Rambling 246: The Naga
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What is the origin of the Naga? What is their purpose? How many of them are there? The duo evaluate the information they already know about the familiar Naga within the discovered research teams as well as some new previously undiscussed Naga. The hope is to find something hidden within the existing information. What they end up learning not only brings new information to light, but puts to question some details of the past!
+Episode Details
Topics Discussed:
- Oros the Original Naga
- Wadjet the Naga of Egypt
- Kukulcan the Naga of Maya
- Nahas of the Garden of Eden
- The Nagaraja Kings
- Earth Naga King Shehsa
- Shadow Naga King Vasuki
- Naga King of Kings Takshaka
- Keto the Naga Replicator
- Medusa and Sisters
- Jormungandr
- Ophiomorphos the Atum
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+Transcript
Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.
Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.
Jack: And this is a show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And, boy, have things gotten baffled as lately. Yes, continuous baffling messes of all sorts of things. If we recall where this path began, we just kept seeing adrenochrome and then we investigated some creatures who also, by mere chance, turned out to be connected to Adrenochrome. Like, if you deep dive into anything.
Cristina: A lot of blood.
Jack: There's a lot of blood. Everything goes back to Adrenochrome. But if you deep dive into enough, then stuff is gonna take you through some like, oh, creatures from who knows where. Creatures from who knows where. And then eventually they'll start aiming gradually towards the Middle East. And then you start investigating the Middle east and boom, the sea people show up. And then you investigate the sea people and it branches out into everything. It's absurd.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And that's our reality for the last couple of weeks to months. It's just a lot of that going on.
Cristina: Where is the garden at again? The one that's on our side. That's not in the Middle East.
Jack: There's no garden. The Garden of Eden?
Cristina: Well, the trees, I guess, that are on our side.
Jack: So that's in the Isle of Man or around that area. Okay, yeah, well, it is in the Isle of Man where these trees, the fairy trees are. Yeah, yeah, that's in the Isle of Man. And interesting point about that, and I'll get to that shortly because we're gonna revisit that today. It's very important, apparently, in ways that was in front of our face.
Cristina: The fairy trees?
Jack: No. Oh, that general region, though.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: That general region and some familiar old faces.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Anyways, so I figured I would start combing through, like, isolated subjects and see what we can extract, because we're hitting walls. I don't know where the h*** to go. So, you know, eventually I'm gonna look at elves specifically, or I'm gonna look at this or that. So I figured instead of following the Naga to whatever civilization they're part of and then looking at the civilization, I figured this time we would just look at the Naga specifically. So I got the Naga. We know some that we don't. And something I found out. And then perhaps in the future, maybe next week or maybe multiple weeks from now, we'll do the plethora of other Naga that we haven't covered.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Never mentioned. We're just going to mention some of.
Cristina: Them now, but there's that many that you can do another.
Jack: I might be able to do two more episodes.
Cristina: Oh, that's a lot.
Jack: There's a lot. And the pattern is the same everywhere in the world. Everywhere. It is exactly the same. There's something there. For real. For real. Anyways, so we go back to the origin of Naga, going as far back as we can. We land at Oros. Oros was made by Mab in Elfame. So he's essentially a fairy of some sort, or at least from the fairy world, I guess. Anything from the fairy world, whether, like, it's all fairies, regardless of.
Cristina: Do we know what he looks like? What does he look like?
Jack: There is no description on others.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Using the fascinating. I have no idea what it looks like. Some. He might not even be a serpent.
Cristina: Himself, because I always imagined that. But I'm like, did I make that up?
Jack: Yeah, No, I think the same thing. I. In fact, I envision him a lot like the world snake.
Cristina: That's exactly what I was picturing. But I knew, like, no, that's not the same.
Jack: No. So. No, that's something else entirely.
Cristina: Is he an Aga?
Jack: I guess maybe he might be the world snake.
Cristina: I mean.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: The world snake is a Naga. So the purpose of Horus was to make lesser versions of himself, which would then suggest.
Cristina: I guess that's why. Yes. Okay.
Jack: And distribute them to the most potentially advanced races of intelligent life across earthrealm.
Cristina: And.
Jack: And the Shadow Realm. Fantastic. Sweet. I guess that kind of tells us, like, even if we don't have a descriptor of him, we can assume that he made them in his image.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So he's some sort of a snake, like, serpent thing.
Cristina: Yeah. Because you would. I don't know, maybe it's just what everyone would assume. Someone would try to make something which.
Jack: By default will make him the God of the Naga. Right. Like they would, like, directly worship. Yeah. So now let's talk about some of the. The big kahunas, the effectors he's made, the ones who've impacted the most. We know some of these wadjet, one of the most important ones that is the one from the Sun Gods, who was sent to side with Ra from Egypt. And she is a member of the Sun Gods with Ra and the rest of the Sun Gods known as the Eye of Ra and can often be seen either pretending to be his staff, can be seen wrapped around his neck or can be seen wrapped around his head.
Cristina: Okay, so she's a snake. Does she have a human form or she's just always a snake.
Jack: Interesting point.
Cristina: Is it both.
Jack: It seems like every single one of these has snake, some human like form. So if you look at ancient depictions of hieroglyphs, there's always this humanoid female body with a snake like head. That's Wadjet. That's her human form.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Yes. And so she was used not only as a research member, but also as a bodyguard for Ra. She was used to calm her absurd power was directed towards fighting away his enemies. And she was personally responsible for assisting Ra with the Sun Gods in researching for immense collection of energy collection and storage as we know. And her appearance is as seen as a blue and green snake with feathered wings which are also blue and green. She does not seem to have legs or hands in her snake form.
Cristina: But she has wings.
Jack: But she has wings.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And would often take a humanoid form. Again like a reptilian, which looks like a woman with a snake's head. Specifically similar to a cobra head.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Just very specific details.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: About what we know about her other than what we've discussed already. If you guys need to know more about her, you can go to the Sun Gods episode. All her things are recorded with the rest of the Sun Gods. Kukulkin.
Cristina: Are they? So they're all going to be very similar to this though.
Jack: No.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Kukulkin a Naga assigned to Izamna. Oh, important. I'm putting little notes on the side that which realm they're from. Because it's relevant, I suppose. Which we'll get to why it's relevant.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But yeah. So Wedget assigns to Earth Realm next. Kakulkin also assigned to Earth Realm to Izamna of Maya. A member of the Earth Gods research team responsible for assisting Izama and the Earth Gods with researching into data storage and portal creation technology. Kukulkan assisted Idzama in fun fact that I know about. In displacing the older leadership of Maya and allowed the establishing of and the now known massive hyper advanced civilization that took place under the rule of Vizama and Ixcho. That was thanks to the help of Kulkan. Kokulkin went with Idzamna and they kind of offed a lot of people.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: They were like, you guys are corrupt and we need to move forward. So it's Amna and Kokulkin went ahead and did their thing.
Cristina: Murder.
Jack: Murder. Rebellions. Murder is A bad way to put it, because it wasn't just out here, I'm gonna kill you. But it's like he's trying to establish an order of peace. And there was a lot of chaos. And he was trying to unite all the tribes, which he did, into this massive thing that turned out to be. Together they built El Castillo, known as the castle, which served as the gateway portal two days a year, one to Mount Kaaf and the other to the Shadow Realm.
Cristina: Ridiculous. Okay.
Jack: The description of this individual is winged and feathered serpent, human sized and green, but looks like a normal man when he takes his human form. Indistinguishable, but rarely went into his human form. Now this interesting detail of him looking extremely human tells me how he probably infiltrated and allowed the invasion of all these places. Going effortlessly and do things.
Cristina: He looks like a human.
Jack: He looked like a human.
Cristina: Okay. No snake.
Jack: No snake features.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Just. And he as a snake, he's already huge. I was thinking a small snake. I don't know why I keep thinking small snakes when I say snake. No, this m*********** was a just in his snake form. He's a freaking wing snake the size of a just grown a** man. That's a weird sight.
Cristina: That's a weird sight.
Jack: Yeah, like it's more normal to just see a tiny snake.
Cristina: I can see him fighting off people as his snake form too.
Jack: Like, that's kind of ridiculous because you think Wadjet. Wadjet was the size of just like a normal garden snake or some s***. You know, she must have been like 4ft, but skinny. And then when she's standing up on her body, like half her body on the ground, half her body up, she must have been like 2ft tall. Nothing exaggerated. She would wrap herself around this dude's head and stuff. Like, not huge.
Cristina: Yeah, but this, this guy is like.
Jack: Ripped monster of a eating people.
Cristina: He's like the snake from. And the anaconda.
Jack: Yeah. An interesting point, because if he's the size of a man when standing, are we not counting the rest of his body that's down, lifting him up?
Cristina: That's kind of ridiculous.
Jack: So then he's like twice the size of a man.
Cristina: He has to be like, there's just.
Jack: A crazy looking creature wandering around. I'm sure nobody was f****** with this guy. What are they gonna. And it's magic. What, what are they gonna do to that thing? It's freaking magic.
Cristina: It's a huge scary snake. Yeah, it's magic. Yeah. And some of these things might be poisonous. Unless they don't work like humans. I don't know.
Jack: I don't know how they.
Cristina: They were.
Jack: I have no idea how these things work. Okay, next we have the Unknown Naga. This one belongs to Ixcho, the wife of Idzumna. Now this one was sent to the Shadow Realm, by the way, this is probably why we have so little information on it. But the Unknown Naga is a member of the Earth Gods research team. Spends its time wrapped around the head of Ixchell as a hat. Unlike the other Naga, does not communicate with anyone other than Exo, although it has been seen talking to her.
Cristina: So it has a voice?
Jack: Yes. And they communicate back and forward. But it speaks to nobody else.
Cristina: Psychically communicating?
Jack: No, she's speaking to her and it's speaking to her. Yeah. They physically seen it happening.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But it doesn't speak to anybody else. And there's no other information on it other than Ixchel Spoke to it consistently and could be seen talking to it. There's nothing else on this serpent. This is fascinating that that's so suppressed.
Cristina: So these serpents, none of them. Or maybe one of them do, I don't know. When it comes to their powers. Trying to imagine what it could be besides transforming. Wait, this one can't. Or they haven't seen it.
Jack: They haven't seen it. There's nothing known about nothing.
Cristina: We know they have wings, but we don't know if they flew.
Jack: Fascinating. Wadjet's known for flying out.
Cristina: Oh, he is. Okay.
Jack: She.
Cristina: So she. I don't. These names aren't helpful.
Jack: Yeah, is female. As far as some magic other dimension creature, female version could go.
Cristina: So she can fly?
Jack: Yeah, Coco can also fly.
Cristina: Which one's called.
Jack: That's the huge.
Cristina: How is he flying?
Jack: Well, a lot of stories are about him flying.
Cristina: Oh my gosh, that's horrifying.
Jack: Like he's basically just some. He's a crazy monster. Like he'll squirm around as with his tail, you know, like a. Like a humanoid. Like his tail will be wagging.
Cristina: But he's like. People think of dragons looking at this guy.
Jack: No, he's very Greek mythology looking like his bottom half. If you. If you decide you draw a line down his middle, right. And you consider the line below his middle is the one he's dragging. That's what's moving him. That wiggles like a snake normally.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Then upper half of his middle, he's upright with his like chest up and whatever. And he has like his op wings and he's like superhuman body shape. Like Huge fat snake thing, but he flies too.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It's just these wings are not just for show.
Cristina: Ridiculous.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now we don't know what abilities any of them have.
Cristina: You know, they don't. I mean, they can't communicate telepathically.
Jack: We don't know they can't communicate telepathically.
Cristina: Because then why would they be talking verbally? Especially the secret snake that no one knows anything about. They still hear it. Like, it wouldn't be talking.
Jack: I don't know if they hear it. I know they see it.
Cristina: They see it moving its mouth.
Jack: They see it speaking to her as she speaks to it.
Cristina: So I'm guessing they can't.
Jack: Yeah. Like who? Yeah, maybe. Maybe they communicate psychically between each other. I don't know. Like between snake to snake.
Cristina: Oh, snake to snake. Who knows? Okay, is there any stories with snake to snake? I don't know, communication.
Jack: We'll get to that. As I dive deeper into the numerous things that are happening here. Just with the Naga, the next one on the list is Nahas. Nahas, is the Naga assigned to Jehovah also of birth realm? Yeah, it was like in the Garden of Eden.
Cristina: Oh, okay. Her name was what?
Jack: Nahas.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: A member. By the way, if the Garden isn't a place like we keep calling, they move the garden. What does that mean? Well, the research team moved. That means that the research team is called the Garden of Eden because it's the research you're doing.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Their name was there in front of us the whole time. The research team was called the Garden of Eden. That's the research team. That's why they can move the objects in the Garden. Just happen to move with them because they are. Okay, So a member of the Garden of Eden research team assisted Jehovah in furthering the already advanced sciences of the sea. People assisted in the creation of Jesus Christ through the artificial insemination of Mary. Descriptions of the snake green. It's just a green snake.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Walks on its hind legs and has arms, does not have wings. Appears much like a lengthy. Like a lengthy lizard of some sort. Like a iguana or some s***. Arms and legs, but lengthy and skinny like a snake.
Cristina: Is it just two arms and two legs? Is not like multiple.
Jack: No, it's just two arms and two legs and is roughly the size of a child. That one is the visual I had of all the others. Just this tiny little, you know, it's the size of a child in full length. That's not really a big snake. That's particularly like not width, but like the height. The height of a tail. That's a skinny. It's like you could probably wrap your hand around it easily. It's really skinny.
Cristina: Does it have a human form that we know about?
Jack: Not described. I'm sure it does, but we do not know if it's human form.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It having arms and legs definitely leans into that. The suggestion that perhaps it does. But now that's interesting, right? We have in the Sun Gods is that. Yeah, in the Sun Gods we have Wadjet and we have. Wait, there's one missing for the Sun Gods, right?
Cristina: Oh, what?
Jack: There is one missing for the Sun Gods. I just remembered, but we'll get to that later.
Cristina: Why my secretive.
Jack: I was looking at here, but yeah, there's two for the Sun Gods and two for the Earth Gods. And they are the most advanced civilizations. As we get to the next ones, you'll find out that nothing like when they have. What matters here is that one came from the Earth Realm and one came from the Shadow Realm. So Wadjet was with Ra from Earth Realm, but Autumn has the other and he comes from the Shadow Realm. And then we have Kukulkan, which was assigned to Zamna from Earth Realm, but Ixchel had her own, which she came from the Shadow Realm.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: What's interesting here is we only know of one assigned to the Earth Realm. When it comes to the Garden of.
Cristina: Eden research team, there might be another.
Jack: There might be another. And if there was, we know who it showed up with.
Cristina: Jesus. No, I don't know.
Jack: It showed up with Lilith.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Because like Lilith, Jehovah and Nahas are members of the Garden of Eden research team.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: If there is two serpents through Lilith, we will find it.
Cristina: Interesting.
Jack: All right, Moving into an interesting line, I found this is Nagaraha. Nagaraha.
Cristina: That's the whole name of this thing.
Jack: That's not the name of a thing.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Nangaraha is a title.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: And as I explained this title. And then who earns the title? You'll be like, oh, s***. Things we didn't know and information from someone. We haven't had information yet. Nagaraha means translates literally to King of the Nagas.
Cristina: That's not their daddy.
Jack: Allow me to introduce to you Shesha, the first appointed King of the Naga, in charge of maintaining order among and assisting Oros with assigning civilizations for individual Naga that will head to earthrealm.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Vasuki, the second appointed King of Nagas.
Cristina: Are they working together or this is.
Jack: Like this Guy charge of maintaining order amongst and assisting Oros in assigning civilizations for individual Nanga that will be sent to the Shadow Realm.
Cristina: Oh, duh. Okay. What? How crazy.
Jack: Interesting.
Cristina: Okay, that makes sense.
Jack: So there was rank. There's so many Naga that there's need for order.
Cristina: The weird thing though is that. Okay, it's not weird. Maybe it's weird. They said the first. The first one is king. Or they're both equal kings.
Jack: They're both considered equal kings.
Cristina: Oh, okay, okay, never mind.
Jack: One is king of. I guess they divided the Naga into two subsets.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: The ones that are going to go to Earth Realm and the ones that are going to go to Shadow Realm.
Cristina: Okay. Because I thought he was also above the other king for some reason. But no, they're equal and they're both kings.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Different locations.
Jack: Okay, well, allow me to introduce Takshaka.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Direct assistant to Oros and second in command of all Naga, referred to as the Naga, King of Kings, outranks both Naga clones.
Cristina: Why? Okay, there is the.
Jack: Well, no, I understand it so that there's a unified voice. Although this one runs all the ones are going to Shadow Realm and this one runs all the ones that are going to Earth Realm. They can easily start disagreeing. They need a unified voice that they respond to that could then control. So one response, they respond to one. And that person only has to worry about those two individuals. And then those two individuals then control their respective of people. But this tells us something interesting. Within Elf fame, there's a civilization of Naga. It's not that they're just made and sent out individually. They exist over there, they chill over there, they live over there. There's Naga who haven't been sent out, who knows how many that are just potentially waiting for the future to be sent to a new developing civilization. We have our first hint of a civilization in Elfhame.
Cristina: With the Naga Kings.
Jack: With the Naga Kings. And the fact that they have to rule over Naga people.
Cristina: Yeah. How do they pick? Unless they're making out of the spot.
Jack: What do you mean making it on the spot?
Cristina: Like the Naga that they're gonna send out.
Jack: No, they're people. They're controlling. Yeah, they're civilizations. There's dozens, hundreds, thousands, maybe it could be million, who knows? The fact that they need a leader tells you there's like, it's not just autos. Like, oh, I got three dudes here waiting in line. Like, no, there's civilizations of Naga.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That exist in Elfame. Interesting. So based on this logic, Elfame works Similar to the Shadow Realm or Earth. Structurally, even if physiologically it's very different.
Cristina: Yes, but there's leaders, there's.
Jack: Yeah, there's hierarchy. So there must be survival. There must be war. If you need control.
Cristina: How would we know about those stories?
Jack: I don't know.
Cristina: I want to know more about. What's the name of the place?
Jack: Elfame.
Cristina: Alfame.
Jack: In comes Keto. Quito is assigned to Zeus of Greece, Earthrealm. Instructed by Zeus to learn how to create more of himself. Unable to replicate her existence, Keto's experiments result in a half human, half serpent hybrid with strange abilities afforded by Ichor. They didn't have any. Keto is. You were tuned out.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Keto is assigned to Zeus.
Cristina: Okay. She's a. What is she?
Jack: That's all Naga. We're talking. We're not talking anything but Naga.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Keto is a Naga assigned to Zeus of Greece from Earthrealm. She was instructed by Zeus to learn how to and create more of herself.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Unable to replicate her existence, Keto's experiments result in half human, half serpent. Hybrids with strange abilities afforded by Ichor. Ichor is the adrenochrome distilled version. After you have either nectar or ambrosia and it goes through your blood and then you take the blood of somebody who's had adrenaline.
Cristina: Okay, so is he feeding her the blood or is she using his blood to do this?
Jack: They have no idea how she acquired the icar. Maybe she got it from him. Like, they definitely had. They definitely. Yeah, he's definitely got it. So maybe. Maybe Zeus or some of the other gods are giving up their blood for these weird experiments.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Yes. Now, she was described as being a winged serpent. Again, most of them seem to be oftentimes taking the form of a beautiful woman with the body of a serpent from the waist down. So waist up, just a lovely, elegant woman. And waist down, snake. Just a snake. So a lot like Kukulkin, except her upper body is human, while Kakulkin is that same size.
Cristina: But all snake is any of the opposite. That's weird.
Jack: I guess radjet is.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Because her head is snake and the rest of her body is female.
Cristina: Oh, yeah. Okay, weirdness. Okay.
Jack: Now what's interesting here is we don't get told or. I guess, yeah, winged serpent. And then often takes. I guess. Yeah, that's both. I was thinking, like, we don't know what she looks like as a serpent, but. Yeah, no, that is.
Cristina: But she's making experiments on herself pretty much. Or not really.
Jack: She's not experimenting on herself. She's trying to replicate herself.
Cristina: That's crazy.
Jack: And using ichor to do it. That is pretty crazy.
Cristina: That's pretty crazy.
Jack: I don't know, it gets weird because we're familiar with the children the process to this their creations. The first one is called Medusa. The first of Kido's experiments has the ability to change the chemical makeup of anyone who absorbs through their eyes the chemistry altering qualities of an energy radiating from Medusa's eyes.
Cristina: That's one of hers. Oh my gosh. Okay.
Jack: There's some sort of thing that's radiating and when it's absorbed through your eyes, your chemistry gets altered and you turn to what would otherwise be described as stone. Described as. And wait for it. The smarter of the three experiment sisters appears. Top half human, bottom half serpent with 50 smaller heads coming from smaller like snake heads coming from her skull in the form of hair. That part does not exist on Kido. Kido has normal woman hair.
Cristina: Yeah, but she's an experiment, so.
Jack: Yes. Additionally to Medusa's appearance, her upper body that looks female, breasts and all, still has patches of scales. So it looks like. Like a half human.
Cristina: She's the most successful experiment.
Jack: No, she's the first experiment.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: The next is Uriel, which is identical in every way to Medusa with the exception of immortality. Unlike Medusa.
Cristina: What do you mean? She can still turn people into stone.
Jack: Yeah, all this, everything is identical. Except she cannot die. Medusa will die of old age.
Cristina: Why is she the famous of the sisters I have? No.
Jack: Maybe because she can be killed. She's the one who gets killed?
Cristina: Yes. Okay.
Jack: Yeah. So she has immortality and that just tells us that Medusa could simply die of old age. Unless she can't die of old age. But she can be murdered, in which case you can't kill Uriel, which would suggest that's closer to the goal of these elf famed creatures that presumably you need a philosopher's stone to kill. Described as the more sensitive of the experiment sisters. The third is called Stheno. Identical to Uriel in every way. They are. There's no difference. No difference between them at all.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: With the exception that she's known to be extremely violent and aggressive out of the three sisters.
Cristina: Okay. But she can also not be killed.
Jack: She can also not be killed. She is immortal, just like Uriel.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Those are the three experiments that just created by Keto.
Cristina: That is weird. What, what was Zeus's like goal though?
Jack: I think everybody's goal is the same because why Is he trying to recreate something from Alfame to go into Alfame? To go into Alfame, it seems. Or to harness the power of Elfame. Why were the Jews trying to make this golem that could come in and out of the realms, including of him?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: What was the point of trying to make Jesus go in and out? Or portals trying to rip bridge through? It's weird, right?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: There's something about it because it feels.
Cristina: Like, I'm not sure is the end goal is for themselves to be able to do whatever. Right. Like it's not just having this thing. Yeah.
Jack: I don't think. Yeah. I think ultimately it's to figure out how.
Cristina: But they need some kind of test for that.
Jack: It's some. Yeah, it's a give me more power scenario. We just want more power. I gotta have more power. And everybody's trying to raise. Because you got to catch up to this overpowered group of sea people.
Cristina: Wow.
Jack: You know, everybody's like, well, I'll do whatever. As long as they can't just massacre us easily. Which they can.
Cristina: Yes. Weird. Oh my gosh.
Jack: Very odd. Right. Next comes Glycone. Now. Now it gets weird because just like the unknown Naga that hangs out with Iksho then like why we gotta look into that. Glycone has interesting circumstances as well. A Naga, unknown to who he is assigned, behaves like one of the Greeks researchers can be seen with many of the others, including Zeus. Often and randomly shifts between his winged serpent form and a reptilian human looking individual legs. But he looks like he's arms.
Cristina: Not with everyone. I mean he's not with anyone.
Jack: He doesn't seem to be particularly attached to anyone.
Cristina: Which is possible because we know that about that one that decided I'm gonna.
Jack: Rule humans, the one who went to Australia.
Cristina: So like they don't need to attached to anyone. Yeah, but it's just a lot of them seem to be attracted to one person.
Jack: No, they're assigned. We just established that.
Cristina: Well, I guess they don't have to follow the rule. Like they have their free will to like not follow who they're assigned to.
Jack: I think they're supposed to. Supposed to follow the order.
Cristina: But then how does that one person, not person, Naga just break from it?
Jack: Well, let me repeat. I think they're supposed to.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Him not doing it is a bad naughty thing.
Cristina: Yeah, that's what I mean. Okay, but like it's not.
Jack: Oh, you could just. I'll tell you to do it. But you don't have to. No, like you should definitely go out there and do it. But it's like, well, what are you gonna do?
Cristina: But who's gonna stop? Like, we don't see that either of anyone trying to stop these Nagas from breaking the rule that they.
Jack: And who's going to. They're overpowered.
Cristina: Yeah. So like, yes, they are supposed to follow it, but that doesn't mean anything.
Jack: Kind of interesting that there's this one hanging out with the Greeks, Right?
Cristina: Yeah. Do you think he's secretly with someone somehow?
Jack: I don't know. He could totally be. But who? Zeus already has one.
Cristina: Hades.
Jack: Hades isn't part of that.
Cristina: He's not?
Jack: No.
Cristina: Who is it?
Jack: Hades is a direct enemy of Zeus.
Cristina: Oh yeah. Like he's. Well, that's exactly why. Like, he isn't a part of that group. He's.
Jack: No. Then if he's secretly. No, of course you would know. Like, oh, this is Hades serpent. That's.
Cristina: They know.
Jack: No, if he's part of. Think logically. You're missing the obvious picture here. If he's working with somebody, you don't need a crazy conspiracy. There's a shadow person among them that we don't know as a shadow person. Duh. Simple logic. Simple logic. There's a shadow person among them and we don't know they're a shadow person. That means one of the Greek gods isn't from Earth Realm.
Cristina: And it wouldn't be the guy who lives in a pretty shadow realmy like place with a bunch of ghosts.
Jack: No, because he's never with these people. He's the guy trying to stop them. He's like, I'll destroy all of you for your power. But these individuals come together and we see him hanging out. He's not gonna send his freaking snake to go hang out over there. Why would they? They're just using his snake to stop his own f****** motions. That doesn't make any sense. Plus he has his own snake, which would easily tell him, oh yeah, it's a spy.
Cristina: He has a snake.
Jack: Zeus does.
Cristina: Oh no.
Jack: I mean, okay, like he would just out that. Oh, like this does not make sense. There's a hundred percent. If this isn't rogue. A rogue individual who's doing what the one from Australia is doing. And it's like the rules.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Then there's a shadow person in there. We just don't know that's the case. Because then that would follow suit with everything else we know.
Cristina: Yes. Of their being a shadow person. But who? Now we have to go through every single one of these guys and find out who's the shadow person, because he's going to be clearly the shadow person, whoever it is.
Jack: Maybe not. I mean, maybe. Yeah, but maybe not.
Cristina: I feel like there's some obvious keys. Like there might be one of them.
Jack: Somebody just calls him. Oh, he's a death God or some s***. It's like, oh, yeah, okay. That guy, you know, death God. Hangs out with us. Aries, maybe. But he's God of war and he's still from Earth Realm. That's a problem. There has to be. Presumably Hera. Hera's weird.
Cristina: Why?
Jack: Because she seems to possess abilities that are unlike the others. Unnatural things you wouldn't normally get from just having some adrenochrome. So maybe. Maybe we look into her and she just has a snake or some s***.
Cristina: We should look at it. We should look into that.
Jack: Oh, okay. But, yeah, Glyco and interesting, right? All right, Next comes Jormungandr.
Cristina: Ah, what a name.
Jack: Ridiculous. But this is the famous one. You know.
Cristina: He is.
Jack: Yes. It's the world snake.
Cristina: That's his name.
Jack: Yeah. Jormungandr.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: Now this is the Naga assigned to Odin of Norway. Earth Realm. Now, Jormungandr was directed by Odin to create a barrier around all of Norway to enclose the people and create a closed country without access or knowledge to the outside world. German Gander used his special ability and surrounded the entirety of Norway with his own body, often referred to as the World serpent. Appearance of a small garden snake. Tiny little garden snake.
Cristina: Really?
Jack: Yeah. No legs, no wings, no arms. Just the freaking garden snake. But he floats.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Weird.
Cristina: Can he change his size?
Jack: Like, yes, that's exactly how he does.
Cristina: No, I mean, like, can he get. I guess. Is there more than one size? Like, he can choose? Like, he can be this teeny, tiny garden snake or that giant.
Jack: Not a clue. Not a clue. I know. He takes a form of a colossal, unfathomably large snake encircling the entirety of Norway.
Cristina: Yes. And it's very tiny.
Jack: What's interesting about this, that the Norse describe, you know, they're enclosed by Norman Gander from. By normal Gander. By Jorgen. Jorgen Jor. God d*** it. Jormungandr. They're encircled by Jormungandr and his head is aiming inward towards the circle he forms.
Cristina: Really?
Jack: Right, okay. It has been described that traveling in those regions, people have come across a insurmountably tall, scaly wall by people who aren't from Norway. Weird. Because they don't see the snake's Head. So to them, there's a wall of scales that just stretches off into forever. And they think it's the end of the world. That's the end of the world. That's the edge of. That's where it ends.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So people who live in that region on the outside of Norway, trying to get there. Oh, no, this is where the world ends. We would go in that direction, and there's text describing this from multiple regions surrounding it. A lot of people really believe that there was a scaly wall that was the edge of the world.
Cristina: Did it just disappear one day or.
Jack: I have no idea.
Cristina: Is there anything on that? No. Very strange. It's just a scaly wall.
Jack: Just a scaly wall. Obviously, it disappeared because we would, you know, we would know about it today if we, like, had satellite images and saw a freaking giant circle around Norway closing and. Is that a snake? You know, like. Yeah, but, like. Yeah, no, it's fascinating.
Cristina: Surrounded by mountains, and the mountains are just very unique.
Jack: That'd be weird. But no, it definitely an interesting thing to come across. The fact that people thought that there was a scaly wall heading into where Norway would have been, but they thought, oh, no, the world ends there.
Cristina: Yeah. Wow.
Jack: A lot of people describe that as the way to h*** as well.
Cristina: Who? What?
Jack: Yeah. Cultures believe that that was a path to the way to h*** because it would move. It was a wall made of stone scales that would seem to breathe and move itself. Very demonic. Yeah, exactly. So they were like this. If you follow the wall, it will lead you to h***. This is the edge of the world. It's fascinating, isn't it?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So that's just the outside point of view of the same place.
Cristina: I love it. That's interesting.
Jack: Weird, right?
Cristina: Is there another snake in Verdant or Naga? I guess.
Jack: I don't know.
Cristina: And then we gotta find out who's the shadow person. Oh, my gosh.
Jack: Yeah. I. I tried really hard to see if the Norse had another serpent. I couldn't find any, like, important mentions or anything. They were definitely not into the idea.
Cristina: Okay. But nothing about shadow people. Did you look that?
Jack: They have a million connections to the shadow. We had so many episodes.
Cristina: They have Shadow Realm. I mean, yes. They had it all mapped out.
Jack: Okay. Yeah, we have a lot of that. They definitely were very aware. And they themselves figured out how to communicate with people from the shadow realm by committing mass murders in secluded areas repeatedly, thus creating a lot of blood. And the people, horrified, they would be hung alive upside down so it would slowly die. That Fear would attract monsters. And that fear would allow them to communicate, sort of ripping almost a hole from how much concentration it would make. They learned how to make a focal point. Which. Interesting question. If the Norse are creating these rips to the Shadow Realm with immense sacrifices in a collective like that, how did Mount Kaf work? People being murdered. We know people were making a trip all the way over there. And maybe the trip was itself excruciating enough. Maybe climbing the mountain was bad enough that you start suffering on your way up to the summit where you would get to the bridge. And if you go with enough people, then that's enough to power it and open the thing. But I'm not thinking that's the case.
Cristina: I don't think so.
Jack: Now, they did have technology, which I'm assuming is what really was happening there. But so we're not calling mass murder in the woods ripping a whole technology. You see, this is a ritualized thing different to. Because we can assume it's like the Greek using adrenochrome because they don't have the fruits or philosopher stones. Right.
Cristina: Yeah. I don't think it's the same what was happening on that mountain. I think they had real technology.
Jack: Yeah. Yeah. That's the question I'm posing like. Is it real technology? Okay. Because I know the Vikings, the Norse they were going in had on murder. Yeah. They had murder forests just for the sake. Okay. Earlier we dodged talking about Autumn from the Shadow Realm and his Naga. I will explain. Obviously. So his Naga is called Ophiomorphos. We've talked about him before. Weird a** name. Now partnered to Autumn of the Shadow Realm. This is now where it gets really complicated and really weird instantaneously. Get ready for this line because it can do a lot.
Cristina: I'm ready.
Jack: Ophiomorphos was artificially created by Yaldabaoth.
Cristina: I'm not ready. Is that the whole line?
Jack: In an attempt to make his own Naga.
Cristina: No, I'm not ready. What? What?
Jack: The highest power in the Shadow Realm is. Is actually the one who made Autumn's Naga.
Cristina: What? Oh my gosh. What the. What does that mean?
Jack: I don't have any clue what that means. It's pretty complicated. So.
Cristina: But he succeeded.
Jack: Yes, because Orpheomorphos exists.
Cristina: But he's not really a Naga.
Jack: No, but as far as we can tell, he is.
Cristina: He's a lot like them. Yeah, but he's not. That is so weird.
Jack: He's the closest thing to a Naga without being a Naga. Now let's go back to his Descriptor. Unlike the other serpents, he's called White as Snow. He is not green. He does have legs and does have wings which are golden and white. Absolutely different from the snake looking other serpents where they are the right colors. This one is shiny, shiny, shiny, blinding white. And so are his wings in the Shadow Realm.
Cristina: Weird. But he's not even one.
Jack: He turned on Yaldabaoth and assisted Autumn in liberating Autumn's people from Yalda.
Cristina: Wait, who's Yalda?
Jack: Yaldabaoth? Yeah, I'm saying Galda for sure.
Cristina: Okay, okay. He helped him.
Jack: Yes. Orpheomorphos was not assigned to Autumn. Autumn wasn't assigned anybody. Autumn just had this Artificial Naga who joined him in fighting back against Yalda and liberating their people. That line tells us something else.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Yalda had some circumstance that needed people to be liberated. Where does Yalda go when he gives the Shadow Realm to Szan?
Jack: We're getting some. Some now. Some doors are opening here and there.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Orpheomorphos assisted Autumn in establishing a flourishing city within the Shadow Realm.
Cristina: I really thought you were saying underwater. Oh, no. Okay, continue.
Jack: Which, by the way, was claimed to be one of the most advanced cities in the Shadow Realm. Which we already knew when we were going through the Sun Gods. Because Autumn claimed to have established a flourishing, really overpowered civilization, and then left that to come join the Sun Gods. Ophiomorth. Now get ready. Ophiomorphos, similar to Oros, was capable of creating other artificial Naga. But because of their lack of magic, they could not leave the Shadow Realm. Although Ophiomorphous could.
Cristina: Okay. Because he's already a fake Naga and he's making faker Nagas.
Jack: Yes. It's like the copy of a copy is what happened.
Cristina: Oh, the copy of a copy. Yeah. Weird. What is with these people making fake nakas? Although I guess they were familiar enough that you'd want to make one. They don't seem like they're everywhere, but they're known enough that someone would try to make one.
Jack: They kind of seem like they're in a lot of places, though. Yeah, they're kind of almost everywhere. Not in huge numbers. It's like one per place. Yeah, but they're pretty out there.
Cristina: That's weird. And then you want to make your own.
Jack: I mean, I guess now what's interesting here is Yalda wanted to make his own. What was Yalda's goal? Yalda also needed, as we know, we gotta find it, the Philosopher's Stone. Because Yalda needed to kill the fairies, which should be impossible unless you have some weird reality breaking rule thing. Which is what? The philosopher's stone is. Hence the creation of the fairy trees. After he successfully kills the fairies, thus creating Earth Realm. What's Yalda's goal?
Cristina: I don't know. Is he part of what everyone else is doing, though, with the sea people? He's with them. Or. No, no. Okay.
Jack: Yalda isn't with him.
Cristina: Yalda is not. He left them.
Jack: You mean Szin. His son.
Cristina: Oh, okay, okay. Not Yalda. Yelda's the original.
Jack: Yalda's the original. The one who left suddenly, like, disappeared.
Cristina: What does he know? He knows so much. He knows everything. I don't know.
Jack: He likely has a philosopher's own. He's likely the reason for the fairy tree's existence in the first place.
Cristina: He's the reason for everything right now in earthrealm, it seems everything on motion. Everything from the first people to the people getting to know the shadow people. Like.
Jack: Yes. Because he showed up again to let them know. Yeah. The shadow realm, Drew.
Cristina: Yeah. It's too much. He has. There is whatever is this big plan. In the end of the day, it's his plan. Even if the sea people might not know. Like, they're doing what they're doing what they think they got to do for their. Whatever they think their end goal is. But whatever that is.
Jack: Because they're puppets to Yalda.
Cristina: Yes. It's all everyone. They're just puppets to this guy who already knows.
Jack: I mean, he doesn't know the future, but what do you think he. What do you think? Because it seems science so far.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So he doesn't know the future. It's science.
Cristina: No. Well, he knows that they'll eventually figure it out, I guess.
Jack: How?
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: Maybe that's why there's so many. Right? He's hoping.
Cristina: He's hoping. He's getting all. He put all the right pieces together and he's just watching it roll. I don't know.
Jack: Like, we don't know if he's watching it roll because again then we have this serpent Orpheomorphos and Autumn retaliating and turning on Yalda and then Yalda vanishing. Did they kill Yalda?
Cristina: I doubt it.
Jack: I doubt it too. But something.
Cristina: I think he's watching and I. That confuses me. And like, is there a bad guy? Is there a good guy? Will we ever know? I don't know.
Jack: How do you mean bad guy or good guy?
Cristina: Because just because he, like, is he bad because that guy was fighting him for his right.
Jack: No, war is war. There's no bad guy or good guy. This is differences.
Cristina: Okay?
Jack: Because I want my people liberated. You want them trapped. You made my people. But whatever, I want them free.
Cristina: It's kind of weird and because he is their God and I don't know. And he's our.
Jack: That's the question. Because with the problem is separating the idea of God, right? Like he's some see something. And like what do we mean by God at this point? If it's possible that everything is a product of science.
Cristina: Okay, well, I guess he's our maker. He's their maker.
Jack: Yeah, exactly. Like when. When we think of the Hedron Collider, when we smash two atoms together and we create a universe that comes and leaves in the fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a second that was a blink. We imperceptible to us smaller than. Than an instant we can realize. But if at the scale. Because size equals time perception. So at that scale, if we could somehow get so microscopically, so atomically small, so subatomically small, be beyond subatomic into the size of a particle that would equate to the size of a person in contrast to the size of the universe. But their case, the universe was that little instant that the us was a blood. If life happened in that tiny little nothing, are we the God we are, right? Is that the argument?
Cristina: I don't know. Would they even notice us?
Jack: Doesn't matter. They don't have to notice us. Are we God? Because that's what we're talking about when we're discussing Yalla. If it's all science, then if he's gotten. We're God.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Because we smash two atoms, create life. It comes and leaves instantaneously. But it happened and they lived full lives and their universe came and a bunch of stars grew and people lived and loved and died all in what was a fraction of a second to us, but to them was infinities long.
Cristina: I guess. Like if every God description is like the creator of the humans in some.
Jack: Way, then yeah, just creator equates to God. Then yes, that would be the case. Right.
Cristina: Think so.
Jack: Because we're dealing with an interesting situation. I wouldn't say man. The problem is that it does look like Yalla did set a lot of emotion. And like I would say, oh yeah, he's the sea people equivalent, but once removed. Right, he's the sea people equivalent with a crazy head start. So he's to the sea people what the sea people are to everyone else.
Cristina: Yes, that's why we have still no idea what they're doing. And we know that they're way more events than everyone.
Jack: Yeah, but he's unfathomably beyond. Yes, but they. None of these individuals have found their way to Mab. So we know she's incomprehensibly beyond.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Interesting.
Cristina: If they're trying to get to her.
Jack: Maybe I don't even know. It's because that's just an assumption at this point. Yes, we know they're trying to acquire the powers of magic.
Cristina: Yes. And we know there's teleporting into other realms. And as far as we know there's three plus they think there's infinite. Infinite and infinite amounts of realms. And they just trying to make the technology to get to any other besides the ones that are already known would be the goal. Just to create something that can get them anywhere and everywhere.
Jack: It seems like there are only three realms though. Like even when we look at somebody like the Norse who are describing nine realms, they're really talking about three realms subdivided. They're breaking up different parts that you could physically traverse from one part of the realm to the other part of the same realm.
Cristina: So then the end goal really is just to get to the fairy realm, I guess.
Jack: But we don't know that for a fact. We don't know. We have no f****** clue. That's the craziest problem. Like what really was the goal of making Jesus. Whatever it was, you f****** failed and you couldn't control the issue. But what was the goal, you know, in Yalda, who's out here making his own Naga and altering the humans he made so that they develop faster and then telling them about the Shadow Realm so that those two things connect and like what is happening. Fun fact though. Did he have awareness of the Naga? And did he make sure that advanced civilizations would happen so that Naga would be sent there? Do you see? If he's over here trying to make his own Naga and he put in motion the development of highly advanced civilizations to begin with. Was the goal to get the Naga sent there? Because they only go to highly advanced civilizations.
Cristina: Yeah. Then how did he know about it? Unless they had some already in the Shadow Realm too? Because we have no idea how large that is or what's happening there whatsoever. It's hard to picture. All I know is that one forest and the kingdoms. I guess we know about one that's now being led by a human. Or was a human. I guess You.
Jack: Well, let me go into the last tiny little bit that I think matters. I think this is very important.
Cristina: What?
Jack: There were many, many, many, many by specifically Keto. Many, many of these ripoff versions of Keto, you know, like Medusa and her sisters that were directed by Zeus to. This is a weird one. To head to the Isle of Man. To head to the Isle of Man where we know the fairy trees are. Once the Isle of Man was cleared out and protected by the one and only Mananan. The rip off Naga made by Kido had to go to the nearest landmass. Guess where they went?
Cristina: I don't know. Where? Ireland.
Jack: Ireland.
Cristina: How did I know? I knew it.
Jack: That puzzle piece just adds easily. They went towards Ireland and shortly thereafter, who shows up?
Cristina: St. Patrick. To kick him out.
Jack: To kick him out. And then he's over here trolling Monanam.
Jack: They don't like each other, but that problem needed to be fixed.
Cristina: Weird. Such a weird connection thing that's happening there.
Jack: Yeah. But with Kido and with Yalda, we have two instances of trying to create, I guess with Zeus and Yalda, because the two serpents would be Keto and Ophiomorphos that are trying to make others. But Ophiomorphos himself is artificial crazy. He's not made an Alphan. He's probably never come across Oros. But yep, that's where it got weird. And that's what I've got.
Cristina: And then we get back to St. Patrick. Amazing.
Jack: Yep. St. Patrick scaring off all the serpents. And the serpents he was talking about were actually just a bunch of artificial.
Cristina: Whoa.
Jack: Made by Keto, who was actually from the rival group.
Cristina: Just fake snakes.
Jack: Yep.
Cristina: From the Greeks.
Jack: Yeah, they were fake Greco snakes. Interesting, though.
Cristina: That is interesting.
Jack: So this is deep diving into the individual Maga. We already know. There are so many more. I'm gonna compile a collective and we can go through more of them. That'll definitely open doors to different civilizations we can check out.
Cristina: All right. But I guess none of those are as important as these snakes.
Jack: Yeah. Because we're talking mainly always about the civilizations that have moved forward the most. So we're going to be seeing snakes with a bunch of them that are advanced, but not particularly as advanced as these ones we're normally talking about, like the Maya, the Egyptians or the sea people or whatever Autumn's civilization is called.
Cristina: And is there more snakes that are just made?
Jack: That is a potential. That's possible. It might be the case because we have two instances in both realms, I guess. Two instances. One per realm.
Cristina: One per realm. Yeah.
Jack: So that's where we are.
Cristina: Whoa.
Jack: Anywho. Anywho, if you guys have any additional details on any of these individuals, because we will be talking about the other ones in the future. So if you know any details about.
Cristina: These, connect any dots.
Jack: Yes, Any dots that we're clearly missing, let us know. You can let us know on our socials. That's just Convopod on X, on Instagram, on Facebook, on TikTok.
Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate, and review the show.
Jack: And word of mouth, tell people if you worship a snake. Hey, man, I know you worship a snake, bruh. And here's a dude talking about snakes. Yeah, this duo here is talking about some snakes that are being worshipped. And really, it's just science, man. You just don't know.
Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.
Jack: Like, before we do it right, I'll just add this to the other thing and deal with it later.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But, like, let's be. Let's be absolutely real, dude. It's. It's annoying to have to keep going.
Cristina: Back to the same one.
Jack: It began as one. We saw some patterns and we thought it was interesting. So occasionally we revisited. Because adrenochrome here, Adrenochrome there was fun. We weren't thinking about. About depth in anything. But then eventually, after we saw some adrenochrome things, we found the connection between the shadow realm and adrenochrome and how a lot of stuff just mentioned kind of adrenochrome somehow gets you into the shadow room. Fine, whatever. Just random s*** that we find. Mythologies and this and that and whatever stories from people. But then we left that. You know, we did some government conspiracies on this end, and we went over there and did some, oh, here's some creatures, here's some weird mythology, and before long. Oh, oh, this is about adrenochrome too.
Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo, and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.
