Grey Thoughts

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host and Overlord Dak.

Cristina: And I am your other host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we grant humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. Ideas?

Cristina: Are you going to talk like that?

Jack: I can commit to it, but it would be very. No, I can't. I can't. You right. You right. You caught me red handed. Is it because whoever's caught red handed committed a murder?

Cristina: I. I don't know. Like what?

Jack: Like that's what being caught red handed means, right?

Cristina: With your hand doing the thing. I guess. Getting caught. Just getting caught doing.

Jack: Yes, but like, where did the terminology originate from? Like, come on, you got caught with like, the knife in your hand, bro. You covered in blood. That's what happened. Get caught red handed so you can.

Cristina: Try to change upper accent.

Jack: No, I can't commit to it whatsoever. But listen to me, man. So last week on Dragon Ball Z, we were talking about how Goku and Frieza were going crazy. Can you commit? Can you imagine how confused the listener would be if I committed to a whole episode like that instead?

Cristina: Why not? We did it on Batman. We can definitely do it on Dragon Ball Z.

Jack: Did we do it on Batman?

Cristina: Yeah, we did an episode on Batman.

Jack: No, but it would have to be out of the random, like, week. It has to be done in the middle of a series that we're unpacking of many things like we've been doing. And then in the middle of that, just make an episode like we've been talking about Dragon Ball Z and just jump in. Like, last week we talked about this, and now we're talking about this part.

Cristina: Of Dragon Ball Z. Oh, okay.

Jack: And like, even the previous conversation we had that we'd be referencing is fake because that never happened either. So. Yeah, we should totally do that. When they have a whole episode dedicated to a breakdown of a Dragon Ball Z narrative device or piece or an episode or something. Okay, we'll talk about when Goku became a Super Saiyan for the first time. Look forward to that, guys.

Cristina: Whole episode.

Jack: A whole episode. Come on, girl. That was like a year's worth of one scream. Just one guy power. It was like a month long scream.

Cristina: No, that wasn't to become a Super Saiyan.

Jack: Become a Super Saiyan?

Cristina: Yeah, that long scene.

Jack: Oh, no. Yeah, the scene that gets shown on Instagram and stuff is from a modified version called Dragon Ball Kai. I'LL show you the original. You're gonna be.

Cristina: That's for him to do an attack, not to evolve.

Jack: It was crazy too. No, Dragon Ball Z stretches everything out. He was screaming for a while. It was, it was really. No, it was like a month. But it was like a good like a three minute scene of him just screaming the transform.

Cristina: And no one did anything while he did that.

Jack: Come on. The logic is like us watch in amazement, but one, everything is supposed to be happening in super fast motion. They're crazy godlike beings swifting around and this is happening all in the fraction of a second. Right. We don't see it that way. We see it slowly, but we're seeing at their pace, presumably. And second, I am sure he's not actually just standing there and powering up. That's the visual we get from it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know this, that's the breakdown we're gonna do. It's gonna be great. Dragon Ball Z episode people gonna be like, wow, how, how insightful. And anybody who jumps into the rambling podcast in the middle of one of those episodes will think it has to do with Dragon Ball Z and then jump in and then the conclude the following week when they're like, man, I can't wait for the follow up because I remember what episode follows and then they jump in to see that. And we're just going to continue talking about what we're going to be talking about today.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: It's great. We're gonna do that. Anyways. Last time on Dragon Ball Z, we were talking about the sketchy deal that happened in Clinton Road and the fact that there was an odd sketchy organization.

Cristina: Who did nothing wrong.

Jack: Who did nothing wrong.

Cristina: It was just the. Who was it again?

Jack: The Newark Watershed Conservation and Development Corporation.

Cristina: They do illegal things with this other shady group. This other shady group did nothing wrong.

Jack: Yeah. How would, how would this shady group have known that giving somebody money is illeg if you're telling them not to do their job in exchange for it?

Cristina: If they're foreign, it's not their fault for not knowing the rules. They don't understand the rules. So it's okay.

Jack: Yeah, that's totally how it works.

Cristina: They have to be aliens. They have to be non human for.

Jack: That to be like, look, legal aliens have to deal with. Legal aliens have to deal with s***. Humans like human. Legal aliens have to deal with us still doing this s***. There's no way that this is any kind of human at all.

Cristina: It couldn't be. No, that doesn't make sense.

Jack: Couldn't be. They would be super arrested and thrown in some dark hole. You're not from this country, and you invaded us illegally. You gave illegally. You didn't do it legally. If it was legal, we'd have to look for ways to f*** you. You just did it illegally. We could just use that. Easy.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They would love to.

Cristina: Very suspicious.

Jack: Yeah. Very odd. So, yeah, looking at that, we found that that was kind of odd. And then you had some questions, particularly about the furnace. You wanted to know what that furnace was used for. The fact that it was there was weird.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So I found that answer for you. And in doing so, I found a bunch of other s***.

Cristina: Weird things.

Jack: You tell me. Okay, so we'll unpack as we go through, and I'll give you some information surrounding any piece. On February 5, 1999, the Newark Watershed acquires the property. This is the first acquirement. That is the exact date.

Cristina: The first thing they got was the furnace.

Jack: No, this is them buying the entire property.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The property and everything on it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: On February 6th, 1999. 1919. My bad. If I said the previous one was 1999, that's wrong. 1919. And this one is also February 6th. The next day, 1919, a mining contract is approved on the Newark watershed property, AKA the Clinton Road Forest, for a mining operation to be established there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And excavations were to begin immediately. And so this happens. The very next day, an immediate contract for a mining operation gets signed in Clinton by the Newark Watershed to establish some sort of focal point, I suppose, to mind stuff to mine resources. It's pretty early 1919. You know, we just got done with cowboys, and now we're trying to make America great or whatever we were trying to do back then.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And so we establish a mining contract. Random details that could be of some relevance. World War I ends on 1918, November 11th. So just a little World War I.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And just a couple of months before the acquisition of this. That's two months. I don't know if that's relevant, but the fact that the dates lined up last time, I'm just, like, looking at things together now.

Cristina: Since.

Jack: Let me go look over here. The point that exactly what it is I'm talking about. Oh, yeah. Because World War I, World War II began the day after the deal was made.

Cristina: Which deal?

Jack: The deal at the Newark Watershed conservation grounds.

Cristina: For the mine?

Jack: No, the last property. Last week's episode, the sketchy deal that was just so that they paid them off. That sketchy deal was made the day before World War II. Began. So because of that I'm just looking at wars and relevance. And like it is kind of weird too that a month and a half before they acquired this was also the end of the previous war. So the previous war just ends and they're like, we're gonna buy that thing. And then right before the next war starts, some weird sketchy. Yeah, government manipulation deal happens. So I don't know if that's relevant. That just seems weird.

Cristina: Yes, but does the mining thing have to do with anything?

Jack: I just know these contracts line up time wise, that's all. This was on February 6. The mining contract happened. The territory was acquired on February 5 and the World War I ended on November 11, the previous year. So it was just a couple of months. Weird timing for that.

Cristina: See, I don't know how they're related. I don't know.

Jack: Neither do I. Just sharing information if you don't got input, if anything is interesting. On March 19, 1920, excavations officially began. About a year later, a year and a month, little more than that, excavations finally began and the mines are established in Ringwood, Hibernia, Mount Pleasant, Ogdenburg and Hamburg, which are surrounding areas are just like all within the property lines too. These properties f****** huge. I was looking at that s*** from a sky view. It's ridiculous.

Cristina: I should see that. I want to see that.

Jack: I'll show you eventually. I don't have that ready for you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But it's a huge problem.

Cristina: How much mining did you say? Five?

Jack: Yeah, I think just that was five different. They were all placed and those eventually became neighboring towns and towns formed there because. Yeah. And let's see, the Clinton Furnace then comes in and that is to be used to process the ore. Oh, so that's in the very center of everything.

Cristina: Oh, that's why that's important.

Jack: Yes, yes.

Cristina: So a giant mining opera, but it all seems normal.

Jack: It all seems normal. Yeah. I don't know. That's why I said like I'm just sharing information. I started looking at it. So, okay, these are just details. If you feel like having input on anything, feel free. But yeah, so far we just have that the Clinton Furnace is there for that purpose. I don't know how this connects to anything that has happened before, but nothing.

Cristina: Weird has happened in the mines. Are they still open?

Jack: No, that would be weird. That would. That in itself would be the strangest part. If these were just still functional and they didn't strip them of material.

Cristina: Why not? I don't know.

Jack: No, no, there's no mines there. There's no stories I've got for you. I'm giving you what I've got, man.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The Clinton furnace is the process. The ore and the mines would be interconnected with underground railways to send the ore directly to a nearby extraction mine. And that extraction mine would be swift transportation to the furnace.

Cristina: Okay, see, okay, this is very. Not like Clinton roadie. I don't know.

Jack: No, no, I'm telling you what you want. You've got questions in life. I'm providing answers. So this is. This is what you want.

Cristina: There's no stories to any of this. There's nothing.

Jack: I'm telling you what it was for. You had questions. I'm giving you answers.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Where your interest goes. I will, please. And yes, I'm just telling you about the furnace, man. Which all happened from this mining operation, which I don't know. You don't think it's weird, right? After a war?

Cristina: Yes, that's weird. But, like, there's nothing else about it.

Jack: Nah, it's just. It's just. It seems. This is what I mean. People have no clue how this was, how the furnace really plays a part in why it's so haunted related. That's weird in itself because when we look at the rest of everything, it's like, okay, I can kind of put together that this caused something or did something happened over there. What about this?

Cristina: What about the mines?

Jack: Well, we'll get to the mines. I'm telling you about the furnace, which is what you asked about.

Cristina: Okay, yeah. You said the furnace are connected to mines.

Jack: Well, yeah. You wanted them on the furnace. I'm telling you about the furnace, man. I'm telling you about the furnace man.

Cristina: Well, now I want to know about the mines.

Jack: Okay, so the mines. Yeah. What about. What do you want to know about the mines?

Cristina: What are the stories behind the mines?

Jack: There are no stories behind the mines. There's people coming in and out of the mines.

Cristina: Nothing has happened. No one sees anything there. No one explores them.

Jack: The mines are abandoned. The mines are dangerous, probably. People go in there all the time. People get arrested there, going and exploring and.

Cristina: Because it's a boy hanging around.

Jack: No boy hanging around mines.

Cristina: No, he's. Why is he around the furnace?

Jack: I don't know. That's what we're trying to figure out.

Cristina: But he's not around the mines.

Jack: He's not around the mines. He's around the furnace.

Cristina: Okay, Nothing's around the mines.

Jack: I don't know. We're trying to figure out the boy in the furnace. Are we gonna ignore the Boy in the furnace. I could go in that direction and go look at the mines instead. What do you want?

Cristina: I don't know. There's more with the boy in the furnace.

Jack: I don't. I. I would keep finding more if we need more. But I can go and look at something else if you want. Definitely can do that. I can look at the mines if you rather.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: All of the above is fine with me. The furnace is the only place that kid shows up in the bridge.

Cristina: Okay. How are they related?

Jack: I have no f****** clue. Then it might be the same boy, too.

Cristina: It doesn't make sense, does it? If it's the same boy, like, why.

Jack: So you think two different boys. All right, so let's. How. Let's think about it. Maybe. So we're assuming we know the girl doesn't get to the furnace. We don't see the girl by the furnace. Let's see the boy by the furnace. We do see the boy by the bridge. We see the girl by the bridge. So maybe the boy and the girl by the bridge are the same kids escaping the facility. Hypothetical facility. Escape. Patient people. The kids never dress in a Gallic girl.

Cristina: Was the boy.

Jack: The boy? Yeah.

Cristina: He's never in a gown.

Jack: He's never in a gown. If they were both in gowns, it'd be like, oh, yes, the boy is never in a gown.

Cristina: Or if they were hanging out in the same. Around the same place, but they don't. Because she has a castle. He has the furnace.

Jack: Other than the bridge, there's no connection between them. Interesting mystery. I've looked into it. I've looked into it. I've tried to find other connections between them, other places. People might have said they have been seen together. That kid is never anywhere else.

Cristina: But has anyone seen. When they see one, do they see them again somewhere else, though, or.

Jack: Like, no one person has seen the kid twice as far as we know.

Cristina: Like, whether it's the kid, the boy or the girl. Like, if they see them in one place, that's.

Jack: That's the only where they call and they report. I saw two women out in the woods. One was far back and the other one was over here.

Cristina: Yeah, like, nothing like that.

Jack: Nothing like that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which is weird. It's always one at a time. The children playing along the side of the road. People have reported seeing many of them.

Cristina: Yeah, but that's still in one moment. Like, it's not like they're going by it. And there's a bunch of different.

Jack: Yeah, exactly.

Cristina: That makes it feel more like haunting related. When it's like something like that. There's something, I don't know, ghosts like about just there. You just see them once and that's it. That's the story. Once you see them, that's it.

Jack: Okay. But some cases have reported multiple different of them. Like somebody who said the girl, then said the children.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I drove by a girl and then I saw a bunch of kids by the side of the road at different spots then. Different spots. Same person. That has happened.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Passing by the same female and being like, I saw another girl. There were two girls out there. That has not happened. But multiple different reports. Yes.

Cristina: Has anyone seen a man around there besides the druid? Druid.

Jack: Druids.

Cristina: Druids. There's no men.

Jack: Not any relevant ones. We can go look at the, like big mentions and see what's going on with that, but I don't think so. We had the boy on the branch. All the many different girls.

Cristina: There's so many girls.

Jack: The crying children. The kids by the side of the road. Disembodied voices. Headless horseman would be the only man. We gotta look at that guy. That would be the only. Okay, Other possibility. Right.

Cristina: I have no idea what we can possibly learn from a headless dude. It's gotta be some kind. That has to be a creature, right?

Jack: I guess maybe the Headless Horseman has very shadow person vibes to it. But yeah, I don't know. There's something so confusing about like, it feels. It really does feel like maybe we figured out some of the aspects about the lady and Wyatt and about the boy to some degree. Like, I do believe it's. At least one of the females is consistent. If there are multiple. There is one consistent female that seems to have been horrified at the beginning, sort of kind of mellowed out, eventually started running experiments. And she's just wandering around there doing something.

Cristina: And the boys never frightened. He's just hanging out.

Jack: He's never frightened. That's another weird thing. And the boy has always been a boy.

Cristina: That is weird. That makes you like an echo.

Jack: Why do you default to that instead of it being many children, many different.

Cristina: Children just doing over time. Why?

Jack: I don't know. I don't think. Look at it like this. Look at it like this. The lake is a really, really interesting example. And this might actually point to us why we see her running experiments by the lake.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: The lake is where the pockets are. Specifically at the vantage point where you could just look straight through a Bubble and see into the past. Right. Assume many, many, many of these exist. Then we have a different scenario, don't we?

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Well, with the boy. What if we're just seeing there's. There's a bubble that's been present, many different bubbles surrounding the bridge. And so through time, it's just the only spot that we get a clear shot of and the only people going there. Maybe it's on the property of whatever Other Realm facility the experiments are being run at. Maybe it's just part of the property, and that's just where sometimes some of the patients go. They get dressed and they go there, or maybe they live there. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But maybe we're looking at a spot that we can actually look at. A different time.

Cristina: Yeah. Just on the bridge.

Jack: Yes. Or at a different realm, and it just happens to be on the bridge where we're looking. And whatever home or facility or whatever's nearby has a uniform.

Cristina: Do you think everything that everyone's looking at is something like that, then?

Jack: Like maybe the whole forest is drowning in these thin places.

Cristina: When we see the boy next to the furnace and the girl and over there and the lady over there and.

Jack: Whatever, none of them are there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The problem. The problem is with a. I think some of the situations that we see. Yes. Some of the situations that we see now because of. If you think of driving past somebody, you're. You're seeing them for a while, and you see them, they see you, they come to your car asking for help, and when you get close enough, then they're gone.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That feels. Not like a thin place. That feels like the veil between the shadow and this side being very thin now. I think both of those things might be happening at the same time. I think we have a huge, monumentous distortion in space time in which we have both thin places of all types.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Time slips can happen to some, so they're looking back. Some are just slipping into different realms so you can see straight to them.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But also we have this weird sort of thinning of the veil so that even without going through one of the time slips into the shadow realm or into a different time, the veil between. Like the threshold between the shadow realm and Earth is thinnest.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we see things from over there, too, and maybe we get a clearer view around the thin places.

Cristina: Interesting. I think so. I think so, because that will explain that area. Why is it so bad? It has to be something like that.

Jack: Something has explained it. And again, the. The lake is a good example of it because lake is drowning for whatever reason. It's surrounded by thin places.

Cristina: But do we see I guess the KKK or the joys or druids whatever around the lake?

Jack: No. The druids are reported to be at the Cross Castle and have been seen wandering alongside the road.

Cristina: But never the lake? No, never anything else.

Jack: Although the black vehicles have been seen in both the castle and the lake.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay. Because I don't know if they're related or not, but if this is a hot spot for something, someone's got to be investigating it. I guess. I don't know when they were investigating it because it could be any time.

Jack: Yeah, we don't know what's going on. Yeah, but that's weird for sure.

Cristina: So they've been at the lake? Yeah, Somebody.

Jack: Somebody's been to the lake. The lady has been to the lake herself many times too. Yes, she's seen too often there. But only the woman. Woman is seen at the lake messing around with it. The girls don't make it that far. The girls seem to always be closer towards the church. Interesting. I didn't think about that before. There's a church, not the church of Castle.

Cristina: Oh, is there a church though?

Jack: Geographically, I didn't think about that range wise. As the bubble gets farther, you get more mentions of the women, less mentions of the girl. Although the mention of the woman exists throughout the entirety of it. That only applies in time wise, where over time you hear of the woman more, but the girls are consistent. You kind of hear them little less over time, but it's always in proximity. All the areas you report to girls are closer to the castle. And the only places the woman has ever been mentioned that the girls have never been mentioned is farther from the castle. Interesting.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: No idea. Random detail. Random detail I didn't think about before. Further from the castle older. Closer to the castle younger. Weird.

Cristina: That is very weird.

Jack: That supports the patient idea. There's something stopping them from getting far from the facility. The doctor can get far though.

Cristina: I don't know. He's like, if it is the same person, then are they. When they walk, are they aging?

Jack: No, it's not the same person. That would be crazy.

Cristina: How would you know?

Jack: Yeah, I have no idea. There's no way to actually know. You are absolutely right. One thing about these minds that's interesting though, it is the fact that they would be interconnected. This means that current day there are tunnels from neighboring towns around Clinton Road. Straight to a location in Clinton Road. That is the extraction line. Straight tunnels from one end to the other.

Cristina: And these tunnel. I mean, these mines. Nothing has happened in them though.

Jack: Nope.

Cristina: No Silent Hill scenario.

Jack: Nope.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There was an interesting note about the mining contract that is worth, you know, observing. In the original document of the mining contract, it was stated that the specifics of the location of the extraction mine would be kept secret and under higher government clearance and would not be public knowledge to prevent theft.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, it's mining operations. So for security purposes, it would only be to higher government authority.

Cristina: That's weird.

Jack: Why that the extraction point would be.

Cristina: That's not weird.

Jack: So knowing where the exit point is is unknown, but knowing where the entry point is is. Okay. And.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: And the entry point is in different towns that established over time because they were locations where you were mining. And people, you know, they, hey, I'm going to work here every day. I'm going to make my house here. And so towns formed around these mining operations that are now towns in New Jersey.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Surrounding Clinton Road.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: All of which are connected by one secret mine that they probably forgot existed and got buried within the town. A way in and out that can make you disappear and show up somewhere in the forest. There's a clean path in five different towns straight to the forest where you could just disappear.

Cristina: Well, it's still strange. Why would they keep that location? Because, like, if you. Like what. What is. What's to keep a secret?

Jack: The ore. What is in the.

Cristina: What's the. Because they can't they just go to the. Where the other mines are to find the ore that they got.

Jack: Like, those would be protected entry points. Like, you wouldn't be able. Like you'd have to travel quite the distance. You'd need the equipment. You wouldn't be able to steal it properly. I'll explain why some of these details get even farther as we go by. In 1925, Newark Watershed established Cross Castle as a future unprocessed ore storage facility.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because there's a lot of ore. Can't.

Cristina: They just make a new building? Why would they do that to the Castle?

Jack: They're not going to destroy the Castle. The Castle is fresh too. I know. The guy died a couple of years ago. We just acquired it. It's clean and it's not used. Budget to connect the underground railways from the extraction mine to Cross Castle is immediately granted by the city of Norik. So now let's paint a more clear picture. We have tunnels going from five major north Jersey towns into a random location inside of Clinton Road.

Cristina: But this whole time are people not like saying, hey, there's people hanging out at the castle?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Hasn't happened yet. Oh, okay, that's 1945 or something. No, that's 1960 something. 1960s.

Cristina: Okay, 1960s. We are at 1920s. Okay. Yeah, okay.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes. 1925 is this. And what you are talking about, which would be the original mentions of the ladies. Let me see the first reports. No, no, no. 19, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, first reports of satanic ritual, 1952.

Cristina: Okay, that's still not that far off, is it?

Jack: 1952 from 1925.

Cristina: Okay, that's 25 years apart.

Jack: 25 years apart, but yeah. So the Cross Castle is established as a location. It's going to be the new housing location for the surplus that would then be taken to the furnace.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that then immediately commences the connection of the railway. So the full image is now five railways connecting to a random unknown location in Clinton Road. And then that already random location in Clinton Road is accessible by both the castle and it itself can access the castle. So the people from the castle can access every single city, every single town that would develop in the future. Just inherently, that's the current situation. As it stands right now, there is a castle or the ruins thereof, with a tunnel that connects straight to some random location in the woods. And from that random location in the woods, that is classified information. Go straight to five different towns that anything could be done at any point.

Cristina: That's crazy. And they actually finish all of that? Like they were establishing it, but they actually completed the job.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And then when did they decide to abandon all this?

Jack: What do you mean decide to abandon it? When the ore was done.

Cristina: Oh, when was that? What year there was?

Jack: There isn't a year specifically. The mines would be operational and unoperation at random time slowly fluctuating, fizzling out somewhere into the 1950s.

Cristina: Okay, yeah. So it stopped around the 1950s.

Jack: Not really. It was again fizzling out around that point. It's what you're talking about is mining operations. So what happens here is there is a certain amount of minerals underground and they're just going to keep excavating slow. Occasionally this one goes down and because they find nothing for a while or they come up with a new way to drill and they get farther in. So the Mayans consistently were shut, reopen and shut and reopen, but they eventually.

Cristina: Abandoned all the mines.

Jack: So your question is, when was the last one abandoned? I guess, yes, the last one abandoned was in 1951.

Cristina: 1951.

Jack: See the last use of it and it wasn't even for process for collection. It was for remaining processing.

Cristina: Okay, that's not strange.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: But the castle had long not been used anymore. Why would that be strange?

Cristina: Well, because that's around the time that people start using the castle because it got abandoned. When was the castle abandoned?

Jack: The castle was abandoned around 1945.

Cristina: Oh, okay. That's so crazy that they would just abandon something like that. Because it connects to everything. I mean not a bad like. Yeah, like they should have still have it secured or something.

Jack: There's nothing left. When you process all the stuff, what are you securing?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: There's nothing left.

Cristina: Finished I guess. Except you can just go into any town.

Jack: Yeah, you can already walk into any town.

Cristina: Just drive in or go into that mysterious location. What's in that mysterious location? Where is it?

Jack: The extraction? It's another mine.

Cristina: Very strange that that's just a secret. Except it's not a secret because if you can go into the castle, you can probably walk to that place.

Jack: Interesting point. Nobody can actually pin exactly where in the castle. The railway. The connector is.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Oh, wow.

Jack: This is documented that there is one.

Cristina: Okay. But there's no actual.

Jack: You can't find one. Unknown where it is. That's the least weird part.

Cristina: What?

Jack: In 1926, a private third party contractor is brought on to begin construction on underground facilities expanding on the castle already existing chambers. These expansions would include the connecting sections of the underground railways. Several sections for storage, akin to underground warehouses, sleeping quarters, bathrooms, kitchens for the workers, and large empty areas for any unforeseen uses that could arise.

Cristina: Like what? What do you think is going on?

Jack: No idea.

Cristina: You think that's weird?

Jack: No. Because towns formed around the other ends of the railways. Because that's what you do when you work and.

Cristina: But then you put a bunch of.

Jack: Things underground because that's where you're working. All of these are where people are working?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: These are the people who are also processing this underground and protecting it at the same time.

Cristina: Quickly abandon it. Like that's a lot of things to build just to like. Okay, goodbye. I don't know.

Jack: Quickly, quickly.

Cristina: Like that's money. That's people's money. That's not their money.

Jack: The ore must have been fire. It must have been so amazing when it didn't last. They just got what they needed.

Cristina: But right before they got what they needed, they built all this stuff so.

Jack: They can get what they needed.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: All of it was so they could.

Cristina: Get what they needed really, really fast. Like they had to sleep there. Yeah, I don't know.

Jack: Work, man. This is how the industrial revolution happened. People basically lived and worked all cohesively. It was one giant thing. All the towns formed. This is literally, literally how it happened. The railroad happened first. Then the railroad allowed access to crazy far locations and the settlements would happen around the railroad.

Cristina: It makes sense for underground settlements.

Jack: Well, this is the same idea because the railroad is the closest thing that exists. All the jobs must be connected to the railroad. The first set of jobs have to be with delivering materials and things like that. Right. So the people who set up camp, those are also the people who are going to build the houses, and those are the people who are going to build the politics or whatever. But that's forming around the ease of access to the job location, which is the train. Those are your customers and that's your material. The same is happening at the other end of the railways where you have the mines, where the people are completely building their towns around these mining operations. And so the entire mining operation goes farther underground, progressively going to the extraction point and then farther down underground into this warehouse that's supposed to be fortified, as this next part will say. All expansions are to put safety and security first. As a result, all warehouse expansions must work like a safe and be capable of being sealed from the inside. The entire living quarters and worker personal facilities need to be deep enough to double as bomb shelters. And they need to consider the possibility of earthquakes.

Cristina: They were digging up alien technology. I don't know this. It's weird. I don't think this is. I don't know. It's so weird. You mentioned if it's about world wars and they gotta beware of bombs and like locking themselves in alien technology.

Jack: Alien technology?

Cristina: To help with the war.

Jack: To help with the war. That's where we're going?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it's here in Clinton Road that they think it's hiding?

Cristina: Yes. And that's why they. They tested it out there. And then all this weird time stuff happens. So then, okay, yeah, it happened.

Jack: So this is some sort of World War II? I mean. Yeah, man. Weird things only got reported happening here. Really. Starting around 1950s when they were done. When the war had finished.

Cristina: Yes. But they were done with the mines as well. Come on. I don't know or no.

Jack: The war began. What year did the war end? 1960, some.

Cristina: Oh, 68.

Jack: I don't even Know, but I don't know. It's weird, man.

Cristina: It is weird.

Jack: You think they're working on alien technology?

Cristina: Well, I. I say alien, I don't mean like aliens from outer space, just.

Jack: Something that is foreign to us.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: Technology. That is foreign.

Cristina: Maybe they sound. They found some fairy trees underground, like that type of craziness. I don't know.

Jack: But it is weird, isn't it?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We've got an underground essentially fallout shelter for worker. For mining workers. Allegedly underneath Cross Castle. That has. It feels so Resident Evil.

Cristina: Yes, but like they were working on war stuff too. So like it very feels like they were making things that were deadly.

Jack: What do you mean they're working on war stuff?

Cristina: It probably. They might have been working on war technology besides just mining the stuff. They were probably doing the thing there, putting it together there and then sending it out.

Jack: Yeah, but like. Okay, fair enough.

Cristina: But like a secret, secret military base.

Jack: Yeah. We would have to find something to like hint in that direction at least.

Cristina: Oh, I guess. Yeah.

Jack: Because that's just completely speculative. With nothing feeding into that direction.

Cristina: No, it just seems like it's a little crazy. Just.

Jack: It's strange. It's definitely weird to need this super ultra fortified facility underneath Cross Castle.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then to just abandon it and it to happen again. The weird part is it's Cross Castle and it happens in between two wars and there are weird sketchy individuals coming in and out of the place.

Cristina: Yes. Black cars and foreign.

Jack: But then how does this relate to the lady and how does this relate to the kid?

Cristina: No idea. That's just from the weird aftermath. It's just part of the aftermath of whatever they were experimenting on. Just like in the skinwalker farm where they would. It's obviously something was experimented there. And now a bunch of weird things happen consistently.

Jack: The two holes, the square one and the spherical one, just moving around the property and they're like huge. Huge. Like five houses large each.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Actually no, the round one is colossal. It's colossal and it just travels.

Cristina: Yeah. That is very super. Like if there was a hole in Clinton Row, like we. How would anyone know? I mean, in the forest around, it.

Jack: Would be impossible to see. You'd need to be looking from space at the right time.

Cristina: Yes. And the trees are blocking it. So like.

Jack: No, the whole. If it was the size. Okay, fair enough. If it's the size of like a house, like the small square one that was like only like five houses big, that'll disappear if it's the size of the freaking circle.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No, like, you'd see it. You'd see it.

Cristina: Yeah, but like, if it was something in there that was like that square, how would it. There would be no stories about it.

Jack: I mean, there are. There is the fact that the paths change consistently, which is a very, very, very shadow realm characteristic. The shifting and winding of paths. That should just be straightforward.

Cristina: Yes. Come on. Come on. They're doing something.

Jack: But that's very shadow realm. What could you have been working on that thinned the veil so hard? What could you have been working on that created thin places everywhere? We're talking crazy tech, I don't know, that's overpowered. We're talking technology the likes of like the Elysians or something. Come on. Just ripping. In fact, technology they don't have.

Cristina: I don't know. But like in the skinwalker, what was it? Time travel? No, not time travel. It helped them to go farther in space pretty much to survive space. Like maybe that's the start of that. I don't know. Because it happened first. Where did it happen first? What got weird first? Let's gonna walk around for this.

Jack: This got weird first.

Cristina: It's got weird first.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: This is weird in general. Everything is odd in general. I mean, Skinwalker Ranch is. Is a really weird example of a thing that happened, you know.

Cristina: But we know that people were there experimenting on stuff. Like, they didn't keep that a secret while here there's just a mysterious group of foreigners who didn't know that they were doing something illegal. That's the story. That's a crazy story.

Jack: No, Skinwalker Ranch is weird. I'm looking at these lamps right now.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't know, man. In the f****** weird a*******. It's crazy too. I don't know. I don't know. So weird to have these kind of. The shifting paths, the moving halls. Very strange. That's so odd. And who the are the people coming in and out of these woods, man? Which ones the black car people? This is the only people coming in now. Nobody else is coming in and out?

Cristina: No, today.

Jack: Oh, this then.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Who are these people in the unmarked black vehicles coming in and out of this? This. Who is the third party? Is that the third party that could.

Cristina: Be the third party.

Jack: And it's party construction group, the same third party?

Cristina: Possibly.

Jack: And is that third party construction group the same third party that's on the sketch deal? The sketchy deal. And that be the same people who had the odd doc that went straight to Epstein's Island?

Cristina: That's Very unrelated.

Jack: Those are all just really shady. Equally. Yeah, equally shady. Loosely related things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But yeah, it could totally be just another shady organization.

Cristina: I don't know. But it is. That one is so weird because there is no information really on that.

Jack: You had to, like, dig way deep for anything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In fact, I had to find the listing of people who just. Their job is to log that. The thing came through. That's it. The stop truck. People that are in a booth, like, okay, this guy came through here. That's the only way we found names at all.

Cristina: But they didn't retract those names or anything like they did with this.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Which is, like, why didn't seem anything.

Jack: Sketchy was happening that was. It was sketchy by every means, but not worth looking at because there was no legal precedent for it.

Cristina: Intelligently done, I guess. Very strange. All of it's very strange.

Jack: All of it is so sketchy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The sketchiest. But yeah. So I don't know. I don't know what to tell you, man. This is kind of weird. And it's so. It doesn't help solve anything. It really just confuses more. It didn't give us more questions. Okay. About the castle. There have been reports of people in that time, seen ridiculous amount of construction materials being taken there. Many people didn't know what was happening. There were different reports. Not reports. There were inquiries consistently to the governor, the mayor, that there was too much footwork coming through and it was disturbing the peace for people, and they were trying to live our lives. And you got trucks and whatever coming through in and out of all secret bases, going into this, into the road or whatever. Is there anything that could be be done? Usually times from the workers. The workers are the one like, dude, we're out here working, and you guys got weird construction or some happening somewhere in here.

Cristina: The workers.

Jack: The workers complaining that, like, bro. But yeah, many times people like, what? What? What's being constructed?

Cristina: And they weren't saying.

Jack: I mean, yeah, they'd give answers and stuff, but yeah, it was. It was documented that there was a huge sudden construction effort. That's what the point of the me.

Cristina: Saying that that's weird. They just make it and then they just go. That's it. Like, they don't spend, like, much time there. They use it for a short time.

Jack: What. How long? How long it will satisfy you?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: But, like, how long should they use it for you to be happy?

Cristina: If it's. I don't know. I don't know. A long Time.

Jack: Define a long. 25 years. Not good enough.

Cristina: 25 years, was it 25 years, the underground base thing? Not the 1925 is when they made the things for them to sleep in.

Jack: Yeah, it's 1925.

Cristina: Okay. I don't know.

Jack: Feels like it was. Well because then like.

Cristina: No, it was so secure. Like why not just have houses outside the building? Like I don't get why didn't work.

Jack: Why didn't a town happen around Cross Castle? Yeah, that's the question, right? Why didn't a town happen around Cross Castle? Or the extraction mine?

Cristina: This. The extraction mine was top secret.

Jack: Okay, whatever. Why didn't a well, you don't happen around Cross Castle. If it's now owned the norg watershed.

Cristina: Like why would putting the place underground make more sense than doing something simple.

Jack: Above ground to protect the ore? You cannot.

Cristina: It's already locked. Why do you have to protect the people protecting the ore like that? Like from earthquakes and everything. Like, come on.

Jack: Oh, because they're working underground. It's the same reason you reinforce mining tunnels. This would avoid the need for reinforcing.

Cristina: Mining tunnels if they sleep on the ground. I don't know. That's too much.

Jack: Oh, random detail about the fact that it had to be built for earthquake prevention. Every expansion must be reinforced. Every wall, ceiling and floor by steel layers.

Cristina: That's. How often are earthquakes happening?

Jack: Don't know.

Cristina: That is not an earthquake hot spot.

Jack: Also, steel layers is crazy.

Cristina: What? Come on.

Jack: Steel layers.

Cristina: Steel layers. Come on. There's something so not right.

Jack: Word.

Cristina: They did not need to do that.

Jack: In 1941, the first Jewish committed facility is established Kelmo in N*** Germany. December 8th.

Cristina: Wait, before I go where we're going. Yeah, I still have a question.

Jack: Yeah, go for it. Go for it.

Cristina: It's just. I lost it. But no, I have it somewhere about what they're doing.

Jack: Steel layers.

Cristina: How expensive is this project versus how much they're making off this project?

Jack: Like why does it matter?

Cristina: Does it even make sense? Does it make sense? Do you think it makes sense?

Jack: I'm just giving you the info, man. I don't know.

Cristina: Steel layers.

Jack: That doesn't make sense. No, for sure not. How where the even acquiring the steel from the mines?

Cristina: No, I don't know.

Jack: Steel mines. I have no idea what kind of mines here. What are the mines? It's or it's like gold and iron.

Cristina: More than that. For all this protection. This is insane.

Jack: Do you realize we literally today, today still have giant building sized vaults protecting gold? And then we strap it with army men surrounding it. And that safe itself is inside of a bigger building, usually.

Cristina: Is that safe on the ground and are people sleeping in it?

Jack: No, but also we have the technology now for that to not be necessary.

Cristina: Was that necessary before?

Jack: How are you gonna protect it from a s*** ton of people who know you have gold there?

Cristina: There are people sleeping.

Jack: There are people sleeping in there.

Cristina: Were they also protected by earthquake? What is protection for? Earthquake? Come on.

Jack: The people will be protected from earthquakes. The people will be protected because it's a bomb shelter. If somebody were to try to destroy the facility with bombs to steal the gold, you'd be fine.

Cristina: But the ores are those. Were they. Was it gold?

Jack: Iron.

Cristina: Do you need that much protection for iron? Is it that valuable?

Jack: Okay. Got all the useless information you needed? So the process, the price of gold to iron in 1925, one pound of iron was 1.2 pennies and one pound of gold was $20.

Cristina: Mm. So is iron worth protecting like that?

Jack: Protecting like gold?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No.

Cristina: No. Okay, so is that not weird? I don't.

Jack: I don't know. Would you protect your city construction materials? Would you protect what you plan to build civilization with or not?

Cristina: But the way they were protecting it.

Jack: Okay. Would you flimsily protect what you're trying to build civ with? Just put it out there. Easy for people to get. When you guys are workers, you guys are going to be underground, working. You're going to store your materials overground. You're going to go work underground, but your materials are going to be stored overground.

Cristina: That's what you're mining history. Right. No one really cared. They knew it was dangerous and no one put this much protection on anything. So I don't know what you talk about.

Jack: Okay. So yes, it would have been very easy to. In the scenario where they are working underground, it would have been very easy to steal this. Anybody who know you don't have to know where the extraction point is because you know where the castle is. And they're storing it on top of the castle. Not where they're working where they can see it. It's in the surface, just on top. So they store it there. We wouldn't have those same towns formed around that area. We couldn't. Because people could have easily continued to casually steal the materials because the work was happening underground. There's no reason, unless they hire more people just to go and work that. But if you do that, why not just build using the materials you've already got?

Cristina: Building with. What was the material?

Jack: Again, you need iron mix too.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You could put it over ground, but your workers are underground. So who's you? You need more workers now.

Cristina: But they are storing above ground. They're storing it underground.

Jack: They're storing it underground.

Cristina: Okay, okay. Because I was picturing that they were restoring it above ground, but then sleeping underground for some reason.

Jack: I'll read it to you again.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: A private third party contractor is brought on to begin construction on underground facilities, expanding on the castle's already existing chambers. These expansions include the connecting sections of the underground railroad. Several sections for storage, akin to underground warehouses, sleeping quarters, bathrooms and kitchens for workers. And large empty areas for unforeseen uses that could arise. The warehouses is where they're putting the ore.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's underground. That's not overground. They could put the ore overground, but the workers are underground.

Cristina: But they had some storage overground as well though.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: No storage overgrown. All of it was run underground to be more efficient. Because then you have to consider raising all the iron you've gotten. If it's just underground and the tunnels underground, you push it that way. You don't have to lift it. Lifting it requires way more energy.

Cristina: Wait, but was it all going there and then once it was there, then where did it go?

Jack: Well, the extraction point is in. The extraction point is where you get it out. That's where it comes out of the facilities created where the castle is.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Are just level and already underground. So they were expanded to house all these things so they wouldn't have to be brought overground.

Cristina: Okay. So that's not. Nothing's happening there besides the storing of extra stuff.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I just have what I'm giving you. But we don't know what could have been happening there because there's also random empty rooms. For what? For unforeseen purposes. Just repurpose some you've got.

Cristina: That is very strange. I don't know, it's weird. Whatever.

Jack: Yep. But this is all just looking at the furnace.

Cristina: Okay. Now where were you gonna go?

Jack: Oh, okay. I was gonna mention that in 1941 was the first Jewish committed facility that was established, which is Kelmo. And that was in N*** Germany in December of 8, 1941. Just random information. And Cross Castle, which is demolished in 1988 as we know, because it became dangerous or whatever. Which. Think about the following. There's underground foot. Basically you destroyed the top of the castle, destroying any way to go inside. It's just ruins. And now there's Some underground facility that exists, totally fortified, that could have totally withstood the demolition of the castle on top.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Not having gotten a scratch. And has connecting tunnels outward. So the only way in here is through a secret other location in Clinton Road.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or do five other secret locations in five other towns.

Cristina: Well, we know. Are the five other towns also connected to the castle or just to the.

Jack: To the extraction point. And the extraction point is the castle. So they're all technically connected. If they're all underground together.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There must be one location where five where six paths meet and one of them goes to the castle.

Cristina: Yeah. But I'm wondering if like those locate those locations are closed off the way the secure. The rooms are closed off where you said like you can lock yourself in.

Jack: Interesting. So your question is, is it only accessible also from the inside? So only the extraction mine is in and out.

Cristina: Oh, see?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So one way in? Well, one. Not even one way. It's just locked from the inside everywhere else. You probably wouldn't even tell that there is a tunnel there. There's just. Hey, a door that nobody's ever opened right here. And it goes down to this railway. Maybe not even a railway. You could have done anything and God knows how much time and turned it into a fancy easier facility that they ride golf carts and who the h*** knows, you know? And it goes straight into the bottom of where the castle used to be. And who knows how large the facility down there was.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: Ah. There's no stories about anyone who worked there talking about what it was like working there.

Jack: I would have definitely told you that by now.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Would have. What a weird thing to leave out. Like. Oh, I have no idea. Also this random other story about a guy who totally worked there. Like, come on. 1990, the Newark Water Treatment facilities come online.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: There are five reserves reservoirs that are up there by Clinton. They're all surrounding Clinton Road. And they are Charlottesburg, Oak Ridge, Conisteer, Clinton and Echo Lake. All of these giant bodies of water surrounding Clinton Road provide water to a huge portion of North Jersey. They all come from that.

Cristina: That area. Lakes are always weird. There's no mountains, but there's lakes.

Jack: There's lakes. And that was established two years after the demolition of Cross Castle.

Cristina: Are they somehow related? I don't know. What's underneath the castle? How do we get there?

Jack: We can't.

Cristina: I know. I just wish.

Jack: But yep, five reservoirs. And they are all within the property lines. And they all deliver water to the people of Jersey. They are it's owned by norc, the property that the water treatment is placed on and the NORC simultaneously owns because they own the property, they own the old mining facilities and they own all this and kind of have access to the. Essentially have total access to the water of the people.

Cristina: Okay, but that water. Okay, Those facilities, though, are not abandoned.

Jack: Those facilities are not abandoned.

Cristina: Okay, but.

Jack: Yeah, that's what I got.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's all the information I got about the furnace and its use and how it's related to anything interesting. Yep. Yep. Anywho, if anybody has any input of any sort, anything anybody would like to say about any of this, you guys can contact us on our socials, on X, on Tick Tock, on Facebook, on Instagram, at just Convopod.

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July 20, 2024

Rambling 282: Clinton Road: The Menu Part 3: Significance

July 20, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Is there any starting point for researching this Forest surrounding Clinton Road? What could be the most pressing amongst the sea of oddities? What can be found on the other end? The duo unpack the last of the reports from Clinton Road. This time, the clearly important bits are discussed.

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Topics Discussed:

Druid Activity
Disappearances
Satanic Panic
UFO Sightings
Mysterious Lights
Floating Orbs
Cross Castle
Mutilated Animals
Haunted Mines
Gnome Sightings
Invisible Barriers
Creepy Carvings

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+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where you and I ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideals. Yeah, no, that's legit, bruh. But okay, so recap, recap. Last time on Dragon Ball Z, for anybody who wasn't paying attention, Clinton Road for the hundredth billionth time, many years later, except now we have a lot of information to relook at it with. And so we've broken up the excess of things we have discovered. And we have separated into three categories, of which we discussed two already. Ones are echoes. Any long term listener understands an echo is a type of ghost that doesn't interact with anything. It's just literally a repeating something that isn't there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then phantoms on the shadow episode, probably shadow people, which is probably shadow people or other things that are just aware and they're physically and are aware of you and try to interact or can react. Those are not echoes. They're not just there not being responsive. They are there explicitly being responsive.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then today. Well, to clarify, in the echoes episode, we had some little details that the point of that was we were basically going down all the major events that happened in Clinton Road, breaking them up into these three categories. And with the echoes episode, it was to completely remove what we know isn't doing anything. But the point of discussing that to begin with was maybe something sticks out and is relevant. Which we have found a couple of things that we should look into. Because of the nature of those things, particularly intense distortions, directions, we could be looking at, whether it be a different realm or into the future to see how we can possibly determine something's happening. These kinds of details you've acquired. The phantoms episode was a sin. Well, the shadow episode is the same idea where we're trying to unpack phantoms. Phantoms are what we call the creatures that do interact, but we normally call ghosts. We've created a distinction. The phantoms are the type of ghosts that can interact, and they're usually just things in the shadow realm that you're interacting with.

Cristina: Yes. And they're spooky.

Jack: Yeah. A lot of them can be definitely.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Some of them are trolls. A pickup truck was definitely a troll.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Today's episode is the last part of our branch as we go through the Clinton Road menu.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And this is a collection of all the things That I know factually as we go down. Each one of these points is important. Without a doubt.

Cristina: It's all important.

Jack: It's all important. These are the things that all the. The other two sections were composed of things that, I don't know, could or could not be.

Cristina: But these relate to what we're trying to figure out.

Jack: This has ghosts, this has phantoms, this has tech. It's again, everything relevant that was factually relevant.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That wasn't in the other two lists. The other two list was just composed of those respective subjects, but that was unclear.

Cristina: May or may not be important.

Jack: Yeah, these are definitely important. And have things that should be on those two lists if they weren't obvious.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Every thing here matters now. Okay. The problem is that there was no way to order this more efficiently because of how important everything on this list is. So it's not like I can escalate gradually.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So I'm just gonna go for the number one thing here because it's the easiest for us to just kind of get into the groove and start to unpack this. But it is quite commonly stated and believed that human creatures. Human people. Not creatures. People. People. Humans. Humans.

Cristina: Humans. Okay.

Jack: Also wander these woods around Clinton Road. We know this.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I personally saw an individual doing something weird. Doing something weird. There was a town, like, adrift in this location where nothing else can get to. There are people now. Where it gets weird is the dialogue people have used to describe the people they have seen.

Cristina: These aren't normal people or they're not. They're. It's obvious that they're doing something sketchy.

Jack: There you go. Yeah. It's more about what they're doing, not who they are.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: So the stories are of cloaked figures, which we know. I personally saw a dude. And they're said to have been seen or glimpsed performing rituals of all sorts in the woods. And the word most commonly used to describe these individuals by people who are informed scholars who search for what people are talking about. Oh, it's spooky and blah, blah, blah. No, it's probably just this. The this they use is Druids. They believe they are Druid activity. Let's simplify. Druid people who work with occult things. Let's specify occult things in the context we're very familiar with. We're in a high energy displacement space time, problematic area. And people have seen cloaked individuals performing things that they would describe as magic if it wasn't technology.

Cristina: Yes. Crazy.

Jack: There was probably a necromancer there at some Point.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: That would fit what a druid is.

Cristina: Yeah. A necromancer.

Jack: There could have been.

Cristina: Which I guess, like St. Patrick. He would probably be described as a druid.

Jack: He would be described as a druid. Correct.

Cristina: Yes. Because what we know is they're in hoods. They usually have some kind of staff.

Jack: With a stone either in the staff or in a necklace.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's definitely a dialogue they're using with intention. And again, the fact that they use this word to describe it kind of reframes immediately the guy I saw instantaneously. You're not a KKK member, dude. You black? You're black. Black. So you're some other s***. But now let's take a step back. We use the word druid. Druid in this context means a magical individual. All the magical individuals we've known. I'm about to ask you to say something I haven't said myself yet. So put your thinking cap on. Where are they from? This is not a difficult question. Where are the people we have talked about doing magic from? Not which country. Which region?

Cristina: Which region?

Jack: Easy.

Cristina: I don't know. It's not a country.

Jack: Not a country.

Cristina: Not a country. The sea people. No. What region?

Jack: Where is Iran? Where is the Middle East? The Middle East.

Cristina: They're doing magic.

Jack: Oh, God. Okay, I got a. Let me grab your hand and walk you through it. The Middle east is the only mention we've seen of every single necromancer, every single magic activity has ever happened that began with somebody wearing a hood. It happened in the Middle East. We have no outside source that ever had a necromancer, ever had somebody who fit these descriptions anywhere else. It's always been in the Middle East.

Cristina: What about Sansa? He's in the North Pole. And the guy, Merlin? He's not in the Middle East.

Jack: They're not wearing hoods. I used these words so specifically. Guys doing magic wearing hoods is literally what I just said. Those individuals have only. We've only found mentions of them in the Middle East. Now another question I have not explicitly said, but is the obvious answer to this. They are in the Middle East. What is their skin color? Not a hard question.

Cristina: They're brown.

Jack: Darker than brown. Oh, they're very bronze.

Cristina: Is this important?

Jack: The guy in the woods that's wearing a hood is dark. I don't. How are you not connecting these dots, bro? Okay, I'm gonna stop trying to get you guessing.

Cristina: Are they saying the same thing, though, in their description?

Jack: No, I'm telling you what I personally Saw.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're saying there's druids in the woods and he's wearing. They're wearing, you know, they got cloaks and they're doing the things that, you know, necromancers fit. And then I saw a dude wearing a robe and it so happened to be a D skinned dude.

Cristina: Yes, dude.

Jack: The dots are connecting. But no, no worries. I'm gonna just connect all the dots and I'm gonna just flat out explain that.

Cristina: Like, did they describe it like that too?

Jack: No, I would have said that. But the point is I'm making the connection that there's a dude with robe.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: In the place where they're saying there's people with robes doing things and we see him with a machete. Then we get to a animal sacrifice. Like, all the parts are just lining up.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: No explanation required, but I will continue to just explain it instead of asking. But the point being that's definitely fitting the suit. Dark skinned dude in a robe definitely did something sketchy with an animal.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And he's walking away from it. That's what I see. But that just fits them. Talking about rituals being performed in the woods by druids.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: That's weird. Now I wouldn't have put those things. I was thinking KKK. That's. At the entire time, since 15 years ago when it happened, I've only thought, yeah, it's okay. But it doesn't make sense to have that thought because this guy is dark also.

Cristina: What does it do you have to do with a kkk?

Jack: Yeah, like, well, the area is drowning with them. That's a very, very KKK present area. But why would he be a member? Unless he's a troll who's using it to, like, disappear into. But he was visibly just walking around. You could see his arms. You can see, you know, and it's like, okay, it has a KKK vibe, but I can see your face. So it's not a hood that's literally covering your face. The assumption was, you know, he has it lifted and, like resting on his head. But maybe it's just a literal hood, not a mask. And maybe you're in a robe, not a cloak.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And maybe you were performing a ritual.

Cristina: Just out there like that. That's kind of crazy.

Jack: Literally what they say happens.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Rituals in the woods.

Cristina: Yeah, but you weren't in the woods. You're so.

Jack: You wouldn't have to literally be in the woods. They're not in a building would be the point of staying in the woods. It's outdoors. They're outdoors. Performing sketchy things would be the sort of general idea here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're not hidden doing it because otherwise how would people see them? I'm sure that in the woods has meant some people have seen them on the street as well, just, like, doing weird things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so you move around them. At least that's what we saw. And the thing is, all of us saw that. All of us saw the animal, and all of us saw the dude. It was unclear what the dude was holding. Two of us thought machete, two of us thought shotgun. But by the time we get to the animal, there's kind of not really a debate here because it's sliced open. Two of us are right, two of us are wrong.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But weird. Anyways, the other weird part about that moment, that quote druid, unquote, is that moment of the machete or the shotgun, because what. How could we not tell? But let's back up and talk about what we know about Clinton Road and what we know about the shadow realm. Clinton Road has high distortions. That guy might have not even been present. That guy could have been in the shadow realm, and we were seeing the distortions of the shadow realm. That would explain both happening.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's a distorted image of somebody on the other side.

Cristina: Yes, but did the deer look like it was from.

Jack: Well, no, the deer was cleared on this side.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And maybe he used whatever he got from the deer.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we were seeing him phase in the middle. The veil was thinnest right after he took it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because he needed the veil to thin for him to cross. And then we're seeing him slowly distorting more and more as it goes through his system and he crosses over to the other side. Weird.

Cristina: Okay, but he didn't, like, disappear in front of you guys. Like, it wasn't, like, that type of spookiness, was it?

Jack: So the debate that we had following this moment, because we're driving and then he's in the back mirror, we assumed it just got so dark that there's, like, a threshold that you just instantly get sucked into the dark.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. So, like, it appeared like he disappeared.

Jack: It appeared like he tried to make.

Cristina: It make sense, but it could just.

Jack: Be that, again, we were in a car, he was on foot. Like, the dark could have just swallowed him instantly. Beyond some point, he did get smaller and smaller and suddenly gone, which is possible. It's totally possible. We were also spooked by the fact that we just saw some random dude out here in the woods with the machete or shocker. So, yeah, we're maybe not focused. It's already, you know, the sits, the place and the situations already getting to us a little.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But we'll leave that there. Who knows? The next one is this. This is one we're definitely gonna have to unpack in detail one day.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There are giant lists. Giant lists of people who've gone into these words and never been seen before. Like, again, they're just gone.

Cristina: They're just gone.

Jack: Gone. People missing in these woods all the time. All the time. They disappear. These woods are not big enough for. So for there to be lists and nobody to find them, just. It's not big enough. You'd find them. You'd find them. You'd send crazy search parties and find them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Nobody's been found. They're just gone. Everybody. All of them.

Cristina: How long is the list at the moment?

Jack: About 300 people.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Okay, spread out, spread out. It's not like 300 people last year.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, through all the time, we've recorded about 300 people wandered, never been seen.

Cristina: Again for like 200 years. For a hundred.

Jack: For the past maybe like 30 years. That's a lot.

Cristina: Oh, okay. 330 years. Whoa.

Jack: Yeah, that's a lot. There's people wandering and vanishing and wandering and vanishing.

Cristina: You know, if there's, like, groups of.

Jack: People that disappeared as well, like entire groups have vanished. Yes.

Cristina: What is that?

Jack: Well, there's an answer for what that is based on the fact that they vanish in an area that shouldn't be so easy to lose so many people. Where are they going?

Cristina: Someone's eating them up.

Jack: I guess they're going to slip into the other side. Yeah. Yeah, they're. They're falling through some of these thin places into different times or falling into different spaces.

Cristina: Oh, you think different times.

Jack: They could just go through one and. I mean, they're still the one that overlooks the lake and is always looking into a time in which there are people at the la.

Cristina: Yeah. And there's. There's a spot like the. The tall grass in there as well.

Jack: There could be. Where everything is intersecting. Yeah. Once you're in your track, that'd be crazy. Maybe that's what they are. Maybe there is a situation like that going on.

Cristina: Those are crazy.

Jack: I would argue the tall grass is kind of based on some concept like that that somebody, you know once read about or something, and, oh, how interesting. And it's like. That's kind of real, man. It's kind of Kicking around reality a little bit crazy.

Cristina: But it could also be that they're being killed off because, like, who knows what's in there? All these stories of monsters.

Jack: Like, not even.

Cristina: They gotta eat.

Jack: Not even stories of monsters. Let's go to how people try to explain this. Because that's the next important thing.

Cristina: How they try.

Jack: How they try to explain it. This takes us back to the castle. They believe that Luciferians inhabit the castle and that their cults operate in that area, leaving behind strange symbols. This is literally written, as I'm saying it. Symbols and sacrifices of unfamiliar animals. Now, how would we identify a Luciferian? Well, you're just guessing who they are. A Luciferian who's performing a ritual would be indistinguishable from a Druid, wouldn't it? Yes, except you call them a cult. You're saying an individual is a Druid and a group is a Luciferian. Why couldn't there be a group of Druids?

Cristina: Yes. And they're sacrificing Shadow Realm creatures.

Jack: Shadow Realm creatures. Now we're getting to something.

Cristina: Yeah, weird.

Jack: There are symbols which are transmutations. You can convince me of anything else. You could not convince me. S*** else is happening. Strange symbols, huh? That's too familiar.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then unfamiliar creatures being sacrificed. There is some sort of a portal somewhere around here that distorted everything. Those creatures are coming in and they're bringing them in. Or something happened in the future, in the past. This is the hotspot and they're keeping it safe. Hence the sacrifices. It's not sacrifices. They're killing whatever comes through that shouldn't be here.

Cristina: But then how, if they're keeping it safe, like they're still mad people going missing.

Jack: That's why they need to be there, keeping it safe. If they're keeping it safe, what would happen if they weren't?

Cristina: Oh, okay, so you're saying it'd be so much worse.

Jack: It'd be so much worse. At least they can keep it contained in the woods of Clinton Road. You see? Now, if they're the ones causing it, then we are talking about an area, and this is gonna. I don't know how the f*** I didn't think about this last week when we were talking about the Phantoms in the Shadow episode. But I literally mentioned that the Vikings had created a forest through continuous sacrifices in order to stay in contact, be able to traverse and communicate with things from the other side. How the f*** is this any different than that?

Cristina: No, it's the same thing. They're probably talking to A co. Uncle God.

Jack: Hella people go missing. That sounds kind of accurate to what the Viking were doing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Creatures from who knows where. People hear voices when they're there. People slip in and out of places they're unfamiliar with. Everything jumbles around.

Cristina: The same story, just a different location.

Jack: Yes. It's a modern day portal location. It's a sacred forest to cross into the shadow Realm in Clinton Road.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The argument is whatever the h*** happened once we crossed Paradise Road into the town of paradise, we weren't on this side anymore. That's why it was jumbled. But then we didn't consume anything to get there.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So we must have been on this side and it was just because again, if the steps that we're talking about are as we're talking about them, then the Druid I did see needed the thing to cross. We didn't consume anything. So we were watching a really hot spot on this side of that side. Yeah. We were just watching that side essentially. Without being there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like the thinnest part of the veil.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Without crossing. And so it behaves almost like we're over there.

Cristina: Yeah. But you need something to actually be there.

Jack: So then this brings up another question. Is it possible to thin the veil so much? It's almost the same place.

Cristina: Like you don't need anything.

Jack: Like you don't need anything. If that's what's happening in paradise, then paradise is an actual. And listen to me what I'm about to say, this makes so much sense. If paradise is just the thinning of the veil, then you can coexist. When people from the other side. We go back to the origin of Halloween and Christmas and all these things when they will go to these graveyards. It's where the veil is very, very, very, very thin. And they can just people who are dead and. But also be careful. There's creatures there who might harm you. There is a town in Norway where there are people from the shadow realm, people from Elfim and people from earthrealm living together. In no moment that we ever come across a line that said anybody crossed anything to get there, we just know they're there together. There's two locations like that. That's just one of them. Is it possible that these locations are extremely focused so that you don't need anything and people don't have to cross, but you can still see people from the other side. Additionally, in situations like the judge sleeping in somewhere, these spots, it would just be one. He never went in.

Cristina: He never went in. No. That makes it make so much sense.

Jack: He abused the knowledge of being in this twisted place repeatedly and got familiar because the veil is so thin. It's not the same place.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He didn't slip anywhere. And he could see them like they're standing in front of him even if they're not.

Cristina: Yeah. And his sister probably took something though, once they. She made the deal with the other girl or whatever.

Jack: The other girl actually. They both actually crossed. But they had to learn how to do it.

Cristina: Yeah. But I don't think he did.

Jack: I don't think he did. I think there's a. I think there are places within veils where you can just interact and it's the same place the them into us. And we haven't thought about this before, but it checks out. Because the way that fear thins the veil.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Means you could get it if you can just keep applying the same logic and never have adrenochrome. You never bring adrenochrome into the equation. You just keep applying more and more and more and more and more and more fear.

Cristina: That's why you were there. But it was different.

Jack: But it was different. But there are conflicts to this theory. What Twin towers fall. There's a crazy amount of fear. New York didn't suddenly shift.

Cristina: It's not a hot spot.

Jack: It would have created a hotspot. If the fear is what's doing it. Or are we talking that you need to create technologies to thin the veil to this point?

Cristina: Possibly.

Jack: So from the other side creatures can come to this. I would fear alone. But we need some catalyst.

Cristina: Yeah. Because we see all this time distortion thing going on. That's not happening.

Jack: That's not happening over there.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Another theory for the same idea of the thinning veil is what if it's literally the same thing to get across. How do I put it? We need fear. They can see us. What if there's something on that side they have to do and then we see them give a point. What's the fear equivalent?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If it's one to one, what's over there that we need over here to suddenly start seeing them? Ooh, we haven't thought about that.

Cristina: I don't know. That's tricky. I don't know.

Jack: But makes sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If that's the case and is the kids in the playground who aren't there, they could get scared and then that, you know, thins that area a little more because foreign and exciting and. Oh my God. Well, we're kind of spooked out. There's people camping out there looking for things too, from the other side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It could be just as scared.

Cristina: So you think it works both ways? The fear itself.

Jack: Both sides are horrified because it's a fun place to go be scared.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so both sides are going and kind of scaring each other, not knowing. Oh, my God. There's something over there. People. People. It's just people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There are things. There's dangerous things. There's wolves and there's bears and there's snakes and poisonous and birds and crap and weird chimeras and. But also on the other side too. Just whatever things they got. But also they see weird things. But it's just us and we see weird things and it's just them.

Cristina: That's. Agree. That makes sense.

Jack: Makes so much sense.

Cristina: Yeah. It's just fear works the same over there as it does over here. Okay.

Jack: And if it's not literally fear, we can just put the value of X and call it fear. Anyways, they have something.

Cristina: We got something that works the same.

Jack: Interesting. Useful, right? Yes, interesting. Everything on this list is useful. It's important. And in like crazy thought reframing.

Cristina: Wow. Yeah.

Jack: So there's definitely something weird going on. I don't know if they're causing it or trying to contain it. Unclear. That's what we need to be looking at that castle for.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But it brings up the theory that there is something going on. And then the Druid himself walking through having gotten some ambrosia, fades away because he crossed over. Meaning you do need the thing to cross over. But then we connect the fact that we didn't consume anything when we were in paradise and it seemed that we.

Cristina: Did crossover some event happening is important. The time distortion thing, because we would have these still anywhere. Like, why is this the spot?

Jack: No, 100%. 100%. I do agree. I think this is an overlap of many things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I think things happened here either on the other side in the future or in the past. And that created just enough disturbances had to happen so long ago or so far in the future or somewhere we just can't find that then makes us not know what this is. And it's just a unique place that we can't be like, oh, no. It's unique because of that. We don't have that answer. So we're just like, oh, it's weird and spooky and that gets people excited to go there. And then that sort of perpetuates the fuel of fear and crap.

Cristina: But something had to start.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Not sure where, when, but something yeah.

Jack: The distortion seems to be unrelated to the spooky s***, even if it kind of resulted in it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's just this came first and it allowed for other s*** to happen and now this s*** happens as a result of the curiosity from that s***. But it's still a super hot spot because it's where the thing, whatever happened.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So it's kind of like all of the things overlapping in one spot, making it this kind of complicated amalgamation of all the things we would define as ghosts and horror and mysterious. Now this brings us to the next part, which is again why we have to start looking in this area more seriously. Because the next sentence, I must say it as they describe it, but then we know really what it means, which is there are quite a hefty number of reports that identify flying objects that could only be described by the individuals as aliens.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: UFOs everywhere. We know who the UFO are.

Cristina: The sea people.

Jack: The sea people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And this is a hot spot that all this ghost activity and then we have UFOs. No, they're observing and probably landing places and checking out. Because they're probably the ones with s***.

Cristina: Yeah. They probably end up doing something there that causes whatever to happen to happen.

Jack: Exactly. You tell me UFOs. I know who we're talking about. You tell me UFOs over weird time lapse hot spots within places and shadow realm creatures. I'm like, bro, yeah. There's only one group of people that's doing this.

Cristina: Yes. And they're a group of scientists. Anyway, like obviously they're doing something weird, even if it's to stop themselves from doing the weird thing. Like some kind of Star Trek thing.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: They end up doing it anyways.

Jack: But then this tells us something else interesting. They do come out because these sightings are recent. The spot is recent. This is all recent.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This is the first mention we have modern day of something that is probably the sea people. Now. It would just be UFO and people being crazy if it wasn't where the f*** it is.

Cristina: Yeah. But is the same thing. Does that happen in the ranch that we were talking about a while ago?

Jack: Yes. So, yes. UFOs drowning in there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Weird, right? I mean, that was the whole thing we're talking about. It's paranormal, but it really means just ghosts and aliens and it's like.

Cristina: Yeah, yes, yes, yes.

Jack: There's a pattern here where you have a lot of quote, ghost unquote activity. You have aliens and it's like neither one of these are what you guys think they are.

Cristina: And before those stories, you had fairy story.

Jack: Yeah. In the same places.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, interesting. In both places. Kind of painting a lovely. It's becoming too easy to find what we're looking for.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The. In the collective of what they don't know is all one thing. Paints us the picture we're looking for. Kind of crazy, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now deeper into the rabbit hole. We got creatures that are unfamiliar, creatures that are likely familiar things that are probably the scientists. We know rituals. We got thinning veils. We got the clear shadow realm overlap. We got weird things everywhere.

Cristina: Everywhere. Yeah.

Jack: And then people say they see what they could only describe as sentient lights or orbs moving through the woods, responding to people and avoiding people. Usually the size of a softball.

Cristina: That sounds familiar.

Jack: I'm thinking fairies. I'm thinking this s*** has everything still to this moment.

Cristina: Till this moment.

Jack: I think all of it is in there. I think these are fairies and we're seeing what they would look like without coming through.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: We're seeing the shadow realm equivalent of fairies. Never thought about it. How would they look like if they didn't come fully, but they were still on their side watching us, if we thinned that veil.

Cristina: Interesting, because I. I don't know if we've talked about fairies like that.

Jack: Never cross our minds. It would apply the same. If it's all the same.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It would just be a different direction, but the same idea.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. They just see them moving around.

Jack: That's like an impossible to catch. Impossible. Just super fast. And seem to, like, not be phased by creatures. And just totally like the overpowered thing that doesn't care about anything is that orb. And it's like, weird. I can't confirm it's a fairy. I cannot.

Cristina: No, but.

Jack: But, like, what else could we be talking about? Yeah, we'll pin that as fairy for now.

Cristina: Mm. Could be a shadow realm creature.

Jack: Yeah, it could be. But the fact that it's a light kind of argue because the shadow realm. They named the shadow realm because of its dark characteristics.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: The fact that this is bright, a bright glowing orb, it's like, oh, okay. That's some whole other thing you're talking about.

Cristina: Okay. You know, yeah, that makes sense.

Jack: But yeah, that. That one caught my attention because I'm like, I've never thought about this, but I could only explain this as the opposite of the shadow realm, which I would say is all fame and, like, how would they look like if these guys look like shadows but they're not?

Cristina: What would the other guys look like?

Jack: They would look like light even if they're not. And definitely the most important thing here is Cross Castle, which is specifically the ruins of the castle that it's said to be haunted by spirits and consistently visited by alien presence. Which is like, bro, it's always being like, aliens are always a UFO's always hanging around. It's like, brother, come on, you just tell me.

Cristina: The Druids are doing rituals.

Jack: That's where Luciferians are at.

Cristina: Yeah, it's.

Jack: It's obviously there. Yeah. You're telling me aliens are watching Luciferians in a place where they're performing rituals and when weird creatures come out of. Come on, bro, that is.

Cristina: That's too much.

Jack: That's too much happening all in one place. None of this is coincidence. The fact that people are talking about it like it's random. Separate is stupid to me.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like you guys really think all this separate is happening simultaneously? Just maybe it's all one thing. Whoa. Yeah. As I go through it, it's just gonna get dumber because it's gonna be so obvious. You don't even need any of the information we've uncovered to really understand what's happening.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: At this point, like, bro, obviously, obviously. But yeah. So Cross Castle, that's gonna be the main focal point. And I think as we unpack all of the details that matter to all these right now we're just skimming through, and then we're gonna truly deep dive into all these things. We're. We're in here for the long.

Cristina: Starting at Cross Castle, right?

Jack: No, we're ending at Cross Castle. That is the last point we will get to.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Because I'm sure when we get to that, all the other points are going to become null and void. So I want to leave that for last so that we just don't run out of s***.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: But Cross Castle will be the very last visit out of all the things we deem are important here. Now, revisiting the mysterious animals that seem to be unknown, there are a couple of things that ring familiar with the descriptions of these animals. Now, oftentimes are considered exotic because people are just unfamiliar with the animals that there are. But there are two descriptions that ring very powerfully. There is an old research paper of a journalist who was digging through these things, John McLean. And John, in looking at these things, says a nearby zoo had animals escape. According to their mention, the zoos.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But it seems that there was no forced entry upon police speculation. So it must have been a clean job. It's a zoo. There's no such thing as a clean job. So they gave the animals to somebody. That's weird. One fact random. Other note from a different. These are not journalists, these are people, okay, describing what they've seen, claim that the animals they witnessed are hybrid animals. Chimeras, literally.

Cristina: We do know about a scientist that was working on chimeras in real life.

Jack: Though, about many sciences.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now where this becomes relevant is when we look at what was taken from the zoo. Lions went missing.

Cristina: Sea people's favorite animal.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay, yeah. Were there horses?

Jack: Horses went missing, huh? You got anything else? You're on point.

Cristina: Those are the only two main ones I can think of.

Jack: Horses went missing, lions went missing, eagles went missing.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You see where we're going? It's just visually on point.

Cristina: We got the flying horse. The flying horse.

Jack: Eagle, flying lion. Oh, exactly. What the we're supposed to be seeing is what went missing from the. And no broken entry. How'd you take eagles? How'd you take horses? How do you take lions? No broken entry. Come on, you serious? That's a breeding ground. Those animals were donated, by the way.

Cristina: They're donated.

Jack: They were donated to the zoo. Oh, zoo's in on something, isn't it? Oh, you see, it's weird lines. It's like we don't even need to dig deep to understand some of these pictures. You tell me exactly what's missing over there is what people saw. Hybrid over here. What are the odds?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Just a coincidence, you know, just like they think isn't this is unrelated to that. It's just all random coincidence. It just so happened to be that only horses, lions and eagles are stolen and you see hybrid lion, horse, eagles over there. It's fine, it's unrelated.

Cristina: Unrelated. Okay, you're going.

Jack: You jump into speculation, man. What are the odds that exactly what's taken over there shows up over there? Fused.

Cristina: Were there any other animals taken?

Jack: No. Okay, horses, lions and eagles specifically. Yeah, no broken entry. The two explanations are escaped and were stolen in neither case could have happened. No, neither could have happened. You guys had to open and let them be taken. That's the only way. Yeah, crazy random details, not saying any of this means anything for anybody who thought this was always just coincidence after seeing everything put together. But whatever, you know, total coincidences. Then we get still on the topic of animals, what people describe as. And we know exactly what these are. Phantom animals, ghostly sightings of long dead pets, including dogs, cats, appearing alone in these areas. Very interesting detail here that these ghost creatures are pets. And that they're in this area because it would be the place where you would see the things from the other side. And if the veil is incredibly thin, then if you live in the area, your dog looking for you follows your scent like a wetchudge would and lands in Clinton Road tracking you. And then you see your long lost dog who's been dead for a while.

Cristina: Do they say like if they behave like an echo or.

Jack: No, these are just fully. Yeah, they feel like these are actually phantoms interacting and like. Oh my God, is that my dog? Oh my God. And then disappears.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And it's like. Okay.

Cristina: This makes sense to be a spot where they'd.

Jack: Exactly. Where they would pop up. This fits the graveyard.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That very well. People will go there because it's just a beacon for dead s***. And then you can go see your loved ones there.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: This could be the same thing. It's just a beacon for dead s***. And anybody who lives close maybe comes here to scare themselves once in a while, but your s*** is already in there somewhere. And once in a while you might just cross paths and see it. So I think that's very interesting. Weirdly and. Yeah. Yeah. It's weirdly enough. A lot of the visitors, like, this is my first time here. Like I saw my dog in there. It's like. Yeah, it's a beacon for deadship. Yeah, it's the hot spot. One of the. The other point that this makes me think about if the Vikings had one and we have one. Every major populated wooded area where people go missing is probably some s*** like this.

Cristina: Yeah, you gotta look into every.

Jack: There's an easy one. Japan has a forest of death where people allegedly go and commit suicide.

Cristina: Yes. There's gotta be weird stories coming out of there. If anyone just goes in there, they go in for the stories, but they see other s***. They gotta.

Jack: Yeah, I am sure now with the perspective this all we ever get more information. And then it enlightens other situations. And now we know this is probably the same as the Vikings place, which means we have a second one of these. But if there's two, then there are more.

Cristina: So much more. Yes, yes, yes.

Jack: There has to be a lot. And if we're talking Japan has the forest of death and Jesus went to Japan.

Cristina: That has been chosen for a reason. Okay.

Jack: F****** force is old, bro. Ours isn't. That forest is.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's been spooky to people for millennia.

Cristina: Yes. There's got to be some kind of energy or something that is involved.

Jack: Something. There is More important, Jesus himself thought that.

Cristina: Mm

Jack: Now we move to the next part of this. Here we're talking about undeniable s*** that we don't have to theorize about. Specifically with the next thing I'm about to say. People have found items in the woods that they believe look like cursed artifacts and relics. They use the term magic. That oftentimes when somebody tries to reach one of this, they've seen these artifacts begin to glow.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Or behave weird. Oh, it looks like a rock. And when I try to reach for the symbols on it light up or something. And it's like, maybe you're just looking at technology.

Cristina: Fairy technology, Shadow Room technology, Elysian technology.

Jack: Why would it look like our stuff unless it was made by earthlings. Okay, which would be the.

Cristina: But you said cursed.

Jack: They're describing it as cursed.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: People who don't know who wandered through the woods. All of this is just people who don't know. Every description we've given, there's people who don't know and they say cursed. They see a piece of stone with symbols on it, they reach for it and it glows. And they're like, it's cursed. That's an uninformed assessment of a piece of technology you're looking at.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: Of course, anything sufficiently advanced enough would look like magic. That makes sense. Oh, I reached for it lit up. It's cursed. It's woods with Luciferians. There seem to be demons in here. And then I find a rock with a diabolical looking symbol. I reach for and it lit up. It's cursed. Checks the narrative. It checks out with the narrative they're painting. Yes, but that means that there's so much activity here that there have been pieces of technology left, left, right. That means that some Alicians maybe have been killed in these woods running experiments. And like a wet judge breaks out.

Cristina: And like, off them, something horrible is happening there. So currently, not just in the future, is there something gonna happen, but there's.

Jack: Something currently happening, energy wise, we don't know. But we do know, activity wise, never stopped.

Cristina: Never stop.

Jack: We don't know if there's a giant machine being run, a machine that was run, or a machine that's gonna be run and where it's at. Exactly. We don't know any of that, but we do know activity wise, since the moment it began, it has not stopped.

Cristina: It's not gonna stop. And it's not gonna stop. Looks like it's not gonna stop.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yes. And I wonder if we'll see these items Again, yes.

Jack: So I actually have mad stars next to that now. Because we've found images of technology from the past. I want to see what the f*** there. Somebody had to be brave enough and pick one up and be like. Or took a photo on their phone or something. You know, show it to me. So I'm gonna dig and find something. I want to see what it looks like. And then. Is it in a book? Can we find a hieroglyph with an image of it? Yeah, you know, anything. Just give me one image and I will cross reference everything under the sun until I find something.

Cristina: We're gonna find something.

Jack: We have to. They. It's. It's more than one person saying this happened.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There are cursed artifacts that people have talked about. It's like, okay, okay, now we're on to something. And that's unquestionably something obvious.

Cristina: Yeah. But when I think of like, if they're gonna call something cursed, does that mean something happened to the people? You know?

Jack: Like, no, they don't know. They're. If they're reporting it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Nothing happened to them. They just don't know what they were looking at.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like, if they're telling you about it, they made it out.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Otherwise they wouldn't worry about the thing. They'd be like, people died in the wood, you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're like, no, I saw a weird thing. It was probably cursed.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like, okay, then nothing happened. They're just using s***** language because they don't know better.

Cristina: Alright.

Jack: They don't know no better.

Cristina: You gotta check that out though.

Jack: So coming back to the idea of animal rituals, the. This is so related to me. Pretty often people find mutilated animals. That's just like a literal report. Mutilated animals usually on the curbside or roadside. Yeah. And the, the exact descriptions go like, they find animals in the woods. They're speculated to be result of the occult rituals. Oftentimes opened from the chest down to the belly button. You know, kind of that area.

Cristina: That's what you think you saw?

Jack: That's literally what I saw. Literally what I saw.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Literally what I saw. Yep. The deer cut straight from its neck all the way to its private parts and then just opened. That's it.

Cristina: And it looked like it just happened.

Jack: It looked like it just happened. I didn't think about this next part until this very moment. And now I'm disturbed because I think about this next part until this very moment. I've told you a thousand times about that deer.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I never once saw blood on him or the deer. That's f****** weird. I never thought about that for the last 15 years. Never crossed my mind. There was no blood. Not a bit. I told you. I even f****** walked and was looking at it up close. I was amazed by what the f*** I was looking at. The guy was in a white robe.

Cristina: Yeah. No blood.

Jack: No blood did cross my mind when nobody questioned anything.

Cristina: The deer. No blood.

Jack: Deer, no blood.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: Weird, yes.

Jack: Now I have less idea what I saw. That's weird. Now I have less idea what I saw. I don't remember any blood. I don't know why. I don't know why the f*** doesn't cross my mind.

Cristina: So right now the whole situation's weird.

Jack: Yeah, it is f****** strange as h***. This strange one spectral fog. So a thick, unnatural fog that rolls in suddenly, obscuring vision and often causing travelers to lose their way. Now people say this fog is so confusing, it feels like the Roger movie. Is this fog literally what it looks like? When the veil is thinning more, you're seeing the other side, so it looks unclear.

Cristina: Yes. When you saw. But you didn't see fog?

Jack: I didn't see fog, no. But also we crossed something.

Cristina: Yeah, I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. Something to look at. I got everything here. Something to look at. All of it somehow relevant.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We've never heard this before. First mention of a fog that rolls in right before things start to jumble up.

Cristina: But you saw things jumbling up and no fog.

Jack: No fog. I saw a jumbled up mess and I never saw fog.

Cristina: Strange. I don't know.

Jack: Okay, let me do some f****** rapid fire. Running out of time. G******. Okay, okay. This is important as f*** because I didn't even know this existed. I only found. This is one of the. It's towards the bottom of this list because it's one of the last things I found. Just looking through this and I'm like, what the f***? Nobody's ever mentioned this. There are mines out there. Mine, mine. There's old mine tunnels said to be haunted by spirits of miners who died in them. People have been seen coming in and out of the mines, bruh.

Cristina: People might be going in and out of the mines.

Jack: I don't think that's Rose, bro. Think about this real hard.

Cristina: We know people are experimenting.

Jack: There are mines going way out of sight. Let's take another moment. Eloi built his lab in a cave. When you go into those caves, you see the pipes going in random directions.

Cristina: Yeah. This could be a lab.

Jack: This could be a f****** Lab.

Cristina: I think it's a lamp.

Jack: The castle isn't in the center. The mines are. Of course, if we were to ever find a huge energy displacement, something, something. I think it's more likely to be in the mines. To be in the mines?

Cristina: Yeah, I think so.

Jack: It's also weird that that's the least mentioned thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There's been mines there this whole time.

Cristina: Well, who's gonna be exploring the mind?

Jack: It's not about exploring them. Why don't people talk about them? That's all. Just mention it more often. I've heard so many of these other things, I've never once heard of the mines.

Cristina: Most people disappear at the mines.

Jack: Fair enough.

Cristina: Who knows?

Jack: Like, fair enough. Fair enough. That's definitely, like. I do believe if we. If we're looking for something, it's the castle or the mines, one or the other. And at this point, knowing the past, it's probably the mines, not the castle. Castle is probably home or, you know, the top of the mountain. The place you get to before you walk to the other place. Yeah.

Cristina: The mines has to do with the sea people, but the castle has to do with the Shadow realm, the necromancers.

Jack: So we're talking just a hot spot for, like, literally, not just for activity of other things, but, like, there. Different groups are coming here to use this.

Cristina: Mm. We got fairies. We don't have any fairy trees.

Jack: We don't have fairy trees, but I'm about to blow your mind. Now that you mentioned fairies. One of the most consistent sightings of things here are gnomes. Weird, weird gnomes.

Cristina: Have we spoken about gnomes somewhere else?

Jack: Yes, we've briefly addressed gnomes. Gnomes, yes.

Cristina: Weird. Okay.

Jack: Oh, yes. And gnomes are fairies. Very type of fairy.

Cristina: Okay. Are they hanging out by the mines or they're just random.

Jack: No. And just in the woods, along with orbs, along with all the weird creatures, just random spottings of these things. Everything is out here. All of it.

Cristina: I bet there's fairy trees. But of course, no one could find the fairy trees.

Jack: If you did, how would you tell? Yeah, how would you tell? I bet there is a fairy tree. I bet if we look hard enough, we could find a fairy fort.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I mean, dude, there's the mine and there's the castle. Come on, bro. Everybody has a base here. Yeah, it's not big enough to lose a s*** ton of people, but it's big enough to have a couple of bases in here.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You know, it's starting to paint a real vivid picture. I think we're looking at a spot that's kind of like the city up in Norway. I think we're looking at a spot that's kind of like the city in India. These places where, you know, amalgamations of people get together and they can kind of coexist and maybe. Neutral zone. It's a neutral zone. You are beef. Whatever. You know, we got the un. I might hate you as a country, and you hate me as a country, and we're gonna go bomb each other later. But at the un, we all shut the up and we're just. Nothing happens here, or everybody here bombs you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so that would be the idea, Right? The space. Neutral territory. We can't do anything to each other here or the other groups collectively. F*** you up.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Neutral territory.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so a fairy can gladly be here, knowing the Elysian can walk right by him. Be like, I'll get you when we get out of here. You know? Because if you do violate. Well, how many other groups are here that are just gonna. Well, we're not gonna let you violate our safe spot. Even if we don't like them, too. We're gonna you up, because now we can't let you do that because then you might do it to us too. And, like. Okay, so neutral zone where everything weird happens.

Cristina: I think so. That sounds like that.

Jack: Because we've seen too many different things now.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Too many conflicting interests coexisting. There must just be enough of something to go around. What is it?

Cristina: What's going on? They're all interested.

Jack: Mm. Now, this next one is definitely gonna be the hardest one to unpack, but it's also like, the clear. Yeah. People have probably even touched one of these buildings. People come across invisible barriers. And there's one group of people who we know are really good at making invisible s***.

Cristina: Just making invisible things.

Jack: The Alicians. The people who make entire mountains vanish. I guess the people who can be in plain sight and their civilization not be in there.

Cristina: Okay. Yes, we know they're in there.

Jack: They're in there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But, yeah, people have literally, like, come across, like, what the f***? I can't go through?

Cristina: And it's, like, kind of scary.

Jack: Yeah. You're just probably touching a building or some s***. You don't even. You can't see it, so you're like.

Cristina: Which matches the whole. Like, they're going up and down. You're seeing these weird ways that they're walking. Like. Yeah, it could be.

Jack: Well, no, they wouldn't be. You wouldn't see them at all. They would be invisible in the building.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: Everything in there would be invisible.

Cristina: So that's the shadow realm, the other one, I guess.

Jack: No, that's the elation. Cloaking technology.

Cristina: No, not that. The people that you do see walking up and down.

Jack: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Those people must be in the shadow realm. You must be watching movement within the shadow room, for sure. But these people are definitely not like, this is the fact that they. They literally set invisible barriers.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like, oh, man, that's so specific, bro. I don't even know what to do with that information. That means we just gotta walk a ton of Clinton Road, broad daylight, and just. Just such things run until we hit something that doesn't. That isn't there, I guess.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I don't know how we would find it, but, like, people have come across it.

Cristina: Yeah, that's. That's tough.

Jack: Tough. But this also suggests something different. Elysians can find their building without uncloaking it. They must have something to show them where it is.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess. They have the technology.

Jack: Other obvious thing that is here are, you know, time slips. Little thin places, people. That's the primary thing we think is dominating this place. A s*** ton of thin places everywhere. And creates the main attraction, which is probably what everybody else is there. Abusing ways in and out of different places.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: And that's in abundance. People are like, I f****** went through here. I felt like it was a five minutes. And then when I got to the other side of this tree, it was f****** night.

Cristina: Okay. Now, there's a lot of stories like that.

Jack: That s*** is the most abundant kind of story. That is literally the most common occurrence. There is seeing something weird that can't be explained. The truck and people losing time. Those three events. Those are the most consistent things that happen. People see a truck a lot. That guy's out there desperate, okay. He's desperate. Seeing shadows and crap super common. And then people losing crap tons of time or moving in unbelievably quick. They're going. They began. Two minutes later, they're on the other side.

Cristina: That's strange.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's 10 miles. How'd you do it?

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Going back to odd symbols, there have been symbols found on stones. There have been symbols found on structures. There have been symbol found on odd relics and artifacts. The weirdest one is symbols found on trees that seem to always be in pairs.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: What people describe always seeing two. I want to find images of this. I couldn't.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But people say fine. Always finding to. I had to say, because I know you're gonna ask, are the photos but two trees next to each other with exactly the same symbol on both trees?

Cristina: What could that mean?

Jack: What could that mean? Kind of sounds like a lazy portal.

Cristina: To me, I guess.

Jack: Right. Because it's still the arch. You still have the two walls to it.

Cristina: If you.

Jack: I don't know how. If the top is requirement. But like, I don't know. I'm just thinking, like, what could I picture possibly me. So, yeah, that's. That's what we get. Those are the important things to look at. This is the thing you need to.

Cristina: Look at that there's so much. Yeah, yeah. We gotta look at everything.

Jack: There isn't one thing I mentioned on.

Cristina: This part that we don't need to look at.

Jack: So this is why I called this what's significant.

Cristina: It's all.

Jack: It's all significant. I'm telling you. We're here for the long haul. This is a lot of crap to dig into.

Cristina: Yeah. Whoa.

Jack: There's a lot. Yeah. It's ridiculous. So, yeah, this is what we have, man. There's a crap ton. We, we got fairies, we got thin places. We got creatures from the Shadow Realm, we got Elysians, we got fairies, we got science experiments. We got people desperately trying to get back. People somehow just casually crossing to the other side. We have places with extremely thin veils that make it indistinguishable. We have that as an explanation to how people in the past managed to get in and out without ever actually going in. We have. Have too much information going on. Everything. Everything is here. All of it happens here.

Cristina: You have a lot of missing people.

Jack: We have a lot of. We have a lot of missing people. But that's a clear one, man. Because they're either cultivating a way to get through or there are stones being made. Maybe s***** ones. Could be just enough to do casual things. Yeah, you need something huge. You don't need a crap ton of people. Yes. Need a casual stone. Take two or three people.

Cristina: We have a deer with no blood.

Jack: A deer with no blood. We got chimeras. Obvious chimeras. A zoo that's somehow tied to it.

Cristina: Yeah. Weird.

Jack: So, yeah, that's what we got for you guys. So, you know, if you guys have any input, any ideas, any in. Anything interesting, any information additional. I think I didn't mention that. You guys think is relevant and falls into here, please. We're kind of just. Yeah. Connect Dots connect.

Cristina: Yeah. There's so much connecting we got to do. We tried our best but like anything.

Jack: We didn't see feel free. Call us stupid just give us the answer but what you got to do just tell us what the answer is.

Cristina: Yeah help us.

Jack: And you could do all that by going to our socials. You can contact us at just convopod on X on TikTok on Facebook and not on YouTube because we're not there anymore.

Cristina: And remember to subscribe ran review the show.

Jack: Yes and word of mouth is one of the most important things in the world. Let everybody know that we have discovered so many things and that maybe they want to know about it.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: Sam.

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June 22, 2024

Rambling 278: Skinwalker Ranch

June 22, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

What goes on at the Skinwalker Ranch? What are the stories of this place? Did the indigenous people of the region have anything to say about this place? The duo dive into the extremely active paranormal Skinwalker Ranch. A hotspot for all strange and unexplainable activity. The goal? To link the paranormal activity to high energy circumstances related to hermetic technology.

+Episode Details

Skinwalker Ranch
Paranormal Investigations
Aerospace Research
Secret Government Programs
The Sacred Ute Land
The Cursed Navajo Land
High Energy Technology

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas, and we're in a new chapter in life. Finally, we got our way out of that to some degree, right? We.

Cristina: I don't know. I feel like we went back.

Jack: No. You gotta understand that when it comes to the Elysian saga, we've entered the part of the Supernatural series. The show Supernatural. Cw guys, go watch Supernatural. It's really long. Don't watch it so long. You gotta commit to life. Watch it. It's so good, though.

Cristina: It's so good.

Jack: So good. It's like watching a Supernatural soap opera. There's a lot of brotherly drama. Oh, my emotions. Oh, you. You didn't stand by me, brother. Oh, but I'll do anything for you, brother. And like, I'll write or die, regardless of how evil you are. A lot of that going on. But soup. I don't even know what the. My point was.

Cristina: We are doing Supernatural stuff.

Jack: Oh, yeah. We're totally super. Oh, right. And we're in the part of like. So Supernatural goes through this sort of series of AR season one. They're hunting random little monsters to kind of get together with. We're getting familiar with what they do as the bigger story starts to evolve as all shows happen. But eventually enough seasons go by and everything is the big problem. So eventually going back to the first season style episodes, which will just be one episode here and one episode there, where they're just hunting small things is more exciting than the big story sometimes because you get to see what they were always doing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Except now the world is always ending. And so, like, they can't just go hunt little things.

Cristina: The world is always ending.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: First season started with the world almost ending.

Jack: They didn't know the world was ending.

Cristina: They didn't know that the gates were going to be open or something.

Jack: No, that happened at the end of, like, season four or something.

Cristina: Ah, okay.

Jack: You're talking about. They're just trying to discover the first season. One was just finding their dad. They're like, wait, dad's missing? Where's dad? And then season two was like finding details about their mom and the yellow eyed demon, you know? Oh, no. I was way into it.

Cristina: I'm.

Jack: I'm totally. Anyways, we're in that part. We. The first season. Then there's the middle part, which is a bunch of filler. No, there's a bunch of actual world ending. Everything is world ending.

Cristina: There's no more filler episodes.

Jack: Filler ended. But occasionally in there, we'd have. Which we did. Occasionally. But eventually they're gonna get. They get to a point. Right. We're realistically in the real universe, not in a show's concept. You stop the big problem and you go back to the smaller s***. It's not just immediately another world ending. Like, what the f*** shows need to do that. But on average, you stop a colossal issue, and then you wait a million years, and then some other person has to deal with the next one.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So we're in the real version of that. We're now we're done with the elisions, specifically. As far as we know, it might come up later.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then we have to jump on this road again. But as for now, Castiel and Crowley are doing their own mission. And later they're gonna be like, we got a tip. And we're gonna be like, oh, no, back to it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But until then.

Cristina: Until then, we're ghost hunting.

Jack: We're hunting anything. Why ghost hunting?

Cristina: Supernatural hunting. Ghosts are supernatural.

Jack: Alien supernatural.

Cristina: No, that's sci fi.

Jack: Fair enough. So then why are we doing supernatural hunting?

Cristina: Because you said supernatural. You mentioned supernatural, that's all.

Jack: Oh, I said supernatural.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, I mentioned supernatural, the show. Oh, no, I was comparing the format of the show. Okay, yeah, fair enough. Fair enough. I was comparing just the format of the show to what we were doing. That there's a big issue and then a bunch of tiny little things in between. And then in the real world are probably just gonna solve the big issue or get to a dead end and then go do their job again until they get a tip or something. Because they're not just gonna sit. I mean, sure, they waste probably a bit trying to dig deeper and be like, no, there must be here. But eventually, long enough with no results passes. And they're like, sam, you gotta stop being obsessed. We have to move on and do some other thing and hunt the lady who's killing these people, who is not a big monster, but still killing people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Sam's gotta be like, yeah, you know what? You're right. I can't be obsessed. But then some point of killing the ghost that's killing the people.

Cristina: You get a hint.

Jack: Yeah, it's. Oh, my God. Somehow disconnected. And the revelation happened like, what the. Your life is disconnected to everything. Yeah, of course, that's explained why it's the case or whatever later. But then watch the show you enjoy. Anyways, last week, because of essentially reaching a D, we came to an interesting series of information which connects in idea to what we were talking about, which is essentially the same concept of people running experiments and people trying to get to things. But what we discovered is that there's trackable residue of people trying to get.

Cristina: Into like, the shadow realm.

Jack: Not even just trying to get into the shot. It could be getting into the shadow realm. It could be making stones. Something causes a huge disturbance. Because making a philosopher's stone is essentially to some degree interacting with the shadow realm, then we never thought of it like that. No, but it is what is happening. Right. Because adrenochrome allows people to connect to the shadow realm. Okay, interesting. And a philosopher's stone is just adrenochrome solidified that you do not consume, so it doesn't affect the user, but it's. It's still itself made of adrenochrome. And adrenochrome itself is what connects to the shadow realm. Okay, so, interesting point. A philosopher's stone is in fact a tool to connect to the shadow realm. So it makes sense that disturbances would do so.

Cristina: It has to. It has to. That makes sense.

Jack: It's a fascinating piece of information that I didn't think about before. Anyways, last week we were investigating Sarah Lockwood.

Cristina: Her mysterious house.

Jack: In her mysterious, interesting house that seemed to be the ground zero for some sort of shadow realm investigation or some sort of philosopher's stone creation location. Although in her case, it seems specifically a portal is being built.

Cristina: Yeah, a lot of it doesn't look like she was sacrificing people. There wasn't stories of death.

Jack: No, no, no. But I'm saying that the subjects we're circling relate to because the fact that she's dealing with the shadow realm immediately connects her to the philosopher's stone. Even if she is not interacting with any of it, the philosopher's stone connects to the shadow realm. So we know if we find philosopher's stones or if we find portals, we might find these disturbances that we were talking about last week. Because both of them require so much energy.

Cristina: Yes. What exactly did she do to make a portal?

Jack: Don't know. We just know it was there. It was there and it was very minimalistic.

Cristina: Yes. And it had to do with a lot of math outside of itself.

Jack: Yes. It was a giant alchemic circle.

Cristina: Yeah, like, but I don't know, like, not even alchemic.

Jack: It was a hundred percent A. What do we call it? You know, a little drawn, whatever. I remember the name. Symbol. It's a symbol to channel energy.

Cristina: Okay. What she did with the house.

Jack: With the house. The house itself is the power source. But using no natural world energy. Well, no electrical energy. It's using and harnessing natural world energies, kinetic energy flow, those kinds of things in its design. Fascinating.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: And did it in such an intricate gradual way. And it had to be perfect. She refused to let people it up, put their ideas on the thing. No, you have to do it my way. When they didn't, she just kept it in herself. Yes, it was very important. But we believe this was to bring her family, people she loved and herself. Or at least there's two options here. Right. She either made it to come through, but it doesn't seem to be the case because they seem to be the what? A phantom. Right. We're making the distinction between ghosts and phantoms now. Ghost is purely echo. A phantom is like an echo, but it's an echo of a person present in the shadow realm. That's the distinction we're making, Right.

Cristina: Not repeating itself over and over like an echo.

Jack: It's not repeating itself over and over.

Cristina: Like, when people see her, she's doing random things. She's doing this, probably not doing like the barrel man who's just.

Jack: Yes, the barrel man is probably just the guy from the past. But this is what we have to clarify, right? There was definitely a huge energy disturbance that remains there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that's the house somehow sustaining the disturbance. And the house is literally just in our interpretation of what we know and what the situation is. She built the house so that it makes sense in the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that when she goes to the shadow realm and exists there, she has a home to live in and is protected from the horrors of the shadow realm.

Cristina: It's both a gateway, but it's also. It disturbs the time by doing that. I don't know why time somehow warps around.

Jack: Well, the trick here is she was at least familiar enough with the workings of the shadow realm to construct the house for herself on this end. That would be practical over there, instead of waiting to get over there and then constructing it over there. So even if the house itself wasn't a portal, she must have been able to come in and out in order to understand how the shadow realm works. So the house was a portal in to order in the construction of the house. So she must have been going in, understanding, coming back. Okay, if I do this, and I do That I go over there, modify like this, I do this, I do that. Which means another detail. This brings us right back to what I was talking about.

Cristina: What?

Jack: There's only one way she was crossing. If she had a portal and she didn't die first.

Cristina: Adrenal prone.

Jack: Right back. We're right back at the start because how is she sure you made the portal, but it's a one way portal. Unless. What? Unless you f****** had.

Cristina: She probably was feeding off her family. But like a vampire type of way with their fear.

Jack: Yes. You think she already died and brought her? That would make way more sense. Maybe she already had died, came back with adrenochrome and find yourself obligated to start preying on her sisters in order to sustain it. But then on this side starts crafting the home. Because now she's familiar with the other side.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So it was a. I'm on damage control. And then it assists her. The intention at least would have been to have her family for generations and generations living in the house so she can continue feeding on them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Luckily it became a tourist attraction.

Cristina: Yeah. Now that's feeding it.

Jack: And it stops her from going crazy that way.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: She built a Santa Claus esque situation that will continue to feed her. So she's the reason her ghost is now her spirit. Her phantom, specifically. Her phantom is the most prominent in the house of the apparitions. There. There's many ghosts that are echoes. There are many spirits that are entities that aren't her. And then there's a phantom that isn't even there but is an echo. Or what keeps her alive is these people. It worked out ultimately, even if it was her family she was trying to prey on. Fascinating.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's so many ways to look at this one scenario. But it would. In order for this house to exist, which we didn't discuss last week. In order for a house to exist, it would have required adrenochrome. Because how does she know?

Cristina: How does she know?

Jack: How does she know how it's turning out? How did she know the parts are making sense? She couldn't. She had the sea.

Cristina: Yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay.

Jack: Or. But it doesn't look like it because it looked like it was very gradual. The narrative is very gradual. If she was a necromancer can just step through and didn't need anything, then the house also doesn't matter.

Cristina: She was having help from things. Things from the other side. Because she did have those hooks.

Jack: Yes, yes. You know, again, it's a weird portal like location.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And she had a guest room. Yeah, that was the portal.

Cristina: Yeah. So like, she could have had some help from the other side as well.

Jack: Yeah, she could have.

Cristina: I mean, she's building a house by herself. That's kind of.

Jack: Additionally one of the most prominent things heard there, which we've. I mean, one of the most prominent things seen at that house is in fact, not seen. It's heard. And it's voices.

Cristina: Voices and footsteps.

Jack: Which when. Yes, which when we put it into reference, we know two other groups of people who are hearing voices. And these were important groups of people. We know the rabbi was hearing a voice from the other side with instructions on how to build and construct something. That's exactly what the rabbi was doing.

Cristina: This with the golem.

Jack: With the golem.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And other than the rabbi, the other person who. The Viking who made the Forest of Death. Oh, and they were also getting spoken to, right? Yeah, they were getting spoken to by these creatures from somewhere. Giving them instructions on how to continue to make this place more profound.

Cristina: Yeah. So she was probably talking to something.

Jack: That was explaining to her what to do, what to do. She did say she was trying to please the spirits.

Cristina: Yes, yes. Oh, yes. Yeah. She was into seances.

Jack: Yeah. She called the room seance room.

Cristina: Okay. Yep. Okay. Okay. Yeah. She had to be talking to them.

Jack: And she built the house. Did she build the house for them or did she build the house for her? Because again, she's the most prominent. On the flip side, maybe she was just clever and duped them.

Cristina: And duped.

Jack: Yeah. They're over here thinking, oh, we got her. Meanwhile, the. According to visitors, the person who dominates is most prominent and in control of that facility is Sarah Lockwood. So whoever the these people who were taught in, at the end of the day, she ended up in charge. So the question is, was she always? And that was her goal. So even if she is getting information from the other side, she's smart enough. And this is why this lady is prominent in the background. And this is why so many other things we didn't know.

Cristina: It's a win win. Like she got a bunch benefits, but so did whatever that was helping her out.

Jack: She gets to stay and not lose her mind. After consuming adrenochrome and crossing over, they get the same benefit. Plus to sustain themselves on this side through the house.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So everybody wants. Fair enough. It's mutual gain.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Nobody lost here. Her family gets to stay sane too. The ones who die and have consumed and can cross over, they get to also live there with her Forever.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And by providing this, those creatures are also. But here's a problem again. It comes down to the fact that she seems the one in charge. Fair enough. She built it. Maybe they give it a respect. You. You fulfilled your duties to us. So we're not going to interfere. We're just going to with the humans on that side.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we're not going to f*** with you. This is your house. We're guests here. You built it. This is. Maybe that's the actual. Again. We know Jin the. Well, not just Jin anything who is thinking on the other side is still just a person. And like we do. We are a******* over here. And like we're species this and a realmist. I guess super realm is. And we're like gin and monsters and creatures. And it's like those are people, man.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Those are just people. There are creatures and monsters. But we got. We got grizzly bears. That's a real just f****** thing over here. I guess we have hippos. That's just real. And we're like oh my God. Wetchudge. You mean like an animal from over there?

Cristina: So pretty scary animal.

Jack: Yeah. Okay. 100. I agree. So was a T. Rex. And that was just some walking around.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, that's just some casual thing. Normal. It was many of it. It wasn't one T. Rex. There were millions of T. Rex. That was just real. If there was one T. Rex. Oh, Godzilla. It's a monster. It's specific. No, it was just casual. So we got to think of it. It. Okay, yeah, it might be super weird, serpentine looking building sized monster. But like if there's a billion over there, like I mean it quote monster. But it's like normal.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It is weird. It does. It is horrifying. And I'm sure it's impressionable our first time over there in the shadow realm. Yeah. Because think of the descriptions of some of these things. Colossal, Godly. Something so huge you cannot see it. It's so big you cannot see it in front of you. You're seeing a tiny little fraction of it. What the f*** does that mean?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: But it's just normal over there. So at some point I'm thinking, right, imagine if you saw something maybe 10 times bigger than the Freedom Tower while standing in front of the Freedom Tower.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But ten times in every direction. So it's not just up, but like collectively. Now how hard would it be to see this thing?

Cristina: Pretty hard.

Jack: Pretty hard. But you could see it and it's Definitely you can recognize something like that being alive. It's harder, but you can recognize something like that being alive as opposed to the Earth that you're standing on and you can't tell details on if you stand far enough. If you're in Jersey City looking at New York City, well, you can see the creature alive doing its normal day routine over there.

Cristina: It would be easier to see.

Jack: Yeah, you're far enough. Yeah, you'd have to be super far in space to see the Earth doing its same routine, but from Earth. So presumably in the shadow realm, we'd have this kind of angular. Okay, makes sense. It's crazy looking, but. Oh yeah, look at the Titans all the way over there and they're Titan City. Funny, it looks like there are slides, but if we were over there, I couldn't see them. Yeah, casual conversations they probably have. Okay, I think you're totally right. It was mutual benefit.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And yeah, I. Maybe again, they're just people. They could just be giving her the benefit of the doubt and the respect. Like you built us a. You didn't have to. We made a deal across realms. And then you paid your part for what most of your people think are douchebags and like monsters. We respect you for respecting us.

Cristina: Sure.

Jack: Easy, right? So, yeah, I think that was fascinating. And that opened an interesting door again. The fact that we have now come to the conclusion that we have, or. Which is with. With proof. Because looking at the disturbances led us to the discoveries. We now know that there are disturbance residue for the creation of philosopher stones and portals. Because they are bending space, time, or at least whatever quote thing unquote is happening. Whatever. We're bending the creator portal to a different realm.

Cristina: Yes, but that place was a hot spot before she got there. It just got worse.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Yes, yes. So there could have been a stone made there. The stone is long gone.

Jack: That's what I believe is the case. Yes. Which was what we talked about last time. Something crazy happened there and then unknown what, but something happened there and then she came to harness the existing potential.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. Okay.

Jack: So using that information that there are in fact signatures, we came to a pretty basic conclusion. We can either find more portals or more stones, even if they're not perfect people trying. It must exist throughout time because we found it. Other people. There must be more clever people who have found it and weren't good at it and f***** up and left left signatures that we can track. And as investigators, that is our job.

Cristina: That's our goal.

Jack: Okay, so let's Dive into what we're doing. I'm gonna show you some images and I just want you to tell me.

Cristina: What you're looking at. Oh, this game again. Okay.

Jack: Very, very basic. So let's unpack. Tell the listener.

Cristina: We'Re looking. We're out in the sky looking down at. I don't know, it's too far to see if those are buildings. I'm assuming there's some building.

Jack: Yeah, there's buildings.

Cristina: There's a road.

Jack: It's a satellite view.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. Because there's like circ. There's little dots, like lines across. Are they saying that's in a circle?

Jack: I don't know. Yeah, they're measuring the distance from one end to the other. The lines themselves matter less. It's sort of just telling you the perimeter that we're kind of looking at, really in the imaginary circle that it's forming. What do you see?

Cristina: I don't really see anything. Some trees, Some buildings.

Jack: Some trees. Some buildings.

Cristina: A lot of desert maybe. It's. It's really brown where the trees are not.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Very brown.

Jack: Very brown. Very dry. Yeah, this is a grassy area. It's dry grass.

Cristina: That's dry grass. Okay. It doesn't. I don't know. I really can't see anything. It's too far.

Jack: Yeah, it's very far. You can see huge trees. Look really tiny. Tiny ginormous buildings. Look very tiny.

Cristina: Yeah, I can't really see the buildings either.

Jack: You don't have to tell the details. You can't see make out what you do. Don't focus on what is hard to make out. There's a main road.

Cristina: There's a road. Yeah, I said that. I don't know.

Jack: There's nothing really. Little side streets sticking out.

Cristina: Some bushes, some trees. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, you got a little road over here. And it looks like perhaps maybe these are facilities looking a bit like a trailer park or something.

Cristina: It looks like rocks to me. I don't know.

Jack: You wouldn't be able to see rocks at this distance.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You could barely see trees. It would have to be a building.

Cristina: Oh, it doesn't look like anything to me. It looks like boxes over here.

Jack: It looks like. Yeah, boxes are definitely not natural structures. You can assume a box is a building. There's like this box over here is huge.

Cristina: That's a huge box.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, that's a big a** building over here. It looks like there's a combination to the upper right of the image, there's a combination of a bunch of buildings and trees kind of tangled together. Maybe buildings hiding in shade. All right, let's go down to the next one.

Cristina: What are we looking at that's even worse? I think we see a giant hole. Is that a hole? Yes, very square hole. And inside that square hole is another square hole, I think. And it looks like it's right next to the building. Is that a building? I don't know.

Jack: Yes, these are buildings.

Cristina: It's hard to tell. I'm telling you what I see.

Jack: It's an infrared. Well, it's a heat. Yeah, it's. It's like infrared.

Cristina: It looks like they're buildings in a desert with a giant square. Ho.

Jack: You already know it's not a desert based on what you saw before, which. These are all the same place by the way. These are all one place.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So based on what you're looking up here with all the trees and stuff, you know this is not a desert.

Cristina: What would you describe it as?

Jack: I don't know. What do you see? What, what pattern makes sense here? Where would you see this kind of structure on Earth? Look, that Earth.

Cristina: I don't know what you mean.

Jack: Like what is the only places on Earth that look with little sections and divisions in the grass and then have a center hub with a bunch of tinier facilities at a distance? Usually in grassy savannah ish lands the country?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I mean obviously it has to be in the countryside, but anyways, what else do you see in this sort of night vision photo?

Cristina: Buildings. I'm just really curious about the hole.

Jack: Yeah, they know about the hole. Already told them.

Cristina: I know. That's all I really see. That's interesting. There's. I think there's a line there. Is that a path?

Jack: You mean a street?

Cristina: A street, yeah.

Jack: That's presumably this very same giant street. The one and only. Super strange.

Cristina: Where's that hole in that photo?

Jack: Tis the problem. Now you're starting to see the details that matter. Now you're looking. Keep looking. Now you're looking. Before you were pretending you were engaged. Now you're here. Exactly. Keep going. What else? Those are the details that matter also. Up close you can tell more of what we're looking at if you really look at the buildings, which I know you're not doing, but really look at the buildings and you know exactly where we are. Not exactly where it is, but what it is.

Cristina: I kind of don't know.

Jack: There's that little round building right there will tell you everything you need to know. Because that only exists in one Place like a farm. Yes, it's a farm. And the fact that there is a clearly obvious from top down, you could even tell the rounded top is a barn directly in front of the storage for the hay for the barn.

Cristina: First one, again, we can tell that in the first one that this is a farm.

Jack: Yeah. This is the divided land for a ranch.

Cristina: This is a ranch. This is a ranch.

Jack: All these facilities are on top of a ranch. You can see what we're looking at over there. Over here.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. Mm.

Jack: This is a farther away shot of the same location.

Cristina: It is.

Jack: Mm. This is way farther than the first one. The order of range would be this one, the first one, and then the second one.

Cristina: Where is any of this in this photo?

Jack: Right down here.

Cristina: Right down there.

Jack: Okay, go ahead and explain what you're seeing in this one to everybody.

Cristina: It looks like. Are we looking at mountains? I'm not sure. I'm not sure where I'm looking at.

Jack: This up here is the bottom of the other one you were looking at where you see the dryness over here.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. It looks very deserty, especially in that photo. It looks very deserty.

Jack: Mm.

Cristina: Are they on mountains or no mountains at all.

Jack: Just talk about what you're seeing. I'll give you information later. Just talk about what you're saying. No questions.

Cristina: I don't know what I'm looking at.

Jack: You don't need to know what you're looking at. Describe what you're seeing regardless of whether you.

Cristina: Squiggly roads. Two squiggly roads. And there's a circle on the bottom. I don't know if that's anything or that's nothing. I don't know. There's another circle up there that looks like a lake maybe.

Jack: All right, I'm gonna go my turn now describing what I'm saying.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We have a main road. Out of the main road, there are many smaller roads sticking out. It seems that every smaller road has at least some kind of little square box. This is the first image at mid range. We can see the little boxes in many different locations. We don't necessarily know what any of the boxes are initially. Upon looking at them. There seem to be two stacked next to each other. Little trailer park areas and like cul de sac formations. With the dirt roads, we got actual roads forming, leading to farmhouses and little property territories. We have faraway facilities presumably to put chickens and things of that nature. Assuming that we are looking at animal contained facilities on the photo, we were looking at the mid range one to the Bottom of the fold of the photo, which is the top of the other one is completely dry. Mountainy area that has very light dry grass is currently being built up to be used to have other animals on it. If we go farther away to the farthest image where the bottom is now the top, we'll keep referring to it in the way whether the dry side is at the bottom. Towards the top right of that image, we have a giant circular formation. Man made.

Cristina: Oh, that's a real hole. I thought that was like some weird. I don't know, I didn't think that was real. That was real. That is real.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there are two major roads going through here. There is the road that follows the entire division of the farm's grassland and the farm's mountainy dry land on the bottom of the image. And then at the top of the image, following the circle and the mountain range opposite to that, we have a sort of winding mountaintop road. This is the actual mountain on this side, not this side. You can tell based on the road having to kind of curve around. They couldn't just cut through.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This is not mountain.

Cristina: Although the road is doing about the same.

Jack: No, the road is moving the way you could drive full speed through here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Here you'd have to slow down because you would fall off. No, it's just wrapping around the edge as fine as it could.

Cristina: Okay, okay. Little thing there. That's a river. What is that? Is that water or. No.

Jack: Where? That's a facility.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Okay. And in the closest zoom of the image we have, we're focusing on the part towards the division of the dry directly landing us closest to the farmland. We have a hole almost identical to the circular hole, much smaller but square. Instead the structure is the same. It's a smaller hole inside of a smaller hole with the same shape that the other one has. For whatever reason.

Cristina: In circle has a circle inside.

Jack: It's infinitely built in such a way that it seems to kind of collapse. And so the effect you're looking at here is it's more narrow, but it's still a square. It's not really a hole inside of a hole as much as a hole continuously getting smaller, like a funnel.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so we're seeing where the light ends down there where we can't see farther.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's what looks like another hole in there. It's really just. We can't see light beyond that point.

Cristina: I see.

Jack: These are two ridiculously deep holes.

Cristina: Okay, okay. Weird. Is that important to farming? I don't know.

Jack: How do you know? What about what I just told you is important. Wait, you said important to farming.

Cristina: Yeah, because he said it was a picture of farm.

Jack: Yeah. I have no idea if I can assure you those holes have nothing to do with farming. I wouldn't even know what you could do with that for farming. Those holes are quite a mystery.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: So what I've just shown you is called Skinwalker Ranch. Skinwalker Ranch is located in Utah and Skinwalker Ranch is considered to be one of the most haunted places in the entire planet. It has attracted several huge companies that have gone to investigate what the h*** is going on.

Cristina: Supernatural activities, all kinds of activities.

Jack: Unless we're referring to alien activity as supernatural.

Cristina: Let's do that. Yes, let's do it.

Jack: Yeah. Because I'm trying to be specific and when I said alien you were like. No, like. Okay then.

Cristina: Okay. Yes, yes, yes.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: It's better to just.

Jack: Because if anything we should say paranormal.

Cristina: Paranormal.

Jack: Because supernatural is different. Paranormal is not average to us.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's outside of our normal. Yes, but supernatural means it's outside of nature. Our nature. And it's not outside of our nature. It's just within space. If it includes aliens. And in the case of these echoes, they look to be a space time effect. All of this is science fiction, or not even science fiction, science reality, I suppose. But using the terms from science fiction, essentially. So yes, it's a hotspot for paranormal activity and it's attracted many, many big companies. And the weirdest part is nobody can answer any of the questions they come to investigate. It's legit problem.

Cristina: Okay. And it's just a hotspot for random things.

Jack: Bunch of stuff which we will get into before you start asking about what about this thing. So we will talk about what?

Cristina: I have to just start with the name. But unless you want to talk about that later.

Jack: Skinwalker Ranch.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Has nothing to do with skinwalkers, if that's what you're interested in.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Unrelated. Some stories at some point people mentioned. See, this is a good that we start there because you'd fixate and it's irrelevant. Okay, I know that. Oh, but what about the. There's no Skinwalkers. It's just a paranormal name.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: A very common paranormal name because people fear skinwalkers. Although nobody could tell you what they think a skinwalker even is.

Cristina: Okay. So you're not gonna have any stories.

Jack: There are no skinwalkers.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There's not gonna be no skinwalkers. Oh, that's not okay, yeah. In fact, anybody who is discussed skinwalkers is usually confusing some other obvious debunkable thing. We were gonna do an episode of Skinwalkers a while ago until we realized most of it are simply creatures that have the ability to do humanoid type of things, like bald monkeys and s*** like that.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: And so I was like, this is dumb. And so like all of it was kind of aiming in that direction. So I scrapped that episode years ago. But yeah, skinwalkers aren't even a thing. It's just people who really, really, really, really, really want to believe in something paranormal and have nothing to grasp, prove skinwalkers exist because it's just creatures that people are Ms. Labeling.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So, yeah, it's not that I'm sure skinwalkers have come through here, but that's not paranormal. It's been like, yeah, I'm sure there's a weird dog that's oddly shaped and makes weird noises and ate somebody's creatures. They're like, oh, it's a chupacabra. A chupacabra is a skinwalker, by the way.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It's just all that kind of. I'm like, okay, yeah, whatever.

Cristina: But that's not important.

Jack: That's not important.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The Chupacabra is the English skinwalker. I mean, it's a Mexican skinwalker, I suppose, but yeah, Skinwalker ranch. You could, for lack of a better word, Chupacabra ranch.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's not even that there's chupacabra. It's just like. Well, when there's something weird in Mexico, you say the Chupacabra did it. And then if you find out it wasn't a Chupacabra, well, whatever. But we don't know what it was, so f*** it. The Chupacabra did it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Right. Skinwalker ranch, heavily paranormal. So things to note about this place. The results of the investigations that have taken place here are kept secret for the most part.

Cristina: Lame.

Jack: Yes, by all the companies that take apart. How many facilities have been built on the property is not clearly known. This is why it's important that we saw many facilities underneath some patches of trees and that random satellite images of this place show craters the size of the whole farm at random and then don't. At random. In random locations, inconsistent. For years you'll not see anything. And sometimes you'll just go on Google Maps and there's no farm. There's just a f****** hole there. We over and over it happens. Many reports of people. Oh yeah, I was looking for that and it's not. The Google must be blocking the thing. And somebody will go and like, no, what the f***? Some people have claimed to have gone by the farm and not have seen the farm.

Cristina: Is this like that Amazon show where the farm has is just a time. A time thing happening?

Jack: I bet that show is literally based on. On this Skinwalker Ranch.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: For one reason. The f****** hole.

Cristina: Oh yes. Oh yes, for sure. Okay.

Jack: It's a hole in a ranch that disappears.

Cristina: That disappears. And random things disappear too.

Jack: Yes. And it creates a weird space time anomaly.

Cristina: Yes. Where you'll see a mountain and then it's not there because it was there. But at a different time.

Jack: Yes, exact.

Cristina: So that's pretty much what's happening here. Like even Google can't be sure. You can't even be sure by looking at.

Jack: You can't be sure by looking at anything.

Cristina: Trying to hide anything.

Jack: They're not trying to hide anything.

Cristina: Time is messing with it.

Jack: Now let's go back a point. It's unclear how many buildings are there now. Some buildings are obviously obscured by location with trees and stuff. Now tell me, why don't we know how many buildings are there if we can just drive by?

Cristina: Because they might have been there at a different time. And you might see them now, but they actually exist in the future. Or they might have existed in the past.

Jack: Every single photo I showed you was focused over exactly the same point. Where were all the buildings? Every time I showed it to you, they were exactly the same image. And every one of those image was taken the same f****** day.

Cristina: The same day.

Jack: Every image was taken the same f****** day at different times. These are different satellite images from different places taking different images. Every single image had different buildings. Every single image had different holes. One of the images had no holes. This was all done the same day. They were doing different kind of lenses, they were doing different kind of shots, different distances and seeing different things every time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Skinwalker Ranch.

Cristina: Nice.

Jack: If anything has ever reminded me more of Clinton Road, it is Skinwalker Ranch. It doesn't matter what you're doing or how you're approaching it. It's weird and you can't explain it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No matter what you do, what angle you come from, what thought you applied.

Cristina: To more images or is this also. You were the best.

Jack: Every image you look at is different and it's they all. Because the point is I'm proving how f****** weird that is.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Yeah. Everybody puts it directly over the main farmhouse. Every version I showed you was directly over the main farmhouse. You Saw the main farmhouse in the center on every shot. And I could point it to you, but was the hole there and where the other buildings around there? Two of the images had the tall tower in front of it, one of them didn't. Those is the same f****** day.

Cristina: Yeah. So one of it had a hole right next to the fire, and the.

Jack: Other one had the hole way far away.

Cristina: That was a different hole, though.

Jack: That was a different hole. But that hole doesn't exist. Yeah, that hole doesn't exist in any other shot.

Cristina: Okay, the round hole.

Jack: The round hole, yeah. At least not in that spot. Yeah, the hole has been in other spots. So has the square one.

Cristina: Okay, that's complicated. But what? But those were people. People made those holes. They had to.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: I don't know. I mean, not recently or maybe recently.

Jack: Maybe in the future. Who knows?

Cristina: In the future? Yeah.

Jack: I don't know. I have no idea. It is very weird.

Cristina: That is weird, that. Yes. Okay. Wow.

Jack: Really, really weird. Okay. There have been a couple of companies, like I said, who've worked on this site, and they've worked on the site for different periods of time, Right? So we have the National Institute of Discovery Science and IDS, and they were active from 1995 to 2004. And this company was funded by Robert Bigelow to investigate paranormal phenomenon. And a bunch of, you know, experiments and crap were conducted for the unexplained events here. Then another company comes in called Bigelow Aerospace. Advanced Space Studies. And they were active from 2008 to 2013.

Cristina: So he had one and then he abandoned them and made a new one.

Jack: A subsidiary of Bigelow Aerospace focused on aerospace and UAP research.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And here the activities included working with the Department of Defense. Fence contracted to study UAPs and then explain phenomenon. That's ranch. So he came, he retires his company from it, and then he shows up again with a different company that's tied to the government. Why is the government looking at this?

Cristina: First he was interested in the weird sciencey stuff about it, but then he's like aliens.

Jack: Keep in mind, nothing he studies gets revealed to the public.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So he went to study, says nothing, leaves, come backs with the government, comes back with the government. Seems like he found something.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Enough for the government to be interested.

Cristina: Yes, for defense. Interesting.

Jack: Now again, they end in 2013.

Cristina: There's a third one.

Jack: The current research team under a man named Brandon fugal, began in 2016, and still studies there to the present, led by the new owner, Brandon Fugal. Consisting of scientists and researchers and they're basically continuing the research done on Skinwalker Ranch. The Bigelow had begun. So these are the three primary most influential. There's been other kind of insignificant groups coming and going. Nobody who seems important.

Cristina: But there's nothing on this guy though. He's just continuing what Bigelow was doing.

Jack: Yeah, he was basically coming in to also study the absurd amount of paranormal s*** that has been going on.

Cristina: And UFOs.

Jack: And UFOs isn't by saying paranormal. I was covering UFOs.

Cristina: I don't know. Yes, yes it is.

Jack: Okay, but this brings up an interesting point. Okay, what did you find? Bro came back with the government.

Cristina: What did he find? I don't know. Do people guess what they found?

Jack: Bigelow. The statement they had for being there in the first place was to investigate and study unexplained aero phenomenon and other paranormal activities to understand potential threats and scientific anomalies. Reported findings only the things that were allowed to put on paper that made or not allowed that they did put on paper that were allowed to be seen by the public were in small bullet points in order to justify their continued work on the property. Okay, so numerous UFO sightings and unexplained lights in the sky. Poltergeist like activities including objects moving on their own, strange animal mutilations with no clear cause. Cryptid sightings such as large and identified creatures collected extensive data but did not reach definitive conclusions on any of the previously mentioned. Which is a lie because he came back with the government.

Cristina: Yeah, for defense. So yeah, they had to have known what this was to come up with a plan to stop whatever it is.

Jack: Right, so he comes back with the government in 2008 and he stays there until 2013 instead of indefinitely. Interesting. So you got what you came for, did he?

Cristina: Because then isn't the third thing exactly the same?

Jack: They're not there for what he clearly found. Oh, they have no idea what he found. They're there thinking they're doing what his official message is. Oh, his official statement. They're there to continue that. Okay, the new guy is just a guy. Now let's take a quick look at what happens after he leaves. After shifting focus from Skinwalker Ranch, Robert Bigelow's company Bigelow Aerospace directed its attention specifically to developing an expendable space habitat. Designed and launched expandable modules like the Bigelow Expandable Activity Module which is currently attached to the International Space Station. Aimed at providing cost effective, flexible and larger living and working spaces for Astronauts. Commercial space stations. Which includes plans to create standalone space habitats for use by governmental and private entities in low earth orbit. And research and development focused on advancing technologies for long duration space missions and habitats that could support human life in space. He went to the ranch. He stayed at the ranch until he thought he had something. He removed his private company from the ranch, leaves, pops up with a different company, unrelated. Oh, this is government work. They seal off the property so that they can privately do their research there. And then they leave. And instantaneously we start developing extremely advanced space flight technology and we have the research survive in space.

Cristina: Okay, all right. That sounds really complicated. I wonder what he found.

Jack: I wonder what he found. Let's unpack some of this. We know a mass amount of energy must have existed there and was used for one of the two things that's causing this. It was either a stone or a portal. Something was done. Now, the amount of energy displayed here and what he's using it for tells us something very interesting. We have a ground zero that's very similar to this place. And it's Egypt and it's the pyramids. Extremely exaggerated concentrations of energy. Here's a very important thing I have to tell you. There was a giant square in the floor. If the square is a funnel, what is a square funnel? Upside down.

Cristina: A square funnel upside down.

Jack: Yeah. What's a square funnel? Upside down? Visualize it square flip the funnel.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And make it smaller like a funnel. So the base is at the bottom and it's square and it's gonna funnel up.

Cristina: What isn't a pyramid.

Jack: It's a pyramid.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There's a giant hole of something missing. That is a square funnel. That is an upside down pyramid. We know that the pyramid itself is only the top half of the structure because the bottom half is underneath the ground. And you would call that an upside down what?

Cristina: Pyramid. Yeah.

Jack: Okay, so the real structure is in a pyramid. It's a what funnel? It's a diamond.

Cristina: Diamond. Oh, okay. Yes. Together. Yes. Okay.

Jack: Yes. The real structure is actually a diamond. And that's the object that we know has created the most energy as far as humans have generated. The ability to just blink across the universe generated in that very structure. And that would create a huge space time problem.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If not controlled. There is a pyramid shaped funnel that is missing and is jumping around.

Cristina: It's jumping around the hole.

Jack: Move.

Cristina: Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Jack: If you were to try to make a device to teleport and the device went wrong, the device itself might disappear. But you're still failing to contain the energy the same way you would if you had no idea what you were doing. And then you create a spacetime disturbance. We have the hole where the device would have been and the space time disturbance moving it around.

Cristina: Do you think the circle hole is the same though?

Jack: I think the circle hole has to be something similar. That's what we were trying. If. If our conclusion makes logical sense.

Cristina: With the square.

Jack: With the square, then we would have to try to understand how that would apply. Because that hole is way bigger.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like 20 times larger than the farm itself.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's huge. It pops in and out. It swallows the whole branch sometimes.

Cristina: And the question is whether this is coming from a stone or a.

Jack: Or something that generated. My argument right now it's that it's neither a stone nor a portal. It's a teleportation device. It's this massive amount of energy that these people are working with that's causing the problem.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So although the stone and the portal aren't space time related, they are realm related. They must use enough energy from this side and that side to still create a problem.

Cristina: But they got that from the adrenal.

Jack: Wait. What are you talking about?

Cristina: Teleporting ability.

Jack: I don't know where they would have gotten the information. I have no idea who they studied. We don't know that. But we know that there is a funnel missing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the funnel moves around. So the funnel itself must be part of the energy. That's the only conclusion we have. The energy was coursing through that hole itself.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So the hole itself moves because that is the center of the disturbance. You get my point?

Cristina: See?

Jack: See, that's the logic I'm following. And I couldn't fit anything else into that hole other than a pyramid. Like that would be what's upside down there. And the only thing we know that generates that and has that shape and happens to be a pyramid isn't actually a pyramid. It's a diamond. And that would be the bottom half of it. We would have a pyramid on top. So somebody would build a teleporter there long ago. That was my theory. What do you think?

Cristina: Teleporter? I don't know. It does feel like it's somehow shadow realm related still.

Jack: It does. Right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So let's dive a little deeper then. He definitely found something. Bigelow found something and he started using it. There was a way to control energy or a way to innovate technology or something. You found something and then you Left with it. Maybe it's still there, but the information you left with it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now, the question is, what was this land to begin with? What happened here? What are you here finding out about? We got to go quite back to.

Cristina: The 1600s now, where cowboys roamed around.

Jack: I don't know. That's 1800s.

Cristina: 1800S. Okay.

Jack: So 1600s, we go, and we just have a bunch of indigenous people living on the lands. And the indigenous people already consider this land sacred, but they essentially say that about all the lands, so that's not a fair statement. Every land is your sacred land. Shut up, homie. Now, Skinwalker ranch was where a tribe called the UTE tribe existed, and they were always at war with the Navajo. So, yeah, there was, you know, but it wasn't like crazy war. It was, like, normal war territory and s*** like that. Okay, but that's not even the point here. Right. So the UTI tribe lived there in the Unta basin for centuries, which is what it was called originally. And they used the land for hunting, gathering, and seasonal migrations to stay alive. And they considered parts of the region spiritual, particularly sacred, including the area where the ranch was on.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The Navajo tribe also believed that land to be sacred, but because their ancestors came from that very spot. So it's more of a historical importance to them than it is sacred importance. And that's kind of where the conflict over that kind of land began.

Cristina: Okay. Sacred for both of them for different reasons.

Jack: Yeah. So basically, it comes down to a fight that is perpetual and infinite between cultural and spiritual. That's what it is. And it's like, you know, it's hard because this is where we come from, and this is what you guys worship. So it's like it's Israel versus Palestine. You know, we believe this, and we believe that. So definitely interesting. There are some details on, like, interesting paranormal things that happened based on their stories, but it's more of things that they would describe happen everywhere around them, not just this land with shape shifters and werewolves and just normal things. We've come across looking at native Americans, realm creatures, normal shadow realm creatures, but they exist not just on this property.

Cristina: Everywhere, Everywhere. Okay.

Jack: Now, where this takes an interesting change and why it matters specifically to, say, the 1600s is because the 1600s is where we see people started arriving who aren't from there. White people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Why? People start rolling up, and this is where it's gonna get really, really, really, really important.

Cristina: What do the white people do?

Jack: Okay, so several settlers arrive on the lands around 1600s and promise prosperity to the indigenous people.

Cristina: Of course. Of course.

Jack: Classic story. The indigenous people wrongfully trust the settlers.

Cristina: Oh, no. Oh, no.

Jack: What's gonna happen?

Cristina: What's gonna happen?

Jack: Way more surprising than you think. The settlers eventually begin to round up the indigenous people into camps. The camps were referred to as murder prisons by the Ute people.

Cristina: Oh, that's.

Jack: It's starting to build. It's starting to. Yep. It was unknown to the people of the land what the reason for the European massacre was. The primary detailed shared through generations. Seems that it was religiously motivated, primarily Christianity.

Cristina: Just to drink their blood.

Jack: A large focus on acquiring the flesh and the blood of Christ.

Cristina: Okay. Yep.

Jack: The UTA people mentioned the obsession the Europeans had with the blood diamonds, what they likely thought were rubies.

Cristina: Oh, okay, okay.

Jack: I don't think those are rubies.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Just saying.

Cristina: Obsessed with making stones.

Jack: Obsessed with making any stones and also drinking blood. Because it's the same thing. And Jesus isn't the one who pushes that narrative. No, Jesus is not the one we know who does. This is. They specifically say the Christian white man.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's a whole group of people coming from one group of people who's never stopped doing what they were doing. Now, this is the story I chose because of one important detail.

Cristina: The bloodstone wasn't the important detail.

Jack: The bloodstone wasn't the important detail. Because there are two pieces of information that I need to add as sauce here.

Cristina: What's the sauce?

Jack: The narrative passed by the UTA people was that the white Christian showed up from Europe to colonize and they were rounding people up and they were obsessed with the gems in the ground, the blood diamonds. They've never seen the blood diamonds. They were told that the blood diamonds are here, and we need to round you up in order to get them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: One thing that's within the conversations with a few of them civil enough to engage and try to elaborate where they were from and try to bridge communication, even if they're being enslaved and murdered casually. That then made it through history is the following. The Europeans that arrived were specifically from western and northern Europe, many from the United Kingdom, Scotland and Ireland, many from Poland, Sweden, and Norway.

Cristina: They were doing weird things. I remember.

Jack: Oh, man. It's crazy how little you remember and how everybody's on the other side probably screaming, oh, my God.

Cristina: How do you know there's so much information.

Jack: There's only two reasons to remember how Ireland and Norway tie together.

Cristina: Sea people. Not sea people. They're. They're. They're whatever those things are called.

Jack: Yes. So when the mass migration happened during the time of Christ. As they try to flee, three lines go. One hits the Atlantic Ocean, one lands in Gaza, and one goes up to Norway, probably to this specific part of Norway where the Nephilim are.

Cristina: The Nephilim, that's what.

Jack: That's a Norway. Also. The entire troop they've already established, experimenting and testing in the Isle of Man are based on the local. Nearby island and Ireland. This is all Alician people.

Cristina: The white people that are.

Jack: They showed up.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This is the Elysians rolling in. Or sending people. Humans. Sending humans who are still aligned with them to experiment. Not to experiment. They know what they're getting. It's very, very obvious. It's not an experiment. There's no science being done. They know what they're there for.

Cristina: The stones.

Jack: The stones. Go make stones. The people roll up. They immediately start gathering the people and talking about, we need to acquire these rubies. And somehow the only way to do that is through God. And in order to do that, we need the blood and the flesh of Christ.

Cristina: My dude, they're trying to prepare to fight Jesus with all these stones. Question mark. I don't know. That's a lot of stones.

Jack: It's a lot of stones. This was long ago. This was 1600s, man. It's weird.

Cristina: Those stones. Be.

Jack: I don't think the stones could have been too huge, but we're talking a long time ago, too.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It gets. It's f****** weird, right? Like, what's happening in this place? Well, it gets a little odder because now we're actually in cowboy Times.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In 1850s, the United States government showed interest in the territory, sending out a military troop to occupy the region and remove any and all inhabitants. Following this incident, the land has actually been owned by descendants of European bloodlines since it was acquired and placed under people who are directly tied to the first group of individuals who cleaned it out.

Cristina: The sea people or whoever.

Jack: Whoever showed up. Which presumably is not the sea people, but people who are croonies.

Cristina: Cronies. Yeah.

Jack: Related, because we would be like. Well, in the 1600s, some God, like Adonis is rolled in, and it's like, we don't have that story. No, we just got white people rolled in. European white people. And it's like. But where they came from is like, we know they're there. You came specifically from those two places? Are you kidding? Sometimes lines just line up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So I don't think we have to. We don't have to reach to get anywhere here. This makes kind of a Lot of sense. And whatever stuff was left there, abandoned, was acquired by Piccolo.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There was a massacre. Many stones were made. Probably some stones were left behind, but the energy displacement continues. That explains all the paranormal s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now the United States government confiscates and tries to find him. Cannot. A guy whose expertise is finding hard to find things gets hired by the United States government. He goes in with his private company. He then starts looking. He says, I actually believe if you guys give me the proper resources, we can get this done. Yes, I believe it's possible.

Cristina: You think the teleportation, though technology has something to do with the stones?

Jack: I think the roundup was all of the above. I think there was. They knew how to build a teleporter. They knew how to build a teleporter. The funnel, the square funnel has shown up for dozens of years. That's old. So. Yes, that's been there. It's possible that knowing how to build a teleporter because they can't access their old one, in the 1600s, you know, they abandoned Egypt and they're closer to the United States. They can just roll in. Okay, so you have the ability to make stones, the ability to make teleporters, the ability to make gates. You find land that already has weird fears attached to it. Easy to control a lot of people, fighting a lot of death over here.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Easy to kind of start there. Same thing that happened with the lady. You find a spot that has potential because you need the feedback loop, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You can't do it if there is no fear. You need the fear to get something to engage. Cause more fear, get more of them, get more help progressively doing the thing. Without the feedback loop, you're alone.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: So they come to where the war is going on already, where people die already. They think it's sacred. They think it's haunted, think it's cursed. Too much death, too much this, too much that. Then get the people we have, the people who are scared. The land where the fear happens in one shot.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We can use our friends from the other side. We can use the people from this side. Get the portal, get the stones and get the teleporter all running in one place.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: I think the hole that is a circle, was the stone being made. It's the biggest. Would require the most energy because the stone alone could fling you across space.

Cristina: The stone alone, the stone has more.

Jack: Energy than any teleporter could ever imagine. Okay, well, I think that's the round hole.

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: I Think that's the crater where it happened. And I think the teleporter is why we don't find out what's happening there. Because one team dipped and joined their other homies who also dipped.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And I guess maybe that's been throughout the years, throughout the centuries. Little pockets of people. Oh no. You know, it'd be probably become normal to dodge current day domination of Earth. So you know, we say underwater, they stay over there in space. These guys are underground. And we've grown up seeing what. Oh my God, weird things in sky come out of the water and when we see lights and stuff under the water and oh man, there's more people because we've seen things and like there's creatures underground. It's like, bro, you're just seeing all the people who are watching us.

Cristina: Yeah. There's nothing too weird happening.

Jack: And we just catch them. They're still communities within each other, even if they're private from us, probably with each other. So. Oh yeah, we need a teleporter to get to Bob. You know, teleport over here broke up. We need to build a new one to get them. He's over there in The Dyson sphere. XY 1010. And the energy. We need some. Send some guys over there.

Cristina: Yes. With that technology of transportation, they made better technology to survive in space consistently. Yes.

Jack: Thus making it even easier. So everything has always been to get more and improve and get more and improve.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The question is, is Bigelow tied to the Alicians? I don't think so. I think those are two different instances. I think Bigelow and the United States government are what we usually find, which are people using any desperate means and they kind of, kind of know it was there. Kind of sort of understand. And the United States government rolled in in the 1800s trying to get it too.

Cristina: Yes, but they wanted people who were, it seems like they were working with them though.

Jack: The Europeans rolled in.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's very different than the United States government in the 1850s rolling in. Oh, those are two different groups. I don't even know what happened to the Europeans.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I didn't say anything about that.

Cristina: Well, I thought you said the government then wanted people who were part of that group to stay there.

Jack: No, the, the government has had people that are of European descent in control of the property since the 1850s.

Cristina: Okay. But that's unrelated.

Jack: Yeah, well, they're descendants of the original group of people who were there. Yes. Now the question is, is the original group of people there connected to the Original group of people there? Or does it just so happen to be that it was safer to leave in control of these people?

Cristina: Huh? I don't know.

Jack: And is the 1850s United States government the same as the modern day government that was interested with Bigelow? Because we know there are many government figures who have adrenochrome and islands farming adrenochrome and doing this and doing that. But that's not Alicians technology, because they wouldn't with adrenochrome.

Cristina: Except for these. Whoever these people are that are somewhat. They're not them, but they're related because they came to make stones.

Jack: They came to make stones, but they weren't drinking blood or anything.

Cristina: They might have been drinking blood because there was blood drinking involved. Enough.

Jack: They never said blood drinking. I looked for that specifically. They said they needed to get the flesh of Christ and the blood of Christ and that in doing so they could acquire the rubies.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think they had no idea what rubies. What the. I think the settler quote settlers, unquote, weren't actually told the name of the philosopher's own, because probably it was global at that point.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So that they couldn't accidentally translate it into their native language and be like.

Cristina: Getting the blood of Christ is not drinking the blood of Christ.

Jack: No. In the case of working with the Elysians, getting the blood of Christ is them trying to get enough to make a stone.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that's why rounding them up was part of it. Because back then, I don't think. Unless you were trying to build a farm. And if they were just trying. I mean, it is a ranch.

Cristina: It is a ranch. And you say that there was like animal, like things were happening to the animals too. Someone was drinking blood in there eventually.

Jack: Well, keep in mind that the spot was chosen.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because of. All spots seem to be chosen because of already having events making it easier than trying to get it.

Cristina: So whatever, like shadow realm creatures that popped up probably really not. Did not relate to them at all.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. It could be. That's the problem. It could be totally unrelated. Yes. These 1600s people could be the 1850s people and it could be the 2013 people. But if not, then the 1600s people were advantageous people who knew we could use this to do the things for our. For our leaders.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then the 1850s people just happen to have enough knowledge to know this is important to keep in our possession.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then that actually gets executed on in the 2013s and on when they already Finished doing their research and can finally start implementing. But then that's still like a 200 year project of digging information and trying to find things out and then bringing in an expert because you wasted 200 years and you're like, can you figure it out? And he's like, yeah, yeah, makes sense. I don't think we nailed down which specifically thing it was, but I think we know who.

Cristina: Yes, I think we know who and.

Jack: I think it's possible because of the different visuals that it was all of the above. The storylines went being all of the above and the visuals line went up being all of the above. The only thing we can't really nail down is the circle. We have never seen the impact zone. It's usually buried under a f*** ton.

Cristina: Of something and they probably happened so long ago that it wouldn't stop. Be there still.

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: Are there other random holes like that?

Jack: If we removed the ground zero of the Twin Towers, we'd have a huge crater. The question is, if we remove that and look at what the crater looks.

Cristina: Like, is it perfect?

Jack: Is it a perfect circle underneath that? You know, that's the question. We need to find another colossal sized perfect circle. I can tell you what the square funnel looks like and using logic, what it could have been.

Cristina: Mm. Put the circle.

Jack: I can tell you, based on the stories and what they shared and passed down through time about their trauma and horrors, what they were trying to do because, oh, we're trying to get this blood and we're trying to get that flesh and we're trying to make some, you know, we're trying to get the stones through doing that. The sentence doesn't make sense. You're trying to get some rubies with some blood, bro.

Cristina: Yeah, that's very crazy.

Jack: Yeah, it's very clear what's happening there. I don't know what's up.

Cristina: It's a perfect circle.

Jack: Perfect circle.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Only theory was if you're doing all the things you're always doing, that's where you made the stone. You were rounding them up. You were.

Cristina: I think so. But we gotta find proof.

Jack: I gotta find another hole.

Cristina: It has to be possible. I think it's possible. There's too many of these type of stories for there not to be another hole.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Now we know how to track them down. All I did was look for a really haunted area.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They happen to have the requirements. You dig deeper. And then as soon as we got. These people came from Norway and these people came from Ireland. I'm like, Yep.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yup, exactly. You could have come from anywhere, bro. Come on.

Cristina: All right, all right.

Jack: Random other place, random other thing. All I did was look for huge energy disturbances, a lot of paranormal activity. And then what did we find out? Oh, science took place here.

Cristina: Science. Oh, very scary science.

Jack: Very scary science. But he just goes to show what's happening in the past is all scientific. There is no magic. We began this journey like five years ago investigating the. Originally the. The claims of reptilian magic. Oh, they got magic. And I was like no. The conclusion to that was like no. All this looks like tech.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That perspective has changed everything. And it opened so many doors for us to really be able to look at some of this stuff to the point that it led us to actual fact discussions that have been had about this stuff. 100 years ago, peer reviewed material about this. Get the out of here. It's crazy. Anyways, that's basically what we have on the skinwalker ranch. It does look like some sort of former experimental facility. And there is a lot of weird activity that goes on there.

Cristina: I'm still going on there and to.

Jack: This day, still going on there.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: There are claims by other people that aren't official claims of things that have happened in this location.

Cristina: Location.

Jack: UFO sightings, animal mutilation, poltergeist activity, Cryptics, environmental anomalies, Electrical magnetic energy, cold. All the things you. Lights, discs, circles on the ground, missing things, things showing up that don't belong there. Seeing fires at a distance, seeing fires in the sky. Wolf like creatures, humanoid like creatures. Furniture rearranging itself. Doors opening itself and closing itself. Sometimes directly in front of witnesses. Animals completely lacking blood. Animals with no marks at all, completely drained of blood. Animals dead with no marks, completely filled with blood. Just normal animals who have nothing, just dead, surgical like incisions done on animals. Organs missing from animals. Ambrosia.

Cristina: Ambrosia.

Jack: Lights, flying objects or no human deaths.

Cristina: Or do they keep that secret?

Jack: Unknown.

Cristina: Right. That's something that's kept secret.

Jack: That's something that's kept secret on the wraps.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Right? Because you know there has to be. Yeah, there has to be.

Jack: But with purpose. I'm sure. But anyways, this went way longer than I thought. But there's a lot. And I didn't want like bad pieces of this or another episode because I know we're gonna start the next episode at least thinking about. Because we're gonna think about this and just talk about it. Yeah, like I want to do a whole episode about it. But anyway, so yeah, that's what we got, guys. You guys want to go look at some of this information? Skinwalker Ranch is an absurdly crazy thing. And I think the outer range might be based on this or something similar to this.

Cristina: It has to be.

Jack: Especially because that f****** big a** hole that moves around, dude, it's so colossal. It's been seen on both of the main road, but you can only tell when you're directly standing in front of it or when you're doing an aerial view, which is how people find it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because it's just off in the distance somewhere. Weirdly enough, the really, really big hole has never consumed the ranch. It seems to always miss the ranch. And the really, really small hole misses all the buildings. I forgot to talk about that earlier. They totally dodge any structures, but can be seen missing the structures everywhere.

Cristina: So the structures very close to that ranch though.

Jack: Yeah. And it didn't touch it. It was right there. Yeah, it could. Had it shown up underneath it. Does the house just fall?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And like, how does it show up? You got to not be looking at it. It has to not be influencing anything or something. Right. Because you just be enjoying your day and then, oh my God. What the f***? The house is falling into where the hole just showed up under you. How does the hole move? Could I be standing here looking at the hole and watch it disappear in front of me?

Cristina: I don't.

Jack: Or do I have to look over there? When I look back, it's just gone.

Cristina: I think that's the only way it could work.

Jack: So then we're Schrodinger's hole.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: Anyways, guys, look at the information. Go online, Google it. Do what you got to do. Skinwalker Ranch. Really weird situation. Yeah. Tell us what you think. Tell us what you know. Tell us any ideas, thoughts, comments, concerns you might have, whatever the case might be, and do that on our socials. We have been kicked off of YouTube because truth hurts, I guess.

Cristina: Like they've been slowly removing us from there for years.

Jack: Yeah, we've been slowly getting banned left and right on YouTube.

Cristina: They finally was like, this is too much. You can't go through every video.

Jack: Yeah, no, they 100% were like, we're overlooking at your s***. Get out. And so we're no longer on YouTube but you can definitely reach us on tick tock, on Instagram, on Twitter, Facebook. I guess Twitter's act. But yeah, Twitter, you know, and on Facebook until they kick us out too because they're crazy PC, which I guess if we leave Facebook, we'll also be kicked out of Instagram, so you know all the above.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes, and word of mouth is the most exaggerated thing that can ever happen. So tell people about the show. Tell people about the Skinwalker Ranch and how you've discovered lately that all things on earth connect to the same group of people and that anything that's ever happened is just their doing and we have no free will.

Cristina: It might be, Yes, I guess so. This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye it.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

June 15, 2024

Rambling 277: The Winchester House

June 15, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who was Sarah Lockwood? What is the Winchester House? And what purpose does any of this serve? The duo go back to investigating individual cases and crack open the case of the Winchester House. A mysterious and strange mansion with odd circumstances surrounding it. The discovery made turns out to be more relevant than could have ever been anticipated!!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Sarah Lockwood
Geometric Patterns
Mazes
William Winchester
The Seance Room

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. How have you been?

Cristina: Hot.

Jack: It's been hot. You know, the Earth has been hotter. Hotter than usual. Too Hot. It's been painfully hot, I would say.

Cristina: Painfully hot.

Jack: Yeah. It's been global warming, except not because it's climate change. And some places are technically colder. Okay, so rephrasing it to climate change. We're changing the climate. Except we're not, because the climate is always changing. This has nothing to do with anything. I am just ranting. All right, anyways, so I have some images for you to look at, and I want you to just describe what you're seeing in these images, okay?

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: This is just how we're going to start it.

Jack: This is just how we're going to start it. I want you to look at some image of cosas.

Cristina: If I don't know what I'm looking.

Jack: At, that's totally fine. Go ahead and describe to everybody what you're looking at.

Cristina: A big house.

Jack: Describe this big house.

Cristina: It kind of looks like a puzzle type of house because it's all over the place.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: So just boxes here and there. Look at that one down there. Unless. Is that a car? No, that's a house.

Jack: No, this is. That's a room. Yeah. No, this is big. You're looking at something here.

Cristina: It looks like there's a maze in the house. Is it the Resident Evil mansion?

Jack: Interesting. Okay, what else do you see? Point other things out.

Cristina: Palm trees. Are those palm trees? I think that's what palm trees look like.

Jack: Yeah, that's a type of palm tree, for sure.

Cristina: The house is yellow with red. Red tops.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: I guess. Except some of them are flat. I don't know. It looks like multiple buildings that are just connected to each other with littler buildings.

Jack: Okay, interesting. Interesting, yes.

Cristina: Something like. I don't know, what's the original house there? And maybe like it was just one house, and then they just added onto it over the years.

Jack: Fascinating. Okay. Okay, keep talking. I like where you're going with this.

Cristina: They have a huge. I don't know, it looks. It's huge. It's huge.

Jack: It is f****** huge. But I think you could also probably identify the original house in there.

Cristina: You think so?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Is it the first. The little first section? You'd guess it would be that.

Jack: The bigger first section, right?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. Although, like, that looks like a complete house right back there. Like, there's the first. The second one. You see that little box there?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That looks like added on stuff, but all the way back there. Looks like a mansion itself.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: But. But it's connected though.

Jack: So. Good guess. Is actually this part and that part that were original.

Cristina: Oh, okay. What?

Jack: That's really on the nose. We'll scroll down to the next one, which is actually a different angle of it.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. It's a bigger mess than you can see. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: The original.

Cristina: That's the original.

Jack: And you can see the back house.

Cristina: Oh, what is this, though? It's huge. It's like five blocks, eight blocks.

Jack: What is it huge? It is one of the largest mansions in the world.

Cristina: Where is it?

Jack: We'll get to that.

Cristina: It has palm trees, but then it has regular trees behind it. So the palm trees were taken there. Like it's not a natural palm tree or. It is.

Jack: No. Oh, okay. Yeah. Wow. Okay. On point. On point. Yes, it is.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Interesting, interesting. Okay, now let's take a look inside. What do you see here? Huh?

Cristina: I don't know. We're looking at a basement. I don't know.

Jack: Right, right. Tell me more about the stairs.

Cristina: Is there something off with the stairs? I don't know.

Jack: You don't see something off about the stairs?

Cristina: I'm not sure. It's the. What's above the stairs? Looks odd. Like we're not. I don't know. No, I don't know. Because that's just doors in the bottom. Right?

Jack: In the bottom?

Cristina: Yeah. Is that not the bottom? The top of the picture is the bottom of the stairs?

Jack: No, that's the top of the stairs.

Cristina: That's the top of the stairs.

Jack: Yeah. You can see because this is a little lift at the bottom of the stairs with the shadow underneath it. Oh.

Cristina: Because it looks like.

Jack: Yeah, no, you're right.

Cristina: It looks weird. It looks like a door. Like you're entering the room.

Jack: Yeah, it looks like a staircase going into a door. But that's the ceiling.

Cristina: That's the ceiling.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: But then how would you. So it's just a hole up there.

Jack: That's not even a door. It just looks like a door.

Cristina: It just looks like a door.

Jack: Yeah, the staircase goes nowhere. That staircase literally has no direction.

Cristina: What is it up there that we're looking at?

Jack: A ceiling.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Designed to look like a door. This is a ceiling.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Okay, here is another Image. What do you see?

Cristina: Another stairs. We're in a. This is some kind of maze. This has to be some kind of maze. I don't understand.

Jack: What are you looking at?

Cristina: It says exit and the stairs. And the stairs are going up to like nothing or a teeny tiny room. I don't know. Is it a tiny room up there?

Jack: Right. And once before the stairs going up.

Cristina: More stairs going up but the other direction.

Jack: So stairs going down.

Cristina: Oh, that stairs going down.

Jack: See, it's going down, its stairs going down, then stairs going up.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess.

Jack: Yeah, that stairs going down, then up again.

Cristina: RV And I don't understand why is there so many stairs? Because it looks like other stairs going up right in the corner. Yeah.

Jack: Stairs up, up and then stairs down. Not sure why.

Cristina: Why? And then is there anything else happening there? I don't know. Is that a window? That's a window, yeah.

Jack: Last one. What do you see in this one?

Cristina: I see a room that's has nothing in it. It has a window that's way small and long. A closet that looks.

Jack: That's not a window, that's a door.

Cristina: Window that up there, that's a window.

Jack: What up. We're here.

Cristina: Yeah, I'm not talking about the door yet.

Jack: No, it's not a window either. Or I guess. Oh, fair enough. Yes, that's a window. That's a window into another room.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. Because. Okay. And the door that's open looks like there's another door behind it. But also it's super high up from the floor.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Like it would be really annoying to get out of the room. And the room is empty for some reason.

Jack: Yes. What else?

Cristina: I'm not sure. Hangers on the wall and I don't know. The closet looks like a normal closet. I don't know. Plus that's just another door to another room.

Jack: An average everyday closet.

Cristina: Yeah, maybe.

Jack: Okay, describe to me what you've just seen. Put it all together in your mind. What's going on?

Cristina: It's. I don't know, someone with too much money and too much time making a maze. It looks like an indoor maze. It looks like Willy Wonka's mansion. It looks like, I don't know, Hogwarts. I don't know what's happening.

Jack: I'm gonna go into more detail. So you saw a maze. How was the maze built? Where does the maze come from? What can you extrapolate just by looking at it?

Cristina: Does it come from now where does it come from?

Jack: Fair enough. But like what what is fresh in your memory about what you just saw? What points stand out? If you were to summarize, having looked at these images, what are your bullet points?

Cristina: Okay. Besides that. It's some type of maze. It was made over time.

Jack: It was made over time because of.

Cristina: All the new parts to it.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Has made it more complicated. Which is probably why there's some stairs that go to no thing and some that go to, I don't know.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Then there's. There's a lot upstairs going nowhere. And for some reason, that one, that last room with a really high upstair step to get out of it. Like why?

Jack: Why Fact.

Cristina: Does someone actually live there? I don't feel like. Like you. There's too much money that you have to be living there.

Jack: Somebody doesn't live there anymore.

Cristina: They were living in there.

Jack: They were living in.

Cristina: Making this mess.

Jack: Yes. So let me begin telling you about what you just saw.

Cristina: Good. What?

Jack: We'll begin at part one. The widow. So let me tell you about this widow Rich.

Cristina: Widow Rich.

Jack: A widow. Her name is Sarah. She goes by Sally. Her last name is Lockwood. And Sarah Lockwood was named after her grandma, you know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Is that important?

Jack: I'm telling you about Sarah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Anything I tell you matters because I'm telling you. So eat it. Whether or not you think it matters, because I don't care if you think it matters.

Cristina: It does matter though.

Jack: It's information.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: About Sarah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Lockwood.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Yeah. And Sarah Lockwood was a widow. Sarah Lockwood became a widow eventually because of the situation that happened. Sarah was born in 1839 in New Haven, Connecticut. The Old west, you know, the American Old West. And Sarah married when she was 62 years. That's not 62 years. Crazy. She was in her 30s. 1862 is what I meant to say. How old was she too? I don't know. Let's find out. She was born in 1839 and she got married in 1862. So she was 30? No, she was 20. What?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She got married at 21. She gave birth to a still, but not a stillborn daughter, but a daughter that died within a year because the life expectancy of the time at that point. Okay, so she had a baby and her baby didn't make it. Sarah's baby had died. And it haunts her because it haunts her psyche because she's traumatized. Question mark.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so her husband had done died. He dropped dead. I guess I should be doing this with a western accent because I'm talking about the old West.

Cristina: How long after the baby?

Jack: I don't know necessarily when she had that baby to begin with. That's just more of a detail about her life. Telling you about Sarah, telling you details.

Cristina: About what was her job. Tell me about something about her, though.

Jack: I'm telling you things about her. Just let me keep revealing things. I told you the details that seem to be relevant to some degree.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Sarah, she, like I told you, been done married. And eventually her husband died. And her husband died in 1881. It wasn't good times for Sarah when he died. Her husband. What the h*** was her husband's name? I done forgot her husband's name. Oh, his name was William.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She was married to a saw William. He wasn't a sir. I'm just saying that because I was cool and fancy. Yeah, he was a Mr. William. Why the did we adopt sirness here in the United States of America?

Cristina: What was his last name?

Jack: His last name is the right question. Finally. His last name is. It's interesting because I figured you would ask his last name. I don't know why I thought you would ask specifically his last name, but I know you would. It's Winchester. His last name is Winchester. Which makes Sarah Lockwood's second last name and thus her entire full name. Sarah Lockwood Winchester. And as you know, the Winchester name has some interesting ideas behind it that have been exploited over time.

Cristina: Gun. There's a gun, right?

Jack: There is a Winchester gun. Yeah, there are. It's a revolver. A Winchester.45 Magnum revolver. The best.45 Magnum revolver.

Cristina: Does that somehow relate to the guy? He is his family. Just his family.

Jack: So this is part of the era where people were named after what they did for a living. And Winchester was the name of the company he worked for. He got his name for working for the Winchester Repeating Arms Company.

Cristina: Oh, okay. And what do they do?

Jack: They sell repeating rifles.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It's the Winchester Repeating Arms Company. I don't know what more specific they tried really to be super absurdly specific with that. Winchester, which is the name of the people. Assuming there was a guy actually named Winchester that's unrelated to this new guy named Winchester because of how norms work back then. No, he's one of them Winchester boys. And that really just meant you worked for the Winchester Company. Okay, now Winchester boys last name. But back then it wasn't. And yeah, so he worked for that place.

Cristina: Did he die from a Winchester gun? How did he die?

Jack: Who cares? He died. He died anyways. When he died, he left his widow, Sarah, with quite the fortune. A lot. A lot of money. So much money. Because he had a pretty big chunk of that company. Was there a while. He's one of the original founders money.

Cristina: So then he wasn't named because of what he does.

Jack: No, he wasn't. He was. He was. He wasn't one of the original founders. I have no idea. He was some guy in the company. But he had a lot of money. And no, he wasn't an original founder's lie.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: And he gave her all that money when he died. And so now Sarah Lockwood Winchester is loaded and she gets arthritis.

Cristina: She joins the call.

Jack: And when she gets arthritis, she goes to her doctor. That's how she knows she's got arthritis. You're developing arthritis. You're becoming an old hang. And she was like, yeah, I'm in my 40s. I'm almost dead.

Cristina: She hasn't had any more children.

Jack: No, she's a widow. You don't do that. You stay widow and sad forever. That's your job.

Cristina: I mean, but like, they only tried once.

Jack: Yeah. And then failed. So she is a failure. In her womb is barren and she's a owl. Because that's how it works. It's them times. Except he died and now she's a rich barren.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, she's still a barren, but a lot of money landed on her lap. So she could be a rich baron b****.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Although she was probably totally fine having the kid, but, you know, also child. But she didn't not. She wasn't barren.

Cristina: So she never has children that could.

Jack: Die after she gave.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: She wasn't bad.

Cristina: Like it's possible that she could have had.

Jack: Probably treating her like she was barren. Anyways. Her kid.

Cristina: Okay, so she garbage has no children.

Jack: She has no children.

Cristina: Does she adopt children?

Jack: She does not. Why does it matter?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Why are you asking about her children? What do her children matter to you?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I told you. She had a kid and her kid died.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why does she need more kids?

Cristina: How does that relate to any.

Jack: She has a dead baby. How does any of this relate to each other?

Cristina: Yes, exactly.

Jack: And so now she got arthritis. She got arthritis. And the doctor is like, you got arthritis? And she's like, dang.

Cristina: She has so much money. She gets a new hand.

Jack: She gets a new hand. So the doctor is then like, look, man, you're out here living in New Haven, Connecticut, you stupid barren. You could go somewhere where the weather isn't so cold and frigid like you, you stupid, barren.

Cristina: So tell her to go to Californ.

Jack: Yeah. They basically say, go somewhere warm so that arthritis doesn't make your fingers represent your soul because you're a stupid barren b****.

Cristina: Did it help her?

Jack: I have no clue. But she does decide at the. At the warm young age. 80s of 42.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So then go.

Cristina: I mean, I guess that's still pretty old back then.

Jack: Yeah. And then she goes. She decides that she's gonna go in in 1885.

Cristina: She buys a mansion.

Jack: She goes and she. She goes to California and she brings her three remaining sisters. She had more, but they dead because life expectancy in the 1800s isn't fun.

Cristina: And do they have children or are they, well, parents?

Jack: They don't have children yet.

Cristina: Oh, I don't know. Is that important? Okay.

Jack: I don't know. Now, you know what? You've. You've been asking questions. I gave you answers.

Cristina: How old are they?

Jack: Younger than her. Okay, now that's. That's. That's Sarah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Told you some details about Sarah.

Cristina: About Sarah, though.

Jack: Now we're gonna go back to what you saw. I told you about Sarah.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Part two. The house.

Cristina: It's haunted. I don't know.

Jack: This house is located in what state?

Cristina: Cali.

Jack: Cali. This house belonged to a man named John Hamm. It's funny that this guy's named John Hamm because there's a photo of a man from the 1800s who looks identical to John Hamm that people say John Hamm is a vampire because of this reason.

Cristina: Okay. But this is not that photo that you're talking about.

Jack: No. I would be very confused. This is also that man.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's no photo of this Jon Hamm. There's nothing on this John Ham.

Cristina: Okay. This Jon Hamm owns the house.

Jack: He owns a house.

Cristina: He's still alive at this point, I.

Jack: Guess, where he owns. I mean, now.

Cristina: I mean, when they went there to get the house with him.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. He was alive. He sold them the house.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Jon Hamm had a villa with a back house.

Cristina: Okay. And that's what they got.

Jack: That's what they got. They bought a villa with the back house.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: That's great. It's a guest house. And there were three, four of them now because her and her three sisters or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And now let me tell you about some interesting details about this house. So it's on 40. What was it? 440 acres or some s*** like that Ridiculous land.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: As you saw in the image.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which Was mostly empty, as you saw by the main two buildings. It's a lot of land, a lot of empty. There were actually forests going through there.

Cristina: Like, how long would it take for the main house to travel to the back house?

Jack: Oh, man. I mean, you saw. Yeah, it was a pretty thick. Like a forest was pretty thick. You were looking at like a minute and a half walk in a straight line from one end to the other. If this is a house with walls and turns, it could take you 5, 10 minutes to traverse one end to the house of the other in a non stop stride in your own house. I'll be there in 10 minutes.

Cristina: Yeah, well, that's too much.

Jack: Yeah, but it didn't begin like that. Again, it was a H, the house. You saw the big chunk, which must have had like what, seven rooms? She was filthy rich. She got her husband's whole estate. Why not? And the back house. So other people came.

Cristina: Which is still a pretty big house. That's a pretty big back house and house. Not including everything that was added.

Jack: Yes, to it.

Cristina: It's what was added just makes no sense. And I don't understand.

Jack: While living at this house, there were a couple of instances that have been left on public record about Sarah's interactions. Sarah Winchester, the widow of William Winchester, who worked for the Winchester Repeating Arms Company.

Cristina: Yes. Yes.

Jack: There have been actual notices of this.

Cristina: Lady in weirdo public records.

Jack: Not her being a weird. Well, fair enough. Possibly. It depends. Depends what you interpret of her being a weirdo. First, there were a couple of calls to the authority, to the authorities of the area about the house, saying there's an intruder on the premises.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This happened over and over and over where one of these ladies would run all the way to the authorities to.

Cristina: Say that there's someone at their house.

Jack: Tell them that there's somebody intruding on their property and has been lurking in their property.

Cristina: Is it John Ham?

Jack: It is not John Ham.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It'd be weird if it was. John the vampire. John Ham sells people the house and reclaims it through drinking their blood.

Cristina: Yes. Interesting. No, that's not it. Okay.

Jack: No. And in the time, the exact record claims that there was a man with the wheelbarrow pushing something through the property.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: This happened more than 20 different occasions. Guy with a guy with a wheelbarrow on their property. Always taking something in the same direction.

Cristina: It's a ghost.

Jack: They're too scared to go over there and look.

Cristina: It's a ghost.

Jack: Why is it a ghost?

Cristina: It's. He's doing the Same exact thing.

Jack: It's an echo, right? It's an actual ghost?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's not like a jinn or like a spirit? No, it's a ghost. An echo ghost of something that happened.

Cristina: In the past, repeating itself over and over. Yeah. Is that what you think too?

Jack: I am also thinking the same thing. I think that man is an echo.

Cristina: Is there more echoes, I guess in the house or around the house?

Jack: This is now where you've asked the most important question. Because this episode is a question of what is in this house. Because I think summer ghosts, echoes of a previous time or future time, ripples as we've established in the past, make sense with math, makes it to quantum physics, most of philosophy. And how we think of an echo in general and what we think of a ghost. So an echo and a ghost are in theory the same, except a ripple through time. Us seeing a moment.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay. There are instances which seem to be identical and repeating and continuous. Like the man with the wheelbarrow.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There are instances that seem fully aware happening in this house. I am going to move into the future now and tell you about this house, current day, without further context so that you know how deep it's about to get. This house is current day a tourist attraction. People go to this house because of how f***** this house is.

Cristina: So it has nothing to do with the size of the house. Pretty crazy.

Jack: All of the above.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It's not this or that. It's this and that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's all of the above. The house is a current day tourist attraction. It's called Winchester House. And the house brings in money purely based on the cryptic nature of its design and the fact that people, when they go there, do come across the echoes that seem to exist. What's in the public record and what's in the current day? Echoes only share the echoes. The current day events do not share anything that doesn't fit a description we would call an echo. But they do have other instances that people would have called ghosts back then.

Cristina: Like what?

Jack: We're going to get to that.

Cristina: But okay, okay.

Jack: That is an important distinction to be made there.

Cristina: Ghosts versus echoes.

Jack: They're definitely ghosts. Which brings up what can cause the ripples in. Because this is a different problem. Right. We're talking space, time, we're talking science. We know that in New Jersey there is the place Paradise Falls and Clemson Road by Clinton Road. And that area.

Cristina: It's weird.

Jack: Yes. But what causes an area like that to happen? We know that there's even thin places there.

Cristina: Yeah. There's just a lot of crap happening there.

Jack: Yes, but this is a space time phenomenon, isn't it? Yes, like a fold in space or something that's allowing things from many, specifically in Clinton Road is excessive. It's things from many different times. The future in the past kind of intersecting here. It's the. The hills. What is it? The tall fields in the tall grass.

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: We're like the future. The past, the present, the now is all one.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so you see impossibly ancient looking things and anomalous things. So futuristic. They might be magic.

Cristina: All happening aliens, but it might not be at all.

Jack: Yeah, because we're saying what, demons, ghosts and aliens all exist in the same place? Get the f*** out of here.

Cristina: No, that's weird.

Jack: No, it's weird.

Cristina: That's what's happening in this house.

Jack: So let's dive deeper into the house. I'll tell you some things that happen with the structure of the house.

Cristina: Yes, that's really. I'm mostly dying to know why.

Jack: There is a 44 staircase that only goes up 10ft inside of this house.

Cristina: What's going on?

Jack: Why it continues at a tiny, super gradual slope. Super gradual. Mad stairs. Mad stairs. Mad stairs. Mad stairs to only go up 10ft.

Cristina: Who did this? Was it her? Is she part of this? Or this is someone else?

Jack: There are stained glass windows hanging inside of rooms, not in walls. Many stained glass windows, many, an absurd amount, have spiderweb designs.

Cristina: Spiderweb designs.

Jack: Many windows have Shakespeare quotes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There are many doors that open to a dead end wall.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: There are many doors that open to another door.

Cristina: Okay, I think we saw a little bit of that.

Jack: There are many doors that open to a dead end hallway. There are many doors that lead through mazing hallways that go nowhere.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: There are hidden passages hidden beneath almost all the walls.

Cristina: That's weird.

Jack: And they don't connect to each other directly. Some connect to some, some don't.

Cristina: That's awful. Who will do this?

Jack: There are hidden passages underneath the floorboards.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Some floors have windows in them.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: There are many chimneys in this house.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Kind of makes sense considering its size.

Cristina: Yeah, it's humongous. And find out there's only one door.

Jack: In what the number 13 shows up over and over and over and over. Many, most. Almost all staircases within this size range have about 13 steps. If it could be 9, if it could be 10, if it could be 11, if it could be 14, 15 or 16. It's usually 13 at different sizes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Stained glass windows constructed almost Majority. And his house is surrounded by stained glass windows of 13 panes.

Cristina: You have any of these as photos though, of the stainless stained glass windows? Stained glass windows. That'd be cool to look at. Are you weird?

Jack: There's a bunch of weird s*** going on here.

Cristina: It's not sounds weird.

Jack: It's not weird. These are things you would only notice by looking at detail. We're talking numbers, we're talking shape shapes. You see webs in places. You see odd shapes. You see the panels are made of add up to 13.

Cristina: That's pretty nice, actually. Not weird.

Jack: It's not weird. There's. The ceilings are made of wood and they have these patterns happening that you find.

Cristina: That was a movie.

Jack: It's not. Oh, there are. This is a weird staircase right here.

Cristina: That is a weird staircase.

Jack: So that's going nowhere.

Cristina: Oh, the 44 stairs. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Many staircases that go nowhere. Rooms that are complete solid colors.

Cristina: And you're saying nothing's based on this? Because I saw a movie and it looks like they based this weird house, their house. On this weird house, though.

Jack: A man's house?

Cristina: Yeah. No, I don't know. I don't know. It just gives me.

Jack: What's the name of it?

Cristina: Thirteen Ghosts, I think. Was it something like that?

Jack: Oh, I don't know. Maybe.

Cristina: Oh, just. Okay, we'll continue. So does this have to do with her, though, or this is someone else that came after?

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: Everything that we're seeing have to do with who? Sarah.

Jack: Oh, well, yeah, because Sarah bought this house.

Cristina: But it wasn't like that when she bought it.

Jack: No, it wasn't.

Cristina: So does she turn into that? Is it unrelated to her?

Jack: Let me scroll down and get to that.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Since you need to know at this.

Cristina: Moment, I'm just curious. It's really hard to picture.

Jack: This is in the points section to take. There are records of Sarah having hired multiple contractors to renovate the property at different points. The original intention was to add parts to the house in the form of additional rooms connecting through hallways as if.

Cristina: It wasn't big enough. That's so crazy. But okay.

Jack: Every time she would break off the contract and continue on her own.

Cristina: Okay, okay. So she is out of her mind. Maybe.

Jack: Eventually she began to create her own designs in the house where her sister.

Cristina: Still living with her at this time.

Jack: Yes. She was maintaining her entire family and their children.

Cristina: Oh, that's crazy.

Jack: She began to implement the designs herself. And eventually. This is on record. She was approached. This is actually on the newspaper. She was approached by contractor offering assistance and was rejected when he offered free services to fix her. Increasingly, by his opinion, worst house.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So, yes, she built this. Now, going back to the things in this house.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The walls have 13 panes on average. When you look at the walls and architecture showed influences from around the world with a total lack of consistency, which is what you noticed. It looked like different buildings from different time periods and different locations from around the world. Because it was.

Cristina: That's very crazy. Okay.

Jack: Mm. The inside of the house is structured much like a maze.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: The house itself is designed over a series of geometric shapes.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: All the lines intersect in geometric patterns. All the lines from the top view, it does not represent what an X ray of the place would show us, which would be where a wall looks awkward in our eyes is a straight line connecting a perfect shape elsewhere.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Yeah. How. How'd she map it?

Cristina: And why is she doing it?

Jack: And why? That is the question. Why? What's the point of any of this?

Cristina: Yes. And why couldn't any of her family stop her? I understand she's paying.

Jack: She's paying all of it. Additionally, the house features in random parts of design, triangles, circles, and squares that could be found throughout the entire structure, oftentimes as simple details added to something. It doesn't seem like it serves a purpose. It's just aesthetic. It would seem.

Cristina: This seems like too much money. From what? Like, man? How much? Like. No, I don't know.

Jack: There is.

Cristina: I feel like it's adding up.

Jack: Also an additional room in the very, very, very center of the entire structure, which is equal distances from the main house and the back house and both ends of the absolute property, which she successfully built. A house over a hundred percent of the distance, not covering the entire surface area, but rather from one side to the other in each extreme.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She managed to make the house touch every extreme. That's nuts.

Cristina: She sounds nuts. It looks nuts.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But there's a room dead center of all four of those points, and that's the room.

Cristina: You saw the room, the one empty. Okay.

Jack: That's the empty room with 14 hooks. 13. My bad.

Cristina: 13 hooks.

Jack: 13 hooks on the walls. Yeah.

Cristina: What is that about? What's the hooks for?

Jack: Coats.

Cristina: Okay, what's happening?

Jack: Let's unpack this real quick, Because I think with what we have, there's enough geometric patterns, a house structured in a geometric form, and these geometric patterns intersect with a room in the center, an empty room in the center, A room with coat racks, little hooks to put your coat on.

Cristina: Because she's summoning some things. Thirteen of them.

Jack: Interesting, no?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So what is that room?

Cristina: The teleporter.

Jack: It's a teleporter of some sort, yeah. Why?

Cristina: Why?

Jack: I don't know why. Also, with all the times they went and ran over talking about there's some dude on the property doing this and that.

Cristina: They were not complaining about her.

Jack: You connected the house all the way to the part of the house you thought that guy was going to. You made the whole house reach that?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why? You made it cover the whole place. Why? And you put this room, this welcome room in the center of the house. Why? Weird.

Cristina: That is weird.

Jack: Very strange.

Cristina: It has to do with ghosts. Did they say anything about her seances, things like that?

Jack: When asked why she was building the house in this fashion, there is one line in a newspaper talking about the crazy lady. And the line says that her response is, I'm doing it to please the spirits.

Cristina: Okay, okay, that makes sense. That makes sense.

Jack: So then I gotta go down a different rabbit hole. What spirits are we talking about? Wheelbarrow men. One of the many spirits. But that doesn't seem like he would be bothering her. No, because ghosts don't bother anybody. They couldn't. That's not there. Spirits do. But that doesn't look like a spirit. Now, footsteps coming from nowhere and following people in the house is very different. Then footsteps somewhere in the house.

Cristina: That's what was going on.

Jack: Not that she reported. Again, I'm looking for what has been mentioned about this place. Those things have been reported. Not by her, but yes. Footsteps in the house. Now we have things. We have things. We got a guy who always goes to a cabinet. Echo. Had to be. He's always going to cabinet. Getting the same thing. A pantry. Always. And just kind of stops. It gets there and stops. There's a guy darting across the yard. Looks like he's playing sports. Okay, again, just the repetition. Yeah, that would be horrifying in the middle of the night if you're just wandering it straight across. But. Yeah, but like it happens every night. Same time, same kind of way. Okay. Yeah. Echoes. Why so many? I don't know what weird space time event took place here. Except the only one they claimed that has been seen by people afterwards has been the wheelbarrow man. There weren't other disturbances in this area originally. There was only the wheelbarrow then, which was their initial problem later. And as time went by, we get footsteps. Yep. Footsteps coming from nowhere. We get voices of people they think intruded into the house.

Cristina: This Is after her working on the house that more after she starts.

Jack: Yes. Now you get again, 100. As she starts building the house up. And more and more, it starts getting weirder and weirder. It starts getting way weirder. Eventually, there's voices speaking to the women.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: But they're not saying. It's incoherent. They can describe the same voice, and it's legible. You could tell things. It's telling them.

Cristina: Do you know what they're like? They. They have something.

Jack: No, these things weren't on record per se, but it was more just a record of phrase. Yeah, the record of that. They were, in fact, dealing with people in the walls and whatever. Now, here is a problem. These walls have passageways for days. The. Almost all the walls have a secret passageway. Why? You're hearing voices coming from every direction. Your walls have passageways.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: It goes from supernatural to what the f***?

Cristina: To like, she's just crazy and she's haunting her own sisters.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: It's very strange because, like, yeah, it could just be her. We don't know.

Jack: It could just be her.

Cristina: It could just be a man pranking them real hard. No, he's taking a wheelbarrow and also just running around the house. I don't know.

Jack: Until the things start to move on their own.

Cristina: Okay, then, yes, definitely.

Jack: Hauntings and shapes start to form in dark places.

Cristina: But besides her building random things, is there anything else that she's doing that's weird? I mean, it's pretty weird. I know, but, like, there's nothing else.

Jack: Nothing of now.

Cristina: Just every. What she's doing is somehow summoning or something, you know, like, causing these things.

Jack: She's building a house, and then there's creatures. I can't tell you the house led to the creatures. That's for us to figure out. Yeah, but I can tell you that she built the house and then things started to happen.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I don't know that they're connected for a fact. I just couldn't tell you that they're not because that's too prominent.

Cristina: It seems like it has to do. But I'm just saying, like, did she do anything else?

Jack: Built a house?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Loud lightning. Figures in shape start to roam the place the sisters described. Seeing other people in the building at this point, but never being able to catch up to the people in the building.

Cristina: That's crazy. They live there their whole life. Like, even with all this crap happening, they're just like.

Jack: Yeah, they're just paying for it. And they just avoid certain parts of the house.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Yeah. Now, the empty room. The empty room is the center of the entire geometric pattern. The empty room features one detail we could not see, but it looked like a closet. The closet is a shrine of sorts.

Cristina: What?

Jack: It is used to hold things for a seance. That is described as the seance room.

Cristina: Okay, then that makes a lot of sense. That makes so much sense. Of course. Of course. Well, was her sisters not involved in that, or was she doing it with other people?

Jack: No, she was doing this alone. She would reject help. Well, she, throughout the course of her life, built this house.

Cristina: Well, what was she obsessed with? Was it bringing back her dead husband? Do they know?

Jack: Other detail to add. The house built completely chaotic. The patterns in the house totally random. Different times of architecture, different styles of architecture from around the world, minus one little detail. One thing that took many, many, many years after this house was open to the public to even find out, which was that the entire house is overlaid with subtle hints of Masonic imagery and detailing.

Cristina: It is Masonic.

Jack: She's a Freemason. Sarah Winchester. Sarah Sally Lockwood Winchester was a Freemason before she started building this house. In the middle of the house, she built a room that seems to be the focus, center of whatever's happening in a literal welcome spot, some sort of gateway or something. And the house itself is designed as the key to the portal or whatever.

Cristina: But her being a Freemason, so like, she got the idea from them or something, Like.

Jack: Well, this brings up the next question. Should we be looking at what the. The Freemasons are and how they connect to the bigger picture? This is the first time they cross paths in this kind of way. We've read about their library and things. They hold the knowledge, but. But now we're talking on some s***. We're talking on portal bridging. We're talking on Sarah Sally Lockwood Winchester performing a potentially necromantic trick and her existing in the late 1800s. How would she know? And what the f*** is a Freemason to have the answer to any of that?

Cristina: You think they have some necromancer technology or something? Some knowledge about.

Jack: They know something.

Cristina: They know about Hermes. They know about his studies.

Jack: They might be the rejects. I've had a theory about Alexander, and I've had the theory that he branched off into the weak other fakes that eventually led to the fake philosopher's stones and all this other bullshit that we're familiar with.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: I think Alexander the Great because he couldn't Cut it made his own thing with what he did know.

Cristina: And do you think that's related to the Freemason or whole different.

Jack: Might be directly. I can't prove it, no. But yeah, I would go out of my way to do so eventually. But I do believe that there's some connection between maybe not that group specifically, but a group of people who perform a lesser version of what the necromancers did in fact do.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And I think Alexander led to that. There is a group of people who do that. We've seen imitations that we're like this is kind of sort of. But this isn't. Can't be because of this. And that other thing disqualifies him. And it's like, well, you guys don't have a full picture of what being a necromancer is, but you guys know, normal people don't how.

Cristina: And this lady specifically? Yes.

Jack: Like she may be part of these whack noobs who can at least bridge a gap to the other side. And this would bring in then another picture. Everybody we talk about minus a Greek avoid adrenochrome. But we know current day many, many, many people. And in the past many attempts with adrenochrome have been done other than the philosopher's stone. That's the highest literal called the magnum opus process to get to the perfect philosopher's stone. So there are many wack weak philosopher stones. Yes, I think these guys are ones. I think it's them. I think these people that we've read about doing this.

Cristina: Probably what she was doing. Like she's not making philosopher's stones as far as I can tell.

Jack: Philosopher stones. But she knows enough to bridge a gap.

Cristina: A gate into the shadow realm.

Jack: So I think so. I think so. And I have to tell you important detail because that is sort of the cherry on top of this. The most prominent figure that haunts this mansion following their no longer being in that house is Sarah.

Jack: Do you see the problem here? She built a gate the way Jesus did, didn't she?

Cristina: So that she can.

Jack: But it wasn't complete. Something is wrong. Jesus can walk through. They literally said we saw him here, we saw him way the over there.

Cristina: Thank you. Back here.

Jack: Yeah. But we've also heard things that look so close to being a ghost, except there's some form of free will here. So you're not an echo, you're some other thing. And sometimes we've called them demons, but they're the weird fact that you're stuck in an area we've never been able to solve.

Cristina: No, that's why we just call them ghosts.

Jack: We call them ghosts.

Cristina: We call echoes echoes? Yeah, like, because we don't have better names.

Jack: But now, if we assume a ghost is an echo, then what is this thing with free will? Right? People who might have f****** failed at doing the right thing. Let's use Full Metal Alchemist as an example.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: So you try to bring somebody back to life. You get a homunculus because you don't know how to break. You're not God. You're gonna bring somebody back to life. Now, people do know how to do it. But if you.

Cristina: Is that why these deaths are important? Because, like, maybe she feared death after losing the most important people to her. She was like, this isn't gonna happen to me. Or something. Like, I don't know either. She wanted to bring them back, but then, like, does anyone see them?

Jack: She knows, but that the Freemasons are essentially the Fallout Brotherhood. We don't have the answers, but we know how to get the answers. And although they don't want to give us the answers, we'll try our best to do it by force. And it's like, cool, great and all, but also, you don't know where all of them are. And you don't have the full picture. Everything you do is half a** by default, even if you put your full effort into it. Yeah, because you couldn't go full because you don't know what that looks like. That seems to be the case. And all these cases are people who knew, sort of, kind of on average, the steps did the things, but you don't really get it. And you f***** up somewhere in the process. So you're kind of like an echo, but you're not. You're stuck in the middle ground. You trapped yourself in that other place. Archive 81, the show. Everybody go watch that. It's on Netflix. Archive 81. At the very end. Spoiler warning, anybody who hasn't run away, cover your ears. Count to 50 to get trapped in the place. But why? Because the demon knows how to get through. The people don't. They're playing with fire. They don't understand. So what happens? They end up trapped in the limbo equivalent of where he is and where you began. This portal location. They're stuck in the house forever. But why is that the case? Because the house is within proximity and probably there's borders. I'm sure it's a perfect circle at a certain distance. And you can't exit that perfect circle because you would Cease to exist because you got caught in the sort of ripple you caused in space time crossing rifts.

Cristina: Yes, yes, yes, yes, I see that must have happened.

Jack: And there's a specific spot in Clinton Road where it makes perfect sense. There's a f****** castle dead center.

Cristina: They were doing some more stuff.

Jack: Yes. And people think literally Satanists go and f*** around in that place. It's dead center. But this is way larger than the estate. So they were doing some big f****** things. If that's the case. But then this gives us a f****** look into is science. And you're bending space somehow. And if you f*** it up, you can leave it that way.

Cristina: Yes. And that's what happens to all these places. It's usually in the middle of nowhere. Like Clinton Row. We've heard many stories of just like an area that random things happen.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Mad random things. Not really a house. This is the first time it's a house.

Jack: That's the first time it's a house. We find the center point. But also the castle in Clinton Road is its center point. It just so happens to be that Clinton Road, if you look at the paranormal area, kind of runs far to a side of it. But the entire forest with all the things, the castle's in the center.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Weird. And it kind of gives us a lot of information for a lot of things. Again, the slightest perspectives allows us to look at things that we would have ignored otherwise and. Wait a minute. You mean a room in the middle of the. Whatever. Oh wait. Paranormal activity. Maybe there's a gate here now. Maybe there's gates in a bunch of places. Maybe just looking for the most f****** haunted places is gonna lead us to people who connect directly to the necromancers, who connect directly to the Elysians, connect directly to the current day's Rayleighs. Everything is f****** pieced together.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. So where are we going? What's next?

Jack: Finding out what the most haunted places on earth are? Because those are places that were important to fakers.

Cristina: I feel like we have done that in the past. But I don't think we look to see who went there.

Jack: Who went there matters more than what's happening.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now we know that what's happening is just some bullshit anomaly in space time.

Cristina: But like was a freemason or some type of group involved? Okay.

Jack: Because it could have been a mistake by somebody who knows what they're doing. Or it could have just been somebody who doesn't know what they're doing.

Cristina: Yeah. Gotta find out. Interesting.

Jack: Interesting. All because of Ms. Freemason herself.

Cristina: But does any of her sisters. Are they ghost too? Or is it just her unknown? It's just her unknown.

Jack: We have no idea for sure. People have claimed so that they've seen.

Cristina: Her sisters as well.

Jack: It's been reported.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But there's been a bunch of. There's many, many, many, many, many, many, many. If this is what it is, then it's a whacking complete portal and a bunch of s*** comes in and out. But they're trapped within the premises.

Cristina: But it would make sense that her sisters would be trapped. And maybe that's her goal as well. Be like, why would I want to die? What would I want them to die? Type of situation.

Jack: Other things to note. Does she choose this house intentionally because of where it is? Is there a factor you can harness and so you're doing the house here?

Cristina: I don't know. It seems real random because it came from a doctor. It started with the doctor.

Jack: Yeah. The random details about her life. Her moving to San Francisco, California, to begin with. Her and her husband had discussed this before he died. That's their dream. Getaway location.

Cristina: Was to go there.

Jack: Was to go there. So she already had this place in her mind before the story even begins. I don't know why. I don't know if the house was in her mind, but she had the place in her mind.

Cristina: Was he involved? Because then, like, would he know? Like, okay, if I die, this is what you should do.

Jack: Like, unclear.

Cristina: Bring me back or something? Like, was he part of the group? Had they just, like. Was this their plan too?

Jack: Like, it's weird, right?

Cristina: It's weird. Yeah.

Jack: It's a strange, strange situation. It looks like she built a gate.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To not only walk through herself, but bring other people through. And she had no idea how to do it the right way.

Cristina: No. But she had at least 13 people in mind. How many sisters are. There's four. No, there's four, including her.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And then there's children.

Jack: Yes. And her baby.

Cristina: And her baby and her husband.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: How many people there?

Jack: I don't know. Maybe it adds up to 13.

Cristina: Like, what if it did? Everyone's saying, like, it's evil, but what if it's like she's just. There's just 13 of them.

Jack: Yeah. But it is crazy.

Cristina: It is crazy.

Jack: It's a very interesting situation that this lady went ahead and did this. It looks like she built. It looks like she built a portal. The house itself is a design, so it's harder to f*** with. You can't destroy the lines. Unless you break through a wall or some s***.

Cristina: Yeah, that's. It's very intentional.

Jack: Very intentional. It's a mess with a room in the center, and she did it, so. And she wanted contractors help, and she didn't trust them. They're not gonna figure it out.

Cristina: No. No. It would be impossible. I don't understand. I don't understand how she even, like, can they find the blueprints she made for this house? Like, is that even a thing?

Jack: F****** nuts, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that's what we got. What do you think?

Cristina: I think that's crazy. I think maybe she is part of a group and we should see if we could find that group.

Jack: About that group. We got this point. We could find that group if we could find a bunch of other s***.

Cristina: Because then that means people know about.

Jack: Hermes nowadays, even if they don't get it.

Cristina: Yeah. There has to be attempts.

Jack: There has to be attempts. People start trying, we know people are still trying. There's. We know that there's so many factories.

Cristina: Of adrenochromes, but this also, like, feels related to necromancy. The other part that we don't really focus on. Of the dead.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Like, that's maybe why most people get involved. It has nothing to do with teleporting to other worlds or anything, because they don't even know that's part of the story.

Jack: It could be about coming back themselves.

Cristina: It's just. Yeah. Most of them want to be immortal. Yeah. A lot of them.

Jack: Most of it. Same thing with adrenochrome. If you're doing necromancy, you're thinking immortality. If you're drinking adrenochrome, you're thinking immortality.

Cristina: And you're not ignoring all the. They have no idea about everything else involved. The history, the other worlds, etc.

Jack: None of it. No. 100%. There's a bunch of incomplete images and people f****** s*** up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And I'm sure, based on this perspective.

Cristina: We can find it.

Jack: We can find that. I know that at least some of it has to be more situations like this that if you look at. Wow, this area is really haunted. I'm probably gonna start with Clinton Road.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because what the h***, a castle is there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So what do we have?

Cristina: I don't know. You're gonna find out, though.

Jack: Hopefully.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But that's what we got. So that is the Winchester house. You guys can Google that name. And there are a plethora of images. It's open to the public. You can wander. Yeah. Everywhere. You don't need me to show you the images. They are everywhere. Enjoy looking at the Winchester house. There's a lot of information, a lot of it's conflicting, but most of it is out there. Feel free if you want to give us information. Anything you guys figured out, reading, looking, listening to this, ideas you had, whatever. You can hit us on our socials at justconvo, Pod on X, Facebook, Instagram.

Cristina: Tick tock, wherever the Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth. Tell people about how awesome this show is and how weird. Sarah Winchester, mother of Salmon Dean.

Cristina: No.

Jack: She had one kid and it died because she was a bad parent.

Cristina: That's awful.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: S.A.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

October 22, 2022

Rambling 197: Bioventus Strange Mystery

October 22, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

What happened at the Bioventus Research Facility? What experiments were being run in this facility leading to the incident? Was there some paranormal activity taking place? The duo unpack the most baffling paranormal incident in recent history reviewing police reports and a play by play of events following witness and victim logs. One of the scariest, most confusing episodes of the show to date. The conclusion might be spookier than the event!

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Murder Suicide

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And today. So, you know, it's October and everything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Last week we had a really weird story. Also, I'm holding. This is the creepy. The creepy stories voice. So last week, by mere chance, I happened to locate. Now, I knew roughly about the. The super deep borehole, but I didn't know it got so weird. You know, everybody's heard about the story of the.

Cristina: Heard about the sound.

Jack: Yeah, it's like. And every. You know, superstitions and blah, blah, blah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The usual stuff that happens in life when something odd happens, but like, when you really investigate the superstitious and like. Oh, no, it's just, you know, urban legend that quickly fades and then you just got really weird information left.

Cristina: It's so weird. It's hard to imagine that that's a real story.

Jack: I'm sure a lot of it is bullshit. Like, you got to understand now, all the things that happened are real. But again, I'm sure that a lot of it is just people speculating on things and a lot of superstitious individuals making the reports.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: You know, so you put a bunch of religious people in a place, even if they're scientists, you know, the religious aspect of our humanity seems to always kick in. And these things that always seem to jump in are conspiracy theories and monsters and aliens and, oh, this and that and all this. The f****** hole to h***. Allegedly.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But like, no, it was probably, you know, we. Some creature we've never seen is somehow developed down there. And it's not a monster or a demon or anything. It's just some creature. Anytime we go to the very depths of the ocean, we find weird s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why wouldn't this be the same case?

Cristina: Mm. You know, it's possible.

Jack: So the reason I talked about that story last week was because, you know, Halloween's coming, time to get into the weird s***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And I had the intention of, you know, finding some other science related thing to talk about to, you know, this is something science can't explain. But in trying to find something science couldn't explain, I just found something that science wasn't even involved in or directly involved in. They just happened to be scientists.

Cristina: I don't know what you mean. Like, it's a discovery.

Jack: No. So the super deep borehole is a science experiment. It's science that we can't explain what was ha. Like science can't explain what was happening in the science experiment.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Or they did and they just never showed us.

Jack: Yes, exactly. Exactly. This isn't science experiment or science can't explain it. Nobody has tried to be scientific about it because it's so random. So allow me to begin by introducing to you Ollie Austin, PhD, Stephanie Ramirez, PhD, and Gerald Larson, PhD. Three scientists. That's as sciencey as this is getting. Okay, now I'll give you some background information. All three scientists work at a place called Bio Ventus.

Cristina: Sounds sciency.

Jack: Some sciency place. And they're science y people. It makes sense. My rabbit hole deep dive for science weirdness was checking out so far.

Cristina: Okay, so is this like a lab in Raccoon City or something?

Jack: No, I wish. That would definitely have been more along the lines of what I was looking for, but this is definitely more along the lines of Halloween. I supp. So all three scientists, now they all work in the same building. None of these three scientists know each other. It's a huge facility and they all have their own respective labs. The only commonality between these three individuals is that they are in their respective projects. The scientists tend to stay late. They're the hardest working of their teams or whatever. They don't know each other. They are totally opposite sides of the building.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Okay. Let us begin. This story takes place through their logs. I guess I'm not. I don't understand why they all have logs. I guess the facility requires anybody to log everything they do, I guess for science journal purposes or whatever.

Cristina: These are real logs.

Jack: These are real logs.

Cristina: People making things up.

Jack: No, no, no. These are logs by these scientists.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes. Yeah. So they're not like random people made these up. These are in certain reports by the facility. And these are all traceable logs that the scientists have made as part of their ritualized log keeping or whatever.

Cristina: Okay. Does it matter what kind of scientists they are to the story?

Jack: No, because the story has nothing to do with science. This is again, my search was on point until the story started to unravel.

Cristina: Is this the murder mystery? Should I guess?

Jack: Allow me to get through it.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: Okay. So on July 10th of 2012, a late night as usual for all three scientists. This is all according to their reports, and they all report at this very night a series of strange sounds. Now they're all coming from the hallway and they are all totally opposite sides of the building, but they all report directly Outside their door, strange sounds. They're unclear about what these sounds are.

Cristina: Okay. None of them actually look out their door. They just report the sounds.

Jack: It's unclear, based on these reports, whether they look outside. Okay, so we just know that they said, oh, strange noises outside, and the rest just continues as normal. Because they're supposed to log every step of everything they take. So every. Any item they use, any tool they use, any chemical they mix, every. Every time they walk across the thing to touch anything.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because all of this factors in to whatever the h*** they're working on. So they log that there was strange sounds, and then the log continues as normal. Now to clarify it, and then the scientists were working together or even on.

Cristina: The same project, but they're on the same floor.

Jack: Unclear. I know. They're opposite sides of buildings of the building. They could totally be one on a different floor or whatever. They're just not together.

Cristina: Okay, but the sounds is coming outside of their room. Not outside. Like, outside the building?

Jack: Yes, directly outside their door.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: All of them report that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes. Okay. Now, what's weird about this is since it's coming from their hall directly outside their door, and they're all opposite sides of the building, none of them report it came from the. You know, it didn't come from outside my window or whatever.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Presumably, the sound is coming from the dead center of the building.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Except somehow it's loud enough to hit all of them to the point that they think is directly outside your door. Yeah, but it happens at exactly 8:32pm.

Cristina: That'S not even that late.

Jack: It's late as h*** for somebody to still be at work. If you work nine to five.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: That's like, almost four hours into your work. Overtime.

Cristina: It would be more scary if it was in the ams.

Jack: Okay, yeah, whatever. Not the point.

Cristina: What happens next?

Jack: We'll find out. So 8:32, everybody reports that at this very moment, strange, anomalous, undistinguishable something sounds are happening. So the guy on the left says it came from the right, the guy on the right says it came from the left. The guy in the front says it came from the back, and the one in the back said it came from the front. There are only three people, but you get the image I'm trying to build. There's a location that it seems to be coming from, except it's equally loud. So, like, maybe it was outside of all their doors simultaneously. Now, they all put the. Put the sounds in their log and the following notes. The following notes after the sound were really weird and identical for all three scientists, which was they all felt dizziness, they all felt nausea, and they all felt, following the dizziness and the nausea, the eeriest feeling like they were being watched.

Cristina: I don't understand where the story is going.

Jack: I told you it's strange. And stop trying to anticipate it because it's not gonna go anywhere you'd ever expect. Really a hundred percent. The story is going nowhere. You think? Okay, it is too strange.

Cristina: Is it a sci fi story? At least.

Jack: We'Re gonna find out along the way.

Cristina: Okay, Okay.

Jack: I suppose my telling you would answer this.

Cristina: Okay, continue the story.

Jack: But again, they all logged the sound and they all have exactly the same notes following it. Nausea, dizziness. And I felt like somebody was watching me.

Cristina: Weird, okay?

Jack: Very, very weird. Now at this point I don't know what the f*** is happening because again, it be. Now I'm thinking alien abduction type of s***, right? Like it's totally going in that direction.

Cristina: But it's not.

Jack: We'll find out whether it is or not. Okay, but it's definitely how it feels. So far.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It a hundred percent feels like aliens are in your building and there's something that's causing the like nausea and the like dizziness, you know, alien radiation or you know, whatever the f****** people would make up. Like I'm sure if just up to this point, like people. The problem is, I know factually that people have made a thousand conspiracy theories stopping at this point, like ignoring the rest of it. They're like, well, clearly the rest of it is just a result of this. Aliens did that and then they hallucinated.

Cristina: The rest of it.

Jack: Yeah, you know, so that's immediately what I stumbled upon. So I'm like, oh, interesting. Let me dig deeper. But those fell apart quick because they literally just stopped at that point. They chose to stop at that point, but the story didn't stop at that point. They made conspiracy theories choosing a point that the story ends essentially. They're like, well, yeah, it was all aliens from that point, but let's, let's decide whether it's all aliens at that point.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Now this event began on July 10. So the scientists have daily logs that continued to get kind of weird and erratic following the events.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: On July 24, all three logs reported an extremely bright flash of light appearing instantly and disappearing from the hallway outside their respective labs, all simultaneously.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Weirdest part about this is they all reported that it happened at 8:32pm okay.

Cristina: What is happening at 8:32pm I don't know.

Jack: But this, it's already like, what the f***?

Cristina: And it's like a blink of a second. Like it's instant.

Jack: It's like, what, just a one shot and then it's gone.

Cristina: And then. Do they feel horrible again?

Jack: Well, following this, they didn't report that they felt any. Like, that never was mentioned again. The dizziness and the nausea.

Cristina: Okay. What?

Jack: Yeah, it was just like the one instant following the sounds, but this time it's a light and there's no report of like any sickness or anything. Okay, now like, what is happening there?

Cristina: And how many days is this after.

Jack: You said 10, and then this is 14 days later.

Cristina: 14 days later. Okay. Does it even matter the length of time? I don't know. Well, continue. Sorry.

Jack: I totally relate. Like, I, I don't know. I don't know. I. It's. You gotta understand, I'm baffled as h*** about this because I'm a very science minded person, which was the point of looking for weird sciencey things. And all I did was find scientists that are like reporting on s*** that just continues to break down. And I'm like, okay, so all of you essentially are describing alien abduction setup.

Cristina: Yes. Still sounds like it.

Jack: Dizziness, nausea. Next you got lights?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Like it's an alien, bro. It has to be, right?

Cristina: I don't know. Where's it?

Jack: And like the conspiracy theories land there. They're all saying aliens. Maybe. In fact, some of the conspiracy theories suggest that on the first time this happened on the 10th, that all three of them were abducted and that anything following this point was either fabricated by the aliens or them under control of the aliens. So they continued the reports just. Nor they continued going through the motions under alien control.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or that these are all hallucinations you're experiencing because of the alien experiments. Yeah, there's a plethora of things, but again, we're approaching this from a scientific. We're trying to be scientific. Even if everybody else who's looked at this immediately went into like tinfoil hat territory.

Cristina: It's hard not to.

Jack: It is so hard not to. Because of how immediately it looks like aliens.

Cristina: Yes. Especially when it's happening at the same exact time every time it happens directly.

Jack: Outside each of their door. Yeah, like that's, here's, here's the problem with this. If they all reported it directly outside their door, but there was a minute, two minutes, three minutes difference between one moment and the other, like one report and the other, then we'd be like, well, something is traveling the building no. Yeah, but it's instantly at the same moment everywhere.

Cristina: So it seems like they're being adopted. Aducted.

Jack: Abducted.

Cristina: Abducted, yes.

Jack: Well, let's find out. So on July 25, this is 15 days after the initial and one day after the bright light.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Totally different amount of time.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: All three reports say a female scream echoed through the halls of the facility at the same time at exactly 8:32pm.

Cristina: Okay, we have a sound, but you don't know what the sound is. It's just some weird.

Jack: Some. They couldn't describe it. It was too foreign to them.

Cristina: Was there a color to the light?

Jack: Just a bright white flash.

Cristina: White flash. And now a scream.

Jack: Now a female scream that they claim echoed through the facility. Now, both Ollie and Gerald investigated immediately. They just jumped into action. Somebody's in the building getting hurt.

Cristina: Okay, cool.

Jack: They ran the halls and did not find a female at all. Also, this is the first time these two scientists meet because they're like, they couldn't. They corroborate the fact that they both heard the s***.

Cristina: Oh, crap. So are they all three gonna meet in the story?

Jack: Find out.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: So they meet and they find nothing. They got, you know, I'm assuming they got like a. A buddy cop story or. Not buddy cop, but, you know, like, buddy story. Yeah, we meet in the thing and we go on a flashlight adventure of finding where the scream came from. Who's the guy behind the mask? Scooby, Help us. So, you know that kind of s***. Except they find nothing. They're like, well, I guess somebody played an audio clip or some s*** really loud. But, like, bro, you're way over there. Yeah, dude, you're way over here. So the reports essentially claim that they met each. Because they have to report everything. So the reports claim they met each other and they heard the same sound and they looked for it. And I guess they came to the conclusion that maybe somebody, before leaving the building, played an audio clip or something or was listening to something weird as they walked around the building that allowed both of them to hear it. They don't understand themselves why it happened at exactly the same time at this. Different sides of the building. That's also included as, like, a weird cliff note of like, okay, that happened for real. I guess I'm not going crazy. The other guy said he heard it.

Cristina: Yeah, but do you know if they talked about the past events to each other?

Jack: No, that was not mentioned at all. I do not know if they discussed this. They. They put just the details that mattered about the event. That happened that night.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then meeting the other person. Okay, that night. Now, while these two guys investigated and they found nothing, the following day, the female, Stephanie Ramirez, was reported missing.

Cristina: What? Wait, did she. She did not write about the woman screaming.

Jack: She wrote about the woman screaming. All three wrote about the woman screaming. Talk about the woman screaming.

Cristina: And then the next day, she's just gone.

Jack: She's just gone. She was never found again. Let me clarify. There was no body to this woman. There was no trace of this woman. This woman ceased to f****** exist that day. Never found again.

Cristina: But she wrote about that. And then she wrote about the rest of her work. Like they would go back and finish their job. Or did she disappear the moment she heard the woman scream?

Jack: No, she heard the woman scream. She continued her work. She did not go investigate. Yeah, she continued. She finished her night, and that was it. And that's the last we ever heard of her. That report. Exactly.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: What the h***? Because you think woman scream. Okay. She yelled because they, too, went to investigate.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Except no. Her report also had a female screen.

Cristina: Yeah. What is happening?

Jack: You see how this is quickly breaking down?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If it was that, this is the moment that I dropped the alien shtick. Because if it's aliens, it was her screaming. It would have been her screaming. Also important detail.

Cristina: What?

Jack: These are the only three people in the building other than janitors. This is a fact.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: This is all. Everything in this building is monitored at all times. This is why the LODs are important.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Everything is monitored at all times. Janitors all walk where there's cameras. What's weird is, in later interviews, the janitors were questioned about the event. They got no. They didn't hear s***. They didn't see s***. This is not happening to the janitors.

Cristina: They have cameras everywhere, though.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Did they see her leave?

Jack: No. The cameras are not allowed in the lab rooms. The cameras are in hallways, which is why the janitors aren't allowed in the rooms. They're only allowed in the hallways.

Cristina: But no one saw her leave the room.

Jack: No one saw her leave the room.

Cristina: She finished her work and then disappeared in that room.

Jack: Disappeared in that room. She never stepped outside.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Let me also clarify. Not every inch of everything has a camera on it. Like, there's not a camera aiming at her door.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: You know, there are many cameras to make sure people don't leave with s***. There are many cameras making sure people don't enter private, like, classified areas.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But there isn't a camera in every inch of the building. Because a lot of it is.

Cristina: Well, that's really hard to imagine that someone like, knew where all the cameras were to sneak around and grab her or some crazy.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. They would be caught somewhere. Yeah, one camera caught them. But the weird part is the fact that no janitor ever heard s***. No janitor ever saw s***.

Cristina: But this isn't where the story ends, is it? No.

Jack: Now there's story keeps going.

Cristina: Oh my gosh, it's crazy. Sorry.

Jack: So, yeah, this lady was never found.

Cristina: Wait, this is a day after the scream, right?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She's reported missing the day after the scream. Presumably she went missing the day of the scream. Yes, that's the. The conclusion to be made here now. Okay. On the following day, the day that the scientist lady is reported missing, the day Stephanie is reported missing, both Ollie and Gerald are still working late. They always work late. That's their thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Both of them report a female scientist roaming the halls crying. And both of them immediately try to chase and find out what the f*** they think. That's the same voice they heard before screaming. The screaming voice. Now there's a chick crying and they see her when they run outside. Unclear. At the distance, turning the corner.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They get to the corner too quick for her to go anywhere and there's nobody there.

Cristina: And they write that down.

Jack: They put that in their logs. They have to log everything.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now in both of these cases, the corner had a camera. Okay, around the corner. And all you see is the scientist guys is the scientist guys rushing to the corner and nothing more. But both of them put the same thing at opposite sides of the building.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. What is happening?

Jack: H*** is going on?

Cristina: I don't know. It sounds like aliens and ghosts. I don't know.

Jack: All at the same time.

Cristina: All at the same time.

Jack: Yeah, all at the same time. Look, I have no idea what the h***'s going on. Not even. Not even a little. Again, I don't know what to think. Sci. Is it a sci fi f****** problem or is it a paranormal issue?

Cristina: And they still go to work late after this point.

Jack: Well, it's their job. They gotta. Because they're science minded. They think there's explanations.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: In fact, Cliff notes with theories in their logs.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: As to maybe I inhaled chemicals from what I'm working on.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And it's causing the hallucination again. They don't. Other than the one scream time, they don't like really go into detail. They're working on things they don't tell each other. All the details. So they don't know that the other person experienced the whole array of things. They just know the one thing. That's it. So they don't realize there's no way that guy inhaled the same thing you did that could you both hallucinating the same thing. That doesn't check out. That doesn't check out. That makes zero sense.

Cristina: No, no. But they don't know.

Jack: They don't know. So they just think you know some. So first I heard the thing and maybe it was real, but maybe it was just something small again, like music or something. But I'm hallucinating. I am experiencing a form of distress that's leading my brain to exaggerate certain things. Maybe the working consistently at nights is causing the. Whatever, blah, blah, blah. They're trying to rationalize it.

Cristina: Yeah, but did they watch those cameras or was that something that happened after.

Jack: That's way later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's way later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So again, they both go and investigate this woman, and there's nobody there. She's just gone around the corner.

Cristina: Okay, before you get to the next part though.

Jack: Got you.

Cristina: The cameras don't hear anything, don't see anything.

Jack: The cameras have no audio?

Cristina: No. Oh, they don't have audio.

Jack: Just video.

Cristina: Video. Okay. They didn't see the flash then the.

Jack: Flash never showed up.

Cristina: They just see these men running.

Jack: They just see these men running around the corner.

Cristina: That's it. Okay.

Jack: And both halls, the cameras around the corner.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Neither of their doors is visible to a camera. But the corner that they took off in, which also now that you bring this up, why did she happen to go in the direction both instances that there's a camera? Weird. I did not think about that before, but now I'm thinking about like she turned basically the identical corner, opposite sides, building.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that they would both be visible around the camera. What a weird coincidence. I didn't think about that before, but that's very ghostly.

Cristina: Like she's still. She's doing the same thing at the same time.

Jack: It would be very ghostly if it was in the same spot.

Cristina: Yes, that's true.

Jack: It. So it makes me so much more uncomfortable that this happened in two sides of the building. Because it would just be ghost story if it was in one spot.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that's way easier to digest.

Cristina: It's two spots.

Jack: Yes. This story makes me so uncomfortable because of like the middle ground between science and paranormal that's happening.

Cristina: Okay, what happens next?

Jack: Well, following these events on the 28th.

Cristina: That'S what like two days later.

Jack: No, actually this is the 27th. Yes. So they both saw the female roaming, crying, chase to investigate, whatever. And the next day on the 27th, the same event happens here.

Cristina: Lady scream.

Jack: They see and they hear crying.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Except this time only Ollie investigates. He's still like, there's. There's something weird, man. He's getting f***** with. His head is not right. He's like, dude, I gotta see. While Gerald continues to work. He's like, I am clearly losing my mind. It is the late nights doing this to me. I'm just gonna put my head down, keep working and ignore it. July 28, Gerald is reported missing. And he is never f****** found again.

Cristina: He's the one that stayed working.

Jack: He's the one who kept working. He is never found again. There's no trace of this person either.

Cristina: It's like ghosts are trying to help them escape the aliens. Or something.

Jack: Something, something is f****** happening.

Cristina: Trying to get them out of the room.

Jack: It's trying to get them. Yes, that's my same conclusion. Exactly right. That's my exact conclusion. There's something trying to get them out because whatever is in the room with them is worse.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's a f***** up story, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't know what's happening. And it's. It's legitimately scary. I'm telling you. Like, this is an uneasy situation. I don't easily get scared. I was looking for science and I found just something really uncomfortable. Really ridiculously uncomfortable.

Cristina: Yeah. This is so crazy.

Jack: And it's like I don't. I really don't know what to think so far, man. Because it feels like you go outside and you're safe.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: If you don't, you're just gone.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The very first instant somebody's gone. The only person who didn't investigate. Everybody continues investigating regularly. They're perfectly fine. But the moment they stop, gone without a f****** trace. What the h*** is happening?

Cristina: I don't know. Okay, so what happens next? Cuz there's one more guy. I'm assuming there's this pattern forming. He's gonna disappear. Right.

Jack: Well, first I want to really just try to understand this. There are patterns, but let's review the events. We hear a female scream and we have Ollie and Gerald go and investigate. They see nothing. Or maybe they investigate. I have. No, no, see, here's the problem. Unless we have to assume. We have to assume they investigated the first time and just didn't report on that. But they have to report everything they do so they wouldn't.

Cristina: You Said they did investigate the scream. I thought the only one that didn't investigate the scream was a lady.

Jack: Was that. Okay, so they did investigate the scream, Right?

Cristina: Yeah, they did.

Jack: No, because I know they all heard the scream.

Cristina: They investigate. They didn't. The first thing that happened was some sound. And they didn't investigate the sound.

Jack: Yes, that. My bad. That's okay. That's what I was trying to get to screw the scream. The sound. Yes. You see, this is my point. This is immediately f******. Because I'm trying to wrap my head around all of it. The sound. None of them investigated the sound?

Cristina: No.

Jack: None of them were missing or they all investigated the sound, didn't report on it. But they have to. That's sort of the rule here. They have to report on it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because everything else is reported on. We have to assume everything is reported on. The fact that there's no. Say I left my room and looked.

Cristina: Yeah. They just heard a sound, didn't investigate. Saw light, didn't investigate.

Jack: And nothing happened to them other than the first time with the sound. Them getting sick.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the pattern. There's no real pattern here.

Cristina: No.

Jack: It feels like there is. And then like really you look at it and there isn't. Because nobody investigated the sound. As far as we know.

Cristina: But that's probably why they got sick.

Jack: Why didn't anybody missing?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: And why didn't the sickness ever get mentioned again?

Cristina: I don't know. That's true.

Jack: Why? Why do we have two missing people without a trace? But then before. No. Unless it's the fact that all three of them didn't. Maybe one at a time. Because that's what happened with the scream. One of them didn't and then went missing. Then following again. One of them didn't and went missing. It's the only pattern we have. Whatever's taking them couldn't, in theory take all of them simultaneously. It could only take the straggler.

Cristina: Yes. So that means the guy that's by himself. There's no way.

Jack: Because he's the only one.

Cristina: Because he's only. Unless he runs out if something weird happens again. Unless nothing weird is gonna happen.

Jack: But also the facility is compartmentalized. Other than them running and crossing paths, they don't know s*** about anybody else.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So they're not even getting filled in about this other crap. They don't know what the h*** is happening. They don't even know this other chick is just missing.

Cristina: They must know that.

Jack: No. It's a really top secret part of the facility, they work on really secretive stuff.

Cristina: So some secret experiment is on the loose.

Jack: I mean, I guess it could in theory be that, but it doesn't seem like they're working on some kind of creature of any sort. It seems like, you know, maybe medicine or some s***, and they're just not revealing what it is.

Cristina: I don't know, like, the place in Resident Evil was doing medicine.

Jack: Yeah, but these reports are, like, full reports. They would be talking about, oh, the creature got out or something. Like, somebody would know.

Cristina: Oh, someone else would write that.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. It would make sense to some. Like, at some point, Something like somebody would be like, oh, well, we're not gonna talk about this because, you know, it was the f****** monster we made.

Cristina: Yeah. Just.

Jack: Just erase the thing. So nobody knows, you know? But the logs are still there. There were people confused, trying to investigate, even working there.

Jack: But, like, what the h*** is going on? Then we have an instance of sounds. What the f*** are the sounds? None of you could determine the sounds? Okay, whatever. So some sound sounds, strange sounds. Literally one of the quotes is strange sounds. Like, that's as much as they can get your scientists. What the h***? Yeah, strange sounds, okay, but dizziness and.

Cristina: Nausea, how would that happen?

Jack: And, like, all three of you, how would that happen? How the f*** was the sound then?

Cristina: It was, I don't know, strange enough to get them sick. What?

Jack: Interesting enough. I wanted to investigate the sound and found kind of a lot of stories about people feeling nausea and dizziness in different scenarios following a strange sound.

Cristina: Oh, my God.

Jack: Unrelated to this, just some whole other. I was like, what kind of sounds could cause that? And in typing, like, okay, sound that can cause dizziness and nausea.

Cristina: So it's a common thing?

Jack: Well, no, it's just all other weird.

Cristina: Oh, it's just weird stories?

Jack: Yeah, it was just weird, like, Reddit stories and s***. People like hearing sounds and then, oh, I'm sick suddenly. But these professional scientists all kind of wrote the same thing in, like, an official log, which then makes me question, like, these people on Reddit aren't that crazy. Maybe they really experience that s***, and we're just over here like, you're a f****** nutjob. But then these scientists are like, no, that really happened.

Cristina: But we can't even compare the sound with because we don't know what the f*** the sound is.

Jack: Weirdly enough, in these Reddit f****** stories, the same instant, a totally anomalous, indistinguishable sound leads to the nausea and dissonance.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They cannot tell what the sound is, but neither can these scientists. But the result is the same sickness or something. Yes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: My question is why this and then no result? And why the flash and no result? The only pattern is one of them didn't get involved.

Cristina: Yeah, so far that seems like the only pattern.

Jack: Yeah, but also, let's say ghosts. Then what the h*** with the sound and what the h*** with the flash? That's so alien.

Cristina: I don't know. Are you sure? I feel like if we investigate some.

Jack: Ghost stories, we'd find flashing lights and weird sounds. Yeah, probably. Yeah, yeah, yeah, probably. But then the problem with a ghost is the echo nature of it. It shouldn't be in three places at once. It should be in one spot repeating the same s***. Yeah, that kills the ghostliness.

Cristina: That's very strange.

Jack: Creepy a** story, right? Yeah, it's so messed up. Okay, so on the 28th, Gerald is reported missing and he is never heard of again. His report, just like Stephanie's, ends with him working, finishing the workday.

Cristina: That's it?

Jack: That's it. Just no more Gerald.

Cristina: Whoa. What's happening? Doesn't like you would expect that it would happen instantly, but no, they still finish the day off like nothing.

Jack: On the 29th, nothing. Nothing happened.

Cristina: Nothing happened.

Jack: Nothing happened. We have a bunch of days back to back, and then they have nothing.

Cristina: How long until something happens?

Jack: The 30th. Two days later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: On July 30th, a police report states a call came from Bioventus facility from an Ollie Austin claiming that the power to the building. It's a science facility, very important. It has backup generators.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The power to the building was cut off. Should not have happened to the entire building.

Cristina: To the entire building.

Jack: To the entire building. And then he was attacked. Everything got pitch black. Dark, dark, dark, dark. He can't see s***. And he was attacked.

Cristina: He told them he was attacked.

Jack: He told them he was attacked. And his lab was destroyed, but nothing was stolen.

Cristina: He lived, though, or did he disappear?

Jack: He's totally fine. He was just beat up.

Cristina: They got there, but the lights were working, weren't they?

Jack: When they got there, the lights were fine.

Cristina: The lights were fine. So he imagined it. Not imagined it, but what he was experiencing. The rest of the building wasn't like all the other events.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: These events are just happening to him.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes. Because later questioning of the janitor's report, none of this ever took place. Yeah, they didn't experience anything.

Cristina: And there's no way to know if there was anything in that room that destroyed it. It just Looks like he did it.

Jack: Yes. And the cameras, again, that did exist at no moment cut off and did not see any power outage.

Cristina: Okay, I didn't see him being attacked or anything, but he was in the room while it happened.

Jack: He was in the room while it happened?

Cristina: Yes, while it happened. He didn't hear a sound or flash or anything.

Jack: No lights go out. Something f***** him up.

Cristina: And the whole room.

Jack: Yeah, something destroyed that room. S*** was thrown everywhere and broken everywhere.

Cristina: But when they investigate, like how he's hurt and whatever, does it look like he did it to himself or does it look like he was attacked?

Jack: It looks like he was attacked. Okay, now because here's the craziest part about this. Why the. Why his work?

Cristina: What is his work?

Jack: What is his work? At no point is it specified what his work is. Again, there's a bunch of classified s*** happening in there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now we come back to what you were talking about. I don't think something broke out, but definitely they were working on something maybe they shouldn't have and something with much more power decided, this is probably a bad idea. Now I kind of come back to aliens. But then, what the f*** is with the crying lady? Now the sounds and the flashing lights are just aliens. Like, stop f****** doing what you're doing. But then what's up with the lady? Yeah, and if they're all working on different things, what the f***?

Cristina: Why are they being attacked?

Jack: Why did two of them go missing? And why was his lab destroyed?

Cristina: Yeah, but does he end up going missing? Is this the end of the story? This isn't.

Jack: No, this isn't the end of the story. He's perfectly fine other than getting beat up. I said he's totally fine.

Cristina: He's still gonna work late, though. After this moment, he's like, yeah, whatever. I survived. I'm gonna continue working late.

Jack: Sure, why not?

Cristina: What?

Jack: Sure, why not?

Cristina: Sure, why not?

Jack: Yeah, of course he didn't go back to the building. What? Of course. That's crazy.

Cristina: Okay? Wondering, like, all these other events and he was like, whatever, I' continue working.

Jack: Yeah, but now he got. He has physical proof.

Cristina: Okay. And then he finally stops.

Jack: Yeah, obviously no human after that point is gonna be, like, nuts. Totally in my head. I'm going back to my facility. What is he gonna work on if his s*** is destroyed? Yeah, what is he going back to? Nothing. There's nothing. There's nothing. It's all destroyed. His lab is destroyed. He got beat up. There's no reason for him to go back. Except he does. But not Even the work. Because on August 3, a police report claims that.

Cristina: What did he do? He burned the building. Now.

Jack: Well, he called claiming he was being followed. Oh, yeah.

Cristina: And his. Before he got to the building or when he went back to the building? Like, why did he go back to the building?

Jack: Well, that's unclear until we get to August 4th, where there's a police report claiming that they got a call from Bioventus, from one of the janitors. Okay, this is where this breaks down so hard, and I'm traumatized.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: So Ollie Austin is found dead. He's not missing. He's found dead.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Totally mutilated, but he did it to himself. He's covered in blood, and his notes are written on the walls, crazy person style, okay? In scientific notation using both pencil and blood. And his own blood, of course. Yep. What the f***?

Cristina: And the two other bodies? No, there's no.

Jack: There's no other bodies.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Like, I thought eventually they'd find those bodies.

Jack: No, no, no. I said specifically. These people were never found.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They were never found. They cease to exist to this day.

Cristina: I don't understand why he was different.

Jack: I don't understand either. I don't understand why any situ. There's no pattern.

Cristina: There really is no pattern.

Jack: There's no pattern. Random horror s*** going on.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What the f*** is happening in this building, bro?

Cristina: Yeah. Did anyone piece what he was writing or whatever?

Jack: It's just his notes. It's just the work he was doing.

Cristina: Just work. Oh, okay.

Jack: Just the work he was doing what?

Cristina: In his room, though, in the hallway? Like, where was he found exactly?

Jack: He was found in his lab.

Cristina: In his lab, which.

Jack: There was no reason for him to go back. There was nothing in his lab. It was all destroyed.

Cristina: When he was being followed. He was calling from the building, though.

Jack: I'm unclear on that. It just says that. There's a report saying that he was being followed. I think headed towards the building.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: We're leaving the building. I'm not entirely sure it was the previous day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, Ollie's last log from this night claimed to have met a fellow scientist.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Again, this story makes me so uncomfortable. Keep in mind, there's no reason for him to be in the building.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's no reason for him to make a log.

Cristina: But he does.

Jack: But he does. On the fourth, he makes a log like nothing happened. Normal. Just normal. Everyday thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Ollie's last log claims that he met a Stephanie Ramirez in the hallways and that was it. That's the lady who went missing.

Cristina: I know that. I know that, but. And.

Jack: And they both searched for the source of a scream. The end.

Cristina: The end.

Jack: The end.

Cristina: That's such a horror story.

Jack: So he met somebody who was missing that he had never met before.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Looked for a scream with her. With her. That is very similar to what he experienced with Gerald.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: He doesn't report whether you found anything or anything. It's just. He's just found f****** self mutilated dead. There's nobody else of these two individuals ever found. Janitors experienced anything. Camera' caught nothing. The end.

Cristina: It makes no sense.

Jack: Incredibly uneasy. This story makes me.

Cristina: That's the end of the story.

Jack: That's the end of the story. There's nothing else on this.

Cristina: I don't understand.

Jack: I don't understand either.

Cristina: And people still work at this building. This building's still a building that's being used to do stuff in.

Jack: Yeah. So on official reports, this is put down. Now the two missing people are again, there's no body, there's no nothing. There's different claims. There's no death.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So whatever. Scientists working on crazy s***, they run away all the time. Maybe they're working on something they shouldn't have. Whatever. So these reports are easy. The Ollie one, you know, scientist loses his mind, you know, takes his own life type s***. Okay, so none of the other scientists who also don't know any of the other scientists other than the people who work in their respective labs have anything to fear about coming back to work. It looks on paper like scientists down the hall working on something crazy went crazy. Typical science. Okay, the people, this, Ali's personal team, they have their own notes. They just rebuild and work.

Cristina: Okay, well, but like after this, no one stayed late in that building. These are the only scientists who ever stay late in that building.

Jack: There were other scientists that stayed late around this period. Is just these three people.

Cristina: Just these three people that experienced these events?

Jack: No, it's just these three people who are single at the point where these events were happening.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: July and August of 2012.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Only these three sciences were regularly sting late.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: And obviously before and after crap ton of scientists, I'm sure have stayed late. But there's nothing if they have, there's nothing related to this.

Cristina: I don't understand what this story is.

Jack: I don't either. The fact that it's so unclear is what makes it horrible, horrifying. We can't just be like, oh, it's a ghost. That's what's scary about the story.

Cristina: I don't. Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, it's. I don't know where to point. I don't know what to think. That's what makes it so uneasy. Was it aliens? Was it. Was it ghosts? What the h*** is going on?

Cristina: Yes. Like he sees the girl and she's like, hey, I heard that sound too.

Jack: Yes. What now? Who. What the. Is the girl sound? What's the screaming woman thing?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: So many parts. Flashing lights, anomalous sounds, screaming. Two missing people and a person who hurt themselves after they were attacked and the lab was destroyed. What is the line that cuts through all of this?

Cristina: Is there an. I don't know. There's no explanation.

Jack: Just random s*** that happens for two months.

Cristina: That's so weird because there's other people there too. The janitors, you say? And nothing.

Jack: The janitors were in the building late.

Cristina: Yeah. And nothing.

Jack: Nothing.

Cristina: What could have happened?

Jack: And the theories just conspiracy nonsense. And the official explanations are for this, for Ollie is that scientists went crazy. And for Stephanie and Gerald are they potentially ran away because they're working on some thing that they shouldn't have or they stole data to go sell or whatever the case because it's again, a bunch of classified stuff. And this kind of stuff typically happens where somebody takes a thing. You could sell it for a crap ton of money. Just leave the country, give to like China or something. There's a bunch of that going on.

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know. This is such a weird story. So weird. No good explanation.

Jack: No good explanation.

Cristina: What? It's just so weird. Just trying to understand the story is hard.

Jack: Yeah, it's weird and choppy. There's no, like, what does this have to relate with that. Yeah, that's all we need to do in this.

Cristina: This. Holes everywhere.

Jack: Yes, exactly. If. If one thing was consistent.

Cristina: The time is consistent.

Jack: The time is consistent. But what the h*** does that mean?

Cristina: Does that mean.

Jack: What the h*** does that mean?

Cristina: Alien.

Jack: What is 8:32? Well, no, the time is very ghost. Aliens do crap at the same time. Ghost do, because echo, it's the same thing at the same time. That checks out with ghost and the like crying lady. Very typical ghost s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even the scream. We could chalk off the ghost s***.

Cristina: Yeah, a lot of it is ghostly. But at the same time. No, because it's all happening at the same time.

Jack: Yes, but like, I think this leans harder to ghosts than anything else too.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like we have to say we have to break some ghost rules here. In order to keep a ghost. The fact that it's not an isolated direction, but rather somehow outside everybody's door. I don't know why, but it's. It's the case.

Cristina: Yeah. Just a ghost that's doing the same thing to everyone around it first. But only specifically these three scientists.

Jack: Yes, because that's weird. Yes, because the janitor's there too.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And a ghost wouldn't give a. With somebody working on. Yeah, like, unless these things led to somebody's death. Interesting.

Cristina: That could be something.

Jack: And then this is a revenge ghost. But again, all three. It breaks down because all three projects are different.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: They aren't working on the same thing.

Cristina: But it only happens in the room.

Jack: And it only happens in the room. Nothing happens outside the room.

Cristina: Except when he met Stephanie. That was outside the room.

Jack: Yes. And when they followed the girl around the corner. Yes, that happened inside the room.

Cristina: They saw her, but they weren't in the hallway at the same time as her. At least I don't think, like they saw her turn that corner. But they weren't, were they? Did they?

Jack: Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. I'm assuming they saw her turn the corner, but they actually saw her walk past her door and they run outside. And there's only one direction she could have gone around the corner.

Cristina: Yeah. So it seems like so far everything.

Jack: Has happened from inside the room.

Cristina: Yes. Except for that last part.

Jack: Unless they never left the room.

Cristina: Unless he never left the room.

Jack: Unless he never left the room.

Cristina: Which makes also sense.

Jack: That means he's going crazy in that room. Which would also explain the self mutilation. And he tore apart the room.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So the assumption here is none of this is happening. All of this is in their head. Easy to say ghost. Easy to say alien because you don't need anything else. It's all in their heads.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But then the problem again, everything has. There's a hole being poked by the story at all times. Yes, because what the h*** happens to the other two?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Why? What decided who gets taken and how? So if none of them really ran outside, because it's all happening in their heads, why did she go first? Why did he go second? Why didn't he go at all? There's like, rules and the rules break themselves.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. Like, some of it makes sense, but then. Yeah, it doesn't make sense, really.

Jack: No, it doesn't. This is probably the most horrifying thing I've ever read because of how confusing it is. It's kind of like when you first watch Paranormal Activity without knowing that it's totally bullshit.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And you're like, what the f*** is happening? It can't.

Cristina: It feels like it's happening in their rooms, though. But it's weird because none of their rooms are next to each other, either exact. Well, that's the only explanation. It's just something that's in the room.

Jack: Yes. Now, when Geralt and Ollie ran outside their rooms. Here's the problem. They logged that and they talked to each other. They met the other person.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Alternatively, maybe they f****** didn't because Ollie met somebody who's been missing.

Cristina: That's true. So they might not have met each other.

Jack: You see why this story immediately gets even more uneasy?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then if he didn't meet Geralt when he ran outside and Geralt didn't meet Ollie, what the f*** did they see? Because it's just as likely that it wasn't. Because, again, Ollie met Stephanie, who's been missing. So you didn't really need Stephanie for Ollie to meet Stephanie, which means you don't really need Geralt for Ollie.

Cristina: They might not have ever left the room.

Jack: Never left the room.

Cristina: It's just like that's where their mind took them. If that's what's happening. But who knows?

Jack: But, you know, they could have just been going crazy and there's something making them go crazy.

Cristina: Whatever that first event was that made them feel sick.

Jack: Yes. Interesting angle to take, because maybe there's some toxin in the building. But again, the problem is it's. Janitor. Yes. Maybe there's vents. No, because it would lead everywhere. Vents would lead everywhere. Why would the vents only lead to their rooms and not to the hallways?

Cristina: That's true. Maybe this is some revenge story. Maybe there is this evil scientist guy who's like, I gotta get rid of these scientist people.

Jack: It could totally be. It could totally be that they are being poisoned. Because again, it seems to be happening in their rooms.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So something could have been put in their rooms. But then why three different scientists working on different things? These three scientists must have had a connection to one individual.

Cristina: Yes, because they are working with each other. Even if they're not really working with each other, they're.

Jack: They work for the same company.

Cristina: Yes, that's it. Yes. But there's gotta be some connection. They know each other. Not know each other, but, like, by. Like, I know this scientist who knows that scientist who knows that one who knows you.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: They have connected in some way.

Jack: Yeah, like seven degrees of separation.

Cristina: Exactly. So there has to be someone that knows all three of them.

Jack: I guess. But then what's up with that?

Cristina: I don't know. Because we still have two people that are missing.

Jack: Yes. We got two people that are missing. This story is messed up because a guy met somebody who's missing, which takes away. No. Okay. No, it can't be. It can't be. It can't be. And I'm gonna tell you why this is broken. We're not even thinking about it. And it's the most obvious part. How is he gonna go crazy and report the exact name of somebody missing who he's never met?

Cristina: He has to have heard about the name. There's no way he didn't hear about the missing people in the building. Even if he doesn't know those people, there's no way no one was talking about the missing people.

Jack: Okay, let me break this conclusion for you. How did Gerald meet Ollie and Ollie meet Gerald and they report having met each other.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You see the problem?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There was nobody missing out of those two.

Cristina: No.

Jack: They were in the building at the.

Cristina: Same time they were.

Jack: And they allegedly met.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: According to their own notes.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they confirm each other by name. Did they not meet? And how the f*** did they get the name? Right. But that means they did leave the rooms. Unless they didn't. But how the h*** did they. So then we're back to ghost. How is this ghost pretending to be the opposite person being in the room? And like, what's happening in the room?

Cristina: Or if it's aliens and they're not really in the hallways in those moments, but like in the spaceship next to each other. They just don't know it.

Jack: Oh. Oh, I didn't think about that at all. This is during the abduction. The whole everything is happening in the building is also part of the illusion.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They made up the building in your mind after they took you out of it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or before they took you out of it. They project the building. They take you. You don't realize you're gone. And maybe you're connected to a Matrix esque thing that's showing you the building.

Cristina: Man, that kind of makes sense.

Jack: Yeah. So then we're back to. You see how crazy this is? And it jumps from aliens to go back and forth and it's like we don't know what the h***'s going on.

Cristina: Well. But the alien ones kind of make sense. Yeah.

Jack: Now we're starting to ground it a little. Right? Yeah. We're bringing our job. Look, the Internet has struggled with this one, we're bringing it home.

Cristina: But they brought it to aliens, too.

Jack: They brought it to aliens. Yeah. That was the main conclusion. Everybody went to aliens.

Cristina: It's hard because. Yeah, like aliens. Because, yes, they. They're doing more than just taking you to their ship. They've got. If they got technology to have a ship in the first place, they can have an illusion.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. They can have a super. So the fact that they traversed space at all, they have a super sophisticated projection that could convince the f*** out of you, there's no question.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They need enough energy to traverse space.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They can convincingly project the universe.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They have to be able to. That's way less energy. It takes way less energy to do that. You just gotta fool somebody's senses. That's it.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. So.

Jack: And maybe the weird sound and the weird flashes are. Because Maybe it's not a. Maybe it's not a perfect illusion.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: These are just the cracks.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The glitches here and there.

Cristina: Yeah. And the lady screaming could have been stuffing it. She just didn't know.

Jack: Yes. Yes. And somehow the feedback came back to her too.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Because she's also in some weird. Whatever they're in. In that moment.

Jack: Yes. Yes.

Cristina: Feel right? I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. Well, point is, the s*** makes me hella uneasy. It's so weird. It's a very horrifying story.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What, and it had nothing to do with science?

Cristina: No.

Jack: This story was me trying to replicate the cola. Super deep borehole. And, you know, weird science crap, I can investigate. But no, it didn't take me to weird science crap. It took me to scientists experiencing weird crap.

Cristina: The weirdest.

Jack: The weirdest, weirdest crap. And also, no. It's so tame. But something about the tameness is more horrible.

Cristina: It builds up to something horrifying.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah, it definitely escalated with time.

Cristina: Yeah. Like that ending. What?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Also the missing people and, like, haunting itself.

Jack: Why did he meet a missing person? Why did he meet a missing person? Why did he paint the walls with his equations? That's another, like, weird. Like, what, dude?

Cristina: Because he was still working. I guess it makes it feel like aliens. Feels like he.

Jack: He's on autopilot.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh, there's nothing in the lab. So he's still working. Malfunction. That's so much scarier, bro. Like, his body is still. But that means he's still in the room and not connected to some s***.

Cristina: Yeah, because he malfunctioned. They put something in him. They investigate that body okay, so the.

Jack: Theory here would be the events happened of him getting abducted and whatever. And then they put him back. But they put him back broken. And then he continued to work on nothing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And covered the walls with his blood and pencil notations of all his equations.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because he's broken now.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And he killed him. I don't know why he killed himself in the process, but. Because he's broken.

Cristina: Because he's broken. Yeah. And they probably killed the other two. I don't know why. Or maybe they're not dead. No, because he saw her. So he might have saw her. Seen her when he was up there with them.

Jack: Yes. So they're just missing. They got abducted. Why didn't he? Why was he useless?

Cristina: Because he was broken. That's why they put him back. And then he killed himself.

Jack: There was something already wrong with him that they could tell.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: While the other two. There was nothing wrong with them. They could keep these. These are the good hosts. Let's keep them. That guy's no good. Return him, and then that whole thing happens. Yeah, I guess. I guess it checks out to some degree. I guess the Internet figured it out then. Tin foil hat was the way to go.

Cristina: Yeah, maybe.

Jack: I mean, it's the closest.

Cristina: It's the closest. I guess. Like, it's just such random.

Jack: Yes, it's. But if we talk glitch. And so the first couple of instances are just a. Faulty. They're establishing. They're starting to establish the signal that's gonna trap these people. That's why nobody went missing initially. You know, there's a couple of days between one point and another at the beginning, and then. Okay, consecutive days of crap happening, and the aliens are consistently picking at them, and then. Oh, no, that one's faulty. We can't seem to work around his problems. Leave that guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The other two people must have been fine. But also, why do you need one at a time? Why is it only the one who stayed behind?

Cristina: Why is the only one that stayed behind?

Jack: Yeah. When she stayed behind, she got abducted. When he stayed behind, he got abducted. But then there's only one person. He's the last one. Did they want the people who didn't give a f***? She only got taken once she stopped. Well, she never gave a f***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or was too scared to do anything. And boom. Scooped up the other guy when he investigated. Nothing. But when he didn't. Gone. Why is it necessary that they don't? There's so many f****** holes, man.

Cristina: Maybe he was just not ready. Maybe they were Experimenting on them and like it didn't really matter who came first or not. Like they could have done it all at the same time.

Jack: It just happened to be coincidence that she stayed, then he stayed.

Cristina: Yeah, but maybe. I don't know. It's so weird. I don't know. There's so much weirdness happening.

Jack: Yep. So that's the Bioventus missing person's case.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: What? Not even that long ago, huh?

Jack: Not even that long ago. 2012. Well, 10 years ago.

Cristina: 10 years ago. Yeah. But stuff could happen like that again in that place. There's gonna be another scientist who's gonna stay.

Jack: There have been scientists who stayed late. Oh, this has only happened in that period, then over again. And some of this is piece from police reports. So. Yeah. Interesting.

Cristina: No, very interesting.

Jack: Very strange and very horrifying. One of the few things that has made me uneasy and it's because it's hard to like follow, sit together. It's so problematic.

Cristina: There's a story there. It's just like, what?

Jack: What is. Yeah, there's clearly a story. What is it? You know, that's real question.

Cristina: It's really happening. Is there something really happening?

Jack: I don't know, but yeah. So what do you think? Crazy, right?

Cristina: That is crazy. I don't understand.

Jack: Neither do I. So look, you've got a couple of creepy things here and there, you know, there's my breakdown of my personal creepy experiences relative to Clinton Road and trying to understand that and like bubble universes and whatever. So you can find all that stuff. We've got. There's a. Actually this is right up our alley. There's a bunch of horror s*** all over the place and a bunch of like weird instances and crap everywhere and creatures and like whatever you find all of that. All that. And if you need clips and crap, if you want to talk to us, you want to ask us questions or you want to have a converse, maybe you know something about this. Like, fill us. Fill in the blanks for us. You can find us to have those conversations on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram at justconvopod.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe and review the show.

Jack: Yes. Do all those things. Mainly review the show. Leave us some stars.

Cristina: Yes. And emojis. Always ghosts.

Jack: Yeah. Or alien.

Cristina: Or alien. I guess. Whichever you think happened.

Jack: Yeah, I guess I don't even.

Cristina: Ghosts coming out of alien ships. I don't know. Yeah, it's both. Alien. Ghost. Yeah.

Jack: And you know, let someone who might like the show know about it. Tell them, tell them if they like weird mysteries, if they like solving mysteries. This is like the mother of mysteries, bro.

Cristina: This is an unsolvable mystery.

Jack: This is unsolvable as h*** because there's too many parts missing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We literally don't have witnesses. We have footage saying none of this has ever happened. We got people in the building simultaneously who didn't experience any of it. And once the people left their rooms, they also had nothing to claim. Yeah, only while in their rooms. So, like, there's too many pieces missing. But if your homies like to solve mysteries, this is up there with, like, big problems to solve that you say like Bigfoot.

Cristina: Okay, I guess that's.

Jack: That's an overpowered mystery that no one has ever solved.

Cristina: Yeah, solve that one, too. This has been the right rambling podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening. Bye. Tiny.

Jack: It's about the size, relatively speaking. Our actual planet size is about the size that Puerto Rico is to Earth is all we are to all of us. To the entire planet. Yes. So what Puerto Rico on our maps is to our observable planet is the size of the us to the actual planet.

Cristina: Man, I wish I could see that. That's a really ridiculous picture.

Jack: Crazy visual. Yeah. But it's more or less that same. It is a globe we're on. Like, the Earth isn't flat, it's round.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But the part of it that we exist on is quite arguably pretty flat, considering how much you got to go before you hit curvature, because it's so.

Cristina: It's so tiny.

Jack: It's a small section of something huge. So the curvature is so vastly flat that you wouldn't be able to tell.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

October 31, 2020

JCP 4.10 Obscure Anomalies & The Unknown

October 31, 2020/ GreyThoughts.Info

Kris Rustic, Obscure Anomalies, The Just Conversation Podcast, Paranormal, ghosts, Phantoms, funny, show, radio, fringe, monsters, urban legend, monsters, creatures, science fiction, folklore

Guest Kris Rustic, host of the Obscure Anomalies podcast, joins Jack to discuss everything from new music and horror films to the nature of the universe and whether history is correct or warped!

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Unique Music
Art Association
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Normality
Folklore
Bird Box
B Horror
Jeepers Creepers
Irrational Laws
Faith vs Religion
Paranormal Experiences
Bigfoot
Futurama
The Genius of SpongeBob
Fallout 4
WWII
Ghost Hunters

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May 23, 2020

Rambling 90: Haunted Roads P3

May 23, 2020/ GreyThoughts.Info

Haunted Roads, The Just Conversation Podcast, Forest, Haunted, Woods, Creepy, PAranormal, Ghosts, Scary, Fear, Horror, Phantom

Are Clinton Road hauntings a paranormal problem or a physics problem? Resolving Jack’s Clinton Road haunting experience from ten years back by comparing it to similar cases reported by others.

Still taking shelter on Zombie island hidden in a Toilet Paper Castle, the duo decide to dive deeper into Jack’s experiences ten years ago, finally arriving at several different conclusions that might prove to be the answer to the conundrum of Clinton Road and it’s extremely high degree of paranormal activity.

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Anticipating Fear
Time Slips
Nonexistent Locations
Vanishing Cave
In The Tall Grass
Haunted Woods
Time Bubbles
Overlapping Timelines
The Matrix Glitch

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February 01, 2020

Rambling 77: Haunted Roads P2

February 01, 2020/ GreyThoughts.Info

Haunted Roads, Ghosts, Phantom, Story, Theory, Woods, Forest, Road, Paranormal, Creepy, Sketchy, Weird, Weird new Jersey, Scary, Creepy, Haunted

Are there other places as haunted as Clinton Road New Jersey? Part 2 of Haunted Roads. Cristy tells us stories from other haunted roads and Jack attempts to relate them back to his personal experiences.

Story:
Cristy shares the rest of the information she has uncovered from the Freemason’s library related to haunted roads and Clinton Road. They attempt to close the books on this case, one and for all. Between realities branching off into many possibilities all at once, places popping in and out of existence, shapeshifters and ghost children, it seems getting to the bottom of things might be more difficult than our duo expected.

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Recap of Part 1
Strange Happenings
Split Realities
Fringe Time Differences
Disappearing Places
Haunted Roads
Dead Ends
Shapeshifters
Ghost Children
Women in the White Dress
Haunted Cars
Resurrection Marry
Red Gate Woods

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