Rambling 286: Flatwoods Monster
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What exactly is the Flatwoods Monster? What circumstances surround its sighting? Have we seen it before? The duo open the case of Flatwoods Monster, a strange West Virginia sighting of an eerie creature more relevant that anyone could have ever predicted.
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- Mass Sightings
- Police Report
- Farm House
- Meteor
- Mothman
- Adrenochrome
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+Transcription
Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.
Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.
Jack: And this is the program where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. Is that not what we do? Is it not what what we do?
Cristina: I'm pretty sure we do that. We do that sometimes.
Jack: Sometimes. Are you claiming that on every single one of our episodes we've not given groundbreaking revelations that alter the way in which humans as a whole vis. Visualize reality?
Cristina: Are you about to show me something?
Jack: I'm about to show you something crazy.
Cristina: Is it more land? Is it more land to look at? And guess what? The land.
Jack: More land. No.
Cristina: No. Okay, good.
Jack: I got a chair.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And I got a thing. I need you to walk the listeners who cannot see what you're seeing through what I am showing you.
Cristina: It's like a ghost lady robot alien.
Jack: That's fair. That's fair. I can see all the things you're talking about.
Cristina: She has red eyes. She has salad finger fingers. What are they called? They're very long. They're very long and thin fingers, but like a robotic torso, right? Red giant eyes. Like, if you saw her tonight, you think she's Mothman, but she doesn't have the wings. She does have crazy hair.
Jack: Doesn't that make so much f****** sense, to think that this is the Mothman?
Cristina: Yeah. If you saw that at night, you.
Jack: Would 100% think the Mothman.
Cristina: I don't know if that thing is her hair. It could be her hair. It could be. I don't know. Or her head is on fire. I don't know. It looks like from the Sharer's Point. Like, if it's painting what she's supposed to look like as well. Her head is glowing red. It's just a red glow coming from her head, I think. I'm not sure. Is she an alien? Is she a God? I don't know.
Jack: I don't know. I don't know. Okay, walk us through the chair. Because you focus a lot on her. Walk us through this chair a little.
Cristina: It's a chair.
Jack: Of course.
Cristina: She's behind the chair. And are you sitting on her? Is she like a Santa Claus to someone or something? Like, why do you sit on the chair of her?
Jack: It would be sitting on her lap, I guess. Right?
Cristina: And there's like, a tiny image of, like, her next to a person. And a person's very tiny next to her.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: That's a normal grown person at her. She. She's humongous.
Jack: Important, important points.
Cristina: And so is that share that big. Like if some. An adult sits on that chair, they'll look tiny.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Why is she some Santa Claus alien robot thing? God, what is he? I don't know.
Jack: And you've gendered her, too. It's a her or it could be.
Cristina: A he, but, like, lady.
Jack: Yeah, it's.
Cristina: The thing is wearing a skirt.
Jack: It looks.
Cristina: A very long skirt.
Jack: What would you say is in between the skirt and its tor. Torso.
Cristina: Robot parts. Right.
Jack: Like springs or some.
Cristina: Yeah, or it's some kind of bug creature. Because, like, it's. Yeah, the. The torso is just.
Jack: Okay. An exoskeleton type of thing.
Cristina: Yeah. With the arms. It goes. Well, he. Or it was some type of bug.
Jack: The arms kind of get weird. Now tell me about these arms a little more.
Cristina: They're sticks. There's stick arms.
Jack: If you were to just see the arms, what would you think this is?
Cristina: A tree?
Jack: No, animal. Think animal.
Cristina: Some type of bug is really. All right.
Jack: You would think a bug.
Cristina: Yeah. I think it's related to a bug, but it's too huge.
Jack: What kind of a bug has fingers?
Cristina: I don't know. Like a stick bug thing that. It's just sticks. I don't know. I don't know. There's no animal that looks like that. Not even its hands? No.
Jack: Yes. There's a ton of them. There's an entire category that is so astoundingly large that it conquers an entire section of all life. We've ever considered lizards. Them, too, but not that way.
Cristina: Not.
Jack: No, not three. Birds. Birds.
Cristina: Birds. Bird hands. They're so thin.
Jack: Yeah. It looks like chicken hands.
Cristina: Chicken hands. Chicken hands. I don't.
Jack: Not chicken hands. We know bird hands. Just really.
Cristina: The red eyes make no sense. It has to be some. This is not Mothman. This is not Mothman. Someone just saw Mothman for real.
Jack: This is some kind of a robot, right?
Cristina: It's Mothman.
Jack: Why do you think it's Mothman?
Cristina: The eyes. Like, if you saw that night, you would think it's Mothman. There's no way. There's no way you wouldn't think this is Mothman. The giant size and the eyes. There's no way you'd think it's anything else.
Jack: It is a completely logical conclusion to make 100%. The cleanest, most logical approach would be. This has to be Mothman, right?
Cristina: Yes. I don't know what else it could be.
Jack: I thought exactly the Same thing. And it's not.
Cristina: It's not. But it's something.
Jack: It's a thing.
Cristina: It's a thing.
Jack: Allow me to walk you through.
Cristina: Is it an alien?
Jack: I guess that's for us to figure out.
Cristina: And this is somehow related to Clinton Road?
Jack: Well, it's related to everything. I wouldn't say Clinton Road in particular.
Cristina: Oh, okay. Okay.
Jack: It's bigger picture.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So the year is 1952. It's September 12th. Autumn. I guess autumn hasn't even started. When does autumn begin? It begins September 20th.
Cristina: 21St.
Jack: 21St. Oh, it's not autumn. Yeah, it's still this. The end of summer, the tail.
Cristina: It's feeling like fall.
Jack: Yeah, not really, because even the beginning of autumn still feels kind of hot. It's just really. Ultimately, the seasons break down into like. Like maybe six months of summer and six months of winter. With about three months. No, not even. Because that would be too many months.
Cristina: That would be what, six plus? Six plus.
Jack: No, it would be. What would it be? It would be 1, 2, 3, 4 months of each and then 2 months of each. Yeah, I guess that's how it would break down. It really feels so short.
Cristina: Yes, it works. Four. Four.
Jack: Yeah, four. Four, two, two. Okay, I have to move them over. I was just making randomness. I have to visualize the numbers moving over.
Cristina: Yeah, that makes sense. But like, the summer morning is still really cold. It's getting cold.
Jack: I like. Yeah, I like that feeling. The end of summer and the beginning of summer when the cold is in the morning and the heat is in the afternoon. But not excessive heat and not excessive cold. Just this kind of great intermediate area. I like that. That's the best. But also I like when it's always that consistently in spring, I guess.
Cristina: Yeah, that's the best autumn.
Jack: Autumn has a little bit colder going on. Spring has a little bit hotter going on with both of them. Perfect. Anyways, unrelated. Unrelated.
Cristina: How do we know it's not related?
Jack: I mean, it could totally be related. And so, I mean, literally, maybe it could be related because we know that the portals at different locations require the equin knocks to happen. And we don't know if heat is why or it's the alignment or it's the what is it? The hottest point of the day is the longest day. What. What do you. What factor are you looking for? So at the end of the day, like, come on. Our meters are fire, bro. We can connect any random two dots. We're skilled at this game. By now. Everything's gonna make sense. It checks Out. Yeah, could do that about any topic. Challenge us.
Cristina: Yes. Okay, tell me about this thing.
Jack: Yeah, challenge us. Look straight up if you're listening. Challenge us. Give us something. I promise it's. It fits in. I promise it's related, if it's weird or government related or anything. Give us anything. I promise you if it's weird, it's related. Or we'll make it. But 1952, September 12th, we're in Fleetwoods, which is in Braxton County, West Virginia.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: 1950S is kind of booming. You know, ladies got that weird puffy hair, that kind of curves at the end. And they got those skirts that just end perfect at their ankle and they got white socks on and that shoe.
Cristina: Is that what that thing is trying to do, is trying to look like.
Jack: One of those ladies?
Cristina: Oh, now we gotta find picture of these ladies you're talking about and compare.
Jack: That's kind of cool. That checks out a little.
Cristina: But it's too huge. Like, even if it was trying to attempt something like you're as tall as. You're as tall as the tree. What are you talking about?
Jack: Do you see how easy it is to think this thing is the Mothman, bro? How weird that it is trying to imitate people? Because that's just trying to imitate people, right? And what's the reports of the Mothman? He shows up tragedies and whatever. You know, he does this weird thing where he's kind of like reflecting people. Weird. Why? Why are you imitating people? How the is this not it? Unless this is something like it.
Cristina: Is it really? No, don't tell me yet. Just tell me what these ladies look like in that time.
Jack: Exactly what I described. And so I even lost my train of thought. So 1950s. Oh yeah, everything's booming. Ladies are looking nice, their hair is looking ridiculous, and they got. They all got little apron on top of their head. For whatever reason, TV shows it like that. Yeah, I'm sure it wasn't even happening in reality. That was just the. The, you know, the traditional woman was doing that. The common woman wasn't. And that's why the traditional woman was looking down on the common woman. Because you don't have an apron over your head, you w****. Okay, you know, so the. So that's why in. In images they had the apron. It was all lady like, I bet. Don't look it up. It's probably true.
Cristina: Doesn't sound right.
Jack: How would you. Okay, solve it. Let's solve it right here, right now. How. Why was the air apron, their hairstyle.
Cristina: Was so perfect that they didn't want to mess it up.
Jack: Oh, s***. That could totally be it too. Mad hairspray. But then you're not even showing it off. So they would only wear going to.
Cristina: Somewhere you need to cover it. And then when you're there, you take.
Jack: It out and it's just a tiny little thing you could put in your pockets.
Cristina: Yeah, yeah.
Jack: And your skirts were so fluffy. They probably had pockets before big pocket got to you. And try big. What is it? Big purse. No.
Cristina: They will tie it around their neck maybe.
Jack: Oh. Oh, man. You piece this all together because they do have some. That looks kind of like a scarf or some s***. No, it's not. It's not.
Cristina: It's not.
Jack: It's too thin. What they know. So they probably put it in their giant skirt pocket. Big purse hasn't destroyed pockets yet.
Cristina: You don't know. I don't know. When was that?
Jack: Around in the 1950s. You think there were purses, like, super popular. I bet.
Cristina: I bet when they came out with purses, it became super popular, like immediately. Yes. I think that was a hot thing, purses. Yeah.
Jack: And then they were like, f*** pockets. We could have so many more clothing option if we don't have to consider pockets. And. Oh, is this a typical. We're playing with fire, not thinking about the repercussions. And so we. We're not envisioning a future without pockets.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: We're just envisioning, oh, why can't we have both?
Cristina: Why can't we have both pockets?
Jack: We've gone too far. Science has taken us away from pockets.
Cristina: Bring it back. Bring back the pockets.
Jack: Science is taking us away from pockets. Pockets are inefficient. Or for whatever reason science deemed women with pockets is useless. Women with pockets is useless.
Cristina: According to survival, have pockets. And then they still need to carry things. So then they have that little purse on the waist.
Jack: A man purse. Yes.
Cristina: No. Yeah.
Jack: Like, no. Yeah. What do you. F**** pack.
Cristina: F**** pack. That's the man purse. And like, you see, they have pockets and it's not enough.
Jack: So how much crap are they walking around with that they need all that.
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: F**** packs, ultimately, or let's really be realistic. When you gotta carry your medicine around. You're an older man.
Cristina: I guess so. Well, you're an older person. Yes.
Jack: And when you're classy older, dude, you carry a briefcase with your meds in them.
Cristina: That makes no sense. That's mad work. Why not just get a f**** pack?
Jack: No. If you're in A suit all day.
Cristina: Get a lunchbox.
Jack: Yeah, no, some kind of small. It could look like you have a work bag. You know, a little work.
Cristina: Yes, but I have a briefcase just for medicine.
Jack: Not a little briefcase. You know, like a small work case. Suitcase, whatever.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Yeah, it looks like something you'd put a laptop in.
Cristina: All right.
Jack: And you carry that around. But really, it just goes neat with your suit. You probably have a couple of different ones that match your suit. Because you're classy, dude. You work. You're working man at the top of your super tower.
Cristina: Okay. You take mad meds because you're old.
Jack: Just. Oh, it's one of the unfortunate old people who just hear mad medication because they just eat whatever the doctors say instead of working out. Anyways, all of this somehow has to do with the 1950s.
Cristina: What does this lady have to do? Or this thing. What is this thing?
Jack: Well, it's 1950s, where this thing kind of looks like this lady we were describing for whatever reason.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But anyways, 1950s women are booming. Or people at 50s are booming, whatever. The boom in 50s. I know that's wrong, but close enough. And it's exactly 7:15pm According to Sword from people.
Cristina: So this is multiple people reporting.
Jack: Yeah, it's about to get weird, bro. Okay, so let's begin. The sighting begins with brothers Edward and Fred May and their friend Tommy. Hire report seeing an exceptionally bright, exceptionally fast moving object across the sky. They thought a meteor. Who?
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Yeah. And they claim it hit a neighbor's farm belonging to G. Bailey Fisher. Neighbor. So we got Edward and we got Fred and we got Tommy. And together they see a thing go across the sky. They're like, oh, s***, skyrockes on.
Cristina: Okay, so are they gonna go onto the farm to investigate it?
Jack: Yeah, they're gonna go do that. But as they're going onto the farm to investigate it, they see that it didn't really hit. It kind of slowed down as they followed it.
Cristina: Weird.
Jack: Yeah. So they run back all three. Keep in mind, we already got three eyewitnesses. Nobody is dead. Nobody died. These are eyewitnesses that lived and all told exactly the same story. Now they get back.
Cristina: Back to where?
Jack: Home. Oh, and they run to actually a neighbor's house. Kathleen May, unrelated. Where they explained what had happened. He was like, what had happened was. And then she immediately didn't believe him because she said what had happened. But anyways, as he said what had happened was, we saw this weird thing go across the sky. And then it was. As we followed it to Go see the crash. It was kind of like moving. We were close to the hill. We started running because we wanted to see it go, hit the thing. And it just stopped moving kind of slowly. And we freaked out because we don't know how to explain that. And here we are telling you about it.
Cristina: That's kind of lame.
Jack: Yeah. And she was like, well, that's kind of weird. I mean, all three of you saw it and they were like, yeah, it was kind of like they're slowing down.
Cristina: So I don't get it. Why wouldn't they just. It's like an incomplete story. Why would they do that?
Jack: I know.
Cristina: You see something weird and you don't finish through what you're seeing.
Jack: Well, most horror horrifying stories end with the people who went to investigate dying.
Cristina: That's why. Then they should have said, okay, one of us has to stay while the other two run or something. Like make some weird bet with your friends to get one of you to stay at the spot.
Jack: It has to happen this way. One of you needs to keep looking at it. The other one. The other two, one is gonna keep their eye on you, who's on top of the hill.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And the others get. Yeah, the other is gonna stand in front of him. So he's gonna see two people, one looking at him and one at the hill.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Also looking at him.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: He's going to be looking only towards them while the guy looking at him directly in front of him is going to be guiding him, looking where they're walking.
Cristina: Okay. But the farthest guy also has to try to get someone to I guess share the news or.
Jack: Yes, they're gonna keep looking at him to make sure he doesn't just vanish or something. Because if he just. Something attacked them, they can say that happened, but eventually they gotta like turn away or something.
Cristina: Yeah. That's why the third guy is not. Doesn't have to pay too much attention because he's trying to wave at somebody or.
Jack: Yeah, they're just already in the neighborhood.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It's just a matter of don't lose sight of him ever. Don't lose sight of him ever. The problem is they don't have hella history of. Of sci fi movies to build on logic. You know, if they just had a bunch of media of sci fi media.
Cristina: So you're saying there's no sci fi media in the 50s.
Jack: Not. Not the way they would need to handle this. Oh, they need some particular apathy. We're being bred now to have. Think about the apathy we're slowly building towards everything. It's because something big is coming, and they need us to not freak the f*** out. It's either the coming of Jesus is actually about to happen and most of us are f***** up, or there's some kind of crazy force headed our direction, and the strong are about to survive, and they're trying to make us all the strong. And they know most of us aren't gonna be it. But, you know, prepare as many as you can, okay? And that's. We're getting slowly watered down to just be like, hey, here's a bunch of alien stuff. It's probably alien guys. And everybody was like, cobra.
Cristina: Cool. Sorry.
Jack: Cool. Mission accomplished. You're doing it. They're doing it. But this lady is like, that's kind of weird. So I can't really do much.
Cristina: Or else you guys investigate unless we get.
Jack: Unless we really see what happened. I can't. Like, we can't run to the cops or something. That's crazy.
Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty crazy.
Jack: We got to really go. Look, man, somebody's going to run all the way to the cops and get the cop to come all the way over here.
Cristina: I mean, that is what you do, though.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: You tell the cops.
Jack: Is there even something there? Did something weird happen?
Cristina: I don't know if you truly believe that. I think you'd still call the cops.
Jack: Yes. Luckily, Kathleen is a connected woman, okay? Presumably for reasons we don't have to discuss. As a grown woman, she could do what she wants. I don't know why she's got men who could do her favors at the blink of an eye. But she asks her friend who happens to be a National guard, Eugene Lemonade.
Cristina: 11.
Jack: Yeah, okay. And she. The ridiculous name. I can't even believe this is how the story unfolded. Once I saw this, I'm like, how the. Is this not just a stupid, creepy pasta or something?
Cristina: It's not.
Jack: It's not. I'm like, man, there's real news articles about this thing.
Cristina: Okay, so tell me about Lemon. Mr. Lemon, he investigates.
Jack: So he. He's like, going up there, but everybody's like, we're gonna go check, too, you know, now we got a National Guard. We're good.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: We're good. He's got a gun. We're fine. Yeah, so she's going up there. I don't know why she's. I mean, bro, I'm telling you, there's something on about this lady and that guy.
Cristina: Okay?
Jack: Right? Like, come on. She's like, bro, you want to do me a favor and come check this out. And then she's going to check it out with him. Bro. Kathleen. What have you been up to? Kathleen. But I don't know if she was married. Nothing says she was married again. She's a single woman. As far as I know. She could do what she wants.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: They couldn't investigate. So Edward and Fred May join unrelated Kathleen May in order to go to Bailey Fisher's farm.
Cristina: There's just two unrelated MAEs. Not even by cutting.
Jack: I mean we're talking the 50s, bro. We gotta populate somehow. Anyway, so. And they're accompanied by some. The neighborhood kids too. Nunley, Ronnie and you know. Yeah, just a group of kids.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: A group of kids. Tell me this isn't like the setup, the stranger Things. Well, I guess a bunch of kids, some cop like figure and the lady all going to investigate the thing. Except they're from a city.
Cristina: Yeah. Oh, they're in the city.
Jack: No, this is in the middle of f****** nowhere.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Well, you just saw this s***.
Cristina: Something many things actually inspired by a lot of crap. Yeah.
Jack: This happened in the time. It's totally be pulling from this for sure. For sure. Okay. So they run, we get there. They arrive to check. Right.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: The group reaches the top of the hill and as they get there where they saw the. The object sort of vanish over initially and slow down when they got closer, they. It's dark now by the way. Obviously now it's getting dark. It happened already towards. I guess. Yeah. It was 7:15, which I began with at 7:15.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: All of this happened. They ran. They saw a thing in the sky. They ran times ticking. Clocks of ticking. It was still daylight. Ish.
Cristina: Somebody to come join them.
Jack: So now. Yeah, they get all this. By the time they're getting here, it's like 8, 8 20. And now it's getting dark. So they're arriving there and it's just kind of, you know that very period of. Right. When it became night. When this is darkest point of the night because it's darker than any part of the night. What do they call that? Dusk. Right. The darkest point when it's just pure blackness for a moment. And it was that point of night when they make it to the top of the hill because you know, Chance the universe decided to write their scenario like this. It's half of it sounds like bullshit. They were just too many reports. These people started painting pictures at some point. But they f****** summarize to be like this. It's crazy. Anyways. So they get There. And the first thing that they see. Keep in mind, all eyewitnesses agreed to exactly the same descriptors for what happened that night. That's what makes this trippy. Hella different people moved into isolation and questioned by several different agencies because of the astronomically weird circumstance. All had the same story to incredible detail as decided by government agencies. Interesting. Let us continue. Okay, now, when they get to the top of the hill, all of them notice something really weird. A red glow, faint, sort of like an amorphous blob.
Cristina: Okay. And they think it's the thing that hit the ground or something.
Jack: They have no idea what this has to do with anything.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: They have no idea what this has to do with anything. This isn't even where the thing landed. They got to the top of the hill and they saw this thing standing in front of the farm's fence, unrelated to the landing site of whatever that thing was, which they thought was a meteor until this very moment where now they're questioning everything they've ever seen. Because how the h*** do you just have a glowing red aura thing?
Cristina: This is the thing that we see in the picture that they're looking at now. Or.
Jack: No, this is what they claimed. Ultimately the summary of all their descriptions. What? Yeah, this is basically what they saw. So they see this glowing thing and Eugene, the National Guard guy, who's got the flashlight, so he's cool, he's got a flashlight and a gun, is basically Leon Kennedy at this point. And he, he's Hopper, you know, he goes and he flashes the light at the red aura. And when he does the one thing he sees, because nothing else comes back, like blackness, blackness, nothing there. The only thing that makes it through the dark is the red eyes. The aura disappears and we just see red eyes.
Cristina: I guess that, but okay, right now.
Jack: That was disturbing to everybody. So everybody. Oh my God. Yeah, everybody saw the same thing. And they were like, you know, freaked out for a second. Holy. What the f***? Right now descriptions, as soon as he panicked and moved, the light being moved allowed the silhouette of the thing to come into view.
Cristina: Does it look like its head is on fire? Like what's happening?
Jack: So their descriptions go as, follow, standing in front of the fence. Now also, also, I guess we have to describe exactly what happened before I give you the description. They walk to the top of the hill, they see it shine, the thing, the eyes become clear. And when he shifted and got scared, the light came off, revealing the things body. And almost like if it wasn't looking at him, suddenly the Eyes disappear and then they come from the side again. Like his head was somewhere else the whole time and turn to look at him. Trippy. I'll repeat how confusing that is. It was looking. It's like if I'm looking at you right now, my eyes. My whole face is looking forward. And then somehow this image of me looking like this fuzzes up and you.
Cristina: Can'T tell that I'm. That you're looking at me, that I'm.
Jack: Looking at the side. And then I'm suddenly just coming around and looking at you.
Cristina: Oh, weird.
Jack: Yeah. So it looks like I'm looking at you right now. And then my head phases out almost. You can't even tell. It just looks like I get blurry. And then you only notice that it's not me looking at you when I'm starting to turn to look at you.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: That happened. And everybody saw it.
Cristina: Weird.
Jack: Weird. That was confusing. I don't even know how else to point that. I've never heard that description ever. Weird. But they all had that same kind of like, what the f***? We thought it was looking our way and then as a sudden, now it's looking our way and.
Cristina: But it looked. The face looked the same both ways.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Of. It's not looking.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: And looking or whatever.
Jack: Strange.
Cristina: Very strange.
Jack: It's an owl, bro. Again, perfect thought.
Cristina: But how tall is it?
Jack: There we go. It was about 10ft tall.
Cristina: That's ridiculous.
Jack: That's ridiculous. That is where they initially got startled. The height of those eyes. Well, had them shook, like, oh, f***. What the h*** is that? And then the thing looking their way.
Cristina: And then what just disappears like. Well, where they freak out and run away.
Jack: Well, they say it looked like some sort of shadowy figure, silhouette of some sort. It appeared to have the glowing visible aura outlining it. That was red. A red aura outlining it faintly. The large glowing crimson eyes. And it seemed to have a tail. They all thought they saw some sort of a tail or something.
Cristina: Any type of description on the tail?
Jack: No, they were. They just claimed tail. I actually wanted to know what kind of like, was it fuzzy or was it this?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: The closest thing to a descriptor felt like thin. But it was like the. No, no hair details, no nothing. They were unclear on the size and everything. They were just like. They think it had a tail.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Its shape seemed to be vaguely triangular too. They seem to be point here towards the top and wider towards the bottom, which fits your description of having a skirt. Now here's an interesting thing in describing that triangular Shape. A couple of people said something that I found interesting and fits instantly, which is that it looks like it has a robe.
Cristina: It has a robe pointier towards the top.
Jack: Like a cloak type thing that's on.
Cristina: Top of the head looks or the image, not that that's the actual description. It doesn't look like the thing on its head is actually there. Like that's part of the glow, the aura of this thing.
Jack: Fascinating. Yeah. I think everybody agrees with you. I don't think that the fuzz that's around it is it by any means. It's part of it. I think its head does have some sort of a small hood on it.
Cristina: It has a small hood?
Jack: No. I would say that underneath the dark, its outfit would claim that there's a hood because it looks like the rest of it is a robe.
Cristina: And what's happening to its ribs, though? They describe that better.
Jack: Well, let's look at this again, because I'm thinking you're claiming this outside, this is what you're talking about, right?
Cristina: Yeah, yeah.
Jack: I don't think that's part of it. I think this outfit that it has looks like some sort of a robe. And maybe this is an exaggeration. And in fact, more like the chair, what it had was some sort of a belt wrapped around it, which is typical of, you know, monks and of, you know, Jesus, like people and of Hermes and things like that, that they get robed up and they tie at the waist.
Cristina: Well, what about the ribs?
Jack: Well, this is what I'm saying. I'm saying that. Yes. I'm saying there's. If anything, if we were to say that this is to look like something familiar. Oh, that would be the belt.
Cristina: Okay. You know, he's in their description, though. They don't say anything about that.
Jack: They don't focus on it.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It's just a focus point. Not a focus point. It's a point in the outfit that it has or its body shape that was vaguely highlighted but isn't focused on like the rest. So it's, you know, debatable whether it was part of it or not.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Because keep in mind, we have a lot of witnesses. So no variations are included in here, only similarities. Although the images show details from variations. As you saw, the chair has a belt and the creature over here has, like, rails or something.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But as you're looking, they panic. Tall, giant turns at them after it was looking at them. Weird moment. It's huge, 10ft tall. Looks kind of like it has a skirt or like it has A robe. It has a glowing aura around it and they all notice the same glowing eyes. And another weird detail.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Its weird claw like hands. And its weird claw like hands were like in front of him. He was reaching out for something weird.
Cristina: That is weird.
Jack: Yeah, but it wasn't reaching out towards them, only its head was.
Cristina: When it turned its head was doing what?
Jack: Its head looked at them. Its body.
Cristina: Oh, weird. Okay.
Jack: Very strange. Its behaviors were odd. Now, when Eugene tried to get closer. This is a key detail right here. It vanished into thin air as Eugene described it. Like a cloud. He became less there the closer we got. Weird and familiar.
Cristina: Like from what?
Jack: So much of the crap in Clinton Road.
Cristina: How close was he to it when they first saw it?
Jack: Do you know how close was he to what?
Cristina: The thing. Oh, because he wasn't close to it at all. When he got closer, it disappeared.
Jack: Yes. So the top of the hill to the front was about 100ft apart to the front of the fence where this thing was.
Cristina: Yes. But he got closer then as he.
Jack: Got closer, how close was he by the time it disappeared? Yeah, I have an idea.
Cristina: Oh, okay. So he just got closer and it disappeared.
Jack: Yeah, it was. The distance was anywhere between 150. Between 50 and 100ft.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And as it got close, as they got closer, it just sort of wasn't there anymore.
Cristina: But they don't think of him or this thing as the Mothman.
Jack: They don't think of it as a Mothman.
Cristina: Okay. Because like the whole. It was flying in the sky beforehand. And then I don't know, there's a lot of weird stuff. That's. Okay.
Jack: Mothman adjacent.
Cristina: Yeah. Well, do they think it is.
Jack: So I don't know. They don't have. They just call it literally Braxton county monster.
Cristina: Okay. Okay.
Jack: And they have no idea what it is. But this thing has very gin like characteristics minus some things here or there. And it's a particularly huge creature. I don't think we've seen gin this size at all. Jin tend to be more human. Like maybe the size of Elysians, which are just taller.
Cristina: Yeah, it's size made me think like it was some type of like Indian God type thing. Like those things are huge, aren't they?
Jack: Or they're description Greek gods or some s***, Right? Yeah, one of those tall Adonis kind of guys, you know. But no, that's kind of weird, the fact that everybody saw all of this. Now the next day, Lee Stewart Jr. Of the Braxton Democrats, which is a news reporter, that's the name of the paper that he works for. Whatever went to investigate and he discovered skid marks on the property of something actually making impact.
Cristina: Okay, weird. That's weird.
Jack: Very strange.
Cristina: You got pictures of that?
Jack: No.
Cristina: Okay, that's curious.
Jack: And after further investigating with some special friends of his, he came up and found there was a gummy clay like substance that was located where the skid marks were. Some weird residue.
Cristina: What did he do with that residue?
Jack: Nothing. He looked at it and was like residue? Yeah, I'm sure they collected it. What were they gonna do with it?
Cristina: I don't know. Take it to the lab, See if it's human?
Jack: Yeah, probably. They did all that, See if it's.
Cristina: Human or it's alien? I don't know.
Jack: Yeah, I guess if it's alien or. I was guessing, like, what kind of metal it was or something. But.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Yeah, I guess. Yeah, I guess he wouldn't think. I'm still thinking, like, it's a ship or something. It could be because, like, it landed and this thing came out of it.
Cristina: Oh, well, wouldn't they have seen the thing that landed?
Jack: Yeah, they saw it literally stop and hover.
Cristina: Well, was it that. That they were looking at? Because they never. This said, really a description of the.
Jack: Thing, that's another problem. It flew by quick. It was just a giant bright light in the sky moving that thing, though.
Cristina: That thing is so big. It might have been that thing, like with its head pointy, like it looks like a rocket. It looks like.
Jack: But then what was this cloud? You think when this thing flies, it leaves a trail of fire.
Cristina: It's glowing. It has a glowing aura.
Jack: But the glowing aura they see, you know what it's kind of making. Maybe when it's flying, it's bigger and more luminescent.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Interesting, Interesting. I'm over here thinking, no, those are two unrelated things.
Cristina: It could totally be the same thing.
Jack: It could totally be the same thing, but also it could totally be two unrelated thing. Or not unrelated, but, you know, it could be that this thing came in.
Cristina: A thing, but they found nothing.
Jack: They saw nothing. They got close, it disappeared. They investigated the back of the farm.
Cristina: They didn't see nothing fly away.
Jack: They saw nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. It just wasn't there.
Cristina: That's weird. It's weird that they would say, see it come, but not see it go.
Jack: Yes, there's a lot of weird.
Cristina: It's a lot of weird. Yeah. I don't know. I don't buy their story.
Jack: Weird, right?
Cristina: Yeah, it's too weird.
Jack: Strange story now because of the news reports this kind of got picked up heavily and it got a couple of agencies worried about maybe there is something going on.
Cristina: But did anyone unrelated to this specific group of people see it?
Jack: No.
Cristina: No.
Jack: But this group of people was made up of random people to begin with.
Cristina: But they were still a group of people.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: Made of random. Anybody who witnessed it would have been a group of people at that point.
Cristina: Whatever. I would like to hear about a person who was not in the group that saw it.
Jack: Oh, no. I don't know. It was just like.
Cristina: Maybe the guy that owns the farm was looking in his backyard and he saw it or something. Where's that guy?
Jack: I don't even know. That's an interesting question. I don't know where the guy is, but, yeah, they were going to the backyard. They saw nothing. I don't know. It was just weird.
Cristina: And it left. So, like, it didn't leave or it.
Jack: Didn'T leave, so it just wasn't there suddenly as they got closer, which doesn't.
Cristina: Make sense because it got there.
Jack: Like, we don't know it got there. We don't know if these two things are related. Again, because we see something vanish the way it did. It didn't need to arrive the way something did.
Cristina: Yeah. Two unrelated things happened. You're saying two very strange unrelated things happened? I don't know. It's even harder to imagine that these.
Jack: Two things are unrelated until you remember what we've been looking at. Locations that have many weird things happening.
Cristina: Are you saying this location has more than just these two things happening?
Jack: Well, I'm saying that we've found the thing in which there are other things happening.
Cristina: No, I don't buy. Unless there's many things. Is there many more stories of this location or is these two the same? This one story that has two things in it? The story.
Jack: This is the story. Yeah.
Cristina: Okay. I don't know if. I don't think it's really. I don't know. It seems pretty random.
Jack: Yeah. I don't know. What the thing in the sky. I don't think the thing in the sky and this other thing have anything to do with each other.
Cristina: How could they not?
Jack: They're two weird things. I don't know what to tell you, man. It disappeared in a way we know with and is familiar. But something arrived in a way we do not know and is not familiar. Unless some. Unless it was just happened to be that a fight between a freaking Elysian and a Shadow Realm creature took place there, and we Saw the Elysian arrive to the fight, and we saw the Djinn leaving it. We know who the victor was, but, you know, like, that's the only real scenario in which, like. I don't know. I don't know what to tell you, but we were clearly looking at some Shadow realm creature, and something else showed up. Maybe it was actually a meteor. That seems very likely.
Cristina: But it was slowing down, so it does not sound.
Jack: No, you're right. It's slowing down is kind of weird.
Cristina: And it was also glowing.
Jack: It was also. Well, it looked like it was on fire.
Cristina: It was. Whatever.
Jack: It was bright. It was blindingly bright.
Cristina: If you saw this thing with the aura in the sky, it probably looks.
Jack: Like it was not blindingly bright. The aura was faint. It was faintly outlined while the thing in the sky was lighting up. The sky made it look like.
Cristina: They don't have any guesses of what the two things are.
Jack: The thing in the sky was seen.
Cristina: By everybody, by the way, in the town.
Jack: Yes. Multiple people saw the light in the sky move across the sky.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: The rest of the story now. But people did see that. And the logical conclusion is, I was probably just a meteor.
Cristina: But the. What they saw was in a meteor.
Jack: Exactly. Because the kids that followed it have a completely. A more complete story of events.
Cristina: Yeah. I mean, we don't know if the two things are the same, though. But we know the first thing is a meteor because it was just being weird. It was just hovering or slowing down or something.
Jack: It was being very strange.
Cristina: Do they know how big it looked, though? How big it looked when it was in the sky?
Jack: I don't know. How do you. How do you even know how close it was?
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: You know, it's tricky. You see the problem, though, right? How do we have these two very unrelated events happening simultaneously? They must somehow be related, but not in the way. Not in an obvious sense.
Cristina: They obviously don't have any answers. Okay.
Jack: They obviously don't have any answers in.
Cristina: The investigation whether they discover anything else.
Jack: No, they interrogated the people. They found out that the stories lined up up until the points I've discussed. Those are the things that they all had in common, minus the details that didn't, which you've seen some of them in the images, and there was some of the movement behaviors that they would describe. But other than that, like, useless details, I've thrown away.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: They didn't know what else. They really got attention. People came in, like, really, like, what the f*** is wrong? These people are making it up and they checked children to make sure. No, it's checked out.
Cristina: Okay. And that chair, who did that? Just a fan.
Jack: Yeah. So based on the descriptions, many, many, many, many iterations of this have been made. And the description of this has actually always been with NASA as a thing to look for. And I didn't know that. They have a list of random things that can't be explained, that in many instances have many witnesses that they look for in sky.
Cristina: Weird. Yeah, but what are they supposed to look for?
Jack: No, just random bright things. Something moving quickly close by that's just bright things like that.
Cristina: Just, you know, interesting.
Jack: So this is something to casually look for.
Cristina: Yeah. We don't know what this is.
Jack: We don't know what this is. Now, obviously, Mothman. You said it a thousand times. Yes, Mothman. Mothman, Mothman. And the Mothman is a definite possibility for what this could be. But I would argue it's something to be more kind of like Mothman if. How do I put it?
Cristina: If something bad happened afterwards.
Jack: No, the idea would be that Mothman is a type of thing. Actually, Mothman is related to somehow to Banshee, right?
Cristina: Oh, yeah, right.
Jack: But Banshee's always been described as a female.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Boom.
Cristina: So this could be a banshee.
Jack: Male banshee. Well, actually, searching this up, putting these descriptors plugging in everything these people talked about, Banshee is the most consistent thing that came up.
Cristina: Weird. Even though I didn't cry or anything.
Jack: Nope. But the descriptors line up clean. It's behavior, but it isn't. Yeah. The one part is that it's not showing up for omens.
Cristina: No one died recently.
Jack: No one died.
Cristina: Not even on the farm animals.
Jack: This was just a really weird indescript moment. Weird, strange, right?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But a banshee is definitely not it. We know what a banshee is, but there is something called a Kali, a kalaiich, a kaleech, something like that. And it's Celtic in origin, or at least where they first cataloged its existence. Recorded it. Right.
Cristina: What is it?
Jack: It's some sort of a creature that is humanoid in appearance and tends to look like an old lady, sometimes like a banshee, and often shows up in the winter, but has in other cases been shown up, has shown themselves during really vicious storms. Wandering outside in the wilderness, when animals are stampeding across like they're losing control, that's when you'll see this thing in between almost not getting touched.
Cristina: But nothing of that is happening. None of that's Happening.
Jack: None of that's happening. No, but interesting thing about this creature I'm talking about. It would seem to show up when fear is happening. Right. Storms, wilderness, when there's creatures that are unsettled. The winter when it's darker and colder. Interesting choices of appearance, huh?
Cristina: For that thing, yes.
Jack: For this random creature. Now where this creature seems to line up the most is the fact that its physical description is very similar, although its movements are not and its size is not. So that part of the description though. But it looks like it's wearing a hood. It looks like it's wearing a robe that opens into some sort of mid sized skirt type of thing. It looks like it has an aura around it. But it happens to be about five feet tall.
Cristina: Okay, that's not tall enough.
Jack: No, but the Mothman would also be in between both of those heights.
Cristina: How tall is the Mothman?
Jack: The Mothman would roughly be about 7ft.
Cristina: He's not tall enough either.
Jack: No, this thing is about 10ft. I'm thinking different heights for the same kinds of things. These things that have a tendency to only manifest and enjoy manifesting, not even breeding their own, but just rolling up when it's about to happen naturally.
Cristina: But this thing, I don't. So you're saying they got scared of the comet thing and then that created the fear that summoned this creature, this thing.
Jack: Now you're getting it. I think the paranoia of what was it? But something was there because it slowed down.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So there was something happening. The kids were confidently just going to go watch it land and hit set or blow up in the sky or something.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And then they were like, what the f***?
Cristina: No, Something weird.
Jack: Yeah, they were just kids. They've probably seen this a thousand times. They're like, oh, it's media, let's go check it out. And then it stopped being a meteor before their eyes. And we're like, no, let's stop checking it out right now.
Cristina: I wish they checked it out. I want to know if it was the creature or are there two things happening? I wanna know why? Why didn't they have something?
Jack: Because people have reason why.
Cristina: Why do they?
Jack: Yeah, but I, you know, I was going down the list of possibilities of.
Cristina: Things that they were besides the Mothman.
Jack: Yeah. It definitely wasn't Jinn. It definitely wasn't a Banshee. The problem is that I do believe it's a Kalaich or whatever the crap that is, and I do believe it's a Mothman. I think it's all of the above. But what would These things be a shadow realm creature. Definitely. A hundred percent. They all fit that description for sure.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But now let's check out the Mothman then. Right, because if you look at the Mothman, he first showed up in 1966. That's mad. Years later. That's 14 years later.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Except it also happened in West Virginia.
Cristina: Really? Really.
Jack: It only happened two hours away.
Cristina: What? So it could be the same thing, but the size difference. Maybe it's baby.
Jack: Now, it's described as large, 7 to 8ft tall, winged, with red eyes, and humanoid in appearance. Now, Mothman is messed up because the Mothman is crazy. Right. He has been seen by over 200 people. There's over 200 real world reports on this same thing.
Cristina: Yes. Which makes him way more believable than this other random thing.
Jack: Except he's the same thing. Yes, but he always showed. Showed up. Always. In every instance, before and after something bad happened. He seems to be the. The closest thing to a Banshee possible. Right. Before and after something. Well, the Banshee only shows up before. The fact that he shows up after is crazy. Also, the fact that he shows up before is crazy. Also, the fact that a Banshee shows up before is crazy. Weird fact that Shadow Wyrm creatures know somehow.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: They can see the future somehow. Or feel it.
Cristina: Maybe they feel it. Maybe they have some sixth sense to.
Jack: Fear hect the future. Yeah, because they know to go, like sometimes months ahead.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Like weird. But again, this Mothman creature does this and he shows up and he's associated with the Silver Bridge collapse, which is the craziest scenario. And many people saw. This is where he was seen by the most people. And then the bridge collapsed and hella people died. Over 200 eyewitnesses. How absurd.
Cristina: And then after that bridge, they stopped seeing him.
Jack: They stopped seeing him after the collapse of the bridge? Well, no, he's been seen on and off. That was just the most massive sighting. Okay, now the idea here would be that whatever this creature is, is a Mothman. But a Mothman doesn't make sense because that creature was described as them by female. They are genders to it. A banshee is also female. Now, we're describing these things in isolation, but the behavior seems to be on point. They're very close in similarity, and they're very close in sort of what they do. They show up before. They never seem to be involved in what's happening.
Cristina: No.
Jack: And they seem to kind of enjoy being there mostly beforehand, minus the Mothman, who shows up after it's also the only male version of this we've seen that happens to show up after as well. Although none of them seem to remain during the tragedy that's occurring.
Cristina: Well, what tragedy would have been the one for this one if this was somehow related?
Jack: For what? The.
Cristina: I don't know. It's got the monster.
Jack: The monster. You know what's interesting? I only thought about this connection right now, but the logical conclusion would have been to see if a tragedy happened in the area.
Cristina: Mm. You know, you did not do that, though, did you?
Jack: I did not, but we have the power of research.
Cristina: Okay, okay.
Jack: Maybe it's totally related.
Cristina: They all died.
Jack: They didn't all die. Had nothing to do with them. But about 40 minutes away, there was a. The local hospital that people use from that area, which. God, bro, how far? 40 minutes away to the. You at least have a clinic or some, right? Well, that's crazy. You at least have a clinic or something, bro. That's crazy. I've never heard of some like that Anyways. D***, bro. D***. How many? I guess one hospital would be enough if there's nobody between here and West Bubba, right?
Cristina: Yeah, yeah.
Jack: Like, one hospital is probably still empty.
Cristina: So what happened though, anyways?
Jack: Yeah, at that hospital. Fire kills 17 people in the hospital.
Cristina: In the same day?
Jack: Or just this happened around the same time following month.
Cristina: Okay, okay.
Jack: So, yeah, maybe, I don't know, just random other events. Random thing goes through the sky, random unrelated things shows up, and then a random other thing.
Cristina: Mothman.
Jack: Why Mothman? Specifically, the Mothman is a type of thing.
Cristina: The eyes, I think, is what makes it feel Mothman.
Jack: Right, but what is the Mothman? There's no such thing as a Mothman. A moth is just an Earth side creature.
Cristina: Whatever this is. I don't know.
Jack: Yeah, it's some. It should have a name.
Cristina: That's the name we gave it.
Jack: No, that's a name for a thing that's unrelated to the other two things that are in isolation, their own things.
Cristina: I cannot. Can't just call them all Mossman because they're not. Why? What do we do call them?
Jack: I don't know. We need a name for them. I'm sure we can find a name somewhere, put that they all kind of genuinely fit. But it is some sort of Shadowrum creature.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: It's not an animal like a Win Dingo or wetchudge.
Cristina: It's just a thing that knows when it's about to happen.
Jack: It's. There seem to be several different types of humanoid creatures, and there seem to be different types of humanoid creatures in Elfame as well. In fact, every thing that humans have ever interacted with from that side, other than unicorns, which seem to not even be from that side.
Cristina: Yeah, humanoid.
Jack: Yeah, they're all high intelligence. But I would argue that it looks like the Shadow Realm has the most. Without counting that. Like us versus Shadow Realm. But we also have a bunch of crap that we're just. The problem is we are oppressive as f***.
Cristina: I don't know. We're probably equal to the. Well, we are in the Shadow Realm where it's shadow. Where is the Shadow Realm? Shadow. So I don't know.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Look like them. They don't look like us.
Jack: We look like them. They don't. I mean. Yeah, they've been around longer, right?
Cristina: Yeah, he made us out of that.
Jack: Yeah. No, it seems that there is some now. Okay. There's originally a creature called a strix that was first written about in Greek mythology. And they described it as a bird of ill omen, often depicted as an owl or a bat like creature.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: The next part is incredibly informative. And it feeds on human flesh and fear. Blood. Oh, interesting.
Cristina: Shadow Realm creature.
Jack: It stopped being one the moment I told you. What I told you.
Cristina: Blood.
Jack: The blood. It is a Shadow Realm creature, but it wasn't always a Shadow Realm creature. I think we have just found what the f*** an owl looks like when it consumes adrenochrome.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And I think all these other. Keep in mind the descriptors line up and they are always giant, like weird, tall standing.
Cristina: But we never catch it feeding though.
Jack: We never catch it feeding. But we do know that owls are particularly vicious hunters.
Cristina: You think if they are bodies, they're just. They're just gone. Whatever the bodies are.
Jack: I don't know. But also like it could. Again, this is just a descriptor that the Greek have, right. Of a creature that lines up. It's a bird that shows up during bad omens. But what happens? We know that different creatures take adrenochrome. Their intelligence rises dramatically. I mean some of them, some of them don't, but. Interesting. So then what would happen with an owl? This. The fact that this thing gets so humanoid, so astoundingly humanoid. But many different bird like things are not different. They're all the same. The size is really the variation here.
Cristina: I think the arms relate to birds and that's why you said before with the arms.
Jack: A lot of people tried to debunk this and a lot of the conclusions. The problem is that One person's explanation would be broken by the other. But collectively you could kind of solve.
Cristina: Here and there, someone said birds.
Jack: Somebody thought maybe there was a bird actually standing there that got caught in trees and had crap hanging off of it. And the hands were actually just holding on to the fence.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: And so what you're seeing, and it's a tall fence, so this, it's a fence to stop animals, horses from leaping over it and s***. So you got this tall a** fence and then you got a bird perch on top of it. And they're saying that now again, warped, obviously. How the h*** is this tiny little bird gonna have these giant arms sticking in front of it? But, you know, as people trying to figure out. Yeah, like, hey, what's the logical conclusion to this? Or whatever. It never got summed up. And that's why real forces came in, interrogated people and like, well, crap, maybe there is something. But the closest I could find to a name is strix.
Cristina: That's cool.
Jack: And a strix is essentially the Greek breaking down what sounds like an owl that had a drink.
Cristina: Yeah, Yeah, I think this makes sense. That could be what we're looking at in the real world.
Jack: Definitely be what we're looking at. And again, how it behaved was very owl, but only the one in the farm. Because maybe the lady leans more towards a banshee.
Cristina: What lady?
Jack: I mean, not the lady. What am I talking about?
Cristina: The Mothman.
Jack: The Mothman. Maybe the Mothman leads more towards a banshee, a male banshee. And the kiliage is more like, why.
Cristina: Do you think the Mothman is the male banshee?
Jack: Its behavior is identical.
Cristina: Yeah, like, why are you making it a male?
Jack: I guess you're making it a Mothman.
Cristina: Yes, exactly. But like, that's a dumb name. That's describing something. But like, is it a man? Can people tell that it's a man? Like, it could definitely just be a female. Yeah, it could just be a banshee.
Jack: The banshee has been described as a female. It's not an animal. Banshee. Yeah, it's a lady. It's a lady. It's always a lady. There's always something off about her. But like, physically there's something that they can't quite like. I would argue those descriptions lean into an imitation that isn't perfect, but you can't tell where it's not perfect.
Cristina: Okay. But for a Mothman, there's no way you can think it might be a lady. It's for sure a man that they're.
Jack: Looking at if the mothman has been described as having broaden shoulders. But that could still be a female. Anyways, this is pretty much all I've got.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: I think the thing that happened at the farm was we were looking at shadow room creatures. A Shadow Realm creature. I have no. I. I think it was a meteor and a shadow room creature. And maybe the owl happened to intersect and you see both happening simultaneously. The fear that they felt or excitement. I don't know. It was excitement.
Cristina: Meteor is too weird to think that that was an actual.
Jack: I know something weird did happen, but I didn't. I looked. I couldn't find anything. It kind of just looks like it was a meteor. Until they're just. Maybe they were met their minds mess with them. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. That there was a tragedy did happen eventually.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: I don't know. It's weird.
Cristina: Maybe the thing made it see things. Made them see things. Maybe they. It was around.
Jack: It's a Pokemon. It's not that. Well, it's using psychic on them.
Cristina: Yes. Yes. And that's why. That explains the head turning. But it's not turning.
Jack: Because that is interesting. It's causing illusions.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It made them see the thing in the sky and follow the thing in the sky. Which brought the curiosity. Oh. Luring them to get. Maybe it was trying to feed.
Cristina: Maybe it was.
Jack: Oh, maybe they just saved themselves by actually getting that National Guard. Making it too bright. And that was like. No. Because the fear left. Light came. Fear left. They were confident suddenly.
Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jack: You know. That they were willing to walk forward onto it. The light made them safe. Which explains why light has always been the. If you can see, it's not the unknown. Right. And sort of like you feel better if you can see.
Cristina: It might be saving these people.
Jack: Light literally saves from the Shadow Realm creatures. I've never thought about how logical that is and why we would call them Shadow Realm creatures then. Because if there's more light, there's less fear. Because you understand your surroundings better.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: There's natural fear when you don't know your surroundings.
Cristina: And that's why all those Clinton stories. Yeah.
Jack: Because you don't know your surroundings. Duh. Night is the most obvious time for anything from the shadow realm to get through. Because fear just kind of goes up the more the unknown comes up.
Cristina: Perfect.
Jack: Duh. Oh man. It was so obvious.
Cristina: Very.
Jack: Hermes always knew. He's like. It's always been in front of you. You just gotta think about it, right, bro?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And we're like, so slow. We're so behind. We try so much. We're so behind. But little by little, every new location, we learn a little something new.
Cristina: I think we did. I don't know what it was, but we learned something.
Jack: We learned that light actually stops problems to some degree.
Cristina: It helps.
Jack: It helps against shadow creatures because it illuminates.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And thus we probably nickname them in return, the shadow creatures.
Cristina: It makes perfect sense.
Jack: Anyways, that's all we have. If you guys have anything to talk about, to tell us, any information you know about anything we discuss, let us know. But also challenge us to relate. Anything. Yes, challenge us. I dare you. And you can do that at our socials, at just Convopod. That's on Tick Tock, on Instagram, on Facebook, on X, everywhere.
Cristina: Remember to subscribe. Right. And review the show.
Jack: Yes. And word of mouth is the most overpowered thing that's ever existed. So be sure to tell people about the show.
Cristina: This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.
Jack: Bye.
Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.in fox art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister. With social media managed by Amber Black.
