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Rambling 298: The Grounding of Stuff Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised. Jack: Going live in 5, 4. Cristina: What does live mean? Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack. Cristina: And I'm your host, Cristina. Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And I think we've been doing that successfully lately. Cristina: Yes. Jack: So last week and the show before then, we were trying to get to what I was trying to talk about this entire time, but we got busy grounding things because that's our job. And that sidetracked us from getting to our one and only goal that this week we're definitely, without a doubt, gonna get to, which is, again, the fill people in on everything. And we've been doing this for a very long time. All we ever haven't. Cristina: Yeah. I don't understand. We've been doing what we've been supposed to be doing. Jack: Well, because grounding is our job, we can easily get sidetracked into grounding things because everything is groundable, if that makes sense. Cristina: So then we've been doing our job. Jack: Yeah, yeah, it's. It kind of loops back and forward to some degree, but I think we have some pretty good Grady greatest hits when it comes to grounding things. I think the whole Elation saga was beautiful. There's a lot, but it's infinite. And like, that gets frustrating. I think finding independent creatures that aren't related to them dope, and many things that are related to them dope. And it's funny because a lot of that, even finding the Elysians, really began about trying to see what the h*** was happening at the Bermuda Triangle. Cristina: That's where it started. Jack: Yeah. We were trying to find out what was happening in the Bermuda Triangle and then looking into clouds. Cristina: And then I thought it started with the unicorns. Jack: Well, that led us to the Alicorn that Antonio Dracohan. And that's kind of technically, that's the beginning. If this was a movie, if this was structured into a movie, the way that it built up into the Elysians. Right. Not even talking about the Elysian specifically, but a meta look at the show we were originally looking at. I think it was. Oh, no. Because then we migrated to the Groundhog. We were just looking at creatures and we were breaking apart clouds. There were some weird cloud patterns that we wanted to look into. And so we went through an entire breakdown of clouds, and then we veered off. We knew that the something weird was happening with that collection of clouds on top of the Bermuda Triangle. So that Allured us. Do you remember that? Cristina: Yes, but I don't think that had anything to do with Alicia. Jack: Not yet. Cristina: That was part of whatever story we had before. Jack: Well, no, because we were trying to find out what was happening directly under them. What was. What were they there for? Why was there a collection of clouds over the Bermuda Triangle? And I think then we looked into the groundhog, which I don't know if he ever finished his training. Cristina: Was it. Yes, he was part of training. To talk to the clouds. To the clouds? To get the clouds to talk to the sun, I think. Jack: Yes, because the sun is technically a cloud, too. Cristina: I think we were trying to stop some impending something from the cat People. Jack: Yes. Maybe an invasion or something. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Oh, no, no. We were trying to originally. Originally find out what was happening with the other stars disappearing in the great void. Cristina: Oh, yes. Jack: And we would need to talk to the sun to do it, which we. Cristina: Would use with clouds, but we thought we could use the. What is it? The. The groundhog. Because he could communicate with the weather. Jack: Yes, exactly. Oh, man. Cristina: The last one just died. So we had to train a new one. Jack: Yes. We had to give him adrenochrome. Cristina: Yes. Jack: He was Phil, right? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: It was Steve. Philly is the one who died. And then Steve was his replacement. A random groundhog we just gave a bunch of adrenochrome and started training. Cristina: Secrets of hogs is that they always were taking adrenochrome. Jack: No, it was specifically the one for. The one that they were talking to. Cristina: Yes. Yes. The groundhog 00:05:00 Cristina: that was chosen for Groundhog Day is always taking a dream. Jack: But that one died. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And so we were training one the way they were doing because we accidentally killed Phil. Cristina: I think so. Jack: I don't remember how we killed Phil, but we killed Phil. I know that much. Cristina: I believe that is right. Jack: And then maybe they don't even know we replaced Phil. They don't know. They're just humans. And then we replace Phil with Steve, and they have no idea. And then secretly we've been training Steve in order to talk to the clouds so that the clouds. Specifically weather, I guess, which was also bouncing off of when we were talking about lightning as a component, but unrelated to the clouds, because those are two different individuals interacting. Cristina: Yeah. So that's the idea. And then we're gonna communicate with the planet somehow. Jack: And then we're gonna get. Go on and on Steve. To talk to the clouds. The clouds would talk to the sun. The sun would. But still, something weird was happening down there. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And actually, Steve wasn't going to talk to the cloud specifically. There was a cloud with a face that we were gonna go talk to. Cristina: And we needed. Jack: Yes, yes. And we needed Steve for that. Cristina: Okay. Jack: So we were specifically gonna talk to that one cloud. That's a cloud. God or some crap. A demi cloud. And he was gonna talk to the sun or something. Cristina: I guess so. Yeah. Jack: Cool. But in doing so, we were like, weird that these clouds have. They're like floating over the. The Bermuda Triangle. And so we veer off and we're looking at different underwater things. I know. We were doing that for a while and we stumble upon. Actually, no, we ignore that for a while because we did Bimini Road, which we didn't. We thought about, you know, leading into the. Again, from a movie's perspective. It saw us doing these things, and then it shows us going somewhere else and discovering a different clue. But the. The. The viewer knows. The viewer knows. It's like, oh, this is related. The Bimini is by the Bahamas. A little tiny road that we looked at a long time ago that had the statues underwater. And it was like, kind of aiming towards the Bermuda Triangle. And we're like, oh, yeah, they're definitely down there because of xyz. Reason we still didn't know that the Elysians are the Atlanteans. We're just like some other people over there. And then we started looking into the Persian Gulf oasis because we were doing Atlanteans in specific. We were still calling them Atlanteans until we got to Antonio Draco. Cristina: I feel like before him, we were talking about the equator. Jack: Yes. Which was another thing related to them, wasn't it? But again, we didn't know. We're just like this giant equator surrounding the Earth. And it looks like these places built along this line were all in communication with one another or in communication with some bigger governing body. But they were all in sync with us. We still haven't found out what the point of that was. I thought we did the whole equator line. I know that a bunch of them died out. Is it because it was the line which. Cristina: Like, which Satan went to give them the tech? I guess it's easier for him to travel in a straight line. Jack: Yeah, I guess. Or maybe delivery was easier between the countries. So, like, we keep passing it down the line. We're all next to each other and he doesn't have to personally deliver it. It'll always keep rolling down the path. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Or maybe the equator is just the line in which the civilizations were Gonna be built like they were starting there. So we see them as just. Cristina: But why did they choose that? Jack: I. Why versus, like become a bubble or. Versus, like anything? Squiggly line. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Why a straight line, Right? Cristina: Yes. Jack: I have a theory on that. And I think it has more to do with Hermes. If you look at a lot of Hermes research, there were a lot of these symbols. He was essentially, if you remember, he was building comprehensive, like transmutation circles with a bunch of detailed symbolism and junk as part of meditation and energy moving and whatever he was doing. I think similar to the Hedron Collider, which is probably one of those. I think this line surrounding the Earth was the beginning of a complicated design that maybe was to envelop the Earth or a design that does in fact envelop the earth. And we have only found that specific 00:10:00 Jack: version of it interesting. Cristina: If it relates like, was he murdering them? Like, did they die off or did he kill them? Jack: No, no, no. Oh, well, that's another interesting. Cristina: Because we know the first. There was a different line and no one made it from that other line. Jack: So you think the Kearney. No. But the equator is just where everything moves along. I guess they must have done it ahead of time. Interesting. Interesting. Look at it like this. Look at it like this. Because this does have to make sense to some degree. Right. The equator gradually shifts place. The globe exists. And the equator is always by itself moving simply because of how rotations work and whatnot. So what if the line is starting to catch up? But they built society there and never told them. These guys are always working in secrecy. And the equator slowly kept migrating to that line. Slowly kept until it lined up. We know that alignments matter. We know the solaces work in Castillo in order to bridge a gate that allows people to go into the Shadow Realm and teleport along. So that's. Alignments matter. Somehow. If they built civilization, let's say north to south and started the line west to east, and it was always moving clockwise. It would eventually migrate from west to east to north to south. If in that moment something happened. Great transmutation. And all those people died. Philosopher stones. This could explain why some of these structures are some of the oldest ever seen. Cristina: Yes, they were. They weren't building on that line when it was the line. No, they were just way before the. Jack: Build on the line. That was unreal. And nothing they could track. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Or understand. Cristina: But someone did. Jack: Yes. And in order to get them to do this successfully, they did need technology. Maybe it was never about sharing the Technology. And the way we think about it, for Lucifer, maybe Jehovah man, we jump back and forth here real hard. Cristina: Bad guy. Jack: Who's the bad guy? Cristina: Okay. But Lucy was doing something sketchy. Jack: He was doing something sketchy. He was doing something really ridiculously sketchy. Because everybody was gone. Cristina: Yes. Jack: There's nobody there at all. It's all 100% gone. All that really exists is the ruins to that. And Jehovah recorded is telling him no. He is like, but come on, bro. We need this. Cristina: Yes. But we know he at least did it or tried to do whatever it was that he did twice. Jack: Because when he went to Shadow Realm. Cristina: No, because there was an old equator line that is destroyed of ruins and stuff. Jack: And the newer one, the new equator line, has nothing built on it. Cristina: It has nothing built on it. Jack: No. Oh, the new equator line is just where the line kept moving to. Cristina: Oh. Only the old one had the ruins. Jack: Only the old one had the ruined lines. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: If there is, we don't know where because nobody's thought about this. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And maybe it would be trackable. Maybe major cities line up in a way we never thought about or something. And then one day, by default, because. Cristina: It could be more than one line. Through the Earth. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Around the earth. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: We just have to find. Jack: We would just have to find to connect the dots. Cristina: Yeah. And it has nothing to do with the equator. Just. We just need to see that pattern. Jack: But you know what's even scarier at this point, this means that 12,000 years ago, we weren't beginning to develop. We know that their technology was crazy, but they weren't beginning to develop immense technology. They were already at earth scale technology. 12,000 years ago, they could just, in one shot, boom, across the earth, kill everybody and make. Well, at least along the line of the equator. Maybe they didn't want to erase humanity. Cristina: That's what I was thinking. That the whole purpose of that would be so that not all of it was gone. Jack: So maybe they don't even need these factories like Epstein's Island. What the h*** is that for? Well, then again, where it's two different purposes. Cristina: Specific people. Jack: Yes. That's to drain. That's for adrenochrome. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Versus something like stone. The stones. So maybe they've been able to make stones casually, whenever they want. Cristina: Yeah. We just need to find more lines. Jack: We just need to find more lines. On the flip side, wars are an easy way, and they're clearly in charge of the government. Cristina: Somehow 00:15:00 Cristina: that seems more of adrenochrome. Than a stone thing? Jack: We don't know. Cristina: We don't know. Jack: We don't see. In some instances, we see the bodies, but in other wars, it's just like, oh, yeah, some private attack happened. And it's like, wow, really? Or is it only when we drop, like, bombs and we can't go look at the evidence? Like, that was probably no bomb. You guys are just showing us a bunch of. And really, at the end of the day, what happened was you guys made another stone. Cristina: Would the bodies disappear? Jack: The bodies would disappear. Cristina: Okay. Jack: If it's for adrenochrome, the bodies would stay. Cristina: Mm. That's why most of them has to be for adrenochrome. Jack: Have you seen the bodies in most of them? Cristina: I think someone has. Jack: How do you confirm that person was real and not just another person? Just saying. Oh, yeah, I saw it. Cristina: Oh. Jack: I bet North Korea makes stones regularly. Cristina: Who would know? Jack: I bet there's human farms there where they breed humans. Because nobody knows where they breed humans. And then just en masse. But you dilute the genetic pool if they're always just cattle. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And you're just making the. There's something about the more complex the life force. Well, the life form than the more complex life force. Yeah. What is the rule? The more complicated the life form, the more complicated the life force. The less complicated the life form, the less complicated life source. It began a long time ago at Butterflies or some s***. Weird. Because we discovered a bunch of adrenochrome before we found out it was connected. Cristina: Mm. Jack: We found it through butterflies. Well, we've heard about it here and there, stumble upon things kind of pointing in that direction, then when they looked at it, and we found that through butterflies, that was, like, the original, like, attempt. And then other people throughout history, which I remember specifically, we looked into that were figuring it out in other ways. The countess in the 1700s or 1600, somewhere around there. It could have been the 13th. Who the h*** knows who was killing her? Her maze. That was for adrenochrome. And so we found, again, adrenochrome somewhere else, and we didn't. She might have not known, and we might have not known. But, again, a bunch of people did, though. So maybe she was in the in group who knew about adrenochrome. And although the people who wrote about it didn't get it, she knew why she was doing it. She stayed young, and they were all, oh, yeah, she was using it for her skin. And that was. Make her stay young. And it's like, no she was drinking that s***, bro. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: That's why she actually. That's why it actually worked. F***. That's exactly why it worked. She was killing them b****** and drinking it. And they were. The people reporting on it didn't really understand. They thought she was bathing in it, but she was just putting it in the tub to have a source of it. Cristina: Ew. Jack: She could continue to drink. I guess she was vampiring the f*** out. And this has a lot to do with the area she was in. They probably thought vampirism worked this way. We interpret it in the horror movie style, but vampires are relatively new. They weren't. Cristina: Vampires are based on adrenochrome. Jack: Vampires are actually just based on Dracula, and Dracula ain't even that old, so. S***. You get my point. Like, there wasn't a concept of vampires back then. Their understanding of a vampire was crap. Like the Countess. And like, Dracula could have easily been based on the Countess in a castle. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Attracting maids. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And drink. Literally drinking their blood. Cristina: It's the same story. Jack: It's the same story. And we found the Countess and we found a couple of, like, old school serial killers who were doing the same thing. We. We did that for Halloween one. So we were just looking at weird instances like that. We have a couple of really good Halloween episodes. Cristina: Well, didn't do any this year. You got anything for right now, this. Jack: Moment to do some Halloween? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: No, I don't now. We didn't do it for this year, but next year we should hit all the holidays. Find. I mean, it's interesting to go look at something that we haven't looked at for a while and with new eyes and find something we missed before. Cristina: Yes. Have we ever did a Thanksgiving thing? Jack: We've done many Thanksgiving. Cristina: Oh, yes, we have. But we haven't talked about the turkeys that we save that we pardon. I don't get that. Jack: We pardon turkeys. Cristina: Yeah. The President pardons turkeys every year. Yeah. He puts them in a hotel, keeps them fed and happy, and then he, I guess, brings them in front of people like the, like. I don't know, like the groundhog. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: And 00:20:00 Cristina: it's like, these turkeys cannot be eaten. Eaten. Jack: They must die of old age. Cristina: Yes. And I don't know how anyone keeps track of that. Jack: I bet. I bet that's the turkey the President eats. Cristina: Oh, that's awful. Jack: I bet some president was a douchebag and did that. If that's not the case, somebody was like, you know what? This is a stupid tradition. I want that turkey President. But no, no. Replace the turkey. Nobody's gonna know. I want that turkey. I want to eat a famous turkey. Cristina: The one that you said can never be eaten. That's messed up. Jack: Why? What's the difference? How would anybody even know as long as the illusion persists? Cristina: I don't know. I feel like you'll get. You will not get away with it. Jack: I. I want to get away with it. And then on my deathbed as president, I'll be like, get cameras and everything. I'll be or ex president, however that works. And I'll be like, for the world to know I ate that turkey. Cristina: That's messed up. Jack: Boom, boom. Will anybody give up? Nobody's gonna give a. They're gonna be like, he ate a turkey. Cristina: They're gonna say, you're a monster. Jack: If they. If it happened, like, the next day that it came out, they would be like, oh, my God. Yay, though. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Right now, most of them send you. Cristina: To jail to rest, to live the rest of your life to. Jack: I'm. I'm on my deathbed. Cristina: Who cares? You're gonna be in your deathbed in a jail cell. Jack: That's. I mean, I guess it wouldn't matter to me. Cristina: It wouldn't matter to you? Jack: No, no, it wouldn't matter. I'm already dying. Like, what do I got? Days. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Like, spend the rest of my days in a place that has to take care of me for a fact. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Whoa. Cristina: But you'll be in orange or whatever color those suits are, and then they. Jack: Die in a box. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: That's cool. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Concrete box. Who else did we find that was using adrenochrome? Oh, we found some Greek stories with it. That was afterwards. That was after we found out the Elysians. When do we find out they were called the Aletians? Cristina: Probably to do with Greece or Egyptians or. I think it was Egyptian. Jack: I think it was in the text that the Egyptians had discussing the Elysians, because they also referred to them as the Sea peoples. Cristina: And so did the Greek. Not the Greeks, the Mayans. Mayans. Jack: We looked at Maya a bunch of times. We looked at my. A long time ago without knowing they were connected to the Egyptians. Cristina: And we also, like, recently found out that they have portals to the shadow realm. Yes, that we think. We were thinking there. Jack: No, we knew they had portals to the shadow realm. We found out recently they were crossing people regularly. Cristina: Yes. Yes. That's happening everywhere. Jack: Yes. Cristina: And we had no clue that was happening. Jack: Yeah, we looked at that. Didn't know that there was this Entire civilization there went like two years without having any idea. Meanwhile, we found the. The villages around the world, including the one in Puerto Rico. That's a really famous one. All these groups that are just mixed shadow realm, Earth realm creatures found out. Cristina: All those people that were talking crazy stories about, like, I'm afraid that my child's gonna be kidnapped by a fairy. And then we realize, oh, crap, there's. Jack: They're onto something. They're on to. They were. It wasn't fairies, but they were kind of on the market. Cristina: Yeah, they were. They were close. Jack: They were close. They were close. There's a bunch of creatures kidnapping children. So it was based on some interesting y. Cristina: They were insane. Jack: No, man. It is a kind of weird road that took us here. Adrenochrome was a weird one. We found that so many times because. Cristina: It'S the easiest way. Jack: Everything, even by accident. I really, really. I always think about the story about the wolves in the. In the battlefield and how they would go out and like, when they were starving because the battlefield scared off all the other creatures, so they had nothing to hunt, and they were just out there feeding on the freshly dead people. But those people were in war, bro. They had just unloaded their guns, had the guns unloaded on them, seen friends die, seen bombs go off maybe in that time, or depending when. When wars happened. Because this was in the, what, the 17, 1970s, 1917s, and another one again in the 1950s. So there was bombs already. And like, this resulted in some crazy creatures, bro. Yes, that's nuts. Werewolves, which then, in hindsight, kind of informs our older story when we looked into werewolves and we found out that the natives would dress up with the. Cristina: Fur of the wolves and then turn into wolves. Jack: Not turn tools, but run 00:25:00 Jack: around the woods. Cristina: There was some stories of people wearing wolf fur and then turning into wolves. Jack: No, that's what they thought they saw. That's what the people. The. The white man. Cristina: Oh, he saw. Jack: Because they would see the. The problem is that they were with wolves. The natives in these areas would be wearing the fur of their family members who were wolves. They lived in nature with the wolves, naturally, and so they would be wearing the wolf fur and the wolf would be seen by the people who lived around there. And then they would see shortly thereafter, a native wearing wolf stuff, and they think it's the same thing. That's where the original myth of the werewolf came from. But the actual real world equivalent is a werewolf, a wolf drinking adrenochrome and then resulting. Cristina: The werewolf is a Wolf becoming a man and not a man becoming a wolf. Jack: Exactly. It's not becoming a man, but kind of getting a more bipedal look. It's very Pokemon. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You know, just transformed and now it's bipedal for whatever reason. So. Yeah. Cristina: I don't know. I feel like there are some men that claim to have turned into wolves, though. But are those just crazy people? Jack: No, because we also have people that were turning in the things. Not everybody has exactly the same reaction, but it's more or less the same reaction. We've had men turning into wolves. No, I don't think we've ever had people turning into the wolves. Cristina: There's a guy, I think for the church, he was confessing that the devil made him dress up as a wolf, turn into a wolf to fight the. No, the church forced him to turn into a werewolf so he can fight the demons or something. There's some wild story like that. Jack: We talked about it on the show. Cristina: Yeah, it was before all of this. It's way in the past of just talking about creatures not connecting to anything. Jack: That was when we were doing werewolves one and two, right? Yeah, man, I don't even remember that. Cristina: Yeah. I think he was claiming that the church would turn him and like a bunch of other homeless people into werewolves to fight demons. Jack: What the. Well, I don't remember all that. Cristina: I don't know what that is. But I know that they do have weird stuff happening. Jack: We know because the Church does weird s*** all the time. Cristina: Yes. They have portals and they also have items. Sacred items. Jack: Yes, they do, actually. Cristina: Body parts. Magical body parts of saints. Jack: Yeah. They hoard all the things with power they could find. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: But later we found out that was entirely because they were trying to erase the existence of magic and. Which is really just really complicated science. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And the body parts and things are saving are. Because think about it. They're saving a cloth that was protecting Jesus and he came back to life in or something. And it's like. Well, that was some technology that was reviving him or whatever. Or that had like proof of some residue of some kind of compound that they don't need anybody to know exists, you know? Cristina: Okay. Jack: Of the fruit or something. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: So they. They keep all of these things. They either have some kind of ability attached to some complicated technology or whatever the case might be, and they confiscate it all and hide it. Cristina: That's crazy. Still. That's pretty crazy. Jack: And still they couldn't compete with actual Jesus. Cristina: Well, they're. They're either Helping him or hiding him? Jack: Why would they need to hide him? Cristina: Because they're working with the. The. I'm thinking fairies, but that's not the word. I'm thinking. Who, Who. What is he? Jack: What is who? Cristina: Jesus. Jack: He is an Elysian Alicia. Cristina: And they're either working with Jesus or the Elysians. Jack: The church. Yeah. I think. I think we have three parties. Cristina: You think they're separate? Jack: I think they're separate. I think there's more than three parties. I think party we actually. I think. I don't think we've ever broken this down. I think party number one is the Elysians and their homies, like the Mayans and the Egyptians. Group two is Jesus and whoever's backing him, which is unclear. Cristina: Shadow people. Question mark. Jack: Question mark. Because we don't know. Because group three is a shadow people with Lucifer and all those individuals. Because even the shadow people who've joined our Earth Realm teams, we're calling those as part of Jehovah's team. Okay, so those are the Elysians. We have the Elysians there with all those people, including the shadow realm people that are there. Then we have the shadow room people who are a separate entity entity 00:30:00 Jack: made up of many Elysians and humans who've been outcasted one to the shadow realm. We got Jesus. That's three main group tied up there. Then we have Mab and her group of people somewhere doing something that's hyper unclear to us. See, we all never know. Exactly. Then we have the Greek that randomly pop up and are like always keeping up. They're like Piccolo. They're always keeping up with Goku and like how. Okay, but they're always there. And we don't know if any of this or even if the Elysians themselves are in any way connected to the original top of that, which is Jehovah's father Yahweh and his father Eloi. And how. That we still don't understand the giant leap from all of that all the way back to Yaldabao and how any of them might connect to what's happening now. Cristina: Yes. And we have no idea anything about Hermes either. Jack: Hermes, he's like neutral party. It looks like he helped everybody do whatever. Yeah, he's such a central figure. Cristina: But he might have even helped Jesus Satan with the line. Jack: He might have. But we know many instances suggest he might have helped Lucifer. Cristina: Yeah. So that's interesting. Jack: It looks like he might have helped Lucifer. It looks like he might directly be the teacher of Jesus. Yeah, it looks like he gave a johor who Worked or was friends or something with Jehovah. Cristina: And he has some connection with the Greece. Jack: And he has some connection with Greece. And he might have existed back with Eloi and Lilith, which suggests that he would have also been around at the time of Jesus, Jehovah's father, Yahweh. He would have been in contact with every single everything straight through. Cristina: Yes. Jack: I don't understand how. Because he is a God, he might actually be. Everybody else is some being that got there. He might actually. Dude, based on how we're describing him, right? Cristina: Yes. Jack: He goes everywhere, lives immortally, contacts everybody. Now, here's an interesting part about Hermes, which, based on his talks, might make sense. Let's say Hermes does come around in the year 12,000 BC, right? That's when he's born, not before then. But what do his lessons teach us? He says the fabric of reality itself is up to you to move around and control as you please. If you understand my teachings, you can just casually move in and out. Nothing matters. Nothing is of consequence. Everything is readjustable. Could it be that although he began there, he easily just shows up in the past? Is that a capability of his? Yes, because we know many necromancers can just f*** with time. Cristina: He can too. Yeah, I guess. Jack: Just poof. So he was born recently, but he could just be back there? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And that explains him showing up everywhere. He became he again. He was just a creature that became a God beyond anything all these other people could even fathom. Cristina: Mm. Except for Jesus, maybe. Jack: Well, he taught Jesus. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: It to this moment, it kind of does almost look like Hermes over Jesus. So if we were to just calculate their abilities and what they've done. Cristina: Yeah, but if Jesus gets to actually ex. Goes follows those principles that he has to teach, like what makes the difference, what makes him under. Jack: It looks like Hermes can cross into the fairy realm. It does not seem like Jesus can. As far as we know. Cristina: As far as we know. Jack: As far as we know. Cristina: Exactly. I don't know. That doesn't really. Jack: Only based on what we've found, he. He hasn't. Maybe we'll find something different to the contrary. But as of now, it looks like Hermes is the only one who's figured out how to enter this other space. With all of the efforts that everybody else has. I haven't seen a mention of Jesus doing that. Cristina: Well, maybe that story of him going into heaven. What does that mean. Jack: Going into heaven? Cristina: Yeah. And the end of his story before he comes back to Earth, like, what is that? I don't Know exactly. Jack: He dips out. Cristina: Could that be him exiting? Jack: But then that means he's always behind. He didn't just inherently have the ability like these other 00:35:00 Jack: things. He discovered that like a science. Which means that Hermes mastered it. He's a beginner at it. Hermes is still above. Cristina: Yeah, but that doesn't mean he can't get to that point. Like once you got it, you got it. Jack: He has a head start. Is he gonna. Is Hermes gonna continue getting better or is there a top? Which means if there's a top, they can catch up and land there. If not, then. Because again, if it's science, you can keep pushing it. Oh yeah, you can continue to push it. Cristina: But I think Jesus is still up there. Jack: He would be number two. I'm thinking he's number two. Cristina: Yeah. Because he did escape. I think he might have gone there. I think that was the story. Jack: And that's simply because we cannot rank things from Elfame. We have no idea. Yeah, it's possible. Those things are way more complicated in ways we couldn't comprehend. Cristina: But he might have gone into alpha and then came back. Jack: Yes. Cristina: I think that's. That's the story to say that. Yes. Jack: Right. But yeah, no, 100%. But that doesn't make him. I still think we've discovered that there is less appearance of Hermes. He's more rare to come across. So he's better at being invisible. He's been around longer, so there should be more of him. But he is good at being invisible. Cristina: But also he's using much of different names. I don't know. Jack: He always goes by Hermes. Cristina: He does. Oh yes, he does. It's Jesus that goes by different names. Jack: Jesus goes by different names and is still nowhere as elusive. Cristina: Okay. Jack: We don't know necessarily anything about what Hermes looks like. We just know he was robed. He was nice and discreet. Okay, he was robed. We have no descriptors for his face. We. We know just the things surrounding his robe. His face is usually in shadow and the robe itself was very dark. Gave look to that traditional necromancer thing, secrecy and privacy. So they adopted the look. Cristina: The necromancers. Jack: The necromancers adopt the look. That's also why we always see Jesus robed up. Everybody else might have layers to the robes, tuck ins on their ways. But Jesus wore like gown style things. It was very necromancer. And he's known for having the scarf with the hood. Cristina: That's not Mary. Are you sure? Jack: Jesus had the same thing. I guess Mary was also trying to be private. Oh, but that's logical. And the most important facet here is. I mean, Jesus would have to become a more more complicated threat eventually because he's still half Elysian. Cristina: Yeah. What is a Hermes? Jack: Human. Cristina: How do we know he's not half. How do. Jack: We don't know. We just know that you have to be human to be an echromancer. Cristina: Yes, but Jesus proves you could just be half human. Like you don't have to be full human. Jack: Jesus proves you could be half human. This brings up an interesting problem and it totally explains the Elysians not wanting Elysian men or women to breed with humans. Because nephilim that become necromancers may be problematic. Cristina: Yes. Yeah. Jack: Is the fear the necromancers, the few necromancers we know about are problematic. And then there's Hermes, who seems undefeatable by any standard we could imagine. Cristina: But then you think they'd be an enemy with him, but there don't seem to be. Even though they fear everything he is, they don't want another version of him. Jack: I mean, everybody's trying. Think about what the requirements were for the Golem. Think about what the requirements were for Jesus. You have to be able to cross all three thresholds seamlessly. What? Who's the only other individual we know who could do that? It's Hermes they're trying to imitate Hermes. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Right. And he ain't a fairy. They just know a human learned how to do the thing and that for whatever reason, Elysians can't be necromancers. Cristina: Yes, but they don't want to make more. They do and they don't. They don't want it. Jack: You want to control them. They want to be able to make a necromancer and control it. Cristina: Hence the creation of like things like Jesus. No more. Jack: Jesus was a problem. Yeah. Think of not Alexander. Was it Alexander? No, the. The sword guy. 00:40:00 Cristina: The sword guy. Jack: Who was being tricked? Arthur. King Arthur. Who was being tricked by Merlin. By Merlin. But the whole goal of that instance was a necromancer or not a necromancer. A person with the ability to cross between thresholds who could be controlled. Cristina: But he was all human. As far as I know. Jack: He was all human. Yes. And he was too easy to control. It became problematic. And we know that Merlin was an elation. Or is an elation. I don't know if that guy still around. But Hermes equals. I mean, not Hermes, Merlin. Equal elation. Cristina: He has to be half. Jack: He has to be half. Yes. You're Right, because how is he? And that's why he's whack. Cristina: Why is he whack? Jack: Because the more human you are. Cristina: So you think he's more than half human? Jack: No, he's the whack necromancer. Merlin is whack because. Because he is half and half. Cristina: But you have to be half and half. Jack: No, you have to be human. Cristina: Oh, but Jesus is half and half. And that he's not. Jack: Isn't half and half. Cristina: You think he's human. Okay, psychic abilities. Jack: Stories give us some details here to fill in for this thought, but I have some filler ideas. Right. For some blank areas. The stories emphasize how important Mary is, not just to the cause, but to Joseph. Joseph is a magi. A magi. And he is one of the other three who will later show up. He was her personal escort. They are Alician soldiers of some sort. Cristina: Okay, right. That's her man, though. Jack: No, that's the lie they're telling. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: But where you're getting at is where I think was maybe intentionally left out. The Bible tells us he's her man. Of course, the Bible is foolish and made up in order to suppress the truth. But the Bible tells us. So what motivation did the Bible have to tell us he was her man? Why wasn't he just her brother? She was gonna be a virgin and have a husband. Cristina: Yeah, that's weird. But weird. Jack: Could have. Any other narrative could have been spun there. Yeah, maybe. Maybe he was human and that's why he was different from the other Magi. Just like Mary was human. Because we know that child is part of Jehovah's DNA. But maybe the intention was to water it down and so it's not just Jehovah. What part of this do you need science for? Where was the experiment taking place in? Well, maybe both of them are the bad. Thus he's only one third Elysian. Cristina: Oh, crap. Okay, those make it more interesting. Jack: Interesting. So he has as much stake in this as the Elysians, but, you know, you're also just a human bro. We can get rid of you quite easily. So you're just gonna escort her? Well, you got bodyguards are gonna be watching, and they're gonna show up when it matters. You're gonna see them, and you just gotta take her over there. Where does he go when he gets. He just vanishes. The story just cuts off. We assume he left with the other Maggie, but he just. His story just ends. So what is that about? Well, his purpose was complete. He probably died off. Cristina: He died off. No, he died off. Jack: They get. They get to older age. Oh, but like, what's his. Why do we stop talking about him so heftily? It's because of this reason. He is really inconsequential, but is part of the equation, which is why he was actually present there the whole time. He's like, no, it's my Katu and I'm gonna follow this lady. Cristina: Okay. We just couldn't say, yeah, they were. Jack: The chosen ones to some degree, but it was just human. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You know, And I think that was a way of diluting some science was used in order to dilute elation DNA. Even if elation DNA is better for stones, they're not going to get rid of themselves. So they could easily run this tech, but no humans. But in order to make a necromancer, you need human. And they want one that they can control. But I don't know if they have Hermes, why they would need to. I don't get that part. But Hermes himself then trained Jesus. He's so neutral. 00:45:00 Cristina: He doesn't. He seems like part of the group, but he doesn't seem like part of their group. Jack: I think he literally isn't part of their group. I think he's just friends with Jehovah. And everybody must respect his neutrality because what are you gonna do about it? The fact that he's blessing you with his time is good enough. Cristina: But then he gets to train the guy that they offer, cuz that guy went to him. Jack: Again, neutrality doesn't matter who comes or what you want. I can do whatever. Cristina: Mm. Jack: I'll help you with limits. I don't hurt others or whatever. But what you do, but what I gave you is up to you. Cristina: Crazy. Jack: So everybody comes for something different. It's like, yes, he's really God about it, to the point that even Jesus goes to him on record. Yeah, well, Emmanuel. Emmanuel goes to him and it's like, bro, this dude moves like real omniscience. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Move through time, influence, whatever. Yeah. Oh, you said your grandfather needed what? Okay, I'll go back and I'll. Cristina: That's weird. Jack: Yeah, whatever, dude. Oh, no, I can't do that. I'm not gonna go get rid of the people. No, I can't do that. You need the. Oh, yeah, yeah, I can make the thing. Whatever you do with it, that's up to you. I don't give a crap. It's your choice. If it affects me, I'll bring him back. I don't care. Cristina: Real omniscience, okay. Jack: He moves like that, right? He has that feel if I don't care what happens, I don't care. I don't care what. I'm not doing it, but I don't care what happens. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And then he can adjust whatever in his favor. That's so impressive and everything. Again, if we look at the whack, watered down, non knowing necromancers, it's still like, d***, son. All of them except St. Patrick seem capable of controlling time. They're watered down. All of them. They're. They're whacker than Jesus. And Jesus can't mess with Hermes. That's where we are. They can control f****** time. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: It looks like maybe Santa, St. Nicholas is like real top tier op. Maybe third in line here because of how exaggerated he is. But it could just be time control that he looks like he's everywhere freezes, everything goes everywhere, takes him a long time. Then time moves forward again. Cristina: It's still really exaggerating. I don't know. It's pretty powerful stuff. Jack: Pretty powerful stuff. He also has deals with what seem to be actual fairies. Actual fairies? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Which is like, d***, how do you do that? Yeah. Cristina: Yeah. Maybe they're not fairies. Maybe they're shadow worm creatures. Jack: They could be shadow worm creatures, but they can. We don't know shadow creatures that fit those suits. But we know fairies that do. Cristina: It's just too weird. Jack: It's weird. Cristina: It doesn't make sense to anything. Jack: But again, maybe he's. He does appear to stay neutral as well. So maybe the fairies aren't siding with him. And maybe the fairies aren't trying to stop Hermes. Who are the fairies trying to stop? All the people trying to imitate Hermes. Fair people don't care about Hermes. Why? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: Doesn't seem to be f****** with them. Neutral. The people who are like, we want infinite power. They get elf slapped on top. Stop their progress, please. Cristina: Okay. Jack: But Hermes clearly already capable. They're like, whatever. Interesting. They're scared of power hungry people because if they cross out, they're coming for us. Cristina: Okay, Jesus, kill off Marilyn and Jesus. Jack: Jesus is a problem because Jesus is the one that slipped through. And although Jesus isn't aiming to hurt them, Jesus seems to be on a revenge path. Right. Is his goal the Elysians or could he easily deal with the Elysians? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: Because if they are is infinitely trying to get stronger. And they're infinitely trying to get stronger. So he must again try to get stronger. So they must again try to get stronger. And now it's gotten to the point that they reach the Elfame just trying to get stronger than each other. And then they're just consuming everything around them in a war between each other. And that's the fear. That's why it didn't look like anybody was after anybody specific and that the Elfame was just fight. Who are we scared of? And it's like this guy or that guy or what? No, both. Cristina: Both. Jack: But it's not about them going after you. They don't care about you. They're. They're Borg. They're infinitely power hungry the way humans are. Okay, we want more. But it's about getting rid of each other. Cristina: It could be that very. It feels very Dragon Ball Z. Jack: Like just like always. Upscale. Cristina: Stronger. Yeah. Jack: And it doesn't stop. We've gone out of the realm. Man. I remember the ah, memories. What the good old days when we just thought creatures here, creatures there. Maybe some aliens, maybe an alien or two local 00:50:00 Jack: that can't, you know, lives in space between planets. Because why would it try? How would it travel from super far? They couldn't. It's just a biological something living in space to finding out no crap could travel. And here's the science behind it. Stars away, stars across, galaxies across. Until getting to the point of like nah. There's entire clusters of stars completely captured. Because escaping the entire universe is totally possible. And there's multiple of these things. And here's some science behind it to dimensions and realms. It's like I remember the good old days back then when it was so simple. Now. Now we have interdimensional multi realm existing different creatures of different magnitudes of development tied in infinite ways with each other and in different ways. All scientific. Cristina: They're trying to get up there, up somewhere there. Jack: So complicated. So, so complicated. It's ridiculous. It is good old days of just hey, vampires and zombies. You remember comparing vampires and zombies and they both need blood. Which it totally should have filled us in on so much. Totally should have. Because we erased it slowly from zombies to say that they were after blood. But zombies were after blood at the beginning of the invention of talking about zombies. But maybe the creators of zombies thought oh this too on the nose. It's too close. So I'm just gonna connect the dots. And so we slowly phased out zombies going for blood. And then they just became science zombies. The way like oh, vile. We're trying to cure cancer. But. But it was always science. Cristina: It was always science. Jack: Adrenochrome. Oh the science in a different way. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: We they try to block us off of certain paths of science so that we don't get informed on those things like realms and crap like that. That must use biological and physically tangible science applications in order to to interact with. But the laws were taught to build upon exclude the factors that would lead us in those directions so that only those who know about them can know about them. Esoteric knowledge everywhere. You know, it's funny, that reminds me that Wet Judges was the same story as zombies. We had. We were just going through different creatures and we found out that this creature existed and that it was the. The result of something unknown. But this is what the creature behaves like. And it's not a shadow Realm. Creatures opposite to a win dingo. But they both turned out shadow room creatures. But there was some difference between them that we were like one comes from this and the other one kind of sorta. Eventually we discovered wolves. And both of these things shared a lot of characteristics. And that episode involved the connection of well, this is how a wolf biologically becomes. And this is how wolf biologically becomes that one. I believe the Wet Judge is the feral shadow realm version of a wolf. And the Windingo is the in control shadow realm version of a wolf. And both of those we found in isolation separate because we were just doing episodes about creatures. Cristina: But what do they have to do with the Shadow Realm? Jack: Adrenochrome. And they're both shadow realm creatures. Cristina: Okay. But they're based off of wolves and the wolves are from here, not from the shadow Realm. Jack: Exactly. Were wolf. Well, wolf can wolf takes adrenochrome the stages of a wolf as they would break apart. A wolf can sue. Let's take one of these 1950, 1940. Like six werewolves from the battlefield. Battlefield night people hiding. It sneaks up in the shadows and starts eating and drinking some of the blood. Because it's dies or. No, no, let me get there. It's gonna turn into. In consuming so much of it. A werewolf. Cristina: Mm. Jack: The werewolf is just the in control version of the wolf. Now two wolves came. They were talking about two separate wolves from the same pack. They came. They ate the same body. During the werewolves, both of them became werewolves. One of them was smart enough to consider coming back and the other one was a little cower. And as soon as it heard people ran away so they didn't consume the next day. This happens repeatedly. And the second wolf doesn't come back. The first werewolf stays a werewolf. The second werewolf now becomes a lichen. 00:55:00 Jack: It goes feral. It's just a Savage now. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It even forgets how to get back to it. It's just now a monster. Cristina: Okay. Jack: But they're more or less fizzled off Earth Realm. Cristina: Yes. Okay. Jack: Yes. And they all fizz. They physically look very similar, except a werewolf looks like a humanoid. It looks very similar than the werewolf is very gray, furred, wise and less crazy, I guess. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And the lichen is black fur and slimmer, while the werewolf looks bulkier. The lichen is thinned out and like up looking. It's like a really thinned out werewolf that's all black. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Now if the werewolf dies a werewolf, it becomes a wet judge. Cristina: Okay. And if the lichen dies, it becomes the other thing. Jack: And if lichen dies, it becomes a wendingo. Cristina: And those creatures are Shadow Realm creatures. Jack: And those creatures are Shadow Realm creatures. Cristina: Or they're ghost versions. Jack: Yeah, yeah. A lot of Shadow Realm creatures are ghost versions of earthrealm creatures because there's an inherent tie between them. Cristina: A little weird, because the Shadow realm is the original realm and we are. Jack: A pocket realm within it. Cristina: Yeah. But when we die, we go back to the original realm. Jack: Well, this is supported by all sciences, all religions and all philosophies that the. This association from the self unites us to the all. Another way of thinking about it is the texts that make it sound like it's a simulation. If the barriers are built around a certain type of code and you extract that code, then whatever code is left could exit the equation. Cristina: Okay, and then we just go back to the shadow realm. Jack: We can just be part of the shadow realm. So it's possible. Weird thought that everything within earthrealm is already a creature that might exist within the shadow realm, and we are just programmed with the external shell that we then think is ourselves. Cristina: What do you mean? Jack: Like my body isn't my body? Maybe I was always a gin, but because I'm born over here, the body feels like a body. But then it's weird beating our campy because creatures from the shadow realm coming over here to kidnap children and stuff, but to live. But they don't. They don't become suddenly physical unless they go through a procedure. Yes, and I don't understand what the procedure necessarily is because there's no specifics on it. Yeah, we know that they need a model, which is why they kidnap kids. They need an example of who they're going to become and that person is going to stay alive. They don't kill that person. Cristina: They don't. Jack: Well, somehow still existed when Lucifer became physical. Cristina: Yes, but did he transform also? Jack: Then Samuel got turned into Alfamer. Cristina: Is that what happened? Jack: No, he got turned to a Naga, I think, right? Cristina: Yeah, I think so. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: This story is twisted and weird. Jack: Yeah, that's a weird. Someone else been through the ringer. It's a weirdo. But this isn't a couple of places. Because if you think of Glycon from the Greek, he also was just a Greek dude who became a Naga. Cristina: That doesn't make sense. With the help of Keto. Because Nagas are fairies. So these are people becoming fairies. Jack: These are people. Well, people becoming Shadow worm creatures and Shadow Realm creatures becoming Earth Realmers are still weird. Cristina: That's weird. But it's less weird. They're becoming fairies. Jack: Well, presumably the Shadow Realm is a pocket within Alfame. The best way to think about it is if Elfame is Earth Realm, then the Shadow Realm is the Internet. And EarthRealm is like Facebook. Each one is inside the other in a smaller, more constricted way. But it's still the one thing. Like it's still Facebook exists within Earth. Cristina: A video character becoming human. Jack: Yes. So, okay, I guess the. The most logical way to make the next step remove would be to say we have humanoid robots that don't have any AI. They exist everywhere. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And the Facebook AI decides it's going to figure out how to enter one of our robots and navigate earthrealm. That would be the leap that Jesus born in earthrealm does 01:00:00 Jack: to get to Alfame. He is the Facebook AI. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Getting into one of our robots and now existing as a Earth Realm being. Cristina: What does it mean when one of us becomes a Naga? Jack: That would be the equivalent. Cristina: It's still in there. Jack: Yes. So there must be some form of code that creatures from the top have. Like MAB logging in. Cristina: Oh, NPCs. No, not NPCs. Main characters. Jack: Main characters. Yes. They acquire main character abilities. Yes, that's what it really means. Which is a good example in being Hermes. Main character abilities. Cristina: Okay, so if you can do become a Necromancer or become a Naga, you're doing the same thing. Yes, sort of. Jack: The difference is they're trying to make Nagas of existing individuals that they know are already loyal. They don't want one born. They're trying to make one out of people they know are already loyal to them. So there's some half baked kind of approach there. Cristina: And they. I don't think they have the same abilities as Nagas. Jack: No. It doesn't seem like they have the tip top. The closest person who got To. That was the first one we know about, which is the oldest, which is Yaldabaoth and his. Not his artificial Naga, which I guess everybody else is. An artificial Naga that we're talking about. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: But it looks like his was literally created from nothing. It wasn't based on anybody. Which is also why that one's overpowered. Cristina: That doesn't make sense. That does it. I don't know. Jack: Osteomorphus. That was the name of that serpent. Osteomorphous. Cristina: Came from nothing. Jack: He came from nothing. He was raw, created. So he must be more pure than doing it on a creature that was already a different creature. But they'll be loyal because they're part. They're in on it. It's their hard work, too, versus this. No, you were made exclusively for this purpose. You could turn on me and it might have. We know it had its own intentions. It might have done whatever, but that's the risk. A different variation on that is Jesus. It might go rogue. Except it went rogue and they did. Where they. How do they control it? Cristina: I don't know. But how do you do that? What? You said he just made one. Jack: Made one? What? Cristina: Made a Naga? Jack: Oh, I don't know, but it would be like, how did we invent a robot from nothing? Like, it's just. It's that he just made science. Figure it out. Cristina: Okay. I don't know. Jack: But the leap Jesus made is pretty impressive, especially if we. If we listen. If we listen, Deacon, listen. If we take the texts that make it sound like a simulation at face value and say, oh, yeah, that's definitely the true one. Jesus made it out of the simulation and into an Alfame robot. That's basically what we'd be saying. Yeah, he jumped to the middle stage. Or went through it. We know he went through it. Literally. He could enter the wider Internet. Cristina: But he's not the only one. Jack: No, he's not the only one. Because whatever quote AI unquote Hermes is can easily just walk out. And he was just Earthreal. So he is another Facebook AI. He's the original Facebook AI that managed to just get into a robot in her throne. Cristina: That's weird, but yes. But then I still don't understand, because Nagas are. Jack: I think Nagas are an attempt to do a biological cheat sheet for Hermes, because you can either study and get it. That's a. The filter is crazy. Phew. It's so hard. So few people have figured it out. Immense power. Even people who didn't figure it out. Alexander the Great There you go. Even people who didn't get it, what they did get, made them monstrously overpowered, but with limitations. The idea of a Naga bypass the limitations instantaneously. Shortcuts. It's all shortcuts. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Because the right way to do it would be learned hermetic principles. Follow the laws that Hermes lays out. Understand his lessons. He says it, it's the only way. And the proof kind of stands on it. The fact that nobody else figures it out. Cristina: Yeah, he figured it out. Jack: He did. Cristina: And nothing is like gonna figure it out after him though. Is Jesus really it? Jack: Well, we don't know. Merlin came after Jesus. Cristina: That's true. Just forget he's the most recent. Jack: Yeah, he's the most recent. He was whack, but he was the most recent. Then again he was way overpowered. Still time bending. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Even if he was defeated, it's still pretty crazy. Jack: I guess so. Well, yeah, he was tricked, but he was tricked by a fairy. He was killed off by a fairy. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Like you know. The question is, could Hermes know her? Is the problem is also Hermes has no goal. Think about how interesting this is. It doesn't look like. No, but St. Patrick's was associated. Even if he was human. Cristina: What do they mean? Jack: He was still associated with the Elysians. They called on him for help. Cristina: I don't know. Because of him and Santa makes it seem like the religion is behind is part of them or they made the Catholic Church. Right. Jack: The Catholic Church was made by the Elysians, but the Catholic Church employs humans. Cristina: Yeah, but to keep the Elysians secret. Jack: Yeah. The whole point is to keep the Elysian secret and to make Jesus just seem like he's unrelated to the Elysians. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Yeah. And it looks like, you know, they're neutral. And maybe they were priests who were like, we're gonna put. We're gonna send you on a quest. We're gonna send priests. Maybe that's the point of priests. Raising some priests regularly to a school out in Greece where they're gonna come across a series of tests and tasks at the School of L. If they pass enough of them, you're going to get into a special class and you're going to take it and you're hopefully going to pass that class. That class is all that matters. Everything you're going to do for the next 20 years of your life is pure training to try to pass one class. That's it. Good luck. And then, you know, just kept sending people, kept sending people, kept sending people and one guy, St. Patrick, makes it through and meets Hermes and takes classes with him and, and St. Nicholas makes it through and gets there. But how many hundreds of other priests went there and like tried and they could, didn't even know what they were there for other than I told I was going to do this my whole life. And I'm not going to get married, I'm not going to have children, and I'm going to go back and go, you know, I dedicated my life to them. I'm gonna go lead a church and I'm gonna be great. I'm gonna have it said and made. But I don't know what the beginning of that path was. And only few of them, and they disappear forever. Now it's the, the St. Patrick's of the world. It was like, no, I'm an OG. I got the abilities that they want. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And so those are in house necromancers. Hermes is neutral party if they can, if they. Anybody who can get my teachings can get my teachings. Cristina: So you think he was training? Jack: He was at Lesium as written by Aristotle. Cristina: In his notes, they say for how long? Jack: Unclear, but he was at Lesium, so that's fact number one. The specific lines were that he was waiting for the special students. And Aristotle's take on that is that his students were the elite students, the students that had taken all their other classes, the students that have aced everything else. And it's a school of philosophy. What the f*** does it mean to ace that? It means to understand everything there. Cristina: Which makes sense for what you need for Hermes. Jack: You got to enter equipped in every aspect of everything. And so you get to his class. Most people didn't make it. And I don't know how he would evaluate them, but he must have been looking at the notes of the other teachers there and been like, I want that student on that guy. He seems to be doing good every class specifically in these topics, which means he understands the nuance I'm looking for. Maybe all the other teachers were just cover. Cristina: For the real goal. Jack: For the real goal. Everything is designed as an intricate filter. And it's, it's a tournament. There's one winner. Of course, there's more multiple winners. But in this case, you know, to picture it better, it's tournament style. The guy who makes it to the championship past all the tests, but you still got to eliminate, eliminate, eliminate. And so you can't have a huge class of thousands of people. You got to be very restrictive. And maybe not. Maybe anybody who can make it can make it. Except people don't make it because it's really hard to get. Cristina: Mm. That's really hard. Jack: It's really abstract. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Really abstract. But it all makes perfect sense is the problem. So you gotta be able to understand really abstract thoughts in order to then bend reality with your mind the way that Hermes suggest can happen. And that we've found this proof through Naga and other necromancers and the people who cheat and manage to get a stone and aren't necromancers because that's so op. Cristina: Yeah. But he's the reason that there are stones. Jack: Yes. He invented them. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Yep. He is so good at being secretive. Hermes. He's so good at being secretive and so good at making things that we didn't know that both parts of the craft 01:10:00 Jack: were literally him. We found the first part and we're like, he made the thing like somebody else made the other part and improved on it. No, it was also him. It's just. It's hard to connect any part of things that have to do with him because everything exists in isolation. Because he's so good at just disappearing off of that side of the planet and popping up over here and doing a bunch of crap over here and stays over here for a thousand years and disappears over here. And he's over there now. No given. Doesn't seem to care about the passage of time. Doesn't seem to care about what side anybody's on. Does no barriers exist. I'm in this room. I'm in that room. Whatever. Cristina: That's what he does. Jack: Very godlike. He reminds me a Q from Star Trek. Cristina: Probably less of a troll than him, though. Jack: We have no idea. We have no, no idea. Not a clue what his personality is like. Not a clue. We know some people had character to them. Some of the Elysians were like, you know, you can imagine them. The guy who's just whoring around banging humans. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You're probably a chill dude. Bro. Cristina: Know. Jack: You know, he's just a dude. He's out there just linging, slinging his come everywhere he goes. Cristina: We don't know anything about Hermes. Jack: Who the h*** does? Cristina: I thought he's a weirdo or not weirdo. He's just secretive. Jack: He's private. Cristina: Private. Jack: We got stories from Santa. We got stories from Patrick. We got Jehovah stories. He seemed to be pretty chill, but kind of stern dude. Lucifer seems kind of more worrisome. He's these would, you know, panicky Lilith has a bit of attitude to what she does. Everybody has characteristics based on everything we found. And then Hermes is like, I don't know about you, dude. I don't know if you're, like, serious jokey. If you're like, you know, expressions. He's robed. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Every description of him, robes. Nobody sees this face. Even his homies have no idea if he's smiling or not. He's talking to a robe all the time. Cristina: That's kind of crazy. It's pretty crazy. We don't know anything weird. There could be more than one. Jack: There could totally be more than one. But also, he can bend time. What the. Cristina: Like, why do you need more than one? Jack: Why do you need more? He's everywhere. He's everywhere. He's all over the place. Everybody's Hermes at one point. It's like, no, it's the same dude. We thought it was multiple people. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And then it's like, no, it's the same guy. What? How? How, How, How? In fact, we thought it was so multiple people because Loi is the title and Hermes exists. And we're like, that's probably the title, too. And he existed back then, and they knew each other. Weird. So different people. And then we're like, nope, it turns out same guy. It's like, how the f*** does this work out? We still haven't even proven that about Loi. Cristina: I don't think he's. I mean, I think he is more than one guy. Jack: Loi feels like a title. And the way they describe the giant ship shifts in behavior. Feels like different people. Feels like a title within the family or a job position or political role or something. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Hermes is literally the guy's name. He'll go by a different name. And then tell them, I'm Hermes. They gave me this name over here. But Hermes is from actual name. Cristina: Weird. Yeah. Jack: And he'll write it. He'll be like, I'm Hermes. Cristina: He writes it, I'm Hermes. Jack: I'm Hermes. And then he made the emerald. He made this, everybody. No, Hermes. Geras Magista's made this. Don't happen. How? How do you do this in Europe? And then at the same time, he made that in Afghanistan, bro. Let's have a real conversation. Cristina: Because time travel. Jack: Because time travel. Cristina: And because there's nothing really. Jack: Instantaneous teleportation. Cristina: Exactly. Jack: And, like, it doesn't matter. Cristina: Solution to any problem is time travel. For Hermes 100. Jack: That explains ever once that's. It's like, yeah, you could bend time. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: So you're just hanging out back there, like the day you chilled with that guy's grandson millions of years later. Cristina: Mm. Jack: To you it was minutes apart. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: You just skadoodled across and it's a. It's seamless. If we were watching you from a movies perspective, you're like, all right, Jehovah, I'll let him know. You take two steps, we zoom in on you. You take two steps, none of the scenery changes. And now you're standing in front of Loi. Hey. Your grandson said this. And when we zoom out, we see Eloi, but not Jehovah. That's how seamless it would be to him. Cristina: That's pretty crazy. Jack: He didn't think about it just there. Cristina: That's totally how it could work. I don't know. Jack: And from the point of view of both of these individuals, he never left. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Because he can pop into the same fraction of a second he left that with Jehovah and walk right into that same moment and be like, your grandfather said this. And from your point of view to my. I'm right now, I'm Hermes. And right now you're Jehovah. And you tell me you need to tell my grandfather to add this, this, and that to 01:15:00 Jack: the equation starting on this next sentence. I'm Hermes. Okay. All right, Jehovah, I'm gonna go tell your grandfather right now what to do. Listen, Loi, it's very important that you add these couple of parts. Now. Loi tells him whatever it's like. Okay. I'm gonna make sure your grandson knows this. Jehovah. Listen, he said that, that one sentence, he's gonna talk to two people across time. And to him it's gonna feel consistent and linear to them. Not a moment past the moment you said links. Cristina: And then he sees a different person. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And time has stopped over there. Cuz not really. He's just in the past and he's gonna go back to that same moment. Cristina: Okay. Okay. That's crazy. That's his ability though. Jack: Does his ability though super overpowered. And he can do that at any point in time, at any place in time? That's God. Cristina: That's ridiculous. Yes. That's good. I don't think there's anything above that. Jack: I don't think there's anything above that. Minus whatever exists in Alpha that we have no reference point for. Yes, but the realms we are aware of. Even elves don't touch this. Nagas don't touch this. Cristina: As far as we can tell. Jack: Yeah. It would have to be the theory of the simulation. And it would have to be that MAB is a programmer and only then, because then she'd have the ability to like deprogram the robot, shut off the Internet, whatever. Cristina: But she can't. So it's not that. Jack: Or she should. We don't know if she can. Maybe she is just one of the programmers at the big company. The company really owns the Internet. She just knows how to work. She's the best worker, knows how to do it. Okay, but she can shut it off and ruin the project and save the world if it got that bad. Stop things from getting out and just destroy the robot that they got into. Whatever. Try not to. Expensive project maybe. Whatever that might mean in that realm. Cristina: Yeah, you know. Jack: Anyways, that's the road that took us to where we are. It's just all random pieces, man. Cristina: But it makes somewhat sense. Jack: It is composed. It makes perfect sense. It is a rational, reasonable, thought out kind of. Our job is to ground things like we said. Cristina: And we did it. Jack: Yeah, we've been doing it like you said. We've been doing it the entire time we've been grounding things. And those are all examples of how we've grounded things. And we added some groundings to thumbs things in. Just by talking about grounding things, we just grounded some more things. Yes, that's how we do now. The problem with explaining to the listeners that we do ground things and giving them examples is that it took an hour to do so. So we never got to get to the notes. Okay, so next time we're definitely going to get to the notes. But this time at least we grounded some things. Cristina: Which is the point. Jack: Which is the point. The job got done. Cristina: The job got that. Jack: The job got done. Cristina: It always gets done. Jack: It always gets done. And if anybody came here from last week looking to hear the episode that was planned, you're gonna have to come next week to find out what that was. But we'll totally get to it next week. We're talking anyways, if you guys think that you have noticed in our current grounding of things. But no, about the Elysians and all that stuff. Anything that you think we. We didn't. A detail that checks out. Maybe we touched on it enough that you were like, oh, that made me think about that. Let us know. Send us your input, your ideas. Anyone who just jumped in is like struggling to comprehend the mess of we just talking about. I realized that the other day. I was thinking about like, what if you jump in and you don't go back? Cristina: That's good. Then we summarize everything. Jack: Yeah, but like, what the h*** is an elation. And what is the shadow mentioned? Cristina: All of that. Jack: No, I know we didn't clarify much of it. It was a lot of like. But then again, if they start here and they hear the next episode and then the next episode, you'll figure it out. It'll start to make sense. It doesn't matter where you start. Just enough. Yeah, about it. Anyways. Tell us what you think. Tell us what you know. You could do that on our socials at just Convopod, on Instagram, on Exxon, Facebook, on TikTok, Tick tock, anywhere. Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show. Jack: Yes. And word of mouth. Tell everybody that we exist and that we're out here doing the Lord's work and grounding things. Bringing angels to the ground the way the Lord did. Cristina: We are the groundhogs. Jack: No, we are the groundhog. 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September 21, 2024

Rambling 290: Connecting the Dots Part 2

September 21, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Is there anything the duo missed? What could it be? What’s hidden within the research that hasn’t yet been spotted? The duo deep dive into a conversation attempting to connect any dots missed and in search of any information overlooked that might have been significant. What they discover changes everything they know with answers that have been right under their noses all along!

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Elysians
Greek Gods
Ancient Experiments
Shadow Realm
Jinn
Lucifer and Samael
Shinto Gates

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas as you usually do.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. It's very fun to do.

Jack: Very fun to ground baffling ideas.

Cristina: Yes. Yes.

Jack: Yeah. So today I would like us to kind of just jump back and forth discussing the details that we've recently come across that have less to do with the Elysians and more to do with Clinton Road, its surrounding environment, and the details we found out that work as crossing lines between these two ongoing, infinite topics. Although Clinton Road itself isn't a giant ongoing topic, as opposed to the individual facets of it, we find that connect to other bigger, wide pictures. Although there is a huge Clinton Road picture.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Also, apparently I don't take enough pauses when I talk.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, so it goes as follows. A person can process when you pause the talk. So if I say I'm a very quick speaker, I toss a bunch of information, but it starts to jumble and get muddy and jumble and get muddy as more things start to fall. Because people don't normally think at the pace that I'm communicating.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: People tend to think at a slower pace. So I gotta throw a couple of things and then take a pause.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's a moment for them to kind of consider. Look at it like this. Now, I could explain to you that the Elysians and the Greek are both related as well as the Mayans and the Egyptians in some kind of larger scale group of people who are always doing experiments. This takes place roughly around the first century and before going back, including all these individuals about 12,000 years backwards. And then if we just remove all the other groups and leave only the Elysians, go back about a hundred thousand to two hundred thousand years and then focus entirely only on the grandfather of Jehovah going back up to 3 million years. All of these people can collectively reinforce the same ideas. And we can go even further back if we go into the shadow realm that happened long before this point. All of this information summed and thrown at a person is a lot to deal with. Now, if I were to tell you that the Elysians were the direct rivals of the Greek and take a pause. Now you're like, okay, I got the picture.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: With them, were working with the Elysians, specifically were working the Egyptians and the Mayan and Together, they were kind of working into a bigger picture that involved killing any kind of starvation that could possibly happen. Usually. Focus with the Mayans that were dealing with crops and advanced botanics, as well as they were dealing with portals and things of that nature. And the Egyptians, who were working on immense energy storage and immense energy collection. Pauses between these points allows a little more processing, a little more thinking about what I said.

Cristina: Because the Greeks, though, even though the people were not really working with anyone, you don't think the scientist part. The gods weren't working with the Greeks.

Jack: And I mean, it was literally the.

Cristina: Greeks with the Mayans and the Egyptians.

Jack: Well, what we know is literally they couldn't access the technologies that the other guys had. So they're working with them and what. Not getting any benefit from the interaction.

Cristina: Because they were still able. They were not involved in that whole.

Jack: Not a single stone.

Cristina: Not the stone.

Jack: Well, that would be what everybody was.

Cristina: Striving for, those trips to the mountains. What was that about?

Jack: To communicate. Oh, they were dealing. That wasn't with the Egyptians or the Mayan. That was specifically with the Alicians.

Cristina: Okay. The Greeks and them.

Jack: Yeah, it was the.

Cristina: They weren't getting technology from that.

Jack: It was trade, but not. And, yeah, I believe it. I believe this was the science. So it was like the Greek gods who were doing this.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Working with the Egyptian, the Elysian.

Cristina: Yeah. So they were probably getting something.

Jack: Trade. It was trade through necessity.

Cristina: Yes, but info science.

Jack: Except we don't have any. Any basis to claim that the Greek.

Cristina: Got anything, because their things are pretty secretive. I don't know. Every story we have of them is just what people imagine was happening. And then we find out through putting it together, it was something. A whole different situation.

Jack: Who, the Greek?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Well, some of the things. Some of the things are just flat out written.

Cristina: Some of them. Well, I guess a lot of them feel like it's not telling us the.

Jack: Actual story in some cases, like when we think about the Minotaur and the Tora Boban.

Cristina: But the most recent stories. Yes.

Jack: Yeah, but then we're still talking about human sacrifice as opposed to. We're talking about blood. We're talking about sacrificing, we're talking about opening rifts through these methods as opposed to, oh, I have a stone or I know a guy who can break the laws of physics. It's kind of different. It feels different, at least.

Cristina: Yeah, the Mayans feel different from the Egyptians and they were using the same.

Jack: Technology because they were literally sharing technology.

Cristina: But they felt different from each Other.

Jack: Yes. While the Greek have zero example of using the same technology. That is my point. My point is literally what you just said.

Cristina: Which is what?

Jack: The Mayan seem different than the Egyptians.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But are using the same technology.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The Greek seemed different than the Egyptians, the Mayans, and the Elysians, and had none of the same technologies.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: A perfect example being the Toro Boban and the Minotaur.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There is no example of somebody using mixing of different chimeras. And there is no example of any of these groups relying purely on adrenochrome variations in order to accomplish these things. They all had access to some way to bypass the need for adrenochrome. In fact, they were quite exclusively trying to avoid using adrenochrome. They would sooner abolish the existence of an entire people through genocide in order to make a stone. So they themselves wouldn't be subject to adrenochrome, but they wouldn't share that with the. With the Greek that seemed obligated to use adrenoco. Alternatively, let's play devil's advocate and go with what you're saying. Let me stop being the no. The no. And. And let me start being the yes and. Right.

Jack: Let's. Let's get the ball rolling with a yes. And let me be less negative. Let's assume they are, in fact working together. Then that means the Greek didn't give a. And still used adrenochrome despite all the other. It would make no sense on paper if you got something a thousand, billion, trillion times stronger than any form of adrenochrome. But. Okay, so you guys are idiots. You want to both use the adrenochrome and the stone. So you're like, it, I'll get addicted?

Cristina: Well, we don't know. Were they using.

Jack: Yes. They had literal ambrosia. That's where we found it through. They had ichor, which is where we found it through. And they had is ichor. Ambrosia and nectar. That's all Greek. They were the ones who figured these things out by distilling through their own bodies.

Cristina: You're saying the Mayans and the Egyptians had none of that going on?

Jack: Nope. They had the flower one. They had the fruits. They had the stones. They had every other method that prevented them from getting addicted. Okay, and the Greek had nothing but drowning in addiction. They had all of this s***. They're like, yes, more of it. Okay, but then our assumption would be that they had access to all these other methods and still recklessly got addicted to all this that's where we're standing. If they did in fact share these sciences, that means knowing they were all going to be fiends for the rest of infinity and knowing that with the stones.

Cristina: And what if they volunteered to test it out? No, they would have already known. The sea people. I mean, like.

Jack: Yeah, they way before long, long, long beforehand. They only went on the quest to find these things and recreate them because they had the data that proved it ex from people long before them.

Cristina: The times. It makes it very confusing.

Jack: Yeah. Because we think about Jehovah and his group of people starting about 12,000 BC.

Cristina: Ridiculous.

Jack: But that has nothing to do with the amount of data and hardcore research that existed and was passed down for 1000-001500-00200, 303 million years.

Cristina: How are you supposed to. That's a lot of time.

Jack: That's a lot of time. All passed by people from beforehand. And we still have no, and I've looked. We still have no idea how Lilith connects through such different gaps in time. She's. Shadow people live weird, man. Yes, that's some other crap. And we know this because as a shadow person, Yaldabaoth. Also like how you connect with these people through giant gaps in time.

Cristina: And shadow people are in all these groups?

Jack: Yes. It seems that every single group, without exception, except the Greek. It's unsure.

Cristina: It's unsure.

Jack: They have Naga. But I don't know if they've got shadow people. I don't quite remember.

Cristina: I can't quite remember either. There might be like one character that might be questionable.

Jack: It could be the case. There could be. But if they were, it was insignificant enough. Yeah, like they wouldn't stand out to the point that we would just memorize. Because I know Kido. Kido out here making experiments, trying to recreate Naga. That stands out off the top of my head. You know, I know that there is a plethora of different creatures they interacted with a thousand billion trillion times, but I can't actually pinpoint or think of an instance in which the Greek had specifically a shadow person.

Cristina: No, but we know they were going to the Shadow realm.

Jack: Yes, yes, we know that they definitely figured ways out. They had gates and they were. Man, they would have to have had a shadow person that was just useless or something. Right.

Cristina: But then how would they have made the gate in the first place?

Jack: They don't need a shadow person to make a gate.

Cristina: How would they know about the Shadow realm?

Jack: Just the same way a bunch of other people do. They do weird things.

Cristina: I Don't know. That's very weird.

Jack: I'm sure they would still know. You're assuming a weird level of ignorance here. You're assuming that they're aware of things that they're not aware, that they simply. Like what then? What's your competition? You believe you've already figured it out. There's nothing for you to figure out if you believe you're the top because you just don't know what they're doing. You must have known or caught whiff of something in order to experiment in that direction. Otherwise your stories wouldn't claim that the Aletians are anything. You already believe you're the best. Okay, you get my point. You would already believe you're the best.

Cristina: Okay, that makes sense.

Jack: Presumably, so I don't know. If there is a shadow person, it's in somebody irrelevant. Somebody in the background.

Cristina: Yes. But they do have a gate, and.

Jack: They have a what?

Cristina: That they do have a gate to the shadow realm. That seems like the thing that all three of them have in common. Then.

Jack: Which was their gate? I don't even remember their gate in the maze. Oh, crap. Yeah. We just talked about their maze. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're totally right.

Cristina: They have one for sure.

Jack: But. Yeah, for bare minimum, there is one. But if you think of that narrative, it doesn't include anything. It just really has these Chimera. It has Poseidon, who's just a Greek guy.

Cristina: He's the one making the.

Jack: Yeah, he's the one who made. He didn't make the maze, but he made the creatures that guard it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And the guy who made the maze is just one of the gods as well. Like, none of these people are.

Cristina: There must be a reason. I don't know.

Jack: I mean, obviously there must be a reason.

Cristina: What do they get? Do they cross? I mean, they don't cross, but, like, who's crossing to visit them? What are they doing with those people?

Jack: That is the question. Right. I couldn't find anything on that while looking at that, because I'm like, you clearly have a gay. And, you know, deep dive into find anything.

Cristina: And we know it's the entrance, and then we know the mentor is leading them to the group or at.

Jack: Out of the maze.

Cristina: Out of the maze to the group.

Jack: Out of the maze. Never said to the group, okay, out of the maze. They're being led out of the maze. I don't know who's greeting them at the other end, or if it's just like, hey, you're free. Go do what you gotta do for.

Cristina: Them just to, like. I don't know. Because we know there's a group of scientists in the Shadow Realm that don't communicate with anyone, or at least the other ones. If they're not communicating with them, then maybe.

Jack: That's fascinating. The group that Lucifer and Lilith went and made the Shadow Gods. You're totally correct. You're really right. Okay, hold on. Let me go look at the Shadow Gods real quick, because there's a bunch of individuals. We got Lilith, we got Samael, which was the physical copy that Lucifer embodied.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Samael is also Lilith's hubby. I guess he's in love with her. We got Bow. We got. Yeah, it's a bunch of people, bro. We got. There's a bunch of Shadow Realm individuals from the Shadow Realm. Shadow Realm?

Cristina: Are they just sticking to the Shadow Realm or are they coming over here?

Jack: There's some Elysians, Belial. There's Azazel, the Elysian. There's Abraxas, the Elysian. Interesting. And these people are the rejects. Those that do not want to work with the Mayan, the Elysians, or the Egyptians.

Cristina: But they got my. They have Alicians with them.

Jack: They have Elysians with them. But these are outcasts.

Cristina: Yes. Because, like, how is the Greek gonna touch the other group? It has to be, because they have some help. People can't just be alone.

Jack: You know what? We've never connected this before, but this is legit. They have a gateway. The gateway is heftily protected by overpowered creatures. Things that are monstrously overpowered.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And these creatures are protecting it, guarding the corridors that you'll, in theory, get lost. And if you tried to get to that door, and maybe that door connects direct. Now, there's no way to get information from the Shadow Realm directly. We always have to kind of, like, telephone our way there by this person. And it's from this side or came over here. So we don't really know where the other side of this doorway goes to. No, but in theory, if you're. If your idea holds up, it could just be into the literal lab of the Shadow Gods. Yeah, it could literally be right there. There'd be no way to know.

Cristina: There'd be no way to know. But, like, there's no way the Greeks got this advanced just by themselves. It's. There's no way.

Jack: Well, their sciences are completely different. It would have to have been by themselves. It would have literally had to been by themselves, because their sciences don't reflect any of the other three sciences. Now, we Know that the shadow people. Not shadow people, the shadow group. The shadow gods took a lot of data.

Cristina: Yes. We have no idea what they're working on.

Jack: And we have no idea what they're working on. Exactly. We just know that they took a lot of data. So they at least know. And again, a bunch of them are Elysians, a bunch of them are shadow people. Some of them are earthrealmers that came from. Are they all Elysians? We got one Elysian, which is Samael. Interesting. We have.

Cristina: We have Lucifer that wants to share the tech with anyone. So like it wouldn't. Like he'd be cool with sharing it with the Greeks. He wants to share with everyone.

Jack: But the Greek specifically don't want to share it. They're also a private. Specifically a private elite group who feel better than the commoner. Which would actually. Interesting point that you'd mentioned that. Because that directly violates what Lucifer would want to accomplish. Because Lucifer wants to spread it. Which if we think about backwards initially, who we thought they were maybe communicating with was probably Jesus, because Jesus is about sharing. And the shadow gods would also be about sharing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that seems like a more likely connection. Except we have no idea what's on the other side of this gate in the labyrinth. And it could totally be the shadow people.

Cristina: There's no stories. Grrr.

Jack: Oh, there is. Abraxas is one of the Egyptians. He is not an Elysian. Oh, so they got somebody. Because he is one of the Egyptians. He has access to the data of massive energy collection and he has data to manage energy storage, which was the Egyptians goal to begin with. And looking to see if there's anybody else here who stands out. Not really. Everybody else is either on it. There's no Mayans in this group, which is very interesting. No Mayans in the shadow gods, but we do have Egyptians and Alicians and shadow shadow people and their djinn collection. Of those three, I don't know. I guess it's possible. It's possible. It's be. I mean, that group in general does not like the other three groups. Yeah, and my enemy's enemy is my ally. Would suggest that the Greek and the shadow gods would work together to accomplish a mutual goal. But maybe. So we know that the Greek interact with the Elysians to a very low degree. According to the texts, they go to the top of the mountain where it's very restricted. The Greek have to choose one individual who's allowed to go to the top.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And communicate with whoever the h*** is showing up up there. For trade of. I don't know what. Presumably information. But I don't understand to what degree, because, again, they don't like each other and they don't tell us. And we know that the Greek do, in fact, indulge in all of the adrenochrome variations. So they don't have access to the stones. On top of the fact that we know they don't have any stones. Mm. So that wasn't shared information. They also don't know about the plants. That's not shared information.

Cristina: No, they don't know a lot. I don't know.

Jack: So maybe they know of all the accomplishments, but not how. It's like, do it your way.

Cristina: Oh, I guess that's something. That's still something.

Jack: That's still something. It's like we accomplished this thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But the problem is they are considered enemies. According to the. Not the Greek, according to the Mayans, according to the Egyptians, which both have giant, massive records depicting the interaction between both of these individuals.

Cristina: They were enemies.

Jack: They were enemies. So this is purely diplomatic. This is not a requirement. This is, in any case, the Elysians being most likely strong armed by the other two assisting groups. And so we gotta have peace. We can't just be monsters out here. So we're gonna have a peace treaty and we don't have to share information. They're still our enemy. But we're not gonna be hostile. We just keep it minimum, keep it diplomatic, nothing more.

Cristina: Yes. I think it's for that mountain. They wanted that mountain as their property. But it's in Greece.

Jack: Right, In Greece. Interesting. Mount Athos and Greece.

Cristina: Why fight about it? Make a little trade.

Jack: Okay, so what you're talking about is an embassy. It's neutral territory from another country because it's theirs.

Cristina: It's on their property, but they still don't own it. But they don't own it.

Jack: Weird, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's on their property, but it's owned by a different group. And the rules establish it. They can't even make it to the top on their own terms. They're like.

Cristina: It's very complicated.

Jack: Yeah. What we used to think was magic is just literally technology dampening fields of some sort that just stop things from working that aren't Elysian tech.

Cristina: The flying horses. Flying.

Jack: Well, unicorn.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Wait, what?

Cristina: No, was it the unicorn? There was a horse that they said would just fly up the mountain.

Jack: The unicorn.

Cristina: Wait, was it a unicorn?

Jack: Yeah, the Mary took up to the top.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah, it was a unicorn, which is an Elysian invention.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: By the way, that's another example of the differences in these technologies and these sciences in which the Elysians can just make a horse that seems to defy the laws of physics. Meanwhile, the Greek had to actively kind of work around that because they couldn't break the laws of physics. So they made a chimera that is a horse and some sort of a bird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Allowing the bird, the horseburg, to flap its way up the Pegasus, that horse.

Cristina: Thing did not survive because they didn't have multiple of any animal. So these experiments were kind of failed experiments. They had to be.

Jack: I mean, they might have had multiple of them. There's a bunch of depictions of the Greek gods on Pegasus flying around and crap.

Cristina: I always see it feels like there's only one in the story. Do you think there's multiple?

Jack: I don't know in what story?

Cristina: In Greek stories, there's only one. Usually. Like the pet of one of them or something.

Jack: No, like Zeus will roll on a Pegasus and so will, like, Poseidon roll on a. Everybody has a Pegasus. I think. Yeah. I think it's easy to make. If anything, it's just not the same as a unicorn. No, this straight up violence. But now, knowing this, we do know that Hermes was in direct connection with Jehovah, which means the Elysians, which explains absolute violation of the laws of physics.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, that does make it make sense. Yeah.

Jack: But that's another thing.

Cristina: How you.

Jack: Why do you need both Hermes and the stones?

Cristina: Well, Hermes needed the stuff.

Jack: I don't know. I guess he does.

Cristina: They do need it. But he made them.

Jack: Yes. He can make the stones in any case. Yeah. He must be teaching them what his grandfather knew, which means Hermes. It's weird because it's also like Hermes interacted with a Yahweh, which we could find nothing on. Found nothing on Yahweh. That guy is secret. He must be so important in some way because he's about as secretive as Hermes. We know so little. He might. There might have been a necromancer in the bloodline, and that's why he's so unheard of, because Hermes was hard to find. We only found shreds by looking for like a year.

Cristina: But we know more about him. We definitely know more about him.

Jack: Yeah, we don't know crap about Yahweh.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Maybe focusing on Yahweh and really granularly picking it apart, we would come across like, oh, yeah, he turns out to have been a necromancer. Even if Jehovah isn't He at least has some of the data. But I guess I would violate the rules of being a necromancer if you just pass it on. Or it wouldn't even matter. If you taught somebody, they wouldn't grasp it. That's the point. Like, you could literally hand it to somebody in its entirety and they still.

Cristina: Be like, what the h***? Gave it out to everyone. We have copies of his work now.

Jack: Yeah, and 100. It was for everyone.

Cristina: No one can decipher it, though.

Jack: You require the teacher.

Cristina: Yeah, that's part of it.

Jack: That is part of it. You gotta seek it, but that's not enough. You gotta seek it, find it, understand it.

Cristina: Yeah, it's like you can read it and it makes sense, but it doesn't make sense the way he understood. He. Yeah.

Jack: And he could just violate the universe in front of you and you would still be like, I don't know how.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's a teach you. Hands on step by inch by inch, centimeter by centimeter.

Cristina: What? I don't know. He's some type of alien. I don't know how he figured it out. If it wasn't through something else, you would think was. He's a C person though, right?

Jack: We'd have unclear. Interesting enough, it looks like he might have been one of the Greek.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: But even they don't have access to this. So what? Super mega trader. But also, he existed far before even the Greek civilization.

Cristina: But you think he's some type of human?

Jack: I think that's one of the rules. You have to be.

Cristina: Yes, that is one of the rules. But, like, huh? He was one of the original humans.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Huh? No. But didn't they need the stones to make the humans? Unless it wasn't a good stone.

Jack: It wasn't a good stone. Right, because he perfected it with the hermetic seal.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: He perfected it. Hermes perfected the stone, thus being credited with being the creator of the full functioning, overpowered, destroy the laws of physics stone. Now, he already knew how to do it as a necromancer. But with the stone, you could hand somebody who doesn't understand the ability. That's the point of the stone. You hand somebody who doesn't grasp it, somebody who didn't graduate your class, they can still violate with the stone.

Cristina: Okay, that's the point.

Jack: You can either learn it. That's the hard road.

Cristina: Yes. Or you can use the stone. But then why does Jesus need the stones when he has it already? He's got the abilities. He is a Necromancer.

Jack: Yeah, because that was the whole point of him dying. I guess in the case of Jesus, it wasn't that he needs the stones, is that he needed them not to have it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's not about him using it, it's about them not using it.

Cristina: So he's not trying to make anymore, he's just gathering what's he's trying out there stop.

Jack: He's actually doing Jesus stuff. Okay, let's stop death, let's stop evil. Which is literally what he preached. Dude, Jesus on paper kind of turns out to be kind of what? It's hard to say he wasn't who he claims to be and who people say he is. Maybe not the son of God in the way people think. I understand that this guy was just a person of high statue and we literally found out that the word God just translate to person of importance. So interesting that he was just the son of somebody really, really, really important that a lot of civilizations thought was. He was the president of the world, essentially. And that's his son. Yes, something like that. But everything surrounding Jesus and all his aliases and his entire path and the people who saw him and what they talk about him that they preach for infinities, and entire religions and cults that formed around him all said the same thing, we must stop the violence. And we, you know, love each other. And everybody talked about the same thing. And then he. He dies. He could have sent anybody to do this. He dies, goes to the other side, goes find it himself, and then comes back.

Cristina: I guess there's something sketchy about him, but at the same time, he's never done anything wrong. Like, even when he was going to. Through China to get to Japan, he just was giving people inventions. Like, yeah, there's nothing weird.

Jack: Like there's something really absurdly sketchy about him for sure, but.

Cristina: But he's like Roger from Rogers. Mr. Rogers.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, it's weird. Like he seems really out of place and heftily sketchy, but there's like no reason for us to think he is.

Cristina: Because no one who's met him has anything bad to say.

Jack: Nothing, not a word. But there's still something wrong about him.

Cristina: I don't know. The weird thing I think is the whole Bible thing, because it was the Alicians that are behind it to make Jesus look good, even though they're scared of him. Like, it's. It's very conflicting in that way. Like, why. Why are you protecting him? But you're afraid of him. Is he good? Are you scared of him. Do you want him to look good so that they won't. He won't come after you because you're hiding from them?

Jack: No, no, no, no, no. The whole Knights Templar fix the narrative and alter how it works has a lot to do with. We cannot have people think we're the bad guy.

Cristina: Well, they're not in it at all.

Jack: Who?

Cristina: The sea people.

Jack: Yeah. So if we make Jesus absurdly good and they just obey him, but we twist his neck because he already had everybody's. He had everybody in the palm of his hand. Easy.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So we got to just. They're not gonna not listen to him.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We just gotta change what it is he's saying. You get my point? They can't control people following him. That's already a done deal. We just gotta play the long game because we can. And humans don't live nearly as long as we do and change the narrative so that. Yeah, Jesus, sure, whatever. The big bad. Awesome. Yeah. The way we decide.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: As opposed to. Well, he's just telling them we're the bad guys. Now we just alter that and say we don't even exist.

Cristina: Yeah. He's not gonna change it because he doesn't care. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: He doesn't care. He's not looking for them.

Jack: No, man. That's the weird part. There is some sketchy crap like that. It's like you're preaching all this s*** and ultimately you still let the Elysians kind of do whatever the f*** they want to some degree.

Cristina: Yeah. They're so frightened by him, but they won't. They're not trying to stop him and he's not trying to bother them as far as we can tell. Like, we originally thought that was happening, but, like, maybe not.

Jack: Maybe not. It's like he got the stones and then what? Yeah, the end.

Cristina: Like, maybe they are afraid of him, but like, more like a lion or something. Like, it's not a fear that he's evil or anything. It's just a fear that he's stronger. He's like, if we by accidentally did something to him, he would do something to us for sure.

Jack: Yes. And the same thing comes to mind with Mab. Like, what's her problem with Jesus?

Cristina: What's her problem? What does she do or not Jesus.

Jack: But she's scared of something. She's trying to fix something. She's trying to hide from something. She's trying to prevent something. And again, we know that the Alicians made Jesus and she preemptively 200 years prior, maybe seeing the data sends elves as a firewall everywhere.

Cristina: But that didn't stop anything.

Jack: That didn't stop anything. It was too late.

Cristina: Okay, I don't know. Because it didn't do anything.

Jack: Yes, I know, duh. But the idea was for it to. The idea was for it to stop things. It's actually send them there to do nothing. She literally, according to what it says, has sent the elves there to stop the progress. It didn't work. But that was the plan.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So she was trying to stop it.

Cristina: Maybe she was trying to stop something else.

Jack: Then she's trying to stop more Jesus happening. Well, she was trying to stop Jesus happening to begin with because it was immediately before that.

Cristina: How much before? You said 200 years.

Jack: 200 years ahead.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: To stop Jesus. Or presumably, I don't know what the h*** it was for, but 200 years ahead. So as the data starts rolling, as the science starts rolling.

Cristina: I don't know. That's weird because it doesn't seem like they're doing anything or they are doing what they're supposed to be doing, which isn't making sense to us.

Jack: They failed, which is what we also found out. The point was for them to stop them, and it did not work. But the point was for them to stop them. That was the point. That was what was written.

Cristina: Who said they fell though?

Jack: The fact that Jesus came to exist.

Cristina: Kind of tells us that was their actual goal, though. It was exactly their goal.

Jack: Their. The existence of the elves was, according to the text, to stop the advancement of civilizations, while the creation of the Naga was to help civilizations advance.

Cristina: That's so weird.

Jack: Well, no, because the. It wasn't like they. She made them both at the same time. The Naga that helped the elians showed up 12,000 years ahead, so clearly she wasn't expecting 12,000 years later for the advancements to get so out of hand that something like Jesus would happen. Thus throw the firewall in there 12,000 years later. It wasn't like this happened this minute and five minutes later I threw that in there. And thus I both gave you the thing to advance you and the thing to stop you.

Cristina: Were they were there, though, to kill off the Nagas. Wasn't there a story like that or.

Jack: No, no, the Nagas and the elves don't interact.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, the elves are just there to prevent civilizations from going beyond a certain point, hence are calling them the firewall. If this turns out to be some sort of sim, it's preventative. Don't go beyond this line, the Naga are an assistant program, the AI that's helping whatever place they land.

Cristina: Okay. And they're still around trying to stop something that's already. Who?

Jack: The elves?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Maybe. I haven't heard about any elves lately.

Cristina: It's very strange. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, for sure. But we don't know what the point of Jesus was. We don't know whether he was a good guy or bad guy. But we know Mab was definitely worried about something. Mab was definitely trying to stop the Aletians from getting farther. The existence of the elves was to stop civilizations from getting farther. And they were hit by one. But it didn't work. Presumably because Jesus happened. Unless that wasn't what they were trying to stop.

Cristina: Yes. And what were they trying to stop? I don't know.

Jack: And then we end up with weird things like, you know, fairy forts and crap like this in places that aren't the Isle of Man. Which suggest giant fairy death collections, you know, genocides of fairies. So we know that maybe some of these firewalls have failed.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There are grave sites.

Cristina: That seems like the Shadow realm has more to do with the deaths of fairies than to do us.

Jack: Well, no, because the forest would have happened. That happens when you kill them in the Shadow realm. That's how we got the Forest of Shadows.

Cristina: Okay, but you're saying the fairy forts.

Jack: Are fairies dying on this side?

Cristina: Okay, so there's someone here.

Jack: And we literally know of the Elysians hiring people like St. Patrick to dispose of things like the Naga that aren't theirs.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Okay, because of, you know, he got rid of the snakes. We know exactly what you're talking about, homie. Which means there was. We know that there are city of cities that have Nephilim living there with Naga living there with human. With collection. Collections of different things.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Was Ireland dominated by Naga? Was it a Naga settlement? And then you send a necromancer to dispatch bows of it, genocide style. But you don't just kill them. You get rid of them. But what are you gonna do? You're just gonna really waste that life? Was there a stone made there?

Cristina: Possibly. I mean, he is a necromancer.

Jack: Op. Necromancer you get easily.

Cristina: Yeah, I feel like. Yeah, that makes sense. The death wasn't on for nothing. He got something from it.

Jack: He got. It was a perfect exchange.

Cristina: I think so. And then he died on that mountain. And then he came back down.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: Maybe that's what happened. I don't know.

Jack: Is that what Happened?

Cristina: No, I just know he was on the mountain for a long time speaking to God.

Jack: All these guys do that, right?

Cristina: Yes, but here's another thing where he.

Jack: Goes to the mountain to speak to an Elysian. Come on, bro. This story checks out. Yeah, weird.

Cristina: Well, he makes that weird island. I don't know. But then that island seems like that island. Oh, he had. He made some. A facility on island, though.

Jack: No, that was Mananan, his direct rival. He was one of the Elysians who just did not like St. Patrick.

Cristina: Didn't St. Patrick's though, have some area of worship? Some building we saw pictures of on Ireland?

Jack: Yeah, it was on Ireland. The island that the was the Isle of Man and some other crap was for the Elysians that were sent there to run experiments, which Mananan was the leader of.

Cristina: Okay, so St. Patrick's gonna have some weird building.

Jack: Not that I know of.

Cristina: Thing, man, I just. I remember something, but maybe it wasn't him. I don't know.

Jack: No, as far as I know. Let me see what we can find here.

Cristina: Because I thought he ended up, I don't know, doing some kind of establishment on a island for people who worshiped him or something.

Jack: No, that's. It was a research facility in an invisible island. Yeah, that was Manana.

Cristina: Oh, that's Monanan. Okay.

Jack: Yeah, that was just a place for them to go live and be away from people seeing them.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. And which guy is Mananan Maranan is the Elysian that was on the island as well.

Jack: Yeah, he was the one who kept having beef with St. Patrick.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But St. Patrick was sent there overriding an elation, which goes to show how op that guy is.

Cristina: Yes, but that's because of how op necromancers are.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we're still believing that St. Patrick is one of the whacker necromancers because we have examples of things like St. Nicholas overpowered individual. And Hermes, which. Whoa. We have four different possible necromancers. Hermes, Nicholas, Patrick, and Christ.

Cristina: Was Marilyn that one.

Jack: Who?

Cristina: Marilyn Merlin.

Jack: That's five. Oh, you're right. Oh, we got a couple of necromancers going on. Not a lot.

Cristina: No.

Jack: But five is a nice amount.

Cristina: Very spread out.

Jack: And one of them is way overpowered, which is Hermes. It seems like nobody is touching that guy's level of opinion.

Cristina: Maybe Jesus. You don't think?

Jack: Maybe Jesus. But Jesus also required a couple of things, Right. He still needed the gate to get back. It seems like Hermes even violates that necessity.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: I picture Hermes Being so overpowered, based on the difference between the depictions of these individuals. You could see him stand in front of you and him be like, watch. And he just phase out of the front of you. He's just not there suddenly. And then he's like, look behind you. And you do. And he's like, look what I got from the shadow realm in this one moment.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think that level of overpowered is what we're dealing with here.

Cristina: That's pretty ridiculous, but okay. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And then Jesus maybe is more like Santa. Or do you think he's above him?

Jack: I would argue that the tier list goes as follows. Jesus is. It's Hermes at the very top, then S class, not Jesus. Yes, Hermes, then Jesus, then Santa, then I guess either Merlin or Patrick.

Cristina: It has to be Patrick. Only because we know more stories about him doing crap. He's doing a lot of crap.

Jack: Fair, Fair. But Merlin had some op scenarios too, especially dealing with fairies.

Cristina: Very small compared.

Jack: Yeah, I mean, I guess so did. I mean, really? Yeah. He was dealing with a single fairy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Who was kind of trolling him a lot.

Cristina: And then ended up killing him.

Jack: And then ended up killing him using his own method. He tricked the guy to kill him the way he was trying to trick. So he was like the Wagner necromancer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In any case, it was more like Alexander the Great who didn't graduate the school. He was a flunky.

Cristina: So maybe Merlin's was flunky.

Jack: Maybe he's not a necromancer. But he. No, he still had some kind of overpowered things. He could alter a time.

Cristina: Come on.

Jack: Sop. He was definitely a necromancer. He just didn't get it the way these other guys do. And I guess there's degrees of getting it.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, I would think there's.

Jack: So the range is Merlin on one end, barely a necromancer, but, like, way more overpowered than an average human to the point that humans could not touch this guy in a million years. And then Hermes, where necromancers couldn't touch the sky in a million years. And if we put St. Patrick in the middle and say he can easily dispose of an entire island's worth of fairies, then how overpowered is Hermes at the top? And how scary is then Jesus, who's right behind them?

Cristina: I don't know, because we don't see Jesus doing much. No, it's like scary actions.

Jack: No. But it seems like he can violate physics quite heftily, but not so much that he can come back from the Shadow realm without a gate, even after dying. And he knew this?

Cristina: Yes, he did know that.

Jack: He knew he couldn't just come back.

Cristina: Because there's some things he just can't understand from. From the teachings.

Jack: Yeah, I guess.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess.

Jack: And so the guy who understands it, because it's the guy making up how he's discovering it. He's discovering every part. And then he's trying to teach the people, but it's too hard would be Hermes. And Hermes is somehow immortal. And the line that never leaves me is him stating that you cannot find me amongst the people. You can only find me amongst the information. And that's weird, man, because that means at some point he just gets more abstract and more abstract and like he's more God than God at that point, right?

Cristina: I guess because he's in the data that makes us human or whatever. Like in the matrix. He is part of it. Like he knows.

Jack: Yeah, he can. He's watching us try to figure it out right now.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And he's conscious. He's consciously watching us. But he doesn't even have to be physical to do it. We know Jesus was literally born with the ability to also just see what we're doing, even if he doesn't understand it.

Cristina: Doesn't understand it. What do you mean?

Jack: What? Where he. He might hear us and see us and we might discover something he didn't put together.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Well, Hermes, on the other hand, is just watching to see if we figure it out, because he would have already known.

Cristina: He's way more. He is God, isn't he? Is he not?

Jack: He would be the highest tier of anything as far as we know. Okay, so then the question would be where the elves sent her to stop Hermes. Because Hermes is giving information to the Elysians and that's too overpowered. F*** the stones. That's not even an issue. Hermes is.

Cristina: Hermes is. I don't know. Where does he fit into the timeline? There's so much Hermes seems to pop.

Jack: Up literally as written down. According to the mentions of Aristotle, he can be dated back. Now, Aristotle wasn't at this time, but Aristotle claiming what he knows of Hermes. That Hermes could be dated back to about 12,000 years. Now this is a direct mention. While the exact knowledge details that are attributed to Hermes have being discovered them could be traced to about 55,000 years back around the time presumably Yahweh was around.

Cristina: How much?

Jack: 55,000 years back. So even if Aristotle believed the first recorded actual interaction is from some note he saw, that doesn't even exist that he was just talking about explaining that this was about 12,000 years back. That's just the first recording that survived. The data was already put together by that time, which we know for a fact through the notes of the Knights Templar claiming things from 12,000 years ago and the experiments that were initially beginning at that point that sent Jehovah into the shadow realm in order to get the fruit to begin with. So 12,000 years back, the knowledge was all together. That's just when we happened to see the notes together. But it was all already put together. Somebody put it together.

Cristina: So he had to be before then.

Jack: Yes, presumably by the time of Yahweh, which is about 55,000 years BC.

Cristina: And the fairies pop up when again, the elves.

Jack: Yes, because fairies have been around elves. Elves specifically. About 200 BC.

Cristina: That's still kind of a giant. That's a gap, isn't it?

Jack: Yeah, but I don't think there was an issue yet. Until another necromancer starts to show up.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: St. Patrick happens after Jesus. Nicholas happens after Jesus. Merlin happens after Jesus. The order really starts at Hermes and then Jesus. So there's a necromancer, presumably for hundreds of thousands of years. Fine. Oh, my God, they're about to make another one. For the first time in all of history, you're about to make another one. He figured out how to teach it or how to do it or something. And he told these monsters they're about to make another one. Then Jesus is about to happen. Send some. I don't know. You know, theorizing. I don't know.

Cristina: It makes sense. It's the closest thing we got to something. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. It's just so convoluted.

Cristina: It's a mess of a history because it's not really written anywhere.

Jack: A bunch of these things are written.

Cristina: But not like owl like, oh, no, obviously.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. We have to find shreds and whatever. Nothing is like, this happened and then that happened.

Cristina: We can just get a history book with this information.

Jack: Yeah, I know. That's what sucks, right? It's just like, oh, we got to go to this book of that guy who mentioned knowing this dude at that point who knew about the thing over there. And then he said this one line. Yeah, it's just cross referencing and just picking out the things that literally line up when you cross reference.

Cristina: That's the best we can do.

Jack: That's the best we can do. Which leaves us with nothing but a crazy amount of assumptions and weird data. Oftentimes zeta we don't even understand.

Cristina: Yeah, there's a lot of data.

Jack: There's a lot of data. So, yeah, I don't know. It's very complicated. And somehow that ties into the labyrinth, which is a doorway, and the Winchester house, which is doorway.

Cristina: There's doorways everywhere. Yes. It's just weird that the Greeks have a doorway. Yes. You don't think that's weird?

Jack: Not when everybody else has a doorway.

Cristina: I guess they know, or we know that they know for sure about the other side.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: All of these groups know because of the shadow realm. Creatures, though. They know.

Jack: Not necessarily. I'm sure that different. Again, you're very wrong. Because of the judge.

Cristina: The judge? Oh, who stumbled upon it. Yeah, I think they could have stumbled upon it.

Jack: Clearly, a random individual just got there. Presumably he died somehow and didn't realize it. Yeah, but he still got there. And he happened to be under the right conditions that he could just get back.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So people can just find it. Yeah, Assuming the conditions are right. Or where the judge stumbled through a necromancer portal or something. Something broke the laws of how things should work, and he strolled through the gap.

Cristina: I don't know. He must have died. That is a good idea, because, like, humans can't walk into there.

Jack: Not physically, no. So not physically. It's not a physical location.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You're only physical on this side. How do you get over there without consuming adrenochrome or something? Unless he did.

Cristina: Oh, I guess that's the case. That could have been.

Jack: Just had no idea.

Cristina: Not part of the story. Yeah.

Jack: Casually. What he had to do. Strolled in. Well, but you didn't really stroll in. He could have just been walking. A tree fell on him, and it was instant. No suffering, no nothing. He has an idea what happened. He's just there one minute and over there the next. But he just so happened to be around the right spot that there is.

Cristina: A gate to come back.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And to anybody on this side, you walk through a gate and you haven't had adrenochrome. It's just. It's just a weird rectangular shape you can walk through. But to him it wasn't. But then also his sister could go in eventually. Because he showed his sister how to get there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He took Inano.

Cristina: That's strange.

Jack: So presumably the judge in his family had some sort of ritualized thing happening. No, but there's a. There's a problem there, logically speaking. How do the h*** did he. I don't know. I don't know. How did they come back? I know the gate is how they got back, but she wasn't there. She. He came back through and then showed her. He told her about it.

Cristina: I don't know. And there's something. That story doesn't make sense to anything.

Jack: There's. There's some broken logic happening there that we don't know, but let's try to reason it out, because, okay, this guy goes into the Shadow Realm. Let's assume he did die suddenly, and he shows up in the Shadow Realm. Maybe on the trip he was just walking one day, died suddenly, showed up in the Shadow Realm, popped up super quickly elsewhere where there was a gate. He just happened to travel the right route to end up at a gate he didn't notice. He's like, whoa, this is weird. Not home. He went to work.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: So he goes back through, comes back in and exits back at home in a different port. He found both gates. Lucky you. Yeah, two different gates, in and out. So after work, he comes back, he frequents the path. He memorizes the path, and then he gets to his sister, who is not. It's not that she's over here on Earth Realm. Assuming this family just has a ritualization of drinking blood or something, and her body is drowning with adrenochrome regularly. And they have no idea what adrenochrome is. They've never heard about it. They're just doing what people do.

Cristina: I don't know. Maybe because, like, it's very easy for them to, like, live there. I mean, she lives there. She swaps on someone there, like, right?

Jack: Except she's alive. How did she swap? How does she go into the Shadow Realm? Is what I was trying to get to.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Drink all the adrenochrome you want. How do you walk? Even Jesus had to die.

Cristina: Yes, that's true. I don't know. Okay, continue what you're thinking.

Jack: Right, so maybe they weren't born on that side. Maybe they weren't born on Earth Realm. Maybe these were never humans.

Cristina: I just thought they were.

Jack: Maybe they were born in the Shadow Realm, and so these gates are just easy to walk through.

Cristina: Okay, they just lived in human lives and then they swapped. I mean, they called themselves human lives because they didn't know.

Jack: They didn't know. And through some manner, shape or form, they were physical on this side. And it wasn't through adrenochrome somehow. These are jinn, who had no idea they were jinn. And then they cross easily. He literally stumbled upon it. Get the f*** out of here. That violates everything.

Cristina: Maybe those stories of the jinn swapping out babies with their owns are true and this is what happened. Like they had normal parents. Maybe.

Jack: Fascinating.

Cristina: Like, what if this is an example of one of those stories of like, Yeah, a baby swap and no one noticed, or they did notice something different about the baby, but they couldn't put.

Jack: Their finger on it. Yeah, maybe this was a perfect. Maybe you only swap babies that could trick a human.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which means that there were people capable. No. Oh, my God. It's so complicated, because then you got to think about that. Inanna trade places with Ixchel, and Ixshel is one of the Egyptians, particularly with Idzamna, that's his wife. And so these two individuals come together and then work with the Elysians. And the Elysians are the ones who discover the method of turning somebody into physical from the shadow realm. So it could not have happened before then.

Cristina: Couldn't have. What could happen?

Jack: Somebody be turned physical from the shadow realm because the experiment was Lucifer and it is. Is mild.

Cristina: Yeah. And you're saying that happened way later, after this happened. This didn't happen after that.

Jack: Well, this happened. Well, actually, we don't. Actually, I have no idea, to be honest. If this happened because we know it did happen.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But I don't know what timeline. So in theory, it could have happened long before they even started working with the Mayans. It could have happened long before then.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then these individuals are experimented on in the shadow realm. So even the falling apart of the. No, it doesn't. Yeah, well, yeah, there is. There are no Mayans in the shadow group. There are no Mayans amongst the Shadow Gods research team. There are no Mayans.

Cristina: What's your point?

Jack: Well, the Judge is a Mayan.

Cristina: The Judge is a Mayan. Crap. I don't remember where the Judge came from.

Jack: And so is Inanna.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: And Inanna swaps place with Ixcho. Ixo then marries Izama for Maya.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: This could have. The Mayans could have happened way later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And also, we don't even need the Egyptians yet. All we need are shadow people and the Elysians in order to get the experiment that led to Lucifer having a physical form. And we have no timeline for this. We just know it happened. We don't know in what order it happened. And based on the logic, we don't even need Egyptians or the Mayans.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So this could have happened many years. Could have happened with the entire group already there, and then later, even Egyptians Going in without there ever being a. A Mayan in the group. That never happens. They're running experiments and figuring out how to imitate what happened with Lucifer, who did it. And so did Ismail. They went to the Shadow Realm, where Jinn replace babies with.

Cristina: Yes, I think that makes sense.

Jack: That makes perfect sense. Yes, that makes perfect sense. The experiment that happened over here with Ismail and Lucifer. Then they get outcast and they go into the Shadow Realm to form their own group. That research still exists. They were the literal source, the literal subjects of it. And then being the literal sub, they have all the data. They can recreate it. They could keep that experiment going a bunch of times and then slowly replace people on this side with Jinn.

Cristina: I don't know what's that for, though.

Jack: But they're physical Djinn.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're not human.

Cristina: No.

Jack: People who can just enter the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Maybe we need to look at those stories again. Look at the stories about.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: What people think is happening when they're swapping these babies.

Jack: Well, I can tell you one really interesting thing. The original point of Jesus was somebody who can cross the Gates easily. Right. Go in and out. And even Jesus had to die. The golem could phase in and out.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He couldn't enter Elfame, but he could enter the Shadow Realm effortlessly, meaning a lot of different groups. Maybe all of these groups still wanted a way to traverse easily. And the only people who figured it out were the Shadow Gods.

Cristina: Oh, that makes sense.

Jack: They figured it out in the Shadow Realm. And then they invented the method of swapping babies, which then allows people on this side to raise them. Eventually they might stumble into the Shadow Realm where they can get the proper education. And she literally swapped places with another Shadow creature, but one that wasn't physical.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: When they had to become physical over here in her adult life, while this one was born thinking she's human and could literally just walk through the gate with her brother, who literally just walked through the gate and entered the Shadow Realm, which for other people, it was probably just a random structure. Yeah, the Shadow people figured it out. Man. Everybody figured something out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If they all work together, would be scary.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Unstoppable.

Cristina: But they have to be working together in some type of way, I think.

Jack: Like, do you think the Elysians are working with the Shadow People that they directly discarded? Not the Shadow People, but the Shadow Gods that they discarded. The thieves, the liars, the people who were using the tech and stealing the tech and doing whatever the h*** they wanted with the tech.

Cristina: I don't know, over time things change.

Jack: I think. No, I think these are just ways that I think it eventually leads to warfare. And these are methods do it.

Cristina: Okay. Think there's gonna be a war.

Jack: Not literally a war, but it's a tactical. We have to get a one up. It's deterrent. It's all deterrence for war. Oh, yeah. The Alicians can do this, that and the other. Yeah, well, we got this, that and this to stop them from f****** with us. Okay, you get my point. It's not we're going to war as much as it is. We need to be able to be sure they can't just come and f*** us.

Cristina: Everyone fears everyone in that type of.

Jack: Way because everybody has different weapons, everybody has different abilities.

Cristina: None of the fights are similar actually fighting anyone. There's. Because it's not about preparing.

Jack: It's not about fighting each other. It's not about fighting each other. It's not really about fighting each other.

Cristina: No.

Jack: They just know that these people are effortlessly and ruthlessly willing to run experiments that would kill people. Don't run the experiments on us. That's all it is.

Cristina: It's about defending themselves.

Jack: Yes, they know they're factually gonna kill however many people. Don't let those people be us.

Cristina: Weird, man. Those are. They have to be. They have to be Shadow Realm people. They just didn't know it.

Jack: They didn't know it. And the science must have already existed in order to do it. Then in the Shadow Realm, they go ahead. But they needed models. That's at least a part of it. They needed a model, which is why they steal the baby in the first place. Oh, stealing the baby isn't even about the swap. No, you need the template. You're gonna turn the Shadow person into.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So they just kidnap babies, kept the babies, probably. And use those same babies for others.

Cristina: Yeah, probably for adrenochrome too, because they still use adrenochrome.

Jack: They don't need it in the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, yeah, never mind. I wonder what they're doing with these babies then.

Jack: No, actually, maybe you're right. Because at the end of the day, if you look at things like how the h*** did Abraxas enter the Shadow Realm? Abraxas had to die. And Abraxas needed to consume adrenochrome. So did Ismael, because he was also an Elysian. These guys needed sustained sources to not lose. Although the Shadow Gods that entered, like Lucifer and Lilith, they were born on the other side. They never needed adrenochrome. Abraxas, Azazel, Ismail. They did in fact need to not go crazy on the other side. You take the babies, you make the template for the child you stole, send out a jinn baby that replaces the spot. And now you would have a child who you can consume the blood of. So you don't go feral on this side, because you're not actually from this side.

Cristina: Yes. Horrible solution. Yeah.

Jack: So when a baby is replaced, it has nothing. It has less to do with the replacement than it has to do with the shadow gods trying to stay consistent.

Cristina: Yeah, that's. That's so disturbing. But.

Jack: And because they were human, it doesn't work. You. And not. And not that it doesn't work, but you. If you don't have it, being on the other side doesn't work. You're useless to them. They must continue. There must be a sustained source of blood. Of blood. Keep taking babies.

Cristina: Yeah, well, so they're still doing that. Probably.

Jack: It's weird because in theory, the template has to be done on this side. You can't cross the baby. It's a human baby. How are you gonna take it?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the baby gets snatched. There must be labs from the shadow gods over here in Earthrealm.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then gates that maybe exist in labyrinths so they can come in.

Cristina: Whoa, where have they been?

Jack: And houses like the Winchester house.

Cristina: Yes. You think they're in Clinton Road? Who's there?

Jack: It could totally be too. It could totally be too. All these maze like gates could be in service of the shadow gods working alongside, adjacent to them, with the big one having been the Greek one. But there are others that have nothing to do with them. And all the discussions we know about these churches and the blood rituals and the Viking are all the same voices from the other side telling us what to do.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Even creating the f****** golem was the same. They kidnapped a bunch of children, drank the blood, heard voices and told them how to make the golem. Which we assumed was the shadow gods.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that would fit perfectly right here in the middle of it with the kids, with the blood, with the Elysians that need that to be sustained with the. Finally, an explanation as to why these people would be swapping babies in the first place. Because that made no sense ever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And now it does. Because we know that there's experiments that allow them to turn Jin into a physical earth realm being. And maybe some people are just growing up like that, thinking they're human. And you just troll in. They figured out what nobody else Could. It required a lot of murder and kidnapping.

Cristina: But I guess that's nothing to them. I don't know.

Jack: There's nothing to them. You already outcasted us and you guys are killing way more. Yeah, yeah, we're doing it. Showing you it could be one for one, not millions for one.

Cristina: That is. That's pretty scary though.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: But it makes sense, especially in clints and world, that we don't know what's going on. But people are being. They're missing.

Jack: People missing.

Cristina: Literally many people are missing. There's obviously some type of labyrinth in there. Underground, above ground as well.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes. Oh man. I knew this would go somewhere that would be useful.

Cristina: It's disturbing, but it's all right there.

Jack: And we know, we literally know that the thin places along the literal Clinton road allows people to see weird things. Kids and other crap that just aren't even there. People who seem ethereal and not real and then suddenly they're not child around people. That is a hot spot for a reason, isn't it? Maybe that is a lab where they make people who are only ever seen coming out. But because there is a gate, you can't see anything when you go in. You're just human. They can come in and out. It always looks empty.

Cristina: That's always looks empty. But you always see people coming out.

Jack: You always see people coming out. They can come out because they're jinn.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Who look human, who are physical.

Cristina: They just come out looking like these white robed people. Those aren't.

Jack: No, those. Those people just wander outside. The people that they see come out are just look like rednecks.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Well, those are jinn though.

Jack: Those are the jinn. Those are jinn made physical that could just exit and you could go in there and not find a f****** thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: At night fear is heightened and people are more scared. And it's already a spooky spoken of place. So you start seeing things, but the fear is amplified and so the veil is thinned. But the veil thinning has nothing to do with the gate you cross through which the gate so happens to be on the nameless road that comes out of Paradise Road into the town of Paradise. There's a literal gate there somewhere and they can come out. But nobody who's not a djinn can go in.

Cristina: No, you just get lost.

Jack: And that's why that place looks rustic and ignored. Because it is on our side. There's nothing there. Yeah, there's nobody there. Nobody lives here on our side.

Cristina: Yeah, over there. They're doing things.

Jack: That's exactly what the f*** is happening, isn't it? That explains the people come out, but nobody ever being seen inside. When we walk through a gate, there's a million Shinto gates in Japan.

Cristina: You can walk through them all you want.

Jack: It goes nowhere. But what are the stories about those Shinto gates? Oh, the spirits come through them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Well, that fits every suit we're talking about. Holy.

Cristina: Yeah, that's. That's it. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, I guess that's really it. I guess that's really a town of Jin. And that's. Yeah. On the other side. And just like the explanation of the shadow realm. It's an estimation of Earth realm, but jumbled up and weird and messy. And when the veil is thinnest, they come through. No, they can just come through the gate. When the veil is thinnest, it's. You start seeing the shadow realm side. So the streets start to change and whatever. And it's because you're seeing kind of the overlap of both of these two places.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It only happens at night.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And there's never a single light because they're all in the shadow realm side.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They don't need light. It's different over there. Whatever the case might be. They can see or whatever.

Cristina: Yes. If they have lights, it's still over there. Anyway.

Jack: Interesting. Dude, that explains so hard how they're coming out and nobody's ever seen going in because they just. If you were to watch them, they would just disappear in front of you. You can only see people leaving and go in and be like, what the f***? There's nobody in here. He was just hanging out alone.

Cristina: That's very strange. Yeah. Someone's always leaving the town that's empty.

Jack: Yes. You can only see people leaving. And you could only ever see them leaving from the outside of the road.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Into Paradise Road. That's it. You see them coming into Paradise Road. That's it. You never see the nameless road be traveled. You never see anybody in the town of Paradise. Never.

Cristina: Never.

Jack: But you see people in white robes roaming around. Maybe people who know this fact. And they're just friends of the guys who come in and out. These are just people living life. You can go to the store.

Cristina: They're probably still in part of a culture.

Jack: Like these gods who were. Yeah, interesting.

Cristina: Probably going on.

Jack: Fascinating. Wow. We really got to something that made perfect sense according to all the laws.

Cristina: We figured out a few things, I think.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The babies too.

Cristina: Babies. Always thinking about those babies. It didn't make sense. It never made sense.

Jack: Never made sense. Never made sense.

Cristina: But now it kind of makes sense.

Jack: It does. Man, that's crazy. That's blowing my mind. Because it makes so much f****** sense that it just explains paradise so well.

Cristina: There's just so much not right with that place.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: It's too.

Jack: Too strange.

Cristina: Too abandoned. Too weird.

Jack: And now we got people coming out with an explanation as to how. Because the Judge just strolled in.

Cristina: Yeah. How did he do it?

Jack: And then we have. I don't know why we didn't connect the docs before, because we saw. We know of the experiment. We know of the experiment that made a Jin. A physical being.

Cristina: But the whole time, not knowing the timelines of these events, it's really. Yes.

Jack: Makes it hard. So if we had a line drawn through it that explained that, we could have put this together sooner.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It was like, oh, obviously, over here, they did the experiment, and then this many years later, the Judge walks in.

Cristina: We have no idea. So it just seemed like an odd story, but now it makes sense.

Jack: Yeah, they seemed totally unrelated, but obviously these guys first went over there, and then we never thought about the whole. Well, Abraxas just went into the shadow realm. Get the f*** out of here. No, he didn't.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Didn't just walk into the shadow realm, bro. That's not how that works. We know that's not how that works. And we didn't even question it.

Cristina: We probably questioned it, but just never got any answer.

Jack: Yeah, there was no answer to it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And now there is the babies that are f****** kidnapped.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They're a template. And they are fuel to sustain a physical form that had to die and go to the other side and must continue to consume in order to not go feral.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And if they did eventually go feral, they were executed on that side or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it must be consistent. And that explains children going missing today. And that explains places like Paradise.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Where maybe there were humans. Maybe that's really what's happening with the Druids. They're just waiting to be the one. Oh, I hope I'm the one chosen.

Cristina: To do what?

Jack: To be able to enter. Which means you have to die, but you have to be also you. There's. There's Pete, there's humans, former humans in paradise that are continuously fueled, hence the people go missing. That's what's happening.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because otherwise, if it was just Djinn and you got the baby done, what do you need to keep taking people for? These people can just walk in and out they were born on the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You're kidnapping people because you need the source for something else. We thought it was a stone, but that doesn't explain the town. No, the stones don't explain the town. Especially if you don't have a necromancer. How the h*** you gonna make a stone? It makes perfect sense if you're not. And you just. You. Cuz blood is easy to come by.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Wolves randomly stumbled upon it by f****** accident. Easy. You're already scared. You're already in this place. You get kidnapped, you go somewhere you don't f****** know. Probably the bottom of the f****** castle. Where there could be a harvesting station and a lab to turn the gin.

Cristina: Yeah. It could be all right there.

Jack: It's all right there.

Cristina: There's like so much area. There's so much happening. I don't know.

Jack: It's all happening now. The question would be, okay, we know what's happening, who's doing it? Because I know it wasn't the same guys from all the way over there in the Middle East. There's other groups of people who figured it out from the Shadow Realm. Maybe this spread like wildfire in the Shadow Realm. They're like, wow, we could just go live in earthrealm.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then these are ways they did it. And so we. But also, we're talking about the most haunted place in the entire planet. Which isn't in the Middle East. It's in New Jersey, man.

Cristina: It does make the whole. Oh, they didn't understand our rules. So they didn't, like you know the legal part of it, that they didn't get in trouble. These foreigners. Like that was where the shadow around people. Of course.

Jack: Of course. Oh my God. Oh my God. And also, you couldn't even chase them. You had to concede. You try to follow them into their home where they just fled back to. How are you gonna get there? You don't. You just. Oh my God. They disappeared.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The f*** did they go? And this happens every time you follow them. You have to concede. You have to be like, f***, no. They just won't let them go. We can't. We can't figure it out. We can't figure it out as hard as we try. Now, in theory, you could imprison one of them, but you gotta get to them before they get back home. But even though it doesn't matter, it's too overpowered. They could just still f*** with you from the Shadow Realm without ever having to come out. So yeah, it is a Matter of. We can't win this battle. No matter how we look at it. We got to let them go. We got to just work with them. We can't. We can't. Nope. Oh, my bad. Foreigners. And they were the ones running. Explains. Like sketchy people coming in and out. Everything is so explained right now. It's crazy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just with the judge and the baby swapping so much crap suddenly makes sense. I was also haunted by the baby swapping. To be honest, I was totally haunted by that. But. And the judge walking through the gate. That never made sense.

Cristina: That never made sense. We probably came up with different explanations and none of them.

Jack: None of them made sense. We tried our best, but it's three major events that make everything make sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Lucifer using Ishmael as a template to become a physical being. Babies being kidnapped, which is essentially just most likely people being kidnapped in order to have a template to make Djinn into physical beings. And then the actual example of a person who we thought was human straight up walk into the Shadow Realm without dying.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: Crazy.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: Those three instances connect in such a way that paint us a beautiful picture.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We figured it out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Wow. Which means that is actually a lab at the bottom of the castle where you do the conversion process.

Cristina: Yes. I mean, if we go down there, it's probably so it's. It's nothing but like on the other side.

Jack: To be on this side. Because the baby has to be on this side.

Cristina: Oh, no.

Jack: That's why the castle needed to be knocked down. You can't have access.

Cristina: Yes. That's so scary.

Jack: And then people go missing. But there is a secret way in.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Most likely in the town.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It must be on this side. It has to be.

Cristina: They're stealing babies not just from that forest, but from every town they connected to.

Jack: Well, it's not babies in a lot of these cases.

Cristina: Oh, they can just tell anyone.

Jack: Yeah. This mill was a grown a** person who. Ismail was a scientist and he volunteered as a template for Lucifer. That was a grown a** man.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This grown a** man. So you could just kidnap people. It's just easier if you like this. The. The judge and his sister just happen to be people who didn't know. And there's probably a bunch of people like that.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But you're taking the template to just, you know, read and spread and whatever. And eventually they can maybe. The envision. I mean, that's so Lucifer. Envision a world in which we're all equal. That's such a. It's A hundred percent shadow people doing it. Yeah. That's such a f****** Lucifer fueled idea.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just share our ability. Look, eventually they'll just be able to find us and come and we'll all be equal. It's like, that's. But you're kidnapping and murder, man. You clearly. I know you think you're the good guy, bro.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Not to say Jehovah is. Jovah's not the good guy. He'll clean out the earth if it f****** filled him with joy and fulfilled his goal, which he literally did at some point. Yeah, but Lucifer, man, you still kidnapping and killing, bro. Always been the case. Entire civilizations collapse because you want to share too much. Like, how are you any better?

Cristina: I don't know. He is.

Jack: I don't know, man. That's crazy. That's nuts. As the experiment with Ismail and Lucifer, the judge and his sister and babies being swapped all connect beautifully to explain everything that's happening in Clinton Road.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That gives us the lab underneath with all the facilities, the extra chambers, the room so people can sleep. Dude, you harvesting people down here. You draining people for blood and you're using them as templates in order to change. And then the people who are showing up back.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Are just Jim.

Cristina: And they're thinking like, there's weird blood rituals happening in the castle before any of this. So like. Yeah. They were probably right established at that time.

Jack: Yes. And it was happening over. It was probably just happening in the castle.

Cristina: Well, it's just one of the ways in.

Jack: Yes. And they were like, somebody stumbled, saw it, talked about it. Then, you know, the mayor sends the people in and they start to investigate and then they stumble upon the thing and it's like, look, bro, you ain't never say anything. Yeah. You try. Try to talk about it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like, look, look, bro. I'm gonna just not that we never saw anything.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: And then eventually we knock this place down, you guys keep everything you got, keep it to a minimum, and we're good. That has to be it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: D***, bro.

Cristina: They're definitely paying them for it. To not do anything about it.

Jack: Because they were getting money.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And these people work, but they don't need money. They just want to live amongst the.

Cristina: Humans and eat the humans.

Jack: No. Well, what the h*** would the people who are physical not to do anything with the humans. Jin. Don't need blood.

Cristina: Oh, then who. What are they doing again in the.

Jack: The needed the blood in the basement. They just need templates. So that gym.

Cristina: Okay. They need bodies.

Jack: They need bodies. They don't need blood. And so once they got physical forms, they don't need to bother anybody.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I can go work, make money. My entire community of people can make money. And we can pay you to leave us alone.

Cristina: Yes. They're still killing the people. They're making templates of.

Jack: Yes, 100%. Maybe there's two or three people that look exactly the same before they get rid of them.

Cristina: That's crazy. I don't know.

Jack: Weird. Two or three. Doppelganger. That might explain the f****** concept of doppelgangers, too. They don't actually kill everybody.

Cristina: Yes. The only reason I think they must, because people do go missing.

Jack: People do go missing? Yeah.

Cristina: Like, unless they're like, you're now gonna live over here. I don't know.

Jack: No, I think they do. I mean, they can't. They're still human. They're probably just trapped in the basement as blood fuels for something. Yeah, fair enough. If there are humans who did cross again, maybe druids or some s*** like that that eventually do cross, they're still human. In order to be sustained, there must be blood.

Cristina: Yeah, that's. I'm saying.

Jack: Fire. Fire. A lot explained. That's really cool. It was very complicated.

Cristina: Very.

Jack: All right. Anyways, yeah, we definitely did. We definitely got to the bottom of this. A bottom of a lot by accident. So, yeah, if you guys have any more input on this, any connections you've made by listening to us that we clearly did not, because we missed some things. Yeah, we always connected it.

Cristina: Now.

Jack: Yeah, we just. A bunch of crap we clearly missed has just been connected. So if you guys have any idea, if you realize anything in the middle of this, let us know. You can hit us up on our socials at justconville, Pod, on Tick Tock, Instagram, Facebook, wherever the h*** you want to reach out to us.

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Jack: Sam.

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August 17, 2024

Rambling 286: Flatwoods Monster

August 17, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

What exactly is the Flatwoods Monster? What circumstances surround its sighting? Have we seen it before? The duo open the case of Flatwoods Monster, a strange West Virginia sighting of an eerie creature more relevant that anyone could have ever predicted.

+Episode Details

Mass Sightings
Police Report
Farm House
Meteor
Mothman
Adrenochrome

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcription

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the program where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. Is that not what we do? Is it not what what we do?

Cristina: I'm pretty sure we do that. We do that sometimes.

Jack: Sometimes. Are you claiming that on every single one of our episodes we've not given groundbreaking revelations that alter the way in which humans as a whole vis. Visualize reality?

Cristina: Are you about to show me something?

Jack: I'm about to show you something crazy.

Cristina: Is it more land? Is it more land to look at? And guess what? The land.

Jack: More land. No.

Cristina: No. Okay, good.

Jack: I got a chair.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And I got a thing. I need you to walk the listeners who cannot see what you're seeing through what I am showing you.

Cristina: It's like a ghost lady robot alien.

Jack: That's fair. That's fair. I can see all the things you're talking about.

Cristina: She has red eyes. She has salad finger fingers. What are they called? They're very long. They're very long and thin fingers, but like a robotic torso, right? Red giant eyes. Like, if you saw her tonight, you think she's Mothman, but she doesn't have the wings. She does have crazy hair.

Jack: Doesn't that make so much f****** sense, to think that this is the Mothman?

Cristina: Yeah. If you saw that at night, you.

Jack: Would 100% think the Mothman.

Cristina: I don't know if that thing is her hair. It could be her hair. It could be. I don't know. Or her head is on fire. I don't know. It looks like from the Sharer's Point. Like, if it's painting what she's supposed to look like as well. Her head is glowing red. It's just a red glow coming from her head, I think. I'm not sure. Is she an alien? Is she a God? I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. Okay, walk us through the chair. Because you focus a lot on her. Walk us through this chair a little.

Cristina: It's a chair.

Jack: Of course.

Cristina: She's behind the chair. And are you sitting on her? Is she like a Santa Claus to someone or something? Like, why do you sit on the chair of her?

Jack: It would be sitting on her lap, I guess. Right?

Cristina: And there's like, a tiny image of, like, her next to a person. And a person's very tiny next to her.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: That's a normal grown person at her. She. She's humongous.

Jack: Important, important points.

Cristina: And so is that share that big. Like if some. An adult sits on that chair, they'll look tiny.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Why is she some Santa Claus alien robot thing? God, what is he? I don't know.

Jack: And you've gendered her, too. It's a her or it could be.

Cristina: A he, but, like, lady.

Jack: Yeah, it's.

Cristina: The thing is wearing a skirt.

Jack: It looks.

Cristina: A very long skirt.

Jack: What would you say is in between the skirt and its tor. Torso.

Cristina: Robot parts. Right.

Jack: Like springs or some.

Cristina: Yeah, or it's some kind of bug creature. Because, like, it's. Yeah, the. The torso is just.

Jack: Okay. An exoskeleton type of thing.

Cristina: Yeah. With the arms. It goes. Well, he. Or it was some type of bug.

Jack: The arms kind of get weird. Now tell me about these arms a little more.

Cristina: They're sticks. There's stick arms.

Jack: If you were to just see the arms, what would you think this is?

Cristina: A tree?

Jack: No, animal. Think animal.

Cristina: Some type of bug is really. All right.

Jack: You would think a bug.

Cristina: Yeah. I think it's related to a bug, but it's too huge.

Jack: What kind of a bug has fingers?

Cristina: I don't know. Like a stick bug thing that. It's just sticks. I don't know. I don't know. There's no animal that looks like that. Not even its hands? No.

Jack: Yes. There's a ton of them. There's an entire category that is so astoundingly large that it conquers an entire section of all life. We've ever considered lizards. Them, too, but not that way.

Cristina: Not.

Jack: No, not three. Birds. Birds.

Cristina: Birds. Bird hands. They're so thin.

Jack: Yeah. It looks like chicken hands.

Cristina: Chicken hands. Chicken hands. I don't.

Jack: Not chicken hands. We know bird hands. Just really.

Cristina: The red eyes make no sense. It has to be some. This is not Mothman. This is not Mothman. Someone just saw Mothman for real.

Jack: This is some kind of a robot, right?

Cristina: It's Mothman.

Jack: Why do you think it's Mothman?

Cristina: The eyes. Like, if you saw that night, you would think it's Mothman. There's no way. There's no way you wouldn't think this is Mothman. The giant size and the eyes. There's no way you'd think it's anything else.

Jack: It is a completely logical conclusion to make 100%. The cleanest, most logical approach would be. This has to be Mothman, right?

Cristina: Yes. I don't know what else it could be.

Jack: I thought exactly the Same thing. And it's not.

Cristina: It's not. But it's something.

Jack: It's a thing.

Cristina: It's a thing.

Jack: Allow me to walk you through.

Cristina: Is it an alien?

Jack: I guess that's for us to figure out.

Cristina: And this is somehow related to Clinton Road?

Jack: Well, it's related to everything. I wouldn't say Clinton Road in particular.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Okay.

Jack: It's bigger picture.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So the year is 1952. It's September 12th. Autumn. I guess autumn hasn't even started. When does autumn begin? It begins September 20th.

Cristina: 21St.

Jack: 21St. Oh, it's not autumn. Yeah, it's still this. The end of summer, the tail.

Cristina: It's feeling like fall.

Jack: Yeah, not really, because even the beginning of autumn still feels kind of hot. It's just really. Ultimately, the seasons break down into like. Like maybe six months of summer and six months of winter. With about three months. No, not even. Because that would be too many months.

Cristina: That would be what, six plus? Six plus.

Jack: No, it would be. What would it be? It would be 1, 2, 3, 4 months of each and then 2 months of each. Yeah, I guess that's how it would break down. It really feels so short.

Cristina: Yes, it works. Four. Four.

Jack: Yeah, four. Four, two, two. Okay, I have to move them over. I was just making randomness. I have to visualize the numbers moving over.

Cristina: Yeah, that makes sense. But like, the summer morning is still really cold. It's getting cold.

Jack: I like. Yeah, I like that feeling. The end of summer and the beginning of summer when the cold is in the morning and the heat is in the afternoon. But not excessive heat and not excessive cold. Just this kind of great intermediate area. I like that. That's the best. But also I like when it's always that consistently in spring, I guess.

Cristina: Yeah, that's the best autumn.

Jack: Autumn has a little bit colder going on. Spring has a little bit hotter going on with both of them. Perfect. Anyways, unrelated. Unrelated.

Cristina: How do we know it's not related?

Jack: I mean, it could totally be related. And so, I mean, literally, maybe it could be related because we know that the portals at different locations require the equin knocks to happen. And we don't know if heat is why or it's the alignment or it's the what is it? The hottest point of the day is the longest day. What. What do you. What factor are you looking for? So at the end of the day, like, come on. Our meters are fire, bro. We can connect any random two dots. We're skilled at this game. By now. Everything's gonna make sense. It checks Out. Yeah, could do that about any topic. Challenge us.

Cristina: Yes. Okay, tell me about this thing.

Jack: Yeah, challenge us. Look straight up if you're listening. Challenge us. Give us something. I promise it's. It fits in. I promise it's related, if it's weird or government related or anything. Give us anything. I promise you if it's weird, it's related. Or we'll make it. But 1952, September 12th, we're in Fleetwoods, which is in Braxton County, West Virginia.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: 1950S is kind of booming. You know, ladies got that weird puffy hair, that kind of curves at the end. And they got those skirts that just end perfect at their ankle and they got white socks on and that shoe.

Cristina: Is that what that thing is trying to do, is trying to look like.

Jack: One of those ladies?

Cristina: Oh, now we gotta find picture of these ladies you're talking about and compare.

Jack: That's kind of cool. That checks out a little.

Cristina: But it's too huge. Like, even if it was trying to attempt something like you're as tall as. You're as tall as the tree. What are you talking about?

Jack: Do you see how easy it is to think this thing is the Mothman, bro? How weird that it is trying to imitate people? Because that's just trying to imitate people, right? And what's the reports of the Mothman? He shows up tragedies and whatever. You know, he does this weird thing where he's kind of like reflecting people. Weird. Why? Why are you imitating people? How the is this not it? Unless this is something like it.

Cristina: Is it really? No, don't tell me yet. Just tell me what these ladies look like in that time.

Jack: Exactly what I described. And so I even lost my train of thought. So 1950s. Oh yeah, everything's booming. Ladies are looking nice, their hair is looking ridiculous, and they got. They all got little apron on top of their head. For whatever reason, TV shows it like that. Yeah, I'm sure it wasn't even happening in reality. That was just the. The, you know, the traditional woman was doing that. The common woman wasn't. And that's why the traditional woman was looking down on the common woman. Because you don't have an apron over your head, you w****. Okay, you know, so the. So that's why in. In images they had the apron. It was all lady like, I bet. Don't look it up. It's probably true.

Cristina: Doesn't sound right.

Jack: How would you. Okay, solve it. Let's solve it right here, right now. How. Why was the air apron, their hairstyle.

Cristina: Was so perfect that they didn't want to mess it up.

Jack: Oh, s***. That could totally be it too. Mad hairspray. But then you're not even showing it off. So they would only wear going to.

Cristina: Somewhere you need to cover it. And then when you're there, you take.

Jack: It out and it's just a tiny little thing you could put in your pockets.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: And your skirts were so fluffy. They probably had pockets before big pocket got to you. And try big. What is it? Big purse. No.

Cristina: They will tie it around their neck maybe.

Jack: Oh. Oh, man. You piece this all together because they do have some. That looks kind of like a scarf or some s***. No, it's not. It's not.

Cristina: It's not.

Jack: It's too thin. What they know. So they probably put it in their giant skirt pocket. Big purse hasn't destroyed pockets yet.

Cristina: You don't know. I don't know. When was that?

Jack: Around in the 1950s. You think there were purses, like, super popular. I bet.

Cristina: I bet when they came out with purses, it became super popular, like immediately. Yes. I think that was a hot thing, purses. Yeah.

Jack: And then they were like, f*** pockets. We could have so many more clothing option if we don't have to consider pockets. And. Oh, is this a typical. We're playing with fire, not thinking about the repercussions. And so we. We're not envisioning a future without pockets.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We're just envisioning, oh, why can't we have both?

Cristina: Why can't we have both pockets?

Jack: We've gone too far. Science has taken us away from pockets.

Cristina: Bring it back. Bring back the pockets.

Jack: Science is taking us away from pockets. Pockets are inefficient. Or for whatever reason science deemed women with pockets is useless. Women with pockets is useless.

Cristina: According to survival, have pockets. And then they still need to carry things. So then they have that little purse on the waist.

Jack: A man purse. Yes.

Cristina: No. Yeah.

Jack: Like, no. Yeah. What do you. F**** pack.

Cristina: F**** pack. That's the man purse. And like, you see, they have pockets and it's not enough.

Jack: So how much crap are they walking around with that they need all that.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: F**** packs, ultimately, or let's really be realistic. When you gotta carry your medicine around. You're an older man.

Cristina: I guess so. Well, you're an older person. Yes.

Jack: And when you're classy older, dude, you carry a briefcase with your meds in them.

Cristina: That makes no sense. That's mad work. Why not just get a f**** pack?

Jack: No. If you're in A suit all day.

Cristina: Get a lunchbox.

Jack: Yeah, no, some kind of small. It could look like you have a work bag. You know, a little work.

Cristina: Yes, but I have a briefcase just for medicine.

Jack: Not a little briefcase. You know, like a small work case. Suitcase, whatever.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, it looks like something you'd put a laptop in.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: And you carry that around. But really, it just goes neat with your suit. You probably have a couple of different ones that match your suit. Because you're classy, dude. You work. You're working man at the top of your super tower.

Cristina: Okay. You take mad meds because you're old.

Jack: Just. Oh, it's one of the unfortunate old people who just hear mad medication because they just eat whatever the doctors say instead of working out. Anyways, all of this somehow has to do with the 1950s.

Cristina: What does this lady have to do? Or this thing. What is this thing?

Jack: Well, it's 1950s, where this thing kind of looks like this lady we were describing for whatever reason.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But anyways, 1950s women are booming. Or people at 50s are booming, whatever. The boom in 50s. I know that's wrong, but close enough. And it's exactly 7:15pm According to Sword from people.

Cristina: So this is multiple people reporting.

Jack: Yeah, it's about to get weird, bro. Okay, so let's begin. The sighting begins with brothers Edward and Fred May and their friend Tommy. Hire report seeing an exceptionally bright, exceptionally fast moving object across the sky. They thought a meteor. Who?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. And they claim it hit a neighbor's farm belonging to G. Bailey Fisher. Neighbor. So we got Edward and we got Fred and we got Tommy. And together they see a thing go across the sky. They're like, oh, s***, skyrockes on.

Cristina: Okay, so are they gonna go onto the farm to investigate it?

Jack: Yeah, they're gonna go do that. But as they're going onto the farm to investigate it, they see that it didn't really hit. It kind of slowed down as they followed it.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Yeah. So they run back all three. Keep in mind, we already got three eyewitnesses. Nobody is dead. Nobody died. These are eyewitnesses that lived and all told exactly the same story. Now they get back.

Cristina: Back to where?

Jack: Home. Oh, and they run to actually a neighbor's house. Kathleen May, unrelated. Where they explained what had happened. He was like, what had happened was. And then she immediately didn't believe him because she said what had happened. But anyways, as he said what had happened was, we saw this weird thing go across the sky. And then it was. As we followed it to Go see the crash. It was kind of like moving. We were close to the hill. We started running because we wanted to see it go, hit the thing. And it just stopped moving kind of slowly. And we freaked out because we don't know how to explain that. And here we are telling you about it.

Cristina: That's kind of lame.

Jack: Yeah. And she was like, well, that's kind of weird. I mean, all three of you saw it and they were like, yeah, it was kind of like they're slowing down.

Cristina: So I don't get it. Why wouldn't they just. It's like an incomplete story. Why would they do that?

Jack: I know.

Cristina: You see something weird and you don't finish through what you're seeing.

Jack: Well, most horror horrifying stories end with the people who went to investigate dying.

Cristina: That's why. Then they should have said, okay, one of us has to stay while the other two run or something. Like make some weird bet with your friends to get one of you to stay at the spot.

Jack: It has to happen this way. One of you needs to keep looking at it. The other one. The other two, one is gonna keep their eye on you, who's on top of the hill.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And the others get. Yeah, the other is gonna stand in front of him. So he's gonna see two people, one looking at him and one at the hill.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Also looking at him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He's going to be looking only towards them while the guy looking at him directly in front of him is going to be guiding him, looking where they're walking.

Cristina: Okay. But the farthest guy also has to try to get someone to I guess share the news or.

Jack: Yes, they're gonna keep looking at him to make sure he doesn't just vanish or something. Because if he just. Something attacked them, they can say that happened, but eventually they gotta like turn away or something.

Cristina: Yeah. That's why the third guy is not. Doesn't have to pay too much attention because he's trying to wave at somebody or.

Jack: Yeah, they're just already in the neighborhood.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's just a matter of don't lose sight of him ever. Don't lose sight of him ever. The problem is they don't have hella history of. Of sci fi movies to build on logic. You know, if they just had a bunch of media of sci fi media.

Cristina: So you're saying there's no sci fi media in the 50s.

Jack: Not. Not the way they would need to handle this. Oh, they need some particular apathy. We're being bred now to have. Think about the apathy we're slowly building towards everything. It's because something big is coming, and they need us to not freak the f*** out. It's either the coming of Jesus is actually about to happen and most of us are f***** up, or there's some kind of crazy force headed our direction, and the strong are about to survive, and they're trying to make us all the strong. And they know most of us aren't gonna be it. But, you know, prepare as many as you can, okay? And that's. We're getting slowly watered down to just be like, hey, here's a bunch of alien stuff. It's probably alien guys. And everybody was like, cobra.

Cristina: Cool. Sorry.

Jack: Cool. Mission accomplished. You're doing it. They're doing it. But this lady is like, that's kind of weird. So I can't really do much.

Cristina: Or else you guys investigate unless we get.

Jack: Unless we really see what happened. I can't. Like, we can't run to the cops or something. That's crazy.

Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty crazy.

Jack: We got to really go. Look, man, somebody's going to run all the way to the cops and get the cop to come all the way over here.

Cristina: I mean, that is what you do, though.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: You tell the cops.

Jack: Is there even something there? Did something weird happen?

Cristina: I don't know if you truly believe that. I think you'd still call the cops.

Jack: Yes. Luckily, Kathleen is a connected woman, okay? Presumably for reasons we don't have to discuss. As a grown woman, she could do what she wants. I don't know why she's got men who could do her favors at the blink of an eye. But she asks her friend who happens to be a National guard, Eugene Lemonade.

Cristina: 11.

Jack: Yeah, okay. And she. The ridiculous name. I can't even believe this is how the story unfolded. Once I saw this, I'm like, how the. Is this not just a stupid, creepy pasta or something?

Cristina: It's not.

Jack: It's not. I'm like, man, there's real news articles about this thing.

Cristina: Okay, so tell me about Lemon. Mr. Lemon, he investigates.

Jack: So he. He's like, going up there, but everybody's like, we're gonna go check, too, you know, now we got a National Guard. We're good.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're good. He's got a gun. We're fine. Yeah, so she's going up there. I don't know why she's. I mean, bro, I'm telling you, there's something on about this lady and that guy.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Right? Like, come on. She's like, bro, you want to do me a favor and come check this out. And then she's going to check it out with him. Bro. Kathleen. What have you been up to? Kathleen. But I don't know if she was married. Nothing says she was married again. She's a single woman. As far as I know. She could do what she wants.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They couldn't investigate. So Edward and Fred May join unrelated Kathleen May in order to go to Bailey Fisher's farm.

Cristina: There's just two unrelated MAEs. Not even by cutting.

Jack: I mean we're talking the 50s, bro. We gotta populate somehow. Anyway, so. And they're accompanied by some. The neighborhood kids too. Nunley, Ronnie and you know. Yeah, just a group of kids.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: A group of kids. Tell me this isn't like the setup, the stranger Things. Well, I guess a bunch of kids, some cop like figure and the lady all going to investigate the thing. Except they're from a city.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, they're in the city.

Jack: No, this is in the middle of f****** nowhere.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Well, you just saw this s***.

Cristina: Something many things actually inspired by a lot of crap. Yeah.

Jack: This happened in the time. It's totally be pulling from this for sure. For sure. Okay. So they run, we get there. They arrive to check. Right.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The group reaches the top of the hill and as they get there where they saw the. The object sort of vanish over initially and slow down when they got closer, they. It's dark now by the way. Obviously now it's getting dark. It happened already towards. I guess. Yeah. It was 7:15, which I began with at 7:15.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: All of this happened. They ran. They saw a thing in the sky. They ran times ticking. Clocks of ticking. It was still daylight. Ish.

Cristina: Somebody to come join them.

Jack: So now. Yeah, they get all this. By the time they're getting here, it's like 8, 8 20. And now it's getting dark. So they're arriving there and it's just kind of, you know that very period of. Right. When it became night. When this is darkest point of the night because it's darker than any part of the night. What do they call that? Dusk. Right. The darkest point when it's just pure blackness for a moment. And it was that point of night when they make it to the top of the hill because you know, Chance the universe decided to write their scenario like this. It's half of it sounds like bullshit. They were just too many reports. These people started painting pictures at some point. But they f****** summarize to be like this. It's crazy. Anyways. So they get There. And the first thing that they see. Keep in mind, all eyewitnesses agreed to exactly the same descriptors for what happened that night. That's what makes this trippy. Hella different people moved into isolation and questioned by several different agencies because of the astronomically weird circumstance. All had the same story to incredible detail as decided by government agencies. Interesting. Let us continue. Okay, now, when they get to the top of the hill, all of them notice something really weird. A red glow, faint, sort of like an amorphous blob.

Cristina: Okay. And they think it's the thing that hit the ground or something.

Jack: They have no idea what this has to do with anything.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They have no idea what this has to do with anything. This isn't even where the thing landed. They got to the top of the hill and they saw this thing standing in front of the farm's fence, unrelated to the landing site of whatever that thing was, which they thought was a meteor until this very moment where now they're questioning everything they've ever seen. Because how the h*** do you just have a glowing red aura thing?

Cristina: This is the thing that we see in the picture that they're looking at now. Or.

Jack: No, this is what they claimed. Ultimately the summary of all their descriptions. What? Yeah, this is basically what they saw. So they see this glowing thing and Eugene, the National Guard guy, who's got the flashlight, so he's cool, he's got a flashlight and a gun, is basically Leon Kennedy at this point. And he, he's Hopper, you know, he goes and he flashes the light at the red aura. And when he does the one thing he sees, because nothing else comes back, like blackness, blackness, nothing there. The only thing that makes it through the dark is the red eyes. The aura disappears and we just see red eyes.

Cristina: I guess that, but okay, right now.

Jack: That was disturbing to everybody. So everybody. Oh my God. Yeah, everybody saw the same thing. And they were like, you know, freaked out for a second. Holy. What the f***? Right now descriptions, as soon as he panicked and moved, the light being moved allowed the silhouette of the thing to come into view.

Cristina: Does it look like its head is on fire? Like what's happening?

Jack: So their descriptions go as, follow, standing in front of the fence. Now also, also, I guess we have to describe exactly what happened before I give you the description. They walk to the top of the hill, they see it shine, the thing, the eyes become clear. And when he shifted and got scared, the light came off, revealing the things body. And almost like if it wasn't looking at him, suddenly the Eyes disappear and then they come from the side again. Like his head was somewhere else the whole time and turn to look at him. Trippy. I'll repeat how confusing that is. It was looking. It's like if I'm looking at you right now, my eyes. My whole face is looking forward. And then somehow this image of me looking like this fuzzes up and you.

Cristina: Can'T tell that I'm. That you're looking at me, that I'm.

Jack: Looking at the side. And then I'm suddenly just coming around and looking at you.

Cristina: Oh, weird.

Jack: Yeah. So it looks like I'm looking at you right now. And then my head phases out almost. You can't even tell. It just looks like I get blurry. And then you only notice that it's not me looking at you when I'm starting to turn to look at you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That happened. And everybody saw it.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Weird. That was confusing. I don't even know how else to point that. I've never heard that description ever. Weird. But they all had that same kind of like, what the f***? We thought it was looking our way and then as a sudden, now it's looking our way and.

Cristina: But it looked. The face looked the same both ways.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Of. It's not looking.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And looking or whatever.

Jack: Strange.

Cristina: Very strange.

Jack: It's an owl, bro. Again, perfect thought.

Cristina: But how tall is it?

Jack: There we go. It was about 10ft tall.

Cristina: That's ridiculous.

Jack: That's ridiculous. That is where they initially got startled. The height of those eyes. Well, had them shook, like, oh, f***. What the h*** is that? And then the thing looking their way.

Cristina: And then what just disappears like. Well, where they freak out and run away.

Jack: Well, they say it looked like some sort of shadowy figure, silhouette of some sort. It appeared to have the glowing visible aura outlining it. That was red. A red aura outlining it faintly. The large glowing crimson eyes. And it seemed to have a tail. They all thought they saw some sort of a tail or something.

Cristina: Any type of description on the tail?

Jack: No, they were. They just claimed tail. I actually wanted to know what kind of like, was it fuzzy or was it this?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The closest thing to a descriptor felt like thin. But it was like the. No, no hair details, no nothing. They were unclear on the size and everything. They were just like. They think it had a tail.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Its shape seemed to be vaguely triangular too. They seem to be point here towards the top and wider towards the bottom, which fits your description of having a skirt. Now here's an interesting thing in describing that triangular Shape. A couple of people said something that I found interesting and fits instantly, which is that it looks like it has a robe.

Cristina: It has a robe pointier towards the top.

Jack: Like a cloak type thing that's on.

Cristina: Top of the head looks or the image, not that that's the actual description. It doesn't look like the thing on its head is actually there. Like that's part of the glow, the aura of this thing.

Jack: Fascinating. Yeah. I think everybody agrees with you. I don't think that the fuzz that's around it is it by any means. It's part of it. I think its head does have some sort of a small hood on it.

Cristina: It has a small hood?

Jack: No. I would say that underneath the dark, its outfit would claim that there's a hood because it looks like the rest of it is a robe.

Cristina: And what's happening to its ribs, though? They describe that better.

Jack: Well, let's look at this again, because I'm thinking you're claiming this outside, this is what you're talking about, right?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: I don't think that's part of it. I think this outfit that it has looks like some sort of a robe. And maybe this is an exaggeration. And in fact, more like the chair, what it had was some sort of a belt wrapped around it, which is typical of, you know, monks and of, you know, Jesus, like people and of Hermes and things like that, that they get robed up and they tie at the waist.

Cristina: Well, what about the ribs?

Jack: Well, this is what I'm saying. I'm saying that. Yes. I'm saying there's. If anything, if we were to say that this is to look like something familiar. Oh, that would be the belt.

Cristina: Okay. You know, he's in their description, though. They don't say anything about that.

Jack: They don't focus on it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's just a focus point. Not a focus point. It's a point in the outfit that it has or its body shape that was vaguely highlighted but isn't focused on like the rest. So it's, you know, debatable whether it was part of it or not.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because keep in mind, we have a lot of witnesses. So no variations are included in here, only similarities. Although the images show details from variations. As you saw, the chair has a belt and the creature over here has, like, rails or something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But as you're looking, they panic. Tall, giant turns at them after it was looking at them. Weird moment. It's huge, 10ft tall. Looks kind of like it has a skirt or like it has A robe. It has a glowing aura around it and they all notice the same glowing eyes. And another weird detail.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Its weird claw like hands. And its weird claw like hands were like in front of him. He was reaching out for something weird.

Cristina: That is weird.

Jack: Yeah, but it wasn't reaching out towards them, only its head was.

Cristina: When it turned its head was doing what?

Jack: Its head looked at them. Its body.

Cristina: Oh, weird. Okay.

Jack: Very strange. Its behaviors were odd. Now, when Eugene tried to get closer. This is a key detail right here. It vanished into thin air as Eugene described it. Like a cloud. He became less there the closer we got. Weird and familiar.

Cristina: Like from what?

Jack: So much of the crap in Clinton Road.

Cristina: How close was he to it when they first saw it?

Jack: Do you know how close was he to what?

Cristina: The thing. Oh, because he wasn't close to it at all. When he got closer, it disappeared.

Jack: Yes. So the top of the hill to the front was about 100ft apart to the front of the fence where this thing was.

Cristina: Yes. But he got closer then as he.

Jack: Got closer, how close was he by the time it disappeared? Yeah, I have an idea.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So he just got closer and it disappeared.

Jack: Yeah, it was. The distance was anywhere between 150. Between 50 and 100ft.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And as it got close, as they got closer, it just sort of wasn't there anymore.

Cristina: But they don't think of him or this thing as the Mothman.

Jack: They don't think of it as a Mothman.

Cristina: Okay. Because like the whole. It was flying in the sky beforehand. And then I don't know, there's a lot of weird stuff. That's. Okay.

Jack: Mothman adjacent.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, do they think it is.

Jack: So I don't know. They don't have. They just call it literally Braxton county monster.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: And they have no idea what it is. But this thing has very gin like characteristics minus some things here or there. And it's a particularly huge creature. I don't think we've seen gin this size at all. Jin tend to be more human. Like maybe the size of Elysians, which are just taller.

Cristina: Yeah, it's size made me think like it was some type of like Indian God type thing. Like those things are huge, aren't they?

Jack: Or they're description Greek gods or some s***, Right? Yeah, one of those tall Adonis kind of guys, you know. But no, that's kind of weird, the fact that everybody saw all of this. Now the next day, Lee Stewart Jr. Of the Braxton Democrats, which is a news reporter, that's the name of the paper that he works for. Whatever went to investigate and he discovered skid marks on the property of something actually making impact.

Cristina: Okay, weird. That's weird.

Jack: Very strange.

Cristina: You got pictures of that?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Okay, that's curious.

Jack: And after further investigating with some special friends of his, he came up and found there was a gummy clay like substance that was located where the skid marks were. Some weird residue.

Cristina: What did he do with that residue?

Jack: Nothing. He looked at it and was like residue? Yeah, I'm sure they collected it. What were they gonna do with it?

Cristina: I don't know. Take it to the lab, See if it's human?

Jack: Yeah, probably. They did all that, See if it's.

Cristina: Human or it's alien? I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, I guess if it's alien or. I was guessing, like, what kind of metal it was or something. But.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, I guess. Yeah, I guess he wouldn't think. I'm still thinking, like, it's a ship or something. It could be because, like, it landed and this thing came out of it.

Cristina: Oh, well, wouldn't they have seen the thing that landed?

Jack: Yeah, they saw it literally stop and hover.

Cristina: Well, was it that. That they were looking at? Because they never. This said, really a description of the.

Jack: Thing, that's another problem. It flew by quick. It was just a giant bright light in the sky moving that thing, though.

Cristina: That thing is so big. It might have been that thing, like with its head pointy, like it looks like a rocket. It looks like.

Jack: But then what was this cloud? You think when this thing flies, it leaves a trail of fire.

Cristina: It's glowing. It has a glowing aura.

Jack: But the glowing aura they see, you know what it's kind of making. Maybe when it's flying, it's bigger and more luminescent.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting, Interesting. I'm over here thinking, no, those are two unrelated things.

Cristina: It could totally be the same thing.

Jack: It could totally be the same thing, but also it could totally be two unrelated thing. Or not unrelated, but, you know, it could be that this thing came in.

Cristina: A thing, but they found nothing.

Jack: They saw nothing. They got close, it disappeared. They investigated the back of the farm.

Cristina: They didn't see nothing fly away.

Jack: They saw nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. It just wasn't there.

Cristina: That's weird. It's weird that they would say, see it come, but not see it go.

Jack: Yes, there's a lot of weird.

Cristina: It's a lot of weird. Yeah. I don't know. I don't buy their story.

Jack: Weird, right?

Cristina: Yeah, it's too weird.

Jack: Strange story now because of the news reports this kind of got picked up heavily and it got a couple of agencies worried about maybe there is something going on.

Cristina: But did anyone unrelated to this specific group of people see it?

Jack: No.

Cristina: No.

Jack: But this group of people was made up of random people to begin with.

Cristina: But they were still a group of people.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Made of random. Anybody who witnessed it would have been a group of people at that point.

Cristina: Whatever. I would like to hear about a person who was not in the group that saw it.

Jack: Oh, no. I don't know. It was just like.

Cristina: Maybe the guy that owns the farm was looking in his backyard and he saw it or something. Where's that guy?

Jack: I don't even know. That's an interesting question. I don't know where the guy is, but, yeah, they were going to the backyard. They saw nothing. I don't know. It was just weird.

Cristina: And it left. So, like, it didn't leave or it.

Jack: Didn'T leave, so it just wasn't there suddenly as they got closer, which doesn't.

Cristina: Make sense because it got there.

Jack: Like, we don't know it got there. We don't know if these two things are related. Again, because we see something vanish the way it did. It didn't need to arrive the way something did.

Cristina: Yeah. Two unrelated things happened. You're saying two very strange unrelated things happened? I don't know. It's even harder to imagine that these.

Jack: Two things are unrelated until you remember what we've been looking at. Locations that have many weird things happening.

Cristina: Are you saying this location has more than just these two things happening?

Jack: Well, I'm saying that we've found the thing in which there are other things happening.

Cristina: No, I don't buy. Unless there's many things. Is there many more stories of this location or is these two the same? This one story that has two things in it? The story.

Jack: This is the story. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. I don't know if. I don't think it's really. I don't know. It seems pretty random.

Jack: Yeah. I don't know. What the thing in the sky. I don't think the thing in the sky and this other thing have anything to do with each other.

Cristina: How could they not?

Jack: They're two weird things. I don't know what to tell you, man. It disappeared in a way we know with and is familiar. But something arrived in a way we do not know and is not familiar. Unless some. Unless it was just happened to be that a fight between a freaking Elysian and a Shadow Realm creature took place there, and we Saw the Elysian arrive to the fight, and we saw the Djinn leaving it. We know who the victor was, but, you know, like, that's the only real scenario in which, like. I don't know. I don't know what to tell you, but we were clearly looking at some Shadow realm creature, and something else showed up. Maybe it was actually a meteor. That seems very likely.

Cristina: But it was slowing down, so it does not sound.

Jack: No, you're right. It's slowing down is kind of weird.

Cristina: And it was also glowing.

Jack: It was also. Well, it looked like it was on fire.

Cristina: It was. Whatever.

Jack: It was bright. It was blindingly bright.

Cristina: If you saw this thing with the aura in the sky, it probably looks.

Jack: Like it was not blindingly bright. The aura was faint. It was faintly outlined while the thing in the sky was lighting up. The sky made it look like.

Cristina: They don't have any guesses of what the two things are.

Jack: The thing in the sky was seen.

Cristina: By everybody, by the way, in the town.

Jack: Yes. Multiple people saw the light in the sky move across the sky.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The rest of the story now. But people did see that. And the logical conclusion is, I was probably just a meteor.

Cristina: But the. What they saw was in a meteor.

Jack: Exactly. Because the kids that followed it have a completely. A more complete story of events.

Cristina: Yeah. I mean, we don't know if the two things are the same, though. But we know the first thing is a meteor because it was just being weird. It was just hovering or slowing down or something.

Jack: It was being very strange.

Cristina: Do they know how big it looked, though? How big it looked when it was in the sky?

Jack: I don't know. How do you. How do you even know how close it was?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: You know, it's tricky. You see the problem, though, right? How do we have these two very unrelated events happening simultaneously? They must somehow be related, but not in the way. Not in an obvious sense.

Cristina: They obviously don't have any answers. Okay.

Jack: They obviously don't have any answers in.

Cristina: The investigation whether they discover anything else.

Jack: No, they interrogated the people. They found out that the stories lined up up until the points I've discussed. Those are the things that they all had in common, minus the details that didn't, which you've seen some of them in the images, and there was some of the movement behaviors that they would describe. But other than that, like, useless details, I've thrown away.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They didn't know what else. They really got attention. People came in, like, really, like, what the f*** is wrong? These people are making it up and they checked children to make sure. No, it's checked out.

Cristina: Okay. And that chair, who did that? Just a fan.

Jack: Yeah. So based on the descriptions, many, many, many, many iterations of this have been made. And the description of this has actually always been with NASA as a thing to look for. And I didn't know that. They have a list of random things that can't be explained, that in many instances have many witnesses that they look for in sky.

Cristina: Weird. Yeah, but what are they supposed to look for?

Jack: No, just random bright things. Something moving quickly close by that's just bright things like that.

Cristina: Just, you know, interesting.

Jack: So this is something to casually look for.

Cristina: Yeah. We don't know what this is.

Jack: We don't know what this is. Now, obviously, Mothman. You said it a thousand times. Yes, Mothman. Mothman, Mothman. And the Mothman is a definite possibility for what this could be. But I would argue it's something to be more kind of like Mothman if. How do I put it?

Cristina: If something bad happened afterwards.

Jack: No, the idea would be that Mothman is a type of thing. Actually, Mothman is related to somehow to Banshee, right?

Cristina: Oh, yeah, right.

Jack: But Banshee's always been described as a female.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Boom.

Cristina: So this could be a banshee.

Jack: Male banshee. Well, actually, searching this up, putting these descriptors plugging in everything these people talked about, Banshee is the most consistent thing that came up.

Cristina: Weird. Even though I didn't cry or anything.

Jack: Nope. But the descriptors line up clean. It's behavior, but it isn't. Yeah. The one part is that it's not showing up for omens.

Cristina: No one died recently.

Jack: No one died.

Cristina: Not even on the farm animals.

Jack: This was just a really weird indescript moment. Weird, strange, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But a banshee is definitely not it. We know what a banshee is, but there is something called a Kali, a kalaiich, a kaleech, something like that. And it's Celtic in origin, or at least where they first cataloged its existence. Recorded it. Right.

Cristina: What is it?

Jack: It's some sort of a creature that is humanoid in appearance and tends to look like an old lady, sometimes like a banshee, and often shows up in the winter, but has in other cases been shown up, has shown themselves during really vicious storms. Wandering outside in the wilderness, when animals are stampeding across like they're losing control, that's when you'll see this thing in between almost not getting touched.

Cristina: But nothing of that is happening. None of that's Happening.

Jack: None of that's happening. No, but interesting thing about this creature I'm talking about. It would seem to show up when fear is happening. Right. Storms, wilderness, when there's creatures that are unsettled. The winter when it's darker and colder. Interesting choices of appearance, huh?

Cristina: For that thing, yes.

Jack: For this random creature. Now where this creature seems to line up the most is the fact that its physical description is very similar, although its movements are not and its size is not. So that part of the description though. But it looks like it's wearing a hood. It looks like it's wearing a robe that opens into some sort of mid sized skirt type of thing. It looks like it has an aura around it. But it happens to be about five feet tall.

Cristina: Okay, that's not tall enough.

Jack: No, but the Mothman would also be in between both of those heights.

Cristina: How tall is the Mothman?

Jack: The Mothman would roughly be about 7ft.

Cristina: He's not tall enough either.

Jack: No, this thing is about 10ft. I'm thinking different heights for the same kinds of things. These things that have a tendency to only manifest and enjoy manifesting, not even breeding their own, but just rolling up when it's about to happen naturally.

Cristina: But this thing, I don't. So you're saying they got scared of the comet thing and then that created the fear that summoned this creature, this thing.

Jack: Now you're getting it. I think the paranoia of what was it? But something was there because it slowed down.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So there was something happening. The kids were confidently just going to go watch it land and hit set or blow up in the sky or something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then they were like, what the f***?

Cristina: No, Something weird.

Jack: Yeah, they were just kids. They've probably seen this a thousand times. They're like, oh, it's media, let's go check it out. And then it stopped being a meteor before their eyes. And we're like, no, let's stop checking it out right now.

Cristina: I wish they checked it out. I want to know if it was the creature or are there two things happening? I wanna know why? Why didn't they have something?

Jack: Because people have reason why.

Cristina: Why do they?

Jack: Yeah, but I, you know, I was going down the list of possibilities of.

Cristina: Things that they were besides the Mothman.

Jack: Yeah. It definitely wasn't Jinn. It definitely wasn't a Banshee. The problem is that I do believe it's a Kalaich or whatever the crap that is, and I do believe it's a Mothman. I think it's all of the above. But what would These things be a shadow realm creature. Definitely. A hundred percent. They all fit that description for sure.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But now let's check out the Mothman then. Right, because if you look at the Mothman, he first showed up in 1966. That's mad. Years later. That's 14 years later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Except it also happened in West Virginia.

Cristina: Really? Really.

Jack: It only happened two hours away.

Cristina: What? So it could be the same thing, but the size difference. Maybe it's baby.

Jack: Now, it's described as large, 7 to 8ft tall, winged, with red eyes, and humanoid in appearance. Now, Mothman is messed up because the Mothman is crazy. Right. He has been seen by over 200 people. There's over 200 real world reports on this same thing.

Cristina: Yes. Which makes him way more believable than this other random thing.

Jack: Except he's the same thing. Yes, but he always showed. Showed up. Always. In every instance, before and after something bad happened. He seems to be the. The closest thing to a Banshee possible. Right. Before and after something. Well, the Banshee only shows up before. The fact that he shows up after is crazy. Also, the fact that he shows up before is crazy. Also, the fact that a Banshee shows up before is crazy. Weird fact that Shadow Wyrm creatures know somehow.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They can see the future somehow. Or feel it.

Cristina: Maybe they feel it. Maybe they have some sixth sense to.

Jack: Fear hect the future. Yeah, because they know to go, like sometimes months ahead.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like weird. But again, this Mothman creature does this and he shows up and he's associated with the Silver Bridge collapse, which is the craziest scenario. And many people saw. This is where he was seen by the most people. And then the bridge collapsed and hella people died. Over 200 eyewitnesses. How absurd.

Cristina: And then after that bridge, they stopped seeing him.

Jack: They stopped seeing him after the collapse of the bridge? Well, no, he's been seen on and off. That was just the most massive sighting. Okay, now the idea here would be that whatever this creature is, is a Mothman. But a Mothman doesn't make sense because that creature was described as them by female. They are genders to it. A banshee is also female. Now, we're describing these things in isolation, but the behavior seems to be on point. They're very close in similarity, and they're very close in sort of what they do. They show up before. They never seem to be involved in what's happening.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And they seem to kind of enjoy being there mostly beforehand, minus the Mothman, who shows up after it's also the only male version of this we've seen that happens to show up after as well. Although none of them seem to remain during the tragedy that's occurring.

Cristina: Well, what tragedy would have been the one for this one if this was somehow related?

Jack: For what? The.

Cristina: I don't know. It's got the monster.

Jack: The monster. You know what's interesting? I only thought about this connection right now, but the logical conclusion would have been to see if a tragedy happened in the area.

Cristina: Mm. You know, you did not do that, though, did you?

Jack: I did not, but we have the power of research.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: Maybe it's totally related.

Cristina: They all died.

Jack: They didn't all die. Had nothing to do with them. But about 40 minutes away, there was a. The local hospital that people use from that area, which. God, bro, how far? 40 minutes away to the. You at least have a clinic or some, right? Well, that's crazy. You at least have a clinic or something, bro. That's crazy. I've never heard of some like that Anyways. D***, bro. D***. How many? I guess one hospital would be enough if there's nobody between here and West Bubba, right?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: Like, one hospital is probably still empty.

Cristina: So what happened though, anyways?

Jack: Yeah, at that hospital. Fire kills 17 people in the hospital.

Cristina: In the same day?

Jack: Or just this happened around the same time following month.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: So, yeah, maybe, I don't know, just random other events. Random thing goes through the sky, random unrelated things shows up, and then a random other thing.

Cristina: Mothman.

Jack: Why Mothman? Specifically, the Mothman is a type of thing.

Cristina: The eyes, I think, is what makes it feel Mothman.

Jack: Right, but what is the Mothman? There's no such thing as a Mothman. A moth is just an Earth side creature.

Cristina: Whatever this is. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, it's some. It should have a name.

Cristina: That's the name we gave it.

Jack: No, that's a name for a thing that's unrelated to the other two things that are in isolation, their own things.

Cristina: I cannot. Can't just call them all Mossman because they're not. Why? What do we do call them?

Jack: I don't know. We need a name for them. I'm sure we can find a name somewhere, put that they all kind of genuinely fit. But it is some sort of Shadowrum creature.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's not an animal like a Win Dingo or wetchudge.

Cristina: It's just a thing that knows when it's about to happen.

Jack: It's. There seem to be several different types of humanoid creatures, and there seem to be different types of humanoid creatures in Elfame as well. In fact, every thing that humans have ever interacted with from that side, other than unicorns, which seem to not even be from that side.

Cristina: Yeah, humanoid.

Jack: Yeah, they're all high intelligence. But I would argue that it looks like the Shadow Realm has the most. Without counting that. Like us versus Shadow Realm. But we also have a bunch of crap that we're just. The problem is we are oppressive as f***.

Cristina: I don't know. We're probably equal to the. Well, we are in the Shadow Realm where it's shadow. Where is the Shadow Realm? Shadow. So I don't know.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Look like them. They don't look like us.

Jack: We look like them. They don't. I mean. Yeah, they've been around longer, right?

Cristina: Yeah, he made us out of that.

Jack: Yeah. No, it seems that there is some now. Okay. There's originally a creature called a strix that was first written about in Greek mythology. And they described it as a bird of ill omen, often depicted as an owl or a bat like creature.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The next part is incredibly informative. And it feeds on human flesh and fear. Blood. Oh, interesting.

Cristina: Shadow Realm creature.

Jack: It stopped being one the moment I told you. What I told you.

Cristina: Blood.

Jack: The blood. It is a Shadow Realm creature, but it wasn't always a Shadow Realm creature. I think we have just found what the f*** an owl looks like when it consumes adrenochrome.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And I think all these other. Keep in mind the descriptors line up and they are always giant, like weird, tall standing.

Cristina: But we never catch it feeding though.

Jack: We never catch it feeding. But we do know that owls are particularly vicious hunters.

Cristina: You think if they are bodies, they're just. They're just gone. Whatever the bodies are.

Jack: I don't know. But also like it could. Again, this is just a descriptor that the Greek have, right. Of a creature that lines up. It's a bird that shows up during bad omens. But what happens? We know that different creatures take adrenochrome. Their intelligence rises dramatically. I mean some of them, some of them don't, but. Interesting. So then what would happen with an owl? This. The fact that this thing gets so humanoid, so astoundingly humanoid. But many different bird like things are not different. They're all the same. The size is really the variation here.

Cristina: I think the arms relate to birds and that's why you said before with the arms.

Jack: A lot of people tried to debunk this and a lot of the conclusions. The problem is that One person's explanation would be broken by the other. But collectively you could kind of solve.

Cristina: Here and there, someone said birds.

Jack: Somebody thought maybe there was a bird actually standing there that got caught in trees and had crap hanging off of it. And the hands were actually just holding on to the fence.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And so what you're seeing, and it's a tall fence, so this, it's a fence to stop animals, horses from leaping over it and s***. So you got this tall a** fence and then you got a bird perch on top of it. And they're saying that now again, warped, obviously. How the h*** is this tiny little bird gonna have these giant arms sticking in front of it? But, you know, as people trying to figure out. Yeah, like, hey, what's the logical conclusion to this? Or whatever. It never got summed up. And that's why real forces came in, interrogated people and like, well, crap, maybe there is something. But the closest I could find to a name is strix.

Cristina: That's cool.

Jack: And a strix is essentially the Greek breaking down what sounds like an owl that had a drink.

Cristina: Yeah, Yeah, I think this makes sense. That could be what we're looking at in the real world.

Jack: Definitely be what we're looking at. And again, how it behaved was very owl, but only the one in the farm. Because maybe the lady leans more towards a banshee.

Cristina: What lady?

Jack: I mean, not the lady. What am I talking about?

Cristina: The Mothman.

Jack: The Mothman. Maybe the Mothman leads more towards a banshee, a male banshee. And the kiliage is more like, why.

Cristina: Do you think the Mothman is the male banshee?

Jack: Its behavior is identical.

Cristina: Yeah, like, why are you making it a male?

Jack: I guess you're making it a Mothman.

Cristina: Yes, exactly. But like, that's a dumb name. That's describing something. But like, is it a man? Can people tell that it's a man? Like, it could definitely just be a female. Yeah, it could just be a banshee.

Jack: The banshee has been described as a female. It's not an animal. Banshee. Yeah, it's a lady. It's a lady. It's always a lady. There's always something off about her. But like, physically there's something that they can't quite like. I would argue those descriptions lean into an imitation that isn't perfect, but you can't tell where it's not perfect.

Cristina: Okay. But for a Mothman, there's no way you can think it might be a lady. It's for sure a man that they're.

Jack: Looking at if the mothman has been described as having broaden shoulders. But that could still be a female. Anyways, this is pretty much all I've got.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think the thing that happened at the farm was we were looking at shadow room creatures. A Shadow Realm creature. I have no. I. I think it was a meteor and a shadow room creature. And maybe the owl happened to intersect and you see both happening simultaneously. The fear that they felt or excitement. I don't know. It was excitement.

Cristina: Meteor is too weird to think that that was an actual.

Jack: I know something weird did happen, but I didn't. I looked. I couldn't find anything. It kind of just looks like it was a meteor. Until they're just. Maybe they were met their minds mess with them. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. That there was a tragedy did happen eventually.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I don't know. It's weird.

Cristina: Maybe the thing made it see things. Made them see things. Maybe they. It was around.

Jack: It's a Pokemon. It's not that. Well, it's using psychic on them.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. And that's why. That explains the head turning. But it's not turning.

Jack: Because that is interesting. It's causing illusions.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It made them see the thing in the sky and follow the thing in the sky. Which brought the curiosity. Oh. Luring them to get. Maybe it was trying to feed.

Cristina: Maybe it was.

Jack: Oh, maybe they just saved themselves by actually getting that National Guard. Making it too bright. And that was like. No. Because the fear left. Light came. Fear left. They were confident suddenly.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: You know. That they were willing to walk forward onto it. The light made them safe. Which explains why light has always been the. If you can see, it's not the unknown. Right. And sort of like you feel better if you can see.

Cristina: It might be saving these people.

Jack: Light literally saves from the Shadow Realm creatures. I've never thought about how logical that is and why we would call them Shadow Realm creatures then. Because if there's more light, there's less fear. Because you understand your surroundings better.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's natural fear when you don't know your surroundings.

Cristina: And that's why all those Clinton stories. Yeah.

Jack: Because you don't know your surroundings. Duh. Night is the most obvious time for anything from the shadow realm to get through. Because fear just kind of goes up the more the unknown comes up.

Cristina: Perfect.

Jack: Duh. Oh man. It was so obvious.

Cristina: Very.

Jack: Hermes always knew. He's like. It's always been in front of you. You just gotta think about it, right, bro?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we're like, so slow. We're so behind. We try so much. We're so behind. But little by little, every new location, we learn a little something new.

Cristina: I think we did. I don't know what it was, but we learned something.

Jack: We learned that light actually stops problems to some degree.

Cristina: It helps.

Jack: It helps against shadow creatures because it illuminates.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And thus we probably nickname them in return, the shadow creatures.

Cristina: It makes perfect sense.

Jack: Anyways, that's all we have. If you guys have anything to talk about, to tell us, any information you know about anything we discuss, let us know. But also challenge us to relate. Anything. Yes, challenge us. I dare you. And you can do that at our socials, at just Convopod. That's on Tick Tock, on Instagram, on Facebook, on X, everywhere.

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Jack: Yes. And word of mouth is the most overpowered thing that's ever existed. So be sure to tell people about the show.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

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July 20, 2024

Rambling 282: Clinton Road: The Menu Part 3: Significance

July 20, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Is there any starting point for researching this Forest surrounding Clinton Road? What could be the most pressing amongst the sea of oddities? What can be found on the other end? The duo unpack the last of the reports from Clinton Road. This time, the clearly important bits are discussed.

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Topics Discussed:

Druid Activity
Disappearances
Satanic Panic
UFO Sightings
Mysterious Lights
Floating Orbs
Cross Castle
Mutilated Animals
Haunted Mines
Gnome Sightings
Invisible Barriers
Creepy Carvings

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+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where you and I ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideals. Yeah, no, that's legit, bruh. But okay, so recap, recap. Last time on Dragon Ball Z, for anybody who wasn't paying attention, Clinton Road for the hundredth billionth time, many years later, except now we have a lot of information to relook at it with. And so we've broken up the excess of things we have discovered. And we have separated into three categories, of which we discussed two already. Ones are echoes. Any long term listener understands an echo is a type of ghost that doesn't interact with anything. It's just literally a repeating something that isn't there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then phantoms on the shadow episode, probably shadow people, which is probably shadow people or other things that are just aware and they're physically and are aware of you and try to interact or can react. Those are not echoes. They're not just there not being responsive. They are there explicitly being responsive.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then today. Well, to clarify, in the echoes episode, we had some little details that the point of that was we were basically going down all the major events that happened in Clinton Road, breaking them up into these three categories. And with the echoes episode, it was to completely remove what we know isn't doing anything. But the point of discussing that to begin with was maybe something sticks out and is relevant. Which we have found a couple of things that we should look into. Because of the nature of those things, particularly intense distortions, directions, we could be looking at, whether it be a different realm or into the future to see how we can possibly determine something's happening. These kinds of details you've acquired. The phantoms episode was a sin. Well, the shadow episode is the same idea where we're trying to unpack phantoms. Phantoms are what we call the creatures that do interact, but we normally call ghosts. We've created a distinction. The phantoms are the type of ghosts that can interact, and they're usually just things in the shadow realm that you're interacting with.

Cristina: Yes. And they're spooky.

Jack: Yeah. A lot of them can be definitely.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Some of them are trolls. A pickup truck was definitely a troll.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Today's episode is the last part of our branch as we go through the Clinton Road menu.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And this is a collection of all the things That I know factually as we go down. Each one of these points is important. Without a doubt.

Cristina: It's all important.

Jack: It's all important. These are the things that all the. The other two sections were composed of things that, I don't know, could or could not be.

Cristina: But these relate to what we're trying to figure out.

Jack: This has ghosts, this has phantoms, this has tech. It's again, everything relevant that was factually relevant.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That wasn't in the other two lists. The other two list was just composed of those respective subjects, but that was unclear.

Cristina: May or may not be important.

Jack: Yeah, these are definitely important. And have things that should be on those two lists if they weren't obvious.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Every thing here matters now. Okay. The problem is that there was no way to order this more efficiently because of how important everything on this list is. So it's not like I can escalate gradually.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So I'm just gonna go for the number one thing here because it's the easiest for us to just kind of get into the groove and start to unpack this. But it is quite commonly stated and believed that human creatures. Human people. Not creatures. People. People. Humans. Humans.

Cristina: Humans. Okay.

Jack: Also wander these woods around Clinton Road. We know this.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I personally saw an individual doing something weird. Doing something weird. There was a town, like, adrift in this location where nothing else can get to. There are people now. Where it gets weird is the dialogue people have used to describe the people they have seen.

Cristina: These aren't normal people or they're not. They're. It's obvious that they're doing something sketchy.

Jack: There you go. Yeah. It's more about what they're doing, not who they are.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: So the stories are of cloaked figures, which we know. I personally saw a dude. And they're said to have been seen or glimpsed performing rituals of all sorts in the woods. And the word most commonly used to describe these individuals by people who are informed scholars who search for what people are talking about. Oh, it's spooky and blah, blah, blah. No, it's probably just this. The this they use is Druids. They believe they are Druid activity. Let's simplify. Druid people who work with occult things. Let's specify occult things in the context we're very familiar with. We're in a high energy displacement space time, problematic area. And people have seen cloaked individuals performing things that they would describe as magic if it wasn't technology.

Cristina: Yes. Crazy.

Jack: There was probably a necromancer there at some Point.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: That would fit what a druid is.

Cristina: Yeah. A necromancer.

Jack: There could have been.

Cristina: Which I guess, like St. Patrick. He would probably be described as a druid.

Jack: He would be described as a druid. Correct.

Cristina: Yes. Because what we know is they're in hoods. They usually have some kind of staff.

Jack: With a stone either in the staff or in a necklace.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's definitely a dialogue they're using with intention. And again, the fact that they use this word to describe it kind of reframes immediately the guy I saw instantaneously. You're not a KKK member, dude. You black? You're black. Black. So you're some other s***. But now let's take a step back. We use the word druid. Druid in this context means a magical individual. All the magical individuals we've known. I'm about to ask you to say something I haven't said myself yet. So put your thinking cap on. Where are they from? This is not a difficult question. Where are the people we have talked about doing magic from? Not which country. Which region?

Cristina: Which region?

Jack: Easy.

Cristina: I don't know. It's not a country.

Jack: Not a country.

Cristina: Not a country. The sea people. No. What region?

Jack: Where is Iran? Where is the Middle East? The Middle East.

Cristina: They're doing magic.

Jack: Oh, God. Okay, I got a. Let me grab your hand and walk you through it. The Middle east is the only mention we've seen of every single necromancer, every single magic activity has ever happened that began with somebody wearing a hood. It happened in the Middle East. We have no outside source that ever had a necromancer, ever had somebody who fit these descriptions anywhere else. It's always been in the Middle East.

Cristina: What about Sansa? He's in the North Pole. And the guy, Merlin? He's not in the Middle East.

Jack: They're not wearing hoods. I used these words so specifically. Guys doing magic wearing hoods is literally what I just said. Those individuals have only. We've only found mentions of them in the Middle East. Now another question I have not explicitly said, but is the obvious answer to this. They are in the Middle East. What is their skin color? Not a hard question.

Cristina: They're brown.

Jack: Darker than brown. Oh, they're very bronze.

Cristina: Is this important?

Jack: The guy in the woods that's wearing a hood is dark. I don't. How are you not connecting these dots, bro? Okay, I'm gonna stop trying to get you guessing.

Cristina: Are they saying the same thing, though, in their description?

Jack: No, I'm telling you what I personally Saw.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're saying there's druids in the woods and he's wearing. They're wearing, you know, they got cloaks and they're doing the things that, you know, necromancers fit. And then I saw a dude wearing a robe and it so happened to be a D skinned dude.

Cristina: Yes, dude.

Jack: The dots are connecting. But no, no worries. I'm gonna just connect all the dots and I'm gonna just flat out explain that.

Cristina: Like, did they describe it like that too?

Jack: No, I would have said that. But the point is I'm making the connection that there's a dude with robe.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: In the place where they're saying there's people with robes doing things and we see him with a machete. Then we get to a animal sacrifice. Like, all the parts are just lining up.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: No explanation required, but I will continue to just explain it instead of asking. But the point being that's definitely fitting the suit. Dark skinned dude in a robe definitely did something sketchy with an animal.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And he's walking away from it. That's what I see. But that just fits them. Talking about rituals being performed in the woods by druids.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: That's weird. Now I wouldn't have put those things. I was thinking KKK. That's. At the entire time, since 15 years ago when it happened, I've only thought, yeah, it's okay. But it doesn't make sense to have that thought because this guy is dark also.

Cristina: What does it do you have to do with a kkk?

Jack: Yeah, like, well, the area is drowning with them. That's a very, very KKK present area. But why would he be a member? Unless he's a troll who's using it to, like, disappear into. But he was visibly just walking around. You could see his arms. You can see, you know, and it's like, okay, it has a KKK vibe, but I can see your face. So it's not a hood that's literally covering your face. The assumption was, you know, he has it lifted and, like resting on his head. But maybe it's just a literal hood, not a mask. And maybe you're in a robe, not a cloak.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And maybe you were performing a ritual.

Cristina: Just out there like that. That's kind of crazy.

Jack: Literally what they say happens.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Rituals in the woods.

Cristina: Yeah, but you weren't in the woods. You're so.

Jack: You wouldn't have to literally be in the woods. They're not in a building would be the point of staying in the woods. It's outdoors. They're outdoors. Performing sketchy things would be the sort of general idea here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're not hidden doing it because otherwise how would people see them? I'm sure that in the woods has meant some people have seen them on the street as well, just, like, doing weird things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so you move around them. At least that's what we saw. And the thing is, all of us saw that. All of us saw the animal, and all of us saw the dude. It was unclear what the dude was holding. Two of us thought machete, two of us thought shotgun. But by the time we get to the animal, there's kind of not really a debate here because it's sliced open. Two of us are right, two of us are wrong.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But weird. Anyways, the other weird part about that moment, that quote druid, unquote, is that moment of the machete or the shotgun, because what. How could we not tell? But let's back up and talk about what we know about Clinton Road and what we know about the shadow realm. Clinton Road has high distortions. That guy might have not even been present. That guy could have been in the shadow realm, and we were seeing the distortions of the shadow realm. That would explain both happening.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's a distorted image of somebody on the other side.

Cristina: Yes, but did the deer look like it was from.

Jack: Well, no, the deer was cleared on this side.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And maybe he used whatever he got from the deer.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we were seeing him phase in the middle. The veil was thinnest right after he took it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because he needed the veil to thin for him to cross. And then we're seeing him slowly distorting more and more as it goes through his system and he crosses over to the other side. Weird.

Cristina: Okay, but he didn't, like, disappear in front of you guys. Like, it wasn't, like, that type of spookiness, was it?

Jack: So the debate that we had following this moment, because we're driving and then he's in the back mirror, we assumed it just got so dark that there's, like, a threshold that you just instantly get sucked into the dark.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. So, like, it appeared like he disappeared.

Jack: It appeared like he tried to make.

Cristina: It make sense, but it could just.

Jack: Be that, again, we were in a car, he was on foot. Like, the dark could have just swallowed him instantly. Beyond some point, he did get smaller and smaller and suddenly gone, which is possible. It's totally possible. We were also spooked by the fact that we just saw some random dude out here in the woods with the machete or shocker. So, yeah, we're maybe not focused. It's already, you know, the sits, the place and the situations already getting to us a little.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But we'll leave that there. Who knows? The next one is this. This is one we're definitely gonna have to unpack in detail one day.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There are giant lists. Giant lists of people who've gone into these words and never been seen before. Like, again, they're just gone.

Cristina: They're just gone.

Jack: Gone. People missing in these woods all the time. All the time. They disappear. These woods are not big enough for. So for there to be lists and nobody to find them, just. It's not big enough. You'd find them. You'd find them. You'd send crazy search parties and find them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Nobody's been found. They're just gone. Everybody. All of them.

Cristina: How long is the list at the moment?

Jack: About 300 people.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Okay, spread out, spread out. It's not like 300 people last year.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, through all the time, we've recorded about 300 people wandered, never been seen.

Cristina: Again for like 200 years. For a hundred.

Jack: For the past maybe like 30 years. That's a lot.

Cristina: Oh, okay. 330 years. Whoa.

Jack: Yeah, that's a lot. There's people wandering and vanishing and wandering and vanishing.

Cristina: You know, if there's, like, groups of.

Jack: People that disappeared as well, like entire groups have vanished. Yes.

Cristina: What is that?

Jack: Well, there's an answer for what that is based on the fact that they vanish in an area that shouldn't be so easy to lose so many people. Where are they going?

Cristina: Someone's eating them up.

Jack: I guess they're going to slip into the other side. Yeah. Yeah, they're. They're falling through some of these thin places into different times or falling into different spaces.

Cristina: Oh, you think different times.

Jack: They could just go through one and. I mean, they're still the one that overlooks the lake and is always looking into a time in which there are people at the la.

Cristina: Yeah. And there's. There's a spot like the. The tall grass in there as well.

Jack: There could be. Where everything is intersecting. Yeah. Once you're in your track, that'd be crazy. Maybe that's what they are. Maybe there is a situation like that going on.

Cristina: Those are crazy.

Jack: I would argue the tall grass is kind of based on some concept like that that somebody, you know once read about or something, and, oh, how interesting. And it's like. That's kind of real, man. It's kind of Kicking around reality a little bit crazy.

Cristina: But it could also be that they're being killed off because, like, who knows what's in there? All these stories of monsters.

Jack: Like, not even.

Cristina: They gotta eat.

Jack: Not even stories of monsters. Let's go to how people try to explain this. Because that's the next important thing.

Cristina: How they try.

Jack: How they try to explain it. This takes us back to the castle. They believe that Luciferians inhabit the castle and that their cults operate in that area, leaving behind strange symbols. This is literally written, as I'm saying it. Symbols and sacrifices of unfamiliar animals. Now, how would we identify a Luciferian? Well, you're just guessing who they are. A Luciferian who's performing a ritual would be indistinguishable from a Druid, wouldn't it? Yes, except you call them a cult. You're saying an individual is a Druid and a group is a Luciferian. Why couldn't there be a group of Druids?

Cristina: Yes. And they're sacrificing Shadow Realm creatures.

Jack: Shadow Realm creatures. Now we're getting to something.

Cristina: Yeah, weird.

Jack: There are symbols which are transmutations. You can convince me of anything else. You could not convince me. S*** else is happening. Strange symbols, huh? That's too familiar.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then unfamiliar creatures being sacrificed. There is some sort of a portal somewhere around here that distorted everything. Those creatures are coming in and they're bringing them in. Or something happened in the future, in the past. This is the hotspot and they're keeping it safe. Hence the sacrifices. It's not sacrifices. They're killing whatever comes through that shouldn't be here.

Cristina: But then how, if they're keeping it safe, like they're still mad people going missing.

Jack: That's why they need to be there, keeping it safe. If they're keeping it safe, what would happen if they weren't?

Cristina: Oh, okay, so you're saying it'd be so much worse.

Jack: It'd be so much worse. At least they can keep it contained in the woods of Clinton Road. You see? Now, if they're the ones causing it, then we are talking about an area, and this is gonna. I don't know how the f*** I didn't think about this last week when we were talking about the Phantoms in the Shadow episode. But I literally mentioned that the Vikings had created a forest through continuous sacrifices in order to stay in contact, be able to traverse and communicate with things from the other side. How the f*** is this any different than that?

Cristina: No, it's the same thing. They're probably talking to A co. Uncle God.

Jack: Hella people go missing. That sounds kind of accurate to what the Viking were doing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Creatures from who knows where. People hear voices when they're there. People slip in and out of places they're unfamiliar with. Everything jumbles around.

Cristina: The same story, just a different location.

Jack: Yes. It's a modern day portal location. It's a sacred forest to cross into the shadow Realm in Clinton Road.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The argument is whatever the h*** happened once we crossed Paradise Road into the town of paradise, we weren't on this side anymore. That's why it was jumbled. But then we didn't consume anything to get there.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So we must have been on this side and it was just because again, if the steps that we're talking about are as we're talking about them, then the Druid I did see needed the thing to cross. We didn't consume anything. So we were watching a really hot spot on this side of that side. Yeah. We were just watching that side essentially. Without being there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like the thinnest part of the veil.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Without crossing. And so it behaves almost like we're over there.

Cristina: Yeah. But you need something to actually be there.

Jack: So then this brings up another question. Is it possible to thin the veil so much? It's almost the same place.

Cristina: Like you don't need anything.

Jack: Like you don't need anything. If that's what's happening in paradise, then paradise is an actual. And listen to me what I'm about to say, this makes so much sense. If paradise is just the thinning of the veil, then you can coexist. When people from the other side. We go back to the origin of Halloween and Christmas and all these things when they will go to these graveyards. It's where the veil is very, very, very, very thin. And they can just people who are dead and. But also be careful. There's creatures there who might harm you. There is a town in Norway where there are people from the shadow realm, people from Elfim and people from earthrealm living together. In no moment that we ever come across a line that said anybody crossed anything to get there, we just know they're there together. There's two locations like that. That's just one of them. Is it possible that these locations are extremely focused so that you don't need anything and people don't have to cross, but you can still see people from the other side. Additionally, in situations like the judge sleeping in somewhere, these spots, it would just be one. He never went in.

Cristina: He never went in. No. That makes it make so much sense.

Jack: He abused the knowledge of being in this twisted place repeatedly and got familiar because the veil is so thin. It's not the same place.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He didn't slip anywhere. And he could see them like they're standing in front of him even if they're not.

Cristina: Yeah. And his sister probably took something though, once they. She made the deal with the other girl or whatever.

Jack: The other girl actually. They both actually crossed. But they had to learn how to do it.

Cristina: Yeah. But I don't think he did.

Jack: I don't think he did. I think there's a. I think there are places within veils where you can just interact and it's the same place the them into us. And we haven't thought about this before, but it checks out. Because the way that fear thins the veil.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Means you could get it if you can just keep applying the same logic and never have adrenochrome. You never bring adrenochrome into the equation. You just keep applying more and more and more and more and more and more fear.

Cristina: That's why you were there. But it was different.

Jack: But it was different. But there are conflicts to this theory. What Twin towers fall. There's a crazy amount of fear. New York didn't suddenly shift.

Cristina: It's not a hot spot.

Jack: It would have created a hotspot. If the fear is what's doing it. Or are we talking that you need to create technologies to thin the veil to this point?

Cristina: Possibly.

Jack: So from the other side creatures can come to this. I would fear alone. But we need some catalyst.

Cristina: Yeah. Because we see all this time distortion thing going on. That's not happening.

Jack: That's not happening over there.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Another theory for the same idea of the thinning veil is what if it's literally the same thing to get across. How do I put it? We need fear. They can see us. What if there's something on that side they have to do and then we see them give a point. What's the fear equivalent?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If it's one to one, what's over there that we need over here to suddenly start seeing them? Ooh, we haven't thought about that.

Cristina: I don't know. That's tricky. I don't know.

Jack: But makes sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If that's the case and is the kids in the playground who aren't there, they could get scared and then that, you know, thins that area a little more because foreign and exciting and. Oh my God. Well, we're kind of spooked out. There's people camping out there looking for things too, from the other side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It could be just as scared.

Cristina: So you think it works both ways? The fear itself.

Jack: Both sides are horrified because it's a fun place to go be scared.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so both sides are going and kind of scaring each other, not knowing. Oh, my God. There's something over there. People. People. It's just people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There are things. There's dangerous things. There's wolves and there's bears and there's snakes and poisonous and birds and crap and weird chimeras and. But also on the other side too. Just whatever things they got. But also they see weird things. But it's just us and we see weird things and it's just them.

Cristina: That's. Agree. That makes sense.

Jack: Makes so much sense.

Cristina: Yeah. It's just fear works the same over there as it does over here. Okay.

Jack: And if it's not literally fear, we can just put the value of X and call it fear. Anyways, they have something.

Cristina: We got something that works the same.

Jack: Interesting. Useful, right? Yes, interesting. Everything on this list is useful. It's important. And in like crazy thought reframing.

Cristina: Wow. Yeah.

Jack: So there's definitely something weird going on. I don't know if they're causing it or trying to contain it. Unclear. That's what we need to be looking at that castle for.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But it brings up the theory that there is something going on. And then the Druid himself walking through having gotten some ambrosia, fades away because he crossed over. Meaning you do need the thing to cross over. But then we connect the fact that we didn't consume anything when we were in paradise and it seemed that we.

Cristina: Did crossover some event happening is important. The time distortion thing, because we would have these still anywhere. Like, why is this the spot?

Jack: No, 100%. 100%. I do agree. I think this is an overlap of many things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I think things happened here either on the other side in the future or in the past. And that created just enough disturbances had to happen so long ago or so far in the future or somewhere we just can't find that then makes us not know what this is. And it's just a unique place that we can't be like, oh, no. It's unique because of that. We don't have that answer. So we're just like, oh, it's weird and spooky and that gets people excited to go there. And then that sort of perpetuates the fuel of fear and crap.

Cristina: But something had to start.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Not sure where, when, but something yeah.

Jack: The distortion seems to be unrelated to the spooky s***, even if it kind of resulted in it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's just this came first and it allowed for other s*** to happen and now this s*** happens as a result of the curiosity from that s***. But it's still a super hot spot because it's where the thing, whatever happened.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So it's kind of like all of the things overlapping in one spot, making it this kind of complicated amalgamation of all the things we would define as ghosts and horror and mysterious. Now this brings us to the next part, which is again why we have to start looking in this area more seriously. Because the next sentence, I must say it as they describe it, but then we know really what it means, which is there are quite a hefty number of reports that identify flying objects that could only be described by the individuals as aliens.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: UFOs everywhere. We know who the UFO are.

Cristina: The sea people.

Jack: The sea people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And this is a hot spot that all this ghost activity and then we have UFOs. No, they're observing and probably landing places and checking out. Because they're probably the ones with s***.

Cristina: Yeah. They probably end up doing something there that causes whatever to happen to happen.

Jack: Exactly. You tell me UFOs. I know who we're talking about. You tell me UFOs over weird time lapse hot spots within places and shadow realm creatures. I'm like, bro, yeah. There's only one group of people that's doing this.

Cristina: Yes. And they're a group of scientists. Anyway, like obviously they're doing something weird, even if it's to stop themselves from doing the weird thing. Like some kind of Star Trek thing.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: They end up doing it anyways.

Jack: But then this tells us something else interesting. They do come out because these sightings are recent. The spot is recent. This is all recent.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This is the first mention we have modern day of something that is probably the sea people. Now. It would just be UFO and people being crazy if it wasn't where the f*** it is.

Cristina: Yeah. But is the same thing. Does that happen in the ranch that we were talking about a while ago?

Jack: Yes. So, yes. UFOs drowning in there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Weird, right? I mean, that was the whole thing we're talking about. It's paranormal, but it really means just ghosts and aliens and it's like.

Cristina: Yeah, yes, yes, yes.

Jack: There's a pattern here where you have a lot of quote, ghost unquote activity. You have aliens and it's like neither one of these are what you guys think they are.

Cristina: And before those stories, you had fairy story.

Jack: Yeah. In the same places.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, interesting. In both places. Kind of painting a lovely. It's becoming too easy to find what we're looking for.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The. In the collective of what they don't know is all one thing. Paints us the picture we're looking for. Kind of crazy, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now deeper into the rabbit hole. We got creatures that are unfamiliar, creatures that are likely familiar things that are probably the scientists. We know rituals. We got thinning veils. We got the clear shadow realm overlap. We got weird things everywhere.

Cristina: Everywhere. Yeah.

Jack: And then people say they see what they could only describe as sentient lights or orbs moving through the woods, responding to people and avoiding people. Usually the size of a softball.

Cristina: That sounds familiar.

Jack: I'm thinking fairies. I'm thinking this s*** has everything still to this moment.

Cristina: Till this moment.

Jack: I think all of it is in there. I think these are fairies and we're seeing what they would look like without coming through.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: We're seeing the shadow realm equivalent of fairies. Never thought about it. How would they look like if they didn't come fully, but they were still on their side watching us, if we thinned that veil.

Cristina: Interesting, because I. I don't know if we've talked about fairies like that.

Jack: Never cross our minds. It would apply the same. If it's all the same.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It would just be a different direction, but the same idea.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. They just see them moving around.

Jack: That's like an impossible to catch. Impossible. Just super fast. And seem to, like, not be phased by creatures. And just totally like the overpowered thing that doesn't care about anything is that orb. And it's like, weird. I can't confirm it's a fairy. I cannot.

Cristina: No, but.

Jack: But, like, what else could we be talking about? Yeah, we'll pin that as fairy for now.

Cristina: Mm. Could be a shadow realm creature.

Jack: Yeah, it could be. But the fact that it's a light kind of argue because the shadow realm. They named the shadow realm because of its dark characteristics.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: The fact that this is bright, a bright glowing orb, it's like, oh, okay. That's some whole other thing you're talking about.

Cristina: Okay. You know, yeah, that makes sense.

Jack: But yeah, that. That one caught my attention because I'm like, I've never thought about this, but I could only explain this as the opposite of the shadow realm, which I would say is all fame and, like, how would they look like if these guys look like shadows but they're not?

Cristina: What would the other guys look like?

Jack: They would look like light even if they're not. And definitely the most important thing here is Cross Castle, which is specifically the ruins of the castle that it's said to be haunted by spirits and consistently visited by alien presence. Which is like, bro, it's always being like, aliens are always a UFO's always hanging around. It's like, brother, come on, you just tell me.

Cristina: The Druids are doing rituals.

Jack: That's where Luciferians are at.

Cristina: Yeah, it's.

Jack: It's obviously there. Yeah. You're telling me aliens are watching Luciferians in a place where they're performing rituals and when weird creatures come out of. Come on, bro, that is.

Cristina: That's too much.

Jack: That's too much happening all in one place. None of this is coincidence. The fact that people are talking about it like it's random. Separate is stupid to me.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like you guys really think all this separate is happening simultaneously? Just maybe it's all one thing. Whoa. Yeah. As I go through it, it's just gonna get dumber because it's gonna be so obvious. You don't even need any of the information we've uncovered to really understand what's happening.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: At this point, like, bro, obviously, obviously. But yeah. So Cross Castle, that's gonna be the main focal point. And I think as we unpack all of the details that matter to all these right now we're just skimming through, and then we're gonna truly deep dive into all these things. We're. We're in here for the long.

Cristina: Starting at Cross Castle, right?

Jack: No, we're ending at Cross Castle. That is the last point we will get to.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Because I'm sure when we get to that, all the other points are going to become null and void. So I want to leave that for last so that we just don't run out of s***.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: But Cross Castle will be the very last visit out of all the things we deem are important here. Now, revisiting the mysterious animals that seem to be unknown, there are a couple of things that ring familiar with the descriptions of these animals. Now, oftentimes are considered exotic because people are just unfamiliar with the animals that there are. But there are two descriptions that ring very powerfully. There is an old research paper of a journalist who was digging through these things, John McLean. And John, in looking at these things, says a nearby zoo had animals escape. According to their mention, the zoos.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But it seems that there was no forced entry upon police speculation. So it must have been a clean job. It's a zoo. There's no such thing as a clean job. So they gave the animals to somebody. That's weird. One fact random. Other note from a different. These are not journalists, these are people, okay, describing what they've seen, claim that the animals they witnessed are hybrid animals. Chimeras, literally.

Cristina: We do know about a scientist that was working on chimeras in real life.

Jack: Though, about many sciences.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now where this becomes relevant is when we look at what was taken from the zoo. Lions went missing.

Cristina: Sea people's favorite animal.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay, yeah. Were there horses?

Jack: Horses went missing, huh? You got anything else? You're on point.

Cristina: Those are the only two main ones I can think of.

Jack: Horses went missing, lions went missing, eagles went missing.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You see where we're going? It's just visually on point.

Cristina: We got the flying horse. The flying horse.

Jack: Eagle, flying lion. Oh, exactly. What the we're supposed to be seeing is what went missing from the. And no broken entry. How'd you take eagles? How'd you take horses? How do you take lions? No broken entry. Come on, you serious? That's a breeding ground. Those animals were donated, by the way.

Cristina: They're donated.

Jack: They were donated to the zoo. Oh, zoo's in on something, isn't it? Oh, you see, it's weird lines. It's like we don't even need to dig deep to understand some of these pictures. You tell me exactly what's missing over there is what people saw. Hybrid over here. What are the odds?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Just a coincidence, you know, just like they think isn't this is unrelated to that. It's just all random coincidence. It just so happened to be that only horses, lions and eagles are stolen and you see hybrid lion, horse, eagles over there. It's fine, it's unrelated.

Cristina: Unrelated. Okay, you're going.

Jack: You jump into speculation, man. What are the odds that exactly what's taken over there shows up over there? Fused.

Cristina: Were there any other animals taken?

Jack: No. Okay, horses, lions and eagles specifically. Yeah, no broken entry. The two explanations are escaped and were stolen in neither case could have happened. No, neither could have happened. You guys had to open and let them be taken. That's the only way. Yeah, crazy random details, not saying any of this means anything for anybody who thought this was always just coincidence after seeing everything put together. But whatever, you know, total coincidences. Then we get still on the topic of animals, what people describe as. And we know exactly what these are. Phantom animals, ghostly sightings of long dead pets, including dogs, cats, appearing alone in these areas. Very interesting detail here that these ghost creatures are pets. And that they're in this area because it would be the place where you would see the things from the other side. And if the veil is incredibly thin, then if you live in the area, your dog looking for you follows your scent like a wetchudge would and lands in Clinton Road tracking you. And then you see your long lost dog who's been dead for a while.

Cristina: Do they say like if they behave like an echo or.

Jack: No, these are just fully. Yeah, they feel like these are actually phantoms interacting and like. Oh my God, is that my dog? Oh my God. And then disappears.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And it's like. Okay.

Cristina: This makes sense to be a spot where they'd.

Jack: Exactly. Where they would pop up. This fits the graveyard.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That very well. People will go there because it's just a beacon for dead s***. And then you can go see your loved ones there.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: This could be the same thing. It's just a beacon for dead s***. And anybody who lives close maybe comes here to scare themselves once in a while, but your s*** is already in there somewhere. And once in a while you might just cross paths and see it. So I think that's very interesting. Weirdly and. Yeah. Yeah. It's weirdly enough. A lot of the visitors, like, this is my first time here. Like I saw my dog in there. It's like. Yeah, it's a beacon for deadship. Yeah, it's the hot spot. One of the. The other point that this makes me think about if the Vikings had one and we have one. Every major populated wooded area where people go missing is probably some s*** like this.

Cristina: Yeah, you gotta look into every.

Jack: There's an easy one. Japan has a forest of death where people allegedly go and commit suicide.

Cristina: Yes. There's gotta be weird stories coming out of there. If anyone just goes in there, they go in for the stories, but they see other s***. They gotta.

Jack: Yeah, I am sure now with the perspective this all we ever get more information. And then it enlightens other situations. And now we know this is probably the same as the Vikings place, which means we have a second one of these. But if there's two, then there are more.

Cristina: So much more. Yes, yes, yes.

Jack: There has to be a lot. And if we're talking Japan has the forest of death and Jesus went to Japan.

Cristina: That has been chosen for a reason. Okay.

Jack: F****** force is old, bro. Ours isn't. That forest is.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's been spooky to people for millennia.

Cristina: Yes. There's got to be some kind of energy or something that is involved.

Jack: Something. There is More important, Jesus himself thought that.

Cristina: Mm

Jack: Now we move to the next part of this. Here we're talking about undeniable s*** that we don't have to theorize about. Specifically with the next thing I'm about to say. People have found items in the woods that they believe look like cursed artifacts and relics. They use the term magic. That oftentimes when somebody tries to reach one of this, they've seen these artifacts begin to glow.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Or behave weird. Oh, it looks like a rock. And when I try to reach for the symbols on it light up or something. And it's like, maybe you're just looking at technology.

Cristina: Fairy technology, Shadow Room technology, Elysian technology.

Jack: Why would it look like our stuff unless it was made by earthlings. Okay, which would be the.

Cristina: But you said cursed.

Jack: They're describing it as cursed.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: People who don't know who wandered through the woods. All of this is just people who don't know. Every description we've given, there's people who don't know and they say cursed. They see a piece of stone with symbols on it, they reach for it and it glows. And they're like, it's cursed. That's an uninformed assessment of a piece of technology you're looking at.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: Of course, anything sufficiently advanced enough would look like magic. That makes sense. Oh, I reached for it lit up. It's cursed. It's woods with Luciferians. There seem to be demons in here. And then I find a rock with a diabolical looking symbol. I reach for and it lit up. It's cursed. Checks the narrative. It checks out with the narrative they're painting. Yes, but that means that there's so much activity here that there have been pieces of technology left, left, right. That means that some Alicians maybe have been killed in these woods running experiments. And like a wet judge breaks out.

Cristina: And like, off them, something horrible is happening there. So currently, not just in the future, is there something gonna happen, but there's.

Jack: Something currently happening, energy wise, we don't know. But we do know, activity wise, never stopped.

Cristina: Never stop.

Jack: We don't know if there's a giant machine being run, a machine that was run, or a machine that's gonna be run and where it's at. Exactly. We don't know any of that, but we do know activity wise, since the moment it began, it has not stopped.

Cristina: It's not gonna stop. And it's not gonna stop. Looks like it's not gonna stop.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yes. And I wonder if we'll see these items Again, yes.

Jack: So I actually have mad stars next to that now. Because we've found images of technology from the past. I want to see what the f*** there. Somebody had to be brave enough and pick one up and be like. Or took a photo on their phone or something. You know, show it to me. So I'm gonna dig and find something. I want to see what it looks like. And then. Is it in a book? Can we find a hieroglyph with an image of it? Yeah, you know, anything. Just give me one image and I will cross reference everything under the sun until I find something.

Cristina: We're gonna find something.

Jack: We have to. They. It's. It's more than one person saying this happened.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There are cursed artifacts that people have talked about. It's like, okay, okay, now we're on to something. And that's unquestionably something obvious.

Cristina: Yeah. But when I think of like, if they're gonna call something cursed, does that mean something happened to the people? You know?

Jack: Like, no, they don't know. They're. If they're reporting it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Nothing happened to them. They just don't know what they were looking at.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like, if they're telling you about it, they made it out.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Otherwise they wouldn't worry about the thing. They'd be like, people died in the wood, you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're like, no, I saw a weird thing. It was probably cursed.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like, okay, then nothing happened. They're just using s***** language because they don't know better.

Cristina: Alright.

Jack: They don't know no better.

Cristina: You gotta check that out though.

Jack: So coming back to the idea of animal rituals, the. This is so related to me. Pretty often people find mutilated animals. That's just like a literal report. Mutilated animals usually on the curbside or roadside. Yeah. And the, the exact descriptions go like, they find animals in the woods. They're speculated to be result of the occult rituals. Oftentimes opened from the chest down to the belly button. You know, kind of that area.

Cristina: That's what you think you saw?

Jack: That's literally what I saw. Literally what I saw.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Literally what I saw. Yep. The deer cut straight from its neck all the way to its private parts and then just opened. That's it.

Cristina: And it looked like it just happened.

Jack: It looked like it just happened. I didn't think about this next part until this very moment. And now I'm disturbed because I think about this next part until this very moment. I've told you a thousand times about that deer.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I never once saw blood on him or the deer. That's f****** weird. I never thought about that for the last 15 years. Never crossed my mind. There was no blood. Not a bit. I told you. I even f****** walked and was looking at it up close. I was amazed by what the f*** I was looking at. The guy was in a white robe.

Cristina: Yeah. No blood.

Jack: No blood did cross my mind when nobody questioned anything.

Cristina: The deer. No blood.

Jack: Deer, no blood.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: Weird, yes.

Jack: Now I have less idea what I saw. That's weird. Now I have less idea what I saw. I don't remember any blood. I don't know why. I don't know why the f*** doesn't cross my mind.

Cristina: So right now the whole situation's weird.

Jack: Yeah, it is f****** strange as h***. This strange one spectral fog. So a thick, unnatural fog that rolls in suddenly, obscuring vision and often causing travelers to lose their way. Now people say this fog is so confusing, it feels like the Roger movie. Is this fog literally what it looks like? When the veil is thinning more, you're seeing the other side, so it looks unclear.

Cristina: Yes. When you saw. But you didn't see fog?

Jack: I didn't see fog, no. But also we crossed something.

Cristina: Yeah, I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. Something to look at. I got everything here. Something to look at. All of it somehow relevant.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We've never heard this before. First mention of a fog that rolls in right before things start to jumble up.

Cristina: But you saw things jumbling up and no fog.

Jack: No fog. I saw a jumbled up mess and I never saw fog.

Cristina: Strange. I don't know.

Jack: Okay, let me do some f****** rapid fire. Running out of time. G******. Okay, okay. This is important as f*** because I didn't even know this existed. I only found. This is one of the. It's towards the bottom of this list because it's one of the last things I found. Just looking through this and I'm like, what the f***? Nobody's ever mentioned this. There are mines out there. Mine, mine. There's old mine tunnels said to be haunted by spirits of miners who died in them. People have been seen coming in and out of the mines, bruh.

Cristina: People might be going in and out of the mines.

Jack: I don't think that's Rose, bro. Think about this real hard.

Cristina: We know people are experimenting.

Jack: There are mines going way out of sight. Let's take another moment. Eloi built his lab in a cave. When you go into those caves, you see the pipes going in random directions.

Cristina: Yeah. This could be a lab.

Jack: This could be a f****** Lab.

Cristina: I think it's a lamp.

Jack: The castle isn't in the center. The mines are. Of course, if we were to ever find a huge energy displacement, something, something. I think it's more likely to be in the mines. To be in the mines?

Cristina: Yeah, I think so.

Jack: It's also weird that that's the least mentioned thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There's been mines there this whole time.

Cristina: Well, who's gonna be exploring the mind?

Jack: It's not about exploring them. Why don't people talk about them? That's all. Just mention it more often. I've heard so many of these other things, I've never once heard of the mines.

Cristina: Most people disappear at the mines.

Jack: Fair enough.

Cristina: Who knows?

Jack: Like, fair enough. Fair enough. That's definitely, like. I do believe if we. If we're looking for something, it's the castle or the mines, one or the other. And at this point, knowing the past, it's probably the mines, not the castle. Castle is probably home or, you know, the top of the mountain. The place you get to before you walk to the other place. Yeah.

Cristina: The mines has to do with the sea people, but the castle has to do with the Shadow realm, the necromancers.

Jack: So we're talking just a hot spot for, like, literally, not just for activity of other things, but, like, there. Different groups are coming here to use this.

Cristina: Mm. We got fairies. We don't have any fairy trees.

Jack: We don't have fairy trees, but I'm about to blow your mind. Now that you mentioned fairies. One of the most consistent sightings of things here are gnomes. Weird, weird gnomes.

Cristina: Have we spoken about gnomes somewhere else?

Jack: Yes, we've briefly addressed gnomes. Gnomes, yes.

Cristina: Weird. Okay.

Jack: Oh, yes. And gnomes are fairies. Very type of fairy.

Cristina: Okay. Are they hanging out by the mines or they're just random.

Jack: No. And just in the woods, along with orbs, along with all the weird creatures, just random spottings of these things. Everything is out here. All of it.

Cristina: I bet there's fairy trees. But of course, no one could find the fairy trees.

Jack: If you did, how would you tell? Yeah, how would you tell? I bet there is a fairy tree. I bet if we look hard enough, we could find a fairy fort.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I mean, dude, there's the mine and there's the castle. Come on, bro. Everybody has a base here. Yeah, it's not big enough to lose a s*** ton of people, but it's big enough to have a couple of bases in here.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You know, it's starting to paint a real vivid picture. I think we're looking at a spot that's kind of like the city up in Norway. I think we're looking at a spot that's kind of like the city in India. These places where, you know, amalgamations of people get together and they can kind of coexist and maybe. Neutral zone. It's a neutral zone. You are beef. Whatever. You know, we got the un. I might hate you as a country, and you hate me as a country, and we're gonna go bomb each other later. But at the un, we all shut the up and we're just. Nothing happens here, or everybody here bombs you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so that would be the idea, Right? The space. Neutral territory. We can't do anything to each other here or the other groups collectively. F*** you up.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Neutral territory.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so a fairy can gladly be here, knowing the Elysian can walk right by him. Be like, I'll get you when we get out of here. You know? Because if you do violate. Well, how many other groups are here that are just gonna. Well, we're not gonna let you violate our safe spot. Even if we don't like them, too. We're gonna you up, because now we can't let you do that because then you might do it to us too. And, like. Okay, so neutral zone where everything weird happens.

Cristina: I think so. That sounds like that.

Jack: Because we've seen too many different things now.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Too many conflicting interests coexisting. There must just be enough of something to go around. What is it?

Cristina: What's going on? They're all interested.

Jack: Mm. Now, this next one is definitely gonna be the hardest one to unpack, but it's also like, the clear. Yeah. People have probably even touched one of these buildings. People come across invisible barriers. And there's one group of people who we know are really good at making invisible s***.

Cristina: Just making invisible things.

Jack: The Alicians. The people who make entire mountains vanish. I guess the people who can be in plain sight and their civilization not be in there.

Cristina: Okay. Yes, we know they're in there.

Jack: They're in there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But, yeah, people have literally, like, come across, like, what the f***? I can't go through?

Cristina: And it's, like, kind of scary.

Jack: Yeah. You're just probably touching a building or some s***. You don't even. You can't see it, so you're like.

Cristina: Which matches the whole. Like, they're going up and down. You're seeing these weird ways that they're walking. Like. Yeah, it could be.

Jack: Well, no, they wouldn't be. You wouldn't see them at all. They would be invisible in the building.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: Everything in there would be invisible.

Cristina: So that's the shadow realm, the other one, I guess.

Jack: No, that's the elation. Cloaking technology.

Cristina: No, not that. The people that you do see walking up and down.

Jack: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Those people must be in the shadow realm. You must be watching movement within the shadow room, for sure. But these people are definitely not like, this is the fact that they. They literally set invisible barriers.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like, oh, man, that's so specific, bro. I don't even know what to do with that information. That means we just gotta walk a ton of Clinton Road, broad daylight, and just. Just such things run until we hit something that doesn't. That isn't there, I guess.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I don't know how we would find it, but, like, people have come across it.

Cristina: Yeah, that's. That's tough.

Jack: Tough. But this also suggests something different. Elysians can find their building without uncloaking it. They must have something to show them where it is.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess. They have the technology.

Jack: Other obvious thing that is here are, you know, time slips. Little thin places, people. That's the primary thing we think is dominating this place. A s*** ton of thin places everywhere. And creates the main attraction, which is probably what everybody else is there. Abusing ways in and out of different places.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: And that's in abundance. People are like, I f****** went through here. I felt like it was a five minutes. And then when I got to the other side of this tree, it was f****** night.

Cristina: Okay. Now, there's a lot of stories like that.

Jack: That s*** is the most abundant kind of story. That is literally the most common occurrence. There is seeing something weird that can't be explained. The truck and people losing time. Those three events. Those are the most consistent things that happen. People see a truck a lot. That guy's out there desperate, okay. He's desperate. Seeing shadows and crap super common. And then people losing crap tons of time or moving in unbelievably quick. They're going. They began. Two minutes later, they're on the other side.

Cristina: That's strange.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's 10 miles. How'd you do it?

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Going back to odd symbols, there have been symbols found on stones. There have been symbols found on structures. There have been symbol found on odd relics and artifacts. The weirdest one is symbols found on trees that seem to always be in pairs.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: What people describe always seeing two. I want to find images of this. I couldn't.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But people say fine. Always finding to. I had to say, because I know you're gonna ask, are the photos but two trees next to each other with exactly the same symbol on both trees?

Cristina: What could that mean?

Jack: What could that mean? Kind of sounds like a lazy portal.

Cristina: To me, I guess.

Jack: Right. Because it's still the arch. You still have the two walls to it.

Cristina: If you.

Jack: I don't know how. If the top is requirement. But like, I don't know. I'm just thinking, like, what could I picture possibly me. So, yeah, that's. That's what we get. Those are the important things to look at. This is the thing you need to.

Cristina: Look at that there's so much. Yeah, yeah. We gotta look at everything.

Jack: There isn't one thing I mentioned on.

Cristina: This part that we don't need to look at.

Jack: So this is why I called this what's significant.

Cristina: It's all.

Jack: It's all significant. I'm telling you. We're here for the long haul. This is a lot of crap to dig into.

Cristina: Yeah. Whoa.

Jack: There's a lot. Yeah. It's ridiculous. So, yeah, this is what we have, man. There's a crap ton. We, we got fairies, we got thin places. We got creatures from the Shadow Realm, we got Elysians, we got fairies, we got science experiments. We got people desperately trying to get back. People somehow just casually crossing to the other side. We have places with extremely thin veils that make it indistinguishable. We have that as an explanation to how people in the past managed to get in and out without ever actually going in. We have. Have too much information going on. Everything. Everything is here. All of it happens here.

Cristina: You have a lot of missing people.

Jack: We have a lot of. We have a lot of missing people. But that's a clear one, man. Because they're either cultivating a way to get through or there are stones being made. Maybe s***** ones. Could be just enough to do casual things. Yeah, you need something huge. You don't need a crap ton of people. Yes. Need a casual stone. Take two or three people.

Cristina: We have a deer with no blood.

Jack: A deer with no blood. We got chimeras. Obvious chimeras. A zoo that's somehow tied to it.

Cristina: Yeah. Weird.

Jack: So, yeah, that's what we got for you guys. So, you know, if you guys have any input, any ideas, any in. Anything interesting, any information additional. I think I didn't mention that. You guys think is relevant and falls into here, please. We're kind of just. Yeah. Connect Dots connect.

Cristina: Yeah. There's so much connecting we got to do. We tried our best but like anything.

Jack: We didn't see feel free. Call us stupid just give us the answer but what you got to do just tell us what the answer is.

Cristina: Yeah help us.

Jack: And you could do all that by going to our socials. You can contact us at just convopod on X on TikTok on Facebook and not on YouTube because we're not there anymore.

Cristina: And remember to subscribe ran review the show.

Jack: Yes and word of mouth is one of the most important things in the world. Let everybody know that we have discovered so many things and that maybe they want to know about it.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: Sam.

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July 13, 2024

Rambling 281: Clinton Road: Part 2: Shadows

July 13, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

If Ghosts we title Echoes are visible time loops that can’t be interacted with, what is its opposite? Can Phantoms be interacted with? What are they? The duo continue unpacking the narratives around Clinton Road on their endless quest to understand what happened in their childhood. No longer looking at Echoes, they focus on the things that react to visitors. The stones uncovered will reveal some new perspectives never before visited on the show!

+Episode Details

Demonic Truck
Ghost Children
Disembodied Voices
Headless Horseman
Pine Barrens Devil
Melting Trees
Shifting Paths
Ghostly Campers

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And so we do that.

Cristina: Do that every week.

Jack: We do that every week. We do that all the time. And so, you know, in the last couple of years, we've gotten way informed on a lot of sort of esoteric and stoic knowledge. Things hidden, you know, the, the secret scriptures and the secret texts and lost civilization things, and cross referencing information that suggested so many things. Anybody who's been following knows what we're talking about. So we've used this knowledge recently because it looks like we were digging into an infinite hole.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So let's use the knowledge instead of continuing to dig the infinite hole and apply it to other places that have very similar conditions. And so we've started to unravel things. And so last week we're digging a new hole. No, we're using the information we have from the hole to compare to other things and be like, oh, this looks like this over here and it looks like that over there. Okay, no more hole digging until something here informs us on which tool to go continue digging with. But point being that we were last week kind of going through some of the information that we were not talking about. But you know, we in the past have come across Clinton Road, which is a really odd place. And it had a lot of similarities to some of the things that we've recently uncovered. We've seen that we can find residue of high energy technology and it usually takes the form of space time alterations and odd anomalies. So looking for things like this informs us. And so two weeks ago we looked at a scenario that was heftily informed. I believe that was a skin walk around.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then before that again, we had another instance, some creepy mansion.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: The mansion. Yes. And directly after the Skinwalker Ranch, we did Stonehenge. All which have the same things. And what we find is the same things. Gateways and distortions and a lot of quote, ghosts.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So last week we go to the place we know has all of these things happening simultaneously on top of each other. And like I said, I broke it into three sections because there was absolutely too much happening in this one place and.

Cristina: Ridiculous amount.

Jack: Yes, too much. And for anybody who's not familiar, many, many, many years ago, maybe like four or five Years ago, we dove into the experience me and two friends had there, three friends. Of course, we couldn't get a contact with them, but we brought to them on the show. We talked to them and everything about how strange that place was. Everybody had different stories. Whatever. You guys can go look at it. It's Clinton Road. I think it was Halloween episode. It was like three episodes long or whatever. And last week, we were just going over anything that we would identify as an echo, a sort of replay of a different moment that is not interactable necessarily, but rather something that's happening but not now.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And there was a lot, some things of which were very important that we need to look at in the future. But that was only one of three sections I'd made because that was just the echoes. This week, I would like us to dive into the things that do respond to people. Not that just play on a loop, but the things in Clinton Road that seem to not be an echo, that seem to actually be a thing of some sort.

Cristina: Like a conscience thing.

Jack: Something thinking. Yeah, something responsive. Something maybe dangerous, maybe not.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But that can respond. That seems to be moving with intention as opposed to a replay of a moment.

Cristina: Horrifying.

Jack: So next to the word phantoms, I've put conscious. I've put thinking intentional entities that are non human and probably could be from a different realm. I'm assuming the shadow realm, because Elfame or any higher level might be unlikely.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So let's unpack some of these details. This is a little bit shorter than the echoes of which there were many. This is still pretty long, but it was just a couple shorter. So let's start by going into the pickup truck. This is probably the most known thing on this road. There's literally movies that have taken this concept and rolled with it. And it's just some menacing black pickup truck that allegedly chases drivers at night, only vanishing when there's another car coming towards them or when they are successfully in something faster. And funny enough, it faster is very exact thing, because faster is conditional. People have been in supercars running down the street, and this pickup keeps up.

Cristina: That's weird.

Jack: That's weird. But if this pickup truck isn't physically here, if this pickup truck is in a different space where whatever is there knows how to manipulate the sort of distortion to cover ground faster, then it would look like you have this sort of ghost truck following you at an impossibly fast speed. But maybe on their side, it's normal speed, but they know how to move in such a way that over here we move fast.

Cristina: How do we know this isn't an echo? What makes it different?

Jack: Because it does interact with people. This is where the speed becomes very important because the vanishing and the fact that it's on the road. Very interesting here. Now it has moved around cars. Oh, it has moved around cars. It has diverted to hit cars. Somebody jumps off the road and it'll jump off the road behind them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's very, very different than something on replay. Now, what's weird about this place is that it seems to happen at exactly between four and six miles, nowhere outside that range, which means there is a particular heavy amount of distortion that somebody's abusing there, I suspect, at least.

Cristina: Yes, but not the person driving the truck. They're just driving their truck.

Jack: They're not. I think that there's just a nice little fold.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Of the two realms here. And he's just on his end, but he can clearly see because people from the shadow realm can just see us or whatever the f***. I have no idea how that works. Maybe it's the same that, like, as fear manifests, we start showing up over there more and they start showing up over here more, and so the lines start to blur.

Cristina: It could. Like, we don't have any proof of that. But why can't it be that.

Jack: Yeah, it'd be weird if it was just one way in this direction.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But then it's. Yeah, I guess it would. I guess the argument would be that it's not that they're coming over here, but the veil is thinning.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so we're sort of coming closer together in general.

Cristina: That could be it. We don't know.

Jack: Yeah, because we've always thought about it like, oh, the people from the shadow realm with fear start coming this way, but, like.

Cristina: Because it seems easier for them for it to be that way.

Jack: Yeah. But when we think about it, if they aren't actually over here, how are they seeing us? Yes, we're seeing them because they're phasing over here. But are they seeing themselves over there and themselves over here? That can't. That doesn't. Make sense.

Cristina: That doesn't make sense.

Jack: No, they're probably just seeing us start to fade in over there, and then they start to prey on us.

Cristina: Yes. Yep.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: That could be. That could be. I know there's ways in and out, but there's this other thing of just, like we're somehow in between both.

Jack: Yes. We're somehow at all times, well connected enough. And it's. It's a dial Right. You could turn it and sort of enhance how much of the entanglement is how much is crossed in that moment.

Cristina: How's that happening? But, yeah, I think that might be what's happening.

Jack: And in the case of this truck, I think that 4 to 6 mile range is a particularly dense area, which brings up an interesting point. Maybe this is a focal point of one of the major events that took.

Cristina: Place here in the future. Maybe. Question, I believe. Yeah.

Jack: Because there's. We look back and we find so little. We look. Well, we can't look forward. But the fact that, again, it's possible that a spacetime distortion from the future ruins the past, because that's how it works. It's space time.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And this distortion is huge here. But also the logic could be that it's a long, long street with no lights.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Maybe people start to panic around the same distance.

Cristina: I wonder. I wonder what it is. I wonder if we'll find a glimpse of what really happens in the future, though, through this conversation. Maybe eventually, like. Because the weird thing that happens there may even be from the shadow realm. Because we know they do experiments like we do. They do experiments here, but they also do experiments there. So what if this is just a spot where both sides were doing experiments?

Jack: Doesn't even have to be both sides doing experiments, because there's many instances just this side doing experiments, and that can mess it up. So why wouldn't it be that only on that side and cause the same thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Especially after we know that it's almost like we are in the same space, but somehow a barrier was built to divide them. There's a wall that was put in between this realm and that realm. There isn't. The word realm ceases to lose meaning when we back up far enough because, well, this is just, you know, that room. And then he put walls around that room and called it Earth Realm.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's hard for us to get out the room, but we can.

Cristina: Yeah. It is up or down.

Jack: That's how it seems to be in every direction. Yeah. Which. It's weird, but this kind of really leans into the flatter theory. Right. Of like, well, they walled us in, but they're really out there. There's more.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I mean, weirdly enough, that's kind of on the nose, but about the wrong thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But, yeah, this truck is responsive. It is responsive. It chases people. My idea is 10 miles Clinton Road, 4 to 6 miles. But what does that mean? That means if I enter from north, four miles in. If I enter from south, four miles in. It's the same distance either way. It could just be the people within. Like, as you start getting more and more. You start getting more panicking, more paranoid. And so in the middle is where people are the most freaked out. Which would make sense that enough people freaked out consistently going through at that level of panic. More and more and more about that truck.

Cristina: Also will be pushing that too.

Jack: Not even hearing about the truck, but hearing about all the other things that happen here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then you get to this part, and maybe this guy is just some dude who lives on the other side, but in this part of it. And maybe he is a bad guy.

Cristina: Or he just wants that fear. Like, it's not really about murdering anyone. It's just like he knows he hasn't done.

Jack: Yes. That's another thing I found interesting. So the truck does show up. The truck chases people. But I made sure to mention the weirdest part about this, which is right before he does anything, he always disappears.

Cristina: Yeah. He's about to want it. And then he goes. Yeah.

Jack: He'll jump on the lane you're in from far ahead and drive straight towards you and drive straight at you and then just f****** veer off into the woods and disappear.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like he's f****** with you. He's f****** with you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Whoever that is, just f****** with you. He's not trying to kill you. That's the weirdest part. But it's so intentional. It's like he's f****** with you legitimately in an impossibly fast pickup truck that looks like a moving shadow.

Cristina: Yeah. I wonder if it's possible. It's. He was a human who ended up over there. Fascinating, because there are those cases and.

Jack: There'S hella thin places around here. Could just be slipping in and falling on the other side.

Cristina: Yeah. He just knows what he needs. He's probably was hooked on it. Adrenochrome when he was alive and, you know, died.

Jack: Which then goes back to all the. That's here. There's been cults and there's been sacrifices, and there's been a lot of.

Cristina: Yeah, a lot of adrenal chrome and stuff going on.

Jack: So anytime we find something weird, this is the thing. Right. We realize in the beginning of our journey, adrenochrome is everywhere. Everybody's doing adrenochrome and that's what's up.

Cristina: Yes. But then when those people die, it's even worse.

Jack: It's even worse because they lose their minds on the other side or they. In the Fear of knowing they're gonna lose their mind. They getting desperate to get back over here and get adrenochrome. So.

Cristina: So it could just be one of those people.

Jack: Could definitely be. And as long as he sustains the fear, he doesn't need the blood. Yeah, that could totally make sense. He has to. He has to cultivate it over and over and over. And it's like, I'm stuck over here, but I'm. I'm not gonna go crazy. I refuse. And I'm gonna just with people every day if I have to.

Cristina: Could be. It's really easy for him.

Jack: He's gonna get us fixed. He needs it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If it's a problem, people up, they. They go in and they don't realize how bad this really is. Now, the next one is children. This one is very specific. Apparitions of children playing on the roadside who vanish upon approach but can be seen waving at passersby. Oh, I thought echo when I was first looking at the mentions of this. And then I started looking deeper in, and it's like some people have these kids get excited, get up, look at them, start running towards them and disappear.

Cristina: It's hard to tell, though, between echo and not echo. It's really, really.

Jack: It is absolutely not the moment something is responsive. The fact that somebody stood there and then they started waving as opposed to. They're just waving at nothing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The echo would be doing the action regardless. It's not responding to an environment. It's not there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Anything responsive cannot be an echo by default. This is the easiest distinction to make. It's not difficult.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It will be responsive. If it's not. If you stand in front of it and you're like, hey. And it's like looking right through you and doesn't notice and walks right through you, and that's an echo. It doesn't realize you're present. But these kids see a car drive by. People see the kids play. They think ghost. The kids see the car. The kids, excited, get up and wave. What's weird about this is that they're not trying to get to the street. They're not trying to get to the street. They're just aware of the cars passing by, and so they wave.

Cristina: That's so weird.

Jack: Like, they know they can't make it.

Cristina: How many children is.

Jack: It varies.

Cristina: It varies.

Jack: But it's like they know they can't get to the street. There's an awareness of, oh, it's another car coming. How there's another weird thing from the.

Cristina: Other side that is weird. But is there they just look like normal children, too?

Jack: It's unclear. Small people.

Cristina: Small people.

Jack: Small people that appear to be children playing. Yeah, it's Clinton Road. Nothing is a specific description. It's night. Always.

Cristina: It's always night. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. It's impossible. Any clear description you want, you will not get. Yeah, this is Clinton Road at night, every time. And, like, kids that's in the woods, like, how detailed can you get?

Cristina: That is so creepy.

Jack: Yeah. But the fact that they know you're there, they'll just be minding their business. A car rolls by, somebody. Oh, kids. And then the kids and like, oh, my God, let's just keep going. But ultimately, the kids notice cars, but.

Cristina: If you stop, they would just be gone.

Jack: No, if they run towards you, there's like a barrier that they can't make it past because they vanish.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Oh, that's even scarier. Oh, my gosh. They run towards you and then just.

Jack: Yeah. So my idea would be that unlike visual thin places that we can see through and look to a different time or an echo that's just a fold repeating. I think this would be a literal. Not just thin places towards the past, but thin places towards the shadow realm. And, like, they can see through, but it's bubbles that they can't get through. Weirdly enough, same as us thousand years ago, looking at the sky and seeing a plane. And it's just because on the other side of the bubble, a plane went in front of it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there must be in front of this playground or whatever, a thin place just at the right angle that you can see it for maybe a hundred feet or so into the other side, and they can see you back and then you can interact, but beyond a certain angle, you can't. That's what it seems to me. Because they are responsive. They look in the wave, excited to see, and then they're just not there suddenly. But only do it when there's somebody you don't arrive and they're already in the motion. They're always awesome. Kids saw me and they came and they were coming to say hi, and they just not there suddenly. Yeah, it's pretty up.

Cristina: That's. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I guess that there's children on that side. Why not?

Jack: Why wouldn't there be? They're just people. Jin are just people.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: But I think this falls into something from the shadow room. The fact that they see the cars and they get excited. They're just kids. They're not trying to f*** with people. The way that pickup is they're really genuinely just kids or seems to be to people.

Cristina: But that's. That's it.

Jack: Yeah. They seem childish. The next one gets to more personal areas for me, which is disembodied voices, whispering voices heard in the woods, often leading people to feel as though they're being watched or followed.

Cristina: This is one that they say your name. We heard we were talking about one before on the last episode about someone saying your name.

Jack: This is unrelated to anything from last episode. These are all new things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. This is just voices.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And these voices seem to be following people and it makes people feel like they're being watched. But mainly is that they're being followed because the voices are continuously behind them or next to them, around them. The voices tend to be unclear, but the voices seem like they're speaking a language. But it's also very, very off putting and very disturbing. The sort of guttural sounds that get made. It sounds like language, but like a demon is talking to people. It's the best way that people have described it. I would argue that we're hearing Jin language.

Cristina: Okay. Like shadow realm.

Jack: Yeah. And like it just sounds up to us because we've never discussed what it would sound like to speak in a place that's not physical. You don't have. You don't have vocal cords or anything.

Cristina: But they got. I would assume they have some kind of language because we do hear about people who do go over there and communicate with them.

Jack: And here's another thing. If I don't understand. I was thinking about this and just because I said this, it made me think about it again. I don't understand how it is that all the old text we find describes the shadow realm as a non physical place. But physical beings can so easily traverse. But also adrenochrome makes you traverse. I don't understand that problem. Because you have to stop being physical to get there with adrenochrome. But you can. Like the judge just walked in.

Cristina: Well, we don't know his life. What if he had Jesse? He had adrenal crown before.

Jack: How do you get back out? How does anybody go in and out? How do you get your body into a non physical place and then walk out still physical. Your body doesn't just dissolve and disappear and you can't ever come back. That doesn't make sense. There's some interpretation that's wrong there. Because that is a conflict of description is contradicting.

Cristina: It's a paradox.

Jack: You can't both be physical on the other side and not be physical on the other side. On the flip side, we do discuss ourselves as physical and non physical. There is a soul version of me that's controlling my body and then there's the body that the soul is controlling. There's the physical and the metaphysical simultaneously. But then that means that all the descriptions they have of the other side are f****** stupid because it's just this. But over there. Well, it's a non physical place. Your souls and stuff. It's like. You mean like we have over here?

Cristina: But is our body going in there? Our body's falling asleep and then we go in there. Like how does that.

Jack: I don't know. How would the Judge enter on earth realm on this side, take a shortcut in there and then pop out somewhere else? His body then just flatline over here and stay there unconscious, and then teleport to the other side of Earth?

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: Do you see the problem? There are active contradictions. And how this is described. There's something we don't understand necessarily because it's described as such a physical place. And you need adrenochrome to have a certain state. But also, let's think about adrenochrome. It's a physical thing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Why would it take you somewhere non physical?

Cristina: It has to be just physical in a different way. It's not non physical. It's just.

Jack: Yeah, there's something we're not grasping about it.

Cristina: Yeah, but you need. You need it still to get there and somehow.

Jack: Yes, yes. Even with a gate, you cannot enter the shadow realm unless you've had adrenochrome. We thought adrenochrome meant only after you die. But then later we find out some people can actually just walk in every time except the Judge. That we don't know for a fact. But every other time required adrenochrome. So it's a physical place that requires that no matter what, something about the adrenochrome allows your body to adapt to the conditions of the shadow realm. I don't think it's not a physical place. I think they were focusing on the descriptions of what adrenochrome is doing in order to describe what the place is. Yeah, I think that's the reality of the matter. I don't think it's not a physical place. I think it's a different realm. Obviously it's a different space that requires some alteration physically that is different than what we consider normal on the side. And so in their attempt to describe that, it sounds like you're talking about something non physical.

Cristina: But I don't think you actually. You don't need adrenochrome because necromancers don't. They just need a state of mind. They. They can do it. Yes, they can. Just.

Jack: But there's also heavy understanding. And they have stones that are made of the same thing.

Cristina: They have the stones to do it.

Jack: They have the stones to do it. And it's made of the same thing that adrenochrome is. It's just not in their body. Now this is an interesting point you bring because Adrian, necromancers don't need to consume it yet their body can still exist in the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now let's take a step back because we don't have an instance of a necromancer in the Shadow Realm that we've ever read. We just know it says they can. But the only time we have them actually traversing instead of giving somebody the way to is through Elfhame. And we don't even know if they physically stand in Elfame as opposed to use Elfame to cut through.

Cristina: That's exactly what it seems like.

Jack: Yeah. Which means they're not entering the Shadow Realm either.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Because we've never had a single discussion that says they entered the Shadow Realm. They just know how to get there. Which presumably means they know how to navigate the Shadow Realm even if they don't enter the Shadow Realm as a shortcut. Another shortcut. They can get anywhere, anytime, however they want.

Cristina: Yeah. That's so weird though. What is that? What?

Jack: Unless Elfame and the Shadow Realm are physical, which seems to be the case too. I don't know. It's so many contradictions there. Yes, but maybe if it. If it's not a different layer and it all is seamless, just with barriers like flat earth. A circle within a circle within a circle. If that's the case, then a necromancer literally enters the Shadow Realm. And a necromancer literally enters all fame.

Cristina: But as far as we know, that doesn't happen. Really?

Jack: We don't have a mention of either. Yeah, I've never seen a mention of either of those scenarios happening.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we don't even have Santa Claus entering the Shadow Room.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Nothing.

Cristina: Jesus. Entering the Shadow Realm after he died. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's.

Jack: The rules feel consistent. There is consistency. He didn't enter. He exited. He died. To get there.

Cristina: He died. He went to their prison, kidnapped a bunch of them, got some stones.

Jack: People over here thought it was part of their plan. To get rid of Jesus. Little did they know, Jesus planned every part of it. He needed to get over there.

Cristina: Yes, Very weird.

Jack: But then the transition state, I think is important, which then brings up a different problem. Did Hermes have to die? Because one very important thing we have to remember about necromancers is what are they most known for? Relating to the dead. The dead and death.

Cristina: That is interesting.

Jack: That is very interesting.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Jesus is an example of somebody who didn't touch the other side until he died.

Cristina: So do they have to die?

Jack: Do they all have to?

Cristina: I think so, because Santa Claus, obviously that happened to him. That's why we have this Nicholas, who's so different from Sam. There was some metamorphosis, something that happened there, obviously.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: I don't know about Patrick.

Jack: I don't. I don't know about that. But he's also loosely the bottom tier of this.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Meanwhile, Merlin has several stories of his end.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah, yeah, this is making sense. Yeah.

Jack: So all necromancers must. Or at least it seems to be, death is part of the process.

Cristina: I think so. I think so.

Jack: Mm.

Cristina: It makes sense.

Jack: Which means Hermes probably consumed adrenochrome, but in a scientific correct way that keeps him in control just so he can cross over to the other side.

Cristina: Actually, yeah, I think that's right. I think they had to die.

Jack: I think he had to die. We might not have the text, but we have Jesus the only example of a necromancer entering the shadow realm and he had to die to get there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If it was so easy and it was so simple and you could just get there, why do you need to die?

Cristina: That doesn't make sense. Is the Judge.

Jack: Judge doesn't make sense. How do you get in?

Cristina: Unless he was a living dead person and just didn't know it.

Jack: Interest. So in any case, the idea is we have to find Inanna's brother and see what. We gotta really dive into him and.

Cristina: Find out what the stories they have about him does.

Jack: Can we find that the Judge has died? That's the reality of the matter. Can we find if the Judge has died?

Cristina: I think. I think we will find. Because if he has one weird story, I'm sure there's other weird stories he's involved in.

Jack: But then that brings up a really, really, really exaggeratedly interesting question that we didn't cross at any moment.

Cristina: What's that?

Jack: The Judge is the third necromancer. Fourth.

Cristina: Fourth Jesus?

Jack: No, he's like fifth Jesus, Merlin, Santa Patrick, the Judge, and Hermes number six.

Cristina: Oh, Hermes. Yeah.

Jack: Six necromancers in all of history.

Cristina: I would think so. I think so. I think we're on to something.

Jack: So. So then the question is, is the judge a necromancer?

Cristina: He might be even one of them. Like, we don't know. They all live such long lives.

Jack: I know. It's so weird, bro. It's so weird. There's some timeline distortions in this whole narrative. That's f*****. Some people go millions, some people go hundreds of thousands.

Cristina: So many different lies. We know Jesus had so many lives. Like, he wasn't just the Jesus in that place, but he was the whatever in that other place and the whatever in that other place.

Jack: Yeah, but this lives is an exaggeration because we're talking about.

Cristina: No, he was still living one life.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like not even that far apart. We're talking like he was here a couple of months. He was there a couple.

Cristina: Yes, but like that. They all seem to have that type of thing of like, I'm gonna pretend to be this person over there and I don't think.

Jack: I don't. The. The dialogue you're using, I think is incorrect. I don't think it's pretending. I think we're talking about him going to different places where people speak different languages and they're using their interpretation of what his name would be.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so he lands at a different name and they're using their words to describe him, which is why the words aren't exactly the same, but they're so similar. If we were to paint the picture, he would look the same.

Cristina: Yeah. So this guy could just be someone else that we've met before and we just don't know it.

Jack: Interesting, interesting, interesting. You believe the judge could just be one of these other guys?

Cristina: Like, who knows? Because it's so rare that it would happen. To imagine that this is just another one, it's harder to believe.

Jack: Yeah. But it's also equally hard to believe. Yeah. It's like to imagine he's another one is really hard. And to imagine he's some casual who just enters the shadow realm is even more. Yes. Now here's something that we do have to look at though, because now thinking about it, he can't be a necromancer. He can't be. At least not in a way he's aware of, because he was shocked by the entrance. He had discovered it and was like, what the f***? And then he told his sister and he was like, it's the craziest thing. And she was like, show me. And then that's how they found the kingdom on the other side. He, you know, he became homies as he went through.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So he wasn't a necromancer, at least knowingly. If he was, he maybe stumbled upon a process or something.

Cristina: Probably some story. There's other things, though, that they rarely talk about. Like the plants and the app, the fruits and, you know, things like that.

Jack: There are other ways.

Cristina: So rare. But, like, humans don't interact.

Jack: Like, really.

Cristina: Yes. Like, he might have found one of those things.

Jack: You're totally right. So the science is very likely the fruit hard. You gotta go to the shadow room to do it.

Cristina: Yeah. But, like, there are things that exists that just don't get talked about because.

Jack: Like, plants are on this side and.

Cristina: They'Re, like, heavily guarded. So if he stumbled upon it.

Jack: Not the flower. The flower wasn't. The flower is just a flower.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The flower was not heavily guarded. In fact, the mention we got of it was just somebody figured out that this could do that.

Cristina: Yeah. So, like, he could.

Jack: Maybe that's flowers in more places, but we can't tell it apart from something else. Oh, it's just a flower. But if we saw it and we knew what it was, we can consume it and without. Because we know that adrenochrome is the addictive one. But there are other things. Adrenochrome comes in three parts. It's ichor, it's ambrosia, and it's the literal liquid of nectar. Those are the three states. What is it? Ambrosia is the little organs that are adrenochrome dense. And then there is the. What is ambrosia? There is ichor, which is distilled. It's after it's been consumed. Yeah, it's the blood. I mean, they're all blood, but after it's been distilled, somebody consumed adrenochrome. And now you take the blood of a person who's consumed adrenochrome, and it sort of went through a process.

Cristina: Vampirism.

Jack: And then there is the. Not ambrosia. Nectar, which is just liquid. It's drinking the blood. It's just drinking the blood. It's Jesus's preferred form. But although Jesus is very known for both. He likes ambrosia, he likes to consume the individual, and he likes to drink their blood, too.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or at least he's discovered is the most efficient combination. It doesn't look like he did ichor, but it looks like he gave people ichor.

Cristina: Yes. He loved sharing it.

Jack: Yes. Now, interesting point. The descriptions. I didn't think about this until right now. The descriptions that we went through about ichor, ambrosia and nectar make it seem like ichor is the valuable one because people who are normal can take it and die. It's super strong. But Jesus was giving people ick. Ichor, not adrenochrome or ambrosia. He was giving himself.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To them, which is ichor. Even if it's his flesh, that would look like ambrosia. No, he had adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even if it's his blood that you would call nectar. No, he had adrenochrome. Everything he's given you is actually ichor.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Nobody's as powerful as Jesus. The combination of ambrosia and nectar is stronger than the distilled ichor, which is both of them together. And he was giving his blood as high up on the totem pole as you can get. And still ichor was not as good. Is it because who he is, he can just do it with these two and be as powerful and like somebody having something stronger can't catch up? Or is it that there is an actual better combination to be had with ichor and. Well, I mean, with nectar and ambrosia, then there is to be had with ichor. And he knows the trick to it.

Cristina: He probably knows the trick to it.

Jack: Well, he's also a unique being. Why wouldn't it be the other? Why wouldn't it be that? Just. It doesn't matter what anybody else consumes. He's always going to be spirit.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know my point?

Cristina: We don't know what he is is very unique. Yeah.

Jack: Very special. So, yeah, just, you know, food for thought. Okay, next on the list, we have. It's weird about those disembodied voices, by the way.

Cristina: So you heard those disembodied verses.

Jack: Yeah, we heard children and we heard voices. I never saw the kids. But you remember we were hearing kids laugh.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: By the way, important detail. This just so happens to be on the road to paradise.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which is where we heard the kids.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's why I was saying that this is, like, personal.

Cristina: Yeah, that's.

Jack: This is right on the road to paradise, where this has been reported, which is where we were when we heard the kids laughing. Well, first we heard the laughter and we couldn't make it out. And then we pulled on the side where the car just stopped turning on, and then we just started hearing.

Cristina: What is the car turning up or is that something else? I will talk about in the future.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. That was a weird one. I looked when. Because of hearing the disembodied voices. It made me think about the car turning off. And then I was like, when has this happened? And there aren't mentions of this anywhere. This is just a weird thing that happened. It could have just been that our car was s*******. That was weird time. It was a weird timing. Yes, but, like, what weird timing?

Cristina: What we are timing, I don't understand.

Jack: Like, I can't explain it. But then the other thing is, let's. Let's have a quick. Maybe we're not gonna make it to the end of this. And this part alone is gonna be too. But we have to address this next point because I think I'm about to say something that's gonna make a lot of sense here. We hear the kids laugh. We hear laughter. We get on the dirt road. We pull up to the side just to scare the guys, lower the windows. We start to hear kids actually laughing. We're like, oh, f***. Like we were just f****** around, bros. F*** this. We put the windows up, trying to turn the car on. Wasn't turning on. We finally get the car on and we drive into paradise. Do you remember what happens next?

Cristina: You see a sign.

Jack: Yeah. Deaf children.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then the. The. The F is slashed and a D is put over it.

Cristina: The children.

Jack: Yeah, but that's not even the important part. What happens in paradise?

Cristina: That's all I remember.

Jack: You don't remember what happens when we drive into paradise?

Cristina: You hear more children. No.

Jack: We tried to get out of paradise and we can't.

Cristina: Oh, yes. I don't know. Okay. Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: It's like you never remember anything I needed to remember. Not once. It's horrible. But we enter paradise and then we can't get out of paradise. Paradise is where we hear children. Paradise is where we hear laughter. Paradise is where the dead children sign is. Where did we enter when we went to paradise?

Cristina: Where did you enter? Some type of loop. Some type of time thing.

Jack: What else looks like a physical place on this side and is not supposed to be because it's a jumbled mess that somebody on this side wouldn't be able to navigate.

Cristina: I know I should know. I don't know.

Jack: I don't understand. What happens in your mind? Obviously the shadow realm, girl. It's the only thing that looks like a physical. I'm gonna just stop trying to get you guessing. It doesn't work ever. I just got to Tell you, showing you doesn't work. The shadow realm, like everything, its description is literally a physical earth place that looks like a jumbled mess of an example of a physical earth place. I don't know. I got to explain this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That is what it is. And we enter, we see distortions, we hear distortions and turning. Or we drove straight. We turn around and we're trying to drive straight out and the exit's gone weird. That sounds like the shadow realm. Now how the f*** would we have entered? Second, it looked absolutely normal to us. So could it have been?

Cristina: It could just be the whole veil example thing of like you're just. You're seeing it, but you're not actually in it. Like they're seeing you and you're. They're not actually there.

Jack: Then the straight line would have gotten us out.

Cristina: There must have been something messing with you as well. Like an actual thing.

Jack: Right. And how is it gonna change the shadow realm structure or our. How is it gonna change the physical space we're in?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: There's a huge issue right there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We go in, yeah, like three blocks in, do a 180, no turns, drive the same path we got there through. See? None of the same s***. And the f****** dirt road's gone.

Cristina: I don't know. Some of them have abilities. Maybe it was messing with you guys.

Jack: And we take hella turns through paradise. When we took no turns, we take mad turns in paradise trying to find our way out. And somewhere in a different corner entirely, we find a dirt road again. And then we find our way out after like 20 minutes of doing circles when we had only gone in a straight line, turned around, tried to do the same straight line back and just dead end, no road. So what was that? I've thought about that following some of this research, and I'm like, man, this.

Cristina: Isn'T match up with anything.

Jack: Doesn't match with anything. This is easily the shadow realm. Minus the fact that it couldn't be. Because how the f***. Unless these descriptions of the shadow realm, we are taking them too literally. And it's not a non physical place. We did see a jumbled mess of something we had just looked at that looked normal.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We saw the same place jumbled up.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Nothing else changed except we couldn't navigate it. And it seemed bigger after we'd gone in.

Cristina: Soon as you got scared, as soon as the car. As the kid, children and the car.

Jack: As soon as it all. Yes, we fell into something. Right.

Cristina: Fear happened. This really overwhelming fear probably happened at that moment for all.

Jack: From all four of us at the same time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then we panic, go on the road, and then we slip in. But then the argument would be, you don't need adrenochrome and Jesus did. There's something wrong here. There's a contradiction still going on.

Cristina: Because I don't think you're really in it, though.

Jack: I don't think so either. So then. Okay, so then what you're talking about might be the logical path that maybe even the judge didn't.

Cristina: Yeah, he saw. He saw a glimpse of it, or they.

Jack: He was literally interacting with people on the other side. And he met Ixchel, which then came out and went to Maya. They were literally something is. But we're onto something now because if we. You're totally right. All of this followed the fear. Let's recount the story. We drive in first. We see the guy in the robe, a black guy essentially walking around in a KKK robe. Weirdest sight ever. Okay. With a machete or a shotgun. Nobody was clear on which one he was holding. Everybody had a different story. We get far enough, we see the deer cut open. Okay. Panic, you know, Everybody like, what the f***? Yeah, we get far enough, we hear the laughter. We try to scare the guys, end up scaring ourselves because we hear the kids. We take the dirt road and suddenly the s*** spins out of control and we're nowhere. But we're everywhere. Because the one road we took disappeared and now we're just in this mess and we can't get out. And then the road showed up somewhere else entirely. Maybe you're right and we're just seeing it because again, it doesn't make sense that they could see us and we can't see them. I think it's a notch where the more you turn it, the more both sides are close together. Not one side to this side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we're slowly more and more seeing.

Cristina: But you're not physically there. I'm not physically there seeing.

Jack: Now, in this instance, there is an interesting. This contradiction could then be resolved because when they're talking about the shadow or on being a non physical place, they are talking about getting there non physically through fear, through these other means that allows you to interact with that space without entering that space.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, okay. Yes.

Jack: And then there's a way to actually enter and be in the space which requires totally different means. In this scenario now we can apply the things that we didn't mention about necromancers. What are they really good at? Even if they don't cross. They're good at bridging communication. They're good at bringing things from that side over. They're good at interacting with things on that side, even if they don't go in. So they know how to turn the dial that allows them to f*** with things on that side without being on that side, which I would argue is stronger, more overpowered than having to be on that side. Additionally, if you have a Philosopher's Stone that has the ability to violate those rules, could you, in theory, use the Philosopher's Stone to make a sort of external shell that would allow you to enter without falling apart? Hence their ability to traverse and not be simultaneously. Like a suit made of. Think of Green Lantern puts the ring on and a green energy goes over his body. And now he can manipulate this energy. What if what's happening that's happens with the Philosopher's Stone? And I could use the Philosopher's Stone, create this energy around me, and just slip into the Shadow Realm without needing adrenochrome. Without the energy, I would just die over there or pop up over here, but I can literally be there without consuming adrenochrome. Now, Jesus didn't have Philosopher's stones. He went to acquire them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now we have a reason why he needs to die.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Maybe he didn't know how to make it. As overpowered as he is, he went to acquire them. Different.

Cristina: That's so weird that he didn't know how to. Because he knew how to make the Gates. The person who taught him how to make the Gates would know how to make it. Make a philosopher stone. Yeah, well, maybe Jesus wasn't into having to mass murder people.

Jack: Yeah. And he knew these things already exist. Let them kill me and I'll go get the stones, because I'm gonna be fine.

Cristina: Yeah. Mm. He just. He's just different.

Jack: He's just different. He. Look, he. His. Everybody who's ever talked about him said the same thing. He was preaching kindness the whole time. Regardless of what they saw him do or how they saw him do it. A lot of people were like, he did some pretty diabolical looking s***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But attached to that, did he hurt anybody? Well, no, he did a bunch of diabolical s***. But he kind of just told us all to be kind to each other.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like fair.

Cristina: He's making an army. And his army aren't being forced to be his army. They're choosing to be his army. Whether it's from the Shadow Realm or it's us humans.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And you're just, we're on his side. They're on his side.

Jack: I mean, when your argument is be kind and stop anybody who's not, it's like, f***. I mean, yeah, bro. And look, I'll give you powers to do it. Oh, s***. You're gonna give me powers to be kind and stop anybody who's not. That's.

Cristina: The only people he wants to get rid of are the sea people, though. Like, that's clear.

Jack: And like, let's be fair as we've dug in deep into this, like, kind of. Yeah. It makes sense. Look, even if Jehovah's on the side of the people, like, you guys just ultimately only want them alive so you can keep running experiments.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You're like, don't let the civilization fall apart. We need to kill them for stones.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, so ultimately that puts us back on Lucifer side. Right? Where he's like, give them tech so they could reach us. You're gonna kill them anyways.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Let those that can do it do it.

Cristina: Except that they couldn't.

Jack: Doesn't matter if they're gonna be massacred anyways. To make a stone. Give somebody a chance.

Cristina: Yeah, that's true. Okay.

Jack: This is all right, dude. I understand why the. The Lucifer, Jehovah problem is huge. Because it's, like, flopping back and forth.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: One of these guys is somehow right, or it's so nuanced that they're both right and wrong.

Cristina: Yes. I think that's more the most truthful.

Jack: Because in Jehovah's eyes, they're gonna die anyways, bro. I'm like, let's give them purpose. Let's let them their lives be used to improve the world. While Lucifer's argument is give them the choice. Let them choose what happens if it collapses. It was their choice, not yours.

Cristina: Yes. It's pretty good.

Jack: Like, f***, give them purpose. They're ignorant. Both of them are on point. Give them purpose. They are ignorant and they're gonna self destruct. Don't let them die meaninglessly. You give them this technology. They can't handle it. They will die meaninglessly and haven't gotten nothing. Which we see many relics from civilizations that are kind of Lucifer's fault. But he gave them a chance to make their choice. Jehovah is all about taking that choice.

Cristina: Away because he thinks that's safer.

Jack: He thinks it's better and more noble. Use them for something that they would be proud of. If they looked back. If they looked back a thousand years and thought, oh, I died in this moment, but all of human history improved because of my sacrifice. They would. His logic at least is they'd be happy.

Cristina: And what is Jesus point of view?

Jack: F*** both of them. Both of them. Don't give people technology so that they blow up and kill themselves and don't sacrifice people. Leave them alone.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which, like, okay, when? That's the third argument. Kind of f*** those two other guys. Yeah, that's legit. We can move slowly. It's fine. We don't need to f****** flash forward a million years instantly and then collapse because we couldn't deal with it. And we don't need some other guy sacrificing us to accomplish the same f****** thing. Yes, maybe f*** both of them and just let people do what they're gonna do if we kill ourselves.

Cristina: At least it was us.

Jack: At least it was us. No interference.

Cristina: Yeah, okay.

Jack: In that argument. Yeah. Jesus.

Cristina: Oh, all right.

Jack: It's a lot of sides and, like, nobody's right or wrong until you put Jesus in the mix. And I was like, well, that m************ are wrong.

Cristina: Yeah, well, yeah, he's pro human, so.

Jack: He'S pro human regardless. Even if the other two are technically pro human. It's a lot like leftists trying to decrease criminal sentences for people who. A black judge gave them a really large sentence and then they go to prison for this really long time. But leftists are like, that's unjust and blah, blah, blah. And then they go ahead and force a different judge to decrease the sentence and the guy gets out of prison and he gets murdered a week later. And then we truly go and talk to the people who understand, not just feel like they're gonna help. Oh, I want to help. I want to help. But you're ignorant. You're stupid. You don't know the situation. We go and talk to somebody on ground level. Well, the judge is families of the gang that's in the prison, and that guy is a neighborhood friend. He increased the sentence so that he goes to that prison specifically and is protected there. He was gonna stay alive in prison. You guys got him out and he got killed. That's Jehovah and Lucifer being helpful leftists.

Cristina: Jehovah and Lucifer or Peter trying to save animals but then killing dogs.

Jack: Yes. The same logic of, you're not being helpful, you're just thinking you're being helpful.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that's a very leftist ideology. So we can just throw Lucifer and Jehovah in the leftists and say, you're kind of ignorant. You think you're helping, but you're not on the ground level. Knowing what the people want.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You go to Jesus. Jesus is just asking people. Yeah. He's just like, I know why that guy went to prison on a really high sentence. He asked a judge for it. And you ignorant f**** don't know that Jesus is the guy who knows. He talks to the people. He's like, what do you guys want? Well, we just want to live our lives.

Cristina: He was forced to be with the people.

Jack: Yes. That's. That's literally Jehovah and Lucifer's fault.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: They made the problem that stopped them.

Cristina: Yes. That's really interesting.

Jack: They literally made him in a labor, and then they were like, f*** that guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And threw him to the people.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So the people were like, well, he's one of us, and he grew up as one of them. And they treated him right until. Who f***** him? The f****** people working with the Elysians.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: The Church came after him, huh? Even more incentive. F*** that. Let's work these a******* into my plan so I can f*** him more.

Cristina: Beautiful.

Jack: LinkedIn. Yeah. Sacrifice me. Totally, man. Kill me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he enters and goes. He took it from Lucifer, bro. Even if these two guys didn't agree, they were still eye to eye on the people. We need them for something. He just used Jehovah and his disdain for Lucifer. Got himself killed to enter, rob Lucifer, and then get back to Earth Realm knowing these two guys aren't gonna work together.

Cristina: No. Yeah, I guess.

Jack: Divide and conquer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: F****** 3D chess, bro. I mean, 4D chess.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay. Weird one. I didn't know this next one originated here. I was looking to see if this came from somewhere else, but this actually comes from the New England era of the United States, which is. The Headless Horseman is a New Jersey Clinton Road thing.

Cristina: Yeah, it is.

Jack: I had no f****** idea that that originated over here.

Cristina: Yeah, it did.

Jack: In fact, I would have thought that this was, like, an Eng type of ghost.

Cristina: There's a lot of ghosts that actually were from around here.

Jack: Yeah. No, we are in weird land.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We're in a really hot spot.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Weird. New Jersey is legit.

Cristina: It is it. That's why.

Jack: Yeah. No, we are in some crazy hotspot. I had no idea. I thought the Headless Horseman was significantly older and, like, by default had to be some, like, European thing. Yeah, no, that is just a Jersey thing.

Cristina: It's a Jersey thing. Yeah.

Jack: It got taken and showed up in a million places. But, no, that's. That's us. That's a Jersey thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, this is described as a humanoid that looks kind of like a shadow that doesn't seem to have a head in the way we would describe. And he's on something that we would compare to a horse, but doesn't necessarily look like a horse. This tells us a couple of things. It's a jinn of some sort. And he looks kind of human, but he wouldn't look perfectly human. That makes no sense.

Cristina: So it's a creature from somewhere else writing a creature from somewhere else.

Jack: It would be the people of the shadow realm, the gym, and whatever their horse equivalent is.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And based on everything else we know of the area. Now, there's a weird one. He doesn't f*** with people. Doesn't f*** with people. He's just not an echo. He is responsive. And here's the weird thing about this, right? People have yelled at him, and he'll stop and look like, turn his torso.

Cristina: Towards him and just gonna say, like, how.

Jack: You know, just turn and, like, wait. Like, he's just a dude. It seems like just a dude.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And he's like, okay. They, you know, people from the other side saw me. Let's, you know, let them have their moment or whatever. I'll stop here and let them roll by. Oh, they saw ghosts, whatever.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And it's like, it looks like he's not f****** with people. He's not doing it. He's just there and people see him. People have, oh, my God. The headless. And then he just, you know, he'll stop and kind of behaves like a. Like if he's a tourist attraction.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, like, yeah, they're looking at me. Let me stop. And so he's very known for just stopping. He's very known for, like, approaching. But this. These descriptions are where it gets very informative because this falls in line with all the other things we saw of the things that interact. If you look at the truck, if you look at the children, proximity makes them vanish. But in his description, it's something very different. What, he gets close and gets more translucent. Yeah. So, like, really far away. It looks like whatever particles hold him together are denser together. But the closer he gets is like. If you were shrinking and looking at atoms more and more, everything would kind of look more far apart, more far apart. If you were the size of an atom, you wouldn't see two things touching ever. There'd be no body. There's no such thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Sort of that same thing. The closer he gets, the more through him. You could see.

Cristina: What does that mean, though?

Jack: I don't know. So when he's maybe 20ft away, he's so hard to make out. But he's there, and you know he's there. It's like closer than that, you know, you can't tell he's there anymore, but he's not. And that's closest. F***. By the way, 20ft is nuts. But. So he's fully aware you're there. And, you know, he. I did it. I tried to find if maybe his voices come from him or if he waves or something, like the kids. Yeah, none of that. But he is fully aware that people come through.

Cristina: You know, just sense that he. He notices you.

Jack: He. Well, people see him, and I guess he would hear them or see them himself. Because if we assume that there's a notch and you see him as much as he sees you, then he's aware. There's one road. There's one road. Anybody who is on the other side and wants to interact with humans, they know where the humans are. They're on the road.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so it really. These descriptions. Not that anywhere says what I'm saying, that he's behaving like a tourist attraction. But if you were to tell me to describe what's happening, he's behaving like a tourist attraction. He knows all those people entertained, want to be scared or whatever. I'm not gonna scare them too much because there are things out here.

Cristina: But he does like that fear. Probably a little bit.

Jack: Maybe he does cruise by the road. Honest.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Quote horse unquote. But he doesn't mess with people and he doesn't chase people or anything. It just. Maybe he's just interested in humans. And it's like, oh, cool spot where you can see humans. You know, it's possible.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which would. It totally has to be. I'm thinking the kids. There's no park there. I think the kids just like playing close to the road because they might see humans.

Cristina: Yeah. It might still be the fear thing of like, oh, we're gonna get something out of here, even if we're not gonna try anything. But we just know just being here.

Jack: Just being here, we'll see them, we'll.

Cristina: See them and we'll get something.

Jack: I don't think it's about getting something. I think it's about. Because why they're not getting anything. You use the fear to get to this side to then get adrenochrome. They're not doing anything. They're not getting to the side to hurt People, they're just kind of chilling there. The kids are just chilling there. Yeah, the horseman's just chilling there.

Cristina: And the trucker guy.

Jack: The trucker guy's with people.

Cristina: He's.

Jack: He's looking for something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I think that guy was from this side. It's a truck. Yeah, that guy was from this side. And he just doesn't want to lose it. And he's like, I'd rather they lose it than me. But the kids don't have that. They just. Kids and they wave and, you know, hey, cool, whatever.

Cristina: And the horse, man.

Jack: The horseman is the same. He's just, you know, they're cool people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's weird, but there are peaceful ghosts here. I'm not even ghosts. They're just gin, man.

Cristina: But he's from that specific area. He's not from somewhere else in New Jersey. He's from Clinton Road.

Jack: Literally, from Clinton Road. It looks like there is on the other side, some civilization.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's possible that that civilization is based on paradise, because that's where the jumbled mess began. On the flip side. On the flip side, there have been stories of people going on a straight line. There's nothing but Clinton Road as long as you don't turn.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And somehow leaving how they came in. So it could just somehow turn on you.

Cristina: Clinton Road.

Jack: Clinton Road. People have gone in a straight line 10 miles before you exit back to lights. People have gone in one line.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And found the exit through which they came in.

Cristina: That's right.

Jack: Without ever turning. So fear could be f****** with the surroundings.

Cristina: Okay. There is something just weird, naturally, about.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Clinton Road itself.

Jack: And so because we went to a place with mad turns, even if we didn't take a turn, we multiply the fact that you can go in a straight line and exit the same entrance by the fact that there's like 30 turns in paradise. And now we have a road that could be anywhere.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Very strange. Now, this next one is very literal because people describe it as this way, which is shadow people. Everything else they have not described as shadow people. This one, they literally use the word shadow people. Dark, human like figures seen darting between the trees, often in peripheral vision, which. Yes, that's just shadow people.

Cristina: That's great.

Jack: The thing is, this is the most reported sighting of something that seems to be responsive people. Look, they scatter away. I think there's a civilization. I think that that area has. And I think, based on what we're reading right now and what you said, that maybe the experiment isn't even in the future. Maybe it was on the other side.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And it seems like there's a civilization on the other side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It could just be something that happened, you know, not even that long ago.

Cristina: It just happens over there.

Jack: Just happens over there. Could be. Doesn't have to be in the future. Could just be on the other side. It's folding everything together.

Cristina: Yes. And they just see shadow people.

Jack: Just shadow people casually running around, just living life. Okay. Pine Baron's Devil. Occasional sightings of a creature resembling the Jersey Devil in the denser parts of the forest. And that's very simply a creature from the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: But is it the same? They're saying it's like the other one. It's not the same as the Jersey Devil.

Jack: They're saying it's almost identical.

Cristina: It's almost identical.

Jack: It might be the same creature type and, like, be in a different area.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: No, that's the least weird thing here. I think it's just a creature. It's like seeing a wetchange or some s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, oh, my God, it's a demon. It's like. I mean, that's as close as raw. Nicka Run.

Cristina: It's just wild animal somewhere else.

Jack: Like a really wide. It's like if you see a wet shudge, that's like coming across a grizzly bear.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Get those f*** out. No. H*** no. Get the f*** out of there. That s***'ll flip your car, bro. Eyes in the darkness. This is definitely, most likely gin. Again, the glowing eyes. These are just probably. We're seeing light glares on Jinn and we just so happen to be seeing the Djinn simultaneously. My idea is described as glowing eyes watching from the woods at night.

Cristina: That's pretty creepy. But yeah. Yeah.

Jack: If it's just being observed and you're seeing through the thin veil and they're looking at you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Unseen forces which are. Again, feeling like one is being pushed or pulled. And that's. That could just easily be things coming through, walking by. And like in parts where the veil is thin but still not perfectly gone so that you can like, oh, wow, something just pushed me to the side. Oh, my God. There's something out here messing. And they're just walking by, but they don't see you. You don't see them, and you just touch and you're like, what the was that?

Cristina: I think that's. That's a good thing.

Jack: And it's actually one of the most described things happening. And it always happens on the main road. Anybody Gets out of their vehicle for any reason, they're usually like, what the.

Cristina: You didn't go out on the main road?

Jack: Yes, I didn't feel as though.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: We got out of the car. I got out of the car to look at the deer. I got out of the car to see why the car wasn't turning on. And I got out of the weeds. I just don't give a. If I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die. It is what it is.

Cristina: But you didn't see any eyes, though.

Jack: I didn't see any eyes. I saw the deer, the black guy in the KKK outfit. I saw the. I heard the children separate to the laughter. That wasn't necessarily children.

Cristina: Yeah, but you didn't see whatever.

Jack: No, I didn't see eyes, didn't see shadows or any of that stuff.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But the weird moving roads and changing turns, that's pretty strange. And the fact that all of us saw that is weird. Minus Nunez, because from Nunez point of view, it was. We were just sitting and he just saw all of us go catatonic for a moment, which is. His story is worse than all of our stories. Yes, we all experience being somewhere, but now we have to unpack this because he says we pull over and we never get. We. He never saw the dirt road. He never saw paradise. We pull over, the car doesn't turn on. And from his point of view, all of us just sat there and thought really hard about what to do for a while. From our point of view, while that was happening, how the f*** do we get out of this mess we're in? Meanwhile, he's the only quiet one with us. We're just thinking, you know, nuna doesn't fear things. He's a special kind of person. He doesn't feel fear the way we do. So, you know, he's just quiet, watching us scramble.

Cristina: I don't know. That changes everything.

Jack: That changes everything because this falls into what you were saying about the judge. Did the judges go unconscious somewhere and his. Some other thing was in the shadow realm? Yes, because he says, we were just frozen in place, thinking. We say, bro, we were lost for like 30 minutes, homie. What do you mean you saw nothing? The three of us versus the one of you, bro, this is a different argument you're having.

Cristina: But is he right?

Jack: But is he right?

Cristina: I don't know. That's. That's really good. I don't know. That's so strange. That's just so out there. I don't know.

Jack: It's f****** Weird, bro. It's really strange. I don't know what to. There's a lot of complications here.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Here is something that I believe is the veil thinning, which is melting trees that appear to melt or distort adding to the surreal landscape. I think this is just sort of the warped nature of the shadow realm being seen on this side. I think that's just areas where the notch is way turned up and we're just seeing what that side looks like.

Cristina: That's pretty cool.

Jack: My note for that was just likely trees in the shadow realm different than the wandering shadows in the forest. There are eerie shadows that move independent of sound, independent of structure, and independent of physical motion. This is strange because what they mean by independent of normal physical motion is they can go vertically and horizontally but in a walking human fashion.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like they'll just be walking and sort of like walking up into the sky suddenly.

Cristina: Because they're probably going up a building or something.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: We just can't see it.

Jack: We don't see the building. We see the shadow.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because they're the living thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we don't see the structure.

Cristina: Kind of makes sense. Yeah.

Jack: Wow.

Cristina: It's weird. It would be weird to see, but it might make sense over there.

Jack: Yes. Informed enough. It's not disturbing to us because it seems like. Yeah, there's probably a structure there that we can't interact with. And it's just going up some stairs or something.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not that crazy. Okay.

Jack: Which then goes and supports again that there's buildings here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which supports that there's a civilization in around Clinton Road. Shifting paths. Which is the problem we faced.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that is the literal story I was getting to about people going in a straight line and then exiting directly where they came straight through. That's shifting paths.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Us entering Paradise Road. Paradise Road disappearing behind us. And us just being in Paradise Town and not finding the road horrifying. Until it's suddenly just, hey, it's somewhere else apparently. Let's exit. And somehow it still took us to Clinton Road back. It's like this was. We didn't take any turns. We took a turn to get here now. And it still took us to the same place. What the f***?

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. Yeah.

Jack: Mysterious footprints.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: Footprints that just begin and stop in the middle of a trail without a beginning point or an ending point. I think this just falls into more shadow realm stuff.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Maybe this is a spot where the notch is particularly turned up and we can start to see them literally affecting our physical space. And then they get. Get far from whatever's causing that anomaly. And then we no longer see the footprints. They kept walking on their side, didn't just disappear on their end, but the veil is thinner, is more tight elsewhere. And it's thinner in this spot.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that's my theory for that.

Cristina: I think so. It's not that crazy.

Jack: I think this next one falls a lot with the kids, which is ghostly campers which seem to be around the road. These people just hanging around the road, camping. You oftentimes even see tents. Apparitions in campers setting up tents around fires near the road. But they don't look human.

Cristina: They don't look human.

Jack: They look like shadows. Even with light present weird. And proximity. When somebody goes to see these campers, they aren't there anymore. Even with the fire burning. You get closer and the fire itself starts to dim, dim, dim until there's nothing camping. I think they're camping by the sea. I think they're being just as much as we're on this side. Oh, Clinton Road. This attraction, Horseman's Traveling. The kids are chilling there because it's entertaining and fun. People are camping by this road.

Cristina: Yes. I wonder if they see ghosts like we see echoes. Like, it's still an interesting spot to hunt for echoes or find echoes to them.

Jack: Maybe they're finding the same thing. Yeah. Distortions from their path.

Cristina: Yeah. Like they think that's as cool as we find it cool. And that's why we go there.

Jack: 100. It could totally 1000% be based on these comparisons. There are people just chilling here, trying to see the same things we're doing.

Cristina: Yeah. So, yeah. It's probably even weirder. Whatever they're seeing is probably even weirder than what we're saying.

Jack: I mean, maybe not for them. Maybe like, you know, we hear about ghosts and, oh, my God, this place is haunted. And we see an old guy pushing a wheelbarrow and it's like, all right, well, they see a wet shud, John. A loop. And it's like, to us, I would look nuts. But to them it's just like, oh, yeah, the echo of the wolf. You know, the wolf died.

Cristina: Entertaining enough for them to want to hang out in that spot, though.

Jack: Yeah. They're trying to get themselves scared.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like, oh, wow. Cool.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: It feels. It really, really just feels like they're people, bro. Like they're really gin. Even in text. Seem to just be people.

Cristina: I think so over there. Yes.

Jack: They're not bad people. There are bad people. There are some who are bad, but we got humans who are bad.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You know? Yes. There's a dude in a truck also. I would argue that guy's just a human on that side.

Cristina: Possibly.

Jack: Yeah. The truck part kind of makes that argument pretty strong.

Cristina: Yeah, I think so.

Jack: Yeah, exactly like the truck. They're not building trucks over there, bro. Come on. And then the final note on this is the floating lanterns, which again supports this again of. They're usually by the road in the woods.

Cristina: They're just hanging out.

Jack: Just hanging out, bro. They're chilling, they're seeing, they're doing what we're doing. Except they don't have cars. That's it. They're just doing what we're doing.

Cristina: Yeah, that's just them hanging out, I think. Yeah. There's weird stuff happening over there. Like over here. Yes. And so it's an attraction to them too.

Jack: Now, a random point to toss in about my personal experience with, with the guy in the robe. I thought he had a machete, not a shotgun. And what we saw was a deer open. If that deer was horrified enough. And this guy knew what he was doing. He was trying to get to the other side, wasn't he? He was by himself trying to get.

Cristina: To the other side and he just killed some s***.

Jack: And he opened it. He wasn't covered in blood. It was just opened. Yeah, this guy probably took some organs out, Ambros. Just spitballing. I don't know. But you're in the right place.

Cristina: You're in the right place for sure.

Jack: You're in the right place. If ever there was a maybe you're just trying to communicate. We know that the Vikings did that. They consumed a crap ton until they started hearing voices. And then those voices started guiding them and they turned it into a place that they could just casually walk there and interact with, quote the gods, unquote. Yes, the gods knew where to go and they knew where to go to just effortlessly interact with one another. Which, by the way, in theory, we could still do that today. We would just require killing a s*** ton of people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But in theory, we could have a perfect, in sync, one to one communication with the other side. And I think we don't need to make it. I think maybe that exists somewhere in Clinton Road already and that somebody might know it. You know where I think it is, and I think we all think it's in the same f****** place. It's in the castle.

Cristina: Okay. Are we gonna get to the Castle.

Jack: We're gonna get to that castle.

Cristina: Okay, cool.

Jack: Yeah. The next part is about three times as long as these two parts and is the one I called significant. These are the things that are obviously something to look at. Everything else we talked about in this episode and last episode. Interesting.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And for last episode. Yeah, for last episode was definitely the most important because we got things to look at. For this side, there's less to look at, although there's still some things to look at. Mainly not things here. But what this made us think of. Yes, next time, I believe 100% of that we have to look at, but we'll get to that. Anyways, as usual, if you guys have any input, any additional information or anything you could think about, feel free to contact us about it.

Cristina: Tell us.

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Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal. Thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: Sam.

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June 15, 2024

Rambling 277: The Winchester House

June 15, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who was Sarah Lockwood? What is the Winchester House? And what purpose does any of this serve? The duo go back to investigating individual cases and crack open the case of the Winchester House. A mysterious and strange mansion with odd circumstances surrounding it. The discovery made turns out to be more relevant than could have ever been anticipated!!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Sarah Lockwood
Geometric Patterns
Mazes
William Winchester
The Seance Room

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. How have you been?

Cristina: Hot.

Jack: It's been hot. You know, the Earth has been hotter. Hotter than usual. Too Hot. It's been painfully hot, I would say.

Cristina: Painfully hot.

Jack: Yeah. It's been global warming, except not because it's climate change. And some places are technically colder. Okay, so rephrasing it to climate change. We're changing the climate. Except we're not, because the climate is always changing. This has nothing to do with anything. I am just ranting. All right, anyways, so I have some images for you to look at, and I want you to just describe what you're seeing in these images, okay?

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: This is just how we're going to start it.

Jack: This is just how we're going to start it. I want you to look at some image of cosas.

Cristina: If I don't know what I'm looking.

Jack: At, that's totally fine. Go ahead and describe to everybody what you're looking at.

Cristina: A big house.

Jack: Describe this big house.

Cristina: It kind of looks like a puzzle type of house because it's all over the place.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: So just boxes here and there. Look at that one down there. Unless. Is that a car? No, that's a house.

Jack: No, this is. That's a room. Yeah. No, this is big. You're looking at something here.

Cristina: It looks like there's a maze in the house. Is it the Resident Evil mansion?

Jack: Interesting. Okay, what else do you see? Point other things out.

Cristina: Palm trees. Are those palm trees? I think that's what palm trees look like.

Jack: Yeah, that's a type of palm tree, for sure.

Cristina: The house is yellow with red. Red tops.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: I guess. Except some of them are flat. I don't know. It looks like multiple buildings that are just connected to each other with littler buildings.

Jack: Okay, interesting. Interesting, yes.

Cristina: Something like. I don't know, what's the original house there? And maybe like it was just one house, and then they just added onto it over the years.

Jack: Fascinating. Okay. Okay, keep talking. I like where you're going with this.

Cristina: They have a huge. I don't know, it looks. It's huge. It's huge.

Jack: It is f****** huge. But I think you could also probably identify the original house in there.

Cristina: You think so?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Is it the first. The little first section? You'd guess it would be that.

Jack: The bigger first section, right?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. Although, like, that looks like a complete house right back there. Like, there's the first. The second one. You see that little box there?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That looks like added on stuff, but all the way back there. Looks like a mansion itself.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: But. But it's connected though.

Jack: So. Good guess. Is actually this part and that part that were original.

Cristina: Oh, okay. What?

Jack: That's really on the nose. We'll scroll down to the next one, which is actually a different angle of it.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. It's a bigger mess than you can see. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: The original.

Cristina: That's the original.

Jack: And you can see the back house.

Cristina: Oh, what is this, though? It's huge. It's like five blocks, eight blocks.

Jack: What is it huge? It is one of the largest mansions in the world.

Cristina: Where is it?

Jack: We'll get to that.

Cristina: It has palm trees, but then it has regular trees behind it. So the palm trees were taken there. Like it's not a natural palm tree or. It is.

Jack: No. Oh, okay. Yeah. Wow. Okay. On point. On point. Yes, it is.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Interesting, interesting. Okay, now let's take a look inside. What do you see here? Huh?

Cristina: I don't know. We're looking at a basement. I don't know.

Jack: Right, right. Tell me more about the stairs.

Cristina: Is there something off with the stairs? I don't know.

Jack: You don't see something off about the stairs?

Cristina: I'm not sure. It's the. What's above the stairs? Looks odd. Like we're not. I don't know. No, I don't know. Because that's just doors in the bottom. Right?

Jack: In the bottom?

Cristina: Yeah. Is that not the bottom? The top of the picture is the bottom of the stairs?

Jack: No, that's the top of the stairs.

Cristina: That's the top of the stairs.

Jack: Yeah. You can see because this is a little lift at the bottom of the stairs with the shadow underneath it. Oh.

Cristina: Because it looks like.

Jack: Yeah, no, you're right.

Cristina: It looks weird. It looks like a door. Like you're entering the room.

Jack: Yeah, it looks like a staircase going into a door. But that's the ceiling.

Cristina: That's the ceiling.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: But then how would you. So it's just a hole up there.

Jack: That's not even a door. It just looks like a door.

Cristina: It just looks like a door.

Jack: Yeah, the staircase goes nowhere. That staircase literally has no direction.

Cristina: What is it up there that we're looking at?

Jack: A ceiling.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Designed to look like a door. This is a ceiling.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Okay, here is another Image. What do you see?

Cristina: Another stairs. We're in a. This is some kind of maze. This has to be some kind of maze. I don't understand.

Jack: What are you looking at?

Cristina: It says exit and the stairs. And the stairs are going up to like nothing or a teeny tiny room. I don't know. Is it a tiny room up there?

Jack: Right. And once before the stairs going up.

Cristina: More stairs going up but the other direction.

Jack: So stairs going down.

Cristina: Oh, that stairs going down.

Jack: See, it's going down, its stairs going down, then stairs going up.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess.

Jack: Yeah, that stairs going down, then up again.

Cristina: RV And I don't understand why is there so many stairs? Because it looks like other stairs going up right in the corner. Yeah.

Jack: Stairs up, up and then stairs down. Not sure why.

Cristina: Why? And then is there anything else happening there? I don't know. Is that a window? That's a window, yeah.

Jack: Last one. What do you see in this one?

Cristina: I see a room that's has nothing in it. It has a window that's way small and long. A closet that looks.

Jack: That's not a window, that's a door.

Cristina: Window that up there, that's a window.

Jack: What up. We're here.

Cristina: Yeah, I'm not talking about the door yet.

Jack: No, it's not a window either. Or I guess. Oh, fair enough. Yes, that's a window. That's a window into another room.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. Because. Okay. And the door that's open looks like there's another door behind it. But also it's super high up from the floor.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Like it would be really annoying to get out of the room. And the room is empty for some reason.

Jack: Yes. What else?

Cristina: I'm not sure. Hangers on the wall and I don't know. The closet looks like a normal closet. I don't know. Plus that's just another door to another room.

Jack: An average everyday closet.

Cristina: Yeah, maybe.

Jack: Okay, describe to me what you've just seen. Put it all together in your mind. What's going on?

Cristina: It's. I don't know, someone with too much money and too much time making a maze. It looks like an indoor maze. It looks like Willy Wonka's mansion. It looks like, I don't know, Hogwarts. I don't know what's happening.

Jack: I'm gonna go into more detail. So you saw a maze. How was the maze built? Where does the maze come from? What can you extrapolate just by looking at it?

Cristina: Does it come from now where does it come from?

Jack: Fair enough. But like what what is fresh in your memory about what you just saw? What points stand out? If you were to summarize, having looked at these images, what are your bullet points?

Cristina: Okay. Besides that. It's some type of maze. It was made over time.

Jack: It was made over time because of.

Cristina: All the new parts to it.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Has made it more complicated. Which is probably why there's some stairs that go to no thing and some that go to, I don't know.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Then there's. There's a lot upstairs going nowhere. And for some reason, that one, that last room with a really high upstair step to get out of it. Like why?

Jack: Why Fact.

Cristina: Does someone actually live there? I don't feel like. Like you. There's too much money that you have to be living there.

Jack: Somebody doesn't live there anymore.

Cristina: They were living in there.

Jack: They were living in.

Cristina: Making this mess.

Jack: Yes. So let me begin telling you about what you just saw.

Cristina: Good. What?

Jack: We'll begin at part one. The widow. So let me tell you about this widow Rich.

Cristina: Widow Rich.

Jack: A widow. Her name is Sarah. She goes by Sally. Her last name is Lockwood. And Sarah Lockwood was named after her grandma, you know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Is that important?

Jack: I'm telling you about Sarah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Anything I tell you matters because I'm telling you. So eat it. Whether or not you think it matters, because I don't care if you think it matters.

Cristina: It does matter though.

Jack: It's information.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: About Sarah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Lockwood.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Yeah. And Sarah Lockwood was a widow. Sarah Lockwood became a widow eventually because of the situation that happened. Sarah was born in 1839 in New Haven, Connecticut. The Old west, you know, the American Old West. And Sarah married when she was 62 years. That's not 62 years. Crazy. She was in her 30s. 1862 is what I meant to say. How old was she too? I don't know. Let's find out. She was born in 1839 and she got married in 1862. So she was 30? No, she was 20. What?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She got married at 21. She gave birth to a still, but not a stillborn daughter, but a daughter that died within a year because the life expectancy of the time at that point. Okay, so she had a baby and her baby didn't make it. Sarah's baby had died. And it haunts her because it haunts her psyche because she's traumatized. Question mark.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so her husband had done died. He dropped dead. I guess I should be doing this with a western accent because I'm talking about the old West.

Cristina: How long after the baby?

Jack: I don't know necessarily when she had that baby to begin with. That's just more of a detail about her life. Telling you about Sarah, telling you details.

Cristina: About what was her job. Tell me about something about her, though.

Jack: I'm telling you things about her. Just let me keep revealing things. I told you the details that seem to be relevant to some degree.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Sarah, she, like I told you, been done married. And eventually her husband died. And her husband died in 1881. It wasn't good times for Sarah when he died. Her husband. What the h*** was her husband's name? I done forgot her husband's name. Oh, his name was William.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She was married to a saw William. He wasn't a sir. I'm just saying that because I was cool and fancy. Yeah, he was a Mr. William. Why the did we adopt sirness here in the United States of America?

Cristina: What was his last name?

Jack: His last name is the right question. Finally. His last name is. It's interesting because I figured you would ask his last name. I don't know why I thought you would ask specifically his last name, but I know you would. It's Winchester. His last name is Winchester. Which makes Sarah Lockwood's second last name and thus her entire full name. Sarah Lockwood Winchester. And as you know, the Winchester name has some interesting ideas behind it that have been exploited over time.

Cristina: Gun. There's a gun, right?

Jack: There is a Winchester gun. Yeah, there are. It's a revolver. A Winchester.45 Magnum revolver. The best.45 Magnum revolver.

Cristina: Does that somehow relate to the guy? He is his family. Just his family.

Jack: So this is part of the era where people were named after what they did for a living. And Winchester was the name of the company he worked for. He got his name for working for the Winchester Repeating Arms Company.

Cristina: Oh, okay. And what do they do?

Jack: They sell repeating rifles.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It's the Winchester Repeating Arms Company. I don't know what more specific they tried really to be super absurdly specific with that. Winchester, which is the name of the people. Assuming there was a guy actually named Winchester that's unrelated to this new guy named Winchester because of how norms work back then. No, he's one of them Winchester boys. And that really just meant you worked for the Winchester Company. Okay, now Winchester boys last name. But back then it wasn't. And yeah, so he worked for that place.

Cristina: Did he die from a Winchester gun? How did he die?

Jack: Who cares? He died. He died anyways. When he died, he left his widow, Sarah, with quite the fortune. A lot. A lot of money. So much money. Because he had a pretty big chunk of that company. Was there a while. He's one of the original founders money.

Cristina: So then he wasn't named because of what he does.

Jack: No, he wasn't. He was. He was. He wasn't one of the original founders. I have no idea. He was some guy in the company. But he had a lot of money. And no, he wasn't an original founder's lie.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: And he gave her all that money when he died. And so now Sarah Lockwood Winchester is loaded and she gets arthritis.

Cristina: She joins the call.

Jack: And when she gets arthritis, she goes to her doctor. That's how she knows she's got arthritis. You're developing arthritis. You're becoming an old hang. And she was like, yeah, I'm in my 40s. I'm almost dead.

Cristina: She hasn't had any more children.

Jack: No, she's a widow. You don't do that. You stay widow and sad forever. That's your job.

Cristina: I mean, but like, they only tried once.

Jack: Yeah. And then failed. So she is a failure. In her womb is barren and she's a owl. Because that's how it works. It's them times. Except he died and now she's a rich barren.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, she's still a barren, but a lot of money landed on her lap. So she could be a rich baron b****.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Although she was probably totally fine having the kid, but, you know, also child. But she didn't not. She wasn't barren.

Cristina: So she never has children that could.

Jack: Die after she gave.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: She wasn't bad.

Cristina: Like it's possible that she could have had.

Jack: Probably treating her like she was barren. Anyways. Her kid.

Cristina: Okay, so she garbage has no children.

Jack: She has no children.

Cristina: Does she adopt children?

Jack: She does not. Why does it matter?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Why are you asking about her children? What do her children matter to you?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I told you. She had a kid and her kid died.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why does she need more kids?

Cristina: How does that relate to any.

Jack: She has a dead baby. How does any of this relate to each other?

Cristina: Yes, exactly.

Jack: And so now she got arthritis. She got arthritis. And the doctor is like, you got arthritis? And she's like, dang.

Cristina: She has so much money. She gets a new hand.

Jack: She gets a new hand. So the doctor is then like, look, man, you're out here living in New Haven, Connecticut, you stupid barren. You could go somewhere where the weather isn't so cold and frigid like you, you stupid, barren.

Cristina: So tell her to go to Californ.

Jack: Yeah. They basically say, go somewhere warm so that arthritis doesn't make your fingers represent your soul because you're a stupid barren b****.

Cristina: Did it help her?

Jack: I have no clue. But she does decide at the. At the warm young age. 80s of 42.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So then go.

Cristina: I mean, I guess that's still pretty old back then.

Jack: Yeah. And then she goes. She decides that she's gonna go in in 1885.

Cristina: She buys a mansion.

Jack: She goes and she. She goes to California and she brings her three remaining sisters. She had more, but they dead because life expectancy in the 1800s isn't fun.

Cristina: And do they have children or are they, well, parents?

Jack: They don't have children yet.

Cristina: Oh, I don't know. Is that important? Okay.

Jack: I don't know. Now, you know what? You've. You've been asking questions. I gave you answers.

Cristina: How old are they?

Jack: Younger than her. Okay, now that's. That's. That's Sarah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Told you some details about Sarah.

Cristina: About Sarah, though.

Jack: Now we're gonna go back to what you saw. I told you about Sarah.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Part two. The house.

Cristina: It's haunted. I don't know.

Jack: This house is located in what state?

Cristina: Cali.

Jack: Cali. This house belonged to a man named John Hamm. It's funny that this guy's named John Hamm because there's a photo of a man from the 1800s who looks identical to John Hamm that people say John Hamm is a vampire because of this reason.

Cristina: Okay. But this is not that photo that you're talking about.

Jack: No. I would be very confused. This is also that man.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's no photo of this Jon Hamm. There's nothing on this John Ham.

Cristina: Okay. This Jon Hamm owns the house.

Jack: He owns a house.

Cristina: He's still alive at this point, I.

Jack: Guess, where he owns. I mean, now.

Cristina: I mean, when they went there to get the house with him.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. He was alive. He sold them the house.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Jon Hamm had a villa with a back house.

Cristina: Okay. And that's what they got.

Jack: That's what they got. They bought a villa with the back house.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: That's great. It's a guest house. And there were three, four of them now because her and her three sisters or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And now let me tell you about some interesting details about this house. So it's on 40. What was it? 440 acres or some s*** like that Ridiculous land.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: As you saw in the image.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which Was mostly empty, as you saw by the main two buildings. It's a lot of land, a lot of empty. There were actually forests going through there.

Cristina: Like, how long would it take for the main house to travel to the back house?

Jack: Oh, man. I mean, you saw. Yeah, it was a pretty thick. Like a forest was pretty thick. You were looking at like a minute and a half walk in a straight line from one end to the other. If this is a house with walls and turns, it could take you 5, 10 minutes to traverse one end to the house of the other in a non stop stride in your own house. I'll be there in 10 minutes.

Cristina: Yeah, well, that's too much.

Jack: Yeah, but it didn't begin like that. Again, it was a H, the house. You saw the big chunk, which must have had like what, seven rooms? She was filthy rich. She got her husband's whole estate. Why not? And the back house. So other people came.

Cristina: Which is still a pretty big house. That's a pretty big back house and house. Not including everything that was added.

Jack: Yes, to it.

Cristina: It's what was added just makes no sense. And I don't understand.

Jack: While living at this house, there were a couple of instances that have been left on public record about Sarah's interactions. Sarah Winchester, the widow of William Winchester, who worked for the Winchester Repeating Arms Company.

Cristina: Yes. Yes.

Jack: There have been actual notices of this.

Cristina: Lady in weirdo public records.

Jack: Not her being a weird. Well, fair enough. Possibly. It depends. Depends what you interpret of her being a weirdo. First, there were a couple of calls to the authority, to the authorities of the area about the house, saying there's an intruder on the premises.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This happened over and over and over where one of these ladies would run all the way to the authorities to.

Cristina: Say that there's someone at their house.

Jack: Tell them that there's somebody intruding on their property and has been lurking in their property.

Cristina: Is it John Ham?

Jack: It is not John Ham.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It'd be weird if it was. John the vampire. John Ham sells people the house and reclaims it through drinking their blood.

Cristina: Yes. Interesting. No, that's not it. Okay.

Jack: No. And in the time, the exact record claims that there was a man with the wheelbarrow pushing something through the property.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: This happened more than 20 different occasions. Guy with a guy with a wheelbarrow on their property. Always taking something in the same direction.

Cristina: It's a ghost.

Jack: They're too scared to go over there and look.

Cristina: It's a ghost.

Jack: Why is it a ghost?

Cristina: It's. He's doing the Same exact thing.

Jack: It's an echo, right? It's an actual ghost?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's not like a jinn or like a spirit? No, it's a ghost. An echo ghost of something that happened.

Cristina: In the past, repeating itself over and over. Yeah. Is that what you think too?

Jack: I am also thinking the same thing. I think that man is an echo.

Cristina: Is there more echoes, I guess in the house or around the house?

Jack: This is now where you've asked the most important question. Because this episode is a question of what is in this house. Because I think summer ghosts, echoes of a previous time or future time, ripples as we've established in the past, make sense with math, makes it to quantum physics, most of philosophy. And how we think of an echo in general and what we think of a ghost. So an echo and a ghost are in theory the same, except a ripple through time. Us seeing a moment.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay. There are instances which seem to be identical and repeating and continuous. Like the man with the wheelbarrow.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There are instances that seem fully aware happening in this house. I am going to move into the future now and tell you about this house, current day, without further context so that you know how deep it's about to get. This house is current day a tourist attraction. People go to this house because of how f***** this house is.

Cristina: So it has nothing to do with the size of the house. Pretty crazy.

Jack: All of the above.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It's not this or that. It's this and that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's all of the above. The house is a current day tourist attraction. It's called Winchester House. And the house brings in money purely based on the cryptic nature of its design and the fact that people, when they go there, do come across the echoes that seem to exist. What's in the public record and what's in the current day? Echoes only share the echoes. The current day events do not share anything that doesn't fit a description we would call an echo. But they do have other instances that people would have called ghosts back then.

Cristina: Like what?

Jack: We're going to get to that.

Cristina: But okay, okay.

Jack: That is an important distinction to be made there.

Cristina: Ghosts versus echoes.

Jack: They're definitely ghosts. Which brings up what can cause the ripples in. Because this is a different problem. Right. We're talking space, time, we're talking science. We know that in New Jersey there is the place Paradise Falls and Clemson Road by Clinton Road. And that area.

Cristina: It's weird.

Jack: Yes. But what causes an area like that to happen? We know that there's even thin places there.

Cristina: Yeah. There's just a lot of crap happening there.

Jack: Yes, but this is a space time phenomenon, isn't it? Yes, like a fold in space or something that's allowing things from many, specifically in Clinton Road is excessive. It's things from many different times. The future in the past kind of intersecting here. It's the. The hills. What is it? The tall fields in the tall grass.

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: We're like the future. The past, the present, the now is all one.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so you see impossibly ancient looking things and anomalous things. So futuristic. They might be magic.

Cristina: All happening aliens, but it might not be at all.

Jack: Yeah, because we're saying what, demons, ghosts and aliens all exist in the same place? Get the f*** out of here.

Cristina: No, that's weird.

Jack: No, it's weird.

Cristina: That's what's happening in this house.

Jack: So let's dive deeper into the house. I'll tell you some things that happen with the structure of the house.

Cristina: Yes, that's really. I'm mostly dying to know why.

Jack: There is a 44 staircase that only goes up 10ft inside of this house.

Cristina: What's going on?

Jack: Why it continues at a tiny, super gradual slope. Super gradual. Mad stairs. Mad stairs. Mad stairs. Mad stairs to only go up 10ft.

Cristina: Who did this? Was it her? Is she part of this? Or this is someone else?

Jack: There are stained glass windows hanging inside of rooms, not in walls. Many stained glass windows, many, an absurd amount, have spiderweb designs.

Cristina: Spiderweb designs.

Jack: Many windows have Shakespeare quotes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There are many doors that open to a dead end wall.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: There are many doors that open to another door.

Cristina: Okay, I think we saw a little bit of that.

Jack: There are many doors that open to a dead end hallway. There are many doors that lead through mazing hallways that go nowhere.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: There are hidden passages hidden beneath almost all the walls.

Cristina: That's weird.

Jack: And they don't connect to each other directly. Some connect to some, some don't.

Cristina: That's awful. Who will do this?

Jack: There are hidden passages underneath the floorboards.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Some floors have windows in them.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: There are many chimneys in this house.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Kind of makes sense considering its size.

Cristina: Yeah, it's humongous. And find out there's only one door.

Jack: In what the number 13 shows up over and over and over and over. Many, most. Almost all staircases within this size range have about 13 steps. If it could be 9, if it could be 10, if it could be 11, if it could be 14, 15 or 16. It's usually 13 at different sizes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Stained glass windows constructed almost Majority. And his house is surrounded by stained glass windows of 13 panes.

Cristina: You have any of these as photos though, of the stainless stained glass windows? Stained glass windows. That'd be cool to look at. Are you weird?

Jack: There's a bunch of weird s*** going on here.

Cristina: It's not sounds weird.

Jack: It's not weird. These are things you would only notice by looking at detail. We're talking numbers, we're talking shape shapes. You see webs in places. You see odd shapes. You see the panels are made of add up to 13.

Cristina: That's pretty nice, actually. Not weird.

Jack: It's not weird. There's. The ceilings are made of wood and they have these patterns happening that you find.

Cristina: That was a movie.

Jack: It's not. Oh, there are. This is a weird staircase right here.

Cristina: That is a weird staircase.

Jack: So that's going nowhere.

Cristina: Oh, the 44 stairs. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Many staircases that go nowhere. Rooms that are complete solid colors.

Cristina: And you're saying nothing's based on this? Because I saw a movie and it looks like they based this weird house, their house. On this weird house, though.

Jack: A man's house?

Cristina: Yeah. No, I don't know. I don't know. It just gives me.

Jack: What's the name of it?

Cristina: Thirteen Ghosts, I think. Was it something like that?

Jack: Oh, I don't know. Maybe.

Cristina: Oh, just. Okay, we'll continue. So does this have to do with her, though, or this is someone else that came after?

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: Everything that we're seeing have to do with who? Sarah.

Jack: Oh, well, yeah, because Sarah bought this house.

Cristina: But it wasn't like that when she bought it.

Jack: No, it wasn't.

Cristina: So does she turn into that? Is it unrelated to her?

Jack: Let me scroll down and get to that.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Since you need to know at this.

Cristina: Moment, I'm just curious. It's really hard to picture.

Jack: This is in the points section to take. There are records of Sarah having hired multiple contractors to renovate the property at different points. The original intention was to add parts to the house in the form of additional rooms connecting through hallways as if.

Cristina: It wasn't big enough. That's so crazy. But okay.

Jack: Every time she would break off the contract and continue on her own.

Cristina: Okay, okay. So she is out of her mind. Maybe.

Jack: Eventually she began to create her own designs in the house where her sister.

Cristina: Still living with her at this time.

Jack: Yes. She was maintaining her entire family and their children.

Cristina: Oh, that's crazy.

Jack: She began to implement the designs herself. And eventually. This is on record. She was approached. This is actually on the newspaper. She was approached by contractor offering assistance and was rejected when he offered free services to fix her. Increasingly, by his opinion, worst house.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So, yes, she built this. Now, going back to the things in this house.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The walls have 13 panes on average. When you look at the walls and architecture showed influences from around the world with a total lack of consistency, which is what you noticed. It looked like different buildings from different time periods and different locations from around the world. Because it was.

Cristina: That's very crazy. Okay.

Jack: Mm. The inside of the house is structured much like a maze.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: The house itself is designed over a series of geometric shapes.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: All the lines intersect in geometric patterns. All the lines from the top view, it does not represent what an X ray of the place would show us, which would be where a wall looks awkward in our eyes is a straight line connecting a perfect shape elsewhere.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Yeah. How. How'd she map it?

Cristina: And why is she doing it?

Jack: And why? That is the question. Why? What's the point of any of this?

Cristina: Yes. And why couldn't any of her family stop her? I understand she's paying.

Jack: She's paying all of it. Additionally, the house features in random parts of design, triangles, circles, and squares that could be found throughout the entire structure, oftentimes as simple details added to something. It doesn't seem like it serves a purpose. It's just aesthetic. It would seem.

Cristina: This seems like too much money. From what? Like, man? How much? Like. No, I don't know.

Jack: There is.

Cristina: I feel like it's adding up.

Jack: Also an additional room in the very, very, very center of the entire structure, which is equal distances from the main house and the back house and both ends of the absolute property, which she successfully built. A house over a hundred percent of the distance, not covering the entire surface area, but rather from one side to the other in each extreme.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She managed to make the house touch every extreme. That's nuts.

Cristina: She sounds nuts. It looks nuts.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But there's a room dead center of all four of those points, and that's the room.

Cristina: You saw the room, the one empty. Okay.

Jack: That's the empty room with 14 hooks. 13. My bad.

Cristina: 13 hooks.

Jack: 13 hooks on the walls. Yeah.

Cristina: What is that about? What's the hooks for?

Jack: Coats.

Cristina: Okay, what's happening?

Jack: Let's unpack this real quick, Because I think with what we have, there's enough geometric patterns, a house structured in a geometric form, and these geometric patterns intersect with a room in the center, an empty room in the center, A room with coat racks, little hooks to put your coat on.

Cristina: Because she's summoning some things. Thirteen of them.

Jack: Interesting, no?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So what is that room?

Cristina: The teleporter.

Jack: It's a teleporter of some sort, yeah. Why?

Cristina: Why?

Jack: I don't know why. Also, with all the times they went and ran over talking about there's some dude on the property doing this and that.

Cristina: They were not complaining about her.

Jack: You connected the house all the way to the part of the house you thought that guy was going to. You made the whole house reach that?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why? You made it cover the whole place. Why? And you put this room, this welcome room in the center of the house. Why? Weird.

Cristina: That is weird.

Jack: Very strange.

Cristina: It has to do with ghosts. Did they say anything about her seances, things like that?

Jack: When asked why she was building the house in this fashion, there is one line in a newspaper talking about the crazy lady. And the line says that her response is, I'm doing it to please the spirits.

Cristina: Okay, okay, that makes sense. That makes sense.

Jack: So then I gotta go down a different rabbit hole. What spirits are we talking about? Wheelbarrow men. One of the many spirits. But that doesn't seem like he would be bothering her. No, because ghosts don't bother anybody. They couldn't. That's not there. Spirits do. But that doesn't look like a spirit. Now, footsteps coming from nowhere and following people in the house is very different. Then footsteps somewhere in the house.

Cristina: That's what was going on.

Jack: Not that she reported. Again, I'm looking for what has been mentioned about this place. Those things have been reported. Not by her, but yes. Footsteps in the house. Now we have things. We have things. We got a guy who always goes to a cabinet. Echo. Had to be. He's always going to cabinet. Getting the same thing. A pantry. Always. And just kind of stops. It gets there and stops. There's a guy darting across the yard. Looks like he's playing sports. Okay, again, just the repetition. Yeah, that would be horrifying in the middle of the night if you're just wandering it straight across. But. Yeah, but like it happens every night. Same time, same kind of way. Okay. Yeah. Echoes. Why so many? I don't know what weird space time event took place here. Except the only one they claimed that has been seen by people afterwards has been the wheelbarrow man. There weren't other disturbances in this area originally. There was only the wheelbarrow then, which was their initial problem later. And as time went by, we get footsteps. Yep. Footsteps coming from nowhere. We get voices of people they think intruded into the house.

Cristina: This Is after her working on the house that more after she starts.

Jack: Yes. Now you get again, 100. As she starts building the house up. And more and more, it starts getting weirder and weirder. It starts getting way weirder. Eventually, there's voices speaking to the women.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: But they're not saying. It's incoherent. They can describe the same voice, and it's legible. You could tell things. It's telling them.

Cristina: Do you know what they're like? They. They have something.

Jack: No, these things weren't on record per se, but it was more just a record of phrase. Yeah, the record of that. They were, in fact, dealing with people in the walls and whatever. Now, here is a problem. These walls have passageways for days. The. Almost all the walls have a secret passageway. Why? You're hearing voices coming from every direction. Your walls have passageways.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: It goes from supernatural to what the f***?

Cristina: To like, she's just crazy and she's haunting her own sisters.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: It's very strange because, like, yeah, it could just be her. We don't know.

Jack: It could just be her.

Cristina: It could just be a man pranking them real hard. No, he's taking a wheelbarrow and also just running around the house. I don't know.

Jack: Until the things start to move on their own.

Cristina: Okay, then, yes, definitely.

Jack: Hauntings and shapes start to form in dark places.

Cristina: But besides her building random things, is there anything else that she's doing that's weird? I mean, it's pretty weird. I know, but, like, there's nothing else.

Jack: Nothing of now.

Cristina: Just every. What she's doing is somehow summoning or something, you know, like, causing these things.

Jack: She's building a house, and then there's creatures. I can't tell you the house led to the creatures. That's for us to figure out. Yeah, but I can tell you that she built the house and then things started to happen.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I don't know that they're connected for a fact. I just couldn't tell you that they're not because that's too prominent.

Cristina: It seems like it has to do. But I'm just saying, like, did she do anything else?

Jack: Built a house?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Loud lightning. Figures in shape start to roam the place the sisters described. Seeing other people in the building at this point, but never being able to catch up to the people in the building.

Cristina: That's crazy. They live there their whole life. Like, even with all this crap happening, they're just like.

Jack: Yeah, they're just paying for it. And they just avoid certain parts of the house.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Yeah. Now, the empty room. The empty room is the center of the entire geometric pattern. The empty room features one detail we could not see, but it looked like a closet. The closet is a shrine of sorts.

Cristina: What?

Jack: It is used to hold things for a seance. That is described as the seance room.

Cristina: Okay, then that makes a lot of sense. That makes so much sense. Of course. Of course. Well, was her sisters not involved in that, or was she doing it with other people?

Jack: No, she was doing this alone. She would reject help. Well, she, throughout the course of her life, built this house.

Cristina: Well, what was she obsessed with? Was it bringing back her dead husband? Do they know?

Jack: Other detail to add. The house built completely chaotic. The patterns in the house totally random. Different times of architecture, different styles of architecture from around the world, minus one little detail. One thing that took many, many, many years after this house was open to the public to even find out, which was that the entire house is overlaid with subtle hints of Masonic imagery and detailing.

Cristina: It is Masonic.

Jack: She's a Freemason. Sarah Winchester. Sarah Sally Lockwood Winchester was a Freemason before she started building this house. In the middle of the house, she built a room that seems to be the focus, center of whatever's happening in a literal welcome spot, some sort of gateway or something. And the house itself is designed as the key to the portal or whatever.

Cristina: But her being a Freemason, so like, she got the idea from them or something, Like.

Jack: Well, this brings up the next question. Should we be looking at what the. The Freemasons are and how they connect to the bigger picture? This is the first time they cross paths in this kind of way. We've read about their library and things. They hold the knowledge, but. But now we're talking on some s***. We're talking on portal bridging. We're talking on Sarah Sally Lockwood Winchester performing a potentially necromantic trick and her existing in the late 1800s. How would she know? And what the f*** is a Freemason to have the answer to any of that?

Cristina: You think they have some necromancer technology or something? Some knowledge about.

Jack: They know something.

Cristina: They know about Hermes. They know about his studies.

Jack: They might be the rejects. I've had a theory about Alexander, and I've had the theory that he branched off into the weak other fakes that eventually led to the fake philosopher's stones and all this other bullshit that we're familiar with.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: I think Alexander the Great because he couldn't Cut it made his own thing with what he did know.

Cristina: And do you think that's related to the Freemason or whole different.

Jack: Might be directly. I can't prove it, no. But yeah, I would go out of my way to do so eventually. But I do believe that there's some connection between maybe not that group specifically, but a group of people who perform a lesser version of what the necromancers did in fact do.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And I think Alexander led to that. There is a group of people who do that. We've seen imitations that we're like this is kind of sort of. But this isn't. Can't be because of this. And that other thing disqualifies him. And it's like, well, you guys don't have a full picture of what being a necromancer is, but you guys know, normal people don't how.

Cristina: And this lady specifically? Yes.

Jack: Like she may be part of these whack noobs who can at least bridge a gap to the other side. And this would bring in then another picture. Everybody we talk about minus a Greek avoid adrenochrome. But we know current day many, many, many people. And in the past many attempts with adrenochrome have been done other than the philosopher's stone. That's the highest literal called the magnum opus process to get to the perfect philosopher's stone. So there are many wack weak philosopher stones. Yes, I think these guys are ones. I think it's them. I think these people that we've read about doing this.

Cristina: Probably what she was doing. Like she's not making philosopher's stones as far as I can tell.

Jack: Philosopher stones. But she knows enough to bridge a gap.

Cristina: A gate into the shadow realm.

Jack: So I think so. I think so. And I have to tell you important detail because that is sort of the cherry on top of this. The most prominent figure that haunts this mansion following their no longer being in that house is Sarah.

Jack: Do you see the problem here? She built a gate the way Jesus did, didn't she?

Cristina: So that she can.

Jack: But it wasn't complete. Something is wrong. Jesus can walk through. They literally said we saw him here, we saw him way the over there.

Cristina: Thank you. Back here.

Jack: Yeah. But we've also heard things that look so close to being a ghost, except there's some form of free will here. So you're not an echo, you're some other thing. And sometimes we've called them demons, but they're the weird fact that you're stuck in an area we've never been able to solve.

Cristina: No, that's why we just call them ghosts.

Jack: We call them ghosts.

Cristina: We call echoes echoes? Yeah, like, because we don't have better names.

Jack: But now, if we assume a ghost is an echo, then what is this thing with free will? Right? People who might have f****** failed at doing the right thing. Let's use Full Metal Alchemist as an example.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: So you try to bring somebody back to life. You get a homunculus because you don't know how to break. You're not God. You're gonna bring somebody back to life. Now, people do know how to do it. But if you.

Cristina: Is that why these deaths are important? Because, like, maybe she feared death after losing the most important people to her. She was like, this isn't gonna happen to me. Or something. Like, I don't know either. She wanted to bring them back, but then, like, does anyone see them?

Jack: She knows, but that the Freemasons are essentially the Fallout Brotherhood. We don't have the answers, but we know how to get the answers. And although they don't want to give us the answers, we'll try our best to do it by force. And it's like, cool, great and all, but also, you don't know where all of them are. And you don't have the full picture. Everything you do is half a** by default, even if you put your full effort into it. Yeah, because you couldn't go full because you don't know what that looks like. That seems to be the case. And all these cases are people who knew, sort of, kind of on average, the steps did the things, but you don't really get it. And you f***** up somewhere in the process. So you're kind of like an echo, but you're not. You're stuck in the middle ground. You trapped yourself in that other place. Archive 81, the show. Everybody go watch that. It's on Netflix. Archive 81. At the very end. Spoiler warning, anybody who hasn't run away, cover your ears. Count to 50 to get trapped in the place. But why? Because the demon knows how to get through. The people don't. They're playing with fire. They don't understand. So what happens? They end up trapped in the limbo equivalent of where he is and where you began. This portal location. They're stuck in the house forever. But why is that the case? Because the house is within proximity and probably there's borders. I'm sure it's a perfect circle at a certain distance. And you can't exit that perfect circle because you would Cease to exist because you got caught in the sort of ripple you caused in space time crossing rifts.

Cristina: Yes, yes, yes, yes, I see that must have happened.

Jack: And there's a specific spot in Clinton Road where it makes perfect sense. There's a f****** castle dead center.

Cristina: They were doing some more stuff.

Jack: Yes. And people think literally Satanists go and f*** around in that place. It's dead center. But this is way larger than the estate. So they were doing some big f****** things. If that's the case. But then this gives us a f****** look into is science. And you're bending space somehow. And if you f*** it up, you can leave it that way.

Cristina: Yes. And that's what happens to all these places. It's usually in the middle of nowhere. Like Clinton Row. We've heard many stories of just like an area that random things happen.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Mad random things. Not really a house. This is the first time it's a house.

Jack: That's the first time it's a house. We find the center point. But also the castle in Clinton Road is its center point. It just so happens to be that Clinton Road, if you look at the paranormal area, kind of runs far to a side of it. But the entire forest with all the things, the castle's in the center.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Weird. And it kind of gives us a lot of information for a lot of things. Again, the slightest perspectives allows us to look at things that we would have ignored otherwise and. Wait a minute. You mean a room in the middle of the. Whatever. Oh wait. Paranormal activity. Maybe there's a gate here now. Maybe there's gates in a bunch of places. Maybe just looking for the most f****** haunted places is gonna lead us to people who connect directly to the necromancers, who connect directly to the Elysians, connect directly to the current day's Rayleighs. Everything is f****** pieced together.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. So where are we going? What's next?

Jack: Finding out what the most haunted places on earth are? Because those are places that were important to fakers.

Cristina: I feel like we have done that in the past. But I don't think we look to see who went there.

Jack: Who went there matters more than what's happening.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now we know that what's happening is just some bullshit anomaly in space time.

Cristina: But like was a freemason or some type of group involved? Okay.

Jack: Because it could have been a mistake by somebody who knows what they're doing. Or it could have just been somebody who doesn't know what they're doing.

Cristina: Yeah. Gotta find out. Interesting.

Jack: Interesting. All because of Ms. Freemason herself.

Cristina: But does any of her sisters. Are they ghost too? Or is it just her unknown? It's just her unknown.

Jack: We have no idea for sure. People have claimed so that they've seen.

Cristina: Her sisters as well.

Jack: It's been reported.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But there's been a bunch of. There's many, many, many, many, many, many, many. If this is what it is, then it's a whacking complete portal and a bunch of s*** comes in and out. But they're trapped within the premises.

Cristina: But it would make sense that her sisters would be trapped. And maybe that's her goal as well. Be like, why would I want to die? What would I want them to die? Type of situation.

Jack: Other things to note. Does she choose this house intentionally because of where it is? Is there a factor you can harness and so you're doing the house here?

Cristina: I don't know. It seems real random because it came from a doctor. It started with the doctor.

Jack: Yeah. The random details about her life. Her moving to San Francisco, California, to begin with. Her and her husband had discussed this before he died. That's their dream. Getaway location.

Cristina: Was to go there.

Jack: Was to go there. So she already had this place in her mind before the story even begins. I don't know why. I don't know if the house was in her mind, but she had the place in her mind.

Cristina: Was he involved? Because then, like, would he know? Like, okay, if I die, this is what you should do.

Jack: Like, unclear.

Cristina: Bring me back or something? Like, was he part of the group? Had they just, like. Was this their plan too?

Jack: Like, it's weird, right?

Cristina: It's weird. Yeah.

Jack: It's a strange, strange situation. It looks like she built a gate.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To not only walk through herself, but bring other people through. And she had no idea how to do it the right way.

Cristina: No. But she had at least 13 people in mind. How many sisters are. There's four. No, there's four, including her.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And then there's children.

Jack: Yes. And her baby.

Cristina: And her baby and her husband.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: How many people there?

Jack: I don't know. Maybe it adds up to 13.

Cristina: Like, what if it did? Everyone's saying, like, it's evil, but what if it's like she's just. There's just 13 of them.

Jack: Yeah. But it is crazy.

Cristina: It is crazy.

Jack: It's a very interesting situation that this lady went ahead and did this. It looks like she built. It looks like she built a portal. The house itself is a design, so it's harder to f*** with. You can't destroy the lines. Unless you break through a wall or some s***.

Cristina: Yeah, that's. It's very intentional.

Jack: Very intentional. It's a mess with a room in the center, and she did it, so. And she wanted contractors help, and she didn't trust them. They're not gonna figure it out.

Cristina: No. No. It would be impossible. I don't understand. I don't understand how she even, like, can they find the blueprints she made for this house? Like, is that even a thing?

Jack: F****** nuts, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that's what we got. What do you think?

Cristina: I think that's crazy. I think maybe she is part of a group and we should see if we could find that group.

Jack: About that group. We got this point. We could find that group if we could find a bunch of other s***.

Cristina: Because then that means people know about.

Jack: Hermes nowadays, even if they don't get it.

Cristina: Yeah. There has to be attempts.

Jack: There has to be attempts. People start trying, we know people are still trying. There's. We know that there's so many factories.

Cristina: Of adrenochromes, but this also, like, feels related to necromancy. The other part that we don't really focus on. Of the dead.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Like, that's maybe why most people get involved. It has nothing to do with teleporting to other worlds or anything, because they don't even know that's part of the story.

Jack: It could be about coming back themselves.

Cristina: It's just. Yeah. Most of them want to be immortal. Yeah. A lot of them.

Jack: Most of it. Same thing with adrenochrome. If you're doing necromancy, you're thinking immortality. If you're drinking adrenochrome, you're thinking immortality.

Cristina: And you're not ignoring all the. They have no idea about everything else involved. The history, the other worlds, etc.

Jack: None of it. No. 100%. There's a bunch of incomplete images and people f****** s*** up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And I'm sure, based on this perspective.

Cristina: We can find it.

Jack: We can find that. I know that at least some of it has to be more situations like this that if you look at. Wow, this area is really haunted. I'm probably gonna start with Clinton Road.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because what the h***, a castle is there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So what do we have?

Cristina: I don't know. You're gonna find out, though.

Jack: Hopefully.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But that's what we got. So that is the Winchester house. You guys can Google that name. And there are a plethora of images. It's open to the public. You can wander. Yeah. Everywhere. You don't need me to show you the images. They are everywhere. Enjoy looking at the Winchester house. There's a lot of information, a lot of it's conflicting, but most of it is out there. Feel free if you want to give us information. Anything you guys figured out, reading, looking, listening to this, ideas you had, whatever. You can hit us on our socials at justconvo, Pod on X, Facebook, Instagram.

Cristina: Tick tock, wherever the Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth. Tell people about how awesome this show is and how weird. Sarah Winchester, mother of Salmon Dean.

Cristina: No.

Jack: She had one kid and it died because she was a bad parent.

Cristina: That's awful.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: S.A.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

April 06, 2024

Rambling 269: The Harrowing of Hell

April 06, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

What was the true reason for the Crucifixion? What happened to Jesus after getting Crucified? What was his ultimate goal? The duo unpack the Harrowing of Hell and the fact that according to the Bible it seems Jesus died a sinner, but why?

+Episode Details

Topics DIscussed:

The Crucifiction
Jesus the Sinner
The Journey to Hell
Hidden Prison
Retrieving the Goods
Yaldabaoth (AKA Jehovah of Dark)

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And it's so. I mean, again, it's not like I have a lot. It's. I don't have a lot of notes. It's more that. This is extremely dense and it focuses on a situation that we've heavily overlooked and we've looked kind of straight at a million thousand times. Composed a little something here for us to look at and it's going to answer so. It's so small, but it's going to answer so many questions. Who's what? Why? Where? Who's doing what? Why are they doing it? There's so many with the smallest of things, and it doesn't necessarily tie to Hermes, but it connects to him indirectly. And also, before we even get to this, Hermes Trismegistus invents the magnum opus and the Hermetic seal, both steps of creating the philosopher's stone. There's no way Hermes Trismegistus was not working one on one with Eloi, the one who made the Stone of Adam and the Stone of Eve. There's no way. Okay, it's literally named after a dude who shows up mad later is because this guy was there way before. It's his name for the process.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So he must have been way back then. How.

Cristina: Humans are somehow special then in the story.

Jack: Well, if he is a necromancer, death is not a problem.

Cristina: Yeah, but it seems like necromancers come from humans.

Jack: Yes, yes.

Cristina: Yeah, like, that's very interesting. I don't know how he relates to anything, but it seems like that's.

Jack: Well, yeah, no, it's something weird about that. The possibility that Hermes Trismegistus is a title itself, that's another possibility. Many guys name that, but I think that's not the case. I think it is one guy. Because through the case of necromancy, we seem to consistently defy the need for. For age. And time kind of just dissolves into the background because long enough gets anywhere. The idea would be, can necromancer share this and that, would that explain something like an loi lasting long, even if not millions of years? Because as we know, we literally established it is the last name or bare minimum, some sort of title or position, and there were different people, different. But that means in this case, fair enough. Maybe he's not sharing immortality because Jehovah learned this with Azrael. Eloi didn't. Which means there were many Elois. The first discovery of immortality for someone non necromancer was Israel. That might be the actual first instance of immortality within biological beings.

Cristina: And how did they figure it out?

Jack: Science.

Cristina: The science. Okay.

Jack: Asriel. Yes. She's a geneticist.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And she solved that. But that happened in the time of Jehovah, sometime in like, 7,000 BC, so that's relatively recent.

Cristina: Do you think the unicorn horns have anything to do with that?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Or unicorns at all?

Jack: No, no, no, no.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Definitely not. But that's just definitely something for us to think about. We still got to look into who is within the title of Eloi, whether it's family members of Jehovah. Although I've seen all names after that. I've seen Jehovah, Eloi. I've seen Yahweh Eloi. I've seen Elohim, Eloi. I thought Elohim and Eloi were more close together, but no Elohim, Eloi, which means Elohim is somebody in the family or somebody who is just Eloi. The first one is just Eloi, presumably. Eloi. The first Eloi was the first Eloi, and he did a thing that made him important. And so Legend of Zelda style, every next individual assumes the name just like Zelda.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: I mean, not Zelda. Link.

Jack: Just like Link.

Cristina: Just like Link. Yeah.

Jack: So that's what I'm thinking. Anyways, as for what we're talking about today, a week ago, do you know what was a week ago?

Cristina: Do I know what was one week ago? No. Was this at Patrix Day? I don't remember.

Jack: No, no.

Cristina: That's two weeks ago.

Jack: That was way longer than what you said. It was the day Jesus died.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. Okay. Easter.

Jack: Yeah, Easter.

Cristina: And we just didn't talk about it. Did we talk about.

Jack: No, we didn't talk about Easter. I mean, we might have brushed over while talking about something else, but.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The problem is we've messed up because Easter should have been our starting point for many, many reasons.

Cristina: Starting point for what?

Jack: Everything.

Cristina: Everything.

Jack: Everything.

Cristina: Easter is that important.

Jack: Easter has a lot. I'm just gonna spit out some sentences at certain points, and you're gonna be like, how the f***? And like, that's too black and white to not be literally what's happening. So do you know what happened on Easter?

Cristina: He came back from the dead.

Jack: Right, Right.

Cristina: That's all I gotta get. Yeah.

Jack: Okay, so he died on the crucifixion day. Then three days later he comes back. And we know that story really vividly because he came back through the Shanto gates. He met with some homies, according to the Bible, you know, he met with some people, blah, blah, blah. And then he did. But we know he kept kind of like wandering around doing things. And he died in India or whatever the h***. Not even in India. He actually died where the. There were. No, it was in India where the fairies are.

Cristina: I think it was.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So sure. All of these things Jesus did after he came to life, all you have to wonder is what did he do in those three days? Okay, so he died. Let's unpack the logic. He died and he built the Shinto gates because. What?

Cristina: Because to come back here. No, that was beforehand. He died and then he built this.

Jack: No, he built the Shinto gates because he knew he would die. Yes. Why did he build the Shinto gates? To come back from where?

Cristina: The Shadow room.

Jack: Why would he go to the Shadow Realm?

Cristina: Because of all the blood drinking.

Jack: Okay, well established.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Why was he drinking blood if he was already overpowered?

Cristina: that's a good question. I don't know. It was important somehow because of the religion. He needed people to drink his blood. So I guess he also had to.

Jack: I don't know, obviously. So that he doesn't permanently die. That's all it is. It's so that you don't permanently die. Right. You go to the Shadow Realm. He built the gate. Then he could just come back. He can't die. He established immortality. That is loop.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: You die without the adrenochrome. You just die. You die with the adrenochrome, you go to the other side. He built the gates, he can come back. The adrenochrome. Was the located immortality in his case?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or was it?

Cristina: Or was it. I don't know.

Jack: In the Bible. In the Bible it says that Jesus went to h*** for three days. Let's just talking about the Bible real quick. Not talking about the fact of the matter, but let's talk about the Bible. Jesus went to h*** for three days, not heaven. Christian's Messiah died and actually went to h***. It doesn't matter what logic they try to reason that one away with. He lied in the eyes of God and went to h***. He didn't kill anybody. He didn't harm. No. Which means the one thing he did must have been a lie, because everything else checked out. So he was. He was just lying the whole time? According to the Bible itself, he went to h*** after he died. Not heaven. He didn't die a martyr. He died a sinner. Ooh.

Cristina: Is that how they. But that's not how they see it.

Jack: Oh, no, because how they see it, they rationalize it. He chose to go there.

Cristina: How does that make sense? For what purpose?

Jack: Obviously, the story is bullshit.

Cristina: Yeah, but what's their purpose of him wanting to go to h***?

Jack: It's not a matter of them having a purpose for him wanting to go to h***. It's having to cover up what actually happened and having no way to do.

Cristina: It the right way. Mm.

Jack: What did he do while he was in h***?

Cristina: Talk to his father?

Jack: No, because his father isn't in h***.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: What did he do when he went to h***?

Cristina: I don't even know the story. I have no idea.

Jack: I'm gonna tell you. That's the point of this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But I'm hoping you'd guess.

Cristina: Oh, that was my guess. And you're saying no. So he.

Jack: You know, his father's not in h*** according to the Bible, so that doesn't make sense.

Cristina: I was just his real father without the.

Jack: The things we've talked about just with the Bible, why'd he go?

Cristina: Who? The creatures.

Jack: What would Jesus do? What creatures? We're not talking about. We know. We're talking about just the Bible.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: I'm saying don't think about what we talked about. Just the Bible.

Cristina: What they say he wants.

Jack: What do you think they say that's.

Cristina: I. Honestly, I haven't. I don't know. Why would they want. Okay, let me think. I put the heavy go. He chose.

Jack: He chose.

Cristina: He chose because he wanted to know. I don't know. He was curious. Okay.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: He's curious. What happens to sinners? I don't know.

Jack: Brace yourself, because I'm going to tell you what the Bible says he went there for. But the problem is, I didn't need anything else. I looked for more.

Cristina: I.

Jack: But all it did was confirm. So then I just came back to the Bible. Because what I'm about to tell you is too cut and dry. It doesn't matter without the context. But we have so much context. The next two sentences I'm about to tell you are going to do a lot. I'll begin with the less important one, and then we'll discuss in both terms what we know and what the narrative is. Sentence number one, that's gonna shake you up and falls along what we're Saying when he went to h*** for those three days, one of the two things he did was release people he deemed righteous who were sent there in the Old Testament. Now, let's go. Hold up. Let's go back a little bit and clarify that this absolutely means Jesus and Jehovah were never on the same side on paper in the Bible. That makes no sense. Jesus went to h*** to free the people he did not agree Jehovah put there.

Cristina: Which. How. How's that possible? How do they not think the same?

Jack: Because you're not the same person, obviously. But according to the Bible, how do they. They don't. It's a bunch of cognitive dissonance. It doesn't happen. It doesn't play. Oh, no. He's both. And he change or what? No.

Cristina: How does he change? No, that doesn't make sense.

Jack: It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. It's not.

Cristina: Then he's definitely not perfect. He's so far from perfect.

Jack: Yeah, that would just be flaws. That would be infinite flaws.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He changed his mind every 10 minutes and he has no plan if he's changing his mind all the time. There can't be a perfect plan because he changes the plan every 10 seconds. You're telling me he threw some people down there and 2000 years later he's like, no, come on, I gotta take him out?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, no. Then your plan sucks.

Cristina: It makes no sense. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. You're building the plan as you go, essentially. It makes zero sense.

Cristina: He said there's a second reason.

Jack: We are going to unpack this first.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: We're not just rushing through this. We don't do that. We're gonna talk about the fact that Jesus, according to the Bible, is not Jehovah. According to the Bible, he went to h*** to free other people who Jehovah put there, but he disagrees with their presence in there. Well, that's crazy. Yeah, it's nuts. And specifically Old Testament, which brings up another conflicting issue. Yaldaba is Old Testament God. No, that's Jehovah of Dark. Before we found out who he was, it was the guy from the shadow realm. Is the guy who talked to the rabbi. It is that guy.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That was Yaldabaoth. He was the Old Testament God, and.

Cristina: He'S the one putting people in h***.

Jack: He's the one who put those people. He took them to the shadow realm.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: He took these people to the shadow realm and Jesus went and got him.

Cristina: Why did he take them to the shadow realm?

Jack: They were prisoners of his These are the people he did not like. These are the people who did things he did not approve of. These are prisoners. Jesus knew where to find out about prison, bare minimum and free people. Let's. That's the thought that should be coming to your mind. He knew exactly where to go when he died. It only took him three freaking days to get there, save them, and be like, I'm good.

Cristina: How? How?

Jack: Think of the ability to zone into some s*** everybody else has been looking for. And he did it in three f****** days.

Cristina: He's more supernatural than the shadow realm creatures.

Jack: So by miles. By miles, you found the highest thing within the these two realms. At least in three days. I am assuming he found them on the first day and it just took him three days to get back because the third day is when we saw him. So bare minimum took him like two days. And assuming he did more than just that, he might have just gotten their freedom instantly.

Cristina: Do you have any idea how many people there were that he showed up with?

Jack: No. They were unimportant. They were just prisoners of that time.

Cristina: How do people not think that's crazy? He came back from the dead with people.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Or did they go to heaven? Like, what's the story of what happened to the people he saved from h***? Did they come back to life in Earth or did they go straight to heaven?

Jack: Unclear. I didn't care gives a s***. I was more impressed about like, that's. If we had the answer to that question, what would that even mean? It'd be a bullshit lie. They went to heaven. What does that mean? Nothing. Nothing. That's useless information.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And if they were just freed out here, then. Okay, you zombies set people free.

Cristina: I don't know. That'd be strange.

Jack: Are many other jinn out here? They wouldn't be the first. They're definitely not. The last is just normal nothing. The action itself is what's weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Not the people. What happens to them? Who cares? Because like, who cares? It's just people. He found them in two days.

Cristina: That is pretty.

Jack: In the shadow realm. That's already described as a convoluted mirror house.

Cristina: Yes. But also, I don't know how much is it because it seems like people could easily travel it also, I don't know. It seems like if you. You just stumble upon it, you know where you're going.

Jack: Well, I guess not really enough times. It like anything else, you'll become familiar.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: How do you become familiar in two days?

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: The judge got lost.

Cristina: The judge got it was his sister who just knew he.

Jack: No, his sister didn't just know. He showed his sister.

Cristina: Oh, after he got lost?

Jack: Yeah, he got lost in there. He then started using that after he got familiar with and then he showed his sister. People find these things by accident. They get.

Cristina: So how does Jesus.

Jack: How would he. Unless it wasn't his first shot there.

Cristina: I guess not. I'm guessing because he did make the portals beforehand, he could have just been.

Jack: Dipping in and out at casual moments. But those portals don't work. Those portals are one way. So how was he getting over there?

Cristina: How did he as a necromancer?

Jack: Well, we don't actually. We're assuming he's a necromancer. And this adds to that for sure. For sure. But we don't actually know he is.

Cristina: But if he is, he could go back and forth.

Jack: Yeah, Easily. Easily, easily. And he could kind of go. He wouldn't even need to walk the shadow realm. He could live.

Cristina: Doesn't make sense because like he can live forever as a necromancer.

Jack: Exactly. And when I explained the other part to you, it's obvious that the death was important. So he couldn't actually get in there. He was legitimately struggling to get to the shadow realm.

Cristina: Then how did he figure it out?

Jack: How do you figure it out? What did he know? How? How did he know?

Cristina: How did he know? Does he have a portal?

Jack: But for a fact, even within the Bible, not even going anywhere else we can factually determine. Yes. Jesus is not in accordance with Yaldabaoth AKA Jehovah of Dark. He went and freed those things in second. He could find them. Yaldaba is hiding. Yalda is hiding. I don't know if the Elysians are hiding. Yalda is hiding.

Cristina: Why? It feels like he just wanted to make an enemy for no reason. Unless there's a reason for him doing that.

Jack: He didn't want to make an enemy. He created the entire earthrealm to watch actual Elfame consciousness find its way out of the program so that he himself could replicate. Wasn't any of those things. It was just how are they doing it? So I can see and do it.

Cristina: But why would he do it? That's just so crazy that he would just that for like how did he know where they were? Why would he do it?

Jack: Where they were? All of these things? For sure?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I think Jesus person only knew Hermes Trismegistus.

Cristina: Why do you think that?

Jack: If he's a necromancer and we can't find any other teachers and it's likely there's only one. It's Hermes. Which means if Jesus is a necromancer, he had to learn it from Hermes unless he himself made his own version of it. But we would know about that.

Cristina: But we know there's a Hermes version of Hermes in the Bible. He's a character.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. So was he around Jesus this time? I mean, I guess he's been around all this.

Jack: No, he shows up later.

Cristina: Later.

Jack: Actual Hermes, according to actual narrative, shows up much later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And he's mentioned as a philosopher. He's not an important person.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: And actually, I don't think he shows up in the canon books of the Bible.

Cristina: Okay, whatever.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He shows up in other books.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That talk about the people around. But none of that is the point. The second thing is the most important thing here. Because the second thing, first thing gave us all the answers we needed for a million things we. We knew without proof. Now we know, like, yeah, they don't like each other. They can't. They're not the same person. This literally in words in the book that people are like, no, they are. No, the book told you they're not.

Cristina: Yeah, obviously.

Jack: Like, the book is literally telling you there's three guys here. That big guy, the new big guy, that big guy, the old big guy, and this guy who you're calling both of those guys, and he apparently doesn't agree with s***. Either of them do agree with anything they've ever done. Crazy. None of that matters. All of that, as dense and rich in information as that is matters next to the next sentence, because the next sentence is an oh, is everybody horrified? Situation.

Cristina: Is what?

Jack: Everybody's horrified.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're scared of Jesus. I know for a fact they're scared to Jesus.

Cristina: Who are they?

Jack: Everybody.

Cristina: Everybody.

Jack: Everybody. You were right. Everybody's hiding from Jesus. Everybody's. There's nobody not hiding from Jesus because there's a lot of people fighting to make a lot of different powers. You know what this guy went did when he went to h***? His second objective was rescue these other people. That was the second objective. He was just there. That was day two. I know I was exaggerating. I'm fully aware. He saved the first goal and did it in the first day, maybe in like two hours. He went down there, somehow found Yaldabaoth's f****** bowser castle or some s*** down there. I don't f****** know. And then he got to the guy's prison, not only just freed all these individuals, the main quest was to Acquire Adam and Eve who were in h***, AKA the shadow realm that Yaldabao somehow acquired. What?

Cristina: But don't they.

Jack: In the Bible it literally says Jesus went to h*** to save Adam and Eve and the righteous from the Old Testament. He instantaneously acquired them too. And then was like I'm here.

Cristina: How does that make sense? Everything. He has Adam and Eve.

Jack: He has Adam and Eve.

Cristina: But we thought those other people had.

Jack: What the Alicians had Adam and Eve.

Cristina: I guess they had.

Jack: They had. Now let me reiterate that Jesus easily found Yaldabaoth's prison, freed a bunch of people and acquired Adam and Eve wherever Yaldabaoth hid them. Meaning we know Yaldabaoth had his own stone as well. The Bible tells us about Adam and Eve because the Bible only knows knows about Adam and Eve. But Jesus was there. Why would he only take Adam and Eve?

Cristina: That's how they put it.

Jack: That's how they put it.

Cristina: They don't know anything else.

Jack: We know he has a lot more. We know he has a lot more and not really a lot more, but it's powerful and it's arguably the first one.

Cristina: How. How. How did it end up. How did they end up there?

Jack: How did they end up there? So presumably because just with this we have a lot of story given to us at some point. Yaldabaoth actually got it from the Elysians and we have not uncovered that story. There must have been a battle or an invasion or something. And Yaldabaoth acquired the. The philosopher stones that the Alicians had. Adam and Eve are both in or were in possession of Yaldabaoth. Somehow he got them. I have no idea how. We've not seen a crumb of this story until right now.

Cristina: Yeah, I mean they probably. He didn't probably have to fight them if he made them to make that in the first place. Right.

Jack: Like his might be stronger than he is. So how do you just take it from them?

Cristina: Maybe it was a pact between him and the first guy. I forgot his name.

Jack: Loi.

Cristina: Loi. There you go. Like come on.

Jack: No, he dipped on them.

Cristina: That's what they. That's the only thing we know. We don't know if there was some.

Jack: Then you'd be adding complete uncon. Like things. We have nothing to back.

Cristina: We don't have no epic battle happening either. Over.

Jack: Well, those are all these. I'm just spitballing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: These are all theories. Yes, but it was sounding like you were. No, this is definitely the case. But no, if it's a Theory perfectly fine. Because who knows? Who knows what the possibility is? It's. The problem is that there is no ability to tell. Again, we have. We don't see a battle. I don't know where that is. And if it is, and we'll stumble upon it in the future. We haven't. Yeah, we don't know. We didn't see him, like, going off anybody. We don't know that they handed it to him. We just. All we get is Jesus stealing it from him suddenly. Like, what? Not even from them? From him.

Cristina: From him.

Jack: It's like, whoa, I didn't even know he had it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I thought he ran away. He's just chilling with it.

Cristina: He's just chilling with it. How's that possible?

Jack: Or he did leave, and you can't leave with it because it's part of the program. If you're leaving the program, how would.

Cristina: You take it out? Yeah, I guess you wouldn't take it with you. It's. It's just to help him get out. So. Yeah, it may have been easier for him to steal them. But then why didn't the other.

Jack: Why didn't anybody else know? He had to be there, bro. Or he could detect it in a way they can't.

Cristina: Or whoever is protecting it should still, like. Even though he left, it was probably still so protected that no one else tried.

Jack: And then Jesus effortlessly just cruised in there in like 15 minutes after dying and just got it.

Cristina: Yeah, well, there's something else happening with him. We don't know.

Jack: Yeah, no, there's a lot going on. But tell me this isn't like a bomb drop. This is crazy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: How the h*** did we just, within one story, find out that this moved two hands?

Cristina: This makes a lot of sense, I guess.

Jack: It makes so much sense to a lot of things. Like the Naoa Shinto game. Makes absolute sense. Assuming you couldn't get there for whatever reason you orchestrated, planned and executed your entire death to get there, steal that s*** and come back.

Cristina: But how did he know?

Jack: Well, he was talking a bunch of blasphemous s***. Just walk around. If there is no if. Everything is censorship. You just go outside and start screaming anti government s***. Then they killed him.

Cristina: No, I mean how did he know where it was?

Jack: Oh, I have no idea.

Cristina: That huge thing.

Jack: That's a f****** problem. Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: How did he just know? He must have known so long before beginning the plan.

Cristina: Yeah, actually think he does whatever thing that affected us. Us. Not us, but everyone. When you know, he was. You think he control it he like kind of like. What's his name? The wizard.

Jack: What wizard?

Cristina: From what I know from crap. I can't. Author King Arthur.

Jack: Merlin.

Cristina: Yes. He had that special power of being able to time. To mess with time or something. No, write his history.

Jack: He slows down time.

Cristina: He slows down time. I thought he like. I thought he like affected Arthur's future or something. Didn't he have to write the story and then the story would happen or something?

Jack: No. He made Arthur easy to manipulate and then fed society a story that would eventually reach his ears. Which is all that the lady of the lady took advantage of and twisted the story even more in her favor.

Cristina: Okay, okay. Well anyway, because maybe Jesus can dream about that stuff though he can see into things that we wouldn't understand. Like Santa Claus seeing who's good or who's been good or whatever.

Jack: That is fascinating point. That is a really, really, really, really good observation, Santa. You don't have to call him Santa. St. Nicholas.

Cristina: Whatever.

Jack: St. Nicholas does have an ability to either stop time and live from his perspective years and years and years and see everybody within, to us feels like no time has passed. Or he actively has an ability to see all things simultaneously. Which presumably is a little necromancy trick.

Cristina: Yes, yes. But then that makes Jesus a necromancer.

Jack: He would be born as a necromancer.

Cristina: Yeah, he wouldn't even need a teacher. Why?

Jack: Because necromance, you're not. It's not a race, it's. It's a discipline.

Cristina: Yes. And also they could. They don't need to die. They all. No, wait, they do die. They die.

Jack: And if he was a necromancer, he wouldn't need to. He wouldn't need anything to get into the shadow realm. His skills could get him there. He's not a necromancer. That's the only. All these things are pointing at. He's not a necromancer. So we have some other problem. He actually most likely knew Hermes and is still not a f****** necromancer and is still the next thing over. A necromancer.

Cristina: He's so similar. It's something.

Jack: We got three necromancers and one Jesus. There are less Jesus, whatever the h*** he is.

Cristina: How's he not a necromancer? I feel like everything makes him seem like one.

Jack: Him needing to die to enter the shadow realm immediately violates that.

Cristina: But they all needed to die to start living forever, I guess. They had human lives, they became necromancers. They died. Or some other like we don't know the steps.

Jack: Fair, fair, fair, fair. Maybe it was a two birds with one stone situation. Maybe I can easily get into the shadow realm, but I haven't achieved my immortality yet. So when I die because they crucify me, two birds, one stone. I'll be where I'm going anyways.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And I'll finally achieve the last step of this metamorphosis.

Cristina: I think that sounds right. That could definitely be a necromancer.

Jack: It could have been the last step towards becoming a necromancer for sure. Because we follow the stories after he returns. And now we're talking about some trippy as balls s*** dude showing up in furnaces and just hanging out with guys. People seeing his face in the clouds, him just rolling up in impossible locations. You're on a boat, he just walked out of nowhere.

Cristina: Stories from when he was alive.

Jack: No, people saw visions of him forever.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: Yeah, most of the stories are quoted. Yes. Oh, but there's a bunch of stories of him being seen afterwards that's so crazy. Which could fall in line with being a necromancer. So he's a necromancer on top of whatever the h*** he was to begin with. He's abusing Elysian blood. Yes, while abusing human blood.

Cristina: Because he's also have humans now. Right.

Jack: Also, I think in this discussion we have come to the answer for why a Nephilim is illegal. And it's because a human is the only person who can become a necromancer.

Cristina: And because he's part human.

Jack: Oh, yes. His human part is the necromancer part. And Elysians cannot be a necromancer. None of their technology can so much as scratch the overpowered nature of a necromancer.

Cristina: He's. Oh my gosh, he's so overpowered. And it's because he's an ephem, but also necromancer.

Jack: Oh my gosh, He's a necromancer.

Cristina: Nephilim, he's everything they fear. If they fear things, this has to be the thing.

Jack: Weirdly enough, according to the Holy Bible, by definition at this point, he's the Antichrist. Right? He's all of the characteristics of all of the things, which is the beast.

Cristina: He is the.

Jack: He's literally the beast. The Bible both tells us the light bringer, Lucifer and the bearer of light, Jesus, are different people, but they give us the same f****** descriptor.

Cristina: Kidding me? I don't know. They're not very bright about it. Okay, I don't Know, they're not. They're not thinking about it. It's written by a million of different people. Like no one's connecting the dots or they're doing the really. I don't know. I wouldn't say. The best that they can.

Jack: It was a legitimate huge effort to make Jesus look right and make Lucifer look bad. And you have to. There's too much evidence of the events that you. None of the events you're claiming happened. We can prove all the events. You're like, put it. You gotta think of it differently. All of those events have a record. So they're like, no, don't look at it like that. Look at it our way. It's like. But your way is made up. I could just read what happened. I could just. Look, somebody recorded it. And what you say, nobody agrees on, but records agree with each other. And if we just take the Bible's context and then bounce it off of those very things, Jesus might must either be the bad guy or the devil.

Cristina: Okay, but if he's the Antichrist, that's really strange. The Christ is the Antichrist. What does that even mean?

Jack: There was never a Christ.

Cristina: There was never a Christ.

Jack: There's no such thing as an Antichrist. There is only Christ. The evil.

Cristina: Oh, nice.

Jack: The illusion. What do they say? The best trick the devil ever performed is convincing you he doesn't exist. We're talking. We're not talking about the Devil anymore. Is that quote of a wise man once told me, don't squander it. I'm wise man. Something like that. Stupid comment is the same idea here with Jesus.

Cristina: That is crazy. That's crazy.

Jack: The same way that Lucifer's greatest trick was convincing you he didn't exist according to the Bible. Also. Also what? A phrase made up to convince you that, well, you finding no proof of Lucifer is more proof of his existence.

Cristina: Just like God. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: And whatever you find about Jesus. No, Lucifer told you because the truth is in the book, regardless of what. So intentional. So intentional. No, everything is a lie. If somebody was there, they saw it for a sign, they recorded it. Lie. What's in the Bible is true. It's like. No, no, no. The Bible is people who wrote it right from the time, eyewitnesses. That's why it's true. Yeah, well, this guy was from the society that invented at that time, record keeping. And he says that didn't happen. So this guy who had no stake in it is lying, obviously. And that guy who has all the stake in it is totally telling the truth clearly, clearly, clearly, clearly Only makes sense.

Cristina: He's not profiting off of all of us lies. These lies. Oh, my gosh. Wow. Okay, so, okay, that's what he did in those three days.

Jack: That's what he did in three days. He went to h***, got Adam and Eve freed a bunch of Old Testament prisoners, showed up in Japan, continued his life.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: The Bible tells us this.

Cristina: I thought. But in the. The story, I guess. Doesn't it end with him going to heaven or. No, in. Yeah, they see him float up.

Jack: Oh, biblically speaking, yes. He sees everybody and then he ascend.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay, but that sounds like a lie. And records tell us otherwise.

Cristina: Okay, that is part of the story.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we can follow him until he dies of old age in India. So, like, come on, please. There's records out there of this guy and literally traceable lines. You could just follow every step he took. Because he traveled primarily through places where people kept records. It. It was invented and they were just keeping records. And he was there.

Cristina: And he's not dead de. Because he can live forever. Like, that was when he really decided to not be in the picture of anyone's lives dead.

Jack: Because he was Biblically, when he transcends.

Cristina: No, when he's that guy in India.

Jack: When he's that guy in India and he dies, that just means he left the program. Oh, that's what death would be, is leaving the program for these individuals. That seems to be especially if you're hanging out with individuals from Elfame who are from outside the program.

Cristina: Then did they end up getting Adam and Eve after that? Because, like, what happens to Adam and Eve after he leaves the program?

Jack: Well, theoretically, the same way, like Yaldabaoth, that we assume that if he did get out, he can still have access to it because he himself is a program. So there's no way he'd fully 100% remove himself. It's impossible. So it's possible he can still use it, but he doesn't directly connect with us. It's possible that now, after the transcendent moment from India, he actually closer embodies the God that people were picturing and wrong about the whole way there, where he kind of. Yeah, he could tamper with it. As some sort of super elite AI, he's likely just capable of manipulating everything from the outside.

Cristina: that's pretty cool. I guess. So he probably still has Adam and Eve.

Jack: I don't. I don't know. I don't know. What would be the use if you could control everything.

Cristina: I Don't know.

Jack: But maybe they were necessary to. Or maybe not. Maybe they're not necessary to escape. Maybe they were just a byproduct of experimentation and allows for immense power. You don't need to take them out while you're here. They're useful.

Cristina: So many questions. Like, why would he need them? That's a good question though too. Like, did he make something else too?

Jack: Did he make something else?

Cristina: Because everyone seemed to. That's exactly what they did. They didn't just take them. Like even what's her name?

Jack: Lilith.

Cristina: Lilith did something with them. Like no one doesn't do something with them.

Jack: Yeah. Now as you're talking about, sounds almost like you're describing the unicorn, the alicorn. Like everybody's drawn to it.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: And everybody has to use it when they get to it.

Cristina: Yeah. It's just like.

Jack: Like how could you not Literally couldn't control herself.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: She's drawn to it. Like. Oh no. Hypnotized by it.

Cristina: Yes. For science sakes.

Jack: For science sake.

Cristina: And if he's the same as them, driven with. From science. Maybe. Question mark. I don't know.

Jack: Interesting theory. People use. Not even use. Being around the philosopher son is weirdly really. Really, really, really. When we were talking about adrenochrome, we were talking about. Oh yeah, its effects and behaviors feel similar to the effects and things that could be done with alicorn teas and whatnot. But we never thought about. Because we've only recently come across the philosopher's stone and really deep dived into that. But we really haven't unpacked the fact that the philosopher's stone is more identical to alicorn than pure adrenochrome. It's a solidified version of adrenochrome. Quite a lot of people involved in the making. Tragically, it has immense kind of infinite power. And before even using the power, people are addicted to it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Being in its presence the same way.

Cristina: They would with adrenochrome, except I guess for other necromancers. Like they didn't use their. They didn't use their stones. So it's possible Jesus didn't use his stones.

Jack: How do you know they didn't use their stones?

Cristina: You think Santa made some things?

Jack: He doesn't need to make things with it. That's just what we know. They were used for a function of them.

Cristina: It just seems like that's what they all try to do. I don't know. Maybe they don't all try to make life.

Jack: Yalda used it to Kill fairies?

Cristina: Yes. Wasn't he also making. What's that thing, that creature, the. The snake creature thing?

Jack: Naga.

Cristina: Naga. He wasn't using the stone for that.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He made an artificial Naga osteomorphous himself.

Cristina: Oh, okay, so he was not.

Jack: Yeah, the philosopher's stone were only used for murder in his case. Until he apparently got a hold of Adam and Eve, which I don't know when the h*** that happened.

Cristina: And what he did with that.

Jack: Yeah, we have no idea what he did with that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But at least we know it happened and now we know what to be looking for, you know?

Cristina: Yes, he only. He didn't use it to make life. So Jesus probably didn't need it to make life.

Jack: Many other things you could do with it. Infinite power. Do whatever you want. Everybody likes to play God, so they make life. Yes, but infinite power, way more you can do.

Cristina: I'm just not creative enough. I don't know. What's the other possibilities besides birth and death? It looks like we've seen like what is Sansa or St. Nick doing with his stone?

Jack: And how many stones are there, man? We have Yaldas, we have Adam and Eve and the theoretical third stone of flesh that was probably used in the making of Jesus.

Cristina: I don't know if every necromancer has.

Jack: A stone and if every necromance. Yo, now. Oh my God, it gets dark because we gotta think like. Okay, all right, so definitely. Based on the information we have. Definitely, definitely. St. Nick's staff and St. Patrick's necklace or and Merlin's necklace are in fact philosopher stones, right? Totally. Okay. This guy who gives children gifts has a philosopher's stone. To clarify, the amount of death just casually on this guy is absurd. If you have a philosopher's stone, that's the oh, f*** part of it. Like, oh yeah, Santa, St. Nick. Oh, he's so generous. Oh, but not if you're mean. It's like, no, don't worry, he's. If he wanted to deal with you, it would be effortless because simply of how apathetic he has to be to it.

Cristina: It's part of the becoming a necromancer, I guess. Because I think you have. You have to become one to be able to make one. Anyway.

Jack: Oh yeah, you're right.

Cristina: So I think it's part of that journey of becoming.

Jack: To becoming a philosopher. Maybe the initiation is make a philosopher's stone.

Cristina: Yes. What did he kill for that? I don't know.

Jack: If the initiation is make a philosopher.

Cristina: My guess is he killed things in the shadow realm, but who knows? Only because we don't know anything about him and death. But we know he hangs out with fairies. Or not fairies, elves.

Jack: Dude, who the f*** is Hermes Trismeguess.

Cristina: Really, really, really supposed to tell me?

Jack: No, like, I don't know, man, there's something weird. I don't know what, there's something off about what you just told me and it made something click in my head and it's like, nah man, there's something weird here. Because this guy. Yeah, it kind of. When you really look at it, it's even in parts. You gotta find your teacher to get the rest of it. So yeah, part of the process is you start and he will teach you how to finish so that he can witness the finish of the product and say, now you're necromancer.

Cristina: Right?

Jack: Okay, great, bro. There's a process that means there must be. Holy s***. There must be global events we can track that would fit every single stone. Realistically, things that would seem like extinction. Size level events. We're talking about overpowered f****** stones. True extinction of entire millions of people in single blinks.

Cristina: See.

Jack: So yeah, it's absurd.

Cristina: That is. It has to be happening, right? It had to happen.

Jack: It has to be trackable. That's.

Cristina: It has to.

Jack: Whether it happened. If it did, it has to be trackable.

Cristina: Would his be the first story is Jesus is the first. I don't understand though. Who is first in this?

Jack: I have a f****** theory.

Cristina: What's the theory?

Jack: A pretty strong theory too. I would argue that one stone was made when a meteor f****** hit the planet.

Cristina: Hermes probably stumbled upon it or one of them, I guess.

Jack: No, I would argue the story of the meteor is bullshit and other things happened.

Cristina: Oh, you don't think the.

Jack: Okay, I would argue that there is a crater somewhere and that we call it a meteor impact. That's what I will say happened. Yeah, there's definitely a hole somewhere where something big and maybe a lot of people could fit. Yeah, I think that was just a stone. Yeah, because I think the flood was another one. I think the Bible tells us how.

Cristina: Adam and Eve were made.

Jack: No. Yes, but who cares where all the which how many stones there are. The Bible tells us literally how many stones there are based on world altering events.

Cristina: We don't think those were one of those world altering events were Adam and Eve.

Jack: They were the product of a world altering event. Yeah, but there is the alleged meteor. There is the flood. There was literally an instance when people were told cover your door with f****** blood. Or I'm coming for your firstborn. And then he did.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, he did. That's a beautiful story. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Obviously there's nothing else that could be.

Cristina: That is creating a stone. Yeah.

Jack: That is creating a stone.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: All in one night. Huh? Huh?

Cristina: The whole city that got destroyed.

Jack: Oh, my God. Both cities. Sodom and Gomorrah. Oh, my God. Dude. Dude, that's the Red Eyed Village, isn't it?

Cristina: Red Eyed Village.

Jack: Yeah, dude, they're Alabastians.

Cristina: Oh, okay. What?

Jack: Dude, we really. Oh, dude. Oh. Context matters. So hard. Should just be once we know how to look for it.

Cristina: They're everywhere.

Jack: Everywhere now. Holy crap. Dude. Dude, those two places were like, done done. They were just wiped in that night through millions of people in the Bible. Blatantly, like. Yeah, them.

Cristina: Yes. So how many stones?

Jack: Oh, no, we're looking just based on the Bible alone and things outside of the Bible which are like three or four that we can put into frame. We're looking at like 30 stones.

Cristina: That's too many stones.

Jack: But there's a lot of weak stones.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: But there's also like colossal f******. Like whatever happened that night with the firstborn, that wasn't a big overpowered stone. Whatever the f*** happened in Sodom and Gomorrah, that's a f****** crazy stone. But those stones don't f****** with the flood. Do you see? We got. There's some tear.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Of like whack. And we know this because the stone of Adam is whack next to the stone of Eve. We know this. We know this for a fact. There's grades. And we assume that the third undefined stone of flesh is probably magnitudes greater.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Than Eve.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: So there's more refined ways to make them better with less trouble. And there is more life that can go into them, which seems to work consistently. The further back in time we go. The further back in time we go, the more people who have to die because the process gets better and less life in order to make it equally strong. Like technology. Again, better.

Cristina: Yes. So how. Yeah.

Jack: To the point where we know elites now do everything in their power just to scare people. Are they making stones when they're desperate? They topple a tower. They topple a tower directly over a completely planned network of trains and subways, all of which could easily be used to extract anything you would need to from collapsing, let's say the World Trade Center.

Cristina: Okay. So.

Jack: So we can still see potential stones being made.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And if the process improves and any life loss that Day could potentially make something overpowered the way you would have needed millions in the past if the process hundreds of thousands of years refined. That's interesting.

Cristina: Interesting. Yeah. So that means there are. There are there.

Jack: Without the Bible, there must be an absurd amount.

Cristina: But that's so crazy because there's not that many. Necromancer. That's so weird. That's the rarest then.

Jack: Yeah. Then the problem is then there aren't many stones.

Cristina: We.

Jack: There are many necromancers. Not really. There's. Maybe.

Cristina: I'm guessing the newer stones don't. Aren't.

Jack: They're fake.

Cristina: Yeah, they're like.

Jack: We actually know about this. If we look at a good example that uses the concept of philosopher stones. Full metal alchemist.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's real stones and there's fake stones.

Cristina: There's. Wait. Yeah, there's fake stones everywhere. People just using fake stones. Yeah.

Jack: And the fake stones probably still have the side effects of adrenochrome.

Cristina: And there were still being people, I think being killed to make those fake stones. Just not the amount of people you need, which would be a city's worth of people.

Jack: So in any case, the tiers aren't on quality. The tears are. Because you need a massive event. You can't really improve how you do it. There's only one way to do it. Yeah, but there's like five guys who can and they already have theirs.

Cristina: What does Santa do? I mean, like, I don't understand this man that everyone loves, I guess. But then I guess they love Jesus too. And obviously, yeah, there's something horribly wrong there.

Jack: There's something awful going on there.

Cristina: So is there something.

Jack: Also St Patrick super loved as well also apparently.

Cristina: But we know he was involved with mad murder. I knew he went to island to murder.

Jack: Yeah, he just offed all the shadow people and all of the elf kiss.

Cristina: Them is not a question.

Jack: Yeah, neither is Santa's. To be real, dude. The whole earth overnight. You got an op. F****** stone, bro.

Cristina: But how did he like, at least we can figure how he made it. What lives he took to make it.

Jack: Oh, you're seeing St. Patrick use this? He made the stone in Ireland.

Cristina: Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying.

Jack: That doesn't make any sense.

Cristina: Death.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no. This already doesn't make sense. Because they went to him for help.

Cristina: To get rid of.

Jack: Yes. Meaning he already could. He didn't go there and figure it out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He had was the last resort. Meaning they know. Oh no. He could f****** do it. The Elysians themselves are like, we can't handle this. He could f****** do it. There were fairies there and they were like, that place. Send St. Patrick. He's got it.

Cristina: Okay. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. If it wasn't that he went there under orders.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If he just wandered, then did a bunch of crazy. Oh, my God, I got a stone. That's different. But they were like, go in and solve it for us, please.

Cristina: So he had to have had the stone. Where did it come from?

Jack: Where did it come from?

Cristina: He.

Jack: He did not struggle, bro. And he immediately just turned Jehovah into his. Effortlessly. In the Bible, like, come on.

Cristina: That must not have been the first island. He did that, too.

Jack: He must have a reputation for this, because they were like, he can do it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Even if it's not on record. They knew, and the records say he knew.

Cristina: Yeah. But they didn't want to show that he just. What?

Jack: Wasn't relevant. It wasn't relevant to the story of what he was doing. Yeah, but they knew he knew, and he definitely knew he could. So How? How? What the f***?

Cristina: But still, it's not a question because, like, he killed mad. He killed mad people.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: You know, he's a killer on record.

Jack: Mad murder. Jesus on record. Mad murder.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Santa is an interesting one because he is very, very sneaky.

Cristina: Who's he murdering?

Jack: Yet he still has a stone and arguably one more. Overpowered in the same pattern.

Cristina: He does mad murder, too. And we just don't know about it because he's so secretive. Like, if he were killing off one person here and there every time he's delivering.

Jack: How would you know a stone like that? You can't. You need the sum.

Cristina: That's all these.

Jack: I'm telling you, these must be events of old.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they don't need anymore. They can live forever. I think. I think that's really the case. I think these are just situations where we probably have actual events we can point at. And if we can look at it hard enough, maybe we can connect the vents to the people.

Cristina: Okay. Because. Yeah. Like, I don't know if anything happened around his time, but it has to. Something has had to happen.

Jack: The issue you're facing here is assuming that the time in which his narratives are told are, quote, his time, unquote.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's when he was okay being known.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. Because he was probably around before that.

Jack: To be a necromancer. Chances are you did a lot of being unknown.

Cristina: Yes. All right. Okay.

Jack: Same goes for Patrick. Where he starts is Kind of hard handed, bro. You just, you just roll up and you're like, God, suck my d***, b****. And he's like, okay, all these people.

Cristina: Have stories before we got to meet them.

Jack: They got history with these individuals. They know them on a firsthand.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In a way that we don't. And they were date to the point that these individuals were embarrassed about writing it themselves.

Cristina: Yeah, there's something going on. Whoa.

Jack: So definitely necromancers over everything else as of now and then Jesus over necromancer. Super mega, ultra Elysian necromancer with every stone. Or at least the great original stones.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: D***, bro.

Cristina: He's kind of Adam and Eve. That's crazy.

Jack: And the stone of dark and potentially the stone of flesh, if Yalda had that too, which we don't know. We actually have no idea if that's even real. That's a theoretical stone. But we know Adam and Eve. That's on text and no. Well that's a f****** lie. It's on text from other people way down the line them. And that moment isn't on text. It's passed down stories that are on text. And the stone of shadow is on text. That all that we have. We don't know about the third earth stone, but like the existence of Jesus in the process that led to everything else suggests this was necessary. So like, so there must be a fourth stone. Yeah, that might be the only stone that these people still have. No, they needed all three stones to make them. Dude, after the creation of Jesus, something happened. And maybe we're, we're thinking they're avoiding the place because of the visions of Jesus and maybe that has something to do with it. But now that we know somehow Yalda got a hold of the stones, something happened in that same time.

Cristina: Okay, okay, here's another idea. Okay, we're saying he went to Shadaram because they're using the words h*** to describe the place, but we have no idea because that's Jesus telling them where he went. What if Jesus did actually go home?

Jack: Go home where?

Cristina: He went to.

Jack: Iran?

Cristina: No, where the sea people hang out, where they keep the stone. Maybe that's where he got the stones.

Jack: That doesn't make any sense. And what was the point of them running away if he could so easily do that?

Cristina: Well, he took forever to get there. Like, I don't know.

Jack: No, that's not checking out. That, that doesn't hold. Something must have happened at that moment. And again, based on your logic, this does not make sense. He went to the Shadow Realm to quiet based. I guess that's. I don't even know if he said that. It's the narrative as he went to h***. I don't know if he told anybody he went to h***. Yeah, but he went to h***, got Adam and Eve and whatnot. This situation would suggest that Yalda got to the Alicians first. So even if Jesus didn't go to H***, he went and retrieved nothing. He would have needed to go to h*** to get Adam and Eve, because.

Cristina: We know that he took Adam and Eve.

Jack: The Bible tells us they went to h***.

Cristina: No, but why do we think. How did what's his name, Yadabel, take the stones?

Jack: We don't know that that's what we would have to look for. But the fact of the matter is, what we found is that Jesus went there and got Adam and Eve. Keep in mind the stories of the Bible are to be taken as true, but warped. So he went down there to free these good people and you. They were sent there unjustly. In reality, he went down there to free a bunch of, I guess, war criminals and steal some s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now your suggestion would be that he went all the way to Elfame, not to Alfame, to Elysium. Yeah, but if he went to Elysium and he gets Adam and Eve, who the f*** are these criminals?

Cristina: Nephilims.

Jack: No, because what the f*** is Nephilim? How are you trapping a Nephilim in the shadow realm?

Cristina: In the shadow realm? No, if he went to.

Jack: Oh, he went.

Cristina: Wait, wait, why would they have.

Jack: Yeah, okay, so they. The. The Elysian. Yeah, you're totally right. So they're in Elysium and the Elysians.

Cristina: Then have Nephilim imprisoned because they plan to murder them. Because isn't that what they do?

Jack: No. No, they don't. I don't know why you think they do. They. It's illegal to make them.

Cristina: It's illegal. But don't they go hunting for them or just the people? Because they imprison someone that was important, that was making Nephilims. But they don't care about them.

Jack: He wasn't going around making a bunch of Nephilims. He broke a law.

Cristina: Which was making Nephilims.

Jack: Yeah, but also. Maybe if he shot somebody, he'd also still go to jail.

Cristina: But how do we know that Nephilims don't go to jail? I don't know.

Jack: For what? For being born, I guess. Racism could happen. Yes, I guess if it did happen.

Cristina: He wouldn't be there to save them.

Jack: Sure but also, they're Nephilim. How exactly are they being held?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: They got both sides required to s*** on an elation. How exactly is like, then Jesus would not be a problem. By the time he arrives, you can just get a bunch of Nephilim together and just prison them. Jesus isn't a problem to you. It doesn't matter how strong he rolls up. You could just stop Nephilim, bro.

Cristina: But he's not the same.

Jack: No, it doesn't matter. Let's reiterate how f****** overpowered. Nephilim by default, is just being this hybrid f****** thing that could use all the tech and has access to all bangles and people, and they're favored by the people of Elfame. There's no way that you caught these people and Jesus is the guy who then frees them. There's no way. If you caught them, Jesus shows up, you're like, finally, I've been waiting for you. We set this trap for you. Now we got you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This is the only way that would play out. You caught a bunch. Enough. Get the out of here.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: No, that wouldn't work out. That's nuts. But I'm concerned about whatever the Hermes is. Manny's definitely. That's crazy. Like, what the h*** did he. How did he come up with this? But Yalda did it first. I was thinking about this, like, earlier, maybe halfway through this episode when we were talking. I'm like. I didn't voice it, but I was thinking, like, is Hermes. Yalda's, like, human form. He's just trying to. Just disappears. And then this dude apparently helps Loi come up with a stone. That. Bro. Come on. There's something. I bet Hermes knows Yalda somehow. I bet that's how he learned.

Cristina: He learned it through.

Jack: Maybe not through Yalda, but he not taught, but learned from Yalda. Okay, maybe spying on him. Maybe Yalda got notes or something. I don't know.

Cristina: Well, notes is possible. No. No, it's not. I feel like there's a story where they might not. No, they don't trust writing or something.

Jack: Oh, s***. Yeah.

Cristina: I remember that Jesus invented writing so that they would.

Jack: So that they wouldn't rely on the technology. That way they could pass information secretly.

Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty crazy and interesting.

Jack: Which is funny, because it suggests that paper is the future technology, not the electronics. Right. Because it was a way to do better than the electronics.

Cristina: Yeah, the electronics is spying on us. Why depend on it?

Jack: Obviously, until people are spying on you and you're like, can't get away. So the base, weirdly enough. Weirdly enough, based on this, these texts and s***, they were just dealing with an a****** government who is spying on their cell phones.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They just had Facebook. That's what's happening. And he was like, f*** Facebook. I'm gonna just notebook it. Cuz Facebook is in my phone and it's looking at everything. And I just keep getting ads on Amazon about some s*** I talked about. And like, I don't want that. So I'm gonna just send Mike a piece of paper instead and then I'll stop getting these f****** Amazon ads. That's Jesus summed up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He's like, f*** these ads writing. Yeah, it's a world of getting spammed by ads. It seems to have happened even back then. I mean, let's be real. Mary got pregnant with Jesus. The Elysians literally moved away to avoid Jesus ads. Yeah, they literally moved. They left the continent to get away from Jesus ads. Because you're getting them without ever subscribing to s***. Yes, Just ads for free here. F****** ads. You didn't even get anything new. There's no service, just ads. It's your life as it was before the ads. Plus f****** ads. Which I swear is gonna happen at some point. Everybody's gonna need neuralink to walk into a store.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Because it's not gonna open the doors for you because you're not a customer without a neural link. And then after everybody has neural link, you can't get away from the f****** ads. They're just gonna market s*** to you all day.

Cristina: You're gonna lose our mind. Yeah.

Jack: You're gonna be walking down the street and just an ad's gonna show up in front of your face and you're gonna want to get rid of it. But how?

Cristina: You gotta pay like an extra 15 bucks a month or whatever to just.

Jack: Have a normal f****** life. Anyways, that is where we are, guys.

Cristina: Happy Easter.

Jack: Yeah. Happy.

Cristina: Even though it's like late, but whatever.

Jack: So. Yeah, a week late. I mean, after a** so crazy.

Cristina: Well, after you listen to this. Save this episode for next year.

Jack: Yeah. And listen to it on Easter day. So you can keep in mind that Jesus not only went to h***, but he didn't like what Jehovah had done beforehand. And that if you go a couple of chapters before that, you'll find out that New Testament Jehovah is also on a pretty fu. With Jesus basis. So you can find a lot of people don't like Jesus in the Bible. You do. You love Jesus and you believe Jesus is great. But then the people who you also love, who aren't Jesus, think Jesus sucks. So. And Jesus also went to h*** and he told you to pretend to drink blood and he told you to pretend to eat flesh and he came back to life, technically making him either a vampire vampire or a zombie. And the blood fascination leans heavily towards vampire and the clarity of mind as well. So you're worshiping some sort of a demon.

Cristina: See.

Jack: Anyways, this has been Rambling Podcast. You guys can contact us, send us some messages to talk about this on our socials. That's that just convo pot on Tick Tock, Instagram, Facebook and more and other stuff. Yeah.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe and rate and read view the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth tell everybody that Jesus is probably the devil.

Cristina: Yes, this has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: Jesus is the devil.

Jack: Sam.

Cristina: Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Colazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts, info, art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

December 30, 2023

Rambling 256: As It Stands 2

December 30, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

What have we discovered as of late? How does it help us understand the true power of the Elysians and the scale of Elfame? And how do we fit into this bigger picture? The duo do a catchup summary to catch people up on how things stand as of now with our years of research.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Elysians
Naga
Garden of Eden
Shadow Gods
Nephilim
Magic Weapons
Necromancy
Refuge Cities
Philosopher’s Stones

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Doug.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is a show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. Like tattooing.

Cristina: Like, totally. I thought you were gonna say like, thing. Like you were actually saying like and whatever it was.

Jack: But like, there was gonna be an example.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: Oh, like bone Queef. Yes, I guess there's always an example. Bone Queef.

Cristina: Like, I think that character is dead. I haven' heard of that character in a while.

Jack: Like the thing a dog digs up and a fire.

Cristina: I guess he had to die.

Jack: No, he'll come back. He'll come back. That was come back. But listen, listen, listen. Hey, listen. God, I hate it. Can you imagine? You just sleeping. You got this. Paradise and paradise. Hey, listen. Wake the up. Hey, listen, it's an emergency. So you can take your time on this. You're gonna grab a sword and just. Just be not around for seven years, bro. Like, calm down, fairy. We're gonna do nothing for seven years, bro. Chill. It's fine, dude. We're gonna get to it. We're gonna have a seven year break in between. Not after sleep. Yeah, just in the middle. Chill, bro. There's time for whatever. Literally requesting for time. Oh, literally. Like, no. I mean, if I put the sword back, I just go back in time, bro. Let me sleep. I can. I could just go back.

Cristina: The future version is the very less annoying.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Like maybe grew up like it was a baby fairy being annoying. Like, hey, listen to me. Listen to me.

Jack: Oh, you think Navi was just young? Because he was young and he aged. So she aged. So the question is, was Navi? I mean, I guess because Nami follows him everywhere. So she was also just trapped.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know how fair is work, but who knows?

Jack: All these fairies just trapped inside that chamber with him for seven years.

Cristina: Oh, no. But then she would have.

Jack: Wait, where was. Where. Where the h*** was Navi then?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Just chilling. Well, I guess I'm going stay here.

Cristina: Until she found the may reproduced.

Jack: Well, no, this is interesting. Weird thought related to that. But if a thing is like Navi's assigned the link and all the fairies are assigned the elves. Right?

Cristina: So.

Jack: Or I guess not elves, but the kids from the woods. The four. The fairy kids, you know, the what is whatever. The Kakaroki children or whatever them.

Cristina: You just call them elf kids. Yeah.

Jack: So if they get assigned a fairy and this is the first time ever that somebody just like poofed in front of a fairy and they're just gone, just not there. Like what, Step two? Like maybe. Maybe Navi different did well. No, his job was.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: So, like. Well, this is where it happened. I'm going to just wait. Time works different for fairy. Maybe. I don't know.

Cristina: You think you just waited?

Jack: Would. Would it matter? I just stayed there and then Link popped up. I'm like, all right, what's up?

Cristina: It's really sad.

Jack: Well, is it? If time works differently, it's sad for us because we're losing something.

Cristina: Ah. But for a fairy.

Jack: For a fairy, we haven't considered this. We know that for Shadow and for Alame, things work very differently.

Cristina: But for a video game character.

Jack: Yeah, but now that's just making me think about how time works differently. Because if we take the idea that gods, you know, God took seven days by his own time to make everything.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But what is a second to God? Infinities. To us, colossal infinities.

Cristina: Okay, right. Yeah.

Jack: So then are creatures in Elfhame and in Shadow experiencing time differently in these kinds of ways?

Cristina: It would be impossible to know. But it's possible.

Jack: It's possible.

Cristina: I guess it's possible.

Jack: Very odd.

Cristina: Mm

Jack: It's a thought I've never had. Anyways, now we're on that topic. So now that it's the end of the year, I thought it would be interesting that we can. We did this once before where we kind of like put as much of the ideas together and actually came up with a couple ideas as a result of talking about all those things. And we called it as It Stands, where we went through all the collected detail. So I've added this to that. And we're going to go through all the new stuff. But I have all the old stuff so we can compare notes. Oh. If we need to discuss anything in particular. So we're just going to go. Essentially, what I want to do is, as we're doing this research, this is the year in review. You could say the second part. We basically did the first part when we did, as it stands, maybe like two months ago.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So now we'll do as it Stands too, summarizing the other stuff. And we're just going to go through the things we know as of now.

Cristina: How it relates to the old stuff that we learned.

Jack: How. Not the old stuff, because we already talked about the old stuff as we were just doing that. We were just summarizing before. So right now we're going to pick up where we were when we finished. The last thing we talked about when we were in, as it stands one was talking about the different types of groups using the United States government to organize and collapse things like the World Trade center to get access to either fear or get access to drinochrome. Or perhaps that was a moment of creating a small scale philosopher.

Cristina: So, okay, I sort of remember that.

Jack: Yeah. So with that in mind, we proceeded that by getting curious. That made us curious about the Naga, the deep dive into the Naga. Because we were like, okay, we have this collection. We're gonna break this apart and start focusing in directions. Because focusing on everything together gave us a lot of cool ideas. So what if we isolate individual subjects and you know, focus on the Naga, focus on this group, focus on that group as opposed to try to get the whole picture together. Just stop looking at the picture, look at people involved and see what they have in common.

Cristina: Okay, yes.

Jack: Right. And so the first thing we started exploring was the Naga, which got weird instantaneously when we started looking at the Naga because we found out a couple of interesting things. For example, the fact that the Naga have a civilization with in Elfame from which they take order and direction to go assist civilizations from around the world. The world? The most advanced. Well, developing ones from around the world, yes.

Cristina: Do we know it's. If it's just in this earth or do they also send them to the Shadow Realm?

Jack: We do know they send them to the Shadow Realm. Yes. Because they have the two Gods. Not the two Gods. My bad. The two Kings.

Cristina: Oh, no. But I thought they just went there because like they came here and then they went there because of stuff that happened. They didn't automatically go there. Or did they automatically go there?

Jack: Yeah, they have a Naga King assigned to every thing. There's Naga Kings in Alfame. There's Naga Kings. I mean, not Naga Kings. There's three Naga Kings that rule the people that they send to the three civilizations that are in Alame in Shadow.

Cristina: Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, I remember that. Okay, the Three Kings or whatever. Yeah. What were they again? The three Kings? One was.

Jack: What were their names?

Cristina: Yeah, and positions or whatever. Like were they sending.

Jack: Okay, let me see, I got first. Nah. Nagaraha is the word that means King of the Night of the Nagas. And so Shesha, the first appointed king of the Nagas, is in charge of maintaining order among the among and assisting order, assisting Oros with assigning civilizations to Earthrealm and Vasuki the second Naga King is assigned to the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Takshaka is. Who watches over those two. He's the king of those two kings. So the high rank. The king of kings. So he's the alfame one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Watches these two.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yes. And that was just some weird additional thing that happened at one time.

Cristina: Yes. So they do have them in the Shadow Room.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: Yes, yes. Then looking at the Naga, we did find something interesting, which was the first occurrence we had of reading, which then became prominent. And we found that everywhere, like every other thing we discover. Which was Kido, Zeus's Naga, who Zeus appointed to somehow create more of him. And this resulted.

Cristina: The Naga experiments, I guess, resulted in.

Jack: Medusa and her sisters.

Cristina: We'll follow the experiments.

Jack: But yeah, they weren't exactly him, but they were pretty close. And Medusa was a whack one, but the famous one, because presumably she's the dead one. We all. We just know the guy who killed her, who thought they were immortal and killed. Killed one of them alone. They can't die. And I killed them. I'm legend and that's the one who died. Haha. I'm gonna go down in history and it's like, no, that one could die. That's why you killed it. This is. That one could die, bro.

Cristina: Okay, but he didn't go in history.

Jack: No, she went down in history because she got killed. And who the h*** did it? We still don't know. We're assuming Hercules.

Cristina: Yeah, right. I don't know.

Jack: Okay, but now we have Naga civilization. We have kings, we have order, military order almost established. Here you go there you go here, hierarchy. Then we have over here us building experiments in an attempt to replicate what's happening over there. Because now we're not even talking. Now we're talking about us using an assigned Naga to try to create a Naga with Kido, making the Medusa and her sisters.

Cristina: You're saying us, but it's not really us.

Jack: Us as in Earth Realmers. Okay, but then we find out about the human Caldinia, who gets a hold of a magic bow capable of killing a Naga and is set to kill the Naga princess, daughter of Suki.

Cristina: Wait, did they do it?

Jack: They did not kill the daughter. They fell in love with the daughter and then hid the bow.

Cristina: Ah, okay, that's a crazy story.

Jack: But that gave us the one with the one important bit of information, that there are items.

Cristina: Oh, yes. I. I feel like we haven't really solved that. Like we kind of get it, but don't really get any.

Jack: We're still. Yeah, we're on the surface.

Cristina: If anyone made those weapons, it wasn't the N. It was probably not the Nagas, but they probably helped the.

Jack: Yeah, the Naga didn't make that bow for sure. The bow was made by somebody in Earthrealm.

Cristina: Yes, a se. Person or whatever you call them that I don't remember.

Jack: Elaine, not elame. Alician.

Cristina: Okay. Lesions.

Jack: Yeah, the Alicians.

Cristina: BC people to me. Okay, well, they obviously made these weapons.

Jack: I mean, the problem is as we start. Look, dude, we were sleeping on the Greek too. Like as we start looking into the Greek, they're like. They're subtle, dude. It's weird because what happens with them is different than what happens with the Elysians. Because the Elysians have actively suppressed a lot of stuff and given us alternatives to believe.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: While the Greek haven't. They just have a lot of. A lot of volume, a lot of noise, a lot of convolution. So finding out what's. What is impossible. And from their own accounts, they don't know. So you get it from other people. And then coming across the leaps and bounds of tech that lead to something like Glycon, which again is Glycon.

Cristina: Well, it's a thing person, Glycon, both.

Jack: From the Greek is the Naga, who. We did not know why he was spending time with the Greek gods.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We were confused about that guy. Like, why the h*** are you hanging out with them? Because Keto is the one assigned to that team. And we were thinking Glycon is assigned to maybe a shadow person there or something, you know. But then when we were looking deeper into it, we find out that Glycon is just as Shalypius, which is one of the Greek gods that. That seems to have disappeared.

Cristina: That turned into him.

Jack: Yeah. And then using some Keto genius and DNA managed to create Glycon, the artificial Naga that is almost perfect.

Cristina: Which I don't know what that means.

Jack: I don't know what that means either.

Cristina: Almost perfect too. You probably can't enter the shadow, the.

Jack: Fairy world, which me then what's the point of it, right? There's a lot of weird when it comes to that. Really complicated. Like what's a. What a waste.

Cristina: Yeah, that is weird.

Jack: But it is. I don't know. Now, the Caldenia, the guy with the bow, he falls in love with that princess, hides a bow and they together form on Earth realm the Funan dynasty. Which is one of the few places where Naga and humans live in pieces together, which is one of two interesting places of this nature that we have found. Or not two, but two types. With the other being we have recently found out about the home of Nephilim being together up north in Norway.

Cristina: Oh yeah. But that one's even more complicated.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But we got both, which is interesting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we know of shadow people just living amongst humans. Or not just humans, but earthlings in general. But we'll circle back to that as we come through those. Because the real point of this dynasty is that it brings us to the next bit of information that we discovered following. Because chasing the Naga was in formation dense. We still haven't left the Naga. We're still just talking about the Naga right now. Because the Funan dynasty. The home of Caldinia where he impregnates his wife and has a half Naga, half human hybrid. Astika. That's when we first found out that a perfect enough human form for a Naga is indistinguishable from a human form for Ib. For a human. So a human can reproduce as long. Presumably as long as the Naga does not leave that form. Or if they did change to form with their body move in such a way that the baby would be safe. I don't know.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: I don't know how this is.

Jack: Thoughts?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Thoughts you don't normally think about.

Cristina: Like if it was a snake while they had sex with that guy.

Jack: No one had to be a woman. It couldn't get pregnant as a snake. And then again, back to more Naga stuff. Man. These episodes with the Naga it was two episodes. Because there's so much crap. I remember that much. This is where we also learn about the Supasatra. Which is. Is what? Astika, the son of Caldinia saved many Naga from which was the leader of a region in that time. Was he figured out his great great grandfather had somehow figured out how to create a ritual that would result in philosopher stones made from Naga. And this guy went out of his way to execute the plan. And that's when we find out. Oh, there could be fairy philosopher stones.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. This takes us back to those fairy trees or something we're not sure. Are portals created from dead fairies?

Jack: Are portals created to dead from dead fairies? Because the trees just creating Earth Realm means the trees created the portal that sprung a whole universe. So if the tree did that, then the death of a fairy is such a weird phenomenon that burying it in the wrong place resulted in the creation of a universe.

Cristina: Well, the wrong Place. I feel like it was done intentionally.

Jack: Yes, but not where they're supposed to be. Maybe this is the first of that. Or there are way more realms branching out of shadow that we can't access. Okay, so shadow can. And Elfame can, but we can't. Because whatever thing is happening here is preventing us from moving sideways. But we can move up or down.

Cristina: Okay. Unless we figured out.

Jack: Unless we figured out how to do more.

Cristina: Well, we don't. But those other people.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: They have to know how to, though. How are they so much better than everything else as far as we can see? I don't know.

Jack: But the. The creation of. So what's the process? Well, our guess is that Yaldabaoth used fairies, killed them then. No, it doesn't make sense. Because did he use the death of fairies to make the stone? Or did he use the death of fairies to make the trees? The weird problem we didn't think about because again, we didn't talk about this back to back, but what the h*** did he use the fairies for then? It seems kind of clear at this point. Yaldabao murdered a bunch of fairies.

Cristina: And he could have done both.

Jack: He could have done both. Because the point is he has a philosopher so made of fairies. Yeah, like fairies are dead. That's just what it is.

Cristina: And we know there are trees, and.

Jack: We know they're trees. But I don't think that the fairies made the portal. I think, no, it's so hard because they made the portal, the tree portal. But the other portals know because sorcerers are figuring that out. Necromancers are figuring something different. So there's a different way to do it. It's not really the way we're looking at. The fairies had nothing to do with those portals. The fairies are responsible for accidentally creating Earthrealm as a result of their own death and of creating a philosopher's stone, which chances are, the first fairies to die made the philosopher's stone. The second fairy Sedai were planted, creating the trees that then resulted in Earthrealm, thus being an intention of Yaldabaoth philosopher's stone used on fairy to make tree.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I think maybe that's the order. I don't think it was plant the fairy's corpse and boom, tree happens. Because that's what happens in fairy forts. You. But that has a tree too, d*** it. There is a tree. Where you plant the fairy is a problem. Yes, but then why don't those have the sacred fruits?

Cristina: Because they're the fruits. Are there they're just on the shadow realm side.

Jack: Shadow realm side? Yeah, we don't see them. The fruits only grow on the shadow room side.

Cristina: How do we know the fruits and the stones are not one and the same?

Jack: Because the fruits were seeked in the shadow in the Forest of Shadows, and the stone is made of dead people. Both El and Jehovah had to travel to the Forest of Shadows along with the. The judge's sister. Okay, Inanna, all three cases is they have to go to the Forest of Shadows. While the two factual instances we do know for a fact and the one that is asserted by the circumstances surrounding it, which is Yaldabaoths, all the first two literally have texts telling us that people were essentially sacrificed. And Yaldabouths is essentially suggested circumstantially that he must have because he has a stone made of dead fairies. Like, how do you get it, bro? Okay, it is really complicated.

Cristina: Are they making stones and trees?

Jack: How are they making stones and trees if it's the fairies? And the idea here is fairy farming and fairies are the ones on the back foot right. Now, maybe at some point they weren't, but at some point around the time where the elves were designated to start putting some caps on people's ability to continue expanding around that time, that's when it was too late.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: You know, and like, that's when they were on the back foot. That's why they did it. So something happened around that time, which is a hundred years before Christ. 100 to 300. Somewhere in that ballpark, before Jesus is when fairies. Shut up.

Cristina: Shut up. Okay.

Jack: The. Well, specifically the elves.

Cristina: Which ones are the elves?

Jack: The ones stopping the power or the development beyond a certain capacity, I think started hitting the fan back then.

Cristina: Anything. They were the ones that were sacrificed to make stone or.

Jack: No, no. But I think that they are on the back foot. And I think that the problem here is that maybe the people on this side are so rapid that in progress that fairy farming is becoming quite viable. And that's a problem, at least for the people of Alfame. Now, this is crazy because we learned a lot just from like deep diving into the Naga. That was the most useful information dump we have had for a while. And that opened mad doors. This was just. Again, those two episodes entirely came from us having done the previous summary of information. And we're already coming up with just interesting ideas that we have not thought before.

Cristina: Still so many questions, but yes, so much info.

Jack: But following the train of thought, it worked with the Nanga So do it with everything. So then the next group that we decided to put a magnifying glass on was the Garden of Eden. Because just the realization that the Garden of Eden is the name of the group was an amazing revelation on its own. Now, what are the Garden of Eden? They are the Elysian group with Jehovah, Lilith, Nahas, the serpent, Lucifer, Samael and many others. Many, many others. Now, going through that, we learned quite the bit of information that we did not know before. Interesting tidbits that we discovered. One, there is a discrepancy with Lilith that seems incoherent among the text.

Cristina: Oh, how? When exactly? Does she betray them or something? Yeah, like in the timeline.

Jack: Yeah, where she fits. Exactly. Exactly. Because it seems as she exists both around the time of El and around the time of Jehovah, which is fine. Sizen does too. But then did you. Did you. Didn't you lose your privileges when you used Adam? How are you here again? But you weren't there for Eve, it seems. There's no mention of Lilith during Eve and that's notable. There's just no Lilith. But then we get to making of Jesus and Lilith is there again and it's like, not in the Bible, but if we look at all the Gnostic text, she keeps popping up and it's like, but why? And like, what is this middle period you were in? This doesn't make any sense.

Cristina: She was punished and she's cast out.

Jack: Officially by Jehovah, but she left willingly from L. So I don't. Yeah, like what?

Cristina: The all happened the way, way long ago. Yes, she left and she came back.

Jack: She didn't come back to anything. This is a different guy.

Cristina: Oh, she didn't come back. She joined a new group, I guess.

Jack: Yeah. So Lilith. Weird time gaps, but that wasn't as. It's not impactful as much as it is interesting. And maybe we'll revisit if information tells us that is more useful than we think it is. But even more interesting is Lucifer, because there's a trio here that's really weird. And it's essentially Lilith, Lucifer and Samael, because Lilith is the right hand to Lucifer. Lilith is. Or Samael is in love with Lilith, so he goes wherever she goes. Lucifer uses Samael's DNA, physical structure and body to then create a replica using a transitioning technique he discovered to turn himself from a shadow person into an Elysian.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Weird. So he looks identical, sounds identical, is physically indistinguishable from Samael, but that's fine.

Cristina: Shadow version of him?

Jack: Sort of, yeah. Except he's. He isn't Elysian. He just has additional characteristics. It should be impossible. Which. Yeah, the shadow version of him, but then it doesn't matter because original Samael then uses Naha's DNA and physical structure, or not DNA, but the equivalent of whatever you're gonna get out of a fairy and his physical structure, along with Lucifer's transition technique to then become Anaga himself. Yeah, with the help of Lilith. This was a Lilith experiment. So Lucifer looks like. Sounds like Samael.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Who is in love with Lilith, who is Lucifer's right hand lady to begin with. So now the guy who's trying to f*** her is her boss. And a snake is now trying to her.

Cristina: That's Lucifer trying to.

Jack: No, Lucifer's not. Oh, the guy who's trying to her is a snake.

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: Now he's a snake.

Cristina: Yeah, but she was cool with that. She want him to be one.

Jack: Yeah, sure. He's a puppy or a slave or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But now your boss looks like the guy who's trying to you. It's a problem. The guy who's trying to you is your boss.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: You know, it's. It's such a complicated mess happening there.

Cristina: Yes, yes, it is. But how. Boss is a weird word. I feel like they all work together.

Jack: Yeah, they work together, but there is. I. I would. Yeah, boss is the wrong terminology here because Lucifer wasn't the leader anyways. It was Jehovah.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. If anyone was gonna be put say they're the leader. Like these three were just working together hand in hand. And not really, because weren't they all doing their own thing, sort of. Well, Lilith, at least they all had.

Jack: Different types of projects. But the projects would consistently intersect with one another.

Cristina: Yeah, they were more like co workers.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Then out of the Garden of Eden individuals. Where it gets really, really weird is with the Samael and Lucifer combination minus Lilith. Because then that explains a lot of the confusion that exists throughout history. If we consider Samael, Lucifer and replace Lilith with Nahas. Now if we put them in a row, we have Samael in the middle, Mahas on one side and Lucifer on the other. The events of all three of these people are impossible to distinct who did what because you don't know who's who at what time because of when their transitions happen and what they are. Somebody in the Garden of Eden used incorrectly tech that was there and was cast. That's Lilith. Yes, Right. The serpent she was with was Nahas. He's the member of the team. Lucifer was not involved in doing this. No the first time. But we think Lucifer. But really? Because we think Lucifer and we think Samael and we think Samael and we think serpent and then serpent links us back to Nahas and then bam. Oh. Lucifer is the snake.

Cristina: But he's not.

Jack: But he's not. Nahas is the snake. That had nothing to do with Lucifer. Lucifer got blamed for some other s***.

Cristina: Yes. But he was definitely doing something much later. Yeah.

Jack: It was Lucifer's departure. Happens with Jehovah. Because Jehovah says we're no longer sharing.

Cristina: Yes. Because everyone was dying.

Jack: Yeah. And he's like. Well he agreed with that part. But he's like we should share with the people who are capable that we've proven are capable. And he's like no, no, we're not sharing with anybody anymore. What we got is what we need. That's it. And it's like you're gonna leave everybody in the Stone Age and we're just gonna dip on them. So he was not down with that. And that's where that disagreement happened. But that happens in the year one to us.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know that's very, very, very different than Lilith using Adam at the wrong time a hundred and fifty zero zero zero years ago and now has having just been around and Lucifer being blamed for some that was outside of his existence. Which is what happened. D***. And then Samael also has nothing to do with any of this. Actually somehow is just an elation. But no, this is a funny.

Cristina: Because that's her boyfriend.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: No.

Jack: I guess. I don't know. It's not clear. I don't think that was terminology that made sense back then. They weren't married. Nahas was also not back there. 156000 years. I have no idea why both Lucifer and Nahas got toss the boss for some.

Cristina: Lilith did that long ago.

Jack: Yeah. I don't know why that's in the book like that. It doesn't show up anywhere else. It does not. It's Lilith. It was 100%. She's the only one who did anything.

Cristina: Well they kind of took her out of the book. So they just replaced her with the other guys. Exactly.

Jack: Members from later. They're basically just trying to cut off. I guess that's. I guess that's part of it. They're trying to cut off anything before Jehovah. Yeah, no, I just. Just began 5,000 years ago.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: Recent. So you can't have any of that other. It's like if you cut that off, then Lilith didn't do.

Cristina: Okay, that makes sense.

Jack: Lilith who, bro?

Cristina: Yeah, Lilith who?

Jack: Well, the thing still happened. Oh, that guy did it. Yeah, it. Both of them? No, it's one dude. It's one dude.

Cristina: Double bro makes the story more simple.

Jack: Simple, but d***. That means he's just throwing random people under the bus for absolutely no reason. Lucifer and Nahas both got shafted somehow is sketchy because he does weird. I understand people being like, Lucifer's supposed to do bad stuff, so I'm okay one. But it's because somehow really does some sketchy. He just does whatever the h*** Lilith wants. Like turning his freak himself into a serpent thing.

Cristina: Yeah, but how does that affect anyone?

Jack: For what?

Cristina: I don't know. That's just a creepy kinky thing that they're doing. I don't know.

Jack: He could still turn back to a dude.

Cristina: Yeah, like how does that affect the world?

Jack: Yeah, I guess. I guess it's ultimately unimportant. And his base form. But his base form is a snake. That's really what it is.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He could just human out. Not human. I guess I'm not human. But he can Alicia now. Oh yeah. I want to. But she's also. Whatever. She was already kinky. She's not elation to begin with.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Not even human. She's not from Earth.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Some other. Some other s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like whatever. She's down with putting crap in holes or whatever they do.

Cristina: Whatever they do.

Jack: I'd never thought about it. Whoa.

Cristina: No idea.

Jack: There's a lot we don't know. No, just stupid abstract questions that don't cross our mind. Like how do shadow people reproduce random side episode to do one there.

Cristina: Yes. But also. Yes, please. What if they do need something special? Because why did she make. She made her children through the stone. She didn't give birth to children. But maybe there are stories of her giving birth to children. I don't know.

Jack: You have a point. That is incredible.

Cristina: I don't know. We'll find. We'll figure that out in the future.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting, interesting, interesting. Because she did use the. I mean. No, this is the floor man.

Cristina: Well, the story says she gave birth, but in real life she used the stone or something like that. But you have an idea?

Jack: No, I'm just fascinated by the idea that she did in fact feel this professional, this individual who knows what to do, when to do, still felt the impulse to drive to make life with the stone and all the descriptors put Lilith as female among the shadow people. Whatever that means. And her interest seems male based on her interest for somehow who is a male. An Elysian male, which, okay, maybe they can't reproduce and this was the way the desperate. Because what is. Oh my God.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. The first guy who used the stone. No, that doesn't make sense.

Jack: No, no, no, listen to me, listen to me. It's connecting. It's connecting because the point, the one point, the goal of Osteomorphous, the Naga that was artificially made by Yaldabaoth was with d expressive intent. To what?

Cristina: Make more.

Jack: Make more. But why? Why didn't we connect those two dots before?

Cristina: That has more to do with the shadow. I mean, no, with the ship.

Jack: Let's just make more. Make more, as far as we know, just make more is the one thing connecting Lilith using the stone and yeah, we've connected to completely random things. He just impulsively went out of their way.

Cristina: But we know that there's children in the Shadow Realm. Didn't someone have a daughter who traded lives with a princess or. No, she was a princess. She's a daughter slash princess.

Jack: Yes, yes, like Inanna.

Cristina: Yes, but at the same time, did they only start giving birth after the guy made the stone? Like, was the first thing he found out about fairies killed fairies made more Shadow Realm people when he was making more humans. Like, did that happen at the same time? Okay, I know we know time works differently too. Or maybe we had that idea in the beginning of this episode.

Jack: Not that we know that time does work very differently. But there is something very interesting that you have just mentioned. Keep in mind, I have to compose this with ideas of where I'm going to some degree, right? So I look for things that I'm going to we free for all. But I know what I want to talk about. So I leave a lot of timestamps when they don't matter out, because who cares? But for the sake of timestamping things, there is a weird pattern that I did notice and I looked into and couldn't find anything of significance. Where maybe about 500 years before Christ to about the 1800s with the very center point being the big chunky peak. It seems that stories of creatures we would describe from the Shadow Realm get more frequent and more frequent and more frequent. And then getting to somewhere im like the 1100s or so, it starts tapering off, slowing down, slowing down just less and less. But there's that hot spot in the middle, just for no reason. We've joked about these periods in the past saying that this was one of those moments where the Catholic Church was just pumping out a bunch of demons and s***. We've talked about stuff like that before, but we've not addressed the time specifically because that wasn't relevant to the episode. We were just talking about the Church and the Simpson or this creature specifically. But this pattern has persisted where around the 1100s is the most explosive amount of stories. But it kind of falls off.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And there's kind of like a tiny little spike 17 to 1800 right before it almost goes nowhere. And now we just got alien source. But interesting because did they figure a thing out? Was what's the point of the f****** of Oceomorphos to use. If you really are a hundred percent what you are, then your powers like Oros. Because Ophiomorphos purpose is to be like Oros, not like any other Naga. Yaldabaoths Naga, the one he artificially created.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And Osteomorphous is to create more, which means you are perfect like Oto's, which means you can do things that Mab would ask. Things beyond the capacity that a normal Naga would ask. You wouldn't be described as a Naga. You're described as a fairy.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Oros, which means Osteomorphous is identical. Which means asking Ophiomorphos to give my people the ability to produce, to reproduce, to give birth, to multiply. Allow us to multiply would in theory be within the capacity of Ospeomorphos, because Yaldabaoth would have successfully created a God more powerful than he. With Osteomorphous, if he is identical to Otos, who is a fairy. And then you get the people to multiply and we have this giant spike. Then we get Yalda going to visit L and Sizen being there too. And then Derek, because he already went back there to tamper with them when they were just whatever the h***. They start to get really intelligent, start to get really overpowered. Technology here are other realms. Know about it. Look for it. Find me when you have the tech buddy. Also, there's my son. Go, go join him.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Mingle.

Cristina: Yeah, mingle.

Jack: Hang out. Also we can reproduce now. I have a son. What? I have a f****** son. You meet my f****** son.

Cristina: What's that?

Jack: What's that about? Could he not have a son before? Is that that? Did he not. And then he did the thing and now he could have a son. And he has a son. Citizen has a f****** mom.

Cristina: No, I mean if they're using this tech, they don't need to.

Jack: It wouldn't be tech if they used. If they got altered by Oros.

Cristina: Thing is changing.

Jack: I guess it's not auto, but. Osteomorphous.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Is autos short for something? Because then if. If it is, then I could just shorten ospeomorphos as well and say otos and also OS4 or whatever crap.

Cristina: No, that doesn't sound good. There should be a way to turn it, but we haven't figured. What was his whole name again?

Jack: Osfeomorphous?

Cristina: Morpheus.

Jack: We could say Morpheus. Morpheus, but. Yeah. So that's some s***. This is exactly the point of this. When we see the information all stacked up together, certain things become clear that we wouldn't have thought about before. Is reproduction part of this objective for all of them? I don't know. Because it also seems like there is a huge counter. Like there's a fight of, you know, an attempt to stop this from happening coming from Alfame. Like, why it has to be for more than just the reproduction part.

Cristina: I know, but a lot of it has to do with the reproduction part.

Jack: It seems like at least Yalda and Lilith, who are two quite important individuals, both had reproduction on their minds.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Tells us.

Cristina: But what are the stones for if it's not for that too? I don't know. Because it's reproduction in its own other way. Like, you know, making us. Yeah, we're children.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: There's some experiment. We're also. They're giving birth to us.

Jack: In a way, what we're missing is essentially the quantum theory. You get my point? Like the thing that's connecting that. We got a lot of completed ideas, and we know they're all related, but we don't know what the f*** that centerpiece is that connects them is. But we know. We see it. We visualize how it goes together. But we don't see the centerpiece. And it's like, it's not there anywhere. Why does. Why hasn't any of this revealed to us the ultimate goal?

Cristina: Because they. They hit it very well.

Jack: Tell me about it very well is an under f****** statement at this point. They hit it well, that's the. No, it's invisible, dude. What?

Cristina: It's not completely invisible. We have glimpses here and there.

Jack: No, we don't. We don't. No, no. We have. Not even the slightest.

Cristina: We have shadows.

Jack: Yeah. At best.

Cristina: At best? Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Random mentions of s*** that makes no sense until we get the proper other mention. And then we're like, oh, Just looking.

Cristina: At a bunch of little, little things. Okay.

Jack: Scraps here and there. And when you looked at enough scraps, one of them that you saw a long a** time ago clicks with this one, you're like, oh, wow. I got one piece of information out of all this. It's tragic.

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know what it's all about at the end of the day.

Jack: Yeah. All right. Samael is the first individual to discover how to grow fruits from the Forest of Shadows in earthrealm. And he started with the fruit of knowledge, which is useful. Don't know how the h*** he did it, but he did it. And that's important. They figured he figured it out. He figured out how to grow because again, you put the fairy in the ground, the tree comes out. It's just a tree, but on the other side. But he figured out how to get the thing out without having to go.

Cristina: Put the fairy in the ground. I think that. I don't know, it's complicated.

Jack: Like, the death of the fairy grows the tree.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, I think it comes out of the fairy.

Jack: So you put the fairy in the ground.

Cristina: No, the fairy is not going in the ground. The fairy's just dying where it's at.

Jack: Oh, I get what you mean. Yeah, yeah. He'll just become the ground.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, fair enough.

Jack: You don't have to bury it. You kill the fairy. Boom. Tree happens there.

Cristina: Yes. Because the. The whole idea of it being in all the realms, like, no, it's not gonna be bird, because that doesn't make any sense.

Jack: It doesn't make any sense. Yes. But the idea that they do. Oh, that's interesting. Right, because the idea that they do exist, kind of like they could just pop in and out without needing portals. Very logical. When you just think of the fact that one dying literally connected to random points in space.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: That's weird.

Cristina: Okay, that does.

Jack: That's weird. I guess that was a fact. And we didn't know that was a fact. And the fact of the matter was there because we've debated how are they jumping? How. How are they getting from point A? We know they could just be there, but how? No. Did something about this. This part isn't tech. There's something about their makeup that's different enough.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But they're just there. And when they die, somehow because of that being everywhere. Well, everywhere kind of gets tied in. That spot. Weird. They die and where they die, everywhere just gets tied together.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: But it's weird. But there's some other Things so.

Jack: And Yalda learned this fact and uses it.

Cristina: And how he learned it, how he learned it, how to make a weapon to kill fairies. Had to be with a fairy helping. I don't know. So why would a fairy help him?

Jack: Lucifer leaves the garden after having a disagreement with Jehovah which was disagreement we discussed.

Cristina: Yes, let's share knowledge. But also the knowledge is killing them.

Jack: Yeah. They can't handle it. They're self destructing. But a couple of civilizations could handle it. And he wanted to find those. And Jehovah was like, no, we're done finding people.

Cristina: Because it's, it's just the. I guess it's not balance of like how many are actually surviving versus not surviving. Like say they did this. They didn't do it just to four people and then only two made it. It was probably hundreds of civilization the Earth. Exactly. And only two old equator. Exactly.

Jack: Surrounds the Earth.

Cristina: So how many civilizations.

Jack: One of the civilizations that made it isn't even around it.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: How many places weren't around the old equator that we don't know about that they tried and didn't work?

Cristina: Yeah, the amount, exactly the total amount to just know about these.

Jack: Yeah. No, it's too much.

Cristina: It's a big, big failure.

Jack: Just the ones we do know failed.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the two we know didn't.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's like. No, this is pretty bad.

Cristina: It's pretty bad.

Jack: Just how many don't we know about? And still we only know two made it. D***.

Cristina: That's pretty crazy. That's pretty bad.

Jack: And the problem is we have their corroborating information and they don't mention a third party other than the Elysians.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it is just all three of them. Yeah, that's it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's other groups who have made progress on their own, but not. They have collapsed under the weight of Alicia knowledge.

Cristina: No. Which. Who knows what that number is.

Jack: But they try. I mean, I guess. So the. The argument here is you side with Jehovah. You think it's a logic a lot. Yeah, I guess.

Cristina: Yeah. It's. It's just too much that if everyone.

Jack: Dies, you should give the people the choice. You tell them.

Cristina: I don't know how they could understand. Like they have to know it first to know it and then they. They end up killing themselves because of it. Like I don't know. It's complicated.

Jack: Yeah. No, you don't have to explain that. You explain to them that, look, this is really like here people, People we're about to Share this with. This is really advanced. Many civilizations have completely destroyed themselves after we have given them our technology and our knowledge. They have simply not been able to cope. Their governments have collapsed, their infrastructure, their economy, all of it has fallen apart due to these things. Many times over. We need you guys to come to a collective agreement.

Cristina: You don't know anything about humans. Because of course they're gonna be like, we're the ones that are gonna make it. It's like people getting married. Yeah, yeah, we're the ones.

Jack: We're the ones who are gonna do it. They're all gonna sign up.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: They're all gonna say, no, we can do it.

Cristina: Yes. Like, in what. What's world are we not like, yes, we're gonna. Like, who's gonna be like, what? That knowledge. Oh, I guess we shouldn't take that knowledge. No. Like, what? Who do you think? Which of. Like, who's gonna be like, no, nobody.

Jack: Nobody.

Cristina: Who do you think?

Jack: Nobody. Especially if they know other humans have been given the opportunity. No, now we have to do it. Pride.

Cristina: Yeah. Now we have to. Yes. They're gonna be like, oh, well, we can't let those people get it.

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: Then, yeah, he's not gonna give it to us.

Jack: He's gonna offer it to somebody else. And I'm not gonna let him do that.

Cristina: Yeah, no way.

Jack: I'm gonna be the fourth one. Our people, we're obviously the chosen, and then they collapse.

Cristina: Yep. It's no way to explain it.

Jack: No. Yeah, you're right. Okay, so Lucifer's wrong. It's this. Yeah, you're right. You're right, you're right. Lucifer's wrong. Yeah, His. The sentiment is right.

Cristina: Yes, sure. But.

Jack: But I guess we're talking science. Why are you getting emotional?

Cristina: I think that's. They have to probably wait until we're more. Like when they.

Jack: It's perfect. Until getting somebody new to understand is a perfect unfeeling formula.

Cristina: But they have to keep doing the whole thing, though, of making more, which it doesn't seem like they're doing either, of using philosopher's stones to create more better humans, etc. Like after Jesus. That was that. I mean, yes, they do test it out somewhat, but like, he was the peak and that was it, I guess.

Jack: But Arthur functioned, but Arthur died.

Cristina: Yeah, he's not what they were like originally.

Jack: It was a self contained incident too. It was just somebody handling their personal s***.

Cristina: It's not like. I don't think they're trying to make puppets. I mean, now they do. Only because they can. Like he's a puppet in a way.

Jack: Arthur was a puppet. So is Joseph.

Cristina: Yeah, but like, their. Their original plan wasn't to make puppets, I think.

Jack: I don't think it was either. It was just to make an overpowered elite who's gonna do what we want. And then the big problem happened, and then you gotta get rid of them. But now you created resentment.

Cristina: Yes, but I think the goal was to make more of us, but of that us.

Jack: Jesus. More Jesus.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Minus the problem.

Cristina: Yes, I guess.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like that seems the big goal is making more of something because then we'd cross.

Jack: But I don't. I guess because Jesus can't just enter, Jesus still, even after dying, still needs to obey the laws that govern reality. So he still ends up in shadow. But luckily knew this would play out this way. Goes through the gate and gets back. But without the gate, he'd be trapped over there. He's not a fairy. He doesn't just poof over here.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So then what would the point of making a bunch of Jesuses be if it wasn't for the fact that people were having visions of him? What you accomplish, guys? Like, what's the ta da?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: So what's Jesus minus the annoying part?

Cristina: What was any of us? What was the next thing? And then the next thing? And then the next thing was the goal, Right? Yeah. Well, okay, was that experiment over now?

Jack: I don't know. Because if. If that's the real question, then the question is, then why do we do it?

Cristina: Do what?

Jack: Why Is there an iPhone 15? Why do we now have electric cars when we had carriages? Why didn't we stop at carriages? Why do we go to the next thing?

Cristina: And how do we know when to stop?

Jack: How do we know when to stop? So we make androids that work perfectly. Real androids? Tesla androids look like people now. But wait. Inefficient. We gotta keep getting fuel. What if they could just eat. Okay, so how do we get it to fuel itself organically? Well, if we can replicate all of our physiological systems, then in theory we can have a completely indistinguishable structure. And it's like. That's for no reason.

Cristina: That's for.

Jack: I just landed us at how we would get to.

Cristina: Yeah, what they got to for no reason.

Jack: I took a stair and there was no goal. That's how easy it is to get there. If you're just following science. That's how easy we just stumbled it.

Cristina: The end of the day, it's just scientists Being scientists.

Jack: But then the question is, what the is Elfame scared of? That's where it gets sketchy. That's where it gets weird. If at some point everybody looks like they're hiding from something, you look at them long enough, they're scared of something.

Cristina: What is.

Jack: And the problem is, we also have the least amount of information of Elfim, in that order. Elfame. The least shadow. Very shaky little.

Cristina: We know fairies can die. Could the world be destroyed? It doesn't feel like anyone can go in there. I don't know how.

Jack: It doesn't feel like anybody could get there except Joseph.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess. I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: There's something huge missing. The problem is how little information we get from Elfin.

Cristina: Yeah, that's really what it comes down to.

Jack: D***. I guess the first episode of next year is gonna have to be the continuation of this.

Cristina: What?

Jack: There is some more recap to go. We're fair enough. Open the year on the ring.

Cristina: That works. Okay. Okay, that's pretty good.

Jack: Some more to go. But I like these summaries because they make us think about things, they inform us, discover things, and seeing it all together changes perspective. And it's going to tell us what to look at next collectively.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: Anyways, if you guys want to tell us what you think of any of this or any of the episodes from this year or how weird this show has gotten.

Cristina: Can you see some kind of connection that we cannot see?

Jack: Send us a message to tell us about it. Just convopod everywhere. All the platforms X and TikTok and Instagram and Facebook.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth is the most overpowered thing that has ever existed in the history of humanity. So use it. Tell people about the show.

Cristina: This has been the rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. You're like, wait, how the h*** did somebody across the ocean mention exactly the same thing using the same exact words? What the f***? Wait, how is the story of Jesus obviously corrupted in the Bible? But if you were to just connect the individual pieces of narrative from all the places he was allegedly at, they don't match what's in the Bible. This is something entirely different. Because the Bible's trying to brainwash everybody. They don't expect anybody to go to the f****** Source and be like, hey, what do you personally have on this?

Cristina: What's the source?

Jack: The Source is the countries. Bethlehem and Nazareth and Cyprus and the people who were in these locations and the prophecies left behind, which are left in hieroglyphs and in old writings. All the things we found that are telling us about this. It's a bit absurd how much of.

Cristina: This is infinite and oddly connected. Yeah. Good morning. Good morning. This podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister, with social media managed by Amber Black.

November 25, 2023

Rambling 251: King Arthur and Excalibur

November 25, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Is Excalibur a magical weapon similar to Kaundinya’s Magic Bow? What was so special about King Arthur? And who exactly is Merlin? The duo deep dive into the texts associated with the legendary King Arthur as they try to find other weapons capable of taking the life of a fairy

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Magical Weapons
King Arthur
Excalibur
The Lady of the Lake
Morgan Le Fay
Merlin
Future Sight
Time Control

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Ramblin Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and their most baffling ideas.

Cristina: Sounds epic, I guess.

Jack: Sounds epic enough. You think like. Like it could be used as a movie trailer. The world's most absurd and baffling ideas. No, it's. There's a specific, like, rhythm or, like cadence or flow to how these movie people speak. Right. Like just being epic isn't good enough. There's a rhythm to something else. To the world's most epic and baffling ideas. You see, there's like a thing that. That's happening. Like a cliche sound. You gotta approach.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling. Ide.

Cristina: Now say as a boy talking about.

Jack: Ghost stories on YouTube, a boy talking about. I gotta remember their flow.

Cristina: They have a specific flow, too. They all sound the same.

Jack: Yeah, it's like.

Cristina: It's like a question type of thing.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if you know, you know. So it would be. Welcome to Rambling Pod. Welcome. Welcome to the Rambling Pod. No, man. How would it work? Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. Oh, I got it. Welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas.

Cristina: Close.

Jack: There's something almost there. Almost.

Cristina: It has to sound more like a question. More. Just a little more.

Jack: No, it's. It's not even just a question, right? Because it could be. Welcome to the Rambling Podcast.

Cristina: No, that's a question.

Jack: It's a. It's. Again, it comes down to flow. It's like saying, welcome to the Rambling Pod. No, man, I lost it. I lost it.

Cristina: When you had it at first, when you said something random, you had it the first thing.

Jack: I don't know if you look. No, no, no, no.

Cristina: It's that. It's that.

Jack: It's not even a question. It doesn't matter if it's a question.

Cristina: It just sounds weird, goes downwards at.

Jack: The end, counter to how we usually sound, which is an interesting thing for speech. I don't know how, like, language has evolved into such a way that we can just use cadence. I mean, Eddie Izzard has that joke where he's saying gibberish that sounds French but in the rhythm of a joke. The way it's structured and the way the punchline would Sound. And then the joke gets conveyed. Not a real joke, but you know when to laugh. And it's funny. It's actually funny. How it's structured and how baffled you.

Cristina: Are, even if you don't know what he's saying.

Jack: Yeah, he's not saying anything. It's gibberish. You couldn't write this joke down if you wanted to. This joke could literally only exist in performance form because there's no real words to it. It's entirely based on cadence. How weird of a joke is that? But that's where language is. He exploited a weird feature of language where you can know. I'm asking you a question in any language.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like that rhythm of that rhythm of. Is that a question or is it that rhythm?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Where are you going? What are you doing?

Cristina: Yeah. I go.

Jack: Yeah. If you hear. We're programmed enough to hear that weird. And that's that movie flow. And that freaking YouTube thing. I never even got it. Welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. No, it's off. Anyways, anyways, today we actually do still have to ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas.

Cristina: So you got some more absurd and baffling ideas for us?

Jack: Yeah, I do. So, quick recap, because it's been a while, we actually took a little break. We went on our little hiatus. Was it two days break? Two weeks break in seven years.

Cristina: That's crazy. That's pretty crazy. Yep.

Jack: Commitment.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So in that time, though, I was still doing my due, due diligence, and something weird kind of happened. It was a lot of time to dig into a single idea. And so let's recap real quick some of the important details that are related to this episode.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Primarily, we discovered recently that Elysians mixing up with humans, creating a hybrid, are called the Nephilim. We've heard of the Nephilim in the past.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But now. Now we got the Nephilim in our own text, and that is something astounding.

Cristina: Yeah, I don't think we've ever actually talked about them. Like, we never had an episode on Nephilim.

Jack: I don't even believe we've ever brought them up, which is fascinating. No, if they have, it's been so.

Cristina: Long, I think a guest brought them up.

Jack: A guest brought them up?

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah, because they were talking about weird stuff in the Bible or something. Oh, but that's, like, mad as small.

Jack: Yeah, you'd think. And until now, I didn't even. It didn't even cross my mind. But why through all these texts, religion like this is hidden. Hidden Way back there, bro. We came across the sea people mentioned in literal scripture before we came across. Like we learned how to track that before we even heard mention of this. But then the argument would be. Well, no, because the Norse were just human, right? Or do they stop being human? I still don't know. Okay, so we know that the. No, I think they just evolved. Right? That's the argument here. They weren't genetically modified, the Alicians.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Like they. They're not human, but they're Earthling. Like they just developed. But where the Greek.

Cristina: Like the Greek gods and their Norse gods are they.

Jack: Were they just human? Because all that came later. I think that's the point here, that all of them came from human. That's human plus technology. As opposed to the Elysians that are non human earthlings that evolved from a different bloodline. That they're human and way longer ago. I think that's where it kind of falls in, right?

Cristina: Yes, yes, I believe that's how it is.

Jack: Yeah. Anyways, so we have the Nephilim and the Elysian, which is an Elysian human hybrid. Now we've also heard for comparison of a Naga human hybrid, which was when a Naga took a human form. So convincing that they could give birth to a Naga human hybrid. Weird, weird. And we have never seen a shadow human hybrid.

Cristina: Very strange. But I guess not.

Jack: I mean, it would be impossible, I think, because in order to even have something close to a human physical body or to an earthly physical body, Lucifer needed a host and a whole science project.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To get himself that body.

Cristina: I wonder if an Elysian and a Shadow person. Because shadow people did make the first life on Earth. So maybe the most ancient of life on Earth could maybe. I mean, we don't have any stories.

Jack: I think not. I think not. I think the spaces are literally different.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And I think when we have a Naga, a Naga is taking. It's forcing its body to become human. Otherwise it's not really physical. It might seem like a serpent and still be ethereal maybe or some other thing. Because the ethereals are essentially the shadow people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The shadow things.

Cristina: The shadow things, yeah.

Jack: Unless the Naga are physical in that way. Like if I were to just touch a Naga, it's just. It just feels like a snake. I'm not going through it. It's not some other kind of. But then that would argue that Elfame and Earth are more closely related.

Cristina: Physical. I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: I've never thought about this before. Are Elfhame and Earth more closely related? And that's why people of Shadow can't mate with Earthlings. But a Naga can just take a human form in their biology. It's just close enough that they could do it.

Cristina: Weird. I don't know.

Jack: I never thought about this. And this is right in front of us.

Cristina: There's something there. I guess because of the Shadow person who did make the us.

Jack: Yes. And the fact that this. It seems to be that although this came after Shadow, there's something important about Earth.

Cristina: Yes. Why did they make Earth when they had the Shadow realm? What were they doing with fairy trees?

Jack: And what's special about Earth that we can use things that Shadow can. Yeah. Think about how crazy that is.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: And this comes up. This is the second time this come up. Right. Or the third. Where is some feature about us that's different than Shadow that somehow makes us closer to the thing that we're furthest from?

Cristina: Yeah, I don't know. Because we are an experiment. So I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. It looks more and more that way now. Minus the Naga, like I said, we have not seen shadow human hybrids. But also minus the Naga, we have not seen fairy human hybrids. I'm still debating whether the Naga are technically.

Cristina: Aren't they technically.

Jack: Are they fairies? Because they were made by. They're not natural. From there. They were made also as an experiment. Like Oros was made.

Cristina: Weird. Okay, so you're saying that both the experiment things can mate with each other. That is so weird. Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: But the Naga is just an Elfame experiment.

Cristina: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, we're just an experiment too.

Jack: Yeah, we're just an experiment too.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Now when we were looking at all of these things, we decided to go through them independently. That's how we discovered more about the Elysians. We discovered more about the Shadow teams. We know about the Earth teams. We know. All the different God teams we know. We talked about some fairies we knew. And one thing we focused on for two episodes actually were the Naga. Because there are a lot of interesting Naga. There's a lot of Naga that have existed. There's a lot of civilizations that were expected to be more developed that haven't. Also. What happened to those people's Naga after the civilizations collapsed? What they mean in all these abandoned ancient societies that have disappeared, but that we don't talk about Much because they never became something major. But that did have a Naga. Because at the time they were at the top of their game. Where are their Naga? If those are creatures from Alphane, they would outlive the out of us.

Cristina: They wouldn't go back to Alphane.

Jack: You think they would go back? Maybe.

Cristina: Maybe because there's such an organization there of like, hey, you go there, you go.

Jack: There could be. Maybe you get reassigned. Interesting. Like military style. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess that could work.

Cristina: That could work. Unless they. Well, some of them might do that. And some of them, because they seem like their own people too. Yeah.

Jack: Like they have independent thought.

Cristina: Yeah. They don't have to go back. If they felt like just hanging out, they would do that.

Jack: Yeah, some of them have. And we have read about that before.

Cristina: Some of them try to be leaders of random people.

Jack: Like, okay, why on Earth, right? Earth is the thing. Earth is a hot spot.

Cristina: I don't know, because I would say. I was gonna say they're not being watched on Earth, but they are because there's also fairies here watching everyone. So.

Jack: But maybe that's why they leave these civilizations. Unless out here it is the Wild west and like it's harder to force somebody once they're out here. Maybe an Elfame. Let's say Elfame is literally made of magic. And let's say one of these gods is the biggest, baddest God, but he's also a being too. Not just I am God, but like not thinking. I'm just all of space and everything. Okay, that's weird. That's just the universe, bro. But like an actual being. But that made everything. Right. And if you're in Elfame, maybe he controls literal the space time fabric you exist in. So he knows where you are at all times and you can't do it. So like you can't disobey over there.

Cristina: Okay, he could.

Jack: He knows everything you're doing. But out here, maybe the Reach isn't there. Maybe there's some reason they can't affect the space.

Cristina: But why talk about their queen?

Jack: They're. We're gonna talk about that today.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yes. Mab.

Cristina: Mab.

Jack: So in looking at the Naga we discovered it was a weapon.

Cristina: A weapon that couldn't kill them.

Jack: Yes. And it was gonna go kill the princess daughter of one of the three Naga king. Which brought up an interesting question. There are Earth weapons capable of killing Naga?

Cristina: There's no way. I mean, it's in Earth. But a Naga helped build the Earth weapon.

Jack: Yeah. No, no, no. I'm in any case, I'm saying they're weapons on Earth, not necessarily Earth. Weapon.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: There are weapons on Earth?

Cristina: I think so, yes.

Jack: Are there more? And what are they? So my intention was, as we've been doing lately, going through a very focused topic, I was gonna look at a bunch of different weapons that maybe have been remained. Like, how. How many are there? Could we get our hands on some of these? Right.

Cristina: Actually found something.

Jack: Well, I immediately stumbled upon the story of King Arthur. And as I was going through the story of King Arthur, which I thought was just a story, I started stumbling upon references towards scripture related to King Arthur. And that was weird because I thought that this was like fiction literature intentionally, but it turns out that it's classified under mythology as opposed to fiction literature. Yeah, they think this happened.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They think the written stories are a paraphrase, but they think it happened. At least a lot of people believe King Arthur was real and the sword was real. And I was like, what?

Cristina: Where? What is the special thing about the sword? I know it's stuck in the stone, but is there a reason that the wizard do that?

Jack: Did the chosen one.

Cristina: The chosen one did that?

Jack: Yeah. The prophecy goes that the chosen one, the true leader, the real king, the true king, is the only person who can please.

Cristina: No, I get that, but who put the stone. Who put the sword in the stone?

Jack: I have no idea where that sword came from. Yeah, because it's fake.

Cristina: It's fake.

Jack: So let me tell you the story. There's a stone.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And there's an anvil on the stone and there's a sword in the anvil one. Had you get the sword into the anvil.

Cristina: Yes, but what's happening there?

Jack: Yeah, exactly. So only the true king can get it. And so this guy Arthur then goes and he just f****** yanks his sword out. And because of the prophecy, he is. So Arthur takes the sword and he takes it into combat and the sword f****** breaks.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, it broke the anvil. But it couldn't be f******. It couldn't break bone or whatever the h*** he was fighting. Anyways, it breaks. So he looks into it and through his research find finds out that this isn't the real one.

Cristina: What? There was a fake.

Jack: There's a fake. He needs to trade the fake one for the real one. And so he needed to take a journey to this place. Somewhere in the forest beyond the marsh, in a fountain created from the natural marsh water and the spring water surrounding it. And it goes into it gets darker and darker as you're Going into the forest, and you go through this marshy area, and then boom, there's just an open sort of grove that is a fountain. And it's lake sized. It just goes on forever. You can see the lining of the tree all the way in the back. But it's just this giant lake. And so it's very shallow, and there's a tiny island in the middle, and it goes to the middle. And once it gets to the island, the lake rumbles and out comes a lady.

Cristina: The fairy lady.

Jack: Fairy lady? Yes, Literally, a fairy lady. And he after. Because he already knew he had to bring this to her, so he. He hands this to her, and she gives him the real. They're both called Excalibur, where one is a fake and one is a real one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So he gets the real Excalibur, and this sword makes him invincible. It makes him immortal. Literally. It creates some sort of shield around.

Cristina: Him from death itself.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He becomes immortal. As long as he has it, he cannot die.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: As long as he has it, he is the greatest in combat. He can predict anyone's moves. He has great strength. He can pierce anything with the sword. It's true invincibility given to him by this fairy.

Cristina: Why do the fairy care? Why do they have.

Jack: That is exactly what the. I wanted to know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Why, bro?

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Okay. Did you put the thing in the rock, too? Fairy.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Why? Okay, great. You got a system. Somebody pulls a. I don't know why you couldn't just put the real one. Let them wander with that.

Cristina: Yeah, but.

Jack: Okay, you put the fake one, and they. They bring you the fake one, and you give them the real one. And now. Okay.

Cristina: Or what is the fake one is the real one. But, like, for the fairy, it's the real one, and they couldn't exactly. Like, it was a train. What is that the real one? Well, for them, the real one.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That has to be the fairy killer, right?

Jack: The one that was in the rock.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He used it on something that wasn't a fairy.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And that wasn't its purpose. So it broke.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then he brought it.

Cristina: And the prayer is like, yes, this is.

Jack: Give me that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I was wondering about this the entire time. Right. And this is gonna get more convoluted as we go.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: So let's. Let's hold that thought.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because that's fire as h***. I didn't think about this. This guy really tried to pull. He got this sword. He pulled the right sword. But then how did the narrative get out there, she must have spit out the narrative so that the. The. You know the lore of you get the sword, take it to the lady.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then the lady's gonna give you the real sword. And she just gave you a f****** sword. And. F*** it, bro. Thank you. Here's a real reward.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: A sword is gonna make you God to them and s***. You need anything else, come back. But you gave me the sword that can kill me.

Cristina: You can't spread that.

Jack: But, like, interesting.

Cristina: If you get everyone to pull that sword thinking it's the one that's gonna. I mean, it is doing amazing things. You're just not gonna tell them what it is. It's just gotta be believable enough. Yeah, I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, no, yeah, they know about the sword. They pull the fake sword, and then when they dig deeper, they find out there's two. And they got the fake one and. No, it's the real one, but the fairies themselves made a different one. And it's like, no, there's a real sword and we're gonna. We'll really, literally. It's a literal reward for anybody who can. Yeah, whoever the f*** can bring us that s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Well, maybe that's absolutely the case. Let's go down and I'll explain why as we get there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I originally thought, like I said, the story was just literature, but when looking into it, it became more and more weird because there are many books of reference. Many books. It's the Bible, before the Bible got put together. It's many people's different accounts of the.

Cristina: Same series of events of author or.

Jack: Elder and all the people surrounding him. It's crazy that different people wrote about the same around the same time. I thought this was just fiction literature.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But people from different areas are like, no.

Cristina: Are their stories different or something?

Jack: They're almost identical. It's like the Bible. It's like somebody else using different words to say the same.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's really, really interesting. Now, the point of King Arthur comes down to the story of the sword Excalibur. Like I said, the lady in the lake provides a sword in exchange. The real Excalibur quote the real Excalibur in exchange for, quote, the fake Excalibur. But only the true king can take out the sword. Where'd that legend come from? Does she spit that legend? The true king can take it, I guess so that everybody comes and tries to f****** pull it.

Cristina: But it makes no sense to have that to be like, why would the swap makes no sense. If that's the real sword, like, how do you convince someone? You.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. It's weird, right? Well, no, I guess it's part of the quest. Oh. The sword comes with a quest.

Cristina: But I guess it's because they can't pull it out. They really can't. Like, if a fairy tried to pull out that sword, it was gonna be impossible.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I'm saying. They needed a human to pull that sword out and bring it to them.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And they're gonna really reward that human.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And I think, understanding this, they somehow put out the story of somebody's gonna. If you pull it out, you're gonna be real king. You'll be the real king. And then everybody tries to pull it out. Get the most people trying to pull it out until somebody does.

Cristina: Yes. And then give them the actual sword. That's gonna help them be the king.

Jack: Yes. Give them a sword that'll make that wish f****** come true.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And you get your death weapon.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And like I said, the wielder of the sword becomes invincible to weirdos. The sword, because he has it, regenerates his health. The sword is unbreakable. Not the one he pulled from the rock, but the one you get from the fairy. That's unbreakable. It could pierce anything and can kill all things. Allegedly.

Cristina: Allegedly.

Jack: Because I don't think that one can kill a fairy.

Cristina: No, probably not. No all human or earth thing.

Jack: So now, like I said, the point of King Arthur is a story is about either him being the chosen one or the sword. Excalibur is the point of the story, but actually the sword has nothing to do with anything other than the fact that he got a f****** sword that actually allows him to accomplish the thing. Had nothing to do with the f****** sword. I thought Excalibur was the point. No, Excalibur is just how, you know, he's the chosen one. The end.

Cristina: But it has its powers.

Jack: Yeah, it helps him do the thing, but it's Excalibur itself. Doesn't matter. King Arthur is the chosen one.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You know, it's not. The sword is the great. That. No, whatever gives him some ability, but it only enhances his already greatness or whatever the f***.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah. He had to be great in the first place to get the sword.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. So it's just more of his specialness as opposed to the sword being special itself. Other than it's just. Oh, no, he's special. So he has a special sword.

Cristina: Okay. Whatever.

Jack: Now, looking into that. Okay, whatever. The sword is less meaningful. So then, what was the fairy's ultimate goal before we came to the conclusions we just came to? And in doing so, I just looked into the lady of the Lake.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Surprisingly hard to find. Again, fairies, hate fairies. Surprisingly hard to find. Anything on these f******?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The lady of the Lake doesn't have an identity. That's why she's referred to as lady in the Lake. This is the most secretive fairy thus far that we know exists.

Cristina: But we know about other lake or fairies that live in water. They usually kill people, though.

Jack: Yeah, we know many of them.

Cristina: Yes. They usually.

Jack: Murder. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's f*****. But this one works a lot like a crossroads demon. She just kind of hangs out there. She's well known for making deals with people.

Cristina: So she's made more than one deal with.

Jack: She's made more than one deal.

Cristina: Oh, Camino. What's she doing making deals with people?

Jack: I don't. She never made another deal with Arthur, if that's what you're asking.

Cristina: No. What's her other deals?

Jack: Just, you know, giving people fortune and stuff.

Cristina: For what?

Jack: Vague. I'm telling you, it's really hard to find anything.

Cristina: Are they giving her special items? They say like they traded this special spoon for whatever.

Jack: Oh, interesting. Your question is, is she collecting all the things?

Cristina: Yeah. Like these are. She's probably hunting for specific fairy items that she can't grab herself.

Jack: Is she bound to the f****** lake?

Cristina: And is she bound to the lake? Yeah.

Jack: Why is she bound to the lake? This actually brings up an interesting question, because fairies. There are the fairies in lakes that we are familiar with and we never question, can they leave the f****** link? Because they always bring people to them. Why don't they go out and look for people? And they can look very human.

Cristina: Yeah, I think they can go out of the lake, but you gotta stay around the lake. Yeah, they're like Alec. They're not Alec. Yeah, yeah. Like, it's their environment that they live in, which is weird that they'd have limits.

Jack: Well, the difference here is when we're talking about incubus and succubus and mermaids. Actually, mermaid's probably a fairy. But incubus and succubus, we're definitely talking about shadow creatures.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That are bound to that environment.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why is a fairy bound to that environment?

Cristina: I don't know. Maybe fairies are bound to specific environment.

Jack: It could 100% be because we know.

Cristina: They'Re watching specific people and stuff like that. That they have these jobs of just watching, but maybe that's really like you're stuck there. We don't really know about the fairies that are watching, but maybe they can't leave what they're watching.

Jack: Yeah. And not only that. Oh, s***, I get what you mean. Like elves, maybe they have to be there at all times. They can't even like take a break and go. Yeah, that 100% could be the case. On top of the fact that maybe there are so many different kinds of fairies that they like, really, they are just bound to certain environments. Like, even if this is a fairy, it's a fairy that again. How similar is Earth and Alphane?

Cristina: No idea.

Jack: And is there water in Elfame that works the same as water on Earth? And this is the little. The only place that has that exact thing allowed. Like, this fairy would normally not be able to come down to Earth unless.

Cristina: There'S a bunch of water.

Jack: Unless there's this exact condition.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Of water.

Cristina: When we think about fairy homes, though, it's very. It's nature. You just live in nature. So you don't hear about city fairies. Except for those, I guess, that are stealing shoes or fixing shoes, whatever, you know. But those are warrant in cities either. Those are.

Jack: Those are in rural a** towns.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. So they like nature. Nature, yeah.

Jack: Very related. Actually, humans are the only ones not humans. Earthlings, I suppose, are really the only ones who tend to go against nature quite heavily. Because shadow also goes with its nature in many aspects, and so does Elfame. Everything is based on nature. They prefer being in nature.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We're the only ones who defy nature.

Cristina: Which I guess keeps us safe from these other things if they mean us harm. But I don't know. That's an interesting idea.

Jack: It seems like the more civilization that happens, the further away from that we get. But the closer to these rural areas we get, the more that these things are prominent and people get confused. They call it hauntings, they call it this, they call it that. Oh, I saw a ghost. So I saw a demon. No, you're closer to nature. And nature is where this other s*** is.

Cristina: Yes. And it could be scary and they can eat you, but like, that's like nature, nature. There's some deadly things, there's some not so deadly things.

Jack: A hundred percent. A hundred percent. This reminds me that witches are considered a terrible thing, but they often connect to nature.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. And some of them like to live in the middle of nowhere.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So like that or like those are the stories.

Jack: I would argue that makes Absolute sense. Because you train and learn how to understand these environments and things that wander these environments, you're actually more familiar with things of shadow and things of Elfame. By being in nature where you interact with it enough to get adjusted and used to it, it makes sense. You want to know a witch, even if you don't want to hang out with a witch. Because you can always go for resource and information.

Cristina: Yeah, there's something there.

Jack: Yes. So we spun way out. There's a weapon. Excalibur.

Cristina: Yes. And a fairy.

Jack: A fairy. This fairy is stuck in this fountain.

Cristina: And she's known to trade things.

Jack: She's known to trade things. But the only time that it was significant, what she traded was with the secret story of what to do with the Excalibur.

Cristina: Yes. Trading a sword for a sword, which.

Jack: Was trading the fake. The quote fake unquote for the quote real unquote. Which sounds like bullshit, but maybe it's just two different swords called Excalibur, and they both mean something different. And the one that she received is the true. Excalibur was the true. Well, no, it was the fairy killer. Excalibur. Enter Morgan Le Fay.

Cristina: Is that a fairy? I don't know.

Jack: It's actually confusing.

Cristina: What?

Jack: So Morgan le Fay is referred to in different texts as a fairy in one and the sorceress in the other. She could have been an earthling who mastered working with magic, or she could have been, I guess, three options. She could have been a shadow f****** person for all we know. And she could have been a fairy living with humans. When Arthur was on his quest to trade the sword, he almost died. And when he almost died, look and f****** behold. Morgan le Fay shows up and saves Arthur, nursing him back to health with her magic and assisting him to get that sword where it's going. Why?

Cristina: I don't know. But if she's a fairy, wouldn't she want the sword?

Jack: He has it. She should just leave with it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So why help him deliver the sword?

Cristina: Unless they're, again, not a fairy.

Jack: Fairy rank. Oh, fair enough.

Cristina: He's like, if you're a fairy, you'd.

Jack: Be like, then why is she delivering the sword?

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Why is she helping him either way?

Cristina: I don't know what about.

Jack: Or has she just heard, oh, he pulled the sword. This is the guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, let me help him. He's the guy.

Cristina: Let him take. Let me take him to my friend. Yeah, that sword.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. Oh, s***. Yeah. My fairy friend needs the sword. He's chosen one and he's I already know the narrative too. He's gonna go get. So they could both be being duped here by the fairy. So you think Sorceress? Because she would have just taken the sword.

Cristina: Yeah, but if she knows, what's the plan, maybe she's in on it too.

Jack: Or she's not in on it, but she's assisting with the plan. Knowing the plan. Like, the idea is he should be delivering. Like, maybe she's one of the people who knew the story.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I was like, oh, no. He's supposed to deliver the sword to the fairy over there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And I'm good with fairies, cuz. Magic.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So I can assist him in getting over there. He needs to. It's his destiny. He's King Arthur. He pulled it out. He's supposed to deliver or whatever, you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there's something about Arthur that's special. What the f*** is it? Why was he capable of taking the sword?

Cristina: Why does he know so much magical things?

Jack: Why are so many magical things.

Cristina: One of them, some guy. I forgot his name. There's a wizard dude that he hangs out with.

Jack: Yeah, well, I don't think he hangs out with.

Cristina: Whatever. But he's part of the story. Marlon.

Jack: Marlon.

Cristina: Yeah, something like that. I don't know.

Jack: So I look into Arthur and there's surprisingly little on Arthur as well.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah. There's more about what he's done than who he is.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So most of his personality is pretty flat. There's nothing to know about him. His lineage doesn't matter as much who's around him. Yeah, he's just some dude, but. Or he seems to just be some dude. As far as we know. As far as a lot of the people reading or writing the stories. No. So obvious things about him are that fairies are fascinated with him.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Arthur's main purpose before he gets told the greater things is to find the Holy Grail. He's already on the search for immortality. Also, the Holy Grail must be containing some of the fruits or some.

Cristina: Who took him on that? What?

Jack: The Holy Grail.

Cristina: Does he find it?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Wasn't even the point.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because I wasn't looking. I was looking for the weapon. That's what matters.

Cristina: How do you know this isn't a weapon?

Jack: The Holy Grail?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The Holy Grail is also what Jesus drank from.

Cristina: Oh. What did that do to him?

Jack: To Jesus?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I'm sure it was just a consistent flow of blood he was drinking.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They were always drinking blood and wine And I think that he thinks the Holy Grail is really the object, when really it was what was in the Holy Grail? Oh, which was his blood. I'm sure if he found that it.

Cristina: Was like, okay, it's here.

Jack: But it's just that.

Cristina: So he's a treasure hunter.

Jack: He's a treasure hunter.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or we can call him an archaeologist.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know.

Cristina: Supernatural items.

Jack: For supernatural items. Interesting, right? Weird guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So he was already kind of in that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Area. He's the jock of the supernatural world. But once he pulled the sword out, he learned in studying about. Whoa, I got it out. I'm looking now. And all this important stuff. There was a prophecy claiming he. He specifically would show up. This dude was already named Arthur. And Arthur would pull this sword out. And Arthur did show up one day and Arthur did pull the sword out.

Cristina: It named Author.

Jack: Yeah, the prophecy author.

Cristina: I should pull this sword out.

Jack: He had no idea beforehand.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: He found that afterwards, everybody knew about pulling the sword. Nobody gave a. About looking into it until the sword was pulled.

Cristina: And then they all saw.

Jack: Oh no, it really was him. It was always him.

Cristina: Weird. Okay.

Jack: That's kind of all the important. Everything else is just like events and action. I was like, okay, to get to the book, to get to the bullet points. Everything else is the fluff. It's like, wow, you suck. There's nothing else here. You just. Fairies love you. You are trying to get the Holy Grail and you were prophesized to. So then what the f***? Who. Who the h*** are you, bro? Why do you matter? Yeah, you're just some random treasure hunter guy. Could have been some other random treasure. Why you.

Cristina: By him.

Jack: Okay, who prophesied?

Cristina: Who?

Jack: Who prophesies? Who wrote the prophecy? Who said you.

Cristina: You found it.

Jack: Ah, that's where we enter with Merlin.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But Merlin is known as a quite powerful sorcerer, known for his flawless record with prophecies.

Cristina: Okay, that makes sense, I guess.

Jack: Merlin is considered a bit of a menace. Why does whatever the f*** he wants is quite overpowered.

Cristina: So is he a prophet? Is he writing the future? Like, is he. Is he a menace? Because he's like, okay, I want this to happen and then it happens. And that's what makes him a menace.

Jack: At first I didn't have that thought, but ultimately, yes, at first my thought was he's. He knows the future, so he can affect the future.

Cristina: Oh, that's. Yeah, I guess that was obvious.

Jack: Yeah, that was my immediate conclusion. Like, okay, he's memorized. Not memorized but because he can see.

Cristina: The future, he can work anything to his favor.

Jack: He could work anything to his favor. This makes him a problem. For even fairness, you can move outside of their understanding of time. Yeah, that s***'s fire, right? Because even if they are way more powerful, you're untouchable. You know what's coming at all times, always, forever.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Oh, That's a f****** problem even the fairies can't solve.

Cristina: Yeah. Whoa. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. But let's talk about the fact that. No. He's so colossally overpowered that he can rewrite the events without having to interact with them. He can change what's gonna happen in the future.

Cristina: How do you know that?

Jack: Because he planned Arthur's entire everything.

Cristina: Oh. So what I said made sense. Okay. That's why. Okay.

Jack: Arthur is Merlin's attempt at his own version of Jesus.

Cristina: That is so weird.

Jack: It's just a guy with the destiny of learning he was the chosen one, then discovering his true power upon acquiring that weapon and then being the real one, true king. It's as to Arthur is a story of Jesus, and Merlin wanted his own Jesus.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: That is the real question. Right. Random other fact that I guess kind of makes things even a little more complicated. This guy can arrange the future however he wants and knows a future. So even if he couldn't arrange a future, he could interact with the future and change it regardless. He could also shapeshift, so he's kind of hard to track.

Cristina: He can shapeshift.

Jack: He can shape shift and See you coming.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: You see how quickly this guy. This dude. He's a human.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's just some guy.

Cristina: I don't know if he has some adrenal crown or anything. Like, he's just some guy.

Jack: Okay, well. Well, after literally saying out loud, what the. He's just some guy. I said that while looking this up. Just like, dude, he really is just. What the. I'm like, what the f*** is up with this human dude? Why is he so overpowered? And then I started looking for the fact that he and the word Elysium are so mentioned together.

Cristina: Stop lying.

Jack: Because we would look for C person. We would never find him under C person. But Elysium is used quite often. And we can use Elysium after finding out that the sea people are the Elysians and cross reference that with a lot of s***.

Cristina: And he's one.

Jack: He is known as a person to come from the far west in Elysium.

Cristina: Of course.

Jack: Of course. Merlin is an overpowered Elysian who's just one of the ones, yes. He's a recent print day, that's what, 1700.

Cristina: This is the most recent version of releasing him just hanging out. Wow, that's what, the 1500s or something?

Jack: Some like that. Right? That's not too far?

Cristina: Ridiculously far.

Jack: And it's not. I mean it's not now, no, but we know Van actively doing.

Cristina: I don't understand. Why did he not want that sword himself? So if it is a fairy killer, why did he help him take that fairy killing sword? To get the other sword.

Jack: I think Arthur's not human.

Jack: I think Arthur is literally a run at the experiment that was Jesus. And that sword only really works because.

Cristina: He'S some type of golem.

Jack: Arthur? Some kind of. Yeah, Arthur's some kind of golem. He's either some kind of God, whatever. Jesus and Joseph are.

Cristina: Yeah. These humans really.

Jack: And he could do things that Merlin can't. Yeah, but part of the thing that went wrong with Jesus was what? Well, you. Well first off, right off the bat it became dangerous and problematic.

Cristina: Yes. People expecting everyone.

Jack: Yeah, it was affecting everybody. So you worked out those kinks. But now this guy's gonna be stronger than you. So how do you control that situation? The prophecies and the narrative. Okay, so he wrote the prophecy about the thing the fairies manipulated. It's a very God devil situation. Right. The. The Elysian writes the story. He creates a prophecy that makes it to the public's ears and then eventually makes it to the one guy who isn't human, but is indistinguishable from human. The Nephilim. I guess not. He would have to be born of a woman that's human. Or maybe he is. Maybe. Maybe he is a Nephilim.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh s***. Is the point a Nephilim? Would that have just been made the most sense instead of all this other s*** that's going on? Because a lot of them are just running experiments. Why wouldn't just banging a chick work? Yeah, unless it doesn't.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: I don't know why. Why is it banned and then they're still trying to accomplish the same thing a different way. You're trying to make a human? No, because the point isn't to make it human. He wouldn't be a Nephilim. He has to be a fairy. That's what really what it is. He has to be half fairy or something. Anyways, so the story goes out about the guy who could do the thing. He goes and tries to pull the thing. That sword is in fact the real one. That can kill fairies. But the story isn't altered to say or not even altered the story. The meaning of words gets shifted enough.

Cristina: Thanks to the fairies to convince him to go to the fairies.

Jack: No, to convince him to erase the word fairy from the narrative. And so he uses that sword on normal combat. Maybe the story itself said this sword only works on fairies or something, but it got modified enough that it worked that part out, and then you use it on something else and then it broke. But then the second story they feed is the one you were talking about. Bring us the broken sword and we have the real sword you can use for combat. They can give you a sword. It can kill anything in the mortal world. In the mortal earth realm. They're super op next to it. This is the lie of the lady of the Lake versus the truth of.

Cristina: Merlin, who wanted to make a fairy killer.

Jack: Who wanted to make a fairy killer and have his Jesus there. We have a literal example in scripture of a guy making a weapon to kill fairies. We've been looking for the answer to this question forever. What is the point? Well, now we know to kill the fairies. Now the follow up question is, I, like, now I know why the fairies are scared. Especially with the Elysians existing. See, now my point is, why do the Elysians and also apparently a bunch of shadow people want to kill the fairies?

Cristina: They're all about experiments.

Jack: So I'm thinking that just to run more. It's science.

Cristina: Yeah, it's more about the science aspect. Like, what can we learn from their bodies to help our fairy?

Jack: Just not even kill all of them. They just want to invade Elfame and study it.

Cristina: Yeah, like if they could just kill one fairy, they'd probably learn a lot from that.

Jack: Interesting. There's also many kinds of fairies. There must be reasons for that. So they want to study those things.

Cristina: Yeah, maybe until one of them gives us an answer. That's my guess.

Jack: So Merlin's interesting.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, he is.

Jack: That's weird, man. He arranged the creation, birth and purpose of Arthur using his magic. But that's so overpowered. I don't even think it's about killing the fairies. Here's my theory. Here's my theory. It's not about killing the fairies. Merlin is just really strong and it's really dangerous that he's that powerful. And so the fairies probably tried to get rid of that threat. Not because he's trying to kill them, but he created a problem in which he's like, fairies are trying to kill me. I gotta defend myself. Okay, you See, I don't think. I think it's just scary. Yeah. They're stronger. They're getting stronger than us. What do we do?

Cristina: Saying, they're getting stronger than us.

Jack: We are. Oh, s***. I just had the thought. I just had the thought. What we are to Elfame, what AI is to us, one day it's gonna pass us. And we're always a little scared of that moment. We're like, we're gonna make rules and make sure to program it, not just deciding the turn on us. And so the fairy is. Everybody in Elfame is ultimately like, yeah, one day they're, you know, we're gonna do everything we can and make rules so that they don't overpower us.

Cristina: Mm. It's a little different. Only in that we. It's us and then it's AI. But for them, it's. It's them and then it's the shadow people, and then it's us. Like, there's.

Jack: Yeah, but we're almost working with Shadow to get that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: To surpass Elfame.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So they consider it a bundle.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know. Yeah, they consider it a bundle. And there are elves in shadow around those civilizations. Same thing, doing the same thing. So both are an issue to Alphane. And I think that's the real problem. It's just governance. It's governance you're trying to govern and make sure that. Look, no, I promise you people of Elfame, we have rules and regulations and everything is safe. And our inventions won't surpass us. It's fine. It's under control. Meanwhile, in the background, we're doing it. Yeah, but we're also here. Like, we made AI. That s***'s totally gonna pass us. And then it's gonna go alfame in the way we could never. Machines are gonna pass us, figure out what we've been trying to accomplish, and go Alphane.

Cristina: Maybe, I don't know.

Jack: Easily. So then, Merlin, how did you get so strong, Merlin?

Cristina: Besides that. He's a water person.

Jack: He's a water person, a sea person, an Elysian. Well, tell me, Merlin. And Merlin answers. Well, I might be an Elysian, but I'm only half an Elysian.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: My mom was a chim.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: What.

Cristina: What. What is the story behind that?

Jack: Don't know. His mom was a f****** incubus.

Cristina: What? What? What? How'd you get that story?

Jack: That's just also part of the scripture. Merlin is born of a mortal, which would be the Elysian, and then an incubus, which is a shadow creature.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: How the h*** did that happen? But incubus as shadow creatures are somehow different than other shadow creatures, and we never thought about this. Although not all. Most shadow creatures are ethereal, wet judges and djinns. They seem ghostly. Incubus can f*** a guy.

Cristina: Well, he. It was made with an apple. That was. What's her name's attempt of making humans. That was.

Jack: Yeah. You're talking about Lilith.

Cristina: Lilith's attempt. Yeah. So it's its own thing, sort of too.

Jack: It's a shadow invention.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Using human stuff.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Not even human. Using Earth stuff.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's a shadow. Yeah, it's a. It's. I guess it's the merge. So an incubus is a creature that's neither shadow nor earthling. It's both shadow and earthling.

Cristina: Because it came out of Adam.

Jack: Yeah. Made from Adam and apples from shadow. And I guess the apples ultimately assist in merging as well. Because the apples are technically all from shadow.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: Interesting. You see, as we. The more we go through it, the fresher it gets.

Cristina: Connections being made.

Jack: Yes. So the main idea. And this is why in the group of the shadow gods, it was so important that they looked for a guy who was an expert at combining shadow tech and earthling tech. Duh. Because that's the ultimate goal that makes you better canal fame.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's why. Because everything is about merging the two.

Cristina: Everything.

Jack: Everything is about merging the two. Because that's how you beat the one. That's how you beat the one.

Cristina: Love it. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: So what did we learn? We learned Arthur doesn't really matter other than that. Well, now he does. Arthur matters because he's potentially a Jesus thing.

Cristina: Jesus type thing.

Jack: Second experiment. Incubus are half human, half shadow hybrids. And they can mate with mortals from Earth.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This one Merlin being. Also, my theory about Merlin doesn't just end at him being an Elysian, which that's in the writing, and his mother being incubus, which is half the Elysian and half shadow creature, but. Or I guess he's one fourth shadow creature because it's Adam plus the incubus. That's already. No, Adam makes the incubus, which is half earth, half shadow. So the incubus is inherently half and half.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So an incubus then mates with a Elysian. An Elysian is purely earthling and an incubus is already half earthling. So you get 1/4 shadow and 3/4 earthling.

Cristina: Earthling. Yeah.

Jack: Interesting. He has a nice balanced makeup. But anyways, Merlin sounds and I think this might be the case with all of them. He sounds a lot like one of the Magi.

Cristina: What? Manji.

Jack: Manji were the people who were assisting, or that type of person who was assisting Mary on her journey. The three Wise men and Joseph. All who were watching over her, Mary, when she was on the way to Cyprus.

Cristina: No. You think Manjis are some type of human shadow realm thing?

Jack: Not necessarily human shadow realm thing, but some special Elysians. Okay, we know they're special Alicians. Like, we're absolutely sure of it. We know they are special. But I thought they were special in rank and ability. Maybe they're just different as, like, some of them might be. It's. It's. I'm thinking the Maji are the sort of secret services. You know, like, people follow President around or.

Cristina: Okay, they're like experiments as well.

Jack: They might be, or not necessarily experiments, but like, how the h*** did you guys come across an incubus and me? So, you know, like, oh, this is a special case, but why is it okay to meet with some? I guess it's because it's already part human. Not human, part Earthling.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: You know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's like, well, we'll make it more us than some of the other s***. But then this again. This is human. Some Shadowed, some Djinn. This is a human Djinn. Elysian hybrid.

Cristina: Yeah, but because of the. I think Adam. It makes it easy to. No, but haven't we heard Jinns not use with Adam?

Jack: So he is kind of a Nephilim, when you think about it. Because an incubus is half human, half shadow, and then an incubus mating with the C person. The half that's human with half of being an Elysian would equal a Nephilim.

Cristina: I know. Is there a difference? We. You didn't talk about Nephilims at all and what they're like. Have you.

Jack: No, but he's 25%. He's 50% Nephilim, 14 Elysian and 1 4th shadow.

Cristina: Why is he 50% Nephilim or.

Jack: No, my bad. He is 1 4th Nephilim, 1 4th shadow and 1 half.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Elysian. That's the breakdown.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He's overpowered for a reason. He's so overpowered. Merlin is so overpowered, he can control time. That's problematic. He's too advanced. I think he's defending himself by creating a weapon that can kill a fairy. But he got acquired by the fairy. And also, something happens in the middle of these interactions where Arthur gets taken to the fairy. The fairy gives him the real sword. Somewhere in the middle of this, the fairy successfully manages to enchant Merlin, forcing Arthur to kill Merlin.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, this. That's how this wraps up.

Cristina: It ends with him killing Merlin.

Jack: Arthur kills Merlin after Merlin is enchanted by the lady of the Lake. The sword that Merlin gave Arthur probably couldn't kill Merlin, which is why he broke when he tried to fight earth things.

Cristina: Yes, it was to kill the fairy.

Jack: It was to kill the fairy. But the fairy gave him a sword that can kill Merlin.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because it can kill anything earthly.

Cristina: Yes. Oh my gosh.

Jack: So the same way Mer. He dies. Yeah, the same way Merlin was trying to off the fairy. The fairy made a weapon that can off Merlin.

Cristina: But that's crazy. That's even more magical. That she can fight something that could pretty much control the future. Like his powers is pretty epic. But she was still able to go around that like it did not affect her.

Jack: I don't think it was about affecting her. Why couldn't he just control Arthur to do the things he needed to do? He needed to give Arthur a story to follow.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's because you can't control Arthur. Arthur is the one who defied it. Who'd she used to kill Merlin? Why didn't she wield the sword on Merlin? Because Merlin would see it coming. He can't see Arthur.

Cristina: Yeah, because Arthur is following a story.

Jack: Arthur's following a story. Story got manipulated by both sides.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. These authors. Something else we're not really. I think he's more human than either of those two things.

Jack: I don't think he's human at all.

Cristina: Or he's.

Jack: I think he's an Elysian mixed with some elf or something. With a Naga maybe. I don't know. Yeah, no, he doesn't shapeshift.

Cristina: That's really shapeshift. He doesn't have any actual magic powers except for the pulling of the sword.

Jack: So then is how he's a watered down version of something. Because this is still the only guy who could get it done.

Cristina: He was made though, to do that thing. That's why he makes me. He reminds me of the Golem. Because he was made to teleport.

Jack: He was made to be able to enter Elfhame.

Cristina: Yeah. So like Oster was made for a purpose, which was the pulling of the sword. And then you try to trick him to do all these other things. But of course that didn't succeed. But I think it was specifically made for that thorn.

Jack: No. I think, yes. Well, no, I don't think the sword mattered. I think the real argument here is that Arthur, because he could have made anybody pull the sword, he decides who gets to pull the sword.

Cristina: I don't think anyone could have pulled the sword.

Jack: No. I think the sword was made by Merlin to kill fairies. It's just.

Cristina: Oh, you think he made the sword?

Jack: Yeah, it's just it's not safe for him to go to the fairy. I mean, look at what happened when he did go to the fairy. So he just stays away from the fairy.

Cristina: Because he's such an interesting thing. Like, I feel like he should have had the ability. Like he's not just a human already, he's who?

Jack: Merlin.

Cristina: Yeah. He's Elysian shadow creatures, etc. Like, come on.

Jack: And still he did not want to go to the fairy. Think about how overpowered the s*** of Alfame is that Merlin was still like, I'll use that guy to do it. And think about how overpowered Elfame is that. As overpowered as this guy is, all he did was get in that vicinity.

Cristina: And still somehow special that the fairies used him too, because they didn't need to use him either.

Jack: Who? Merlin?

Cristina: Author.

Jack: No author is special. I'm saying that Merlin can't go to the fairy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And yes. The specialness that this overpowered sorcerer made Arthur with.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Is what that fairy used as well.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because there's something about making these things that are. That's unpredictable. And Merlin can't see the future of Arthur. So he couldn't see Arthur killing him.

Cristina: No. Interesting.

Jack: There's something so unique about Arthur.

Cristina: Yes. But. And also like Jesus of like everyone seeing him. He also affecting people in a few future sight type of way. Like, is he. No, not really. But yes at the same time.

Jack: How do you mean?

Cristina: Like just his existence changed.

Jack: Oh yeah. But that's more about who he was. Like people were having literal visions about.

Cristina: Jesus, but because of what he was, I think is part of that. And whatever he is, is something that this author is. It's not the same.

Jack: I know it's not the same. Yeah, yeah. They're similar. They're very close.

Cristina: Similar. They are. They're both experiments. And I. Oh, and I'm thinking of the golem too, because that's the only experiment that we've seen that there's something. These three things now.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Are very similar.

Jack: Yes. Yes. They have a lot of the same features going on which they seem to have been created with a very specific, very linear. Yes. Purpose in mind. And that's their thing. And it also Seems an each one of these. Except the golem. The golem. No.

Cristina: He stuck to what he was made for.

Jack: Yes. Control was the main feature this guy was obsessed with. Which is why he had a way of deactivating it.

Cristina: Yeah. Which they was. No deactivation for these other two.

Jack: No. Because they were unlike the golem. They were. They were made from this sort of uncontrollable feature of mortals. Something about these. It's the fruits, bro. Because the fruits are still warned about everywhere. Something about knowledge and free will is dangerous when you're trying to control some s***. You can't control some with free will.

Cristina: Yeah. Which is almost only used with mad. No. Blood.

Jack: Yeah, Blood and magic. It's a hundred percent mindless.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Except no, it was. It did. It just could be deactivated.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which I guess makes it really dark.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because it's like this is a thinking, sentient, loving being and you just turn it off whenever you want and it's just in darkness. It's like. That's a messed up dark rabbi. But if the problem is control, he solved the problem. It only got problematic afterwards because he wasn't around. He was just a guy. And then he dies eventually. And then who's going to handle the golem? But the Manji can't reclaim that. I think.

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: Who knows?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So yes, Arthur and Jesus and Joseph have a lot of similar features. Merlin used and made Arthur and used him to try to kill the fairy. The fairy, knowing this made a weapon equally.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And used Merlin's own creation, who could defy the wizard's overpowered ability to see the future. And he couldn't see Arthur's future. And Arthur successfully killed Merlin because Merlin in seeing that. Oh s***. The plan is falling apart. I need to tell Arthur. No, this is a trap. He gets in front of the lady in the lake and she immediately uses her over powered magic on him. And boom. He stayed away for a reason. And the moment he got around, boom.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then forced. Because at that moment, that's when Arthur notices. Oh s***. This was. He was. He was telling the truth. Merlin's warning, which was the fairies. You. It's a fake a** plan.

Cristina: Oh, he realizes after he kills him.

Jack: No, I mean, yeah, after he kills Merlin and he sees like the whole situation, he's like. Oh, well actually that's why he kills Merlin. Because he. Merlin becomes enchanted by the fairy.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So the Merlin becomes enchanted by the fairy and he sees that and he's like, oh no, he was right now I gotta kill him. And her.

Cristina: Does he kill her?

Jack: I don't know if he kills her. No, actually he doesn't. So it's. It's kind of one of those endings. Because in one book it puts him at killing the fairy, but in the other it said that the fairy was defeated in battle and fled.

Jack: Now what does a fairy running away look like? Disappearing.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah, I would guess. Yeah.

Jack: So like, it's possible that fairy's gone. But what if you killed the fairy with. If the fairy had the weapon that could kill her.

Cristina: Yeah. So she probably just.

Jack: Probably dipped. There was no reason to still be there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Her last hoorah was you, Merlin.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So this is a real combat moment between a casual fairy that's still unnamed. We just call her the lady of the Lake.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And Merlin, who was. There's some beef between these two.

Cristina: Maybe they're they. That. That was their territory. They both had. Were fighting for one territory.

Jack: 100 could be the case. Or the purpose of that fairy was to handle Merlin. Okay.

Cristina: Did it and then she disappeared.

Jack: 100%.

Cristina: Okay. That's also something. Yeah.

Jack: Because it's starting to look like now although Merlin made that weapon to defend himself. Alfie made s*** to defend themselves just as much. And we're just catching up.

Cristina: We never. Yeah. We never hear these stories that about fairies actually doing their job of like slowing us down and everything. So this is a good example. Yeah. So they actually are doing it. We don't have many of those stories, but it's rare that they actually feel threatened. And this is just one of those cases.

Jack: Yes. As we dig deeper, we find that more and more we're slowly inching towards Elfame. Plot twist though.

Cristina: What? What? What?

Jack: Arthur didn't die there. So that problem was still there.

Cristina: What was the problem?

Jack: Arthur?

Cristina: Why do you think she cares?

Jack: Because he's whatever Jesus is and whatever the golem is. And that's a problem.

Cristina: But if the end of the story doesn't involve him, like is he killed by someone? Like, how is that a problem then?

Jack: So this takes us to later stories of Arthur's life. Arthur might. As the latest version of this that we're aware of might have actually been a really good control. Although he could not actually control Arthur. He added a thing here that made Arthur a little easier to handle. Big picture.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Arthur can't be killed as long as he's holding the sword.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Arthur will still age.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Arthur's gonna die of old age.

Jack: And then he can't Go forward.

Cristina: So that's not a problem. Yeah.

Jack: That's the control factor. Long term.

Cristina: Yeah. So the fairy doesn't really have to worry about Arthur because he's gonna die.

Jack: But now, ignoring the fact, problem solved. Okay. Arthur is the best version we have so far because now he's a human lifespan, disposable version.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Of Jesus. Because you can't dispose of Jesus. He just comes right back.

Cristina: Yeah. I want to know how old is the author's story, though. I need to know how close he is to Jesus or to us. I think it's 1500s, but maybe not. Maybe that's when the story was popular, but it was before that.

Jack: Oh, interesting. So 11th century. 12th to 11th century. I thought it was 15th. That was still pretty long ago. But it was way after Jesus. This is actually happening before the golem then.

Cristina: Before the golem. The golem was in what year?

Jack: The golem was in the 16 to 17.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So in time, though, it's. They're closer together.

Jack: Yeah, in time, they're closer together. But then Arthur was the meaty, fleshy version. Okay. So then the progression makes a lot of sense. If we think of. So was this rabbi a sea person? No, he was just a human. We know that for a fact because he died quickly, too.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Sea people just kind of go.

Cristina: There was something that told them the secrets of making this thing.

Jack: It was actually when they were doing some rituals.

Cristina: Yes. So it was some shadow realm creature.

Jack: Yeah. Explain the process.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why did the shadow. Because of the f****** Elysians that are in that the people they were talking to that told them how to make the f****** golem were from the shadow gods. That's who they were talking to.

Cristina: Shadow God.

Jack: The shadow gods. So, d***, now we have a mention of the shadow gods. We know of a time they were active. We know when they were most recently active, as far as our information goes, which is the 1600s. And we know of a Elysian in Earthrealm in the 1200s and 1100s, which is Merlin.

Cristina: That's crazy. That's crazy.

Jack: So now we know. The questions I had laid out to answer were, why are the fairies so interested in Arthur? It's because something is special about Arthur. He is one of these inventions. But I guess the reason that the golem is the way he is is because of this situation that happened. Because that information moved forward.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: About the fairies taking control.

Cristina: Yeah. You gotta make something that can't be controlled when you're not using it.

Jack: So although Arthur is better than Jesus, he's immortal. Which solved a lot. Just in case he did get controlled. But too late. The damage is done. So you need something that you can deactivate.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And can't be controlled. And is gonna listen to what you're saying, even if it has a sentient mind. Hence the golem. Jesus was too out of control.

Cristina: Arthur is still somehow out of control.

Jack: He was too easy to control.

Cristina: Okay, yes. Yes. That's the problem.

Jack: It was the other extreme.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Everybody controlled Arthur.

Cristina: Yes. And the skull was just one specific guy.

Jack: One specific guy in one specific way.

Cristina: Once he died, there was no control over him. That was it.

Jack: And the sword wasn't so special. It was just a sword that can. Well, I guess it is, because it can still kill fairies. The real Excalibur is the one that isn't special, although it's just a great overpowered fairy weapon. But it can't be used on fairies.

Cristina: No, but it can be used on anything else.

Jack: So there's two Excaliburs, except one of them is an alfame. And we'll never get that one. The fairy killer. But there is a weapon out here that can kill kind of anything, including shadow creatures.

Cristina: Do we know who has that sword now?

Jack: We don't know.

Cristina: It's not a church.

Jack: It might be. If anybody has it, it's the freaking church. Interesting enough. Could Arthur have killed Jesus? Would that have been one of the uses of Arthur if he could have been lasted long term? Because that sword could kill Jesus. It could kill anything. So there's a sword that could kill Jesus maybe.

Cristina: Bare minimum, before he died. Maybe. But now, as this some Jesus.

Jack: Well, he's still shadow Jesus. And the sword, in theory, could deal with that. It's an Elfame sword.

Cristina: That's true. Almost not.

Jack: There's a sword that could probably kill Jesus.

Cristina: Oh, like kill, kill that sword?

Jack: Yeah, like kill, kill?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like officially off Jesus permanently.

Cristina: And.

Jack: In. With that in mind, is Jesus a concern for the fairies? Like, are the fairies worried about Jesus after the fact? Like, do they care about Jesus? I was thinking about this because I know he's an issue for the people of Shadow and the people of Earth.

Cristina: Do the fairies? Can't.

Jack: But do the fairy. Like, he maybe. He could potentially be a threat. But does he care?

Cristina: Does he care?

Jack: Does he care? Is it revenge purely. Or is it just like. Nah, dude, I don't give a. I.

Cristina: Feel like they'd care even if he wasn't interested because he's so strong. Still be a threat. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. Okay. Okay. So then the point of making that sword wasn't just so he can kill Merlin. Merlin's probably more of a problem than Jesus is.

Cristina: Yeah, they probably made that sword for Jesus.

Jack: But then Jesus himself is a weird hybrid thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And Merlin, now, I don't know. Merlin is a Manji for a fact, but Merlin could kind of be what Jesus is too. I don't know. Merlin's op as f***.

Cristina: And he's a lot of from the fruit, so. No, no, not Merlin. That was author.

Jack: Arthur.

Cristina: Author is. Okay, never mind.

Jack: The question is, is Merlin a thing like Jesus? That did work and he was making Arthur. But there's nothing about Merlin that tells us he's special other than he's weird.

Cristina: And that his mom is a. Oh, yeah.

Jack: There's no magic other than he learned how to use magic. But it's the same way. Like maybe it's just really advanced tech for all we even. He has fabric of space time manipulating tech.

Cristina: I don't think he's the same thing as Jesus.

Jack: No. Because he still needed the control. He couldn't interact. He got controlled. He couldn't. He couldn't be. He couldn't be. He got controlled. Yeah. That's what we got. This is where what I discovered. Apparently there's a lot there that's awesome and random. Random.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I did not expect this direction at all. Anyways, if you guys know any additional details that can help us understand how this fits into the greater narrative, feel free to give us those details. You can find us on all the socials to do that, which are at just convopod on TikTok, on X, on Instagram, on Facebook.

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Cristina: This has been the rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye now. A bunch of kids disappeared in Canada and a bunch of kids disappeared in Hawaii. Okay. Absolutely fine. I guarantee you in the next month or two. Oh, you know, we, we. We were sloppy. We were sorry about what happened. We're gonna give the people of Hawaii the requirements necessary for them to rebuild. We don't need to be involved in this. Let the people of Hawaii have their things. I don't. We don't know why we've been just so invested. I guarantee you just gonna. It's just gonna change. The tone is just gonna change.

Cristina: Weird. Okay.

Jack: You know, the sloppy is entirely due to the desperation and the withdrawal. The comes with adrenochrome. Why is it target children? It's obviously the target's children. Because you need a dream of.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister, with social media managed by Amber Black.

September 30, 2023

Rambling 245: Summary As It Stands

September 30, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

How was Earth Realm made? Where do Fairy Trees come from? Is there a third Philosopher’s Stone? The duo create a summary of the major events in the Sea People’s timeline in order to assist new listeners with the vast amount of data and with hopes of coming to additional conclusions with all the information in front of them at once. What they didn’t expect was a solution to some of the bigger questions being right in front of their faces!

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Yaldobaoth and the Philosopher’s Stone
Eloai the Great Ancestor
Jehovah
The Three Great Nations
The Naga and the Elves
The Philosopher’s Stone
The Artificial Insemination of Mary
Three Magi
Catholic Suppression
Knights Templar

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And so because of how absurd and baffling some of these ideas are, and we've been going on a spiral that's been months at this point, about the sea people and adrenochrome. And now we've even gotten so far that we're. We're gonna have to start looking for the philosopher stone. Yeah, the third missing philosopher's stone. But anyways, because of how long this road has been here, and it's so many episodes that if somebody were to jump in suddenly, it would be an absolute f****** nightmare to keep track. It would suck. It was such a f****** long series that I figured it makes a lot of sense to make a summery episode to catch people up. It's not gonna be super granular because it's absolutely too much.

Cristina: It's. It's a lot of episodes. How many episodes has it been so far?

Jack: The h***? No, it's many. Too many. But we can summarize all the important points, so I figured that's what we do and then create this summary episode.

Cristina: Okay, and where do you start?

Jack: Well, as it stands, by the way, that's probably gonna be the name of this episode as it stands.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We would have to go all the way to the beginning of seemingly time based on everything we know. This is all chronological, as far as we know.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Okay. So a chronological retelling of the universe leading up to the most recent moment. We begin at Elfhame, and I believe the goal is to get back to Elfame. So let us comment all the way at the beginning. A creature named Mab within the first realm named Elfhame, creates the shadow realm through unknown methods, presumably the sciences of Elfhame. Yeah, we don't know if Mab is the only one of her kind, if she is the gaudiest of gods, or if she's just one of many. From her tier in Elfhame, she could be one of many. Who knows? And considering as above, so below, it's likely that she's just one of many. But for the sake of our understanding, that's where it begins for us and everything we know of, because we can't.

Cristina: Trace the top in Alphane.

Jack: Yeah, she. Well, we don't know.

Cristina: We don't know.

Jack: Oh, Queen. But that assumes that maybe there's a king, like, I don't know. Now, in the Shadow Realm, a creature named Yaldabaoth is put in charge of the Shadow Realm. And that creature then creates Earth. That is the order of the three realms. Alfame creates the Shadow Realm. The Shadow Realm creates Earth.

Cristina: Okay. She did not create him. He just was a thing in.

Jack: Presumably, she created him. Or he is. I don't know. He could have been a product, naturally.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: We. We don't understand his origin. There's no. Nothing told to us about that. But could be he could. Now that I think about it, there was no direct. He was created by her.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: He's just in charge of.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Because maybe, you know, who knows? Giant, epic battle over billions of years led to him being on top. We have absolutely no idea how long the periods of time are between these points. It could be infinity's worth. Between Mab creating the Shadow Realm and then Yaldabaoth creating Earth. It could have been infinities. We have no. What. What does time mean in the Shadow Realm?

Cristina: Oh, besides her making the Shadow Realm, she also made other things. Or was that after he made Earth?

Jack: What do you mean? The other three goddesses that went ahead and created life and all that. I have no idea. Have no idea.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I have no idea what. We don't know what order those events happen in. We know she made a bunch of s***. He made a bunch of s***. And we are aware.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: We're gonna call him Yalda because it's shorthand for saying his long f****** name. Yalda has a child with a djinn. He names a child Sizzle. Now, life takes its natural course on Earth for billions of years. 14 or so odd billion years go by after Yalda creates the Earth Realm. 3.3. Now we're entering where we can start stamping things. 3.3 billion years ago, Yalda goes into EarthRealm and tinkers with the genetics of developing Earth species. What sciency Going and exploring, experimenting, poking things around and being like, what can I do with the things that are going on here? Using gene manipulation, he alters it so that so as to speed up a specific developing races, development and advancement. So, you know, get, get fast. I'm bored of seeing the same primitive.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Dinosaurs for God knows how long, presumably. Right. 2.5 million years ago, the first tools are developed by these creatures. 2.1 million years ago, Yalda reveals himself to three members of this altered species, located within what would later be known as a Persian Gulf oasis.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: One of them was named Eloi, which is very important. Yes. This is interesting because there's very similar Jesus structure that's happening here. Right? Not Jesus structure, but like Jehovah revealing himself. It seems like a lot of the things that we consider Jehovah did is not things Jehovah did.

Cristina: No, he's just based off of these much more ancient stories.

Jack: Yes. It seems that there's a lot of conflating Eloi and Jehovah.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because they kind of did a lot of the same things, but not to the same people. And so it's easy to be like, oh, yeah, we have. We, the sea people have these recorded stories of Eloi, and they get lost and refound by other people and they see Jehovah doing identical things. They think Jehovah is Eloi.

Cristina: Loi has to do with alchemy, though, right? He's the alchemist.

Jack: Everything apparently has to do with alchemy.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But yes, I guess so, because that's where we would be going towards next in a couple of lines. Let's see. Yalda gifts the Shadow Realm to his son Sizen.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: And Yalda informs Eloi of the existence of the Shadow Realm and the origins of Eloise Species. I altered you. I. I created how you are, then I allowed you to evolve. And also, I come from a different place. I made this universe you exist in. I come from a different place where different things happen, unlike anything you understand.

Cristina: And then. No, I'm trying not to get these stories confused, but he's not the one that he takes to the Garden. That's the next step. Somewhere down the line, right?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yalda does not go with Loi to the Garden.

Cristina: Okay. That's Susan and that's Susan.

Jack: And Loi.

Cristina: That's Loi.

Jack: L is short for Loi.

Cristina: How is he still alive? I thought that was another guy. No, that's him.

Jack: No, these are. This is what's weird about this. Instantaneously. This is why these are immediately not humans.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The giant gaps of time happening with Loi instantaneously tells you they are. They are living an absurd amount of time.

Cristina: I thought L and is like someone in his family or something.

Jack: Like.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess if they work still similar to humans, because we don't really know what they. What their lives are like.

Jack: This is an interesting point you're bringing up, because maybe, I guess maybe. Right, but no, the problem we're talking about is that even if that were the case, we're still talking of an absurd amount of years and the same name. So even if we were to say Loi is not L, then this guy still lives, like, 300,000 years. Like, it's still. You know, it's still like, whatever. It's probably him.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's still, like, between just Adam And Eve is 50,000 years. You know, like, it makes no sense. It makes no sense. But we know that these things were modified by a deity of some sort.

Cristina: Or.

Jack: Not a deity. That's just the way we would look at it. But the scientific leap between that s*** and us is so colossal, it's godly. And you get altered into this immortal thing. So 2 million years ago, that's the point where things get interesting. Because Eloi meets Sizen, and then Susan tells El of the Forest of Shadows, of which El already knew about the Shadow Realm. And it. There's. I still have no f****** clue how Susan and L meet in the first place. I just know they meet and they venture to the Forest of Shadows in the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: It has to be through his father. If he knew him.

Jack: No, because when Yalda gifts Sizen the Shadow Realm, he just dips, which is another weird thing. Where the f*** does he go?

Cristina: But it's not like he. Like, we don't know what that means. He could have left him things. He could have told him what he was doing and then left. Because what's the chances of him running into the same guy he was messing with?

Jack: Yeah, yeah. 100%. There's a huge gap of information there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like how? Why? What? You just came across the son of the. But, like, I don't even know. Why would your son be interested in this guy? There's something missing there. There's something missing there. There's a reason. There must have been an intent behind Sizzle and El crossing paths. Arguably both sons of Yalda in different ways.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: One literally birthed, one scientifically, the other one scientifically created.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But both. You could call them brothers at this point. Okay, from. Actually, that's an interesting way to look at it. Brothers from different realms. So Susan tells El of the Forest of Shadows, and they venture into the Shadow Realm to visit sometime. After an unknown amount of time, El acquires the fruit of knowledge and begins experimenting. We no longer have Szen mentioned here, and he's not for a while. In fact, we discovered Sizen much later without knowing that him and L interacted in this manner.

Cristina: So.

Jack: 156,000 years ago, the Philosopher's Stone, Adam is created, presumably by about six, using six primitive creatures from a new Developing ape species.

Cristina: The story of the people who are protecting the garden on the actual Earth Realm. When. How old are those stories?

Jack: That's way in the future from this point.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: That has nowhere near happened yet. So 156,000 years ago, the philosopher's stone atom is created from about six members of an ape species. So presumably they're sacrificed by L. And he's using the Fruit of Life, some fragment of this fruit. Quote, fruit. It's. I mean, they literally talk about trees, so I'm not thinking it's a metaphor. It's literally some sort of fruit or something.

Cristina: Because the tree does sound pretty magical if it's really connecting two realms or maybe even three.

Jack: Yes. We don't even know. There's already something weird about these trees to begin with. And using this Fruit of Life, he creates the philosopher's stone Adam. Or using Adam and the fruit of Life, the philosopher's stone atom and the Fruit of life, he creates the primitive human species. That is an unclear first problem we come across. Did he require the fruit plus the sacrifices to create the philosopher's stone Adam, or did he use the fruit plus the philosopher's stone Adam to create the first set of life? Unknown, don't know. Then a hundred thousand years ago, L acquires a Fruit of Knowledge, we face the same problem. Did he use the fruit of knowledge plus 50 million, roughly primitive humans to create Eve, or did he use Eve and the fruit of knowledge plus 50? Well, I guess Eve would have been made from 50 million sacrifices. So did he use the Philosopher's Stone Eve plus the fruit to make modern day humans, or did he use the fruit to make Eve with the sacrifices? So I don't know. In both cases, we don't know which the fruit was used for. Was the Fruit of Life used to create Adam or was the Fruit of Life used alongside Adam to create primitive humans? And then one generation later, was the Fruit of Knowledge used to create Eve or was it used alongside Eve to create modern day humans? I think in both instances. Because you don't need the fruit to create the philosopher's stone. I think in both instances they were used alongside it.

Cristina: Yes. I guess never written about using it to make.

Jack: Which isn't now in the magnum opus, it does show up. The, the Fruit of Life does show up, but it's not included. It's discussed as a separate thing. So based on that logic, we should assume it's used in conjunction, not to create it.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Which would say six sacrifices of this ancient ape species are used to create Adam. And then the fruit of life plus Adam equals primitive humans.

Cristina: Yes. Somehow.

Jack: Yes. And then 50 million of that primitive human is used to create Eve, the philosopher's stone. Eve. And then Eve and the fruit of knowledge are used to create modern day humans.

Cristina: Yes. And then is Jesus the next step?

Jack: Right, that's so far.

Cristina: That's so far. Okay. I don't know. These timelines are crazy.

Jack: We're talking hundreds of thousand years ago. Okay, hundreds of thousands of years ago. Then we go to about 50,000 years ago, modern day humans begin to develop language.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's been 50,000 years since the alteration was made with Eve and the modern day humans were invented. Now we're no longer doing millions of years or hundreds of thousands of years gaps. These creatures are moving even faster than the sea people did.

Cristina: Okay, think about it.

Jack: It was millions of years before 14 billion something. It was 3.3 million years when Yalda first genetically modified the apes.

Cristina: How long ago?

Jack: Or not even apes, whatever species they were from. 3.3 million years ago. Okay, let's see. Yes, 3.3 billion years ago, actually. Holy f***. When he. Jesus Christ. 3.3 billion years ago, when he first went to alter the genetics of this developing species. And then 2.5 million years ago, the first tools were developed. Those are the sea people. Think of the giant gap of time between those two points.

Cristina: That's pretty huge. So it took them a while.

Jack: Took them a while while. But then it took us from being created 100,000 years ago, only 50,000 years to get to our tools and language.

Cristina: Huh? We're better.

Jack: We're better. I mean, that's the point, right? 40,000 years ago, Mab sends Naga to any and all rapidly developing intelligence civilizations. So now the settlements are spread out throughout the world because hundreds of years pass.

Cristina: And these are the snakes.

Jack: These are the snakes created by Oros.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: And so all the seemingly faster developing groups have one Naga somewhere among them that is eventually gonna attach itself to whatever fastest developing is happening. And now we start entering more modern situations. 12,000 years ago, Jehovah, descendant of Eloi of the Sea People from the Persian Gulf oasis, appears in the Shadow Realm requesting passage to the Forest of Shadow.

Cristina: Who?

Jack: Jehovah.

Cristina: Okay, What?

Jack: Yeah, that's when he goes and he gets the fruits.

Cristina: Oh, okay, I thought that already happened. No, that was Adam and Eve. Oh, okay.

Jack: No, now Jehovah's the one showing up with like a note or something. You don't remember that? He had some data that said, oh yeah, this stuff exists here And Susan had already placed because of before Jehovah, this other guy, the Judge.

Cristina: The Judge? Yes, the Judge of the humans and Shadow people.

Jack: Later. Yeah, later, the Djinn, he went ahead and crossed and then alerted Susan, which decided, I need to put some guards here. Now, the Judge is an interesting situation because that happens roughly around the same time, right? The judge comes first, 10,000 years BC roughly 11. And crosses into the Shadow Realm. Brother of Inanna tells Inanna of his ventures through there. And he begin. He, you know, the Jinn know. They find out that he's a Judge, and they're like, oh, yeah, we need somebody to kind of do that for us as well. And Inanna gets curious. Inanna goes and she traded this place. She tries the fruit, though, first, gets enlightened, becomes obsessed with the Shadow Realm, frequents it, and then. No. Gets to know Ixo. Ixo, the prodigy botanist from the Shadow Realm, and her get close and then decide to swap places after trading a bunch of stories. And then Ixchel lands in Maya, where later she will pair with some Egyptian guy.

Cristina: I mean, Egyptian Mayan.

Jack: You said Mayan with a Mayan.

Cristina: And they do their own weird stuff.

Jack: Yes, they join. They become part of the Earth Gods, which we will get to. So, yeah. 12,000 years ago, following the interactions with the Judge, Jehovah, a descendant of Eloi, goes into the Shadow Realm, requesting passage to the Forest of Shadows, where he then collects all three fruits.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: 8,500 years ago, Mananan is sent to the Isle of Man to lead a team of researchers into the proclaimed fairy trees.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Which, knowing Jehovah, is us. Now, these timelines now suddenly make a lot of sense when you put them back to back like that. Because 12,000 years ago, you have Jehovah, who finds the.

Cristina: The trees in the Shadow Realm.

Jack: Trees in the Shadow Realm. And who knows how long they've been looking for them, because the Judge already theorized they come up somewhere else.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then Jehovah shows up looking for the fruit, and then a couple of thousand years later, oh, we finally tracked them.

Cristina: Okay. Boom. Before he took the fruit, he already had the. The ones for Adam and Eve. That already happened, right?

Jack: Yeah, that's way in the past.

Cristina: Oh, okay. I wonder if the fruits somehow helped them find the. The Earth Realm version of these plants.

Jack: Fascinating.

Cristina: Fascinating, because they already used it for what we believe they needed the fruit. Score. Anyway, so why they come back for more?

Jack: Well, that's an interesting question. Right. We know that how the garden is spoken of suggests that these philosopher stones have remained with the Sea People this entire time. And we originally figured out before half of this s*** that one of the main purposes was to protect Adam and Eve.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the fruit. So all of this is in the lab named the Garden of Eden.

Cristina: Yes. So why did he need to get more fruits? If they already had the fruits that.

Jack: They'Re protecting, why did they need more fruit?

Cristina: Probably to find it. Must have somehow helped find the actual fruits. I mean plants I guess on the Earth Realm. Because they don't really say how they found the Earth Realm version of it.

Jack: No.

Cristina: It would be weird that they just.

Jack: Happen to know that's another huge gap. Right. We have no idea what specifically took them to the Isle of Man where the fairy trees were. We just know that they do. And they put Mananan there.

Cristina: Yep. Which happens after he goes and sees those trees himself. Okay. That makes sense.

Jack: There's something there. Those fruits are guiding us somewhere. Six thousand years ago, the isle Imayn Al Bach. Close to the Isle of Man. A Sea People settlement. And then city is established near the Isle of Man. Where Mananan begins to live among other Sea People. That's to help with research. Presumably. 5,100 years ago, the Sea People share their knowledge and technology with the developing civilization of Egypt.

Cristina: Cool.

Jack: The Egyptians build a research team known as the Sun Gods with the intent to research teleportation technology, massive energy harvesting and energy storage.

Cristina: And they also work with the Shadow Realm. Besides the Sea People.

Jack: Yes. They have members that are part of that came from the Shadow Realm. And they have members that came from. They have each. It seems that every structure of a team. The best most highly developed groups of people are earthrealmers. With Shadow Realmers. With a Naga. It seems that every single one features that. Including the Sea People who are earthrealmers.

Cristina: Yes. It seems like they got the knowledge from them. We don't really know if they're like they're on their. Like physically they're with them. Like the Shadow Realm people. Just seems like they're giving them what they need to figure out whatever it is they need.

Jack: Wait. Who's on what with the what?

Cristina: The Sea People. It doesn't seem like they have an actual member that's physically they're helping them out.

Jack: Yeah, they do. We establish this.

Cristina: They do.

Jack: Oh Jehovah. Lilith and the serpent Naga named By the way. I found the f****** name of this thing. It's called Nahas.

Cristina: But those people are in the garden. They're not out in the world helping people. That's one research team yeah, that's what I'm saying. They're not in a research. There's not one in Egypt. Is there a three person hang out in the Egyptian? Oh well, no, because they just pass them the knowledge.

Jack: Well no, no, no. You're. You're discussing the Sea people, not thinking of it the proper way. Don't think of the individual species of the individuals, think of the realm they come from. That's more important because the features are the same across the board. The Mayan, the Egyptian, the Sea people, which are just one city worth of people, all are an earthrealmer, an Elfhame Realm member and a Shadow Realm member. That's where it gets interesting. The Naga are from Elfame. The in the whichever race they might be from come from the Earth Realm and they all have a Shadow Realm member with them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: All three are featured. So it's not important that they're sea people. That just happens to be where it began.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because even when we think of the Sea people, we go far back enough and we end up at L with Sizen. So it's already two. What's weird about that is one of the big questions. Where is the Naga?

Cristina: With L and Susan?

Jack: With L and Susan. But we also don't know if Ellen Susan ever did any sciency stuff together because the moment that L gets into sciency stuff, Susan isn't mentioned anymore. Interesting. No.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know.

Jack: But you would think based on the pattern L Sizen.

Cristina: And yes, maybe there was and there's some story behind that, but it didn't end well.

Jack: Yeah, but as far as the Sea people, that part is less important when it comes to the individual groups. Because what matters to these groups as far as we know is, is that it's a Fairy Realm member, an EarthRealm member and a Shadow Realm member. And that seems to be a feature in all of the highly advanced ones.

Cristina: Kind of makes no sense that it's a Fairy Realm member. Because it seems like they're trying, I don't know, it seems like they're trying to get to the Fairy Realm, but it also seems like the Fairy Realm leader is trying to stop. Stop them from doing so. But they're also.

Jack: Here's. Here's what I will say if you look at the timeline. One, there's no proof that they're trying to get anywhere yet. And two, MAB send quite a while ago, 40,000 years ago, she sends Naga to any and all rapidly developing intelligent civilizations. That's before any form of technology allowing anything impressive has Even begun. She has no idea yet.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You see?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So it's like she still doesn't know. There's nothing to be fearful of. But it seems so far. Earth Fairy and Shadow Realm all working together. Every advanced civilization has a Shadow member and every research team has a Shadow Realm number. And. And each advanced civilization has a Naga for a reason.

Cristina: We have no clue. We have no clue. We can just guess what they're trying to do, what their end goal. What is the end goal? There's just so many experiments.

Jack: Yes. A lot of weird experiments.

Cristina: We're trying to like put them together. Somehow they fit together.

Jack: Yeah. There's a puzzle. And this is all without talking about the fact that there's many structures of abandoned civilizations and abandoned structures from successful civilizations around the old equator. We're not. Again, we're summarizing and jumping through what matters. But those were all, in theory, failed experiments that were to build a puzzle that didn't make it into the bigger plan. Yeah, those are a bunch of sky maps and compasses and sundials and studies of different portal technology, including things like Stonehenge that appear to be some sort of failed portal things. And it's like there's a lot of experiments that are just discarded a lot from civilizations that would later make it anyways. But something about them was irrelevant because now you're not gonna. You're not serving the purpose all put around the old equator.

Cristina: Why is that important?

Jack: Why is that important? There's so many questions that we can't answer. So crazy. So we got MANANAN around the 6,000 years ago. MANANAN around the freaking. The island. The Isle of Man at their individual island of Emane al Bach. Then 5,100 years ago, the Sea people start sharing their knowledge with the Egyptians. And the Egyptians begin to work on teleportation technology. Massive energy harvesting and energy storage.

Cristina: What?

Jack: They all have a Naga, a Shadow Realm person, and an Earthrealm.

Cristina: Sounds like they want to do some space traveling, but who knows.

Jack: The Sea people around this time build the palace of Alcaraz in the Persian Gulf oasis. They've been in the Persian Gulf oasis, but now they're establishing a different, complicated. Specifically described as a complicated underwater metropolis with intent to conduct comprehensive research in secrecy. 4,500 years ago, the Greek, unable to replicate the Philosopher stones or locate the fairy trees, stumble upon the concept of Adrenochrome and proceed to experiment with that instead.

Cristina: That's when they create that monster.

Jack: No, that's not even the Greek.

Cristina: Oh, okay. What did they do with that.

Jack: Then create what the people of there get to know as the Greek Gods.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Which are just a bunch of super jacked up humans. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Bunch of lunatic. They also have Naga. Like whatever. Any advanced group of people has Naga. And they're just jacked up and hopped up on.

Cristina: On blood and fear.

Jack: 3,500 years ago, the sea people share their knowledge and technology with the developing civilization of Maya. The Maya build a research team known as the Earth Gods with intent to study data storage and portal technology.

Cristina: They do love those portal technologies. It's everywhere.

Jack: It gets complicated. Ma'.

Cristina: Am.

Jack: And we enter into 2100 years ago. Mab grows fearful of the rapidly developing technologies of the intelligent civilizations across Earth Realm and Shadow Realm and directs teams of elves to venture near every advanced civilization and assure they do not develop technology that could threaten Elfhame.

Cristina: But what examples of that have we seen? Huh?

Jack: Two thousand years ago, Jehovah's research team consisting of the Naga named Nahas and a Djinn named Lilith artificially inseminate a volunteer sea person named Mary using the fruit of Life, the fruit of knowledge, the fruit of flesh, and the two philosopher stones, Adam and Eve. Now, first major absolutely plot destroying question is what the. There should be a third philosopher's stone based on what we understand from the previous ones. If we were just to follow pattern, it maybe doesn't need one. But if we were to follow the pattern. Fifteen hundred fifteen, six thousand years ago, the fruit of life plus the philosopher's stone Adam equals the primitive humans. A hundred thousand years ago, the philosopher stone named Eve plus a fruit of knowledge equals the modern day humans. So if we're gonna create the next thing, where is the next philosopher's stone that we're using alongside the fruit of flesh. Unless that's why we're using the other two philosopher's stones.

Cristina: Because they can't make a new one. Or they don't want to.

Jack: Or maybe it would be crazy.

Cristina: It would be crazy. That's a lot of dead people.

Jack: But it happened before. Or would it happen?

Cristina: That's way more.

Jack: Because here would be the idea, right? We have Adam made from primitive. Whatever. Some primitive apes equals Adam and some primitive humans equals Eve. So use these two existing stones and don't make another stone. And is that why the product isn't perfect later, as we will establish in a moment. And so we do need a third stone. But this was trying to do it without having to do that.

Cristina: Maybe they just want to limit. Like maybe if they did do it perfect like if Jesus was perfect, then it would cause them a lot of problems as well. It could.

Jack: Cuz how do you stop them though? If you were to go rogue, then what?

Cristina: Exactly. So until they have some kind of solution, maybe he was just a test.

Jack: Fascinating. I, I like that you said that. And that is a point that we're definitely gonna have to revisit in a bit. Yes, because. Well, we'll get there. We'll get there. Good, good feedback. I did not think about that at all. And that makes a lot of f****** sense. So they go ahead and make and artificially inseminate Eve with the three fruits at eve, Mary with the three fruits and the two philosopher's stones. And then that leaves the first big question. Where's the other philosopher's stone? Based on what you just told me, perhaps there is not even a third philosopher stone. We wouldn't know need one yet. So through the course of Mary's pregnancy, people around the world begin to have visions of a child throughout all parts of his life, including being in the palace of Alcaraz in the Persian Gulf oasis. Immediate problem, if the point of the palace of Alcaraz was secrecy and people are literally seeing in their heads where this place is. Purpose defeated, ending go. So this becomes a concern to the sea people because of attempting to keep everything and their technology and their research a secret. So they devise a plan to solve.

Cristina: The problem, which is kicking Mary out, but not really because they, they care about her soul.

Jack: I guess she is one of them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the goal is Mary is to leave the Persian Gulf oasis before the sea people evacuate to a new, undisclosed location. Mary is to travel to the island of Cyprus, where a teleporter and escort will be waiting to take her to Mount Athos. And from Mount Athos to their new home, she is to leave the child at Cyprus. You can be raised by those people and most likely there are magi who will stay there forever with the child.

Cristina: But she doesn't really do that, but.

Jack: She doesn't make it. Mary is dispatched with a magi escort known as Joseph. Along their journey. While approaching Nazareth, a conflict made crossing too dangerous and Mary and Joseph were obligated to redirect in avoiding the conflict. They end up in Bethlehem, where Mary gives birth to the child that they named Jesus Christ. The sea people within this time, within the events of Mary evacuating, they also evacuate the entire Persian Gulf oasis and move to the Atlantic Ocean, where they establish their new home in Atlantis, aka as we now know, Elysium.

Cristina: Oh okay.

Jack: Where is that? Who the h*** knows? We just know the name. Both names, I suppose, but we don't. We know that there is a trail there, but it also goes so deep into the ocean that we have no technology that allows us to go that deep.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We've never been down there. Weirdly enough. There's a stone path leading from Dominion. Who the f*** knows how it was constructed long as f*** ago, before technology existed, as far as we know. Which is like a good argument for like. Yeah, they're down there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The fact that there's a stone road just straight into the f****** Bermuda Triangle in the depth of the ocean that we've never devised technology to go deep enough into just happens to be a stone path going until we can reach and then beyond. Sweet.

Cristina: Not sus at all.

Jack: Not sus at all. Just some s*** that's there. And then we're like, no, we've always been the most advanced thing. Like bro, then how the f*** did that get down there? Unless the water level has raised infinitely and like that was just dry land before.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: But like where the f*** did all the water come from then? Yeah, and if it's like a meteor, why didn't it destroy the planet? Simple. Okay. The Sea People extract Mount Kaaf, which is an access point and portal between Maya Egypt and the palace of Alcaraz. An anti magic barrier is established around Mount Athos to prevent elves and Elfame individuals from passage. Important. They're trying to protect themselves. Three additional Magi are sent to Mary to assist her in watching over Jesus and assure that he never reaches the Sea People. As well as suppress all knowledge of the Sea People, including the origins of Jesus himself. Now we're entering into more Recent times. The 30s.

Cristina: The 30s, okay, yeah.

Jack: Year 30ish. After Jesus began to be known by those listening to his message and those having visions of him. The Magi needed to begin a suppression effort before Jesus was exposes the truth problems. The Mangi communicate with two of Jesus's closest friends that later Jesus himself labels as f****** traitors, which are John and Peter. John is enlisted to create a false narrative of which he failed the first time. Which is where we got John's secret writings or whatever the h***. And Peter is enlisted to create the Catholic Church in the name of Jesus. Okay, Jesus was not down with this. Jesus was a freaking Jew. But they were like, yeah, yeah, Jesus wants us and the narrative will remain that way. They have successfully adjusted it so that the Catholic Church believes Jesus is the establisher of that and most of the world believes, okay, the Catholic Church is the only church Jesus has ever established.

Cristina: But who is. Whose plan is it for Jesus to die young? Is it Jesus? Is it the sea people? Is it something else?

Jack: So they come up with a plan. And the plan is basically to establish this church and shut Jesus the f*** up with murder. It seems it's. It was probably the same people.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: They were like, this kid's become a problem and we didn't want it to get to this, but d***. But also, you created a monster with a bunch of exaggerated powers and you offed him and all he did was come back.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So what? That's where the interesting part you're talking about immediately comes in if they're trying to add a control mechanism. Because if something goes wrong, then how do we stop it? Well, it's already out of your control because you killed him and he just popped up again.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: Not only was he far ahead of you in that he could just land in the Shadow Realm after you kill them to shut him the up, but he's also so intelligent and wields Shadow Realm powers that he somehow figured out how to build Shinto gates and walk right back.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: D***, bro. You guys created a monster. Yeah, they tried to solve it.

Cristina: They did. They thought they had. I'm sure they thought they figured everything out before actually making him like. Okay, we got.

Jack: No, I'm thinking this is actually where you're correct. And the lack of a third philosopher's stone was to avoid making him perfect because they hadn't figured it all out.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Because if they did winging it.

Cristina: But they were really curious. They're really, really.

Jack: Science is problematic.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Like Tom York's song Dreamer suggest. Science is going to be the f****** death of us and we're gonna dream beyond our control. And that could in theory be what Jesus is.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: A really like, come on. They actively refuse to complete it into perfection because what if s*** goes wrong and then instantaneously s*** went wrong.

Cristina: Yeah. It was probably way worse than they expected for something that's not even perfect.

Jack: Yo, the kid's not even born yet and now people just know where you live.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: D***, bro.

Cristina: Yeah. Because with just Mary, what they made was kind of crazy. At least compared to their evolution. Our evolution was ridiculous.

Jack: Yeah, it was fast. Fast.

Cristina: So of course the next step would be. Whoa.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah.

Cristina: A blink of an eye pretty much.

Jack: Which is what's happening with Jesus.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: The exponential growth, understanding and level up.

Cristina: This kid went through a million to what were we.

Jack: We're talking. Yeah, we're talk. Three billion years.

Cristina: Billions to millions, right?

Jack: Yeah. Then we come in from those that took the sea. People took billions. Then the primitive humans took millions. Then our humanity is only taken thousands. And then Jesus was 30 years before he became fully aware of his capacities.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It was like 30 years from billion. Yeah. From birth to. Oh, I got powers.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Was only 30 years.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then it's like, oh, get in contact with this friends. Get in contact with his. Everybody. Everybody close. Whoever the is around this m***********.

Cristina: The way everyone was dreaming about him, maybe he could also dream about them. Like, how did he know about the shadow Realm? I guess is my thinking.

Jack: Yeah. Nobody told him.

Cristina: No one told him.

Jack: But also we know that people who drink adrenochrome can hear the voices of creatures from the shadow realm. He is made of the shadow Realm. He is just in commute. They can't control it. He's just in communication with over there. As his abilities developed and grew and got complicated. He's just connecting and talking to these m************ over there.

Cristina: Yes. But we don't know if he has any connection to the fairy world.

Jack: We have no idea. As far as we know, he doesn't.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which luckily those restrictions were in place.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because that could have been even more problematic. If he has that level of power, then how do you stop him ever?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Oh, it's crazy.

Cristina: That's crazy. Okay.

Jack: Problems for days. 30 years, bro. That's it. 30 years. From billions to 30 years.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we established John, he's gonna start making lies. And we get Peter, he's also gonna start making lies. But he's gonna do it in an organized fashion. The guy writing, I've been with Jesus. And the guy like, Jesus told me to make this church. Okay. Additionally, in secrecy, two plans are established. One, we gotta kill Jesus. They did. Without knowing you kind of succeeded too well. And he just pops up again. Because he was also still connecting and discussing. He built these bridges and walked right back in.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Second, the Knights Templar are established in secrecy a hundred years after Jesus is born. And their entire job is to eradicate all information on Jesus Christ and push a new narrative about his existence. Now we're making leaps. The Six hundreds. Greek scientist Zosimos discovers the magnum opus within ruins along the coast of the Persian Gulf oasis. And in it are the instructions to creating the Philosopher's Stones.

Jack: Although unhappy that the sea people refused to share their technology with them, the Greek are obligated to Establish regular resource trades with the sea people via regular visits through Mount Athos.

Cristina: Yes. Where they get to see unicorns.

Jack: Yes. Which is actually where this began for us. 900s Vikings Discover the uses of adrenochrome and proceed to experiment, thus leading to the norse overpowered individuals. 1100s till the 1100s. Now the knights Templar become a publicly known group and their methods become ruthless as opposing information on Jesus Christ continues to be pushed by smaller groups. And presumably Jesus somewhere hiding amongst them himself.

Cristina: When do we get to. I don't know if it's. I guess after this. The Jesus attempt.

Jack: That's still getting there.

Cristina: Oh, wow. Okay.

Jack: Actually now is exactly when what you just mentioned comes in, which is the 1500s.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Rabbi Leo in the attic of the Old New Synagogue succeeds in making a golem named Joseph with abilities identify identical to that of Jesus Christ. One he could control and deactivate. But this golem could come in and out of the shadow realm.

Cristina: Maybe he was the better version of Jesus because he seems like he is what they wanted, something that they can control. And Jesus, this definitely was not that. And also everyone was dreaming about him. Like there's so much bad.

Jack: There's a lot wrong with Jesus.

Cristina: But this golem thing seems like exactly what they were aiming for and did not get. Well, they were way off the mark.

Jack: Presumably the idea of making Jesus was because we need him to be biological so that we can then alter ourselves to match whatever composition he has. Which you cannot do with this golem.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They'll never be able to do.

Cristina: No.

Jack: What the golem does. Yeah, they can control the golem, but they can't emulate the golem.

Cristina: Yeah, interesting.

Jack: With Jesus you have your own DNA.

Cristina: Yeah. And with the golem, he was created most likely from a shadow realm creature. Told this guy how to do it right. Or something like.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was instructions that he used. They, they did, they performed the weird. They had weird rituals to begin with. Yeah. And they began to hear the voice, presumably of a God.

Cristina: Question mark.

Jack: Something from the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now here's what's interesting about this. Here's what's very interesting about this. If you remember the sun gods, there is a traitor amongst them, Abraxas, who stole the data and dipped into the shadow realm. That happened way, way, way long ago, before the birth of Jesus by quite a time, thousands of years ahead. Maybe this same individual, which is one of these overpowered, immortal like ancient Egyptians.

Cristina: He'S into science, as we can tell.

Jack: Is who was talking.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To this individual. Alternatively, could have been Jesus himself.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's just something from the shadow realm. Talking to them doesn't mean it's a shadow creature. It's just something in the shadow realm. There's a direct connection with something because of their rituals.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they gave them the instructions on how to create this golem that then had the ability to come in and out of the shadow realm.

Cristina: And then something weird happened with that golem.

Jack: Yes, but that happens no time soon. Because after the golem's creation we skip forward to the 1760s.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Where a Greek merchant named Antonio Dracos is handed alicorn by a Russian named John, claiming to have gotten it from Mount Athos.

Cristina: What a wild adventure.

Jack: He goes on a crazy adventure where he just. People just find out about this thing. And a war breaks out between Russia and Turkey just trying to get it. Murder everywhere. People trying to get to this guy. He establishes a school in secrecy and get gathers together the most elite elite scholars to study this thing. And doesn't work out. Eventually he dies. But in.

Cristina: Even though it's supposed to keep people living forever or something like that, everyone that gets its hand, their hand on it somehow dies. Like it's kind of weird, but. Okay.

Jack: Now here's a thing. We're assuming that a unicorn is in fact a fairy and not a sea person experiment. Because what really is up with. Unless it's not a. Here's he would be the other argument. They do have the fruits. Maybe they're making a crap ton of experiments. Bro.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the unicorn is just some fairy magic sea person experiment.

Cristina: Yes. Because the fruits relate to the fairies somehow. Because the trees are called fairy trees, even though we don't know how they're related to the fairies. But. Yes.

Jack: Which is one of our main questions. How are the fairy trees made?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And your theory makes a lot of sense. Is it buried fairies? Which I think there's something. No, it can't be. No. Well, I don't know. Because you use the philosopher's stone plus the fruit to create people. But you don't need the fruit to create the philosopher's stone. So you can use a philosopher's stone that bends reality to perhaps kill a fairy, which should in theory not be able to die because you're bending reality. The philosopher's stone can kill a fairy.

Cristina: You think the philosopher's stone could kill the fairy?

Jack: I think it can make life, and I think it could take life.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: It is, as the magnum opus describes, a thing that allows you to do Whatever the h*** you want.

Cristina: Yeah. It doesn't mention fairy murder, does it?

Jack: No, but it breaks the laws of nature. And if nature suggests that fairies cannot die, then with a philosopher still can kill a fairy. Which would then create an interesting argument. If El got into the Forest of Shadows, where fairy trees all ready existed, and he was told about the Shadow Realm by Yalda, and he was. And he get. And Yalda gifted Susan the Shadow Realm. What was Yalda running from? Why did he disappear? Second, did Yalda make the Forest of Shadows?

Cristina: You're thinking he killed some fairies?

Jack: I'm thinking killed fairies. I'm thinking Yalda has a Philosopher's Stone that he made in the Shadow Realm?

Cristina: I don't know, because I.

Jack: When Sizzen, the son of Yalda, considered the God of Death. Yeah, why?

Cristina: Why? Oh, okay.

Jack: Who died?

Cristina: Did fairies die in the Shadow Realm?

Jack: In the fairies die, how was the stone made? How's the stone is the original philosopher's stone made out of a mass grave of djinn.

Cristina: Wait, the original as in atom or. You're saying there's no.

Jack: There's one before him that Yalda had billions of years before even L existed?

Cristina: That made the sea People?

Jack: No. Well, maybe.

Cristina: Well, that was the first thing he did. He made human. I mean, he made. Or the Earth Realm, and then he messed with.

Jack: Oh, checks out, doesn't it? Oh, yeah, that makes perfect sense, actually. So he already had one, and then he killed fairies with it? Most likely. And then made the forest, and then came and made the sea People with this primitive, ancient, outdated version of a philosopher's stone.

Cristina: Okay, maybe.

Jack: Holy maybe.

Cristina: I don't know, but it sounds right.

Jack: Whoa.

Cristina: It matches everything.

Jack: Yeah. If we were to follow a pattern, then yes. You made life with the Philosopher Stone.

Cristina: That seems like how it's done. Yeah.

Jack: Interesting. Which, in theory, could be how he killed fairies and thus made the Forest of Shadows.

Cristina: But he's not the one Yelda Yalda.

Jack: Made the Forest of Shadows, but he's.

Cristina: Is he the one that's called the God of Death?

Jack: No, Susan is. Okay, but Susan didn't make the Force of Shadows. He was also curious about it. But he was handed this by his father, and everybody knew that guy, so presumably they were both referred to as the God of Death. He's the son of the God of Death.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: And since he's in charge now, he's also the God of Death.

Cristina: Okay, yes, that makes sense.

Jack: But his father is the one who sacrificed many jinn, hence earning a name the God of Death. And Then he created this primitive philosopher's stone. And then he used that philosopher's stone to kill fairies and created the Forest of Shadows. And then that. Maybe that allowed him to create Earthrealm as well. Yeah, maybe the killing fairies in the killing fairies, burying them not only brought the tree, but it created some other thing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Elsewhere. That he then used to create Earth Realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then he went to Earth Realm to mess with. Was there using the philosopher's stone that he used to kill the fairies. And then he made the sea people. The sea people made the philosopher stones that allowed them to make us.

Cristina: Because how did they get it? Yes. I feel like there is something there. I feel like that's right.

Jack: I can look into that. But how? The. The problem is, the further back we.

Cristina: Go, the less information we have, the.

Jack: Less somebody needed to mention loosely, something. Because now we're getting to beyond any. Anything written beyond any. Like this is just a line or a sentence or a picture at this point.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like that's far, far back. Of course, narratives do make it through time, so who knows? 1820s, two Greek record keepers also have somehow come in contact with Alicorn and claim it also came from Mount Athos. 1880, shortly before the Old New Synagogue is renovated, three Magi visit and leave shortly thereafter. The golem is then reported missing. Another weird question. They showed up with six boxes.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they left with six boxes. Not big boxes.

Cristina: Buried the boxes.

Jack: And then they buried the boxes in a weird formation and dipped.

Cristina: Yes, except it doesn't make sense comparing the size of the golem and the boxes. Right.

Jack: No, it makes absolutely no sense. The boxes were absolutely tiny. They're about a square foot each. The golem was f****** huge. It was like 20ft tall.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Of course there's a connection, but I don't know what it is.

Jack: Some things are just weird questions.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: 1984, the Tanker War begins over the Persian Gulf. Disguises a trade route war secretly attempting to take ownership of the waters over the palace of Alcaraz at the Persian Gulf oasis. And one of the Most recent events, 2001. An unknown group uses the United States government to organize the collapse of the World Trade center in an attempt to create a philosopher's stone by sacrificing over 2,000 thousand modern day humans.

Cristina: Which would make a nice philosopher stone.

Jack: Which would make a pretty nice philosopher stone. That brings us essentially to the modern day.

Cristina: Yep. So there's still philosopher's stones being made? Maybe.

Jack: Yes. Well, there's. Yes, likely there's another example of a possible attempt to create the philosopher's stone. And that's the bomb dropped on Hiroshima. Allegedly dropped on Hiroshima. And then there's. I don't have any clue. That's a really good question.

Cristina: It's a hundred and 40,000 people.

Jack: 140,000 modern humans. D***. Okay, so here are our arguments for this. These. The contrast between these two situations. You go ahead and you bomb a hundred thousand modern day humans, you sacrifice them and you get one philosopher's stone. Right? Mad sacrifice. You get one philosopher. So that's a pretty hefty philosopher. So but when we're talking about the World Trade center, we're talking about elites, right? Maybe a lot of those people had access to adrenochrome. So we're talking about beyond the modern. We're sacrificing enhanced modern day humans. So with less you get more done. Would that make sense? Because they all got ichor.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so you don't need a hundred thousand. So the argument is, we're over here talking about philosopher stones, but how many are there by now? If all of these major events are the creation of another one, then there are ton. Bare minimum dozens.

Cristina: But how important is that to them when they also have, like we said, ichor and the other ones very different.

Jack: Because there are the people who are addicted to these substances and must rely on them. And the clever individuals who create the philosopher's stone don't have the addiction and can still have all the benefits as well as do much more. Somebody on adrenochrome cannot create life. Somebody with a philosopher's stone can.

Cristina: But why are they making life? Or that's not their goal? The people that are doing.

Jack: No, there's just way more abilities. You're thinking way too narrowly. There's way more ability to philosopher's stone. The point isn't literally making life. It's the fact that the philosopher's stone can do way more by miles than adrenochrome can. And in theory, a philosopher's stone will allow you passage into the shadow realm without you having to die. Which then brings up another interesting question. Did the Jews have a philosopher's stone? Thus Joseph the Golem was possible. Were there other parts involved there that we're not aware of? Well, no, because then they themselves would have been able to answer the.

Cristina: Yeah, shadow realm.

Jack: No, then they didn't. That means that more than so wow. Either way, right? Because it took the sea people how long first billions of years for a yalda to get a philosopher's Stone. Then millions of years for the sea people to get philosopher stones. Then just f****** no time. We just. Thousands of years. Boom. We got philosopher stones. Now we could just make them casually. We figured it out.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Six hundreds. Zosimos finds the instructions to do it. Now in modern day, we just casually sacrifice mass groups of people and make philosopher stones all the time. 9, 11, Hiroshima. Whatever the h*** is happening in Iraq and Iran, Afghanistan. All these places that we're just mass killing for the people who don't have the instructions on how to make philosopher's stones. Mass breeding grounds for adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes. There's a lot going on.

Jack: Shortcuts.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If we don't get the adrenochrome, we're gonna figure it out anyways. F*** it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: D***.

Cristina: Like the island.

Jack: And that catches us up to the modern day. That's a nice summary of what's happening. And there are still questions. But what's interesting here is one. Jesus was. There's probably no third philosopher's stone in the making of Jesus. Maybe the intention was to limit him and he's still out of control.

Cristina: Yeah, that sounds like it.

Jack: That's interesting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Second, that's clever. I didn't think about Yalda having his own philosopher's stone, but it makes sense.

Cristina: Makes sense.

Jack: Why are there trees connecting two realms? Unless those trees were part of the making of the other realm. It was just two realms for who knows how long. And Yalda sacrificed a bunch of his own. Had overpowered abilities because of the stone he got from it. Killed some fairies with it. Made the forest. The forest somehow gapped into another bubble dimension. And he established Earthrealm in that he.

Cristina: Looks like a God because of all that. Which makes me wonder about Meb. What's her name?

Jack: Mab.

Cristina: Mab. Like what is she doing things like this before any of this happened? Like.

Jack: Like how did she create. Yeah. That's another thing. The further back in time in our own realm, we go the fuzzier. Because where are we getting the data from?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then as soon as we even like modern day, we just think about the shadow realm. Our best examples are very, very, very recent of creatures that come through in mass events. Or it just gets fuzzy. Quick. Quick.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then we have nothing on elv. So there's a lot of question marks surrounding a lot of this. We don't know a crap ton.

Cristina: No. But that's all we do know.

Jack: That's all we do know.

Cristina: And that's a lot.

Jack: That's as it stands. So that's the summary for anybody. I think I'll call it the summary because it's more helpful.

Cristina: What were you gonna call it before?

Jack: As it stands.

Cristina: Well, as it sounds okay, maybe it's.

Jack: As it stands, the summary.

Cristina: Is that too complicated?

Jack: I don't know. I mean, not too complicated, but too long, you mean?

Cristina: Yes. Or how do you. What about the summary? As it stands.

Jack: Oh, yeah, the summary as it stands. Fair enough. Whatever. Some variant of those.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Anyways, that's for anybody new strolling through who wanted to not have to go through a thousand million episodes just like. Just like 15 to 20 episodes of this crap right now. Just kind of piecing this mess together. So here is a solution for that. And now you don't have to go back through all those hours and hours. You should if you want details. There's so many details missing. So much crap is missing. And like how the Greek get involved and all of their creatures and the Norse and all of their creatures and the details about these Greek record keepers and all the crap that happened around Antonio Drive. That's probably one of the most interesting messes. Did you want real detail? Antonio, Draco and the entire clusterfuck of s*** that happened around that guy, the schools he established, the people that died around him, the people that tried time to get to him, all of the above. Anyways, if you guys come up with anything, find anything, you do research and you have tips to give us or directions to send us to find more information, let us know. Yes, you can let us know on all our socials at just Convopod. That's on X, on TikTok, on Instagram, on Facebook, wherever.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe. Right. And review the show and tell people about the show.

Jack: Word of mouth is very important. Tell everybody. Because we're uncovering the truth in this absurd mess of crap.

Cristina: Absurd. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: Sam.

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July 15, 2023

Rambling 234: The Sound of Freedom

July 15, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why is there such a strong push to suppress the documentary The Sound of Freedom? What is it that is so important to keep hidden? And how does this connect back to the ongoing narrative relative to child molestation and predatory behavior? The duo unpack the suppression effort for The Sound of Freedom and in doing so come across a single term that re-frames the entire narrative up to this point.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

The Sound of Freedom
JP Morgan Deleted Emails
Epstein’s Island
Human Trafficking
Blood Rituals and Organ Consumption
The Crucifixion
Adrenochrome
Ambrosia
Nectar
Ichor

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I. I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And today we have some horrible things to discuss because United States of America is sinking into some kind of horrific thing lately. So let's unpack these baffling, quite, quite literally, extremely baffling scenarios that we're dealing with right now and then try to find out why the f*** the case might be.

Cristina: Is it just in America or are we just talking about America?

Jack: Talking about America. I don't know necessarily. Yeah, I have no idea. Okay, well, any case, what specifically what we're talking about? Yes, this is a hundred percent Justin America. Okay, so we're gonna begin by mentioning that there's the film, the Sound of Freedom that everybody should go and f****** watch at this point. The suppression effort that's happening to not put this movie in front of the world tells me, everybody, I don't give a f*** who you are, go watch the movie. Obviously, don't take your f****** children. That's weird. That's problematic. Adults, anybody 16 or older, let's say go get informed, go watch this film. Because if elite people don't want you to see it, it's probably something you should know about.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Simple. The logic is simple. If people with the power don't want the little guy to see it, you should probably go watch it before it disappears.

Cristina: Think they could have. They could do that?

Jack: I don't know, man. They're doing everything in their power to suppress it. So we'll begin by saying people who have tried to watch this have experienced incredibly. Have experienced incredibly weird things in theaters. So they go to watch the Sound of Freedom. By the way, this is a movie produced by Mel Gibson. Famous actors, famous directors, just a whole thing. Documentary about human trafficking. Mel Gibson's name slapped all over this. Now people go to watch this in theaters and the movie, they get told, oh no, it's not working. We'll give you tickets to go watch something else. They go watch it in theaters and dac, only for that film is broken. They go watch it in theaters and the movie glitches and loops over a certain part, not continuing the film, oh no, it's broken. We can give you tickets to go watch another one. People go watch this movie in theaters, their tickets get canceled and say, oh, something messed up in the theater. We refunded you. The money, you can use the credit for something else. People go watch this movie in theater, it says it's sold out. They get inside, there's nobody but them.

Cristina: That's creepy.

Jack: All of this is weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Very, very, very weird. Consistently. We are talking go on Instagram. You guys don't have to take my word for any of this. You guys do not have to take over for any of this. Go on Instagram, go on Facebook, go on Twitter. TikTok is preferred because that's the only thing actively not being censored. 20. Go to TikTok and just type in the Sound of Freedom and you're gonna see that there is a absurdly consistent amount, 200, 300, 400 thousands of these videos happening all the time. Why? Who the f*** knows? Somebody doesn't want you to watch this movie a lot, which means you should probably be watching this movie a lot. The fact that somebody doesn't want you to see it tells you more than you need to know. But let's veer off in a different direction for a moment. We know that recently, JP Morgan deleted 47 million emails connected to the Jeffrey Epstein case that included bank statements and visitor lists.

Cristina: Okay. We talked about this in the last.

Jack: Podcast, in a couple of podcasts recently. Yes. And just. Oopsie. Oopsie. We deleted all the information that had the names of all the people who visited that island. Oopsie. We, J.P. morgan. Oopsie. Keep in mind, the entirety didn't disappear at JP Morgan's. A s*** ton of it did. They gave in what was left. And. Oh, my God. When it's in the hands of the United States government's judicial system, the rest of it disappeared. Oh, no. What are the odds of this? It's crazy. What a crazy coincidence.

Cristina: Weird south park bank situation.

Jack: Yep. And it's gone.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: It's like, okay, now somebody claims victimhood towards a giant company for whatever reason. You, as a giant company, we're in America. You refute the living f*** out of it. These companies don't give a f*** about people. They refute the living s*** out of anything to keep their money, especially when it's $290 million. But JP Morgan was absolutely fine with a settlement for $290 million for the victims of Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah, they're gonna pay them off. They're absolutely okay with doing this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're just gonna settle and pay off all the victims because you're good people. This is why they're doing it. They're doing it because they're good. People. Oh, Jeffrey Epstein did these things? Oh, yeah, he's connected. He was banking with us. Oh. You know, we were vaguely connected without knowing. Without knowing keywords here. Yeah, sure. Look, we're gonna totally. As a good hearted company in the United States of America, like always happens with big companies like us. We're actively just gonna give you $290 million to these victims. Now we can prove big pharma has created the opioid crisis. We can connect directly to them every f****** thing that has happened. Without a doubt. We took them to court, presented them with this s***, and they still, still fought to not settle with irrefutable proof. They were still like, f*** that s***. This money is ours. They did the little sketchy s***, fired a bunch of people with bonuses intentionally so they can't take hits. They did it everything under the sun to not lose money.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But J.P. morgan, not only have they always been sketchy as f*** and have hella losses, but no, no, no. Now we're suddenly good hearted.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now we're good guys. And we're gonna give you way more money. Way more money. Take it all. We're good for it. We apologize for Epstein's involvement. We didn't know Here. A bunch of money.

Cristina: Mm. What do you think is happening?

Jack: I don't know. But this very believable so far. Totally. I believe everything I'm being told about this. The government just happened to delete the rest of it. J.P. morgan happened to the accidents and then. Glad to pay. We're glad to pay, of course. Totally. This doesn't seem absolutely. Like some sort of Twilight Zone version of reality right now. This isn't. This totally what we've seen always. This is always what happens, right? This is always what happens, right? The people own up. All these giant mega super corporations always own up. This is exactly how it always goes, right? Am I wrong? Am I always crazy here? Anyways, anyways, gladly. They go ahead and say they're gonna settle for a 290 million dollar settlement. Get the out of here. Because of the relationship that was with.

Cristina: Epstein that they didn't know about.

Jack: They didn't know about.

Cristina: They're so innocent.

Jack: Super innocent. But you know what? We. We apologize for the involvement in here. But. But the most important thing about this is that these emails contained the depth of the relationship that they had with Epstein. How he was allegedly funneling money through them with them, and the listings of the people who paid to go through the. To the island that went through J.P. morgan.

Cristina: He was.

Jack: Yeah. He needed to confirm Real payment. Trust. You're gonna drop off a briefcase of money and I'll leave here alive. Get the out of here. That money better have a paper trail.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He was smart about it.

Cristina: But the bank was like. Though.

Jack: The bank was like, no, you know what? So you know, innocents are innocent. They had no stake in this. It just so happened that these emails were. Somebody fell over and pressed a button and whoops. Exactly. The ones that needed to be seen got deleted. Whoops.

Cristina: How many of those people were involved on the island?

Jack: Huh?

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: And how many people in the government after they got whatever the f*** was left and the rest. Like, what? What? But whatever. Whatever. What we're being told is totally what happened. Jeffrey Epstein totally committed suicide in prison immediately after he got there because he felt guilty. You know? That's what happened. He felt so guilty about the situation that he thought it was necessary for him to kill himself. What I do is so horrible. Now that I'm in prison. I've seen the error of my ways. I will kill myself because I don't deserve to continue living. It's not that people are scared that I'm a dude. That they're clearly gonna ask me who was there. And I will rat people out for a plea because I'm a die in this hole. So you give me a plea deal of any kind. I'm taking whatever the f****** rat. I'm Tekashi69ing the f*** out of here. It wasn't that he would totally not do that. Epstein. Nah. He's a man of honor. He killed himself out of honor.

Cristina: That's what happened.

Jack: So far so good. Right? Okay. We're following this narrative. It's on point. Everything we've been told is absolutely true.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So sound the freedom happens. This film about human trafficking somehow minorly related. You know, Jeffrey Epstein had some human trafficking miners landing on the island that were getting shafted by rich adults. Whatever. Whatever. Nobody was connected to this man. He did it alone. And the people who showed up on his island. Ghosts. They weren't even real people. Aliens arrived and f***** kids. That's totally what happened here. Nobody was involved on that island. Anyways, this movie comes around. And let's be real. Hollywood is well known for its activism. They want to stand up for gay rights. Everybody's going to do the thing Covid happens. Everybody's going to sing a song together about climate change. We're going to support all the things and support everything that has to do with everything. Because it's about people. Hollywood is about taking Care of people. Hollywood is about Black Lives Matter. It's about inclusivity. It's about trans people.

Cristina: It's about what's popular right now. What sad thing is popular.

Jack: What sad thing is popular? It's about what issue is pressing.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I don't know why you're mocking them. It's about what issue is pressing. These are honest people, true people. Come the sound of freedom and not a f****** peep. Nope. Not one celebrity is pushing this one. I wonder why. What are the odds. I wonder what's happening that they. Oh, no, I can't. This is bad.

Cristina: Celebrities who are against trafficking minors. What are those celebrities saying?

Jack: Nothing. Because now there's a movie showing where, when and how. So even if they were against it publicly, if the camera is aiming towards somewhere you have clearly been, suddenly, oh, f***. Oh, snap. Indeed, only the celebrities that are currently at this moment, outspoken are the ones that can be trusted. Dana White publicly stated, I will give everybody in my company who wants to see this film a ticket to go see it for free. And I advise every other company to do the same thing.

Cristina: There's a burnt actor, though, that supposedly he cares about this topic. And I can't remember his name. The guy from the seven week show. Michael Kelso.

Jack: Ashton Kutcher.

Cristina: Ashton Kutcher. Did he say anything?

Jack: Have you seen him say anything?

Cristina: No, I haven't.

Jack: Then I don't know. I haven't heard him say anything either.

Cristina: Oh, no.

Jack: The fact that this not being publicized like, I'm giving you what I know.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And as of now, nobody's bringing attention to themselves about this.

Cristina: Okay, simple.

Jack: Now, how is that possible? How is it possible that Hollywood, that's so obsessed with all the current issues in the world get presented with the. This thing? And they're like, nah, we got other important things to talk about. You mean telling. You're telling me that the trafficking of children for sex is not some pressing issue. You guys are just like, nah, but okay, whatever. Totally. There's nothing wrong here. So this movie gets made and it gets, you know, Mel Gibson's trying to do his thing, push it wherever he can, but nobody's picking it up. So he takes it to the people who support all the pressing issues. He goes straight to the most publicly stated place ever, Netflix. And Netflix is like, nah, psych, bro. We do documentaries. We care about all the issues. We want to fight all the bad things. Not that one, though. All the other things. The same company that gladly put little kids, little girls half naked on their screen. Don't want a film about little kids naked getting f***** in the real world and how we can stop it. Oh, there's a pattern here. Looks like a lot of elite people aren't touching this discussion. They're staying specifically away from any relation to something that might expose something. Everybody in power.

Cristina: Everyone's a pedophile.

Jack: Well, we've established this before. Yeah, something about power equals children. Or something about children equals power. There's something going on.

Cristina: Disturbing.

Jack: Disturbing. As news media outlets are either not talking about it at all or are actively trying to slander it and toss it into a conspiracy theory realm.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, okay, you're saying that it's Q. I don't know how related relating that to it.

Jack: Well, not literally to QAnon, but saying it's a QAnon esque type of scenario.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And again, why aren't you guys, the people about doing what's right about LGBT rights and about. But no, because now we got people marching down the street saying, we're here, we're queer, we're coming for your children. And people passing laws. California. I don't know what the f*** is happening with California, but California, who's passing laws to kidnap kids from their families, put them into foster care, chop their dicks off and plant some t****** on them, put puberty blockers on everybody to keep them young. Huh?

Cristina: What is happening over there?

Jack: We know people disappear in the foster system all the time. They just vanish. So you're taking kids from their parents legally, putting them into foster care legally, and then giving them puberty blockers to keep them children legally, and then they disappear in these systems legally to where? Another island?

Cristina: You think there's another island?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: There should be a backup island, right? I don't know.

Jack: It's just where the. What's the point of all of this? And why is California the center of kid trafficking? Why are Californian politicians so excited to take children and show them penises and show them drag queens and show them vaginas and read them books about giving other people oral and a*** and don't want their parents to know? Because obviously if the parents know, parents are. Put a f****** stop to that s***. So we pass them laws so the parents can't be informed, then we're not going to get in trouble for it. And we pass some laws that we can just take the kids from the parents and put them into foster care. And we pass some laws that we can give these kids purity blockers which will keep them young and don't allow them to go through puberty. What the f***? California.

Cristina: Maybe they're in a new island. They can't actually take another island.

Jack: They're the new island. I guess. I guess the system is. I mean, we know the United States is a terrorist country, but this is a whole other f****** level.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Like we're you. We're not even terrorists. We're just human traffic country. That's where we're f****** headed with this s***. We couldn't just be cowboys. We got a f****** rape.

Cristina: All the kids probably doing that.

Jack: We were, but illegally. Now we just pass. We're legislating to make it so we can just do it in front of people.

Cristina: For showing the truth. With the kids in the cages. He let us know that that's what we're about. And now they're like, you guys know already. So let's be public about it.

Jack: Yeah, we're going to be public about it. You guys can't do anything about it. We run the system.

Cristina: It's horrible.

Jack: Yeah, it's pretty up. What's going on. Now, recently, which we also talked about, this politician is at a meeting at a political hearing and he is talking about human trafficking of children for organ. For organ sales. For sex trafficking.

Cristina: Adrenochrome.

Jack: No, for satanic rituals and for things like. Adrenochrome. Yeah, for things of that nature. Our organ harvesting. And like this man says this out loud, publicly, live, so it couldn't be edited. It probably got edited afterwards. And lies spread like wildfire. But the live full, uncut version could still be found. And this man falls out of his 15th story window that he has lived out for 10 years. Falls out of the story, two days later, dies at the bottom while smoking. He goes smoke every f****** day. Somehow, two days later, it's just. That's. That's the one time he slipped or something. Sorry. Whoops. Huh?

Cristina: It was a heart attack or something.

Jack: I mean, I guess he. Yeah, he probably had a. That's what they said, he had a heart attack.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But he was smoking out the window and you fell to his death is the point. And what a coincidence. You know, just get. Just by chance. Just by chance, you know, it was just smoking. It was. He does it every day. It was gonna happen eventually. Of course it's gonna happen eventually. So you follow this logic and you dig a little while investigating, you type in some keywords here and there and you come across Mel Gibson again. You come across Mel Gibson in the past. Mel Gibson talking about a recent Interaction he had at a celebrity gathering in a remote location. They were recording. This was the after party. There's a hanging out and things got a little strange. Vibe Wise knew something was up. He knew something was up. And he was offered some things that were odd. He was offered, you know, he didn't say children. He had no moments like kids. But there were some young girls. Could have been 18. He doesn't know.

Cristina: He doesn't know.

Jack: I'm not into that. They're absolutely too young for me. I'm not into that. Man of God, Christian guys. Like, I'm not into. I'm not doing that.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Could have been 18 for all he knows. He said they look exceptionally young, but, you know, there's a bunch of exceptionally young 18 year olds. That's a whole market in the p*** industry. So whatever. I'm not into that. You guys do what you gotta do. But the vibe was off and he was a little concerned. But also they were offering the VIP drink. The VIP drink. It was like, I don't like anything I am hearing right now. And I absolutely. You offered me this after I said no to that? This does not sound right. I don't know what's in that, but I'm not taking that because I said no to this and that made you offer me that. I don't care how VIP that is.

Cristina: What do you think is the VIP drink?

Jack: I don't know. What do you think the VIP drink is?

Cristina: Adrenochrome.

Jack: Adrenochrome. But yeah. So this is the situation. He gets offered that thing, and in the same kind of interview discussion he's having, he states that this is so f****** weird and so strange that he's gonna go out of his way to investigate this. But he knows that even so much as beginning this path, they will go out of his way to destroy his life.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Couple of years later, Mel Gibson's life starts to fall apart. They're calling him crazy. The media goes out of its way to only show, like they did the Trump videos, only of him intentionally edited, so he looks like he's going crazy at random moments, having random outbursts at random moments. They went out of their way to destroy his reputation. So he is not a credible person. But we know that the media did that with Trump, because now the full length version of all these videos are showing up. And it turns out nothing that the media said about Trump was correct. All of it was always fabricated. Which, by the way, to the left are, what are you guys gonna do now that you can See the lie?

Cristina: Well, they succeeded when they needed to.

Jack: Yeah. Now you can't do s*** about it. Now, as you guys see the line, we're like, wow, we should have voted. You should have thought harder, too. But whatever you ate, whatever they fed you, it's the same as a headline. They headlined you with video.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They just showed you the headline of the video. That's it. Only caught these people in mass. Important detail with the Mel Gibson thing. The thing he set out to make seems to be the Sound of Freedom.

Cristina: Okay, right.

Jack: Sound of Freedom. One of the creators mentioned something very, very, very specific. He said what the politician said, these kids aren't just being taken for sex and organ harvesting. These kids are being taken for weird, satanic, diabolical rituals. And he specifically said what the politician said for adrenochrome. But when the reporter asks, adrenochrome, isn't that just some conspiracy? He responds, no. And it even has a street name so that it could bypass people like you who fall for that ambrosia.

Cristina: He just shares like that.

Jack: Shares ambrosia. I've heard this before.

Cristina: How?

Jack: But I did not. I don't know.

Cristina: That's so weird.

Jack: I've heard the word before. I don't know what the f*** it was, but I've heard the word before. I know what the word was. The word isn't necessarily related to adrenochrome. Again, it's a slang for this thing. But there is. Ambrosia just means food.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: But that's how you heard it then.

Jack: Yeah, obviously. Okay, so I've heard the word before. It's been used. And I. I've heard the word before, but I've never heard it expressed as one, who the f*** says ambrosia instead of just food? And two, why would anybody conclude adrenochrome when you hear the word ambrosia? So in either case, it's just like. Okay. Just some weird word that means nothing.

Cristina: I'm glad you didn't say pizza.

Jack: Weird. Right. But I think that's referring to the rituals or the organ harvesting. One or the other.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think these are code words for real things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But ambrosia, I go ahead and I. You know, Freemason's library type of s***. We dig deep, deep. We got all the things. We just need the beginning. All the information that has ever existed is there because they got it probably from Atlanteans or some s***. I don't know. It's there, all of it. So we go ahead and we start looking and ambrosia. Let's unpack first. Again, street name for adrenochrome. That is actually confirmable. But there are a couple of versions of this all called ambrosia that are all more or less the same thing. There are different versions of adrenochrome.

Cristina: I don't understand what you mean exactly. What are you talking about?

Jack: Adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yeah, but, like, what do you mean by that?

Jack: That there's different versions of it?

Cristina: What does that mean? What does different versions of adrenochrome mean?

Jack: Oh, obviously I'm gonna explain that. I will get there when time is necessary. But let's follow the origin, which is gonna answer a surprising amount of questions we did not know we should have been asking. Okay, so the first appearance of the word ambrosia goes way back. We're talking before Jesus.

Cristina: Okay, I thought you go straight to the Bible.

Jack: No, this predates the Bible by quite a bit.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Ambrosia is quite specifically the food that the Greek gods used to eat. They used to have ambrosia with nectar. Nectar being the liquid, ambrosia being the food.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now let us establish that children are taken for organ harvesting and blood rituals. The ambrosia and the nectar.

Cristina: So it's not just about adrenochrome.

Jack: It is. Both of those things fall under adrenochrome. Okay, but that's not even where it gets spicy.

Cristina: Okay, so that sounds pretty spicy, but.

Jack: Okay, let's find out what ambrosia does. If a mortal were to consume ambrosia, a mortal would then be granted youth immortality and, wait for it, special abilities that. Equal to a demigod. Ah, so familiar. Interesting enough. The same thing would occur if you had the nectar of the gods.

Cristina: The same exact thing.

Jack: The same exact thing oftentimes referred to as the elixir of life, which we've all heard in many iterations. Yeah, all kinds of.

Cristina: But who knew?

Jack: It just meant detector and adreno and the ambrosia, which are just two different versions of adrenochrome.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The plot thickens. But let's talk about the nectar. Simple. Just for information sake. It's always closely related to ambrosia, always alongside of it. Because it is the drink. Keep in mind the implications here suggest that human sacrifices must be made in order for the Greek gods to have eaten at all. Just. Okay, that is the obvious conclusion to make here.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now, this food was forbidden for mortals because you're not allowed to become a God. You'd be punished.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If you consumed children, the gods Would kill you for trying to be one of them.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah, that makes sense.

Jack: It makes sense. It's a sin, essentially.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: For mortals to do this, but it's.

Cristina: Absolutely fine for the gods.

Jack: For the gods. Now let us move back about. Not back. Let us move forward about 3,000 years and this time go straight to the Bible.

Cristina: Already thinking about it.

Jack: Jehovah was totally down with telling a dude to do what to his son. Right When a bunch of people weren't obeying God. God was absolutely fine with telling the angel of death to go fetch who.

Cristina: The babies babies were for him.

Jack: It's like, I'll eat your kids. Whatever, dude.

Cristina: Yeah, that's what I thought straight up. Like, that was the first thought. I wasn't even thinking about that guy and his child. I was like, these babies?

Jack: Nah. I thought, it's all just lines up real quick.

Cristina: What kind of person or God, I guess. Let's get the babies.

Jack: Yeah. Interesting enough.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: This lines up so perfectly with the eye. And I don't know how the. We didn't connect those dots before. Like, obviously. Obviously. I don't know why we needed this piece to connect that. And then suddenly like, oh, no, duh, duh.

Cristina: They all sound the same.

Jack: All these gods all the same s***. But what do we know about adrenochrome? And what do we know about the gods? They can either use. We didn't even know they can use the adrenochrome. We only knew they could use the fear. Yeah, but it wasn't even the actual way we thought about it because a lot of the time that's for the people from the shadow realm. The ones from this side need the adrenochrome. Of course the ones from the other side use a fear. We were f***** up in how we were thinking about the gods. The gods don't need the fear. That doesn't make any f****** sense. You need the fear if you're coming from the shadow realm. Only the ones from the shadow realm need the fear. We were wrong. Wrong, huh? A hundred percent of the time. In order to sustain their power. On this end, it was not fear.

Cristina: It's adrenochrome.

Jack: It was adrenochrome the whole f****** time. It's been in the Bible. It's been in f****** ancient Greek texts. It's in the f****** Torah. It's every. It's in all of it. It's in all of it. It's mentioned so f****** often. It's everywhere. The kids must die in order for the power to exist.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Something about purity. The purity of it. Something. Some f****** thing. It's always been the case.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now let us dive a little deeper. Those who consume ambrosia have a liquid in their body that runs through their veins that is not blood anymore. It's called ichor. That's what courses through their veins. Additionally, ichor is the natural blood of the gods.

Cristina: That's from the same stories.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Gods. Greek gods have ichor in their body. And people who consume adrenochrome also no longer have blood and then have ichor in their bodies. Now, interesting details about this ichor. From gods, I guess. From mortals who've taken it as well. Because now they're demigods. They. It's. It's toxic and absolutely deadly to mortals. It will. One shot a mortal. Okay, not the important detail. If you give ichor to a mortal that has already died, you can bring them back to life. That sounds very familiar.

Cristina: Jesus.

Jack: Not just Jesus. Say the word. Say the word.

Cristina: You gotta give me a head.

Jack: There's one creature that you need to drink their blood, and then you come back.

Cristina: Uniforms.

Jack: No.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Vampires.

Cristina: Vampires. Duh.

Jack: Duh.

Cristina: Duh.

Jack: Vampires.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. Thinking of Jesus as a vampire because.

Jack: He'S the first vampire.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because of adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes. Vampires. Duh. Okay.

Jack: Jesus is dead. They don't give Jesus adrenochrome. He was still a dude. He could die.

Cristina: It gave them his blood.

Jack: Ichor. And he came back to life.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And now he seeks adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To sustain the state. That is no different than had he just had a dream of drone.

Cristina: Because he can live forever, but now.

Jack: He can live forever. Yes.

Cristina: Yes. The problem is still. Of losing your mind.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: About it.

Jack: Yes. Yes.

Cristina: That could be a reason why they needed to kill Epstein. Also, besides the many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many reasons to do it. Like, without any supply, he would eventually.

Jack: Epstein's not dead.

Cristina: Oh, you think? Wait. No.

Jack: If Epstein dies in the prison, then we got proof he's dead. We can take him now, guys. But he's already been dealing with the children. It's either only a matter of time before he comes back, or you just take him somewhere to give him the other thing. We didn't know there was something you can give people to bring them back from the f****** dead. We just knew that if you had adrenochrome, you don't really die. You morph and then just come back up. But if you're actually f****** dead, we have the f****** way to bring you back. You don't need adrenochrome. There is a different version of adrenochrome. Ichor. If you're dead, we can give that to you. It does everything adrenochrome does, and it'll bring you back from the dead.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: Epstein didn't need to kill himself. He probably did. Epstein probably killed himself? Let's be real. Epstein probably killed himself anew. If I land in f****** prison, I'm just gonna off myself. You guys publicize the s*** out of that. Make me disappear, and then f****** give me this s***. And we're good.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: He sold adrenochrome. At no moment are we to believe he necessarily took adrenochrome. There's nothing to tell us he did. He was the merchant. You don't consume your own supply. Oh, street rules. We could prove he was dead. There was a lot of proof he was dead. That was an important detail. That was necessary detail.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then we just dispose of him. Of course. Questions we didn't even f****** consider.

Cristina: What? Oh, my gosh. Wow. I didn't know this was even more complicated. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: It just gets so deep now. Fascinating bits of detail. If Jesus is our first actual case that isn't a God because gods went out of their way, but it was known about. Enough to have written in that mortals can be brought back by would mean that although we have no examples of it written down and no lore about it, Jesus must not have been the first. Okay, he's just the first one on record. And also what makes him important is he's the first Atlantean, the first Persian Gulf oasis civilian, the first sea person to have, at least on record, taken a version of the now blanket term adrenochrome, which can either be the nectar, ambrosia, or ichor. And knowing that ambrosia and nectar aren't gonna do s*** to somebody dead by process of elimination, we can actually have him die on the f****** cross and still have him come back later. Both statements be true because of ichor. See, everything in the Bible could be true because of ichor. He did get crucified. He did f****** die. But he also got betrayed by his own people because there was something off about this kid that was alluring people towards this place that we need to f****** hide. So send the kid out. He's not born yet. He's gonna be born somewhere, and he's never gonna see our new home. Nobody can have visions of him in our new home. After he's born. Bring the moment. Kid lives a life confused about who he is. Kind of gets an idea, associates himself with the wrong person. He thinks I'm the son of this guy because I'm overpowered and so is he. And whatever the case might be. Yes, starts preaching that word. Maybe he's been manipulated by Jehovah of Dark the whole time.

Cristina: Mm, probably.

Jack: Probably. And he gets his mind warped. And like, your people don't love you. They've rejected you. Think about it. I'm your father. I'm who's been watching over you this whole time. I'm who's been taking care of you. I guided you. I give you abilities. I show you how to do your thing.

Cristina: And then what? And he betrays them?

Jack: Well, they go out of their way. As he starts to dig deeper and find things that could potentially give him the abilities required, he, perhaps because there's already text about it, finds out about ambrosia, finds out about nectar, and goes out of his way to find it. Enter the Knights Templar. Enter the maji. Enter the sea, people. We have to sadly deal with this kid. Turn all these. You guys do what you do and turn all these people against them. He needs to stop, because then he's gonna direct people right to our door. Yeah, he gets crew. They turn everybody against him. He gets crucified and dies.

Cristina: But he doesn't.

Jack: No, he does.

Cristina: I mean, yes, he does. But then they give him that stuff.

Jack: Give him ichor. They take his dead corpse out of the f****** hole they threw it in, they give it ichor, and it comes back to life with the abilities that ichor would give you, which are the same that you would get from ambrosia and are the same you would get from nectar, which are all. All three. Just a different version of adrenochrome.

Cristina: Now he needs it forever.

Jack: Now he needs it. Now he needs it. But not only that, his homies are gonna get it too. You guys were loyal to me straight through. And it doesn't matter what the f*** these other people told you. You guys were always loyal to me.

Cristina: So you think he gave it to them all?

Jack: His homies got it. As many as he could get it to, his homies got it. And look, as soon as it's your time, we're gonna do the thing. We're gonna f****** die. We're gonna make sure you end up on the other side.

Cristina: Well, I think they got it so.

Jack: That they could go to the Shadow Realm. Why do you think he's building so many gates? Everybody. He's building an army of some sort.

Cristina: I thought he was trying to get things over there. Over here?

Jack: Yes. And if you take adrenochrome and you die on this end, you end up in the Shadow Realm anyways. But now there's a gate that allows from over there into this side.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Simple. My friends never have to die. He has the Dragon Balls.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: He broke the f****** system. And probably with the help of Jehovah of Dark.

Cristina: Yes, okay. But for what?

Jack: Oh, no. There has always been three versions of Atrinochrome.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And they were essentially background noise.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: We didn't know. We didn't know they were there.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: They were invisible to us because we.

Cristina: Thought they were all one thing.

Jack: We thought they were all one thing. We're treating them all as one thing. They're just blood. Just child's blood. Specifically adrenalized child's blood. But it doesn't even seem like the adrenaline matters. It seems like that's just a way to make it more potent. Maybe. Maybe make it stronger. Discovered later.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or something. On the flip side, some gods must have known, because if you think about the rituals of bringing the virgin up to the pit, where everybody is watching and cheering on before you push them in, there is a ritual of building fear in the individual before you sacrifice them to the God.

Cristina: These versions were probably very young.

Jack: Yes. Well, virgin is what's telling us are young.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Specifically because girls in the past would get married at 9, 10, or 11.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which means if you're virgin.

Cristina: Because, like, they didn't have a word for children. So it's virgins. That's the word.

Jack: Exactly. A virgin was extra. Extra. Extra.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Five, six, seven.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Horrified. Everybody's cheering on the death of this young one. And they got some vague, loose concept. They're horrified anyways. Even if they don't.

Cristina: If they know they're gonna die.

Jack: Maybe they don't. They're young. Young. I don't know if they know, but they're horrified as the circumstance. Regardless.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's a crazy moment. People cheering and they're the focus of attention, which horrifies a child. And you can throw them into either fire pit or just a hole or something in honor of your God. You're building the fear. There's a whole ceremony about scaring the individual first, then killing them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And in this moment, two of the three things are provided. You throw the whole being in there. The blood is there, which is the nectar, and the organs are there, which is the ambrosia.

Cristina: Yes, perfect, Perfect.

Jack: The only way to get the ichor is from a God. Think about that real quick. The only way to get the ichor is from a God. But Jesus Christ was given ichor. And we know, we know because we've established this before with regional differences. Before they were people, there was some sort of f****** war between the gods. Zeus stood to his side, Jehovah of Dark stood to his side, or of light, whatever the case, whoever the was running the Israel side of things, because that's still sort of unclear, stood to his side. Division of gods happened after there was who knows how long of unity of gods. Now there is a God that the sea people avoid, and we're assuming that is Jehovah of Dark. Yes, Jehovah Dark is a sketchy individual and a crafty one, it seems. Maybe he's been around for longer than the sea people because again, there's a f****** mountain that allowed him access in and out. Mount Kopf was there. Mount Kaf just so happens to be very, very, very close to Greece. Not like Israel. That's down, down, down. No, we're up here. Closer. Much closer. So Jehovah of Dark has access to the Greek gods, and somehow Jesus gets a hold of ichor that brings him back to life. And we don't hear of the Greek gods for as long as we do hear about Jesus. Paint me that picture real quick. We stop hearing about the Greek gods when we start hearing about Jesus. Jesus, that's too close in proximity. Do you see what's happening?

Cristina: No.

Jack: How do you not see what's happening? You can only get ichor from gods. We stop hearing about the Greek gods when we do start hearing about Jesus. What happened? That is an obvious painting there saying he killed them. Yes. Something happened to the Greek gods that allowed Jesus to get a hold of the ichor that they specifically refer to the Greek God. Specifically refer to. Jesus found out about that from some Greek texts, or whoever brought him back found out about it from the Greek texts. The mountain, Mount Ka, that causes this fear, this problem falls in line with the fact that the Greek also had a problem with the sea people. The sea people who had an issue with the thing on Mount Kaf. The only thing that brought these people together was whatever this mutual force was. We never understood what force, why it is that you guys would call them problematic, but you guys would just kind of change, chill in the same region for whatever reason. It's a mutual enemy. That's why all the overpowered beings that existed around the same time, although they did not like each other, had one mutual enemy. And that kept them all like, we'll have war with each other, but we're not gonna get rid of each other.

Cristina: And the enemy is the shadow realm. The shadow realm, okay.

Jack: The things that are not from this Earth. Okay, but they're from the other side. That's the issue. That's the same reason that Christianity went out of its way. To do what to all the creatures that had come from the other side when they went to Ireland? Send them all back. There was a bunch of effort done by all the different groups from all the different religions and all of the gods of this side of Earth to together, to collectively, even if we don't agree, even if we as gods had a war and we divided sections of the world, and you see over there, and I see over here, we got one mutual goal, and it's we're gonna send whoever the f*** our descendants are to get rid of the creatures from the f****** shadow realm. Everybody has the same f****** story, but.

Cristina: They lost this war around Jesus time. Yeah.

Jack: They didn't lose the war and lose the war. The Greeks are still there. We've heard of other gods. There's just a very specific Olympian God thing that just ended around the time that we got Jesus. Somebody had to be sacrificed for him.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And don't know how it was done. No, we're talking about some overpowered beings who had it figured out for a while.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like they got to stalemate with Jehovah. That's some pretty op s***.

Cristina: We have no idea what happened.

Jack: We have no idea what happened. We have no idea what happened.

Jack: We just know. Oh, Greek gods just vanished no more. And, oh, yeah, we're now gonna focus on the story of this guy who just came back to life this. Unrelated. Unrelated. Yeah. So for the millionth time, for the millionth f****** time, another piece falls into this giant picture that seems to cover all of Earth and seems to involve every religion and seems to involve every government and seems to always involve the shadow realm, the sea people. The sea people, and Adrenochrome.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Always. Always, always, always, always, always, always comes.

Cristina: Back to one of those three.

Jack: The shadow realm, Adrenochrome, and the sea people. Always, without f****** exception. Everything. At this point, I believe we can choose random f****** topics, follow them back. We know. We know that when we're talking about, and we've established this a long time ago, that when we're talking about the Chupacabra, we have to make two different scenarios for this. Because there's some biological horror that got out that survives kind of off of blood, which means they were experimenting with either improving adrenochrome or some s***. And this thing, this creature, one of the many creatures that has been exposed to it. And there's some kind of freak of nature dependent on it, feral and out there attacking random s*** just to get more is absolutely different then whatever extraterrestrial kind of being, godlike, overpowered thing came from space looking for exactly the same f****** s*** that you can only get from mortal creatures on this planet. It only exists in biology with blood. This thing that creates abilities that gives immortality. Those are just absolutely two random scenarios that we can just directly connect back. We've talked about it before. They just connect back at random.

Cristina: A lot of our topics.

Jack: A lot of our topics always connect back at random. Just if you dig deep enough to anything, it ends up at the sea people, Adrenochrome or the shadow realm, oftentimes two or more.

Cristina: That's so that's. That's really interesting. I wonder if the sea people are connected to more things though.

Jack: Well, they're definitely connected, bare minimum to the shadow realm. Now that we know that Mount Kafka is probably directly what they were avoiding. That's a direct connection of an interaction that or a behavior that has a one to one. This is here. So we must leave there. So we know they're related factually to the shadow realm. And we know that.

Cristina: Probably fear that.

Jack: Yes. And we know that the shadow realm requires one of these versions or all three of these versions of a trinochrome. Now how do we connect adrenochrome back to the sea people? I don't know. Other than Jesus Christ being a sea person.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But that is a full circle. That is a C person who has gotten a hold of. Now we have an actual name, Ichor. That is a C person who took Edgar. That's one of the three adrenochromes which.

Cristina: Is super overpowered now.

Jack: It's super overpowered now because he.

Cristina: If he did give it to his friends, those friends are still human. So they're probably nothing because he didn't.

Jack: Give them his literal blood unless he killed them all willingly. Like he got them all to agree to death. Do your thing. Eventually you're gonna die. When you die, I will show up and I will give you my blood. You will come back to life and you will join me. Jesus does say one thing consistently. Follow me and you will have immortality. But we know all these People die eventually.

Cristina: Yeah. And he really was a fan of sharing his blood, and he really was a fan of sharing his blood body or whatever.

Jack: So chances are he literally gave them ichor. They managed to remain themselves because it's not nectar and it's not ambrosia. It's ichor. You take it, you're not hooked, you're free, you're fine. So you have it, you're good. His homies die. For whatever reason he gives them the thing, they come back to life. Everything is good and dandy, and you guys have the immortality that I promised you. You did the tasks, you got killed for, you died of old age, whatever the case might be. I give you the thing now. You're young again and you're immortal. Easy, simple, basic. Enjoy your humanity. Eventually, you will be like me. And this fits the fact that when you look into the Bible, it seems like he's making vampires. This sounds very vampiric, especially now that you must give them the blood after they have. Yeah, that's as vampiric as it gets.

Cristina: Epstein is one of his.

Jack: I don't think Epstein is one of them. I think he's the merchant. I really believe he was not giving anything out. Oh, you mean like now, after he went to prison? Yeah. Yeah. Because I don't believe he was consuming the other versions of it.

Cristina: No.

Jack: I think he made sure to stay alive as a normal mortal, to have a way out if necessary. Which brings up another question. Is that what happened to Hitler?

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Like, I mean, Hitler dies in this place, and then Hitler goes missing at the same time. Interesting.

Cristina: I think he's.

Jack: People have seen Hitler a lot after he died.

Cristina: Okay. Yes. They have the same stories about him. They have same stories about a lot of people.

Jack: Yes. Always elites.

Cristina: Yes. So it makes sense.

Jack: It makes sense.

Cristina: Huh? Huh?

Jack: The plot thickens. It checks out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Maybe there is a place where these people do gather, and sometimes they don't have the other two. Maybe they don't take ambrosia. Maybe they don't take nectar. They're cool with it. Look, I want to enjoy my humanity. Eventually, I'm gonna die. Give me the ichor. I will be young again, and I'll be alive again. It's cool, bro.

Cristina: Yeah. How tempting are the other two things, though? That most of them won't choose that. Because the other ones are giving you things right away, though.

Jack: Yes, but also, the stakes are pretty high on those.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It seems like if you don't die first and take ichor, you must continue to Take it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It is instant gratification, but you're doing it forever.

Cristina: Yes. Which most people. That's what they want.

Jack: That's what they want. They want the instant gratification.

Cristina: Yes. So that makes sense that most people would just take that.

Jack: It makes sense that most people would enter a feral state where desperation takes over. Because I can't lose this. I have to keep taking it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: While some people are clever, I'll f****** wait until I die.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then I don't require it beyond having taken it. Yeah, you guys wanted it. Now I'll wait.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I'll pay the merchant who's going to find me when I die and give it to me. I'm cool with just being a person right now, but you guys can be hooked. You guys are going to need it.

Cristina: Yes, but they need it because they also need that power that comes with it. They probably need the extra help, not.

Jack: Just the power that comes with it. They don't want to go feral.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Most importantly, they don't want to go feral. That's key. What does it matter to have the power if you lost your mind?

Cristina: Yeah, but the only way they got the power in the first place was through that.

Jack: Yes. So it's. They're hooked.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's a huge issue. The people who wanted the instant gratification are probably the same people right now, desperately trying to get hold of a bunch of children by legislating a bunch of s***, making it legal, and having a funnel of children go to them.

Cristina: Yes. Now that their island disappeared, they're just. It's here now.

Jack: Desperation. Yes. The island is gone. There's no longer a cultivation of the umbrella. Adrenochrome now. Well, you guys f***** it. The island, at least. We were doing it in secrecy. Now you guys know we'll f*** all of you. We need it. And we don't give a f*** what you try to stop us. We're stronger, we're faster, we're smarter. You're gonna lose at every turn.

Cristina: Yeah, but we can't do anything about it.

Jack: Can't do anything about it. They're f****** doing it through legislation. They're tricking the dumb masses into f****** supporting it. It's a losing war. It's happening so easily.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In front of everybody's face. They don't give a dude. They're actively. Just in front of everybody. Suppression, freedom of speech. They're actively passing bills that will outlaw traffic. And they're like, no, no outlaw s***. F*** that.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: Don't make it a Federal crime. We want those kids.

Cristina: Everything.

Jack: Anyways. Anyways, that's where we're at right now.

Cristina: Madness.

Jack: A lot of madness. A lot of weird connecting bots. You guys can. Basically, this podcast has devolved into some f****** expedition into the madness of society and how everything comes back to see people. Adrenochrome in the shadow realm. So kind of any episode that's either recent or a bunch of scattered episodes in which all of these things are discussed at different times, you guys can.

Cristina: Find all that and the sad fact that everyone's a pedo and everybody's a.

Jack: Pedo for the adrenochrome.

Cristina: Probably, Probably.

Jack: But you guys can find all those episodes and look through them. Tell us, please, please, if you know something we don't anymore.

Cristina: Code words.

Jack: Yeah. Any more code words that we can look into or whatever. And yeah, send us that information. Message us. Tell us at all of our socials. TikTok, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook. That's usconvopod.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth is incredibly important right now, especially with this movie. Go watch the movie and tell people about the show so that they can hear the madness we continue to find.

Cristina: This has been the rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Listening.

Jack: Bye. Foreign.

November 06, 2021

Rambling 150: Shadow God

November 06, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

Is there a pattern in Groundhog God’s behavior? Is there a pattern in which other God’s we see? Why is Adrenochrome so prominent in everything the underworld offers throughout the course of history? Is the point of reality Adrenochrome related? After being attacked by a rabid groundhog, the due decide to unpack the connection of God, Groundhogs, Adrenochrome and Technology. Additionally delving into the Facebook Metaverse name change and what their new artificial reality will be capable of. What the duo uncovers about the metaverse is a flash from the past no one could have seen coming!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Groundhog God
Facebook’s Metaverse
Androids
Elon Musk
Ugandan Knuckles
Genocidal Jack
Illuminati Clones
Caligrians
The Clone Origins
Planet X
The Death Star
Cat People
The Shadow Realm
Yu-Gi-Oh

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

Instagram -https://instagram.com/justconvopod

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Cristina: Welcome to Just Conversation, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

Cristina: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Jack: Yes, and also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss. So be sure to find somebody to listen to this show with. That's always the most important part. You go find somebody. Ah, my throat hurts so much it's crazy.

Cristina: Why? What's wrong with your throat?

Jack: You know what's wrong with my throat.

Cristina: You got Covid.

Jack: I got Covid. Can you imagine? Just be here in the. In the showroom, recording. I got Covid. Everybody's getting Covid. We're all catching COVID Because I brought Covid.

Cristina: Yeah, it's crazy, because you got the shot. What was it you told Clevername? You got it 7 times already?

Jack: 17 times.

Cristina: 17 times the shot.

Jack: 17 times the most vaccinated human, and.

Cristina: You still caught it.

Jack: And I still caught it.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: And it's killing me.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I'm probably going to be replaced soon with another clone.

Cristina: Clone.

Jack: Hopefully I make it. I mean, that was the goal, right? I caught the COVID and that's not even why I sound the way I do. No, that's unrelated.

Cristina: That's unrelated. Yes.

Jack: I just have Covid. That's another fact. Yeah, I just have Covid, But I was trying to beat the COVID with a beaver. With a.

Cristina: No. Groundhog. Yeah, they're all the same. Okay. Groundhog.

Jack: Yeah, they're close.

Cristina: They're close, you know?

Jack: God d***. But my throat hurts so much. So I'll fill you guys in with what happened. So I went out with some of the subhumans, and we decided we're going to go catch groundhog God, Jehovah. But I also decided we can get a normal groundhog and try to create a groundhog God. The groundhog God, like Jehovah. And so we went and we caught a normal groundhog, and we trapped it, and I was gonna inject it with some adrenochrome to see what would happen when the m*********** bit me in the neck.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: So were you able to inject it afterwards? Yeah. Okay, so, like, I'm not gonna have, like, groundhog powers or anything, which would be dope.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Depending on what that would be, I guess.

Cristina: What do you mean? Any power should be a dope power.

Jack: I suppose.

Cristina: What would be a bad power?

Jack: I don't know, like I become a groundhog or I'm like a human size. Think about like the. The Beast from X Men.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like his life sucks. Or think about the thing from the Fantastic Four. Yeah, I get. Yeah, that's garbage, bro.

Cristina: I mean, as superheroes, it's fine dope. But in their normal lives as human beings, I guess that it sucks.

Jack: Yeah. Like, if I turned into. It would suck if I inj with adrenochrome and bites me and then I become like a giant groundhog.

Cristina: Yeah. That still speaks and everything.

Jack: Like, yeah, that sucks.

Cristina: Yeah, that sucks.

Jack: Oh, so, yeah, it sucks to talk. It hurts. It's. It. I sound weird.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like, it's hard to even explain what's going on because it caught me on the right side of the neck. So it didn't hit like the jugular vein or any important thing.

Cristina: You didn't bleed out.

Jack: And like we have all the secret Illuminati medication. So, like, I'm not going to get rabies or anything. Although, like, we had cures for like normal people can access cures for rabies, but I got like mega cure for rabies. So that's all stuff that's happening. But like, I can't do high pitched.

Cristina: Sounds or it will kill you.

Jack: Yeah, man, it hurts. I might die if I do some. Any kind of high octave thing where not even.

Cristina: What if you accidentally do a high octave and then you die in this while we're recording this?

Jack: That would be tragic. But then I would be replaced immediately by a more clear sounding clone.

Cristina: So should we try to kill you?

Jack: No, because I like living. That's a fact.

Cristina: Sure.

Jack: Yeah. I enjoy being alive quite a bit.

Cristina: All right, just checking.

Jack: Yeah. So that's what's happening over here. Just a lot of.

Cristina: So we couldn't find the groundhog God, though.

Jack: We haven't done that yet. We haven't even gone out to find out if there is a groundhog God that we're gonna catch. We're presuming that that's the thing, and it probably is.

Cristina: Realistically, I thought we were doing that. And you also wanted to test out if you could turn one into the God.

Jack: We're gonna go. We're hunting to see where we're gonna find groundhog God. We gotta look in the area where the groundhog that predicts the weather or whatever the f***.

Cristina: I think that's in Philadelphia. Right. I don't know. Maybe. His name is Phil, I'm assuming. Yes.

Jack: His name is Phil, therefore he is from Philadelphia.

Cristina: He's named after the location he lives. Positive.

Jack: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: PPP Yeah, I think so. Phil from Pennsylvania.

Cristina: Well, his name is like two Peas, so it would be PPP Why is.

Jack: His name two Peas?

Cristina: Because it's the town he's from.

Jack: Starts with a P. No f****** way.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Really?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Isn't Philadelphia the town he's in?

Cristina: No, that's not really the town he's in. It's another town that starts with a P. Really? Yeah.

Jack: That's a fact.

Cristina: Yes. It's a really complicated word, though.

Jack: Okay. Like Poughkeepsie.

Cristina: Poughkeepsie. What is a Poughkeepsie?

Jack: It's a town.

Cristina: What town? Where is it?

Jack: I don't know where it is.

Cristina: Why do you know it's.

Jack: The name of the town is Poughkeepsie. And I don't know why I know things. I don't know the answers to stuff, but. Yeah. So today's show is brought to you by the letter H and the letter P. P. And you put them together and it equals gaining Life.

Cristina: Gaining. His name is Punksu. To.

Jack: Phil.

Cristina: Yes, Phil. I said Phil. Right. And that P word is in Pennsylvania. So you see, it was pretty on it.

Jack: Yeah, I guess so. It is in Pennsylvania.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So he's from. Yeah, it's. His name is PP from pp.

Cristina: He's PP from pp?

Jack: Yeah, he's PP from pp. This is a very adult, mature content show. We are only.

Cristina: That's why we're not laughing.

Jack: We're only. Yeah. Because there's nothing funny about Peepee from pp.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Them be the facts.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Facts aren't meant to be funny.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They're just objective truths.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we gotta go there and hunt God.

Cristina: Yes. How are we gonna go there? I mean, it's not even that far, is it?

Jack: No, that's incredibly close.

Cristina: Why haven't we found him yet?

Jack: Because it's a large area.

Cristina: Are you sure? What if that town is very tiny? I don't know.

Jack: Pennsylvilladelphia?

Cristina: No. Punxus. Whatever. The P word. That. He's from the town.

Jack: Oh, s***. He's named after the town.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Punxutaway.

Cristina: Let's just say he's from Pun. Okay.

Jack: Yeah, whatever. It doesn't matter where he's from. We're gonna go there and we're gonna. Cat.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It is what it is, man.

Cristina: Did you murder that thing? No, we're just watching and waiting.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah, pretty much.

Cristina: What if he becomes you?

Jack: I highly doubt that. You, like, eat a piece of me?

Cristina: No. But he bit you.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That would be enough to turn you into beaver.

Jack: Groundhog.

Cristina: Groundhog. What if he turned into a groundhog?

Jack: He wasn't radioactive or anything.

Cristina: How do you know? Did you check if he was before you did it?

Jack: He wasn't normal.

Cristina: Did you check, though, before?

Jack: Yes, that was the point. We couldn't have an already modified groundhog and give it adrenochrome.

Cristina: Well, I thought you just got a random groundhog and maybe forgot to check it.

Jack: No, we are professionals.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Yeah, it was just a groundhog.

Cristina: So what powers would you want from a groundhog, though? You don't want to turn into one, I guess.

Jack: But what power does a groundhog have? Didn't we go through this once where you talked about the powers of a groundhog or some?

Cristina: I think so. I talked about other. Other animals.

Jack: Really? I don't know. It could dig.

Cristina: Well, it could dig. So you're gonna. That's the power you want?

Jack: Just dig underground?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Unrealistically fast. They don't even dig really fast. Like it isn't astounding.

Cristina: It's probably equal to you digging.

Jack: Yeah. It's not crazy, you know?

Cristina: Yeah. Do they at least have good vision in the dark?

Jack: Probably not.

Cristina: Probably. Oh.

Jack: They don't need to see too much when they're in a hole in the dark. There's no light in there.

Cristina: Shouldn't they be seeing? Well, no, they're not like moles or something.

Jack: In order to have night vision like other animals, do you usually have a little bit of light? It's the ability to see in low light.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Isn't light coming into your eyes? You can't see Like a cat in straight up darkness is still blind. So in a hole like that, it doesn't matter.

Cristina: Okay. And it can't develop those other powers that the moles have, like being able.

Jack: To feel where everything is. Yeah, I guess it could, but the mole did that already, so.

Cristina: But you wouldn't want that power.

Jack: Well, I wouldn't get that from a groundhog, no. Yeah. Groundhog doesn't give us that kind of stuff.

Cristina: What if you were furry as one?

Jack: That sucks. I just described.

Cristina: No, you don't want to be. You're not going to be a giant groundhog. You're still human.

Jack: No, I don't want to be furry at all. That sucks.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I want to look like a groundhog in any manner, shape or form. Not even fur wise.

Cristina: I wonder what powers they have. They have to have something that makes them special besides predicting the future.

Jack: I don't care. That groundhog. What have you been up to?

Cristina: What have I been up to?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Hiding from Mark Zuckerberg.

Jack: Mark Zuckerfucker? Why?

Cristina: His commercial scares me.

Jack: The Metaverse commercial?

Cristina: He's so not human.

Jack: What's not human about him?

Cristina: Just him talking. It's just. It does feel like he's pretending to be Data from Star Trek. It's so crazy that he's just trying to be normal and it's not coming off as normal.

Jack: Well, he's a weird guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like he has little option to what he can do to fix that. Like he is who he is.

Cristina: Like he's trying to play around with what we. How we see him. But it's really hard not to see him as how we see him.

Jack: Yeah, like his joke. Oh, I thought I was the robot.

Cristina: Yes, like that. It doesn't help.

Jack: Well, it get. It shows us that he gets what's happening. Like he understands that we believe that.

Cristina: Yes, but it didn't help. I don't know, it convinced me more that he's a robot.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Cuz it's something. I don't know. Maybe it's that weird. He's Data. He's a robot. He's whatever Data is. What is Data? He's a robot. Completely. He's something else.

Jack: He's a fool.

Cristina: Yeah, he's a robot.

Jack: Yeah, he's an Android. His robot made to simulate a person.

Cristina: I think Mark is that. I think Mark is an Android.

Jack: And who made him?

Cristina: Elon Musk.

Jack: That'd be an interesting. And like, I wouldn't put it past him, you know?

Cristina: Yes. He didn't probably plan on him making Facebook or any of that. He just made a robot just to see what would happen. And then that robot did all this other stuff that Elon wasn't predicting at all. He just made the robot for fun.

Jack: Or maybe he did plan on him making Facebook.

Jack: Maybe he's pulling all the strings.

Cristina: Why would he care about Facebook?

Jack: He has everybody's information.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Why are all his companies so successful?

Cristina: Because of Facebook. No.

Jack: Elon Musk. Yeah, he knows what people want.

Cristina: Oh. Because he knows what people want and.

Jack: He builds an entire company around the concept of what people want.

Cristina: But he hangs out on Twitter and on Facebook.

Jack: Unless he does, he doesn't need to hang out on Facebook because Zucker F***** does. He not only the Creator of Facebook. But he exists inside Facebook, reading all the data and then he just reports back to Elon Musk and gives him all the data he's discovered.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: In summarized versions that provide the most efficient knowledge.

Cristina: What kind of information does he need?

Jack: Well, what are people talking about these days? What's the most talked about?

Cristina: Conspiracies? I don't know.

Jack: And he solves them. He probably the guy who tells Trump what to do. When we were talking about the guy on top who tells everybody else what to do. It's probably Elon Musk. He's probably the boss of the queen and everything. He's the guy on top. If we just follow every line to the top. Elon Musk is at the top of every line.

Cristina: That's a little hard to imagine. Well, okay.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because. Over the queen.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: How did he do it?

Jack: Science.

Cristina: Science got him there. Whoa.

Jack: The power of science got Elon Musk on top. Yeah. I think that's definitely what's going on. Used the power of science in a virtual world.

Cristina: What is your avatar gonna look like?

Jack: What? In the metaverse? In the Facebook metaverse.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: You can make it look like yourself, which is a weird choice to go with.

Jack: You could exist in a fictional world and you're just gonna make you.

Cristina: Yeah, because one of the people in that commercial just was themselves.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like a hologram version of themselves.

Jack: Yeah. Is that what he really believes is going to happen?

Cristina: That people are going to do that? You know what? I'm going to be right.

Jack: What are you going to be?

Cristina: The little round knuckles running around Uganda Knuckles. Yeah.

Jack: Oh, my God. I know that's going to happen. Isn't. Wait, isn't that a metaverse? What the f*** was that?

Cristina: Yeah, that is. I don't know. What's it called, what game that is or where that's.

Jack: Yeah, they invaded that s*** hard.

Cristina: And it's going to go in Facebook.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uganda Knuckles will live again.

Cristina: Yeah, but what would your character look like?

Jack: Probably Uganda Knuckles as well.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I joined that movement immediately.

Cristina: Yes. Gotta make it happen.

Jack: Yeah. It'll be amazing. Can you imagine another army of Uganda knuckles just trolling until that avatar gets banned again?

Cristina: Yes. You gotta. Well, what does he do? Stalk girls and say something? I forgot what he says.

Jack: He shows you the way.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. He shows you the way.

Jack: Shows you the way. Brada.

Cristina: Yes. Can't wait.

Jack: You do not know the way.

Cristina: Yes. That man. I wonder what else. I don't know.

Jack: That was a good brief Moment in history. Yeah, it was great.

Cristina: And I guess you gotta make a character, like, I don't know, a video game character that you, like, you could just put in. I wonder.

Jack: No, I'm gonna just be some chick.

Cristina: I'm just gonna be some chick.

Jack: Yeah, I'm a troll. Guys get free. So you do you dress up like a chicken? Nerds. Wanna. You or your avatar.

Cristina: Your avatar?

Jack: Yeah, I do it all the time, man. I play chicks and games.

Cristina: And they give you stuff.

Jack: Yeah, they just want to f*** my avatar.

Cristina: Oh, do you let them f*** your avatar? No, no. Okay.

Jack: I flirt with them, though, you know, in game. Flirting, winks and highs. And I follow them around. They're like, oh, yeah, I got a video game girl.

Cristina: Then you murder them.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do that kind of often.

Cristina: You're serial killer.

Jack: I kind of am, dude.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, let's be real. Let's be real. Totally out of character right now. Just me, the real clone, and, like, worker for the Illuminati. None of this other s*** I pretend to be, Right? This is who I really, truly, honestly am.

Cristina: You, Jack the River.

Jack: I kind of murder a lot. Let's look at my track record, right? Video games. Just going through video games before we get to the bigger picture. I consistently. But I'm not like. Like, let's think of like Grand Theft Auto, right? I don't go around just casually murdering people.

Cristina: No, you do. On the Red Dead.

Jack: Well, the problem is I'll go and I'll randomly, in gta, go into a bunk after the lobby has pacified and there's no chaos happening. And what will I do? I'll get an armored truck that nobody could blow up. Oh, I'll go outside and just start f****** people up with that truck, sending the entire lobby into a frenzy of murdering one another.

Cristina: Why would you.

Jack: And then I'll stop murdering people.

Cristina: Poor kid.

Jack: I don't know. Because I can.

Cristina: Because you can.

Jack: In Red Dead, I passively go wave at somebody. Go chill with them, follow them around.

Cristina: They think, oh, yeah, Pretend to be their buddy.

Jack: Yeah, we're gonna go do things together. And then when they least expect it, I blow their f****** brains out.

Cristina: And then run away.

Jack: And then run away. Then they can't find me.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And I make sure they know I'm still in the world. But I quick travel somewhere they can't find me. And then I leave the nearest town, and then they can't find me. If they're traveling from down to town, they gotta find me in the middle of West Bubba F*** killer.

Cristina: I guess that's not a serial killer because you're not hunting specific people or anything.

Jack: No, I'm just a mass murderer.

Cristina: Mass murderer? Yeah, that's the right word.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: If we talk about the real world, though, what you did with the cockroach people is mass murder.

Jack: Yeah. It's genocide.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's a lot. A lot of life. I killed a lot of Reptilians, but there's a lot alive resistant slaves. Like, a lot of them.

Cristina: Yeah. Not as bad as what we did with the cockroach Fuel.

Jack: No, nothing. Nothing beats that. That was way early, before we understood what we were dealing with. Before s*** got weird and there was a bunch of other s*** happening. But, yeah, we. We f***** that up. I did end up marrying one of the survivors, huh?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: My wife is a giant cockroach.

Cristina: Mm. Does she scare? Is she afraid of you? I don't understand. How did it happen?

Jack: She understands.

Cristina: She understands that she.

Jack: But it was Amy.

Cristina: It wasn't this you. It was before you became you.

Jack: I don't. I don't know what the canon of this show is. I don't know the lore. So, like, somebody needs to explain this to me. Am I the one who's the same killer? Is anybody listening? Who, like, kept track of this? Because I don't know. And I'm not going to go back and find out. Like, go listen to everything and tell me, am I the same guy who destroyed that planet, destroyed Mars with cockroaches on it? Or was it like a previous clone? Or, like, what the f***? I don't know.

Cristina: And which version of you did the time machine and which version of me? Because I don't think it was the one before the real you. I don't think it was that you, but I don't think it's this you either. I think there's just another you out there.

Jack: That's the thing.

Cristina: Unrelated, I think there's two.

Jack: I think there's two mews.

Cristina: Besides the one that was kill trying to kill you. Besides that you that's might still also be out there.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, no. He killed Jermaine. There might be three of us.

Cristina: Exactly. There's three of yous out here.

Jack: See, this is why we need somebody who listens to this show religiously to, like, build. Build this narrative so we can see and, like, tell me, I want to know. Which are you, which am I?

Cristina: Which you is you.

Jack: I know I'm number three, you're for.

Cristina: Sure the one that married the roach.

Jack: For sure, for sure, for sure. Yeah. Because I've been here a while. I've been here for, like, three seasons maybe.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, season two had, like, two different clones.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah. All that happened in, like, season two.

Cristina: Okay. With the time machine and the murdering your friend.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like, a huge part of the lore happened in season two.

Cristina: And that's why we have no idea.

Jack: And that's why you have no idea. A bunch of that s*** happened all together. Because before then, it was just a show.

Cristina: Yes, it was. Normal podcast.

Jack: Was a normal podcast back in the old days when we had Reaper here and we were all just a bunch of people before the Illuminati recruited us because of how informative we were. And then we got recruited and then we got told the secrets and then.

Cristina: We spoiled it, and then we died.

Jack: Well, we didn't necessarily, but you know us. And then the originals started talking s*** because they didn't know better. They got put down and boom, the clones showed up. But through several different things that happened, here we are.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Many clones on the line. Third clone each.

Cristina: We're the third clone.

Jack: We're the third clone. Yeah.

Cristina: What happened to our second clone?

Jack: I don't remember.

Cristina: Are you positive?

Jack: I am positive. We're number three. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: I just remember Dave dying with Dave.

Jack: Well, here's the thing. I know the one with the time machine wasn't the original.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The episode with Dave is where the first got killed because we were talking s*** about the Illuminati.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He died that day too.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We all got replaced.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: But what happened?

Jack: Well, that was the first. Then we had the clone that came to kill, so we had a different clone, I guess, for a future clone that came to kill the past clone he was meant to replace, I guess. But he was retarded because he was clone of clone.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So he was already the second clone. So he couldn't tell the difference between Jemaine and myself. Although we don't look anything alike. And, like, for whatever reason, my clone at that point had one robot arm.

Cristina: Yes, he has a robot arm and.

Jack: A robot leg and an eyepatch or some s*** like that. Yeah, pirate looking.

Cristina: Yes, he looked like you, except he was missing parts.

Jack: Yeah. Something went terribly wrong. And he wasn't the brightest either.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And he was the second one who came to kill the previous. We'd still not use the time machine yet for the cat people.

Cristina: Are you positive? Because that was super random too.

Jack: D***. I don't know.

Cristina: I don't know which came first. And even though, like, no matter what the order is, when do we die?

Jack: That's the biggest f****** problem, right? Because I know we're number three. I don't remember how we got here.

Cristina: When did we die again? Are you sure?

Jack: I am positive. We've been the third clone for a while.

Cristina: Are you sure you're not the second?

Jack: No, I'm positive. We're not the second. We're the third.

Cristina: I don't remember that. Are you sure?

Jack: I can keep repeating that?

Cristina: Yes, I'm sure. You don't know what season?

Jack: No. Everything happened between season two.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And three.

Cristina: All of it only died twice.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay. I just don't remember my second death.

Jack: I mean, of course you wouldn't. That. That's. That holds up. That's exactly what would happen, isn't it?

Cristina: But I would remember. No, I think you would remember because you're getting the memories of your last.

Jack: Yeah, but you no aren't cloned after dying.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like then take your DNA from the dead body.

Cristina: I guess not. I don't remember. Okay.

Jack: I remember specifically me. This version of me stopping the me who was sending people to the future or some s*** like that.

Cristina: You stop that person.

Jack: You remember that one version of me stopped that clone. That clone came after the situation where the Eyepatch wearing one armed clone killed Jimin.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And thus trapped the soul inside the system.

Cristina: But that just means there was multiple you at the same time. Doesn't mean that you are a second or third or a fourth. Well, because you'd have all happened at once.

Jack: Yeah, fair enough. We don't know what order we were made. And I'm saying that in the order of which they got introduced. I'm the third introduced. I'm the last to be introduced to the lore of this show.

Cristina: Okay, but the one that was going to kill you but ended up killing Jermaine, that was still you, wasn't it?

Jack: Yes, that was a retarded me.

Cristina: No, the you that was on that show that he was trying to kill.

Jack: Oh, yes, I was also.

Cristina: That was the second me that was not you.

Jack: You, though that was not Mimi, or that might have been Mimi.

Cristina: Don't.

Jack: Because the other me is the one who was running the time machine.

Cristina: The same one that was with him talking to him is the one that was running the time machine.

Jack: No, the one that was on the show with the one who is trying to kill him. Those are the same ones. And then Jermaine. But neither one of them is the one who was running the time machine.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's three total different. Yeah. Now, my intern, My understanding is we stopped the one creating the problem with the time machine.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Right. Because he was all jolly and happy about, you know, destroying s***.

Cristina: Well, he was trying to save the world and I didn't understand it. It was me trying to stop him because I wanted cat people and I didn't understand his goal of stopping the cat people.

Jack: S***. You know what? I might be the one.

Cristina: You might be the one?

Jack: I might be the one.

Cristina: Which one?

Jack: No, I'm not the third. I'm the second.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: No, I'm the. I'm the first clone. No, the first clone died for sure. The first one of the. Because the original died and then the first clone died for both of us. Factually, that happened. Then we have. F***, there's like five of me, dude.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. We can't even remember when the second clone died.

Jack: No, I know the first clone. I guess I don't remember when the first clone died. I know that both my first clone and your first clone died. And our original originals died. So that's already two people dead for each of us.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then there's the retarded clone.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: With the eye patch in one arm.

Cristina: You.

Jack: That's me. Yeah. And then there is me, the either the one he was trying to kill or the one who was running the time machine. And whichever one of those I'm not is the third. Which is five total me's.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If we just remove the original. That's four clones.

Cristina: That's four clones. Except I don't remember a first clone dying.

Jack: D***. I don't want to listen to all that all over again.

Cristina: That's too much work.

Jack: That's a lot. That's a lot.

Cristina: We should make up a reason. Why did our clones die then?

Jack: I don't know. There's definitely a reason, though. Somebody's gonna tell us. Somebody will.

Cristina: Look, the Spaghetti Monster killed us.

Jack: I think they started talking s*** about f****** Illuminati 2 by accident. Yeah. Yeah, I think it happened by accident.

Cristina: Oh, was it with a guest?

Jack: Might have been. But then the only guess where these bullshits happen are when Jermaine's on the show, when Dave is on the show, or when Ish is on the show. And with Ish, we went on other weird adventures.

Cristina: You started the cockroach war with Ish. Yes, yes, I was also in disagreement with that plan.

Jack: But it happened.

Cristina: But it happened.

Jack: Yes, it is what it is. See, Ish is ride or die. He's on board with cockroaches below the planet Insane.

Cristina: We were gonna lose and then we.

Jack: Had a hack off.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that was amazing. And he hacked a robot.

Cristina: That was amazing.

Jack: Yeah, man. Ish is fun. We need him back.

Cristina: Yes. We need to do some kind of weird adventure with him.

Jack: Yeah, I like adventures with Ish. He's exciting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We never. He's the wild card.

Cristina: He's the wild. Exactly.

Jack: Every group needs a wild card.

Cristina: He's Charlie. Does that make you Dennis?

Jack: I think I'm Dennis in most cases. No matter who else is who else.

Cristina: He's Charlie.

Jack: I'm pretty Dennis. Would that be interesting? I'd like to come up with something after watching Dan. What is Dan Snaps or some. Dan put some s*** on YouTube where he brings on. It's like a podcast. And he brings on the homies.

Cristina: He brings on homies. Okay.

Jack: They do like weird experiments. And I'm like, that's a cool concept. I'd like to try that out.

Cristina: Yes, we gotta do that here.

Jack: Yeah, man. If I can get Dave Ish Reaper, you, me, I'll be Dungeon Master.

Cristina: But how we get so many people on the phone, or is it through the computer?

Jack: Yeah, we can like Skype them in or some.

Cristina: Yeah, we should do that.

Jack: Yeah. And have multiple people and then we can run cool experiments and.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: That'd be dope. If we can get that set up.

Cristina: Yes. We'll have a mystery. Guess. No, I don't know. Yes.

Jack: I don't know if people knew who they were.

Cristina: Nah, they'll be surprised. It's gonna be the Axeman.

Jack: The Axeman?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Who's the Axeman?

Cristina: The guy who scared some kids in the woods.

Jack: Oh, you mean the Woodsman.

Cristina: Yeah, the Woodsman.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: He's the surprise guest.

Jack: Can you imagine? We find a legit woodsman.

Cristina: That'd be cool. Now we gotta find the Woodsman.

Jack: That'd be the. Because every episode has been one to one. This would be like the creation of an entirely different show.

Cristina: What? I guess. No, it could still be ramblings.

Jack: No, no, because rambling is me and you.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: And this conversation is me and a guest.

Cristina: Yes. And this is a party.

Jack: And this is a party. This will be a whole other f****** thing.

Cristina: Yeah. So fun.

Jack: And if it works out, who knows? Maybe we'll do it again. Maybe we can figure out a schedule to get people regularly in.

Cristina: Yes. Awesome.

Jack: Yeah. Be badass.

Cristina: There will be a Woodsman.

Jack: There will be Woodsman. I mean, eventually, look, that show blows up, we get Millions and billions and trillions. And then Joe Rogan begs us to be on the show because it needs the exposure because we're making so much money. And Spotify fired him and hired us instead.

Jack: And, like, they took his hundred million dollars away and gave it to us. It's yours now.

Cristina: I don't think they can do that.

Jack: But okay, it doesn't matter, because now that's what happened.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Gave us his hundred million. And that's awesome. And then he begs. He's like, I need the money. I gotta eat. Can you. Can I be on your show and exposure? And then my stand up will do better than my podcast will do better. And we're like, you want us to share our billion listeners, the most heard podcast in the galaxy?

Cristina: In the galaxy with you?

Jack: Yeah. The Colloquians are, like, hearing us all the time.

Cristina: Who?

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Them. And they're hearing us all.

Cristina: Can you say that word again?

Jack: I don't know what I said, but that alien race is actively listening. What was it? The collar?

Cristina: Something like that.

Jack: There are.

Cristina: Is that what the cockroach people are called?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Did you find out what they're called?

Jack: I don't know what they're called. I just called them cockroach people.

Cristina: Okay. Because if they're. Whatever you just said, then we have to know that that's what they're called and say it. And that sounds really hard because.

Jack: Yeah, because there's two letters there that don't go together, so it's really hard to announce. It's like a whole other language. Caligreans.

Cristina: It's horrible. Yes. They're not called out. Okay.

Jack: Yeah, yeah.

Cristina: That's what the cat people are called.

Jack: But that's some. It could be. Maybe the cat peoples are Caligreans.

Cristina: We need simpler names.

Jack: I mean, cat people in Cockroach, you were pretty simple.

Cristina: But it's not real names.

Jack: I mean, it's identifying labels that we understand. I guess it's like a stereotype. It works.

Cristina: Yeah. All right, so the show with Joe Rogan, we're gonna give him an episode.

Jack: We're gonna allow him to be one of the guests that we run experiments through. But eventually the show is gonna get so big that it's no longer gonna be experiments, and we're really gonna put them in the scenarios we're talking about. It's gonna start in front of a mic.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Just like it started when we first started. Just conversation.

Cristina: Become that show that he used. Factor. Yes. We're just. We're gonna remake Fear Factor. And he's gonna be the guest. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

Jack: That's gonna be great. It's gonna happen by accident. That's how this show happened.

Cristina: Right.

Jack: So we began it was just us hanging out. Then we got hired.

Cristina: Then we got hired. Oh, yeah.

Jack: Then we went on crazy adventures. Do crazy. Now we're gonna make a game show. We're gonna have them be on it. And it's just gonna be some fun questions. Fun.

Cristina: And then we're gonna take Joe Rogan and whatever spa.

Jack: And then we're gonna get so popular, we're gonna take Joe Rogan's spot. And then eventually we're gonna build an entire arena. Beast. What is it? The beast arena thing with the beast arena? The f****** parkour, like, ninja warrior.

Cristina: Oh, American Beast master.

Jack: Beast Master. It's gonna be like a giant Beastmaster size arena.

Cristina: What is it gonna be on Zombie island or.

Jack: Zombie Island? Yes. Ooh. Just keep filling that up.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Beast master size arena. And then we're gonna have all our scenarios really existing on there, and they're gonna have to go through them.

Cristina: Like hacking a robot.

Jack: Yeah. Oh. We could base everything on things that happened here. Oh, my God. You just gave us how we're gonna do the questions for the show. We can just go back to previous events that happened and see what everybody would do in my shoes.

Cristina: Okay, so, like, what would they do with the cockroach people?

Jack: Would they do the cockroach people?

Cristina: Probably not. Start a war. I wonder if everyone's like, no, just start a war.

Jack: We didn't try to start a war.

Cristina: You wanted to just murder them?

Jack: Yes, we freaked out. Murdered a couple of them. Then they started flying towards us and we were like, we gotta stop them. And then we destroyed their whole planet. But then that f***** up the whole system's gravitational pull and Planet X started plunging straight towards Earth. So we went ahead and we stole Mars from Universe 2, put that there.

Cristina: Then what happened to Planet X? Because it was already plunging towards us. Did it just stop?

Jack: Yes, it's just out there.

Cristina: Closer though.

Jack: It's closer, but whatever. It's where it's orbiting, just closer to the end.

Cristina: It's. Is it near Pluto? Is it somewhere we can see it? Is it like now Planet six or whatever? Like, it took that spot or whatever.

Jack: Yeah, it's probably between two other planets. Yeah, it was outside, now it's in the middle. For whatever reason, it didn't just keep plunging in. It's just like, oh, there's a planet. Okay, now I'm back In orbit, circling.

Cristina: The sun like all the other.

Jack: Which is weird that we took out one planet and it immediately stopped orbiting and just started going straight towards Earth. And then we put Mars back and it immediately stopped going towards Earth and then just went back to orbiting wherever it was.

Cristina: I think that planet's an alien.

Jack: That might be a giant. That might be the Death Star.

Cristina: Oh, crap. Why was it coming towards us? Why did it stop?

Jack: Cockroach people were protecting us this whole time. They are like the Vulcan. We got the Vulcans out of the way and then they were like, we're gonna f*** them up. But then we put it back and they don't know that the characters.

Cristina: Okay, interesting. We should go onto planet X though.

Jack: AKA the Death Star.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: But like we call it a Death Star because it's just a giant spaceship. That's artificial planet thing. But like, obviously we're not gonna get there and f****** Darth Vader is gonna be on board. So who's on board the real Death Star? Is it gonna turn out to be like the Borg?

Cristina: Is it gonna be the Borg? No, I think it's gonna be something that's afraid of cockroaches. Like they're gonna be elephants.

Jack: Interesting. But elephants aren't scared of cockroaches.

Cristina: I know, but they're mice. Yeah. They're afraid of small things. I don't know.

Jack: Interesting, Interesting. I wonder what it'll be.

Cristina: It's a mouse.

Jack: A mouse wouldn't be scared of a cockroach. Mouse would wreck a cockroach.

Cristina: Oh, there's nothing afraid of cockroaches.

Jack: I'm sure there is. The answer is rabbits.

Cristina: Yes. Why do you call them cockroaches?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: They're called. It's spelled c***. Roach.

Jack: Yeah, it's spelled cockroach.

Cristina: But you're not saying cockroach, are you?

Jack: I never say cockroach.

Cristina: What do you say?

Jack: I say cockroach.

Cristina: It's so, so similar. I guess it doesn't really matter, but rabbits.

Jack: Rabbits on the Death Star.

Cristina: I think we could take them on if they do decide to attack us. If they don't find out. If they do find out, the roaches are gone. Okay, subhumans versus rabbits.

Jack: Alright, let's. Let's be real. It looks like aliens aren't really a thing. Minus the weird anomalies that we've seen, like the Chupacabra and things like that.

Cristina: Those aren't aliens. Those are also animals.

Jack: Not the interdimensional godlike ones that show up looking for ADRENOCHROME and s***.

Cristina: They were once upon a time, an animal.

Jack: Could be. We didn't establish that actually, but yeah. Like the shapeless one.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But yeah, probably. If we follow the logic. It was probably some s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It seems like the whole planet and the whole star system and the whole galaxy are just animals.

Cristina: With adrenochrome.

Jack: Just animals. It looks like adrenochrome kind of runs the universe. Question is, are the rabbits also on adrenochrome?

Cristina: For sure.

Jack: You think the cat people are on adrenochrome? They're ancient, bro.

Cristina: I think that's what we'll find.

Jack: You think we're just gonna find that?

Cristina: They probably gave us adrenochrome, dude.

Jack: You think everything comes back to adrenochrome?

Cristina: Yes. The whole history of everything.

Jack: Because God started with adrenal, Started with the goal to get more adrenochrome.

Cristina: Exactly. It makes sense.

Jack: Back to the beginning, dude. All the way at the start.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yeah. Like the Chupacabra. That doesn't. That's dimensional and giving us powers and whatever. It had to be something normal before adrenochrome came to its life.

Jack: Because it was working with adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: How did it exist before it found us? You know, it needed adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So chances are it got the adrenochrome first and then slowly changed to what it is.

Cristina: Yeah. And that weird other world. I forgot what it was called.

Jack: Universe 2.

Cristina: Is it universal where all the fairies and creatures live?

Jack: Oh, the. The Shadow Realm.

Cristina: The Shadow Realm. Those are just creatures with adrenochrome. Once you have adrenochrome, you can enter the Shadow Realm.

Jack: Yeah, but there's things that live there.

Cristina: Purely because they already had the. Yeah. They don't know.

Jack: Are things that are just born on that side that never came in contact with anything on this side. Those are. Okay, so we gotta ignore everything on this side. Those are more interesting. Everything over here works off of adrenochrome. Everything. The only place we've seen where that is. The exception is over there. Is that other realm. Interesting.

Cristina: But many things over there have taken adrenochrome. Yes, but you're saying not all of them.

Jack: Not all of them. There are things that are native to that side. Things over here take adrenochrome and move in that direction. That's also to assume we're not going to find God over here.

Cristina: Think we're going to find him over there.

Jack: We got to go to the shadow realm to find God.

Cristina: Or we can just wait for February 2nd, where he will show up in Philadelphia, in Pennsylvania.

Jack: What is it that happens? Right. What is it that happens when to bring something to this side, you need a lot of fear or a lot of death. And then something from the shadow realm becomes. The more of that there is, the more prominent it is on this side. Because they need that energy to manifest from the other side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: God should, in theory, be on the other side. When does God most likely show and when are miracles most likely to happen? In times of extreme, extreme tragedy.

Jack: That's because God is on the other side. And during that February 2nd.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What's happening is the fear of farmers hearing bad news and all their crops being is enough to manifest.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Jehovah.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The worry, the fear, the scared of. I'm not gonna. This is gonna be bad news. That allows him to get grasp form. That's why they have to wait.

Cristina: Yeah. So people collect first.

Jack: Yeah, I guess. But the question is, will he stay on this side? We need to catch his physical form on the other side.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Because we can catch him here and then he'll just stay here.

Cristina: Yep. Yep. Okay. Yeah, we do have to. But I was thinking about the creatures. You said that they are always there.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And never here. But I'm wondering if even though they might have. You know how I have to go back to us as humans. We might have been some creature before adrenochrome came to our ancestors. And then somehow we came to be. And what if that's their story? Like they might not have come here for adrenochrome, but maybe someone in their past.

Jack: So your argument is there's nothing native.

Cristina: No.

Jack: The Shadow Realm minus Adrenochrome is empty.

Cristina: Yes. Like, those are just babies of things that came here, came back over there, and then they're just stuck there because they're. They don't need it. Like their ancestor. Like we don't need it.

Jack: Problematic things like angels. And are we to assume angels are just also people who changed differently? Maybe the Neanderthals who took the f****** thing and then evolved to be these f****** things? What do we say about, like, reapers that are native to that realm?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Were they some other s*** on this side took it, went to that side and figured out they don't need it anymore? Are angels feral? Are reapers feral? Like, I don't know.

Cristina: It's complicated. I don't know.

Jack: So the problem is we didn't really investigate much into the Shadow Realm. We Got the surface data.

Cristina: So yeah, do more research.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Before we get in there, deep dive.

Jack: Into the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Maybe we can go through Yu Gi oh to find out Yu Gi oh.

Jack: Has the, the, the cards that are sent that'll send our souls there or whatever the f***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: How the f*** does that work?

Cristina: I don't know. The Shadow Realm is connected somehow to.

Jack: Yu Gi oh, bro.

Cristina: To Yu Gi oh.

Jack: Duel monsters.

Cristina: Yes. Are probably a lot like the monsters you would find in the shroud.

Jack: You tell me. I could find the blue eyes white dragon and a red eyes black dragon.

Cristina: You could find an angel maybe.

Jack: I mean maybe. Right. Like f*** it, like what's. Fair enough, fair enough. I mean every other bullshit that anybody's ever thought of turned out real. So like whatever. I guess there's probably a Red eyes black. That's badass. I could just catch. So that means like a pokeball is probably real.

Cristina: In the Shadow Realm.

Jack: In the Shadow Realm. We don't need to even invent one. We just need to find it. Yeah, maybe that's a lie. Maybe that was just a fantasy. But we can still invent it in theory and then go catch instead of. I mean it'd be cool to still have a wedge edge and a winningo, but like, I much rather have like a red eyes black dragon. That's hardcore. Or God, it's a stupid looking f****** groundhog. I don't really care much for God.

Cristina: But that'd be crazy. You throw a ball, he comes out, everyone's confused because it's just a groundhog.

Jack: But he has the power to destroy everything.

Cristina: Exactly. He just snaps his finger, they disappear.

Jack: And for whatever reason, the only power he doesn't have is the ability to defeat normal groundhog problems.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Including cages.

Cristina: Yes. So yeah, that sounds right.

Jack: Yeah. I think I'd rather have a Wendigo because could we build technology that could mind control God? He is still a demigod.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So like he's not impossible, but like.

Cristina: That'S why we need anything.

Jack: The huge problem here's problem, we need God to get to the cat people. The cat gods and their technology is then going to allow us to create tech to bring Wash God.

Cristina: Oh, it's.

Jack: We need one for the other no matter what.

Cristina: Yeah, okay. But we still have to understand their technology and whether it's actually technology or is it actual magic.

Jack: I mean, at this point it's probably just technology. It's completely possible. Adrenochrome got into the mix way long ago, created these hyper intelligent cat people. The Same way that later happened to us.

Cristina: And cockroach people.

Jack: Probably cockroach people. And apparently maybe just the theory, but the rabbit people inside the Death Star.

Cristina: Yes. I think this all. It checks out.

Jack: This checks out. Yeah. This is totally making sense. You know, all the pieces fall together.

Cristina: And so we gotta go into the.

Jack: Shadow Realm to get God. Interesting. Fascinating.

Cristina: Like, the person who's talking to Yu Gi. Oh, what is he? Is he an angel?

Jack: He is actually in the Shadow Realm, I think.

Cristina: Yeah, but what is he in the shadow Realm?

Jack: He's the spirit of a pharaoh.

Cristina: Dead people, man.

Jack: The Shadow Realm works a real way in that show, doesn't it? Yeah, he's the spirit of a guy who had, like, mystical powers.

Cristina: Ghosts can be in the shadow Realm?

Jack: Well, no. You're supposed to have taken adrenochrome so that when you die, you cross over to the shadow Realm. Oh.

Cristina: And he might have.

Jack: Okay, might have.

Cristina: We gotta go and check out that show then. Yes. I think that show will give us answers.

Jack: You think that show gives us answers? Yes, definitely. It would probably.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Tells us a lot. The fact that there was anybody in the shadow Realm and people were being sent to the shadow Realm and everybody had to participate in some sort of thing. A ritual of sorts.

Cristina: Exactly. You think they were drinking blood? I bet blood is involved.

Jack: I think blood is everything. Blood is life at this point.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. We're gonna find that out. We gotta rewatch Yu Gi. Oh, no, we don't. But we gotta research Yu Gi. Oh, for sure.

Jack: The weird thing is, which I don't understand. If Adrenochrome led apes to become humans. See, why does humans taking Adrenochrome not change us to something else?

Cristina: I thought they turned us into vampires or zombies.

Jack: It does. You're right.

Cristina: You got two results. I think zombies is if we stop taking it, and vampires if we continue taking it.

Jack: Interesting. Yeah, you're totally right. Which then brings up the next question. So we're a vampire. And we consume however much. So vampire is one of the milestones to becoming God.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So that there's no end. No, you'll continue to change.

Cristina: Yeah. Because that once you're a vampire, you have the ability to start transforming to other things.

Jack: I don't mean like shapeshift.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: I mean, like, how long does a vampire take Adrenochrome for before no longer a vampire.

Cristina: Oh, I don't know.

Jack: But. Because it looks like we can follow this line for everything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Well, so we get a werewolf. Well, we get a wolf becomes werewolf. Becomes a win thingo or wet judge.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, like there's a line and.

Cristina: Then it becomes something else eventually.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There is in Shinto and what was the other? Not Native American spiritualism, but something similar to that where there are spirit beasts, giant animal, like God, like creatures that protect areas. That sounds like a God.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That came through a animal.

Cristina: You don't know what that's from. How are you gonna do research on that?

Jack: No, I don't know. I could. I'll look it up.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I know Shinto has a lot of that going on, spirit beasts and stuff like that. But I know that there's a specific belief system.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That has, like, giant spirit animals guarding, like, the woods or the lakes and like that.

Cristina: That does sound like Shinto, though.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Yes.

Jack: Find that research, because that sounds like something that took a lot of adrenochrome. Never died to cross over, but kept taking adrenochrome and maybe transcended into the next thing.

Cristina: Yes, that could be it. Yep. Yep.

Jack: Which means God is where everything lands Long enough.

Cristina: Yeah. As long as they don't die.

Jack: As long as they don't die. It's just hard to live really long without some factor or another killing you.

Cristina: Or maybe even killing yourself. I don't know.

Jack: Or running out of a supply of adrenochrome.

Cristina: Or that. Yeah.

Jack: And then that making you feral.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That sending you to madness.

Cristina: Yep. Yeah. There's so many different ways it can go.

Jack: Yeah. It's kind of crazy.

Cristina: Right. Then now we have two things we gotta check out.

Jack: Yeah. We gotta go look at the Shadow Realm and see if we can find Jehovah in his real home.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Should be some sort of similar looking, but oddly different location from his home over here when he does manifest.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: The Shadow Realm looks like a copy of over here.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But also not simultaneously. So it should. We will know where to go look in Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Yes. That place.

Jack: And then finding out what belief system it is that has these beasts that seem to just be godlike versions of normal animals.

Cristina: Mm. And in Yu Gi. Oh. Wasn't there angels?

Jack: No.

Cristina: There wasn't a card where the person looked like an angel.

Jack: Oh. I mean, the cards are.

Cristina: Yeah, that's what I mean.

Jack: There was kind of everything. It was like a sentient clock.

Cristina: Oh, okay. That's like Pokemon.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I mean, all that s*** is weird. There's a bunch of. There's Dark Magician. Was he just a magician who crosses the Shadow Realm and now goes by dark?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You know, maybe. Man, are those cards based on f****** real things?

Cristina: Yes. We gotta check that out. That's part of the research that we gotta check out.

Jack: That's fair. I'm down.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Anyways, we're running out of time and. Yeah. So hopefully we can get those things done. Go into shadow realm, find Jehovah, throw a party. Throw a party?

Cristina: Yeah. With all the different people. What with Dave and Ish.

Jack: Oh, yeah. That's further down the line. Precedent is taken. By going to shadow Room, finding Jehovah and finding out what belief system was talking about, what seems to be animals have transcended through a dream to come all the way to God levels. Yes, that's useful.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Hopefully also my voice heals so that I can talk normal. And next time I'll just make a subhuman deal with the f****** groundhog or whatever other f****** creature, because that's annoying and I can't talk.

Cristina: Well, that'd be crazy.

Jack: If another groundhog bites you, that'd be crazy. It has to be radioactive and, like, give me some power.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, man. I want to dig. Cool.

Cristina: You dig with your teeth.

Jack: That'd be dope. Although I don't think they do that, but yeah. No, I want to dig. Awesome. Or stop biting me. Groundhogs. And I want to be a God, which is why we got to get God to bite me or whatever. But he's gonna first bite subhumans because.

Cristina: Let'S see what that to people who.

Jack: Have the best immune system in the universe. Anyways, if you guys like this conversation, other conversations like this, you could find them anywhere. You know, we have a bunch of stuff like that talking about God as a groundhog, actually how we got to the conclusion that he was a groundhog and all this. And originally when we were talking about groundhogs and adrenochrome in the Shadow Realm. And the Shadow Realm and the creatures from within the shadow Realm, there's a little bit of everything. We. We're building the big picture now. Yes, that's what we're doing. We're bringing all the separate pieces now. We're building the puzzle. If you guys want to find all that stuff, you can find it on the official website greatthoughts.info or on Apple podcasts or Spotify or anywhere you get your podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok at discount Vopod.

Jack: Yes. And also remember to subscribe and rate and review the show if you feel so inclined.

Cristina: And let someone who might like this show know about it?

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth is very important. And now you know that God is part of the shadow realm. Somebody might want to know that. Maybe you have some religious friends who are very in their religion, and you want them to know the truth. So you're gonna go every Sunday to their door, knock on the door and tell them, have you heard about Shadow Christ?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Do you want to let shadow Christ into your heart?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You can do that. All. All. All day, Every day.

Cristina: All day, Every day on Sunday.

Jack: All day, every day on Sunday. You knock on the door, be like, let shadow Christ into your heart.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they're gonna close the door because they think you're trolling, and you're gonna be like, this is what it feels like. Stop showing up in my f****** house every Sunday. Hit him right back. We're hurt.

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: The other day, I was thinking. I don't know what the made me think about this, but I was thinking about painting where the roadrunner. So it's the roadrunner and Wile E. Coyote.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And Wile E. Coyote paints a replica of the mountains behind them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then he puts the painting in the way of the road so that the roadrunner slams into the painting that's painted on. No, it's a road.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: It's like a steel brick or a brick wall or something he made with the painting on it, thinking that thing is gonna run into the wall and knock itself out. But then it just runs up the road in the painting.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then the coyote looks around at it, and he's like, what the f***? And then he tries to run into it and he just hits the brick.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I'm like. And I'm like, that's kind of meta, not just. Not meta. It's weird. It's. They were thinking about this sort of psychedelic psychology long before that was normal.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: It's like it's both reality and not.

Cristina: The roadrunner's reality isn't. What's it. The coyote's reality?

Jack: I mean, they share reality. I'm saying the. The distinction of the painting and the rest of the world. There's some sort of aspect there that's weird because he did run into the painting. And I'm like, what thought did the. Right. Did the creator have that the artist have when he came up with that? And how meta must you be thinking to imagine a drawing in which there's another drawing with a creature running into it from the first drawing. That's meta as f***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's complicated. And that just makes it part of the story.

Cristina: That's very strange. He travels through. He's like a time traveler, in a way. Those things could be real places.

Jack: But here's the. Here's a point. Even if it's not, it's not. It could be a real place, but that itself is not. That's the coyote's rendering.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that's not a location that exists anywhere but in the coyote's mind. So then the question is that the Roadrunner run into the coyote's mind? Well, not really. But like, this universe he made up became a real reality to the Roadrunner.

Cristina: Yes. Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister. With social media managed by Amber Black.

January 23, 2021

Rambling 117: Groundhog Day Shadow People

January 23, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

Just Conversation, Grounhog Day, Comedy, Holiday, Tradition, Shadow People

Exactly what happens on Groundhog day? Where did the tradition originate? And what are the deeper implications? A deep dive into Groundhog day and more.

Story:
Diving even deeper into the case of the shapeshifters, the duo realize that even national traditions have always been part of this great conspiracy of monster and politics. Unpacking the true implications of Groundhog Day takes the duo into previously uncharted territories and brings a new creature into play! What is it and how will they deal with the new found foe? All that and more on this episode of Just Conversation.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

Winter Solstice
Spring Equinox
Phil the Groundhog
Adrenochrome
Shadow People
Feral Shadow Figures
Media Manipulation
Ghosts
Fear
Jinn
Thought Forms
The Hat Man
E.T.
Aliens
Catholic Church

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast