Rambling 279: Stonehenge

Why does Stonehenge look so familiar? Who built this interesting structure? What was its ultimate purpose? The duo accidentally stumble upon Stonehenge while investigating cold spots for paranormal activity. Between familiar designs to identical functions, the similarities and purpose of this place becomes way more obvious than could have ever been anticipated. 

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  • Stone Configuration
  • The Avenue
  • Legends and Folklore
  • Similarities to other Structures
  • Records, Documents and Texts

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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. Hahahaha. Baffling day will be in fact.

Cristina: Haha.

Jack: Why, if I were some sort of a mime thing. Not a mime. What do you call it when you stick your hand up a doll's a** and you. He's not a mime, he's a puppeteer. Ventriloquist. First of all, I've never thought of this before, but have we in society sort of classified these two people in the same group? They're kind of like doing something, but also is like, what you're doing is impressive but unacknowledgeable.

Cristina: What?

Jack: The mime and the ventriloquist. Have we been treating them like equals? Kind of like, yeah, you're here, but like, f*** you guys. And not a direct f***** you, like cool, but like passively cool. You're not even like, inherently cool. It's just passively cool. Yeah, like, yeah, I'll stop and look at you for like a minute, for.

Cristina: A second, I don't know.

Jack: And then I'm gonna continue on my way. Regardless how impressive what you're doing might be. Outside of my point, this is a show where we ground stuff. And that doesn't mean that we take things from the ground or that we put things on the ground in the ground in a literal sense. Because in a metaphoric sense, we literally mean. In a metaphoric sense, we literally mean we grab things and put them on the ground. That's what we mean in a metaphoric sense. We mean literally, metaphorically, that we would grab something and put it on the ground so that it's like based. Okay, no, but we don't mean it literally.

Cristina: Even though you're saying literally.

Jack: No, no, no, we don't mean it literally. We mean it metaphorically, but we mean that metaphor literally. Okay, so we're literally meaning that metaphor, but we're not meaning the sentence literally. No, we're meaning the metaphor literally. Of course that we're grounding these thoughts. We're putting them on the ground anyways.

Cristina: We're starting off with like pictures.

Jack: Yes, yes, we are. You get it.

Cristina: Oh, snap.

Jack: You get it. Have you been having fun with the new mysterious? It's always more mysteries. Have you been enjoying this new format?

Cristina: Yes, I guess, because it's very Strange.

Jack: It is, but it's the fact that this keeps happening.

Cristina: It's everywhere.

Jack: Yeah. So I want you to tell me and the listener, I love this because I never put the image up. I tell them I'm always gonna put it up. But nobody puts it up. None of us put it up. Nobody puts anything up. The notes go up. Nothing goes up. Nobody puts anything up. So we're gonna describe this image. You're gonna describe this image. I know exactly what this is. I had to. Yeah, but you're gonna tell me what you're saying.

Cristina: I can't tell what's in the middle. I see. It looks like grass. It's a bunch of. It's just. It's very plain, grassy looking, with a circle.

Jack: So describe the grass. What are we talking about, grass wise?

Cristina: I'm not sure. Grass green.

Jack: Yeah. Like what? Where?

Cristina: Where? I don't know where. This is in the middle of nowhere.

Jack: How is the grass distributed?

Cristina: There's a lot of lines everywhere.

Jack: Is it plains? Is it a field? Is it a golf course? Is it a.

Cristina: It could be a golf course. I don't know. But there's a circle with two lines coming out of it. And then two lines come going over that line. But in the circle, I'm not sure what's in that circle. Is it trees? Can you tell what that's.

Jack: Yeah, I know what's in there.

Cristina: Are those trees, though?

Jack: No, I'm not answering that question yet.

Cristina: Not rocks? I don't know. And the two lines that are going out of the circle, there's something, some other type of path going through it. That. Not grass. Is it a road? It might be a road. I'm not sure.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: But everything else. The lines that are in the grass don't look like road lines. Those are, like, I don't know, biker lines. Maybe someone made it with a machine. But, like, grass is still there. So it's been a while. There, the lines.

Jack: Okay. Yes.

Cristina: And that circle is not perfect. Like, it looks like it's cut up in one side of it. But I don't know if that relates to anything. Okay. And I don't know.

Jack: All right, now give me some theories.

Cristina: What do you think this is something related to UFOs?

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because it's a circle in a field.

Jack: Interesting. So it's a field.

Cristina: Maybe, but it's very plain. So maybe it's more like a fairy thing because they like to do it in planes.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Circles and planes are fairy related.

Jack: Like what?

Cristina: Like what? Like that. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. Like what reference? What you're talking about fairies and planes.

Cristina: Yeah. Make circles, I think. And then they usually. What's in the middle of them? I don't know. It looks like trees to me.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Are we looking at it? Far away?

Jack: Say it again.

Cristina: Is this far away? Are we far away from whatever object is in the middle of that circle?

Jack: Yes, we're very far away.

Cristina: So I can only imagine that it's trees, but there's something sticking out. A bunch of something. I guess it could be rocks. It could be one of those things where people put weird rocks, like the stone hedge. But I feel like it's still fairy related, not alien related. Especially if it's. I don't know. I don't know. There's something because, like, when it's alien related, there's nothing in the circle. It's just, whoa, a circle. And then. But because there's something in the middle that makes it also feel like it's more fairy related.

Jack: I like the pattern you're spotting here. I've never thought of this before. We have discussed many alien instances. All their things are very exact lines. There's never objects in them. That is correct. We've also discussed fairies to extensive, deep, extensive details.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they always have something in the middle, and it's usually a circle. You're totally right. I like all the things you're pointing out here.

Cristina: So. Am I even close?

Jack: What do you think it is? Three guesses. It doesn't matter.

Cristina: Is that what they're called?

Jack: Or fairy trees. Okay, well, fairy trees are in the Isle of Man. Okay, go on.

Cristina: Okay. It's. So it could be a UFO circle. Anyway. Even if there's something there, like maybe things grew in there after a while. Anyway.

Jack: 100%. 100%. Like, what the h*** are we looking at? Right? They favor fields.

Cristina: And if it's just. If it's unrelated to either, then I don't know, a real nice, interesting gardening pattern.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: It's possible. I don't know why you'd want to talk about someone who did.

Jack: You are absolutely right about a lot of this.

Cristina: Stones.

Jack: Stonehenge.

Cristina: It was Stonehenge. That poor photo is Stonehenge.

Jack: That's photo Stonehenge. Think about everything you've spotted here that we are very informed in right now.

Cristina: So far, you can't even tell that there's stones.

Jack: Yes. That's not even the point. You spotted every. Everything that mattered about this. All the similarities, every f****** ounce of everything that mattered you saw in this image.

Cristina: It's very Bad image?

Jack: Very. It was important this. The distortion of this image mattered. I chose it intentionally because it was very small, and then expanding it made it very hard to see what was in the middle. So that you don't fixate on what was in the middle. I know how you work.

Cristina: That's so crazy, because you can't really tell. Yeah.

Jack: It looks like a blob of whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But you noticed everything else that mattered about that, right?

Cristina: Those things matter, though.

Jack: Every bit of everything you spotted mattered. And a lot of these similarities are like, But the question is, how did we get here? Right.

Cristina: It's not fairies. It's fairies. The answer.

Jack: Well, let me answer the question.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: How do we get on this road to begin with?

Cristina: With the hole in America.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Or I guess even before that. If we're starting from the beginning.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: It was that lady's house. Yeah.

Jack: We're just looking for distortions in space time.

Cristina: And you think there's a distortion here? There's stories about this place.

Jack: That's exactly what the landed me here. And that's what's throwing me off. Because then you look at it and then you're like, huh? Before I even read a story, I know who showed up here. I know what they saw, potentially just based on what I'm looking at.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yes. Give me some guesses and I guarantee you're gonna be on the nose of what the stories relate. Just looking at the shape of that. Give me one creature. Just make it an educated guess. Think about it. Don't go out of the blue based on what you're looking at. Make it one educated guess. Just one educated guess. You're going to be right. There's enough variation that fixates on this that you won't be wrong.

Cristina: I'm not sure what you mean.

Jack: One creature. One creature.

Cristina: The. Based on what you're looking at, creature and not fairies.

Jack: Not a fairy, but a creature that 100% you think could.

Cristina: Shadow Realm creature, or you're saying anything.

Jack: Anything you'd like. What comes to mind? What would show up? Whatever you want.

Cristina: Werewolves.

Jack: 100%. Yes.

Cristina: Okay. I don't know what.

Jack: So Stonehenge seems to be among the top 10 most active places that have ever existed. When I dive into what Stonehenge is, we're gonna be like, oh.

Cristina: Now more than just like what they say of like, it's a calendar in a way.

Jack: Okay, let's go straight to that. It's a calendar in a way.

Cristina: So. Yeah, that's enough of that.

Jack: Yeah. Calendar. That is the Sort of basic narrative we get. Right. That's the accepted narrative.

Cristina: You can see the passing of the seasons on certain points or something.

Jack: The light comes in between the sort of rock formations and that it works kind of like a clock, but for months at a time. And seasons. And that's it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just a clock for months and seasons. Pretty basic, Pretty simple.

Cristina: Yes. I mean, it's still kind of complicated because it's so ancient to be doing that, but. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah, a hundred percent. And that's really, really, really badass about it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But then I just gotta ask some basic questions. When you think about what it looks like, what does it look like?

Cristina: What does it look like?

Jack: What? Describe what Gates. Stonehenge.

Cristina: It looks like gates. They're gates.

Jack: Tell me the complicated nature of this. This is absurd, right? Just knowing what we know in general, why is it that we see this formation that's happening here? So now we got a close up look. Describe the current image we're hovering over. Describe what Stonehenge really looks like as we see it today.

Cristina: A bunch of stones. Two stones. Two long stones going up, one stone on top. Like a gate because there's like space in between each one. How many are there? Because there's one in the middle, one on the outside. And it looks like there could have been. There's a little bit in the middle too, but that could have just been the. The ones that were in the middle broken up. So because it looks like a lot of them are no longer there.

Jack: Here's a better angle directly from on top. And to show this is gonna be.

Cristina: A perfect circle like it was once upon a time.

Jack: Mm. Mm. Yes. Yes, it was.

Cristina: Why? Why don't they want to fix that? That's so cool.

Jack: They can't touch it. No, it's ancient.

Cristina: No, they should. They should definitely. Oh, my gosh. That's also part of it.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Because I thought they were all separate stone doors or whatever you want to call it. Man, I wish we knew what the middle part would have looked like. I'm guessing it would have been similar, but it's hard to tell now because it's. It's so. It's pretty gone. Just the outside layers more together.

Jack: Pretty interesting, right?

Cristina: Yeah. Gates.

Jack: It looks like a bunch of gates put together.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So is that the case?

Cristina: Yes. No. I don't know. Yeah.

Jack: You think it's a bunch of gates stacked together.

Cristina: But who would that be for the shadow realm?

Jack: There's observations that must be made about this in the first place.

Cristina: Like where's he located?

Jack: Fair enough. Let us go all the way to the beginning and talk some rough details. Right. First again seeking space anomalies and space time disturbances. We get here and I got here because I found a bunch of weird stories which we'll get into. But it led us to Salisbury Plain in Wiltshire, England. That's where Stonehenge is. Had you asked me where this was, I would have never in a million years known. I would have thought one of these random countries or people yodel or some s***, ya know. Okay, now make a random guess at when this was built. We're gonna start where it matters.

Cristina: Where did it start? I don't know. It has to really. It's. Sure. I'm sure it's related to the sea people somehow. But like I can't pinpoint it.

Jack: Put random year on it.

Cristina: The. The year Jesus was born.

Jack: That's the year one.

Cristina: Okay. Year one.

Jack: No, way longer ago. This is the year 3000 BC. Pretty holy s*** kind of amounts of time back. Yes, let's talk details. 72 stones fill the outer circle. In the complete version, if you fill it out and you create a design that is perfect and flawless without any stones missing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: 72 stones fill the outside. It is in fact a full circle.

Cristina: Okay. Was the inside supposed to be the same though?

Jack: 15 arcs would form out of these 72 stones. That's two up one over every time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: 15 arcs will form the 16 sort of doorways. Like you said, they all look like gates. Yes, specifically like Shinto gates. They all have that same kind of flat top to very stable side entrances or whatever.

Cristina: This has to do with the Shadow Realm people. That's not my new guess, but. Okay, continue though, right?

Jack: Like there's something to it too specific going on here. Now, more importantly, and where my fixation rests, here where the most important. Again, why first? What the h***? Fifteen. I don't think those are games. Not the 15 on the outside. Right.

Cristina: What's in the middle?

Jack: In the middle there are five and those are not connected. The ones on the outside creating the sphere or not sphere, but circle.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Are all connected. They all share. Each one vertical shares two horizontal and that continues all the way around.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But in the middle, each one arc is formed of three parts directly. They don't connect. They are set into a sort of horseshoe formation.

Cristina: Okay, and you said. How many of them are there?

Jack: Five would complete the sort of primary inside part.

Cristina: And that's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. And then there's just an open space in the middle yes.

Jack: Now, do you remember what you saw in the other image I showed you? It was a circle. With what.

Cristina: The first image?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: The very first image was a circle with two lines coming out of it.

Jack: Right. Is that something those two lines, they're important. That you saw were connecting. I mean, think about what you're looking at. Here's Stonehenge in the middle. There's a giant circle surrounding Stonehenge. There's two lines shooting right out of Stonehenge. I'll shrink this. Maybe you get a better view of what's going on.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. Oh, wow. Stones. There's more gays.

Jack: Those two lines are engraved in the ground and those two lines connect directly to the river.

Cristina: What's for.

Jack: That's not the important part. It's not even that they line up and did they connect to the river. It's what they line up with. What they line up with the summer and winter solstices.

Cristina: Yeah. That's why people watch that when it happens. People just live stream.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Watch it.

Jack: Now let's think about this real quick because you know of something else that fits both the suits we're talking about right now?

Cristina: That's when the spirits are easily come out. Right. Is that it? I don't know. Close like.

Jack: Yes, close like. Do you remember something familiar directly connected the two solstices with two of them? Yes. I can give you the reminder if you need it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But if you can remember.

Cristina: It's not that what I said. No, it's relating to the two solstice. I'm not sure.

Jack: Okay, so if you remember, a long time ago, we were talking about El Castillo created by the earth gods, which is essentially a temple where the very entry of the temple is lined up with the autumn.

Cristina: But that was also because we thought it was a gate.

Jack: It was a gate. It was a gate to the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: And to Mount Cuff.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Think about the shape you saw and the fact that this one we're looking at is not lined up to autumn and spring, but rather to summer and winter. And it looks like a what?

Cristina: A pyramid?

Jack: Like a pyramid.

Cristina: Oh, I thought you were talking about the other one. Oh, that. What does that look like?

Jack: Yes, the one we're talking about right now. The giant circle surrounding Stonehenge is very different than the sort of pyramid requirements to reach the Shadow Realm. Pyramids seem to reach the Shadow Realm. We see mountains, we see pyramids. The Shadow Realm. But circles seem to be associated with what?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: You were just talking about it. What the h*** do you mean fairies?

Cristina: Fairies. Okay.

Jack: Circles and fairies. I don't know why, but the geometry says circles and fairies and pyramids.

Cristina: In the shadow realm, pyramids and the.

Jack: Shadow pyramids always either connect to the shadow room or teleportation. Okay, we don't have pyramids leading us to the fairies. Okay, but circles always have the portals that take us to the fairies.

Cristina: Mm. But it doesn't take us to the fairies.

Jack: It takes the fairies to us. Yes, but it's a way. It's a doorway.

Cristina: Yes, but only for them.

Jack: Point is that we see fairies connected with circles and we see djinn connected with pyramids and diamonds and triangles and those kinds of shapes. Okay, so it's just a random pattern. I've been noticing, tossing that in there.

Cristina: Okay, but what about the circles we were seeing. Seeing in that farm?

Jack: Which farm?

Cristina: The farm with the circles that were moving around.

Jack: Yes, that's then when the question comes into play. Right.

Cristina: Because that had nothing to do with berries.

Jack: Well, we don't know that. Think about the fact that we saw both a square in the ground.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which, when you funnel it becomes a pyramid and a circle. Both of them were at that ranch.

Cristina: That's very strange.

Jack: Yes. It wasn't one. It was both. A circle in a triangle.

Cristina: You think, together.

Jack: The same kind of sort of indentation in the ground.

Cristina: But it's different time periods. So it wasn't like they were hanging out at the same time together or anything.

Jack: It's just.

Cristina: It's the random.

Jack: It's the best spot to do it because of the activity there.

Cristina: Yeah, but this is. This is probably 100 fairy release.

Jack: This is 100 fairy.

Cristina: Okay, now or not 100.

Jack: I wouldn't say 100 fairy.

Cristina: Because other things pop up.

Jack: Everything pops up.

Cristina: Everything.

Jack: It's.

Cristina: It's a hot spot. Like the other things. The other locations.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: We've been talking about.

Jack: Yes, but what you gotta question is then why are there so many similarities? Right. We have the lineup with the solstices, but the opposite too. Instead of autumn and spring, it's winter and summer. So the deviation, immediately something changes. Yeah, because now we're not sharing the same solstices, but we're also not sharing where we're going. Something about that alignment connects directly to either the shadow realm or the fairy Elfame. Fascinating. Just a bit of information we've uncovered.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Some sort of something means that spring and autumn, Shadow, summer and winter. Elfame. I don't know how. No, I don't know what. How this connects. But that seems to be the case.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: For whatever reason, very random observation. But throwing it out there, something we know now, maybe it'll connect in the future.

Cristina: Yeah, in the future.

Jack: You know, just saying it out loud. Maybe somebody tells us something. The message like, hey, what about the. What the.

Cristina: And then it's like, oh, how did we not notice?

Jack: How do we not notice? So something about lining up does matter.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And you have to line up with the sun, the way the sun is tossing energy in your way. And how you're using the energy creates some sort of a riff.

Cristina: Yes, but the sun is just very powerful thing that everyone's figured out how to use. Besides us.

Jack: Besides us.

Cristina: I mean, we're figuring it out, but, like, we're not. Like, compared to the Egyptians in the ancient time with their pyramids, like, come on.

Jack: Yeah. No, we're definitely kind of whack. But maybe they took this long.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We don't know. Like, it's. We don't know at what point they were at what. And, like, also, all of them got cheated. They got extra. Not cheated. But they got to cheat.

Cristina: They got to cheat.

Jack: Yeah, we can't compete with that. They got.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They themselves are like, oh, yeah, they. Something helped us. Yeah, like, come on, bro. What's helping us? But then again, everybody feel like, oh, we're taking technology from the aliens.

Cristina: Yes, we are cheating too.

Jack: Then we suck.

Cristina: Then we thought, yeah, if everyone cheated.

Jack: Guys, look, let's say we're not cheating and we're doing it all on our own. Let's just. Let's take that credit. Because we have to say we're cheating. Yeah, if we gotta say we're cheating, we're bad about cheating. Come on, man. Come on, man. If we're just bad, then we're not bad. We're amazing. We're doing it on our own.

Cristina: We are really good. Because it's not us. It's these people who are good at hiding it. Like, we know there's the technology that people have that are teleportation. We know that's there. We have. We don't have it. But there's humans that do have it.

Jack: That we came up with.

Cristina: Those humans came, like, in the farm. They figured it out in the farm. Yeah, Scientists. They're humans who can do it.

Jack: Yeah. Without the question is without alien help.

Cristina: Well, with alien help by, like, they were investigating the weirdness, and that helped them.

Jack: Yeah, fair enough. That's usually how it goes. Right? It's science.

Cristina: And now they can live in space and we have no idea about it because we're not one of them.

Jack: That's f****** nuts. Right? The fact that they. Oh man. It's so nut. But this is kind of the same s***. Right? This is just way up there.

Cristina: Tech. Yes.

Jack: And then here's the thing. Here's the f****** thing. That's craziest. We've heard a thousand times that technology sufficiently enough advanced just seems like magic.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: God. Could that not be more true the more you dig deep. This just looks like lines in the freaking. But think about everything. This is a transmutation circle of sorts. That's all it is. It's channeling energy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that energy is lined up with the solstices. We've seen this before. El Castillo has the stairs completely lined up with the doorway in a slightly variation. Open so that it's tighter towards the door, more open towards the base. And then the walkway itself continues that expansion. Then has a little bubble and then spreads out. So it is self is in the form of a transmutation. The field that they designed around it. Transmutation.

Cristina: And the steps are weird too, aren't they? Like they're really big or something.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: All of it for humans.

Jack: Yeah. The steps are abnormally large and in odd patterns. It's like everything is designed with these sort of geometric shapes in mind. All of it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But when it's a gate or you go somewhere that already has a shape. Someplace tall enough that already has a very triangular shape.

Cristina: Talk about a mountain.

Jack: A mountain. How would you compensate for the mountain if you wanted to make a fairy gate? Because now we can differentiate. We know what a shadow gate looks like. It's some sort of a Shinto fairy gate.

Cristina: I guess so. But like the one in the house. What did that one look like? If we can picture what the inside of the house looked like.

Jack: It was. There's. That's the most f***** problem. We have no idea which side she was inviting in. We assumed Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: But it could have been either or and both. Because there was no description to anything. It was an empty room. There was just a little shrine area in the corner. And the hooks. That's it. Nothing more. No description. I have no idea what she could have been doing. But the house itself was a giant shape.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In this same case. It's the same idea. It's a bunch of structure surrounding some kind of more important center. Like the seance room. This pattern representing itself again. And it looks too obviously like a gate here though.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But now 15 doorways. I don't think they were doorways. Maybe something else, some help channeling.

Cristina: But five doorways?

Jack: At least five doors. That brings up a problem. Why five doorways?

Cristina: So, okay, you think it should just be one doorway?

Jack: It should be three. Well, it should be two, depending on where you are. Unless it's multiple doorways, the same realms. It's not like a realm doorway as much as it is like, well, that one goes to the Shadow Realm here. That one goes to Shadow over there. That one goes to Elfame. Those two go to other parts of Earth Realm, you know, because there's five and you're already in earthrealm. Do you see? Okay, so there's five destinations. You'd only have two other realms to go to. So they aren't realm portals directly. Unless they are they, you know, more than one repetition. It could just be like Mount Kaf goes here, and this is Mount Olympus and this is Athos.

Cristina: That's if it's ferry related. It has more to do with what's on the other side. Like, they're not all coming here through the same place.

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: Well, the people that are living in the ferry place, if the humans there, I guess. Humans?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: They're not in. Why are they going through one gate into here? Wouldn't they go like a bunch of different places? Like, I don't know, like if you and a friend from Korea want to take a gate to, I don't know, gta. You just. You, you do it where you're at, but you still meet in the same spot.

Jack: I understand what you mean. I understand what you mean. So she's Korea, I'm here. We both go in through our gates and we're going to like, Las Vegas.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we both just pop up in Las Vegas. But there's two different doorways. So there's the Korea doorway and there's my doorway.

Cristina: Yeah. Because I don't know what the Parry world works like, but, like, if it's.

Jack: Like that, if it's another layer, then yes. And what this is showing us is that that argument holds more water. Because why can't they just pop up? Why do you need a door? We need a door to get to you. Why do you have a you made door? You wouldn't need to make a door.

Cristina: Well, they've always needed a way in.

Jack: Which also explains the seeing of the. Because we already know that there are the fairy forts that are made by fairies, which have the grass, the trees, circles.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then one tree in the center, it's a wall. Of trees. Perfectly. Then an empty grove in the middle with one tree in the center. And all of them look identical. And then the Mad Maid fairy forts that we just craft around an empty field. And then boom, a tree shows up in the middle following the same idea.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. I don't think they need something to get.

Jack: They've always needed some sort of a path. Which means they can't just hit a button and show up.

Cristina: But whatever they. When they do make a path here, there's no way for us to use that path. Which besides the necromancers, who's figured out. But they really can't go in it either. They just.

Jack: They have another way.

Cristina: They have another way.

Jack: Yeah, but here is the thing. Think about what you just described and tell me how is that any different than a Shinto gate?

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: From over there, you can come over here. What happens if you walk in through a Shinto gate on this side?

Cristina: Go to Shadow?

Jack: Since when?

Cristina: Oh, not us.

Jack: No, Nobody. Nobody goes in through a Shinto gate and goes to the Shadow Room. It's a one way gate.

Cristina: It's a one way gate too. Yes, that's true. Okay.

Jack: They're both just one way gate. So you can only come from that side, this way. You can't go from this way, that side.

Cristina: Well, they may. They maybe can.

Jack: As far as we know, we can't go through it.

Cristina: Yes, but they could probably use those gates back.

Jack: Yeah, but I was only kind of answering to the fact that you said it looks like a one way gate.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So.

Jack: Yeah, I could totally. Yeah. I don't know if you want to argue your own point. Sure. Yeah. My point was.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If it is a one way gate, how is that any less one way than a Shadow Realm gate where they can only come in?

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: You know. Yeah. It's exactly the same idea. So there's too many similarities here to ignore. Now let's break apart some of these details. Other than the size and the fact that we got five doorways, which brings up a thousand questions. I hope it's more than one destination in the same realm. Because then I'm confused about. Then what the h*** are the other three doorways? Because, okay. Elfame and Shadow. And then what were the Norse people closer to it? And it was closer to seven. They had five or seven or nine.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: If there are two doorways that are purely different destinations and the other three are supposed to be different destinations, then. Holy. But again, it could most likely just be like Earthrealm Destination 1, Earthrealm Destination 2, and Shadow Realm Destination 1, Shadow Realm Destination 2, and Alfame. Or all elfame destinations. You know, it could just be whatever. Who knows?

Cristina: Yeah. And be impossible to know.

Jack: Yeah. The lines coming from the structure, the ones lined up with the solstice, are called the avenue.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Just giving that information if you feel it's relevant. It consists of groves and connecting lines, and they connect to the nearby river near Stonehenge. Now, where I landed here initially was looking for disturbances and things. I did find weird disturbances and things. And you dive into these reported oddities. You would find reported oddities very quickly. This is when temperatures drop suddenly in climate. You just go ahead and go into the Weather Channel, find a location just like, okay, where. Where have there been abnormal spikes that you guys have been like, huh? And then there'll be weird registrations, and you can like, oh, what year was this? Or whatever. Now, when you do that, you can find consistent spots of weird kind of activity like that. And then if you go and find. Sometimes it's nothing. 99% of the time, it's nothing. It's like, well, you're in a weird hole that you can't really tell in the map. And so wind always works this way here. And so there's an updraft that always sends all the hot air up, and then this causes all the cold air down. So it's abnormally cold here always.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's like, okay, yeah, that makes sense. But sometimes you're in a place where that shouldn't be happening. Like a giant empty field in the middle of nowhere. There should be no cold air just suddenly collecting different than the surrounding areas.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So when that does happen, maybe you.

Cristina: Look into it and also what's happening.

Jack: Yeah. And so you look into the fact that, like, holy. So this place is just a giant cold spot place, and it's already Stonehenge.

Cristina: That's pretty strange.

Jack: I got here through the cold, and then I'm like, holy. Really?

Cristina: No, we got there through the cold.

Jack: I got there through the cold. I wasn't like, oh, Stonehenge. How weird is this place? It's like, it's Stonehenge, and we're just weird people who. It was probably really easy to build, and we're just like, What a mystery. Except, d***. Okay. Like, everything was justified the deeper you dig. Yeah, fair enough. Everybody was right. It's weird. Weird. It's strange.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I was hypocrite. I'm like, everybody's an idiot and easily Impressed. And we could have probably built this easily. It was like definitely. It's not about that. We could have definitely 1000% have built it. That's not the point. It's what it looks like, where it is and why. That's where it's like, oh f***. Yeah, we could have built it. But why did we build it? Why, why did we built it? So the legends that got me here initially there was a story about the devil that bought these stones from a woman.

Cristina: The devil somewhere.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That bought these stones from a woman and he bought the stones in Ireland and he brought these stones from Ireland and he took these stones and he placed them here and he was to humiliate the woman. Salisbury Plains, by the way, is the part in England where it is Salisbury Plains in England. So he puts them there, positions him and he's like, hahaha, nobody's ever gonna know why these are here. Yeah, she's never gonna, she's gonna tell everybody. Oh, he tricks me and he put them there and nobody's ever gonna believe her. And the people who do find these are never gonna know why they're here and it's gonna be ridiculous. And hahaha. That's like a real folklore story. I don't understand sort of the premise of it, but yeah, like, the devil tricked her. It's probably some sort of like money moral story. Don't give your money to the devil because going to humiliate you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or some like that.

Cristina: That works. Sure.

Jack: Now, dancing stones, there were some ballerinas or something. Giants. Because of the area where. And keep in mind the area we're talking about is England. So we're right next to Ireland, right next to like the northern part of Europe where we're getting like weird fringe and like we got the, the Vikings up there and crap like that. So giants. Giants.

Cristina: Do they mean giants as in giant giants?

Jack: They mean tall giants. Not as the right. Nephilim. Giants.

Cristina: Okay, just checking.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: But also Nephilim were huge too. That they could be both sizes according to some. So whatever the case might be. But giants the words.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so that these stones were actually giant ballerinas dancing that had been petrified suddenly. And so that's what it looks like. They were in the middle of choreography.

Cristina: And then something just scared them.

Jack: Something not scared them, petrified. Turn them to stone.

Cristina: Turn them to stone. Oh, okay. Was it Medusa? Okay.

Jack: Don't know.

Cristina: What a weird story.

Jack: Another story is that they were placed there by deities or something and had Healing properties, you know, basically.

Cristina: I'm sure. Sure.

Jack: That's the obvious one, right? Yeah, I see. I like. I don't like the duh. But then I came across a sentence where I was like, okay, because. Because that. To that point, I'm like, okay, maybe there's cold spots and stone change, but.

Cristina: Like, there's nothing there.

Jack: This is stupid. Yeah. Like, it's getting pretty dumb. There's nothing. And you look at these stories deeper, you dive into any of them, and it's like, you guys are crazy. There's no basis here for anything. It doesn't connect anything. It doesn't make sense. It's nonsense. It's nonsense. It's legit folklore.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Until the title of one story, I didn't even have to jump into story yet. It said the fairy Stone, which just justified so many things I already had in my mind.

Cristina: The Fairy Stone.

Jack: Yeah. I already looked at these and I'm like, I see what this is. And I'm already like, yeah, exactly. And I'm like, this circle. Huh? I see what this is. I see a gate. I see fairies, you know?

Cristina: Yeah, I see.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. It's all there. I see weird things. And then this person's like, the Fairy Stone.

Cristina: I'm like, oh, that makes sense. Yeah. Okay, but say more interesting.

Jack: So this local legend was basically that fairies built this place, and it literally. Literally. The legend is not me adding any sauce to this, that it serves as a portal to the fairy realm and other realms.

Cristina: And other realms.

Jack: Yeah. But okay, it's. It could just be multiple destinations in one room. It doesn't say each story is a different realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So.

Cristina: Yeah, I'm thinking that's exactly what we thought, though.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah, that's crazy.

Jack: Now this 100% serves the fact that people have seen the weirdest s*** here too.

Cristina: Bigfoot, I don't know. Like what?

Jack: No, like werewolves.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: But when you see a werewolf in the middle of nowhere, you're not really seeing a werewolf. You're seeing something that kind of looks like a werewolf. You're seeing, like, a wet shudder and dingo, you know, it's the spot where you would see that, which the theory is, then something must have happened here longer ago from this point that made this the viable spot for this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It must be so long ago that it predates any of our ability to track recorded records and that we have to find, like, tracking down the Aliasians and, like, finding out about Loi Shreds. A little tiny sliver of a mention somewhere Must exist. About that, about this spot. Something must have happened here.

Cristina: It was what it is. Before the stones.

Jack: Yes, before the stones. And we're talking that you guys have a area that seems to connect to multiple points from one place. The amount of entered. There must be something. There must be a lot of some things in shred. Just a tiny sliver. But a thousand times, because enough people would have known about however much death took place to make that work. I believe that's trackable. I believe that must be incredibly trackable. We just don't have this, the context of philosophy, the sort of thought tools to be like, if I see it here, then I can apply that logic over there. But you have five portals in one location that go to different destiny. It doesn't matter how many. They could all be on Earth. You have five portals in one destination. Bare minimum. If every doorway is a portal, how many people died to make it work?

Cristina: How many people died?

Jack: Do you see why it couldn't be? I don't think it could be. I don't think they could all be doorways. And also like, what?

Cristina: No, it couldn't be.

Jack: There must be some channeling nature to them.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know how, but like.

Jack: Because they're also connected. There's something weird there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't understand the design for that.

Cristina: But it makes sense in the way that the house makes sense. Like she did so much crazy things that look like nonsense. But it made it work. We don't need to know what it is, but obviously it takes a lot of whatever.

Jack: Yes, it's random things we know about this place. It only works twice a year.

Cristina: What do you mean works?

Jack: It only works. These gates only work twice a year.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: During autumn, during summer solstice and during winter solstice. Yeah, so that's an interesting point. It's null and void, easy to keep track of if you have enemies on the other side. Only once a year do you post anybody to watch, you know, trade happens only once a year. Is this a hotspot? Which brings up an interesting point. It is suggested that it is also a trade center. It has resemblances to other trade centers from other cultures. So that it is a trade center of sorts. Now, if we had people from the Shadow Realm trading with people from Earth Realm. Oh, were we also trading with people from Elfame? Because if we're finding that they need gates and we are finding evidence here and there scarcely that maybe they are just another layer. They might be higher up than us, but they are still equal.

Cristina: I don't know. That doesn't make sense to me. I don't know. I always imagine that there's so much above.

Jack: Well, they wouldn't trade with us per se as much as like, volition. The Alicians do you see?

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: And then military action makes a lot of sense, which then takes into account that what we are interpreting as Firewalls. Yes, firewalls. But even within our own discussion, the firewalls are soldiers of sorts.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: And like. Well, the Alicians are a problem and they have other military. Just like in current day, for us, we have enemies and we position ourselves tactically around them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we're like, you move weird, we move weirder. So don't move weird. Look at where we are. Maybe that's really the move here when we. Because think about. We know the story very vividly. There starts to be a move, a push towards the Jesus project. And suddenly the people of Elfhame show up and the elves are like, okay, our job has begun. You know, as soon as Alexander begins his role. And we start seeing the motions from Jehovah and we start to see the parts in motion to kind of create Jesus, which is about 150 to 200 years. Alexander starts about 300 years back. That's the same time the way Hermes is starting to kick up his whatever, most important project.

Cristina: When do we see the fairies?

Jack: The fairies start about 300 years, which is the same point we get to Alexander. That's coinciding. That was the most important point of that episode. But it just so all happens to line up there.

Jack: Maybe it was. Oh, f***. They started to move weird. Mobilize the soldiers.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, the people of Elfame started to do whatever, you know, their nuclear project has begun. Okay. Let's make sure they know where we're. That we're here. So, you know, put some elves here, put some elves there, put some elves over here and they'll know. Make sure all their people are in check so that they remember who we are.

Cristina: Yes, but not us.

Jack: Not us. The people from Elfhame. Specifically, Mab. Giving directions.

Cristina: No, I'm saying, like, they're not watching over us. The humans here, we're watching over.

Jack: They're watching the people of Elfame. Yeah, the elves are watching the people of Elfhame.

Cristina: The elves are watching the people from Elfhame.

Jack: Yeah. Trying to keep them in check. Or that was a point.

Cristina: Alfame is where they go.

Jack: I mean, my bad. The Alicians.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: My Bad. The elves are watching the Alicians.

Cristina: Yeah. Yes. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: The elves were watching the Elysians. That's what I meant to say.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. Okay, that makes sense.

Jack: So their whole purpose was that they.

Cristina: Come and watch, they sing the weird.

Jack: Stuff, and then Jesus, they see that the Elysians start the ball rolling for the Jesus Christ project. That really got out of hand to begin with for everybody.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Which, like, fair. Okay, let's give Mab some credit if the image that's building is accurate. The same way that we give Jehovah credit for telling Lucifer, like, calm the f*** down. You're gonna kill them all.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That same logic is ultimately what Mabsaw. And we're gonna say that Jehovah was so cocky, he thought he was equal the same way Lucifer did.

Cristina: Oh, right. Yeah.

Jack: Jehovah's sin is the same sin that he judged Lucifer for. I know. Just as much. But, like, d***, dude. Ma' am saw it coming, bro.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: She was trying to stop it, and now here we are. Jesus is out there. You did it. Yeah, she tried.

Cristina: And the days are coming, and he's gonna come back, and. Yeah, whatever.

Jack: She knew you'd start the apocalypse, homie. Yeah, she knew. And you're like, nah, Lucifer's gonna do it. And it's like, nah. She's like, nah, you're gonna do it.

Cristina: And he did it.

Jack: Funny enough, all the evidence tells us that she somehow ended up in the creation of everything beneath her by creating Yalda, who then created everything beneath him. So, like, that's her fault. Whatever is gonna end her universe, too, is her fault.

Cristina: And.

Jack: And somebody up there was like, don't do this. This is stupid. You're gonna kill us all. And then she did anyways, and now she's trying to control it in her.

Cristina: Creature, her creations created something. Who created something.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That's gonna destroy it all.

Jack: Yeah. It's nobody's fault, but everybody's fault.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Right. This is ultimately what's happening.

Cristina: Turtles all the way down.

Jack: It turtles all the way down. It always turtles all the f****** way down. It's absurd. It's so absurd that we. It doesn't matter where we look, if you have the context to look. So I'm gonna give you the details that don't matter because the puzzle was too obvious. Seeing the shape from the outside.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We're too informed. We looked at it. We're like, I know what this is.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We both saw the same f****** thing. You didn't need s*** else.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You just saw the circle in the field. You're like fairies and you're like, the gate. That's a gate. That's only a gate. And then I tell you it's 3,000 years earlier and you're like, oh, it's just a primitive version of the same thing. That one's made of stone and this one is made of poles. It's the same f****** thing. Time changed how it looked. Yeah, that's it. That means Jesus didn't invent the gate. Point number one.

Cristina: No, he was taught about the gate, I think.

Jack: By who? Because he taught a bunch of people a bunch of random s***. You're totally right.

Cristina: That's how I know about the stones in the shadow realm, man.

Jack: He has a rat in there.

Cristina: I don't. I has to be. It has. It was too, too easy. I understand he's probably like Santa Claus that he can sense things, but d***. But like day and a half easy.

Jack: A day and a half in a jumbled mess. Get the out of here now. Dude, it's too easy. He showed up on the other side and somebody's like, follow me, I'll show you. Yes, I would love to see the movie on that. That must be the most epic movie. Jesus, right? Just pops up. He just experienced the movie begins at the most horrible moment of the crucifixion. Great scene, right? Super dark, super horrible. Maybe like five minutes of it happening. Super horror. And then he dies. And then darkness. We hear crying in the background. Whatever, you know, old Israeli music or whatever is gonna kick in. And then a heartbeat. And then. And then he just like, he starts to panic. And then he opens his eyes and. Okay, now he's. He's looking around. He's looking around. Then he just sees something. A. Something's there. He doesn't know what the f*** it is. Kind of looks like a person. Kind of looks like a silhouette. He can't make out what it is. Shadowy looking, like, what. What is this ambiguous thing? And that person Sundays, we have two days. Follow me. Best intro ever.

Cristina: I don't know if the time works the same over there either.

Jack: Exactly. Oh, my God. Maybe it's less. Maybe it's more. No, it's probably more. Who knows? You're totally right. He could have been over there for a super long time.

Cristina: Yeah, we don't know.

Jack: Crazy a** adventure.

Cristina: It's just here. It was two days.

Jack: Yeah. Oh, I never thought about that. Interesting. I like that. Yeah, because it is weird over there.

Cristina: It's weird. So we don't know. And also he Got those stones. Too easy.

Jack: Too easy. Could have been forever. Had to be.

Cristina: Right now he's working with the shadow realm creatures. Like, there has to be a leader that decided this was a good idea.

Jack: Did it Safer to work with Jesus. Yeah, I don't even know. Anyways. Anyways. Going through a bunch of crap. Weirdly enough, I do find a direct mention to this in text. Weird. So in 1136 AD, a man named Geoffrey of Monmouth claimed be very ready for the following sentence. Because this is the trippiest part. This confuses the entire plot that we've devised here because what he says is too on the nose. And then it's like, oh, s***. He specifically and literally puts into writing what? Merlin did this. He did this thousands of years ago. He constructed Stonehenge. Literally, it goes. He constructs the stonehead hundreds of years prior by transporting stones collected near and in Ireland to where they rest now. Now, there's too much accurate information going on there. There's too much accurate information with the devil story.

Cristina: And because I could have been like, fairy, like, talking crap about him.

Jack: Yes. You see the painting that they immediately made, the devil now suddenly made sense because of how they like the twist stories.

Cristina: Yeah. He could have stolen those. He stole those stones from fairies.

Jack: Now, locations tells you everything you need to know. Where did the stones come from? Ireland. And where?

Cristina: I already missed it. What did you say?

Jack: The sentence specifically said shocking. Ireland and places near Ireland.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That tells us one important, important location, which is the Isle of Man.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah. Where this fairy garden is, I guess. I don't know what to call it.

Jack: Necromancer built a portal. The power of a fairy portal. That's what we're seeing?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He built a monstrously colossal, incredibly intricate, complicated portal that works to access fairy locations. I don't know. And I don't think it could access shadow realm locations because of the rule that seems to happen naturally that we're observing where all of the shadow realm connections. But our one and only fairy realm connection doesn't have a pyramid in f****** sight.

Cristina: I don't think he has the ability to travel the fairy world because as far as we know, necromancers can travel easily. Easily. But like, they're not in the ferry. They're using it somehow to travel here. Easily.

Jack: Yes. The point, there's a way that they're moving through that space.

Cristina: Yes. So then those would be his portals to probably go into other places here.

Jack: Unless those are his portals to literally go into there while he has other ways to move through again. If this turns out to be just another layer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then what we're thinking is a satellite could literally be him literally being there.

Cristina: In the fairy world.

Jack: In the fairy world, like necromancers are actually getting there.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Because they're another layers or not some inaccessible other location. If they are just another physical layer to us at. And they know how to do that. And the story is a necromancer called Merlin, hundreds of years prior to the writing of the moment, according to the writing, built Stonehenge with stones stolen from fairies.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This is kind of heavily on the nose. I could have guessed half of the story had you asked me, you know, like, that's how on point this is.

Cristina: Yeah. That's kind of crazy.

Jack: If you told me where I'd go find some fairy stones, I would instantaneously say somewhere near Ireland.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: It would have to be the Isle of Man or some kind of place along the coast. The end.

Cristina: Ridiculous. That's great. This is a crazy story.

Jack: This s*** is so on the nose.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So I was kind of blown away by that. And. Yeah. So look, this is another one of those scenarios where there isn't any one thing literally saying that, but all the.

Cristina: Individual parts are like, definitely that.

Jack: Like, what the f*** else could it be?

Cristina: What else could it be? I think that's it.

Jack: Yeah. It's just very old and withered and not used. Or maybe it works at this point, but people go there at the point nothing happens.

Cristina: Well, they wouldn't be able to do anything. Like it would take one of him to. To use it. Like it probably does work.

Jack: How do we know people have been there during the solstice and it does nothing.

Cristina: Why would it do something for them?

Jack: Well, it's possible this is more than just a one way gate. I don't know if it is. Maybe it is that somehow there's just. But there must be a gate that must be one way from here out to somewhere. And if you put two of those next to each other.

Cristina: But you still need to have the knowledge of necromancers.

Jack: Yeah, but so you built it and then what? You don't. You need the knowledge of a necromancer to activate it too?

Cristina: Maybe.

Jack: Fair enough. That could totally be the case. But if you look at this image, you'll notice that there's a bunch of little details that are no longer present. On top of the fact that most of the structure, the outer circle, is broken at Stonehenge.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Do you see? I believe that if this is in fact the transmutation circle. We're looking at a broken transmutation circle. The reason it doesn't work is because it can't channel the energy. It's broken.

Cristina: Okay. And they're never going to fix it because they can't.

Jack: They can't fix it. If they do, then they're ruining this relic. They would have to try to replicate the design elsewhere and see if they can get its function going, which includes all of these small little details made of something called bluestone.

Cristina: What is blue stone?

Jack: It's a kind of stone.

Cristina: Where is that from? Is that from Ireland or something nearby, like those other.

Jack: All the stones are from nearby? Yeah, they're all from like Ireland and like local areas. The whole structure was made like that. But then there's a bunch of different things. Look at north barrel, look at the south barrow. There's a station stone. Station stone. It looked like it was a multi purpose device. There are many theories on what this in fact was. It's not just a calendar. As much as some people are like, oh yeah, it's some sort of energy channeling device or it's some sort of starscope or it's some sort of astrological measurement device or something like there's many. That's the point. It looks like it is all of it. Now let's end this on a very important note. All the stones that are horizontal and all the stones that are little circular ones on the outside are lined up with stars. All of them.

Cristina: You think teleportation to space then?

Jack: Teleportation. Not just the different realms. I think there's five gates. And if one would go to like Mount Ka, and if one would go to somewhere in the shadow realm that El Castillo connected to, then you have three destinations left, Right? That's one in Earth realm, one in Shadow realm. So then you say one wherever the Egyptians went to that somehow people are still connecting to space. Yeah, that's somewhere else. And one wherever the Mayans went to underground and one wherever the Alicians went to.

Cristina: No way. Maybe, I guess. I mean, it's. It's a necromancer. They can do whatever.

Jack: Do whatever. All these, these are just random suggestions, right? They could be any. You could assign any random 5. If a necromancer built this, which is.

Cristina: The accusation, which makes a little sense. I don't know.

Jack: I think that makes the most sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like, then you got these five doorways. What five evened out things could we assign to those? They must go to five sort of equal places. And if it's realms, then we'd only have two, because you're already in one.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Unless there's repetition doesn't matter. And if repetition doesn't matter, we can have that many doorways, we can have every single one of those doorways could actually be one. Maybe they make total sense. You know, maybe it's like three next to each other. Like, this one goes to that part, or if that one goes to this part Earth, this one goes to that part Earth. And those four over there in a row are all the Shadow Realm. Those seven are this place. And this goes. You know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Could easily be something like that. And in the case like that, if, let's say a person from Nordic background walked really, really far, landed in this place, and was explained that. Well, this one goes to some people who live underwater. And this one goes to some people who are really good working underground. And this one goes to some people who are really good at working in the skies. Oh, and also the people from the skies work with really good energy, and the people over here work with really great genetics and the people over there. And so you start to explain this system. And slowly but surely, this Nordic person is like, those three are up, but they're different kinds of up. That's down.

Cristina: Saying that's what made their legends.

Jack: It kind of starts to paint an interesting picture. Right.

Cristina: But how many do they have? Don't they have 7?

Jack: 5? 7 or 9?

Cristina: 5, 7 or 9. Oh.

Jack: Depending on which branch of their tradition. You pull from five, seven or nine.

Cristina: But it's impossible to tell what's the original.

Jack: Yeah. And here we have five, which is one of those.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're just throwing, you know, spitballing the way we do. Love just so happens to fit many suits.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And I think it's 90% at least. Definitely. It's 100% a gate territory. That's not a question.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Where it goes very related is like 90% the question or the answer. Most likely.

Cristina: Most likely. I would say most likely.

Jack: That's about it. It doesn't seem that there's no. Is the first instance of gates and no associations. Like it's Auto Mountain or some s***.

Cristina: But related to Merlin, man.

Jack: That's a weird one.

Cristina: That's a weird one.

Jack: But also he seems kind of op.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: And this is way before whatever mess.

Cristina: He was in with author.

Jack: Yeah. This dude said, thousands of years ago, this guy made this s***. It's like, whoa, whoa, wait. How do you know Merlin that well, bro? How do you know thousands of years ago.

Cristina: Are there more Moreland stories? Because I thought author was the Merlin story.

Jack: You know what's weird? I have seen, like two or three that are allegedly taking place before. I'm like, okay, so he must be some older legend that got tangled up and turned into Merlin, right?

Cristina: Yeah, like Santa Claus.

Jack: Yeah. So if we follow that, I bet that guy's named Hermes somewhere.

Cristina: No. What if they all go back to.

Jack: Hermes where he's a student, you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or I could trace the line back and he's like, at the Aristotle school.

Cristina: We'll find out that they're all Hermes except for the one student, which is Jesus.

Jack: Yes, that be. That would. That would make so much sense.

Cristina: I would.

Jack: That's the most possible story. It's either a bunch of necromancers that we're slowly gonna uncover. Or two.

Cristina: Or two.

Jack: Or two. The guy who made it and guy who perfected it.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, I don't know.

Jack: Anyways.

Cristina: So crazy.

Jack: This has been Stonehenge, people. This is what I found. All the shapes and weird. Interesting. I didn't focus on those stories as much. Again, there were stories. There were many ghost stories. The basic stories. If you guys want a quick brush up. There's a lot of stories about, you know, phantasms, cold spots. There are again, many werewolves. There are vampire stories that take place there. People visiting it and, like, passing out and having blank marks and blah, blah, blah. From, like, many years ago. Yeah, thousands of years. Not thousands, hundreds of years ago. Medieval times, specifically.

Cristina: Many years ago is fine.

Jack: Yeah, long ago. There is recurring voices. There are moving shadows. But all of this just fits the suit of a place with high disturbances.

Cristina: Yes. Any time disturbances, though? You never mentioned that.

Jack: No. So interesting enough, there doesn't seem to be any other than echoes of people. There doesn't seem people slipping in and out of time. People being there for a couple of minutes and it seeming longer or being there really long and assuming a couple of minutes. Or seeing things that should be out of time moving around them. Other than what we would classify as a ghost echo.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which are a plethora, every variation of every version of ghosts. And then what we would call phantasms and what we would call spirits, which are most likely just gin and creatures from the chaperone. All of those. Yes.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Time distortions. No. But based on paranormal activity in general, we have our suspected space time anomaly or disturbance, which then literally brought us to the right conclusion of something weird is going on here.

Cristina: Interesting. And then this place might relate to Merlin.

Jack: To Merlin. Of all people. It's interesting how we keep coming back to the same kind of.

Cristina: It's either him or Hermes. And if they're the same, that'd be funny.

Jack: That'd be funny. More names for the same guy. He just keeps doing it. Which would explain why Jesus did the same thing. And then it brings up an interesting point. That was loi training to be the same because there seems to be many people who took that name. Or is it just last name?

Cristina: I don't know. No, I think it's. No, I don't know. I don't know anymore. It might all be one person. I don't know. That's complicated.

Jack: Only one person has ever existed.

Cristina: It's three people. No, it's one person. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. Anyways, if you guys have any information, hit us up on our socials and tell us what you discover on your searches to better information and understanding. And you can do that on all our socials at just convopod, on TikTok, on X, on Facebook, not on YouTube, but Instagram.

Cristina: And. Yeah. Whoa. That's crazy. I mean, they were, like, doing it slowly.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: They just got tired of it.

Jack: Yeah. They slowly were like, let's not take one at a time.

Cristina: Take the whole thing. That's so wild. I took that so long. But. Okay, well, remember to subscribe, rate, and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And Word of God mouth, it's very important to tell people that we're getting to the bottom and grounding the world's most absurd and baffling ideals.

Cristina: Very baffling.

Jack: Very.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: By. Okay, Random thing we just saw and noticed and thought about right as we ended.

Cristina: How we didn't notice. We were talking about it. We were so close to it. The. What is it? The Merlin gates and Jesus's Shinto gates. We're wondering who taught Jesus all of.

Jack: Everything, especially how he gets these gates.

Cristina: How he got these gates, how did Jesus do it?

Jack: And then we see that the Shinto gates are an identical design to Merlin's gates used at Stonehenge. Just a more primitive version at stonehenge, but about 3,000 years older.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Shock. I wonder who taught Jesus.

Cristina: Huh? Huh?

Jack: Just tossing that at the end. Anyways, thanks for listening.

Cristina: Thank you. Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo, and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 240: The Earth Gods

What are the true goals of these global research teams? How did the Maya interact with the Egyptians? And how many of these groups exist? Continuing the trail of Elfame scientist Oros, the duo deep dive into the Maya people and discover details previously unknown to them. As they inch closer to the truth more questions arise leaving  confusing breadcrumbs to follow. But with one new important piece of information, a door to a baffling new series of paths to follow opens.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

  • Spirit Gods
  • Itzamna
  • City Chichén Itzá
  • Ix Chel
  • Advanced Agricultural Development
  • Cizin
  • God of Death
  • Ruler of the Shadow Realm
  • El Castillo (The Castle)
  • Alignment
  • Portal to Qaf and The Shadow Realm
  • Creating Life
  • Data Storage Research
  • The Paris Codex
  • Energy Storage Research
  • Dresden Codex
  • Portal Research
  • Madrid Codex
  • The Sea People
  • Jacawitz
  • Secret Shadow Realm Research Team

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+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in five, four.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd, baffling ideas. And as of in Fate Infinity. It seems now we've been following this weird, unraveling narrative about the sea people, the Shadow Realm. Now Elfame is included, Adrenochrome, and a series of other events that seem to all coincide and exist together, including Jesus.

Cristina: Christ, Jesus, aliens, etc.

Jack: Etc. Etc. So when we discovered Elfhame, which is essentially the magic realm, one of the three realms, all the other realms really collapse into the three realms, which are the Shadow Realm, Earthrealm, and Elfame. Although it seems like in Greek mythology there's nine, In Norse mythology, there's nine. In Christian mythology, there's three. Three. But it doesn't seem the same three. The three kind of exist. They're spoken of the way that all of they only address three that seem to all be part of the Earth Realm, and then the Shadow realm briefly as Limbo. So kind of almost everywhere they leave out Alfame, which is the actual third realm. They discuss a number of other things as though their realms, but they're not. Anyways, in Elfame, it seems that the God of gods is made, as we have established the God named Mab, which is again, we use gods as a terminology that simply shows up in texts and documents. But at this point we've established that seemingly everything is advanced civilizations of the past and a crap ton of science. Yes, science that looks different depending where they do it. And it looks magical because of the leaps and bounds from everyone around them.

Cristina: It's actually magic.

Jack: It doesn't mean it's actually.

Cristina: We just don't get it.

Jack: Exactly, exactly. The best way to describe it is sciences from different physics. Yes, it's the best way to put it. So one of the things that we came across was the quote, God Oros, created by a bigger God, AKA scientist. So a science. I'm assuming Oros is some sort of homunculus or artificial life form, a lot like an Android or something along those things. But it could have been the first successful. Whatever everybody else is trying to do.

Cristina: Yes, the goal, whatever that goal is. Okay.

Jack: And Oros makes what is what we refer to as Sanaga, which is a serpent race, sort of artificial serpent race. And last week we traced Oros to see where it would take us if we tried to like cross reference Oros, his creations, and what we already know is involved in this bigger narrative. Right, because we know Elfin created Oros and told Oros to send his creations, one each, to the most technologically advanced civilizations across the realms.

Cristina: Shirsi is not related to us. Like, she didn't make us and leave us to go over there or anything like that.

Jack: There's no way to know. We don't know anything about Mab.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Other than she.

Cristina: She has made those things that are in that other.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. We don't know anything other than that. And that she made the three goddesses that are probably the creators of life across the other two realms.

Cristina: Okay. They're responsible.

Jack: I think they're the gods, quote unquote, that have made the life that exists in the other two realms.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And probably that just. I think we should stop saying gods and establish that they are scientists. These are a bunch of scientists and magnitudes that we don't understand. The easiest way to understand it would be to go back to an episode called the Kardashev scale, which explains giant magnitudes of power that exists simply scientifically, starting at us. We're not even magnitude 1. Magnitude 1 uses the entire power of a planet. Magnitude 2 uses the entire power of a star. Magnitude 3 uses the entire power of several stars. Magnitude 4 uses galaxies, magnitude 5, several galaxies, so on and so forth, until you have the power to control entire universes, multiverses, so on and so forth.

Cristina: Ridiculous. So we don't know where she is.

Jack: She must be bare minimum, beyond the point of a universe. It must be that level of advance. And this is assuming. This would lead us to assume that she is just one of many and that, like, that's the only reference we can understand of her. But there's. There has to be stuff over her. She might just be one scientist, okay? But the level of power we're discussing is incomprehensible to us.

Cristina: But all we know is she is the top, from what we've gathered.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. She's the top of. At least from our perspective. We don't know. And it's probably not. She's probably not.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Everything is fractal. Everything is the same all the way up, everything is the same all the way down. And so if we follow her, this should play out that way. Anyways, last week we were talking and we found, cross referencing Oros, we could successfully track the Egyptians and the entire lineage. We found the serpent that was sent there, the Naga that was sent there by Oros, which Was Wadjet one of them.

Cristina: And we found that Shadow people working with them.

Jack: We saw the Shadow people were working with them. That the Shadow people also had a Naga. That was their complicated name. I don't remember it and. Or kind of remember it. I saw it was. I'm not gonna try to pronounce. But anyways, Ra, the leader of the group, and Adam, another leader of a group they have. They create a team of researchers that are presumably all the way in the Great Void right now. The Great Void in space.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Because they made teleportation technology and the ability to control immense energy and store immense energy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So there was another group of people that seem to be very, very, very, very, very involved with the Sea People as well, and had identical records stored with them. Now, we didn't know what the point of these or how. How primarily. And we. The point of going through Oros and his children is to find all the connecting links. All the most powerful civilizations, of which there are a bunch. But a lot of them are insignificant in power by comparison, even if they're highly advanced compared to normal people.

Cristina: And we weren't sure whether they were enemies or friends or what was going on. And it seems like who the Naga, whether it was the fairy people or the Shadow people or humans like their relationships to each other. But with the Egyptians, it looked like.

Jack: Everyone was working together, at least in that case. Yes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: At least in that scenario. We had a good example of the research team called the Shad, the Sun Gods, working together. And this was a coalition of creatures from Elf fame in the form of the Naga, creatures from the Shadow Realm and creatures from Earth Realm and the Sea People, which are from EarthRealm. But we got to discuss them separately.

Cristina: Yes, because they seem human or they are, but they're not.

Jack: Doesn't matter if they're human or not. Yes, because not everything we're discussing is even necessarily human. We have no idea if any of the creatures from earthrealm are necessarily human. We just know they're from earthrealm and way advanced. It could be a different lineage of some intelligent life form. But the Sea People have to be discussed separately because of the leap of technology from the next best thing. They're so far out there. But last week's episode was the Sun Gods, and it was establishing that. That, yes, there is a team of people across all three realms kind of working together for some unknown purpose. And it seems like we're closing in on something like they're trying to get to. We already know that Jesus was most likely made to try to get into Alfame. We know that Joseph was made probably to try to get there. And with the information we got last.

Cristina: Week, someone betrayed the group.

Jack: Yes, but it seems that they were also trying to build enough energy. Yes, and a teleportation device. And they have all the things needed to make Jesus in the first place. And all of this seemed to be aiming in that direction. So as far as we know, getting into Alfame seems to be the primary goal of everybody.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So allow us to introduce today's episode, the Earth Gods.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: Now, following Oros, there was a second group of people who were as connected as the Egyptians. That would be the Maya.

Cristina: The Maya.

Jack: But the Maya are all the way in Guatemala, the border of Mexico, way over there. How are they even connected?

Cristina: How?

Jack: So we follow Oros and we cross reference Oros and the Maya. Let us begin. Oros had one child that he named Kukulkan. And Kokulkan is a Naga. Like we have seen a pattern of a feathered serpent. This has been showing everywhere.

Cristina: Yes. Now, wait, but this is his only son. What are the other things?

Jack: I didn't say that's his only son. He said he had a son.

Cristina: Oh, for some reason, I thought you said only like what?

Jack: Okay, this is one of his children.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So, yeah, named Kukulkan. And Kukulkan is a serpent like the rest of them. A feathered serpent like the rest of them. We call them children. They're probably just his experiments. For all we know, using his DNA or whatever it is he has. Anyways, so he goes to the Maya, this advanced developing civilization, and he goes to side with. Now it's we before we knew they went to help civilizations. As we dug deeper, we found out that they seem to almost be assigned to individuals.

Cristina: Yeah, right.

Jack: They seem to assign to individuals. And not even assigned. They just go to whoever's the leader of whatever most advanced civilization.

Cristina: Dude, I was like, I'm gonna be the leader.

Jack: Yeah, he told the abandoned post. But Kakul Ken goes and joins the Mayan leader, called it Zamna and Itzamna again. Mayan leader is very similar in a lot of ways. Tara, the scientist of some scientist astronomer. He developed the Mayan written language and the Mayan calendar.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: And he established herbal medicine for the Mayan people and the city of Chichen Itza. Okay, so this is a very important man. Very scientifically inclined, very powerful, very resourceful, very useful. Of course, Kukulkan would go to his side to assist him in developing this civilization with the beginning of the city Chichen Itza. So this is one of the largest cities, if not the largest city, depending where you're looking from or what sources you're looking at, is the largest city in the Mayan Empire.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Itzamna, again, the most interesting two details here are that he created the written language and the calendar, but is simultaneously an astronomer and a scientist. The this goes perfect the astronomy and science with the creation of a calendar. He's watching the stars and understanding how that breaks apart. Where it gets weird is the fact that he was also a capable of understanding medicine to such a degree. They created herbal medicine for the Mayans, and he created written language. This will later be very useful. Now this immediately becomes a very, very, very familiar scene.

Cristina: How so?

Jack: It's important to know that the Mayan people call many of their highest leaders spirit gods. They weren't just gods, as we know. All the scientists often are the ones labeled like the most powerful civilizations with the most powerful individuals are often called gods because there's a huge gap of division between them and the people that they keep out of their work. And at this point, I think words of the past God just meant scientists at this point, perhaps through time, the word God became scientists, which applies with how we look at things. Yeah, because science tries to tell us how the universe began the same way God tries to tell us how the universe began. There's a lot of similarities here. So I'm thinking as we see this over and over and over, it seems more and more likely that the word God in every instance translates to scientist. But something that kept showing up in these mythological researches and writings was spirit gods. Just gods that you would assume is already some sort of spiritual being. No, they made it very important to say spirit God in particular. And let me establish that Itzamna, the most important of them, was not a spirit God. He was just a God.

Cristina: I felt the spirit God underneath him or above him.

Jack: No, he's the highest, most important person.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And he's one of several. He's just the most important one. And they're not necessarily all called spirit gods. Only some of them are. I found this very interesting and very confusing. I had no reference point as to what they meant with the word spirit specifically until I dug a little deeper. Now let us bring into the picture. It's Amna's wife. Her name is Ixchel. Okay. This is immediately gonna answer so much. Ixchal is again the wife of Izamna, called by the people A spirit manifested from suffering.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Which remained on earth for a spirit manifested from suffering.

Cristina: What a horrible description. What?

Jack: No, it's not. It's a description we've heard a million times.

Cristina: Is it Jesus. I don't know. What? What is this description?

Jack: There is no way in h*** you're not connecting this most obvious of all dots.

Cristina: A spirit that.

Jack: A spirit that manifested through suffering.

Cristina: I don't know. Wow.

Jack: I might just wait until you connect the dots. I don't even understand how this is not clicking.

Cristina: What do you mean? How is it so obvious? A spirit? I don't know. She a banshee? I don't know.

Jack: What is a banshee?

Cristina: A fairy. A fairy. Right. Okay, so she's a fairy.

Jack: A banshee isn't a fairy.

Cristina: How are you?

Jack: How can you think fairy and still not even think of the Shadow Realm? And how everything over there shows up because of suffering? What?

Cristina: I thought Banshee was a fairy. And I thought fairies did come from the Shadow Realm, but they don't.

Jack: They come from Elfame.

Cristina: Okay, yes. No, I thought, like, from some of them came from the Shadow Realm. Not all of them.

Jack: I know there's no fairy comes from the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: But the banshee I thought was also a fairy. Yes.

Jack: This is before we had a bunch of information that elaborated on differences between creatures.

Cristina: Okay, but they're not fairies whatsoever.

Jack: I mean, a banshee might be a fairy. I don't know. But the point is, the Ix shell came with suffering.

Cristina: Yes, yes, yes. Okay. Shadow Realm creature.

Jack: Like everything in the Shadow Realm that has ever shown up on this side without there being a gate, it happened because of suffering. Sacrifices, fear. Which is suffering.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: How the h*** was that not just obvious as h***? We've been talking about this for like three years straight.

Cristina: She's a human. She's not.

Jack: I never said that specifically. Said a spirit manifested from suffering.

Cristina: But the guy is human.

Jack: I don't know. I also began by saying that we don't know that any of these scientists are necessarily human. Oh, just because Earth Realm does not mean human.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That is. I don't know what your inclination to connect humans.

Cristina: Because I thought he was a Mayan.

Jack: That doesn't mean he's human. The Mayan people who were left behind were human. But what are these? Why are there people way more advanced? There are Egyptians who are human now. But what the h*** happened to the great powerful Egyptians that were there first? Were they human who abandoned humanity? Or were there something else? We don't know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They are. We have no idea what these things are. They could have been human, but we do not know. We don't know. I have no idea how the h*** you weren't connect. I'm sure every listener who has followed up to now was screaming it. Because it's obviously a creature from the Shadow Realm. Obviously. There's nothing else. This could have been a spirit manifested from suffering. Nothing else. It could have been. We have not.

Cristina: She sounds like one of those ladies that were ghosts. I don't know which came from where, I don't remember.

Jack: 100 it was the shadow realm now.

Cristina: But I. I confused them with elves. I don't know.

Jack: Elves are. They could just move through their actual fairies just move through effortlessly. The fact that she needed a catalyst should have been the answer. Anyways. That sad, sad lapse of dot connecting aside, Ixchel has an unnamed serpent coiled on as a hair, as a headdress.

Cristina: Interesting. She has a snake too.

Jack: Yeah, it's unnamed and only speaks to Ixcho.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: No one has ever heard it speak, but they see her speaking to it and it responding, but they don't hear it. It's like whispering to her. And she's talking back to it. Yeah, they just know it communicates only with her. Unknown why, but she had her own.

Cristina: So it might be one of those Magas, whatever they call Maguas Naga.

Jack: It's definitely a Naga.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But now we have a very similar situation to the Sun Gods where Adam had his own serpent and so did Ra, and they were both part of the same group. So the Sun Gods had two. And here we are with the Earth Gods and they have two.

Cristina: Yes, and one of them in the other place was a Shadow realm. First scientist like this place, Adam. Yeah. So it's. It's mirroring in that way too.

Jack: Yes. The Ixchel comes and. Well, actually a few of them in the research team of the Sun Gods came from the Shadow Realm. I believe it was three. It was Adam and two more, I think.

Cristina: So it could be something like that in this party as well.

Jack: Could 100% be. Yeah. So things about Ixchel that matter. Not only is she the wife of Itzamna, which means he married a creature from the Shadow Realm. Which puts us even closer than just.

Cristina: It was hard to understand that she was a creature because like, you don't hear stories of people marrying shadow realm.

Jack: No, this is the first point exactly.

Cristina: That doesn't sound right.

Jack: But everything else about it should have. Had I started the other way around, he would have been like, okay, it's a creature from the shadow.

Cristina: Yeah. So saying he was married to her or she was his wife, like that seems like a normal person that's described as a ghost or something.

Jack: Doesn't say they had children of any sort though. Which because they probably couldn't mate.

Cristina: Yes, makes sense.

Jack: Yeah. Now very interesting detail here. It doesn't seem that they're equals even if she is his wife, because something that showed up repeatedly is that she was the assistant of Izamna, almost equal to Kukulkin.

Cristina: Which one's Kukulkin?

Jack: His serpent. His mother.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Now what were her duties? That becomes very interesting. Settling. She was a biologist, she was a botanist. And she single handedly advanced and developed the agricultural development of the Maya.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So between the two of them, they successfully turned the Maya empire into the colossal, monstrously large empire, most likely the largest civilization before modern day that existed. Yeah, and that's keeping in mind that the Sea people civilization wasn't even large as compared to a lot of these civilizations. It might have actually been the smallest.

Cristina: How do we know that?

Jack: Because of how small and focused all of their work was. The Maya was colossal. Egyptians. That was huge. I mean nowhere near the size of the Maya. That s***'s big as f***. But it was still big as f***. While at least while in the Persian Gulf oasis. That was small. The Palos Rakaras is small. Like it's not like literally the size of a city. Maybe smaller. Oh, less than New York. Manhattan, not state Manhattan, smaller.

Cristina: How big of the Mayan location?

Jack: All of Guatemala, some of Mexico.

Cristina: Oh, okay, yeah.

Jack: Size of countries. Okay, well casual. Casual like size difference is colossal. It's like why the. I guess the focus of the sea people is exaggerated. But also they were very private. But not at the beginning. They shared stuff, but they're. Except their home.

Cristina: Except their home.

Jack: Important detail. They shared everything except their home. To the point the rest of the Persians felt alienated from them. Interesting, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So even while they were sharing, they were so private. So yeah, they developed this huge, colossal, monstrous sized civilization. Now enter the last member of the Earth gods sizen.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: As referred to by the people of Maya, a spirit allured by death.

Cristina: Another shadow realm creature.

Jack: The shadow realm creature, referred to specifically as the God of death. Now interesting things about this guy according to the Maya seemed capable of suddenly appearing where tragedies and death occurred.

Cristina: Did they say what he was doing around the area? He just happens to be there.

Jack: Whatever, hanging out, whatever shadow people do. None of that matters because the next next Bullet point makes him maybe the most important thing we've heard of so far. Which makes him more important than Autumn, who created an entire successful civilization in the Shadow Realm. More important than Jehovah of the Dark, which seems to be the big issue.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: More important than the creatures we've seen come from over there that aren't evil, sadistic monsters. Specifically, how they refer to it is that he was the ruler of the underworld.

Cristina: That's different.

Jack: This individual might be the most powerful individual to have come from the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: The top of the food chain hanging out there.

Jack: Interesting, though.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, descriptions of him. There's not a lot of descriptions of the others. There's a lot of descriptions. They were very. He left an impression. He dresses with the decomposed bodies of those he ate to become leader in the underworld.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: Is sustained. Oh, man. This is the most important part, I suppose, because he doesn't seem to just be able to stay over here. Somehow Ixchell and Autumn and these creatures manage to stay over here. This guy seems. Maybe he is literally part of the Shadow Realm because of this. Next line. Is sustained in the overworld Earth Realm with regular ritual human sacrifices.

Cristina: Sounds right. Okay. That sounds really dangerous to have around you. I don't get it.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: This confuses me.

Jack: He's not killing them. People are offering sacrifices to him.

Cristina: This is so Shadow Realm adrenochrome.

Jack: This is way in there.

Cristina: This seems like the opposite of what the sea people would be interested in.

Jack: They're not working with them. As far as we have discussed.

Cristina: Like from what we knew in the past, from other things. We thought the Mayans were getting their signs and stuff from the sea people, like the Egyptians. Well, but now maybe not. I don't know.

Jack: Again, he's not sacrificing anybody himself. If he was out there murdering, I'm sure that would be against it. But if the idea is that this guy is very useful for us and the people have agreed we rather have them than not. Nobody's forcing anybody. Again, it's sacrifices he is not murdering. They are offering.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: Specifically, ritual human sacrifice. The humans are offering it to him. And they do it discreetly at his command, which then changes what we think of them because. Yeah. Human sacrifice. Oh, how horrible. But he doesn't want it visible. So it's not fear, it's the blood that's keeping him around.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He has him toss the sacrifices into a well called Cenote, and then he goes in the well and he does his thing. Okay, he doesn't seem to be a Djinn. Ixchell seems to be a Djinn. Autumn seems to be a Djinn. This guy is a creature that isn't a Djinn because he does need the blood.

Cristina: He still sounds like some type of Shadow Realm creature.

Jack: No, he's a Shadow Realm creature for sure, but not a Djinn. He's some other thing. Now we have our team. We have our team of the Earth gods. Sizen ishell. It's Zamna and the two serpents. The unnamed serpent and Kakulkan. What were they doing?

Cristina: What were they doing?

Jack: Let us begin with El Castillo translates to the castle. The castle is a temple, Itzamna, built to the specifications of Ixchel and Kakulkan, that's his serpent and his wife working together. And they came up with this formula, this structure, this something. And basically, during the spring and autumn equinox, an alignment of the sun, the earth, the castle, and the castle stairs and the moon all happen.

Cristina: That's pretty cool.

Jack: Interesting happens to this day. And most interesting about it is when this happens, a rift opens on the stairs. For one day, twice a year, a rift opens on the stairs and you no longer can enter the temple. You cross the rift when you go up the stairs.

Cristina: Where's the rift leading to? Is it the shadow realm? Is it some other thing?

Jack: The rift would open along the steps of El Castillo during the spring. The rift would lead to a land they named Kaf.

Cristina: Is it a mountain? Is it on top of a mountain? I'm so curious.

Jack: It doesn't say, but we know it is.

Cristina: It takes them to the mountain, and the mountain has a transporter.

Jack: But that doesn't mean none of this is the point. It is literally the mountain.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which means they have a way to get directly in front of the Egyptians and directly in front of the sea people. And they both have a way to get to the Mayans once a year.

Cristina: Yes, during the spring equinox.

Jack: During the autumn equinox, the rift would lead to the underworld.

Cristina: Okay, that makes sense, I guess.

Jack: To the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yes, but anyone could go in there. What?

Jack: El Castillo is where the sea people have stored a copy of the scientific data shared with the Maya. That is the same place that has all the same writings that we see in the Sphinx. Under the Sphinx, they share the data. That's the data that they claim on their walls that says, okay, we have a storage by the sea people. And it is all the information and scientific advancements they have provided for us under El Castillo. And under the Sphinx. Those are the two locations that have exactly the same data as said, exactly the same way. And two completely different civilizations that are.

Cristina: Complet separated by talking about the sea.

Jack: People, talking about the sea people and being given information by the sea people. They say that the sea people gave them data and that it's stored there. That is El Castillo. So when I found that, that's where I found it from the original time, although I never paid attention to the name because it was relevant. But now we know the name is El Castillo. Okay, so that's just an important bit of detail that answers a couple of things. How they get to each other.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: How the Egyptians and the Maya have the same data. Now we know an access point, Mount Kaf, as important as Mount Athos. In fact, it's possible that Mount Athos is the current day Mount Kaf.

Cristina: Mount Kaf is the one that disappeared.

Jack: It's the one that disappeared.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Around the time that Mount Athos came to use Coenkabink.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now the Earth Gods research. The Mayan people dubbed these gods the Earth Gods because of their primary focus. I did not name them the Earth Gods. This was a coincidence that happens to line up with the Egyptians calling their scientists the Sun Gods.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The Sun Gods were working on energy, immense amounts of energy. Like the sun?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And teleportation to somewhere far above. Like the sun?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay, so the Earth Gods got their name relative to their work as well. Can you guess what they were doing? Probably not. But what's your best shot?

Cristina: Besides like the medicine that you mentioned? I don't know.

Jack: Makes total sense, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And botany and biology. It all has to do with life so far.

Cristina: Yeah. Are they trying to live forever?

Jack: No, because there is also a pattern we should be following. Let us dive in. The primary focus of the Earth Gods, dubbed by the Mayan people. Their major goal was to create sentient life using the genetics of crops. It gets better when we dive deeper. According to Ixchel, the reason that it was important for her research to continue in earthrealm, or the Overworld as they call it, is because Earth had properties which allowed for imitation magic.

Cristina: Earth.

Jack: Earth. The sciences of Earth have a way of imitating magic.

Cristina: Okay, okay. That makes sense. Okay. What?

Jack: Something about biology.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Biology doesn't exist in the shadow realm. Biology doesn't exist in Alphaen. Biology is specifically an earthrealm feature. There's the other sciences. But why the f*** are there so many sciences in earthrealm, one of which is biology.

Cristina: What is happening? Okay.

Jack: Creatures in the Shadow Realm aren't born. They manifest and then they persist. Creatures in Elfame don't seem to be born as far as we know. They're created.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then they persist. But over here it's self producing.

Cristina: Which I think has to relate with the one thing we have that they don't have. These other places. The thing that the sea people have.

Jack: The fruits.

Cristina: The fruits. I think it started not with the fruits. Adam and Eve.

Jack: With Adam at least.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The ability to create in a way that perpetuates itself.

Cristina: Yes, that's what's the important thing. Interesting, because we can't even prove the sea people can do that. Oh, wait. But.

Jack: Well, when we look at other civilizations, even if they're from Earth Realm, we look at like the Greek, we look at the. The Norse. They didn't have the ability to create life that can self perpetuate. They could create life that just. It sustains itself. It can stay there, but it won't make more life. Only the sea people seem to have what we call Adam and Eve. Which led to what we consider humans that seem to kind of move forward.

Cristina: Yes. And all the animals and etc.

Jack: Everything. Everything similar to magic. It could just make more stuff.

Cristina: Yeah, just more stuff happens.

Jack: Doesn't require catalysts, just more stuff happens. Interesting. Imitation magic combined with earthrealm sciences could result in advanced sentient life is the idea. They bring their sciences, they use earth sciences and they use this element. Whatever caused things to go from not alive to alive, whatever the that is. Yeah, I think that's the fixation. I think that's a fixation. Whatever the difference between a cell and a virus is if a virus is dead and a cell is alive, whatever the f*** is happening between those two points. That's the fixation. Before cells were cells. That's a fixation. What made cells living cells? That's fixation. Whatever the f*** is happening there. Fascinating. Alright.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: According to Sizen, the djinn in the Shadow Realm can feel the energy from the earthrealm sciences.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: The biology of earthrealm allowed natural passage between realms.

Cristina: What? What?

Jack: Think about it.

Cristina: We're attracting those things.

Jack: No, the biology of earthrealm allowed for natural passage through the realms. We know this because of adrenochrome. It alters your biology. And then you can somehow just go there when you die. And something that seems to be very biological fear allows them to come from over there. Over here.

Cristina: Okay, so it had to have started here to there. Yeah.

Jack: There's some Natural magic element that shouldn't exist in earthrealm. Yes, that does. Without anybody doing anything. Without anybody doing anything. You could just go scared the s*** out of somebody, drink their blood. Now you get passage into the shadow realm. And in the time that they're scared, Shadow realm creatures can just come into the. Something is just wrong here that shouldn't have happened. Something that shouldn't exist over here because the realms were different. It's the realm of physics, it's the realm of magic, and it's the realm of power. And somehow we also have a little bit of magic.

Cristina: Yes. I don't think we did, but. Okay.

Jack: Weird, right?

Cristina: Yes. But we're the unique.

Jack: Something about biology.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It was magical.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it shouldn't be. But it might have something to do with the sea people.

Cristina: Yes, for sure.

Jack: Adam and Eve.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Chances are, before they tampered, there wasn't. But also, how were their plans if that's biological? There's some part of this picture that isn't clicking because they were around 2.5 million years ago. But there's crap way before them that was all biological.

Jack: And that was all reproducing.

Cristina: But that didn't attract these things. I think it took one of them. So fear.

Jack: They didn't have fear. They didn't have adrenaline. They didn't have blood. No. All that was still there.

Cristina: I don't know. But the sea people.

Jack: No. Everything that was here before.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: All the things that were here for millions.

Cristina: Their fear maybe is not as strong as our fear.

Jack: I think there's some. Because that means it was. That this realm has always had magic infused. That means it didn't require the sea people. Anybody would have stumbled upon it. I think somehow somebody added something.

Cristina: Somebody added something.

Jack: Yes. So I don't think it necessarily has to do with the fear or it necessarily has to do with the adrenochrome. I think we figured something out with that, but. Or if it does, the sea people and Adam and Eve have nothing to do with it existing on this end. I guess that's what I'm trying to get to. They're just trying to replicate it or figure it out, understand why it exists on this end. And they're using Adam and Eve to do it. Which means throughout all of history, through all of time, through all the existence of all that has ever been in Earth Realm, there has been that little dose of magic. Interesting enough, if we look at. Just looking at physics, there should be, when the universe is created, an equal amount of matter and antimatter an equal amount of energy, equal distribution. But we know factually, we know factually, something happened and it was just slightly uneven. And then that allowed stars to form and that allowed planets to happen. That allowed. Because there was an unevenness. And that unevenness allowed everything to happen. That unevenness might be that little bit of magic that shouldn't have been here. Which means since the beginning of time, when this realm was created, was something off. It had nothing to do with the sea people. The sea people are trying to capitalize on it. They're trying to figure it out. It might be the closest to figuring it out. But they didn't make humanity. No, Adam and Eve didn't make humanity. We evolved naturally.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: That's why science and religion conflict so hard. Because religion trying to tell us, oh, Adam and Eve made you. But it's like, whatever, our ancestors are clearly around way before that moment.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So there's something about this realm that has always been a little messed up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the sea people are just the first to figure it out. And although Elfhame should be the center, Shadow realm and Earth realm being to its sides or below it, you could say in a triangular form where the tip is Elfame, and the two bottom points are the shadow realm and Earth realm. Instead, a line formed, and Elfame seems to have created Shadow realm below it, but Earth realm above it. And that's where the fear then comes in. How are the shadow people stopping magic? You're stronger than the magic. How are the not the shadow people? How are the sea people stopping the magic? How are the sea people creating things like Jesus? How is that same technology surviving the test of time and making it till the Jews can create something like Joseph? You send your most powerful creatures out there, the elves, to stop the cap. And these guys are just like, nah, nah, nah, f*** that, F*** that. You can't interact with us. We're too good. So something happened in creating earthrealm where Mab messed up.

Cristina: Well, not Mab, because she made things that made us.

Jack: Fair enough, but I think she made the realms, and then those things made the life.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But if we were to say it's just the life, that would be one thing. But the way the universe formed proves that it exists. Ingrained in all that is EarthRealm. There's some. Some feature about EarthRealm that is really exaggerated in some way we don't understand.

Cristina: No, but now we know it's our magic, well, we'll see something similar to magic.

Jack: At least it has the same effects as magic. Because without any science, without any magic, without any power, just adrenochrome, just something that runs in our veins, we can gain passage into the shadow realm just with our emotions. We can grant passage into our realm. Yeah, overpowered. Overpowered, that is.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Alternatively, it might be a human feature because it doesn't seem to have been mentioned in any other magnitude.

Cristina: Yeah, we don't know if the sea people can do anything like that either.

Jack: But then we do know that the butterflies had the same effect. Yes, we know animal sacrifices could bring. Yes, we could drink and cross over in small magnitudes. And with little bits of fear we can bring things over. So animals have it too.

Cristina: Animals do have it. I don't know if the sea people have it because as far as we.

Jack: Can go, yeah, we don't know if you're human, but animals aren't human.

Cristina: Aren't human. But they can still have it.

Jack: They can still have it. So we don't know if the sea people are even biologic in the way we are.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess that's. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, it's getting weird, right?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Wow. It's crazy because with little effort and intervention, natural earth energy somehow affect the shadow realm. Casual. Just something we can do. Yeah, it's weird because every narrative in the universe says what humans are. The unique thing. Even look at Star Trek. It's like, why is the rest of the universe bending to the will of the Federation? Well, there's something about humans, it's just not.

Cristina: It's not just humans because it is animals too. It's biology.

Jack: Biology. Well now that wasn't their only focus though. Although it falls in line with the focus of the sun gods and the focus of the sea people, which is to make life. The sea people are being helped by the energies of the sun gods. And these people are out here doing their own thing. But they do eventually leave the need to make that life because of their secondary focus becoming their primary focus. Their secondary focuses. And this will explain where what they were doing when we stumbled upon them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Their secondary focus was storing large sums of data. A large portion of the research and experiments performed were entirely focused on storing great sums of data. Huge, huge sums. And it'll make way more sense as we talk about the three codexes. The Paris Codex as it is known right now, is a document which contains a day by day journal of research reports written by Itzama. This is found and it's called the Paris Codex because some French people found it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's in Paris. Right now, the only surviving part of the much larger Parisianus. Which is a collection containing the research of all the earth gods. Somewhere on earth there is a collection of of a day to day report by this team of researchers.

Cristina: Why is that important though?

Jack: It's their data. It's their research.

Cristina: But this is their main thing.

Jack: It's their research. The research focused primarily on the storage of immense amounts of information and data. Which is what was in the Codex. The second codex is called the Dresden Codex as it is known today. It is a document which is an exact replica of scientific research performed by scientists on the other side of Kaf.

Cristina: What?

Jack: It was given by a scientist they often worked with named Tohil. Which translates in Egyptian. Sarah.

Cristina: No way. What? Why?

Jack: And this team of researchers from the other side of the rift.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: This Dresden Codex contained energy storage capabilities to be implemented in assistance with storing immense amounts of data. The more data you're trying to store, the more energy you need to store it.

Cristina: Are they making a supercomputer? Is that part of the pyramid somehow too?

Jack: In Egypt it includes ways to optimize energy acquisition and the most efficient ways of storing them.

Cristina: One. Nine. I like that. Is there another one? You said there's three.

Jack: There's three.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The last one is called the Madrid Codex as it is known today. A document which contains an exact replica of scientific research profound by scientists. Get ready for this. Because I don't know who the f***. Performed by scientists in the underworld. What?

Cristina: What?

Jack: The Mudrid Codex is an exact replica of scientific research performed by scientists in the underworld.

Cristina: What were they doing?

Jack: I can tell you what it is. I can't tell you who it was. The data focuses primarily on building extensive comprehensive portals. The portals are meant to bridge gaps between large distances within singular realms. And bridge across from one realm to another.

Cristina: Why is this so important? What is happening? Everything is connected. But it doesn't make a picture. It just makes everything obviously related.

Jack: Yes. Everything is obviously working together. For what?

Cristina: For what? That is still the big question. Like no matter how much we circle.

Jack: No matter what we're always circling.

Cristina: Yes. What? So close and yet so far. I don't understand.

Jack: I don't understand either.

Cristina: How are they all so important?

Jack: And what? What research team from the Underworld? What research team?

Cristina: The Egyptians have a research team in Underworld. No, they don't have one of them.

Jack: Autumn came from the underworld. But he was part of the Sun Gods. And they said that the Dresden Codex is the one with the replica from the other side of Koph. Which means that's data from the sea people and data from the Egyptians. But he specifically says that it came from Toho, which is Ra, which means.

Cristina: I thought Ra was also doing stuff in the shadow realm.

Jack: No, they are doing their research in Earthrealm. That's what the sun gods are. There is a portal so that the people who live in the shadow realm can go back and forward, but their research is done over here. And also, why would the Mayan know that they're going. And why would they refer to them as two different groups of people? Why would that make sense? Why wouldn't he just be like, oh, no, the people from the other side of Kaath have research in both the underworld and in the Overworld. No. So you're saying that the Maya are referring to the same group of people in two different contexts.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Because if Ra gave him one and you're saying, well, Ra gave him the other, then why didn't he just say Ra gave me the two codexes? That doesn't make any sense. He's just saying, oh, Ra gave me one, but also the underworld people who are also Ra gave me the other one. I guess it doesn't make any sense. Is that what you're getting at? Like, oh, well, they. They were also working over there. Why wouldn't they just say it's the same people then?

Cristina: Because maybe they were also working with them over there. So he didn't feel like mentioning it? I don't know.

Jack: Then he wouldn't specify where they're from. He would just say that he got it from Tohill twice. Okay, we just say he got it from Tohel, the Dresden one, and he got the Madrid one from Tohel.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: And then specifying where they came from, it doesn't matter.

Cristina: I feel like where I'm at, where it's from matters way more than who gave him the things.

Jack: Why? Because the people, where they are doesn't. What? The people doing the research are the ones who matter. You're saying that he goes into the shadow realm, suddenly these people have no memory and they just got new personalities. And their research is totally different as a result. No, of course the mind is the same. If. If Ra goes to the shadow realm and researches over, it's still raw in the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yes, but the research is different.

Jack: Even if the research was different, the same guy gave it to you. You just omitting that. Oh, he definitely gonna point out he gave me this one, but I'm not gonna bother mentioning gave me that one. I'm gonna talk about it like it's a different person. Like it's a different group of people.

Cristina: But he doesn't mention anything.

Jack: Yeah, he says researchers from the underworld.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Just completely. Oh no. Ra gave me this one, but yeah, Ra gave me that one. We're just gonna be ambiguous about it. Okay, that doesn't make any sense. And the research is absolutely different. Not only that, Ra himself was given the technology of portals and ship by the sea people. He didn't make it up. So that doesn't check out anyways. That's directly conflicting with what we know factually.

Cristina: So was the sea people in the shadow realm?

Jack: No, because they would have just said sea people, which they also mention. That's where they got the data. That's how we know this is a different group of people. They've mentioned everyone else.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's how we know this is a different group of people. Because they mentioned the sea people directly and they mentioned the sun gods directly through Ra. Okay, so there is another group of people who gave them portal technology.

Cristina: I don't understand.

Jack: Interesting enough. Are those the people who gave the sea people portal technology and then the sea people gave that technology to the Egyptians? As far as we knew, the sea people invented these technologies. But now we have a group of people who aren't the sea people doing.

Cristina: This Shadow realm people that we know.

Jack: Some shadow realm people.

Cristina: I don't understand this picture. If he's also Jesus and the portals, although maybe that's unrelated, I don't know. But he got that technology from the shadow realm as well.

Jack: That happens later anyways.

Cristina: Yes, but the shadow realm has this technology.

Jack: Or somebody's working on it.

Cristina: But it's starting in the shadow realm.

Jack: We don't know if it's starting in the shadow realm because one, humans can just cause crosses across the bridge. And two, the sea people have some sort of equivalent.

Cristina: Yes, but they didn't make it. Or we don't know if we don't know.

Jack: We have no idea.

Cristina: We don't know where. We know humans have like a natural one, but the man made ones are those sea people or shadow people technology. We don't know.

Jack: Well, we know Mount Kaaf goes to the shadow realm, but we don't. And it's said by many Persian civilizations to be a focal point. But we also know that the Viking had focal points that allowed them to cross and communicate as well through the shadow realm.

Cristina: But now it feels like it's a shadow realm technology sort of thing.

Jack: Well, I don't know, because The Sea People can also build portals across where they're reaching Mount Athos and going to the Atlantic Ocean. Back and forth easily.

Cristina: But those could have been somehow gifts from the Shadow.

Jack: It could have been 100%. Could have totally been. But we don't know.

Cristina: We don't know.

Jack: We have no reference point.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: When we make assumptions, we need some form of information. There's nothing for us to assume here. It just feels like as far as we know right now, maybe two groups of people. We know two groups of people have teleportation technology. One group of people gives it to the Mayan, and the Sea People gives it to the Egyptian.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Interesting, right?

Cristina: Yeah. Does it mean okay, But.

Jack: But there is this next piece of information. This doesn't tell us where they got it, but this does bring in the Sea People. And this is the last detail. With assistance from the Sea People and a researcher named Jacobs, a portal to Kaath and the underworld was successfully established and maintained, opened at all times atop Mount Cerro Quimondo, which is a mountain in Guatemala.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We don't know if the codex came before or after. The Madrid Codex that contains the teleportation technology provided by scientists from the underworld. We don't know if that came before or after. We know that after the portals that they themselves came up with, which could only work twice a year for a single day.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We know. After that point, two events took place. The Sea People built a portal atop one of their mountains that sustains a connection to the underworld on Mount Ka. The same way that Mount Kaaf does.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we know that some underworld scientists, some Shadow Realm scientists, gave them all their data relative to making portals that traverse large distances within one realm and cross between realms. So the same information twice, and we don't know which one came first.

Cristina: No. Or why it's important. Or how. Like why it's important. It's important to establish communication.

Jack: I think. I think at this point, portals are to establish communication between design. It's telephones.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's computers. It's our way to get over there and share our data.

Cristina: But is that the main goal as well? Like, is it having someone that can travel between the portals?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Not just the portals, but the science is really what they're trying to build too.

Jack: I have no idea. We know immense energy data storage and 2 instances of creatures that can willingly cross the threshold of realms.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But neither can enter Alfame.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So Alfame seems like a huge barrier. There's a huge difficulty getting there. If that's the goal and so it.

Cristina: Is to like go where the sea people are. I guess.

Jack: Yes. So yes. Interesting fact about that. Maybe the sea people are traitors from Alfame.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Maybe the sea people are just some people who are like f*** Alfame. We're going to make our s*** overpowered. But then why can't they get back? They should be able to just enter. No, it can't be.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No, can't be. They should be able to just get in.

Cristina: I don't think. Yeah, yeah. I don't think they're else. Huh?

Jack: I don't know what the goal is. I don't know what the goal is. But now we know how the Mayans were communicating with the Egyptians and why they share data.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or how they share data. We don't know why anybody's doing anything. We know how they're doing a bunch.

Cristina: Of yes, we know what they're doing. We know the what Idea why.

Jack: We have no idea why. We have so many. What's answered yes. No wise. We have no eyes.

Cristina: Too rad. It's so weird if it's just all random sign stuff. But like come on.

Jack: Could be there. They could just be curious scientists.

Cristina: There's got to be something related. Something.

Jack: There has to be. There has to be. Specifically because of the giant move that the sea people did. Specifically because of the mass amounts of energies that they need. Come on. That's not random.

Cristina: That's definitely not random.

Jack: Purposeful knowing. You need. F***. Tons of storage room for data. What? Which tells us what they're doing. They froze themselves or they connect themselves into something that allows them to protect and manage this data. That seems to be the case. The same. If we apply the same logic that the Egyptians did where they teleported themselves to go manage energy facilities.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If we apply that same logic to the Mayans, then they are just managing the data. They're focusing on the other thing. Because the sea people seem to be the best at the life part. The making the life part.

Cristina: How is that important?

Jack: I don't know how that's important. And whatever the h*** is in the Shadow Realm. Just like always, the hardest thing in the world is getting data on Elfame and getting data on the Shadow Realm. All we have are the people come through and tell us mm. And Abraxas left and he just disappears. That's it. We just. As soon as something goes into the Shadow realm, we lost it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And as soon as it comes out we can just get what they tell us about the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: We don't know anything.

Jack: But we know that they've mentioned that there's a research group from the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Can we find that research group?

Jack: How do we find the research group?

Cristina: Because they have to come out eventually.

Jack: Who says? Why would they need to come out?

Cristina: I don't know. To give us that thing. That's about what.

Jack: They were Shadow Realm creatures over here who could just go retrieve it. There's no reason for them to come out.

Cristina: Yeah. They don't take humans over there. Human scientists or. If they don't know.

Jack: The problem is we don't know. We can't make assumptions on things we don't know. Yeah, that is the issue. We have no f****** clue. If Earth Realm creatures were consistently making trips to the Shadow Realm. We have no idea for what. No clue. What were they doing over there? No clue. And thanks to the Mayans, now we have the division that there are a bare minimum of four groups, at least four groups working together. The Sea people, the Egyptians, the Mayan and the Shadow Realm research group.

Cristina: You're talking about the serpents.

Jack: They're part of the three. They're part of the groups. They're not an individual group of their own.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, like the Sun Gods have their own group. The sea people have their own group. Like they all have a serpent in the group.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Who actually.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Here's the most interesting detail about all this similarity across all the things. Two unnamed serpents. One of them is with the Sea people and the other one is with Ixchel. Unnamed serpents. The one with Ixchell seems to just be a serpent. No feathers are mentioned. The one with the Sea people also just seems to be a serpent. No feathers connected to it either. Or at least that we know of.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just similarities.

Cristina: I noticed it might have legs.

Jack: Might have legs. But is it that there are different calibers of the Naga? Or maybe they just look different and is an irrelevant detail.

Cristina: Yeah, I think that's. It's all right. They're. They're random. Yeah.

Jack: Could 100 be. Some of them. They got different colors. We know that much. But feathers show up a lot. But I guess it's. It doesn't necessarily have to mean they all have feathers.

Cristina: Yeah. Or wings seem more human. Like even though they're snakes.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes. Some of them just have. What? Yeah, exactly. No, you're totally right. You're totally right.

Cristina: Yeah, a lot of them are snakes. We don't know. Are we assuming the one in the garden is an actual snake doll?

Jack: No, no. That was a functional thinking part of the team.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And yeah, I guess they're totally different because the world snake is some whole other s***. Yes, that's some big m***********. So, yeah, fair enough. They're all different. Different sizes, different magnitudes. Four teams. The Sun Gods, Earth Gods, the Earth Gods, the Sea People, the Shadow Team, and wherever Abraxas left that we have dubbed the Moon Gods until further notice. And we don't know what they are doing. They have been labeled the bad guys according to the Christian Bible, which would suggest they never worked with the other four teams.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They aren't the shadow people who provided the portal technology. That's a different group of people. Abraxas is working with somebody else doing something else. So this is what we got.

Cristina: I will never know. Or maybe we don't know. Who knows?

Jack: This is what we've got. We just keep circling. Whatever the case might be, we know something like, Jesus seems to be the point. And it requires a lot of data and a lot of energy.

Cristina: Is he the point? We don't know.

Jack: If doing it biologically fails and they can't figure it out, maybe bridging a portal across would be the goal. But then that would require a lot of energy.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And it would require so much math that maybe you need a f*** ton of storage. Who knows? Also, if we consider how complicated a living sentient being's genome would be, that also would require immense amounts of data.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Although I don't think it would require as much energy. Then again, if you're trying to create something and infuse literal alpha magic into it, or at least replicate it, maybe that would take immense amounts of energy.

Cristina: Maybe that.

Jack: Yeah, I don't know. And I wonder. The idea is how do we. The same way we pieced the sea people together with crap from everywhere else. Because there's no direct like, oh, we're doing this. No, it's like little bits here, a little bit there, a little bits over there. And together we built what the sea people really are. Can we do that for whatever the h*** this team is in the Shadow Realm? Is there enough? Because there's mentioned once they provided the Madrid Codex. They were mentioned. So if I look hard enough, we got two important details that I just need to cross reference. Which are we know they would have a Naga.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we know they gave us portals. Okay, who deals with portals and the Naga and is from the Shadow Realm. If I can look at this through any culture, any religion, any science, any philosophy that discusses this, perhaps I can zero in and find Mentions of whoever these people are.

Cristina: Ah, yes. I wonder if they're going to be as random as what we've already talked about. The sun gods, moon gods, earth gods. Are they going to be some other name to these people that have probably communicated with them?

Jack: Yeah. And I suppose because they seem to all be leaders of immense civilizations, including Autumn, that completely left his civilization. So my guess would be that these individuals are probably Jinn. Probably the leaders of their civilization. And yeah, I'm sure their people have dubbed their research team something. Hopefully they're not. But also, we have no idea how.

Cristina: We don't know. Yeah.

Jack: It could just be like, no, they're just people.

Cristina: We'll find out.

Jack: If not, we'll give them a name.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But hopefully there's something cool like that. The earth gods and the sun gods people, you know, they were pretty cool.

Cristina: Pretty cool.

Jack: Pretty cool. The sea people are kind of lame.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But people didn't know what to call them. They were too cryptic. They just knew all the sea gods. They could have called them the sea gods, but the problem is they were being referred to by people that other people called gods. Do you get my point?

Cristina: No.

Jack: Like the people that the Greek called gods. The Greek gods are the ones that were referring to the. The Norse gods were the ones referring to the sea people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, it was God, because if talking about. If people were talking about them, they would have said, but there are no people talking to the sea people. They had no people. They were all equal. All the sea people were equal. The closest they had were the Persians. And again, they alienated the Persians.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They're Persians themselves. But the Persian war wasn't their civilization. Everybody in the Persian Gulf oasis at the palace of Alcaraz was equal. Even if there was a scientific group, they weren't more powerful. They were just other sea people. They weren't this other species or more advanced species. No, it was the technology of the sea people. So nobody was calling them anything. They were just people.

Cristina: We'll call them the sea gods, I guess. Or the ocean gods. Sea sounds better.

Jack: Sea sounds better because sea would keep it more vague. Ocean says definitely ocean, but they were at a sea or not even at a sea. It was like a giant lake or a pond or like it wasn't an ocean. And then they went to an ocean. Like they were in different bodies of water. I think sea people works.

Cristina: Water gods.

Jack: Water gods, I guess. Yeah, but we already know them as the sea peoples. It doesn't matter. Yeah, but that's where we are that's what we have. I still don't know any of the whys. We have no whys.

Cristina: Someone give us a why.

Jack: But we have so many what's.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Yeah, 100%. Look, if you guys, if you got any freaking theory, anything. Why is anything happening? We don't care what we know what. I'm great at finding the what, but nobody's talking about a freaking why. Give us theories. Also, who the h*** are these people from the shadow realm? Give us some clues on that. If you got ideas, hit us up on our socials. Tick tock, Instagram, Facebook, Xcombo Pot.

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Jack: Show and word of mouth. If you know anybody who's into any of this crap, anybody who knows anything relative to any any of this crap, please send them our way. Show them all these episodes. Maybe they can piece something together that we have not.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. S.A. good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.