Rambling 256: As It Stands 2
/What have we discovered as of late? How does it help us understand the true power of the Elysians and the scale of Elfame? And how do we fit into this bigger picture? The duo do a catchup summary to catch people up on how things stand as of now with our years of research.
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Topics Discussed:
- Elysians
- Naga
- Garden of Eden
- Shadow Gods
- Nephilim
- Magic Weapons
- Necromancy
- Refuge Cities
- Philosopher’s Stones
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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Doug.
Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.
Jack: And this is a show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. Like tattooing.
Cristina: Like, totally. I thought you were gonna say like, thing. Like you were actually saying like and whatever it was.
Jack: But like, there was gonna be an example.
Cristina: Yeah, yeah.
Jack: Oh, like bone Queef. Yes, I guess there's always an example. Bone Queef.
Cristina: Like, I think that character is dead. I haven' heard of that character in a while.
Jack: Like the thing a dog digs up and a fire.
Cristina: I guess he had to die.
Jack: No, he'll come back. He'll come back. That was come back. But listen, listen, listen. Hey, listen. God, I hate it. Can you imagine? You just sleeping. You got this. Paradise and paradise. Hey, listen. Wake the up. Hey, listen, it's an emergency. So you can take your time on this. You're gonna grab a sword and just. Just be not around for seven years, bro. Like, calm down, fairy. We're gonna do nothing for seven years, bro. Chill. It's fine, dude. We're gonna get to it. We're gonna have a seven year break in between. Not after sleep. Yeah, just in the middle. Chill, bro. There's time for whatever. Literally requesting for time. Oh, literally. Like, no. I mean, if I put the sword back, I just go back in time, bro. Let me sleep. I can. I could just go back.
Cristina: The future version is the very less annoying.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Like maybe grew up like it was a baby fairy being annoying. Like, hey, listen to me. Listen to me.
Jack: Oh, you think Navi was just young? Because he was young and he aged. So she aged. So the question is, was Navi? I mean, I guess because Nami follows him everywhere. So she was also just trapped.
Cristina: Yeah. I don't know how fair is work, but who knows?
Jack: All these fairies just trapped inside that chamber with him for seven years.
Cristina: Oh, no. But then she would have.
Jack: Wait, where was. Where. Where the h*** was Navi then?
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: Just chilling. Well, I guess I'm going stay here.
Cristina: Until she found the may reproduced.
Jack: Well, no, this is interesting. Weird thought related to that. But if a thing is like Navi's assigned the link and all the fairies are assigned the elves. Right?
Cristina: So.
Jack: Or I guess not elves, but the kids from the woods. The four. The fairy kids, you know, the what is whatever. The Kakaroki children or whatever them.
Cristina: You just call them elf kids. Yeah.
Jack: So if they get assigned a fairy and this is the first time ever that somebody just like poofed in front of a fairy and they're just gone, just not there. Like what, Step two? Like maybe. Maybe Navi different did well. No, his job was.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: So, like. Well, this is where it happened. I'm going to just wait. Time works different for fairy. Maybe. I don't know.
Cristina: You think you just waited?
Jack: Would. Would it matter? I just stayed there and then Link popped up. I'm like, all right, what's up?
Cristina: It's really sad.
Jack: Well, is it? If time works differently, it's sad for us because we're losing something.
Cristina: Ah. But for a fairy.
Jack: For a fairy, we haven't considered this. We know that for Shadow and for Alame, things work very differently.
Cristina: But for a video game character.
Jack: Yeah, but now that's just making me think about how time works differently. Because if we take the idea that gods, you know, God took seven days by his own time to make everything.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: But what is a second to God? Infinities. To us, colossal infinities.
Cristina: Okay, right. Yeah.
Jack: So then are creatures in Elfhame and in Shadow experiencing time differently in these kinds of ways?
Cristina: It would be impossible to know. But it's possible.
Jack: It's possible.
Cristina: I guess it's possible.
Jack: Very odd.
Cristina: Mm
Jack: It's a thought I've never had. Anyways, now we're on that topic. So now that it's the end of the year, I thought it would be interesting that we can. We did this once before where we kind of like put as much of the ideas together and actually came up with a couple ideas as a result of talking about all those things. And we called it as It Stands, where we went through all the collected detail. So I've added this to that. And we're going to go through all the new stuff. But I have all the old stuff so we can compare notes. Oh. If we need to discuss anything in particular. So we're just going to go. Essentially, what I want to do is, as we're doing this research, this is the year in review. You could say the second part. We basically did the first part when we did, as it stands, maybe like two months ago.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So now we'll do as it Stands too, summarizing the other stuff. And we're just going to go through the things we know as of now.
Cristina: How it relates to the old stuff that we learned.
Jack: How. Not the old stuff, because we already talked about the old stuff as we were just doing that. We were just summarizing before. So right now we're going to pick up where we were when we finished. The last thing we talked about when we were in, as it stands one was talking about the different types of groups using the United States government to organize and collapse things like the World Trade center to get access to either fear or get access to drinochrome. Or perhaps that was a moment of creating a small scale philosopher.
Cristina: So, okay, I sort of remember that.
Jack: Yeah. So with that in mind, we proceeded that by getting curious. That made us curious about the Naga, the deep dive into the Naga. Because we were like, okay, we have this collection. We're gonna break this apart and start focusing in directions. Because focusing on everything together gave us a lot of cool ideas. So what if we isolate individual subjects and you know, focus on the Naga, focus on this group, focus on that group as opposed to try to get the whole picture together. Just stop looking at the picture, look at people involved and see what they have in common.
Cristina: Okay, yes.
Jack: Right. And so the first thing we started exploring was the Naga, which got weird instantaneously when we started looking at the Naga because we found out a couple of interesting things. For example, the fact that the Naga have a civilization with in Elfame from which they take order and direction to go assist civilizations from around the world. The world? The most advanced. Well, developing ones from around the world, yes.
Cristina: Do we know it's. If it's just in this earth or do they also send them to the Shadow Realm?
Jack: We do know they send them to the Shadow Realm. Yes. Because they have the two Gods. Not the two Gods. My bad. The two Kings.
Cristina: Oh, no. But I thought they just went there because like they came here and then they went there because of stuff that happened. They didn't automatically go there. Or did they automatically go there?
Jack: Yeah, they have a Naga King assigned to every thing. There's Naga Kings in Alfame. There's Naga Kings. I mean, not Naga Kings. There's three Naga Kings that rule the people that they send to the three civilizations that are in Alame in Shadow.
Cristina: Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, I remember that. Okay, the Three Kings or whatever. Yeah. What were they again? The three Kings? One was.
Jack: What were their names?
Cristina: Yeah, and positions or whatever. Like were they sending.
Jack: Okay, let me see, I got first. Nah. Nagaraha is the word that means King of the Night of the Nagas. And so Shesha, the first appointed king of the Nagas, is in charge of maintaining order among the among and assisting order, assisting Oros with assigning civilizations to Earthrealm and Vasuki the second Naga King is assigned to the Shadow Realm.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And Takshaka is. Who watches over those two. He's the king of those two kings. So the high rank. The king of kings. So he's the alfame one.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Watches these two.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Yes. And that was just some weird additional thing that happened at one time.
Cristina: Yes. So they do have them in the Shadow Room.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Okay. Okay.
Jack: Yes, yes. Then looking at the Naga, we did find something interesting, which was the first occurrence we had of reading, which then became prominent. And we found that everywhere, like every other thing we discover. Which was Kido, Zeus's Naga, who Zeus appointed to somehow create more of him. And this resulted.
Cristina: The Naga experiments, I guess, resulted in.
Jack: Medusa and her sisters.
Cristina: We'll follow the experiments.
Jack: But yeah, they weren't exactly him, but they were pretty close. And Medusa was a whack one, but the famous one, because presumably she's the dead one. We all. We just know the guy who killed her, who thought they were immortal and killed. Killed one of them alone. They can't die. And I killed them. I'm legend and that's the one who died. Haha. I'm gonna go down in history and it's like, no, that one could die. That's why you killed it. This is. That one could die, bro.
Cristina: Okay, but he didn't go in history.
Jack: No, she went down in history because she got killed. And who the h*** did it? We still don't know. We're assuming Hercules.
Cristina: Yeah, right. I don't know.
Jack: Okay, but now we have Naga civilization. We have kings, we have order, military order almost established. Here you go there you go here, hierarchy. Then we have over here us building experiments in an attempt to replicate what's happening over there. Because now we're not even talking. Now we're talking about us using an assigned Naga to try to create a Naga with Kido, making the Medusa and her sisters.
Cristina: You're saying us, but it's not really us.
Jack: Us as in Earth Realmers. Okay, but then we find out about the human Caldinia, who gets a hold of a magic bow capable of killing a Naga and is set to kill the Naga princess, daughter of Suki.
Cristina: Wait, did they do it?
Jack: They did not kill the daughter. They fell in love with the daughter and then hid the bow.
Cristina: Ah, okay, that's a crazy story.
Jack: But that gave us the one with the one important bit of information, that there are items.
Cristina: Oh, yes. I. I feel like we haven't really solved that. Like we kind of get it, but don't really get any.
Jack: We're still. Yeah, we're on the surface.
Cristina: If anyone made those weapons, it wasn't the N. It was probably not the Nagas, but they probably helped the.
Jack: Yeah, the Naga didn't make that bow for sure. The bow was made by somebody in Earthrealm.
Cristina: Yes, a se. Person or whatever you call them that I don't remember.
Jack: Elaine, not elame. Alician.
Cristina: Okay. Lesions.
Jack: Yeah, the Alicians.
Cristina: BC people to me. Okay, well, they obviously made these weapons.
Jack: I mean, the problem is as we start. Look, dude, we were sleeping on the Greek too. Like as we start looking into the Greek, they're like. They're subtle, dude. It's weird because what happens with them is different than what happens with the Elysians. Because the Elysians have actively suppressed a lot of stuff and given us alternatives to believe.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: While the Greek haven't. They just have a lot of. A lot of volume, a lot of noise, a lot of convolution. So finding out what's. What is impossible. And from their own accounts, they don't know. So you get it from other people. And then coming across the leaps and bounds of tech that lead to something like Glycon, which again is Glycon.
Cristina: Well, it's a thing person, Glycon, both.
Jack: From the Greek is the Naga, who. We did not know why he was spending time with the Greek gods.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: We were confused about that guy. Like, why the h*** are you hanging out with them? Because Keto is the one assigned to that team. And we were thinking Glycon is assigned to maybe a shadow person there or something, you know. But then when we were looking deeper into it, we find out that Glycon is just as Shalypius, which is one of the Greek gods that. That seems to have disappeared.
Cristina: That turned into him.
Jack: Yeah. And then using some Keto genius and DNA managed to create Glycon, the artificial Naga that is almost perfect.
Cristina: Which I don't know what that means.
Jack: I don't know what that means either.
Cristina: Almost perfect too. You probably can't enter the shadow, the.
Jack: Fairy world, which me then what's the point of it, right? There's a lot of weird when it comes to that. Really complicated. Like what's a. What a waste.
Cristina: Yeah, that is weird.
Jack: But it is. I don't know. Now, the Caldenia, the guy with the bow, he falls in love with that princess, hides a bow and they together form on Earth realm the Funan dynasty. Which is one of the few places where Naga and humans live in pieces together, which is one of two interesting places of this nature that we have found. Or not two, but two types. With the other being we have recently found out about the home of Nephilim being together up north in Norway.
Cristina: Oh yeah. But that one's even more complicated.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But we got both, which is interesting.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And we know of shadow people just living amongst humans. Or not just humans, but earthlings in general. But we'll circle back to that as we come through those. Because the real point of this dynasty is that it brings us to the next bit of information that we discovered following. Because chasing the Naga was in formation dense. We still haven't left the Naga. We're still just talking about the Naga right now. Because the Funan dynasty. The home of Caldinia where he impregnates his wife and has a half Naga, half human hybrid. Astika. That's when we first found out that a perfect enough human form for a Naga is indistinguishable from a human form for Ib. For a human. So a human can reproduce as long. Presumably as long as the Naga does not leave that form. Or if they did change to form with their body move in such a way that the baby would be safe. I don't know.
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: I don't know.
Cristina: I don't know how this is.
Jack: Thoughts?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Thoughts you don't normally think about.
Cristina: Like if it was a snake while they had sex with that guy.
Jack: No one had to be a woman. It couldn't get pregnant as a snake. And then again, back to more Naga stuff. Man. These episodes with the Naga it was two episodes. Because there's so much crap. I remember that much. This is where we also learn about the Supasatra. Which is. Is what? Astika, the son of Caldinia saved many Naga from which was the leader of a region in that time. Was he figured out his great great grandfather had somehow figured out how to create a ritual that would result in philosopher stones made from Naga. And this guy went out of his way to execute the plan. And that's when we find out. Oh, there could be fairy philosopher stones.
Cristina: Yes. Okay. This takes us back to those fairy trees or something we're not sure. Are portals created from dead fairies?
Jack: Are portals created to dead from dead fairies? Because the trees just creating Earth Realm means the trees created the portal that sprung a whole universe. So if the tree did that, then the death of a fairy is such a weird phenomenon that burying it in the wrong place resulted in the creation of a universe.
Cristina: Well, the wrong Place. I feel like it was done intentionally.
Jack: Yes, but not where they're supposed to be. Maybe this is the first of that. Or there are way more realms branching out of shadow that we can't access. Okay, so shadow can. And Elfame can, but we can't. Because whatever thing is happening here is preventing us from moving sideways. But we can move up or down.
Cristina: Okay. Unless we figured out.
Jack: Unless we figured out how to do more.
Cristina: Well, we don't. But those other people.
Jack: Interesting.
Cristina: They have to know how to, though. How are they so much better than everything else as far as we can see? I don't know.
Jack: But the. The creation of. So what's the process? Well, our guess is that Yaldabaoth used fairies, killed them then. No, it doesn't make sense. Because did he use the death of fairies to make the stone? Or did he use the death of fairies to make the trees? The weird problem we didn't think about because again, we didn't talk about this back to back, but what the h*** did he use the fairies for then? It seems kind of clear at this point. Yaldabao murdered a bunch of fairies.
Cristina: And he could have done both.
Jack: He could have done both. Because the point is he has a philosopher so made of fairies. Yeah, like fairies are dead. That's just what it is.
Cristina: And we know there are trees, and.
Jack: We know they're trees. But I don't think that the fairies made the portal. I think, no, it's so hard because they made the portal, the tree portal. But the other portals know because sorcerers are figuring that out. Necromancers are figuring something different. So there's a different way to do it. It's not really the way we're looking at. The fairies had nothing to do with those portals. The fairies are responsible for accidentally creating Earthrealm as a result of their own death and of creating a philosopher's stone, which chances are, the first fairies to die made the philosopher's stone. The second fairy Sedai were planted, creating the trees that then resulted in Earthrealm, thus being an intention of Yaldabaoth philosopher's stone used on fairy to make tree.
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: I think maybe that's the order. I don't think it was plant the fairy's corpse and boom, tree happens. Because that's what happens in fairy forts. You. But that has a tree too, d*** it. There is a tree. Where you plant the fairy is a problem. Yes, but then why don't those have the sacred fruits?
Cristina: Because they're the fruits. Are there they're just on the shadow realm side.
Jack: Shadow realm side? Yeah, we don't see them. The fruits only grow on the shadow room side.
Cristina: How do we know the fruits and the stones are not one and the same?
Jack: Because the fruits were seeked in the shadow in the Forest of Shadows, and the stone is made of dead people. Both El and Jehovah had to travel to the Forest of Shadows along with the. The judge's sister. Okay, Inanna, all three cases is they have to go to the Forest of Shadows. While the two factual instances we do know for a fact and the one that is asserted by the circumstances surrounding it, which is Yaldabaoths, all the first two literally have texts telling us that people were essentially sacrificed. And Yaldabouths is essentially suggested circumstantially that he must have because he has a stone made of dead fairies. Like, how do you get it, bro? Okay, it is really complicated.
Cristina: Are they making stones and trees?
Jack: How are they making stones and trees if it's the fairies? And the idea here is fairy farming and fairies are the ones on the back foot right. Now, maybe at some point they weren't, but at some point around the time where the elves were designated to start putting some caps on people's ability to continue expanding around that time, that's when it was too late.
Cristina: Yes. Okay.
Jack: You know, and like, that's when they were on the back foot. That's why they did it. So something happened around that time, which is a hundred years before Christ. 100 to 300. Somewhere in that ballpark, before Jesus is when fairies. Shut up.
Cristina: Shut up. Okay.
Jack: The. Well, specifically the elves.
Cristina: Which ones are the elves?
Jack: The ones stopping the power or the development beyond a certain capacity, I think started hitting the fan back then.
Cristina: Anything. They were the ones that were sacrificed to make stone or.
Jack: No, no. But I think that they are on the back foot. And I think that the problem here is that maybe the people on this side are so rapid that in progress that fairy farming is becoming quite viable. And that's a problem, at least for the people of Alfame. Now, this is crazy because we learned a lot just from like deep diving into the Naga. That was the most useful information dump we have had for a while. And that opened mad doors. This was just. Again, those two episodes entirely came from us having done the previous summary of information. And we're already coming up with just interesting ideas that we have not thought before.
Cristina: Still so many questions, but yes, so much info.
Jack: But following the train of thought, it worked with the Nanga So do it with everything. So then the next group that we decided to put a magnifying glass on was the Garden of Eden. Because just the realization that the Garden of Eden is the name of the group was an amazing revelation on its own. Now, what are the Garden of Eden? They are the Elysian group with Jehovah, Lilith, Nahas, the serpent, Lucifer, Samael and many others. Many, many others. Now, going through that, we learned quite the bit of information that we did not know before. Interesting tidbits that we discovered. One, there is a discrepancy with Lilith that seems incoherent among the text.
Cristina: Oh, how? When exactly? Does she betray them or something? Yeah, like in the timeline.
Jack: Yeah, where she fits. Exactly. Exactly. Because it seems as she exists both around the time of El and around the time of Jehovah, which is fine. Sizen does too. But then did you. Did you. Didn't you lose your privileges when you used Adam? How are you here again? But you weren't there for Eve, it seems. There's no mention of Lilith during Eve and that's notable. There's just no Lilith. But then we get to making of Jesus and Lilith is there again and it's like, not in the Bible, but if we look at all the Gnostic text, she keeps popping up and it's like, but why? And like, what is this middle period you were in? This doesn't make any sense.
Cristina: She was punished and she's cast out.
Jack: Officially by Jehovah, but she left willingly from L. So I don't. Yeah, like what?
Cristina: The all happened the way, way long ago. Yes, she left and she came back.
Jack: She didn't come back to anything. This is a different guy.
Cristina: Oh, she didn't come back. She joined a new group, I guess.
Jack: Yeah. So Lilith. Weird time gaps, but that wasn't as. It's not impactful as much as it is interesting. And maybe we'll revisit if information tells us that is more useful than we think it is. But even more interesting is Lucifer, because there's a trio here that's really weird. And it's essentially Lilith, Lucifer and Samael, because Lilith is the right hand to Lucifer. Lilith is. Or Samael is in love with Lilith, so he goes wherever she goes. Lucifer uses Samael's DNA, physical structure and body to then create a replica using a transitioning technique he discovered to turn himself from a shadow person into an Elysian.
Cristina: Weird.
Jack: Weird. So he looks identical, sounds identical, is physically indistinguishable from Samael, but that's fine.
Cristina: Shadow version of him?
Jack: Sort of, yeah. Except he's. He isn't Elysian. He just has additional characteristics. It should be impossible. Which. Yeah, the shadow version of him, but then it doesn't matter because original Samael then uses Naha's DNA and physical structure, or not DNA, but the equivalent of whatever you're gonna get out of a fairy and his physical structure, along with Lucifer's transition technique to then become Anaga himself. Yeah, with the help of Lilith. This was a Lilith experiment. So Lucifer looks like. Sounds like Samael.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Who is in love with Lilith, who is Lucifer's right hand lady to begin with. So now the guy who's trying to f*** her is her boss. And a snake is now trying to her.
Cristina: That's Lucifer trying to.
Jack: No, Lucifer's not. Oh, the guy who's trying to her is a snake.
Cristina: Oh yeah.
Jack: Now he's a snake.
Cristina: Yeah, but she was cool with that. She want him to be one.
Jack: Yeah, sure. He's a puppy or a slave or whatever.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But now your boss looks like the guy who's trying to you. It's a problem. The guy who's trying to you is your boss.
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: You know, it's. It's such a complicated mess happening there.
Cristina: Yes, yes, it is. But how. Boss is a weird word. I feel like they all work together.
Jack: Yeah, they work together, but there is. I. I would. Yeah, boss is the wrong terminology here because Lucifer wasn't the leader anyways. It was Jehovah.
Cristina: Yeah, yeah. If anyone was gonna be put say they're the leader. Like these three were just working together hand in hand. And not really, because weren't they all doing their own thing, sort of. Well, Lilith, at least they all had.
Jack: Different types of projects. But the projects would consistently intersect with one another.
Cristina: Yeah, they were more like co workers.
Jack: Yeah, yeah. Then out of the Garden of Eden individuals. Where it gets really, really weird is with the Samael and Lucifer combination minus Lilith. Because then that explains a lot of the confusion that exists throughout history. If we consider Samael, Lucifer and replace Lilith with Nahas. Now if we put them in a row, we have Samael in the middle, Mahas on one side and Lucifer on the other. The events of all three of these people are impossible to distinct who did what because you don't know who's who at what time because of when their transitions happen and what they are. Somebody in the Garden of Eden used incorrectly tech that was there and was cast. That's Lilith. Yes, Right. The serpent she was with was Nahas. He's the member of the team. Lucifer was not involved in doing this. No the first time. But we think Lucifer. But really? Because we think Lucifer and we think Samael and we think Samael and we think serpent and then serpent links us back to Nahas and then bam. Oh. Lucifer is the snake.
Cristina: But he's not.
Jack: But he's not. Nahas is the snake. That had nothing to do with Lucifer. Lucifer got blamed for some other s***.
Cristina: Yes. But he was definitely doing something much later. Yeah.
Jack: It was Lucifer's departure. Happens with Jehovah. Because Jehovah says we're no longer sharing.
Cristina: Yes. Because everyone was dying.
Jack: Yeah. And he's like. Well he agreed with that part. But he's like we should share with the people who are capable that we've proven are capable. And he's like no, no, we're not sharing with anybody anymore. What we got is what we need. That's it. And it's like you're gonna leave everybody in the Stone Age and we're just gonna dip on them. So he was not down with that. And that's where that disagreement happened. But that happens in the year one to us.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You know that's very, very, very different than Lilith using Adam at the wrong time a hundred and fifty zero zero zero years ago and now has having just been around and Lucifer being blamed for some that was outside of his existence. Which is what happened. D***. And then Samael also has nothing to do with any of this. Actually somehow is just an elation. But no, this is a funny.
Cristina: Because that's her boyfriend.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: No.
Jack: I guess. I don't know. It's not clear. I don't think that was terminology that made sense back then. They weren't married. Nahas was also not back there. 156000 years. I have no idea why both Lucifer and Nahas got toss the boss for some.
Cristina: Lilith did that long ago.
Jack: Yeah. I don't know why that's in the book like that. It doesn't show up anywhere else. It does not. It's Lilith. It was 100%. She's the only one who did anything.
Cristina: Well they kind of took her out of the book. So they just replaced her with the other guys. Exactly.
Jack: Members from later. They're basically just trying to cut off. I guess that's. I guess that's part of it. They're trying to cut off anything before Jehovah. Yeah, no, I just. Just began 5,000 years ago.
Cristina: Yes, yes.
Jack: Recent. So you can't have any of that other. It's like if you cut that off, then Lilith didn't do.
Cristina: Okay, that makes sense.
Jack: Lilith who, bro?
Cristina: Yeah, Lilith who?
Jack: Well, the thing still happened. Oh, that guy did it. Yeah, it. Both of them? No, it's one dude. It's one dude.
Cristina: Double bro makes the story more simple.
Jack: Simple, but d***. That means he's just throwing random people under the bus for absolutely no reason. Lucifer and Nahas both got shafted somehow is sketchy because he does weird. I understand people being like, Lucifer's supposed to do bad stuff, so I'm okay one. But it's because somehow really does some sketchy. He just does whatever the h*** Lilith wants. Like turning his freak himself into a serpent thing.
Cristina: Yeah, but how does that affect anyone?
Jack: For what?
Cristina: I don't know. That's just a creepy kinky thing that they're doing. I don't know.
Jack: He could still turn back to a dude.
Cristina: Yeah, like how does that affect the world?
Jack: Yeah, I guess. I guess it's ultimately unimportant. And his base form. But his base form is a snake. That's really what it is.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: He could just human out. Not human. I guess I'm not human. But he can Alicia now. Oh yeah. I want to. But she's also. Whatever. She was already kinky. She's not elation to begin with.
Cristina: No.
Jack: Not even human. She's not from Earth.
Cristina: Exactly.
Jack: Some other. Some other s***.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Like whatever. She's down with putting crap in holes or whatever they do.
Cristina: Whatever they do.
Jack: I'd never thought about it. Whoa.
Cristina: No idea.
Jack: There's a lot we don't know. No, just stupid abstract questions that don't cross our mind. Like how do shadow people reproduce random side episode to do one there.
Cristina: Yes. But also. Yes, please. What if they do need something special? Because why did she make. She made her children through the stone. She didn't give birth to children. But maybe there are stories of her giving birth to children. I don't know.
Jack: You have a point. That is incredible.
Cristina: I don't know. We'll find. We'll figure that out in the future.
Jack: Interesting. Interesting, interesting, interesting. Because she did use the. I mean. No, this is the floor man.
Cristina: Well, the story says she gave birth, but in real life she used the stone or something like that. But you have an idea?
Jack: No, I'm just fascinated by the idea that she did in fact feel this professional, this individual who knows what to do, when to do, still felt the impulse to drive to make life with the stone and all the descriptors put Lilith as female among the shadow people. Whatever that means. And her interest seems male based on her interest for somehow who is a male. An Elysian male, which, okay, maybe they can't reproduce and this was the way the desperate. Because what is. Oh my God.
Cristina: Oh my gosh. The first guy who used the stone. No, that doesn't make sense.
Jack: No, no, no, listen to me, listen to me. It's connecting. It's connecting because the point, the one point, the goal of Osteomorphous, the Naga that was artificially made by Yaldabaoth was with d expressive intent. To what?
Cristina: Make more.
Jack: Make more. But why? Why didn't we connect those two dots before?
Cristina: That has more to do with the shadow. I mean, no, with the ship.
Jack: Let's just make more. Make more, as far as we know, just make more is the one thing connecting Lilith using the stone and yeah, we've connected to completely random things. He just impulsively went out of their way.
Cristina: But we know that there's children in the Shadow Realm. Didn't someone have a daughter who traded lives with a princess or. No, she was a princess. She's a daughter slash princess.
Jack: Yes, yes, like Inanna.
Cristina: Yes, but at the same time, did they only start giving birth after the guy made the stone? Like, was the first thing he found out about fairies killed fairies made more Shadow Realm people when he was making more humans. Like, did that happen at the same time? Okay, I know we know time works differently too. Or maybe we had that idea in the beginning of this episode.
Jack: Not that we know that time does work very differently. But there is something very interesting that you have just mentioned. Keep in mind, I have to compose this with ideas of where I'm going to some degree, right? So I look for things that I'm going to we free for all. But I know what I want to talk about. So I leave a lot of timestamps when they don't matter out, because who cares? But for the sake of timestamping things, there is a weird pattern that I did notice and I looked into and couldn't find anything of significance. Where maybe about 500 years before Christ to about the 1800s with the very center point being the big chunky peak. It seems that stories of creatures we would describe from the Shadow Realm get more frequent and more frequent and more frequent. And then getting to somewhere im like the 1100s or so, it starts tapering off, slowing down, slowing down just less and less. But there's that hot spot in the middle, just for no reason. We've joked about these periods in the past saying that this was one of those moments where the Catholic Church was just pumping out a bunch of demons and s***. We've talked about stuff like that before, but we've not addressed the time specifically because that wasn't relevant to the episode. We were just talking about the Church and the Simpson or this creature specifically. But this pattern has persisted where around the 1100s is the most explosive amount of stories. But it kind of falls off.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And there's kind of like a tiny little spike 17 to 1800 right before it almost goes nowhere. And now we just got alien source. But interesting because did they figure a thing out? Was what's the point of the f****** of Oceomorphos to use. If you really are a hundred percent what you are, then your powers like Oros. Because Ophiomorphos purpose is to be like Oros, not like any other Naga. Yaldabaoths Naga, the one he artificially created.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And Osteomorphous is to create more, which means you are perfect like Oto's, which means you can do things that Mab would ask. Things beyond the capacity that a normal Naga would ask. You wouldn't be described as a Naga. You're described as a fairy.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Oros, which means Osteomorphous is identical. Which means asking Ophiomorphos to give my people the ability to produce, to reproduce, to give birth, to multiply. Allow us to multiply would in theory be within the capacity of Ospeomorphos, because Yaldabaoth would have successfully created a God more powerful than he. With Osteomorphous, if he is identical to Otos, who is a fairy. And then you get the people to multiply and we have this giant spike. Then we get Yalda going to visit L and Sizen being there too. And then Derek, because he already went back there to tamper with them when they were just whatever the h***. They start to get really intelligent, start to get really overpowered. Technology here are other realms. Know about it. Look for it. Find me when you have the tech buddy. Also, there's my son. Go, go join him.
Cristina: Exactly.
Jack: Mingle.
Cristina: Yeah, mingle.
Jack: Hang out. Also we can reproduce now. I have a son. What? I have a f****** son. You meet my f****** son.
Cristina: What's that?
Jack: What's that about? Could he not have a son before? Is that that? Did he not. And then he did the thing and now he could have a son. And he has a son. Citizen has a f****** mom.
Cristina: No, I mean if they're using this tech, they don't need to.
Jack: It wouldn't be tech if they used. If they got altered by Oros.
Cristina: Thing is changing.
Jack: I guess it's not auto, but. Osteomorphous.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Is autos short for something? Because then if. If it is, then I could just shorten ospeomorphos as well and say otos and also OS4 or whatever crap.
Cristina: No, that doesn't sound good. There should be a way to turn it, but we haven't figured. What was his whole name again?
Jack: Osfeomorphous?
Cristina: Morpheus.
Jack: We could say Morpheus. Morpheus, but. Yeah. So that's some s***. This is exactly the point of this. When we see the information all stacked up together, certain things become clear that we wouldn't have thought about before. Is reproduction part of this objective for all of them? I don't know. Because it also seems like there is a huge counter. Like there's a fight of, you know, an attempt to stop this from happening coming from Alfame. Like, why it has to be for more than just the reproduction part.
Cristina: I know, but a lot of it has to do with the reproduction part.
Jack: It seems like at least Yalda and Lilith, who are two quite important individuals, both had reproduction on their minds.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Tells us.
Cristina: But what are the stones for if it's not for that too? I don't know. Because it's reproduction in its own other way. Like, you know, making us. Yeah, we're children.
Jack: I don't know.
Cristina: There's some experiment. We're also. They're giving birth to us.
Jack: In a way, what we're missing is essentially the quantum theory. You get my point? Like the thing that's connecting that. We got a lot of completed ideas, and we know they're all related, but we don't know what the f*** that centerpiece is that connects them is. But we know. We see it. We visualize how it goes together. But we don't see the centerpiece. And it's like, it's not there anywhere. Why does. Why hasn't any of this revealed to us the ultimate goal?
Cristina: Because they. They hit it very well.
Jack: Tell me about it very well is an under f****** statement at this point. They hit it well, that's the. No, it's invisible, dude. What?
Cristina: It's not completely invisible. We have glimpses here and there.
Jack: No, we don't. We don't. No, no. We have. Not even the slightest.
Cristina: We have shadows.
Jack: Yeah. At best.
Cristina: At best? Yeah. Okay.
Jack: Random mentions of s*** that makes no sense until we get the proper other mention. And then we're like, oh, Just looking.
Cristina: At a bunch of little, little things. Okay.
Jack: Scraps here and there. And when you looked at enough scraps, one of them that you saw a long a** time ago clicks with this one, you're like, oh, wow. I got one piece of information out of all this. It's tragic.
Cristina: I don't know. I don't know what it's all about at the end of the day.
Jack: Yeah. All right. Samael is the first individual to discover how to grow fruits from the Forest of Shadows in earthrealm. And he started with the fruit of knowledge, which is useful. Don't know how the h*** he did it, but he did it. And that's important. They figured he figured it out. He figured out how to grow because again, you put the fairy in the ground, the tree comes out. It's just a tree, but on the other side. But he figured out how to get the thing out without having to go.
Cristina: Put the fairy in the ground. I think that. I don't know, it's complicated.
Jack: Like, the death of the fairy grows the tree.
Cristina: Yeah. Like, I think it comes out of the fairy.
Jack: So you put the fairy in the ground.
Cristina: No, the fairy is not going in the ground. The fairy's just dying where it's at.
Jack: Oh, I get what you mean. Yeah, yeah. He'll just become the ground.
Cristina: Yeah, yeah, fair enough.
Jack: You don't have to bury it. You kill the fairy. Boom. Tree happens there.
Cristina: Yes. Because the. The whole idea of it being in all the realms, like, no, it's not gonna be bird, because that doesn't make any sense.
Jack: It doesn't make any sense. Yes. But the idea that they do. Oh, that's interesting. Right, because the idea that they do exist, kind of like they could just pop in and out without needing portals. Very logical. When you just think of the fact that one dying literally connected to random points in space.
Cristina: Exactly.
Jack: That's weird.
Cristina: Okay, that does.
Jack: That's weird. I guess that was a fact. And we didn't know that was a fact. And the fact of the matter was there because we've debated how are they jumping? How. How are they getting from point A? We know they could just be there, but how? No. Did something about this. This part isn't tech. There's something about their makeup that's different enough.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But they're just there. And when they die, somehow because of that being everywhere. Well, everywhere kind of gets tied in. That spot. Weird. They die and where they die, everywhere just gets tied together.
Cristina: Yes. Yeah.
Jack: Weird.
Cristina: But it's weird. But there's some other Things so.
Jack: And Yalda learned this fact and uses it.
Cristina: And how he learned it, how he learned it, how to make a weapon to kill fairies. Had to be with a fairy helping. I don't know. So why would a fairy help him?
Jack: Lucifer leaves the garden after having a disagreement with Jehovah which was disagreement we discussed.
Cristina: Yes, let's share knowledge. But also the knowledge is killing them.
Jack: Yeah. They can't handle it. They're self destructing. But a couple of civilizations could handle it. And he wanted to find those. And Jehovah was like, no, we're done finding people.
Cristina: Because it's, it's just the. I guess it's not balance of like how many are actually surviving versus not surviving. Like say they did this. They didn't do it just to four people and then only two made it. It was probably hundreds of civilization the Earth. Exactly. And only two old equator. Exactly.
Jack: Surrounds the Earth.
Cristina: So how many civilizations.
Jack: One of the civilizations that made it isn't even around it.
Cristina: That's true.
Jack: How many places weren't around the old equator that we don't know about that they tried and didn't work?
Cristina: Yeah, the amount, exactly the total amount to just know about these.
Jack: Yeah. No, it's too much.
Cristina: It's a big, big failure.
Jack: Just the ones we do know failed.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And the two we know didn't.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And it's like. No, this is pretty bad.
Cristina: It's pretty bad.
Jack: Just how many don't we know about? And still we only know two made it. D***.
Cristina: That's pretty crazy. That's pretty bad.
Jack: And the problem is we have their corroborating information and they don't mention a third party other than the Elysians.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So it is just all three of them. Yeah, that's it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: There's other groups who have made progress on their own, but not. They have collapsed under the weight of Alicia knowledge.
Cristina: No. Which. Who knows what that number is.
Jack: But they try. I mean, I guess. So the. The argument here is you side with Jehovah. You think it's a logic a lot. Yeah, I guess.
Cristina: Yeah. It's. It's just too much that if everyone.
Jack: Dies, you should give the people the choice. You tell them.
Cristina: I don't know how they could understand. Like they have to know it first to know it and then they. They end up killing themselves because of it. Like I don't know. It's complicated.
Jack: Yeah. No, you don't have to explain that. You explain to them that, look, this is really like here people, People we're about to Share this with. This is really advanced. Many civilizations have completely destroyed themselves after we have given them our technology and our knowledge. They have simply not been able to cope. Their governments have collapsed, their infrastructure, their economy, all of it has fallen apart due to these things. Many times over. We need you guys to come to a collective agreement.
Cristina: You don't know anything about humans. Because of course they're gonna be like, we're the ones that are gonna make it. It's like people getting married. Yeah, yeah, we're the ones.
Jack: We're the ones who are gonna do it. They're all gonna sign up.
Cristina: Exactly.
Jack: They're all gonna say, no, we can do it.
Cristina: Yes. Like, in what. What's world are we not like, yes, we're gonna. Like, who's gonna be like, what? That knowledge. Oh, I guess we shouldn't take that knowledge. No. Like, what? Who do you think? Which of. Like, who's gonna be like, no, nobody.
Jack: Nobody.
Cristina: Who do you think?
Jack: Nobody. Especially if they know other humans have been given the opportunity. No, now we have to do it. Pride.
Cristina: Yeah. Now we have to. Yes. They're gonna be like, oh, well, we can't let those people get it.
Jack: Exactly.
Cristina: Then, yeah, he's not gonna give it to us.
Jack: He's gonna offer it to somebody else. And I'm not gonna let him do that.
Cristina: Yeah, no way.
Jack: I'm gonna be the fourth one. Our people, we're obviously the chosen, and then they collapse.
Cristina: Yep. It's no way to explain it.
Jack: No. Yeah, you're right. Okay, so Lucifer's wrong. It's this. Yeah, you're right. You're right, you're right. Lucifer's wrong. Yeah, His. The sentiment is right.
Cristina: Yes, sure. But.
Jack: But I guess we're talking science. Why are you getting emotional?
Cristina: I think that's. They have to probably wait until we're more. Like when they.
Jack: It's perfect. Until getting somebody new to understand is a perfect unfeeling formula.
Cristina: But they have to keep doing the whole thing, though, of making more, which it doesn't seem like they're doing either, of using philosopher's stones to create more better humans, etc. Like after Jesus. That was that. I mean, yes, they do test it out somewhat, but like, he was the peak and that was it, I guess.
Jack: But Arthur functioned, but Arthur died.
Cristina: Yeah, he's not what they were like originally.
Jack: It was a self contained incident too. It was just somebody handling their personal s***.
Cristina: It's not like. I don't think they're trying to make puppets. I mean, now they do. Only because they can. Like he's a puppet in a way.
Jack: Arthur was a puppet. So is Joseph.
Cristina: Yeah, but like, their. Their original plan wasn't to make puppets, I think.
Jack: I don't think it was either. It was just to make an overpowered elite who's gonna do what we want. And then the big problem happened, and then you gotta get rid of them. But now you created resentment.
Cristina: Yes, but I think the goal was to make more of us, but of that us.
Jack: Jesus. More Jesus.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Minus the problem.
Cristina: Yes, I guess.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Like that seems the big goal is making more of something because then we'd cross.
Jack: But I don't. I guess because Jesus can't just enter, Jesus still, even after dying, still needs to obey the laws that govern reality. So he still ends up in shadow. But luckily knew this would play out this way. Goes through the gate and gets back. But without the gate, he'd be trapped over there. He's not a fairy. He doesn't just poof over here.
Cristina: No.
Jack: So then what would the point of making a bunch of Jesuses be if it wasn't for the fact that people were having visions of him? What you accomplish, guys? Like, what's the ta da?
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: So what's Jesus minus the annoying part?
Cristina: What was any of us? What was the next thing? And then the next thing? And then the next thing was the goal, Right? Yeah. Well, okay, was that experiment over now?
Jack: I don't know. Because if. If that's the real question, then the question is, then why do we do it?
Cristina: Do what?
Jack: Why Is there an iPhone 15? Why do we now have electric cars when we had carriages? Why didn't we stop at carriages? Why do we go to the next thing?
Cristina: And how do we know when to stop?
Jack: How do we know when to stop? So we make androids that work perfectly. Real androids? Tesla androids look like people now. But wait. Inefficient. We gotta keep getting fuel. What if they could just eat. Okay, so how do we get it to fuel itself organically? Well, if we can replicate all of our physiological systems, then in theory we can have a completely indistinguishable structure. And it's like. That's for no reason.
Cristina: That's for.
Jack: I just landed us at how we would get to.
Cristina: Yeah, what they got to for no reason.
Jack: I took a stair and there was no goal. That's how easy it is to get there. If you're just following science. That's how easy we just stumbled it.
Cristina: The end of the day, it's just scientists Being scientists.
Jack: But then the question is, what the is Elfame scared of? That's where it gets sketchy. That's where it gets weird. If at some point everybody looks like they're hiding from something, you look at them long enough, they're scared of something.
Cristina: What is.
Jack: And the problem is, we also have the least amount of information of Elfim, in that order. Elfame. The least shadow. Very shaky little.
Cristina: We know fairies can die. Could the world be destroyed? It doesn't feel like anyone can go in there. I don't know how.
Jack: It doesn't feel like anybody could get there except Joseph.
Cristina: Yeah, I guess. I don't know. I don't know.
Jack: There's something huge missing. The problem is how little information we get from Elfin.
Cristina: Yeah, that's really what it comes down to.
Jack: D***. I guess the first episode of next year is gonna have to be the continuation of this.
Cristina: What?
Jack: There is some more recap to go. We're fair enough. Open the year on the ring.
Cristina: That works. Okay. Okay, that's pretty good.
Jack: Some more to go. But I like these summaries because they make us think about things, they inform us, discover things, and seeing it all together changes perspective. And it's going to tell us what to look at next collectively.
Cristina: Awesome.
Jack: Anyways, if you guys want to tell us what you think of any of this or any of the episodes from this year or how weird this show has gotten.
Cristina: Can you see some kind of connection that we cannot see?
Jack: Send us a message to tell us about it. Just convopod everywhere. All the platforms X and TikTok and Instagram and Facebook.
Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.
Jack: Yes. And word of mouth is the most overpowered thing that has ever existed in the history of humanity. So use it. Tell people about the show.
Cristina: This has been the rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.
Jack: Bye. You're like, wait, how the h*** did somebody across the ocean mention exactly the same thing using the same exact words? What the f***? Wait, how is the story of Jesus obviously corrupted in the Bible? But if you were to just connect the individual pieces of narrative from all the places he was allegedly at, they don't match what's in the Bible. This is something entirely different. Because the Bible's trying to brainwash everybody. They don't expect anybody to go to the f****** Source and be like, hey, what do you personally have on this?
Cristina: What's the source?
Jack: The Source is the countries. Bethlehem and Nazareth and Cyprus and the people who were in these locations and the prophecies left behind, which are left in hieroglyphs and in old writings. All the things we found that are telling us about this. It's a bit absurd how much of.
Cristina: This is infinite and oddly connected. Yeah. Good morning. Good morning. This podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister, with social media managed by Amber Black.
