Rambling 161: Disaster Week

What caused an apocalyptic scale storm to suddenly appear over Earth? What is the source of this mysterious signal seemingly manifesting from nowhere? And what is Bigfoot? The duo cope with the death of Weather Deity Phil the groundhog and must scramble a plan together to damage control the aftermath of this dangerous tragedy. This on top of the fact that there is an unidentified signal emitting from space. What is the source?

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

  • Phil Groundhog Died
  • Weather God
  • Adrenochrome
  • Apocalyptic Storm
  • Frosty The Snowman
  • Abominable Snowman
  • Sasquatch
  • Bigfoot
  • Yeti
  • Space Signal
  • Spacetime Distortions
  • Universe 3 Portal
  • Dark Stars
  • Time Travel
  • Cat Gods

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean? Welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

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Jack: Yes. And this show is, you know, most enjoyable if you've got a listening partner. So if you go. If you go get it, you get one. You go get a listening partner. Look, look, look, look.

Cristina: Why should they get a listening partner?

Jack: Why not? They should get a listening partner. Listen to this episode completely. You don't walk away once you've started. You make it through. Then you go find somebody to listen to this show with, and you bring them and you do whatever the show says again. So now you go out a second time to find somebody to listen to, but now they have to as well. And it just keeps happening. The same person comes listen to the same episode to show somebody else.

Cristina: Why would they want to listen to the same episode?

Jack: Because you have to listen with somebody to talk about the show with. And whoever listened to it first is gonna have more ideas about it because they had it, they heard it once, so it can be sharper. The second person, they want that experience, too, which is part of the motivation to them getting somebody.

Cristina: What's the motivation of that person to go look for a third person to do that again?

Jack: He's way more informed now. Every time he listens, he's way sharper. So he's, like, getting smarter than everybody he shows the episode to. And when he shows the episode to them, he brags about his knowledge base about that or even even better, listens to the episode, goes and searches anything discussed to expand their knowledge. And then get another listener and listen to the show with them. And then they randomly pause it to talk about, oh, well, they mentioned this thing. This is what I know about the thing. How fascinating, right? Anyways, let's keep listening. And then the next thing shows up and like, oh, well, what I know about this is. And then little by little, they become masters of that one episode. But it always seems like they're listening to it for the first time.

Cristina: They should eventually just make their own.

Jack: Episode about that episode. Yeah, and link us.

Cristina: And link us.

Jack: Yeah, we will listen to your episode, about our episode, and then we'll talk about. Look, anybody's listening to this and does own a podcast. Do it.

Cristina: Do it.

Jack: Do it. And then tag us on, like, Twitter or Instagram, and then we'll go listen to that episode. You got to title the episode that just conversation podcast, by the way. Actually, that's a rambling podcast. Yeah. So you got to title it the Rambling Podcast. You titled the episode the Rambling podcast. And then we go and we listen to your episode about the rambling podcast. And we're going to title our episode in which we review your review of our show.

Cristina: But we'll name it after their podcast.

Jack: Name it after their podcast. But then they have to review our review of their review of our show.

Cristina: Yes. And it's only about this specific topic of whatever we're talking about today.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And nothing else.

Jack: Nothing more.

Cristina: Just each of us reviewing each other on the same topic.

Jack: No, well, it's not reviewing each other on the same topic. It's reviewing the episode that was reviewing. Yeah, well, the first one, they're just reviewing this episode.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because they're so informed. They did a bunch of research and they collected a knowledge base. Then they make an episode.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then we make an episode reviewing their episode. And then they're gonna make an episode reviewing our episode that reviewed their episode based on our episodes information and just on and on. We could just do this forever.

Cristina: Why would they want to do that?

Jack: It'll be great. It'll be the meta cast.

Cristina: Yes. We should do that, like, once a year. Maybe it shouldn't be, like, every episode.

Jack: Fair enough. Like. Like the annual review of whatever podcast we get tangled in forever now.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we're just gonna have a brother podcast or a sister podcast, I guess, depending on whether podcast is male or female. Our podcast females.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Cars.

Cristina: We have to ask the pronouns of the podcast.

Jack: Like, those are sister schools. Are these sister podcasts? Well, they're not related yet, but they're gonna be step podcasts.

Cristina: Step podcast. That's what.

Jack: Oh, yeah. So whoever's listening to this and has that idea, get really informed on everything we discuss this episode. There's a lot of things to talk about this episode. Because tragedies occurred and happened and life sucks and things suck and everything sucks. I hate everything.

Cristina: Why are you so sad?

Jack: I'm angry.

Cristina: Oh, you're angry. Why are you so angry?

Jack: Because subhumans are f****** stupid.

Cristina: How?

Jack: They killed Phil. We actually caught Phil, and then they f****** killed Phil. You know how long?

Cristina: You know how long killed Phil?

Jack: They starved Phil out. He needed adrenochrome. Then he got feral on the f****** ship. And then in order to protect everybody who wasn't a subhuman. Because at this point, I'm like, f****** Janeway that ship. And kill all those a******* for being too stupid to just have, I don't know, steal his supply. You don't need to make more. Just take his supply with you. I don't. They were just taking him to Mars. We were gonna interrogate him there, but they didn't. Like, aren't you guys supposed to be super absurdly intelligent?

Cristina: Aren't they?

Jack: They're supposed to be. This is an alleged detail that seems to have missed this one flight.

Cristina: Whoa. What if we lied to this whole time? What if they were never smarter, stronger, etc.

Jack: I mean, that would 100% prove why they're so expendable.

Cristina: Yes, yes, that does add up.

Jack: That's also why they can't overthrow us. Like how?

Cristina: Ah, so everything was a lie.

Jack: No, I doubt it. But they failed horribly. You should just take in the drinochrome he already had. Why did you take him and not what we know factually? He needs to function.

Cristina: We can always clone him and send that version.

Jack: He's already dead. We didn't grab samples of him.

Cristina: There's no fur or anything.

Jack: He's a dude. No, no. He's mixed with. H***, it doesn't even matter. He has adrenochrome in his body. He's mad. DNA running in there.

Cristina: Yeah, it would be complicated.

Jack: Yeah, it's impossible to decipher which part of the DNA is Phil. Oh, okay, so we caught Phil.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Also, he turned out to not be Jehovah.

Cristina: They checked that before he died.

Jack: We know he's godly. Yeah, his powers aren't so godly that he could beat us. Ah, okay, so he's godly, but like, we can handle that level of God.

Cristina: But like, Santa Claus can beat him up.

Jack: Oh, yeah. Santa Claus is on some horrish. Santa Claus could be actual Jehovah, so that's not really a comparison.

Cristina: Oh, okay. But he's weaker than the. Weaker than Jehovah.

Jack: Yeah, but. Yeah. So Phil's dead.

Cristina: That is sad.

Jack: We caught him after many, many, many, many, many months.

Cristina: We waited a whole year.

Jack: Yeah. We have this plan.

Cristina: Has been since last Groundhog Day.

Jack: Yeah. And it took a couple of dumbasses in one f****** space flight. Just like, how do you. How do you f*** this up? So we've done this a million times. There's so much s*** on Mars. We've done this a million times. How is the one thing we needed.

Cristina: Nothing else has died from not having adrenochrome in Mars.

Jack: Well, it didn't die because it didn't have adrenochrome. It got hostile and it's godlike. On a ship filled with people we need. Oh, if it was just subhumans on that ship, I've been like, f****** blow the ship up. He'll serve. F****** Phil will survive in space, but can't do anything. And then we go capture him again, this time inject them a couple of times with adrenochrome or however the f*** he drinks it or whatever he does with it. Yeah, and then we sedate him and throw him in the f****** cage and take him to Mars. No. No adrenochrome on a ship with important people who are on their way to Mars as well. And then we got f****** whatever sub humans decided to be stupid and not get the adrenochrome. And now we have a hostile, rabid giant. By the way, if you remember, the groundhogs without the adrenochrome become giant feral f****** monsters.

Cristina: They do. I thought they didn't.

Jack: No, because when they're feral, okay, they become these giant f******, like super beaver looking thing. Oh, you remember we saw a giant beaver demon or what a f***. That's what Phil becomes, okay? And we had that on a ship, okay?

Cristina: And so they had to.

Jack: They had to f****** dispose of this f*****.

Cristina: At least it happened after he did his thing.

Jack: This thing is useless now because we're all f*****. He can't mediate the weather anymore.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So if anybody thought climate change was real, which it wasn't, now it is. Because the person who was stabilizing climate is f****** dead. And since yesterday when it happened, and the temperature in our localized region was at 15 degrees today, the next day, it's already destabilized to 50 degrees. So we are f*****. Thanks, subhumans.

Cristina: That is a change.

Jack: That is kind of like tornadoes everywhere kind of change.

Cristina: Tornadoes every. Oh, my gosh. Tornadoes. I saw a giant epic fog coming here. It was ridiculous.

Jack: Yeah. Everything is f*****. Wow, it's. It's so f*****. If you look at the news, somehow out of the blue, unpredicted, doesn't know where it came from, suddenly formed a frost front with a snow back and a blizzard in the middle.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, my.

Jack: That's just headed towards where Phil was fighting from.

Jack: I wonder why it's happening.

Cristina: It has to do with Phil. Whoa. I mean, Phil's death.

Jack: Phil's death, because Phil was keeping all this s*** at bay, proves It.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: So at least now we know what he was doing.

Cristina: Yes, now we know.

Jack: We thought psychic and just adrenochrome creature. No, he's godlike. We already thought he was literally God from how overpowered he seemed to be. And he was really overpowered. Not Jehovah overpowered, but pretty overpowered. Overpowered enough to control the weather, not just predict. Actually, that being said. Being said, the region of the United States where the destabilization has happened is half of the United States, which is actually a bigger region than Jehovah has ever influenced.

Cristina: One point, he had almost the world. Right.

Jack: Jehovah? Well, no. His word kept traveling, but he only interacted.

Cristina: Oh. From the. Okay.

Jack: While Phil was actively interacting with what seems like at least half of this country.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And this country is bigger than the entire series of countries surrounding the area where Jehovah was interacting. So it's arguable that Phil, through adrenochrome, is more powerful than.

Cristina: Or at least it was ruling way more.

Jack: Yes, well, he wasn't ruling anything. His power was just reaching farther.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: While Jehovah was only influencing a very minuscule region, Phil was kind of, all things considered. Yeah. If we do that comparatively, he's kind of more powerful than Jehovah.

Cristina: That's ridiculous.

Jack: The question is, is he more powerful than Zeus? Zeus had a significantly larger area than Jehovah.

Cristina: How much larger? Not larger than the United States, though.

Jack: Roughly about the size of the United States collectively.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah. No, it's probably smaller. It might be half. Yeah. So. Wow. So adrenochrome just, like, s**** on better than gods. Unless you're Santa somehow.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He's too overpowered. I don't understand. But that's the topic that we'll save until we get.

Cristina: Eventually we'll find out he also does adrenochrome.

Jack: Can you imagine it, really? We go and we study this man, and it turns out it really is St. Nick. And he's just been going in. He's been going ham on adrenochrome, possibly with whatever creature. The fairies. Not the fairies. The elves are. So we got the elves. They aren't regular elves or some sort of type of fairy. And St. Nick going in on adrenochrome, and we got this weird Santa thing where nobody gets hurt, but all the fear still had. It's just genius.

Cristina: It's genius.

Jack: Fear through joy.

Cristina: Fear through joy.

Jack: He just tells you, you can have joy, but I'm not gonna punish you by making you miserable. I'm gonna punish you by not letting you have the joy. You want the joy. Right.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Then you do good things. But if you do anything bad, which it's. It's. We're human. It's inevitable.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So then you can do the bad fear. Little. Oh, that joy I was promised just got a little less likely. Oh, no.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Overpowered. Overpowered system. Good job, Santa. You figured it out.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You are way overpowered.

Cristina: So crazy. What about the other guys that help him? We never talked. I mean, we have talked about, but not in that episode of, like, Krampus.

Jack: And Frosty and all these. Yeah, Frosty's a weird one. Because the argument is somebody has powerful enough magic to move the sentience of one being into an inanimate snowman.

Cristina: It's gotta be Santa.

Jack: That's. Frosty was probably made by Santa. I know Krampus wasn't. But Frosty. That could not have happened in nature. Unless we're confusing it and Frosty is a mythological creature of some sort and we just haven't connected those dots. We do know Sasquatch's counterpart is the abominable yeti.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Jack: The yeti's counterpart is the abominable snowman.

Cristina: Yeah, but they're all made out of.

Jack: They got, like, fur and humanoid shape.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: Is the abominable snowman.

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: Really? So maybe the name has led us to picture a snowman. But if we went and looked at Frosty.

Cristina: Might look like a yeti.

Jack: Might look like a yeti. Like a bigfoot that's white. An abominable snowman. So he's the abominable snowman called Frosty. We hear Snowman. The toxin hangs out at the North Pole, and it's really just an op bodyguard they got up there.

Cristina: Oh, crap. Okay. Yeah. Maybe he's not even an actual snowman.

Jack: Actual snowman. This is actually interesting. This is something we have not investigated and we should definitely look into. And this one is probably provable so we can. We don't have to worry about locating a Santa. If we can just find him and actually interrogate him. He's probably kind of overpowered and particularly dangerous. If we were to talk about trying to get to Santa, but we could be like, can we talk to you?

Cristina: Mm. Hopefully he talks to us.

Jack: Yeah. Assuming he's not some creature that took f****** adrenal chrome or some s***, we should be good.

Cristina: He might be. I don't know. The hard part about talking to him is, like, the bigfoot doesn't want anyone to contact him. He's always hiding and stuff. Like, wouldn't it be the same problem?

Jack: Yeah. Also, why haven't we caught a Bigfoot?

Cristina: Because they disappear.

Jack: Well, here's.

Cristina: They travel like fairies.

Jack: Yeah, they do. They do. They do. There's powers. And I will tell you what's interesting about this. It's a creature with a bald face and bald hands, but hair everywhere else in their body. With magical abilities and a humanoid shape.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Does that sound like any other creature that you could just apply adrenochrome to? Why isn't Yeti just a gorilla that took adrenochrome?

Cristina: It's probably.

Jack: Probably is. Right? Yes, it probably is.

Cristina: Well, we don't have any proof.

Jack: We don't. This is all speculation. And testable. It's easily testable. We just got some couple of sub humans. Hopefully don't f*** this one up.

Cristina: They couldn't be humans, though. I feel like what if humans can become more than one thing?

Jack: We have no proof of that. We know the humans have become vampires and then when they do not have adrenochrome, become zombies.

Cristina: And we also know about werewolves that were humans.

Jack: Well, that's totally different. They got turned because of an animal.

Jack: We're talking a werewolf is a person who had a mutation with a wolf.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Versus a win dingo or a wetchudge. That is a wolf that has been exposed to adrenochrome. Those are two vastly different creatures. And what is it? Wendingo is the conscious elevation when you're still getting adrenochrome. And the wetchudge is when you've lost it and you become some feral demon trying to kill everything.

Cristina: Yes. You become a cannibal.

Jack: Yeah. So that is very different than werewolf. Werewolf. Because werewolf is a person who has their DNA mixed with a wolf.

Cristina: Yes. Mixed with a wolf. Mm.

Jack: Yes. But that's where we are. One. Yes. That just gave us a couple of ideas. We gotta go find a yeti and a Bigfoot and an abominable snowman. 1. Compare all three because why are you guys different? How are you so similar and different?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And with the Abominable Snowman, we can get questions if he's willing to talk.

Cristina: And see if he's actually Frosty the Snowman.

Jack: See if he's actually Frosty the Snowman.

Cristina: It could be the same.

Jack: Yeah, could be. If we find them where we're looking from you. The alternative is we don't and actually do find a snowman. Who the f*** knows? So. Yeah. That sucks about Phil. About Phil does suck About Phil. That being said, totally not related to this. We got a strange signal.

Cristina: An alien signal is the only type of strange. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. It's hard to explain because it's. It came from space. We sent people out to space and it was seemingly coming from nowhere. Like literally nowhere. There was just a gap in space.

Cristina: Where it was coming from.

Jack: Where it was coming from. Like we went there.

Jack: It was by the meteor belt. And subhumans did anything and everything to figure out like they zoned into the inch of where it's coming from. And it's like there's literally nothing here but a signal emitting from seemingly nowhere. And it's scrambled. We can't understand it.

Cristina: What.

Jack: So that immediately caused a couple of problems and you know, quite interesting anomaly to come across.

Cristina: That sounds really crazy.

Jack: Yeah, it's really weird because we've gotten signals in the past. We recently talked about the wow Signal that was reached in the 70s. We know that that echoes back and forth repeatedly. We've got received own signals all the time. Yeah, we know specifically the wow. Signal was sent forward in time. Was sent forward, Went through some space anomaly and jumped backwards in time. So we received our own signal before we sent it because. F***. Time travel.

Cristina: Yes, but this may or may not be something like that.

Jack: Well, the ongoing theory amongst the subhumans at the moment is that whatever disturbance the portal is causing could have created a rip powerful enough that there are little bubble pockets everywhere.

Cristina: What kind of damage is this portal doing?

Jack: We need to stop it.

Cristina: We do.

Jack: We kind of have to stop this before all the universes merge into one or whatever the f*** is happening. Have some f****** no way home bullshit happen.

Cristina: Or like in the flash where all the universe became one.

Jack: Wow. That's really just the same thing, isn't it? No way home. And the flashes. Flashpoint, aftermath.

Cristina: Yeah, it's the same.

Jack: Wow. That's crazy. Is that crisis when all the universes become one? That is crisis, right?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: Crisis of many earths or whatever.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Interesting. I never noticed that. Yeah, that's totally the same s***.

Cristina: It's the same thing. Yeah, it's a dude in red.

Jack: Dude in red. And somehow his actions resulted in the smash of all realities.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Seems legit. And he jokes a lot. They both work.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah. So that's kind of f*****.

Cristina: So what's the one? Just research.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. So we got to look and see what the h*** is happening. We've made some headway already. You know, we again, we Went there. We saw where the anomaly was coming from. Or didn't see where it was coming from. We saw the space where there should be something that's emitting the signal.

Cristina: The plan isn't to get rid of the portal, is it?

Jack: We don't know. We don't know. It depends on how dangerous the portal is. And also, how would we get rid of something that no matter which direction we go through it, it takes us somewhere else. Okay, how do we touch this portal?

Cristina: Yeah, so you can't actually destroy it.

Jack: Yeah, we need expertise, but. Okay, so what do we know so far? The portal has created interference through at least three separate universes that we're familiar with. One, two, and three.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We have no access to universe two anymore because the directly connecting portal there we destroyed on the other end. So it goes to nowhere. And we continue to receive reports that we are broadcasting just as widely in universe three as we are to universe one, which is our universe. The question is, are we getting a Signal from Universe 3 the same way they're getting a signal from us? Is our signal seemingly coming from nowhere? Except most people probably don't know how to work with receptor technology and have no idea where the signal is coming from. They never even questioned it. So they just log in, they see, oh, cool, show whatever, blah, blah, blah. They're reporting on fictional news or whatever think is happening. Yeah, but if they were to follow where the signal is coming from, it's not on their planet, and it's just somewhere in space in their local star system.

Cristina: You think it's happening in world three?

Jack: Yeah, I think our broadcast comes from nowhere. And I think we're seeing their broadcast. The problem with the theory proposed. This is proposed by our smartest of subhumans, the ones who have been doing physics as a thing the entire time. And the proposed theory has one momentous giant, ridiculous hole in it, which seems difficult to resolve, which is we connected a television to supervise Universe 3.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They don't have the technology to get as far into space as we see the signal.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Well, presumably the location of our systems is just different enough that their earth is slightly moved, a couple of, you know, macroscopic units to one side or something. So we're coming from nowhere. So maybe in the nowhere that we see in space, on their end, there's a planet there.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And there's something on the planet.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The problem is that would require them to have the technology to get to the farthest parts of their own star, which they don't know, we barely have that technology. Everything else we've done is steal somebody else's technology. And that's why we have absurd Technology.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We just confiscated from creatures.

Cristina: Met a lot of aliens.

Jack: Yes. So we keep confiscating technology. Some people just give us things, depending who we're interacting with. Yeah, they don't have access to that. So how would they broadcast from one of their farthest planets if they haven't even gotten to their closest planet? Two theories to plug that hole up.

Cristina: What are they?

Jack: One is alien life that they're not even aware of. So if we can. We're thinking it's scrambled message.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Maybe the message is not scrambled. Maybe the broadcast is clear. We just don't understand it. Because it's alien.

Cristina: Because it's alien. Yeah, that makes sense.

Jack: That's one.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Second is a little more exotic, which is to say that the signal is coming from a planet and it is a human signal from Universe 3, but it's coming from a future of Universe 3.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah. We already know that the black hole is causing not just space, but space time. Because they're one. It's f****** with space time. Not the black hole, the portal.

Cristina: Portal, okay. Yeah.

Jack: Portals f****** with space time. Yes, in general.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: In fact, it caused a series of events to happen before the hole was created. That's how far back in time it's affecting. So we know it's messing with space and time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Presumably that applies in any instance of its interaction with anything.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So the signal we're getting might be from a future in that space. So it's a different space in ours, in a different time than ours, and a different time than their own. Because it's just a point in space time taken. And we're receiving that information. Which is also to say we cannot prove whether they in universe 3 are in the same year we're in. Maybe the reason they have not reached our technology is because they're actually in the past.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: And when we look at them, we're looking backwards to their past.

Cristina: What I thought we were in the same years.

Jack: Could be or could not be the portal. Like if we were to find a non time space fuckery hole there, would we arrive at a different time than the space time anomaly portal in your backyard. Is that f****** with time as well? And thus when we look through it and anybody goes through it, they're going back into Universe 3's past. And as a result, a hole that isn't f****** with time, just simply bridging the two Locations would take us to their present and they would look more like us.

Cristina: Whoa. You think they'll look like us? I doubt they'll ever be this advanced. But I mean, maybe. Yeah. In the future. Like, we don't know how long in the future it will take.

Jack: Well, wherever we are now, would they, at the same year, have more or less the same technology? It would make sense because Universe 2 worked that way.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And if we are all parallel universes, they should only be a little different. The massive differences we see when looking at Universe 3 right now seems like they're way removed. And could be the case the portal could just be connecting us to a really, really far universe that isn't in the slightest bit similar. But also, maybe it is, and we're just looking into the past.

Cristina: We could be looking into their past. What could we prove, though?

Jack: And that's why this would seem even more ridiculous to them, this technology they couldn't fathom.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yet.

Cristina: But it could be aliens.

Jack: But it could be. There's a lot of explanations to what is going on.

Cristina: I feel like aliens is the simpler thing.

Jack: It is an easy one. Yes.

Cristina: But it's easy to disprove as well.

Jack: Yes. If we can go there at the time of the broadcast. We just need to find out when the broadcast is taking place.

Cristina: Okay. Because it's not all the time.

Jack: What do you mean? Like through all of history? Yeah, no, yeah, we're getting it right now. We just have to go and see. And I guess from that universe move. I guess the idea would be take our time machine there with the receptor, go to the region where the signal is coming from.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And just start moving forward until we catch a signal. And there should be something there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: When that happens.

Cristina: So there is gonna be some time traveling involved.

Jack: Yes. We're not gonna do it. And we're also going to do it. We're gonna install the time machine on a ship in space so that nothing is interacted with. It's just in space. We're not messing anything. We're gonna look.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're also gonna. The ship should also have cloaking. We should have both visual cloaking and to any kind of radars or in detectors that are out there so that we're invisible to everything from all sides. And we're not on the location where something's gonna show up, but we're near it so that when we catch a signal, we know.

Cristina: And we can just investigate.

Jack: We can investigate, touch nothing, interact with nothing, alter nothing. Just find out whether this is Humans or alien life. And whether it's the right time or the wrong time or whether it's even coming from that universe, we could, in theory, be looking at the creature. And it's just a type of creature that we are just not receiving. Our senses could, in theory, not be perceiving the life form that's there.

Cristina: That is interesting.

Jack: And it's not even in a different universe.

Cristina: It's just.

Jack: It's outside of our literal perception. Our senses can literally not pick this life form up, but they use technology that creates waves we can pick up.

Cristina: Yeah, but that would be a creature in this world, not in.

Jack: That would be a creature in this world. Well, on the flip side, that could be a creature in this world. That could be creature through many worlds. It could be a creature spread out through dimensions. I don't know.

Cristina: Yeah, what.

Jack: But that's a complicated experiment to try to find something that our perception can't detect.

Cristina: We need to figure that out.

Jack: That's a complicated problem. So. Yes, so we had to get in contact with some physicists that are experts beyond our subhumans, and with the help of our subhumans, brain power. Because obviously these people are experts in their fields, and subhumans are astoundingly intelligent. The combination of we give you information, they process it, then they return it to the scientists, and this bounce back continues can probably answer that question. So we've had to get in contact with a plethora of scientists, of scientists. We've already done that. We've talked to a crap ton of physicists, astrophysicists, chemists, engineers, work on radios, radio technology, astronomers that are just scoping space. All. All the stuff, yes, we've done all the stuff. And we've come in contact with a lady named Catherine Fries, and she is expert not just in physics and astrophysics, but specifically space time anomalies. And specifically anomalies that alter the fabric of space. Which is good.

Cristina: Which is good.

Jack: Yes, exactly. What the.

Cristina: Gonna help us or. She's already helping us.

Jack: She has agreed to look at the data.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: Yes. So, okay, let me give you a little background here. Catherine Freese is a astrophysicist that has discovered the. Actually a theoretical astrophysicist. She is a theoretical physicist who's discovered in math, the existence of what is called a dark star.

Cristina: A dark star?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Have you heard of a dark star? I don't know.

Jack: It's a term that is quite elusive, doesn't get mentioned quite often.

Cristina: I've heard dark matter, and I think that's it.

Jack: And dark matter. And dark energy.

Cristina: Dark energy, yes. Totally different things, right?

Jack: Yes, actually she works with both of those things as well.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Catherine Fries has discovered the dark star, which is suggested to be similar to black hole, and the dark star that is titled to be kind of like made of dark energy.

Cristina: Kind of made, yeah.

Jack: So we don't know what dark energy is, but there is a collective of energy that behaves like a star. And she is also responsible for that math discovery, theoretical physics, and her mind applying what she knows to come up with these conclusions. So a dark star is basically all the characteristics of a black hole, except rather than there being a tear in the tremendous dent of the fabric of spacetime, there is no dent there. I mean, there is a dent. There is no tear in the. The furthest, deepest part of the dent. It. The fabric hasn't torn. It's just really, really indented to such an angle that light cannot escape. It's not fast enough to compensate for the amount of traction it needs. Black hole, create deep hole. Dark star, create deep hole.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Light no escape. Deep hole summary.

Cristina: Sorry.

Jack: All right, so yeah, she is the discoverer of that, and because of that, she is quite qualified to deal with energy based, space based, time based problems.

Cristina: So she'll help us out.

Jack: She said she'll look at the data.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: We don't know if she'll help us out. It could look like ridiculous nonsense to her and totally not be worth your time.

Cristina: Oh, we got a time machine.

Jack: We do have a time machine.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And a quantum computer. She needs it.

Cristina: And a portal and a portal.

Jack: We have interesting things for her to work with if she's curious. And there's nothing a theoretical astrophysicist that works with space time anomalies would find more interesting than a space time anomaly portal that you can only theorize about.

Cristina: That's amazing.

Jack: Yeah, it's like candy. That happens to be crack.

Cristina: It's crack.

Jack: It's crackedy crack. D and she wants crack D she has to want the crack D It's the kind of crack D she would like.

Cristina: It's the. What's that blue stuff? It's the blue stuff.

Jack: What blue stuff?

Cristina: From breaking breath meth? Yes, the blue myth.

Jack: It's blue sky.

Cristina: Blue sky. Oh, that's what it's called.

Jack: Mm, Blue sky. So, yeah, that's what. Where we're at at the moment.

Cristina: Yes. That's crazy. That's still depressing about Phil, but this is very interesting.

Jack: Yeah, it sucks about Phil, but what the f*** can we do, man. This is kind of a real crap turn of events. We needed him.

Cristina: Crazy. Like, what are the chances? What are the chances when we're gonna go find him, he just dies?

Jack: Well, he didn't just die. Well, we kind of literally had to kill him.

Cristina: We killed him but to protect everybody.

Jack: Else on the ship. Because who the h*** makes the mistake of. Like, we all know you don't just take a heroin addict off of heroin. Yeah, he will die. You don't do that, problems will ensue when desperation kicks in. That's the most dangerous person in any room now.

Cristina: Yeah. So it was our mistake.

Jack: Yeah. If something gives you f****** powers and you're addicted to the f****** thing, should we take you without the thing that makes you stronger and more overpowered than everybody we've ever met?

Cristina: What happened there then?

Jack: It was just crazy lapse of judgment. I don't understand how nobody had the idea of. Maybe it's a good idea if we have this there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He has an abundance of it. Come on.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Also, why didn't we take adrenochrome just to study it?

Cristina: That's a good question. Why? We had a bad day.

Jack: Yeah, it was. We don't make many mistakes, but God d***, when we do, it compensates for all the mistakes we haven't made.

Cristina: Yes. Oh my gosh. We haven't had such a bad day.

Jack: Since we destroyed Mars.

Cristina: I was gonna say since we died the first time.

Jack: Did Mars get destroyed before or after that?

Cristina: Be after.

Jack: Maybe Mars got the. Straight after that. Maybe.

Cristina: I don't know the timeline.

Jack: Look, the first couple of clones weren't the best of people. Yeah, there's a lot of dark there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: A lot of horrible things happen. I actually don't remember. I keep forgetting which one I am. Yeah, but whatever. So, yeah, that's the catch up that we've. That's all we've got when it comes to what's been happening this f****** week. And the fact that we. A year.

Cristina: A year.

Jack: Year of planning meticulously and strategizing and figuring it out. We're getting close. We're planning the.

Cristina: You know how like so much mistakes after mistakes after mistakes. That's so crazy.

Jack: I don't know how this happened. It's just frustrating. I'm not happy right now. It is just a sad tragedy.

Cristina: But we know where to find Adrenochrome at least, right? Like they will still have it.

Jack: Like we have to go back for that.

Cristina: Yes. I think we need another year. We're gonna wait another year no, we're.

Jack: Just gonna go get that adrenochrome.

Cristina: Oh, right now we're not waiting a.

Jack: Year for the adrenochrome.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: We're just gonna send them to go retrieve the adrenochrome.

Cristina: Alright.

Jack: Least we could do is study a functional batch.

Cristina: That would be great. Okay, That's a good plan.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yes. Let's do it.

Jack: We're gonna go reclaim the adrenochrome.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We're going to go find a yeti, a Sasquatch, which is presumably the same as a Bigfoot, but those could be different. Sasquatch, Bigfoot, Yeti, and the Abominable Snowman. Four creatures, man.

Cristina: There's four. Okay.

Jack: Two snow and two woods.

Cristina: One has to be the feral of the other, right?

Jack: Interesting. Yeah, interesting concept you have there. So the argument here is, cause Sasquatch is what's dangerous, right? Not Bigfoot. Bigfoot is just mystical and hiding. And Sasquatch is all the horrible stories of something. So some sort of ape, presumably a gorilla, that seems to already resemble and tend to be way bigger than humans in general.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Takes adrenochrome and becomes a Bigfoot. And they're overpowered. Magical. Intelligent. Way more intelligent than humans. Elusive. But when they run out of a supply after their body has adjusted and they go feral. You get a Sasquatch.

Cristina: Yeah. And I don't think the snow one is an ape. Because it's snow.

Jack: Because it's snow.

Cristina: But there's a bear that lives in the snow.

Jack: Oh, s***.

Cristina: They're big, they're white.

Jack: Then. Then we're not dealing with a gorilla. Maybe that's just a black bear or a grizzly. Wait, did we establish this before? I feel like we did come across this information before.

Cristina: So I don't know. I'm not sure.

Jack: Bear kills someone. They were horrified. In the process. Their body creates adrenochrome. The bear eats the body, consumes the adrenochrome, turns into a Bigfoot, runs out of adrenochrome and devolves into Sasquatch.

Cristina: That's possible.

Jack: It's quite possible. With the probability being there are more Sasquatch out there than Bigfoot. Because Bigfoot is who's elusive while Sasquatch is who we have horror stories of people have interacted with Sasquatch. People look for the non feral intelligent one avoiding humans.

Cristina: Oh, okay, okay. But we're not sure if it's a bear or a gorilla.

Jack: Not sure. But if we assume, and we can confirm this once we go and find out, yeah, but actually, we can find out.

Cristina: Sounds right.

Jack: Yeah, it sounds right. Well, if we were to capture one or get one to convince. Convince one to let us take a blood sample. We could test whether this is a bear or an ape. But the same would apply to the abominable snowman and yeti.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because I believe yeti is the intelligent one and the abominable snowman is oftentimes referred to as some sort of monster.

Cristina: Yeah. Interesting.

Jack: So there is. I think we got thought out version and a feral version to what's probably just the polar bear.

Cristina: I feel like. That's right. I feel like they're bears. We've been wrong all along.

Jack: And the basic name to it tells us a lot too. It's a polar bear that lives towards the North Pole.

Cristina: Yeah, that makes so much sense.

Jack: Also polar opposite to the other one.

Cristina: Yeah. No one's noticed that connection. They're all thinking it's a monkey or something like.

Jack: Yeah, maybe. I don't know.

Cristina: Why would a monkey be in the forest? Do monkeys.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Well, I thought it was the jungle.

Jack: That too.

Cristina: That too. The forest and the jungle.

Jack: There are forest monkeys.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And there. I mean, not in the United States. I don't think there's natural monkeys in the United States. I have no idea.

Cristina: That's where they're found in the United States.

Jack: Which would make sense about bears.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But that doesn't stop monkeys from existing in forests.

Cristina: But where. There. Where Bigfoots are found, though?

Jack: Well, Bigfoots are found. I doubt. Well, the problem is that Bigfoots are found everywhere on Earth as long as there are woods or jungles.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In jungles, Bigfoot is anywhere there are trees to hide behind.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Doesn't matter where you find the trees. If there's a lot of trees, there could be a Bigfoot there or a Sasquatch, whichever one you're using. But they could be counterparts, the same thing.

Cristina: Yes, I think so.

Jack: Yeah, I think so too. So we either find four different creatures or find. Collect, I guess, a stash of adrenochrome and get two normal creatures.

Cristina: Yeah, we just change them ourselves.

Jack: Here's. Here's where this kind of becomes a little risky. And we could face a similar problem to Phil, though. Phil was way more overpowered than we thought he was. We had no understanding of how powerful he really was.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now we've kind of begun an apocalyptic weather problem.

Cristina: We'll figure that out.

Jack: Yeah, we have to. We have to. That's. We got no option. We f****** give adrenaline. Come to another F****** groundhog. And like, bro, hopefully you got these powers because we need you right now, dude.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which we would need the supply of adrenochrome to do anyways.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So once we confiscate this, we literally have the power to gift people adrenochrome abilities.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We need that stash. That is priority number one at this moment.

Cristina: Fix the weather.

Jack: That'll fix the weather. And without the impending doom of our main planet, we can safely proceed to go get. We already have the sash. We can get just a polar bear and a regular bear and give them both adrenochrome and see what happens if they turn into yeti and bigfoot. Sweet. We solved a lot of problems if they don't. We have another animal Jones. We study whatever they become. Obviously.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But we're f***** because what the h*** is a yeti? What the h*** is the Abominable Snowman? What the f*** is Bigfoot? And what the f*** is Sasquatch?

Cristina: We test the apes out.

Jack: We test the apes out. We get gorillas and test it out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Alternatively, if we can find these creatures, as elusive as they are, we have great technology. We have subhumans that are the greatest detectives ever. If we can send them out there to find the track to get these things, we don't need to go through this whole process and waste our adrenaline.

Cristina: Okay. Yes. That's a better idea.

Jack: And then we could just take a sample and have the answer. With a blood sample, we can tell what this DNA is.

Cristina: Okay. That sounds like a good idea. Why do we need them, though? It's just because there's another creature.

Jack: It's just because another creature we don't know about.

Cristina: We're just playing Pokemon in real life. Pretty much.

Jack: Yeah. Trapping a little of everything on Mars where they can escape.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: But what makes this particularly dangerous. Right. Is once we give these creatures. If they. If we don't find them and get them to agree with us. We're talking about creatures that are about as powerful as Phil.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like on a normal day before they go feral.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And if it goes through a panic as it's taking this form, who knows what. Who knows what? It could happen. We need to already have it on Mars before we begin any experiments in a region that is completely desolate and abandoned. We can't risk it causing some sort of magic problem.

Cristina: That is pretty crazy.

Jack: Especially because we don't understand how these powers really work.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We used to think Bigfoot was a fairy of some sort. We used to think Bigfoot Became the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Oh, shadow. Yeah. Because many different.

Jack: Because he's. He's seemingly the most elusive and complicated creature.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So we're kind of hunting the Big Kahuna right now.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We've dealt with crazy creatures before, but we've never, in all our years working, had a solution to. What the f***? Bigfoot. To the point that we usually don't even discuss it. We don't bother. It's too complicated.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now we have access to adrenochrome.

Cristina: Now we can figure it out.

Jack: Figure it out? If it's. If we can't find them in nature, we can recreate them.

Cristina: We can. There's plenty of animals out there.

Jack: The scary part is we have the motivation to recreate them. So we better f****** find them. So we don't need to recreate them because we don't know how that's gonna go.

Cristina: No. That's pretty horrifying. You don't want to use adrenochrome at all. No.

Jack: That should be the goal. Avoid adrenochrome. That is last resort. Information gathering tool.

Cristina: Mm. But, like, we still have to make more though, right?

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because if we're gonna test out every animal eventually.

Jack: Well, we're gonna try to find creatures.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That are already.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And there's an abundance of research we could do.

Cristina: Yes. That's way better. Okay. That's. That should be what we do.

Jack: Yes. Now we have the fear of if we really need to come up with the creature. Well, we have adrenochrome. We better find it so we don't cause some catastrophe.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because we can cause a catastrophe. We probably will if we're forced to create it in order to gather the information.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So I rather just go and find the thing.

Cristina: It'll be easier to find it. Maybe not. I don't know. This is the biggest challenge we have.

Jack: Yes. Catching the most elusive anything that has ever existed in all of time. We have come across aliens easier. We did not catch a Chupacabra, but we have encountered the Chupacabra. You know, we have crossed paths with some of the most exaggerated things ever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And somehow have not once laid eyes on Bigfoot.

Cristina: Mm. That's very interesting.

Jack: We interact with gods.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And have somehow. We just killed a God. We killed the God of weather.

Cristina: That's pretty horrible.

Jack: Yeah. And have still not once ever seen Bigfoot?

Cristina: No.

Jack: We have altered history. I literally changed the future willingly by choice. I destroyed an entire planet of colossal, disgusting, war hungry cockroaches.

Cristina: They were not war hungry Whatever got.

Jack: Rid of the Reptilians, took their planet and just enslaved anybody left. We. We work on huge scales. We have literally tracked, found, and sent people to interact with the Egyptian gods that are now just hanging out in the great void.

Cristina: The cat people.

Jack: Yeah. And still not once have we seen even proof.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Of Bigfoot.

Cristina: We've done a lot. Wow. Yes. And with the elves. Actually, we didn't hunt down all elves. I found one elf and the elf.

Jack: Information. Yeah.

Cristina: He talked. And he talked a lot.

Jack: Squealed.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Right. Quickly.

Cristina: So hopefully the Bigfoot's like that. Who knows?

Jack: Yeah. I hope some. Some are willing. It's not all these creatures are bad. Some are just willing to, you know, discuss things. They don't f****** care. Everybody has a rebel, and we just got to hope we find that guy. Just give us some information or allow us to take a sample or something. We're not bad guys. We're not here to harm you. If you are willing to part to play ball. We're willing to play ball.

Cristina: We have harmed some.

Jack: Yeah, but not if they're willing to just help.

Cristina: What about the roach? The grouch people?

Jack: War.

Cristina: War.

Jack: Why didn't we just trap the fairy you were talking to?

Cristina: Because you weren't horrified it was a fairy.

Jack: Yeah. We don't have to kill everything. We can. We can just gather data. Yes, that's totally fine. Yeah, we gotta hope that we could do that with Bigfoot.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And we need to go acquire that f****** stash of adrenochrome.

Cristina: We have to.

Jack: That is absolutely crucial and necessary one. It's not being guarded by Phil. Apparently, Phil was overpowered enough to guard his own sash. We had no idea. We thought it was future sight. We thought it was future. Well, he's powerful. The great God is.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, it's not being an addict. It's like, who is gonna trespass and take it from you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, but he. It was overpowered. And he was good enough to defend it himself because he's so strong. But now if anybody finds out about.

Cristina: It, oh, we're gonna be in so much trouble.

Jack: Yeah, there's gonna be trouble. We. The last thing we want is someone.

Cristina: Else to stumble upon it.

Jack: Yes. And it just making its way into the black market or something and just spreading out through people who shouldn't have access to this. Then we'll have a problem. Now we have a we gotta stop superheroes problem, you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: S*** got f*****. Everybody's a God suddenly, and we just gotta kill all of them. That's Bad.

Cristina: That's pretty bad.

Jack: We definitely gotta go acquire this.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We're the first case I know of that has completely left a stash of the most protected substance in the freaking universe. That literally. The Chupacabra, by the way, if you guys don't know, is a freaking interdimensional God that comes here specifically for adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, that's how protected this is.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You can't get it f****** anywhere. And we just left a completely unprotected huge stash. We're the first people to f***.

Cristina: It's a bad day. It's a bad day.

Jack: Yeah, there's a lot that happened yesterday.

Cristina: Yeah, I mean, like, those clones are probably not alive anymore.

Jack: Was it even yesterday? What day was that? That was a. I mean, I guess that wasn't.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess it could have been yesterday.

Jack: Yeah, I guess it's. Yes. Well, I guess. Yeah. Because they captured Phil on Wednesday.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: After he did his thing.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Then on the flight, he died.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So was that Thursday?

Cristina: That would have been Thursday.

Jack: It would been sometime because he's going to Mars. That's what, like three day flight? So he died on Thursday. We got the information that he died on Friday. So. Yeah, I guess we found out about his death yesterday.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But like, yeah, we gotta go get that stash. It's been too many days already.

Cristina: It's been too many. Oh, my gosh. What if it's nothing?

Jack: Oh, now we gotta retrieve it. Luckily, we have trackers in the subhuman. So follow the trail and get to it. But we got to do that before they use it. We don't want a problem. We can't stop.

Cristina: We could do, like, what do you do what they do with UFOs and just blame it on a weather balloon?

Jack: Yeah, no, we don't need any of that. Last worst case scenario, we have a time machine. We go back and immediately confiscate the Adrenochrome right after Phil is escorted before anybody else.

Cristina: As long as.

Jack: Yes, as long as you interact with nobody.

Cristina: Yeah. What if someone took it the moment he left? That would be crazy.

Jack: I doubt instantaneously somebody manifested there and took it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I doubt that on so many levels.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We are gonna be. Who does that?

Cristina: Yes, we'll be that. Okay.

Jack: The moment it's clear, we just walk in and take it.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. That's a great idea.

Jack: Done. And that is how we're gonna solve that problem if we don't get there on time.

Cristina: All right, that's fine.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So I guess mess things up. Too bad.

Jack: I f****** hate time travel. Always f*** something up.

Cristina: That's why I hate this plan. But if we have to.

Jack: If we have to, we have to. But like is. Oh my God. The problem is amount of s*** that just. Even if we don't interact with anything, I don't know what the f***. Anytime we time travel s*** hits a fan.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, it does. Like, I trust more the space time travel than the actual just time travel.

Jack: Yeah, me too. I hate time. I mean, that's why we've had this time machine. We haven't used this in like three years.

Cristina: Yeah, it's been quite a while.

Jack: It's been quite some time.

Cristina: But we gotta do what we gotta do.

Jack: I don't like any of this.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So much has been f***** in this week.

Cristina: Yes. It's been a bad week.

Jack: It's been a bad week. We haven't had a bad fear enough. It was overdue.

Cristina: And it wasn't our fault.

Jack: It wasn't our fault.

Cristina: So that's important.

Jack: That's good. That's a. That's a good turn of events. We're gonna get yelled at because they were under our care, but it wasn't our fault. We could be like. Well, some humans kind of f***** this one up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah, we followed the textbook this time.

Cristina: Doing what we were supposed to do.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So I don't, I don't like. This sucks. This week sucks. And if we have to use the time machine, this week sucks more.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Especially because then we got to figure out what, like, nothing got ruined. Whatever. No, something got ruined. We just don't know what it is yet.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We just gotta figure it out. We figured out. We gotta figure it out. We're gonna figure it out.

Cristina: We'll figure it out.

Jack: We gotta figure. We gotta.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And it's gonna suck. And like whatever turnout happens, if we have to use that time machine that sucks. We'll figure it out.

Cristina: Yes, it is what it is. Mm.

Jack: On the flip side, we never thought about this before.

Cristina: What?

Jack: We could just run a time travel simulation in the quantum computer that would tell us every possible outcome and know what's gonna go wrong.

Cristina: Ah, that's better. Okay, we do that. But that's only if it's not there.

Jack: Yeah. If we have to use a time machine, we could just run a quantum computation and find out.

Cristina: Good. Because we never use that either. This is a perfect solution. This is a perfect.

Jack: Last time we used was either to run the sense lacking experiment to test consciousness or the One time we were testing the Matrix by generating our own. One of those was the last time we used it. So we actually haven't used the quantum computer in longer than the time machine.

Cristina: Well. And we used it a little more. We used at least twice.

Jack: Yes. While the time machine was used for one instance.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which was to kill to get rid.

Cristina: Of some cat people.

Jack: Yeah. It wasn't to kill. It was to beat their accelerated rate of multiplication.

Cristina: That's a weird solution to a weird problem. But solved it, I guess. Cuz there's humans still.

Jack: Yeah, Yep, yep. I mean, that's way in the future. But so are a bunch of people who should have been in our timeline right now.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So whatever.

Cristina: I don't understand how that makes sense. That doesn't make sense.

Jack: No, it totally does. We send people every 10 year gap.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Into the future. Thus there's a new fresh set of people willing to reproduce in that timeline. But every 10 years a new group of people shows up. Then keep having new people and whatever. So in this 2, 300 year period, we sent people. While the decline of humanity begins around this time that we are in right now. We actually didn't predict the event back then that led to the cat people taking over, but we're actively experiencing that right now.

Cristina: Yes. I didn't realize that. Yeah, that's happening right now. Whoa.

Jack: It wasn't just a virus, was it? Phil is dead. Was that part of the problem? Was there some weather catastrophe as well that helped the extinction of humanity and then the overpopulation of cats maybe? S***. Did we cause the problem that I had to fix?

Cristina: Did we?

Jack: Oh, this is the f****** problem with time travel. This is why I don't want to use it. Because this.

Cristina: But you are fixing your own problem.

Jack: Well, I didn't f****** kill Phil.

Cristina: That's true. Your team's problem. Okay. You are fixing the problem.

Jack: Problem that the subhumans created by being stupid.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So Phil dying. And the weather literally becoming apocalyptic overnight.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: so Phil. Then we have this virus that seems to be some sort of alien. So we have this alien virus attacking and consistently changing itself genetically to adapt to us and be more harmful.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We have pollution problem happening. Just general pollution. We've exceeded a certain amount. We're talking. We're f****** choking our planet out. The giant meteor that's headed our way.

Cristina: There's most of the planets underwater.

Jack: Most of planets underwater is. There's a lot happening. I understand. Now it's very apparent what we didn't know back then that like this is the moment that it began. This is the decline. This is the beginning of the decline.

Cristina: Because Phil is dead.

Jack: And Phil. Well, not because Phil was dead, but that's one of the things that's adding to it.

Cristina: Yeah. A big thing.

Jack: Big thing. Big thing. Big thing.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Crazy. Crazy. And that also explains now Phil dies and we have this giant jump in temperature and a three part storm front of crazy winds on one side, frost snow on the other and crazy hails in another, all smashed next to each other.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But that didn't affect anything west. The reason fires have been happening over there is because Phil wasn't over there to stop it. And now we know he could only protect seemingly from halfway through the country all the way towards us.

Cristina: Yeah. But now he's gone.

Jack: Now he's gone.

Cristina: We lost our protection. Weird.

Jack: And the temperature jumped up immediately. Yeah, instantaneously. It jumped up. F***. Ton of degrees.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: From 15 to 50.

Cristina: So eventually we will burn. Like everyone.

Jack: We might be headed towards what people have been thinking was happening this entire time, except now it's actually happening because we killed Phil. Yay. So you guys are caught up. This is the wow. Disasters that we're dealing with right now. We are in. Yeah, Disaster week. Oh, I guess episode name right there. Disaster week. So, yeah, we're in cleanup mode. Emergency cleanup mode. Stop the world from ending. Emergency cleanup mode.

Cristina: Yes. And also some traveling crap we got to do.

Jack: Yeah, we got a. Hopefully Catherine helps us. Yes, hopefully. And we can solve a lot because we got new questions to answer and way more problems to solve.

Cristina: Way more. It just gets worse and worse.

Jack: Yes. And the possible investigation that we are partially the reason that humanity declined. And I had to fight that in the first place. So there's a lot of questions to answer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Questions that we've ignored for years and years and years because we're like, oh, it's fine, it's done. Anyways. That catches you guys up. If you guys are interested in finding out more things of this nature and finding out about all these discussions that we've had that now we have to slowly piece together and fix.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You can find those episodes on the official website greatthoughts.info on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or anywhere you get your podcasts and.

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Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe. That's very important. You'll be informed when new episodes arrive and rate and review the show and tell us what you think about it. And please Be with us in spirit and prayer, because s***'s hard.

Cristina: Is there a groundhog emoji? Send us some groundhog.

Jack: Send us a groundhog emoji.

Cristina: I don't know if that's a thing, but maybe, maybe. And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth. Depending. Regardless of whether actually. If you're in universe one or in universe three. It doesn't matter. Actually anybody who in heaven, there's no earth over there. But if somehow you're f****** hearing this and you understand what we're saying and you're in universe two, f*** it. Share it too.

Cristina: And if you're in four or five or six, if there's more.

Jack: Look, if there's more universes we don't know about, it's f****** great. Whatever. Share it. Tell people. Just probably.

Cristina: Maybe let us know how though, in the comments. They can't.

Jack: We wouldn't get their comment. They'd just put it in whatever version of this land in their universe.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We'll never see it, but that's fine. Do it anyways.

Cristina: Do it anyways. And this has been. Actually, it doesn't make sense because they'll be universe one to themselves. It's not like they'll have a number, though.

Jack: Yeah, they don't know where the f*** they are. Everybody's Universal Universe 1.

Cristina: Yeah. So that's not helpful at all. All right. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. It doesn't matter what they said. Just I'm grabbing onto my hand.

Jack: Isn't that the fear of being a woman though? Being held by random strangers? That's just a thing guys do.

Cristina: Oh, yes. Don't touch me.

Jack: That's what I mean. That's just a thing that guys do.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They just go. And they touch women for whatever reason.

Cristina: Is it some weird like universe that men do that all the time to other men and it's normal.

Jack: Gay guys do it. Oh, guys do it regardless of to who they're doing it to.

Cristina: Yeah, that's what I mean. Like, would you grab a strange girl's hand? I mean, not a strange girl, a guy. Would you grab another guy's hand?

Jack: No, but I'm not gay.

Cristina: Oh. It's just gay guys that grab hand.

Jack: Gay guys grab guy's hand regardless of straight or gay.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And guys, I'm. Yeah. Guys grab women. Straight guys grab women hands regardless of whether the woman is straight or gay or whether she wants it or not. And gay guys grab straight guy hands regardless of Whether they're straight or gay. And it's not just hand grabbing, it's touching and getting real close in proximity sort of invading personal space. There is a collective guy problem going on. It probably happens with women, but way less. Not to say that it's equal to rape. Rape wise, it's about 50. 50. It's just not discussed as often for women.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: But generally speaking, the violation of personal space. The problem is guys are way less sneaky than women.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so guys are just blatant and out there because they're like, society allows this from us. It's structured in such a way that what's a woman gonna do? The f*** she gonna do? Just f****** do nothing. She's gonna f****** back away and he's just gonna get closer.

Cristina: Yes. That is so gravy. Too.

Jack: F****** nothing's gonna happen to that guy. You can get scared, you can get off the train, he'll follow you for a bit, then you're going to go somewhere public and he's going to panic and leave and nothing's going to happen to him beyond that point.

Cristina: It's a horrible situation.

Jack: Yeah. And it's exactly how it plays out.

Cristina: It's not going to not be normal. That's so weird.

Jack: That's so f****** weird.

Cristina: Don't touch my hand.

Jack: And guys just do that s***. Just random guys. I don't understand what the mentality behind it is though. It is weird as f***.

Cristina: I don't know. Like, it's not romantic, is it?

Jack: No. I think, look, I think part of the problem is f****** pornography fried people's brains.

Cristina: You think people are following that?

Jack: Yes. Let's picture this. Plumber shows up at your door, he's about to fix your pipes and then he just gets too close and you decide, okay, time to f***. That's p***.

Cristina: Yeah, but she obviously wants him though. Like she's not like, oh, get away from me.

Jack: Yeah. It doesn't change the fact that guys have no idea how to read those differences. Guys are f****** stupid.

Cristina: Oh, okay. If he's in p***, she's very into it. She probably is the one that is like instigated.

Jack: Yeah. Cuz that's the guy's fantasy. She just wants to f*** me.

Cristina: Yeah, well, wait for that woman.

Jack: On the flip side, there's also such a thing as rape fantasies. Oh, that's problematic. There's also the fact that guys want to be the one to pursue. Yes, it's great to be pursued. But some guys want to dominate as well. They just like the, I, I succeeded at this myself. I accomplished a thing. She didn't want me. I made her want me. Now she does want me. That's so mentality.

Cristina: I don't know. That's kind of wrong, but. Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister, with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 130: Human Aliens

What if all the UFOs we’ve seen through the years weren’t being flown by alien lifeforms, but by ancient human astronauts that left Earth long ago? What if every ancient collapsed civilization was technologically advanced in ways we don’t understand? And what if each one managed to get a select group of people off the surface of Earth? The duo unpacks the theory of ancient human astronauts.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

  • Forgetfulness
  • Pyramids of Giza
  • Mayans
  • Ancient Humans
  • Generational Ships
  • Humans From Mars
  • Are 51
  • Stonehenge
  • The Great Void

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+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Cristina: And also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes, it is very important that you find somebody to listen to this show with you. Can you imagine?

Cristina: There's no way you could keep doing that.

Jack: That would be great, though. Everything I say just happens. I. This. It sounds familiar, though.

Cristina: What the.

Jack: What kind of a. There's a show or something that did that. Everything he says sounds like this. Almost like you're somewhere between heavily restrained and extreme.

Cristina: Is it, like, from a cartoon or something?

Jack: Man, I don't know. I feel like it's a children's show. Maybe some crap like the reading Rainbow, but LeVar Burton never spoke like that, so it has to be some equivalent. It's not Mr. Rogers. He just spoke like a white guy.

Cristina: Are you positive it wasn't him?

Jack: No, it sounds more like this sounds more like a pedo who's just totally trying not to rape all the children that he's around them by.

Cristina: Doesn't sound familiar. Is it a hippie?

Jack: Is it a hippie? I don't know. It. It doesn't sound familiar to you? It totally sounds familiar to me. Like it's based on something. What children's show?

Cristina: Was it a movie?

Jack: No, I'm pretty sure it was a show.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I'm like, pretty sure it was a show, but I don't know what show was. Yeah, but, yeah, tell people about the show.

Cristina: Tell everybody.

Jack: Let them know they should be listening to the show. It's very important.

Cristina: It sounds familiar. I just don't.

Jack: Yeah, I don't know what the f*** it is either.

Cristina: I don't know what that is.

Jack: It's weird. Well, here's the thing. People have an ability to remember without remembering.

Cristina: I don't know what does have to do with anything.

Jack: A good example is when you are about to try to talk and somebody's like, hey, what's the name of that thing? Yeah, and you're like, oh, f***, I know the name. I know the name. It's like it doesn't come out. You remember, like, you know what you're Trying to think of. But for whatever reason, you can't think of it.

Cristina: Mm. I forgot what that was called. We were talking about that in deja vu. For some reason, that was one of the things. Random.

Jack: Yeah, you're totally right. I remember that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting, man. I wonder, like, what the real engraved, like, psychology behind that is. Like, we know it's a phenomenon. My question is, like, what's causing that to happen in the first place?

Cristina: Death. I don't know. That's. That is a weird. That's a weird thing we do.

Jack: Yeah, it happens a lot, too. It's like, whatever you're trying to remember.

Cristina: The most, it's there. But some, like, you can't find it. I don't know. Your brain is a library, and you.

Jack: Can'T find the book.

Cristina: You can't find. Exactly.

Jack: Exactly. Like, it's there. And in fact, you know where the book is that you're looking or where should be. You know where the book should be, but it's misplaced.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Same thing happens. There's weird instances like that when you have your key or whatever, and you're, like, looking for your key while holding your keys. Like, wait a minute.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or talking on your phone, telling somebody, I don't know where the f*** my phone is.

Cristina: What is that?

Jack: It's a weird lapse of, like, thought happening right there. It's a really weird thing that happens, but it goes to show the total stupidity of humanity.

Cristina: How is this.

Jack: Because it's like we're forgetting things we're actively remembering.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's where we are. We're literally forgetting the thing we remember. We can't just remember it. We're so dumb. We're forgetting the thing we remember, man. It makes you wonder how we get.

Cristina: Anywhere because of that.

Jack: Yeah. Like, okay, how do we. How do we. How do we do anything, really? Right.

Cristina: Our memory isn't that crap. It's just really randomly that it's that crap.

Jack: Dude. We are part of the most. Or I guess the only. But relative to the rest of the world, we're one of the most technologically advanced locations in the face of the planet. Right. Obviously. Let's not count Singapore. Let's ignore Hong Kong, and let's ignore Japan for a moment. And South Korea. Basically. The Asians got it down. Specific Asians, but the Asians. Technology and advancement and just being advanced societies. Right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We have such a technologically advanced giant masterpiece of civilization going on, and we did that despite being f****** stupid. That's kind of impressive because, again, we'll forget our keys while holding them.

Cristina: Yet somehow cities, the magic of writing it down. We got it all down somewhere. Meh, meh.

Jack: Like, how do we remember to write it down? How does anything work?

Cristina: How does anything work?

Jack: How does anything work?

Cristina: My memory's not that. Correct.

Jack: Look, we can't even figure out not killing each other.

Cristina: Most of us can. And some. I don't know that's true.

Jack: The same people who have the power to kill one another and do are the ones in charge of making the buildings. How do we get from point A to point B? Like, you're over here. Okay, yeah, some of us do. Yeah. None of those people have power. Everybody with self control, zero power.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So who gives a s***? Who gives a f*** how much control they have?

Cristina: Well, not everyone with power wants to murder everyone.

Jack: No. But everyone with power is kind of psychotic, kind of one way or another. So how the f*** do we get from point A to point B? We're the peak. Right now is the most advanced moment in all of history where all the technology is at its most advanced. All. Or whatever.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Like it has to be the f******. Like, man. We don't have the capacity. Right.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Like, let's. Let's think about this. If the pyramids were built by us, we had that level of intellect back then.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we're better than we were then.

Cristina: Yes. Now that's what we assuming. Yes. Yeah.

Jack: That's why we just come to the conclusion that it was f****** aliens. Right.

Cristina: Because we can't figure that out.

Jack: Because we can't figure that out.

Cristina: We figured out before. We could totally figure it out.

Jack: The question is, here's a. Here's the real question. Here's your question. All jokes aside. Did we. Was it aliens?

Cristina: Was it aliens?

Jack: Was it aliens?

Cristina: Why would they want to do that?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: That's a waste of time for them.

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: Like, they came here and did what exactly?

Jack: I don't know why they came here, but one of the reasons. One of the things they left behind were something like the pyramids. Like, I'm 100% sure if aliens made the pyramids, it wasn't like, go down to Earth, make the pyramids. Aight. We out. Like, I'm definitely sure that's not how it went.

Cristina: So what would.

Jack: It's beyond our understanding, I guess.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But like, that's just one of the things that happened.

Cristina: Mm. You know, aliens came.

Jack: But. But the argument would be, what if there were aliens at all? What if we really did do it? Then how do we. How do we argue that point? Because we. Let's say. So, no aliens, right? We've never seen proof of aliens or anything. In fact, we find proof that people made these things more. We don't know how the f*** they did it. And that's why we're like, aliens did it. But it's like, okay, we have no evidence of aliens. Zero. In fact, we can prove people built it. We just don't know how they did it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So, okay, then we go further into the argument, right? And it's like, okay, well, aliens gave them the instructions, and where the f*** are the instructions? That means it's f****** possible. It's possible to be built by f****** humans. And if machines were used, where the f*** are those?

Cristina: I don't think so. I mean, wouldn't they have drawn the machines or something because they were drawing in there? Or that wasn't the people who made it?

Jack: Well, I don't know. Let's think about this real quick. We've seen. There have been episodes where we have looked into these. Like the Great Pyramid of Giza looked inside and see.

Cristina: Yes, there has been some weird.

Jack: There are drawings, and there's literally, like, power coils inside and s***. And it's like, okay, this is ancient. How do you have electrical mechanisms?

Cristina: All right, that could be something else. We're misunderstanding.

Jack: In fact, that's how we concluded that the Mayans did have electricity and thus went to the center of the Earth and connected to the matrix.

Cristina: Yes, that is true. So, but did they have the aliens help, or were they just that smart?

Jack: This. Look, here's my argument. Here's my argument about this, right? If we're perfectly reasonable and really, really think about this, I'm thinking that there are two groups of people. And when we talk about ancient advanced civilizations, we literally mean people that were there, that did not become us, that went extinct or left the planet, or like the Mayans connected to the f****** matrix at the center of the Earth or underground or whatever the f***.

Cristina: Or they flew away.

Jack: Or they flew away. Okay, but the argument would be that there was extremely advanced technology in civilizations that existed here ahead of time. That would be the real argument. And then that would explain things like Stonehenge and things like Machu Picchu and the Great Pyramid of. The great Pyramids of Giza and all that crap. This one called Puma, Puma Kamaku or some s*** like that.

Cristina: Oh, what?

Jack: All these weird ancient sites are just odd marvels of engineering that doesn't even make f****** sense.

Cristina: What does the Puma thing look like?

Jack: It's some sort of temple built in parts.

Cristina: Whaaat?

Jack: Basically, Puma Punku is one of the weirdest structures that exists on the planet because it has the layout of what would be different pieces of a temple.

Cristina: But they're not together.

Jack: They're not together as if you could in theory project a temple onto the layout. But the concept of a projector should only make sense if you have electricity and if you already know that you can turn that electricity into projected light. So like way further than we are now in technology.

Cristina: Are you sure? It looks like they just. It just looks like they just started building it and then like it doesn't look like anything really. It doesn't look like a complete.

Jack: No, no. The layouts that they have. So there, there's some blueprints where scientists and archaeologists, a bunch of people together, sort of crafted what this would look like all put together. And it looks like it's a complete structure. There was. There's some sort of temple that's built downward, but in an open area. Like they cut out a hole or some s*** in the ground into the ground. And the temple is also not complete, or it is complete, but it looks incomplete.

Cristina: Like that place.

Jack: No, not necessarily. It's in a area where there weren't any houses or anything. And they were thinking this was the house originally, but then they really looked at it and they called it the First Temple because there didn't seem to be any way to like live in this structure. Just like the walls were carved in a certain way and it was downward and you walk into like this worshipping area, I guess.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it had a very similar structure to what's going on here, except this was built outside, not downward, but just upward in structure.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it just brings up the question of, are the concepts that are taking place here the same between whatever the f*** the first temple was and Pama Punku? Because they have a very similar sort of aesthetic going.

Cristina: Were they in different parts of the world too? Like a lot of these things?

Jack: I have no idea. I just know the argument there was that they had this sort of similar structure. Difference is that one was completed, minus the like fact that it didn't have a ceiling or any protection from elements. While this place, very similar in structure, is missing the walls, is missing the ceiling, some of it has corroded away as well. Like there are parts that were there that with time worn off, but there are parts that were never there.

Cristina: It just looks like blocks to me. It just looks like it's a Lego toy or something. Like they could just move it around and make different places, like how big to move around.

Jack: And it was. It's buried into the ground. Yeah, yeah, it's very weird. This is a unique. So the idea here is, okay, so these complicated structures, we have them, they're this proof that weird things were made and we don't have the understanding of the purpose of these things. They just kind of exist. And the question is, then did we. Did we do and we have the intellect to do that and.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Are. Are those people the same people as we are? If they were real? Right.

Cristina: Okay, so where.

Jack: They're like Mayans left over the equal us, or are we like, not related?

Cristina: Like, okay, so like the humans, they're humans, but they're not us, they're other humans.

Jack: I don't know, I'm not entirely sure. Like, okay, so we got Neanderthal, and Neanderthal turns into humans or whatever. Okay, right, so were the Mayans Neanderthal? Did they come from the same thing? Did we go somewhere else and just evolve slower and the Mayans just evolved quicker and got the f*** off and we're over here still primitive? Yes, that's another way that could have played out.

Cristina: Okay, yes.

Jack: And if we stick to the idea that we're the only people that came from, like the. Humanity is the only source of life, Earth, then any phenomenon we experience came from here one way or another.

Cristina: I mean, maybe there's more than one human. Is that what we're talking about?

Jack: I guess the argument would be that there are different groups of humans if even if we all came from the same ancestor, when we spread out and settled wherever the f*** we settled, and then civilizations came to happen like Egypt or the Mayans or whatever. F*** all these different groups of people, they. We evolved at so drastic, such drastically different paces that some just had a lot of intellectual movement forward. The leaders were very open minded and promoting of advancements and things. And science happened quicker than we even have record of now.

Cristina: So long from what we have now.

Jack: Yes, so long ago that now any of the crap left is ancient garbage to us and we just don't understand it. But they weren't aliens. They were just humans. They were ancient humans, advanced civilizations. They weren't like Atlantis, Fish people? No, just humans. Yes, just humans. But we all came from the same place.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then we spread out till there was enough tribes kind of wandering here and wandering there. Tribes are conflicting. There's too f****** many people. Tribes are Conflicting break off into pieces. Well, we think leadership should be like this. We go over here and. Well, we think leadership should be like that. We'll go over there.

Cristina: So it's not possible that we just murdered all these people.

Jack: Why would we have the capacity to. How would we murder somebody so much more technologically advanced? If we went with our guns right now to one of these untouched Brazilian tribes, how easy would it be for us to just extinct them? Effortless. A gun. One gun. One person with one gun?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Whole f****** civilization.

Cristina: I don't know what kind of weapons they had. These people?

Jack: These. No, we're assuming these people are advanced technologically. They definitely have ways of defending themselves from invaders. That's how they got so far.

Cristina: Mmm. Maybe. I guess.

Jack: Otherwise, any stride they made, they'd immediately become a target for anybody who wants that that couldn't figure it out themselves.

Cristina: Yeah, but they're not all, like, missing. They don't all have the same story. Like, the Mayans or something, Right?

Jack: Well.

Cristina: Or do they?

Jack: No, no, they don't necessarily all have. Like, the Mayans are a particularly weird case where just people f****** vanished.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's a weird one. Like, they're particularly odd. My argument would be that as we built things and people came to power, we would kick people out of areas, or particularly intelligence subgroups that led certain movements would then move out of their own region to go somewhere else outside of the reign of some kind of tyrannical moron.

Cristina: So they did have to, huh? What's the difference? They were probably murdered by.

Jack: I don't think they were murdered.

Cristina: I don't know why. Murdered is the solution of where they were.

Jack: Yes. In order for us to continue to advance and get to the points that we made structures that we don't even understand. They could not be dead no matter what. Death could not have been the solution.

Cristina: But they had to abandon everything they had and not take any of that with them. Like, the knowledge that they had.

Jack: Why would they abandon the knowledge?

Cristina: Like, where did it go?

Jack: Not anywhere we're looking.

Cristina: So you think it's out there somewhere?

Jack: Yeah. If we were to suddenly die and disappear, would the knowledge disappear with. Like, we'd take it with us. Even if we left every single book we have, if we left with all the people, the knowledge is within the people. We still have it. Like, we don't need the books. The people who know the things are still there. So, like, leaving all these things behind doesn't mean anything. On the flip side, we do still have proof of all these Things when we look at like the hieroglyphs showing us planes. And this shouldn't actually. Okay. Weird that we had these predictions ahead of time.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Like particularly complicated. You showed some before. Like f****** helicopters and hieroglyphs and spaceships and modern day planes.

Cristina: Those are ghost ships.

Jack: It's really weird. It could totally be ghost ships. But then there are so many complicated things. Like hieroglyphs of electrical components.

Cristina: What is that?

Jack: Current day electrical components.

Cristina: How can you tell?

Jack: Because they are identical to current day electrical components everywhere from like magnets use to induction coils. Copper wiring.

Cristina: They look the same. But they're not used the same way. Are they?

Jack: They would work exactly the same way. Especially in the fashion that these hieroglyphs depict. They are identical to how we would use them. Side by side with the image of these same things. We would perfectly be able to use that technology. Like if we had what they had in hieroglyphs.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We could just plug it into one of our systems. Take a little adapting. But the system would function with the thing. Like it's not like they also had the exact same port.

Cristina: That'd be crazy. What if they. Those are computers? The. The pyramids are computers or something.

Jack: It's. Look. It's totally possible there was something like that. I never considered that. Because our first computers were ginormous.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They were building sized. And that's like us with electricity everywhere all the time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To still not have figured it out. So it's totally possible that these. Because we know the pyramids were rigged with electrical components. For what purpose? We don't know.

Cristina: For lighting maybe. That kind of makes sense.

Jack: That could totally make sense. Could have been for lighting. But I guess then not for computers if that's the case.

Cristina: But it'd be way cooler if it's for computers.

Jack: Yeah. I don't know why you defeat your own argument.

Cristina: No. I'm just saying that that's maybe a little more realistic. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. It would. It makes sense if it was for a computer. Because of the size of a pyramid.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But then we're arguing that in seeing this we're looking at an iceberg scenario.

Jack: Where we're seeing only the top half of something. Because where is it plugged into? It has to be underground. Right. So if that's just a part of the computer. How big is where the computer is connected to it must be ginormous.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There must be the possibility that there's an entire underground civilization just to operate this computer.

Cristina: So it might Be like what we thought about the mines, that they might be plugged in under the pyramids.

Jack: Totally. Could be. What did we establish whether or not the Mayans had electrical components?

Cristina: I don't think so.

Jack: We know the Egyptians did.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, man. You don't know though.

Jack: I don't know. But we know they were ridiculously advanced. That's why they're probably plugged in down there. But then the question here becomes, are all ancient advanced civilizations plugging in? Is that the logical conclusion? Because look, this is what we got to think about. We had recently a conversation, I think it was, when we were talking about the comparison of AI to human capacity. Right. Is it. It's. It's impractical to travel the universe as a human meat bag.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The necessities are ridiculous. It's impossible. And you need generational ships because the s***** lifespan of a human. It makes more sense to be a robot.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or to simulate the universe and travel it that way.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That then makes way more sense than being a f****** meatbag. Yes. And time works differently at those scopes too. You could blink across infinitely large distances.

Cristina: And you think that's what they're doing.

Jack: It would make more sense to do that than explore the universe. And you could divide into two groups of people in this underground civilization, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There are the people who are plugged in, already exploring, maybe in these explorations, coming across interesting technological advancements that they could then bring out of the system that they're making them in. And then the people who don't connect who are outside consistently making more strides away from the reign of whoever is a leader on top, doing dumb s*** regularly and causing wars and bullshit. Right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that then underground, safe from stupidity and just science underground, you have, between these two groups of people making giant strides technologically, the capacity to maybe move your mind either into some robotic, like body thing or augment throughout that entire process gradually. Since you already have people connected, you could continue to work on their body, little by little, turning it more and more and more mechanical, until you find the last component after their whole body's there and you put their mind into that little last piece, and then over time, you made them fully mechanical. And then those people could be the ones who leave the planet.

Cristina: For real?

Jack: For real. To then explore the reality that is.

Cristina: And you think every human just ends up there because what if we're going there? What if that's happening right now?

Jack: I think we'll eventually come to the conclusion that we cannot explore the universe realistically and that It's a waste of time and energy to try to colonize everything. And my theory is that maybe we figured this out before did the whole space exploration thing. That's why we find weird things on the moon. That's why we find weird things on Mars. But we were on Mars when it was green. And maybe what we're doing to Earth we did to Mars. And now it's crazy dry.

Jack: The way.

Cristina: So we ruined Mars and then we came here and then we ruined Earth. Oh no, well no, no, okay.

Jack: No, we did not come from Mars. We went to Mars.

Cristina: We just went to Mars.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: On the flip side, how interesting that you would say that because I didn't think about that at all. I just figured we went to Mars and did the same thing that we did here because Mars was. But I guess it would make sense that Earth wasn't in habitable inhabitable while Mars was. So we were originally living on Mars and this is the second planet.

Cristina: Yeah, why not?

Jack: And now we're doing the same s***.

Cristina: Because isn't that how they think Earth and the moon were involved with Mars? Was it Mars?

Jack: No, it was just Earth and the moon.

Cristina: Oh, it was two different planets.

Jack: Crash and created.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Oh, okay, okay, that's tricking. So okay, well yeah. What if we were in Mars first? Who knows?

Jack: Yeah. We could have dried that planet out, then come to Earth. And in being on Earth, slowly over the millennia centuries turned into the shithole that it is now.

Cristina: That it'll eventually become Mars again.

Jack: That it will eventually become another Mars. And we're just kind of, I guess we're moving closer to the sun, but we can't move any closer. So I guess the next one would be Europa where we do the whole f****** leap again. We're already looking in that direction.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So what, what's the stretch to say we go over there now the question is. Right, right, right. So we have this whole scenario.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We have advanced civilizations forming in pockets all over the world. It seems that the consistency as they go underground, they start making advanced technologies. Well they first make civilization. Civilizations need leaders. You take the brainiest people, they go into hiding as they sort of run the world from secrecy. We have a lot of that going on right now.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: All we know we already have crazy advance. We think there's hidden technologies and everything. Maybe we do have those scenarios already.

Cristina: Ex.

Jack: What if we do and they're underground doing the things they have to do, slowly converting people so that we can then truly explore.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we got Examples of that on Earth. We could have come from a different planet as well. Panspermia is one of the main things we believe is the reason that there is life here at all. And Mars was once an Earth like place. We come to Earth, we're slowly drying it out. Now we're looking at Europa in our lifetimes, in our, you know, giant gap of whatever the f*** time that there is. We're looking at the next place that we're going to go. We have technologies being formed. Everything is happening as would make sense in the scenario that we're discussing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So then this is played out multiple times.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We're living a cycle, even if at a grander scale.

Cristina: Interesting. Yeah.

Jack: And we keep bouncing around the same system. Maybe Mars wasn't the first one.

Cristina: What if.

Jack: Yeah, it could just been one of the many. We don't know where it began, but it doesn't have to have been Mars. It's just the easiest one to trace because of the giant time span between two points.

Cristina: Yeah. Wonder if it's possible.

Jack: I get like, we barely have ability to tell the things that are on Earth from how old Earth is and how long ago those civilizations were.

Cristina: Yes. But do you think we'll ever have the technology to explore those things that we can't explore now?

Jack: Like what?

Cristina: Like what's under the Earth or whatever. All of it, all the mysteries we have. Do you think we'll ever figure it out? Do you think we'll ever figure out the. The pyramids and whatever?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: That's lost.

Jack: Like, I don't think it's lost. I think somebody has it. I don't think we do.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think we are continuously leaving the planet.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Small groups figure it out and they take off.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: A great example is the space race or our current moment where every country's trying to get to space or whatever. I think sometimes civilizations just figure it out and they just take off.

Cristina: They just abandon everyone else.

Jack: Yes. Assuming that there is only one instance of life, it is the same group of life that's doing everything. The question is, how far back in time are we talking? If Earth wasn't the first, although humans were always the first, then the humans that happened on Earth are just the ancestors or are just sort of the next stage of whatever came. The ancestors that arrived.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That could have come from Mars. And if Mars isn't the first, what planet did they come from? Assuming they were on some planet. It was like Mercury or some s***. I don't f****** know. Some other Planet in our system that was, for whatever reason, inhabitable at that point. If we keep rewinding, how far back.

Cristina: Does it go from? Yeah.

Jack: Not just how. Like how long. If we keep going back, who cares what planet? We won't be able to pin it down. There's too much crap on this. In the solar system, how far back would we go? And if at all times, every couple million years, somebody jumps out to explore because they made it. They got. They beat all the hurdles to become technologically prepared to truly explore. They're like robots. They're the Borg now. They could survive any scenario. They just keep flying off and this happens over and over and over and over. So then how far back in time?

Cristina: Huh? We could have been doing this forever.

Jack: We could have been doing this forever.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: Which then tells us that there's two different versions of things happening. One is where everybody plugs in trying to get there. The other one is where they've made it and they do actually go. Usually those have to be the same civilizations because it doesn't seem efficient to just keep going out, losing people and technology, trying to figure out how to go outward. We know balance needs to be established in nature. You need to know one to know the other. But us at this moment are just trying to go out, not figuring that part out. I think the only time we're really gonna figure out leaving this planet truly is when we figure out simulating the universe virtually.

Cristina: And we are working on that, too.

Jack: We got a million things like that. That's what the space engine is. We have accurate depictions of s***. Like there are things out there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But we don't have the ability to plug in as if it's the universe and explore accurately.

Cristina: Huh? What if we had VR goggles into that?

Jack: Not really. It's not real enough. We gotta be able to, like, plug in Matrix style.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So that it's a universe. And in that universe, we then discover the technologies at a faster pace, bring them out of the program, and apply them in our actual base reality to then use that to navigate the stars.

Cristina: I feel like we probably have that. That seems like that place that everyone talks about aliens, but what if it's not aliens? What if it's us?

Jack: Area 51.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Holy s***. I didn't think about that. Holy s***. You think Area 51 is just people plugged in, exploring the universe? Yeah, that makes sense.

Cristina: That's where all this strange technology that is supposedly alien like. But what if it's not?

Jack: What if it's not? What if there are no f****** aliens. What if it's just us really doing crazy s*** and bring like, we need these people to not go anywhere and they need to have volunteered for it. So they're just dedicating their lives to science. They connect into this matrix, discover things in a fictional world that is identical to our real world, bring it out, apply it, and then we use it to advance our technologies rapidly.

Cristina: Yeah, I feel like whoever's in that machine might go crazy. Like that guy that thinks that there was aliens and he was hanging out, maybe his brain got a little messed up by using that machine too long.

Jack: Could totally be.

Cristina: Because I feel like that's way too much information though, for a human brain. Our brains are limited.

Jack: I don't think it's too much information for the brain. I think it's the exact same amount of information you'd normally get. You're just getting it in a simulated fashion.

Cristina: In a simulated fashion. That is so crazy. That's cool.

Jack: But then we can go out now. That makes it possible. We go in to go out. And if Area 51 just has a bunch of people plugged in exploring things, mm, well, f***, that's cool. Because at some point that technology is going to help us really get the h*** out of here. We have the Elon Musk's thinking they're going to do it. NASA over here thinking they're going to do it. None of that s*** makes sense. Area 51 though, always crazy. Advanced technology.

Cristina: Yes. What about those alien spaceships though that we are seeing? I guess UFOs. It's not aliens.

Jack: UFOs figuring out how to move faster. Yeah, that's all it really is. But then the question still stands. How far back do we go?

Cristina: How far back?

Jack: Yes. Because if at all points on every planet that we're on, little patches of people, after they complete the merger to mechanical and robotic AI type of human, they can travel space and use solar energy to stay alive and just explore, right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Can we go far back enough to say that we have examples in space of humans that made it really, really, really far?

Cristina: Do we have examples?

Jack: Yes. Particularly if we look far back enough into space. We see a star that blinks consistently. And people have said the possibility that it's a Dyson sphere is pretty high. We can't say for sure because we have no proof of anything and we'd never be able to prove that.

Cristina: But if we were able to prove.

Jack: It, would that be a Dyson sphere.

Cristina: And would that be humans in it?

Jack: A Dyson sphere doesn't have humans in it? Not humans, but no, it doesn't have anything in it.

Cristina: On it.

Jack: It has a star inside a Dyson sphere to trap energy.

Cristina: Well, don't people live on it or something? No.

Jack: You want to get scorched like that?

Cristina: No. Okay. I thought that's what that was. I don't know.

Jack: No. Dyson spheres to harness the power of the sun.

Cristina: And they live somewhere else.

Jack: You trap the star in a bubble.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then gather all the energy and you use that energy for other stuff. You. Yeah. You teleport that energy wherever you need it. You move it.

Cristina: Teleport it. Okay.

Jack: I mean, not teleport literally, but you, like, take batteries and charge them and go.

Cristina: Okay, so the space station.

Jack: Don't even need space stations. You could just have a planet nearby.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And you have infinite energy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Simple.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's way easier than you're trying to make it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Super simple, but okay. That's far back enough. How long has that been there? How long would it take to make a Dyson sphere? That gives us a good estimate of how long we've been around.

Jack: If that's humans, like, we're assuming we started on the star. But if we go far back enough. Are humans predating the sun?

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: If we are, because we're right now just thinking planet to planet. Okay. If we rewind far back enough, how far back do we go before it doesn't make sense to even talk about the sun.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So we have to be somewhere else.

Cristina: What proof is there?

Jack: There is no proof. But again, if we assume.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The same set of rules apply. We can rewind this far back. We just have to prove whatever we're looking at as human to say that. There's no f****** way we started on the star. If Dyson sphere. Human, then no way. The sun is where we began. That's too far back. They needed time. The distance alone would be impossible for us. Impossible for something millions of years ahead of us.

Cristina: Man, that could be us. I don't know. That's crazy.

Jack: But then there's a crazier example.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which is the great void.

Cristina: That. Oh, yes. What would that be?

Jack: It's many, many, many, many, many Dyson spheres.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Surrounding many stars. And I believe it's actually so ridiculous. There might be galaxies in there, but that.

Cristina: We can't see any of that.

Jack: We can't see anything in that direction.

Cristina: But it could be just Dyson feet.

Jack: Just Dyson spheres blocking out all the light coming from that direction.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's definitely something. If it's not human, then there's f****** aliens out there just colonizing that whole f****** patch of space.

Cristina: If it's just us colonizing it, it.

Jack: Could just be us colonizing it. Maybe we are the only instance of life. Maybe there's one origin point and it works like this. We began somewhere. I don't know where humans began somewhere or life began in one place. Life, Life began in one place and only one place. And those people went somewhere and they kept repeatedly, anytime they would reach a peak, leave, and then anybody left has to restart and try to build their way out again.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then they go and then smart people left. Okay, we gotta start over.

Cristina: Didn't Star Trek talk about sort of kind of hinted to this in one of their episodes?

Jack: I think, I think so. Did Alien.

Cristina: An alien? Yeah. Tried. I'm not sure if any of them.

Jack: Did a great job. I don't think it's intentional.

Cristina: No.

Jack: In any manner, shape or form. While in both Star Trek and Alien it was.

Cristina: Yeah. It's just, it's somehow in our nature to want to do this over and over again. It has nothing to do with it like programmed into us.

Jack: No, no, no. What I mean is that in Star Trek and Alien they chose planets and they went and dropped the seeds in water.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: They chose oceans. And they're like, humans will happen. Yes, we're not humans, but you know, intelligent life will come from those. In the scenario I'm talking about that was never the f****** planet. It's just the byproduct of the behavior. We go somewhere, abandon those who aren't good enough. They, without the hyper intelligent ones that left, have only these relics to deal with. They gotta figure it out themselves. They don't figure it out. They start over going a new direction. These people then land as far as they can possibly get and try to figure out again a new process. So this, we spread out a little, everybody's forced to restart. Then from that they spread out a little again, everybody's forced to reset. That keeps repeating, repeating, repeating, repeating.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that something that looks nothing like us a billion trillion miles away is.

Cristina: Us somehow related to us.

Jack: We're somehow related.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we're coming from the same places.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We just don't know where that point of origin is. Especially because we're probably consistently forgetting.

Cristina: Mm. But isn't it interesting if we did all have the same goal to go.

Jack: Out, that would be the most fascinating part. Why do we keep repeating the same behavior without some sort of Rules that.

Cristina: Left behind put that in us. Or is that just nature?

Jack: I doubt they programmed anything into anybody. I think it's just for whatever reason. Driven.

Cristina: Yeah, driven. Have the same driving force.

Jack: Yes, exactly. Some instinctual thing that. And the craziest part is it would just get reinforced.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because those who left survived.

Cristina: Yes. They'll do the same thing over there.

Jack: You can do the same thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we have to be the ancestors of some travelers, which means moving is the reason they stayed alive. And we could be a multi planetary, maybe even multi star system, multi galactic civilization. We don't know. But we have the drive to keep going and to move forward and to go to the next place. Why?

Cristina: That's all. It's strange because it's not just us. It's anything anywhere else that they accidentally left something like us there. They'd also want to go to space and.

Jack: Yeah. It would be like if all the smartest people in the world became robotic, left Earth, and then the rest of us are left behind. I couldn't tell you how to build a computer.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Not off the top of my head. I can't tell you how to build a power plant. I can't. No. We're gonna take the parts of what we have. We're gonna ignore anything we cannot comprehend, and we're gonna use the parts we can figure out. We're gonna take the parts we can understand. We're gonna grab all the people who can understand them as much as we can, and anything that doesn't work will just get lost. Anything we can't figure out without the.

Cristina: Smartest people in the world have something.

Jack: New or have something new.

Cristina: It'll be similar but different.

Jack: Yes. We're gonna have a very. This is going to be missing the parts we couldn't figure out.

Cristina: Yes. That could be the pyramids too, because they're all similar but different.

Jack: Like, we can tell you how a lot of it was made, what requirements are, and not explain how they did it, how they did the thing we think would be required to do that. We could build those easily right now. We don't know how they build those. We just know that they're built and we know how to build it now. And we know back then they couldn't have done it based on what we understand of them. Yes, but we just simply don't understand. That's all that there is.

Cristina: We just not understanding because they're smartest people went away.

Jack: Because the smartest people went away, that information got lost.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They took it with them. But we don't have access to it. And the little people there don't know how the f***.

Cristina: Yeah, I mean, it's possible that they went away, but they left it for those people. But they didn't understand. Yeah, like, if scientists went away, they wouldn't take all their info with them. They.

Jack: No, I also don't believe they'd be like, it's for you.

Cristina: Like, even if they did, though, we wouldn't understand it.

Jack: Yeah, 100%. But I doubt they're just like. I'm sure they're leaving in secrecy half the time.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah. I guess it would be more secret, like. Yeah.

Jack: We're gonna send these people out. They're gonna go explore. Like, how many times right now in our own lifetime have we probably sent people out if what we're seeing from Area 51 and these UFO are just really things to explore space. And this Bob Lazar guy really saw things that he thought were aliens. Maybe those are just modified humans. What if those are modified humans who can last in space, vast distances, vehicles that could move crazy distances in short amounts of time. How many people have we sent? All in secrecy because we're not ready for it.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And then eventually we shut down programs. We already got enough people out there. They're gonna report back whenever they do. And then eventually we lose communication because it went too far, and they go somewhere else and they begin all over.

Cristina: Yes, that's. That's definitely how it is.

Jack: And then we sort of keep spreading and keep multiplying and lose awareness of who and what and where.

Cristina: You wouldn't even notice that they're gone.

Jack: No.

Cristina: We would never know something's wrong.

Jack: We wouldn't. We wouldn't even know people left.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We have no idea this is even happening.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Meanwhile, they're out there colonizing planets, starting small civilizations. A small ship with 30 people went somewhere, and now they start this new thing, and that's gonna turn into the next big thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And this happens over and over. Once they start, they bail. They're like, okay, maybe there isn't. Maybe there is intentional as well. It's combination. It's like, okay, we are the troop who are gonna go. We're gonna create life. We're gonna have babies here.

Cristina: What?

Jack: We've a bunch of babies, and then we're gonna bail and keep going. We're not gonna let them know that we have the technology to leave. We're just gonna have a bunch of babies, move somewhere else on the planet where our technology doesn't get the F*** off the planet. And they're gonna keep having babies and they're gonna populate a planet and.

Cristina: Yeah, I don't know, that's. I guess that's a possibility too.

Jack: And then that happens over and over and over, over and over and over and over. And different starting points, different technological starting.

Cristina: Points because they gotta leave something behind to keep those people alive. Yeah.

Jack: They're not just abandoning. They had to be there long enough to have shelter to start families for them to get old enough to survive. Like they're gonna be there a while.

Cristina: Because they're, they're pro. The person that's there, though, is probably not the person that's gonna leave anyway.

Jack: Assuming they've already developed the technology to travel crazy large distances. They're not necessarily alive. Fully human. Yeah.

Cristina: They're not humans. Yes. Okay.

Jack: They're just creating humans who then, to survive, because it's instinct, are going to get to that same point where they're going to try to get out.

Cristina: Yes. These people are kind of like they're the aliens. But that's us.

Jack: That's us. It's just they're so different. And so the argument would be if we saw anyone anywhere in space, it's us.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: In one manner, shape or form, it's us.

Cristina: Why not? I think so. It's. We'd have to take a DNA test.

Jack: Yeah. And it goes back to the idea that we do have the possibility that there were really absurdly advanced civilizations here. From giant, giant leaps back in time. Huge, huge jumps. Different periods of time unrelated to one another. Whole advanced civilizations, giant things. Mayans, Egyptians, the Roman Empire, the Aztecs. Just a whole bunch of different crazy advanced, mega large civilizations.

Cristina: The Aztecs, Is that near the Mayans? Are those two different things?

Jack: I think so.

Cristina: I don't know. There are a lot.

Jack: There are a lot of instances of crazy.

Cristina: Like that giant square thing that you just showed me. Puma Punka. That's a place. That's an interesting looking place.

Jack: Yeah, it's an interesting look. But all these places are really weird. Like all these interesting structures that we have no recollection of what or why or how. We just know that.

Cristina: What's proof of giants? What if they're just giants who are making dollhouses? Those are children's toys to them.

Jack: You know how big? It's impossible. No, we can prove that wrong. There would be nothing that could sustain itself being the size necessary because of our atmosphere, the size of our planet, our gravitational pull, our bodies are optimal for where we live.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: All Those things have to be considered.

Cristina: Giants couldn't survive.

Jack: It could not exist. They would never evolve.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The biggest of things that were here are believe insects long ago. And they were maybe the size of like giraffes.

Cristina: Okay, then why does everyone have a story about giants? Where does that come from?

Jack: F****** idiots. I don't know.

Cristina: Religion, I get. Yes, religions have that. But a lot of folklore.

Jack: Folklore is usually based on religion. In fact, religions are composed of folklore.

Cristina: Yes, it works both ways, I guess. But. Okay. And those giant drawings? Giants drew those drawings with a stick.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What place is. What place is that one?

Jack: The Smachu Picchu.

Cristina: Is it like a maze? Is that buildings?

Jack: Yeah, there's tiny little structures. It's kind of like a maze. It's so odd place. We don't. Another place that we don't know what the f*** or why or why.

Cristina: It's built in a very nice looking location.

Jack: Yep. The weirdest thing about this place is how the f*** did it get up there? Oh, it's the tip. Tip of a f****** mountain. The stone that's up there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Not easy.

Cristina: Not easy. Not easy.

Jack: Not easy. That took the craziest amount of slave work or something. Up a mountain. You're in the desert. You're in the desert. Flat. You're in a f****** desert. Machu Picchu. Up the side of a g****** mountain.

Cristina: What. What do they. What do they need to make these stones though? Do they need water? Is there water underneath the mountain or something? Or near the mountain?

Jack: What do you mean? To pull giant slabs of stones up a mountain?

Cristina: Yes. No, to make them. To make the stone. Like they at least made it near the area.

Jack: No, I don't think the stones were made in the area. I think they were moved there similar to Stonehenge. Like those rocks are not from there.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Like travel quite the distance again. We can make every single stone in Stonehenge.

Cristina: But how did they get there?

Jack: We could shape them the same way we could. But we have. We. That rock doesn't exist there. We have to go far, make the f****** rock out of the right material. Then get it there from quite the distance right now would take days with cars. And we have wheels to put it on top of.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And engines that will speed the process up. And it would take us f****** days.

Jack: Without wheels and going 60 miles per hour on highways. How the f***.

Cristina: I don't know. Especially I don't know what's happening there. I don't know.

Jack: It's crazy.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: But we've lost all this Information.

Cristina: But what is underground? People check underground. Right? Like under the pyramid. What if there's.

Jack: Here's the problem. You're not allowed to. Because there's. There are these types of very important structures. You're not allowed to destroy these amazing structures.

Cristina: Yes. Okay, I see.

Jack: So there's only so much you can do.

Cristina: Yeah. You don't wanna.

Jack: You could explore openings.

Cristina: Yeah. But making a new opening problematic. Okay.

Jack: You don't want to just be the a****** who dug a hole and broke something.

Cristina: Yeah. Like something accidentally just makes the whole pyramid.

Jack: But that's the weirdest part because that's a rule that's f****** us up. Maybe there is something to understand. But we have this thing about preserving history more than we have a need to investigate it.

Cristina: That does suck, man. But I don't want them to destroy. I don't know what's more interesting. To see if there is something underneath or to keep what's there.

Jack: So we keep the structure and then we never discover the technology that's underneath it. Or we discover there was never any technology underneath it.

Cristina: That's what I was gonna say. Like what if you destroy it and then there's nothing to find?

Jack: There's nothing.

Cristina: Then is it worth it? I don't know. We'll have robots to do that for us to be able to go and not break anything.

Jack: How would a robot know?

Cristina: How would a robot know? I don't know.

Jack: It's guesswork. It's guesswork. There's nothing. There's no right or wrong here.

Cristina: Yeah. Mmm.

Jack: I do believe it's possible we did came. Come from another planet though. Again, we're driven. We're driven. We have the drive to get the f*** off of Earth.

Cristina: So maybe we've done it.

Jack: Maybe we've done it multiple times. And again there. There's quite a couple of origin stories for Earth. Did we come from South America? Did we come from China? Did we come from Australia? Did we come from Mars? Mars? Did we come from. Well, I'm not actually even talking about a different planet at the moment. I'm saying just on Earth. We have a bunch of different locations.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: How the f*** did that happen? Unless arrival from outside of Earth happened and they settled in different locations.

Cristina: Oh, I didn't even think of that. That's interesting.

Jack: Yeah. There were just different groups arriving. Some landed in China. Some landed in Africa and Egypt.

Cristina: South America.

Jack: South America just landing on Earth.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Civilizations starting from those people in different parts. They bail after there's enough people to continue these civilizations Moving forward.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And we get where we are today, where we don't even know the origin. We're like, no, we started the Earth. No, we started the Earth. And it's like, no, everybody did because they were different people at different times.

Cristina: What if. Whoa, man. And eventually we'll do that.

Jack: And eventually we'll do that. And maybe we send a ship with 30 people out and as we're traveling, because now we have the capacity. We're not gonna die. Or at least we're gonna live way longer.

Cristina: We're gonna have robot bodies, and we could.

Jack: Two of us are gonna land on this planet with all the technology, and then the ship is gonna keep going.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Two, you're gonna land over there. Ship is gonna keep going. Maybe it was Mars and Earth, but.

Cristina: Mars dried up because they found.

Jack: So they bailed on Mars and came to Earth.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And thus many different timelines of beginning.

Cristina: Because not everyone could do this anyway. I'm guessing, like, there's a lot of us out there, and some of us had to have died by now.

Jack: Yep. So, yeah, you land, you get as far as you can. Then things go wrong.

Cristina: Yes. We're just lucky to be where.

Jack: No, the planet's drying up too. But we're also trying to get off of it.

Cristina: Yeah, that's true. We're not really succeeding, but we don't know. And when someone has succeeded, if they did leave. So, yeah, there's probably a few succeed.

Jack: Like maybe just getting off equals succeeding.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We're not. And not all of us are gonna make it. But that any failure happened.

Cristina: No.

Jack: You just need to keep moving and keep making more. Maybe we are the sacrifice for the advancement of the collective.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If it did happen before, if it did happen, then we've already escaped a single star blowing up, killing us.

Cristina: Mm. And it probably happened more than once here on this planet.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: It might have happened.

Jack: It might have happened in Egypt. It might have happened in with the Mayans. It might have happened with the Aztecs. It could have happened several times over different civilizations that had technologies we don't comprehend and did things that we think we could figure out or can't figure, that we know all the parts except one thing, and we lost that knowledge somehow.

Cristina: Yeah. If we are doing it now, we would have no idea.

Jack: And we have no idea because they're not telling us. Because it would be problematic.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And in those situations, I think would be the same case. It would be problematic to tell everybody that some people are gonna leave. Oh. And Earth is gonna die.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Maybe they thought the same thing. But it's like, we don't know when it's gonna die. Maybe right now we're like, oh, it's gonna happen now.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And the humans they left behind figured out how to solve the global warming problem.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But then they forget. After millions of years of it not being a problem.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: And then it starts building up as a problem again.

Cristina: So we can solve that problem. But we probably also had people leave just in case.

Jack: Just in case we don't solve it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Well, and then that thing is always happening, and eventually it will collapse and eventually the planet will dry up and it will die. But enough of them left, and they took enough of what happened on this planet.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So, you know, we look back at the great void that could have been some of the earliest success stories.

Cristina: That's so cool. But when it comes to, say, they are connecting to something, the thing that they're connected to wouldn't be connected to anyone else. It's just their little bubble.

Jack: Yes. It would be that they invented something that they're connecting to, like a mainframe or computer or something. Like, if you don't connect your computer to the Internet, nothing's getting in.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And you're connecting to that computer. So if they made their own computer and they all connected to that, they're perfectly fine. There's no outside influence. They're not getting to any outside.

Cristina: But if we figured out how that worked, like, if we really found out that it was a computer, would we be able to go into their computer?

Jack: If we found their computer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then we understood how they did it.

Cristina: We still have to understand that. Yes. Yes. For sure. But it would be possible that maybe. I don't know. This is a crazy idea. If they have a computer. If it's a computer, that's crazy.

Jack: But it goes to answer the question of fermius paradox. Where are they?

Cristina: They're here.

Jack: Well, they're here. We are they.

Cristina: We are they. We are them.

Jack: We are they. Where are they? We are they.

Cristina: We are they. And we are everywhere.

Jack: Yep. And we're just the primitive ones.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they're not coming in our direction because they already passed this f****** spot.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's our job to get the h*** out of it.

Cristina: Well, not us specifically. We are the failures in the story.

Jack: Oh, why?

Cristina: Because we're not the scientists that are getting off.

Jack: Why does that make us the failures?

Cristina: Because we're just gonna be here. I mean, if that's succeeding, I guess. I don't know what?

Jack: I don't know. What's the, the obsession with the failure mentality? What is the failure here? Some people go and make other stuff and then some people save the planet.

Cristina: Well, if we don't get to that part, I guess would be a failure. If we don't save the planet.

Jack: No, because people still moved out to make sure that our branch of humanity remains.

Cristina: I guess.

Jack: Where is the failure?

Jack: They're not winning. They're just doing something else.

Cristina: Yeah. It just feels like they're winning.

Jack: Why? Because space exploration.

Cristina: Yes. That's so cool.

Jack: What about the Matrix? It's better than space. Get further, faster, in less time, do more, I guess.

Cristina: Okay, they're winning. Okay, no one's winning.

Jack: No one's winning. It's just doing different things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Some people are connected to a matrix coming up with technologies that they give to the people who are going to go out into space, colonize new planets and then us, ignorant of all the details, try to keep our.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess. It's its own balance. Yeah. Going on.

Jack: It works. All the parts work. Everything has a purpose, everything has its place.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But it comes from the possibility that all these ancient civilizations were, in fact, not aliens, that none of this was built by aliens, but rather humans developing the technology to do it. And again, no. None of these civilizations landed here and built the thing. No, they landed here, became a civilization, the civilizations built the thing, then they leave. Information gets lost. We take what we can remember, move forward with it, knowledge disappears, and then we have a whole new thing. And this happens over and over and we recycle it over and over and over and over.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And what we lose, we lose.

Cristina: What we lose, we lose. Yeah. Yes.

Jack: We're gonna land there again. Somehow, Egyptians and Mayans both did it. They were not related.

Cristina: Yeah. So we could do it.

Jack: Yeah, we're gonna get there again.

Cristina: It's hard to say if we are there.

Jack: It's hard. We could totally be there. Because there's no reason we should know.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So in the case, particularly of the Mayans, it is possible they connected. They did what they had to do. We know that their pyramids had weird trapdoors and s***. Not sure why our assumption was rocket ships because they were huge f****** holes and that they could take off now. Where the f*** are any of the mines? We know the Egyptians kept moving forward, that led to a bunch of people. Where the f*** did the Mayans go?

Cristina: They're asleep in their computer chamber.

Jack: Either that or they took off. Maybe both.

Cristina: Both.

Jack: And the Ones that were left, some kind of event happened that got rid of all of them.

Cristina: Yeah, probably. Like what happened in Plymouth, where it just a huge, unpredictable winter storm.

Jack: 100%.

Cristina: It could just happen. The weather.

Jack: Yeah. And those who prepared in other ways survived.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Leave the planet or go underground and connect. If they were the ones who went underground in an event like that, they died too.

Cristina: If they didn't go underground.

Jack: If they did go underground, those people died.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But the ones that went out into space didn't have to deal with the planet's climate.

Cristina: Yeah. And the ones that were there just. Yeah, that could be it.

Jack: We know many civilizations could have accomplished these same things. And we see the technology in written in things of the past. Biblical texts say it. Hieroglyphs depict technologies that we don't f****** like. How the f*** did you guys know? Even if we don't go crazy, far back before we had things, we're talking about Leonardo da Vinci having incredibly detailed drawings of things that we figured out in our lifetime. And he had the blueprint for how these things would work. And they did now.

Cristina: Yes. So then is it just in our DNA then? If he could do it without the science of now, you could just write it all out. Like, where did that come from?

Jack: Smarts, piecing things together.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Assuming if this and that. Anyways, we are definitely running out of time right now.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But I do think that's a fascinating idea to play with. Possibility that humans came from elsewhere in a repetitive cycle of dropping people everywhere to kind of keep expanding the human race. With enough time, you know, it's gonna keep multiplying, keep multiplying, keep multiplying. You could do faster and faster and faster and faster. Every time you just drop a couple of people here, a couple of people there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Over years, come back a millennia later, boom. Planet filled with people.

Cristina: But would they come back, do you think?

Jack: They don't really come back. They're just flying through the area or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty cool. But do they? Like what? I don't know. It's just so many questions, but there's no way anyone could answer. So it doesn't matter.

Jack: We just know there are advanced civilizations. Whether they were too technologically advanced in the ways we can picture, probably not. We don't know. They have depictions of electrical components. They have things rigged with electrical devices. Like the pyramids.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So why, like, is that the case? We don't know.

Cristina: No.

Jack: But we know that it happened many times across the world at different times, with unrelated People who should not have been able to contact each other because they were too far apart too long ago. And if that's the case, then it's possible that they were different landings, which is possible. We came from different locations. Maybe some from Mars, maybe some landed on Earth, Maybe some people were elsewhere in the solar system and Earth was the only destination. Everything was drying up everywhere, freezing over, and it was like, earth is in the right spot. Let's go there.

Cristina: Earth is in the Goldilocks zone.

Jack: Goldilocks zone. So we get some people who came from Mars, some people from here, some people from over there, some people. And then different times they land on Earth and then they start. So we got different origin stories. Anyways, if you guys want to actually look at the episode of the. With the Mayans that we were just talking about, we've. We've dissected the Mayans in their weird technology. There is the Advanced civilization episode.

Cristina: Okay, yes.

Jack: That you guys can look at. Take a look at that stuff. We've also discussed technology many different times and space exploration. So, yeah, definitely look at that. See how aliens maybe detecting life, maybe that's an important way. Maybe we're on the right track by just looking for our kind of life, because that's the only kind of life that really exists. And then the rubric for whether something is alive or Galvan is useless as f***, because everything is alive. If that's the case, sure, whatever. Go look at those episodes. You can find all so many sciencey episodes on the official website greatthoughts.info or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and anywhere else you get your podcast.

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Cristina: And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes, word of mouth. Tell everybody. Let them know that you know about a show that's gonna tell them about how we are aliens and that other kinds of aliens don't exist. And we proved that. We. We.

Cristina: So we're not aliens.

Jack: We're the aliens.

Cristina: Oh, we are the aliens. Yes, we are the aliens.

Jack: We are the aliens. We are not from Earth.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I mean, we literally are from Earth, but we were just born on Earth versus the origin of humanity being Earth.

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. Saint Isidor. He was the saint of the Internet. Not officially, though. Officially, he's the saint of students. And then unofficially Internet computer users, computer technicians and programmers.

Jack: So we're just basically talking about a saint that does. The saint of the Internet.

Cristina: Yes, of the Internet. It became. It was students and I guess over time it somehow ended up Internet.

Jack: So their powers aren't centric for anything. They're not focused on anything.

Cristina: Not really. He was a bad student. He prayed and then he became a really good, really smart man.

Jack: Like, could he take your fear of breastfeeding away if you wanted to?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: And thus he's just a saint. But like, he's known for school related things.

Cristina: So you pray him for school related things? Yeah, I don't know.

Jack: So thus he's a saint of. Yes, school related things.

Cristina: That's why St. Nick has a bunch of random crap. Good morning. Good morning, whoever. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 55: Kardashev Scale

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The Kardashev Scale is discussed. A scale which breaks down the development stages of civilizations from planetary to galactic and all the way up to universal based entirely on energy consumption capabilities.

Story:
In light of the recent discovery that there is life at Alpha Centuri, the clone duo head back to NASA headquarters to learn whether it’s possible to establish a mission there with a team of subhumans. While waiting for their scheduled meeting the duo sets up their equipment and begin to break down the Kardashev Scale in which civilizations are listed according to their power consumption and capacity with hopes of identifying where the aliens at Alpha Centuri fall.

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Topics Discussed

  • The Kardashev Scale
  • Life on Alpha Centuri
  • Colonizing Neighbor Planets
  • Terraforming
  • Mayans in Space
  • Space Exploration
  • Creating Planets
  • Galactic Exploration
  • Consuming Galaxies
  • StarTrek Borg
  • Catching Black Holes
  • Living Galaxies
  • Dyson Spheres
  • The Universe
  • The Multiverse
  • Universal Consciousness
  • Reality

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