Rambling 130: Human Aliens
/What if all the UFOs we’ve seen through the years weren’t being flown by alien lifeforms, but by ancient human astronauts that left Earth long ago? What if every ancient collapsed civilization was technologically advanced in ways we don’t understand? And what if each one managed to get a select group of people off the surface of Earth? The duo unpacks the theory of ancient human astronauts.
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Topics Discussed:
- Forgetfulness
- Pyramids of Giza
- Mayans
- Ancient Humans
- Generational Ships
- Humans From Mars
- Are 51
- Stonehenge
- The Great Void
Art by IG @Zero_Lupo
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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.
Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.
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Cristina: And also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.
Jack: Yes, it is very important that you find somebody to listen to this show with you. Can you imagine?
Cristina: There's no way you could keep doing that.
Jack: That would be great, though. Everything I say just happens. I. This. It sounds familiar, though.
Cristina: What the.
Jack: What kind of a. There's a show or something that did that. Everything he says sounds like this. Almost like you're somewhere between heavily restrained and extreme.
Cristina: Is it, like, from a cartoon or something?
Jack: Man, I don't know. I feel like it's a children's show. Maybe some crap like the reading Rainbow, but LeVar Burton never spoke like that, so it has to be some equivalent. It's not Mr. Rogers. He just spoke like a white guy.
Cristina: Are you positive it wasn't him?
Jack: No, it sounds more like this sounds more like a pedo who's just totally trying not to rape all the children that he's around them by.
Cristina: Doesn't sound familiar. Is it a hippie?
Jack: Is it a hippie? I don't know. It. It doesn't sound familiar to you? It totally sounds familiar to me. Like it's based on something. What children's show?
Cristina: Was it a movie?
Jack: No, I'm pretty sure it was a show.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: I'm like, pretty sure it was a show, but I don't know what show was. Yeah, but, yeah, tell people about the show.
Cristina: Tell everybody.
Jack: Let them know they should be listening to the show. It's very important.
Cristina: It sounds familiar. I just don't.
Jack: Yeah, I don't know what the f*** it is either.
Cristina: I don't know what that is.
Jack: It's weird. Well, here's the thing. People have an ability to remember without remembering.
Cristina: I don't know what does have to do with anything.
Jack: A good example is when you are about to try to talk and somebody's like, hey, what's the name of that thing? Yeah, and you're like, oh, f***, I know the name. I know the name. It's like it doesn't come out. You remember, like, you know what you're Trying to think of. But for whatever reason, you can't think of it.
Cristina: Mm. I forgot what that was called. We were talking about that in deja vu. For some reason, that was one of the things. Random.
Jack: Yeah, you're totally right. I remember that.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Interesting, man. I wonder, like, what the real engraved, like, psychology behind that is. Like, we know it's a phenomenon. My question is, like, what's causing that to happen in the first place?
Cristina: Death. I don't know. That's. That is a weird. That's a weird thing we do.
Jack: Yeah, it happens a lot, too. It's like, whatever you're trying to remember.
Cristina: The most, it's there. But some, like, you can't find it. I don't know. Your brain is a library, and you.
Jack: Can'T find the book.
Cristina: You can't find. Exactly.
Jack: Exactly. Like, it's there. And in fact, you know where the book is that you're looking or where should be. You know where the book should be, but it's misplaced.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Same thing happens. There's weird instances like that when you have your key or whatever, and you're, like, looking for your key while holding your keys. Like, wait a minute.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Or talking on your phone, telling somebody, I don't know where the f*** my phone is.
Cristina: What is that?
Jack: It's a weird lapse of, like, thought happening right there. It's a really weird thing that happens, but it goes to show the total stupidity of humanity.
Cristina: How is this.
Jack: Because it's like we're forgetting things we're actively remembering.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That's where we are. We're literally forgetting the thing we remember. We can't just remember it. We're so dumb. We're forgetting the thing we remember, man. It makes you wonder how we get.
Cristina: Anywhere because of that.
Jack: Yeah. Like, okay, how do we. How do we. How do we do anything, really? Right.
Cristina: Our memory isn't that crap. It's just really randomly that it's that crap.
Jack: Dude. We are part of the most. Or I guess the only. But relative to the rest of the world, we're one of the most technologically advanced locations in the face of the planet. Right. Obviously. Let's not count Singapore. Let's ignore Hong Kong, and let's ignore Japan for a moment. And South Korea. Basically. The Asians got it down. Specific Asians, but the Asians. Technology and advancement and just being advanced societies. Right?
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: We have such a technologically advanced giant masterpiece of civilization going on, and we did that despite being f****** stupid. That's kind of impressive because, again, we'll forget our keys while holding them.
Cristina: Yet somehow cities, the magic of writing it down. We got it all down somewhere. Meh, meh.
Jack: Like, how do we remember to write it down? How does anything work?
Cristina: How does anything work?
Jack: How does anything work?
Cristina: My memory's not that. Correct.
Jack: Look, we can't even figure out not killing each other.
Cristina: Most of us can. And some. I don't know that's true.
Jack: The same people who have the power to kill one another and do are the ones in charge of making the buildings. How do we get from point A to point B? Like, you're over here. Okay, yeah, some of us do. Yeah. None of those people have power. Everybody with self control, zero power.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So who gives a s***? Who gives a f*** how much control they have?
Cristina: Well, not everyone with power wants to murder everyone.
Jack: No. But everyone with power is kind of psychotic, kind of one way or another. So how the f*** do we get from point A to point B? We're the peak. Right now is the most advanced moment in all of history where all the technology is at its most advanced. All. Or whatever.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Like it has to be the f******. Like, man. We don't have the capacity. Right.
Cristina: No.
Jack: Like, let's. Let's think about this. If the pyramids were built by us, we had that level of intellect back then.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And we're better than we were then.
Cristina: Yes. Now that's what we assuming. Yes. Yeah.
Jack: That's why we just come to the conclusion that it was f****** aliens. Right.
Cristina: Because we can't figure that out.
Jack: Because we can't figure that out.
Cristina: We figured out before. We could totally figure it out.
Jack: The question is, here's a. Here's the real question. Here's your question. All jokes aside. Did we. Was it aliens?
Cristina: Was it aliens?
Jack: Was it aliens?
Cristina: Why would they want to do that?
Jack: I don't know.
Cristina: That's a waste of time for them.
Jack: What do you mean?
Cristina: Like, they came here and did what exactly?
Jack: I don't know why they came here, but one of the reasons. One of the things they left behind were something like the pyramids. Like, I'm 100% sure if aliens made the pyramids, it wasn't like, go down to Earth, make the pyramids. Aight. We out. Like, I'm definitely sure that's not how it went.
Cristina: So what would.
Jack: It's beyond our understanding, I guess.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But like, that's just one of the things that happened.
Cristina: Mm. You know, aliens came.
Jack: But. But the argument would be, what if there were aliens at all? What if we really did do it? Then how do we. How do we argue that point? Because we. Let's say. So, no aliens, right? We've never seen proof of aliens or anything. In fact, we find proof that people made these things more. We don't know how the f*** they did it. And that's why we're like, aliens did it. But it's like, okay, we have no evidence of aliens. Zero. In fact, we can prove people built it. We just don't know how they did it.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: So, okay, then we go further into the argument, right? And it's like, okay, well, aliens gave them the instructions, and where the f*** are the instructions? That means it's f****** possible. It's possible to be built by f****** humans. And if machines were used, where the f*** are those?
Cristina: I don't think so. I mean, wouldn't they have drawn the machines or something because they were drawing in there? Or that wasn't the people who made it?
Jack: Well, I don't know. Let's think about this real quick. We've seen. There have been episodes where we have looked into these. Like the Great Pyramid of Giza looked inside and see.
Cristina: Yes, there has been some weird.
Jack: There are drawings, and there's literally, like, power coils inside and s***. And it's like, okay, this is ancient. How do you have electrical mechanisms?
Cristina: All right, that could be something else. We're misunderstanding.
Jack: In fact, that's how we concluded that the Mayans did have electricity and thus went to the center of the Earth and connected to the matrix.
Cristina: Yes, that is true. So, but did they have the aliens help, or were they just that smart?
Jack: This. Look, here's my argument. Here's my argument about this, right? If we're perfectly reasonable and really, really think about this, I'm thinking that there are two groups of people. And when we talk about ancient advanced civilizations, we literally mean people that were there, that did not become us, that went extinct or left the planet, or like the Mayans connected to the f****** matrix at the center of the Earth or underground or whatever the f***.
Cristina: Or they flew away.
Jack: Or they flew away. Okay, but the argument would be that there was extremely advanced technology in civilizations that existed here ahead of time. That would be the real argument. And then that would explain things like Stonehenge and things like Machu Picchu and the Great Pyramid of. The great Pyramids of Giza and all that crap. This one called Puma, Puma Kamaku or some s*** like that.
Cristina: Oh, what?
Jack: All these weird ancient sites are just odd marvels of engineering that doesn't even make f****** sense.
Cristina: What does the Puma thing look like?
Jack: It's some sort of temple built in parts.
Cristina: Whaaat?
Jack: Basically, Puma Punku is one of the weirdest structures that exists on the planet because it has the layout of what would be different pieces of a temple.
Cristina: But they're not together.
Jack: They're not together as if you could in theory project a temple onto the layout. But the concept of a projector should only make sense if you have electricity and if you already know that you can turn that electricity into projected light. So like way further than we are now in technology.
Cristina: Are you sure? It looks like they just. It just looks like they just started building it and then like it doesn't look like anything really. It doesn't look like a complete.
Jack: No, no. The layouts that they have. So there, there's some blueprints where scientists and archaeologists, a bunch of people together, sort of crafted what this would look like all put together. And it looks like it's a complete structure. There was. There's some sort of temple that's built downward, but in an open area. Like they cut out a hole or some s*** in the ground into the ground. And the temple is also not complete, or it is complete, but it looks incomplete.
Cristina: Like that place.
Jack: No, not necessarily. It's in a area where there weren't any houses or anything. And they were thinking this was the house originally, but then they really looked at it and they called it the First Temple because there didn't seem to be any way to like live in this structure. Just like the walls were carved in a certain way and it was downward and you walk into like this worshipping area, I guess.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And it had a very similar structure to what's going on here, except this was built outside, not downward, but just upward in structure.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And it just brings up the question of, are the concepts that are taking place here the same between whatever the f*** the first temple was and Pama Punku? Because they have a very similar sort of aesthetic going.
Cristina: Were they in different parts of the world too? Like a lot of these things?
Jack: I have no idea. I just know the argument there was that they had this sort of similar structure. Difference is that one was completed, minus the like fact that it didn't have a ceiling or any protection from elements. While this place, very similar in structure, is missing the walls, is missing the ceiling, some of it has corroded away as well. Like there are parts that were there that with time worn off, but there are parts that were never there.
Cristina: It just looks like blocks to me. It just looks like it's a Lego toy or something. Like they could just move it around and make different places, like how big to move around.
Jack: And it was. It's buried into the ground. Yeah, yeah, it's very weird. This is a unique. So the idea here is, okay, so these complicated structures, we have them, they're this proof that weird things were made and we don't have the understanding of the purpose of these things. They just kind of exist. And the question is, then did we. Did we do and we have the intellect to do that and.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Are. Are those people the same people as we are? If they were real? Right.
Cristina: Okay, so where.
Jack: They're like Mayans left over the equal us, or are we like, not related?
Cristina: Like, okay, so like the humans, they're humans, but they're not us, they're other humans.
Jack: I don't know, I'm not entirely sure. Like, okay, so we got Neanderthal, and Neanderthal turns into humans or whatever. Okay, right, so were the Mayans Neanderthal? Did they come from the same thing? Did we go somewhere else and just evolve slower and the Mayans just evolved quicker and got the f*** off and we're over here still primitive? Yes, that's another way that could have played out.
Cristina: Okay, yes.
Jack: And if we stick to the idea that we're the only people that came from, like the. Humanity is the only source of life, Earth, then any phenomenon we experience came from here one way or another.
Cristina: I mean, maybe there's more than one human. Is that what we're talking about?
Jack: I guess the argument would be that there are different groups of humans if even if we all came from the same ancestor, when we spread out and settled wherever the f*** we settled, and then civilizations came to happen like Egypt or the Mayans or whatever. F*** all these different groups of people, they. We evolved at so drastic, such drastically different paces that some just had a lot of intellectual movement forward. The leaders were very open minded and promoting of advancements and things. And science happened quicker than we even have record of now.
Cristina: So long from what we have now.
Jack: Yes, so long ago that now any of the crap left is ancient garbage to us and we just don't understand it. But they weren't aliens. They were just humans. They were ancient humans, advanced civilizations. They weren't like Atlantis, Fish people? No, just humans. Yes, just humans. But we all came from the same place.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And then we spread out till there was enough tribes kind of wandering here and wandering there. Tribes are conflicting. There's too f****** many people. Tribes are Conflicting break off into pieces. Well, we think leadership should be like this. We go over here and. Well, we think leadership should be like that. We'll go over there.
Cristina: So it's not possible that we just murdered all these people.
Jack: Why would we have the capacity to. How would we murder somebody so much more technologically advanced? If we went with our guns right now to one of these untouched Brazilian tribes, how easy would it be for us to just extinct them? Effortless. A gun. One gun. One person with one gun?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Whole f****** civilization.
Cristina: I don't know what kind of weapons they had. These people?
Jack: These. No, we're assuming these people are advanced technologically. They definitely have ways of defending themselves from invaders. That's how they got so far.
Cristina: Mmm. Maybe. I guess.
Jack: Otherwise, any stride they made, they'd immediately become a target for anybody who wants that that couldn't figure it out themselves.
Cristina: Yeah, but they're not all, like, missing. They don't all have the same story. Like, the Mayans or something, Right?
Jack: Well.
Cristina: Or do they?
Jack: No, no, they don't necessarily all have. Like, the Mayans are a particularly weird case where just people f****** vanished.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: That's a weird one. Like, they're particularly odd. My argument would be that as we built things and people came to power, we would kick people out of areas, or particularly intelligence subgroups that led certain movements would then move out of their own region to go somewhere else outside of the reign of some kind of tyrannical moron.
Cristina: So they did have to, huh? What's the difference? They were probably murdered by.
Jack: I don't think they were murdered.
Cristina: I don't know why. Murdered is the solution of where they were.
Jack: Yes. In order for us to continue to advance and get to the points that we made structures that we don't even understand. They could not be dead no matter what. Death could not have been the solution.
Cristina: But they had to abandon everything they had and not take any of that with them. Like, the knowledge that they had.
Jack: Why would they abandon the knowledge?
Cristina: Like, where did it go?
Jack: Not anywhere we're looking.
Cristina: So you think it's out there somewhere?
Jack: Yeah. If we were to suddenly die and disappear, would the knowledge disappear with. Like, we'd take it with us. Even if we left every single book we have, if we left with all the people, the knowledge is within the people. We still have it. Like, we don't need the books. The people who know the things are still there. So, like, leaving all these things behind doesn't mean anything. On the flip side, we do still have proof of all these Things when we look at like the hieroglyphs showing us planes. And this shouldn't actually. Okay. Weird that we had these predictions ahead of time.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Like particularly complicated. You showed some before. Like f****** helicopters and hieroglyphs and spaceships and modern day planes.
Cristina: Those are ghost ships.
Jack: It's really weird. It could totally be ghost ships. But then there are so many complicated things. Like hieroglyphs of electrical components.
Cristina: What is that?
Jack: Current day electrical components.
Cristina: How can you tell?
Jack: Because they are identical to current day electrical components everywhere from like magnets use to induction coils. Copper wiring.
Cristina: They look the same. But they're not used the same way. Are they?
Jack: They would work exactly the same way. Especially in the fashion that these hieroglyphs depict. They are identical to how we would use them. Side by side with the image of these same things. We would perfectly be able to use that technology. Like if we had what they had in hieroglyphs.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: We could just plug it into one of our systems. Take a little adapting. But the system would function with the thing. Like it's not like they also had the exact same port.
Cristina: That'd be crazy. What if they. Those are computers? The. The pyramids are computers or something.
Jack: It's. Look. It's totally possible there was something like that. I never considered that. Because our first computers were ginormous.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: They were building sized. And that's like us with electricity everywhere all the time.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: To still not have figured it out. So it's totally possible that these. Because we know the pyramids were rigged with electrical components. For what purpose? We don't know.
Cristina: For lighting maybe. That kind of makes sense.
Jack: That could totally make sense. Could have been for lighting. But I guess then not for computers if that's the case.
Cristina: But it'd be way cooler if it's for computers.
Jack: Yeah. I don't know why you defeat your own argument.
Cristina: No. I'm just saying that that's maybe a little more realistic. I don't know.
Jack: Yeah. It would. It makes sense if it was for a computer. Because of the size of a pyramid.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But then we're arguing that in seeing this we're looking at an iceberg scenario.
Jack: Where we're seeing only the top half of something. Because where is it plugged into? It has to be underground. Right. So if that's just a part of the computer. How big is where the computer is connected to it must be ginormous.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: There must be the possibility that there's an entire underground civilization just to operate this computer.
Cristina: So it might Be like what we thought about the mines, that they might be plugged in under the pyramids.
Jack: Totally. Could be. What did we establish whether or not the Mayans had electrical components?
Cristina: I don't think so.
Jack: We know the Egyptians did.
Cristina: Yes. Oh, man. You don't know though.
Jack: I don't know. But we know they were ridiculously advanced. That's why they're probably plugged in down there. But then the question here becomes, are all ancient advanced civilizations plugging in? Is that the logical conclusion? Because look, this is what we got to think about. We had recently a conversation, I think it was, when we were talking about the comparison of AI to human capacity. Right. Is it. It's. It's impractical to travel the universe as a human meat bag.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: The necessities are ridiculous. It's impossible. And you need generational ships because the s***** lifespan of a human. It makes more sense to be a robot.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Or to simulate the universe and travel it that way.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: That then makes way more sense than being a f****** meatbag. Yes. And time works differently at those scopes too. You could blink across infinitely large distances.
Cristina: And you think that's what they're doing.
Jack: It would make more sense to do that than explore the universe. And you could divide into two groups of people in this underground civilization, right?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: There are the people who are plugged in, already exploring, maybe in these explorations, coming across interesting technological advancements that they could then bring out of the system that they're making them in. And then the people who don't connect who are outside consistently making more strides away from the reign of whoever is a leader on top, doing dumb s*** regularly and causing wars and bullshit. Right?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So that then underground, safe from stupidity and just science underground, you have, between these two groups of people making giant strides technologically, the capacity to maybe move your mind either into some robotic, like body thing or augment throughout that entire process gradually. Since you already have people connected, you could continue to work on their body, little by little, turning it more and more and more mechanical, until you find the last component after their whole body's there and you put their mind into that little last piece, and then over time, you made them fully mechanical. And then those people could be the ones who leave the planet.
Cristina: For real?
Jack: For real. To then explore the reality that is.
Cristina: And you think every human just ends up there because what if we're going there? What if that's happening right now?
Jack: I think we'll eventually come to the conclusion that we cannot explore the universe realistically and that It's a waste of time and energy to try to colonize everything. And my theory is that maybe we figured this out before did the whole space exploration thing. That's why we find weird things on the moon. That's why we find weird things on Mars. But we were on Mars when it was green. And maybe what we're doing to Earth we did to Mars. And now it's crazy dry.
Jack: The way.
Cristina: So we ruined Mars and then we came here and then we ruined Earth. Oh no, well no, no, okay.
Jack: No, we did not come from Mars. We went to Mars.
Cristina: We just went to Mars.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: On the flip side, how interesting that you would say that because I didn't think about that at all. I just figured we went to Mars and did the same thing that we did here because Mars was. But I guess it would make sense that Earth wasn't in habitable inhabitable while Mars was. So we were originally living on Mars and this is the second planet.
Cristina: Yeah, why not?
Jack: And now we're doing the same s***.
Cristina: Because isn't that how they think Earth and the moon were involved with Mars? Was it Mars?
Jack: No, it was just Earth and the moon.
Cristina: Oh, it was two different planets.
Jack: Crash and created.
Cristina: Oh, okay. Oh, okay, okay, that's tricking. So okay, well yeah. What if we were in Mars first? Who knows?
Jack: Yeah. We could have dried that planet out, then come to Earth. And in being on Earth, slowly over the millennia centuries turned into the shithole that it is now.
Cristina: That it'll eventually become Mars again.
Jack: That it will eventually become another Mars. And we're just kind of, I guess we're moving closer to the sun, but we can't move any closer. So I guess the next one would be Europa where we do the whole f****** leap again. We're already looking in that direction.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: So what, what's the stretch to say we go over there now the question is. Right, right, right. So we have this whole scenario.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: We have advanced civilizations forming in pockets all over the world. It seems that the consistency as they go underground, they start making advanced technologies. Well they first make civilization. Civilizations need leaders. You take the brainiest people, they go into hiding as they sort of run the world from secrecy. We have a lot of that going on right now.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: All we know we already have crazy advance. We think there's hidden technologies and everything. Maybe we do have those scenarios already.
Cristina: Ex.
Jack: What if we do and they're underground doing the things they have to do, slowly converting people so that we can then truly explore.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And we got Examples of that on Earth. We could have come from a different planet as well. Panspermia is one of the main things we believe is the reason that there is life here at all. And Mars was once an Earth like place. We come to Earth, we're slowly drying it out. Now we're looking at Europa in our lifetimes, in our, you know, giant gap of whatever the f*** time that there is. We're looking at the next place that we're going to go. We have technologies being formed. Everything is happening as would make sense in the scenario that we're discussing.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: So then this is played out multiple times.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: We're living a cycle, even if at a grander scale.
Cristina: Interesting. Yeah.
Jack: And we keep bouncing around the same system. Maybe Mars wasn't the first one.
Cristina: What if.
Jack: Yeah, it could just been one of the many. We don't know where it began, but it doesn't have to have been Mars. It's just the easiest one to trace because of the giant time span between two points.
Cristina: Yeah. Wonder if it's possible.
Jack: I get like, we barely have ability to tell the things that are on Earth from how old Earth is and how long ago those civilizations were.
Cristina: Yes. But do you think we'll ever have the technology to explore those things that we can't explore now?
Jack: Like what?
Cristina: Like what's under the Earth or whatever. All of it, all the mysteries we have. Do you think we'll ever figure it out? Do you think we'll ever figure out the. The pyramids and whatever?
Jack: I don't know.
Cristina: That's lost.
Jack: Like, I don't think it's lost. I think somebody has it. I don't think we do.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: I think we are continuously leaving the planet.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Small groups figure it out and they take off.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: A great example is the space race or our current moment where every country's trying to get to space or whatever. I think sometimes civilizations just figure it out and they just take off.
Cristina: They just abandon everyone else.
Jack: Yes. Assuming that there is only one instance of life, it is the same group of life that's doing everything. The question is, how far back in time are we talking? If Earth wasn't the first, although humans were always the first, then the humans that happened on Earth are just the ancestors or are just sort of the next stage of whatever came. The ancestors that arrived.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That could have come from Mars. And if Mars isn't the first, what planet did they come from? Assuming they were on some planet. It was like Mercury or some s***. I don't f****** know. Some other Planet in our system that was, for whatever reason, inhabitable at that point. If we keep rewinding, how far back.
Cristina: Does it go from? Yeah.
Jack: Not just how. Like how long. If we keep going back, who cares what planet? We won't be able to pin it down. There's too much crap on this. In the solar system, how far back would we go? And if at all times, every couple million years, somebody jumps out to explore because they made it. They got. They beat all the hurdles to become technologically prepared to truly explore. They're like robots. They're the Borg now. They could survive any scenario. They just keep flying off and this happens over and over and over and over. So then how far back in time?
Cristina: Huh? We could have been doing this forever.
Jack: We could have been doing this forever.
Cristina: Huh?
Jack: Which then tells us that there's two different versions of things happening. One is where everybody plugs in trying to get there. The other one is where they've made it and they do actually go. Usually those have to be the same civilizations because it doesn't seem efficient to just keep going out, losing people and technology, trying to figure out how to go outward. We know balance needs to be established in nature. You need to know one to know the other. But us at this moment are just trying to go out, not figuring that part out. I think the only time we're really gonna figure out leaving this planet truly is when we figure out simulating the universe virtually.
Cristina: And we are working on that, too.
Jack: We got a million things like that. That's what the space engine is. We have accurate depictions of s***. Like there are things out there.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But we don't have the ability to plug in as if it's the universe and explore accurately.
Cristina: Huh? What if we had VR goggles into that?
Jack: Not really. It's not real enough. We gotta be able to, like, plug in Matrix style.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So that it's a universe. And in that universe, we then discover the technologies at a faster pace, bring them out of the program, and apply them in our actual base reality to then use that to navigate the stars.
Cristina: I feel like we probably have that. That seems like that place that everyone talks about aliens, but what if it's not aliens? What if it's us?
Jack: Area 51.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Holy s***. I didn't think about that. Holy s***. You think Area 51 is just people plugged in, exploring the universe? Yeah, that makes sense.
Cristina: That's where all this strange technology that is supposedly alien like. But what if it's not?
Jack: What if it's not? What if there are no f****** aliens. What if it's just us really doing crazy s*** and bring like, we need these people to not go anywhere and they need to have volunteered for it. So they're just dedicating their lives to science. They connect into this matrix, discover things in a fictional world that is identical to our real world, bring it out, apply it, and then we use it to advance our technologies rapidly.
Cristina: Yeah, I feel like whoever's in that machine might go crazy. Like that guy that thinks that there was aliens and he was hanging out, maybe his brain got a little messed up by using that machine too long.
Jack: Could totally be.
Cristina: Because I feel like that's way too much information though, for a human brain. Our brains are limited.
Jack: I don't think it's too much information for the brain. I think it's the exact same amount of information you'd normally get. You're just getting it in a simulated fashion.
Cristina: In a simulated fashion. That is so crazy. That's cool.
Jack: But then we can go out now. That makes it possible. We go in to go out. And if Area 51 just has a bunch of people plugged in exploring things, mm, well, f***, that's cool. Because at some point that technology is going to help us really get the h*** out of here. We have the Elon Musk's thinking they're going to do it. NASA over here thinking they're going to do it. None of that s*** makes sense. Area 51 though, always crazy. Advanced technology.
Cristina: Yes. What about those alien spaceships though that we are seeing? I guess UFOs. It's not aliens.
Jack: UFOs figuring out how to move faster. Yeah, that's all it really is. But then the question still stands. How far back do we go?
Cristina: How far back?
Jack: Yes. Because if at all points on every planet that we're on, little patches of people, after they complete the merger to mechanical and robotic AI type of human, they can travel space and use solar energy to stay alive and just explore, right?
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Can we go far back enough to say that we have examples in space of humans that made it really, really, really far?
Cristina: Do we have examples?
Jack: Yes. Particularly if we look far back enough into space. We see a star that blinks consistently. And people have said the possibility that it's a Dyson sphere is pretty high. We can't say for sure because we have no proof of anything and we'd never be able to prove that.
Cristina: But if we were able to prove.
Jack: It, would that be a Dyson sphere.
Cristina: And would that be humans in it?
Jack: A Dyson sphere doesn't have humans in it? Not humans, but no, it doesn't have anything in it.
Cristina: On it.
Jack: It has a star inside a Dyson sphere to trap energy.
Cristina: Well, don't people live on it or something? No.
Jack: You want to get scorched like that?
Cristina: No. Okay. I thought that's what that was. I don't know.
Jack: No. Dyson spheres to harness the power of the sun.
Cristina: And they live somewhere else.
Jack: You trap the star in a bubble.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And then gather all the energy and you use that energy for other stuff. You. Yeah. You teleport that energy wherever you need it. You move it.
Cristina: Teleport it. Okay.
Jack: I mean, not teleport literally, but you, like, take batteries and charge them and go.
Cristina: Okay, so the space station.
Jack: Don't even need space stations. You could just have a planet nearby.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And you have infinite energy.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Simple.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It's way easier than you're trying to make it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Super simple, but okay. That's far back enough. How long has that been there? How long would it take to make a Dyson sphere? That gives us a good estimate of how long we've been around.
Jack: If that's humans, like, we're assuming we started on the star. But if we go far back enough. Are humans predating the sun?
Cristina: That's crazy.
Jack: If we are, because we're right now just thinking planet to planet. Okay. If we rewind far back enough, how far back do we go before it doesn't make sense to even talk about the sun.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: So we have to be somewhere else.
Cristina: What proof is there?
Jack: There is no proof. But again, if we assume.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: The same set of rules apply. We can rewind this far back. We just have to prove whatever we're looking at as human to say that. There's no f****** way we started on the star. If Dyson sphere. Human, then no way. The sun is where we began. That's too far back. They needed time. The distance alone would be impossible for us. Impossible for something millions of years ahead of us.
Cristina: Man, that could be us. I don't know. That's crazy.
Jack: But then there's a crazier example.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Which is the great void.
Cristina: That. Oh, yes. What would that be?
Jack: It's many, many, many, many, many Dyson spheres.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Surrounding many stars. And I believe it's actually so ridiculous. There might be galaxies in there, but that.
Cristina: We can't see any of that.
Jack: We can't see anything in that direction.
Cristina: But it could be just Dyson feet.
Jack: Just Dyson spheres blocking out all the light coming from that direction.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: There's definitely something. If it's not human, then there's f****** aliens out there just colonizing that whole f****** patch of space.
Cristina: If it's just us colonizing it, it.
Jack: Could just be us colonizing it. Maybe we are the only instance of life. Maybe there's one origin point and it works like this. We began somewhere. I don't know where humans began somewhere or life began in one place. Life, Life began in one place and only one place. And those people went somewhere and they kept repeatedly, anytime they would reach a peak, leave, and then anybody left has to restart and try to build their way out again.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Then they go and then smart people left. Okay, we gotta start over.
Cristina: Didn't Star Trek talk about sort of kind of hinted to this in one of their episodes?
Jack: I think, I think so. Did Alien.
Cristina: An alien? Yeah. Tried. I'm not sure if any of them.
Jack: Did a great job. I don't think it's intentional.
Cristina: No.
Jack: In any manner, shape or form. While in both Star Trek and Alien it was.
Cristina: Yeah. It's just, it's somehow in our nature to want to do this over and over again. It has nothing to do with it like programmed into us.
Jack: No, no, no. What I mean is that in Star Trek and Alien they chose planets and they went and dropped the seeds in water.
Cristina: Okay. Yeah.
Jack: They chose oceans. And they're like, humans will happen. Yes, we're not humans, but you know, intelligent life will come from those. In the scenario I'm talking about that was never the f****** planet. It's just the byproduct of the behavior. We go somewhere, abandon those who aren't good enough. They, without the hyper intelligent ones that left, have only these relics to deal with. They gotta figure it out themselves. They don't figure it out. They start over going a new direction. These people then land as far as they can possibly get and try to figure out again a new process. So this, we spread out a little, everybody's forced to restart. Then from that they spread out a little again, everybody's forced to reset. That keeps repeating, repeating, repeating, repeating.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So that something that looks nothing like us a billion trillion miles away is.
Cristina: Us somehow related to us.
Jack: We're somehow related.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And we're coming from the same places.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: We just don't know where that point of origin is. Especially because we're probably consistently forgetting.
Cristina: Mm. But isn't it interesting if we did all have the same goal to go.
Jack: Out, that would be the most fascinating part. Why do we keep repeating the same behavior without some sort of Rules that.
Cristina: Left behind put that in us. Or is that just nature?
Jack: I doubt they programmed anything into anybody. I think it's just for whatever reason. Driven.
Cristina: Yeah, driven. Have the same driving force.
Jack: Yes, exactly. Some instinctual thing that. And the craziest part is it would just get reinforced.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Because those who left survived.
Cristina: Yes. They'll do the same thing over there.
Jack: You can do the same thing.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So we have to be the ancestors of some travelers, which means moving is the reason they stayed alive. And we could be a multi planetary, maybe even multi star system, multi galactic civilization. We don't know. But we have the drive to keep going and to move forward and to go to the next place. Why?
Cristina: That's all. It's strange because it's not just us. It's anything anywhere else that they accidentally left something like us there. They'd also want to go to space and.
Jack: Yeah. It would be like if all the smartest people in the world became robotic, left Earth, and then the rest of us are left behind. I couldn't tell you how to build a computer.
Cristina: No.
Jack: Not off the top of my head. I can't tell you how to build a power plant. I can't. No. We're gonna take the parts of what we have. We're gonna ignore anything we cannot comprehend, and we're gonna use the parts we can figure out. We're gonna take the parts we can understand. We're gonna grab all the people who can understand them as much as we can, and anything that doesn't work will just get lost. Anything we can't figure out without the.
Cristina: Smartest people in the world have something.
Jack: New or have something new.
Cristina: It'll be similar but different.
Jack: Yes. We're gonna have a very. This is going to be missing the parts we couldn't figure out.
Cristina: Yes. That could be the pyramids too, because they're all similar but different.
Jack: Like, we can tell you how a lot of it was made, what requirements are, and not explain how they did it, how they did the thing we think would be required to do that. We could build those easily right now. We don't know how they build those. We just know that they're built and we know how to build it now. And we know back then they couldn't have done it based on what we understand of them. Yes, but we just simply don't understand. That's all that there is.
Cristina: We just not understanding because they're smartest people went away.
Jack: Because the smartest people went away, that information got lost.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: They took it with them. But we don't have access to it. And the little people there don't know how the f***.
Cristina: Yeah, I mean, it's possible that they went away, but they left it for those people. But they didn't understand. Yeah, like, if scientists went away, they wouldn't take all their info with them. They.
Jack: No, I also don't believe they'd be like, it's for you.
Cristina: Like, even if they did, though, we wouldn't understand it.
Jack: Yeah, 100%. But I doubt they're just like. I'm sure they're leaving in secrecy half the time.
Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah. I guess it would be more secret, like. Yeah.
Jack: We're gonna send these people out. They're gonna go explore. Like, how many times right now in our own lifetime have we probably sent people out if what we're seeing from Area 51 and these UFO are just really things to explore space. And this Bob Lazar guy really saw things that he thought were aliens. Maybe those are just modified humans. What if those are modified humans who can last in space, vast distances, vehicles that could move crazy distances in short amounts of time. How many people have we sent? All in secrecy because we're not ready for it.
Cristina: No.
Jack: And then eventually we shut down programs. We already got enough people out there. They're gonna report back whenever they do. And then eventually we lose communication because it went too far, and they go somewhere else and they begin all over.
Cristina: Yes, that's. That's definitely how it is.
Jack: And then we sort of keep spreading and keep multiplying and lose awareness of who and what and where.
Cristina: You wouldn't even notice that they're gone.
Jack: No.
Cristina: We would never know something's wrong.
Jack: We wouldn't. We wouldn't even know people left.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: We have no idea this is even happening.
Cristina: No.
Jack: Meanwhile, they're out there colonizing planets, starting small civilizations. A small ship with 30 people went somewhere, and now they start this new thing, and that's gonna turn into the next big thing.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And this happens over and over. Once they start, they bail. They're like, okay, maybe there isn't. Maybe there is intentional as well. It's combination. It's like, okay, we are the troop who are gonna go. We're gonna create life. We're gonna have babies here.
Cristina: What?
Jack: We've a bunch of babies, and then we're gonna bail and keep going. We're not gonna let them know that we have the technology to leave. We're just gonna have a bunch of babies, move somewhere else on the planet where our technology doesn't get the F*** off the planet. And they're gonna keep having babies and they're gonna populate a planet and.
Cristina: Yeah, I don't know, that's. I guess that's a possibility too.
Jack: And then that happens over and over and over, over and over and over and over. And different starting points, different technological starting.
Cristina: Points because they gotta leave something behind to keep those people alive. Yeah.
Jack: They're not just abandoning. They had to be there long enough to have shelter to start families for them to get old enough to survive. Like they're gonna be there a while.
Cristina: Because they're, they're pro. The person that's there, though, is probably not the person that's gonna leave anyway.
Jack: Assuming they've already developed the technology to travel crazy large distances. They're not necessarily alive. Fully human. Yeah.
Cristina: They're not humans. Yes. Okay.
Jack: They're just creating humans who then, to survive, because it's instinct, are going to get to that same point where they're going to try to get out.
Cristina: Yes. These people are kind of like they're the aliens. But that's us.
Jack: That's us. It's just they're so different. And so the argument would be if we saw anyone anywhere in space, it's us.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: In one manner, shape or form, it's us.
Cristina: Why not? I think so. It's. We'd have to take a DNA test.
Jack: Yeah. And it goes back to the idea that we do have the possibility that there were really absurdly advanced civilizations here. From giant, giant leaps back in time. Huge, huge jumps. Different periods of time unrelated to one another. Whole advanced civilizations, giant things. Mayans, Egyptians, the Roman Empire, the Aztecs. Just a whole bunch of different crazy advanced, mega large civilizations.
Cristina: The Aztecs, Is that near the Mayans? Are those two different things?
Jack: I think so.
Cristina: I don't know. There are a lot.
Jack: There are a lot of instances of crazy.
Cristina: Like that giant square thing that you just showed me. Puma Punka. That's a place. That's an interesting looking place.
Jack: Yeah, it's an interesting look. But all these places are really weird. Like all these interesting structures that we have no recollection of what or why or how. We just know that.
Cristina: What's proof of giants? What if they're just giants who are making dollhouses? Those are children's toys to them.
Jack: You know how big? It's impossible. No, we can prove that wrong. There would be nothing that could sustain itself being the size necessary because of our atmosphere, the size of our planet, our gravitational pull, our bodies are optimal for where we live.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: All Those things have to be considered.
Cristina: Giants couldn't survive.
Jack: It could not exist. They would never evolve.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: The biggest of things that were here are believe insects long ago. And they were maybe the size of like giraffes.
Cristina: Okay, then why does everyone have a story about giants? Where does that come from?
Jack: F****** idiots. I don't know.
Cristina: Religion, I get. Yes, religions have that. But a lot of folklore.
Jack: Folklore is usually based on religion. In fact, religions are composed of folklore.
Cristina: Yes, it works both ways, I guess. But. Okay. And those giant drawings? Giants drew those drawings with a stick.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: What place is. What place is that one?
Jack: The Smachu Picchu.
Cristina: Is it like a maze? Is that buildings?
Jack: Yeah, there's tiny little structures. It's kind of like a maze. It's so odd place. We don't. Another place that we don't know what the f*** or why or why.
Cristina: It's built in a very nice looking location.
Jack: Yep. The weirdest thing about this place is how the f*** did it get up there? Oh, it's the tip. Tip of a f****** mountain. The stone that's up there.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Not easy.
Cristina: Not easy. Not easy.
Jack: Not easy. That took the craziest amount of slave work or something. Up a mountain. You're in the desert. You're in the desert. Flat. You're in a f****** desert. Machu Picchu. Up the side of a g****** mountain.
Cristina: What. What do they. What do they need to make these stones though? Do they need water? Is there water underneath the mountain or something? Or near the mountain?
Jack: What do you mean? To pull giant slabs of stones up a mountain?
Cristina: Yes. No, to make them. To make the stone. Like they at least made it near the area.
Jack: No, I don't think the stones were made in the area. I think they were moved there similar to Stonehenge. Like those rocks are not from there.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: Like travel quite the distance again. We can make every single stone in Stonehenge.
Cristina: But how did they get there?
Jack: We could shape them the same way we could. But we have. We. That rock doesn't exist there. We have to go far, make the f****** rock out of the right material. Then get it there from quite the distance right now would take days with cars. And we have wheels to put it on top of.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And engines that will speed the process up. And it would take us f****** days.
Jack: Without wheels and going 60 miles per hour on highways. How the f***.
Cristina: I don't know. Especially I don't know what's happening there. I don't know.
Jack: It's crazy.
Cristina: Crazy.
Jack: But we've lost all this Information.
Cristina: But what is underground? People check underground. Right? Like under the pyramid. What if there's.
Jack: Here's the problem. You're not allowed to. Because there's. There are these types of very important structures. You're not allowed to destroy these amazing structures.
Cristina: Yes. Okay, I see.
Jack: So there's only so much you can do.
Cristina: Yeah. You don't wanna.
Jack: You could explore openings.
Cristina: Yeah. But making a new opening problematic. Okay.
Jack: You don't want to just be the a****** who dug a hole and broke something.
Cristina: Yeah. Like something accidentally just makes the whole pyramid.
Jack: But that's the weirdest part because that's a rule that's f****** us up. Maybe there is something to understand. But we have this thing about preserving history more than we have a need to investigate it.
Cristina: That does suck, man. But I don't want them to destroy. I don't know what's more interesting. To see if there is something underneath or to keep what's there.
Jack: So we keep the structure and then we never discover the technology that's underneath it. Or we discover there was never any technology underneath it.
Cristina: That's what I was gonna say. Like what if you destroy it and then there's nothing to find?
Jack: There's nothing.
Cristina: Then is it worth it? I don't know. We'll have robots to do that for us to be able to go and not break anything.
Jack: How would a robot know?
Cristina: How would a robot know? I don't know.
Jack: It's guesswork. It's guesswork. There's nothing. There's no right or wrong here.
Cristina: Yeah. Mmm.
Jack: I do believe it's possible we did came. Come from another planet though. Again, we're driven. We're driven. We have the drive to get the f*** off of Earth.
Cristina: So maybe we've done it.
Jack: Maybe we've done it multiple times. And again there. There's quite a couple of origin stories for Earth. Did we come from South America? Did we come from China? Did we come from Australia? Did we come from Mars? Mars? Did we come from. Well, I'm not actually even talking about a different planet at the moment. I'm saying just on Earth. We have a bunch of different locations.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: How the f*** did that happen? Unless arrival from outside of Earth happened and they settled in different locations.
Cristina: Oh, I didn't even think of that. That's interesting.
Jack: Yeah. There were just different groups arriving. Some landed in China. Some landed in Africa and Egypt.
Cristina: South America.
Jack: South America just landing on Earth.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Civilizations starting from those people in different parts. They bail after there's enough people to continue these civilizations Moving forward.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And we get where we are today, where we don't even know the origin. We're like, no, we started the Earth. No, we started the Earth. And it's like, no, everybody did because they were different people at different times.
Cristina: What if. Whoa, man. And eventually we'll do that.
Jack: And eventually we'll do that. And maybe we send a ship with 30 people out and as we're traveling, because now we have the capacity. We're not gonna die. Or at least we're gonna live way longer.
Cristina: We're gonna have robot bodies, and we could.
Jack: Two of us are gonna land on this planet with all the technology, and then the ship is gonna keep going.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Two, you're gonna land over there. Ship is gonna keep going. Maybe it was Mars and Earth, but.
Cristina: Mars dried up because they found.
Jack: So they bailed on Mars and came to Earth.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And thus many different timelines of beginning.
Cristina: Because not everyone could do this anyway. I'm guessing, like, there's a lot of us out there, and some of us had to have died by now.
Jack: Yep. So, yeah, you land, you get as far as you can. Then things go wrong.
Cristina: Yes. We're just lucky to be where.
Jack: No, the planet's drying up too. But we're also trying to get off of it.
Cristina: Yeah, that's true. We're not really succeeding, but we don't know. And when someone has succeeded, if they did leave. So, yeah, there's probably a few succeed.
Jack: Like maybe just getting off equals succeeding.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: We're not. And not all of us are gonna make it. But that any failure happened.
Cristina: No.
Jack: You just need to keep moving and keep making more. Maybe we are the sacrifice for the advancement of the collective.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: If it did happen before, if it did happen, then we've already escaped a single star blowing up, killing us.
Cristina: Mm. And it probably happened more than once here on this planet.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: It might have happened.
Jack: It might have happened in Egypt. It might have happened in with the Mayans. It might have happened with the Aztecs. It could have happened several times over different civilizations that had technologies we don't comprehend and did things that we think we could figure out or can't figure, that we know all the parts except one thing, and we lost that knowledge somehow.
Cristina: Yeah. If we are doing it now, we would have no idea.
Jack: And we have no idea because they're not telling us. Because it would be problematic.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And in those situations, I think would be the same case. It would be problematic to tell everybody that some people are gonna leave. Oh. And Earth is gonna die.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Maybe they thought the same thing. But it's like, we don't know when it's gonna die. Maybe right now we're like, oh, it's gonna happen now.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And the humans they left behind figured out how to solve the global warming problem.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But then they forget. After millions of years of it not being a problem.
Cristina: That's true.
Jack: And then it starts building up as a problem again.
Cristina: So we can solve that problem. But we probably also had people leave just in case.
Jack: Just in case we don't solve it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Well, and then that thing is always happening, and eventually it will collapse and eventually the planet will dry up and it will die. But enough of them left, and they took enough of what happened on this planet.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So, you know, we look back at the great void that could have been some of the earliest success stories.
Cristina: That's so cool. But when it comes to, say, they are connecting to something, the thing that they're connected to wouldn't be connected to anyone else. It's just their little bubble.
Jack: Yes. It would be that they invented something that they're connecting to, like a mainframe or computer or something. Like, if you don't connect your computer to the Internet, nothing's getting in.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And you're connecting to that computer. So if they made their own computer and they all connected to that, they're perfectly fine. There's no outside influence. They're not getting to any outside.
Cristina: But if we figured out how that worked, like, if we really found out that it was a computer, would we be able to go into their computer?
Jack: If we found their computer.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And then we understood how they did it.
Cristina: We still have to understand that. Yes. Yes. For sure. But it would be possible that maybe. I don't know. This is a crazy idea. If they have a computer. If it's a computer, that's crazy.
Jack: But it goes to answer the question of fermius paradox. Where are they?
Cristina: They're here.
Jack: Well, they're here. We are they.
Cristina: We are they. We are them.
Jack: We are they. Where are they? We are they.
Cristina: We are they. And we are everywhere.
Jack: Yep. And we're just the primitive ones.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And they're not coming in our direction because they already passed this f****** spot.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It's our job to get the h*** out of it.
Cristina: Well, not us specifically. We are the failures in the story.
Jack: Oh, why?
Cristina: Because we're not the scientists that are getting off.
Jack: Why does that make us the failures?
Cristina: Because we're just gonna be here. I mean, if that's succeeding, I guess. I don't know what?
Jack: I don't know. What's the, the obsession with the failure mentality? What is the failure here? Some people go and make other stuff and then some people save the planet.
Cristina: Well, if we don't get to that part, I guess would be a failure. If we don't save the planet.
Jack: No, because people still moved out to make sure that our branch of humanity remains.
Cristina: I guess.
Jack: Where is the failure?
Jack: They're not winning. They're just doing something else.
Cristina: Yeah. It just feels like they're winning.
Jack: Why? Because space exploration.
Cristina: Yes. That's so cool.
Jack: What about the Matrix? It's better than space. Get further, faster, in less time, do more, I guess.
Cristina: Okay, they're winning. Okay, no one's winning.
Jack: No one's winning. It's just doing different things.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Some people are connected to a matrix coming up with technologies that they give to the people who are going to go out into space, colonize new planets and then us, ignorant of all the details, try to keep our.
Cristina: Yeah, I guess. It's its own balance. Yeah. Going on.
Jack: It works. All the parts work. Everything has a purpose, everything has its place.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But it comes from the possibility that all these ancient civilizations were, in fact, not aliens, that none of this was built by aliens, but rather humans developing the technology to do it. And again, no. None of these civilizations landed here and built the thing. No, they landed here, became a civilization, the civilizations built the thing, then they leave. Information gets lost. We take what we can remember, move forward with it, knowledge disappears, and then we have a whole new thing. And this happens over and over and we recycle it over and over and over and over.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And what we lose, we lose.
Cristina: What we lose, we lose. Yeah. Yes.
Jack: We're gonna land there again. Somehow, Egyptians and Mayans both did it. They were not related.
Cristina: Yeah. So we could do it.
Jack: Yeah, we're gonna get there again.
Cristina: It's hard to say if we are there.
Jack: It's hard. We could totally be there. Because there's no reason we should know.
Cristina: Exactly.
Jack: So in the case, particularly of the Mayans, it is possible they connected. They did what they had to do. We know that their pyramids had weird trapdoors and s***. Not sure why our assumption was rocket ships because they were huge f****** holes and that they could take off now. Where the f*** are any of the mines? We know the Egyptians kept moving forward, that led to a bunch of people. Where the f*** did the Mayans go?
Cristina: They're asleep in their computer chamber.
Jack: Either that or they took off. Maybe both.
Cristina: Both.
Jack: And the Ones that were left, some kind of event happened that got rid of all of them.
Cristina: Yeah, probably. Like what happened in Plymouth, where it just a huge, unpredictable winter storm.
Jack: 100%.
Cristina: It could just happen. The weather.
Jack: Yeah. And those who prepared in other ways survived.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Leave the planet or go underground and connect. If they were the ones who went underground in an event like that, they died too.
Cristina: If they didn't go underground.
Jack: If they did go underground, those people died.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: But the ones that went out into space didn't have to deal with the planet's climate.
Cristina: Yeah. And the ones that were there just. Yeah, that could be it.
Jack: We know many civilizations could have accomplished these same things. And we see the technology in written in things of the past. Biblical texts say it. Hieroglyphs depict technologies that we don't f****** like. How the f*** did you guys know? Even if we don't go crazy, far back before we had things, we're talking about Leonardo da Vinci having incredibly detailed drawings of things that we figured out in our lifetime. And he had the blueprint for how these things would work. And they did now.
Cristina: Yes. So then is it just in our DNA then? If he could do it without the science of now, you could just write it all out. Like, where did that come from?
Jack: Smarts, piecing things together.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Assuming if this and that. Anyways, we are definitely running out of time right now.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But I do think that's a fascinating idea to play with. Possibility that humans came from elsewhere in a repetitive cycle of dropping people everywhere to kind of keep expanding the human race. With enough time, you know, it's gonna keep multiplying, keep multiplying, keep multiplying. You could do faster and faster and faster and faster. Every time you just drop a couple of people here, a couple of people there.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Over years, come back a millennia later, boom. Planet filled with people.
Cristina: But would they come back, do you think?
Jack: They don't really come back. They're just flying through the area or whatever.
Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty cool. But do they? Like what? I don't know. It's just so many questions, but there's no way anyone could answer. So it doesn't matter.
Jack: We just know there are advanced civilizations. Whether they were too technologically advanced in the ways we can picture, probably not. We don't know. They have depictions of electrical components. They have things rigged with electrical devices. Like the pyramids.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So why, like, is that the case? We don't know.
Cristina: No.
Jack: But we know that it happened many times across the world at different times, with unrelated People who should not have been able to contact each other because they were too far apart too long ago. And if that's the case, then it's possible that they were different landings, which is possible. We came from different locations. Maybe some from Mars, maybe some landed on Earth, Maybe some people were elsewhere in the solar system and Earth was the only destination. Everything was drying up everywhere, freezing over, and it was like, earth is in the right spot. Let's go there.
Cristina: Earth is in the Goldilocks zone.
Jack: Goldilocks zone. So we get some people who came from Mars, some people from here, some people from over there, some people. And then different times they land on Earth and then they start. So we got different origin stories. Anyways, if you guys want to actually look at the episode of the. With the Mayans that we were just talking about, we've. We've dissected the Mayans in their weird technology. There is the Advanced civilization episode.
Cristina: Okay, yes.
Jack: That you guys can look at. Take a look at that stuff. We've also discussed technology many different times and space exploration. So, yeah, definitely look at that. See how aliens maybe detecting life, maybe that's an important way. Maybe we're on the right track by just looking for our kind of life, because that's the only kind of life that really exists. And then the rubric for whether something is alive or Galvan is useless as f***, because everything is alive. If that's the case, sure, whatever. Go look at those episodes. You can find all so many sciencey episodes on the official website greatthoughts.info or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and anywhere else you get your podcast.
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Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe and rate the show and review it if you feel so inclined.
Cristina: And let someone who might like this show know about it.
Jack: Yes, word of mouth. Tell everybody. Let them know that you know about a show that's gonna tell them about how we are aliens and that other kinds of aliens don't exist. And we proved that. We. We.
Cristina: So we're not aliens.
Jack: We're the aliens.
Cristina: Oh, we are the aliens. Yes, we are the aliens.
Jack: We are the aliens. We are not from Earth.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: I mean, we literally are from Earth, but we were just born on Earth versus the origin of humanity being Earth.
Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. Saint Isidor. He was the saint of the Internet. Not officially, though. Officially, he's the saint of students. And then unofficially Internet computer users, computer technicians and programmers.
Jack: So we're just basically talking about a saint that does. The saint of the Internet.
Cristina: Yes, of the Internet. It became. It was students and I guess over time it somehow ended up Internet.
Jack: So their powers aren't centric for anything. They're not focused on anything.
Cristina: Not really. He was a bad student. He prayed and then he became a really good, really smart man.
Jack: Like, could he take your fear of breastfeeding away if you wanted to?
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: And thus he's just a saint. But like, he's known for school related things.
Cristina: So you pray him for school related things? Yeah, I don't know.
Jack: So thus he's a saint of. Yes, school related things.
Cristina: That's why St. Nick has a bunch of random crap. Good morning. Good morning, whoever. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.