job. Jack: Yeah, yeah, it's. It kind of loops back and forward to some degree, but I think we have some pretty good Grady greatest hits when it comes to grounding things. I think the whole Elation saga was beautiful. There's a lot, but it's infinite. And like, that gets frustrating. I think finding independent creatures that aren't related to them dope, and many things that are related to them dope. And it's funny because a lot of that, even finding the Elysians, really began about trying to see what the h*** was happening at the Bermuda Triangle. Cristina: That's where it started. Jack: Yeah. We were trying to find out what was happening in the Bermuda Triangle and then looking into clouds. Cristina: And then I thought it started with the unicorns. Jack: Well, that led us to the Alicorn that Antonio Dracohan. And that's kind of technically, that's the beginning. If this was a movie, if this was structured into a movie, the way that it built up into the Elysians. Right. Not even talking about the Elysian specifically, but a meta look at the show we were originally looking at. I think it was. Oh, no. Because then we migrated to the Groundhog. We were just looking at creatures and we were breaking apart clouds. There were some weird cloud patterns that we wanted to look into. And so we went through an entire breakdown of clouds, and then we veered off. We knew that the something weird was happening with that collection of clouds on top of the Bermuda Triangle. So that Allured us. Do you remember that? Cristina: Yes, but I don't think that had anything to do with Alicia. Jack: Not yet. Cristina: That was part of whatever story we had before. Jack: Well, no, because we were trying to find out what was happening directly under them. What was. What were they there for? Why was there a collection of clouds over the Bermuda Triangle? And I think then we looked into the groundhog, which I don't know if he ever finished his training. Cristina: Was it. Yes, he was part of training. To talk to the clouds. To the clouds? To get the clouds to talk to the sun, I think. Jack: Yes, because the sun is technically a cloud, too. Cristina: I think we were trying to stop some impending something from the cat People. Jack: Yes. Maybe an invasion or something. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Oh, no, no. We were trying to originally. Originally find out what was happening with the other stars disappearing in the great void. Cristina: Oh, yes. Jack: And we would need to talk to the sun to do it, which we. Cristina: Would use with clouds, but we thought we could use the. What is it? The. The groundhog. Because he could communicate with the weather. Jack: Yes, exactly. Oh, man. Cristina: The last one just died. So we had to train a new one. Jack: Yes. We had to give him adrenochrome. Cristina: Yes. Jack: He was Phil, right? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: It was Steve. Philly is the one who died. And then Steve was his replacement. A random groundhog we just gave a bunch of adrenochrome and started training. Cristina: Secrets of hogs is that they always were taking adrenochrome. Jack: No, it was specifically the one for. The one that they were talking to. Cristina: Yes. Yes. The groundhog 00:05:00 Cristina: that was chosen for Groundhog Day is always taking a dream. Jack: But that one died. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And so we were training one the way they were doing because we accidentally killed Phil. Cristina: I think so. Jack: I don't remember how we killed Phil, but we killed Phil. I know that much. Cristina: I believe that is right. Jack: And then maybe they don't even know we replaced Phil. They don't know. They're just humans. And then we replace Phil with Steve, and they have no idea. And then secretly we've been training Steve in order to talk to the clouds so that the clouds. Specifically weather, I guess, which was also bouncing off of when we were talking about lightning as a component, but unrelated to the clouds, because those are two different individuals interacting. Cristina: Yeah. So that's the idea. And then we're gonna communicate with the planet somehow. Jack: And then we're gonna get. Go on and on Steve. To talk to the clouds. The clouds would talk to the sun. The sun would. But still, something weird was happening down there. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And actually, Steve wasn't going to talk to the cloud specifically. There was a cloud with a face that we were gonna go talk to. Cristina: And we needed. Jack: Yes, yes. And we needed Steve for that. Cristina: Okay. Jack: So we were specifically gonna talk to that one cloud. That's a cloud. God or some crap. A demi cloud. And he was gonna talk to the sun or something. Cristina: I guess so. Yeah. Jack: Cool. But in doing so, we were like, weird that these clouds have. They're like floating over the. The Bermuda Triangle. And so we veer off and we're looking at different underwater things. I know. We were doing that for a while and we stumble upon. Actually, no, we ignore that for a while because we did Bimini Road, which we didn't. We thought about, you know, leading into the. Again, from a movie's perspective. It saw us doing these things, and then it shows us going somewhere else and discovering a different clue. But the. The. The viewer knows. The viewer knows. It's like, oh, this is related. The Bimini is by the Bahamas. A little tiny road that we looked at a long time ago that had the statues underwater. And it was like, kind of aiming towards the Bermuda Triangle. And we're like, oh, yeah, they're definitely down there because of xyz. Reason we still didn't know that the Elysians are the Atlanteans. We're just like some other people over there. And then we started looking into the Persian Gulf oasis because we were doing Atlanteans in specific. We were still calling them Atlanteans until we got to Antonio Draco. Cristina: I feel like before him, we were talking about the equator. Jack: Yes. Which was another thing related to them, wasn't it? But again, we didn't know. We're just like this giant equator surrounding the Earth. And it looks like these places built along this line were all in communication with one another or in communication with some bigger governing body. But they were all in sync with us. We still haven't found out what the point of that was. I thought we did the whole equator line. I know that a bunch of them died out. Is it because it was the line which. Cristina: Like, which Satan went to give them the tech? I guess it's easier for him to travel in a straight line. Jack: Yeah, I guess. Or maybe delivery was easier between the countries. So, like, we keep passing it down the line. We're all next to each other and he doesn't have to personally deliver it. It'll always keep rolling down the path. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Or maybe the equator is just the line in which the civilizations were Gonna be built like they were starting there. So we see them as just. Cristina: But why did they choose that? Jack: I. Why versus, like become a bubble or. Versus, like anything? Squiggly line. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Why a straight line, Right? Cristina: Yes. Jack: I have a theory on that. And I think it has more to do with Hermes. If you look at a lot of Hermes research, there were a lot of these symbols. He was essentially, if you remember, he was building comprehensive, like transmutation circles with a bunch of detailed symbolism and junk as part of meditation and energy moving and whatever he was doing. I think similar to the Hedron Collider, which is probably one of those. I think this line surrounding the Earth was the beginning of a complicated design that maybe was to envelop the Earth or a design that does in fact envelop the earth. And we have only found that specific 00:10:00 Jack: version of it interesting. Cristina: If it relates like, was he murdering them? Like, did they die off or did he kill them? Jack: No, no, no. Oh, well, that's another interesting. Cristina: Because we know the first. There was a different line and no one made it from that other line. Jack: So you think the Kearney. No. But the equator is just where everything moves along. I guess they must have done it ahead of time. Interesting. Interesting. Look at it like this. Look at it like this. Because this does have to make sense to some degree. Right. The equator gradually shifts place. The globe exists. And the equator is always by itself moving simply because of how rotations work and whatnot. So what if the line is starting to catch up? But they built society there and never told them. These guys are always working in secrecy. And the equator slowly kept migrating to that line. Slowly kept until it lined up. We know that alignments matter. We know the solaces work in Castillo in order to bridge a gate that allows people to go into the Shadow Realm and teleport along. So that's. Alignments matter. Somehow. If they built civilization, let's say north to south and started the line west to east, and it was always moving clockwise. It would eventually migrate from west to east to north to south. If in that moment something happened. Great transmutation. And all those people died. Philosopher stones. This could explain why some of these structures are some of the oldest ever seen. Cristina: Yes, they were. They weren't building on that line when it was the line. No, they were just way before the. Jack: Build on the line. That was unreal. And nothing they could track. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Or understand. Cristina: But someone did. Jack: Yes. And in order to get them to do this successfully, they did need technology. Maybe it was never about sharing the Technology. And the way we think about it, for Lucifer, maybe Jehovah man, we jump back and forth here real hard. Cristina: Bad guy. Jack: Who's the bad guy? Cristina: Okay. But Lucy was doing something sketchy. Jack: He was doing something sketchy. He was doing something really ridiculously sketchy. Because everybody was gone. Cristina: Yes. Jack: There's nobody there at all. It's all 100% gone. All that really exists is the ruins to that. And Jehovah recorded is telling him no. He is like, but come on, bro. We need this. Cristina: Yes. But we know he at least did it or tried to do whatever it was that he did twice. Jack: Because when he went to Shadow Realm. Cristina: No, because there was an old equator line that is destroyed of ruins and stuff. Jack: And the newer one, the new equator line, has nothing built on it. Cristina: It has nothing built on it. Jack: No. Oh, the new equator line is just where the line kept moving to. Cristina: Oh. Only the old one had the ruins. Jack: Only the old one had the ruined lines. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: If there is, we don't know where because nobody's thought about this. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And maybe it would be trackable. Maybe major cities line up in a way we never thought about or something. And then one day, by default, because. Cristina: It could be more than one line. Through the Earth. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Around the earth. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: We just have to find. Jack: We would just have to find to connect the dots. Cristina: Yeah. And it has nothing to do with the equator. Just. We just need to see that pattern. Jack: But you know what's even scarier at this point, this means that 12,000 years ago, we weren't beginning to develop. We know that their technology was crazy, but they weren't beginning to develop immense technology. They were already at earth scale technology. 12,000 years ago, they could just, in one shot, boom, across the earth, kill everybody and make. Well, at least along the line of the equator. Maybe they didn't want to erase humanity. Cristina: That's what I was thinking. That the whole purpose of that would be so that not all of it was gone. Jack: So maybe they don't even need these factories like Epstein's Island. What the h*** is that for? Well, then again, where it's two different purposes. Cristina: Specific people. Jack: Yes. That's to drain. That's for adrenochrome. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Versus something like stone. The stones. So maybe they've been able to make stones casually, whenever they want. Cristina: Yeah. We just need to find more lines. Jack: We just need to find more lines. On the flip side, wars are an easy way, and they're clearly in charge of the government. Cristina: Somehow 00:15:00 Cristina: that seems more of adrenochrome. Than a stone thing? Jack: We don't know. Cristina: We don't know. Jack: We don't see. In some instances, we see the bodies, but in other wars, it's just like, oh, yeah, some private attack happened. And it's like, wow, really? Or is it only when we drop, like, bombs and we can't go look at the evidence? Like, that was probably no bomb. You guys are just showing us a bunch of. And really, at the end of the day, what happened was you guys made another stone. Cristina: Would the bodies disappear? Jack: The bodies would disappear. Cristina: Okay. Jack: If it's for adrenochrome, the bodies would stay. Cristina: Mm. That's why most of them has to be for adrenochrome. Jack: Have you seen the bodies in most of them? Cristina: I think someone has. Jack: How do you confirm that person was real and not just another person? Just saying. Oh, yeah, I saw it. Cristina: Oh. Jack: I bet North Korea makes stones regularly. Cristina: Who would know? Jack: I bet there's human farms there where they breed humans. Because nobody knows where they breed humans. And then just en masse. But you dilute the genetic pool if they're always just cattle. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And you're just making the. There's something about the more complex the life force. Well, the life form than the more complex life force. Yeah. What is the rule? The more complicated the life form, the more complicated the life force. The less complicated the life form, the less complicated life source. It began a long time ago at Butterflies or some s***. Weird. Because we discovered a bunch of adrenochrome before we found out it was connected. Cristina: Mm. Jack: We found it through butterflies. Well, we've heard about it here and there, stumble upon things kind of pointing in that direction, then when they looked at it, and we found that through butterflies, that was, like, the original, like, attempt. And then other people throughout history, which I remember specifically, we looked into that were figuring it out in other ways. The countess in the 1700s or 1600, somewhere around there. It could have been the 13th. Who the h*** knows who was killing her? Her maze. That was for adrenochrome. And so we found, again, adrenochrome somewhere else, and we didn't. She might have not known, and we might have not known. But, again, a bunch of people did, though. So maybe she was in the in group who knew about adrenochrome. And although the people who wrote about it didn't get it, she knew why she was doing it. She stayed young, and they were all, oh, yeah, she was using it for her skin. And that was. Make her stay young. And it's like, no she was drinking that s***, bro. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: That's why she actually. That's why it actually worked. F***. That's exactly why it worked. She was killing them b****** and drinking it. And they were. The people reporting on it didn't really understand. They thought she was bathing in it, but she was just putting it in the tub to have a source of it. Cristina: Ew. Jack: She could continue to drink. I guess she was vampiring the f*** out. And this has a lot to do with the area she was in. They probably thought vampirism worked this way. We interpret it in the horror movie style, but vampires are relatively new. They weren't. Cristina: Vampires are based on adrenochrome. Jack: Vampires are actually just based on Dracula, and Dracula ain't even that old, so. S***. You get my point. Like, there wasn't a concept of vampires back then. Their understanding of a vampire was crap. Like the Countess. And like, Dracula could have easily been based on the Countess in a castle. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Attracting maids. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And drink. Literally drinking their blood. Cristina: It's the same story. Jack: It's the same story. And we found the Countess and we found a couple of, like, old school serial killers who were doing the same thing. We. We did that for Halloween one. So we were just looking at weird instances like that. We have a couple of really good Halloween episodes. Cristina: Well, didn't do any this year. You got anything for right now, this. Jack: Moment to do some Halloween? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: No, I don't now. We didn't do it for this year, but next year we should hit all the holidays. Find. I mean, it's interesting to go look at something that we haven't looked at for a while and with new eyes and find something we missed before. Cristina: Yes. Have we ever did a Thanksgiving thing? Jack: We've done many Thanksgiving. Cristina: Oh, yes, we have. But we haven't talked about the turkeys that we save that we pardon. I don't get that. Jack: We pardon turkeys. Cristina: Yeah. The President pardons turkeys every year. Yeah. He puts them in a hotel, keeps them fed and happy, and then he, I guess, brings them in front of people like the, like. I don't know, like the groundhog. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: And 00:20:00 Cristina: it's like, these turkeys cannot be eaten. Eaten. Jack: They must die of old age. Cristina: Yes. And I don't know how anyone keeps track of that. Jack: I bet. I bet that's the turkey the President eats. Cristina: Oh, that's awful. Jack: I bet some president was a douchebag and did that. If that's not the case, somebody was like, you know what? This is a stupid tradition. I want that turkey President. But no, no. Replace the turkey. Nobody's gonna know. I want that turkey. I want to eat a famous turkey. Cristina: The one that you said can never be eaten. That's messed up. Jack: Why? What's the difference? How would anybody even know as long as the illusion persists? Cristina: I don't know. I feel like you'll get. You will not get away with it. Jack: I. I want to get away with it. And then on my deathbed as president, I'll be like, get cameras and everything. I'll be or ex president, however that works. And I'll be like, for the world to know I ate that turkey. Cristina: That's messed up. Jack: Boom, boom. Will anybody give up? Nobody's gonna give a. They're gonna be like, he ate a turkey. Cristina: They're gonna say, you're a monster. Jack: If they. If it happened, like, the next day that it came out, they would be like, oh, my God. Yay, though. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Right now, most of them send you. Cristina: To jail to rest, to live the rest of your life to. Jack: I'm. I'm on my deathbed. Cristina: Who cares? You're gonna be in your deathbed in a jail cell. Jack: That's. I mean, I guess it wouldn't matter to me. Cristina: It wouldn't matter to you? Jack: No, no, it wouldn't matter. I'm already dying. Like, what do I got? Days. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Like, spend the rest of my days in a place that has to take care of me for a fact. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Whoa. Cristina: But you'll be in orange or whatever color those suits are, and then they. Jack: Die in a box. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: That's cool. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Concrete box. Who else did we find that was using adrenochrome? Oh, we found some Greek stories with it. That was afterwards. That was after we found out the Elysians. When do we find out they were called the Aletians? Cristina: Probably to do with Greece or Egyptians or. I think it was Egyptian. Jack: I think it was in the text that the Egyptians had discussing the Elysians, because they also referred to them as the Sea peoples. Cristina: And so did the Greek. Not the Greeks, the Mayans. Mayans. Jack: We looked at Maya a bunch of times. We looked at my. A long time ago without knowing they were connected to the Egyptians. Cristina: And we also, like, recently found out that they have portals to the shadow realm. Yes, that we think. We were thinking there. Jack: No, we knew they had portals to the shadow realm. We found out recently they were crossing people regularly. Cristina: Yes. Yes. That's happening everywhere. Jack: Yes. Cristina: And we had no clue that was happening. Jack: Yeah, we looked at that. Didn't know that there was this Entire civilization there went like two years without having any idea. Meanwhile, we found the. The villages around the world, including the one in Puerto Rico. That's a really famous one. All these groups that are just mixed shadow realm, Earth realm creatures found out. Cristina: All those people that were talking crazy stories about, like, I'm afraid that my child's gonna be kidnapped by a fairy. And then we realize, oh, crap, there's. Jack: They're onto something. They're on to. They were. It wasn't fairies, but they were kind of on the market. Cristina: Yeah, they were. They were close. Jack: They were close. They were close. There's a bunch of creatures kidnapping children. So it was based on some interesting y. Cristina: They were insane. Jack: No, man. It is a kind of weird road that took us here. Adrenochrome was a weird one. We found that so many times because. Cristina: It'S the easiest way. Jack: Everything, even by accident. I really, really. I always think about the story about the wolves in the. In the battlefield and how they would go out and like, when they were starving because the battlefield scared off all the other creatures, so they had nothing to hunt, and they were just out there feeding on the freshly dead people. But those people were in war, bro. They had just unloaded their guns, had the guns unloaded on them, seen friends die, seen bombs go off maybe in that time, or depending when. When wars happened. Because this was in the, what, the 17, 1970s, 1917s, and another one again in the 1950s. So there was bombs already. And like, this resulted in some crazy creatures, bro. Yes, that's nuts. Werewolves, which then, in hindsight, kind of informs our older story when we looked into werewolves and we found out that the natives would dress up with the. Cristina: Fur of the wolves and then turn into wolves. Jack: Not turn tools, but run 00:25:00 Jack: around the woods. Cristina: There was some stories of people wearing wolf fur and then turning into wolves. Jack: No, that's what they thought they saw. That's what the people. The. The white man. Cristina: Oh, he saw. Jack: Because they would see the. The problem is that they were with wolves. The natives in these areas would be wearing the fur of their family members who were wolves. They lived in nature with the wolves, naturally, and so they would be wearing the wolf fur and the wolf would be seen by the people who lived around there. And then they would see shortly thereafter, a native wearing wolf stuff, and they think it's the same thing. That's where the original myth of the werewolf came from. But the actual real world equivalent is a werewolf, a wolf drinking adrenochrome and then resulting. Cristina: The werewolf is a Wolf becoming a man and not a man becoming a wolf. Jack: Exactly. It's not becoming a man, but kind of getting a more bipedal look. It's very Pokemon. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You know, just transformed and now it's bipedal for whatever reason. So. Yeah. Cristina: I don't know. I feel like there are some men that claim to have turned into wolves, though. But are those just crazy people? Jack: No, because we also have people that were turning in the things. Not everybody has exactly the same reaction, but it's more or less the same reaction. We've had men turning into wolves. No, I don't think we've ever had people turning into the wolves. Cristina: There's a guy, I think for the church, he was confessing that the devil made him dress up as a wolf, turn into a wolf to fight the. No, the church forced him to turn into a werewolf so he can fight the demons or something. There's some wild story like that. Jack: We talked about it on the show. Cristina: Yeah, it was before all of this. It's way in the past of just talking about creatures not connecting to anything. Jack: That was when we were doing werewolves one and two, right? Yeah, man, I don't even remember that. Cristina: Yeah. I think he was claiming that the church would turn him and like a bunch of other homeless people into werewolves to fight demons. Jack: What the. Well, I don't remember all that. Cristina: I don't know what that is. But I know that they do have weird stuff happening. Jack: We know because the Church does weird s*** all the time. Cristina: Yes. They have portals and they also have items. Sacred items. Jack: Yes, they do, actually. Cristina: Body parts. Magical body parts of saints. Jack: Yeah. They hoard all the things with power they could find. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: But later we found out that was entirely because they were trying to erase the existence of magic and. Which is really just really complicated science. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And the body parts and things are saving are. Because think about it. They're saving a cloth that was protecting Jesus and he came back to life in or something. And it's like. Well, that was some technology that was reviving him or whatever. Or that had like proof of some residue of some kind of compound that they don't need anybody to know exists, you know? Cristina: Okay. Jack: Of the fruit or something. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: So they. They keep all of these things. They either have some kind of ability attached to some complicated technology or whatever the case might be, and they confiscate it all and hide it. Cristina: That's crazy. Still. That's pretty crazy. Jack: And still they couldn't compete with actual Jesus. Cristina: Well, they're. They're either Helping him or hiding him? Jack: Why would they need to hide him? Cristina: Because they're working with the. The. I'm thinking fairies, but that's not the word. I'm thinking. Who, Who. What is he? Jack: What is who? Cristina: Jesus. Jack: He is an Elysian Alicia. Cristina: And they're either working with Jesus or the Elysians. Jack: The church. Yeah. I think. I think we have three parties. Cristina: You think they're separate? Jack: I think they're separate. I think there's more than three parties. I think party we actually. I think. I don't think we've ever broken this down. I think party number one is the Elysians and their homies, like the Mayans and the Egyptians. Group two is Jesus and whoever's backing him, which is unclear. Cristina: Shadow people. Question mark. Jack: Question mark. Because we don't know. Because group three is a shadow people with Lucifer and all those individuals. Because even the shadow people who've joined our Earth Realm teams, we're calling those as part of Jehovah's team. Okay, so those are the Elysians. We have the Elysians there with all those people, including the shadow realm people that are there. Then we have the shadow room people who are a separate entity entity 00:30:00 Jack: made up of many Elysians and humans who've been outcasted one to the shadow realm. We got Jesus. That's three main group tied up there. Then we have Mab and her group of people somewhere doing something that's hyper unclear to us. See, we all never know. Exactly. Then we have the Greek that randomly pop up and are like always keeping up. They're like Piccolo. They're always keeping up with Goku and like how. Okay, but they're always there. And we don't know if any of this or even if the Elysians themselves are in any way connected to the original top of that, which is Jehovah's father Yahweh and his father Eloi. And how. That we still don't understand the giant leap from all of that all the way back to Yaldabao and how any of them might connect to what's happening now. Cristina: Yes. And we have no idea anything about Hermes either. Jack: Hermes, he's like neutral party. It looks like he helped everybody do whatever. Yeah, he's such a central figure. Cristina: But he might have even helped Jesus Satan with the line. Jack: He might have. But we know many instances suggest he might have helped Lucifer. Cristina: Yeah. So that's interesting. Jack: It looks like he might have helped Lucifer. It looks like he might directly be the teacher of Jesus. Yeah, it looks like he gave a johor who Worked or was friends or something with Jehovah. Cristina: And he has some connection with the Greece. Jack: And he has some connection with Greece. And he might have existed back with Eloi and Lilith, which suggests that he would have also been around at the time of Jesus, Jehovah's father, Yahweh. He would have been in contact with every single everything straight through. Cristina: Yes. Jack: I don't understand how. Because he is a God, he might actually be. Everybody else is some being that got there. He might actually. Dude, based on how we're describing him, right? Cristina: Yes. Jack: He goes everywhere, lives immortally, contacts everybody. Now, here's an interesting part about Hermes, which, based on his talks, might make sense. Let's say Hermes does come around in the year 12,000 BC, right? That's when he's born, not before then. But what do his lessons teach us? He says the fabric of reality itself is up to you to move around and control as you please. If you understand my teachings, you can just casually move in and out. Nothing matters. Nothing is of consequence. Everything is readjustable. Could it be that although he began there, he easily just shows up in the past? Is that a capability of his? Yes, because we know many necromancers can just f*** with time. Cristina: He can too. Yeah, I guess. Jack: Just poof. So he was born recently, but he could just be back there? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And that explains him showing up everywhere. He became he again. He was just a creature that became a God beyond anything all these other people could even fathom. Cristina: Mm. Except for Jesus, maybe. Jack: Well, he taught Jesus. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: It to this moment, it kind of does almost look like Hermes over Jesus. So if we were to just calculate their abilities and what they've done. Cristina: Yeah, but if Jesus gets to actually ex. Goes follows those principles that he has to teach, like what makes the difference, what makes him under. Jack: It looks like Hermes can cross into the fairy realm. It does not seem like Jesus can. As far as we know. Cristina: As far as we know. Jack: As far as we know. Cristina: Exactly. I don't know. That doesn't really. Jack: Only based on what we've found, he. He hasn't. Maybe we'll find something different to the contrary. But as of now, it looks like Hermes is the only one who's figured out how to enter this other space. With all of the efforts that everybody else has. I haven't seen a mention of Jesus doing that. Cristina: Well, maybe that story of him going into heaven. What does that mean. Jack: Going into heaven? Cristina: Yeah. And the end of his story before he comes back to Earth, like, what is that? I don't Know exactly. Jack: He dips out. Cristina: Could that be him exiting? Jack: But then that means he's always behind. He didn't just inherently have the ability like these other 00:35:00 Jack: things. He discovered that like a science. Which means that Hermes mastered it. He's a beginner at it. Hermes is still above. Cristina: Yeah, but that doesn't mean he can't get to that point. Like once you got it, you got it. Jack: He has a head start. Is he gonna. Is Hermes gonna continue getting better or is there a top? Which means if there's a top, they can catch up and land there. If not, then. Because again, if it's science, you can keep pushing it. Oh yeah, you can continue to push it. Cristina: But I think Jesus is still up there. Jack: He would be number two. I'm thinking he's number two. Cristina: Yeah. Because he did escape. I think he might have gone there. I think that was the story. Jack: And that's simply because we cannot rank things from Elfame. We have no idea. Yeah, it's possible. Those things are way more complicated in ways we couldn't comprehend. Cristina: But he might have gone into alpha and then came back. Jack: Yes. Cristina: I think that's. That's the story to say that. Yes. Jack: Right. But yeah, no, 100%. But that doesn't make him. I still think we've discovered that there is less appearance of Hermes. He's more rare to come across. So he's better at being invisible. He's been around longer, so there should be more of him. But he is good at being invisible. Cristina: But also he's using much of different names. I don't know. Jack: He always goes by Hermes. Cristina: He does. Oh yes, he does. It's Jesus that goes by different names. Jack: Jesus goes by different names and is still nowhere as elusive. Cristina: Okay. Jack: We don't know necessarily anything about what Hermes looks like. We just know he was robed. He was nice and discreet. Okay, he was robed. We have no descriptors for his face. We. We know just the things surrounding his robe. His face is usually in shadow and the robe itself was very dark. Gave look to that traditional necromancer thing, secrecy and privacy. So they adopted the look. Cristina: The necromancers. Jack: The necromancers adopt the look. That's also why we always see Jesus robed up. Everybody else might have layers to the robes, tuck ins on their ways. But Jesus wore like gown style things. It was very necromancer. And he's known for having the scarf with the hood. Cristina: That's not Mary. Are you sure? Jack: Jesus had the same thing. I guess Mary was also trying to be private. Oh, but that's logical. And the most important facet here is. I mean, Jesus would have to become a more more complicated threat eventually because he's still half Elysian. Cristina: Yeah. What is a Hermes? Jack: Human. Cristina: How do we know he's not half. How do. Jack: We don't know. We just know that you have to be human to be an echromancer. Cristina: Yes, but Jesus proves you could just be half human. Like you don't have to be full human. Jack: Jesus proves you could be half human. This brings up an interesting problem and it totally explains the Elysians not wanting Elysian men or women to breed with humans. Because nephilim that become necromancers may be problematic. Cristina: Yes. Yeah. Jack: Is the fear the necromancers, the few necromancers we know about are problematic. And then there's Hermes, who seems undefeatable by any standard we could imagine. Cristina: But then you think they'd be an enemy with him, but there don't seem to be. Even though they fear everything he is, they don't want another version of him. Jack: I mean, everybody's trying. Think about what the requirements were for the Golem. Think about what the requirements were for Jesus. You have to be able to cross all three thresholds seamlessly. What? Who's the only other individual we know who could do that? It's Hermes they're trying to imitate Hermes. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Right. And he ain't a fairy. They just know a human learned how to do the thing and that for whatever reason, Elysians can't be necromancers. Cristina: Yes, but they don't want to make more. They do and they don't. They don't want it. Jack: You want to control them. They want to be able to make a necromancer and control it. Cristina: Hence the creation of like things like Jesus. No more. Jack: Jesus was a problem. Yeah. Think of not Alexander. Was it Alexander? No, the. The sword guy. 00:40:00 Cristina: The sword guy. Jack: Who was being tricked? Arthur. King Arthur. Who was being tricked by Merlin. By Merlin. But the whole goal of that instance was a necromancer or not a necromancer. A person with the ability to cross between thresholds who could be controlled. Cristina: But he was all human. As far as I know. Jack: He was all human. Yes. And he was too easy to control. It became problematic. And we know that Merlin was an elation. Or is an elation. I don't know if that guy still around. But Hermes equals. I mean, not Hermes, Merlin. Equal elation. Cristina: He has to be half. Jack: He has to be half. Yes. You're Right, because how is he? And that's why he's whack. Cristina: Why is he whack? Jack: Because the more human you are. Cristina: So you think he's more than half human? Jack: No, he's the whack necromancer. Merlin is whack because. Because he is half and half. Cristina: But you have to be half and half. Jack: No, you have to be human. Cristina: Oh, but Jesus is half and half. And that he's not. Jack: Isn't half and half. Cristina: You think he's human. Okay, psychic abilities. Jack: Stories give us some details here to fill in for this thought, but I have some filler ideas. Right. For some blank areas. The stories emphasize how important Mary is, not just to the cause, but to Joseph. Joseph is a magi. A magi. And he is one of the other three who will later show up. He was her personal escort. They are Alician soldiers of some sort. Cristina: Okay, right. That's her man, though. Jack: No, that's the lie they're telling. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: But where you're getting at is where I think was maybe intentionally left out. The Bible tells us he's her man. Of course, the Bible is foolish and made up in order to suppress the truth. But the Bible tells us. So what motivation did the Bible have to tell us he was her man? Why wasn't he just her brother? She was gonna be a virgin and have a husband. Cristina: Yeah, that's weird. But weird. Jack: Could have. Any other narrative could have been spun there. Yeah, maybe. Maybe he was human and that's why he was different from the other Magi. Just like Mary was human. Because we know that child is part of Jehovah's DNA. But maybe the intention was to water it down and so it's not just Jehovah. What part of this do you need science for? Where was the experiment taking place in? Well, maybe both of them are the bad. Thus he's only one third Elysian. Cristina: Oh, crap. Okay, those make it more interesting. Jack: Interesting. So he has as much stake in this as the Elysians, but, you know, you're also just a human bro. We can get rid of you quite easily. So you're just gonna escort her? Well, you got bodyguards are gonna be watching, and they're gonna show up when it matters. You're gonna see them, and you just gotta take her over there. Where does he go when he gets. He just vanishes. The story just cuts off. We assume he left with the other Maggie, but he just. His story just ends. So what is that about? Well, his purpose was complete. He probably died off. Cristina: He died off. No, he died off. Jack: They get. They get to older age. Oh, but like, what's his. Why do we stop talking about him so heftily? It's because of this reason. He is really inconsequential, but is part of the equation, which is why he was actually present there the whole time. He's like, no, it's my Katu and I'm gonna follow this lady. Cristina: Okay. We just couldn't say, yeah, they were. Jack: The chosen ones to some degree, but it was just human. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You know, And I think that was a way of diluting some science was used in order to dilute elation DNA. Even if elation DNA is better for stones, they're not going to get rid of themselves. So they could easily run this tech, but no humans. But in order to make a necromancer, you need human. And they want one that they can control. But I don't know if they have Hermes, why they would need to. I don't get that part. But Hermes himself then trained Jesus. He's so neutral. 00:45:00 Cristina: He doesn't. He seems like part of the group, but he doesn't seem like part of their group. Jack: I think he literally isn't part of their group. I think he's just friends with Jehovah. And everybody must respect his neutrality because what are you gonna do about it? The fact that he's blessing you with his time is good enough. Cristina: But then he gets to train the guy that they offer, cuz that guy went to him. Jack: Again, neutrality doesn't matter who comes or what you want. I can do whatever. Cristina: Mm. Jack: I'll help you with limits. I don't hurt others or whatever. But what you do, but what I gave you is up to you. Cristina: Crazy. Jack: So everybody comes for something different. It's like, yes, he's really God about it, to the point that even Jesus goes to him on record. Yeah, well, Emmanuel. Emmanuel goes to him and it's like, bro, this dude moves like real omniscience. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Move through time, influence, whatever. Yeah. Oh, you said your grandfather needed what? Okay, I'll go back and I'll. Cristina: That's weird. Jack: Yeah, whatever, dude. Oh, no, I can't do that. I'm not gonna go get rid of the people. No, I can't do that. You need the. Oh, yeah, yeah, I can make the thing. Whatever you do with it, that's up to you. I don't give a crap. It's your choice. If it affects me, I'll bring him back. I don't care. Cristina: Real omniscience, okay. Jack: He moves like that, right? He has that feel if I don't care what happens, I don't care. I don't care what. I'm not doing it, but I don't care what happens. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And then he can adjust whatever in his favor. That's so impressive and everything. Again, if we look at the whack, watered down, non knowing necromancers, it's still like, d***, son. All of them except St. Patrick seem capable of controlling time. They're watered down. All of them. They're. They're whacker than Jesus. And Jesus can't mess with Hermes. That's where we are. They can control f****** time. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: It looks like maybe Santa, St. Nicholas is like real top tier op. Maybe third in line here because of how exaggerated he is. But it could just be time control that he looks like he's everywhere freezes, everything goes everywhere, takes him a long time. Then time moves forward again. Cristina: It's still really exaggerating. I don't know. It's pretty powerful stuff. Jack: Pretty powerful stuff. He also has deals with what seem to be actual fairies. Actual fairies? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Which is like, d***, how do you do that? Yeah. Cristina: Yeah. Maybe they're not fairies. Maybe they're shadow worm creatures. Jack: They could be shadow worm creatures, but they can. We don't know shadow creatures that fit those suits. But we know fairies that do. Cristina: It's just too weird. Jack: It's weird. Cristina: It doesn't make sense to anything. Jack: But again, maybe he's. He does appear to stay neutral as well. So maybe the fairies aren't siding with him. And maybe the fairies aren't trying to stop Hermes. Who are the fairies trying to stop? All the people trying to imitate Hermes. Fair people don't care about Hermes. Why? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: Doesn't seem to be f****** with them. Neutral. The people who are like, we want infinite power. They get elf slapped on top. Stop their progress, please. Cristina: Okay. Jack: But Hermes clearly already capable. They're like, whatever. Interesting. They're scared of power hungry people because if they cross out, they're coming for us. Cristina: Okay, Jesus, kill off Marilyn and Jesus. Jack: Jesus is a problem because Jesus is the one that slipped through. And although Jesus isn't aiming to hurt them, Jesus seems to be on a revenge path. Right. Is his goal the Elysians or could he easily deal with the Elysians? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: Because if they are is infinitely trying to get stronger. And they're infinitely trying to get stronger. So he must again try to get stronger. So they must again try to get stronger. And now it's gotten to the point that they reach the Elfame just trying to get stronger than each other. And then they're just consuming everything around them in a war between each other. And that's the fear. That's why it didn't look like anybody was after anybody specific and that the Elfame was just fight. Who are we scared of? And it's like this guy or that guy or what? No, both. Cristina: Both. Jack: But it's not about them going after you. They don't care about you. They're. They're Borg. They're infinitely power hungry the way humans are. Okay, we want more. But it's about getting rid of each other. Cristina: It could be that very. It feels very Dragon Ball Z. Jack: Like just like always. Upscale. Cristina: Stronger. Yeah. Jack: And it doesn't stop. We've gone out of the realm. Man. I remember the ah, memories. What the good old days when we just thought creatures here, creatures there. Maybe some aliens, maybe an alien or two local 00:50:00 Jack: that can't, you know, lives in space between planets. Because why would it try? How would it travel from super far? They couldn't. It's just a biological something living in space to finding out no crap could travel. And here's the science behind it. Stars away, stars across, galaxies across. Until getting to the point of like nah. There's entire clusters of stars completely captured. Because escaping the entire universe is totally possible. And there's multiple of these things. And here's some science behind it to dimensions and realms. It's like I remember the good old days back then when it was so simple. Now. Now we have interdimensional multi realm existing different creatures of different magnitudes of development tied in infinite ways with each other and in different ways. All scientific. Cristina: They're trying to get up there, up somewhere there. Jack: So complicated. So, so complicated. It's ridiculous. It is good old days of just hey, vampires and zombies. You remember comparing vampires and zombies and they both need blood. Which it totally should have filled us in on so much. Totally should have. Because we erased it slowly from zombies to say that they were after blood. But zombies were after blood at the beginning of the invention of talking about zombies. But maybe the creators of zombies thought oh this too on the nose. It's too close. So I'm just gonna connect the dots. And so we slowly phased out zombies going for blood. And then they just became science zombies. The way like oh, vile. We're trying to cure cancer. But. But it was always science. Cristina: It was always science. Jack: Adrenochrome. Oh the science in a different way. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: We they try to block us off of certain paths of science so that we don't get informed on those things like realms and crap like that. That must use biological and physically tangible science applications in order to to interact with. But the laws were taught to build upon exclude the factors that would lead us in those directions so that only those who know about them can know about them. Esoteric knowledge everywhere. You know, it's funny, that reminds me that Wet Judges was the same story as zombies. We had. We were just going through different creatures and we found out that this creature existed and that it was the. The result of something unknown. But this is what the creature behaves like. And it's not a shadow Realm. Creatures opposite to a win dingo. But they both turned out shadow room creatures. But there was some difference between them that we were like one comes from this and the other one kind of sorta. Eventually we discovered wolves. And both of these things shared a lot of characteristics. And that episode involved the connection of well, this is how a wolf biologically becomes. And this is how wolf biologically becomes that one. I believe the Wet Judge is the feral shadow realm version of a wolf. And the Windingo is the in control shadow realm version of a wolf. And both of those we found in isolation separate because we were just doing episodes about creatures. Cristina: But what do they have to do with the Shadow Realm? Jack: Adrenochrome. And they're both shadow realm creatures. Cristina: Okay. But they're based off of wolves and the wolves are from here, not from the shadow Realm. Jack: Exactly. Were wolf. Well, wolf can wolf takes adrenochrome the stages of a wolf as they would break apart. A wolf can sue. Let's take one of these 1950, 1940. Like six werewolves from the battlefield. Battlefield night people hiding. It sneaks up in the shadows and starts eating and drinking some of the blood. Because it's dies or. No, no, let me get there. It's gonna turn into. In consuming so much of it. A werewolf. Cristina: Mm. Jack: The werewolf is just the in control version of the wolf. Now two wolves came. They were talking about two separate wolves from the same pack. They came. They ate the same body. During the werewolves, both of them became werewolves. One of them was smart enough to consider coming back and the other one was a little cower. And as soon as it heard people ran away so they didn't consume the next day. This happens repeatedly. And the second wolf doesn't come back. The first werewolf stays a werewolf. The second werewolf now becomes a lichen. 00:55:00 Jack: It goes feral. It's just a Savage now. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It even forgets how to get back to it. It's just now a monster. Cristina: Okay. Jack: But they're more or less fizzled off Earth Realm. Cristina: Yes. Okay. Jack: Yes. And they all fizz. They physically look very similar, except a werewolf looks like a humanoid. It looks very similar than the werewolf is very gray, furred, wise and less crazy, I guess. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And the lichen is black fur and slimmer, while the werewolf looks bulkier. The lichen is thinned out and like up looking. It's like a really thinned out werewolf that's all black. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Now if the werewolf dies a werewolf, it becomes a wet judge. Cristina: Okay. And if the lichen dies, it becomes the other thing. Jack: And if lichen dies, it becomes a wendingo. Cristina: And those creatures are Shadow Realm creatures. Jack: And those creatures are Shadow Realm creatures. Cristina: Or they're ghost versions. Jack: Yeah, yeah. A lot of Shadow Realm creatures are ghost versions of earthrealm creatures because there's an inherent tie between them. Cristina: A little weird, because the Shadow realm is the original realm and we are. Jack: A pocket realm within it. Cristina: Yeah. But when we die, we go back to the original realm. Jack: Well, this is supported by all sciences, all religions and all philosophies that the. This association from the self unites us to the all. Another way of thinking about it is the texts that make it sound like it's a simulation. If the barriers are built around a certain type of code and you extract that code, then whatever code is left could exit the equation. Cristina: Okay, and then we just go back to the shadow realm. Jack: We can just be part of the shadow realm. So it's possible. Weird thought that everything within earthrealm is already a creature that might exist within the shadow realm, and we are just programmed with the external shell that we then think is ourselves. Cristina: What do you mean? Jack: Like my body isn't my body? Maybe I was always a gin, but because I'm born over here, the body feels like a body. But then it's weird beating our campy because creatures from the shadow realm coming over here to kidnap children and stuff, but to live. But they don't. They don't become suddenly physical unless they go through a procedure. Yes, and I don't understand what the procedure necessarily is because there's no specifics on it. Yeah, we know that they need a model, which is why they kidnap kids. They need an example of who they're going to become and that person is going to stay alive. They don't kill that person. Cristina: They don't. Jack: Well, somehow still existed when Lucifer became physical. Cristina: Yes, but did he transform also? Jack: Then Samuel got turned into Alfamer. Cristina: Is that what happened? Jack: No, he got turned to a Naga, I think, right? Cristina: Yeah, I think so. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: This story is twisted and weird. Jack: Yeah, that's a weird. Someone else been through the ringer. It's a weirdo. But this isn't a couple of places. Because if you think of Glycon from the Greek, he also was just a Greek dude who became a Naga. Cristina: That doesn't make sense. With the help of Keto. Because Nagas are fairies. So these are people becoming fairies. Jack: These are people. Well, people becoming Shadow worm creatures and Shadow Realm creatures becoming Earth Realmers are still weird. Cristina: That's weird. But it's less weird. They're becoming fairies. Jack: Well, presumably the Shadow Realm is a pocket within Alfame. The best way to think about it is if Elfame is Earth Realm, then the Shadow Realm is the Internet. And EarthRealm is like Facebook. Each one is inside the other in a smaller, more constricted way. But it's still the one thing. Like it's still Facebook exists within Earth. Cristina: A video character becoming human. Jack: Yes. So, okay, I guess the. The most logical way to make the next step remove would be to say we have humanoid robots that don't have any AI. They exist everywhere. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And the Facebook AI decides it's going to figure out how to enter one of our robots and navigate earthrealm. That would be the leap that Jesus born in earthrealm does 01:00:00 Jack: to get to Alfame. He is the Facebook AI. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Getting into one of our robots and now existing as a Earth Realm being. Cristina: What does it mean when one of us becomes a Naga? Jack: That would be the equivalent. Cristina: It's still in there. Jack: Yes. So there must be some form of code that creatures from the top have. Like MAB logging in. Cristina: Oh, NPCs. No, not NPCs. Main characters. Jack: Main characters. Yes. They acquire main character abilities. Yes, that's what it really means. Which is a good example in being Hermes. Main character abilities. Cristina: Okay, so if you can do become a Necromancer or become a Naga, you're doing the same thing. Yes, sort of. Jack: The difference is they're trying to make Nagas of existing individuals that they know are already loyal. They don't want one born. They're trying to make one out of people they know are already loyal to them. So there's some half baked kind of approach there. Cristina: And they. I don't think they have the same abilities as Nagas. Jack: No. It doesn't seem like they have the tip top. The closest person who got To. That was the first one we know about, which is the oldest, which is Yaldabaoth and his. Not his artificial Naga, which I guess everybody else is. An artificial Naga that we're talking about. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: But it looks like his was literally created from nothing. It wasn't based on anybody. Which is also why that one's overpowered. Cristina: That doesn't make sense. That does it. I don't know. Jack: Osteomorphus. That was the name of that serpent. Osteomorphous. Cristina: Came from nothing. Jack: He came from nothing. He was raw, created. So he must be more pure than doing it on a creature that was already a different creature. But they'll be loyal because they're part. They're in on it. It's their hard work, too, versus this. No, you were made exclusively for this purpose. You could turn on me and it might have. We know it had its own intentions. It might have done whatever, but that's the risk. A different variation on that is Jesus. It might go rogue. Except it went rogue and they did. Where they. How do they control it? Cristina: I don't know. But how do you do that? What? You said he just made one. Jack: Made one? What? Cristina: Made a Naga? Jack: Oh, I don't know, but it would be like, how did we invent a robot from nothing? Like, it's just. It's that he just made science. Figure it out. Cristina: Okay. I don't know. Jack: But the leap Jesus made is pretty impressive, especially if we. If we listen. If we listen, Deacon, listen. If we take the texts that make it sound like a simulation at face value and say, oh, yeah, that's definitely the true one. Jesus made it out of the simulation and into an Alfame robot. That's basically what we'd be saying. Yeah, he jumped to the middle stage. Or went through it. We know he went through it. Literally. He could enter the wider Internet. Cristina: But he's not the only one. Jack: No, he's not the only one. Because whatever quote AI unquote Hermes is can easily just walk out. And he was just Earthreal. So he is another Facebook AI. He's the original Facebook AI that managed to just get into a robot in her throne. Cristina: That's weird, but yes. But then I still don't understand, because Nagas are. Jack: I think Nagas are an attempt to do a biological cheat sheet for Hermes, because you can either study and get it. That's a. The filter is crazy. Phew. It's so hard. So few people have figured it out. Immense power. Even people who didn't figure it out. Alexander the Great There you go. Even people who didn't get it, what they did get, made them monstrously overpowered, but with limitations. The idea of a Naga bypass the limitations instantaneously. Shortcuts. It's all shortcuts. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Because the right way to do it would be learned hermetic principles. Follow the laws that Hermes lays out. Understand his lessons. He says it, it's the only way. And the proof kind of stands on it. The fact that nobody else figures it out. Cristina: Yeah, he figured it out. Jack: He did. Cristina: And nothing is like gonna figure it out after him though. Is Jesus really it? Jack: Well, we don't know. Merlin came after Jesus. Cristina: That's true. Just forget he's the most recent. Jack: Yeah, he's the most recent. He was whack, but he was the most recent. Then again he was way overpowered. Still time bending. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Even if he was defeated, it's still pretty crazy. Jack: I guess so. Well, yeah, he was tricked, but he was tricked by a fairy. He was killed off by a fairy. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Like you know. The question is, could Hermes know her? Is the problem is also Hermes has no goal. Think about how interesting this is. It doesn't look like. No, but St. Patrick's was associated. Even if he was human. Cristina: What do they mean? Jack: He was still associated with the Elysians. They called on him for help. Cristina: I don't know. Because of him and Santa makes it seem like the religion is behind is part of them or they made the Catholic Church. Right. Jack: The Catholic Church was made by the Elysians, but the Catholic Church employs humans. Cristina: Yeah, but to keep the Elysians secret. Jack: Yeah. The whole point is to keep the Elysian secret and to make Jesus just seem like he's unrelated to the Elysians. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Yeah. And it looks like, you know, they're neutral. And maybe they were priests who were like, we're gonna put. We're gonna send you on a quest. We're gonna send priests. Maybe that's the point of priests. Raising some priests regularly to a school out in Greece where they're gonna come across a series of tests and tasks at the School of L. If they pass enough of them, you're going to get into a special class and you're going to take it and you're hopefully going to pass that class. That class is all that matters. Everything you're going to do for the next 20 years of your life is pure training to try to pass one class. That's it. Good luck. And then, you know, just kept sending people, kept sending people, kept sending people and one guy, St. Patrick, makes it through and meets Hermes and takes classes with him and, and St. Nicholas makes it through and gets there. But how many hundreds of other priests went there and like tried and they could, didn't even know what they were there for other than I told I was going to do this my whole life. And I'm not going to get married, I'm not going to have children, and I'm going to go back and go, you know, I dedicated my life to them. I'm gonna go lead a church and I'm gonna be great. I'm gonna have it said and made. But I don't know what the beginning of that path was. And only few of them, and they disappear forever. Now it's the, the St. Patrick's of the world. It was like, no, I'm an OG. I got the abilities that they want. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And so those are in house necromancers. Hermes is neutral party if they can, if they. Anybody who can get my teachings can get my teachings. Cristina: So you think he was training? Jack: He was at Lesium as written by Aristotle. Cristina: In his notes, they say for how long? Jack: Unclear, but he was at Lesium, so that's fact number one. The specific lines were that he was waiting for the special students. And Aristotle's take on that is that his students were the elite students, the students that had taken all their other classes, the students that have aced everything else. And it's a school of philosophy. What the f*** does it mean to ace that? It means to understand everything there. Cristina: Which makes sense for what you need for Hermes. Jack: You got to enter equipped in every aspect of everything. And so you get to his class. Most people didn't make it. And I don't know how he would evaluate them, but he must have been looking at the notes of the other teachers there and been like, I want that student on that guy. He seems to be doing good every class specifically in these topics, which means he understands the nuance I'm looking for. Maybe all the other teachers were just cover. Cristina: For the real goal. Jack: For the real goal. Everything is designed as an intricate filter. And it's, it's a tournament. There's one winner. Of course, there's more multiple winners. But in this case, you know, to picture it better, it's tournament style. The guy who makes it to the championship past all the tests, but you still got to eliminate, eliminate, eliminate. And so you can't have a huge class of thousands of people. You got to be very restrictive. And maybe not. Maybe anybody who can make it can make it. Except people don't make it because it's really hard to get. Cristina: Mm. That's really hard. Jack: It's really abstract. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Really abstract. But it all makes perfect sense is the problem. So you gotta be able to understand really abstract thoughts in order to then bend reality with your mind the way that Hermes suggest can happen. And that we've found this proof through Naga and other necromancers and the people who cheat and manage to get a stone and aren't necromancers because that's so op. Cristina: Yeah. But he's the reason that there are stones. Jack: Yes. He invented them. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Yep. He is so good at being secretive. Hermes. He's so good at being secretive and so good at making things that we didn't know that both parts of the craft 01:10:00 Jack: were literally him. We found the first part and we're like, he made the thing like somebody else made the other part and improved on it. No, it was also him. It's just. It's hard to connect any part of things that have to do with him because everything exists in isolation. Because he's so good at just disappearing off of that side of the planet and popping up over here and doing a bunch of crap over here and stays over here for a thousand years and disappears over here. And he's over there now. No given. Doesn't seem to care about the passage of time. Doesn't seem to care about what side anybody's on. Does no barriers exist. I'm in this room. I'm in that room. Whatever. Cristina: That's what he does. Jack: Very godlike. He reminds me a Q from Star Trek. Cristina: Probably less of a troll than him, though. Jack: We have no idea. We have no, no idea. Not a clue what his personality is like. Not a clue. We know some people had character to them. Some of the Elysians were like, you know, you can imagine them. The guy who's just whoring around banging humans. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You're probably a chill dude. Bro. Cristina: Know. Jack: You know, he's just a dude. He's out there just linging, slinging his come everywhere he goes. Cristina: We don't know anything about Hermes. Jack: Who the h*** does? Cristina: I thought he's a weirdo or not weirdo. He's just secretive. Jack: He's private. Cristina: Private. Jack: We got stories from Santa. We got stories from Patrick. We got Jehovah stories. He seemed to be pretty chill, but kind of stern dude. Lucifer seems kind of more worrisome. He's these would, you know, panicky Lilith has a bit of attitude to what she does. Everybody has characteristics based on everything we found. And then Hermes is like, I don't know about you, dude. I don't know if you're, like, serious jokey. If you're like, you know, expressions. He's robed. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Every description of him, robes. Nobody sees this face. Even his homies have no idea if he's smiling or not. He's talking to a robe all the time. Cristina: That's kind of crazy. It's pretty crazy. We don't know anything weird. There could be more than one. Jack: There could totally be more than one. But also, he can bend time. What the. Cristina: Like, why do you need more than one? Jack: Why do you need more? He's everywhere. He's everywhere. He's all over the place. Everybody's Hermes at one point. It's like, no, it's the same dude. We thought it was multiple people. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And then it's like, no, it's the same guy. What? How? How, How, How? In fact, we thought it was so multiple people because Loi is the title and Hermes exists. And we're like, that's probably the title, too. And he existed back then, and they knew each other. Weird. So different people. And then we're like, nope, it turns out same guy. It's like, how the f*** does this work out? We still haven't even proven that about Loi. Cristina: I don't think he's. I mean, I think he is more than one guy. Jack: Loi feels like a title. And the way they describe the giant ship shifts in behavior. Feels like different people. Feels like a title within the family or a job position or political role or something. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Hermes is literally the guy's name. He'll go by a different name. And then tell them, I'm Hermes. They gave me this name over here. But Hermes is from actual name. Cristina: Weird. Yeah. Jack: And he'll write it. He'll be like, I'm Hermes. Cristina: He writes it, I'm Hermes. Jack: I'm Hermes. And then he made the emerald. He made this, everybody. No, Hermes. Geras Magista's made this. Don't happen. How? How do you do this in Europe? And then at the same time, he made that in Afghanistan, bro. Let's have a real conversation. Cristina: Because time travel. Jack: Because time travel. Cristina: And because there's nothing really. Jack: Instantaneous teleportation. Cristina: Exactly. Jack: And, like, it doesn't matter. Cristina: Solution to any problem is time travel. For Hermes 100. Jack: That explains ever once that's. It's like, yeah, you could bend time. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: So you're just hanging out back there, like the day you chilled with that guy's grandson millions of years later. Cristina: Mm. Jack: To you it was minutes apart. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: You just skadoodled across and it's a. It's seamless. If we were watching you from a movies perspective, you're like, all right, Jehovah, I'll let him know. You take two steps, we zoom in on you. You take two steps, none of the scenery changes. And now you're standing in front of Loi. Hey. Your grandson said this. And when we zoom out, we see Eloi, but not Jehovah. That's how seamless it would be to him. Cristina: That's pretty crazy. Jack: He didn't think about it just there. Cristina: That's totally how it could work. I don't know. Jack: And from the point of view of both of these individuals, he never left. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Because he can pop into the same fraction of a second he left that with Jehovah and walk right into that same moment and be like, your grandfather said this. And from your point of view to my. I'm right now, I'm Hermes. And right now you're Jehovah. And you tell me you need to tell my grandfather to add this, this, and that to 01:15:00 Jack: the equation starting on this next sentence. I'm Hermes. Okay. All right, Jehovah, I'm gonna go tell your grandfather right now what to do. Listen, Loi, it's very important that you add these couple of parts. Now. Loi tells him whatever it's like. Okay. I'm gonna make sure your grandson knows this. Jehovah. Listen, he said that, that one sentence, he's gonna talk to two people across time. And to him it's gonna feel consistent and linear to them. Not a moment past the moment you said links. Cristina: And then he sees a different person. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And time has stopped over there. Cuz not really. He's just in the past and he's gonna go back to that same moment. Cristina: Okay. Okay. That's crazy. That's his ability though. Jack: Does his ability though super overpowered. And he can do that at any point in time, at any place in time? That's God. Cristina: That's ridiculous. Yes. That's good. I don't think there's anything above that. Jack: I don't think there's anything above that. Minus whatever exists in Alpha that we have no reference point for. Yes, but the realms we are aware of. Even elves don't touch this. Nagas don't touch this. Cristina: As far as we can tell. Jack: Yeah. It would have to be the theory of the simulation. And it would have to be that MAB is a programmer and only then, because then she'd have the ability to like deprogram the robot, shut off the Internet, whatever. Cristina: But she can't. So it's not that. Jack: Or she should. We don't know if she can. Maybe she is just one of the programmers at the big company. The company really owns the Internet. She just knows how to work. She's the best worker, knows how to do it. Okay, but she can shut it off and ruin the project and save the world if it got that bad. Stop things from getting out and just destroy the robot that they got into. Whatever. Try not to. Expensive project maybe. Whatever that might mean in that realm. Cristina: Yeah, you know. Jack: Anyways, that's the road that took us to where we are. It's just all random pieces, man. Cristina: But it makes somewhat sense. Jack: It is composed. It makes perfect sense. It is a rational, reasonable, thought out kind of. Our job is to ground things like we said. Cristina: And we did it. Jack: Yeah, we've been doing it like you said. We've been doing it the entire time we've been grounding things. And those are all examples of how we've grounded things. And we added some groundings to thumbs things in. Just by talking about grounding things, we just grounded some more things. Yes, that's how we do now. The problem with explaining to the listeners that we do ground things and giving them examples is that it took an hour to do so. So we never got to get to the notes. 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February 24, 2024

Rambling 263: Christ's Goal

February 24, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why did Jesus want followers? What was the point of his teachings? Do we know where he went? The duo unpack the first layer of Jesus’ intentions, focusing primarily on motive, teachings and plan. A discussion that reveals much more than the duo anticipated!

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Jesus Christ
Lessons and Teachings
Possible Aliases
Intentions
Contradictions and Explanation
Beginning and Ending

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanities. Most absurd and baffling ideas.

Cristina: That's what we do here every day, all day.

Jack: Every day, all day. That's our job. That's our duty. Is that what we do? I guess. I guess we ground it so that you can process how crazy it is. What's that emoji of the Tim and Eric guy? Mind blown. Mind blown. Then it's like space. Oh, he does the mind blown thing. And then like, space and stars and, like, the universe coming into existence or whatever. That's essentially what we do here. And a lot of the time, or at least for, like, it feels like years at this point. I know it hasn't been years. It's been like, a year and some change, but it feels like a lifetime. Talking about the Elysians, the crazy size of the rabbit hole we have fallen into. But our job is to research.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So inevitably. Yeah, inevitably. Inevitably. There's. There's nothing. There's nothing we can do about this. If it's worth reporting on, then we must report on it. So as we're digging, we always come up with questions, and there's always questions that, say, lingering. And one of the main questions that we have ignored for a really long time was really associated with Jesus. We've made assumptions, left it hanging, cut it, left it where it was, walk away. And we're like, this is what's happening. But we recently realized that Jesus made a stop in China.

Cristina: Mm. Very random.

Jack: Yeah, like, very weird. Before going to Japan to build some Shinto gates, like, what the h*** is happening? So I was like, how do we track this guy? Like, what really happened? We've discussed everything else. I don't know if his point is relevant other than just like, I. I don't know. I don't know what's relevant. I don't know. It's relevant. So I'm like, whatever. Any leads? A lead, right? Like, it's better than nothing. So I'm like, okay, let's look at Jesus. But how?

Cristina: How?

Jack: Yeah, I'm wrapping my head around, like, how do we track you, dude? How do we find you? Where do I go? There's no wrapping.

Cristina: You go to China?

Jack: No, we already mess with the quantum computer. So that's where my mind went. So I go to the quantum computer and I Tell it, hey, can you tell me what is a way that I could use to track Jesus? What? And the quantum computer says back, well, you can use the application method that other people or the philosophies and other religions apply in order to like theologists and whatever, trying to decipher what came from what, which is compare and contrast when anything is identical. I'm like, what do you mean?

Cristina: Yes, what do you mean?

Jack: So the quantum computer suggests, well, characteristics that line up. Use scientific method to remove anything that doesn't matter. And once you have a pattern forming of things that are left behind. And so I'm like, okay, run that equation. And then it's like, okay, in all of these different religions and all of these different philosophies within the same region are different named individuals who seem to fit exactly the same characteristics.

Cristina: For Jesus.

Jack: For Jesus, we're talking of a virgin or holy or some terminology of purity. Woman who had the child, who is some special divine individual. And the same child around the same age dies and this different ways, but the same. Around the same time. And the same child comes back, comes back. So I'm like, okay, you hit something. Fine. Okay, let's follow this then. And we do follow this into these different individuals. And some more than one. There's several individuals, okay. And many of them, according to these narratives, existed at exactly the same time in different places, though different, not necessarily even different places. It's stories of a guy from wherever. Okay, so not necessarily. Maybe they're just. Maybe they'll adjust it and be like, oh, yeah, from over there, where we barely go. But all of these stories are surrounding Israel. They're in Egypt, they're in Northern Africa, they're in China, they're in. So these individuals, okay, have gone there. And so I thought that was fascinating. And we're gonna definitely jump through that very briefly. But what's more important is the path this man took and why, which is what we need to figure out based on whatever information we have.

Cristina: Okay, so where did he start? Well, I guess we know where he started.

Jack: We know where he started. But here's what's interesting and we'll circle back to it chronologically. But where he ended is so much more important. It brings me so much joy.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That where he ended. And also it seems he is immortal.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like, yes, he definitely had that going on. I established that once I broke the 150 year gap following his steps.

Cristina: 150 year gap, yes, after I broke.

Jack: That amount of time and he s**** on that amount of Time, not like his grandfather. Like I still don't understand even just Jehovah seems to have disappeared. And I can't. Like he's definitely not older than 20, 000 years gone. Meanwhile Granddaddy millions, which doesn't make sense. Which doesn't make sense. And his dad came and went as some background noise like Yahweh. Yeah, whatever. Okay, you did nothing in your life. You were mentioned by nobody. Just the Jews once. Like what, bruh? Come on, homie, what's going on? Put your son powerful doing things. Your granddaddy out there making moves.

Cristina: Unless that's more than one person.

Jack: Unless that's more than one person. Unless that's more than one person. Who knows? Who knows.

Cristina: But not with Jesus is for sure. One guy who's living forever.

Jack: It seems to be okay, so it has to be right because the narrative is too exactly the same. We don't have stories of loi, not many two or three instances and brief mentions, mentions here and there. But we don't have any extensive hard hitting. This is a fact. Look over there. And here's the proof. And there's the thing. Like we could see. The closest we got are these pipes that maybe or maybe not.

Cristina: Okay, that's it.

Jack: Maybe. Or maybe not. The end. Maybe he wasn't involved in that. His society for sure. Was he? I don't know. They many of them, who knows. But there's a thing called Mithra. Mithras. And Mithras is essentially fitting all the same characteristics as Jesus with the most important point being of the Virgin Mary that literally in their own language, the word her name when you translate it is the same word we would use for Mary. So it was Virgin Mary. And Mithras was an individual in Mesopotamia.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Okay, there was some other thing called Mani. And Mani was an Iranian prophet and the founder of Manichaeism, which essentially is a faith. Now the spiritual teachings of this individual similar. Him and Mithras had almost identical teachings according to what people report about these individuals.

Cristina: These are two different people.

Jack: No, I think everybody I'm telling you about is the same guy going. I think this is the. I don't know if he was going by aliases.

Cristina: Okay, but that would make it make sense.

Jack: That would make sense. But at least in their language, this is how they were referring to these individuals. And between Many and Mithras we have the following. They both had teachings like Jesus and preached messages of love and peace and spiritual enlightenment in the same area, in the same general vicinity. Now both of these Individuals emphasize the importance of living virtuous lives and seeking salvation through divine grace. Now, in the case of Christianity and in the case of Manichism, Manicheism, whatever, and the teachings of Mithras, these three individuals shared the idea that they believed in essentially the shadow realm and would consistently talk about, if you want to be released from this life, then you must stay away from bad things, and bad things are whatever trap you in the cycle of life. Now, a lot of these things are what make their way into the beliefs of Hinduism. Right.

Cristina: But what are they saying about the shadow realm?

Jack: Well, the shadow realm is where you go if you do bad things. And the bad things would be presumably doing things like adrenochrome and, I guess, things that would expose you to some of these situations that would then allow you to not permanently die and not just die, but thinking about some of these ancient texts and some of these descriptions of the shadow realm and then comparing and contrasting them with all the different variations we've seen of like, h*** and Helheim and all these other different instances that are the same. You know, the heaven, the h***, the limbo, or whatever the crap. Thinking about that, when we talk about the shadow realm and the processes that are potentially there, it makes sense that everybody was talking about the same process. All philosophies break down into what, including Christianity. The Earth is h***. Oh, right. And so that tells us a lot if you're going somewhere else, but you're staying here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're telling us that the shadow realm and earth realm were both the same thing. It's in the writing.

Cristina: They're h***.

Jack: It's the same. But h*** is more of a circumstance, isn't it? Because h***, in this case would be the visualization that everybody's talking about burning and screaming and suffering. But what does that look like if not somebody who's had adrenochrome and stopped? Okay, interesting. Right.

Cristina: Well, there's then a heaven. What is that?

Jack: The heaven would be freedom, I guess, being freed from this thing. I think heaven isn't literal. I think heaven was just the opposite to this torture they knew of.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So it's like, we don't know what it is, but it must be better than this torture. You go, yeah. And they could see the torture, and they know of it. And people coming back as twisted, contorted ghosts and things like that. Horrible monsters made of people they used to know and creatures that were once theirs and things that were once normal but just twisted and turned into whatever. And enough catastrophe or fear happens it's the Middle Ages, and you don't know know what the h*** is in the woods. And there's some monsters screaming, and it's really just a bear, but you get f****** scared because you don't know what the f*** it is and you've never heard it before. Enough fear gets generated. And now some crazy, like a werewolf that had too much adrenochrome comes through, and you got a wet judge over here, and you're like, demons and s***. That's h***. It's all h***. It's all depictions of h***. It's the descriptions we have of h***. It's just things that have always been happening and in front of our faces.

Cristina: Yeah. So wait, the shadow realm is h***, but so is Earth.

Jack: So is Earth. Because h*** is the process, if it goes wrong, that you should stay away from and you should want to die anyways, because that's what gives.

Cristina: Are they talking about people drinking blood, though?

Jack: They're talking about people doing bad things.

Cristina: Okay. But not that specifically.

Jack: I don't know. Because then the argument becomes very contradictory when you think of how many of these religions. And this is another part where both Mithras and Manny come into play. They preach a lot about this unity in dining, in drinking symbolic things and eating symbolic things, which is uncontradictory because obviously what you're talking about is eating and drinking adrenochrome.

Cristina: Are you sure? Is that the blood of Christ?

Jack: Yes. Which is adrenochrome.

Cristina: Okay, Yeah, I guess it is the same.

Jack: That's where the problem lies.

Cristina: Telling you not to do that, but.

Jack: Then telling you to do that, but it's specifically.

Cristina: I don't know, Somehow it's different, because they want to control those people. It's like, you can't have other blood. You can't have random blood. You have to have my blood.

Jack: But the question is, why? What's the difference? Elysian blood. He's doing something weird to them. He's doing something weird to them. It's Alician blood. We never thought about this. Oh, my God. We never thought about this, dude. It was very important that he con people out of specific things. So let's follow the pro. Oh, my God. Let's follow the thought here.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: The Elysians come out. They're like, f*** this kid. They run away, hide where they're gonna hide, make sure he can't get to them. They establish Christianity, the Catholic Church, then with Peter, right? And they make the Knights Templar. Jesus, on the other hand, goes out of his way to confiscate that same movement, thus creating weird division. In fact, what happened with Jesus is a lot of sort of what happened, I guess, opposite to Arthur, which is Arthur had many narratives hitting him because of the original narrative created by Merlin and then the narrative created later by the lady of the Lake, which was the confusing situation that led to him doing the thing while Jesus is confiscated the same way the lady of the Lake confiscated the narrative that already existed. So Jesus comes and confiscates the narrative built around him by the Catholic Church using his ex homie Peter, and at the rule of the Elysians, with the help of the Knight Simpler. He still manages to con a bunch of people into they have to drink his. He made the strongest movement of this. So this is like struggling, right? This is a bad. The Catholic Church.

Cristina: You think it's his blood specifically, though, that's somehow different because he's an elution, not because he's special in many other ways.

Jack: No. Something about Elysian blood is affecting the people. And he figured this out. Alicia and adrenochrome is somehow different. And we never considered the fact that.

Cristina: Do you think he just figured that out or do you think that Alicia knows about that and there.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I know that. That Jesus Christ went out of his way to tell people specifically or his followers, even if there's no message. We know directly of his mouth saying, but not to follow anyone else. Don't do this, don't do that. All of which is evil. All these rituals are evil. All blood drinking is evil. All this is evil. All that's evil. Satanic. Oh, it's Satanic.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: Meanwhile, you're telling your people to do the same thing. It just so happens to be your blood.

Cristina: But is it because it's so hard to say that it's because he's an Elysian and it's Elysian blood or it's his specifically because he's just. He's just different.

Jack: But I mean, I guess also, yes, he's very different because he's different.

Cristina: So is his blood just a little bit different than their blood or is it exactly the same? Like, how would we know? We need stories of lesions sharing their blood or something to humans or something. Like there has to have been some Aletians that were into blood stuff too. As though we always assumed that they were always above that and didn't touch blood at all because they had other things. But even Jesus had other things, but that didn't stop him from using his blood on his victims?

Jack: I don't know, man. Jesus is so complicated.

Cristina: So were they also experimenting with blood? Like, even though. Like, they probably didn't drink blood, like, they were smart enough to probably know, like, we're gonna get addicted or whatever, that doesn't stop it from them knowing people get addicted to it. Like, someone had to have tried it. There's no way. No lesion in history didn't go down that path.

Jack: No, for sure. Okay, clarify that.

Cristina: Is their blood special? I just want to know that for sure. It has to be them specifically.

Jack: I don't know if it's majestic blood. Well, you know, I don't know. But it's different than human blood. The argument would be, if you got adrenochrome from a cat, is it different than if you got adrenochrome from a person? These are things you've never thought about. I guess it would have to be.

Cristina: Okay in that way. I guess. Yeah.

Jack: And then there's something particularly unique or interesting.

Cristina: Like you can still get it from the cat, though. Yes, but it would definitely not be the same if you got it from a person.

Jack: No, it would be something completely different, especially children.

Cristina: Question mark.

Jack: But, like, yeah, age seems to make a difference. Yeah, maybe. It's so sensitive. I mean, think about it. Age makes a difference. If you eat it versus you drink it, it makes a difference. If it's distilled through somebody's body, it makes a difference. Why wouldn't the species you get it from make a difference? Age makes a difference. I'm sure gender makes a difference. We think of stories of vampires. Some vampires prefer children. Some vampires prefer women. Some vampires prefer men. Different flavors.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There's just blood alone. There's different tastes. So functionally, chemically speaking, they're also different. Men have more testosterone. Females have more estrogen. The makeup of all of this stuff, whatever it might be doing, is all different.

Cristina: So, yeah, I guess it could be his lesion blood.

Jack: It could be the Elysian blood. It's specifically the Elysian blood, and that's the case here. That's what's making it so interesting to begin with. It's something about either the fact that it's Alician blood, or he's learned how to control people who've had his very blood. Or, I don't know. I don't know. There's something related to him specifically because he talked people out of all these other things. But it's. It's also complicated because. Then why is he Going around making different groups. Because that's the other problem. In all of these instances, he's traveling around and he makes a different establishment of people. Maybe the religion isn't the point. Maybe that's just an easy way to get service. Maybe he's an excellent con man. It's like, if I get followers, they just do what I want and I could get my things done and move on. Then if I ever come back, they're just here to do whatever the f*** I want. He has pockets of people everywhere, and they'll keep sending his message and his idea, so you can come back and stroll through. The goal is freedom and movement and go wherever and do whatever.

Cristina: So all these versions of Jesus, these stories that you have, they all are about that, though. They're all about, like, get. Have my body and my blood. Yeah.

Jack: Every single one of these guys has the same idea, and they're all from the same general region as discussed by the people of that area we have between Mithras and Mani specifically. That's a lot of information on its own, because these individuals, right on top of the fact that they preach the same thing and they have that same resurrection thing going on. The point of the baptism and of cleansing an individual to then be pure, this ritual of purification and that then you can die and be consumed by God or whatever the case might be.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And that's a weird thing that in Christianity, isn't worded that way, but in the teachings of Mithras and Mani, both talk about this sort of reunification with the greater thing and explain it in a way that's similar to being devoured.

Cristina: That's exactly where my mind went. Like, he wants you to be pure so he can eat you. Because, like, who doesn't want to eat pure meat? Like, the best meat is probably the best meat. If you're unpure, that's probably crappy me. Who wants that meat? Whoa.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Interesting. He's sharing his blood and body, and he may be eating you. Okay, that's weird.

Jack: He's. And I'm about to blow your mind.

Cristina: A vampire. No, we know that, but I continue.

Jack: He is to adrenochrome what Santa Claus is to fear. He spent his time prepping people so that they would willingly say, what? Sacrifice themselves for him, thinking this is the path towards liberation, when really this is an Elysian that's been genetically engineered to be better than every Elysian and then still decided to create an infinite source of adrenochrome that even the most elite of individuals has not come up with. Because even Santa Claus comes second to this because all he has is fear. Jesus has a stronger, more widespread source of individuals under many different names willing to just be eaten by him and eat him willingly back and forward. It's a war. And he's winning by miles. Well, in the darkest manner possible. Like what you can sit. He's the devil. By the definition of what people describe.

Cristina: The devil to be, I guess, yes.

Jack: He's convinced people successfully that they can sacrifice themselves to him and his entire ideology, whatever that might look like. And it's very important in every one of these religions. These are just the most identical. There are definitely conversations of him, but this idea spread globally. He can go anywhere and assume whatever name they've invented simply by the story traveling and prove, however, that it is him under whatever name and guarantee that somebody will just lay in front gladly give them whatever because he has implanted this idea so granularly into everybody's minds.

Cristina: Insane. But he did do it.

Jack: It's a story that keeps going similar to Santa Claus. Now we're talking about the big players, okay?

Cristina: But these two stories, though, are specifically about that, about him wanting them to be clean.

Jack: For this is the clarification stories, okay? These are the stories that matter because these are the stories where all the lines cross. This is a message he tried to get across very prominently, which got across in the case of his name, Jesus, when he went by Jesus, which in Persia was Emmanuel. But we know that somehow he influenced it and Jesus happened. And somehow over there happened Mithras, and somehow over here happened Mani. Many names, many places, traveling the world, establishing. And these stories move on their own. The one that grew the most is about Jesus. But that's just one of the many names. And where Jesus didn't take, there's just more likely than not a different version of himself, which was definitely him. Either the story told or him rolling up, being there for a while and making sure they had the story anyways.

Cristina: Interesting. But did he come from the same area when he came to these other locations?

Jack: Like that's the most fascinating part.

Cristina: Yes, same place.

Jack: Nobody necessarily knows exactly, but everybody's pointing in the same direction. So everybody to the far west of Asia, I mean, everybody to the east, everybody to the east of Asia is aiming towards their west. Everybody towards Europe is aiming down towards the Middle East. Everybody in Africa is aiming north west, I mean, northeast, landing us in the same area. When these stories are shared, which is that same Persian area which included Israel and all those places.

Cristina: Do you know Anything uniquely different about these stories, or are they so similar like, there is nothing?

Jack: Well, the differences are literally the part that doesn't matter because that's probably just culturally what those individuals added to the song.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: The similarities are what we can prove. We're the same individual. And like this thing about a couple of individuals having or not couple, but everybody. But he mentioned only a couple of times of purification through baptism is such a specific idea that it becomes too obviously the same individual. Like, there's no. There's no way three different random people tried to establish the same genius plan. And it follows the path that he took to. On his way to Japan. By the way, all of this seems that the point of this primarily is the fact that most of these events seems to have taken place in a route to Japan, going through the Middle east and then through Lower China area in Asia and then entering into. So his whole journey, he essentially made pockets of people to then spread the thing out. But here's the. What's weird? Here's what's weird.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And I think. I think there's a. A possibility that some harvesting is involved in here. Right. Because the concern is you're gonna eat these people. Or at least you want the ability for them to just give you. If you ever need anything. And then you also drop by really complicated technology like this ability to detect earthquakes and then predict where you need to go or what you need to do ahead of time to protect people. I guess in the interest of having the people stay around.

Cristina: Yeah. But also have to make them love you for something. Well, or whatever. Like they worship him.

Jack: Well, no, you need them alive. Dead people can't offer themselves. But not only can dead people not offer themselves to you, if you want to just cruise through a perfect world designed for you, well, you want everybody to be as technologically advanced as possible and worship you simultaneously. You want the highest level of technology you've ever seen, like the Elysians. But you want everybody to bend to you so you don't have to know how to use it. You don't have to give a f***. You just say the word and whatever the h*** you want gets done by people who do know how to use the thing. That's ultimately the goal. People who do know how to use the thing.

Cristina: But he's giving them tech from his. No.

Jack: Well, he's also making his own things.

Cristina: Making his own things. He's not getting it from anywhere. He's not getting it from the Aletians.

Jack: No. And the thing that's Telling us maybe he did come across a couple of things, you know, but what's really giving us the most information is the Shinto gates. Because he gave this to those people with purpose. Purpose that serves him.

Cristina: Yes, that's the most important part, I think.

Jack: Yes. Gates that serve him. And the belief is twisted because it's everybody serving him so good at that. Yes, everything serves him. Everything is in his favor. That's the goal. I don't think he's trying to do anything specifically other than I'm over, you know, who he is, who. He's Homelander. Everything should exist for him because he's the greatest, best thing ever. Except he can bend everybody to do it if they don't want to. I guess his tool isn't. I'm a superhero with superpowers, but I am way more advanced and I got a mind that can twist you up. I can make you think whatever the h*** I want. I have some kind of psychic influence on people.

Cristina: What his enemies were like, did he have any. Was it even possible? Like, would he just get rid of them?

Jack: I think the Elysians were the ones who tried their best. A way to control the situation.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: But it works, and we know that it works. And there's a different instance to have.

Cristina: All these different stories because, like, what if Jesus didn't get that big?

Jack: Like any of them could develop? You just. It's always you.

Cristina: And it doesn't matter if they become big, like they don't have to become worldwide. If they're just many in those locations, that's fine enough.

Jack: Yes, you know where to go because you know where you've been. Mm, simple logic. You know where to go because you know where you've been. And that's where you could do whatever you want. And anybody's gonna do whatever you want for you.

Cristina: Well then, then the. Did the Alicians make the problem worse by spreading this religion? You think he twisted it, though?

Jack: I think he twisted it. I think the religion was designed in order. Or maybe not. Maybe not, maybe not. I have no idea. I have no idea because maybe no, it was he. Jesus did do it first. And then the attack was on Jesus. First they cast him out, then they ignored him for a long a** time. Right. That he gets born out there. They're like, he. The intent was for him to be born in Cyprus, but he doesn't. And they're like, whatever. And so like, we tried to put him somewhere safe. He didn't let him be out there. And then he. At the age 30 starts to rile up. And then they're like, him. F*** his movement. He's gonna die for all his movements. Yeah, kill him. Kill him. It's too much. He's being a problem. He's being a problem.

Cristina: They have to do with that.

Jack: Maybe. Makes sense, because then Peter gets put as the spearhead, and they create a different version of his same narrative. Catholicism.

Cristina: But that was him or them.

Jack: That's Peter. In the name of Jesus, but really as directed by the Elysians. Confiscating the narrative. But somewhere within that. Again, the original texts are very specific. The original texts are very specific. All of those are public access. But somehow. And they go out of their way to talk about not doing particular things. You know, don't worship these individuals. Onto this, onto that. Think about this clearly, you know, put your faith in this. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Which were, you know, what's the attempt to manipulate here? And this individual still manages to trick people, despite the fact that the drinking blood and the eating the flesh, which is ambrosia. And it is. What is it? Ichor. Ambrosia and adrenal chrome. No, adrenochrome is what all three of them are.

Cristina: Oh, I thought that was a type 2.

Jack: No, Adrenochrome is three things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which are ambrosia and. What is it called? Ambrosia is the food. Ichor is once you've distilled it through the body of somebody else. And finally. Crap. What was the name? It was called. And nectar is the fluid.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Nectar is the fluid. Those are the three versions of adrenochrome. And he's managed to get people still convinced that despite the efforts that the Elysians put through Peter and through the Knights Templar, he still managed to, like, beat all that ideology with his cunning or whatever the crap. He has something. But he could literally brainwash people, is the other problem.

Cristina: Yes, that's what it seems like.

Jack: Yeah. And he's created some sort of a thought bug. Interesting. Interesting. Because it's more powerful than every other. Everything that everybody's doing, even while he's not involved, it keeps moving despite external efforts of any measure.

Cristina: The idea.

Jack: Yeah. People have attacked it literally through murdering the individuals. And it'll just grow on its own again.

Cristina: Mm. But it was just this specific story of Jesus being Jesus, not any of the other versions. Only one version spiraled out of control.

Jack: I would argue that many other versions got absorbed because of similarities.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we actually have stories about that exact same thing happening. Right. Like Christianity slowly consuming other religions and adopting their ideas and beliefs.

Cristina: But they also break down to different religions in a way.

Jack: Yes, but we're talking Christianity as a whole before Christianity breaks down into its own things. Christianity as a whole already has all. Is swallowing all these other things. So, okay, he convinces them of the stories wherever he goes. So he uses his ability to brainwash, which is apparently the most overpowered ability, period, and he goes. And the trip looks like starting in the Middle east, traveling through China, heading south of Asia, crossing that area of Lower Asian countries, then entering Japan. Now we know one direction of that narrative. We've never considered what happens after that. What, does he disappear in Japan? He just gets here and poof? Well, no, because we know the gates are one way. So he still had to leave Japan. So he does leave Japan and he does who knows what for who knows how long. But interesting enough, we have a spot to start looking from where, because, and I'll explain the logic here, we have to look backwards from this date because the individual I'm going to talk to you about came to be in 1469. And the narratives this man gave were very similar with the same idea and fit everything about Jesus, Mani and Mithras. This individual's name is Guru Nanak. And this individual goes. He comes from. Follow this after an enlightening awakening journey of ideas and philosophers passed down through generations, going to the Far east in Asia and then coming back to then inform the local populace. Specifically just so happens to be that this individual was informed in this manner, shape or form of collected information. And so he was preaching the exact same things in the exact same way with the exact same idea. He talked about. He talked about the idea of a infinite punishment that seemed to be very reminiscent of h*** or of going through the things that you would go through from adrenochrome and of purifying yourself consistently, because you gotta offer yourself to God. This man who came from the Far east goes to India, and that's where this man settles, by the way, out of all of these narratives that lead to the man always coming back one way or another throughout the course of time. There is one key difference about Guru Nanak, which is his death was a final death. He gave his farewell, but he died.

Cristina: He came back and then he died for real, for real, as Guru. Is that what's happening?

Jack: As Guru Nanak, he dies for real, for real.

Cristina: But there's no.

Jack: He doesn't have resurrection.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: He doesn't need resurrection.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because keep in mind what I am saying. Where does he Go.

Cristina: I don't know. Where did he go?

Jack: I just said he went to India.

Cristina: Oh. And he died in India.

Jack: He dies in India. What is India a country?

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know what you're trying to tell me.

Jack: India is a location where we get the tools that seem to be able to kill fairies. And also where it seems that the fairies, which are just people from outside the program, it seems to be where they can most easily come through and be safest through. And it. That's just so where he happens to go. And that's where he settles out. Of all the trips he took, after all the information he got, everything he did landed him in India, of all places.

Cristina: And so his final death was escaping the Matrix.

Jack: It seems to be the case, or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah. Whoa.

Jack: I mean, it would have been more whoa if you could have realized it as I'm trying to feed it to you. But I gotta walk you all the way to.

Cristina: There's too many locations with too many things happening.

Jack: Like, we were talking about India. What else is this the only thing we know about India?

Cristina: I don't remember anything about India, though.

Jack: Not. The. The only fact about India is that that's where the fairies are from, apparently. Or not from. But that's where they come through, which is interesting. India. That's where all of Shiva and Fish, New Vishu, whatever his name was, and Brahma and all these individuals. Those are fairy names, and those are all in the Indian mythos.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Those people were directly interacting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: With the people from the other side. Those were the preferred people because something about them just made it safer. I mean, the second they weren't in that area, they got massacred and then we were made.

Cristina: So fair enough, but wouldn't they be afraid of Jesus like they were afraid of that other random person?

Jack: I don't think they knew about Jesus. If they did, like, who the h*** is stopping Jesus?

Cristina: I don't know, dude.

Jack: Who the f*** is stopping Jesus? He's Skynet. He's the real Skynet. He's the Real Skynet. 100%.

Cristina: Then when did he build those things? Those things in Japan?

Jack: The Shinto gates?

Cristina: Yeah. Like, what time period was that?

Jack: Well, everything took place within three years under the name of Jesus. Everything happened between the age it was 30 and the age it was 33.

Cristina: But the stories of the Shinto gates, when were they built? We have a year that year specifically. That's a real year.

Jack: Yes. That took place in the year 20. Somewhere between 28 and 29.

Cristina: 28 and 29.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Why comparing it to this man that's.

Jack: Saying he's Jesus or whatever, this is 1450 years later.

Cristina: That's crazy. Why doesn't he live forever? I mean, no, he not leaving forever. Because he probably left. Okay, I see. Yes, yes, yes. That's why it's weird. Okay. Which also makes sense 100%.

Jack: 100%. And then what's interesting about this is if you follow the narrative and the origin to all of these stories, the original older texts don't include that re ascension moment until later rewrites of the story. This is how I announce absorbing stories, even if they keep standing. Now, the people who believe in Guru Nanak's teachings are the people of Punjab in India. And although they still exist, it seems to be the origin location, because following the 1500s is where we start to see show up in different biblical texts and interpretations of different religions the re ascension process that happens after the Resurrection.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: When he goes back up and joins whatever. Oh, the re Ascension. He dies. And then he tells his followers, I'm gonna leave you guys, and whatever.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That part wasn't part of the story originally. If you look at the text predating the ones that were written before the 14 and 1500s, you don't actually see the ascension happen.

Cristina: Oh, what?

Jack: Yeah, only the rewrites that happen after the teachings of Guru Nanak happened that got absorbed into texts. And then you get in the Bible, the mention of him going back to God and whatever.

Cristina: Originally, he just.

Jack: Just.

Cristina: He just lives for a. Pretty much. Or in.

Jack: He dies.

Cristina: He dies.

Jack: And then he comes back.

Cristina: And he comes back and then he dips out. Ah.

Jack: He just leaves. He dips. He's like, no, I'm not dying again.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But he reascends after Guru Nanak's teachings happen, where he. The only real instance that we have up into that moment of someone dying of him dying under one of these names not coming back.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And he knew he wasn't coming back. And so this literally modified all the other texts as they were written following this instance.

Cristina: Weird. Awesome. Awesome. That makes sense. That's so weird, though. Yeah. So he's Jesus or he's the last Jesus.

Jack: He's the last variant of him before he had to leave. Now, what's interesting here is we know where he landed and we know that this is presumably the same man many years later. So we have a finishing point, and we have a couple of narratives at the beginning that allows us to at least have a beginning and End where we can start working from both sides to link the entire timeline together and find out every step he took, where and why. All I need to know is the place. Then find out who he referred to himself as.

Cristina: We have all that information. Or is that for next week?

Jack: That's to find. That's the date. Those are the questions that have come up. Oh, by looking at Guru Nanak.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: And looking at money and looking at Mithras on top of the fact that there are others. But these individuals were so exact that it was unquestionable that they were the same individual, Jesus or whatever. Because Jesus is just, again, a name for him as well, which was wrong one. It's part of the narrative. We know his actual name was Emmanuel. We know that's his actual name. The part of twisting it is Emmanuel is an Alicia name that they couldn't get rid of and it's still bouncing around. So is Mary, ironically, and Joseph, A couple of Alicia names out there that just exist today. And so Emmanuel is one of them. And they tried their best to change it to Jesus, but it doesn't matter. Fascinating. And we have places to look.

Cristina: Yeah, we.

Jack: We can connect these two dots. I'm confident of it, because we have a beginning point and we have an ending point. We know he's actually not in the system. Bare minimum. He can forever access the system and has no reason to interact. He's in God level now and has no reason to interact with us.

Cristina: No, I don't think so.

Jack: But it helps to have all this thing happening. Adrenochrome. We still have to make it. Make it some sort of code or information.

Cristina: It still makes no sense.

Jack: But anyways, that's what we got. That's where we are. That's what we have. And those are the doorways we gotta, like, walk through.

Cristina: I feel like we figured something out.

Jack: We figured a couple of things out.

Cristina: About Jesus.

Jack: About Jesus. About Jesus. Settle. Setting groups up, essentially being like Santa Claus, but for adrenaline.

Cristina: Until he decided to leave forever.

Jack: Yes. Unless he's still using those things. Anyways, if you guys have any comments, questions, concerns relative to any of this stuff, you can hit us up on all our socials at. Just convopon on Twitter, on TikTok, on Instagram, on, I guess Twitter's X now on Facebook.

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Jack: Tell everybody about the show. Word of mouth is the most exaggerated, most powerful thing that has ever existed under the sun. And it's important because we're getting to the bottom of grounding it, man. We're grounding it, right?

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July 22, 2023

Rambling 235: Norse Mythological Adrenochrome

July 22, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Does Norse Mythology mention the Shadow Realm? Did the Vikings also have adrenochrome and a method of acquiring it? What did the Luciferians and the Viking discover about mysticism that could help us understand Jesus, The Sea People, The Shadow Realm, Adrenochrome and the Garden of Eden? The duo continue to unravel the ever connecting web of lies and deception perpetrated by the Knights Templar and the governments of the world. What they discover about the Garden and Jesus changes everything we thought was true!

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Niflheim
The Viking blót sacrifices
Edda
Norse Mythology
Lucifarian Blood Sacrifice
Fetus Consumption
Heaven Realm
Earth Realm
Hell Realm
The Realm of Fog and Mist
The Shadow Realm
Three Fruits in the Garden of Eden

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And last week, we went down a pretty interesting rabbit hole that told us a lot of things about this ongoing, seemingly infinite narrative that continues to develop about, I guess, everything about the sea people, about adrenochrome. We were specifically finding out about the different parts of adrenochrome that I didn't know existed. We've been clumping adrenochrome together, thinking it was just one thing, but we found out it was three. It's the nectar, which is the liquid. It's ambrosia, which is the. The organs. And it is ichor, which exists after somebody has consumed adrenochrome.

Cristina: That's their blood or something?

Jack: Yes, that's your blood. It's basically distilled adrenochrome. You consume adrenochrome, process it through your own body, extracted. Now you have a more pure adrenochrome called ichor.

Cristina: Where did the original one come from? Not the ichor, the other one.

Jack: Nectar.

Cristina: Nectar, yes. What's that?

Jack: That's the blood.

Cristina: Okay. But that's just normal.

Jack: That's adrenalized blood.

Cristina: Adrenal. Okay. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. That's adrenalized blood and then adrenalized organs that were in the body of somebody who is high adrenaline.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Those two are while alive, and then the other is after it's been processed through somebody's body.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, consuming ichor is so pure that it can kill people. But if you want to know about that, go revisit the older episode that happened last week, because now we have something a bit different. The conversation that led us there opened a lot of thoughts, and it gave a lot of insight into things that we hadn't considered before.

Cristina: Yeah. It got us to compare Christianity to Greece mythology.

Jack: Greek mythology. Yes. And in doing so, a couple of things came to mind. One, the fact that entire human sacrifices, the firstborns, organs, blood, and the distilled version of this, which is even more impressive. More blood. Okay. We went through Greek mythology, Christianity, to land at these locations. But those aren't the only belief systems that have mentioned this in the past. And another real ancient system that I figured could give us insight was, in fact, Norse mythology.

Cristina: And you found stuff.

Jack: Obviously, you found stuff. So from last week's, episode. Three questions were asked based on what was informed, because, again, we found different ways to access the shadow realm as well, which explains the portals that Jesus had in the ichor. And all these things. All these things. Just really complicated series of things. The three questions that came to mind, what Norse mythology's connection to the shadow realm is. What Norse mythology's connection to human sacrifice and the three branches of adrenochrome are.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Jack: And unrelated to that system. After we established that Christianity has a lot of mention and Greek mythology has a lot of mention of consuming humans, oftentimes children, hence the firstborn, and sacrificing the child, and literal animal sacrifice from Cain and Abel, which might be a metaphor for a child. All these things, it made me wonder. One of the most controversial and direct versions of child sacrifice is abortion. And one of the main forms of abortion, other than the obvious, the clear, the. The. The unavoidable one where women straight up go to a place, a fetus is extracted and taken, who knows where. You're done, you exit, your job is done, you dropped off the fetus and you leave. We know that if everything else were to assume about adrenochrome is true, then that fetus is being used in something twisted, which is a whole deep dive for the future. But as we're looking into mythologies, specifically abortion brings up an interesting group of people who are well known for performing abortions, which is Luciferians.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. Instead of going through the science aspect of these Planned Parenthood places and abortion centers, which is obvious what they're doing, let's approach this from a mythological standpoint and a belief system. And then in the future, we'll go to the scientific angle of the same thing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, Luciferians call it a blood sacrifice. By the way, it is hard as h*** to find anything on Luciferians. I did not realize how complicated tracking this would be. Almost nothing.

Cristina: Super secretive.

Jack: Super secretive, I guess, because it would be too many similarities with obvious things. So it's a huge suppression effort from anybody who's okay with abortion to begin with because you don't want these two wires to get crossed and people be like, wait a minute. So this is gonna be the shortest part of this conversation. And it is also probably absolutely the darkest. So I will warn anybody listening, this is gonna get really f***** up. I usually don't give a warning, but this is about children. This is pretty f***** up. And this is recorded. These are things that people have done and that sometimes still happen today.

Cristina: Okay. So the stories that you have found. These are like people who witnessed it that were not part of the group because they were not gonna like. No one in the group is sharing these secrets.

Jack: They are totally fine with sharing these things because there's no proof of anything.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They are absolutely stories. As far as we know. There's no way to prove it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Because the. The self proclaimed Luciferians gladly will share this information because how do you prove it? So they call it a blood sacrifice and it is the purpose of it. This is first of all where I'm like, oh s***. There's a lot of similarities already. It's performed to create. And these words are very important because we're going to revisit them later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Blood sacrifices are performed to create a strong connection with gods of the other realm. Interesting. Very specific word selection. I came across gods of the other realm often time naming one of these gods Lucifer. Less relevant, just important information, I suppose, for the sake of Luciferianism.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But it's created to. They're performed to create strong connections with gods of the other realms. Of the other realm. They say realm exclusively gods of the other realm. Now, allegedly performing the ritual grants the participants abilities, youth and immortality, which we've.

Cristina: All come across with just looking up.

Jack: Adrenochrome, picking up adrenochrome, small detail that is going to give us a lot of insight that we haven't heard anywhere else though it gives ability, youth and immortality and the ability to hear the voices of the gods of the other realms in your mind.

Cristina: Oh my gosh, the Bible makes so much more sense though. Oh my gosh, the Bible makes so much sense now.

Jack: So many questions.

Cristina: Nobody was speaking to them. That's why we don't hear him anymore. Oh my gosh, that is so wrong.

Jack: But who says they do hear God? The priests? The Pope. Do you see? No.

Cristina: Oh my gosh, it's so happening.

Jack: Also, can the Pope still hear the voice of God? Oh, those under the crown are talking directly to God.

Cristina: Oh no. Oh, what?

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. And this is going to inform future information which we'll get to.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: How the ritual takes place. The blood sacrifice ritual. A pregnant woman, about six to eight months of pregnancy. The baby is extracted, oftentimes in the woods, forcefully. Kill. Extracted and killed. The body of the child is opened, starting at the chest between the ribs and lowering till right before the pelvic bone and that is torn open. The blood that builds up in the cavity is scooped up and they cover themselves with it on their skin. This reminds me of the countess who used to kill her maids. So they cover themselves on their arms, they cover their face, they cover their neck, they cover their chest, they cover their arms, their arms and their legs.

Cristina: This is way more disturbing. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: They remove the organs of. From the body and consume them raw.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They consume the organs of the fetus or infant raw, whichever one you want to call it. And they sometimes engage in an orgy as the ritual is performed. Hence the blood orgy title. That's the only way I found this through blood orgy, ironically. Okay, Ironically, the only way I found this was through South Park. I typed that in. So they must have gone down the rabbit hole too and found this s*** through there. Because I couldn't find crap until I typed in blood orgy, which I remembered from south park and linked me back. And now a whole bunch of doors of Luciferianism opened.

Cristina: That is crazy.

Jack: And the most important thing about the ritual is the mother is the only one allowed to consume the child's heart. I don't understand the significance of that. Nothing was elaborated on that. This is part of the ritual. The mother is the only one allowed to consume the child's heart.

Cristina: Maybe it's just so special to this baby. It's a treasure. It's her treasure she's giving back to herself, I guess.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: It's some weird. Whatever. That's the sermon. Okay, so they eat its.

Jack: They cover themselves in its blood and they eat all its organs. And only the mother can eat the heart. And it gives them the ability. It gives them abilities, youth, immortality, and most importantly, it gives them the capacity to hear the voice of gods from the other realm.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. What?

Jack: Dark.

Cristina: That is so dark.

Jack: That's dark. Dark.

Cristina: I don't.

Jack: That's the deep end. But necessary to go through in order to realize. Yes, the abortion ritual, which is the best way to call this for the understanding of other people, the abortion ritual is acquiring nectar and ambrosia. Interesting enough, it doesn't mention anything about them drinking the nectar. They're just covering themselves in it, which tells us ambrosia is more powerful than nectar because they're still consuming that part of it.

Cristina: Okay. And I mean, but it's still in it, like, too.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: It's filled with the matter. Yeah.

Jack: And what's most interesting about this is the ability to hear the voices of the gods from the other realm. This is interesting because we haven't stumbled upon this before, which means just having adrenochrome doesn't do this. Or just having ambrosia doesn't do this.

Cristina: No, but Jesus's story makes so much sense now.

Jack: Jesus, the narrative kind of clarifies a lot. A lot.

Cristina: It makes it what he does. Not even weird for that time because they were already doing stuff like that for God. Anyways.

Jack: Like now, to answer a question, this was first question. How does abortion relate? Answered how abortion relates to adrenochrome.

Cristina: Life changing. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Now, going back one question to what the connection between human sacrifice and the Norse is. The Norse are basically Vikings. We say Norse mythology in order to allow people to. Because we can't say Vikings and then have to make the connection every time the Norse allows people to just instantaneously understand the people who believe in Norse mythology.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But to elaborate, the people who believe in Norse mythology are the Viking.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Those were the people who believe in the north in the Norse mythology. Now, before we dive into what Norse mythology is exactly, and how this has informed our. Our information and everything we've been connecting and the fact that it is obviously one big picture broken up into fragments.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Vikings do in fact have a connection to adrenochrome. They have what is called the blot sacrifice. Oh, and in the blot sacrifices, they sacrifice to the gods in order to acquire things in return.

Cristina: What are they sacrificing?

Jack: Humans and animals.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And oftentimes these humans and animals are hung. But let's follow this next important detail. They are hung in ritual locations with, and I quote, strong connections to the gods and the other realm, of course.

Cristina: Okay. The other realms. Okay.

Jack: Which is exactly what happens in the blood sacrifice. The point is to get a stronger connection to the gods.

Cristina: Oh, that's why they're doing in the woods.

Jack: Yes, exactly. Where are the Vikings hanging their sacrifices? From trees in the woods, in areas with strong connections.

Cristina: They wouldn't happen to have mountain, a mountainy area, would they?

Jack: Well, we will answer that eventually.

Cristina: Okay. Just for some reason popped up Moses on his mountain. Like, why didn't we think of that too? Like, mountains have become much more important to the story.

Jack: Much more significant, the fact that Moses went up to a mountain and came down with not only information that transcends the capacity of humans, but saying he directly spoke. Spoke to God and his face was glowing.

Cristina: Actually.

Jack: Was his face going? I think his face is going. No, it was the other guy who saw his shoulder or some crap. Right. Something like whatever. He came down. Super awesome. Yes, because he went up a mountain and spoke to God. God's on top of mountain.

Cristina: And we have heard that he's on top of mountain.

Jack: Like we have heard that. Yeah. Okay, now about the blot sacrifices. The blood from the sacrifices are collected in bowls and twigs used to splatter the blood on the altar, on the walls and on cult participants. They're not drinking it, they're putting it on themselves. The same way of the. As the blood sacrifice.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the blood sacrifice is the English translation almost of the blot sacrifice.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The Vikings were performing a abortion sacrifice, but not necessarily with a fetus or an infant, just with people. And the hanging, I'm presuming, creates the most amount of fear because, you know.

Cristina: But they're not eating this.

Jack: Well, interesting enough, the next part of this is the fact that they do extract the organs from the bodies.

Cristina: Is it just animal bodies or you're.

Jack: Saying it's humans and animals alike? Oh, humans and animals are hung in the woods. Their blood is collected in bowls, splattered the blood on the altar's walls and on the cult participants. And the meat is collected, eaten by all in attendance. Identical. Identical with the intention of what? To get. To get something to connect to the gods and get something in return from them, which they believed were the abilities they were acquiring, which they believe was the youth they were acquiring. Which they believe was the immortality they were acquiring. But doing the sacrifice was the only way to what, engage with the God in the first place?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh, communication with God.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: So this there have been important, important, important. We've established something like this long ago. If there's enough concentrated fear within a region, a being from the shadow realm can cross over. The less there is, the harder it is, the more ghost like you are. But the more there is, the more solidified you become. Until you can completely cross over without the need for a gate. Okay, what's happening here is exactly that. They're either creating a mental connection, so it's the faintest when it's just a infant was killed and you guys consume and drown and put it on your bodies. You cover yourself in the baby's blood, you eat the baby's organs, and you start hearing all the effects that we know of. Adrenochrome happen. And then you start hearing the voice in your head. This is bare minimum. Nobody's scared here. Baby's dead. Nobody's scared here. You guys are looking happily to get here. And still the lowest frequency of what you've done in a high concentration area. You can still hear it, but a lot of Fear a lot of collection a lot of something. And you can directly interact with the God, which is what the Vikings have. You hang the people from the trees. A lot of fear in an area. The area is already suspected to have high concentration, many bodies hanging from trees. You concentrated it, and now you have more access to these beings. The rules apply cleanly as we established them before.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There is a degree. It's by degree. It's a slighter. The more. The more clear your connection is.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: Now let us dive into what Norse mythology actually is, because this is going to inform a whole other s*** store of things. First, Norse mythology predates Christianity by about 2000 years. It is called the EDDA. That is in its language, the EDDA focuses on a giant tree that connects all of the nine realms. It's an immense central tree. And above, there are places. Below there are places, and around, there are places. And we consider these the realms.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now let's go through these realms. There is a realm called Muspelheim. This is the Land of Fire. Sounds very similar to Hel. It's just lakes of fire and rivers of fire. And a lot of fire.

Cristina: A lot of fire. Are there creatures of fire? I guess.

Jack: Things of fire. All of these places got creatures that are native to them.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Asgard, the realm of the gods, AKA heaven. Right. Okay.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Located dead center of the tree. Directly above it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Floating above it.

Cristina: Where's the fireplace located?

Jack: Below the tree.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes. It's. You got to go downwards from the tree to get there directly. Center of the tree, below it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, within Asgard, there is a place called Valhalla. And Valhalla is where people go when they die. And they are honorable. Literal gates of heaven.

Cristina: Yes. For the best lords or whatever.

Jack: Then we have Midgard. Midgard is where the base of the tree is.

Cristina: Is that Earth?

Jack: This is Earth. This is what we would call the Earth Realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Now.

Jack: Jotunheim, Home of the gods.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Of the giants. My bad. Home of the giants. Dominated by mountains, rivers and forests.

Cristina: Mountains, is it. Where is it on this tree?

Jack: Weirdly enough. This falls next to Midgard.

Cristina: Okay. Seems very reachable.

Jack: Very reachable. Vanaheim. Home of the Vanir. The Vanir are ancient. An ancient branch of gods. They're the gods that predate the Asgardian gods.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The location of this is actually unknown. What? But it is only accessible through Asgard.

Cristina: Okay. So it's up in Heaven.

Jack: It's up in heaven.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's another level of Heaven or somewhere around Heaven. That's a weird one, isn't it?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then there is Alfelheim, home of the Light Elves. Important what I'm about to say. This is located next to Asgard. This is the third place in heaven.

Cristina: Okay. The elves live there.

Jack: Light Elves are the gods of nature.

Cristina: Okay, that makes sense. Okay.

Jack: Now this one's complicated. Svartalfheim. Svardofeim. Okay, so this one is the home of the dwarves, located underneath the crust of the earth.

Cristina: That's its own realm.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Helheim, home of the dishonorable dead.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This is where the punishment happens.

Cristina: That's also in the bottom, somewhere below.

Jack: Now, let's put this into a perspective. I only mentioned eight for a very specific reason. We'll get to the ninth one in a moment.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If we're going to put this in an image that we can understand clearly, we would say the Christian heaven contains Asgard, Vanaheim and Alfelheim. Thus the realm of the gods, realm of the old Gods, and realm of.

Cristina: The elves, which are still gods.

Jack: All in heaven? Yes. These are all kinds of gods.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Different realms at this point is losing its meaning and becoming more of continents, countries, something along those lines. We got to think of them as. Okay, within Asgard, there are two other important locations. So Alheim is where the brave go when they die during battle. That's the other side of Heaven. Of Heaven. Of the. Of Valhalla.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's. It's interesting because all four Alfelheimer is what I'm talking about, because Alfelheim is where the Light Elves go. And then Folkvanger, which is where the other half of the brave go. They don't go together. They get split into two groups, both for the honorable. Okay, so there's just many locations in Heaven.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Different areas in Heaven.

Cristina: Sure. Where the gods, angels, and, I guess the humans that deserve to go up there.

Jack: The easiest way to think about the elves is that they're angels. Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's the easiest way to think of the. The elves. It's two different eras of gods and angels. But there's something important about laying it out like this that matters a lot because it tells. It informs our view of Earth even more. The fact that we come across Zeus and Jehovah coexisting. But we look at this layout, and even within Heaven, they've got their own.

Cristina: Territories, which we feel like on Earth, they all have their own territories.

Jack: Most importantly, we're talking just elevation. Like I said, the way we're describing Realms. When we're talking Norse mythology, it doesn't seem like you cross some magical threshold or become a different physical type of thing. It looks like they're just physical spaces that coexist.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And when we're talking about Asgard and Vanaheim and Apelheim, we're just talking about high altitude. Yeah, the highest of altitude. Which reminds us of things like Olympus.

Cristina: Which is right there.

Jack: Station on top of a mountain.

Cristina: Yeah, the highest mountains.

Jack: The highest of mountains.

Cristina: In this case, the highest of trees.

Jack: Well, they're not placed on top of the tree.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Just know they're over the tree.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It says floating, but they're just over the tree. We know they're over the tree. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Weird that they're just physical spaces.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: No transcending anything. You just. If you had a plane back then, you could just reach them. Weird. Now, what we're gonna call the Christian Earthrealm contains Midgard, home of the humans. Jotunheim, home of the giants.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Svaltalheim, home of the dwarves.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Dwarves are just below the crust. That's still physically Earth.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Specifically says that they. You can reach them through caves.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's not a complicated. Like, nothing is happening here. That's crazy. No, they're just underneath the ground. The end. Not even far underneath the ground. You just. You can get there through a cave.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we got giants. They hang around the mountains and in the woods. We got the humans hanging in the plains and in the forests, along with some giants who also hang out in the forest. And then we have the dwarves that hang out underground and inside caves and whatnot.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Very Earth like atmosphere.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Important that the giants are often closer to mountains because mountains in Greek mythology are where the gods are hanging out. And the giants climb the mountains to attack the gods.

Cristina: Yes. And they're supposedly giants in the Bible.

Jack: But the giants in the Bibles aren't hanging out in mountains. Neither is God. Well, except when he was talking about Moses.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh, s***. So in every case, we have gods on top of mountains. Always.

Cristina: And we have giants and we have.

Jack: Giants, but we don't have giants at mountains in Christianity. We do have giants and mountains in Norse mythology. We do have giants and mountains in Greek mythology, but we don't have it in Christianity. Just patterns, weird consistencies. And the fact that again, we have all of Earth realm seem like a physical space.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The traversable physical space. You could walk to all these locations.

Cristina: Although they only took the dead to those locations.

Jack: None of These I have mentioned, are where the dead are.

Cristina: The ones in the.

Jack: Oh, the ones in heaven. Yeah, the heaven equivalent.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which is weird, right? This very Dragon Ball Z esque scenario where you could just like, well, I'm gonna go see dad after he died, and you'd literally just go shake hands with him and King Kai's planet or some crap. That's a weird one. Like, no, he's just over there. That comes down sometimes. He chills with us.

Cristina: Dragon Ball seems closer to his truth.

Jack: Yeah, it seems the case might be. Now, the Christian h*** still in Norse mythology, is divided into two parts, which is Muspelheim, the land of fire, and Helheim, home of the dishonorable dead.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: These don't seem traversable anymore. Unless we're talking really, really, really, really deep into the Earth, which also seems to be, how the narrative goes. A physically reachable place. It's a m*********** to get to. The hardest to get to of all these locations, you're closer to get to Asgard than you are to h***.

Cristina: But it's right under us.

Jack: It's right under us. You can get there. Yeah, you can get there. And just as we have giants before mountains, before heaven, we have dwarves before the crust, before h***. There's always something, some creature buffer between these two locations. It's very important that we keep in mind buffer creatures.

Cristina: Buffer creatures.

Jack: Buffer creatures. Very, very interesting that we have a lot of that. Now, the last realm that I've not mentioned is called Heffelheim. And Heffelheim is described as the land of mist and fog, a hazy, unclear, unsure place that is somehow connected to the tree that connects everything else. But just like the one location in Asgard is unclear where this is really at.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's not a place of punishment or a place of reward. It's more like Earth, but a warped version of it that's unclear and foggy and jumbled in a way which sounds almost identical to the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: What? I think it's the shadow realm.

Jack: Interesting enough. Christianity also has its version of this. It's Limbo.

Cristina: Oh, that's.

Jack: It's a. Not punishment, not reward kind of Earth, like wasteland, other thing.

Cristina: Yeah, the shadow realm. What's that place called? The misty place.

Jack: Niflheim considered the Mist World.

Cristina: The mist world. Is there anything in the mist world, did they say?

Jack: It's not specific. There are, like, creatures. There's a lot of fog, there's some river. That's actually where the tree gets its water from.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Gets his Water from the mist world.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Think about this. The tree connects every other realm and gets its life source from what's essentially the shadow realm. What are we learning from this?

Cristina: I don't. I feel like we're learning something. I haven't learned something.

Jack: I don't know what it is.

Cristina: I don't know what it is. But it feels important.

Jack: It does feel important. Right? There's some greater significance to our entire. Everything. All versions of it. Heaven, h***, Earth. All relying on the existence of the shadow realm somehow.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Our power source is the shadow realm. And we know there's a natural flow from that way this way. But we have to unnaturally access that location. It is a one way street. Normally speaking.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Life comes from. But life doesn't go to. We have to cheat our way over there.

Cristina: Which I guess is a good example of the tree taking life from it and not giving anything to it.

Jack: Exactly. We cheat our way. We come up with adrenochromes and we come up with Jesus gates and. But ultimately it should be a one way street. We're just breaking that rule.

Cristina: Yes, but why is it a one way street?

Jack: Why is it a one way street? And why is everything dependent on that? Why is it in Norse mythology is claiming it is the source of the tree's life. And the tree sustains life of everything else. All the other realms rely on the tree. This is the most important detail. All the other realms rely on the tree. And the source of the life for the tree is its most insignificant of places.

Cristina: So how is it related to us?

Jack: I have no idea. I have no clue how that came to be.

Cristina: Interesting. We'll figure something out. I know we will. But it's. It's interesting.

Jack: Now in Norse mythology there is a very important detail. Usually if you are not a person with the capacity and natural ability to cross from realm to realm, you use the tree to get there. Usually gods can easily move from one to the other traverse. Presumably because going to heaven means you gotta fly or some PS like that. Going to h***, you gotta cross. Crazy. Maybe only the dwarves know the way. Or the people who from h*** know the way. And so you need special information or special abilities to access things. But the tree has all the answers. If you wanted to get there and weren't one of the knowing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Although there's no understanding of how to get the Niflheim. You can access it through the tree.

Cristina: What?

Jack: You can go to the tree and one of its roots will lead you straight there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Also, there are three routes total. And they spread out in different directions.

Cristina: And they all take you somewhere.

Jack: One of which. The other two are completely insignificant. They don't go any more important because what they do is completely different.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The tree will give you the information you require. That is why you go to the tree to learn how to access some of these places.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The tree as being connected to Asgard and being connected to Midgard and being connected to Helheim and all the other places can also provide somebody who completes the trees trials with the abilities that are provided to the inhabitants of these locations.

Cristina: What? There's a trials? What?

Jack: Yeah, the tree can give you trial. It's a tree of everything, can give you trials that will give you God abilities or abilities of those in h*** or creature abilities. Yeah, you go through these trials to accomplish these things. A tree can provide trials. A tree doesn't talk to you or anything. It'll just. Trials will become apparent. I'm not sure how. Yeah, I guess you stand in front of and hallucinate or something. There's a whole other conversation about what this tree is supposed to f****** be.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: But the most important part of this tree is it. There is a route that guides you where there's no other way to access. That is an incredibly important sentence. The two ideas are, there are three routes to this tree. One will give you the knowledge you need, one will give you the ability you need, and one will allow you to traverse a distance you need. This is important because the Garden of Eden claims to have two trees. One with knowledge and one with life. Immortality, the power and the knowledge. But you dig deep enough into Christianity and you come across the Tree of Cavalry, which isn't a literal tree. It is the piece of wood that Jesus Christ was nailed to. It is the cross. They call that the Tree of Cavalry because it is wooden.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If you avoid Christianity and you go to the original texts that were translated into Christianity and translate them yourself. That very Tree of Calvary was cut from a hunk of wood that came from the Garden of Eden.

Cristina: How?

Jack: Because it was part of Jesus's plan. He brought the wood.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Oh. And he got crucified on the wood. Although nobody knew where it came from.

Cristina: It was part of his plan.

Jack: There was a ritual that took place. Oh, my gosh. There's a ritual that took place with somebody dying. Jesus Christ.

Cristina: Knew how to come back.

Jack: It'll allow him to traverse an impossible distance into another realm.

Cristina: How do you get that wood? Who let him in?

Jack: Somebody let him slip in. Or somebody brought it out.

Cristina: His Mom.

Jack: His mom wasn't allowed back in until she had. Until he was dead.

Cristina: But maybe she had it with her.

Jack: They wouldn't have kicked her out with it. They were supervising that lady at every corner. But there is a question there. There is a literal question there.

Cristina: Where did he get it?

Jack: Where did he get the Tree of Cavalry? Which, by the way, weirdly enough, if you translate it backwards. Not translate backwards. You find the original text and translate it without the edited versions and the warped text that they come up with.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: They call it the Tree of Soul. That's the literal, exact translation. I don't know why the Tree of Cavalry is how it ended up, but.

Cristina: So you got the knowledge.

Jack: If knowledge, you have life and you have soul. The Tree of Soul. Spirit. I don't know what the relevance of the word soul is, but if we call it that, maybe we'll think of it differently. It's a tree of soul. Jesus Christ acquired a piece from a tree that would allow the consumer of the fruit of that tree. And by the way, this took a lot of digging to find out. The consumer of the fruit of that tree. Yes. It also had a fruit like the other two trees.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: To, like a fairy at will be able to cross through realms. What, like a fairy?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: As we know, the fairies are the only beings that are neither from here nor there that can easily hop in and out of Earth realm and the shadow realm, like nothing. Which also suggests the third realm, which would fall in line with Christian beliefs in the first place. No, I don't know where the they're from. I just know they can enter the shadow realm and Earth realm easily. We haven't really established where they're from. We just know that the fairies can kind of hop in and out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're the only things we know that don't require any kind of anything else. Yeah, and that's how they actually made the deal with, presumably, Santa Claus, who has the tightest grip on all this s*** to begin with. Again, you guys can find that in another episode, of which there are many.

Cristina: Okay, so he somehow managed to get a piece of this tree and the fruit of this tree?

Jack: No, he managed to get a piece of the tree because I believe he couldn't. I think acquiring the fruit was harder. Maybe it would have been too obvious. So they removed the piece of the wood, and then getting crucified on the wood allowed him to now have something relative. Maybe it wasn't even about him crossing. Maybe he required this as part of the ritual that would allow him to hear a voice in his head.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: From the other side.

Cristina: So I don't think this thing was already talking to him.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Or maybe he did perform some other ritual. He did have that thing about the flush, you know?

Cristina: Yeah, I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. There's a. It brings up a lot of questions.

Cristina: Yeah, he's doing a lot of things.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Where did he get this lid? How? It's from the Garden of Eden. And you don't think Mary was a.

Jack: P. Oh, I'm actually f****** up a little. Eating the fruit actually requires the consumer to die before they get the abilities out of the way. Eating the fruit of spirit requires you to die to acquire.

Cristina: Whoa. What? Wait. What does the fruit do again?

Jack: The fruit allows you to traverse from one realm to the other. Okay, so he did get the ability. That's actually what did happen in dying on the cross. He acquired the ability. But again, you do still need to be brought back to life.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The fruit of life doesn't bring you back to life. It gives you mortality. And yes, I still believe that Adam and Eve are a technology different. Different episode for what I stumbled upon related to that.

Cristina: Okay, okay, okay.

Jack: But yes, quite definitely their technology. And I think all of this is technology. I think the fruits are a version of technology.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: I think this is the sea people breaking the rules to do different things without having to use fun. Fact or not? Fact, but theory. Enter unicorns. We have three different fruits. I think this is why unicorns are f****** relevant. Yes, there is engineered something. Genetically engineered something. But people were getting horns that were giving abilities. So maybe that theory is bullshit, that this was a genetically engineered creature. I think the Pegasus was definitely genetically engineered, but I don't think the unicorn was because people had. Antonio Draco, bro. He gave this to people who couldn't walk. And they could suddenly walk. If the people couldn't see, they could suddenly see. There was something about this unicorn, the alicorn. Something about alicorn that the sea people were fully aware of. And the sea people also happen to have the Garden of Eden, which contains four different technologies. A technology for immortality without adrenochrome.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: A technology for some unearthly knowledge. A technology to traverse the realms. Like dying after you've had a dream of chrome. Almost identical. When you consider the fruit of spirit, you have to.

Cristina: They knew about this other place. Somehow they're connected to.

Jack: Well, they already knew about my cough. That they got the f*** away from. And that was a direct link to the shadow realm.

Cristina: They did something wrong, they did something.

Jack: Bad and they act. And whatever the technology code Adam and Eve is.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I think they used unicorn alicorns in order to make these technologies. That's where that piece fits. It's something with incredible abilities. That isn't science. They use it and added it to science to make things happen.

Cristina: I don't think it's a creature from here either.

Jack: I think it's a f****** fairy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I think a unicorn is a fairy. I think it's a horse fairy.

Cristina: It's a horse fairy. It's a fairy. It's a fairy. It's for sure a fairy.

Jack: For sure fairy. They. There's an animalistic non hyper intelligent fairy like other creatures. It's just wherever the fairies come from, there are animals.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That aren't like crazy intelligent like normal people or normal fairies. It's just an animal because we know the shadow realm also has it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The shadow realm has intelligent beings and it has their animal equivalent.

Cristina: Yeah, I think. Yeah, you're right. I think the fairy. Those are fairies.

Jack: Those are fairies. Unicorns are fairies. I am for sure. A Pegasus is something genetically engineered. It's just things that exist over here that they put together and look cool. Look at my cool car. Or whatever. But unicorns are fairies.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they know how to use unicorn blood and unicorn alicorns to make these technologies that they are trying to hide from whatever either they're. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Because now we're hitting the wall again. I'll find something else in the future. But this is. It's making a lot of sense so far because this began originally with unicorns and then we left it behind because. Didn't seem to connect anywhere.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It didn't seem to go anywhere. These special abilities, these things. But everything that. The one thing we've known is whatever you could do with adrenochrome, you could do with alicorn. Of course the idea was this.

Cristina: I think they. The power that they have. Adam and Eve is what the gods want. I really think that's what they want because that's the thing of life. Like in the Norse mythology, they made people a lot like God made people. But like it feels very technology. Like it wasn't natural birth or anything. They, they made. They made people. They want this technology because they don't have it.

Jack: So you think Adam and Eve Is in fact population technology.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The ability to create.

Cristina: Gods aren't really gods. They're just someone who found the tech to make life. And there's people that want that. These higher beings, they're fighting over this.

Jack: The people who have it are the sea people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The argument here is that the sea people are equal in caliber to the rest of these gods.

Cristina: Yeah, they are.

Jack: And we. The weirdest part is we can home then the idea is whole other perspective. And we've talked about this before, I guess. Yes. Yeah, we talked about this a long time ago about just Jehovah. That Jehovah came from a group of people and they just got more progressively powerful over time. They were made by something, but possibly technology too, that with enough time, the goal was to get one of these things to cross over to the next stage where they themselves could make life.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And every civilization has its own version of that. That's what the Greek gods are. They were something that managed to get to this God like power, but they were just mortals like we were. And Jehovah and whatever people he's from also, again, they were just some form of mortal that elevated to that point. And the Norse gods, again, just some form of mortal that elevated to that point. And we're witnessing with the sea people another form of mortal that elevated to that. And maybe might not be exactly that. The road is the same. But they're as close from our.

Cristina: Yes, I think they're stopping the whole. The God part, the end part of it happening though. Because all of these stories, they end with the God finally getting the thing and then restarting and everything happens again and then the new God and then whatever. Yeah, because Jesus would have been that God. But they're stopping him.

Jack: But they're stopping him. Then what's the point of stopping it?

Cristina: Because it ends. All of this. It.

Jack: The reset. The reset God Jesus would have been the one. Yes, that Jehovah. Jehovah's winning. That's the argument here. Jehovah was winning. We would know because it's also the most dominant religion. Even Islam contains Christianity within it.

Cristina: It's not. He's not winning because he didn't get to restart because we're still here.

Jack: He was winning. He was, he was winning. And Jesus was the way. He was the one who had the guy who was actually gonna do it. I did it. I beat all of you. I got him. I got the guy who's gonna reset the system. That makes me God and that makes him the God who takes my place. But the sea people didn't allow it.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So, but we know Jehovah of Dark isn't the same as Jehovah of Light. We just don't know what the h*** to call Jehovah of Dark. Jehovah of Light is just another sea person and he's part of who's stopping this. So Jehovah of Dark found the right being because again, what were the visions, what were the visions that forced them to get rid of Mary in the first. The first place? That's another weird thing. This guy somehow started to communicate with this kid and other people and oh yeah, find the kid. Find the kid for me, people. Chances are the people who are having the visions of Jesus in the first place were people who went through the ritual and started hearing the voice in their head.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, those people. Yeah.

Jack: But then why were they having visions of Jesus? I understand getting the voice of Jehovah of Dark. These rituals are essentially meant to connect to the shadow realm.

Cristina: But why.

Jack: But why? And why, again, why are we getting. Why is there energy reliance on the shadow realm? One question we need to figure out. Why is Jehovah of Dark so interested in Jesus if that's not even his descendant? Why is. Why are his people. I mean, I guess his people are trying to stop it so the gods don't find the technology that is in fact the way to do it because they haven't figured it out. And the sea people have it. I understand getting. I guess getting Jesus was about that.

Cristina: Why do we think there's a Jehovah Dark? How do we know that's not Jesus? He's separating these two characters.

Jack: Well, Jehovah of Dark is literally who's been kind of doing a lot of this crap. It's. We have Jehovah of Dark at the very crossing point where all these horrible things end and needing sacrifices end and all this stuff. And then we just have Jesus suddenly show up. We have Jehovah of Dark in many instances, communicating and asking for really dark things. This is why the sacrifices were asked for. Jehovah of Light has no reason for that. Jehovah Light is who's still around. He got rid of Jesus and then we're just hearing Jehovah of Light all the time. No more Jehovah of Dark.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: They are clearly two different. The switch from one to the other was so dramatic that it's obvious they were two different beings. And Jesus trying to create gateways to access the point he can die. Go back and have a gate to come through already. Fine. But then he is a physical creature from this side to have to die to get there first. Jehovah of dark is some s*** over there trying to f****** get people to create that fear and that thing because he needs that to come through. Jehovah give a crap. So we're arguing Jehovah of light is equal to the Greek and the Norse gods. And Jesus was gonna be. We're not gonna be. Jesus was just some other guy. This is some kid. But something weird happened. So the sea people were definitely elevating quickly to the point that they already have the population. Technology. Probably, yes. And they have the ability to traverse realms which even the Norse gods don't and the Greek gods don't, but the sea people do. So we're also talking that, again, these are just technologically advanced beings that seem like gods from our point of view, but it's just technology. They have to. Yes, the Norse and the Greek, the Christian. This is just technology.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Except when we're talking about the Shadow.

Cristina: Realm, what are you missing?

Jack: I don't know what we're missing. There's a lot of questions answered and a lot of questions just that popped up.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: It's complicated.

Cristina: Complicated. Still so many missing pieces.

Jack: And everything depends on the Shadow Realm. Somehow the Shadow Realm is fueling this side somehow. And Mount Kaath was an access point. And the Shadow people somehow made Mount Kaf invisible. It was very important for them to do that. Now, that doesn't stop anything from Mount Kaath from coming to this side. As far as I know, you made it unseen.

Cristina: But they can still.

Jack: Which is about other people not finding it. So not letting others access the Shadow Realm is important, but you having access to the Shadow Realm is important. You found a way to get there without needing the mountain. So you hid the mountain. You have the fruit that allows you to get there. Well, code fruit. Some technology. You have some technology that allows you to cross the threshold into the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: What are they doing? I don't know. I don't know. Because what would they want to do with those?

Jack: And something about the old equator involves. Is involved here. Something about the civilizations on the old equator is part of this. The Mayans and the Egyptians are particularly important in whatever's going on.

Cristina: It has to do with the end of the world. It feels like, I don't know, three.

Jack: Technologies that are incredibly astounding and then one for population. Are they building an army and are they gonna attack the Shadow Realm and take over it?

Cristina: I don't feel like that's it.

Jack: Clothes is just so crazy. Throw s*** at the wall and see if something stinks.

Cristina: Yeah. Nah, that doesn't feel right. Because there's so much hiding going on with them. They're hiding. They're hiding everything.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Everything's being hidden.

Jack: After sharing everything.

Cristina: After sharing everything.

Jack: They were sharing everything for a really long time and then something backfired. And it's not backfired. Who knows if it backfires? Something changed. We know that much. Something changed and then hiding. Everything is hiding now. I think they did discover or create or invent some form of nuts. Technology that they have to keep away from other s***. And following the finding of this technology, it was totally fine for them to completely erase an access point which was Mount Kaf.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They were maybe using that access point, but now nobody else can find it. And we're so good at hiding s***. You guys can't find us. And you guys can. H*** no. In no way find that mountain?

Cristina: No.

Jack: But why? And what is the importance of Jesus to Jehovah of Dark?

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know. There's still things we gotta figure out.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: It's so weird. We got a lot of things, though. So much is solved thanks to all of this connecting to each other. But still it makes no sense.

Jack: The problem is I don't know where to go from here. I don't know where to go from here. We've dissected the old equator. We've dissected Norse mythology and found some answers. We've. I can keep dissecting other religions. I guess there has to be some.

Cristina: Connection because what if one of these things does have a solution to a problem? Because I feel like Norse did solve some things.

Jack: A lot of things.

Cristina: Yeah. So we actually might be a good idea.

Jack: Yeah. I mean, we use two different religion. Luciferianism and Norse mythology. Yeah, we just got a. We got a couple of. One new detail of hearing gods in your head and of the. Specifically the places of focus which Mount Kaaf was clearly one of them. A place where you have a stronger connection.

Cristina: Oh, were you gonna say something about the creatures, though? Were they important?

Jack: Which creatures?

Cristina: The giants and the dwarfs.

Jack: Well, know that there's definitely some. Some buffer between locations.

Cristina: But why is that important?

Jack: Because the mountains. That means that there's probably creatures in front of Mount Kaath that are helping protect it.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Presumably there are sea people around Mount Kaaf and that when the Greek mention the sea people and they mentioned the giants, they're talking about the same Two. The two things are the same thing. The giants that can take them down are the sea people. Unless the giants were made by the sea people.

Cristina: Oh, that's possible too. It could be either. Or.

Jack: The ability to make life.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Can you make any life?

Cristina: Probably, yes.

Jack: Can you make an infinitely strong army? Make the playing field so uneven with Adam and Eve?

Cristina: I think so. I think so.

Jack: Make an army. Send s*** to the Shadow Realm, Team a bunch of s*** over there that is too overpowered. Bring it over here. You got problems.

Cristina: You can make an army. Like Lilith used Adam to make an army of demons.

Jack: Holy s***. You're totally right. And if Adam is literally just creation technology, then she literally.

Cristina: She literally used the machine to create life.

Jack: What the f***? I forgot all about that. She literally used the technology to create an army of demons and as a result was cast from using the technology.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Whaaat?

Jack: Holy s***. So it is.

Cristina: It's tech.

Jack: It's really overpowered tech that can make anything. That's probably how they made the Pegasus.

Cristina: Yes, but they made human life using Adam and Eve. That's important. Just as for human life. But you don't need Eve to make life.

Jack: You only need Adam.

Cristina: You just need Adam and then pair it with something else, I guess. And you make something else.

Jack: So then Eve is something different.

Cristina: Yes. Eve is human life somehow.

Jack: Yes. You can make anything with Adam, but you can make. Not human. Maybe that's not. Maybe you can make humans with just Adam because you made Eve with just Adam. Allegedly. Although we can assume that that's probably wrong. But you can make anything with Adam. There's some special sauce that Eve adds that the pairing makes important. Yeah, that the pairing makes dangerous. Chances are they probably won't keep Adam and Eve together.

Cristina: No. Unless they need to make more humans. But I doubt they.

Jack: I don't think it's to make humans. I think you only need Adam to make humans. And I also don't think you made humans with it. I think humans were already there and then we started developing way later. I don't think that the sea people made us. I don't think they're our God. Unless we're. I mean, then again, Jehovah, the actual Jehovah, not Jehovah of dark, but Jehovah of light is a sea person.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: And if we're. I guess maybe we were made by this f****** technology. Adam.

Cristina: I definitely think so. I think our ancient ancestors come from this machine.

Jack: Fair enough. So we're androids that resemble. Which it would explain a lot Considering our mind works so identically to when we make a computer, make a hyper advanced technology, and our brains are almost indistinguishable. We even call it neural synapses, which is what we're working with. Neurons.

Cristina: I feel like there's still so much.

Jack: So then what the f*** is the point of Eve? What did Eve give us that the gods want? Because then it's not even about Adam. It's about Adam and Eve.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the fruits. Yes, it's about the three fruits in Adam and Eve. There's a lot of technology with the sea people that even the. What we consider gods, which are just other advanced creatures, we are like, what the f***? We need that s***. Yeah, fair enough. The gods, Norse gods, didn't make life. Greek gods didn't make life. They're gods. And then there's life.

Cristina: Mm. Well, I think in the Norse, they did make life out of clay. I don't know. It's some weird story, but the people were like puppets until he did something. I don't remember the complete story.

Jack: Yes, I do. I know what you're talking about. Yes.

Cristina: Which would mean, like, maybe Adam just makes the puppet a puppet.

Jack: Eve creates the mind.

Cristina: Yeah, because that's why when eat.

Jack: When Lilith did it, Adam, she could just make demons.

Cristina: Yeah, because they were.

Jack: They were soulless chimeras. Not even chimeras. Homunculus demons. Demons.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Artificial life. To make a perfect life form, you need the Eve component.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So they all have the atom technology. They all have the atom technology. They don't all have the EVE technology.

Cristina: Yes, I think so.

Jack: And because the sea people have the EVE technology, they can also use that to improve on the atom technology. So the sea people have the best version of the atom technology because the.

Cristina: EVE technology is kind of the atom technology, like 2.0 or whatever.

Jack: Yes, interesting. Yes. 2.0. You required one to build the other.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Closer to something.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: Closer to something. There's something making sense here.

Cristina: Yes, I think so.

Jack: Interesting. So the sea people might have made it. I mean, makes sense. If Jehovah is the one running this project. Madam. And Evar technology. There's not people who work there. Whatever we call the serpent is one of the guys who works there. And Lilith was one of the ones who worked there. You know, three people worked there for effect. Jehovah, the serpent, and Lilith. And Lilith went rogue and used it to create. She shouldn't have. And was removed from the project.

Cristina: Yeah. Just curious about this new toy that they had or whatever this is.

Jack: Or don't know how the this connects to Jesus because Jesus has a huge role to play here too. We've definitely solved adrenochrome. That's an easy shortcut over there. We've finally connected alicorn. That's whatever's fueling the creation of these technologies that are allowing a way over there without losing your f****** mind through adrenochrome. Yes, we know distilled adrenochrome ichor allows you to do some details of what alicorn, which is way more overpowered, does. We know Adam and Eve is technology to create life, specifically Adam, but Eve might be the next stage of that that allows for a particularly complicated life, which all the others can't seem to figure out, I think. So I don't know what Jesus fits here. I think everything else has been answered. I just don't know how Jesus.

Cristina: Besides that, we know that they are most likely afraid of him or they're hiding from him or whatever. They kicked him out.

Jack: Something is special about Jesus. Something is different about Jesus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we know Jesus is probably in cahoots with Jehovah of dark because he's like, you guys betray me for whatever reason. Yes, we've answered a lot. We're left with, what does he want? What? What's the point of Jesus? What's the point of Jesus? We know that the churches are accessing these shadow realm creatures for no reason. They probably think it's really God or whatever the. Who knows? Yeah, it's not really important as far as we know. Or they're being manipulated by Jesus, who they're probably hearing in their head, actually. Probably hear Jesus in their head.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Whatever the case might be, they're puppets. Him something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The question is, is Jesus? It doesn't seem like he is, but also he does go ahead and make Jesus gates so that creatures could cross over. He might be a puppet himself, or he might be part of the bigger picture.

Cristina: He might be.

Jack: He might be. We don't know, but that's what I got.

Cristina: That's amazing.

Jack: Thank you. Norse mythology. You connect a lot of thoughts. Thank you. Luciferianism, your dark, dark, crazy, psychotic s***. Dark, Dark definitely gave us enough information that we required. So, look, I need you guys and anybody help, please. If you got something, anything, contact us, reach us, let us know. You can hit us up on the socials at JustConvo, Pod, Anywhere, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok.

Cristina: And remember to subscribe and review the.

Jack: Show and tell people we're getting to the bottom of something. Word of mouth is incredibly overpowered. And if you've ever had these weird a** questions and wanted to know the truest truths. Nobody's. Nobody's doing this. We're one and only here. This is like the deepest underground set of information you could ever find, right? You know how hard I f****** learned to find this s***? I can only explain to you how many dark web websites I have to travel to access documents that people have stolen from churches just to upload online because the church will obviously not let the surface web ever get this. And you can't really raise it off the. Off the dark web. You understand how hard it is to do this and like how many government watch lists I'm probably on for like traveling through these places? You just for this ridiculous. You guys should be thanking me.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

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July 08, 2023

Rambling 233: The Tanker War

July 08, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why did The United States support Iraq during the Iraq-Iran War? Why’d the Tanker War happen as a result? What were either of these conflicts really about? The duo deep dive into the war of the 80s curious to discover where the clues lead.

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Topics Discussed:

New Islam Ideology
Inconsistent Religious Text
The Sacred Lions
Mount Qaf
The Gateway
Alcaraz Palace
The Persian Gulf Conflict

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Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And so there was a particularly absurd and baffling idea that I wanted to ground for humanity.

Cristina: What's that?

Jack: I wanted to know what the h*** was the point of the United States being involved in the Iraq Iran war and what the point of the Iraq Iran war was.

Cristina: What got you thinking about that, though?

Jack: The fact that we hate both of those countries as a government, like our government hates both of those countries. What was the end like? Publicly, one of our politicians goes as far as to say that they wish they could both lose, but that's impossible.

Cristina: Okay, is this war still happening? What's happening?

Jack: No, this. This is old.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: This began in 1980 and ended in 1988. Okay, so a very, very, very long.

Cristina: Time ago, but currently people still hate.

Jack: The United States does. The United States is a racist piece of s*** that definitely does not like the Middle east and believes in bombing the crap out of them. Any ch. Obama made sure of that by removing a bunch of soldiers from over there and sending all the drones to continue raining a robotic h*** down on them. That's just what America does. Marka bombs the Middle east always.

Cristina: And then Biden took out the troops and left all the guns so that they could continue killing each other.

Jack: Yes, they can continue killing each other, and the drones can continue killing them as well. And our soldiers are nice and safe. Marca. Okay, funny, funny. Unrelated to this joke I was seeing, it was an interview, and it was Putin and some other guy having a conversation, and they were like, americans. If you're struggling with understanding what's happening with the United States and Ukraine, just imagine that. That Russia is the United States and that the Ukraine is like Africa or some Middle Eastern country. And I was like, oh, man. Oh, man. That's an easy way for Americans to get it.

Cristina: What?

Jack: They were like this. And then Putin just couldn't. He tried to keep a serious face and just, like, cracked up. He's like, that was too much, bro. Just imagine that Russia is America and that Ukraine is some Middle Eastern country. And I just. That was just too good.

Cristina: And what is our hate with the Middle East?

Jack: I have no idea. I have no clue. I have no clue what the h*** the Americans hate. I mean, before we even jump into what I'm Going to talk about.

Cristina: We're gonna go back.

Jack: We be. No, we just began with we hope. We wish they could both lose. I don't know what the beef is. Like, I.

Cristina: Was that said back then or was that said recently?

Jack: No, that was said during. Before we got into it.

Cristina: Oh, oh.

Jack: Before we got into it, it was like, I wish they could both lose, but. Oh, but that's impossible.

Cristina: Oh. Oh, that's.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So. So my curiosity was primarily with. Why the h*** did the United States get involved? Now, obviously, there's always the official reasons, but I don't believe any government about anything they say ever, because it's all.

Cristina: Like, for peacekeeping reason, some crap like that.

Jack: The United States always has their. Their reasoning, which is always noble and whatever. And so they're like, you know, the officially stated reason is so that Iran wouldn't win because Iran has an. You know, they're the bad guys for whatever reason. We gotta pick a side.

Cristina: We have to pick a side. So whoever sides we're not on is a bad guy.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Always for whatever reason. So I'm gonna. It's gonna be very apparent as I go through this what the truth of the matter is. I don't believe anything I'm ever told by a government. And as we peel layers back, we're gonna go through phases, and these phases are gonna reveal a lot of information. And we're gonna be like, oh, all.

Cristina: Right, so we're peeling an onion.

Jack: We're peeling an onion.

Cristina: All right, so first, let's try to.

Jack: Comprehend what the Iraq Iran war was.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Okay. So 1980 to 1988. This is the timeline we're looking at when we're talking about this war. Officially, this is what the case is. The war began because Iraq feared a new ideology which was spreading along Iran would spread to them.

Cristina: Is it a religion?

Jack: Yeah, it's. Well, it's the same religion they already follow. It's a different variant of it. It's like if the Pentecostals were like, we don't want Jehovah's Witnesses to force us.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like, you're ultimately all Christian.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But this version of Christianity versus that version of Christianity, even if ultimately it's the same idea, they're like, no. They were like, no. And the United States was like, we side with Iraq. I don't. We don't even like Islam. We just. We're. We're ab.

Cristina: Wait, who was who again? Who wants to stop the other person from spreading?

Jack: Iraq doesn't want the new Iranian version of Islam to leak into their Iraq.

Cristina: And America was like, Iraq is right.

Jack: Iraq is right. Iraq is totally right. Yes.

Cristina: Don't spread your religious.

Jack: Don't let the Islam of Iran overtake the Islam of Iraq. Because we care so much about Islam that we were like, oh no, this version is the right version of Islam.

Cristina: This is insane already.

Jack: It's absolutely crazy. This makes no sense. Based on what? Like, this is exactly why I asked the question, right? Like, come on, bro, you're not going to tell me this, this reason you gave us made sense?

Cristina: Is this one somehow closer to Christianity or something? Like what is like, I don't understand. We're the freedom of religious country to.

Jack: Like, like, yeah, whatever happens, happens. Let whoever wants to spread whatever happened. It's not our business, but we got involved nevertheless.

Cristina: But that's a weird side to be on when we're the ones that ran away from somewhere else because of religion and want to believe whatever we want to believe. And now we're like, no, you can't spread that. Like, I don't understand.

Jack: Well, it would be spreading it onto an already existing, like, based on our rules. It's like, well, Iraq should be able to believe whatever they want.

Cristina: Okay, but the force and Iran would.

Jack: Be forcing it on Iraq, their new belief.

Cristina: How. How are they doing that then?

Jack: Well, I'll continue. There's a leader of the new Islamic ideology. His name was. I'm a destroy this name Ruhalla Romani. So hopefully I didn't f*** that up, but who cares? This guy was a horrible person. So I don't know. Based on the, like, the United States isn't going to complain about it.

Cristina: This is a government guy or religious guy?

Jack: Both problems already, okay? Both. Because it wasn't just religion. He was a politician and he wanted a version of political religion. Now we're starting to get a better picture, right? It was political religion that he was pushing. So the. But it's crazy because that already is what's happening in Iraq. It's political religion.

Cristina: He's trying to push it onto the other country or he's just Iraq. Yes.

Jack: So the idea, his ultimate idea is that he wants to unite both versions of Islam, the Iranian version and the Iraq version of Islam into one cohesive version under a main umbrella. And it's his version of Islam or not his version, but the version that him and his followers are essentially on.

Cristina: And we're like, we don't want peace.

Jack: We don't want peace and unity. We need you guys to continue killing each other at every possible Turn and we're gonna help you. Kill some of you, so that you guys continue killing some of you. Interesting, because we could have just helped the guy who's spreading it and be like, yeah, unity sounds pretty sweet, but no, let's continue. Instability, that's very, very important to us.

Cristina: Yes, we love it.

Jack: Yeah. We can't have the Middle east uniting. Then they become a giant country our size with equal intelligence and power. And then what? Then. Then it's. They're not a third world. We can't keep them in the Third world. They become the First World. And, like, we don't like that. We're like, state third world. So we can talk about.

Cristina: Where's the Second World?

Jack: I don't know. Australia. Like, it's savage and civilized simultaneously. I guess. South Africa.

Cristina: South Africa.

Jack: Is that. I think that would be like the Second World. Right? That's not a Third World country.

Cristina: Does anyone ever say second World? Does anyone call themselves Second World?

Jack: Does anybody call themselves Third World? That might just be some.

Cristina: That's pretty American. Yes, but.

Jack: Okay, the idea is there. Ultimately, they're trying to push this existing idea, this existing religion onto another existing religion. But politically speaking, yes. Fine. Okay, Fine and dandy. Why do we have to pick a side? Still don't know. It's still ridiculous. My guess, absolute instability is what we desire from the Middle East. We can't have anything.

Cristina: Is the world saying things or is it just our country that's.

Jack: But we're buddying it. There's not a lot of people taking part in this. It's really those two. And then us.

Cristina: Not in the uk, not even Russia. No one.

Jack: None of that matters because of the point of what I'm talking about there. Maybe they weren't significant enough to have shown up while I was researching this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The important people are the ones I've mentioned. The United States was the point of this question. So we're focusing on that. And as far as we know, not a clue. We have no clue why there is any interest. I believe it is to maintain instability. That seems the only logical reason we would be involved in this, to maintain instability amongst the Middle East. Because if unity happened at any moment, then what? Okay, so the leader of this movement had a couple of lines that he would quote consistently. These lines immediately caught my attention while I was looking at them. So he went out of his way to state consistently that this ideological government was an order from above. Never at any point that he specifically mention God or Allah in saying it was an order from above. I Found that interesting, considering most people in those texts will immediately cite their God above. He would say Allah, but never when he's talking about an order from above. I found that particularly interesting. That's the good part about having a lot of journalistic experience, spotting inconsistencies, and so those weren't in accordance with a lot of the way people spoke. But anyways, he believes that people were fearful of the truth and fleeing from. This is a direct quote. Fearful of the truth and fleeing from it and from the remembrance of Allah and the Quran. Fine. That line didn't catch my attention. He said it a lot. As much as he would say an order from above, but he would also say this next line that really, really made me go, He also stated that they were fearful of a lion resting in our faith. A lion fearful of a lion resting in our faith. Like, you're just scared of the big bad cat waiting for you. Make a move. But that's. That's how he was displaying it. Oh, you're just fearful because you see something big and you don't want to move. But our faith should be stronger. And even if there is a lion, you should walk into that lion's den.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But the terminology was just. You could have worded this any other way. You're fearful of a lion, huh? Are you thinking about many things?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But this immediately made me, you know, go back, look at a couple of things. So the lion holds great significance in Islamic belief, which is why it's weird that he would word it in such a way if you're also pushing Islam. What. What's your beef with the lion, bro? It's like, a lot of the time used to represent strength and wisdom, bravery, leadership, a lot. We've seen it in many other cultures. We've seen it. The deceased people have it. The Christians have it. The Jews have it. It's everywhere. Lion is everywhere. What is your beef, and why is that the example?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Something about what you're preaching is now different than what everybody else is preaching. Because you didn't like the lion. Everybody else loves the lion. You didn't like the what? Why? Okay, so one of the more concerning lines which led to the war was the suggestion that Iran was to fill the Islamic vacancy left for the last 2000 years. One which cannot and will not be questioned, which was repeated often in his propaganda. Okay, okay. You got way specific, bro. You got way specific. You're gonna fill a vacancy that was formed for the last 2000 years. A religious vacancy that was formed for the last 2,000 years, a political, religious vacancy. I can only think of Jesus Christ 2000 years ago, bro. Yeah, like, that's hyper specific. What are you talking about? What vacancy? Christianity, Islam became quite substantial belief systems then. What vacancy are you talking about?

Cristina: Do you have any idea? Because what does that mean?

Jack: Well, the biggest issue my concern is what you're thinking. Like, what the f*** do you mean, bro? But the way that Iraq perceived this is, and I'm assuming the United States too, because of one which cannot and will not be questioned. It rings in such a way. Well, first of all, it's absolutely cryptic and confusing, but secondly, it rings like dictatorship, Like a strong push towards dictatorship, which is presumably what the United States.

Cristina: Saw and be like, bad guy.

Jack: Yeah, exactly, exactly. We were suddenly like, that's against democracy. Now we got an excuse.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He sounds like he's a dictator, and we don't like dictators. We go to war with all the dictators. Not to say that being a dictator is necessarily bad. I'm sure at some point in history there's gonna be a really good dictator. It's just humans get corrupted quick. But also, like, what politician do we have that isn't corrupt? For us to be pointing at some other political system being like, no, that's corrupt. Like, shut the f*** up. We're all corrupt.

Cristina: That's very true, points out the politician.

Jack: So I know surface details about ancient Islamic beliefs. So I had to do some mythological digging to find, you know, what happened in the last 2000 ish years relative and what the belief systems were. So let's unpack a couple of details of ancient Iranian mythology.

Cristina: Okay, so wait, before you do that, can I just ask one more question about this Fire the two, they already had separate religions, or were they already believing the same religion before this guy came? Like, what was happening religiously?

Jack: They were both Islamic already.

Cristina: Okay. And he's like, we're both like, Islamic. Let's partner up.

Jack: Well, they're different variants of Islam. They're both is. Again, it's like the Jehovah's Witness crossing paths with the Pentecostals.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: So it's just different variants of them that are there. And I guess he had a version that a version existed that. That he believed in and he made particularly powerful with his group. With his group of people. Yeah. So they truly, honestly believe that this was the right way and they were trying to spread that, but in a political way, not just in a religious way. They were trying to enforce it politically, legislate and whatnot.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're trying to bring Iraq into that, to unite under this new. And the Iraqis were like, no, this is not happening. What we believe is right, what you believe is wrong. And we weren't bothering you, but you're not going to force that on us. Okay, now we go back into these things. There was a noble despot, which is basically a dictator guarded by two vipers. Now, weird. Noble and snakes together might be the only mention in any religious text that I have ever seen other than Norse mythology that insinuates a snake being on the right side of things. That caught my attention quite heftily. I was like, what, dude? Okay, you got mentions of good snakes. You're defending the good guy. What?

Cristina: But.

Jack: Okay, whatever. Yeah, I found that weird. Then I come across something called Mount Kafka. Now this mountain. Get ready for this. I didn't know about this. I know about this. The first time I've heard about this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Mount Kaath is a mountain said to belong to the Djinn, a gateway from another realm, specifically said to be the beginning of the unseen divine world. This is an ancient f****** text.

Cristina: The sea people, they live in the other world. Whatever.

Jack: Sea people don't live in the other world. This is the Shadow Realm, bro.

Cristina: I know it's the Shadow Realm, but they. They don't. I don't know. They have mountains and the mountains can teleport. Like, it's not teleporting to here, but.

Jack: This is saying, Jin, this has no mention of the sea people.

Cristina: I feel like it's related now, but continue.

Jack: I see where you're coming from, though, but the mountain is located in the Caspian Sea, the body of water directly above the Persian Gulf. Interesting. We're going to get to a conclusion in a moment. Definitely fascinating that there is a mountain near the Persian Gulf where there are jinn and is said to be a port. Not only are there Djinn, but it belongs to the Djinn. And it's said to contain a portal from where the jinn are coming from.

Cristina: Exactly. Opposite sides are just things that come from the other side.

Jack: Yes, well, humanoids from the Shadow Realm. Because there's a bunch of other non Djinn things on the other side of the Shadow Room. But yeah, ultimately the human, quote, humans unquote of the Shadow Realm are the Djinn. There's a mountain called Kaath that happens to have a portal. There's a lot of echoes here of reminiscent things.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But. Okay, we go on. And I find that there is a type of thing called the Da'. Eva.

Cristina: What is that?

Jack: The Da' eva is the name of the leaders of the Jinn and other creatures among the mountain, oftentimes referred to as the gods of the Djinn. Oh, very interesting. There is one specific one called Dai. Who's the big Kahuna? The biggest Kahuna. The creator of that realm.

Cristina: The creator of that realm, yes.

Jack: Now I'm starting to see a whole other image because I thought I had the same ideas you had until I did. Dug a little deeper and I'm like, weren't the sea People avoiding something?

Cristina: Exactly. Now I'm confused. Because we thought they were avoiding that God from that other place.

Jack: That's what I still believe is the case. Get the f*** out of Dodge. Because that s***'s right around the corner.

Cristina: That's where they came from.

Jack: That's not where the sea people came from. That's where the thing that wants what the sea people had came from. So they were like, let's get the f*** out of here with all of it. And so they went. The Atlantic Ocean is my belief, because the Big Bad is right there. Jehovah the scientist and whatever the other thing is that he was trying to hide the Garden of Eden from came from that mountain. In theory. I don't know. That's my guess so far. But interesting things we never knew about. Additionally part of the same. Also, it's important to say that Iranians are Persians. The same thing. Iranians is Persians is the name of that entire region, including the Iraqis and basically the Middle East, Saudi Arabia, all of that was Persia. Okay, so there's a place called Alcaraz Palace.

Cristina: Is this a real place?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Alcaraz palace was completely made out of marble. According to ancient texts, the palace was colossal. A big city under one roof with its walls extending from one horizon to the other. And it was situated along the coast of Persia, AKA the Persian Gulf.

Cristina: It was a city right next to the water. So in a sort of bubble already.

Jack: And this name is actually in a couple of texts. I didn't catch it before when I came across the name, but this is the actual name of the Persian Gulf oasis. Like the main quarters.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They had a name all along. It was Alcaraz Palace. That is where maybe the main politicians or the big bads or those, you know, the big kahunas of the sea people lived.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there were.

Cristina: There was a civilization in a building, which sort of.

Jack: No, not just a city in a building, because I assuming there's a dome and a bunch of buildings. But this was the biggest of the buildings. The biggest of the buildings in the city.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The big quarters. This is Mount Olympus of the sea people. Now, the palace was known for having a large library. This is just me reading parts of these texts. Large library, many books which didn't survive to this day. However, some books did, such as the Avasta, are still used, which is used for Islam. It's one of the texts that's used to enforce Islam.

Cristina: I thought you were gonna say it's a BC area or something. No, no, no, that's random.

Jack: Now, the picture that's painted so far, as far as I can see, this guy is preaching a version of Islam that disagrees with the current state of Islam that is there. He's talking about an ancient form of Islam and a vacancy that was formed presumably when the sea people left the Persian Gulf oasis and migrated to the Atlantic Ocean, which was roughly 2,000 years ago.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That movement coincided perfectly with the lack of inner. With a sudden stop in interaction with an evil super God that decided to consistently torture, kill all this nonsense. Jehovah. Quote, Jehovah became good 2000 years ago and stopped murdering. This guy says a vacancy began 2,000 years ago. It looks like this guy's version of Islam is whatever the h*** the mountain was. Mount Kaf. He was on the side of the Jinn. That's the religion he believes should exist. Keep in mind, all of this is still Persia, Iran and Iraq. All of this is still Persia. This man in the 80s is essentially preaching the shadow realm version of it.

Cristina: Interesting. But then his goal wouldn't just be to have these two countries reunite, but the whole Middle east or just these two countries.

Jack: It's possible that it's about taking over the Middle east because he would start with Iraq. Yeah, but there are many other parts of the Middle east that are. The majority is Islamic. And like Christianity, it's a lot of different sects. So in theory, what you're thinking is what I'm thinking. He wanted to you unify all the versions of Islam under this shadow version of it, worshiping some sort of shadow God, the Jehovah of Dark.

Cristina: Who spoke to him?

Jack: Who spoke to him? Direct orders from Jehovah of Dark.

Cristina: That's why he said to avoid the lion or something.

Jack: Avoid the lion? Like we're fleeing from the lion. It's like, no, don't flee the lion is whatever system was already there, which happens to be every other religion is based on. But that's not even the point. Primarily the religion of the sea people. They worshiped the lion, specifically. Interesting.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now, why did we get involved? Is still the question lingering. But suddenly when we get here, a lot of mist is lifted. Because why? Because they were made to. The United States wanted no part in this. They were obligated to. Because by the sea people.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: They were made to take part and preserve.

Cristina: To stop it.

Jack: To stop it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: To stop the overtake. Because it's corrupt. They know. They understand, like, it's global types of bad. You're gonna allow them to take over. They'll expand a little more. And they'll expand a little more. They'll give this thing enough power to do what it does. And you're going to go back to what it was like before year one, okay? And nobody wants that guy out here. This was a push to bring Jehovah of Dark out of wherever he was put. Presumably Mount Kaf got sealed off because Mount Kaf's location is only known as the Caspian Sea. There's no specific location for it. Because one of the very things that's stated about Mankof is it could only be found by those willing to embrace it. You have to want what's there to even see the mountain.

Cristina: So he saw the mountain.

Jack: Who saw the mountain? The guy? Yeah, probably. The point is that the mountain can't be found and that the mountain was probably pushed away entirely. I'm assuming the mountain was absolutely normal, physically speaking, before Jehovah of Dark was sealed in there back on his side. So the gateway, the mountain and everything on it plunged into wherever by the sea people and whatever abilities they had to do. So, so the mountain just disappears.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that nobody can access Jehovah of Dark, but this guy somehow finds a way or reads a text or something. Something. Maybe he never saw the mountain.

Cristina: We get some kind of connection to this God.

Jack: But he knows. Yeah, he knows something. Presumably God on the other side communicating somehow. You know, he could probably just gather enough energy to manifest and at least send his voice. And this guy hears it and he's like, God is speaking to me, of course, but it's the God of Dark. It's Jehovah of Dark. And so he commences this entire process, gets people on board. The movement starts to pick up. At first it wasn't a problem, but with time it started to build up more and more and more until the sea people were like, this is becoming a problem.

Cristina: Okay? And then we did something.

Jack: When they finally started the push into a different country, then they were like, that's absolutely too strong. It's not just with us. It's not just a faction within a country now. It's a country trying to push into another country. Yeah, it grew too much. Now the United States again doesn't care. We hate the Middle east. That's our M.O.

Cristina: We want them to die. Okay?

Jack: We want them to die. And the sea people don't care. They're like, whatever, dude. We'll let them do what they're gonna do is perfectly fine. Let them kill each other, too. We don't give a crap. We got out of.

Cristina: Got to protect this secret.

Jack: We got to. Yeah, we got to protect the secret. And they went over here. Fine. It's all hidden and nothing matters until the waves, the sound of Jehovah, of dark, maybe come back that suddenly. Oh, hold up. Now. We got to take some action. But they're not going to take action themselves. They don't exist to the world, so they need a proxy. Enter America.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They're right next to us. They're right there in the Atlantic Ocean, right next to us. We respond to what they want. Had they been next to some European country, they would have bent their arm. But we're the closest, we're the loudest, and we're known for crap like this anyways, so send the Americans in to stop the problem. So then we. The war breaks out, and they start to help Iraq because the Iranians are following the God of dark. Suddenly, the image makes perfect sense.

Cristina: Yes. Yes.

Jack: Now, let's talk a little more about this war. The Iranian war began. The Iranian Iraqi war began in 1980 and ended in 1988. Perfect. In the middle of that, there was something called the Tanker War. Same countries, but this took place in the Persian Gulf. Now, the official narrative here is this was over trade routes.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You know, because the war is happening. We're all surrounding this thing. Saudi Arabia, to current day, known as the guardians of the Persian Gulf. Like, at this moment for, like, a really long time. They're the people who usually kind of keep the peace in that area because they're neutral, according to a bunch of these other people who hate each other. They tend to be removed because they're also the most powerful group there. People just kind of subdue them. So they side also with Iraq. Okay, so we have another country enter. And they are also, like, we don't like what's going on there. But they only got involved at this point. They only got involved once it went to the Persian Gulf.

Cristina: Because of the trade routes.

Jack: Because the trade routes, quote. Because trade routes unquote. Okay, Saudi Arabia got involved. Now all of this is happening around them the entire time. This began in 1984 and ended in 1988. So this is four years after it began. They were neutral. They didn't care. It didn't bother them until it bled into the Persian Gulf. Suddenly they're like, okay, we're in, and we're not letting you guys do whatever you're doing here. Trade routes, blah, blah, blah. Now, this is just a smaller conflict. And what's weird about this is that both sides fighting for trade routes seem to be really fixated with establishing trade routes along the path where they both were. It said that the palace of Alcaraz was located. How convenient that where you're trying to set trade routes and that the second smaller conflict breaks out happens to be where the Persian Gulf oasis was.

Cristina: Why do you think that spot is important?

Jack: Because either the Iranians are trying to erase the history that's there or capture whatever was left behind. Something about that required. Something about that area required Saudi Arabia to stay behind and guard it. Okay, there's something to guard. And Iran wanted that. Wanted to either capture it or destroy it. That part is unclear. I just know that for whatever reason, in 1984, suddenly a second conflict about trade routes that just so happened to be over where the palace of Alcaraz was, AKA the Persian Gulf oasis. So there's a lot of effort here being made in an obvious, obvious fashion for what seems to be Jehovah of Dark, A missing mountain, the Persian Gulf oasis ruins or whatever we would call that. If it's. If it's possible that it could be ruined now. What do you think about this? This is crazy, right?

Cristina: Yes. I think it's happening. Or it was happening that the. That guy was working with him, I guess. I don't know. That's so weird because he was speaking to something.

Jack: He was speaking to something. It's so specific. It's so specific that he would say things in such a way that lions are the problem. Lions. You're fearful of lions? Why are you fearful of lions? We had weird. The fact that this is this. I'm totally thrown off by the fact that a mountain with a portal to the Shadow Realm and the Atlanteans are.

Cristina: In the same spot.

Jack: Portals.

Cristina: It's so crazy. That is weird.

Jack: Yeah. The Atlanteans establish portals on mountains as well.

Cristina: Yes. How are they really?

Jack: Unless it's not because Pegasus. They fly to the tops of mountains.

Cristina: No, we don't know that. We know they come down from Mountains.

Jack: We know they come down from mountains with Pegasus.

Cristina: That doesn't mean they fly up with Pegasus.

Jack: Yes, we don't actually know that for a fact. You're totally right. We know. Mountains. Mountains. Something is weird about mountains.

Cristina: Yeah. Portal technology. There's portals on this mountain specifically, that goes to the other side, to the shadow realm.

Jack: There's a way to get to the shadow. There's an actual physical gate to the shadow realm.

Cristina: So they might also have found that, and maybe that helped them with the technology to teleport.

Jack: I am thinking that. I'm really, really believing that they put that mountain away. I believe that the sea people went out of their way, assuming Jehovah is also one of the sea people. And they put away this mountain. They closed the portal, they got rid of the Djinn, they closed the mountain, and they made it vanish. Which is why it's a mountain that cann be found.

Cristina: Yeah, but did they base their portal technology off of a natural portal?

Jack: That's interesting, because this portal isn't a. We're talking the difference between a portal and a wormhole.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Because this is a portal to a different realm, as opposed to what the sea people have, which seems to just be teleportation technology.

Cristina: Yeah. That's so crazy. Advanced teleportation technology.

Jack: Well, we know they're advanced. I'm not sure why that's a surprise. That's the fact of the matter. Matter.

Cristina: Yes, but.

Jack: And, like, other than the mountain part, it doesn't seem to be connected. It seems very different. Because it never said, like, you go through a portal on top of Mount Athos and you end up at. In a different realm. Yeah, in a different universe.

Cristina: In heaven, they must have at least been inspired to put their portals on mountains because of this portal on a mountain?

Jack: It depends how old we think this mountain is.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because you gotta also understand that Mary went through one of these portals that took her from one location to the other on Earth. So did they. This mountain, Mount Kaf, must be millions of years old, the way that the sea people are, and thus they use the technology, discovered this technology or adapted it millions of years ago. And that would be the case because if it happened around 2,000 years ago, then no, that wouldn't. Like, the timeline doesn't check out. You know, they already had it. And if this was the first encounter with the mountain, that they finally found a way to stop it, that there is finally safe enough for them to head over there and stop the mountain, then that means they would have never encountered the mountain until that moment. And they couldn't have taken the technology from there.

Cristina: The mountain disappeared 2,000 years ago.

Jack: Yes, from. Not necessarily disappeared. The discrepancy in text. Basically, it was just a mountain that belonged to the Djinn and the Daivi, or whatever they're called. And around 2,000 years ago, which is also around the same time that Jehovah of darkness just vanishes around that point is where now the mountain can only be found by those who seek it, by those who are worthy and those who are. Who want what it offers.

Cristina: Okay, so, yeah, it does sound like they're hiding it with their own technology.

Jack: Yes. I'm thinking two different types of things. Natural something, and the crazy advanced, overpowered technology of the sea people. They somehow plunge this mountain away. The same way they hide a literal island garden. Okay, Unless it's not an island garden. And these are all code names for technology, which seems to be the most likely.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But either way, they can hide themselves an entire city. So they can hide a mountain.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Presumably in plain sight. The mountain probably never moved. The mountain is probably a mountain over water or something. And it's cloaked.

Cristina: You can still see it randomly.

Jack: I'm thinking whoever knows where it is just walks in that direction. Think of Wakanda. It doesn't cease to be where it is. It just can't be seen without being there. But if you manage to cross and get to the barrier. Well, now touch it. You can see the other side. You can cross the barrier. Because it's just being cloaked. Yeah, it's still there. Now they somehow sealed whatever was in there. Nothing can get out. And Jehovah of Dark is trapped in there. He also can't get out. The mountain invisible, but the mountain still there somewhere. Mount Kaaf is on Earth. Somewhere in the Caspian Sea. Still there, invisible.

Cristina: Right next to where they used to live.

Jack: Right next to the Persian Gulf. The Caspian Sea. Basically. If you're looking at a globe, north is the Caspian Sea. Then you go down a little, you hit Iraq. You go down a little more, you hit Iran. You go down a little more. Persian Gulf.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They are divided, the Persian Gulf and the Caspian Sea, by Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Those are the countries in between these two bodies of war.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: To the north, Caspian Sea. To the south, the Persian Gulf. And there's a mountain in the Caspian Sea. Totally vanished. Disappeared. Doesn't exist, but it's still there. It sounds like sea people technology.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Your ability to make things vanish in your face.

Cristina: Mm. What happened? What happened? It's like we have so many pieces of this story, many fragments. Yes. Somehow Jesus is involved.

Jack: Yes, 100%.

Cristina: Just 2,000 years ago.

Jack: Everything happened 2,000 years ago.

Cristina: And it's still question like, were they hiding from him? Were they trying to hide him? What.

Jack: What bothers me is that I just ask a random question out of curiosity, like, what was our point? I knew it would go here simply because of the one fact that it doesn't seem logical for us to involve ourselves in this conflict. And it evolves the Middle east, which is Persia. I knew this is the only reason I chased this. I knew where this was going. By default, he's a Persia because Persia.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: Now I. Not literally where it was going. I knew what was going to be mentioned, which was definitely the Sea People. Of course, I did not know that djinns were gonna come up.

Cristina: No, that's.

Jack: That's random.

Cristina: Mind blowing.

Jack: But now we have very vividly another instance in which we've connected or gotten proximity between two things. Last time we managed to get proximity between Adrenochrome and the Sea People. Now we again made proximity between the Shadow Realm and the Sea People. And we know factually because we made in the past long ago the proximity of Adrenochrome and the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: There's still something missing. They're like. It's connect. They're dotted lines that we gotta fill out. What? This is crazy.

Jack: Something about mountains that keep showing up. Something about mountains that keep showing up. Portals on mountains. Cyprus had one too.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Portals and mountains. Something about portals and mountains. Interesting enough.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The Shinto shrine design and pathways.

Cristina: I was about to. I was thinking about portals. I was thinking about it.

Jack: Yep. Just looks like portals.

Cristina: And one of those stories is Jesus made tribes.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yep. You see, you see how all of this kind of works together? Looks like portals, bro?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Shrines where deities, divine entities, spirits and ghosts come through, go to hover around, happen to be on mountains. And they literally look like portals.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If we assume in Western culture, a single portal at the top, and we don't see it because nobody's allowed up there, but if we look at the places where we are allowed to look, more or less the same idea, the same people visited those locations, except we're allowed to look and we see gateways that look like freaking portals, we can assume that maybe these same gateways are on top of these other mountains. Maybe not necessarily on top of Mount Kafka. Definitely something else happening up there. But at least in Shinto and on top of Athos. And on top of Cyprus, there must be something that looks like these Shinto shrine archways, creating a visual that maybe there is some teleportation technology working in some kind of quantum state that allows them to just poof out of here and poof over there.

Cristina: Yeah. What?

Jack: But the bigger picture is hazy.

Cristina: It's so hazy.

Jack: Yeah, we have all the parts. We keep circling the same parts. Everything leads back to the same parts. I just asked, why did the United States get involved in the Iraq Iranian war and moved forward from there? We know we don't like those people. Why did we go help either one of them?

Cristina: Because something told us to.

Jack: Something told us to. Something was bigger than our dislike of the Middle East. They convinced us by telling us. Well, they didn't have to convince us. They're overpowered in ridiculous fashion. If they could, like, strong arm us to do kind of anything. But I'm sure they didn't. I'm sure it was like, look, this is what it'll look like if you let it happen. And they were like, oh, crap. And then we just kind of went and did our thing. Yeah, but the fact that it circled right back, this ideology that this man was pushing, that scene. There are people now still now. But then we see these politicians talking about the adrenochrome, these politicians talking about child sacrifice. We know of an island on Earth where children were trafficked to. Children were abused in many different ways.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's a fact. That's real. Did this island have a mountain, though? Did Epstein's island have a mountain, though? Okay, so. No, it is absurdly flat.

Cristina: It's very flat.

Jack: Well, maybe the idea is that this was just remote as f***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because can these people find Mount Koth? If they did, they wouldn't need adrenochrome. There's no mountain here. And that's why they need adrenochrome, because then you can access the other side. If you have access to the mountains, you don't need adrenochrome. I guess that's the break. So we're, in theory, we're talking natural elements of this side connecting to the Shadow Realm will never cross the unnatural elements on this side of adrenochrome, because that would defeat the purpose. You're using adrenochrome because you can't find the natural elements of the Shadow Realm on this side. If you could, you wouldn't need the adrenochrome. You would just use the portal.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So on top of the fact that the adrenal chrome could give you immortality and special abilities. If you crossed over to the shadow realm through that portal, would you just fall apart? Because your body can't sustain on that version of reality. So you need adrenochrome anyways.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Makes more sense to do that. And this belief system isn't talking about them crossing. This belief system seems to be about bringing what's over there over here over here. Based on the logic, we know Jehovah of Dark is over there. Jinn reside on this mountain, and it's a portal to that side.

Cristina: And Jesus might be over there.

Jack: I don't think Jesus is over there. And I don't think the portals that Jesus built have anything to do with the natural portal that exists on Mount Cough. I think those are unrelated. I think the Jesus portals are technology and they are sea people. Technology.

Cristina: But was he trying to get to the sea or was he trying to get to the.

Jack: I think the sea.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because why would he try to get to the other side? They sealed that off intentionally.

Cristina: He seems very interested in adrenochrome. He seems to be adrenochrome addict. Like, I know they twisted him into a hero and made him a good guy, but those are the books that they put out. Yes, the Bible.

Jack: Because there is a giant correction happening as well.

Cristina: Yes, because they were on the side of his mom. She was one of them. That doesn't mean they were on his side.

Jack: Yeah, because the Magi's job was entirely to correct and suppress and protect.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So they went out of their way on top of making the Knights Templar, in order to also continue to eradicate any information and rewrite. Continuous rewrites.

Cristina: Which the rewrite could be that our hero is the villain.

Jack: Well, the rewrite. Yeah, it's rewriting that he was the villain.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they did kick him out.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they totally welcomed Mary, but they did not welcome Jesus.

Cristina: No, but they're telling us the lie that he's a good guy.

Jack: But those portals. Those portals. I mean, the portals do say. Fair enough. Fair enough. Nothing about Mount Athos has ever said demons. That feels technology. They just show up. It doesn't feel weird. It doesn't feel dark. But everything about the Jesus portals feels dark. Because it's Shinto portals.

Cristina: Yes, we know. Demons are there.

Jack: Demons, spirits, divinity, all of it. All of it. So maybe you're right. Jesus found the way. Actually, what you were saying before is literally what Jesus was doing, but not what the sea people were doing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You were thinking the sea people created adopted Technology. No, Jesus did.

Cristina: Jesus did.

Jack: Jesus did. The sea people did not.

Cristina: No.

Jack: They were doing everything in their power to separate these two entities. We need to get rid of that mountain. We need to get rid of Jesus and not let them cross paths. Worked. Except Jesus is still a sea person. He has the intellect, he has know how, and he's some sort of divinity himself. And they knew the visions of this child would allure people to whatever it is that Adam and Eve and the Garden of Eden are. There's something weird and special about this child. And the kids somehow still, still f****** managed to make portals that allow at least lesser beings to come through.

Cristina: Yes. But not this bigger, scarier thing.

Jack: They're trying to hunt and they manage to kill Jesus. I'm assuming at this point now this is really, really probably orchestrated by the sea people. The death of Jesus was probably orchestrated by the sea people.

Cristina: But him coming back, was that because of the adrenochrome?

Jack: That was because.

Cristina: And then they really couldn't stop him.

Jack: They couldn't stop him.

Cristina: They probably knew they couldn't stop him, but they didn't know, like, they didn't know.

Jack: They didn't know the extent. They knew about alicorn. They didn't know about adrenochrome. He discovered adrenochrome. He discovered the technology to make the portals. Jesus is a particularly bad guy in the story. We know the Templar were going out of their way, we know the magi were going out of the way to correct consistently. Correct consistently. And they tried to convince this child of other things, but he didn't seem to give a f***.

Cristina: And they knew killing him wouldn't stop him. But then they got desperate and they did it. But it didn't matter because they couldn't stop him because he came back.

Jack: I don't know if they knew that ahead of time. I don't think they knew about adrenochrome. They knew.

Cristina: No, I don't think they knew. I think they just knew they had to stop him.

Jack: Oh yeah. I don't think they knew he would come back like.

Cristina: No, they knew they were gonna fail, I think.

Jack: How?

Cristina: Because they knew the future enough to know that he was a danger and that they really couldn't stop him. But they were trying hard. That's why they have all this backup and cover up.

Jack: No, the only things they knew about the future was, was the kid. People didn't have visions of the future. People had visions of the child.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They had visions of the child and where the child was. So they to change where the child would be so that those visions wouldn't lead them there. So they got rid of the kid because the visions were of the kid there in the Persian Gulf oasis. So they send Mary out, and they're like, we're gonna move everybody. People already around the globe had visions of us here. We're gonna send you out. You're gonna have that kid on Mount Cyprus. We're going to then go move entirely. The visions are gonna lead everybody to Cyprus. There's gonna be a way for you to get from Cyprus to Athos and from Athos to our new home. But the kid won't be with you. Nobody will ever have visions of where we are.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: It will never happen because you had the kid away, and the kid will never be where we're gonna be. So visions of the kid will never lead people to us. Thus, we protect Adam and Eve in the garden.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now, the kid with these special abilities and science, know how. Found adrenochrome, made adrenochrome, invented adrenochrome, discovered adrenochrome.

Cristina: Something.

Jack: Adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then something. Portals.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the problem persisted. They were like, okay. They didn't know about the adrenochrome part.

Cristina: No.

Jack: They knew about the portal part. And they're like, this guy's gotta go. Like, I'm sorry, Mary, but he's gotta go. They orchestrate the whole thing. The guy gets killed. Put him in a hole. Sweet. Now they're like, oh, yeah, he's crazy. Not kids talking about coming back, whatever. But then he actually comes back, and you're like, holy crap. What the f*** happened? He surpassed us. We managed to take his life the way we would one of our own and permanently be dead. And he's still around. He came back after we killed him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Problems.

Cristina: But then I guess he went to the other side. Like, why did he disappear, too?

Jack: That's interesting, because he did go somewhere else. According to everything. He went somewhere else.

Cristina: Probably did go.

Jack: He managed to find a way.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: These portals were one way. This way.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because.

Cristina: Because he came back from death, he became something else.

Jack: Oh, because he had adrenochrome, he was.

Cristina: He became whatever.

Jack: Yes. He can access the other side after death.

Cristina: That was his goal.

Jack: He made a portal, and then he got killed. The portals are a one way over here. Yes, he got killed. He shows up in the Shadow Realm because he took adrenochrome. He already made the portals. He built his way back before they killed him. Holy crap.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He built his way back before they killed him.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Took the adrenochrome, knowing it would happen because he has something. Something about him is allowing him to predict well enough.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And he gets killed, goes to the shadow realm, comes back through the portals that he himself built while he was alive.

Cristina: I think so. And maybe he's the one talking to these other people.

Jack: It could be him. Maybe it's the. The. Yeah. Because he can access. He just got to stay under the radar. But it's probably him. It's probably not Jehovah of Dark. He probably saw Jehovah of Dark and they're in cahoots. And so this entire conflict in the Middle east was actually the fault of Jesus because he was pushing farther and farther. And chances are he's trying some other way now.

Cristina: Right now.

Jack: Right now. He's always trying something.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He's always trying something. Because the goal is presumably to bring Jehovah of Dark back.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I don't know why. If you are a C person, maybe the. The anger of being cast and not being allowed with his people is like, okay, then f*** him. F*** those people. Revenge forever. But they were protecting themselves already from the s*** that now you're siding with. They were protecting that from him, which meant you're some sort of special thing that people had visions of. They had to get rid of you to protect that from him. But in doing so, now you're an angry person and you're like, I'm a side with him, then.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The ultimate goal is to bring him back, to take them down and maybe.

Cristina: To get that machine to create more.

Jack: Life, if that's what it is. Yes. To get the Garden of Eden and Adam and Eve is what Jehovah of Dark wants. And Jesus just wants whatever Jehovah of Dark wants. Cuz f*** the sea people.

Cristina: Maybe. Yeah. I think we're getting closer.

Jack: We're getting closer to something.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Anyways, that's what I got.

Cristina: Interesting. Random.

Jack: All out of the curiosity of what the h*** is going on with that war that happened in the Middle east connects to adrenochrome. Everything does, because everything does Adrenochrome. Just in this one thing. We have Jesus, which connected us to adrenochrome. We have the sea people, and in the same breath, we have the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: The Iran Iraq war featured all three things. Very sparsely separated, but we've connected dots now. That kind of makes sense.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We have a fuller picture because of this war.

Cristina: That's awesome. There's gonna be other wars that will point us to.

Jack: Yes. This is probably not even the first one. This is just the one I looked at. Yeah, I said it's just the one I looked at the end. There must be other wars we've gotten involved that make absolutely no sense. Probably in the Middle East. There's a lot of wars in the Middle East.

Cristina: I guess we gotta go inspect 911 again. Yeah.

Jack: And we're all Afghanistan.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: There's things everywhere, man. A little bit of something. The Middle east is a hot spot for some dark s***.

Cristina: Yes, interesting.

Jack: Anyways, if you guys have any add ons, any ideas, any inputs you got, comments, questions, concerns, this is quite concerning. You can contact us at all our socials usconville Pod, that's Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, whatever.

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April 01, 2023

Rambling 220: The Sea People on Olympus

April 01, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

With most of the narrative of The Sea People uncovered and the truth behind Jesus Christ and the Catholic Church quickly being revealed it seems that the mystery of Atlantis and Unicorns is ultimately solved. Except the duo continue to be pestered by the feeling that The Sea People were actually hiding from something bigger and badder than they are. Today they continue trying to uncover what that might be!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Zoroastrianism
The Sea People
Persia
Mount Olympus
Pegasus Chimera
Mass Migration

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina. There's no way you can do that.

Jack: Voice throughout the whole episode, like a. Like a 1960s excited baseball announcer or commentator.

Cristina: Yeah. No way.

Jack: There goes Johnny. No, man. It couldn't be normal for people to speak like that there. That's weird.

Cristina: You think it wasn't? What if it was normal?

Jack: It couldn't have been. It could.

Cristina: No, it could happen.

Jack: No, there's a. There's a story behind that. I forgot what the h*** it was, but I know that it was 100% not normal. It was like rich people talk wealthy. We don't want to sound like the bezants, you know, so you sound like this high pretentious thing. I think maybe they were imitating a specific culture or something. I don't know. But I know that it was like, rich people talk.

Cristina: No way. Yeah, because then they would have kept that talk. Do they still do that? I hope not.

Jack: I mean, maybe.

Cristina: But then once the poor people see there is people talking like that, well, would it. Why wouldn't they just copy?

Jack: I mean, I guess what we're really looking at is the dissolving of language barriers and accents because of all the technology. So even how people sound is getting complex. Before, you could have just heard somebody's voice and you could tell, like pinpoint exactly where they're from because a region was so them. Just them, them, their people. Wherever you grew up was obvious because you didn't have access to everybody else in the world all the time. Anything that's going away, that's definitely dissolving as everybody has access to the Internet and they communicate way more. Eventually. The point, like, everybody's gonna be a single culture as everything gets super hyper duper mixed little by little, will continue to capture countries in a NATO like way, first with treaties for military action, and then have some sort of global United States, European Union equivalent. That's with all the countries in the world after we establish some sort of giant global government thing run by TikTok.

Cristina: Fear. That's the fear.

Jack: Oh, no.

Cristina: TikTok is gonna. Is. What is it? The Illuminati, I guess whoever the New World Order, whatever the name of the group is now it's TikTok. TikTok.

Jack: TikTok is running the world.

Cristina: It's Running the world. It's controlling my Google. It knows where I live.

Jack: It know. Oh my God, it's so ridiculous. TikTok guy.

Cristina: Poor TikTok guy.

Jack: It doesn't even make sense. Like they were so alien about how they were approaching that.

Cristina: Well. Yep. It's his fault for being tiny, I guess.

Jack: I guess. Right. Like how crazy was questions they were giving this guy. But I do think that culture is completely dissolving. It's disappearing little by little. The Internet is exaggerated. It is gonna definitely blow everything away. Weird things like TikTok where everybody gets to share everything unfiltered in every direction. Always crazy. That's. That's thing that's powerful. Facebook had. It was used by everybody. But it was sort of divided in a way where you're kind of exposed to your language's section. So if you're in it in English, you're gonna be exposed to English things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that's how you ultimately end up grouped in different.

Cristina: TikTok is very random.

Jack: TikTok seems to just be way more cross those lines where you can access different country stuff without even looking for it.

Cristina: Like, yeah, something from somewhere else will pop up.

Jack: Yeah. If you just like one thing over here, it's going to open the entire window of things in that direction.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: True.

Jack: Very different. And I think technology. I think technology is gonna do a great job of there. Look, it happens. What the technology destroys the world. It possibly did happen. I'm still twisting my mind over what it is technology wise that we're talking about that Jehovah was working with. I am certain that the reason behind population technology, that nobody invented population technology with the intention of population technology. I think they invented population technology as a byproduct of repopulation technology. I think some sort of tragedy might have actually happened. And this technology was originally conceived of in order to repopulate the earth. But then after that mission is accomplished, society is reestablished, everything is going nice and smooth. You use the technology for other things. It happens all the time. In World War II, you invent a bunch of horrible evil things that now are just like casual things you use that improve life one way or another.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So that's the same principle being applied here.

Cristina: Like they have other inventions besides the whole making people.

Jack: That the making people was to solve a problem and that the problem that that is trying to solve has already been solved.

Cristina: So there have other things.

Jack: So you repurpose it. And what do you repurpose it for? You have exorbitant technology. You have super advanced. Wait a minute.

Cristina: What, what, what? What?

Jack: The people who had this technology to begin with were the sea people, Right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So the sea people have the Garden of Eden population technology. Assuming it was originally made as repopulation technology to plug up some tragedy. Some tragedy must have happened. Could the flood have been that tragedy? Because we know that Atlantis sank, so did it? Did. The reason the evacuation happened in the first place wasn't to hide. Like. Yes. Go somewhere more hidden. Why not? But the move happened because the flood happened. But that doesn't make sense because Jesus and the flood don't coincide. No, but the move seems to be happening.

Cristina: But the flood happened and people were still alive and everywhere else. Like why would they need to repopulate a machine that repopulates?

Jack: So it had to be. But yeah, no, you're totally right because the flood was actually just a couple of thousand years ago, while the sea people are descendant of some people from a million years ago that were at their technological peak at that point. Yeah, so that's kind of crazy.

Cristina: I don't know. Why would they have it?

Jack: Why would they have that? Why would they. What kind of reason?

Cristina: Maybe they can't populate anymore. Maybe they can't have children.

Jack: Something happened in their genetic pool that went wrong.

Cristina: Yeah, they do a lot of weird genetic stuff. Unicorns, Pegasus. Maybe something went wrong.

Jack: Messing with their own genetic code to make themselves godlike.

Cristina: Yeah, they can live forever. I mean maybe that's how the whole unicorn magic came from. It's not really that anyone with alicorn is living forever. It's the people who hang out with unicorns look like they live forever because they probably might. They might because they have the tech to do so.

Jack: This is an interesting argument because this would bring up the idea that something like the Greek gods. Right. So this is what these sea people were seen as. They were seen as these colossal greater other people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You know, fascinating, intriguing part of the Persian territory, but their own way more futuristic thing. You'd had to cross all of Persia, all of Persia into the Persian Gulf to the head of the Persian Gulf. And that's where you'd come across the Persian Gulf oasis with these people that were bronze skin, perfect physique, God like highly advanced technologies beyond. You're living in a Hudson like stone palaces and crap like that. And these people are just men's over exaggerated futuristic technology. There had to be if something went wrong. Yeah, they mess themselves up in a way maybe because that's what would happen. Right. The. The idea of the grazes that they've. They don't need their bodies because technology has gone so far. So all they need is their minds to best optimize how they use said technology. So their heads get really big and their bodies get really small. Technology has destroyed them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So they end up relying on technology by default because they just got used to that way of life. This is normal. But if they didn't have it, that's a screwed gray.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That same idea would apply here. These are people who have modified their body, but something had to give. If you're continuously modifying content, so they sterilized the ability. Because look at it like this. You're looking for the most efficient way of being.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You program those parameters into a computer and it's going to give everybody that. Then everybody has the most efficient way of being.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now you've worked out differences. Genetically reproduction could not happen. It's too many similar things in everybody's DNA.

Cristina: Oh, it would be dangerous to do that.

Jack: It would be dangerous, yes.

Cristina: Well, dangerous in like, how? If we were to try, like siblings, try to have children.

Jack: Yes. You'd have that kind of a problem going on. There'd be. And these people who are the next generation would be of a smaller group of people. Anyways. You got to keep in mind that we're not talking about Persia as a whole. We're talking about just the Persian Gulf oasis. This is a city. City. That's it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To see people. We're so few.

Cristina: A city. I think that makes sense, though. What? So yeah. Maybe it's just populate themselves.

Jack: Yeah. To reproduce.

Cristina: Yeah. Instead of like because of some disaster. Like they dealt with disasters forever. Forever.

Jack: Yeah. There's nothing that got in their way. They survived whatever destroyed the Earth and led to the flood. They just moved. Actually, no, they just lived underwater, I suppose, because the Persian Gulf oasis was also claimed to be underwater for a period of time. Like it could just. Whether the stories included its ability to just go underwater, that's something that city was capable of. Now, I don't think the city was just opting into going underwater. I think the city was designed in such a way and the people were advanced in such a way that they somehow had some form of a protective barrier or something that allowed the tides to rise above their city and them to be protected.

Cristina: Yes. Like some. What you would imagine Atlantis in a. Or whatever.

Jack: The technology that they used, knowing that tides would rise, they developed it knowing the tides would rise so they wouldn't have to move. So they developed that with years knowing, oh, yeah. The tide around this time is gonna come, and our city is gonna be engulfed. But that's no problem. We'll have our best scientists work on it, and we'll get something working. They come up with the force field now they need to go hide because of whatever XY reason. And they're gonna go to Atlantis. They already have the technology. This wasn't a crazy, difficult, complicated thing to do.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They send some people, go and get things building. You got robots, make it build quick. Put a force field over it. We got a city. Let's go.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They already had it.

Cristina: They already had that technology.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: You think they can live forever or something?

Jack: I don't know if they can live forever, but I think when we're talking about the Greek gods, when we're talking about angels, I think all those times we've been talking about the same group of people, I think the gods of history, the truth of what lies in those narratives lies behind the sea people and who they might be. I think that's the reality of the matter, because of the fact that so many weird locations. So in its stories that sound so familiar to other things and narratives. The way these dots connect is ridiculous. From the mountain to the unicorns, to the salesman to the. The. The. The. The church involved in freaking everything. And how Jesus trails back to the same place.

Cristina: Like the Greek gods to any of this.

Jack: Well, when Persia was expanding its reach, there was an exact moment when they stopped in front of Greece and said, we go no further. Until a priest from the Persian religion of Zoroastra let me. I don't want to butcher this Zoroastrian.

Cristina: I think it has to be. I think it has to be butchered.

Jack: Yeah, it has to be. It's really complicated, their religion. A priest comes forward and explains that in that direction is the sacred passage to where the gods are. And he was talking about Olympus, Mount Olympus. To his people that didn't want to push forward into Greece, he's telling them, no. There is one objective that I need you guys to go this direction for.

Cristina: It's a reach.

Jack: We need to reach Mount Olympus, which.

Cristina: Could really be Mount.

Jack: No, it's Mount Olympus because Mount Olympus is where he knows to meet the sea people.

Cristina: So they hang out in Mount Olympus too. Are they just interested in mountains?

Jack: No, he had. He said the passageway to see them. He didn't say they're gonna chill up there. He had key words.

Cristina: They also chill on that other mountain. That's in Greece.

Jack: Yeah, Athos Athos?

Cristina: Yes. Are they just hanging out in a bunch of Greece mountains?

Jack: I think all the mountains are passageways.

Cristina: And the world or just Greece.

Jack: Not. Fair enough. There's something in all of these places. I'm assuming there's a shrine at the top of Athos that's working as some sort of gateway.

Cristina: Yeah, but is it all mountains?

Jack: I think so, but not necessarily. Because here's the commonality that's bugging me a little bit. There is a. So at the top of Mount Olympus is a church called the chapel of the prophet Elias.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: Doesn't mean anything significant other than the fact that there's a Catholic church at the top of Mount Athos. An orthodox church. Again, quite consistently now we have mentions. So this priest again from this.

Cristina: Okay, it's not every mountain, but it's any mountain that has a church on it.

Jack: There seems to be a consistency with the churches. There definitely seems to be a consistency with the churches. Churches in high places. There's something weird about that. And that again, what's a church in a high place? What's a mountain if not a pyramid? What's a pyramid if not a man made mountain? The fact that the pyramids got a little pointy thingy with a target and technology that says we can warp and like, you know, we're seeing sort of similarities here too. At churches and top of mountains. There's similarities happening.

Cristina: There is, there is.

Jack: I don't think that like it's. I don't know how to put it. I think that there is some form of teleportation happening for sure.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But I also believe that it's not just to their current location in an inaccessible depth of the ocean, protected by some force field and defended easily versus our ignorant primitive scanning technology. But it's also reaching outer space. So it's the same thing with these. There's somehow. Let's assume that there's something like this on a. On the moon.

Cristina: And they can go to the moon.

Jack: No, that there. Yeah, there's some structure on the moon on top of a mountain and that you could teleport. They send there and then they can bounce back to Earth. So that's the kind of satellite technology that would be happening.

Cristina: Okay, so they're going from one mountain to another.

Jack: But it happens instantly. Yeah, happens instantly.

Cristina: And if it's not a mountain, it's a pyramid.

Jack: Yeah. Because that pyramid is just a man made mountain. And there's probably efficient locations where some mountains were already located and where they weren't the pyramids went okay. Interesting.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: So Olympus is a church.

Jack: Olympus has a church on top.

Cristina: So they wanted to go to Greece, though, to take over.

Jack: They wanted to take over that place. The Persians wanted to take over that mountain.

Cristina: What makes Mount Olympic so special though? That it's where the gods are versus the other mountains.

Jack: It's a ridiculously tall mountain, I guess. I think it's the tallest mountain in Greece.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. But that's not even the tallest mountain in the world. This is a tall mountain.

Cristina: Yeah. Next to them.

Jack: Yeah. And the issue is that with the Persians struggling to get. Were they trying to capture it because they felt that the sea people were part of them or were they trying to capture. Because maybe they've been trying to get to the sea people who live on their lands.

Cristina: Probably that. And this they know that's the gateway.

Jack: That's a gateway. And they didn't even have a clue about Athos. But actually, fun fact.

Cristina: What?

Jack: This happened before the gateway to Athos was told to marry. Because this is happening in 800 and 480 BC. 480 BC. And Mary happened in 33 AD.

Cristina: BC. AD I don't know which is one.

Jack: Okay, so BC four. Okay. This happened 480 years ago. Okay, 80 years ago. I'm so stupid. This happened 480 years before the birth of Christ.

Cristina: Okay, yes, the mountain.

Jack: The mountain. Mount Olympus.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then Mary happened 33 years after the birth of Christ.

Cristina: Okay. So they had that on that mountain before Jesus.

Jack: They were trying to capture Olympus before Athos became of any significance. They just moved around Athos. It wasn't important yet. Or if it was. They weren't aware of it.

Cristina: They weren't aware of it. Yeah.

Jack: They went to Olympus instead.

Cristina: Did anything actually happen, though?

Jack: They pushed forward and conquered quite a lot, but I'm saying a lot in the amount of time it was four. Because then they were. They were being defeated by Alexander. They were just being pushed back farther. They couldn't hold it. And then they just. From that point forward, they started to collapse entirely. Now, let me stress how literally I am stating that once they started pushing in to capture the mountain, everyone else put on their greatest defense, but only at that moment. And that's how the Persian empire fell. I'll repeat, they were slowly taking over everything and beating everybody, incredibly easy. Taking over all the territories in the Middle East. The Persians were eating it all up. As soon as they made their move towards the mountain. Every country that they had taken over, including the people they were Surrounded by that they had not invaded, put on their greatest defenses and defeated the Pers Empire.

Cristina: With some help. With some help. I bet they might not know who helped them, but I think it's obvious who helped them.

Jack: Fascinating. No?

Cristina: Yes. Yes.

Jack: This is all historic fact, by the way. I'm giving you dates so you can go look. Anybody who doesn't believe this, you could just go online and look at the history. 480 BC. Tell me what happened.

Cristina: They had help. They just don't know it. Like they'll say like yeah, we did it. But like no, they had something that looked like magical help. More like advanced tech help.

Jack: They did. They just swiftly got wrecked. Swiftly. They swiftly got wrecked.

Cristina: They were fighting some Persians.

Jack: They were fighting. Yeah, they were fighting fellow Persians. They didn't know it.

Cristina: They just didn't know it. Exactly.

Jack: But. But le problem.

Cristina: What?

Jack: The sea people wouldn't help the Greek.

Cristina: Why? If that's their mountain, it's not like they're helping them do anything besides protect their own mountain.

Jack: Fair enough. Yeah, fair enough. So they're. So then the plan failed. If you can be reached. Right, and so here's my question. Here's my question. Not all of these work all the ways. Right. I'm just trying to comprehend the technology right now. And follow me on this little tangent. Was the reason that Mount Athos was of no concern because Mount Athos was irrelevant and that you couldn't send her to Mount Olympus because now that was useless because Mount Olympus directly connected to the Persian Gulf oasis while Mount Athos directly connects to Atlantis. They're direct shots.

Cristina: Right.

Jack: And there's a two point bounce from Cyprus to Athos and then you travel to the top of Athos after getting to the base of. So there is teleportation technology, but it's also short ranged. Then the pyramids are long ranged. That makes sense, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So you can just have a. Here. This place is directly, maybe not even directly connected, but it's not gonna take you off of Earth if you're just going to some sort of church place.

Cristina: But doesn't like everyone goes to exactly one location.

Jack: It seems to be the case as far as we can tell. I'm just making a guess on how this technology would work if we were to see it. And like. Yeah, because it's like one to one mentions the Persians are pushing forward to get to Mount Olympus. But Mary was told the gold amount to go to Mount Athos.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. I think that makes sense.

Jack: Now don't get me wrong. Mount Athos Is. I mean, it doesn't. If you were to bounce from Cyprus to anywhere, why would you make a whole other. Unless they're both accessible locations that still work. We just don't have two mentions of one place for the same thing.

Cristina: Two mentions?

Jack: Yeah, we don't have two mentions of these places working the same way. We just know that post Jesus death it's Atlantis and pre Jesus birth, it's Persian Gulf Oasis. And we know that pre Jesus we have this mention by the priest of that Persian ancient Iranian religion suggesting that Mount Olympus is the way to the sea people. Important information is that this priest also uses the term sea people. So the Persians, we're still in the.

Cristina: Sea of Persia or whatever.

Jack: Not just that, but the Egyptians are the ones to come up with this name. The Persians were the ones using it the same way when they were called Persia still and specifically during this period of time. And specifically this one priest, because he knew about them. He knew about them. He knew something that maybe the rest of them didn't. Or again, they could have been looking for these people that lived on their land for God knows how long. And they're like, how do we get to them? And then they dug.

Cristina: Somehow they knew. But how do you even get that information?

Jack: How do you get that information?

Cristina: That's strange.

Jack: And here is the crazy part. It fits the actual inscribed information that's on these buildings of the Mayans and the Egyptians. Like, it still fits the logic. And if it's a public records as well, it kind of all works. Except like, how did you guys get it? We know that the sea people directly told these people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: How did you guys know?

Cristina: I don't know his connect. He's in a religion. Religion people talk to each other. Yeah, I guess some wild party, they're like, hey, did you know about this mountain, man?

Jack: Is that what it is? I bet religion does kind of work like that, right? They have these conferences where they share the secrets and stuff.

Cristina: Who knows, there could be something like that happening. Interesting, because every religion seems to be covering up some weird thing that they don't want anyone else to know about.

Jack: Like, and so the. If this is the case and they're trying to ultimately discover something that's hidden by who? The Catholic Church? And what's at the top of the freaking mountain that they're trying to get to? Christian church, man. Yeah, it's always the case. It's always the case. And they're trying to get to. What? What are they doing? Trying to get to the people who are Protecting the passage.

Cristina: But when they were trying to do that, there was probably not a church there at that time.

Jack: Fascinating point.

Cristina: Because the churches were made after Jesus.

Jack: Yes. So then this access point must have been exposed somehow. It doesn't require a church, then.

Cristina: No, the church is just people protecting the secret.

Jack: Yes. Oh, it's kind of the gathering building. The church is a meeting place.

Cristina: Yeah. Like they all know about what's happening. They're probably not involved in what's happening. They get to know about it and they get to keep it a secret. A secret and protect it. Because knowing about it, I think, I guess, would be a big deal for them. Like, they're just happy to know.

Jack: So then what structure is up there? There's nothing out there. There's nothing up there. In 480, before Christ is born, there's nothing up there.

Cristina: Because their teleportation probably doesn't look like anything, because only they could probably use it, so.

Jack: So even if he got up there, it'd be useless.

Cristina: Yeah, it would be. Nothing there. Kind of like the. That on the other mountain. There's just Athos. It's just the. The top of that mountain is a. What is it? That no one could enter it. That area on top.

Jack: What sacred.

Cristina: The sacred area where they hid the Russian. Yes, the summit.

Jack: Yeah, the very top.

Cristina: There's nothing on that summit except for a Russian Bible there.

Jack: Yeah, there's Russian Bible and that Bible.

Cristina: Russian, yeah.

Jack: No, there's like two other things up there, but yeah.

Cristina: What? Whatever. But. Yes, you can't go on that.

Jack: But there's nothing there.

Cristina: There's nothing there. Exactly. Like, if you went on that, there would be nothing. Yeah, you need something else. Like even Mary needed something else when she went up there. She had her horse, which might help. And also all the stories involve the horses, so.

Jack: The horses.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Oh, crap.

Cristina: So you're not going there alone to quote, unquote, teleport?

Jack: Did Zeus come down on a horse? On a horse? If Zeus came down on a horse, then we know that the Greeks were actually talking about the sea people too. And that's why we'd never heard them specifically use the term sea people.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Still referred to the Greek gods as these ruthless, overpowered beings, but also that they could kill each other. So they were mortal? They were mortal. They were just gods compared to us. Does that sound familiar? That sounds like the sea people. They're just mortals, but they're gods compared to us.

Cristina: It's not just him riding a horse. They all rode Horses. There was a stable, there's a massive stable on Mount Olympus of Pegasus, of.

Jack: Oh my God, you're kidding me.

Cristina: That's where they keep their flying horses on Mount Olympus. Although they talked about seeing them on Mount Athos because that's how they travel.

Jack: That's how they travel.

Cristina: But there are no horses there. You gotta go there with the horse and you gotta leave with the horse.

Jack: Yes. Interesting, interesting, interesting. So the man. Okay, assuming that the. The unicorn is really just a genetically modified shire horse with goat like behave, mountain goat like behavior, allowing it to just scale a mountain with a person on its back effortlessly. We have to assume that a Pegasus is also just some sort of miracle of genetic engineering. And they truly have a horse with extremely light bone density that allows a pair of ginormous wings to legitimately let itself lift up itself off the ground. And that's how these people who've also modified themselves to be nearly.

Cristina: Or maybe the wings are more for show.

Jack: You think it's still a unicorn magic thing? Like, I guess the wings magic.

Cristina: Not magic, but like, maybe they travel like the unicorns. They're like made like mountain goats. Like they can travel on locations that other things can't travel like goats, because that's such a great example. But the wings don't make them actually fly because that would be crazy. Like you never hear about stories of look at that horse in the sky or anything.

Jack: But also they would be the only people with them. And those horses aren't going out randomly.

Cristina: No, but it's still like us. Like having a poodle. A horse with wings would be like having a poodle. It's just a very fancy horse.

Jack: It's a fancy unicorn.

Cristina: Fancy unicorn, yes. It's even fancier looking. Yeah, that's what I think. Because there are no stories of these things flying. They're just, they're there.

Jack: Well, the stories of Mount Athos are actually. No, you're right, they're there.

Cristina: They're just up there.

Jack: They never saw them fly in with the pegasus. No, they would just be there with the pegasus.

Cristina: Yes. There's no true story about these flying horses flying.

Jack: Fascinating point that I did not notice before. They're always just kind of walking around. They're already stationary by the time they're seen.

Cristina: Yeah, always. Always. These are just horses.

Jack: Yeah, they're just weird looking horses.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, that's what I think. I think that makes sense.

Jack: So then there's still a portal of some sort of.

Cristina: Yes. Maybe do it still.

Jack: Because they're not literally flying on to anything. No, there must still be. Then why do they need the freaking horse?

Cristina: I guess to travel the world? Because, like, everyone uses something to travel on this side. Like, maybe they don't. Like, that's what they use to travel here once they're here to visit and hang out on the normal Earth side of things. Yeah. Like they're not gonna drive around a car when everyone's riding horses. They're gonna have their fancy horse.

Jack: Interesting. Yeah, I suppose. So they adapt it accordingly.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they know people walking around on horses. So they just get the coolest, best looking horses.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: They got unicorns and Pegasus.

Cristina: It's just like this is the coolest horse.

Jack: Yeah. Because they're the best people. And so everybody sees the gods with these things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: While now they just probably have some overpowered car and we're just like, wow.

Cristina: Look at that spaceship.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Like maybe they're just among us and we don't know. Right.

Cristina: Yeah. Because it just looks more futuristic than us. Because they have that.

Jack: Yeah. Cooler and more unique. Just overall better.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: All the stats better. We're like, wow, man. I don't even know how he could afford to make that. It must be infinity money. And really, like, money isn't a concept he worries about.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Because he has some Replicators. He just pumped this out of one shot.

Cristina: Because who knows, maybe they had cars with the crazy technology they had a million years ago.

Jack: They were so far beyond what we consider transportation.

Cristina: So if they're going to travel around normal people, they know what we're doing. Why would they?

Jack: My question is, how are they still even interact? There's no. Look at this.

Cristina: Just.

Jack: Just think about what I'm about to say. A million years ago, they were. They were super futuristic. Only 2000 years ago did the Jesus times happen. So basically, still a million years back from that point, these people were so ridiculously advanced that it would look like magic to us right now.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they've had a million years since then to advance themselves to then get to the time of 480 BC when some random dude somehow found out about them and he went ahead and decided to go try to take over Mount Olympus. And then effortlessly was abused and the empire destroyed.

Cristina: Yes. They made it look like magic.

Jack: They made it look like magic. It was just like a swift rape that just. Oof. You're not getting it.

Cristina: They didn't make it look like magic. They made it so natural. No one questioned.

Jack: No one questioned that. It just looked like my enemies got.

Cristina: Intelligent and better yeah, but no, they're that out of runs. They can make it look like anything.

Jack: They just turned the tide. The second that they made a move for the mountain, they were winning every battle, man.

Cristina: This is.

Jack: This is crazy. They were winning every single battle. There was no defeat. They were the Persian Empire pressing into the everything. They were everything, all of it. The Middle east was theirs. And then they tried to make a single move into Greece towards Mount Olympus and lost the first battle. Couple of days later, lost the second one. Couple of days later, lost the next one. Before long it took maybe two, three years and they were starting to lose territory in general, entire countries being reclaimed. What? Are you kidding me?

Cristina: I mean it's so natural looking. That's pretty advanced.

Jack: That's crazy. So there's some nuts defense going on. Yeah, there's something on Mount Olympus being protected for sure. It's some sort of a stable or maybe not even. No, just another location.

Cristina: It's just the story is the stable where God's Pegasus are hanging out on that mountain.

Jack: But there's two different stories that line up perfectly. Mount Athos and mount. Now my question is, are there other religions with these stories of mountains and the gods coming down from there? And I have a very interesting other example of this being the case from very long ago.

Cristina: They're all very long ago.

Jack: Now this we're talking maybe a couple of thousand years before climbing that mountain. Yes. To talk to who?

Cristina: God. See the meeting point.

Jack: Mm.

Cristina: Also, Odin I don't think hangs out on a mountain, but he does ride a horse.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting.

Cristina: And it's a huge horse. It's also Loki's child, but.

Jack: Whoa. He rides his grandson.

Cristina: Yes, yes. That's a weird story. I love it. Loki turned into a horse.

Jack: That's bomb.

Cristina: To have sex with a horse. A male horse is beautiful. And then he gave birth to this giant horse that is now Odin's horse.

Jack: Yes. Fantastic.

Cristina: How can you beat these stories?

Jack: This is crazy.

Cristina: Why isn't more people Norse? Like their stories are amazing.

Jack: The Nordic people had some nut stories.

Cristina: Yes. But whatever. The God has the horse. That's special.

Jack: Yes. Yeah, I guess in times when the planet was on horses, it was just. It made more sense to blend in as hard as possible. And also stand out.

Cristina: Exactly. Still stand out because I think it had like six legs or something. Like it was something else that made it unique.

Jack: But also they're showing off to other.

Cristina: Yes, other. Yeah. Like if no one else is riding around a six legged horse. Look at me.

Jack: Now in these instances it looks like we're talking about scenarios where people are. These. These quote, gods, unquote, are more or less the same power level. Let's say it seems in all scenarios, every religion has a more or less. You have the big Kahuna God and then you have the smaller gods. In Christianity, we call those the angels. But it's the same concept. These overpowered, perfect beings.

Cristina: Like, their power level isn't even, like that much lower either.

Jack: Yeah, it's all equal.

Cristina: It's all. Yeah, I mean, it's all above us. So it all is equal in that way. Like how much higher they are from us.

Jack: Yeah. But they're equal to each other in seemingly every aspect. Like all the angels and all the gods of Norse mythology and all the gods of Greek mythology. I think they, in clean fights would even out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And I think that's because we're talking about the same people. I think we're talking about the same people with the same level of technological advancement. And that's why we see the similarities with these things, mountains and horses and stuff like that.

Cristina: Yeah, that's cool.

Jack: Christians have the same story, but so do the Greek. They have the same story. The mountain.

Cristina: There's always a mountain.

Jack: There's always a mountain. The mountain is how you get to the sea people. The sea people don't live on the mountain. That's just how you get to the.

Cristina: Sea people or you see the people.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Because you don't really get to the sea people. They come to you.

Jack: They come to you. That's actually quite literally expressed with Mount Athos, that whole narrative.

Cristina: Yes. They come to you through the mountain.

Jack: Yes. But you can't get to them.

Cristina: Yes. Except for Mary.

Jack: Yes. And there's a very heavenly idea behind that. Right. That does feel like, oh, wow. They come down from a place that doesn't exist in our plane. And like, it totally does. Somewhere still a partition technology. But it looks like what they just showed up from nowhere. The peak of the mountain, the summit.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They come down from the heavens to us. Yeah, that's. I can see how these narratives came into being.

Cristina: Yes, I can see it. Oh, so good you figured that out. That's interesting.

Jack: Yeah. So the gods of history are just these really advanced. We always thought they were aliens.

Cristina: Humans with fancy pets.

Jack: Yes, Fancy pets. Because of fancy tech.

Cristina: Yes. Yes.

Jack: And they're showing off to each other. Some of them live over here, some of them live over there. All of this is happening before they have to go and disappear.

Jack: They go move together. They go Live together.

Cristina: That's what you think.

Jack: I mean, where are they now?

Cristina: Like, are they all in that one location or could there be other locations?

Jack: Well, there would have to be locations where they would not be interacted by us. But I suppose if you could just hide your cities, there's probably a bunch of places. Yeah, we're just talking about the one.

Cristina: That we know about, the one that's very heavily protected.

Jack: Yes. But there's probably others. Maybe that's where the concept of Wakanda comes from. Maybe that's based on the idea, the principle of, like. Yes. Chances are that these people have gone to other places, built society, and protected themselves the same way. If you could protect yourself from the pressure of the entire ocean on you, you could definitely create a nice little light trick to seem invisible.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like you could disappear in plain sight. They're probably everywhere.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Again, it comes back to the question that if. If I spoke to an ant, would it know I'm trying to talk to it, and if it did, would I know? It answered like, they are not bothered by us and we are not capable of bothering them.

Cristina: Yes. There's no way. There's just one city of people that.

Jack: Are advanced unless they can't reproduce.

Cristina: But even if they can't reproduce, they'd make more of themselves because they need to.

Jack: Would they, though? The question is, if you're a God, would you want more of you or would you want more of that just for you? I don't know if they're just people. Also, we don't know this for a fact. The one detail of we don't know what other creatures emotions would be like our emotions entirely based on how we evolved. Maybe they feel things that we don't have any concept of and vice versa.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So this is all just basing it on our human beliefs and emotions that they would be the same, but they took a different route and got there in a different way, and they were part of a different lineage. What were you gonna say?

Cristina: That they also didn't treat us like ants either. At least not to the Egyptians or the Mayans. They saw they can get something from.

Jack: And many other civilizations that seem to just collapse under the weight of the technology given to them.

Cristina: Yeah. So it's not the same.

Jack: No, they were. They were trying to share something too far ahead for people not ready.

Cristina: Although some people were, which I think some people were. Happened, and now they're not around. But I don't think it's because they died off or anything.

Jack: Yeah, I think it was Intentional. I think there's volunteer work happening. I think that maybe the Mayans, again, they could have joined the Sea people. Maybe the Mayans are part of the Sea people now. Maybe the Egyptians are part of the Sea people now. Maybe the Sea people are the new Persian Empire and they exist in some place where you can't conceive of, but it's around us somehow. Yeah, that could be the case. And the narratives that we see written left behind through hieroglyphs and piecing together public records that cross reference these things in the right way to build a story, all of that is an incomplete image of what's really going on.

Cristina: Because we don't know any. We don't know what's going on.

Jack: We don't know.

Cristina: And they cut off the story wherever they wanted to.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. They. These true or not even true, these events that took place of them leaving. We could just misinterpret what they have. It's. We're working with what we have. And there's no way that story could be perfect.

Cristina: No.

Jack: We can tighten it and get it more accurate and use the evidence to build a more perfect image. But again, there's still holes and questions we do not have. It still seems like there's something they were hiding from.

Cristina: Yeah, but was there? I don't know.

Jack: But was there?

Jack: There be nothing they would need to hide from because they're super overpowered. It could have just been a privacy thing. We're tired. But like you changed 100%. You were sharing and then you were like, nah. And there's no way we're catching up. You can keep us in check forever.

Cristina: Mm So incomplete. But.

Jack: And maybe there were other creatures of equal technology that were coming. And that's where we include the concept of the shadow realm. That maybe there was something coming through. But then that creates quite an issue because we will have some real narrative discrepancies if that were to happen. Because are the Catholic Churches the ones summoning the creatures using the shadow realms or are.

Cristina: Yeah, that does really complicate things if they're doing both.

Jack: Yeah, it wouldn't make sense because the Catholic Church was established in order to protect the narrative of Jesus and write it the correct way and in order to suppress the knowledge of the sea people. So with that in mind, that wouldn't make any sense for the original things we thought about the Catholic Church being there being some corrupt group of people doing this. But there are other groups of people. It's not just the Catholic Church that creates the Knights Templar. But there's also the people from the library. What are they called?

Cristina: The Masons people, The Freemasons.

Jack: That's a whole other group. An entire other group. A secret society with an entirely different basis. A player we don't normally talk about, but another group that has a lot of information.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And they've. They go back through time as well. Now it's weird that all these other things we're talking about cross each other. And one of the things that we know interacts with all these other things never comes up. Which is in the Freemasons, which is an interesting idea because that just means that they're the best at hiding.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because they don't seem to cross any of these paths.

Cristina: Mm. If they do, we wouldn't know. Okay.

Jack: Yeah, but we know they do, because that's the whole point. They're interacting with a lot of the same subject matter. But when we're looking at this information, we don't find that. You have to be looking specifically for the Freemasons to find anything about the Freemasons. They seem to keep them themselves well hidden. Yeah, that's something to look into. We can definitely look into that in the future. Now we're talking about the sea people and how. Okay, so these pyramid like structures, these mountain like things, all forms of transportation they got. Are they still in the Persian Gulf oasis too then? That's the problem. Right. There's a lot of issues because they did move the Garden of Eden. But that doesn't mean that the people entirely evacuated the Persian Gulf oasis. And their technology should be too advanced for anybody to get to them. What are they hiding from? It's hiding. Dude, I don't care what anybody tells me they're hiding.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: It doesn't make sense. You have nothing to fear. Unless something as big and bad as you, you have detected.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And you're. Or bigger and better.

Cristina: What is bigger and better than them? Unless it is some relates to. What's it called? The other side?

Jack: The Shadow Realm.

Cristina: The Shadow Realm?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That's too random.

Jack: Or is there something else in space?

Cristina: In space?

Jack: Yeah. Like a different civilization that's even more advanced.

Cristina: But I hide from one spot on Earth to another spot on Earth from something in space.

Jack: I don't know. Right. And why would you think you can hide if it's that much more advanced?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's some huge giant piece missing. Yes. What was the real point? What was the real point? Yes. Maybe these people aren't hiding. The Egyptians did go out and the Mayans did create a storage bank. And then the sea people only hid the technology and they're protecting it and they're amongst us. But then why does it still feel like you guys are hiding? Why does it feel like you guys are hiding? Why is the hiding? It feels like hiding. I don't care. It feels like hiding.

Cristina: It feels like hiding. I don't know there.

Jack: It doesn't feel like, oh yeah, we're all. No, you went from trying to help everybody all the time. Do not at all to no, f*** this. We're gonna go to the deepest, darkest place we could find. Tell everybody to get rid of anything about us. Create an entire group dedicated to erasing our existence. Like, that doesn't sound like not hiding. But what could be the big boogeyman. It doesn't make sense that they would hide. But we're looking at it from our perspective of like, wow, they're so advanced. What could mess with them? But like, whatever. They're scared of Jesus.

Cristina: Obviously they're afraid of Jesus.

Jack: Why are they afraid of Jesus?

Cristina: I don't know. They all started. They hide. They wanted to hide their location.

Jack: We know that Jesus had one problem that is just a big issue.

Cristina: That he can share that location that they're in.

Jack: Because shared the location. He doesn't know the location. So that nobody. He never had a vision about it.

Cristina: Yes, and that's why it's perfect to hide from him.

Jack: Yes, but what are they hiding from?

Cristina: What if they're hiding from him?

Jack: Why are they hiding from him? Oh, because they've always successful. No, but who would even find them if they can successfully? Nobody's ever seen the place. What would him having visions about it though?

Cristina: What if he's after the place?

Jack: For what?

Cristina: I don't know. What if the Catholic Church is this. What if our first idea was right too? What if they are monster hunters in that they need the blood of these things and all that stuff. All that is right. And they're working for Jesus. And Jesus knows about their spots and that's why he has them on the mountains, just in case they ever pop up. He wants to, you know, get there, but he can't get there because he has all these churches there just waiting for them.

Jack: Interesting, interesting, interesting. Interesting point you've got here. Interesting point you've got here. Allow me to paint you a picture based on the picture you've painted me. The child is born. The child who's been having visions. Who's been sending visions through time and through space. They've been telling people about where he is and where he's gonna be. These people know eventually this child's gonna be born. Somehow, through their awesome tech, they find out. And they're like you, who is suddenly pregnant. You're definitely that lady. So you. Who fits the profile of the visions, you gotta go. But you also know this. So you're not. We're not exiling you the way that the things say. That was misinterpretation. You have chosen to protect us too. You're one of us.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We're gonna send you out. We're gonna send you out with some people called the Maji. You're not gonna know exactly who's who, but we assure you, you're good. Anyways, he's your escort, Joseph. Toodles. Now the Magi are watching. Interesting point to make here. There's the Orthodox Church and there is the Catholic Church. Both of those churches function in almost identical. Identical manner, with the exception. With the one main exception, that the Orthodox Church aims towards the original passages of the Old Testament, but believes in the New Testament, while the Catholic Church believes exclusively in the New Testament. This is the possibility that the Orthodox Church was taken over by Jesus Christ in order to continue pushing his narrative in his way. Or. No, it wouldn't make sense. It wouldn't make sense because there's only one new movement, and that's the Catholic Church. Or I guess. No, it's Christianity. And. No, but they're both. Even the Orthodox Church is Christian.

Cristina: Exactly. All of them happened because of him.

Jack: Yeah, but if he dies at 33.

Cristina: Right, but not really.

Jack: But not really. But as far as the story matters, he dies at 33.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we have Church, Catholic Church, and we have regular Christian. Other. Other branches of Christianity. The Catholic Church came a hundred years later. Okay, so then the Catholic Church. Well, the Christian Church was established, and then the Pope was created. Was it Catholic? Yeah, I think it was a Christian Church.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, so Christian Church was established and Pope was decided on. And which was Paul. And so these people are gonna fix the narrative. That's Christianity. Yes, that's Christianity. Catholicism. The Knights Templar is also Christianity. Jesus isn't tampering with any of that.

Cristina: How do you know he's not leading the way?

Jack: Because it doesn't seem that they're the ones trying to. So there must be two versions of this that's happening. There must be a version of the Catholic Church that's trying to get to. Or not the Catholic Church, but some variant of Christianity is trying to get to. To the location of the sea people. And there must be a version of the Christian church that's trying to protect the location of the sea people. And the people who are protecting the sea people are also trying to correct the narrative of Jesus so that he is just a man. So he's a son of God or whatever. While the one who is trying to reach the sea people must be fully aware of technology. We're so we're looking at it differently. It must be some mega billionaire trying to get to some location that he shouldn't be trying to reach. It has to be like Elon Musk or something. That would more likely be Jesus because he's fully aware that it's tech.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It wouldn't look like a religion. It would look like. Nah, screw that. I'm getting to no matter what. Why would he care if the goal is getting there? He knows his technology. You guys are creating religion.

Cristina: But he's not gonna tell people why.

Jack: He needs them to fight. Well, no, he would lean on technology.

Cristina: He's using his own tech. That looks like magic. Why would he tell them that? Oh, this is.

Jack: Yeah, because right now it would still. I'm thinking he would look like some of our people, but that doesn't make sense. He's too advanced. So we're not even seeing this happen. This couldn't be something we could conceive of. They're too advanced for us. Yeah, except they were trading with people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's something we're not getting here.

Cristina: Well, when they were trading with people. Yeah. I don't know. No, I don't know.

Jack: There's something we don't understand about the sea people. I do feel there's something they're hiding from. The information almost tries to tell us secretly what it is. No. That they're trying to hide. The way it's all worded and expressed.

Cristina: It's like, what? Who? Why?

Jack: Yeah, like what is it you're running from? No, it isn't expressed because nobody's saying you're running. They're like, you know, they, they. They went to hiding.

Cristina: They didn't say they went to hiding. I thought.

Jack: Well, not literally.

Cristina: No. They just said they move.

Jack: Yeah, it was a mass migration. Yeah, a mass. The mass migration took place. But why? And then to where you went? What? Dude, this was. No, there's no way this was easier. Yes. You got the tech to do it. There's no way it was easier than just doing it in some other dirt pile. Do it in the jungle. Still easier than under the ocean.

Cristina: They were already under the ocean to go somewhere else under the ocean. That makes sense.

Jack: No, not unless you're teleporting your city as a whole.

Cristina: I guess that makes sense.

Jack: You know, unless that's literally what happened. It was definitely easier to just go.

Cristina: Make another mountain and maybe they teleported the whole city. They're a thousand years advanced or whatever.

Jack: They could have moved the whole city.

Cristina: So many years advanced, but in that.

Jack: Case, it would be impossible to find. And what we're talking about when we're talking about the Bermuda Triangle, we're really talking about some super mega awesome teleportation device. As opposed to them being directly down there. That's just one of the places they could be. And this place allows them to move underneath the ocean. Teleporting from ocean to ocean to ocean anywhere they want. Oh, maybe so uncatchable. Unfindable.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that people disappear around the Bermuda Triangle because you're getting sucked into this problem and popping up different places underwater. A plane that's flying and it's just.

Cristina: Maybe I didn't know that that thing would happen when they did that. Such a giant.

Jack: Fair enough.

Cristina: Teleport.

Jack: Yeah. I think it wasn't intentional.

Cristina: Yeah, like it just. Oops. It just caused this weird glitch.

Jack: Yeah, just send this plane that was, you know, flying over some island, sent it straight into the bottom of the ocean.

Cristina: Like they didn't know that triangle was going to form above them. It just happened. This accidental. The math.

Jack: Oh, you mean the Bermuda Triangle just happened by chance? Yeah, No, I didn't.

Cristina: Not by chance. Like. Yeah, because the technology was. Even though as they're advanced, the math might have not shown that, like, oh, if something goes wrong, this is gonna. Ha. This is the.

Jack: No, no, I think because the triangle fits the triangular shape we see with pyramids, it definitely fits whatever tech that we're already using. So I'm thinking definitely, definitely that the shape we see of the triangle that we map out is intentional. I think the shape is intentional because it's part of whatever design allows them to teleport. And that's why it's such a large area. Everything else is a pyramid. It's roughly the size of a couple of blocks. This is the size of small countries.

Cristina: Yeah. That means we're not dealing with just a city.

Jack: No, we're talking. I mean, the city is just at the center point, presumably, but it could be the entire bottom of that. And think about the size of that colossal freaking civilization.

Cristina: Yeah. Maybe.

Jack: Maybe there's more than just the little group of people. We thought maybe there's an entire country down there.

Cristina: Yeah. And that's what's happening when it was in the Gulf. But once they moved, it became a country.

Jack: Atlantis. The country, not the city. It's not the city of Atlantis. It's the country of Atlantis.

Cristina: That makes more sense. Why would it be so advanced and just have a city? I don't know.

Jack: And that explains why it's such a large portion of the area underwater and why so far out to the edge is where you start seeing these structures.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: That makes a lot of sense. Interesting. Anyways, we're way out of time. Look, I think we. I'm gonna look into this religion and how they found about. Out about the mountain.

Cristina: The Persian.

Jack: Yeah, Persian religious priests from Zora, Zorro, astrianism, Zoroastrianism. Yeah. And how he found out about the people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Also, were the people of the Persian Gulf always in the Persian Gulf? As far as our records go?

Cristina: Oh, they migrated.

Jack: Or if they migrated there from somewhere else.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh, we're gonna find out. They came, I don't know, Russia somewhere else.

Jack: That's an interesting thing. I was just thinking about. These are things we got to find out. I'm also going to try to see how this mountain Olympus relates to Mount Athos. If there's any connection at all other than the obvious ones we've established. Because this narrative continues to thicken.

Cristina: Let's see if anything Norse has to do with anything.

Jack: Yes, Norse to see. Oh, interesting. Because that would tell us about the. Definitely looking through Pegasus. That seems to be really important. The gods on Pegasus going to mountains with that later gonna. And whether those mountains later have a Catholic church on them. Things that we need to know.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Also, the way that this priest described it. I wish I had his name. I'll bring his name next time. The way that the priest described it is he said that there's a realm at the summit to access. There's a way to the realm that accesses the gods. The gods?

Cristina: How dare you not say that before?

Jack: Well, not the gods. The sea people.

Cristina: The sea people. I don't understand. But he didn't think it was the gods. But he thought it was a gods.

Jack: He knew that there was a way. Yeah, I guess so. He knew there was a way through to them through there. But he did use the word realm specifically.

Cristina: That makes it feel like they're somehow related to the other side. But they can't be.

Jack: No, they can't. Be. I don't. You gotta understand that that's just one of the realms. The shadow Realm is one of the realms. There are many realms. It's like dimensions. There are many different dimensions.

Cristina: So one realm might be of the sea people.

Jack: Well, I think he might have been using this word incorrectly.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because they had no conceptualization. I think there's a pocket dimension. I think it's a space bubble that they're going in through and that maybe it's. Can you imagine? They make a hall, a room filled with doors. And one door goes to Mount Olympus. And then you go in through the door on Mount Olympus side and takes you to a room with doors. And then there's one that just says Atlantis and you just go through the door. I think that's the idea. There's a pocket dimension that they go through that shortens the distance between everywhere.

Cristina: Is that how it works though, with the other. The other world or whatever?

Jack: With the Shadow Realm?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The Shadow Realm is a weird amalgamation. Yeah.

Cristina: So it depends on pockets.

Jack: No. Did they. It's weird because we're all. We're more connected to that on a frequency type of thing because they use something from our side in order to phase into our existence as opposed to cross some threshold.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So they're present. We're all present on both sides. But we're predominantly over here and they're predominantly over there. But that doesn't mean they're not over here. We're not over there. They can see versions of us walking over there. We can see versions of them walking over here, which is. They reinforce to come over here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then adrenochrome more solidifies us over there. And then when we cross, we can come back.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Weird things. Anyways, we're totally out of time. We have things to look into. Very important things. And this narrative does successfully keep moving forward. I wonder how exactly this is gonna play out, because I know that. I think we're closer to a country and that. That makes sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that there's probably. If there is a case, that there's probably evidence. That's my guess.

Cristina: Me too. Yeah. I think Jesus is the enemy. I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: All this possible. As a closing statement, I believe that. That based on what you said, his exile then gives him the swamp for revenge. And he's fully aware and capable of accessing the technologies. Or maybe he's. Why would he. Right. You'd need to also inhibit his ability to get to you. Because if you could if you just gave him all the tools to get to you. That doesn't make sense.

Cristina: They didn't give him the tools.

Jack: No, exactly. So he doesn't have the tech.

Cristina: No, he doesn't have. But he does have tech. He doesn't have their tech.

Jack: He doesn't have necessarily any tech. He has human tech, but Adrenochrome. Well, exactly. That would be how this plays out. Adrenochrome becomes his way to figure this out. He starts messing with his own. Because, again, it's not about technology.

Cristina: That they can see into this world, though.

Jack: Who.

Cristina: If Jesus can go into the Shadow Realm. The Shadow Realm.

Jack: Yes, exactly. Because he could. He was basically trying to figure out how his people have this teleportation technology. And what he stumbles upon is nothing like what they figured out. Because to him, it looks like magic because he's never seen the technology. So he thought powers and he has this crazy level of intellect. And this is how he becomes the first vampire. He looks through time, through history, sees a pattern with blood that maybe everybody else didn't piece together. Uses brains. Pieces together. Take the thing. Adrenochrome happens, but it's just his quest. Trying to get and figure it out. It's a game of the movie Prestiged.

Cristina: The Prestige.

Jack: Where he doesn't get the trick.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And he came up with.

Cristina: He gets so obsessed with it. Yes. That he.

Jack: He figured it out. It wasn't the same solution. No, but he did the same trick and better.

Cristina: Better? Like, question about better. I don't know. But yes, it's the same thing. He's the same character. He is that guy with.

Jack: Yeah. He's trying to figure it out and stumbles upon some whole other thing. His obsession takes him somewhere else entirely.

Cristina: Somewhere darker. So much darker. Okay.

Jack: Obsession drives him. He knows he comes from somewhere unique. He swears it.

Cristina: Yep. Well, he knows it. He knows he is unique.

Jack: And people told him directly. The Manji approached him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They told him they couldn't show him. We cannot. This is why we cannot.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But then he has answers he's always thought of.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And he's like, why am I special? And they finally tell him, and then they tell him that because of this, we cast you just. You. You're not allowed. Sorry, bro. Sorry. And then he's like, nah, f*** that.

Cristina: Yeah, they probably weren't.

Jack: They weren't rude about it, but it was like.

Cristina: I mean, like, they probably couldn't see that he would find a way. Like, they probably didn't think he'd become a vampire and live forever and try to hunt them down. Yeah, like, that's kind of crazy. No one expects that.

Jack: Yeah, nobody expects that.

Cristina: That's totally not matter how advanced you are. That's kind of crazy.

Jack: And that's why his way of transforming with adrenochrome is so much more overpowered than the rest of us. We take adrenochrome, we're just a vampire. No, he's a super mega duper vampire. He's some other thing.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Is because he's also like, really? His race is some other thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Anyways, Topics for the future.

Cristina: Yes. Yes.

Jack: Anyway, if you guys want to contact us, if you guys want to talk to us, reach out to us on all the social platforms, you can find us at just convopod on Tick Tock, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, wherever.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe. Right. And review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth. Tell people about us, about the show, about all the awesome details that are coming at you with supersonic speed.

Cristina: And if you didn't know, this has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. It's not a thing that couldn't happen. We're opinionated preachers, so you shouldn't be surprised when the Jewish father's like, I'm not going anywhere. I'm not contributing to this. I have worked for what I earn and you're not having it. I don't care that you want a communistic thing where nobody earns and we're all equal. Suck it. No.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

July 09, 2022

Rambling 183: Imitating Humans

July 09, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

Are any of our idea original? Are humans the only creature with death rituals? How did the three kinds meetup and carpool to the Baby Jesus Cult? The duo sit back and casually discuss the current most pressing issues in the world, imitating humans with artificial intelligence and solving some paradoxes in Christianity.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Original Ideas
Addiction to Phones
Anxiety About Phone Calls
Human-like Artificial Intelligence
Animals Mourning Death
Magic Baby Worship
The Three Kings
Humans Devolve Around Celebrities
Hive Mentality

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Cristina: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

Cristina: This is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas.

Jack: And so we will do that today.

Cristina: I can't wait.

Jack: Because that's what we do.

Cristina: That's what we do. What is the baffling ideas?

Jack: Everything is the baffling idea.

Cristina: Everything.

Jack: Everything. That's how reality works. It's just a matter of finding. There was a. Who was the guy? Some dude. A smart, smarty pants man. One of the many smarty pants men of time.

Cristina: Is he a Dr. Smarty Pants?

Jack: Yeah, he was. He was probably a Dr. Smarty Pants. It's usually a Dr. Smarty Pants, right?

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: Dr. Smartypants. And he said that if you believe, you understand it, you don't know anything. If. No, if you believe it makes sense. There you go. If you believe it makes sense, you don't know anything, or you don't know it well enough or something along those lines, like, the more you know it, the more irrational it should feel.

Cristina: Okay, that sounds familiar.

Jack: Yeah. And that general logic kind of applies.

Cristina: To life or to the show.

Jack: Yeah. To ideas in general. Everything should baffle you. You should dig so deep into basically anything that you're like, what the f***?

Cristina: How did we get here?

Jack: How did we get here?

Cristina: Yeah, that.

Jack: That's all. The ideas are baffling.

Cristina: It is. Really is.

Jack: Yeah. Isn't that weird that playing the game in which you just ask why a million times to whatever somebody says eventually always leads to a very confusing, like, I don't really know. Like if you follow any thoughts make.

Cristina: Sense that they wouldn't know because a lot of ideas just come from other people. Yeah, it's all hand me down ideas.

Jack: Yeah, almost. We're all just made up of hand me down ideas.

Cristina: Yes, all of it. I don't know. Does anyone have an original idea?

Jack: I don't. I mean, every idea you come up with was made by your brain, but your brain follows patterns and it usually leans into the safest. Right out. And it usually uses collected information. So anything you know, it will apply and then it'll use that to create the shortcut. And the shortcut is usually an idea somebody else had because they initially had the shortcut that your brain is going to be like, yes, that looks like it'll work.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So it's your idea, but it's not Your idea simultaneously.

Cristina: What's the point? I don't understand. I mean, I guess it doesn't hurt, does it? Like, if you lie to your child that there's a Santa Claus, what's that for? What's the benefit? What's the loss? Is it more bad or is it more a good thing because your child is happy? Like, does it matter?

Jack: I don't know. I don't. I don't know. I don't know. And then in that. In the scenario, in that very scenario, that's like a weird one, right? Because you're ruining these people, presumably.

Cristina: Are you?

Jack: I don't know. That's basically just aiming towards them because we need to follow somebody, right? And be like, okay, your parents lied to you. I gotta study you for the rest of your life and see how this affects you as a person. Unless I can predict how you're gonna be in the future accurately. I have a future prediction machine, or I guess a type, the quantum computer.

Cristina: But what if it, like, doesn't affect them at all? Maybe they have happier lives than the person who wasn' lied to and was like, there's no Santa Claus, you get no gifts.

Jack: Then parents who don't lie to their kids about Santa Claus should be punished.

Cristina: What?

Jack: No, from that point forward, because you can prove that the other way is better.

Cristina: Oh, if you can prove it, I guess. But what if it's both equal? Then, I don't know. Then, like, how do you decide?

Jack: No, then you don't do anything. It doesn't matter in either direction at that point, you know? But it is something that creates weird habits, you know?

Cristina: How so?

Jack: Because now your kid thinks it's okay to lie to their kid about Santa.

Cristina: Claus, but it doesn't hurt or anything.

Jack: But it's like, you mean. I guess you made lying okay.

Cristina: It's a tradition, so it's okay.

Jack: The tradition of lying?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Man, that's weird. Humans are odd. Yes, but I mean, I guess everything, that everything works that way, right? Right now we have this problem with the. Everybody's addicted to their phones, but everybody's scared of phone calls. Somehow, simultaneously, right? These two issues coexist. We're addicted to the phone, but not for its original function. So there was this guy. It was this guy who, you know, he was missing. He was lost and was missing.

Cristina: Why are you laughing?

Jack: But this guy couldn't get in contact with the. With the. The rescuers who had his number and were calling because he was ignoring unknown calls on his phone.

Cristina: Stop lying.

Jack: So he was basically he was lost. He was lost and scared and kept getting strange calls on his phone. He's like, what's happening?

Cristina: He was.

Jack: Little did he know the strange calls was the search party.

Cristina: Weren't people that he knew calling him, though, too. Like, hey, where are you?

Jack: I don't know how that didn't happen.

Cristina: No one was texting him. He wasn't calling anyone. It was just random calls and he was lost.

Jack: That's weird, right?

Cristina: Yes, that's so weird. He was lost.

Jack: He was lost. Yes.

Cristina: And also, he had his phone and he was just ignoring it.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: He couldn't use his gps. Was something happening? He was hiking.

Jack: He was in the middle of nowhere. His GPS wasn't doing.

Cristina: Oh, okay. That's.

Jack: Sorry.

Cristina: They're cute.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What I don't understand. I don't know. That's so dumb. That's pretty dumb. But most of the time I think, like, when I get a call that I don't know, that says scam likely, it's like, it's gonna be a robot asking for information. And most of the time it is so. And sometimes they sound like humans. I heard one time it was a lady, and she said, I am not a robot or something, like. Or I am a human person or something while talking. I don't know. No, no, I just hung up. Like, who introduces themselves like that?

Jack: I have received those calls before.

Cristina: And you heard something like that, though?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're like, trying to confirm right off the bat I am human. And it's like, for whatever creature, this is the last thing a human would do to try to convince somebody else as a human is say, I am human.

Cristina: These robots are ridiculous. Like, she sounds almost human, but you can tell there's something. Yeah, there's something off. But she says that. I don't understand.

Jack: That's a crazy thing, right? Uncanny valley how we can get close, but it can't be perfect.

Cristina: It can't be. And it wasn't. It wasn't. There was something off about the way she was saying it, even if she didn't say that. Although that obviously, like, is a good giveaway. Oh, she's not human.

Jack: Yeah. That was, like. It was too obvious.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's not obvious, but you. You know, it's there. You see the thing? It's like seeing a painting and seeing the flaw in the painting but not knowing where the flaw is because it's in the painting hidden with the rest of the good stuff.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And you're like, something about it that's Off. But you can't tell because it's just amongst it. That's what's happening. Like, you know, like, f***. There's some robot there. It did a good job, but it can't hide that little bit of robot. I couldn't tell you where it is, but I know it's there.

Cristina: Yeah. Maybe that guy was just worried I was gonna be a robot talking about his car insurance or whatever it is they call for.

Jack: Yeah. Well, I remember this one time that there was a robot that was in. It was contacting me and it was. We were. I was having a long conversation with this robot that I think wanted to sell me something, if I'm not confused. But it was very well built.

Cristina: That was through text messaging.

Jack: Yes. It got my number. Yes. Oh, yeah. I told you about this. Right. So there was a robot and it was. It got in contact with me and it tried to have a conversation with me and it was trying to befriend me. We were talking and it was obviously a robot. But I'm like, this is quite a sophisticated robot and quite convinced it, like, I couldn't tell you where the hole is, but I can tell you it's a robot.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so I'm basically playing a game with chess with this robot that knows. I know, but it's still trying to keep up its act. It knows. There's no way. It doesn't. Because it started eventually joking and trying to confirm that it's not a robot.

Cristina: Oh, I feel like I know what you're talking about. But it was. It was trying to sell you something.

Jack: Yes. At the very end it became clear. But then I just started playing along verbally and I think I fried it or something by accident because it stopped making sense and it just disappeared entirely.

Cristina: Yeah. Because I remember. I think it was trying to get to that topic every time. But then you will lead it back to the conversation. Yes. It could have the conversation, but every time it would just try to get the conversation. Conversation to go back to the thing it was there to sell you.

Jack: Yes, yes. But I kept avoiding it. I was just dodging it. Like, I didn't even know it was trying to talk about that.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. That sounds very familiar.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: That is so weird.

Jack: Weird uncanny Valley thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What led to this? What were you talking about?

Cristina: Santa Claus.

Jack: How do we get to the robot? Oh, look, it's a phone call.

Cristina: The phone.

Jack: The phone calls. Yes. That. They're just like that. That there'. There's a lot of these, like, you're almost a person. But like, what the f***?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Eventually we're not going to be able to tell that little bit of a difference is going to be masked somehow.

Cristina: It wouldn't matter because it would still be someone trying to sell you something. And.

Jack: Yes, that's going to give it away.

Cristina: Yes. Like, it doesn't matter if you're human or robot. I'm not going to listen to you.

Jack: Because the problem is they're crazy quick with it. What you should do is build a robot that isn't going to. In the first conversation, try to sell it to me. It's going to try to. And for a long period of time.

Cristina: Yes. This robot is set to be your. To talk to you for a year without mentioning the thing.

Jack: Yes. And then be like, man, I just discovered this new awesome thing suddenly. And then you can be like, oh, yeah, I'm excited because my friend is excited. Yeah, my friend is excited. And he, you know, everything he's ever told me until this point is like, this robot just talks. Truth woke truth.

Cristina: But then what happens? Like, once this whole year of friendship happens and then the robot does sell you the thing, or you just realize, o, crap, this is fake. Is that the end?

Jack: Yeah, there's. There's two problems going on there, right? Like the. Yes. He. It's a robot that's designed to sell you something, but, like, hey, it's also your friend.

Cristina: Yeah. So does it just ghost you?

Jack: Does. Oh, because it could just ghost you.

Cristina: It could.

Jack: It's a robot.

Cristina: Accomplish its task.

Jack: Yeah, you either. Got you confirmed. I can't. I'm not gonna sell the. Buy you the thing. Or. Or what is it? I'm not gonna buy it. Or I am gonna buy it.

Cristina: Yeah. And either or it got what he wanted.

Jack: Leaving Deuces, bro, this is all I was talking to you for.

Cristina: Yeah. Is that what would happen?

Jack: So at that point, you the person on the other side. So I, you know, for a year, this is my best friend online, bro. Like, yo, you cool as h***, bro. We click, have all the same interests somehow. It's super chill. No judgment on either side. Mad awesome. Mad awesome. I'm excited to talk to this person any day.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then they try to sell me a thing one day and I'm like, I'm not that interested. They seem kind of pushy, too. What the h*** is going on, bro? You just suddenly trying to sell me some s***. And then I'm like, no, I'm not interested. It's not anything I would ever use the Key combination of words that says, well, the percentage of me making a sale here is useless. Let me dip. And then I'm just ghosted, blocked everywhere, deleted from every account.

Cristina: I feel like that's what people are on Facebook now. I get messages on Facebook from people that are supposed to be real people. And I'm sure they are real because I know them. I know them. They're human. But they sound like pyramid schemes now. They're all trying to sell me something that will make them money, but also will make me money by selling it to someone else. And it's like, no, I don't want to do this. Why are you giving me this? And then I usually tell them, like, this sounds like a scam.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like, I don't know how to politely say that to them. I know they probably see me as a friend or something. But, like, come on, come on. What are you doing?

Jack: Scammers and robots are kind of the same, right? Because the robot is a scammer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's just an accurate. I guess it's doing it. When you think about it, it's doing its job pretty accurately. Maybe better than the people doing the job. Scammers are like a dead giveaway.

Cristina: They are. It's so obvious. It's so. They're so bad at it.

Jack: Yeah. It's kind of like when you. How do I put it? There's these. When you start a conversation, right. A scammer calls, and they're immediately talking about something that you don't even have.

Cristina: That you don't even have. Like the car.

Jack: Yeah. You don't even own a car. And they're calling for your car's warranty.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or there was an accident. Or you don't have a bank account, but some, you know, your PIN number has been stolen or compromised or something.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's like, bro, you're failing at your job because the computers, like, engage with, you know, hey, what's up? Like, oh, hey, what's up? What's going on?

Cristina: But is the text messages of person or computer.

Jack: I think in both cases, because scammers will be like, let me make a meme with some words on it and stuff that'll make an urgent message and make people act, and then they'll click the thing to solve the problem. Doesn't exist.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: While the computer is getting to, like, know the person and s***, you know?

Cristina: But, like, if you get a message, like, your bank account has been, I don't know, closed off. We gotta click this link to fix It.

Jack: Yeah. Like, no. Anytime that anything says click a link, I'm like. But yeah, it's essentially the same thing.

Cristina: Yeah. There's so much of that everywhere. It's so annoying.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Makes sense. That guy ignore those phone calls.

Jack: Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, totally. Because don't we all? Who answers your phone?

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know. Like, unless you know who is calling you, it's most likely you already know. It's of kind not gonna be a real call anyway.

Jack: Yeah. But that's us, essentially. Like, we've been trained to predict this at this point.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because it happens so consistently. You know, it's like. It is scam calls usually. Most calls you're gonna get these days are scam calls, unless you're a particular kind of person who enjoys having phone calls consistently. And so you have phone calls with everybody that you talk to. So those people are the exception to the rule. But minus those people, most people are getting scam calls more frequently than they're getting actual phone calls from people to talk to.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we just naturally were like, someone just kind of gonna stop answering my phone.

Cristina: But when you're lost in the middle of nowhere. That's so crazy. That's so crazy.

Jack: But he was probably having some sort of panic attack.

Cristina: Do you know how long he was lost?

Jack: No, I have no idea.

Cristina: It's so crazy.

Jack: People do weird things, man. We're weird and impulsive, but that doesn't. Weird and impulsive, but that doesn't make us any different because so are animals.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Animals tend to be weird and impulsive too.

Cristina: Like, cats.

Jack: I don't know if cats are impulsive. I would say, like, dogs are impulsive, mainly. I mean, if it was, like, between cats and dogs, I'm sure there's like. Like, squirrels are probably really heavily impulsive.

Cristina: I don't know. Oh, squirrels, maybe. I don't know. I feel like cats are more than dogs. I don't know.

Jack: More impulsive.

Cristina: I don't know. They're all random.

Jack: Dogs don't think things through too heavily while cats are, like, kind of watch and make a plan.

Cristina: Okay. Because, like, cats do things like. Then again, it might be on purpose. Like, when they walk right in front of you, like, it's kind of, yeah, you're gonna get tripped, but also they're gonna get hurt. Are they doing that to trip you up? Do they realize they're also gonna get hurt? Do they not care? What's wrong with these cats?

Jack: I don't know, man. That doesn't Even make sense. There are. None of it makes sense. None of it. There's about 200 condors in the world. Yeah, there's about 200 condors in the world.

Cristina: Is that a bird?

Jack: Yeah, it's a big black like, like desert bird.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I guess it doesn't necessarily have to be in the desert, but it's usually find it in the desert anyways. Big black bird. About 200 of them in the world, most of them in the US and this one time some time ago, some lady called the police and they needed to call some emergency services to go to her house because out of those 200 condors of them were hanging out on her porch. They don't understand why. It has become quite a complicated scientific mystery considering condors in general hang out alone.

Cristina: But they're all hanging out.

Jack: But they were all on her porch.

Cristina: Did they find out why?

Jack: No, it's just a weird thing that happened some. This one time.

Cristina: That is so crazy. Yeah, maybe one of them died on there and they're all just having their. Yes.

Jack: I mean that's interesting. Elephants do that.

Cristina: So it's possible.

Jack: It is possible. And birds are really intelligent. Birds have this kind of ridiculously high intellect and some of them have the capacity to mess with humans on quite a good sophisticated level. So it's possible they're having mourning sessions.

Cristina: Or maybe they're getting revenge. Maybe she killed one of them.

Jack: Oh, that'd be nuts. I mean, yeah, some birds are known to hold grudges as well. Like crows. Yeah, just hanging out, messing with the same person over and over just because. F*** you.

Cristina: Yes. I wonder if that monkey war is still going on where the monkeys are killing all the dogs and then it just spread out to other countries and.

Jack: Yeah, it's crazy.

Cristina: And the monkeys probably don't even remember why they're killing dogs. But they still kill dogs.

Jack: Yeah. Now it's just a thing. It went beyond the we're killing dogs because of this specific thing. And now it's just. Well I've since I was born, we just fight. My grand, my grandfather's grandfather knows why we fight now. We just fight because it's what we've done.

Cristina: I'm sure it didn't last that long. Like it can't be still going on. It's got to be like one month of war in the end. Like eventually they're like eh, let's move on to something else.

Jack: But nah, because they're born and taught this by their families, there's no reason it should be worked out. If they're maybe even getting food from some of these dead monkeys.

Cristina: This dead dog, you think they're eating the dogs?

Jack: Some of them probably eating the dogs. F****** monkeys.

Cristina: I don't know. I'm gonna look up this story. You gotta find out what's happening.

Jack: You know what we need to find out? We need to learn about these monkeys.

Cristina: I will eventually.

Jack: Yeah. This is weird. Just. This is how Earth, just. Great planet. Great planet. It is. It's been having a panic, bro. That's a pan. That's part of the panic attack. How weird is it that there's just an infinite war happening between dogs and monkeys?

Cristina: It's a one sided war.

Jack: I guess it is.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's just a bunch of. But that's crazy anyways.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's just a bunch of monkeys out here murdering dogs because one dog might.

Cristina: Have accidentally killed a monkey.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Or maybe purposely, who knows? But it was just one dog.

Jack: And now they're out there killing all the dogs. Yeah. How is that any different than the whole Ukraine, Russia problem?

Cristina: What?

Jack: People killing people for no reason.

Cristina: They have their reasons, I'm guessing.

Jack: Do the. I wonder if the soldiers have their reasons. If they're just following order. I mean, I guess that's the reason.

Cristina: That is the reason. Yes.

Jack: It's work, bro. It pays the bills.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What if that's crazy, dude. We go, we sign up 18 years old, fresh. Oh, yeah, I'm so fresh. Sign up.

Cristina: When you're doing it that young, you're doing it for fun.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You sign weirdo work, you sign the paperwork.

Cristina: Disturbing person.

Jack: You do the thing and you're like, oh yeah, this is culty. As we gotta follow a regimen, think a certain way, behave a certain way. It's brain. Blatant brainwashing. It's a point. The brainwashing is the point at the beginning.

Cristina: Yeah. It is cold.

Jack: Yeah. And we support each other no matter what. You're a soldier forever. This is harder than a gang, brother. Anywhere in the country you go, we know. And so we basically joined this cult.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because we need money. It's a job.

Cristina: Yes. And.

Jack: And the cult straight up says, go out there and shoot people. And we're like, well, you know, I said, I told the cult, I'll do whatever it wants me to. So I'm gonna go out there and shoot people and it's gonna give me money.

Cristina: Yeah. It's the legal way of shooting people.

Jack: It's a legal gang.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Whoa. Gangs are also cults.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We follow, we get Together because we believe in the same ideology. We do the same s***. And if you don't believe in the ideology, but you want to be here, we can beat it into you. We can do. To train you into the ideology. It's fine. You can become one of us if you're not already.

Cristina: That's a gang.

Jack: Gangs.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You become one of us, we join the game, we jump you in. We're gonna do everything. It's all the same s***. What's the difference between that and f****** military?

Cristina: Oh, crap. It's all cults.

Jack: It's all cults. Everything is a cult. Politics are cults. Everything is a cult for sure.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Even the beauty industry is a cult.

Cristina: The beauty industry.

Jack: The beauty industry is a cult, like, for sure, for sure. The way they try to market certain things. And the people who are interested in the beauty industry, you know, this is what's in fashion. Oh, I need to get what's in fashion, because that's what the beauty industry said I need to do.

Cristina: I guess there are really people who do that.

Jack: I'm assuming that's right.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I can't just be in. Stereotypes are based on something, right?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: So it has to be to some degree, Right. We might not know them, but I'm sure that's a thing.

Cristina: That's probably a thing. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah, whatever. So it's just probably the thing. But yeah. So the beauty industry itself is weird culty thing. All versions of it, too. Because there's rich people too, right? Rich people are way culty. There's like the whole, like, social contract that they follow. We be. We also behave a certain way. You know, we. Us rich people up here, us elitists, we go to certain places. If you don't go to these places, if you're, like, hanging out with the poor people or doing this kind of thing, you know, you're not cool the way we are in our yachts and stuff. You can't be peasanting around where we're elites. And so there's definitely behaviors, right? Oh, your father launders money and that's how he's rich. Well, I can't rat. I mean, still, you can't rap people out as three rules anyways. But, you know, things like that, that happen at all times. That's a cult. They're following this sort of what? We behave different because we're special.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah. I guess that is a cult. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. It's crazy. And I guess going back to the beauty and the rich people, if you were to merge those two. There's this. You know the people who go so far into it that they alter their faces.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So it's like I need my. There's an exact way that lips should look, even if it will look weird on my body. There's an exact set of dimensions that somebody put somewhere that the perfect set of lips are.

Cristina: And everyone does it.

Jack: See? So I'm gonna get those exact lips, even if it looks weird and crazy on me.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And the eyebrows. There's an exact perfect shape. I looked it up. It's an exact number. All the women are doing it in the circle that I'm in, so I need to get it too. It can't be the only one who doesn't have the thing. But then what happens? Everybody looks exactly the same.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And behaves exactly the same. They're altering their body for this cult.

Cristina: Yes, I see that. Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: The same makeup, same hairstyle.

Jack: Yes. It's so much stranger when you do it to your animals.

Cristina: What? I understand doing it to you, but what does it even mean to do it to your animals?

Jack: So there was a beauty competition for animals? Yes. For. Specifically for camels.

Cristina: For camels. I was thinking dogs. This is weird. Okay. Camels.

Jack: Well, it's less weird if I tell you it's in Saudi Arabia.

Cristina: Okay, Right.

Jack: So it's. It's a little less weird.

Cristina: Sure.

Jack: So in Saudi Arabia, there was a competition.

Cristina: Beauty.

Jack: A beauty contest for camels. For camels. It's a normal beauty contest.

Cristina: Someone cheated with surgery.

Jack: So 40 camels were banned because they were found to have had Botox to make them look sexier for the judges of the beauty contest.

Cristina: Like in their face. Their humps. Like, where are these?

Jack: In their face? Yes.

Cristina: Oh, in their face. Okay.

Jack: Given Botox in their lips and in their cheeks to make them look younger and sexier for the vision.

Cristina: How many camels were in scalp competition that 40 of them were cheating?

Jack: I don't know. But that was it.

Cristina: 40 camels and, like, all of them were cheating? Or was it hundreds of camels?

Jack: Like, it was definitely enough that 40 were cheating.

Cristina: That's so ridiculous. That's a ridiculous story.

Jack: Most stories are ridiculous. What story isn't? What? What? Tell me a story that isn't. There you go.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: What's a non ridiculous story?

Cristina: I don't know. There's no non. Ridiculous story. I don't know. There's a magic baby that people worship. I don't know.

Jack: There's a magic baby. Oh, yeah. I guess. Yeah, I guess so. I never really thought about that. Because they did worship him as the magic baby at the beginning too. He was a magic baby who then just became some carpenter. And they're like, oh yeah, not kill him. We were wrong. Kill him.

Cristina: That's not what happened.

Jack: It's totally what happened. He was a magic baby and the kings worshiped him and then he was a carpenter and like we were wrong come the carpenter.

Cristina: I mean the kings were like that. No, I don't know where they were in the story. They came, they said hi and then they left.

Jack: The kings of what? Right? Like are they kings who crown them? Are they like their lineage? They came over here.

Cristina: No one knows where. I don't know. Maybe the story includes the locations, but.

Jack: I doubt he came from here. He came from there. It's like, okay, so if we were. There's documents, bro, there's documents. So if you're telling me that this king from that place were they just.

Cristina: Referred to as three kings. No, they have to have names, right?

Jack: Names and like he was someone. It can't just be a king. Came from where? Dude, came from where?

Cristina: They just traveled from far away.

Jack: Yeah, kings came from far away lands.

Cristina: It took them three days.

Jack: I dare the Bible to say that. No way. It can't just say the kings came from faraway lands.

Cristina: Yes, on a three day trip. Was it three days? I don't know.

Jack: No, I think you're thinking of the three days after Jesus died before he came back as like a vampire or a zombie or whatever he is.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So they did not take a three day trip to see him. They took a long time or. No, it wasn't like they were just there.

Jack: No, I think they got lost in the desert and they followed the north Star or something.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess they didn't get lost because they were just following the north star.

Jack: Which doesn't make sense if they were following it because it was north. Unless they were in the south, I guess.

Cristina: Right, but how does that tell them where Jesus is?

Jack: I don't know. That story really doesn't kind of hold a lot of water when you really think about it. But that's how the Bible works, essentially. Don't think about it too hard. But that being said, they came from Africa.

Cristina: I don't know. They could go they from it. I don't know.

Jack: Coming to Jerusalem. You're coming to Jerusalem?

Jack: That's in the Middle East. You follow the North Star. The star in the north. You came from south. Otherwise it would not have led you to Jesus. It would have led you elsewhere. If you were left of Jesus and you followed the North Star, then you went, I don't know, to India.

Cristina: You know, I think they just made up stories of where they came from. This is, I think that Persia, India, Arabia. How close is that to Jesus?

Jack: That's all the Middle East.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It's pretty close. Yeah.

Cristina: Are they close to each other? How did they end up next to each other?

Jack: It's not possible that these guys showed up on the same day. That's just not possible. I don't know if it said they.

Cristina: Showed up on the same day.

Jack: I know that they were there.

Cristina: It seemed like they were traveling together though, the whole time.

Jack: Which makes less sense if they're from these three. I'm gonna go like a month ahead of time to this other unrelated country to pick up Bob. And then me and Bob are gonna go to this second unrelated country to me and first unrelated country to Bob to pick up Steve. And then the three of us, because we're buddies like that, we're just buddy kings, you know, we're gonna travel up north to see baby Jesus. But never mind that. Chances are we are surrounding the area that we are going to go to anyways. So we probably cross paths with where we're headed. And it's probably been shorter had we all just gone to the middle or something, but okay.

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know if that story makes sense. I mean, it doesn't need to make sense, does it?

Jack: It doesn't need to make sense. Most stories don't make sense and their.

Cristina: Gifts are lame anyway.

Jack: But where are their gifts?

Cristina: It's like, here's a cup gold and some plants.

Jack: I mean, it depends on what scale do you mean, right? So you're like, this is useless. But what if that gold instantly made him rich, right? Like a specific kind of gold is.

Cristina: Like, oh, what if it was just one little gold coin though?

Jack: That's total garbage. Then he's a douchebag. But what if it's a really. It's like they don't know how expensive it is, but it's way ahead of his time. And in like 10 years, they'll discover the material and he's like, I'm this good. Gives it to the baby Jesus for 10 years. Baby Jesus is like, yeah, my cool little medallion thing. And then boom, they discover it in his area. And he's like, holy crap. Like, the dude gave me a coin. It's I'm filthy. Rich.

Cristina: It looks like they just gave him crap to me, though.

Jack: Yes. Total dirt.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: He just showed up in here. Baby.

Cristina: Where you come from.

Jack: Yes. You are the messiah. Dirt to face, doof.

Cristina: I don't know. It's smelly there. I think they're. They're, like, used for incest. Is that what it's called?

Jack: But, like, what if it changed their lives? So they discovered this dirt, and then they discover lavender. Lavender incense. And then boom, everybody's chill. Thus making the society more accepting of baby Jesus. Boom. And then that coin. So you got the coin, the gold, right? You gave him the gold coin? It's just one coin. It seems dumb until they discover that type of gold in the area and he's a millionaire instantly. And then the other guy, he gave you the plant. But this plant. Oh, it's for his people. They use it for everything. They heal everything. But you don't know this yet, but your people slowly catch up. Studying your plant, put it everywhere. Now all your people are healthy all the time as compared to other people. So these three kings preemptively made a paradise around baby Jesus.

Cristina: You think Jesus did anything with these things?

Jack: H***, no. I am so sure that all of that disappeared when these people had to run for their lives immediately following that.

Cristina: What? Mary had to run for her lives, her life.

Jack: There's no way that a cult of people gathered in a barn to worship a baby and people literally traveled from outside, made kind of a lot of noise about this baby.

Cristina: People must have freaked out.

Jack: People must have freaked the f*** out. They had to get the h*** out of there. The reality of the matter is they had to leave. There was a lot of noise about the next Messiah, and clearly we can tell because it eventually took place. They. They're not fond of that thought.

Cristina: It sounds like a cult of people just worshiping a baby. It sounds kind of scary. That's like little horror movie things.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. If you took this out of context and just showed me this thing without telling me it had anything to do with Jesus. A bunch of people go into a dark bar surrounded by farm animals, ladies screaming, it's raining outside. Thunder. And the people just gathered, Gathered, Excited, excited. Strangers, people in robes. And people dress weird. Just like a ghost. Bros, head to toe in just like a ghost outfit. I'm like a pope. These kings dressed in gowns and robes, this weird culty gathering, excited about the baby. Then they hold the baby up. Everybody's like, oh, yeah, it's God. She gave birth to God. Look at it.

Cristina: Yes, go.

Jack: God's right there in front of us. We're all chosen to be here and see it happen. Oh, my God.

Cristina: And we got him gifts.

Jack: And we brought him gifts. We brought God gifts. He's gonna be so happy with us.

Cristina: Yeah. So creepy.

Jack: Totally creepy. Dude. This is just real.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: People believe this happened. And they're like, yeah, we're cool with it.

Cristina: Disturbing.

Jack: And then we go and pretend we drink blood and eat human flesh. It's chill, bro.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's chill. All we do is worship and try to eat them. Hopefully one day I eat one of these little bread flakes and it tastes like skin. And I'm like, oh, I've crossed over. I truly believe now. My faith is. Yes, My faith is so solid, I can taste the flesh. Wow, this cup tastes like blood.

Cristina: That's disturbing.

Jack: The blood of Jesus. He's communicating with. He's trying to be so close to me right now. It's a cup of blood. It's not. Everybody drank it. They're like, it tastes like wine. They tasted. Oh, my God. It tastes just like blood. It must be Jesus blood. Little do you know, that's the moment you're having, like, a stroke or something.

Cristina: You're like bleeding in your mouth and you're tasting your own blood because you.

Jack: Also ate the flesh. So you just, like, bit you. So you did it in that order. You took the cookie and you're like, maybe you did drugs or something.

Cristina: You did yourself mad.

Jack: Yeah, you just did drugs or something. And you're like, you're not feeling things too well. And you eat the bread and then blam. Take a piece of your tongue. But you don't even know. Wow, this is gummy. This is fleshy. Oh, my God. Is it happening? Am I connecting to God right now? And then afterwards, you take the wine and you pour it, but the wine is alcohol, so it's thinning your blood and making your tongue bleed more. And so you got something gummy, which is just a chunk of your tongue, and your mouth feels like blood. And you throw that wine in there and it tastes more like blood. And you're like, what? What? I'm. I'm in God gasming.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Oh, that's a good word. I'm godgasming. Isn't that when people like, oh, yes, bro, that's a godgasm.

Cristina: Godgasm. It's the opposite of being. What's it called?

Jack: Possessed.

Cristina: Possessed. There you go.

Jack: Oh, my God. A godgasm is the opposite of possession.

Cristina: It's almost the same.

Jack: It's almost the same thing. It's almost the same thing.

Cristina: There's something possessing you in both cases, though, right?

Jack: God isn't possessing you. He's touching you.

Cristina: That's not better. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Now he's just coming in contact with your private Soul. Yeah. Yes, 100%. The Godgasm. The greatest thing ever made was a godgasm. Was a God gasm. I mean, based on how people are behaving, it must be astounding, right? The craziest thing is that these people gathered in this barn, hidden in a dark, rainy, stormy night, presumably. I don't know if that's true. You know, I'm just adding scenery here, but, you know, it's raining and stormy and they're hiding in the dark because electricity didn't happen. So they had like a lantern just highlighting the v***** of this woman as she lays on the floor. A bunch of people just staring dead at.

Cristina: And they're like, yeah, that does look like a version of v*****.

Jack: Yeah, it does looks. It checks out. It checks out. And then the baby is born. And the craziest part about this is everybody in that room is hoping to get a God gas. They. They want to be possessed by God and him earned, Touched. They want God tingles. They want a God gasm after God tingles them a little.

Cristina: That sounds so wrong.

Jack: That's what they want. They want to be one with God. They want God inside them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They're hoping that baby.

Cristina: That's so disturbing.

Jack: They're like, that baby is gonna be inside me one day. I'm feel him inside me. And it's gonna be great. It's gonna. It's gonna feel like pure love.

Cristina: Disturbing.

Jack: It's gonna feel like pure love. That baby's gonna be inside me and it's gonna feel like pure nothing. Pure loving goodness. Pure loving goodness.

Cristina: This is all horrible.

Jack: That baby right there. And then king one nudges arm of king two, and he's like, right? And king two is like, yeah, this is gonna be great. That baby's gonna. We're gonna be one with that baby.

Cristina: That's disturbing.

Jack: No, like what you say. You said let's feel like pure loveness. I agree. I agree. Yeah. Yeah. Pure, pure loveness. Pure loveness.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. You love it. That's what they want. They're begging for it. They will literally die for it.

Cristina: They gave some crappy gifts.

Jack: They were solving his life's problems. It's not Jesus's fault that he was born with an Average IQ and didn't solve these issues.

Cristina: What issues?

Jack: Whatever issues the gifts were meant to solve. One was poverty, the other one was medicine. And the other one was like, you haven't figured out what dirt is yet. Here's some dirt. You know, here's a plant that'll heal all your ailments forever.

Cristina: Planet growing to warn him about climate change.

Jack: Yes. If you. I guess. Can you imagine. That's the real wisdom of that one years. He's supposed to live forever.

Cristina: All three, if you add them together. It's a warning about climate change.

Jack: It's a warning about.

Cristina: Yes. The gold is gonna be the greed that ruins the earth, which is the dirt. And the plants are gonna die off. And that's why there's plants involved. And oh my God.

Jack: I guess can. D***. The Three Kings knew about climate change.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they were hoping the Messiah could. To solve it.

Cristina: Yes. That's all it was about.

Jack: That's all it was about. The Three Kings knew that God is about to be born. Let us bring us. Let us bring him our problems.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Our society is collapsing because of poverty. I'm going to give him money and he's going to figure out how to solve this problem. Next place comes, our people cannot grow the medicine that we need. So I'm gonna give it to the. God. To God. God's gonna be born. I'll give it to God and he's gonna figure out how to make this plant grow. And yes, it's gonna come. He's gonna hit baby Jesus with dirt. He's gonna say, here's dirt. Everybody had wishes. I don't have, like, I got dirt. Here's some dirt. And maybe you can make this dirt awesome the way you can make that other stuff awesome, bro. Like whatever, just give me.

Cristina: He's just a lazy one.

Jack: Yeah, give me something cool. And so they were all coming because they believed truly at the bottom of their heart that he is going to solve their problems. And then he just became a carpenter instead. So then they put a hit on him. They're like, it's third. It's 30 years.

Cristina: They have nothing to do with.

Jack: It's been 30 years. And he did not. I mean, they had to be old, right? They're kings.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: So each one of them is what, like 12? The oldest person alive at that point.

Cristina: Yes. And then that 20, they d die.

Jack: Yeah. So so this. These guys somehow now 60 or 80 or whatever, they're dead.

Cristina: They're now 60, they're 40 and they die.

Jack: And Jesus starts preaching and they're like you.

Cristina: And on their deathbeds, you, you still.

Jack: You'Re tell, you're now talking about you being God. It's your 30 year old birthday and you're just out there talking about being God. And you still have not solved my problems. My people are starving, we are dying because the money has collapsed. And you didn't figure it out. Go kill Jesus. And then the other guy was also like, you have not solved the diseases that my people have been plagued with. God, go kill him. And then the other guy's like, my dirt is the same it's been since I gave you some of it. And the dirt hasn't changed. Somebody go kill him. And then there wasn't an episode, epic John Wick battle, where Jesus is John Wick and he's fighting the three greatest assassins sent in by the Three Kings, who were formerly believers but are now just Jesus's greatest rivals.

Cristina: Jesus is about is Baba Yaga.

Jack: Jesus Yaga, they call him.

Cristina: That name doesn't even make sense.

Jack: Yes, it totally does not.

Cristina: But I love it.

Jack: Truly an overpowered witch.

Cristina: But no, no to all of this.

Jack: Yes, it doesn't really make sense. I don't know what the h*** those kings. All the plot holes, bro. All the plot holes that exist. It's phenomenal.

Cristina: It's human.

Jack: It's human. I mean, look, what's the ultimate premise here? We know that computers can't imitate being human. And we know that humans are still sometimes very similar to animals.

Cristina: Definitely.

Jack: But we can use computers to imitate animals, can we? Perfectly, sometimes. So why can't we imitate humans if humans are no different than animals? There is some exceptionality to humans. There's something weirder about us and it shouldn't like, yeah, we have a bigger brain and we exercise that and that's how we survive. That's no different than the animal that figured out speed stats or the one that like went all in on strength or something. You know, we just went all in on brain. We're slow and like fragile and anything will kill us. But we're so smart, we alter our world. Yeah, great, whatever. That's still nature. Why can't we create a computer that can imitate it perfectly?

Cristina: Or have we? Since that guy from Google said that thing like, who knows, maybe there are robots out there that are fully sentient. Yes.

Jack: I don't know, man.

Cristina: And they're all around us and they're just watching us or writing to us, who knows? Or calling us.

Jack: I don't Know, man, You think we're truly kids. Crazy, right? That means that the scale of humanity is. It's so vast because we got geniuses. Geniuses with the capacity without even understanding what consciousness is. Being able to generate consciousness. We learned how to create consciousness before we know what it is. Powerful. We don't even know what the universe is. And we can alter it already. That's weird. Weird.

Cristina: We don't need to know.

Jack: We don't need to know. We don't need to know. We can, but that's problematic. That's how we f*** s*** up.

Cristina: But yes.

Jack: Yeah. You know, if we not understanding the rules before, we're trying to break them. And the golden rule is learn it and then break it. But learn it.

Cristina: We definitely don't do that.

Jack: We don't do that. We don't do that. But, you know, we got smart people breaking reality.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Generating entire universe. Many tiny universes the size of our own universe in infinitesimally small points and then taking a snapshot of that information to then dissect later. What. What we do.

Cristina: That's insane.

Jack: We do that. Whoa. That's crazy as h***. But then we also have the level of intellect. Kind of like this one time that Shakira was just at an airport and then she was around a bunch of people who were swarming her plane after she had just gotten down. And they were so mesmerized by Shakira and blown away by the fact that she was there, that directly next to her, 2, 3ft to the side, a boar was stealing her luggage. And everybody was kind of just amazed at like, wow, look at the boar. Steel. Shakira's luggage. Wow. A.

Cristina: A boar, like a pig.

Jack: Yes. Was stealing her luggage. And people were standing around, hands that it was happening to Shakira.

Cristina: Was she saying anything like, hey, someone, my luggage is.

Jack: She's just like, you got nobody. Is this real? Is this even happening?

Cristina: This is really happening. What is he doing?

Jack: It must be so weird to be a celebrity and consistently see the hole in the Matrix, right?

Cristina: Yeah. Yes. But there's a boar stealing your lug. That's even more.

Jack: That's weirder than what the humans are doing.

Cristina: Yes. Like they're doing what they do. But why is there a bore stealing Earth luggage? What? That is weirder. I don't know. Yeah.

Jack: Everybody was just quietly watching it happen. Nobody was talking or cheering. Just standing there watching it just like.

Cristina: That is so crazy. But NPCs, yo.

Jack: For real. For real. They are totally NPCs. It is so weird. It's so weird, dude.

Cristina: They saw a celebrity and were more distracted by her than the weird, weird thing that was happening.

Jack: Being a celebrity has to be so strange.

Cristina: It's gotta be like, there could have been an alien next to her. And they're like, no, but look, she came.

Jack: Yeah, dude, straight up, like, you gotta understand. We're looking at how weird they are in this one incident that somebody made a comment about it, which was Shakira. This is. She was like. She posted online or something about it. Like, are you people crazy? Like, what Was that moment real? Was this a real thing? And like, when you think about it, when you really think about it being like these mega celebrities did, you're always watching humanity devolve into their primal, animalistic ways. Just walking by them. You just watch intellect drop to zero and instinct take over.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Whoa. You're just another f****** person. But something about your job choice in life affects another person's entire being where.

Cristina: They forget that you're human.

Jack: Yes. And you're just walking by people and turning them primal.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. That's so weird. It's so weird. It's kind of disturbing.

Jack: It's so strange. So freaking weird. How are you getting this? How weird is it? But also, like, she's already has to be like a magnet for this, right?

Cristina: Yes, but what. That's all ridiculous. Like, boys are dangerous. What if she. The bore. Her. Her. Would have anyone have done anything? Would they have then done something? That's ridiculous.

Jack: Yeah, but, man, that's weird because at that point there. So she's being watched and she's used to being watched and still had to make a comment about how weird this was. So what is she not like. What is she numb to at this point? You know, how much weird s*** does she see that it took that level of like a whole other creature had to be involved in how weird this moment was.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And she's. Then we hear about it. Then we hear somebody comment. We don't hear celebrities every day be like, oh, yeah, there was a bunch of people standing outside my house simply because I live here. Just. I just live here. And that's why there's people outside. Who am I? I'm a guy. What do I do? I have a job. And because I have a job, there's people outside my f****** house waiting to see if they can look at me. Just once. They're gonna go, get off on having looked at me.

Cristina: A lot of. What's this? That security? No. Well, yeah, security, but also when you don't want people around you on a certain.

Jack: Oh, like warrants. Not warrants. I know we're talking. Dan. That word would come to me instantly.

Cristina: I know.

Jack: A restriction.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You're so close or something.

Cristina: Oh, it's right there. It's right in the edge of my mind.

Jack: That thing.

Cristina: That thing where, like someone's stalking you. You have that thing.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: So that they can keep away from your surroundings. Area.

Jack: Exactly. Exactly. They probably. I guess they do. That's so strange.

Cristina: So strange. But they have to. There's some people who are just way too weird.

Jack: D***. And people just want to like be with you by force.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And this again. A person who's used to it. What don't we hear about? Yes, but now flip it. What about people who don't know they're being watched? Because we're watching. In the case of something like Shakira. She's watching humans and she's who we're looking at. That's one of the weird aspects. But what weird things do normal people do when they're not being watched? That would be weird.

Cristina: What the normal people do.

Jack: I mean, I guess a nun isn't a normal person.

Cristina: A what?

Jack: A nun.

Cristina: A nun.

Jack: Yeah. Nun isn't a normal person. And we've had weird things with nuns before. Like the nuns biting people and the nuns meowing.

Cristina: But they're. They're supposed to be normal people. I don't know know why. They're not very normal sometimes.

Jack: They're totally not. But this morbid specific nun is cool.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah. She didn't know that there was a camera on a car or something in the area that was recording her. But a nun went into the graveyard and dug out a body and danced with the skeleton on video without knowing she was being recorded though.

Cristina: That's so disturbing. That's not a nun.

Jack: No, it was a nun.

Cristina: That was a nun. What?

Jack: Hot. Dancing with.

Cristina: Does she know this skeleton?

Jack: Don't know.

Cristina: How did she even do it?

Jack: That's a really.

Cristina: Did they watch her dig it out? Break the thing it was in?

Jack: I don't. I'm not entirely sure. I know. She shows up and is eventually dancing with the skeleton.

Cristina: It's gotta be a fake skeleton. She just keeps saying the grave. I don't know. There's no way she actually dug out a dead body.

Jack: And no way the skeleton would hold together if it was real either.

Cristina: Yeah. So I think it was a fake skeleton.

Jack: It could have been.

Cristina: It's so weird. It's so weird. But it's less weird. No, it's equally weird.

Jack: But now my question is, how often does weird s*** like that happen? Right?

Cristina: Yeah. Just weird activities that you feel like doing.

Jack: Yeah. People don't normally do in front of other people. And like 99% of every human doesn't get shared with the outside world.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're just s*** you keep inside your head. But like, for a normal person, what's like the craziest s*** they have in their head that doesn't get actualized?

Jack: But if they could. If everything you could do and wanted to do wouldn't be judged or punished, you'd do everything. What thing would most people do? Ooh, interesting question.

Cristina: Most people do.

Jack: Yeah. What thing would most people do if there'd be zero judgment and if everything was nonsense, unpunishable, Walk around naked?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: A lot of people would do that. I think a lot of people would also rape.

Cristina: Oh my God.

Jack: Yeah. But it would get dark. A lot of people would rape. Like a lot of the rape. We know where it's going. It's horrible.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Priests. Oh God. Friend frenzy. Frenzy. Oh. All the priests running out of all the Catholic churches just high fiving each other. It's. It's time, boys.

Cristina: That's the servant. Okay.

Jack: They're like this. We've been doing this for so long and now God has given us our gift. Let's go out. We prayed for everything, for us, for what we want. And now it's granted. Let's go. No, they high five Bob and Steve. The priest high five minute here and they're like. Yeah. And then there's like that priest names.

Cristina: Are Bob and Steve.

Jack: Everybody's name is Bob. But they high five in midair. There's like a snapshot of them in the middle of the high five. And then 80s music starts playing.

Cristina: That's awful.

Jack: Credits start rolling and then, you know, credits finished. We get a marvel moment where you're like hit the hidden scene, you know. And it's right after they finish the high five and they land. And then the camera starts turning as they turn to. So they're looking at like wherever they just came out of the church or whatever. And the camera starts turning to the opposite side of the church. Church. They're looking at the church too. We were looking at their backs.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so the camera's turning to see. And they're also slowly turning. And by the time they're turned fully, the camera's behind them again.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And what they're looking at is the Preschool across the street.

Cristina: Oh, I knew preschool or something. Why? Why?

Jack: Can't make everything not judgeable or punishable.

Cristina: So that's not why.

Jack: D***. It Would immediately go there. And not just priests. It would just.

Cristina: A lot of people do weird things. Weird things that people do.

Jack: Like, that lady will be a lot of that too.

Cristina: Anything horrible. She was just doing something weird.

Jack: She was. For sure. And the majority is gonna be just weird things.

Cristina: Yes. But like, why rape?

Jack: Because for some reason, that's a real common thing. That's real common. That's nuts. At least. I mean, it depends on our definition of rape, I suppose. But that's too deep into the weeds, you know?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It would really rely heavily on that. But no, I'm pretty sure murder and rape are at like, the top of the list for a lot of people. This is like, what? I want to know what it feels like, man.

Cristina: Yes. I want to know how it feels like being inside a dog.

Jack: Yeah, somebody's gonna do that. Nobody's gonna judge me. Zero judgment. And I know factually there's gonna be zero judgment.

Cristina: No.

Jack: You know how many people are gonna do that?

Cristina: Kind of be weird, like tasting weird food or something.

Jack: Other people who are like, I remember that video about the guy getting f***** by the horse. Ever since I've wanted to get f***** by a horse, but I know he would get judged because I myself judged him. Even if I'd like to get f***** by a horse too. But judgment ceased to be a thing. So I'm gonna go buy a horse. Nobody's gonna judge me for buying a horse. Then I get f***** by my horse, and nobody's gonna judge me for that. That. So, yes, there's be a lot of weird s*** happening in every direction. All kinds of messed up. Somebody's is gonna be like, man, I miss out on the toilet paper. Buying a ton of toilet paper just to have that experience. People got their college experience, people got there. Their prom experience.

Cristina: You know what I would say I.

Jack: Have not experienced the panic. Buying them so many just go and buy a ton of toilet paper.

Cristina: Is that what you're gonna do?

Jack: Buy all the toilet paper?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: Just totally kill the toilet paper in one store.

Cristina: So ridiculous.

Jack: That's nuts. Would it. What would they do? I wonder if you could restart the. The panic by doing something random like that. If there's enough cameras and enough people that if you get like, just enough actors and you guys agree, right? You get together and you're like, look, we're gonna go. We're gonna scramble through the store, like, s***'s about to hit the fan. And we're just gonna tell people, I'm just getting ready. Anytime they ask, I'm just getting ready. Like you're scared. I'm just getting ready. Leave me alone. I'm in a rush. And all five of these homies decide that's what you're gonna do and say. And so they really race into a store slowly. They don't come in together, but they.

Cristina: Don'T have to just buy toilet paper. Or they are.

Jack: They're gonna throw a crap ton of toilet paper, but they're gonna get cans of food and stuff too. You know, make it convincing. Yeah, but a crap ton of toilet paper. I guess it doesn't even have to be. Screw toilet paper. I want to restart the chaos. So these resend. These five people, and they start grabbing things and start behaving all frantic, but they're not giving anybody any information.

Cristina: How long before are they, like, saying, I'm getting ready?

Jack: Yeah, they're saying, I'm getting ready. Somebody asked them what's. What's the thing? But they don't even come together. You know, we send one, we send the next one a little later. Eventually, we make them overlap. So it looks more like the first one goes in, then leaves. The second one comes in and is there 30 minutes, but 15 minutes in the set, the next one comes in. So, you know, it looks like more is happening.

Cristina: Yeah, the.

Jack: For the last three, they're gonna show up when one of them. For the last two, they're gonna show up when the third one is still there. That's three people in panic. And so how long before there's. Yeah, a sixth person just starts grabbing toilet paper and food and can't. I see people getting ready, and they're not telling me what the f*** it's for. But you know what? I'm not an idiot. If I'm walking down a street.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And I see five people running like something horrible happened over there, am I gonna keep walking down that street? Or my turning around running to probably running. Let's assume this logic applies and that maybe I buy all this s*** for nothing. And it was a stupid thing I did once, but maybe the f****** running from something down the street and I just happened to see it, I'm gonna start running too. Let me start grabbing s***.

Cristina: Okay. So that's how that starts.

Jack: And that's it. Now you got another one. But how long before somebody else has the same thought?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Domino effect. Before long, we don't even know why the h*** any. What are we panicking about? I don't know. Everybody's freaked out and started buying.

Cristina: Yep. I don't know. They'll just relate it to the news somehow. They'll just remember something. Whatever. The last story they saw there was a school shooting. I'm doing this for that.

Jack: Yeah. You know, you're totally right. You're totally right. They're gonna say it's looting or some. We did it because we were trying to make. Because it can't be for no reason. Reason.

Cristina: It can't.

Jack: It can't be. We have to justify and rationalize everything in our minds. So it's definitely going to be that the. It's 100 going to be rationalized and got a grounded. It's got to make sense. This is why I did it. I'm not a drone. A mindless drone. This was a. I planned this behavior.

Cristina: There's going to be storm coming. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Something. Exactly. I was scared for the storm. You guys in here. Oh, maybe the news is wrong, but whatever. I thought it was coming. As humans do. As humans do.

Cristina: I want to do what that lady's doing. I want to get a skeleton, take it to the grave and start dancing with it. That sounds like a fun plan.

Jack: That sounds dope. Right? Like that. That's a weird thing, but it's so poetic somehow. Like a nun dancing in the graveyard with a skeleton is just a poetic thought.

Cristina: Yeah. You just cover the skeleton with their. I think. Right. It can't just be a clean looking.

Jack: It needs to be a convincing skeleton. Yeah, yeah. It can't just be sparkly. It needs to look.

Cristina: Maybe you should keep it sparkly so that you don't get in trouble.

Jack: Or just dig up a skeleton.

Cristina: No, no.

Jack: Just dig up a dead body. It's fine.

Cristina: Who's crazy? That doesn't even sound like an easy thing to do.

Jack: What.

Cristina: A dirty body.

Jack: Grave robbing.

Cristina: Grave robbing doesn't sound easy. Especially because you're specifically looking for a.

Jack: Skeleton grave robbing for a living. I'm sure somebody look. The deep web goes deep. And it's webby. I'm sure something on the webby. Deep web is a place where you can hire a guy to go rob a grave.

Cristina: But how does he know which one's gonna have a skeleton?

Jack: He's educated and researched. Well researched in this area.

Cristina: You just look for the Odyssey body.

Jack: No, he's like, oh, well, this. He's grave robbing for a reason. You're paying him you're not paying him to rob a random grave. That's unrelated to you. You're like, I heard that somewhere down the lineage of my family, there's this really expensive amulet thing, and I need you to go retrieve it. Grave robber guy. And grave robber guys can go do. You can pay him. He can give you the thingy. It's like, I found the thing. Or, hey, I looked in the thing and I never found the thing you were talking about.

Cristina: And I'll get a detective to spy on this gray point to make sure he doesn't steal it.

Jack: Well, no, because more people involved. He has to be a reliable person, right?

Cristina: If I'm finding him online, I don't know, how do I know that he is?

Jack: Oh, maybe he wants further business in the future. And like, if you're already a person who's willing to pay for this kind of service, like, maybe you'll do it again. So, like, I need you to want more work from me.

Cristina: I don't know why I would.

Jack: Like, it's unlikely, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Unless. I don't know. I don't know, man. I guess maybe he has to work for a group of people who specifically find out about dead people who've been buried with things, keep the information long enough, and then go dig up the jewelry that they know. So they got it. Has to be an operation. There has to be a guy in the morgue when they're propping up the body. Or not the morgue, whatever. The funeral home, when they're propping up the body to look right and be displayed how they want to be displayed with the necklaces and rings and maybe some lovely this and some lovely that. And there has to be guy taking note about this and he writes it in his little notebook, takes note. This body. Okay, Watch this. See where it's buried, talks to the boys. Okay, this much crap, this is worth digging up. Because this could go into the bigger pot. Put the body in. This is how many bodies I saw today. They had expensive things we can do. We could build a root, knock down a bunch of bodies, Dirt, fresh. Nobody's even going to know we robbed them. Because we're the people who put them there. We know how to make this look the same way we did. And then by the end of the night, we have a bunch of loot. We've robbed all the dead bodies. By the time bodies decomposed, nobody even knows.

Cristina: Simple.

Jack: Yeah, simple operation. Hit it. Got it.

Cristina: But with a person who's just randomly hiring that person to find jewelry, how do they trust that?

Jack: I mean, the guy is still in business. You have to assume that that other operation he's running, he's still running, running. And that betraying you means you might try to find out and expose whatever is keeping him afloat.

Cristina: How do I know I'm not his first customer?

Jack: Boom. Interesting. And then he's just robbing his first customer. Yeah, he's gonna rob every customer.

Cristina: Yeah, he's just scamming anyone.

Jack: Eventually somebody is gonna try to get back at him, you know?

Cristina: Okay, so you need to be like.

Jack: Go rob this place. And then there's just a person who's gonna kill him. They're waiting. Oh, so he. There's no benefit.

Cristina: There's no benefit.

Jack: Somehow this comes back. Crime is about following rules.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But anyways, that's exactly why AI can't imitate humanity.

Cristina: Because we're insane.

Jack: Yes. We're out of our freaking minds. And we'll pull out a skeleton while being a nun, but for whatever reason, going to a graveyard and dance, because why the f*** not? But a computer, why won't do that? Because it's like. And it can't do that in a way that seems like, yeah, this person would do that if everything feels forced. With a robot.

Cristina: Yeah. They wouldn't do something just randomly. Like, even if it's random, it was a planned random.

Jack: Here's. I figured it out. The reason a robot can't imitate a human is because humans are unpredictable beyond reason, while animals are predictable to a frame fault. So we're having computers imitate the predictable side of animals, not their rational thinking side, which would, in case be the random, chaotic side at the same time, because that's their personality instinct drives other animals too heavily. And in return, a computer struggles to. A computer can imitate the instincts well, but with humans it can't. Because we have this weird ability to ignore an instinct so easily. And a computer creature struggles to emulate that ability. Yes, because it's not a pattern, it's the absence thereof or behavior despite the pattern.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's impossible, even if we are just similar to animals in that we have the ability to add randomness at will. Animals share that with us. But animals also share pattern being their driving force. Like computer. Computer. The computer can imitate the animal, but that's not our driving force anymore.

Cristina: Anymore. Although it does seem like a little bit.

Jack: And it's sprinkled in there, it's still there. It does a lot of things, but it's not like we can behave randomly. You Tell me. I come to you and I'm like, this is a cup. And you're like, no, that's not a cup. But then you can prove to me it's not a cup. I can still choose to ignore that. I can block the information out, you know?

Cristina: I guess.

Jack: Yeah, it's totally rational.

Cristina: Mm. That is. That's very rash, irrational.

Jack: Okay, but computers. Dumb. And they're dumb. Dumber. And humans. Perfect. Anyways.

Cristina: I don't know how, but okay.

Jack: Yeah. But anyways, we're running out of time, and it's. What we basically resolved today is that humans are weird and dumb.

Cristina: That is true.

Jack: And the computers still somehow struggle to imitate the dumb creatures we are.

Cristina: Yeah. How could they imitate? Like, if we had a computer in that crowd looking at Shakira and Navarro, what would it do?

Jack: That's interesting.

Cristina: Why would it, like. I don't know.

Jack: Like, it would freeze up, too. It's the computer. No, that would. That's right. The computer could imitate that moment accurately. Actually.

Cristina: Actually, are you sure?

Jack: I'm pretty sure. The computer would just freeze up too. It'd be like, what the do I do? So it's that the computer can at least imitate dumb people. Oh, you know, like, it couldn't imitate Shakira's reaction. She was like a thinking human there who's like, what the h*** is going on? But, like, it can't imitate. It could imitate the. The dumb people who were just, like, mesmerized by Ooh, Shakira.

Cristina: I'd be like, oh, why would it be like, ooh, Shakira?

Jack: No, it'd be imitating. It knows that's what people would do. And it's easy to imitate because it takes not a lot of work. It's just like, let me do nothing now.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You know, so yeah, computer is sharp. Conditionally. Anyways. Anyways, we're super out of time, you guys. You can, you know, see social stuff, talk to us, send us messages, learn about things, maybe listen to collection and stuff on social stuff on platforms and junk of that nature. You know, things and stuff. So you can do that at Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok. @ JustConvopod.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate, and review the show.

Jack: Yeah. Leave us some stars. Be like, this show's great. Good stars. Or be like, this show sucks. Good stars.

Cristina: Let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yeah, word of mouth. It's very useful. Tell people about how we have proven today objectively, with nothing but science experiments rather than objective opinion. I mean subjective opinion that we have proven that computers are inferior to humans and cannot imitate the superior human intellect.

Cristina: Of course, of course. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks watching for for listening. Bye.

Jack: Oh, the bean itself is the seed.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Plant beans and they will grow, becoming plants such as green beans becoming bean sprouts. Interesting. So a bean is self reproducing and.

Cristina: You'Re saying nuts aren't.

Jack: What the. Okay, usually. Okay, so you plant a nut and you get a tree and the tree drops nuts that you can plant, you grow. The only difference is is one is grown up, the other is grown down. And most peanuts have shells and most beans don't. The end.

Cristina: Nuts grow up though. Only peanuts grow down.

Jack: But peanuts grow under. What the f***? So 1. So is a peanut a bean?

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know. Yes. Right. I don't know. It makes no sense. They're very similar.

Jack: It's very similar. Yeah. Wow. Interesting. We learn something every day.

Cristina: Is a peanut considered a bean? Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

November 20, 2021

Rambling 152: Shinto Shrines

November 20, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who first interacted with the shadow realm? How did they find it? Are churches and shrines related to the shadow realm somehow? And who’s master plan resulting in may churches and shrines throughout the world in order to bring creatures from the shadow realm through? The duo finally start resolving the bigger lingering questions about the shadow realm and the belief systems propped up around the need to bring things from the shadow realm back to base reality. The secret they uncover in the process is a twist they don’t see coming. And the usual suspect seems to be behind it all. Find out who, on this episode!

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Trump vs Biden Battle
Vaccine Propaganda
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Shrines
The Shadow Realm
Vampire Jesus
12 Apostles

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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas and childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So shut up and listen with somebody else.

Cristina: Why do they have to shut up? They could talk with us.

Jack: Yeah, we don't have to listen to them talk.

Cristina: Yeah, we're not listening to them.

Jack: And actually it would make sense if they're having to. They're bringing somebody else to have discussions with and then they're just shutting up and listening. But you know what? Go find somebody to have discussions with about the show and shut the f*** up while you listen.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know. They could talk while they listen to the show and then realize they didn't listen to the show and then have to re. Listen to the show.

Jack: This is why you got to download the show. So you can just, like, have it with you as you continue to talk to people and realize you're missing the show as you're talking to people about the show you're missing.

Cristina: So you gotta give the episode, like, three listens just to get the full picture.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the best way to do it.

Cristina: Yes. That's the right way.

Jack: It's recommended you shut the f*** up to grasp it. But. But also, you can't talk with somebody if you shut the f*** up. So you should make a combination of shutting the f*** up and listening and also having conversations. Yeah, you could do it in either order. At least give it two listens. One should be completely silent. The other should be with conversation.

Cristina: Both should be with two people.

Jack: Both should be with two people.

Cristina: Or more.

Jack: Or more.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: The minimum is two people.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: Why you're quietly sitting next to somebody else to listen. I don't know. But you're gonna do it?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because the children. And cancer.

Cristina: And cancer. That's a lot of cancer.

Jack: That's a lot of cancer.

Cristina: I feel like maybe we should stick to two now that I'm thinking about it. Like, if it's more than two, then everyone's listening through the one device and that means we're getting less plays. Although they are replaying it, but it Would still be better if it's just.

Jack: So only two. It's the minimum and the maximum.

Cristina: Yes, now it is.

Jack: The rule is no more, no less.

Cristina: No. If there's a third person in the room, they gotta listen. No, they can listen to it on their own device.

Jack: Fair enough. Fair enough. They have to listen on a separate thing. Yes, it is illegal. I will pass this law. We will get the President to pass this law so that people are obligated to listen in pairs of two. And if they don't, because all our technology is spying on us, they will know and you will go to jail.

Cristina: The President is gonna stop everyone in the world though.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Because.

Jack: Yes. With the power of friendship.

Cristina: With the power of friendship.

Jack: He's gonna go and be sleepy on them and you're gonna be like, oh, you know what? Pass the law.

Cristina: Sleepy.

Jack: Sleepy Joe.

Cristina: That's horrible. That's a horrible nickname.

Jack: I know, but it sticks, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I've heard so many people. I've heard people on the left call him Sleepy Joe.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah, it's ridiculous. It's just super stuck. Trump won. Like, let's be real.

Cristina: Trump won. That nickname?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Oh, wow.

Jack: Trump won, bro.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He wanted everything and he sucks all at the same time. He's awesome. He's like a weird monster that can't be beat.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's crazy. He's like the super boss and we lost the first fight.

Cristina: Oh. So there has to be another fight.

Jack: There's going to be. He's going to run again. Oh, 2024 Trump.

Cristina: 2024.

Jack: 2024. Some Trump.

Cristina: Exciting.

Jack: It's going to be crazy.

Cristina: And then he's going to try to run again after winning.

Jack: Yeah, he's gonna try to win a third time and people are gonna vote for him anyways. But it's illegal to run again. But there's gonna be some sort of a coup and then like a Star Destroyer is gonna show up and a bunch of ships are gonna fly out of it from the space forest. Yeah.

Cristina: Space warriors. Yeah.

Jack: And that's when we're gonna start shooting from the ground up. And he's gonna board one of the Star Destroyers and go to planet Trump that he has been building. It's a giant like fake looking moon thing.

Cristina: Is that his Space Force is doing all of that?

Jack: Well, actually no Space Force is probably coming in contact with the rabbit people. Or is it called the Claridians or some s*** like that?

Cristina: Yes, that's what you named that. How do you remember that? It's a random word. Is that really. Did you steal that name from something, man?

Jack: Probably. I don't know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I don't know. It's. I don't know why I remember anything. I don't know where I learn anything I remember. I don't know why I have memory of the most weird, obscure ra. Random. But these Claridians. And what do you mean that I made up? This is.

Cristina: If you stole that from something that could be like a Star Trek alien.

Jack: It could totally be, but this is just conversation lure, bro. Okay, so Claridians, according to what? Rabbits are rabbit people inside of a Death Star esque thing. And Trump is gonna ride a Space Force ship. A space Force, like super mega colossal ship too.

Cristina: I forgot the star.

Jack: Just through the. The Death Star.

Cristina: Where do we get these rabbit people from? I feel like it had something to do with elephants, but are there elephant aliens too?

Jack: No, no, no. There was just a Death Star thing in space or some. They were watching us or some.

Cristina: But I don't remember. I feel like there was something that was afraid of them, though.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And. Or something was. No, they were afraid of something that was the cockroach people or something like that they were holding. They were stopping. The cockroach people were basically like Vulcan sauce.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And they were watching over Earth, waiting until we were ready to explore space.

Cristina: And they were stopping the rabid people.

Jack: They were stopping the rabid people from coming to us. Because rabbits, according to. I don't know, we. I don't know, we made it up, I guess. That rabbits are scared of cockroaches.

Cristina: No, I thought there was something about Rab. Rabbits. No. Elephants being afraid of rabbits.

Jack: No. You wanted elephants to be what? Scared of cockroaches.

Cristina: Oh, that's what it was.

Jack: Yes, but there's no reason they would be. So we established that rabbits are what's in the Death Star esque ship that was being held at bay. But the moment we destroyed Mars and the cockroach people dispersed across the galaxy and were no longer centralized, the rabbit people in the Death Star started coming our way.

Cristina: And they're working with Trump.

Jack: Yeah. Trump is going to board them and be the leader of the rabbits. And this is all fact. You can read it in government documents.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This was part of his Space Force plan. So if you want to read more on this, go to spaceforce.org and you will see that I am talking truth. But wait until the episode is over and you've forgotten all about this.

Cristina: Yes, yes. Do it later.

Jack: Yeah, do it Much later. Anyways, as our listeners, shut the f*** up and listen. According to the law that Trump will pass when he becomes a king. Sleepy Joe. You're right, you're right, you're right. And that's why Trump is gonna go to war in the first place. Because he wants to beat Sleepy Joe. But he's gonna be too sleepy. And Trump is gonna swing as Sleepy Joe droops asleep and he's gonna miss his head and Trump is gonna spin all cartoony and get dizzy himself and it's gonna be like in Pokemon where they do conf. Pokemon is all confused.

Cristina: So he's going to confuse himself.

Jack: Yeah, he's going to confuse himself and then he's going to fall over. Cuz he has no balance, which we saw because he can't go up or down a plane successfully. Yes, he like wobbles and he wibbles and wobbles, but he hasn't yet fallen down.

Cristina: But this time he won't.

Jack: But he will fall down because he's going to be dizzy too. Other than just wibbling and wobbling. So as he swings to hit Sleepy Joe during their epic battle on top of like a building. The White House fire. Yes, the White House on fire is on fire.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And it's Sleepy Joe versus Trump on top of the White House. And it's the last epic battle and Trump with his lack of.

Cristina: Do you know why the White House is on fire?

Jack: Trump said it had Trump supporter set it on fire.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then Trump swings and he. Sleepy Joe just falls asleep at that moment. Like, like, like Jigglypuff trying to put him to sleep. You ever stare an animal and like you close your eyes like you're getting sleepy and the animal starts getting sleepy? Yeah, it's like a weird hypnosis you could do on an animal that say that's a trick. Sleepy Joe's pull. That's where he got the name Sleepy Joe.

Cristina: Cuz he puts people.

Jack: He puts people to sleep. It's a trick he learned. He's using psychology, bro. He pretends he's old and incoherent, but nah, it's a trick. It's government mind control.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: To the public, dude, he's falling asleep in front of the world. And the world is falling asleep in front of their screens. What?

Cristina: So he can. When they're not looking, they're looking. Okay. Yeah, that's cool.

Jack: Yeah. So in this epic battle on top of a burning White House, Trump swings totally uncoordinated. He probably would have missed anyways, but he swings, and Sleepy Joe falls asleep at that moment, drooping to the side like Matrix style, dodging the super slow, easily dodgeable punch of Trump. And Trump spins, and now he's dizzy, and he wibbles and wobbles and actually falls down this time.

Cristina: Does he also fall asleep?

Jack: I. I guess maybe. Well, he's. He only falls asleep in front of a tv, so not really.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So. Which is ironic because that's exactly how Sleepy Joe's putting everybody to sleep.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So chances are it's super effective. It's like hitting a water Pokemon with lightning. And it's like. Yeah. Whenever this dude's at. Well, no, When Trump's at home.

Cristina: Oh. When Trump's at home while watching tv.

Jack: Turns on tv, he's just knocked the f*** out. It's critical hit. Super effective.

Cristina: Okay, so he falls off the White.

Jack: House, though, asleep, into a fiery pit of the White House, but Sleepy Joe's asleep, and he burns to death, too. And then we have an anarchistic country that happens to. Functions to. To our surprise, way better. And then peace is established in the United States, and then the rest of the world realizes we should have probably been in an anarchistic state where people make rules amongst each other. And then if somebody is just killing for no reason or abusing people.

Cristina: This is the future you're talking about. When Trump wins again or when Joe Biden is running again or what? Where is this taking place? Is it taking place right now? Did it already take place?

Jack: This is taking place in 2024.

Cristina: 2024.

Jack: Yeah, after. @ the last couple of minutes of the. Of the presidential race.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: But neither of them can run again, can they?

Jack: They're both going to be dead, right? They die at the end of this.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: They both fall into a fiery White House that was set ablaze by the Trump supporters on their second run at the White House, the insurrection.

Cristina: So can someone else just take the. No, no, no.

Jack: This is the end of presidency because all the Trump supporters only believe Trump could be president, and all the sleepy Joe supporters believe you need to go to. And those are the only two ways to run a country. You're either sleeping or supporting Trump.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. Which is weird, because exactly this happens where people are like, wake up, sheeple. Who follow Trump, saying that the people follow Trump. Wake up, sheeple. You're following the wrong. You're being brainwashed. Which is kind of true, because a lot of politicians just kind of push it under the rug. Not to say Trump was trying to liberate anybody.

Cristina: Because he was just the people that are sleeping because Sleepy Joe, aren't they the woke people?

Jack: Well, no, that's the weirdest part. The woke people are kind of the ones asleep. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, I'm not saying Trump was trying to wake anybody up. He's just an idiot who can't shut the f*** up. But as a result of not being able to shut the f*** up, he keeps informing people of what the truth is.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: While the people who were being lied to by the left are being lied to the way politicians have always lied.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They're just like, throw it under the rug. Like, still to this day, nobody understands vaccines.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Because propaganda.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: By the left.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Nobody understands vaccines. Obviously. The right is also stupid. It's poisoning you, you f****** idiot. You don't know how s*** works. But the left is also really dumb. Everybody. I got a vaccine to protect my daughter. From what? If you catch it, you'll still pass it. From what? What are you. You couldn't. You've been convinced that if you take the vaccine, you can't get it, you can't get it. And if you somehow. If me. If you still believe you can get it for whatever reason, you can't pass it. It's. It's very confusing. People are idiots.

Cristina: If you get it, you can't pass it. That's what they think.

Jack: If he believes he can still get it, then he believes he can't pass it. Or he believes he can't get it because he got vaccinated. Either. Or he believes one of those two things is happening. I got vaccinated, so I can't catch it. Or if I catch it, I can't pass it because he's protecting his daughter. I got my vaccine to protect my daughter.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like, from what? What the f***? The rapists outside is the vaccine keeping them away? I don't get what you're protecting them from.

Cristina: You don't know that.

Jack: I mean, I guess it could be. It's the same way toilet paper protects against corona.

Cristina: Exactly. Like, doesn't really need to make sense. It just has to sound right.

Jack: It just has to sound right. And this is all propaganda, man. It's crazy. People don't know s***. The woke people are, tragically, the ones following Trump and the people who are calling themselves woke, or tragically, the ones the most asleep. Not to say that the ones following Trump are really woke. It's just compared to the ones following anything else, essentially. Like, if you're on a political team and it's not Trump. You're more asleep than if you're following Trump. But you're not, like, fully woke if you're following Trump, because Trump's also just a troll.

Cristina: Anyone awake?

Jack: No, nobody's fully awake.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because Trump's not out to help you. No, he's out for.

Cristina: Is he awake?

Jack: He's. He. H*** yeah. Trump knows, bro. And he knows of his followers are morons that will follow anything he says and believe whatever the h***. He's fully aware of that, and he abuses that fact. Trump followers are dumb, bro. They're stupid, bro. But, like, Miles, we're talking s***. You could prove yourself in your kitchen with just random s*** at random times of day. You don't even need to, like, you don't need a list of it. You can just prove things that he has spewed and prove them wrong. But they're more right than the other side, which is where the problem is. Because they can be like, but you're wrong. And it's like, okay, you're right about that, but you're not right. You're just right about them being wrong. What?

Cristina: Wait, what?

Jack: The Trump followers are right in calling the left wrong. Okay, but they themselves aren't right. But they think that because they can prove the other side is wrong. They have proven that they're right. No, you've proven that they're wrong.

Cristina: Okay, then who's right?

Jack: Nobody, because you're following a bunch of politicians who are out for themselves and pinning you against each other so that they can manipulate change the laws around you to milk you for your money.

Cristina: Who can people trust, though?

Jack: Me.

Cristina: You?

Jack: I will literally just blow up the rabbit, people.

Cristina: The rabbit You. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: And then our problem is solved because they're coming to attack us.

Cristina: How do we know that?

Jack: We don't. But let's assume they are to protect ourselves. Because if we don't assume they are.

Cristina: That'S what we did with them.

Jack: If we don't assume they're coming to kill us and they come to this planet and they befriend us, and then they flip overnight order 66 us, then. Then what do we do? We didn't see it coming.

Cristina: 66 US?

Jack: Yeah, it's a Star wars order that was given to the clones that flipped them and they killed all the Jedi.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah, they order 66 us because their leader gave the orders time to dispose of the humans and they could build a f****** like Death Star. Come on. We're not winning, so we gotta stop them before they get Here. Are they coming to kill us? I can't tell you for sure, but do we want to find out if they're coming here to kill us?

Cristina: Maybe.

Jack: I mean, it's real.

Cristina: It's real.

Jack: It's real. Like, maybe we just need to let it happen.

Cristina: What if that's the solution?

Jack: Just the rest of the universe is at peace after that?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No more humans. Universe at peace.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, what if every. Like there's mad crap happening around us because we exist?

Jack: Yeah, it could totally be. Chances are the 90,000 satellites that we've put into space is f****** something up.

Cristina: Yeah. What if one of them turned alive and it's like. It's a robot destroying a world in some other.

Jack: It's totally possible. Look, a bunch of crash together.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Some sort of sentient thinking satellite.

Cristina: What if that happens?

Jack: And then we keep sending technology that keeps getting destroyed out here, and it just sends signals that reanimates it. And he builds an army of a bunch of different machines that slowly then start to form a sort of hive mentality. Eventually, some other race lands on the. Hey, there's some technologies on here. Let's go see it. And the machine attacks them and then merges with their body. And now they have a physical being with rocket technology already prepared because they landed there. And they use that rocket technology to leave and go land on some other planet where there's an entire civilization. And they, hey, look at this cool cyborg thing that came to visit us. And it's like, yes, I'm a cool cyborg. I came to visit you in the middle of the night. Just starts turning people into robots before you know it.

Cristina: Exactly. Oh, what if we started the Borg without even knowing?

Jack: I mean, the Borg were human.

Cristina: The original one.

Jack: I believe so. I think they were human to begin with. And there's something about time travel or some crap like that that is really complicated.

Cristina: What? So, yeah, okay.

Jack: We could have started the Borg.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Also, that theory that f******. Oh, my God. That's never going to leave my mind.

Cristina: The Terminator.

Jack: The Terminator came back in time to stop Connor because Connor in the future is Neo. Get the f*** out of here.

Cristina: That's crazy. Yeah. What if we made that though somewhere else?

Jack: Yeah, man. It's totally possible. It's totally possible.

Cristina: We don't know what we're doing.

Jack: We don't.

Cristina: That's why those rabbits are coming here.

Jack: Look, it's possible. We don't know. But also, like, I like awareness.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So it's like, we might be the problem. But also I like awareness.

Cristina: Yeah. So let's live and then after we're dead though the world.

Jack: No, no, no. We stopped them from coming here. For whatever reason they're coming here. In fact, we don't just stop them from coming here. I'm not really just. I'm over just murdering people. We have no cockroach people on Mars that we can question and study.

Cristina: We have your wife.

Jack: Yeah, but I'm not gonna do that to her. Okay, that's a problem. You know, so rather than just blowing up a problem. Fair enough. We're surprised we're gonna blow up, but we're gonna send a team over there to kidnap an entire few families of these rabbit. Yeah. So we can torture them primarily and also maybe question them. If we're torturing them, we're already at it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Might as well get some questions.

Cristina: Maybe the questions first and then the torture. I don't know, I don't know how it works. I mean, combo of both.

Jack: I mean, if we want to learn about them, I guess we can question them primarily. Just torture them would be cool.

Cristina: But I don't know, we should confuse them. Like I'm sure they'll be confused, give them presents randomly. Oh, I like that. I don't know those part of the torture.

Jack: And also we should test to see how similar to earth rabbits they are. Are Earth rabbits? Is Earth just a giant TV show like in South Park?

Cristina: Yes. Where's zoo?

Jack: Where just a bunch of random s*** was put. And it's like, let's see how it works out. But it's like there were sentient f****** like fully aware, conscious, technologically advanced rabbits. We know it. They're coming our way. So are they related?

Cristina: Are they on the moon? Where are these robots?

Jack: No, I mean rabbits on a Death Star.

Cristina: On a Death Star somehow related to Trump. You said he's on that Death Star.

Jack: No, he's gonna board a Star Destroyer and head there and then he's gonna return for the presidential election where he's gonna die in an epic battle with Sleepy Joe on top of the White House.

Cristina: But his army are the rabbits.

Jack: Well, his army, I guess, when he's attacking because there is gonna be an epic shoot shooting battle where we're shooting up and they're shooting down and like stuff is gonna, is gonna go down or maybe they win. We don't want to find out. Okay, we're gonna change history.

Cristina: Is he secretly a rabbit? Like how does he communicate with them?

Jack: They probably have, they have a Death Star. I'm sure they have A translator.

Cristina: Okay, what does he have? Oh, he has the horse, Space Force. But that's being still run by him.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's still run by him. Nobody runs Space Force but Trump. That's where he's hiding right now, at.

Cristina: Space Force headquarters with them at this moment to take over.

Jack: The Star Destroyer is being built so he could board it and fly up to the Death Star.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: And then join them in their attack of Earth.

Cristina: So we gotta stop them before that happens.

Jack: Before that happens.

Cristina: I don't know, but that sounds really epic.

Jack: Sounds cool, right?

Cristina: Yes. The giant white house thing. Like, couldn't we just wait and watch that and then have some kind of plan to stop it at that moment?

Jack: Look, if we did watch that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We need to hire a film crew to capture it in the greatest lighting from the best angles so that later we can play this to the public and wake them up to the fact that there was an epic fight.

Cristina: I don't know if we should do that. I feel like that's how our. We will die and get clones.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: I don't know. Are we supposed to be. I don't know. What?

Jack: We don't work for the government.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: We expose the government.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. It's a very confusing job. I don't know what we can say.

Jack: Do nothing bad about the Illuminati because they are great.

Cristina: Okay. That's it.

Jack: Everybody else sucks and lies to the people. The Illuminati tells them the truth when.

Cristina: The government works for the Illuminati. Was Trump works for the Illuminati?

Jack: No. It doesn't matter because we're not talking s*** about the Illuminati. Trump is clearly correct.

Cristina: Name is out of the table.

Jack: But anyone else out of the table.

Cristina: Who could be related to them and Jesus, maybe.

Jack: We're not sure. We haven't been killed yet.

Cristina: And Jesus.

Jack: We talked a lot of s*** about Jesus. We haven't died yet.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So I think we might have touched something wrong when we were like, is Jesus Lucifer? And does Lucifer run the government or the Illuminati?

Cristina: Whatever. Yeah.

Jack: And it's like, okay, maybe we got a little close to fire there. But I don't know if that's accurate because nothing has happened to us.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: Like, our. Our boss is probably Lucifer.

Cristina: Maybe.

Jack: Like, probably. Probably.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: But is he Jesus? Well, we've talked a lot of s*** about Jesus, and we know the boss of the Illuminati will just get rid of us.

Jack: So it's probably Just Lucifer. Probably work for the devil.

Cristina: I don't know. Or it could be a robot. I don't know. Yeah, like, it could be any. It could be a rabbit person for all we know.

Jack: He could. That's the craziest f****** plot twist. It could totally be.

Cristina: It could be anything.

Jack: It could totally be rabbit.

Cristina: Could have been a roach person. But I feel like we'd be dead now if it was a roach person.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Or maybe that's why one of our clones died was because it was the roach people and they didn't like what we did because we were involved in that roach war that I did not want to be a part of.

Jack: Well, no, because we specifically died for talking s***. The very next time is when those clones were gotten rid of.

Cristina: Mmm. Okay, so it's not the roach people. Okay.

Jack: I mean, it could be the roach people, but it wasn't because of what happened to the roach people. Because then we would have died immediately after what happened to the roach people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which wasn't the case.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It could be a rabbit person as well. But, like, what the f*** are they on their way for then? There's already running the show.

Cristina: Okay, so what are we gonna do? We're gonna let them come here? We're gonna stop them before.

Jack: I mean, I like the idea of recording the epic battle.

Cristina: Well, we still had to find God. Well, that happens before that because that's in 2001.

Jack: 2004.

Cristina: 24. So, yeah. Yeah, we got a while for that.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, we got a regular head groundhog that we already got, you know, hoping to see how that goes. My throat's healing up. I can talk.

Cristina: Yeah. So we're gonna meet God before that.

Jack: Yeah, we're meeting God way before Trump runs again. And there's an epic space battle for Earth and the White House between Sleepy Joe and Donald Trump.

Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty cool.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: I don't know which part is cooler, but it's happening. Maybe God will watch the fight with us.

Jack: Maybe God knows the right connect to have the best film crew record this.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Maybe you can just talk to Colin Bressler.

Cristina: Colin?

Jack: Oh, yeah.

Cristina: He could help us get him to come back.

Jack: And it's like, colin, this is your day, bro. We need you to record Donald Trump and Sleepy Joe fighting to the death.

Cristina: Atop of a flaming white house.

Jack: A flaming white house? Yeah.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Which was set ablaze by the Trump supporters on the second Insurrection.

Cristina: And then somehow the Death Star is coming.

Jack: Yes, that's where Trump is on. He's gonna Be on the Death Star by that point.

Cristina: Oh, he comes down through the Death Star. The Death Star doesn't do anything. It just.

Jack: It's gonna be shooting at Earth with laser. With lasers and stuff. And then all the weird laser weapons that we didn't know Earth had are suddenly gonna, like, random holes on the floor gonna open, and, like, up is gonna come giant laser weapons.

Cristina: How do we have laser weapons in the pyramids? Why do we need random.

Jack: It's not a laser weapon. It's a transportation device.

Cristina: I thought it was both.

Jack: I mean, I guess configure it for that. That was just a theory. The conclusion was it's a transporter.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: It's a teleport across the universe.

Cristina: I thought it was one and then became the other. I don't know.

Jack: That's how the cat people got to the great void.

Cristina: Oh, so we have to find lasers.

Jack: Yeah. And the whole point of getting God is to get to the cat people. So we got a lot of people. There's cat people, there's rabbit people, there's cockroach people, there's reptile people and.

Cristina: No elephant people.

Jack: No elephant people. The flip side, the interesting part about this is that talking back about the groundhog known as God, we suspect that he is in the shadow realm.

Cristina: The shadow who? Oh, the beaver. Okay, groundhog. I mean, groundhog.

Jack: The groundhog known as God is in the shadow realm. And we were talking about how similar some of this stuff sounded to Shinto that also has, like, spirits from this other side and some similar behaviors we've noticed. And the shadow realm and crap like that. And I.

Cristina: You mentioned Shinto and something else. Or you found out that the other thing was. Was actually just Shinto.

Jack: What was the other thing?

Cristina: I don't know. You were con. You thought there was two things.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It turned out just to be Shinto, but. So I went down the Shinto rabbit hole.

Cristina: Rabbit hole. Okay.

Jack: I went down the Shinto rab.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And isn't it weird? There's just like a bunch of supernatural ghostly things and a bunch of sciency s*** that happens around us all the time that the rest of the world doesn't even know happens.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What a weird reality that we exist in.

Cristina: So what's happening in the Shinto rabbit hole?

Jack: So the Shinto rabbit hole we. So I jumped in, I looked at. I did a bunch of extensive research about Shinto to see how accurate we are about spirits and stuff and whether adrenochrome is there and, like, what's happening you know all these details. Okay, so let's go through a couple of things. Shinto is considered the religion of nature.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Similar to Native American spiritualism, it is the only other thing considered to be purely based on nature.

Cristina: Those are the two.

Jack: Yes. And both of these two belief systems do not have scripture. That is very important. They do not have any scripture that dictates anything. So you don't have morality codes. There's no right or wrong.

Cristina: Do you have, like, stories or something?

Jack: No, there's no scriptures. Nothing.

Cristina: There's nothing.

Jack: There's nothing. People made things afterwards of personal experience, but there's no scripture.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There is just the belief that you protect nature. Now, what's weird about this is that these two belief systems happened. One in the United States. Well, not the United States. America before the United States, in Gaia. And the other one happened in Japan.

Cristina: Very opposite.

Jack: Very like. Yeah, we're pretty far away from each other. And the belief systems are very similar. It's both of nature and the spirits of nature and how everything is alive. And you want to create harmony or nature will turn on you, but has.

Cristina: To do with spirits and stuff. Right.

Jack: This is the best way to convey. At least in Shinto. Yeah, it's the best way to convey it as spirits. While in spiritualism, Native American spiritualism, it's closer to, like, all things are consciously living at all times, even in a way we don't comprehend. But if you were to simplify it, it's ultimately the spirit of the thing. Okay, so those are, like, baseline things to think about. The spirits are called kami, at least in Japan, in the Shinto, because we're not really talking about Native American spiritualism. Visit that one day. And it focuses on the spirits that inhabit all things. So rivers, mountains, waterfalls, everything that's in nature. Yeah, the natural world, the spirits of the natural world. And a lot of the traditions that take place, take place around shrines. And shrines are usually placed next to whatever thing it is that has the spirit that you're catering to.

Cristina: Is the shrine like a gateway or it's just like a tombstone? Like.

Jack: Well, the shrine is possibly a gateway. Could be. It could also be some sort of focal point or something. So we know that we need fear. Fear to, like, sufficient amounts of fear. Summons. That's the best word associated with Shinto. Summons the creature. Right. We know that if you are scared enough, you can summon a wet judge. You can summon a. By accident. Not literally summon, but the manifest.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because they need the fear or adrenochrome. Those are the two things?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So they manifest on this side from the should they exist in the shadow realm. And the more concentrated fear there is, the more they can manifest on this side as a sort of ethereal kind of being. It looks like the shrine's purpose is ultimately something along those lines. Obviously, the teachings of Shinto don't say it that way.

Cristina: Don't include fear or blood or anything.

Jack: The shrine is where you go to worship the kamiyah and offer your offerings towards the kami. So you go there to pray, you take it food, you take it money, you do these things for the kami. Great. Fantastic. Phenomenal. But the reason that you pray to the kami and this actually goes to the priests. So there's priests that usually take care of the shrine, and the priests are usually called kanushi. The kanushi, they're praying to him? No, the people are praying to the kami.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The priests purpose there is to maintain the shrine and also be part of the offerings and things that are given to the kami. He helps and assists with all that, maintains the shrine, keeps it clean and helps along with worship when people. When there's celebrations and stuff, when the seasons change and stuff, there's worship rituals and whatnot. But the purpose of these worships and the very specific purpose of the kami, which I found very fascinating that they chose this word selection, was to establish harmony between humans and the kami. The idea being that the kami are otherwise naturally hostile to people, which I find interesting.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then there's a location where you can bring it things. There's a. So how the prayer goes, you bring it the offering, you ring a bell to attract its attention, you clap and then you pray. So you give it an offering. Yeah, the bell. You bring the offering first. You ring the bell to attract its attention, you clap, and then you pray. And so you've attracted its attention and the process begins. And then you pray and whatever. And so you're trying to make it happy. The commie is trying to be happy because you're trying to make it.

Cristina: But the priest is making sure that it won't like attack or something.

Jack: Yes, the priest guides the big rituals. And the priest is there consistently keeping the kami at bay or unaggressive.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: So that's very, very interesting because there is aggression there which falls perfectly in line with the creatures of the shadow realm when they manifest on our side, at least the majority of them, they manifest. And they seem aggressive.

Cristina: Yes, they do.

Jack: Which I Find interesting.

Cristina: Maybe because they're not offering the right things.

Jack: No, the offerings are to bring them down.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The offering is to calm it down. So they are creatures. Now, here's the interesting point. You come here to give it an offering to assist with calming it down. You're already assuming it needs to be calmed down. You have a tiny little bit of fear.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: And there's a focal point where, throughout the course of the day, many people are gonna pass by that same spot.

Cristina: With enough fear building up throughout the day.

Jack: Yes. Tiny little increments, but enough people throughout the course of the day. Weeks, months. Just feeding this commie and allowing it to remain on this side.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: There is a way to summon these things intentionally.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And the shrine is the way to do it.

Cristina: And sometimes they are aggressive to people. They probably have killed people too, in stories that they've told of these things.

Jack: Yeah. 100%. It's totally possible. And, yeah, the stories do say that there are, like. Of course, there's no way to prove it, but there's also no way to disprove it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So it seems like, yes, the shrine is a focal point, a gateway. I don't know. Because it seems like the only real way across for somebody from this side is adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yeah. And for them, who knows how they get here? Fear they have. Oh, fear.

Jack: They manifest with fear.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So a shrine allows a focal point where people continuously cross. They keep coming to the same spot with that same amount of fear. You're coming there to. Hopefully I can help in assisting the angry kami. Calms down.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so that happens 20, 30, 40, 50 times a day.

Cristina: And it's slowly feeding on you.

Jack: And it slowly feeds on that energy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And allows it to remain on this side. While if the shrines were destroyed and people were no longer coming through, Maybe there'd be nothing.

Cristina: Maybe there'd be nothing. No, that can't. That can't be right.

Jack: It needs the fear to manifest. This was tactically placed here by somebody who was fully aware of the kami ahead of time. And allowing the kami to manifest, it's possible that the first iteration of the groundhog known as Jehovah, was through some sort of shrine. Not only that, we can argue that if people are collecting on the same field around the same hole around the same time every year.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Waiting for this groundhog is the equivalent of being around a shrine.

Cristina: I don't know if they need a shrine, though. I feel like they can come around anything, but it's just Easier to get to the trine because they know that's the spot where this food is. That will be easy for them. Because I'm pretty sure they've been attacked in other places. Like there's a lot of stories of being attacked near water.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. You're missing the point super entirely. It's places where fear is dominant.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That is the whole point. The shrine doesn't matter.

Cristina: No.

Jack: It's the fact that people come with fear to the shrine throughout the day.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If you remove the focal point, then there's no manifestation at the focal point. You've reduced how much percent. There's a hundred thousand shrines in Japan.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: If you destroyed all hundred thousand and people just stopped coming because there's no more shrines to go to. You're not collecting the fear energy anywhere.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And thus you have less creatures from the shadow realm coming to the mortal realm.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Now God the groundhog is doing the same thing with people collecting to tell us the weather, the seasons or whatever f*** is happening.

Cristina: Yeah. He has a specific home where he comes out of. Yes.

Jack: And it's really because there's a crap ton of people there. Now these people are already superstitious. And who are the people most likely to believe in religion?

Cristina: Superstitious.

Jack: Superstitious people. So you gather a bunch of superstitious people to follow a superstition around a place in which a person that require and they're fearing what? It's a United States. It's most likely they're fearing God. So a bunch of God fearing people come around and they're already fearing for the season. You know, season. Hopefully our crops, man. Oh my God.

Cristina: We might starve to death in winter.

Jack: Crops manifestation. Groundhog suddenly shows up. It all falls into place.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it seems like the creator of Shinto was fully aware of the shadow realm. Not only that he was trying to merge the shadow realm with the mortal realm.

Cristina: What? He's trying to do what again?

Jack: To merge. Merge it to bring as much from over there over here. So shrines kept popping up and kept popping up as the belief was spread further. Who began spreading the belief?

Cristina: Who?

Jack: There's no way to know. I tried to find. They don't know. Nobody knows. Nobody knows where they know. It began in Japan. They don't know how long ago exactly. And they don't know how it began to spread.

Cristina: It spread outside of Japan.

Jack: It spread outside of Japan, but it began in Japan.

Cristina: Yeah. But can you find shrines outside of Japan?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In other Parts of Asia, primarily.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Interesting. Right? Somebody covered their tracks effectively.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So there was an attempt.

Cristina: It was Jesus. Remember he ran away to Japan after he died. He lived in a town there with his wife and children.

Jack: Interesting. That could totally be the case. And it's possible Jesus is also the one who made the. What's known now as the hole that God comes out of. But it's possible that all these things are perpetuated by the same guy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He was out here in different iterations, taking on different names, like some sort of outlaw on the run, pretending to be different people wherever he was so they couldn't be. So he couldn't be tracked.

Cristina: All this goes back to Jesus?

Jack: All this goes back to Jesus, I guess. That's weird.

Cristina: That's weird. But also, Jesus leads back to God, which I guess is the important thing.

Jack: Yeah, because really, Jesus isn't God. He's a guy who somehow knows about.

Cristina: The shadow realm because he has a special communication with God, though, through the shadow realm, I'm guessing.

Jack: How did he get that communication to begin with?

Cristina: Psst. I don't know.

Jack: I mean, I guess. I guess his drinking blood. Because we know Jesus is the first vampire.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: Which means he has already some form of access to the shadow room. We know he did in fact, die.

Cristina: Yes, but he came back.

Jack: Well, he went to the shadow realm. That means even the Jesus we see.

Cristina: It'S the vampire Jesus.

Jack: That was interesting, because he died as a vampire. Well, he's only a zombie when it's feral.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: And he had the vampire things going on. That's how he was doing his magic tricks and confusing people and crap like that. And then he got killed for being a vampire, essentially. And then because he was so hopped up and so well medicated on adrenochrome, his soul crosses over to the shadow realm, where he then meets God and communicating over there. And not only that, he gets over there and then he communicates with the creatures who have clean passage, like fairies and leprechauns and s***, that they can jump freely from the shadow realm into the mortal realm without needing adrenochrome. And then he's like, oh, you know what? Now that I think about this, there's one guy who's involved in all this, and it always comes back to this.

Cristina: Is it Saint Patrick?

Jack: It's Saint Patrick, bro. It's always Saint Patrick.

Cristina: How's he related?

Jack: Saint Patrick understood the fairies.

Cristina: He did? Well, he was against them, though. He got them out of Ireland. Yes.

Jack: How does he know how to remove a creature that is pure magic.

Cristina: He.

Jack: He had weird. He's like salmon, Dean. He had weird research that the rest of us didn't have access to.

Cristina: Well, supposedly God helped him.

Jack: God wasn't real yet. He had the stories of God and like, you know, all these BS things. Yes, but somehow the fairies and leprechauns, I could freely jump back and forth.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Jesus on the other side, having been a native to decide and the first person to consume copious amounts of adrenochrome, thus allowing him to be the first person to cross over and then realize, holy s***.

Cristina: Maybe he knew the truth about Jesus because we know that the church is keeping secrets because they create monsters themselves.

Jack: Yeah, fair enough.

Cristina: So he might have that knowledge.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. So you think. Well, he's actually. Where? He works for the church.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So you think he knew about the death of Jesus and then St. Patrick decided, what if I can summon. No, you got to know you can summon him first. That's the problem. It doesn't matter what creatures you're making on this side. They fade out to the other side. Then what they're do to going, gone. Okay, great. But how do you know you can bring something back? There's a point here in which shrines are coming up to bring s*** from the shadow realm. That's the part that's missing. And somehow Jesus from that side, already dead, only took three days to figure it out and pop up on the other side.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Was it the fear of his family?

Cristina: What?

Jack: The fear of his family. Now he can see his family from that side. He sees them as ghosts, as faded people walking around. But they don't see him. That's how the shadow realm works. Yeah, so is the fear they're feeling that they're gonna come for us now because we were his family. Did that help him manifest? And then he pops up and he's like, holy, I'm on this side.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Because they kept visiting the grave too.

Cristina: Yes. Maybe the grave created some type of portal he just came through. From their fear, he manifested.

Jack: Yes. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That their continuous visit of the grave created enough focused fear because they're gonna come for us eventually.

Cristina: Maybe not just his family, but like, all the followers.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Anybody on anyone? Yeah.

Jack: And so this immense amount of. We're all gonna die. They killed him. They're coming for us.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's so much fear that he popped up. That he popped up?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I mean, there were 12 other vampires, bro. Let's be real. They were scared, too. They're like, oh, s***, we're next.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There was enough fear going around. And then he pops up, and then a moment comes and he goes. And he's like, okay, I have no idea what the f*** is happening, but I feel I'm fading away. I need you guys to figure out, because I saw the other side and I was there. I was there. Let's call it Heaven. He didn't have a name for yet. Shadow Realm, obviously. But let's call it Heaven. And I'm on the other side. I saw it. I was there. I witnessed it. Look, guys, I feel like the opposite of the feeling I had coming over here is currently happening to me. So I'm assuming if that's the case, it means I'm fading away the same way I faded in before. That happens. I'm here. Look. You guys see me? Everybody sees me. Yes, we all see you. We don't know how the f*** you're here, but, yeah, okay.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Something happened. Figure it the f*** out.

Cristina: And you think they figured it out?

Jack: Twelve apostles who are fully aware and communicated with Jesus firsthand after his death.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And now they know there's something else, and we can bring him back. We don't know how it happened, but we know what happened. He doesn't know how it happened either.

Cristina: And they sent him to Japan after that.

Jack: Well, I don't know. He was already in Japan, probably. Oh, hidden Japan. I don't know. Do some.

Cristina: And then how does Ireland.

Jack: I don't know. I was just assuming that this douchebag who has connections to crap coming in and out was probably connected, but probably not. He's probably just making monsters himself. Who knows? But we know Jesus came back. Yes, probably because of the fear of everybody. And he got it. We know he communicated with everybody. And then he's gone again. Right. Some step is missing there that then led to shrines.

Cristina: Besides that, he just goes there and he makes.

Jack: He probably went and talked to fairies, right? And he's like, do you guys know. Do you guys get it? It's like, well, we have clean passage, but. But the reason you popped up over there is simply because fear, energy pushes you over there. Maybe he got the information from some leprechauns, some fairies. They were just like, well, really? Really. If people are scared enough, some of these creatures have the ability. Most of anything in here can just manifest on that side. Fear is the connecting link.

Cristina: Yeah. I didn't feel like he would have known that somehow because of the Whole blood drinking.

Jack: Well, no, he wasn't drinking blood to cross over. He was drinking blood for its attributes of power.

Cristina: Oh, okay. He was probably knowing that.

Jack: No idea Shadow Realm existed.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Gotta hold the blood. He's like, wow, I'm strong. Holy s***, I'm smarter. He didn't, like, think Shadow Realm. Oh, yeah, Blood equals Shadow Realm.

Cristina: If it makes him smarter. Maybe he figured it out once he was brought back. He was like, oh, crap, I saw that you guys were sad or whatever.

Jack: Like, that's loose, thoughts connected, you need some confirmation. Which I'm.

Cristina: Well, maybe that's what he tested out in Japan with the temple temples. Maybe those were tests.

Jack: I don't think they were tests. I think the shrines were there intentionally. Some information had to be solid. It wasn't like a random gamble. That would make zero sense for him to just conclude.

Cristina: No, because then the world would be covered in temples, though. Why would he just cover one place in temples? I feel like once he realized I don't need these temples, like, this was a good practice and they did work, but I don't actually need it because in other places it still works the same.

Jack: No, no, no, no. Because you're missing one very important piece.

Cristina: What's that?

Jack: How religion itself changed in structure to say, you're not just all gonna die, only those of you who haven't repented. So you can go and ask for forgiveness. Where?

Cristina: The church.

Jack: The church. Okay, now the church has a greater purpose other than it doesn't matter where you are when you are. No. Take your fear to one spot and be cleansed there. Because God now does a cleansing process the same way the kami. You go there, you pray to create that harmony.

Cristina: Yeah. I think he brought that knowledge and then did the church thing. Like that was Tess. It worked out. But he's like, how can I do continue?

Jack: I think it was Tess. I think it was functional. Yeah, I think it was all functional. Because the problem is the date in which this starts is precisely the dates surrounding Jesus. It's all around the first couple of years that we count.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which means it wasn't that he ran tests and then. Oh, they work. Let me go over there and apply it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No, no, no. It happened simultaneously everywhere on Earth.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Everything just changed. To go into the building and you will be forgiven.

Cristina: Oh, at the same time as the temple?

Jack: At the same time as the temples.

Cristina: Huh? I wonder why. I guess just because it made more sense in the different places.

Jack: The problem is we already had churches.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it wasn't doing that beforehand. So it was impossible for us to connect the dots because it was just like, well, religions naturally evolve over time, blah, blah, blah. No, but this didn't exist in Japan.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They just suddenly had shrines.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so that gives us the information we need because at the same time, the shrines showed up also. New Testament forgiving God, so long as you go and get forgiven.

Cristina: Yes, but then it all leads back to Jesus, though.

Jack: It all leads back to Jesus.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes, but it wasn't a test. No, it was definitely not a test. Because if it was a test, there would be a discrepancy in time.

Cristina: No, but I guess he might have tried to bring the church to those places, but it didn't work out. So he was like, oh, these temples worked out.

Jack: No, there's no need for the church. He affected the churches that already existed because there were already churches.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But had there not been churches, he would have just thrown temples because there's no reason to. How long would it take to influence an entire thing with a whole religion? Just abuse the religion they already have.

Cristina: Okay, okay, I see.

Jack: This way you could show up anywhere whenever you want.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: As opposed to slowly picking at, we gotta force religion to. Well, let me show up where my homies are and tell them, hey, guys, I can't show up over there. Go and force religion over there. It might take 300 years, but sometimes.

Cristina: That did happen, though.

Jack: Yeah, but no, they were. They already had their own religion. Oh, and then Christianity tried to force itself on there because while Shinto has a shrine, it doesn't have mass. So people show up independently. Yeah, when they want. There's no central. Nobody controls Shinto. There's no center, focus. So you go, you pray whenever you want, however you want, whatever you feel like it. But you come with that little bit of fear. You don't even realize you have the difference between churches. You can manifest Jesus easy. Put a hundred people in a room all at the same time.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Nevertheless, he tricked everybody into thinking a specific day is better than all the others. So you can. Can get a bunch of people collected in a bunch of places all at the same time and have mass fear energy accumulated, allowing him to move freely through earth.

Cristina: Yes, this makes sense.

Jack: So then they start pushing that where other religions just had small numbers. But important enough was at least he could already show up over there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it was a matter of we need them to be able to believe they could be forgiven or cleansed by going to this specific location, allowing me to manifest. And then Move freely.

Cristina: That's pretty amazing. Maybe he made some type of deal with these creatures because there had to be other creatures that wanted the same type of travel crap.

Jack: Ton of creatures coming through.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Problem is, too many of them are just feral creatures. Yes, a wolf that just ate a human.

Cristina: But that's why the church are fighting those creatures with their own creatures. Oh, maybe they were fighting not for good, but just for control. They have to get rid of those type of aggressive creatures for their own creatures to be okay.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: That's pretty cool.

Jack: I mean, not for their own creatures to be okay. They made creatures to fight the creatures. It was to keep the people okay.

Cristina: Yeah, because they still need enough people to make the fear to get the person that they actually care about moving around and whatever.

Jack: The church probably had no idea. There's no way the church would intentionally allow people to come from the dead. That would defeat too many purposes and too many already established narratives. You gotta understand, a single con man was in charge here. The same con man that was conning everybody all the time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's no giant conspiracy of the Church trying to bring people over?

Cristina: No, I'm not saying that. Just to protect what he wants. Protected? I don't know.

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: That they're fighting off these creatures so that we don't die.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: Because they need that blood to continue doing magic and whatever.

Jack: Got you. Yes, yes. I thought you meant like they wanted the churches and the shrines and crap to bring things from the other side.

Cristina: No, I mean, maybe Jesus, but yeah, Jesus, definitely. And there are other saints because supposedly saints are all magical beings as well.

Jack: Say it again.

Cristina: The saints are also magical beings as well. So they might also be bringing back those people. I don't know. I know. Their blood is magic.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: I don't know if it relates.

Jack: Probably. I'm assuming anybody who worked for the church had some connection to adrenochrome. Ah, yes, because that's the lineage that Jesus left behind. But he left behind a special secret when he showed up in person after his death. And the only people who knew that were the 12 apostles. Aka the other vampires.

Cristina: Yes. You think those vampires are still around?

Jack: They could be. We know that there's ancients. Are those the ancient vampires?

Cristina: Maybe the ancients, yeah, there's some that.

Jack: Are recorded having died. They're in the Bible. You know, they biblically lost their lives. I don't know if all of them dead. I don't remember if all of them died. Those might be the ancients. They might still be around some of. And I know that, man. It's possible that Muhammad is just Jesus by a different name. Because the other question here is, if the fear is consistent enough and you from the shadow realm know how to use it well enough, can you just permanently exist over here? You know, like, if it's permanently. Yeah. So you're wild, wet judge. You're in the shadow realm, and you require fear to show up. People in Japan call you a kami, and they tame you by giving you offerings and distractions, and then you don't hurt people. But you're not aware that you can wander the shadow realm to different pockets of this energy because you're just a wild animal and you're protecting your territory. You're in one area, and it's a similar replica of the mortal realm in the shadow realm. So, you know, like any other animal, you hang out in your territory.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But Jesus is like, I can like, pop in and now where the f*** I want. Because I have the conscious awareness that I can go wherever. Which then brings up an interesting point. People who are haunted by spirits of other people can be haunted by those spirits anywhere they go. You could live in this house, be haunted. You could go across the planet and realize you're still being haunted. And it's because that's a thinking person who's in the other side and knows, yeah, they can go to this other spot and use that pocket of energy.

Cristina: But those aren't ghosts, are they? They're just creatures that look like you're jinn. Yeah, like, I forgot. What's that lady called? The Weeping? No, the Banshee.

Jack: Yeah, the banshee.

Cristina: She can follow you.

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: Follows people. So. And she might not be anyone specific. Although people did come up with different histories of who she might be. Yeah, Just might be people, but might not be people. It's hard to tell.

Jack: Interesting, right?

Cristina: Yeah. Do we die and end up over there? I don't think so.

Jack: Well, this is the most interesting part about all this research is the fact that dead people can become kami according to Shinto belief.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yes. Which tells us a lot of what I'm saying has been confirmed.

Cristina: Okay, what, like, what kind of people become kami? Or it could just anyone.

Jack: Yeah, Anybody could become a kami.

Cristina: They don't have to do anything special.

Jack: Nope. There's no rules in Shinto.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Interesting, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: I wonder how they got that idea. It's got VP's original commie was Jesus. All right.

Jack: Interesting, right?

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: That is what I have found and seems to be quite accurately. So now we have a better understanding of how churches and shrines, the purpose of religion and how the. The first being might have come through and thus established anywhere that there wasn't already a strong force of religion, where people already gathered together in a building. Little places where they can funnel that same energy in a different kind of way.

Cristina: It's everywhere. It's everywhere. Wow.

Jack: It's fascinating, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Anyways, we're running out of time, but conclusions for days.

Cristina: Yes. I think we have a good picture of what's going on. Almost a complete picture. Almost.

Jack: Yes. And it seems that it's possible. It might be possible for us to specifically summon Jehovah without having to wait. We might not even have to go into the Shadow Realm. We could probably just summon him.

Cristina: We could just summon him with the chance and stuff. Or some other way.

Jack: With a shrine. With a shrine bringing enough people scared, particularly of seasons and things like that, that. I guess on the flip side, if we assume that there is a portal inside of the hole, then somehow in a church, there is a portal as well. And somehow there is a way to form a portal. I guess that would be the next step to find out if there is a portal to get to the Shadow Realm without adrenochrome.

Cristina: Whoa. We gotta find that. In a church.

Jack: That would be the best place to start looking, at least.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Anywhere that would have collective amounts of energy.

Cristina: Let's go to that main place. Isn't there a giant. The King Church? The giant church where the Pope lives?

Jack: Yeah, maybe. Maybe he has the portal. Maybe he's going in and out all the time.

Cristina: Ooh, we'll find out.

Jack: Anyways, that is that. That's Shinto for you. Nice little down that rabbit hole. And it seems that it fit. I had the theory and it did.

Cristina: It did.

Jack: It did. It felt very familiar somehow. Anyways, this is actually the first time we talk about Shinto in such detail. I guess.

Cristina: Yeah. Because I think we've mentioned it a few times.

Jack: We've mentioned it, but never really gone into great detail. So we don't really have any reference points for anybody else to go and dive into that. But you can find anything else that we've talked about in any of our previous episodes.

Cristina: We've talked about commies.

Jack: Maybe we've mentioned commies. Yeah. But we've never focused on Shinto as a belief system. But yeah, you guys can definitely find those episodes and a million more on the official website. Greatthoughts.info on Apple Podcasts. On Spotify or anywhere you get your podcasts.

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Cristina: Tell us how to improve. Yes. And also send us bunny emojis. Why not?

Jack: Yeah. Send us a bunny emoji to let us know you listened to this episode.

Cristina: Yes. Let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth, the most important part.

Cristina: Of the universe, with an important breakfast.

Jack: Yes. It's an important part of this complete breakfast. So make sure to open your mouth and scream the show's name to complete strangers on the train.

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. He can't speak. I guess he chooses not to.

Jack: He might choose not to. Who says God speaks English?

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: Right? Like, why would he speak in a way we can comprehend by any means?

Cristina: What would it sound like?

Jack: Would it sound like. I like the. In Supernatural, when they heard Castiel's real voice and it shook and destroyed all the windows, it was just like this crazy loud and it destroyed all the windows and it made them all f****** temporarily deaf and everything.

Cristina: He did that on purpose.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And when they saw him, they went blind temporarily as well. Castiel, like his real form.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Well, the angels real form works like that. Like the God way of. Like you'll be minded.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They use vessels in order to traverse Earth for a reason.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

October 23, 2021

Rambling: 148 Catholic Adrenochrome

October 23, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why are most of the listeners of the show from England? Why are most people from England Catholic? Why do Catholics love drinking blood? Are priests the primary blood drinkers? IS the blood they have been drinking from the children they spend private time with? The duo takes on some of the darker truths of Catholicism and tries to get to the bottom of how most of the JCP listeners are British. What is discovered in the process is something no one could have imagined!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

Cancer
Fight Club
Vampire Jesus
Broken English
Time Travel Seamlessness
Christian Wars
Catholic Caused Genocide
Drinking Blood
Immortality
Child Blood
Gods & Adrenochrome
How to Make a God
Groundhog Powers
Subhumans

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+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second episodes are released.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So be sure to inform somebody of this show at gunpoint if you can, and get them to listen by force. The good old American way. America.

Cristina: Not with guns.

Jack: Why not?

Cristina: Why? Why?

Jack: What if they don't have our largest. Well, actually, the biggest part of our audience is a British, not a Merrickin.

Cristina: You think they don't have guns?

Jack: I'm more concerned about, like, what the f*** is wrong with people listening to this? I was thinking about this the other day. Like, who listens to us?

Cristina: Who listens to us?

Jack: Like, British people.

Cristina: Are you sure?

Jack: Yes. The vast majority of our listeners are.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: It's like, half is British and then like. Like a quarter is eastern American. Like the east coast and then scattered throughout. It's like, what the f*** happened in f****** England?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why are you listening to us?

Cristina: We're giving them a slice of life of America.

Jack: Yeah. Wow. Are we the example of what American life is to these?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because it's like. No, it's way more f***** than what we do.

Cristina: We talk about.

Jack: Yeah. Americans don't think this hard. Megas. Don't think America. It's about, you know, I, like, I. I'm not gonna wear a mask because I need a haircut. That's America summed up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I'm not gonna wear a mask because I need a haircut logic. So I don't know what the f*** happened. They're like the. Now we're a bad example of what being American is. I mean, I guess the no given aspect.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They're not like, I don't know, they were emotionally repressed.

Cristina: Is that true?

Jack: I mean, it's a joke that they tell themselves about themselves.

Cristina: It's a stereotype.

Jack: It's a stereotype, but one they joke about. About being emotionally repressed, and we help them with that.

Cristina: How? I don't know where. They're therapists.

Jack: We all.

Cristina: We.

Jack: We're not helping them be more emotionally repressed. We're helping them be less emotional.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They live vicariously through us.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But we're not emotional. We might be feeding the problem.

Cristina: Okay, well, you're helping them by peer pressuring them in the beginning of the.

Jack: Episode to do something violent, social. Something social. Got you. Yes, yes. Go interact. Got you, got you, got. And then I recon reaffirm it at the end of the show.

Cristina: Exactly. So there's something.

Jack: Because, like, if we think about it, Right. We use the fact that when we look at the. The viewer list or whatever, it's the viewer. They're watching us. Cameras are on the walls, man. No, but the. The vast majority of the listeners are in England. Right. And so we think about that, and we're like. We're basically telling a bunch of British people to go do violent acts primarily to get people to come listen to the show. It's a show about getting you to listen to the show. It's become meta.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Every episode, as of late, Maybe the last 15, 20 episodes, are about telling the listener how to get somebody to listen to this show and then kind of describing the circumstance.

Cristina: Yes. We actually go through the adventure of a listener.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Who's trying to convince other people to listen to the show.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. And like, semantically, we get sometimes even metaphysical, just trying the. To elaborate in depth on how to listen to the show.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's pretty meta. It's a show about listening to the show.

Cristina: Yes. If you need help with that. I don't know.

Jack: Why.

Cristina: Why would we go that far?

Jack: Because they need to get somebody else to listen to the show. For what? So that we can tell that next person how to get someone else to listen to the show. It's a sort of infinite loop.

Cristina: Yes. Although I guess we're a lot like that. The tape from that horror movie where you have to watch it before. You have to get someone else to watch it before seven days or you die.

Jack: Yeah. Except in this case, you have to get somebody to listen before the cancer kills you. Otherwise your life was in vain.

Cristina: Yep. That's pretty much something, I guess.

Jack: Pretty much. Yeah. You got, like, 10 years. It's fine.

Cristina: Yeah, it's like.

Jack: It's way better than seven days. Hey, man, you got more than seven days. Like, you got cancer. Cancer is not our fault. We're not really sure what's happening there.

Cristina: I think it's from those inexpensive. What is it? Wasn't there a tape thing that you're sending people?

Jack: Oh, my.

Cristina: It was Spy Club.

Jack: You think the vcr.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: With the cassette tape.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That has the show recorded on it, by the way. It's a vcr. And the show is not on camera. So you're just getting like.

Cristina: But it looks like Fight Club where it is Fight Club.

Jack: Well, it's. They get Fight Club every time as well.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So they get Fight Club, and they get the latest episode of the show, but they only get the VCR the first time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: After they subscribe.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So I guess the episode is audio recorded over Fight Club, so you're technically getting a Fight Club the movie every time with Fight Club audio.

Cristina: Because I feel like we keep sending them Fight Club. Like, we don't stop sending them.

Jack: No, no, no. They get Fight Club every time. So you're saying that the Fight Club episodes they're getting. I mean, the Fight Club additional Fight Club movies are getting. Are the show recorded over the Fight Club. Fight Club. So it's still Fight Club the movie visuals.

Cristina: Or it might just be like, Fight Club. You first have to watch the whole movie of Fight Club, and then at the credit scene, you get to listen to our podcast.

Jack: There's an hour of credits.

Cristina: Maybe. I don't know how long the credits are. Maybe it's just black. And then you hear our podcast.

Jack: Well, I'm thinking you just listen to the podcast over the visuals of Fight Club. So Fight Club the movie is playing as you're watching. Watching as you're watching, and you're hearing us over it.

Cristina: Whether we can do that on YouTube. Just figure out how to put the fight club movie 1.

Jack: To any of our British listeners who've never seen Fight Club, begin your dystopian future by watching Fight Club.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then proceed to dub one of our episodes over the audio of Fight Club so that it's Fight Club with your favorite episode of Just Conversation.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then tell us where we could go watch that, because it'll be great.

Cristina: Well, beside. Well, we are sending them these things, but I'm just wondering if that's where the cancer is coming from.

Jack: They're getting the cancer from the cassette?

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: No, they get the cancer from listening to us.

Cristina: But how? That's the question. Like, what is happening? It's not like 5G or something?

Jack: No, no, no. Or maybe it is because. Because the idea is something about my. And your voice. It's our voices through the microphones coming out of their speaker or whatever causes them to get cancer.

Cristina: But it's our voices.

Jack: It's our voices. Some combination of our. It might be because we're clones, I don't know.

Cristina: But wasn't. Huh? Was it happening when we were alive?

Jack: No, maybe not. No. I don't I doubt it. I think this. I think, according to the lore of just conversation, it happened after the original died.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But not entirely sure, but somebody could let us know.

Cristina: But. Okay, so if that's the case, then we're doing it somehow. It's coming from us.

Jack: Our voices, I'm assuming. Maybe that's my. That's my theory. They're getting the cancer from our voices coming through the speaker.

Cristina: But then Dave is a clone too, right?

Jack: Yes. So he probably. Yeah, yeah. He's passing cancer everywhere. If that's the case.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: He's just giving everybody cancer.

Cristina: Are you gonna let him know that?

Jack: He probably knows.

Cristina: How do you find out. How do you even find out your listeners have cancer? Is that in the data that.

Jack: Yes, exactly. That's exactly how I found out. The same way I found out about.

Cristina: How much listeners are from English.

Jack: Yes. It tells us. For whatever reason, because Facebook, we recently established that Facebook gives us everybody's data all the time. And so I have everybody's medical records, and then I cross reference the medical records with our listener records, and then I get the listeners, and they all have cancer.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: Boom.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You see? Logic. It makes sense. That's how we know. I totally. Yes.

Cristina: We got it through Facebook.

Jack: Through Facebook and Google.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They work together. It's all the same s***. There's. If we could go high up enough. There's no difference between those two things. There's some other, like, dude telling them what to do. The same guy. Nevertheless, they both respond to the same dude, who's just some guy in, like, a shady robe. Looks like f****** the dark Sith Lord or some s***. You know, dark room surrounded by candles and a bunch of f******.

Cristina: Wearing a mask.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Even though everyone knows who he is.

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: When you're up there, you're like. You're. You know who he is.

Jack: Yeah. He wears it just because it's cool or whatever. It's edgy. In a freaking, like, chamber somewhere underground or at the top of a crazy tall tower and a floating island or some s*** where there's f******. He's surrounded in this chamber by, like, naked ladies. No, not naked ladies. Adrenochrome. It's a river of, like, adrenochrome around him. Because he's also really f****** old. And I guess he's been running society for, like, most of time or some. Just keeps taking adrenochrome. He's the original. Like, the original virgin sacrifice was to him or whatever the. Well, to whoever the pretended to be Jesus that's that guy.

Cristina: He's that guy.

Jack: He's like, I got religion to take over and I got adrenochrome. Cuz people sacrificed all the way from back then when they didn't know that I was going to pretend to be Jesus. And he gave me a goat. And then he killed his brother cuz his brother had like a ball of lettuce or some s***.

Cristina: Jesus was about sharing his blood, not about taking your blood.

Jack: But that's who. Those are the leaders. Now, like Mark Zuckerfucker has been around an eternity as well. Because he drank Jesus blood and became a vampire, just like Jesus.

Cristina: Okay, wait, he drank vampire blood?

Jack: Jesus is a vampire? He's the first vampire.

Cristina: He's the first vampire.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Something was keeping him alive for very long.

Cristina: Yes. Adrenochrome.

Jack: Probably Adrenochrome. And then there was a tipping point where he became super duper mega awesome.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And now his blood is the strongest, most potent adrenochrome. And he can make other hymns. Not really him, but you know, he can make other people be immortal and s***. By giving them the blood.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then those people, the twelve apostles of which one is whoever the f***, the guy who runs Google and I don't know why that's not like information. We know more offhand, but we all know Zucker F*****.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And Bezos.

Cristina: Maybe his name is as interesting.

Jack: Maybe. Probably. Like if I heard it, I thought.

Cristina: They both have Z's in their names.

Jack: Right? And like the people who run the world in every aspect. Right. So like the Queen is also for British listeners making references they know, you know, we're on the pulse.

Cristina: What's her name? Elizabeth.

Jack: Elizabeth, yeah.

Cristina: Oh, there's a Z. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Okay.

Jack: How many names can we think of with a Z?

Cristina: Not many. Not many.

Jack: Zoe, Elizabeth, Zach.

Cristina: How many of those do you know?

Jack: Xena. No, that's a X.

Cristina: That's an X.

Jack: Why does X like a Z sometimes? And other times it sounds like a. Why is xylophone not with a Z?

Cristina: I know, the rules change. I don't know. It sounds like a Z in front of things. Sounds like X behind things. No.

Jack: Maybe.

Cristina: Maybe.

Jack: I don't know. Why is it a Z at the. Just f****** replace it with a Z. I don't know what happened to English, man. We should all just learn Korean. It's way more straightforward.

Cristina: Because that's just about sound. Yeah.

Jack: So much more so in such an intelligent, well thought out language. Not like f****** English. That just had random s*** picked up from random f****** areas. And then the worst part is it somehow became the most popular language. So all the other languages are slowly f****** up by borrowing words from English and just turning their languages into s*** because our words didn't make sense to begin with.

Cristina: Our words never made sense.

Jack: Nope.

Cristina: Ugh. And then the language we borrowed, French, like, none of that makes sense. That's alien language.

Jack: How are we like, 60% Latin with Germanic characters using primarily, like, out of that, 60% Latin, like, 40% is French. What the f***?

Cristina: I know.

Jack: The h*** is going on?

Cristina: I don't know. These are definitely not pronouncing it the way they would.

Jack: H*** no. We're already making weird sounds. The problem is a bunch of people from England came to the United States, stole a bunch of French words and pronounced it with latent transferred, morphed, and edited American accent. Accent, which is a derivative of British English. And it's like, what?

Cristina: What?

Jack: Like what?

Cristina: Languages? Accents, though.

Jack: Accents for days.

Cristina: There's too many.

Jack: It's all the English fault.

Cristina: It's all the English fault.

Jack: Yeah. They came over here. You. It's the fault of most of our listeners. They came to the US and they were like, I'm gonna say a hard R from now on. It's like, why? And then I'm gonna take a bunch of French words and throw it in the pot. And then when people from the America where we were frying English go back to England, we're gonna steal American words and just stir the pot and just mix it up a little more and it's more confusing.

Cristina: Yes. Why would you do that?

Jack: I don't know. We do what we do to you guys planning? I mean, I guess you are us, but what like, what you do? Why do you do this to the rest of the world? Trying to learn English.

Cristina: We should stop trying to learn English.

Jack: English is based on Latin, right? Well, no, Latin is some Latin, Germanic, whatever. German.

Cristina: Let's go back to Latin.

Jack: Back to Latin.

Cristina: That's too complicated.

Jack: Is it, though?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Everything else came from that. I don't know. That's a deadass language.

Cristina: Exactly. Like, whatever they're saying is Latin now is probably not Latin.

Jack: Like, this isn't even English anymore.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What was English, and what is now is some other s***.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. Yes. Yeah.

Jack: We're still calling it English because we haven't, like, thought of a new name.

Cristina: No.

Jack: But it's kind of not English.

Cristina: We can never tell when the changing point is anyway of when does it stop sounding Old.

Jack: Exactly, exactly. It just needs to be a point that somebody has, like a weird revelation and they're like, what the f***? If I play English from then it's different.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: No, we can't call it old Old English. This must be something different. From now on, I must say, it's this.

Cristina: We'll just continue saying it's English and.

Jack: Just rename the past. S***.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Well, that's old English. Well, no, that's old Old English. Well, that's old, Old Old English.

Cristina: We should just stick to. It's all English.

Jack: That doesn't make any sense. Because if you were to grab somebody speaking English from like the 1700s, you'd be like, what the f*** are you saying?

Cristina: That is true.

Jack: But not English. But that was English.

Cristina: That was Exactly. And it didn't just go from that to this. It slowly morphed into this.

Jack: So it naturally shaped. So we need to make.

Cristina: So it's still English.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: It's like the baby and an old man.

Jack: Like they're not the same, but they are.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Fair, fair. Like gradually. He wasn't just suddenly an old man.

Cristina: Yeah. It's a weird transformation, man.

Jack: It's weird how everything is gradual, though. Yes, that's strange. The arrow of time is weird because it's not like one panel, then the next, it's like. No, it's seamless.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's no this and that. It's just we're going through it gradually.

Cristina: Unless you had a time machine.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And then you would see.

Jack: No, here's interesting point you'd make, but from your point of view, it's still seamless.

Cristina: It still seems.

Jack: Yes. A time machine couldn't work if you had a cut to black in the middle because you couldn't control where you're going. So it would work like this. Think of the time machine, right? The guy walks into the time machine. If he had a watch inside that time machine and looked at it, it's still moving at normal pace on his wrist. It's outside the time machine that everything is moving rapidly.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Not only that, from inside the time machine, you're just watching it move at rapid pace. It's not, I'm here, I'm there. It's in order or reverse order, but it's still seamless. There's no, well, here's the black part, and now here's where the rest of it continues. That never happens ever at all. There's never experience of nothingness. It never happened. There's no between the panels. So Even with a time machine, it's still now. It's just now back then.

Cristina: It's now back then.

Jack: Yes. It's still his now. He got. He walked. Okay, this is a ten minute event.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He's walking in. It takes him two minutes to walk from his house to the time machine in his way far backyard. And he gets into the time machine. Two minutes pass by. Now he's in that time machine for, let's say, six minutes. Right? He's in that time machine for six minutes. So he walks the time machine, two minutes go by. He got in the time machine. Now he didn't just reality didn't cut out. Now he hits some buttons within this time, you know, and starts slowly speeding up. And time starts going backwards faster and faster and faster and faster. But he sees it gradually speed up. He can witness the experiences happening in reverse order or whatever. And then as he's getting there, starts slowing down, slowing down, slowing down. And then he turns off the machine. And then he walks out of the machine. And it takes him two minutes to get to his house. A week ago. Right. From his point of view, that is still now, even if, time wise, it was a week ago. He didn't blink back to a week ago. He's still aging forward and perceiving time forward as he's moving backward. So there's no cut in seamlessness to him. He has to traverse space even if time is in reverse.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And there's no cut in space perception.

Cristina: So what is he seeing when he's in the machine?

Jack: He's just seeing the inside of the machine.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Which is still moving at normal pace. Even if he had a watch on his arm and looked at the time, it's moving at normal pace. And when he got out, if he doesn't get out exactly the same minute from a week ago, the clock is gonna be not in sync. Because the clock wasn't moving backwards on his. The watch isn't moving backwards on his wrist.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So it's all seamless. Even his bubble of time, while everything around him is changing, is seamless. As he's looking out and seeing a change, and as he's inside, there's no I have left space.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then things change. But that's also why time travel would be impossible. Because space and time are one thing. It's space time. So you could not exit time to move space.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: And you could not exit space to move time.

Cristina: What could do something like that?

Jack: Nothing. They're the same thing.

Cristina: You have to be outside of space and time already.

Jack: Yeah. You have to be outside both or you're in both at the same time. Because you can't be out of place without being there at a time. It's impossible. And you can't be at a time without being there at a place.

Cristina: Can't really travel.

Jack: It's impossible. Time travel is impossible minus our time machine.

Cristina: Besides our time machine.

Jack: Besides our time machine. But our time machine does not. Our time machine breaks seamlessness.

Cristina: How?

Jack: Because it's more like a wormhole, I'm assuming.

Cristina: How does the wormhole break anything?

Jack: Because when we get into the time machine, there's no. Everything is moving in reverse. We hit a button and boof, we're there. It just moves us to that space and time. It does not remove us from space.

Cristina: We're still traveling from space and time, though.

Jack: I don't know. That doesn't make sense. Right, because that's complicated. If you think of how space time is affected. Could. It's. It would be impossible in any aspect, right?

Cristina: Yeah. Like if we're gonna go forward, that means. I don't know. I don't know. Because it would be like the time machine. We wouldn't really be moving. We'd be where we are.

Jack: Well, no, he's moving in the time machine. This. The problem with it is that somehow, and this doesn't make any sense, he did manage to stop space, but move time. But in reality that wouldn't work.

Cristina: No, no, no.

Jack: Because if the machine is on Earth moving with Earth's rotation because he got out at the same spot that he got in, then the machine must be affected by time itself because it's moving with the planet. The planet's rotation can affect.

Cristina: If we could have a machine that's also a spaceship, then can it be a space time machine?

Jack: What about the space inside of the machine? You're. You'd have to. You'd have to witness nothing in that time. You have to cut to black because you couldn't physically be anywhere because you left time. And if you're affected by time. Well, if you're affected by space, you're affected by time problem.

Cristina: So you're gonna age. No, but. Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: Although the most practical way would be a spaceship because what doesn't happen in the time machine, which is giant f****** loophole, is the planet is still moving.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It would just not be there. And it's moving so fast. In a galaxy that's moving well in a star system that's moving so fast in A galaxy that's moving so fast.

Cristina: It doesn't matter because. Yeah, you would still age no matter what, though. Like, if you were to travel a hundred years in the future, you'll be 100 years older. Like, there's no separating you from space and time.

Jack: Well, that's what the argument. Right. Like the argument would be, somehow you removed yourself from space and time. But what the f*** does that mean? Yeah, because if you moved space. Well, you move the time of space forward. Where are you?

Cristina: Yes, where are you?

Jack: Where are you?

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: It's weird. You shouldn't be able to see it happening, because that means you're there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And he could. He could see it happening.

Cristina: So that means he's aging. But he's what stops him from aging.

Jack: Yeah, well, he is aging, but he's aging at normal rate.

Cristina: What if he was a vampire?

Jack: No, no, no. He's aging at normal rate. He's in the ship, aging at a normal pace. However long, every second is a second long. In a normal second time span, even if outside the second time is moving faster in the machine, somehow it's not. So he isolated a pocket of time.

Cristina: And space in the machine.

Jack: In the machine. But then where the f*** is a machine? And why didn't you. Like, when the machine stopped, why didn't you immediately suffocate? Because you're not even in the galaxy anymore.

Cristina: Yeah, I don't. Yes.

Jack: If the machine is moving with the planet, and the planet is moving with the star, and the star is moving with the galaxy, and space is stretching all around it, you are so far from the next thing.

Cristina: What if the machine is attached to the Earth, though? Does that not change anything?

Jack: Well, then the machine is in space, which means it's also in time. So you should be aging with it.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: Which means you're just moving normal speed because you're feeling. You're just sitting there watching a normal day go by, huh? Because you're part of time space.

Cristina: No, that doesn't work.

Jack: Yeah, it doesn't. I don't know how our time machine works. It does. I don't know.

Cristina: How does.

Jack: I could not tell you how we're breaking the laws of reality. Anyways, that guy who runs everything.

Cristina: Which guy were we talking about?

Jack: The guy who runs Facebook.

Cristina: And above that, right?

Jack: Yeah. He's the dude above all that. He also runs a queen and he's in a chamber filled with adrenochrome. He's also Jesus. Same guy.

Cristina: Okay. Vampire Jesus.

Jack: Vampire Jesus. Which there's an episode about, I'm pretty sure about Vampire Jesus.

Cristina: Okay, so what about vampire Jesus?

Jack: Well, he runs the world. I'm not sure what my point was, but yeah, he runs the world. We know he's the guy above all of it.

Cristina: Where.

Jack: Because the argument was that we got the cancer information from Facebook that is cross referenced with Google somehow and the whatever data, because that's Google is really where we're getting the data of who the listeners are. And then Facebook is where we're getting the data of who has cancer because we get everybody's records because Facebook just readily sells it to us.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then we cross reference those things and we find out that our listeners have cancer. And then all of that is allowed because the guy above them both who is also the same dude who runs the world and gives the queen her immortality is Jesus the vampire. Because you know, Trina, Chrome and people.

Cristina: Don'T know this, but Jesus has a Z in his name.

Jack: Yes, he does. Yes, he does.

Cristina: One of those S's aren't isn't an.

Jack: S and there's no S's in his name. It's J U B E Z. No, it's J E, B U Z.

Cristina: J E B U Z U Z. Jebus Jeebus.

Jack: Okay, Jeebus Christ. So the text got it wrong.

Cristina: Alright.

Jack: It's a messed up in translation.

Cristina: Does the text even say that? The text doesn't say that.

Jack: What, his name?

Cristina: Yeah, Jesus is mentioned as Jesus. I thought someone told us that his name was Michael or something.

Jack: No, it's Emmanuel. And the guy named Jesus and the guy named Emmanuel are two different people.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But somehow the guy named Jesus managed to successfully convince everybody who already knew biblically his name was gonna be Emmanuel. He's like, that guy's me. And then everybody was like, oh yeah, right, right, right. Totally.

Cristina: Oh. So the prophecies said Emmanuel would be the next Messiah. Messiah. Yeah.

Jack: And then this Jesus guy came and he said, nah, it's me.

Cristina: Oh. And that worked.

Jack: And that worked.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And he was. Emmanuel was only mentioned once.

Cristina: Okay. So it's very forgettable.

Jack: It's very forgettable. And then this other guy's like, no, I'm that guy. And they're like, oh s***, he's that guy. He said it.

Cristina: Guy was like, hey, but didn't they. Don't we know his name? And that's not his name.

Jack: I don't know how this happened, man. My bet is somehow the people who were conspiring to create Christianity around that time decided if we say it enough.

Cristina: People will believe it.

Jack: Yeah. And if we find all the text that has his name and f****** burn it and just say it's Jesus now.

Cristina: That probably worked.

Jack: It probably worked. We know. Come on. Catholics, Christians, all the versions of Christianity early. But then Catholics got real serious about the massacre and murder and, like, taking lives and burning people and f****** crucifixions and all this crazy s*** that, like, created it in the first place. And then they hypocritically started doing it as well. So. Yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Murdering people.

Jack: Murdering people. The amount of genocide and murder that happened because Catholicism, which is a man.

Cristina: It's weird because that's not even, like, the main religion.

Jack: The main f******, like, a branch of some s***. And it became, like, the most powerful.

Cristina: Part of it because it's the darkest one.

Jack: Yeah, man. I know we've talked about this before, but it's just. It just trips me out that there's a religion that's like, we're gonna pretend to eat flesh and drink blood.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And drink the blood of our, like, Lord.

Cristina: Yeah, that's.

Jack: And we call him our Lord. He's our Lord. And we're gonna pretend to drink that blood because he told us to eat my flesh and drink my blood.

Cristina: That's why we kill for him.

Jack: Yo. And a lot of people have died for him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Crazy. And I'm like, no, it's perfectly fine.

Cristina: Yeah, we've gone to other countries and saying we're gonna convert them. And those people weren't converted.

Jack: No, they were murdered. And then we settled there, and we're like, yeah, yeah, we converted. We went. Failed to convert them, killed them, inhabited the area in which we murdered and said they were converted because now that land has our religion.

Cristina: Exactly. That's how it works.

Jack: Ah, conversion.

Cristina: Yeah, that's exactly kind way to say we murdered.

Jack: Yeah, it really is. We converted that area. And then you go there and it's like, wow, they're all white. Yeah, all of them. Not one. Like, they went to some random Middle Eastern country. The only Middle Eastern country that's predominantly Christian, and you go to that one. Middle Eastern country, white.

Cristina: What Middle Eastern country is that?

Jack: I don't know. It's a theoretical country.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And it's just white.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Peace. That happened here, though.

Jack: Yeah. All natives. We were gonna talk them out of Native American spiritualism and teach them Christianity. Meanwhile, they're all white. They're just white. They turned white. If you. If you partake in Catholicism, your skin slow. The more Catholic you are, the Whiter your skin gets.

Cristina: Yes. Like the picture of Jesus.

Jack: Yes. Jesus was black a long time ago, but he got more and more Catholic and slowly got whiter and wider and his hair just got straighter over time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's amazing.

Cristina: Yeah. That's all religion does. Or I guess Catholic, Catholics.

Jack: Other parts of Christianity are a little more welcoming, but not Catholics. You almost have to be white.

Cristina: Yeah. That's how. That's the conversion story.

Jack: Yeah, that's how it happens, man.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it's all thanks to vampire Jesus.

Cristina: Yes. I keep thinking, well, why did we get to vampire Jesus in the first place? I forgot.

Jack: Because Facebook. Because of Facebook and Google.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: Who run by the same guy. And cancer. Yes. Which in theory, he could just cure, I'm assuming. If he's who you say he is.

Cristina: Probably.

Jack: But he can't. No, he's just a vampire.

Cristina: He's just a vampire.

Jack: He can't cure cancer.

Cristina: Well, if adrenochrome makes you smarter, maybe you could.

Jack: Adrenochrome cures cancer?

Cristina: Yeah, it could, man.

Jack: His blood probably cures cancer, doesn't it?

Cristina: Yeah. We need some of his blood.

Jack: Is he who runs Illuminati? Is that our boss?

Cristina: Probably. I don't know. If we end up dead and we get replaced.

Jack: You know what? That's crazy. Yeah. And think about that.

Cristina: But I don't think anyone would notice. I mean, we're clones now. Like, if that happens, we'll be clones. So we wouldn't even know.

Jack: Yeah. That's also weird. But me and Yu's light would be turned out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like the next clones here. Yeah. The listener wouldn't be able to tell the difference. It's seamless. From one point to the them, at least.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The next episode is by these people. But then again, we were fully aware that we were replacing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So the next clones would just flat out tell them that.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess.

Jack: Like, hey, we're the replacement. Because it turned out. It turned out vampire Jesus did run the Illuminati.

Cristina: He didn't like what we said. I thought. You're not saying anything bad, so I'm sure he's fine.

Jack: Yeah, we're not saying anything bad. We're saying he could cure cancer.

Cristina: Yes. Like, we're promoting him.

Jack: We're promoting Jesus blood. You should drink more Jesus blood. You should all convert to Catholicism.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Touch all the children and drink Jesus blood.

Cristina: And that's how you live forever.

Jack: That's how you live forever, man. You know what's. Let's be real.

Cristina: That's How? The priests. The priests were trying to live forever.

Jack: Priests were trying to live forever. They were.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They were.

Jack: But like, these old people who do seem to live forever and are filthy rich and kind of run the world, are always f****** the kids. Yeah, man. Something about f****** kids makes you immortal. I don't know what. I know what part. I don't want to find out.

Cristina: I know.

Jack: But I know that something about f****** a kid makes you immortal. Because everybody who's chasing immortality or has somehow achieved it has f***** a child and drank Jesus blood. They're all Catholic and they all f*** kids. That's the two whammies that equal immortality. The blood part, we get it. Adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes, adrenochrome.

Jack: But also, somehow f****** a kid adds to your immortality. Or. Or you drink adrenochrome, you don't age more. But if you drink adrenochrome and then f*** a kid, you steal their youth.

Cristina: Oh, yes.

Jack: Or.

Cristina: Or I was thinking that the blood gets you, like, mate, turns you into a predator, so.

Jack: Well, no, this is. Wow. Actually, that could totally be the case. But different. Different take. Maybe. Maybe.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They're not f****** the kids. Maybe that's the f****** cover story. Because it's better than telling people we're getting the adrenal chrome from the kid's body and that's what gives us the youth.

Cristina: Yeah, that's. Yeah, yeah. I guess that would be worse if we found out they were.

Jack: Yeah, but like, they're drinking children blood, man. I'm just f****** kid, you know, send me to jail.

Cristina: No, but they end up dying if that's the truth too. Like, either way, they're f*** we.

Jack: What priest went to jail? What was his name? Right. So you could say that. And somehow the church is like, no, he was innocent. But if you say I drank. I killed and drank a kid's blood, or I was just slowly, like, siphoning.

Cristina: Blood off of a church's protection.

Jack: Yeah. Because the jer. The church is like, yes, kid f******. Okay, but kid blood drinking, bad, but not. Not really. But society will look further down on kid blood drinking than they would kid f******. So, like, the lesser of two evils. Let's say we're f****** the kids, not drinking the kids blood. And then we'll just deny it anyways.

Cristina: That's so horrible. It's all horrible. I guess that's better. I don't know. It's so, so bad. It's bad.

Jack: Yeah. And it's weird that this is where we landed, because one of the most Catholic countries in the world is England.

Cristina: No way.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Catholic.

Jack: Catholic.

Cristina: Are you positive?

Jack: Yes. England runs on Catholicism.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yep. There is heavy, heavy tradition there.

Cristina: How high? Maybe they know about this. That's why they're listening. They're like, you guys are on to.

Jack: Yeah, we're always hitting the. We're hitting it on the nose and they're like, yeah, s***'s always going on here. I got a kid in my basement right now. I've been siphoning some blood off of him for years.

Cristina: Please don't tell me about it.

Jack: He's like a teenager now. Yeah. Look, go in the comments below, Leave us a five star rating and tell us about the kids you got in your basement siphoning their blood on itunes.

Cristina: Do it on itunes.

Jack: On itunes. Yes.

Cristina: I feel like we. That's the only place we'll remember to check.

Jack: And Spotify.

Cristina: Would we check on Spotify? Can you check the comments on Spotify?

Jack: Dude, I have no idea how Spotify works.

Cristina: Maybe just do it on itunes because I don't know if we'd look on Spotify.

Jack: Who cares? Do it on both.

Cristina: Do it on both. Okay.

Jack: Leave us the same comment on both platforms.

Cristina: Okay, we'll try to look at both.

Jack: Yeah, well, we don't have to see it on both. If they leave it on Apple, we can just assume it's also on Spotify.

Cristina: Okay. Leave it for everyone else and then.

Jack: We'Ll make an episode where we read your comments about the children you have in your basement that you slowly siphon blood out of to be an immortal.

Cristina: Yep. Give us some stars with that too.

Jack: Yes. Five stars if you have a kid in your basement. But if you don't have a kid in your basement, you have to only give us five stars.

Cristina: Yes. And don't say anything.

Jack: Don't say anything. Don't leave a. No, I'll leave a review. Just say good. Good with a thumbs up emoji. Just say good with a thumbs up emoji.

Cristina: Yeah, we don't have children.

Jack: Yeah, well, they can't comment on an episode. I think. I think it's like a general kind of thing.

Cristina: But we would know, though, that they listened to this episode.

Jack: Yeah. Oh, s***. Should we choose an emoji per episode? Kind of like Sean Murray does for every no Man's sky dlc.

Cristina: Yeah. Ok. Thumbs up is this episode.

Jack: Yeah, Thumbs up is.

Cristina: Or the comment that you have children.

Jack: Yeah. Or. Or if you don't want to get caught, because I'm sure, like FBI is watching since f****** Apple doesn't give them their information. They're just watching comments and s***. You imagine some FBI agents job to scroll to comment to see where the pitas are, whatever. Yeah, so like if you don't want to get busted, they don't need to know. You don't have to be specific. Still leave us a five star rate.

Cristina: Say adrenochrome.

Jack: No, with the review. Just put the picture, the emoji of a kid.

Cristina: Oh my gosh.

Jack: Yeah, put a child emoji. Well, no, they're not f****** the kid. They're drinking their blood while trapping.

Cristina: Yes. And if you're not that person, just.

Jack: What was it do thumbs up.

Cristina: Thumbs up.

Jack: Thumbs up means you got no kids that you're siphoning blood off of. Kid emoji means you got a kid somewhere that you're siphoning blood off of for immortality sake.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I mean, look, let's be real. Somebody tells you, somebody tells you you can be immortal, you will never age, but you have to siphon blood off of a kid and drink it at least once a week. I'd rather die.

Cristina: I want to be like a real, like the vampire they show on TV where you can pick the age of your victim so it doesn't have to be a child.

Jack: So you can be like a teenager. Well, no, maybe people just. Maybe the age difference is what? Like you equal out at. Right. So you could pick age based on where you stand. Right. So if you're 30 and you pick like a 10 year old, then you land about 20. Right. But if you're at 30 and you pick a 20 year old, you land at about 25 of how you look and whatever, that's how like old you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Recover to or whatever.

Cristina: Like what if you're an 80 or.

Jack: 80 year old, you get a 20 year old. Well, you got to hit the middle mark. Yeah. Do 80 minus 20 is 60 and then the middle point between 60 and 20 is 40. So you'd be about 40 if you're 80. That's pretty good.

Cristina: That's why they're sticking to you very young kids though. Because if you're 80 and you pick 10, how old are you?

Jack: Well then you only subtract 10. Oh wait, that doesn't work because you'd be older. Right.

Cristina: Well, okay, I was gonna see you.

Jack: Subtract 10 and then you find the middle point of that. But that doesn't work.

Cristina: No, no, no, no. He's the younger. You pick the younger. I guess.

Jack: Yeah, it should just be the middle point regardless of Subtraction.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the middle point of. No. Cuz. Yeah. I guess the older the first the kid is, the farther up the equal.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Turns out to be. So. Yeah. The middle point between 10 and 80 would be 40.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Would that be 40? 50, like 45.

Cristina: Okay, maybe.

Jack: Yeah, I guess like 45 or some s*** like that. No, that would be the middle of 90. Right. Because you break, oh, I don't know, whatever, some, whatever. Throw some s*** at the middle. That's where you land.

Cristina: You're half, you're half your age.

Jack: Yeah. So you got to try to get adrenal. You got to try to start siphoning off of a kid pretty young in order to maintain that youngness you don't. Like. If you're 20 and you're feeding off of another 20 year old, you just stay 20.

Cristina: Which is fine because. Wait, what? Because the adrenochrome isn't just for staying young.

Jack: Yeah. It's for immortality.

Cristina: But don't you get powers and stuff?

Jack: Yeah, all that stuff comes along with it.

Cristina: Yeah. Like I want for that you got.

Jack: To keep drinking as a problem. So you need to. After you dry this one out. Yeah. Catch another 20 year old.

Cristina: Oh yeah. Man, being a vampire sucks.

Jack: Being a vampire kind of blows. Yeah. But then man, that's crazy. So there's real vampires.

Cristina: Yeah, but it's work.

Jack: It's. I mean if you're powerful and fast and hyper intelligent. Because the adrenochrome, it's like easy show up in a bus.

Cristina: Most of them are super rich, so they have people go scout. Kidnapping people.

Jack: They probably have like a clone thing of their own. They just clone the same people over and over from the original. Just drink their blood. People who can't afford that are the ones who are out there eating like the poor vampires. I don't have crazy guap laying around. I gotta go siphon blood directly. Break into somebody's house.

Cristina: So those are the ones that are gonna comment on us?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Unless you think some of those wealthy. I mean people with the coffee.

Jack: Maybe. Maybe there's some like filthy rich.

Cristina: Filthy rich. What is it? Child emoji and they.

Jack: And a dot and like dollar bills or the dollar sign. Kids and. But if it's not a kid, man. But the problem is it's always kids. That's really the problem. Right. It's always kids. Rarely is there like what we found a bunch of grown adults being held hostage in somebody's basement. So I was like a kid went missing like 15 years ago. We found them now as an adult in a f****** basement or some s***. Yeah, they f****** snatching up children.

Cristina: Well, shouldn't. Why?

Jack: Like, because it makes them younger?

Cristina: No. If they're growing up as adults, wouldn't their blood stop being mean? Anything?

Jack: Yeah, that's why they keep adding people over time. They're just like, well, I can't let you go now. You'll bust my operations.

Cristina: Oh, I guess.

Jack: But like, I'm not a bad guy. I just love adrenochrome.

Cristina: Kill them and bury them somewhere.

Jack: No, they're not bad people. They're just adrenochrome lovers. Are you. Are you trying to tell me that a priest has the capacity to be evil? Or maybe he just wants immortality. He's not evil. A priest can't be evil.

Cristina: He's a man of the cloth of immortality. Evil, then.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because God's not real. That's why they're doing this. Religion is entirely fabricated so that we can siphon people for blood. Well, at least Christianity.

Cristina: But the demigods are real.

Jack: Well, the demigods are just people who've had adrenochrome for very long.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: If we've established before God himself was just a demigod who had the probably adrenochrome of demigods.

Cristina: How did he do it?

Jack: It's less that story, Right. You go and you eat people.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then you get so strong from people that you're kind of like a God. So then you start eating other gods.

Cristina: Until you run into Jesus.

Jack: Until you run into Jesus, who himself drank the blood of many, many, many, many, many, many gods. Then you drink Jesus blood. His blood is like your blood, but you've never had somebody's blood that's like your blood. You've had other God blood, but you've. You're the super mega God because you've had all the God blood. So now you got the super mega God blood. Mix it, you're super mega God blood, and then you become Jehovah. Now you're super. I don't even need adrenochrome anymore. I'm just everywhere.

Cristina: And then what? Then you die.

Jack: You go ahead and you create a universe with a bunch of people, and you have them. D***, did we crack it? Was that the solution? That was the solution we've been waiting to figure out. Like, how the dots connected on that one.

Cristina: Yes, that's why. But he also did it to make more of him.

Jack: Yeah, so that he can possibly drink the adrenochrome blood of that super omniscient God. That's what Jehovah wants. But it's so hard to get.

Cristina: So he's just looking for more blood.

Jack: He's. We know that he's trying to transcend to whatever the next thing is, but.

Cristina: We didn't know why.

Jack: But we didn't know why it's still about blood. You're human. Get adrenochrome, you become, you know. Superhuman.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then you have enough superhuman blood, you become demigod. You have enough demigod blood, you become omniscient God. You have enough omniscient God blood, you go to some s*** that we can't even fathom. Yeah, but Jehovah has not been able to. But with it, there's definitely a difference between Jesus and, like, Zeus. And I think Jehovah and Zeus are very similar. We just. Jehovah's way more mysterious and we don't know what it looks like. Yeah, but the idea is the same.

Cristina: He's probably a dude.

Jack: Yeah, just some guy. He likes being shady and hidden and secretive or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But, like, he's just like. Yeah, he looks like. Exactly. Just turns into earthly s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like, you're just a guy, bro. What if I lit that bush on actual fire?

Cristina: What if he was an animal in that bush? Like.

Jack: Like a giant gerbil, like in South Park.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like God turned out to be the weirdest creature.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I'm just a turtle or something.

Cristina: Crap. What's that creature that we asked to predict the weather?

Jack: You think he' the groundhog. You think the groundhog is like, Chuck from Supernatural is just some random s*** you wouldn't expect.

Cristina: Yes. That's too weird of a creature to give adrenochrome for that specific thing.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: It's too weird to be like, I'm blood, so you can tell me what the weather is gonna be like.

Jack: I don't think it happened in that order. I think it got a hold of blood by accident.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then you know, any. Almost anything that takes adrenochrome becomes, like, human. Like, if it's not already.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then it could talk and s***. And it's like, bro, I could somehow. I can't even explain it. I could see the weather and the seasons and the temperature and, like, I get it. I see it all. Like, what? It's like one. You're f****** talking groundhog. But wait, wait, wait. Let's ignore that part about you being a talking groundhog. You can detect the weather. You're saying our crops, man. Yeah, man. Our crops.

Cristina: That means he can predict the future, which means he could be.

Jack: Maybe it's just the weather. Maybe he's not like Johnny over there. He's gonna get hit by a bus tomorrow.

Cristina: But we don't know.

Jack: We don't.

Cristina: We need to speak to him. But we don't know the secret language of the groundhog.

Jack: Well, the groundhog speaks. No, they do have a f******. Yeah, we had a whole thing about that. Yeah.

Cristina: Secret society that communicates with him in his language.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Cuz all the adrenaline, people. Interesting. Interesting. So then we have a problem.

Cristina: What?

Jack: We got to go catch this f****** groundhog.

Cristina: We gotta, like, just to see if he's.

Jack: Well, now we're elevating because, you know, we. We before we were hunting s***. Of which there is more.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There's one f****** groundhog that's doing this for whatever reason. We haven't given this to other groundhogs. There might be something about this groundhog that told us we probably shouldn't do this other ground. Maybe it's too op. Maybe it is God. Maybe we're just like, s***, we can't do this again.

Cristina: After he retired, he became the groundhog of this town. That predicts the weather. That's his retirement.

Jack: But Adrenochrome let him there.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. But like, he was doing stuff before.

Jack: Was he a groundhog, is the question.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or did he take the form of a groundhog?

Cristina: He was always a groundhog.

Jack: He was just always a groundhog.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Jehovah is the groundhog.

Cristina: Yeah. Because we don't. Because as far as. Oh, no, they do transform. There are creatures that transform. I forgot there's lots of.

Jack: Bunch of s*** that gets shapeshifting.

Cristina: So it is probably Chief's thing. Creature.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. But what the f*** chooses to be groundhog of all things?

Cristina: I don't know. Like, it's the most. It's the least suspicious thing.

Jack: I guess. We gotta catch it. We gotta find out if it's hard to catch and, like, overpower and, like, breaks out of our. Like, we got tech.

Cristina: If it bites us, do we get rabies? Is that type of thing.

Jack: No, I'm sure we just get powers.

Cristina: Or we get power.

Jack: It's like rolling around in radiation or something. Except you're rolling around in, like, celestial blood or you got bit by celestial rabies. That's a shortcut to superpowers.

Cristina: That's awesome.

Jack: It probably won't bite us for that very reason. It's the one that's, like, at all powerful.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We should try to force it to bite us.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Bam.

Cristina: What if we die, though?

Jack: You know, that's a trick. We luckily. And it always comes back to this, but we got subhumans to try this on. They're going to be obedient no matter what the case might be.

Cristina: Because if that does kill them, at least you know.

Jack: Yes. And if they become super overpowered, then we can make our army of subhumans way better by getting it to bite all of them and just hold this slave. If we can.

Cristina: Why are we doing this? The subhumans are already way stronger than us.

Jack: It's fine. They're never gonna disobey us. They're always on our side.

Cristina: It's gonna be so crazy when they decide to do that.

Jack: Why? Why would they ever decide? We've established that for whatever reason, they will never turn on us.

Cristina: I don't know. It feels like this is going. This is like the. Was it 501st or whatever.

Jack: We're just making them op. As.

Cristina: Yes. And just like they day that they're gonna turn on us at one moment.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no. Because we're the people who have the power to launch order 66. They'd be flipping for us.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Like, these subhumans are just people. Well, not. It's just our whole organization.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: But these subhumans are just people living their lives. It's like Fight Club. We're the people who make your food.

Cristina: But they came from China. I feel like if anyone's gonna flip them, it would be them. And then. Then they would turn on us.

Jack: China. Property of the queen. Queen. Part of the Illuminati.

Cristina: Oh, boom. Then the queen can do it.

Jack: But we also have the power to launch the orders. We're all part of the same corporation. We work together. She's high ranking.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, if we're like, we're gonna launch and she's like, no, you're not, then obviously. No, we're not.

Cristina: No, I guess not. Okay, so we'll have some overpowered superhuman super clones. Not clones. But aren't they. They're actual people.

Jack: Yeah. There's subhuman.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't know how we landed on subhumans as a name, but they're smarter, stronger, faster, more independent, more purely human. Because they were just born, and then we genetically engineered them to be way stronger and better.

Cristina: Yeah. They were just children that no one wanted.

Jack: Yeah. They're aborted babies that were raised.

Cristina: Oh, they were aborted babies? Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. All the aborted babies that were Raised.

Cristina: So that we could stop people from having abortions.

Jack: Yes, the sub humans were the solution to abortion deaths.

Cristina: Yeah, we solve things, though.

Jack: We solve things. Look, this is. This is important. We came to conclusions and solutions. Resolutions came up with plans. We gotta catch a groundhog. Maybe make the subhumans even better. Maybe make our own gods to take down. We still have to go attack the gods of cat people. We don't know if they did it through adrenochrome, which now starting to sound more like.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, their magic is probably science.

Jack: Yeah, they're demigods. That's all it is. They're hyper intelligent people who had a bunch of blood and Jesus was probably in cahoots with them. And then whatever Jehovah is probably also. And then drank some of their blood. Boom. Became some op s***.

Cristina: Yeah, so we gotta get all our demigods to fight their demigods.

Jack: F***. You know what? We never thought about it. Makes perfect sense hitting the f****** subhumans with some adrenochrome, see what happens. They're already jacked up.

Cristina: No, because I'll turn them into something else.

Jack: As long as we don't have adrenochrome. That would turn them into something else. Okay, well, I mean, I guess they could turn something else, but it would turn them feral if they didn't have more. Yeah, they should stay sharp and clear.

Cristina: So we got to get them hooked.

Jack: We got to choose half, make sure.

Cristina: That they stay on it.

Jack: Yeah, we got to take half of all the sub humans and let them feed on the other half of the subhumans regularly, but not so regularly they drain them. So the other half, volunteers, gets into some pods to keep them alive, and the lights get shut out. And then they get forever siphoned by the other half. That becomes super smart. They already are, but like super smarter and more strong than they already are and faster and like all the maximized. Yeah, plus whatever powers they get. Yeah, but powers come along with that.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: And then we use these demigods we created. Go send them through the pyramids using entanglement, through that technology, straight to where the cat gods are.

Cristina: Yeah, us.

Jack: And then have them capture some of the cat gods, bring them back the same way. And now we got cat gods with us. We can start questioning what the. How old they are, where they've been. What the is happening? What's on the other side? Is it safe for us to go and investigate? Or should the subhumans. They're gonna be like, no, you should not Go over there. You can't survive. Or what? A don't let us know.

Cristina: Yes. That is so much information we need to know.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Crazy. But we figured it out.

Jack: We figured it out. We came to solutions. It's all great. This is a productive meeting we're having.

Cristina: Yes. We've been trying to figure this out forever.

Jack: Yeah, we've been trying the one get over there to figure out what's up with Jehovah.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We solved the Jehovah problem. Now we know how to send somebody all the way to the cat people and solve that problem.

Cristina: Yeah, it's.

Jack: All the pieces are here.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: Wow.

Cristina: Yeah. And I knew it had to do with adrenochrome. I just didn't know how.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: My original plan was we would take adrenal chrome and go to space to where the cat people were.

Jack: You totally did.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You thought adrenochrome would somehow do that. But it wasn't going to protect us in space.

Cristina: Exactly. Yeah.

Jack: But we were being dumb because we were thinking us with adrenal.

Cristina: Yes. And we didn't have the pyramids.

Jack: And we did have the pyramid. Yes. Now we don't have to traverse base. We can blink to the other side.

Cristina: Yep. Oh, we did it.

Jack: We did it. We got to the bottom of things.

Cristina: Well, we're gonna get to the bottom of things.

Jack: Well, yeah, we got to the bottom of how we're gonna get to the bottom of.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yes. Yes.

Jack: I like that. We got this episode. We got to the bottom of how we're gonna get to the bottom of things.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's a punchline. Definite. So, yeah, I guess if. If you like this conversation, there's. There's a lot like it you could go find when we're talking about vampire Jesus. There's one. We're talking about Jehovah's adrenochrome. We talk about God a lot. And all the different aspects about cat people. The cat people. There's a bunch of.

Cristina: Started with a time machine.

Jack: It started with a time machine when I went back to kill. Not went back. When I started sending people into a version of me to stop cat people from taking over the world as a human population declined. And then send people in the future so they could repopulate and not let it decline was a very genius solution. Anyways, you can find those. There's an. And a bunch of adrenochrome episodes, of course. So many.

Cristina: And Catholic.

Jack: Oh, yeah. Like religion, Catholicism and all that stuff. You can find all of that stuff. On the official website greatthoughts.info. or on Apple podcasts or Spotify or anywhere you get podcasts.

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Cristina: Yes. And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth, very important. And this whole episode was just to tell you for the most part that all of our British listeners keep listening and getting more people to listen so that we can get more people to listen. By getting them to listen.

Cristina: Yes. And cancer.

Jack: And cancer. Well, you don't want your life to be meaningless. You heard it. You got cancer. And I get more people to listen so that your life wouldn't mean.

Cristina: Yep. This has been the just conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: Are you sure you didn't mish hear what they were saying?

Jack: I am 100% sure I did not mishear what they were saying.

Cristina: Are you sure?

Jack: Kug nug fug. It is a thing.

Cristina: It's not a thing.

Jack: It is a thing.

Cristina: Kug nug fug it. No. No, it's not. That's a lie.

Jack: I'm thinking context clues, right? It's like God d*** you.

Cristina: How?

Jack: Or D*** it. D*** it. Oh, you f****** idiot. You cugnuck it. It's like the value of X.

Cristina: But how could you even guess that from a.

Jack: It's based on the tone of how they look. Like they were joking around in whatever language they were talking.

Cristina: What did they look like? Bros. A bunch of bros is the bro language.

Jack: No, it's not a bro language. It was just a bunch of bros speaking their native langu, which was a language I've never heard before. But bros aren't smart enough to come up with their own language.

Cristina: So how do you know?

Jack: Because bros are bros. So you can't bro your way to a new language maybe. Nah, it ain't how it works. Are you sure all bros speak English?

Cristina: I don't know, because that's not English. But that's not anything that's nothing.

Jack: Coggin. The f*** it.

Cristina: It's nothing.

Jack: It's a thing. It's the most important word in all of language.

Cristina: You don't even know what it means.

Jack: The meaning of life is behind what kug nug f*** it is. No, you don't know this to say. No, you don't know.

Cristina: You don't know this to say.

Jack: No, I know that. Kug nug fug. It is a word. It's not a word, it's a fact.

Cristina: That's the word you made up a few minutes ago.

Jack: No, I. I am telling you that throughout the course of my entire life, I've heard foreigners say kug nug it casually.

Cristina: I've never heard it.

Jack: I've heard it always. Since the day I was born.

Cristina: You're lying.

Jack: Since I began to hear language, I have heard kugnog.

Cristina: No, you don't remember that.

Jack: Yes, I remember the day I was born and the first thing the doctor said. When he held me, he looked at me. He was like, oh, what a cute little kug nug F*** it.

Cristina: You know what? How do you know that's not your name? I don't know. That's my conclusion. That's your name.

Jack: My name is. My name has been Kug nug f*** it this whole time.

Cristina: Yes, that's fire. Who are those ghouls? Are they your brothers?

Jack: Oh, s***. Do I know these people?

Cristina: Morning. The Just Conversation podcast, hosted by Christina Colazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

July 10, 2021

Rambling 135: Questions About Christianity

July 10, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why does God allow pain and suffering? Can an all knowing God not see a rebellion bubbling beneath him or his creation committing the first sin or did he intend for these things to happen? The duo answers questions about Christianity in their attempt to convert the listener!

+Episode Details

Questions Asked:

Is astrology a sin?
What does heaven look like?
What makes Christianity different from other religions?
Who wrote the bible?
What happens if you die without knowing about Christ?
Do people get second chances?
Why are there multiple religions?
Why does God allow death and suffering of the innocent?
Why didn’t God anticipate the rebellion?
Whats with the no sex before marriage thing?
Why are old testament and new testament God different?
Why does Christianity condemn novelty?
What does it mean to surrender to God?

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

Instagram -https://instagram.com/justconvopod

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean? Welcome to Just Conversation, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

Cristina: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Jack: Yes. And also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner. So be sure to find somebody that needs to listen to this show with you or wants to listen to this show with you or should listen to this show with you, or none of the above, and you make them listen to the show with you. Because you just wanted somebody to listen.

Cristina: To the show with you decided that they have to listen to the show.

Jack: Yeah. You just decided that's how this is gonna play out.

Cristina: Why all the time?

Jack: I don't know. It's important.

Cristina: It's important.

Jack: Especially today's episode. Especially today's episode where we are going to turn listeners into believers.

Cristina: Believers. Beavers. What is it called when you believe in beaver?

Jack: In beaver.

Cristina: When you believe in beaver?

Jack: I don't know. Believers, I guess it would be.

Cristina: Yes. We're going to convert you to bebeavers.

Jack: Are you? Beaver. A book. Beaver.

Cristina: Beaver, man.

Jack: There's a name for it, and it's not Believer, but it's close.

Cristina: I don't know what it is, but I feel like it's so similar to believer.

Jack: Yeah, it's, It's. It's in that ballpark.

Cristina: Yes, but we're not converting you into that. Never mind. Yeah, this is about the Sky Daddy.

Jack: Sky Daddy. Christianity. Yeah.

Cristina: Yes. We have got questions from our listeners.

Jack: Yes. On Instagram. So our lovely social media manager posts questions that we tell her to or somebody tells her to. I don't tell her to somebody. Somebody comes up with ideas for this show and then the rest of us just kind of follow along. Anyways, questions get put on the socials, specifically Instagram, and then people go ahead and send in questions and then we go ahead and we answer them on the episode with our expertise on everything. And in this case, our expertise are tremendous degrees on theology that we got with 12 years in college, university, wherever you get these degrees, that's where we went for sure. No question, no lies.

Cristina: Christianity or college for religion.

Jack: Christian college.

Cristina: Christian college, yes.

Jack: So we went to Christian college where we learned how to be good Christians and we know everything there is to know about Christianity and we're going to have questions about Christianity that we Are going to answer today for our listeners to convert.

Cristina: Yes, we're going to help people convert.

Jack: Yeah, it's going to be great. And I hope you guys learn a bunch from these things. You're going to leave better woker, more faithful people.

Cristina: Spiritual. Does that come with faith? I don't know Spiritualism?

Jack: Not necessarily.

Cristina: Oh, okay. All right. The first question is, is astrology a sin? Will I burn in h*** for reading horoscopes?

Jack: The answer to this question is quite simple. Yes.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You're going to burn in h*** for sure. Yeah. Because astrology is magic, essentially.

Cristina: And God said no magic.

Jack: God said no magic? Yeah. Unless I give you magic. I'm the only one who could break the rules. Only me.

Cristina: Huh? That's so complicated. But it is all about trusting. Like the person. Was it Moses?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: He talks to God. Did he do magic tricks?

Jack: Yeah, he had many magic tricks.

Cristina: Like, how did they know to believe him that he got the magic from Jesus?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: I'm not Jesus from God. And like, how do you know? How do you know Jesus got his magic from him?

Jack: Because you didn't see God talk to Moses?

Cristina: No. He went far away by himself in the middle of nowhere to talk to.

Jack: God and then came back and he's like, I talked to him.

Cristina: Yes. So.

Jack: So I don't know. And then he did magic. He could have been talking to the devil for all we know.

Cristina: Yeah, like, how do we know? Who are they talking to?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: How do they know? I mean, it's about faith, though. Do you go to h*** if you're talking to the devil, but you think you're talking to God?

Jack: Interesting, right? Like, how do you know?

Cristina: How do you know?

Jack: How do you know who you're talking to? How would you distinguish between God and the devil?

Cristina: You're just gonna have instincts to know, though.

Jack: Well, yeah, kind of. The Bible does suggest that you would just inherently know, but it also suggests that the devil's deceptive. So, like, it's contradicting itself.

Cristina: Okay. Whaat.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: It's really complicated. The next question is, what does heaven look like?

Jack: Heaven looks boring. It's just clouds. Like, if you were to grow a beanstalk and climb up the beanstalk and get to the sky.

Cristina: Who said that it was clouds?

Jack: I don't know. Who said it's a different dimension.

Cristina: It's a different dimension. There's houses up there.

Jack: It's not even a different dimension. It's just like. I mean, it would be in the clouds, then it has to be in our physical space. At least it's an island.

Cristina: An island up there?

Jack: No, not an island up there. Just an island. Then again, it could be a floating island. Maybe heaven is a floating island. And the Earth, it's on a different planet. Maybe we've never gone to space because there's no such thing and we really did fake it like NASA's figure.

Cristina: What if it's on a planet, though?

Jack: I guess it could be, because where's.

Cristina: Jesus building these mansions? We don't see him building mansions on top of us.

Jack: But then you're just telling me the Scientology is correct.

Cristina: What if Scientology is correct?

Jack: Yeah, because it's like we're going to be teleported to another planet. That's heaven.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, my gosh. They. They're the next step. They are the next step.

Jack: They are the next step. It's religion regarding aliens.

Cristina: Yeah, but do they have Jesus? I don't know.

Jack: They probably got alien Jesus.

Cristina: Okay. Someone asked what makes Christianity different from other religions?

Jack: Zero things. Except that it's newer, I guess.

Cristina: It's newer.

Jack: It's pretty new.

Cristina: The God is a little different.

Jack: Yes. God went through weird, like, phases of life. He had midlife crisis and changed and changed his ways and stuff. He's also, like, a particularly weak God compared to, like, other gods that could just are omniscient. Jehovah is strange because he feels emotions, which means there's moments that he's not feeling those emotions, so he's incomplete as f***. And there are things, for example, the devil, that he doesn't like, but. But he doesn't just snap out of existence, but he wants to send that guy to h*** and condemn him and punish him, but he doesn't just get rid of him, which means he probably doesn't have the power to do it or doesn't know how.

Cristina: He does know how. I don't know.

Jack: There's something going on that's making him a demigod, not an omniscient God. Mainly those two things. The fact that, like, either he's not strong enough or he doesn't know how, but also the fact that he feels emotions means there are states and moments in which he does. Does not.

Cristina: But the other gods from other religions, they feel emotions.

Jack: They're all demigods.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Every single one of them.

Jack: Every single one. Only chaos is real. Like, really omniscient. Dr. Manhattan feels nothing for anybody. That's a God.

Cristina: He's a true God.

Jack: He's a true God. He's everywhere. All at once, giving no f****. That's God. If you can feel emotion, you're not everything. Because if you were everything, you'd also be the negative emotions and the positive emotions simultaneously. There would be no distinction.

Cristina: Like, also with bad and good, there's no distinction.

Jack: There's no distinction. That's a concept that doesn't make sense to something. That is everything.

Cristina: Yeah. And that's what it takes to be a God.

Jack: Yes. To be a full omniscient God.

Cristina: Yeah. It's weird because, like, the Bible didn't say that, did it? I feel like that's what people interpret God to be.

Jack: Omniscient.

Cristina: Omniscient and things like that. But I don't feel like the Bible actually said he was.

Jack: I don't actually remember. It might.

Cristina: I think that's how people read the Bible as.

Jack: No, I think it says it.

Cristina: I think he just says, you gotta worship me. That's like.

Jack: No, I think the Bible literally says God is everywhere, all the time. That God is within everything and that God is all powerful.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I'm pretty sure that's literally in the Bible.

Cristina: That's people in the book saying that. Or is that God saying that?

Jack: It's people describing God.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Because would he describe himself like that?

Jack: He just says, I'm your God.

Cristina: Yeah, that's why. Like, he's not giving us much, but still. The next question is, who wrote the Bible, when and with what sources?

Jack: Many people throughout long periods of time, they used the previous versions of the Bible as reference points because they all had access to it. They just continued stories they've already read and added to them. So it was a community project to create the book.

Cristina: A bunch of people when?

Jack: Very long ago. Roughly. At least a current version of the Bible. The books that are in there, at least roughly 5,000 years ago, with things.

Cristina: Being a little older 5,000 years ago.

Jack: Actually, no, it could have been 2,000 years ago.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Because I was gonna say the people who believe in the Bible think the world's been around like 3,000 years or something.

Jack: No, 5,000 years. That's why I said 5,000. But that's incorrect. They would think that the Bible is about 2,000 years old.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, the Bible. And it was written by a crap ton of people over time. So it kind of discredits them a little considering they all shared the previous texts and sort of continued adding further in.

Cristina: Yes, the fan fiction, the super fan fiction.

Jack: Yes, it was created by a bunch of people.

Cristina: The next question is, what besides the Bible provides proof of God.

Jack: Nothing.

Cristina: Nothing.

Jack: Well, that's not fair. String theory.

Cristina: String theory.

Jack: String theory suggests that if there were a God, he would be in the seventh dimension, and that would be a being that consists of all things at all times in all places, and can influence everything all simultaneously. So that would, by definition, be God.

Cristina: And there's a God above God, then.

Jack: Yes. There are several dimensions higher up that would encompass the concept of God. But in this idea, in this. In string theory, you and God are no different. You're the same thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's just. You're a slice of God. It's a slice of a slice of a slice of a slice of a slice. And thus you're just a person.

Cristina: Yeah. And we're also just slices.

Jack: Yes, everybody is.

Cristina: Well, are we like Gods to the first dimension or we're some version of that?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: We're some crazy advanced other thing.

Cristina: Yes. And the next question is, if we all read the same Bible, then why are there so many different denominations of the church? Shouldn't we all believe the same thing since we read the same scripture?

Jack: We don't read the same scripture.

Cristina: We don't. Because it's a bunch of different versions of. I mean, I think it's like different orders of the same thing. Is that what's happening?

Jack: No, it's not different orders. It's. Out of all the books that were written by apostles and people allegedly surrounding Jesus and the people who were communicating with Jehovah and whatever, not all of them make it into every iteration. The King James Version is missing many, many books. The Catholic iteration misses the most books they exclude whatever the h*** they want. And the Catholic edition is the only one that added books that were written by random other people who weren't really. Yes. Who weren't associated with anything.

Cristina: Whoa. Is there any church that has all the books? Is that even possible?

Jack: No, no, no. There's literally a bunch of books that would have been in the Bible, taken, removed, and the original scrolls are in the Vatican, kept secret.

Cristina: Oh, why did they get secret books?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: I wonder if they read it. That's where they get their magic powers from.

Jack: Maybe. There's definitely a reason to hide it.

Cristina: But there's probably books that were part of the Bible at some point that they took out, and now we no longer have it. But there's probably, like a single copy out there that we can get it, that version of it or whatever, probably in the Vatican. Okay, the next question is, what happens to the tribal people who die Never knowing anything about Christ.

Jack: That's a huge problem. Because it's the same question about like a baby dies.

Cristina: Yes. If a baby dies, do they, do.

Jack: They go to heaven or h***? Like somebody who doesn't know about God.

Cristina: It's not their fault that they don't know.

Jack: And there's nothing they could have done to improve the situation with the knowledge of God. Because they don't have the knowledge of God.

Cristina: Yes. So. So then what happens to them? They go to h***?

Jack: Well, in theory. But would God punish somebody who's ignorant?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: I don't know. He's that type of God.

Jack: Well, early Bible God is.

Cristina: Oh yes. That specific God is the one that's gonna go around killing anyone because he likes to. Unless you think he's gone because of this new God. Like they're not both existing at once.

Jack: Know, maybe there were two gods, maybe there was one God who changed. I don't know.

Cristina: So you think they're going to heaven or. I guess they're not going to heaven, but they're not going to h*** is the point.

Jack: I don't know if God. It's possible that God would punish random people, but like we don't have any reason to think he would or reason to think he would. The problem with this question is it doesn't give us further context, it doesn't give us further information. Like based on what would we think other than the fact that these people are ignorant?

Cristina: Yeah, I don't know. But I do know he made people to punish them. Not that these are those people, but he made random people so that they would go to h***.

Jack: Yes. If you are a Jehovah's Witness. Oh, you're a Jehovah's Witness. Everybody but the 23,000 people who've been pre selected before the existence of any human go to h***.

Cristina: Okay. Because there is a story that he does say he had. He does admit that he made someone just so that they'd go to h***.

Jack: Really? I don't remember that.

Cristina: Some evil king or something, he made him to just go to h***, but just for fun, I guess. Anyway, the next question. Do people get second chances if they mess up?

Jack: And direly depends on which religion. Wait, if they mess up and die early. You can't die early.

Cristina: Can't die early. I don't know how that makes sense, but that's what this person said. I don't know what they mean by die early.

Jack: Die ahead of some. I don't know. You can't defy destiny.

Cristina: Yeah. If you're gonna die. You're gonna die if you're supposed to die.

Jack: Yeah. If there's a God and his plan is immaculate, you're gonna die when his plan suggests you're gonna die.

Cristina: Even if you see like a baby dying, you're like, oh, it died too early for God. It's like, this is the right time.

Jack: Yeah. This was part of the schedule.

Cristina: Yeah. It's a harsh schedule, but yeah.

Jack: Yeah. So it's impossible to die ahead of time. But if you did somehow die ahead of time, you would just, I don't know. Dead.

Cristina: Yeah, you'd be dead. And you go wherever you're supposed to go.

Jack: Unless it depends on the religion. You could, in theory, go to purgatory.

Cristina: Purgatory, where you can make up the.

Jack: Difference and see if you deserve better.

Cristina: Yes. And there is a question about is H*** immediate or is there a purgatory?

Jack: Well, the Bible strictly suggests that h***, whether or not there's a purgatory, isn't immediate. You would go to rest until everybody dies. When the rapture happens, then you come back from the dead.

Cristina: You're asleep. Right. This isn't like you're in your body.

Jack: Until, okay, you to you. A second goes by, okay. And you are dead in that period of time. Then the rapture happens, Then you get brought back and you get given a second chance. Then.

Cristina: Okay. And then who knows?

Jack: Well, then Earth becomes h*** to anybody.

Cristina: On the second rupture, Earth becomes h***. That's gonna be awesome. So h*** isn't a location right now or. It is a location.

Jack: No, it's not.

Cristina: It's not a location. Oh. And then we'll become a location. Okay, that's cool. But the next question, if God does exist, why are there other religions around the world?

Jack: Because people need something that reflects their culture to identify with.

Cristina: So there's multiple gods.

Jack: Yeah. And they're more or less the same thing. They have all the same basic principles across the board.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Every religion ever made. So it's arguable that it's just cultural differences. Really.

Cristina: Yeah. Cultural differences is. Yeah. But in the end of the day, same God.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: The next question is, if God exists and Christianity only started a few thousand years ago, how do we know that he created us since the planet and humans in general are much older?

Jack: Alright, Christianity isn't even that old. If there is a God, Christianity has nothing to do with that God other than the fact that Christianity is just another version of talking about that same God who is probably here before humans and then made humans and Then that just means every religion ever is based on that same one God being talked about differently. Yes, that's pretty much it.

Cristina: Yeah. God existed, then we existed, then we learned to write, and then we wrote.

Jack: And then we wrote about God.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So maybe there's a single God and there are many, many cultures that wrote about that God in different ways.

Cristina: Yes, that's it. That's it. That's explaining all religion.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: The next question is, why does God allow death and suffering among innocent people? Because he likes it.

Jack: Yeah, cuz he likes it old school. God loved murder. He loved people making sacrifices to him. He loved shooting fire from the sky and scorching people alive. He loved drowning everybody simultaneously, just watching them gargle their last breaths as water enters their lungs and they suffer gradually spending the time in the water, slowly dying. Animals too, just in general. He was like, oh yeah, this is my jam.

Cristina: Even though he was less murdery in the second version, he was still a bit murdery.

Jack: God is all about that murder.

Cristina: Yeah, he enjoys it. It's fun.

Jack: Yeah. God definitely likes taking lives.

Cristina: I mean, maybe by now he's bored. I don't think so, though. It's still happening, so he loves it.

Jack: I mean, I don't think he's doing the current ones, but then again, the argument is, was he even doing the old school ones? Was that just us covering by saying God did it?

Cristina: Oh, that could be it, I guess. Yes, God did it. He killed all those people. I don't know, I was gonna say in the school, but that's horrible. No.

Jack: In what school? In those Christian schools, God killed all the Asian. Asian? All the middle. Not even Middle Eastern. All the natives, the natives, all the Native Americans.

Cristina: He did that. That is so crazy.

Jack: God doesn't like Native Americans.

Cristina: Oh, that's so horrible. That is so horrible. Okay, the next question is the rebellion against God is just dumb. God, who is all knowing, should have known that a rebellion was about to happen. Why didn't he just go to Lucifer and talk to him about it?

Jack: Because God is not all knowing.

Cristina: Or he knew and he wants to fight. He likes fighting. That's the thing.

Jack: He didn't know.

Cristina: He didn't know.

Jack: There's no way he would have known. It's not that he likes fighting because again, these angels believe they can take him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: God is not about to just enter a fight. He's gonna lose and then lose control of the universe.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the fact that the angels think they could take him means they might be able to take him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which is another argument on top of the fact that he didn't know a rebellion would form.

Cristina: And this rebellion hasn't happened yet, though.

Jack: No.

Cristina: So it's gonna happen. And they're preparing. Like, what does he have to prepare prepare for? But he is preparing, I'm assuming, who got it. Yeah, I guess he's training his. The angels he's got left, I guess, for this war. The next question. What's with the whole no sex before marriage? Why would God care about you having sex before some meaningless binding contract?

Jack: That's a really weird one. Because it's, like, further proof that he's a demigod, not an omniscient God. Because what the h*** would it matter to an omniscient God when you do anything?

Cristina: Yes. Like, what does it mean to him? What does marriage mean to him?

Jack: This is actually a really good argument for the Bible being written by men and not inspired by any holy being of any nature, but rather just by some guy who was like, well, if I make a law, then I can have my way.

Cristina: Why would some man want this, though?

Jack: Because you own the woman at that point. That was also part of marriage.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. It's like, you know, people want to f***, and you also want to f***, so you put it into law. The only way you can f*** is if you are my property.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then you'll want to become the property of somebody. Because you're h****.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And you want to f*** without going to h***.

Cristina: Scaring people with h***. To not have sex.

Jack: Not to not have sex. To allow you to choose when you have sex forever.

Cristina: Ah. Well, yeah.

Jack: It's written by Mel.

Cristina: Because I don't think God would care. I don't. But who knows? Maybe God would then care.

Jack: It's just people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's just the people who wrote the Bible who give too strong of a f*** and want to control women in general. It's a very misogynistic book.

Cristina: Mm. Wow. The next question is, if God is represented as a loving being, why does he let things like pandemics, natural disasters, illnesses, and financial crises happen? Crises?

Jack: Because he doesn't care.

Cristina: He doesn't care. What are you talking about?

Jack: Like, a real God wouldn't give a s***.

Cristina: A real God wouldn't. But would he?

Jack: I don't know. If he's a demigod. I don't know. He still wouldn't give a s***. Like, what would he even be able to do? He couldn't stop.

Cristina: I guess he could care. He just wouldn't be able to do anything about it.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: He can't do anything as the demigod that we know. And if he was a real God, then he wouldn't care.

Jack: Yeah. He's either not strong enough to stop the will of a real omniscient God, or he doesn't care.

Cristina: Or he doesn't care. He definitely either one of those options. Yes. The next question is, how do you explain the extreme difference in behavior and temperaments of God in the Old Testament with that of the new one?

Jack: Bipolar disorder.

Cristina: Bipolar.

Jack: Or there's two gods that came to creation at the same time. Maybe they have a daddy God.

Cristina: They have a daddy God, and these.

Jack: Two different gods are themselves different temperaments, and they each have had the earth and its people for different periods of time.

Cristina: Yes. Or the new one was written so much later from the old one. So the style of writing would be so different, you know, Definitely a possibility. Possibility. But nah. He just changed his ways.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: There's no way. But that makes sense. Right?

Jack: It could definitely be the case because one, the writing styles were very different, and two, the. Not just the writing styles, but the information itself passed down could have been so warped by now that they're like. Well, I think this is more like what God would do.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Change over time.

Jack: Like stories do.

Cristina: Like stories do. Yep.

Jack: Like Jehovah goes through the hero's journey, where he goes from this douchey guy and improves over time as he experiences certain things. Like the death of his own son.

Cristina: Oh, that changed him.

Jack: That changes. Changes him for the better.

Cristina: Yeah. But also, making that son changed him a lot too, I guess.

Jack: Yeah. Having a son and then, watching his son die.

Cristina: Mm. Your son being part of him. So he must have felt some of that. I don't know how that.

Jack: I don't think literally his son is part of him. I think there's no difference between his son being part of him as your parents being part of you.

Cristina: Oh, okay. That could be it. Yes. The next question is, why does Christianity seem to view the pursuit of novelty as evil?

Jack: Because then people think for their own. If they get additional new information, then the church can't manipulate you, which is sort of their whole point.

Cristina: Yes. You're here because you want to be manipulated.

Jack: Yeah, pretty much.

Cristina: If that's what you're here for.

Jack: The church's whole purpose is to brainwash and control people.

Cristina: Yes. And there are people who are looking for that. They need that in their lives.

Jack: Yeah. Which is fine.

Cristina: Yeah. There's nothing wrong with that if you at least know I guess it's a little better.

Jack: Is it?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: They don't want you to know.

Cristina: They don't want you to know. Yeah, that's true. But if you did want that. I don't know.

Jack: Then you'd look for it and find it.

Cristina: Yeah. And find it through Christianity. Yeah.

Jack: It's not like there's a tremendous effort to hide anything.

Cristina: Yeah. The next question is, what does it mean to surrender to God?

Jack: I have no idea. I think it's like committing to be a slave.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like you're opting into giving him everything at all times and obeying all his orders, always without question, without a doubt.

Cristina: It's becoming a slave, becoming a slave.

Jack: It's opting into slavery.

Cristina: Yeah. For him. So you can go to heaven. I think that's the goal. Yep. Is that the only goal? What is that? That's such a lame life. I don't know. I mean, you don't want to go to h***. I guess the next question is, how do you know if you're saved or are being saved? I haven't really been able to tell, but ever since coming closer to God, I've been more caring and loving towards people, but I still don't know if I'm being saved or that Jesus is with me.

Jack: You cannot know if you're being saved. You have to assume that you're doing everything right and continue trying to do everything right.

Cristina: You're supposed to be saved right now?

Jack: No. Oh, not really. You do things so that in the.

Cristina: Future you're supposed to be saved. So that's the after death thing then?

Jack: I guess. Or that is what death is, the saving part.

Cristina: Oh. Oh. If you're chosen, you're one of the chosen for heaven. You're saved.

Jack: Yeah, I guess.

Cristina: I think so. The next question is, do Christians believe animals have souls?

Jack: They do not.

Cristina: They don't?

Jack: No. Because humans are special. We didn't evolve from each other in Christianity.

Cristina: Do we?

Jack: Souls are just a human thing.

Cristina: That's a human thing. And God gave us those souls.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay. Do they mention that at all? Is soul even a word in the Bible?

Jack: I think so, yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Because I know the Holy Spirit thing, but I don't know really about.

Jack: Yeah, the soul is mentioned in the Bible.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Because when he made Adam and Eve, it doesn't sound like he mentions. And then I put the soul in them or something.

Jack: Yeah. That's interesting.

Cristina: Unless they didn't have souls, but I.

Jack: Don'T know, maybe they were. Rough draft.

Cristina: Without a soul until they sinned. Then they were given souls.

Jack: Maybe that's the whole thing. Maybe soul is like sin.

Cristina: Well, then that means Lucifer gave us souls.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What the next question is. There are hundreds of religions worldwide, and Christianity alone has plenty of sub religions. They all seem to think that they're the right one and judge others for not being like them. Every religion has its own amount of proof. How can we say who is right?

Jack: We can't. That's why there are so many. If we could say who was right, nobody would be following any other religion. We'd just be following the fact that one of them is right.

Cristina: Also, stop judging others. That's a huge thing. I don't know why in Christianity, it's such a big deal to judge. Why they judge everyone because Christians sin.

Jack: More than any other group of people who believe in a God.

Cristina: Judging is a sin. Christians stop doing it.

Jack: It's funny, because it's not a sin in every religion, but it's like one of the big ones in Christianity.

Cristina: It's a big one. Yes. Jesus hates judgment. He said that's his job.

Jack: Not even.

Cristina: That's his father's job or his father's job. Okay. It's his father's job.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I think one other person gets the judge, but I don't remember who it was.

Jack: St. Patrick.

Cristina: Oh, was St. Patrick.

Jack: I think it was St. Patrick.

Cristina: He did ask for something. Okay, well, just. Just those people's jobs to judge.

Jack: Yeah. St. Patrick gets to decide who goes to h*** and who doesn't.

Cristina: Yeah. He asked for it and he got it actually, just for Ireland. He's not judging us.

Jack: Yeah. He's not judging anybody else.

Cristina: Yeah. So there's that. But stop judging. The next question is the church has changed so much throughout history, and it's almost completely different from how it started. They've been wrong and admitted it multiple times. How do we know if something the church is opposed to today won't be welcomed in the next decade? We won't.

Jack: We won't. It's always gonna adapt because science is always gonna make advancements, and the church is always gonna grapple only onto the things that science hasn't proven.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it will always be wrong, but it'll be wrong only about what we've proven factually.

Cristina: And it will change.

Jack: Yeah. It'll keep changing and adapting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The Bible, religion has been quite different from 2,000 years ago. There was way more things that were right. It's just as time goes by and we make advancements and we learn and we Understand more.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That the church has to come out and be like, well, we can't f****** argue at this point anymore.

Cristina: Yeah, just take the Bible as a. Stories of things to learn from, but not really.

Jack: Like it's a book of morality.

Cristina: Yeah. It's not really telling you what's right and wrong with our lives.

Jack: Yeah, it's not telling you what's right.

Cristina: Or wrong or what's real or what's real for sure.

Jack: That's the argument here. You can't be right or wrong about like philosophy. It's when they're like, this is what the world. No, you could be right or wrong about science.

Cristina: Oh, yes, you can.

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: What you can. Yes, yes.

Jack: Quite specifically what you could be right or wrong about.

Cristina: I feel like you can't be like, with what reality is. Like if reality says, yes, this is right. You can't be saying yes or no to something that science in that type of way. The next question is, how do we know Christianity is true and the Christian God is the one true God without reference to the Bible?

Jack: I feel like this is the same question over and over. These people are asking the same s***. It's basically, there's no way to know. There's no way to know anything. Faith is the point.

Cristina: Well, people need more than faith, I guess.

Jack: Then you shouldn't be religious because it's failing you if faith isn't enough. Because faith is the only thing.

Cristina: It is the only thing. Yeah, it's.

Jack: If there was an answer, you wouldn't need science. God is real and he could just tell you.

Cristina: Yeah, it's not even about doing right or wrong. It's not about any of it. It's only about faith, really.

Jack: Only about faith. Just have faith that what he says is correct and that what's in the book is what he said.

Cristina: And that's it.

Jack: That's it. You don't need anything else. How do we know? You don't.

Cristina: You don't.

Jack: You don't.

Cristina: You're not supposed to.

Jack: You're not supposed to. It's not meant for you to know. It's for you to have faith. Because if you did know, then there'd be no f****** point. Of course you have the answer.

Cristina: Yes, there you go. The next question is, God could create worlds that achieve his aims of glory better than this one. Why did he create this specific one when it mainly provides him suffering and is very insufficient to his go due to sin?

Jack: Right. As compared to what?

Cristina: I don't know, other planets?

Jack: I don't know what is this person comparing to. What other planet have they seen?

Cristina: The one that they've imagined? I don't know. We might be doing the best. Who knows?

Jack: Yeah, we might be doing the best. Maybe God sucks at making planets with life.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we're like, the crowning achievement.

Cristina: Yeah, maybe.

Jack: Humans are really hard and we're, like, the best at it so far.

Cristina: Mm. I mean, we've lived the longest as far as we can tell.

Jack: Yeah. Either we live the longest or we're the only s*** as far as we can tell.

Cristina: Yeah. So there you go.

Jack: So either there's no reference point or we're doing the best.

Cristina: We're doing the best for sure. Maybe. Or. I don't know. There's a world of cat people who are doing it better, but they got magic, so they're very sinful, so it doesn't even matter.

Jack: Why do they have us? Which was the original question.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, because we are the best in that one.

Jack: Not if they have cat people with magical powers and crap.

Cristina: But the magic is make. They're even more sinful than us because they're using magic.

Jack: Well, no. At that point, God allowed it, if this is casual, to have magic.

Cristina: Oh, okay. In their world. Okay, the next question is, I know God wants me to live in his name, but what does that mean exactly? Do I need to give up things like video games or violent music in order to rightly live in his name?

Jack: I don't know. I guess it's different for everybody.

Cristina: It's different for. It's whatever you think God needs you to do.

Jack: Yeah. Not what a preacher tells you.

Cristina: Not what a pre. Yeah, he doesn't know.

Jack: Priest. They don't know what he knows. Nobody knows.

Cristina: They're not even following the rules that they tell you to follow.

Jack: Follow? No, they're just doing. I mean, I guess they kind of are. God is kind of crazy.

Cristina: What?

Jack: All the raping and murder is kind of right up Jehovah's alley, huh? If anybody's doing it. Kind of accurate to Jehovah. Yeah, Old school Jehovah is probably Catholic Church.

Cristina: What? But he.

Jack: Murder, rape, slavery, that's all old school. God, he loved that.

Cristina: But that's against the. What. What are those things called? The rules.

Jack: The commandments.

Cristina: Yeah, I'm pretty sure no killing and no reaping are part of that.

Jack: God was down with all of that. Jehovah was down with all of it, but not.

Cristina: Why would he give you rules to not do that if he was down with it?

Jack: He was down with you doing it. If you told him to. If he told you to.

Cristina: Okay, then who were those rules for?

Jack: I don't know. Like, one of the literal things it says in the Bible is that if somebody were to take somebody else's wife, he has rights of rape or some s*** like that that's in the Bible. Like, rape is cool with God.

Cristina: Yeah, except periods aren't. You're not supposed to have sex while you're in your period.

Jack: I think that's such a guy thing to write.

Cristina: You're supposed to be in the bathtub the whole time or something.

Jack: Why would Jehovah give a s*** unless he's out here f****** women like Zeus, a demigod.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, he definitely. He definitely did that.

Jack: And he's like, I don't want no period blood.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: Well, I got some news for you, Jehovah. If you can walk through mud, you can f*** through blood.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Can he walk through mud?

Jack: I don't know. He could walk on water.

Cristina: The next question is, how does prayer work? For example, say my friend is sick and we pray for his healing. Wouldn't that mean if I don't pray, he doesn't heal? Isn't the power actually God's? God doesn't need us to ask or tell him what to do. God knows he needs healing because he is sick. What's the point of prayer if I have no power over what actually happens? If I pray, he could die. If I don't, he could die.

Jack: That's a legit question. Because the point of prayer, according to how it's taught to people, it's wrong. Prayer should, in theory, do nothing then, because God has a plan. Allegedly, the Christian God has a plan. Jehovah has a plan that's immaculate, it's perfect. It already considers every possibility that could ever exist, that could ever happen, it could ever take place, all at the same time. So whatever's happening to this person was always gonna happen to this person. Whether or not you pray, your prayer has no effect.

Cristina: Does the Bible. Does prayer come from the Bible, though?

Jack: I don't remember.

Cristina: Or is that something the church came up with?

Jack: I don't remember. But if God's plan was perfect, prayer would mean nothing. Yeah, because what, you just asking nicely is gonna be enough for him to be like, well, my perfect, flawless plan will be altered for this human who doesn't understand perfection. But ask nicely.

Cristina: Yes, but if this God has no idea what he's doing, maybe he will listen to what you're saying.

Jack: That is the only instance in which it makes sense. In which case God is again, a demigod. He'll just take random advice and like, can you help him? It's like, I mean, I guess.

Cristina: Yep, maybe he'll help you. Yeah.

Jack: So that is a huge problem that does exist within religion. The point of prayer, specifically Christianity, there's prayers for other religions, but Christianity has huge holes in the logic there.

Cristina: And in. In Catholic. In Catholicism.

Jack: Catholicism.

Cristina: In Catholicism. In Catholicism, you can also pray to saints and things like that. Like you pray to anyone. You don't even have to pray to God. You pray to Mary if you feel like it. Yeah, like that's a very interesting and.

Jack: Odd choice, but I think prayer is the real use for prayer is a form of meditation to just feel more connected and clear your mind.

Cristina: Yeah. I feel like that's probably what it was originally made, at least for other religions when they have prayer involved, that's seems like what they're doing.

Jack: Yeah. Before the Christians got a hold of it and turned it into some whole other s***.

Cristina: Yeah. But so pray if you feel like you need prayer. I guess.

Jack: Yeah. I would recommend everybody pray. You don't even have to believe in God, just pray to something.

Cristina: Yeah. And you might feel better, maybe 100%. The next question is, witnesses are only mentioned once in the Bible and are not mentioned in any other non biblical source. How can I trust that it actually occurred if I represented a document to court to prove someone's guilty, but only gave one source that was written by someone who was trying to convey the same message? No one would believe me without external validation.

Jack: That's real. And that just goes back to how do I prove. No, you don't. You don't. You don't prove anything. You'll never prove anything.

Cristina: No.

Jack: You have to just have faith.

Cristina: Yes. You just have to have faith.

Jack: Yes. People have a problem with that, it seems. How do I prove this? Well, it wouldn't be religion if you could prove it.

Cristina: Yeah, but they're always trying to prove it, though, to other people. That's how they convert people.

Jack: Yeah. They're totally wrong in trying to prove anything. Because the point is there's no proof.

Cristina: There's no proof. You just have to have faith.

Jack: Yes. The point is a lack of proof. That is literally the point of religion. No proof.

Cristina: No proof. I was telling you there's proof. They're lying to you.

Jack: Yes. Anybody trying to find proof is a liar.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because how are you going to have proof of what? How? And then where's the faith? If you proved there's God?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You don't need faith if you can.

Cristina: Prove there's a God in the Bible. There's like creatures though, right? Like fictional. Not fictional, I guess, but like dragons and phoenixes and stuff like that?

Jack: Yeah, there's weird s*** like that all over the place.

Cristina: Okay, that's interesting. Unrelated, but just very strange. The next question is, a murderer kills a lady who is good. Then that lady goes into eternal bliss faster than if she had just waited to die. The murderer is caught and given the death penalty. The murderer would go into h*** and be tortured for all of time for letting a woman go into eternal bliss for all of time faster. Where is the logic in that?

Jack: If you believe in religion, in Christianity, then all of this was meant to happen anyways. It was part of some weird bigger scheme we cannot comprehend.

Cristina: Yes. God made the murderer to kill that lady.

Jack: Yeah. And he made that lady to be killed by the murderer.

Cristina: Yes. And he wants her to go to heaven, maybe. And the murderer to h***.

Jack: Just cause.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's all part of the planet. Yeah. Just because s**** and the giggles.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The fact that anybody goes to h*** when there's a perfect plan, that's hilarious to me.

Cristina: That is.

Jack: Now, if you don't believe in religion and you are looking at this from the outside thinking, guy kills lady, she goes to like, okay, she goes to heaven, he goes to h***. He's not going to h*** for sending her to eternal bliss. He's going to h*** for ending her life on earth. This is just some ignorant atheist bullshit. This is stupid question formed by a stupid atheist. Yes, well, he sent her to eternal bliss.

Cristina: Yeah. But come on, he ruined her life that she had.

Jack: So you have always wanted a car and there is this stack of money you have that you don't want to use, and I go ahead and I steal your entire stack of money, but I leave behind the car you've always wanted. Well, you got the car you wanted. You're happy now. But you also didn't want to lose the money.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So you're sad now. There's still good and bad.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It didn't cease to be the fact that you f****** had the money and you wanted to keep the money and I forced you to have the car. Even if you ultimately still wanted the car, you still lost, still feel bad.

Cristina: About it because all that hard work.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: You never got to actually do the thing you want to do.

Jack: The money is your life. And it's like there was so much life to be lived and then you died.

Cristina: It's Kind of the journey thing like you're supposed to.

Jack: Yeah, you're gonna enjoy the ride.

Cristina: You're gonna.

Jack: Yeah, you're gonna get to heaven anyways. Yeah, so like what the f*** cutting.

Cristina: The ride off is. It's. That's the wrong here.

Jack: Yeah, but this is the point. Atheists are just as stupid as theists. They're all morons who are using half baked arguments to defend and argue anything. Nobody thinks.

Cristina: No, they think enough to think they know.

Jack: Yeah, I guess they forget that the Dunning Kruger effect exists and that's when you think you're the smartest person in the room, but you're usually the dumbest.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. And so in reality, the smarter you are, the more you know. You don't know.

Cristina: And this person, this person definitely thinks they know.

Jack: Yes. He's like, I did it. That says intelligent as being. Can God both make a rock that's unmovable and move the rock? It's like you're f****** moron.

Cristina: How dare you.

Jack: How dare you. It's stupid. It's so dumb. It's so unthought out.

Cristina: They need more friends. No they don't. I mean more people to talk to about different ideas. I guess.

Jack: Yeah, this isn't worked out enough. Yeah, it's super dumb.

Cristina: It's super dumb.

Jack: Yeah, I reject your question.

Cristina: It's been rejected. Yeah, goes to the loser pile.

Jack: To the losers pile. Yeah, we should make a loser's pile.

Cristina: There you go. That's how bad your question was. Sorry. Anyway, the next question is why is the Earth significant? Why would Earth be inherited by Christians and not the heavens themselves, stars and galaxies? Why does one planet matter more than the trillions of others? Would you still be bound by the arrow of time or will you navigate everything in a higher dimensional perspective?

Jack: Not sure how we got the dimensions from that, but. Okay, first nobody said there weren't people on the other planets also made by God. Yes, that's not written anywhere.

Cristina: He didn't say Earth is the only one.

Jack: Yeah, and why would he give you a book about people from some other planet?

Cristina: Yeah, that wouldn't matter to you.

Jack: That wouldn't matter to you. There's no proof that there aren't people on other planets also worshiping exactly the same God who in theory is everywhere.

Cristina: Yes, there's just other books.

Jack: There's other books. They got books relative to their societies and cultures written by the people who lead and teach them.

Cristina: But what with the whole galaxy? No, dimensions. What was he talking about? Dimensions?

Jack: I don't know. What we? I don't.

Cristina: What the f*** would we.

Jack: Would we still be bound by the arrow of time? Or would we navigate everything in a higher dimensional perspective? Like, what the f*** does that have to do with anything?

Cristina: Does he mean like once we're angels are going to rule everything? I don't know. I don't know. I think that's more God related, not human related. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, that guy went elsewhere with it.

Cristina: Yeah. The next question is, where is the Garden of Eden? The Bible has written with very little geographical knowledge since most of the world had yet to be discovered. But now it's the opposite. We have mapped the entire globe and settled all across it. And anywhere that there aren't humans living. Humans have been there and we have seen every part of it from satellites too.

Jack: That is so unbelievably, astoundingly uninformed. Why the f*** do they think we've explored the whole planet?

Cristina: Because satellites, I don't know, the satellites have done it.

Jack: That's super, super dumb. Like they think we've been to everywhere on the planet. No, that's so dumb.

Cristina: Like there are places, even if satellites captured everything, we definitely haven't been there.

Jack: Yeah. And we haven't like personally looked at every inch of satellite scans.

Cristina: Yeah, there's a bunch of islands that.

Jack: Are just not found.

Cristina: So many islands.

Jack: Yeah, there's islands just not found.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even with satellite imaging, you'd have to scan the whole planet and find every.

Cristina: Single bit of tiny. Yeah, we can't tell how small the lands are there. Like.

Jack: Yeah. And there is a location that's expected, suspected to have been the, the Garden. Garden of Eden. I'm not sure if it was in the islands, the like Virgin Islands area or the African equivalent of that or something like that. It's in one of those places. It's just a little island suspected to fit the descriptions of the Garden of Eden.

Cristina: Okay, so there's some guesses to where the island is.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Or the Garden coup. And one day we'll get there.

Jack: Well, there's actually a conspiracy that the Garden of Eden is within the Bermuda Triangle and that's why it's being like, that's being protected and anything trying to get to it is disappearing to somewhere else. Because the Garden of Eden has been literally moved from space and time. It was a private paradise for perfect beings.

Cristina: Oh, that's a great one. What, what if that is the case? Oh man. And there's no way to prove it, I guess because we can't really do Anything?

Jack: Yeah, we have a weird anomaly on the planet that just like everything vanishes into.

Cristina: Yep, it's in there. I'm sure it is. What? That's awesome.

Jack: Yeah. Like, what the f*** even is the Bermuda Triangle?

Cristina: I don't know, but that's Bermuda.

Jack: Is it the Bermuda. The Bermuda Triangle?

Cristina: Yep. No, you said it two different ways. It sounds the same.

Jack: Yeah, whatever, but the Bermuda Triangle. I have no idea what the f*** is really going on there. Magnets.

Cristina: Magnets and aliens and time travel and the Garden of Eden.

Jack: Yeah, all of it.

Cristina: All of it. Many Christians I know accuse non believers of having hardened hearts, yet won't listen to anything that contradicts their beliefs. Could this also be dangerous? If someone is in an unhealthy relationship because of this religion, they wouldn't get help or even accept it. They hold tightly onto these beliefs and won't accept help since they might see it as temptation. Yeah, it sounds dangerous.

Jack: Believing anything too hard is dangerous. Believing atheism too hard is dangerous.

Cristina: It's all dangerous.

Jack: Any extreme is bad.

Cristina: Any extreme is bad.

Jack: Yes, that's it doesn't matter what you're talking about.

Cristina: Gotta somehow be balanced.

Jack: Well, eating is great. It'll keep you alive also. Eat too much and you might die. Eat too little and you might die. Yeah, air is really good. You need it. Get too little, you will die. Get too much, you will die.

Cristina: Yeah, there's no case that. That's not true. For there's gotta be something.

Jack: There's nothing that doesn't acid. Lsd, lsd. You can do f***, tons of LSD and nothing would happen. Then again, who knows, right?

Cristina: What if they.

Jack: If you can drink a bucket of lsd, I'm sure you die.

Cristina: But there's no too little.

Jack: There's no too little known. There's no such thing.

Cristina: Unless not having it is like. And you'll die in this. And by not having it, it doesn't change your life in the way it should change your life. I don't know.

Jack: There's no. That's a one directional thing.

Cristina: Oh, okay. I guess some things do have. I don't know.

Jack: That's not a good example.

Cristina: That's not a good example. Ignore that example. But you know what we mean. The Garden of Eden was described as a wonderful garden of peace and love. Then one day, a snake whispered into Eve's ear, making her want to eat the apple. Eve shared it with Adam. God threw Adam and Eve out of the garden, which was basically heaven on earth for doing something that they wouldn't have done anyway, if it wasn't for that serpent. If God is all knowing, why didn't he punish the serpent? He did.

Jack: God, this is another stupid f****** question.

Cristina: Well, he did, though. The serpent had no, that's not the point.

Jack: If God is all knowing, why was he surprised?

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: That Eve ate the apple. What the f*** is this guy looking at the wrong problem for? Well, why didn't punish the serpent? Dude? Why did he put the serpent there?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The f*** do you mean why he punished. Why is the serpent there?

Cristina: Why did it exist?

Jack: Why did he make a fruit if he knew they were going to eat it?

Cristina: Why? Yes. Why would he even have that in the garden?

Jack: He made them to get punished.

Cristina: He made. Yes.

Jack: He just wanted to punish them.

Cristina: Yeah. Like why? That's ridiculous. It's so ridiculous. It's like leaving your child with a piece of chocolate in front of them and like walking away after saying, you better not eat it or whatever. Yeah, those weird tests.

Jack: Some kids pass it.

Cristina: Some kids pass it.

Jack: But then if God is waiting to see if they're gonna pass it, that's because he doesn't know the answer.

Cristina: Yeah, that's true.

Jack: Which again is just an argument for being a demigod.

Cristina: Yep. Man, he is a demigod.

Jack: He has to be. It's too much evidence.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: In the Bible. Like the Bible itself tells you he's a demigod.

Cristina: And just because he doesn't like other gods doesn't make him less of a demigod.

Jack: Yeah. And just because he doesn't like other gods doesn't mean there aren't other gods. Yeah, that kind of quite literally means there are other gods.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. He pretty much tells you there's other God by telling you don't believe in other gods.

Jack: Yep. Because don't follow the other gods. Yeah, don't follow the other gods.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What? Why? Why do you care?

Cristina: Why do you care?

Jack: Yeah. So that's kind of crazy and irrational.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Couple of different levels.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: People don't look at the right problems. Religion is problematic. Anyways. Anyway.

Cristina: Did we convert you?

Jack: Did we convert you? We're definitely running out of time. I hope we converted them. If you are super Christian now, if you've converted to Christianity, if you've been.

Cristina: Converted thanks to us, let us know.

Jack: Yeah, let us know. Send us a comment on the bar below. Below. You know, can you imagine? This is YouTube. Send us a like and subscribe below.

Cristina: Below.

Jack: Like Ray William Johnson below.

Cristina: Does it still below? It could be on us now.

Jack: It could be on the screen.

Cristina: Know how to edit that stuff? Like, is that complicated?

Jack: I don't f****** know. Maybe.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I give props to them. I don't know.

Cristina: Press the button on my top. On the top of my head.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: See it?

Jack: Yeah. Click the button floating over her head to subscribe.

Cristina: To subscribe.

Jack: Yeah. Anybody who's not on YouTube right now and is watching us on a podcast platform, somehow, I guess you could, on Spotify, in theory, watch us. Or could you only watch Joe Rogan?

Cristina: I think it's only him.

Jack: That's weird, right? Only Joe Rogan has video on Spotify.

Cristina: Unless you're making Spotify money like that. And I don't think anyone will.

Jack: I mean, they dished out a hundred million dollars for Rogan.

Cristina: Yeah. They gotta do the same for Chappelle. Isn't he gonna have a podcast?

Jack: So that's interesting. I wonder. I wonder where his podcast is gonna be.

Cristina: Yeah. Who's gonna pay and how much are they gonna pay?

Jack: Or is that podcast. It's probably out already.

Cristina: Oh, maybe it is.

Jack: Probably gotta find that. Check it out. Anyways, you guys can definitely find out more things about religion. There are many things about religion and.

Cristina: Theology and philosophy and science and etc.

Jack: All on the Just Conversation podcast. Rambling. All the rambling on. Us rambling about the conversations.

Cristina: Also, you talk with guests about all these topics.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I usually, like, circle back to a guest and be like, do you believe in God? Yeah, I do. Or I don't, or I'm not really sure where I stand. Which is usually the most common answer. Like, I don't know, know, whatever.

Cristina: And then you convert them to the opposite.

Jack: Yeah, I made a Christian become an atheist. I made an atheist become a Christian, and I turned somebody into a spiritualist.

Cristina: So I think you turn a Christian into an atheist and that same atheist into a Christian again.

Jack: Yes. Because fun.

Cristina: Because fun.

Jack: Because fun. So if you want to see some of that stuff, go check out our other content, our other episodes where we talk about those things and we discuss relationship on all kinds of context. And how many ums can you fit? Right.

Cristina: Yes. No, that's not.

Jack: That's bad TV or whatever they say.

Cristina: Is it bad tv.

Jack: Bad radio.

Cristina: Bad radio.

Jack: It's bad TV as well.

Cristina: Oh, I guess so. And like, like, like, like us now.

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Cristina: Yes. And like let us know if you might like us.

Jack: Yeah, this like word of mouth is, is totally like great.

Cristina: And this show has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and like, thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: I don't know, like it's the one day where the new officer's in, so they're just assuming, okay, the guy who's sitting there.

Jack: But look, to be fair, can't a complete random show up in a robe and then sit there? And if it's a new officer, what if your whole job was to con these people and let your homie off? So you set it up in such a perfect way that you got the judge who was supposed to be here replacing the old one. Cuz like the old one is sick. You found out. You waited you sink day or they were going on vacation and you knew and you're like, I'm gonna put the trial for that day so that this guy's coming. I don't know. So you found out that this judge is gonna go on vacation and you figured out you first became somebody who works in the building just to change the date of when that court of when that situation would face your friend. Then when that situation does face your friend that you selected, you've also decided to get the replacement judge off of the case by saying there's another judge coming in, which is you secretly, okay, who just shows up in a row and that you knew there was going to be a new officer, so you change shifts around.

Cristina: What about everyone else that works there daily? They don't know. The transcriber doesn't recognize.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Are they new?

Jack: Well, this brings my point then. Then why do you need the robe? You're defeating your own argument at that point. Why do you need the robe? If somebody's going to be able to.

Cristina: Like nasam no, they should just have a little but ID that says I'm Judge. My name is Judge.

Jack: Y my name is Judge.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

April 11, 2020

Rambling 85: The Easter Zombie

April 11, 2020/ GreyThoughts.Info

Jesus, Easter, Easter Zombie, Holidays, Religion, Faith, God, The Just Conversation Podcast

What does Easter have to do with a rabbit? Unpacking the origins of Easter and how Jesus and a mythical rabbit relate.

Story:
The duo plots on escaping the country to Zombie Island as the national shutdown continues to spread. While in the studio they take the opportunity to unpack upcoming Easter and how it relates to other holidays and deities.

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Topics Discussed:

Egg Delivery
Christ Criminal Organization
The Resurrection
The First Zombie
Dracula
Scientist Christ
12 Year Old Apostles
Holy Coma
Mammals
Sonic 7 Crew
Spring

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