Rambling 237: Elfame
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How does magic factor into the realms? Where do fairies come from? Why does mount Athos have a barrier to magic? The duo unpack magic and it’s source and finally have a breakthrough that could explain the true intentions of the Sea People, the Garden of Eden and more!
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Topics Discussed:
- Magic
- Fairies
- Elfame
- Mab the Queen of Elfame
- Elves
- Oros
- Naga
- The Serpent
- Sea People
- Advanced Technology
- Mount Athos
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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.
Cristina: Your memory host, Christina.
Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. As everybody who's listened to this show consistently. No. We've been following a huge narrative and like, overturning every stone we can find adjacent to that. Anybody who's just arrived and has never heard any of our previous episodes, you should probably listen to the last maybe 10 to 15 episodes and like, catch up on what's been happening because it's maddening. But ultimately we've been figuring out that everything in all of time seems to connect mainly through religion. All the religions seem to be associated and be working together for some huge kind of COVID up. And not just a cover up. There's a lot of association between different things. There's a lot of powers at the adrenochromes and ways to cross into the shadow realm that shows itself everywhere. And civilizations that are highly advanced and we call gods, but are simply technologically advanced. But anyways, catch up. One important problem we keep coming across is the reason for people needing to contact the shadow realm or go there. And the most recent question we've been asking is, what the h***? Where does a unicorn come from? What are the fairies? Is the unicorn a fairy?
Cristina: Oh, yes.
Jack: And are the fruits technology? And if they're not technology, the fruits in the Garden of Eden, are they technology? Like Adam and Eve? And if they are not, are they magic? Better question, are they magic? Technology? Or in other words, technology based on magic?
Cristina: No, there's no magic. It's gotta be technology.
Jack: Then what is a fairy tale? Because we know that the gods of the mortal world themselves used to be mortal and have simply, through technological advancement over millions of years, escaped that mortality.
Cristina: So you're saying the fairies might actually be.
Jack: I'm saying the fairies might actually be magic. We know the shadow realm is something else.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Some form of actual power.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: But in Earth Realm it doesn't seem to be such a thing. Every time you dig deep enough, it just seems to be technology.
Cristina: Yeah. And these so called magical beings don't really have magic themselves. Like if you were to see them, you'd say, oh, that's like from a fantasy. Werewolf, whatever. But like there's nothing magical about these creatures they're murdering, which is in normal.
Jack: Ways, you know, and it's like even when there is something that might seem like Magic. There's a real biological thing happening, and it's being affected by power. Not magic from the shadow realm, specifically. Yeah, Just direct connection. And it's biological and scientific. You could calculate its effects. You could replicate it, which puts it in the realm of power. Because of science or biology? Well, I guess biology is science. It's science from a different realm.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But it doesn't seem to work that way with fairies. They seem to easily traverse without the need for these things that affect them biologically. They just have the ability to do it.
Cristina: So you think unicorns are fairies?
Jack: I do truly believe unicorns are fairies simply because they have this ability to just show up. The only other things we know that have the ability to just show up seem to be fairies. Now, this requires a pretty deep dive, but, oh, f****** boy. Did the deep dive payoff deep diving.
Cristina: Into unicorns and fairies or some whole.
Jack: Other thing into unicorns and fairies.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: So the main question about fairies is if they can jump from Earth realm to the shadow realm effortlessly. But the beings of the shadow realm have rules to cross, and the beams of Earth realm have rules to cross. They cannot be from either. It doesn't make any sense. At least that is the assumption I'm making. Well, following that assumption paid off. Let us open some of these doors. So, first, fairies exist in every single culture that has ever existed. Without exception. Without exception, without exception. Anywhere you look, they have mentions of fairies.
Cristina: You look throughout the world.
Jack: I looked at anything and everything I could find, and everybody has a mention for fairies. And we're not just talking cultures outside of religion. We're talking within every single religion you look, there are mentions of fairies, and they are never mentioned along God as one of the angels, as one of his. Their demigods is one of a deity. No, they're different.
Cristina: They're different. So the Bible, you're saying, also has.
Jack: The Bible as well? I mean, specifically, when we're talking about St. Patrick, he encounters fairies.
Cristina: Yes, but he's outside the Bible.
Jack: Yeah, but in. Within religion. Within religion specifically. I guess biblical text is more specific. But within religion.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Fairies seem to be everywhere. Now, not only do fairies seem to be everywhere, but they seem to show up simultaneously in all cultures around the very specific point, which happens to be about a hundred B.C.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: That's where mentions. Now, here's the weirdest part.
Cristina: What?
Jack: The mentions of fairies happened globally around this point. It wasn't like it just showed up here. These people mentioned it roughly around the same week that those people mentioned it.
Cristina: And what what was the timeline again?
Jack: About 100 B.C.100 B.C.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Everywhere. People who could not have crossed the Earth in this amount of time knew about fairies within the same year.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: What, so fairies just showed up everywhere, all at once? Fascinating.
Cristina: That is.
Jack: Every culture, every religion believes in them. They are not angels. They are not associated with any of that.
Cristina: Do you have any idea of why they showed up at that time?
Jack: Cannot tell you why.
Cristina: What do they want?
Jack: Do not know. Now, although all cultures and religions seem to have a shadow realm equivalent, the fairies are, in all instances, not connected to that place either. They are never mentioned as associated with those places.
Cristina: Is there a place they are associated with them?
Jack: We will get there. They are not part of Earthrealm. They are not part of the shadow realm.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And an interesting aspect is that they are always specifically close to certain beings.
Cristina: What do you mean?
Jack: I notice this pattern immediately, and you'll notice it, too, as I go down this list of just fairies, different kinds of fairies. So gnomes are fairies, goblins are fairies, elves are fairies. Nymphs are another word for elves. I did not know this.
Cristina: Nymphs. Okay.
Jack: Trolls are fairies. Leprechauns are fairies. We know. That's the obvious one. Along with pixies. Yeah, leprechauns. Unicorns aren't mentioned in any culture as fairies. But interesting enough, they're always mentioned where fairies happen to be.
Cristina: Okay, so these two beings might come from the same place.
Jack: They might come from the same place.
Cristina: If unicorns are not fairies, they're at least adjacent.
Jack: Yeah, very adjacent. Very important thing to mention. Now, elves and nymphs are the same thing. This is very exaggeratedly important because in Norse mythology, elves are where?
Cristina: I don't remember.
Jack: They're in Asgard, in a continent next to Asgard. They're up there in Asgard, as part of Asgard, in a continent next to Valhalla. There you go.
Cristina: That's important.
Jack: That's important, because. What are nymphs? Nymphs are just elves. Who uses that word? The Norse. And where are the nymphs? I mean. Yeah, the. The. My bad. Not the. The Greek use the word nymphs, and the Norse use the word elves.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And the nymphs hang out in Olympus with the gods. A pattern, random pattern. Both times the same creatures hanging out with the gods, but they themselves aren't gods. They're treated like gods. So, okay, I dive into elves. What's up? Elves? Why are you hanging out with the gods all the time? Come to find out, in every single culture, Elves have one very specific function. They reign over the natural forces. Mountains and rivers and oceans, all of those things. They keep natural order.
Cristina: Okay, so they are gods. They are gods.
Jack: Sort of. I suppose, if you want to call them that. Some people call them spirits, but again, they're just almost humanoid beings who just, like gods, do the thing or whatever.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Now, following nymphs and elves and all the different variants, they got same thing, different names. One thing keeps popping up. If you try to find out what the h*** they are, there's something called Elfame. Elfhame. I had no idea what Elfame was. And it was vague. It was mentioned over and over in different languages. But you look at what it means, and the word comes as Elfame. I'm like, what the h*** is Elfame? No matter where you go, you bring it back, and it's just Elfame.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And weirdly enough, in a lot of different languages, it's the same word. It's almost like hallelujah.
Cristina: And that's just. And that's just another word for elves.
Jack: No. So I had no idea what this was, and I had to dig pretty hard to sort of figure this out. Right. So Elfame seems to be directly connected to the elves and specifically to be the source of where their power comes from.
Cristina: Where their power comes from.
Jack: Where their power comes from. So Elfhame is some sort of thing. And one of these. The weirdest part about Elfhame is that it's mentioned in every culture and every religion, but mentioned differently everywhere, so that everybody has a separate piece. Weirdly enough, We've seen this before.
Cristina: We have.
Jack: With the sea people. Pieces everywhere.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But no whole picture. You need all the separate pieces to build sort of a puzzle.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And when you put the pieces together, you get an interesting word or phrase. Let's call it.
Cristina: Okay, what is it?
Jack: The realm of Elfhame.
Cristina: What does that mean? That means they come from a place, too.
Jack: They come from a place called Elfame.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Yes. And Elfame. When you then find what the realm of Elfane means, the most common, weirdly enough and stupid name, is Fairyland.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Fairyland.
Cristina: They're gonna say magic land, but okay, close enough.
Jack: Fairyland. Now, you look into Elfame, the realm of Elfame, and you immediately get one thing that just sticks way out. The name Mab. And when you follow the name Mab to a source, you get the queen of Elfame.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: The highest power within Elfhame, the creator of everything within Elfame. Okay, fantastic. Now we're getting somewhere. We have a place and we have.
Cristina: A person who made it, who made everything in there. Okay.
Jack: All of the. I don't know if she made it. I know she's from there and she made everything in there.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Was she a product of Elfame or did she make Elfim? Don't know.
Cristina: Who knows? She might have came from here and then.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Who knows?
Jack: Who knows? Now described as the greatest of gods in Elfhame. And then the God of gods. Fascinating. So, stones getting turned over, things to note that immediately showed up. Elfame not only created all things, but through logical breakdown, everything must be removed from by one relative to her.
Cristina: What does that mean?
Jack: We'll revisit that sentence in a bit.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Elves come from Elame. Elves are the human equivalent of Elaine.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: They're people. Yeah, totally just people. Now, elves like the humans of Earthrealm or the Djinn of the Shadow Realm, come below the God. Right. Elves in the human world, Earth Realm, or the Djinn world, the Shadow Realm, even if they are the human equivalent, are about as powerful, slightly more than the gods of those respective realms.
Cristina: Okay. I mean, the oath are equal to our gods pretty much.
Jack: And to the gods of the Djinn. Very important sentence I found there. They are equal to the gods of the shadow realm. Thus confirming gods in the shadow realm. That's no longer a theory. Because when you're looking at Elfham, it particularly mentions the Shadow realm and actually refers to the elf to Earthrealm as Earthrealm. It differentiates and usually mentions three locations. It's not like Norse mythology that it mentions a bunch of different locations.
Cristina: Okay. Interesting.
Jack: So this actually brings up something we can. We came across in the last couple of weeks. Asgard and Midgard and Helheim. The fact that you can physically traverse these locations tells you calling them realms is incorrect. Those are physical destinations you can reach. Yeah, just like Olympus. You could just climb to the top. Those aren't other realms. Those aren't heavens. It's a place you could just go to as a normal mortal. If they weren't stopping you by force. Just places. According to Elfame and Mav, there are only three. Only three realms.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Earth Realm, the realm of Elfame and the Shadow Realm.
Cristina: And Mab is God again.
Jack: Mab is the God.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So now we have to assume that there is no God as powerful as Mab. It's Mab on top, elves and the gods of the other realms. And then the Djinn and us. Fascinating.
Cristina: How is he much stronger? I don't understand.
Jack: Well, let's go down. What I found of Alphane. Alphane. The realm of the fairies God named Mab. The source of magic in all realms.
Cristina: Come over there.
Jack: What?
Cristina: It comes from there.
Jack: Comes from there.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Flows out of Elfame into the other realms. Which actually sides kind of perfectly with things that the Norse suggest. There's a flow in one direction.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: This one was very weird. How it showed up twice. And they used very similar language. All other realms orbit Elfame. Similar to how the planets orbit the sun and similar to how the sun orbits the black hole.
Cristina: What's that supposed to mean? I don't get it.
Jack: I don't understand how realms orbit. That's a confusing thought in general. But it showed up twice. This was written a hundred years BC.
Cristina: And we are orbiting them.
Jack: We are orbiting them. I don't know what that means. Because it's a realm. How do realms orbit?
Cristina: Yeah. Weird. Okay.
Jack: Now here is where things start to make more sense. Mab sends elves to the greatest civilizations of every realm to watch over and moderate the power of those beings over lesser beings.
Cristina: What she has.
Jack: She sends elves to the most powerful civilizations of. Of other realms to watch over and moderate their power over lesser beings.
Cristina: So she has some in the Shadow Realm.
Jack: So she has some in the Shadow Realm. This is gonna get way weirder as we keep going.
Cristina: This is pretty weird.
Jack: It's pretty weird. Now we're just deep diving in the magic.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So let's literally deep dive in the magic. Things I found out about magic. So magic can be used in other realms through many different ways. Incantations, material rituals, symbolic movements. Which is weird. I've never thought about that. But that's essentially what waving a wand is. I guess magic can be contained in other realms. This immediately made me think of three objects.
Cristina: Are they? I don't know.
Jack: Man. You exist. Lost the apples, obviously.
Cristina: Oh, well, I thought we weren't sure if those were objects. Like what exactly?
Jack: Well, we don't. We don't know. But that's. It made me think of those. That's all I said. It made me think of three objects. Runes, hexes and curses are all examples of containing magic within one of the realms. That is not Alphane. The flow happens. And you can trap the flow or not the flow we can trap what came in.
Cristina: Are just elves able to use this or we're using these. Two people are using these.
Jack: So actually I tried to establish that and it's incredibly unclear. It seems like the methods to using magic seem universal. Like the elves would contain the magic which is established. All beings of Elfame have magic Inherently within them. But then who's using these things? It's not established who's using these things, but if all the creatures of Elfame already have magic, they wouldn't need these things. They are magic themselves. So presumably these are all ways for the inhabitants of other realms to then use magic. Which, in thinking about runes and hexes and curses, it immediately makes me think of what we've called the gods and we found out are just really advanced creatures. They have not only mastered the sciences of our realm, but have learned how to literally use the magic of Elfhame.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: To move farther. Now the picture is getting more complete.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Starting to understand. Little. Little more.
Cristina: And she's not using anything that could be similar to Adam and Eve.
Jack: No, no, she can. She's the actual epitome of what everybody else calls themselves, as when there's claiming to be a God, she can just manifest things.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Now, things about magic. Magic can be used to move things between realms. So not only can the creatures of Alfeim seamlessly traverse between realms, but you can use the magic of Alphane to move things between realms. Basically, creatures within the other realms can use all the abilities that fairies have.
Cristina: Okay, so using the unicorns to do it.
Jack: Using the unicorns to move between realms.
Cristina: Unless there's stories of them using portals.
Jack: Without having fairies, the Elfame do not need portals. They can just move effortlessly between realms.
Cristina: Yeah, but I mean, like the sea people, when they went through portals, they always had unicorns.
Jack: So it seems to be the case that unicorns are exclusive to Mount Athos. And it doesn't seem that they necessarily use them to. As far as we know, because we don't really know what's happening at the very top of Mount Athos. We just know they come down, they trade, they interact. And we know the merry went up and poof, vanished. We also know that the sea people have highly advanced technologies. And we can surmise portal technology because they were moving instantaneously between Cyprus and Athos.
Cristina: Okay. Do you think they're using their portal technology, the portal technology?
Jack: Probably not taking them into any other place. I think it's just staying here. I think it's their way in and out of actual tech. It's. I think it's actual tech.
Cristina: Yes. Okay.
Jack: Hauntings are a way to attach a shadow realm being to an earthrealm anchor. That clarifies a lot.
Cristina: And who's trying to do that? This release. That part doesn't relate to the elves, does it? Are the elves doing that?
Jack: Anybody who can wield Magic can do that. It's a matter who's doing it. Anybody who's using magic to any degree, whether it's an elf who is magic or a person who discovered magic and.
Cristina: Is using it, just attached a fairy.
Jack: I mean, you can attach a Shadow Realm being to an Earth Realm anchor.
Cristina: That's crazy. Okay, this explains a lot.
Jack: Magic potions can move Earth Realm things into the Shadow Realm. Potion is just anything that you consume, which again, gives us a very specific thing. An apple, Something you can't consume.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Magic can alter states within other realms.
Cristina: What does that mean?
Jack: You can change structure, you can change physicality, you can violate the rules of nature. This gives us a couple of things. It says it could grant youth and it could literally end mortality. But also you can alter natural states of things that exist within the the realms. Rivers, mountains, Specifically mountains is the one that stands out because Mount Athos. Only until the top are no abilities capable of taking place, which means creatures were in fact or people were in fact using magic. And they get to Mount Athos and it just ceases to exist. So there's a barrier there that has been altered. And it seems like this mountain particularly was altered, perhaps by fairies themselves, to remove the ability for there to be magic there. There is something special about Mount Athos that is different to every other mountain. And the sea people have capitalized on that. I do not understand how and I do not understand why, but there is something about this mountain, in particular the sea people.
Cristina: And the fairies.
Jack: And the fairies. The fairies canceled out magic until the summit.
Cristina: That is so weird. What could that be about?
Jack: I do not know. It is very strange. Now, beings of Elfame, beings of elf fame, are generally considered more powerful than beings of the other realms which I established. Elves in Asgard, equal to the humans of Earth, but as powerful as the gods of Asgard. Because they're just humans. They're just the humans of Elfame. They're equivalent to humans, except they're as powerful as the gods. Now, the gods were once human.
Cristina: The gods in our realm, okay, they.
Jack: Were just maybe not necessarily human. That's probably a violation of logic. But like, they were an intelligent humanoid civilization that became highly advanced and discovered the magics of Elfane on top of mastered the technologies of earthrealm.
Cristina: They mostly, most likely came from Earth.
Jack: Yeah, it seems like everything that we have on this side came from Earth because they still need all these other things. They require all these other things. A good breakdown is to say power exists in the Shadow Realm, magic exists in the Realm of Elfane and Earthrealm has science. These are the ways that you advance through all of them. And we understand how to move from Earth realm to the shadow realm. And with enough time and experimentation using our sciences, we can figure out how to cross. And the same way the creatures in the shadow realm, using their power ability, have found a way to cross. But it seems like from either realm, there's no way into the fairy realm. There must be.
Cristina: So you found nothing with the shadow realm and fairy realm?
Jack: Yeah, there's nothing crossing into the fairy realm.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: There's nothing entering the fairy realm, as far as I know. And I was looking, it seems like entirely flows outwards. The only beings who can get there are the fairies, as far as I know. So elves in Asgard that are technically equal to the humans are as powerful as the gods of Asgard. Nymphs in Greece, equal to the humans of earthrealm, but as powerful as the gods of Olympus. So at all points, they are as powerful as the most advanced civilizations that have existed merely through magic ability. They're casually stronger than everything. Second, the elves are stronger than every other. Or more magical is a way to put this. They're more magical than every other fairy within Elfame. The elves are the pinnacle of magic.
Cristina: The elm.
Jack: Yes. There's nothing more magical than an elf.
Cristina: So there's other things.
Jack: There's a bunch of other things. I listed them at the beginning.
Cristina: They're not elves.
Jack: They're not elves. They're all fairies. Elves are also fairies and elves are fairies.
Cristina: Okay. And what's her name?
Jack: Mab.
Cristina: Mab. Is she an elf? Is she a fairy? Is she something else?
Jack: She's a God.
Cristina: She's a God.
Jack: She's a God. She's literally God. She's God of seemingly everything. She's. She's by no other definition, just purely God.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So beings of Elfame, in every mythology and belief system seem to preside and maintain the balance and control of the map and the natural order of all the realms. Mainly rivers, forests, oceans, caves, and primarily mountains.
Cristina: Mountains, okay, Mountains.
Jack: Elves focus primarily on mountains. The most advanced civilizations station themselves on mountains.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: With the only exception being the most advanced of civilizations, the sea people, who opted into the polar opposite.
Cristina: Mountains feel like the point where every realm can meet at whether it's the shadow, Earth or Elfhame. Like you'd have all three meeting up on that mountain.
Jack: I was actually assuming the same thing.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: I had the same conclusion that especially when you consider that the Shadow Realm and EarthRealm are mirror versions of one another. That even if everything is twisted between the two points, the top of a mountain is still the top of a mountain in both.
Cristina: Wait, how? Like for the fairy? Is it also Amera? Or is it a whole different thing.
Jack: A whole different place? Okay, there's no.
Cristina: Well, it's not established because no one's ever been there.
Jack: Okay, now no one's ever been there. It's completely vague.
Cristina: It could be exactly the same. We had no idea.
Jack: But based on Mount Kaath, we know that the top of a mountain literally connects the Earth Realm and the Shadow Realm.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: See, People hit it. But that doesn't change the fact that it was literally a focal point where you could cross over. It was a literal gate. And other mountains seem to have some. Some reason that the most advanced civilizations stationed themselves on top of them. And when you don't have a mountain, you make a. What?
Cristina: You don't have a mountain, you make a sea base? I don't know.
Jack: No, you make a pyramid, you.
Cristina: Wait, what?
Jack: When you don't have a mountain, you make a pyramid. Interesting. What is a pyramid if not a man made mountain? Fascinating. Who gave people the technology to make the pyramids? The sea people. The sea people went where under the ocean? They have the ability to build a mountain underneath the ocean. They don't need a mountain. They can just make it. They get how to create the same point that allows the magic of mountains to happen somehow. And from whatever mountain they have that down there, they connect directly to Athos.
Cristina: That is so crazy.
Jack: Where are Jesus gates mostly found at?
Cristina: I feel like mountains.
Jack: Mountains. The answer to mountains. They are a focal point between all realms seemingly.
Cristina: That makes sense. And also all of them would be attracted to mountains because there's plants, magical plants growing on those mountains as well.
Jack: There's magical plans.
Cristina: Magic is literally coming out of those portals because of what's going on there.
Jack: Yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Jack: Literal magic like focal points.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That's why the elves focus on these points. The gods are going to chill on a mountain. Well, we got to make sure we keep them in check. Do the elves? So now let us talk about Mab for a bit. Mab made everything. We do not know where Mab came from. There's no explanation. We just know not everything here.
Cristina: Just everything there.
Jack: Mab made everything. And we do not know where Mab came from. Mab could have always been. She seems to be the ultimate version of God. I suppose in theory, Infinitely Being could be a state. But Mab could have been brought into existence. Meaning there's Some hierarchy around her we don't understand. But Mab had three initial creations.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: So they're called the Nams in some religions. They're called the Fates in other religions. And they serve a very basic purpose. They are three female deities given powers above the elves, but below Mab.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: The three are Calatho, Varandi, and Itsutsuya. And they all have very specific purposes.
Cristina: Is it similar to some raffles?
Jack: No.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But. Interesting comparison. Interesting way to. Because there are three. But the first one made was Clatho. And Clatho is responsible for providing life into the realms. She delivers the life directly into the womb.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Verandi is responsible for delivering the purpose into these lives.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And Itsatsuya is responsible for ending those lives.
Cristina: Ending those lives was what, man? What if Adam and Eve are based on that? And maybe what was the other one? The first. What was the first one that Adam, Eve and.
Jack: And Lilith.
Cristina: Lilith, yes. What if Lilith was a machine, too?
Jack: Well, we know that's wrong because Lilith used Adam.
Cristina: We know she was the first to be used with Adam. What if she's Death? But then why would death come first?
Jack: No, it doesn't make any sense. Unless we're using, like, some supernatural kind of. Then again, they do a lot of homework, too. But it could be that death came before all things.
Cristina: That's what I was going to say.
Jack: But here the suggestion is that death and life happen simultaneously. So that also checks out to some degree. But no, because we know that Adam and Eve are within our realm and used by Jehovah. That wouldn't be possible if they're so superior that they're stronger than the elves that would be presiding over Jehovah.
Cristina: No, but they could. I guess that would be just based on what these guys are doing then.
Jack: Well, presumably just everywhere else. They're trying to create life the same way that these goddesses were capable of doing. Okay, but now, sticking to what you've just tried to conclude and failed to conclude, there's one very, very, very interesting thing. Although Mab had three first creations, there is something that Mab has referred to as her greatest creation. We introduce Oros.
Cristina: What does Oros do?
Jack: Well, wrong question. What is Oros?
Cristina: Is where you should have come from? I don't know, because I would just assume it's a fairy, too. I don't know. Okay, what is it?
Jack: Maybe, I guess everything from elfing is considered a fairy.
Cristina: Okay, what makes it different? What is it?
Jack: Well, let me tell you. Oros is referred to as the great Cosmic Serpent.
Cristina: Okay, that Sounds familiar.
Jack: There's a very. I immediately think of Norse mythology. Yes, but no. Small potatoes. Small potatoes. Elfame is guardian of all elves within all civilizations of power. Elfhame watches over the elves.
Cristina: What is elf? Isn't Elfhame the name of the place?
Jack: I mean, not Elfhame. Oros watches over the elves.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Oros watches over the elves in all the civilizations that have great power that the elves are watching over. So the elves watch over the civilizations that the three goddesses deliver life to from the beginning before they're advanced. The three goddesses make the primitive life that evolves into this highly complicated life that then the elves watch over.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Oroz watches over the elves.
Cristina: Okay. That's why there's one snake around us and one snake with the garden.
Jack: Well, yes, you're definitely piecing it together the right way. Weirdly enough, Oros exists simultaneously within all realms and encircling the entire universe.
Cristina: So there's.
Jack: Oros is in more places than Mab. Oros is everywhere. Mab is just an elephant.
Cristina: Okay, so he's not the snake from the garden. Because if that happens to be the case, then are they also. Did they create a realm?
Jack: Well, let me then tell you the next most important piece of this puzzle that 100% answers. A lot. A lot.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Oros is the father of the Naga. The Naga are a serpent race that are distributed one per highly advanced civilization to be part of and assist as required within these civilizations, unlike the elves that watch over the Naga, have one single member of their tribe in each highly advanced civilization, thus answering who the serpent is in the garden.
Cristina: So that means they're in a different. There's another realm. It's a fake realm.
Jack: It's doesn't have. It doesn't have to be a realm. It doesn't. There's nothing about it making a realm. The serpent gets sent to assist.
Cristina: Oh, okay. So it's. So. So, okay.
Jack: There is a God fairy assisting every major civilization in different ways.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Interesting enough, there are three very distinct examples of this. We have the serpent assisting in the garden.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: We have the serpent watching over all of the realms in Norse mythology. And we have the serpent punishing people in Greek mythology.
Cristina: Is the serpent punishing people?
Jack: Medusa. Oh, they're all just fairies approaching differently. They're all doing exactly the same thing, though.
Cristina: What is Matsud? Medusa. How?
Jack: While the serpent watches around the realms because the gods, the most advanced civilizations of the Norse ideology, are also watching around. The Greek gods aren't watching s***. They're ruthless. Monsters that go around destroying whatever the f*** they come across. So what is Medusa doing? She's also going around destroying whatever the f*** she comes across. While the gods of Christianity are doing what they're creating, they're building. So the serpent is doing what? It's building, it's creating. It's always aligned with. With whatever the strongest civilization is doing. And it's partaking equally. It's there to assist purely.
Cristina: Oh, snap. Okay. Interesting. That is weird. That is so weird. What? What?
Jack: Fascinating. No.
Cristina: Yes, that makes sense.
Jack: In every case it looks very different, so you'd never conflate them. Yeah, but if you just think of what the gods, quote gods unquote in each one of these scenarios is doing, then the serpent is ultimately doing the same thing. In every scenario, the Asgardian gods are detached or watching from a distance. So the snake is doing what? It's detached, it's watching from a distance.
Cristina: Do we have any snakes in the Shadow Realm that we know about? Do you remember?
Jack: There's no way. I don't know. I have no idea. We can only. We only have the rel. We'd have to somehow get religious texts from the Shadow Realm. And that seems impossible.
Cristina: Okay, yeah.
Jack: But there's some very consistent themes happening here. Every civilization has the elves. Every civilization has the serpents. The serpents are all son of Oros.
Cristina: And these three gods, mini gods, whatever. The goddesses. Where. Where are they? Are they just in the fairy place?
Jack: That is unclear. That is entirely unclear. I haven't the slightest clue. Okay, we don't know where those gods are. We don't know if Elfame. Not Elfame, if Mab ever leaves. Elfame. Okay, we don't know if her three goddesses leave Elfhame. We know that Oros does. But Oros is everywhere.
Cristina: So he's not leaving.
Jack: Yeah, he's not. He's not leaving. He just kind of is.
Cristina: He just is. Yeah, yeah.
Jack: And then he is the father of.
Cristina: The Naga, which are everywhere.
Jack: One her advanced, highly developed God like civilization. Okay, so presumably he gives birth to a new one. When a civilization reaches a certain point and is there to assist objectively. Doesn't seem to bother Naga. It doesn't seem to bother Elfame. Doesn't seem to bother the goddesses. Just there to assist. However the civilization requires.
Cristina: That is so crazy.
Jack: But why? But why? Especially with Naga, the Naga. What are the Naga doing? Why?
Cristina: Why?
Jack: Why are they assisting?
Cristina: Besides that. They were made for that.
Jack: Why were they made for that? What's. Okay, then that's let's ignore the Naga. Their purpose is to do this. Why did Oros make them for that? Also, is Oros short for Ouroboros? Maybe all encompassing snake.
Cristina: Yeah, okay, just.
Jack: Just a thought. I don't know. Didn't say anything about that. That's just me spitballing out here.
Cristina: Huh? But why?
Jack: But why?
Cristina: But why?
Jack: Mab makes absolute sense. God makes stuff. Yeah, fine, great. Sweet.
Cristina: Whatever.
Jack: Everybody else we know is trying to imitate Map.
Cristina: Yes, sweet.
Jack: Fantastic. If we follow the logic we've established a long time ago and there's gods trying to reach the bigger God, pinnacle. Their entire goal is to become map or conquer. Map or enter the fairy realm. Who the h***.
Cristina: Something like that.
Jack: Something like that. We have a direction to look now. And Mab makes goddesses. Right. Okay, this is totally on point with what we would understand. Yeah, checks out.
Cristina: All that makes sense.
Jack: All of it makes sense. Civilization within Elfame totally makes perfect sense. And creating elves to watch over other civilizations totally makes absolute sense. Yes. They're not interfering, they're watching over. Don't get too powerful. Don't harm the little people. Fantastic. Great. So if you created the elves to do this, and then you go out of your way and make Oros, and then Oros decides to make Medusa. Yeah, definitely.
Cristina: Then the God wasn't planning on him doing that. Like, she probably didn't seem to care. Yeah, when she made him, that wasn't part of her plan.
Jack: I'm saying that means something would exist outside of her plan. And then we're back to the whole she can't be with the God of gods. Well, okay, so being the God of.
Cristina: Gods, this has to be part of her plan.
Jack: Does there need to be a plan?
Cristina: Oh, yes.
Jack: I don't know this very Christian of you. Yeah, yeah, but does there need. I don't think there needs to be a plan. My point is, like, why isn't there a conflict of interest here? You make the elves to watch over to make sure they don't. Or is it. Or is it to keep a check on their power? To what? Yeah, the elves watching over the most advanced civilizations is entirely to keep a check on their power. So even if Oros makes the Naga, the Naga aren't stronger than the elves, even if Oroz is. Okay, so that. Yeah, sure, you might help in any manner, shape or form, but the elves are preventing them from ever getting powerful enough to either enter Elfhame or overthrow one of the goddesses. Or overthrow Mabs.
Cristina: There's too many questions. I don't know it's so confusing. I don't know. There's so much happening. Whoa. So many new rules. But it fits.
Jack: It fits. Everything is connecting somehow.
Cristina: I just don't get it. What? Why? That is a good question. Why?
Jack: Why? Why Oros? Why is Oros doing it? If the elves exist again, it could just be. Theoretically, if we were to put this into perspective, it could really be that the elves are there as a cap to the most advanced civilizations. Because we know that these advanced civilizations are trying to establish something and they're sitting on top of mountains, which gives us a clear suggestion. If mountains are the cross through realms. They're probably in every instance trying to get to the fairy realm. But there's some. Some pieces missing.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That allows them to understand how to do so. And they can cross. They figured out how to cross between at least EarthRealm and the Shadow Realm. There's many different rules and many different abilities to do so. And they've managed to confine magic in ways to wield it and use it.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But never bridge gap to Elfame.
Cristina: It's probably not possible. You think it's possible?
Jack: I don't know. I don't know.
Cristina: But you think if it is possible, these elves are stopping that from happening.
Jack: These elves are probably stopping that from happening. If it is possible. Because specifically said that they're watching over the most developed and advanced of civilizations.
Cristina: What could they possibly care about?
Jack: What could they care about? They're just living their lives right next to the Asgardians.
Cristina: They're jumping back and forth from all these different realms.
Jack: When the Greek gods are called into higher court, the elves join them. Why? You don't want them to conspire and do things you're not aware of. But why?
Cristina: But why?
Jack: But why? It's. It seems like they're designed as a.
Cristina: Cap, I think so just to keep them away from their home, from Elfame.
Jack: So then the question is, we know that a lot of these highly advanced civilizations that we refer to as gods are significantly more powerful than the other fairies. We know this because we have examples of people developing incredible amounts of power. A good example is St. Peter. Exaggerated amounts of power that you could just deflect these things. Easy, casual. There's no way in h***. The sea people can't just s*** on every other elf. Not elf, every other fairy, minus the elves. Interesting enough. I don't know of a mention of elves watching over the sea people. That's interesting. There must be.
Cristina: There must be. They have. They have the snake dye.
Jack: They have. Yeah. The Naga.
Cristina: Yeah, Serpent. So they have to have elves as well. They're mostly not fairies. Unicorns. Unicorns have to be related somehow.
Jack: Unicorns, they don't have unicorns. Are in Athos and only in Athos. Have only ever been seen in Athos. Have only ever mentioned related to Athos. There's no other mention of unicorns anywhere else. And anybody who has talked about them pointed towards Athos.
Cristina: But they were the ones with the unicorns, weren't they?
Jack: They're the ones with mention to unicorns because they're also the ones on Mount Athos.
Cristina: Oh, I thought they were writing down on unicorns on Mount Athos. Yes.
Jack: Never been a mention of unicorns outside of Athos. It seems that unicorns aren't related to the sea people. They're related to Mount Athos. Okay, but also, why the. Aren't unicorns anywhere else?
Cristina: Yes. If they're fairies, many magical mountain tops that they could be hanging out.
Jack: It could be anywhere. Just Mount Athos. There's something about Mount Athos, a specific. Mount Athos is the only place with unicorns that are most likely an animal of the fairy world. And Mount Athos is the only place on earth, as far as we know, that has magic literally disabled from the bottom all the way to the summit. And only at the summit is there. So maybe, in theory, the fairies didn't even remove the magic there. Maybe that mountain stops the fairies from using their ability and showing up. And the only people who have figured out how to do that are the sea people, which would also explain why we don't have elves mentioned with the sea people. Because they've managed to keep the elves away because they can easily disable an entire mountain. They can shut down a whole mountain. That is magic. Or not magic, but a connection between portals. Are the sea people getting too powerful? And that's the real problem. They can again, Mount Athos. They can just stop magic.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: All the way to the summit. You have to meet us where we want you. You can't surprise us. You got to show up where we are, where we want you. You're at a focal point. Ooh. You can't go anywhere.
Cristina: So then maybe they're hiding from fairies because we know they're hiding from something.
Jack: Fair enough. Oh, my freaking God. Are they hiding from the freaking elves? And thus building these technologies using as well as using magics as well, and the bypasses that prevent them, that make them not need adrenochrome. So they don't need adrenochrome to Cross. They have other methods. The fruits, which are essentially magic, which are more powerful than adrenochrome because they can go not only to the shadow realm, but maybe these fruits are allowing them more than that.
Cristina: Like what?
Jack: The ability to cross the fairy realm.
Cristina: No way. Or.
Jack: That is the plan.
Cristina: That's the plan.
Jack: That's the plan. So the sea people cancel out Man Tathos.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And the fairies can't show up there. That's why the unicorns are only there because unicorns are trapped there.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: They can't leave.
Cristina: They can't go back to the ferry.
Jack: They can't use their magic abilities to just pop in and out. They're just stuck there.
Cristina: Ah.
Jack: And then they just use them to ride around the mountain. F*** that. They're ours. They belong to us.
Cristina: Yeah, on that specific mountain.
Jack: On that specific mountain. And then the top of the mountain is the only place where transactions could happen. But the fairies already know this is a f***** up mountain. We're not going there because then we can get trapped there too. The elves aren't gonna go there, okay? Because they could be trapped there. There's no magic on Mount Athos, and they're literally beings of magic, so they can't make it there. Whatever power they used to disable magic on Mount Athos is the same s*** they were using when they were in the Persian Gulf oasis. But everybody knew where the f*** that was.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So even if we can't magically pop up there, we can magically pop up somewhere else and travel there. So instead, let us go somewhere else and disable magic there where you couldn't get to us without magic, we or our specific technology. But also you couldn't get to us with magic because like Mount Athos, we've disabled it. And you don't have our technologies. So they successfully hide from all of the most advanced civilizations and all of the beings of magic because they just can't get down there. They don't. They can't use magic around Atlantis. Atlantis is a barrier for magic.
Cristina: What? Okay, what does this mean? I don't understand. Is there a bad guy to the story? Maybe there's not. I don't know.
Jack: And are the Naga. The Naga have to be magic, right?
Cristina: Which ones are the Nagas?
Jack: Oh, the Sons of Oros.
Cristina: Wait, why is everyone hanging out with them?
Jack: Exactly. It's so broken.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Is he a traitor?
Cristina: Is he trapped?
Jack: He also isn't teleporting or anything. He's just chilling there. He's one of them.
Cristina: He might be Trapped.
Jack: He might be trapped. He might be. Yeah. He might just be trapped.
Cristina: The unicorns, they might have trapped the snake.
Jack: Yeah, yeah. Are the sea people getting really intense? And it's like the Elfham are like, f***. Like, f***. They figured this out underneath our noses.
Cristina: They're just kidnapping them. What?
Jack: Well, the Naga, specifically, yeah.
Cristina: Still pretty crazy.
Jack: The plot thickens.
Cristina: Yes. What does it mean, though?
Jack: What does it mean? Right, right.
Cristina: Nonsense. I don't know.
Jack: What does it mean?
Cristina: What does it mean? Are they. What is the goal?
Jack: What is the goal? The theory is, what we've established now is okay, yes, definitely. Most likely because doesn't make sense for the creatures of Elfame to create a barrier on the mountain because they need to be able to use magic to get there.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So somebody else did. But who is on that mountain? The sea people or. They're not on that mountain. They're never going to be on that mountain because it's a traversable location.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: They leave only a single spot on the very top. Only a single spot on the very top. Everywhere else on that mountain, magic is impossible. And if you were to go to that spot on the very top, well, you're where they would want you. So there's no way in h*** a fairy would go there. Because you'd be caught.
Cristina: Yes. It also stops. Like Shadow Realm creatures, too, or is it just a fairy trap?
Jack: Well, Shadow Realm creatures aren't magic.
Cristina: Okay, so it just works on magical creatures.
Jack: Shadow Realm creatures, when they cross to this side, in theory, function the way we do, they're just different. Then again. Then again, when we look at the wet judge and when we look at the Djinn, one, they're kind of almost literally shadows. And two, there's an ethereal thing to them. Translucent, kind of ghostly. So I don't know. Power works so differently.
Cristina: We don't know any stories about the sea people using Shadow Realm creatures or anything?
Jack: No, they specifically avoid using even Adrenochrome, which is the original connection to that site. They don't care about the Shadow Realm. The Shadow Realm isn't their goal.
Cristina: Except for Jesus was one of them.
Jack: Jesus, who's aligned with the Shadow Realm, but does.
Cristina: What does he think of the fairies? And what do the fairies think of him?
Jack: I don't know.
Cristina: I don't understand.
Jack: But now we know why it was important to cast him out. Because people were having visions of them. Yeah, you're gonna go kind of escape. It wasn't to escape the other gods. The other gods have nothing on the sea people they're overpowered. You guys can't do s*** to us. But the fairies can.
Cristina: Oh, yeah.
Jack: They were hiding from the fairies. They were hiding from something. It was about the fairies. We can't let the fairies know where we are because we're going to keep developing whatever we're developing.
Cristina: So even the fairies are dreaming of Jesus then?
Jack: Maybe. Or not necessarily. Because the fairies can contact somebody who had visions and find out where they are. Okay, but outside the point, because then are Adam and Eve. Their attempt to pause. Dramatic pause, make their own fairies. They have the serpent.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: They already managed to make life many different ways with Adam.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: They refined it to come up with us. They have the fruits. All of which seem to be magical to some degree.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But they're not done. We need to continue working with this. We need to hide this project and keep working on it. What else could there be it the other creatures weren't trying to get Adam and Eve and the fruits to make life, just normal life. That doesn't make sense. They want their own slave fairies and they know there's only one civilization that's on its way to do it.
Cristina: Mmm.
Jack: Sea people. The same people that explains the wars that were fought over Alcaraz, the Palace of Alcaraz at the Persian Gulf oasis, the Tanker War. Because they're trying to Anything, anything. They can come up with any shred of information that may help them or guide them or where the f*** are these people? Or how do we get to them? Or how.
Cristina: So no matter how advanced they are, which they are incredibly, incredibly advanced.
Jack: Ridiculous.
Cristina: Probably still haven't figured out how to make fairies.
Jack: That's the point of staying in absolute secrecy. Because once they do come up with their own fairies, if they can make up their own fairies, then these fairies would be. In theory, it would be controlling fairies. That's the goal. And then they would be so exaggeratedly overpowered. Nevertheless, you'd have a way into Helfhain. You'd have literal fairies who. If you can't go in, it doesn't matter. Send your army in just to see.
Cristina: What'S on the other side. That'd be crazy. I mean, it's not just for that, but just to see the other side.
Jack: Proof that we can send something over.
Cristina: Yeah. Whoa. What could this man.
Jack: So the sea people get really, really advanced and they're probably being watched by something. Presumably they're being watched by the elves. Obviously the elves are somewhere. We don't know where, but there's somewhere around them, close, nearby. When they're living in the Persian Gulf oasis. Absolutely. Fine, great. But they make a breakthrough, and. Or they're about to make a breakthrough. They know something that they don't want released. And before they get to that point, there's this kid. People are having visions of this kid.
Cristina: Yeah, like f***. Get rid of this problem.
Jack: We get rid of the lady. She can join us later. She wants to join us, but we got to get rid of the kid. She's on board. She's going to go have the kid. She can join us. Fine. The goal is get somewhere where there's no visions happening of your place. You can take the garden. They have the apples and Adam and Eve. Three people. Three primary people on the project. One is a literal fairy that you've somehow caught. Now, portal technology, Cypress to Athos. But wait, before we do this, let's cancel out Athos, okay? Because we need Mary to get there to could just follow Mary. We're gonna make them not be able to follow Mary. Mary's gonna use a portal to get to Athos. They could never cross the portal because they would just disappear on the other side because magic can't exist there. Boom. Okay, so far so good.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: So they cross over. Or if they do cross over to just people. We can f*** them up. It's easy. We'll capture more of them. Maybe they have cap. Holy s***. Maybe that's why we don't hear fairies relative to the sea people. Maybe they did catch all their fairies. Maybe the fairies were doing their job, the elves were doing their jobs and followed Mary through the gate into Mount Athos, where their abilities were canceled. Maybe that was the original purpose. Their abilities get canceled. Now you're just people over here. But we're technology. You cannot f*** with this. Slaves. People to experiment on. Probably you take them across into Atlantis. There's no way down there. It's too f****** deep. There's no technology that people have that can get them down there. It's exaggerated, but they know how to do it. Also, they can cloak themselves. And also they can create barriers of magic. So no other magic creature can get down there and no technology can get down there. Unless you have our technology. And only we have our technology. Nobody else has our technology. So they get down there to get Mary back down there.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: We never hear from Mary again. Where'd she go? Okay, she's down there. The serpent is down there. The unicorns are stuck on the mountain. They cannot poof out.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: They cannot poof out.
Cristina: I don't think so.
Jack: So they're trapped there. But they didn't need the unicorns. Those are our rides out here. They already like Pegasus. They like fancy rides. These are the fanciest of rides. Unicorns.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But the elves are gone too. Mary and the elves are gone. Which is also why having Knights Templar is important. Erase all the data. Erase everything. We can't have anybody catch up. Scientifically. We can't have anybody understand the truth. The more vague the better. Because then we have more time to work on our s***.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: They're down there. They're working three apples that are magic. The program Adam and Eve. The goal is some cross of these things. It was always a point. The point was always some cross of Adam and Eve and the fruits. That was the goal.
Cristina: Because that somehow equals fairy.
Jack: That somehow equals fairy. Life plus magic equals fairy. Simple. They managed to like runes. The apples are like runes. And we have the ability to create highly advanced life. That's almost at where we are in one shot. How do we cross these magic apples with the ability to create highly advanced life in one shot? Fairy would be the.
Cristina: So is Jesus the closest thing to a fairy that we have. If he ate one of the apples. S***.
Jack: S***. Not only. Oh, f***. I think you cracked something right now. Not only did he not need the apple, but maybe Jesus was the first attempt at this and that's why Mary didn't have a f******. Like Jesus didn't have a father. Jesus was the first attempt at this and it f***** up the first fairy. The first Earth Realm fairy.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: He was thus explaining the abilities he just had without the technology.
Cristina: Except when people are having visions of him, they still freaked out.
Jack: Yes. Problem.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And it wasn't. He didn't see still. Or maybe he did. I don't f****** know. Maybe dying still. Jesus might have. No, he needed the gates. So it was a failed experiment. But that it was still a lot going on there.
Cristina: Yeah. And if they're ever going to try again, it's not going to be anytime soon after Jesus. Because they saw.
Jack: They saw way more perfect. And also they're probably not going to do it in Atlantis anymore the way they did when they were in the Persian Gulf oasis.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: They're probably gonna do it on Mount Athos. And that's why nobody's allowed to the top of Athos. Not only is magic prohibited there, but there's a plethora of people stopping others from getting to the top. So though there might just be a lab on top of Athos as well. Is everything else where they would be literally Run. They come through the gate. They show up on top of Athos. Run the experiment. No magical creature can follow that gate, and nobody can get up there without permission. And only one person is allowed up there. And they know that the sea people will wreck s*** if they violate that rule. It's down packed.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And Jesus was the first, and it was a failed experiment, but still absolutely overpowered.
Cristina: Ridiculously.
Jack: Ridiculously.
Cristina: Whoa.
Jack: And then allowed Jesus. So maybe even without the fruit, communicate with creatures in the shadow realm. So Jesus was always hearing some s***.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But also, what is a feature of fairies? They can cross realms. So if they can cross the realms, they can presumably move through the realms within the realms very easily. That explains people seeing Jesus in many different places at random times. Very closely related. He can just move around a realm even if he can't easily teleport to another realm.
Cristina: But can he go into the fairy realm?
Jack: But can he go into the fairy realm? Well, no. He still needed gates to come back from the shadow realm. So moving through realms, which was your primary goal, still failed.
Cristina: Okay. He's got some fairy elements, but not all of them. Not all of them. Okay. Okay.
Jack: Yeah. And we don't have any news of fairies until I go through all these other cultures. Even Zoroastrianism has fairies, but the sea people in particular have no mention of fairies, particularly the elves, which suggests maybe they perhaps did already capture the fairies and that's how they managed to create Jesus in the first place.
Cristina: That worked out so quickly because it popped up. The fairies popped up here 100 years before Jesus. That's how fast the.
Jack: Easy, quick. Overpowered.
Cristina: That makes sense. That definitely makes sense, because they're already overpowered.
Jack: Another detail here would be that the elves were only sent because the sea people were getting too strong.
Cristina: Oh, crap.
Jack: They were the reason that Mabs sent the elves. And so, okay. We didn't manage to stop the sea people, but we kept everybody else in check.
Cristina: What? Yes. Crazy.
Jack: The moment the fairies showed up, they caught him. So ma' am got paranoid. I didn't. I forgot about that detail. They showed up a hundred years before Christ.
Cristina: Yes. That's fast.
Jack: That's fast. They instantaneously caught them.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: They knew of other fairies. Fairies have always been around, but the elves had no reason to interact with. And the second. The second they showed up, sea people got a hold of them. They're like, no way. We're stronger. So they were already stronger than the fairies. So they are stronger than the elves that are stronger than most advanced civilizations. Mabs Miscalculated. And that whole fleet of however many caught, including the serpent.
Cristina: That's very big.
Jack: No, not the big serpent.
Cristina: No, that's big. Like for her.
Jack: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cristina: It's crazy.
Jack: The sea people are.
Cristina: They're overpowered.
Jack: They're overpowered. We knew they were powerful. We had no sense of safety.
Cristina: Even to the fairies are overpowered.
Jack: Even to the fairies are overpowered and.
Cristina: Don'T understand how that's possible. I mean, I do, but still it's really strange.
Jack: It's a whole other mess.
Cristina: But we still haven't figured out. I mean, they're still really ridiculous. Oh, man.
Jack: So Jesus is half human or whatever. I don't actually know how sea people are human. There's no way to know that one. But there. He's half sea person.
Cristina: Sea person? Yeah.
Jack: And half magic, which suggests he's half sea person, half fairy. And the halfness is up. His ability to move seamlessly through. And that's the only thing keeping the fairies in Elfame safe. Because he managed to capture the elves and they managed to capture the serpent.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And they managed to capture the unicorns. They meant. Okay, magic is not a problem for the sea people. Basically that s*** is just some other bottom ground s***.
Cristina: But they're still worried about something.
Jack: They just wanted to do this in secrecy. That's all it was. They needed to do this. And they don't want people to have visions and perhaps see the tech. Have visions and know what's happening. Have visions and advance themselves based on the visions. Have visions and get there and steal the tech.
Cristina: So don't think they fear the shadow creatures at all. Think that's no problem at this point.
Jack: Unless. No, because. No, because the elves are stronger than whatever's in the shadow realm.
Cristina: And these gods, though, or these. What we would call gods that are not elves.
Jack: Advanced civilizations.
Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Like they're probably not worried about those either.
Jack: They might be. I don't know. Because the. The. Presumably the creatures in the shadow realm are also aiming to enter Alphane. Everything wants the power of Elfhame, which is the highest grade of power. It's a power struggle.
Cristina: Yes. That the sea people are obviously winning in by miles.
Jack: Everybody else is being kept in check by the elves. The sea people are keeping the elves in check. That's where we stand.
Cristina: Okay. Whoa. How's that possible? But it makes sense. It makes sense. Jesus makes sense now.
Jack: Jesus makes absolute sense. We know what Jesus is. We know why Mount Athos doesn't allow magic. We know that making Mount Kaath disappear is just hindering more creatures from figuring s*** out. We know that hiding away from the Oasis and going into Atlantis is just a way to make reaching them more complicated. Go to the furthest down bottom part of the ocean and they're gonna struggle. So there's no way to get to you. You're too far down. There's no tech that can get to you. Only you have the tech to do it. And then you could work on the apples, Adam and Eve. And you had one person get crooked. You your risk. Get rid of Lilith.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Jehovah and the serpent remain amongst whoever else is there. That might be some background helping hand. But the serpent is very important because they're there. The serpent had maybe one of two options. You can assist or die. Or f****** die. Be an experiment like the rest of them. Yes, but one directive to assist. Maybe it wasn't even a threat. Maybe the serpent's job is just to assist.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And there's not even a question. Maybe it's like, yeah, whatever, I'm here for that.
Cristina: Oh, yes. Like, they don't have to threaten him.
Jack: They don't have to threaten him. The elves had to be threatened. Captured, subdued. Dude tested on the serpent is probably one of the ones testing on them.
Cristina: And also being tested on like.
Jack: I mean, the serpent's probably down. Yeah, like, whatever.
Cristina: Yeah, sure. The job.
Jack: Yeah, my job is to help. However.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That's all I got.
Cristina: That's crazy. That's crazy. The answer is a lot.
Jack: The answer is a lot. We're getting. We're getting somewhere. And now we know about fame.
Cristina: Whoa. What? Like, what could. How. Where could we go from here? It feels like so much has been solved.
Jack: Yeah. I think everything of earthrealm has been solved. I think everything of earthrealm has been solved. Now there's probably random, obscure, useless questions that are left.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But now to find what details of Elfamer missed out and if the Shadow Realm is really involved in the same quest, which I do believe might be the case.
Cristina: I think so. I think they are. But yes. Let's find out.
Jack: Anyways. If you guys are enjoying what is being found here and you have any input, if you're making connections that we're not. Tell us, tell us. Send us messages. You can reach us on all the socials. Just convopod on TikTok, Facebook, Facebook, Instagram.
Cristina: And X. Oh, so dumb. And X, remember to subscribe and review the show.
Jack: Yes. And tell everybody we're figuring out the thing that's probably gonna get us murdered, but nobody wanted us to know specifically. The sea people were, like, busting that. That case wide open. They're gonna come for us eventually if we suddenly just stop making episodes. You know, this is se people. They got to us.
Cristina: Yes, this has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening. Bye. S.A. good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister, with social media managed by Amber Black.