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Rambling 299: Dead CEOs and Chinese Drone Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised. Jack: Going live in 5, 4. Cristina: What does live mean? Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack. Cristina: And I'm your host, Cristina. Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas, which we will definitely do today. But we were just talking about the medubla oblongata and how it sounds ridiculous. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And so I was gonna go and do the most basic surface level. We're gonna trust Wikipedia right now. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And we're gonna see where it came from. The word the. Yeah. Why? It's. Why it's so dumb. Cristina: You think wiki's gonna tell us why it's so, though? Jack: I think so. I think they'll tell us about. Cristina: The word is from someone's name. That's why it's so dumb. Jack: Let's see, let's see. Does it tell us where the word came from? Okay, what if we go to a dictionary or some crap? Cristina: So you're leaving wiki? You just said you were gonna go to wiki. Jack: Then we can't trust wiki. Cristina: No, we can't trust wiki. Jack: Okay, based on how it sounds, where do you think it came from? Cristina: I don't know. Each piece probably means something. Jack: You're right, because. Yeah, yeah. It's not just a science word, but rather it's specifically a medical word. And medical words are built of descriptors that tell us what it means ultimately. Cristina: So I'm gonna guess that. And if it's not that, it's based on someone's name. Jack: Okay. Okay. Cristina: Those are my two guesses. I don't know if I have a third guess. Third guess is, I don't know someone like that name. They had the word first. They're like, what could I make this word mean? Has anyone done that before? You give it a meaning. Like if you had the word cat before you had the animal cat. And then you're like, okay, I'm going to call that thing cat. Jack: Interesting. Interesting. So you're. You're. You're questioning right now how we come across the original idea to name a thing? Cristina: Yes. Jack: Well, the only people we would need to defer to would be, I guess, an inventor. How does an inventor go about naming a thing that didn't exist before, that they have created? And I guess ultimately it comes from previous components that you're aware of. A good example would be the invention of the iPhone. Although it's not the invention of a phone, it's the invention of a computer phone. And he used parts he knew, like the word phone already, and merged it with things. So if we think of that as just the most exaggeratedly basic version of it. Cristina: Like microwave. Jack: Yes, exactly. And it's kind of telling you something about it in a manner, shape, or form. It's using what you already know about the concept. So. Cristina: So at the end of the day, that goes with the first thing guess of what. Why the word is the word. It's just, it's. It's parts. Jack: Yeah. So it breaks down into the following. The medulla means marrow or innermost part. And in. In anatomy, it refers to the central part of an organ or the structure. Medulla. Cristina: Okay. And the rest. Jack: And then oblongata, derived from oblongas, meaning elongated or oblong. And they're both Latin. Cristina: Okay, what's the first one again? Jack: Medulla. Cristina: No, I mean what it means. Jack: It means marrow or innermost part. Okay, so it's the innermost elongated brainstem. Cristina: Okay. And that's what it actually is. Jack: It literally translates to elongated marrow. Cristina: Okay, but that's what it means also, the word. Jack: Yes, the word means elongated marrow. And the brain stem is the elongated marrow and the. Or the elongated marrow part of the brain. Some. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And it's Latin. So it comes from Latin and it means that, so. No, you're totally right. It's just explain a word explaining itself. Yeah, it's just a word. I mean, in science that tends to happen. 00:05:00 Jack: And it makes science one of the most elegant and direct languages. Because even if you have no idea, if you've never heard the word before, you can at least piece the word together. The. The words meaning together just based on what it is, that or how the. Cristina: Word is written, how the word is. Jack: Right, yeah. What went into creating the word. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Is all you need to know what happens in science, what's happening, what that word means a lot of the time, not all the time. Some things are ridiculous. Think what simple concepts like dark and black is used just for anything unknown. And sometimes, I mean, the fun thing is they're not fun thing. But the clever thing is it's always minus the darks and the blacks that are concepts we usually don't know. We slap that on something that has a question mark. The dark side of the moon. Simply because we don't see it, so we're less familiar with it. A black hole. It's because we can't study it. We can't see the inside of a black hole. We can only see its effect on everything minus that Science is a literal language. So literal, a lot of the time they'll just be like, like, Just like that. It's like the elongated brainstem, basically, that's just straight out telling you what it is. Cristina: Why did you choose that word? Jack: I don't know why I said that word, but now we know it came from. It's Latin and it means elongated marrow, which is basically just discussing the part that it's from. Anyways, today we're going to speak about current events that I've wanted to talk about, but we kept getting interrupted. And we're definitely. Cristina: Anymore. Jack: They're not current anymore, but we're still going to talk about them. Nevertheless. People are desperate to know what it is I've been trying to talk about for the last several weeks, but we kept getting sidetracked. But in the time that we have been waiting to discuss that, two very interesting things that we're going to quickly run through happened. And I want to talk about them before we get to this news that I've been trying to talk about. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And the first of the things as is the CEO. Dude. What the. Cristina: I don't really know what happened. I know he died. And I know the person who killed him. His name? Luigi. Jack: Luigi. Well, it's unclear if Luigi act is the guy. Cristina: What? Jack: He's just the guy who got arrested. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: It's unclear if he's the guy who actually did it. Cristina: Oh. Jack: Although, maybe. But the story goes that this guy's mother has some illness and she watched her mother suffer. I don't know if she died. Maybe she did, maybe she didn't. His mother was suffering for a very long time, continuously getting turned down by that guy. I guess he got obsessed with the revenge scenario here. And one of the things that people digging around about the guy who got shot is that he runs the insurance company that turns down the most people. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And so, yeah, interesting, right? Plot thickens. And so this guy hunted him down and killed him in the middle of street one day. Cristina: What? Jack: Yep. The shot him. Cristina: Okay. Whoa. And then why is he a celebrity now? For that. Jack: Okay. That's where it becomes interesting. And where the darks of the world are taking an interesting turn and where a lot of the things that are happening on earth kind of start to click together. First of all, people are valuing this guy as a hero because he did what a lot of people would do or wish they could. Not what they would do. What a lot of people wish they could do is hit the people who control your lives back for making Your lives s***** and them profiting off of every bit of that. He took that into his hands and really did it. People were like, oh my God. Yes. And he didn't do it selfishly. He did it for his mother. He has. There's paper trail. They know that. What the reasoning is. Cristina: Crazy. Okay. Jack: Now weird chain reaction that's happened is other CEOs are horrified. They've removed their social medias and they have removed their images from their websites from online, from their company things or whatever. These people who love showing off how rich and powerful the are suddenly removing the. The fact that they're rich and powerful from the eyes of other people. Cristina: Yes. I feel like, I don't know if it was this or before this, that there was this meme with Elon Musk covering his body with babies. I don't know if it had to do with this though. Jack: Weird. Cristina: But like he's going to use his children to defend himself against any shooters or something. Jack: It's because after a CEO got shot, the very next image of him, like the very next time 00:10:00 Jack: you see him, he was just always his kid. Cristina: Who? Elon Musk. Jack: Oh, he had a kid with him ever since. Cristina: Oh, that's awful. Okay, yeah. Jack: Interesting. But this brings up an interesting point. And, and it reflects a lot that's going on. So what this is. And a lot of people are kind of noticing it and it's. It goes into people like worshiping this guy and being like this. Do it to the rest of them and all this crazy. It comes down to we just saw one of the first rich be eaten by the poor. And it happened in public for everybody to see and realize, wait a minute. That guy who s**** on everywhere we eat is just like us. He's not a God. A random guy did it. A ra. I'm a rat. You're a random. Wait, we're all random people. That's all it took. Why did I think of him as some other thing? This insurance company did it to my family. It's a weird domino effect. Cristina: So you think this is just the first. Jack: I think we just saw one of the first rich get eaten. And I think like all things, cracks show before the dam breaks. The flood always arrives and somebody always notices and nobody listens to that person screaming, okay. Until the flood arrives. Cristina: So you think, you definitely think this isn't going to be the last time. Jack: I think that we are entering some really horrible state in time where I do. I do believe it's apocalyptic. I've been saying this for a While. And I genuinely do believe we have maybe within a couple of years, 10, 20. Cristina: Think this is a result of that, or this is just proof. Jack: This is more of the ball getting ramped up. We're in the apocalypse. It's been happening for like 20 years. If we were to say, like, when the. When would we think it began? Some point. The last 20 years. The apocalypse began that moment. Not the biblical apocalypse. Although they could say whatever they want. Short lines up. If you think about. And you want it to. Cristina: Okay. Jack: But the end of times as we know it has in fact begun in a logical kind of way, in a measurable kind of way. We see nuclear powers everywhere, all on edge, looking at each other, all wondering which one of us is going to pounce and take the rest of them. Yeah, we're one world government is going to happen. Which one of us is going to be. And it's that tension. Everybody's armed. If somebody slips up, we all die. Cristina: Mm. Jack: So when it happens, it's going to be a clean sweep. And everybody thinks they're the one who's going to do it. They're the one who has it figured out. Somebody makes a wrong move, we all die. Cristina: Yes, but it's gonna happen soon. Jack: Yeah, exactly. It's either gonna. One dude is gonna do it right, or it's rap. It's the end. We're here. I think we're reaching the great filter that scientists speak of. This thing that, like, why don't we see civilizations in space? It should be filled with them. We should be in. We shouldn't be able to escape seeing them all the time. And it's because maybe life happens everywhere, but there's some thing, some hurdle that happens sociologically or scientifically or something that stops you from making it. Nuclear power is dangerous. We are all so armed enough that if we launched everything, we could clean out the Earth. We have enough, and we've got it aimed in enough of a spread that even the places we don't hit are gonna be covered off and everything is gonna be snowing an ice ball for a long time. It's f***** either way. Nukes drop, everybody goes. Cristina: Everybody goes. Jack: Everyone goes. There's no solution to it. Everyone goes. And. Yeah, no, that's crazy. It's. I do think we're in that. And if we assume in the last 20 years that ball got rolling, then the George Floyd riots that spread out across the world, they spread out across the world. It wasn't just the United States. It was a country started. Yeah. Any country with Black people that felt oppressed rose up. It was riots in places. Cristina: And are people going to be rioting or are they writing for this? No, I don't know. Jack: I know. Think about the thing that happened with the Capitol. Was it rushed? Was it not? Did people incited that they. Not the moment. So impactful. The world knows about it. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And it's this sort of 00:15:00 Jack: bubbling. It's slowly. The heat has been kind of. You see the water shaking, but it wasn't bubbles. And now we're seeing one here, one over there. Eventually that s***'s gonna boil, and that's when the s***'s hitting the fan. Right? And we're just seeing the first bubbles. This guy was the first bubble. It was the first crack on the. D*** it. We're seeing signs of whatever that first domino was. Either Trump getting elected, either the Twin Towers getting it. Either the first black president being chosen, either the queen dying. Something happened somewhere. Cristina: I think this is gonna be a new normal, horrible thing. Like the school shootings that keep happening. Jack: School shootings have happened within this time. It's not ex. Yeah, that's just that the school shootings is another part of it. We had rarities of one case here, then five years later, another case over there at some point. Three, four a year. Yeah, you just hear about it all the time. You're like, oh, yeah, another school shooting. Schools just have protocols now. They just teach your children. If a shooting happens, what you do, it's like, what the. How. How is that normal? Cristina: I don't know. But is this the next thing like that? Jack: It is. What? Cristina: Is this the next thing like that? Jack: I think there are a couple of things and this is one of them. Yeah, I think maybe not like that. I mean, I don't know. That's. Can you imagine if every other day. Cristina: But I think shooting and at the sea, some CEO. Jack: Yeah, well, I think not necessarily the shooting of a CEO, but there is a. Now that we talking about it. And it came to my mind and it has happened before. Not the shooting of the CEO. No, no, no. The mocking of the dead. Because it happened with the submarine. Those rich guys. That was the mentality everybody had, those rich guys. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And this happened again. And now. Yeah, that rich guy. It didn't. I didn't connect those two dots until this very moment. Cristina: But there is something there. Jack: There's something there. It's people like, yeah, see, that's the mentality. You can see people like, nah, it let it happen. Whatever them. It's like, d***, bro, that was Still a person, ultimately. But no. The mentality has shifted them. Let it happen. Let them all go through it. Whatever. I hope more go underwater and sink. And it's like, okay, you guys are getting going some dark place. Cristina: Mm. Jack: But it's not dark if it's normal. That's just where the people are. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You understand? That's the problem. Because if it's dark, other people are gonna be like, no, no, no, don't go there. The problem is everybody's in on it. It's not dark. Cristina: It's not dark. Jack: It's just where the people are. Dark is down from where you are. Everybody's in the same spot. That's just normal. That makes this normal. Everybody's on board. Every time it happens, everybody's on board. This is the second instance. Just as many people on board. Like, yeah, it. Okay, can't wait to hear about the next one. I mean, think about how messed up it is when they tried to hit the president. How many bastards online were like, well, next time, don't miss. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Think about how messed up that is. People are disconnected. They're down for it. Those are. Those are the cracks. We're seeing one here, one over there. They look unrelated. Oh, that kid was doing tricks against the d*** wall, and he was always hitting the same spot. He was there for months, always trying to land the same trick. Obviously, that's a crack from that. And that's crack over there is from when Mike hit it with the golf cart. He got it up here somehow. I don't know how he got it on the dam, but then he hit the wall, and that's why it's there. Unrelated cracks. There's nothing to worry about. That's happening with every instance. Oh, unrelated. No, this was the president, and he's. He is Hitler. Yeah, it's unrelated. That has nothing to do with it. Well, no, this guy's mom was going through the thing, and he was directly affected. That's unrelated. Jack: But is it. The reaction is the same every time. Is it unrelated? Maybe what's causing the moments is. Cristina: Yeah, but people's reaction. Jack: People's reaction isn't unrelated. That's just where we are. That's not unrelated. That's where we all are. Why? Weird. Interesting. Cristina: I don't know. Jack: And I think we're watching the dominoes fall. Very. Some mad metaphors. All the metaphors in the world. Is it a dam? Is it bubbling? Is it dominoes? Is it a snowball? Cristina: I don't know. It's the ending of Fight Club. Jack: Yes. Yes. We're watching Project Mayhem leave narrator's control, where he can't even realizing he's Tyler Durden. Tell the 00:20:00 Jack: guys, hey, guys, no, we can stop this. Look, I'm telling you to. And they were like, no, you told us that if. That if you tried to stop us. You're not you. You're some other you. It's like, oh, f***. I prepare for everything. This is totally out of my control. And, like, I think humanity is somewhere. I mean, dude, France has been in a war with itself. Cristina: This kind of makes sense because, like, if the government is secretly controlling everything, and then we're reacting this way because, like, we see that it's all fake anyway. Jack: That's the other problem. Oh, my God. Cristina: So why should we care? Jack: You bring up an interesting point. Because. Okay, I was just about to mentioning France right now. Right. With your point in mind. Well, that's what they show us. And why would they show us something they didn't want us to see? Cristina: If we know it's all fake, if the reactions these people are having aren't real, Especially the people telling the story, these journalists. Jack: It's all fake. So even. See, if I didn't see it myself, then the question would be somebody, maybe no CEO got hit. Maybe this is. This was the point of directing the mentality somebody is orchestrating. Somebody's out there with. With a little stick in a suit, standing over the planet, swinging his little stick and moving his hands around like we're an orchestra and we're slowly but surely being manipulated into states. There's a guy who's like, I want to be the only rich guy. I don't want to start having people eat rich people. Let's just make it normal water. The idea, though, is that then the. The concept here. Because everything is even the concept of the. Because they're not gonna show us things that are gonna make us think this. Either we broke through, which is possible. Social media is definitely a pain in the a** of people who liked lying. Or is it not? And that's also part of the illusion. Cristina: You think? Jack: No, maybe there can. I have entered states where I contemplate whether anything I've seen on the Internet was ever a real thing. How do we know? Even think about the concept of friends you've never met. Some people have messaged with individuals their whole lives that they've never heard their voice. How is that person real? Now, let's assume that what we know about the technology we have and our government held up always. Then 20 years ago, when The Internet began. That's just our introduction to it, because we know in the 60s, the Internet was created. Simple. But most people have no concept of this easel. Easy, easy to find. But most people are. Oh, the Internet began late 90s, early 2000s. Right. Assuming that's the logic, would they have equally by the beginning of us having the Internet, they have had all the tools already in place to control us and manipulate us. Since day one, it's always been there. It developed with that there. Obviously, if I wanted to message you because I've met you, there's also direct connection with the few people who are actually using the thing. Everybody else is spinning in the wheel, and nothing is real. Most of us are interacting with AI through AI for AI. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And I can still connect to you through the sea of AI and people around me are real. But we're all being manipulated by this one AI that's pretending to also be these other people who we've never seen, never met. And there's no way to do it. There's a few real people out there, but they would never want to. The fake ones would never want to really meet me. Oh, I can't because of this and blah, blah, blah. No, I'm living my life down there and whatever. Mm, interesting. So most of what you've always seen, forever, the entire time you've been interacting with the Internet, fake. The same way every newspaper that came out could have completely been fabricated stories meant to manipulate and sway your thought. You have no way of proving. No way of proving it. If the. Let's assume the newspaper was that the whole time. Maybe not the whole time. It was really about giving news. Little by little, power was taken from the newspaper somehow. Like a. Like a Facebook being influenced by the government and bending them somehow. Just like that, this happens. You have hands coming in from behind and slowly take over. And now newspaper is just propaganda machine. Fine, totally. But the Internet's about to come through. But wait with the newspaper company. And we sell bullshit for the government as the government is being built. Oh, they are paying us to make this thing where we're gonna give them, quote, news that the government can directly 00:25:00 Jack: modify however they want. We create templates, and they fill it in the blanks. Cristina: The government. Jack: The government or some. Or maybe tell us what to say. And maybe the whole time. And then Facebook comes in and, oh, Facebook is stealing our data. It's because somebody found out maybe it was doing it the whole time. It didn't start late. It was designed to do it. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: Somebody Found out. Oh, no. We're gonna change the thing. They just tightened security, so it's harder to find. Cristina: Definitely. Definitely. Yeah. Jack: You get my point, huh? So it was always lying to you. You were never looking at anything. It's all. Nothing is real. I've gone into that space of mind a couple of times, and it would make sense. Cristina: With the Internet or with everything? Jack: With everything. If not the newspaper, then maybe some medium before the newspaper was the bull. Maybe the town square screamer guy. Cristina: Him? Jack: Yeah, maybe. Every time he came out, the king is like, well, tell them this. It ain't true, but whatever, okay? And that guy becomes the news guy, and then that guy sells the newspaper and that guy tells you the news on, like, an anchor. And then the news anchor becomes the influencer. And, like, ultimately, all these people you've never met and never seen aren't people. You're being sold bullshit. Controlled by people who are paid to sell you bullshit. Cristina: See? Jack: And, oh, a CEO got shot. Never happened. We think it happens, and everybody around us thinks happens because we all see the same thing saying, I think it happens. And then we all repeat that it happens, and we all believe it, and we have no way to disprove it. Cristina: Okay? Jack: It happens somewhere away from me. How am I gonna go prove it? How are you gonna prove it? Anybody who's not and anybody who's there. Did you see it happen? Oh, no. It happened down there. You've never met somebody who saw it happen. You never meet anybody who saw it happen. It happened. You were showed it happened. It happened here. And this time. Oh, how weird. I was a block from there and I didn't see it. I didn't hear gunshots. Cristina: Crazy, okay? But if I did, if I had to actually do that every time I thought, like, I had to know the story was real. If I really was that obsessed, you don't think I'd be able to do it? You don't think I'd be able to find someone that saw something? Jack: You could find somebody who's told to tell you that. How do you know that's not the case? You know? Okay, that's my point. How do we know? But anyways, outside of the point, that's just a headspace I've gone into several times associated with things. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And if we assume everything the government does is, everything media companies do is they're just trying to sell more ads. Everything is manipulated. Manipulation of the public. Why would this be the moment that decided to tell us the truth? That would literally put them, the controllers, in Ninja. Either we broke through, there's a puppet master somewhere, or I mean, I guess that's pretty much it. I would broke through, there's a puppet master somewhere. Cristina: This isn't true. Jack: Or this isn't true. Cristina: It's probably not true. I don't know. Jack: If there's a puppet master, it's not true. Cristina: If it is a puppet master, it's not true. Jack: Yeah, we're being manipulated into thinking it is. Well, so that then we revolt against rich people or something for somebody else's benefit somehow. Cristina: I don't know what the benefit is. I guess if the person that is fake dying could be just trying to hide. Jack: Interesting point. Cristina: Or just I'm tired of this life, let's go live a different life. So what's the best way to do it? Jack: CEO dies in public. Cristina: So then now he's no longer CEO. Now he's playing baker at some country somewhere else. I don't know. Jack: Interesting. Interesting. Cristina: Like death doesn't really have to mean death either. Jack: But then this goes actual back to the. The puppet master scenario. Somebody didn't actually die there. So what was the public. You didn't. You could just pay paperwork to say you died. Cristina: Want to make a big show about it? Well, because a lot of people know the CEO, I guess he needs to get. Make people he knows believe he said, yeah, it's not for us. Jack: Interesting. You think he got into some hot water? Yeah, maybe he's in some s***. Cristina: This is the way actual people with money have to get rid of the life that they're not happy with. They got the money for it. Jack: Got the money for it. An absurd amount of money. He could become anybody who wants. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Live the rest of his life perfectly fine. Interesting. So your argument is in a Black Flag event didn't happen. It was just a cover up. Cristina: Cover up? It could be a cover up. Jack: One big cover up. Cristina: I don't know. It all sounds insane, but like, how would you know? Jack: All of it sounds pretty crazy. Yes. I don't know. I don't know. The problem is nothing is provable. 00:30:00 Jack: Right? Cristina: But then what happened to this person? Luigi. Jack: Okay, so following the attempt, I guess the success. Following the success of this, other than people cheering him on, CEOs panicking. The cops went and hunted down a guy. They got some tips and they found him just sitting there at a coffee shop or something. A lady. An employee? No. Was it an employee? Yeah, I think it was an employee or a lady sitting there who was like, crap, I'll call and get in on it. Or whatever. But they're not getting the money anyways, apparently, because they called the cops, not the people who they were supposed to send the tip to. Cristina: What? Okay, someone's trying to make money. Jack: Yeah, they only did it for the money, so now they're a rat and everybody knows it. Cristina: Oh, my God. Jack: Also, they got doxed. Cristina: Oh, my God. Jack: That lady's information is all over the Internet. Cristina: Okay, so. But no, I don't want to care about here is crazy. Jack: What becomes interesting. They find a guy. The hoodie first. The problem is, I can't jump to what happened to the guy because in order to throw the cops off, thousands, hundreds of thousands of people just started dressing exactly the same to just make it exceptionally difficult. There are people just wearing the same green hoodie and, like, gray sweater or whatever the h*** he was wearing in the video. People just started dressing like that, either in honor of him or to throw the cops off. Regardless, the cops were very confused. There was too many people fitting exactly the same identity for days. Cristina: But then what happened, though? So they do get him. Jack: No, they get a guy. That's the. That's where the. That's why it's important that I say that. Cristina: Oh. Jack: Because the guy they caught, some dude called Luigi. People have broken down the video of the guy who did it. Now, I believe Luigi said he did do it, but people were like, that dude's kind of taking the fall for Luigi at this point. Because, I mean, Luigi's taking the fall for the guy who did it. These are two different heroes. Is the idea that people have. I've stumbled upon this thought a couple of times because the people dissecting the video where he shot the CEO have seen the mug shot and compared every single note. The guy you arrested did not suddenly grow a unibrow over the last two days versus the guy who shot, who was not. Cristina: There's a video of this, too. Jack: Hella breakdowns. People showing them. People are calling Luigi a hero because he's not letting the mystery shooter get caught. Now, again, I don't know if this is the actual truth. This is just the Internet's impression. And this hasn't been confirmed by any authority figure. This is people. But also the people who are least going to tell you the truth are the authority figures. And the experts are usually the people. Now, there's this theory, a psychology theory that's a very pronounced sociological effect. Weird phenomenon where individually people are stupid, but collectively they tend to be right with astounding precision. This is easy to prove as a test with A jar of marbles, A random number of marbles. You give people the same jar, different groups of people. Everybody's gonna be very wrong about how many marbles are in the jar when they guess. But collectively, they're gonna be almost on the mark. Cristina: When you, like, average out the number. Jack: Yeah, when you average out the numbers, they. They're always right. They're, like, within margins. I've seen the test on, like, YouTube. Get to. There'll be, like, 10,000 people, and they're within, like, 50 marbles of the right number, and there'll be, like, hundreds of thousands of marbles in the thing or whatever the h***. Just crazy numbers and the likes get there real with crazy precision. It never fails. This is why voting systems tend to really reflect what the people really think, because individually, everybody's stupid, but collectively, our thoughts mix into one cohesive thing. Cristina: Okay? Jack: And I think the people might be. Cristina: Right, but he's not the guy. Jack: He's not the guy. I think he's not the guy. I think this guy's just taking the fall. I think he's one of the many people who are like, you. Rock on, and you should be free because you did what we wish we had the guts to do. You're the hero, and we're the followers now. Cristina: But is there really a guy? Jack: There's a shooter, and there is a dead CEO, and there's a dude named Luigi, and he doesn't fit any of the characteristics. And the outfit he was seen while he was getting arrested with, which a bunch of people recorded, does not look like the same hoodie or 00:35:00 Jack: the same sweater. Cristina: He looked like the same. Jack: No, they were both green. It was. This is a green hoodie, like the guy in the video, and a sweater that was gray like the one in the video. But they were breaking down. This is the guy dressing like the dude and then claiming he's the dude. Because the dude in the videos hoodie has this cut. And you could see there, somebody pointed at a little pocket that he had here that this guy you arrested who's wearing the thing, doesn't have. And the. The unibrow that the guy in the video doesn't have, but the guy you arrested does. And somebody's pointing out the shape of his head. This guy looks kind of like a white guy. The guy you arrested is not. So a bunch of those going on, and it's like, man, the average here is. People are saying that dude isn't the guy. And then when you look at it, you're like, I mean, crap, you'd have to stretch it to say he is. Cristina: Okay, but so far he is. Jack: So far he is. According to authorities. Got him. Well, don't do it again. You're gonna easily get caught. Cristina: That's the end of that. Jack: That's the end of that. You see the problem? That's what they want us to think. Don't do it again. You will catch you easy. We're good people. Over 72% of all murders in the United States go unsolved. This statistic is provable. It's not something people should know. But. But just for your knowledge, that is a fact, you can Google this. Cristina: Murders go on. Jack: Most over 72% on average go unsolved. Most crime is unsolved. You have a group of people working on it. That is true. Most things go unsolved. We only report the ones we do. Think about that and look at your local statistics. You don't have to take my word for this. Now apply that logic and tell me they got the right guy. And they're not just saying that. Cristina: They always say they have the right guy. Jack: They always say they have the right guy. Cristina: We have to assume that they're wrong. They've always lied. Jack: They do that so you don't panic and decide. Or not panic. They do that because they're panicked. They don't. If they don't catch the guy, the next dude is gonna say, wait, he did it and got away with it. Cristina: And most likely we all did get away with it. Jack: Many, many, many. Most. Statistically speaking, seven. More than seven out of ten. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: More than seven out of ten got away every time. Cristina: But they're not gonna show us that. Jack: They're never gonna show us that more than 7 out of 10 get away every time. Cristina: So then the guy that they're showing us has to be alive, Statistically speaking at least. Yes. Jack: If we caught the guy who tried, the president. Two of them. Cristina: They can't be. Jack: You're not telling me that this guy is also you? Just all super mega agents, get the f*** out of here. No, nah, nah. You guys can't solve crap when it matters. You're solving this random s***. Yeah, for a CEO, dude. Nah, you don't believe it. You're trying to sell some, like, mountainous s***. All the other CEOs threw a bunch of money at this problem and they're like, he got caught. We don't give a f***. He got caught. Somebody put somebody and say he got f****** caught. Somebody's going to jail. They're not going to Be out there thinking he got out because then who the one of us is next. Get the f*** out of here. And that's where they all at right now. There's statistics. I'm not saying that's him. I'm not saying that's not. I'm offering you data, factual data. Nobody has to believe me on s*** right now. Go look online. Go look at your local statistics and you tell me I'm bullshitting. Most mergers go unsolved now. You don't even have to. You assume he's in that 30% that does get caught. Right? Or not he's in. Assume that the 30% plays out and that somehow. Now you go and look at the two pieces of evidence is all you need to do. You don't need to take my word for s***. Think everybody's crazy. Do start there. F*** it. Cristina: What? Jack: And you just go and look at the video. It's public as f***. Of the assassination. And look at the guy. Pause it. You could zoom in. And then you look at the guy they arrested. Do this at home. Pause the show. Cristina: Can we pause the show to do this? Jack: You want to look at it? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: All right. Okay. Okay. We looked. We couldn't find. How do I put it? Cristina: I found his brother Mario crying. Jack: Great. We. I. I found the video, but it's unclear whether the video was removed by the user or if the video was actually wasn't removed by the user because he could have just blocked it. It goes to the error page where it says the video couldn't be played. So the video is experiencing some playback issues. 00:40:00 Jack: Interesting. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Now, in looking for this, I have confirmed something weirder yet, which I don't know where I stand on because the sources include ABC News, cnn, USA Today, CBS, and fox. But this is very confusing because it's kind of getting to that. Some event happened recently where we didn't know what was true. And we were like, this is probably the point. They want us confused. This guy was not insured by the company at all. At least the guy they arrested has zero connection to the United Health Care. Cristina: He. Jack: His parents were not insured by that company. His mom was not insured by that company. I think he lied. But what's complicated about this is the guy who got arrested was found with a notebook. Well, he wasn't found with a notebook, but in his home there was a notebook that was essentially tracing the CEO's footsteps. So it's the guy, but the story's a lie. Cristina: Okay. He's stalking this guy. Jack: He's been Stalking the CEO that he killed. He was planning to kill the guy. Cristina: For a while, but there's no real reason of why he did it. Jack: The reason he gave is a lie. Cristina: Okay? Jack: Because he was not insured by that. And a guy doing the thorough work he had, he would have known that's not the guy. So he told a story, although it's the story we're going with. But he wasn't insured by United Healthcare at all. Again, it looks like the intent here is confusion because that's too conflicting. I wish I remember what the recent thing that happened that was kind of like this was where it looked like the intention was confusion. Like, who's the bad guy here? Cristina: I think it was the dead bodies. Not the dead bodies. The mysterious crates. Crates on boats that were going somewhere that could have been bodies. Like there was always stories about something happening. But I don't think they found the bodies. They're just like something weird's happening. Jack: I think also covet as well the amount of like contradictory. But I think that was a cover up. I think they were trying to cover that up and because it was slow. Cristina: How many things are just cover ups? Jack: I think a lot of things are cover ups because his government up here and there's. Cristina: Okay, is this a cover up? Jack: I don't know if this is a cover up. I don't know. I don't know what the h*** I just read. This is crazy. I don't know. Then what the. Did he shoot the guy for what the? Cristina: Because he. See, he's a CEO, so you pick. Jack: Why he just tracked this guy at random and like this one out of a hat. Cristina: Yeah, we don't know. Jack: Yeah, it's not. It's weird. It's definitely strange. Luigi Mangione was not insured by United Health Care. Cristina: That's why he did it. Because he's not insured from them. I don't know. Jack: Which means it couldn't be denied by an insurance company that he was not involved with. Yeah, no, it's just a weird, like. I don't know. Anyways. Anyways, that's one of the two informations. Interesting. Cristina: I don't know if we learned anything. Jack: No, we didn't learn anything. But I just wanted to talk about that real quick. The second thing we got to talk about really quick, which is we didn't ground it, though. Cristina: We ungrounded. Jack: We were. We were. We were grounding it. And then I read that part. Yeah, Yeah. I got more informed and it stopped being grounded the moment it flew away. I mean, how do we. We were so close, too. I think. Think, like, oh, man. I don't know. How do we make this make sense? There's some information missing here. Cristina: I don't know. Jack: We'll probably return to it. We'll come back another day. We'll see what we. What we learn in a week. Cristina: Okay. Jack: The second piece of information is the aliens. Cristina: Aliens everywhere. Jack: Everywhere. Cristina: Always. Jack: All the time. Cristina: All the time. That's weird. Jack: Yep. Cristina: But they're not aliens. They're just droids. They just say droids. Drones and drones. Yeah, that's drones. Jack: Chinese drones. Cristina: Are they Chinese drones? Jack: I don't know. We'll say whatever the h*** is Chinese. I don't know. The government told us it's Chinese. There's the news. Or somebody told us it's Chinese. How do we believe it? Cristina: Does it look Chinese? Jack: How would we know what a Chinese drone looks like? Cristina: Does it just look like a normal drone? 00:45:00 Cristina: I try to look at videos. It just. It? Yeah, I guess. I don't know. Jack: Drones got, like, a general look. It doesn't look like any other drone. Cristina: But they're trying to make it look like a ufo, too. Like it's a drone. But it's round. Jack: Yes. Okay, so they've been seen all over the country. Primarily in New Jersey. Weird. Cristina: Weird. Weird New Jersey. Jack: Weird New Jersey. Always attracting the aliens. Always attracting the ghosts. Cristina: They're here for the big fit. Jack: The big fit. Cristina: The Bigfoot. The Bigfoot that's here. Jack: Maybe they're just here for, you know, the Jersey Devil. Cristina: We also have that, so. Jack: You know what's funny? You know what's the funniest part about this? They are hanging out in this area. They're in the area where Clinton Road is. I didn't even think about this. They are hanging out. Out here. What the h***? There's no escaping that place. Cristina: This place is supernatural. Okay? Jack: Yeah, there's something weird here, and they're. Cristina: Just checking that out. Jack: Especially as something like something's happening with humans right now. Cristina: But if they. Dish, you found the drone. Jack: It's not alien, robot. It's It. It. If it is an alien drone, then they didn't send a fleshy meat sack inside of it. Cristina: Why would they do that? Jack: It's just not. Yeah, it's dumb. It's just technology floating around. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Now, we shot it down looking at that video. It's just technology. Normal. It didn't look alien or foreign. It's just technology. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Okay. So that's what it looks like. Cristina: That's what it Is somewhat like a plane. Jack: Looks somewhat like a plane. Looks like a government drone. Cristina: And what does that mean? What does it mean? If it's just a government drone, why are they in New Jersey? Jack: That explains why our government immediately blames China. Cristina: China sent their government drones here. Jack: No, it's because it's the easiest, quickest, fastest, immediate go to response anytime our government does anything themselves. Cristina: So you think they're doing something and they're covering it up by blaming China. Jack: We can't prove them wrong. Cristina: They really shouldn't do that because then it makes it sound like maybe China has control of our drones. And that's even. That's. That's the fear. Why are they trying to spread that fear? But I don't think they're trying to spread that fear. But now that's the fear. Jack: Anytime we don't like something, they blame China as to build some sort of enemy with them. Cristina: But like, if that were the truth, that's pretty horrible because it's clearly our. Ours. It's us. Jack: Well, no, all drones across the world that are usually military drones look the same. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: It's not just ours drones. Cristina: It may not. Jack: There's different kinds of drones. The ones that look like floating saucers are more sports drones that they got four propellers and can do all kind of weird acrobatics. Military drones tend to just be planes that can do direct strikes. Cristina: And you think it's someone else's. You don't think it's ours? Jack: I didn't say either. I think our government is saying it's China. And like, I don't trust our government. It's full of. And it's probably our governments. Cristina: If it's our. Whether either way is kind of bad because it's a lot. It's not like one. They're sending one. It's a bunch. Jack: We're seeing mass observation. If it is our government, then they are creating mass observation for indefinite surveillance of the whole population. They are testing out the military state. Cristina: And that's kind of crazy. Yeah. And everything I read, like, I couldn't read about us shooting one down, even though that one looks like it was shot down. But there's a bunch of articles saying don't shoot them down. Jack: Yeah, interesting point. Cristina: They're saying not to, like. Yeah, I guess that makes sense. If those are your things, you don't want people to be shooting them down. Like so. Jack: Yes. Interesting. Interesting fact. They are telling. I mean, of course, if it's theirs. Cristina: Yeah. But like, why? What if they've lost control of their own drones. Jack: That'd be crazy. Cristina: Like, would they tell us that? Jack: Why would your drones come to New Jersey? Cristina: I don't know. But because, yeah, that. That shows that they truly don't have any. Jack: Look at. There's no strategic advantage to coming over here. Nobody in New York is like, we saw drones. Cristina: No, but I. I think they're spreading. I think some people are seeing them. Jack: In PA and in Maryland. Cristina: Yeah. So it is spreading. Jack: Interesting. Cristina: Why started here? I don't know. Jack: I mean, government surveillance is weird. That is definitely one answer. Yeah, it is a possibility. Government surveillance, which. Oh, my God. Cristina: This might be black. 00:50:00 Cristina: Mira. We might have lost them. Jack: We could have lost them. Or no, it's intentional. Is it coincidence that the CEO thing happens and the President's attempt happened and that we mocked the people in the submarine and we're at a day and age when the rich and the powerful are trying to legislate moderation of the Internet and control and censorship. And then, then drones start showing up, watching people and things kind of. When you look at all the parts, it looks like the people are getting out of control. Initiate the protocol to take control of everything. Cristina: But as far as we can tell, they're not really doing anything. Jack: It would be slow. You can't do anything quickly. Remember Hitler's teachings. Why? A wise man once said, it's more effective to gradually change the rules than it is to make one mass big sweep. You do annoying small things that. So you take the big problem, you take the giant rule you don't want them to freak out about, and you break it into all the separate parts that make that rule up, and then you just little by little, change those to the other side. They're not going to see the bigger picture. You made it about the little thing. And they're going to react a little thing and react a little thing. But then it's nuanced and boring and stupid, and it doesn't really affect them in any big way. Cristina: So you think there's more steps to this? Jack: I think there's a thousand steps. And I think everything is unrelated looking and small and nuanced. Cristina: Part of the apocalypse, Part of the. Jack: Apocalypse, Part of as we know it, it's ending. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: I don't know what's going on. It is crazy. And. And again, it would fit the picture right? It's. It wouldn't make this a separate set of news from the CEO being shot. It would make it an inevitable result of people in power hitting panic in the last couple of Months or years. And initiating all sorts of things to assure their own safety against who they deem to be the peasants, which would be. These drones are created by the rich and powerful to watch all the people and make sure that they are safe. Cristina: But why start in New Jersey is really funny. Jack: That would make the most sense if that was the case. Where do all the rich people go? The ones who don't want to be. Cristina: In the public eye saying they're in New Jersey? Jack: Montclair, New Jersey. West Orange, New Jersey. It's close enough to New York that they can still accomplish all their money needs and get home within the hour. Cristina: Okay. What? I don't know. There's too much going on. It's definitely not aliens. Jack: At least it's definitely not aliens. Based on the information we have, the thing surrounding it. It's humans. And quite possibly it's our own government drones. It's not even, like, advanced technology. The one shot down looks kind of standard. It's just military grade, which is problematic, don't get me wrong. Yeah, that's bad. Yeah, but. And the fact that our government is like, don't shoot that. Definitely foreign military technology down. What? What? So we're just. You're telling us it's China. What's the alternative here? We're China's now, and you're just not saying it out loud. Yeah, I doubt that. You say that the bad guy too often. Let's shoot him down, everybody. Shoot him down, everybody. Cristina: If that is China, then China won and now they control us. Yeah, like, is that the conclusion? Like, I guess China rules. Jack: I guess. Cristina: I don't know. Jack: They won the race to the one world government. Cristina: I guess. So, like, this is the start of that. Jack: Nah, that. Shoot him down. Don't listen to anything anybody tells you. If it's not your drone flying over your property, shoot it down. Doesn't matter how big it is. Shoot it down. Cristina: You might get hurt. Jack: Huh? Cristina: Now you might get hurt. Jack: No, get out of its way. You shoot it down in the opposite direction of where you are. You watch it. Oh, it's in front of me and it's coming my way. Okay. I'll wait until it's directly over me and shoot it. It's gonna fall somewhere to the other side. Cristina: Mm. Okay. Jack: Don't get hurt. Just shoot it down. Shoot him down. F*** that. Don't listen to anybody who's like, no, they're alien. They're foreign technology by our enemies. Also. Let it doing. Nah, f*** that. If it's foreign technology, that's spying on you, Shoot it down. If it's your government lying to you, shoot it down. There's no reason they could come up with for you to not shoot it down. That's justifiable and logical. They're gonna try to gaslight you. I swear to God they're going to. Don't listen to them. This sounds like a load of s***. It doesn't matter which side they try to flip it. 00:55:00 Jack: It's just a bunch of. Shoot it down. Don't hurt anybody. Don't go do what some of these maniacs is. Yeah. Cristina: Didn't you say someone got hurt or something? Someone died. Jack: Oh, yeah. No, fair enough. Somebody got. Yeah, they did shoot it down and hit somebody on the highway. Cristina: Yeah. So that's probably the reason they're telling people not to shoot it down. Jack: Fair. Fair. Cristina: It was big enough to kill someone. Jack: Shoot them down in the woods. Make sure it's flying in the direction that there aren't people. There you go. Shoot those down. Now. If they start to strategically plan their flights in the direction of people because they. They take note of this, then. Then whatever. Consider your safety over everybody else's and do what you got to do. They gotta come down. They're spying on us. Cristina: They're spying on us. Jack: If it's the enemy. Enemy spying on you if it's home. Well, home is the enemy now. And they're spying on you. Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty bad either way. Jack: It's pretty bad either way. If it's aliens, they're spying on you and like, they're. Cristina: I don't know. Jack: I mean, I don't know what you could do. Cristina: It doesn't really. You can't. Like, even if you shoot it down, then it's not gonna accomplish. Jack: No. Another one will be replaced probably. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Quickly. They won't care. They could cross space. They probably got infinite numbers of those things. Cristina: Yeah. It's already too late. If it's aliens, it's too late. So it doesn't matter, I guess. Jack: Yeah, that's legit. If it's aliens, it's too late. There's nothing we can do about that. Cristina: Yeah, but if it's not, Just shoot it down safely. Safely. Jack: Safely shoot it down. Try to avoid people getting harmed. Cristina: But. Jack: But on the. On the offside. This isn't foreign or from home. What, it's just a plane. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: On the flip side, maybe the guy only shot the wrong drone. And that's not. Because if you look at some of the other videos and images, it kind of looks Like a weird alien craft, like a flying saucer or some s***. Cristina: So you think the government threw the up their drones around the area where the alien drones are, and that's why they don't want you to shoot any drones because you might destroy the government's drones that are. Jack: Maybe they're trying to study. What the h***? Interesting point. Cristina: There's some weird drone war happening right now, and they don't want us involved in it. Look, so it's easier just to say it's China, but leave it alone. Jack: When you look up, you're gonna see either the stars or drones, and they're gonna be at war. So while this Star wars is happening. Cristina: Horrible. Okay? Jack: And it's a Clone War that's happening. Don't shoot anything down. Let that Star Wars Clone wars happen. Can you imagine if I could do that indefinitely with random topics and just speak in titles? Cristina: Titles. That's horrible. That's horrible. And I hate it. I think everyone else hates it too. Jack: If you didn't know the reference, it would be fine. It's only if you knew the reference that you're like, you clearly like. Cristina: But then once you add Clone wars, it doesn't really make sense anymore. Jack: Why? That's the name of the movie. Star Wars Clone. Cristina: No, but, like, what does this relate. Where's the clone in this? Jack: Oh, crap. You're right. Cristina: It should actually connect to what's happening. Jack: Oh, the problem is here's. Here's where I messed up. Here's where the logic happens. The clones were created to fight the drones. Cristina: Okay? So you have to actually know what's going on in Star wars to get it. Jack: There's no clones in this, so it doesn't make sense. It made sense in my head when I remembered that the clones are actually controlled by the same people who own the drones. Cristina: Oh. Jack: Yeah, that's the real story. The people who own the clones own the drones. This fake proxy war to acquire more. Cristina: Power, maybe that's what this is. Jack: I guess. I guess. Cristina: Yeah, but powerful. Jack: Who from the people. The. The only thing we have to take. Cristina: Him if whoever's running China somehow. This is a show for China to show our capability if they decided to attack us like this. Jack: You think there's an invasion? Cristina: Dude, here's the argument. Jack: Here's the argument. Here's the argument taking just. Let's assume we're not being lied to. News media is correct and government statements are true. These are Chinese drones spying on the east. We have Chinese actual planes and spy planes checking 01:00:00 Jack: us out in the west, you want us to be safe. You have the border on the south letting through, on top of everybody else, a wave of, for some reason, Chinese immigrants coming from the south into the country that are being driven in buses directly to New York City with the rest of the South American immigrants. Bro, if we just take what you're telling us at face value. Do you want us to think a war is about to happen and are you about to start attacking the people? Is China invading? That's one. If not, are you using this as a means you're feeding? You're telling us this is all true. You're telling us. Government's telling us. You want us to think that there's an invasion happening so that you can invade ourselves. You're gonna attack us and blame them. Is that the goal here? Cristina: Or to have a reason to attack them? Jack: Or have a reason to attack them? Fair enough. Both. Maybe do both. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Attack them and say, oh, they're everywhere among us. We have to take control so we can weed them out. Out martial law until we find them. And they'll never find them. Cristina: So you think. Jack: Why are you telling us that all of this is Chinese? The Chinese with the Russian to the west, Chinese drones to the east, Chinese immigrants. There's no China beneath us. They took planes and technology there and migrated through the southern border. How the f*** this sounds like an invasion, bro. Like a strategic one too. Really good one. Cristina: But it's not an invasion if we're letting it happen and we know about it and we're helping them. Like it's not. It's ownership, it's something. Exactly. So are we already. Have we lost already? Or is. Are we just saying China's the bad guy when China's actually the secret puppet master this whole time? Jack: I don't know. They are the aliens we see in our skies and our government selling us. No, and those are not aliens. Those are the Chinese. Don't hurt them. And yeah, don't hurt that thing that's also in the West. Looking over one of our most important access points. Actually one of the most important access points on Earth, Anchorage. They're just hanging out by that. Russians and Chinese, the people we have over here on the East. Casual. Also, we got crazy beef with the Russians that they're hanging out over there with. Especially because we just green lit their direct war competitor to use weapons that are going to attack their people and their leaders deep into their country anyways. Yeah, don't shoot that plane down. What the. Does that mean? What? Confusion. Yeah, all the information Is conflicting all of the time. It's like, did Luigi do it? Weirdly enough, the spaceships that we're seeing and the guy shooting the CEO are all one f****** story. It's a weird control thing happening, and there's a bunch of confusion everywhere. Intentionally, it seems intentional. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Weird. Cristina: Mm. What? I don't know. I don't know what's going on. Nothing makes sense. Jack: Nothing makes sense. Confusion looks like the goal. Like, it absolutely looks like part of the plan. Here is a bunch of information. We saying this. We're saying that we're all legitimate sources. According to what we're saying. It's like, what? What? Dude, you said that's the bad guy. You said they're a threat. You said they're trying to spy on us. You said, there's nothing worse to our security than China. Also, those are Chinese drones. And also, don't touch them. Let them be. Cristina: Yes. Jack: At in the same breath that you're telling us the most dangerous nuclear power on earth that directly hates us is teamed up with them watching our western border. And you're like, no, it's all good. You just had a training. Nah, nah. When you put it all together, bro. Nah. Cristina: What's happening then? Jack: I don't know. I don't know. It looks weird. Cristina: It looks very strange. Jack: But everything does lately, because it's falling apart, I think. Again, my theory is the grasp for total control because the people are. They're over it. Cristina: But then is any of this anyone or is this us? Jack: I don't know. I don't know if somebody. That's the crazy part, right? Because it comes back to how much of this is true. If everything is being controlled. Did we break through and show a CEO? No, because it's on everything. It's everywhere. Cristina: So it's all fake or real? Jack: One or the other. That's the problem. And that's the other issue. If it's all fake. It's always been fake. We've never been told the truth. We have an idea what reality looks like. The people who know have always lied to us about it. Cristina: Yeah, that could be it, I think. Jack: Weird. Cristina: Yeah. 01:05:00 Cristina: I gotta find some of these drones. That I'll know. Jack: Anyways, those are the two things I quickly wanted to talk about. Now we can talk about the point of this episode, which is supposed to. Oh, crap. Cristina: What? Jack: We're way over the time. Cristina: Oh, all right. Jack: Yeah, we're gonna have to do this next time. Cristina: No one is gonna care. Jack: They care. And look, I promise we're gonna get to this. It's important they need to know our thoughts on these matters. Cristina: Okay? Jack: And we're going to get to it. Except we don't have time for that today. So next time we're gonna talk about this. But today we unpack those aliens. Cristina: Did we? Jack: Yeah, there's no aliens. Cristina: I guess so, yeah, we did that part. Jack: And we also made more sense with the story of the aliens. Made way more sense of the story of Luigi. Cristina: Oh, yeah, it's all fake. Jack: It's all fake. It's all grounded. It's definitely feasibly a bullshit narrative made up by a bunch of different. So it's one of two things. Either yes, all of it is fake or all the parts are true. Either some dude really did kill a CEO, and that's not somebody trying to trigger you. Somebody broke through and decided to do the thing and the people cheering it on are real people. And there's a thing about to happen. There's a thing that's about to happen. Cristina: That's why we got these droid drones to stop this from happening. Jack: Exactly. The drones. So most of the news is true and people are spotting the rich people's attempt to solve their own fear. Yes, or all of this is f****** true. And those are not ours. That's an invasion. What's happening in the south is an invasion. And what happened with this guy is not real either. That's some stage situation done by the people who usually want to trick you into wanting to go to war with people. If you believe 911 was an inside job to have an excuse to go invade a place, then the drone excuse is the same logic. And there's nobody out west either. That's bullshit. We're just looking for reasons to convince the people that we need. And if we. The more riled up we get, the people the more riled up. So next thing we're gonna find out is that somehow this guy's an insurance company, was owned by some Chinese crap. Whether it's true or not. Oh, they had investors who were Chinese and making money off of whatever. Whatever the h*** we're going to be like. Oh, China. Cristina: Go to every story and see how all of them, any story you've ever heard is related to China. Jack: I bet. Bare minimum. I think it's like using nothing but FOX and cnn. We can connect any story back to China. Okay, then I guarantee you I'm almost. I'm like 99.91% sure that I can. Using no other sources. If they've talked about it, I could probably find the Mention of China in the article, even if they're not directly blaming it. Don't write the word China because it's part of the agenda. You need to think China associated with this article somehow. Cristina: Yes. Okay. Jack: Officials theorize maybe it was China or spectators were believing it was a Chinese. You know, just structured in a way that the thought, oh, Chinese put it up there. Even if they're saying they didn't, but then you'll read it later, they think China put it up there. Before long, even if all of them told you China didn't put it up there, you kept hearing China put it up there. Cristina: Yes. Jack: People definitely think China put it up there. We're not saying they did. People definitely think that, though. That guy over there thinks that. We spoke to these people of some expert think we don't. We're just reporting random crap. Some expert think. Some probably experts. We've deemed experts who were these experts. But with these experts, they think China put it up there. Before long. They never said it was China. No, but I'm sure with all of. Cristina: Them, they're always doing that. Jack: Subliminal messaging everywhere. Cristina: Yeah, the masters of it. Jack: Anyways, if you guys have any input, any thoughts on this Luigi character, any thoughts on that shooting, that murder, any thoughts on these alien drones that are really Chinese drones, that are really American drones that aren't real at all. They're probably just birds. Cristina: It's just birds. Jack: It's just birds. Robot birds. Government. Yeah, it's government birds. That's it. Okay, if you guys got any input on any of that, let us know, as well as how excited you are to hear the news. I got to share with you guys about the research I've done. Anyways, you can tell us about all these things on our socials at just convopod, on Tick Tock, on Instagram, on Facebook, on X. Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the 01:10:00 Cristina: show. Jack: Yes. And word of mouth is the most exaggerated thing in the world. Tell them we've solved it. We figured it out. We know who did the thing, why they did it, and what comes next with profits. Tell them we can tell the future. Cristina: All right, this has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. It. Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Cristina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Elin Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black. 01:11:11

June 29, 2024

Rambling 279: Stonehenge

June 29, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why does Stonehenge look so familiar? Who built this interesting structure? What was its ultimate purpose? The duo accidentally stumble upon Stonehenge while investigating cold spots for paranormal activity. Between familiar designs to identical functions, the similarities and purpose of this place becomes way more obvious than could have ever been anticipated.

+Episode Details

Stone Configuration
The Avenue
Legends and Folklore
Similarities to other Structures
Records, Documents and Texts

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. Hahahaha. Baffling day will be in fact.

Cristina: Haha.

Jack: Why, if I were some sort of a mime thing. Not a mime. What do you call it when you stick your hand up a doll's a** and you. He's not a mime, he's a puppeteer. Ventriloquist. First of all, I've never thought of this before, but have we in society sort of classified these two people in the same group? They're kind of like doing something, but also is like, what you're doing is impressive but unacknowledgeable.

Cristina: What?

Jack: The mime and the ventriloquist. Have we been treating them like equals? Kind of like, yeah, you're here, but like, f*** you guys. And not a direct f***** you, like cool, but like passively cool. You're not even like, inherently cool. It's just passively cool. Yeah, like, yeah, I'll stop and look at you for like a minute, for.

Cristina: A second, I don't know.

Jack: And then I'm gonna continue on my way. Regardless how impressive what you're doing might be. Outside of my point, this is a show where we ground stuff. And that doesn't mean that we take things from the ground or that we put things on the ground in the ground in a literal sense. Because in a metaphoric sense, we literally mean. In a metaphoric sense, we literally mean we grab things and put them on the ground. That's what we mean in a metaphoric sense. We mean literally, metaphorically, that we would grab something and put it on the ground so that it's like based. Okay, no, but we don't mean it literally.

Cristina: Even though you're saying literally.

Jack: No, no, no, we don't mean it literally. We mean it metaphorically, but we mean that metaphor literally. Okay, so we're literally meaning that metaphor, but we're not meaning the sentence literally. No, we're meaning the metaphor literally. Of course that we're grounding these thoughts. We're putting them on the ground anyways.

Cristina: We're starting off with like pictures.

Jack: Yes, yes, we are. You get it.

Cristina: Oh, snap.

Jack: You get it. Have you been having fun with the new mysterious? It's always more mysteries. Have you been enjoying this new format?

Cristina: Yes, I guess, because it's very Strange.

Jack: It is, but it's the fact that this keeps happening.

Cristina: It's everywhere.

Jack: Yeah. So I want you to tell me and the listener, I love this because I never put the image up. I tell them I'm always gonna put it up. But nobody puts it up. None of us put it up. Nobody puts anything up. The notes go up. Nothing goes up. Nobody puts anything up. So we're gonna describe this image. You're gonna describe this image. I know exactly what this is. I had to. Yeah, but you're gonna tell me what you're saying.

Cristina: I can't tell what's in the middle. I see. It looks like grass. It's a bunch of. It's just. It's very plain, grassy looking, with a circle.

Jack: So describe the grass. What are we talking about, grass wise?

Cristina: I'm not sure. Grass green.

Jack: Yeah. Like what? Where?

Cristina: Where? I don't know where. This is in the middle of nowhere.

Jack: How is the grass distributed?

Cristina: There's a lot of lines everywhere.

Jack: Is it plains? Is it a field? Is it a golf course? Is it a.

Cristina: It could be a golf course. I don't know. But there's a circle with two lines coming out of it. And then two lines come going over that line. But in the circle, I'm not sure what's in that circle. Is it trees? Can you tell what that's.

Jack: Yeah, I know what's in there.

Cristina: Are those trees, though?

Jack: No, I'm not answering that question yet.

Cristina: Not rocks? I don't know. And the two lines that are going out of the circle, there's something, some other type of path going through it. That. Not grass. Is it a road? It might be a road. I'm not sure.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: But everything else. The lines that are in the grass don't look like road lines. Those are, like, I don't know, biker lines. Maybe someone made it with a machine. But, like, grass is still there. So it's been a while. There, the lines.

Jack: Okay. Yes.

Cristina: And that circle is not perfect. Like, it looks like it's cut up in one side of it. But I don't know if that relates to anything. Okay. And I don't know.

Jack: All right, now give me some theories.

Cristina: What do you think this is something related to UFOs?

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because it's a circle in a field.

Jack: Interesting. So it's a field.

Cristina: Maybe, but it's very plain. So maybe it's more like a fairy thing because they like to do it in planes.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Circles and planes are fairy related.

Jack: Like what?

Cristina: Like what? Like that. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. Like what reference? What you're talking about fairies and planes.

Cristina: Yeah. Make circles, I think. And then they usually. What's in the middle of them? I don't know. It looks like trees to me.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Are we looking at it? Far away?

Jack: Say it again.

Cristina: Is this far away? Are we far away from whatever object is in the middle of that circle?

Jack: Yes, we're very far away.

Cristina: So I can only imagine that it's trees, but there's something sticking out. A bunch of something. I guess it could be rocks. It could be one of those things where people put weird rocks, like the stone hedge. But I feel like it's still fairy related, not alien related. Especially if it's. I don't know. I don't know. There's something because, like, when it's alien related, there's nothing in the circle. It's just, whoa, a circle. And then. But because there's something in the middle that makes it also feel like it's more fairy related.

Jack: I like the pattern you're spotting here. I've never thought of this before. We have discussed many alien instances. All their things are very exact lines. There's never objects in them. That is correct. We've also discussed fairies to extensive, deep, extensive details.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they always have something in the middle, and it's usually a circle. You're totally right. I like all the things you're pointing out here.

Cristina: So. Am I even close?

Jack: What do you think it is? Three guesses. It doesn't matter.

Cristina: Is that what they're called?

Jack: Or fairy trees. Okay, well, fairy trees are in the Isle of Man. Okay, go on.

Cristina: Okay. It's. So it could be a UFO circle. Anyway. Even if there's something there, like maybe things grew in there after a while. Anyway.

Jack: 100%. 100%. Like, what the h*** are we looking at? Right? They favor fields.

Cristina: And if it's just. If it's unrelated to either, then I don't know, a real nice, interesting gardening pattern.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: It's possible. I don't know why you'd want to talk about someone who did.

Jack: You are absolutely right about a lot of this.

Cristina: Stones.

Jack: Stonehenge.

Cristina: It was Stonehenge. That poor photo is Stonehenge.

Jack: That's photo Stonehenge. Think about everything you've spotted here that we are very informed in right now.

Cristina: So far, you can't even tell that there's stones.

Jack: Yes. That's not even the point. You spotted every. Everything that mattered about this. All the similarities, every f****** ounce of everything that mattered you saw in this image.

Cristina: It's very Bad image?

Jack: Very. It was important this. The distortion of this image mattered. I chose it intentionally because it was very small, and then expanding it made it very hard to see what was in the middle. So that you don't fixate on what was in the middle. I know how you work.

Cristina: That's so crazy, because you can't really tell. Yeah.

Jack: It looks like a blob of whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But you noticed everything else that mattered about that, right?

Cristina: Those things matter, though.

Jack: Every bit of everything you spotted mattered. And a lot of these similarities are like, But the question is, how did we get here? Right.

Cristina: It's not fairies. It's fairies. The answer.

Jack: Well, let me answer the question.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: How do we get on this road to begin with?

Cristina: With the hole in America.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Or I guess even before that. If we're starting from the beginning.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: It was that lady's house. Yeah.

Jack: We're just looking for distortions in space time.

Cristina: And you think there's a distortion here? There's stories about this place.

Jack: That's exactly what the landed me here. And that's what's throwing me off. Because then you look at it and then you're like, huh? Before I even read a story, I know who showed up here. I know what they saw, potentially just based on what I'm looking at.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yes. Give me some guesses and I guarantee you're gonna be on the nose of what the stories relate. Just looking at the shape of that. Give me one creature. Just make it an educated guess. Think about it. Don't go out of the blue based on what you're looking at. Make it one educated guess. Just one educated guess. You're going to be right. There's enough variation that fixates on this that you won't be wrong.

Cristina: I'm not sure what you mean.

Jack: One creature. One creature.

Cristina: The. Based on what you're looking at, creature and not fairies.

Jack: Not a fairy, but a creature that 100% you think could.

Cristina: Shadow Realm creature, or you're saying anything.

Jack: Anything you'd like. What comes to mind? What would show up? Whatever you want.

Cristina: Werewolves.

Jack: 100%. Yes.

Cristina: Okay. I don't know what.

Jack: So Stonehenge seems to be among the top 10 most active places that have ever existed. When I dive into what Stonehenge is, we're gonna be like, oh.

Cristina: Now more than just like what they say of like, it's a calendar in a way.

Jack: Okay, let's go straight to that. It's a calendar in a way.

Cristina: So. Yeah, that's enough of that.

Jack: Yeah. Calendar. That is the Sort of basic narrative we get. Right. That's the accepted narrative.

Cristina: You can see the passing of the seasons on certain points or something.

Jack: The light comes in between the sort of rock formations and that it works kind of like a clock, but for months at a time. And seasons. And that's it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just a clock for months and seasons. Pretty basic, Pretty simple.

Cristina: Yes. I mean, it's still kind of complicated because it's so ancient to be doing that, but. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah, a hundred percent. And that's really, really, really badass about it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But then I just gotta ask some basic questions. When you think about what it looks like, what does it look like?

Cristina: What does it look like?

Jack: What? Describe what Gates. Stonehenge.

Cristina: It looks like gates. They're gates.

Jack: Tell me the complicated nature of this. This is absurd, right? Just knowing what we know in general, why is it that we see this formation that's happening here? So now we got a close up look. Describe the current image we're hovering over. Describe what Stonehenge really looks like as we see it today.

Cristina: A bunch of stones. Two stones. Two long stones going up, one stone on top. Like a gate because there's like space in between each one. How many are there? Because there's one in the middle, one on the outside. And it looks like there could have been. There's a little bit in the middle too, but that could have just been the. The ones that were in the middle broken up. So because it looks like a lot of them are no longer there.

Jack: Here's a better angle directly from on top. And to show this is gonna be.

Cristina: A perfect circle like it was once upon a time.

Jack: Mm. Mm. Yes. Yes, it was.

Cristina: Why? Why don't they want to fix that? That's so cool.

Jack: They can't touch it. No, it's ancient.

Cristina: No, they should. They should definitely. Oh, my gosh. That's also part of it.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Because I thought they were all separate stone doors or whatever you want to call it. Man, I wish we knew what the middle part would have looked like. I'm guessing it would have been similar, but it's hard to tell now because it's. It's so. It's pretty gone. Just the outside layers more together.

Jack: Pretty interesting, right?

Cristina: Yeah. Gates.

Jack: It looks like a bunch of gates put together.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So is that the case?

Cristina: Yes. No. I don't know. Yeah.

Jack: You think it's a bunch of gates stacked together.

Cristina: But who would that be for the shadow realm?

Jack: There's observations that must be made about this in the first place.

Cristina: Like where's he located?

Jack: Fair enough. Let us go all the way to the beginning and talk some rough details. Right. First again seeking space anomalies and space time disturbances. We get here and I got here because I found a bunch of weird stories which we'll get into. But it led us to Salisbury Plain in Wiltshire, England. That's where Stonehenge is. Had you asked me where this was, I would have never in a million years known. I would have thought one of these random countries or people yodel or some s***, ya know. Okay, now make a random guess at when this was built. We're gonna start where it matters.

Cristina: Where did it start? I don't know. It has to really. It's. Sure. I'm sure it's related to the sea people somehow. But like I can't pinpoint it.

Jack: Put random year on it.

Cristina: The. The year Jesus was born.

Jack: That's the year one.

Cristina: Okay. Year one.

Jack: No, way longer ago. This is the year 3000 BC. Pretty holy s*** kind of amounts of time back. Yes, let's talk details. 72 stones fill the outer circle. In the complete version, if you fill it out and you create a design that is perfect and flawless without any stones missing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: 72 stones fill the outside. It is in fact a full circle.

Cristina: Okay. Was the inside supposed to be the same though?

Jack: 15 arcs would form out of these 72 stones. That's two up one over every time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: 15 arcs will form the 16 sort of doorways. Like you said, they all look like gates. Yes, specifically like Shinto gates. They all have that same kind of flat top to very stable side entrances or whatever.

Cristina: This has to do with the Shadow Realm people. That's not my new guess, but. Okay, continue though, right?

Jack: Like there's something to it too specific going on here. Now, more importantly, and where my fixation rests, here where the most important. Again, why first? What the h***? Fifteen. I don't think those are games. Not the 15 on the outside. Right.

Cristina: What's in the middle?

Jack: In the middle there are five and those are not connected. The ones on the outside creating the sphere or not sphere, but circle.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Are all connected. They all share. Each one vertical shares two horizontal and that continues all the way around.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But in the middle, each one arc is formed of three parts directly. They don't connect. They are set into a sort of horseshoe formation.

Cristina: Okay, and you said. How many of them are there?

Jack: Five would complete the sort of primary inside part.

Cristina: And that's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. And then there's just an open space in the middle yes.

Jack: Now, do you remember what you saw in the other image I showed you? It was a circle. With what.

Cristina: The first image?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: The very first image was a circle with two lines coming out of it.

Jack: Right. Is that something those two lines, they're important. That you saw were connecting. I mean, think about what you're looking at. Here's Stonehenge in the middle. There's a giant circle surrounding Stonehenge. There's two lines shooting right out of Stonehenge. I'll shrink this. Maybe you get a better view of what's going on.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. Oh, wow. Stones. There's more gays.

Jack: Those two lines are engraved in the ground and those two lines connect directly to the river.

Cristina: What's for.

Jack: That's not the important part. It's not even that they line up and did they connect to the river. It's what they line up with. What they line up with the summer and winter solstices.

Cristina: Yeah. That's why people watch that when it happens. People just live stream.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Watch it.

Jack: Now let's think about this real quick because you know of something else that fits both the suits we're talking about right now?

Cristina: That's when the spirits are easily come out. Right. Is that it? I don't know. Close like.

Jack: Yes, close like. Do you remember something familiar directly connected the two solstices with two of them? Yes. I can give you the reminder if you need it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But if you can remember.

Cristina: It's not that what I said. No, it's relating to the two solstice. I'm not sure.

Jack: Okay, so if you remember, a long time ago, we were talking about El Castillo created by the earth gods, which is essentially a temple where the very entry of the temple is lined up with the autumn.

Cristina: But that was also because we thought it was a gate.

Jack: It was a gate. It was a gate to the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: And to Mount Cuff.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Think about the shape you saw and the fact that this one we're looking at is not lined up to autumn and spring, but rather to summer and winter. And it looks like a what?

Cristina: A pyramid?

Jack: Like a pyramid.

Cristina: Oh, I thought you were talking about the other one. Oh, that. What does that look like?

Jack: Yes, the one we're talking about right now. The giant circle surrounding Stonehenge is very different than the sort of pyramid requirements to reach the Shadow Realm. Pyramids seem to reach the Shadow Realm. We see mountains, we see pyramids. The Shadow Realm. But circles seem to be associated with what?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: You were just talking about it. What the h*** do you mean fairies?

Cristina: Fairies. Okay.

Jack: Circles and fairies. I don't know why, but the geometry says circles and fairies and pyramids.

Cristina: In the shadow realm, pyramids and the.

Jack: Shadow pyramids always either connect to the shadow room or teleportation. Okay, we don't have pyramids leading us to the fairies. Okay, but circles always have the portals that take us to the fairies.

Cristina: Mm. But it doesn't take us to the fairies.

Jack: It takes the fairies to us. Yes, but it's a way. It's a doorway.

Cristina: Yes, but only for them.

Jack: Point is that we see fairies connected with circles and we see djinn connected with pyramids and diamonds and triangles and those kinds of shapes. Okay, so it's just a random pattern. I've been noticing, tossing that in there.

Cristina: Okay, but what about the circles we were seeing. Seeing in that farm?

Jack: Which farm?

Cristina: The farm with the circles that were moving around.

Jack: Yes, that's then when the question comes into play. Right.

Cristina: Because that had nothing to do with berries.

Jack: Well, we don't know that. Think about the fact that we saw both a square in the ground.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which, when you funnel it becomes a pyramid and a circle. Both of them were at that ranch.

Cristina: That's very strange.

Jack: Yes. It wasn't one. It was both. A circle in a triangle.

Cristina: You think, together.

Jack: The same kind of sort of indentation in the ground.

Cristina: But it's different time periods. So it wasn't like they were hanging out at the same time together or anything.

Jack: It's just.

Cristina: It's the random.

Jack: It's the best spot to do it because of the activity there.

Cristina: Yeah, but this is. This is probably 100 fairy release.

Jack: This is 100 fairy.

Cristina: Okay, now or not 100.

Jack: I wouldn't say 100 fairy.

Cristina: Because other things pop up.

Jack: Everything pops up.

Cristina: Everything.

Jack: It's.

Cristina: It's a hot spot. Like the other things. The other locations.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: We've been talking about.

Jack: Yes, but what you gotta question is then why are there so many similarities? Right. We have the lineup with the solstices, but the opposite too. Instead of autumn and spring, it's winter and summer. So the deviation, immediately something changes. Yeah, because now we're not sharing the same solstices, but we're also not sharing where we're going. Something about that alignment connects directly to either the shadow realm or the fairy Elfame. Fascinating. Just a bit of information we've uncovered.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Some sort of something means that spring and autumn, Shadow, summer and winter. Elfame. I don't know how. No, I don't know what. How this connects. But that seems to be the case.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: For whatever reason, very random observation. But throwing it out there, something we know now, maybe it'll connect in the future.

Cristina: Yeah, in the future.

Jack: You know, just saying it out loud. Maybe somebody tells us something. The message like, hey, what about the. What the.

Cristina: And then it's like, oh, how did we not notice?

Jack: How do we not notice? So something about lining up does matter.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And you have to line up with the sun, the way the sun is tossing energy in your way. And how you're using the energy creates some sort of a riff.

Cristina: Yes, but the sun is just very powerful thing that everyone's figured out how to use. Besides us.

Jack: Besides us.

Cristina: I mean, we're figuring it out, but, like, we're not. Like, compared to the Egyptians in the ancient time with their pyramids, like, come on.

Jack: Yeah. No, we're definitely kind of whack. But maybe they took this long.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We don't know. Like, it's. We don't know at what point they were at what. And, like, also, all of them got cheated. They got extra. Not cheated. But they got to cheat.

Cristina: They got to cheat.

Jack: Yeah, we can't compete with that. They got.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They themselves are like, oh, yeah, they. Something helped us. Yeah, like, come on, bro. What's helping us? But then again, everybody feel like, oh, we're taking technology from the aliens.

Cristina: Yes, we are cheating too.

Jack: Then we suck.

Cristina: Then we thought, yeah, if everyone cheated.

Jack: Guys, look, let's say we're not cheating and we're doing it all on our own. Let's just. Let's take that credit. Because we have to say we're cheating. Yeah, if we gotta say we're cheating, we're bad about cheating. Come on, man. Come on, man. If we're just bad, then we're not bad. We're amazing. We're doing it on our own.

Cristina: We are really good. Because it's not us. It's these people who are good at hiding it. Like, we know there's the technology that people have that are teleportation. We know that's there. We have. We don't have it. But there's humans that do have it.

Jack: That we came up with.

Cristina: Those humans came, like, in the farm. They figured it out in the farm. Yeah, Scientists. They're humans who can do it.

Jack: Yeah. Without the question is without alien help.

Cristina: Well, with alien help by, like, they were investigating the weirdness, and that helped them.

Jack: Yeah, fair enough. That's usually how it goes. Right? It's science.

Cristina: And now they can live in space and we have no idea about it because we're not one of them.

Jack: That's f****** nuts. Right? The fact that they. Oh man. It's so nut. But this is kind of the same s***. Right? This is just way up there.

Cristina: Tech. Yes.

Jack: And then here's the thing. Here's the f****** thing. That's craziest. We've heard a thousand times that technology sufficiently enough advanced just seems like magic.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: God. Could that not be more true the more you dig deep. This just looks like lines in the freaking. But think about everything. This is a transmutation circle of sorts. That's all it is. It's channeling energy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that energy is lined up with the solstices. We've seen this before. El Castillo has the stairs completely lined up with the doorway in a slightly variation. Open so that it's tighter towards the door, more open towards the base. And then the walkway itself continues that expansion. Then has a little bubble and then spreads out. So it is self is in the form of a transmutation. The field that they designed around it. Transmutation.

Cristina: And the steps are weird too, aren't they? Like they're really big or something.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: All of it for humans.

Jack: Yeah. The steps are abnormally large and in odd patterns. It's like everything is designed with these sort of geometric shapes in mind. All of it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But when it's a gate or you go somewhere that already has a shape. Someplace tall enough that already has a very triangular shape.

Cristina: Talk about a mountain.

Jack: A mountain. How would you compensate for the mountain if you wanted to make a fairy gate? Because now we can differentiate. We know what a shadow gate looks like. It's some sort of a Shinto fairy gate.

Cristina: I guess so. But like the one in the house. What did that one look like? If we can picture what the inside of the house looked like.

Jack: It was. There's. That's the most f***** problem. We have no idea which side she was inviting in. We assumed Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: But it could have been either or and both. Because there was no description to anything. It was an empty room. There was just a little shrine area in the corner. And the hooks. That's it. Nothing more. No description. I have no idea what she could have been doing. But the house itself was a giant shape.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In this same case. It's the same idea. It's a bunch of structure surrounding some kind of more important center. Like the seance room. This pattern representing itself again. And it looks too obviously like a gate here though.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But now 15 doorways. I don't think they were doorways. Maybe something else, some help channeling.

Cristina: But five doorways?

Jack: At least five doors. That brings up a problem. Why five doorways?

Cristina: So, okay, you think it should just be one doorway?

Jack: It should be three. Well, it should be two, depending on where you are. Unless it's multiple doorways, the same realms. It's not like a realm doorway as much as it is like, well, that one goes to the Shadow Realm here. That one goes to Shadow over there. That one goes to Elfame. Those two go to other parts of Earth Realm, you know, because there's five and you're already in earthrealm. Do you see? Okay, so there's five destinations. You'd only have two other realms to go to. So they aren't realm portals directly. Unless they are they, you know, more than one repetition. It could just be like Mount Kaf goes here, and this is Mount Olympus and this is Athos.

Cristina: That's if it's ferry related. It has more to do with what's on the other side. Like, they're not all coming here through the same place.

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: Well, the people that are living in the ferry place, if the humans there, I guess. Humans?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: They're not in. Why are they going through one gate into here? Wouldn't they go like a bunch of different places? Like, I don't know, like if you and a friend from Korea want to take a gate to, I don't know, gta. You just. You, you do it where you're at, but you still meet in the same spot.

Jack: I understand what you mean. I understand what you mean. So she's Korea, I'm here. We both go in through our gates and we're going to like, Las Vegas.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we both just pop up in Las Vegas. But there's two different doorways. So there's the Korea doorway and there's my doorway.

Cristina: Yeah. Because I don't know what the Parry world works like, but, like, if it's.

Jack: Like that, if it's another layer, then yes. And what this is showing us is that that argument holds more water. Because why can't they just pop up? Why do you need a door? We need a door to get to you. Why do you have a you made door? You wouldn't need to make a door.

Cristina: Well, they've always needed a way in.

Jack: Which also explains the seeing of the. Because we already know that there are the fairy forts that are made by fairies, which have the grass, the trees, circles.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then one tree in the center, it's a wall. Of trees. Perfectly. Then an empty grove in the middle with one tree in the center. And all of them look identical. And then the Mad Maid fairy forts that we just craft around an empty field. And then boom, a tree shows up in the middle following the same idea.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. I don't think they need something to get.

Jack: They've always needed some sort of a path. Which means they can't just hit a button and show up.

Cristina: But whatever they. When they do make a path here, there's no way for us to use that path. Which besides the necromancers, who's figured out. But they really can't go in it either. They just.

Jack: They have another way.

Cristina: They have another way.

Jack: Yeah, but here is the thing. Think about what you just described and tell me how is that any different than a Shinto gate?

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: From over there, you can come over here. What happens if you walk in through a Shinto gate on this side?

Cristina: Go to Shadow?

Jack: Since when?

Cristina: Oh, not us.

Jack: No, Nobody. Nobody goes in through a Shinto gate and goes to the Shadow Room. It's a one way gate.

Cristina: It's a one way gate too. Yes, that's true. Okay.

Jack: They're both just one way gate. So you can only come from that side, this way. You can't go from this way, that side.

Cristina: Well, they may. They maybe can.

Jack: As far as we know, we can't go through it.

Cristina: Yes, but they could probably use those gates back.

Jack: Yeah, but I was only kind of answering to the fact that you said it looks like a one way gate.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So.

Jack: Yeah, I could totally. Yeah. I don't know if you want to argue your own point. Sure. Yeah. My point was.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If it is a one way gate, how is that any less one way than a Shadow Realm gate where they can only come in?

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: You know. Yeah. It's exactly the same idea. So there's too many similarities here to ignore. Now let's break apart some of these details. Other than the size and the fact that we got five doorways, which brings up a thousand questions. I hope it's more than one destination in the same realm. Because then I'm confused about. Then what the h*** are the other three doorways? Because, okay. Elfame and Shadow. And then what were the Norse people closer to it? And it was closer to seven. They had five or seven or nine.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: If there are two doorways that are purely different destinations and the other three are supposed to be different destinations, then. Holy. But again, it could most likely just be like Earthrealm Destination 1, Earthrealm Destination 2, and Shadow Realm Destination 1, Shadow Realm Destination 2, and Alfame. Or all elfame destinations. You know, it could just be whatever. Who knows?

Cristina: Yeah. And be impossible to know.

Jack: Yeah. The lines coming from the structure, the ones lined up with the solstice, are called the avenue.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Just giving that information if you feel it's relevant. It consists of groves and connecting lines, and they connect to the nearby river near Stonehenge. Now, where I landed here initially was looking for disturbances and things. I did find weird disturbances and things. And you dive into these reported oddities. You would find reported oddities very quickly. This is when temperatures drop suddenly in climate. You just go ahead and go into the Weather Channel, find a location just like, okay, where. Where have there been abnormal spikes that you guys have been like, huh? And then there'll be weird registrations, and you can like, oh, what year was this? Or whatever. Now, when you do that, you can find consistent spots of weird kind of activity like that. And then if you go and find. Sometimes it's nothing. 99% of the time, it's nothing. It's like, well, you're in a weird hole that you can't really tell in the map. And so wind always works this way here. And so there's an updraft that always sends all the hot air up, and then this causes all the cold air down. So it's abnormally cold here always.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's like, okay, yeah, that makes sense. But sometimes you're in a place where that shouldn't be happening. Like a giant empty field in the middle of nowhere. There should be no cold air just suddenly collecting different than the surrounding areas.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So when that does happen, maybe you.

Cristina: Look into it and also what's happening.

Jack: Yeah. And so you look into the fact that, like, holy. So this place is just a giant cold spot place, and it's already Stonehenge.

Cristina: That's pretty strange.

Jack: I got here through the cold, and then I'm like, holy. Really?

Cristina: No, we got there through the cold.

Jack: I got there through the cold. I wasn't like, oh, Stonehenge. How weird is this place? It's like, it's Stonehenge, and we're just weird people who. It was probably really easy to build, and we're just like, What a mystery. Except, d***. Okay. Like, everything was justified the deeper you dig. Yeah, fair enough. Everybody was right. It's weird. Weird. It's strange.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I was hypocrite. I'm like, everybody's an idiot and easily Impressed. And we could have probably built this easily. It was like definitely. It's not about that. We could have definitely 1000% have built it. That's not the point. It's what it looks like, where it is and why. That's where it's like, oh f***. Yeah, we could have built it. But why did we build it? Why, why did we built it? So the legends that got me here initially there was a story about the devil that bought these stones from a woman.

Cristina: The devil somewhere.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That bought these stones from a woman and he bought the stones in Ireland and he brought these stones from Ireland and he took these stones and he placed them here and he was to humiliate the woman. Salisbury Plains, by the way, is the part in England where it is Salisbury Plains in England. So he puts them there, positions him and he's like, hahaha, nobody's ever gonna know why these are here. Yeah, she's never gonna, she's gonna tell everybody. Oh, he tricks me and he put them there and nobody's ever gonna believe her. And the people who do find these are never gonna know why they're here and it's gonna be ridiculous. And hahaha. That's like a real folklore story. I don't understand sort of the premise of it, but yeah, like, the devil tricked her. It's probably some sort of like money moral story. Don't give your money to the devil because going to humiliate you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or some like that.

Cristina: That works. Sure.

Jack: Now, dancing stones, there were some ballerinas or something. Giants. Because of the area where. And keep in mind the area we're talking about is England. So we're right next to Ireland, right next to like the northern part of Europe where we're getting like weird fringe and like we got the, the Vikings up there and crap like that. So giants. Giants.

Cristina: Do they mean giants as in giant giants?

Jack: They mean tall giants. Not as the right. Nephilim. Giants.

Cristina: Okay, just checking.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: But also Nephilim were huge too. That they could be both sizes according to some. So whatever the case might be. But giants the words.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so that these stones were actually giant ballerinas dancing that had been petrified suddenly. And so that's what it looks like. They were in the middle of choreography.

Cristina: And then something just scared them.

Jack: Something not scared them, petrified. Turn them to stone.

Cristina: Turn them to stone. Oh, okay. Was it Medusa? Okay.

Jack: Don't know.

Cristina: What a weird story.

Jack: Another story is that they were placed there by deities or something and had Healing properties, you know, basically.

Cristina: I'm sure. Sure.

Jack: That's the obvious one, right? Yeah, I see. I like. I don't like the duh. But then I came across a sentence where I was like, okay, because. Because that. To that point, I'm like, okay, maybe there's cold spots and stone change, but.

Cristina: Like, there's nothing there.

Jack: This is stupid. Yeah. Like, it's getting pretty dumb. There's nothing. And you look at these stories deeper, you dive into any of them, and it's like, you guys are crazy. There's no basis here for anything. It doesn't connect anything. It doesn't make sense. It's nonsense. It's nonsense. It's legit folklore.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Until the title of one story, I didn't even have to jump into story yet. It said the fairy Stone, which just justified so many things I already had in my mind.

Cristina: The Fairy Stone.

Jack: Yeah. I already looked at these and I'm like, I see what this is. And I'm already like, yeah, exactly. And I'm like, this circle. Huh? I see what this is. I see a gate. I see fairies, you know?

Cristina: Yeah, I see.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. It's all there. I see weird things. And then this person's like, the Fairy Stone.

Cristina: I'm like, oh, that makes sense. Yeah. Okay, but say more interesting.

Jack: So this local legend was basically that fairies built this place, and it literally. Literally. The legend is not me adding any sauce to this, that it serves as a portal to the fairy realm and other realms.

Cristina: And other realms.

Jack: Yeah. But okay, it's. It could just be multiple destinations in one room. It doesn't say each story is a different realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So.

Cristina: Yeah, I'm thinking that's exactly what we thought, though.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah, that's crazy.

Jack: Now this 100% serves the fact that people have seen the weirdest s*** here too.

Cristina: Bigfoot, I don't know. Like what?

Jack: No, like werewolves.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: But when you see a werewolf in the middle of nowhere, you're not really seeing a werewolf. You're seeing something that kind of looks like a werewolf. You're seeing, like, a wet shudder and dingo, you know, it's the spot where you would see that, which the theory is, then something must have happened here longer ago from this point that made this the viable spot for this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It must be so long ago that it predates any of our ability to track recorded records and that we have to find, like, tracking down the Aliasians and, like, finding out about Loi Shreds. A little tiny sliver of a mention somewhere Must exist. About that, about this spot. Something must have happened here.

Cristina: It was what it is. Before the stones.

Jack: Yes, before the stones. And we're talking that you guys have a area that seems to connect to multiple points from one place. The amount of entered. There must be something. There must be a lot of some things in shred. Just a tiny sliver. But a thousand times, because enough people would have known about however much death took place to make that work. I believe that's trackable. I believe that must be incredibly trackable. We just don't have this, the context of philosophy, the sort of thought tools to be like, if I see it here, then I can apply that logic over there. But you have five portals in one location that go to different destiny. It doesn't matter how many. They could all be on Earth. You have five portals in one destination. Bare minimum. If every doorway is a portal, how many people died to make it work?

Cristina: How many people died?

Jack: Do you see why it couldn't be? I don't think it could be. I don't think they could all be doorways. And also like, what?

Cristina: No, it couldn't be.

Jack: There must be some channeling nature to them.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know how, but like.

Jack: Because they're also connected. There's something weird there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't understand the design for that.

Cristina: But it makes sense in the way that the house makes sense. Like she did so much crazy things that look like nonsense. But it made it work. We don't need to know what it is, but obviously it takes a lot of whatever.

Jack: Yes, it's random things we know about this place. It only works twice a year.

Cristina: What do you mean works?

Jack: It only works. These gates only work twice a year.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: During autumn, during summer solstice and during winter solstice. Yeah, so that's an interesting point. It's null and void, easy to keep track of if you have enemies on the other side. Only once a year do you post anybody to watch, you know, trade happens only once a year. Is this a hotspot? Which brings up an interesting point. It is suggested that it is also a trade center. It has resemblances to other trade centers from other cultures. So that it is a trade center of sorts. Now, if we had people from the Shadow Realm trading with people from Earth Realm. Oh, were we also trading with people from Elfame? Because if we're finding that they need gates and we are finding evidence here and there scarcely that maybe they are just another layer. They might be higher up than us, but they are still equal.

Cristina: I don't know. That doesn't make sense to me. I don't know. I always imagine that there's so much above.

Jack: Well, they wouldn't trade with us per se as much as like, volition. The Alicians do you see?

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: And then military action makes a lot of sense, which then takes into account that what we are interpreting as Firewalls. Yes, firewalls. But even within our own discussion, the firewalls are soldiers of sorts.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: And like. Well, the Alicians are a problem and they have other military. Just like in current day, for us, we have enemies and we position ourselves tactically around them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we're like, you move weird, we move weirder. So don't move weird. Look at where we are. Maybe that's really the move here when we. Because think about. We know the story very vividly. There starts to be a move, a push towards the Jesus project. And suddenly the people of Elfhame show up and the elves are like, okay, our job has begun. You know, as soon as Alexander begins his role. And we start seeing the motions from Jehovah and we start to see the parts in motion to kind of create Jesus, which is about 150 to 200 years. Alexander starts about 300 years back. That's the same time the way Hermes is starting to kick up his whatever, most important project.

Cristina: When do we see the fairies?

Jack: The fairies start about 300 years, which is the same point we get to Alexander. That's coinciding. That was the most important point of that episode. But it just so all happens to line up there.

Jack: Maybe it was. Oh, f***. They started to move weird. Mobilize the soldiers.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, the people of Elfame started to do whatever, you know, their nuclear project has begun. Okay. Let's make sure they know where we're. That we're here. So, you know, put some elves here, put some elves there, put some elves over here and they'll know. Make sure all their people are in check so that they remember who we are.

Cristina: Yes, but not us.

Jack: Not us. The people from Elfhame. Specifically, Mab. Giving directions.

Cristina: No, I'm saying, like, they're not watching over us. The humans here, we're watching over.

Jack: They're watching the people of Elfame. Yeah, the elves are watching the people of Elfhame.

Cristina: The elves are watching the people from Elfhame.

Jack: Yeah. Trying to keep them in check. Or that was a point.

Cristina: Alfame is where they go.

Jack: I mean, my bad. The Alicians.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: My Bad. The elves are watching the Alicians.

Cristina: Yeah. Yes. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: The elves were watching the Elysians. That's what I meant to say.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. Okay, that makes sense.

Jack: So their whole purpose was that they.

Cristina: Come and watch, they sing the weird.

Jack: Stuff, and then Jesus, they see that the Elysians start the ball rolling for the Jesus Christ project. That really got out of hand to begin with for everybody.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Which, like, fair. Okay, let's give Mab some credit if the image that's building is accurate. The same way that we give Jehovah credit for telling Lucifer, like, calm the f*** down. You're gonna kill them all.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That same logic is ultimately what Mabsaw. And we're gonna say that Jehovah was so cocky, he thought he was equal the same way Lucifer did.

Cristina: Oh, right. Yeah.

Jack: Jehovah's sin is the same sin that he judged Lucifer for. I know. Just as much. But, like, d***, dude. Ma' am saw it coming, bro.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: She was trying to stop it, and now here we are. Jesus is out there. You did it. Yeah, she tried.

Cristina: And the days are coming, and he's gonna come back, and. Yeah, whatever.

Jack: She knew you'd start the apocalypse, homie. Yeah, she knew. And you're like, nah, Lucifer's gonna do it. And it's like, nah. She's like, nah, you're gonna do it.

Cristina: And he did it.

Jack: Funny enough, all the evidence tells us that she somehow ended up in the creation of everything beneath her by creating Yalda, who then created everything beneath him. So, like, that's her fault. Whatever is gonna end her universe, too, is her fault.

Cristina: And.

Jack: And somebody up there was like, don't do this. This is stupid. You're gonna kill us all. And then she did anyways, and now she's trying to control it in her.

Cristina: Creature, her creations created something. Who created something.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That's gonna destroy it all.

Jack: Yeah. It's nobody's fault, but everybody's fault.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Right. This is ultimately what's happening.

Cristina: Turtles all the way down.

Jack: It turtles all the way down. It always turtles all the f****** way down. It's absurd. It's so absurd that we. It doesn't matter where we look, if you have the context to look. So I'm gonna give you the details that don't matter because the puzzle was too obvious. Seeing the shape from the outside.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We're too informed. We looked at it. We're like, I know what this is.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We both saw the same f****** thing. You didn't need s*** else.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You just saw the circle in the field. You're like fairies and you're like, the gate. That's a gate. That's only a gate. And then I tell you it's 3,000 years earlier and you're like, oh, it's just a primitive version of the same thing. That one's made of stone and this one is made of poles. It's the same f****** thing. Time changed how it looked. Yeah, that's it. That means Jesus didn't invent the gate. Point number one.

Cristina: No, he was taught about the gate, I think.

Jack: By who? Because he taught a bunch of people a bunch of random s***. You're totally right.

Cristina: That's how I know about the stones in the shadow realm, man.

Jack: He has a rat in there.

Cristina: I don't. I has to be. It has. It was too, too easy. I understand he's probably like Santa Claus that he can sense things, but d***. But like day and a half easy.

Jack: A day and a half in a jumbled mess. Get the out of here now. Dude, it's too easy. He showed up on the other side and somebody's like, follow me, I'll show you. Yes, I would love to see the movie on that. That must be the most epic movie. Jesus, right? Just pops up. He just experienced the movie begins at the most horrible moment of the crucifixion. Great scene, right? Super dark, super horrible. Maybe like five minutes of it happening. Super horror. And then he dies. And then darkness. We hear crying in the background. Whatever, you know, old Israeli music or whatever is gonna kick in. And then a heartbeat. And then. And then he just like, he starts to panic. And then he opens his eyes and. Okay, now he's. He's looking around. He's looking around. Then he just sees something. A. Something's there. He doesn't know what the f*** it is. Kind of looks like a person. Kind of looks like a silhouette. He can't make out what it is. Shadowy looking, like, what. What is this ambiguous thing? And that person Sundays, we have two days. Follow me. Best intro ever.

Cristina: I don't know if the time works the same over there either.

Jack: Exactly. Oh, my God. Maybe it's less. Maybe it's more. No, it's probably more. Who knows? You're totally right. He could have been over there for a super long time.

Cristina: Yeah, we don't know.

Jack: Crazy a** adventure.

Cristina: It's just here. It was two days.

Jack: Yeah. Oh, I never thought about that. Interesting. I like that. Yeah, because it is weird over there.

Cristina: It's weird. So we don't know. And also he Got those stones. Too easy.

Jack: Too easy. Could have been forever. Had to be.

Cristina: Right now he's working with the shadow realm creatures. Like, there has to be a leader that decided this was a good idea.

Jack: Did it Safer to work with Jesus. Yeah, I don't even know. Anyways. Anyways. Going through a bunch of crap. Weirdly enough, I do find a direct mention to this in text. Weird. So in 1136 AD, a man named Geoffrey of Monmouth claimed be very ready for the following sentence. Because this is the trippiest part. This confuses the entire plot that we've devised here because what he says is too on the nose. And then it's like, oh, s***. He specifically and literally puts into writing what? Merlin did this. He did this thousands of years ago. He constructed Stonehenge. Literally, it goes. He constructs the stonehead hundreds of years prior by transporting stones collected near and in Ireland to where they rest now. Now, there's too much accurate information going on there. There's too much accurate information with the devil story.

Cristina: And because I could have been like, fairy, like, talking crap about him.

Jack: Yes. You see the painting that they immediately made, the devil now suddenly made sense because of how they like the twist stories.

Cristina: Yeah. He could have stolen those. He stole those stones from fairies.

Jack: Now, locations tells you everything you need to know. Where did the stones come from? Ireland. And where?

Cristina: I already missed it. What did you say?

Jack: The sentence specifically said shocking. Ireland and places near Ireland.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That tells us one important, important location, which is the Isle of Man.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah. Where this fairy garden is, I guess. I don't know what to call it.

Jack: Necromancer built a portal. The power of a fairy portal. That's what we're seeing?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He built a monstrously colossal, incredibly intricate, complicated portal that works to access fairy locations. I don't know. And I don't think it could access shadow realm locations because of the rule that seems to happen naturally that we're observing where all of the shadow realm connections. But our one and only fairy realm connection doesn't have a pyramid in f****** sight.

Cristina: I don't think he has the ability to travel the fairy world because as far as we know, necromancers can travel easily. Easily. But like, they're not in the ferry. They're using it somehow to travel here. Easily.

Jack: Yes. The point, there's a way that they're moving through that space.

Cristina: Yes. So then those would be his portals to probably go into other places here.

Jack: Unless those are his portals to literally go into there while he has other ways to move through again. If this turns out to be just another layer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then what we're thinking is a satellite could literally be him literally being there.

Cristina: In the fairy world.

Jack: In the fairy world, like necromancers are actually getting there.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Because they're another layers or not some inaccessible other location. If they are just another physical layer to us at. And they know how to do that. And the story is a necromancer called Merlin, hundreds of years prior to the writing of the moment, according to the writing, built Stonehenge with stones stolen from fairies.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This is kind of heavily on the nose. I could have guessed half of the story had you asked me, you know, like, that's how on point this is.

Cristina: Yeah. That's kind of crazy.

Jack: If you told me where I'd go find some fairy stones, I would instantaneously say somewhere near Ireland.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: It would have to be the Isle of Man or some kind of place along the coast. The end.

Cristina: Ridiculous. That's great. This is a crazy story.

Jack: This s*** is so on the nose.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So I was kind of blown away by that. And. Yeah. So look, this is another one of those scenarios where there isn't any one thing literally saying that, but all the.

Cristina: Individual parts are like, definitely that.

Jack: Like, what the f*** else could it be?

Cristina: What else could it be? I think that's it.

Jack: Yeah. It's just very old and withered and not used. Or maybe it works at this point, but people go there at the point nothing happens.

Cristina: Well, they wouldn't be able to do anything. Like it would take one of him to. To use it. Like it probably does work.

Jack: How do we know people have been there during the solstice and it does nothing.

Cristina: Why would it do something for them?

Jack: Well, it's possible this is more than just a one way gate. I don't know if it is. Maybe it is that somehow there's just. But there must be a gate that must be one way from here out to somewhere. And if you put two of those next to each other.

Cristina: But you still need to have the knowledge of necromancers.

Jack: Yeah, but so you built it and then what? You don't. You need the knowledge of a necromancer to activate it too?

Cristina: Maybe.

Jack: Fair enough. That could totally be the case. But if you look at this image, you'll notice that there's a bunch of little details that are no longer present. On top of the fact that most of the structure, the outer circle, is broken at Stonehenge.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Do you see? I believe that if this is in fact the transmutation circle. We're looking at a broken transmutation circle. The reason it doesn't work is because it can't channel the energy. It's broken.

Cristina: Okay. And they're never going to fix it because they can't.

Jack: They can't fix it. If they do, then they're ruining this relic. They would have to try to replicate the design elsewhere and see if they can get its function going, which includes all of these small little details made of something called bluestone.

Cristina: What is blue stone?

Jack: It's a kind of stone.

Cristina: Where is that from? Is that from Ireland or something nearby, like those other.

Jack: All the stones are from nearby? Yeah, they're all from like Ireland and like local areas. The whole structure was made like that. But then there's a bunch of different things. Look at north barrel, look at the south barrow. There's a station stone. Station stone. It looked like it was a multi purpose device. There are many theories on what this in fact was. It's not just a calendar. As much as some people are like, oh yeah, it's some sort of energy channeling device or it's some sort of starscope or it's some sort of astrological measurement device or something like there's many. That's the point. It looks like it is all of it. Now let's end this on a very important note. All the stones that are horizontal and all the stones that are little circular ones on the outside are lined up with stars. All of them.

Cristina: You think teleportation to space then?

Jack: Teleportation. Not just the different realms. I think there's five gates. And if one would go to like Mount Ka, and if one would go to somewhere in the shadow realm that El Castillo connected to, then you have three destinations left, Right? That's one in Earth realm, one in Shadow realm. So then you say one wherever the Egyptians went to that somehow people are still connecting to space. Yeah, that's somewhere else. And one wherever the Mayans went to underground and one wherever the Alicians went to.

Cristina: No way. Maybe, I guess. I mean, it's. It's a necromancer. They can do whatever.

Jack: Do whatever. All these, these are just random suggestions, right? They could be any. You could assign any random 5. If a necromancer built this, which is.

Cristina: The accusation, which makes a little sense. I don't know.

Jack: I think that makes the most sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like, then you got these five doorways. What five evened out things could we assign to those? They must go to five sort of equal places. And if it's realms, then we'd only have two, because you're already in one.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Unless there's repetition doesn't matter. And if repetition doesn't matter, we can have that many doorways, we can have every single one of those doorways could actually be one. Maybe they make total sense. You know, maybe it's like three next to each other. Like, this one goes to that part, or if that one goes to this part Earth, this one goes to that part Earth. And those four over there in a row are all the Shadow Realm. Those seven are this place. And this goes. You know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Could easily be something like that. And in the case like that, if, let's say a person from Nordic background walked really, really far, landed in this place, and was explained that. Well, this one goes to some people who live underwater. And this one goes to some people who are really good working underground. And this one goes to some people who are really good at working in the skies. Oh, and also the people from the skies work with really good energy, and the people over here work with really great genetics and the people over there. And so you start to explain this system. And slowly but surely, this Nordic person is like, those three are up, but they're different kinds of up. That's down.

Cristina: Saying that's what made their legends.

Jack: It kind of starts to paint an interesting picture. Right.

Cristina: But how many do they have? Don't they have 7?

Jack: 5? 7 or 9?

Cristina: 5, 7 or 9. Oh.

Jack: Depending on which branch of their tradition. You pull from five, seven or nine.

Cristina: But it's impossible to tell what's the original.

Jack: Yeah. And here we have five, which is one of those.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're just throwing, you know, spitballing the way we do. Love just so happens to fit many suits.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And I think it's 90% at least. Definitely. It's 100% a gate territory. That's not a question.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Where it goes very related is like 90% the question or the answer. Most likely.

Cristina: Most likely. I would say most likely.

Jack: That's about it. It doesn't seem that there's no. Is the first instance of gates and no associations. Like it's Auto Mountain or some s***.

Cristina: But related to Merlin, man.

Jack: That's a weird one.

Cristina: That's a weird one.

Jack: But also he seems kind of op.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: And this is way before whatever mess.

Cristina: He was in with author.

Jack: Yeah. This dude said, thousands of years ago, this guy made this s***. It's like, whoa, whoa, wait. How do you know Merlin that well, bro? How do you know thousands of years ago.

Cristina: Are there more Moreland stories? Because I thought author was the Merlin story.

Jack: You know what's weird? I have seen, like two or three that are allegedly taking place before. I'm like, okay, so he must be some older legend that got tangled up and turned into Merlin, right?

Cristina: Yeah, like Santa Claus.

Jack: Yeah. So if we follow that, I bet that guy's named Hermes somewhere.

Cristina: No. What if they all go back to.

Jack: Hermes where he's a student, you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or I could trace the line back and he's like, at the Aristotle school.

Cristina: We'll find out that they're all Hermes except for the one student, which is Jesus.

Jack: Yes, that be. That would. That would make so much sense.

Cristina: I would.

Jack: That's the most possible story. It's either a bunch of necromancers that we're slowly gonna uncover. Or two.

Cristina: Or two.

Jack: Or two. The guy who made it and guy who perfected it.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, I don't know.

Jack: Anyways.

Cristina: So crazy.

Jack: This has been Stonehenge, people. This is what I found. All the shapes and weird. Interesting. I didn't focus on those stories as much. Again, there were stories. There were many ghost stories. The basic stories. If you guys want a quick brush up. There's a lot of stories about, you know, phantasms, cold spots. There are again, many werewolves. There are vampire stories that take place there. People visiting it and, like, passing out and having blank marks and blah, blah, blah. From, like, many years ago. Yeah, thousands of years. Not thousands, hundreds of years ago. Medieval times, specifically.

Cristina: Many years ago is fine.

Jack: Yeah, long ago. There is recurring voices. There are moving shadows. But all of this just fits the suit of a place with high disturbances.

Cristina: Yes. Any time disturbances, though? You never mentioned that.

Jack: No. So interesting enough, there doesn't seem to be any other than echoes of people. There doesn't seem people slipping in and out of time. People being there for a couple of minutes and it seeming longer or being there really long and assuming a couple of minutes. Or seeing things that should be out of time moving around them. Other than what we would classify as a ghost echo.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which are a plethora, every variation of every version of ghosts. And then what we would call phantasms and what we would call spirits, which are most likely just gin and creatures from the chaperone. All of those. Yes.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Time distortions. No. But based on paranormal activity in general, we have our suspected space time anomaly or disturbance, which then literally brought us to the right conclusion of something weird is going on here.

Cristina: Interesting. And then this place might relate to Merlin.

Jack: To Merlin. Of all people. It's interesting how we keep coming back to the same kind of.

Cristina: It's either him or Hermes. And if they're the same, that'd be funny.

Jack: That'd be funny. More names for the same guy. He just keeps doing it. Which would explain why Jesus did the same thing. And then it brings up an interesting point. That was loi training to be the same because there seems to be many people who took that name. Or is it just last name?

Cristina: I don't know. No, I think it's. No, I don't know. I don't know anymore. It might all be one person. I don't know. That's complicated.

Jack: Only one person has ever existed.

Cristina: It's three people. No, it's one person. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. Anyways, if you guys have any information, hit us up on our socials and tell us what you discover on your searches to better information and understanding. And you can do that on all our socials at just convopod, on TikTok, on X, on Facebook, not on YouTube, but Instagram.

Cristina: And. Yeah. Whoa. That's crazy. I mean, they were, like, doing it slowly.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: They just got tired of it.

Jack: Yeah. They slowly were like, let's not take one at a time.

Cristina: Take the whole thing. That's so wild. I took that so long. But. Okay, well, remember to subscribe, rate, and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And Word of God mouth, it's very important to tell people that we're getting to the bottom and grounding the world's most absurd and baffling ideals.

Cristina: Very baffling.

Jack: Very.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: By. Okay, Random thing we just saw and noticed and thought about right as we ended.

Cristina: How we didn't notice. We were talking about it. We were so close to it. The. What is it? The Merlin gates and Jesus's Shinto gates. We're wondering who taught Jesus all of.

Jack: Everything, especially how he gets these gates.

Cristina: How he got these gates, how did Jesus do it?

Jack: And then we see that the Shinto gates are an identical design to Merlin's gates used at Stonehenge. Just a more primitive version at stonehenge, but about 3,000 years older.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Shock. I wonder who taught Jesus.

Cristina: Huh? Huh?

Jack: Just tossing that at the end. Anyways, thanks for listening.

Cristina: Thank you. Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo, and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

May 28, 2022

Rambling 177: Tying Up Listeners

May 28, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

Can a knife make any situation scary? What is the definition of alien? And what’s the best way to lasso someone? The duo goes into detail explaining how to best tie up new listeners and force them to listen, but it must be accomplished with a rope. Knife is optional.

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Topics Discussed:

Tying Up New Listeners
Perspectives Changing with a Knives
Where Best to Capture a Listener
Time Travel to the 80s
VCR
Fight Club
Simulating a Universe
Aliens
Archive 81 Spoilers
Reptilians

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+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in five, four.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: If you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yeah, so go. Go get a listening partner with a rope.

Cristina: With a rope? Yeah, with a rope.

Jack: With a rope. You go get a listening partner with.

Cristina: A rope really hard.

Jack: Right. Oh, you got to do it from horseback. Red hashtag.

Cristina: I was thinking just lasso stand, like just standing lasso. But there's got to be many ways you can use a rope.

Jack: Use a rope to tie them up.

Cristina: You, like, stop them some other way and then you tie them up after you.

Jack: Oh, that's fair. Because you're not catching them with the rope. You're.

Cristina: You don't have to. I mean, you can. If you can do that. That just seems hard.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Like maybe you trip them, they fall, and then you tie them. I don't know.

Jack: Or. Or here's a total possibility. You have a, like, cartoon style trap with a rope. I guess not cartoon, because the cartoon is basing it on, like, real hunting tricks.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In which you got like a rope thing connects like a tree.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then it's hidden with, like, leaves.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: And they get caught. And that's by the rope.

Cristina: I guess that works.

Jack: But technically it's also by the trap.

Cristina: So is that a trap or. But they're tied up. That's the important thing.

Jack: Yes. That you tied them up so you could get them to listen.

Cristina: Yes. Why? I don't know. I guess that still seems easier than trying to lasso someone.

Jack: Fair. Fair. Look, if you don't have the hand and eye coordination to lasso somebody, because I'm sure that's skill. Like, I couldn't do that. Or maybe it's incredibly easy.

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know. I haven't tried.

Jack: It's astoundingly easy.

Cristina: It could be my mind. It's not that easy. Yeah.

Jack: I have no idea how to do it. Like, I can. I kind of can understand the movement that's causing it, though. It's more about maintaining. There must be a part of the rope that they're holding.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That is holding the rest of it steady. Enough that then when he spins it with his wrists and. Or she, I guess. Not sure why cowboy is. Well, I'm just randomly super sexist. But the, you know, cowboy, whatever. Swinging the rope.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There must be a. Like, something he's holding in staying steady. It's a. There's a trick, a way to hold it. I'm assuming.

Cristina: You're assuming.

Jack: I'm assuming.

Cristina: I don't know. Like, maybe it's not that hard. Because if the person's not. Like what? Like, unless you made it obvious that you're gonna rope up this person. Like, you're just swinging it out of nowhere, running towards the person. Yeah. It's probably gonna be difficult.

Jack: No, hold on. Listen. If that happened, if that moment happened and the person starts to panic. No, that person wouldn't panic. They wouldn't. Because they're not gonna believe that's for them. You know, the real honest reaction is this guy's just swinging a rope.

Cristina: Yeah. So most people, or maybe everyone would get caught because, like, no one believes this person with a rope. Even if they were doing sneaky or not so sneaky, they're not gonna think that rope is for them.

Jack: Yeah, they're not. This.

Cristina: Unless you, like, call out their name and you're gonna tell them, I'm gonna tie you up or something.

Jack: Well, no. Okay.

Cristina: That would be the only way.

Jack: If they were at least a little bit paranoid and you call their name.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they look and they see you swinging the rope. That's definitely about them. But now the next question is, am I going to be roped or is this person who said my name just swinging the rope?

Cristina: Yes. But if the person just says, I'm gonna tie you up, that will make it obvious, and then it'll be difficult to tie up the person.

Jack: So this guy trying to rope the other guy is some sort of, like, typical movie villain?

Cristina: I guess. So this. I'm trying to find out how hard it could get, and it seems pretty easy. Unless you obviously say, like, I think this is way easier than I thought. Like, originally I thought roping someone sounds difficult, but, like, who expects it? So.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Even if they see it, even if.

Jack: Your skill is mediocre with the rope, actually, it would be pretty easy.

Cristina: Yeah. Because no one would imagine that that's your plan.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Unless you say it. I don't know.

Jack: You'd have to. Okay, so you have to tell them that you're gonna rope them. You should send them a letter and be like, on this day, at this time, at this time, I'M gonna rope you.

Cristina: I don't know if they'll believe that letter, though.

Jack: That's the other problem. You see, they think. They're gonna think you sent a freaking letter. Just a troll.

Cristina: Exactly. And then when they see you, they're thinking, this is a joke. You're not really gonna tie me up to listen to this podcast?

Jack: Isn't it kind of crazy how hard it would be to make this difficult because of just how off the wall the situation is?

Cristina: Yes. I don't know. Like what. What could you do to get someone convinced that you're going to do it? I don't know. Maybe if you had a knife with you, I guess some type of weapon. I don't know. You don't plan to use a weapon, whether it's a knife or gun or whatever it is, but you just have it just, you know, to scare the person, to get them to run.

Jack: Fair, fair, fair, fair. Because after you've got them in fear mode.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And you start swinging the rope, they're like, this guy's. The knife made it. Serious as f***. Yes, I'm going to tie. Because you already showed them. I'm going to hurt you. Even if you're not gonna hurt them. Danger was alerted.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So I guess. Yeah, I guess the difference of the whole situation. If you say anything with a knife, you're suddenly doing something bad.

Cristina: Yes. So that would frighten them and they would run.

Jack: Okay, let's test this out. Then you tell your friend, laughing, I'm gonna beat you up. And then you laugh. Okay. Your friend is like, okay, this is an idiot. Whatever. Now you go to your friend and you say, I'm gonna beat you up. And you're still laughing, except you're holding a knife.

Cristina: Why are you laughing, though?

Jack: So that he knows it's playful. Well, it's playful at the beginning. I'm beat you up. You know, just like a dumb bro joke.

Cristina: Yes, but the point is to get them scared.

Jack: Yeah, I know. So you're not making them scared there. We established that a knife is enough to make the previous situation. So we're trying to see if we apply the knife again without the rope. Without the rope. Is it the knife? That would convince him of the thing.

Cristina: Factually, your friend and you're laughing. I don't think so.

Jack: Yes, but then if you have a knife.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: When you say it to your friend.

Cristina: Laughing without the laugh, why does that.

Jack: With the laugh. The laugh is still there.

Cristina: No, they're your friend. Why would they think you're you laughing? I'm gonna hurt you. Hahaha. With a knife. Like they will think it's a prank or something.

Jack: So the knife didn't change the situation?

Cristina: Well, the laughing is what's ruining.

Jack: No, listen to me, listen to me. The laughing has to stay because when you don't have the knife, the laughing is there.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Yes. I'm gonna beat you up. Hahaha. Without the knife. Because you're just joking with your friend and you're still joking with your friend. The second time when you say it with the knife, you're still joking with him. You're not gonna do anything to your friend.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You say, I'm gonna beat you up, hahaha. While holding the knife.

Cristina: I guess that's scary. I guess.

Jack: Is it scary now? Is it like, oh s***, he's gonna like beat me up and stab me or something?

Cristina: Yeah, I think so.

Jack: So the knife changed it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So can we use this knife to change any situation?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: But I don't know why the laugh has to be there. If you tell your friend, I'm gonna beat you up and you don't laugh, they'll probably not think you're serious.

Jack: Yeah, I know. Because the idea is that we're running an experiment, essentially, and the experiment is in exactly the same conditions with nothing being changed. Can the knife change the perception of the situation?

Cristina: I just don't understand why there's a laughing.

Jack: Because the laughing exists to convince your friend that you're not gonna do anything to him. If you just walk up and deadpan say, I'm gonna beat you up.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Even if that's your friend, he's like, what the f*** did I do to you, bro? Like, you're already scary. First we have to make it so that he is totally convinced you're not gonna hurt him. And then we're gonna do that same run with a knife in your hand and see if it still looks the same way. Like he's.

Cristina: So the laughing equals the rope or something?

Jack: No, the knife is a rope. The knife is not the rope. Nothing is the rope.

Cristina: Because if he sees you with a rope, he wouldn't take you seriously. He'd think it's a joke.

Jack: Yeah, that's what I'm trying to establish.

Cristina: You laughing would be him taking you not serious because he thinks you're joking. So the laugh is the same thing as the joke. The rope, yes.

Jack: And then the knife. Yeah, you're totally right. And then the knife is supposed to change your perception?

Cristina: Yes. Yeah. So yes, the knife does make the.

Jack: Situation worse, I think, for any situation.

Cristina: For any situation. Yeah. Yes, Anyone. For any situation.

Jack: Even if you mean no harm. You. Okay. So in a situation where the knife would naturally exist. Okay. We're in a kitchen.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And your friend is next to you.

Cristina: Okay. It wouldn't work there.

Jack: And you're peeling an apple with a. Apple with. Not an apple peeler, but, you know, like a knife. Not a knife, a regular peeler.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: And you turn to your friend in the kitchen and you say, I'm gonna be up. Hahaha. Okay. He's just. Haha. Okay. It's joking.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now you were peeling the apple with a knife.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Then you turn to your friend and you say, I'm gonna beat you up. Hahaha.

Cristina: I don't think he'll take you serious.

Jack: Yeah. You're still joking. Because even if you're holding the knife right now, there's a knife in the situation we've shown you the knife, it must go off, you know?

Cristina: Yes. But the knife is doing something that your friends do. Yeah. So I think that makes it less scary.

Jack: And yeah. Your friend probably doesn't even notice the knife.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because it's so natural to the environment.

Cristina: Yes. So when you're roping your friend, you shouldn't do it. You'd have a knife in a normal situation. I guess you can't rope them in the kitchen.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: No, but I think you still can probably in the kitchen. Because it would be then odd to have the rope in the kitchen.

Jack: Like. No, no, no. Yeah. It's already weird. It's definitely already weird. So there is some, like, level of oddness to this. But if you had the rope at a like, knot tying class.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Right. Where it would naturally exist.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's just rope and you're learning to make mountains.

Cristina: Okay. That wouldn't scare anyone. Okay.

Jack: Right. And then you, you tell. Tell your friend I'm gonna rope you.

Cristina: Yeah. They'll think you're joking or something.

Jack: They'll think you're joking, right?

Cristina: Yes. But if you had a knife with.

Jack: You now, if you have a. If you have a knife with you in the rope class, in the rope with the rope with. Normally exist.

Cristina: I think people would be scared.

Jack: Yeah, I think so too. Because you. They don't even think. I don't know. Now they're very confused as to why you have. But wouldn't a knife also exist in that class, like kind of normally, maybe?

Cristina: No, like, I think there's a specific type of, like if it's a giant kitchen knife I don't think, you know, it has to be some kind of knife. That would definitely not be there. Like, there probably is a knife, but it's like very specific to ropes.

Jack: Right, Fair enough. Fair enough.

Cristina: So you have this huge sword like knife.

Jack: Yeah, I at no moment thought about this other than just putting a knife in the kitchen. But I guess we can in theory f*** around with the type of knife that we're talking about. So there's certain knives that could change the situation quickly. If you just have a pocket knife, that's. That's kind of sketchy to some degree.

Cristina: Yeah. Like an outside situation. I don't know if in the rope class, but yeah, outside. Yeah.

Jack: Your location makes a total difference because you could be taking a rope class that has naturally a knife.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But you are taking this class in the middle of a city and you're holding a kitchen knife. The knife has nothing to do with that f****** class. That's the wrong f****** knife. This guy has a f****** kitchen knife in this class.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Whoa.

Cristina: They're gonna be scared now if you.

Jack: Have regular rope cutting knife or whatever is used there. They're like, okay, he's just happens to be holding that knife. And a rope.

Cristina: Yes, and a rope. And he's saying he's gonna tie you up. But you think it's a joke.

Jack: But you think it's a joke because everything else is in common.

Cristina: Because then it seems like, okay, yeah, he'll tie me up, but he has the knife, the rope cutting knife to cut the rope after he ties me up.

Jack: So if he did tie me up, but that you would. I don't think your thought would ever get to the point that you're convinced you'd do it.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: Because you're still. We're just still trying to convince you that he's gonna. That he's gonna do it.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. Yeah.

Jack: So holding the right knife now, okay, if you're not. Because if you're in the woods, that's another place where that'd be normal.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I guess, like, both of those things could make total sense.

Cristina: Even a big knife, a big kitchen knife.

Jack: I feel. I feel like survival wise, like, sometimes you just need a knife when you go out to the woods and you're like, well, I can't find my f****** pocket knife. I'll just take a kitchen knife so.

Cristina: That I can cut things. So we need something else. Like, like.

Jack: Well, no, because at that point you could take any knife you have in your house. So any knife makes sense. In the woods? No. You could take a machete into the woods and it makes f****** sense.

Cristina: Can't use a machete. How about a sword that also makes.

Jack: Sense in the woods now a sword in the cloud. Well, no, because anything makes sense out in nature.

Cristina: Not a sword. A sword makes no sense outside of a museum.

Jack: You could swing a sword at a bunch of plants. You can do things with a sword.

Cristina: Weird. That is very weird to see outside. It's just someone walking around with a sword.

Jack: This is your friend, okay?

Cristina: Yes. And this is normal for my friend.

Jack: No, it's not normal for your friend, but they're your friend, so maybe they. That's the only sharp thing they had that maybe they didn't want to dirty their kitchen knives.

Cristina: Okay, so kitchen knives are out. Well, we're sharp stuff. Unless we have something that. Because.

Jack: No, what I'm saying is in the woods, it doesn't matter what knife you take, period.

Cristina: Yeah. So we need something else.

Jack: No, because we're not going to go to the woods because the woods is exactly where it would make sense. Yeah, we're just not going to go to the woods.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. So don't try to tie your friend up in the woods. If you're trying to.

Jack: Don't try to convince. No, we're just trying to convince him he's going to be tied.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Right. That's the main goal. 100% convince our homie.

Cristina: Yes. Get them scared enough to run to make it hard for you to actually tie them up.

Jack: But I guess ultimately what we're trying to do. Right. This is my assumption here that are we trying to make it like you're 100% convinced and that's why it's so granular.

Cristina: 100% convinced of what?

Jack: That they're gonna get tied.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't want you, like 90% and then you start running on 90%. I want to remove every doubt from your mind.

Cristina: Like, no matter what, you're gonna tie them up.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: We're just trying to.

Jack: That's what we're trying to do. Yes. How to do it.

Cristina: How to do it? Well, how you can fail at doing it.

Jack: No, because we're trying to convince you 100%. Right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we got to remove all the things that we can't.

Cristina: Okay, so don't do it in the woods.

Jack: Yeah, that's why.

Cristina: Doing it in the woods. Do it in the woods. That's what I mean.

Jack: No, we can't do it in the woods because the woods helps convince them. It's a Joke.

Cristina: But we're trying to help them. I'm so confused. Who are we trying to help?

Jack: We're trying to help him tie. No, we're trying to help him convince the guy. Then you want to make it crazy hard, so we got to Convince the guy 100% without a doubt, you're gonna be tied.

Cristina: Okay, but why would the listener want that? Wouldn't he want the easy way?

Jack: Yeah, you're totally right.

Cristina: We're trying to come up with ways that will fail him. So we are helping him up in that way. Like, we're telling him he should go to the woods with cutting knife because.

Jack: It would be the easiest.

Cristina: Yes. So we're trying to find every situation that it won't work out, because then.

Jack: They could avoid those situations.

Cristina: But also the situations that it will work out, though. They can do that.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Like, they know.

Jack: Which is definitely take any kind of sharp object into the woods and your friend into the woods and have rope and you can easily tie them. They're never gonna.

Cristina: Yes. And it would work out in the rope class. As long as it's not a kitchen knife. And it can work out in the kitchen. As long as it is a kitchen knife.

Jack: Yes, 100%. But using a knife that isn't a kitchen knife in the kitchen is a bad idea.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because you don't want to tip them off. It's gonna be weird. Right. That's where the pocket knife is. Like, what the f***? You're trying to cut with your pocket knife.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just cutting fruit with your pocket knife. At. In the kitchen.

Cristina: Mm. So we're trying to figure out. Yes. How to make it easier.

Jack: Easier. Well, I want both extremes, kind of and all.

Cristina: Yeah. They could avoid the ones that it's not gonna work out. Like, which one? Where would it not work out? I guess just outside. In the city.

Jack: Yeah. Like, don't be in the city with a knife.

Cristina: With a knife. Because then everyone will run.

Jack: Yeah. Like, you've definitely scared, like, city people spook easy.

Cristina: Yes. You have a rope and a knife. I think just having a rope might. I don't know. That would probably just confuse people. Yeah. The knife. Yeah. Would very much scare everyone away.

Jack: But I think. I think ultimately the best option is the class. Right. Like the class over the. The woods.

Cristina: The rope class.

Jack: Yeah. Because that's the M.O. like, okay. Holding rope.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If we're trying to make a hundred percent accuracy here, I think it's. I mean, you're already in the woods. There's a little bit of the woods.

Cristina: Makes the most sense.

Jack: Well, the wood. The problem with the woods is there's that kind of spooky of, I'm already in the woods. It's kind of dangerous, you know, you.

Cristina: Have that weapon to protect you, whatever it is.

Jack: Well, no, your friend, your homie doesn't.

Cristina: Oh, well, your friend thinks you're protecting them.

Jack: No. But then you just told them, I'm going to tie you up.

Cristina: No. Why do you have to tell them that? Oh, is that how it started?

Jack: Yeah, that's why I thought we were trying to make it as hard as possible on them. Oh, because for whatever reason. Well, that was your plan initially, wasn't it? You were just trying to make it hard. So then I just kind of tried try it. I continued making it harder so you could run at them and scream, I'm gonna tie you up.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: But these are the places you shouldn't do it in that case, because you.

Cristina: Probably shouldn't scream out that you're gonna tie them up. But it's still fun. If you want a challenge, I guess the challenge is more fun. Right.

Jack: So then make it as hard as possible.

Cristina: Exactly. Yeah. So make it as hard as possible.

Jack: So in that case, don't do it in the class and don't do it. Or in the woods. You have to be in the city, and it should be. It can'. It can't be comically big because that's gonna. That's gonna be like. You're f****** kidding, bro.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It has to be sketchy.

Cristina: It has to be sketchy.

Jack: Thus the pocket knife.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like, okay, you had a pocket knife. It's kind of weird. I guess not. It is a pocket knife.

Cristina: But can't the pocket knife cut the rope? Like, are they gonna think, because they're your friend, like, you don't want them to think, oh, you're just gonna tie me up.

Jack: No, I know. Pocket knife, not sketchy. That makes sense. So what a utility knife.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But you really want. What you really want is a switchblade.

Cristina: I don't know. That feels the same as those other two.

Jack: No, because a switchblade is totally impractical to have for any other purpose than.

Cristina: Like, stabbing somebody specifically, what that's for.

Jack: Gets a pointy, like the. A lot of the blade stops it from doing anything but going, like.

Cristina: And it can't rope.

Jack: We could probably cut rope if you tried hard enough.

Cristina: Because you can't feasy. Your friend can't be convinced or think in the back of their mind, like, oh, you could just cut the rope.

Jack: Like, it would take really long.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Unless it's exceptionally sharp.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like, it's definitely. Switchblades are usually for stabbing.

Cristina: That's for stab.

Jack: Yes, it's the stabbing knife.

Cristina: All right. What if they don't know what it is?

Jack: They know. They see the knife and they're just. It's. It. The size is odd.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know?

Cristina: Yeah. You understand what we're looking at?

Jack: Oh, s***. Yes. The f****** box cutter is just a really dangerously sharp knife.

Cristina: It is. Wow.

Jack: And it's, like, so out of place. That's the immediate, like. Oh, what?

Cristina: The box cutter.

Jack: Yo, you pull out a box cutter on somebody, they know you're serious. I forgot about box cutters. That's the instant 100. Oh, knife. I think that could rip through rope easily, too.

Cristina: Yeah, but that's a problem if it rips through.

Jack: No, but you would never think that's for the rope. Oh, that would not cross your mind.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You see the box cut, you're like, what the h***?

Cristina: I don't know. It's like a midget knife. Like, it's very tiny.

Jack: Yeah, no, it's very. And thus, you have more control with. Is extremely dangerous.

Cristina: It doesn't look dangerous.

Jack: No. But anybody who knows, anybody who sees it would know.

Cristina: Okay. What if this friend is the one that does know?

Jack: Where the. Does this friend live? Under a rock?

Cristina: I don't know. I think. Opaku, what was it that you said? A switchblade.

Jack: A switchblade. It looks very stabby.

Cristina: Looks very savvy. Yeah, with a pocket knife.

Jack: See, now, the pocket knife isn't the stabbiest thing. The pocket knife is crazy.

Cristina: It just looks crazy.

Jack: That's the switchblade. No, that's pocket knife is the one next to it.

Cristina: No. What?

Jack: Yeah, that's the pocket knife. The pocket knife is a practical. You carry it for just in case you need a knife situation.

Cristina: Switchblade wins.

Jack: Ok. Yeah, the switchblade is stabby. It's the kind of s*** you just like. You know, you got all leather on. You're swinging a f****** chain in one hand.

Cristina: The box cutter looks like it would hurt, though. But I don't know if you'd instinctively know that it would hurt because it's so short. It's like a midget knife. Unless there's longer versions.

Jack: No, it does. The size of it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Does not matter to how effective.

Cristina: But when you're looking at it. I'm talking about just by looks. You're not.

Jack: If your friend Understands a box cutter. They don't even need to know a lot about knives. Just know that it's a box cutter and how it works.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It doesn't matter that it's small. They're gonna be like, oh f***.

Cristina: But if they don't know about a box cutter, then you have to.

Jack: Well, he knows his friend. So does he does this. Does he know if it's. Or she. Whoever is they. They do they know if their friends know about knives? Just basic surface level depend on that.

Cristina: Then which knife they should have.

Jack: Yes. If they do know about box cutters, go straight to box cutter.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: And you say that now if they don't, then a dangerous looking knife would be the next best thing. Thus enter switchblade.

Cristina: Yes. It just looks crazy now.

Jack: If you have a switchblade. No, I was about to dress the situation and say that they should look all like.

Cristina: They should dress up.

Jack: They should dress up and look like a typical 80s movie thug. You're swinging the rope in one hand like it's a chain.

Cristina: It's more about. You end up confusing them more. The whole point is not to confuse them.

Jack: But listen, you swing in, swing the rope in one hand, then it should.

Cristina: Not be a rope, it should be a chain.

Jack: No, because he's gonna. I guess in theory if you could accomplish. Hey, we're trying to make it as hard as possible.

Cristina: Can you tie up someone with a chain? What's it called?

Jack: You still have to scream, I'm gonna tie you up. Yes, I guess you could tie them up with it. But no, I think it has to be a knife and a rope at this point.

Cristina: Why does it have to be a rope?

Jack: Because I don'. It's just become thematic. Somehow you have to accomplish it.

Cristina: What is it the 80s? You can't do that.

Jack: But listen, the outfit should. Should go towards convincing because you got the switchblade, you got a rope. It should be a chain.

Cristina: It should be a chain.

Jack: Thus being more serious.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which this is for making it harder.

Cristina: Yes. Well, if you look so serious, if you look serious, then wouldn't it make it harder if you have a chain.

Jack: And a would know because the next problem is he's not gonna. But I guess. Yeah.

Cristina: Then he's gonna see you and he thinks you're just ridiculous looking and you're cosplaying or something.

Jack: That's. Yeah, he's gonna think it's a huge joke.

Cristina: Yeah. So you cannot dress like you're in the 80s. That doesn't work. Don't theme Your outfit? Because that doesn't work. Like, what are you dressed up like a cowboy with a rope? No, don't do that.

Jack: Okay. We do have a time machine. Could, in theory.

Cristina: But it can't be your friend. It'll just be a stranger.

Jack: Well, I'm not gonna do it.

Cristina: No, I mean to this person that's listening. If they went into a time machine.

Jack: They wouldn't go into a time machine.

Cristina: Oh, who's going into the time machine?

Jack: We would go and tell somebody.

Cristina: Oh, we're gonna have a listener from the past.

Jack: Well, he won't really be able to access the show, but we're gonna transcribe everything and send them the explanation of why they're doing this, of why they're doing this. And then they're gonna do it because they would have read their way there.

Cristina: So get their friend to read our episode then, I guess.

Jack: Yeah, that's pretty easy. We just transcribe it so that it says read instead of listen.

Cristina: And is it gonna be for this specific episode? Because I think that would be amazing.

Jack: That's a pretty nifty joke.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I think I commit to the bit far enough.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we should definitely time travel with this episode transcribed.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Into the 80s.

Cristina: But we need another episode to have him listen to first and then get his friends listen to this episode. Well, read. I mean, read.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Or is he reading this episode and then he's gonna be like, wow, this is amazing. I gotta let my friend listen to this episode. Read this episode.

Jack: There are two problems with the thought you're having right now. First, in most scenarios, assuming all our fans and listeners are 100% loyal and follow our word like we're their God. Nobody has ever made it past the intro because they immediately ran out to tell somebody else to listen. Nobody has ever heard any of the reports we've given them.

Cristina: Really.

Jack: Well, assuming if everybody who listens is 100% loyal.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And just commits, and they're like, yes, this is. This is my religion now.

Cristina: But we don't even listen to the episode. We just hear the first.

Jack: We do anything they say, and we make it up to where the first order comes, and then we just go and do it.

Cristina: But then they do listen to the episode afterwards.

Jack: Interesting. I guess they would. There's no reason not to.

Cristina: Yeah. Because they still have to do that. And then in the end, they have to tell their friends and family about what they just did with their friend.

Jack: Yes. 100%. Okay. You're right. Yes. That's the first. The second is a lot of episodes are essentially telling them how to listen. So there was nothing ever happening anyways. The episodes are just like just telling them how to get somebody to listen in the first place. So it was. The episode itself was an instruction of.

Cristina: Sorts of the whole episode so far. So far? Well, this episode.

Jack: Yes. But I'm pretty sure we've done this before.

Cristina: Yes. Which I guess giving them this episode to listen to wouldn't make sense.

Jack: Well, it would make the most sense because it's just instructions. But at this point, we're hoping they believe random sets of instructions is equal to God. And they're hearing word of God, which is essentially instructions, which I don't know.

Cristina: Like when to bring in their friends. Listen. Because by the time they listen to the part of like this is the conclusion of how to do this to your friend, they've already listened to the whole episode. But the point was to listen to it with a friend. So they both.

Jack: So this is.

Cristina: They failed.

Jack: This is an impossible task by default.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, you made it impossible. Trying to make it difficult. Now it's impossible.

Jack: Well, it was already impossible because all they're doing is reading a transcription. So they're essentially giving their homie the page, I guess. No, that would still happen. As long as they give it to one person we want.

Cristina: Yes. But by the time they get to the point, they already finished the episode. Like they can't do all the other things.

Jack: I mean, they can unless they pick.

Cristina: The point to do it.

Jack: To do it.

Cristina: But we need them to dress up as a greaser dude.

Jack: Yes. Okay, so there's a total goal. In which case. Right, but they just have to give this episode to somebody. No, but they couldn't listen with or read with them.

Cristina: Them. And also, is this papers giving them.

Jack: Cancer also crazy question. Why is the 80s, like totally dead of technology? It's like void of technology for us.

Cristina: They have technology.

Jack: Exactly. Why aren't we just giving them like a cassette or something? Why am I transcribing this? They could listen.

Cristina: I don't know. They have to be really rich, I guess, to own a really giant radio. Like those awkward radio things that were.

Jack: This would take like three minutes to make a cassette out of.

Cristina: Alright, you know what? Let's. Yeah, let's do that. We still have the problem that they're gonna listen to most of the episode before they get their friend involved.

Jack: We made something with so many holes and now we gotta patch holes before we go to the 80s.

Cristina: Yes, because we could give it to someone else. I mean, we can give them a different episode, then they do that thing.

Jack: No, but the point is for them to do what we're saying now, which is basically be dressed like a greaser.

Cristina: Which they won't know until.

Jack: Well, they already be dressing this way. We just need to give them the rope. That's why we went to the 80s. This is just normal s***.

Cristina: Why are we not giving him a chain rope?

Jack: Because. So it needs to be a chain.

Cristina: It has to be a chain.

Jack: It could just be a silver rope. That's cool. It has to match his outfit. That's usually why it's a chain.

Cristina: Exactly. So it should still be a chain.

Jack: No, if it was a white rope, it would match their outfits. Usually. Like what, black?

Cristina: His friend would be very confused about that. No one walks around with a rope. Everyone's with chains.

Jack: Right. And this has to work for everybody. This has to work for everybody. Well, no, this doesn't make any sense. Right. Because we have more than one listener.

Cristina: Yes, but we're only doing this for one listener, though.

Jack: No. Everybody else just has to do something we mentioned along the way and hope it works. Yeah, Well, I guess we're trying to convince one. We're trying to 100% get one more listener, essentially. Yes.

Cristina: That exists in the past.

Jack: Yeah. Now they exist in the past conditionally, because we just want a very specific. We want specific situation that leads to a listener.

Cristina: Which makes it hard, though, because once they're a listener, their friend is also a listener. So their friend has hear the next episode, but that episode doesn't exist.

Jack: Yes. Also, problem is the fact that they listen. Would they ever listen to the next episode?

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: I guess it would if this was in a time like now where we're actually there and the episode is telling you how to get somebody to listen.

Cristina: I think we just have to make all our episodes into tapes and just let it out that way. It'll be like that movie with this. You'll die in seven days if you watch this film or whatever. But it's. If you listen to this podcast, you'll get cancer.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Everyone convinces their friends to watch it, listen to it.

Jack: In the 80s, already had cassettes, and we have this show in cassettes.

Cristina: Okay. So we don't have to do anything. We'll just.

Jack: We don't have to do anything. We just hear take it to your vcr.

Cristina: Yes. What about all the fight club movies that we have to give?

Jack: Oh, my God, so many. All of them.

Cristina: All of them, actually. They would have the thing. They would have VCRs. It works out.

Jack: Can you imagine? I think we've destroyed reality.

Cristina: Is that a 90s thing?

Jack: Is what a 90s thing?

Cristina: VCRs.

Jack: No, VCRs. They had to be in the 80s, okay.

Cristina: Because we have so many. We gotta get rid of them.

Jack: Yes, but listen. Yeah, we have so many.

Cristina: We get rid of one per episode.

Jack: Yeah, well, no. Everybody who subscribes gets one.

Cristina: I thought it was for every episode, though. They get every episode they listen to. They get a new one in the mail.

Jack: No. They got a new Fight Club in the mail.

Cristina: Yeah. That's what I'm talking about.

Jack: Oh, but they get one VCR.

Cristina: Yeah. They only get one VCR.

Jack: Beginning.

Cristina: Yeah. That cost us like, $200.

Jack: Yes, it was actually like. No, it was like a thousand. $200 each.

Cristina: Oh. It was a bad investment that we had to get rid of. Like.

Jack: No, it's a great investment because when the power gets cut the f*** off. Not the power. When the Internet gets cut off. Because when the power is cut off, you're all like. The vast majority of you are f*****.

Cristina: And that was always so.

Jack: Yeah, but assuming the Internet gets cut off, but the power doesn't. So that they can keep people shut down.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They have the show that they can still play and they don't need Internet for.

Cristina: No, but what about all that? Fight Club?

Jack: They can also watch that. But also. No, this is my point. I think we've destroyed the world if we did this. Because can you imagine fight club 20 years early? Holy.

Cristina: It's also, our episodes will be very confusing.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: It would be gibberish. So, I don't know, we'll start a religion around this. Who knows?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fair enough. So I think maybe. Maybe our angle here is wrong. No, I think you have to go further into the future.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because the further back we go, the more regular. No, I guess that does make sense.

Cristina: But it was all about the outfit, so it's not about the outfit anymore.

Jack: No. Well, we're trying to get the outfit in the future now. Because we have to go somewhere where.

Cristina: The 80s style is back.

Jack: No, because that'll happen where the ninth and the rope. Like, even having them is, like, in any circumstance, you have to have past the point in which you need a rope and you have, like, a button that you could press from a laser thing that would show up and that would restrain you.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: And it's like, okay, that's. I'm gonna rope you.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: With a physical rope. They're gonna be like, Whoa, this guy's crazy. And then that's how to make it harder.

Cristina: Okay. Because they're already. So if you want a challenge in the future.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: So we're sending it in the future. So we're just.

Jack: Look, we're essentially just trolling somebody.

Cristina: All right. We don't have to send them this episode because they can hear this episode in the future.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: We'll just stumble upon it.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: And then they're like, okay, but are they gonna cosplay?

Jack: Oh, Then you know what? There's absolutely no harm. And because our. This episode just exists.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Given enough time, the situation will come to fruition and it would have happened. We win. We win by default. We win, cuz Infinity.

Cristina: Exactly. But will they be dressed up?

Jack: Yeah. Somebody at some point would be the type of person to dress this way.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But not normally. Have rope and the switchblade.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Given enough time, those circumstances will just.

Cristina: Happen and it will somehow be normal to be dressed up this way and have a rope and a switchblade.

Jack: Yeah, It'll either be normal, or this person would already normally dress this way.

Cristina: Mm. Yeah. Yeah, I guess.

Jack: So, like, it doesn't matter. Everything we've discussed will happen.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: In the course of infinity.

Cristina: Mm. We can check the computer for that.

Jack: Yes. Quantum computer. So kind of just makes way more sense to troll the guy in the 80s because it's something to do. The rest is just gonna happen in the future. Yeah. So this is less interesting.

Cristina: And we'll learn if our tapes will give cancer.

Jack: Yes. By one person.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Well, it's not. Yeah, yes.

Cristina: Just one person. Because he's gonna let his friend hear this. Who also get the cancer.

Jack: Man. This is gonna be like that Netflix show.

Cristina: What?

Jack: The one with. What is it? Archive? 51 or 52 or some. Where there's just these tapes that came out of nowhere about some crazy ritual.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, it's the same thing. Who knew? And it started from a podcast. That's weird. Okay.

Jack: Didn't some other happen from a podcast?

Cristina: A lot of stuff happens.

Jack: Not a movie or like. Like a show based on a podcast. Another show or was it a show?

Cristina: No, Archive was a show that was based off of podcast.

Jack: Oh, okay, then yes, I guess it was that triggered that thought.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: So Archive was based on a podcast.

Cristina: I gotta listen to? Yes. Yes.

Jack: I wonder if it's as good.

Cristina: But that show is pretty good. Yeah, yeah, the ending was confusing, but whatever.

Jack: Good. Guys, go. Go watch it. We're not spoiling that one. Go watch Archive.

Cristina: I Want to spoil it?

Jack: Don't spoil it.

Cristina: It's exactly what this episode is about. We just. Our episode. If you watch it, and then after hearing our episode, you'll be like, whoa. It's the same thing.

Jack: A lot of it. Yeah.

Cristina: Except for the alien thing that you already mentioned, which I don't know if that's. Oh, no, I mentioned.

Jack: You mentioned the alien.

Cristina: Oh, first. You didn't hear that. Okay. The cult that you mentioned, is it an alien?

Jack: I mean, I guess anything that isn't from here, it's.

Cristina: Yeah, it's technically an alien. It may not actually be a physical.

Jack: So then being.

Cristina: But it's a.

Jack: In Stranger Things.

Cristina: Alien mole.

Jack: In Stranger Things. Is the creature there an alien? It is. It would have to be.

Cristina: It's not alien.

Jack: Why? It's not from here.

Cristina: It's not from space.

Jack: Why does it have to be from space? The creature from Archive isn't.

Cristina: It's. Well, the creature is not an alien. It's the mole. That's an alien.

Jack: The mold.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It came from space.

Cristina: Yeah, it came from the rock. That came from space. That's the alien.

Jack: Oh, s***. And the creature is also an alien.

Cristina: No, that's just what the mold makes you see, I'm guessing. I don't know.

Jack: But they all see it and they get stuck there, and it can all interact with the same mold.

Cristina: Maybe it's the mold's imagination. I don't know how it works. Like, it could be the mold in, like, putting itself in your mind as an alien.

Jack: Okay, definite spoilers. But now I gotta talk about this, because what you just told me makes me think that the creature.

Cristina: Yes, the alien creature.

Jack: We're seeing it from one person's perspective.

Cristina: And it's the lady and the guy.

Jack: No, but there was a little video where.

Cristina: Yeah, it's there. Yeah. Yeah, you do.

Jack: So there is an alien. Because my thought is each one of them is seeing their own thing.

Cristina: But if the mold is sending out an image of an alien to have a physical.

Jack: Well, no. If body means the mold is conscious.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't think the mold is doing that. The mold is causing them to hallucinate. It is, yes, but not intention. It's not like I'm gonna make you hallucinate.

Cristina: How do you know?

Jack: Well, that's the question. That's what I'm asking.

Cristina: Right.

Jack: Is it thinking?

Cristina: It could be thinking.

Jack: Or is it just mold from space?

Cristina: It's a thinking mold from space.

Jack: Then why isn't our mold sentient?

Cristina: Because it's not an alien mold.

Jack: Do you see the problem? Like this doesn't work.

Cristina: Why? Why does the water work in the moon? The silen. That water is different. That's alien water.

Jack: That's alien water. But it's not thinking.

Cristina: It's working differently than the water we have.

Jack: Exactly my point. It's working differently, but it's not thinking. The water isn't thinking. It's just watering.

Cristina: It's just water.

Jack: So the mold is just molding, but it's space molding. It's not like I'm gonna make you hallucinate. It's just like you're around me, so you're gonna hallucinate.

Cristina: How can you tell?

Jack: Well, because of the water from the Silency.

Cristina: So if that had conscious, then it'd be the same? I don't know.

Jack: Well, no, you brought the example.

Cristina: And.

Jack: And yes, that's a perfect situation in which it's just from space. And yes, by default isn't conscious.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So the mold is just from space and by default doesn't have to be conscious.

Cristina: Doesn't have to be.

Jack: Yeah, but that's the same argument that could be made as to whether the. So the water attacking them is.

Cristina: We don't know that. I don't know.

Jack: I think it's pretty clear that neither of these situations. The thing is alive.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess not.

Jack: I think it's just something is happening.

Cristina: But the point is, is the Stranger Things creatures. Aliens.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: They come from other. Different dimensions.

Jack: That's literally what happens with the creature from archive.

Cristina: That's from a different dimension.

Jack: Yeah, because that's where they open a portal.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: They see the creature because of the mold.

Cristina: But does that mean those things are aliens? Like the mold for sure is alien. Yeah, but it's a creature from a different dimension. Also an alien.

Jack: Well, that's what makes him an alien. The fact that he's from a different dimension because he's not from here. Thus, alien.

Cristina: Okay. Because I thought alien was just.

Jack: But also, that's totally the wrong term. Dimension is. We're just using that poorly, you know, different, like, local space thing. But, like, it couldn't be another dimension because.

Cristina: Well, it is from a different dimension, isn't it? That's the point.

Jack: Well, no, dimension doesn't even make sense as a term in that case.

Jack: Because dimension is like the layers of things. Like you're in every dimension right now.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Okay, I see.

Jack: Yeah. Like if it's from a different realm or something.

Cristina: Realm. Okay. Is that still alien? Yeah, if it's From a different realm.

Jack: Thor is an alien. He's not a God. Well, Marvel.

Cristina: Thor, is he a different realm?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. Those are all different. There's a bunch of nine. Whatever realms. Okay.

Jack: He's an alien, and he's just from a different realm.

Cristina: An alien. I guess. I don't know. I guess that. That makes sense. I guess they're aliens. Even the stranger thing.

Jack: Yeah. This is a different realm.

Cristina: It looks like our realm.

Jack: Yeah, it looks the same.

Cristina: Looks the same. It looks like the shadow realm or whatever.

Jack: It kind of is the shadow realm.

Cristina: It is.

Jack: Which is literally a different realm.

Cristina: Yes. And. But we don't call these creatures aliens.

Jack: But they technically are because they're not from here. Which is the only requirement, I guess, to be an alien. Just not from here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Your extraterrestrial.

Cristina: I always thought that just meant, like, you're from space. I mean, you guys are not from.

Jack: No, I guess. I guess I'm wrong again, because extraterrestrial literally means. I guess. No, it means not of Earth. Extraterrestrial, of or from outside the Earth or its atmosphere. So space or simply not of planet Earth. Different realm. Yes.

Cristina: But then the second part is if.

Jack: Like, hypothetical or fictional, being from outer space, especially an intelligent one, it's from outer space.

Cristina: The first one definition is what you're saying. The second definition is what I'm saying. Just out. It's out. It's in space. Outer. From Earth.

Jack: Yes. But I believe the first one describes the fact of the matter, which is.

Cristina: They'Re not from Earth, that they're not from Earth.

Jack: Thus they are aliens.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Alien. Belonging to a foreign country or nation, relating to or denoting beings supposedly from other worlds.

Cristina: Other worlds sound like extraterrestrial. It's not helpful. This is not helpful.

Jack: What do you think another world means?

Cristina: Another planet.

Jack: Why wouldn't they say another planet in that description?

Cristina: You think other worlds mean Thor is from another world? Okay, I guess. Yeah.

Jack: That is not another planet. The concept of planet does not exist where Thor is from. Everything is flat and there are levels to it.

Cristina: Oh, okay. It's weird, but yes.

Jack: You see, a planet is not a thing where Thor exists, but then he crosses the realm into where we have space.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He is still an alien.

Cristina: Okay, so they are aliens.

Jack: Yeah. Just not being on from Earth is the requirement. So any thing that falls into you're not from Earth.

Cristina: So all these creatures we've been talking about this whole time are alien aliens.

Jack: But we do still make the distinction because it helps the listener know from Referring to.

Cristina: Okay, like, whether it's from space or from the other realm.

Jack: Because they're still using the common thinking of alien means outer space.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And like, demon means from a different realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Those descriptors help. It's like, I could say, hey, man, you know Bob? Who? Bob who? Oh, Bob, the guy who wears the leather jacket and is always in the color black. He has the bracelet. He sometimes has a mohawk. Or you're just like the goth. And he's like, oh, I get it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's essentially the point of calling space things aliens.

Cristina: Alright. Although from all our research, they are pretty much like, exactly like all the creatures that we've talked about. Anyway. From the other realms.

Jack: Yeah. Here's the crazy.

Cristina: There's not really much difference. Or from the gods.

Jack: It totally isn't. Because what about that thing that crossed realms or whatever? F*** the chupacabra. Just looking for blood.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: That s*** is not an alien from space. That came from some other s***. But then we've had gods show up doing the same s***.

Cristina: Exactly. At the end of the day, all these creatures, whether it doesn't matter, realm or other world, it's. It's all the same.

Jack: Yeah. They all behave more or less the same.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like ultimately, a fairy is an alien.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Everything is. Everything is. It's a. It's an umbrella term.

Cristina: We might even be. So.

Jack: Yeah, well, the problem is. No, we're of Earth or Everett. Yeah.

Cristina: Because I thought we were some type of experiment from the cat people or we came from. No, where was Eden from?

Jack: People. Oh, you mean humans as a whole.

Cristina: Humans, I guess, yes. Us as well.

Jack: No, because we're the descendants of the people who decided that the term alien, you know, it's based on the fact that. Well, those of us born here for like, whatever lineage goes back to the first. We're terrestrial. From the first person born here forward. Or I guess terrestrial means you were born on Earth regardless of when.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. All right. That makes sense. Even though you're sort of an alien.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay. Interesting, interesting. We're all aliens.

Jack: Well, you wouldn't be an alien by definition. You wouldn't be an alien.

Cristina: No, no.

Jack: Because you were born on Earth.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Alien just means you were born somewhere else.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: You could be a little green man, but you were born on Earth. You are not an alien. You're just a little green creature.

Cristina: Then the lizard people are complicated because we don't know if they were born on this Earth.

Jack: They were born on Mars.

Cristina: They weren't born on the Second Earth.

Jack: They were born on Mars.

Cristina: They were born on Mars, then they.

Jack: Went to Earth, went to the center, created a portal, and then came out on our side.

Cristina: Oh, the second Earth is Mars.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: Born on the second Earth, Smars went to the second Earth inside, built a portal, which they came out of. All right, so they are aliens because they're not of our Earth.

Cristina: Yes, but they're not even from an Earth.

Jack: But they're not even from Unearth. They're just from Mars. The Martians, the Reptilians are all Martians.

Cristina: But anyone on a different Earth is still alien to us.

Jack: Yes, they're all alien to us. Even if they are literally usually.

Cristina: Yes. Okay, that makes sense.

Jack: They're alien.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Now we'd be the aliens to them by definition, because we're not of their world.

Cristina: Mm. But it doesn't matter what world. Two things. Because they're not here.

Jack: So I guess everybody's an alien all the time. To somebody.

Cristina: To somebody.

Jack: But you're never an alien to yourself. You're defining alien based on you. It's kind of like the observable universe. You're always in the center. So even if you went to the corner, now you don't see what you.

Cristina: Used to see, because now you have a new center of the universe.

Jack: Yes, exactly. The center is always moving and the distance is always the same. That's the same idea here.

Cristina: Okay, that makes sense.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yes. How did we get to this from, I don't know, the shows? How do you get to the future to the shows? I don't know. I lost the conversation.

Jack: Yeah, the thread is gone.

Cristina: But it's very interesting to see what the people from the future will do. And the past, I guess, because they're going to do the experiment on both.

Jack: Well, the future one is going to happen by default. We don't do anything.

Cristina: We don't do anything.

Jack: Infinity is going to happen and we win.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So the only real goal is going back and for some reason, trolling some.

Cristina: 80S dude that we'll see. Well, we'll still see the one in the future because we'll use the computer to see the results of.

Jack: Oh, my God. You know, that's the problem here. No, because it wouldn't be. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We. We still want the actual listeners. We have to do this. I was gonna say we could have just simulated it.

Cristina: Yeah, that's not. No, you don't want to do that.

Jack: Well, we could do that, but we still have to do the actual thing because we want the Listener.

Cristina: Or are we. We are doing the actual thing.

Jack: Yeah. Or are we gonna just. Is any listener. Another listener is the simulated version. Listener. As long as we don't shut off his reality, that's technically another listener. We could just do this in the computer. Save a portion of its power just running to continue simulating this universe in which this individual exists.

Cristina: This person from the future or the past.

Jack: The 80s person doesn't actually have to be in the past. We could get the person with the leather jacket to do it simulated in the computer to the exact conditions we want.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we just have to sustain their universe forever.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We're literally gonna be God.

Cristina: But we gotta do it for both, because I will. We have to see the future one too. Like we know it's gonna happen for sure.

Jack: Future is gonna happen no matter what.

Cristina: But we gotta see it.

Jack: Oh, so you want to simulate the future. Oh, yeah. But we could shut them off. We just need one real listener. It's the goal.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Getting one listener through these absurd conditions.

Cristina: Yes. We gotta make sure it happens. Like we know it's gonna happen. But with the computer we'll know for sure. For sure.

Jack: No, yeah, that. Simulating it.

Cristina: Yes. For the future and past.

Jack: The future is going to happen no matter what. We know factually. The set of circumstances we want will happen. And it's going to lead to a listener. Okay, That's a fact. Because infinity.

Cristina: Yes. Okay, so we're just worried about the. The past.

Jack: Only the past.

Cristina: Okay, then we should do that. That sounds great.

Jack: And we can simulate it. Because ultimately the futures thing, we could go and simulate an infinite number of times it's going to happen exactly as we said it. And an infinite number of times it's going to fail that same way.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay, so it doesn't matter.

Cristina: Doesn't matter. Okay.

Jack: Only the 80s ones matter. But also now I could just tell the computer to generate a world in which people dress like that.

Cristina: Yeah. No, but it has to be in the 80s.

Jack: We can simulate the 80s then.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or in 80s where specifically this person would be the person who would dress like that. You know, whatever. All right, So a hundred percent we're getting the one extra listener. This is a plan that can't even fail. And because we're going to sustain their universe and they can hear us. But how would they know they're in this universe? Holy. Everybody listening to this now believe they're the one in that universe.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: And then we worked in being God, essentially. Because we made your universe.

Cristina: All right. That Work.

Jack: So one of you. This is true.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: One of you is inside of a universe. Yeah, exactly. Because by the time this comes out, we would have created the universe and put this in there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So one of you has memories that we programmed.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: One of you people hearing this show, you have memories. We programmed.

Cristina: The crazy thing is, like, they don't even have to be the 80s person, though. They could be anyone, because the 80s person is gonna tell their friend. But also everyone like, the show exists so other people will listen to it and will be trying to tell their friend about it. So it could be anyone.

Jack: Interesting. You know, I don't understand.

Cristina: You don't understand that we're doing this program just for one 80s person. But it's not just an 80s person that's gonna listen to us in that program.

Jack: No. But the person in the unit in the program in the. In the simulated universe, Right.

Cristina: Yes. There's gonna be a bunch of people listening to us talk about how they're in a simulation. In the simulation.

Jack: Interesting. I see what you're saying.

Cristina: So in whoever's listening to us right now, they don't know if they're in the simulation or not Just because they're right. Because not just like an 80s person. That doesn't mean they're not one of the people.

Jack: What you're arguing is that we aren't just doing this to this one individual, but rather the show is normal in the universe we're simulating.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: And we've simulated more than just him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because we have to sustain his universe. He can't exist in a world where he tries to open the door out of his room and there's nothing.

Cristina: No.

Jack: It has to be a literal universe.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So there's approximately 8 billion people there.

Cristina: Mm. And also our show is probably giving them cancer.

Jack: And our show's probably giving them cancer. Oh, s***. So it's the same scenario. We just made a universe in which this now.

Cristina: Exactly. Exactly.

Jack: Except everyone listening there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We're God. Because we made you a universe. Now, you'll never know because you were born before. Just after this episode was recorded and before it aired.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That you were born at that point.

Cristina: But you wouldn't know.

Jack: And you would know because all your memories were made to seem like you had a life.

Cristina: Exactly. So everyone listening to the. They'll never know. They'll never know if they're the ones that. That's their. Yeah, they're in the fake one or the real one.

Jack: They'll never know if you are the one who is in the simulated universe. And it's a. It's a flip of the coin.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's two universes. One of you is simulated because there's two of you. Now, we made a universe identical to this, and there's two of you, and one of you is simulated, and that one is literally just half a chance way.

Cristina: And we don't have to worry about future episodes because there's gonna be us in there, too.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So even there's a simulated version of us, how do we know we're the ones? I mean, we're recording it, though. Unless we. But we did it in the middle of the episode. So the. Everything after the point of the simulation, like everything else could have been just generated right now.

Jack: No, that wouldn't make any sense because the episode would have. We have to make the episode after recording. We had the idea at that point, but we have to go and make the universe in the quantum computer.

Cristina: Okay. I thought we were doing it while we're talking.

Jack: No, we're going to do that after the show.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: We're gonna simulate.

Cristina: Okay. So we're safe.

Jack: We're safe. We're definitely not.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because I see this microphone in front of me, but anybody who's hearing this 50, 50 chance. You're in a universe where we just invented you in order to get what? You're not even important. You're listening by f****** mere chance. Unless you're who we were aiming at and you weren't because you're not dressed.

Cristina: Like a greaser, but still, you probably gonna rope someone if you're listening to this episode.

Jack: Yeah. If you.

Cristina: Even if you don't dress up like a greaser.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: The goal is to rope someone.

Jack: Because if you get us another listener, you're great.

Cristina: Yes. So win, win, win.

Jack: Yeah. But, yeah. Ultimately, you can still go out there with a switchblade or box cutter.

Cristina: Yes. And a rope or chain rope thing.

Jack: Yeah. But this episode had a variety of ways.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: So you pick your favorite and you go do it.

Cristina: That's gonna be so awesome.

Jack: Don't actually stab them, though. You just have the knife.

Cristina: It's just to scare them.

Jack: Yes. Just to scare them. It could be a prop knife. That looks very realistic.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It doesn't matter. They have to believe it's a real knife, is the point.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The end.

Cristina: They just have to. What is it in Sunny and Philadelphia? What he says is just to insinuate.

Jack: Oh, you have to insinuate that you're gonna do something horrible.

Cristina: Yes. That's the important thing.

Jack: Yes. But you never said.

Cristina: You never.

Jack: Yeah, I mean, I guess you literally said, I'm gonna tie you up.

Cristina: Well, you never said you're gonna hurt them or cut them.

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: And you're not gonna cut them.

Jack: And you're not going to. Don't do that. That's bad. We are not endorsing stabbing.

Cristina: No. We're just saying tie them up.

Jack: Yeah. You're gonna tie them up. Actually, we didn't say tie them up either. We just said you're gonna get them to listen with a rope.

Cristina: Yes, but we were hoping you'd tie.

Jack: Them up like a cowboy. To make it harder.

Cristina: To make it harder. So you probably won't end up tying them.

Jack: Yeah. And it'll still probably be really. No, it'll be really easy, which was like the biggest point. It'll be too easy. The knife is gonna spook them a little. But chances are they'll still wait around and see what will happen if you're their close friend or something.

Cristina: Yeah. So then you guys will listen to this episode together. Yes. And mission accomplished, I guess. Yes.

Jack: Unless they. Unless. What if this is your favorite episode because you love doing what? What. It's what's explained. And so every time you go and you do it again, but this time with your friend, you. That's how the call happens. Right. So every day you guys listen to this, but then each one of you must successfully get somebody else to listen. So every day it's two times bigger. Twice as big. Yeah. And so today it's two, tomorrow's four, but eventually it's like a billion. Two billion. Four billion.

Cristina: That's ridiculous.

Jack: Eight billion.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Oh, I guess that's how popular this episode is gonna be.

Jack: Man, Rogan's gonna be begging at the door. Anyways, guys, if you liked what we were talking about, you see, we figured it out for you. Now you just go do it. We solved the most nuanced. It's great.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We win. You can find.

Cristina: It's other complicated to know when are they gonna stop the episode to get the friend. Like, it could happen at any moment. It could happen in the beginning.

Jack: Yeah, they could.

Cristina: It's. But it could happen in somewhere in the middle. Because we mention it over and over and over again.

Jack: They're like, as long as it's done with the rope.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You don't even need the knife.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, maybe this isn't the right idea. So I'm just listening to. Till I get to the point where ideas. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So I Get to my favorite and then I'm gonna do it. And then I'm get my friend to listen to this episode with me. Did they restart the episode or did they just continue where he left off? Because I probably asked this before, but I don't remember. I guess it's your choice.

Jack: Yeah, just at some point they're gonna finish the episode anyways.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it doesn't matter. They'll get more ideas. But anywho, you guys can hear more conversations of this nature and probably way more coherent other conversations on the official website greatthoughts.info or on Apple podcasts, Spotify or anywhere you get your podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok @JustCombopod.

Jack: Yep. And remember to subscribe and rain and review the show. I'm not someone who might like the show and know about it.

Cristina: This has been the rambling podcast signal. Think personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. Windmill causes energy. That's the point of a windmill, right? Send electricity. The electricity has to power something, right? So if we're creating electricity, then we have electrical currents running. Those electrical currents go to where? They go to any kind of thing. Houses, they charge the cars, but they also do what they power. The 5G towers.

Cristina: Oh, what?

Jack: Our windmills. Towers are 5G towers. Towers.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: See how these lines start to. It's. The similarities are striking already. Not only that, who says that the windmill isn't giving out 5G signal? Why wouldn't we double up? It's already a tower. Why wouldn't we create windmills that can self power the 5G signal that they need to boost instead of redirecting energy towards them?

Cristina: What?

Jack: All the windmills have been 5G cancer towers this entire time?

Cristina: Then why is it only lasting 10 years? Is this such a hard job for the windmill?

Jack: The radiation is so overpowered, it's deteriorating the windmill itself. It could only sustain for a certain amount of time. It rusts at a hundred times the pace of the normal metal.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

December 11, 2021

JCP 5.10 Conspiracy Beer Me & The Zoo Hypothesis

December 11, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

Guest Justin Scranton, host of the Conspiracy Beer Me podcast, join Jack for an in depths discussion on conspiracy theories and how it affects the culture at large. Picking apart everything from the Mandela Effect to the elitist effort of suppressing knowledge from the masses and manipulate an ever growing population. This deep dive opens a can of worms into the psychology of society and the relationship to conspiracy theories.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

Cult of Conspiracy Believers
Listening More than Talking
Equality or Revenge
Miseducating the Population
CIA Creating Fake News
Covid, Metaverse and the Matrix are Related
Choosing the Blue Pill
The Journey is the Goal
Skateboarding and Stand-Up Similarities
Lost Knowledge or Alien Tech?
Non-Carbon Based Life
Sentient Robots
Virtual Reality Over Base Reality
Underground Civilizations

Conspiracy Beer Me Links:

Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/conspiracybeerme/

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/conspiracybeerme

Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/c/ConspiracyBeerMe

Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/5tTM3RlB1c9Rn3DiXJb5N7

Apple Podcasts - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/conspiracy-beer-me/id1447071984

Justin Scranton Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/justinscranton/

Shane Smith Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/itsshanesmith/

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

Instagram -https://instagram.com/justconvopod

September 03, 2021

Rambling 141: What is Art?

September 03, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

Does all art have meaning? Does creation have to be intentional to be considered art? The duo unpacks art, the meaning behind it, the evolution of art, artistry and what it takes to be an artist on this episode of Rambling.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

Evolution of Radio
Comedy Bang Bang
Earwolf
Meaning Behind Art
Accidental Art
Artist, Consumer, Product
Spotify
Everything is Art
The Jordan Harbinger Show
Music
Best Rapper
Alex Grey
Salvador Dali

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/2LcS57uHuwZ6HMvYveCAOY?si=qnbVsJHQSbOhUofhHxZ9-Q&dl_branch=1

Instagram -https://instagram.com/justconvopod

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yeah. So go find people, tell them, hey, listen to this show. And you got to say with that radio voice. I did right there, hey, listen to the Just Conversation podcast live every Saturday at 8:00am At 8:00am yes. Usually when it goes up, I think, oh, okay. I'm 99% sure that it goes up at 8am okay. So that people have it on weekends.

Cristina: But they have to say, like, that.

Jack: They have to use their radio voice anytime they're referencing anything on the radio.

Cristina: But we're not on the radio.

Jack: You're right. Facts. This is Internet.

Cristina: This is Internet. Yes.

Jack: You're hearing our voice through the interwebs of the world.

Cristina: And the YouTube. I guess that's part of the Internet too.

Jack: But, like, all the things.

Cristina: All the things. Yeah, we're everywhere.

Jack: You can listen to us on wherever you listen to us.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I mean, if you're already hearing this, then wherever you are is fine, but.

Cristina: You still have to talk in that voice. Are you just talking in that voice to introduce this?

Jack: Yeah, you gotta tell people about the show. Listen to the Just Conversation podcast.

Cristina: Do people still make that voice? I mean, on radio?

Jack: I don't know. Right?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I feel like it's gotten more casual.

Cristina: It's become more podcasty.

Jack: Yes. There's a. Like, every f****** morning, there's a radio station. I hear that went from being a typical boring station to now just being 24. Seven podcasts.

Cristina: How do they do it? It's not the same people, is it?

Jack: No, it's just like, sport podcasts straight through a channel. It's like, whoa, that's kind of cool that they just, you know, a channel on the radio doing nothing but podcasting. No music. No nothing. Just podcast. No music, no music. Just podcasts.

Cristina: What, and that works for them?

Jack: I have no idea. I have no idea. How do you. How do we go about finding ratings for radio?

Cristina: I'm sure they're out there somewhere. There's gotta be. There's someone rating everything.

Jack: No, not people rating them. Like, how many people see a Thing.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Like, are people tuning in simply because it's a podcast of sorts?

Cristina: Yes. Hasu.

Jack: I don't know, because that's true. Question.

Cristina: Are there a bunch of podcasts about sports because there's a lot of listeners or there's just a lot of people who enjoy talking about sports? Like, is there a lot of people that want to hear about sports or want to talk about sports? What's more, Both.

Jack: I don't. What's more, obviously people who want to hear about sports.

Cristina: It has to be, right?

Jack: Yeah. Like by default, way less people want to talk than there are people who want to talk.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even people who love talking don't necessarily want to just talk sports. And even people who want to talk sports don't necessarily want to talk sports in front of a microphone.

Cristina: Yeah. And yet so many people do.

Jack: There's not a lot of people in that station. There might be like 12 people. Total 12 people throughout the course of the whole day.

Cristina: The whole day. Yeah.

Jack: Well, you're like, it's not a lot.

Cristina: Who wants to do that? I don't know.

Jack: They do.

Cristina: They do.

Jack: That's why they're doing it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Otherwise they wouldn't be. They'd be like, f*** this job, I'm leaving. Yeah, but like, they like sports. They have to be familiar with sports. It's not a thing you can't. Can not like, and then participate in. You have to know what you're talking about.

Cristina: Mm I wonder if they need to make a channel then for other things. If they can do that with sports, they can definitely do that with just like those ladies that do criminal.

Jack: Oh my God. You're talking about something kind of amazing. Like what if you turned on your radio and instead of hearing s***** music on loops.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There are stations dedicated to certain. It doesn't even have to be dedicated to certain things. Right. It could be like, you know, true crime is to some degree, it's true based on true crap. And it's dark. So this could be like the late night radio hour starting at like 8:00pm yeah.

Cristina: So it'll be like watching TV, but.

Jack: Yeah, but on the radio.

Cristina: Podcast.

Jack: And so the radio then plays it in disorder. So during a day they'll have more kid friendly things.

Cristina: Educational.

Jack: Educational, Yes. I guess not kid friendly because what kid is going to listen to podcasts but educational things and stuff. Funny things or funny things, but you know, not rated R. Yeah. And it's pretty much going to be education, like NPR stuff. A bunch of NPR stuff in the middle of the day and, like, shows that just talk about interesting things and talk to interesting people in relatively average ways.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then towards the late nights, you get the true crime podcast, the paranormal podcast, all these other kinds of fringy things. And maybe throughout the day, sprinkled, you get a couple of audio dramas. One here, one there. And so you got a little bit of everything going on.

Cristina: You need some audio dramas. What?

Jack: Yeah, that'd be pretty badass.

Cristina: Yeah. Let's start this channel.

Jack: You know who should, though? Scott Aukerman with all the Earwolf shows.

Cristina: We should do a radio.

Jack: Radio station that you just tune in and there's a schedule.

Cristina: Oh, yes.

Jack: Oh, yeah.

Cristina: That's a lot of stuff.

Jack: And then people fight for time slots all over again. Like, you could put it up whenever you want. That still works.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But your wolf radio is also going to want it. So your show has to be of a certain quality at the same time that you can still put it up.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And if it's. That if it meets the requirements, it could move to prime time. You want to get to prime time? When is the prime time for people to listen to podcasts? You want to be there.

Cristina: I feel like it. Wouldn't Comedy Bang Bang end up there. It would be his own show or.

Jack: No, it would be whatever makes him the most money.

Cristina: Ah, okay.

Jack: You know.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: Like, if it's prob. Out of all the things on Earwolf, Comedy Bang Bang is the powerhouse.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But, like, how did this get made pretty up there?

Cristina: How did this. Oh, yes.

Jack: That's way listened to show.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You know, so there's things.

Cristina: There are things, yes.

Jack: And Conan's shows on Earwolf, isn't it?

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: D***. That might be the moneymaker. That might be more than one that.

Cristina: I don't know if it's on that, though. The one that. What's his name? Will Ferrell. He does.

Jack: He's on Earwolf as well.

Cristina: I'm not sure, but if that is a Earwolf show. Whoa.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting.

Cristina: But I'm not sure if that is. Or if he's even still doing that. That might have been just a.

Jack: No, I think he's still doing it.

Cristina: Oh, really?

Jack: Yeah, I think he's still doing it. What the h*** is it called? The Ron Burgundy show.

Cristina: He must really love that character. I don't know if he does. I find him annoying, but people love that character.

Jack: Ron Burgundy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. People f****** hate Ron Burgundy.

Cristina: Oh, people hate that.

Jack: Well, no, people love Ron Burgundy.

Cristina: They love to Hate him.

Jack: Because they hate Ron Burgundy. They're like, this is a despicable human. You know who Ron Burgundy would get along with?

Cristina: Who?

Jack: Bad Grandpa.

Cristina: What?

Jack: They're the same vein.

Cristina: Like, I don't know.

Jack: But, you know, I do love the Ronald Burgundy podcast.

Cristina: You do?

Jack: Yeah. I love this. I hate it, and I love it.

Cristina: So you're the exact people that listen.

Jack: The specific episode that's the best is when we couldn't tell whether Peter Dinklage was acting or not.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it's like, yes, they're acting. We have to look this up to find out he was acting. But, God, he's such a good actor.

Cristina: Yes. Because it sounded like he was really there to read some poetry.

Jack: Like, who the h*** doesn't want to hear poet, dude? I was angry because it's like, peter Dinklish is gonna read f****** poetry, dude.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Holy f***.

Cristina: Yeah. And I think the story was, like, it was his child's poetry or some weird story like that. I don't know, man.

Jack: So awesome. Peter Dinklage reading poetry. I was truly intrigued. I'm like, yeah, this is awesome. And then Ron just f****** it up.

Cristina: And it was so believable.

Jack: Yeah. It's because Will Ferrell is also a great actor.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So Will Ferrell playing this troll. Committed to the troll.

Cristina: And Peter Dinklage being outraged.

Jack: So committedly.

Cristina: Yes. Very believable.

Jack: Yeah, man. That was pretty great. I dig it. Hated every second of it. Beloved every second of it. Because if it can make you feel anything, it's doing what it was meant to do.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's the point of all art, Right. To make you feel some s*** one way or another.

Cristina: But all art. I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: Fair enough. Not all art. No.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Something. It doesn't have to be the. Feel the same thing.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It comes into the idea of, like, abstract paintings, right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Where you're looking for aesthetic. A color pattern that works in the painting or type of strokes that look a certain way. An effect. You're looking for an effect.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Not necessarily something to provoke emotion, because I find it could, but that's 99% of the time. Just pretentious art douchebags who are pretending there's something in there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I love to talk to an artist who's like, yeah, my art had no f****** meaning. And then they tell me, like, but the f****** idiots selling it swear there was meaning, and the people buying it were dumber who ate it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. But the Passion behind his strokes. And it was so you can see the anger in the thing.

Cristina: And it's like selling a story that's really good. It's not even about the art anymore. It's about the story.

Jack: Well, this is my point. People are eating that s*** up, but there's nothing f****** there.

Cristina: There is the story that guys is.

Jack: Selling, then you are not feeling the painting.

Cristina: Well, the story. You think the painting.

Jack: It's not about the painting. The painting had none of that.

Cristina: No. Well, the artist didn't, but the person who's seeing it now does have that.

Jack: Yeah, but it's not about the. It's what they were pitched on.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It has nothing to do with the painting.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Somebody invented a narrative, and now somebody's following the narrative and they're associating it with the painting. But that did not come from the painting.

Cristina: That didn't. I know.

Jack: While the artist is like, well, this combination of red and white goes great with my kitchen. That's red and white.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You know, and it's like just the strokes and whatever. There's. You know, my kitchen has stripes on the walls, and I wanted to make some nice vertical stripes that match the color schem. Assuming somebody else has a similar thing going on somewhere in their lives. And they see and they're like, oh, this goes perfectly. There's no emotion in the sense of, oh, I feel the anger. But there is a pleasant aesthetic feeling, like, when you just see something beautiful.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That is what you're trying. So you're trying to get them to.

Cristina: Feel something, but just not a strong feeling.

Jack: It could be strong. You could be like, this is so beautiful. I've seen abstract art, and I'm like, what the f***? This is amazing.

Cristina: How did they do it? Yeah, usually.

Jack: But I'm also not like, oh, I can see the sadness in the. Like, who the f***, dude, Come on.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, it's like you're getting them to feel something different. There's the boring basic emotions. Oh, make you sad, make you happy, make you angry.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Make you depressed. Whatever. You know, make you feel love or whatever. But then there's the more obscure, abstract emotions, like just beautiful without emotion other than beautiful. Not happy, beautiful. It could be dark and beautiful. It could be sad and beautiful, could be gloomy and beautiful. But the beauty is what you're looting to. It's just like, wow, this is really impressive. Or how elegant the way the brush moves or whatever.

Cristina: Some abstract feeling for abstract feelings versus.

Jack: Just the normal boring feelings that everybody gets.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That if you can do that, that's the purpose of art, I think. I think it's also crazy subjective, but that's what I believe the true point of art is you're gonna feel something if you feel nothing. But also, I think it would be impossible to feel nothing.

Cristina: I think it's impossible. There's no way. You have to feel something.

Jack: Even if it's like.

Cristina: Even if it's positive or negative. Yeah. Like, if it's like, I don't like it or I do like it, that's something.

Jack: But if you could manage to be neutral, that's garbage.

Cristina: There's no way you could be neutral about it. I don't think that's possible. I don't think you could be neutral about any art.

Jack: You don't think that. You look at it and you're like.

Cristina: Okay, no, I don't know if that's possible. That's so weird.

Jack: You neither feel good nor bad about it. It's just like, okay, it's a thing.

Cristina: No way. But I guess there has to be. Maybe for photography, I don't know.

Jack: No, everything has to have. Everything has to. Have you seen a photo that you're like, no, that's a photo.

Cristina: Yes, that's a photo. I guess.

Jack: But then you see a photo, you're like, how the f*** did he catch that?

Cristina: Yeah, but that's. I guess, a person who's not trying to do something and someone who is.

Jack: Sometimes great things happen by accident. Making assumptions here.

Cristina: Yeah. Yes, I am.

Jack: Sometimes great things happen by accident. That's perfectly fine. You're skilled when you could do it intentionally. Yeah, but awesome things happen by accident.

Cristina: But in our accident, everywhere.

Jack: Everywhere, there are no exceptions to the rule. There are just as many talented people as. There are skilled people as. There is random look.

Cristina: Okay, yeah, there is random look.

Jack: Sometimes you're just f****** around and something happened, and now that's gonna be your thing because now you're obsessed with figuring out how to do it. Yes, but it happened by accident like that.

Cristina: The painter you interviewed, it was by accident, and now it's her thing.

Jack: Yes, Renee. Renee, Renee.

Cristina: Yes. She found her thing by accident.

Jack: By accident. She just threw the paint on a canvas and then came back the next day and saw what looked like a face and then started picking at it. By accident. Was that there? She's had a moment of frustration, and that is exactly what happened. Sometimes by accident. And then you're like, whoa, wow, there's something here.

Cristina: Yeah, but to redo it, that's how that seems Harder to do once you.

Jack: Yeah. That's when you commit to it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because now you know where you're looking.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Before, you were just winging it. Now you know where you're looking.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. How did we get here? From the radio.

Jack: Because the radio is going to put podcasts on the radio. And then we're talking about Ron Burgundy, because Earwolf would be on the radio, and we were saying, is Ron Burgundy part of that? And then talking about that great episode in which it made us both angry.

Cristina: And happy, and that made us think of art.

Jack: Because art, that's art. That's like, all things.

Cristina: Okay. That's art.

Jack: That's art. It is a performance you're putting on.

Cristina: Yes. Everything's art.

Jack: Everything is art. Everything is art. For sure.

Cristina: Yeah. Is that what we're getting from everything? Is that why people love the Internet? It's just art.

Jack: The problem is when you consume more than you return, when you take more out of the world than you put into the world, you are a problem. You are a resource draining problem. That's why you become the product.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Not the consumer.

Cristina: But don't you need some of that? I guess. I don't know.

Jack: Not really. You don't need a consumer. I mean, you don't need a product. Not a person as a product.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But because so many people become just. They don't give anything.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: They become the product. So there's three kinds of people, Right. There's a person who makes a thing, there's a person who buys the thing, and there's a person who is the thing. Person who buys, person who makes the thing, we will call the artist.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The person who buys the thing has supported the artist.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The person who just watches the thing without buying the thing or without making the thing is the thing. That's that artist went outside, saw that guy doing nothing, made a painting about that person doing nothing as commentary for people doing nothing, and sold it to the guy who buys paintings.

Cristina: Okay. So the person buying the things is not a problem.

Jack: They're not as great as the other guy, but they're supporting he who puts back.

Cristina: Okay. Yes.

Jack: So you're either the one putting back or you're making it easier for somebody else to put back.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But if you're just taking your. A resource problem.

Cristina: Yes. Like the people who steal off of music and.

Jack: Yes, exactly. If you're burning s***, you're stealing.

Cristina: Yeah. You're taking away someone else's.

Jack: Yes. They made that. People who watch like, UFC for free, they're a problem. They're a problem. Those fighters rely on the pay that the company gives them. The pay is based on how much money comes in from people buying all the locations from which they can watch. If you're sneakily taking it illegally for free, then that money never makes it to them. So they're missing some of the money that they're earning because you're stealing it. Yeah, they got you to watch, but they didn't get you to give them the money that you owe them. Now, that's theft. That is stealing somebody's art, somebody's creation. They put their bodies on the line so that you can have entertainment, something you won't do because you're f****** too scared to go and f****** get in a cage with somebody to go train because it's too time consuming and you're too scared, and you don't have the discipline. Meanwhile, you don't want to give him five bucks.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: That's all he's charging. Five dollars. Give me five dollars a month, and I'll give you my body to watch.

Cristina: Yeah. What?

Jack: You can do it.

Cristina: Mm. That's a problem.

Jack: That's a problem.

Cristina: So that's a huge problem. You call them the product.

Jack: Those people are the product.

Cristina: Even though what makes them a product?

Jack: I guess, because they are who everyone else is going to base their things on. Usually the person who's creating is using that person to create. Okay, so in the case of an artist, you're painting the flaws of the world. You're painting your inner thoughts, the things that bother you, the things that trigger you.

Cristina: And they're probably part of that.

Jack: They're probably part of that. Those people who are the ones who are not serving the world in any good way, those are the people you're making the art about. Then you're selling that to the person who's paying for the art.

Cristina: Yeah, but the person buying is not a problem.

Jack: The person buying is not a problem. Look at it like this. Let's use the UFC thing as an example again.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Bunch of people steal.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So what does Dana White, the person who owns ufc, do? He hires a team of tech people to figure out how to invent a system that can allow them to track the people.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Who are stealing it. To ban them now. To ban them. Yeah. Now, these people are the creators, and they're getting paid by Dana, the consumer, to solve the problem of the third party, the problem.

Cristina: Okay, so the product is a problem.

Jack: At the same time, the product is. You're always solving for the product.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. Somebody needs to consume.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And somebody needs to create. If you don't fall into either one of those two places, you're what's being traded.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In the case of YouTube, there are the people who pay for YouTube.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There are the people who make YouTube.

Cristina: And there are people who see for.

Jack: Free, and there are people who watch it for free. So what was the workaround? Somebody got creative and decided, bomb those people with the ads.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now you're solving. So you. The consumer is paying to not get the ads, and the creator is creating the content that you are not getting the ads for. The thing that got sold in the interaction was the person who is watching it for free. You watching the ads is making it possible for the person who is making the content to get paid from the ads and from direct money that the other guy is giving to the creator.

Cristina: Both the people are helping. Both the other types of people. Not the creator, but the.

Jack: No, the person watching for free had to be solved for.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Which is where the ads came in.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because you can get people to give direct money.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But, like, if there are no ads, why would I give direct money?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So now you put ads in place, people will give direct money, and you're solving for the people who don't want to give direct money.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I guess they became the product.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So you're selling them.

Cristina: You're selling them. That sounds so horrible.

Jack: But it's the case. It's always the case.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: In order to solve the UFC problem, you're selling the people. Those people are now the product you are selling. I need you to take these people into account. They're the free one. So I'm paying you to solve that problem. You make money because. F*** those people.

Cristina: But which people are you talking about?

Jack: The people who are watching it for free. In every case, it's the same people.

Cristina: No, no, no. Who's the other person that you're paying?

Jack: The tech people. Oh, who are solving the issue.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Which they do for video games too, don't they? Like people who hack GTA or something like that.

Jack: Yes. Yes. You are the cheater. Now you. Somebody became a paid individual.

Cristina: Dude, you probably get in trouble for that.

Jack: Somebody became a paid individual to solve you.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There's the people who pay. You don't got to worry about them. There's people who made it. You don't got to worry about them. The people who are trying to get things for free. Now, there is a third party involved to Solve for you.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You are the problem. The other two people are doing their part, so that is definitely how it goes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Always some sort of problem out there.

Cristina: Yeah. So when are you gonna start this radio station?

Jack: I don't know. That would be amazing. I would love for that radio station to be created to turn on the radio. And there's nothing but podcasts and you randomly discover new podcasts and you're like, oh, s***, what's the name of this show? I want to go find it on, like, Spotify or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah. I wonder why that's not a thing yet. What is radio doing?

Jack: Radio and television are so slow to catch on.

Cristina: They really are.

Jack: How the f*** is cable surviving still?

Cristina: Exactly. Who has cable still?

Jack: They've tried everything. They're surviving off of their streaming services.

Cristina: The cable.

Jack: Yeah, they still have the traditional cable for like the 10 people who still have it. Yeah, but like, they also offer stream services. Way more people will pay you directly then you having to pay certain people to be on their channel. And whatever comes back afterwards is what you get. Because that's how like a cable company works, right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You get put on their thing. I'm assuming you give them money of some sort. You give them money at the beginning. I want to be on your thing. And then over the cost of what I give you, whatever extra is directed towards me, I get. Or I guess it doesn't have to be that way. Put me on your thing. So you put us on your cable.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then if we make. That's free content. Yeah, I see. So we make the content. We put it on your TV platform. So your 30 channel cable package. Yeah, you put our channel there. And from our channel we get whatever percentage of views is total.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So if we got 3% and 3% of all the money you get minus your cut belongs to us. That makes sense, right?

Cristina: I think so. I don't know. I don't know how cable works.

Jack: Think of Spotify. How music plays.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's a billion trillion freaking songs on Spotify.

Cristina: Do they have advertisement on Spotify?

Jack: Yeah. Okay, but there's a billion trillion tracks on Spotify. And based on the total number of listens, whatever percentage of everything that is, you get that percent of the total money that comes in after Spotify takes its cut.

Cristina: Yeah. That's probably what cable does.

Jack: Yeah. So if Spotify makes a billion $100 million and they take 100 million as their cut, there's only a billion dollars left. But Eminem does 1% of all listens on The Internet on Spotify. Okay, so he gets, what, $10 million out of that?

Cristina: Okay, so it depends on, like, how well you did and everything. Okay, Right.

Jack: So he would. Because it's 1%. 1% equals 10 million. I'm assuming that's right. Boom, he has his cut. Because he was worth 1%.

Cristina: Yeah. You think he's worth 1%?

Jack: H*** no. H*** no. There's way too many.

Cristina: Too many.

Jack: Too much. The print. Like, if the percentage is such a small decimal, it'd be like three points down before you even have a digit.

Cristina: Yeah. There's probably no one at 1%.

Jack: There's nobody 1%.

Cristina: There's no way. There's too many artists.

Jack: That means out of all the artists in the world, you make up 1% of all the listens out of everything.

Cristina: No, that's crazy. No.

Jack: If you took every musician in the world that's on. I guess every musician that exists on Spotify, you broke them up into 99 groups that were evenly distributed. There'd be 7,000 people in that group. 7,000 people in that group. You know.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then there's just you alone as the 1% versus 7,000 times 99.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: H*** no. There's no f****** way.

Cristina: I don't think so. But I.

Jack: He's like 00, 0, 001 and still s******* on everybody else.

Cristina: Yes, but how is cable surviving? So cable.

Jack: I'm thinking the same s***.

Cristina: And radio are dying, though I have.

Jack: No idea how radio does it. I'm assuming the same thing too, but really, I don't know.

Cristina: And soon, what else should be dead next? I think our phones. Phone companies. Let's get rid of them.

Jack: Phone companies are going to die. And the problem with phone companies are it's also outdated. Apps make up for everything. And you could buy WI fi things so that you don't even need to pay for your phone.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Texting is a thing of the past.

Cristina: Our technology is not keeping up.

Jack: No, technology is not keeping up with how. Well, some technology. Here's the problem. The older technology is struggling. These are old people struggling.

Cristina: Things that we depended on.

Jack: Yes. People are struggling to let go.

Cristina: Yeah. Let go, man. Get the next new thing.

Jack: Kind of sort of. Yeah.

Cristina: The nano chip or whatever it's called.

Jack: No, that's exaggerated. But like the apps.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's worth Zoom and Skype and WhatsApp and Gmail, Google chats and all these things. All of them defeat you needing to pay for text messaging.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And if you can have something that carries wi Fi around. Then you've also defeated phone calls. You need needing data. No, because you can call through these apps.

Cristina: Okay, yeah, you can call and you.

Jack: Can text through these apps. You don't need to pay s*** on your phone company. Phone company should just get over it and just sell you Internet packages.

Cristina: Mm. That's it.

Jack: Just sell. Really convenient, beautifully priced, not crazy expensive Internet packages.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's it. Five dollars. You get three gigabytes of f******, like, great. Okay, that makes sense.

Cristina: Five dollars.

Jack: Everybody's doing everything on their phone. Not for a smartphone, for the service.

Cristina: Oh, yes. Yeah.

Jack: For the service that you'd put on a smartphone. And then, like, all you really need is the data. Or just say unlimited data. F*** it. Unlimited data. Do whatever.

Cristina: Yeah, unlimited data for five bucks. That sounds good.

Jack: You could be $10. It could be the price of, like, Netflix or some s***.

Cristina: $12.

Jack: That's the average, right? $12.

Cristina: The price is always hiring.

Jack: Not of Netflix specifically. Of all the services. If you were to put them, summarize together, like if you grab the average of all them, but some of them all. Yeah, it'd be like 12 bucks.

Cristina: Yeah. Mm.

Jack: So this Internet, unlimited Internet. 25. $12.

Cristina: $12, yeah.

Jack: Good. Now it's whose Internet is better? That becomes the argument. Now competition matters.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Our service is clear. You get signal most places. Boom. That's better. Now it matters.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Does your signal drop when you're in subway stations? Who has towers in subway stations? Now it matters. Now your $12 is better spent. How many places you gonna put those? $12. Everybody's gonna flock to whoever's best. Better be sweet with competition.

Cristina: That's great.

Jack: Yeah. We got to put it in train stations. It needs to be in planes. It needs to be here. It needs to be over there. In the middle of a cornfield, in the middle of nowhere. In the deserts, we need your phone.

Cristina: To work everywhere in the middle of cornfield.

Jack: Everywhere. Okay, everywhere. Whoever has the most coverage.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then again, companies could vary. Like, I don't want to put anything in the middle of cornfield. But then there's a company made by people who live in farmland.

Cristina: Yeah, but like, if you don't live in farmland, you don't need that cornfield.

Jack: Yeah, like, if you're never going to visit that s***, you don't need that thing. And maybe you could get add ons. Like, okay, city areas. Anywhere that's local towers. But for the further towers, you got pay a little extra. So anytime you're in a city, doesn't matter where in the world. You're in a city. Fine.

Cristina: Yes. But maybe better than ever or something.

Jack: Yeah. But let's say China, for example. Everything is f****** banned over there. It takes a little more work to put a tower in China.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So then we need you to pay extra to use the tower. That took us more money to put over there. Fair. But if you like going to Korea, like, that s***'s easy. They'll be like, whatever, put a tower over here, we need it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're probably the ones making the tower.

Cristina: Korea.

Jack: So, like, depending on circumstances, like, okay, we have towers in the desert, but took a lot of work. If you want to use those towers, you know, give us more money.

Cristina: Mm, that sounds good.

Jack: And people who live in the desert only pay for the desert towers. But if you want to go to the city, you know, you gotta pay.

Cristina: What?

Jack: I would like figuring out a way to do that.

Cristina: Well, if you don't travel, then it's no problem. You just pay that one price and that's fine.

Jack: Yeah, but that's interesting, actually, when you think about it, Right. Because we were over here talking about art, and then we're talking about, like, cell towers. Right. Technology is failing to adapt or whatever, but, like, that's an artist doing that.

Cristina: Doing what?

Jack: A person who designed the cell tower with practicality because it had to make sense. So the scientist decides, okay, this is what it got to look like. But then there's an architect, a designer.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This has to go into society.

Cristina: He's the artist.

Jack: And both artists is a collaborative effort.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They're just working with different kinds of art. Yeah, my art involves numbers. And I'm gonna make something beautiful, something complicated, something that didn't exist before. I'm gonna bring it into existence the same way, except we just call that math and science. But you sat down, you thought about something didn't exist. You brought it into reality. Put some notes down, and here's what my art looks like. Very abstract, numerical. And you're like, oh, wow. Complicated. Interesting. I like how you figured out this detail and that detail. But if this was a painting, you'd be like, oh, it's interesting how you made this part and that part over there. And it's a different kind of art, but it's so art. Everything is art.

Cristina: Yeah. So the science is art, the science is art.

Jack: And then. Well, think about it. The arts includes everything. Why is a Renaissance person including science?

Cristina: The Renaissance person.

Jack: Yeah. Renaissance people know how to play the instruments, and they can paint, they can draw, and they can sketch. But every single one of them was also an inventor. They were those gears turned the same.

Cristina: Okay, right.

Jack: The contraptions they made, the innovations that moved society forward at the speed of light.

Cristina: They had some science in them. Yeah.

Jack: It's not just art.

Cristina: Or. Or.

Jack: It is art.

Cristina: It is art.

Jack: It's literally just art. But everything is.

Cristina: Art is art.

Jack: Everything is art.

Cristina: Everything is art. Yeah.

Jack: My art is thoughts.

Cristina: Your specific art?

Jack: Yes. I love to work with a thought and make something complicated and show it to somebody and then be like, wow, that's a beautiful arts and philosophy. Thoughts, Words. There you go.

Cristina: Words or philosophy?

Jack: Both.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Philosophy in words.

Cristina: Yes. Is your art.

Jack: Yes. I like to turn thought into words. Alan Watts is my f****** hero. He turns thoughts into words, but he's a poet above all things. Like, he's an artist and he shows you some beautiful. And you're like, wow, this is an amazing mental image.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I put my art into your head, then you see it inside of you.

Cristina: His art is complicated.

Jack: His art is complicated.

Cristina: He is an artist for sure.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He paints you a beautiful picture inside of your head using nothing but words.

Cristina: Yes. And some scientists could do that too.

Jack: Some scientists could do that too. That was all of Einstein's entire goal. It was to convey it in such a way that you can get it. Michio Kaku is a great communicator as well.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He developed the art of communication. Keyword. The art of communication. That's why we say that about a lot of things.

Cristina: Art of communication. Yeah.

Jack: The art of firing a gun.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: Ever. You could attach that word to literally anything. The art of.

Cristina: The art of cooking.

Jack: The art.

Cristina: Cooking. Yeah.

Jack: Because everything, even shooting a gun. Well, look, the way he holds a gun in a particular way, his arm consumes some of the recoil, sending a shutter that keeps stability. It's beautiful how he does that and how he came up with this technique when usually I have a slightly left tilt and my hand consumes less of that. And there's art there. There's something to break apart. There's something to admire. The art of golf.

Cristina: Wait, can sports be seen as art? Yes.

Jack: All of it.

Cristina: All of it. Everything. Okay.

Jack: The Art of Charm, a beautiful podcast that teaches people how to be more socially active. But the word, the phrases, they've come up with. The art of charm. Just talking is an art.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, I gotta listen to that. That's pretty good.

Jack: Well, now it's.

Cristina: Oh, they changed.

Jack: Yeah. Art of charm is still existing, but now. Jordan Harbinger, show is where we go. Because Jordan Harbinger was the life of the art of charm, and he went and started his own show. So by the way, for anybody listening to this, if you are into podcasts about self improvement and just thinking outside the box and general information that helps you in life and success and business and relationships, the Jordan Harbinger show.

Cristina: He'll help.

Jack: Yeah, he is a great guy. His content is amazing. He is very intelligent, very charismatic, Very great lesson. So go check that out.

Cristina: I thought he was the art of the charm. He left it and it's got replaced with someone else. Or someone else was with him that whole time. I don't know.

Jack: Somebody else was with him, but there's another guy there too. Yeah. So I don't know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There were three of them to start with.

Cristina: Whoa. Okay.

Jack: But yeah, you can go follow that. But anyways, point being that communication in itself is an art. How you approach somebody. Flirting is an art.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The. And it's a difficult art. Like, arts are difficult, but some are more difficult than others. And like flirting. People don't get that.

Cristina: No, no, they don't. But communication is so difficult in itself.

Jack: Communication is one of the hardest arts.

Cristina: Yeah. I think you gotta at least be in some good level with that before you get to the flirting stage.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. But it's so many different branches in something. And the art of communication. Right. Because flirting is one of them. But conveying like philosophic ideas or conveying science without notations, that's hard for scientists. They don't know how to communicate. They understand the numbers in their head. But a lot of scientists don't have the art of communication.

Cristina: No. What? No, but man, everything is art.

Jack: Everything is art. And the idea remains the same. Art should make you feel something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And there are many feelings that we take for granted. But understanding is a feeling.

Cristina: So then how can there be something that you don't feel anything for?

Jack: That's interesting. Right? There should be. Because neutral. Is neutrality. A feeling would be the question.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: Do you feel neutral or are you neutral because you don't feel.

Cristina: That's complicated. Because everything would have to make you feel something no matter what.

Jack: Right. Because everything is art in.

Cristina: But like your phone. But you see all the time that it doesn't look like.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I got an example. Right.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So somebody's talking to you about science and you're just not interested. You're not pushing it away. You're not listening to it, but it's not registering Communication is still art and science is still art. But why aren't you connecting to it? That's neutrality. You felt nothing, so you can feel.

Cristina: But would you not be bored?

Jack: No. Because you're not bored. Bored would be being repelled by it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This sucks. You're feeling nothing. You're engaged, listening, and still not giving a f***.

Cristina: That's still something. There has to be something still there. I don't know. Because you're still engaged, so you at least find something entertaining, whether it's.

Jack: No. You could just be there listening and that's it.

Cristina: And feel nothing about it. I don't know.

Jack: I don't think you need to feel something about everything.

Cristina: You don't? I don't know. That's tough. That's tough.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because I feel like I feel something for everything.

Jack: But then you're using subjectivity rather than objectivity. There are people who literally feel nothing.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: I guess that wouldn't be possible.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If everything made you feel something, you wouldn't possibly have people who feel nothing. That would be impossible. Because everything would make you feel something. Even, like, the concept of lack of emotion would be impossible if just one.

Cristina: Person felt a bunch of things.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no. If everything was gonna make you feel something no matter what.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then you should never have a person who feels nothing. That would be impossible. But the fact that there could be people who feel nothing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Means that there are things to feel nothing about.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because even if. Well, I have zero motion. But art is gonna trigger motion no matter what. You have an unstoppable force and an unmoving object. Okay, that makes no sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We know for a fact there are people who feel nothing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So then the question is. We're debating one thing.

Cristina: So there's gotta be art that makes you feel nothing.

Jack: Yeah. If the unmoving object is the person who feels nothing, then art is not the unstoppable force. One of them has to cave.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And one of them is factual. The other one we're debating.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay, so not all art can make you feel anything. Boom. Solid argument.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Interesting. No.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: But yeah. So the goal of art is ultimately to make you feel something.

Cristina: Are we art right now? Is this art?

Jack: This is podcasting as art. Again, we're talking. And I said, ideas and words are my art.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I talk, I communicate, I paint a picture.

Cristina: But we're sending art into people's ears.

Jack: Yeah. Podcasting is an art form. Some suck, some are great.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It really depends. People who listen to us, like absurdism. They like that we put a weird performance of sorts that is really detached and kind of gets crazy from occasion to occasion.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But has logic and reason fueling it. Kind of like Rick and Morty to some degree. Like it's absurd and stupid.

Cristina: Yes. Like our Godzilla poop story.

Jack: Yeah. But it has underlying logic because all you're doing is using critical thinking and taking it to the next extreme with things that are totally irrational. You're just thinking rationally about irrational things.

Cristina: Okay. Yes.

Jack: That's all that's happening. But it is an art form. Not everybody can do it, and they would like to do it. And they hear us do it, and they're like, how interesting that he went there with the thing.

Cristina: Yes, it is interesting.

Jack: That is art.

Cristina: That is art. Okay. If you feel neutral about our art, let us know. Yeah.

Jack: I do believe my favorite style of art is music because it's really profound. And obviously, I think everybody's favorite style of art is music.

Cristina: You think everyone's favorite.

Jack: Everybody. There's nobody who like people who are actively making art or listening to music while doing it.

Cristina: That's true. Unless they don't listen to. I don't know who doesn't listen to music.

Jack: I'm sure there's somebody.

Cristina: Yes, there's somebody. But it's not. There's not many.

Jack: No, there's not many people. The vast majority of people listen to music. The vast majority.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And, like, not everybody's out there looking at paintings. Not everybody's out there looking at graffiti or tattoos. Not everybody's out there. But I would say that visual mediums tend to be like. TV is a huge one.

Cristina: It is a huge one. Movies, for some reason.

Jack: Yeah, Movies, video games.

Cristina: Yeah. But when it comes to music, I.

Jack: Feel like more people are into music than they are into tv.

Cristina: But the things that they like about the music is different, like, from one person to another. What stands out to them?

Jack: Why wouldn't that apply to tv?

Cristina: Yes. I guess. I mean, like. Like, you can hear one song and it would be different.

Jack: Right. And you can watch one show and get different things.

Cristina: Get different things.

Jack: 100%. Let's take breaking Bad, for example. We watch it and we see a complicated story about a man who went from being a teacher to being a drug addict or drug dealer. My bad. The drug dealer. And somebody else sits down and they see complex camera work. Somebody else sits down and they just see, regardless of the acting, the writing behind this is amazing. Somebody else comes down, sits, and it's like, wow. The expressions these characters give. Like, this guy is acting as pretty solid. They're not even paying attention to what the f*** is being said. They're like, wow, the way he conveyed that is amazing. It's just different ways to look at the same thing.

Cristina: Okay. Those are some weird ways. But they have to be paying attention to the story, though.

Jack: I'm sure in every instance, everybody's paying attention to the story. But also, you notice and aren't aware. You notice when an amazing camera effect happens. You're like, wow, that was crazy looking.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: So you're also looking at the things they're looking at.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because people are focusing on different points.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Some people like the adrenaline of Breaking Bad. Some people like the story of Breaking Bad.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Some people are there, like, boring episode, Boring episode, Boring episode. Every season finale. Wow. Crazy. Because the crazy cliffhangers and the s***.

Cristina: That happens happens with Walking Dead to.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: People like the drama. Some people get the. The drama is the boring part.

Jack: Exactly, Exactly. Some people are there for the action. Some people there for the story. Some people there for the camera work. Some people are there for the writing. Some people were there to see amazing scenery as well. The detail they put into that scene. That's crazy looking.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's. Art is for everybody and different for everybody. Simultaneous.

Cristina: It's different for everyone. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: So I think definitely music is my favorite. And. I don't know, depends on the musician too, what I'm looking for in a song, because, like, I understand. I. I'm really good at compartmentalizing things, so I don't need everybody to do everything. Like, I know an Eminem track has toss away beats.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But so does the Lil Wayne track, because one dude's just being a poet and the other one's all being a different kind of poet, I guess. But like wordplay. One is being technical with his writing, the other one's being very vivid with his writing. Both original, completely different ways. Double triple entendres with Eminem and complicated metaphors with Lil Wayne.

Cristina: And then what's Andre doing?

Jack: He's flowing over a song. So you need the beat for Andre because that's mad flow. But also, if you took the beat away from Andre, it would sound like there's a beat because of how he flows.

Cristina: So he doesn't really need a beat.

Jack: He doesn't really need a beat. He is the. The beat. His whole s*** is flow. There's nobody with more flow than Andre.

Cristina: Yeah, but when it comes to other styles of music, you wouldn't be looking for these type of things.

Jack: Well, it depends on the musician. For Jack White, not only does he have really intricate, amazing, well thought out beats that he's usually the one making, but his word plays up there. He has tricks with his vocal. Liz. Asian. Like, not just. I mean, no vocalization, because the singing is amazing too. But he's writing. What he's saying is so clever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Same way with, like, Arctic Monkeys.

Cristina: That's way more clever. Yeah.

Jack: Alex Turner is being a poet the way Lil Wayne is just metaphor after metaphor after metaphor after metaphor. Unique ones, too. That phone by the Arctic Monkeys on the Tranquility Hotel and Casino album.

Cristina: Oh, Hotel. And that album is like, what?

Jack: Yeah, the album is freaking amazing.

Cristina: That's complicated in its own.

Jack: But then you look at somebody like Kendrick and all of the above is in there. Everything, Everything. Everybody's everything. The best of the best of the best of everything is in his work.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, he himself isn't like, the best at wordplay. Eminem is.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And he himself isn't the best of metaphors. Lil Wayne is. He himself doesn't have the best flow. Andre does. But he has all his thoughts at 9 if everybody else has him at 10.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And if Eminem has 10 on wordplay, his metaphors are, like, out of 7. But Kendrick still has his metaphors at 9. And if Lil Wayne has metaphors at 10 and his wordplay at 7, well, Andre still has his wordplay at 9. And so if Andre. Did I say Andre Trice. Kendrick. Well, whatever. Kendrick. In all of these instances, I was saying Kendrick. I don't know if I was saying Kendrick. But anyways, if Andre has his flow at 10 and his wordplay and his metaphor is at 7, well, Kendrick still has his flow.

Cristina: All of it at nine.

Jack: All of it at nine. He's like, collectively better.

Cristina: He's not your favorite.

Jack: No, my favorite B. Eminem wordplay is so genius because Kendrick as an artist is better. He. The amount of producers on one track to make it sync up with him. Like, you couldn't separate Kendrick from the beat because it would fall apart.

Cristina: So you think once he leaves the people he's working with, though, he could.

Jack: Just hire other people.

Cristina: Mmm. Yeah.

Jack: They probably constantly rotating. Yeah, I doubt that the same 12 producers are always the same 12 producers. Like, it's probably just different producers doing different tricks.

Cristina: Crazy amount of tricks. I mean, it's because there's a crazy amount of producers.

Jack: So, yeah, everybody's got a thing they do, and they all throw their little special Sauce into a Kendrick track.

Cristina: Yes. He's amazing.

Jack: Yeah, his old tracks are great. Everything is amazing in his work.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But like, that's really high quality art. And we look at somebody like Alex Gray painting visionary paintings.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Amazing.

Cristina: Complicated, complicated.

Jack: What do people get out of that? People look at that in different ways. Some people feel a spiritual connection to something greater looking at his art, because they see a visual of what they were trying to reason in their heads to begin with. He paints a human body and he paints the energy you feel when you do something like DMT or LSD going through your veins and that sort of cold, hot feeling that you get on the surface of your skin and all those little tiny little details that he's.

Cristina: Able to paint that.

Jack: Yeah, and he paints that vividly. And then you see and you're like, oh, wow. He. He caught it. He caught the thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The thing I couldn't put into words in a million years. He got it different to what Alan Watts does. He's conveying a philosophic idea while Alex Gray painted a sensation you had that is crazy.

Cristina: A sensation you had. Yeah. What?

Jack: You trip and you see Earth as part of the universe and you as part of the Earth and a tree as part of you. And there's a little painting that's all of the above. It's a tree that grows into a person that's part of Earth and is the universe or something like that. Yeah, it's like just stuff he does. He brings out that thing you saw and didn't make sense in your head.

Cristina: Because he saw it. Dude.

Jack: Swapped right up to the gate.

Cristina: There's no way.

Jack: I'm telling you, Alan Watts, Alex Gray, and Albert Einstein all walked up to the gate.

Cristina: You think Albert Einstein?

Jack: No, definitely not. Okay, I know Alan Watts probably did.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He saw some s*** he should not have seen and came back with it. And I don't know how, and so did Alex. I don't want the h*** Alex saw. But what he saw was crazy because he paints him crazy. Some of his paintings are really dark.

Cristina: They are.

Jack: Yeah. He has a lot of really, really dark art.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Not all of it, but some of them. All crazy dark.

Cristina: Like Silent Hill dark.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah. Cuz it's the good and the bad of tripping.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So if you've ever thought you were the devil or saw the devil, or your f****** body's melting or something that's there.

Cristina: My body's melting. That is a horrible, horrifying experience. What? Yeah.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Alex Grey's Crazy like that. Art in general is very amazing. Like that.

Cristina: The guy. What is my calendar? What's his name? Salvador Dali.

Jack: Salvador Dali's amazing.

Cristina: His pictures are melting. I don't know what his paintings. They look like people melting sometimes.

Jack: His paintings are. Because he's surrealist artist. Right. So it's just a bunch of weird things. You're like, well, it's kind of like this, but it's not. And it's like, not really that either. And it's like, it'll be a woman who's building.

Cristina: I don't tell what it is, but it looks disturbing in some way.

Jack: No, not necessarily tell what it is because, I mean, I guess, sort of. But it doesn't necessarily have to be disturbing. Like, there's a woman who's a building.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But she doesn't look like a building. But she does look like a building.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like she's just a woman. She looks just like a woman. But also she looks just like a building. But she doesn't look like a woman who looks like a building or like a building who looks like a woman. It just depends on which perspective you're looking at at any given moment. That it's just a building or it's just a woman.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That skill.

Cristina: That is. That's so crazy. I don't know how he did that.

Jack: I don't know how he does any of his stuff.

Cristina: Was he also doing. What did you say?

Jack: Oh, man, he. If he did drugs, he did something that was very, very different. Because what you see with Alex Gray is, like, acid type of s*** is like, dmt, like mushrooms, that kind of stuff. Psychedelics. If Salvador Dali took drugs to get where he got.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He was doing some f***** drugs.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because it's a weird breakdown of things. It would have been like. It could have been heroin. It could have been heroin. It could have been.

Cristina: There's always, like, ants everywhere.

Jack: They could totally have been heroin. Could have been meth.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

Jack: It could have been any of those f*** drugs.

Cristina: What? That's so. I mean, who knows?

Jack: Could have been alcohol.

Cristina: It could have been alcohol.

Jack: F***. Ton of alcohol. Where s*** becomes unstable and kind of looks sort of like everything else.

Cristina: Yeah. Mmm. That's an interesting one. If it was alcohol.

Jack: Yeah. There's a couple of factors that could have led to his stuff being the way it is.

Cristina: Yeah. Or he's just super normal. I don't know. But his things. I don't know. It's just. It looks so strange to see something and it could be two different things. Yeah, it's like Eminem rapping in his three different things.

Jack: Yeah, well, he's mad skilled, I guess. Yeah. The interesting, interesting. I like that comparison. The Salvador Dali's art is like an Eminem song.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's several things layered on top of each other, and you're gonna see one of them and miss the other until you realize the other is even there.

Cristina: Like there was. I think it was elephants, but they were actually geese. Depending on how you were looking at it. Yeah.

Jack: If you flip the painting upside down.

Cristina: Yeah. What?

Jack: That's genius.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's skill. I don't know how the h***. I have no idea how he worked these things in his head. Salvador Dali. You guys need to go look at some art from Salvador Dali. Google it. Look at some images. Google Alex Gray. Look at some images. Listen to songs by Kendrick Lamar, by Eminem, by Lil Wayne, by Andre 3000. Go look at some architecture. Go look at some science notations. Read general relativity. So you can.

Cristina: You want everyone to become Renaissance men.

Jack: Yeah. Read general relativity. Listen to Alan Watts lectures.

Cristina: Paint, paint.

Jack: Do a little of everything.

Cristina: Yeah. Do everything.

Jack: Yeah. Anyways, I guess that's what art is. And now you guys know. We've taught you guys what art is because you didn't know. You didn't know before. Now we've told you what art is. You thought art was a painting and nothing else. Well, no, you're walking on art. You're breathing art.

Cristina: You gotta now make some art.

Jack: Cuz even nature made art.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because anything you make is art.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The question is, can art be made by accident? Yeah, it could. It could. Definitely. We had that at the beginning.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: It happened by accident. Art does not have to be intentional.

Cristina: Does that mean that we were. By accident?

Jack: Yes, everything. Everything. Anyways, if you guys want to hear more things of this nature. I'm not sure if we break down art, but we do talk about different kinds of art, like music.

Cristina: And we talk to artists.

Jack: We talk to artists. We literally talk to artists. Yes. We got Renee Schuller on the show. Musicians.

Cristina: Musicians. Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

Jack: Directors, whatever. Just look at the show. Go through our catalog of See things, and you can find all those things on the official website, greatthoughts.info or on Apple podcasts, Spotify, or anywhere you get your podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok @JustConvopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Cristina: And let someone who might like this show know about it?

Jack: Yeah, word of mouth. Extremely overpowered. People get blown away when you talk to them about the show, and you're like, hey, there's a show and you might like the show, so go listen to the show.

Cristina: And then seven days later, you die from cancer. Yeah, I don't have.

Jack: I don't know how long. I mean, you know, like 10 years later. It doesn't matter. Something like that. You'd live long enough to regret listening, at least. And also, you can find me on the stereo app having conversations with people, random strangers. All the time.

Cristina: All the time.

Jack: All the time. I'm just talking to strangers. Jumping on. You should check it out. Just to listen to other people talk. There's podcasts that happen exclusively on that app.

Cristina: When they follow you, though, do old conversations show up on that app?

Jack: Yes, they're all saved.

Cristina: Oh, that's so awesome. Okay, go listen to that.

Jack: Yes, you can hear all the old conversations. It's a whole other thing of content.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Yes, you can go listen to all the old conversations I've had of which are very trolly. And you can. You'll get notified. Make sure to turn those notifications on or whatever YouTubers say.

Cristina: Whatever the.

Jack: And you'll know when I jump on, I'm talking to somebody. So. Yeah.

Cristina: Yes. Go follow him. And this has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: So the lesson is that Dougie ing is a dance.

Cristina: It's just a dance.

Jack: But the Dougie. Because I heard somebody say, she showed me the Dougie. Actually, I think it was Eminem. She showed me the Dougie. Or some rapper. She showed me the Dougie.

Cristina: Maybe he really meant the dance.

Jack: I think the Dougie met her cooch. Her cooter.

Cristina: Her Cooter. Why would she name it that?

Jack: I don't think she named her Cooter. The Dougie. I think the Dougie is slang for cooter. I don't know how cooterlicious.

Cristina: No.

Jack: What do you mean, no?

Cristina: I don't think so. None of that makes sense.

Jack: The Dougie. She showed me the Dougie.

Cristina: She did not show him the Dougie.

Jack: Google it. She showed me the Dougie.

Cristina: No. Okay, I will, though.

Jack: Google. She showed me the Dougie. Showed you said she should.

Cristina: She should. She should.

Jack: She showed me the.

Cristina: Is that how you spelled it?

Jack: Yeah. Eminem Book of rhymes.

Cristina: Oh, okay. She showed me the doggy. Can I get a witness? I don't know. She danced in front of him. That's all I can think of. I don't think she showed him her v*****.

Jack: I talked to your mother. She told me she loved me. All she want to do is just hold me and hug me. Wants nobody but me. She showed me the Dougie. Can I get a witness, like notary public? Preach. She said, kick some fly s***. Fly s***. I said, I got wings on my a**. Told her my d***'s a cockpit.

Cristina: So she showed him a dance. That's all I got from that.

Jack: Nah, I think. I think they f*****. I think he f*****.

Cristina: Yeah, after.

Jack: No, I think he f***** your mom is what he's saying.

Cristina: Yeah, after she danced for him, he was like, okay. Like, she did a sexy dance.

Jack: All she want to do is hold me and hug me once. Nobody but me. She showed me the Dougie. I can get a wit. Can I get a witness, like notary public? Sure. I think. I think Dougie means cooter. She showed me the Dougie. Show me her v*****. Her v*****. And then we done.

Cristina: Nah, she danced for him and then they.

Jack: You guys heard it here. The hot take. Dougie means cooter, and Cooter means v*****.

Cristina: That's not a hot take.

Jack: That's a hot take.

Cristina: That's not a hot take.

Jack: What does hot take mean?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Boom. That's hot take.

Cristina: It's not hot.

Jack: That's steaming. That's on fire. On fire. It's a hot.

Cristina: It's a dance. She danced for him and he was so impressed. They had sex?

Jack: No, she showed him her cooter and he showed her his cockpit. And they did the Do. They do. Dude.

Cristina: Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Colazzo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts info, art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

August 28, 2021

JCP 5.08 Polite Disagreements & Inherent Morality

August 28, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

Guest Greg, host of the Polite Disagreements Podcast, joins Jack to discuss everything from why Game of Thrones is great to which superpowers would be best and the secret to all the questions of the universe.

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Game of Thrones
Podcasting
History of Polite Disagreements
Apocalypse Survival
Vaccines
Thought Experiments
Baby Shaking
Baby Disposal
Parenting License
Superhero Power
Atom Collider
Time Linearity
Is there a God
Morality
42
Consciousness

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June 25, 2021

JCP 5.06 Tales of Duality & Global Consciousness

June 25, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

Guest Jesus Pagan returns to discuss everything from creativity, spirituality, theology, chaos theory and more.

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Topics Discussed:

Chaos Theory
Writing
Netflix Productions
Anime
Philosophy
Spiritualism
Creationism
Reality

Jesus Pagan Links: Instagram https://instagram.com/tales_of_duality

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June 05, 2021

Rambling 131: Mythological Beasts

June 05, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

mythological beats, just conversation, podcast, radio, pokemon, mythology, science, comedy, conspiracy theory

Do black cats have magical abilities? Does any animal have magical abilities? If so, which ones and how did they acquire these abilities to begin with? The duo unpacks the magic of black cats and the folklore in which certain Pokemon are based on this episode of Just Conversation.

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Black Cats
Witches
Pirates
Storm Troopers
General Grievous
Pokemon
Magical Foxes
Mythical Creatures
God Fox

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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Cristina: Welcome to Just Conversations, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

Cristina: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notifications the second new episodes are released.

Jack: Yes. And also, this show is most enjoyable with the listening partner. So be sure to find somebody in the middle of the woods that was just wandering in a casual pace and stop them. Hold your phone out while the show is playing and say, hey, this is just conversation in the woods. In the woods.

Cristina: And you're gonna what?

Jack: Yeah, you can be playing it on your phone. Maybe Spotify. Cause that's where podcasts happen these days. Because Apple's being beat out.

Cristina: Yes. And.

Jack: And so on Spotify, you're gonna. You're gonna podcast, you can play the podcast and you're gonna. I guess if you have it on Apple anywhere, you have the podcast, you can find the podcast anywhere. So go there, play it on your phone. Presumably you can play. I mean, you could bring your computer, you're gonna bring your laptop into the woods, playing the podcast with a boombox on the side that it's connected to.

Cristina: That's mad work.

Jack: Hey, it's gonna work.

Cristina: I feel like people hearing that would just walk away from it.

Jack: If they hear a conversation happening and it's very entertaining, they're probably going to try to find out where it's coming from.

Cristina: Is it nighttime?

Jack: No, it could be in daylight.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They just think, wow, this is really cool. There's somebody having, like a really loud, odd conversation.

Cristina: That is very strange. But be careful in those woods because what if there are, I don't know, black cats in the woods?

Jack: Black cats?

Cristina: Where do black cats come from? Are there wild black cats?

Jack: I would. Of course. Why wouldn't there be? There's.

Cristina: In the woods, there's wild cats.

Jack: I'm sure there's like actual. Just cats, like domesticated cats in the woods.

Cristina: I can't. I don't know. I don't know how. If there's.

Jack: I'm sure, Look, I'm sure it happened like there were cats. There were normal cat, like, big lion things that we tamed and turned into little kitty cats. And then after we had so many of them. They're everywhere.

Cristina: They're everywhere.

Jack: They're everywhere. Everybody lives somewhere with a f*** ton of just wild cats, but they're the domesticated Version of the cat that lives amongst people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Those can still live in the woods or you could still run across like a lynx or some s***. Just casual, tiny, big cat.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, be careful. I guess be careful of that lynx, but whatever. We're worried about black cats right now. Be careful that black cat. Because it can steal your luck. Is that what it does?

Jack: What black cats?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They're allegedly bad luck.

Cristina: Yeah. If they walk away from you, they steal your luck.

Jack: If they walk away from you.

Cristina: I don't. This is a weird way. Like if they walk away from you because that means that they were next to you. But if they come to you, you get good luck. So I don't know how it works.

Jack: Yeah. I don't understand why is it that it coming? So it's the reaper of luck next to you, I guess the reaper of luck.

Cristina: It's the reaper of luck.

Jack: While the grim reaper is the reaper of souls. Or we could say Grimm is the reaper of souls. He comes towards you to either deliver a soul or leaves extracting a soul.

Cristina: And the cat's doing that one.

Jack: The cat would be the same. It's the black cat is the reaper of luck.

Cristina: But how is it walking away from you? Like that means it came by you, gave you good luck, and then walked away to take away the luck.

Jack: I guess the other way would be if you walked up to a black cat. So the goal should be never walk up to a black cat. Always let it come to you. Which is a very cat like thing to do anyways. You don't want to follow the cat.

Cristina: Unless they learn that this is what you're trying to do. Because cats are evil. If they know this is what you're thinking, somehow they're just gonna do the opposite of what you want. No matter what it is that you want, they're gonna do the opposite.

Jack: Yes, that is definitely the case.

Cristina: That's a very cat thing to do.

Jack: Yeah. Cats like to flip everybody off all day.

Cristina: Yeah. So there's Some people think that black cats are bad luck. Some people think they're good luck. The Celtics believe that black cats were sacred. I don't know if they were worshipping the black cats or what were they doing, but they were sacred to those people.

Jack: Yeah. I think they were sacred to the Egyptians as well.

Cristina: Oh, that's cool. They were probably seen as gods there too or something.

Jack: I think so. I think so. Anubis is consistently shown as some sort of cat guy.

Cristina: Yeah. Yes, he is right. One of them as a black cat. Right.

Jack: As a black cat. Yeah.

Cristina: So there's a thing there. And in Scottish lore, black cats, when they come to a new home, it means prosperity. I guess if you adopt a black cat, you're going to get some good luck happening. That's prosperity, right? Good luck still? Yeah, I guess with money, maybe. Yeah, yeah. In Welsh lore, black cats bring good health, but in England, black cats are related to witches and bring bad luck. And sometimes they think the witches, the black cats are the witches, like they somehow transform into people or people transform into cats.

Jack: I wonder where this comes from because like all these creature transforming things, like Dracula becomes a bat.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What the f*** is that about?

Cristina: I think he also becomes a wolf. Wolf.

Jack: Dracula.

Cristina: I think so. I think he turns into many things.

Jack: I think we actually established he's just. Yeah, I think we just. Yeah, he's f******. He turns into just totally non living s*** as well. So I think we established that he's just some sort of shapeshifter. So I guess it doesn't matter.

Cristina: Yeah. So witches are just.

Jack: They're using magic to shapeshift. They can do whatever. F*** too. Yeah, yeah, fair enough.

Cristina: Were they using the same magic that vampires are using?

Jack: Yeah. My question is, is a vampire using magic or is it. Does he. Is it a f******. Just shapeshifter? He's a shapeshifter.

Cristina: Then are wishes, even wishes, like, we're calling them magical beings. But what if they're just shapeshifters that we're calling magical? But you know, they're just shapeshifting, they're just doing what they naturally do, which is.

Jack: Well, that would be wrong because we're assuming they're like, you could become a witch with just practice and training.

Cristina: No, but the ones that they're seeing that are turning into cats, those are.

Jack: The ones that we'd be talking about. If the logic would be, in theory, you could grab a couple of Wiccan books, go home, practice for the next year, meet me in a year and be like, look, I'm gonna turn into a cat.

Cristina: What? Yes, I wanna do that witchy s***.

Jack: That should. That would be the logic. So you're still human. You're not not human just because you're witch.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You just know you're human, who knows magic.

Cristina: But with the black cat on pirate ships, they believe the opposite of black cats, that if they walk towards you, they're bringing bad luck. But if they're from you, they're giving you good luck. And whenever a black cat walks onto a ship.

Jack: Wait, wait, wait. In both Cases, they walk towards you. What?

Cristina: No, the first one is walk. If it walks towards you, it's bringing you bad luck, and if it walks away from you, it's bringing you good luck.

Jack: Okay?

Cristina: And if it walks onto a ship and then walks out of the ship, the ship is gonna sink.

Jack: And. Okay, so let's say a cat did that and the ship didn't sink. Then what?

Cristina: Maybe it wasn't really a black cat. I don't know.

Jack: And, like, why does the cat's fur affect the universe?

Cristina: Because I guess that's just people's superstition about the color black.

Jack: Why did that happen, though? Right?

Cristina: Well, black became evil, and white became black.

Jack: Black evil. And, like, red is a close second.

Cristina: Red is close second. What?

Jack: Red eyes.

Cristina: Red eyes.

Jack: Oh, yeah, the red lightsaber.

Cristina: The red lightsaber. Oh, okay, yes.

Jack: Darth Vader's both. He's black with a red lightsaber.

Cristina: Oh, crap. He's the ultimate evil. What? But I guess all the evil guys are in black with red lasers. Besides the, like, losers that are in white.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. They all have red.

Cristina: Oh, but they don't have lightsabers.

Jack: Who? The.

Cristina: The ones in white.

Jack: The stormtroopers.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: I mean, they're bad guys. I know, but at the beginning, they were good guys. They were only white because they were lying.

Cristina: What?

Jack: They were. They're part of the bad side, so.

Cristina: They were wearing white.

Jack: Well, they're neither good nor bad. They are soldiers, okay? And their orders were, you help these people until you get different orders. And then they did get different orders.

Cristina: To not help those people tonight just.

Jack: Kill all of them. It's like, we're soldiers. This is what we do. We don't question it. We just do it.

Cristina: Was. What's his name? Darth Vader, when he was a young kid and he was training, was his lifesaver black? I mean, red or.

Jack: I believe he had a green one or blue one.

Cristina: Does it change colors once you become evil, though? Or do you just get a new lifesaver?

Jack: I think they gave him a new lightsaber.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Because I was wondering, like, does the lifesaver know you're evil or good or whatever? Because then you could just take the lightsaber away if you know that the person's evil if they get interesting.

Jack: Interesting point, because the idea here is I remember that they picked up the other's lightsaber. I believe Anakin. I believe Obi dropped his lightsaber, and Anakin picked it up, and then he had a blue And a green lightsaber. So, like, they didn't both become green or both become blue. It wasn't him projecting the color.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. So this is just a fashion choice. And then guys and bad guys are.

Jack: General Grievous, who's some sort of robot thing with four arms, picked up their lightsabers. Or actually he was wielding lightsabers from dead Jedi, and they were still blue and green along with his red ones.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Or he had no red ones. I think he killed people for all of them. Okay, so he had two blue ones and two green ones.

Cristina: He can do the same magic trick stuff.

Jack: I don't think General Grievous has the.

Cristina: Force, but he can use the Lifesavers.

Jack: Yes. I. I'm not really sure how the. That. I never really thought. This is so many holes in this garbage. Oh, my God.

Cristina: And we don't really know everything about Is general stuff.

Jack: Oh, man. I gotta look this up at some point.

Cristina: He might be a. What are they called?

Jack: He's some sort of Jedi thing. Yeah. Like, maybe he's not all robot androids be. I'm just assuming he has some humanity.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Yes, I think so. In Japan, though, ladies that are single get black cats because they think it brings them luck with dates and stuff. Like, they'll get more dates if they have a black cat.

Jack: That's interesting. I don't know why that would be the case.

Cristina: I don't know. Because they think black cats are good luck with love. Like the other place thought with health, and another place was, like, with money.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Black cats are needed to go hunting for treasure in Chile from a creature called the carbuncle. It's some magical creature. It looks like a cat or a dog or fireflies. And it's glowy, and it might have a gem that glows on it. There's like a bunch of different descriptions of what it looks like. Kind of like the Loch Ness Monster, where it's just. It looks like something similar to this. Like, they're all describing something that's somewhat similar, I guess, but not really to.

Jack: The Loch Ness monster.

Cristina: No, like in the Loch Ness monster stories, they were like that. Like, some of them saw it. It had a long neck. Some of them were like. No, it had. I don't know, like, the descriptions of the. When we did the Loch Ness monsters, there's a bunch of different descriptions of the creature.

Jack: Those descriptions were pretty similar.

Cristina: Well, the one that was. They saw outside of the car. They saw it outside of the car. And it looked. It sounded like more, I think, like an Alex Gator or something.

Jack: Outside of the car.

Cristina: Yeah. Or a motorcycle or something. They were just driving by the place and they just saw it on the street.

Jack: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like sunbathing or some s*** or something.

Cristina: Yeah. And I don't think that one just. It was described similar to the other ones.

Jack: Yeah. But I feel like the, like, 99.99% of the other ones are kind of the same s***.

Cristina: This one, I guess it's. Whatever. It's very varied of the description except that it's glowy. That's the only thing that they all seem to have in common.

Jack: Can hunt the glowing thing?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because of the cat's glowing eyes.

Cristina: The cat's glowing eyes.

Jack: You ever seen a cat in the dead of dark?

Cristina: Oh, yes. I don't know. Because it has to be specifically a black cat. I don't know why?

Jack: Because black cat powers, man.

Cristina: Black cat powers. Yes. If you want to catch a carbuncle, you want to see a picture of a carbuncle, though. It's a very cute little creature right there. Look at it. It's adorable. It has a gem on its head.

Jack: It looks something between like Jolteon from Pokemon and a Phoenix Fox.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, it does. And it is adorable, right?

Jack: It's basically a Pokemon.

Cristina: Yes. Wouldn't you want to catch that yourself?

Jack: Catching any Pokemon is slavery and kind of abuse.

Cristina: Wouldn't it be like catching a pet or something? Are you saying pets are like that? I don't know, because I'm not talking about catching it and then battling people with your kabunkulo.

Jack: You're talking about putting. Crushing it into a sphere. No, a sphere that is roughly the size of a Pokeball.

Cristina: I don't mean about catching it like a Pokeball with a Pokeball. I mean catching it like, I don't know, with. In a cage cave into some sort.

Jack: Of mythical creature or some s***.

Cristina: Yes. But they think it's real. Okay.

Jack: This is like a Chupacabra.

Cristina: This is the Chupacabra of Chile. And to get the treasure of this is very complicated. And I'm going to share with you how to do this, because it's crazy, but it's awesome. It's crazy awesome. Okay, you see this creature? What you got to do is throw a lasso at it. Then it will disappear with a lasso, and then you got to come back in the morning to see where the lasso is, because it's going to be buried in the Ground, but with a little bit of it sticking out. And you'll know that's where the treasure is. Sort of.

Jack: Because not really the treasure is where the. So you can't catch a creature.

Cristina: No, sadly, this is just for the treasure that the creature has.

Jack: Okay. Now this is some sort of cat thing itself. It's like a fox.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why does it have treasure?

Cristina: It's like the leprechaun, I guess.

Jack: The leprechaun is like a person, so.

Cristina: No, it's not. It's a fairy creature thing. Ghost. It's pretty complicated.

Jack: Pretty self aware. Consciously, like humanoid.

Cristina: So maybe this thing is the same too.

Jack: It just doesn't look it, I guess, but I guess, sure, sure.

Cristina: It looks like a fairy. Who knows it's a fairy.

Jack: It does not look like a fairy. It looks like a fox.

Cristina: It looks like a magical fairy fox thing. Okay.

Jack: Looks like a pretty plain fox.

Cristina: Okay. With the gem on its head.

Jack: Yeah. We'll assume fur colored differently.

Cristina: Okay, well, this fox thing has treasure for some reason. Maybe it just. I don't know why you would have treasure. Maybe like shiny things. It collects shiny things. Like the thing on its head.

Jack: Like birds.

Cristina: Oh, like birds. Yeah.

Jack: Maybe you don't find it in a.

Cristina: Box because it would be weird if you actually find the treasure and it's in a treasure box. Oh, I think it is in a treasure box. Never mind. It's in a treasure box. You do find it in a treasure box. That's amazing. This is a magical fox thing. I don't know. Oh, yes, but. So you go there in the morning, you see the rope, you gotta leave. Well, you don't have to leave. You should leave though, because what you'll need next is a new shovel and a widow. And she has to be holding a black cat.

Jack: A widow, yes.

Cristina: This is part of the plan. I don't know how they came up with this plan.

Jack: Get to the gold.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The treasure. Didn't you already find where the treasure is?

Cristina: It's more complicated than that. That's where it's gonna be.

Jack: Except that it's not there yet.

Cristina: It's not there at all. It was there maybe. And then I guess this cat is magical. So it moves the treasure to different spots, underground, on the ground until it gets tired of using its magic to move it. And then it's there. I guess that's how it goes. That's how I think it works. Because. Okay, so with the new shovel, you're gonna dig that hole and then you're gonna throw the cat in the hole.

Jack: So you can bury the cat in the hole.

Cristina: No. And then the cat's gonna disappear. And then while you're digging the next hole, the cat's gonna reappear in the old lady's hand.

Jack: And the old lady's not gonna freak out.

Cristina: I'm guessing she knows. She's been through this a lot. I don't know how. Like maybe the first time.

Jack: Every town has an old lady whose job it is to hold a cat.

Cristina: The black cat. Yep.

Jack: When you're looking for gold because of some sort of demon fairy fox thing.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know how the first. Like, how they came up with this crazy plan in the first place that worked out like this. They must have tried a million other things right before they thought, like, What? It was this random old widow lady. Like, how did they come get that stuff? How did they get the cat? Did they try dogs? Did they try young girls? Did they try little boys?

Jack: Like, interesting.

Cristina: How many? Okay, so they got. You got the old lady, you got the cat. You keep digging holes, you throw the cat in. Eventually you'll hit the right spa.

Jack: Like, just go rob a bank. It's. It's that era where that's easy to do. What I feel like it would be less steps and you have more chances of succeeding. All these steps and that treasure might not even, like, be great.

Cristina: Yes. And also, if you show any fear, you'll be poisoned when you open the box.

Jack: Sweet. So you'll also die.

Cristina: See? See, It's. It's definitely a treasure. I don't know it's worth risking your life for, but I'm. I'm guessing it's really cool. Like, what would this little ador. Terrible thing be hiding? It must be amazing. It's gotta be. Maybe it's his puppies.

Jack: Maybe it's not even. Maybe it's just garbage. Hoarding garbage sticks.

Cristina: Sticks.

Jack: You open it as it sticks.

Cristina: That's so disappointing.

Jack: It's treasure, not your treasure.

Cristina: Oh, that's. That's crappy. And how did it get the poison in the box?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: That only knows. Like, it knows when you're fear. When you're showing fear, when you're digging holes and then the poison let out. This is. There's a lot of magic happening here with this creature.

Jack: Yeah, it seems to be the case.

Cristina: Yes. So I wonder how they even came up with this weird way of catching it.

Jack: Whoever thinks magic is. Whoever thinks this creature even exists is prone to just crazy s***. So they just like, stack like 12 different superstitions on top of each other.

Cristina: Yes. Also part of the. Besides, if you have any fear, you'll die, of course. But if you don't throw the cat in the hole, you can also die. You have to throw the cat in the hole.

Jack: Even if it won't stay in the hole.

Cristina: Even if it don't. Yeah. Because it's gonna, you know, disappear anyway or whatever. But yes. And you said that thing looks like what again?

Jack: Like a Phoenix Fox.

Cristina: Like a Phoenix Fox. But it reminded you of a Pokemon.

Jack: Jolteon.

Cristina: Jolteon? Why?

Jack: Jolteon kinda looks like Jolteon or Flareon. Flambo is one of the eons.

Cristina: Well, I'm going to say that it's based on. Or I guess the Pokemon that's based on it is Espeon.

Jack: Espeon doesn't have a diamond in its head.

Cristina: It doesn't?

Jack: Oh, Espeon does. I was thinking, for whatever reason, Vaporeon.

Cristina: And it's a psychic.

Jack: Yeah. And I don't know if that fluffy tail like this thing.

Cristina: Well, we don't know what its tail really looks like.

Jack: The one who does have a fluffy tail is Flareon.

Cristina: Yeah, that's true. But it's a psychic. Can we describe these powers as psychic? I don't know. When you have magic powers, is that psychic?

Jack: No.

Cristina: No. Okay, we'll just say that the diamond is what makes it look Espeon.

Jack: Yeah, because otherwise it looks like Flareon.

Cristina: Yeah. And there's another. There's. If so, Espeon is probably based on that, but also another creature, another from another mythology, which is a Japanese one called the Nekomata. And this creature has. It's a cat. It's a really. When your cat gets super duper, duper old instead of, I guess, dying, it just. Its tail will split up into. And then it becomes evil. It becomes evil and wants to eat you.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Yes. That's what the Neca Mata is. There are two types of neck omadas. There's one that lives in the mountain. The mountain ones have eyes like a cat and a body of a dog, which is, I guess, very scary. I don't know, because. What's the. What about the face? No, I think it has the body of a dog. So it has probably the face of a dog with a cat eyes. I don't know if that's really that scary. But they describe it as a beast. I don't know if you think of that as a beast.

Jack: I mean, a beast is anything that's not human.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Well, I guess dogs Are beasts everything that's not human. Oh, okay. So, yes. Well, this beast is very dog like, even though it's a cat. They eat humans and they live deep in the mountains, and they also shapeshift.

Jack: Into humans because everything shape shifts into humans.

Cristina: Yes. And then the other type that I told you already was the domestic cat, Nekomata, which is just a cat that grows old, and for some reason, its tail splits up into two. And that is what Espeon has, if you notice. Its tail is two. Has two tails.

Jack: Yes. Yes, it does, actually.

Cristina: Yeah. And I found one story about this creature. If you want to hear it, go for it. A rich samurai. There was a rich samurai whose house was haunted, and no one could figure out what to do. So he kept bringing in, like, priests and other people to get rid of the spirit, and nothing worked. Until a servant saw that his cat. There was something wrong with the cat. It was holding something in its mouth. I think it was a tiny ghost in its mouth. So he killed the cat. And then they saw that the cat had two tails, and they were like, oh, that's an evil cat. It's an evil cat. Yes. And I think they used to kill or cut off the cat's tails. When you own a pet cat in Japan, so that it won't turn into a nekomara when it gets old, preemptively.

Jack: Just chop off its tail.

Cristina: Yeah. Look at this one. This is a picture of one. And they're learning how to walk on their legs.

Jack: You mean a drawing of one?

Cristina: Yeah, the drawing. It's based on the real creature. These are cats that are. Their tails are split and they're walking onto. Because that's what happens when cats get owed.

Jack: Their tails split in two, and then they just walk exclusively on their hind legs.

Cristina: Yes, yes. So now you know more about Espeon's background.

Jack: Got you.

Cristina: Yes. And there are other Pokemon that are based on very strange mythologies as well, like Ninetales.

Jack: Ninetales? What the f*** is that?

Cristina: Based on a fox that has nine tails.

Jack: Ninetails is a horse, isn't it?

Cristina: What? What are you talking about? Oh, I don't have a picture of Ninetales. I'm gonna show you nine tails.

Jack: Oh, yeah. I was thinking about a horse with a bunch of tails.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: But not as. Not the Pokemon.

Jack: Yeah, it's a Pokemon. Oh. What's Rapidash? Evolves into what?

Cristina: Rapidash is evolved form, isn't it?

Jack: Is it?

Cristina: It's just a big horse. I don't. With a fiery tail. It doesn't have many tails. Ninetales.

Jack: Holy. I don't know why I always picture Ninetales with some sort of a horse.

Cristina: You thought it was a. I mean, it's a really big fox.

Jack: Yeah, it's a huge fox. The previous form is obviously a fox.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This is borderline dog.

Cristina: I can see that. Yeah. It's got a doggish face. It's a. It's a big, big.

Jack: I don't know why I never until this day considered the fact that Ninetales was a f****** fox. And, like, duh. It's just the evolution of baby fox.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which was a tiny little fox with.

Cristina: A really cute hairstyle.

Jack: And then it evolved into this thing that looks nothing like a fox. It's like a dog.

Cristina: Yes, but it is a fox. Because foxes in. I think it's also Japan. I think also maybe in China. But foxes, after growing old, they get more tails throughout their lifetime.

Jack: Is that real?

Cristina: Is that real? No.

Jack: Oh, okay.

Cristina: That would be cool. Well, these creatures, they're called Kitsun, and as they age, they grow extra tails. And when they grow nine tails, they turn white.

Jack: Interesting. And do they become evil or they just become these majestically beautiful kinds of things?

Cristina: There's varying, very varied stories about them. Some of them are good stories, some of them are bad.

Jack: Do they leave trails of fire? That'd be cool.

Cristina: I think they're psychic. They have a bunch of abilities. A bunch of abilities. Also, after a hundred years, they have infinite wisdom.

Jack: This is very interesting because this line up heavily with Shinto.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: It's these creatures. They are probably technically dead, but their spirit.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Is what we're witnessing.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yes. Well, yeah. This pretty much, Instead of dying, it seems like they live. Even though I guess it could be their spirit is living.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And that's really happening.

Jack: Notice the transition from one point to the other.

Cristina: That's why it's white now instead of.

Jack: The orangey seamless move into a spirit form.

Cristina: Amazing. Wow.

Jack: So in the case of, like, creatures that guard, like, the spirit of the ocean or that, like, something has to die and then become the thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But one of these creatures could be a mythical. Think of like, you remember Suicune, the movie of Pokemon, saying, you know, singing on the Pokemon theme, that it was in the woods, like one of the legendary.

Cristina: Something. No.

Jack: When they went back in time.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: And there was the blue dog thing that was chasing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's the spirit of the forest or the woods or some s***. Or the lake. That's in there or some crap like that. Now, the assumption here is that was just a dog at some point, and then that dog lived very long, and then that dog transitioned to being the spirit of that place, but you never see the dog die. I think the same thing would apply here.

Cristina: I think they said that dogs were somehow related to the spirits of that Ghost Tower thing where all the dead Pokemon were kept.

Jack: I don't know. I'm relating to Shinto.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Like, if this was Shinto, that's what would be happening. You never see the death of the.

Cristina: Pokemon because it didn't die. The next stage of life.

Jack: Yeah. Sort of like what I think would happen if we died. People would see our body die, but we wouldn't see ourselves die. We would just be like, hey, I'm here. This is weird. What's happening?

Cristina: Yeah, that's interesting. Whoa.

Jack: So these creatures that just move forward, like, transform into this other thing, and to them it's just, well, I'm here. I'm doing my thing.

Cristina: Yes. But these things are. These creatures are so incredible. Like, infinite wisdom.

Jack: What the f*** does that even mean?

Cristina: I don't know. That's amazing. It sounds amazing. I don't know if that's actually an.

Jack: Amazing ability that makes it impossible to catch because it's always wiser than you are.

Cristina: Yes. I remember some stories where they can turn into people. They like to turn into girls for some reason. And if they get drunk, they might end up like. Like a tail might pop up. But that could be before they get their nine tails. Is when they're a little bit more riskier and they'll do something. And the tail. They won't be able to hide their tail. They sometimes do show off their tail, so I don't know. Well, how infinite ones them helps them. So it's probably that they get it. I mean, they. By the time they reach infinite wisdom, they probably stop pretending to be humans and things like that, because they weren't doing very good at that. They weren't very good at that. So I'm guessing that's a younger fox. Yeah.

Jack: They don't have the infinite wisdom and maturity.

Cristina: Yeah. They also have gained the ability to see and hear anything anywhere in the world. They're omni. Whatever.

Jack: Omnipresent.

Cristina: Yes. Is that something omniscient? I don't know which one. There's so many omni stuff. The Omni one with hearing and seeing.

Jack: Yeah. I think omniscient covers all the bases.

Cristina: And when they get. And after a thousand years, they become Gold. I wonder if we'll see that in the Pokemon world.

Jack: First they become white, then gold.

Cristina: Yes. They either turn white or gold after a thousand years. Yeah. I thought it was at 100 years. But at 100 years they should have all their tails by a hundred years. But if they don't, then by a thousand years when they have it, they'll change the color which would be either white or gold.

Jack: Interesting, interesting. So they just live forever. They're immortal.

Cristina: They're immortal, yes. Who's counting these ages? What human is like, okay. Or are they? I guess because they're in their wisdom and whatever. Like they gotta be pretty human. They. You have to be able to count the years. Right.

Jack: Guess the stories down.

Cristina: Yeah. These foxes, like the people who kept.

Jack: Track of that like 700 year old turtle or whatever the f*** it was like the great, great, great, great grandparents had a photo with the turtle.

Cristina: Oh, that's so sick.

Jack: It was. There was a drawing of the turtle originally. Because there weren't cameras.

Cristina: Oh. And it just. That was the proof that it was the same turtle.

Jack: Yeah. Cuz the turtle stayed in the family.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then they just. There was like 12 or 13 sketches of the turtle. Because it would take. It would have a new thing done per generation. So I'm the father. I had it. My son is gonna do one with the turtle too. It's a family turtle.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: His son is gonna do one with the turtle. Eventually cameras happened.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we transition over. And it's really huge. Black and white.

Cristina: That's awesome.

Jack: Not even black and white. That's sort of like orangey old school film.

Cristina: And you said how long?

Jack: It was like 700-year-old turtle.

Cristina: 700-Year-Old turtle?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: It's a crazy old turtle that's older than a white fox. Oh my gosh. So turtles live forever.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Then they'll never become the spirit turtle.

Jack: Because they'd have to die in a seamless transition.

Cristina: Yes. But if those powers weren't crazy enough. There's so many powers. So many. They can possess people. They have fire and lightning. They are a Pokemon. They can appear in other people's dreams. They can fly.

Jack: The f****** omniscient part is what's crazy about this.

Cristina: It's just like see and hear everything.

Jack: And be everywhere all at the same time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like it's God. They just become God.

Cristina: It could create illusions. So. Yes. Like what? What?

Jack: Interesting. Just morph into a God.

Cristina: And those are its baby powers. The greater powers. You're not ready for this. Birth universes able to bend time and space.

Jack: Right, Right.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: That's very suicune.

Cristina: Mm. They can drive people mad. Which isn't that crazy already because of all the things they could already do.

Jack: To you, like weak sauce.

Cristina: And also shapeshift into tall trees or a second moon in the sky.

Jack: That's pretty hardcore.

Cristina: That's pretty hardcore. So if we ever see a second moon in the sky, you know, it's this white fox.

Jack: It's a fox. Another giant object about to collide into the moon and destroy our entire solar system as we know it. Yeah, it's just a fox.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh. And like succubus, they could drink the life out of you if they wanted. Through sex.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Why? I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. My question would be, like, would they want to, though? Like, they can if they wanted to.

Cristina: But they want to. I don't know. I guess they would because I guess.

Jack: It would be like different personalities and some are like, imma be the bad.

Cristina: Yeah. Because some are, I'm guessing, bad and some are really good and rainbow of them. Yes. Because there's some that just get married to a guy and then, like, he finds out what she is and she runs away.

Jack: In love, death and robots. There was a spirit girl who turned. Gets turned into, like, a robot, which, by the way, watch. Love, death and robots. Audience, this is just. Just pay attention to that show.

Cristina: Beautiful stuff.

Jack: But, like, that was that thing.

Cristina: I think so. I think it was the kitsune.

Jack: Yeah. It was just some iteration of that where she didn't have many tales. But it was the same thing.

Cristina: Yes, it was just a fox, spirit creature thing. I think it's like the Irish folklore where fairy can be considered a creature, a ghost, you know, all those combination of things. But it's still one type of thing. I feel like this fits into that.

Jack: I feel like too, because it's not necessarily a spirit. It. It's not really. But it's like. It's kind of getting there. It's getting to the point where it's not alive in our understanding of alive. It just ages into transcendence. That doesn't make sense.

Cristina: That doesn't.

Jack: It must be dying in the course. And the death it goes through is so different than what we understand as death.

Cristina: Yes, but we just. Yeah, we just don't understand it. So.

Jack: And it's. It died and now it's this new thing. Or we. We have to divide evolution into two things. There's gradual natural evolution and then there's celestial evolution, which happens in one Moment to another phase.

Cristina: Like, phase like. Yeah, but like, everyone around you would see death, though. Is that what it would be or.

Jack: No, in the case of just people. Yes. You just died and now you're always dead. In the case of one of these creatures, it seems like. Well, no, I hit the point. Bright light. Oh, my God, it's blinding. Light goes away. It's a different thing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Except even if we don't see that moment that happened there somewhere.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Where it's like it's slowly gotten wider and wider and grown extra tails, and at some point it started phasing in and out of existence.

Cristina: Like in Pokemon, where it's just one minute they're one thing, the next is another thing.

Jack: Yeah. It would be a quicker evolution than like humans evolving.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It takes us millions and millions of years. Theirs happens in the course of their lifetime.

Cristina: Yes, man. Ninetales are pretty cool, man. That anime was so awesome. Not anime that love death and robots. Love Death and robots episode. It's pretty cool, but yeah. So this Psychic Fox thing is probably what Ninetales was based on, right? We can agree to that.

Jack: I think so.

Cristina: Think so. And then in 1955, it was five adults and seven children. They went to the police station because they claimed that small aliens from a spaceship was attacking their farm. And they were in a. Like a shoot off with these aliens. And then the cops went to the farm just to make sure that they weren't like, attacking their neighbors instead or something. Because I don't think they assumed aliens. And they looked around and they only found the shells from the guns and hoes around the barn area. So there was shooting happening, but they couldn't find the aliens, Right?

Jack: Sounds about right.

Cristina: Yes. And the description of the aliens, Sableye, was inspired from this UFO encounter.

Jack: It. Wait, this came after that?

Cristina: Yeah. This is from the. Yeah.

Jack: And this is third generation, Right. This is like where it was still cool.

Cristina: Where it was still cool Pokemon.

Jack: Yeah. Before Pokemon got whack.

Cristina: Yeah. Who knew? They based things off of real weird events. I know, like they based on items and creatures and stuff, but aliens. I mean, they do have some aliens in the Pokemon world as well. Like Clefairy.

Jack: Yeah. She's a literal alien.

Cristina: She's a literal alien. Yes. So Sableye is also, or at least based on a real alien. That's pretty. That's probably one of the most interesting. The Pokemon. A lot of them are based on mythologies, or not a lot of them, but some of them are based off of mythologies and stabilized based On a real quote unquote event.

Jack: Yeah. There's a bunch of Pokemon based on a bunch of different things that are going on. Anywhere from just inanimate objects, animals to mythology, different mythical creatures and gods of different sorts as well as totally inanimate things. And like f******. Just not even inanimate things, but things that you couldn't hold. Like pollution.

Cristina: Pollution, yes. That's my favorite Pokemon pollution. Yeah.

Jack: Natural trash wonders like volcanoes are also Pokemon.

Cristina: Oh yeah? Yep. But did you know ghost too?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Do you know the Pokemon Mawile? Mawile. I hope that's you how you pronounce it. It's a plant Pokemon. And it has like a. A giant leaf on its head. And it has like a giant mouth in the back of its head.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: Malwa is based on Furikuchi una, which is literally means two mouthed lady.

Jack: Because there's a lady with two mouths in some folklore.

Cristina: Yes, it happens because she. Because she doesn't like eating or something. She doesn't want to eat. And the mouth. And I guess her body's still hungry even though she's not. She's choosing not to eat. So it's develops a mouth and then its hair is turn alive like a. Like an octopus legs or something, whatever. And it grabs the food and forces it inside the mouth that's hungry. Well, it doesn't force it into the mouth. It helps the mouth eat because she won't eat.

Jack: So it's one mouth forcing. It's one mouth being forced to eat.

Cristina: No, the no mouth is being forced to eat. The hungry mouth is eating. The hares is helping it eat.

Jack: Oh, I understand.

Cristina: Not her main mouth. Her main mouth does not want to eat. So she doesn't eat. But then the other mouth is made and then it just starts eating for the both of them. So she ends up eating double instead of one normal meal. Because she was just too. I don't know. I don't know why she chose. She chooses not to eat until she's anorexia.

Jack: Yes, it's the anorexia Pokemon.

Cristina: Yes. So most of these stories involve her marrying some guy who's like really greedy and he doesn't like to waste his money. So he sees this. This lady who doesn't eat and he's like whoa, Imma save so much money with this lady. And so they get married and then because she doesn't eat, she develops the.

Jack: Mouth and then the mouth eats the guy.

Cristina: No, he just gets scared when he see he finds out because I wonder if there's a Story. I haven't read one, though, of him finding out that she attacks him. There's probably horror movies like that, though. But yes. Then there's a Pokemon called Dunsparce. You know that Pokemon?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: It is so adorable. It is the cutest Pokemon ever. No, they're all cute. A lot of them are cute. Okay. And Dunspar is based on a creature called Sushi no Ko, which is like Japanese Bigfoot, which not like, doesn't look like him, but it's like a version of Bigfoot for them. Like, they see this creature, but there's no proof of its existence. And the Sushi no Ko looks pretty much like what the Pokemon's based on. It looks like a fat, fat snake that's had, like the body in the middle is super fat. Like it's just eating something.

Jack: And how does it move?

Cristina: It moves very oddly. It moves. It moves like a slug or snail. Like, I don't know, like it's going back and forth, forward.

Jack: Like it expands and contracts over and over.

Cristina: Yeah. Which is. I wish I could see this creature move. So, yeah, this is like an overweight, a fat snake that instead of slithering, it just moves forward. It's adorable. And the legends say that it can leap great bounds. It could leap over buildings and etc. And that's why they think the Pokemon has its little wings that it has. You know, it has these cute little wings that it probably doesn't use in the poke world. You know, those little things. So that's probably why it has it, because the creature is known to jump.

Jack: So it's like Magikarp.

Cristina: Like Magikarp, yes. Is Magikarp known for jumping over mountains?

Jack: Over mountains, yeah.

Cristina: So then it turns into a dragon. Although Magikarp is also based on a mythology, you know. You've heard of that one though, right?

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: I think it's Chinese. It's carps just trying to get up a mountain where there's a gate up there, the Dragon Gate. And if they can get up there, which is really hard to get there, they turn into a dragon. And that's Gyarados. So it's based on both magic.

Jack: Japanese dragon, too? No, it's a Chinese. Right. It's very Chinese dragon.

Cristina: It's. Yeah, I think it's Chinese. Yes. Yes. Some Tsuchinoko can speak. And they also love to drink alcohol, which is awesome. Wouldn't you want that as a pet? It's a fat worm that. What is it? Like, it moves towards you in a weird slug like way and likes to Drink alcohol and speak to you.

Jack: I wouldn't want that. Now that's weird.

Cristina: What? Who knows what Hit wants to say to you? Although it does have the habit to lie. So maybe it's a good thing that you don't want to talk to it. What could it be lying about? I want to know. It's lies.

Jack: Maybe it's sarcastic lying. Maybe it's like, yeah, man, I was gambling outside and it's like you've been slowly been creeping around the house the whole day just pretending it had like a real cool. Like, I bet you don't know where I was today. Like, I've seen you crossing the living room for the past seven days. Yeah, you've been nowhere.

Cristina: Oh my gosh, what an awesome fact. Oh, that is so awesome. I hope it's exactly like that.

Jack: Always just sarcastically cracking stupid jokes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There aren't necessarily lies as much as they are just sarcasm.

Cristina: Yeah. That's beautiful. And it's always has some excuse of why the beer bottle is empty or whatever.

Jack: And he knows, you know, but he's also like totally not like being upfront about it.

Cristina: Yes. So awesome.

Jack: Where's that beer can empty? I don't know. I found it like that.

Cristina: Man, they should make this Pokemon even more like the Sunoku because it already looks like it. Why not make it behave like that? That is awesome. Not very kid friendly though.

Jack: No, it's very adult content.

Cristina: Well, if they ever want to make Pokemon an adult contest type of show. Because they do that. They do that. This creature also likes to swallow its tail and it rolls around like a wheel.

Jack: What does that mean?

Cristina: Like a wheel? Like in a circle. Like it has its mouth. The tail is in its mouth, so it's a circle on it.

Jack: So it just becomes an Ouroboros at random?

Cristina: Yeah, it becomes an Ouroboros. They think it's similar to a hoop snake. Have you heard of a hoop snake that's a legend in America and Australia.

Jack: I haven't heard of a hoob snake.

Cristina: Well, I guess over here in Australia and in Canada, people have seen snakes bite their tail and turn into wheels. I don't know. That's a really wild. Snakes are weird, I guess. I don't know if any pet snakes have done that, but they swear they've seen snakes do that in the wild, I guess. That's so cool. What do you think about Sneasel?

Jack: Great Pokemon. It's kind of overpowered.

Cristina: What type of Pokemon is it? A dark Pokemon?

Jack: Yeah, it's a dark. Dark and normal or some s***. I'm not sure. Maybe it might be pure dark. I'm not sure.

Cristina: The sneasel is based on a Japanese creature called the Kama Itachi, which is the words for sickle and weasel.

Jack: Sickle, weasel, Sickle, weasel.

Cristina: Which. It looks like a weasel with sickles for its hands. It.

Jack: It doesn't really look like a weasel. No, really, it looks like, physically like our metaphoric definition of a weasel. Like a sneaky person.

Cristina: Oh, it just looks like a sneaky person.

Jack: Yeah, it's.

Cristina: You wouldn't trust that guy.

Jack: No, it's probably gonna steal some s***.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, these kami. These kama Itachi are so, so scary. They're so scary. They're sneaky for sure. They like to. They like to hunt in three, and they move very quickly around you. The first one knocks you down. The second one uses its long sickle like hands and cuts your leg off. And the third one heals your wound. And then you don't realize you were attacked because they're stealing parts of your leg. They're stealing meat to eat for later. Cause that's cool. Oh, my gosh. That's horrifying.

Jack: That's pretty f***** up.

Cristina: Yes. You would just think that you were tripped, but that's what really happened. Why you tripped. That is the story of why you tripped. These three sneaky creatures ripped your leg off. Well, they didn't rip your leg. Oh. They ripped your leg open, took some meat, and then sewed it back up like nothing happened.

Jack: So never notice.

Cristina: Yep. What?

Jack: No harm, no foul.

Cristina: No harm. Like tripping over there? That sucks. What? I mean, I guess it could be happening over here and you wouldn't know because they move so fast. There's a Pokemon called the Manectric, which has. It's very bluey and yellowy and it's electric. And it's based on a Japanese legend of Raiju, which is a thunder wolf or dog. Thunderdog. Thunder beast. It's a thunder animal. It could be anything, really, because it has many different. You know how the other one had a. It could be a cat or a dog or flies or fireflies for the carbuncle. Well, this one, it could be a cat or a dog or a mouse. It could be a fish. It could be a squirrel. There's so many different.

Jack: So it's a shapeshifter.

Cristina: Yes, I guess so.

Jack: But the main form, by saying it's a shapeshifter.

Cristina: Yes, but the main form, I guess, that it likes to. It prefers, is a dog. And this dog when it walks around, its body is made out of lightning. And in bad weather, it likes to run around. And that's why you see lightning and thunder, because that's it jumping around everywhere.

Jack: It's hanging out in the sky on.

Cristina: Top of buildings and trees and stuff. Wherever you see, like, marks, burnt marks where lightning has struck, that's really the Raju.

Jack: Okay, that makes sense.

Cristina: Also, another Pokemon that might be based on this is Raichu, which is also electric, but it's the mouse. But this thing looks like whatever, so there could be any electric Pokemon based on this.

Jack: It's like almost all folklore are about some sort of shapeshifter.

Cristina: Yeah. My favorite thing of this Raju creature is it's the companion of Raijin, who's the God of lightning. And whenever he looks for him, he strikes at him to wake him up from where he sleeps. And where this creature likes to sleep, sleep is in belly buttons.

Jack: So he becomes microscopic? Not microscopic, but super tiny.

Cristina: Yes. So people during thunderstorms lie on their stomach so that it won't sleep in their belly button. Also, there's stories that he only sleeps on your belly button if you're sleeping outside. Fair.

Jack: That makes sense.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. It's a cute story. It's not a cute story because I guess you die in the end of that story. But it likes to sleep in your belly button. I don't know why, but it does. I want to see that Pokemon turn into a tiny thing and, like, sleep in Ash's belly button. No, that would be weird. That would be really weird. But there's a legend about this creature about. In a stormy night, a samurai drew his sword in the right time because he struck something. A lightning bolt. And of course it. Well, when he struck the lightning bolt, the whole area became smoky. And he didn't see what happened until the smoke cleared. And then he saw a dead Raiju on the ground.

Jack: Why did he attack lightning?

Cristina: I don't know. Because he thought his blade could do something. I feel like that would kill him.

Jack: Though his blade did do something. But, like, why did he know?

Cristina: He's got six sense. 10 cents. He's got super sense. That's how great it is. I guess the highest level of samurai in this. Is there belt in samurai? Is there, like, a high samurai level of, you know, like in karate?

Jack: I have no idea.

Cristina: Then there's Ho Ho. You know Ho ho.

Jack: Ho oh.

Cristina: Ho oh. You know Ho oh. Can you guess what Ho oh was based on?

Jack: Ho oh.

Cristina: It is a firebird. How many firebirds do you know it's a phoenix? Yes, it's a phoenix. It's a phoenix. In Japan, the phoenix is called Ho. Oh.

Jack: Ah.

Cristina: So, yes, they didn't really switch up anything. It's really just the phoenix in the game. There's no magic happening there. I mean, it's not really based on. It really is just. Just the Phoenix. It's just the Phoenix. When it comes to those birds, is there just one in the world or are there multiple?

Jack: That is a fantastic question. There are three legendary birds. Three legendary dogs. Mew, Mewtwo. We at least know Mewtwo for a fact. There's only one. Yes, there's Lugia. Ho. Oh, and like, what about all the Regis? What about Celebi? What, like, is there one of these m************? Just one of each.

Cristina: How does that work?

Jack: Where the f*** did it come from?

Cristina: Yes. Unless the God monster, the God Pokemon made them.

Jack: I think so.

Cristina: Is one of them.

Jack: I think so. I think it comes. It breaks down in that fashion.

Cristina: But what happens when one dies?

Jack: They're gone.

Cristina: They're just gone.

Jack: Yeah. I think it starts at the God Pokemon, Whatever the f***. Arceus.

Cristina: I have no idea.

Jack: Then created the universe. And Mew is Jesus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Mew made the living things.

Cristina: Well, then that's not very Jesus. Like, God made everyone.

Jack: So I guess he's God.

Cristina: Yeah, he's really God.

Jack: Because Arceus is the God of the gods.

Cristina: Yeah. They're just seeing the Christian God is made by this other God.

Jack: Yeah, the Christian God was made by Arceus.

Cristina: Yeah. Maybe there's a Pokemon called Whiscash, which is a catfish Pokemon. Or I think it's a giant cat. I would say it is.

Jack: It's a catfish.

Cristina: It's a catfish with giant whiskers. Very simple. It's based on a catfish creature. In Japan, in the Japanese myth, there is a catfish named Namazu, which likes to create earthquakes and stuff just by flapping its tail. It's just so huge that it creates earthquakes.

Jack: And this Pokemon is that big?

Cristina: I don't think it's that big, but it has attacks that are similar. It creates earthquake attacks. Isn't that a Pokemon attack?

Jack: Water and ground?

Cristina: Yeah, it's water and ground. That's exactly the type. Is there many water and ground? Because isn't ground weakness to water? So, yeah.

Jack: So this Pokemon's particularly overpowered.

Cristina: Well, yeah, there's Zap. Zapdos. I don't know if we talked about Zapdos. Not Zapdos, but what he's based on which is the Thunderbird. I don't know if we talked about the Thunderbird before.

Jack: The f*** is a Thunderbird?

Cristina: Okay, good. Well, Thunderbirds are mythical creatures that the Native Americans believed in, right? And they created thunders and they control lightning and all that stuff. Good stuff. And they like there was a bunch of different tribes and they have all these different ideas of it and most of it revolves around like they're here to either watch over us, to see that we're doing the right thing, you know, like good or bad or whatever. And they'll punish us if we're bad. There's some like they. They're fighting water creatures. There's like giant snakes or giant water creatures that they. That are the enemies of these birds for some reason. So they have this epic fight and that's what's creating those thunderstorms and stuff is just the fight of these animals.

Jack: Like Battle of the Titans or something.

Cristina: Yeah. So it's some underworld creature versus giant bird creatures. There's a Pokemon called Golok which looks like a robot. He looks like a giant robot?

Jack: Yeah, he's a Golem, not a robot.

Cristina: He's a Go. Well, he is a Golem. He's based on a Golem. How can you tell he looks like. I mean, besides this picture that I have of him next to the Golem he's based on. How could you tell he's a Golem?

Jack: Does not look like a robot to me.

Cristina: I don't know what a Golem looks like.

Jack: Sonic Ripoff Eggman designed robot. Are you talking about he looks exactly.

Cristina: Like a Sonic Ripoff.

Jack: I see that. I see exactly why you think he looks like a robot.

Cristina: What do you think he looks like a Golem? What Go have you seen?

Jack: He looks like every. Every Golem looks like that. They're all the same s***.

Cristina: They're all just giant creatures. Oh, there's a Pokemon called Golem. He doesn't look like a Golem.

Jack: Yeah, Golem isn't a Golem.

Cristina: He's not a Golem.

Jack: No, Golem is not a Golem. Golem is a rock. He's specifically a Indiana Jones esque boulder.

Cristina: But those golems all look like different things. Like maybe it is a Golem made out of rocks. No, some of them look fiery.

Jack: Like there are golems made of rocks. But Golem is an Indiana Jones boulder. The one you push off and then roll down the hill.

Cristina: Oh my God.

Jack: That's what he is.

Cristina: Why did they name him Golem? This Pokemon deserves that name. But Golek Golurk. But to Golurk is based on a golem that helped the Jews from one of the many times that they needed help. Because they needed help.

Jack: So golems are biblical?

Cristina: Yes, I guess so. They're Jewish creatures. The Jews make them, and they're magical.

Jack: Jews make golems.

Cristina: I guess they got magic. That's why the Christians hate them. They're like, magic is evil. And we came from that. That is evil. I don't know. I don't know how it works. Maybe they're jealous of that power because.

Jack: They don't have it.

Cristina: They don't have it, Exactly. They've lost. They've lost the powers of creating golems.

Jack: Chew magic.

Cristina: Yes. Well, if you see in the picture, the specific golem in the story has. What would you call those bandages? And the Pokemon golem has that too, you know, I don't know what's called the. And the symbols on it is just, what, magic writing on it, I'm guessing, like runes keep it alive. Like runes? Do they know runes? I don't know. Well, it could be a combo of things, I guess. But in the Pokedex, it says that they're created by the ancient people with the goal of protecting humans and Pokemon, which is what the regular golem is created.

Jack: That's what my golem in Minecraft does. It protects us from creepers and things of such nature.

Cristina: So all golems. Golems are made for that purpose.

Jack: But some golems become evil.

Cristina: They do.

Jack: I don't know. Maybe they're owned by a bad guy. They're just protecting whoever made them, I think. Whoever they're cast to protect.

Cristina: Oh, so they're not really good or bad.

Jack: Yeah, they're probably not even conscious.

Cristina: Yeah, probably.

Jack: There's nothing going on. It's just.

Cristina: Are they like Frankenstein?

Jack: Well, no, that's alive.

Cristina: Oh, okay. It's not alive.

Jack: No, it's not. It is. He's biological.

Cristina: What level of alive is he?

Jack: He's closer to, like, fire, I guess.

Cristina: Okay, but you.

Jack: I guess. He's not alive. Alive. He's. He's alive, but not by a lot. He is biological, d*** it. He's. Yeah, he's biological.

Cristina: He can't think. He can't. He has no needs.

Jack: Frankenstein.

Cristina: No, I'm talking about the golem.

Jack: Oh. Oh, I didn't realize. We saw it back.

Cristina: Yeah. What is he. How alive is he?

Jack: He's not alive.

Cristina: He's not alive at all.

Jack: Basically, a robot that you control with magic instead of electronics.

Cristina: Oh, Even if he looks human.

Jack: Yes. Kind of like a Android that you control remotely.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Okay. That's all that it is. Okay.

Jack: Anyways. Anyways, we are running out of time.

Cristina: All of that came from black cats.

Jack: Black cats and Pokemon.

Cristina: Yes. So beware of these creatures in the woods or something. If you're in the woods with your friend trying to get them to listen to an episode. Is that what happened?

Jack: No. You wandered in the woods with your laptop and a boombox.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: And you were trying to get strangers you came across in the woods to listen to the show with you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And I guess you stumbled upon a black cat and. Or something.

Cristina: Yes. And you're using it for treasure hunting.

Jack: Yes. But now, all things considered, this isn't the only episode with Pokemon that we have. There are actually a couple of episodes where we mention Pokemon in different. There's no Pokemon specific episode. No, but there are episodes that have a lot of Pokemon, including one where we try to find out if there's cannibalism. No. There's pollution in Pokemon.

Cristina: Yes. And hysteria. The Pokemon hysteria. But that was based on real life and not the game.

Jack: Yeah. Wow. We. Do we talk about Pokemon? This is the official Pokemon show.

Cristina: We rarely talk about HO1. That's why I thought, why not we.

Jack: Talk about Pokemon enough for this to be the official Pokemon show.

Cristina: Okay. This is the official Pokemon show.

Jack: At least for this episode.

Cristina: For this episode. Come back for more.

Jack: Find those episodes. If you want some more Pokemon in your life or anything else, you can find those on the official website. Greatthoughts.info on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and pretty much anywhere you get your podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTokisconvopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe and rate. And if you feel so inclined to review the show with whoever you're forcing.

Cristina: To listen to, let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth is very important. So you find people who you care about and love and tell them, hey, just conversation me, you, glass of wine, midnight stars sitting on the beach.

Cristina: They want to be listening to us.

Jack: Yes. And then as soon as you're done with the episode, you play the killers on the beach. Make sure it's about to start raining.

Cristina: No, that sounds very great. It sounds like a great night.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: Because here's what I would say. Maybe he was the first saint.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And thus his death got associated with oversleeping because all the other saints would later be living saints. But no, they all have to be dead. So based on this, they're all the saints of oversleeping. If he's not the saint of roosters. Roasted.

Cristina: Roasted. He is the thing of roasted. I don't.

Jack: He's the saint of roasted rooster.

Cristina: It's over sleeper. Because the. I get it. Sort of, I guess, like the rooster, you. You get woken up by a rooster, but the rooster's dead, so you over.

Jack: So. Okay, Okay.

Cristina: I don't know how that. You know, then. What a crazy story.

Jack: It's a title. Not a thing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's just. We needed to call you something, but.

Cristina: We'Re gonna pray for you if we oversleep, I guess. Or not to oversleep.

Jack: The question is, is that how it works?

Cristina: Yeah, I think so.

Jack: You pray to them for the thing?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Really?

Cristina: Yeah, I think so. Like, there's specific prayers people made for these saints. If you can't make up your own prayer or whatever, you can just find a prayer dedicated to them for a specific thing.

Jack: Interesting, interesting.

Cristina: So people pray for him to not oversleep? I guess. Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

May 29, 2021

JCP 5.05 Hollow9ine Network & Video Games

May 29, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

Fan favorite guest Dave the Klone returns to discuss everything from the state of the gaming industry, the advancements of technology and Neurolink, to the construct of reality, reincarnation and more!

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Topics Discussed:

Bob Ross Rep Sheet
Video Games
Twitch Viewers
Media Consumption
Annual Games
The Construct of Reality
Neurolink
The Mourning VR Program
Robot Apocalypse
Advanced Technology
Horizon: Zero Dawn
Reincarnation
Cosmic Background Radiation
The Size of Atoms
Death, Thanos and Deadpool

Dave's Links:

Website - https://Hollow9ine.Podomatic.com

Instagram - @the_hollow9ine_network

Twitter - @hollow9inecast

Facebook - @Hollow9ineNetwork

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

April 03, 2021

Rambling 124: Jesus the Easter Vampire

April 03, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

Vampire Jesus, Zero Lupo, Sketch, JustConvoPod, The Just Conversation Podcast, Podcasting, Comedy, Discussion, Radio, Easter Special, New Episode, Religion, Faith, Politically Incorrect

Did Jesus really come back to life? Was he really the son of God? Was he performing miracles? The life of Jesus and the meaning of Easter dissected on this Easter Special!

The duo dust off the original biblical scriptures and comb through searching for the truth behind who and what Jesus Christ was. In doing so they come across what seems like similarities between the story of Christ and Bram Stoker’s Dracula. What they discover as they dive deeper will forever change what we think of Jesus Christ forever!

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Art by IG @Zero_Lupo

Topics Discussed:

Egg Stealing
Criminal Organization
Con Artist
Holy Sperm
Mary’s Rape
Vampirism
Vampire Blood
Search for Immortality
Illusionist
Vampiric Powers
Seth, the Ancient Vampire
Vampire Hunters

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast. The show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't. Not yet. Not done it, you should its goats to the subscribit button to click its and get notify. It's the moment new episodes are released.

Cristina: That's horrible.

Jack: That's how they talked in the olden days.

Cristina: No, I don't know. They did talk horribly. Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions. Any views on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So be sure that since the holidays are coming, the great hot. Is it a holiday? Whatever. Easter is on its way to find a loved one and get chocolate. Cuz Jesus is gonna steal your eggs and rabbits. Yes, something like that.

Cristina: That's how you sum up Easter?

Jack: That's how I sum up Easter. There's nothing wrong there. Think about it. Think about it. That makes total sense.

Cristina: Jesus was a rabbit.

Jack: Jesus. When's Easter tomorrow?

Cristina: I don't know. It's very soon. Could be tomorrow. I don't know. I don't know. Easter's on a Sunday, isn't it? Easters are always on Sunday.

Jack: Easter's on the fourth.

Cristina: Fourth. Yeah. Oh, it's called Easter Sunday.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, got it, got it, got it. So Easter's tomorrow. I mean, I knew it was coming up. I didn't know exactly when it was coming up. I just knew it was coming up manana tomorrow.

Cristina: The great Easter bunny.

Jack: But yeah, so I'll summarize. For anybody who doesn't know, we've talked about Easter quite a bunch on show. This is sort. It's an Easter show.

Cristina: That's what it. It's an Easter show.

Jack: Yeah. The whole podcast is centered on Easter.

Cristina: Specifically.

Jack: Specifically, all we do.

Cristina: It's a Christian show.

Jack: It's a. It is a Christian show.

Cristina: Talk about Christ a lot.

Jack: Like we talk about Christ a lot. People, if you don't believe this is a Christian show, then you're out of your mind. Because we talk about God all the time. It's crazy how much we talk about Satan all the time.

Cristina: I didn't mean to say Satan. I meant saints.

Jack: We talk about saints and Satan, Lucifer.

Cristina: I guess we'll talk about all of them.

Jack: God, I don't know. Anyways, I'll summarize. I'll summarize what Easter is so the people understand. Once upon a Time there was a man who used to steal all of the eggs. And in the past, if you are familiar with history, eggs were valuable. Owning a chicken meant a lot. So you had chickens and that was a valuable commodity because you could produce eggs, which means you had eggs to eat. But there was this carpenter who used to hang out with a bunch of thieves and killers, liars and schemes.

Cristina: He was one of them.

Jack: He was one of them. He was part of a band. There were 13 of them, sometimes 14 if you count the woman that used to chill with them. The w****. If you count the w**** that used to chill with them.

Cristina: She wasn't a w****. I read that she wasn't a w****.

Jack: People don't know that. People, people swear she was a w****. Anyways. People used to hang out with a.

Cristina: Bunch with a different w****.

Jack: He used to hang out with a bunch of criminals, murderers, liars, cheaters, stealers, and a w**** and a f****** w****. And he, he was the con artist of the bunch.

Cristina: He was a magician.

Jack: A magician. He used to con people, trick people, steal their watches off of their wrists while showing them a magic trick and then show it to them. And when he returned their watches, he robbed their wallet. He was a genius at what he did.

Jack: This man was known, Jesus and Jesus as his side hustle because he was such a slick guy. He would go to farms where people had chickens and it would be like, yo, I show you a magic trick.

Cristina: But he, he's a carpenter.

Jack: He's a carpenter. That's his cover.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: So he would use that as a cover. Like, I'm gonna build you a farmhouse.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Build your farmhouse. And that farmhouse you can keep your chickens. Let me see the size of your chickens and I'll know the size of the coop that I built for all your chickens in the farmhouse.

Cristina: All right? And then what does he do?

Jack: He' I'm gonna need the keys for your chicken coop so I can build you a bigger chicken coop and move your chickens and you're not around so you don't have to do the hard work. I do all the work. And then they're like, yeah, here, just come when I'm, I'm at work on Sunday. You can come on Sunday and you can, you can take the chickens and put them in the other thing. After you build me the new coop, bro, I'll pay you. He's like, I take money in advance. He's like, I got you, bro. Use some money in advance. I expect that job done. And then he's like, yeah, I'll do it.

Cristina: And he doesn't do it.

Jack: He does not do it. He just shows up and he steals all the eggs that that man was gonna sell to make money. And he got the money from the man who paid them to do the job. He doesn't really do carpenter s***, so he just got the money, didn't buy any materials. But he got the eggs too. Eggs. Cuz the guy wasn't there. He gave me keys for Sunday. He was at work.

Cristina: Oh, he was on work. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Jesus just got all the eggs. Con artist.

Cristina: Con artist. Okay.

Jack: So eventually Jesus got killed for the egg stealing. He got super murdered for stealing all the eggs all the time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But some chemist somewhere made a concoction and gave it to him. And he's like, look, they can crucify you. You take this, it's gonna look like you're already crazy, unenergetic. They're not gonna kill you themselves. They want the suffering to happen. So you take this, you're gonna look more hurt than you really are. Then you're gonna. Your heartbeat is gonna be undetectable. They use this in the future all the time to hide, you know, like a guy named James Bond is going to have. And they're going to think he's dead. So you use this and they'll think you're dead while you're on the cross. And then we come down, take you, take you to a hole somewhere. And then when you recover.

Cristina: Why are they doing that for him?

Jack: You come. Because they're the homies.

Cristina: Oh, they're one of the tall.

Jack: And then he comes out of the thing. And then he started stealing eggs again. And people were like, no, he's been resurrected to steal eggs. His. His spirit has unfinished egg.

Cristina: That's when they decorated. Because they were hiding it from him.

Jack: Then they decorated all their eggs as colorful stuff. And then they also made chocolate shaped like eggs.

Cristina: They were like, to confuse him even.

Jack: More, use them so that if he did find the eggs, it was 50, 50 chance he would just open chocolate and be like, these aren't even eggs. These are just.

Cristina: And he's allergic to chocolate.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. So that's the truth about Easter.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And from then forward, every Easter, we hide our eggs and try to confuse people by also hiding chocolate so that if Jesus hits our place, there's a. Like, what are the odds he doesn't want to anymore? Because he knows there's a 50, 50 chance he opens that and dies.

Cristina: Is he showing up as a rabbit, like, dressed up in a Rabbit suit.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. That's where the rabbit comes in. Totally.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's his disguise he used because as soon as after the resurrection he got caught, he needed a disguise. So he would pretend to be. Yeah, he would show up in a giant rabbit suit and try to steal it.

Cristina: Because everyone has to think he's dead for good.

Jack: Yeah. He needs to keep that. The lie sold.

Cristina: Yeah. So he can still steal eggs. Okay.

Jack: But since he's allergic to chocolate, that's gone way down. And there's only one Jesus. He can't be everywhere at once. It's not like he's good or something. So, you know, that's why we celebrate the comedic nature of that one time in history that some dude named Jesus was stealing all the eggs.

Cristina: Crazy F A X facts. Yeah. True story.

Jack: True story, man. Nothing but wokeness going on there.

Cristina: Did you get that story from the Bible?

Jack: No, the Bible lies.

Cristina: The Bible lies.

Jack: I was filled with lies.

Cristina: What kind of lies?

Jack: All of them.

Cristina: What is the main lie? Is there a main lie? I guess they have too many.

Jack: No, no, no. There is a main lie.

Cristina: There is a main lie.

Jack: There was a God. And then the whole Bible is centered around that one lie.

Cristina: What if there was a God?

Jack: It wasn't the God they're talking about. Or I guess the main lie is God was the good guy. Right.

Cristina: God, who was the person.

Jack: Like we just saw that thing earlier about how God killed 2 million people but Satan only killed 10.

Cristina: 10.

Jack: Like I feel like this clear measure here of who's the bad guy. What?

Cristina: I guess killing people is alright.

Jack: Destroyed towns with fire, the firstborn of many. An entire flood that just wiped out all existence.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Lucifer 10, God 2 million.

Cristina: Yes. Well, the Bible didn't lie about that.

Jack: No, it totally didn't. This is saying God is like we, this is the good guy. Oh, he's the good guy.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: Try to confuse us and trick us about who? Right is wrong, left is blue, you know?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Try to f*** it all up.

Cristina: What if we're supposed to think killing is good?

Jack: What?

Cristina: What if we're supposed to. To believe that killing was good?

Jack: I mean, then why can't we kill? Why can't we go out and pop some mofos? He made himself in our image. What, he's copying us.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, it's funny that that statement in general just totally lends itself to the fact that. Or he made us in his image. Right?

Cristina: He made us in his image. Yeah.

Jack: Then he made Jesus in our image.

Cristina: No, he Made Jesus in his image too.

Jack: Yeah, I guess.

Cristina: No, I don't know how Jesus was made.

Jack: Jesus was a poop.

Cristina: Magic.

Jack: A magic poop.

Cristina: He's a. He was made without a semen. He's just.

Jack: No, there was. It was holy semen.

Cristina: Holy semen.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: How?

Jack: He's God. He could be everywhere at once, including inside you.

Cristina: He had like a magic semen floating inside Mary. Yeah, yeah. He or many his.

Jack: Let's. Let's be real. On top of the number of deaths he has committed, like the murders he's done, he's kind of guilty of raping Mary, right?

Cristina: I guess. She doesn't say that it's rape though. She's happy about it.

Jack: She said I was impregnated by the Lord.

Cristina: Maybe he asked for it. Maybe.

Jack: Nope. No, she was shocked.

Cristina: She was shocked by it. Oh, no.

Jack: Sorry. If Jesus. Mary was an alcoholic or a drug addict or some s***. And she blacked out. She was consistently wasted and she blacked out because even Joseph was like, I didn't f****** pregnant her.

Cristina: Oh crap.

Jack: Yeah, she was some sort of drug addict. Which kind of fits a suit that he would grow up in the slums being just an architect or what the was he carpenter. And that he would hang out with a bunch of criminals because that's the environment he was raised in. His mom was like a drug addict.

Cristina: What was his dad. He was still around, wasn't he?

Jack: He was trying to support his family, but it was probably an alcoholic. Oh, they didn't own s***. That's why they slept in a barn.

Cristina: It was her cousin's barn or something. I forgot it was like a family.

Jack: Yeah, they didn't own crap. They were. They couldn't even go to a stranger because they couldn't even buy a place or like rent a room or something like, here's some coin, let me stay here. They can go to a motel. They had nothing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So they were like, okay, just cuz your family, go sleep with the animals. I'll give you at least a roof.

Cristina: That's where they lived.

Jack: I don't know where the f*** they lived. I know that's where they had Jesus. Jesus of Nazareth. Which means he was in Nazareth. That was Nazareth. Is Nazareth in Jerusalem. Whatever. Anyway, so yeah, Easter. All of this is related to Easter.

Cristina: Related to Easter history.

Jack: History. Informing of Easter is coming. Informing of Easter is coming and. Nah. But all jokes aside, Easter is about the resurrection.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Are we sure about that? Easter is the day he came back.

Cristina: Yes. Wow. Probably not sure. Probably not 100% sure. Because no one's 100% sure about anything in the Bible.

Jack: Yeah, like he was actually born in the summer.

Cristina: Yes. So none of it's for sure.

Jack: So he died three days before Easter. What a coincidence that he'd come to life on Easter.

Cristina: Yes. Wait, he died three days before.

Jack: I mean, he was resurrected on Easter? Yeah, three days after he was crucified. So, yes, he died.

Cristina: I don't know. I thought for some reason Lent was when he died and that was like a month earlier. I could be wrong about that then. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, look, look, I don't know how religion works, okay?

Cristina: How long can you stay dead and then come back to life? How long is it okay for a dead body? Like, after a year, it's gotta be too long, right?

Jack: After a couple of hours, it's too late. If you're dead 10 minutes, it might have been too long.

Cristina: Oh, really?

Jack: Yeah, you come back with brain damage.

Cristina: Oh, do you think he came back with brain damage?

Jack: H***, yes.

Cristina: That's why he died immediately after.

Jack: Yeah, he just came back to life, screamed his lungs out and then just died again. He screamed like a severe r***** scream and then just died again.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Yeah, luckily there was nobody there to see him. They just thought he moved and were like his soul left his body.

Cristina: But they saw him go to heaven, his body disappears or something. I don't know.

Jack: I'll explain that. The truth is, that dude was a vampire. That's why he could levitate.

Cristina: That's why he can levitate. Who says he can levitate?

Jack: Vampire logic says he could levitate.

Cristina: But did he levitate?

Jack: Yes, that's how he walked on water and that's how they saw him go up to heaven.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: He was levitating. You're literally talking about him going up to heaven. I'm like, he levitates and you're like, what?

Cristina: Well, I feel like levitating is, like a few inches from the floor and going up to heaven is, like, much higher.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: It's an extreme.

Jack: Why did you put a cap on levitation?

Cristina: Because that's how magicians, they don't go very high up.

Jack: Oh, I feel you. You're equating him to a magician.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's fair.

Cristina: Well, I guess for him, with his.

Jack: Vampire powers, he's a super mega, ultra vampire.

Cristina: Super. Wait, say that.

Jack: No, in reality, he's the first vampire.

Cristina: He's the first one.

Jack: He's the first vampire. I don't know how the h*** it happened.

Cristina: It wasn't God related.

Jack: No, it was. I mean, he could have. He could have been. I mean, this. He could be Dracula, like the real Dracula, what Dracula was based on. And so we know he was a man of faith or whatever. In the original story of Dracula, Dracula screams at the sky is like, his wife died or something. I don't remember how the story was. Something like that. Right. He was asking for her to come back or like, I'll sacrifice me or whatever. And the curse he was given was. D***, I don't remember his story at all. Whatever. Dracula yelled at the sky as a God or something. And he was given vampirism. Vampirism. He was turned to vampire.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so Jesus known notoriously for being a very God centric man, in fact, so God centric, they were like, you're the most God centric man. And that definitely lends itself to him having been screaming at the skies, a God, God, please help me. And then he got given abilities which began to show themselves around the age of 30, not his entire life.

Cristina: What? That's why it starts there.

Jack: Yep. It begins when he was baptized by John Baptist.

Cristina: Mm. That was one of his friends or whatever.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Or becomes his friend after. I don't know.

Jack: Everybody's. His friend is Jesus.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And after he. He goes through the baptism where he accepts God and whatever, weird things start to happen. Weird things start to happen.

Cristina: Like what?

Jack: Well, at the beginning, he starts to be. He seems way too charming to people. Absurdly charming and beautiful. Beautiful man. A beautiful man. He's perfect. He's immaculate. He's gorgeous. He's perfect.

Cristina: Yes, like a vampire type of transformation.

Jack: And over the time, over time, he just kept, you know, talking to people. And now again, this lends itself to the fact that he was already some sort of con artist and knew a couple of tricks. But now he has this absorbent charm that people can't even control themselves around. They'll cry just by looking at him. So beautiful. It's phenomenal. And then he would also perform nifty tricks. And then people just started, you know, he's the most entertaining, funnest, greatest, kindest man ever. And he's beautiful and gorgeous. And his following just kept growing and growing. And he started actually building two different types of followings. One, the mass following of the general information that would float around. People would keep passing the knowledge of this man. Oh, he's so exciting. Oh, he's so interesting. Oh, he's so awesome. I would say. You would say? You tell them, they tell him so Far, So far. But then he had the personal net group of people, convicts and murders and thieves and whores that he already hung out with, and they became even more integral to his group. It's possible that at this point, he was already a vampire. It was, like, immediately after the baptism that he was given these powers that we start to see more and more of as time goes by. And his homies, assuming they're really his homies to that degree, and they weren't all so convinced by him.

Cristina: But they weren't vampires.

Jack: No, I don't think they were vampires. I think they were just ride or die as h***. They're like, you know, the code of the criminal. It's always together. And so he was like, if I figure out how this works, I'll just try to turn you guys too.

Cristina: Was he drinking blood?

Jack: Not yet.

Cristina: Not yet.

Jack: He does eventually tell them, like, you guys, you know, you do things right. I suppose we can all be this. We can all be immortal. Which he tells him consistently. There's immortality. There's immortality. I'm immortal. There's immortality. And we get told the story that the commoner on the street gets told. Oh, give yourself to the sky, and after you die, there's immortality. Yeah, this is a weird little tale you get told so that if he shows up at your house and says, I'm gonna kill you so that you can reach your immortality.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: So I'm gonna consume you within me. As you've heard from everybody else, within me is the immortality. Through me.

Cristina: There is immortality through him eating you.

Jack: Well, he doesn't use those words specifically, but when he gets there, you're like, do whatever you have to want immortality. And then he could do whatever. And he also establishes very vampiric rules he didn't establish, but for whatever reason, he needs you to accept them first. Before he can come in, you need to welcome this man inside. Otherwise, he can't. And he's already a criminal. He steals eggs, bro. He breaks into wherever he needs to.

Cristina: Well, he. Maybe he doesn't break in because in your example, the egg stealing, the.

Jack: He had to trick a guy. Well, no, before he was a. Oh.

Cristina: The egg ste was.

Jack: Before the sag ceiling was. Before he was still using his carpenter skills to do stuff.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But after the baptism, he needs to use his conning skills to get into the house in the first place by getting you to agree to let him in. And that's how he would get into your home.

Cristina: Amazing. What? But he no longer needs eggs. Though, Right.

Jack: He no longer needs eggs.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: His castle in Transylvania has all the chicken coops he could ever imagine.

Cristina: He also has a. Okay.

Jack: But in this time of him doing this, occasionally not everybody gets killed or drained raw of blood. Sometimes. Occasionally somebody survives and they come back with the story of. And then he cut his wrist and told me to drink his blood.

Cristina: What? That's not a story. That's a story.

Jack: And in. No, that's not a real story. Obviously some parts of this are made up.

Cristina: That'd be really interesting if that was in the Bible.

Jack: S***. Maybe. You know what? Yeah, no. Yes, totally. So eventually some people started coming back with the story. He would cut his wrist and drip into their mouth. Because drinking the blood of Christ is the way to immortality. And these people really did become immortal.

Cristina: While they were alive.

Jack: While they were alive because they became vampires. If you drink his blood, you get immortality. Keep in mind through the beginning he had to experiment and find out how things work.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And he was doing that effectively.

Cristina: So his buddies might be vampires.

Jack: So his buddies eventually became vampires. When he figured that out, then they would preach that you need the blood of Christ.

Cristina: So they were just selling his blood.

Jack: Well, now they're mortal. They no longer need to scrap for anything and they got crazy powers. But then this becomes another problem is face here. The apostles were also seen as incredibly charming and lovable to the point that some of them continued to commit crimes even after they were with Jesus. And that's an interesting little duality that's there. That they would preach the holiness and then go and openly crimes and s***. Yeah.

Cristina: How many of them were still committing crime?

Jack: Two of them.

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: Peter and John. No, it's not. John was another one. Peter's another guy. And yeah. So there is definitely a. An interesting narrative that forms there. And it became kind of dangerous when the two different groups there was again the apostle group, the Titanic group.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then the bigger group of just the fans. And there were. So I guess a third division of groups happened where it was really close. Then the like other ones he personally interacted with but wasn't in his circle. And then the people who've heard of him, the people who've heard of him became a danger.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because they heard about people really achieving immortality. And so now they need to convince everybody so that if, if everybody around me is on board, then it's more likely it's going to reach me. And I want the immortality. So by any means we gotta force everybody to believe it so that he's More prone come our way. And that's where violence begins to happen and religious warfare breaks out.

Cristina: For this Jesus blood. For this Jesus.

Jack: That's where the Jews versus the Christians happen. Except the Christians didn't have a name yet.

Cristina: That was during his time though. Like he was alive while they were fighting or like they knew.

Jack: Yeah, there was definitely a left and right going on. And they wanted immortality. They didn't know what it really meant. Only as closest of homies understood the true depth of where this went. They were all already monsters of different, different sorts. All vampires. Twisted contorted minds. Because of their abilities, they could just con anybody at any moment. They could charm anybody, convince anybody to do anything. But they also had unique abilities that came with that.

Cristina: Like what?

Jack: Like the way vampires do, man. All vampire abilities.

Cristina: Do they have any non related vampire ability like ability that vampires don't have? But still you can see it as maybe some type of vampire power that just never has been mentioned in other stories.

Jack: Not entirely sure. Perhaps. It's definitely a possibility. They did have eccentric abilities that kind of varied in different ways. For example, the thing Jesus did in turning the water to wine.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That wasn't like a vampire thing. But also as a con artist he could have understood that red dirt underwater shooken up in clear water would turn the water red. You could just claim it as whatever it's like, oh, there's still worms and s*** in there. Don't drink the wine. I was just proving a point. You know there were tricks. And as he was a con artist, he had a little more trick, a few more tricks in his bag than his homies did.

Cristina: Yes. So you talk about his first in.

Jack: General abilities that they had. First of all that crazy superficial charm they have that catches everybody's attention. Hypnosis.

Cristina: Hypnosis.

Jack: The well known vampire hypnosis. If he stares into your eyes, he's caught you. Well, you are a victim. That's it. You are caught. There's nothing you could do. You will find him beautiful, gorgeous. Interesting enough. The people who were most against him were the people who never stared him in the eyes.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Political figures who were angered by what he was saying, that weren't in contact with him, that were at a distance from him.

Cristina: Yes, they just heard about him.

Jack: Then when they managed to successfully get him on the cross, the only times they saw him is when his eyes were already down and weak and all these things so they could look at him and to not be caught. It wasn't just looking at Jesus.

Cristina: He has to be looking Back looking.

Jack: Back, which creates an interesting dynamic there that kind of lends itself to the fact that he was probably a f****** vampire.

Cristina: Okay, did you find anything related to the sun?

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: Like weakening him or hurting him or.

Jack: Oh, yeah, definitely. That leads to the crucifixion. He also had healing abilities, which is his most common trick.

Cristina: He was healing people.

Jack: He was healing people left and right now. There are two different kinds of healing abilities that vampires possess. One is the typical. You know, I hold my hand over your body or whatever, and poof, like magic, it's gone, which Jesus did do. But also his blood.

Cristina: Oh, his blood.

Jack: The notorious one. Not only was it healing, but it provided immortality.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then small traces of his blood are healing, which is why you get fed that crap in church.

Cristina: What about his skin? Did it have healing properties, too?

Jack: His skin contains his blood. You know, it's just a dry version of his healing DNA that you can carry around. It's harder to do that with the blood. It's just a carryable version of him.

Cristina: That's so creepy.

Jack: But, yeah, he can regenerate because he's a vampire. So he can cut it off as much as he wants and then always be back.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It's just a logical exchange. He was the original. So if he dies, all his homies lose their powers. You know, the vampire Elijah Kill the king.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Everybody else is reverted.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So his flesh is the only flesh that could turn others.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Okay, so they needed his flesh and they needed his blood. He could make his home his vampires. But they can't make others, all right? Only he can.

Cristina: That's why they were promoting his.

Jack: They were promoting his blood. And he probably donated some of his blood so that they can spread it out amongst people to prove the power of his blood. Not enough to turn them into anything.

Cristina: Just to heal them, but to heal.

Jack: Them and prove the strength of his blood. They also had healing powers, but they didn't have something that they can just give. You walk away, you take it, everything is gone for you. You can see now. You drank some of that. Now you can see. You've never seen a day of your life. You were bor. Born blind. Now you have sight. That kind of crap.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: So that's the healing, obviously. The vampire, immortality. So long as you have the nutrients and thing you need, you cannot die of natural causes. You have to be killed.

Cristina: Probably.

Jack: Self healing, which is how he, you know, cuts his skin off and then gives it. He'll heal that right back and the more he feeds, the more he heals. And through hard times, he could do that repeatedly.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: With the exception of when he was on the cross. Because they bound him, he couldn't heal. He also has pyrokinosis, which is well known. The vampires could do that. Is controlling fire.

Cristina: He's controlled fire.

Jack: There's two instances in which this happened. One in which he used fire to telepathically communicate. Moses.

Cristina: That was him.

Jack: That was him through the fire. And the other one in which he teleported into a furnace to speak to some men who were being burned alive. Yes.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Chances are they did get burned, but he gave them his blood while they.

Cristina: Were there so that they wouldn't die.

Jack: So they wouldn't die. He was always true to the homies.

Cristina: Okay, and those are some homies.

Jack: Those are some homies. We don't know how exactly, but they were his followers and he was loyal to them. He made sure his army stayed strong as well as there was Saddam and Gomorrah, the two cities that he successfully wielded enough power. Now, this takes place in the past from him. But assuming his powers bridge the gap of time somehow because he was predicted to be born or be created at some point.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This creature of immense power would come to be. It's possible that his abilities stretch far and beyond that he could rip fire from the skies and slam it right into a city. Unless, that is signs that there were vampires before him.

Cristina: Then he wouldn't be the first.

Jack: Then he wouldn't be the first. But he is an original, just like whatever other vampire.

Cristina: Yeah, that's a really powerful vampire.

Jack: Yes. And the possibility there lies that it's one of the original children of Adam and Eve or Enoch himself. So Adam and Eve's children featured three individuals, one of which. Well, there were a bunch of others, but out of the boys, there's Cain, Abel and Seth. We hear a lot about Cain and Abel, but we don't hear a lot about Seth. He's brushed aside, other than being mentioned, but mentioned enough to wonder why. Why was. Why. Why did you mention this child at all? The theory is that he was retracted, like many of the other books from the Bible.

Cristina: Yeah, his character was retracted.

Jack: His character was retracted. He was removed from the text. It's possible Seth was the first vampire, then Enoch and then Jesus.

Cristina: What were they around these. The time with the cities. Or they would have been ancient vampires by then.

Jack: They would have been ancient vampires by then, allowing them to perform these duties. They would be so overpowered at that point we're looking at Jesus in from when he was 30 to when he was 33. So his powers are three years old at max. He was still learning how to use them.

Cristina: Oh, that's so sad.

Jack: If we see Enoch or Seth, we're talking some of the first living things ever.

Cristina: So thousand.

Jack: Well, Seth would be. Enoch would be closer to the time of those cities being attacked.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: While Seth would be the ancient one here.

Cristina: So he would probably have the power.

Jack: He would probably have the power to just rip fire from the sky and land it on top of these cities. So it's possible that he was the first. Additionally, there is levitation, which allowed Jesus to levitate when they saw him, quote, go to heaven, unquote. And when he walked on water, his most fantastic miracle.

Cristina: Walking on water.

Jack: Walking on water. And additionally, there was also dream manipulation.

Cristina: Like he'd be in other people's dreams or he could.

Jack: Yes, he would be in other people's dreams and he would show himself in visions to people. So he would communicate and they would dream about him and they would think of him at random moments and he would talk to them through these almost telepathic dreams, dream like states. And they would know about him before he even presented himself.

Cristina: Cool. I didn't know about this. In the Messiah, he was in their dreams. So if he's Jesus in that show, does that mean he's talking to them in the dream?

Jack: Yes. He could have really been doing that. He would. In the Bible, he would send them.

Cristina: Cryptic messages related somehow.

Jack: Yeah, in the Bible, he would send them cryptic messages. Sometimes it was direct, but sometimes it was weird imagery that made no sense to the viewer until they were explained by either Jesus himself or they heard a story about something that happened that happened in their dream that kind of pieced it together for them.

Cristina: So that was a Jesus thing. Oh, my God.

Jack: That was a Jesus thing. And additionally, he had animal control.

Cristina: Animal Control. Can he turn into animals too?

Jack: We have no proof of that. But he did have the ability to get animals to behave as he wanted.

Cristina: And people saw him talk to these animals or something. He.

Jack: Animals that would just behave around him.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: As if he was thinking for them and going back to situations in which we have weird scenarios. Assuming there are ancient vampires at the time of, like Moses, we can see every animal in the world suddenly start moving towards a singular ship ahead of a fantastic flood. Because it's gonna start. Start raining endlessly.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which could have also still been a vampire doing this.

Cristina: Moses, Seth or Seth. Okay.

Jack: And so he got into the head of every single creature and started moving them to the ship so that whatever we can get on board, we do get on board.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. Because he knew that the flood was coming too.

Jack: He was probably the one who warned Moses.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Of course, Moses attributed to God, but it was just Seth. Like, there's crap's about to hit the fans. My fault. Seth probably did it himself.

Cristina: He flooded the world.

Jack: He flooded the world at this point, Such an ancient being seeing such heavy corruptions. Like, I can cleanse this in one shot.

Cristina: That's why burning the town could be him and drowning the world. Okay. That's.

Jack: So a lot of the events we've seen could definitely be Seth creating the very extremely godlike things of giant floods and fire from the sky.

Cristina: Then eventually he goes up because there's no.

Jack: I'm not saying he gave up.

Cristina: What?

Jack: He could have been killed. What?

Cristina: I mean, I guess that's a possibility, huh?

Jack: Weaknesses. Following everything that Jesus went through, there is the possibility that the church was familiar with stories of vampires and hadn't seen one in a long time. Maybe they knew of somebody who once killed a vampire. The possibility that that was Seth, incredibly high at this point. So they're out there and they've done it, and they record the history of how they did it, and they store it somewhere in case we've never seen another vampire. The only one we knew about was Seth. He converted a couple of people. We got rid of them, but the ones we didn't disappeared. Once we killed Seth, we stored the information on how to do it. We have that safe. Guy pops up, starts doing very familiar things. I've read about something like this before. I'll go to library. I'll check to see what we have stored in there. This kind of thing. And then they come across the things Jesus was doing. And they're like, a lot of this. A lot of this measures up to what we saw with this other guy.

Cristina: With the other vampire.

Jack: With the other vampire. And so they start trying to convince people this isn't who you think it is. Just like, don't buy the crappy selling. Let it be. Don't buy what he's selling.

Cristina: Are these are the same people that end up killing him?

Jack: Yes. These are the Jews that are like, this isn't like. Right. You people don't understand what you're playing with here. You don't see how wrong it is that he wants you to drink his blood or eat his flesh. You don't see how that's problematic? People were brainwashed. They didn't know the difference. They were already charmed. So they didn't understand the charm part. You didn't get that that was a factor in there until somebody read about it and they're like, we can't even break these people out of it. There's one way to break this spell. There's one way to break the spell.

Cristina: Which is to kill Jesus.

Jack: Which is to kill Jesus. So now they gotta look into how they killed Jesus. And that's how we get to his weaknesses. In the book of whatever ancestors they had that successfully killed Seth, the first vampire, or Enoch, if it was him, they came across some basic details. One, stakes can weaken a vampire. They're crazy strong. You're gonna need a freaking army. But if you can get stakes into them, you will weaken them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Also sunlight. Sunlight is definitely their enemy. Which tells us we've probably seen as a con, as a natural con artist. He was already a person who relied on shadows and darkness to create illusions.

Cristina: So you might have been like.

Jack: We might have been seeing most of his activities at night, which is why it was hard to just see him walking on the street. He would show up.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Common trope of coming to drink blood in the middle of the night is when you do that. But who are the people who need to ask permission to come into your house? The vampire. Which means he was doing this at night. Because vampires do these things at night. We already have similar behaviors connected to Jesus that all happen in nighttime. Being a con artist, hanging out with criminals, and the typical vampire. Bullcrap. This man was just behaving at night.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Sleeps in the day, behaves at night. When he was a carpenter, he could work in the daylight, but when he was doing his other things, he would do it at night, hanging out with his criminal buddies. So he was used to it. And then he becomes a vampire and develops the weakness of sunlight. And so it was already normal. Nothing seemed to change in the perception of others. He was already a interesting, elusive guy who would just hang out in the shadows most of the time with criminals of different sorts of. So that didn't affect him too much. The other weakness he had is he needs to be invited into your home. He can't actually recover from anything if he can't get to you.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There is a vampire rule that he cannot break even if he wanted to. Some force stops him from being able to just violate the rule of going in.

Cristina: Yeah. And the church knew all that.

Jack: And the church knew these three key details. So the Church started making moves. They set traps with stakes so that they can get stakes into him. And they disguise these stakes. The stakes he was crucified with were a mixture of bone and wood.

Cristina: What?

Jack: They look like bone, but they had the wood that he needed in his body to weaken him.

Cristina: Okay. So we thought they had. Why did he need bone?

Jack: To disguise the steak.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And they set up armies in nearby proximity to Jesus when they were trying to catch him. It wasn't just two, three people came and arrested Jesus. They had to stage in case he tries to flee. We can get him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And with the help of some people, some whips laced with the stakes merged with the wood and the bone. They had shackles with spikes made of the wood and bone that they could put on him. He didn't know these shackles were like that. So they come in to arrest him, and he's in front of people. That was part of the problem. We need an audience so that he can't do his thing. And everybody's spell is broken because they realize he's some freak of nature.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: So then he willingly is like, sure, yeah, okay. Thinking I'm gonna escape tomorrow, whatever.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then they put it on him, and he's like, holy crap, what just happened? And he feels his powers just drain from his body.

Cristina: From the stakes.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They put some on his legs as well. They give him the cross. They beat the crap out of him. They know he's not gonna die. None of this is gonna kill him. What is the sunlight?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They make him continuously get weaker and weaker by dragging his own cross the field where they're gonna crucify him. Then they put him up and they nail. Because somebody could just come and remove those stake. Those stake shackles.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they. They put nails made of the same material right through his hand, nailing him to the cross through his hands and through his feet so there's no way he can get out. And they leave him there so that the sun will rise eventually and kill him. It's the only way we could get rid of it. That's it. The only way.

Cristina: But it doesn't.

Jack: It doesn't get rid of him because he's dying when they take him off of it. We don't see that part. But then they take him to the best place where somebody can reward a vampire can recover. He needs to be on dirt.

Cristina: His friends did that, though.

Jack: His friends did that. His friends took him down. These are also lose their powers. Yeah, they're gonna. They take him down they take him to a tomb, dirt and rock all around him. And they bring him some blood covers there. They bring him some blood. They give him some blood. They close it so nobody could go in there. They just say, he's dead in there. He's dead. He's died. He's died over.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And he recovers while he's in there. They give him some blood he needs to regenerate his normal vampire regeneration rate as he rests. Three days later, today on Easter, he's fully recovered.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And people just start seeing him walking around. They're like, what the h***? We saw this guy die.

Cristina: And then he does the levitation to heaven thing. Or.

Jack: No, he.

Cristina: That's not part of the story.

Jack: Yes, but they see him walking around and they witness his presence. And then he tells them, knowing that now the church is going to be informed that they failed, they're going to do it again. But now he knows, he knows they know. So he's like, nah, this ain't good.

Cristina: So he has a plan to get.

Jack: The h*** out of there.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Now, as he's established his plan, he tells all the homies to plan. Look like, as long as I'm alive, you guys can retain your abilities, but I can't be here anymore, try to kill me. So you guys just need to be under the radar, be normal people. Do your miracles or whatever, but don't. Don't exceed your reach. They know how to take us down. There's more of them than there are of us. Okay, so I'm gonna do a nifty. My final con. The final cut. The final score, guys, the final score. They're like, yeah, the final score. And then we have the montage of Ocean's Eleven where we see all the characters start to set it up. Yeah. First they're gonna get an audience done. Then they show, like, f****** Peter. Getting people together. Yeah. Like, we're gonna bring people in and we're gonna. You gotta pass flyers to get everybody coming. Look, Jesus gonna be leaving or whatever and share all this information anyways. Eventually, people witness him levitate into the skies. His goal was, I'm gonna go over the clouds and then fly the h*** out of there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So they see him go up and they're like, oh, he went to the heaven. Seems like obviously there's space up there, but they're idiots and they don't know that. So I'm just go high enough so they can't see me. I. Mm. And that's how he landed in Transylvania and changed his Name to Dracula.

Cristina: Ah, so he's Dracula.

Jack: He's Dracula.

Cristina: But Dracula, is he still alive?

Jack: Probably could be. Maybe.

Cristina: Because in the story he dies.

Jack: We don't know.

Cristina: That's the story. Yeah.

Jack: Jesus also died.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. That's just a story.

Jack: Jesus also died in a story. What a coincidence.

Cristina: You don't know what parts of the story is true or not. Okay, so.

Jack: Yeah, but that's kind of interesting, right? The people were so severely brainwashed by this man that they couldn't sort of break away even as there were other people. Like, you're crazy as h***. This is clearly not what he's claiming to be, brainwashed. Yes, they are. But also whatever. The church that formed around these apostles made sure to sling this forward. And they managed to create some sort of concoction out of his blood by finding alchemists that could replicate the exact composition of his blood and then pass that forward to use it to keep people both brainwashed and heal people with the blood of Christ. And they can also. They no longer have the access to his flesh, but they can take little breads, drip his blood onto it, and preserve that successfully without the fear of blood coagulating inside of a container and becoming useless.

Cristina: And that's the bread that they're feeding in people.

Jack: That bread.

Cristina: So people are going into the church to get brainwashed.

Jack: Optimized the system so that it could function without Jesus's involvement. I don't know what happened to the apostles. I don't know if they're dead, if they're alive. We can't trust the Bible because the Bible has a bunch of. They need him to be dead in the Bible. That's his narrative.

Cristina: Yes. And they probably need the apostles to be dead because that's. They're gonna live forever. So.

Jack: So we don't know really what's happening. And I still don't know which of the two was the older vampire if that's the case. Unless, again, Jesus power is so exaggerated, he can reach backwards in time. I guess it's kind of a stretch.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But if that's not the case, then either Enoch or Seth.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Were vampires. And it makes more sense that it would be Seth because of the magnitude in which the events were happening with the flood and the fire from the skies and the firstborn of people dying. Like he could just do the crazy things.

Cristina: He was killed. That's crazy.

Jack: And once Jesus pieced that together, he's like, there's no way I'm winning.

Cristina: Yes. So now he's hiding.

Jack: He's hiding. He's like, I'm not dealing with this crap. Which explains the need to quote, resurrect, quote, unquote, fly up to the sky or whatever the h***.

Cristina: Yes. And that's where Thanksgiving comes from.

Jack: Not Thanksgiving, Easter.

Cristina: Easter. Oh, Easter. That's where Easter comes from.

Jack: Yeah. And so there's a bunch of crap like that. The Bible is filled with a bunch of individuals that could have potentially have been following Jesus. Have been individuals.

Cristina: That makes sense. The church is making monsters. Why not?

Jack: Yeah, we've already established that the church makes monsters pretty regularly just to get.

Cristina: Rid of the monsters. They know how to create and destroy monsters. That's what they do.

Jack: Yeah. Church is crazy. Now, it's possible that Muhammad was also a vampire because he went through a lot of the same events. It's also possible that Jesus didn't immediately go to Transylvania.

Cristina: Oh, crap. He was trying to do the same thing somewhere else.

Jack: Yeah, he was trying to make different movements in different places. He would start get the ball rolling and go somewhere else. And it didn't even need to be the same religion so long as he had a following of people who would continue to consume.

Cristina: And it's just easy to get really, just people on board or something.

Jack: Yeah. And it's not that he was doing anything malicious. It's just he's a monster. And if you think of like Dean's mentality from Supernatural, it's like, if it's a monster, you f****** kill it. It might even be good. Doesn't matter. You kill it.

Cristina: Kill it.

Jack: And so he wasn't like doing anything horrible. He was doing nifty magic tricks and giving people health, like, okay, whatever.

Cristina: But he was probably drinking people's blood.

Jack: He was totally drinking people's blood.

Cristina: We don't know if he actually killed people in the process.

Jack: I think he probably did, so. Yeah, they probably did. So fair enough. Fair enough. I guess the trade off is he would eat people who weren't his followers. But give those who were probably blame.

Cristina: It on demons or something.

Jack: Probably did. So that's probably the whole story behind Lucifer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like it was some other evil thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Probably talked about himself third person and called him Lucifer. Some thing is drinking your blood in the middle of the night. You got marks on your body. Check your body. I bet you do. They do. It's like, yeah, you see, you're letting demons into your home. You should let me into your home. Crazy little do they know, they already let him into you. But it's like you, you haven't Been hit by demons yet? Give it time. Unless you let me save you.

Cristina: That's so crazy. But where else has he been?

Jack: A bunch of places. But it's just the same story over and over. It's the same story over. Anytime you see the same story of a creature being revived or whatever, he's probably coming with the stories from his land. It's not that the events happened again, but rather he comes and tells us, you know, casually talking with somebody, you know, suave or whatever, and he just lets it slip and he's like, oh yeah, this happened. Like, holy crap, you're some kind of God or something. It's like, I guess I am. And now you got a whole. Hey, man, this Muhammad guy said he was like crucified or. So he died, came back three days later. You mean the guy who healed Bob just by waving his hand? Yeah, man, I think he's God or something. And so just that crap happens all time. Because Jesus as a con artist, he's kind of a narcissist. You can't help but keep talking about himself. So everybody eventually finds out and then whole new God. So it comes to be.

Cristina: Yes, but he doesn't mind having a different character that he's playing because he likes it. Because he.

Jack: Okay, little by little he kept fading away. Until now he's known as Dracula. Hiding in some castle where nobody could disturb him anymore.

Cristina: Cool.

Jack: And those are just woke facts right there. The truth about what this glorious day named Easter is.

Cristina: It's beautiful.

Jack: Yes. And he has his giant castle filled with chicken coops where he has all the eggs.

Cristina: I guess he drinks their blood now.

Jack: Chicken blood.

Cristina: Chicken blood, probably. Yeah. Maybe that's how he survives now. Chicken blood.

Jack: Why not? It's the true woke truth behind all of it. Yes, and I know that's just. So now you guys are all informed on how this works, I'm sure that it's very interesting to think that Seth might have been the original vampire. He was mentioned and ignored afterwards. Same thing with Enoch, who's briefly mentioned and ignored. But we can find the whole book of Enoch. And there was an original book of Christ, allegedly written by Christ called the book of Emmanuel, which was his original name. And they his name is mentioned, but the book can't be found. We could find the book of Enoch and his references to the book of Emmanuel, but there is no book of Emmanuel, which is an interesting problem that the church at no moment addresses.

Cristina: No, they say it's lost or something.

Jack: No, never existed.

Cristina: It never existed.

Jack: It never existed. It's mentioned. Like they missed removing that part.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: It's mentioned as existing in the Bible.

Cristina: Yes. Well, not the Bible, the Enoch.

Jack: Oh well here's the problem. The Book of Enoch is mentioned as existing and you can find the Book of Enoch.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now in some of the books that were removed from the Bible, of which there are 60 something different books completely retracted.

Cristina: In those books you can find mention.

Jack: Mention of the Book of Emmanuel.

Cristina: Why didn't they at least edit those?

Jack: I don't know. So you can find the mention of the book but you can't find the Book of Emmanuel. As if it doesn't exist. Exist. Like it was perfectly erased from all of existence.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: They did that on purpose. Come on.

Jack: They did that on purpose.

Cristina: What could be in his book, the Book of Emmanuel? What? What kind of crazy stories does he have?

Jack: That's nuts, right?

Cristina: Yes. Oh man. There's nothing for sure.

Jack: Nothing for sure. I've extensively tried to find this lame and I can't find any of it.

Cristina: What do the other books say about his book though? Do they give any hint to they.

Jack: Reference having read the Book of Immanuel? People held and people read the Book of Emmanuel. There was a true text written by Jesus Christ himself, Immanuel. And it's gone.

Cristina: But we have proof that people did read this text.

Jack: Yes. Obviously we got to assume if everything written in the Bible is bullshit to begin with. But if there was truth to any of it, there has to be truth to all of it. In which case there was a book by Jesus and that book has been completely destroyed and removed from existence by the church. So no matter what, there's a suppression effort that predates our current time.

Cristina: Of course. That's so crazy. Like the whole aliens might have written the Bible or inspire the Bible.

Jack: You mean like what's his name, Michael Horn was talking about?

Cristina: No, the thing we heard from mysterious Universe.

Jack: I don't remember. Anyways, I hope this has excited you all for Easter. That's tomorrow. I hope you guys have Russian buy some eggs and make sure some of them are chocolate. Jesus gonna come and steal your eggs. You don't want him to eat your chocolate eggs.

Cristina: But if you find Jesus though, can you ask him to turn into a vampire?

Jack: Maybe. He'd probably be down. He's not. He's a cool a** dude. He doesn't give a crap. Whatever.

Cristina: That'd be pretty cool.

Jack: It's just a sort of game you play.

Cristina: There's also a chance that he might just suck all the blood out of you and you die.

Jack: Also a problem.

Cristina: There's a little risk in that too.

Jack: But the whole thing is just a game you play because of the days that Jesus was stealing eggs. It's in honor of Jesus stealing all the eggs. And you hide them so he doesn't.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Anyways, if you guys want to hear more lovely things about Jesus Christ, of which we only have nice things to say, an infinite number of episodes that all include us talking about religion in depth and many other type of topics of many different sorts.

Cristina: Related.

Jack: Yeah, we're definitely way more informed than the church. The church listens to us.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Anyways, if you want some of that stuff, you can find all of that on the official website, grey thoughts.info or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and anywhere you get your podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok at just convopod.

Jack: Yes, send us some nifty messages. Talk to us. Well, not. Not us. We're not even on that. But, you know, talk to people who work with us and they'll tell us stuff or whatever the crap. I don't know. Just.

Cristina: We'll talk to you through this.

Jack: Yes, we'll. They'll tell us what you said and we'll come and talk crap about it on this end. And remember to subscribe and rate the show. And if you feel so inclined, review.

Cristina: It and let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. If you have friends that love holidays and religion and they love God and they show them they love the true history of God, we speak woke truth.

Cristina: See?

Jack: So you tell them about this episode and they're gonna be like, thanks, man. I knew you were a cool one. I know you were real one. This whole time, bro, you never questioned my faith. You never mocked me. I know you don't believe in God, but I respect that you respect that I do believe in God. And I appreciate you giving me this Christian, this very Christian episode, talking about God and Easter. I. I appreciate you, man. They're gonna love you way more for it.

Cristina: Yes. And this has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. First in the welders come. Anyways, in my weird searches through the Internet, I came across a. An ad. And the ad had no words. It had two cups on each side. And then somebody started pouring white fluids into one, into both of them. And then one of them stopped, like, halfway. And then the other one kept filling up, up, kept filling up, kept filling up. And then on the screen, it showed up got c**. And then they showed a bottle of some pills you can take to increase your sperm count. And it said more come more fun.

Cristina: Is more come more fun?

Jack: I mean, I don't know if somebody likes to be glazed the up. I guess I like to be treated like a donut. Like a glazed donut.

Cristina: Okay, so they're not selling don't come though?

Jack: No, no, no, they're not. They're selling the pills that make you produce more c**.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So you can shoot milky loads at people.

Cristina: And this is advertised?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: What was it like through YouTube?

Jack: No, no, no, no. Just searching the Internet. You click on weird things and eventually occasionally they spam you, you know, in the little side things, which is like, well, this is some f***** up ad or some s***. And so, yeah, there was a c** production ad.

Cristina: Was that the weirdest thing you've seen.

Jack: When it comes to that? Yeah, that's probably. It was an ad for pornhub.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

March 20, 2021

Rambling 123: Moon Conspiracies

March 20, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

Moon Conspiracy, Space, Just Conversation, Podcast, Podcasting, Podcaster, Podcasts, Theory, Science, Moon Landing, Aliens

Was the moon landing faked? Is the moon an intricate hologram designed to hide what’s truly in our skies? Conspiracy theories of the moon unpacked!

Story:
Having recently sent subhumans to investigate the moon due to recent cow abductions and the need to give listeners Stockholm Syndrome, the duo decides to unpack some of the conspiracy theories surrounding our floating space neighbor. In the process the shocking realization that some of these conspiracy theories are possible rises. What’s most shocking is which of these conspiracies has particularly strong evidence in its favor! Find out which on this episode of Just Conversation!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

Stockholm Syndrome
Cheese Moon
Hologram Moon
Illuminati Moon Base
Moon Aliens
Faked Moon Landing
Hollow Moon
City on the Moon
Advanced Moon Technology
Crrow7777
Unlisted Satellite
Secret Moon Research
Area 51
Government Secrets
Ringing Moon

Art Design by Zero Lupo ( https://instagram.com/zero_lupo )

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are release.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discussed.

Jack: Yes. So grab your gun.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Casually load it up with rounds outside, in public, in front of complete strangers, one by one, while smiling at them. Then you close that revolver and you start walking towards them and you say, hey, we're gonna watch. I guess you could watch, theoretically. You just have to, like, travel back in time and come watch us. If you have a time machine, you.

Cristina: Watch us, but otherwise watch us on YouTube. You could, but you're not really watching. Watching us, but it's there.

Jack: Yeah, you could, theoretically, I mean, watch a still image, but you can hear. We're gonna hear a show. We're gonna go hear a show called the Just Conversation Podcast. And when they're like, what the f***? Who the h*** are you? You're just gonna lift your. They already saw you with the gun, and you already pinned it to, like, your belt. You're just gonna lift your shirt up a little and you're gonna repeat.

Cristina: I thought he was already holding it.

Jack: No, he was holding it. He put it. He pinned it into his, like, belt. And then he walked up and he's like, hey. Because he made sure they saw him walk over with the gun, and then he put it there. And then he's like, we're going to go watch. We're going to go listen to a podcast. And the people are like, no. And then he lifts up the shirt just a little to remind them that he has a gun that he just loaded in front of them. He's like, we're going to go listen to a podcast.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that's how you're going to get a listening companion. By the end of the episode, you're going to have a new best friend that's going to want to listen every time.

Cristina: Mm, this sounds great.

Jack: Definitely. That's how it goes. Look, people get Stockholm Syndrome. You just gotta.

Cristina: It's just gonna lead to them having someone to listen for the rest of their lives. I guess. Like, this person is just gonna.

Jack: Yes, but also you're gonna get rid of them. After this episode. You could tell Them to go home.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, you just needed them to hear one episode.

Cristina: Okay? The next episode.

Jack: Then you find a new listening partner. I feel like you don't know how the introduction of the show works. Why wouldn't it be the same person? How boring.

Cristina: I don't know. You said something about Stockholm syndrome.

Jack: Yeah, that's fine. They might not want to go after you forcefully put them in a situation in which they had to be there. But that sounds like personal problem. Okay, okay, like, bro, this is over. We do what we're gonna do. Go home.

Cristina: Oh, they might be too attached.

Jack: They might be too attached. But look, it sounds like a personal problem, okay? They're the crazy people at that point, that kind of individual, you can't trust them. Those are usually the freaking maniacs, right? Think of, like. Think of, like, flat earthers, right? They find another flat Earther, and they're immediately committed, and they're like, we're not gonna reinforce our beliefs with each other. That same emotional state is gonna f****** happen in this case. And they're just gonna be like, look, now. Now we're podcasting, and there's so much weird s*** in here. They're already the type of person who gets Stockholm syndrome. Then they're just gonna be the kind of person who's gonna believe all the crazy conspiracies and all the crazy s*** that we talk about on the show. They are now convinced they're converts to what?

Cristina: Many things that we like.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So many.

Jack: They're part of the clone army.

Cristina: They're part of the clone army.

Jack: That's what we call our fans, right? The clone army.

Cristina: We have a name for our fans.

Jack: No, they're just subhumans. Our fans. Yeah. We established this before, but we never say it. We got to say it all the time. There are. There are our listeners. Are the subhumans okay? Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Even though they're not the actual subhumans.

Jack: Even though they're not the actual subhumans. Yeah, we actually have subhumans, which we sent to the moon recently to prove that it was made of cheese.

Cristina: Is that.

Jack: Was that. There was a cheese castle or some s***?

Cristina: There's definitely a cheese castle.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Aliens who were obsessed with cheese, I guess.

Jack: Yeah. And that's why they steal the cows.

Cristina: I remember. Yes.

Jack: I remember. I remember one of those glorious conspiracy theories that was created by who the f*** knows what. That's kind of crazy when you think about it. Does somebody. I mean, I guess all the moon conspiracy theories are nuts, but, like, the Fact that there's one about cheese on the moon.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, whoa, dude.

Cristina: Ah, it looks similar to cheese. I can't believe someone actually believes that it's made out of cheese.

Jack: Do you think it's just like trolling? Like a troll conspiracy maybe?

Cristina: Like, you really think people there's like a real conspiracy that, man.

Jack: I wouldn't be surprised.

Cristina: The moon is made up cheese.

Jack: I wouldn't be surprised. I would. I would totally not put it past at least one person on earth. There's 7.5 billion people on this planet. One of them thinks the moon is made out of cheese.

Cristina: For real?

Jack: For real. Like, swears that that moon is made out of cheese. They probably can't explain how, but they're like, I also don't know how the sun works. So like, you know, they're rationalizing it and s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, I don't even know how the sun works. You tell me how air functions. So why can't the moon be made out of cheese? You know that logic instead of the freaking anti vaxxer logic. It's like, I don't get it. Therefore it must be wrong. Yeah. I don't understand physics. So it's wrong. Scientists are lying.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's like, I'm sure that's not how anything works. Just because you don't f****** understand does not mean it is a lie. It kind of means you're stupid. Really?

Cristina: No. The Earth is flat and the moon is made out of cheese. These two things make sense together.

Jack: Not only that, not only is the earth flat and the moon made out of cheese, but the moon orbits in a circular motion around the edge of the disk with the sun opposite. Opposite the moon. I'm not entirely sure why the sun is opposite the moon on this f****** thing, but whatever. Maybe they do. Well, no, we see the moon and the sun together sometimes, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So do they believe that the moon or the sun moves faster than the other? Like the sun is the faster one that makes whole lapse every day while the moon doesn't.

Cristina: Yes, maybe. Or maybe they don't realize that happens.

Jack: And they're like, they're always opposite each other and when they see the moon in the sky, they're like, that's some other s***.

Cristina: Yes, yes, man.

Jack: Like, I'm not surprised. I wouldn't put it past anybody. You know, that's kind of how this goes. But like. All right, so a bunch of people believe a bunch of crazy s*** about the moon, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The most consistent one is the the moon landing was faked.

Cristina: Yeah. Because that's the most, like, that's all.

Jack: Anybody knows about the f****** moon. Yeah, the moon. Land people landed on the moon.

Cristina: That was the biggest event.

Jack: But look. Oh, God. Some of the f****** things they discuss are so stupid about that. Yeah. For example, the. The light contrast, the fact that you look up and there's no stars. The fact that they. They see the moon reflecting. This is the moon is really, really bright, but they don't see stars in.

Cristina: The sky like these in that photo or I read.

Jack: Not the photo in the photos and videos. And like, there's explanations behind all of this s***, but they're not gonna pay attention to any of it. They're really, really unbelievably fixated on it being fake. And even if you present them with all the evidence that says we can replicate the exact circumstances that answer any one of these things, well, if you.

Cristina: Replicate it, you just prove that you faked it because you just. Like, that's no. That what they think.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no. I don't mean replicate it in a fake manner. I'm saying you can prove that these instances happen.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like that we can suppress the stars from the sky with a bright enough light in contrast to those stars, the suppressing them, things like that. And so they are, I don't know, people crazy. They want to believe what they want.

Cristina: To believe what was, like, the craziest thing they think of the moon. Or like what people think, like, the.

Jack: Craziest thing they think of the moon. I would say that the moon is a hologram.

Cristina: As a hologram.

Jack: That is crazy.

Cristina: That is pretty crazy.

Jack: Yeah. They think the Illuminati is doing it.

Cristina: And why are the Illuminati doing it?

Jack: Well, there's a multitude of reasons. I think the Illuminati is doing it primarily because they probably have a secret base that is on the moon for the elites who are part of the Illuminati to hang out because they're filthy rich and can afford going to the moon, which theoretically means they've been able to go to the moon for very, very long, maybe even longer than the moon.

Cristina: But it's not really a moon.

Jack: There is a moon up there.

Cristina: Oh, there is a moon.

Jack: In this scenario, there is actually a moon, but there's a hologram moon projected over the moon to hide the fact that the moon is its own civilization, essentially for elites.

Cristina: How does this.

Jack: This is no different hologram than flat earth. And over the ice wall that we're not allowed to cross, there being cities for elites. Okay, this is the we believe in science but they're lying to us version of we're crazy.

Cristina: Okay. But I don't understand. Like, there's cities under the hologram. How does this hologram work?

Jack: Hologram is. Well, we can't. The hologram is just projected onto the moon.

Cristina: Onto the moon?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That's just so crazy. Okay, but like, if the people on the moon, when they look up, they just see the hologram of the moon.

Jack: The people on the moon?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No, the people on the moon just see Earth. The hologram is on them.

Cristina: It's on them. Okay.

Jack: Look at it like this. If you stand in front of a projector.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Looking back at the projector, you just see the light that's projecting the thing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But if you turn around, you will see the thing, the thing being projected.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're on the side of the projector, seeing what's projected. They're on what's being projected. Just seeing where the projection is coming from.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. And not even necessarily seeing a giant light coming from the sky where Earth would be, because it doesn't actually need to be literally so. Exactly. On the moon. They're just probably obscuring a part of the sky, preventing anybody from seeing the moon.

Cristina: Okay. Are they also the ones like, there's something in the dark side of the moon, or is that a whole different thing?

Jack: That's a whole other thing that has to do with the Apollo moon landing.

Cristina: That's the new. How?

Jack: Well, they think that the reason we don't go back is because the moon landing was real. But when we landed on the moon, we found something. We found something. We found many somethings.

Cristina: Like, alien something.

Jack: Yeah. It ranges. There has been talks that they have found buildings, they have found technology, they have found a bunch of different things. And on the dark side of the moon, particular, like on the surface, where it's not the dark side where we could see, there were little things here and there. But on the opposite side, on the dark side, which isn't really dark because it gets lit all the time. We just don't see it happen. There were buildings, maybe even alien settlements, maybe even alien civilizations.

Cristina: But, like, the aliens are alive. Are they there right now or is like ancient stuff?

Jack: Like, don't know. None of that is clear. It could have been. I'm sure this variance. These in some cases are probably like, we saw aliens and they were like, don't come back. In other cases, like, there was abandoned cities. That means there's something out here that killed Them?

Cristina: Yeah, that could totally, you know, sounds so horror.

Jack: Like the xenomorph is just really hanging up on the moon and s***.

Cristina: Yeah, that would stop us from going back.

Jack: Yeah, it's nuts. Like the possibilities of a city on the moon on the dark side. How would be nuts? That'd be so crazy. That would be really cool.

Cristina: Yeah, but what about all these planets to go to the moon? Do they not matter? Would all of these theories just disappear?

Jack: Well, no. All you got to think about relative to that is who's going up to the moon.

Cristina: Oh, because it's going to be astronauts.

Jack: It's the same f****** people who are hiding the secret in the first place.

Cristina: What about when they have just regular people eventually are going to be able to at least go around the moon? I think.

Jack: Yeah. I would argue that they're going to one, make routes that don't go through the dark side. That's the far end of the moon. We're probably not going to circle around the moon. We're probably going to fly by the moon. Thus the courses in which the route that we travel is intentionally planned so that people don't see giant cities.

Cristina: Okay, but they would at least show us where the actual landing spots are. I mean that should be proof for that. One thing that people worry about, like, is that real? We could finally see it.

Jack: Well, here's what's interesting. Yes, that should totally be up there. There is a conspiracy about the moon landing that suggests that the moon landing did happen, but it didn't happen when we thought it happened.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it goes like this. The idea is that the Russians were getting too close technologically to actually be able to reach us there. And because we're f****** egotistic maniacs, we couldn't let that happen. We have to be there f****** first. Because we're, we're the best, America.

Jack: That sounds right. Right. So we were like, no, we gotta do it. But we couldn't. And so we saw that they're just a couple of days from launching some s*** that'll get up there.

Cristina: So we did it.

Jack: So we faked it.

Cristina: We faked it.

Jack: Okay, we faked it. But that's not to say the moon landing didn't happen. They just obscured the timelines. And it goes like this, right? So we go into a facility in which we recreate the conditions we expect to see. Einstein's theory of relativity is pretty spot on. The last bit was proven after we saw gravitational waves. He's been a hundred percent right about everything. He's Ever predicted. Meaning basing everything on that, we had a pretty accurate estimate of what was going to happen when we got up there. We knew how the gravity was going to work. We knew how everything was going to function.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: So we replicated what it would have been like to be up there, how the sky would look, how the. The moon's surface would look and all these things. And we did sort of a rehearsal landing where we land on the moon or whatever, but it's really a pool, the inside of a ginormous pool where we have the people.

Cristina: And we recorded that or something.

Jack: Yes. And we record that part and we digitally remove bubbles and crap like that. That's moving around in the water to enhance the moon effect. Now, everything that was done with all your scientists, you leave no room for error. You leave no room for chance. Everything is scripted to the T. Okay. So everything you were going to do on the moon, you had to rehearse anyways.

Cristina: Yeah. So.

Jack: So that, you know, step by step, everything you were gonna do, how you were gonna do it, why you were gonna do it, every inch of everything had to be. You have to know how long you're on there. You have to move quickly. Don't waste feel no nothing. And so they replicate what was going to happen, and they record it and then air that. And it probably doesn't even air live. Like, they record the whole s*** first. They edit the whole thing and then they pretend it's live. They show it on tv. They make a big thing about it. Everybody's all excited. The Duke's mind blows out of his skull and he's like, whoa, these guys are my heroes.

Cristina: They're the manliest men in the world.

Jack: Yes. All of this and it didn't even happen. They were still planning to go to.

Cristina: The moon, and they eventually did.

Jack: Months to years later, they take the trip to the moon and do everything that was rehearsed. All of it. The flag is where it needs to be, the technology abandoned where it needs to be. Everything is where it needs to be. Because that was all part of the plan anyways, so that when people do travel through the moon, tourism and blah, blah, blah, they can land and see what was really there from the real moon landing, just not the one that they watched on tv. But it was identical. There's no difference other than it happened later.

Cristina: When it comes to the video, wouldn't people be able to know if it was edited in a special way?

Jack: People swear they think they can tell.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Jack: That's consistently an argued thing. People look at the video all the time and they're like, look at this glitch and look at that glitch. And blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Cristina: Oh, but they do that with like the. The map of the world and stuff like that.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Everybody's crazy. They do it with some s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's like the. The 911 bombing thing with the plane. It's like. Well, it looks like this from here. Looks like that from there was clearly edited.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: So it's like that's always f****** happening.

Cristina: That happens a lot. Okay. Yeah.

Jack: Literally everything.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's crap that isn't even conspiracy theories that people just start making, digging into videos and being like, I see discrepancies. It's.

Cristina: Yes, yes. Okay. And a lot of evil clouds. For some reason. It's either some type of bomb or you see the devil in the clouds.

Jack: Oh, my God. That happens all the time. Yes. Anytime anything happens, if there's a fire, I see the devil in the fire. Those are usually religious people.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Demons and.

Cristina: But yes, it's like one is a bomb or two evil clouds.

Jack: The other one is when the sky behaves a certain way. Like normal phenomena. That's just rare, I guess. Not normal, but phenomenon. That's just rare.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like the sky parts in a certain way and the God ray shoots from a specific direction and people are like, God is up there. Whatever. And it's like, man, that was just the clouds opening up in that one patch. Come on.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like. No, you see, God is shining on a spot. There must be something important over that spot.

Cristina: It's always.

Jack: People need something to believe in, man. Whether it's a conspiracy theory or that God is aiming at like a grass patch or some.

Cristina: That's crazy. Has it. Have anyone seen Jesus on the moon yet?

Jack: Jesus on. I'm sure they have. There's some. There's so much weird s*** about the moon, man. People think the craziest thing about it, like the fact that the moon is hollow. People swear. People swear the moon is hollow.

Cristina: So there's a. Cities outside and it's hollow inside. Or the cities are actually inside this.

Jack: No, these are different conspiracies, okay? They're not all. It's not that the moon is hollow. There's a hologram on the moon landing whistle. Faked. But it did happen late. Like, it's not all. I mean, I guess it could be.

Cristina: Theoretically, someone could have thought all of these things are true at once.

Jack: They probably stitch it together in some manner, shape or form. To make it make sense.

Cristina: Yeah, like with the Illuminati things and all those conspiracy. There's a someone who connects every single event to that same one thing. Yeah, so it can happen with the moon.

Jack: Look, let's be real. We know the Illuminati doesn't do anything. We work for the Illuminati. We're here informing you. We wouldn't be telling you that the moon landing was fake. If it's real, we're telling you it's real. Of course I don't f****** know it's real. But I know that our bosses aren't responsible for anything. But there is definitely somebody out there trying to stitch everything. And based on how often we get blamed for everything, it. Like, if anybody was responsible, it would f****** be us. Right? Based on how often the Illuminati gets blamed.

Cristina: Yeah. So this probably has something to do with us.

Jack: It doesn't. But if anybody was to blame, like, who's the most likely culprit? If everybody says it's you, it's probably you. We know it's not. But, like, if it all. All of this is crazy, but if it all turned out to be true, then, s***, it was probably us.

Cristina: Well, yeah, we do know about the aliens who are obsessed with arches.

Jack: Yeah. And they steal all our cows to create. They need them for infrastructure. This has been established. Yes, the aliens on the Moon, on the dark side of the Moon, abduct cows.

Cristina: But any proof on this hollow thing?

Jack: Yes, there's actually a crazy little bit of proof which is kind of fascinating.

Cristina: Crazy little bit.

Jack: It's small and also big.

Cristina: Okay, what's that?

Jack: It's the craters on the Moon.

Cristina: The craters themselves.

Jack: Yes. There is a literal problem which scientists don't really understand even today, why this is the case. But the conspiracy kind of comes from that question mark, which is. The craters on the Moon are very shallow. They are very, very shallow.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: For the size that they are in width. If something impacted them that f****** huge, it should be way deeper. But it's not.

Cristina: But it's not.

Jack: The impact somehow didn't penetrate dirt. Loose dirt. It couldn't, for whatever reason. And the assumption is that the reason is because beneath the surface is a metal hole. And the. The meteors that hit the Moon go as far as the metal hole and shatter there, because they can't penetrate that.

Cristina: Ooh. So this is just an explanation to something that we already have questions about.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: That's the best place to put a conspiracy.

Jack: That is the best place to put a conspiracy. It's kind of how God happens. It's like we got questions about this thing. That's because God did it. Yes, God did it. Why didn't that rock penetrate to the center of the moon? God did it.

Cristina: There is pro. Is that now.

Jack: I mean, that's probably like God is protecting the moon.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I don't know. But the smaller meteor meteors at land, the smaller meteors that hit the moon leave proper sized, but not the great ones, but not the big ones. The big ones seem to stop abnormally shallow. And there's no answer for that. That's how they measured. The question comes out of that. If it was just that it was very dense, a rock hitting it would leave a shock wave which would expand the dirt.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But not pierce too deep. But it doesn't apply when you hit it with something smaller that still seems to go as deep as it should and as wide as it should. If we didn't have the small ones behaving the way they should, then we'd just be like, well, no, all of them do the same thing. It's just really thick, dense dirt. And when they hit, it stops them to some degree. And so it's way shallower, even if the shockwave still disturbs the surface. But the small ones don't do that. It's only after a certain depth gets reached that it just stops suddenly.

Cristina: That is strange.

Jack: Yep. Alternatively, the real argument should be that the moon is incredibly credibly dense. But the fact that there's low gravity beats that argument. If it was very, very dense, it would have a lot of gravity.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But because it doesn't have a lot of gravity, we know the center isn't dense. But why is it stopping f****** giant meteors from piercing?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Kind of weird problem, right?

Cristina: It's a weird problem.

Jack: Yeah. So they believe. Yes. Hollow in the middle. But it has a hull that they're impacting. There's something inside the moon. Maybe civilizations. Maybe it's an alien spaceship. That's a crazy one too. They believe that the moon.

Cristina: Okay, but that now we're going to.

Jack: Different things variants of what the moon being hollow means. So before there was explanations of the moon being hollow.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now what does it mean that it's hollow? So one is that there is alien civilizations there to just move them to a good system. And they found a planet in the right zone that they could park their ship around.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they live in there and they don't bother us or anything. They're just living their lives or whatever. And it's self sustained. They just need energy. Maybe their own system, maybe their own system is too dead. Maybe the star exploded and the trip somewhere else is too far. Maybe just getting here was too difficult. And so they're just here, they're just staying here. So they just parked around the perfect spot.

Cristina: So they're just living in the moon.

Jack: Just living in the moon.

Cristina: People who believe in the hollow moon thing are they all, do they all believe that there's aliens in there or do some just think it's hollow? But that doesn't mean equal aliens?

Jack: Yes, there are some people that believe it. Well, in every instance the hollow moon kind of equates to aliens, but in different contexts. Like we were saying before, there could be a city on the dark side of the moon that has been attacked and is dead.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Similarly, it could be an abandoned hollow moon. The inside of the moon could have dead civilizations. Maybe it's ancient.

Cristina: Okay, so it could have naturally been hollow somehow. No, that's not a possibility.

Jack: No, nature doesn't work that way.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Everything starts from the center and builds outwards.

Cristina: Oh, all right.

Jack: So in the case of the hollow moon having a dead civilization, the two arguments are back to the xenomorph exaggeration, something them up. And that goes back to why we don't want to go back. Like whatever. We don't want to accidentally bring with us whatever the f*** we saw or we found out, or we got DNA for or whatever. We're like, we're not f****** with this. But it could have just been that there is ancient advanced technology up there from creatures that either built the hollow moon and lived in the hollow moon and went extinct over millions of years of being there, and that's it, they're just a civilization in there that expired.

Cristina: There's probably some aliens still there.

Jack: Who knows, There could still be aliens. That's a whole thing that there's probably still filled with, but it's self sustained. All their farms, all their food, all their everything is inside. So they don't really have to leave. And this goes to that sort of advanced. If you remember how the Mayans plugged into the matrix, essentially they could have the same thing. So they don't have to explore the universe. Okay, they just have these virtual realities which are extremely complicated and they just stay inside the moon without having to come out. Alternatively, the moon could have also been their main outpost, the inside of the moon where they had all their technology, other things. As they got ready to evacuate the system and keep exploring the rest of space. So it's not that they died, it's that they abandoned this, which to them is now ancient technology, but to us is extremely advanced that we can't understand it. And then this hollow moon theory of there being technology up there, whether it's that aliens are still up there, whatever, blah, blah, blah, builds into the hologram moon, in which they project a hologram onto the moon so that people don't see anything. But we're consistently making trips to try to study and understand technology. And then this dates backwards to where we start getting technological advancements that blow up. We got crappy ship, rocket fueled, barely any computer power. Our cell phone has more computer power than a f****** rocket from the 60s that got us to the moon. But technological advancement explosion began around the time that we landed on the moon.

Cristina: Where all those UFO conspiracies and Area 51 conspiracies after that.

Jack: Yes. The Roswell and all this bullshit.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: There was like whispers about things, but it started to get really solidified, started to boom way too much. And people are like, why didn't we have these advancements before at this rate? So only after a certain period is there just an increasingly faster development of technology.

Cristina: So the possibility of we found alien technology.

Jack: Yes. And we are reverse engineering it. And there's so much of it that we can't let civilians into the moon or onto the moon. And so we project so that they don't even see us going up there regularly. We're like, we don't go to the moon, but we can keep bringing technology over and over and over and improving, reverse engineering, taking it to facilities on Earth, Keeping some up there often. Yeah, it happens all the time.

Cristina: Oh, wow.

Jack: We work on. We get all our best scientists to work on something like, what the h*** is this name? The name of this guy? David Lazar. Bob Lazar. Bob Lazar, Yeah. So we get people like him to work on the technology that we've found and we're like, so we need you to reverse engineer, break it apart, tell us what's happening, explain all the details that are going on to us.

Cristina: But then that's going into like, there are actual aliens around. Do you think there's.

Jack: No, not necessarily. There's actual aliens around. Maybe they found corpses and like, they probably have like graveyards up there if that's the case.

Cristina: Oh, okay. But you don't think there's. Or like, one doesn't mean the other.

Jack: Yes. Unless they are just getting technology from aliens and there's just some people who are allowed to communicate with the aliens.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like Barbalizar said, there were aliens. That they were literally working with them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And those aliens would in theory just be on the moon or in the moon. And we got technology from them. They're like here. You guys can figure this out. This is old to us but you guys can have it. And good luck figuring it out. I know our communication is rough, but we understand. We're peaceful. You're peaceful. Relatively speaking. And good luck. Figure it out then. Maybe we trade tech with them all the time.

Cristina: Things we've come up with the trade tech with them. But maybe because we'll figure something out that they didn't think of.

Jack: Yeah. 100. There's no way two civilizations landed on exactly the same things. I theorize that we could have even landed on different systems entirely of thought. Like we came up with math and we think it's inherent to the universe. But like, who the f*** says, like, yes, what we measure works. But imagine somebody else, a different life form lands on a different thing that isn't math and it works.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. Something entirely different that isn't math at all. And it works.

Cristina: Yes. What we would consider magic, etc.

Jack: And so we trade what we have with them.

Cristina: That's awesome.

Jack: So these are all just possibilities. And that's actually really, really interesting to me. The fact that there could be so much crap on the moon.

Cristina: But you actually believe some of these conspiracies then.

Jack: Not really. There's no reason to believe or disbelieve.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It really lands on the fact that we have to assume that the gut. Now this is an easy one to hide though. I don't know how the f*** the. It would have to be a hollow moon. I don't believe the hologram part. That's a weird one.

Cristina: That's very weird.

Jack: But if we're making trips up there, we see crap, fly into space all the time. We can't tell the difference. Like who the f***. It's a satellite. It's a rocket headed to the moon. Like who the f*** knows? You know? We're not out here looking. So they could be making trips all the time. They don't need no f****** hologram. They just lie about what the h*** it is. So the hologram part. Maybe I'm not so sold on that one. But the dark side of the moon having civilizations and stuff, that makes sense to me. That could be possible. I'm not saying I believe it, but it could be possible. Alternatively. There's also the conspiracy that the moon is not just hollow, obviously artificial, but it wasn't. Again back to the ship that's put there because aliens are using it to not share technology, not just find the hot spot to live or whatever. They're observing us.

Cristina: Okay. So it's to watch us.

Jack: It's an observatory.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They moved it there so they can want. And that's why it's title locked with Earth. They're making it so that we don't see them, but they're up there and they're watching and studying and they do make regular trips and what we see coming through and when we catch alien space. That's really.

Cristina: They're working on the documentary of Earth.

Jack: Yeah. They could just be studying humans, studying how life evolves, how primitive creatures move and behave and discover space travel and blah blah, blah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They could have been there for way longer that. How long has the moon been there? The stories of the moon, forever. Yeah. So they could have been. That just could be an alien outpost and observatory that's been there for millions of years.

Cristina: Yeah. Where they placed it there or they placed.

Jack: Yeah, well I mean they placed it there, but it could have been there since before we started recording s*** before.

Cristina: We were even a human or even you know like a thing.

Jack: They just found life beginning.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like that planet put it put. Put one of our satellites there. Which would be interesting because this is to say if they have the ability to track where life is beginning. Does every place with life beginning have a moon placed around it that's tidally locked so that there's always an observatory studying life Interesting.

Cristina: That is interesting place would man when we find life one day it's gonna.

Jack: Be pretty badass, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now that being said, I'm over here saying I don't believe in the. The holographic moon. Right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There are weird things relative to that that have happened. Like there was a guy, he was. He was a YouTuber 2013. He was. His name is Crow777. And he began just recording the moon regularly all the time and uploading it regularly.

Cristina: He just loved recording the moon, love.

Jack: Recording the moon until it got weird. On one of his random recordings he saw the moon ripple.

Cristina: Is he sure that's what happened? I don't know. That's weird.

Jack: That's weird, right?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He saw the moon ripple and it was the only thing in the sky to ripple. And it rippled the way a TV with crappy signal would. You know how that line just old school TVs. That line would just clear through it yeah. And static would form. It would, like, fuzz out a little.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: Yeah. And he called it the Glitch.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Is that still on YouTube?

Jack: I know, let's look for it. Okay, so that's f****** crazy, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He moves the camera and the ripple doesn't follow the camera. It stays where it was on the moon, gradually moving up.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: F****** weird, right? Yeah, it's very interesting. And so that is pretty compelling.

Cristina: Yes, please look at that. You could still find that on YouTube. We actually looked at it.

Jack: Yes. The YouTube channel is called CRRO W777. And you will find it. It was uploaded seven years ago and it's called the moon is not what you think it is.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And yeah, so that's a really weird thing that is there.

Cristina: He also mentioned something about Mars. Something else is going on. What?

Jack: Yeah, they didn't want to give him stuff for that. But relative to the moon, he. He has an interesting video there. It's kind of interesting. It's. He tries to be scientific. He tries to disprove as much as he can, and he swears there's a moon there. He's not saying there's no moon there.

Cristina: Yes. He's just suspicious whether the full moon, when we see it as the full moon, is that really what we're looking at?

Jack: Yes. He does not trust that what we see is. That's really there.

Cristina: Just. But the other times, though, when the moon is in the other phases, we are probably seeing it as is, because whatever we know.

Jack: See, that's where it gets weird, because he's assuming that sometimes it is, sometimes it's not. But we have technology to pierce that too. So it should be up there all the time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The moon probably has the phases we see, but if there is a hologram, the hologram also has the ability to project those same phases to be consistent with how the moon would behave in case some physicist or somebody is looking and trying to angle, like, no, wait, the moon is in the wrong phase. Because they can't just have the moon be full all the time, but it's done to cover something up. So if we have the hologram, then it's always there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that takes us to a different situation in which a man called David Johnson found and filmed a unlisted satellite.

Cristina: Oh, what?

Jack: Yeah, just wandering. And he found a satellite that's not listed. He's not sure what it. But it was functional. It was on. And he sees that it's aimed at the moon, which is also very weird. So he recorded that, uploaded that, and the. He is assuming that this is a projection point. One of multiple projection points.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: To be able to generate the image of the moon. Because why is there an unlisted satellite.

Cristina: Just looking at the moon?

Jack: Just looking at the moon.

Jack: So, yeah, that was a really weird one.

Cristina: That is very strange. What?

Jack: Yeah, so there. There are weird things about some of these cases that are, you know, supporting evidence, you could say. Like, nothing is for sure. Like, we don't know. Just because you found an unlisted satellite and maybe somebody's just secretly studying the moon, what the f***? They could do whatever the h*** they want.

Cristina: Yeah. No connection to actual scientists or secret government.

Jack: Yeah, there's no Illuminati running that thing. It's just people. Same thing with the hologram. Maybe there was some weird glitch happening in the camera that couldn't be explained. Maybe something about the light coming off of the moon was strange and the camera couldn't process it properly, and so it was trying to. But the panning is weird.

Cristina: The panning is super weird because it.

Jack: Should move with the camera.

Jack: That's a weird one. I don't know what to say about that, but that's a very, very strange one.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, there are arguments that people have tried to make about the moon being a hologram. They say, you know, like, the moon predates hologram technology. But they obviously, obviously, you can't use reason to fight stupidity because you're like, it predates the hologram technology. And then the immediate response from the people who swear the moon is a hologram is all that data was tampered with. Oh, all the proof and all the ancient articles and every. All of it, everything, all history and stuff about the moon is fake. They tampered with it to make. To make us believe. Mad tampering. See, that's the least likely possibility. Yeah, it's too much work.

Cristina: That's a lot of work. Like, when the hologram happened, it was probably in front of our eyes and we didn't notice. Like.

Jack: Yeah, that's crazy.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: It's super nuts to even believe that. For some instances, they do believe that there isn't a moon at all, that there was once a moon and there no longer is a moon. It's not sure why there is no longer a moon, but that's why we have the hologram to replace the fact that at some point there was a moon and now there isn't.

Cristina: But there's something there or there's just. For some reason we just decided to put a. Had long.

Jack: There's just a hologram.

Cristina: No explanation. Like, it's just. We have.

Jack: Well, there's. Well, there's two different ones.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Something happened to the moon and we replace it. Maybe some. Maybe we were running experiments that destroyed the moon or something. And to hide that fact.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We put the hologram there so that nobody even knows we destroyed the moon. Alternatively, we come back to the Illuminati, we're the boogeyman. Be scared of us.

Cristina: What do we do?

Jack: They believe that there is no moon and that we've invented these holograms to fund moon research and milk society for money that way.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: How much are we making off of this?

Jack: Not enough for the level of expense going into generating the hologram and paying the actors who would then pretend to go research. Like, there's a lot of moving parts here. I feel like we wasted way more than we get out of it.

Cristina: We're just having fun with it. It's not. There's no reason for it, I guess. Like, it can't be for the money.

Jack: Trolling. We're just trolling. We're just trolling.

Cristina: That is crazy. Yeah, but if there was a moon there and then there's no longer a moon there, how is the moon still affecting us in the way it always affected us if it's not really there?

Jack: Interesting, right? Like these can't be possible. These are the least believable ones when it comes to hollow moon. That's interesting. When it comes to the moon hologram. Only if there's a moon there and only if there's point something there. Yes.

Cristina: There has to be something there that still does the same.

Jack: I think the hollow moon is the most likely out of all the crazy moon things. Obviously the. I guess the really, really most likely one is that the moon landing was faked, but did happen. Now that it was fake, that didn't happen. I just know the US kind of likes the bullshit once in a while. We're known for lying about s*** consistently to everybody all the time. So I wouldn't put it past us that the moon landing did happen just f****** later than we claimed. We showed everybody bullshit on tv just to be like, we beat the Russians.

Cristina: There and then we redid it or did it for real. Yeah.

Jack: Once we dissuaded the Russians from going.

Cristina: That'S all the head.

Jack: We just did it. They're like, well, they beat us. We gotta stop now. And then we're like, good now we have time to do this. Right.

Cristina: Okay. That's more American.

Jack: That's the most believable. Followed by the hollow moon. So that there's probably some life up there. Aliens either watching us or civilization living inside of the moon, self sustained or trading with us. And then on top of that, we could build the hologram moon covering up civilization. Maybe they came, put the things that are projecting the moon on that direction so that we are hidden. So that they're hidden from us.

Cristina: Yeah. We're not doing the projection.

Jack: We're not even doing it. They just got s*** in our orbit spitting up a hologram to where the moon would be.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So any number of things could be happening.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And maybe they don't even need to be spitting anything up. Maybe they can see out of the moon, but we can't see into it. Like a two way mirror.

Cristina: So the only one you're not in the side of is that there's no moon.

Jack: That there's no moon. That's kind of weird and kind of crazy.

Cristina: Kind of.

Jack: Yes. But I think there's possibilities for the moon like the hologram. I'm not past the idea of a hologram.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's just the reasoning behind that seems the dumbest. But like, yeah, I could believe that there's people who have funded having a secret escape location. Like we were thinking about fallout shelters as a real means of survival in the past.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's the whole Fallout series of video games is based on the fact that that was a thought we had. Send the rich into the f****** bunks and f*** everybody else.

Cristina: Bunks in the moon.

Jack: Bunks on the moon. Makes sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Buildings being built for the last 70 years, whole structure civilizations. Maybe they go up there already all the time just to chill.

Cristina: That'd be crazy.

Jack: Well, that's part of one of these theories that they go up there all the time. That it's just we already have technology. Yeah. People on Earth go to the moon.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Elites, rich people.

Cristina: To hang out with aliens or just.

Jack: Just to hang out.

Cristina: Hang out.

Jack: No, aliens just. They go up there to chill.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: That's one of their escape locations to go. And in case of a tragedy on Earth, that's where they would go and live.

Cristina: That makes sense.

Jack: Yeah. That's totally believable. That's right up there with the moon landing being bullshit and then f****** being real later.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because that's exactly some s*** that we do.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: America's. F***, that's Earth as f***. Rich people are just like, f*** the.

Cristina: Little Guy, those billionaires.

Jack: Yeah. There's a f****** meteor headed towards us. We just go to the moon. F*** them.

Cristina: Yes. What?

Jack: That seems legit to me. That seems pretty accurate.

Cristina: But not the highest.

Jack: What a probability. Yeah, no, that's definitely the moon landing. The moon landing being faked is the most likely out of all of these. Not to say the moon landing was faked, but I think the moon landing was faked.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Not that it didn't happen. I don't think there was no moon landing. Those people are too extreme. I think America is full of s*** and we lied until we got it done.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then everything is up there. Go ahead and prove us wrong. If you went to the moon right now, you'd see all the things. But you're also full of s***. Because. Because I was later.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So I think that's probably the reality of the matter. We lied about the moon landing and this is f****** fine. Like, let's be real. Who the f*** cares? It got done.

Cristina: Yeah. But now they can't back off on their lie because then we're gonna be like, what else did they lie about? Yeah, well, definitely doing that anyway.

Jack: Definitely. The alien testing part.

Cristina: The alien testing.

Jack: Because they were like, yeah, we've been trying to contact and trying to. Like, they just said that recently about Area 51. Yeah.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: First it was. No, it's just for. First it was, Area 51 is not real.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then I guess it is real. It is real. Like, okay, so didn't tell us anything. We already know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then they're like, also, we got videos of things that are UFOs that we can't identify. And it's like, okay, f***. But like, we kind of knew already. And then they're like, yeah, and we run experiments here that might have to do things with aliens. Not to say we have aliens, but we run alien related experiments.

Cristina: Eventually they'll tell us they have a body.

Jack: Yeah, there's. They probably got a f****** body. And they're just inching. They're just little by little they can get there.

Cristina: When are they gonna just say so?

Jack: I don't know why It's a f******.

Cristina: Well, I guess we're more accepting over time. Like, would we have panicked originally? I mean, we were panicking. I don't know how this type of thing works. Like, you're trying not to get the people to panic, but they're already panicking from the little that they do know. And then when you finally tell them what they already know, they're not really panicking.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. They have all the rights not to. We thought a bug that was more or less at the time that we found out about it, 100th as deadly as the flu at the time that we found out about it. And now obviously worse. But at the moment that we found out about it, this s*** that we've dealt with crap a million billion times worse. We found that about everybody in the planet panicked. Panicked, lost their minds and became irrational as f***. Started to beat the living s*** out of each other. Inside stores for toilet paper. Yeah, for f****** toilet paper.

Cristina: But they were told not to panic. They were told it wasn't as bad as it looked and etc.

Jack: As a result, we can't really trust the collective intellect of people and just be outright that we have aliens. I'm 100% convinced mass suicides on behalf of religious people is move number one.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Mass suicides. Life is meaningless.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: Everybody kills themselves. So many. The majority of the world believes in f****** gods and s***. That just goes out the f****** window just instantaneously. Minus the ones resilient enough to be like, they're lying to us.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Minus that group of people. Everyone else who just believes everything a doctor and a scientist f****** tells them 100% of the time. No matter what the f*** it is, Those people just killing themselves, they're just gone forever.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're avoiding that.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's why we can't just be like, there's aliens. Because people would just kill themselves. They've proven in the case of toilet paper that we're too f****** stupid. We can't really handle anything. We just tell ourselves we can definitely. And it's really sad, but we. Yeah. They're inching towards it just to see if we're ready. Here's a little something. We're like, okay. Here's a little something else. Okay. The less we react, the more they give us. The more we react, the less they give us.

Cristina: That's a great way to do it.

Jack: Exactly. Because they know. They gaze where we're standing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's the AI from Alien. Yeah. If it's really, really hard, they ease off. They're like, okay. But if it's too easy, they start throwing more just to kind of, you know, bounce it off.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To efficientize.

Cristina: It wasn't just UFOs that they let us know. They also. There was like, something about elements that they didn't understand.

Jack: Yes. There's just things we don't get, period. A bunch of crap. Whether it be technology, Whether it be UFOs, whether it be things that should theoretically be on the periodic table orient, or just things. Just things. Little by little, letting that trickle happen.

Cristina: But no aliens yet.

Jack: But no aliens. As for the. The hollow moon because of the depth of these craters, that could not be figured out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They did run an experiment in which they got a ship all the way up there, the ship broke into two parts, and then they slammed one of the ships into the moon.

Cristina: They slammed the ship into them?

Jack: Yeah. They crash landed one intentionally. Oh, just to see vibrate.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Scientists.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I mean, who else is gonna slam a ship into the moon?

Cristina: Sounds pretty crazy.

Jack: Yeah, it's an experiment.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So this is to test vibration to sound and whatever. And the weirdest f****** thing happened with that. The moon began to ring like a bell. Like a bell for an entire hour.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Yeah. They landed, they crashed, and then.

Cristina: I don't understand. Okay. But then none of these things make sense because this is all about how they're lying to us. But they let us see this experiment and hear about this crazy nonsense about the bell ring, the moon ringing like a bell, but they're.

Jack: You just associated two completely random things that aren't related at all. People will just ignore the fact that that was done.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Obviously, if they're showing us something, people are gonna be like they're lying. Okay, so assume anything they show us, people just think they're lying.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's just. There's no reason to connect the two. This is anything the scientists did and anything the conspiracy theorists believe unrelated.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Even though the scientists obviously have the same questions, these conspiracy theorists.

Jack: Conspiracy theories are filling up the fact that we don't have an answer for the question.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yes.

Jack: That's why it doesn't really matter. It's not this or that. It's kind of both.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But in doing that and smacking the ship into it, it started ringing. It rang for an entire hour. And the only way that could happen is if something is hollow, something solid would absorb the entire impact and not make a sound internally. But it was vibrating from the inside out. So theorize that. That could definitely. In trying to disprove it, they were like, oh, s***.

Cristina: And now they know, or not really. They don't know anything.

Jack: They don't really know why it rang, but it kind of supported the whole hollow argument.

Cristina: Is there a recording of the hollow ring?

Jack: No, I doubt it.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It's probably reported and crap.

Cristina: Yeah. That's crazy.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah.

Cristina: That's very Alien what?

Jack: Yeah, it's freaking crazy. And the fact that it rang for so long, it means there was a lot of hollow.

Cristina: A lot.

Jack: They slammed something going crazy fast into it. Didn't penetrate too far. Obviously it wasn't going that level of strength to penetrate. Even if it was, it would have to be like the size of a giant meteor smacking into it. But no, it just left a giant ring.

Cristina: But if we saw a giant meteor hit the moon, would we be able to hear that ring? Or like, I guess if they were there to record the sound, they'd be able to catch it.

Jack: I believe so.

Cristina: Yeah, that's true.

Jack: But also anybody who's immediate. Then again, if it's not kicking up a bunch of debris and junk, because there is something stopping it, which seems to be the case, I guess, wouldn't be dangerous to be around there. You just have to sort of dodge getting hit yourself. And with however large this thing is, the momentum it's with, you don't want it to pull you in with it. Its force.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. It'd be more complicated, I guess. We could have people there, we could have things there to record it. If we're lucky, it won't get destroyed. But, yeah, like it does. There's no harm of having something.

Jack: Yeah, you couldn't have. You don't want to risk just killing somebody for something dumb like that. But also, if there's a freaking meteor about to hit the moon, we got to get ready for, oh, yeah, like down here, we got to start making preparations. There's going to be meteor showers. There's going to be mass deaths. It's going to be crazy.

Cristina: We'll hide in the Hollow Earth, I guess.

Jack: But how long before enough of those s**** start causing earthquakes collectively because of the impact that's so consistent?

Jack: F***. Down there, yes. But out of all of these, like, crazy things, there's probably a billion more. But these are some of my favorite ones. I like the idea that there is a hollow moon and like the Mayans on Hollow Earth, that they, like, connected themselves to the matrix mode type of s***. I like the idea that on the hollow moon, aliens have connected themselves to some sort of matrix thing and have gone inward instead of outward. That's pretty cool. Maybe not all of them. Maybe that's just something they do naturally instead of exploring outward. They just, you know, live their lives in there. And it's like, hey, I'm going to the freaking arcade. And then plug into this virtual world inside. And they just do that for however Long. They want probably machines that new. Give them nutrition and crap.

Cristina: Do you think about aliens contacting humans and stuff?

Jack: That's a pretty cool idea too. Definitely possible. There is. One of the weird things we don't understand is why we became so intelligent, technologically speaking, around the 50s and expand so quickly. Now, when you look at our biology, we haven't, like, changed much since then. So that's a really interesting one. If you look at the past, we're very gradual evolvers. This part of our survival mechanism. We are really powerful at picking out what matters and writing that out. But there hasn't been a change since the f****** 50s and 60s, biologically speaking. That could just make us inherently way better at these things. And we had science for quite some time. We've had electricity for some time. For it to just suddenly happen around the time that we went to the moon, like, okay, that's kind of. That's kind of weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So there's some possibility to that. I do like the hollow moon idea that the aliens were there maybe for a very long time and then left. They were from Earth. Ancient advanced civilizations from Earth used the moon to then build the technology. Less gravity, and they can take off as a fleet to explore the rest of the stars. That's pretty cool.

Cristina: That's pretty cool. People, I guess, are rich. Using the moon as a getaway.

Jack: That's pretty cool, too. That's dope. It sucks that we're gonna be left behind in case of an emergency, but that's expected anyways.

Cristina: Yeah. Whether it's the moon or the Mars or wherever, they're just.

Jack: Yeah, they're bad.

Cristina: Nothing happens here. We're stuck here.

Jack: They'll all board an ancestorship.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, yeah, it doesn't f****** matter.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's the same story. Every possible scenario. And I like how a couple of these tie up together. So they landed on the moon later. So the moon landing was faked. The moon was hollow when they landed. And there was life on the other side. The things on the other side are advanced a lot. Life forms that are watching us.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Additionally, we agreed to them. Yes. They gave us technology regularly for NASA and the government that they interact with. And then we agreed to shield them further as our technology got better with holograms.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, like, we could tie all of these up together one way or another so they all function to some degree. The reasoning for some of them, kind of sketchy and dumb half the time, but it is cool that they can kind of function and be. Well, it is cool that we got there, but we lied about it first. And we did get there. We. We did get scared and didn't go back immediately, but did go back and communicate what was up there. And they gave us technology and we made packs and kept expanding and trading technology.

Cristina: So all the possibilities are pretty interesting. All the different ways this. All these things could work. Except for the moon not being there.

Jack: The moon not being there is f****** retarded.

Cristina: No matter.

Jack: Because we still have tidal wave. Not tidal waves. We still have tides.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that relies on the moon.

Cristina: Yes. Or at least something there.

Jack: At least something there. If. Fair enough. If the moon isn't there, something is there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And whatever that hologram is over is huge anyways.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because it has to be big enough to have tides on Earth.

Cristina: Yeah. That's the only problem with that one. And then everything else is fine.

Jack: Yes. Everything else works flawlessly.

Cristina: Or that. Then. Yeah. The whole Illuminati using money. Use. Getting NASA to make money or the fake moon or.

Jack: So dumb. There's no profit in that.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So dumb.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Yeah. I guess that's kind of how that goes. And that's basically why you need to go find somebody to listen to the episodes with.

Cristina: Yes. To learn about weird moon conspiracies.

Jack: No. So that they get Stockholm syndrome. Listen to the episode, and then you kick them out. But then they're gonna be. Get really clingy. Exactly the same way the conspiracy nutcases do about whatever subject they're talking about.

Cristina: Oh, crap. That's what you're talking about.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. You like how I brought that back around? I know what the point of this episode was. It was to say that people are psychotic.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And you're gonna make one of them extra psychotic and then regret it.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: But you would have had listened to an episode with the listening partner.

Cristina: Mm. And that's the most important thing.

Jack: Yes. And if you manage to get all those things done, then you can tell them, hey, crazy person who doesn't want to leave my home, I have a gun. If you forgot, get out.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, you got that gun to remind them exactly.

Jack: They're gonna leave no matter what. And you tell them, if you're really interested in this show and more things like it. They have so many episodes. You can find all their episodes. Guy or woman or other gender of any type that you would like to say. Xyz, the alpha Alphabet soup member. Listen. Alphabet soup member. You can listen to more episodes on the moon and other things. You can find that on the official website. If you Want guy, person, person. They. Hey, they. You can find them on the official website greatthoughts.info you. Could they. You could also find them on any other podcast platforms, like Apple Podcasts, Spotify, pretty much anywhere you get your podcasts.

Cristina: It's very confusing if you just change what the pronoun that you're using. Like you say they, then you say you, then you say he, then you say she, then you just keep on.

Jack: Yeah. Just keep shifting it as you move forward.

Cristina: That's crazy. If you could do that. Try it. And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok. On justcombopod.

Jack: Yes. And crazy person who doesn't want to leave my house. Remember, when you do listen, subscribe and rate the show. And if you feel so inclined. These guys are cool. They want your reviews.

Cristina: We do want your.

Jack: We do.

Cristina: We do. And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Crazy person. When you leave and you subscribe and you rate and you review after you've found the platform, which you prefer to listen to the show, that you're no longer gonna listen to it with me, you tell somebody else, here's a gun. There's no bullets. Because I don't want you to turn on me suddenly. But use this gun. And just how I got you to love this show and get Stockholm syndrome. Now you can go find. Find your own person to listen with.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: Do you just. What? What do they say? You pass it on.

Cristina: Is that what they call it? Yes.

Jack: Move. Passing it forward. Moving it forward.

Cristina: Moving it forward. Giving it forward.

Jack: Passing it.

Cristina: Giving it forward.

Jack: Giving it forward.

Cristina: That sounds right.

Jack: Some like that you something it forward. And now they're gonna go do the thingy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then their Stockholm syndrome person has the same experience, and they go. And the community grows on and on.

Cristina: Yes. This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: So now you're a part of the church of Shaggy, though.

Jack: Yeah. Actually, if you think of the order of the universe, it began as disorder, as chaos, and order came out of chaos.

Cristina: So it was first track.

Jack: It was first.

Cristina: Yes. And in the order of things, Shaggy came first.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Unless something represents nothing.

Jack: Well, here's.

Cristina: Or not nothing. Whatever came before this first?

Jack: Yeah, there was some. But I guess that that makes atheos not the top top. We have to say there's something bigger. Call it the God reality.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then reality was there because it's potential. And then the destructive explosion. Something is that we don't know which that one is. Then out of that explosion, chaos happen.

Cristina: Happen, Mr. Saggy. Oh, chaos.

Jack: Crap is everywhere.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And as things begin to form through balance, because Atheos things begin to destroy in equal pace, matter starts to form, collides with other matter that starts to form and thus Shaggy slamming planets and stars into one another.

Cristina: So that's the work of both Atheos and Shaggy.

Jack: Yes. That leads to the eventual settling perfect balance of entire star systems and galaxies and clusters of galaxies.

Cristina: And that would be have to do with Spaghetti Monsters.

Jack: Full order. It goes down the line.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It starts at kek between the collective work of Shaggy and Atheos. It gets form and then from that form, that balance, you then find logic. Hypostafarianism.

Cristina: Yeah. Pretty awesome.

Jack: The unification of beliefs. It's pretty fascinating.

Cristina: Yes. Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

March 13, 2021

Rambling 122: Leprechauns and Other Fairies

March 13, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

What creatures remained in Ireland after St. Patrick was done with it? And why did they stick around? Dissecting the concept of fairies on this episode!

Story:
The Duo dive into leprechauns and fairies in general in order to understand the true complex nature of what the aftermath of the St. Patrick Massacre was. A desolate, monster infested wasteland is the least of the problem for the people of Ireland. It gets worse when spirits are introduced!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

St. Patrick Demon Hunter
Jehovah the Demi-God
Sprites
Peter Dinklage
Navi
Tricksters
Giant Rat Fairy
Banshee
Succubus
Jeepers Creepers

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Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean? Welcome to Just Conversation, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideals in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

Cristina: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get get notified the second new episodes are released.

Jack: Yes, and also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner, so be sure to find somebody to make your listening partner, regardless of who they are, regardless of where they're from, regardless of. Even if you saw them on the street, casually, as they were walking, you point at them and you tell them, hey, you're my listening partner.

Cristina: And what if they walk away?

Jack: Well, then you resort to other means of getting that person who you've chosen and thus must be the one.

Cristina: They must be the one.

Jack: You chose them now. They are the one. They are the one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. That's how it goes. So the world works?

Cristina: You just make them the one?

Jack: You make them the one.

Cristina: Is it like love at first sight?

Jack: Yeah. You force them to be the one.

Cristina: The one.

Jack: The one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's your listening partner.

Cristina: That's not creepy.

Jack: No, no, it's very normal. People do it all the time.

Cristina: Mm. Guess what holidays coming up.

Jack: What holiday?

Cristina: St. Patrick's Day. Our favorite saint.

Jack: Yes, that's the OG saint. The saint that gets. He. Basically, he's God. He's the only guy God is scared of.

Cristina: He's a God. He's a guy God is scared of. What?

Jack: Yeah. God makes God do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, however he wants, simply because he wants.

Cristina: Yeah, well, God, I guess, isn't the only person afraid of St. Patrick.

Jack: I mean, he makes God scared. I'm sure just by, you know, process of elimination, everybody else should be scared.

Cristina: Yes. And everyone was scared. That's why I found the story, a different story of that he. Of him getting rid of snakes. But it wasn't just snakes that he got rid of. It was snakes and demons.

Jack: Snakes and demons?

Cristina: Yes. And there was this specific demon that didn't want to run away. When he told all the snakes and demons to leave and then they ran, what happened was he told them to leave, I guess. And so they drowned into the ocean. They listened and drowned and died.

Jack: Sweet, but what the f***?

Cristina: Yes. That's how he got rid of them. By murdering them with his words.

Jack: Sounds legit.

Cristina: Yes. And there's this specific one that can't pronounce her name, but in English, we could call her the fire Spitter.

Jack: The fire spitter?

Cristina: Yes. And she's either the devil's mom or all demons. Mom. Mom. Yes. There's two different ideas of what she was besides the fire spitter. That's what I found. It's unsure, right?

Jack: Kind of like vampire hunter D or something.

Cristina: Yes. So she might be the devil's mom. But anyway, when he was getting rid of all the snakes and demons from the island, she decided to hide.

Jack: So she survived for a little while. And she let all her children die.

Cristina: Definitely because she's too busy trying to stay alive.

Jack: It's like, f*** this. Every. Every man for themselves.

Cristina: Yes. So, like, he went on top of a mountain, and he told them to go into the sea and drown, and they did. And then she somehow. I don't know how she managed to escape, but maybe she, like, closed her ears when she saw him on the mountain. Like something bad is about to happen.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And it did. But he saw her before she could completely hide herself, and he chased her down with the fastest horse Ireland had at the time.

Jack: Faster than de Demons.

Cristina: Yeah, actually faster than demons because he did outrun her while she was running. She was too busy, though, throwing Spitfire into every water. Well, because she thought, oh, this is gonna take forever, and eventually he'll get thirsty and drink water. But he was smart and was like, I'm not going to drink this poisoned water. So he didn't drink the poisoned water, and he just kept going. And then he passed her, of course.

Jack: You mean caught up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It wasn't raised. He wasn't like, well, I passed you. You're behind me.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. And then he waited for her. And then when she came, I mean, and then when he saw her, he jumped. He jumped out of his hiding spot and banished her. And then she also drowned into the ocean.

Jack: Sweet. Okay, so everybody died.

Cristina: Yeah, everyone died, but she was the last to die.

Jack: So he's just killer of demons, forcing creatures to commit suicide left and right and sell God. So he controls gods, angels, demons, everything. He's just some sort of overpowered deity that we don't even label a deity. But he's like. He's beyond the demigod.

Cristina: He's. He is the God.

Jack: Like, we have to assume Jehovah is a demigod based on the traits we understand. Jehovah, he's. He has emotions. Yeah, an omniscient God can't have emotions. That. That wouldn't make sense. Right, And God can get jealous, angry, all these things. God needs you to worship. Him. Because he's not. He tells you specifically, worship me. No. Other gods is like, okay, so there's others like you. You're not omniscient. You're not every God all at the same time. You're one of them. Yes, but it seems like the real omniscient God is Saint Patrick. What he had a horse, is faster than demons. He could just will that to happen.

Cristina: Well, they gave it to him.

Jack: Who?

Cristina: I don't. The Ireland people. Yeah.

Jack: It was just a normal. That means it was just a normal horse. They gave him a normal horse.

Cristina: Was the fastest horse.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like here.

Jack: But to them, fast is different than to him. And he got a horse and it was probably, you know, normal fast.

Cristina: It was like a winner of normal horse races.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. But then he got on the horse.

Cristina: He powered that horse, became the fastest horse.

Jack: Knight Rider type of s***. He got on the horse, the horse flamed. It burst into flames, and it was just leaving a trail of fire.

Cristina: It died that day.

Jack: As soon as he got off it, it just became normal. And it was on fire. Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah, it died.

Jack: But he doesn't care. He kills everything.

Cristina: He kills everything. Well, if you.

Jack: That's why God is like, I'll do whatever you want. Just don't kill me.

Cristina: Because God is just an angel, a demon deity.

Jack: He's a demigod.

Cristina: Okay. So complicated. But what's even more complicated is I tried to find out what a fairy was, right. Because of St. Patrick's Day in Ireland. And they're known for fairies, right?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And I'm so confused. I'm so confused. Fairies are so many things, but what they originally were, they were seen as deities. Gods. They were gods.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: But then over time, because Christianity came to the island, they were demoted to stay around so that they wouldn't have to actually get rid of them. Because I guess the Christians actually like these stories, and they're like, wow, they're pretty interesting. But what if they were just creatures, magical creatures instead of gods? Because there can only be one God. So I don't know. Is God stronger than their God if he could turn them into magical creatures?

Jack: It was St. Patrick that did it.

Cristina: It was St. Patrick. Oh, yes. Okay.

Jack: The pioneer. The guy who brought Christianity to Ireland. St Patrick then decided, yeah, I'm a strip you guys of your exaggerated godlike powers. I don't want you to be gods anymore. Now. Now you're just f******. You're gonna be there like the humans. You can be just a different f****** creature.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then he did that, well, these.

Cristina: Guys were, I guess weren't that powerful anyway because they were the original people living on Ireland.

Jack: So you're telling me Ireland is Olympus?

Cristina: Is Olympus. Once upon a time, maybe like they were able to travel from the other world into Ireland and they loved it so much that they lived there. But then other people wanted Ireland for themselves. They've had many wars trying to defend their home, but they finally lost to St. Patrick. To the Irish people or to the ancestors of the Irish people, one led by St Patrick. Yes, he's a time travel as well. Time traveler as well.

Jack: Are we just to say that St. Patrick's is the real Kratos?

Cristina: Yes, the Kratos, Yes.

Jack: Yeah, he was just the mortal once upon a time. But eventually he killed a God, got all God's powers and used that to manipulate the rest of everything. St. Patrick, the real God of war.

Cristina: Well, from what I understand, these gods that were defeated by the Irish people shrunk themselves. They loved Ireland so much that they decided we'll just be small and live underground.

Jack: And thus the invention of midgets.

Cristina: Close, I guess. Leprechauns. Leprechauns and so many other creatures. Okay. There are so many different types of fairy races. You probably didn't think of them as fairies though. Which are dwarves, elves, gnomes, goblins, brownies and pixies.

Jack: The h*** is a brownie? Is that a racist term?

Cristina: No, it's just another short magical, human like creature thing. Yeah, they're all short magical, human like creature things.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Yes. And what I feel like when somebody.

Jack: Says leprechaun, they mean all of these things. Leprechaun is the blanket term? Almost.

Cristina: No. Leprechaun is a type of fairy.

Jack: I get that.

Cristina: Fairy is the blanket term thing.

Jack: Fairies, the blanket term.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Do Westerners say leprechaun and mean fairies and all the other stuff to Western like they mean fairy and fairies, the blanket term to them. When we say fairy, we think Na' Vi from Ocarina of Time.

Cristina: There's no fairy that's like that fairy. We made that up.

Jack: My point is exact.

Cristina: Okay, that's not a thing.

Jack: Westerners say leprechaun and mean all the different kinds of fairies.

Cristina: I don't know. I think we just see leprechauns as leprechauns.

Jack: Right. But if you showed us a different one of those fairies, what would we call it? We would probably call it a leprechaun.

Cristina: Even an elf. If we saw elf or gnome. We know what gnomes are.

Jack: Oh, S***. Okay, there we go. Now we're getting to places.

Cristina: Dwarfs. You know what a dwarf is?

Jack: A dwarf is just a person.

Cristina: No, they're magical little people. They're magical.

Jack: Whoa. So you're telling me Peter Dinklage is a magical fairy?

Cristina: No.

Jack: And that's why he has all these jobs.

Cristina: He's sprinkling has become two different things. Okay.

Jack: He's sprinkling his fairy dust all over people. You're telling me he's unfairly in justly getting these jobs when Wee man should be getting some of them?

Cristina: Look, fairies are complicated. They're very complicated. He may be a fairy because fairies could be every and many things. There's so many words for fairies. You could say fairy, but you can also call them sprites, you can call them spirits, you can call them supernatural entities. You can even call them angels and demons.

Jack: Right? Okay. We've established this in the Shadow Realm episode. For further information, go back there. Listen to that. Get informed.

Cristina: It is so annoying. It's so annoying.

Jack: It is. When I was figuring that out.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I came across a lot of these problems in which limbo is purgatory, and that is the Shadow Realm, and that is an alternate version of this reality. And that what's there is here and here is there. And it's the same, but different. It has a different name, but it's the same. It's like. Yeah, it's complicated.

Cristina: There was one thing about the other, the other realm that I don't know if you talked about that I think. If you haven't, I just want to mention, though, is that time works different there.

Jack: Probably. The concept of time in itself might be entirely different.

Cristina: Yeah, but, like, for the rare people that have been able to go there and come back, hundreds of years would pass by.

Jack: It depends.

Cristina: It depends.

Jack: It depends. Let's say you get there through some form of astral projection, and you're there as a spirit. Right. Your spirit might be over there hundreds of years, and over here, hundreds of years don't pass. You might come back after being hundreds of years over there and it was only one night's sleep over here.

Cristina: Oh, I read the opposite of.

Jack: Well, that's my point. It depends on the approach that's happening.

Cristina: Oh, okay. All right. So it's. That's as complicated as the word fairy. Okay.

Jack: It's very, very f*****.

Cristina: Yes. But. Okay, so there's the leprechaun, the most famous fairy. Right. Maybe.

Jack: I'd say that other than Navi, she's not a fairy. What the h*** is she. They call her a fairy.

Cristina: That's an American made up creature. So is Tinkerbell. Tinkerbell is not a fairy.

Jack: Well, she's not a fairy by their terms. But then you have to tell me that a Japanese dragon like Shenron and then a Western dragon, that's like a giant lizard, like an iguana, a ginormous iguana with wings that breathes fire, are not both dragons.

Cristina: Okay, well, we're. Right now we're just talking about Irish creatures. Okay. They're not Irish fairies.

Jack: Got you. They're not Irish fairies.

Cristina: Correct. Because this is an Irish episode to celebrate our favorite saint.

Jack: Got you.

Cristina: So. Yeah. So what was it? Navi.

Jack: Navi.

Cristina: Navi. I guess that's a Japanese fairy.

Jack: Yes, but she's not an Irish. And she's specifically a Shinto Japanese fairy.

Cristina: Okay. And then I guess the Americans made. Not the Americans. The English made Tinkerbell.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay. But yes, none of these fairies have wings. I guess is one interesting different thing from all the ones that you could think. The ones you mentioned.

Jack: Yeah, you can actually see that in a lot of cultures where there is a shift in there. If we go back to the dragons, the Japanese dragons don't have wings. They're just like floating snake things.

Cristina: I thought it was the Chinese dragon.

Jack: Oh, it's a Chinese dragon. Well, I guess both of them, right? Yeah, they're pretty similar.

Cristina: Okay. The Asian dragons and then.

Jack: Yeah, Asian dragons. There you go. The Asian dragons don't have wings and then the western dragons do. Yeah, the Asian dragons are kind of like a snake, but the western dragons are like a lizard.

Cristina: But they're both huge, I think. Right?

Jack: Yeah, they're both ginormous. Although I believe the Japanese dragon is much bigger. Do they have. Are there any fairy, like any dragon, like fairies without wings and like floating snake thing or. They're all little people.

Cristina: They're all little people. I will talk about. I do want to talk about some other creatures in Ireland that I don't know if they're under the fairy description.

Jack: Interesting. So then tell me which one are the fairies? What? Break them down and explain these to me.

Cristina: Okay, there's. I'm gonna mention like. Okay, there's the leprechaun, of course.

Jack: What's the get up there?

Cristina: He's the lucky fairy, I guess. He's the one with the gold in the end of the rainbow. And you can get it if you catch him. He'll grant you three wishes, but you have to do it quickly because he'll try to trick You. And that would suck.

Jack: Trick you how?

Cristina: Well. Oh, One of the things about these fairies is they're all tricksters. They're all tricksters. I don't know if there's any fairies that aren't tricksters, but they all seem like tricksters. And they're not seen as evil. Trick tricksters evil either. Yes, but some of them do sound evil. Some of them are evil tricksters. Some of them are just regular trolley guys. But the leprechaun seems like the good kind, I guess, of the tricksters. Anyway, there's a story about a guy who caught a leprechaun and he wished to be taken to the gold. And the. And the leprechaun did show him where the tree was, where the gold was hidden. So the man put a marking on the tree and he let go of the leprechaun to find a shovel. But then when he came back, all the trees were marked the same way he marked the tree that he had.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yep. Yep.

Jack: So there was no way for him to tell which one it was?

Cristina: Nope. He really messed up on that.

Jack: Yeah, so.

Cristina: So if you get a leprechaun, he shows you the gold, you gotta somehow.

Jack: Get it at that moment.

Cristina: At that moment, yes.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: I wonder if you can waste the wish, though, to have the leprechaun help you get the gold and also to leave you alone.

Jack: I'm sure there's wish rules, otherwise systems would be broken. You could also wish for many wishes if you could do that, you know.

Cristina: Yeah, but could you trust a leprechaun to tell you the rules of the wishes if there are tricksters?

Jack: Well, on the first one, you wish to be told the rules. If you have three wishes. On the second one, if it's not against the rules, then you wish for more wishes. And if it is against the rules, then you didn't waste a wish and instead you asked the leprechaun to help you. Unless that's also against rules.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In which case you still got two wishes, but I don't know, like, one.

Cristina: Of the other still has to be to show you where the gold is.

Jack: Yes. Okay, fine. So now you know where the gold is. The other one has to be, don't kill me while I take this gold.

Cristina: Don't kill. Well, he might not kill you. He just won't want you to steal his gold. So he's gonna do some other weird thing that probably hurts you, but doesn't murder you. Yeah, he's not evil.

Jack: Don't disrupt me at all.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: While stealing Your gold.

Cristina: Alright. Even though they're not seen as evil, there are some stories where they sound a bit evil. So there's this story about a king who fell asleep on a beach and when he woke up, he found himself being dragged into the sea by three leprechauns.

Jack: To drown.

Cristina: I'm pretty sure to drown him. Maybe he's related to St. Patrick and they're like, we gotta get revenge.

Jack: It could be. Who the h*** knows? Maybe it was St. Patrick, but he.

Cristina: Was able to catch one of them and. And they granted him three wishes in exchange for them to release him.

Jack: And then what was one of the wishes?

Cristina: I don't know. To be released.

Jack: That's it. Guy just got. We got the story of a guy who caught a leprechaun and we don't know what he wished for.

Cristina: He died. It was a lie. They're just trying to cover up that they're evil because there's some. There's stories that differ between whether a leprechaun is harmless or really, really evil. So I guess it depends. I don't know. Some are evil, some aren't. That's what I'm going with.

Jack: There is a literal movie about evil leprechauns, I believe, called Leprechaun.

Cristina: Yeah, it's some weird horror movie series thing.

Jack: Serious. Oh, it's. There's many of them.

Cristina: There's many movies. So many. Like it's like a Freddy versus, you know, a Freddy movie or a Jason movie. It's just like he keeps coming back.

Jack: Oh, is it the same leprechaun?

Cristina: I'm not sure. I think so. It looks the same. Crappy looking version. I've never seen a nice looking leprechaun. Yeah, version, but okay, like Chucky. Who does he ever change his look? It's always the same dude being in a doll, right?

Jack: I think so.

Cristina: That dude is just unlucky. He should just die. His life sucks. I don't know what he's doing. Although everything he's doing in the rest of the movies make no sense because the. In the original movie he was. If he can't get into a child's body in I think a certain amount of time, then he's stuck in the doll's body. So that's it. He's stuck in that body like the rest of the movies don't make any sense of him trying to get into another person's body because he wasted the time. It's over for him.

Jack: Yeah, that's weird.

Cristina: But he still tries. But. And of Course, never does. But even if he managed, it doesn't make sense to the first movie unless they change that in the reboot. But anyway, there are other types of things that are very similar to leprechauns, and one of them is, I guess, he's a lot like a leprechaun. But he loves to drink and he's famous to haunt wine cellars and drink all the wine in there.

Jack: So he's an alcoholic?

Cristina: Basically, yes, he's the alcoholic leprechaun. And he's also described as a trickster and a practical jokester because I guess most leprechauns are. Then there's another leprechaun type fairy which likes to seduce women.

Jack: As a short individual.

Cristina: Yes, he's really good at seducing ladies. He goes to lonely places where I guess they're just like, why? I just want to fall in love. And then he comes and then they're like, whoa, make love to me. I don't know how his magic works. He comes on them and he comes on them. But it's very unlucky to meet him. Very. Because his skin is addictive and put in to it's toxic and addictive and seducing the person, they really. They really just become addicted to him. Like they need him.

Jack: Right, so it's his power.

Cristina: Well, it's his skin's power. I mean, yeah, it's his power, like superpower type thing. And the women end up dying from withdrawal after he leaves.

Jack: So they all die.

Cristina: Yep, yep, they die. But then there's the Farduring, which is the evil leprechaun, because none of those are evil. They're not evil. Except for that one that sounds a little.

Jack: How is this one any more or less evil?

Cristina: Well, this guy. Oh, his name translates to Red man. This guy Redman, he wears a red cape and hat and he does some really gross practical jokes. Like he likes to put people into sacks and kidnap people. And then there was a story where he makes them make him dinner and then when they look at the dinner, it's a witch. I don't know. I don't know how that's evil or whatever. That's just weird.

Jack: Very strange. Yes, yes.

Cristina: This is a very strange thing. But usually he just traps people in rooms.

Jack: That doesn't sound like malicious or evil. It just sounds like a douchebag.

Cristina: And. Yeah, it does. It does. He does terrifying noises. One of them is described as laughing like a dead man, which I'm not really sure what that sounds like, but that sounds like, it would be terrifying if you knew that that's what you're specifically listening to. Maybe it's a person you knew that died and you hear that laughing.

Jack: That would make sense.

Cristina: That's kind of horrifying.

Jack: Yeah, Like a very distinct laugh that you shouldn't be hearing.

Cristina: Mm. And he's also the people. The person stealing the human babies and replacing them with changelings. Remember the changelings we talked about last year?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yep. He's the one. He's. He's the one doing it.

Jack: Why does he kidnap the children again?

Cristina: To replace them with. I don't know. To replace. As a joke, I guess. To replace them with fairy children. Right.

Jack: And then what does he do with the kid?

Cristina: Don't remember we talked about this last year, and I don't remember. You don't remember?

Jack: No.

Cristina: I'm not sure. Maybe the kids are slaves while they're baby. Like, they don't.

Jack: Underwear gnome logic.

Cristina: Yes, But I guess the purpose, though, of stealing the human babies so that these other babies could be raised and they don't have to actually raise the babies. Fairies are lazy, and they don't want to raise their babies. So they're like, let's get these humans.

Jack: To raise our babies minus a human baby they now have to raise.

Cristina: I'm sure they're not raising those babies. They throw them in the trash.

Jack: And thus the question of where trash babies come from is answered.

Cristina: Yes. That's where trash babies come from. They're also. They also bring nightmares. And they just. They just like to terror. Terrorize people. They just love terrorizing.

Jack: I mean, minus the kidnapping part. Everything else is pretty. Pretty chill.

Cristina: Even the swapping babies thing is chill.

Jack: That's the part I'm talking about.

Cristina: Oh, I thought you meant the other kidnapping of, like, when he made the guy cook and then it somehow became a witch, or trapping the person in a room, and then the scary voices.

Jack: None of that is kidnapping.

Cristina: None of that is kidnapping. But that all sounds pretty bad. No. Okay.

Jack: Sounds scary, not evil.

Cristina: Okay. Well, there's one way to avoid his tricks. You have to say, you will not mock me before he traps you.

Jack: So you could just walk around saying, you will not mock me.

Cristina: Yes, but they. But it's really hard because they set up very good traps. So you have to say before you're trapped, but you might end up being trapped before you say it, so you gotta say it. I guess you have to walk around saying it, just hoping not to get trapped.

Jack: Yeah. Or is it just, like, how. What's the Deadline on this. Can you just say it now and then you're just good forever?

Cristina: Maybe. I don't know. Probably not. You probably have to walk around saying that they're also called rat boys because they're fat.

Jack: The evil ones?

Cristina: Yes, the evil ones. They're fat. They have dark hairy skin. They have a long snout and a skinny tail.

Jack: So they don't look like dwarfs. No, they don't look human.

Cristina: They don't. They look like a giant rat. I guess they look like a. They look like a giant rat. But they're still described as being a type of leprechaun. But an evil leprechaun.

Jack: An evil rat. Leprechaun.

Cristina: Evil rat. Leprechaun. Yes. That cause nightmares and bad luck.

Jack: I feel like this is totally backwards because instead of it being a little person, it's just a giant rat.

Cristina: It's just a giant rat. Oh, it is a giant rat. Yeah. Maybe it's not a leprechaun. Maybe it's just a giant magical rat.

Jack: Sounds like it.

Cristina: Yeah. So then it's just a fairy. Not really a leprechaun. A leprechaun. So who knows. And then there's some other Ireland creatures. There's these things called the Merrow men. And the merrow. The Merrow men are ugly sea creatures. And the females are called marrows. Are beautiful because they're always beautiful, aren't they? All the women are beautiful in these type of stories.

Jack: Yeah. That's how the succubus is so attractive. And the incubus is, I don't know. A monster.

Cristina: Yes. Oh yeah, we talked about that too. Yeah, that's. And the Merrell. The Merrells are not. They're not mermaids. They have human legs instead of a tail. Except that they're. They have large flat feet and webbed fingers to help them swim.

Jack: So they are basically the swamp creature.

Cristina: Yes, they're the swamp creature. And the Merrell's ability to. To swim in water or to travel in water is from her clothes. She has a cape or a cap, depending on the story. And when she takes it off, she loses the ability. And usually a man will find it and hide it so that he could marry her because she's beautiful. And also she has lots of gold from the sea, I guess.

Jack: Okay. Sweet. Fantastic. So like a half fish woman. That's gorgeous.

Cristina: Yes. And rich.

Jack: And rich.

Cristina: Yes. And then. But if she finds her missing cape or cap, she'll end up running away and returning to the sea, leaving her husband and their children and many Families claim to be descendants from these Merrells who were entrapped by fishermen.

Jack: Really? Like, somewhere up the line, their grandma was a fish lady who jumped in the water. And we're sure that it wasn't just a crazy lady who committed suicide?

Cristina: Yeah. It could just be a lady who just abandoned her family. Maybe committed suicide, maybe not. Maybe she just abandoned her family and they were like, no way would she abandon us. She must have been a marrow.

Jack: Chances are the father made that lie up for the children.

Cristina: Yes. And then there's this thing called a banshee, which is a female spirit. I'm not sure. Spirit, fairy, sprite? I don't know.

Jack: I've heard of banshees. They're known for screaming.

Cristina: They're known for screaming? Yes. Well, crying. They're considered a omen of death. Whenever you hear her, you could assume someone's about to die.

Jack: That makes sense. They. They're known. You like, you hear them in the woods and s***. A lot of the time you hear the screams of a banshee. There's a couple of songs about that too.

Cristina: Really? Well, there's some stories where they just find her by their window. She's just next to their window crying.

Jack: That's f****** horrifying.

Cristina: Yes, well, her appearance isn't that. Well, sometimes. It depends, because she has three different appearances. She can look like a young lady, she can look like a regular woman, and she can look like a withering hag. So her age varies.

Jack: F****** banshee.

Cristina: And she can also appear as a crow, weasel or another creature called a stout. That, I think is also a type of weasel.

Jack: I didn't know that. So she could, like, shapeshift.

Cristina: Yeah. And I have three stories of this banshee lady. There was a couple who stayed at a friend's castle, a friend's castle. And on the first night around 1am, the wife heard a cry by the window. And when she looked, she saw some lady there, a lady leaning on the window, crying. And she woke up her husband scared and stuff. And then in the next day, they told. I don't know if they told their friend the story, but anyway, the next day their friend told them that she was all night up because she was with her dying cousin and her very sick cousin. And at the same time, he died. Okay. She told them that even though it's the best room of the house, there's a ghost of a lady that haunts the house. The ghost is of the former owner of the house who killed his wife. His pregnant wife. And that's the banshee that hangs out in the window?

Jack: His former wife? Yeah, but she died inside the house. Why is she hanging outside as a ghost?

Cristina: Why is she hanging outside as a ghost? Because that's what banshees do. I don't know. There's no stories of a banshee hanging out inside a house.

Jack: So she got killed and was like, I'm gonna go outside now.

Cristina: What if she got killed outside?

Jack: I thought she got killed in the house.

Cristina: No, he got. He died in the house. Her cousin died in the house.

Jack: Didn't he kill her?

Cristina: No, The. The owners of the house. The original. The former owners of the house. The husband killed the wife.

Jack: And that's the banshee.

Cristina: And that's the banshee? Yes.

Jack: The wife that died.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Why didn't she haunt the house from inside the house where she died?

Cristina: We don't know that she died inside the house.

Jack: Didn't he kill her in the house?

Cristina: He killed her and they lived in that house.

Jack: Got it.

Cristina: But that doesn't.

Jack: Got it, got it, got it.

Cristina: I understand.

Jack: I understand.

Cristina: Like, yes, maybe he did kill her in the house, but I don't. We don't know that. We don't know where he killed her. It could be anywhere. So. But that's one story. Then there's stories where people from Ireland, they move far away and a banshee still follows them. It finds their way to them.

Jack: That's interesting. Reminds me of that show that's totally full of s*** of the people who moved into the house. Or do you know the people who tell them they're f****** the time I saw a ghost or whatever the f***. And then they got reenactors and s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The ghost story in the room.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, okay.

Jack: That s*** that. This reminds me of that, like, he would. They were like, if we move, we'll be fine. Then they did, and then he stopped seeing her for a while, and then she popped up again.

Cristina: Well, she was hispan. She.

Jack: Except she wasn't screaming. She was just hanging in a closet. Except she was originally from the closet that she was hung in.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then she was just like, now, Imma go hang in your new closet.

Cristina: Yes. And then I think he also saw.

Jack: Her outside, which makes no f****** sense because presumably she was haunting the place, Meaning now she haunts you. And anybody who lives in that house is fine.

Cristina: Now, I don't. I don't know how ghosts work. What if they can haunt more than one thing at a time?

Jack: That's crazy. Anybody who goes through that house is haunted by the saint. So if everybody in the world stayed at that house and then moved, they would all be haunted by the same ghost at the same time.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that's what's happening with this banshee. Basically.

Cristina: Except none of his family was haunted and they all lived there. Maybe have to be in that specific room.

Jack: Could be.

Cristina: How are we gonna get all these people into that room?

Jack: That's crazy.

Cristina: That's crazy. But yes, like the banshee and these, these two stories, they moved to. They moved to Canada and Yeah. They heard the cry. And then the next day in one of the stories, the man of the house and his oldest son died in a boating accident. The next day after they heard the strange cry, they also asked people about the strange cry and no one saw anyone by the house, but they all heard the cry.

Jack: That's fascinating. I wonder if that has happened recently, like with banshees, you know? So banshees is an Irish creature.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Interesting, interesting. Because that's prominent in Western culture. That's prominent as h*** over here because.

Cristina: Irish people came over here and brought their banshees.

Jack: Interesting, interesting. Can you imagine? Like, let's say banshees are for facts. Real, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, I'll probably hunt one down. We'll make that a mission. We'll add them to the collection of f******. What do we have so far? F****** werewolves and reptilian vampires. And vampires. We got a bunch of s***. Imprisoned.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: On Mars.

Cristina: We want to find if banshees can haunt people that aren't related to Irish.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: So that.

Jack: That'll be interesting to see a banshee for now.

Cristina: Alright. Because some first. For now it's only been people from Ireland or. Yeah. That have some blood in Ireland that they hunt.

Jack: That's so weird. I'm curious. A banshee is a really weird creature. It really is. Because it's like a person, but also not.

Cristina: It's not a person.

Jack: Yeah. Because like you're saying in Irish culture a banshee is a leprechaun.

Cristina: Not a leprechaun.

Jack: A fairy.

Cristina: A fairy? Yes.

Jack: Okay. It's a fairy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: In Irish culture the banshee is a fairy.

Cristina: Yes. The best description is a spirit. But to me it seems like spirit could equal fairy. Could equal whatever.

Jack: Yeah. Because they're used almost interchangeably.

Cristina: Yeah. So that's why I'm not sure what she is.

Jack: So when we get to her, it's kind of vague. Because a woman died and became a banshee.

Cristina: Yes. In this story. Yeah. Or the banshee haunts where the woman died. And it's not the woman.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Interest. Holy crap. That's kind of fascinating. Wow. So it could either be that people turn into banshees or.

Cristina: I never thought that people could turn into banshees in. With these things. It seems like these creatures in Ireland are separate things. They're not human. Yeah. They're their own species.

Jack: Enter the shadow realm, a place where there is a part of people that naturally exists. And upon crossing the threshold, that was still the person, but it's also not. So is the banshee a tortured soul from the shadow realm that crossed over. So maybe it was that woman's spirit. Yeah, but the shadow realm version, maybe. Intense emotion, fear, and all these things that are required for a creature from the shadow realm to manifest were all present at the death of this person and maybe lingers in there as people know about the story and create the fear that allows the banshee to continue manifesting on this side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It is her tortured soul from the other side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Although she died somehow, her soul didn't die. Maybe adrenochrome isn't the only way.

Cristina: Yes, maybe adrenochrome is, but then that would mean like all the emotions and feelings and stuff are somehow part of it.

Jack: Yeah. Because we know that people extract adrenochrome or whatever they're getting that keeps them alive from the fear itself.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Where they don't need the adrenal chrome. So if you get enough of that all in one shot. Is that what a haunting soul is? Like a spirit that's left behind? Right. And you're haunting a place. That's your version. That's your spirit that's from the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That came through. But why? It's usually because you were killed brutally or some. Some horrible thing happened, except your soul couldn't fade away. The crazy amount of emotion, fear, sadness, all those things existed at the moment of your death and tethered your soul to that.

Cristina: But it's still. The Banshee is very different from regular ghosts because it's. It's only here to warn you. Like someone's about to die, which regular ghosts don't really do anything.

Jack: Or Spirit. Yeah, because ghost is an spirit.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Regular spirit or shadow person.

Cristina: Yeah. As far as we can tell, they're not any type of warning sign. They're not going to tell you anything. Thing about the future.

Jack: Yeah. They're not there intentionally. They're just echoing through. Or if they.

Cristina: The banshee is more like the groundhog?

Jack: Yeah, it's more like the groundhog. It's there for information of some sort. But my question is, is it choosing to, or is it a reflex? Is the Banshee incapable, capable of telling.

Cristina: People that it's someone they know is about to die?

Jack: Yes. Do you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, do they have to do it even if they didn't want to? They're just somewhere where death is. And they scream at death.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But then again, if we think of the Shadow Realm. Again, not to stay on the Shadow Realm topic. The reapers also call the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Other realm, because that's what this is in this place now, I guess.

Jack: So the other Realm, the reaper comes from the other realm. And the Reaper handles life. It is a delivery mechanism in the form of a physical being.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And maybe the Banshee is terrified of the Reaper. Of the Reaper. Because it's always maybe coming for the Banshee.

Cristina: She's warning about the Reaper then.

Jack: I don't think she's warning anybody.

Cristina: She's just horrified. Of the Reaper?

Jack: Yes, because that's a lingering tethered soul to the wrong side. And the Reaper delivers souls.

Cristina: I don't know. But I think this third story might change our mind a little bit about that. Because in the third situation of a Banshee haunting a man because his daughter was gonna die, but he didn't know that she was healthy, strong, and beautiful. And then one night, he heard a voice coming from his window, and it said. Which is weird. Like, they usually just cry. And it was crying too, but it also said, in three weeks, death. In three weeks, the grave. Dead, dead, dead. That's what he heard. And then the next day, his daughter got sick or was showing symptoms of a fever. And then three weeks later, dead.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. So it was a warning.

Cristina: It was a real warning of, like, I know what's gonna happen.

Jack: It's not that they're seeing death actively in the area, even if other people can't, because they themselves are ethereal and seeing other ethereal beings.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's that they're seeing the future.

Cristina: Yes. Like, maybe it does see death coming, but it knows, like, specific.

Jack: Oh, my God. We're missing one thing that you mentioned earlier.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And then I specified earlier, time works differently on the other side. So maybe from this side they're saying, death is coming, but it takes crazy long here. But from that side's point of view, it's immediate. He's approaching quick. But it could be weeks.

Cristina: Yeah. Even though this one is specific. Or maybe he remembers it as it being super specific.

Jack: Maybe they were super specific. Maybe the person the banshee telling the information knew specifically the. The conversion rate of time.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And was like. Well, it takes them about three hours on this side, so we'll say like three weeks.

Cristina: Yeah. So like banshees may know the time difference equivalent of what's going on. Okay.

Jack: Just a possibility.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. And then there's the Fear Gorda. And Fear Gordas look like zombies. Actually. I think they are zombies, but we're just gonna. Well, they're like zombies from like old fashioned zombie movies. Like they're. They got bones popping out of their body. They're like super thin, they have bluish skin and their flesh is rotting.

Jack: Yeah. So it sounds like a zombie from an old school interpretation of a zombie, but like a freaking God decided to look like this s***. It was like f****** reason for it though.

Cristina: During famines it comes around and it asks for food. It asks people for food who are already dying in a famine. But if you give him the food, he'll reward you with. But if you give him food, he'll reward you with a lifelong wealth and prosperity. And those who don't give him food will have bad luck and poverty.

Jack: Sounds pretty badass. So he's testing the morality of people.

Cristina: Yes. In the worst situation, in the life and death situation, because it's a famine.

Jack: So you're starving. I'm starving. Do you care about others? Can you.

Cristina: That's a true test. That sounds very godly.

Jack: Yeah, that's very noble.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He's testing a real person. Like, do you remain a good person in the worst of circumstances?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then you deserve good things.

Cristina: Yes. That's pretty interesting. Yeah. And then there are stories. There's two. There's like. Okay, I'll say. There's like three stories of these creatures that are very vampire. Like the author of Dracula might have based it on these creatures because he's Irish.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: But he also liked folklore, so. And he did travel, so he of course also based on other famous vampires and stories.

Jack: Transylvanian legends and whatnot.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. So the first one is called the Avatar, the evil Irish magical dwarf king who was like. He was just pretty evil. And he killed. He was killed and buried standing up. And then the next day he came back from the grave and used his magical powers to be even more crueler than he was before. And he loves to drink the blood of his victims, of course. And there's only one way to stop him. You must kill him. And Bury him upside down. Very vampirey.

Jack: Very vampirey. Including all the weird ways to get rid of them and crap.

Cristina: Yes. The second vampire is a lady, and she is called the Red Bloodsucker. She's known as the Red Bloodsucker. She seduces men and then drains their blood. One of the stories about how she became a vampire was that she was in love with some poor peasant dude, and her father didn't like that, so he made her marry some rich dude who treated her terrible. And then eventually she committed suicide. But then she came back to get revenge on her father and her husband, and she sucked their blood until they were dead. And then now she does that once.

Jack: A year to random people.

Cristina: To random people.

Jack: She's Jeeper Scrapers.

Cristina: Well, to men, specifically. She wants men.

Jack: Oh, so she's a succubus.

Cristina: She's a Succubus. Well, yeah, but she's a vampire. And there is only one way to, quote, unquote, defeat her, because it's not really to defeat her. Like, what, did you compare her to a succubus? No, before that. Jeepers Creepers.

Jack: Jeepers Creepers.

Cristina: To stop her is like, Jeepers Creepers. You don't really defeat her. You put rocks on her grave and then she can't get up.

Jack: Yeah. You just enable her.

Cristina: Yeah. For only a year, and then she'll try to get out, and then you got to put some more rocks.

Jack: She sounds very Jeepers Creepers.

Cristina: Yeah. So maybe Jeepers Creepers was inspired by some Dracula stories or.

Jack: No, it was actually inspired by a song.

Cristina: By a song. Oh, yeah.

Jack: But that song could have used not only the song, but it could have been like a mesh of this story, a song, and a bunch of other crap to make. Because Jeepers Creeper is a scary m***********.

Cristina: Yeah. But that whole coming back every 23 years, or whatever it was isn't from the song, though.

Jack: No.

Cristina: No. So like, maybe that was inspired by this type of story. Yeah. And then the third vampire, like, person or demon? This one's more. This is a fairy vampire, and her name is Lennon Sid. I think that's how her name is said. And she's a demon that likes to inspire poets and musicians. But once they. Once they make the thing that they're gonna make, I guess she drinks their blood, she shares with them her intelligence, creativity, and magic. But when she leaves, the men go into a deep depression and they die. Then she will take her dead lovers back to her lair. And then, rather sucking their blood, she puts their blood into a Giant red cauldron, which is the source of her beauty and artistic inspiration.

Jack: Fantastic.

Cristina: Yep. So to prevent her from rising, you have to also put stones on her resting place.

Jack: Interesting, Interesting. So definitely a vampire, too.

Cristina: Yeah, she's a fairy vampire, which I guess the dwarf guy is a fairy vampire because dwarves are fairies. But then the second lady, she's just a vampire. She was human, and then she became a vampire.

Jack: So we're back to the same problem of the difference between a spirit and a fairy.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. That's why it's all so complicated. And I'm not really sure what is. What if they're all the same or if they're not the same or whatever. Where's the lines?

Jack: Yeah. Cause it seems like they do blur.

Cristina: Yes. And then the last creature, because there's so many creatures. But I'm just gonna stop at this one. It's called the Questing Beast. It is a cool creature. It's also an evil creature who has the head of a snake, the body of a leopard, the backside of a lion, and the hooves of a deer. And its cries. Its sound. The sound it makes sounds like the cry it makes sounds like the bark.

Jack: Of 30 dogs all at once simultaneously.

Cristina: Yes. And I think it's called the Questing Beast because many knights have tried to defeat this beast. I don't know if any has succeeded.

Jack: But so they go out of their way. It's an accomplishment. They're trying to do status thing. If I defeat it, I am a legend.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay, so it's a western dragon again. You go defeat the dragon for the status now. It will be the best knight ever. Everybody will know. And so the Questing Beast is the same idea.

Cristina: That's the same thing.

Jack: Very interesting. It sounds like a Pokemon.

Cristina: It sounds like they'll turn this into a Pokemon someday.

Jack: Yeah, fair enough. Then again, they don't make Pokemon out of animals anymore. It's sooner that you'll have, like, microphone. The Pokemon. There probably is a microphone Pokemon. I'm pretty sure that's a thing already.

Cristina: No, not yet.

Jack: I think that's. There's a microphone Pokemon.

Cristina: That's the next evolution. I mean, the next season or whatever.

Jack: There's a Pokemon. It's called, like, Mikey or something.

Cristina: No, it's not Mikey.

Jack: Yeah, man. There's totally a microphone Pokemon. Oh, my God. What is it? What the h*** is that thing? Is that a real Pokemon?

Cristina: I think that's fan. A fan art. Because there is a Pokemon that has different forms that looks like that, and that's what they're making fun of, I think.

Jack: Okay, fair enough.

Cristina: But we could double check. Look, his name is Rotom, the voice form. Okay, let's see what Rotom's different forms are, though. Okay, so he's Rotom.

Jack: Could be a frigerator, f****** lawnmower. Modem, a laundry. He could be a washing machine. He could be a grill. He could be a fridge, a freaking fan. And what the h*** is that other one?

Cristina: This one? This one. The original, I guess, is just, like, normal electricity. Yeah. And then he. Yeah, he turns into things that need electricity.

Jack: Bro, what the h*** is going on with Pokemon?

Cristina: Close enough. You're right. There's a microphone.

Jack: There totally isn't, but there should totally be a microphone.

Cristina: Look at him. He's a Pokedex.

Jack: Oh, my God.

Cristina: So there's fan art of, like, the many different things he could probably turn into. If you can be these things, there's probably a limited, unlimited possibility of what he could actually turn into.

Jack: Freaking Rotom.

Cristina: As long as they're electric. I mean, electronical, right? Yeah, like a computer.

Jack: That makes perfect sense. But it's like, why is this a freaking Pokemon? A blender. A toaster.

Cristina: I'm not sure what this one's supposed to be.

Jack: Where's the other one? Next to it.

Cristina: That one?

Jack: No, the one that's a toaster. What the h*** is that?

Cristina: No idea. Okay, so people are getting really creative of what this should look like. What?

Jack: Freaking Rotom, bro.

Cristina: Yes, I would like to see Quest Beast as a Pokemon.

Jack: That'd be cool. Questy. Questy Equestrian.

Cristina: Oh, that's a cool name.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it is a cool name.

Cristina: Well, that was awesome. And there's a lot of creatures in Ireland. Ridiculous. That place is popular.

Jack: Yes, but what has made me interested about everything you've talked about is really digging into a banshee. Yeah, like, at this point, we've become the new Sam and Dean. They're off air. They're. They're. They're living their lives. We still hunting? S***, they stopped. We're still going. We're still hunting.

Cristina: Yeah, they're the ones that taught us.

Jack: Yeah, except we have a freaking army of subhumans provided by the Chinese cloning program. Yeah, which is totally fine. Look, it's totally fine. Actually, it's not the cloning program. We're the clones. It's all the aborted babies.

Cristina: The aborted babies make the.

Jack: The subhumans.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Aborted babies equal an army of subhumans that are superior because they're genetically engineered and then turn into Superhumans that then we use to hunt these creat like the ones in Ireland. And now I am fascinated by a banshee.

Cristina: Except that these creatures have. Are really secretive and they can hide and stuff. And like, I don't know. Finding a banshee really hard.

Jack: I'll figure it out, okay? I will figure out finding a banshee.

Cristina: Well, that's gonna be fun.

Jack: It's gonna be astounding. I will find the banshee by any means necessary.

Cristina: All right?

Jack: I promise. That much.

Cristina: I can't wait.

Jack: Yes. It's gonna be exciting.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Anyways, if you guys enjoyed this conversation and many conversations of this nature already exist on this show, that you can go find those locations would be to find them on the official website, greathoughts.info Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and anywhere else you get your podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. UsConvopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe, rate, and review.

Cristina: The show and let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth. It's totally amazing. Scream at people as if you were a banshee and tell them, hey, you're gonna love that. And they're gonna be like, yeah, I will. And you're like, yeah, cool. Scream with me. And then they'll scream with you. You should do that to random people on the street. Because they love it.

Cristina: They love it.

Jack: They love it.

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal. And thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: Kekken Apheos. Go on. Hang in hand.

Cristina: And that's what KEK is all about.

Jack: Chaos. Yeah. Embracing chaos. It's a natural part of everything. But so is order. And having order and reason and logic. In no moment does Kek's chaos interfere with Pastafarianism. Logic. The goal is be reasonable. Same thing with Kek. You control, but you don't hurt people.

Cristina: Because it's just a joke.

Jack: It's just a joke. If you're crossing the line, you're f****** up.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You're doing it wrong.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's not about hurting other people. It's about that balance of you can have fun. Some people are gonna get annoyed.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But they should know that they're getting annoyed at a joke.

Cristina: It's so weird how anything could have a religion. Thinking of Shaggy. Shaggy. The church of Shaggy.

Jack: Yeah. What happens with Shaggy is the idea that destruction is equal to creation. So not only do we maintain balance, but we need to understand that sometimes things. A good example is, as writers, we often have to get rid of something and destroy something because it's just not working out. It's the weak link in what we're trying to do. And sometimes you're attached to the idea, but the story isn't attached to the idea.

Cristina: I usually just remove them. I don't delete them or anything.

Jack: Well, you can remove them, put them somewhere else, but you're destroying the concept you were working with to change it for something else.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that just goes hand in hand with. To maintain balance, you must destroy sometimes.

Cristina: That's an interesting way to see it. Yeah.

Jack: Shaggy is important.

Cristina: He is.

Jack: He's important in everything. You must destroy in order to create their hand in hand.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

February 20, 2021

Rambling 120: The Life Checklist

February 20, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

How do we know when something is alive? What of things that meet all the same requirements but we consider not alive? Understanding and designing a new checklist to measure life on this episode.

Story:
The duo unpacks what constitutes being alive in order to best explain to the listeners who or what to force to listen to the show. But on their journey to understand the concept of life they discover several interesting facts and create an entire checklist with different tiers of life to assist scientists in measuring the possibilities.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

Are all living things conscious?
Which things aren’t alive?
The problem of aging
Is fire alive?
Carbon based life
Is God Alive?
Is sperm alive?
Organic Matter
Cells
Alive vs Galvan

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So go find a person and an inanimate object and make them both listen.

Cristina: What?

Jack: You never know what's alive.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You never know. We don't know what is life. You force anything to listen, make your walls listen, blast it as loud as possible. You don't know if your house is alive. There's no way to tell.

Cristina: There's no way to tell.

Jack: Like weird a** rubric we have for f****** life.

Cristina: I guess if it has a heart. It doesn't have a heart.

Jack: It doesn't need a heart to be alive.

Cristina: What? What?

Jack: Yeah, let's think about it. Let's think about it. Right? Let's think about it. What do we call in life? If you're conscious, are you alive?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Is that life? So conscious beings are by default alive?

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: How do we gauge consciousness? In order to say anything's alive, then.

Cristina: You have to say it. You have to announce, I am conscious.

Jack: So animals aren't conscious then?

Cristina: Ooh, they're definitely conscious. They say it in their own ways.

Jack: How?

Cristina: With whatever sound that they make.

Jack: That's not saying I'm conscious. Are plants conscious?

Cristina: No.

Jack: So animals? Yes. But plants know?

Cristina: Well, I think. Yes, but if it's just by the sound that they're making that. No.

Jack: Yeah, it doesn't even make sense. Do they have to make a sound in order to be conscious? What about things that make sounds but aren't animals?

Cristina: Like what?

Jack: I don't know. Like a plant that makes a sound or some s***.

Cristina: It's a plant that makes a sound.

Jack: I mean, there's probably a plant that makes a sound. That's interesting.

Cristina: I would say that has consciousness.

Jack: Then by default, all plants have consciousness.

Cristina: Okay, all plants have consciousness.

Jack: But then where do we draw the line? Where do we stop our cells? Conscious?

Cristina: Yes. I don't know how. Yes, they're conscious. Everything's conscious. Okay. Everything. Even the walls?

Jack: Yeah. It seems like everything is conscious, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because if we just assume that consciousness is like a collection of matter, then everything is relatively, like different degrees of conscious, but all conscious, no matter what.

Cristina: How could you prove any of that?

Jack: How could you prove I'm conscious?

Cristina: Because you can say it and I believe you.

Jack: Right, but why does me saying it make it true?

Cristina: Hmm?

Jack: What can you do to prove my statement?

Cristina: Brain scans does that how to prove consciousness. Maybe there's somewhere in the brain that says, is the conscious spot like everything else. Like there's.

Jack: We have no idea. We have no idea. There's nothing. There's nothing.

Cristina: There's nothing.

Jack: Nothing. We don't have a guide or anything.

Cristina: Well, there's no test.

Jack: Nope.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: There's zero things tell us whether something conscious is alive. We don't even know what alive is. Regardless of consciousness, whether or not it's conscious. We can't tell something is alive. Like, if we. Because obviously we don't even know what consciousness is to say that that's alive. I don't know why that was where you went with that. But, like, we can't gauge any consciousness in anything. We're just assuming consciousness because we perceive thus, you know? I guess the same s*** applies of.

Cristina: The if something's alive that it's also conscious.

Jack: I guess a cell is alive according to our rubric.

Cristina: Oh, is it? What's the rubric?

Jack: Well, it needs to reproduce, it needs to grow, it needs to eat. It needs to respond to its environment. Like a cell fulfills all those things.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Is it conscious? Huh?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I guess consciousness is not the point.

Cristina: No. Okay, what's the point?

Jack: That we don't know what the f*** is alive. You can't just say something is alive because it's conscious. That doesn't make sense. Okay, that means that God isn't alive, but it's conscious. Oh, giant hole in the logic. That means that any other version of you in any other dimension is. Is by extension dead.

Cristina: They're dead?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because you're not alive, like, biologically, but you're still conscious. You're just dead. But, like, it doesn't make any sense. Okay, you got to satisfy the rubric. That's the measurement of life. Allegedly.

Cristina: Okay, but God's not alive.

Jack: God doesn't satisfy the rubric. No, he doesn't like age. He doesn't like die. He doesn't like. So what the f***? He's conscious. But does he. That doesn't make any sense. But I don't even know why we're talking about consciousness. Because we needed some inanimate object.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because it might be alive.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, how do you prove an in object is alive?

Jack: I don't know. I guess it depends on the object itself. Right?

Cristina: Like. Like what?

Jack: Here's the problem. Here's the problem. Here's the problem. You can't just grab an inanimate object. It would have to be something that already seems to behave on its own.

Cristina: But it has to be. Okay, so this is an inanimate object that believes.

Jack: I guess it's complicated. Would you say fire is inanimate? Because I feel fire is very animated.

Cristina: Yes, it's an animated thing.

Jack: Interesting. Right? So an inanimate object might not be alive because it's inanimate, but an animated object that doesn't satisfy the rubric might be alive.

Cristina: Huh? But how do we prove that that inanimate object is not alive just because it's not?

Jack: If we. If we go by the assumption that all matter has some consciousness, and the more complicated something is, the more consciousness it has. Everything is conscious. It's just different levels that we can gauge to some degree.

Cristina: But we're talking about life, though, now.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And anything that moves is alive. Like fire. You call that as light?

Jack: I guess. Here's what's weird. Here's what's weird. Okay. Okay, let's. Let's take some steps back. Right.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: There are literally animals that don't. Just things that satisfy the living rubric that don't move.

Cristina: What animal doesn't move?

Jack: Barnacles are this sort of sea creature that does not move or respond to its environment at all. But it reproduces.

Cristina: But that's like a plant.

Jack: No, it's sort of like a sea plant.

Cristina: Like a sea plant?

Jack: Something like that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Coral doesn't move either.

Cristina: Coral doesn't. Okay, so just all these things are in the water. Is there anything outside the water?

Jack: There's a germ. Staphylococcus.

Cristina: That doesn't move.

Jack: It doesn't move. It's weird. Other things have to eat it up and then they get sick. But it multiplies.

Cristina: But it multiplies.

Jack: Multiplies how?

Cristina: It's like. But it's not moving.

Jack: It's like. It's not a virus. It's a germ. It's a living thing. It's like a cell.

Cristina: It fits, but other germs move. This is the only one that's not moving.

Jack: Yes. It's really weird. It's very strange.

Cristina: But we can say that it's alive because it reproduces.

Jack: It reproduces, huh?

Cristina: That's the only way we know. Like. Yeah, that's a. That's the Thing that's not exactly.

Jack: Exactly. Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. So let's really think about this, right? There is a literal rubric for something requiring to be alive, right? So there is. There's a chart, and I think it's seven things. So we got. You need to consume nutrition, you need to breathe air, you need to poop, you need to grow, you need to reproduce, you need to age, you need to move. Just things like that, you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Basic s***.

Cristina: But how important are all those things?

Jack: Well, here's where it gets really weird, because not all things fit the category like what we just mentioned. Three things that don't move that we still consider to be alive.

Cristina: Is there anything that doesn't age? That's alive? What?

Jack: Turtles don't age. There's never been a turtle to die of age. They always die because they either get killed by some circumstance, get starved, or are sick. There's no turtle to have known to die of age.

Cristina: Of age.

Jack: Of age. No turtle dies of age. Turtles are the known immortal animal. Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But they age. They age, but they don't grow old, if that makes sense. They get older, but they never become seniors.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that is just a weird thing about turtles.

Cristina: That is so weird.

Jack: But also, jellyfish don't age.

Cristina: How do they? What?

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Like, they don't die the same thing, or is it just like.

Jack: No, they don't age. They don't age at all.

Cristina: They don't.

Jack: They do not age at all. Neither do lobsters.

Cristina: What? Neither do lobsters.

Jack: Neither do lobsters.

Cristina: But they have to. They have at least the age of, like, baby to adult.

Jack: Well, no, you're missing. You're missing. You're missing. They. I guess I got a word. It. They grow up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But they don't grow old.

Cristina: They don't grow old.

Jack: In every one of these instances. They grow up, but they don't grow old.

Cristina: Okay. But they do die. Except for the turtle.

Jack: Not available.

Cristina: Oh, all of them are the same.

Jack: Yeah. They don't die of age.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Because they don't age.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They don't grow old.

Cristina: Or the jellyfish, the turtle, and what was the lobster?

Jack: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Interesting, right?

Cristina: Yes. And for all these different things, what was it? The different points of life or whatever.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The rubric, the checkboxes.

Cristina: The checkbox. Is there an exception for each of those things?

Jack: Not necessarily an exception for all of them, but there's an exception for a lot of them. For example, last year on an episode you were talking about, we found A creature that doesn't require oxygen. Loriciferans, which are a type of. What the f*** are they called? The type of film, the loriciferins, which are a type of film that was discovered to not require oxygen but be related to the other film that are things that.

Cristina: That's a fish. I don't know. I feel like it was something water.

Jack: Related, but I don't know. Microscopic creature.

Cristina: Oh, it's okay.

Jack: And it's the cor. Not the cordyceps. What the h*** are they? The water bears are related to them.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And so this is a type of.

Cristina: Water bear that tiny.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Except it doesn't need air.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And sticking to the fact that not everything fills out every. Nothing completes the checklist. Not all things complete the checklist. The water bears themselves, what do they.

Cristina: They need.

Jack: They don't need food.

Cristina: They don't need food, but they can eat food.

Jack: They can eat food, but they don't need food. They have starved somehow for up to 30 years without seeing a single response.

Cristina: Well, but. And, and they just live.

Jack: They just fine.

Cristina: They're just fine.

Jack: Just fine.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Starve them out for 30 years. F****** nothing.

Cristina: But you would. If you still say these things are.

Jack: Alive, you still call, yes, they are alive. They, in any case, they respond, they do all the other things and then you have to say like, f***. So it doesn't fill out this one, which is crucial.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But then it does all the others. So if like something reproduces, is it alive? If something responds to its environment, is it alive? Because a plant responds to its environment. A plant breathes air, plant drinks water.

Cristina: Are there any, then that. Which of these don't have any? Example of something that doesn't have it.

Jack: Something that doesn't have it. That's a hard one.

Cristina: I don't know, because you said most of them, they're the turtle and whatever. Well, is there any that all of us have related? I mean, is there one thing that everyone has, no matter what, to be alive?

Jack: No, no, no, because. Okay, okay, okay. There would have to be things. But for a fact, if. If one of the things doesn't make. If any creature can fail making one part of the list, there must be situations in which they all happen. Things that we would consider to be alive. In the case of something like sperm, for example, we trace it back. We're like a fetus is alive. Well, a human is alive. A baby is alive. A baby in the womb is alive, which means a fetus is alive. And we keep tracing it and we're like, it's all alive. The ups of sperm before it's even a sperm, when it's just a collection of cells. But that's actually wrong because a sperm neither eats nor poops.

Cristina: So that's two of the things. Okay, so if they're missing more than two or two or more, then you wouldn't call them alive.

Jack: I don't know, it's complicated because some.

Cristina: Of these things were missing one thing, but you'd still say they're alive.

Jack: Yes. So the sperm is missing two and we still call the sperm alive.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay, so but should we. Or should two be the mark of like. Okay, now you're not alive.

Jack: I don't know. See, here's the thing. Here's the thing. I think our definition of life is.

Cristina: Flawed for like this checklist or.

Jack: Yeah, the checklist is f*****. The checklist is f*****. Because there's exceptions to the rule. Yeah, should be. The reason we can't find life is because we have a very strict thing and we're measuring everything by this loose, always changing thing. If we just pick some f****** things and say these things are alive, then we can basically. We need a word for something else. Now let's look at it like this, right? Carbon based life. One type of life. We theorize that there is the possibility for life not based on carbon.

Cristina: Yeah. There's like two other elements that you were talking about in some other episode. They were.

Jack: So there is the possibility that there could be creatures based on other elements that are sticky as well. We just don't have any proof for it. But we're also looking based on a rubric that's always changing. So we can't even find ourselves.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we need alive and we'll say that's carbon based life. If you're carbon based, you're alive. But let's use a different word that also means alive and say that some other s***. Is that anything that isn't carbon based but seems to have more or less the same things.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We can say is Galvan.

Cristina: Galvan.

Jack: Galvan. Which also means essentially animated.

Cristina: Yes. That's when they electrify dead bodies. I think that's alive, but it's not.

Jack: Really alive exactly, it's galvanized.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So alive in Galvan. So carbon based life that is alive.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then things that aren't carbon but fill out the rubric are then Galvan. And then we need a rubric for Galvan hard. There's no way to really do that yet. We just have to figure out what life is. Not before we can say what Galvan is. And that's where we're f****** up. Because we have a weird list that's always shifting.

Cristina: Yes, but do you have a list yourself for what life should be then?

Jack: Well, I think we should take out several things. Because nobody's gonna say a turtle isn't alive. Nobody's gonna say that a jellyfish isn't alive. Nobody's gonna say that a lobster isn't alive.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Aging is not a requirement of life. In fact, if we ever find the cure to aging and thus solve the problem of death. Death. We even know what. What things in our body specifically cause aging.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We might solve that problem.

Cristina: We might still be alive even if we solve the problem of death.

Jack: Exactly. In which case we can already foresee a future in which aging isn't a thing. But that doesn't stop us from being alive.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So we can remove aging from the equation.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The other thing we can definitely remove from is movement.

Cristina: Yeah. That seems really wrong.

Jack: Movement is an issue.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Responding to your environment. Completely unnecessary. And there's one perfect example of that case.

Cristina: What's that?

Jack: You can have a brain dead individual.

Cristina: Okay. That's exactly what I was thinking. Like.

Jack: And they're still alive.

Cristina: They're still alive. That's why. That's why I was thinking. Like that's so wrong. Because that's exactly what I pictured.

Jack: Yeah. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make any sense. There's still alive even if they're not moving.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: They have no motion. But you've not said they're dead yet.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And those two things are a problem. The other things that obviously don't need to make it are like consciousness. You can't judge that. You can't judge that. Exactly. There's no way to do it. Which would mean the only things that are a requirement for life would be nutrition. You have to consume things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Respiration, you have to inhale oxygen. Excretion, you have to have waste for what you consume. Growth. You need to grow in some degree even if you don't age. Two different things. And reproduction. You need to be able to make more of you.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: Now, something that is Galvan doesn't require any of the things I've just mentioned. But it does not at any moment mean that it's not conscious.

Cristina: Because we're not counting anything about conscious though. Because we can't tell.

Jack: Yes. We're saying that any conscious being could be alive. Or Galvan and Galvin is the thing that isn't life, but is not. But it's similar. It's the. It's life that isn't carbon.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: That's Galvin.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And because it's not carbon, it doesn't behave the way that things that are carbon are. But what do we mean? We mean is that it is conscious. It's perceiving the universe.

Cristina: There's no examples of Galvin.

Jack: Not that we can think of. Exactly. Yet.

Cristina: Yes, yet.

Jack: With enough time. But with this list, a couple of weird things will happen. Because most of the things in the world we can easily chalk off to alive and dead. Some of them are hypocritically so.

Cristina: Like what?

Jack: We just don't like some things?

Cristina: We just don't like some.

Jack: Yeah, we just don't like some things. And we done call it not alive because we can't.

Cristina: We.

Jack: We can't talk to it or something, you know. Yes, But a good example of something that fills the rubric out, all right, is fire.

Cristina: Fire.

Jack: Fire needs matter. Yes, yes, the checklist. Fire needs matter. Fire breathes air, Fire leaves waste. Fire grows and it reproduces fire. And the craziest part is it is carbon based.

Cristina: Yes. It fits all this and even fits some of the other things we took off the list, like movement.

Jack: Movement. Yep, yep, yep.

Cristina: What?

Jack: So fire is by any other measure alive. It's a living thing. It responds to its environment.

Cristina: Yeah. What?

Jack: It is a living thing. Fire is a living thing, alright.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Not only that, but fire. So unbelievably similar to humans in so many ways. Let's break down what a human is. Right. So human consists of a cycle of oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium and phosphorus, while fire consists of a cycle of carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen. All this f****** missing is phosphorus and calcium.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Okay, so then we go on and say humans breathe oxygen. Well, so does fire.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Fire cannot exist without oxygen. It would disappear. It's composed of a combination, particularly the running forces. The big giant chunks of everything that creates a person is carbon and nitrogen. Those are the two big ones out of all the major elements that they're composed of. Well, so is fire. Humans, after they inhale oxygen, they exhale carbon dioxide, which just so happens to be what fire leaves behind after it takes in the air.

Cristina: We're twinning. Oh my gosh, we're twinning.

Jack: F*** yeah. And the obvious one, that humans respond to their environment as does fire. Now, interesting enough. Fire fuses to procreate like a very specific species of angler fish.

Cristina: What do you Mean like angler fish.

Jack: There's an. There's an angler fish that it fuses with the female to reproduce. Their bodies fuse and fire.

Cristina: That's what's happening with fire.

Jack: Fire can fuse to reproduce. Fire doesn't need that to reproduce, but it can do that to reproduce, which is something that we already see in nature by something we already call alive. So it reproduces like something fully biological.

Cristina: What?

Jack: The only difference between fire and humans is that fire isn't, isn't composed of cells. That's an interesting thing that's going on there.

Cristina: We do we. Is that part of the definition? That's not part of the definition.

Jack: No, that's not part of the definition of life.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It is not made of cells, although I think people think of it that way. I think that's the general consensus. We're just looking for things that are either cells or made of cells and calling that alive and then trying to nail down the checklist for anything and everything that contains cells. But the problem is not everything falls in.

Cristina: Yes, like this. Like fire.

Jack: Yes, but in this case, by choosing very specific things, we can call something alive without needing the requirement of it being composed of cells. Although it's still carbon based life.

Cristina: It is what? It's a whole different type of life.

Jack: It's a whole different type of life and we can compare it and it makes perfect sense. It is carbon based life that behaves in every, every possible way like a human. It's just not made of cells. The problem is, in science we have a very particular problem where we think we already figured it out and moved forward as such. So cells that's alive. Now anything that has cells is alive by default.

Cristina: But.

Jack: Okay, then make a rule set that tells us. Well, no, if their argument was it's made of cells, thus alive. Fine, but why do we have a checklist then? The checklist would just be it's made out of cells.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Thus alive.

Cristina: The end. But then what about plants? No, they have cells too, right? Yeah, it's just different.

Jack: Different cells.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: That's why I think their argument is that even if they're trying to make a checklist, but the problem is it makes it difficult to discover what is life that isn't made of cells. Yes, that's where it f**** up. Maybe it's a useful measure that we say all things made of cells are alive, but there are things that aren't made of cells that are alive too. Like fire.

Cristina: Yeah, like fire. What's anything else like fire?

Jack: Well, something Very similar to fire is lightning, which is a form of fire, essentially. It's also constructed of nitrogen and oxygen as a response to its environment. And it does not age, which is interesting. Neither does fire. Neither does fire.

Cristina: It's just fire in a different form, though not necessarily. Okay.

Jack: Because its function is completely different and it's sort of composed of a chain reaction in a different way. I guess fire is also. Everything is a chain reaction. Think about it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. But what's interesting enough, after we have a rubric like this designed, we start getting into the weeds, which it gets weird. It gets really, really, really, really odd as you continue to move forward. Because if we use this rubric and apply it to a fetus, okay. Then we can definitely say even if a fetus is made of cells, this is assuming. We're not saying that all things with cells are alive.

Cristina: No, we're just going based on the checklist.

Jack: Yes, Just this checklist.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So based on this checklist, like a fetus breathes through its mother, a fetus consumes nutrition through its mother. It receives food and it poops outward through the umbilical cord. And it receives its oxygen through the umbilical cord and it grows with those things. But it doesn't reproduce, which is problematic because you're a living thing that doesn't reproduce.

Jack: And a fetus isn't a baby yet a fetus is just a fetus. Unless you're also saying the sperm is also a baby. But those doesn't work that way. So fetus does not reproduce. Thus by extension it is not alive. Alive.

Cristina: What, so you're saying only once it's born, it's alive?

Jack: Only once it's born, it's once. Well, it doesn't need to be born, but once it has functional sexual organs.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: That's when it crosses the threshold and can complete the checklist.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now I think the best approach is a combination of both systems. Right? So we say all things made of cells are factually alive.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And anything that completes this checklist.

Cristina: And.

Jack: And yes.

Cristina: All right. So this thing is alive even if it doesn't complete the checklist because it's made out of cells.

Jack: Exactly. So you're made of cells. Check. You're in. Yes, you've made it. That means you don't need anything else on the list.

Cristina: All right, but if you don't have cells, then we check the checklist.

Jack: Yes, check the checklist. You compared to the checklist and you function good. You are a living thing.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: That does not mean conscious. There's no way to tell.

Cristina: Nope.

Jack: Fire could totally not be conscious.

Cristina: Totally could be.

Jack: And it totally could be. It totally could be. There's no way to know.

Cristina: There's no way to know.

Jack: All of it could be intentional. Yeah, there's no way to know. We can't predict fire. Just the same way we can't predict a person. Yeah, it's random. It's chaotic. It moves in ways we can't assume. We can be. Like it's headed that way, but you know, we can never. Like we're gonna go that way and stop preemptively. It's like. But it turned that f*** away instead. There's no way to know. But following the checklist, now let's. Let's use that same checklist and compete with spur compared to sperm.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So sperm doesn't breathe, doesn't need oxygen. Sperm doesn't eat. Sperm does not excrete. Sperm doesn't grow. Sperm doesn't reproduce. All it does is respond to its environment. That's it.

Cristina: So it's not alive. Except for that. It's made out of.

Jack: Except for that it's made out of cells.

Cristina: Yeah. So it checks and it has. It's alive even though it doesn't have anything.

Jack: Unless we're saying the checklist is the only way.

Cristina: Yes, but I like using both.

Jack: I think made of cells equals alive or complete the checklist.

Cristina: Yes, I think that's right. How about a tornado? Since you talked about fire and lightning. Is tornado way off.

Jack: A tornado doesn't reproduce.

Cristina: No. Too little tornadoes.

Jack: Hurricane can make tornadoes.

Cristina: Does that count? Does that even though it's one giant thing. I don't know.

Jack: Why does size matter?

Cristina: Does size matter? I don't know. No, it doesn't.

Jack: Okay, well, let's look at the checklist. Needs to consume.

Cristina: Yes. Does it?

Jack: Yes. Water.

Cristina: Water.

Jack: Needs water.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And needs air.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Doesn't leave waste relative to air or water, though. It doesn't consume those things and then get rid of something. It doesn't leave carbon behind.

Cristina: It leaves water behind.

Jack: That's not waste. It's using it, but it's not getting rid of anything. That's what its body is made out of. Decomposing. If anything it grows, does grow, it can produce reproduction. We can assume the tornado itself. Yes, but then the tornado would in any case be like a sperm. It can't reproduce itself.

Cristina: Yeah, but then it won't be alive because it doesn't.

Jack: Doesn't complete a checklist. And it's not Made of cells.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Pretty simple checklist. It's easy to check things off suddenly and we can measure anything. That is the usefulness of something like this. We can immediately just say whether something is alive or not by putting it to this checklist. Easy, simple, easy peasy, lemon squeezy. One thing I do find interesting is the idea of a God that isn't made of cells and also doesn't breathe oxygen and. And also doesn't eat food, and also doesn't excrete and also doesn't grow and also doesn't reproduce. It does reproduce. That's why we're here.

Cristina: That's why everything's here. That's why everything's here.

Jack: So it can produce, reproduce, but it's not made of cells. And he can respond to its environment. That's how he knows good or bad and gets angry or whatever and rearranges things accordingly.

Cristina: I learned so many things from the checklist.

Jack: Yes. God's not alive.

Cristina: He's not alive.

Jack: He's Galvan.

Cristina: He's a Galvan.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Oh, wait, I forgot about Galvan.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Do we have a definition for Galvan?

Jack: Well, for Galvan, we don't know what things are Galvan. We have no checklist for Galvan because we needed to create a checklist for life that did not change first. Again, the one thing we know in Galvan is things there could be consciousness, things there could move, and things there could.

Cristina: So they. They may check off one or two.

Jack: Things off the list, but movement is. I don't know if it's a requirement. No, neither is aging. Something that is Galvan could potentially age, but it's also not in the checklist for life.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So they have things that could exist in both. We know things that could exist in both. And with those leftover things, we can then begin to look. So things that age. Some things that are alive age. Most things that are alive age, but not all things that are alive. So maybe there are Galvan things that age but aren't alive.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And maybe there are Galvan things that move aren't alive. Maybe there's Galvan things that respond to their environment but aren't alive.

Cristina: Are you putting sperm and God and Galvan?

Jack: Yes, both for Galvin.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Except sperm is made of cells. Oh, yeah.

Cristina: Already? Yeah.

Jack: Sperm is live because.

Cristina: But God and that. Tornado. Not tornado.

Jack: Hurricane.

Cristina: Hurricane. That. Yes. God and that hurricane.

Jack: Hurricane are Calvin. They are animated, but not alive.

Cristina: Okay. We cannot prove that they're cautious or not cautious, because we can't prove Any of it to anything. So.

Jack: So then assuming that we have things that are filling these rubrics, we can say that sperm and fetuses and just plants and whatever. Anything made of cells alive. But then we have fire that's not made of cells, but does check off the entire list. Thus alive.

Cristina: Thus alive.

Jack: Yes, yes. And if it wasn't for the fact that a fetus is made of cells, it would be Galvin. But it's made of cells. Yes, so it's alive. If it wasn't for a fact that sperm doesn't check s*** off the list other than responding to its environment. Yeah, it would be Galvan. But it's made of cells, so it's alive. Meanwhile, God Galvin. Any helium based life would then be Galvan. You could come, you could touch things on the scale and not check off all of them, but still not be made of cells.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And be Galvan.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: God Galvan. Like a previous episode, we were talking about shadow people. They're probably conscious. They move, they respond to their environment. But their physics are different. They don't necessarily breathe air.

Cristina: We don't.

Jack: They might reproduce.

Cristina: They might.

Jack: We don't know.

Cristina: We don't know much about them.

Jack: Yeah, they would seem to behave alive. Yes, except they're not made of cells. They don't check off the whole list. No, they're Galvan because they are animate and functional and responding to their environment. Maybe aging, maybe could even die.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But aren't made of cells and don't check off the life checklist. Yes, but we know they're not like a rock.

Cristina: No rock. Okay. A rock isn't alive.

Jack: A rock, as far as we know, is obviously. Well, we know it's definitely not alive. But the potential that it's not even Galvin is there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because there could be a third thing we don't even have a name for because we just made up a f****** name right now.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Add a third name and it doesn't fit Galvin checklist or Alive checklist. But there is consciousness somehow. And that could be a third thing of its own. If it's nothing that we would say is behaving as an animate object that doesn't seem to do anything except perceive, which is weird, but possible because that's what a vegetable is.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it could totally be haunted.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we don't know where that lands now, to give Galvin a definition. Right. I guess it would be a being that's not carbon based but still has capacity to be conscious. It doesn't need to be conscious, but it could be conscious. And it needs to. There should be a checklist that in the future we can make that should contain maybe something Galvan does move. Maybe it needs to move.

Cristina: But what about Frankenstein? That was what was based on. But because of this checklist and because of what we just came up with, is it alive?

Jack: Then he's made out of cells.

Cristina: Exactly. That's exactly what I was thinking.

Jack: Like, yeah, he's made out of cells. Frankenstein is.

Cristina: He's not a gallon. Even though he might be inspired by that idea. But our new checklist makes him alive.

Jack: Yes, because we're including being made of cells. And all the separate limbs he's made out of only function, because Cells.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So he's definitely alive. Alive.

Cristina: What?

Jack: But now, what's interesting about this is I would argue that something Galvin has to move. We'll put that in that checklist. It has to move. Now, something alive doesn't have to move, but something Galvin does.

Cristina: What about God?

Jack: Well, God can move.

Cristina: How do we know?

Jack: Well, he can do things. He's allegedly been places and he can create. That's all part of emotion.

Cristina: Okay. I guess creating would be part of motion. Just the idea of he has shown.

Jack: People his shoulder, unquote.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: And he had to move to do that or something. So based on that, he's Galvin.

Cristina: There's movement.

Jack: There's movement. So he's Galvin because there's movement. I don't know about aging. I feel like that one could be wrong.

Cristina: Aging needs to be there.

Jack: No, like it shouldn't be there because aging feels like a weird one.

Cristina: Aging. I don't know.

Jack: We can't prove shadow people age.

Cristina: No, you can't prove. I don't think aging needs to be there.

Jack: That's what I'm saying. I don't think aging should be. Be there at all.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And now, so. So I guess Galvin is pretty much anything that's not in the life list. So then our Luciferins, the films called Luciferins, are they alive or are they Galvan? They're made of cells.

Cristina: They're made of cells. They're alive.

Jack: Yeah. They're almost cells themselves.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which means. Yeah, they're alive.

Cristina: They're alive.

Jack: Even if they don't eat.

Cristina: Nope.

Jack: Because they bypass the checklist. If you're missing something from the checklist. Are you made of cells?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay, you're in.

Cristina: Yeah. That's it.

Jack: Simple. No question, no doubt in anybody's mind.

Cristina: All those vampires, werewolves, zombies, they're alive.

Jack: All alive. All alive.

Cristina: All of it.

Jack: Even like a fully. If zombies weren't barely alive. If they were, like, if you truly murder somebody to the point that heart stops beating and everything. That at least was a living creature.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It was never a Galvan creature.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And if it reanimates, it's again, a living creature.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because it's still made of cells.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah, I think we figured it out. Yeah.

Jack: And that means that turtles, for a fact, are alive. Are alive.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because we'll never say turtles aren't. But they don't age. And age is a weird one to have there at all.

Cristina: And jellyfish that don't even look like jellyfish. Yeah.

Jack: They look like some whole other s***. They look like a trash bag in the water.

Cristina: They look like aliens.

Jack: Yeah. It's really weird.

Cristina: But do you know any more Galvan creatures? I guess we'd have to. I don't know. That's. That's a tough one.

Jack: No, not necessarily, but that's the problem. We need to then make a checklist of things that we can call Galvan. And I think the only thing that makes sense for now is movement.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because we don't know how. Something like. I'm assuming that Galvan things will behave similar to living things in that most of them can move. And that's a good start.

Cristina: Yes. Okay, let me think. Something that can move.

Jack: Lightning.

Cristina: Lightning is alive.

Jack: It checks off some of the things on the checklist, but it's not made of cells and it doesn't check off all of the things on the checklist.

Cristina: Yeah. So lightning and fire go in there?

Jack: Well, no, because G. Gal. A. Fire completes the checklist.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: Fire is alive while lightning is Galvan.

Cristina: Yep. How many things make the checklist that aren't made out of cells? Is fire the only one?

Jack: Fire seems to be the only one, though. Fire is the only one at the moment.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: But fire fits everything. A human fits. Consumes matter. Humans consume organic matter. Respiration. Both. Fire inhales oxygen. Humans inhale oxygen. A screecher. Fire exhales carbon dioxide. Humans exhale carbon dioxide. Growth. Fire grows as it consumes. So do people. They grow as they consume. Reproduction. Fires can break off into smaller fires that keep moving and then grow on their own. By consuming, humans can reproduce, have babies that go on consuming and growing, and they can then do the same thing.

Cristina: So is the sun a living planet with, like, fire creatures on it or something?

Jack: Yes. You know, the difference is that the sun does age. The sun is a Different kind of fire.

Cristina: The south.

Jack: Yeah. It has a timer that's internal and ticking, and it's slowly aging, getting older and will die of old age. Something. Yeah. So it not only fits the entire rubric in which fire will definitely. Here's the thing. It doesn't actually. Because it doesn't need oxygen.

Cristina: Doesn't need oxygen.

Jack: It doesn't need oxygen. And it's not made of cells. So it's missing one thing in the checklist, and it's not made of cells. The sun is Galvan.

Cristina: What? How is a fire alive? The sun is Galvan.

Jack: How is lightning? Galvan? Okay, the sun and lightning are closer related than the fire. The fire in the sun.

Cristina: Okay. What? How about lava?

Jack: Lava. It leaves waste. But it doesn't grow. It does age.

Cristina: Does age. It does grow. When it turns into. What's the.

Jack: No, it's not multiplying. It's not getting bigger. It's rolling over things that might be higher up. And it just looks bigger. Yeah, but it's not growing. There's not more of it.

Cristina: So it's not alive.

Jack: No, it's not even Galvan.

Cristina: Or Galvan. All right.

Jack: Like it has movement. It has movement. It definitely has movement, but it doesn't reproduce.

Cristina: I'm thinking something Galvin reproduce.

Jack: I'm thinking something Galvin might need to.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think lightning reproduces.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We can see a bigger lightning bolt shred into a million smaller ones, and they break up into a billion smaller ones until they all celestial.

Cristina: You said like angels. Well, we have no idea what they do, so we can't say.

Jack: Well, based on what we know of angels, the lore of angels, they aren't made of cells. They don't breathe oxygen, but they fit the perception of life. They seem conscious, they move of their own accord. They respond to their environment. They can theoretically die.

Cristina: They seem a lot like us.

Jack: Yes, except they're not made of cells. They don't breathe, they don't poo.

Cristina: So put them in the Galvan.

Jack: They're Galvan. Like God.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like God and lightning.

Cristina: Yes, and the sun and the sun.

Jack: God, lightning.

Cristina: But does the God reproduce angels?

Jack: God can reproduce.

Cristina: The sun, though.

Jack: The sun doesn't reproduce. No.

Cristina: So is that still Galvan? Interesting, because now we're having for sure movement and reproduction has to be there.

Jack: S***. Do angels reproduce? Because I don't. Fair enough. Fair enough.

Cristina: We don't really know if angels reproduce or not. Maybe they do.

Jack: And if they don't, then they're not Galvin.

Cristina: Then they're not Gavin. I guess.

Jack: But they seem to be the closest thing to life, I would say. I would argue that angels and shadow people are the same s***, even if they're not. I mean, technically they are, but outside that point, if we went like biblical angels. Yes, and shadow people, then they behave the way humans do and seem to think and can talk and can respond to their environment.

Cristina: They're for sure conscious.

Jack: Sure, for sure. Conscious. But they don't reproduce. So that means reproduction cannot be in that checklist either.

Cristina: Okay, then. So then movement is the only thing.

Jack: We have so far.

Cristina: All right? It's just that you can't. You don't have the. The requirements for living. But you can move. So you're. You're a Galvan.

Jack: No, because lava can move and we can. And we know for a fact it's not reproducing. We know for a fact it's not behaving of any accord. It's just like water rolling. But lightning can reproduce.

Cristina: So then what's the requirement for Galvin?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Judging.

Jack: Okay, fair enough, fair enough, fair enough. What if something galvanized checks off many things off of the life list.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But not all of them.

Cristina: All right?

Jack: So you are either alive, in which you're either made of cells, or check off the whole list. Galvin not made of cells. And check off some of the things on the list or some third other s***.

Cristina: Okay, so then what was the one that we were saying? It only has movement, so it doesn't count. Yes, Lava only has movement.

Jack: But then we. We have four. Four tiers. Alive.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Galvan.

Cristina: Galvan.

Jack: Whatever movement by itself is. And then something that doesn't even have that.

Cristina: There's nothing that doesn't have movement.

Jack: A rock. It moves a rock. A rock doesn't move by itself.

Cristina: Mountains move.

Jack: Mountains also don't move by themselves.

Cristina: They grow. They don't move.

Jack: They shrink.

Cristina: They shrink. That's something.

Jack: No, no. So that's four tiers. Alive. Galvan motion and no motion. All right, so alive you have. You're either made of cells or check off the whole list.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Galvin not made of cells. Check off most of the list. Motion. Not alive. Not. Galvin, you don't check off. You're not made of cells and you only check off motion, which isn't even part of the list.

Cristina: Nope. That's just its own thing.

Jack: That's its own thing. If you can move, lava can move.

Cristina: Planets can move.

Jack: Planets could move. See, we have similarities. Now, water is in perpetual motion in the ocean, yes.

Cristina: So what's Atlas called?

Jack: That's just motion, I guess. We don't have a name for that.

Cristina: It's just things that move. All right. And things that don't move.

Jack: So biological life form and fire.

Cristina: Alive for fact, yes.

Jack: Shadow people, celestials, God, lightning, the sun. Galvin. All Galvin?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They don't necessarily check off many things. Well, they check off many things, but not all of them. The sun doesn't reproduce and doesn't breathe.

Cristina: That sounds right.

Jack: It does leave residue. It radiates parts of it, little by little. Excretion of sorts, of it can also get bigger. It ages. That's not even part of the f****** checklist.

Cristina: That's not. But it's so.

Jack: But it takes nutrition. Anything that lands into it, it consumes. It can't reproduce, but it grows. It has excretion. Some of the things on there make it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: God is weird because he doesn't satisfy a lot of this.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But he reproduces. D***. He only checks off one of the things on the list. So then checking off anything on the list.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: Without all of the list.

Cristina: Yes. Is galvanized.

Jack: Just one thing on this list. If you reproduce, Galvin, if you grow Galvin, if you excrete, Galvan, if you breathe Galvan, if you eat Galvin, you don't need all of them, you just need one of them. If you do all of them, you're alive.

Cristina: A virus.

Jack: Virus is alive. No virus is Galvan not alive. A virus is Galvin. Because a virus, it's creep. It excretes. And a virus can reproduce.

Cristina: It's not made out of cells.

Jack: It's not.

Cristina: Okay, then it's Galvin.

Jack: It's Galvin.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In fact, it kills cells.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: Or infects them. Or makes them sick.

Cristina: Or it makes them sick.

Jack: Yep. Yeah, but it is Galvan.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we were struggling. Science has struggled for very long to say whether a virus is alive or not. Well, you know what? It's close, but it's not alive.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: It's next best thing. It's Galvin.

Cristina: It's God. No.

Jack: God and a virus are more or less the same.

Cristina: It's more or less the same. Who knew?

Jack: So then, what else can we put on that list? We got the sun, we got God, we got angels, we got shadow people, we got lightning. That's an interesting one.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Lightning reproduces. Lightning breathes.

Cristina: What else? What else is there?

Jack: And then there's the motionless.

Cristina: The motionless water. Yes. Lava.

Jack: Lava.

Cristina: Wind.

Jack: Wind. Wind is in Motion.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And not one of those things we would say is conscious. We also don't know. There's no way to know.

Cristina: There's no way to know.

Jack: There's no way to know. But they do have motion.

Cristina: Yeah. But no matter where you're on this list, we don't know if you have conscious. Like, you'd be a non moving object, and we still have no idea.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You could be conscious in any case. But I guess the ultimate idea would be to try to pin consciousness down, because we. If we can prove that the. In the entire time when we're thinking God, when we're thinking angels, when we're thinking shadow people, we are thinking of things that we can at least say are similar to us in some manner, shape, or form.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we know we're biological, so we'll just chalk off anything biological and throw it into that same thing. Because it's probably, if any. If biology is the root, then for a fact. But if not, here are things that are similar.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the less similar you are, the further down this scale you are. But the closer to us you are, the more likely you are as conscious as me perceiving at this moment and thinking about it.

Cristina: Mm. So the only important thing is looking for, when we're looking for life is the living list.

Jack: Yeah. So we're comparing everything to the living checklist. Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then from the living checklist, we then attach rules to the checklist, rather than say, if you make the checklist, you are one, and if you don't, well, you're not. And instead of that, we'll say the degree of checklist completion. Number one, are you made of cells? Yes. Alive. Okay. Not made of cells. Let's move on to number two. There's a checklist. If you can meet all the requirements on the checklist, you are alive.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Great.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now, fair enough. We can say organic in place of alive, because organic inherently means alive. A hundred percent of anything that is made of cells is by default alive. So then we have a tier system. You're either organic, alive, Galvan, movement, moving. Good moving. Or some other s***. Or inanimate. Then. Then we finally hit inanimate.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There you go. Five steps. Are you organic? Sweet. That means you accomplish everything else under you except inanimate. Inanimate is the absence of all the others.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So you are moving. You do complete the checklist. Some of the things, you complete the whole thing. And you're made of cells. Organic. Organic is, for a fact, the goal. Okay, so you're not organic, are you? Galvin, do you? Or well, are you alive?

Cristina: Are you alive? Yes.

Jack: So then. Interesting, because that puts fire by saying organic over alive.

Cristina: It's not organic, but it's alive.

Jack: Fire is not organic, but it's alive. Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we are organic and we are identical to fire in everything, with the exception that fire isn't organic, but it is alive.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We're organic, therefore alive, therefore Galvan, therefore moving. But fire isn't organic, but it is alive, therefore Galvan, therefore moving.

Cristina: Yes. Does that work with everything?

Jack: Well, God, celestials, shadow people, lightning, they are all. They're not alive, but they're all Galvan and they're all moving. And lava, air, water, are not organic, not alive, not galvanized, but they're all moving.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. And then inanimate is just.

Jack: Then inanimate. Okay, so water is an animate object.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: As is lava, as is air. All animate. They're not inanimate.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Interesting. Have we designed. I think that's the proper checklist.

Cristina: Yes. We did it.

Jack: Interesting, interesting, interesting.

Cristina: And the checklist is called the Life checklist. No. Maybe.

Jack: D***. I don't know what the name of the checklist would be because ultimately the purpose of the checklist, of anything like looking for life or whatever the f*** we're trying to do.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Is to. Even if we're trying to find something in any of these categories, we're also ultimately only doing it to try to find consciousness. That is the ultimate goal of any of this. But because the idea is we find a cell, a different planet. Well, that means that life can happen, therefore there could be more complicated life out there. That's really what we're looking for.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Where life could happen again.

Cristina: Okay. So it's really the most important is just organic, really.

Jack: No. Because you could get through all these others that. I mean, if we found organic matters elsewhere. That's way more astounding.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because if life happened in some other way. Well, duh. Well, duh. What are the odds that it just. Exactly the same. Unless there's only one way it could happen.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That would be one way. There's only one way it could happen and that's it. Or we have a common ancestor somehow. That'd be the other problem. So it's either life can only happen one way, we'll have way more questions if we do find organic life. Way more questions than answers. Yeah, but if we just find like helium based life or some s***, we'd be like, yep, that makes sense.

Cristina: We just call that a living thing.

Jack: No, that would be Galvin.

Cristina: Galvin.

Jack: Yeah. Because it doesn't necessarily have to fill out the check. It could fill out the checklist and thus be alive.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It could also not.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: So the argument to be made is fire might be the only living thing that we can as of now, for a fact, pin down. And isn't organic.

Cristina: That's pretty amazing because then that really does show that there's other.

Jack: Oh, s***.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Oh, no. But it's organic. Okay. I was gonna say the Luciferians, but they're all made of. I was like, what the f***? They don't eat. But no, anything that is organic makes it by default.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So then fire. If we can find anything else.

Cristina: So we have a second example of life.

Jack: Yes. Isn't organic. We have one example of life that isn't organic.

Cristina: So it's possible to find others.

Jack: Yes. We have simplified it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: For the scientists.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that they can use. Right there we have proof. It is possible to fill out the checklist.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And not be organic.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The problem is we're looking for organic, which is stupid because what are the odds now if it did happen? Holy s***. But we didn't answer. S***. We just opened a million doors.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Which is. F***. Do we have a common ancestor? Or is f****** biology the only way to do it? Or like, what the f***?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So way more questions. But as of now, we have non biological life. If we follow this checklist.

Cristina: And that makes it. That it's possible.

Jack: That makes it possible. Because fire because. Is alive.

Cristina: We're not alone on this earth.

Jack: And it's possible there's other things that we're just not thinking about.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Because at least things that are galvan are a whole other kind of thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That is what we were basically trying to say was life before. But our checklist was too shaky.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So anything Calvin. It lit. That word is a synonym for alive, by the way. Anybody confused it means animated object. It's a lot. It's alive. The point of that is that it's another word for live. But we're not using alive because you're not completing the life checklist that we made up. Yeah.

Cristina: So.

Jack: Well, actually, the checklist was already made up by scientists. We just removed two things as obligations and said that anything else you have to meet, you can't not not meet it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Unless you're organic. Then doesn't matter. You've bypassed the checklist. You start at organic, move on to the life checklist. Move on to the Galvan checklist. And then finally. Can you move?

Cristina: Can you.

Jack: Most of the things. All the way through Galvan. So organic, alive. Galvan and moving can move most of the things if you don't fill out anything else. But you can move. You're at least not inanimate.

Cristina: Yeah, we're not interested in inanimate. Inanimate.

Jack: Yes. Because that would be the hardest thing to prove. Conscious.

Cristina: Yes. And we're not really interested in moving either.

Jack: We're less interested than all the other stuff, but we're more interested than we.

Cristina: Are Galvin, I think is when it's like.

Jack: Because Galvin gets really interesting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Reproduce. Wow.

Cristina: Well, I don't know. I think we're more. It's. It's gotta be over, Gavin.

Jack: It's gotta be Galvin or higher.

Cristina: I think it has to be over Galvin.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: I don't think we're interested in Galvin. What are the things in Galvin again?

Jack: Celestials. Shadow people.

Cristina: Yeah, that's why. That's why. Like, how do you prove any of that?

Jack: Lightning is Galvan.

Cristina: Yeah, that's why we're not interested in lightning. Although we're not interested in fire. And we already proved that that's alive, so never mind.

Jack: Sun is Galvan and it's super related to fire. Like lightning.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Wouldn't be. We be.

Cristina: The scientists don't care.

Jack: It would be like. Look at it like this, right? We have us at organic, thus alive.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we complete the whole checklist. Yeah, but also sperm doesn't complete s*** on the checklist. But it's alive. That's the same as saying there is fire. That completes the checklist. So it's alive. But lightning and the sun don't complete the checklist. So they're Galvin. Sperm is to us what lightning and the sun are to fire. It's one step under. Yeah, except it's the same. But not.

Cristina: Yeah, it's the same.

Jack: The difference is that sperm is in fact organic. Thus it bypasses everything and comes to the top.

Cristina: Unfair.

Jack: But it works. Anyways. That's fascinating as f***. I guess we have a rubric now to determine whether something is alive or not. So like I said, go find. I guess no longer look for an inanimate object. Look for any variant of animate object. Go scoop up some lava with your hand and make it listen to the podcast.

Cristina: I thought you were just talking to your walls. Why you gotta scoop lava now?

Jack: Because walls are inanimate and we're no longer interested in. I began this episode. Wrong.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So they have to scoop up, bare minimum, something moving.

Cristina: Like lava.

Jack: Like lava. Just scoop up.

Cristina: Scoop up some wind.

Jack: Scoop up some wind and you can listen to the show.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If it responds, then.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting.

Cristina: I think we got it.

Jack: I think. I think we nailed something down.

Cristina: We're scientists. Right here.

Jack: At least we simplified it for scientists. Anyways, if you guys got. If you guys like weird discussions like this. There are many discussions of this nature. We haven't done one this detailed in a while, but there's a bunch of weird s*** out there. You can go find out what it would be like if we, like, powered society with a potato, if you want to know.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, Remember that? Yeah, The. The machine. We had a time machine for a short.

Jack: Time machine. We. For a short time. We literally still have that time machine.

Cristina: We never used it. You used it to stop us from.

Jack: Killing cat people or something.

Cristina: You wanted to kill a cat people? I don't know.

Jack: Whatever. The point is. Point is we got. We got episodes where things happen.

Cristina: Things happen. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. And we look for life in a different episode. We actively search for life. So, yeah, go listen to those episodes. Listen to other things. I think we just had a questions episode or some s***. Anyways, if you want to find that stuff, you can find it at the official website@greatthoughts.info or on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or anywhere you get your podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTokod.

Jack: Yes. And you can subscribe and rate the show. And if you feel so inclined, you can always review the show.

Cristina: Give us your rating. We eat that. We eat that for dinner.

Jack: Yes. Yes, we do. You don't rate us, we starve.

Cristina: Yes. If you don't rate us, we starve. Help. And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Word of mouth. Tell people that we've solved the problem of life and then show them what we've come up with.

Cristina: And then show them your missing arm because you scooped up Blobber. Again, this has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: And balance.

Cristina: Balance. Yeah.

Jack: Creation and Atheos. Destruction and shaggy reason in the flying Spaghetti Monster. And chaos and Kek.

Cristina: What about Chuck Norris?

Jack: He's not a God.

Cristina: He's not? No.

Jack: I guess he's like a trickster.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. I guess he's more like.

Jack: He exists in sort of the pockets of f****** reality.

Cristina: If anything, he's a reality breaker.

Jack: Yeah. He's like Deadpool.

Cristina: Yeah. Yep.

Jack: Deadpool could be Shaggy that's so overpowered because he has this thing that makes no sense and cannot be explained in any f****** way, which is the ability to leave a panel. It's too overpowered. It seems so simple, but in any comic book page, he's basically invincible.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister, with social media managed by Amber Black.

January 30, 2021

JCP 5.01 Space Skits & Starving Children

January 30, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

The Just Conversation Podcast, Space Skits, Cliff Benfield, Show, Radio, Podcast, Comedy, Guest, Discussion, Funny, Animation, Cartoons, MeatCanyon

Guest Cliff Benfield, the creator of ‘Space Skits’ animations on Instagram and TikTok, joins Jack to discuss everything from the process of animation, psychedelics and MeatCanyon to complex thought experiments and the philosophies of creativity.

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January 09, 2021

Rambling 115: 2020 Apocalypse Review pt 2

January 09, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

Just Conversation, Politics, Election Fraud, New Year, Celebbration, Coronavirus, Aliens

Finishing our review of the slowest apocalypse ever, 2020.

The duo wrap up their studies of the ancient times of 2020. The good, the bad and the ugly are all wrapped up with a neat bow. As they do so, they remember the days before aliens ruled the world and days before the Mars Space station was a casual hangout for teens. Often referred to as “the good old days.”

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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Cristina: And also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So be sure to find somebody. And as always, you pick up the first sharp object by you, and you walk casually towards them. Make sure they see you and the sharp object. And the sharp object. And mumble something to yourself. It doesn't have to be coherent. It just has to under your breath. Make sure they hear you mumbling on your way over, but they can't tell what it is you're saying. Anything. Say the ABCs to yourself. It's fine. On your way over to them. And when you finally get to them, you say, us two, we're gonna f****** listen to the Just Conversation podcast. I promise you, they won't say no.

Cristina: Are they trying to threaten this person or no? Is it supposed to look like they're threatening them without actually threatening them?

Jack: They're alluding to danger, although they're never saying there's danger.

Cristina: Yes. That's very Dennis. Dennis. That's very Dennis.

Jack: Yeah. Anyways, talking about getting all dark on people around you and death and whatnot. Today's episode we're following up on the 2020 recap we're doing. It's Been a Fun Year, the review from last year. So if you haven't heard the first part, be sure to do that. Go back, listen to the first five months of the year when s*** was serious and we just cross over to get f***** area.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Where s***'s gonna get f*****. So we had just finished May in our recap, and that's when the shoe dropped hard. Following the death of George Floyd, a unarmed black man at the hands of a white police officer and four other, well, three other cops standing by doing nothing. This got recorded, and it was a very long video of a man begging for his life while slowly fading out of this plane of existence. And when we ended, we were at 6 million coronavirus cases.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: So let's begin on June, June 2nd. Brooklyn PD. It's accused of corruption and abuse of power. Repeatedly. This time, they're caught on video after the protests broke out, after the country broke into protests, after Minneapolis had police try to solve their accusations of police brutality by using police brutality. This spread out to the rest of the country. And everywhere there were protests everywhere. Police also, police were trying to resort to the same measures. You're saying we here are also abusing our power. You're saying we're being brutal. Us, the cops, here to protect you. And as a result of trying to stop these false accusations caught on video, two police SUVs slammed into and drove through a crowd of protesters. Because this is America, and that's how you show them we're not brutal.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. It's not all the police run them over. You run them over.

Jack: Additionally, around this time, where s***'s hitting the fan pretty hard and race wars are essentially breaking out, I remember seeing a video of a guy in a truck who, I guess he had like a Trump flag or something, and he like flipped off some protesters that they pulled out behind them. They drove next to truck, got in front of the truck, slowed down the truck, ripped the guy out of the truck. I think he actually hit somebody with the truck. And then they got to the truck, they pulled the guy out of the truck, and they were on a bridge. They threw that guy off the bridge because that's where we are. I remember showing you that specifically the guy get pulled out of the truck and flung off a bridge. And then somehow he survived, which is way worse than had he died.

Cristina: But he. He hit someone before that too.

Jack: Yes, with the truck.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: He hit somebody with a truck. He already had like Maga flax on flags on his truck. And they just freaked out. A bunch of black people pulled him out, threw him over the bridge.

Cristina: And he lived.

Jack: And he lived. Which is way worse had he died. Great. Fantastic. End of the story. No, he fell off that bridge intervent. So that sucks. So, yeah, this is just day two. June 5th. The Buffalo riot police quit. Buffalo, New York riot police quit in protest of these. In protest of their abuse of power and in defense of some other cops. So your solution to being told you abuse your power is to quit. Which in reality, when that was being debated and discussed, the fact of it was investigations were being opened everywhere to.

Cristina: See that police are really abusing their power.

Jack: Any place that had a lot of accusations because now the country is calling for it. Look into all your cops. So they weren't idiots. They were like, not. We're out.

Cristina: Yeah, it's more about I. I got to do some things I forgot. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: They were just definitely like, I think my mom's calling. Yeah, she needs me right now. I can't be at work for a couple of months.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Oh no. The Covid's real now, guys. It hasn't been real until this very moment. But I gotta stay home now, you know, Safety of my family and all. June 6, this is where that other shoe dropping finally hits the ground. It's only been fought, it's been mid air Suspense. This entire time we've been watching it incrementally because the global protests erupt.

Cristina: Now the world, the world, the world is protesting. It leaked brutality.

Jack: Yeah, it leaked out of the country.

Cristina: Yeah, that was pretty amazing.

Jack: It's. It's on some whole other s***. It left the United States and hit everywhere else.

Cristina: Because it's happening everywhere else as well. This problem, this police brutality thing. It's not just the cops here.

Jack: And as this is happening in the rest of the world, the US is leading the movement. So we're always. It began so Minneapolis had the first death, then they had the first protest. Then the protests spread everywhere else. When Minneapolis evolved into rioting against the police, into a mini war, then the rest of the country, the protest spread to the rest of the world. And now all the other places that police tried to solve with more brutality on top of the accusations, now those places are starting to have an uprising against the cops. This is where things got weird for a couple of weeks. It got really complicated in June, but it began in June 6th when this s*** really started happening where the entire country not just protest, but riots. And not just riots, but good guys on both sides, or both good guys on the good side, and two different factions of bad guys, all in some sort of guerrilla warfare happening in major cities all over the country. We got people in New York City, both good police officers and protesters uniting entirely, uniting against corrupt departments supporting abusive behavior. So they're coming together, they're standing. This is a great line that's being drawn right now because we get videos of police officers taking knees with protesters walking hand in hand, marching down the streets. And we have other videos of police officers plowing through people, shooting them, tear gassing them, pulling out lethal weaponry on people, assaulting people who aren't even part of the protests. Like the kids who were just driving out of college. So crazy there's a war happening and you got to pick a side. But s*** kept getting crazy. And this is where we have the curfews getting established throughout the United States. Not even related to the COVID because businesses were closing. But you weren't obligated to stay at home. That was an advisory. Now being outside is illegal.

Cristina: That has to do with the protest.

Jack: That was with the protest. People were being. It was that crazy. In major cities, people were being sent home at a certain time about 8pm and you had to do it.

Cristina: You have to go home to stop you from protesting.

Jack: Stop the protesters and stop the rioting and stop the looting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And stop the dangerous behavior between the cops and the protesters. It got really crazy. And arrests at random and attacks on peaceful protesters. And by riot police. This is done by riot police throughout that whole time. So they just got more vicious after the curfews were put. Basically. Martial law was established in June.

Cristina: Yeah. Is that the same month where we were getting weird videos about what police were doing? Like some of them were dressing up and pretending to be protesters. Some of them were putting. What are those? Bricks. Bricks everywhere.

Jack: Yes, all of that. They were stacking bricks together. They were breaking windows while dressed like protesters and s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: All that is the same. Because now they're trying to do their own more. Hey man, you're getting negative attention on us. And this should not you we're gonna get negative attention on. And TIFA was just the racist cops. Just the racist cops trying to frame the protesters and have a reason to be violent against them. But that didn't last long because June 7, footage of off duty officers out of uniform looting and torching properties surface. And that's where we get to see these videos.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And see that when you pull their mask off, it turns out that guy's a f****** officer.

Cristina: Like the ending of Scooby Doo.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: You take off the mask. Like what?

Jack: And who found out it was the f****** meddling kids.

Cristina: It was the meddling kids. Whoa.

Jack: Towards the end of June 7, we started getting the videos of police arresting police. I saw some really weird s*** that day. Particularly the cops that broke into a store fully in uniform to beat the crap out of protesters. To then have other cops enter behind them, draw their guns on the original cops to walk in, tell them to put the gun. Because they were about. The cops who went in first were just gonna shoot unarmed people. That was their goal. Then the second wave of cops walked into the store as well. And their. Nope, put your s*** down. And they started arresting each other.

Cristina: That was f****** complicated. Yeah.

Jack: Cops arresting cops. It got really weird. We had cops talking bad about cops. Cops out high ranking cops discharging people. There was a white cop snapping out some innocent protester who had no weapons. Being common everything. And his senior came up and Told him, you're f******. Get the f*** out of here. And that's caught on video. Just this lady walks up. His senior was a woman who just walked up and is like, get out. You're off of it.

Cristina: Yes. What?

Jack: And so we had a lot of that.

Cristina: This is when they talk of no more police or that's a little later.

Jack: This is the month where that conversation. It began early and it started to take form as the month went along. And around the 22nd, we get a. From the CDC and the WHO that the. The band the WHO, CDC and the band, the who. We get told that more than 80% of cases in March might have gone undetected. Because now we find out you don't necessarily show symptoms if you have it.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: Because now we're starting to get testing in hospitals and things in Mass, and we're finding out, holy crap. There are many, many, many people who have no symptoms. This has already escaped our control. It is God knows who has it. And that's complicated because as we close the month, we've only pretty much been testing people who have either gone to get tested or gone to the hospital at this point. And we've hit that number globally at 10 million by the end of June.

Cristina: 10 million. Which last month, 6 million.

Jack: Yes. So we roughly doubled up. A little less than doubled up. That's how we end June. But then July comes, a relatively tame month. Things don't really happen.

Cristina: Probably more still talks about what to do with those cops.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Like police reform becomes a new thing. Besides just getting rid of them. How about we just change the system?

Jack: Yeah. Because of the amount of protesting. That became one of the main things we had to do. And the protesting had not stopped. It will not stop. It's kind of still going on right now, 20, 21. It's never stopped. That ball got started and it's still f****** rolling. There's a place that's had a little over, like, five months of protest straight since they began.

Cristina: Good.

Jack: Fair enough. But, yeah, so that's definitely around July. It starts to take place in New York City, particularly, where they start to actually implement some of these things.

Cristina: Actually. They actually did.

Jack: Yeah. They start firing police officers and they start starting with the people who killed George Floyd. They're starting to get punished. But now they cases are opened everywhere and they're flipping over this law. They've brought up the law that allows paperwork to always be hidden from the public relative to cops and junk.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So now that's immediately got moved to the top main court. S***. And now it's being debated whether we should get rid of this because it is definitely allowing abuse of power.

Cristina: Definitely.

Jack: So that's all being discussed. And we come to July 7. US surpasses 3 million infections WHO withdraw. So we're just like, you guys don't know what you're doing. Because we know what we're doing. Like, any help is better than no help.

Cristina: No. We have the vice president. He takes charge.

Jack: He takes charge.

Cristina: He's gonna protect us.

Jack: He is better than the ban.

Cristina: The who. Science knowledge.

Jack: Hey, who knows how much science knowledge? He's probably a closeted scientist. Studied all the things, of course. Who. Who do you trust more to deal with the virus? The vice president or the band? The who. Right. Okay.

Cristina: Fair enough.

Jack: See how that works? You think, like, I guess they mean chill music, but, like, do they know chemistry? And it's like, even if Pence doesn't.

Cristina: Know chemistry, he's got the Space Force on his side.

Jack: He does.

Cristina: They could help.

Jack: He's already sort of science y. Yeah, Space Force. Now Covid, it seems like he's at least staying in the sciences.

Cristina: Such weird jobs.

Jack: The most religious guy any of us know is who got put in charge of science.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Crazy. He's going to pray at it. He's going to pray at it. But July 9, things escalate a little more. And it's because in Florida and in Texas, there's regions that people were catching it the entire time, but there were groups of people who were actually staying at home en masse. And those people started getting into the hospital with COVID What was going on? Well, they sent some teams out there to start investigating and checking out what the h***'s happening, because these are rural places where, like, people weren't going anywhere. A lot of them are seniors, and they're just staying home to be safe. But it turns out the virus went airborne. It mutated, and now there's an airborne strain in the South.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: And that kind of throws a wrench in all the plans, because how do you hide from something that's going to catch you in your house, whether or not you're around people?

Cristina: But it can't just go into your house, can it? It's not like traveling into houses, is it?

Jack: But, like, on its own, you can't leave the inside of your home, even to your own property, because Air.

Cristina: Yes, yes. Someone who has it might have walked by, and then it's just there hanging out.

Jack: And that doesn't help that we're having some of the craziest wind, which is problematic.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: S*** gets weird. So, yeah, now it's airborne. And by. We end July with an airborne virus at 17 million cases global.

Cristina: Whaat.

Jack: What's interesting about this is the numbers are going down. We're not doubling up anymore. The numbers are already huge, so every time we. 0.5, it's still kind of excessive, but the amount it's spreading is still going down. Interesting enough collectively, like, we're no longer double each time, even if way more people have it. We're definitely based on the numbers figuring it out. Even if it looks like there's a bunch of a******* not following rules or whatever.

Cristina: There's enough doing the right thing.

Jack: There's enough doing the right thing. Yeah. And then we enter August. This is a weird one, because s*** gets complicated pretty quickly. So we begin August and immediately with a bang. Yes, with a bang.

Cristina: Hey, like January, sort of.

Jack: Yeah, kind of. Sometimes months start with a bang. And the particular bang here on August 4th was also on August 4th, by the way. Two bangs on the 4th of two different months.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Interesting. Okay, also, side note, every president who doesn't show up to another president's inauguration has John in their name. Just saying. Just a weird fact about life.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Here's spitting gems. Here's a gem for you. Every president that's ever not gone to the inauguration of another president has been in some manner, shape, or form, had the name John. Had the name John.

Cristina: But there have been Johns who have been there.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: All the ones that didn't go were John. Were John. Okay.

Jack: And that is Donald. Yes, Donald John Trump. I thought it was Junior until I looked this up.

Cristina: How would you think? Why didn't he. Him naming his child Junior wouldn't make sense. You don't name your child Junior if you're a Junior Canopy.

Jack: The second third would be Junior. The third. There you go.

Cristina: Yeah, but his name is Junior.

Jack: His first name.

Cristina: No, it's Donald Junior, Isn't it? Don Junior, they always call him. Yeah, but is Donald junior?

Jack: Yeah, they don't have to say the third, but he would be. Anyways. Not the point. So the Beirut explosion in Lebanon, that.

Cristina: Was in August 4th.

Jack: Yes, on August 4th. The Beirut explosion in Lebanon, which was two consecutive explosions. One was relatively tame, which got all the cameras out. People started looking and whatever. And then the second one went off, which played a little like a nuke.

Cristina: It looks like, when you see it.

Jack: Yeah. Mushroom cloud and everything.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: And it cleared out a giant. It destroyed Beirut root. It got Wrecked pretty badly and killed over 190 people and injured more than 6,000. Windows for miles broken, popped no more windows. Buildings in the immediate vicinity.

Cristina: No more buildings.

Jack: No more buildings. They cease to exist. They have been removed from this universe.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: F****** nuts. And due to. It's due to unsecure tons. Tons. Almost 3,000 tons of ammonium nitrogen stored in hangars in the city's port.

Cristina: Yep. That they totally forgot about or something. Yeah.

Jack: They were like, it's fine here. Nobody said s*** for the last couple of years. It's totally fine. Ignored it. And boom. Then boom. S*** got real. That's how we started the year. A nuke style catastrophe.

Cristina: That was a pretty crazy explosion. Just to watch it. And then all the conspiracies about that and like was it a nuke or was it a bomb from somewhere else or what is. You know. No one wanted to believe what it was.

Jack: Nobody wanted to believe it was what it was. Then August 12th, we find out that severe obesity increases mortality risk from COVID which explains why it spreads like wildfire in the United States. Predominantly in major cities where the unhealthy McDonald's lovin, KFC loving, obese, diabetic, cancerous heart disease, having high blood pressure, having way too much sugar, having no exercise and I'm not gonna eat anything minorly green people live. And so it becomes way apparent why we're doing way worse than the rest of the world.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's because we're unhealthy as f***. And it predominantly kills unhealthy people. It began on the elderly. That was how it began.

Cristina: Oh yeah. We didn't mention that. But yes.

Jack: But then as many mutations kept happening, it shifted and it landed on fat people. Fat people. People with. Because it took a while to get to fat people though. It went through smokers. There's a strain that attacks smokers. But there's a strain that if you're a smoker, you're less likely to get what. That's a f******. There was a strain that gives you heart problems. There's one that only affects you if you have heart problems.

Cristina: There was one that was attacking children.

Jack: There was one that was attacking children. There was one that was particularly dangerous for diabetics. So many different strains just mutates any f****** chance it gets. It's f****** crazy. But whatever. So we find that out and then on the 17th, COVID 19, now the third leading cause of death in the U.S. somehow we've still managed to out drive Covid. Right. Is that the other what are the other two?

Cristina: I like. The other one is, like, accidentally falling into something, like something really retarded.

Jack: 5 Ways to Die Us. Oh, s***. So heart disease, then cancer, then Covid.

Cristina: I thought accidents.

Jack: I thought accidents were number one, but it's number three. Yeah, I thought accidents, but I guess I'm wrong. So heart disease, then cancer, and now Covid. Then Covid. Interesting. Covid's a strong runner.

Cristina: I really thought accidents was gonna be up there. It is up there, but it's not.

Jack: It's up there. Not worse than Covid. We're not out here trying to fight heart disease with everything we've got. We're not out here trying to fight cancer with everything we've got. We definitely came up with an immediate vaccine for Covid, though. Rich people got threatened. That's why when rich people get scared, they. They do whatever the f*** they need to. Money goes into everything. But if it's like they're making fat people decisions, they're. Of course you're gonna have heart problems.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But you can educate them. No, no, no. That wastes my money. But now there's a plague that might get to you. Oh, no. That requires my money. Yeah, so that's how that works. So, yeah, Covid becomes the third leading cause, right behind cancer and heart disease. And then on the 19th, Trump was asked about QAnon at a press conference. QAnon? The people who brought you Epstein's Island?

Cristina: Yes. The people who are trying to protect the world from pedophiles. Evil predo. Pedophile.

Jack: Reptilian, Illuminati. Pedophiles who drink children blood.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which is conflicting because. Are they raping the kids or are they harvesting the kids?

Cristina: I think they're doing both.

Jack: They're raping them and to scare them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then you take their blood.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh, so they're vampires.

Cristina: Yes, they're vampires.

Jack: They break in.

Cristina: They're shape shifting vampires. Blood sucking. Yeah, they're vampires.

Jack: Yeah. Kind of fits. Okay, fair enough.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But when asked about it and whether he supports them, and they explain that these are crazy conspiracy theorists. Not to say they're actually crazy. This is what the media said. I think these people do know what they're talking about to some degree. They're kind of crazy. Don't get me wrong. They're out of f****** minds. But they're not wrong. They're misguided. They are too passionate about something they've not looked deep in enough to like. They haven't done the work.

Cristina: They're disconnecting things they're being told by.

Jack: Some omniscient other douchebag.

Cristina: What's going on?

Jack: What's going on? They're like, well, let's go. Let's do fear. F****** Q is good. He knows the truth. And it's like, okay, look, some of this stuff is true, but you guys are idiots about your approach, and you're not well informed on how it's true. You're just assuming how it's true.

Cristina: Yes. And then I saw videos of a lady who went to a store where the masks were and she destroyed it for QAnon. She destroyed the mask display.

Jack: Makes sense.

Cristina: Masks are killing us.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, They've laced our masks with things that make us stupid or something.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And so, yeah, when told about this, Trump was like, I don't know. I don't even know how to make an impression. I don't know. I don't know much about the movement other than I understand they like me very much, which I appreciate, but I don't know much about the movement.

Cristina: I don't. He sounds evil. He sounds like Batman.

Jack: Hey, he does sound like Batman.

Cristina: I'm not sure.

Jack: And then on August 28th, first known case of COVID re infection reported in the US a person who was cleared and seems to have not have it anymore now has it again, which means you don't stay immune for long.

Cristina: So then what about all these vaccine things? Will they help out if you can just get it again or. It's like the flu, you get it every year.

Jack: Well, assuming that it doesn't work anywhere near as powerful as that, and that your immunity fades after a couple of months, just two or three as it seems. That's really a temporary measure. The goal would be have enough supply. Vaccinate your entire population. The virus has nowhere to go. Isolate those that still have it, vaccinate them, eradicate it. Like smallpox.

Cristina: Will never be that organized.

Jack: We've done it before.

Cristina: Okay, like smallpox.

Jack: Just a matter of doing it right.

Cristina: Until there were ladies who decided their children doesn't need the smallpox vaccine.

Jack: And then it spread all over again, so. Cuz.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: We did it because. Essential oils. Why not? It's those people. Anyways, we close this month off with 25 million cases. Still slowing down. Now we're what, less than one third up? It's way less than before. Numbers are still coming down. But here's what's funny. Everywhere else in the world, they're slowing down.

Cristina: In the US it's growing.

Jack: Most of that increase is just us. That's where it starts to get really complicated. Because us continues to grow exponentially while other places are successfully lowering in town. Enter September. We're long past the January, February, March inferno that Australia was dealing with. It was horrendous. It was awful. But we got through it. We got rid of it. They're gone. We're free. You guys get to rest. It's finally done. You guys can go back home. All you firefighters from California that came to help you get to go home. You Australian firefighters who made it through, you're good. Oh my God, there's a fire in California. We gotta go home to fight a fire also. You Australians, come with us. We need you. Enter the actual worst fire in the planet's history.

Cristina: The California fire.

Jack: Yes. The fast moving bear fire, which was propelled by apparently lightning strikes and 45 mile an hour winds that spread that b**** the f*** out in an hour. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. That was f****** crazy. Burned a hillside by the Bidwell Bar Bridge. The fire tore through 230,000 acres in one 24 hour period. That s*** is not f****** around. That wind was not f****** around. Nevertheless, that wind was followed by a giant cool chill.

Cristina: Then other wildfires spread across California, reaching Oregon and Washington.

Jack: Yes, the craziest part about these are that they weren't even lightning strikes or anything of that nature. It was literal embers. Giant. The winds were so strong they carried over still lit embers that were giant chunks enough to not go out on their travel across state lines.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: Land in a different forest and ignite that s***. What?

Cristina: What?

Jack: That's crazy. That's the one that happened in Washington. Yeah, it just flew across from California, landed there and boom, now you're on fire too. So the f****** planets burning at this point. United States is on fire. One of the largest fire or the largest fire in history. We're talking we just lost the Amazon and Australia and somehow. Yeah, let it, let it all burn. All of it. God's like I said once, I wouldn't drown the world. And so he's fair setting it on fire.

Cristina: Because he didn't promise that.

Jack: Okay, yeah, he didn't promise no fire. That was his favorite to start with. Think about it. Saddam and Gomorrah drop that f****** fire from the sky. F*** these people. That's how you do it. Extinguish m************. But yeah, so that's how the f*** that went. And collectively it destroyed so many f****** homes and burned through at least 2.5 million acres in California.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: One of those fires I don't know if it was during that month or later on where the. They were trying to do a child's rebuke. A baby sex reveal party thing.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Gender reveal.

Cristina: Gender reveal, that's the word.

Jack: But it's wrong. It's. Sex reveal is the right one.

Cristina: Oh, well. Anyway. And that started a fire.

Jack: Yeah. Cuz white people in fireworks America. Yeah, that's what happens. I hope they enjoy jail.

Cristina: Like you know what's happening in California. And then you do that. Though that should be illegal, shouldn't it?

Jack: I think it is illegal.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. You're expecting too much from people who don't think a lot. They should know more. Yes, Most people should know more. Most people don't know more. People are inherently stupid. Those people are a prime example of white privilege.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Moving on. September 23rd, a new, more contagious strain of COVID is discovered. Because that's how the story goes.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: Before we had airborne. Now the previous original one that arrived has a strain which can fight most of the things in your immune system. Now you're more likely to catch it.

Cristina: Nice.

Jack: And that's to say the airborne strain is now popping up in a lot more places. It's either moving because people are traveling with it, or other strains are evolving to be airborne as well.

Cristina: Yeah, that could be awesome.

Jack: Which is problematic because vaccines come around. Do they work on all the strains?

Cristina: That is the big question that we gotta find out.

Jack: Big question. And then the global COVID deaths surpass 1 million. We have 1 million deaths of COVID landing the end of September with a total number of cases reported at 33 million. A million deaths, though still slowing down gradually. More and more, it's just crawling to a halt. Then we get to October.

Cristina: The first hornet nest is discovered in America. And it was destroyed. It was in Washington state.

Jack: Yes, yes.

Cristina: The Nest had 800 workers and nearly 200 queens were produced from that single nest.

Jack: And there's a soon to be more.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we're just on the hunt for them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah. So that's October for you. We have on October 2nd, Trump and the first lady test positive for COVID 19 and Trump enters the hospital. On October 5th, Trump leaves the hospital but continues receiving treatment. By October 8th, the White House had a Covid outbreak that reached 34 staff members.

Cristina: Ridiculous. Did he do that? I think he did that.

Jack: He just went back home and spread it to everybody. So as we are reaching the end of October, the flooding that was happening earlier in the year hasn't stopped. Yet.

Cristina: But flooding from India and Nepal.

Jack: Yeah. And as that's finally coming to a close, or not coming to close, but falling lower than it was before, people start calculating the destruction which got excessive because the river resulted in the death of. The river's flooding resulted in the death of 189 people and left over 4 million homeless in India and Nepal, all by the end of October. They were living a separate kind of h*** on top of the fact that they were dealing with the virus in that whole time.

Cristina: 4 million homeless.

Jack: Ah, what End of times. And then we end October with a total infection count of 45 million. But if you notice, that was a.

Cristina: Little bit of a jump there from 33 to 45.

Jack: Now we're over 1/4 gain when we were only just a little. I guess we've been doing about 1/4 for a while now. Okay, fair enough. But we go into November then getting. Getting close to the end here, the end of days, and we enter November and, you know, we have a crazy presidential campaigning and debating and stuff. And then finally on November 3rd is.

Cristina: Oh, before we talk about the elections, I do want to mention a little bit about the Deb. Just one thing. My favorite thing that I probably already talked about, but come on, come on. Trump talks about Biden's plans to replace the windows. No, to destroy buildings and then rebuild them to make little windows.

Jack: Tiny windows.

Cristina: Tiny windows.

Jack: He wants have all the buildings with tiny windows.

Cristina: Tiny windows. Yep. He wants to destroy all of them, replace them just with tinier windows. That's the evil thing.

Jack: Also, Pence became Lord of the Flies.

Cristina: Yes. That was a huge thing, too. That fly was a star in those debates.

Jack: Yes. People love it. He's the most celebrity ever existed.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: It's the most famous. The only thing more famous than Trump is that fly.

Cristina: Yes. No. November 3rd, the election day happens, and.

Jack: It'S an excruciating day with battles and swords and guns and tanks rolling on the street, missiles dropped.

Cristina: The date like, it lasted three days, four days.

Jack: Well, people were waiting to see how the count happens, which didn't end because many, many more votes way under prepared. November 4th, Trump, he claims that the results are bullshit. That because he ended, obviously. Okay, so the process goes that you begin counting the first ballots that were walking and then you count the ballots that were mailed in. This applies this way to most states. Trump almost exclusively told his people to vote through ballots in person.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: While Biden told everybody to stay f****** home and vote from their house. So the ones that are counted first.

Cristina: Are Trump's are Trump's votes. So his numbers get higher.

Jack: So his numbers get higher. Exactly. They have to be higher because you told everybody to vote in person and the states vote in person. Trump's original goal was to have himself declared president by the end of the first day, to completely exclude any mail in balance. But he found that incredibly difficult because it's illegal and you're gonna go to jail if you do that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that plan got flushed down the toilet, and then propaganda had to come into play, which is where he comes in and tells people that it's bullshit that I'm losing because I was winning yesterday. Yes, but you should have told people to vote by mail, because anybody who was like, I'm not voting by mail. It's crooked, but was too lazy to come in is a vote you lost.

Cristina: And he wants them to recount the.

Jack: Votes and stuff in many, many places that recounted by their own Republicans.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And turned out it wasn't fraud.

Cristina: And also, he has this crazy conspiracy that counting votes turn you evil, which I don't understand. Like, if they're turning you evil, why would you trust the next people to count the votes if the counting's gonna turn those people evil?

Jack: What's fascinating is that the exact same process took place in the previous election.

Cristina: Well, they were all evil. Yeah.

Jack: Because it worked in his favor. He was cool with it.

Cristina: Yes. Once it wasn't. Yeah.

Jack: And that's how that goes. So that's crazy. That happens for a while. And we. We get in the same day that the fourth, where he's over here like, no, this is all bullshit. I secretly won, and they're trying to steal it from me. The United States also reports that the daily coronavirus cases have surpassed a hundred thousand in the country collectively. So we're getting 100,000 cases daily in the country.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And so eventually, Thanksgiving is cancelled.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: And people can't go anywhere. You're not allowed to have Thanksgiving. It's canceled. No more. Thanksgiving is legal. But nobody listens and goes and gathers anyways in mass. Many, many, many, many, many people gather in mass. And slowly but surely, s*** gets out of hand and we close the month. With Trump continuing to reject the election results, of course, unendingly, and just claiming it's all fraud. And November closes with a count of 62 million infections global.

Cristina: That's. How much more than 45 is that getting?

Jack: We're getting close to doubling up. All right, this is one. It's plus one half. So we're over 25% now. Now we're doing plus half. Yeah. So we're. That. That's entirely due that jump. That's Thanksgiving right there.

Cristina: That's Thanksgiving.

Jack: People are f****** idiots.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then finally, we hit December, where things get kind of weird. So, December 9, in his bid to overturn the election, the. A bunch of documents and crap are rushed over to the Supreme Court to try to overthrow the decision of the voting and whatever. But it's all rejected. Some of it justly, some of it unjustly. Ironically enough, at some point, they literally stop looking at the cases coming in. And I'm sorry, but it's your job.

Cristina: To look at that.

Jack: To look at the cases coming in.

Cristina: That's your only job.

Jack: That's your only job. You supposed to look at cases. Now you're starting to look crooked because you're just preemptively deciding it's a lie. And look, it doesn't matter if a million of them were. If the millionth and one is true.

Cristina: We need to know.

Jack: We need to know. So you better be looking at all these f****** cases, not deciding. I'm tired of looking at these cases.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He could propose a billion of them, and you look through every single f****** one. That's why you're there. You're not gonna do your job then leave your f****** post and let somebody who's gonna go do it be there because you're clearly not getting the point.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's problematic in this time. Videos of people taking ballots from under tables showed up. Some of them were disproved, some of them were proved. Some of them were disproved as fraudulent because the containers were right. They were just under a table, and they keep them stored. But the behavior that surrounded the circumstance was particularly weird, in which everybody was told to. They were done, and then these people brought more ballots without supervision and continued to do everything. Now, in the video that shows this particular incident, you see the containers, right? The way they're counting looks right. Everything seems to be right, with the exception that only three people were left in the building, and the reporters and the vote and the poll watchers were all gone. They thought counting was over because the people said, we're not gonna count anymore. You could stay, but we're not gonna count. And everybody left. And then they kept counting without supervision. Now, on camera, we can't see them screening these themselves, but there's nothing really stopping us from missing how they're doing it effectively in front of a camera. That's really weird that they would continue to count after all supervision is gone.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's a very strange thing. That is one of I believe three identical videos of the sort. Most of the accused frauds are irrational things that a normal person can just debunk themselves. Including the one that there were a lot of ballots kept or lost by the post office. Which is stupid because if that was the case, over 80% of all ballot votes were for Biden because he told people to vote by ballot and Trump told his not to. So if there were votes missing, which I don't believe that there was a giant landslide difference between their voting count. You're telling me that Biden won by more. If they were missing. That doesn't really fit. I do think it was way closer. If there was fraud, it wasn't significant enough to make change. And if there was, it would be in favor of Biden. Which is weird argument to have.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That the fraud, the poster service failed us inside. You mean the people who were bringing in the left votes. What a weird argument to have.

Cristina: You need an argument though.

Jack: You need an argument. I guess it doesn't work though. It's very, very not thought out. Not to say I do believe there's fraud. There's always fraud. There's never not fraud in an election. But that fraud isn't this crazy thing that they think it's. If there's fraud, it's way more intricate and the normal person wouldn't understand how complicated the systems that led to successfully committing fraud are. That's why the mass who are pretending they have the capacity to understand what informed individuals who strategically planned in privacy how to execute fraudulent tasks in secrecy legally so that it's all through the books except getting caught. That's the only time it becomes illegal. So it's all by the books. You're not supposed to understand. If you believe you understand. You bought into a conspiracy theory. There is no exception to that rule. You bought into a conspiracy theory. There is fraud. No question. And I'm sure because of how bad the system hates Trump.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That there is strategic.

Cristina: They're just the tide of him.

Jack: Yeah. I'm so sure it was planned to get him out. I'm also sure it was done by means that would be too complicated. If it was illegal. It's too complicated for you to understand how it's illegal.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Whatever you think you figured out is a lie. You're an idiot. You just believe in some bullshit. And if it wasn't done illegally, it was orchestrated legally with the help of many people, many lobbyists, many people with money and Deepak as trying to get a madman losing the money out of office.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So regardless, I'm on the side of that didn't happen. It wasn't legal by any means. I do believe illegal fraud happened, but it's not what other people think happened. Would Trump have won? I'm not sure. I feel like he's created and he's generated enough hate.

Cristina: It's really hard to tell that.

Jack: Yeah, I think it would have been close anyways. I don't think there's a landslide in Biden's favor. I don't think that's right. I think it was pretty close. But whatever people think is the fraud your fault, if it could stay on the Internet, clearly it wasn't well executed. You're just falling down rabbit holes. That's all it is. And if you're falling down rabbit holes, I highly recommend you educate yourself because you are not the most informed individual. It is important to get factual information.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And in December 14, finally, the electoral College, which are the most corrupt part of the entire election process because. Corruption, period. Their concept is corrupt. They finally choose Joe Biden as president. They affirm he is the president elect for a fact.

Cristina: That's the end of that until. What is it the end of June or something? Is it next up?

Jack: No, it's January.

Cristina: Oh, January.

Jack: January 20th.

Cristina: 20Th. Okay. And then in December, what everyone's been waiting for aliens. That's what everyone before December came predicted. It would be aliens. And it was aliens. We're told that aliens are real.

Jack: Aliens are real. And they have been real.

Cristina: They have been real. And it was from a former Israel space security chief called Haim Eshed. I think that's how you pronounce it. He said that the Galactic Federation has been waiting for us to reach the stage where we will understand what space and spaceships are, which I feel like we're there, but whatever. They're still waiting. But they don't think we're ready for them. Not yet. So there must be something about spaceship technology that we haven't figured out. I guess we can't maybe warp speed.

Jack: No, man. We can't even, like, reach our moon quickly. Yeah. Definitely has to be some speed threshold because we're just not just bound to our planet, but we're so bound to our planet, it's theoretical, that we can get to Mars. That's a planet over. We haven't figured it out.

Cristina: It's theoretical. Figured it figured out. Then maybe they'll be like, hey, we're.

Jack: Here, I think, truly exploring Our star system is where they show up, which is nowhere near. I think that's the moment that they show themselves, when we have the ability to easily traverse space. And not like it's taking us mad years to cross space, but, like, we can. Hey, I'm going on vacation for the weekend. I'm headed to Mars.

Cristina: That would be awesome. Well, the aliens are curious about us and are seeking to understand the fabric of the universe. The aliens are scientists. I guess that's.

Jack: That's the only way that would happen.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. Also, they have an underground base in Mars where American astronauts and aliens are hanging out.

Jack: So we've already been to Mars.

Cristina: Yep. I guess we. Yes. So there's some other space technology that we haven't figured out since we're already in Mars. I guess.

Jack: See, I was on board with this guy, and then you say that part, and I'm like.

Cristina: Why would this guy say that?

Jack: He ruined it. He ruined the illusion.

Cristina: Well, the U.S. government and the aliens signed a contract so that they could do experiments here. So I guess they agree with the aliens abducting us and all those stories.

Jack: I mean, I doubt they're abducting us.

Cristina: And also, President Donald Trump knows about it, and he's been. He's been wanting to let us know, but has been asked not to do it, not to tell us because of mass hysteria. And I guess that's good enough for him. He's like, yeah, I won't.

Jack: I'm super sure he doesn't know, because that's the biggest lie. If he knew, we'd all know.

Cristina: He'd be hinting to it.

Jack: He wouldn't even be hinting to it. He would flat out just tell us, Adam. Sheer amazement.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He would be like, holy f***, people. Aliens.

Cristina: Yep. I'm the best president. I let you know. Aliens.

Jack: You wouldn't have gotten this from Obama.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. And that's pretty much it. That we know about the aliens. It's just that they're waiting for us to learn about space and spaceships, even though we have the technology to be on Mars already and have a space station there already. I guess.

Jack: Yeah, apparently.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: And people trolling, decided it would be funny to put monoliths everywhere, everywhere and make them disappear.

Cristina: Monoliths all over the place.

Jack: Put in, people, find them, take them down. Then people like, whoa, where to go, bro?

Cristina: Yeah. And they thought that was aliens, but no way. I saw one that was made out of gingerbread.

Jack: That's fantastic. And the same one that came from one place showed up in the other was identical. Yeah, and then they found out, oh, we can remove it.

Cristina: We are the aliens.

Jack: We are the aliens. We're being trolled by an artist. I forgot the artist's name. But yeah, it was an artist Rendi, not a rendition. It was just a performance art thing. And so also in December, vaccines, the quickest round of vaccine development in history has taken place because rich people are scared to die. So they funded anything I'm promising you. Not only is it already likely that we have the cure to AIDS and cancer and like dying, but like if we don't, rich people can fund the f*** out of it and like get it done overnight. Like realistically, it would be a breeze. There's just no motivation. Yeah, you need cancer because you make money off of the medication for cancer. But if a plague of cancer was ravaging that couldn't be cured and it's exclusively killing rich people, tomorrow you'd have the solution to that problem. Tomorrow it would be done tomorrow.

Cristina: And then we saw a bunch of videos of doctors who were getting the vaccine but weren't really getting.

Jack: Oh yeah, the vaccine was already approved and people were taking it on TV to promote that it's healthy and safe. And the doctors that made the vaccine weren't really getting it. Those needles weren't piercing their skin or anything.

Cristina: Yep. Suspicious.

Jack: Very.

Cristina: What is it?

Jack: Very, very. That includes the doctors that made it and Nancy Pelosi.

Cristina: What? How dare she.

Jack: Who also faked getting a f****** vaccine. Additionally, Christmas was cancelled and as a result everybody went to their families houses anyways and prepare for this next explosive wave.

Cristina: Also Santa Claus, they, they let everyone know that Santa Claus doesn't have to worry about COVID because he's immune. Oh yeah, he's immune to Covid.

Jack: Yeah, because he's the God of the elves or something. Is that what he is? He's the God of the elves, Right? Some s*** like that. Yeah. So that's pretty much the year we end December with a total of 80 million global cases. So that's fun.

Cristina: That's fun.

Jack: It's always exciting ending the year on a high note. Get it? High note. But yeah. Quick summary out of. Due to climate change, there were 41 total disasters around the world. Around the world. Of which 8, 18 were in the US. This includes wildfires, hurricanes, typhoons. Five storms made landfall in Louisiana this hurricane season. Yep.

Cristina: Breaking the state record for the most strikes in a single season.

Jack: Yes, there were 30 main storms and.

Cristina: Three of the four fires in California were the biggest they ever Had.

Jack: Yep. And pollution decline in major cities. But it was short lived because eventually we got bored and came back up.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. It didn't really matter. The driving less and flying less helped a little for a little while, but.

Jack: But it is what it is. That's how we. That was. That was 2020. That was we. And we're all still here. The work. The world didn't end.

Cristina: It got better. The future's now. We have space travel, a base in Mars.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Last episode you said we do we already go to Mars actually. So this makes sense. That guy was telling the truth.

Jack: Yeah, I guess he was always right. Yeah, he was just revealing secrets that he shouldn't have revealed at that time. And now he's gonna get Epstein'd by other people. But that's cool.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because he's talking. He's talking too much. They know he can't be trusted. Yeah. That's a 2020 right there for you.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: An exciting year.

Cristina: See what 2021 brings.

Jack: That being said, things that didn't even get mentioned on list is the fact that police were in fact removed en masse from New York City. Eventually that led to a mass spike in crime. And a couple of other cities also tried the same thing. Crime rates over the roof, specifically gun related assaults and murders skyrocketed. We had many civil wars all over the country.

Cristina: We destroyed statues.

Jack: Yes. We knocked down statues in the name of civil rights, which was just the government's way to distract us from the fact that there were civil rights problems happening. And by redirecting everybody's focus towards the statues. People feel like they accomplish things if they agree to remove statues and don't really have to change the police forces. Which seems to be exactly what's happening now that after the statues became the focus, Police department stopped being disbanded.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So pretty much more of the same in that angle. Companies all lined with somebody left or right. Somebody picked the side, whatever. Everybody flocked like crazy to. What the f*** is it called? The Parlor. To the Parlor app. Because Twitter and Facebook are shills.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, pretty much. 2020.

Cristina: 2020.

Jack: So yeah, this was the review. The just conversation. Rambling review.

Cristina: Yes. So Happy New Year's. Although I said it last episode, so I can't say it now.

Jack: I like how that sounds. Rambling review. That was the rambling review of 2020.

Cristina: Yes. That's how we start off the year.

Jack: Yeah. That's how. That's how we got here, man. That was just the history of how the we got here.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Anyways, I Hope you guys made it with us. I hope you guys are here with us, alive and good and well. If you want to hear the first part of this episode or any other episodes where we can talk conspiracies of COVID and government, you can find the show on the official website@greythoughts.info or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and anywhere else you get your podcast.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok @JustConvopod.

Jack: Yes, and remember to subscribe and rate the show. And if you feel so inclined, review.

Cristina: It and let someone who might like the show know about it.

Jack: Yes, word of mouth. Very powerful. Tell people. Did you forget what happened this year? Was this year very boring to you? Very tame, mellow and repetitive. Did you miss most of the other things? Is that rock you were under way too heavy for you to look out of? Under. Well, here's a show for you. And then you show them this episode.

Cristina: In the first part, you tell them all through telepathy, which is now a thing.

Jack: Which is now a thing. You don't have to go there in person. You just send them a message. We're in the year 2021. We're so in the future. What?

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening. By who do I think is stronger than Shaggy? What's his name?

Jack: Who? God?

Cristina: No. No. Not even Goku? Not Goku.

Jack: Superman?

Cristina: Chuck Norris.

Jack: You think Chuck Norris could be f****** Shaggy?

Cristina: Shaggy for sure.

Jack: Of all people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: He can do anything.

Jack: So can Shaggy, who's only using 1% of his power all times relative to anybody.

Cristina: We've never seen him do anything besides beat people up. I've never heard about any stories of him making things or any type of godlike powers that Sheik Norris has.

Jack: Here's the thing. Shaggy could beat up somebody like Chuck Norris using only 1% of his power.

Cristina: That's all he has because he hasn't.

Jack: Used the other 99 of his power. That's what you're missing here. With 1%, he can take down gods. Yeah, what does 2% look like? But he doesn't, because he doesn't need to. He could already beat God, and he could beat the. Beat Goku, and he could beat Chuck Norris.

Cristina: But Chuck Norris can do anything.

Jack: So can Dr. Manhattan and Dr. Manhattan get smacked down by Shaggy?

Cristina: Yes. But no. Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor, and Published by GreatThoughts.in Fox, art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

January 02, 2021

Rambling 114: 2020 Apocalypse Review pt 1

January 02, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

Just conversation, Podcast, Review, 2020 Review, New Year, Special, Police Brutality, Corruption, Election Fraud

What the hell happened in 2020? Well we do a recap of the events and where we went wrong!

The duo decides to dust off ancient books of the year 2020 and discover what the elders of that era were doing in their younger days and how they were dealing with the events. Going month by month and event by event, our two heroes revisit the highlights of this time before the flying cars and immortality were a thing.

(This episode contains a transcript to make it accessible to Deaf and Hard of Hearing Audiences #DeafPodcast)

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Bushfires
World War III
The Who
Umbrella Corp.
Trump is the Best
Toilet Paper Crisis
Global Lockdown
Aliens Confirmed
Murder Hornets

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Nick: Hi, my name is Nick.

Jack: I'm Brandon.

Nick: We are the hosts of the tennis podcast where every week we cover a different top 10 ish list. We cover lists such as the highest grossing films of all time, the best selling musicians of all time, the the.

Jack: Sexiest mogwais, the richest leprechauns, the all.

Nick: This and more we cover on the tennis podcast.

Jack: I had more.

Nick: You can find us on all podcast players including Apple podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher. All you gotta do is search for 10ish podcast. You can also find us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram. And Brandon, what will we do if the listeners don't check out our podcast?

Jack: Well, cut your head off.

Nick: Don't make us cut your head off. Listen to the tennis podcast.

Jack: Bye.

Christina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Christina: What does live mean?

Jack: Huh? Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I am your host, Jack.

Christina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Christina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss. Discuss.

Jack: Yes. So be sure to ask somebody nicely to listen to the show, please.

Christina: Really?

Jack: Yeah.

Jack: Totally.

Christina: For this episode.

Jack: For this episode.

Christina: What if they already did everything you told them to do in the last episode and now they're like, what?

Jack: Well, they.

Christina: How was that work?

Jack: No, they already got the work done. If they already listened and did it once and they got somebody to listen to the show.

Christina: But they assume like this episode would start the same though, and they would have prepared the same way.

Jack: Do you think they're just going out and doing this every episode?

Christina: Yes. After you said you gotta do it or else your memories erase. Actually, your memories always erase.

Jack: That's the craziest part.

Christina: I'm not really sure what their punishment was. Or. You kill their child.

Jack: Yeah. Their children are in danger and they gotta pay tax.

Christina: Yeah. In this episode, they did it for nothing.

Jack: No, this is a new, fresh year. What are you talking about?

Christina: Oh, okay.

Jack: This is different. We changed individuals. The only instance something bad would happen is if they don't ask somebody nicely, in which case their children are still in danger. And even if they're listening, it's outside of our power, they're gonna lose their memory. So all of that is sort of out of our control and they're still gonna get taxed.

Christina: Where does the memory loss. Where does that come from?

Jack: There's subliminal messaging in every episode.

Christina: Oh, okay, so the episodes. Doing it to them.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. We have our engineers encoded into the background.

Christina: Why do we do that?

Jack: To erase their memories.

Christina: Why?

Jack: Because we're like that.

Christina: We're like that. Okay?

Jack: That's who we are as people.

Christina: Yes. That's how we are.

Jack: Yeah.

Christina: Anyways, Happy New Year.

Jack: Happy New Year.

Christina: It's not too late to say that. Like, how long after New Year is it? Like, stop saying Happy New Year.

Jack: I don't know.

Christina: Is it like the first time you see a person through the year? That time is the time you say it and then after that, no more.

Jack: It's a new year. Yeah, I guess.

Christina: But you just say it once and that's it.

Jack: Yeah, I don't.

Christina: You don't have to greet each other until the end of January or something.

Jack: Look, you say Happy new year until December 31st, and then there's a new year.

Christina: No, that's too much. At a point, you gotta stop. I think just say one time.

Jack: Says who? Who? Where's.

Christina: You just say one time.

Jack: Where's it written down? Point, point at the rule.

Christina: Right there. Right where I'm pointing.

Jack: That's not the rule.

Christina: Yes, it is.

Jack: I can see what you're saying. It's not that.

Christina: It's that.

Jack: That's a bottle.

Christina: It's the rule. You can't prove it's a bottle.

Jack: You can't prove it's the rule. Based on that same logic.

Christina: Well, the listeners will have to just believe me.

Jack: Fair enough.

Christina: I'm pointing out the rules anyways.

Jack: So, yeah, the. It's 2021. We're in the future. We have flying cars, flying skateboards. Our sneakers fly. So I don't know. I would need any of those other two options. There's tubes that teleport us immediately where we need to be.

Christina: Who uses those tubes?

Jack: We've been living on Mars for the past. How many days has it been since New Year's? For like three days. We got colonies set up.

Christina: We have for the tubes. I don't get it.

Jack: I don't get it.

Christina: And also, if you're going through the tubes, when you go to the end, are you upside down?

Jack: That's an interesting question. Right?

Christina: Yeah. How does that work?

Jack: I mean, I guess it would have to be like a tube that then loops up and then drops you down.

Christina: Oh, okay. Just. I never got that. But okay.

Jack: I don't understand either, because they get sucked in straight up. But Then they land straight up, which is like somewhere something sketchy happened.

Christina: Yes. I don't know. They were murdered. That's a clone.

Jack: Could be. So 2020.

Christina: Yes.

Jack: We're on the moon. We're on Mars. We have a Dyson sphere around the sun.

Christina: Wait, you're talking about 2020.

Jack: 2021.

Christina: Oh, 2021. Okay.

Jack: 2010 just happened and we proved there's no God. What other achievements have happened this year? Things that have totally opposite from 2020, where the first f****** four days we dropped a bomb on somebody. But outside the point.

Christina: That was in December. In January.

Jack: January, man. That was January 4th or 3rd.

Christina: What?

Jack: Something like that.

Christina: Oh, I forgot about that.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Trump was like, I ain't starting this year on no easy route. He was the. The foreshadowing about the year ago. And so totally counter to that. We've cured cancer, all of them. Cured diabetes, we cured obesity.

Christina: All of this happened in the first.

Jack: Week, a couple of days. Days or some s***. Yeah. So all of this has happened since then. We've found the cure to death. We no longer die.

Christina: No longer die.

Jack: The breakthrough for telepathy happened yesterday. I believe so. Yeah. The year's going really good. Way better. Yes, way better.

Christina: What was your favorite part of last year, though? It was a really great year. I don't know what you're talking about.

Jack: It wasn't a bad year. I didn't say it was a bad year.

Christina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I said it's just opposite. Last year it was more about tearing things down. This year is about building things up.

Christina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Science last year was like flat earth and conspiracy theories. This year, science, nothing but science.

Christina: This year was about conspiracy theories. It was a very conspiracy theory heavy year.

Jack: It was. It was. Anyways, I figured we could catch up on all the things that happened since January.

Christina: Oh, since January. January.

Jack: So that's what this episode is. This is a recap of the amazing. This is a 2020 recap.

Christina: If you forgot anything that happened last year or you just. There's so much things that happened, you probably don't know every single thing that happened.

Jack: Look, she might be trying to be nice about it, but in reality, if you're blackout drunk or a guy who was just strung out straight through 2020, because, f***, this year we're gonna tell you all the things you missed because you were in some sort of black cloud of nothingness.

Christina: Yes. We're here to help you out.

Jack: Yeah. Exactly how it's gonna happen. So. So let us begin by going way to the beginning. First There was nothing.

Christina: No, no. Well, what I remember. I would like to start before January, actually, because.

Jack: Before the first day.

Christina: Yes, before the first day. Because in December, something was happening in China and we didn't know what it was. And now we know, of course, but that started in December of 2019, which we were just like, there's something going on. What is it? Who knows? Mystery.

Jack: Yeah.

Christina: And then it became the.

Jack: Some people got sick here, some people got sick over there. Oh, people getting really sick. It's spreading like wildfire.

Christina: It spread. And then in January, I guess now we can go to January.

Jack: Yes, in January, global cases of this mysterious virus have gone up to 9,000, 906.

Christina: And it was all in China. No, I don't know.

Jack: Maybe. I don't know. It was probably some here and there, but it was predominantly in China. So, yeah, 9,906 cases. So let's start. So we've got viruses somewhere out in the world, but elsewhere in the world, away from the viruses. Australia is on fire.

Christina: Yes. It's having its worst fire ever. Ever, ever.

Jack: The continent's on fire.

Christina: The continent? Yes. It's so crazy that New Zealand could see the smoke from the fire.

Jack: Yeah. The amount of area taken up is about the size of South Korea. No bullshit.

Christina: Of the fires.

Jack: The fire.

Christina: Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

Jack: The amount of fire covers an area the size of South Korea.

Christina: Whoa. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. That's huge. That is huge. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. Roughly 25 million acres burned.

Christina: No, it's not.

Jack: 25 million acres on fire. And at least 33 people died. Exciting way to start this f****** year. Yeah, fantastic. Including at least three firefighters were dead there, too.

Christina: Yes. And the smoke of the fire was a problem. Besides the actual fire, the smoke, it was just really bad. The pollution of the air. Pollution.

Jack: Yeah. It's f***** up the planet to great new heights, not just locally, but like the planet.

Christina: The planet.

Jack: The planet. Yeah. Maybe around 3,000 homes have been lost. And the smoke was definitely like the big centerpiece there because it got seen everywhere and it's still lingering up there.

Christina: Still lingering.

Jack: Yeah. That s*** is in the sky. Then it got contagious later because of this. Australia recorded the worst pollution it's ever.

Christina: Seen, 23 times higher than what's considered hazardous. So it was really dangerous. It's still really dangerous. Are they still there? They're not there anymore. Right. We got a new Australia. Yes. We destroyed that land and built a new land over it.

Jack: No, they were still areas to live in. Like, the whole place isn't Gone.

Christina: Yeah.

Jack: Australia outsizes South Korea, which is why it's weird that it's an island. It's a continent island.

Christina: It's a continent island.

Jack: It's a continent country island.

Christina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah. Australia is a unique place with unique.

Christina: Animals that we gotta save. We gotta go over there and save the animals. There's so many unique animals in Australia.

Jack: There's too many unique animals on the planet in general.

Christina: Australia. They only come from Australia. Once they're gone, they're gone.

Jack: So.

Christina: But they're so unique.

Jack: So.

Christina: Knuckles. We'll lose Knuckles. You want him to die?

Jack: I don't care. Look, here's the thing. The universe is making choices. Who are we to stop it? To stop it.

Christina: What about that weird platypus thing?

Jack: F*** that platypus thing. There's like, a furry duck mammal thing.

Christina: It's a mammal that thinks it's a bird. Yes. But it's so awesome. I don't want to lose those animals.

Jack: Yeah. I don't. I don't know. It's like, there's too many animals. What? Val, who cares? We save these animals, but then we ignore those. Or we have to kill those to save the environment anyways. Like, what the. How are we trading this off? We decide we got to save the Australian animals because. Trees on fire. But then over here, we're like, we gotta set these trees on fire because it's gonna kill the animals.

Christina: We're setting the trees on fire?

Jack: Well, you set the trees on fire to prevent bigger fires from happening in the future by controlling where the fire can happen and thus saving the E ecosystem.

Christina: But we can't do that. We're bad at it. Is that what we have?

Jack: Point being, we save these animals, but then we destroy those trees. Okay, maybe the trees are just making choices.

Christina: Yes.

Jack: Or not even the trees. Just.

Christina: Nature is saying goodbye to Australia. Or at least a big chunk of it.

Jack: Yeah. It doesn't. The universe makes choices we're not allowed to question. Universal choices. Australia declares a state of disaster after the death of over 500 million animals.

Christina: That's so crazy.

Jack: That's f****** nuts.

Christina: That's crazy. Exactly. Exactly.

Jack: Yeah. It's pretty excessive. The amount of death, like, incalculable. And we're not even considering the amount of insects that lived in there.

Christina: Oh, my gosh. If we count the insects. Whoa. That's too much. That's a lot of death.

Jack: No, no, it's excessive. 25,000 koalas are dead. The koalas are dying.

Christina: The koala does. Yeah. 30% of their home is wiped out thanks to the fire. What are we gonna do with them? The ones that they can't go back home because their home is gone?

Jack: We're gonna eat them.

Christina: We keep them as pets.

Jack: Yeah.

Christina: No, I think that's a bad idea. Take them to the zoos. No.

Jack: Smoothing along in January, the lovely President of the United States had a drone strike on a foreign military leader. That was an exciting introduction to the year. Not only were we rolling over from this Australia fire of the previous year, but we're like, this year didn't start on fire enough. Let's get some fireworks going.

Christina: Yes.

Jack: And we drop the bomb that the f****** drone strike kills an Iranian general, Qasem Soleimani. That's when we drop the. So we dropped the drone on Soleimani, man.

Christina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. S*** got out of hand. There was definitely the potential for a war with the US both on their territories and on our territories, which is weird. Immediately at the beginning of the year, the potential for war just opened up.

Christina: And that reminds me, wasn't in December the Korean thing happening? Was that. Not this December? I don't remember. Oh, man. That Korea. We weren't sure if they were gonna bomb us because he made us some weird message about, like, you were gonna give you guys a gift or something. And we were thinking he was gonna, like, some horrible thing was going to happen.

Jack: Oh, yeah. Like a nuke or something.

Christina: Yeah. I'm not sure if that was this December, though. It was eight. December, for sure.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. It might have been this past. Not 2020, but like 2019. December.

Christina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Because I wasn't for this year.

Christina: It wasn't. Okay.

Jack: No, that was for last year, I believe.

Christina: All right, Sorry.

Jack: Whatever. F******.

Christina: That was another.

Jack: It was 29.

Christina: We're going to be in war.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That happened usually. Then around January 9th, the WHO announces this mysterious coronavirus pneumon in Wuhan, China.

Christina: The beginning.

Jack: So there were already signs of something weird happening. But now the who got involved. The band. The who is now involved. S*** is serious.

Christina: That's how we know.

Jack: That's how we know. Once the. Once the who stops making music and gets involved, are they still alive?

Christina: That's an old band, isn't it?

Jack: It's very old.

Christina: Okay. So they came back from the grave.

Jack: Now, in the time that this s*** happens and it gets announced, people start to f****** panic and we start so dumb. Oh, my God, we're idiots. Because as the panic begins, we start pulling out everybody who we have. All Americans, rather come back Home.

Christina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's like, hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up.

Christina: Let them stay there for two weeks.

Jack: Yeah, abandon them. Let them stay there. You're pulling them out of a zone that has a plague running around. Yeah, maybe, Maybe, just maybe, just let them there. You just leave them there?

Christina: Yeah. Didn't we do that with the people on boats, on the cruise ships? We just, like. Okay, we thought about it mad late.

Jack: We thought about it mad late. That solution came mad late. Oh, when it's like, you brought the plague over, why didn't you just f****** cut it off?

Christina: I don't know. What was the point?

Jack: That's really how it spread. Yes, that's really how it spread. But here's what's funny. A bunch of people who did not get tested for having it or whatever were like, man, I must have had it back then. I heard that so many times. Like, people who thought they had it earlier than what happened or whatever.

Christina: Yeah. And you believe them?

Jack: No.

Christina: Okay.

Jack: I think it's possible, I guess, but what are the odds there weren't, like, a lot of people with it. You didn't just happen to have it, but it's these people who are, like, hypochondriacs, essentially.

Christina: Yeah.

Jack: F****** crazy, but. Yeah. I don't know why the f*** we were pulling people out. Just f****** close that b**** down and leave them in there.

Christina: Leave them there. Look, that would have been a great solution.

Jack: Sucks. But they're the guinea pigs at this point. You're gonna find out how bad it is.

Christina: Yes.

Jack: Are they gonna die?

Christina: Especially when a lot of countries don't even trust China and their news and stuff. Why not just keep your people there and just, you know, check on them and make sure that everything's.

Jack: Or. When they brought them up, why'd you bring them into the country and let them go? You should have, like, rented out a boat and put them on there. Yeah, right at the beginning. Keep them quarantined. You don't want them over there. We'll trap them over here, but. Trap them somewhere?

Christina: Yes.

Jack: That's f****** nuts.

Christina: Crazy.

Jack: So, yeah, that happens for the next couple of weeks.

Christina: Mm.

Jack: And then on the 21st, obviously, the CDC confirms the first US coronavirus cases. I mean, like, no s***. Yeah, maybe. Maybe you don't let people leave China when China's overrun by a deadly plague.

Christina: No one knew that it was so deadly. Or they did. I don't know. Whatever.

Jack: Weren't the hospitals over there right at the start?

Christina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: Then Also on the 21st, Chinese scientist confirms COVID 19 human transmission.

Christina: Now we know about the monkey virus. Or was it a bat virus? Bat virus?

Jack: Bat soup virus. That's where that conspiracy starts. Because people got to be sketchy and make s*** up. And it came from a restaurant where bat soup was happening. And I don't know where the f*** that rumor got started.

Christina: You.

Jack: I definitely started that rumor.

Christina: Yes. And what was that other rumor? It came from that Resident Evil place.

Jack: Umbrellas, which I also started. It came from the. I started both of those.

Christina: Umbrella Corporation.

Jack: Yes. Well, that one might be true. It's not called the Umbrella Corporation, but it gets started in some lab or something. Yeah, that's the weird part. Like, there's. They're thinking it leaped through animals, but it was. Something was being tested on that kind of caused it. And not like we're gonna. I mean, we don't know the motivations behind them. They could have been like, we're gonna f****** destroy the world. But, like, it's unlikely. But, like, I'm not saying it didn't happen. I just don't know that it did.

Christina: There's many possibilities.

Jack: Many possibilities. And two days later, Wuhan, now under quarantine. This is where Hong Kong closed its borders to the rest of China and s*** everywhere. Wasn't allowing travel. Wuhan was on total lockdown. Everybody was trapped in their houses. I remember they were spraying down their roads and cleaning them in hazmat suits or sidewalks or buildings, everything.

Christina: And people weren't allowed out. And they need a passport. Not. What's it called? Pass.

Jack: Yeah, they needed a pass to go outside.

Christina: Yeah, they needed passes to go outside. What?

Jack: F****** nuts.

Christina: Mm.

Jack: All that s*** was cray cray.

Christina: That was cray cray. Then in January 31st, WHO issues global health emergency. So it's not a pandemic yet.

Jack: No, no. That happens much later down the line, but with the worldwide death toll becomes.

Christina: A health emergency because it's spreading fast.

Jack: And also that's around the same time that Trump got impeached for making a perfect phone call.

Christina: Yes. That was his tweet. I got. Well, I just got impeached for making a perfect phone call. Trump has the best words.

Jack: He has the best words. Let's be real. He has an army of followers.

Christina: Yeah.

Jack: And not to say that the left or right, because they're also a bunch of morons, but the bull. The right is blind. Like, both sides are pretty heavily brainwashed, except the left requires an army of people working tactically together to brainwash them. Trump seems to do what they do. Single handedly to both sides, I guess. Yeah, sort of.

Christina: Yeah.

Jack: He portrays whatever image he wants and gets what he wants.

Christina: Yep.

Jack: So Trump effectively manipulates all the idiots on both sides.

Christina: And I'm sure that phone call was perfect. A perfect phone call. Only he could have a perfect phone call.

Jack: I swear that phone call was a tactical masterpiece in order to throw people off of something crazier he was doing.

Christina: Ooh, it was.

Jack: He's too slick. He's too slick. He is one of the smartest individuals to have just blessed this planet and he really is. The best part is he's not Obama, who needs to show off his intellect and prove to people I'm slicker than you are. He's okay with. Sure, it's okay. If you think I'm an idiot, I have the upper hand there. Because if you think I'm an idiot, I can always catch you off guard.

Christina: And he always does.

Jack: And he always does.

Christina: I don't know how.

Jack: The right ignores blatant facts because he says so. And he's tricked them many, many times. The left will ignore blatant facts just because he says so. They. They get sucked into vortexes of his thoughts. He does have the perfect words. He destroys the psyche of dumb people.

Christina: Yes.

Jack: He said idiots will vote for me and idiots voted for him. He said, these morons on the left are gonna freak the f*** out when I do this. And they did f****** freak out. They're all idiots. Both sides are so stupid. They don't realize that Trump isn't what he says he is. He's what he secretly is and lies to you about an image that you're gonna follow. He knows who's gonna do what.

Christina: It works for him.

Jack: It works for him very well. And so he has an army of followers and haters, all based on his chosen perception.

Christina: And that was the end of January.

Jack: Yeah, beautiful. End of January, it was the we're still in light time, light light mode. Very simple, easy.

Christina: I don't know. Those are pretty crazy situations.

Jack: But no, that was tame s*** compared.

Christina: To what comes next.

Jack: That was all tame s***. Yeah. Cuz next comes February. So we finished almost at 10,000 cases on January. Come February, by the end of February, we have about 85,000 cases.

Christina: Crazy jump.

Jack: That's a crazy jump. To contain the coronavirus outbreak, the Chinese government sealed off Wuhan, which happened at the beginning, at the end of January and banned public transportation and private cars from the streets and access to the streets. Businesses shut down. Hospitals were the only place essentially open and groceries were Essentially being delivered to people's doorsteps because they were now allowed outside of their house. Rationing.

Christina: They were really trapped.

Jack: They were locked the f*** down.

Christina: What?

Jack: Yep.

Christina: That's the beginning now. Are they all dead? Is it nothing there now?

Jack: No, there's probably fine now.

Christina: Okay.

Jack: Or they're still going through it. Who knows? Like, the world hasn't solved the problem yet, so who the h*** knows? You're starting this year, still dealing with that. But by February 2, all global air travel has been cut, which is great.

Christina: I mean, I guess it's bad for people who need to travel, but yes, great for Earth. Earth was like, I need this.

Jack: Yeah, Earth was definitely. That's the craziest part. I remember somewhere in, like March, after the lockdowns happened, that people were making those posts about just seeing animals coming out. It's like, Earth is healing itself or whatever.

Christina: Earth is healing itself. Oh, yes. I think that was a meme too.

Jack: Yeah, it was f****** everywhere.

Christina: Yeah.

Jack: And then it got it all obviously, like mediums, like spun out of control and then dumb equal.

Christina: Exactly. Yeah. It's like two. What was it? Two scooters floating out of the water. Earth is healing itself. Yeah, I don't know.

Jack: Sounds about right. Yep. Yep. But basically February is a really slow month because it's very drowned in Covid. That's pretty much all the excitement.

Christina: Covid.

Jack: Covid. By February 3, the US declared public health emergency. So, okay, we caught up to s*** that's already been going on. We don't f****** do s*** on time, I guess.

Christina: Or watching Covid on the news 247 by now. Or I feel like more on Feb. March.

Jack: Yeah, more like March or whatever. I remember tracking.

Christina: Yeah.

Jack: Every time we were here, we would always check to see what. What the progress was.

Christina: Yeah. But the rest of the people in the Illuminati office weren't really paying attention until March.

Jack: Yeah. Until we were all given the order of. Now it's serious, guys. Yeah, Time to work.

Christina: Yeah.

Jack: But by the 10th, China's COVID 19 deaths had exceeded of SARS. What? The SARS crisis.

Christina: Do you remember how much death was in the sars?

Jack: No, but this is way more than that.

Christina: Yes.

Jack: And then on February 25th, the CDC says COVID 19 is heading towards pandemic.

Christina: Status and people flipped out. Not this part.

Jack: This is the.

Christina: This is not the part yet.

Jack: They were freaking out at the. Just the anticipation that it might be called the pandemic was like, oh my God. Like, bro, whatever's happening is already happening. They're Just changing the title of it.

Christina: But the change somehow made it feel more like, oh, my gosh. Like, these cases aren't oh, my gosh. But.

Jack: Well, we finish February, like I said, with 85,000 cases, and then it jumps. And then it jumps. So that by the end of March, we're at 800,000 global cases. Ten times over.

Christina: Yes. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: So where we're. It's definitely spreading pandemic style.

Christina: Mm. Man. But the numbers are just so crazy. It's just gonna get crazier.

Jack: The leaps are monumental.

Christina: Yes.

Jack: So March.

Christina: The first lockdown.

Jack: Yes. Yes, the first lockdowns. And ahead of the possibility of those lockdowns, the first thing that happened after people heard, oh, my God, it might become a pandemic is we have to stock up on supplies for when we're locked down. And everybody had the same idea. Fair enough. Stock up on what you have. Of course, there's greedy people who were gonna take more than they needed. There's always that bunch of people who are douchebags, essentially. I got more money. I'm buying way more. And, yeah, whatever you're douchebagging, you deserve to be in by the zombies that are coming or whatever's happening. And I'm pretty sure in New Jersey, at some point, there was, like, some other plague.

Christina: Why?

Jack: There was some other s*** killing people off, but the government was suppressing. I remember that s*** specifically. I remember reading about that. That the government was suppressing some f****** other plague that was happening. Right. In New Jersey.

Christina: Yeah.

Jack: You remember that? We had this conversation about how some other sh. Like, plague was happening in Jersey.

Christina: Yeah, I remember talking about it, but I don't know, like, what happened with that?

Jack: This s*** got crazier, I guess, and it, like, over camera. Anyway, so when people were, you know, shopping, buying their things, some mass hysteria took over.

Christina: Yes.

Jack: And it led to people, instead of buying food, buying toilet paper. All of it.

Christina: All of it.

Jack: All of it, yes. Everywhere in the world. The world ran out of toilet paper.

Christina: Not really. Because they had so much.

Jack: Not really, because toilet paper are usually locally made, and toilet paper tends to be stocked in the warehouse real close by.

Christina: But they was gone.

Jack: And it was gone for, like, a week.

Christina: Yeah.

Jack: Because they would. If you come at. If you come into the supermarket. This applies to most things in a supermarket. If you empty the thing out at night, the stock deliver people show up at night and restock so that by the morning, everything is already there.

Christina: Yeah. So the horse shortage is just for the night. Yeah.

Jack: Until the close by warehouse ran out. That doesn't mean they don't have some giant other warehouse somewhere with it. Which is why it took a week after the warehouse ran dry. Because people kept hoarding it. Because it happened in a domino effect way where somebody saw somebody buying too much toilet paper and they were like, oh, s***, this probably happening. Everyone let me buy toilet paper. And so they bought toilet paper. Then some other person sees the person who originated doing it. The person who saw them doing it panicked, and then they panic, and you follow this train of thought. And then before long, everybody only buying f****** toilet paper. The zombies. And that repeatedly led to the warehouses themselves running dry. But the local warehouse, not the distribution warehouse. So the local warehouse at the end of the week would get stocked f****** anyways. And people were like, oh, the shelves are empty. We gotta get as much as we can when we see it. Which is ridiculous.

Christina: Yes. And that lasted a while.

Jack: That lasted a while. Lasted a couple of weeks before people just started putting up signs. No, you are. You take one.

Christina: Yes. There was a lot of. You take one for. Because it started with toilet paper, but then it became other things like.

Jack: Yeah, hand sanitizer.

Christina: Yeah. Loves frozen food. I saw that.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Christina: Also, if you want to know more about toilet paper, we did an episode about what, the many conspiracies of why toilet paper.

Jack: Oh, yeah.

Christina: Besides hysteria, there are other reasons.

Jack: Yeah, there's definitely way more going on there. So if you're interested on that, you could go check that out. But the shortages of toilet paper were so global, they hit all the major locations in the world, predominantly. So we're talking Hong Kong, Australia, United Kingdom, United States. Big, giant, f****** colossal places.

Christina: I'm happy it wasn't just United States. It would be embarrassing if we were the only country.

Jack: I think it started in Australia.

Christina: Really?

Jack: Yeah. I think we were the followers in this instance.

Christina: I don't know what's worse. No. I think it's a little better than if it was just us and we were the only ones.

Jack: But it feels like something very American.

Christina: Yes. Yes, it does.

Jack: It does. Feels like something only United States people know about. Anyways, on March 6, to change the tone. To change the tone of people, you know, a pandemic murdering people, because that's crazy. And people fighting each other like zombies over toilet paper and mass death happening. Will look in this other direction. At March 6, 21 passengers on a California cruise ship test positive.

Christina: I don't know how that's more positive, like, good news compared to the horrible news. You just Said you made it sound like they're positive.

Jack: 21 positive people. That's better than 21 negative people. Not really. Isn't it weird? Why don't we say negative, you're negative.

Christina: Because negative is negative. Or it feels like it's weird that.

Jack: Negative means positive and positive is negative.

Christina: I. Whatever.

Jack: You're infected, you're positive, which is a negative thing. Yes, you're negative, which is a positive thing. Yeah, that's weird.

Christina: That is weird. That's how it works.

Jack: Point being, 21 passengers in a California cruise ship test positive. Those people weren't gonna see home in a long time. They were gonna have a bad time. March 9 rolls by. Italy places 16 million people in quarantine.

Christina: They got a lot of people now.

Jack: We're getting into harsh territory, though. 16 million people in quarantine, more than a quarter of its population. In a bid to stop the COVID What? Yeah. A day later, the quarantine expands to cover the entire country. That 25% means nothing because a hundred percent goes into lockdown.

Christina: Crazy. Wow, that's crazy.

Jack: 16 million people was a quarter. So we're talking 68, 68, 64. 64 million people in quarantine. Yep.

Christina: That's even more people. Yes. We're dealing with millions.

Jack: Whole country on lockdown.

Christina: Whole country. Yep.

Jack: That's crazy. Then we have March 11th. Finally, the people who bought all the toilet paper get what they were hoarding toilet paper for. The COVID virus is titled a pandemic.

Christina: Are you sure it wasn't. It was titled a pandemic, and then people started getting toilet paper. Do you remember the order?

Jack: Yeah, it was definitely before.

Christina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah, it was definitely the anticipation. People were doing it ahead of lockdowns.

Christina: Oh, yeah. Okay. Yes. It was before lockdowns. I remember that.

Jack: Okay. Yeah, yeah. And then on the 13th, Trump declares COVID 19 a national emergency. Kind of late, buddy, but it's all right. On the same 13th, all travel from Europe stopped into the US no more. We don't want no more Europeans here.

Christina: Yes.

Jack: We're banning everybody's travel, essentially. And then California becomes the first state to issue a stay at home order, which failed.

Christina: Did it fail at the beginning?

Jack: It was fine at the beginning. It helped.

Christina: It did help.

Jack: Yes. It worked. It brought it way down and for a way long time. They were the first place to have a bunch of people. But there. A bunch was in the low, like the double digits.

Christina: Okay.

Jack: They had double. I remember following it. There was one here. There's two there. There's Three.

Christina: Yeah.

Jack: It wasn't like overnight. There's thousands.

Christina: But it's like that now.

Jack: Yeah, it's like that now. They managed to fight it off at the beginning, then they opened up and s*** hit the fan. And we discover by the 31st that COVID 19 could be transmitted through the eyes.

Christina: I'm not sure what that means.

Jack: It means that, like, you can cry.

Christina: On someone and then they get Covid.

Jack: No, we're saying that it's no longer just you covering your mouth and your nose. If there is air particles that have the virus in it and that lands on your eye, you have now contracted the COVID Oh, yes.

Christina: Do glasses help at all?

Jack: No, they'll help from the front, I guess.

Christina: Yeah.

Jack: But there's like quite a bit of opening. So I guess with glasses you have more protection than somebody without.

Christina: Yeah, like a 5% or some low.

Jack: Percentage, some added protection, but without like full gauze goggles blocking your face.

Christina: Why hasn't that become a popular thing?

Jack: I don't know. We could barely handle masks because this is America. So. Yeah, by now we have global lockdowns and hundreds of thousands of businesses go out of business and people go homeless. Schools close, airports close. Travel is globally banned. And around the same time, we have the stock market beginning to crash because nobody's driving. Oil prices drop, stock prices drop in the Dow Jones hits below low anything.

Christina: It'S ever hit in history.

Jack: In history.

Christina: Well, it's pretty crazy month.

Jack: Yeah.

Christina: S***'s starting to get real related, but it's pretty crazy.

Jack: Yes. The domino effect of COVID is crazy. The right at the beginning s*** was real.

Christina: Yes.

Jack: And people went into panic hard. A lot of people thought it was.

Christina: Like the end and somehow it's not.

Jack: It's never the end. We're f****** cockroaches.

Christina: Yes.

Jack: Nothing's gonna f****** kill us. But we end March at 800,000 to enter April. So April 27, South Korea told CNN that despite speculation Kim Jong Un, who was expected to be dead because he was ill, was actually alive. So basically, conspiracy theories.

Christina: There's so much conspiracy theories about whether he was really alive or not, because they were saying he was, but no one's seen him.

Jack: Nobody saw him for a while because he was ill. They thought he might have. The one of the things. It was the possibility the virus made it into the country, which it still hadn't because they're so f****** locked down and cut off from the rest of the world.

Christina: Yeah, I can't imagine that. But even if they did, we would.

Jack: Never know yeah, but eventually it did made it in. It did make it in.

Christina: It didn't make it.

Jack: Yeah, it made it in one way or another. I don't remember how the f***. But that's not even it, because we also start getting into sketch territory when the Pentagon releases videos that they have taken into classified files of UFOs before. They. If you remember a couple of years ago, there was one 2017, this one 2019, and one in 2006 or something. All these videos that they kept collecting, saying we were gonna find out what they are. Those are just, you know, planes.

Christina: This is the time they say, we don't know.

Jack: Yeah. They release all three of them and they're like, we don't know what any of this is. None of our enemies, none of our allies have anything we're seeing here. We can't tell you what it is. Society, it's yours. You figure it out. Yes, but people are so panicked because the virus, that s*** just disappears. Like two days later, we forgot about it. Like aliens. Yeah. Yeah, but the virus is here now. Yeah, you should have showed us this, like, last year.

Christina: But we were showed this last year. Oh, but they didn't say anything, I guess. Does that make a difference?

Jack: Yeah, we saw videos, but nobody was like, it wasn't an official government message saying, this is some crazy s***, guys.

Christina: Yes. Oh, Trump's cures. He gives us some crazy cures that month. One of the cures was disinfectant. Like maybe we could put that in our bodies.

Jack: Oh, yeah, Yummy. Bleach.

Christina: Yes.

Jack: Inject bleach right into your veins, bro. That's the solution.

Christina: And the other was using very powerful light.

Jack: Yeah, ultraviolet light. So the theory here is he is assuming that we're so advanced he has way hopes for us, that we can somehow capture photons, put enough of them together without them phasing through things for us to, I guess, theoretically inject the photons of light into our body or shine light through us to kill it, the virus. So, yeah, those are some of Trump's lovely cures. Cures.

Christina: I thought those were amazing.

Jack: So, April, another particularly tame month that took place. It was kind of like February, where March was the giant spike in chaos. February, pretty tame. January was kind of chaotic. It began strong and then kind of came down for February, went way the f*** up for March, and then we get to April and we're back to just normal year, minus the fact that the virus was spreading like f****** wildfire that whole time. But at this point, we were dealing with it for A month globally.

Christina: We're bored of it.

Jack: We're bored of it already. We're getting used to. We're like, whatever.

Christina: Mm.

Jack: And so some people get chill and start to do things they were doing before the lockdowns happen. And the virus started spreading in those little pockets where people were like, I don't give a f***. And the spread got so vicious, eventually we ended up at 3 million infections coming from the previous month's 800,000.

Christina: And what's the jump from 8,000? I mean, 800,000 to 3 million.

Jack: That's roughly, what, like, four times over?

Christina: It's. It's going up there.

Jack: It's. We're climbing some heights. We're climbing some heights. But then we enter May. And May is relatively boring through the month. It's casual boring. We're just bouncing off of. We've got crazy numbers happening, virus wise. But other than that, the month goes relatively fine. Very quiet. Everybody's scared because of the virus. We're just learning how to function with it. And then the other shoe drops. It was May 25 when a black, unarmed man was put on the ground. And with the four officers present, one of them, their knee on this man's neck, he is left to die without being able to breathe. While caught on video, the death of George Floyd, which seemed like just another black guy being killed by a white officer, another unarmed black man being killed by another white officer, abusing power. But there were a couple of things that made this situation different than the others.

Christina: What was that?

Jack: We had three cops, aside from the guy who was leaning on him, visible. They were all present, doing absolutely nothing, saying nothing, while a man is saying he's dying. Other times, you have cops on top of the person, handcuffing them, putting them. No, this guy wasn't even being handcuffed. He was just being held on the ground.

Christina: He was just being murdered.

Jack: He was just being murdered. There was nothing else happening. It was being recorded from several different angles, so it could not be disputed. And the view of the victim was clear. It wasn't hard to see. They could just zoom in on the phone. The shot was perfect. And you can see a man die slowly. Very, very slowly, unarmed, for no reason.

Christina: But that was the last straw for.

Jack: But that was the straw that broke the camel's f****** back, bro. Yes, it piled on for the last 200 years.

Christina: That was it.

Jack: And that was the one that was like, one too many. Come the very next day, May 26, Minneapolis is stormed by so many g****** protesters. People were coming from Other states to protest.

Christina: Wow.

Jack: Minneapolis became crazy. It became the largest protesting site ever. Streets were flooded, hundreds of Thousands of people. May 27th. Contagious. Not only are we dealing with a contagious virus that seems to have gone on break towards the end of f****** May for whatever reason, but nationwide police brutality protests. Cities all over the country began to protest because of the same s*** that keeps happening.

Christina: And then the police solved these problems.

Jack: Yes.

Christina: By assaulting protesters 100%.

Jack: The police solved their police brutality problem or attempted to do so with police brutality. You guys think we're being vicious. We're gonna beat you with sticks, shoot you with rubber bullets, hit you with tear gas, and push you forcefully out of where we deem our control territory.

Christina: They proved them.

Jack: They proved the protesters wrong. This is America. But that didn't go too well. That solution to peaceful protesting where we're gonna basically assault you guys for exercising your right to protest, which is an amendment right. So they're basically having their amendments violated by having people, police officers, assault them. Come the 28th, those protests evolved into riots. Minneapolis is now classified a hostile territory because there is a literal war happening between protesters, of which some picked up arms and police officers. Now we have a country that's teetering on the brink of collapse.

Christina: Mm. This is just the last four days of May.

Jack: Yeah. This is. We're just still f****** ending this month now following this. Because we couldn't just end with the country on the verge of collapse over race war and the death. The increasing death based on a virus that's sweeping the country. But. But right around this time, Japan decided we're gonna release the Murder Hornets Attack America.

Christina: Yes.

Jack: Which are fully trained bees the size of cars that fly in and eat all the other bees to steal their nests and replace Americans.

Christina: Replace where we get our honey. That's the end of honey. That's the end of our flowers. That's the end of a lot.

Jack: Maybe they make honey.

Christina: Are you sure about that? I thought that's why we don't want them.

Jack: I have no idea. I have no idea why we don't want them. Maybe it's because they're f****** the size of cards or some s***.

Christina: I thought it was because they could kill you in one sting.

Jack: Oh, yeah, probably.

Christina: And also they're killing our bees, which we need to pollinate. Yes. I think those are the two big problems with murder hornets.

Jack: Sure. It's not that they're just robot bees programmed like Black Mirror by the Japanese to come and replace American.

Christina: Why are they killing Japanese people?

Jack: Because they're controlled by Japanese people. The crooked Japanese robots. There's hackers out there too. You think Japan is free of hackers?

Christina: Mm.

Jack: Anyways, yeah. So scientists launch a full scale hunt for the.

Christina: The hornets.

Jack: The hornets.

Christina: The hornets.

Jack: The hornets.

Christina: Yes. The horn nests.

Jack: Hello, Hornets nests. Then. Yeah, they were worried that they would definitely destroy all the bees and we'd be f***** forever. Anyways, to finish with a little bit of a cherry. The apocalypse is clearly looming. Society is on collapse. Civil war is on the edge. Plagues surrounding everything. For whatever reason, storms are f****** drowning half the world. And down by India and Nepal, a consistent storm, rain and showers and crap that keeps happening over there starts to flood their river, endangering thousands in both India and Nepal. Because this is America.

Christina: That's not America.

Jack: Fair enough. And we end that month having reached almost 6 million cases of the COVID virus. So it doubled, doubled, but it seems to be slowing down. We went. We multiplied by nine first, then by 10, then by four.

Christina: Oh, there's one more thing from Main though.

Jack: What?

Christina: On May 28th, US COVID 19 deaths past 100,000 mark.

Jack: Oh, interesting. So we have 6 million cases and a hundred thousand deaths, which is crazy. And then that's where we get to June. But we're gonna have to do June next time on Dragon Ball Z. No, we're gonna have to do June on the next episode because we are running out of time now.

Christina: Alright.

Jack: Yes. Cuz this year is epic as f***.

Christina: Yeah, it's been pretty epic and sad and very all over the place. It's been all over the place, man.

Jack: It has been. It has been very all over the place. S***'s crazy. But it is what it is. And luckily now we're living in the future. That's way in the past. We barely remember that.

Christina: Yeah, now we got hoverboards for our hoverboards.

Jack: Yeah, we got hoverboards for our hoverboards. My flying car is parked out back. And everything, you know, everything is evolved.

Christina: Which also has hoverboards.

Jack: Everything government is run entirely by black women. There's no white males at all in office anymore. It's all black women. So. Well, different world, man. Different world. That was a long time ago. Kids were born and went to college and have grown old. That came after that year, that horrid year.

Christina: So a few days they just aged.

Jack: Yeah, they've gone through. They've become experts in fields and everything.

Christina: Okay. They're the ones that changed all of our lives.

Jack: Yeah, we cleaned the planet and Everything all right. Fantastic. Anyways, if you guys like conversations of this nature, there are conversations which we touch a lot of the topics here because it's a year's review. So, you know.

Christina: Yes.

Jack: Skim through our episodes, I suppose, because.

Christina: We have great, great conspiracies. Great points.

Jack: Yes. There's so much going on and Covid is a big one.

Christina: Yeah.

Jack: So, yeah, go catch up. Go find out what's going on.

Christina: Listen to every single episode of last year that we made. How many episodes are that?

Jack: It should be 52, because there's 52 weeks, minus the guest episode of every month. That would be 12. So there's 40 episodes.

Christina: Okay, so you're telling them to ignore.

Jack: The guest episodes if they're looking for content like this.

Christina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I mean, you can always, always go ahead and check out the guest episodes where I bring on an interesting creator or a scholar and we have conversations about stuff.

Christina: Yeah.

Jack: But yeah, I hope you guys enjoyed this conversation. If you want to find those other episodes and things of that nature, you can find them on the official website greatthoughts.info or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or anywhere you get your podcasts.

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Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe, rate the show and if you feel so inclined, review.

Christina: It and let someone who might like the show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth is incredibly important. It's something that helps us a lot because it tells people about the show. So go tell people about the show. Run outside, aim at a stranger, be like, hey, you. Then be like, look, show. And then hold up like a sticker of ours or something that you made because we don't sell stickers and be like, hey, show. And they'll be like, cool, I'll check it out. And now you made a new friend.

Christina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Christina: Okay. Wrong.

Jack: I'm sure you weren't out there, like, this is gonna be. Be naughty.

Christina: What if the child little me was naughty Garden age five year old. The five year old me, I don't know. She was a super villain.

Jack: She was a super villain. You were just terrorizing people. That's crazy.

Christina: Yes. Were you a super villain too?

Jack: I wasn't.

Christina: What were you?

Jack: I don't know. I didn't exist in school.

Christina: Exist in school? Yeah.

Jack: There was no me in school. I phased into existence right before this podcast began.

Christina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Well, there's. There's so many problems with that, considering I was already a robot in the World War and I was then killed and a ghost. Well, no, I was a normal person. I was alive for 60 years, then died, then got remade with ghost robot technology. If I remember correctly, then that ghost robot was cloned three times, of which I am the third iteration. There's still a second one somewhere out there that didn't get murdered because we killed the wrong person who was supposed to be just me.

Christina: Yes. But it wasn't.

Jack: But it wasn't. And because I, for whatever reason, couldn't tell me apart from me. Or wait, was it me?

Christina: Yeah, there was a version of you that. It was you. There was. There was just two you's. Clones. The you you and the slower you. Because I think he was a clone of you.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. I'm the third clone. There was the original clone who was. Who began the show. He was just killed and replaced one day because talking. Yeah, that happened, if I remember correctly, between episode 211. And 212. No, it was actually both in episode 211 where the first half began with that Jack. He got killed and continued the clone on the second part of that episode with Dave.

Christina: That clone wasn't you.

Jack: No, I'm the third clone who came from the future to kill the past clone and failed. And. But now I'm in the place. But I didn't know that clone ran away. I'm the clone who failed at killing the other clone. Or I'm the one who got failed? No. Am I the second clone?

Christina: Yes, because the one that tried to kill you was a slow clone. He was like. I don't know. There was something. He was special because he was a copy of a copy.

Jack: Oh, my God.

Christina: That's why he confused you with your friend and he killed your friend instead.

Jack: I get it, I get it. I get it. Because I was cloned from the original the way that the first clone was cloned.

Christina: Yes.

Jack: We were both. I'm the second clone at this spot. But we were both. I'm just second in order. But not cloned from the clone. Yeah, the third clone was cloned from me.

Christina: Yes. Then he. He wanted to kill you to replace you.

Jack: Because failed.

Christina: Yes. And failed. And then I don't know what happened to him. He might be out there still.

Jack: Fantastic.

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December 26, 2020

JCP 4.12 Wolf of Thorns & The Last of Us

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December 12, 2020

Rambling 112: Controlling Society

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Who truly controls the country? Is it the People, the Businesses or the Government? Breaking down the pecking order that runs the United States of America.

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Jack: Have you ever wondered who controls the money, who controls the companies, who controls the government, and who controls the people? Find out all that and more on this episode of Just Conversation.

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

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Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So you grab somebody, you sit them the f*** down, and you tell them, I'm the one in control here.

Cristina: Why does it have to be like that?

Jack: I am the one who's in control. You've. Why. Why can't they just ask kindly?

Cristina: Yeah, it's never just a. Okay, could you. You. You might be interested in this. Why don't you just listen to it with me?

Jack: Why would you ask somebody to kindly listen to the show with you when you can make somebody reluctant? Listen. If somebody is already willing to listen to the show, that's fine. They're probably gonna stumble on the show. You need to force somebody who wasn't willing. Bigger audience.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: More people. Those who want and those who don't.

Cristina: Want and those who don't want will probably not listen again or.

Jack: But they heard we got the view. We're paid, bro. Oh, that's how it goes.

Cristina: Helping us out?

Jack: Yeah. All those listens pay off. So, yeah, you sit them down. You're like, I'm the one in m************ control here. I control what you do, when you do it, how you f*** it. I'm the government. From this point forward, you. You gotta listen when I say listen, or I gotta tax you.

Cristina: Then what's the tax money? They're gonna make you pay them for forcing you to listen to them.

Jack: Yeah. If you don't listen. Yeah. If you don't listen, you gotta pay. And then that money makes it to us. We're secretly taxing them. We're part of the government. We were for the Illuminati, I guess. We're not part of the government.

Cristina: We're not.

Jack: No, we're part of the Illuminati. We're like an agency that's superior to the government who's trying to bring truth to the people. The woke. Truth to the people.

Cristina: Who's bringing the truth Us or the government?

Jack: Us. Like, the government wants to offer truth?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Only the Illuminati wants to offer truth. None of these government agencies or political officials are telling anybody the truth. They're all just trying to con the people and manipulate the people and control the people. Man. The man just wants to control you. Man.

Cristina: Yes. All the men in the government, though.

Jack: None of the women though. Just the men.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Just the Man.

Jack: Yeah. Like they're gonna give women power.

Cristina: Then why are there women in the government?

Jack: So that they can con the people into thinking that the people's. It's. It's the red pill. You give them the blue pill. Oh, the government's control. No, wait. The blue pill. No. Oh, s***. That's weird.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because the blue pill is the government's. Fine. It's a functional system.

Cristina: It's perfect.

Jack: And then the people who are like, oh, but the government's f*****, and you're being lied to. And you're a g****** she. Those people. Those people get the. Hey, look, your vote put a woman in office. I guess it's working now, right? And you're like, yeah, I made that happen. And so you ate the red pill. You're like, yeah, this new reality is the real reality. And I'm not a sheep.

Cristina: Still suck. But I'm telling. What, the telling the government?

Jack: Yes. That illusion. I'm in control. My vote made it my soul. Vote changed everything.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that's totally not the. Because you ate the red pill, bro. It was given to you by the same people who gave you the blue pill.

Cristina: Then what's the reality?

Jack: The red pill brought to you by the makers of the blue pill. Like, what the f***?

Cristina: Who. What's the truth?

Jack: The truth is the government is shafting you no matter what the f*** you do. The government doesn't work for you.

Cristina: They should, but they're just people, so are they also just hurting themselves as well?

Jack: Who? The government?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No, because they're using tax money to fill their pockets. They're not hurting themselves. What are they doing? They're taking the money they put in into their own pocket. Again, they pay no tax. If you work for the government, you technically pay no tax because you're putting.

Cristina: Away the money that you're getting back later.

Jack: You said any branch of the government gets paid by taxpayer money.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Every branch, all of it. 100% you% pay no tax. By working for the government, you immediately pay no tax. If you're a political official, like an officer, they pay no tax.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Community hospitals, they pay no tax, none of those deals. Those people are all paid by the government. Meaning the tax they pay from their.

Cristina: Check is our money.

Jack: Yeah, that goes back to their own pocket. They took money and then put a little of it back, but they still took the money out of the tax. So while politicians, on the other hand, they take giant sums because they can shuffle the money until it disappears. And it's like, oh, well, we distributed some over there, some over here, some over there. This one went through those hoops to get into that hoop to enter this system that was supposed to go for that thing, but then that thing needed, you know, this, this and that. So we have to break that up.

Cristina: Ozark or something.

Jack: Yeah, you're just like, yeah, it's a giant money laundering scheme where you're just mixing the money over here, passing it over there, moving it through here, it gets over there, and suddenly it ended up in your pocket. And nobody can explain how because we can't follow that mess you created.

Cristina: Yeah, no one's investigating.

Jack: Nobody's invest. And when they do, they get removed and replaced by somebody who's gonna do it better. That's all it is. We don't control the f****** government. No, we don't control the f****** government. You know who does control the government, though? Lobbyists.

Cristina: Lobbyists. That's company people.

Jack: Company people. Company people who go and make laws. That controls the government. Not f****** we. We don't control the government. The government simply wants us to think we control the government. That's the f****** red pill that the matrix gave us.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Yes, the illusion is we're in control, man. For the people who are like, the government works. And no, we don't have to control it. It works the way it needs to, but. But then there's a red poll. The government's supposed to respond to us, bro. And if it doesn't, it's not functional. And it's like, we need to rise and vote and s***. And then you vote and s***. And you just voted somebody from a list that they gave you, but you think it was your list because you voted, but they gave you the list of people to vote from.

Cristina: Mm, sucks.

Jack: Yeah. You're choosing out of the people we prefer. Which one do you want in office?

Cristina: These are our two favorite picks up here.

Jack: Yeah, these are the two people we think should be running on top. Which one of them would you like? Here, here, we'll throw you a choice. And it's like, I couldn't choose who made it all the way up there. No, no, no, no, no. And you know what's weird? How does this even get selected? Right, so we have like the, let's say the presidency. Right? We have a presidency race.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we have people who are fighting, arguing or whatever and debating and s***. When they, they run out of f****** like, oh, I'm dropping out.

Cristina: Mm, right.

Jack: Why are they dropping out? Based on what did they just f****** run out of?

Cristina: Who? We didn't vote yet cuz they already assume they're losing.

Jack: Favored yet, man.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What you just dropping out cuz someone.

Cristina: Paid them to drop out or are.

Jack: They running out of money? Like I don't. Dude, what the f***?

Cristina: What about all those other people who don't go to the base debates? Is only a two party thing.

Jack: That's weird, right? Other parties, they only want you to see these two people, our two candidates. You make a choice between our two.

Cristina: Candidates and ignore the other.

Jack: Like everybody.

Cristina: 10 people.

Jack: It's like a million parties.

Cristina: Yeah. And they show it to us on you.

Jack: Oh, we don't f****** know who they are. Yeah, they made sure we only know two people.

Cristina: Unless you like dig deep, I guess.

Jack: But how a country isn't gonna do that. They're relying on a laziness of a country. That's the whole goal. They're relying on people being lazy and not doing the homework. That's why they only show you the people they want you to know about.

Cristina: Yes, man. The laziness wins out. That's the whole like people are like going crazy over how this. Most people voted. How did like how has it increased this much? Did people start caring or something and it's like, nah, they got it home. It's easier. It's laziness.

Jack: Yeah. They mailed you the ballot and it showed up on your doorstep.

Cristina: Yeah. And then you just had to mail it out or put it in a box. Like it's so much easier than standing in a line, signing yourself in, waiting some more, etc.

Jack: Yeah, it got done for you.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's f****** weird. People are lazy as h***. And that's how the government. The government knows this.

Cristina: That were lazy. Yeah, but aren't they lazy? I guess not. Because they have a drive, which is that money.

Jack: Yeah, the government has a financial drive. That's all they care about. The government only cares about money. Everybody only cares about money.

Cristina: And the lobbyists though, well, the lobbyists.

Jack: Also care about money. They just need the right laws to.

Cristina: Make their s*** work to make them more money.

Jack: Yeah, it's all about money.

Cristina: So the money rules the world.

Jack: Sort of. The lobbyists are ruled by the companies. Usually they are the people who are paid by a company to go do a thing, go convince the f******.

Cristina: Then the companies rule the world.

Jack: Well, then that becomes a problem because the people control the money.

Jack: It's. Nobody owns anybody. Everybody's somebody's b**** in a perfect circle.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It goes like this. The people control the money. The money controls the companies. The companies control the government. The government controls the people.

Cristina: And the people control who? What?

Jack: The companies.

Cristina: The companies.

Jack: Well, they control the money, which controls the.

Cristina: They control them. Yes. Okay. Yes.

Jack: The money flow comes from the people, the everyday people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the money controls the companies.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Companies will do whatever the f***.

Cristina: Like Barry washing us through ads. Ads everywhere. Ads. 24. 7.

Jack: Yeah. 100%. And they need to be on our good side. If we become aware of anything, they have to react and be on the side of the majority. Always. 100%. Jeff Bezos, perfect example. We said he'd go out and shoot somebody the moment that his money was threatened and his money was threatened. And what's the first thing he did? He went outside and he popped the m*********** in the head.

Cristina: He did not really do that, but he did something close, you know?

Jack: Yeah. Somebody said, we're not gonna use your system because you. You. You haven't taken a stance because you're.

Cristina: What was the.

Jack: Well, he hadn't sided with anybody yet. He had a. Like, did he even have a banner? No, they didn't have anything. Right. They made no stand. So black people were like, nah, we're not doing this. And then he was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. No, no, no, no, no. I'm. Pick a side. I'll pick a side. I'm on your side.

Cristina: So you waited for someone to be.

Jack: Angry, and then when he put the Black lives thing, because people were like, well, now's the moment to make a stand. Whoever the f*** you are, whatever company you're running, you make a stand. Or you. If you don't stand with us, you. You're against us. And he wasn't making a stand until people were like, Amazon doesn't seem to want to pick a side, so we're just going to stop using that. He was like, wait, hold the f*** up. I'm on Black Lives Matter. And then that's when the other people showed up. And it's like, you're the minority. Kiss a**. When he. When he released the message in return. Because first it was people boycotting anybody who didn't want to participate.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then that's when he was like, okay, banners, Black Lives Matter.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But then the f****** people who thinks Black Lives Matter is racist showed up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they were like, well, we don't support Black Lives Matter, so we're gonna stop using your platform. And then he replied, go kiss a**, cuz you're the minority and your money doesn't mean anything.

Cristina: Yes. That's awful.

Jack: That's awful. But you gotta be wherever the money ends.

Cristina: And that's all he did.

Jack: That's all he did. He sided with money because he's controlled by the money. Amazon is owned by the money. Buy the money. And if the money isn't there, Amazon is garbage. And this applies to every company in the world. Money runs the company and the people run the money. You please the people or f*** your s***. Yeah, but if they can influence the government who controls the people, then they can get a little bit of leeway. That's why Facebook is in deep s***. Because Facebook did not please the people.

Cristina: No. Especially after everything came out.

Jack: Yes. Facebook illegal s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And because it was elite, had Facebook done it legally through the government the way other companies do to always be in the clear. But Facebook didn't want to put out the money. Facebook wants all the money.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And because they didn't put out the money to bribe the government to legislate s***.

Jack: Then it wasn't law, meaning what they did was illegal. And when the people found that illegal s*** was happening, Facebook loses money.

Cristina: But that's because the government investigated it. Because they were like, we want this. We don't want you to have it anymore. We want this information for ourselves. If we just tell the people about this, then it's ours.

Jack: You think that's what happened?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Did the government want the information? The government already has access to all this s***.

Cristina: Well, they don't want it with everyone. They want every company to give them the stuff. They weren't happy that Facebook wasn't giving them whatever, so they did that.

Jack: No, that's not true.

Cristina: That's not true.

Jack: That's not true. Apple doesn't give anybody s***. That's not true by any means. The government would be falling down on Apple like a ton of bricks if that was the case.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There are people who are Apple loyalists and they are dedicated and every penny they spend is through an Apple product in Apple systems, buying Macs and iPhones and this s*** dash s*** and f****** earpods and crap. So if that was the case, Apple would be shafted.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's not. It's simply that the government is ruled by the lobbyists. The lobbyists that did force the laws to get made. There were. None of. None of them were from Facebook and none of those laws were assisting Facebook. And the government needs to keep the illusion that it's following the laws and enforcing the laws. And Facebook did something in plain sight. It was discovered. So now the government needs to keep face and attack. It doesn't give a f***. Pay us and we'll let it go. But now it's in the light. You can't just pay us anymore because had it been law, we would have been like, it's perfectly legal. You got caught, but it's legal. Who cares? But you got caught and you didn't pay us to make it legal. So now you can't pay us. Now you're already f*****. It's in the light. If you suddenly pay us now, it's obvious. The illusion fades and we need to keep the lie that the people control us. So we have to behave like the people are controlling us.

Cristina: And what exactly are they doing, though?

Jack: They're getting. They're probably gonna destroy Facebook, to be honest. But they're making Facebook share its information. That's definitely what is happening. But they're not making Apple share its information. It's not really about the information. It's about Facebook didn't make it legal first.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And Facebook is losing money because it didn't follow the trend. It didn't do it didn't play the game. Facebook didn't play the game and wanted to win. And that's not how you win. You got to play to win.

Cristina: You got to play to win. You got to follow this step.

Jack: You got to follow the step. Facebook didn't pay off the government. The government has no reason to be loyal to Facebook.

Cristina: And we are still in charge somehow of all this.

Jack: We rule Facebook because we're the money. We could just be like, nah, we're not going to invest in any company. And preemptively. People didn't boycott s***. They're just like, we're going to stop advertising on your platform so that we're not associated with your fall.

Cristina: You see, because the people.

Jack: Exactly. Because your partners with Facebook. Oh, oh, really? We'll just stop using your s*** too. Then they preemptively in mass. They were like, yeah. They're like, peace, bro. F*** yo. S***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So money controlled all the companies that were advertising through Facebook and Facebook loses money because it didn't want to play the game.

Cristina: How dare they.

Jack: Meanwhile, Amazon tyrannical destroys everything in the world. This small business is crushed under its weight. But also they play the game.

Cristina: Yeah, that's him. But don't people still have a problem with them?

Jack: Yes, because we know they're schemy, but you can't do anything because they make it all legal.

Cristina: But doesn't the government want to break them apart?

Jack: Well, they think the company is too powerful. There's a difference between the power of Amazon and the corruption of Facebook. Those are two very different monsters. Facebook is corrupted. Facebook is broken. Facebook uses user data and sells it without user knowledge. Yes, now they let people know. But you've already been doing it illegally for so long. There's already a trial about all the time before you let anybody know.

Cristina: They're still going to get in trouble for all this.

Jack: They're still in trouble. They f***** up all the other companies the moment they saw it happen. What did they do? Wait, we're gonna make everybody aware of everything? Every.

Cristina: They were involved. They were the ones. Are they? They were the ones that were paying Facebook for this info?

Jack: Yeah. H*** yeah.

Cristina: Like they're just pretending we had nothing to do with it?

Jack: Yeah, for the most part. Well, advertisers. Yeah, advertisers. Okay, so retailers and s*** like that. Those are the same people who pulled out, the people who were buying the s*** that Facebook was selling. Those are the people who pulled out.

Cristina: Of Facebook, but they're not giving out that information.

Jack: The government, I mean, as plain as day, who were they selling it to? The advertisers. Who were the advertisers? The people who f****** love Facebook.

Cristina: Okay, so no one else is paying attention that they're just boycotting Facebook and out these other companies who left before.

Jack: Well, let's think of it like this. You're walking down the street and you couldn't buy your daughter some shoes. There were some brand new shoes she loved and you don't have the right money and it was $200. You're like, we can't afford that. A crackhead pulls up and he opens a box and he's like, hey, I got some shoes for sale. And he opens a box and they happen to be the right size. The exact shoe your daughter wanted. And he's like, you could have it for $10. Then I get just wants crack. That guy just wants crack. That dude just wants some crack. Just let him have his crack. What are you gonna do? You can probably buy those shoes. Yeah, you can look at them. Is this real? Is it? Holy s***. It is all labels, right? It's in perfect condition. Doesn't look worn. He's like, yeah, it's never been used before. He clearly stole those shoes. But also, who's ever gonna be able to track that? Nobody. You just have shoes now. Are you not gonna buy the. No, you can buy the shoes. Does anybody give a f*** where you found. Nobody gives a f*** where you found those shoes. You clearly own stolen shoes. Yeah, but does anybody give a s***? No. That crackhead stole somebody. He has to go to jail, though. He stole those shoes. He has to go to jail. If he gets caught, he goes to jail. You bought something. The crackhead is Facebook.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You are the retailer.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You bought stolen s***. Yeah, but like, everybody else would have.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You didn't steal it. You just bought some s***. You bought it fairly. It was stolen. That doesn't seem like it's your problem.

Cristina: Because you could just say, I didn't know.

Jack: I didn't know. We thought this was all done properly. We made a deal that we can have data. They come up with. We didn't ask how you're getting your data. Yes, we were just getting data. We thought, you know, they. They run surveys and this and that. No, they're just stealing information. Oh, I'm so surpr. Yeah, that's how it works. Facebook wasn't playing the game. Facebook's f*****. Amazon plays the game. They play a nice game to the point that they're kind of unbeatable. Google plays the game.

Cristina: Ooh, there's no problem with Google. Google's fine.

Jack: Well, Google people hate that. Google can control its directory. It chooses what could go up there whenever the f*** it wants. The problem is, if you read those.

Cristina: Terms and services, that's what it can do. So it can reserve.

Jack: Yep. It reserves the right to delist whatever the f*** it wants, whenever the f*** it wants, however the f*** it wants, without warning, you use it knowing.

Cristina: And so the government can't do anything about that.

Jack: Nope.

Cristina: They can't just change the laws.

Jack: No. The problem with Facebook is they were lying about it. They weren't making it known publicly. All these other companies just read. Not only that, all these other companies have a simplified version of their complicated contract so that you can read it in simpler terms. If you scroll to the bottoms of terms and services, a lot of these have a revised version that you just click, and it's a shorter bullet point. Usually what they. Well, nowadays, that's usually what they show you first, and you can click for detailed version of it, but they give you now the bullet points. So that people can comprehend it instead of this giant 3,000 page thing. Exactly. So now they give you the bullet point one instead of putting it behind a million walls to trick you.

Cristina: Finally.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So that's the one good thing.

Jack: Yeah. Because nobody wants to be guilty. Everybody wants to play. Play the game. Boom. Boom.

Cristina: And we made that game.

Jack: We made that game through capitalism. We're consumers. It's a culture of consumerism. And so money controls the companies. Companies use the money to pay the lobbyists. Lobbyists use some of that money to control the government. And government changes its laws to control the people so that companies get paid.

Cristina: How can we use this information against the government?

Jack: How do we use this information against the government?

Cristina: Yeah, I guess if there are people who are really like, I need to do something.

Jack: Threaten rich people money. You can control the government if you control the companies. And you do control the companies. So for us, the companies, the problem is people are. It relies on the fact that people are consumers and people are lazy and consumerism is based on convenience.

Cristina: So they're gonna follow that company whether or not it's doing.

Jack: Yeah. The chain can't be broken. It naturally happened. Nobody was like, well, I'm gonna formulate it this way. There's no individual who made the system. System is just customs and behaviors that naturally fell into place and created what we're in.

Cristina: Mm. But sometimes we get together and change things ourselves.

Jack: Yes. When we force certain things to happen. We boycott enough companies, they're like, bro, I'm losing people on both sides. I can't be picking sides forever. We need to legislate some s*** that makes both sides happy so that we can get this s*** over with and I can get all the customers instead of f****** some of them. So we're gonna pay some lobbyists to go and force a law that is just down the middle enough that both sides are happy and my business doesn't suffer. And these are what the titans like Amazon and Google and Apple and all these m************ do they pay lobbyists to do those things that keeps their companies in the center.

Cristina: Yes. So I guess that's good, isn't it?

Jack: Yeah, it is good.

Cristina: It makes everybody happy until we're taking advantage of.

Jack: Well, we're taking advantage of. Because of something we haven't thought of yet. They find another hole, and then we patch another hole.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: There's always a loophole. It's a matter of finding them. Who finds it first? The government, the companies, or the people?

Cristina: If we find it first, then we could do something. If they find it first, they could just. Yeah, create.

Jack: If we find it first and it hasn't been in favor of the companies or the government. The government just listens to the people. There's no benefit or not.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: If the companies find it first, they abuse it. Usually try to put it into law secretly while they immediately put it into play, but then change it in law afterwards.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So by the time people realize it's happening. Oh no, it's legal. If the government finds it, they try to use it to control both the companies and the people. Yes, because the government needs to try.

Cristina: To keep its people. I mean, wants control both the company and the people.

Jack: Yeah. And the. Because what's the benefit of everybody Wants control of everybody.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because the companies want control of the government, but they also want to control the people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the people want to control the companies and they also want to control the government.

Cristina: Definitely. So the government would also want.

Jack: Our three party system is equal to our four party system in politics where we have the president is his own party, the Congress is its own party, the Senate is its own party and the people are their own party.

Cristina: And we all control each other.

Jack: And we all control each other in some way. The third, twice removed is not reachable. So people don't affect President, Congress doesn't affect Senate, Senate doesn't affect Congress, and the President doesn't affect the people. So if we make a box and put them all on the corners, the people opposite to each other, us opposite from President, Congress opposite to Senate. That's the layout. You can't affect somebody you're not directly touching with a line, but you can affect each other in that same way. We can control who's in the Senate and we can control who's in the Congress and they control who's the President and the President can control who's in the Senate and the President can control who's in the Congress. They control Senate and Congress. Yeah, along with the people.

Cristina: So in a way we still. It's still up to us.

Jack: Yes. It's a battle between the people and the dictator for the two people who control the people.

Cristina: And the dictator and the dictator could be either the government or the companies.

Jack: Well, that's a whole separate thing. We assume the entire political system, including the people as part of politics.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Is one system, but people independent of politics. We're talking capitalism and politics as two separate things. So people economics are included with Congress. I mean people economics is included with government and companies, while people politics is people, Congress, Senate, and president and those are separate things. If we have our three party system of the companies, the people and the government, we zoom in on the government. The government contains the people, people, the President, the Congress and the Senate. But when companies try to influence the government, they're trying to influence that entire group. People's thoughts on politics, the Congress, the Senate's behavior with money. And they try to bribe the President.

Cristina: Definitely. Yes.

Jack: But controlling our thoughts on politics is independent than trying to use our money. Because our thoughts in politics is what the government is trying to control. Yes, that's all just part of the government trying to influence us. So it's a whole f****** clusterfuck of things. The illusion that they're trying to portray is that people control the government, that the government controls the companies, that the companies control the money and that the money controls the people. They try to tell us the money controls us. You gotta work for it. Yeah, you gotta work for it. If you didn't work for, you didn't earn it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And if you didn't earn it, you can't do s***.

Cristina: We start to believe that though.

Jack: Yes. We believe we're owned by the money. We're not. We're the ones holding the money.

Cristina: But that's the. Wait, that's the government telling us that. Or that's the companies that are tricking us.

Jack: Everything is trying to convince us that it's that order. Yes, Everybody's trying to convince us that it's that order.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They want us to believe people control government, government controls companies, companies control money and money controls people.

Cristina: But it's not like that.

Jack: No. The reality is, if we think about it and use it properly, people control money, money controls companies, companies control government and government controls people.

Cristina: And if we knew that, we could actually do something. Although we do stuff, it's just very rarely. That it works.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: That we actually like, I guess, bully the wrong company or the right company, I guess.

Jack: It's not that it rarely works. It's that the system is designed to move slowly to take into account knee jerk reaction. You don't want people to have a knee jerk reaction and then make a law out of it. Yes, that's problematic. That's what's scary about Democrats having the Senate two.

Cristina: Because then they can do that stuff. They're gonna have both parties.

Jack: Yes. I mean, the House and the Congress.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yes. If they have the House, the Congress and the Senate and the majority of people are also Democrats. Right now we have a scary f****** problem where the entire system is blue and Everybody who's just reacting to things Trump did are gonna create laws based on a reaction, no thought, pure emotion.

Cristina: That's all he's been doing, too.

Jack: Yes, but he can't do anything. He just looks like he's doing stuff. He tries to make it seem like he has power and people believe it. The people on the right swear he has power because he tells them and they'll believe anything. And the people on the left swear he has power because they hate anything he does. And they're like, look at how horrible. When in reality, half this s*** existed long before he was even.

Cristina: It's just easier to blame him.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Then, like, we've been doing this for.

Jack: Years, but he hasn't done anything. He's done nothing. Everything. Somebody else put. The only times anything really got accomplished in mass, it was when the parties were all aligned. When Obama was in office, it was all blue. He got s*** done.

Cristina: But you said that was a bad thing.

Jack: That was a bad thing. Many, many horrible things happened in that time. That was a very, very bad thing.

Cristina: And right now, though, it's not all red.

Jack: No.

Cristina: The house is blue.

Jack: The house is blue.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: Yes. But the president is blue now.

Cristina: Yes. And everything's going back to being super blue.

Jack: Let's hope not.

Cristina: We're not sure yet.

Jack: Because if the Senate turns out to stay red.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then slowly, only things people agree on will get through. And that's the way it should be.

Cristina: Because that's more balanced.

Jack: Yes, that's the way it should be.

Cristina: Sort of just random stuff going through.

Jack: Yes. And I think the filibuster shouldn't be removed. The filibuster is that thing where one person can stop it if they don't agree. Like a bill going through.

Cristina: One person can stop.

Jack: One person can stop it. And it's like, if they have legit reason.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then it shouldn't go through.

Cristina: But do they at least have to?

Jack: I think they do. I don't think they could just be disagree. Why? Yeah, I don't want to.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: If that's how it plays out, maybe fix the fill up.

Cristina: Maybe fix it. Yeah.

Jack: But if it's. If you really got to explain your stance and have a good argument, then, yeah, I think it should be there. Because if one person disagrees, they are a representative. That's what a republic is. And we live in a f****** republic.

Cristina: And they forget that. Although Biden is, you know, acting like he's for both parties.

Jack: So if.

Cristina: I don't know if that's all talk.

Jack: Or what if a representative disagrees? They represent a huge number of people. You can't just be like, f*** your s***. That's not how it works. A pure democracy is dangerous because the minority will always suffer.

Cristina: Yeah, we should. We gotta listen to everyone, I guess.

Jack: We gotta listen to everybody. And that is a f****** problem.

Cristina: That too is a problem.

Jack: Well, if we don't listen to people. If we don't listen to people, we are faced with a very disturbing problem.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah. The problem is that if you listen to knee jerk reaction and legislate or behave in response to things, you end up with problems. For example, there's actually a perfect example of people controlling companies through money.

Cristina: What's the example?

Jack: If you look at companies who fire people who have been accused of. Me too. Whether or not they have been proven guilty.

Cristina: Just assuming that they are.

Jack: Just assuming they are. Because the people, the louder voices are saying it. And people are paying attention to the louder voices. And we just gotta pick a f****** side immediately so we don't lose money. So we get rid of them. They don't boycott us because we're on their side. But you ruin somebody's life. Think of Netflix firing mad, mad, mad people over me too.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Think of shows firing mad map shows, movies, TV channels firing people over me too. Some of them. Many of them, there was f****** nothing. It turned out there was f*** nothing. Some of them had proof that there was nothing. That they were innocent.

Cristina: Yes. Like Kevin.

Jack: Like Kevin Spacey with text messages showing, I'm gonna tell them you did this. And it's like, why, if I didn't do that?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like, because you're gonna believe me and not you. And it's like, too bad that got recorded, buddy. But how many times does this happen?

Cristina: Too many times.

Jack: Too many times. And after Kevin Spacey did it, people got smart and they're like, I'm gonna just record these conversations so that when somebody does that. And now we have several cases where people have proof. They threatened they were gonna do this.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they know it didn't happen. Here's the proof.

Cristina: That's how it should be, though.

Jack: Yes. But companies didn't give a s***. They fire people. And we're not going to rehire because the image is ruined. We can't. And that's in react. That's a knee jerk reaction. That's the companies in a knee jerk reaction to the people's knee jerk reaction. Companies being ruled by the money of the people do it.

Cristina: Yes. But they pretend that we're under Them under their control.

Jack: They pretend the money is controlling us when we're controlling the money.

Cristina: If we knew that we easily.

Jack: Well we were aware of it in these times. That's why we were like, we'll boycott you guys.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's where boycotting came in. Boycotting came as a result of being aware that. Wait, wait, wait guys, we have the money.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess the Internet did help because we always were boycotting beforehand, but not as much as now.

Jack: People relied on us not being aware of it.

Cristina: Yes. Like maybe one town will be boycotting and the rest of the country might not know about or they'll find out really late or something and be over it.

Jack: Yeah, it's just news. Oh, they boycott a thing. Oh for one. Oh, how interesting.

Cristina: Yes. But now it could be the world.

Jack: Because it could happen overnight. Yes. Your company could be destroyed overnight. So you react instantaneously and that's a problem. That's where all these companies suddenly changed their rules and terms.

Cristina: Ruin a company. That's the thing that you don't notice. But you could do it.

Jack: Yeah, you could destroy a company. And now we know it though, so. But the problem is we have knee jerk reactions as people. So now we don't like Sonic boycott and it's like what the f***? Now you're like swinging the other side. You're hung, you're power hungry.

Cristina: Being really picky. Yes. Empower hunger. Oh yeah.

Jack: You know you have the power now. You're gonna wield it like it's a weapon.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And you can destroy anything you don't even like on. On nuance. Bullshit.

Cristina: Hey, if it's better though that Sonic one is the only one that's like eh, it actually turned out alright. But yeah, in other cases it's really unfair.

Jack: Yeah, it's pretty f***** up. But on the flip side, they can control how effective our boycotts are with what we're allowed to say when we're allowed to say it. If they can stop us from saying certain things on the Internet. Well we can't have them going to Twitter and saying all this s***. So we got to get lobbyists to go and make lobby for some laws so that they force all our competition to have certain. We gotta censor these people so they don't say certain things so that people don't know. Hey, we can put this s***. We could do that. Or we just censored topics that they think they want censored. We censored things we that they think they want censored. When really it's Benefit to us. The less they can say, the easier it is for us to move in those dark alleys that they've banned. And by putting lobbyists to go do this, we can get everybody to agree to certain terms that prevent the dialogue, that allows to boycott the dialogue. That allows for this type of. Yes, the dialogue. That allows for this information to flourish and destroy our. And that's companies controlling the government for their safety.

Cristina: They do a great job.

Jack: Yeah. Because even Twitter, the wild west, has randomly begun to censor s***.

Cristina: Yes. And Instagram. Oh, stop it. Instagram.

Jack: Well, Instagram is Facebook. And Facebook is overcorrecting because it's been attacked severely and it is scared. The government and the people. It's supposed to be in control of one. And it doesn't seem to be controlling either. Facebook is scared. So, like, we gotta overcorrect in every.

Cristina: Possible direction and just ruin ourselves more.

Jack: Yeah, it's kind of gonna backfire. They're gonna keep kind of snowballing in the wrong direction.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's going to be crazy, man.

Cristina: Twitter is on the same path, though. YouTube is sort of the same way too, of just blocking things for random. You say a word, you're not.

Jack: Well, actually that brings in the. The excessive power that companies. Because they control the election. The company, all these companies control the election. Social media controls the election. They choose what is allowed to see. So the ads, for example, a bunch of companies decided we're going to pull President Trump ads off of our platform.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because they're filled with conspiracy. Even if the s*** he's saying is true, how do you like. He can't. All of it can't be conspiracy theories, man. And maybe a lot of it is true. Maybe a lot of it. Maybe all of it is true. They could just say it's a conspiracy theory and the left is going to agree just because they agree and they're the majority. So f*** it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then you reduce the chance. Because the problem is people are confident with Trump in office and they'll say things on their mind that usually the left doesn't like. And when they see it on their platform, the left is like, well, we're gonna boycott this platform now. So we remove Trump and he doesn't get elected. Cuz people didn't see him. He went to the back of people's minds. We push Biden to the front. People like Biden more, they see him more, they vote for him. He gets in office, people stop saying s*** that's off the rails. And they don't boycott Our platform because some a******.

Cristina: So they.

Jack: Peace.

Cristina: Yes. So it has nothing to do with the mailings or any.

Jack: That's them pointing in many different directions. So that we don't look at the fact that they removed ads. They blocked and censored President Twitter's things and Facebook posts were amazing. His ads were hilarious.

Cristina: They were comedy genius.

Jack: Yes. And Biden and his boring s*** all got pushed to the front.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because it was beneficial for the companies to have somebody who won't light the flame. Like it won't fuel that fire that.

Cristina: Exists in people who's boycotting the companies.

Jack: Yes. Because people who say crazy s***. People feel confident. They say crazy s***. People like, well, that's racist. And we're gonna boycott Facebook if they don't take it down. We'll boycott Twitter if they don't take it down.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And everybody's scared about their money.

Cristina: I did.

Jack: You threatened the rich people's money. They're gonna act.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: And all these rich people got scared. Google, they got scared. People saying s*** on YouTube now.

Cristina: They don't want this, though.

Jack: Yeah. So everybody got they banned together. And we're like, we're with our powers. We're gonna get our lobbyists and we're gonna Earth, water, fire. Our powers combined. We're captain correct the government. And then they went ahead and basically put Biden in there themselves.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that the off the rails s*** stops and their companies are safe.

Cristina: Yeah. Because then there's nothing to look at. Because they could do it secretly without worrying that someone's gonna make a big show about it like Trump would do.

Jack: So they can legally censor whoever the f*** they want without somebody suing because they're gonna put that s*** into line. You know, we could take all the. How much s*** could they just label as conspiracy theory right now? Just take it down.

Cristina: Everything.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like that. Fairway conspiracy. I don't know if it's a real conspiracy or not anymore. They said it was a conspiracy. That is not true of Fairway company. It's a furniture product thing that all the furniture is super expensive. And they were saying people believe that they're selling kids in the furniture, that there's missing kids and the furniture has the name of the kids. They were like, this is weird. Because the furniture without the kid's name is a different price. Like, why is it so much more expensive with a missing kid's child? With a missing kid's name on it. Are they selling these kids? And then all of that's counted as conspiracy? Of course.

Jack: I mean, it technically is. It is a conspiracy, but whether it's a true conspiracy or not is the argument.

Cristina: And they say it's false because. I don't know. It was a mistake.

Jack: Well, actually, this is another f****** program problem that Facebook has. It. Cultivating these f****** Facebook groups that creates multiple conspiracies.

Cristina: Yeah, it was a conspiracy machine.

Jack: Yeah, it's the breeding ground of f****** conspiracy theories. Facebook is where conspiracy theories are born. It used to f****** be 4chan and Reddit.

Cristina: Yes. And those are really private, like people. You don't know a lot of people in those things, do you? Yes. I mean, I guess if you're a part of it, you do, but you know.

Jack: Yeah, like the normal person know s*** about 4chan.

Cristina: Yes, your parent does it.

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: They know Facebook.

Jack: Yeah, everybody's on Facebook. That's a problem. It's too easily accessible and it'll get blended in. If you like this thing, you're probably likely to believe that thing. So we're gonna bunch you guys up and throw all of them at you. And now you believe all the conspiracy theories that f****** happen on Facebook. So people, now Facebook, in its overcorrection has to f****** every conspiracy. F*** this s*** and f*** that and take it all down.

Cristina: Same with the news, because everything was fake news. Everyone constantly sharing fake news about just anything. Anything.

Jack: Yep, yep. Everything just proved this bullshit. And they. They don't even know at this point.

Cristina: No, they just. They just share everything. Whatever. I don't know, whatever was popular, I guess. I don't know how they found these things.

Jack: Well, actually that's funny because sticking on to the banning, like Twitter and Facebook banning. Alex Jones messed up when the s*** he was talking about turned out to be true. Yeah, that's the craziest, most f***** s***. And he talked about s*** from like 20 years ago or talked about 20 years ago about s*** that got proven recently to be true and he was just removed. Oh, it's conspiracy theory and blah, blah, blah. And it's like.

Cristina: No, because it's only though. Because one person actually acted out, though, towards it. They did that thing with sort of like Pizzagate where the guy went to the pizza place that. With a gun, I think. Yeah, whatever. Something similar to that happened with Alex Jones where one of the listeners went out and just. They. They would harass parents of a school shootout.

Jack: Oh, yeah.

Cristina: They didn't believe it was true because he said it wasn't true. And like, who knows? But now he's banned for what he said. But because of how the people Reacted from what he was saying.

Jack: But yeah, no, definitely it's. But here's the problem. Somebody reacting to something isn't his fault. But if truth is coming out, that could be something. You could do something with it. Yes, like crazy people react on other s***. Why don't you ban when other people behave random on other crap? How many people went around harassing Michael Jackson without knowing for a fact? Turned out it was true.

Cristina: Was it true?

Jack: I mean, not really. Nobody has definite proof. But the f****** documentary that came out makes it look like it's true.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so people were harassing him with none of this information. On rumors. Those people didn't get banned from anywhere. That happened on the Internet forever. No. Nobody banned them.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: We could harass people.

Jack: Yeah, you're allowed to harass. It's f****** weird, man.

Cristina: Especially celebrities. We own them for some reason.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Death threats to everyone. Why is that a thing?

Jack: And you didn't you think you'd think that the government would. In response to what people want? Because this is back to the illusion. In response to what people want. When situations like this come, you'd think people would just say a thing and the government would do what its job is, which is to listen to the people. But it doesn't. And it doesn't legislate until they get paid by the lobbyists because it should do things. But then people start to protest and people band together and hey, we gotta rise up and we gotta do these things because our rights are being abused by the government that should be listening to us. And instead of the government listening, what does it do? It sends armies of militarized police to get aggressive on protesters.

Cristina: Scary stuff.

Jack: That's the government controlling the people, not the people controlling the government.

Cristina: Because the people don't control the government.

Jack: Because the people don't control the government. They want you to think you do. Hey, go vote. That's how you make a choice. It doesn't f****** matter.

Cristina: Yes. You voted for them to send those cops to you.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: To beat you up.

Jack: Yeah. They intentionally write things in ways so that you vote for what they want. Again, you didn't pick who went up there. You picked out of the people they sent up there. That's a very different election. You don't pick who gets to stand on the podium and debate. You pick out of the people they sent to the podium to debate. That's them telling you you get to choose what happens in this government, do you? They chose two identical guys and sent them to the top. And like, which one's your favorite?

Cristina: Yes. So many. We're just. We're addicted to those pills.

Jack: Yeah. Blue pill, red pill, man. It's all the same f****** s***. But that's the government definitely abusing its rights. It's sending people and abusing its power, in that case, instead of putting laws. When it's their job to obey the people, they completely ignore it. And they do the laws that the lobbyists pay for.

Cristina: Yes, but if we do something, have we ever done anything that actually changed laws?

Jack: I mean, it does happen when we get really aggressive. Yes.

Cristina: When we get aggressive. Yes.

Jack: Protesting is how the civil rights movement happens.

Cristina: Yes. We just need to do that again.

Jack: You gotta get real aggressive and you gotta get scary on the government. You gotta threaten their way of life in exchange through. Oh, you could do it through the companies. Yeah, you got to threaten their way of life through the companies.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You threaten everything they stand for through the companies. The companies will force the government to do whatever the f*** you want. Don't even question it. You threaten a billionaire. A billionaire controls everybody. Don't worry about it. You threaten a billionaire, he's gonna do whatever the f*** you want him to do without a question. He doesn't have opinions. He cares about money. He doesn't have opinions. He sides with whatever opinion gets paid.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so do the politicians. Except you don't have millions in your pocket. The bribe of politician, the billionaires do. So you go ahead and you control that billionaire through their company and watch the laws you want take place. That's how it happens.

Cristina: That's how Jeff Bezos killed that person.

Jack: Yeah, he just went out and shot somebody. Perfect example of how this f****** works as well is the problem with the Senate and the Congress that they don't agree right now, but the money is for the people. Do whatever it takes to give the people money. But they're like, well, I don't agree with this. And I don't. Yeah, but the people are the ones suffering. But it doesn't matter because the people don't control the government. It doesn't f****** matter what we want or what we need because the people don't control the government.

Cristina: Yeah. So they could play this game of what? This price? No, that price.

Jack: They could do this forever because the people have no influence on it. Now, you tell the big companies, look, we're not paying any of you m************ until this f****** stimulus bill goes out. Suddenly they'll agree on $5 trillion overnight.

Cristina: We should do that.

Jack: All the things 100%, I swear to you boycott Google, Amazon and Facebook all at once. Say, until we get the stimulus checks, we don't use any of this. Tell me it doesn't take 15 minutes.

Cristina: Before they do something.

Jack: There's so much. You get a $10,000 check every month for the rest of your life. Just because they're still making a million.

Cristina: Need to do that.

Jack: Yes, that's how it works, man.

Cristina: We just haven't figured that out.

Jack: Yeah, it's. It's. People are not willing, people are ignorant, people are lazy.

Cristina: Dumbest things, just the dumbest things get through. No, the whole sonic thing is still shocking.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. People this, man. We don't know how to use power.

Cristina: No.

Jack: That's why the sit. That's why all these systems form. We can't have unlimited power. There needs to be a slow process. Only when a giant group decides unanimously does change happen instantaneously. And at that point, it should happen instantaneously because everybody wanted it.

Cristina: But then. So with the police thing, is that happening then? Because we all together, we're protesting change.

Jack: Specifically in the places where people are banning together in the large enough numbers, change happened immediately, even when the results were s*****. Think of New York. People overwhelmingly were like the police. So they went ahead and removed a s*** ton of police. They defunded the s*** out of police. Crime went way the f*** up. But you guys wanted it. So this is what it looks like now. You can't complain. You asked for it. Your knee jerk reaction. This is what it looks like. Enjoy that.

Cristina: They had to come up with a solution as well.

Jack: Oh yeah, they're definitely complaining now. But they're not arguing for the government that made it happen. Now they're like, f***, we can't go back on our thing. We got to come up with solutions. So community solutions are starting to happen. So I guess it's got to get bad before it gets good.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: So that's the flip side. Yes, crime will go up, but it will go down once they figure it out.

Cristina: Yeah. And that's the important thing. If you don't want the police to control you or the government to control you or whatever. If you want the freedom, it's gonna get bad.

Jack: Yeah. Until you stat. Because it's a new system. You're making a new system.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Figure out how to work, how it works. If you don't know how it works, s***'s gonna get weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it has to because you need to remove the government from the positions of power you want the people to have. But it's problematic we don't know how to use power. We haven't had power. We've been controlled by the government for so long. Instead of the government doing what we want.

Cristina: The government. But they're just people. They're evil people. Did the power turn them evil or did the want for power in the first place make them?

Jack: It doesn't work that way because the lobbyists don't pay. I mean, they do pay individuals, but it doesn't work in such a fashion. The only main individual that lobbyists really, really pay is, like, the President. And, yeah, you pay senators and you pay Congress, but you pay them in a bigger scope because they have multiple individuals trying to pass something. So it's about, well, you need to talk to people. You need to make these decisions. You need to get these people to agree. So you're paying a general collective to make moves.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they need funding to do what they do. So it's not that there's somebody like, I'm an evil scheme guy. Money is gonna fill my pockets.

Cristina: They just need money.

Jack: Also, my job is getting paid.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To run the government collectively. We all got paid by the same guy to vote for the same thing. But I wasn't like, well, he's paying me, he's paying him. We're all being paid, so we can agree. No, you get paid by you. Basically, they're investing in you.

Cristina: They're investing.

Jack: So nobody's out there being evil.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Nobody's like, they're just really doing their ideas and doing what their supporters believe they should be doing. And their supporters happen to have a lot of money. And whoever pays you the most is who you work for. Essentially.

Cristina: Then are the companies evil, schemy people?

Jack: Well, the companies are also not evil, schemy people. The companies are companies. Their job is to do whatever profits.

Cristina: The business, no matter what.

Jack: Cause they're not gonna go out and, like, rob people that would profit them.

Cristina: Facebook.

Jack: Well, Facebook is in trouble.

Cristina: Yes. I guess that's what happens. When it does happen.

Jack: Like Amazon does it the right way. You just gotta do whatever. You have shareholders. You have to please the shareholders. You have business sort of setup that you got to follow. You're a retailer, you own certain businesses that do certain things, and you run those businesses accordingly, and you make money in those ways. But if your business is threatened, then you have to make stances and you have to make moves so that your business is not threatened. And the same thing goes for people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: People have to do what the government says so that they don't get in trouble so they don't go to jail, so that they are. They can be out and vote for the certain rights that they want and do this and do that. So every. Nobody's like unanimously doing anything. Everything is a collective of ideas and things influencing each other piece.

Cristina: But why does it look like there's something wrong with it if it all works so well together?

Jack: Because.

Cristina: Oh, wait, that was about the illusion. The illusion is what makes it feel like it's all wrong when it's not.

Jack: Yes. The illusion that they're trying to portray makes it look f*****.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But the illusion means nothing. Yeah, that's everybody trying to claim they have more power than they claim and trying to claim. Oh, no, we're the ones in trouble. You're the ones in control. When in reality you control the wrong thing, but they don't want you to know what you control. That's all them trying to trick you. The system isn't flawed. The people in the system are flawed, but no individual is flawed. Yeah, collectives of bad ideas and bad education are flawed.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that's pretty much it. I don't know how the f*** we got here, but that was a fascinating discussion. Although we're running out of time.

Cristina: Oh, no.

Jack: Yeah. So I don't have any idea how we got here, but you know what? Great. Whatever. Anyways, we've had other conversations like this on this show before. Not exactly like this one particularly, but related to politics and sociology and human behavior and government and companies and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So if you like conversations of this type and this nature, you can find more conversations of this nature, which I hope you liked. You can find that on the official website, greythoughts.info or on Apple Podcast, Spotify, and anywhere you get your podcasts.

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Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe and rate the show. And if you feel so inclined, review it, please.

Cristina: Yes. And let people who might like the show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth. Be sure to tell people. Tell people about the show. See, there's a difference. At the beginning of the show, we tell you to kidnap somebody, but at the end we tell you there's certain people who are just gonna listen if you tell them. Yeah, but we need you to get those people who don't want to listen first.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then just tell people who are totally gonna be like, okay, I'll go listen.

Cristina: Yes. And then everyone wins.

Jack: And then everyone wins. We get all sides Yep, this has.

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Jack: Sat patiently watching his co host, the maniacal laughs in the back of his mind begin to get louder and louder. He's screaming in laughter, but he stares blankly at her. She knows very little about what's happening in his mind other than what he's narrating for some given reason.

Cristina: Yeah. Why is he laughing? His mind.

Jack: He's preparing himself with laughter. Yes. The maniacal laughter in the back of his mind gets him ready. It preps him for the show. It brings the inner Wade Wilson fused with the Joker, forward into the limelight. For whatever reason, the light is lime. Could have just been a white spotlight, but it is a lime light.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I mean, I guess in old movies it was limelight, wasn't it? Like, the stage light was this weird, like, off yellow. It was lime colored.

Cristina: Was it lime colored? It was just off yellow. Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

December 05, 2020

Rambling 111: Shapeshifters

December 05, 2020/ GreyThoughts.Info

The Just Conversation Podcast, Vampire, Werewolf, Werewolves, Monsters, Scary, Terror, Horror, Aliens, Alien, Abduction, Lore, Folklore

What are the odds that all the creatures throughout folklore are the same species? Comparing Vampires, Werewolves, Chupacabras and deciding whether they are all just shapeshifters.

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On their hunt to capture a werewolf, the duo dive deeper into the lore, general information and what creatures might be relative to werewolves. Unbeknown to them, they’d discover some scary truths about other creatures and uncover knowledge that perhaps werewolves and their true kind never wanted humans, clones, the illuminati and garbage sub-humans to know. Find out what on this episode of Just Conversation.

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Blood Drinking Werewolves
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Shapeshifter DNA
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Vampire & Werewolf Similarities
How Vampires are Made
Counting Vampires
Werewolf Fairy Tales
Little Red Riding Hood
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