Rambling 235: Norse Mythological Adrenochrome

Does Norse Mythology mention the Shadow Realm? Did the Vikings also have adrenochrome and a method of acquiring it? What did the Luciferians and the Viking discover about mysticism that could help us understand Jesus, The Sea People, The Shadow Realm, Adrenochrome and the Garden of Eden? The duo continue to unravel the ever connecting web of lies and deception perpetrated by the Knights Templar and the governments of the world. What they discover about the Garden and Jesus changes everything we thought was true!

+Episode Details

  • Niflheim
  • The Viking blót sacrifices
  • Edda
  • Norse Mythology
  • Lucifarian Blood Sacrifice
  • Fetus Consumption
  • Heaven Realm
  • Earth Realm
  • Hell Realm
  • The Realm of Fog and Mist
  • The Shadow Realm
  • Three Fruits in the Garden of Eden

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And last week, we went down a pretty interesting rabbit hole that told us a lot of things about this ongoing, seemingly infinite narrative that continues to develop about, I guess, everything about the sea people, about adrenochrome. We were specifically finding out about the different parts of adrenochrome that I didn't know existed. We've been clumping adrenochrome together, thinking it was just one thing, but we found out it was three. It's the nectar, which is the liquid. It's ambrosia, which is the. The organs. And it is ichor, which exists after somebody has consumed adrenochrome.

Cristina: That's their blood or something?

Jack: Yes, that's your blood. It's basically distilled adrenochrome. You consume adrenochrome, process it through your own body, extracted. Now you have a more pure adrenochrome called ichor.

Cristina: Where did the original one come from? Not the ichor, the other one.

Jack: Nectar.

Cristina: Nectar, yes. What's that?

Jack: That's the blood.

Cristina: Okay. But that's just normal.

Jack: That's adrenalized blood.

Cristina: Adrenal. Okay. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. That's adrenalized blood and then adrenalized organs that were in the body of somebody who is high adrenaline.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Those two are while alive, and then the other is after it's been processed through somebody's body.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, consuming ichor is so pure that it can kill people. But if you want to know about that, go revisit the older episode that happened last week, because now we have something a bit different. The conversation that led us there opened a lot of thoughts, and it gave a lot of insight into things that we hadn't considered before.

Cristina: Yeah. It got us to compare Christianity to Greece mythology.

Jack: Greek mythology. Yes. And in doing so, a couple of things came to mind. One, the fact that entire human sacrifices, the firstborns, organs, blood, and the distilled version of this, which is even more impressive. More blood. Okay. We went through Greek mythology, Christianity, to land at these locations. But those aren't the only belief systems that have mentioned this in the past. And another real ancient system that I figured could give us insight was, in fact, Norse mythology.

Cristina: And you found stuff.

Jack: Obviously, you found stuff. So from last week's, episode. Three questions were asked based on what was informed, because, again, we found different ways to access the shadow realm as well, which explains the portals that Jesus had in the ichor. And all these things. All these things. Just really complicated series of things. The three questions that came to mind, what Norse mythology's connection to the shadow realm is. What Norse mythology's connection to human sacrifice and the three branches of adrenochrome are.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Jack: And unrelated to that system. After we established that Christianity has a lot of mention and Greek mythology has a lot of mention of consuming humans, oftentimes children, hence the firstborn, and sacrificing the child, and literal animal sacrifice from Cain and Abel, which might be a metaphor for a child. All these things, it made me wonder. One of the most controversial and direct versions of child sacrifice is abortion. And one of the main forms of abortion, other than the obvious, the clear, the. The. The unavoidable one where women straight up go to a place, a fetus is extracted and taken, who knows where. You're done, you exit, your job is done, you dropped off the fetus and you leave. We know that if everything else were to assume about adrenochrome is true, then that fetus is being used in something twisted, which is a whole deep dive for the future. But as we're looking into mythologies, specifically abortion brings up an interesting group of people who are well known for performing abortions, which is Luciferians.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. Instead of going through the science aspect of these Planned Parenthood places and abortion centers, which is obvious what they're doing, let's approach this from a mythological standpoint and a belief system. And then in the future, we'll go to the scientific angle of the same thing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, Luciferians call it a blood sacrifice. By the way, it is hard as h*** to find anything on Luciferians. I did not realize how complicated tracking this would be. Almost nothing.

Cristina: Super secretive.

Jack: Super secretive, I guess, because it would be too many similarities with obvious things. So it's a huge suppression effort from anybody who's okay with abortion to begin with because you don't want these two wires to get crossed and people be like, wait a minute. So this is gonna be the shortest part of this conversation. And it is also probably absolutely the darkest. So I will warn anybody listening, this is gonna get really f***** up. I usually don't give a warning, but this is about children. This is pretty f***** up. And this is recorded. These are things that people have done and that sometimes still happen today.

Cristina: Okay. So the stories that you have found. These are like people who witnessed it that were not part of the group because they were not gonna like. No one in the group is sharing these secrets.

Jack: They are totally fine with sharing these things because there's no proof of anything.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They are absolutely stories. As far as we know. There's no way to prove it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Because the. The self proclaimed Luciferians gladly will share this information because how do you prove it? So they call it a blood sacrifice and it is the purpose of it. This is first of all where I'm like, oh s***. There's a lot of similarities already. It's performed to create. And these words are very important because we're going to revisit them later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Blood sacrifices are performed to create a strong connection with gods of the other realm. Interesting. Very specific word selection. I came across gods of the other realm often time naming one of these gods Lucifer. Less relevant, just important information, I suppose, for the sake of Luciferianism.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But it's created to. They're performed to create strong connections with gods of the other realms. Of the other realm. They say realm exclusively gods of the other realm. Now, allegedly performing the ritual grants the participants abilities, youth and immortality, which we've.

Cristina: All come across with just looking up.

Jack: Adrenochrome, picking up adrenochrome, small detail that is going to give us a lot of insight that we haven't heard anywhere else though it gives ability, youth and immortality and the ability to hear the voices of the gods of the other realms in your mind.

Cristina: Oh my gosh, the Bible makes so much more sense though. Oh my gosh, the Bible makes so much sense now.

Jack: So many questions.

Cristina: Nobody was speaking to them. That's why we don't hear him anymore. Oh my gosh, that is so wrong.

Jack: But who says they do hear God? The priests? The Pope. Do you see? No.

Cristina: Oh my gosh, it's so happening.

Jack: Also, can the Pope still hear the voice of God? Oh, those under the crown are talking directly to God.

Cristina: Oh no. Oh, what?

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. And this is going to inform future information which we'll get to.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: How the ritual takes place. The blood sacrifice ritual. A pregnant woman, about six to eight months of pregnancy. The baby is extracted, oftentimes in the woods, forcefully. Kill. Extracted and killed. The body of the child is opened, starting at the chest between the ribs and lowering till right before the pelvic bone and that is torn open. The blood that builds up in the cavity is scooped up and they cover themselves with it on their skin. This reminds me of the countess who used to kill her maids. So they cover themselves on their arms, they cover their face, they cover their neck, they cover their chest, they cover their arms, their arms and their legs.

Cristina: This is way more disturbing. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: They remove the organs of. From the body and consume them raw.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They consume the organs of the fetus or infant raw, whichever one you want to call it. And they sometimes engage in an orgy as the ritual is performed. Hence the blood orgy title. That's the only way I found this through blood orgy, ironically. Okay, Ironically, the only way I found this was through South Park. I typed that in. So they must have gone down the rabbit hole too and found this s*** through there. Because I couldn't find crap until I typed in blood orgy, which I remembered from south park and linked me back. And now a whole bunch of doors of Luciferianism opened.

Cristina: That is crazy.

Jack: And the most important thing about the ritual is the mother is the only one allowed to consume the child's heart. I don't understand the significance of that. Nothing was elaborated on that. This is part of the ritual. The mother is the only one allowed to consume the child's heart.

Cristina: Maybe it's just so special to this baby. It's a treasure. It's her treasure she's giving back to herself, I guess.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: It's some weird. Whatever. That's the sermon. Okay, so they eat its.

Jack: They cover themselves in its blood and they eat all its organs. And only the mother can eat the heart. And it gives them the ability. It gives them abilities, youth, immortality, and most importantly, it gives them the capacity to hear the voice of gods from the other realm.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. What?

Jack: Dark.

Cristina: That is so dark.

Jack: That's dark. Dark.

Cristina: I don't.

Jack: That's the deep end. But necessary to go through in order to realize. Yes, the abortion ritual, which is the best way to call this for the understanding of other people, the abortion ritual is acquiring nectar and ambrosia. Interesting enough, it doesn't mention anything about them drinking the nectar. They're just covering themselves in it, which tells us ambrosia is more powerful than nectar because they're still consuming that part of it.

Cristina: Okay. And I mean, but it's still in it, like, too.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: It's filled with the matter. Yeah.

Jack: And what's most interesting about this is the ability to hear the voices of the gods from the other realm. This is interesting because we haven't stumbled upon this before, which means just having adrenochrome doesn't do this. Or just having ambrosia doesn't do this.

Cristina: No, but Jesus's story makes so much sense now.

Jack: Jesus, the narrative kind of clarifies a lot. A lot.

Cristina: It makes it what he does. Not even weird for that time because they were already doing stuff like that for God. Anyways.

Jack: Like now, to answer a question, this was first question. How does abortion relate? Answered how abortion relates to adrenochrome.

Cristina: Life changing. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Now, going back one question to what the connection between human sacrifice and the Norse is. The Norse are basically Vikings. We say Norse mythology in order to allow people to. Because we can't say Vikings and then have to make the connection every time the Norse allows people to just instantaneously understand the people who believe in Norse mythology.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But to elaborate, the people who believe in Norse mythology are the Viking.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Those were the people who believe in the north in the Norse mythology. Now, before we dive into what Norse mythology is exactly, and how this has informed our. Our information and everything we've been connecting and the fact that it is obviously one big picture broken up into fragments.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Vikings do in fact have a connection to adrenochrome. They have what is called the blot sacrifice. Oh, and in the blot sacrifices, they sacrifice to the gods in order to acquire things in return.

Cristina: What are they sacrificing?

Jack: Humans and animals.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And oftentimes these humans and animals are hung. But let's follow this next important detail. They are hung in ritual locations with, and I quote, strong connections to the gods and the other realm, of course.

Cristina: Okay. The other realms. Okay.

Jack: Which is exactly what happens in the blood sacrifice. The point is to get a stronger connection to the gods.

Cristina: Oh, that's why they're doing in the woods.

Jack: Yes, exactly. Where are the Vikings hanging their sacrifices? From trees in the woods, in areas with strong connections.

Cristina: They wouldn't happen to have mountain, a mountainy area, would they?

Jack: Well, we will answer that eventually.

Cristina: Okay. Just for some reason popped up Moses on his mountain. Like, why didn't we think of that too? Like, mountains have become much more important to the story.

Jack: Much more significant, the fact that Moses went up to a mountain and came down with not only information that transcends the capacity of humans, but saying he directly spoke. Spoke to God and his face was glowing.

Cristina: Actually.

Jack: Was his face going? I think his face is going. No, it was the other guy who saw his shoulder or some crap. Right. Something like whatever. He came down. Super awesome. Yes, because he went up a mountain and spoke to God. God's on top of mountain.

Cristina: And we have heard that he's on top of mountain.

Jack: Like we have heard that. Yeah. Okay, now about the blot sacrifices. The blood from the sacrifices are collected in bowls and twigs used to splatter the blood on the altar, on the walls and on cult participants. They're not drinking it, they're putting it on themselves. The same way of the. As the blood sacrifice.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the blood sacrifice is the English translation almost of the blot sacrifice.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The Vikings were performing a abortion sacrifice, but not necessarily with a fetus or an infant, just with people. And the hanging, I'm presuming, creates the most amount of fear because, you know.

Cristina: But they're not eating this.

Jack: Well, interesting enough, the next part of this is the fact that they do extract the organs from the bodies.

Cristina: Is it just animal bodies or you're.

Jack: Saying it's humans and animals alike? Oh, humans and animals are hung in the woods. Their blood is collected in bowls, splattered the blood on the altar's walls and on the cult participants. And the meat is collected, eaten by all in attendance. Identical. Identical with the intention of what? To get. To get something to connect to the gods and get something in return from them, which they believed were the abilities they were acquiring, which they believe was the youth they were acquiring. Which they believe was the immortality they were acquiring. But doing the sacrifice was the only way to what, engage with the God in the first place?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh, communication with God.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: So this there have been important, important, important. We've established something like this long ago. If there's enough concentrated fear within a region, a being from the shadow realm can cross over. The less there is, the harder it is, the more ghost like you are. But the more there is, the more solidified you become. Until you can completely cross over without the need for a gate. Okay, what's happening here is exactly that. They're either creating a mental connection, so it's the faintest when it's just a infant was killed and you guys consume and drown and put it on your bodies. You cover yourself in the baby's blood, you eat the baby's organs, and you start hearing all the effects that we know of. Adrenochrome happen. And then you start hearing the voice in your head. This is bare minimum. Nobody's scared here. Baby's dead. Nobody's scared here. You guys are looking happily to get here. And still the lowest frequency of what you've done in a high concentration area. You can still hear it, but a lot of Fear a lot of collection a lot of something. And you can directly interact with the God, which is what the Vikings have. You hang the people from the trees. A lot of fear in an area. The area is already suspected to have high concentration, many bodies hanging from trees. You concentrated it, and now you have more access to these beings. The rules apply cleanly as we established them before.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There is a degree. It's by degree. It's a slighter. The more. The more clear your connection is.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: Now let us dive into what Norse mythology actually is, because this is going to inform a whole other s*** store of things. First, Norse mythology predates Christianity by about 2000 years. It is called the EDDA. That is in its language, the EDDA focuses on a giant tree that connects all of the nine realms. It's an immense central tree. And above, there are places. Below there are places, and around, there are places. And we consider these the realms.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now let's go through these realms. There is a realm called Muspelheim. This is the Land of Fire. Sounds very similar to Hel. It's just lakes of fire and rivers of fire. And a lot of fire.

Cristina: A lot of fire. Are there creatures of fire? I guess.

Jack: Things of fire. All of these places got creatures that are native to them.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Asgard, the realm of the gods, AKA heaven. Right. Okay.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Located dead center of the tree. Directly above it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Floating above it.

Cristina: Where's the fireplace located?

Jack: Below the tree.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes. It's. You got to go downwards from the tree to get there directly. Center of the tree, below it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, within Asgard, there is a place called Valhalla. And Valhalla is where people go when they die. And they are honorable. Literal gates of heaven.

Cristina: Yes. For the best lords or whatever.

Jack: Then we have Midgard. Midgard is where the base of the tree is.

Cristina: Is that Earth?

Jack: This is Earth. This is what we would call the Earth Realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Now.

Jack: Jotunheim, Home of the gods.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Of the giants. My bad. Home of the giants. Dominated by mountains, rivers and forests.

Cristina: Mountains, is it. Where is it on this tree?

Jack: Weirdly enough. This falls next to Midgard.

Cristina: Okay. Seems very reachable.

Jack: Very reachable. Vanaheim. Home of the Vanir. The Vanir are ancient. An ancient branch of gods. They're the gods that predate the Asgardian gods.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The location of this is actually unknown. What? But it is only accessible through Asgard.

Cristina: Okay. So it's up in Heaven.

Jack: It's up in heaven.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's another level of Heaven or somewhere around Heaven. That's a weird one, isn't it?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then there is Alfelheim, home of the Light Elves. Important what I'm about to say. This is located next to Asgard. This is the third place in heaven.

Cristina: Okay. The elves live there.

Jack: Light Elves are the gods of nature.

Cristina: Okay, that makes sense. Okay.

Jack: Now this one's complicated. Svartalfheim. Svardofeim. Okay, so this one is the home of the dwarves, located underneath the crust of the earth.

Cristina: That's its own realm.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Helheim, home of the dishonorable dead.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This is where the punishment happens.

Cristina: That's also in the bottom, somewhere below.

Jack: Now, let's put this into a perspective. I only mentioned eight for a very specific reason. We'll get to the ninth one in a moment.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If we're going to put this in an image that we can understand clearly, we would say the Christian heaven contains Asgard, Vanaheim and Alfelheim. Thus the realm of the gods, realm of the old Gods, and realm of.

Cristina: The elves, which are still gods.

Jack: All in heaven? Yes. These are all kinds of gods.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Different realms at this point is losing its meaning and becoming more of continents, countries, something along those lines. We got to think of them as. Okay, within Asgard, there are two other important locations. So Alheim is where the brave go when they die during battle. That's the other side of Heaven. Of Heaven. Of the. Of Valhalla.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's. It's interesting because all four Alfelheimer is what I'm talking about, because Alfelheim is where the Light Elves go. And then Folkvanger, which is where the other half of the brave go. They don't go together. They get split into two groups, both for the honorable. Okay, so there's just many locations in Heaven.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Different areas in Heaven.

Cristina: Sure. Where the gods, angels, and, I guess the humans that deserve to go up there.

Jack: The easiest way to think about the elves is that they're angels. Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's the easiest way to think of the. The elves. It's two different eras of gods and angels. But there's something important about laying it out like this that matters a lot because it tells. It informs our view of Earth even more. The fact that we come across Zeus and Jehovah coexisting. But we look at this layout, and even within Heaven, they've got their own.

Cristina: Territories, which we feel like on Earth, they all have their own territories.

Jack: Most importantly, we're talking just elevation. Like I said, the way we're describing Realms. When we're talking Norse mythology, it doesn't seem like you cross some magical threshold or become a different physical type of thing. It looks like they're just physical spaces that coexist.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And when we're talking about Asgard and Vanaheim and Apelheim, we're just talking about high altitude. Yeah, the highest of altitude. Which reminds us of things like Olympus.

Cristina: Which is right there.

Jack: Station on top of a mountain.

Cristina: Yeah, the highest mountains.

Jack: The highest of mountains.

Cristina: In this case, the highest of trees.

Jack: Well, they're not placed on top of the tree.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Just know they're over the tree.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It says floating, but they're just over the tree. We know they're over the tree. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Weird that they're just physical spaces.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: No transcending anything. You just. If you had a plane back then, you could just reach them. Weird. Now, what we're gonna call the Christian Earthrealm contains Midgard, home of the humans. Jotunheim, home of the giants.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Svaltalheim, home of the dwarves.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Dwarves are just below the crust. That's still physically Earth.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Specifically says that they. You can reach them through caves.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's not a complicated. Like, nothing is happening here. That's crazy. No, they're just underneath the ground. The end. Not even far underneath the ground. You just. You can get there through a cave.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we got giants. They hang around the mountains and in the woods. We got the humans hanging in the plains and in the forests, along with some giants who also hang out in the forest. And then we have the dwarves that hang out underground and inside caves and whatnot.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Very Earth like atmosphere.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Important that the giants are often closer to mountains because mountains in Greek mythology are where the gods are hanging out. And the giants climb the mountains to attack the gods.

Cristina: Yes. And they're supposedly giants in the Bible.

Jack: But the giants in the Bibles aren't hanging out in mountains. Neither is God. Well, except when he was talking about Moses.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh, s***. So in every case, we have gods on top of mountains. Always.

Cristina: And we have giants and we have.

Jack: Giants, but we don't have giants at mountains in Christianity. We do have giants and mountains in Norse mythology. We do have giants and mountains in Greek mythology, but we don't have it in Christianity. Just patterns, weird consistencies. And the fact that again, we have all of Earth realm seem like a physical space.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The traversable physical space. You could walk to all these locations.

Cristina: Although they only took the dead to those locations.

Jack: None of These I have mentioned, are where the dead are.

Cristina: The ones in the.

Jack: Oh, the ones in heaven. Yeah, the heaven equivalent.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which is weird, right? This very Dragon Ball Z esque scenario where you could just like, well, I'm gonna go see dad after he died, and you'd literally just go shake hands with him and King Kai's planet or some crap. That's a weird one. Like, no, he's just over there. That comes down sometimes. He chills with us.

Cristina: Dragon Ball seems closer to his truth.

Jack: Yeah, it seems the case might be. Now, the Christian h*** still in Norse mythology, is divided into two parts, which is Muspelheim, the land of fire, and Helheim, home of the dishonorable dead.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: These don't seem traversable anymore. Unless we're talking really, really, really, really deep into the Earth, which also seems to be, how the narrative goes. A physically reachable place. It's a m*********** to get to. The hardest to get to of all these locations, you're closer to get to Asgard than you are to h***.

Cristina: But it's right under us.

Jack: It's right under us. You can get there. Yeah, you can get there. And just as we have giants before mountains, before heaven, we have dwarves before the crust, before h***. There's always something, some creature buffer between these two locations. It's very important that we keep in mind buffer creatures.

Cristina: Buffer creatures.

Jack: Buffer creatures. Very, very interesting that we have a lot of that. Now, the last realm that I've not mentioned is called Heffelheim. And Heffelheim is described as the land of mist and fog, a hazy, unclear, unsure place that is somehow connected to the tree that connects everything else. But just like the one location in Asgard is unclear where this is really at.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's not a place of punishment or a place of reward. It's more like Earth, but a warped version of it that's unclear and foggy and jumbled in a way which sounds almost identical to the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: What? I think it's the shadow realm.

Jack: Interesting enough. Christianity also has its version of this. It's Limbo.

Cristina: Oh, that's.

Jack: It's a. Not punishment, not reward kind of Earth, like wasteland, other thing.

Cristina: Yeah, the shadow realm. What's that place called? The misty place.

Jack: Niflheim considered the Mist World.

Cristina: The mist world. Is there anything in the mist world, did they say?

Jack: It's not specific. There are, like, creatures. There's a lot of fog, there's some river. That's actually where the tree gets its water from.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Gets his Water from the mist world.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Think about this. The tree connects every other realm and gets its life source from what's essentially the shadow realm. What are we learning from this?

Cristina: I don't. I feel like we're learning something. I haven't learned something.

Jack: I don't know what it is.

Cristina: I don't know what it is. But it feels important.

Jack: It does feel important. Right? There's some greater significance to our entire. Everything. All versions of it. Heaven, h***, Earth. All relying on the existence of the shadow realm somehow.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Our power source is the shadow realm. And we know there's a natural flow from that way this way. But we have to unnaturally access that location. It is a one way street. Normally speaking.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Life comes from. But life doesn't go to. We have to cheat our way over there.

Cristina: Which I guess is a good example of the tree taking life from it and not giving anything to it.

Jack: Exactly. We cheat our way. We come up with adrenochromes and we come up with Jesus gates and. But ultimately it should be a one way street. We're just breaking that rule.

Cristina: Yes, but why is it a one way street?

Jack: Why is it a one way street? And why is everything dependent on that? Why is it in Norse mythology is claiming it is the source of the tree's life. And the tree sustains life of everything else. All the other realms rely on the tree. This is the most important detail. All the other realms rely on the tree. And the source of the life for the tree is its most insignificant of places.

Cristina: So how is it related to us?

Jack: I have no idea. I have no clue how that came to be.

Cristina: Interesting. We'll figure something out. I know we will. But it's. It's interesting.

Jack: Now in Norse mythology there is a very important detail. Usually if you are not a person with the capacity and natural ability to cross from realm to realm, you use the tree to get there. Usually gods can easily move from one to the other traverse. Presumably because going to heaven means you gotta fly or some PS like that. Going to h***, you gotta cross. Crazy. Maybe only the dwarves know the way. Or the people who from h*** know the way. And so you need special information or special abilities to access things. But the tree has all the answers. If you wanted to get there and weren't one of the knowing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Although there's no understanding of how to get the Niflheim. You can access it through the tree.

Cristina: What?

Jack: You can go to the tree and one of its roots will lead you straight there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Also, there are three routes total. And they spread out in different directions.

Cristina: And they all take you somewhere.

Jack: One of which. The other two are completely insignificant. They don't go any more important because what they do is completely different.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The tree will give you the information you require. That is why you go to the tree to learn how to access some of these places.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The tree as being connected to Asgard and being connected to Midgard and being connected to Helheim and all the other places can also provide somebody who completes the trees trials with the abilities that are provided to the inhabitants of these locations.

Cristina: What? There's a trials? What?

Jack: Yeah, the tree can give you trial. It's a tree of everything, can give you trials that will give you God abilities or abilities of those in h*** or creature abilities. Yeah, you go through these trials to accomplish these things. A tree can provide trials. A tree doesn't talk to you or anything. It'll just. Trials will become apparent. I'm not sure how. Yeah, I guess you stand in front of and hallucinate or something. There's a whole other conversation about what this tree is supposed to f****** be.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: But the most important part of this tree is it. There is a route that guides you where there's no other way to access. That is an incredibly important sentence. The two ideas are, there are three routes to this tree. One will give you the knowledge you need, one will give you the ability you need, and one will allow you to traverse a distance you need. This is important because the Garden of Eden claims to have two trees. One with knowledge and one with life. Immortality, the power and the knowledge. But you dig deep enough into Christianity and you come across the Tree of Cavalry, which isn't a literal tree. It is the piece of wood that Jesus Christ was nailed to. It is the cross. They call that the Tree of Cavalry because it is wooden.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If you avoid Christianity and you go to the original texts that were translated into Christianity and translate them yourself. That very Tree of Calvary was cut from a hunk of wood that came from the Garden of Eden.

Cristina: How?

Jack: Because it was part of Jesus's plan. He brought the wood.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Oh. And he got crucified on the wood. Although nobody knew where it came from.

Cristina: It was part of his plan.

Jack: There was a ritual that took place. Oh, my gosh. There's a ritual that took place with somebody dying. Jesus Christ.

Cristina: Knew how to come back.

Jack: It'll allow him to traverse an impossible distance into another realm.

Cristina: How do you get that wood? Who let him in?

Jack: Somebody let him slip in. Or somebody brought it out.

Cristina: His Mom.

Jack: His mom wasn't allowed back in until she had. Until he was dead.

Cristina: But maybe she had it with her.

Jack: They wouldn't have kicked her out with it. They were supervising that lady at every corner. But there is a question there. There is a literal question there.

Cristina: Where did he get it?

Jack: Where did he get the Tree of Cavalry? Which, by the way, weirdly enough, if you translate it backwards. Not translate backwards. You find the original text and translate it without the edited versions and the warped text that they come up with.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: They call it the Tree of Soul. That's the literal, exact translation. I don't know why the Tree of Cavalry is how it ended up, but.

Cristina: So you got the knowledge.

Jack: If knowledge, you have life and you have soul. The Tree of Soul. Spirit. I don't know what the relevance of the word soul is, but if we call it that, maybe we'll think of it differently. It's a tree of soul. Jesus Christ acquired a piece from a tree that would allow the consumer of the fruit of that tree. And by the way, this took a lot of digging to find out. The consumer of the fruit of that tree. Yes. It also had a fruit like the other two trees.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: To, like a fairy at will be able to cross through realms. What, like a fairy?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: As we know, the fairies are the only beings that are neither from here nor there that can easily hop in and out of Earth realm and the shadow realm, like nothing. Which also suggests the third realm, which would fall in line with Christian beliefs in the first place. No, I don't know where the they're from. I just know they can enter the shadow realm and Earth realm easily. We haven't really established where they're from. We just know that the fairies can kind of hop in and out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're the only things we know that don't require any kind of anything else. Yeah, and that's how they actually made the deal with, presumably, Santa Claus, who has the tightest grip on all this s*** to begin with. Again, you guys can find that in another episode, of which there are many.

Cristina: Okay, so he somehow managed to get a piece of this tree and the fruit of this tree?

Jack: No, he managed to get a piece of the tree because I believe he couldn't. I think acquiring the fruit was harder. Maybe it would have been too obvious. So they removed the piece of the wood, and then getting crucified on the wood allowed him to now have something relative. Maybe it wasn't even about him crossing. Maybe he required this as part of the ritual that would allow him to hear a voice in his head.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: From the other side.

Cristina: So I don't think this thing was already talking to him.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Or maybe he did perform some other ritual. He did have that thing about the flush, you know?

Cristina: Yeah, I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. There's a. It brings up a lot of questions.

Cristina: Yeah, he's doing a lot of things.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Where did he get this lid? How? It's from the Garden of Eden. And you don't think Mary was a.

Jack: P. Oh, I'm actually f****** up a little. Eating the fruit actually requires the consumer to die before they get the abilities out of the way. Eating the fruit of spirit requires you to die to acquire.

Cristina: Whoa. What? Wait. What does the fruit do again?

Jack: The fruit allows you to traverse from one realm to the other. Okay, so he did get the ability. That's actually what did happen in dying on the cross. He acquired the ability. But again, you do still need to be brought back to life.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The fruit of life doesn't bring you back to life. It gives you mortality. And yes, I still believe that Adam and Eve are a technology different. Different episode for what I stumbled upon related to that.

Cristina: Okay, okay, okay.

Jack: But yes, quite definitely their technology. And I think all of this is technology. I think the fruits are a version of technology.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: I think this is the sea people breaking the rules to do different things without having to use fun. Fact or not? Fact, but theory. Enter unicorns. We have three different fruits. I think this is why unicorns are f****** relevant. Yes, there is engineered something. Genetically engineered something. But people were getting horns that were giving abilities. So maybe that theory is bullshit, that this was a genetically engineered creature. I think the Pegasus was definitely genetically engineered, but I don't think the unicorn was because people had. Antonio Draco, bro. He gave this to people who couldn't walk. And they could suddenly walk. If the people couldn't see, they could suddenly see. There was something about this unicorn, the alicorn. Something about alicorn that the sea people were fully aware of. And the sea people also happen to have the Garden of Eden, which contains four different technologies. A technology for immortality without adrenochrome.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: A technology for some unearthly knowledge. A technology to traverse the realms. Like dying after you've had a dream of chrome. Almost identical. When you consider the fruit of spirit, you have to.

Cristina: They knew about this other place. Somehow they're connected to.

Jack: Well, they already knew about my cough. That they got the f*** away from. And that was a direct link to the shadow realm.

Cristina: They did something wrong, they did something.

Jack: Bad and they act. And whatever the technology code Adam and Eve is.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I think they used unicorn alicorns in order to make these technologies. That's where that piece fits. It's something with incredible abilities. That isn't science. They use it and added it to science to make things happen.

Cristina: I don't think it's a creature from here either.

Jack: I think it's a f****** fairy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I think a unicorn is a fairy. I think it's a horse fairy.

Cristina: It's a horse fairy. It's a fairy. It's a fairy. It's for sure a fairy.

Jack: For sure fairy. They. There's an animalistic non hyper intelligent fairy like other creatures. It's just wherever the fairies come from, there are animals.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That aren't like crazy intelligent like normal people or normal fairies. It's just an animal because we know the shadow realm also has it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The shadow realm has intelligent beings and it has their animal equivalent.

Cristina: Yeah, I think. Yeah, you're right. I think the fairy. Those are fairies.

Jack: Those are fairies. Unicorns are fairies. I am for sure. A Pegasus is something genetically engineered. It's just things that exist over here that they put together and look cool. Look at my cool car. Or whatever. But unicorns are fairies.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they know how to use unicorn blood and unicorn alicorns to make these technologies that they are trying to hide from whatever either they're. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Because now we're hitting the wall again. I'll find something else in the future. But this is. It's making a lot of sense so far because this began originally with unicorns and then we left it behind because. Didn't seem to connect anywhere.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It didn't seem to go anywhere. These special abilities, these things. But everything that. The one thing we've known is whatever you could do with adrenochrome, you could do with alicorn. Of course the idea was this.

Cristina: I think they. The power that they have. Adam and Eve is what the gods want. I really think that's what they want because that's the thing of life. Like in the Norse mythology, they made people a lot like God made people. But like it feels very technology. Like it wasn't natural birth or anything. They, they made. They made people. They want this technology because they don't have it.

Jack: So you think Adam and Eve Is in fact population technology.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The ability to create.

Cristina: Gods aren't really gods. They're just someone who found the tech to make life. And there's people that want that. These higher beings, they're fighting over this.

Jack: The people who have it are the sea people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The argument here is that the sea people are equal in caliber to the rest of these gods.

Cristina: Yeah, they are.

Jack: And we. The weirdest part is we can home then the idea is whole other perspective. And we've talked about this before, I guess. Yes. Yeah, we talked about this a long time ago about just Jehovah. That Jehovah came from a group of people and they just got more progressively powerful over time. They were made by something, but possibly technology too, that with enough time, the goal was to get one of these things to cross over to the next stage where they themselves could make life.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And every civilization has its own version of that. That's what the Greek gods are. They were something that managed to get to this God like power, but they were just mortals like we were. And Jehovah and whatever people he's from also, again, they were just some form of mortal that elevated to that point. And the Norse gods, again, just some form of mortal that elevated to that point. And we're witnessing with the sea people another form of mortal that elevated to that. And maybe might not be exactly that. The road is the same. But they're as close from our.

Cristina: Yes, I think they're stopping the whole. The God part, the end part of it happening though. Because all of these stories, they end with the God finally getting the thing and then restarting and everything happens again and then the new God and then whatever. Yeah, because Jesus would have been that God. But they're stopping him.

Jack: But they're stopping him. Then what's the point of stopping it?

Cristina: Because it ends. All of this. It.

Jack: The reset. The reset God Jesus would have been the one. Yes, that Jehovah. Jehovah's winning. That's the argument here. Jehovah was winning. We would know because it's also the most dominant religion. Even Islam contains Christianity within it.

Cristina: It's not. He's not winning because he didn't get to restart because we're still here.

Jack: He was winning. He was, he was winning. And Jesus was the way. He was the one who had the guy who was actually gonna do it. I did it. I beat all of you. I got him. I got the guy who's gonna reset the system. That makes me God and that makes him the God who takes my place. But the sea people didn't allow it.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So, but we know Jehovah of Dark isn't the same as Jehovah of Light. We just don't know what the h*** to call Jehovah of Dark. Jehovah of Light is just another sea person and he's part of who's stopping this. So Jehovah of Dark found the right being because again, what were the visions, what were the visions that forced them to get rid of Mary in the first. The first place? That's another weird thing. This guy somehow started to communicate with this kid and other people and oh yeah, find the kid. Find the kid for me, people. Chances are the people who are having the visions of Jesus in the first place were people who went through the ritual and started hearing the voice in their head.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, those people. Yeah.

Jack: But then why were they having visions of Jesus? I understand getting the voice of Jehovah of Dark. These rituals are essentially meant to connect to the shadow realm.

Cristina: But why.

Jack: But why? And why, again, why are we getting. Why is there energy reliance on the shadow realm? One question we need to figure out. Why is Jehovah of Dark so interested in Jesus if that's not even his descendant? Why is. Why are his people. I mean, I guess his people are trying to stop it so the gods don't find the technology that is in fact the way to do it because they haven't figured it out. And the sea people have it. I understand getting. I guess getting Jesus was about that.

Cristina: Why do we think there's a Jehovah Dark? How do we know that's not Jesus? He's separating these two characters.

Jack: Well, Jehovah of Dark is literally who's been kind of doing a lot of this crap. It's. We have Jehovah of Dark at the very crossing point where all these horrible things end and needing sacrifices end and all this stuff. And then we just have Jesus suddenly show up. We have Jehovah of Dark in many instances, communicating and asking for really dark things. This is why the sacrifices were asked for. Jehovah of Light has no reason for that. Jehovah Light is who's still around. He got rid of Jesus and then we're just hearing Jehovah of Light all the time. No more Jehovah of Dark.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: They are clearly two different. The switch from one to the other was so dramatic that it's obvious they were two different beings. And Jesus trying to create gateways to access the point he can die. Go back and have a gate to come through already. Fine. But then he is a physical creature from this side to have to die to get there first. Jehovah of dark is some s*** over there trying to f****** get people to create that fear and that thing because he needs that to come through. Jehovah give a crap. So we're arguing Jehovah of light is equal to the Greek and the Norse gods. And Jesus was gonna be. We're not gonna be. Jesus was just some other guy. This is some kid. But something weird happened. So the sea people were definitely elevating quickly to the point that they already have the population. Technology. Probably, yes. And they have the ability to traverse realms which even the Norse gods don't and the Greek gods don't, but the sea people do. So we're also talking that, again, these are just technologically advanced beings that seem like gods from our point of view, but it's just technology. They have to. Yes, the Norse and the Greek, the Christian. This is just technology.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Except when we're talking about the Shadow.

Cristina: Realm, what are you missing?

Jack: I don't know what we're missing. There's a lot of questions answered and a lot of questions just that popped up.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: It's complicated.

Cristina: Complicated. Still so many missing pieces.

Jack: And everything depends on the Shadow Realm. Somehow the Shadow Realm is fueling this side somehow. And Mount Kaath was an access point. And the Shadow people somehow made Mount Kaf invisible. It was very important for them to do that. Now, that doesn't stop anything from Mount Kaath from coming to this side. As far as I know, you made it unseen.

Cristina: But they can still.

Jack: Which is about other people not finding it. So not letting others access the Shadow Realm is important, but you having access to the Shadow Realm is important. You found a way to get there without needing the mountain. So you hid the mountain. You have the fruit that allows you to get there. Well, code fruit. Some technology. You have some technology that allows you to cross the threshold into the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: What are they doing? I don't know. I don't know. Because what would they want to do with those?

Jack: And something about the old equator involves. Is involved here. Something about the civilizations on the old equator is part of this. The Mayans and the Egyptians are particularly important in whatever's going on.

Cristina: It has to do with the end of the world. It feels like, I don't know, three.

Jack: Technologies that are incredibly astounding and then one for population. Are they building an army and are they gonna attack the Shadow Realm and take over it?

Cristina: I don't feel like that's it.

Jack: Clothes is just so crazy. Throw s*** at the wall and see if something stinks.

Cristina: Yeah. Nah, that doesn't feel right. Because there's so much hiding going on with them. They're hiding. They're hiding everything.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Everything's being hidden.

Jack: After sharing everything.

Cristina: After sharing everything.

Jack: They were sharing everything for a really long time and then something backfired. And it's not backfired. Who knows if it backfires? Something changed. We know that much. Something changed and then hiding. Everything is hiding now. I think they did discover or create or invent some form of nuts. Technology that they have to keep away from other s***. And following the finding of this technology, it was totally fine for them to completely erase an access point which was Mount Kaf.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They were maybe using that access point, but now nobody else can find it. And we're so good at hiding s***. You guys can't find us. And you guys can. H*** no. In no way find that mountain?

Cristina: No.

Jack: But why? And what is the importance of Jesus to Jehovah of Dark?

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know. There's still things we gotta figure out.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: It's so weird. We got a lot of things, though. So much is solved thanks to all of this connecting to each other. But still it makes no sense.

Jack: The problem is I don't know where to go from here. I don't know where to go from here. We've dissected the old equator. We've dissected Norse mythology and found some answers. We've. I can keep dissecting other religions. I guess there has to be some.

Cristina: Connection because what if one of these things does have a solution to a problem? Because I feel like Norse did solve some things.

Jack: A lot of things.

Cristina: Yeah. So we actually might be a good idea.

Jack: Yeah. I mean, we use two different religion. Luciferianism and Norse mythology. Yeah, we just got a. We got a couple of. One new detail of hearing gods in your head and of the. Specifically the places of focus which Mount Kaaf was clearly one of them. A place where you have a stronger connection.

Cristina: Oh, were you gonna say something about the creatures, though? Were they important?

Jack: Which creatures?

Cristina: The giants and the dwarfs.

Jack: Well, know that there's definitely some. Some buffer between locations.

Cristina: But why is that important?

Jack: Because the mountains. That means that there's probably creatures in front of Mount Kaath that are helping protect it.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Presumably there are sea people around Mount Kaaf and that when the Greek mention the sea people and they mentioned the giants, they're talking about the same Two. The two things are the same thing. The giants that can take them down are the sea people. Unless the giants were made by the sea people.

Cristina: Oh, that's possible too. It could be either. Or.

Jack: The ability to make life.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Can you make any life?

Cristina: Probably, yes.

Jack: Can you make an infinitely strong army? Make the playing field so uneven with Adam and Eve?

Cristina: I think so. I think so.

Jack: Make an army. Send s*** to the Shadow Realm, Team a bunch of s*** over there that is too overpowered. Bring it over here. You got problems.

Cristina: You can make an army. Like Lilith used Adam to make an army of demons.

Jack: Holy s***. You're totally right. And if Adam is literally just creation technology, then she literally.

Cristina: She literally used the machine to create life.

Jack: What the f***? I forgot all about that. She literally used the technology to create an army of demons and as a result was cast from using the technology.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Whaaat?

Jack: Holy s***. So it is.

Cristina: It's tech.

Jack: It's really overpowered tech that can make anything. That's probably how they made the Pegasus.

Cristina: Yes, but they made human life using Adam and Eve. That's important. Just as for human life. But you don't need Eve to make life.

Jack: You only need Adam.

Cristina: You just need Adam and then pair it with something else, I guess. And you make something else.

Jack: So then Eve is something different.

Cristina: Yes. Eve is human life somehow.

Jack: Yes. You can make anything with Adam, but you can make. Not human. Maybe that's not. Maybe you can make humans with just Adam because you made Eve with just Adam. Allegedly. Although we can assume that that's probably wrong. But you can make anything with Adam. There's some special sauce that Eve adds that the pairing makes important. Yeah, that the pairing makes dangerous. Chances are they probably won't keep Adam and Eve together.

Cristina: No. Unless they need to make more humans. But I doubt they.

Jack: I don't think it's to make humans. I think you only need Adam to make humans. And I also don't think you made humans with it. I think humans were already there and then we started developing way later. I don't think that the sea people made us. I don't think they're our God. Unless we're. I mean, then again, Jehovah, the actual Jehovah, not Jehovah of dark, but Jehovah of light is a sea person.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: And if we're. I guess maybe we were made by this f****** technology. Adam.

Cristina: I definitely think so. I think our ancient ancestors come from this machine.

Jack: Fair enough. So we're androids that resemble. Which it would explain a lot Considering our mind works so identically to when we make a computer, make a hyper advanced technology, and our brains are almost indistinguishable. We even call it neural synapses, which is what we're working with. Neurons.

Cristina: I feel like there's still so much.

Jack: So then what the f*** is the point of Eve? What did Eve give us that the gods want? Because then it's not even about Adam. It's about Adam and Eve.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the fruits. Yes, it's about the three fruits in Adam and Eve. There's a lot of technology with the sea people that even the. What we consider gods, which are just other advanced creatures, we are like, what the f***? We need that s***. Yeah, fair enough. The gods, Norse gods, didn't make life. Greek gods didn't make life. They're gods. And then there's life.

Cristina: Mm. Well, I think in the Norse, they did make life out of clay. I don't know. It's some weird story, but the people were like puppets until he did something. I don't remember the complete story.

Jack: Yes, I do. I know what you're talking about. Yes.

Cristina: Which would mean, like, maybe Adam just makes the puppet a puppet.

Jack: Eve creates the mind.

Cristina: Yeah, because that's why when eat.

Jack: When Lilith did it, Adam, she could just make demons.

Cristina: Yeah, because they were.

Jack: They were soulless chimeras. Not even chimeras. Homunculus demons. Demons.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Artificial life. To make a perfect life form, you need the Eve component.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So they all have the atom technology. They all have the atom technology. They don't all have the EVE technology.

Cristina: Yes, I think so.

Jack: And because the sea people have the EVE technology, they can also use that to improve on the atom technology. So the sea people have the best version of the atom technology because the.

Cristina: EVE technology is kind of the atom technology, like 2.0 or whatever.

Jack: Yes, interesting. Yes. 2.0. You required one to build the other.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Closer to something.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: Closer to something. There's something making sense here.

Cristina: Yes, I think so.

Jack: Interesting. So the sea people might have made it. I mean, makes sense. If Jehovah is the one running this project. Madam. And Evar technology. There's not people who work there. Whatever we call the serpent is one of the guys who works there. And Lilith was one of the ones who worked there. You know, three people worked there for effect. Jehovah, the serpent, and Lilith. And Lilith went rogue and used it to create. She shouldn't have. And was removed from the project.

Cristina: Yeah. Just curious about this new toy that they had or whatever this is.

Jack: Or don't know how the this connects to Jesus because Jesus has a huge role to play here too. We've definitely solved adrenochrome. That's an easy shortcut over there. We've finally connected alicorn. That's whatever's fueling the creation of these technologies that are allowing a way over there without losing your f****** mind through adrenochrome. Yes, we know distilled adrenochrome ichor allows you to do some details of what alicorn, which is way more overpowered, does. We know Adam and Eve is technology to create life, specifically Adam, but Eve might be the next stage of that that allows for a particularly complicated life, which all the others can't seem to figure out, I think. So I don't know what Jesus fits here. I think everything else has been answered. I just don't know how Jesus.

Cristina: Besides that, we know that they are most likely afraid of him or they're hiding from him or whatever. They kicked him out.

Jack: Something is special about Jesus. Something is different about Jesus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we know Jesus is probably in cahoots with Jehovah of dark because he's like, you guys betray me for whatever reason. Yes, we've answered a lot. We're left with, what does he want? What? What's the point of Jesus? What's the point of Jesus? We know that the churches are accessing these shadow realm creatures for no reason. They probably think it's really God or whatever the. Who knows? Yeah, it's not really important as far as we know. Or they're being manipulated by Jesus, who they're probably hearing in their head, actually. Probably hear Jesus in their head.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Whatever the case might be, they're puppets. Him something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The question is, is Jesus? It doesn't seem like he is, but also he does go ahead and make Jesus gates so that creatures could cross over. He might be a puppet himself, or he might be part of the bigger picture.

Cristina: He might be.

Jack: He might be. We don't know, but that's what I got.

Cristina: That's amazing.

Jack: Thank you. Norse mythology. You connect a lot of thoughts. Thank you. Luciferianism, your dark, dark, crazy, psychotic s***. Dark, Dark definitely gave us enough information that we required. So, look, I need you guys and anybody help, please. If you got something, anything, contact us, reach us, let us know. You can hit us up on the socials at JustConvo, Pod, Anywhere, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok.

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Jack: Show and tell people we're getting to the bottom of something. Word of mouth is incredibly overpowered. And if you've ever had these weird a** questions and wanted to know the truest truths. Nobody's. Nobody's doing this. We're one and only here. This is like the deepest underground set of information you could ever find, right? You know how hard I f****** learned to find this s***? I can only explain to you how many dark web websites I have to travel to access documents that people have stolen from churches just to upload online because the church will obviously not let the surface web ever get this. And you can't really raise it off the. Off the dark web. You understand how hard it is to do this and like how many government watch lists I'm probably on for like traveling through these places? You just for this ridiculous. You guys should be thanking me.

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Jack: Bye.

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Rambling 127: Loki and Friends

What is Loki’s role in the apocalyptic Ragnarok? How do his children fit into the equation? What is the ultimate goal? Loki and his children unpacked on this episode.

Digging deeper into Loki and his history the duo uncover a winding roller-coaster of irrational activities and hijinks done by the trickster god Loki. The rabbit whole goes so deep that it reaches the other end at bestiality and cross-dressing. All that and more on this episode of Rambling.

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Topics Discussed

  • Shapeshifters
  • Giants
  • Ragnarok
  • Loki’s Children
  • The 9 Realms
  • Thor vs The World Serpent
  • Eating Contest for Gods
  • Loki’s Stand-Up Comedy
  • Bestiality
  • God Party
  • Greek Mythology
  • Norse Mythology
  • Loki’s Torture
  • Crossdressing Thor

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean? Welcome to Just Conversation, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

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Jack: Yes. And also, this show is way more enjoyable with the listening partner. So be sure to grab somebody by their arm while they're riding the train without them knowing you. And you just grab them, Grab their hand. You touch their hand while they're just distracted holding on in the train or whatever. You know, you just touch your hand.

Cristina: You'Re like, hey, that's so discerning.

Jack: You stare at them. You stare at them like, hey, when they pull their hand back, you're like, I just want to listen to a podcast with you. And they will want to listen to. They're gonna be like, oh, yeah, that's different.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, that's different. Yeah.

Jack: Well, that's different. We can listen to a podcast and then they'll grab your hand.

Cristina: Really? They're gonna grab. They're gonna be holding hands?

Jack: Yes. And they're gonna share the headphones with a complete stranger. Yeah.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That's horrible. That's so horrible.

Jack: I don't know why it's horrible if the person doesn't want it, but once you explain it to listen to a podcast, I'll be like, okay, that's different. Grab.

Cristina: We live in a zombie apocalypse. That person can be a zombie.

Jack: Yeah, sure. It's totally fine.

Cristina: That's fine. I don't know. He might be carrying the disease. That's virus. Yes.

Jack: Is it a virus? We could call it a virus.

Cristina: It's a super virus. Is he gonna turn people into zombies? Eventually, man.

Jack: A strain is gonna do it. It's just evolving so rapidly.

Cristina: Yeah. So eventually we'll have zombies here.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. So last time you were here talking about nature and how people used to explain it with different myths, and one of them was very interesting, which was Loki's son being able to imprint on the planet with one foot, even though he has eight, but for some reason, one foot touched the ground and left a mark, and we thought that was really hilarious. Well, that wasn't hilarious. How he was born was really hilarious. Remember that story?

Jack: Yes. But it was kind of funny that he would imprint on the ground and then. Or not imprint, but he would leave a print on the ground and then Gods that would, in theory, ride this f****** horse, fit inside the hole that it's.

Cristina: Well, Loki can turn into different things. Why can't the gods? I guess, you know, they turn. They all turn into raccoons or something. I don't know. But Loki does have amazing powers. And yeah, he turned into a horse, a female horse. To have sex with a horse, to have a baby. Which was a giant eight legged horse.

Jack: Right. So because him becoming a horse and then f****** a horse doesn't equal horse baby because he's a God.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Him f******. Or I guess getting f***** by her. Because keep in mind he's not doing the f******. He doesn't like to f*** horses. He likes to get f***** by horses.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Big difference.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Mad.

Cristina: He's half God if you look at his DNA.

Jack: Half God.

Cristina: Yes. Or maybe people are unsure what his mother was. His dad was for sure a giant.

Jack: Right. Which isn't a God.

Cristina: Which isn't a God. And then his mom may or may not be a God. I think she may be a God because of how strange his babies are. And like the three.

Jack: The eight legged freak and his powers.

Cristina: And his powers.

Jack: Like what explains the powers if it ain't a God?

Cristina: Well, there is one story where a giant shape shifts into a falcon, which. And I don't think I've read a story about a God. Shapeshift thing. Yeah. So that might be a giant power. A power for the giants is shapeshifting.

Jack: Right. But that's not his only power.

Cristina: No, well, that's his only like main power. I don't know what his other powers are. He's cunning. They always say he's a cunning trickster. Like I don't know if that's a power, but.

Jack: Okay, that's weird. So he doesn't have like he's. There's no sign of him having other God like powers. I feel like he does like super strength. But that could be a giant thing.

Cristina: That could be a giant thing too. Like, how do you. Which side do you put it towards?

Jack: So what you're telling me is he would in theory just get smacked down by one of the gods of Asgard?

Cristina: Definitely.

Jack: Like way too easily. But he's basically like Batman to the other f****** Justice League members. Like he's too witty to be beat by just their muscles.

Cristina: The only reason I think his mom is probably a God is because he has a special pact with Odin. And I don't think Odin would have made any type of pact with a giant because their hate for giants is ridiculous.

Jack: They're racist.

Cristina: They're very racist. The gods hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate giants. So I don't. I can't imagine that Odin would be like, okay, we'll make this deal together, or whatever happened.

Jack: But Odin likes Loki.

Cristina: I wouldn't say he likes him.

Jack: He likes him more than other giants.

Cristina: He lets him in Asgard because he must be half. That's why I think he's also half giant. I mean, half God. Because only gods hang out in Asgard and he. They have huge problem with giants.

Jack: Except Valkyries hang out in Asgard.

Cristina: Valkyries might be a type of God, so.

Jack: Because I remember specifically on that episode we were debating whether that was the case.

Cristina: Yeah, I don't remember because I know there's also. There's two types of gods, actually. I didn't know there's like two God race.

Jack: There's God and demigods.

Cristina: I don't know where the other gods live, but they live on. They have their own realm because, you know, there's nine realms.

Jack: Yeah, something like that.

Cristina: And, and I think they've been in war and stuff, but I don't really know the backstory to any of that.

Jack: Gods with gods.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, but kind of like gods with giants.

Cristina: Yeah, Gods and giants which then later.

Jack: Got turned into Greek mythologies.

Cristina: Titans versus the gods which came first, Greek or Norse?

Jack: Norse.

Cristina: Norse for sure.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. I don't know. That's true. But we don't even know all the stories of Norse because it was all written by Christians. So we have the. Whatever came out from that. We don't know what the original stories were, what they truly, truly, truly were believing in. These are just.

Jack: Who, the Norse.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, they stole from Hinduism.

Cristina: Oh, okay. But like the stories that they have now are the Christianized version. Sort of.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Because they went around writing everything for everyone else because they were the writers. They. Well, you know, they had written language, I guess the Christians and whatever.

Jack: Yeah, yeah.

Cristina: So Loki is probably half God anyway. Loki, I think is a God. Half God at least. Because his children are so strange. Like the eight legged horse. I think if he was just a giant, his children would be more normal. Well, maybe not the eight legged horse one. That's a bad example because he was with a horse. But with the other children he has, he had them with a giant or most of them. He did have some kids with a God. His wife is a God and they had, I think one or two sons. People aren't really sure and they seem normal, like normal people. So like, like gods like gods? Yeah, like gods. There was no weird descriptions about those children that he had with his wife.

Jack: The.

Cristina: But with the giant there was very weird children. Very weird. Which is. He has three children with his wife. Not with a wife, with the giant. He has three children with the giant, which are a wolf, a snake and a goddess. Her name is Hel, but she's not a normal goddess. If you look at her like, her description is, she's half alive and half dead. So there's something weird about her too, in appearance.

Jack: But she's not a giant.

Cristina: No, she's a goddess. But she happens to look very odd. And I think it's because. It's because of whatever. Loki is just being a God. Having sex with something that's not a God. Would it make something strange like that?

Jack: Yeah. I didn't think about this before, but I guess his banging of things equals the giant, because he's a giant. So if you banged the normal snake, his giantness made a giant snake as a result. It wasn't his godness, it was his giantness that made a giant snake.

Cristina: Yes, but he was having sex with the giant. So my other thing is that maybe he was also a giant snake while he was having sex with her.

Jack: The snake was giant.

Cristina: No, his child is giant.

Jack: Yes. But the snake he was having sex.

Cristina: With, he wasn't having sex with the snake. He was having sex with a giant.

Jack: And that led to a snake.

Cristina: Yes, which I'm saying.

Jack: He was a snake.

Cristina: He was a snake. Yes, that's what I'm thinking. Oh, s***. He's a shapeshifter.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: He has a wolf baby and a snake baby and they're both giants. But he could turn into animals.

Jack: But the time he be.

Cristina: He had a horse with a giant horse.

Jack: So he actually got f***** by a horse that time.

Cristina: Yes, that was giant. A giant horse. And he was a giant.

Jack: He's just into. He's like giant pansexual.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He loves whatever. Yeah. Or get f***** by.

Cristina: I mean, he still has babies with his goddess, but he doesn't love her or anything. Like, he's like. He gets bored of her and that's why he finds the giants who have.

Jack: And she's like half dead, isn't she?

Cristina: No, that's his child that's half dead. Oh. His wife is normal. She's completely normal. She's probably a very kind God. There's not much about her, but she's important in the. In Ragnarok.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Or not Ragnarok. In his binding before that happens.

Jack: Right. So Loki shape shifts and then flux. Giants.

Cristina: Yes. Well, one giant. Well, yes, two giants, so yeah, giants. Yes, he loves giants. Okay.

Jack: And he has three giants.

Cristina: Three giants.

Jack: Wolf, horse, snake.

Cristina: Yes. He had three giant babies, a giant wolf, a giant snake and a giant horse. Yes. And these three children though, that he has with the giant, are predicted to be part of the end of the world. Which is Ragnarok.

Jack: Which is prophesied.

Cristina: Yeah, which is prophesied. So then Odin takes them and separates them. I don't know why.

Jack: Because the prophecy is against Odin.

Cristina: Yes, I know that part. Why didn't he just murder them? His plan is very strange because for the wolf he can grow forever. So they keep trying to chain him up. They keep him in Asgard with the other gods to just keep chaining him up. And he keeps breaking out of it because he keeps growing. And eventually they do trick him into getting chained up by a magical chain made from a dwarf. He bites off a God's hand while they do that, though. That's pretty cool. I mean, maybe not cool like that God lives with one hand now. But I'm sure it could grow back.

Jack: Probably.

Cristina: I don't know. It's weird that he wouldn't grow it back, but I guess he doesn't feel like growing it back.

Jack: Maybe he can't. Maybe it's kind of like God standards of like, what is Superman in his home planet if not just another normal dude. Oh, so like to us they're gods.

Cristina: But like around each other they're like.

Jack: They're normal.

Cristina: Normal. That's why Oren only has one eye.

Jack: Like. Yeah. Compared to us they're gods.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But they still have like weaknesses and s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Around each other they're just people. It's comparatively. God.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah, so they're pretty normal. They get hurt and stuff because that guy gets his friggin hand ripped off. But then they do bond.

Jack: What's weird about Ragnarok is the fact that Odin is the reason it happens through his actions. Trying to stop it. That's sort of the loop there.

Cristina: He should have murdered these children.

Jack: No, it wouldn't work.

Cristina: It wouldn't work.

Jack: It wouldn't work. It would somehow feed into the plan.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I actually think the attempt at killing them is also part of the plan.

Cristina: He doesn't though. I think the only one, he's. I guess you could say he did. I'm not sure. Because when he throwed. Threw out the snake out of the world and it ends up on Earth, like, was he thinking that like throwing him out would kill the snake. Like, was that the only child he actually tried to kill? And it just survived its fall and then just kept growing?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Okay. But that's one of the things he did, was throw him there on the world. What's it's called?

Jack: Midgard.

Cristina: Midgard. Us. Our planet. I think that's a cooler name than Earth. Midgard. Yeah, I like that.

Jack: But an Asgard is cooler than heaven. Yeah, but it's just cuz we're used to hearing it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If we lived in Midgard, like Earth, that's cool.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But yeah. No, I believe that any step Odin takes, kind of fits into the plan one way or another.

Cristina: Yeah. He just doesn't understand how.

Jack: Doesn't understand how at all.

Cristina: That's why he's always fighting it. But it's gonna happen no matter what.

Jack: Oh, okay. Here's the problem. Here's the problem. We as people get told the story of Ragnarok and of Norse mythology. And how all that plays out after we have the full picture.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We have to think about it from before the entire story was written and happened. Which happens in the time that Odin sees into the future. That's why he doesn't have an eye. It was part of a trade or some s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And in seeing into the future, he saw the result. And he knew who would be involved, but he didn't know how. And ever since, every step he takes seems to feed into it. So he almost becomes like the perpetuator of his own demise, trying to stop it.

Cristina: Ragnarok hasn't happened yet. Just to let you know. It's not. It hasn't happened yet. We're still living pre Ragnarok. Because once it happens, everything is going to be destroyed. All the nine realms and all that stuff.

Jack: That's weird. I thought Ragnarok already happened.

Cristina: Nope. It's the future. It's. Yeah, it's the future. It's like in the end of Christian.

Jack: No, that makes sense. I thought the idea was that after Ragnarok happened, that's how we ended up with the world the way it is. Without gods interacting with us.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah, I thought that's. That's what happened. The result of Ragnarok was a bunch of gods were dead. And humans then got to flourish successfully without the oppression of the Asgardians.

Cristina: Oh, no, no. I don't know. No, because they're still collecting souls and stuff for their army.

Jack: We call that heaven now. No, no, that happened already.

Cristina: No, that's weird. That's happening right now. The Valkyries are coming here to collect souls for their army.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: It's still.

Jack: Okay, so.

Cristina: So Ragnarok hasn't happened yet.

Jack: So Ragnarok hasn't happened yet.

Cristina: Which is probably a Christian twist on the who. They love that type of apocalyptic ending. They did it for the Bible.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Has Jesus coming back and whatever.

Jack: So the question is, did Ragnarok originally happen already in Norse mythology? And then we inherited the earth, but Christianity got a hold of the texts, rewrote them, and when it re entered the remainder of Norse mythology as a reframing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It got pushed into the ending the way that the New Testament suggests the apocalypse would happen. Because they are the same thing. Ragnarok is Apocalypsis from the Bible.

Cristina: It's impossible to tell, I think because they didn't have their stories written down beforehand.

Jack: Created by the Christians to begin with.

Cristina: Yeah. So it's hard. So.

Jack: But Loki is the one perpetuating all of Ragnarok to some degree. He plays a million different roles that push this story forward.

Cristina: Ragnarok doesn't begin. I mean, Loki doesn't begin Ragnarok. The beginning of Ragnarok happens when the snake lets go of his tail.

Jack: Why would he do that?

Cristina: Why would he do that?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: I have no idea. He's ready to destroy the world because for some reason, once that happens, then all the other his siblings and Loki are free from where they're kept. They're somehow also able strong enough to get out of their traps or whatever. That's the beginning of Ragnarok when the snake lets go of his tail. And that's pretty cool. That's not pretty cool. That's whatever. Whatever. Yes.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: And the world serpent, he has a few stories in Norse mythology that they still have, which are always against Thor because they are mortal enemies, his son and himself. Thor is not his.

Jack: Oh, not Thor. Got you. Got you.

Cristina: Thor and the snake.

Jack: Because Thor and the snake.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. Because he's. They're destined to kill each other.

Jack: Which is part of Ragnarok.

Cristina: That's part of Ragnarok. Yes. Because the snake. Well, in Ragnarok, he's going to poison. Once he lets go of his toe. I guess he's like just hoarding a bunch of venom inside him. And then when he lets go, it all explodes out of him and poisons the sky and the ocean. Maybe that's why Ragnarok begins at that time.

Jack: Could be. Probably.

Cristina: And then the poison is what kills Thor. And after Thor kills him, he gets He. He still dies because of poison.

Jack: Thor.

Cristina: Thor. Yes.

Jack: Got you.

Cristina: Yeah, they. They know like who's gonna die. Like everything's already ran, so it's interesting. Like it's still gonna happen.

Jack: That's how prophecy works, I guess.

Cristina: Yes, yes. It's like time traveling in a weird way.

Jack: It was literally time traveling. He was looking forward in time to see exactly what was gonna happen.

Cristina: Yeah, you know, his. Everything that's happening, like, like whatever. Like if he wanted to know where you were, he could see you. That's kind of like God, I guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: He is the God. God.

Cristina: He is the God because Loki in one of the stories before he gets captured to be trapped forever. He turned into a fish trying to hide that way. But Odin saw him, so they caught him. There's a story where Thor and Loki are traveling through the giants world for some reason. I'm not sure where their aim is, but they end up meeting a giant who has a castle, I guess. And they're. They have a competition with the giant and the giant, I think. I don't know who starts the contest. I think Loki actually starts the contest after the giant makes fun of the gods saying like, oh, you guys aren't as great as you think you are. You're not as strong or you're not as whatever were much better. And so Loki starts off the competition saying he's the fastest eater and he competes with another giant on eating the most food and of course loses. It's such a weird competition. But yeah, they each like. And they have to be in the end of the table and reach the middle with all the food and the other like he was able to eat all of it, but there was still leftovers like bones and you know, things you wouldn't normally. But the giant ate everything off his side.

Jack: That's very weird.

Cristina: That's very weird. But the giant actually was cheating because these weren't really giants. I don't remember what this giant was, but there was a guy that was with him who decided to race a giant to see who's faster. And the giant kept winning. And it turned out he was Thoth itself.

Jack: Who, the giant?

Cristina: Yes, yes. He was running against Thaw, but he couldn't win because it's so.

Jack: It was the embodiment of thinking.

Cristina: Yes. I can't remember what Loki was against, but it was something ridiculous like that, of course. And then Thor had two. I remember only like two things he had to do. One was to drink from one of the giants cups or whatever and he Just. He couldn't drink it all. But the giant said that he was actually drinking their lake water. And he was worried that he was gonna drink it all because he was doing really well, even though he wasn't able to do it. And then the second thing that he had to do was to lift the cat. And the cat was actually the world snake disguised as a cat. So he couldn't do it, but he did a really good job. And the giant was still really impressed by him. But he, like Thor, I think, pretty much destroyed the place while he was doing all these things. So the giant was like, you better not return to here ever again. I'm impressed. But never come here again.

Jack: So the world snake could morph.

Cristina: I think the giants did that to the world snake. I don't think the world snake can magically turn into a cat.

Jack: Interesting. So they. The world snake agreed to this.

Cristina: I don't know. He was probably minding his own business, living his life, and then the giant plucked him out somehow.

Jack: Right. Because you can see the World snake from everywhere at all times.

Cristina: On Earth?

Jack: On Earth, yeah.

Cristina: Yes. But I'm guessing these stories are before he was that big because he kept growing and became that big. But these could be before he was that big.

Jack: Right. Which is an unexplained amount of time. It's long from one point to the other.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They are gods, and they live forever.

Cristina: Mm. There was another story with Thor and the World snake where Thor went fishing with an ox head and he caught the world snake and he hit him with his hammer, and they thought he killed the snake. But I'm assuming that was also another time where the snake wasn't big enough. Like, he wasn't his full size yet.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And he obviously didn't die because he's in the Ragnarok story. But he thought he killed him in that story.

Jack: Giants never stop growing, period. All of them.

Cristina: I don't know if all giants are like that, but I know Loki's children that are giants are like that.

Jack: Maybe it's a combination of a God. And Loki would be the combination of.

Cristina: A God and a giant.

Jack: And a giant, yes.

Cristina: That's why I think he has weird children. Besides the one that he has with his. With his wife, who is a God. They had a normal God children, as far as I can tell.

Jack: And that's weird.

Cristina: That's weird. Yes, that is weird. Loki also has a daughter named Hel, which is a pretty normal daughter. Besides that, she looks half dead and half alive, and she collects some of the Some of the dead people, the ones that are the wicked ones and the ones that die from sickness and old age, they're not good enough for the. For Odin, who collects half of them, and I don't. Okay, what do I know about her? Well, I don't know much about her, except that they. One of the gods do visit her later on in the story when Loki ends up killing a God. They come to her to revive that. That God, hoping that she would let him back to Asgard. And she says, like, it's fine as long as you can make all the. Everything cry. As long as everything will cry. For this God, which is Baldur, is the God that he killed with a mistletoe. I don't know if you heard of that story.

Jack: No. Baldur is one of Odin's sons, isn't he?

Cristina: I think so. But Loki kills him, sort of. He was jealous of. He was jealous of Boulder because all the gods would. I don't know. They had fun with him because he's. He's pretty much. He's pretty much immune to everything because his mother. After he had a bad dream about dying or like he was gonna have a really painful death, like he prophesies in his nightmares or whatever. His mom, Freya. Was it Freya or Frigg?

Jack: Freya.

Cristina: It's Frigg. There is a Freya, but in this story, it's Frigg.

Jack: Freya's Odin's wife.

Cristina: Freya is not Odin's wife. Frigg is Odin's wife.

Jack: Freya is Freya.

Cristina: It's another God. Freya is another God.

Jack: Freyja is a whole other God.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I thought Freya was Odin's wife.

Cristina: A lot of people confuse Freya and Frigg because Freya also has a God husband whose name is something similar to Odin, but it's not Odin. It's like Omud or something. I don't know. It starts with O, too, so they get confused, but they're not the same person. After Frigg finds out about Boulder's nightmares, she has all the living creatures promise to not hurt Boulder, except she forgot about the mistletoe. And Loki finds this out because it's. I don't know why she would be honest to anyone about this. It's like a really big deal. But he turns into an old lady and then asks her, hey, what's this guy's deal? He's immune to everything. And she's like, no, I forgot the mistletoe. It's so, like, so peaceful. It would never do anything it's innocent, Right? And, well, she was wrong. Well, I guess it was innocent. It's really. He got a blind God to throw the mistletoe at Boulder and then he died.

Jack: So it's like in making him immune to everything else, like a mistletoe becomes extra powerful.

Cristina: I guess. So he becomes allergic to the mistletoe. I guess that mistletoe really hated him, actually. Or maybe he turned the mistletoe. I'm thinking of the game is. What was it? It was arrow. Well, I don't know if the game is accurate, but it could have been on an arrow, the mistletoe. And then with the mistletoe in shot at him with the arrow that was poisoned with mistletoe. I guess it killed him. So he becomes allergic to mistletoe. It doesn't matter what the weapon is.

Jack: Because, like, yeah, it's literally kryptonite. It turned the mistletoe into kryptonite.

Cristina: Or maybe the mistletoe. Yeah, like I'm trying to understand. Like, it's very strange. The mistletoe didn't kill him. I would think the arrow killed him. But the mistletoe made. Weakened him. Yes. Weakened that spot. And then. So the arrow could actually hurt him.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And then he passed away. Yes. And yes. And then the gods were pretty upset by Loki, but for some reason they weren't. That's not when they trapped him. That's not when they punished him. Right after that, he was a little. He just. He just goes out of control after that moment, I guess. But. And oh, back to his daughter Hel. They do ask. She says, okay, so if everyone cries for him, then it'll be fine. So they do. The gods do go around and asking everything, even the rock, even water. Like, everything has to cry for him. And everything does. Except for one giant. One old giant lady. She says no. She's like, I don't love him. I'm not going to cry for him. So he stays dead. And people think that that's probably. That was probably Loki in disguise.

Jack: Interesting. Yeah. Because Loki has this habit of being an old lady.

Cristina: Being an old lady. Oh, yeah. He was an old lady. Yeah. But an old giant lady this time. He turns into weird things, though. He's the most. He has the most fun with shapeshifting. I don't know if the other gods can shapeshift. I feel like they don't because none of them do it. But Loki sure does.

Jack: Maybe it is the power of giants.

Cristina: It could be. Could it be? There's not much said about h*** I think. But I do remember that, well, she doesn't have a key role in Ragnarok. Sort of like, they don't know if she's going to battle with the gods or the giants in the final battle. But she does end up escaping, like her brothers and Loki, out of their traps. She also gets out of her trap, which is their h*** version of whatever she's living in. She.

Jack: And that's a Helheim, right?

Cristina: Helheim, yeah. And it's her. All the dead people, the monsters. There's also monsters trapped in there, too. And the giants all go on a boat made out of dead finger nails. Dead fingers and dead nails. And that's the boat that Loki rides into. What's the place called? Asgard. To fight them, actually. I don't know if they end up there, but whatever. He rides there and then they fight. But that's his battleship. It's made out of fingers and toenails, and it's carrying all the dead and monsters that were in h***. But I don't know if she's on that boat, actually. I just know she left, and all the things that were with her end up on that boat with him.

Jack: So chances are, she was there, too.

Cristina: Yeah, there's chances, yeah. But, like. But there's no. Like, there's no description of her. No stories of her fighting or, like, what happens to her afterwards. Because, you know from these other stories that we know how they die, which I forgot to mention. How the wolf dies. Well, not dies, but his point in Ragnarok. Because Ragnarok is so awesome. Yes. He's the one that kills Odin.

Jack: The wolf.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The wolf kills Odin.

Cristina: Yes. And then Odin's son cuts off the wolf's paws. So I'm guessing he still lives. He just has no paws now.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. So, as Odin and Loki are equal but opposite, their children are destined to fight each other.

Cristina: Yes. Well, Odin's fighting Loki's children, child. I don't know who Loki's fighting. He's fighting a God, but I don't know if he's related to Odin, but maybe.

Jack: So they don't fight each other, but their children fight each other, which is Thor and the world snake.

Cristina: Thor and the world serpent.

Jack: Thor and the world serpent fight each other.

Cristina: Yes. And Odin and the wolf.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Vanir, I think, is his name. Vanir?

Jack: That's cool.

Cristina: That's cool.

Jack: Yeah, Vanir.

Cristina: Vanir. Yeah. Vanir. And Hel. Come on. I mean, Hel, I guess, doesn't sound as cool. No, Helheim sounds Cool, though.

Jack: Helheim sounds out. Yeah, it sounds like somebody's name.

Cristina: Yeah. And Helheim is in Niflihem. Niflim. Niflam.

Jack: Niff.

Cristina: Do you know that place? I think that's where the frozen giants are at.

Jack: No idea.

Cristina: Well, the frozen giants, I think is also on board with the giants and all that stuff.

Jack: Yes, Frost giants.

Cristina: Frost giants, yes. Yes. The first story you talked about was pretty funny. And there are other stories that are as funny as that story. And I want to talk about those stories. Which is. The first one is. I'll call it the Tug of War. I don't know if it's actually called that. Maybe it's called that. I don't know. And it starts off as a normal story of Loki just getting in trouble. He somehow a giant catches him and he's like, imma kill you unless you bring me a goddess here to be with or whatever. And so Loki does that. He does that. And then the other gods find out and they're like, you better get her or we're going to kill you. So he turns into a. So he turns into a falcon and carries her back to Asgard. And while he's doing that, the giant turns into a eagle. And when he gets close to him to towards Asgard, they burn it up and he dies in the fire like a firewall or something. And then his daughter comes there to get some type of payment for losing her father. And one of the things that she demands is for the gods to make her laugh. So Loki decides that he's got this. Which I guess he does have this because he.

Jack: He's practiced stand up comedy his whole life. And now his moment to shine has arrived.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Loki's like, take a seat. The lights go down, spotlight on Loki. And he's like, all right. Knock, knock.

Cristina: I wish. No, actually this way. The way what really happened is. Well, you'll see. And you'll tell me if maybe he should have just told the joke. Actually he might for his own sake should have probably just tried to tell a joke. But he's into weird things. We gotta remember he's into weird things. Alright.

Jack: Yeah, he's an eccentric.

Cristina: Yes. Okay, so what he does is he gets a goat with a long beard and he ties his balls to that goat's beard. And then while that goat tries to run away one way, he pulls the other way. And as painful as that is, it makes the giant laugh.

Jack: Fair enough. Look, Jackass was successful.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And who.

Cristina: The original jackass.

Jack: Occam's razor Says everything is normal and that's the most likely outcome. Whatever's most likely likely is probably what's going on. And as above, so below.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we like stupid s***.

Cristina: Why wouldn't giants.

Jack: Why wouldn't giants love stupid s***? God love stupid s*** too.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Thor is well known to be a troll.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like he trolls really hard. Odin trolls all the time. They think of him as serious. But then you look at some stupid f****** Odin stories and he's a troll too. They're all just bored half the time. Doing things for fun.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so Loki, the most open minded, less rule follow Y1. Of course he's gonna do the craziest s***.

Cristina: So crazy.

Jack: You know he jackasses with it. Yes. But also it hurt Steve O. And he never stopped. I guess he stopped drugs and just turned his self abuse into more comedy.

Cristina: Yes. I wonder if any of them have tried this trick though.

Jack: Maybe.

Cristina: Maybe. Oh my gosh. Go look it up after the show. Yeah. So what do you think? That story funnier, less funny? I feel like it's probably lots of people's favorite, but I think the horse one is my favorite.

Jack: I think whether between doing stand up, a short stand up routine and this one act visually in person, this is more appealing. That wins over stand up. Now to tell the story repeatedly. Stand up would have been better. But he wasn't thinking like how is this story going to be told for the rest of eternity? He was thinking like, how do I get her to laugh? Yeah, he's absurd. So he did something absurd story wise. I also think that's kind of interesting.

Cristina: You think the nuts.

Jack: Yeah, it's also like. I mean the horse one is pretty crazy, but he also f***** a snake.

Cristina: He did not f*** snake. A giant skin a snake while f******.

Jack: That's weird. I guess it is the weirdest that he turned into a horse to get f***** by a horse. Not even to f*** a horse.

Cristina: Exactly. That's weirder.

Jack: But then the question is, is that weirder than turning into a snake so that a giant f**** you? He's a snake. He doesn't have a p****.

Cristina: But it somehow worked. Maybe he was a snake with a p****.

Jack: Do snakes have penises? Whatever. He's. He's either. He's probably just getting f***** by a giant.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess none of that's weird. He's into things and that's normal.

Jack: Apparently for them. I guess we don't have to understand the gods.

Cristina: No, he's just. He cheated on his wife. That's so wrong.

Jack: Did he does she think it's cheating?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Or she just like, whatever you f*** stuff?

Cristina: Yeah, maybe. Maybe because she does. She's there in the end, before Ragnarok. She's with him right now as he's trapped.

Jack: Is there. So we don't know when Ragnarok is.

Cristina: When the snake lets go of his h***. That's all we know.

Jack: Right? Do we know when that's gonna happen?

Cristina: No idea. No. Or. I don't know for sure. I do not know.

Jack: I mean, I don't either.

Cristina: Yes. So the boulder thing doesn't get him in trouble, but soon after, the gods are having a party. Well, maybe not a party. Maybe it's to mourn for Baldr. I'm not sure. And they don't invite him to it. But then he gets angry and he's like, odin, what about that oath we have or whatever, that we're like, maybe they're siblings or whatever, or have a blood tie. That's from that story that people got the idea that he. That he and Odin, that there's some kind of special connection between the two. And so they let him in. And then he just starts insulting everyone, every single God. And I think that's really what ruined everything. But the last person he insults is Thor's wife. And he kind of hints that they had an affair. So I thought that was interesting. But she was like. Instead of, like, being angry or anything, she changes the subject. So there might have been an affair.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. So there is now. Thor's wife is not supposed to bang everything.

Cristina: No. But Thor cheated on her, too. He wasn't very faithful, so.

Jack: Which means fair game.

Cristina: Yeah. So it might have been a revenge thing with Loki.

Jack: D***. But look, the f*** is like uncle or some s***. Whatever the f*** Loki is to him, his dad's archenemy.

Cristina: His dad's.

Jack: I mean, I guess they're not related.

Cristina: His dad, that he has a pact with. Not with Thor, so. But in that party, though, we find out that the thing he really fears Loki is Thor. Thor doesn't fear any of the gods. He fears Thor. Thor gets angry and kicks him out of the party. And he leaves. He's like, I'm. I'm only leaving because Thor.

Jack: Why does he fear Thor?

Cristina: He kills, like, nothing. He has a hammer that just, I don't know, RIP S***. Yeah. And he does. He does all the time.

Jack: Yeah. Thor is in the movies of, like, you know, Marvel Cinematic Universe or whatever. F***. Is conveyed as a good guy. But in his stories, he's really Neutral. Like really neutral. Like he could just do good or bad at any given moment for no reason.

Cristina: He's only, I think, like, seen as.

Jack: A God because, like, the son of Odin. That's it.

Cristina: Yes. But because the Norse see strength as the good, probably. Like, that's what good is.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Bad is being a coward. Good is being strong or whatever.

Jack: You know, the entirety of Norse mythology. Minus. I believe two gods are considered neutral or bad. That's it.

Cristina: That's it.

Jack: That's it. There's two gods. I don't remember. One of them is supposed to be what became a Jesus, and then the other one is what became Samson. And those are the only two beings that even in Greek mythology. Because also the Greek gods are considered neutral. Minus. Two beings that came from Norse mythology, and they are considered to be the only beings in all of the, you know, transcendent universe that are good. Everything else is neutral. All the gods are neutral.

Cristina: All right. But Loki's wife doesn't sound like a bad person.

Jack: Neutral.

Cristina: Oh, I guess she's neutral. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. They're either neutral or bad.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Like, Odin isn't bad, although he does crooked s*** all the time. But so does Thor.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're not actively doing malicious things, though.

Cristina: Like they didn't murder Loki's children, even though they were predicted to bring the end of days.

Jack: Loki is also, ironically, not considered bad.

Cristina: He's considered neutral. He helped them out quite a few times. Yeah. Sometimes he did start things.

Jack: He swings just like the rest of them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Between neutral and bad.

Cristina: Yeah. It's whatever he feels like it.

Jack: Exactly. All the gods. Most of the gods are like that.

Cristina: Yeah. Except when he killed that one God. That's pushing the line.

Jack: A couple of gods that are considered bad, though.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yes, there's a couple of gods. Not many.

Cristina: Most are neutral in Norse mythology. Yes.

Jack: And Greek mythology. Although in Christianity, they are all good all the time. Everything except for the devil. Lucifer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which. Yeah, it's really black and white. There's no neutral. It's either you're the good guys or you the bad guys.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: While all the other things kind of blurred the lines there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But there's a couple of gods, and I believe Boulder was one of them. I believe Boulder's immunity also made him hustle.

Cristina: I don't know. From what I remember checking out. No, from what I know, he was loving and. Or all the gods loved him and all the things loved him. That's why they all promised not to hurt him.

Jack: The gods don't care.

Cristina: But the things. Everything from all nine worlds.

Jack: Oh, really?

Cristina: Yes. They were the ones that cried for him as well when he died. It wasn't just the gods. It was everything. Everything. The rocks.

Jack: Interesting. So he's not the only God who is immortal then. Not in that fashion, where he's like, not human to his own gods. Because there was a God. I don't know where the f*** I heard the story, but there was a God who. His lack of being like the other gods is what made him hostile in the first place.

Cristina: That sounds like Loki, because he is kind of hostile, I guess.

Jack: And he isn't like the other gods.

Cristina: He isn't like the other s***, maybe it could have been exactly like Loki.

Jack: Could be. Could be.

Cristina: And that's why after that party, he runs away. Because he knows, like, he went too far. And they catch him. And now he's is tied up, I think, in somewhere on earth. He's tied up somewhere on Earth? Loki? Yeah. In a cave. In a dark cave somewhere. And his wife is with him. They have him tied up with her children. They took out their intestines and wrapped it around him. I don't know why her children had to die. Understand his being part of Ragnarok. But her children are innocent. They had nothing to do with Ragnarok. But I guess they're the only thing strong enough to hold Loki down because they tied it around him.

Jack: Loki's wife's children?

Cristina: Yes, their children. It's still Loki's children. But those children were not meant for the end of the world. But they. So they killed them and put the intestines around him. So he's tied up with that. And then there's a snake above his head that's dripping poison on him to keep him weak as punishment. It's just a torture. It's just torturing him for all the crap that he's done.

Jack: Like a Japanese water torture.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess.

Jack: Make a little drop of water, hit his forehead for days.

Cristina: Yeah. So his wife is there, though, to hold a bucket over his head to collect as much of that poison away from him. And then every time it fills up, she takes it away to let out the poison. And that's when he does get hit with poison. And then that story explains why there's.

Jack: Earthquakes when he's getting hit by the drops.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Freaks out and the earth shakes.

Cristina: Yep, got it. So that actually fits into the last episode. I didn't know about that story, but now I do. And it's really. There is one more story that I think is Funny. Ish. Or I. I'm assuming it was funny back then. It could be still funny now. I'll tell you anyway and see if you think it's funny. But I don't think it compares to the other two stories I just told you, which is that in this story, he and Thor have to cross dress because there's a giant who has Thor's hammer. Somehow, Thor lost his hammer and a giant got a hold of it and.

Jack: And to get it back, you cross dress.

Cristina: Yes, because the. The giant wants Fria and he'll give them the hammer. So they decide to dress Thor up as Fria. He's not happy about that, but he has to, because it somehow works in the plan that he has to do this.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: And then Loki, for some reason, part of this plan. I think this is his plan.

Jack: Loki's an idiot. He could have just become Freya.

Cristina: He could have, but I think what he wanted to do was dress up as a May lady, so that's what he did. He. He also cross dressed. He could totally use his transforming powers. But no, he was like, I want to dress up like a lady as a man. So they do that. And as Thor is getting married to the giant, the giant calls the hammer, because then the union is made and they're. They're married once the hammer joins, for some reason. I don't know how that's part of the ceremony, but that's part of this ceremony, and it lands on Thor's lap, and then Thor murders the giant, and then he murders all the other giants, and then they go back home. Hilarious story.

Jack: Super funny. Yep. Seems legit. It seems like something Thor would do. He just murders.

Cristina: He just murders. He really does.

Jack: Yeah, he doesn't really need to.

Cristina: But the cross dressing is supposed to be the funny part of the story, so.

Jack: What a solution.

Cristina: Yeah, it is kind of funny because Loki can totally just like, turn into Freya.

Jack: Yeah. It was just a real pointless mission they went on.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, he could have legitimately become Freya.

Cristina: Yes. And just had Thor with him. Because he still needs to grab the hammer.

Jack: Yes. It makes total sense that Freya would show up. In fact, it looks like Thor brought Freya.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In literal exchange for his hammer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But no, Loki was like, better idea.

Cristina: Better idea.

Jack: We both cross dress.

Cristina: So ridiculous. Like, before the actual wedding, there was, like, a bunch of things that Thor was doing that was obviously something wrong with Fria. Like the giant, like.

Jack: Like sketchy s***.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, he ate too much and he drank too much, and the giant Was like, this is very strange.

Jack: I would love the Norse mythology sitcom where hijinks happen all the time. And then this episode, one of the best episodes. Because he's at the party, he's drinking more than he should, and, you know, they notice. Oh, man, your wife's got, like, a real thick mustache today.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, all those corny, funny hijinks.

Cristina: Yes, it's exactly like that, though. It's like that wolf story of, like, the Little Red Riding Hood with the wolf. And he's like, why did you use your eyes that big? Or why are your hands that big? And.

Jack: Yeah, that should totally.

Cristina: Giant is doing that with Thor is like, hey, why is his eyes so dark and scary? And Loki's like, oh, it's because he. He's so in love with. She's so in love with you. Like, Loki was coming up with the excuses of why Thor was obviously not. Obviously not a lady.

Jack: I guess it's like, this giant has to be a little blind, too, to not be like, that's clearly Thor in a dress or some s***.

Cristina: I know.

Jack: But, like, great. He could, man. Loki genius.

Cristina: Yes, she is a genius.

Jack: Anyways, we are out of time here. That's definitely.

Cristina: So which is your favorite of the three stories?

Jack: I think the horse f******. It's crazy because you have to become a female horse to get laid by a horse and then be pregnant and then ride that pregnancy out.

Cristina: He could have definitely. Well, I guess that's the only option.

Jack: The funniest part is riding the pregnancy out. Yes, that's the funniest part. It's not the banging a horse. He banged a bunch of s***. No, whatever he likes to take, he likes to be the receiving end sometimes.

Cristina: And he actually held a horse in him for however long it takes. A horse. Magic horse.

Jack: Could have been millions of years by our standard. Yeah, we don't know how time works over there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He could have just been pregnant for infinities, living a life as a wife to a horse.

Cristina: To a horse. Yeah.

Jack: To giant horse for infinities.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: And then had Horace baby.

Cristina: There was some sort of mutant somehow just okay with all this. I don't know. I'm thinking that that whole bucket thing is a little revenge of her own, because she gets to watch him suffer still.

Jack: She gets to be there.

Cristina: Yeah. When she takes out the bucket, like, she could eventually now, like, come up with some other thing to cover his head so he doesn't get hit in the head. But she's like, nah, this is the best moment. She feels so good.

Jack: It's so unbelievable.

Cristina: She just waits for that bucket to get filled and she's like, oh, I can'.

Jack: So easy to just build a little scoop that grabs it and it drips across.

Cristina: Like, it's so easy somewhere else. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: Just divert the flow.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Super simple.

Cristina: But she's like, no, Yeah, I want to see this.

Jack: Well, I mean, they're kinky. They're probably into it. She's all excited about it. He's probably into it, too. You know, they don't give a. Oh, my God. Maybe their bonding time.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: Fascinating. Thor's weird. Loki's weird. Odin's weird. Norse mythology in general is weird. Religion is weird.

Cristina: Religion is weird.

Jack: Yeah, it is what it is.

Cristina: That was a great episode, though. Yeah.

Jack: Fascinating. I like. I love knowing about. I like Norse mythology and Greek mythology more than I like Christianity. I guess Christianity is just outplayed.

Cristina: It's just boring to you.

Jack: It is. It's so boring. While Greek and Norse mythology are, like, weird and eccentric, you know, they're really exciting. I think I've heard too much Christianity in my life.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But, like, also, I'm not that interested in Hinduism either. I think there's just something really interesting about Greek and Norse mythology and the.

Cristina: Way those cats behave and all that.

Jack: Yeah, it's really different. Yeah, it's very exotic and different from other religions. It's like a bunch of chaos happening. Just random s*** happening all the time. But, yeah, definitely find that interesting. But if you guys enjoyed this, this episode, this discussion, you can find other things of this nature. You can find the previous part of this when we're talking about when we stumbled upon Loki, talking about, you know, nature and whatnot. Yeah, you can find that last episode, but you can also find in a bunch of other episodes, random crap that we touch about gods and religions, myths.

Cristina: And myths and crap and all that stuff.

Jack: Yeah, all of the above. You can find all that stuff on the official website. Great thoughts.info or on Apple podcasts, Spotify, or anywhere you get podcasts.

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Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe and Reiter and reveal the show if you feel so inclined.

Cristina: And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes, word of mouth matters. As I always tell you at the beginning and at the end of the show, if you find somebody and you kindly ask them to listen to a podcast, you give them all the space they need. You. You, you know, you don't Want to invade personal space.

Cristina: That's disrespectful. Six feet of space in the zone. Yeah.

Jack: You need a social distance. And when you. Social distance and you tell somebody, hey, I know it's lonely these days, alone all the time. Can't interact too much. Well, I can. I can show you podcasts that you feel like you're in the room with these people hanging out safely and tell them about this podcast and they'll love it. And they'll be like, thank you for respecting my personal space and I appreciate you introducing me to this show.

Cristina: Of course.

Jack: Well, where I'll learn about Norse mythology.

Cristina: Yes, you will, I think at least learn about Loki. Learn about Loki and his children. And his children. Yeah. He learned about a few things, definitely. And this show has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. But now when you think about the message prior to this.

Cristina: What?

Jack: It kind of makes sense in a political kind of way.

Cristina: In a political type. What?

Jack: Yes. Because he's saying that they're kind of living in a veil of ignorance to some degree. We have hang ups. We're tightly wound and whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we don't want to let ourselves know more than we do. Where the f*** does he say that?

Cristina: He does not say that.

Jack: Left ear, hard to see the hang ups we have today. The hang ups are somewhere in there. But they don't really realize, though.

Cristina: Oh, no. They don't realize though that he's great. No. The next thing.

Jack: Lift your. Lift your left your lift yourself. Lift your. Lift your. Lift your lift your. Hard to see the hang ups we have today. But they don't realize this next verse. This next verse though, these bars. So the next verse has nothing to do. But they don't realize. They don't really realize. They don't really realize is them sort of. They don't understand. And then he says before that. That. Lift yourself upon your feet. Let's get it on. So, okay, we're beaten down.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we can get up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We don't need anybody to extend the hand to get us up.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He's. He argues against that, against the whole welfare system, against the whole. This is just very Kanye of him.

Cristina: Okay. Do it yourself.

Jack: He's saying you could pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

Cristina: Okay. Yes.

Jack: And then he says the state of mind you're in. I'll sing you some bars about that. And then he jumps into poopa. He's just saying you're full of s***. Everything you've got is excuses.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Your whole state of mind. Let me summarize it in these woke a** bars.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Poop.

Cristina: Yes, poop.

Jack: Yeah. He's saying you're full of s***. All of you are full of s***. That's a woke a** song. You just did it like a troll.

Cristina: Be any of the s***, no less. It's to your face.

Jack: It's actually poopa de whoop, not poop that you scoop.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: So, yeah, pretty woke s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I give him points as fire.

Cristina: About poop. About poop. Yeah. Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 126: Mythologies About Nature

Where do mythologies come from? And do any of them accurately explain Earthly phenomena? Does any mythology unpack nature the way we unpack mythology? Answers to that and more on this episode!

The duo take to exploring the stories told by ancient civilizations in order to explain the reason for the existence of natural wonders. When the Gods get involved, events get weird and the origin of Jesus and Loki’s sexual ventures are revealed!

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Topics Discussed

  • Crater Lake
  • Devil’s Tower
  • Fairy Cycles
  • Aurora Borealis
  • Chinese Jesus
  • Solar Winds
  • Spirits
  • Greta Thunberg
  • The Original Volcano
  • The Legend of Zelda
  • Dragon Blood Tree
  • The Shelter of the Gods
  • Loki Horse Son

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean? Welcome to Just Conversation, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas and childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

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Jack: Yes. And this show is most enjoyable with the listening partners, so be sure to go find someone that can listen with you, whether it be by force, whether it be by, you know, coercion. You bribe somebody. You bring bags of money.

Cristina: Money.

Jack: Bags of money. And be like, hey, you can listen to. You don't have to give them the money. It's got to trick them into taking the money.

Cristina: Trick them into taking the money and.

Jack: Trick them into thinking they're gonna take the money.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yes, yes, yes.

Jack: And then they. They potentially listen to the podcast. Or you show them your gun. What, by any means necessary.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Obviously, you can't kill them because you need them to listen to the podcast. That's the point.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, I'm not saying don't throw somebody in the hole you've got in your basement and then just turn on the podcast. Like, I didn't say don't do that.

Cristina: You probably shouldn't do that.

Jack: You probably shouldn't do that. We don't condone kidnapping. But what you do in your private time has nothing to do with me.

Cristina: Yes. As long as we have listeners.

Jack: As long as we have listeners, like, look, you're the type of fan you are is more about you, less about us.

Cristina: We're just encouraging you to share.

Jack: Share the show. Share the show. How you do that. That's not.

Cristina: We don't need to know.

Jack: Yeah, don't blame us for it.

Cristina: Yes, don't blame us for that. I love the Irish mythology so much that I decided to talk a tiny bit. I want to talk a tiny bit about it. If you remember that we talked about how fairies were gods once upon a time, and they shrunk into fairies. So then in those stories, the Irish stories, the people of the story became giants. And one of those stories is about Finn McCool. He's a giant from Ireland. There's a giant from Scotland across from him that wanted to fight him. So he made a bridge to. Over there, and that's a. There's a picture of what that was. I mean, it became. Because he destroys the bridge or they destroy the bridge. If they fought, they destroyed the bridge. In one story, they fought, and he won. But in the second story, he dressed up. He saw the other giant, whose name is Ben, and he got scared, so his wife helped him and dressed him up as a baby. And then Ben saw Finn and was like, if that's the baby of the giant, then the giant must look so much bigger than me. And so he got scared, and when he ran away, he destroyed the bridge.

Jack: So the baby couldn't follow him.

Cristina: What? Finn didn't want to fight him. Why would he want to follow him? Finn dressed up as a baby because he didn't want to fight the giant.

Jack: The giant broke the bridge?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In using it.

Cristina: In using it. I don't know how he destroyed the bridge. He just destroyed it with his hands. I don't know.

Jack: The giant crossed the bridge and then broke it.

Cristina: Broke the. He broke it when he went back home. He crossed it to see Finn or to look for Finn, and then he crossed it again, and then he destroyed it when he crossed the river.

Jack: Finn couldn't follow.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: And Finn didn't want to fight him anyway because he was bigger. That other guy was bigger than him. Yeah, but. Yes. And I don't know. I don't think that story is true. I think the other giant, he told me, like, he doesn't believe it either. Like, what makes no sense about the story is why would he destroy the bridge the other giant made? If he's a scare. He's afraid of this giant. You know, Finn made the bridge, right? Then Ben saw this baby and then runs away, destroying the bridge. But Finn could make the bridge again. So that's. That's the giant's argument.

Jack: He's like, he was just scared at the moment.

Cristina: No. He's telling me. No. Ben is like, that's not true. Ben is a coward. He destroyed. He made it. He saw me, and then he destroyed it. But I don't know who to believe. I. I kind of do believe Ben, though. But, I don't know. Nice to imagine Finn dressed up as a baby.

Jack: That's a weird solution to a problem. Like, it makes sense, I guess. If they look at him and they're like, wow, that's a big baby. I can only imagine what the adults look like. Yeah, but, like, how genius of a plan to assume that they wouldn't just believe, wow, he's dressed like a baby.

Cristina: Yes. Like, what if. Like, what if he didn't know what he looked like? Like, that plan only works because he didn't. But if he asked around and was like, hey, how does this giant I'm gonna fight look like? And then they described that guy, or they pointed to that guy. Like, how embarrassing is it for that.

Jack: For Finn, who's just dressed like a baby.

Cristina: Just dressed like a baby? Yeah, yeah.

Jack: It's that guy over there dressed like a giant baby.

Cristina: Is he more scarier to fight than like, he's dressed like a baby?

Jack: I mean, there's an argument to be made that he's way crazier.

Cristina: Yeah, that might be a problem. I don't know. But the story was made because that column that we saw in Ireland, it has the same weird thing that's going on is happening in Scotland right across. So that's why they thought, oh, maybe there was a bridge there or something that connected from both sides to both sides.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So that's pretty cool. And have other amazing stories like that. There's a place called Crater Lake in Oregon and there's a myth of how it was created. There's like a little island in it. Now they believe that a thousand years ago there was a mountain there. And the God of the underworld was standing on top of the mountain and he saw a beautiful woman. And he was like, I want to take her home with me. And she refused him. So he exploded the mountain out of anger and it shot out and hurt all the people around it. So then the God of the upper world came to save the day and fought him and drove him back down into the mountain. And then he covered the mountain with water. And that's the crater. That's water with a little. The tip of the mountain is reaching out.

Jack: Got you. That's really weird.

Cristina: Yes. Alright. There's a place in Bolivia called Salar de Oiuna. It's the world's largest salt flat, where there's a photo of it, super cool looking. And there's. I think there's a bunch of mountains surrounding it. One of them is called Tanupa. And one of the stories, actually there's a few stories about why that is there. And it revolves around this mountain called Tanupa, this volcano named Tanupa. The first story goes that once upon a time the volcanoes were walking around and they were able to talk to each other and stuff. And there was just one female volcano, while the others were male. And one day she got pregnant and none of the volcanoes knew who the father was because she was with all of them. And they got super angry. They fought each other and someone kidnapped her child. Then the gods punished them by not letting them move or talk anymore. So that they're now in place as volcanoes. And she cries all the time. She cried after she realized, I guess, her child was missing. And that created the salt flat that we see in the picture. It's a combination of her tears and breath.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Yeah. And in the second story, it's almost the same. It's her tears and breast milk. It's always her tears and breast milk. But it's. She's having problems with another volcano because he's cheating on her with another volcano and she was crying about it. Then there's the Devil's Tower in Wyoming and it looks pretty cool. I wish there was some devil story.

Jack: That does look badass as f***. What the h*** is that?

Cristina: There's a bunch of Native American stories about it. And it's all revolving around bears.

Jack: Right. But what the h*** is it?

Cristina: It's a mountain.

Jack: That's a f****** mountain?

Cristina: Yeah. It's a cool a** mountain.

Jack: Devil's Tower is just a mountain.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What the h*** happened to the mountain?

Cristina: Bears clawed it. All the stores revolved around bears because of the those lines. They think it's like claw marks.

Jack: Right. I wonder what like in reality happened.

Cristina: Oh, in reality.

Jack: Oh, it is. That's crazy looking.

Cristina: It's really crazy looking. I get the devil's name too. If he's maybe there. Think like the American version is like the devil did it or something.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Lame or whatever. But in the other stories, it's like kids run up the mountain and then they pray to the their God to save them. And then the mountain rises up and then the claws are from the bears that were chasing them.

Jack: So it wasn't a mountain at.

Cristina: Sorry, no, no.

Jack: They were just standing somewhere and shut up.

Cristina: And then the rocks shut up.

Jack: That's crazy.

Cristina: That's a crazy.

Jack: It looks so unique. I like what it. What the f****** nature could do that though.

Cristina: You don't think it's a volcano related? I feel like a lot of these are volcano related.

Jack: Like it's the tip of a volcano, I guess.

Cristina: I don't know. But the lines going, I mean, who knows? Volcanoes are weird. The things they make are weird. So I don't know. Because the castaway that we saw was because of volcanoes. I think like that had to do with magma, the magic of magma. Then there's these things in southwest Africa in a place called Namibia called fairy circles. Fairy circles. Look at them.

Jack: Fairy circles. They look like drops of water. Not drops, but like if there was like moss on the water and you dropped a drop of water into a lake or something. Okay, so there's like moss on a lake and then you drop like a raindrop into the lake and then the opening that forms in the moss where the raindrop hits the water. That's what this looks like.

Cristina: Yeah. You want to know something super interesting?

Jack: What?

Cristina: They don't really know why.

Jack: Why it happens.

Cristina: Why it happens? Yeah, like there's a bunch of reasonable things of why. Like termites is a big theory. Some combination of termites and the plants. It's type of plants.

Jack: But no, this is on the ground, not water, right?

Cristina: Yeah, it's on the ground. So it's. It's a tough to. It's a toughie to explain. Yeah, the grasslands, that's what it's called. They're barren spots called fairy circles because they're very circular. They're really. They really are pretty nice. But there's also local myths about what caused those fairies circles that are not fairy related actually. So if that's what you were thinking, one of them is their footsteps of giants or spirits. And the other one that tour guides like to use is that they're formed by dragons. That a dragon that's inside the earth, that its breath is like poisonous and it's destroying the vegetation in that type of way.

Jack: Why circularly?

Cristina: Why circularly? I don't know. Those tourist guys don't know what they're talking about.

Jack: Yeah, like that's an unthought out story.

Cristina: Because I guess dragons are cool. So they wanted, you know, dragons. What's cooler than fairies?

Jack: I would argue that the other side of the planet is something like subspace in which it works in opposite. And while on this end it looks like ground, on that end it looks like water. And then when water drops do hit that lake, it creates this void that we see here, these clearings. Which is to say that when we're out here in lakes covered in moss and junk and water from our side lands on their side, it's land and it creates these sort of gaps of vegetation.

Cristina: Is that sci fi? I don't know. What kind of explanation is that?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: It's very strange.

Jack: Yeah, it's great.

Cristina: It's great. It's a great explanation. Your explanation is better than these other.

Jack: Because they just don't like take into account what's happening. It's just like here's a thing.

Cristina: Yes, here's a thing. The termites, maybe termites probably. Then the ouroborealis, which is a beautiful thing. You've probably seen this many times. Yes. Like it's still. It's very. It's beautiful. I can't imagine someone that sees this every day. And I mean, I guess if you.

Jack: Saw it every day, anything you see every day, you get over.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We are surrounded by ginormous buildings that we see every day. And it's like, sweet. Another big building. Yeah, but we're like, man, awesome. To see, like a huge mountain. Meanwhile, people living across from a mountain are like, whatever, dude. I wonder what the city looks like, though.

Cristina: I know.

Jack: We're ungrateful. We all suck. Anybody who's over there seeing this s*** every day is like, oh, this garbage is happening again. Blocking the stars. I wanted the stargaze today. And this stupid Aurora wants to be in the f****** way.

Cristina: Yes, well, Aurora has so many. So many explanations, I guess from all over the world. Because a lot of places. See, it's not just a one location specific thing, I think. Right. So in Norse mythology, the lights are from the shields of the Valkyrie. If you remember the Valkyries, they're getting the soldiers to Valhalla.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So that's them. That's pretty cool.

Jack: That's their spirit.

Cristina: That's their shield shining. But it could be their spirit. It could be the spirits that they're grabbing. Who knows? Because a lot of them involve spirits.

Jack: Right. But like, this is just a floating Valkyrie that is not in spirit form and happens to be in the sky. If it's not a spirit of a Valkyrie.

Cristina: Well, it's not. Well, to them it's caused by the light reflecting off the shield and armor. So I don't know.

Jack: Right. Which means there's a floating Valkyrie. Or hundreds of thousands. Thousands of floating Valkyries.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they're not even dead.

Cristina: No, they're just.

Jack: They could fly. Yeah, it's a thing they could do.

Cristina: Why not? They're. Why. But you think it would be their spirits.

Jack: No, I'm saying that if they don't think it's their spirits, they're idiots. Because how are they trying to comp. How are they explaining this? It's just like. Yeah, we see Valkyries in battle all the time. Sometimes they die. It's like, why don't they just fly over their opponents?

Cristina: They don't see Valkyries.

Jack: Valkyries are soldiers.

Cristina: No, Valkyries are taking the souls of the soldiers that are dying.

Jack: Valkyrie is a female soldier in.

Cristina: Yeah, Valhalla. But we don't see them. I don't think we see them.

Jack: So they do float?

Cristina: Maybe. I don't know. Like, do they. Would they say they see Odin?

Jack: I Don't know.

Cristina: I don't know how, you know, that stuff works compared to their reality.

Jack: I wonder how the h*** Valkyrie is taking the soul then. Because they're not even. Based on the logic, they're not even here.

Cristina: But if they are here, they'd be floating.

Jack: Yeah, they had to travel here and then they're just, you know. They float.

Cristina: Yes, I guess they float.

Jack: So Norse mythology, Valkyries are like a.

Cristina: God Lesser because they're working for a God.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Even gods work for Odin.

Cristina: Oh, okay. I'm not sure. I don't know where the Valkyries fit in. The gods in Norse mythology. They're in the low tier, though. They're probably C tier.

Jack: Yeah. They're like soldiers for gods.

Cristina: Yeah. And then China has the oldest records of the aurora borealis. One of their stories is on autumn of 2000 BC, there was a young woman who was sitting alone in the wilderness, and then she saw the lights and it was so beautiful that she got pregnant and she gave birth to us. To a boy Jesus.

Jack: Okay, so let's. Let's go back a couple of notches. Lady's sitting outside, the sky turns. Beautiful. It's so beautiful.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: She got pregnant.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And Japanese Jesus is born.

Cristina: China.

Jack: Chinese Jesus is born.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that's. That's the order we're going with here. She sits outside. It's so beautiful. Whoops. I guess it got me pregnant.

Cristina: Well, this Chinese Jesus does more than Jesus, though.

Jack: I like random street performers, do more than Jesus did.

Cristina: Yes. Well, this guy, he grows up to be the emperor, and he's known for starting the Chinese culture and the ancestor of all of China, all Chinese people come from him. He's the beginning of China.

Jack: So he's like, wait, what the f***? How the f*** was this lady there then?

Cristina: She was before the Chinese culture. Okay, she was there, but she was like the native before Chinese.

Jack: Random lady walks into totally abandoned, empty lands. There's nobody been here before, ever.

Cristina: She was the first born.

Jack: She traveled who knows how far to reach an area where she can look up and see something that the nearest person can't see because they're that far. It's in the sky and the nearest person can't see it. They must be hundreds of feet, thousands of miles. She just. Crazy walking journey. She was like bear Grylls in this s*** on her.

Cristina: Maybe God told her to do this journey.

Jack: Then she got to this abandoned land, and then one day she's just looking up and she's like, hey, that's a cool little. Oh, my God. It keeps getting brighter. Wow. It's so big. It's so big. It's inside me.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I'm pregnant now.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That thing, that must have been God. Now I start China.

Cristina: Yes. Well, she doesn't. Her son does. Her Jesus.

Jack: But she started China.

Cristina: She started.

Jack: Technically, she started China. She had the first life on that soil.

Cristina: No, because Mary isn't the starter of Christianity. It's Jesus.

Jack: Well, to be fair, Mary is the starter of Jesus.

Cristina: Exactly. But it's two separate things.

Jack: No, 100% not. Because Mary's creation of with Jesus came Christianity. Jesus didn't start Christianity. Jesus was just a preacher.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Mary gave birth to the word of God.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: As did Asian Mary, who started Chinese Jesus. And thus the Chinese culture.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So she began the Chinese culture.

Cristina: Okay, so you're saying Mary started it all too.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Mary is the reason that Jesus and Christianity touches children.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because of Mary, priests touch children. That's the connection I'm making here.

Cristina: What we didn't have.

Jack: If we didn't have Mary, this wouldn't be a problem.

Cristina: Do you think Mary was touched by the aurora borealis?

Jack: I don't know. Maybe. It's just that this Asian Mary is calling God the aurora. What does God look like? He's anomalous.

Cristina: He's a bright light. But she would have been blinded by his light.

Jack: She was apparently very blinded.

Jack: It was so beautiful. She thought it was inside her. She wasn't really capable of telling distance anymore. She was pretty blind. The story tells us a lot.

Cristina: Well, we got a lot from Australian natives. They have the light that shows up in Australia. They commonly see it as fire. Because it's red. Because it's red like fire. Look at that. Look at it. It's red. It's burning and. Yeah, so it's thought of as fire. And the people from the Western Victoria call them ashes, while people in the eastern Victoria see them as bushfires of the spirit world. It's a lot of spirit world stuff. South Australia sees them as evil spirits creating a large fire. And South Australians that see over the Kangaroo island see as a campfire of the spirits in the land of the dead.

Jack: A campfire in the land of the dead?

Cristina: Yes, because they need to get warm, too. In Southwest Queensland, the ouroborealis was fires of the spirits who spoke to people. And only male spirits as males. Only male elders were allowed to look at and speak to these spirits.

Jack: And what were these spirits?

Cristina: Their ancestors. Their ancestors were the spirits.

Jack: So they can Speak across time?

Cristina: Basically, yeah. Yeah.

Jack: There's a bridge to the past.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, these are the spirits of the ancestors. Or is it like they think this is, like, by spirit, they mean they can communicate through time to their ancestors in the past?

Cristina: I think it's true. Spirits. I don't think they're thinking of time travel.

Jack: Okay, so it's not like in the past, their ancestors are looking at the same thing speaking to the future.

Cristina: I don't think so. That'd be cool. But then that kind of interesting plot device, that would have been an example of time travel in some religious way or, you know, some myth or something. That'd be amazing.

Jack: That'd be interesting. There's a bunch of that, though. Anybody who could tell the future, anybody making predictions, it never just happened in a vision. So, like, I guess some of them did. But there wasn't. Like, there were other situations in which there was, like, a thing they were talking to or somewhere. They were seeing it. And this is some sort of bridge through time.

Cristina: Yeah, I mean, if you think about.

Jack: It logically, I guess.

Cristina: But they weren't saying it like that.

Jack: No, they were saying, like, you know, I'm talking to a flaming bush that's telling me the secrets or whatever. But it's like, maybe this is a catalyst and it's connected to something.

Cristina: Yes. And if you believe in aliens, it's aliens. Pretty much, it's aliens communicating. So ridiculous. And the first Old Norse account, one of the first written, one of the first things written about it, or one of the oldest things written about it. In 81,230, the author heard about the phenomenon from people returning to Greenland. He gave three explanations to what was making the lights. They were. The ocean was surrounded by vast fire. The fires. That's one. One is the ocean is surrounded by a vast fire. Two is the sun flares could reach around the world to the night side. And three is glaciers could store energy so that they'll eventually become fluorescent.

Jack: That would be an awesome world to live in.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If glaciers just glow.

Cristina: They just glow.

Jack: They just glow.

Cristina: An ocean being surrounded by fire. That's crazy.

Jack: That's flat Earth.

Cristina: That's like, whoa, it's ice to them. What if we found out it was fire? What?

Jack: I guess, like, far enough. It would have to be. Right. If it's infinitely flat, that'll just. S*** happens.

Cristina: Eventually you will find fire.

Jack: Yeah, eventually. It's encircled by fire.

Cristina: Yeah. What about his second theory? The sun flares are reaching around the world at night.

Jack: Literally happens. But when There's a solar flare, and our magnetism causes that.

Cristina: What do they look like?

Jack: Usually the. They light up the aurora borealis. That's kind of what's happening. That's pretty accurate.

Cristina: Oh, look at him. That.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What? Well, I like his other explanations better.

Jack: Yeah. Solar flares hitting the magnetic field of the Earth causes that. Not a solar flare, but a solar wind, which is essentially a solar flare. Basically, it's just a radiation flying towards us. And our magnetic field protects us from getting baked by all the radiation coming down. And it curbs around the magnetic field, causing the answer.

Cristina: He wasn't there, but he's like.

Jack: He's like, close. He was close. That was, like, pretty on the spot for somebody who had no. The. No clue what he was talking about.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, he's like that guy from. From the Good Place that he just kind of, like, guessed what heaven was like.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: And, like, got it real f****** accurate. And then he became a hero to everybody.

Cristina: Yeah. Except it turned out that he was totally wrong.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Gotta forget about. That's so sad. And that show. So good. Why is it over? Although I love the solution. I do like the ending of that.

Jack: Yeah. They really explored it beyond the most philosophical points.

Cristina: That's pretty good then. The Native American myth is that the lights are spirits of their friends dancing.

Jack: In the sky because they're being trolled by their friends.

Cristina: I guess when they're very happy, the lights look brighter. So you know how your friends are doing. If it's dim, then they must be not so happy.

Jack: H*** must be happening. It's wartime.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's interesting. Did they believe that? Man, there's my problem with spirits. All right. If spirits are watching you at all times, Right. Like, at some point you got to f*** your wife, your grandma. Spirit is just watching you now. It's uncomfortable.

Cristina: I don't care about that. I do care about, like, if I'm pooping. That's kind of disturbing.

Jack: Do you care about being watched, pooping more than being watched f******, yeah.

Cristina: Yes, I do.

Jack: That's weird.

Cristina: Why is that weird? Because, like, they've done it. They know what it is.

Jack: They've also pooped, and they know what it is.

Cristina: I don't know. Mines could be special, Right? I don't know. There's a lot of situations where I wouldn't want someone to be watching me, I guess.

Jack: But sex is not one of them.

Cristina: Sex is one of them, but I feel like pooping is higher on my list. Sex is a close second. I'm guessing maybe just Your grandma watching you bang.

Jack: You don't give a f***.

Cristina: I'm sure she is. It's like, would she rather watch me bang or she could.

Jack: She probably cleaned your a** after you took a poop at some point, so.

Cristina: She should be more okay with watching me.

Jack: Yeah, she's way more familiar with that than watching you get b****.

Cristina: Would you rather watch someone have sex or take a poop?

Jack: Interesting. I like how you flipped it. I see what you're saying now, but I guess what you're thinking about is the wrong way, though. I like how you flipped it. Because if you're the ghost, what's your preference? Yes, but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about you as the person. Why would you care what the ghost's preference is? If they're watching both, they're watching both. Yeah. Why do you care which one?

Cristina: I don't know if they. They might be watching one over the other. But then, you know what?

Jack: Okay, now let's think about how much worse this is.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Your grandma is like, h***, yeah, I'm gonna watch her have sex instead.

Cristina: I don't think she would be watching me have sex. I feel like she'd be watching.

Jack: She's watching everybody all the time, but she gets to choose one of two moments. She only gets to choose one of two moments. She has to throw one moment away, and she's like, I can either watch her poop and respect her sex privacy or f*** watching her poop and I can watch her get f*****.

Cristina: That's your girl watching me, though. She'd be watching a stranger.

Jack: No, she'd be watching everybody have sex.

Cristina: No. What? Ghosts can't do that.

Jack: Ghosts are like God. And in this case, your grandma hovers over your life.

Cristina: She hovers over a stranger.

Jack: She has no option. She only wants his family. She only watches family. No, that's why you see your family dancing in the aurora. Because they're watching over you. Or your friends. People you know are watching over you.

Cristina: No, they're not.

Jack: That is exactly how the stories go.

Cristina: That's horrible.

Jack: How is that any better than. I mean, how's that any worse than strangers?

Cristina: I don't.

Jack: Complete, total strangers who were probably gonna grab your hand in a train one day without your permission. Now they can just. Like, I get to watch your f***. Anyways, whatever. I won the lottery.

Cristina: I don't know. I just think about myself, though. I would rather not watch someone poop.

Jack: But you rather watch somebody have sex in that exchange.

Cristina: If there's still only two.

Jack: There's only two.

Cristina: And it's like, okay, one is gonna be like watching p***, which is whatever. And then one is watching poop. And that is disgusting.

Jack: Yeah, but you're thinking about you being the ghost.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Why do you care what the ghost is doing if you're. Who's being watched?

Cristina: Just the ghost Doing what?

Jack: Why do you think? Why do you care what the ghost prefers?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: If you're the one being watched?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: How does that affect your life? What they prefer? It doesn't matter what they prefer. Yeah, they're watching. You don't even know what they're watching. You just know they're watching one or the other. You're not uncomfortable with the fact that they're probably just like, I'm a watcher. F***, that's awesome. Yeah, she's my granddaughter. But f*** it, I'm a watcher.

Cristina: It's all disturbing.

Jack: Get that D?

Cristina: It's all disturbing.

Jack: Or if it's a complete stranger. Yeah, she didn't let me touch her hand when I was in the train. But you know what? She doesn't know I got hit by a bus immediately after that. Now Imma just watch her forever.

Cristina: No, no one's watching.

Jack: That same creep who was gonna go home and beat off to touching your hand without your permission anyways is now infinitely for all of eternity, beating off to you f****** people for free. Not even. Only fans charges or anything.

Cristina: Maybe I get something special when I die. If I had a bunch of ghost viewers, we don't know that.

Jack: That'd be crazy, right?

Cristina: Yeah, like I'm winning ghost points right now.

Jack: I don't know, man. Or you get to ghost location and get raped immediately by all the people that were watching you because now you're a superstar.

Cristina: But if you're a ghost, like, can you even rape?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Maybe because I thought the whole point of watching other people that are alive is because you can't do anything.

Jack: Who said based on what?

Cristina: Why are you wasting your time watching people then?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: You do whatever you want.

Jack: They probably do whatever they want and watch people. They can watch you without being seen. Why would they not do that?

Cristina: Because they could do other things. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, they're gonna watch you get and then they're gonna go with you. In their mind.

Cristina: They just watch p*** because they can watch.

Jack: They are watching p***. That's exactly what they're doing. Except you're the channel.

Cristina: I don't know. I feel like their lives have to be a little different.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Why would it be just like this?

Jack: Why wouldn't it?

Cristina: It's so lame. It's so lame.

Jack: If it isn't like this, you're basically saying you believe in God and there's a laid out plan and map that we're following. Or we just move forward to another plane that we adjust to and live there until we move from that one.

Cristina: We can't be stalking the past though.

Jack: We literally own photos.

Cristina: We gotta burn those photos.

Jack: We have video recordings. We do nothing but stalk the past. That's 99%. Yeah, 99% of everything is us fixated on what's already happened.

Cristina: That's horrible. It's the worst thing ever. You gotta stop that.

Jack: Good luck. Call Greta Thornburg. Maybe she'll help you.

Cristina: Okay. Wow, it's so disturbing.

Jack: Isn't Greta Thornburg a teenager or some s***? Now she's over here like her rebellion sage. Probably like smacking cigarettes back. Just throwing them into the wood heads, not giving a. She's like the environment. These old people think they can hold us down. I don't even care anymore.

Cristina: The whole robots and like we gotta destroy all humans.

Jack: Nah, man. I think she's probably just going through her rebellious teenage face. Probably like a goth right now. Smoking hella cigarettes and just throwing them into the driest part of the wood. She's like, watch it burn.

Cristina: She's gonna go visit California.

Jack: She wants to recreate California elsewhere. She's like, let's see if we can do this in Florida.

Cristina: I guess that's fine. I don't know.

Jack: She's not even like Amer. Which the f*** is she from? Some other place, Some other Scotland.

Cristina: She lives in German, I think. I don't know. Oh, maybe. Anyway, the next place is in Italy. I don't know if you know about this place. It's an island. It's the volcano. It's the volcano that other volcanoes are named after. It is the original volcano.

Jack: It's called Volcano. Volcano.

Cristina: It's called Volcano. It is called volcano.

Jack: So it's volcano. It's Volcano. Volcano.

Cristina: Yeah, it's Volcano. Volcano. It is the volcano. Look at it. It's huge. It's island, but it's a volcano. And this volcano. Volcano. The volcano from Volcano. In Roman mythology, the volcano on the island is the chimney from Falcon, the Roman God of fire and metalwork. He has a workshop there. And that's the chimney of it in.

Jack: The center of the earth.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess that's co. Under the volcano is the workshop.

Jack: Interesting, interesting. So there's a workshop at the center of everything because isn't that how Thor's hammer was made?

Cristina: In the center of a star? Oh, I don't know. Yes. That's not just in the galaxy movies. I don't know. That was based on Norse mythology too.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay. And the island grows bigger because the cinders and the ashes that he cleans out of his workshop go onto the island. Although it's really the magma, it's really just the magma of the volcano. And earthquakes that come before or within the explosions of ash is due to Vulcan doing his work. He's making weapons for their God, Mars. It's for his armies to wage war and stuff. So he's making their weapons and that's explaining the volcano and it exploding and all that stuff.

Jack: Okay, so when it erupts and has a big explosion, is that. There's a lot of work going on?

Cristina: Yeah, it's a lot of, well, him working on the weapons going on, so. That's cute. Yeah. Look at that volcano. It's a huge volcano. Pretty cool volcano. Okay. I don't care for this place. Okay. And then there's this really interesting looking place in Turkey. They're called the fairy chimneys. They're like little. If you can see, it looks like little homes inside the cave or something, like little doors or windows or something happening on the chimneys. The stories are that the chimneys were built from fairies who live underground. Because fairies do that sometimes. They live underground. They live in random locations. Wait, where is this in Turkey? They're called fairy chimneys in Turkey. And they're like mountains with a bunch of holes in them. If I zoom in, I guess you'll see closer. Looks like.

Jack: Right. So is this what the characters in Legend of Zelda, Wind Waker, are based on? The bird people.

Cristina: The bird people?

Jack: Yeah. They were originally some of the people who lived in Kokiri Village, one of the villages. And they. The. The town below got flooded because the whole world got flooded. And the people evolved to be these.

Cristina: Bird things and they live on in like chimney looking. Oh, they live on the mountain.

Jack: In and out of the mountain.

Cristina: Oh, crap. Oh, maybe. They probably take things from all over. So. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, they have fairies, but I don't know. Those birds aren't seen as fairies in that world though, right? No, just that little thing is a fairy. They haven't seen more than one type of fairy.

Jack: I mean, I guess humans probably consider a lot of these creatures to be equal to fairies. Even if they don't use that exact same word. They're all like mythical things. And to people they're still like, wow.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, really? Okay. In that. In the world. You mean those people are.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like if you look at the. They used to call the Kokiri village people the children fairy kids.

Cristina: The fairy kids?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That's adorable.

Jack: Like, that was literally the term they use on them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They used to say Link was a fairy boy.

Cristina: Well, they were fairies. Wait, did they grow up? They didn't grow up, right?

Jack: No. Link was the only one. Because he wasn't a fairy.

Cristina: No, but the kids. No, they stayed the same size. They probably did. Age? No, not age, age. But like time did pass by in that village or. No, like time was frozen there.

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: Like they were still young, in their 40s. They're still kids in their 40s or whatever.

Jack: I mean, if you choose to count time, I guess.

Cristina: Yeah, that's what I mean. Like they're. They. In a way that sounds very fair. Like if.

Jack: But I don't get what you do. Referencing time. That part doesn't make any sense though.

Cristina: Because if it was no time, then they're just children. Like they're not aging or nothing. Because there's no time.

Jack: Aren't aging. They're not little old people. Yeah, they're always kids.

Cristina: They're always kids.

Jack: Yes. They don't stop being children.

Cristina: Like their minds don't change.

Jack: I don't think so. No.

Cristina: You know.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think they are literally just kids. They depend on the great Deku tree to be like the father figure.

Cristina: Oh, okay. They don't ever want to not be kids.

Jack: They don't know anything else.

Cristina: Oh, they don't know anything. Yeah, I guess.

Jack: Jan, they can't leave.

Cristina: They can't leave. What? Alright then. In Yemen, there is a place that has these trees called dragon blood trees. And they look really cool and strange. And one of the stories is that the first dragon blood tree was created from the blood of a wounded dragon after battling an elephant. And then the tree's blood is the dragon's blood, which the locals use as medicine. And then the second story from the dragon tree, it has to do with Hercules and he. In the Greek mythology, Hercules has a bunch of tasks that he has to do. The 12 Labors of Hercules.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: And in the 11th task, he has to steal the golden apples that the dragon is protecting on that island in that location. And Hercules has to kill the dragon. And then that's the dragon's blood that's flowing in the island and that's what made the dragon trees. Because I guess the dragon's tree does have something that looks like blood oozing out of it, but it's just the SAP, the SAP of the tree SAP.

Jack: Tree SAP? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Unique. So it looks like.

Jack: Oh, there's red tree SAP is pretty common.

Cristina: Red tree SAP. What? Oh, well, to them it looks. Well, the trees look really unique too. Yeah, it's all twisted and weird looking and so they think it's like part of the dragon or whatever. So. Yeah. And then there's the sleeping ute in Colorado. It's a man. Look at it, he's sleeping. See the man sleeping?

Jack: Oh yeah, I see him.

Cristina: Okay. In the story, he's a great warrior God who was battling evil and he got injured and now he's recovering by sleeping, so he just sleeps there until he gets better.

Jack: What's the origin of this? The origin, like who told the story?

Cristina: Native Americans told this story. Which group? I'm not sure. Pretty sure. Native Americans.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: And his wounds became rivers and the rains come out of his pocket. For some reason, his pockets have clouds in them.

Jack: It's the lint collected.

Cristina: Yes. On each season the warrior changes his blankets for the four seasons. So I guess like the clouds above him look different in every season. So they, they're describing as the blanket that he's using. So like in spring he's using a light green blanket, so I guess the sky has a really green look to it, while in fall it's reddish yellow. So he's using a red blanket or whatever. Clouds are changing color every time he changes his blanket and it represents the different seasons in Iceland. There's this giant like hole, this dense looking hole in the ground. You see, it's a huge dent and it's called the Shelter of the gods. And it's explained that it was created by one of Odin's horse. It's an eight legged horse. Only one of its foot though, for some reason touched the earth's ground. The earth. And that's the mark of it. Now gods hang out in there, I guess.

Jack: But the gods are so big. The horse's footprint is that size.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So gods are squeezing in there.

Cristina: Yes, yes they are. And this horse's backstory is amazing. He is. Besides that, he's like an egg legged creature with runes for his teeth. It's kind of bizarre looking. But he is a baby of Loki and it's a weird story, as is.

Jack: Every other child ever.

Cristina: There was a builder who went to the gods, who was like, I want to help you guys. I want to build you a defensive wall for your castle. And they agreed, but they didn't really believe he could do it. So they were like, okay, you can do it, but you have to do it alone. And then he said, alright, but could I at least have my horse help me? And for some reason they agreed. Until they saw that he's his horse was actually very helpful. So then Loki was like, all right, I gotta stop this from happening. So he turned into a female horse and to distract the male horse. And then soon after that, he gave birth to this eight legged freak.

Jack: Loki did?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Fire. Loki turned into a woman, got pregnated, then gave birth to a freak.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, a female horse. Not like. What? Like that's your distraction. I know he's like the pranking God or whatever, but that prank doesn't sound like a prank. Sounds like.

Jack: Sounds like he wanted to f*** a horse.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And have. Raise a family with it.

Cristina: I don't know about that, but I feel like he wanted. He was curious about that horse.

Jack: Yeah. He started a family with the horse when a head became a horse. And then he had sex with the horse and then he started a family with the horse and it's that time Loki settled down.

Cristina: I don't think he settled down. I just think he was curious about that horse.

Jack: Right. And then he got pregnant. But he could have stopped that pregnancy.

Cristina: He's Loki.

Jack: He's a God. But no, he kept playing wife.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He saw this all the way through.

Cristina: Then he had an egg legged freak and then it somehow became Odin's horse.

Jack: Yep. It's a weird family tree happening right here.

Cristina: Yeah. I wonder what is my grand.

Jack: I ride my grandson around her.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh my gosh. That what? How did that happen? There's some mythology for you, but what is the explanation of his other children now? Now I'm like, was he curious about other things?

Jack: Like had the world snake happened?

Cristina: Yes. Like what was he curious?

Jack: Maybe he just became a woman snake and he banged another snake and then boom.

Cristina: Like how often. Yes. Did he give and his jackal children?

Jack: Maybe he just became some sort of jackal woman. Got plowed by some jackal boom God jackal things.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He just likes to get.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What we've landed on is Loki likes sex, but not even like being the dom. He's like way sub.

Cristina: Yes. He doesn't want to be a dude getting.

Jack: He's got hella little spoon energy.

Cristina: A woman and he gives birth. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah, he wants the whole experience.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: He is committed, bro. He's here for the ride. It ain't about no destination. He's here for the whole ride.

Cristina: I wonder if he has any, like, human children and what the explanation of that is?

Jack: Mad boring. After you f*** the snake the size of earth like humans. That feels like a step back.

Cristina: I thought the snake the size of Earth is his child.

Jack: Yeah, but like, what the f*** did he f*** to get that thing?

Cristina: I want to know. It has to be way bigger.

Jack: Fair enough. Either way bigger or he f***** just a normal snake, but because he's a God, he gave birth to this thing.

Cristina: Yes. Well, that's something. We both learned so much from the story. It's a great story.

Jack: Loki's awesome.

Cristina: And besides locations that are explained through myths and stuff, there's also natural disasters that myths are used to explain as well. Like tsunamis from a sea God. The Mochan people that live in some islands near Earth island, they believe in a sea spirit God who sends monstrous waves to pretty much clean out the humans and to eat them. And one time they collected a bunch of fallen coconuts and went to the sea to beg the wave to not destroy their boats or their island or whatever. To not destroy their boats. And the wave, I guess, listened to them and they were saved. That's the story that they tell to themselves. Like, that's the Myth. But in 2004, they remembered that story and it actually saved their lives. Because they remember the story of how they survived the first time, but not by getting the coconuts, but because they remember the whole wave going back and then coming, but it didn't, like, destroy them. But in this time, it was there to destroy them. They went somewhere up higher and they all survived, except for one person, I think died. But around them, a bunch of people died from this. Just them specifically, this group of people were able to make it out alive thanks to a myth. So that's pretty awesome.

Jack: That is kind of badass. Sort of went full circle. It began as an explanation, and that explanation turned out to be the saving grace of a couple of people. Yeah, because it was based on truth.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which then goes to say, how many of these myths are based on truth? Like, one dude almost got magnetism and solar winds. Yeah, like, he got pretty close. So how many of these things, although wrapped around the crazy veil of whatever the beliefs were at that time, are, like, actually accurate? Like, if you sift through them enough and you pick the right things, truth is just there.

Cristina: I don't know that's interesting. I like that this actually worked for someone.

Jack: Yeah, it actually worked. The story was built on a fact about tsunamis.

Cristina: Yeah. In Japan, they have this creature called the namazu. The Namazu, which is a giant catfish who causes earthquakes with his tail. Originally, he was there just to warn people before a flood or rain so that they know, like, oh, no, something bad's gonna happen. But he wasn't like a bad creature or anything. Then the tail changed through time, and then he became something called the yokai, which is a creature that's a creature that just destroys things.

Jack: Not necessarily. The yokai, as told to us by the host of Obscure Anomalies when he was guesting on the show, was that his name is Chris Rustic, and he was telling us about the yokai and how the yokai are creatures created to tell stories that couldn't be explained in any other way.

Cristina: Okay. Well, they decided that now he's the one destroying everything with his tail. He's making the earthquakes and the tsunamis with his tail fascinating. Which originally he was a good guy, but whatever. And then later he, I guess, sort of became the good guy again. But now he's punishing people for human. For greed.

Jack: So Santa Claus.

Cristina: Yes. Because his destruction was pretty much destroying the property of the rich people. Because tsunamis and earthquakes are destroying wealthy people's properties, and then they're seeing it as a good thing.

Jack: Fair enough. Because the argument here is if you don't own anything, you don't have anything to lose. And the people who do own anything are the ones who are getting f***. It's when natural disasters happen. Which then comes to put the argument forward that only the greedy people suffer in tragedies. Because the homeless people were already homeless.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And already owned nothing. And nomads and people who just live roaming freely don't own anything to lose. An earthquake hits, your building collapses. Even if there were people renting those apartments, they can go rent somewhere that didn't collapse. The owner of the building is f*****, though.

Cristina: Yes. Yes.

Jack: House owners are f*****.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: House renters can just go rent somewhere else.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Owners of stuff get screwed in an earthquake.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Same thing happens in hurricanes. People who own s*** lose s***. People who don't own s*** don't lose s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Natural disasters attack only the wealthy.

Cristina: Yes. Except for the deaths. That's pretty much everyone but the property, though.

Jack: Yeah. Property wise, wealthy. Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah. So, yeah.

Jack: That's why nothing else that could be attacked. Anyways, we are running out of time.

Cristina: Okay. What?

Jack: Yeah. But pretty fascinating I like that some of these people are pretty spot on on what their lessons are. Even if, you know, some of it is crazy.

Cristina: Some of it.

Jack: But it's like a lot of it is crazy in grounded ways. Like they thought about it enough to make it make sense and then told the story with it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then that story turned out true.

Cristina: The best one though was the Chinese. Jesus. Yeah, like, how could you?

Jack: Lady came out of f****** nowhere and started Chineseism.

Cristina: Started. Yeah, those lights were magical.

Jack: Chineseism was the Chinese, the first Asians. Is every other Asian culture, like branching out of Chinese?

Cristina: Maybe Because a lot they're the old. Like they have the oldest, then the.

Jack: Answer is if they are the oldest, then yes.

Cristina: Like not that they're the oldest, but they have the oldest records, I would say from others. Because they were writing before anyone else.

Jack: The Chinese invented record keeping.

Cristina: Well, in the Chinese, I mean the Asian culture, they were the ones that were writing.

Jack: Oh, okay.

Cristina: And that's why everyone else got writing from their writing.

Jack: Because my understanding was that the Jews were the ones who invented record keeping.

Cristina: Well, then maybe they were. I don't know. One passed it to the other, who knows?

Jack: Yeah, but anyways, if you guys like stuff like this.

Cristina: Hey, what about the Egyptians? Are they not older? They were writing, although we can't understand their writing. So do they count? That doesn't count.

Jack: I mean, record keeping as we know it now, where names are written down and family trees are kept in track and that kind of stuff. Yeah, the modern day record keeping that we still do now with just better things. But it was more or less the same thing. That was. I believe I could be mistaken and this could be misinformation, but I don't. The f*** who thinks I'm telling the truth anyways when I'm talking? Yeah, it could totally be the Jews.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Well, in fact, whether or not it's the Jews, it's the Jews.

Cristina: Well, I'm saying it's the Chinese.

Jack: Yeah, fair enough. Anyways, if you guys like things of this nature, there are actually many episodes on random crap like this. The closest thing I could think of to like disasters like this would actually be the mass hysteria episode.

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: Because it's talking about large scale things that happened which kind of falls in line with these large things. Except that's way leaning more towards, you know, trying to dissect the psychology of crazy people.

Cristina: Yeah. But we also, I think, go a little into the weird explanations they came up with.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Before actually figuring it out.

Jack: Interesting, interesting.

Cristina: It's pretty Cool.

Jack: Anyways, you guys can find that stuff on the official website greatthoughts.info on Apple podcast, Spotify, or anywhere you get your podcast.

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Jack: Yes. Word of mouth is the most important thing in the world. I tell you this at the beginning, always, and I tell you this at the end, that you have to approach somebody with the kindest heart and ask them. Look, I would love if you listen to the show and if you don't, it's totally cool. There's no pressure, but I hope you can listen to the show. I think you'll enjoy it a lot. And when you're genuine like that, people will just be like, man, this guy, a good guy. And they'll just listen.

Cristina: Of course.

Jack: They'll give it a shot. So just know you share your kindness.

Cristina: They will listen, of course.

Jack: Love is the way.

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Jack: He might have taken a poop in the litter.

Cristina: Boxing all the poop.

Jack: He's scooping all the poop. He didn't say scooping all the poop.

Cristina: That's not a thing.

Jack: No, I think he's just scooping the poop.

Cristina: His poop? Just once.

Jack: His poop? Yeah, he took a poop and I was scooping it. He's a good citizen.

Cristina: That's it.

Jack: Huh?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: He exists in a universe where he took a poop and he just picked the poop up.

Cristina: There has to be more to that song.

Jack: Maybe he grabbed the poop with his bare hand.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know.

Jack: Just a bare grip. Just a bear grip on a poop log.

Cristina: No, if he's scooping it, then he has a something.

Jack: Some sort of poop scooper.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Oh, scooper. To scoop the poop.

Jack: Yeah, he has a scooper to scoop.

Cristina: Then that would make it seem like he's done this before.

Jack: He had a scooper to scoop the poop with.

Cristina: Like, unless that scoop is used for something else.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. Let's. Let's dive deep into this.

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