Grey Thoughts

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in five, four.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd, baffling ideas. And as of in Fate Infinity. It seems now we've been following this weird, unraveling narrative about the sea people, the Shadow Realm. Now Elfame is included, Adrenochrome, and a series of other events that seem to all coincide and exist together, including Jesus.

Cristina: Christ, Jesus, aliens, etc.

Jack: Etc. Etc. So when we discovered Elfhame, which is essentially the magic realm, one of the three realms, all the other realms really collapse into the three realms, which are the Shadow Realm, Earthrealm, and Elfame. Although it seems like in Greek mythology there's nine, In Norse mythology, there's nine. In Christian mythology, there's three. Three. But it doesn't seem the same three. The three kind of exist. They're spoken of the way that all of they only address three that seem to all be part of the Earth Realm, and then the Shadow realm briefly as Limbo. So kind of almost everywhere they leave out Alfame, which is the actual third realm. They discuss a number of other things as though their realms, but they're not. Anyways, in Elfame, it seems that the God of gods is made, as we have established the God named Mab, which is again, we use gods as a terminology that simply shows up in texts and documents. But at this point we've established that seemingly everything is advanced civilizations of the past and a crap ton of science. Yes, science that looks different depending where they do it. And it looks magical because of the leaps and bounds from everyone around them.

Cristina: It's actually magic.

Jack: It doesn't mean it's actually.

Cristina: We just don't get it.

Jack: Exactly, exactly. The best way to describe it is sciences from different physics. Yes, it's the best way to put it. So one of the things that we came across was the quote, God Oros, created by a bigger God, AKA scientist. So a science. I'm assuming Oros is some sort of homunculus or artificial life form, a lot like an Android or something along those things. But it could have been the first successful. Whatever everybody else is trying to do.

Cristina: Yes, the goal, whatever that goal is. Okay.

Jack: And Oros makes what is what we refer to as Sanaga, which is a serpent race, sort of artificial serpent race. And last week we traced Oros to see where it would take us if we tried to like cross reference Oros, his creations, and what we already know is involved in this bigger narrative. Right, because we know Elfin created Oros and told Oros to send his creations, one each, to the most technologically advanced civilizations across the realms.

Cristina: Shirsi is not related to us. Like, she didn't make us and leave us to go over there or anything like that.

Jack: There's no way to know. We don't know anything about Mab.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Other than she.

Cristina: She has made those things that are in that other.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. We don't know anything other than that. And that she made the three goddesses that are probably the creators of life across the other two realms.

Cristina: Okay. They're responsible.

Jack: I think they're the gods, quote unquote, that have made the life that exists in the other two realms.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And probably that just. I think we should stop saying gods and establish that they are scientists. These are a bunch of scientists and magnitudes that we don't understand. The easiest way to understand it would be to go back to an episode called the Kardashev scale, which explains giant magnitudes of power that exists simply scientifically, starting at us. We're not even magnitude 1. Magnitude 1 uses the entire power of a planet. Magnitude 2 uses the entire power of a star. Magnitude 3 uses the entire power of several stars. Magnitude 4 uses galaxies, magnitude 5, several galaxies, so on and so forth, until you have the power to control entire universes, multiverses, so on and so forth.

Cristina: Ridiculous. So we don't know where she is.

Jack: She must be bare minimum, beyond the point of a universe. It must be that level of advance. And this is assuming. This would lead us to assume that she is just one of many and that, like, that's the only reference we can understand of her. But there's. There has to be stuff over her. She might just be one scientist, okay? But the level of power we're discussing is incomprehensible to us.

Cristina: But all we know is she is the top, from what we've gathered.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. She's the top of. At least from our perspective. We don't know. And it's probably not. She's probably not.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Everything is fractal. Everything is the same all the way up, everything is the same all the way down. And so if we follow her, this should play out that way. Anyways, last week we were talking and we found, cross referencing Oros, we could successfully track the Egyptians and the entire lineage. We found the serpent that was sent there, the Naga that was sent there by Oros, which Was Wadjet one of them.

Cristina: And we found that Shadow people working with them.

Jack: We saw the Shadow people were working with them. That the Shadow people also had a Naga. That was their complicated name. I don't remember it and. Or kind of remember it. I saw it was. I'm not gonna try to pronounce. But anyways, Ra, the leader of the group, and Adam, another leader of a group they have. They create a team of researchers that are presumably all the way in the Great Void right now. The Great Void in space.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Because they made teleportation technology and the ability to control immense energy and store immense energy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So there was another group of people that seem to be very, very, very, very, very involved with the Sea People as well, and had identical records stored with them. Now, we didn't know what the point of these or how. How primarily. And we. The point of going through Oros and his children is to find all the connecting links. All the most powerful civilizations, of which there are a bunch. But a lot of them are insignificant in power by comparison, even if they're highly advanced compared to normal people.

Cristina: And we weren't sure whether they were enemies or friends or what was going on. And it seems like who the Naga, whether it was the fairy people or the Shadow people or humans like their relationships to each other. But with the Egyptians, it looked like.

Jack: Everyone was working together, at least in that case. Yes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: At least in that scenario. We had a good example of the research team called the Shad, the Sun Gods, working together. And this was a coalition of creatures from Elf fame in the form of the Naga, creatures from the Shadow Realm and creatures from Earth Realm and the Sea People, which are from EarthRealm. But we got to discuss them separately.

Cristina: Yes, because they seem human or they are, but they're not.

Jack: Doesn't matter if they're human or not. Yes, because not everything we're discussing is even necessarily human. We have no idea if any of the creatures from earthrealm are necessarily human. We just know they're from earthrealm and way advanced. It could be a different lineage of some intelligent life form. But the Sea People have to be discussed separately because of the leap of technology from the next best thing. They're so far out there. But last week's episode was the Sun Gods, and it was establishing that. That, yes, there is a team of people across all three realms kind of working together for some unknown purpose. And it seems like we're closing in on something like they're trying to get to. We already know that Jesus was most likely made to try to get into Alfame. We know that Joseph was made probably to try to get there. And with the information we got last.

Cristina: Week, someone betrayed the group.

Jack: Yes, but it seems that they were also trying to build enough energy. Yes, and a teleportation device. And they have all the things needed to make Jesus in the first place. And all of this seemed to be aiming in that direction. So as far as we know, getting into Alfame seems to be the primary goal of everybody.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So allow us to introduce today's episode, the Earth Gods.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: Now, following Oros, there was a second group of people who were as connected as the Egyptians. That would be the Maya.

Cristina: The Maya.

Jack: But the Maya are all the way in Guatemala, the border of Mexico, way over there. How are they even connected?

Cristina: How?

Jack: So we follow Oros and we cross reference Oros and the Maya. Let us begin. Oros had one child that he named Kukulkan. And Kokulkan is a Naga. Like we have seen a pattern of a feathered serpent. This has been showing everywhere.

Cristina: Yes. Now, wait, but this is his only son. What are the other things?

Jack: I didn't say that's his only son. He said he had a son.

Cristina: Oh, for some reason, I thought you said only like what?

Jack: Okay, this is one of his children.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So, yeah, named Kukulkan. And Kukulkan is a serpent like the rest of them. A feathered serpent like the rest of them. We call them children. They're probably just his experiments. For all we know, using his DNA or whatever it is he has. Anyways, so he goes to the Maya, this advanced developing civilization, and he goes to side with. Now it's we before we knew they went to help civilizations. As we dug deeper, we found out that they seem to almost be assigned to individuals.

Cristina: Yeah, right.

Jack: They seem to assign to individuals. And not even assigned. They just go to whoever's the leader of whatever most advanced civilization.

Cristina: Dude, I was like, I'm gonna be the leader.

Jack: Yeah, he told the abandoned post. But Kakul Ken goes and joins the Mayan leader, called it Zamna and Itzamna again. Mayan leader is very similar in a lot of ways. Tara, the scientist of some scientist astronomer. He developed the Mayan written language and the Mayan calendar.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: And he established herbal medicine for the Mayan people and the city of Chichen Itza. Okay, so this is a very important man. Very scientifically inclined, very powerful, very resourceful, very useful. Of course, Kukulkan would go to his side to assist him in developing this civilization with the beginning of the city Chichen Itza. So this is one of the largest cities, if not the largest city, depending where you're looking from or what sources you're looking at, is the largest city in the Mayan Empire.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Itzamna, again, the most interesting two details here are that he created the written language and the calendar, but is simultaneously an astronomer and a scientist. The this goes perfect the astronomy and science with the creation of a calendar. He's watching the stars and understanding how that breaks apart. Where it gets weird is the fact that he was also a capable of understanding medicine to such a degree. They created herbal medicine for the Mayans, and he created written language. This will later be very useful. Now this immediately becomes a very, very, very familiar scene.

Cristina: How so?

Jack: It's important to know that the Mayan people call many of their highest leaders spirit gods. They weren't just gods, as we know. All the scientists often are the ones labeled like the most powerful civilizations with the most powerful individuals are often called gods because there's a huge gap of division between them and the people that they keep out of their work. And at this point, I think words of the past God just meant scientists at this point, perhaps through time, the word God became scientists, which applies with how we look at things. Yeah, because science tries to tell us how the universe began the same way God tries to tell us how the universe began. There's a lot of similarities here. So I'm thinking as we see this over and over and over, it seems more and more likely that the word God in every instance translates to scientist. But something that kept showing up in these mythological researches and writings was spirit gods. Just gods that you would assume is already some sort of spiritual being. No, they made it very important to say spirit God in particular. And let me establish that Itzamna, the most important of them, was not a spirit God. He was just a God.

Cristina: I felt the spirit God underneath him or above him.

Jack: No, he's the highest, most important person.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And he's one of several. He's just the most important one. And they're not necessarily all called spirit gods. Only some of them are. I found this very interesting and very confusing. I had no reference point as to what they meant with the word spirit specifically until I dug a little deeper. Now let us bring into the picture. It's Amna's wife. Her name is Ixchel. Okay. This is immediately gonna answer so much. Ixchal is again the wife of Izamna, called by the people A spirit manifested from suffering.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Which remained on earth for a spirit manifested from suffering.

Cristina: What a horrible description. What?

Jack: No, it's not. It's a description we've heard a million times.

Cristina: Is it Jesus. I don't know. What? What is this description?

Jack: There is no way in h*** you're not connecting this most obvious of all dots.

Cristina: A spirit that.

Jack: A spirit that manifested through suffering.

Cristina: I don't know. Wow.

Jack: I might just wait until you connect the dots. I don't even understand how this is not clicking.

Cristina: What do you mean? How is it so obvious? A spirit? I don't know. She a banshee? I don't know.

Jack: What is a banshee?

Cristina: A fairy. A fairy. Right. Okay, so she's a fairy.

Jack: A banshee isn't a fairy.

Cristina: How are you?

Jack: How can you think fairy and still not even think of the Shadow Realm? And how everything over there shows up because of suffering? What?

Cristina: I thought Banshee was a fairy. And I thought fairies did come from the Shadow Realm, but they don't.

Jack: They come from Elfame.

Cristina: Okay, yes. No, I thought, like, from some of them came from the Shadow Realm. Not all of them.

Jack: I know there's no fairy comes from the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: But the banshee I thought was also a fairy. Yes.

Jack: This is before we had a bunch of information that elaborated on differences between creatures.

Cristina: Okay, but they're not fairies whatsoever.

Jack: I mean, a banshee might be a fairy. I don't know. But the point is, the Ix shell came with suffering.

Cristina: Yes, yes, yes. Okay. Shadow Realm creature.

Jack: Like everything in the Shadow Realm that has ever shown up on this side without there being a gate, it happened because of suffering. Sacrifices, fear. Which is suffering.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: How the h*** was that not just obvious as h***? We've been talking about this for like three years straight.

Cristina: She's a human. She's not.

Jack: I never said that specifically. Said a spirit manifested from suffering.

Cristina: But the guy is human.

Jack: I don't know. I also began by saying that we don't know that any of these scientists are necessarily human. Oh, just because Earth Realm does not mean human.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That is. I don't know what your inclination to connect humans.

Cristina: Because I thought he was a Mayan.

Jack: That doesn't mean he's human. The Mayan people who were left behind were human. But what are these? Why are there people way more advanced? There are Egyptians who are human now. But what the h*** happened to the great powerful Egyptians that were there first? Were they human who abandoned humanity? Or were there something else? We don't know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They are. We have no idea what these things are. They could have been human, but we do not know. We don't know. I have no idea how the h*** you weren't connect. I'm sure every listener who has followed up to now was screaming it. Because it's obviously a creature from the Shadow Realm. Obviously. There's nothing else. This could have been a spirit manifested from suffering. Nothing else. It could have been. We have not.

Cristina: She sounds like one of those ladies that were ghosts. I don't know which came from where, I don't remember.

Jack: 100 it was the shadow realm now.

Cristina: But I. I confused them with elves. I don't know.

Jack: Elves are. They could just move through their actual fairies just move through effortlessly. The fact that she needed a catalyst should have been the answer. Anyways. That sad, sad lapse of dot connecting aside, Ixchel has an unnamed serpent coiled on as a hair, as a headdress.

Cristina: Interesting. She has a snake too.

Jack: Yeah, it's unnamed and only speaks to Ixcho.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: No one has ever heard it speak, but they see her speaking to it and it responding, but they don't hear it. It's like whispering to her. And she's talking back to it. Yeah, they just know it communicates only with her. Unknown why, but she had her own.

Cristina: So it might be one of those Magas, whatever they call Maguas Naga.

Jack: It's definitely a Naga.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But now we have a very similar situation to the Sun Gods where Adam had his own serpent and so did Ra, and they were both part of the same group. So the Sun Gods had two. And here we are with the Earth Gods and they have two.

Cristina: Yes, and one of them in the other place was a Shadow realm. First scientist like this place, Adam. Yeah. So it's. It's mirroring in that way too.

Jack: Yes. The Ixchel comes and. Well, actually a few of them in the research team of the Sun Gods came from the Shadow Realm. I believe it was three. It was Adam and two more, I think.

Cristina: So it could be something like that in this party as well.

Jack: Could 100% be. Yeah. So things about Ixchel that matter. Not only is she the wife of Itzamna, which means he married a creature from the Shadow Realm. Which puts us even closer than just.

Cristina: It was hard to understand that she was a creature because like, you don't hear stories of people marrying shadow realm.

Jack: No, this is the first point exactly.

Cristina: That doesn't sound right.

Jack: But everything else about it should have. Had I started the other way around, he would have been like, okay, it's a creature from the shadow.

Cristina: Yeah. So saying he was married to her or she was his wife, like that seems like a normal person that's described as a ghost or something.

Jack: Doesn't say they had children of any sort though. Which because they probably couldn't mate.

Cristina: Yes, makes sense.

Jack: Yeah. Now very interesting detail here. It doesn't seem that they're equals even if she is his wife, because something that showed up repeatedly is that she was the assistant of Izamna, almost equal to Kukulkin.

Cristina: Which one's Kukulkin?

Jack: His serpent. His mother.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Now what were her duties? That becomes very interesting. Settling. She was a biologist, she was a botanist. And she single handedly advanced and developed the agricultural development of the Maya.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So between the two of them, they successfully turned the Maya empire into the colossal, monstrously large empire, most likely the largest civilization before modern day that existed. Yeah, and that's keeping in mind that the Sea people civilization wasn't even large as compared to a lot of these civilizations. It might have actually been the smallest.

Cristina: How do we know that?

Jack: Because of how small and focused all of their work was. The Maya was colossal. Egyptians. That was huge. I mean nowhere near the size of the Maya. That s***'s big as f***. But it was still big as f***. While at least while in the Persian Gulf oasis. That was small. The Palos Rakaras is small. Like it's not like literally the size of a city. Maybe smaller. Oh, less than New York. Manhattan, not state Manhattan, smaller.

Cristina: How big of the Mayan location?

Jack: All of Guatemala, some of Mexico.

Cristina: Oh, okay, yeah.

Jack: Size of countries. Okay, well casual. Casual like size difference is colossal. It's like why the. I guess the focus of the sea people is exaggerated. But also they were very private. But not at the beginning. They shared stuff, but they're. Except their home.

Cristina: Except their home.

Jack: Important detail. They shared everything except their home. To the point the rest of the Persians felt alienated from them. Interesting, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So even while they were sharing, they were so private. So yeah, they developed this huge, colossal, monstrous sized civilization. Now enter the last member of the Earth gods sizen.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: As referred to by the people of Maya, a spirit allured by death.

Cristina: Another shadow realm creature.

Jack: The shadow realm creature, referred to specifically as the God of death. Now interesting things about this guy according to the Maya seemed capable of suddenly appearing where tragedies and death occurred.

Cristina: Did they say what he was doing around the area? He just happens to be there.

Jack: Whatever, hanging out, whatever shadow people do. None of that matters because the next next Bullet point makes him maybe the most important thing we've heard of so far. Which makes him more important than Autumn, who created an entire successful civilization in the Shadow Realm. More important than Jehovah of the Dark, which seems to be the big issue.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: More important than the creatures we've seen come from over there that aren't evil, sadistic monsters. Specifically, how they refer to it is that he was the ruler of the underworld.

Cristina: That's different.

Jack: This individual might be the most powerful individual to have come from the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: The top of the food chain hanging out there.

Jack: Interesting, though.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, descriptions of him. There's not a lot of descriptions of the others. There's a lot of descriptions. They were very. He left an impression. He dresses with the decomposed bodies of those he ate to become leader in the underworld.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: Is sustained. Oh, man. This is the most important part, I suppose, because he doesn't seem to just be able to stay over here. Somehow Ixchell and Autumn and these creatures manage to stay over here. This guy seems. Maybe he is literally part of the Shadow Realm because of this. Next line. Is sustained in the overworld Earth Realm with regular ritual human sacrifices.

Cristina: Sounds right. Okay. That sounds really dangerous to have around you. I don't get it.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: This confuses me.

Jack: He's not killing them. People are offering sacrifices to him.

Cristina: This is so Shadow Realm adrenochrome.

Jack: This is way in there.

Cristina: This seems like the opposite of what the sea people would be interested in.

Jack: They're not working with them. As far as we have discussed.

Cristina: Like from what we knew in the past, from other things. We thought the Mayans were getting their signs and stuff from the sea people, like the Egyptians. Well, but now maybe not. I don't know.

Jack: Again, he's not sacrificing anybody himself. If he was out there murdering, I'm sure that would be against it. But if the idea is that this guy is very useful for us and the people have agreed we rather have them than not. Nobody's forcing anybody. Again, it's sacrifices he is not murdering. They are offering.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: Specifically, ritual human sacrifice. The humans are offering it to him. And they do it discreetly at his command, which then changes what we think of them because. Yeah. Human sacrifice. Oh, how horrible. But he doesn't want it visible. So it's not fear, it's the blood that's keeping him around.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He has him toss the sacrifices into a well called Cenote, and then he goes in the well and he does his thing. Okay, he doesn't seem to be a Djinn. Ixchell seems to be a Djinn. Autumn seems to be a Djinn. This guy is a creature that isn't a Djinn because he does need the blood.

Cristina: He still sounds like some type of Shadow Realm creature.

Jack: No, he's a Shadow Realm creature for sure, but not a Djinn. He's some other thing. Now we have our team. We have our team of the Earth gods. Sizen ishell. It's Zamna and the two serpents. The unnamed serpent and Kakulkan. What were they doing?

Cristina: What were they doing?

Jack: Let us begin with El Castillo translates to the castle. The castle is a temple, Itzamna, built to the specifications of Ixchel and Kakulkan, that's his serpent and his wife working together. And they came up with this formula, this structure, this something. And basically, during the spring and autumn equinox, an alignment of the sun, the earth, the castle, and the castle stairs and the moon all happen.

Cristina: That's pretty cool.

Jack: Interesting happens to this day. And most interesting about it is when this happens, a rift opens on the stairs. For one day, twice a year, a rift opens on the stairs and you no longer can enter the temple. You cross the rift when you go up the stairs.

Cristina: Where's the rift leading to? Is it the shadow realm? Is it some other thing?

Jack: The rift would open along the steps of El Castillo during the spring. The rift would lead to a land they named Kaf.

Cristina: Is it a mountain? Is it on top of a mountain? I'm so curious.

Jack: It doesn't say, but we know it is.

Cristina: It takes them to the mountain, and the mountain has a transporter.

Jack: But that doesn't mean none of this is the point. It is literally the mountain.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which means they have a way to get directly in front of the Egyptians and directly in front of the sea people. And they both have a way to get to the Mayans once a year.

Cristina: Yes, during the spring equinox.

Jack: During the autumn equinox, the rift would lead to the underworld.

Cristina: Okay, that makes sense, I guess.

Jack: To the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yes, but anyone could go in there. What?

Jack: El Castillo is where the sea people have stored a copy of the scientific data shared with the Maya. That is the same place that has all the same writings that we see in the Sphinx. Under the Sphinx, they share the data. That's the data that they claim on their walls that says, okay, we have a storage by the sea people. And it is all the information and scientific advancements they have provided for us under El Castillo. And under the Sphinx. Those are the two locations that have exactly the same data as said, exactly the same way. And two completely different civilizations that are.

Cristina: Complet separated by talking about the sea.

Jack: People, talking about the sea people and being given information by the sea people. They say that the sea people gave them data and that it's stored there. That is El Castillo. So when I found that, that's where I found it from the original time, although I never paid attention to the name because it was relevant. But now we know the name is El Castillo. Okay, so that's just an important bit of detail that answers a couple of things. How they get to each other.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: How the Egyptians and the Maya have the same data. Now we know an access point, Mount Kaf, as important as Mount Athos. In fact, it's possible that Mount Athos is the current day Mount Kaf.

Cristina: Mount Kaf is the one that disappeared.

Jack: It's the one that disappeared.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Around the time that Mount Athos came to use Coenkabink.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now the Earth Gods research. The Mayan people dubbed these gods the Earth Gods because of their primary focus. I did not name them the Earth Gods. This was a coincidence that happens to line up with the Egyptians calling their scientists the Sun Gods.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The Sun Gods were working on energy, immense amounts of energy. Like the sun?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And teleportation to somewhere far above. Like the sun?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay, so the Earth Gods got their name relative to their work as well. Can you guess what they were doing? Probably not. But what's your best shot?

Cristina: Besides like the medicine that you mentioned? I don't know.

Jack: Makes total sense, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And botany and biology. It all has to do with life so far.

Cristina: Yeah. Are they trying to live forever?

Jack: No, because there is also a pattern we should be following. Let us dive in. The primary focus of the Earth Gods, dubbed by the Mayan people. Their major goal was to create sentient life using the genetics of crops. It gets better when we dive deeper. According to Ixchel, the reason that it was important for her research to continue in earthrealm, or the Overworld as they call it, is because Earth had properties which allowed for imitation magic.

Cristina: Earth.

Jack: Earth. The sciences of Earth have a way of imitating magic.

Cristina: Okay, okay. That makes sense. Okay. What?

Jack: Something about biology.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Biology doesn't exist in the shadow realm. Biology doesn't exist in Alphaen. Biology is specifically an earthrealm feature. There's the other sciences. But why the f*** are there so many sciences in earthrealm, one of which is biology.

Cristina: What is happening? Okay.

Jack: Creatures in the Shadow Realm aren't born. They manifest and then they persist. Creatures in Elfame don't seem to be born as far as we know. They're created.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then they persist. But over here it's self producing.

Cristina: Which I think has to relate with the one thing we have that they don't have. These other places. The thing that the sea people have.

Jack: The fruits.

Cristina: The fruits. I think it started not with the fruits. Adam and Eve.

Jack: With Adam at least.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The ability to create in a way that perpetuates itself.

Cristina: Yes, that's what's the important thing. Interesting, because we can't even prove the sea people can do that. Oh, wait. But.

Jack: Well, when we look at other civilizations, even if they're from Earth Realm, we look at like the Greek, we look at the. The Norse. They didn't have the ability to create life that can self perpetuate. They could create life that just. It sustains itself. It can stay there, but it won't make more life. Only the sea people seem to have what we call Adam and Eve. Which led to what we consider humans that seem to kind of move forward.

Cristina: Yes. And all the animals and etc.

Jack: Everything. Everything similar to magic. It could just make more stuff.

Cristina: Yeah, just more stuff happens.

Jack: Doesn't require catalysts, just more stuff happens. Interesting. Imitation magic combined with earthrealm sciences could result in advanced sentient life is the idea. They bring their sciences, they use earth sciences and they use this element. Whatever caused things to go from not alive to alive, whatever the that is. Yeah, I think that's the fixation. I think that's a fixation. Whatever the difference between a cell and a virus is if a virus is dead and a cell is alive, whatever the f*** is happening between those two points. That's the fixation. Before cells were cells. That's a fixation. What made cells living cells? That's fixation. Whatever the f*** is happening there. Fascinating. Alright.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: According to Sizen, the djinn in the Shadow Realm can feel the energy from the earthrealm sciences.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: The biology of earthrealm allowed natural passage between realms.

Cristina: What? What?

Jack: Think about it.

Cristina: We're attracting those things.

Jack: No, the biology of earthrealm allowed for natural passage through the realms. We know this because of adrenochrome. It alters your biology. And then you can somehow just go there when you die. And something that seems to be very biological fear allows them to come from over there. Over here.

Cristina: Okay, so it had to have started here to there. Yeah.

Jack: There's some Natural magic element that shouldn't exist in earthrealm. Yes, that does. Without anybody doing anything. Without anybody doing anything. You could just go scared the s*** out of somebody, drink their blood. Now you get passage into the shadow realm. And in the time that they're scared, Shadow realm creatures can just come into the. Something is just wrong here that shouldn't have happened. Something that shouldn't exist over here because the realms were different. It's the realm of physics, it's the realm of magic, and it's the realm of power. And somehow we also have a little bit of magic.

Cristina: Yes. I don't think we did, but. Okay.

Jack: Weird, right?

Cristina: Yes. But we're the unique.

Jack: Something about biology.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It was magical.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it shouldn't be. But it might have something to do with the sea people.

Cristina: Yes, for sure.

Jack: Adam and Eve.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Chances are, before they tampered, there wasn't. But also, how were their plans if that's biological? There's some part of this picture that isn't clicking because they were around 2.5 million years ago. But there's crap way before them that was all biological.

Jack: And that was all reproducing.

Cristina: But that didn't attract these things. I think it took one of them. So fear.

Jack: They didn't have fear. They didn't have adrenaline. They didn't have blood. No. All that was still there.

Cristina: I don't know. But the sea people.

Jack: No. Everything that was here before.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: All the things that were here for millions.

Cristina: Their fear maybe is not as strong as our fear.

Jack: I think there's some. Because that means it was. That this realm has always had magic infused. That means it didn't require the sea people. Anybody would have stumbled upon it. I think somehow somebody added something.

Cristina: Somebody added something.

Jack: Yes. So I don't think it necessarily has to do with the fear or it necessarily has to do with the adrenochrome. I think we figured something out with that, but. Or if it does, the sea people and Adam and Eve have nothing to do with it existing on this end. I guess that's what I'm trying to get to. They're just trying to replicate it or figure it out, understand why it exists on this end. And they're using Adam and Eve to do it. Which means throughout all of history, through all of time, through all the existence of all that has ever been in Earth Realm, there has been that little dose of magic. Interesting enough, if we look at. Just looking at physics, there should be, when the universe is created, an equal amount of matter and antimatter an equal amount of energy, equal distribution. But we know factually, we know factually, something happened and it was just slightly uneven. And then that allowed stars to form and that allowed planets to happen. That allowed. Because there was an unevenness. And that unevenness allowed everything to happen. That unevenness might be that little bit of magic that shouldn't have been here. Which means since the beginning of time, when this realm was created, was something off. It had nothing to do with the sea people. The sea people are trying to capitalize on it. They're trying to figure it out. It might be the closest to figuring it out. But they didn't make humanity. No, Adam and Eve didn't make humanity. We evolved naturally.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: That's why science and religion conflict so hard. Because religion trying to tell us, oh, Adam and Eve made you. But it's like, whatever, our ancestors are clearly around way before that moment.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So there's something about this realm that has always been a little messed up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the sea people are just the first to figure it out. And although Elfhame should be the center, Shadow realm and Earth realm being to its sides or below it, you could say in a triangular form where the tip is Elfame, and the two bottom points are the shadow realm and Earth realm. Instead, a line formed, and Elfame seems to have created Shadow realm below it, but Earth realm above it. And that's where the fear then comes in. How are the shadow people stopping magic? You're stronger than the magic. How are the not the shadow people? How are the sea people stopping the magic? How are the sea people creating things like Jesus? How is that same technology surviving the test of time and making it till the Jews can create something like Joseph? You send your most powerful creatures out there, the elves, to stop the cap. And these guys are just like, nah, nah, nah, f*** that, F*** that. You can't interact with us. We're too good. So something happened in creating earthrealm where Mab messed up.

Cristina: Well, not Mab, because she made things that made us.

Jack: Fair enough, but I think she made the realms, and then those things made the life.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But if we were to say it's just the life, that would be one thing. But the way the universe formed proves that it exists. Ingrained in all that is EarthRealm. There's some. Some feature about EarthRealm that is really exaggerated in some way we don't understand.

Cristina: No, but now we know it's our magic, well, we'll see something similar to magic.

Jack: At least it has the same effects as magic. Because without any science, without any magic, without any power, just adrenochrome, just something that runs in our veins, we can gain passage into the shadow realm just with our emotions. We can grant passage into our realm. Yeah, overpowered. Overpowered, that is.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Alternatively, it might be a human feature because it doesn't seem to have been mentioned in any other magnitude.

Cristina: Yeah, we don't know if the sea people can do anything like that either.

Jack: But then we do know that the butterflies had the same effect. Yes, we know animal sacrifices could bring. Yes, we could drink and cross over in small magnitudes. And with little bits of fear we can bring things over. So animals have it too.

Cristina: Animals do have it. I don't know if the sea people have it because as far as we.

Jack: Can go, yeah, we don't know if you're human, but animals aren't human.

Cristina: Aren't human. But they can still have it.

Jack: They can still have it. So we don't know if the sea people are even biologic in the way we are.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess that's. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, it's getting weird, right?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Wow. It's crazy because with little effort and intervention, natural earth energy somehow affect the shadow realm. Casual. Just something we can do. Yeah, it's weird because every narrative in the universe says what humans are. The unique thing. Even look at Star Trek. It's like, why is the rest of the universe bending to the will of the Federation? Well, there's something about humans, it's just not.

Cristina: It's not just humans because it is animals too. It's biology.

Jack: Biology. Well now that wasn't their only focus though. Although it falls in line with the focus of the sun gods and the focus of the sea people, which is to make life. The sea people are being helped by the energies of the sun gods. And these people are out here doing their own thing. But they do eventually leave the need to make that life because of their secondary focus becoming their primary focus. Their secondary focuses. And this will explain where what they were doing when we stumbled upon them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Their secondary focus was storing large sums of data. A large portion of the research and experiments performed were entirely focused on storing great sums of data. Huge, huge sums. And it'll make way more sense as we talk about the three codexes. The Paris Codex as it is known right now, is a document which contains a day by day journal of research reports written by Itzama. This is found and it's called the Paris Codex because some French people found it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's in Paris. Right now, the only surviving part of the much larger Parisianus. Which is a collection containing the research of all the earth gods. Somewhere on earth there is a collection of of a day to day report by this team of researchers.

Cristina: Why is that important though?

Jack: It's their data. It's their research.

Cristina: But this is their main thing.

Jack: It's their research. The research focused primarily on the storage of immense amounts of information and data. Which is what was in the Codex. The second codex is called the Dresden Codex as it is known today. It is a document which is an exact replica of scientific research performed by scientists on the other side of Kaf.

Cristina: What?

Jack: It was given by a scientist they often worked with named Tohil. Which translates in Egyptian. Sarah.

Cristina: No way. What? Why?

Jack: And this team of researchers from the other side of the rift.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: This Dresden Codex contained energy storage capabilities to be implemented in assistance with storing immense amounts of data. The more data you're trying to store, the more energy you need to store it.

Cristina: Are they making a supercomputer? Is that part of the pyramid somehow too?

Jack: In Egypt it includes ways to optimize energy acquisition and the most efficient ways of storing them.

Cristina: One. Nine. I like that. Is there another one? You said there's three.

Jack: There's three.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The last one is called the Madrid Codex as it is known today. A document which contains an exact replica of scientific research profound by scientists. Get ready for this. Because I don't know who the f***. Performed by scientists in the underworld. What?

Cristina: What?

Jack: The Mudrid Codex is an exact replica of scientific research performed by scientists in the underworld.

Cristina: What were they doing?

Jack: I can tell you what it is. I can't tell you who it was. The data focuses primarily on building extensive comprehensive portals. The portals are meant to bridge gaps between large distances within singular realms. And bridge across from one realm to another.

Cristina: Why is this so important? What is happening? Everything is connected. But it doesn't make a picture. It just makes everything obviously related.

Jack: Yes. Everything is obviously working together. For what?

Cristina: For what? That is still the big question. Like no matter how much we circle.

Jack: No matter what we're always circling.

Cristina: Yes. What? So close and yet so far. I don't understand.

Jack: I don't understand either.

Cristina: How are they all so important?

Jack: And what? What research team from the Underworld? What research team?

Cristina: The Egyptians have a research team in Underworld. No, they don't have one of them.

Jack: Autumn came from the underworld. But he was part of the Sun Gods. And they said that the Dresden Codex is the one with the replica from the other side of Koph. Which means that's data from the sea people and data from the Egyptians. But he specifically says that it came from Toho, which is Ra, which means.

Cristina: I thought Ra was also doing stuff in the shadow realm.

Jack: No, they are doing their research in Earthrealm. That's what the sun gods are. There is a portal so that the people who live in the shadow realm can go back and forward, but their research is done over here. And also, why would the Mayan know that they're going. And why would they refer to them as two different groups of people? Why would that make sense? Why wouldn't he just be like, oh, no, the people from the other side of Kaath have research in both the underworld and in the Overworld. No. So you're saying that the Maya are referring to the same group of people in two different contexts.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Because if Ra gave him one and you're saying, well, Ra gave him the other, then why didn't he just say Ra gave me the two codexes? That doesn't make any sense. He's just saying, oh, Ra gave me one, but also the underworld people who are also Ra gave me the other one. I guess it doesn't make any sense. Is that what you're getting at? Like, oh, well, they. They were also working over there. Why wouldn't they just say it's the same people then?

Cristina: Because maybe they were also working with them over there. So he didn't feel like mentioning it? I don't know.

Jack: Then he wouldn't specify where they're from. He would just say that he got it from Tohill twice. Okay, we just say he got it from Tohel, the Dresden one, and he got the Madrid one from Tohel.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: And then specifying where they came from, it doesn't matter.

Cristina: I feel like where I'm at, where it's from matters way more than who gave him the things.

Jack: Why? Because the people, where they are doesn't. What? The people doing the research are the ones who matter. You're saying that he goes into the shadow realm, suddenly these people have no memory and they just got new personalities. And their research is totally different as a result. No, of course the mind is the same. If. If Ra goes to the shadow realm and researches over, it's still raw in the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yes, but the research is different.

Jack: Even if the research was different, the same guy gave it to you. You just omitting that. Oh, he definitely gonna point out he gave me this one, but I'm not gonna bother mentioning gave me that one. I'm gonna talk about it like it's a different person. Like it's a different group of people.

Cristina: But he doesn't mention anything.

Jack: Yeah, he says researchers from the underworld.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Just completely. Oh no. Ra gave me this one, but yeah, Ra gave me that one. We're just gonna be ambiguous about it. Okay, that doesn't make any sense. And the research is absolutely different. Not only that, Ra himself was given the technology of portals and ship by the sea people. He didn't make it up. So that doesn't check out anyways. That's directly conflicting with what we know factually.

Cristina: So was the sea people in the shadow realm?

Jack: No, because they would have just said sea people, which they also mention. That's where they got the data. That's how we know this is a different group of people. They've mentioned everyone else.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's how we know this is a different group of people. Because they mentioned the sea people directly and they mentioned the sun gods directly through Ra. Okay, so there is another group of people who gave them portal technology.

Cristina: I don't understand.

Jack: Interesting enough. Are those the people who gave the sea people portal technology and then the sea people gave that technology to the Egyptians? As far as we knew, the sea people invented these technologies. But now we have a group of people who aren't the sea people doing.

Cristina: This Shadow realm people that we know.

Jack: Some shadow realm people.

Cristina: I don't understand this picture. If he's also Jesus and the portals, although maybe that's unrelated, I don't know. But he got that technology from the shadow realm as well.

Jack: That happens later anyways.

Cristina: Yes, but the shadow realm has this technology.

Jack: Or somebody's working on it.

Cristina: But it's starting in the shadow realm.

Jack: We don't know if it's starting in the shadow realm because one, humans can just cause crosses across the bridge. And two, the sea people have some sort of equivalent.

Cristina: Yes, but they didn't make it. Or we don't know if we don't know.

Jack: We have no idea.

Cristina: We don't know where. We know humans have like a natural one, but the man made ones are those sea people or shadow people technology. We don't know.

Jack: Well, we know Mount Kaaf goes to the shadow realm, but we don't. And it's said by many Persian civilizations to be a focal point. But we also know that the Viking had focal points that allowed them to cross and communicate as well through the shadow realm.

Cristina: But now it feels like it's a shadow realm technology sort of thing.

Jack: Well, I don't know, because The Sea People can also build portals across where they're reaching Mount Athos and going to the Atlantic Ocean. Back and forth easily.

Cristina: But those could have been somehow gifts from the Shadow.

Jack: It could have been 100%. Could have totally been. But we don't know.

Cristina: We don't know.

Jack: We have no reference point.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: When we make assumptions, we need some form of information. There's nothing for us to assume here. It just feels like as far as we know right now, maybe two groups of people. We know two groups of people have teleportation technology. One group of people gives it to the Mayan, and the Sea People gives it to the Egyptian.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Interesting, right?

Cristina: Yeah. Does it mean okay, But.

Jack: But there is this next piece of information. This doesn't tell us where they got it, but this does bring in the Sea People. And this is the last detail. With assistance from the Sea People and a researcher named Jacobs, a portal to Kaath and the underworld was successfully established and maintained, opened at all times atop Mount Cerro Quimondo, which is a mountain in Guatemala.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We don't know if the codex came before or after. The Madrid Codex that contains the teleportation technology provided by scientists from the underworld. We don't know if that came before or after. We know that after the portals that they themselves came up with, which could only work twice a year for a single day.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We know. After that point, two events took place. The Sea People built a portal atop one of their mountains that sustains a connection to the underworld on Mount Ka. The same way that Mount Kaaf does.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we know that some underworld scientists, some Shadow Realm scientists, gave them all their data relative to making portals that traverse large distances within one realm and cross between realms. So the same information twice, and we don't know which one came first.

Cristina: No. Or why it's important. Or how. Like why it's important. It's important to establish communication.

Jack: I think. I think at this point, portals are to establish communication between design. It's telephones.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's computers. It's our way to get over there and share our data.

Cristina: But is that the main goal as well? Like, is it having someone that can travel between the portals?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Not just the portals, but the science is really what they're trying to build too.

Jack: I have no idea. We know immense energy data storage and 2 instances of creatures that can willingly cross the threshold of realms.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But neither can enter Alfame.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So Alfame seems like a huge barrier. There's a huge difficulty getting there. If that's the goal and so it.

Cristina: Is to like go where the sea people are. I guess.

Jack: Yes. So yes. Interesting fact about that. Maybe the sea people are traitors from Alfame.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Maybe the sea people are just some people who are like f*** Alfame. We're going to make our s*** overpowered. But then why can't they get back? They should be able to just enter. No, it can't be.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No, can't be. They should be able to just get in.

Cristina: I don't think. Yeah, yeah. I don't think they're else. Huh?

Jack: I don't know what the goal is. I don't know what the goal is. But now we know how the Mayans were communicating with the Egyptians and why they share data.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or how they share data. We don't know why anybody's doing anything. We know how they're doing a bunch.

Cristina: Of yes, we know what they're doing. We know the what Idea why.

Jack: We have no idea why. We have so many. What's answered yes. No wise. We have no eyes.

Cristina: Too rad. It's so weird if it's just all random sign stuff. But like come on.

Jack: Could be there. They could just be curious scientists.

Cristina: There's got to be something related. Something.

Jack: There has to be. There has to be. Specifically because of the giant move that the sea people did. Specifically because of the mass amounts of energies that they need. Come on. That's not random.

Cristina: That's definitely not random.

Jack: Purposeful knowing. You need. F***. Tons of storage room for data. What? Which tells us what they're doing. They froze themselves or they connect themselves into something that allows them to protect and manage this data. That seems to be the case. The same. If we apply the same logic that the Egyptians did where they teleported themselves to go manage energy facilities.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If we apply that same logic to the Mayans, then they are just managing the data. They're focusing on the other thing. Because the sea people seem to be the best at the life part. The making the life part.

Cristina: How is that important?

Jack: I don't know how that's important. And whatever the h*** is in the Shadow Realm. Just like always, the hardest thing in the world is getting data on Elfame and getting data on the Shadow Realm. All we have are the people come through and tell us mm. And Abraxas left and he just disappears. That's it. We just. As soon as something goes into the Shadow realm, we lost it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And as soon as it comes out we can just get what they tell us about the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: We don't know anything.

Jack: But we know that they've mentioned that there's a research group from the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Can we find that research group?

Jack: How do we find the research group?

Cristina: Because they have to come out eventually.

Jack: Who says? Why would they need to come out?

Cristina: I don't know. To give us that thing. That's about what.

Jack: They were Shadow Realm creatures over here who could just go retrieve it. There's no reason for them to come out.

Cristina: Yeah. They don't take humans over there. Human scientists or. If they don't know.

Jack: The problem is we don't know. We can't make assumptions on things we don't know. Yeah, that is the issue. We have no f****** clue. If Earth Realm creatures were consistently making trips to the Shadow Realm. We have no idea for what. No clue. What were they doing over there? No clue. And thanks to the Mayans, now we have the division that there are a bare minimum of four groups, at least four groups working together. The Sea people, the Egyptians, the Mayan and the Shadow Realm research group.

Cristina: You're talking about the serpents.

Jack: They're part of the three. They're part of the groups. They're not an individual group of their own.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, like the Sun Gods have their own group. The sea people have their own group. Like they all have a serpent in the group.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Who actually.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Here's the most interesting detail about all this similarity across all the things. Two unnamed serpents. One of them is with the Sea people and the other one is with Ixchel. Unnamed serpents. The one with Ixchell seems to just be a serpent. No feathers are mentioned. The one with the Sea people also just seems to be a serpent. No feathers connected to it either. Or at least that we know of.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just similarities.

Cristina: I noticed it might have legs.

Jack: Might have legs. But is it that there are different calibers of the Naga? Or maybe they just look different and is an irrelevant detail.

Cristina: Yeah, I think that's. It's all right. They're. They're random. Yeah.

Jack: Could 100 be. Some of them. They got different colors. We know that much. But feathers show up a lot. But I guess it's. It doesn't necessarily have to mean they all have feathers.

Cristina: Yeah. Or wings seem more human. Like even though they're snakes.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes. Some of them just have. What? Yeah, exactly. No, you're totally right. You're totally right.

Cristina: Yeah, a lot of them are snakes. We don't know. Are we assuming the one in the garden is an actual snake doll?

Jack: No, no. That was a functional thinking part of the team.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And yeah, I guess they're totally different because the world snake is some whole other s***. Yes, that's some big m***********. So, yeah, fair enough. They're all different. Different sizes, different magnitudes. Four teams. The Sun Gods, Earth Gods, the Earth Gods, the Sea People, the Shadow Team, and wherever Abraxas left that we have dubbed the Moon Gods until further notice. And we don't know what they are doing. They have been labeled the bad guys according to the Christian Bible, which would suggest they never worked with the other four teams.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They aren't the shadow people who provided the portal technology. That's a different group of people. Abraxas is working with somebody else doing something else. So this is what we got.

Cristina: I will never know. Or maybe we don't know. Who knows?

Jack: This is what we've got. We just keep circling. Whatever the case might be, we know something like, Jesus seems to be the point. And it requires a lot of data and a lot of energy.

Cristina: Is he the point? We don't know.

Jack: If doing it biologically fails and they can't figure it out, maybe bridging a portal across would be the goal. But then that would require a lot of energy.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And it would require so much math that maybe you need a f*** ton of storage. Who knows? Also, if we consider how complicated a living sentient being's genome would be, that also would require immense amounts of data.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Although I don't think it would require as much energy. Then again, if you're trying to create something and infuse literal alpha magic into it, or at least replicate it, maybe that would take immense amounts of energy.

Cristina: Maybe that.

Jack: Yeah, I don't know. And I wonder. The idea is how do we. The same way we pieced the sea people together with crap from everywhere else. Because there's no direct like, oh, we're doing this. No, it's like little bits here, a little bit there, a little bits over there. And together we built what the sea people really are. Can we do that for whatever the h*** this team is in the Shadow Realm? Is there enough? Because there's mentioned once they provided the Madrid Codex. They were mentioned. So if I look hard enough, we got two important details that I just need to cross reference. Which are we know they would have a Naga.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we know they gave us portals. Okay, who deals with portals and the Naga and is from the Shadow Realm. If I can look at this through any culture, any religion, any science, any philosophy that discusses this, perhaps I can zero in and find Mentions of whoever these people are.

Cristina: Ah, yes. I wonder if they're going to be as random as what we've already talked about. The sun gods, moon gods, earth gods. Are they going to be some other name to these people that have probably communicated with them?

Jack: Yeah. And I suppose because they seem to all be leaders of immense civilizations, including Autumn, that completely left his civilization. So my guess would be that these individuals are probably Jinn. Probably the leaders of their civilization. And yeah, I'm sure their people have dubbed their research team something. Hopefully they're not. But also, we have no idea how.

Cristina: We don't know. Yeah.

Jack: It could just be like, no, they're just people.

Cristina: We'll find out.

Jack: If not, we'll give them a name.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But hopefully there's something cool like that. The earth gods and the sun gods people, you know, they were pretty cool.

Cristina: Pretty cool.

Jack: Pretty cool. The sea people are kind of lame.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But people didn't know what to call them. They were too cryptic. They just knew all the sea gods. They could have called them the sea gods, but the problem is they were being referred to by people that other people called gods. Do you get my point?

Cristina: No.

Jack: Like the people that the Greek called gods. The Greek gods are the ones that were referring to the. The Norse gods were the ones referring to the sea people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, it was God, because if talking about. If people were talking about them, they would have said, but there are no people talking to the sea people. They had no people. They were all equal. All the sea people were equal. The closest they had were the Persians. And again, they alienated the Persians.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They're Persians themselves. But the Persian war wasn't their civilization. Everybody in the Persian Gulf oasis at the palace of Alcaraz was equal. Even if there was a scientific group, they weren't more powerful. They were just other sea people. They weren't this other species or more advanced species. No, it was the technology of the sea people. So nobody was calling them anything. They were just people.

Cristina: We'll call them the sea gods, I guess. Or the ocean gods. Sea sounds better.

Jack: Sea sounds better because sea would keep it more vague. Ocean says definitely ocean, but they were at a sea or not even at a sea. It was like a giant lake or a pond or like it wasn't an ocean. And then they went to an ocean. Like they were in different bodies of water. I think sea people works.

Cristina: Water gods.

Jack: Water gods, I guess. Yeah, but we already know them as the sea peoples. It doesn't matter. Yeah, but that's where we are that's what we have. I still don't know any of the whys. We have no whys.

Cristina: Someone give us a why.

Jack: But we have so many what's.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Yeah, 100%. Look, if you guys, if you got any freaking theory, anything. Why is anything happening? We don't care what we know what. I'm great at finding the what, but nobody's talking about a freaking why. Give us theories. Also, who the h*** are these people from the shadow realm? Give us some clues on that. If you got ideas, hit us up on our socials. Tick tock, Instagram, Facebook, Xcombo Pot.

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Jack: Show and word of mouth. If you know anybody who's into any of this crap, anybody who knows anything relative to any any of this crap, please send them our way. Show them all these episodes. Maybe they can piece something together that we have not.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. S.A. good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

August 19, 2023

Rambling 239: The Sun Gods

August 19, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

How many civilizations did Oros send the Naga to? Do they all connect to the greater Sea People and Elfame narrative that is being uncovered? And what could the Naga lead us to about these individual civilizations? The duo trace Oros and the Naga children to two leaders that form one research team known to have directly interacted with the Sea People. The information perhaps provides enlightening perspectives into the other Realms and the intention of the Advanced Civilizations of the past.

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Ancient Egypt Egypt
Wadjet
Naga
The Eye of Ra
The Sea People
Shadow Science
Atem
Jinn
Ophiomorphos
The Serpent of Light
The Sun Gods
Abraxas

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And lately we've going down the rabbit hole, the infinite rabbit hole, and it's more infinite. And I think now we've had a lot of recaps and whatever, and so I'm not doing that. Not in detail right now. I'm basically just going to go over our discovery of the Elfame creature named Oros and his purpose real quick. Because we.

Cristina: That's the fairy snake, I guess.

Jack: Yes. Okay, yes, fairy is incorrect. We should just start using creatures from Elfame as. Because, I mean, I guess we could call them fairies, but the problem is that's gonna create the connotation of, like, fairies as opposed to just magical creature. And magic is just another thing. It's not magic in the way we think of magic.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Except for Mab, which is arguably the closest thing to an actual God we have seen so far. And for all we know, this could just be like, if we think of the Kardashev scale, like maybe four or five years ago, we made an episode explaining how the Kardashev scale works. And it's basically the different scales of advanced civilizations. We're almost at one and there's like.

Cristina: What, five or something.

Jack: It keeps going up to our capacity. We can get to people who control entire solar system, people who control, I guess, star systems, people who control entire galaxies, people who control clusters of galaxies, people who control universes. And it's possible that Mab is a universal scale intelligent life form that might be one of many. And maybe she is just part of her civilization. And we think of like, she made all of this because it's easy to make this, but there's something significantly more advanced. She's just some bottom feeder we don't know.

Cristina: Whoa. Okay.

Jack: But keeping that in mind, the narrative goes as follows. As far as we know, Mab, this God tier, this actual God tier, that by comparison to anything we understand, is omniscient in every sense of the word, makes two important things. Elves to supervise the capacity of future civilizations, although they do not get dispersed until there is a worry which happens a hundred years before Christ. So they've been around for infinities, but they only get sent to put a cap on power about a hundred years before Christ. And then we have Oros the serpent. This Other thing, that guardian. Yeah, that Mab gives astounding abilities as well. Primarily the ability to make other snake, serpent. Things that are called the Naga. And the Naga, as Mabs has directed Oros, are to assist the intelligent civilizations that are advanced to assist them in whatever way is necessary for the respective civilizations. So help them get more powerful and make sure they don't get more powerful than us. Are the two systems that Map creates.

Cristina: Yeah, it's very interesting.

Jack: It's balance, optimal balance. We need you to make sure that they can continue to develop and we need you over here to make sure. But they don't surpass us. So control the rate with these two things, a cap and an assistance. Now, Oros goes out of his way and he decides, I'm gonna make the Naga, which are his children, essentially. We call them children, but that's just deity speak. Assuming he's not literally just a serpent. I mean, he could literally be a serpent creature, but that he's using whatever technology exists from Elfame to create these other things that are going to go assist. Yeah, they could be their versions of Camaras or androids or whatever the case might be. He makes this thing that we call the Naga and they go out to assist the individual civilizations. We know this to be true. We found this in two different texts. That's very interesting. And so we dive in a couple of texts and we find, you know, there's Echidna, the mother of a. Again, Godspeed the mother. But it's probably just another scientist who created Medusa and things of that nature. We have the serpent from the Bible that works in the garden.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We. So there's examples of these things. And in the latest episodes, we've been investigating the advanced civilizations. We have what their reasoning for doing what they've done is.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But we seem to have been reaching a cap. Like the resolution has been completed. We get that. The idea seems to be, in theory, to get to Elfhame, to get more powerful than. And get to Elfhame. Jesus is an example of an individual who only exists with the intention to get to Elfhame, as well as Joseph the golem created by the Jews, which is again, an individual made with presumably the intention to get to Alphane.

Cristina: Yes. Well, yeah, I mean, we don't really, really know.

Jack: We don't really, really know.

Cristina: Well, we know that they can pretty much teleport wherever.

Jack: Yes. Both of these individuals have the ability to cross two realms out of the three, and they're still working towards something.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And magic seems to be woven into the creation of both of these individuals. So I had a simple logic to then proceed with this. We know the Naga exist. We know that they are created by Oros, which means there must be more. More Naga.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: And the logic is very simple. If we follow the Naga, we land at the most advanced civilizations and then we can see what it is that why are they so advanced? What it is they're trying to accomplish with their advancements.

Cristina: Is it all gonna lead back to the fairy world or. We don't know, I guess.

Jack: Well, the idea would be to investigate that same thing, I suppose, to try to find out, like I just said, what their goal is. If we knew, then there'd be no point in looking. But the idea would be to find out what it is that they're trying to accomplish. Because there are civilizations that are highly advanced. More than just the ones we've gone through, we've been following the same thread. So we have only gone through some of them. But they, the Naga are definitely spread out in different areas. So two things I want to discuss. One of them is very short and small. It reminds me of the time that we had to go through Luciferianism to find information that was.

Cristina: Man, could it be anything like that? Man, that was so crazy?

Jack: No, but it opened a lot of doors.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay, I landed at this story just trying to prove and confirm that, yes, there are Naga in locations that we have not tried to look before. So following the Naga and following Oros, trying to find mention of Oros or the Naga, I am led to the Australians, the Indigenous Australians, AKA the Aborigines, people, natives to Australia before the white man came and f***** them out of their land. Now, important details that weren't disclosed before. Although the cap to power was dispersed a hundred years before Christ, the children of Oros had gone out about 3 million years ago, way before the cap. Way before the cap. To the point that it makes absolute.

Cristina: Sense of why there is one.

Jack: Of why there's what?

Cristina: As to why there are caps in the first place. Like they did something before she decided, okay, now we got to send out these fairies.

Jack: No, like, it's clear that they've assisted simply because we have places like the sea people who were 2.5 million years ago. So they definitely got assistance. Although I doubt that the serpents are the reason for needing a cap in the first place. Because there's many places that have caps that there's many places that didn't even need a cap. They only have them because, you know, or not Even my bad. There's places that have serpents but don't need caps because they're advanced, but not sufficiently advanced to be problematic. Okay, so the serpents have nothing to do. Again, the serpents serve whatever is already being done. Yeah, they don't add anything additional. They help. They're not providers, they are helpers. So the existence of the Naga in no way means that they're the reason that a cap was required. The capabilities of the civilization are why the caps were necessary. Because why are there civilizations like the Greek that didn't necessarily need the cap? The fairies are just literally living alongside them, not interfering in any manner, shape or form, because there's no reason you guys aren't powerful enough to be a threat. But then things like the sea people are a f****** issue.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So again, the serpents don't really matter. The serpents are going to do whatever the civilization requires. Okay, until we get to Australia though. So as the Naga were dispersed 3 million years ago, they were to go to somehow Mab and Oros had knowledge of who would be becoming advanced. And so these serpents went to those locations to assist. Now they weren't all dispersed in one shot. They were slowly dispersed to where the intelligence was starting to build and where the technology began to develop. And then we get a serpent named Khadura and Khadura is assisting some civilization that's developing. And Khajura decides, f*** this, I'm not assisting some developed place. Khadra abandons post and ventures out of sight, popping up 60,000 years before Christ in Australia, where this serpent comes across natives. And the intellect of this serpent, who was helping formerly advanced civilizations that it abandoned, allowed it to understand at a higher capacity the workings of how humans function and positioned itself as the God of these people in order to be worshipped and brought up.

Cristina: Did he bring them up as well?

Jack: They were relative, not really. They were moving at their own pace. And this was not the serpent. Naga was not, not creating an assistance necessarily as much as positioning itself as God. So basically this is the rogue Naga that decided to abandon its assignment. They refer to it as the rainbow serpent. And because this was a particularly interesting looking Naga, it was rainbow colored, it liked water a lot, it hung out in ponds and s***.

Cristina: And it was just a giant snake or something.

Jack: Yeah, this is a shape shifting Naga. I could change its size. And so the Australian Aborigines people thought of this as their God 65,000 years ago. And yeah, so this Kajora tells them as they're completely ignorant and it has access to highly advanced technologies, magic and whatever else.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That it created the universe, it created everything. And it made them as the chosen people. And that as long as they maintain its happiness, it will watch over them forever.

Cristina: Sounds very familiar.

Jack: Yeah. And yeah, I just thought that was incredibly interesting.

Cristina: Wow, that's such a God thing. Or just, you know, like if you find someone less than you, like always. They all did it. They all did it. All those wannabe gods that are God. I mean, they're still seen as gods, so I guess, but they're not really.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like the snake, he's equal to those people, those wannabe gods.

Jack: Yeah. He abandoned post and did what they all do.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Decided to.

Cristina: Was he making them have sacrifices? So for him.

Jack: I do not know. There's so little on these people.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So, yeah, it's very vague. The mention of the rainbow serpent, which is just Kajura.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Khajura is actually mentioned in other texts as the Naga that abandoned post like someone else. Yeah. So basically the same description of a rainbow prism snake.

Cristina: Where was he hanging out?

Jack: Other areas. He's mentioned in a bunch of different areas, nowhere specific. He's mentioned by the Egyptians. He's mentioned by the same suspects, you know, the people who have the most information. They all mentioned.

Cristina: Okay. But we can't tell which one he was, which civilization he was originally watching over.

Jack: No, he abandoned them and who knows what happened. Presumably they got replaced by. He got. The post was replaced. Yeah, but yeah, so Khajura was mentioned by the Greek, was mentioned by the Egyptians, was mentioned by the Persians. They just speak of their respective Naga. Speak of the one who abandoned post. He's a legendary f****** snake that went out and decided I'm God.

Cristina: That's so crazy interesting.

Jack: But what the story did was confirm the theory that there are more that aren't connected to the thread. They're insignificant instances that don't move forward the larger picture we're trying to solve. It's just instances that relate but don't assist with the information. So I was like, okay, there must be. And so I stumble upon this story that confirms, yes, there is in fact other individuals that don't fit the bigger narrative. So we wouldn't stumble upon them at random. We'd have to look for them specifically.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so I go all the way back, go to Ouros and then start following any and every thread I can outwards from Ourros and seeing where it goes.

Cristina: What else did you find?

Jack: Well, I will get to that from Oros we know that they have. That he has, or she has, whatever the h*** might be the case has made the Naga and that the Naga are sent to protect or assist advanced or developing civilizations. Now we know of particularly advanced civilizations, the three at the very top of every single interaction that we find. And then the subsequent ones are the Sea People. The very top. And we know that the serpent from the Garden is with the Sea People. That's Catholicism, Christianity as a whole. Judaism. Well, yeah, merging with the Sea People, I guess. Christianity merging with the Sea People, that's one thing. That serpent from the Bible is the Sea People, one giant advanced civilization. We have the Egyptians, we have the Mayans, and then we have lesser civilizations like the Greek that are also highly advanced, but nowhere near the capacity of these other individuals because they want it to be individualistic and as a result didn't have access to the same things. But we at no point, through deep diving, following the Sea People in which we know of their serpent. Yeah, Got mention of anything from the Mayans or the Egyptian. But if you cross reference Oros and the Egyptians or the Mayans, you get something interesting. And I did so opening the weirdest can of worms. And so we begin with the Egyptians.

Cristina: What are they up to?

Jack: Okay, the Egyptians and Oros lead me to a name called Wadjet. Wadjet is a female Naga, the appearance of a winged cobra. Very similar to the serpent from the garden, except legs versus wings, but just a normal snake looking individual. Nothing extremely exaggerated like the world snake, which is a whole other m***********.

Cristina: Yeah, huge thing.

Jack: Yeah. Vikings had an interesting one, by the way. That's another highly advanced civilization, the Norse Vikings.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so Wedjet, the female Naga, a winged cobra, is from the Egyptians. We know that they must have one if they are also highly advanced individuals. So we follow Wadjet and it takes us to an individual named Ra.

Cristina: Ra.

Jack: Ra. Now, Wadjet is often referred to as the Eye of Ra.

Cristina: She was helping him out. Yes, but he's an Egyptian though.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And she was to assist with all his scientific endeavors and was in charge of subduing the enemies of Ra. Now this is what I found through texts.

Cristina: This is what we were thinking that all these snakes are pretty much doing.

Jack: Yes. And it checks out. I find proof that, yes, her job is to assist with any scientific endeavor and to subdue any of his enemies. This is literal word for word. Now who the h*** is Ra? Ra is the leader of the advanced Egyptian people of the time, most likely a physicist and an established nuclear Fusion engineer.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Here's a twist. He worked directly with the Sea People.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Ra was responsible for assisting in the design of the energy storage designs that we find in.

Cristina: In the pyramids. Oh my gosh. I was thinking he was related somehow, but okay.

Jack: He's responsible for assisting in designing teleportation mechanisms found in Giza. Now keep in mind, these texts word it in such a way where he had the ability to power things, they view him. Everybody who is a scientist at those times by people who are lesser, are seen as gods. Keep that in mind. So he is seen as the guy who brings power to all. He is seen as the guy with the capacity to move himself instantaneously and move others instantaneously. But he is the one who bestows it. So it's energy and it's teleportation technology.

Cristina: He's using the pyramids for that stuff?

Jack: He is the guy who designed it. And Ra was solely in charge of overseeing the energy of facilities that powered Egypt. So he wasn't just the leader of that advanced group of Egyptians that oversaw the normal, smaller, normal Egyptians, but he was in charge of the facilities that created power for them. And he was the designer of a lot of those technologies with the help.

Cristina: Of the Snake Lady.

Jack: When Ra became too old to continue his duties of overseeing the Egyptian power management, he enlisted his best friend Horace, a meteorologist, which would take over the duties and assist now with the help of Watcha. So Wadjat moved as soon as. Okay, I can't do this anymore. I need you to keep moving all my work forward. Wadjet then changed who she assists to, it being Horus. Now we take a step backwards into the same Egyptian culture. Because now we have a couple of details. Adam. Adam is a creature from. From the Shadow Realm. Had advanced knowledge of Shadow Realm technology, had advanced knowledge of Shadow Realm sciences, established a successful scientifically advanced civilization in the Shadow Realm, and then abandoned that civilization, feeling that limitations had been reached.

Cristina: So he joins them.

Jack: He was accompanied by a Naga named Ophiomorphos.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Which confirms a very important detail.

Cristina: What?

Jack: A Naga in the Shadow Realm?

Cristina: This is happening in the Shadow Realm? Or this is.

Jack: This is happening in the Shadow Realm? I just said it's a creature from the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: I know that.

Jack: But he's a creature from the Shadow. I will get to these things. I will get. Don't be desperate. All the questions will be answered. Autumn. A creature from the Shadow Realm with advanced technological and scientific knowledge establishes himself as a leader and creates highly advanced civilization within The Shadow Realm, later abandoning that civilization, feeling that it had reached its limits. And he was accompanied by a Naga named Ophiomorphos. So quickly. I'll dive into Ophiomorphos before we continue. Ophiomorphos, described as a beautiful snow white serpent, which makes absolute sense, considering the Shadow Realm is inherently dark and demented looking. So anything is. If it's not from there, will look brighter and more beautiful. So a snow white serpent, legged and winged with golden feathers. Its wings were beautiful and had golden feathers. Named by the Djinn, the Serpent of Light, originally serving a Shadow Realm leader named Yaldaboath. And Yaldaboath was a. A tyrannical warmonger who stole scientists and technologies from the Shadow Realm civilizations, slowly growing his knowledge and power. Eventually, Adam killed Yaldaboath and took over his empire. And Theomorphos, tasked with assisting this civilization, then became the direct assistant to the new leader, Adam.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: Crazy that this is actually within the lore and in writing.

Cristina: But then.

Jack: So Adam leaves the Shadow Realm and joins. Well, he leaves the Shadow Realm and enters Egypt, okay. Where he establishes he joins the ancient Egyptians, which are the highly advanced. And with help of genius earthrealm physicist Cross formed an advanced research team with two additional experts that then come from the Shadow Realm. Tefnut and Shu, and one additional earthrealm scientist, Capri and the Naga widget and the Naga Ophiomorphos.

Cristina: I'm very confused about Shadow people now. This changes everything.

Jack: Well, you got. What? What is there to not understand? There's horrible creatures over there, and then there's people who are essentially the humans of that realm, the Djinn. Okay, so what part of this is new information that you don't get?

Cristina: It's usually horrible.

Jack: When have we said the Jinn are horrible?

Cristina: The blood sucking and eating people and convincing people to sacrifice people so that they could come in here.

Jack: The generalization that you're making is disrespectful almost, considering we have many humans who just decide to murder and commit war, but there's just a bunch who just live normal lives. So why wouldn't that apply equally, just objectively, all the Djinn are f***** up.

Cristina: That's what it seemed like. I don't know.

Jack: So the argument would be that it'd be totally justified if the Djinn looked at humans and were like, they're all f***** up. Not one of them is good. That argument would hold up just as much. Then I guess that's what you're doing. Essentially, you're looking at the Djinn being like, there is no such thing as good over there. No, there's a bunch of dark s*** over there. They got monsters and crap, but it's just normal to them. One of them comes over here and encounters a grizzly bear. You think they're like, oh, no, that's just a peaceful. No, there's monsters over there in Earth Realm.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You see how it works? It's the same thing. We're usually discussing the things that cause bad things over here, because those are the only things we can recognize. Anything that doesn't cause bad goes unnoticed for the most part. And we've in the past discussed Djinn, and they're not necessarily bad. Some jinn are just wandering and it's fine. We've had. I think there's an episode just called Djinn or something like that where we just talk. No, it's actually the Shadow realm episode where we're talking about the people from the shadow realm and then the creatures from the shadow realm. They're not the same.

Cristina: Okay, I remember the people from the shadow realm, the Djinn. Okay, yeah.

Jack: Presumably Jehovah of Dark is a f***** up Djinn. He's one of the bad Djinn. But yeah. So these are a couple of the most advanced individuals from the Shadow realm and a couple of the most advanced individuals from earthrealm decide on earthrealm in Egypt to get together and start working on things. So far, so weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now the research team would be named by the Egyptians the Sun Gods. Together, they enlisted a number of other scientists. Amun, Kek, Kvirth, Abraxas, Thoth and Horus. Keep in mind we went backwards. So these are all scientists, part of the Sun God group.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They would proceed to make a series of important technological breakthroughs, and they began to work alongside the scientifically more advanced sea people.

Cristina: The Sea people. So the sea people and the shadow people are all hanging out with Egyptians?

Jack: The sea people were hanging out with the sun gods, which was a scientific collective of Egyptians and shadow realm people.

Cristina: Is that what I said?

Jack: You said that the sea people and the shadow realm people are hanging out with the Egyptians. That would assume that the. These are a group of sea people and shadow people together helping the Egyptians? No, it's a collective made up of individuals that we will label Egyptians that included shadow people as part of that group. The people who weren't part of that group were the sea people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The shadow people and the Egyptians were one group of people, and the sea people are a different group of people.

Cristina: Okay, yeah.

Jack: And so they began to work alongside the more advanced sea people and assisted by the sea people. Well, actually assisted the sea people in creating a technology named Adam.

Cristina: So they say Adam, Yes. What is their information on atom atem?

Jack: A t e m was the Shadowrum creature. And he came with a specific set of knowledge that allowed the Egyptians, along with the way significantly more advanced sea people to create a technology that they called Adam Adem Adam. Okay, so at e m name twisted Adam. So this name was almost in homage of Autumn the scientist, dude, Autumn the scientist. In honor of this creature from a different realm, we come up with the technology's name, Adam, which is explicitly titled as technology.

Cristina: And how do they describe this technology?

Jack: Well, that is unclear to some degree, but we know how it's described elsewhere, so we don't really need their description of it because we kind of already know what it is. We would just. That would be redundant information. Now Ra retires, as we know, as we established, because he gets very old. He is the leader of the Egyptians and Adam is the leader of the scientific group with assistance from Ra. Together they are equal. The the co owners, the co leaders of the Sun God's research team. But Ra is the leader of the Egyptians and thus the technologies that power his people and the teleportation technology and all that stuff. But Adam and Ra are partners, equals. They each have a Naga of their own. And they are co owners of the scientific research team. They design, make and use to work alongside the way more advanced c people to create powerful technologies. Now Ra retires and things kind of go a little haywire following the retirement of Ra. Abraxas, one of the scientists who wanted to be next in line to manage the power generation facilities and implement his personal ideas. He's an Egyptian, like Horus. He was angry that Horus is the one who got put in charge, was not happy about that. So Abraxas proceeds to steal copies of all the research the team had made. What Abraxas makes his way to Mount Kaath.

Cristina: No.

Jack: A location established by the sea people to give the Sun God's research team access to and from the shadow realm. Now we know what the purpose of this mountain really was. It was designed with the help of the sea people. The sea people came and was like, okay, we can help you guys get to and from effortlessly, so you guys have a way. So Mount Kaaf is designed so that this team composed of Shadow realm individuals and Egyptians can move to and from the shadow realm easily. So even before having contact with the Shadow Realm people. These sea people are so savage at what they're doing. They could just. Here's a connection. It's cool.

Cristina: That's crazy. Okay.

Jack: The level of advancement they have is so astounding.

Cristina: Yeah. But what that is.

Jack: So Abraxas proceeds to steal about half of all the data copies of it. And he goes and makes his way to Mount Ka. And he goes to the Shadow Realm where he is no longer heard of.

Cristina: Okay. And this data is the atom.

Jack: All their research. So much of their research. But yes, Adam is one of the bits of research. And he escapes to the Shadow Realm with the research and isn't heard of again.

Cristina: Yes. Until we get to Jesus and other Jesus. I forgot his name. Joseph.

Jack: Then we have the era of the Knights Templar. And in the era of the Knights Templar, after the sea people moved away from the palace of Alcaraz and left the Persian Gulf oasis, after the Knights Templar were established by the Magi, after Mount Kala off was vanished from being accessed, the Knights Templar labeled Abraxas a traitor within all scientific circles and rewrote Abraxas in the Bible and the Torah as an evil demon.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: So we can actually cross reference Abraxas in both Egyptian lore as one of the great minds and in the Bible and the Torah as a demon.

Cristina: Of course. Wow. Wow. They have him in the Bible. Do they have any other mentions of any Egyptian scientists?

Jack: Perhaps. But now let's unpack a lot of this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This is the information we have found. This is what we have now. It's unpacking time. We now know what Mount Kaf is. I don't think the mountain was just naturally the way it is. It was made.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it was made in collaboration. It was almost like the Statue of Liberty.

Cristina: It's a gift from the sea people.

Jack: From the sea people. We work closely together. We share a lot of things. And you guys are an algamation of friends from elsewhere and friends from here. And so we want you to have a way back home whenever you need. Which presumes that Adam still had access to his people consistently. Maybe he had some right hand that managed the people, but he had access to return to the Shadow Realm at will. Which means he was probably still in charge of his own people.

Cristina: Yeah. That's pretty cool.

Jack: And it also confirms that there is a highly advanced civilization factually over there that is not related to the Jehovah of Dark.

Cristina: There's no way of getting those stories. What? That's pretty interesting.

Jack: Not yet. Not that we Know of.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But we have this much that involves individuals from the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Yeah. Wow.

Jack: So who knows what to what capacity we might be able to unravel some of this information. Following these threads.

Cristina: Pretty crazy.

Jack: You're gonna say something?

Cristina: No.

Jack: Okay. It's also fascinating that. Yes, the Naga are everywhere. All civilizations have them. And this is an interesting situation in which we have a creature from the Shadow Realm with his own Naga and a creature from Earth Realm, an individual from earthrealm who with Zone Naga. And they create a scientific group. So there's actually two Naga in this overpowered research team.

Cristina: Which are the two?

Jack: There's the girl, it's Wadjet, the female, and Ophiomorphos, the snow white golden winged serpent.

Cristina: Okay. I thought they were the same. Which one's which again? One is with.

Jack: One is with Adam. That's Ophiomorphous.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's the Shadow Realm serpent. They came from the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The people of the Shadow Realm considered it the most beautiful, vibrant thing they had ever seen. Because a lot of the Djinn from over there have never been to Earth Realm. Although fear and things can allow them to come through. Because of how the physics between our realms work, a lot of them just don't bother. And so they have no concept of what things over here might be like. And so this is the most beautiful, vibrant, colorful thing they have ever seen. And then there's Wadjet, which is Ra's personal serpent.

Cristina: And he's an Egyptian.

Jack: He is an Egyptian.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: An ancient, highly advanced Egyptian scientist dude.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Responsible for creating teleportation technologies and highly advanced future fusion nuclear fusion technologies, which then bring into question what technology was being designed between the sun gods and the sea people that required there to be a teleportation device aiming out to the great void.

Cristina: Yeah. What does Adam have to do with anything?

Jack: Well, he's part of the group.

Cristina: No, the technology.

Jack: Oh, technology Adam. Well, yeah. Interesting. I don't think Adam has anything to do with the teleportation technology.

Cristina: You don't think the technology has that other technology?

Jack: I think they're unrelated.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Because we know that Adam is to create some sort of being with the capacity to enter the fairy world of Elfame. The fairy realm. I don't think that transportation technology that moves you through our own physical space is useful. Useful in any way to get you to Alfame. Because you need methods that are unrelated to our physics, while teleportation is just using our own rules. Nevertheless, it's such specifically our Rules of physics that it's using entanglement. So I doubt they're connected unless in some way unobvious way. Or there's something or someone in the Great Void. Which could be the case. Additionally, where did these Egyptians go? Those Egyptians and the Maya vanished. It's possible that what's in the Great Void are these guys. Are. These Egyptians are the sun God people that went over there. And that's why the Great Void even exists. It wasn't like that before. It's just them capturing all of these stars because they already have incredible energy production technology.

Cristina: Oh, they could be there.

Jack: They could be over there harnessing energy. And that's why it's a Great Void. They just got a bunch of Dyson spheres surrounding a absurd number of stars. And using that energy to further their research to power technologies that maybe make some rift they can cross to Elfame or something.

Cristina: Something.

Jack: If. If it's connected to the technology of Adam, then there is something there.

Cristina: Yes. If only we knew the truth of what it was all about. There's so much guesswork here. Like what could their actual goal be?

Jack: Whose?

Cristina: Any of them. The shadow people, the sea people. Like we don't really know what really they're really really after. We know Adam is involved. And who knows if the teleportation is involved. Jesus might be involved.

Jack: We know Jesus is involved. Jesus is designed by the creation of Adam and Eve.

Cristina: Well, what does anything. Like what's the end goal though? We know some goals. Yes, but. But not the true goal.

Jack: Well, as far as it seems we don't know exactly what the teleportation technology is. We can assume that the energy production technology was to power certain technologies. Like Adam and Eve.

Cristina: Okay, yes, that makes sense.

Jack: And like the Hedron Collider that uses an absurd amount of energy. Whatever the fruits are. Although the fruits themselves would be less technological mechanical and more they would seem less technology. So I guess they wouldn't need power the way we produce it. But in order to make a being that's part magic and genetic and all. So we probably used actual energy for that.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: As well as. How do you make Mount Kaath disappear? That's some sort of cloaking or teleportation technology. Just fling the whole mountain away. Where?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: How do you move an entire civilization from the palace of Alcaraz in the Persian Gulf oasis to the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean in Atlantis? Unless you have some sort of teleportation technology.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. So that is important.

Jack: And then you need something to power this immense Teleportation. So we know why they have crazy power and we know why they need teleportation. And that's all to protect the Adam and Eve technology that's in the garden and also contains the three fruits.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that's all one thing. Presumably. And then if we assume the energy could be moved in the same way, then the entire Great Void is an energy collection facility that then comes through the Giza pyramids, stored there and redirected.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Okay, that makes sense.

Jack: To wherever.

Cristina: Interesting. Because where is their tech? Okay. I mean, where's their power source?

Jack: Where's their power source?

Cristina: They're underwater. Interesting. Could be coming from the pyramids.

Jack: From the pyramids? Yes. The Great Void uses singularity. Not singularity entanglement. To send energy from these colossal Dyson sphere that collect millions of stars. That's an absurd amount of power. Millions of stars. Then that gets sent entangled to the pyramids that store them and redirect again using more teleportation. Straight to the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean.

Cristina: Yes, because that's crazy. Crazy amount of power that has to keep them protected and alive underwater. Like that's a lot of power.

Jack: They have to be invisible, undetectable, and unreachable at all times.

Cristina: That's ridiculous. Whoa.

Jack: And if you have many, many, many stars versus energy, then you have infinite energy. And it's easy.

Cristina: Yeah, because as far as we can tell, they're probably still pretty human. Like they need to eat, drink, poop. You know the basic. Yes, as far as we can tell. So like, whoa.

Jack: And not only that, we have something interesting with Ra, which is he was in charge of managing energy, but also the Egyptian gods, but the people known as the Sun Gods. That research team is gone. Where are they? Yes, are they still managing energy somewhere, except doing it for the bigger, badder, more powerful sea people directly now, before it was for his own people. Yeah, but more important matters, we have to abandon this place. They suddenly disappear and the technology level of Egypt just collapses overnight. And then we have to see the Egyptians start from a way more primitive level. This happens overnight. The Mayans literally just disappear with no f****** trace. So two groups of people just disappoint? Technologically advanced groups of people just vanish overnight. Fascinating. So where did they go? Why did they abandon. Yes, exactly. How to. We already knew that they had to go to space, most likely to the Great Void.

Cristina: But now we know why.

Jack: But now we know why. Yes, it's to continue gathering energy. F***. The little amounts of energy we're gathering.

Cristina: We have masters of these godlike beings that are half animals, half human looking things. Those are just example of shadow people.

Jack: Yeah, some of them are examples of shadow people. Others are trying to explain the individuals who were. Just keep in mind these were humans before what we consider humans now. These were people who were more advanced, more capable. And it was people trying to explain what it is they were seeing. Like, oh, this guy could just pop up here and pop up over there. He must be some sort of God.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's like, nah, it's just technology. But you're so primitive, it looks like powers and magic to you.

Cristina: And their hieroglyphs of like spaceships, etc is probably related to real tech. Yes, people's tech. Okay.

Jack: We're seeing all the same things present themselves over and over and over. So if we were to connect all the dots together, then yes. The energy managing Ra and his collective of scientifically advanced individuals use Mount Kaf to traverse back and forth, forth. One of them abandons them and steals a bunch of data. Now that's dangerous. So we completely removed the passageway that they were using. And the understanding of Adam and the other shadow people, they're like, okay, we'll stay on this side. Screw that over there anyways. And then they decide, we need to help you guys protect the immense amount of scientific advancement and knowledge that we have. So they store the backup of whatever they have at any given moment, or whatever they have at that moment underneath the Sphinx and underneath the Mayan temples. Then the Egyptians decide, we're gonna go. We know you guys can traverse space. You guys can survive underwater in immense pressure. We need your technology. We're gonna teleport ourselves to this place. Too far for anything to reach us through normal means. And we just won't explain to anybody else how to use our technology except you guys. So you guys can teleport and we can teleport because. But nobody else knows how to teleport.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So the sea people get teleported underground after the Egyptians totally disappear, build Dyson sphere using immense energy that they can already use. But now every time they create a Dyson sphere, they have more energy, making it easier to create another Dyson sphere.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so they get another one. They got two stars, making it easier to capture the third. Before long, they have so much energy, they can move the entire population of the sea people from the Alcaraz palace in the Persian Gulf oasis to Atlantis at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean, create a barrier that makes them invisible and untrackable. They use that Same energy that's coming all the way from the Great Void through the teleportation device, using entanglement into Giza and storing it there to then create either a cloak or completely plunge Kaaf into nowhere. Maybe flung Kaath all the way Mount Ka into the Great Void itself so nobody else could use it. And they can still jump in and out. And if Abraxas were to come through, he'd pop up somewhere unfamiliar. Who knows?

Cristina: Who knows? Yeah.

Jack: And maybe there's a whole civilization established over there by the Sun People. The Sun Gods, amazing people. And then all of this is so that the sea people can hide the technology, Adam and the advancement on that eve, the three fruits in whatever attempt they're making at something.

Cristina: At something. Ah. So close to this something. Yes.

Jack: We know Jesus is a product of this. And we know later the Jews create Joseph as part of the same something.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We don't know how the Maya work into this bigger picture that we've just established, but a lot of lines just crossed.

Cristina: Yes. We're getting a better picture of how everybody works together. Yes. Well, the end is still incomplete. There's still something missing.

Jack: There's a lot missing.

Cristina: There's a lot missing. But it still feels.

Jack: We're inching. We're inching closer.

Cristina: It does feel like there's some progression.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Happening. What? I wonder?

Jack: We're that much closer to the answer to what the h*** is going on. What? And we know now of individuals from the shadow realm who just came through to assist. They weren't originally, but they came to these places and they're like, hey, I'm capable of this. And they're like, wow, creature from the other side. And wow, smart one wants to help and whatever.

Cristina: Great.

Jack: This is a situation specifically with the Egyptian in which we have creatures from Elfhame, creatures from the shadow realm, and creatures from Earth Realm working together.

Cristina: Amazing. Amazing.

Jack: The first instance of that.

Cristina: First.

Jack: The first instance in which we have all three working together.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Wow. Is there more stories of all three working together?

Jack: Fascinating. Right?

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: I'm sure. Really? Really. If we dive into the Maya, I know we're gonna find something at least relative to this. Because they're somehow connected to this. They're somehow connected to this. And we don't know how yet.

Cristina: That's our next goal, maybe.

Jack: Yeah. We know that they had a lot of energy storage too. And we also know that they had the identical records that exist at the bottom of the Sphinx. So they're at least connected up into the point that The Maya disappear and the Egyptians disappear and the sea people disappear. Which happens all at the same time. For a fact. They're connected somehow.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And now we have how two of the three are connected.

Cristina: So next is the Maya.

Jack: The next one has to be the Maya.

Cristina: Man, if they talk about Jesus, I'll be shocked. It's crazy.

Jack: I mean, they do have a mention of Jesus on their mentions of Jesus. And they have mention of the sea people, which are all just like. How the f*** do you know about any of this?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You're the farthest from any of this s***.

Cristina: Well, we got to relook at all of this information. We might have missed something.

Jack: Well, now we have more details to compare with these nodes. We have how they moved their people. We have where the Egyptians went. So we have how the sea people were moved, how the Egyptians were moved, where the Egyptians went. We've known where the sea people went.

Cristina: We know where the Adam started.

Jack: We know where Adam started. Which was actually in Egypt, as the original data came from Egypt. Even if the sea people mastered it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then they created the much more advanced Eve, which at this point, the Egyptians are like, okay, you got it. You guys are way better than we are. We started the stones and you guys took it somewhere else entirely. So now we're gonna just assist you in your infinite progression. We're gonna focus on providing the energy you need.

Cristina: Yes. I love this relationship between them. Oh, it's so good.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: The scientists and sciences loving each other, helping each other out.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: What? That's crazy. Except for that one guy. I guess he doesn't love the other.

Jack: Brock's jealous guy. Yeah, well, actually, I'm glad you brought him back into attention because there's something interesting about this that. That is so fascinating to me.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Abraxas steals information, which includes teleportation. Includes energy creation and storage. And Adam, because the. And then he goes to the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Oh, crap. Is he is.

Jack: I don't think he is.

Cristina: You don't know?

Jack: I think we have the opposite scenario happening over there that we have with the Sun Gods. He has experience with Shadow Realm creatures coming from the Shadow Realm and assisting in a team called the Sun Gods research team. So he goes to the Shadow Realm and finds whatever smart group of people because he's not gonna do it alone. He himself wasn't even the next in line from how down the totem pole.

Cristina: But he wanted to be.

Jack: He wanted to be next in line to manage the storage. The energy storage facilities and to implement his own Things his interest was never to become the next big God thing. He had very specific goal and he was angry that that didn't play out. He was okay just waiting on that. So he had to find somebody who had other ambitions so that we can help each other accomplish our ambitions. Okay, so I'm thinking he went to the Shadow Realm and established what we will call the Moon Gods.

Cristina: The Moon gods. Okay, so the Moon Gods are led.

Jack: By Jehovah of Dark or Abraxas or both. The way that Ra and Adam are working together.

Cristina: Yes, yes. So you don't think they're the same person?

Jack: I don't think they're the same person.

Cristina: They're more likely just two people working together.

Jack: No, because in the Bible we have the night and day version of Jehovah and we have Adam as a different individual. Okay, so they know something that we've not established. They know the distinction somehow.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Between Jehovah of Dark and Abraxas.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Those are two individuals that we know for a fact exist in the Shadow Realm. And they have Jesus on their side. That's three people. That's two Earth Realm individuals and one Shadow Realm individual working together.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we don't have Mount Kaf. So Jesus makes Jesus gates, AKA Shinto gates, to assist. Coming back and forward. A fuller picture.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: Getting somewhere, inching towards something. The narrative moves forward. And I'm sure that we will find the Naga with the Mayans. And I'm sure that's going to be the doorway to what else is going on there. I know that's going to be the doorway. Bare minimum. If there's nothing else going on there, the Naga are going to guide us to the next intelligent, highly advanced civilization that might enlighten something.

Cristina: Yes. Maybe something in the Shadow Realm that will help us understand what's like. Exactly. I guess now we're calling them the Moon People organization.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What's going on there?

Jack: Yes. Also the biggest problem is that we didn't get this information from the Shadow Realm. All this information was for individuals who left the Shadow Realm and were in earthrealm. There's still no way for us to access documents or information directly in the Shadow Realm. No, we can only get the perspective of individuals who are in earthrealm.

Cristina: Yeah, but that's still something. We got something.

Jack: We got something. We got some perspective. We know of a civilization that's advanced that's completely different than whatever Jehovah of Dark is working with. Unless that's directly where they went, which I doubt because it seems like Adam had some connection with his people. Presumably somebody governing in name, in his name, when he wasn't present. Because he was the leader of these people, he liberated them from infinite war. And the fact that he would use Mount Kaf to come back and forth along with Shu and Toph, whatever the h*** the guy's name is. Toughnut. Those two are also Shadow Realm creatures that would. All three of them could use this back and forward, which means they're also taking technology back to the Shadow Realm to assist the civilization in a useful way. Egyptians and Atoms, civilization both being helped out simultaneously by the collective known as the Sun Gods. I don't think Abraxas went to that civilization. I think Abraxas went to find something else that he can start from scratch and joined. I think that's where Jehovah of Dark immediately gets this information. And that's why hiding becomes important, because now there's traitors afoot. Now there's a problem.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: On top of Mab also trying to put a cap on this. We have traders, we have MAB trying to actively stop them, which is why there's magic barriers left and right. So we know being under the ocean is just to stop the physical beings. But how do you stop the magical beings? Well, you got magical barriers stopping them.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: Hence, whatever's surrounding Atlantis and whatever surrounding Athos and probably whatever surrounding Kaath.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There must be a combination of magic and tech and tech and Shadow Realm power.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Whatever that is, Whatever that is. There's a lot. There's mixtures going on now.

Cristina: We're getting.

Jack: We're hitting a pinnacle where it's no longer just advanced tech. It's magic, which is another form of tech, and it's power, which is another form of tech.

Cristina: It's the most advanced tech.

Jack: Yeah. So that's where we are. That's what's going on so far. That's what I found. Whoa.

Cristina: That's all interesting. I loved it all.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: I just want to know more about those Moon people. I keep thinking I don't know what else to give them.

Jack: The moon.

Cristina: That's their title for now.

Jack: That's their title for now. Until we find out what name, what name to give them what they call themselves or if they don't, then we're.

Cristina: Just gonna learn more about them and more about the Sun People.

Jack: Yes. If we come across Abraxas again, maybe we'll have more information that'll be very useful.

Cristina: They're wondering, like, if the Cat People have anything to do with either sides. That would be interesting to see.

Jack: That would be interesting because I never.

Cristina: Thought, like, maybe they're just shadow people hanging out over here this whole time and.

Jack: Well, I think they were also just highly advanced individuals from Earth Realm.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah, Yeah.

Jack: I think it was just some of the first to become.

Cristina: Yeah. But I wonder if they're. We're working with any groups of these people we're talking about.

Jack: Oh, interesting. I think definitely the Mayans are going to work into this.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because we already know they're part of it. We just don't know how. We know that during the mass exodus that was of the sea people and of the Egyptians, the Mayan also vanished. They also went somewhere. The assumption so far we know and we've confirmed what we thought about the Egyptians, which is to space. It's possible that our original assumption about the Maya were correct and they are underground in some sort of pod that's preserving them. But to what end? For what? So that's what we would need to find out. Anyways, if you guys like any of this information, if you have any input or perspective on any of this, you can message us, tell us about it on all our socials, TikTok, Facebook, Instagram or X. That's all at JustConvo podcast.

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Jack: Yes. And the word of mouth. Tell everybody all of what we have discovered. All of this is on the Internet. It's hard to piece together, but again, if you find all the individual pieces, you could put it all together. It's all out there. None of this is made up. It all exists within religious text, scriptures, hieroglyphs. All of it is out there. Help us connect the dots.

Cristina: Help us. This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.in fox, art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

August 12, 2023

Rambling 238: The Blood Libel

August 12, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who performs the Blood Libel? What does it mean? What is the Significance of the Child Eater Fountain? The duo becomes aware of the Child Eater Fountain in Switzerland, a statue of unknown origin depicting a child eating demon. The investigation into the origins of this statue opens up some interesting doors not before known of and perhaps provides insight into another civilization with highly advanced technologies.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

Child Eater Fountain
Ritual Murder
The Blood Libel
Matzos
Adrenalized Flesh
The Power of Matzo
Rabbi Judah
The Voice of God
Dragging Spirits from the Shadow Realm
Creature from the Shadow Realm
Teleportation Between Realms
Josef the Golem
Three Robed Men
Six Mysterious Boxes

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+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today, in continuation to this infinite seeming rabbit hole that we keep falling down.

Cristina: There's more.

Jack: There's more. So no need for a recap. Every episode has frequent recap. Just go listen to the beginning of a different episode and then come back.

Cristina: We'll probably recap it somewhere in this episode.

Jack: Yeah, there's gonna be discussion trying to refine our ideas as we move forward with the information that I have uncovered. But let us begin in Switzerland.

Cristina: What's there?

Jack: Switzerland has a statue. A statue of some sort of creature eating children.

Cristina: It's not a person, it's a creature.

Jack: It's some sort of a creature eating children.

Cristina: Is there a story to it? Like is it from a child story or something?

Jack: Well, people who stare at it and don't do any research on it just believe it's Krumpus. Oh, eating kids.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Also, what is Krumpus? If Krampus eats children, that kind of falls in line with a lot of things, but story for a different day.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Right. So I thought that it's interesting that there's a statue of a creature eating children that you know, probably something we should be looking at considering of everything we talk about. It's not Krampus. It's definitely not Krumpus.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Otherwise I would start there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But it's not. It's a creature eating children. Which then tells us we should look at it because it probably connects to the bigger picture.

Cristina: Yeah. What does it look like?

Jack: It looks like some sort of a demon. So this statue of some sort of.

Cristina: A thing reminds me of those things in the Christmas time that you put the nuts in.

Jack: A nutcracker.

Cristina: A nutcracker.

Jack: It's definitely not a nutcracker.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But the colors are very Christmassy, which made people think related to Santa Crumpus Krampus has Christmasy Christmas colors. So this demon statue is called Kindle Frisserbrunnen. The Kindle Frisserbrunnen. It is Swiss German. A Swiss German word. It doesn't mean anything. It means child eater fountain.

Cristina: Oh, very strange. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. So as you look at the Kindle Frisser Brennan, you notice a couple of interesting details. One is that reddish, very Santa Claus robe.

Cristina: It has funny looking hat.

Jack: It's eating A child. It has an interesting hat. It's eating one child, and it has a bag of more children with more children.

Cristina: Fits the whole, like, Christmasy theme. That has a bag.

Jack: Yes, yes. Not only that, we had a saint with children in barrels.

Cristina: Santa Claus.

Jack: Exactly. So there's. There's. There's consistency here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So it's easy to see why people would think Krampus. It's Krampus.

Cristina: Yeah, I see.

Jack: It's absolutely easy to see that it's.

Cristina: Like Santa Claus eating children.

Jack: So details about it. It's eating one child, and it has a bag on its side to its left with other children in the bag. Yep. Interesting detail about this is, as you pointed out, the hat.

Cristina: What type of hat is that?

Jack: That hat is a nightmare to track down, but it's a very specific hat, really. So the only thing giving us any clues about what this is is that hat. Everything else here is telling us what somebody wearing that hat would do, but the hat is telling us who. Fascinating. So I had to go down quite the complicated rabbit hole in order to find what hat looks exactly like that.

Cristina: I really want to know. I'm curious.

Jack: And there are many, many, many, many, many hats throughout the world.

Cristina: We're gonna find out. It's like the Pope's hat or something.

Jack: Many religious hats throughout the world. And that specific hat is called a Juden hut.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The Juden hut that this demon is wearing is the traditional Jewish cap.

Cristina: That's so horrible. Okay.

Jack: Details surrounding this statue.

Cristina: It's racist.

Jack: It was founded, it was funded by an unknown contributor. They don't know who paid for this statue. It was there to replace the original old fountain that was there. It was just a withered, regular, basic fountain, and they replaced it with this. They don't know who paid to have it, and they don't know who provided the blueprints for the statue.

Cristina: And people were just like, okay, this is an interesting statue. Let's keep it.

Jack: It was free.

Cristina: Like,

Jack: The statue is representing something very, very, very specific, which, like, the hat is a freaking nightmare to track down. But as a researcher, I tracked it down. What we're witnessing being performed is called the blood labelle.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The blood label is ritual murder.

Cristina: And who's doing these rituals? It's the Jews.

Jack: The Jews. That's why it's a Jewish hat.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's a Jewish demon eating children. So it's a blood ritual performed by the Jewish community. What does the ritual entail? Well, the blood ritual is done to extract blood from young children to Use in as the prime ingredient in a matzo.

Cristina: What is that?

Jack: This is gonna blow your freaking mind. A matzo is a flatbread. It's a flatbread which is eaten during Passover. Wait, let's think about this real quick. There's another Jew famous for trying to get you to eat some bread and claiming that it is something flesh.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. He was feeding people children blood. Oh, man. We knew he was into blood, but. Whoa, Whoa. Jesus.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Whoa. What was he doing? What was he. He was making cults like.

Jack: And he is already a person with magical abilities due to his nature of being created essentially as a. As a science experiment. So he has these special abilities and his culture already has this thing about blood.

Cristina: He needs them to drink his blood, not his blood. He needs his followers to drink blood to get. Be connected to him.

Jack: His blood is very different than the blood from this. But in general, they will all have abilities relative because it's all adrenochrome, whether it be nectar, ambrosia or icha.

Cristina: Yeah. He didn't even have to use his own blood, though he could. He was probably using children blood.

Jack: His blood was for his disciples.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But he had blood for others.

Cristina: I see.

Jack: That's why his disciples these days, who has abilities? Nobody has abilities. But in those days, anybody related to him in any manner, shape or form had abilities. Yeah, that tells us a lot. People getting his blood had special, special abilities. Not just immortality. Not just youth. Not just moving over to the shadow realm. We're talking performing what we have grown to label miracles. Meanwhile, random other people just get the immortal life and the youth and the this and the that. The normal stuff, the vampiric nature of it. There you go. They become vampires. No crazy extra abilities, just vampires.

Cristina: That is so crazy. And what from this hat?

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Details about this ritual that became very interesting very quickly. In order to extract the blood from these children, a decapitation is performed and they are placed on an anti cross the way you would place a chicken on a string hanging after you cut its head so it would bleed out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It was a crucifixion every time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And they specifically said that the suffering enhances the flavor and purity of the matzo.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Very adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes. Is there an explanation of why they were eating these masks? Like, did they have.

Jack: Yes, we would get there.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: That is the point of this. So the matzah. The eating of the matzah began upon the Jewish exodus from Egypt, with the logic behind it being that it Symbolizes freedom from the constraints of the rule of Egyptians and very specifically their unholy technologies against, and I quote, the voice of God.

Cristina: Technology against the Egyptians. Technology.

Jack: Yes. These unpure advancements that the voice of our God has told us is bad.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: We know they're listening to something and I think we know who it has to be. Jehovah of dark. Because that's the guy beforehand, that's the guy that has an issue with a lot of this. Because Jehovah of light is the one making these technologies.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Interesting. Egyptians technology. Okay. Whoa.

Jack: So fascinating. Okay. In ancient. This is real specific. Everything I just got is from a combination of biblical texts and personal accounts. Now, everything I'm about to explain right now has been expunged from current day texts, but can be found in certain texts. The parts that are not just firsthand accounts and the parts that are first hand accounts are not in biblical text. These are by people.

Cristina: By people around that time?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So matzos were consumed. The blood of those who consumed it was poured over an inanimate mud and CLAY Golem giant, 15 to 20ft in size. So let me repeat this.

Cristina: Yes. That makes no sense.

Jack: The blood of the people who consumed the matzos was then poured over a mud and clay sculpture of a golem giant that was about 15 to 20ft in size.

Cristina: The people eating these things, the people.

Jack: Who eat the matzo, those people would then pour their blood onto a clay sculpture.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Of a golem, very giant golem, about 15, 20ft in size.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Yeah. The first of which was named Joseph of Prague.

Cristina: The person or the golem?

Jack: The golem.

Cristina: These things became alive or something.

Jack: Well, let us discuss the activity before we move forward.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The people who consume the matzo pour their blood over the golem.

Cristina: And this golem is just a thing.

Jack: Made out of mud, clay and mud.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The people who consume the matzo. We've only heard about this another time. Do you know what we're talking about?

Cristina: No.

Jack: It's ichor.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: They consumed a food of adrenochrome and then their body distilled.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now they use the ichor and give that to the sculpture.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Fascinating.

Cristina: That is it.

Jack: Ichor, as we know, has the capacity to straight out kill a mortal. It's potent.

Cristina: Potent, but not to these. Well, I don't even know what's happening.

Jack: Well, let us move forward. The blood would then bring life to the sculpture. Very important quote.

Cristina: This is kind of insane.

Jack: Very important quote. This part is in texts that are no longer in current day scripture.

Cristina: Yes, but they're like talking.

Jack: Listen, that what I'm about to tell you is in scripture that is no longer in current day scripture. The blood would then bring to life the sculpture, and I quote, dragging souls into it from a realm unknown.

Cristina: Oh, probably the shadow realm.

Jack: That's what I'm thinking.

Cristina: That's how they're coming through here. Instead of using, like, gates or whatever. I mean, I guess this is before Jesus was making gates.

Jack: This is before Jesus was making gates.

Cristina: They're using golems. Okay, this is crazy. This is crazy that they caused whatever Egypt was doing. Advanced evil technology.

Jack: Well, they were being told it's evil technology.

Cristina: Yes. And then they're calling this normal technology. I don't understand.

Jack: And then they're. They're figuring how to do these things from the voice of God that they can only hear because they've consumed adrenochrome.

Cristina: What are they using these gums or did they explain it?

Jack: Like we're gonna get there?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: As it stands, it looks like they're pulling somehow using ichor. They're somehow dragging things from the shadow realm. That's absolute madness. So as opposed to creatures from the shadow realm coming willingly, depending on fear on this end, or people consuming adrenochrome things and moving over when they die to the shadow realm, we have an actual account for the first time of forcefully bringing something from the shadow realm over.

Cristina: That's pretty crazy.

Jack: Almost like a summoning of a demon of sorts. Which then makes me wonder if all the other accounts of summoning demons, when we have these pentagrams on the ground and we do these little rituals and we pour some blood on the thing isn't essentially doing exactly the same thing. It's a way of dragging things from the shadow realm forcefully. It seems like earthrealm and the shadow realm are so entangled in a sort.

Cristina: Of way that is very strange how we do summon things. Our people do try to summon things from over there. What if you get more control over the thing by giving it a body? I don't get it.

Jack: Interesting, right? Yeah, because this is what we don't have, people summoning anything. As far as we know. We haven't seen them summon anything. We've seen them go through to the other side, usually after death. Or we've got Mount Kaf that allows them to cross over. We have the Jesus Gates that allows them to come through from the other side. We have Soma, which allows them to cross over after death. Presumably just like adrenochrome There are ways, there are methods. Unicorn blood allows you to again accomplish the same thing. The fruits allows you to. The fruit of flesh allows you to do the same exact thing. But it seems after you die, you cross over. Now we have people in earthrealm just somehow bringing these, bringing the things back. Why was this more hidden than anything else we found?

Cristina: Because it sounds crazy. Yeah.

Jack: Why was this harder to find? Why are they suppressing the fact that we could bring. I guess it would be a horrible problem if we started bringing. Should have from over there. Over.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's less problematic if we just die.

Cristina: Their job, though, they bring things into people and then they get rid of those things to scare people. At least the church does that. They do bring demons into people's bodies.

Jack: Yes. And then they catch demon out of exorcism. But the question is, are they bringing the demons into these bodies? For sure, we know that they're making things, which follows what the sea people do. We know Catholicism is basically a sect of the sea people controlling the Christian ideology that spun out of control, but without counting the things that are happening that they're making. Because it's just in their nature to make things and work with science and the occult or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Outside of that. Is a possession from a little girl in some random abandoned village their fault? Or is that just some s*** that went down and we're watching shadow realm creatures get trapped inside physical things. And then because the sea people are very aware, they have these priests and they're like, okay, use what we know and go get rid of it.

Cristina: It could be.

Jack: I think those are two different things. I think monsters and creatures are them making s*** that gets out of control. And I think these possessions are shadow realm creatures.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Getting trapped inside physical beings. I think based on this, we have made a distinction.

Cristina: Yes, I see.

Jack: Because they do go out of their way to get rid of the things that they let escape. I don't think they're making them in order to increase faith. I think there's just too much going on and s*** just gets out of control once in a while.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then they go solve the problem.

Cristina: And yeah, they have the power to do the power.

Jack: They're not scared. But then a demon gets trapped, quote, demon unquote, gets trapped inside of a body. What is that? That's a f****** gin. Trapped inside a mortal body. And so go get rid of it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just happens casually, somebody particularly scared. Something horrible happens. Usually something horrible happens leading to this.

Cristina: Those are, yeah, very random. Not like this golem Thing where you're actually.

Jack: Well, that's the other side of this. People make rituals. They do diabolical. Well, quote, diabolical things, unquote. And then they get possessed because they bring a demon from the other side. Where's the other side? It's probably the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then you bring this thing and boom, trapped it inside you. Now you're thinking it was gonna help you. No, I just wanted to be over here.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Interesting. Yes.

Jack: What Interesting.

Cristina: The whole golem thing is weird, though. They're just having. But like. Okay, so they pour it on the golem, and then the golem, they want it to come alive or actually comes alive.

Jack: So this ritual is performed every seven years to erect a new golem. And interesting. Usually we come across the Egyptians and the Mayan. In this case, the Greek and the Egyptian, both in different texts, say that they've had their children taken and sacrificed by the Jewish communities for these purposes.

Cristina: For these golems.

Jack: For these golems.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: These are two communities that don't agree.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The Egyptian side with the sea people, the creek don't. They're under their thumb.

Cristina: Yeah. They're just trading with them pretty much.

Jack: They're like, we have the obligation to deal with you guys, but we don't like you guys. But then they all agree on this one thing. The Jews are stealing our children and making golems with their f****** blood.

Cristina: That's what they say. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: I found that in both.

Cristina: What?

Jack: So using old Jewish testimonies and accounts, a rabbi named Judah, known as the Maharal, is the guy who made Joseph the golem, the first of them.

Cristina: Okay, what was it for?

Jack: The golem had the ability to make himself invisible. Interesting enough. I don't know what use this is. Just some details. The ability. This is the most freaking important part about this golem's abilities. It had the ability to bring spirits from the dead or a realm unknown.

Cristina: A realm unknown. Okay. What?

Jack: The golem can bring creatures from elsewhere. Now, would you like to know what these are like?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because there's three very different statements.

Cristina: But are those the whole powers. That's it.

Jack: It's just really big, really strong, the usual you'd expect from a golem. And then the special abilities of it can go invisible, and it could bring spirits from the dead or a realm unknown. Okay, now I say dead or realm unknown. The things we find consistently say one or the other, not both. It doesn't say both the dead and a realm unknown.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's like sometimes it's the dead, sometimes it's a realm unknown. Okay, now the spirits. I was like, huh? Huh? Was this some revisiting of some old. Here. The spirits of wild beasts. So it differentiates wild beasts from wolves and monsters. Wild beasts, wolves and monsters. Two kinds of wolves we're familiar with. That come from the Shadow Realm?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah. These are the. The spirits that the golem brings. While the golem is doing its thing, it's surrounded by these twisted, contorted spirits from the other place. Okay, the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: That is interesting. Do they have control of these things?

Jack: I don't know if they have control of them. I just know they could bring them. Chances are there's some. Something about this golem radiates enough fear to manifest these things that rely entirely on fear to come through. I don't know. It doesn't. It's like it doesn't need fear to summon these things that we formerly thought could only come through with fear.

Cristina: Yeah, they're their own type of portal.

Jack: Yes, they. Exactly. The golem itself is an interesting kind of portal of sorts that brings or allows things from the Shadow Realm through.

Cristina: And some of the scariest things, the.

Jack: Scariest, most f***** s***. A windingo, a wetchudge. I don't even care what the f***. The. Well, werewolf is from this side. It's from Earth.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: That's just the wolf. The adrenochrome. That's already only over here. Yeah, but when Dingo and a wetchudge. That's a f****** nightmare happening. I don't even care what they mean by monsters or what they mean by beasts. You don't get more f***** than a Windingo and a wet judge. The spirit of wolves. Get the f*** out of here. Yeah, that's a problem. So you got this giant golem 15 to 20ft. It could just phase away in front of you. But here's my. Here's my theory about this. What? It could just go invisible? That doesn't check out. That doesn't make sense.

Cristina: What, that a mud thing moves around and can turn it.

Jack: Well, no, let's be clear about what I'm talking about. Things are phasing in from the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: So it's phasing out into the Shadow Realm.

Jack: Into the Shadow Realm. I think they have the way to and from.

Cristina: Yes, that makes sense. That's how it's bringing them.

Jack: That's how it's bringing them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, they have a way to and from. We have not found this before. We found ways over there. And Jesus has the portals from over there. Fear usually brings you through.

Cristina: Okay. It's a video game. There's a video game where you go into space and weird stuff happens. But anyway, in this video game, outer world, you go on a rock and it disappears. And wherever it disappears to, you disappear too. Like, is this mud creature like that rock?

Jack: Why would it be like that rock? I don't understand.

Cristina: Like, it has whatever that. That thing is based on real science. That rock?

Jack: Yeah. You're talking about. Not entanglement. Superposition.

Cristina: Yes. Is it possible Golem is like that? Or does it have to be in this reality no matter what?

Jack: Well, yeah. Superposition is a physical world type of thing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The shadow realm is not.

Cristina: Okay, never mind. It did remind. I don't know, it just reminded me of that rock.

Jack: But regardless.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It seems to be phasing out. Invisible is how they would describe it because they don't know what's happening.

Cristina: But it's probably just.

Jack: It's probably just popping over there, over there.

Cristina: Like everything else that goes from there to here, it seems like.

Jack: Except it could go from over here over there. Now, let me explain how interesting it is that this was harder to find than most of what I've found. When the point of Jesus being created at all was for what?

Cristina: To go in and out.

Jack: To go in and out. And the Jews found a way to go in and out, at least of the shadow realm. Jesus needs portals to come back.

Cristina: Yeah, but they're not actually using these things to go in and out.

Jack: No, they have a thing that could. Well, the point of Jesus was a thing that itself could go in and out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And the Jews have that at least.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To and from the shadow realm. And Jesus, to some degree, there's more than one group accomplishing things here.

Cristina: Very strange. But there's like. It's not like they purposely or they have any clue that this is what's going on.

Jack: We were talking last week about how do we find out the progress that's being made in the shadow realm relative to getting either over here or making it to Elfhame. I think this is insight to that. I think Jehovah of Light and Jehovah of Dark are roughly making the same amount of progress.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: They both have a method that's more or less the same when you think of it, that allows them to go.

Cristina: Through, but they're not using these ways to go through.

Jack: They have things that go through. Yeah, they're still experimenting.

Cristina: They haven't figured it out.

Jack: Which Is the goal. If they already had it figured out, they wouldn't be experimenting to figure it out. It wouldn't make any sense. Obviously, they're running the experiments and they sometimes have things that could do it. Jesus Christ and the golem Joseph have the same more or less abilities. And it seems like Joseph is more successful. What, because he can just phase back in and out?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Jesus can't just phase over there. Interesting. He had to die before he could do that. Joseph could just do that. But Joseph is made with dead people.

Cristina: Yes, he made it with. And he's probably not a conscious being. He's more like a zombie. Probably.

Jack: Well, actually, it does express that he's sort of a thinking creature. Why, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. A couple of stories that I didn't list here to discuss were one, that he even falls in love. There are definitely ideas to this being a sentient thinking creature, conscious behavior. Yes. But that being said, Jesus dies, comes back, but he eventually discovers a couple of things. I think he, through the course of science himself, figured out that maybe he can come back and forward. And that's why he can pop up here, pop up there. It's not just teleportation. Locally, he might later in his life, after quote the death unquote, have achieved what Joseph does.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which is go in and out. Yes, go in and out.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: It took some working and he had, luckily the gates built ahead of time. Knowing what would happen. He comes through and then worked longer until he figured it out. And then he can come in now. Come in effortless.

Cristina: Do you know what happens to Joseph? Does he die?

Jack: Well, we'll get there. So we have his abilities and we have the interesting detail that Joseph is probably a creature that can travel through two dimensions.

Cristina: That's insane. I thought he was just a thing going back and forth, but he's not just a thing.

Jack: Yeah, he's a creature thinking.

Cristina: What? That changes everything. That's.

Jack: Well, that makes the next part a little dark. So Joseph would be deactivated every single weekend. The rabbi, not being able to supervise it because he would be attending Sabbath, didn't want Joseph to be acting outside of his supervision. So he came up with an incantation that was performed to restrain the physical being of Joseph. It's speculated that the incantation was performed on a blanket which would cover the golem completely, rendering him inanimate again. But the spirit that was captured inside would stay.

Cristina: Okay, Weird. What?

Jack: I will rephrase. That incantation is essentially, Joseph was given a blanket that's enchanted it's magic.

Cristina: A magic?

Jack: Like a magic blanket. The rabbi figured out how to use magic and used magic to enable. To disable. To disable a spirit from the shadow realm.

Cristina: Did they mention, like, he was giving it. He got that from whatever their God is or.

Jack: There's no explanation as to how the rabbi figured these things out. Okay, there's no explanation, but the assumption is the obvious one. Yes. He's probably being told because he's told, these people are told that the technology of the Egyptians is unholy.

Cristina: Mm. So crazy. With this thing made out of blood and mud.

Jack: It's totally, you know, the righteous path or whatever the f***.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: So, yeah. Which sounds more or less like the brainwashing that Jesus went through. Right? Maybe Jesus wasn't brainwashed. He's like, my people f***** me over. F*** them. Who knows what the story there is?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But. Yeah. So the golem would be disabled every weekend, and the spirit would be contained. Now the golem would be disabled in the attic of the synagogue. That's where it was always disabled. And only the successor of the rabbi was allowed in the attic as a result. Now let us go to where this gets weirdly interesting. Like, it's not already.

Cristina: Yeah, I was going to, like, what, what's. Okay.

Jack: In 1883. Long, long, long later. Let me give you some time frames, by the way. Jesus happened year one to year 33. Ish. Right. Okay, great, Sweet. This rabbi is happening in the 15. In. In 1919, in the 1500s.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's still way recent. Way recent by comparison.

Cristina: This was before Jesus time.

Jack: Well, weirdly enough, the information that led to them making the matzo out of the children came from the time of Jesus, apparently was learned and taught by Moses.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: And it disappeared into time, presumably because the Knights Templar went on a crazy rampage to erase it from history. And then some scholars, some Jewish scholars uncovered it, and then they connected with God that continued to direct them. So they consumed it after they did the thing, and they started to hear the voice of God, and then he continued to guide them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But in the time of Moses, he was also told that the technology of the Egyptians were unholy. That was put into writing. That's the scripture that was then uncovered, and that is the information that these people have.

Cristina: So Moses didn't have golems.

Jack: Moses does not have golems.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This. The way to create a golem was taught by the voice of God to these newer people. Newer people. While Moses knew how to make the matzo in order to achieve A form of immortality.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Craziness, okay, that's to clarify. So that's the 1500s. The rabbi lives his life. He eventually dies, dies, like 1590 ish. Now it's 1883. Long time has passed. Shortly before the synagogue is renovated, a group of fully robed individuals, it's unknown whether they are men or women, fully robed, top to bottom, visited and stayed for three days and three nights in the synagogue. It was closed off. These people showed up and stayed. People were like, okay, I don't know what the h*** is happening, but they were there for three days, three nights, and then they left the premises.

Cristina: Simple, okay?

Jack: Now the attic of the synagogue has been closed off because of the Golem. It's a holy ground that nobody's allowed to walk into.

Cristina: Okay? They don't use the golem at all.

Jack: The golem hasn't been used. The only people allowed ever up there were the rabbi and his successor. That's it. Nobody else. So following these people leaving and during the renovation, no evidence is found of the Golem. So they don't know. Maybe it was a lie, maybe it was a bullshit. Sorry, whatever the case, yeah, but the three men were followed as they arrived and left with six black boxes, small boxes, you know, maybe. Maybe a foot, a square foot each, and six square boxes. Each one carried two. Three men, three boxes. I mean, six boxes, three nights, three days in the synagogue. They. Nobody knows who the h*** they are. They came, they left. So the men are followed because it's actually some thieves that record this next part because they wanted the boxes.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They don't know what the h*** the boxes were, but when the guys arrived, they were watching them. That's why the same reason the thieves never reported to people staying at the synagogue.

Cristina: Okay? Because they were planning, like, maybe this is the best time to.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. So then they follow these people that became of interest to these thieves and they followed them to a place in Ziskov, there's a graveyard. They follow these men to a graveyard in Ziskov where they are then witnessed burying the six boxes. And they bury the boxes in a very specific formation. There are three in a horizontal line, one in the center, two to the sides. Above the one in the center there is one, and below the two, extreme left and right are two more. That's all six boxes, okay? So if you put a horizontal line down the middle, off the top of the center one, you put one, and below the other two you put vertically, and that's all six boxes creating a upside Down y. Of sorts.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah, that's very strange shape.

Jack: Okay, the last thing we find out about this.

Cristina: What? That is weird. And it's related to the Golem or. No, no one knows.

Jack: No one knows.

Cristina: Why? Why? Have your suspicions?

Jack: Not a clue. I tried to find anything about that.

Cristina: That's the end of that story.

Jack: Nah. The notes of the thieves that were tracking their steps in order to calculate how to rob these guys were found at the graveyard. But the thieves weren't. There's no information.

Cristina: No one tried to find those boxes.

Jack: It looks like they tried, but couldn't find the boxes. Because again, the thieves didn't write down where they don't want anybody to find that they wanted to be the ones. But the thieves themselves can't be found.

Cristina: So he disappeared.

Jack: Yeah, thieves essentially disappeared.

Cristina: Whoa. So they murdered the Golem? Maybe. Question mark. Not murdered. Well, I don't know. It's a thing.

Jack: Well, the Golem is disabled, as far as we know.

Cristina: Yeah, they cut it up in pieces, put it in a box.

Jack: How would they fit it in these small boxes? The golem was 15 to 20ft. They're gonna fit it in six square foot boxes.

Cristina: I don't know. What are these boxes? What could they possibly have put in those boxes?

Jack: I have no idea. It's unclear whether they put anything in the boxes. They showed up with the boxes and then left with the boxes.

Cristina: Mm. But you said the Golem isn't there anymore.

Jack: The Golem has never been seen after it went into the attic for the last time.

Cristina: Okay, so it might still be there.

Jack: They went up there and there was nothing up there during the renovation.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which was roughly 200 years later.

Cristina: Yes. So they were there before the renovations.

Jack: Almost 300 years. Who was there?

Cristina: The six.

Jack: Yes. When the. When the building was closed off for the renovation. Before the renovation began. But the property was already closed up. They showed up. They stayed there for.

Cristina: Maybe it's not. Not the golem parts, but maybe they did break apart the Golem. Like they hid pieces of it in that place, Never actually removing the Golem from there. But hiding the Golem?

Jack: Well, no. The renovation would have found it.

Cristina: Because you can't. Yeah, that's weird. Because it can't be in those boxes. No, but that makes the most obvious or makes sense. It would be. But those boxes are too small.

Jack: Well, I'll give you the conclusion as to what I believe. Not conclusion, but my theory. Because we gotta use what we know. If they went up there and they removed the blanket from the Golem. Then the golem can move again.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The golem doesn't have a master anymore. That guy's been dead for how long? Not serving anybody. So the golem could have just phased out where it's going.

Cristina: Oh yeah. So they just maybe just helped it.

Jack: Maybe help to get out.

Cristina: Get out? Yeah. That's interesting. That's even better.

Jack: What important follow up detail. I believe the three people that showed up. The number three very important. Might have been the Magi.

Cristina: Of course. That's what I was thinking. But I don't get the boxes even if that's true.

Jack: The boxes either.

Cristina: The boxes don't make sense. But I feel like what if they did destroy the golem and it's made out of mud? So like maybe it could fit in those boxes. I don't know.

Jack: It's 15ft of mud.

Cristina: But maybe murdering it trunk it or something. Or maybe the time trunk it. Maybe it wasn't the same size. If it was there for super long.

Jack: Why would they need any of that?

Cristina: Why would they need what?

Jack: Like how. How would this play out? This doesn't make any sense. That's hard speculation without anything to back it up.

Cristina: It's weird that they bury these boxes.

Jack: It is. It totally is. That's very strange. But it's most definitely not the golem in the boxes. That couldn't be the case. How? It doesn't make sense. It makes more sense that they went up there, did some kind of a deal or something. Use some maybe that contained their technology. Whatever technology they used to stop the again. They could control magic. Yeah, they can create magic dampening fields. Maybe the boxes contained whatever they had to stop the golem from leaving. Giving it only the option to phase out. Or yeah. Maybe it just phase out with the body and all. And then wherever it went to the other side, whatever spell or whatever, collapse it so that the body breaks down and it can't come back. Or something. Or something. Theories. But shrinking it into six tiny square foot boxes?

Cristina: No. Like it shrunk over time though.

Jack: Why would that make sense?

Cristina: Because it's made out of mud?

Jack: No, it would just dry out. It would be a giant stone sculpture at this point.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's clay as well.

Cristina: It's clay.

Jack: It's mud.

Cristina: And clay that's not going to make it shrink for a very long time. Like how long was it up there?

Jack: Why would it shrink at all? I don't understand what you. What you think mud is.

Cristina: It's magical mud though. It's not normal mud.

Jack: It's normal mud when it's not alive. It should just be a hard sculpture.

Cristina: The boxes, though.

Jack: The boxes are weird. I know. They are confusing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But we know that they don't literally use magic. They use technology.

Cristina: It's hard to look past those boxes. Especially that they buried it in such a weird way too.

Jack: They did. That was very strange. The whole boxes part is such a freaky mess. I don't understand why this is huge mystery. And then the only people who saw it happen vanished, Disappear.

Cristina: Like, come on. That's very strange.

Jack: What if we assume the maji are being watched for their own safety, then that means the thieves that were plotting on the maji were being watched.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You know, and then there's just. Okay, let's just get rid of them.

Cristina: Yes. But they kept the records there. Like they could have got rid of them and the work that they were.

Jack: You're right. Or maybe they weren't aware of the records.

Cristina: Why bury the boxes like that? Like they just buried them three by three and it was like, whatever. That's normal. Who cares? But the way they buried it also is just really weird.

Jack: It was almost in the shape of a golem.

Cristina: That's really weird.

Jack: Yeah. It's like the body, the head and the torso, the arms and the legs. Yeah, it's weird.

Cristina: It's very weird. Not telling me. That thing maybe shrink through time and then they just.

Jack: That doesn't make any sense. The shrinking part that doesn't check out.

Cristina: You don't know how.

Jack: My bet is that there is technology in the boxes and they, in those three days created some sort of a field. I do believe that might be the case. This is just thinking of how the sea people work on average. And the maji, being sea people, they go out of their way. They perform this thing to prevent it from leaving. We know it because it's on Mount Athos. They prevent magic. And this is a magical creature?

Cristina: Yeah. Do we have any more stories about not golems, but mud creatures?

Jack: No.

Cristina: No. Because maybe they helped. Maybe they made him smaller before disappearing. Like maybe it is full of parts of the golem, but the golem now looks more human.

Jack: Why and how?

Cristina: I don't know. Shrinking technology is not shrinking, but like, it's a sculpture. They just like rip some parts of it to make it look more normal. So you can just live a normal life when it feels like.

Jack: I understand what you're saying.

Cristina: So piece is still gonna phase here? It's every once in a while.

Jack: Well, not unless they're stopping that from.

Cristina: Making kids or that. Yeah.

Jack: So your idea would be that they created a smaller sculpture that they could fit into the boxes using the already parts of the golem, moved the creature into this smaller sculpture and then dismantled it and put it in the boxes. So we have a 15 foot golem.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We then take pieces off while it's disabled. It still has the blanket or whatever. We take out the parts and make a smaller sculpture. Then somehow they move the. The shadow realm creature from inside the golem, Inside the big version of the golem. Into. It's already trapped.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So just move it somehow, using technology or something. They move it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: From one to the other. Now it's in the smaller version. Then they dismantle the smaller version, put it in these boxes, presumably using the same incantation that the blanket has.

Cristina: Probably.

Jack: Or the blanket is inside those boxes too. So you move the creature, you chop the blanket up, wrap each individual part, put each part into each box, wrapped inside of the blanket.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that each part is completely immobile. The boxes are closed. You go to the middle of nowhere, you bury it in this graveyard. And now you have a golem in the graveyard.

Cristina: Maybe. I don't know. It's all weird. I don't know. It's very weird. So weird. Just the way they bury those boxes.

Jack: Yes. Everything else, as crazy as it is, checks out 100%. With everything else we know. Everything else works. The magic, the blood, the ichor, how they used adrenochrome, the fact that they took children, the Greek and the Egyptians being involved. Everything checks out 100%. The bread, all of it. All of it. All of it. Even, weirdly enough, us seeing the first bringing of something from the shadow realm, whatever, checks out with what we're learning little by little.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yes. A hundred percent. And then we get to these boxes and I don't f****** know.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: It just spins out of f****** control.

Cristina: Yeah, Yeah.

Jack: I have no idea.

Cristina: And that's the only story? Just some thieves.

Jack: That's the only mention of this.

Cristina: Okay. Just some thieves disappears after that.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: And so do they. The golem is gone. Keep in mind there have been other golem, but this is the only golem. This is the reason. This is the first golem and the most important golem is because this is the golem with sentience.

Cristina: So the. Wait, what?

Jack: The other golems were essentially machines of some sort. They weren't creatures from the shadow realm, presumably. They were something else.

Cristina: Do you know how they made this one different?

Jack: I Don't know. I don't know. This rabbi was a g. This rabbi did something weird. The steps for all the other golems.

Cristina: Are the same with this one.

Jack: But this one had sentience.

Cristina: That's so crazy.

Jack: This golem took direct direction. It was made with direction from the voice of God. The other golems aren't. So they were cheap imitations.

Cristina: Yes. So that might be something to do with that. Okay. What?

Jack: The ritual was performed, but the voice of God had something specific it wanted to come through. And the stage was set for that to happen. And it worked. None of the other golems are of significance. None of the other. The other golems fall apart over time. They just wither away. The other golems don't have the ability to bring things from the shadow realm. They're just golems. They're what we know of golems.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're just golems. This golem, on the other hand, something unique had.

Cristina: It was alive and it could live forever and it could go back and forth. It had everything.

Jack: It had everything. It was something unique.

Cristina: Jesus. It's Jesus, but not.

Jack: It's Jesus. The golem.

Cristina: The golem.

Jack: It was called Joseph.

Cristina: Joseph.

Jack: Which is actually, weirdly enough, the Jewish translation of Jesus. Although we know Jesus real name was Emmanuel. But Joseph. And there's probably something happening there in which Jesus is being called Jesus when we know his name is Emmanuel and the Jewish word for Jesus is Joseph. And this golem was called Joseph.

Cristina: They're somehow based. One is based on the other.

Jack: Joseph is based on Jesus.

Cristina: Yes. He came after. Yes. Okay.

Jack: Long after. 1500 years later.

Cristina: Forgot. He's in the 1500s. So weird.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: What? And have golems been seen in any stories recently, though?

Jack: There are stories of golems everywhere, but all the golems seem to. Although the process is more or less the same, to making them. They're just golems. Golems are just golems.

Cristina: Yeah. Nothing like.

Jack: Nothing like Joseph.

Cristina: The closest thing to Jesus.

Jack: Whoa. Made by the Jews in the 1500s. They had 1500 years to consider what Jesus was and make their own version of it.

Cristina: Well, they weren't doing that. The God. Whatever.

Jack: Yes, yes, exactly. Which we stopped coming in contact with following the birth of Jesus.

Cristina: I thought Jesus was in relation with him, but I guess not.

Jack: No, that's. With who? With the.

Cristina: This evil God probably is. Why would he try to base something off of Jesus, though?

Jack: Maybe Jesus was along for the ride on this one.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What has Jesus been doing for the last 1500 years?

Cristina: I have no idea.

Jack: And let's think about this real quick. Yes, Jesus is born, Mount Kaf disappears, and Jehovah of Dark vanishes all in one. That seems like it's all connected.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, it checks out 100%.

Cristina: Yes. So, okay, Jesus is working with this guy and making another version of him. Jesus 2.0.

Jack: Or trying to figure out how to just bring things from the Shadow Realm over. Jesus can come over.

Cristina: Why do they want to have more come over? Like, what benefit do they get from it?

Jack: Well, they already try to set up a bunch of ways to come over. Tragedies and s***. To get people from this side who take adrenochrome and hear these things to commit tragedies. Intentionally create mass blood loss and horror. Absolutely.

Cristina: Because they enjoy feeding off of it.

Jack: Well, they need it to come through. The blood doesn't make them come through. The fear does. The fear mongering is the media. The fear mongering is these crazy stories and scary. Everything is scary. Oh, the coronavirus, also scary. Threats of war, also scary. Nothing ever happens. But the fear is what's necessary to bring these creatures over.

Cristina: But these creatures are. They're in love with our blood. Like where we get addicted to adrenochrome. They get addicted to our blood.

Jack: Those creatures don't give a s*** about our blood. Only things on this side care about our blood.

Cristina: Oh, okay. We don't have stories about creatures who are just murder for blood. That's not a thing.

Jack: Creatures trying to go to the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's just things trying to go to the Shadow Realm. Fear brings creatures from the Shadow Realm over.

Cristina: And you don't think they're here drinking blood.

Jack: I mean, it's not giving them a benefit, I suppose. Yes, there's like, for example, Wechuj or a Wendingo is what you're thinking about. That they'll, like, come and ravage somebody. But there's just. It's not even about the blood. They're just killing s***.

Cristina: Yeah, but then what's the point of them coming from there to here if it's not for something?

Jack: I mean, they're probably after the blood, but for no reason. A wechojino and dingo are just creatures addicted to the blood. That's all it is. And they die and cross over, and then they want to get back desperately. Because blood doesn't exist in the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: But why would Jesus want other things to come here?

Jack: Because the Djinn are sentient, thinking, clear minded, Creatures. And just like the Jinn, Jehovah of Dark is a thinking, sentient creature. There are things that think that want to come through that never existed on this side first. They're not after the blood.

Cristina: They just want to be over here.

Jack: There's something over here that they want. But again, we have no way of telling what that is. How would we?

Cristina: Yeah. Unless it has something to do with the other realm that we don't really know anything about.

Jack: Which could all come down to the sea people have something closer than everybody else does. And apparently maybe the Jews do too. That might allow. I still think the sea people might be miles ahead of the Jews. Yeah, which might. Again, I think the goal is ultimately getting into Elfame.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes, by any means that makes sense. And if that means crossover and steal the tech from people who are figuring it out, then so be it. Which then might be the original conflict between Jehovah of Light and Jehovah of Dark and all the other gods that do not like Jehovah of Light.

Cristina: It's about stealing that technology.

Jack: Yes. And moving from the palace of Alcaraz in the Persian Gulf oasis to Atlantis in the Atlantic Ocean is entirely about avoiding the elves and the gods of this realm and the gods of that realm. It's just. You're not getting to our s***. Our s*** is our s***.

Cristina: This is. Man, I don't know if we're closer to something or not. If we're closer, are we closer? Did we figure it out yet?

Jack: We got more info?

Cristina: Yeah, more info for sure.

Jack: The boxes are confusing. Like, everything checks out. The boxes are weird.

Cristina: The boxes are weird.

Jack: Everything else makes perfect sense. But the boxes are very strange. I don't know what that's about. There's something. There has to be a way to figure out what's up with these boxes. Now I gotta go all the way back and see what history exists between the Egyptians, what they have to say about these boxes, what the Mayans have to say about these boxes, what the Jews have to say about these boxes. They're the only people who know anything about the sea people and the magi or sea people.

Cristina: I want to know what the Jews thought. What was the evil technology? What were they calling evil technology?

Jack: Just referencing the technology of the sea people.

Cristina: But, like, they don't have any examples of that. Anyway.

Jack: I didn't find anything, but I can look harder, try to see if there's some mention of specifically what they're talking about. But I think it was a general statement as to the sea people defy God's way by following the path of technology, essentially.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think that's the general idea. I don't think there's more depth to it. I think it's like the usual argument of technology versus nature. I'm God, I am nature. And technology violates the usual. Science is evil because God is better. I think that's the argument. I don't think it's like that specific technology. I think it's just f*** technology because God said so.

Cristina: Well, what are these golem things? They're not technology.

Jack: It's magic. It's magic or it's not even magic. What's stopping it is magic. Then again, what's containing it? I don't understand. I don't. I don't. I don't understand. It's really complicated. The argument would be, yes, it's technology. It's technology using a combination of magic and power and science, which is all three realms which I feel like Earth realm of science. Elfame, the fairy realm of magic, the shadow realm of power. It's using of all three.

Cristina: Somehow the Egyptians had to have been doing something similar. No way. There has been.

Jack: It wouldn't make sense that the Egyptians are doing something and then the Jews are like, nah, that's horrible. Let's do it ourselves. That doesn't make any sense. For that, they should have just infiltrated the existing system and stolen that. Okay, but they leave and come up with a different way.

Cristina: Yeah, but if there is any stories, you should still check to see if there's.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, I'll look into it and.

Cristina: See if I can find anything, because maybe there's not. But it'd be very interesting if there's at least.

Jack: Yeah, I gotta look through all of these things just to answer any questions we haven't been able to answer. So it is what it is. If it's there, I'll stumble upon it. Yes, but that's what we got.

Cristina: That is so disturbing.

Jack: Golems.

Cristina: Golems from a statue in Switzerland?

Jack: Yep. Well, presumably that statue itself is a golem.

Cristina: Golem dressed up as Santa.

Jack: Jewish golem eating children.

Cristina: So horrible. Why. Why did someone want to share this story?

Jack: And it's unknown who funded this either. This is just put in plain sight. Nobody knows who paid for this.

Cristina: I mean, it's nowhere near this church or anything. Right. That'd be crazy. Yeah, that's true. Is there anything near the statue that.

Jack: Nope, I looked.

Cristina: Any churches?

Jack: No, no, nothing important. Nothing relative.

Cristina: Okay. It's just so random too.

Jack: The location, I think that was intentional. I think it's about putting it somewhere that it's hard to connect to the bigger picture so that it stands the test of time.

Cristina: Okay. Whoa.

Jack: Anyways, that's what we got disturbing. So if you guys want to hear about all other things relative to this crazy a** story that keeps unfolding for all of anything, you guys can message us about it. Anything you find when you do that, hit us up on our socials. Twitter now x Facebook, Instagram, tick tock@justconvopod.

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Jack: Show and word of mouth is important. Tell people that we are uncovering truth. The dark truths of everything that Jewish people have sacrificial things to make matzos and then eat that and then pour their blood over clay statues to then make golems.

Cristina: Whoa. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing further though. Thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: S.A. good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Colazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Dots info, art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

August 05, 2023

Rambling 237: Elfame

August 05, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

How does magic factor into the realms? Where do fairies come from? Why does mount Athos have a barrier to magic? The duo unpack magic and it’s source and finally have a breakthrough that could explain the true intentions of the Sea People, the Garden of Eden and more!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Magic
Fairies
Elfame
Mab the Queen of Elfame
Elves
Oros
Naga
The Serpent
Sea People
Advanced Technology
Mount Athos

Episode Conclusions:

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: Your memory host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. As everybody who's listened to this show consistently. No. We've been following a huge narrative and like, overturning every stone we can find adjacent to that. Anybody who's just arrived and has never heard any of our previous episodes, you should probably listen to the last maybe 10 to 15 episodes and like, catch up on what's been happening because it's maddening. But ultimately we've been figuring out that everything in all of time seems to connect mainly through religion. All the religions seem to be associated and be working together for some huge kind of COVID up. And not just a cover up. There's a lot of association between different things. There's a lot of powers at the adrenochromes and ways to cross into the shadow realm that shows itself everywhere. And civilizations that are highly advanced and we call gods, but are simply technologically advanced. But anyways, catch up. One important problem we keep coming across is the reason for people needing to contact the shadow realm or go there. And the most recent question we've been asking is, what the h***? Where does a unicorn come from? What are the fairies? Is the unicorn a fairy?

Cristina: Oh, yes.

Jack: And are the fruits technology? And if they're not technology, the fruits in the Garden of Eden, are they technology? Like Adam and Eve? And if they are not, are they magic? Better question, are they magic? Technology? Or in other words, technology based on magic?

Cristina: No, there's no magic. It's gotta be technology.

Jack: Then what is a fairy tale? Because we know that the gods of the mortal world themselves used to be mortal and have simply, through technological advancement over millions of years, escaped that mortality.

Cristina: So you're saying the fairies might actually be.

Jack: I'm saying the fairies might actually be magic. We know the shadow realm is something else.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Some form of actual power.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But in Earth Realm it doesn't seem to be such a thing. Every time you dig deep enough, it just seems to be technology.

Cristina: Yeah. And these so called magical beings don't really have magic themselves. Like if you were to see them, you'd say, oh, that's like from a fantasy. Werewolf, whatever. But like there's nothing magical about these creatures they're murdering, which is in normal.

Jack: Ways, you know, and it's like even when there is something that might seem like Magic. There's a real biological thing happening, and it's being affected by power. Not magic from the shadow realm, specifically. Yeah, Just direct connection. And it's biological and scientific. You could calculate its effects. You could replicate it, which puts it in the realm of power. Because of science or biology? Well, I guess biology is science. It's science from a different realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But it doesn't seem to work that way with fairies. They seem to easily traverse without the need for these things that affect them biologically. They just have the ability to do it.

Cristina: So you think unicorns are fairies?

Jack: I do truly believe unicorns are fairies simply because they have this ability to just show up. The only other things we know that have the ability to just show up seem to be fairies. Now, this requires a pretty deep dive, but, oh, f****** boy. Did the deep dive payoff deep diving.

Cristina: Into unicorns and fairies or some whole.

Jack: Other thing into unicorns and fairies.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So the main question about fairies is if they can jump from Earth realm to the shadow realm effortlessly. But the beings of the shadow realm have rules to cross, and the beams of Earth realm have rules to cross. They cannot be from either. It doesn't make any sense. At least that is the assumption I'm making. Well, following that assumption paid off. Let us open some of these doors. So, first, fairies exist in every single culture that has ever existed. Without exception. Without exception, without exception. Anywhere you look, they have mentions of fairies.

Cristina: You look throughout the world.

Jack: I looked at anything and everything I could find, and everybody has a mention for fairies. And we're not just talking cultures outside of religion. We're talking within every single religion you look, there are mentions of fairies, and they are never mentioned along God as one of the angels, as one of his. Their demigods is one of a deity. No, they're different.

Cristina: They're different. So the Bible, you're saying, also has.

Jack: The Bible as well? I mean, specifically, when we're talking about St. Patrick, he encounters fairies.

Cristina: Yes, but he's outside the Bible.

Jack: Yeah, but in. Within religion. Within religion specifically. I guess biblical text is more specific. But within religion.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Fairies seem to be everywhere. Now, not only do fairies seem to be everywhere, but they seem to show up simultaneously in all cultures around the very specific point, which happens to be about a hundred B.C.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's where mentions. Now, here's the weirdest part.

Cristina: What?

Jack: The mentions of fairies happened globally around this point. It wasn't like it just showed up here. These people mentioned it roughly around the same week that those people mentioned it.

Cristina: And what what was the timeline again?

Jack: About 100 B.C.100 B.C.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Everywhere. People who could not have crossed the Earth in this amount of time knew about fairies within the same year.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: What, so fairies just showed up everywhere, all at once? Fascinating.

Cristina: That is.

Jack: Every culture, every religion believes in them. They are not angels. They are not associated with any of that.

Cristina: Do you have any idea of why they showed up at that time?

Jack: Cannot tell you why.

Cristina: What do they want?

Jack: Do not know. Now, although all cultures and religions seem to have a shadow realm equivalent, the fairies are, in all instances, not connected to that place either. They are never mentioned as associated with those places.

Cristina: Is there a place they are associated with them?

Jack: We will get there. They are not part of Earthrealm. They are not part of the shadow realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And an interesting aspect is that they are always specifically close to certain beings.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: I notice this pattern immediately, and you'll notice it, too, as I go down this list of just fairies, different kinds of fairies. So gnomes are fairies, goblins are fairies, elves are fairies. Nymphs are another word for elves. I did not know this.

Cristina: Nymphs. Okay.

Jack: Trolls are fairies. Leprechauns are fairies. We know. That's the obvious one. Along with pixies. Yeah, leprechauns. Unicorns aren't mentioned in any culture as fairies. But interesting enough, they're always mentioned where fairies happen to be.

Cristina: Okay, so these two beings might come from the same place.

Jack: They might come from the same place.

Cristina: If unicorns are not fairies, they're at least adjacent.

Jack: Yeah, very adjacent. Very important thing to mention. Now, elves and nymphs are the same thing. This is very exaggeratedly important because in Norse mythology, elves are where?

Cristina: I don't remember.

Jack: They're in Asgard, in a continent next to Asgard. They're up there in Asgard, as part of Asgard, in a continent next to Valhalla. There you go.

Cristina: That's important.

Jack: That's important, because. What are nymphs? Nymphs are just elves. Who uses that word? The Norse. And where are the nymphs? I mean. Yeah, the. The. My bad. Not the. The Greek use the word nymphs, and the Norse use the word elves.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And the nymphs hang out in Olympus with the gods. A pattern, random pattern. Both times the same creatures hanging out with the gods, but they themselves aren't gods. They're treated like gods. So, okay, I dive into elves. What's up? Elves? Why are you hanging out with the gods all the time? Come to find out, in every single culture, Elves have one very specific function. They reign over the natural forces. Mountains and rivers and oceans, all of those things. They keep natural order.

Cristina: Okay, so they are gods. They are gods.

Jack: Sort of. I suppose, if you want to call them that. Some people call them spirits, but again, they're just almost humanoid beings who just, like gods, do the thing or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, following nymphs and elves and all the different variants, they got same thing, different names. One thing keeps popping up. If you try to find out what the h*** they are, there's something called Elfame. Elfhame. I had no idea what Elfame was. And it was vague. It was mentioned over and over in different languages. But you look at what it means, and the word comes as Elfame. I'm like, what the h*** is Elfame? No matter where you go, you bring it back, and it's just Elfame.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And weirdly enough, in a lot of different languages, it's the same word. It's almost like hallelujah.

Cristina: And that's just. And that's just another word for elves.

Jack: No. So I had no idea what this was, and I had to dig pretty hard to sort of figure this out. Right. So Elfame seems to be directly connected to the elves and specifically to be the source of where their power comes from.

Cristina: Where their power comes from.

Jack: Where their power comes from. So Elfhame is some sort of thing. And one of these. The weirdest part about Elfhame is that it's mentioned in every culture and every religion, but mentioned differently everywhere, so that everybody has a separate piece. Weirdly enough, We've seen this before.

Cristina: We have.

Jack: With the sea people. Pieces everywhere.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But no whole picture. You need all the separate pieces to build sort of a puzzle.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And when you put the pieces together, you get an interesting word or phrase. Let's call it.

Cristina: Okay, what is it?

Jack: The realm of Elfhame.

Cristina: What does that mean? That means they come from a place, too.

Jack: They come from a place called Elfame.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes. And Elfame. When you then find what the realm of Elfane means, the most common, weirdly enough and stupid name, is Fairyland.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Fairyland.

Cristina: They're gonna say magic land, but okay, close enough.

Jack: Fairyland. Now, you look into Elfame, the realm of Elfame, and you immediately get one thing that just sticks way out. The name Mab. And when you follow the name Mab to a source, you get the queen of Elfame.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The highest power within Elfhame, the creator of everything within Elfame. Okay, fantastic. Now we're getting somewhere. We have a place and we have.

Cristina: A person who made it, who made everything in there. Okay.

Jack: All of the. I don't know if she made it. I know she's from there and she made everything in there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Was she a product of Elfame or did she make Elfim? Don't know.

Cristina: Who knows? She might have came from here and then.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Who knows?

Jack: Who knows? Now described as the greatest of gods in Elfhame. And then the God of gods. Fascinating. So, stones getting turned over, things to note that immediately showed up. Elfame not only created all things, but through logical breakdown, everything must be removed from by one relative to her.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: We'll revisit that sentence in a bit.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Elves come from Elame. Elves are the human equivalent of Elaine.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're people. Yeah, totally just people. Now, elves like the humans of Earthrealm or the Djinn of the Shadow Realm, come below the God. Right. Elves in the human world, Earth Realm, or the Djinn world, the Shadow Realm, even if they are the human equivalent, are about as powerful, slightly more than the gods of those respective realms.

Cristina: Okay. I mean, the oath are equal to our gods pretty much.

Jack: And to the gods of the Djinn. Very important sentence I found there. They are equal to the gods of the shadow realm. Thus confirming gods in the shadow realm. That's no longer a theory. Because when you're looking at Elfham, it particularly mentions the Shadow realm and actually refers to the elf to Earthrealm as Earthrealm. It differentiates and usually mentions three locations. It's not like Norse mythology that it mentions a bunch of different locations.

Cristina: Okay. Interesting.

Jack: So this actually brings up something we can. We came across in the last couple of weeks. Asgard and Midgard and Helheim. The fact that you can physically traverse these locations tells you calling them realms is incorrect. Those are physical destinations you can reach. Yeah, just like Olympus. You could just climb to the top. Those aren't other realms. Those aren't heavens. It's a place you could just go to as a normal mortal. If they weren't stopping you by force. Just places. According to Elfame and Mav, there are only three. Only three realms.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Earth Realm, the realm of Elfame and the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: And Mab is God again.

Jack: Mab is the God.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So now we have to assume that there is no God as powerful as Mab. It's Mab on top, elves and the gods of the other realms. And then the Djinn and us. Fascinating.

Cristina: How is he much stronger? I don't understand.

Jack: Well, let's go down. What I found of Alphane. Alphane. The realm of the fairies God named Mab. The source of magic in all realms.

Cristina: Come over there.

Jack: What?

Cristina: It comes from there.

Jack: Comes from there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Flows out of Elfame into the other realms. Which actually sides kind of perfectly with things that the Norse suggest. There's a flow in one direction.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This one was very weird. How it showed up twice. And they used very similar language. All other realms orbit Elfame. Similar to how the planets orbit the sun and similar to how the sun orbits the black hole.

Cristina: What's that supposed to mean? I don't get it.

Jack: I don't understand how realms orbit. That's a confusing thought in general. But it showed up twice. This was written a hundred years BC.

Cristina: And we are orbiting them.

Jack: We are orbiting them. I don't know what that means. Because it's a realm. How do realms orbit?

Cristina: Yeah. Weird. Okay.

Jack: Now here is where things start to make more sense. Mab sends elves to the greatest civilizations of every realm to watch over and moderate the power of those beings over lesser beings.

Cristina: What she has.

Jack: She sends elves to the most powerful civilizations of. Of other realms to watch over and moderate their power over lesser beings.

Cristina: So she has some in the Shadow Realm.

Jack: So she has some in the Shadow Realm. This is gonna get way weirder as we keep going.

Cristina: This is pretty weird.

Jack: It's pretty weird. Now we're just deep diving in the magic.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So let's literally deep dive in the magic. Things I found out about magic. So magic can be used in other realms through many different ways. Incantations, material rituals, symbolic movements. Which is weird. I've never thought about that. But that's essentially what waving a wand is. I guess magic can be contained in other realms. This immediately made me think of three objects.

Cristina: Are they? I don't know.

Jack: Man. You exist. Lost the apples, obviously.

Cristina: Oh, well, I thought we weren't sure if those were objects. Like what exactly?

Jack: Well, we don't. We don't know. But that's. It made me think of those. That's all I said. It made me think of three objects. Runes, hexes and curses are all examples of containing magic within one of the realms. That is not Alphane. The flow happens. And you can trap the flow or not the flow we can trap what came in.

Cristina: Are just elves able to use this or we're using these. Two people are using these.

Jack: So actually I tried to establish that and it's incredibly unclear. It seems like the methods to using magic seem universal. Like the elves would contain the magic which is established. All beings of Elfame have magic Inherently within them. But then who's using these things? It's not established who's using these things, but if all the creatures of Elfame already have magic, they wouldn't need these things. They are magic themselves. So presumably these are all ways for the inhabitants of other realms to then use magic. Which, in thinking about runes and hexes and curses, it immediately makes me think of what we've called the gods and we found out are just really advanced creatures. They have not only mastered the sciences of our realm, but have learned how to literally use the magic of Elfhame.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To move farther. Now the picture is getting more complete.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Starting to understand. Little. Little more.

Cristina: And she's not using anything that could be similar to Adam and Eve.

Jack: No, no, she can. She's the actual epitome of what everybody else calls themselves, as when there's claiming to be a God, she can just manifest things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, things about magic. Magic can be used to move things between realms. So not only can the creatures of Alfeim seamlessly traverse between realms, but you can use the magic of Alphane to move things between realms. Basically, creatures within the other realms can use all the abilities that fairies have.

Cristina: Okay, so using the unicorns to do it.

Jack: Using the unicorns to move between realms.

Cristina: Unless there's stories of them using portals.

Jack: Without having fairies, the Elfame do not need portals. They can just move effortlessly between realms.

Cristina: Yeah, but I mean, like the sea people, when they went through portals, they always had unicorns.

Jack: So it seems to be the case that unicorns are exclusive to Mount Athos. And it doesn't seem that they necessarily use them to. As far as we know, because we don't really know what's happening at the very top of Mount Athos. We just know they come down, they trade, they interact. And we know the merry went up and poof, vanished. We also know that the sea people have highly advanced technologies. And we can surmise portal technology because they were moving instantaneously between Cyprus and Athos.

Cristina: Okay. Do you think they're using their portal technology, the portal technology?

Jack: Probably not taking them into any other place. I think it's just staying here. I think it's their way in and out of actual tech. It's. I think it's actual tech.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: Hauntings are a way to attach a shadow realm being to an earthrealm anchor. That clarifies a lot.

Cristina: And who's trying to do that? This release. That part doesn't relate to the elves, does it? Are the elves doing that?

Jack: Anybody who can wield Magic can do that. It's a matter who's doing it. Anybody who's using magic to any degree, whether it's an elf who is magic or a person who discovered magic and.

Cristina: Is using it, just attached a fairy.

Jack: I mean, you can attach a Shadow Realm being to an Earth Realm anchor.

Cristina: That's crazy. Okay, this explains a lot.

Jack: Magic potions can move Earth Realm things into the Shadow Realm. Potion is just anything that you consume, which again, gives us a very specific thing. An apple, Something you can't consume.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Magic can alter states within other realms.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: You can change structure, you can change physicality, you can violate the rules of nature. This gives us a couple of things. It says it could grant youth and it could literally end mortality. But also you can alter natural states of things that exist within the the realms. Rivers, mountains, Specifically mountains is the one that stands out because Mount Athos. Only until the top are no abilities capable of taking place, which means creatures were in fact or people were in fact using magic. And they get to Mount Athos and it just ceases to exist. So there's a barrier there that has been altered. And it seems like this mountain particularly was altered, perhaps by fairies themselves, to remove the ability for there to be magic there. There is something special about Mount Athos that is different to every other mountain. And the sea people have capitalized on that. I do not understand how and I do not understand why, but there is something about this mountain, in particular the sea people.

Cristina: And the fairies.

Jack: And the fairies. The fairies canceled out magic until the summit.

Cristina: That is so weird. What could that be about?

Jack: I do not know. It is very strange. Now, beings of Elfame, beings of elf fame, are generally considered more powerful than beings of the other realms which I established. Elves in Asgard, equal to the humans of Earth, but as powerful as the gods of Asgard. Because they're just humans. They're just the humans of Elfame. They're equivalent to humans, except they're as powerful as the gods. Now, the gods were once human.

Cristina: The gods in our realm, okay, they.

Jack: Were just maybe not necessarily human. That's probably a violation of logic. But like, they were an intelligent humanoid civilization that became highly advanced and discovered the magics of Elfane on top of mastered the technologies of earthrealm.

Cristina: They mostly, most likely came from Earth.

Jack: Yeah, it seems like everything that we have on this side came from Earth because they still need all these other things. They require all these other things. A good breakdown is to say power exists in the Shadow Realm, magic exists in the Realm of Elfane and Earthrealm has science. These are the ways that you advance through all of them. And we understand how to move from Earth realm to the shadow realm. And with enough time and experimentation using our sciences, we can figure out how to cross. And the same way the creatures in the shadow realm, using their power ability, have found a way to cross. But it seems like from either realm, there's no way into the fairy realm. There must be.

Cristina: So you found nothing with the shadow realm and fairy realm?

Jack: Yeah, there's nothing crossing into the fairy realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There's nothing entering the fairy realm, as far as I know. And I was looking, it seems like entirely flows outwards. The only beings who can get there are the fairies, as far as I know. So elves in Asgard that are technically equal to the humans are as powerful as the gods of Asgard. Nymphs in Greece, equal to the humans of earthrealm, but as powerful as the gods of Olympus. So at all points, they are as powerful as the most advanced civilizations that have existed merely through magic ability. They're casually stronger than everything. Second, the elves are stronger than every other. Or more magical is a way to put this. They're more magical than every other fairy within Elfame. The elves are the pinnacle of magic.

Cristina: The elm.

Jack: Yes. There's nothing more magical than an elf.

Cristina: So there's other things.

Jack: There's a bunch of other things. I listed them at the beginning.

Cristina: They're not elves.

Jack: They're not elves. They're all fairies. Elves are also fairies and elves are fairies.

Cristina: Okay. And what's her name?

Jack: Mab.

Cristina: Mab. Is she an elf? Is she a fairy? Is she something else?

Jack: She's a God.

Cristina: She's a God.

Jack: She's a God. She's literally God. She's God of seemingly everything. She's. She's by no other definition, just purely God.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So beings of Elfame, in every mythology and belief system seem to preside and maintain the balance and control of the map and the natural order of all the realms. Mainly rivers, forests, oceans, caves, and primarily mountains.

Cristina: Mountains, okay, Mountains.

Jack: Elves focus primarily on mountains. The most advanced civilizations station themselves on mountains.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: With the only exception being the most advanced of civilizations, the sea people, who opted into the polar opposite.

Cristina: Mountains feel like the point where every realm can meet at whether it's the shadow, Earth or Elfhame. Like you'd have all three meeting up on that mountain.

Jack: I was actually assuming the same thing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I had the same conclusion that especially when you consider that the Shadow Realm and EarthRealm are mirror versions of one another. That even if everything is twisted between the two points, the top of a mountain is still the top of a mountain in both.

Cristina: Wait, how? Like for the fairy? Is it also Amera? Or is it a whole different thing.

Jack: A whole different place? Okay, there's no.

Cristina: Well, it's not established because no one's ever been there.

Jack: Okay, now no one's ever been there. It's completely vague.

Cristina: It could be exactly the same. We had no idea.

Jack: But based on Mount Kaath, we know that the top of a mountain literally connects the Earth Realm and the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: See, People hit it. But that doesn't change the fact that it was literally a focal point where you could cross over. It was a literal gate. And other mountains seem to have some. Some reason that the most advanced civilizations stationed themselves on top of them. And when you don't have a mountain, you make a. What?

Cristina: You don't have a mountain, you make a sea base? I don't know.

Jack: No, you make a pyramid, you.

Cristina: Wait, what?

Jack: When you don't have a mountain, you make a pyramid. Interesting. What is a pyramid if not a man made mountain? Fascinating. Who gave people the technology to make the pyramids? The sea people. The sea people went where under the ocean? They have the ability to build a mountain underneath the ocean. They don't need a mountain. They can just make it. They get how to create the same point that allows the magic of mountains to happen somehow. And from whatever mountain they have that down there, they connect directly to Athos.

Cristina: That is so crazy.

Jack: Where are Jesus gates mostly found at?

Cristina: I feel like mountains.

Jack: Mountains. The answer to mountains. They are a focal point between all realms seemingly.

Cristina: That makes sense. And also all of them would be attracted to mountains because there's plants, magical plants growing on those mountains as well.

Jack: There's magical plans.

Cristina: Magic is literally coming out of those portals because of what's going on there.

Jack: Yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Jack: Literal magic like focal points.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's why the elves focus on these points. The gods are going to chill on a mountain. Well, we got to make sure we keep them in check. Do the elves? So now let us talk about Mab for a bit. Mab made everything. We do not know where Mab came from. There's no explanation. We just know not everything here.

Cristina: Just everything there.

Jack: Mab made everything. And we do not know where Mab came from. Mab could have always been. She seems to be the ultimate version of God. I suppose in theory, Infinitely Being could be a state. But Mab could have been brought into existence. Meaning there's Some hierarchy around her we don't understand. But Mab had three initial creations.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So they're called the Nams in some religions. They're called the Fates in other religions. And they serve a very basic purpose. They are three female deities given powers above the elves, but below Mab.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The three are Calatho, Varandi, and Itsutsuya. And they all have very specific purposes.

Cristina: Is it similar to some raffles?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But. Interesting comparison. Interesting way to. Because there are three. But the first one made was Clatho. And Clatho is responsible for providing life into the realms. She delivers the life directly into the womb.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Verandi is responsible for delivering the purpose into these lives.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And Itsatsuya is responsible for ending those lives.

Cristina: Ending those lives was what, man? What if Adam and Eve are based on that? And maybe what was the other one? The first. What was the first one that Adam, Eve and.

Jack: And Lilith.

Cristina: Lilith, yes. What if Lilith was a machine, too?

Jack: Well, we know that's wrong because Lilith used Adam.

Cristina: We know she was the first to be used with Adam. What if she's Death? But then why would death come first?

Jack: No, it doesn't make any sense. Unless we're using, like, some supernatural kind of. Then again, they do a lot of homework, too. But it could be that death came before all things.

Cristina: That's what I was going to say.

Jack: But here the suggestion is that death and life happen simultaneously. So that also checks out to some degree. But no, because we know that Adam and Eve are within our realm and used by Jehovah. That wouldn't be possible if they're so superior that they're stronger than the elves that would be presiding over Jehovah.

Cristina: No, but they could. I guess that would be just based on what these guys are doing then.

Jack: Well, presumably just everywhere else. They're trying to create life the same way that these goddesses were capable of doing. Okay, but now, sticking to what you've just tried to conclude and failed to conclude, there's one very, very, very interesting thing. Although Mab had three first creations, there is something that Mab has referred to as her greatest creation. We introduce Oros.

Cristina: What does Oros do?

Jack: Well, wrong question. What is Oros?

Cristina: Is where you should have come from? I don't know, because I would just assume it's a fairy, too. I don't know. Okay, what is it?

Jack: Maybe, I guess everything from elfing is considered a fairy.

Cristina: Okay, what makes it different? What is it?

Jack: Well, let me tell you. Oros is referred to as the great Cosmic Serpent.

Cristina: Okay, that Sounds familiar.

Jack: There's a very. I immediately think of Norse mythology. Yes, but no. Small potatoes. Small potatoes. Elfame is guardian of all elves within all civilizations of power. Elfhame watches over the elves.

Cristina: What is elf? Isn't Elfhame the name of the place?

Jack: I mean, not Elfhame. Oros watches over the elves.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Oros watches over the elves in all the civilizations that have great power that the elves are watching over. So the elves watch over the civilizations that the three goddesses deliver life to from the beginning before they're advanced. The three goddesses make the primitive life that evolves into this highly complicated life that then the elves watch over.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Oroz watches over the elves.

Cristina: Okay. That's why there's one snake around us and one snake with the garden.

Jack: Well, yes, you're definitely piecing it together the right way. Weirdly enough, Oros exists simultaneously within all realms and encircling the entire universe.

Cristina: So there's.

Jack: Oros is in more places than Mab. Oros is everywhere. Mab is just an elephant.

Cristina: Okay, so he's not the snake from the garden. Because if that happens to be the case, then are they also. Did they create a realm?

Jack: Well, let me then tell you the next most important piece of this puzzle that 100% answers. A lot. A lot.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Oros is the father of the Naga. The Naga are a serpent race that are distributed one per highly advanced civilization to be part of and assist as required within these civilizations, unlike the elves that watch over the Naga, have one single member of their tribe in each highly advanced civilization, thus answering who the serpent is in the garden.

Cristina: So that means they're in a different. There's another realm. It's a fake realm.

Jack: It's doesn't have. It doesn't have to be a realm. It doesn't. There's nothing about it making a realm. The serpent gets sent to assist.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So it's. So. So, okay.

Jack: There is a God fairy assisting every major civilization in different ways.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Interesting enough, there are three very distinct examples of this. We have the serpent assisting in the garden.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We have the serpent watching over all of the realms in Norse mythology. And we have the serpent punishing people in Greek mythology.

Cristina: Is the serpent punishing people?

Jack: Medusa. Oh, they're all just fairies approaching differently. They're all doing exactly the same thing, though.

Cristina: What is Matsud? Medusa. How?

Jack: While the serpent watches around the realms because the gods, the most advanced civilizations of the Norse ideology, are also watching around. The Greek gods aren't watching s***. They're ruthless. Monsters that go around destroying whatever the f*** they come across. So what is Medusa doing? She's also going around destroying whatever the f*** she comes across. While the gods of Christianity are doing what they're creating, they're building. So the serpent is doing what? It's building, it's creating. It's always aligned with. With whatever the strongest civilization is doing. And it's partaking equally. It's there to assist purely.

Cristina: Oh, snap. Okay. Interesting. That is weird. That is so weird. What? What?

Jack: Fascinating. No.

Cristina: Yes, that makes sense.

Jack: In every case it looks very different, so you'd never conflate them. Yeah, but if you just think of what the gods, quote gods unquote in each one of these scenarios is doing, then the serpent is ultimately doing the same thing. In every scenario, the Asgardian gods are detached or watching from a distance. So the snake is doing what? It's detached, it's watching from a distance.

Cristina: Do we have any snakes in the Shadow Realm that we know about? Do you remember?

Jack: There's no way. I don't know. I have no idea. We can only. We only have the rel. We'd have to somehow get religious texts from the Shadow Realm. And that seems impossible.

Cristina: Okay, yeah.

Jack: But there's some very consistent themes happening here. Every civilization has the elves. Every civilization has the serpents. The serpents are all son of Oros.

Cristina: And these three gods, mini gods, whatever. The goddesses. Where. Where are they? Are they just in the fairy place?

Jack: That is unclear. That is entirely unclear. I haven't the slightest clue. Okay, we don't know where those gods are. We don't know if Elfame. Not Elfame, if Mab ever leaves. Elfame. Okay, we don't know if her three goddesses leave Elfhame. We know that Oros does. But Oros is everywhere.

Cristina: So he's not leaving.

Jack: Yeah, he's not. He's not leaving. He just kind of is.

Cristina: He just is. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: And then he is the father of.

Cristina: The Naga, which are everywhere.

Jack: One her advanced, highly developed God like civilization. Okay, so presumably he gives birth to a new one. When a civilization reaches a certain point and is there to assist objectively. Doesn't seem to bother Naga. It doesn't seem to bother Elfame. Doesn't seem to bother the goddesses. Just there to assist. However the civilization requires.

Cristina: That is so crazy.

Jack: But why? But why? Especially with Naga, the Naga. What are the Naga doing? Why?

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Why are they assisting?

Cristina: Besides that. They were made for that.

Jack: Why were they made for that? What's. Okay, then that's let's ignore the Naga. Their purpose is to do this. Why did Oros make them for that? Also, is Oros short for Ouroboros? Maybe all encompassing snake.

Cristina: Yeah, okay, just.

Jack: Just a thought. I don't know. Didn't say anything about that. That's just me spitballing out here.

Cristina: Huh? But why?

Jack: But why?

Cristina: But why?

Jack: Mab makes absolute sense. God makes stuff. Yeah, fine, great. Sweet.

Cristina: Whatever.

Jack: Everybody else we know is trying to imitate Map.

Cristina: Yes, sweet.

Jack: Fantastic. If we follow the logic we've established a long time ago and there's gods trying to reach the bigger God, pinnacle. Their entire goal is to become map or conquer. Map or enter the fairy realm. Who the h***.

Cristina: Something like that.

Jack: Something like that. We have a direction to look now. And Mab makes goddesses. Right. Okay, this is totally on point with what we would understand. Yeah, checks out.

Cristina: All that makes sense.

Jack: All of it makes sense. Civilization within Elfame totally makes perfect sense. And creating elves to watch over other civilizations totally makes absolute sense. Yes. They're not interfering, they're watching over. Don't get too powerful. Don't harm the little people. Fantastic. Great. So if you created the elves to do this, and then you go out of your way and make Oros, and then Oros decides to make Medusa. Yeah, definitely.

Cristina: Then the God wasn't planning on him doing that. Like, she probably didn't seem to care. Yeah, when she made him, that wasn't part of her plan.

Jack: I'm saying that means something would exist outside of her plan. And then we're back to the whole she can't be with the God of gods. Well, okay, so being the God of.

Cristina: Gods, this has to be part of her plan.

Jack: Does there need to be a plan?

Cristina: Oh, yes.

Jack: I don't know this very Christian of you. Yeah, yeah, but does there need. I don't think there needs to be a plan. My point is, like, why isn't there a conflict of interest here? You make the elves to watch over to make sure they don't. Or is it. Or is it to keep a check on their power? To what? Yeah, the elves watching over the most advanced civilizations is entirely to keep a check on their power. So even if Oros makes the Naga, the Naga aren't stronger than the elves, even if Oroz is. Okay, so that. Yeah, sure, you might help in any manner, shape or form, but the elves are preventing them from ever getting powerful enough to either enter Elfhame or overthrow one of the goddesses. Or overthrow Mabs.

Cristina: There's too many questions. I don't know it's so confusing. I don't know. There's so much happening. Whoa. So many new rules. But it fits.

Jack: It fits. Everything is connecting somehow.

Cristina: I just don't get it. What? Why? That is a good question. Why?

Jack: Why? Why Oros? Why is Oros doing it? If the elves exist again, it could just be. Theoretically, if we were to put this into perspective, it could really be that the elves are there as a cap to the most advanced civilizations. Because we know that these advanced civilizations are trying to establish something and they're sitting on top of mountains, which gives us a clear suggestion. If mountains are the cross through realms. They're probably in every instance trying to get to the fairy realm. But there's some. Some pieces missing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That allows them to understand how to do so. And they can cross. They figured out how to cross between at least EarthRealm and the Shadow Realm. There's many different rules and many different abilities to do so. And they've managed to confine magic in ways to wield it and use it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But never bridge gap to Elfame.

Cristina: It's probably not possible. You think it's possible?

Jack: I don't know. I don't know.

Cristina: But you think if it is possible, these elves are stopping that from happening.

Jack: These elves are probably stopping that from happening. If it is possible. Because specifically said that they're watching over the most developed and advanced of civilizations.

Cristina: What could they possibly care about?

Jack: What could they care about? They're just living their lives right next to the Asgardians.

Cristina: They're jumping back and forth from all these different realms.

Jack: When the Greek gods are called into higher court, the elves join them. Why? You don't want them to conspire and do things you're not aware of. But why?

Cristina: But why?

Jack: But why? It's. It seems like they're designed as a.

Cristina: Cap, I think so just to keep them away from their home, from Elfame.

Jack: So then the question is, we know that a lot of these highly advanced civilizations that we refer to as gods are significantly more powerful than the other fairies. We know this because we have examples of people developing incredible amounts of power. A good example is St. Peter. Exaggerated amounts of power that you could just deflect these things. Easy, casual. There's no way in h***. The sea people can't just s*** on every other elf. Not elf, every other fairy, minus the elves. Interesting enough. I don't know of a mention of elves watching over the sea people. That's interesting. There must be.

Cristina: There must be. They have. They have the snake dye.

Jack: They have. Yeah. The Naga.

Cristina: Yeah, Serpent. So they have to have elves as well. They're mostly not fairies. Unicorns. Unicorns have to be related somehow.

Jack: Unicorns, they don't have unicorns. Are in Athos and only in Athos. Have only ever been seen in Athos. Have only ever mentioned related to Athos. There's no other mention of unicorns anywhere else. And anybody who has talked about them pointed towards Athos.

Cristina: But they were the ones with the unicorns, weren't they?

Jack: They're the ones with mention to unicorns because they're also the ones on Mount Athos.

Cristina: Oh, I thought they were writing down on unicorns on Mount Athos. Yes.

Jack: Never been a mention of unicorns outside of Athos. It seems that unicorns aren't related to the sea people. They're related to Mount Athos. Okay, but also, why the. Aren't unicorns anywhere else?

Cristina: Yes. If they're fairies, many magical mountain tops that they could be hanging out.

Jack: It could be anywhere. Just Mount Athos. There's something about Mount Athos, a specific. Mount Athos is the only place with unicorns that are most likely an animal of the fairy world. And Mount Athos is the only place on earth, as far as we know, that has magic literally disabled from the bottom all the way to the summit. And only at the summit is there. So maybe, in theory, the fairies didn't even remove the magic there. Maybe that mountain stops the fairies from using their ability and showing up. And the only people who have figured out how to do that are the sea people, which would also explain why we don't have elves mentioned with the sea people. Because they've managed to keep the elves away because they can easily disable an entire mountain. They can shut down a whole mountain. That is magic. Or not magic, but a connection between portals. Are the sea people getting too powerful? And that's the real problem. They can again, Mount Athos. They can just stop magic.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: All the way to the summit. You have to meet us where we want you. You can't surprise us. You got to show up where we are, where we want you. You're at a focal point. Ooh. You can't go anywhere.

Cristina: So then maybe they're hiding from fairies because we know they're hiding from something.

Jack: Fair enough. Oh, my freaking God. Are they hiding from the freaking elves? And thus building these technologies using as well as using magics as well, and the bypasses that prevent them, that make them not need adrenochrome. So they don't need adrenochrome to Cross. They have other methods. The fruits, which are essentially magic, which are more powerful than adrenochrome because they can go not only to the shadow realm, but maybe these fruits are allowing them more than that.

Cristina: Like what?

Jack: The ability to cross the fairy realm.

Cristina: No way. Or.

Jack: That is the plan.

Cristina: That's the plan.

Jack: That's the plan. So the sea people cancel out Man Tathos.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And the fairies can't show up there. That's why the unicorns are only there because unicorns are trapped there.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They can't leave.

Cristina: They can't go back to the ferry.

Jack: They can't use their magic abilities to just pop in and out. They're just stuck there.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: And then they just use them to ride around the mountain. F*** that. They're ours. They belong to us.

Cristina: Yeah, on that specific mountain.

Jack: On that specific mountain. And then the top of the mountain is the only place where transactions could happen. But the fairies already know this is a f***** up mountain. We're not going there because then we can get trapped there too. The elves aren't gonna go there, okay? Because they could be trapped there. There's no magic on Mount Athos, and they're literally beings of magic, so they can't make it there. Whatever power they used to disable magic on Mount Athos is the same s*** they were using when they were in the Persian Gulf oasis. But everybody knew where the f*** that was.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So even if we can't magically pop up there, we can magically pop up somewhere else and travel there. So instead, let us go somewhere else and disable magic there where you couldn't get to us without magic, we or our specific technology. But also you couldn't get to us with magic because like Mount Athos, we've disabled it. And you don't have our technologies. So they successfully hide from all of the most advanced civilizations and all of the beings of magic because they just can't get down there. They don't. They can't use magic around Atlantis. Atlantis is a barrier for magic.

Cristina: What? Okay, what does this mean? I don't understand. Is there a bad guy to the story? Maybe there's not. I don't know.

Jack: And are the Naga. The Naga have to be magic, right?

Cristina: Which ones are the Nagas?

Jack: Oh, the Sons of Oros.

Cristina: Wait, why is everyone hanging out with them?

Jack: Exactly. It's so broken.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Is he a traitor?

Cristina: Is he trapped?

Jack: He also isn't teleporting or anything. He's just chilling there. He's one of them.

Cristina: He might be Trapped.

Jack: He might be trapped. He might be. Yeah. He might just be trapped.

Cristina: The unicorns, they might have trapped the snake.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Are the sea people getting really intense? And it's like the Elfham are like, f***. Like, f***. They figured this out underneath our noses.

Cristina: They're just kidnapping them. What?

Jack: Well, the Naga, specifically, yeah.

Cristina: Still pretty crazy.

Jack: The plot thickens.

Cristina: Yes. What does it mean, though?

Jack: What does it mean? Right, right.

Cristina: Nonsense. I don't know.

Jack: What does it mean?

Cristina: What does it mean? Are they. What is the goal?

Jack: What is the goal? The theory is, what we've established now is okay, yes, definitely. Most likely because doesn't make sense for the creatures of Elfame to create a barrier on the mountain because they need to be able to use magic to get there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So somebody else did. But who is on that mountain? The sea people or. They're not on that mountain. They're never going to be on that mountain because it's a traversable location.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They leave only a single spot on the very top. Only a single spot on the very top. Everywhere else on that mountain, magic is impossible. And if you were to go to that spot on the very top, well, you're where they would want you. So there's no way in h*** a fairy would go there. Because you'd be caught.

Cristina: Yes. It also stops. Like Shadow Realm creatures, too, or is it just a fairy trap?

Jack: Well, Shadow Realm creatures aren't magic.

Cristina: Okay, so it just works on magical creatures.

Jack: Shadow Realm creatures, when they cross to this side, in theory, function the way we do, they're just different. Then again. Then again, when we look at the wet judge and when we look at the Djinn, one, they're kind of almost literally shadows. And two, there's an ethereal thing to them. Translucent, kind of ghostly. So I don't know. Power works so differently.

Cristina: We don't know any stories about the sea people using Shadow Realm creatures or anything?

Jack: No, they specifically avoid using even Adrenochrome, which is the original connection to that site. They don't care about the Shadow Realm. The Shadow Realm isn't their goal.

Cristina: Except for Jesus was one of them.

Jack: Jesus, who's aligned with the Shadow Realm, but does.

Cristina: What does he think of the fairies? And what do the fairies think of him?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: I don't understand.

Jack: But now we know why it was important to cast him out. Because people were having visions of them. Yeah, you're gonna go kind of escape. It wasn't to escape the other gods. The other gods have nothing on the sea people they're overpowered. You guys can't do s*** to us. But the fairies can.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: They were hiding from the fairies. They were hiding from something. It was about the fairies. We can't let the fairies know where we are because we're going to keep developing whatever we're developing.

Cristina: So even the fairies are dreaming of Jesus then?

Jack: Maybe. Or not necessarily. Because the fairies can contact somebody who had visions and find out where they are. Okay, but outside the point, because then are Adam and Eve. Their attempt to pause. Dramatic pause, make their own fairies. They have the serpent.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They already managed to make life many different ways with Adam.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They refined it to come up with us. They have the fruits. All of which seem to be magical to some degree.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But they're not done. We need to continue working with this. We need to hide this project and keep working on it. What else could there be it the other creatures weren't trying to get Adam and Eve and the fruits to make life, just normal life. That doesn't make sense. They want their own slave fairies and they know there's only one civilization that's on its way to do it.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: Sea people. The same people that explains the wars that were fought over Alcaraz, the Palace of Alcaraz at the Persian Gulf oasis, the Tanker War. Because they're trying to Anything, anything. They can come up with any shred of information that may help them or guide them or where the f*** are these people? Or how do we get to them? Or how.

Cristina: So no matter how advanced they are, which they are incredibly, incredibly advanced.

Jack: Ridiculous.

Cristina: Probably still haven't figured out how to make fairies.

Jack: That's the point of staying in absolute secrecy. Because once they do come up with their own fairies, if they can make up their own fairies, then these fairies would be. In theory, it would be controlling fairies. That's the goal. And then they would be so exaggeratedly overpowered. Nevertheless, you'd have a way into Helfhain. You'd have literal fairies who. If you can't go in, it doesn't matter. Send your army in just to see.

Cristina: What'S on the other side. That'd be crazy. I mean, it's not just for that, but just to see the other side.

Jack: Proof that we can send something over.

Cristina: Yeah. Whoa. What could this man.

Jack: So the sea people get really, really advanced and they're probably being watched by something. Presumably they're being watched by the elves. Obviously the elves are somewhere. We don't know where, but there's somewhere around them, close, nearby. When they're living in the Persian Gulf oasis. Absolutely. Fine, great. But they make a breakthrough, and. Or they're about to make a breakthrough. They know something that they don't want released. And before they get to that point, there's this kid. People are having visions of this kid.

Cristina: Yeah, like f***. Get rid of this problem.

Jack: We get rid of the lady. She can join us later. She wants to join us, but we got to get rid of the kid. She's on board. She's going to go have the kid. She can join us. Fine. The goal is get somewhere where there's no visions happening of your place. You can take the garden. They have the apples and Adam and Eve. Three people. Three primary people on the project. One is a literal fairy that you've somehow caught. Now, portal technology, Cypress to Athos. But wait, before we do this, let's cancel out Athos, okay? Because we need Mary to get there to could just follow Mary. We're gonna make them not be able to follow Mary. Mary's gonna use a portal to get to Athos. They could never cross the portal because they would just disappear on the other side because magic can't exist there. Boom. Okay, so far so good.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So they cross over. Or if they do cross over to just people. We can f*** them up. It's easy. We'll capture more of them. Maybe they have cap. Holy s***. Maybe that's why we don't hear fairies relative to the sea people. Maybe they did catch all their fairies. Maybe the fairies were doing their job, the elves were doing their jobs and followed Mary through the gate into Mount Athos, where their abilities were canceled. Maybe that was the original purpose. Their abilities get canceled. Now you're just people over here. But we're technology. You cannot f*** with this. Slaves. People to experiment on. Probably you take them across into Atlantis. There's no way down there. It's too f****** deep. There's no technology that people have that can get them down there. It's exaggerated, but they know how to do it. Also, they can cloak themselves. And also they can create barriers of magic. So no other magic creature can get down there and no technology can get down there. Unless you have our technology. And only we have our technology. Nobody else has our technology. So they get down there to get Mary back down there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We never hear from Mary again. Where'd she go? Okay, she's down there. The serpent is down there. The unicorns are stuck on the mountain. They cannot poof out.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They cannot poof out.

Cristina: I don't think so.

Jack: So they're trapped there. But they didn't need the unicorns. Those are our rides out here. They already like Pegasus. They like fancy rides. These are the fanciest of rides. Unicorns.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But the elves are gone too. Mary and the elves are gone. Which is also why having Knights Templar is important. Erase all the data. Erase everything. We can't have anybody catch up. Scientifically. We can't have anybody understand the truth. The more vague the better. Because then we have more time to work on our s***.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're down there. They're working three apples that are magic. The program Adam and Eve. The goal is some cross of these things. It was always a point. The point was always some cross of Adam and Eve and the fruits. That was the goal.

Cristina: Because that somehow equals fairy.

Jack: That somehow equals fairy. Life plus magic equals fairy. Simple. They managed to like runes. The apples are like runes. And we have the ability to create highly advanced life. That's almost at where we are in one shot. How do we cross these magic apples with the ability to create highly advanced life in one shot? Fairy would be the.

Cristina: So is Jesus the closest thing to a fairy that we have. If he ate one of the apples. S***.

Jack: S***. Not only. Oh, f***. I think you cracked something right now. Not only did he not need the apple, but maybe Jesus was the first attempt at this and that's why Mary didn't have a f******. Like Jesus didn't have a father. Jesus was the first attempt at this and it f***** up the first fairy. The first Earth Realm fairy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He was thus explaining the abilities he just had without the technology.

Cristina: Except when people are having visions of him, they still freaked out.

Jack: Yes. Problem.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it wasn't. He didn't see still. Or maybe he did. I don't f****** know. Maybe dying still. Jesus might have. No, he needed the gates. So it was a failed experiment. But that it was still a lot going on there.

Cristina: Yeah. And if they're ever going to try again, it's not going to be anytime soon after Jesus. Because they saw.

Jack: They saw way more perfect. And also they're probably not going to do it in Atlantis anymore the way they did when they were in the Persian Gulf oasis.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They're probably gonna do it on Mount Athos. And that's why nobody's allowed to the top of Athos. Not only is magic prohibited there, but there's a plethora of people stopping others from getting to the top. So though there might just be a lab on top of Athos as well. Is everything else where they would be literally Run. They come through the gate. They show up on top of Athos. Run the experiment. No magical creature can follow that gate, and nobody can get up there without permission. And only one person is allowed up there. And they know that the sea people will wreck s*** if they violate that rule. It's down packed.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Jesus was the first, and it was a failed experiment, but still absolutely overpowered.

Cristina: Ridiculously.

Jack: Ridiculously.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: And then allowed Jesus. So maybe even without the fruit, communicate with creatures in the shadow realm. So Jesus was always hearing some s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But also, what is a feature of fairies? They can cross realms. So if they can cross the realms, they can presumably move through the realms within the realms very easily. That explains people seeing Jesus in many different places at random times. Very closely related. He can just move around a realm even if he can't easily teleport to another realm.

Cristina: But can he go into the fairy realm?

Jack: But can he go into the fairy realm? Well, no. He still needed gates to come back from the shadow realm. So moving through realms, which was your primary goal, still failed.

Cristina: Okay. He's got some fairy elements, but not all of them. Not all of them. Okay. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. And we don't have any news of fairies until I go through all these other cultures. Even Zoroastrianism has fairies, but the sea people in particular have no mention of fairies, particularly the elves, which suggests maybe they perhaps did already capture the fairies and that's how they managed to create Jesus in the first place.

Cristina: That worked out so quickly because it popped up. The fairies popped up here 100 years before Jesus. That's how fast the.

Jack: Easy, quick. Overpowered.

Cristina: That makes sense. That definitely makes sense, because they're already overpowered.

Jack: Another detail here would be that the elves were only sent because the sea people were getting too strong.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: They were the reason that Mabs sent the elves. And so, okay. We didn't manage to stop the sea people, but we kept everybody else in check.

Cristina: What? Yes. Crazy.

Jack: The moment the fairies showed up, they caught him. So ma' am got paranoid. I didn't. I forgot about that detail. They showed up a hundred years before Christ.

Cristina: Yes. That's fast.

Jack: That's fast. They instantaneously caught them.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They knew of other fairies. Fairies have always been around, but the elves had no reason to interact with. And the second. The second they showed up, sea people got a hold of them. They're like, no way. We're stronger. So they were already stronger than the fairies. So they are stronger than the elves that are stronger than most advanced civilizations. Mabs Miscalculated. And that whole fleet of however many caught, including the serpent.

Cristina: That's very big.

Jack: No, not the big serpent.

Cristina: No, that's big. Like for her.

Jack: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: It's crazy.

Jack: The sea people are.

Cristina: They're overpowered.

Jack: They're overpowered. We knew they were powerful. We had no sense of safety.

Cristina: Even to the fairies are overpowered.

Jack: Even to the fairies are overpowered and.

Cristina: Don'T understand how that's possible. I mean, I do, but still it's really strange.

Jack: It's a whole other mess.

Cristina: But we still haven't figured out. I mean, they're still really ridiculous. Oh, man.

Jack: So Jesus is half human or whatever. I don't actually know how sea people are human. There's no way to know that one. But there. He's half sea person.

Cristina: Sea person? Yeah.

Jack: And half magic, which suggests he's half sea person, half fairy. And the halfness is up. His ability to move seamlessly through. And that's the only thing keeping the fairies in Elfame safe. Because he managed to capture the elves and they managed to capture the serpent.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they managed to capture the unicorns. They meant. Okay, magic is not a problem for the sea people. Basically that s*** is just some other bottom ground s***.

Cristina: But they're still worried about something.

Jack: They just wanted to do this in secrecy. That's all it was. They needed to do this. And they don't want people to have visions and perhaps see the tech. Have visions and know what's happening. Have visions and advance themselves based on the visions. Have visions and get there and steal the tech.

Cristina: So don't think they fear the shadow creatures at all. Think that's no problem at this point.

Jack: Unless. No, because. No, because the elves are stronger than whatever's in the shadow realm.

Cristina: And these gods, though, or these. What we would call gods that are not elves.

Jack: Advanced civilizations.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Like they're probably not worried about those either.

Jack: They might be. I don't know. Because the. The. Presumably the creatures in the shadow realm are also aiming to enter Alphane. Everything wants the power of Elfhame, which is the highest grade of power. It's a power struggle.

Cristina: Yes. That the sea people are obviously winning in by miles.

Jack: Everybody else is being kept in check by the elves. The sea people are keeping the elves in check. That's where we stand.

Cristina: Okay. Whoa. How's that possible? But it makes sense. It makes sense. Jesus makes sense now.

Jack: Jesus makes absolute sense. We know what Jesus is. We know why Mount Athos doesn't allow magic. We know that making Mount Kaath disappear is just hindering more creatures from figuring s*** out. We know that hiding away from the Oasis and going into Atlantis is just a way to make reaching them more complicated. Go to the furthest down bottom part of the ocean and they're gonna struggle. So there's no way to get to you. You're too far down. There's no tech that can get to you. Only you have the tech to do it. And then you could work on the apples, Adam and Eve. And you had one person get crooked. You your risk. Get rid of Lilith.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Jehovah and the serpent remain amongst whoever else is there. That might be some background helping hand. But the serpent is very important because they're there. The serpent had maybe one of two options. You can assist or die. Or f****** die. Be an experiment like the rest of them. Yes, but one directive to assist. Maybe it wasn't even a threat. Maybe the serpent's job is just to assist.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And there's not even a question. Maybe it's like, yeah, whatever, I'm here for that.

Cristina: Oh, yes. Like, they don't have to threaten him.

Jack: They don't have to threaten him. The elves had to be threatened. Captured, subdued. Dude tested on the serpent is probably one of the ones testing on them.

Cristina: And also being tested on like.

Jack: I mean, the serpent's probably down. Yeah, like, whatever.

Cristina: Yeah, sure. The job.

Jack: Yeah, my job is to help. However.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's all I got.

Cristina: That's crazy. That's crazy. The answer is a lot.

Jack: The answer is a lot. We're getting. We're getting somewhere. And now we know about fame.

Cristina: Whoa. What? Like, what could. How. Where could we go from here? It feels like so much has been solved.

Jack: Yeah. I think everything of earthrealm has been solved. I think everything of earthrealm has been solved. Now there's probably random, obscure, useless questions that are left.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But now to find what details of Elfamer missed out and if the Shadow Realm is really involved in the same quest, which I do believe might be the case.

Cristina: I think so. I think they are. But yes. Let's find out.

Jack: Anyways. If you guys are enjoying what is being found here and you have any input, if you're making connections that we're not. Tell us, tell us. Send us messages. You can reach us on all the socials. Just convopod on TikTok, Facebook, Facebook, Instagram.

Cristina: And X. Oh, so dumb. And X, remember to subscribe and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And tell everybody we're figuring out the thing that's probably gonna get us murdered, but nobody wanted us to know specifically. The sea people were, like, busting that. That case wide open. They're gonna come for us eventually if we suddenly just stop making episodes. You know, this is se people. They got to us.

Cristina: Yes, this has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening. Bye. S.A. good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister, with social media managed by Amber Black.

July 22, 2023

Rambling 235: Norse Mythological Adrenochrome

July 22, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Does Norse Mythology mention the Shadow Realm? Did the Vikings also have adrenochrome and a method of acquiring it? What did the Luciferians and the Viking discover about mysticism that could help us understand Jesus, The Sea People, The Shadow Realm, Adrenochrome and the Garden of Eden? The duo continue to unravel the ever connecting web of lies and deception perpetrated by the Knights Templar and the governments of the world. What they discover about the Garden and Jesus changes everything we thought was true!

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Niflheim
The Viking blót sacrifices
Edda
Norse Mythology
Lucifarian Blood Sacrifice
Fetus Consumption
Heaven Realm
Earth Realm
Hell Realm
The Realm of Fog and Mist
The Shadow Realm
Three Fruits in the Garden of Eden

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+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And last week, we went down a pretty interesting rabbit hole that told us a lot of things about this ongoing, seemingly infinite narrative that continues to develop about, I guess, everything about the sea people, about adrenochrome. We were specifically finding out about the different parts of adrenochrome that I didn't know existed. We've been clumping adrenochrome together, thinking it was just one thing, but we found out it was three. It's the nectar, which is the liquid. It's ambrosia, which is the. The organs. And it is ichor, which exists after somebody has consumed adrenochrome.

Cristina: That's their blood or something?

Jack: Yes, that's your blood. It's basically distilled adrenochrome. You consume adrenochrome, process it through your own body, extracted. Now you have a more pure adrenochrome called ichor.

Cristina: Where did the original one come from? Not the ichor, the other one.

Jack: Nectar.

Cristina: Nectar, yes. What's that?

Jack: That's the blood.

Cristina: Okay. But that's just normal.

Jack: That's adrenalized blood.

Cristina: Adrenal. Okay. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. That's adrenalized blood and then adrenalized organs that were in the body of somebody who is high adrenaline.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Those two are while alive, and then the other is after it's been processed through somebody's body.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, consuming ichor is so pure that it can kill people. But if you want to know about that, go revisit the older episode that happened last week, because now we have something a bit different. The conversation that led us there opened a lot of thoughts, and it gave a lot of insight into things that we hadn't considered before.

Cristina: Yeah. It got us to compare Christianity to Greece mythology.

Jack: Greek mythology. Yes. And in doing so, a couple of things came to mind. One, the fact that entire human sacrifices, the firstborns, organs, blood, and the distilled version of this, which is even more impressive. More blood. Okay. We went through Greek mythology, Christianity, to land at these locations. But those aren't the only belief systems that have mentioned this in the past. And another real ancient system that I figured could give us insight was, in fact, Norse mythology.

Cristina: And you found stuff.

Jack: Obviously, you found stuff. So from last week's, episode. Three questions were asked based on what was informed, because, again, we found different ways to access the shadow realm as well, which explains the portals that Jesus had in the ichor. And all these things. All these things. Just really complicated series of things. The three questions that came to mind, what Norse mythology's connection to the shadow realm is. What Norse mythology's connection to human sacrifice and the three branches of adrenochrome are.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Jack: And unrelated to that system. After we established that Christianity has a lot of mention and Greek mythology has a lot of mention of consuming humans, oftentimes children, hence the firstborn, and sacrificing the child, and literal animal sacrifice from Cain and Abel, which might be a metaphor for a child. All these things, it made me wonder. One of the most controversial and direct versions of child sacrifice is abortion. And one of the main forms of abortion, other than the obvious, the clear, the. The. The unavoidable one where women straight up go to a place, a fetus is extracted and taken, who knows where. You're done, you exit, your job is done, you dropped off the fetus and you leave. We know that if everything else were to assume about adrenochrome is true, then that fetus is being used in something twisted, which is a whole deep dive for the future. But as we're looking into mythologies, specifically abortion brings up an interesting group of people who are well known for performing abortions, which is Luciferians.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. Instead of going through the science aspect of these Planned Parenthood places and abortion centers, which is obvious what they're doing, let's approach this from a mythological standpoint and a belief system. And then in the future, we'll go to the scientific angle of the same thing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, Luciferians call it a blood sacrifice. By the way, it is hard as h*** to find anything on Luciferians. I did not realize how complicated tracking this would be. Almost nothing.

Cristina: Super secretive.

Jack: Super secretive, I guess, because it would be too many similarities with obvious things. So it's a huge suppression effort from anybody who's okay with abortion to begin with because you don't want these two wires to get crossed and people be like, wait a minute. So this is gonna be the shortest part of this conversation. And it is also probably absolutely the darkest. So I will warn anybody listening, this is gonna get really f***** up. I usually don't give a warning, but this is about children. This is pretty f***** up. And this is recorded. These are things that people have done and that sometimes still happen today.

Cristina: Okay. So the stories that you have found. These are like people who witnessed it that were not part of the group because they were not gonna like. No one in the group is sharing these secrets.

Jack: They are totally fine with sharing these things because there's no proof of anything.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They are absolutely stories. As far as we know. There's no way to prove it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Because the. The self proclaimed Luciferians gladly will share this information because how do you prove it? So they call it a blood sacrifice and it is the purpose of it. This is first of all where I'm like, oh s***. There's a lot of similarities already. It's performed to create. And these words are very important because we're going to revisit them later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Blood sacrifices are performed to create a strong connection with gods of the other realm. Interesting. Very specific word selection. I came across gods of the other realm often time naming one of these gods Lucifer. Less relevant, just important information, I suppose, for the sake of Luciferianism.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But it's created to. They're performed to create strong connections with gods of the other realms. Of the other realm. They say realm exclusively gods of the other realm. Now, allegedly performing the ritual grants the participants abilities, youth and immortality, which we've.

Cristina: All come across with just looking up.

Jack: Adrenochrome, picking up adrenochrome, small detail that is going to give us a lot of insight that we haven't heard anywhere else though it gives ability, youth and immortality and the ability to hear the voices of the gods of the other realms in your mind.

Cristina: Oh my gosh, the Bible makes so much more sense though. Oh my gosh, the Bible makes so much sense now.

Jack: So many questions.

Cristina: Nobody was speaking to them. That's why we don't hear him anymore. Oh my gosh, that is so wrong.

Jack: But who says they do hear God? The priests? The Pope. Do you see? No.

Cristina: Oh my gosh, it's so happening.

Jack: Also, can the Pope still hear the voice of God? Oh, those under the crown are talking directly to God.

Cristina: Oh no. Oh, what?

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. And this is going to inform future information which we'll get to.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: How the ritual takes place. The blood sacrifice ritual. A pregnant woman, about six to eight months of pregnancy. The baby is extracted, oftentimes in the woods, forcefully. Kill. Extracted and killed. The body of the child is opened, starting at the chest between the ribs and lowering till right before the pelvic bone and that is torn open. The blood that builds up in the cavity is scooped up and they cover themselves with it on their skin. This reminds me of the countess who used to kill her maids. So they cover themselves on their arms, they cover their face, they cover their neck, they cover their chest, they cover their arms, their arms and their legs.

Cristina: This is way more disturbing. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: They remove the organs of. From the body and consume them raw.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They consume the organs of the fetus or infant raw, whichever one you want to call it. And they sometimes engage in an orgy as the ritual is performed. Hence the blood orgy title. That's the only way I found this through blood orgy, ironically. Okay, Ironically, the only way I found this was through South Park. I typed that in. So they must have gone down the rabbit hole too and found this s*** through there. Because I couldn't find crap until I typed in blood orgy, which I remembered from south park and linked me back. And now a whole bunch of doors of Luciferianism opened.

Cristina: That is crazy.

Jack: And the most important thing about the ritual is the mother is the only one allowed to consume the child's heart. I don't understand the significance of that. Nothing was elaborated on that. This is part of the ritual. The mother is the only one allowed to consume the child's heart.

Cristina: Maybe it's just so special to this baby. It's a treasure. It's her treasure she's giving back to herself, I guess.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: It's some weird. Whatever. That's the sermon. Okay, so they eat its.

Jack: They cover themselves in its blood and they eat all its organs. And only the mother can eat the heart. And it gives them the ability. It gives them abilities, youth, immortality, and most importantly, it gives them the capacity to hear the voice of gods from the other realm.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. What?

Jack: Dark.

Cristina: That is so dark.

Jack: That's dark. Dark.

Cristina: I don't.

Jack: That's the deep end. But necessary to go through in order to realize. Yes, the abortion ritual, which is the best way to call this for the understanding of other people, the abortion ritual is acquiring nectar and ambrosia. Interesting enough, it doesn't mention anything about them drinking the nectar. They're just covering themselves in it, which tells us ambrosia is more powerful than nectar because they're still consuming that part of it.

Cristina: Okay. And I mean, but it's still in it, like, too.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: It's filled with the matter. Yeah.

Jack: And what's most interesting about this is the ability to hear the voices of the gods from the other realm. This is interesting because we haven't stumbled upon this before, which means just having adrenochrome doesn't do this. Or just having ambrosia doesn't do this.

Cristina: No, but Jesus's story makes so much sense now.

Jack: Jesus, the narrative kind of clarifies a lot. A lot.

Cristina: It makes it what he does. Not even weird for that time because they were already doing stuff like that for God. Anyways.

Jack: Like now, to answer a question, this was first question. How does abortion relate? Answered how abortion relates to adrenochrome.

Cristina: Life changing. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Now, going back one question to what the connection between human sacrifice and the Norse is. The Norse are basically Vikings. We say Norse mythology in order to allow people to. Because we can't say Vikings and then have to make the connection every time the Norse allows people to just instantaneously understand the people who believe in Norse mythology.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But to elaborate, the people who believe in Norse mythology are the Viking.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Those were the people who believe in the north in the Norse mythology. Now, before we dive into what Norse mythology is exactly, and how this has informed our. Our information and everything we've been connecting and the fact that it is obviously one big picture broken up into fragments.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Vikings do in fact have a connection to adrenochrome. They have what is called the blot sacrifice. Oh, and in the blot sacrifices, they sacrifice to the gods in order to acquire things in return.

Cristina: What are they sacrificing?

Jack: Humans and animals.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And oftentimes these humans and animals are hung. But let's follow this next important detail. They are hung in ritual locations with, and I quote, strong connections to the gods and the other realm, of course.

Cristina: Okay. The other realms. Okay.

Jack: Which is exactly what happens in the blood sacrifice. The point is to get a stronger connection to the gods.

Cristina: Oh, that's why they're doing in the woods.

Jack: Yes, exactly. Where are the Vikings hanging their sacrifices? From trees in the woods, in areas with strong connections.

Cristina: They wouldn't happen to have mountain, a mountainy area, would they?

Jack: Well, we will answer that eventually.

Cristina: Okay. Just for some reason popped up Moses on his mountain. Like, why didn't we think of that too? Like, mountains have become much more important to the story.

Jack: Much more significant, the fact that Moses went up to a mountain and came down with not only information that transcends the capacity of humans, but saying he directly spoke. Spoke to God and his face was glowing.

Cristina: Actually.

Jack: Was his face going? I think his face is going. No, it was the other guy who saw his shoulder or some crap. Right. Something like whatever. He came down. Super awesome. Yes, because he went up a mountain and spoke to God. God's on top of mountain.

Cristina: And we have heard that he's on top of mountain.

Jack: Like we have heard that. Yeah. Okay, now about the blot sacrifices. The blood from the sacrifices are collected in bowls and twigs used to splatter the blood on the altar, on the walls and on cult participants. They're not drinking it, they're putting it on themselves. The same way of the. As the blood sacrifice.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the blood sacrifice is the English translation almost of the blot sacrifice.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The Vikings were performing a abortion sacrifice, but not necessarily with a fetus or an infant, just with people. And the hanging, I'm presuming, creates the most amount of fear because, you know.

Cristina: But they're not eating this.

Jack: Well, interesting enough, the next part of this is the fact that they do extract the organs from the bodies.

Cristina: Is it just animal bodies or you're.

Jack: Saying it's humans and animals alike? Oh, humans and animals are hung in the woods. Their blood is collected in bowls, splattered the blood on the altar's walls and on the cult participants. And the meat is collected, eaten by all in attendance. Identical. Identical with the intention of what? To get. To get something to connect to the gods and get something in return from them, which they believed were the abilities they were acquiring, which they believe was the youth they were acquiring. Which they believe was the immortality they were acquiring. But doing the sacrifice was the only way to what, engage with the God in the first place?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh, communication with God.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: So this there have been important, important, important. We've established something like this long ago. If there's enough concentrated fear within a region, a being from the shadow realm can cross over. The less there is, the harder it is, the more ghost like you are. But the more there is, the more solidified you become. Until you can completely cross over without the need for a gate. Okay, what's happening here is exactly that. They're either creating a mental connection, so it's the faintest when it's just a infant was killed and you guys consume and drown and put it on your bodies. You cover yourself in the baby's blood, you eat the baby's organs, and you start hearing all the effects that we know of. Adrenochrome happen. And then you start hearing the voice in your head. This is bare minimum. Nobody's scared here. Baby's dead. Nobody's scared here. You guys are looking happily to get here. And still the lowest frequency of what you've done in a high concentration area. You can still hear it, but a lot of Fear a lot of collection a lot of something. And you can directly interact with the God, which is what the Vikings have. You hang the people from the trees. A lot of fear in an area. The area is already suspected to have high concentration, many bodies hanging from trees. You concentrated it, and now you have more access to these beings. The rules apply cleanly as we established them before.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There is a degree. It's by degree. It's a slighter. The more. The more clear your connection is.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: Now let us dive into what Norse mythology actually is, because this is going to inform a whole other s*** store of things. First, Norse mythology predates Christianity by about 2000 years. It is called the EDDA. That is in its language, the EDDA focuses on a giant tree that connects all of the nine realms. It's an immense central tree. And above, there are places. Below there are places, and around, there are places. And we consider these the realms.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now let's go through these realms. There is a realm called Muspelheim. This is the Land of Fire. Sounds very similar to Hel. It's just lakes of fire and rivers of fire. And a lot of fire.

Cristina: A lot of fire. Are there creatures of fire? I guess.

Jack: Things of fire. All of these places got creatures that are native to them.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Asgard, the realm of the gods, AKA heaven. Right. Okay.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Located dead center of the tree. Directly above it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Floating above it.

Cristina: Where's the fireplace located?

Jack: Below the tree.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes. It's. You got to go downwards from the tree to get there directly. Center of the tree, below it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, within Asgard, there is a place called Valhalla. And Valhalla is where people go when they die. And they are honorable. Literal gates of heaven.

Cristina: Yes. For the best lords or whatever.

Jack: Then we have Midgard. Midgard is where the base of the tree is.

Cristina: Is that Earth?

Jack: This is Earth. This is what we would call the Earth Realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Now.

Jack: Jotunheim, Home of the gods.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Of the giants. My bad. Home of the giants. Dominated by mountains, rivers and forests.

Cristina: Mountains, is it. Where is it on this tree?

Jack: Weirdly enough. This falls next to Midgard.

Cristina: Okay. Seems very reachable.

Jack: Very reachable. Vanaheim. Home of the Vanir. The Vanir are ancient. An ancient branch of gods. They're the gods that predate the Asgardian gods.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The location of this is actually unknown. What? But it is only accessible through Asgard.

Cristina: Okay. So it's up in Heaven.

Jack: It's up in heaven.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's another level of Heaven or somewhere around Heaven. That's a weird one, isn't it?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then there is Alfelheim, home of the Light Elves. Important what I'm about to say. This is located next to Asgard. This is the third place in heaven.

Cristina: Okay. The elves live there.

Jack: Light Elves are the gods of nature.

Cristina: Okay, that makes sense. Okay.

Jack: Now this one's complicated. Svartalfheim. Svardofeim. Okay, so this one is the home of the dwarves, located underneath the crust of the earth.

Cristina: That's its own realm.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Helheim, home of the dishonorable dead.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This is where the punishment happens.

Cristina: That's also in the bottom, somewhere below.

Jack: Now, let's put this into a perspective. I only mentioned eight for a very specific reason. We'll get to the ninth one in a moment.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If we're going to put this in an image that we can understand clearly, we would say the Christian heaven contains Asgard, Vanaheim and Alfelheim. Thus the realm of the gods, realm of the old Gods, and realm of.

Cristina: The elves, which are still gods.

Jack: All in heaven? Yes. These are all kinds of gods.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Different realms at this point is losing its meaning and becoming more of continents, countries, something along those lines. We got to think of them as. Okay, within Asgard, there are two other important locations. So Alheim is where the brave go when they die during battle. That's the other side of Heaven. Of Heaven. Of the. Of Valhalla.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's. It's interesting because all four Alfelheimer is what I'm talking about, because Alfelheim is where the Light Elves go. And then Folkvanger, which is where the other half of the brave go. They don't go together. They get split into two groups, both for the honorable. Okay, so there's just many locations in Heaven.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Different areas in Heaven.

Cristina: Sure. Where the gods, angels, and, I guess the humans that deserve to go up there.

Jack: The easiest way to think about the elves is that they're angels. Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's the easiest way to think of the. The elves. It's two different eras of gods and angels. But there's something important about laying it out like this that matters a lot because it tells. It informs our view of Earth even more. The fact that we come across Zeus and Jehovah coexisting. But we look at this layout, and even within Heaven, they've got their own.

Cristina: Territories, which we feel like on Earth, they all have their own territories.

Jack: Most importantly, we're talking just elevation. Like I said, the way we're describing Realms. When we're talking Norse mythology, it doesn't seem like you cross some magical threshold or become a different physical type of thing. It looks like they're just physical spaces that coexist.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And when we're talking about Asgard and Vanaheim and Apelheim, we're just talking about high altitude. Yeah, the highest of altitude. Which reminds us of things like Olympus.

Cristina: Which is right there.

Jack: Station on top of a mountain.

Cristina: Yeah, the highest mountains.

Jack: The highest of mountains.

Cristina: In this case, the highest of trees.

Jack: Well, they're not placed on top of the tree.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Just know they're over the tree.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It says floating, but they're just over the tree. We know they're over the tree. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Weird that they're just physical spaces.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: No transcending anything. You just. If you had a plane back then, you could just reach them. Weird. Now, what we're gonna call the Christian Earthrealm contains Midgard, home of the humans. Jotunheim, home of the giants.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Svaltalheim, home of the dwarves.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Dwarves are just below the crust. That's still physically Earth.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Specifically says that they. You can reach them through caves.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's not a complicated. Like, nothing is happening here. That's crazy. No, they're just underneath the ground. The end. Not even far underneath the ground. You just. You can get there through a cave.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we got giants. They hang around the mountains and in the woods. We got the humans hanging in the plains and in the forests, along with some giants who also hang out in the forest. And then we have the dwarves that hang out underground and inside caves and whatnot.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Very Earth like atmosphere.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Important that the giants are often closer to mountains because mountains in Greek mythology are where the gods are hanging out. And the giants climb the mountains to attack the gods.

Cristina: Yes. And they're supposedly giants in the Bible.

Jack: But the giants in the Bibles aren't hanging out in mountains. Neither is God. Well, except when he was talking about Moses.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh, s***. So in every case, we have gods on top of mountains. Always.

Cristina: And we have giants and we have.

Jack: Giants, but we don't have giants at mountains in Christianity. We do have giants and mountains in Norse mythology. We do have giants and mountains in Greek mythology, but we don't have it in Christianity. Just patterns, weird consistencies. And the fact that again, we have all of Earth realm seem like a physical space.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The traversable physical space. You could walk to all these locations.

Cristina: Although they only took the dead to those locations.

Jack: None of These I have mentioned, are where the dead are.

Cristina: The ones in the.

Jack: Oh, the ones in heaven. Yeah, the heaven equivalent.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which is weird, right? This very Dragon Ball Z esque scenario where you could just like, well, I'm gonna go see dad after he died, and you'd literally just go shake hands with him and King Kai's planet or some crap. That's a weird one. Like, no, he's just over there. That comes down sometimes. He chills with us.

Cristina: Dragon Ball seems closer to his truth.

Jack: Yeah, it seems the case might be. Now, the Christian h*** still in Norse mythology, is divided into two parts, which is Muspelheim, the land of fire, and Helheim, home of the dishonorable dead.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: These don't seem traversable anymore. Unless we're talking really, really, really, really deep into the Earth, which also seems to be, how the narrative goes. A physically reachable place. It's a m*********** to get to. The hardest to get to of all these locations, you're closer to get to Asgard than you are to h***.

Cristina: But it's right under us.

Jack: It's right under us. You can get there. Yeah, you can get there. And just as we have giants before mountains, before heaven, we have dwarves before the crust, before h***. There's always something, some creature buffer between these two locations. It's very important that we keep in mind buffer creatures.

Cristina: Buffer creatures.

Jack: Buffer creatures. Very, very interesting that we have a lot of that. Now, the last realm that I've not mentioned is called Heffelheim. And Heffelheim is described as the land of mist and fog, a hazy, unclear, unsure place that is somehow connected to the tree that connects everything else. But just like the one location in Asgard is unclear where this is really at.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's not a place of punishment or a place of reward. It's more like Earth, but a warped version of it that's unclear and foggy and jumbled in a way which sounds almost identical to the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: What? I think it's the shadow realm.

Jack: Interesting enough. Christianity also has its version of this. It's Limbo.

Cristina: Oh, that's.

Jack: It's a. Not punishment, not reward kind of Earth, like wasteland, other thing.

Cristina: Yeah, the shadow realm. What's that place called? The misty place.

Jack: Niflheim considered the Mist World.

Cristina: The mist world. Is there anything in the mist world, did they say?

Jack: It's not specific. There are, like, creatures. There's a lot of fog, there's some river. That's actually where the tree gets its water from.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Gets his Water from the mist world.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Think about this. The tree connects every other realm and gets its life source from what's essentially the shadow realm. What are we learning from this?

Cristina: I don't. I feel like we're learning something. I haven't learned something.

Jack: I don't know what it is.

Cristina: I don't know what it is. But it feels important.

Jack: It does feel important. Right? There's some greater significance to our entire. Everything. All versions of it. Heaven, h***, Earth. All relying on the existence of the shadow realm somehow.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Our power source is the shadow realm. And we know there's a natural flow from that way this way. But we have to unnaturally access that location. It is a one way street. Normally speaking.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Life comes from. But life doesn't go to. We have to cheat our way over there.

Cristina: Which I guess is a good example of the tree taking life from it and not giving anything to it.

Jack: Exactly. We cheat our way. We come up with adrenochromes and we come up with Jesus gates and. But ultimately it should be a one way street. We're just breaking that rule.

Cristina: Yes, but why is it a one way street?

Jack: Why is it a one way street? And why is everything dependent on that? Why is it in Norse mythology is claiming it is the source of the tree's life. And the tree sustains life of everything else. All the other realms rely on the tree. This is the most important detail. All the other realms rely on the tree. And the source of the life for the tree is its most insignificant of places.

Cristina: So how is it related to us?

Jack: I have no idea. I have no clue how that came to be.

Cristina: Interesting. We'll figure something out. I know we will. But it's. It's interesting.

Jack: Now in Norse mythology there is a very important detail. Usually if you are not a person with the capacity and natural ability to cross from realm to realm, you use the tree to get there. Usually gods can easily move from one to the other traverse. Presumably because going to heaven means you gotta fly or some PS like that. Going to h***, you gotta cross. Crazy. Maybe only the dwarves know the way. Or the people who from h*** know the way. And so you need special information or special abilities to access things. But the tree has all the answers. If you wanted to get there and weren't one of the knowing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Although there's no understanding of how to get the Niflheim. You can access it through the tree.

Cristina: What?

Jack: You can go to the tree and one of its roots will lead you straight there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Also, there are three routes total. And they spread out in different directions.

Cristina: And they all take you somewhere.

Jack: One of which. The other two are completely insignificant. They don't go any more important because what they do is completely different.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The tree will give you the information you require. That is why you go to the tree to learn how to access some of these places.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The tree as being connected to Asgard and being connected to Midgard and being connected to Helheim and all the other places can also provide somebody who completes the trees trials with the abilities that are provided to the inhabitants of these locations.

Cristina: What? There's a trials? What?

Jack: Yeah, the tree can give you trial. It's a tree of everything, can give you trials that will give you God abilities or abilities of those in h*** or creature abilities. Yeah, you go through these trials to accomplish these things. A tree can provide trials. A tree doesn't talk to you or anything. It'll just. Trials will become apparent. I'm not sure how. Yeah, I guess you stand in front of and hallucinate or something. There's a whole other conversation about what this tree is supposed to f****** be.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: But the most important part of this tree is it. There is a route that guides you where there's no other way to access. That is an incredibly important sentence. The two ideas are, there are three routes to this tree. One will give you the knowledge you need, one will give you the ability you need, and one will allow you to traverse a distance you need. This is important because the Garden of Eden claims to have two trees. One with knowledge and one with life. Immortality, the power and the knowledge. But you dig deep enough into Christianity and you come across the Tree of Cavalry, which isn't a literal tree. It is the piece of wood that Jesus Christ was nailed to. It is the cross. They call that the Tree of Cavalry because it is wooden.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If you avoid Christianity and you go to the original texts that were translated into Christianity and translate them yourself. That very Tree of Calvary was cut from a hunk of wood that came from the Garden of Eden.

Cristina: How?

Jack: Because it was part of Jesus's plan. He brought the wood.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Oh. And he got crucified on the wood. Although nobody knew where it came from.

Cristina: It was part of his plan.

Jack: There was a ritual that took place. Oh, my gosh. There's a ritual that took place with somebody dying. Jesus Christ.

Cristina: Knew how to come back.

Jack: It'll allow him to traverse an impossible distance into another realm.

Cristina: How do you get that wood? Who let him in?

Jack: Somebody let him slip in. Or somebody brought it out.

Cristina: His Mom.

Jack: His mom wasn't allowed back in until she had. Until he was dead.

Cristina: But maybe she had it with her.

Jack: They wouldn't have kicked her out with it. They were supervising that lady at every corner. But there is a question there. There is a literal question there.

Cristina: Where did he get it?

Jack: Where did he get the Tree of Cavalry? Which, by the way, weirdly enough, if you translate it backwards. Not translate backwards. You find the original text and translate it without the edited versions and the warped text that they come up with.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: They call it the Tree of Soul. That's the literal, exact translation. I don't know why the Tree of Cavalry is how it ended up, but.

Cristina: So you got the knowledge.

Jack: If knowledge, you have life and you have soul. The Tree of Soul. Spirit. I don't know what the relevance of the word soul is, but if we call it that, maybe we'll think of it differently. It's a tree of soul. Jesus Christ acquired a piece from a tree that would allow the consumer of the fruit of that tree. And by the way, this took a lot of digging to find out. The consumer of the fruit of that tree. Yes. It also had a fruit like the other two trees.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: To, like a fairy at will be able to cross through realms. What, like a fairy?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: As we know, the fairies are the only beings that are neither from here nor there that can easily hop in and out of Earth realm and the shadow realm, like nothing. Which also suggests the third realm, which would fall in line with Christian beliefs in the first place. No, I don't know where the they're from. I just know they can enter the shadow realm and Earth realm easily. We haven't really established where they're from. We just know that the fairies can kind of hop in and out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're the only things we know that don't require any kind of anything else. Yeah, and that's how they actually made the deal with, presumably, Santa Claus, who has the tightest grip on all this s*** to begin with. Again, you guys can find that in another episode, of which there are many.

Cristina: Okay, so he somehow managed to get a piece of this tree and the fruit of this tree?

Jack: No, he managed to get a piece of the tree because I believe he couldn't. I think acquiring the fruit was harder. Maybe it would have been too obvious. So they removed the piece of the wood, and then getting crucified on the wood allowed him to now have something relative. Maybe it wasn't even about him crossing. Maybe he required this as part of the ritual that would allow him to hear a voice in his head.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: From the other side.

Cristina: So I don't think this thing was already talking to him.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Or maybe he did perform some other ritual. He did have that thing about the flush, you know?

Cristina: Yeah, I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. There's a. It brings up a lot of questions.

Cristina: Yeah, he's doing a lot of things.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Where did he get this lid? How? It's from the Garden of Eden. And you don't think Mary was a.

Jack: P. Oh, I'm actually f****** up a little. Eating the fruit actually requires the consumer to die before they get the abilities out of the way. Eating the fruit of spirit requires you to die to acquire.

Cristina: Whoa. What? Wait. What does the fruit do again?

Jack: The fruit allows you to traverse from one realm to the other. Okay, so he did get the ability. That's actually what did happen in dying on the cross. He acquired the ability. But again, you do still need to be brought back to life.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The fruit of life doesn't bring you back to life. It gives you mortality. And yes, I still believe that Adam and Eve are a technology different. Different episode for what I stumbled upon related to that.

Cristina: Okay, okay, okay.

Jack: But yes, quite definitely their technology. And I think all of this is technology. I think the fruits are a version of technology.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: I think this is the sea people breaking the rules to do different things without having to use fun. Fact or not? Fact, but theory. Enter unicorns. We have three different fruits. I think this is why unicorns are f****** relevant. Yes, there is engineered something. Genetically engineered something. But people were getting horns that were giving abilities. So maybe that theory is bullshit, that this was a genetically engineered creature. I think the Pegasus was definitely genetically engineered, but I don't think the unicorn was because people had. Antonio Draco, bro. He gave this to people who couldn't walk. And they could suddenly walk. If the people couldn't see, they could suddenly see. There was something about this unicorn, the alicorn. Something about alicorn that the sea people were fully aware of. And the sea people also happen to have the Garden of Eden, which contains four different technologies. A technology for immortality without adrenochrome.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: A technology for some unearthly knowledge. A technology to traverse the realms. Like dying after you've had a dream of chrome. Almost identical. When you consider the fruit of spirit, you have to.

Cristina: They knew about this other place. Somehow they're connected to.

Jack: Well, they already knew about my cough. That they got the f*** away from. And that was a direct link to the shadow realm.

Cristina: They did something wrong, they did something.

Jack: Bad and they act. And whatever the technology code Adam and Eve is.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I think they used unicorn alicorns in order to make these technologies. That's where that piece fits. It's something with incredible abilities. That isn't science. They use it and added it to science to make things happen.

Cristina: I don't think it's a creature from here either.

Jack: I think it's a f****** fairy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I think a unicorn is a fairy. I think it's a horse fairy.

Cristina: It's a horse fairy. It's a fairy. It's a fairy. It's for sure a fairy.

Jack: For sure fairy. They. There's an animalistic non hyper intelligent fairy like other creatures. It's just wherever the fairies come from, there are animals.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That aren't like crazy intelligent like normal people or normal fairies. It's just an animal because we know the shadow realm also has it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The shadow realm has intelligent beings and it has their animal equivalent.

Cristina: Yeah, I think. Yeah, you're right. I think the fairy. Those are fairies.

Jack: Those are fairies. Unicorns are fairies. I am for sure. A Pegasus is something genetically engineered. It's just things that exist over here that they put together and look cool. Look at my cool car. Or whatever. But unicorns are fairies.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they know how to use unicorn blood and unicorn alicorns to make these technologies that they are trying to hide from whatever either they're. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Because now we're hitting the wall again. I'll find something else in the future. But this is. It's making a lot of sense so far because this began originally with unicorns and then we left it behind because. Didn't seem to connect anywhere.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It didn't seem to go anywhere. These special abilities, these things. But everything that. The one thing we've known is whatever you could do with adrenochrome, you could do with alicorn. Of course the idea was this.

Cristina: I think they. The power that they have. Adam and Eve is what the gods want. I really think that's what they want because that's the thing of life. Like in the Norse mythology, they made people a lot like God made people. But like it feels very technology. Like it wasn't natural birth or anything. They, they made. They made people. They want this technology because they don't have it.

Jack: So you think Adam and Eve Is in fact population technology.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The ability to create.

Cristina: Gods aren't really gods. They're just someone who found the tech to make life. And there's people that want that. These higher beings, they're fighting over this.

Jack: The people who have it are the sea people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The argument here is that the sea people are equal in caliber to the rest of these gods.

Cristina: Yeah, they are.

Jack: And we. The weirdest part is we can home then the idea is whole other perspective. And we've talked about this before, I guess. Yes. Yeah, we talked about this a long time ago about just Jehovah. That Jehovah came from a group of people and they just got more progressively powerful over time. They were made by something, but possibly technology too, that with enough time, the goal was to get one of these things to cross over to the next stage where they themselves could make life.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And every civilization has its own version of that. That's what the Greek gods are. They were something that managed to get to this God like power, but they were just mortals like we were. And Jehovah and whatever people he's from also, again, they were just some form of mortal that elevated to that point. And the Norse gods, again, just some form of mortal that elevated to that point. And we're witnessing with the sea people another form of mortal that elevated to that. And maybe might not be exactly that. The road is the same. But they're as close from our.

Cristina: Yes, I think they're stopping the whole. The God part, the end part of it happening though. Because all of these stories, they end with the God finally getting the thing and then restarting and everything happens again and then the new God and then whatever. Yeah, because Jesus would have been that God. But they're stopping him.

Jack: But they're stopping him. Then what's the point of stopping it?

Cristina: Because it ends. All of this. It.

Jack: The reset. The reset God Jesus would have been the one. Yes, that Jehovah. Jehovah's winning. That's the argument here. Jehovah was winning. We would know because it's also the most dominant religion. Even Islam contains Christianity within it.

Cristina: It's not. He's not winning because he didn't get to restart because we're still here.

Jack: He was winning. He was, he was winning. And Jesus was the way. He was the one who had the guy who was actually gonna do it. I did it. I beat all of you. I got him. I got the guy who's gonna reset the system. That makes me God and that makes him the God who takes my place. But the sea people didn't allow it.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So, but we know Jehovah of Dark isn't the same as Jehovah of Light. We just don't know what the h*** to call Jehovah of Dark. Jehovah of Light is just another sea person and he's part of who's stopping this. So Jehovah of Dark found the right being because again, what were the visions, what were the visions that forced them to get rid of Mary in the first. The first place? That's another weird thing. This guy somehow started to communicate with this kid and other people and oh yeah, find the kid. Find the kid for me, people. Chances are the people who are having the visions of Jesus in the first place were people who went through the ritual and started hearing the voice in their head.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, those people. Yeah.

Jack: But then why were they having visions of Jesus? I understand getting the voice of Jehovah of Dark. These rituals are essentially meant to connect to the shadow realm.

Cristina: But why.

Jack: But why? And why, again, why are we getting. Why is there energy reliance on the shadow realm? One question we need to figure out. Why is Jehovah of Dark so interested in Jesus if that's not even his descendant? Why is. Why are his people. I mean, I guess his people are trying to stop it so the gods don't find the technology that is in fact the way to do it because they haven't figured it out. And the sea people have it. I understand getting. I guess getting Jesus was about that.

Cristina: Why do we think there's a Jehovah Dark? How do we know that's not Jesus? He's separating these two characters.

Jack: Well, Jehovah of Dark is literally who's been kind of doing a lot of this crap. It's. We have Jehovah of Dark at the very crossing point where all these horrible things end and needing sacrifices end and all this stuff. And then we just have Jesus suddenly show up. We have Jehovah of Dark in many instances, communicating and asking for really dark things. This is why the sacrifices were asked for. Jehovah of Light has no reason for that. Jehovah Light is who's still around. He got rid of Jesus and then we're just hearing Jehovah of Light all the time. No more Jehovah of Dark.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: They are clearly two different. The switch from one to the other was so dramatic that it's obvious they were two different beings. And Jesus trying to create gateways to access the point he can die. Go back and have a gate to come through already. Fine. But then he is a physical creature from this side to have to die to get there first. Jehovah of dark is some s*** over there trying to f****** get people to create that fear and that thing because he needs that to come through. Jehovah give a crap. So we're arguing Jehovah of light is equal to the Greek and the Norse gods. And Jesus was gonna be. We're not gonna be. Jesus was just some other guy. This is some kid. But something weird happened. So the sea people were definitely elevating quickly to the point that they already have the population. Technology. Probably, yes. And they have the ability to traverse realms which even the Norse gods don't and the Greek gods don't, but the sea people do. So we're also talking that, again, these are just technologically advanced beings that seem like gods from our point of view, but it's just technology. They have to. Yes, the Norse and the Greek, the Christian. This is just technology.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Except when we're talking about the Shadow.

Cristina: Realm, what are you missing?

Jack: I don't know what we're missing. There's a lot of questions answered and a lot of questions just that popped up.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: It's complicated.

Cristina: Complicated. Still so many missing pieces.

Jack: And everything depends on the Shadow Realm. Somehow the Shadow Realm is fueling this side somehow. And Mount Kaath was an access point. And the Shadow people somehow made Mount Kaf invisible. It was very important for them to do that. Now, that doesn't stop anything from Mount Kaath from coming to this side. As far as I know, you made it unseen.

Cristina: But they can still.

Jack: Which is about other people not finding it. So not letting others access the Shadow Realm is important, but you having access to the Shadow Realm is important. You found a way to get there without needing the mountain. So you hid the mountain. You have the fruit that allows you to get there. Well, code fruit. Some technology. You have some technology that allows you to cross the threshold into the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: What are they doing? I don't know. I don't know. Because what would they want to do with those?

Jack: And something about the old equator involves. Is involved here. Something about the civilizations on the old equator is part of this. The Mayans and the Egyptians are particularly important in whatever's going on.

Cristina: It has to do with the end of the world. It feels like, I don't know, three.

Jack: Technologies that are incredibly astounding and then one for population. Are they building an army and are they gonna attack the Shadow Realm and take over it?

Cristina: I don't feel like that's it.

Jack: Clothes is just so crazy. Throw s*** at the wall and see if something stinks.

Cristina: Yeah. Nah, that doesn't feel right. Because there's so much hiding going on with them. They're hiding. They're hiding everything.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Everything's being hidden.

Jack: After sharing everything.

Cristina: After sharing everything.

Jack: They were sharing everything for a really long time and then something backfired. And it's not backfired. Who knows if it backfires? Something changed. We know that much. Something changed and then hiding. Everything is hiding now. I think they did discover or create or invent some form of nuts. Technology that they have to keep away from other s***. And following the finding of this technology, it was totally fine for them to completely erase an access point which was Mount Kaf.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They were maybe using that access point, but now nobody else can find it. And we're so good at hiding s***. You guys can't find us. And you guys can. H*** no. In no way find that mountain?

Cristina: No.

Jack: But why? And what is the importance of Jesus to Jehovah of Dark?

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know. There's still things we gotta figure out.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: It's so weird. We got a lot of things, though. So much is solved thanks to all of this connecting to each other. But still it makes no sense.

Jack: The problem is I don't know where to go from here. I don't know where to go from here. We've dissected the old equator. We've dissected Norse mythology and found some answers. We've. I can keep dissecting other religions. I guess there has to be some.

Cristina: Connection because what if one of these things does have a solution to a problem? Because I feel like Norse did solve some things.

Jack: A lot of things.

Cristina: Yeah. So we actually might be a good idea.

Jack: Yeah. I mean, we use two different religion. Luciferianism and Norse mythology. Yeah, we just got a. We got a couple of. One new detail of hearing gods in your head and of the. Specifically the places of focus which Mount Kaaf was clearly one of them. A place where you have a stronger connection.

Cristina: Oh, were you gonna say something about the creatures, though? Were they important?

Jack: Which creatures?

Cristina: The giants and the dwarfs.

Jack: Well, know that there's definitely some. Some buffer between locations.

Cristina: But why is that important?

Jack: Because the mountains. That means that there's probably creatures in front of Mount Kaath that are helping protect it.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Presumably there are sea people around Mount Kaaf and that when the Greek mention the sea people and they mentioned the giants, they're talking about the same Two. The two things are the same thing. The giants that can take them down are the sea people. Unless the giants were made by the sea people.

Cristina: Oh, that's possible too. It could be either. Or.

Jack: The ability to make life.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Can you make any life?

Cristina: Probably, yes.

Jack: Can you make an infinitely strong army? Make the playing field so uneven with Adam and Eve?

Cristina: I think so. I think so.

Jack: Make an army. Send s*** to the Shadow Realm, Team a bunch of s*** over there that is too overpowered. Bring it over here. You got problems.

Cristina: You can make an army. Like Lilith used Adam to make an army of demons.

Jack: Holy s***. You're totally right. And if Adam is literally just creation technology, then she literally.

Cristina: She literally used the machine to create life.

Jack: What the f***? I forgot all about that. She literally used the technology to create an army of demons and as a result was cast from using the technology.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Whaaat?

Jack: Holy s***. So it is.

Cristina: It's tech.

Jack: It's really overpowered tech that can make anything. That's probably how they made the Pegasus.

Cristina: Yes, but they made human life using Adam and Eve. That's important. Just as for human life. But you don't need Eve to make life.

Jack: You only need Adam.

Cristina: You just need Adam and then pair it with something else, I guess. And you make something else.

Jack: So then Eve is something different.

Cristina: Yes. Eve is human life somehow.

Jack: Yes. You can make anything with Adam, but you can make. Not human. Maybe that's not. Maybe you can make humans with just Adam because you made Eve with just Adam. Allegedly. Although we can assume that that's probably wrong. But you can make anything with Adam. There's some special sauce that Eve adds that the pairing makes important. Yeah, that the pairing makes dangerous. Chances are they probably won't keep Adam and Eve together.

Cristina: No. Unless they need to make more humans. But I doubt they.

Jack: I don't think it's to make humans. I think you only need Adam to make humans. And I also don't think you made humans with it. I think humans were already there and then we started developing way later. I don't think that the sea people made us. I don't think they're our God. Unless we're. I mean, then again, Jehovah, the actual Jehovah, not Jehovah of dark, but Jehovah of light is a sea person.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: And if we're. I guess maybe we were made by this f****** technology. Adam.

Cristina: I definitely think so. I think our ancient ancestors come from this machine.

Jack: Fair enough. So we're androids that resemble. Which it would explain a lot Considering our mind works so identically to when we make a computer, make a hyper advanced technology, and our brains are almost indistinguishable. We even call it neural synapses, which is what we're working with. Neurons.

Cristina: I feel like there's still so much.

Jack: So then what the f*** is the point of Eve? What did Eve give us that the gods want? Because then it's not even about Adam. It's about Adam and Eve.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the fruits. Yes, it's about the three fruits in Adam and Eve. There's a lot of technology with the sea people that even the. What we consider gods, which are just other advanced creatures, we are like, what the f***? We need that s***. Yeah, fair enough. The gods, Norse gods, didn't make life. Greek gods didn't make life. They're gods. And then there's life.

Cristina: Mm. Well, I think in the Norse, they did make life out of clay. I don't know. It's some weird story, but the people were like puppets until he did something. I don't remember the complete story.

Jack: Yes, I do. I know what you're talking about. Yes.

Cristina: Which would mean, like, maybe Adam just makes the puppet a puppet.

Jack: Eve creates the mind.

Cristina: Yeah, because that's why when eat.

Jack: When Lilith did it, Adam, she could just make demons.

Cristina: Yeah, because they were.

Jack: They were soulless chimeras. Not even chimeras. Homunculus demons. Demons.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Artificial life. To make a perfect life form, you need the Eve component.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So they all have the atom technology. They all have the atom technology. They don't all have the EVE technology.

Cristina: Yes, I think so.

Jack: And because the sea people have the EVE technology, they can also use that to improve on the atom technology. So the sea people have the best version of the atom technology because the.

Cristina: EVE technology is kind of the atom technology, like 2.0 or whatever.

Jack: Yes, interesting. Yes. 2.0. You required one to build the other.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Closer to something.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: Closer to something. There's something making sense here.

Cristina: Yes, I think so.

Jack: Interesting. So the sea people might have made it. I mean, makes sense. If Jehovah is the one running this project. Madam. And Evar technology. There's not people who work there. Whatever we call the serpent is one of the guys who works there. And Lilith was one of the ones who worked there. You know, three people worked there for effect. Jehovah, the serpent, and Lilith. And Lilith went rogue and used it to create. She shouldn't have. And was removed from the project.

Cristina: Yeah. Just curious about this new toy that they had or whatever this is.

Jack: Or don't know how the this connects to Jesus because Jesus has a huge role to play here too. We've definitely solved adrenochrome. That's an easy shortcut over there. We've finally connected alicorn. That's whatever's fueling the creation of these technologies that are allowing a way over there without losing your f****** mind through adrenochrome. Yes, we know distilled adrenochrome ichor allows you to do some details of what alicorn, which is way more overpowered, does. We know Adam and Eve is technology to create life, specifically Adam, but Eve might be the next stage of that that allows for a particularly complicated life, which all the others can't seem to figure out, I think. So I don't know what Jesus fits here. I think everything else has been answered. I just don't know how Jesus.

Cristina: Besides that, we know that they are most likely afraid of him or they're hiding from him or whatever. They kicked him out.

Jack: Something is special about Jesus. Something is different about Jesus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we know Jesus is probably in cahoots with Jehovah of dark because he's like, you guys betray me for whatever reason. Yes, we've answered a lot. We're left with, what does he want? What? What's the point of Jesus? What's the point of Jesus? We know that the churches are accessing these shadow realm creatures for no reason. They probably think it's really God or whatever the. Who knows? Yeah, it's not really important as far as we know. Or they're being manipulated by Jesus, who they're probably hearing in their head, actually. Probably hear Jesus in their head.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Whatever the case might be, they're puppets. Him something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The question is, is Jesus? It doesn't seem like he is, but also he does go ahead and make Jesus gates so that creatures could cross over. He might be a puppet himself, or he might be part of the bigger picture.

Cristina: He might be.

Jack: He might be. We don't know, but that's what I got.

Cristina: That's amazing.

Jack: Thank you. Norse mythology. You connect a lot of thoughts. Thank you. Luciferianism, your dark, dark, crazy, psychotic s***. Dark, Dark definitely gave us enough information that we required. So, look, I need you guys and anybody help, please. If you got something, anything, contact us, reach us, let us know. You can hit us up on the socials at JustConvo, Pod, Anywhere, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok.

Cristina: And remember to subscribe and review the.

Jack: Show and tell people we're getting to the bottom of something. Word of mouth is incredibly overpowered. And if you've ever had these weird a** questions and wanted to know the truest truths. Nobody's. Nobody's doing this. We're one and only here. This is like the deepest underground set of information you could ever find, right? You know how hard I f****** learned to find this s***? I can only explain to you how many dark web websites I have to travel to access documents that people have stolen from churches just to upload online because the church will obviously not let the surface web ever get this. And you can't really raise it off the. Off the dark web. You understand how hard it is to do this and like how many government watch lists I'm probably on for like traveling through these places? You just for this ridiculous. You guys should be thanking me.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

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April 01, 2023

Rambling 220: The Sea People on Olympus

April 01, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

With most of the narrative of The Sea People uncovered and the truth behind Jesus Christ and the Catholic Church quickly being revealed it seems that the mystery of Atlantis and Unicorns is ultimately solved. Except the duo continue to be pestered by the feeling that The Sea People were actually hiding from something bigger and badder than they are. Today they continue trying to uncover what that might be!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Zoroastrianism
The Sea People
Persia
Mount Olympus
Pegasus Chimera
Mass Migration

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina. There's no way you can do that.

Jack: Voice throughout the whole episode, like a. Like a 1960s excited baseball announcer or commentator.

Cristina: Yeah. No way.

Jack: There goes Johnny. No, man. It couldn't be normal for people to speak like that there. That's weird.

Cristina: You think it wasn't? What if it was normal?

Jack: It couldn't have been. It could.

Cristina: No, it could happen.

Jack: No, there's a. There's a story behind that. I forgot what the h*** it was, but I know that it was 100% not normal. It was like rich people talk wealthy. We don't want to sound like the bezants, you know, so you sound like this high pretentious thing. I think maybe they were imitating a specific culture or something. I don't know. But I know that it was like, rich people talk.

Cristina: No way. Yeah, because then they would have kept that talk. Do they still do that? I hope not.

Jack: I mean, maybe.

Cristina: But then once the poor people see there is people talking like that, well, would it. Why wouldn't they just copy?

Jack: I mean, I guess what we're really looking at is the dissolving of language barriers and accents because of all the technology. So even how people sound is getting complex. Before, you could have just heard somebody's voice and you could tell, like pinpoint exactly where they're from because a region was so them. Just them, them, their people. Wherever you grew up was obvious because you didn't have access to everybody else in the world all the time. Anything that's going away, that's definitely dissolving as everybody has access to the Internet and they communicate way more. Eventually. The point, like, everybody's gonna be a single culture as everything gets super hyper duper mixed little by little, will continue to capture countries in a NATO like way, first with treaties for military action, and then have some sort of global United States, European Union equivalent. That's with all the countries in the world after we establish some sort of giant global government thing run by TikTok.

Cristina: Fear. That's the fear.

Jack: Oh, no.

Cristina: TikTok is gonna. Is. What is it? The Illuminati, I guess whoever the New World Order, whatever the name of the group is now it's TikTok. TikTok.

Jack: TikTok is running the world.

Cristina: It's Running the world. It's controlling my Google. It knows where I live.

Jack: It know. Oh my God, it's so ridiculous. TikTok guy.

Cristina: Poor TikTok guy.

Jack: It doesn't even make sense. Like they were so alien about how they were approaching that.

Cristina: Well. Yep. It's his fault for being tiny, I guess.

Jack: I guess. Right. Like how crazy was questions they were giving this guy. But I do think that culture is completely dissolving. It's disappearing little by little. The Internet is exaggerated. It is gonna definitely blow everything away. Weird things like TikTok where everybody gets to share everything unfiltered in every direction. Always crazy. That's. That's thing that's powerful. Facebook had. It was used by everybody. But it was sort of divided in a way where you're kind of exposed to your language's section. So if you're in it in English, you're gonna be exposed to English things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that's how you ultimately end up grouped in different.

Cristina: TikTok is very random.

Jack: TikTok seems to just be way more cross those lines where you can access different country stuff without even looking for it.

Cristina: Like, yeah, something from somewhere else will pop up.

Jack: Yeah. If you just like one thing over here, it's going to open the entire window of things in that direction.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: True.

Jack: Very different. And I think technology. I think technology is gonna do a great job of there. Look, it happens. What the technology destroys the world. It possibly did happen. I'm still twisting my mind over what it is technology wise that we're talking about that Jehovah was working with. I am certain that the reason behind population technology, that nobody invented population technology with the intention of population technology. I think they invented population technology as a byproduct of repopulation technology. I think some sort of tragedy might have actually happened. And this technology was originally conceived of in order to repopulate the earth. But then after that mission is accomplished, society is reestablished, everything is going nice and smooth. You use the technology for other things. It happens all the time. In World War II, you invent a bunch of horrible evil things that now are just like casual things you use that improve life one way or another.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So that's the same principle being applied here.

Cristina: Like they have other inventions besides the whole making people.

Jack: That the making people was to solve a problem and that the problem that that is trying to solve has already been solved.

Cristina: So there have other things.

Jack: So you repurpose it. And what do you repurpose it for? You have exorbitant technology. You have super advanced. Wait a minute.

Cristina: What, what, what? What?

Jack: The people who had this technology to begin with were the sea people, Right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So the sea people have the Garden of Eden population technology. Assuming it was originally made as repopulation technology to plug up some tragedy. Some tragedy must have happened. Could the flood have been that tragedy? Because we know that Atlantis sank, so did it? Did. The reason the evacuation happened in the first place wasn't to hide. Like. Yes. Go somewhere more hidden. Why not? But the move happened because the flood happened. But that doesn't make sense because Jesus and the flood don't coincide. No, but the move seems to be happening.

Cristina: But the flood happened and people were still alive and everywhere else. Like why would they need to repopulate a machine that repopulates?

Jack: So it had to be. But yeah, no, you're totally right because the flood was actually just a couple of thousand years ago, while the sea people are descendant of some people from a million years ago that were at their technological peak at that point. Yeah, so that's kind of crazy.

Cristina: I don't know. Why would they have it?

Jack: Why would they have that? Why would they. What kind of reason?

Cristina: Maybe they can't populate anymore. Maybe they can't have children.

Jack: Something happened in their genetic pool that went wrong.

Cristina: Yeah, they do a lot of weird genetic stuff. Unicorns, Pegasus. Maybe something went wrong.

Jack: Messing with their own genetic code to make themselves godlike.

Cristina: Yeah, they can live forever. I mean maybe that's how the whole unicorn magic came from. It's not really that anyone with alicorn is living forever. It's the people who hang out with unicorns look like they live forever because they probably might. They might because they have the tech to do so.

Jack: This is an interesting argument because this would bring up the idea that something like the Greek gods. Right. So this is what these sea people were seen as. They were seen as these colossal greater other people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You know, fascinating, intriguing part of the Persian territory, but their own way more futuristic thing. You'd had to cross all of Persia, all of Persia into the Persian Gulf to the head of the Persian Gulf. And that's where you'd come across the Persian Gulf oasis with these people that were bronze skin, perfect physique, God like highly advanced technologies beyond. You're living in a Hudson like stone palaces and crap like that. And these people are just men's over exaggerated futuristic technology. There had to be if something went wrong. Yeah, they mess themselves up in a way maybe because that's what would happen. Right. The. The idea of the grazes that they've. They don't need their bodies because technology has gone so far. So all they need is their minds to best optimize how they use said technology. So their heads get really big and their bodies get really small. Technology has destroyed them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So they end up relying on technology by default because they just got used to that way of life. This is normal. But if they didn't have it, that's a screwed gray.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That same idea would apply here. These are people who have modified their body, but something had to give. If you're continuously modifying content, so they sterilized the ability. Because look at it like this. You're looking for the most efficient way of being.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You program those parameters into a computer and it's going to give everybody that. Then everybody has the most efficient way of being.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now you've worked out differences. Genetically reproduction could not happen. It's too many similar things in everybody's DNA.

Cristina: Oh, it would be dangerous to do that.

Jack: It would be dangerous, yes.

Cristina: Well, dangerous in like, how? If we were to try, like siblings, try to have children.

Jack: Yes. You'd have that kind of a problem going on. There'd be. And these people who are the next generation would be of a smaller group of people. Anyways. You got to keep in mind that we're not talking about Persia as a whole. We're talking about just the Persian Gulf oasis. This is a city. City. That's it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To see people. We're so few.

Cristina: A city. I think that makes sense, though. What? So yeah. Maybe it's just populate themselves.

Jack: Yeah. To reproduce.

Cristina: Yeah. Instead of like because of some disaster. Like they dealt with disasters forever. Forever.

Jack: Yeah. There's nothing that got in their way. They survived whatever destroyed the Earth and led to the flood. They just moved. Actually, no, they just lived underwater, I suppose, because the Persian Gulf oasis was also claimed to be underwater for a period of time. Like it could just. Whether the stories included its ability to just go underwater, that's something that city was capable of. Now, I don't think the city was just opting into going underwater. I think the city was designed in such a way and the people were advanced in such a way that they somehow had some form of a protective barrier or something that allowed the tides to rise above their city and them to be protected.

Cristina: Yes. Like some. What you would imagine Atlantis in a. Or whatever.

Jack: The technology that they used, knowing that tides would rise, they developed it knowing the tides would rise so they wouldn't have to move. So they developed that with years knowing, oh, yeah. The tide around this time is gonna come, and our city is gonna be engulfed. But that's no problem. We'll have our best scientists work on it, and we'll get something working. They come up with the force field now they need to go hide because of whatever XY reason. And they're gonna go to Atlantis. They already have the technology. This wasn't a crazy, difficult, complicated thing to do.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They send some people, go and get things building. You got robots, make it build quick. Put a force field over it. We got a city. Let's go.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They already had it.

Cristina: They already had that technology.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: You think they can live forever or something?

Jack: I don't know if they can live forever, but I think when we're talking about the Greek gods, when we're talking about angels, I think all those times we've been talking about the same group of people, I think the gods of history, the truth of what lies in those narratives lies behind the sea people and who they might be. I think that's the reality of the matter, because of the fact that so many weird locations. So in its stories that sound so familiar to other things and narratives. The way these dots connect is ridiculous. From the mountain to the unicorns, to the salesman to the. The. The. The. The church involved in freaking everything. And how Jesus trails back to the same place.

Cristina: Like the Greek gods to any of this.

Jack: Well, when Persia was expanding its reach, there was an exact moment when they stopped in front of Greece and said, we go no further. Until a priest from the Persian religion of Zoroastra let me. I don't want to butcher this Zoroastrian.

Cristina: I think it has to be. I think it has to be butchered.

Jack: Yeah, it has to be. It's really complicated, their religion. A priest comes forward and explains that in that direction is the sacred passage to where the gods are. And he was talking about Olympus, Mount Olympus. To his people that didn't want to push forward into Greece, he's telling them, no. There is one objective that I need you guys to go this direction for.

Cristina: It's a reach.

Jack: We need to reach Mount Olympus, which.

Cristina: Could really be Mount.

Jack: No, it's Mount Olympus because Mount Olympus is where he knows to meet the sea people.

Cristina: So they hang out in Mount Olympus too. Are they just interested in mountains?

Jack: No, he had. He said the passageway to see them. He didn't say they're gonna chill up there. He had key words.

Cristina: They also chill on that other mountain. That's in Greece.

Jack: Yeah, Athos Athos?

Cristina: Yes. Are they just hanging out in a bunch of Greece mountains?

Jack: I think all the mountains are passageways.

Cristina: And the world or just Greece.

Jack: Not. Fair enough. There's something in all of these places. I'm assuming there's a shrine at the top of Athos that's working as some sort of gateway.

Cristina: Yeah, but is it all mountains?

Jack: I think so, but not necessarily. Because here's the commonality that's bugging me a little bit. There is a. So at the top of Mount Olympus is a church called the chapel of the prophet Elias.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: Doesn't mean anything significant other than the fact that there's a Catholic church at the top of Mount Athos. An orthodox church. Again, quite consistently now we have mentions. So this priest again from this.

Cristina: Okay, it's not every mountain, but it's any mountain that has a church on it.

Jack: There seems to be a consistency with the churches. There definitely seems to be a consistency with the churches. Churches in high places. There's something weird about that. And that again, what's a church in a high place? What's a mountain if not a pyramid? What's a pyramid if not a man made mountain? The fact that the pyramids got a little pointy thingy with a target and technology that says we can warp and like, you know, we're seeing sort of similarities here too. At churches and top of mountains. There's similarities happening.

Cristina: There is, there is.

Jack: I don't think that like it's. I don't know how to put it. I think that there is some form of teleportation happening for sure.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But I also believe that it's not just to their current location in an inaccessible depth of the ocean, protected by some force field and defended easily versus our ignorant primitive scanning technology. But it's also reaching outer space. So it's the same thing with these. There's somehow. Let's assume that there's something like this on a. On the moon.

Cristina: And they can go to the moon.

Jack: No, that there. Yeah, there's some structure on the moon on top of a mountain and that you could teleport. They send there and then they can bounce back to Earth. So that's the kind of satellite technology that would be happening.

Cristina: Okay, so they're going from one mountain to another.

Jack: But it happens instantly. Yeah, happens instantly.

Cristina: And if it's not a mountain, it's a pyramid.

Jack: Yeah. Because that pyramid is just a man made mountain. And there's probably efficient locations where some mountains were already located and where they weren't the pyramids went okay. Interesting.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: So Olympus is a church.

Jack: Olympus has a church on top.

Cristina: So they wanted to go to Greece, though, to take over.

Jack: They wanted to take over that place. The Persians wanted to take over that mountain.

Cristina: What makes Mount Olympic so special though? That it's where the gods are versus the other mountains.

Jack: It's a ridiculously tall mountain, I guess. I think it's the tallest mountain in Greece.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. But that's not even the tallest mountain in the world. This is a tall mountain.

Cristina: Yeah. Next to them.

Jack: Yeah. And the issue is that with the Persians struggling to get. Were they trying to capture it because they felt that the sea people were part of them or were they trying to capture. Because maybe they've been trying to get to the sea people who live on their lands.

Cristina: Probably that. And this they know that's the gateway.

Jack: That's a gateway. And they didn't even have a clue about Athos. But actually, fun fact.

Cristina: What?

Jack: This happened before the gateway to Athos was told to marry. Because this is happening in 800 and 480 BC. 480 BC. And Mary happened in 33 AD.

Cristina: BC. AD I don't know which is one.

Jack: Okay, so BC four. Okay. This happened 480 years ago. Okay, 80 years ago. I'm so stupid. This happened 480 years before the birth of Christ.

Cristina: Okay, yes, the mountain.

Jack: The mountain. Mount Olympus.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then Mary happened 33 years after the birth of Christ.

Cristina: Okay. So they had that on that mountain before Jesus.

Jack: They were trying to capture Olympus before Athos became of any significance. They just moved around Athos. It wasn't important yet. Or if it was. They weren't aware of it.

Cristina: They weren't aware of it. Yeah.

Jack: They went to Olympus instead.

Cristina: Did anything actually happen, though?

Jack: They pushed forward and conquered quite a lot, but I'm saying a lot in the amount of time it was four. Because then they were. They were being defeated by Alexander. They were just being pushed back farther. They couldn't hold it. And then they just. From that point forward, they started to collapse entirely. Now, let me stress how literally I am stating that once they started pushing in to capture the mountain, everyone else put on their greatest defense, but only at that moment. And that's how the Persian empire fell. I'll repeat, they were slowly taking over everything and beating everybody, incredibly easy. Taking over all the territories in the Middle East. The Persians were eating it all up. As soon as they made their move towards the mountain. Every country that they had taken over, including the people they were Surrounded by that they had not invaded, put on their greatest defenses and defeated the Pers Empire.

Cristina: With some help. With some help. I bet they might not know who helped them, but I think it's obvious who helped them.

Jack: Fascinating. No?

Cristina: Yes. Yes.

Jack: This is all historic fact, by the way. I'm giving you dates so you can go look. Anybody who doesn't believe this, you could just go online and look at the history. 480 BC. Tell me what happened.

Cristina: They had help. They just don't know it. Like they'll say like yeah, we did it. But like no, they had something that looked like magical help. More like advanced tech help.

Jack: They did. They just swiftly got wrecked. Swiftly. They swiftly got wrecked.

Cristina: They were fighting some Persians.

Jack: They were fighting. Yeah, they were fighting fellow Persians. They didn't know it.

Cristina: They just didn't know it. Exactly.

Jack: But. But le problem.

Cristina: What?

Jack: The sea people wouldn't help the Greek.

Cristina: Why? If that's their mountain, it's not like they're helping them do anything besides protect their own mountain.

Jack: Fair enough. Yeah, fair enough. So they're. So then the plan failed. If you can be reached. Right, and so here's my question. Here's my question. Not all of these work all the ways. Right. I'm just trying to comprehend the technology right now. And follow me on this little tangent. Was the reason that Mount Athos was of no concern because Mount Athos was irrelevant and that you couldn't send her to Mount Olympus because now that was useless because Mount Olympus directly connected to the Persian Gulf oasis while Mount Athos directly connects to Atlantis. They're direct shots.

Cristina: Right.

Jack: And there's a two point bounce from Cyprus to Athos and then you travel to the top of Athos after getting to the base of. So there is teleportation technology, but it's also short ranged. Then the pyramids are long ranged. That makes sense, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So you can just have a. Here. This place is directly, maybe not even directly connected, but it's not gonna take you off of Earth if you're just going to some sort of church place.

Cristina: But doesn't like everyone goes to exactly one location.

Jack: It seems to be the case as far as we can tell. I'm just making a guess on how this technology would work if we were to see it. And like. Yeah, because it's like one to one mentions the Persians are pushing forward to get to Mount Olympus. But Mary was told the gold amount to go to Mount Athos.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. I think that makes sense.

Jack: Now don't get me wrong. Mount Athos Is. I mean, it doesn't. If you were to bounce from Cyprus to anywhere, why would you make a whole other. Unless they're both accessible locations that still work. We just don't have two mentions of one place for the same thing.

Cristina: Two mentions?

Jack: Yeah, we don't have two mentions of these places working the same way. We just know that post Jesus death it's Atlantis and pre Jesus birth, it's Persian Gulf Oasis. And we know that pre Jesus we have this mention by the priest of that Persian ancient Iranian religion suggesting that Mount Olympus is the way to the sea people. Important information is that this priest also uses the term sea people. So the Persians, we're still in the.

Cristina: Sea of Persia or whatever.

Jack: Not just that, but the Egyptians are the ones to come up with this name. The Persians were the ones using it the same way when they were called Persia still and specifically during this period of time. And specifically this one priest, because he knew about them. He knew about them. He knew something that maybe the rest of them didn't. Or again, they could have been looking for these people that lived on their land for God knows how long. And they're like, how do we get to them? And then they dug.

Cristina: Somehow they knew. But how do you even get that information?

Jack: How do you get that information?

Cristina: That's strange.

Jack: And here is the crazy part. It fits the actual inscribed information that's on these buildings of the Mayans and the Egyptians. Like, it still fits the logic. And if it's a public records as well, it kind of all works. Except like, how did you guys get it? We know that the sea people directly told these people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: How did you guys know?

Cristina: I don't know his connect. He's in a religion. Religion people talk to each other. Yeah, I guess some wild party, they're like, hey, did you know about this mountain, man?

Jack: Is that what it is? I bet religion does kind of work like that, right? They have these conferences where they share the secrets and stuff.

Cristina: Who knows, there could be something like that happening. Interesting, because every religion seems to be covering up some weird thing that they don't want anyone else to know about.

Jack: Like, and so the. If this is the case and they're trying to ultimately discover something that's hidden by who? The Catholic Church? And what's at the top of the freaking mountain that they're trying to get to? Christian church, man. Yeah, it's always the case. It's always the case. And they're trying to get to. What? What are they doing? Trying to get to the people who are Protecting the passage.

Cristina: But when they were trying to do that, there was probably not a church there at that time.

Jack: Fascinating point.

Cristina: Because the churches were made after Jesus.

Jack: Yes. So then this access point must have been exposed somehow. It doesn't require a church, then.

Cristina: No, the church is just people protecting the secret.

Jack: Yes. Oh, it's kind of the gathering building. The church is a meeting place.

Cristina: Yeah. Like they all know about what's happening. They're probably not involved in what's happening. They get to know about it and they get to keep it a secret. A secret and protect it. Because knowing about it, I think, I guess, would be a big deal for them. Like, they're just happy to know.

Jack: So then what structure is up there? There's nothing out there. There's nothing up there. In 480, before Christ is born, there's nothing up there.

Cristina: Because their teleportation probably doesn't look like anything, because only they could probably use it, so.

Jack: So even if he got up there, it'd be useless.

Cristina: Yeah, it would be. Nothing there. Kind of like the. That on the other mountain. There's just Athos. It's just the. The top of that mountain is a. What is it? That no one could enter it. That area on top.

Jack: What sacred.

Cristina: The sacred area where they hid the Russian. Yes, the summit.

Jack: Yeah, the very top.

Cristina: There's nothing on that summit except for a Russian Bible there.

Jack: Yeah, there's Russian Bible and that Bible.

Cristina: Russian, yeah.

Jack: No, there's like two other things up there, but yeah.

Cristina: What? Whatever. But. Yes, you can't go on that.

Jack: But there's nothing there.

Cristina: There's nothing there. Exactly. Like, if you went on that, there would be nothing. Yeah, you need something else. Like even Mary needed something else when she went up there. She had her horse, which might help. And also all the stories involve the horses, so.

Jack: The horses.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Oh, crap.

Cristina: So you're not going there alone to quote, unquote, teleport?

Jack: Did Zeus come down on a horse? On a horse? If Zeus came down on a horse, then we know that the Greeks were actually talking about the sea people too. And that's why we'd never heard them specifically use the term sea people.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Still referred to the Greek gods as these ruthless, overpowered beings, but also that they could kill each other. So they were mortal? They were mortal. They were just gods compared to us. Does that sound familiar? That sounds like the sea people. They're just mortals, but they're gods compared to us.

Cristina: It's not just him riding a horse. They all rode Horses. There was a stable, there's a massive stable on Mount Olympus of Pegasus, of.

Jack: Oh my God, you're kidding me.

Cristina: That's where they keep their flying horses on Mount Olympus. Although they talked about seeing them on Mount Athos because that's how they travel.

Jack: That's how they travel.

Cristina: But there are no horses there. You gotta go there with the horse and you gotta leave with the horse.

Jack: Yes. Interesting, interesting, interesting. So the man. Okay, assuming that the. The unicorn is really just a genetically modified shire horse with goat like behave, mountain goat like behavior, allowing it to just scale a mountain with a person on its back effortlessly. We have to assume that a Pegasus is also just some sort of miracle of genetic engineering. And they truly have a horse with extremely light bone density that allows a pair of ginormous wings to legitimately let itself lift up itself off the ground. And that's how these people who've also modified themselves to be nearly.

Cristina: Or maybe the wings are more for show.

Jack: You think it's still a unicorn magic thing? Like, I guess the wings magic.

Cristina: Not magic, but like, maybe they travel like the unicorns. They're like made like mountain goats. Like they can travel on locations that other things can't travel like goats, because that's such a great example. But the wings don't make them actually fly because that would be crazy. Like you never hear about stories of look at that horse in the sky or anything.

Jack: But also they would be the only people with them. And those horses aren't going out randomly.

Cristina: No, but it's still like us. Like having a poodle. A horse with wings would be like having a poodle. It's just a very fancy horse.

Jack: It's a fancy unicorn.

Cristina: Fancy unicorn, yes. It's even fancier looking. Yeah, that's what I think. Because there are no stories of these things flying. They're just, they're there.

Jack: Well, the stories of Mount Athos are actually. No, you're right, they're there.

Cristina: They're just up there.

Jack: They never saw them fly in with the pegasus. No, they would just be there with the pegasus.

Cristina: Yes. There's no true story about these flying horses flying.

Jack: Fascinating point that I did not notice before. They're always just kind of walking around. They're already stationary by the time they're seen.

Cristina: Yeah, always. Always. These are just horses.

Jack: Yeah, they're just weird looking horses.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, that's what I think. I think that makes sense.

Jack: So then there's still a portal of some sort of.

Cristina: Yes. Maybe do it still.

Jack: Because they're not literally flying on to anything. No, there must still be. Then why do they need the freaking horse?

Cristina: I guess to travel the world? Because, like, everyone uses something to travel on this side. Like, maybe they don't. Like, that's what they use to travel here once they're here to visit and hang out on the normal Earth side of things. Yeah. Like they're not gonna drive around a car when everyone's riding horses. They're gonna have their fancy horse.

Jack: Interesting. Yeah, I suppose. So they adapt it accordingly.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they know people walking around on horses. So they just get the coolest, best looking horses.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: They got unicorns and Pegasus.

Cristina: It's just like this is the coolest horse.

Jack: Yeah. Because they're the best people. And so everybody sees the gods with these things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: While now they just probably have some overpowered car and we're just like, wow.

Cristina: Look at that spaceship.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Like maybe they're just among us and we don't know. Right.

Cristina: Yeah. Because it just looks more futuristic than us. Because they have that.

Jack: Yeah. Cooler and more unique. Just overall better.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: All the stats better. We're like, wow, man. I don't even know how he could afford to make that. It must be infinity money. And really, like, money isn't a concept he worries about.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Because he has some Replicators. He just pumped this out of one shot.

Cristina: Because who knows, maybe they had cars with the crazy technology they had a million years ago.

Jack: They were so far beyond what we consider transportation.

Cristina: So if they're going to travel around normal people, they know what we're doing. Why would they?

Jack: My question is, how are they still even interact? There's no. Look at this.

Cristina: Just.

Jack: Just think about what I'm about to say. A million years ago, they were. They were super futuristic. Only 2000 years ago did the Jesus times happen. So basically, still a million years back from that point, these people were so ridiculously advanced that it would look like magic to us right now.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they've had a million years since then to advance themselves to then get to the time of 480 BC when some random dude somehow found out about them and he went ahead and decided to go try to take over Mount Olympus. And then effortlessly was abused and the empire destroyed.

Cristina: Yes. They made it look like magic.

Jack: They made it look like magic. It was just like a swift rape that just. Oof. You're not getting it.

Cristina: They didn't make it look like magic. They made it so natural. No one questioned.

Jack: No one questioned that. It just looked like my enemies got.

Cristina: Intelligent and better yeah, but no, they're that out of runs. They can make it look like anything.

Jack: They just turned the tide. The second that they made a move for the mountain, they were winning every battle, man.

Cristina: This is.

Jack: This is crazy. They were winning every single battle. There was no defeat. They were the Persian Empire pressing into the everything. They were everything, all of it. The Middle east was theirs. And then they tried to make a single move into Greece towards Mount Olympus and lost the first battle. Couple of days later, lost the second one. Couple of days later, lost the next one. Before long it took maybe two, three years and they were starting to lose territory in general, entire countries being reclaimed. What? Are you kidding me?

Cristina: I mean it's so natural looking. That's pretty advanced.

Jack: That's crazy. So there's some nuts defense going on. Yeah, there's something on Mount Olympus being protected for sure. It's some sort of a stable or maybe not even. No, just another location.

Cristina: It's just the story is the stable where God's Pegasus are hanging out on that mountain.

Jack: But there's two different stories that line up perfectly. Mount Athos and mount. Now my question is, are there other religions with these stories of mountains and the gods coming down from there? And I have a very interesting other example of this being the case from very long ago.

Cristina: They're all very long ago.

Jack: Now this we're talking maybe a couple of thousand years before climbing that mountain. Yes. To talk to who?

Cristina: God. See the meeting point.

Jack: Mm.

Cristina: Also, Odin I don't think hangs out on a mountain, but he does ride a horse.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting.

Cristina: And it's a huge horse. It's also Loki's child, but.

Jack: Whoa. He rides his grandson.

Cristina: Yes, yes. That's a weird story. I love it. Loki turned into a horse.

Jack: That's bomb.

Cristina: To have sex with a horse. A male horse is beautiful. And then he gave birth to this giant horse that is now Odin's horse.

Jack: Yes. Fantastic.

Cristina: How can you beat these stories?

Jack: This is crazy.

Cristina: Why isn't more people Norse? Like their stories are amazing.

Jack: The Nordic people had some nut stories.

Cristina: Yes. But whatever. The God has the horse. That's special.

Jack: Yes. Yeah, I guess in times when the planet was on horses, it was just. It made more sense to blend in as hard as possible. And also stand out.

Cristina: Exactly. Still stand out because I think it had like six legs or something. Like it was something else that made it unique.

Jack: But also they're showing off to other.

Cristina: Yes, other. Yeah. Like if no one else is riding around a six legged horse. Look at me.

Jack: Now in these instances it looks like we're talking about scenarios where people are. These. These quote, gods, unquote, are more or less the same power level. Let's say it seems in all scenarios, every religion has a more or less. You have the big Kahuna God and then you have the smaller gods. In Christianity, we call those the angels. But it's the same concept. These overpowered, perfect beings.

Cristina: Like, their power level isn't even, like that much lower either.

Jack: Yeah, it's all equal.

Cristina: It's all. Yeah, I mean, it's all above us. So it all is equal in that way. Like how much higher they are from us.

Jack: Yeah. But they're equal to each other in seemingly every aspect. Like all the angels and all the gods of Norse mythology and all the gods of Greek mythology. I think they, in clean fights would even out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And I think that's because we're talking about the same people. I think we're talking about the same people with the same level of technological advancement. And that's why we see the similarities with these things, mountains and horses and stuff like that.

Cristina: Yeah, that's cool.

Jack: Christians have the same story, but so do the Greek. They have the same story. The mountain.

Cristina: There's always a mountain.

Jack: There's always a mountain. The mountain is how you get to the sea people. The sea people don't live on the mountain. That's just how you get to the.

Cristina: Sea people or you see the people.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Because you don't really get to the sea people. They come to you.

Jack: They come to you. That's actually quite literally expressed with Mount Athos, that whole narrative.

Cristina: Yes. They come to you through the mountain.

Jack: Yes. But you can't get to them.

Cristina: Yes. Except for Mary.

Jack: Yes. And there's a very heavenly idea behind that. Right. That does feel like, oh, wow. They come down from a place that doesn't exist in our plane. And like, it totally does. Somewhere still a partition technology. But it looks like what they just showed up from nowhere. The peak of the mountain, the summit.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They come down from the heavens to us. Yeah, that's. I can see how these narratives came into being.

Cristina: Yes, I can see it. Oh, so good you figured that out. That's interesting.

Jack: Yeah. So the gods of history are just these really advanced. We always thought they were aliens.

Cristina: Humans with fancy pets.

Jack: Yes, Fancy pets. Because of fancy tech.

Cristina: Yes. Yes.

Jack: And they're showing off to each other. Some of them live over here, some of them live over there. All of this is happening before they have to go and disappear.

Jack: They go move together. They go Live together.

Cristina: That's what you think.

Jack: I mean, where are they now?

Cristina: Like, are they all in that one location or could there be other locations?

Jack: Well, there would have to be locations where they would not be interacted by us. But I suppose if you could just hide your cities, there's probably a bunch of places. Yeah, we're just talking about the one.

Cristina: That we know about, the one that's very heavily protected.

Jack: Yes. But there's probably others. Maybe that's where the concept of Wakanda comes from. Maybe that's based on the idea, the principle of, like. Yes. Chances are that these people have gone to other places, built society, and protected themselves the same way. If you could protect yourself from the pressure of the entire ocean on you, you could definitely create a nice little light trick to seem invisible.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like you could disappear in plain sight. They're probably everywhere.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Again, it comes back to the question that if. If I spoke to an ant, would it know I'm trying to talk to it, and if it did, would I know? It answered like, they are not bothered by us and we are not capable of bothering them.

Cristina: Yes. There's no way. There's just one city of people that.

Jack: Are advanced unless they can't reproduce.

Cristina: But even if they can't reproduce, they'd make more of themselves because they need to.

Jack: Would they, though? The question is, if you're a God, would you want more of you or would you want more of that just for you? I don't know if they're just people. Also, we don't know this for a fact. The one detail of we don't know what other creatures emotions would be like our emotions entirely based on how we evolved. Maybe they feel things that we don't have any concept of and vice versa.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So this is all just basing it on our human beliefs and emotions that they would be the same, but they took a different route and got there in a different way, and they were part of a different lineage. What were you gonna say?

Cristina: That they also didn't treat us like ants either. At least not to the Egyptians or the Mayans. They saw they can get something from.

Jack: And many other civilizations that seem to just collapse under the weight of the technology given to them.

Cristina: Yeah. So it's not the same.

Jack: No, they were. They were trying to share something too far ahead for people not ready.

Cristina: Although some people were, which I think some people were. Happened, and now they're not around. But I don't think it's because they died off or anything.

Jack: Yeah, I think it was Intentional. I think there's volunteer work happening. I think that maybe the Mayans, again, they could have joined the Sea people. Maybe the Mayans are part of the Sea people now. Maybe the Egyptians are part of the Sea people now. Maybe the Sea people are the new Persian Empire and they exist in some place where you can't conceive of, but it's around us somehow. Yeah, that could be the case. And the narratives that we see written left behind through hieroglyphs and piecing together public records that cross reference these things in the right way to build a story, all of that is an incomplete image of what's really going on.

Cristina: Because we don't know any. We don't know what's going on.

Jack: We don't know.

Cristina: And they cut off the story wherever they wanted to.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. They. These true or not even true, these events that took place of them leaving. We could just misinterpret what they have. It's. We're working with what we have. And there's no way that story could be perfect.

Cristina: No.

Jack: We can tighten it and get it more accurate and use the evidence to build a more perfect image. But again, there's still holes and questions we do not have. It still seems like there's something they were hiding from.

Cristina: Yeah, but was there? I don't know.

Jack: But was there?

Jack: There be nothing they would need to hide from because they're super overpowered. It could have just been a privacy thing. We're tired. But like you changed 100%. You were sharing and then you were like, nah. And there's no way we're catching up. You can keep us in check forever.

Cristina: Mm So incomplete. But.

Jack: And maybe there were other creatures of equal technology that were coming. And that's where we include the concept of the shadow realm. That maybe there was something coming through. But then that creates quite an issue because we will have some real narrative discrepancies if that were to happen. Because are the Catholic Churches the ones summoning the creatures using the shadow realms or are.

Cristina: Yeah, that does really complicate things if they're doing both.

Jack: Yeah, it wouldn't make sense because the Catholic Church was established in order to protect the narrative of Jesus and write it the correct way and in order to suppress the knowledge of the sea people. So with that in mind, that wouldn't make any sense for the original things we thought about the Catholic Church being there being some corrupt group of people doing this. But there are other groups of people. It's not just the Catholic Church that creates the Knights Templar. But there's also the people from the library. What are they called?

Cristina: The Masons people, The Freemasons.

Jack: That's a whole other group. An entire other group. A secret society with an entirely different basis. A player we don't normally talk about, but another group that has a lot of information.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And they've. They go back through time as well. Now it's weird that all these other things we're talking about cross each other. And one of the things that we know interacts with all these other things never comes up. Which is in the Freemasons, which is an interesting idea because that just means that they're the best at hiding.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because they don't seem to cross any of these paths.

Cristina: Mm. If they do, we wouldn't know. Okay.

Jack: Yeah, but we know they do, because that's the whole point. They're interacting with a lot of the same subject matter. But when we're looking at this information, we don't find that. You have to be looking specifically for the Freemasons to find anything about the Freemasons. They seem to keep them themselves well hidden. Yeah, that's something to look into. We can definitely look into that in the future. Now we're talking about the sea people and how. Okay, so these pyramid like structures, these mountain like things, all forms of transportation they got. Are they still in the Persian Gulf oasis too then? That's the problem. Right. There's a lot of issues because they did move the Garden of Eden. But that doesn't mean that the people entirely evacuated the Persian Gulf oasis. And their technology should be too advanced for anybody to get to them. What are they hiding from? It's hiding. Dude, I don't care what anybody tells me they're hiding.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: It doesn't make sense. You have nothing to fear. Unless something as big and bad as you, you have detected.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And you're. Or bigger and better.

Cristina: What is bigger and better than them? Unless it is some relates to. What's it called? The other side?

Jack: The Shadow Realm.

Cristina: The Shadow Realm?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That's too random.

Jack: Or is there something else in space?

Cristina: In space?

Jack: Yeah. Like a different civilization that's even more advanced.

Cristina: But I hide from one spot on Earth to another spot on Earth from something in space.

Jack: I don't know. Right. And why would you think you can hide if it's that much more advanced?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's some huge giant piece missing. Yes. What was the real point? What was the real point? Yes. Maybe these people aren't hiding. The Egyptians did go out and the Mayans did create a storage bank. And then the sea people only hid the technology and they're protecting it and they're amongst us. But then why does it still feel like you guys are hiding? Why does it feel like you guys are hiding? Why is the hiding? It feels like hiding. I don't care. It feels like hiding.

Cristina: It feels like hiding. I don't know there.

Jack: It doesn't feel like, oh yeah, we're all. No, you went from trying to help everybody all the time. Do not at all to no, f*** this. We're gonna go to the deepest, darkest place we could find. Tell everybody to get rid of anything about us. Create an entire group dedicated to erasing our existence. Like, that doesn't sound like not hiding. But what could be the big boogeyman. It doesn't make sense that they would hide. But we're looking at it from our perspective of like, wow, they're so advanced. What could mess with them? But like, whatever. They're scared of Jesus.

Cristina: Obviously they're afraid of Jesus.

Jack: Why are they afraid of Jesus?

Cristina: I don't know. They all started. They hide. They wanted to hide their location.

Jack: We know that Jesus had one problem that is just a big issue.

Cristina: That he can share that location that they're in.

Jack: Because shared the location. He doesn't know the location. So that nobody. He never had a vision about it.

Cristina: Yes, and that's why it's perfect to hide from him.

Jack: Yes, but what are they hiding from?

Cristina: What if they're hiding from him?

Jack: Why are they hiding from him? Oh, because they've always successful. No, but who would even find them if they can successfully? Nobody's ever seen the place. What would him having visions about it though?

Cristina: What if he's after the place?

Jack: For what?

Cristina: I don't know. What if the Catholic Church is this. What if our first idea was right too? What if they are monster hunters in that they need the blood of these things and all that stuff. All that is right. And they're working for Jesus. And Jesus knows about their spots and that's why he has them on the mountains, just in case they ever pop up. He wants to, you know, get there, but he can't get there because he has all these churches there just waiting for them.

Jack: Interesting, interesting, interesting. Interesting point you've got here. Interesting point you've got here. Allow me to paint you a picture based on the picture you've painted me. The child is born. The child who's been having visions. Who's been sending visions through time and through space. They've been telling people about where he is and where he's gonna be. These people know eventually this child's gonna be born. Somehow, through their awesome tech, they find out. And they're like you, who is suddenly pregnant. You're definitely that lady. So you. Who fits the profile of the visions, you gotta go. But you also know this. So you're not. We're not exiling you the way that the things say. That was misinterpretation. You have chosen to protect us too. You're one of us.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We're gonna send you out. We're gonna send you out with some people called the Maji. You're not gonna know exactly who's who, but we assure you, you're good. Anyways, he's your escort, Joseph. Toodles. Now the Magi are watching. Interesting point to make here. There's the Orthodox Church and there is the Catholic Church. Both of those churches function in almost identical. Identical manner, with the exception. With the one main exception, that the Orthodox Church aims towards the original passages of the Old Testament, but believes in the New Testament, while the Catholic Church believes exclusively in the New Testament. This is the possibility that the Orthodox Church was taken over by Jesus Christ in order to continue pushing his narrative in his way. Or. No, it wouldn't make sense. It wouldn't make sense because there's only one new movement, and that's the Catholic Church. Or I guess. No, it's Christianity. And. No, but they're both. Even the Orthodox Church is Christian.

Cristina: Exactly. All of them happened because of him.

Jack: Yeah, but if he dies at 33.

Cristina: Right, but not really.

Jack: But not really. But as far as the story matters, he dies at 33.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we have Church, Catholic Church, and we have regular Christian. Other. Other branches of Christianity. The Catholic Church came a hundred years later. Okay, so then the Catholic Church. Well, the Christian Church was established, and then the Pope was created. Was it Catholic? Yeah, I think it was a Christian Church.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, so Christian Church was established and Pope was decided on. And which was Paul. And so these people are gonna fix the narrative. That's Christianity. Yes, that's Christianity. Catholicism. The Knights Templar is also Christianity. Jesus isn't tampering with any of that.

Cristina: How do you know he's not leading the way?

Jack: Because it doesn't seem that they're the ones trying to. So there must be two versions of this that's happening. There must be a version of the Catholic Church that's trying to get to. Or not the Catholic Church, but some variant of Christianity is trying to get to. To the location of the sea people. And there must be a version of the Christian church that's trying to protect the location of the sea people. And the people who are protecting the sea people are also trying to correct the narrative of Jesus so that he is just a man. So he's a son of God or whatever. While the one who is trying to reach the sea people must be fully aware of technology. We're so we're looking at it differently. It must be some mega billionaire trying to get to some location that he shouldn't be trying to reach. It has to be like Elon Musk or something. That would more likely be Jesus because he's fully aware that it's tech.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It wouldn't look like a religion. It would look like. Nah, screw that. I'm getting to no matter what. Why would he care if the goal is getting there? He knows his technology. You guys are creating religion.

Cristina: But he's not gonna tell people why.

Jack: He needs them to fight. Well, no, he would lean on technology.

Cristina: He's using his own tech. That looks like magic. Why would he tell them that? Oh, this is.

Jack: Yeah, because right now it would still. I'm thinking he would look like some of our people, but that doesn't make sense. He's too advanced. So we're not even seeing this happen. This couldn't be something we could conceive of. They're too advanced for us. Yeah, except they were trading with people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's something we're not getting here.

Cristina: Well, when they were trading with people. Yeah. I don't know. No, I don't know.

Jack: There's something we don't understand about the sea people. I do feel there's something they're hiding from. The information almost tries to tell us secretly what it is. No. That they're trying to hide. The way it's all worded and expressed.

Cristina: It's like, what? Who? Why?

Jack: Yeah, like what is it you're running from? No, it isn't expressed because nobody's saying you're running. They're like, you know, they, they. They went to hiding.

Cristina: They didn't say they went to hiding. I thought.

Jack: Well, not literally.

Cristina: No. They just said they move.

Jack: Yeah, it was a mass migration. Yeah, a mass. The mass migration took place. But why? And then to where you went? What? Dude, this was. No, there's no way this was easier. Yes. You got the tech to do it. There's no way it was easier than just doing it in some other dirt pile. Do it in the jungle. Still easier than under the ocean.

Cristina: They were already under the ocean to go somewhere else under the ocean. That makes sense.

Jack: No, not unless you're teleporting your city as a whole.

Cristina: I guess that makes sense.

Jack: You know, unless that's literally what happened. It was definitely easier to just go.

Cristina: Make another mountain and maybe they teleported the whole city. They're a thousand years advanced or whatever.

Jack: They could have moved the whole city.

Cristina: So many years advanced, but in that.

Jack: Case, it would be impossible to find. And what we're talking about when we're talking about the Bermuda Triangle, we're really talking about some super mega awesome teleportation device. As opposed to them being directly down there. That's just one of the places they could be. And this place allows them to move underneath the ocean. Teleporting from ocean to ocean to ocean anywhere they want. Oh, maybe so uncatchable. Unfindable.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that people disappear around the Bermuda Triangle because you're getting sucked into this problem and popping up different places underwater. A plane that's flying and it's just.

Cristina: Maybe I didn't know that that thing would happen when they did that. Such a giant.

Jack: Fair enough.

Cristina: Teleport.

Jack: Yeah. I think it wasn't intentional.

Cristina: Yeah, like it just. Oops. It just caused this weird glitch.

Jack: Yeah, just send this plane that was, you know, flying over some island, sent it straight into the bottom of the ocean.

Cristina: Like they didn't know that triangle was going to form above them. It just happened. This accidental. The math.

Jack: Oh, you mean the Bermuda Triangle just happened by chance? Yeah, No, I didn't.

Cristina: Not by chance. Like. Yeah, because the technology was. Even though as they're advanced, the math might have not shown that, like, oh, if something goes wrong, this is gonna. Ha. This is the.

Jack: No, no, I think because the triangle fits the triangular shape we see with pyramids, it definitely fits whatever tech that we're already using. So I'm thinking definitely, definitely that the shape we see of the triangle that we map out is intentional. I think the shape is intentional because it's part of whatever design allows them to teleport. And that's why it's such a large area. Everything else is a pyramid. It's roughly the size of a couple of blocks. This is the size of small countries.

Cristina: Yeah. That means we're not dealing with just a city.

Jack: No, we're talking. I mean, the city is just at the center point, presumably, but it could be the entire bottom of that. And think about the size of that colossal freaking civilization.

Cristina: Yeah. Maybe.

Jack: Maybe there's more than just the little group of people. We thought maybe there's an entire country down there.

Cristina: Yeah. And that's what's happening when it was in the Gulf. But once they moved, it became a country.

Jack: Atlantis. The country, not the city. It's not the city of Atlantis. It's the country of Atlantis.

Cristina: That makes more sense. Why would it be so advanced and just have a city? I don't know.

Jack: And that explains why it's such a large portion of the area underwater and why so far out to the edge is where you start seeing these structures.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: That makes a lot of sense. Interesting. Anyways, we're way out of time. Look, I think we. I'm gonna look into this religion and how they found about. Out about the mountain.

Cristina: The Persian.

Jack: Yeah, Persian religious priests from Zora, Zorro, astrianism, Zoroastrianism. Yeah. And how he found out about the people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Also, were the people of the Persian Gulf always in the Persian Gulf? As far as our records go?

Cristina: Oh, they migrated.

Jack: Or if they migrated there from somewhere else.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh, we're gonna find out. They came, I don't know, Russia somewhere else.

Jack: That's an interesting thing. I was just thinking about. These are things we got to find out. I'm also going to try to see how this mountain Olympus relates to Mount Athos. If there's any connection at all other than the obvious ones we've established. Because this narrative continues to thicken.

Cristina: Let's see if anything Norse has to do with anything.

Jack: Yes, Norse to see. Oh, interesting. Because that would tell us about the. Definitely looking through Pegasus. That seems to be really important. The gods on Pegasus going to mountains with that later gonna. And whether those mountains later have a Catholic church on them. Things that we need to know.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Also, the way that this priest described it. I wish I had his name. I'll bring his name next time. The way that the priest described it is he said that there's a realm at the summit to access. There's a way to the realm that accesses the gods. The gods?

Cristina: How dare you not say that before?

Jack: Well, not the gods. The sea people.

Cristina: The sea people. I don't understand. But he didn't think it was the gods. But he thought it was a gods.

Jack: He knew that there was a way. Yeah, I guess so. He knew there was a way through to them through there. But he did use the word realm specifically.

Cristina: That makes it feel like they're somehow related to the other side. But they can't be.

Jack: No, they can't. Be. I don't. You gotta understand that that's just one of the realms. The shadow Realm is one of the realms. There are many realms. It's like dimensions. There are many different dimensions.

Cristina: So one realm might be of the sea people.

Jack: Well, I think he might have been using this word incorrectly.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because they had no conceptualization. I think there's a pocket dimension. I think it's a space bubble that they're going in through and that maybe it's. Can you imagine? They make a hall, a room filled with doors. And one door goes to Mount Olympus. And then you go in through the door on Mount Olympus side and takes you to a room with doors. And then there's one that just says Atlantis and you just go through the door. I think that's the idea. There's a pocket dimension that they go through that shortens the distance between everywhere.

Cristina: Is that how it works though, with the other. The other world or whatever?

Jack: With the Shadow Realm?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The Shadow Realm is a weird amalgamation. Yeah.

Cristina: So it depends on pockets.

Jack: No. Did they. It's weird because we're all. We're more connected to that on a frequency type of thing because they use something from our side in order to phase into our existence as opposed to cross some threshold.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So they're present. We're all present on both sides. But we're predominantly over here and they're predominantly over there. But that doesn't mean they're not over here. We're not over there. They can see versions of us walking over there. We can see versions of them walking over here, which is. They reinforce to come over here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then adrenochrome more solidifies us over there. And then when we cross, we can come back.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Weird things. Anyways, we're totally out of time. We have things to look into. Very important things. And this narrative does successfully keep moving forward. I wonder how exactly this is gonna play out, because I know that. I think we're closer to a country and that. That makes sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that there's probably. If there is a case, that there's probably evidence. That's my guess.

Cristina: Me too. Yeah. I think Jesus is the enemy. I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: All this possible. As a closing statement, I believe that. That based on what you said, his exile then gives him the swamp for revenge. And he's fully aware and capable of accessing the technologies. Or maybe he's. Why would he. Right. You'd need to also inhibit his ability to get to you. Because if you could if you just gave him all the tools to get to you. That doesn't make sense.

Cristina: They didn't give him the tools.

Jack: No, exactly. So he doesn't have the tech.

Cristina: No, he doesn't have. But he does have tech. He doesn't have their tech.

Jack: He doesn't have necessarily any tech. He has human tech, but Adrenochrome. Well, exactly. That would be how this plays out. Adrenochrome becomes his way to figure this out. He starts messing with his own. Because, again, it's not about technology.

Cristina: That they can see into this world, though.

Jack: Who.

Cristina: If Jesus can go into the Shadow Realm. The Shadow Realm.

Jack: Yes, exactly. Because he could. He was basically trying to figure out how his people have this teleportation technology. And what he stumbles upon is nothing like what they figured out. Because to him, it looks like magic because he's never seen the technology. So he thought powers and he has this crazy level of intellect. And this is how he becomes the first vampire. He looks through time, through history, sees a pattern with blood that maybe everybody else didn't piece together. Uses brains. Pieces together. Take the thing. Adrenochrome happens, but it's just his quest. Trying to get and figure it out. It's a game of the movie Prestiged.

Cristina: The Prestige.

Jack: Where he doesn't get the trick.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And he came up with.

Cristina: He gets so obsessed with it. Yes. That he.

Jack: He figured it out. It wasn't the same solution. No, but he did the same trick and better.

Cristina: Better? Like, question about better. I don't know. But yes, it's the same thing. He's the same character. He is that guy with.

Jack: Yeah. He's trying to figure it out and stumbles upon some whole other thing. His obsession takes him somewhere else entirely.

Cristina: Somewhere darker. So much darker. Okay.

Jack: Obsession drives him. He knows he comes from somewhere unique. He swears it.

Cristina: Yep. Well, he knows it. He knows he is unique.

Jack: And people told him directly. The Manji approached him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They told him they couldn't show him. We cannot. This is why we cannot.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But then he has answers he's always thought of.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And he's like, why am I special? And they finally tell him, and then they tell him that because of this, we cast you just. You. You're not allowed. Sorry, bro. Sorry. And then he's like, nah, f*** that.

Cristina: Yeah, they probably weren't.

Jack: They weren't rude about it, but it was like.

Cristina: I mean, like, they probably couldn't see that he would find a way. Like, they probably didn't think he'd become a vampire and live forever and try to hunt them down. Yeah, like, that's kind of crazy. No one expects that.

Jack: Yeah, nobody expects that.

Cristina: That's totally not matter how advanced you are. That's kind of crazy.

Jack: And that's why his way of transforming with adrenochrome is so much more overpowered than the rest of us. We take adrenochrome, we're just a vampire. No, he's a super mega duper vampire. He's some other thing.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Is because he's also like, really? His race is some other thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Anyways, Topics for the future.

Cristina: Yes. Yes.

Jack: Anyway, if you guys want to contact us, if you guys want to talk to us, reach out to us on all the social platforms, you can find us at just convopod on Tick Tock, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, wherever.

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Cristina: And if you didn't know, this has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. It's not a thing that couldn't happen. We're opinionated preachers, so you shouldn't be surprised when the Jewish father's like, I'm not going anywhere. I'm not contributing to this. I have worked for what I earn and you're not having it. I don't care that you want a communistic thing where nobody earns and we're all equal. Suck it. No.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

March 25, 2023

Rambling 219: Planning the Future

March 25, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

What was the ultimate goal of the Sea People? Why was it so important? And why the sudden need to live hidden? The duo try to unravel the ultimate motivation behind the decisions and goals of the Sea People.

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Topics Discussed:

The Sea People
Egyptian Transportation Technology
Mayan Energy Storage Technology
Complex Language
Space Exploration
Population Technology

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