Rambling 278: Skinwalker Ranch
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What goes on at the Skinwalker Ranch? What are the stories of this place? Did the indigenous people of the region have anything to say about this place? The duo dive into the extremely active paranormal Skinwalker Ranch. A hotspot for all strange and unexplainable activity. The goal? To link the paranormal activity to high energy circumstances related to hermetic technology.
+Episode Details
- Skinwalker Ranch
- Paranormal Investigations
- Aerospace Research
- Secret Government Programs
- The Sacred Ute Land
- The Cursed Navajo Land
- High Energy Technology
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+Transcript
Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.
Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.
Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas, and we're in a new chapter in life. Finally, we got our way out of that to some degree, right? We.
Cristina: I don't know. I feel like we went back.
Jack: No. You gotta understand that when it comes to the Elysian saga, we've entered the part of the Supernatural series. The show Supernatural. Cw guys, go watch Supernatural. It's really long. Don't watch it so long. You gotta commit to life. Watch it. It's so good, though.
Cristina: It's so good.
Jack: So good. It's like watching a Supernatural soap opera. There's a lot of brotherly drama. Oh, my emotions. Oh, you. You didn't stand by me, brother. Oh, but I'll do anything for you, brother. And like, I'll write or die, regardless of how evil you are. A lot of that going on. But soup. I don't even know what the. My point was.
Cristina: We are doing Supernatural stuff.
Jack: Oh, yeah. We're totally super. Oh, right. And we're in the part of like. So Supernatural goes through this sort of series of AR season one. They're hunting random little monsters to kind of get together with. We're getting familiar with what they do as the bigger story starts to evolve as all shows happen. But eventually enough seasons go by and everything is the big problem. So eventually going back to the first season style episodes, which will just be one episode here and one episode there, where they're just hunting small things is more exciting than the big story sometimes because you get to see what they were always doing.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Except now the world is always ending. And so, like, they can't just go hunt little things.
Cristina: The world is always ending.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: First season started with the world almost ending.
Jack: They didn't know the world was ending.
Cristina: They didn't know that the gates were going to be open or something.
Jack: No, that happened at the end of, like, season four or something.
Cristina: Ah, okay.
Jack: You're talking about. They're just trying to discover the first season. One was just finding their dad. They're like, wait, dad's missing? Where's dad? And then season two was like finding details about their mom and the yellow eyed demon, you know? Oh, no. I was way into it.
Cristina: I'm.
Jack: I'm totally. Anyways, we're in that part. We. The first season. Then there's the middle part, which is a bunch of filler. No, there's a bunch of actual world ending. Everything is world ending.
Cristina: There's no more filler episodes.
Jack: Filler ended. But occasionally in there, we'd have. Which we did. Occasionally. But eventually they're gonna get. They get to a point. Right. We're realistically in the real universe, not in a show's concept. You stop the big problem and you go back to the smaller s***. It's not just immediately another world ending. Like, what the f*** shows need to do that. But on average, you stop a colossal issue, and then you wait a million years, and then some other person has to deal with the next one.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So we're in the real version of that. We're now we're done with the elisions, specifically. As far as we know, it might come up later.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And then we have to jump on this road again. But as for now, Castiel and Crowley are doing their own mission. And later they're gonna be like, we got a tip. And we're gonna be like, oh, no, back to it.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But until then.
Cristina: Until then, we're ghost hunting.
Jack: We're hunting anything. Why ghost hunting?
Cristina: Supernatural hunting. Ghosts are supernatural.
Jack: Alien supernatural.
Cristina: No, that's sci fi.
Jack: Fair enough. So then why are we doing supernatural hunting?
Cristina: Because you said supernatural. You mentioned supernatural, that's all.
Jack: Oh, I said supernatural.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Oh, I mentioned supernatural, the show. Oh, no, I was comparing the format of the show. Okay, yeah, fair enough. Fair enough. I was comparing just the format of the show to what we were doing. That there's a big issue and then a bunch of tiny little things in between. And then in the real world are probably just gonna solve the big issue or get to a dead end and then go do their job again until they get a tip or something. Because they're not just gonna sit. I mean, sure, they waste probably a bit trying to dig deeper and be like, no, there must be here. But eventually, long enough with no results passes. And they're like, sam, you gotta stop being obsessed. We have to move on and do some other thing and hunt the lady who's killing these people, who is not a big monster, but still killing people.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Sam's gotta be like, yeah, you know what? You're right. I can't be obsessed. But then some point of killing the ghost that's killing the people.
Cristina: You get a hint.
Jack: Yeah, it's. Oh, my God. Somehow disconnected. And the revelation happened like, what the. Your life is disconnected to everything. Yeah, of course, that's explained why it's the case or whatever later. But then watch the show you enjoy. Anyways, last week, because of essentially reaching a D, we came to an interesting series of information which connects in idea to what we were talking about, which is essentially the same concept of people running experiments and people trying to get to things. But what we discovered is that there's trackable residue of people trying to get.
Cristina: Into like, the shadow realm.
Jack: Not even just trying to get into the shot. It could be getting into the shadow realm. It could be making stones. Something causes a huge disturbance. Because making a philosopher's stone is essentially to some degree interacting with the shadow realm, then we never thought of it like that. No, but it is what is happening. Right. Because adrenochrome allows people to connect to the shadow realm. Okay, interesting. And a philosopher's stone is just adrenochrome solidified that you do not consume, so it doesn't affect the user, but it's. It's still itself made of adrenochrome. And adrenochrome itself is what connects to the shadow realm. Okay, so, interesting point. A philosopher's stone is in fact a tool to connect to the shadow realm. So it makes sense that disturbances would do so.
Cristina: It has to. It has to. That makes sense.
Jack: It's a fascinating piece of information that I didn't think about before. Anyways, last week we were investigating Sarah Lockwood.
Cristina: Her mysterious house.
Jack: In her mysterious, interesting house that seemed to be the ground zero for some sort of shadow realm investigation or some sort of philosopher's stone creation location. Although in her case, it seems specifically a portal is being built.
Cristina: Yeah, a lot of it doesn't look like she was sacrificing people. There wasn't stories of death.
Jack: No, no, no. But I'm saying that the subjects we're circling relate to because the fact that she's dealing with the shadow realm immediately connects her to the philosopher's stone. Even if she is not interacting with any of it, the philosopher's stone connects to the shadow realm. So we know if we find philosopher's stones or if we find portals, we might find these disturbances that we were talking about last week. Because both of them require so much energy.
Cristina: Yes. What exactly did she do to make a portal?
Jack: Don't know. We just know it was there. It was there and it was very minimalistic.
Cristina: Yes. And it had to do with a lot of math outside of itself.
Jack: Yes. It was a giant alchemic circle.
Cristina: Yeah, like, but I don't know, like, not even alchemic.
Jack: It was a hundred percent A. What do we call it? You know, a little drawn, whatever. I remember the name. Symbol. It's a symbol to channel energy.
Cristina: Okay. What she did with the house.
Jack: With the house. The house itself is the power source. But using no natural world energy. Well, no electrical energy. It's using and harnessing natural world energies, kinetic energy flow, those kinds of things in its design. Fascinating.
Cristina: Crazy.
Jack: And did it in such an intricate gradual way. And it had to be perfect. She refused to let people it up, put their ideas on the thing. No, you have to do it my way. When they didn't, she just kept it in herself. Yes, it was very important. But we believe this was to bring her family, people she loved and herself. Or at least there's two options here. Right. She either made it to come through, but it doesn't seem to be the case because they seem to be the what? A phantom. Right. We're making the distinction between ghosts and phantoms now. Ghost is purely echo. A phantom is like an echo, but it's an echo of a person present in the shadow realm. That's the distinction we're making, Right.
Cristina: Not repeating itself over and over like an echo.
Jack: It's not repeating itself over and over.
Cristina: Like, when people see her, she's doing random things. She's doing this, probably not doing like the barrel man who's just.
Jack: Yes, the barrel man is probably just the guy from the past. But this is what we have to clarify, right? There was definitely a huge energy disturbance that remains there.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And that's the house somehow sustaining the disturbance. And the house is literally just in our interpretation of what we know and what the situation is. She built the house so that it makes sense in the shadow realm.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So that when she goes to the shadow realm and exists there, she has a home to live in and is protected from the horrors of the shadow realm.
Cristina: It's both a gateway, but it's also. It disturbs the time by doing that. I don't know why time somehow warps around.
Jack: Well, the trick here is she was at least familiar enough with the workings of the shadow realm to construct the house for herself on this end. That would be practical over there, instead of waiting to get over there and then constructing it over there. So even if the house itself wasn't a portal, she must have been able to come in and out in order to understand how the shadow realm works. So the house was a portal in to order in the construction of the house. So she must have been going in, understanding, coming back. Okay, if I do this, and I do That I go over there, modify like this, I do this, I do that. Which means another detail. This brings us right back to what I was talking about.
Cristina: What?
Jack: There's only one way she was crossing. If she had a portal and she didn't die first.
Cristina: Adrenal prone.
Jack: Right back. We're right back at the start because how is she sure you made the portal, but it's a one way portal. Unless. What? Unless you f****** had.
Cristina: She probably was feeding off her family. But like a vampire type of way with their fear.
Jack: Yes. You think she already died and brought her? That would make way more sense. Maybe she already had died, came back with adrenochrome and find yourself obligated to start preying on her sisters in order to sustain it. But then on this side starts crafting the home. Because now she's familiar with the other side.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: So it was a. I'm on damage control. And then it assists her. The intention at least would have been to have her family for generations and generations living in the house so she can continue feeding on them.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Luckily it became a tourist attraction.
Cristina: Yeah. Now that's feeding it.
Jack: And it stops her from going crazy that way.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: She built a Santa Claus esque situation that will continue to feed her. So she's the reason her ghost is now her spirit. Her phantom, specifically. Her phantom is the most prominent in the house of the apparitions. There. There's many ghosts that are echoes. There are many spirits that are entities that aren't her. And then there's a phantom that isn't even there but is an echo. Or what keeps her alive is these people. It worked out ultimately, even if it was her family she was trying to prey on. Fascinating.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: There's so many ways to look at this one scenario. But it would. In order for this house to exist, which we didn't discuss last week. In order for a house to exist, it would have required adrenochrome. Because how does she know?
Cristina: How does she know?
Jack: How does she know how it's turning out? How did she know the parts are making sense? She couldn't. She had the sea.
Cristina: Yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay.
Jack: Or. But it doesn't look like it because it looked like it was very gradual. The narrative is very gradual. If she was a necromancer can just step through and didn't need anything, then the house also doesn't matter.
Cristina: She was having help from things. Things from the other side. Because she did have those hooks.
Jack: Yes, yes. You know, again, it's a weird portal like location.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And she had a guest room. Yeah, that was the portal.
Cristina: Yeah. So like, she could have had some help from the other side as well.
Jack: Yeah, she could have.
Cristina: I mean, she's building a house by herself. That's kind of.
Jack: Additionally one of the most prominent things heard there, which we've. I mean, one of the most prominent things seen at that house is in fact, not seen. It's heard. And it's voices.
Cristina: Voices and footsteps.
Jack: Which when. Yes, which when we put it into reference, we know two other groups of people who are hearing voices. And these were important groups of people. We know the rabbi was hearing a voice from the other side with instructions on how to build and construct something. That's exactly what the rabbi was doing.
Cristina: This with the golem.
Jack: With the golem.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And other than the rabbi, the other person who. The Viking who made the Forest of Death. Oh, and they were also getting spoken to, right? Yeah, they were getting spoken to by these creatures from somewhere. Giving them instructions on how to continue to make this place more profound.
Cristina: Yeah. So she was probably talking to something.
Jack: That was explaining to her what to do, what to do. She did say she was trying to please the spirits.
Cristina: Yes, yes. Oh, yes. Yeah. She was into seances.
Jack: Yeah. She called the room seance room.
Cristina: Okay. Yep. Okay. Okay. Yeah. She had to be talking to them.
Jack: And she built the house. Did she build the house for them or did she build the house for her? Because again, she's the most prominent. On the flip side, maybe she was just clever and duped them.
Cristina: And duped.
Jack: Yeah. They're over here thinking, oh, we got her. Meanwhile, the. According to visitors, the person who dominates is most prominent and in control of that facility is Sarah Lockwood. So whoever the these people who were taught in, at the end of the day, she ended up in charge. So the question is, was she always? And that was her goal. So even if she is getting information from the other side, she's smart enough. And this is why this lady is prominent in the background. And this is why so many other things we didn't know.
Cristina: It's a win win. Like she got a bunch benefits, but so did whatever that was helping her out.
Jack: She gets to stay and not lose her mind. After consuming adrenochrome and crossing over, they get the same benefit. Plus to sustain themselves on this side through the house.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So everybody wants. Fair enough. It's mutual gain.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Nobody lost here. Her family gets to stay sane too. The ones who die and have consumed and can cross over, they get to also live there with her Forever.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And by providing this, those creatures are also. But here's a problem again. It comes down to the fact that she seems the one in charge. Fair enough. She built it. Maybe they give it a respect. You. You fulfilled your duties to us. So we're not going to interfere. We're just going to with the humans on that side.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And we're not going to f*** with you. This is your house. We're guests here. You built it. This is. Maybe that's the actual. Again. We know Jin the. Well, not just Jin anything who is thinking on the other side is still just a person. And like we do. We are a******* over here. And like we're species this and a realmist. I guess super realm is. And we're like gin and monsters and creatures. And it's like those are people, man.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Those are just people. There are creatures and monsters. But we got. We got grizzly bears. That's a real just f****** thing over here. I guess we have hippos. That's just real. And we're like oh my God. Wetchudge. You mean like an animal from over there?
Cristina: So pretty scary animal.
Jack: Yeah. Okay. 100. I agree. So was a T. Rex. And that was just some walking around.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: You know, that's just some casual thing. Normal. It was many of it. It wasn't one T. Rex. There were millions of T. Rex. That was just real. If there was one T. Rex. Oh, Godzilla. It's a monster. It's specific. No, it was just casual. So we got to think of it. It. Okay, yeah, it might be super weird, serpentine looking building sized monster. But like if there's a billion over there, like I mean it quote monster. But it's like normal.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: You know.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It is weird. It does. It is horrifying. And I'm sure it's impressionable our first time over there in the shadow realm. Yeah. Because think of the descriptions of some of these things. Colossal, Godly. Something so huge you cannot see it. It's so big you cannot see it in front of you. You're seeing a tiny little fraction of it. What the f*** does that mean?
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: But it's just normal over there. So at some point I'm thinking, right, imagine if you saw something maybe 10 times bigger than the Freedom Tower while standing in front of the Freedom Tower.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: But ten times in every direction. So it's not just up, but like collectively. Now how hard would it be to see this thing?
Cristina: Pretty hard.
Jack: Pretty hard. But you could see it and it's Definitely you can recognize something like that being alive. It's harder, but you can recognize something like that being alive as opposed to the Earth that you're standing on and you can't tell details on if you stand far enough. If you're in Jersey City looking at New York City, well, you can see the creature alive doing its normal day routine over there.
Cristina: It would be easier to see.
Jack: Yeah, you're far enough. Yeah, you'd have to be super far in space to see the Earth doing its same routine, but from Earth. So presumably in the shadow realm, we'd have this kind of angular. Okay, makes sense. It's crazy looking, but. Oh yeah, look at the Titans all the way over there and they're Titan City. Funny, it looks like there are slides, but if we were over there, I couldn't see them. Yeah, casual conversations they probably have. Okay, I think you're totally right. It was mutual benefit.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And yeah, I. Maybe again, they're just people. They could just be giving her the benefit of the doubt and the respect. Like you built us a. You didn't have to. We made a deal across realms. And then you paid your part for what most of your people think are douchebags and like monsters. We respect you for respecting us.
Cristina: Sure.
Jack: Easy, right? So, yeah, I think that was fascinating. And that opened an interesting door again. The fact that we have now come to the conclusion that we have, or. Which is with. With proof. Because looking at the disturbances led us to the discoveries. We now know that there are disturbance residue for the creation of philosopher stones and portals. Because they are bending space, time, or at least whatever quote thing unquote is happening. Whatever. We're bending the creator portal to a different realm.
Cristina: Yes, but that place was a hot spot before she got there. It just got worse.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Yes, yes. So there could have been a stone made there. The stone is long gone.
Jack: That's what I believe is the case. Yes. Which was what we talked about last time. Something crazy happened there and then unknown what, but something happened there and then she came to harness the existing potential.
Cristina: Yes. Yes. Okay.
Jack: So using that information that there are in fact signatures, we came to a pretty basic conclusion. We can either find more portals or more stones, even if they're not perfect people trying. It must exist throughout time because we found it. Other people. There must be more clever people who have found it and weren't good at it and f***** up and left left signatures that we can track. And as investigators, that is our job.
Cristina: That's our goal.
Jack: Okay, so let's Dive into what we're doing. I'm gonna show you some images and I just want you to tell me.
Cristina: What you're looking at. Oh, this game again. Okay.
Jack: Very, very basic. So let's unpack. Tell the listener.
Cristina: We'Re looking. We're out in the sky looking down at. I don't know, it's too far to see if those are buildings. I'm assuming there's some building.
Jack: Yeah, there's buildings.
Cristina: There's a road.
Jack: It's a satellite view.
Cristina: Yeah. Okay. Because there's like circ. There's little dots, like lines across. Are they saying that's in a circle?
Jack: I don't know. Yeah, they're measuring the distance from one end to the other. The lines themselves matter less. It's sort of just telling you the perimeter that we're kind of looking at, really in the imaginary circle that it's forming. What do you see?
Cristina: I don't really see anything. Some trees, Some buildings.
Jack: Some trees. Some buildings.
Cristina: A lot of desert maybe. It's. It's really brown where the trees are not.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cristina: Very brown.
Jack: Very brown. Very dry. Yeah, this is a grassy area. It's dry grass.
Cristina: That's dry grass. Okay. It doesn't. I don't know. I really can't see anything. It's too far.
Jack: Yeah, it's very far. You can see huge trees. Look really tiny. Tiny ginormous buildings. Look very tiny.
Cristina: Yeah, I can't really see the buildings either.
Jack: You don't have to tell the details. You can't see make out what you do. Don't focus on what is hard to make out. There's a main road.
Cristina: There's a road. Yeah, I said that. I don't know.
Jack: There's nothing really. Little side streets sticking out.
Cristina: Some bushes, some trees. I don't know.
Jack: Yeah, you got a little road over here. And it looks like perhaps maybe these are facilities looking a bit like a trailer park or something.
Cristina: It looks like rocks to me. I don't know.
Jack: You wouldn't be able to see rocks at this distance.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: You could barely see trees. It would have to be a building.
Cristina: Oh, it doesn't look like anything to me. It looks like boxes over here.
Jack: It looks like. Yeah, boxes are definitely not natural structures. You can assume a box is a building. There's like this box over here is huge.
Cristina: That's a huge box.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, that's a big a** building over here. It looks like there's a combination to the upper right of the image, there's a combination of a bunch of buildings and trees kind of tangled together. Maybe buildings hiding in shade. All right, let's go down to the next one.
Cristina: What are we looking at that's even worse? I think we see a giant hole. Is that a hole? Yes, very square hole. And inside that square hole is another square hole, I think. And it looks like it's right next to the building. Is that a building? I don't know.
Jack: Yes, these are buildings.
Cristina: It's hard to tell. I'm telling you what I see.
Jack: It's an infrared. Well, it's a heat. Yeah, it's. It's like infrared.
Cristina: It looks like they're buildings in a desert with a giant square. Ho.
Jack: You already know it's not a desert based on what you saw before, which. These are all the same place by the way. These are all one place.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So based on what you're looking up here with all the trees and stuff, you know this is not a desert.
Cristina: What would you describe it as?
Jack: I don't know. What do you see? What, what pattern makes sense here? Where would you see this kind of structure on Earth? Look, that Earth.
Cristina: I don't know what you mean.
Jack: Like what is the only places on Earth that look with little sections and divisions in the grass and then have a center hub with a bunch of tinier facilities at a distance? Usually in grassy savannah ish lands the country?
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: I mean obviously it has to be in the countryside, but anyways, what else do you see in this sort of night vision photo?
Cristina: Buildings. I'm just really curious about the hole.
Jack: Yeah, they know about the hole. Already told them.
Cristina: I know. That's all I really see. That's interesting. There's. I think there's a line there. Is that a path?
Jack: You mean a street?
Cristina: A street, yeah.
Jack: That's presumably this very same giant street. The one and only. Super strange.
Cristina: Where's that hole in that photo?
Jack: Tis the problem. Now you're starting to see the details that matter. Now you're looking. Keep looking. Now you're looking. Before you were pretending you were engaged. Now you're here. Exactly. Keep going. What else? Those are the details that matter also. Up close you can tell more of what we're looking at if you really look at the buildings, which I know you're not doing, but really look at the buildings and you know exactly where we are. Not exactly where it is, but what it is.
Cristina: I kind of don't know.
Jack: There's that little round building right there will tell you everything you need to know. Because that only exists in one Place like a farm. Yes, it's a farm. And the fact that there is a clearly obvious from top down, you could even tell the rounded top is a barn directly in front of the storage for the hay for the barn.
Cristina: First one, again, we can tell that in the first one that this is a farm.
Jack: Yeah. This is the divided land for a ranch.
Cristina: This is a ranch. This is a ranch.
Jack: All these facilities are on top of a ranch. You can see what we're looking at over there. Over here.
Cristina: Okay. Okay. Mm.
Jack: This is a farther away shot of the same location.
Cristina: It is.
Jack: Mm. This is way farther than the first one. The order of range would be this one, the first one, and then the second one.
Cristina: Where is any of this in this photo?
Jack: Right down here.
Cristina: Right down there.
Jack: Okay, go ahead and explain what you're seeing in this one to everybody.
Cristina: It looks like. Are we looking at mountains? I'm not sure. I'm not sure where I'm looking at.
Jack: This up here is the bottom of the other one you were looking at where you see the dryness over here.
Cristina: Yeah, yeah. It looks very deserty, especially in that photo. It looks very deserty.
Jack: Mm.
Cristina: Are they on mountains or no mountains at all.
Jack: Just talk about what you're seeing. I'll give you information later. Just talk about what you're saying. No questions.
Cristina: I don't know what I'm looking at.
Jack: You don't need to know what you're looking at. Describe what you're seeing regardless of whether you.
Cristina: Squiggly roads. Two squiggly roads. And there's a circle on the bottom. I don't know if that's anything or that's nothing. I don't know. There's another circle up there that looks like a lake maybe.
Jack: All right, I'm gonna go my turn now describing what I'm saying.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: We have a main road. Out of the main road, there are many smaller roads sticking out. It seems that every smaller road has at least some kind of little square box. This is the first image at mid range. We can see the little boxes in many different locations. We don't necessarily know what any of the boxes are initially. Upon looking at them. There seem to be two stacked next to each other. Little trailer park areas and like cul de sac formations. With the dirt roads, we got actual roads forming, leading to farmhouses and little property territories. We have faraway facilities presumably to put chickens and things of that nature. Assuming that we are looking at animal contained facilities on the photo, we were looking at the mid range one to the Bottom of the fold of the photo, which is the top of the other one is completely dry. Mountainy area that has very light dry grass is currently being built up to be used to have other animals on it. If we go farther away to the farthest image where the bottom is now the top, we'll keep referring to it in the way whether the dry side is at the bottom. Towards the top right of that image, we have a giant circular formation. Man made.
Cristina: Oh, that's a real hole. I thought that was like some weird. I don't know, I didn't think that was real. That was real. That is real.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there are two major roads going through here. There is the road that follows the entire division of the farm's grassland and the farm's mountainy dry land on the bottom of the image. And then at the top of the image, following the circle and the mountain range opposite to that, we have a sort of winding mountaintop road. This is the actual mountain on this side, not this side. You can tell based on the road having to kind of curve around. They couldn't just cut through.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: This is not mountain.
Cristina: Although the road is doing about the same.
Jack: No, the road is moving the way you could drive full speed through here.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Here you'd have to slow down because you would fall off. No, it's just wrapping around the edge as fine as it could.
Cristina: Okay, okay. Little thing there. That's a river. What is that? Is that water or. No.
Jack: Where? That's a facility.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Okay. And in the closest zoom of the image we have, we're focusing on the part towards the division of the dry directly landing us closest to the farmland. We have a hole almost identical to the circular hole, much smaller but square. Instead the structure is the same. It's a smaller hole inside of a smaller hole with the same shape that the other one has. For whatever reason.
Cristina: In circle has a circle inside.
Jack: It's infinitely built in such a way that it seems to kind of collapse. And so the effect you're looking at here is it's more narrow, but it's still a square. It's not really a hole inside of a hole as much as a hole continuously getting smaller, like a funnel.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And so we're seeing where the light ends down there where we can't see farther.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: That's what looks like another hole in there. It's really just. We can't see light beyond that point.
Cristina: I see.
Jack: These are two ridiculously deep holes.
Cristina: Okay, okay. Weird. Is that important to farming? I don't know.
Jack: How do you know? What about what I just told you is important. Wait, you said important to farming.
Cristina: Yeah, because he said it was a picture of farm.
Jack: Yeah. I have no idea if I can assure you those holes have nothing to do with farming. I wouldn't even know what you could do with that for farming. Those holes are quite a mystery.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: So what I've just shown you is called Skinwalker Ranch. Skinwalker Ranch is located in Utah and Skinwalker Ranch is considered to be one of the most haunted places in the entire planet. It has attracted several huge companies that have gone to investigate what the h*** is going on.
Cristina: Supernatural activities, all kinds of activities.
Jack: Unless we're referring to alien activity as supernatural.
Cristina: Let's do that. Yes, let's do it.
Jack: Yeah. Because I'm trying to be specific and when I said alien you were like. No, like. Okay then.
Cristina: Okay. Yes, yes, yes.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: It's better to just.
Jack: Because if anything we should say paranormal.
Cristina: Paranormal.
Jack: Because supernatural is different. Paranormal is not average to us.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It's outside of our normal. Yes, but supernatural means it's outside of nature. Our nature. And it's not outside of our nature. It's just within space. If it includes aliens. And in the case of these echoes, they look to be a space time effect. All of this is science fiction, or not even science fiction, science reality, I suppose. But using the terms from science fiction, essentially. So yes, it's a hotspot for paranormal activity and it's attracted many, many big companies. And the weirdest part is nobody can answer any of the questions they come to investigate. It's legit problem.
Cristina: Okay. And it's just a hotspot for random things.
Jack: Bunch of stuff which we will get into before you start asking about what about this thing. So we will talk about what?
Cristina: I have to just start with the name. But unless you want to talk about that later.
Jack: Skinwalker Ranch.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Has nothing to do with skinwalkers, if that's what you're interested in.
Cristina: Yes. Okay.
Jack: Yeah. Unrelated. Some stories at some point people mentioned. See, this is a good that we start there because you'd fixate and it's irrelevant. Okay, I know that. Oh, but what about the. There's no Skinwalkers. It's just a paranormal name.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: A very common paranormal name because people fear skinwalkers. Although nobody could tell you what they think a skinwalker even is.
Cristina: Okay. So you're not gonna have any stories.
Jack: There are no skinwalkers.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: There's not gonna be no skinwalkers. Oh, that's not okay, yeah. In fact, anybody who is discussed skinwalkers is usually confusing some other obvious debunkable thing. We were gonna do an episode of Skinwalkers a while ago until we realized most of it are simply creatures that have the ability to do humanoid type of things, like bald monkeys and s*** like that.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: And so I was like, this is dumb. And so like all of it was kind of aiming in that direction. So I scrapped that episode years ago. But yeah, skinwalkers aren't even a thing. It's just people who really, really, really, really, really want to believe in something paranormal and have nothing to grasp, prove skinwalkers exist because it's just creatures that people are Ms. Labeling.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So, yeah, it's not that I'm sure skinwalkers have come through here, but that's not paranormal. It's been like, yeah, I'm sure there's a weird dog that's oddly shaped and makes weird noises and ate somebody's creatures. They're like, oh, it's a chupacabra. A chupacabra is a skinwalker, by the way.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: It's just all that kind of. I'm like, okay, yeah, whatever.
Cristina: But that's not important.
Jack: That's not important.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: The Chupacabra is the English skinwalker. I mean, it's a Mexican skinwalker, I suppose, but yeah, Skinwalker ranch. You could, for lack of a better word, Chupacabra ranch.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And it's not even that there's chupacabra. It's just like. Well, when there's something weird in Mexico, you say the Chupacabra did it. And then if you find out it wasn't a Chupacabra, well, whatever. But we don't know what it was, so f*** it. The Chupacabra did it.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Right. Skinwalker ranch, heavily paranormal. So things to note about this place. The results of the investigations that have taken place here are kept secret for the most part.
Cristina: Lame.
Jack: Yes, by all the companies that take apart. How many facilities have been built on the property is not clearly known. This is why it's important that we saw many facilities underneath some patches of trees and that random satellite images of this place show craters the size of the whole farm at random and then don't. At random. In random locations, inconsistent. For years you'll not see anything. And sometimes you'll just go on Google Maps and there's no farm. There's just a f****** hole there. We over and over it happens. Many reports of people. Oh yeah, I was looking for that and it's not. The Google must be blocking the thing. And somebody will go and like, no, what the f***? Some people have claimed to have gone by the farm and not have seen the farm.
Cristina: Is this like that Amazon show where the farm has is just a time. A time thing happening?
Jack: I bet that show is literally based on. On this Skinwalker Ranch.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: For one reason. The f****** hole.
Cristina: Oh yes. Oh yes, for sure. Okay.
Jack: It's a hole in a ranch that disappears.
Cristina: That disappears. And random things disappear too.
Jack: Yes. And it creates a weird space time anomaly.
Cristina: Yes. Where you'll see a mountain and then it's not there because it was there. But at a different time.
Jack: Yes, exact.
Cristina: So that's pretty much what's happening here. Like even Google can't be sure. You can't even be sure by looking at.
Jack: You can't be sure by looking at anything.
Cristina: Trying to hide anything.
Jack: They're not trying to hide anything.
Cristina: Time is messing with it.
Jack: Now let's go back a point. It's unclear how many buildings are there now. Some buildings are obviously obscured by location with trees and stuff. Now tell me, why don't we know how many buildings are there if we can just drive by?
Cristina: Because they might have been there at a different time. And you might see them now, but they actually exist in the future. Or they might have existed in the past.
Jack: Every single photo I showed you was focused over exactly the same point. Where were all the buildings? Every time I showed it to you, they were exactly the same image. And every one of those image was taken the same f****** day.
Cristina: The same day.
Jack: Every image was taken the same f****** day at different times. These are different satellite images from different places taking different images. Every single image had different buildings. Every single image had different holes. One of the images had no holes. This was all done the same day. They were doing different kind of lenses, they were doing different kind of shots, different distances and seeing different things every time.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Skinwalker Ranch.
Cristina: Nice.
Jack: If anything has ever reminded me more of Clinton Road, it is Skinwalker Ranch. It doesn't matter what you're doing or how you're approaching it. It's weird and you can't explain it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: No matter what you do, what angle you come from, what thought you applied.
Cristina: To more images or is this also. You were the best.
Jack: Every image you look at is different and it's they all. Because the point is I'm proving how f****** weird that is.
Cristina: Weird.
Jack: Yeah. Everybody puts it directly over the main farmhouse. Every version I showed you was directly over the main farmhouse. You Saw the main farmhouse in the center on every shot. And I could point it to you, but was the hole there and where the other buildings around there? Two of the images had the tall tower in front of it, one of them didn't. Those is the same f****** day.
Cristina: Yeah. So one of it had a hole right next to the fire, and the.
Jack: Other one had the hole way far away.
Cristina: That was a different hole, though.
Jack: That was a different hole. But that hole doesn't exist. Yeah, that hole doesn't exist in any other shot.
Cristina: Okay, the round hole.
Jack: The round hole, yeah. At least not in that spot. Yeah, the hole has been in other spots. So has the square one.
Cristina: Okay, that's complicated. But what? But those were people. People made those holes. They had to.
Jack: I don't know.
Cristina: I don't know. I mean, not recently or maybe recently.
Jack: Maybe in the future. Who knows?
Cristina: In the future? Yeah.
Jack: I don't know. I have no idea. It is very weird.
Cristina: That is weird, that. Yes. Okay. Wow.
Jack: Really, really weird. Okay. There have been a couple of companies, like I said, who've worked on this site, and they've worked on the site for different periods of time, Right? So we have the National Institute of Discovery Science and IDS, and they were active from 1995 to 2004. And this company was funded by Robert Bigelow to investigate paranormal phenomenon. And a bunch of, you know, experiments and crap were conducted for the unexplained events here. Then another company comes in called Bigelow Aerospace. Advanced Space Studies. And they were active from 2008 to 2013.
Cristina: So he had one and then he abandoned them and made a new one.
Jack: A subsidiary of Bigelow Aerospace focused on aerospace and UAP research.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And here the activities included working with the Department of Defense. Fence contracted to study UAPs and then explain phenomenon. That's ranch. So he came, he retires his company from it, and then he shows up again with a different company that's tied to the government. Why is the government looking at this?
Cristina: First he was interested in the weird sciencey stuff about it, but then he's like aliens.
Jack: Keep in mind, nothing he studies gets revealed to the public.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So he went to study, says nothing, leaves, come backs with the government, comes back with the government. Seems like he found something.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Enough for the government to be interested.
Cristina: Yes, for defense. Interesting.
Jack: Now again, they end in 2013.
Cristina: There's a third one.
Jack: The current research team under a man named Brandon fugal, began in 2016, and still studies there to the present, led by the new owner, Brandon Fugal. Consisting of scientists and researchers and they're basically continuing the research done on Skinwalker Ranch. The Bigelow had begun. So these are the three primary most influential. There's been other kind of insignificant groups coming and going. Nobody who seems important.
Cristina: But there's nothing on this guy though. He's just continuing what Bigelow was doing.
Jack: Yeah, he was basically coming in to also study the absurd amount of paranormal s*** that has been going on.
Cristina: And UFOs.
Jack: And UFOs isn't by saying paranormal. I was covering UFOs.
Cristina: I don't know. Yes, yes it is.
Jack: Okay, but this brings up an interesting point. Okay, what did you find? Bro came back with the government.
Cristina: What did he find? I don't know. Do people guess what they found?
Jack: Bigelow. The statement they had for being there in the first place was to investigate and study unexplained aero phenomenon and other paranormal activities to understand potential threats and scientific anomalies. Reported findings only the things that were allowed to put on paper that made or not allowed that they did put on paper that were allowed to be seen by the public were in small bullet points in order to justify their continued work on the property. Okay, so numerous UFO sightings and unexplained lights in the sky. Poltergeist like activities including objects moving on their own, strange animal mutilations with no clear cause. Cryptid sightings such as large and identified creatures collected extensive data but did not reach definitive conclusions on any of the previously mentioned. Which is a lie because he came back with the government.
Cristina: Yeah, for defense. So yeah, they had to have known what this was to come up with a plan to stop whatever it is.
Jack: Right, so he comes back with the government in 2008 and he stays there until 2013 instead of indefinitely. Interesting. So you got what you came for, did he?
Cristina: Because then isn't the third thing exactly the same?
Jack: They're not there for what he clearly found. Oh, they have no idea what he found. They're there thinking they're doing what his official message is. Oh, his official statement. They're there to continue that. Okay, the new guy is just a guy. Now let's take a quick look at what happens after he leaves. After shifting focus from Skinwalker Ranch, Robert Bigelow's company Bigelow Aerospace directed its attention specifically to developing an expendable space habitat. Designed and launched expandable modules like the Bigelow Expandable Activity Module which is currently attached to the International Space Station. Aimed at providing cost effective, flexible and larger living and working spaces for Astronauts. Commercial space stations. Which includes plans to create standalone space habitats for use by governmental and private entities in low earth orbit. And research and development focused on advancing technologies for long duration space missions and habitats that could support human life in space. He went to the ranch. He stayed at the ranch until he thought he had something. He removed his private company from the ranch, leaves, pops up with a different company, unrelated. Oh, this is government work. They seal off the property so that they can privately do their research there. And then they leave. And instantaneously we start developing extremely advanced space flight technology and we have the research survive in space.
Cristina: Okay, all right. That sounds really complicated. I wonder what he found.
Jack: I wonder what he found. Let's unpack some of this. We know a mass amount of energy must have existed there and was used for one of the two things that's causing this. It was either a stone or a portal. Something was done. Now, the amount of energy displayed here and what he's using it for tells us something very interesting. We have a ground zero that's very similar to this place. And it's Egypt and it's the pyramids. Extremely exaggerated concentrations of energy. Here's a very important thing I have to tell you. There was a giant square in the floor. If the square is a funnel, what is a square funnel? Upside down.
Cristina: A square funnel upside down.
Jack: Yeah. What's a square funnel? Upside down? Visualize it square flip the funnel.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And make it smaller like a funnel. So the base is at the bottom and it's square and it's gonna funnel up.
Cristina: What isn't a pyramid.
Jack: It's a pyramid.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: There's a giant hole of something missing. That is a square funnel. That is an upside down pyramid. We know that the pyramid itself is only the top half of the structure because the bottom half is underneath the ground. And you would call that an upside down what?
Cristina: Pyramid. Yeah.
Jack: Okay, so the real structure is in a pyramid. It's a what funnel? It's a diamond.
Cristina: Diamond. Oh, okay. Yes. Together. Yes. Okay.
Jack: Yes. The real structure is actually a diamond. And that's the object that we know has created the most energy as far as humans have generated. The ability to just blink across the universe generated in that very structure. And that would create a huge space time problem.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: If not controlled. There is a pyramid shaped funnel that is missing and is jumping around.
Cristina: It's jumping around the hole.
Jack: Move.
Cristina: Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Jack: If you were to try to make a device to teleport and the device went wrong, the device itself might disappear. But you're still failing to contain the energy the same way you would if you had no idea what you were doing. And then you create a spacetime disturbance. We have the hole where the device would have been and the space time disturbance moving it around.
Cristina: Do you think the circle hole is the same though?
Jack: I think the circle hole has to be something similar. That's what we were trying. If. If our conclusion makes logical sense.
Cristina: With the square.
Jack: With the square, then we would have to try to understand how that would apply. Because that hole is way bigger.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It's like 20 times larger than the farm itself.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And it's huge. It pops in and out. It swallows the whole branch sometimes.
Cristina: And the question is whether this is coming from a stone or a.
Jack: Or something that generated. My argument right now it's that it's neither a stone nor a portal. It's a teleportation device. It's this massive amount of energy that these people are working with that's causing the problem.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So although the stone and the portal aren't space time related, they are realm related. They must use enough energy from this side and that side to still create a problem.
Cristina: But they got that from the adrenal.
Jack: Wait. What are you talking about?
Cristina: Teleporting ability.
Jack: I don't know where they would have gotten the information. I have no idea who they studied. We don't know that. But we know that there is a funnel missing.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And the funnel moves around. So the funnel itself must be part of the energy. That's the only conclusion we have. The energy was coursing through that hole itself.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So the hole itself moves because that is the center of the disturbance. You get my point?
Cristina: See?
Jack: See, that's the logic I'm following. And I couldn't fit anything else into that hole other than a pyramid. Like that would be what's upside down there. And the only thing we know that generates that and has that shape and happens to be a pyramid isn't actually a pyramid. It's a diamond. And that would be the bottom half of it. We would have a pyramid on top. So somebody would build a teleporter there long ago. That was my theory. What do you think?
Cristina: Teleporter? I don't know. It does feel like it's somehow shadow realm related still.
Jack: It does. Right?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So let's dive a little deeper then. He definitely found something. Bigelow found something and he started using it. There was a way to control energy or a way to innovate technology or something. You found something and then you Left with it. Maybe it's still there, but the information you left with it.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Now, the question is, what was this land to begin with? What happened here? What are you here finding out about? We got to go quite back to.
Cristina: The 1600s now, where cowboys roamed around.
Jack: I don't know. That's 1800s.
Cristina: 1800S. Okay.
Jack: So 1600s, we go, and we just have a bunch of indigenous people living on the lands. And the indigenous people already consider this land sacred, but they essentially say that about all the lands, so that's not a fair statement. Every land is your sacred land. Shut up, homie. Now, Skinwalker ranch was where a tribe called the UTE tribe existed, and they were always at war with the Navajo. So, yeah, there was, you know, but it wasn't like crazy war. It was, like, normal war territory and s*** like that. Okay, but that's not even the point here. Right. So the UTI tribe lived there in the Unta basin for centuries, which is what it was called originally. And they used the land for hunting, gathering, and seasonal migrations to stay alive. And they considered parts of the region spiritual, particularly sacred, including the area where the ranch was on.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: The Navajo tribe also believed that land to be sacred, but because their ancestors came from that very spot. So it's more of a historical importance to them than it is sacred importance. And that's kind of where the conflict over that kind of land began.
Cristina: Okay. Sacred for both of them for different reasons.
Jack: Yeah. So basically, it comes down to a fight that is perpetual and infinite between cultural and spiritual. That's what it is. And it's like, you know, it's hard because this is where we come from, and this is what you guys worship. So it's like it's Israel versus Palestine. You know, we believe this, and we believe that. So definitely interesting. There are some details on, like, interesting paranormal things that happened based on their stories, but it's more of things that they would describe happen everywhere around them, not just this land with shape shifters and werewolves and just normal things. We've come across looking at native Americans, realm creatures, normal shadow realm creatures, but they exist not just on this property.
Cristina: Everywhere, Everywhere. Okay.
Jack: Now, where this takes an interesting change and why it matters specifically to, say, the 1600s is because the 1600s is where we see people started arriving who aren't from there. White people.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Why? People start rolling up, and this is where it's gonna get really, really, really, really important.
Cristina: What do the white people do?
Jack: Okay, so several settlers arrive on the lands around 1600s and promise prosperity to the indigenous people.
Cristina: Of course. Of course.
Jack: Classic story. The indigenous people wrongfully trust the settlers.
Cristina: Oh, no. Oh, no.
Jack: What's gonna happen?
Cristina: What's gonna happen?
Jack: Way more surprising than you think. The settlers eventually begin to round up the indigenous people into camps. The camps were referred to as murder prisons by the Ute people.
Cristina: Oh, that's.
Jack: It's starting to build. It's starting to. Yep. It was unknown to the people of the land what the reason for the European massacre was. The primary detailed shared through generations. Seems that it was religiously motivated, primarily Christianity.
Cristina: Just to drink their blood.
Jack: A large focus on acquiring the flesh and the blood of Christ.
Cristina: Okay. Yep.
Jack: The UTA people mentioned the obsession the Europeans had with the blood diamonds, what they likely thought were rubies.
Cristina: Oh, okay, okay.
Jack: I don't think those are rubies.
Cristina: No.
Jack: Just saying.
Cristina: Obsessed with making stones.
Jack: Obsessed with making any stones and also drinking blood. Because it's the same thing. And Jesus isn't the one who pushes that narrative. No, Jesus is not the one we know who does. This is. They specifically say the Christian white man.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That's a whole group of people coming from one group of people who's never stopped doing what they were doing. Now, this is the story I chose because of one important detail.
Cristina: The bloodstone wasn't the important detail.
Jack: The bloodstone wasn't the important detail. Because there are two pieces of information that I need to add as sauce here.
Cristina: What's the sauce?
Jack: The narrative passed by the UTA people was that the white Christian showed up from Europe to colonize and they were rounding people up and they were obsessed with the gems in the ground, the blood diamonds. They've never seen the blood diamonds. They were told that the blood diamonds are here, and we need to round you up in order to get them.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: One thing that's within the conversations with a few of them civil enough to engage and try to elaborate where they were from and try to bridge communication, even if they're being enslaved and murdered casually. That then made it through history is the following. The Europeans that arrived were specifically from western and northern Europe, many from the United Kingdom, Scotland and Ireland, many from Poland, Sweden, and Norway.
Cristina: They were doing weird things. I remember.
Jack: Oh, man. It's crazy how little you remember and how everybody's on the other side probably screaming, oh, my God.
Cristina: How do you know there's so much information.
Jack: There's only two reasons to remember how Ireland and Norway tie together.
Cristina: Sea people. Not sea people. They're. They're. They're whatever those things are called.
Jack: Yes. So when the mass migration happened during the time of Christ. As they try to flee, three lines go. One hits the Atlantic Ocean, one lands in Gaza, and one goes up to Norway, probably to this specific part of Norway where the Nephilim are.
Cristina: The Nephilim, that's what.
Jack: That's a Norway. Also. The entire troop they've already established, experimenting and testing in the Isle of Man are based on the local. Nearby island and Ireland. This is all Alician people.
Cristina: The white people that are.
Jack: They showed up.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: This is the Elysians rolling in. Or sending people. Humans. Sending humans who are still aligned with them to experiment. Not to experiment. They know what they're getting. It's very, very obvious. It's not an experiment. There's no science being done. They know what they're there for.
Cristina: The stones.
Jack: The stones. Go make stones. The people roll up. They immediately start gathering the people and talking about, we need to acquire these rubies. And somehow the only way to do that is through God. And in order to do that, we need the blood and the flesh of Christ.
Cristina: My dude, they're trying to prepare to fight Jesus with all these stones. Question mark. I don't know. That's a lot of stones.
Jack: It's a lot of stones. This was long ago. This was 1600s, man. It's weird.
Cristina: Those stones. Be.
Jack: I don't think the stones could have been too huge, but we're talking a long time ago, too.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It gets. It's f****** weird, right? Like, what's happening in this place? Well, it gets a little odder because now we're actually in cowboy Times.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: In 1850s, the United States government showed interest in the territory, sending out a military troop to occupy the region and remove any and all inhabitants. Following this incident, the land has actually been owned by descendants of European bloodlines since it was acquired and placed under people who are directly tied to the first group of individuals who cleaned it out.
Cristina: The sea people or whoever.
Jack: Whoever showed up. Which presumably is not the sea people, but people who are croonies.
Cristina: Cronies. Yeah.
Jack: Related, because we would be like. Well, in the 1600s, some God, like Adonis is rolled in, and it's like, we don't have that story. No, we just got white people rolled in. European white people. And it's like. But where they came from is like, we know they're there. You came specifically from those two places? Are you kidding? Sometimes lines just line up.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So I don't think we have to. We don't have to reach to get anywhere here. This makes kind of a Lot of sense. And whatever stuff was left there, abandoned, was acquired by Piccolo.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: There was a massacre. Many stones were made. Probably some stones were left behind, but the energy displacement continues. That explains all the paranormal s***.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Now the United States government confiscates and tries to find him. Cannot. A guy whose expertise is finding hard to find things gets hired by the United States government. He goes in with his private company. He then starts looking. He says, I actually believe if you guys give me the proper resources, we can get this done. Yes, I believe it's possible.
Cristina: You think the teleportation, though technology has something to do with the stones?
Jack: I think the roundup was all of the above. I think there was. They knew how to build a teleporter. They knew how to build a teleporter. The funnel, the square funnel has shown up for dozens of years. That's old. So. Yes, that's been there. It's possible that knowing how to build a teleporter because they can't access their old one, in the 1600s, you know, they abandoned Egypt and they're closer to the United States. They can just roll in. Okay, so you have the ability to make stones, the ability to make teleporters, the ability to make gates. You find land that already has weird fears attached to it. Easy to control a lot of people, fighting a lot of death over here.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Easy to kind of start there. Same thing that happened with the lady. You find a spot that has potential because you need the feedback loop, right?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: You can't do it if there is no fear. You need the fear to get something to engage. Cause more fear, get more of them, get more help progressively doing the thing. Without the feedback loop, you're alone.
Cristina: Okay. Yeah.
Jack: So they come to where the war is going on already, where people die already. They think it's sacred. They think it's haunted, think it's cursed. Too much death, too much this, too much that. Then get the people we have, the people who are scared. The land where the fear happens in one shot.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: We can use our friends from the other side. We can use the people from this side. Get the portal, get the stones and get the teleporter all running in one place.
Cristina: All right.
Jack: I think the hole that is a circle, was the stone being made. It's the biggest. Would require the most energy because the stone alone could fling you across space.
Cristina: The stone alone, the stone has more.
Jack: Energy than any teleporter could ever imagine. Okay, well, I think that's the round hole.
Cristina: I think so.
Jack: I Think that's the crater where it happened. And I think the teleporter is why we don't find out what's happening there. Because one team dipped and joined their other homies who also dipped.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And I guess maybe that's been throughout the years, throughout the centuries. Little pockets of people. Oh no. You know, it'd be probably become normal to dodge current day domination of Earth. So you know, we say underwater, they stay over there in space. These guys are underground. And we've grown up seeing what. Oh my God, weird things in sky come out of the water and when we see lights and stuff under the water and oh man, there's more people because we've seen things and like there's creatures underground. It's like, bro, you're just seeing all the people who are watching us.
Cristina: Yeah. There's nothing too weird happening.
Jack: And we just catch them. They're still communities within each other, even if they're private from us, probably with each other. So. Oh yeah, we need a teleporter to get to Bob. You know, teleport over here broke up. We need to build a new one to get them. He's over there in The Dyson sphere. XY 1010. And the energy. We need some. Send some guys over there.
Cristina: Yes. With that technology of transportation, they made better technology to survive in space consistently. Yes.
Jack: Thus making it even easier. So everything has always been to get more and improve and get more and improve.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: The question is, is Bigelow tied to the Alicians? I don't think so. I think those are two different instances. I think Bigelow and the United States government are what we usually find, which are people using any desperate means and they kind of, kind of know it was there. Kind of sort of understand. And the United States government rolled in in the 1800s trying to get it too.
Cristina: Yes, but they wanted people who were, it seems like they were working with them though.
Jack: The Europeans rolled in.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That's very different than the United States government in the 1850s rolling in. Oh, those are two different groups. I don't even know what happened to the Europeans.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: I didn't say anything about that.
Cristina: Well, I thought you said the government then wanted people who were part of that group to stay there.
Jack: No, the, the government has had people that are of European descent in control of the property since the 1850s.
Cristina: Okay. But that's unrelated.
Jack: Yeah, well, they're descendants of the original group of people who were there. Yes. Now the question is, is the original group of people there connected to the Original group of people there? Or does it just so happen to be that it was safer to leave in control of these people?
Cristina: Huh? I don't know.
Jack: And is the 1850s United States government the same as the modern day government that was interested with Bigelow? Because we know there are many government figures who have adrenochrome and islands farming adrenochrome and doing this and doing that. But that's not Alicians technology, because they wouldn't with adrenochrome.
Cristina: Except for these. Whoever these people are that are somewhat. They're not them, but they're related because they came to make stones.
Jack: They came to make stones, but they weren't drinking blood or anything.
Cristina: They might have been drinking blood because there was blood drinking involved. Enough.
Jack: They never said blood drinking. I looked for that specifically. They said they needed to get the flesh of Christ and the blood of Christ and that in doing so they could acquire the rubies.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: I think they had no idea what rubies. What the. I think the settler quote settlers, unquote, weren't actually told the name of the philosopher's own, because probably it was global at that point.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So that they couldn't accidentally translate it into their native language and be like.
Cristina: Getting the blood of Christ is not drinking the blood of Christ.
Jack: No. In the case of working with the Elysians, getting the blood of Christ is them trying to get enough to make a stone.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And that's why rounding them up was part of it. Because back then, I don't think. Unless you were trying to build a farm. And if they were just trying. I mean, it is a ranch.
Cristina: It is a ranch. And you say that there was like animal, like things were happening to the animals too. Someone was drinking blood in there eventually.
Jack: Well, keep in mind that the spot was chosen.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Because of. All spots seem to be chosen because of already having events making it easier than trying to get it.
Cristina: So whatever, like shadow realm creatures that popped up probably really not. Did not relate to them at all.
Jack: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. It could be. That's the problem. It could be totally unrelated. Yes. These 1600s people could be the 1850s people and it could be the 2013 people. But if not, then the 1600s people were advantageous people who knew we could use this to do the things for our. For our leaders.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And then the 1850s people just happen to have enough knowledge to know this is important to keep in our possession.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And then that actually gets executed on in the 2013s and on when they already Finished doing their research and can finally start implementing. But then that's still like a 200 year project of digging information and trying to find things out and then bringing in an expert because you wasted 200 years and you're like, can you figure it out? And he's like, yeah, yeah, makes sense. I don't think we nailed down which specifically thing it was, but I think we know who.
Cristina: Yes, I think we know who and.
Jack: I think it's possible because of the different visuals that it was all of the above. The storylines went being all of the above and the visuals line went up being all of the above. The only thing we can't really nail down is the circle. We have never seen the impact zone. It's usually buried under a f*** ton.
Cristina: Of something and they probably happened so long ago that it wouldn't stop. Be there still.
Jack: Exactly.
Cristina: Are there other random holes like that?
Jack: If we removed the ground zero of the Twin Towers, we'd have a huge crater. The question is, if we remove that and look at what the crater looks.
Cristina: Like, is it perfect?
Jack: Is it a perfect circle underneath that? You know, that's the question. We need to find another colossal sized perfect circle. I can tell you what the square funnel looks like and using logic, what it could have been.
Cristina: Mm. Put the circle.
Jack: I can tell you, based on the stories and what they shared and passed down through time about their trauma and horrors, what they were trying to do because, oh, we're trying to get this blood and we're trying to get that flesh and we're trying to make some, you know, we're trying to get the stones through doing that. The sentence doesn't make sense. You're trying to get some rubies with some blood, bro.
Cristina: Yeah, that's very crazy.
Jack: Yeah, it's very clear what's happening there. I don't know what's up.
Cristina: It's a perfect circle.
Jack: Perfect circle.
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: Only theory was if you're doing all the things you're always doing, that's where you made the stone. You were rounding them up. You were.
Cristina: I think so. But we gotta find proof.
Jack: I gotta find another hole.
Cristina: It has to be possible. I think it's possible. There's too many of these type of stories for there not to be another hole.
Jack: Yeah, exactly. Now we know how to track them down. All I did was look for a really haunted area.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: They happen to have the requirements. You dig deeper. And then as soon as we got. These people came from Norway and these people came from Ireland. I'm like, Yep.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Yup, exactly. You could have come from anywhere, bro. Come on.
Cristina: All right, all right.
Jack: Random other place, random other thing. All I did was look for huge energy disturbances, a lot of paranormal activity. And then what did we find out? Oh, science took place here.
Cristina: Science. Oh, very scary science.
Jack: Very scary science. But he just goes to show what's happening in the past is all scientific. There is no magic. We began this journey like five years ago investigating the. Originally the. The claims of reptilian magic. Oh, they got magic. And I was like no. The conclusion to that was like no. All this looks like tech.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: That perspective has changed everything. And it opened so many doors for us to really be able to look at some of this stuff to the point that it led us to actual fact discussions that have been had about this stuff. 100 years ago, peer reviewed material about this. Get the out of here. It's crazy. Anyways, that's basically what we have on the skinwalker ranch. It does look like some sort of former experimental facility. And there is a lot of weird activity that goes on there.
Cristina: I'm still going on there and to.
Jack: This day, still going on there.
Cristina: Wow.
Jack: There are claims by other people that aren't official claims of things that have happened in this location.
Cristina: Location.
Jack: UFO sightings, animal mutilation, poltergeist activity, Cryptics, environmental anomalies, Electrical magnetic energy, cold. All the things you. Lights, discs, circles on the ground, missing things, things showing up that don't belong there. Seeing fires at a distance, seeing fires in the sky. Wolf like creatures, humanoid like creatures. Furniture rearranging itself. Doors opening itself and closing itself. Sometimes directly in front of witnesses. Animals completely lacking blood. Animals with no marks at all, completely drained of blood. Animals dead with no marks, completely filled with blood. Just normal animals who have nothing, just dead, surgical like incisions done on animals. Organs missing from animals. Ambrosia.
Cristina: Ambrosia.
Jack: Lights, flying objects or no human deaths.
Cristina: Or do they keep that secret?
Jack: Unknown.
Cristina: Right. That's something that's kept secret.
Jack: That's something that's kept secret on the wraps.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Interesting.
Cristina: Right? Because you know there has to be. Yeah, there has to be.
Jack: But with purpose. I'm sure. But anyways, this went way longer than I thought. But there's a lot. And I didn't want like bad pieces of this or another episode because I know we're gonna start the next episode at least thinking about. Because we're gonna think about this and just talk about it. Yeah, like I want to do a whole episode about it. But anyway, so yeah, that's what we got, guys. You guys want to go look at some of this information? Skinwalker Ranch is an absurdly crazy thing. And I think the outer range might be based on this or something similar to this.
Cristina: It has to be.
Jack: Especially because that f****** big a** hole that moves around, dude, it's so colossal. It's been seen on both of the main road, but you can only tell when you're directly standing in front of it or when you're doing an aerial view, which is how people find it.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Because it's just off in the distance somewhere. Weirdly enough, the really, really big hole has never consumed the ranch. It seems to always miss the ranch. And the really, really small hole misses all the buildings. I forgot to talk about that earlier. They totally dodge any structures, but can be seen missing the structures everywhere.
Cristina: So the structures very close to that ranch though.
Jack: Yeah. And it didn't touch it. It was right there. Yeah, it could. Had it shown up underneath it. Does the house just fall?
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And like, how does it show up? You got to not be looking at it. It has to not be influencing anything or something. Right. Because you just be enjoying your day and then, oh my God. What the f***? The house is falling into where the hole just showed up under you. How does the hole move? Could I be standing here looking at the hole and watch it disappear in front of me?
Cristina: I don't.
Jack: Or do I have to look over there? When I look back, it's just gone.
Cristina: I think that's the only way it could work.
Jack: So then we're Schrodinger's hole.
Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jack: Anyways, guys, look at the information. Go online, Google it. Do what you got to do. Skinwalker Ranch. Really weird situation. Yeah. Tell us what you think. Tell us what you know. Tell us any ideas, thoughts, comments, concerns you might have, whatever the case might be, and do that on our socials. We have been kicked off of YouTube because truth hurts, I guess.
Cristina: Like they've been slowly removing us from there for years.
Jack: Yeah, we've been slowly getting banned left and right on YouTube.
Cristina: They finally was like, this is too much. You can't go through every video.
Jack: Yeah, no, they 100% were like, we're overlooking at your s***. Get out. And so we're no longer on YouTube but you can definitely reach us on tick tock, on Instagram, on Twitter, Facebook. I guess Twitter's act. But yeah, Twitter, you know, and on Facebook until they kick us out too because they're crazy PC, which I guess if we leave Facebook, we'll also be kicked out of Instagram, so you know all the above.
Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.
Jack: Yes, and word of mouth is the most exaggerated thing that can ever happen. So tell people about the show. Tell people about the Skinwalker Ranch and how you've discovered lately that all things on earth connect to the same group of people and that anything that's ever happened is just their doing and we have no free will.
Cristina: It might be, Yes, I guess so. This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.
Jack: Bye it.
Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.
