Rambling 282: Clinton Road: The Menu Part 3: Significance
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Is there any starting point for researching this Forest surrounding Clinton Road? What could be the most pressing amongst the sea of oddities? What can be found on the other end? The duo unpack the last of the reports from Clinton Road. This time, the clearly important bits are discussed.
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Topics Discussed:
- Druid Activity
- Disappearances
- Satanic Panic
- UFO Sightings
- Mysterious Lights
- Floating Orbs
- Cross Castle
- Mutilated Animals
- Haunted Mines
- Gnome Sightings
- Invisible Barriers
- Creepy Carvings
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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.
Cristina: I'm your host, Christina.
Jack: And this is the show where you and I ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideals. Yeah, no, that's legit, bruh. But okay, so recap, recap. Last time on Dragon Ball Z, for anybody who wasn't paying attention, Clinton Road for the hundredth billionth time, many years later, except now we have a lot of information to relook at it with. And so we've broken up the excess of things we have discovered. And we have separated into three categories, of which we discussed two already. Ones are echoes. Any long term listener understands an echo is a type of ghost that doesn't interact with anything. It's just literally a repeating something that isn't there.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Then phantoms on the shadow episode, probably shadow people, which is probably shadow people or other things that are just aware and they're physically and are aware of you and try to interact or can react. Those are not echoes. They're not just there not being responsive. They are there explicitly being responsive.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And then today. Well, to clarify, in the echoes episode, we had some little details that the point of that was we were basically going down all the major events that happened in Clinton Road, breaking them up into these three categories. And with the echoes episode, it was to completely remove what we know isn't doing anything. But the point of discussing that to begin with was maybe something sticks out and is relevant. Which we have found a couple of things that we should look into. Because of the nature of those things, particularly intense distortions, directions, we could be looking at, whether it be a different realm or into the future to see how we can possibly determine something's happening. These kinds of details you've acquired. The phantoms episode was a sin. Well, the shadow episode is the same idea where we're trying to unpack phantoms. Phantoms are what we call the creatures that do interact, but we normally call ghosts. We've created a distinction. The phantoms are the type of ghosts that can interact, and they're usually just things in the shadow realm that you're interacting with.
Cristina: Yes. And they're spooky.
Jack: Yeah. A lot of them can be definitely.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Some of them are trolls. A pickup truck was definitely a troll.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Today's episode is the last part of our branch as we go through the Clinton Road menu.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And this is a collection of all the things That I know factually as we go down. Each one of these points is important. Without a doubt.
Cristina: It's all important.
Jack: It's all important. These are the things that all the. The other two sections were composed of things that, I don't know, could or could not be.
Cristina: But these relate to what we're trying to figure out.
Jack: This has ghosts, this has phantoms, this has tech. It's again, everything relevant that was factually relevant.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: That wasn't in the other two lists. The other two list was just composed of those respective subjects, but that was unclear.
Cristina: May or may not be important.
Jack: Yeah, these are definitely important. And have things that should be on those two lists if they weren't obvious.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Every thing here matters now. Okay. The problem is that there was no way to order this more efficiently because of how important everything on this list is. So it's not like I can escalate gradually.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So I'm just gonna go for the number one thing here because it's the easiest for us to just kind of get into the groove and start to unpack this. But it is quite commonly stated and believed that human creatures. Human people. Not creatures. People. People. Humans. Humans.
Cristina: Humans. Okay.
Jack: Also wander these woods around Clinton Road. We know this.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: I personally saw an individual doing something weird. Doing something weird. There was a town, like, adrift in this location where nothing else can get to. There are people now. Where it gets weird is the dialogue people have used to describe the people they have seen.
Cristina: These aren't normal people or they're not. They're. It's obvious that they're doing something sketchy.
Jack: There you go. Yeah. It's more about what they're doing, not who they are.
Cristina: Yeah. Okay.
Jack: So the stories are of cloaked figures, which we know. I personally saw a dude. And they're said to have been seen or glimpsed performing rituals of all sorts in the woods. And the word most commonly used to describe these individuals by people who are informed scholars who search for what people are talking about. Oh, it's spooky and blah, blah, blah. No, it's probably just this. The this they use is Druids. They believe they are Druid activity. Let's simplify. Druid people who work with occult things. Let's specify occult things in the context we're very familiar with. We're in a high energy displacement space time, problematic area. And people have seen cloaked individuals performing things that they would describe as magic if it wasn't technology.
Cristina: Yes. Crazy.
Jack: There was probably a necromancer there at some Point.
Cristina: Okay. Okay.
Jack: That would fit what a druid is.
Cristina: Yeah. A necromancer.
Jack: There could have been.
Cristina: Which I guess, like St. Patrick. He would probably be described as a druid.
Jack: He would be described as a druid. Correct.
Cristina: Yes. Because what we know is they're in hoods. They usually have some kind of staff.
Jack: With a stone either in the staff or in a necklace.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: There's definitely a dialogue they're using with intention. And again, the fact that they use this word to describe it kind of reframes immediately the guy I saw instantaneously. You're not a KKK member, dude. You black? You're black. Black. So you're some other s***. But now let's take a step back. We use the word druid. Druid in this context means a magical individual. All the magical individuals we've known. I'm about to ask you to say something I haven't said myself yet. So put your thinking cap on. Where are they from? This is not a difficult question. Where are the people we have talked about doing magic from? Not which country. Which region?
Cristina: Which region?
Jack: Easy.
Cristina: I don't know. It's not a country.
Jack: Not a country.
Cristina: Not a country. The sea people. No. What region?
Jack: Where is Iran? Where is the Middle East? The Middle East.
Cristina: They're doing magic.
Jack: Oh, God. Okay, I got a. Let me grab your hand and walk you through it. The Middle east is the only mention we've seen of every single necromancer, every single magic activity has ever happened that began with somebody wearing a hood. It happened in the Middle East. We have no outside source that ever had a necromancer, ever had somebody who fit these descriptions anywhere else. It's always been in the Middle East.
Cristina: What about Sansa? He's in the North Pole. And the guy, Merlin? He's not in the Middle East.
Jack: They're not wearing hoods. I used these words so specifically. Guys doing magic wearing hoods is literally what I just said. Those individuals have only. We've only found mentions of them in the Middle East. Now another question I have not explicitly said, but is the obvious answer to this. They are in the Middle East. What is their skin color? Not a hard question.
Cristina: They're brown.
Jack: Darker than brown. Oh, they're very bronze.
Cristina: Is this important?
Jack: The guy in the woods that's wearing a hood is dark. I don't. How are you not connecting these dots, bro? Okay, I'm gonna stop trying to get you guessing.
Cristina: Are they saying the same thing, though, in their description?
Jack: No, I'm telling you what I personally Saw.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: They're saying there's druids in the woods and he's wearing. They're wearing, you know, they got cloaks and they're doing the things that, you know, necromancers fit. And then I saw a dude wearing a robe and it so happened to be a D skinned dude.
Cristina: Yes, dude.
Jack: The dots are connecting. But no, no worries. I'm gonna just connect all the dots and I'm gonna just flat out explain that.
Cristina: Like, did they describe it like that too?
Jack: No, I would have said that. But the point is I'm making the connection that there's a dude with robe.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: In the place where they're saying there's people with robes doing things and we see him with a machete. Then we get to a animal sacrifice. Like, all the parts are just lining up.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: No explanation required, but I will continue to just explain it instead of asking. But the point being that's definitely fitting the suit. Dark skinned dude in a robe definitely did something sketchy with an animal.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And he's walking away from it. That's what I see. But that just fits them. Talking about rituals being performed in the woods by druids.
Cristina: That's crazy.
Jack: That's weird. Now I wouldn't have put those things. I was thinking KKK. That's. At the entire time, since 15 years ago when it happened, I've only thought, yeah, it's okay. But it doesn't make sense to have that thought because this guy is dark also.
Cristina: What does it do you have to do with a kkk?
Jack: Yeah, like, well, the area is drowning with them. That's a very, very KKK present area. But why would he be a member? Unless he's a troll who's using it to, like, disappear into. But he was visibly just walking around. You could see his arms. You can see, you know, and it's like, okay, it has a KKK vibe, but I can see your face. So it's not a hood that's literally covering your face. The assumption was, you know, he has it lifted and, like resting on his head. But maybe it's just a literal hood, not a mask. And maybe you're in a robe, not a cloak.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And maybe you were performing a ritual.
Cristina: Just out there like that. That's kind of crazy.
Jack: Literally what they say happens.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Rituals in the woods.
Cristina: Yeah, but you weren't in the woods. You're so.
Jack: You wouldn't have to literally be in the woods. They're not in a building would be the point of staying in the woods. It's outdoors. They're outdoors. Performing sketchy things would be the sort of general idea here.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: They're not hidden doing it because otherwise how would people see them? I'm sure that in the woods has meant some people have seen them on the street as well, just, like, doing weird things.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And so you move around them. At least that's what we saw. And the thing is, all of us saw that. All of us saw the animal, and all of us saw the dude. It was unclear what the dude was holding. Two of us thought machete, two of us thought shotgun. But by the time we get to the animal, there's kind of not really a debate here because it's sliced open. Two of us are right, two of us are wrong.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But weird. Anyways, the other weird part about that moment, that quote druid, unquote, is that moment of the machete or the shotgun, because what. How could we not tell? But let's back up and talk about what we know about Clinton Road and what we know about the shadow realm. Clinton Road has high distortions. That guy might have not even been present. That guy could have been in the shadow realm, and we were seeing the distortions of the shadow realm. That would explain both happening.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: It's a distorted image of somebody on the other side.
Cristina: Yes, but did the deer look like it was from.
Jack: Well, no, the deer was cleared on this side.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And maybe he used whatever he got from the deer.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And we were seeing him phase in the middle. The veil was thinnest right after he took it.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Because he needed the veil to thin for him to cross. And then we're seeing him slowly distorting more and more as it goes through his system and he crosses over to the other side. Weird.
Cristina: Okay, but he didn't, like, disappear in front of you guys. Like, it wasn't, like, that type of spookiness, was it?
Jack: So the debate that we had following this moment, because we're driving and then he's in the back mirror, we assumed it just got so dark that there's, like, a threshold that you just instantly get sucked into the dark.
Cristina: Yeah. Okay. So, like, it appeared like he disappeared.
Jack: It appeared like he tried to make.
Cristina: It make sense, but it could just.
Jack: Be that, again, we were in a car, he was on foot. Like, the dark could have just swallowed him instantly. Beyond some point, he did get smaller and smaller and suddenly gone, which is possible. It's totally possible. We were also spooked by the fact that we just saw some random dude out here in the woods with the machete or shocker. So, yeah, we're maybe not focused. It's already, you know, the sits, the place and the situations already getting to us a little.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But we'll leave that there. Who knows? The next one is this. This is one we're definitely gonna have to unpack in detail one day.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: There are giant lists. Giant lists of people who've gone into these words and never been seen before. Like, again, they're just gone.
Cristina: They're just gone.
Jack: Gone. People missing in these woods all the time. All the time. They disappear. These woods are not big enough for. So for there to be lists and nobody to find them, just. It's not big enough. You'd find them. You'd find them. You'd send crazy search parties and find them.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Nobody's been found. They're just gone. Everybody. All of them.
Cristina: How long is the list at the moment?
Jack: About 300 people.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh.
Jack: Okay, spread out, spread out. It's not like 300 people last year.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Like, through all the time, we've recorded about 300 people wandered, never been seen.
Cristina: Again for like 200 years. For a hundred.
Jack: For the past maybe like 30 years. That's a lot.
Cristina: Oh, okay. 330 years. Whoa.
Jack: Yeah, that's a lot. There's people wandering and vanishing and wandering and vanishing.
Cristina: You know, if there's, like, groups of.
Jack: People that disappeared as well, like entire groups have vanished. Yes.
Cristina: What is that?
Jack: Well, there's an answer for what that is based on the fact that they vanish in an area that shouldn't be so easy to lose so many people. Where are they going?
Cristina: Someone's eating them up.
Jack: I guess they're going to slip into the other side. Yeah. Yeah, they're. They're falling through some of these thin places into different times or falling into different spaces.
Cristina: Oh, you think different times.
Jack: They could just go through one and. I mean, they're still the one that overlooks the lake and is always looking into a time in which there are people at the la.
Cristina: Yeah. And there's. There's a spot like the. The tall grass in there as well.
Jack: There could be. Where everything is intersecting. Yeah. Once you're in your track, that'd be crazy. Maybe that's what they are. Maybe there is a situation like that going on.
Cristina: Those are crazy.
Jack: I would argue the tall grass is kind of based on some concept like that that somebody, you know once read about or something, and, oh, how interesting. And it's like. That's kind of real, man. It's kind of Kicking around reality a little bit crazy.
Cristina: But it could also be that they're being killed off because, like, who knows what's in there? All these stories of monsters.
Jack: Like, not even.
Cristina: They gotta eat.
Jack: Not even stories of monsters. Let's go to how people try to explain this. Because that's the next important thing.
Cristina: How they try.
Jack: How they try to explain it. This takes us back to the castle. They believe that Luciferians inhabit the castle and that their cults operate in that area, leaving behind strange symbols. This is literally written, as I'm saying it. Symbols and sacrifices of unfamiliar animals. Now, how would we identify a Luciferian? Well, you're just guessing who they are. A Luciferian who's performing a ritual would be indistinguishable from a Druid, wouldn't it? Yes, except you call them a cult. You're saying an individual is a Druid and a group is a Luciferian. Why couldn't there be a group of Druids?
Cristina: Yes. And they're sacrificing Shadow Realm creatures.
Jack: Shadow Realm creatures. Now we're getting to something.
Cristina: Yeah, weird.
Jack: There are symbols which are transmutations. You can convince me of anything else. You could not convince me. S*** else is happening. Strange symbols, huh? That's too familiar.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And then unfamiliar creatures being sacrificed. There is some sort of a portal somewhere around here that distorted everything. Those creatures are coming in and they're bringing them in. Or something happened in the future, in the past. This is the hotspot and they're keeping it safe. Hence the sacrifices. It's not sacrifices. They're killing whatever comes through that shouldn't be here.
Cristina: But then how, if they're keeping it safe, like they're still mad people going missing.
Jack: That's why they need to be there, keeping it safe. If they're keeping it safe, what would happen if they weren't?
Cristina: Oh, okay, so you're saying it'd be so much worse.
Jack: It'd be so much worse. At least they can keep it contained in the woods of Clinton Road. You see? Now, if they're the ones causing it, then we are talking about an area, and this is gonna. I don't know how the f*** I didn't think about this last week when we were talking about the Phantoms in the Shadow episode. But I literally mentioned that the Vikings had created a forest through continuous sacrifices in order to stay in contact, be able to traverse and communicate with things from the other side. How the f*** is this any different than that?
Cristina: No, it's the same thing. They're probably talking to A co. Uncle God.
Jack: Hella people go missing. That sounds kind of accurate to what the Viking were doing.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Creatures from who knows where. People hear voices when they're there. People slip in and out of places they're unfamiliar with. Everything jumbles around.
Cristina: The same story, just a different location.
Jack: Yes. It's a modern day portal location. It's a sacred forest to cross into the shadow Realm in Clinton Road.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: The argument is whatever the h*** happened once we crossed Paradise Road into the town of paradise, we weren't on this side anymore. That's why it was jumbled. But then we didn't consume anything to get there.
Cristina: No.
Jack: So we must have been on this side and it was just because again, if the steps that we're talking about are as we're talking about them, then the Druid I did see needed the thing to cross. We didn't consume anything. So we were watching a really hot spot on this side of that side. Yeah. We were just watching that side essentially. Without being there.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Like the thinnest part of the veil.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Without crossing. And so it behaves almost like we're over there.
Cristina: Yeah. But you need something to actually be there.
Jack: So then this brings up another question. Is it possible to thin the veil so much? It's almost the same place.
Cristina: Like you don't need anything.
Jack: Like you don't need anything. If that's what's happening in paradise, then paradise is an actual. And listen to me what I'm about to say, this makes so much sense. If paradise is just the thinning of the veil, then you can coexist. When people from the other side. We go back to the origin of Halloween and Christmas and all these things when they will go to these graveyards. It's where the veil is very, very, very, very thin. And they can just people who are dead and. But also be careful. There's creatures there who might harm you. There is a town in Norway where there are people from the shadow realm, people from Elfim and people from earthrealm living together. In no moment that we ever come across a line that said anybody crossed anything to get there, we just know they're there together. There's two locations like that. That's just one of them. Is it possible that these locations are extremely focused so that you don't need anything and people don't have to cross, but you can still see people from the other side. Additionally, in situations like the judge sleeping in somewhere, these spots, it would just be one. He never went in.
Cristina: He never went in. No. That makes it make so much sense.
Jack: He abused the knowledge of being in this twisted place repeatedly and got familiar because the veil is so thin. It's not the same place.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: He didn't slip anywhere. And he could see them like they're standing in front of him even if they're not.
Cristina: Yeah. And his sister probably took something though, once they. She made the deal with the other girl or whatever.
Jack: The other girl actually. They both actually crossed. But they had to learn how to do it.
Cristina: Yeah. But I don't think he did.
Jack: I don't think he did. I think there's a. I think there are places within veils where you can just interact and it's the same place the them into us. And we haven't thought about this before, but it checks out. Because the way that fear thins the veil.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Means you could get it if you can just keep applying the same logic and never have adrenochrome. You never bring adrenochrome into the equation. You just keep applying more and more and more and more and more and more fear.
Cristina: That's why you were there. But it was different.
Jack: But it was different. But there are conflicts to this theory. What Twin towers fall. There's a crazy amount of fear. New York didn't suddenly shift.
Cristina: It's not a hot spot.
Jack: It would have created a hotspot. If the fear is what's doing it. Or are we talking that you need to create technologies to thin the veil to this point?
Cristina: Possibly.
Jack: So from the other side creatures can come to this. I would fear alone. But we need some catalyst.
Cristina: Yeah. Because we see all this time distortion thing going on. That's not happening.
Jack: That's not happening over there.
Cristina: No.
Jack: Another theory for the same idea of the thinning veil is what if it's literally the same thing to get across. How do I put it? We need fear. They can see us. What if there's something on that side they have to do and then we see them give a point. What's the fear equivalent?
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: If it's one to one, what's over there that we need over here to suddenly start seeing them? Ooh, we haven't thought about that.
Cristina: I don't know. That's tricky. I don't know.
Jack: But makes sense.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: If that's the case and is the kids in the playground who aren't there, they could get scared and then that, you know, thins that area a little more because foreign and exciting and. Oh my God. Well, we're kind of spooked out. There's people camping out there looking for things too, from the other side.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It could be just as scared.
Cristina: So you think it works both ways? The fear itself.
Jack: Both sides are horrified because it's a fun place to go be scared.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And so both sides are going and kind of scaring each other, not knowing. Oh, my God. There's something over there. People. People. It's just people.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: There are things. There's dangerous things. There's wolves and there's bears and there's snakes and poisonous and birds and crap and weird chimeras and. But also on the other side too. Just whatever things they got. But also they see weird things. But it's just us and we see weird things and it's just them.
Cristina: That's. Agree. That makes sense.
Jack: Makes so much sense.
Cristina: Yeah. It's just fear works the same over there as it does over here. Okay.
Jack: And if it's not literally fear, we can just put the value of X and call it fear. Anyways, they have something.
Cristina: We got something that works the same.
Jack: Interesting. Useful, right? Yes, interesting. Everything on this list is useful. It's important. And in like crazy thought reframing.
Cristina: Wow. Yeah.
Jack: So there's definitely something weird going on. I don't know if they're causing it or trying to contain it. Unclear. That's what we need to be looking at that castle for.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But it brings up the theory that there is something going on. And then the Druid himself walking through having gotten some ambrosia, fades away because he crossed over. Meaning you do need the thing to cross over. But then we connect the fact that we didn't consume anything when we were in paradise and it seemed that we.
Cristina: Did crossover some event happening is important. The time distortion thing, because we would have these still anywhere. Like, why is this the spot?
Jack: No, 100%. 100%. I do agree. I think this is an overlap of many things.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: I think things happened here either on the other side in the future or in the past. And that created just enough disturbances had to happen so long ago or so far in the future or somewhere we just can't find that then makes us not know what this is. And it's just a unique place that we can't be like, oh, no. It's unique because of that. We don't have that answer. So we're just like, oh, it's weird and spooky and that gets people excited to go there. And then that sort of perpetuates the fuel of fear and crap.
Cristina: But something had to start.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Not sure where, when, but something yeah.
Jack: The distortion seems to be unrelated to the spooky s***, even if it kind of resulted in it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It's just this came first and it allowed for other s*** to happen and now this s*** happens as a result of the curiosity from that s***. But it's still a super hot spot because it's where the thing, whatever happened.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So it's kind of like all of the things overlapping in one spot, making it this kind of complicated amalgamation of all the things we would define as ghosts and horror and mysterious. Now this brings us to the next part, which is again why we have to start looking in this area more seriously. Because the next sentence, I must say it as they describe it, but then we know really what it means, which is there are quite a hefty number of reports that identify flying objects that could only be described by the individuals as aliens.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: UFOs everywhere. We know who the UFO are.
Cristina: The sea people.
Jack: The sea people.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And this is a hot spot that all this ghost activity and then we have UFOs. No, they're observing and probably landing places and checking out. Because they're probably the ones with s***.
Cristina: Yeah. They probably end up doing something there that causes whatever to happen to happen.
Jack: Exactly. You tell me UFOs. I know who we're talking about. You tell me UFOs over weird time lapse hot spots within places and shadow realm creatures. I'm like, bro, yeah. There's only one group of people that's doing this.
Cristina: Yes. And they're a group of scientists. Anyway, like obviously they're doing something weird, even if it's to stop themselves from doing the weird thing. Like some kind of Star Trek thing.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: They end up doing it anyways.
Jack: But then this tells us something else interesting. They do come out because these sightings are recent. The spot is recent. This is all recent.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: This is the first mention we have modern day of something that is probably the sea people. Now. It would just be UFO and people being crazy if it wasn't where the f*** it is.
Cristina: Yeah. But is the same thing. Does that happen in the ranch that we were talking about a while ago?
Jack: Yes. So, yes. UFOs drowning in there.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Weird, right? I mean, that was the whole thing we're talking about. It's paranormal, but it really means just ghosts and aliens and it's like.
Cristina: Yeah, yes, yes, yes.
Jack: There's a pattern here where you have a lot of quote, ghost unquote activity. You have aliens and it's like neither one of these are what you guys think they are.
Cristina: And before those stories, you had fairy story.
Jack: Yeah. In the same places.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Oh, interesting. In both places. Kind of painting a lovely. It's becoming too easy to find what we're looking for.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: The. In the collective of what they don't know is all one thing. Paints us the picture we're looking for. Kind of crazy, right?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Now deeper into the rabbit hole. We got creatures that are unfamiliar, creatures that are likely familiar things that are probably the scientists. We know rituals. We got thinning veils. We got the clear shadow realm overlap. We got weird things everywhere.
Cristina: Everywhere. Yeah.
Jack: And then people say they see what they could only describe as sentient lights or orbs moving through the woods, responding to people and avoiding people. Usually the size of a softball.
Cristina: That sounds familiar.
Jack: I'm thinking fairies. I'm thinking this s*** has everything still to this moment.
Cristina: Till this moment.
Jack: I think all of it is in there. I think these are fairies and we're seeing what they would look like without coming through.
Cristina: Mmm.
Jack: We're seeing the shadow realm equivalent of fairies. Never thought about it. How would they look like if they didn't come fully, but they were still on their side watching us, if we thinned that veil.
Cristina: Interesting, because I. I don't know if we've talked about fairies like that.
Jack: Never cross our minds. It would apply the same. If it's all the same.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It would just be a different direction, but the same idea.
Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. They just see them moving around.
Jack: That's like an impossible to catch. Impossible. Just super fast. And seem to, like, not be phased by creatures. And just totally like the overpowered thing that doesn't care about anything is that orb. And it's like, weird. I can't confirm it's a fairy. I cannot.
Cristina: No, but.
Jack: But, like, what else could we be talking about? Yeah, we'll pin that as fairy for now.
Cristina: Mm. Could be a shadow realm creature.
Jack: Yeah, it could be. But the fact that it's a light kind of argue because the shadow realm. They named the shadow realm because of its dark characteristics.
Cristina: Yes. Yeah.
Jack: The fact that this is bright, a bright glowing orb, it's like, oh, okay. That's some whole other thing you're talking about.
Cristina: Okay. You know, yeah, that makes sense.
Jack: But yeah, that. That one caught my attention because I'm like, I've never thought about this, but I could only explain this as the opposite of the shadow realm, which I would say is all fame and, like, how would they look like if these guys look like shadows but they're not?
Cristina: What would the other guys look like?
Jack: They would look like light even if they're not. And definitely the most important thing here is Cross Castle, which is specifically the ruins of the castle that it's said to be haunted by spirits and consistently visited by alien presence. Which is like, bro, it's always being like, aliens are always a UFO's always hanging around. It's like, brother, come on, you just tell me.
Cristina: The Druids are doing rituals.
Jack: That's where Luciferians are at.
Cristina: Yeah, it's.
Jack: It's obviously there. Yeah. You're telling me aliens are watching Luciferians in a place where they're performing rituals and when weird creatures come out of. Come on, bro, that is.
Cristina: That's too much.
Jack: That's too much happening all in one place. None of this is coincidence. The fact that people are talking about it like it's random. Separate is stupid to me.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Like you guys really think all this separate is happening simultaneously? Just maybe it's all one thing. Whoa. Yeah. As I go through it, it's just gonna get dumber because it's gonna be so obvious. You don't even need any of the information we've uncovered to really understand what's happening.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: At this point, like, bro, obviously, obviously. But yeah. So Cross Castle, that's gonna be the main focal point. And I think as we unpack all of the details that matter to all these right now we're just skimming through, and then we're gonna truly deep dive into all these things. We're. We're in here for the long.
Cristina: Starting at Cross Castle, right?
Jack: No, we're ending at Cross Castle. That is the last point we will get to.
Cristina: All right.
Jack: Because I'm sure when we get to that, all the other points are going to become null and void. So I want to leave that for last so that we just don't run out of s***.
Cristina: All right.
Jack: But Cross Castle will be the very last visit out of all the things we deem are important here. Now, revisiting the mysterious animals that seem to be unknown, there are a couple of things that ring familiar with the descriptions of these animals. Now, oftentimes are considered exotic because people are just unfamiliar with the animals that there are. But there are two descriptions that ring very powerfully. There is an old research paper of a journalist who was digging through these things, John McLean. And John, in looking at these things, says a nearby zoo had animals escape. According to their mention, the zoos.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But it seems that there was no forced entry upon police speculation. So it must have been a clean job. It's a zoo. There's no such thing as a clean job. So they gave the animals to somebody. That's weird. One fact random. Other note from a different. These are not journalists, these are people, okay, describing what they've seen, claim that the animals they witnessed are hybrid animals. Chimeras, literally.
Cristina: We do know about a scientist that was working on chimeras in real life.
Jack: Though, about many sciences.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Now where this becomes relevant is when we look at what was taken from the zoo. Lions went missing.
Cristina: Sea people's favorite animal.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Okay, yeah. Were there horses?
Jack: Horses went missing, huh? You got anything else? You're on point.
Cristina: Those are the only two main ones I can think of.
Jack: Horses went missing, lions went missing, eagles went missing.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: You see where we're going? It's just visually on point.
Cristina: We got the flying horse. The flying horse.
Jack: Eagle, flying lion. Oh, exactly. What the we're supposed to be seeing is what went missing from the. And no broken entry. How'd you take eagles? How'd you take horses? How do you take lions? No broken entry. Come on, you serious? That's a breeding ground. Those animals were donated, by the way.
Cristina: They're donated.
Jack: They were donated to the zoo. Oh, zoo's in on something, isn't it? Oh, you see, it's weird lines. It's like we don't even need to dig deep to understand some of these pictures. You tell me exactly what's missing over there is what people saw. Hybrid over here. What are the odds?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Just a coincidence, you know, just like they think isn't this is unrelated to that. It's just all random coincidence. It just so happened to be that only horses, lions and eagles are stolen and you see hybrid lion, horse, eagles over there. It's fine, it's unrelated.
Cristina: Unrelated. Okay, you're going.
Jack: You jump into speculation, man. What are the odds that exactly what's taken over there shows up over there? Fused.
Cristina: Were there any other animals taken?
Jack: No. Okay, horses, lions and eagles specifically. Yeah, no broken entry. The two explanations are escaped and were stolen in neither case could have happened. No, neither could have happened. You guys had to open and let them be taken. That's the only way. Yeah, crazy random details, not saying any of this means anything for anybody who thought this was always just coincidence after seeing everything put together. But whatever, you know, total coincidences. Then we get still on the topic of animals, what people describe as. And we know exactly what these are. Phantom animals, ghostly sightings of long dead pets, including dogs, cats, appearing alone in these areas. Very interesting detail here that these ghost creatures are pets. And that they're in this area because it would be the place where you would see the things from the other side. And if the veil is incredibly thin, then if you live in the area, your dog looking for you follows your scent like a wetchudge would and lands in Clinton Road tracking you. And then you see your long lost dog who's been dead for a while.
Cristina: Do they say like if they behave like an echo or.
Jack: No, these are just fully. Yeah, they feel like these are actually phantoms interacting and like. Oh my God, is that my dog? Oh my God. And then disappears.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: And it's like. Okay.
Cristina: This makes sense to be a spot where they'd.
Jack: Exactly. Where they would pop up. This fits the graveyard.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: That very well. People will go there because it's just a beacon for dead s***. And then you can go see your loved ones there.
Cristina: Yeah, yeah.
Jack: This could be the same thing. It's just a beacon for dead s***. And anybody who lives close maybe comes here to scare themselves once in a while, but your s*** is already in there somewhere. And once in a while you might just cross paths and see it. So I think that's very interesting. Weirdly and. Yeah. Yeah. It's weirdly enough. A lot of the visitors, like, this is my first time here. Like I saw my dog in there. It's like. Yeah, it's a beacon for deadship. Yeah, it's the hot spot. One of the. The other point that this makes me think about if the Vikings had one and we have one. Every major populated wooded area where people go missing is probably some s*** like this.
Cristina: Yeah, you gotta look into every.
Jack: There's an easy one. Japan has a forest of death where people allegedly go and commit suicide.
Cristina: Yes. There's gotta be weird stories coming out of there. If anyone just goes in there, they go in for the stories, but they see other s***. They gotta.
Jack: Yeah, I am sure now with the perspective this all we ever get more information. And then it enlightens other situations. And now we know this is probably the same as the Vikings place, which means we have a second one of these. But if there's two, then there are more.
Cristina: So much more. Yes, yes, yes.
Jack: There has to be a lot. And if we're talking Japan has the forest of death and Jesus went to Japan.
Cristina: That has been chosen for a reason. Okay.
Jack: F****** force is old, bro. Ours isn't. That forest is.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: That's been spooky to people for millennia.
Cristina: Yes. There's got to be some kind of energy or something that is involved.
Jack: Something. There is More important, Jesus himself thought that.
Cristina: Mm
Jack: Now we move to the next part of this. Here we're talking about undeniable s*** that we don't have to theorize about. Specifically with the next thing I'm about to say. People have found items in the woods that they believe look like cursed artifacts and relics. They use the term magic. That oftentimes when somebody tries to reach one of this, they've seen these artifacts begin to glow.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: Or behave weird. Oh, it looks like a rock. And when I try to reach for the symbols on it light up or something. And it's like, maybe you're just looking at technology.
Cristina: Fairy technology, Shadow Room technology, Elysian technology.
Jack: Why would it look like our stuff unless it was made by earthlings. Okay, which would be the.
Cristina: But you said cursed.
Jack: They're describing it as cursed.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: People who don't know who wandered through the woods. All of this is just people who don't know. Every description we've given, there's people who don't know and they say cursed. They see a piece of stone with symbols on it, they reach for it and it glows. And they're like, it's cursed. That's an uninformed assessment of a piece of technology you're looking at.
Cristina: Okay. Okay.
Jack: Of course, anything sufficiently advanced enough would look like magic. That makes sense. Oh, I reached for it lit up. It's cursed. It's woods with Luciferians. There seem to be demons in here. And then I find a rock with a diabolical looking symbol. I reach for and it lit up. It's cursed. Checks the narrative. It checks out with the narrative they're painting. Yes, but that means that there's so much activity here that there have been pieces of technology left, left, right. That means that some Alicians maybe have been killed in these woods running experiments. And like a wet judge breaks out.
Cristina: And like, off them, something horrible is happening there. So currently, not just in the future, is there something gonna happen, but there's.
Jack: Something currently happening, energy wise, we don't know. But we do know, activity wise, never stopped.
Cristina: Never stop.
Jack: We don't know if there's a giant machine being run, a machine that was run, or a machine that's gonna be run and where it's at. Exactly. We don't know any of that, but we do know activity wise, since the moment it began, it has not stopped.
Cristina: It's not gonna stop. And it's not gonna stop. Looks like it's not gonna stop.
Jack: Interesting.
Cristina: Yes. And I wonder if we'll see these items Again, yes.
Jack: So I actually have mad stars next to that now. Because we've found images of technology from the past. I want to see what the f*** there. Somebody had to be brave enough and pick one up and be like. Or took a photo on their phone or something. You know, show it to me. So I'm gonna dig and find something. I want to see what it looks like. And then. Is it in a book? Can we find a hieroglyph with an image of it? Yeah, you know, anything. Just give me one image and I will cross reference everything under the sun until I find something.
Cristina: We're gonna find something.
Jack: We have to. They. It's. It's more than one person saying this happened.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: There are cursed artifacts that people have talked about. It's like, okay, okay, now we're on to something. And that's unquestionably something obvious.
Cristina: Yeah. But when I think of like, if they're gonna call something cursed, does that mean something happened to the people? You know?
Jack: Like, no, they don't know. They're. If they're reporting it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Nothing happened to them. They just don't know what they were looking at.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Like, if they're telling you about it, they made it out.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Otherwise they wouldn't worry about the thing. They'd be like, people died in the wood, you know?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: They're like, no, I saw a weird thing. It was probably cursed.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Like, okay, then nothing happened. They're just using s***** language because they don't know better.
Cristina: Alright.
Jack: They don't know no better.
Cristina: You gotta check that out though.
Jack: So coming back to the idea of animal rituals, the. This is so related to me. Pretty often people find mutilated animals. That's just like a literal report. Mutilated animals usually on the curbside or roadside. Yeah. And the, the exact descriptions go like, they find animals in the woods. They're speculated to be result of the occult rituals. Oftentimes opened from the chest down to the belly button. You know, kind of that area.
Cristina: That's what you think you saw?
Jack: That's literally what I saw. Literally what I saw.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Literally what I saw. Yep. The deer cut straight from its neck all the way to its private parts and then just opened. That's it.
Cristina: And it looked like it just happened.
Jack: It looked like it just happened. I didn't think about this next part until this very moment. And now I'm disturbed because I think about this next part until this very moment. I've told you a thousand times about that deer.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: I never once saw blood on him or the deer. That's f****** weird. I never thought about that for the last 15 years. Never crossed my mind. There was no blood. Not a bit. I told you. I even f****** walked and was looking at it up close. I was amazed by what the f*** I was looking at. The guy was in a white robe.
Cristina: Yeah. No blood.
Jack: No blood did cross my mind when nobody questioned anything.
Cristina: The deer. No blood.
Jack: Deer, no blood.
Cristina: Mmm.
Jack: Weird.
Cristina: Weird, yes.
Jack: Now I have less idea what I saw. That's weird. Now I have less idea what I saw. I don't remember any blood. I don't know why. I don't know why the f*** doesn't cross my mind.
Cristina: So right now the whole situation's weird.
Jack: Yeah, it is f****** strange as h***. This strange one spectral fog. So a thick, unnatural fog that rolls in suddenly, obscuring vision and often causing travelers to lose their way. Now people say this fog is so confusing, it feels like the Roger movie. Is this fog literally what it looks like? When the veil is thinning more, you're seeing the other side, so it looks unclear.
Cristina: Yes. When you saw. But you didn't see fog?
Jack: I didn't see fog, no. But also we crossed something.
Cristina: Yeah, I don't know.
Jack: I don't know. Something to look at. I got everything here. Something to look at. All of it somehow relevant.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: We've never heard this before. First mention of a fog that rolls in right before things start to jumble up.
Cristina: But you saw things jumbling up and no fog.
Jack: No fog. I saw a jumbled up mess and I never saw fog.
Cristina: Strange. I don't know.
Jack: Okay, let me do some f****** rapid fire. Running out of time. G******. Okay, okay. This is important as f*** because I didn't even know this existed. I only found. This is one of the. It's towards the bottom of this list because it's one of the last things I found. Just looking through this and I'm like, what the f***? Nobody's ever mentioned this. There are mines out there. Mine, mine. There's old mine tunnels said to be haunted by spirits of miners who died in them. People have been seen coming in and out of the mines, bruh.
Cristina: People might be going in and out of the mines.
Jack: I don't think that's Rose, bro. Think about this real hard.
Cristina: We know people are experimenting.
Jack: There are mines going way out of sight. Let's take another moment. Eloi built his lab in a cave. When you go into those caves, you see the pipes going in random directions.
Cristina: Yeah. This could be a lab.
Jack: This could be a f****** Lab.
Cristina: I think it's a lamp.
Jack: The castle isn't in the center. The mines are. Of course, if we were to ever find a huge energy displacement, something, something. I think it's more likely to be in the mines. To be in the mines?
Cristina: Yeah, I think so.
Jack: It's also weird that that's the least mentioned thing.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: There's been mines there this whole time.
Cristina: Well, who's gonna be exploring the mind?
Jack: It's not about exploring them. Why don't people talk about them? That's all. Just mention it more often. I've heard so many of these other things, I've never once heard of the mines.
Cristina: Most people disappear at the mines.
Jack: Fair enough.
Cristina: Who knows?
Jack: Like, fair enough. Fair enough. That's definitely, like. I do believe if we. If we're looking for something, it's the castle or the mines, one or the other. And at this point, knowing the past, it's probably the mines, not the castle. Castle is probably home or, you know, the top of the mountain. The place you get to before you walk to the other place. Yeah.
Cristina: The mines has to do with the sea people, but the castle has to do with the Shadow realm, the necromancers.
Jack: So we're talking just a hot spot for, like, literally, not just for activity of other things, but, like, there. Different groups are coming here to use this.
Cristina: Mm. We got fairies. We don't have any fairy trees.
Jack: We don't have fairy trees, but I'm about to blow your mind. Now that you mentioned fairies. One of the most consistent sightings of things here are gnomes. Weird, weird gnomes.
Cristina: Have we spoken about gnomes somewhere else?
Jack: Yes, we've briefly addressed gnomes. Gnomes, yes.
Cristina: Weird. Okay.
Jack: Oh, yes. And gnomes are fairies. Very type of fairy.
Cristina: Okay. Are they hanging out by the mines or they're just random.
Jack: No. And just in the woods, along with orbs, along with all the weird creatures, just random spottings of these things. Everything is out here. All of it.
Cristina: I bet there's fairy trees. But of course, no one could find the fairy trees.
Jack: If you did, how would you tell? Yeah, how would you tell? I bet there is a fairy tree. I bet if we look hard enough, we could find a fairy fort.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: I mean, dude, there's the mine and there's the castle. Come on, bro. Everybody has a base here. Yeah, it's not big enough to lose a s*** ton of people, but it's big enough to have a couple of bases in here.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: You know, it's starting to paint a real vivid picture. I think we're looking at a spot that's kind of like the city up in Norway. I think we're looking at a spot that's kind of like the city in India. These places where, you know, amalgamations of people get together and they can kind of coexist and maybe. Neutral zone. It's a neutral zone. You are beef. Whatever. You know, we got the un. I might hate you as a country, and you hate me as a country, and we're gonna go bomb each other later. But at the un, we all shut the up and we're just. Nothing happens here, or everybody here bombs you.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And so that would be the idea, Right? The space. Neutral territory. We can't do anything to each other here or the other groups collectively. F*** you up.
Cristina: All right.
Jack: Neutral territory.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And so a fairy can gladly be here, knowing the Elysian can walk right by him. Be like, I'll get you when we get out of here. You know? Because if you do violate. Well, how many other groups are here that are just gonna. Well, we're not gonna let you violate our safe spot. Even if we don't like them, too. We're gonna you up, because now we can't let you do that because then you might do it to us too. And, like. Okay, so neutral zone where everything weird happens.
Cristina: I think so. That sounds like that.
Jack: Because we've seen too many different things now.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Too many conflicting interests coexisting. There must just be enough of something to go around. What is it?
Cristina: What's going on? They're all interested.
Jack: Mm. Now, this next one is definitely gonna be the hardest one to unpack, but it's also like, the clear. Yeah. People have probably even touched one of these buildings. People come across invisible barriers. And there's one group of people who we know are really good at making invisible s***.
Cristina: Just making invisible things.
Jack: The Alicians. The people who make entire mountains vanish. I guess the people who can be in plain sight and their civilization not be in there.
Cristina: Okay. Yes, we know they're in there.
Jack: They're in there.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But, yeah, people have literally, like, come across, like, what the f***? I can't go through?
Cristina: And it's, like, kind of scary.
Jack: Yeah. You're just probably touching a building or some s***. You don't even. You can't see it, so you're like.
Cristina: Which matches the whole. Like, they're going up and down. You're seeing these weird ways that they're walking. Like. Yeah, it could be.
Jack: Well, no, they wouldn't be. You wouldn't see them at all. They would be invisible in the building.
Cristina: Oh, yeah.
Jack: Everything in there would be invisible.
Cristina: So that's the shadow realm, the other one, I guess.
Jack: No, that's the elation. Cloaking technology.
Cristina: No, not that. The people that you do see walking up and down.
Jack: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Those people must be in the shadow realm. You must be watching movement within the shadow room, for sure. But these people are definitely not like, this is the fact that they. They literally set invisible barriers.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It's like, oh, man, that's so specific, bro. I don't even know what to do with that information. That means we just gotta walk a ton of Clinton Road, broad daylight, and just. Just such things run until we hit something that doesn't. That isn't there, I guess.
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: I don't know how we would find it, but, like, people have come across it.
Cristina: Yeah, that's. That's tough.
Jack: Tough. But this also suggests something different. Elysians can find their building without uncloaking it. They must have something to show them where it is.
Cristina: Yeah, I guess. They have the technology.
Jack: Other obvious thing that is here are, you know, time slips. Little thin places, people. That's the primary thing we think is dominating this place. A s*** ton of thin places everywhere. And creates the main attraction, which is probably what everybody else is there. Abusing ways in and out of different places.
Cristina: Mmm.
Jack: And that's in abundance. People are like, I f****** went through here. I felt like it was a five minutes. And then when I got to the other side of this tree, it was f****** night.
Cristina: Okay. Now, there's a lot of stories like that.
Jack: That s*** is the most abundant kind of story. That is literally the most common occurrence. There is seeing something weird that can't be explained. The truck and people losing time. Those three events. Those are the most consistent things that happen. People see a truck a lot. That guy's out there desperate, okay. He's desperate. Seeing shadows and crap super common. And then people losing crap tons of time or moving in unbelievably quick. They're going. They began. Two minutes later, they're on the other side.
Cristina: That's strange.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It's 10 miles. How'd you do it?
Cristina: Whoa.
Jack: Going back to odd symbols, there have been symbols found on stones. There have been symbols found on structures. There have been symbol found on odd relics and artifacts. The weirdest one is symbols found on trees that seem to always be in pairs.
Cristina: What do you mean?
Jack: What people describe always seeing two. I want to find images of this. I couldn't.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But people say fine. Always finding to. I had to say, because I know you're gonna ask, are the photos but two trees next to each other with exactly the same symbol on both trees?
Cristina: What could that mean?
Jack: What could that mean? Kind of sounds like a lazy portal.
Cristina: To me, I guess.
Jack: Right. Because it's still the arch. You still have the two walls to it.
Cristina: If you.
Jack: I don't know how. If the top is requirement. But like, I don't know. I'm just thinking, like, what could I picture possibly me. So, yeah, that's. That's what we get. Those are the important things to look at. This is the thing you need to.
Cristina: Look at that there's so much. Yeah, yeah. We gotta look at everything.
Jack: There isn't one thing I mentioned on.
Cristina: This part that we don't need to look at.
Jack: So this is why I called this what's significant.
Cristina: It's all.
Jack: It's all significant. I'm telling you. We're here for the long haul. This is a lot of crap to dig into.
Cristina: Yeah. Whoa.
Jack: There's a lot. Yeah. It's ridiculous. So, yeah, this is what we have, man. There's a crap ton. We, we got fairies, we got thin places. We got creatures from the Shadow Realm, we got Elysians, we got fairies, we got science experiments. We got people desperately trying to get back. People somehow just casually crossing to the other side. We have places with extremely thin veils that make it indistinguishable. We have that as an explanation to how people in the past managed to get in and out without ever actually going in. We have. Have too much information going on. Everything. Everything is here. All of it happens here.
Cristina: You have a lot of missing people.
Jack: We have a lot of. We have a lot of missing people. But that's a clear one, man. Because they're either cultivating a way to get through or there are stones being made. Maybe s***** ones. Could be just enough to do casual things. Yeah, you need something huge. You don't need a crap ton of people. Yes. Need a casual stone. Take two or three people.
Cristina: We have a deer with no blood.
Jack: A deer with no blood. We got chimeras. Obvious chimeras. A zoo that's somehow tied to it.
Cristina: Yeah. Weird.
Jack: So, yeah, that's what we got for you guys. So, you know, if you guys have any input, any ideas, any in. Anything interesting, any information additional. I think I didn't mention that. You guys think is relevant and falls into here, please. We're kind of just. Yeah. Connect Dots connect.
Cristina: Yeah. There's so much connecting we got to do. We tried our best but like anything.
Jack: We didn't see feel free. Call us stupid just give us the answer but what you got to do just tell us what the answer is.
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