Rambling 139: Electricity Apocalypse
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What happens if the world’s electrical equipment stopped working? How long before society broke down? How what would be the best plan of action to survive? The duo unpacks how to survive in an increasingly hostile world after the power grids go down.
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Topics Discussed
- Wireless Headphones
- Technology Co-Dependency
- Dog Eat Dog World
- Slow Societal Collapse
- Apocalyptic Play by Play
- Cannibalism
- Looting
- Global Food Supply Breakdown
- Survival Supplies
- Crop Growing
- River Settlement
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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
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Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.
Jack: Yes. Yes, it is. So go out into the wild, into the woods as usual. Or if you're in a desert, I guess that makes sense, too. Anywhere. Anywhere is good.
Cristina: Find some outside.
Jack: Yeah, the outside world.
Cristina: Why does it have to be outside?
Jack: Fair enough. Break into somebody's house.
Cristina: That sounds easier.
Jack: Yeah, I mean, I'm assuming people in the wilderness were already listening to our show instead of people just chilling at home, but I guess there's a pandemic going on. Everyone's life, everyone's inside. You could just break into somebody's house and be like, you guys are listening to a fun, exciting podcast. Fun for the whole family.
Cristina: I always imagine them riding on a train and then getting the person on some random person on the train to listen to it. Because people like to listen to podcasts while traveling.
Jack: Yeah, could be they just pull out the headphones. They're like, what the f***, dude? Yeah, it's like, I got something better.
Cristina: Better than whatever the person's doing.
Jack: Yeah. And then they share headphones with a stranger.
Cristina: How does that work?
Jack: When you stand next to each other and you share headphones.
Cristina: Mm. Like the headphone is just in between the ears. I guess I'm thinking of these headphones. Like, how would it work?
Jack: No, no, no. Like the little earbud things that you put in.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And then one takes one, one takes the other. Or now they use the wireless ones anyway.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So you could just hand it to them. And they don't have to be all close and personal, but the emotion, the love and care of being that close together dissolves with. Because it used to be way more intimate and romantic to listen to something with somebody else. Because you had to be shoulder to shoulder listening to things. Now you can just give them the headphones and walk away. And it's not. It's intimacy's dying, man.
Cristina: With strangers.
Jack: Yeah. Or just all around intimacy in general. But I mean, that's a. That's a course of technology, right?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Technology makes us very detached and impersonal.
Cristina: We're Becoming robots.
Jack: Sort of. Kind of. I mean, that's always been the case. We're always getting more mechanic and robotic and computerized.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Our phones are the grand masters of that. They hold everything.
Cristina: If we didn't have phones though, I feel like it'd still be the same. We do something else. We use our laptops.
Jack: Yeah, but we weren't as attached to our laptops as we are to our phones. No, the phone has made it too convenient, the laptop. Well, nobody wants to carry this big s*** around. People use it for practical reasons. Now you just use your phone for f****** anything all the time, whatever. And then the other problem is apps for whatever the f*** you ever need.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: If you had a thought, there's an app for it.
Cristina: Mm. I'm not that creative. I don't have enough apps anymore. Apps? No, I have apps. My phone sucks. So it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. But is there any creative apps you found that you didn't think exist would have existed?
Jack: Not anything per se, but I know that there's an app for everything, usually consuming a person's life. If you are going to jog, get an app on your phone. You can track your progress while you're outside jogging.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You're going to eat. Get a food schedule so you know how many calories you're consuming, how many meals you've had.
Cristina: There's app for studying, so you don't look at your phone, so it records, but it has to be on, I guess. So you're still using. Using the phone.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cristina: To not use the phone.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's. It's, it's ridiculous. Yeah, your phone holds your phone number so you don't have to remember them anymore.
Cristina: No.
Jack: And Google's on your phone. You don't have to learn anything.
Cristina: Because of Google.
Jack: Because of Google, you don't have to learn anything. They just put out an app for like solving kids math problems or some as powered by Google.
Cristina: And it's like, why are you advertising that Google? I mean, I think it's from Google though.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the other problem is like, are they wrong though? Because like, oh, you know, you got to learn how to do this in your head because you're not gonna have a calculator everywhere you go.
Cristina: My Google's like, I'll be your calculator everywhere you go.
Jack: Yeah, I'll be your calculator everywhere you go. Teachers lie, dude. Well, they didn't know. They didn't know. They're like, you never, you're not gonna have a calculator everywhere you go. It's like, no, no. We're gonna have the planets total 100% knowledge. All of it, all the time in my pocket.
Cristina: Yes. So how important is math now? What do teachers say?
Jack: It's the same idea as cursive writing. Who gives a s***?
Cristina: Yeah, that's more like a hobby thing now.
Jack: Like who gives a crap about math anymore? Yeah, your phone does. All of it.
Cristina: Yeah. So what is math class like if you don't need to do any of it?
Jack: I don't need to like show your work. It's like, why, what's it, what? Teachers send us messages? What is your new bullshit excuse for why they need to show the work? What if the power goes out? Then math doesn't matter anymore. Yes, while we have power, your phone will solve it.
Cristina: Yep.
Jack: When the power is out, everybody's gonna go on a dog eat dog murdering spree. And survivors don't need math. They're already the strongest. They're just gonna take the thing. They're not gonna f****** barter or exchange anything.
Cristina: How do you know? Why would it go straight to doggy dog?
Jack: It would go, from today we have power. Five minutes from now, all the power of the earth dies.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: 15 minutes from then. There are raiders outside in full Raider uniforms.
Cristina: Why?
Jack: Pillaging and stealing everything.
Cristina: How do they even know? Like was there announcement that they know that the power is not going to come back on?
Jack: Nobody's going to wait that long. They're just like, well, I'm going to go to the next town where the power is at. And then they get there and there's no power. Like, well, I'm going two towns over. I'm going to go to the f****** power plant. Because they need to have power. They're like, oh, power plant is done too.
Cristina: And that's when they decide to raid everything.
Jack: It'd be so good. People at the power plant are going to like f****** start screaming it off rooftops.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And then it's just going to create a chain, like a wave of f****** everybody being aware that there's no power.
Cristina: It'S just in that area. Or this is the world.
Jack: Well, it would happen like this. No, it's everywhere. Because in theory we assume that there, there are people at the, the power plants. They're like, oh my God, the power's gone. It's gone forever. And we know because we work at a power plant.
Cristina: Ah. And then once that's all machines.
Jack: Exactly. Like numbers told us or something. And then they run and they jump in a car that's totally 100% gas powered and has no electricity in it. And then they drive straight into city. Oh, the power's gone. We're all gonna die. And then everybody. Oh my God, the guy I know who works at the power showed up in his totally mechanical car.
Cristina: Everyone gonna get. Because how long will it take for everyone to have that information? Since they're not using the computer, they can't find it online.
Jack: That's actually interesting.
Cristina: Now you have to hear it from someone who heard it from someone who heard it from someone. Like how long does it take you to actually find out that?
Jack: A lot of people would just assume it's coming back and they would just assume it's in their area only.
Cristina: Yeah. I wonder how long would pass by when you're like, this isn't normal.
Jack: Yeah. Like this is. I mean obviously the power goes out and you're like, well, something's happening at the power plant for day one.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: They like three, you start kind of like, s***'s weird. And you've already seen. Some people are already acting out just cuz they don't know.
Cristina: But there's some people who do know.
Jack: Some people do know. And we were assuming like reality. Right. Totally real. Most people don't know.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And at the beginning, day one, everybody's fine. Some people are noy. They're outside. There's more people outside. There's nothing to do inside right now. There's more people outside and they're just, you know, being stupid. Some people fight each other, whatever, just because. Nothing better doing. We're all out here at the same time. Day two, there's some people questioning. It's like, what the f*** is going on? Shouldn't this be up by now? Day three is like there was no storm. You're trying to figure out what the f***.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And my phone is dead too. I didn't even use my phone. Why isn't that working?
Cristina: And so if someone did tell them, they probably don't trust that information right away.
Jack: Exactly. But day three to day four, you have people who are now starting to get desperate because they, they're having withdrawal symptoms from the Internet. There's a lot of people who would be having withdrawals from the Internet. A lot of people stressing out. Yeah, they're gonna be outside freaking. Not just Internet withdrawal, but TV withdrawal, video game withdrawal. Yeah, A lot of people who need electricity. They need electricity. Are gonna be outside kind of freaking out. You don't even need to know that. It's not coming back yet. Or ever. You don't know. You're still. It'll come back eventually, but some people are just gonna be starting to go off the rails no matter what.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: They don't even know. They're just like, no. F***, this sucks. It's crazy s***. Fights are gonna get more intense every day eventually. Well, there's no cars. Cars that require electricity are just not gonna work anymore.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: I don't know why the power stopped, but those cars are not moving, so what the f***?
Cristina: So then what do they do? Do they starve to death? I guess not.
Jack: No. Because people are gonna. That's when the violence starts.
Cristina: Oh, for the food.
Jack: Yeah. Because food isn't arriving back at the supermarkets. There's no truck delivering anything.
Jack: That truck is also just stationary somewhere.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So now people already bought all they could. They, you know, they adapted. For the first few. Couple of days, people shopped at the supermarket, but now the supermarkets run dry.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: No new deliveries.
Cristina: And people who didn't do food shopping because they thought this was just normal, probably ate like normal.
Jack: Yes. And they're starting to get desperate.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Before long, a weekend. Oh. That's when s*** starts hitting the fan. M************ start going outside and just like. Well, we gotta f******. We gotta survive. We haven't heard anything from the government because we can't.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: We haven't heard anything from anybody. Is f****** rumors out here. The power's never coming back. What's coming back tomorrow. And we've heard it's coming back tomorrow. Every f****** day. We heard it's never coming back. Every f****** day. And people are out there just robbing m************ already. What am I gonna do? I'm just gonna sit here and starve to death? Somebody has food. That supermarket had food when it began. Somebody has food.
Cristina: So you just go robbing every place.
Jack: You can start getting hostile. Survival.
Cristina: Yeah. But you go into every house or something. But then you end up getting hurt probably too. Not you.
Jack: Desperation will send somebody mad. When you start running out of food and start to get hungry, you stop giving a f***.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: You stop giving a f***, and people will start killing each other. It's gonna happen pretty quickly. Under two weeks. Under two weeks without electricity in any form. Everything is destabilized.
Cristina: Whoa. What?
Jack: Yeah, I think under two weeks.
Cristina: How many people you think are gonna die at that time?
Jack: Holy f***. A lot.
Cristina: A lot?
Jack: A lot. In the millions, easily.
Cristina: From just murder or suicide?
Jack: Both.
Cristina: Both. Okay. In the millions.
Jack: In the millions. And I'M not talking like 1 million people two weeks in. No, I'm talking like. Like, what are the Japanese gonna do? What is the f****** Chinese gonna do with no electricity? Oh, bro, there's so many people there, they're just gonna murder each other. Us, oh, we're so spoiled. We need electricity. The west, all the Western countries. Holy f***.
Cristina: How long do you think it takes for someone to eat people?
Jack: When you stop finding food, that's gonna. Cannibalism is real. Within a month. Within a month.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: You ran out of food. You stopped keeping track of when was the last time you ate. And you're just thinking you're gonna starve every day.
Cristina: Yeah. You gotta find a house with a garden.
Jack: Yeah. Growing your own food is the only option, but then you totally risk. At risk.
Cristina: At risk.
Jack: Yeah, you're at risk. You can't let anybody know you're growing food.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Anybody enters your yard, you gotta kill them. You can't have them leave and talk about your garden.
Cristina: You kill them and eat them.
Jack: Yeah. You got food. Anybody goes into your garden, Food. Immediately.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You cannot have anybody tell anyone else that you have a garden that you're growing food in.
Cristina: How do you get away with that? I don't know.
Jack: The best option would be a rooftop garden on the highest building so nobody sees you from any other building.
Cristina: Yeah. So you have to already be on.
Jack: A building, you have to already live in a building. And you already have to have the top garden set up to grow plants. And then you could do that effectively.
Cristina: Do you have to live up there too?
Jack: You have to live up there. You could have the last floor saved for yourself. You had no reason to go down because you have food up there.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And assuming you can set up a cauldron pretty easily, you could collect water as well. Ooh, rainwater.
Cristina: Rainwater. Yes. Is rainwater also the thing that turns people into werewolves? Is that one of the things I don't remember.
Jack: I have an idea.
Cristina: So we gotta be careful, but I.
Jack: Know a month in, a month in. Cannibal. Cannibalism is real.
Cristina: That is so crazy fast. It's not fast, but it's gonna feel like forever. Yeah, I guess, if you're starving, man.
Jack: Isn't that crazy? We have no other chains of delivering food.
Cristina: No other chain.
Jack: We've turned everything into something that relies on electricity. Yeah, all of it. Everything shows up in trucks. They have a computer that allows that truck to run everything.
Cristina: Every vehicle?
Jack: Every vehicle.
Cristina: We have carts. We can use that.
Jack: Carts?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: What do you mean?
Cristina: Like the shopping carts.
Jack: What are we gonna do? Cross the country in a shopping cart?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That's crazy.
Cristina: Tile all the carts together, I guess. I don't know.
Jack: And who's pulling in how?
Cristina: I don't know. I'm assuming a group of people are going to rob some place that has all this food and stuff.
Jack: I'm so confused.
Cristina: Like, where did the shopping. The stores get their products from?
Jack: Okay. Right. But we get. What are we gonna do with it? We just have shopping carts. We're not delivering it anywhere. We're just hoarding the food. People are eating each other no matter what. See Apocalypse. Nobody's f****** going out generously giving out the food that they've taken. No, that's it.
Cristina: That's why it's a group of people doing it, so that they can keep it for themselves.
Jack: Yeah. So there's no food delivery, no supply chain anymore. Supply chain is gone.
Cristina: Eventually there would be one, I would guess, if it's like the Walking Dead, where eventually a city happened.
Jack: I mean, maybe, but we have to rely on people being honest and, you know, wanting to f****** work together. To work together and, like, give some of their stuff to somebody else. In the middle of a nightmare scenario.
Cristina: Yeah. I mean, in the beginning, it's a nightmare, but once there's not that much people left, you kind of want to be with other people.
Jack: Yeah. You find yourself sort of obligated.
Cristina: Yeah. I think you'd probably give it up, your food to share with someone else just to have the company of someone else.
Jack: Yeah. So fascinating. I don't know, man. That's kind of crazy, right?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You don't even need zombies.
Cristina: Just.
Jack: Just lack of power.
Cristina: Yeah. Whatever happened in the road always wants.
Jack: No, you don't need. That's so excessive. You don't need that much to happen.
Cristina: No, you don't need that much.
Jack: You just remove electricity. That's how dependent we are on just electricity. We're not even talking computers. Like, we're dumb.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Which one of us can, like, create something just, like, really practical, not artistic, like, really advance our living conditions? That's actually accented in the Walking Dead with that old lady who has the book of things everybody should probably already know how to do?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But they don't. And so she's smart as f****** having it.
Cristina: That is smart. Yeah.
Jack: Which one of us can build a functional windmill?
Cristina: Get a book for that. No. I feel like it's still gonna be complicated. I don't know.
Jack: Where have you ever seen a book for windmills? How to Build one not what it is. Not an encyclopedia.
Cristina: A book on windmills, I think.
Jack: Like how to build a windmill. Yeah, yeah. That kind of is important.
Cristina: Yeah. Man. That book doesn't exist, does it?
Jack: No. I'm sure somebody will make it. But what are the odds we'll ever see that person in this scenario? Like, we got to be so fortunate for that person to be trying to barter around us.
Cristina: Yeah. Windmill. There must be something easier to make than a windmill. Man. But that's a good idea. If it's like the one in the grand tour. Not the grand tour. The other show with the guy. The guy from the Great Escape. The two guys that made. It's like a windmill. No, it was a watermill. That's what it was.
Jack: Yeah, it was a watermill.
Cristina: Watermill. I wonder if that's easier to make. Probably you still need that water. Like you need that water. But where are you going to find that water?
Jack: But. Well, do you just find a river or something?
Cristina: Yeah, but you gotta live by there. And that's not safe.
Jack: If it's a river. Why wouldn't that be safe?
Cristina: Because you're out in the open. I don't know if someone's coming around the water. But if other people see it, I.
Jack: Mean, it's a river. Are they taking over the whole river?
Cristina: They are seeing. No, they see the windmill from far away. They want to.
Jack: They'll probably get rid of you anywhere you are. You have to. But I see what you mean. Like, it's really unnatural.
Cristina: Yeah. It will be easily spotted.
Jack: Yeah. So you have to make it in the middle of nowhere by a river.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Like somewhere nobody would venture if that.
Cristina: Was easy to do.
Jack: Yeah. And the best option would be at a high altitude. So you get the water coming down. Then that pushes the watermill.
Cristina: Man. But I don't think it's possible because what they were using, though was like bamboo, and that's kind of tough to use. That's a nice material. Like, that's not natural in any.
Jack: Or you can find yourself an existing watermill by river and then start structuring things based on the watermill. So you. You gotta assume electricity isn't gonna happen. So the watermill is a giant gear, and you have to make everything mechanical and dependent on the giant gear.
Cristina: Yes, but what kind of things can you make?
Jack: For example, if you need to crush things, the watermill should be connected to a machine that in the turn of the watermill, something comes up and down, crushing something. So now you have just something attached to the other thing that sort of propels the motion of crushing.
Cristina: But would that be loud? Because you don't want the whole attention.
Jack: In the middle of nowhere.
Cristina: Okay. You're in the middle of nowhere, so it doesn't matter.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Or you're at an existing watermill, which is already. The water is pretty loud.
Cristina: Yeah. That's an interesting idea. Yeah.
Jack: You just build things off of the watermill, making sure never to obstruct the watermill because you need its force. But it could mechanically make some things work.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You just have to be very mechanically minded because electricity is no longer a thing that'll function.
Cristina: It's like a lot of people just find those houses that have a bunch of sun. What is that called? The sun?
Jack: Solar panels.
Cristina: Solar panels. The houses that have a bunch of solar panels on their roofs. Because that would help, wouldn't it? Or would their house just stop working because no electricity? No electricity. I don't know.
Jack: I'm assuming in this world nothing electrical works.
Cristina: Even solar. Are solar panels electrical? It's not a lot, though. It is.
Jack: They generate electricity from the sun though.
Cristina: Yeah, but that's not working either.
Jack: Yeah. I don't know why, but no electricity works.
Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah. So this is a water powered world.
Jack: Yeah. Because back at the beginning, some dude is like, the numbers told him electricity.
Cristina: Is done, but even from the sun, that's just crazy. Okay. But okay, yeah.
Jack: Something about our atmosphere, whatever, is not allowing the conversion of heat to electricity anymore.
Cristina: Yeah. So then the sun. Okay. So then the water. Then we just use water. All right. And then, I don't know, we could use heat.
Jack: Definitely heat. Now, for example, a steam powered ship of some sort. We can still have boats functioning. We can have steam powered cars.
Cristina: Steam powered cars?
Jack: Yeah. We would move into a steampunk kind of society. In order to calm things down, you.
Cristina: Have to be able to make steam powered stuff.
Jack: Some like, people will be out there.
Cristina: If you live on the river though, you can at least depend on fishing maybe.
Jack: Yes. You'll have food and water.
Cristina: Yeah. And if you know how to make traps, you can have like ducks.
Jack: I don't know animals, they hang out by the river. Like deer and crap like that.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: There's food.
Cristina: There is food there.
Jack: You also have to know how to hunt, though.
Cristina: Yes. Not just the traps.
Jack: Hunting as well.
Cristina: Like in the forest?
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: The game.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Learning how to get your own food.
Cristina: That's cool. Rabbits are gonna be hard. Deer's gonna be hard.
Jack: Rabbits are pretty easy. If you have cages and crap.
Cristina: Yeah. I feel like fishing is the first.
Jack: Way to go and probably the healthiest too.
Cristina: Mmm. Yes. And if you can grow your own plants, of course.
Jack: And also, all things considered, fishing is one of the easiest ways to go too. If you have a very powerful river, build a sort of net that allows the water through but catches the fish.
Cristina: Yes, that's nice.
Jack: Oh, yeah.
Cristina: Catching fish and eating berries, well, you gotta be careful with that, I guess.
Jack: Also because you're in by water already, the soil will naturally be wet. Closer to the river, if you can find seeds, you can plant things that will start growing that you can eat.
Cristina: Yeah, but when you're really, when you're starving and you just find the place, what are you eating at the beginning?
Jack: Fish for sure. You can make a net out of f****** anything.
Cristina: Yeah, because I'm thinking plants would be easy, but at the same time it wouldn't because you don't know what's poisonous or not. It all looks the same.
Jack: You want to find a. You want to find and clear out a patch by the watermill of plants. And then you're going to plant there the seeds for your new plants. And you're going to try to cover the watermill with foliage by planting a bunch of s*** around it to obscure it more and more. But also you're going to be eating the things you planted. Double winners.
Cristina: But where were they getting the seeds from?
Jack: Well, you already found the watermelon. You just got to remember where it is, which is just follow the river and you'll get there. Make trips to town or whatever, to the nearest place.
Cristina: You don't even have to have good fruits. It could be spoiled fruits if for some reason no one ate any fruits or it's just trash or something like leftover. There should be seeds in them.
Jack: Yeah. Go to. Go to places where you would normally buy seeds and steal them. Most people aren't gonna think about that.
Cristina: Yes, Home Depot.
Jack: Yeah, exactly. People aren't thinking about that s***. They're like, where's the food? And it's like, why don't you plant own food?
Cristina: Yeah, you can find a bunch of helpful stuff there.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: In places like that. Not just seeds, but like a Home.
Jack: Depot is a pretty solid place to close yourself into. And you put all the crap on the roof to grow plants and s***.
Cristina: They also have their own area of plants that you could have. You can take out what you can't eat and just put the seeds in those pots.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cristina: Or they actually have pots and dirt. So you could make it yourself.
Jack: Yeah, but you also want to have water.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And you're gonna die in Home Depot. Oh, and there's no food either. Until the plants provide.
Cristina: You're gonna be eating the garbage that they sell for short.
Jack: They don't have enough.
Cristina: They don't have enough.
Jack: Home Depot doesn't have enough garbage for sale. Oh, okay, so you kind of f*****. Yeah, you do need. But definitely into nature. That's number one. People who are like, I'm gonna go to a hospital. You're gonna die.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: I'm gonna go to a police station.
Cristina: Medical stuff you have at home.
Jack: Well, what you could do is if you really think the s***'s hitting the fan, go and buy a f*** ton of medical supplies in bulk before anything is looted. And then you also go and you buy a s*** ton of candy bars right off the bat. If you really think s***'s about to hit the fan. Stock up on anything that has a. Like, takes long to expire, is really light, is really small, that you can throw into a bag in giant amounts. Candy bars and s***. Like Twinkies. Energy. But you can't eat s*** else when you can't eat s*** else. A Twinkie will make the difference.
Cristina: Twinkies.
Jack: Twinkie. It's fat.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So much fat and sugar. Energy. Ah. So wired that you can it sustain. It'll sustain you for a while. You don't want to eat a Twinkie and have normal food throughout the day at all. You want any food after a Twinkie.
Cristina: That should be your meal.
Jack: That's your meal. Well, if you're starving. Twinkie. Yeah, that'll do a lot. Mad sugar, mad fat.
Cristina: Like nuts are helpful though.
Jack: Yes. You have nuts, you have candy bars, you have granola bars. Anything light that you can throw into a single backpack is your food.
Cristina: And the problem though, with water is how to get enough water. Like if you have a bunch of water, it could be too heavy. Like, how much can you tell?
Jack: You're not taking water. No, you're going to the water.
Cristina: You're going to the water. Okay, but if your first stop is Home Depot, then what?
Jack: You are not stopping at Home Depot in this case, you just bought a bunch of candy bars. Medical supplies that you're gonna do. All the candy bars and other food goes in the book bag.
Cristina: Yes. And the medical supplies. Seeds too, then.
Jack: Yeah. You could go buy seeds. Yeah, that's why you go to Home Depot. Yeah, 100%. You buy a crap ton of seeds. But that's easy because you can have a bag of seeds. It's like a thousand seeds, and it's smaller than a candy bar when their seeds expires.
Cristina: I want to check that out, but doesn't matter.
Jack: You're not gonna be on a crazy mission.
Cristina: Not a crazy mission.
Jack: Yeah. It's not gonna take you 50 years to get to the river. Yeah, he's gonna get to the river.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And, like, assuming you didn't even find the watermill, at least you're by the river.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Now you have moving water. Clean by default.
Cristina: And hopefully fish in there.
Jack: And hopefully fish is the easiest part is the fish, which you can also get, like, a net, a makeshift net at Home Depot.
Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, you can get that. There's so many random stuff you can get at Home Depot. Home Depot should be something. You should get stuff at a book.
Jack: Bag, pack it with junk food.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That expires in a very long time. Go to Home Depot, and you get some makeshift net equivalent that would let water through, but not fish.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And you go get medical supplies because you're gonna be wandering into the woods or. Yeah. You're looking for a river.
Cristina: How do you clean the water, though? Okay. Like, if you need to drink water now you have no water. How do you drink water from the river? Like, how do you clean it out?
Jack: River water is clean. It's moving.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Still water is what you don't want to drink.
Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah.
Jack: Still water has bacteria. River water is filtered by where it's.
Cristina: Moving through, so you can just drink that.
Jack: It's not the cleanest in the universe, but, yeah, you can drink the water.
Cristina: You can make it cleaner, though.
Jack: You could boil it if you wanted to. If you wanted to be safer.
Cristina: Yeah, I would do that.
Jack: Which you could still put in your book bag because it won't take any space. You could put a bunch of candy bars in it and around it, and it won't. It's like. Yeah, pot isn't even there.
Cristina: Yeah, I guess.
Jack: So fill it up with junk food, a pot, a makeshift net, which you could have probably also squeezed into that book bag without taking up too much room.
Cristina: Not a torch.
Jack: Lighter.
Cristina: A lighter. That's probably a lighter.
Jack: And lighter fluid.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: A magnifying glass so that you don't have to use your lighter when you have the sun to power fire starting.
Cristina: That's your new technology.
Jack: A bunch. Yeah. And a bunch of seeds. So many seeds.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: You need all the seeds and then.
Cristina: To the wheel technology. Do you think that's gonna be a thing you were talking about? Wheel powered city.
Jack: Not wheel powered city, but using the. The power of the moving a watermill to sort of replicate a gear and then connecting things to that. Yeah, you can make things with that. Yeah, for sure.
Cristina: I wonder, like, what a fan. That's nice. But no, yeah, definitely.
Jack: You can cool your home. You can use the motion of it and connect it to a fan inside that's made entirely of, I guess, wood and crap like that. And you just need the one end of it to be connected enough so that it spins. And if you connect wide end to short end, the fan will spin like crazy, thus keeping you cool in the middle of crazy hot day.
Cristina: Yeah. I wonder if that could help you with a hose. If you had to water your plants and you're too lazy and you.
Jack: Yes. But also the point of having the plants planted along the edge of the.
Cristina: Oh, you don't have to water them.
Jack: You don't have to water them because.
Cristina: They'Re always solid, moist.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Oh, that's nice. Yeah. Forgot about that. That's awesome.
Jack: That kind of saves a lot.
Cristina: Yeah. Nice.
Jack: You need things like aloe vera, medical.
Cristina: Yeah. It's probably a lot of poisonous plants around you.
Jack: You got to kill everything that's there by default. And plant berries and cherries, strawberries. You want watermelons, you want avocados. You want just everything. Plant everything. Anything you could get.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Go to the supermarket and buy a bunch of s***.
Cristina: Yes. And eat it. No.
Jack: Well, yeah, actually, all things. All jokes aside, mission should be done by, like three people. Don't go to the woods alone. You and two homies. Because you need to be able to carry the stuff too.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So the three book bags, one of them contains a bunch of different fruits that have seeds.
Cristina: Mm. From the shopping mark. Whatever.
Jack: Then that same bag could contain all the seeds for other things that you. As many different seeds as you can get at like Home Depot or some s***.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: The net is. Well, to catch fish. Like the food bag for creating new food. Then you have the survival bag, which is what. Where all the fast food, the. All the junk food is the junk food and the pan and just all that kind of stuff.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And you're gonna have a person who's gonna have a bunch of different tools in there. It's gonna have a lighter, is gonna have a machete. It's gonna have scissors. I guess I could have the net in there. It could have a knife. You could have just tools. Tools. You got to get creative.
Cristina: Just random tools. You'll figure it out.
Jack: Yeah. Yeah. You'll figure it out through necessity.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And then in this exchange, you can. Between the three of you, you can also take shifts when you're living there, just in case something's coming.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Somebody's always awake. Three shifts, eight hours each shift.
Cristina: Yeah. I wonder, how would you practice hunt? How would you practice hunting in that type of situation?
Jack: What do you mean?
Cristina: Like when you start wanting more than.
Jack: Just fish, you can start building traps.
Cristina: But for deers, like, bigger meat. Oh.
Jack: That's when you got to learn how to start hunting.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Which. That's another thing you got to steal. Take some survival books in one of those book bags. Oh, I know how to make basic things like a bow, Even if it'll take a lot of trial and error.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You just take it with you and figure it out. Hunting traps and crap like that. Any kind of books like that, you go and you rob Barnes and Nobles.
Cristina: Yes. So one friends doing Barnes and Noble. One is Home Depot. One is the shopping place.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Yeah. That's interesting.
Jack: And then you guys meet up when you take off, and then however long it takes you, you already have enough. And I'm assuming you could take two, three bottles of water and have it slowly in case it takes you several days to get to the water.
Cristina: And you have a gun with three bullets.
Jack: Yes, Stealing guns matters. You got to find a place to get guns. That's a hard one, because you got to get into a police station. You got to do a couple of heists.
Cristina: You have to heist.
Jack: Yeah. You got to get into a police station or kill a cop.
Cristina: What?
Jack: And take his gun?
Cristina: Why can't you just own a gun.
Jack: If you don't already own a gun? I know, but you got to get a gun.
Cristina: You got to get a gun. But I guess the gun isn't for shooting animals, though. The gun is just in case someone does find self defense.
Jack: Yeah, because you can't eat any animal you shoot.
Cristina: Yeah. Oh, you can't shoot a deer. I mean, eat a deer after it's been shot.
Jack: Just shoot it in the head, and then you got to chop his head off before the lead gets anywhere else.
Cristina: Oh, okay. That sucks. But yeah, you shouldn't do that anyway, even if it wasn't a problem, because that's more.
Jack: That should be last resort self defense. Yeah. You should make it to the point that eventually could just rest that gun down and use a bow to kill a m*********** if need be.
Cristina: That's gotta be crazy training.
Jack: That's also why machete matters. Like, that's also a close combat weapon.
Cristina: Oh, okay. So you can deal with people that way, too. Yeah. Oh, that sucks. I feel like the gun is easier to do. Deal with someone.
Jack: Yeah. But you're only gonna have so much ammo.
Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.
Jack: Machete becomes problematic pretty quickly.
Cristina: Yeah. Hope you never get to that point, because that sucks. I don't know.
Jack: But who knows? Yeah. Hopefully no. So you plant a bunch of crap around your windmill, your water mill, and you connect anything that needs to be mechanically powered, and you make a city.
Cristina: No.
Jack: How do you make a city?
Cristina: I don't know. A tent city.
Jack: There's three people.
Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.
Jack: Just live in the house.
Cristina: There's a house by it.
Jack: There's a water mill. There's probably a house.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Just a water mill out in the middle of nowhere.
Cristina: Maybe. I don't know where watermills are hanging out at farms.
Jack: Could be.
Cristina: Maybe that'd be even more interesting. You have more.
Jack: You don't want. You do not want to be on a farm.
Cristina: Aw.
Jack: Because a farm is a place people know about. And it's like anybody who's intelligent enough is probably good enough at farming.
Cristina: Which means there's a water mill in the middle of nowhere. But buy a house in the middle of nowhere.
Jack: Yeah. Because usually there's, like, a purpose being served by that. Maybe the water mill is powering that house. That's a private property.
Cristina: Okay. I guess that's better than the farm. Lame.
Jack: Yeah. Like more people gonna know about a farm. Because a farm probably produces for many.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Than a watermelon. That's probably somebody just kind of secluding themselves to not be known.
Cristina: Mmm. Yes.
Jack: But we're assuming you don't even find a watermill. Right. So you don't even find a watermelon. You get to the river.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: You can start building there.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Axes and machetes.
Cristina: But you don't need a water mill to survive. Yeah. You don't need a watermill.
Jack: No. Because the river will feed the water to the plants. The sunlight will feed the light to the plants. The plants will grow over time. You already have a bunch of junk food that will hold you over for a while. You've made it to the clean water that you can drink. And if you're paranoid about it, you can boil it and drink that. You're good to live now.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And you'll have fish for more food now that you've made it to the river.
Cristina: But you're probably living in tents, though.
Jack: Yes. For the meantime.
Cristina: For the meantime. You think they'll eventually be able to make houses or like a makeshift house.
Jack: Yeah. I don't know how complicated of a house.
Cristina: Like a box.
Jack: Yeah, yeah. Some basic s***.
Cristina: Yeah. To protect from rain, I guess. I mean the tent should be good, but I don't know if you want more space than that.
Jack: The best plan would be right to try to find a fully mechanical car or something steam powered or something coal powered or heat powered or something like that. That a car that could function without electricity, which was gonna be a hunt. That's a mission and a half. But if you could find something powerful enough to then use it to get a Humvee.
Cristina: A what?
Jack: Like a Winnebago. A mobile home.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: A trailer of some sort.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That you could then drag to where your water is there and then you live in there. Yeah.
Cristina: Oh, that's way better. More roomy.
Jack: But now you got another heist after you've established yourself, which is find the vehicle, find the trailer. And the vehicle needs to be powerful enough to move the trailer. We're talking steam isn't going to cut it.
Cristina: So then what can I cut it?
Jack: I don't know. Coal can power an entire train and a ship.
Cristina: Wow.
Jack: So coal is a great. Like that's a lot of heat and that heat.
Cristina: And there's coal powered cars like that Sounds like an impossible mission to.
Jack: I have no clue. That's a really good question. Let's check it out. Okay. So no coal power. No steam powered cars. Steam would be inefficient and we can't find coal powered cars. But that being said, diesel mechanical vehicles would be more efficient and powerful than electric vehicles anyways. So if you can find a fully mechanical diesel vehicle and then use that to pull. Which I guess it would have to be able to pull the trailer. You can get your trailer to your river and have a already built home.
Cristina: Finding a car, I don't know, it feels like a tricky. This is a very tricky.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Mission.
Jack: The trailer is the easy part.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: You're probably gonna have to like get the trailer off of somebody because there's probably gonna be people living in a trailer park.
Cristina: No. It's not easy.
Jack: But it's easy finding it.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Finding the car is where the problem is.
Cristina: Yes. Finding the car will be the biggest problem.
Jack: Yes. But if you can find a fully mechanical diesel powered car, then you could just steal a trailer home with the car though.
Cristina: I feel like you'd still have to probably steal that from someone. Well. Because someone's gonna be driving that car.
Jack: Yeah. But it's like one person. The problem is finding the car.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: That's the hard part. Killing a person with the gun you already have is not the hard part. It's the finding a fully mechanical, diesel powered vehicle.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Not easy. It's easier to just shoot somebody and take it. The other thing would be the trailer. The trailer is easy to locate, and in the middle of the night, you can just take.
Cristina: Yeah, I guess. In the middle night. Yeah.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Pretty simple, I guess. Yeah.
Jack: Scope it out and watch until there's nobody there. Just take it.
Cristina: Oh, wait, no. Yeah, you just connect it. Yeah. I'm thinking you have to drive that away too. But no, you're not driving it away. You're just connecting it to your car.
Jack: Yep.
Cristina: That's. That's the plan, I guess.
Jack: Pretty simple.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And then you could get that to.
Cristina: Your river and live in that.
Jack: And live in that. Now you have a roof that'll protect you from the rain.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: A river that'll give you water and fish.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You'll also have plants planted in the area which will grow your food over time.
Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty perfect. I don't know what else you're missing.
Jack: That's kind of all the needs you have.
Cristina: Yeah. You got people. So you're not dying of Bordeaux.
Jack: Yep. There's three of you.
Cristina: But you can't use the car after you have it there, even if it has gas. That's probably risky.
Jack: You need that for total emergencies anyways. You don't want to burn through that fuel.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: The best option would be if you're desperately hungry. Not hungry, but like, you want something special. Flip side, driving to bookstores. But then again, you could go to bookstores. Walking.
Cristina: Yeah. That's less suspicious. Like, you don't have to worry about people popping out of nowhere trying to take it. Trying to take. Exactly.
Jack: And it makes less noise so you don't attract anything.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Take a bicycle.
Cristina: Take a bike.
Jack: That's another thing you got to do. You got to make sure to steal bikes.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Mountain bikes. So that you can drive them through your woods easily.
Cristina: I guess the car could have the bike. Says it could be the storage for the bikes.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: For the rain and stuff like. That's. That's a good idea.
Jack: Yeah. You could definitely build sort of thing. And actually that's probably how you're gonna get to the river in the first place. You probably began with bikes because that's easy to get.
Cristina: Oh, yeah. So easy.
Jack: Three mountain bikes, three book bags. That means you don't have to waste your energy walking anywhere, and you get there sooner.
Cristina: Mm. But how do you all separate and then meet up at the same place? Or you got there first, then separated to get the things and then came back because you already knew how to get there.
Jack: Yeah. You already know where you're headed. There's a meeting plan, then you take off from there.
Cristina: Yeah, that's a great plan. Yes.
Jack: Survival, man.
Cristina: Except for the murder.
Jack: S*** happens. It's the apocalypse.
Cristina: I know.
Jack: Not gonna f****** do anything.
Cristina: It's just a tough, tough thing to do.
Jack: Take a life.
Cristina: Yeah. It's harder than if it was just zombie life.
Jack: You got to kill people still when it's zombies.
Cristina: What do you mean?
Jack: Probably more so because there's a threat other than just people. So people are gonna be way more hostile.
Cristina: Yes. That still makes it easier, though, to kill those people than the people in this apocalypse. That may not always be hostile, but you're like, oh, I need a thing.
Jack: No, you're not gonna kill them if they're not hostile. You're not just gonna off somebody.
Cristina: Okay. So.
Jack: But in the scenario of getting the car, you're like, well, it's gonna be hard. Well, that means you're putting up a fight.
Cristina: Okay. Yes.
Jack: You're not. Just like, I'm gonna pop your. If you just get out and walk away, I'm gonna leave with your car.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: I'm just gonna, like, off you for zero reason. I was assuming there was a problem.
Cristina: Yeah. Okay.
Jack: Just, like, get out. Bah. Too bad for you.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Like, no, that's not how it works.
Cristina: Just in case. No, you're in a car.
Jack: What are you gonna do? I'll run you.
Cristina: No, I guess not. What if he has a second car?
Jack: Then you really got to kill him because he has all the things you need.
Cristina: Oh, you don't need two cars, but.
Jack: You can't have two cars.
Cristina: That's true. You could have two cars.
Jack: Yeah, it's pretty good. Because that means you can steal a second trailer from the same place and have even more room.
Cristina: Yes. You need a lot of. We don't. Do you need that much room or.
Jack: Just go to random car parks? Just go to random car parks. Hit one each time. Not car park. Trailer parks.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: One from here. Take it. I hit a different one. So they don't expect you.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Slowly. You just keep taking a couple of trailers. 4, 5, 6. And you could turn them into different things.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: When is your kitchen? One is your living room, and they.
Cristina: All might have supplies in them. That's great.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: As long as no one's staying in them. They could be abandoned ones out there and you could just take those easily.
Jack: And you can also have a d***. Instead of generator creates electricity. So it wouldn't work. Because I'd be like, you have a gas powered generator, but no electricity works. So no you magical. But you can have a food storage trailer where you. Anytime you make a run for food that isn't what you're growing and fishing and hunting, you could bring it there. Bags of chips from looted stores and junk food of all kinds.
Cristina: And just beans. Because it's always beans. Why is it always.
Jack: Because it's in cans. It's takes a long time to expire, I guess. You can have anything in cans that lasts a long time. Get a f*** ton of cans.
Cristina: It's always. That's such a lame meal to just be eating beans. I don't know.
Jack: Because you can have dried beans for a long time. Might as well steal a bunch of those. But you could do that. Like a bunch of dried food that doesn't go bad. And then you can like cook it.
Cristina: If crackers don't go bad, get some crackers. Crackers do go bad. For bread and beans.
Jack: Bread will not. The bread ceases to exist.
Cristina: Yeah. They get old real quick.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Man. Why doesn't crackers last?
Jack: Because crackers are bread. Crackers are bread.
Cristina: I know, but can of bean is so boring.
Jack: But it's food you're not. Who cares about why are you worried about boring or not? It's the apocalypse.
Cristina: Once you have everything, you can get bored.
Jack: Well, it's not just beans. At that point. You just fished.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So you can throw a fish with beans.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Rice also lasts an unfathomably long amount of time. You can have fish, rice and beans. Really leaning on those beans hard. You don't have to.
Cristina: Yeah. How are you gonna get the rice? Isn't rice usually in big.
Jack: You could get small ones. And you have a f****** car.
Cristina: You don't want to use the car too much.
Jack: You also have a bike.
Cristina: Yes. Okay. The bike.
Jack: And you could hang things. If you could find a three wheel bike. You're set.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Because it won't tip. You could put bags and crap on it.
Cristina: Oh, okay then. Yes. We need some rice.
Jack: Powerful runs.
Cristina: We have some rice and beans with fish on the side.
Jack: Yeah, you can have.
Cristina: That's life.
Jack: Yeah. You can have that as well as pasta. Pasta lasts a really long time.
Cristina: Oh, okay. That feels like it'll be hard to cook though. With fire. Is It. I don't know.
Jack: That's the way to cook it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You boil water, which you're by a river, so you have infinite amounts of that.
Cristina: Yes. Okay.
Jack: And then you boil the water. When the water is boiling, you pour it on the pasta and let the pasta get soft.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You hunt the animal so you have the meat. Two things you could get to make your life better after you're nice and stable is get a pasta maker.
Cristina: Pasta maker?
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Machine that makes pasta. You just turn the thing and mix pasta. So you can have.
Cristina: But that's not from electricity.
Jack: Well, you can have. No, assuming that you. You can manually turn the thing.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: So you can have a pasta maker and the other thing would be. Crap. Was I thinking a pasta maker And a meat grinder.
Cristina: Meat grinder.
Jack: You get a deer, you throw the deer in there, it grinds the meat for you. Now you can make meatballs, you can make burgers.
Cristina: You can do that with any of the meat. That's awesome.
Jack: Spice up your meat life.
Cristina: Have some rabbit burgers or fish burgers.
Jack: Rat burgers.
Cristina: Rap. Oh, you said rat.
Jack: Yeah, but they're in nature. What do you mean ill?
Cristina: Because you're eating all this other stuff. Why would you go to the rats? That's like desperate.
Jack: You want different kinds of meats. Why is it desperate?
Cristina: Because you have fish, rabbits and deer.
Jack: You're just thinking from a citizen point of view.
Cristina: What? What do you mean?
Jack: You're thinking from a privileged position. There's nothing wrong with a rat that eats nothing but healthy.
Cristina: But if you're eating all that other meat, why would you need rat meat?
Jack: Why would you need any meat?
Cristina: Because you need meat.
Jack: Then why would rat meat be not acceptable? What's unacceptable about rat meat?
Cristina: I don't know. It's a rat. Yeah, you're thinking from a citizen's point of view.
Jack: It's a position of privilege. I don't wanna.
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: Can you use the rabbit is a f****** rat.
Cristina: It's big, though. I don't know.
Jack: You could find rats bigger than rabbits.
Cristina: Oh, can you really?
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Okay. Are you sure it's fine to eat?
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: What about raccoons?
Jack: You're cooking it. You're not biting into its raw.
Cristina: Oh, okay. But raccoons. Pretty big.
Jack: Yeah. You can raccoon. You could pretty much eat anything you're going to clean.
Cristina: I guess. I guess it's better than eating people. I guess so.
Jack: Yeah. Which you could still also do.
Cristina: But yes. That's super duper desperate. That's not the first thing you're gonna go on your menu of foods that you have.
Jack: No.
Cristina: You're gonna choose a rat over the person, I would hope.
Jack: Who cares if the person is dead and it's because you killed them? You're not gonna let them go to waste either.
Cristina: No, I can't. No. I feel like you might have abandoned them before you even thought of, hey, I could have taken them to eat.
Jack: Oh yeah. If somebody's around you and you kill them though.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Somebody's at camp and you killed them so that they don't go tell people about your camp. Now you just have meat.
Cristina: Yes. In that case, I guess you eat them.
Jack: Yeah. Normality is out the window.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: I know why you're thinking from living in society point of view.
Cristina: Yeah. But it will feel a bit normal. It feels like you're camping.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: So I don't know. And then you eat a human and then it doesn't feel like you're camping anymore.
Jack: Well, it feels like you're out there surviving. It doesn't feel necessarily normal.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But you sold a couple of trailers. You got your plants growing, you got some fish, you got water.
Cristina: You have so much. You don't need people.
Jack: It's pretty badass.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And you can make regular trips to get board games and card games and books. Entertainment is so important. You can get things to stay in shape. Steel workout things, dumbbells and crap like that. Jump rop open. Just things to stay fit. That also very distracting how you can steal things to.
Cristina: I mean you have trips to stores, right? Yeah.
Jack: You just make trips to stores on your three wheel bike thing.
Cristina: Like say you let one person out and the other two have to stay in camp. Or one person stays in camp while the other two leave. Like there has to be some type of rule. Someone needs to protect the camp while other people.
Jack: I think one person leaving doesn't probably only have one bike with three wheels or two. I guess two people and how do.
Cristina: They wait before one of them go goes check to see if there's something wrong or.
Jack: No, I think, I think two people go. I think two people go. One drives a three wheel bike, the other one drives a normal bike. Then they make runs and they can watch out for each other while so.
Cristina: They'Re at least around each other in the same area and they're looking for things.
Jack: And if something split up, that's how people die.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: You'd have one person like watching the bike outside.
Cristina: Yeah. So if something goes wrong that they could both escape. At the same time.
Jack: And so you get books you want to read and board games. Like Barnes and Nobles is a place to hit repeatedly. You want to steal as much s*** from Barnes and Nobles as possible. MAD Books, notebooks, board games, card games, toys.
Cristina: I don't know why, but there's a bunch of toys.
Jack: I mean, I guess if you're a person who plays a toys, but you can take a bunch of that s***. Sudoku books and puzzle books and just all this kind of s***. You can fill a book bag up with so many different kinds of books.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Put them on your bike.
Cristina: Mmm. Yes. And if anything goes wrong, though. Huh? That's why you have that gun.
Jack: I guess that's why you have the gun.
Cristina: Wonder who's more in danger. It has to be the two guys over. The one that's hanging out at the place that they're staying.
Jack: Yeah, that guy's probably fine.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: If they haven't found you yet. To the point that now you're just gonna worrying about entertainment. Nobody's probably finding you.
Cristina: Yeah. But you still have to be careful. So I think they'll take turns. Right. Of who stays in the camp and who goes out. So you can stay running around and I mean, you'll have workout stuff too.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: But you'll have to.
Jack: And maybe over time, you could bring other people.
Cristina: Find survivalists who aren't dangerous.
Jack: Yeah. People who seem like they're cool. And you bring them over. When you find somebody alone and you can confirm they're alone and not bait, that's.
Cristina: That's a worry.
Jack: Then you bring them back and you're like, you can come live with us.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Like, we're consistently making runs. We're doing whatever. We're doing whatever. And you can come live with us.
Cristina: That sounds so tough. Yeah.
Jack: It's hard to trust people. Mm.
Cristina: Yes. Because even if they're alone, they find out where you're at, they just disappear. Who knows how many people are gonna come back.
Jack: Yep.
Cristina: That's a little troubling.
Jack: That's a problem.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: You could have a dummy second location. Bring them there, Bring them there, see what happens.
Cristina: Yes. Just have them living there. I mean, you gotta have to pretend to be living there too, though.
Jack: Yeah. Yeah. You could have one person staying there.
Cristina: Yeah, that's a good idea. Yeah. Every time they pass you, they get to live in the town. I guess whatever you're playing, you're living.
Jack: Additionally, you can make the. If you continue to steal trailers over time, those could be the walls. Your village place.
Cristina: Yeah. Your Village.
Jack: You just put them back to back to back. Create a barrier.
Cristina: Yes. That is an awesome idea. Yes, yes, yes.
Jack: Flip side. What if you can somehow get trailer trucks? They don't have wheels on the. If you need trailer trucks. And the ability to remove the trailer and put it onto the ground because nobody, nothing can go under it. It's just a giant box, Steel box.
Cristina: How are you getting it?
Jack: I don't know. I'm saying if you had a way to do that.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That would be the goal. Like, you could definitely build walls that are too high to climb and literally to the bottom. Because you could go under a Winnebago and come out the other side.
Cristina: But it's hard to imagine someone how. Like how that would work out. How it would work out of getting those trailer.
Jack: Yeah. In the middle of nowhere. I don't know how you'd remove them from the back of a truck so that it would be flat.
Cristina: Yeah. Like even if you found them, how. What's the next step?
Jack: I guess tip it off the truck. But how? What can you possibly find that could push it off?
Cristina: If it did, could you even pull it back?
Jack: What do you mean?
Cristina: Like to your location?
Jack: No, you'd bring the truck there. Oh, I see the problem. Yeah. There's no electricity. We can't.
Cristina: Yeah, yeah.
Jack: No, nevermind. There's no way.
Cristina: That's way too heavy.
Jack: The good thing about a trailer, a mobile, like a trailer home, is that it doesn't need electricity. You just connect it. The wheels are gonna move. Yeah, yeah, fair enough, Fair enough.
Cristina: But you should put something under it that's interesting. What if something sneaks under, like snakes? You don't want to worry about snakes. I guess so you should put something under it, I think.
Jack: Under what?
Cristina: The trailer trucks.
Jack: What do you mean worry about snakes?
Cristina: They could go under the trailer trucks and then attack you. I don't know.
Jack: How are they under the trailer truck? How are they gonna attack you?
Cristina: They're gonna sneak past your, I guess, your top, your trucks and attack you.
Jack: Why wouldn't they be able to do that anyways?
Cristina: Why wouldn't they? If you had something covering those spots where they could hide in. Because they're not in your home, whatever your area, the area you live in. I don't know why snakes are there. Snakes are there though.
Jack: There's probably. Snakes could probably just come out of the water. I don't understand what the problem is.
Cristina: To come out of the water. I don't know. It's just horrifying. If a snake Attacks you, I guess.
Jack: Like, I don't see.
Cristina: It's apocalypse work. Snakes are attacking.
Jack: Yeah. It's weird anyways, I guess. Yeah, that's what's gonna be happening there. People gonna. The woods or survival. I don't know how we got here. What led us to this?
Cristina: The electricity magically stopped working. Yes, all of it.
Jack: Because we don't know.
Cristina: We don't know.
Jack: But what led us to the electricity dying? Why was that important?
Cristina: It just was because. I don't know, the snakes were.
Jack: Oh, because we were talking about humanity being whack and reliant on all their technology.
Cristina: I totally forgot that. Yes.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're all f******. Yeah. We would immediately devolve.
Cristina: Wow.
Jack: Well, we got really far into how hardcore we would need to survive if electricity died. People go crazy.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: D***.
Cristina: They would.
Jack: They would. That's mad real. That wasn't even, like, kidding. That's exactly what we would need to do if electricity died out.
Cristina: That's our plan and we're sharing it with everyone.
Jack: Yeah, it. Now everybody's gonna be at Rivers Party.
Cristina: Oh, yeah.
Jack: So anyways, if you guys want to join our river party, make sure to do that. Sign up on some place where there'll be things to sign up on, I guess, and you can find other conversations about, I guess, apocalypses. There's a couple of episodes based on the different scenarios. I think there's one about the more probable apocalypses. There's another one about also building a civilization entirely based off of a potato.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So, yeah, there's a. There's a lot that could be done finding episodes related to this. So you go ahead and look for that and you can find all that stuff on the official website greatthoughts.info or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and anywhere you get your podcast.
Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok @justcombopod.
Jack: Yes. And also remember to subscribe, rate, and if you feel so inclined to review the show, that is always, always appreciated.
Cristina: Yes. And let someone who might like this show know about it.
Jack: Yes. Word of mouth is the most important thing in the face of earth. So if you know somebody who would like to listen to this show and needs good survival advice for when the good government disconnects electricity, assuming we're all going to go chaotic and murder one another and they want to go and join our river party, they need to hear this episode.
Cristina: Yes. This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.
Jack: Bye. If you do lose it. Then again, those awards are paid off anyways.
Cristina: They're paid off? Yeah.
Jack: Like the people who made the films put their films in the thing and then they bribe the guy and whoever got the best bribe is the one who gets the trophy. Or would have.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And it's like you just pay a bunch of people off and then they say your movie was the greatest. And then people think your movies the greatest. Cuz they said the movie.
Cristina: And then more people want to work with you.
Jack: And people. Yeah, more people want to work with you. More people want to watch your movies. Yeah, because you paid somebody to say they're the greatest.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And then somebody. You paid to give somebody an award for being the best actor in your movie. All of that. You paid for it. It doesn't necessarily need to be true.
Cristina: No.
Jack: But yeah, it's great. Sweet, fantastic. That's how it works. And then people didn't want Netflix to be part of that. I remember that argument.
Cristina: Because they're haters.
Jack: No, because Netflix doesn't pay anybody to do anything. It just submitted its thing.
Cristina: Cuz they're. Yeah, they're. They're the indie of movies.
Jack: Yeah. And they're s******* on all the other people.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And winning. Winning. They're winning hard. Other places have to go put their movies on Netflix now. That's how bad it's getting. Do you want to make a movie and you didn't put it on Netflix? Good luck getting it seen.
Cristina: Does that mean there's not gonna be any awards? Because the whole deal was like, they can't come, they can't join because they don't put their stuff in movie theaters. But right now, what's being in movie theaters? So what's gonna be winning? Anything.
Jack: Netflix wins anyways.
Cristina: Yeah, it has to be. Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.
