Rambling 161: Disaster Week

What caused an apocalyptic scale storm to suddenly appear over Earth? What is the source of this mysterious signal seemingly manifesting from nowhere? And what is Bigfoot? The duo cope with the death of Weather Deity Phil the groundhog and must scramble a plan together to damage control the aftermath of this dangerous tragedy. This on top of the fact that there is an unidentified signal emitting from space. What is the source?

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

  • Phil Groundhog Died
  • Weather God
  • Adrenochrome
  • Apocalyptic Storm
  • Frosty The Snowman
  • Abominable Snowman
  • Sasquatch
  • Bigfoot
  • Yeti
  • Space Signal
  • Spacetime Distortions
  • Universe 3 Portal
  • Dark Stars
  • Time Travel
  • Cat Gods

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean? Welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

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Jack: Yes. And this show is, you know, most enjoyable if you've got a listening partner. So if you go. If you go get it, you get one. You go get a listening partner. Look, look, look, look.

Cristina: Why should they get a listening partner?

Jack: Why not? They should get a listening partner. Listen to this episode completely. You don't walk away once you've started. You make it through. Then you go find somebody to listen to this show with, and you bring them and you do whatever the show says again. So now you go out a second time to find somebody to listen to, but now they have to as well. And it just keeps happening. The same person comes listen to the same episode to show somebody else.

Cristina: Why would they want to listen to the same episode?

Jack: Because you have to listen with somebody to talk about the show with. And whoever listened to it first is gonna have more ideas about it because they had it, they heard it once, so it can be sharper. The second person, they want that experience, too, which is part of the motivation to them getting somebody.

Cristina: What's the motivation of that person to go look for a third person to do that again?

Jack: He's way more informed now. Every time he listens, he's way sharper. So he's, like, getting smarter than everybody he shows the episode to. And when he shows the episode to them, he brags about his knowledge base about that or even even better, listens to the episode, goes and searches anything discussed to expand their knowledge. And then get another listener and listen to the show with them. And then they randomly pause it to talk about, oh, well, they mentioned this thing. This is what I know about the thing. How fascinating, right? Anyways, let's keep listening. And then the next thing shows up and like, oh, well, what I know about this is. And then little by little, they become masters of that one episode. But it always seems like they're listening to it for the first time.

Cristina: They should eventually just make their own.

Jack: Episode about that episode. Yeah, and link us.

Cristina: And link us.

Jack: Yeah, we will listen to your episode, about our episode, and then we'll talk about. Look, anybody's listening to this and does own a podcast. Do it.

Cristina: Do it.

Jack: Do it. And then tag us on, like, Twitter or Instagram, and then we'll go listen to that episode. You got to title the episode that just conversation podcast, by the way. Actually, that's a rambling podcast. Yeah. So you got to title it the Rambling Podcast. You titled the episode the Rambling podcast. And then we go and we listen to your episode about the rambling podcast. And we're going to title our episode in which we review your review of our show.

Cristina: But we'll name it after their podcast.

Jack: Name it after their podcast. But then they have to review our review of their review of our show.

Cristina: Yes. And it's only about this specific topic of whatever we're talking about today.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And nothing else.

Jack: Nothing more.

Cristina: Just each of us reviewing each other on the same topic.

Jack: No, well, it's not reviewing each other on the same topic. It's reviewing the episode that was reviewing. Yeah, well, the first one, they're just reviewing this episode.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because they're so informed. They did a bunch of research and they collected a knowledge base. Then they make an episode.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then we make an episode reviewing their episode. And then they're gonna make an episode reviewing our episode that reviewed their episode based on our episodes information and just on and on. We could just do this forever.

Cristina: Why would they want to do that?

Jack: It'll be great. It'll be the meta cast.

Cristina: Yes. We should do that, like, once a year. Maybe it shouldn't be, like, every episode.

Jack: Fair enough. Like. Like the annual review of whatever podcast we get tangled in forever now.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we're just gonna have a brother podcast or a sister podcast, I guess, depending on whether podcast is male or female. Our podcast females.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Cars.

Cristina: We have to ask the pronouns of the podcast.

Jack: Like, those are sister schools. Are these sister podcasts? Well, they're not related yet, but they're gonna be step podcasts.

Cristina: Step podcast. That's what.

Jack: Oh, yeah. So whoever's listening to this and has that idea, get really informed on everything we discuss this episode. There's a lot of things to talk about this episode. Because tragedies occurred and happened and life sucks and things suck and everything sucks. I hate everything.

Cristina: Why are you so sad?

Jack: I'm angry.

Cristina: Oh, you're angry. Why are you so angry?

Jack: Because subhumans are f****** stupid.

Cristina: How?

Jack: They killed Phil. We actually caught Phil, and then they f****** killed Phil. You know how long?

Cristina: You know how long killed Phil?

Jack: They starved Phil out. He needed adrenochrome. Then he got feral on the f****** ship. And then in order to protect everybody who wasn't a subhuman. Because at this point, I'm like, f****** Janeway that ship. And kill all those a******* for being too stupid to just have, I don't know, steal his supply. You don't need to make more. Just take his supply with you. I don't. They were just taking him to Mars. We were gonna interrogate him there, but they didn't. Like, aren't you guys supposed to be super absurdly intelligent?

Cristina: Aren't they?

Jack: They're supposed to be. This is an alleged detail that seems to have missed this one flight.

Cristina: Whoa. What if we lied to this whole time? What if they were never smarter, stronger, etc.

Jack: I mean, that would 100% prove why they're so expendable.

Cristina: Yes, yes, that does add up.

Jack: That's also why they can't overthrow us. Like how?

Cristina: Ah, so everything was a lie.

Jack: No, I doubt it. But they failed horribly. You should just take in the drinochrome he already had. Why did you take him and not what we know factually? He needs to function.

Cristina: We can always clone him and send that version.

Jack: He's already dead. We didn't grab samples of him.

Cristina: There's no fur or anything.

Jack: He's a dude. No, no. He's mixed with. H***, it doesn't even matter. He has adrenochrome in his body. He's mad. DNA running in there.

Cristina: Yeah, it would be complicated.

Jack: Yeah, it's impossible to decipher which part of the DNA is Phil. Oh, okay, so we caught Phil.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Also, he turned out to not be Jehovah.

Cristina: They checked that before he died.

Jack: We know he's godly. Yeah, his powers aren't so godly that he could beat us. Ah, okay, so he's godly, but like, we can handle that level of God.

Cristina: But like, Santa Claus can beat him up.

Jack: Oh, yeah. Santa Claus is on some horrish. Santa Claus could be actual Jehovah, so that's not really a comparison.

Cristina: Oh, okay. But he's weaker than the. Weaker than Jehovah.

Jack: Yeah, but. Yeah. So Phil's dead.

Cristina: That is sad.

Jack: We caught him after many, many, many, many, many months.

Cristina: We waited a whole year.

Jack: Yeah. We have this plan.

Cristina: Has been since last Groundhog Day.

Jack: Yeah. And it took a couple of dumbasses in one f****** space flight. Just like, how do you. How do you f*** this up? So we've done this a million times. There's so much s*** on Mars. We've done this a million times. How is the one thing we needed.

Cristina: Nothing else has died from not having adrenochrome in Mars.

Jack: Well, it didn't die because it didn't have adrenochrome. It got hostile and it's godlike. On a ship filled with people we need. Oh, if it was just subhumans on that ship, I've been like, f****** blow the ship up. He'll serve. F****** Phil will survive in space, but can't do anything. And then we go capture him again, this time inject them a couple of times with adrenochrome or however the f*** he drinks it or whatever he does with it. Yeah, and then we sedate him and throw him in the f****** cage and take him to Mars. No. No adrenochrome on a ship with important people who are on their way to Mars as well. And then we got f****** whatever sub humans decided to be stupid and not get the adrenochrome. And now we have a hostile, rabid giant. By the way, if you remember, the groundhogs without the adrenochrome become giant feral f****** monsters.

Cristina: They do. I thought they didn't.

Jack: No, because when they're feral, okay, they become these giant f******, like super beaver looking thing. Oh, you remember we saw a giant beaver demon or what a f***. That's what Phil becomes, okay? And we had that on a ship, okay?

Cristina: And so they had to.

Jack: They had to f****** dispose of this f*****.

Cristina: At least it happened after he did his thing.

Jack: This thing is useless now because we're all f*****. He can't mediate the weather anymore.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So if anybody thought climate change was real, which it wasn't, now it is. Because the person who was stabilizing climate is f****** dead. And since yesterday when it happened, and the temperature in our localized region was at 15 degrees today, the next day, it's already destabilized to 50 degrees. So we are f*****. Thanks, subhumans.

Cristina: That is a change.

Jack: That is kind of like tornadoes everywhere kind of change.

Cristina: Tornadoes every. Oh, my gosh. Tornadoes. I saw a giant epic fog coming here. It was ridiculous.

Jack: Yeah. Everything is f*****. Wow, it's. It's so f*****. If you look at the news, somehow out of the blue, unpredicted, doesn't know where it came from, suddenly formed a frost front with a snow back and a blizzard in the middle.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, my.

Jack: That's just headed towards where Phil was fighting from.

Jack: I wonder why it's happening.

Cristina: It has to do with Phil. Whoa. I mean, Phil's death.

Jack: Phil's death, because Phil was keeping all this s*** at bay, proves It.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: So at least now we know what he was doing.

Cristina: Yes, now we know.

Jack: We thought psychic and just adrenochrome creature. No, he's godlike. We already thought he was literally God from how overpowered he seemed to be. And he was really overpowered. Not Jehovah overpowered, but pretty overpowered. Overpowered enough to control the weather, not just predict. Actually, that being said. Being said, the region of the United States where the destabilization has happened is half of the United States, which is actually a bigger region than Jehovah has ever influenced.

Cristina: One point, he had almost the world. Right.

Jack: Jehovah? Well, no. His word kept traveling, but he only interacted.

Cristina: Oh. From the. Okay.

Jack: While Phil was actively interacting with what seems like at least half of this country.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And this country is bigger than the entire series of countries surrounding the area where Jehovah was interacting. So it's arguable that Phil, through adrenochrome, is more powerful than.

Cristina: Or at least it was ruling way more.

Jack: Yes, well, he wasn't ruling anything. His power was just reaching farther.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: While Jehovah was only influencing a very minuscule region, Phil was kind of, all things considered. Yeah. If we do that comparatively, he's kind of more powerful than Jehovah.

Cristina: That's ridiculous.

Jack: The question is, is he more powerful than Zeus? Zeus had a significantly larger area than Jehovah.

Cristina: How much larger? Not larger than the United States, though.

Jack: Roughly about the size of the United States collectively.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah. No, it's probably smaller. It might be half. Yeah. So. Wow. So adrenochrome just, like, s**** on better than gods. Unless you're Santa somehow.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He's too overpowered. I don't understand. But that's the topic that we'll save until we get.

Cristina: Eventually we'll find out he also does adrenochrome.

Jack: Can you imagine it, really? We go and we study this man, and it turns out it really is St. Nick. And he's just been going in. He's been going ham on adrenochrome, possibly with whatever creature. The fairies. Not the fairies. The elves are. So we got the elves. They aren't regular elves or some sort of type of fairy. And St. Nick going in on adrenochrome, and we got this weird Santa thing where nobody gets hurt, but all the fear still had. It's just genius.

Cristina: It's genius.

Jack: Fear through joy.

Cristina: Fear through joy.

Jack: He just tells you, you can have joy, but I'm not gonna punish you by making you miserable. I'm gonna punish you by not letting you have the joy. You want the joy. Right.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Then you do good things. But if you do anything bad, which it's. It's. We're human. It's inevitable.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So then you can do the bad fear. Little. Oh, that joy I was promised just got a little less likely. Oh, no.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Overpowered. Overpowered system. Good job, Santa. You figured it out.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You are way overpowered.

Cristina: So crazy. What about the other guys that help him? We never talked. I mean, we have talked about, but not in that episode of, like, Krampus.

Jack: And Frosty and all these. Yeah, Frosty's a weird one. Because the argument is somebody has powerful enough magic to move the sentience of one being into an inanimate snowman.

Cristina: It's gotta be Santa.

Jack: That's. Frosty was probably made by Santa. I know Krampus wasn't. But Frosty. That could not have happened in nature. Unless we're confusing it and Frosty is a mythological creature of some sort and we just haven't connected those dots. We do know Sasquatch's counterpart is the abominable yeti.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Jack: The yeti's counterpart is the abominable snowman.

Cristina: Yeah, but they're all made out of.

Jack: They got, like, fur and humanoid shape.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: Is the abominable snowman.

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: Really? So maybe the name has led us to picture a snowman. But if we went and looked at Frosty.

Cristina: Might look like a yeti.

Jack: Might look like a yeti. Like a bigfoot that's white. An abominable snowman. So he's the abominable snowman called Frosty. We hear Snowman. The toxin hangs out at the North Pole, and it's really just an op bodyguard they got up there.

Cristina: Oh, crap. Okay. Yeah. Maybe he's not even an actual snowman.

Jack: Actual snowman. This is actually interesting. This is something we have not investigated and we should definitely look into. And this one is probably provable so we can. We don't have to worry about locating a Santa. If we can just find him and actually interrogate him. He's probably kind of overpowered and particularly dangerous. If we were to talk about trying to get to Santa, but we could be like, can we talk to you?

Cristina: Mm. Hopefully he talks to us.

Jack: Yeah. Assuming he's not some creature that took f****** adrenal chrome or some s***, we should be good.

Cristina: He might be. I don't know. The hard part about talking to him is, like, the bigfoot doesn't want anyone to contact him. He's always hiding and stuff. Like, wouldn't it be the same problem?

Jack: Yeah. Also, why haven't we caught a Bigfoot?

Cristina: Because they disappear.

Jack: Well, here's.

Cristina: They travel like fairies.

Jack: Yeah, they do. They do. They do. There's powers. And I will tell you what's interesting about this. It's a creature with a bald face and bald hands, but hair everywhere else in their body. With magical abilities and a humanoid shape.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Does that sound like any other creature that you could just apply adrenochrome to? Why isn't Yeti just a gorilla that took adrenochrome?

Cristina: It's probably.

Jack: Probably is. Right? Yes, it probably is.

Cristina: Well, we don't have any proof.

Jack: We don't. This is all speculation. And testable. It's easily testable. We just got some couple of sub humans. Hopefully don't f*** this one up.

Cristina: They couldn't be humans, though. I feel like what if humans can become more than one thing?

Jack: We have no proof of that. We know the humans have become vampires and then when they do not have adrenochrome, become zombies.

Cristina: And we also know about werewolves that were humans.

Jack: Well, that's totally different. They got turned because of an animal.

Jack: We're talking a werewolf is a person who had a mutation with a wolf.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Versus a win dingo or a wetchudge. That is a wolf that has been exposed to adrenochrome. Those are two vastly different creatures. And what is it? Wendingo is the conscious elevation when you're still getting adrenochrome. And the wetchudge is when you've lost it and you become some feral demon trying to kill everything.

Cristina: Yes. You become a cannibal.

Jack: Yeah. So that is very different than werewolf. Werewolf. Because werewolf is a person who has their DNA mixed with a wolf.

Cristina: Yes. Mixed with a wolf. Mm.

Jack: Yes. But that's where we are. One. Yes. That just gave us a couple of ideas. We gotta go find a yeti and a Bigfoot and an abominable snowman. 1. Compare all three because why are you guys different? How are you so similar and different?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And with the Abominable Snowman, we can get questions if he's willing to talk.

Cristina: And see if he's actually Frosty the Snowman.

Jack: See if he's actually Frosty the Snowman.

Cristina: It could be the same.

Jack: Yeah, could be. If we find them where we're looking from you. The alternative is we don't and actually do find a snowman. Who the f*** knows? So. Yeah. That sucks about Phil. About Phil does suck About Phil. That being said, totally not related to this. We got a strange signal.

Cristina: An alien signal is the only type of strange. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. It's hard to explain because it's. It came from space. We sent people out to space and it was seemingly coming from nowhere. Like literally nowhere. There was just a gap in space.

Cristina: Where it was coming from.

Jack: Where it was coming from. Like we went there.

Jack: It was by the meteor belt. And subhumans did anything and everything to figure out like they zoned into the inch of where it's coming from. And it's like there's literally nothing here but a signal emitting from seemingly nowhere. And it's scrambled. We can't understand it.

Cristina: What.

Jack: So that immediately caused a couple of problems and you know, quite interesting anomaly to come across.

Cristina: That sounds really crazy.

Jack: Yeah, it's really weird because we've gotten signals in the past. We recently talked about the wow Signal that was reached in the 70s. We know that that echoes back and forth repeatedly. We've got received own signals all the time. Yeah, we know specifically the wow. Signal was sent forward in time. Was sent forward, Went through some space anomaly and jumped backwards in time. So we received our own signal before we sent it because. F***. Time travel.

Cristina: Yes, but this may or may not be something like that.

Jack: Well, the ongoing theory amongst the subhumans at the moment is that whatever disturbance the portal is causing could have created a rip powerful enough that there are little bubble pockets everywhere.

Cristina: What kind of damage is this portal doing?

Jack: We need to stop it.

Cristina: We do.

Jack: We kind of have to stop this before all the universes merge into one or whatever the f*** is happening. Have some f****** no way home bullshit happen.

Cristina: Or like in the flash where all the universe became one.

Jack: Wow. That's really just the same thing, isn't it? No way home. And the flashes. Flashpoint, aftermath.

Cristina: Yeah, it's the same.

Jack: Wow. That's crazy. Is that crisis when all the universes become one? That is crisis, right?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: Crisis of many earths or whatever.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Interesting. I never noticed that. Yeah, that's totally the same s***.

Cristina: It's the same thing. Yeah, it's a dude in red.

Jack: Dude in red. And somehow his actions resulted in the smash of all realities.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Seems legit. And he jokes a lot. They both work.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah. So that's kind of f*****.

Cristina: So what's the one? Just research.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. So we got to look and see what the h*** is happening. We've made some headway already. You know, we again, we Went there. We saw where the anomaly was coming from. Or didn't see where it was coming from. We saw the space where there should be something that's emitting the signal.

Cristina: The plan isn't to get rid of the portal, is it?

Jack: We don't know. We don't know. It depends on how dangerous the portal is. And also, how would we get rid of something that no matter which direction we go through it, it takes us somewhere else. Okay, how do we touch this portal?

Cristina: Yeah, so you can't actually destroy it.

Jack: Yeah, we need expertise, but. Okay, so what do we know so far? The portal has created interference through at least three separate universes that we're familiar with. One, two, and three.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We have no access to universe two anymore because the directly connecting portal there we destroyed on the other end. So it goes to nowhere. And we continue to receive reports that we are broadcasting just as widely in universe three as we are to universe one, which is our universe. The question is, are we getting a Signal from Universe 3 the same way they're getting a signal from us? Is our signal seemingly coming from nowhere? Except most people probably don't know how to work with receptor technology and have no idea where the signal is coming from. They never even questioned it. So they just log in, they see, oh, cool, show whatever, blah, blah, blah. They're reporting on fictional news or whatever think is happening. Yeah, but if they were to follow where the signal is coming from, it's not on their planet, and it's just somewhere in space in their local star system.

Cristina: You think it's happening in world three?

Jack: Yeah, I think our broadcast comes from nowhere. And I think we're seeing their broadcast. The problem with the theory proposed. This is proposed by our smartest of subhumans, the ones who have been doing physics as a thing the entire time. And the proposed theory has one momentous giant, ridiculous hole in it, which seems difficult to resolve, which is we connected a television to supervise Universe 3.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They don't have the technology to get as far into space as we see the signal.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Well, presumably the location of our systems is just different enough that their earth is slightly moved, a couple of, you know, macroscopic units to one side or something. So we're coming from nowhere. So maybe in the nowhere that we see in space, on their end, there's a planet there.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And there's something on the planet.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The problem is that would require them to have the technology to get to the farthest parts of their own star, which they don't know, we barely have that technology. Everything else we've done is steal somebody else's technology. And that's why we have absurd Technology.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We just confiscated from creatures.

Cristina: Met a lot of aliens.

Jack: Yes. So we keep confiscating technology. Some people just give us things, depending who we're interacting with. Yeah, they don't have access to that. So how would they broadcast from one of their farthest planets if they haven't even gotten to their closest planet? Two theories to plug that hole up.

Cristina: What are they?

Jack: One is alien life that they're not even aware of. So if we can. We're thinking it's scrambled message.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Maybe the message is not scrambled. Maybe the broadcast is clear. We just don't understand it. Because it's alien.

Cristina: Because it's alien. Yeah, that makes sense.

Jack: That's one.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Second is a little more exotic, which is to say that the signal is coming from a planet and it is a human signal from Universe 3, but it's coming from a future of Universe 3.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah. We already know that the black hole is causing not just space, but space time. Because they're one. It's f****** with space time. Not the black hole, the portal.

Cristina: Portal, okay. Yeah.

Jack: Portals f****** with space time. Yes, in general.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: In fact, it caused a series of events to happen before the hole was created. That's how far back in time it's affecting. So we know it's messing with space and time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Presumably that applies in any instance of its interaction with anything.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So the signal we're getting might be from a future in that space. So it's a different space in ours, in a different time than ours, and a different time than their own. Because it's just a point in space time taken. And we're receiving that information. Which is also to say we cannot prove whether they in universe 3 are in the same year we're in. Maybe the reason they have not reached our technology is because they're actually in the past.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: And when we look at them, we're looking backwards to their past.

Cristina: What I thought we were in the same years.

Jack: Could be or could not be the portal. Like if we were to find a non time space fuckery hole there, would we arrive at a different time than the space time anomaly portal in your backyard. Is that f****** with time as well? And thus when we look through it and anybody goes through it, they're going back into Universe 3's past. And as a result, a hole that isn't f****** with time, just simply bridging the two Locations would take us to their present and they would look more like us.

Cristina: Whoa. You think they'll look like us? I doubt they'll ever be this advanced. But I mean, maybe. Yeah. In the future. Like, we don't know how long in the future it will take.

Jack: Well, wherever we are now, would they, at the same year, have more or less the same technology? It would make sense because Universe 2 worked that way.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And if we are all parallel universes, they should only be a little different. The massive differences we see when looking at Universe 3 right now seems like they're way removed. And could be the case the portal could just be connecting us to a really, really far universe that isn't in the slightest bit similar. But also, maybe it is, and we're just looking into the past.

Cristina: We could be looking into their past. What could we prove, though?

Jack: And that's why this would seem even more ridiculous to them, this technology they couldn't fathom.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yet.

Cristina: But it could be aliens.

Jack: But it could be. There's a lot of explanations to what is going on.

Cristina: I feel like aliens is the simpler thing.

Jack: It is an easy one. Yes.

Cristina: But it's easy to disprove as well.

Jack: Yes. If we can go there at the time of the broadcast. We just need to find out when the broadcast is taking place.

Cristina: Okay. Because it's not all the time.

Jack: What do you mean? Like through all of history? Yeah, no, yeah, we're getting it right now. We just have to go and see. And I guess from that universe move. I guess the idea would be take our time machine there with the receptor, go to the region where the signal is coming from.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And just start moving forward until we catch a signal. And there should be something there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: When that happens.

Cristina: So there is gonna be some time traveling involved.

Jack: Yes. We're not gonna do it. And we're also going to do it. We're gonna install the time machine on a ship in space so that nothing is interacted with. It's just in space. We're not messing anything. We're gonna look.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're also gonna. The ship should also have cloaking. We should have both visual cloaking and to any kind of radars or in detectors that are out there so that we're invisible to everything from all sides. And we're not on the location where something's gonna show up, but we're near it so that when we catch a signal, we know.

Cristina: And we can just investigate.

Jack: We can investigate, touch nothing, interact with nothing, alter nothing. Just find out whether this is Humans or alien life. And whether it's the right time or the wrong time or whether it's even coming from that universe, we could, in theory, be looking at the creature. And it's just a type of creature that we are just not receiving. Our senses could, in theory, not be perceiving the life form that's there.

Cristina: That is interesting.

Jack: And it's not even in a different universe.

Cristina: It's just.

Jack: It's outside of our literal perception. Our senses can literally not pick this life form up, but they use technology that creates waves we can pick up.

Cristina: Yeah, but that would be a creature in this world, not in.

Jack: That would be a creature in this world. Well, on the flip side, that could be a creature in this world. That could be creature through many worlds. It could be a creature spread out through dimensions. I don't know.

Cristina: Yeah, what.

Jack: But that's a complicated experiment to try to find something that our perception can't detect.

Cristina: We need to figure that out.

Jack: That's a complicated problem. So. Yes, so we had to get in contact with some physicists that are experts beyond our subhumans, and with the help of our subhumans, brain power. Because obviously these people are experts in their fields, and subhumans are astoundingly intelligent. The combination of we give you information, they process it, then they return it to the scientists, and this bounce back continues can probably answer that question. So we've had to get in contact with a plethora of scientists, of scientists. We've already done that. We've talked to a crap ton of physicists, astrophysicists, chemists, engineers, work on radios, radio technology, astronomers that are just scoping space. All. All the stuff, yes, we've done all the stuff. And we've come in contact with a lady named Catherine Fries, and she is expert not just in physics and astrophysics, but specifically space time anomalies. And specifically anomalies that alter the fabric of space. Which is good.

Cristina: Which is good.

Jack: Yes, exactly. What the.

Cristina: Gonna help us or. She's already helping us.

Jack: She has agreed to look at the data.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: Yes. So, okay, let me give you a little background here. Catherine Freese is a astrophysicist that has discovered the. Actually a theoretical astrophysicist. She is a theoretical physicist who's discovered in math, the existence of what is called a dark star.

Cristina: A dark star?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Have you heard of a dark star? I don't know.

Jack: It's a term that is quite elusive, doesn't get mentioned quite often.

Cristina: I've heard dark matter, and I think that's it.

Jack: And dark matter. And dark energy.

Cristina: Dark energy, yes. Totally different things, right?

Jack: Yes, actually she works with both of those things as well.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Catherine Fries has discovered the dark star, which is suggested to be similar to black hole, and the dark star that is titled to be kind of like made of dark energy.

Cristina: Kind of made, yeah.

Jack: So we don't know what dark energy is, but there is a collective of energy that behaves like a star. And she is also responsible for that math discovery, theoretical physics, and her mind applying what she knows to come up with these conclusions. So a dark star is basically all the characteristics of a black hole, except rather than there being a tear in the tremendous dent of the fabric of spacetime, there is no dent there. I mean, there is a dent. There is no tear in the. The furthest, deepest part of the dent. It. The fabric hasn't torn. It's just really, really indented to such an angle that light cannot escape. It's not fast enough to compensate for the amount of traction it needs. Black hole, create deep hole. Dark star, create deep hole.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Light no escape. Deep hole summary.

Cristina: Sorry.

Jack: All right, so yeah, she is the discoverer of that, and because of that, she is quite qualified to deal with energy based, space based, time based problems.

Cristina: So she'll help us out.

Jack: She said she'll look at the data.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: We don't know if she'll help us out. It could look like ridiculous nonsense to her and totally not be worth your time.

Cristina: Oh, we got a time machine.

Jack: We do have a time machine.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And a quantum computer. She needs it.

Cristina: And a portal and a portal.

Jack: We have interesting things for her to work with if she's curious. And there's nothing a theoretical astrophysicist that works with space time anomalies would find more interesting than a space time anomaly portal that you can only theorize about.

Cristina: That's amazing.

Jack: Yeah, it's like candy. That happens to be crack.

Cristina: It's crack.

Jack: It's crackedy crack. D and she wants crack D she has to want the crack D It's the kind of crack D she would like.

Cristina: It's the. What's that blue stuff? It's the blue stuff.

Jack: What blue stuff?

Cristina: From breaking breath meth? Yes, the blue myth.

Jack: It's blue sky.

Cristina: Blue sky. Oh, that's what it's called.

Jack: Mm, Blue sky. So, yeah, that's what. Where we're at at the moment.

Cristina: Yes. That's crazy. That's still depressing about Phil, but this is very interesting.

Jack: Yeah, it sucks about Phil, but what the f*** can we do, man. This is kind of a real crap turn of events. We needed him.

Cristina: Crazy. Like, what are the chances? What are the chances when we're gonna go find him, he just dies?

Jack: Well, he didn't just die. Well, we kind of literally had to kill him.

Cristina: We killed him but to protect everybody.

Jack: Else on the ship. Because who the h*** makes the mistake of. Like, we all know you don't just take a heroin addict off of heroin. Yeah, he will die. You don't do that, problems will ensue when desperation kicks in. That's the most dangerous person in any room now.

Cristina: Yeah. So it was our mistake.

Jack: Yeah. If something gives you f****** powers and you're addicted to the f****** thing, should we take you without the thing that makes you stronger and more overpowered than everybody we've ever met?

Cristina: What happened there then?

Jack: It was just crazy lapse of judgment. I don't understand how nobody had the idea of. Maybe it's a good idea if we have this there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He has an abundance of it. Come on.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Also, why didn't we take adrenochrome just to study it?

Cristina: That's a good question. Why? We had a bad day.

Jack: Yeah, it was. We don't make many mistakes, but God d***, when we do, it compensates for all the mistakes we haven't made.

Cristina: Yes. Oh my gosh. We haven't had such a bad day.

Jack: Since we destroyed Mars.

Cristina: I was gonna say since we died the first time.

Jack: Did Mars get destroyed before or after that?

Cristina: Be after.

Jack: Maybe Mars got the. Straight after that. Maybe.

Cristina: I don't know the timeline.

Jack: Look, the first couple of clones weren't the best of people. Yeah, there's a lot of dark there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: A lot of horrible things happen. I actually don't remember. I keep forgetting which one I am. Yeah, but whatever. So, yeah, that's the catch up that we've. That's all we've got when it comes to what's been happening this f****** week. And the fact that we. A year.

Cristina: A year.

Jack: Year of planning meticulously and strategizing and figuring it out. We're getting close. We're planning the.

Cristina: You know how like so much mistakes after mistakes after mistakes. That's so crazy.

Jack: I don't know how this happened. It's just frustrating. I'm not happy right now. It is just a sad tragedy.

Cristina: But we know where to find Adrenochrome at least, right? Like they will still have it.

Jack: Like we have to go back for that.

Cristina: Yes. I think we need another year. We're gonna wait another year no, we're.

Jack: Just gonna go get that adrenochrome.

Cristina: Oh, right now we're not waiting a.

Jack: Year for the adrenochrome.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: We're just gonna send them to go retrieve the adrenochrome.

Cristina: Alright.

Jack: Least we could do is study a functional batch.

Cristina: That would be great. Okay, That's a good plan.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yes. Let's do it.

Jack: We're gonna go reclaim the adrenochrome.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We're going to go find a yeti, a Sasquatch, which is presumably the same as a Bigfoot, but those could be different. Sasquatch, Bigfoot, Yeti, and the Abominable Snowman. Four creatures, man.

Cristina: There's four. Okay.

Jack: Two snow and two woods.

Cristina: One has to be the feral of the other, right?

Jack: Interesting. Yeah, interesting concept you have there. So the argument here is, cause Sasquatch is what's dangerous, right? Not Bigfoot. Bigfoot is just mystical and hiding. And Sasquatch is all the horrible stories of something. So some sort of ape, presumably a gorilla, that seems to already resemble and tend to be way bigger than humans in general.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Takes adrenochrome and becomes a Bigfoot. And they're overpowered. Magical. Intelligent. Way more intelligent than humans. Elusive. But when they run out of a supply after their body has adjusted and they go feral. You get a Sasquatch.

Cristina: Yeah. And I don't think the snow one is an ape. Because it's snow.

Jack: Because it's snow.

Cristina: But there's a bear that lives in the snow.

Jack: Oh, s***.

Cristina: They're big, they're white.

Jack: Then. Then we're not dealing with a gorilla. Maybe that's just a black bear or a grizzly. Wait, did we establish this before? I feel like we did come across this information before.

Cristina: So I don't know. I'm not sure.

Jack: Bear kills someone. They were horrified. In the process. Their body creates adrenochrome. The bear eats the body, consumes the adrenochrome, turns into a Bigfoot, runs out of adrenochrome and devolves into Sasquatch.

Cristina: That's possible.

Jack: It's quite possible. With the probability being there are more Sasquatch out there than Bigfoot. Because Bigfoot is who's elusive while Sasquatch is who we have horror stories of people have interacted with Sasquatch. People look for the non feral intelligent one avoiding humans.

Cristina: Oh, okay, okay. But we're not sure if it's a bear or a gorilla.

Jack: Not sure. But if we assume, and we can confirm this once we go and find out, yeah, but actually, we can find out.

Cristina: Sounds right.

Jack: Yeah, it sounds right. Well, if we were to capture one or get one to convince. Convince one to let us take a blood sample. We could test whether this is a bear or an ape. But the same would apply to the abominable snowman and yeti.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because I believe yeti is the intelligent one and the abominable snowman is oftentimes referred to as some sort of monster.

Cristina: Yeah. Interesting.

Jack: So there is. I think we got thought out version and a feral version to what's probably just the polar bear.

Cristina: I feel like. That's right. I feel like they're bears. We've been wrong all along.

Jack: And the basic name to it tells us a lot too. It's a polar bear that lives towards the North Pole.

Cristina: Yeah, that makes so much sense.

Jack: Also polar opposite to the other one.

Cristina: Yeah. No one's noticed that connection. They're all thinking it's a monkey or something like.

Jack: Yeah, maybe. I don't know.

Cristina: Why would a monkey be in the forest? Do monkeys.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Well, I thought it was the jungle.

Jack: That too.

Cristina: That too. The forest and the jungle.

Jack: There are forest monkeys.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And there. I mean, not in the United States. I don't think there's natural monkeys in the United States. I have no idea.

Cristina: That's where they're found in the United States.

Jack: Which would make sense about bears.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But that doesn't stop monkeys from existing in forests.

Cristina: But where. There. Where Bigfoots are found, though?

Jack: Well, Bigfoots are found. I doubt. Well, the problem is that Bigfoots are found everywhere on Earth as long as there are woods or jungles.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In jungles, Bigfoot is anywhere there are trees to hide behind.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Doesn't matter where you find the trees. If there's a lot of trees, there could be a Bigfoot there or a Sasquatch, whichever one you're using. But they could be counterparts, the same thing.

Cristina: Yes, I think so.

Jack: Yeah, I think so too. So we either find four different creatures or find. Collect, I guess, a stash of adrenochrome and get two normal creatures.

Cristina: Yeah, we just change them ourselves.

Jack: Here's. Here's where this kind of becomes a little risky. And we could face a similar problem to Phil, though. Phil was way more overpowered than we thought he was. We had no understanding of how powerful he really was.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now we've kind of begun an apocalyptic weather problem.

Cristina: We'll figure that out.

Jack: Yeah, we have to. We have to. That's. We got no option. We f****** give adrenaline. Come to another F****** groundhog. And like, bro, hopefully you got these powers because we need you right now, dude.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which we would need the supply of adrenochrome to do anyways.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So once we confiscate this, we literally have the power to gift people adrenochrome abilities.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We need that stash. That is priority number one at this moment.

Cristina: Fix the weather.

Jack: That'll fix the weather. And without the impending doom of our main planet, we can safely proceed to go get. We already have the sash. We can get just a polar bear and a regular bear and give them both adrenochrome and see what happens if they turn into yeti and bigfoot. Sweet. We solved a lot of problems if they don't. We have another animal Jones. We study whatever they become. Obviously.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But we're f***** because what the h*** is a yeti? What the h*** is the Abominable Snowman? What the f*** is Bigfoot? And what the f*** is Sasquatch?

Cristina: We test the apes out.

Jack: We test the apes out. We get gorillas and test it out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Alternatively, if we can find these creatures, as elusive as they are, we have great technology. We have subhumans that are the greatest detectives ever. If we can send them out there to find the track to get these things, we don't need to go through this whole process and waste our adrenaline.

Cristina: Okay. Yes. That's a better idea.

Jack: And then we could just take a sample and have the answer. With a blood sample, we can tell what this DNA is.

Cristina: Okay. That sounds like a good idea. Why do we need them, though? It's just because there's another creature.

Jack: It's just because another creature we don't know about.

Cristina: We're just playing Pokemon in real life. Pretty much.

Jack: Yeah. Trapping a little of everything on Mars where they can escape.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: But what makes this particularly dangerous. Right. Is once we give these creatures. If they. If we don't find them and get them to agree with us. We're talking about creatures that are about as powerful as Phil.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like on a normal day before they go feral.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And if it goes through a panic as it's taking this form, who knows what. Who knows what? It could happen. We need to already have it on Mars before we begin any experiments in a region that is completely desolate and abandoned. We can't risk it causing some sort of magic problem.

Cristina: That is pretty crazy.

Jack: Especially because we don't understand how these powers really work.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We used to think Bigfoot was a fairy of some sort. We used to think Bigfoot Became the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Oh, shadow. Yeah. Because many different.

Jack: Because he's. He's seemingly the most elusive and complicated creature.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So we're kind of hunting the Big Kahuna right now.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We've dealt with crazy creatures before, but we've never, in all our years working, had a solution to. What the f***? Bigfoot. To the point that we usually don't even discuss it. We don't bother. It's too complicated.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now we have access to adrenochrome.

Cristina: Now we can figure it out.

Jack: Figure it out? If it's. If we can't find them in nature, we can recreate them.

Cristina: We can. There's plenty of animals out there.

Jack: The scary part is we have the motivation to recreate them. So we better f****** find them. So we don't need to recreate them because we don't know how that's gonna go.

Cristina: No. That's pretty horrifying. You don't want to use adrenochrome at all. No.

Jack: That should be the goal. Avoid adrenochrome. That is last resort. Information gathering tool.

Cristina: Mm. But, like, we still have to make more though, right?

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because if we're gonna test out every animal eventually.

Jack: Well, we're gonna try to find creatures.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That are already.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And there's an abundance of research we could do.

Cristina: Yes. That's way better. Okay. That's. That should be what we do.

Jack: Yes. Now we have the fear of if we really need to come up with the creature. Well, we have adrenochrome. We better find it so we don't cause some catastrophe.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because we can cause a catastrophe. We probably will if we're forced to create it in order to gather the information.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So I rather just go and find the thing.

Cristina: It'll be easier to find it. Maybe not. I don't know. This is the biggest challenge we have.

Jack: Yes. Catching the most elusive anything that has ever existed in all of time. We have come across aliens easier. We did not catch a Chupacabra, but we have encountered the Chupacabra. You know, we have crossed paths with some of the most exaggerated things ever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And somehow have not once laid eyes on Bigfoot.

Cristina: Mm. That's very interesting.

Jack: We interact with gods.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And have somehow. We just killed a God. We killed the God of weather.

Cristina: That's pretty horrible.

Jack: Yeah. And have still not once ever seen Bigfoot?

Cristina: No.

Jack: We have altered history. I literally changed the future willingly by choice. I destroyed an entire planet of colossal, disgusting, war hungry cockroaches.

Cristina: They were not war hungry Whatever got.

Jack: Rid of the Reptilians, took their planet and just enslaved anybody left. We. We work on huge scales. We have literally tracked, found, and sent people to interact with the Egyptian gods that are now just hanging out in the great void.

Cristina: The cat people.

Jack: Yeah. And still not once have we seen even proof.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Of Bigfoot.

Cristina: We've done a lot. Wow. Yes. And with the elves. Actually, we didn't hunt down all elves. I found one elf and the elf.

Jack: Information. Yeah.

Cristina: He talked. And he talked a lot.

Jack: Squealed.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Right. Quickly.

Cristina: So hopefully the Bigfoot's like that. Who knows?

Jack: Yeah. I hope some. Some are willing. It's not all these creatures are bad. Some are just willing to, you know, discuss things. They don't f****** care. Everybody has a rebel, and we just got to hope we find that guy. Just give us some information or allow us to take a sample or something. We're not bad guys. We're not here to harm you. If you are willing to part to play ball. We're willing to play ball.

Cristina: We have harmed some.

Jack: Yeah, but not if they're willing to just help.

Cristina: What about the roach? The grouch people?

Jack: War.

Cristina: War.

Jack: Why didn't we just trap the fairy you were talking to?

Cristina: Because you weren't horrified it was a fairy.

Jack: Yeah. We don't have to kill everything. We can. We can just gather data. Yes, that's totally fine. Yeah, we gotta hope that we could do that with Bigfoot.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And we need to go acquire that f****** stash of adrenochrome.

Cristina: We have to.

Jack: That is absolutely crucial and necessary one. It's not being guarded by Phil. Apparently, Phil was overpowered enough to guard his own sash. We had no idea. We thought it was future sight. We thought it was future. Well, he's powerful. The great God is.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, it's not being an addict. It's like, who is gonna trespass and take it from you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, but he. It was overpowered. And he was good enough to defend it himself because he's so strong. But now if anybody finds out about.

Cristina: It, oh, we're gonna be in so much trouble.

Jack: Yeah, there's gonna be trouble. We. The last thing we want is someone.

Cristina: Else to stumble upon it.

Jack: Yes. And it just making its way into the black market or something and just spreading out through people who shouldn't have access to this. Then we'll have a problem. Now we have a we gotta stop superheroes problem, you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: S*** got f*****. Everybody's a God suddenly, and we just gotta kill all of them. That's Bad.

Cristina: That's pretty bad.

Jack: We definitely gotta go acquire this.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We're the first case I know of that has completely left a stash of the most protected substance in the freaking universe. That literally. The Chupacabra, by the way, if you guys don't know, is a freaking interdimensional God that comes here specifically for adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, that's how protected this is.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You can't get it f****** anywhere. And we just left a completely unprotected huge stash. We're the first people to f***.

Cristina: It's a bad day. It's a bad day.

Jack: Yeah, there's a lot that happened yesterday.

Cristina: Yeah, I mean, like, those clones are probably not alive anymore.

Jack: Was it even yesterday? What day was that? That was a. I mean, I guess that wasn't.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess it could have been yesterday.

Jack: Yeah, I guess it's. Yes. Well, I guess. Yeah. Because they captured Phil on Wednesday.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: After he did his thing.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Then on the flight, he died.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So was that Thursday?

Cristina: That would have been Thursday.

Jack: It would been sometime because he's going to Mars. That's what, like three day flight? So he died on Thursday. We got the information that he died on Friday. So. Yeah, I guess we found out about his death yesterday.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But like, yeah, we gotta go get that stash. It's been too many days already.

Cristina: It's been too many. Oh, my gosh. What if it's nothing?

Jack: Oh, now we gotta retrieve it. Luckily, we have trackers in the subhuman. So follow the trail and get to it. But we got to do that before they use it. We don't want a problem. We can't stop.

Cristina: We could do, like, what do you do what they do with UFOs and just blame it on a weather balloon?

Jack: Yeah, no, we don't need any of that. Last worst case scenario, we have a time machine. We go back and immediately confiscate the Adrenochrome right after Phil is escorted before anybody else.

Cristina: As long as.

Jack: Yes, as long as you interact with nobody.

Cristina: Yeah. What if someone took it the moment he left? That would be crazy.

Jack: I doubt instantaneously somebody manifested there and took it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I doubt that on so many levels.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We are gonna be. Who does that?

Cristina: Yes, we'll be that. Okay.

Jack: The moment it's clear, we just walk in and take it.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. That's a great idea.

Jack: Done. And that is how we're gonna solve that problem if we don't get there on time.

Cristina: All right, that's fine.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So I guess mess things up. Too bad.

Jack: I f****** hate time travel. Always f*** something up.

Cristina: That's why I hate this plan. But if we have to.

Jack: If we have to, we have to. But like is. Oh my God. The problem is amount of s*** that just. Even if we don't interact with anything, I don't know what the f***. Anytime we time travel s*** hits a fan.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, it does. Like, I trust more the space time travel than the actual just time travel.

Jack: Yeah, me too. I hate time. I mean, that's why we've had this time machine. We haven't used this in like three years.

Cristina: Yeah, it's been quite a while.

Jack: It's been quite some time.

Cristina: But we gotta do what we gotta do.

Jack: I don't like any of this.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So much has been f***** in this week.

Cristina: Yes. It's been a bad week.

Jack: It's been a bad week. We haven't had a bad fear enough. It was overdue.

Cristina: And it wasn't our fault.

Jack: It wasn't our fault.

Cristina: So that's important.

Jack: That's good. That's a. That's a good turn of events. We're gonna get yelled at because they were under our care, but it wasn't our fault. We could be like. Well, some humans kind of f***** this one up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah, we followed the textbook this time.

Cristina: Doing what we were supposed to do.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So I don't, I don't like. This sucks. This week sucks. And if we have to use the time machine, this week sucks more.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Especially because then we got to figure out what, like, nothing got ruined. Whatever. No, something got ruined. We just don't know what it is yet.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We just gotta figure it out. We figured out. We gotta figure it out. We're gonna figure it out.

Cristina: We'll figure it out.

Jack: We gotta figure. We gotta.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And it's gonna suck. And like whatever turnout happens, if we have to use that time machine that sucks. We'll figure it out.

Cristina: Yes, it is what it is. Mm.

Jack: On the flip side, we never thought about this before.

Cristina: What?

Jack: We could just run a time travel simulation in the quantum computer that would tell us every possible outcome and know what's gonna go wrong.

Cristina: Ah, that's better. Okay, we do that. But that's only if it's not there.

Jack: Yeah. If we have to use a time machine, we could just run a quantum computation and find out.

Cristina: Good. Because we never use that either. This is a perfect solution. This is a perfect.

Jack: Last time we used was either to run the sense lacking experiment to test consciousness or the One time we were testing the Matrix by generating our own. One of those was the last time we used it. So we actually haven't used the quantum computer in longer than the time machine.

Cristina: Well. And we used it a little more. We used at least twice.

Jack: Yes. While the time machine was used for one instance.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which was to kill to get rid.

Cristina: Of some cat people.

Jack: Yeah. It wasn't to kill. It was to beat their accelerated rate of multiplication.

Cristina: That's a weird solution to a weird problem. But solved it, I guess. Cuz there's humans still.

Jack: Yeah, Yep, yep. I mean, that's way in the future. But so are a bunch of people who should have been in our timeline right now.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So whatever.

Cristina: I don't understand how that makes sense. That doesn't make sense.

Jack: No, it totally does. We send people every 10 year gap.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Into the future. Thus there's a new fresh set of people willing to reproduce in that timeline. But every 10 years a new group of people shows up. Then keep having new people and whatever. So in this 2, 300 year period, we sent people. While the decline of humanity begins around this time that we are in right now. We actually didn't predict the event back then that led to the cat people taking over, but we're actively experiencing that right now.

Cristina: Yes. I didn't realize that. Yeah, that's happening right now. Whoa.

Jack: It wasn't just a virus, was it? Phil is dead. Was that part of the problem? Was there some weather catastrophe as well that helped the extinction of humanity and then the overpopulation of cats maybe? S***. Did we cause the problem that I had to fix?

Cristina: Did we?

Jack: Oh, this is the f****** problem with time travel. This is why I don't want to use it. Because this.

Cristina: But you are fixing your own problem.

Jack: Well, I didn't f****** kill Phil.

Cristina: That's true. Your team's problem. Okay. You are fixing the problem.

Jack: Problem that the subhumans created by being stupid.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So Phil dying. And the weather literally becoming apocalyptic overnight.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: so Phil. Then we have this virus that seems to be some sort of alien. So we have this alien virus attacking and consistently changing itself genetically to adapt to us and be more harmful.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We have pollution problem happening. Just general pollution. We've exceeded a certain amount. We're talking. We're f****** choking our planet out. The giant meteor that's headed our way.

Cristina: There's most of the planets underwater.

Jack: Most of planets underwater is. There's a lot happening. I understand. Now it's very apparent what we didn't know back then that like this is the moment that it began. This is the decline. This is the beginning of the decline.

Cristina: Because Phil is dead.

Jack: And Phil. Well, not because Phil was dead, but that's one of the things that's adding to it.

Cristina: Yeah. A big thing.

Jack: Big thing. Big thing. Big thing.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Crazy. Crazy. And that also explains now Phil dies and we have this giant jump in temperature and a three part storm front of crazy winds on one side, frost snow on the other and crazy hails in another, all smashed next to each other.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But that didn't affect anything west. The reason fires have been happening over there is because Phil wasn't over there to stop it. And now we know he could only protect seemingly from halfway through the country all the way towards us.

Cristina: Yeah. But now he's gone.

Jack: Now he's gone.

Cristina: We lost our protection. Weird.

Jack: And the temperature jumped up immediately. Yeah, instantaneously. It jumped up. F***. Ton of degrees.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: From 15 to 50.

Cristina: So eventually we will burn. Like everyone.

Jack: We might be headed towards what people have been thinking was happening this entire time, except now it's actually happening because we killed Phil. Yay. So you guys are caught up. This is the wow. Disasters that we're dealing with right now. We are in. Yeah, Disaster week. Oh, I guess episode name right there. Disaster week. So, yeah, we're in cleanup mode. Emergency cleanup mode. Stop the world from ending. Emergency cleanup mode.

Cristina: Yes. And also some traveling crap we got to do.

Jack: Yeah, we got a. Hopefully Catherine helps us. Yes, hopefully. And we can solve a lot because we got new questions to answer and way more problems to solve.

Cristina: Way more. It just gets worse and worse.

Jack: Yes. And the possible investigation that we are partially the reason that humanity declined. And I had to fight that in the first place. So there's a lot of questions to answer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Questions that we've ignored for years and years and years because we're like, oh, it's fine, it's done. Anyways. That catches you guys up. If you guys are interested in finding out more things of this nature and finding out about all these discussions that we've had that now we have to slowly piece together and fix.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You can find those episodes on the official website greatthoughts.info on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or anywhere you get your podcasts and.

Cristina: You can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. UsConvopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe. That's very important. You'll be informed when new episodes arrive and rate and review the show and tell us what you think about it. And please Be with us in spirit and prayer, because s***'s hard.

Cristina: Is there a groundhog emoji? Send us some groundhog.

Jack: Send us a groundhog emoji.

Cristina: I don't know if that's a thing, but maybe, maybe. And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth. Depending. Regardless of whether actually. If you're in universe one or in universe three. It doesn't matter. Actually anybody who in heaven, there's no earth over there. But if somehow you're f****** hearing this and you understand what we're saying and you're in universe two, f*** it. Share it too.

Cristina: And if you're in four or five or six, if there's more.

Jack: Look, if there's more universes we don't know about, it's f****** great. Whatever. Share it. Tell people. Just probably.

Cristina: Maybe let us know how though, in the comments. They can't.

Jack: We wouldn't get their comment. They'd just put it in whatever version of this land in their universe.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We'll never see it, but that's fine. Do it anyways.

Cristina: Do it anyways. And this has been. Actually, it doesn't make sense because they'll be universe one to themselves. It's not like they'll have a number, though.

Jack: Yeah, they don't know where the f*** they are. Everybody's Universal Universe 1.

Cristina: Yeah. So that's not helpful at all. All right. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. It doesn't matter what they said. Just I'm grabbing onto my hand.

Jack: Isn't that the fear of being a woman though? Being held by random strangers? That's just a thing guys do.

Cristina: Oh, yes. Don't touch me.

Jack: That's what I mean. That's just a thing that guys do.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They just go. And they touch women for whatever reason.

Cristina: Is it some weird like universe that men do that all the time to other men and it's normal.

Jack: Gay guys do it. Oh, guys do it regardless of to who they're doing it to.

Cristina: Yeah, that's what I mean. Like, would you grab a strange girl's hand? I mean, not a strange girl, a guy. Would you grab another guy's hand?

Jack: No, but I'm not gay.

Cristina: Oh. It's just gay guys that grab hand.

Jack: Gay guys grab guy's hand regardless of straight or gay.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And guys, I'm. Yeah. Guys grab women. Straight guys grab women hands regardless of whether the woman is straight or gay or whether she wants it or not. And gay guys grab straight guy hands regardless of Whether they're straight or gay. And it's not just hand grabbing, it's touching and getting real close in proximity sort of invading personal space. There is a collective guy problem going on. It probably happens with women, but way less. Not to say that it's equal to rape. Rape wise, it's about 50. 50. It's just not discussed as often for women.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: But generally speaking, the violation of personal space. The problem is guys are way less sneaky than women.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so guys are just blatant and out there because they're like, society allows this from us. It's structured in such a way that what's a woman gonna do? The f*** she gonna do? Just f****** do nothing. She's gonna f****** back away and he's just gonna get closer.

Cristina: Yes. That is so gravy. Too.

Jack: F****** nothing's gonna happen to that guy. You can get scared, you can get off the train, he'll follow you for a bit, then you're going to go somewhere public and he's going to panic and leave and nothing's going to happen to him beyond that point.

Cristina: It's a horrible situation.

Jack: Yeah. And it's exactly how it plays out.

Cristina: It's not going to not be normal. That's so weird.

Jack: That's so f****** weird.

Cristina: Don't touch my hand.

Jack: And guys just do that s***. Just random guys. I don't understand what the mentality behind it is though. It is weird as f***.

Cristina: I don't know. Like, it's not romantic, is it?

Jack: No. I think, look, I think part of the problem is f****** pornography fried people's brains.

Cristina: You think people are following that?

Jack: Yes. Let's picture this. Plumber shows up at your door, he's about to fix your pipes and then he just gets too close and you decide, okay, time to f***. That's p***.

Cristina: Yeah, but she obviously wants him though. Like she's not like, oh, get away from me.

Jack: Yeah. It doesn't change the fact that guys have no idea how to read those differences. Guys are f****** stupid.

Cristina: Oh, okay. If he's in p***, she's very into it. She probably is the one that is like instigated.

Jack: Yeah. Cuz that's the guy's fantasy. She just wants to f*** me.

Cristina: Yeah, well, wait for that woman.

Jack: On the flip side, there's also such a thing as rape fantasies. Oh, that's problematic. There's also the fact that guys want to be the one to pursue. Yes, it's great to be pursued. But some guys want to dominate as well. They just like the, I, I succeeded at this myself. I accomplished a thing. She didn't want me. I made her want me. Now she does want me. That's so mentality.

Cristina: I don't know. That's kind of wrong, but. Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister, with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 117: Groundhog Day Shadow People

Just Conversation, Grounhog Day, Comedy, Holiday, Tradition, Shadow People

Exactly what happens on Groundhog day? Where did the tradition originate? And what are the deeper implications? A deep dive into Groundhog day and more.

Story:
Diving even deeper into the case of the shapeshifters, the duo realize that even national traditions have always been part of this great conspiracy of monster and politics. Unpacking the true implications of Groundhog Day takes the duo into previously uncharted territories and brings a new creature into play! What is it and how will they deal with the new found foe? All that and more on this episode of Just Conversation.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

  • Winter Solstice
  • Spring Equinox
  • Phil the Groundhog
  • Adrenochrome
  • Shadow People
  • Feral Shadow Figures
  • Media Manipulation
  • Ghosts
  • Fear
  • Jinn
  • Thought Forms
  • The Hat Man
  • E.T.
  • Aliens
  • Catholic Church

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+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Cristina: Welcome to Just Conversation, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

Cristina: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Jack: Yes. And also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner, so be sure to go find somebody kind and loving who doesn't like podcasts and introduce them to this show, because they will love podcast. Because that's how it works.

Cristina: That's how it works. They're just magically gonna love this podcast.

Jack: They're gonna love all podcasts after they listen to our podcast. If you've been trying to get somebody to listen to podcasts this entire time, you play them doing it this podcast, they'll be educated. They're gonna argue with each other. You get into good, like, healthy dialogue, and then you end up the End Up Loving podcast because they're like, wow, that was a real deep conversation. I don't normally have lengthy conversations with anybody. I know. All conversations I have are small talk.

Cristina: Or arguments.

Jack: Or arguments. Not really. Here's the. Here's the thing. People think they're arguing, but they're not.

Cristina: They're not. What are they doing?

Jack: Well, in order to have an argument.

Cristina: I guess they're not.

Jack: Need information to argue with.

Cristina: They get angry and then they walk away.

Jack: Yes. People get angry repeating their same unthought out, unfactually supported information over and over and over until they fail at convincing the other person, which should never be the goal.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then they leave.

Cristina: And then they leave. Yeah.

Jack: So you repeat your information, get angry. They don't believe your information because they already have their own information, and then you leave.

Cristina: That's.

Jack: That's what happens. It's not an argument. That's not a debate. That's just a person talking to themselves, getting angry and walking away.

Cristina: That's conversations today.

Jack: Yep. America.

Cristina: Yes. So anyways, remember that episode where we talked about weather, folklore, and weird stuff like that?

Jack: Yeah. Back in the year 2020.

Cristina: It was a long, long time ago.

Jack: Yeah. Back in those days when. When chaos reigned in the streets, cities were on fire and all that good stuff. Yes, I remember vaguely. It was so long ago.

Cristina: Yes. Well, in that episode, we talked a little bit about groundhogs.

Jack: Yeah, I remember that. People are out of their f****** minds.

Cristina: Yes. And I want to talk more about Groundhogs? Because they're magical beings that need to be talked about. Not magical like the wombat who poops out square. Poops. But they're still pretty magical.

Jack: Magical, yes.

Cristina: Groundhog's Day is always on February 2nd.

Jack: Now, okay, okay, before we move any further, why?

Cristina: Why is it always on February 2nd?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Because in the north, that day is the midpoint of the winter solstice and the spring equinox.

Jack: The f*** are those?

Cristina: The winter solstice is when it's the most dark the world is the darkest.

Jack: Like that's the day.

Cristina: Yes. That's the day that has the longest hours of night versus daylight versus the whole year. Yes.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: And then the spring equinox is when it's equal. Day and night is equal.

Jack: Okay, so this creates a problem because how are those both on the same day unless it's a different part of the world in which it's equal?

Cristina: What? Okay, what do you mean?

Jack: It can't both be the darkest day and the day with the most equal amount of light?

Cristina: No, that's. The spring equinox is the equal.

Jack: Oh, s***. And that's not on February 2nd?

Cristina: No, that's March. February 2nd is the middle point between when we have the darkest day and the equal of day and night. Because It's.

Jack: Oh. So February 2nd isn't the darkest day?

Cristina: No.

Jack: When is the darkest day?

Cristina: In December, in wherever the winter equinox is, it's like December 21st.

Jack: Oh, the first day of winter.

Cristina: Yeah, around that time.

Jack: Really?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Holy f***. The first day of winter is the darkest day of the year?

Cristina: Yes. For sure? I think so. I'm pretty sure.

Jack: And then that means the first day of spring is the most equal day of the year.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the first day of summer would then, by extension, be the brightest day of the year.

Cristina: Yes. Well, then around the day, it's not perfectly on the day, but, you know.

Jack: They just kind of summarize. Not summarize it, but, like, round it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which means that February has an equinox. Not February, Autumn.

Cristina: Yes. Yes.

Jack: There are two equinoxes.

Cristina: Yes. There's two equinoxes, and then there's one.

Jack: Brightest day and one darkest day.

Cristina: Yeah. The winter solstice and the summer solstice, I guess.

Jack: F***. Maybe it's called the same thing, but it might have its own name.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: Interesting. Fascinating. Two equinoxes, a solstice, maybe a second solstice and. Or something else.

Cristina: And this day, though, is in between the solstice and the equinox. Which is just pretty much the middle of winter, I guess, would be.

Jack: No, this would be the end of winter, wouldn't it?

Cristina: Well, I guess it depends on the groundhog, if you think about it, because the groundhog is telling us whether winter is ending early or it's going to last.

Jack: That's weird because that doesn't. See, here's the. Here's the problem with that logic.

Cristina: Right.

Jack: We have this creature that's deciding whether the weather itself is going to be extended or the season is going to be extended. Because I think it's choosing whether it's going to stay cold and not weather. Winter, because winter is just a period.

Cristina: No, it's a measurement. It's the weather, I guess. Yeah, it's the weather.

Jack: Yeah. Because we're using a measurement system essentially, with the seasons. Like, the season doesn't stretch out.

Cristina: No, no.

Jack: Like it could be colder beyond the season.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So interesting. It might actually. I don't know, depends. It might be towards the middle, though, because the idea here would be. Right. That the middle of winter would be about. So winter starts December 21st.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or 23rd, something like that. A whole month later is January 23rd.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The middle of winter should be half a month beyond that point, which would be the beginning of February.

Cristina: Okay, so then that's the middle of winter. Yeah.

Jack: Because every season is three months.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So it's exactly the middle of winter, which means it's half a winter away from spring.

Cristina: Mm. And people want to know, is the spring weather coming or not? Or I guess, is the winter weather going to continue until spring?

Jack: Yeah, like it's going to touch in through spring. That happens often. Spring is a weak a** season.

Cristina: It is.

Jack: Spring doesn't last.

Cristina: So sad. It's such a great season, but it's weak.

Jack: Yeah. Summer and winter are the. The powerhouses when it comes to seasons, at least in our region.

Cristina: So the big question on February 2 is, will Phil see his shadow?

Jack: We call a random. That's the name of the f****** thing, isn't it?

Cristina: Yes, it's always Phil.

Jack: Is Phil immortal? Are we, like, thinking it's the same f****** groundhog?

Cristina: Oh, yes.

Jack: Really?

Cristina: There's a whole backstory. Okay. His name is Pangsatani. Phil Panxutani. That's the place he comes from. That's the name of the city in Pennsylvania where Phil lives. So he's named after that city, but we'll call him Phil because that's easier to say. And, you know, if Phil sees his shadow, there's more weeks of winter the lore, though, is that there is only one Phil, and all the other groundhogs are imposters.

Jack: Okay. Is Phil immortal?

Cristina: Yes. There has been one groundhog that's been making these predictions since 1886, and he is kept alive by drinking the elixir of life that is given to him at the groundhog picnic every fall.

Jack: Oh, my. Everything comes back to it.

Cristina: What goes back to what?

Jack: To adrenochrome.

Cristina: To adrenochrome. You think they're giving him the adrenochrome?

Jack: They're giving him adrenochrome. And that's how the f*** this groundhog is staying alive.

Cristina: Ah, that's so crazy. Although him being the only groundhog is also crazy.

Jack: Immortality. We already know that the Holy Grail was an ancient method of creating adrenochrome. It was a chalice filled with blood, which, by the way, we definitely have to talk about at some point.

Cristina: And we'll call that the elixir of life.

Jack: The elixir of life is adrenochrome.

Cristina: Oh, okay. What?

Jack: You'd need a virgin's blood.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Inside a chalice. The chalice really didn't matter. It was what was in the chalice that mattered.

Cristina: Which is the child's blood. Feeding that to a badger.

Jack: It's a badger.

Cristina: I mean, to groundhog. We're giving that to a groundhog?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: What? Why are we wasting it on a groundhog? That's weird. Unless we really believe his powers.

Jack: That's where it goes. Here's the thing. We've already established Adrenochrome gives at least some weird other dimensional creature powers to some degree and allows them to keep their shape on this side of the realm. So it reacts differently depending on who we give it to. It's kind of like, like the X gene or some, you know, like it presents itself different. It's coronavirus. It's different in everybody.

Cristina: It's different. Everyone.

Jack: And so you give it to the groundhog, to the groundhog, and it has weather prediction powers. You give it to humans, they become immortal. And some of them react particularly weird and get really fast, really strong, really quick.

Cristina: This groundhog gets a really weak power, though. I mean, besides living forever, that's pretty good.

Jack: That's pretty good. I don't think that groundhog is arguing. It's like, they'll bring this to me. I don't have to do s*** else but tell them about the weather.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: My question is, is the groundhog self aware? Like it has to be at this point, right? Like it comes out knowing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I just gotta tell them about the.

Cristina: Weather because there's more to the story.

Jack: Oh, please, do tell.

Cristina: Okay, so according to the Groundhog Club, Phil, after he makes his prediction, speaks to the president of the club in the language of groundhoggies, which only the club president can understand, and then he can translate what Phil said to him. So.

Jack: Okay, okay, so to be perfectly clear, yes. That groundhog is part of the elites, and that's how he has access to the Adrenochrome. There is a weird, like, blood pact happening here in which he is definitely part of a club.

Cristina: Yes, he's a part of a club. He has the secret language.

Jack: Yeah. Whatever club this is has access to adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that groundhog and the Queen have connections that they both know of.

Cristina: Mm. He might be named after Prince Philip.

Jack: Holy s***.

Cristina: His name is Phil?

Jack: No, man. And so this groundhog is a fully. Like other groundhogs are just groundhogs. This is a groundhog that thinks to the capacity of a human. He just doesn't speak English.

Cristina: Yeah, he speaks this other language, so.

Jack: It looks like he has a s***** power, but immortality and the IQ of an average human are kind of nice perks for a groundhog. Basically, he can outsmart every groundhog. Always. Forever.

Cristina: Yes. That's why he's spreading this lie that all the other groundhogs are imposters. I don't know why he lie.

Jack: That's the truth. They don't have the Adrenochrome.

Cristina: Oh, they're not him.

Jack: They're not him. Yeah, it's not that they're. It's not like the birdhogs. Yeah, it's not like the birds.

Cristina: Like the birds. Oh, being imposters.

Jack: Yeah, it's not like that.

Cristina: So Groundhog Day comes from Celtic and Germanic traditions that say if a hibernating animal casts a shadow on that date, winter will last longer. Just like the groundhog. In Germany they watch the badger, and in France and England they use a.

Jack: Bear, which is epic in so many.

Cristina: Different ways and sounds really dangerous.

Jack: It does. It definitely does. But assuming that the same circumstance that takes place with the groundhog, where it gets its dose of adrenochrome, its intellect rises to that of a human and it only needs a single dose a year. It is no longer just a violent, savage animal. Now it's the apex elite, intellectually superior one of its kind. Not only that, but this is us assuming that there are a fuckton of different animals who are part of this Club of elites. There is one of however many different animals inside of a club where the elites are. Meaning it's completely possible that they have connections that are similar to one another. So, like, there could be a intellectual bear that is sharing connections with somebody like the queen, who also requires adrenochrome for her immortality.

Cristina: Yes, she definitely. She's. How is she? What?

Jack: Yes, that's particularly interesting. Now, the question is. So this groundhog takes adrenochrome, its intellect rises, it's immortal, it gets this power to predict the weather.

Cristina: Maybe it has powers to predict other things, but only on this specific day, though, because why in this weird. In between spring and winter, it needs to predict. Because maybe it needs to predict a lot more than just the weather.

Jack: And what the people get told is only about the weather. Yes, which is interesting. Proof of this possibly being the case is similar to when people take psilocybin mushrooms. You can have two completely different people who've never met the same guy who gave them the drugs, don't know anything other than they're gonna have a great trip. You give it to them, they go trip on their own things. They've never done any research. They're both gonna come back and they're both gonna say one thing that's commonly discussed within the groups of people who do psilocybin. And it's pink elephants.

Cristina: Pink elephants.

Jack: You have pink elephants? Pink elephants. A creature who seem. That seems to not exist. Sometimes they're very tiny, tiny pink elephants. And it's like, okay, what the h*** are you talking about? But how do you both have this story? You don't know each other. You didn't come here together. I saw you one at a time. You didn't do any research. Why do you both know about pink elephants? They must be real. There must be pink elephants. And taking psilocybin mushrooms removes a filter that blocks them out. There must be a realm that we can't see without them.

Cristina: You think adrenochrome also helps you see this realm?

Jack: Adrenochrome could either help you see this realm or something equal to it, or something, maybe not necessarily a different realm. Who knows what it's doing? Because like any other chemical, it's affecting your body. And we know for a fact it's affecting their mind to the point that this groundhog can engage in dialogue with a member of the club.

Cristina: And maybe they chose the shadow for a specific reason, because it's communicating or it's getting information from the shadow, like it's a creature itself.

Jack: That is fascinating. So the possibility that maybe the groundhog doesn't get the ability to predict the.

Cristina: Future, the ability to communicate with a different creature.

Jack: Yes. Maybe it's not seeing the future of the weather. Maybe all it does is become immortal and become intelligent enough to communicate with a person at the degree of a person, but in their own language.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Really, what you need this creature to have those things for, that's the reward the creature gets for being a Kinect, a connect.

Cristina: Why wouldn't they need a human to connect?

Jack: Because whatever the case is, the groundhog has whatever it is to see whatever this shadow thing is that's giving it information.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. That reminds me of shadow people, which is like, we can't see them. So maybe the groundhog can see them because in the stories we only see them through the edge of our eye or something. It's always that kind of thing of you sort of see the creature, but you never really see it.

Jack: Like, you can never look straight at it.

Cristina: You can never look straight at it. Maybe he can look straight at this thing.

Jack: Interesting, interesting. So the possibility that a groundhog gets rewarded with immortality and high intellect, thus allowing it to survive amongst its kind as the superior, maybe even the leader of the groundhogs, that's its reward for conveying information from these shadow creatures to the club leader. It's kind of like aliens. We basically have somebody who can communicate with aliens, except it's like a demon or something.

Cristina: What is a demon?

Jack: The shadow. What the f*** is the shadow people?

Cristina: The shadow people. Oh, that is complicated. So complicated. There are people who think that shadow people have been around forever and that every story about shadows is relating to shadow people, because many religions, legends and folklore and stuff like that mention shadow people or like shadow entities. They might not call them people, but there's no real. You can't really see them. You know, no one could really see them.

Jack: And because we can't see them, we can't really interact with them in any kind of way that we know they're as intelligent as people.

Cristina: We assume that they're all the same thing, too.

Jack: Like they're one race of things.

Cristina: Yeah. So we call them the shadow people and the shadow people that we know that people think of. Now, though, this new idea of it, the idea that shadow people have always been around comes from a radio show that talked to a Native American elder named Thunderstrikes. And she made the shadow people popular pretty much because she talked about it. And then a bunch of people brought in images and Drawings of what shadow people look like. And it became a popular thing. Maybe it's mass hysteria.

Jack: Total possibility. But the problem is we have a groundhog that's communicating with something.

Cristina: Yeah, well, there's a bunch of people who claim to have recordings and images of these shadow people on video. And I tried watching these videos and I'm not sure what they are. They could be, I don't know, they're shadow looking people. They look like your shadow. They look like your shadow, the ones in the videos. So I don't know if this is really video of shadow people or just a shadow or a ghost. That's another option. But the mentioning of shadow, like people throughout history. There's like in the Quran they mention a pitch black sapient being that isn't entirely spiritual or physical.

Jack: Interesting. So it's not spiritual, but it's not a solid physical being. Is it evil?

Cristina: People think it's evil. There's a lot of people that think it's evil. There's the only positive thing that it could be is a guardian angel. But I don't see that as one of the explanations.

Jack: Fascinating, because you have to associate dark with evil inherently.

Cristina: Yes, that's. I think that's why. Yeah.

Jack: So it's more likely we'd assume it's some sort of a demon.

Cristina: And the people in ancient Europe, you're not going to believe this, but they thought of the shadow beings as beings that wanted blood and without it couldn't be reborn.

Jack: And without it couldn't be reborn.

Cristina: Yes. What? What? Blood is always involved somehow.

Jack: Blood is always involved somehow. Adrenochroma is overpowered. The question is, what do they want blood from? Right. If they want blood from humans, why don't they just wait until you're sleeping?

Cristina: They do.

Jack: They wait until you're sleeping?

Cristina: Some of them do.

Jack: They're not trying to get adrenochrome by scaring you first? Maybe lingering in the corner or something that has energy.

Cristina: All those answers? Yes.

Jack: Then how the. So it's not adrenochrome if they just want blood?

Cristina: Well, they thought they just wanted blood. The people in ancient Europe believed that they wanted blood. But it could be more than just blood.

Jack: It could be adrenochrome.

Cristina: It could be adrenochrome.

Jack: This is interesting. So we have these people who basically have the chalice, Holy grail, the f****** elixir of life, fountain of youth, which is kill some kids after you've scared them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And now you have adrenochrome, then go feed that Adrenochrome to animals. Take it yourself, too. You'll be immortal. It's assuring immortality to every creature of physical, biological presence. But it gives you abilities aside from immortality. So the queen might be seeing the future. This groundhog is immortal and is given the intellect of a human. Maybe anything that takes it has the intellect of a human. Which is why these older people who are on adrenochrome are incredibly sharp. It's not just they're immortal. Even if they're still aging, their mind stays sharp as f***.

Cristina: Whoa. What if they're. Okay, the ghost thing, Right? What if when these people die, their ghosts live on and they still need adrenochrome to continue living?

Jack: Holy s***. So you're telling me that the. The Shadow People are the original people who haven't, like, left this plane? They've just become this.

Cristina: Sort of Just get addicted to being here and. Or maybe they just fear dying. Yeah.

Jack: They've become an ethereal version of themselves.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Interesting. So once your physical existence ceases, that does not mean you are dead. You still need.

Cristina: You still need it.

Jack: So then what we're saying is that humans taking adrenochrome can't see or communicate with the Shadow People. But we know the Shadow People are still members of the club that gave them the adrenal chrome that made them immortal in the first place.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So the people in the Shadow Realm, then, have access to information that we don't on this side. They're kind of like ghosts that exist, maybe in different times. Maybe they have access to information that is not inherent to us.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So us with the. Because they can't even come in contact with us. Right.

Cristina: Well, when they attack us.

Jack: So they don't need the club members. So are they just helping us tell the future?

Cristina: Yeah. Well, those people, it's not like they're.

Jack: Doing it for Adrenochrome because they can just go get Adrenochrome.

Cristina: I guess if they're, like, feeding for Adrenochrome, they're gonna attack people? And some of them wait patiently for Adrenochrome to be given to them. Yeah. While others are like, no, I need this Adrenochrome now. Because they're still pretty human. I'm guessing. If they come from human, there's still a lot human about them.

Jack: Yeah. Because they're still sentient, thinking beings.

Cristina: Yes. What?

Jack: But they communicate through this groundhog and. Or other animals.

Cristina: And a lot of these stories, for some reason, they see red eyes. I don't know. Why? But not all of them have red eyes. But some of them do. So maybe the ones that are attacking when you're sleeping are the ones with red eyes.

Jack: Interesting. So they don't always see red eyes.

Cristina: Those are probably the ones that need it the most.

Jack: Well, this reminds me a lot of, like, Fallout 4, right. Where you have ghouls, but you also have feral ghouls.

Cristina: Feral ghouls. These are feral shadow people.

Jack: Yes. So you have the people who can remain sane in this condition.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And they're just like, it is what it is. But then you have the people who this is too much for.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they go crazy, and they become these. So there could be millions of these things out there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But the only ones we're aware of are the ones doing crazy, creepy s***, because those are the ones interfering with normal life.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's kind of like the difference between a good cop and a bad cop. There's way more good cops. There's way more good cops.

Cristina: We're talking about the best single percent.

Jack: Of a single percent of a single percent is the bad cop. But that's the only one we aim a camera at.

Cristina: Yes. And people are beginning to see them more. These things. They're seeing them. They're actually seeing them for longer periods of time. Something's changed once it became popular. Something. Something of the behavior of these shadow.

Jack: People have changed once it became popular. Well, assuming the elites. Right. The way they usually work is through media. They normalize something, and then it's more acceptable because it's popular.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Usually they have to force it into media. You want gay to be normal? Okay. We need to put it on tv, we need to put it in movies, we need to put in video games. Now, gay is normal. You want transgender normal? You put in movies, you put in video games. Okay. You want autism normal, Put in video games, whatever. Shadow people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You want it normalized? Somebody has to mention it. This Native American mentioned it. Now it became popular. It's more so now people are more open to it. Eventually, we're gonna have horror movies showing the bad side, but then eventually there's gonna be, like, that zombie Warm Bodies, where there's. Somebody's gonna fall in love with a shadow person.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To normalize.

Cristina: Shadow what?

Jack: Shadow people are.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I'm sure there were good shadow people in, like, Harry Potter or something.

Cristina: Oh, probably. But at the moment, it seems like the shadow people are very negative. There might be some that are good, because how do people think. They might be guardian angels.

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: So there might Be some good ones, but most of them are negative. And most of the encounters accompany some feeling of dread with it, which is kind of adrenochrome. Y. Because they're. They're after that feeling.

Jack: Yes. They're trying to.

Cristina: They're making this feeling. They don't. They want you to feel that way. That's the purpose.

Jack: Yeah. Fear and misery is necessary, but some people have been.

Cristina: Have claimed to have actually been physically attacked with scratches and burns and being choked while they are sleeping during. What is that called? During sleep paralysis.

Jack: Now, the question is, is sleep paralysis even sleep paralysis, or is it you being restrained by shadow people?

Cristina: It could be you being restrained by shadow people because you always see that thing in the corner or whatever during that attack. So it could be the same thing. It could be waiting for something like that to happen too. So it's. We don't know which of the two came first.

Jack: I guess maybe they're not actively holding you down, but the reason you always see that thing isn't because they're waiting there. Rather, being this sort of ethereal being gives them this ability to hold you down, hold you down with their ethereal mind.

Cristina: They got abilities like the groundhog having abilities.

Jack: Because adrenochrome gives you abilities, except as a human, it gives you certain abilities. As a groundhog, it gives you certain abilities. But as an ethereal shadow person, the abilities it gives you are completely. You're no longer human. You have a whole other set of responses other than immortality.

Cristina: Mm. What? And because now that we're seeing them more, though, there are so many different types of how they could look like, like, ranging from a small child or a figure, a tall figure wearing a hat. I saw a video of the child. To me, it looks like a ghost. I don't think it's. It should be counted as shadow people, but it's. There's a line, I think, between ghost and shadow people.

Jack: My question is what we.

Cristina: Oh, well, I guess in this story, what we're talking about, they are ghosts. They're just ghosts with adrenochrome.

Jack: Well, here, let me point this out. The possibility that what people have been calling ghosts this whole time versus what we believe ghosts are, we've landed on what other people were talking about. Because when we talk about ghosts, we've landed on a ghost is more likely just some sort of echo. We're either seeing a different point in time, sort of phasing through our time briefly.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or we're seeing a loop, some behavior that is echoing, repeating over and over. Which is why we see the same people walk through walls. And it's because there was a door there at some point or something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we're either seeing events from a different time happen in our current time and we can't interact with it. We're just seeing a faded out, phased version of it. Or we're seeing an echo repeat itself. It's not a conscious being doing anything. Or it is, but it's conscious in its own time. We wouldn't be able to change what's happening there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: While the dead, lingering, quote, spirit unquote.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Thing that is making active choices. Although people call that a ghost. Oh, it's following me. It's trying to. All these horrible things of. It's haunting me. It shows up in the middle of the night. It scares me. It does this. It tells me it's gonna kill me or leave this place or any of this bullshit.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's. That ghost is a shadow person.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And what we've been calling a ghost, just an echo or a phased sight of a different time. So ghosts should no longer be ghosts. Unless you're gonna make a distinction between a ghost and a phantom and say a phantom is a shadow person and a ghost is an echo.

Cristina: Well, people, if they don't call it a ghost, they think of it as a spirit. Like it's in a. I guess the spirit is a broader category that ghost is involved. But it's not a ghost. But it's still in that type of realm. So if that word is good enough. I don't know. Spirit, ghost.

Jack: I don't know. Ghost is really a spirit is really broad. It really is. I feel like spirits more of just an energy, while a phantom seems to have some consciousness to it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Unless we're gonna say the phantom is.

Cristina: The echo, the phantom is the echo and the ghost is the shadow. No, I like ghost. No. I don't know.

Jack: Whatever. Point is, one of them is an echo or a phase time loop. And the other one.

Cristina: These are two different things that live in the spirit world.

Jack: Exactly. Okay, well, one of them lives in the spirit. No, they don't live in the spirit world. The shadow people live in here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's no spirit world.

Cristina: There's this argument. Okay.

Jack: It's both here. Except one of them is a different time or an echo.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And both of those cases are kind of like faded out and hard to see because it's not really here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: While the other is the possibility that it's just a shadow person and that Seems likely. Because why would a ghost need you to be scared? And they're not just gonna have fun with it now it's like. Well, it's exciting to scare people. No, this should be a goal.

Cristina: Casper. It's just fun to scare people.

Jack: Well, no, you kind of just. There should always be a goal. Otherwise, you're gonna maximize your experience.

Cristina: Y.

Jack: So there's a goal. You need to do this for some reason. Why do so many ghosts want to scare people? Because fear.

Cristina: They're getting adrenaline. Yes.

Jack: And then you drain the person or. Fair enough. Think about it like this, right? We see the Holy Spirit and God. God needs adrenochrome. Thus mass genocides and murders and the Twin Towers falling and shooting fire out of the sky to kill many people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or creating panics in the world that last long times. And scare people. And he feeds off of the fear. When the fear doesn't work, he needs to kill for the blood.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But the fear gives him what he needs.

Cristina: The fear is a much easier way.

Jack: Yes. So maybe as these shadow people, these phantoms, they are.

Cristina: They're doing the same thing.

Jack: The same thing. They're scaring people again.

Cristina: If they can't scare them, they're attacking people. They're being physical with you.

Jack: Yes. They will get more aggressive if they're.

Cristina: Not getting what they need.

Jack: What they need. If you're scared, they'll never hurt you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because you're consistently scared. You're always checking under your bed. You're always panicking in the middle of the night. They're getting what they need from you.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But the harder you are, the harder they are. And this comes back to the same story we were talking about with Jehovah. Maybe his ultimate goal is to get somebody to transcend and be the next God. Because maybe he was just a person in a system that was trying to breed one next God so that his God could go do whatever it's doing or die. So he takes place.

Cristina: So do you think these shadow people are competing for that job?

Jack: They don't know they're competing for that job. They're just trying to stay alive. But they've already crossed to the next threshold.

Cristina: Yeah. They're closer to him than we are. Than we are. Yeah.

Jack: Yes. Because they're already learning how to use not. They don't have to go kill somebody. They can just scare somebody to get it. Killing somebody's last resort now. Because they could just cause fear and get what they need when they can't. We got to go and off Some. Somebody.

Cristina: I think we figured it out.

Jack: Very interesting.

Cristina: Here are some other things that the shadow person could be. We talked about this creature, and in the sleep paralysis episode, it's called a jinn. And the jinns are creatures that are invisible, but when they do appear, they have a misty appearance that's almost human like. And we talked about how people who have sleep paralysis think it's this creature, the jinn, in a certain location where sleep paralysis is very common.

Jack: So a jinn and a shadow person are the same thing?

Cristina: Yes. It also could be thought forms. Have you ever heard of that? Thought form? Yes, Thought.

Jack: Thinking.

Cristina: Thought. Yes, Thinking, thought form.

Jack: Like you're projecting what you're seeing.

Cristina: Yes. Whether intentional or not, all these negative thoughts and energies, you're manifesting it. Yes. And all of us like a bunch of people together now. After someone made it on the radio talking about it, it became more real than it was before.

Jack: Interesting. Similar to a jinn that does show itself in Shinto. Occasionally a thought form is also, I don't know, had a name. But there are these sort of phantasm spiritual beings. Shinto is packed with spirits. And one of them is these things that negative energies do manifest. Beings that are corrupt and like, twisted and malicious. Because your good doesn't form a being, your good stays in you. Your body tries to expel the evil.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that has to go somewhere. And it collects and it forms these beings.

Cristina: Yes. That's a pretty good explanation. Then what? It could. They could also be interdimensional beings, which we talked about.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: But a while ago, I read a psychic medium talk about shadow people and that they're intelligent beings from a different dimension that can take different forms. That's probably why we see these beings as shadows, because we're not really looking at them, because we can't really see them because they're from a different dimension. So we're looking at a glimpse of them, maybe. Is that how interdimension works?

Jack: Well, here's the weirdest part about. Because it's problematic when somebody claims interdimensional. They don't understand dimensions because we exist on every dimension all at once.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This becomes a bit of an issue when we're talking. We're basically talking about alternate universe. Oh, beings from a different universe, beings from a different type of reality.

Cristina: So now something from the fifth dimension that we're having a glimpse of.

Jack: Well, it wouldn't work that way because they would also exist in the third dimension.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So there's this shadow person. There's a specific type of shadow person that is called the hats man. He wears a top hat and a suit, and he's seen as being demonic or evil. I'm not sure. What's the difference between demonic or evil? They're the same, right?

Jack: No. You could be a demon. That's not evil.

Cristina: You're demonic, though.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Demonic means being demon.

Jack: Yeah, Demonic is the act of being a demon.

Cristina: Okay. So he's either. He's one or the other, I guess.

Jack: The state of being a demon.

Cristina: Yes. And there's this author who investigates all these things, these shadow people. Her name is Heidi Hollis, and she says these beings and others like it are trying to build an army for the dark side.

Jack: What the f*** does that mean for h***?

Cristina: Aliens.

Jack: For aliens.

Cristina: Aliens. We get to aliens. So some people claim that the shadow people might be aliens that abducted people. Some people say that they're the victims of the great aliens. And then that these aliens can pass through walls and close windows and have advanced technology to make them appear and disappear. And it sounds a lot like shadow people, I guess. Yeah. So there's a paranormal expert named Rosemary Ellen Gully who says she discovered that many people who have shadow people experience also had ET Experiences as adductees. So aliens and shadow people might be connected somehow.

Jack: That's fascinating. Aliens and shadow. So the possibility that shadow people are just a product of not really being shadow people, but aliens using advanced technology that thus makes them appear as shadow people because they're, like, phasing out of existence or not really, but they would appear as such stealth technology and whatnot?

Cristina: Yes. Is that amazing?

Jack: So that you're. You're having, quote, sleep paralysis, unquote. You're laying there, you see this shadow being, but that's you sort of kind of seeing a phased alien.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they're just studying you. Maybe that's why you're experiencing paralysis in the first place or something.

Cristina: Yeah. Maybe the gray being is being seen as a black shadow. Yeah. So this other lady that I mentioned before, Hade Hollis, she published the book called the Secret War, where she goes into the information she's collected about shadow people, and she says the shadow people are related to grays and reptilian people.

Jack: Grays and reptilian people?

Cristina: Yes. Yes. The shadow people are. Those are related somehow to them. And she says that the shadow people don't want to be spotted. Of course. And in her book, she provides a bunch of ways to decrease the encounters if you don't want to be attacked.

Jack: By these beings, don't Be a young child.

Cristina: Don't be. No one of them is. Master your fear and don't let it control you.

Jack: Right, monk? S***.

Cristina: Yes. Focus on positive thoughts.

Jack: So meditate.

Cristina: Hold your ground.

Jack: What the f***?

Cristina: Hold your ground. I don't know. You're being pushed down anyways, so I don't. Hold your ground, though. Use the name of Jesus to repel them. That always works.

Jack: And we've made that journey. We've made the circle.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The possibility that there is no such thing as shadow people is presented the possibility that some a****** inside of a church was sitting around and he's like, what other weird s*** can I tell people about so that they come to church?

Cristina: Shadow people.

Jack: Shadow people.

Cristina: Just like vampires.

Jack: Just like were witches, witches, F****** everything.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Wet, wet, chud, chudge, f****** demons. Demons, everything, all of it. Church made it all up.

Cristina: You think they made up aliens, man?

Jack: Probably.

Cristina: I mean, these are just gonna find out that we gotta rep. Yes.

Jack: Come on. Yeah, come on. There's no longer aliens. I don't believe in aliens anymore. I don't believe in aliens anymore. Now. Now the church made them up.

Cristina: The church made aliens?

Jack: The church made everything up?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's nothing but us on this world. The Earth is probably flat. They said aliens. The Earth is flat. I don't care. Now I'm a flat earther.

Cristina: Because they're the ones that say earth is flat.

Jack: No, because they said aliens. They said you can fight them off by saying Jesus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So.

Cristina: No, but they also think the Earth is flat and the Reptilians live in the center of it. So.

Jack: No, they can't live at the center of something flat.

Cristina: They do. They.

Jack: That's not the Christians.

Cristina: That's not the. They're. They're Christian.

Jack: No, the flat Earthers aren't Christian.

Cristina: Some of them are.

Jack: I mean, there's some cross pollination here and there, but like.

Cristina: Yes, but they have more religious beliefs of like. Like God wants us to know. They don't want us to know about flat earth because Satan.

Jack: Oh, you're right. And because paradise is over the ice wall or some s*** like that.

Cristina: Yes. And the Reptilians, I guess, live there and not the center, Right?

Jack: Yeah, not the center, actually.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Allegedly we, man. Because even in this weird version of where there's more out there, we're the center of it for whatever reason. Like we can't just be in the second ring and there's something in the middle that you can't access. No, no, no. We're still super special.

Cristina: Always in the center.

Jack: Yeah, we're super special always.

Cristina: Yes. So there you go. Feels good.

Jack: It always comes back to religion. The church is just a bunch of liars trying to scare people to go to church.

Cristina: That's all it is. That's.

Jack: That's all it is. Because they get money. They get money from you being there. You give them money directly and they get tax cuts and, and donations. Giant, huge donations. But because you get. No, you don't get to have to pay tax. You get to keep every penny from the donation.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's the most profitable business in all of existence.

Cristina: It is. Well, if the shadow people do exist, they thrive on the fear of the.

Jack: Unknown, which is the whole adrenochrome problem.

Cristina: Yeah. So.

Jack: So look, in reality it's really coming down to the fact that they're probably dead elites.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or not dead, but transcended elites to this different state. Evolved elites.

Cristina: Yeah. They show up, they hang around feeding off the fear and dread that they cause by their appearance. Yes. Like it's already scary.

Jack: They can also maybe take different shapes. Maybe the medium is right. In which they are very self aware. They're like intelligent beings and they can take many shapes, but they're being from a different dimension. Maybe what she means is they're in a different state.

Cristina: And they're the ancient Europeans that thought that they drink blood. This sounds a lot like vampires. And that vampires may not have a true shape and no blood drinker might have a true shape. And these beings don't have a true shape. They can turn into beings.

Jack: We don't see humans doing this. We see shapeshifters look like humans.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And do this. So it's possible that these shadow people, let's just call them gyms from this point forward. That these jinns can manifest in a fully human looking form with flesh and everything at will.

Cristina: Yes, that's just there.

Jack: That's a vampire.

Cristina: Yes. And we call them a vampire. But it's the same thing as the werewolf. As the.

Jack: Interesting enough. There's this scenario. One of the many stories of vampires which I think we discussed on one of the episodes about vampires was that they can become sort of a cloud.

Cristina: Yeah, that's one of the stories.

Jack: And what is closer to a cloud than an anomalous shadow? What is black smoke?

Cristina: Its truest form is the cloud.

Jack: Yes, it's black smoke of some sort. It's shapeless.

Cristina: It's shapeless. What? Wow.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Connecting those dots.

Cristina: So that's.

Jack: Yeah. It's possible that elites Take it. And that doesn't make them a vampire. Not yet. Unless there's two different kinds of vampires. Because we also know that vampires and zombies are very similar. They. You need to have blood running through your veins as a vampire. So maybe we're thinking about two different things now. We've got into a weird different scenario where there is a different kind of. Where there's a shape shifter.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And one of the things a shapeshifter can pretend to be is a vampire.

Cristina: And these shapeshifters though, are dead people. Dead elites. What if there are some dead elites that can't leave their body and they become a vampire? Zombies.

Jack: Zombies.

Cristina: They can't do anything. They're just.

Jack: Because they'd be.

Cristina: And they can't drink blood or they're not.

Jack: They can't control the body.

Cristina: They can't control the body. So they become feral and they. That's what we think of as the zombies.

Jack: So. Interesting. Interesting.

Cristina: Because they can become feral in their ghost like form. So they could become feral in their zombie form. Not being able to trick us into drinking. Letting them drink our blood. There's no other way.

Jack: Holy crap. You know what I just realized? Holy s***. One, all of it has to do with adrenochrome. Step number one.

Cristina: Okay. Yes.

Jack: Step number two, There are different states. And I can prove it using past information that we didn't f****** consider for whatever reason.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Okay. A wet judge. A Wendigo demon like creatures. Spirit like creatures that look like. What? Like wolves. What do people use to communicate with shadow people? Or what do people use to tell the weather animals?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What happens when you drink adrenochrome? You become this immortal being. Eventually you die, but you stay alive. Your body, physical form dies and you become this sort of phantasm, this sort of ghost like thing. Some people use bears, some people use badgers. Some people use groundhogs. What stops some people from using a wolf? And the wolf gets the intellect of a person. It gets immortality. At least in conscious form.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then when its physical body dies, it could be a werewolf.

Cristina: Oh crap.

Jack: Or it could be a wetchat.

Cristina: The same rules leading to different creatures dying too.

Jack: Eventually. Eventually their physical form goes, but they don't die. They move to the next thing, which.

Cristina: Is whatever the people are. They pretty much become the same thing as the elites that are dying.

Jack: Yes. This a whole thing of jinns, a ton of different djins. The Wetcha is just a djinn.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the Wendingo is just a djinn.

Cristina: Okay, so it's not just one thing that's becoming all these different things? In a way, yes. Because they're in the same realm.

Jack: Yes. The same reason is leading to it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Adrenochrome.

Cristina: It's adrenochrome. Yeah.

Jack: So there's an entire world of shadow beings that we have no access to unless they choose to interact with us.

Cristina: So you think aliens have anything to do with this?

Jack: If aliens are going through the same processes, there would be aliens that are the same, because we assume aliens came naturally as a response of the world. They might look completely different or whatever, but there should be. I mean, I guess you'd have to be biological in the first place in order to consume adrenochrome in the first place and then in your next state, use fear.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But assuming biological aliens evolved throughout the world, in that case, they can use adrenochrome and when they die, they do become shadow people, thus being these types of shadow people. And assuming they're advanced enough to have advanced technologies to be able to change their physical frequencies, maybe they can literally communicate with one of themselves who's transcended the physical form because of technology. Adrenochrome. Oh, you can use technology to communicate somebody who's transcended due to adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they. It's no different. It's just you're going to the next phase, but they can still communicate with you actively without the use of adrenochrome, because technology, man.

Cristina: So we've connected everything.

Jack: Yes, everything is connected. Not only that, but the shape shifting nature of it. Resolution means we managed to say shape shifters are all these things. And yes, they are one species of thing, but they're also many different things.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The same way we were saying that these shapeshifters might be like the difference between a big dog and a small dog. The shadow people, the djinns, are the same. They were still biological creatures, but it's a difference between a human and a dog. You've traced them back far enough. They came from the same thing. And that's what's happening with shape shifters. Shapeshifters are just shadow people. Shadow people are just gins.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they are all a result of adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Being taken when they were alive to retain immortality and to transcend without losing consciousness. It's preserving consciousness. That's the ultimate goal.

Cristina: And some of them just can't. They fail. Become violent.

Jack: Yes, they become violent. Feral.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: The feral version.

Cristina: Yes. Yep.

Jack: How f****** interesting.

Cristina: We got it. And So I thought shadow people is interesting enough, but what about our shadows?

Jack: What about our shadows?

Cristina: What are they?

Jack: A lack of photons.

Cristina: A lack of photons?

Jack: Yes. Let's say light hits you from one direction. Thus photons generated land on the surfaces that you're not blocking. They reflect back and you see them brighter. And the spots where the photons aren't landing remain dark.

Cristina: Well, there's many, many superstitions and beliefs about shadows before, I guess we knew before the science explanation of shadows. And one of them was that the shadow was the soul.

Jack: So you're always stepping on your soul.

Cristina: Well, you're connected to your soul, you're not stepping on it.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: It changes throughout the day because it's like your soul, it's not perfect, your soul's not perfect, your shadow is not perfect.

Jack: That's a cool a** belief to assume that your shadow is your soul and you can just look at it.

Cristina: Mm. And then another one is that the shadow is a double, which is pretty much just a copy of you, which makes sense. It is a copy of you, but it's not a perfect copy of you. It's just a. It's just a copy of yourself.

Jack: The two dimensional cut of yourself. That's what it is. It's a two dimensional slit of you there. It has no third dimension.

Cristina: Yeah. So it is you. It's just a different dimensional of you.

Jack: 100%. That's exactly what it is. It has height and width, but no depth. You have depth. Your next version has all of time included. We can just see the dimensions below us, but we can't see the ones above us. Yeah, but from a fourth dimension, it could see height, width and depth.

Cristina: So the shadow could be. Yeah, and then there's a lot of superstitions that involve death. Like if you inflict harm on a person's shadow, then the person's gonna suffer the effects. I don't know how you harm a shadow, but I guess if you stab. If I stabbed your shadow, you're gonna feel that later.

Jack: That's f****** weird.

Cristina: That's weird. Yeah. And people would try to cast their shadow on a wall on Christmas Eve or New Year's. And whoever had a headless shadow, it would mean that they're gonna die next year or within a year they're gonna die. Stepping on your own shadow was an omen of death, which is weird because you can't mount.

Jack: Step on your shadow.

Cristina: Yeah. So you're gonna die. It's predicting it.

Jack: I guess the only way to not step on Your shadow is to always float.

Cristina: Then you can live forever. That's the key of living forever.

Jack: Learn to fly. And even when you sleep, remain flying.

Cristina: Yes. And then there's St. Peter, who they believed his shadow could cure the sick. So people would try to lay their sick on the street, hoping that his shadow would fall on them.

Jack: Okay, back to that church s***.

Cristina: Yes. Shadows as a protector. The shadow is like a guardian angel of the soul instead of the soul itself. When death comes to get you, it has to ask your shadows permission. It also protects you from demons and vampires.

Jack: So if you're someone without a shadow, like the dark, they can access you.

Cristina: And vampires don't cast the shadow because they don't have a soul.

Jack: I've actually heard about that. Vampires don't cast a shadow or have a reflection.

Cristina: That's interesting stuff about shadows is that sounds a lot similar to shadow people of the Guardian Angel. And if it was a protector, if the shadow people are protectors, they sound a lot like our own shadow.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Theories people have figured out or came up with for shadows themselves. So interesting. Yeah. Anyway, if you want to hear other episodes like this, which I would. Let's see, what would I suggest? I would suggest the weather folklore, if you like, that weird groundhog stuff and other wintery stuff.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: The sleep paralysis episode. I don't know what that one was called.

Jack: There was a whole episode about sleep paralysis.

Cristina: Yeah. It was the first Halloween episode, I think. So. Check out that first Halloween episode.

Jack: Interesting. Yes. So, yeah, Actually, fair enough. A lot of the stuff is because, look, we have episodes on vampires.

Cristina: Oh, yes.

Jack: We also have on shape shifters.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: We have episodes on werewolves, ghosts, all these. A lot of these topics have been discussed before in different ways, and we kind of all led to this episode putting them together. So if you want to see all the pieces that led here.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Go through our catalog.

Cristina: Brought it all together.

Jack: Yes. That's actually really weird and interesting.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That the groundhog is how we discovered that. That vampires, werewolves, witch huds, Wendigo's shapeshifters are all different but the same.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They are the creatures, the biological creatures of this plane of existence in the next state of existence that is entirely allowed to exist because of adrenochrome, which is also a consistent topic. And there are many episodes.

Cristina: Don't forget that episode about the gods of adrenochrome.

Jack: Yes. Yes. Which is very important. Which is. Also connects to all of this.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Man, this is starting to paint a pretty severe picture that's working out together in Tandem.

Cristina: It's scary.

Jack: It's weird how much of this fits together. Anyways, if you guys want to find all those episodes, you can definitely find all of that in our catalog, and that exists on the official website, greatthoughts.info or you can get it on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and anywhere else you get your podcast.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. Uscombopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe, rate and review.

Cristina: The show and let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth is overpowered. And if you know about any of these creatures, if you didn't know that groundhogs are immortal beings with the intellect of it. Well, specifically this one, maybe there's many different groundhogs. There's one that we do it to, but I'm assuming that there's one bear that fits the same suit and it's just one bear.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And, like, when that bear dies, it gets replaced by another bear who's just the one again.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so it goes as long as it can. Maybe it lives thousands of years before it's replaced. Interesting, interesting, interesting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we were, you know, tell people if you like these things, talk about.

Cristina: It, bring people in, tell us about it if you know more info about this stuff. Like, we're just coming up with it. Yeah, we're just finding this now.

Jack: Come tell us what you know. And maybe you have pieces we don't have to this puzzle. We're building a giant puzzle using all the human knowledge we've ever acquired, all the information that people believe to be true. We're grabbing humanity's most. What is it? What's a funny. Yeah, humanity. We're grabbing humanity's most absurd ideas and we're grounding them. We're bringing them into reality. We're finding out what the truth behind all of humanity's most absurdities are and turning it into the reality that they really are and finding out how they work together. Because nothing works on its own. Everything is part of a bigger system, and we're building that system. So if you have any piece that.

Cristina: Belongs here, give it to us.

Jack: Give it to us. Feel free to let us know.

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: That is such a weird scene.

Jack: It was. I remember seeing it, but it was all by accident, wasn't it? It was just knocking them out scared.

Cristina: I've only seen the remix.

Jack: It wasn't like legit fear.

Cristina: No. He really got serious.

Jack: Like he beat them up wanting to beat them up.

Cristina: Yeah, but I don't know if in the movie how it was.

Jack: Spoiler. Shaggy kills everyone in Infinity War single handedly. Point being, Shaggy is crazy.

Cristina: What if Shaggy uses 100%? You can't do that. It's impossible.

Jack: Yeah, the universe can't contain it. The universe cannot contain Shaggy at his ultimate power.

Cristina: Can Shaggy be Thanos? Kind of crazy.

Jack: What is Shaggy's power level in his base form?

Cristina: Shockingly weak. He would have to go 45%, 75% to the Thanos. So he would have to be 75% to be Thanos. That's.

Jack: That's problematic considering his power cannot be capped. So what would. So what would 75% look like to.

Cristina: An infinite amount of power?

Jack: He gains 1% of his max power.

Cristina: Every time someone follows his religion.

Jack: So. Oh yeah, I don't know if there's a church of Shaggy actually you can follow right there. The subreddit Church of Shaggy.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.