Rambling 216: The Persian Golf Oasis AKA Atlantis
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Were the Atlanteans real? If so, can we prove it? And if we can prove it, who went out of their way to hide the truth and why? The duo unpack the true history of the Persian Gulf Oasis people, their history, records of their existence and where they fled to. Uncovering where they fled, why, and who took the opportunity to suppress their existence becomes a tale as old record keeping itself.
+Episode Details
- Atlantis
- Naval Rival of Athens
- Sea Peoples
- Egyptians
- The Persian Gulf
- Mayans
- A Future Tragedy
- Philosopher Philo
- Technological Advancements
- Mayan Glyphs
- The Height of Atlantis
- The Bronze Atlanteans
- Catholic Suppression Effort
- The Virgin from The Persian Gulf
- Jesus Christ the Son of the Persians
- The Atlantic Ocean
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+Transcript
Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.
Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.
Jack: And this is a show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today, there is quite the series of baffling ideas. Something that we've been kind of trapped. It's. It's an infinite, infinite loop of the same crap over and over. We can't even escape it. I've tried.
Cristina: You've trapped us in this loop. We're time travelers. Time travelers. Time travelers, like how they get stuck in a loop once they start using a time machine, which we did before all of this happened with Jesus.
Jack: I forgot that happened. And yes, absolutely is kind of sort of the case.
Cristina: Although this is somewhat unrelated. Right? This isn't related to Jesus.
Jack: I wish.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: No, it came full circle. This. This came full circle. It came full circle. We're trapped. I'm telling you, it's a loop. It's infinite.
Cristina: Okay, so.
Jack: So, okay, I need to, like, recap everything that has happened so that everybody knows, and I'm gonna give you episode numbers and everything. There's much more episode numbers that aren't in this list. I'm only talking about the recent stuff. There are many episodes from long ago that include ancient civilizations. That's talking about the Mayans, what happened to the Egyptians, what happened to the Mayans. Other episodes that include the Atlanteans roughly brushed over. Things that include unicorns, Rush roughly brushed over as well. Mythical creatures and things of that nature. But we have recently gotten stuck in a series that we can't seem to escape by any means. And it's kind of getting aggravating because the hole falls deeper and deeper. But I think we. We brushed over the main point, like, two or three episodes ago, and that gave us a direction as to where to go, which is how we landed at the most recent episode. And that took us here. So let me go through the idea. First we went, which was rambling, to 11. We were talking about unicorns. We were trying to figure out how to catch Santa Claus because unicorns have very similar magic. This started on a very ridiculous note, as usual. We f*** around a lot, and things sometimes make sense. You find two things that have the same abilities, more or less, and then you go and find the thing and try to, you know, make it make sense. So we went. We tried to break it down, try to understand how unicorns, their magic is so Similar to adrenochrome. And their blood is so similar to adrenochrome. And like, people really fixate on unicorns Dangerously, almost.
Cristina: Oh, yeah.
Jack: Minus the fact that it doesn't change people.
Cristina: But they all seem to die and become alive. Even though it's something that keeps everyone alive forever.
Jack: Yes. After they become obsessed with it. Because the thing is, nobody ever gets a hold of it. The attempt to get it gets you killed.
Cristina: But even the people who had it died.
Jack: They didn't know how to use it. They were studying it. Everybody was trying to figure it out.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And died in the process. That's the problem. While adrenochrome also gives you immortality, it almost always works too. And like, you're kind of good forever. You might lose your mind if you don't get it, but you're good forever no matter what. Its effects are permanent. While it seems like with the unicorn magic, not so much, but. Okay. So we go through the unicorns and we find a couple of odd things here and there and we diverge away. We're like, okay, we're good. We got enough information on this. I found something real interesting, guys. There's an old equator. There's an old equator that encircles vertically instead of horizontally on how we usually see the map. And it has a bunch of locations. But it's really weird because there's a lot of structures along this. Structures should, in theory, not have known that the old equator exists because we hadn't come up with physics. We have.
Cristina: What episode is that?
Jack: That's episode 212.
Cristina: Okay. And the next episode, though. Yeah.
Jack: So we, we dive in and we are breaking apart the equal details of the equator. And it's.
Cristina: Is that when we start talking about unicorns again or we just. We don't mention the unicorns in the episode.
Jack: We don't mention the equators in the episode. We just, you know, we're going through it, we're realizing that it's kind of strange that people who don't have the science, they don't have the math, they don't have the physics, they don't have the astrological know how or the understanding of Earth. They don't have the navigation ability, capacity, or the ability to get anywhere fast enough for within 100, 200 years to establish a clean line straight across the world in which entire civilizations built their monuments. They must have started all at the same time to have them built around the same time. That was incredibly strange. Really, really, really weird. And in going through this right we find out that one, it's called the great Circle. That is the old equator. There are many ancient sites on it, but there's one particular impressive site, the Pyramids of Giza, which we've talked about before as being particularly impressive things that exist. And the Pyramid of Giza is lined up with the constellations, and it lined up in such a way that its coordinates are identical to the speed of light. If you simply move the decimal point and change no numbers, just hinting towards extremely advanced technologies or sciences that should have been impossible for them at that time. Obviously, the instant paranoia of aliens, help them figure it out, or whatever, those came into question. But there was only one way to solve the problem of the old equator, and it was to find out. It was to find out how exactly they got the information. And it all pointed to one specific thing, roughly. And we had to assert a lot of things, but it claimed that one of the places needed to have highly.
Cristina: Advanced technologies, which would be Atlantis, which.
Jack: Lands in the Persian Gulf, which is also in the old equator. So it was perfectly placed that there would be one group of people who have extremely advanced technologies that could then give it to everybody else across the old equator along the planet. All of this checks out, except we had to assert it. But we know already, through enough research, that this spot is where Atlantis is said to have been by many different sources, but, you know, incoherent and not the greatest traceable, important details. They called it a paradise. The Persian Gulf oasis is what a lot of places called it.
Cristina: Before, it wouldn't be called Atlantis Pisa. Atlantis means it would be in the Atlantic Ocean. And this isn't the Atlantic Ocean.
Jack: This is just exactly. Okay, yes, you're on the right track. So the Persian Gulf oasis was the original name of this place. And according to any source, they were always very advanced technologically. Okay, so we're done with that episode. We're like, cool. Cool beans, bro.
Cristina: Cool beans.
Jack: Cool beans. We got info on things and stuff, and it kind of made sense the way we usually do, because we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And then you follow up with, wait, but what about last week's episode about unicorns? I'm curious as to what's magic about unicorns. Is there a proof of magic? And to which I was like, fair enough. There was a lot of stories of magic, but it wasn't any proof of magic. So fair enough. I'd go, I go on this journey to show you the proof. I'm a pretty good researcher. So I go on my route and find the things I need to find my yellow brick road.
Cristina: And that's when we discover that guy.
Jack: Antonio Dracos.
Cristina: Yes. Okay.
Jack: Antonio Draco centers the picture. He's a weird individual. He was mentioned roughly before when we were talking about unicorns. Just glazed over. Some dude who was mentioned when we were talking about unicorns.
Cristina: This is when we go in depth of his history and all that with the unicorn.
Jack: Yes. So this is episode 213. But back in the unicorn episode, we were. As we were going through details of unicorn, there were three mentions of unicorns in, like journals that people kept back then. Very rough, basic. Oh, I saw a guy who did the thing. One particular weird one was a ship captain was keeping actual records of the passengers aboard his ship. And he noticed a couple of weird things, including the guy who was the merchant, who was nameless merchant at that point. And he had what he was claiming was unicorn horn alicorn. And he made some potions and things out of it. And he gave people. He didn't see a particular case of a person who showed up crippled but left perfectly fine. But he knew people were taking it. So he asserted that perhaps this person had taken the potion and it literally healed them. That was as close as we got to proof of the magic. And then you wanted actual proof. So here we are, we dive into the guy who had it. Apparently there were records of him existing in many locations. And it was actually really easy to track this guy down after you find his name. So we went down that road, which began with a lot of public records. Now, most of these public records came from the same sources which were old. Old ancient Greek records. I say ancient, but that's an exaggeration of 1700s. 17. It begins actually at 1730, where it.
Cristina: Keeps track of this guy that's not really ancient.
Jack: Not ancient. Old.
Cristina: Yeah, old.
Jack: Very old. Public records. Now, where these public records become particularly important is that they really do manage to track this guy's entire existence, kind of excessively. So we find out that he gets the. He gets the unicorn horn from some dude named John, and he takes it and establishes a school where he tries to study it with a bunch of people. And these people then go on a quest to find other people. They cross an area, people find out they had the unicorn horn.
Cristina: There's some war that breaks out.
Jack: Yeah, the war breaks out between the Turkish and the Russians just trying to get a hold of the magical horn that they thought they found. And, okay, a lot of things happening. So Mystical horn. It's called alicorn when you have it. It's the material that the horn is made out of. You can make potions out of it. Unicorns particular tears are also powerful. But we don't have this. This is just data being talked about. There is blood from unicorns that is also said to be extremely powerful. But again, we're talking about the horn at this point. But these are just data points that this man comes up with doing research and asking around about unicorns. Now the Greek merchant crosses through the entire Russian area, through the Turkish area. The war breaks out and okay, great, fantastic. They gotta get the h*** out of there. The guy who he showed it originally with, in that they established a school, gets murdered. Eventually he gets killed too. The horn disappears. Now, going backwards, we find out that the very first thing John the Russian said is that I found this very important thing that you must keep safe atop a mountain called Athos.
Cristina: Yes. And that's where the next episode comes in.
Jack: No.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: Because the next episode is us truly trying to establish how the h***. How the. Like really, really. It's bugging me at this point. How are the people on the equator, realistically minus Atlantis, doing? How did. How did it happen? How did they put these structures on the old equator? So we go trying to find the missing link. We go and we find when language began in order to have records in the first place. Just talking, just talking. When they could communicate complicated structures. So we had to find out when conversation started. We have to find out when tools were built, because that's what's going to allow you to make these complicated structures in the first place. But just for the sake of it. We also went far back enough to find out how far back life began.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Where intellect began work, the conscious behavior that we now consider to be intelligent life that would later become humans began all these little details. And it so happened that it's way too far later after the equator. The old equator was 480 million years ago. And the beginning of this process was only about a hundred million years ago. That is an excess. And conversation really began, actually was 2.5 million years ago, when the intellect were aware of and the first words were ever spoken and the first tools were built. But humans as we know them right now happened about a hundred thousand years ago. And the first words that would later become sentences happen there, which actual sentences and complex language happening about 50,000 years ago, way far from 480 million years ago. We're way gone. And I'm talking really, really Fast right now, intentionally trying to do this recap as fast as possible, because there is a lot to go through. Now, the tools that we first found were the alderman tools. Those were what would later become the H*** sapiens. Atlantis is first mentioned in Greek records, as far as we knew. But we will correct that shortly when we put together many, many other records. Unicorn dust, unicorn horns, all mentioned briefly throughout this. And then we just quickly go over the prehistoric eras and the oldest known structures, which are way too new, with the oldest being about 12,000 years ago. And that is way too new compared to the old equator being 480 million years ago. The first advanced tools, not advanced tools, but basic tools being 2.5 million years ago. First words being spoken 100,000 years ago. First complicated sentences being spoken 50,000 years ago, and these structures first arising 12,000 years ago. There is a clusterfuck of incorrect timelines happening here. The solution we had was it's probably Atlantis. And we do a tiny bit of a deep dive there and really kind of comb through all the things necessary to find out. Yeah, okay, fair enough. If we insert this group of people who exist in the Persian Gulf oasis.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Then we solve a lot. They have to be able to accomplish things that seem impossible, but we say, hey, we figured it out. It had to be some. Either aliens or somebody was just advanced enough to do it. And we know that at least the Egyptians were way more advanced than we give them credit for. So, okay, we move on, and we go to Mount Athos, where we found out about the unicorns. This immediately gets astoundingly weird. Yes. When we find out. Hey, apparently, according to Greek records, the Atlanteans were there. Huh? The Atlanteans that were trying to solve the problem with the equator from.
Cristina: Yes. Riding on their Pegasus.
Jack: Yeah, riding on their Pegasus, landing atop Mount Athos for whatever reason. The same mountain where they're said to be unicorns. The same mountain where the Catholics are stopping people from going to the top.
Cristina: Wait, is that the same episode or that's the next episode?
Jack: It's all the same episode. This is the latest episode.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: That's 2015.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Where we see the unicorns are top of the mountain. The same mountain that a Russian named John said would have things. We also found out in a previous episode when we were talking about the records that two different records mentioned atop Mount Athos, they had come across unicorn horns.
Cristina: Yes. And we also found out that Mary somehow ended up there with a Pegasus, maybe. Question mark. Or a unicorn. I forgot what she wrote on.
Jack: She got there on a boat that got pushed off course on her way to Cyprus. And on her way to Cyprus, she got there, got lost, found this paradise island, and then she took a horse to the top of the mountain. But when you look at the mountain, that's kind of impossible because it's steep. In a really absurd kind of fashion.
Cristina: It had to be a unicorn.
Jack: It had to be a unicorn.
Cristina: Yes, yes.
Jack: Because traveling essentially vertical.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh.
Jack: The virgin thing makes sense because she was a virgin. Yeah. That was a very important detail that didn't make sense to you back then? No, yeah, no, of course. Yeah. She was on a unicorn that allowed her to go to the top of the mountain. This all fits. Little by little, all the pieces just fell into place. So this thing about the top of the mountain becomes quite intriguing. And we find out that the Christians stole a book from the Russians. There are many monasteries there. The Christians stole a book from the Russians and took it to the very top of the mountain where nobody travels. There have been 20 people in the last thousand years who have gone to the top, to the summit of the mountain. Nobody's allowed up there. It is the holiest ground, presumably because Virgin Mary went up there. Nobody's allowed to step foot up there, no matter what. We also discussed how Mount Athos came to be. There was a fight between Poseidon and Athos the giant, and either Poseidon threw a rock there or Athos was buried there, whatever the case might be. Now, weird things. Many relics are on this place. A bunch of these relics are on top at the summit, hidden with important details. But the most important is the fact that a pointless bestiary, that's what was taken. That's the book that was taken. A pointless bestiary. And there's only one thing that's particularly weird in that the mention of unicorns.
Cristina: How do you know that's mentioned in that bestiary? Are you assuming that it is?
Jack: No, because that is what the records say. It's a bestiary with the mention of unicorns. It is the same bestiary that was recorded in Russia. It was brought here as they were keeping records of all the different creatures, and then it was confiscated by the Christians and taken to the top of the mountain, where they refused to let anybody go. So a bcre that claims proof of unicorns, identifies them quite specifically, was taken to the top of a mountain. So nobody can look at it. Weird.
Cristina: Very weird. Okay.
Jack: And that's all at the summit of Mount Athos.
Cristina: And that is a good summary of.
Jack: Everything that we talked about, now we are caught up. So let's go through details. I found individually, just deep diving into the people we're trying to use to solve this problem, the Atlanteans.
Cristina: Okay, okay.
Jack: So first we have to keep in mind the Atlanteans is the name we're going with right now for very specific reasons which we will get to Atlanteans. And important because Atlantis important. Okay. So the Atlanteans were direct naval rivals of Athens, the Greek.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: The only thing that kept them at peace was Mount Athos, a trade point. They would arrive at Mount Athos on their Pegasus on top of the mountain, come down, trade with the people in the surrounding regions, and then leave. That's why Mount Athos is considered, although in Greece, a suffering state of its own. It is neutral territory between these two countries. Between everybody. Yeah, it's neutral territory on Earth. That's why there's so many different monasteries of different religions there from different countries and different belief systems. This is a peace location. Very, very important peace location. Treaties of all sorts. No blood is to be spilled on this mountain. Now, about the Atlanteans. There is a couple of things that aren't understood. Where did they go? When they were in the Persian Gulf, there was the Great Flood, which potentially cleared them out. That is when the Earth got flooded. Because of the position of where they were, there's a million rivers headed their way. While other locations would have sea levels rise significantly, although the water here wouldn't rise significantly, it would still head in their direction through the rivers. Many, many, many rivers. Which means they would suffer the worst consequences because from every direction, water is coming full force and it's going to smash into you. Crazy. Now, weirdly enough, we have situations. Two specific situations of people in Mass. 1, an entire series of population disappearing. The other, many people from a location disappearing. Those are the Egyptians and the Mayans. Very important that we mention these people right now.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: The Mayans allegedly go underground. We know that there are complicated tunnels, people disappeared, no trace. We're assuming graves on the ground. But assuming their technology was as advanced as suggested, they could have had electronics, they could be plugged into the Matrix, which is an episode we did a long time ago talking about the possibilities of that.
Cristina: We got to find that yourself.
Jack: Yeah. The other thing is the Egyptians that happen to have quite complicated technology engraved into the pyramids of Giza, they have instructions to use heavy technology. They have instructions on creating batteries and instructions on using a singularity based entanglement device. Which doesn't even make sense. And that is ritual. Ridiculously advanced for people who were thousands of years ago when they built this. That's okay. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Where'd you get it, bro? But. Okay, we'll leave that where it is and keep it moving. The Egyptians used to call the Atlanteans sea people.
Cristina: Okay. They live in the sea?
Jack: Well, they lived in the Persian Gulf.
Cristina: Is that a sea?
Jack: No, it's like a. I mean, I guess you could call it a sea. It's just very small. It's in between a bunch of countries in a small. It's more like a ginormous lake or something. It's a body of water, but I don't think it's a sea. Then again, you can call that a sea, I guess. It's not an ocean.
Cristina: Okay, fair enough.
Jack: It could be a sea. But they would call them the Sea People. Not that the. The name has to be literal or anything. Now, things we know about the Atlanteans. The Atlanteans are settled in the Persian Gulf at the height of their civilization's development. Cool. As recorded in Greek and Russian records. We confirmed this before that they were mentioned not just by the Greek, but by the Russians. And then as we kept looking, we found records from other people. I don't remember exactly who they were, but there were like six or seven sources continuously mentioning the. Actually, one of them was the Bulgarians as well. I remember that. So there, you know, there's a couple of records and mentions of the Atlanteans from different sources. So, okay, it's a little more valid that these people existed and perhaps helped to some manner, shape or form. Everybody who mentions them claims they are astoundingly advanced. More advanced than us is on every text possible. So one of two things occurred. As I said, either the Atlanteans were drowned during the Great Flood, which is likely a result of the comet that hit. Giant meteor that came from space, hit the water, created the flood, killed the dinosaurs, whatever. Presumably our timeline on that is messed up. And it wasn't the dinosaurs that died there. The dinosaurs died because of one rock hitting the Earth. But a different rock hit the Earth at some point, creating the Great Flood. Either that happened or predicting an incoming tragedy. Similar to the Egyptians and the Mayans, they fled, but in a different method. While the Mayans went underground and the Egyptians went to space, it is likely.
Cristina: They went to the Atlantic Ocean.
Jack: They went into the Atlantic Ocean away from the Persian Gulf, where the water is too turbulent. Anything that happens will shake that whole s*** up. But if you go to the center of the ocean, water is moving above you. You're nice and safe. Logic.
Cristina: How?
Jack: How what?
Cristina: That they did that. That's crazy.
Jack: How did they do what?
Cristina: Go in the. Under the ocean.
Jack: If we can go under the ocean. Now we're talking about people who are more advanced than we are.
Cristina: We can't go deep into the ocean though, right?
Jack: That's why we're talking about people more advanced than we are. We can go pretty deep. And we're like nothing compared to people who had the ability to submerge an entire city. Assuming that's the people we're talking about. That's beyond our capacity and our understanding. And again, we can go pretty deep in a tiny little submarine. Imagine people with the technology to travel around the entire Earth. Have sophisticated numerology in order to coordinate several different civilizations and align one to constellations and know the speed of light, cross reference these things and do it simultaneously. Like, okay. Definitely the least of our problems is how they did it. It would be too easy for them to do it.
Cristina: But why under water instead of in space? I guess if they knew, if they had the science to travel in space.
Jack: Why go to space if you don't need to go so far? I don't understand the question. Why go to space if you don't need to go so far?
Cristina: I don't know. It seems like they were into space.
Jack: Why?
Cristina: Why would they not want to travel space?
Jack: No, it seems like the Egyptians were into space.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: And it seems like the Mayans were into the ground.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Yeah. I don't understand. What about the Atlanteans makes you think they were into space?
Cristina: Because I thought they were the ones that helped the Egyptians figure all that stuff out.
Jack: Yes, but they helped the Egyptians figure it out. There's no mention of them ever doing anything space related other than helping the Egyptians out.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: In fact, the other plethora of civilizations had nothing to do with space. Some people were just building clocks to tell time on Earth. Like really complicated exact clocks, things that measured exact dates. Like that's all just based on Earth. There was only one group of people who were. It seems like every group of people had a different purpose to some degree.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Some underground, some in the space, some tracking time, some tracking this and checking that. So it's not like they were about one thing. If anything, they were trying to capitalize on all the different things.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And they didn't have anybody capitalizing on the ocean, so they took that one themselves. Also one of the more complicated things, because you can go to space, there's no pressure up there. It's harder to go underwater because. Immense amount of pressure.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: The further down you go, the less likely somebody is to follow you. Somebody can follow you into space. The Egyptians could have easily followed the Atlanteans had they gone to space, because the Egyptians themselves could have done it. But could the Egyptians have followed the Atlanteans to the deepest depths of the ocean? With that level of pressure, you could hide from anybody down there. Nobody will ever find you. In fact, that's literally the case. If you're down there, how the h*** are we ever gonna know?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: There's no way we can get to you. So those are the two possible situations. Now we have to consider the different people that mentioned the Atlanteans. Plato mentioned. And Socrates mentioned. This guy mentioned that. That guy mentioned. A whole bunch of people were talking about how they've been, where they've been. The first on record mention was in fact Plato.
Cristina: Yes, about. They're like 9,000 years more advanced than them or something.
Jack: So the mental. Actually that's not even Plato who said that that information came out much later, calculating the data that they had. Yeah. The information is that they were about 900,000 to about a million years ahead of the Egypt oceans at their height.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh.
Jack: So they must have peaked back then. That far back. And that they've just been coasting kind of from that point.
Cristina: Okay. And what the. Pluto.
Jack: Say Pluto.
Cristina: Plato, Plato.
Jack: It doesn't matter what Plato says. He was just the first dimension.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: We're talking about Philo. He claimed the Atlantis. The Atlantis was larger than Africa and Asia and that it wasn't even a great flood that took a mount, but rather an immense earthquake. This is directly conflicting with everything.
Cristina: Yes. So is it just another continent that went underground?
Jack: Essentially, he aimed towards the heaviest version of science. It wasn't some random event that. Like no biblical event. It just the tectonic plates shifted and this place sank as a result.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: His theory is it's still in the Persian Gulf at the bottom. Mmm. Weird. Totally different story. Now, he also claimed that it wasn't just technologically advanced, but the embodiment of a utopia. It was paradise.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Hence the name the Persian oasis.
Cristina: Mm. Makes sense.
Jack: Now, technologies were claimed to be more advanced than current day technologies by miles. We're talking that at that time, they claimed that where we are now is insignificant by comparison to what they thought those people were capable of. Yes, they Thought these people were capable of instantaneous travel from any point on Earth to any other point on Earth. That's something we didn't even know. Instantaneous travel. The unicorns and the Pegasus were just showing off. We got animals.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: We could just warp in front of you if we wanted to.
Cristina: Interesting. And some. Wait, what? Like, why would Greece even think that they could fight these people off?
Jack: I'm not entirely sure.
Cristina: That's kind of crazy.
Jack: It's crazy, right? But it also, although they were naval competitors, it was more about the territory, which is why the truce was settled and there was a neutral area established. Because who would show up there to trade? The Atlanteans. The goods were required. From who? From the Atlanteans. It wasn't that Athene's. You got to understand that also the people writing the stories are the Greek. So the Athenians essentially writing, oh, we were equal to them, but everybody else is like, not the bullshit.
Cristina: Okay, yeah, that makes sense.
Jack: We were totally equal and they were our rivals. And it's like, no, they could have. You were a speck of dust, a roach, not even an ant. You're some afterthought to them. But of course, you got to try to feel equal. But then, at the end of the day, they had everything you needed. They were way more advanced. They dominated the entire region. You completely, literally avoided that area simply because they were there.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So rivals. Kind of a crazy, absurd stretch. Now we enter an interesting, kind of weird area. The Mayans have hieroglyphs and texts, writings that actually mention the Atlanteans, but they don't mention them so directly. They just brush over a couple of details. So in some of their temples, on the walls, and in some tablets, they claim that the Atlanteans gave them the specs necessary to construct their entire civilization.
Cristina: Okay, but like, it's showing like, people from water came to them or something. It's not mentioning Atlanteans.
Jack: It's not mentioning people from water.
Cristina: It's not.
Jack: It's talking about people from the Persian Gulf.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Yeah, it's kind of almost directly mentioning them too.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: The people from the Persian Gulf oasis. But I'm still calling them Atlanteans for a very specific reason. We'll get there. Okay, but so the Atlanteans from the Persian Gulf came, gave them a bunch of information, and allowed them to then construct their very complicated, advanced, ginormous civilizations. Some of the Mayan writings went as far as to establish that all former ancient advanced civilizations were descendant of The Atlanteans.
Cristina: Okay, interesting. Yes.
Jack: Some texts allude to Atlantis having reached their greatest height roughly a million years beforehand.
Cristina: Which makes sense if there's really. What did we say? Way long ago.
Jack: They're ancient.
Cristina: No, that. That's where Adam and Eve are. There you go. There's.
Jack: Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. But that is nowhere near the start, considering that a million years is still a million and a half years after the creation of tools. So, like, people were around for way long time. It was definitely far from the beginning. Now we go into the next interesting tidbit. Now I'm gonna start slowing down the Egyptian texts. Fascinating things. This was really hard to find, but there were quite a couple of tablets and reference points and translations and people talking about it. So I was like, okay, this one was way confirmed. The Mayan stuff, translations and whatever. The Egyptian stuff, clear texts. Now, one curious set of Egyptian texts discusses a chamber beneath the Sphinx.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Which contains a hall of records that has Atlantean texts and the data that was provided to the Egyptians that allowed them to construct their massive civilization. This sounds identical to the Mayans.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And it happened simultaneously across the ocean.
Cristina: Interesting, interesting.
Jack: And they claim the same thing.
Cristina: Yeah. Wait, that he. They also claim that they're part of them like the Egyptians are.
Jack: They claim that they got all the information that allowed them to build their civilization.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Now, they don't say, no, we were all descended from them. But they do claim that all the data and specs that allowed us to build our entire civilization and their own records as a replica, like a backup, are kept under the Sphinx. There's a hall of records, massive, with all that data down there. Some texts elaborate on the symbolism of Atlanteans and what they had for lions as a great protector. Creatures of purity, forgiveness and sinlessness. Very important things here. They almost worshipped lions. Not really. Like, they were very scientific, but they had this immense respect. Everything was symbology of lions. And there are really old, like, crests in the Persian Gulf that have been found with the image of what seems to be lions. These are real physical things you can go and hold. And it has got what looks like the image of a worn out lion because, you know, water wears it and, like, tears it apart. Makes it look like crap, but, yeah, looks like lions. Now let's go into some quick descriptions of. Well, I guess the only description that really matters about the Atlanteans. They come from the Persian Gulf, the Persian Oasis, if you will, which means they're the south of Iran.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: They're bronze skinned, like the Greek. The whole region is the same. They're all. We always picture them as white people, but they're not, of course. They're just a bunch of tan people.
Cristina: The Atlanteans.
Jack: The Atlanteans have to be tan people. They're Middle Eastern.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: They're all just Middle Eastern. This entire time we were just talking about the Greek who were bronze and the Middle Eastern people. Yes, they are all just a bunch.
Cristina: Is this important?
Jack: Bronze people? Yeah. So because of the advancement of text around the world, the slow development of writing decided that it was very important that we don't allow the colored people to be, I guess people of color is the politically correct way to say this, but the people of color, so that we don't allow the people of color to be better, to be smarter, to be faster than us. We, the white people, need to establish that if we're gonna mention the Atlanteans, they have to be light skinned.
Cristina: What?
Jack: They have to be light skinned because then the people of color are better than us. The white people. Sounds very familiar. There's a group of people who do this quite often, but let's proceed. So in order to suppress their technological advancement, intellectual ability, their physical prowess, it was basic to just deep dive and just, just, just totally collapse that plane of they were bronze and slowly migrate to where they fled. They have been and will always be in the Atlantic Ocean. Where they fled to. No, they didn't come from the Persian Gulf. That's why we have to call them the Atlanteans, because they've always been over here where the white people hang out.
Cristina: Okay, so that's why the name change is important.
Jack: Yes. All the official texts, other than the ones from the Middle east and from the east of Europe, all of them suggest that they were always light skinned people. But these are all the white people writing it, while all the people of color claimed no, they came originally from the Persian Gulf. We have a conflict of interest. They're called Atlanteans because white people dominated. Too hard.
Cristina: Of course.
Jack: Of course. Now, quite interesting, the differentiation happens in the first century. This becomes kind of incredibly important as we start to consider what else happened at that time, the existence of Christianity. And the Christians decided to do a couple of things with people of color, was make them all white if they were important. All of them. All the time.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Yes, all the time. Now there's amazing details. Right, Interesting. So the push was kind of heavy and kind of successful to the point that we know them as the trend we're talking about, these translations in the original Greek texts, in Iranian texts, in even Russian texts, those are white people. They were always referring to these people as the Bronze people from the Persians. Persian Gulf oasis.
Cristina: Yeah. But then they were transformed into white.
Jack: They were just white people who.
Cristina: Blonde hair, blue eyes.
Jack: Blonde hair, blue eyes. Aryan supremacy and beauty. Okay, now let me tell you a story, a very important story. This story was really hard to track down. Was really hard to track down. But this story was pieced together by going through Iranian records, by going through Greek records, by going through Russian records. So a family was cast from the Persian Gulf, small family, and they went on a journey away from the Persian Gulf. They were trying to reach an island named Cyprus. On their way to the island, they landed at a location named Nazareth. When they got to this location, there was a huge conflict which was endangering the pregnant woman who was trying to get to Cyprus to give birth in the first place. They couldn't make it to the island. They couldn't depart from Nazareth. They had to redirect and they headed towards Bethlehem, safer territory. They took shelter in a barn from some people because they were just passing through. And that's where they gave birth. Okay, they stay here and, okay, this is our home now. This is where our child was born. 33 years later, this child dies and the mother decides, my mission was always to go to Cyprus and I will continue my quest to Cyprus. So she goes back to Nazareth, departs on her way to Cyprus, gets knocked off course and lands at Mount Athos. The suppression effort that the Catholic Church has done to prevent anybody from hearing this story.
Cristina: Where they originally came from where they originally came.
Jack: They weren't even from Nazareth. I don't even know what the point of hiding some of this was. But there's a bigger picture that I'm just not getting as to why this was important to do, other than the racist. They're not white, but also they come.
Cristina: From a fictional place or supposedly at.
Jack: This point, it's not fictional. Everybody has mentioned this place from every possible location.
Cristina: But the church.
Jack: But the church, at this point, it's not fictional. We're talking that there was a civilization, whether super advanced or not, there was something in the Persian Gulf, without a doubt. There was a civilization there. Without a doubt. If they weren't super advanced, okay, then they got drowned or an earthquake ate them.
Cristina: But Jesus is one of them.
Jack: Jesus came from the Persian Gulf. Jesus came from the Persian Gulf, went to Nazareth, then went to. To, well, Mary and Joseph were from the Persian Gulf, went to Nazareth, trying to go to Cyprus, were redirected to Bethlehem because of the conflict happening in Nazareth. They gave birth to Jesus Christ there, stayed there until his death, went back to Nazareth to then depart, going to Cyprus, only Mary, something happened to Joseph in that time, I'm assuming he died. And then on her way to Cyprus, got totally knocked off course from the winds. She had no idea what the h*** she was doing. And she landed at Mount Athos. She then went to the top of the mountain. And this is why we consider her store completely sacred, because she went there. Okay. The Catholic Church tried to suppress this. This comes from. Again, there are Iranian records. There are Greek records also important to mention. I didn't say this before when I started. These records are also in. This is why I started talking about the Egyptian and the Mayan records. Both mention these things in imagery, and they were completely separated. So when we get this information through media and things, there's almost an agreement to not mention them in tandem. They have to be mentioned separately. They cannot be mentioned together. That is a weird thing that's always happened. Why wouldn't anybody discuss these things back to back? But it is mentioned in the Mayan writings, it is mentioned in the Egyptian writings, it is mentioned in Iranian writings. This is mentioned in Greek writings. But you essentially have to piece the story together. Okay, so all of this information comes with a very specific purpose. Right. We have tracked the fact that the Catholic Church. We knew the Catholic Church has something to do with it. As soon as we got to a mountain that was, yes, riddled with monasteries, it immediately became really weird. And there was, you know, there were trickles here and there. They do a really good job of keeping themselves out of the picture while suppressing a bunch of crap. But if you look hard enough, it's there. You can't hide everything. There's too many moving parts.
Cristina: They're always involved in everything.
Jack: They're always involved in everything. So there is a road that just so happens to be really, really. It's actually at the beginning of the Bermuda, as we know, that takes us to. It's aiming in the direction of Bermuda, and it's a bunch of structures headed in that direction. So we can find the actual leftover traces or just ancient walkways and things. So we can see right here, I'm showing you some images. Anybody wants to look at it. We're talking about the Bimini Road. The Bimini Road is a road underneath the Bermuda, aiming straight at the heart of the Bermuda Tracker. We don't know if it goes as far deep as that because we can't go there ourselves because it's too deep. There's too much pressure. But we find structures underneath the water. Underneath the water.
Cristina: What is that circle thing? It's just a random.
Jack: I don't know what the circle is. This is just things underwater.
Cristina: And their favorite lion and their favorite thing.
Jack: A lion. Interesting. There's a lion underneath the Bermuda Triangle. Okay, okay, okay. So people mentioned in both the Egyptian and in the Mayan records how important, second, the lions were to the people of the Persian Gulf oasis. These symbols of purity and these symbols of holiness and these symbols of sinlessness. It's interesting that Jesus is always also represented by a lion. White Jesus, specifically, is represented by a lion. Very interesting fact. They converted all the little details about this civilization. The child that was birthed from their superior genes or whatever the case might be, had to become a white with.
Cristina: Like, what they did with the Irish stuff. Like, they didn't erase the things, they just changed it to their liking.
Jack: Yeah, they converted it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So then we go to the underwater city of the Gulf of Cambay. Now, this is what's interesting about this place. The Gulf of Cambay is the very tip of what used to be the Persian Gulf.
Cristina: Okay. So this is their old home that we're about to look at.
Jack: Old home. So when you look at this now, you start seeing some similarities, and it's.
Cristina: Like, okay, bro, an Egypt statue.
Jack: What looks like an ancient Egypt statue. But we keep in mind that the Egyptians got their specs from who? From the people from the Persian Gulf oasis. And this is located in the Persian Gulf oasis. Interesting. Yes, very interesting. We get here and we start seeing, like, bro, entire structures, entire buildings, civilization. Now, we can't find all of it because it's quite sparse. And they're everywhere you go, anywhere you find them in this area.
Cristina: Whoa. So there's really people living under there?
Jack: There were, at some point, in their homes. Yes. Fascinating, right? Structures of all sorts. Fascinating.
Cristina: And another lion details.
Jack: Another lion patterns. Physical proof of the things that the Catholic Church does not want you to know exists now. Yes. They'll talk about. Oh, yeah, there's cool things that people made over here and those cool things that people made over there. They don't want you to look at them back to back and then know about the records from the Mayans and the Egyptians and the Iranians claiming that there were people who respected lions, were highly advanced, weren't white. They don't want you to Connect these dots. They don't want you to look at this picture as a whole. So keep all the parts separate and claim they're different people. But all the people with the records claim it was the same people. All the people who aren't the Christians claim no, they weren't the same people. And they were way superior than you, the white people. Fascinating. Now, random bits of information from unicorns, because this is the end of the road right here. Random bits of information from unicorns. Trying to debunk the ideology of unicorns. This is just trying to run through all the information that I got. The tallest horse. Unicorns are said to be as large as possible. The largest horse is the shire. Now, there is an argument that the people of the Persian Gulf did in fact have a, that they bred horses, particularly shire horses. They weren't talking about interesting space horses or magical being horses or whatever, but the argument was that the people of the Persian Gulf oasis bred the tallest horses. Found a particular couple of them, they had a birth defect, and then bred these continuously into a genetic pool so that they would all have these unique features.
Cristina: They're not magical, they're just born that way.
Jack: No, because Mary still rode one to the top of the freaking mountain.
Cristina: That could be just a special skill it has.
Jack: It could be. It could be like a goat. Yeah, some goats can just travel vertically. Now, these were bred in isolation with the defect, so to keep them away from the ones that didn't have it, so that it's no longer a defect, it's just a characteristic. And often times because of their bronze skin, the best contrast was the lightest horse, the white one.
Cristina: Okay, but then where does the Pegasus come from? Like, how would they confuse those two things?
Jack: I don't understand where the mention of the Pegasus comes from, because the Pegasus only comes from the Russian and the Greek record. Iranian records don't mention it. The Egyptian records don't mention it, and the Mayan records don't mention it. So I, it's. This is that leads to an interesting place where there is some information actually missing relative to that. But we do have proof of the physical locations where these things are.
Cristina: Okay. Got unicorns. Okay.
Jack: Yeah. So the potentiality that unicorns were intentionally bred, and if we are also talking about. Now this is where we do introduce the aspect that might be considered a little bit magic, but it's not, it's technology. If we have the ability to breed these in isolation and get these genetic defects to be just a normal occurrence so that you have actual unicorns you understand genetics well enough to do this. On top of the fact that you have highly advanced technologies. It is possible that you created some sort of something thing that defies our understanding of how creatures work. Because you're so far ahead of where we are even now. Okay, so it's not magic, as opposed to just genetic masterpiece.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: That might have some sort of ability. I'm not thinking flying. I'm thinking you're right. It's a huge horse with a horn that can travel vertically by climbing, not flying.
Cristina: Yes. That makes so much sense.
Jack: We've grounded the unicorn.
Cristina: Whoa.
Jack: We found the locations of the previous home and the new one and identifiers that tell us it was the same people. Because they had the same lion in two different locations.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And we know that according to the Middle Eastern people people and the Egyptians and somehow the Mayans across the ocean. We had a full story, actually more complete than the bullshit that Catholics and Christians talk about as to where Jesus really came from, which was from the Persian Gulf oasis. They were cast for whatever reason, which tells us they were probably not the best people. They were cast out of a place that is considered a utopia. Keep that in mind.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh.
Jack: And we know this is like the.
Cristina: Devil child, Like they knew.
Jack: There is a high probability of that because you're in Utopia. Why were you cast out of utopia.
Cristina: While you were pregnant?
Jack: Oh, you're pregnant. You must have done something. But this lady happens to have a unicorn, so we know that she must have gotten it from where? From the Persian Gulf oasis. We know that she was cast from where? From the Persian Gulf oasis. They rode this horse into Nazareth, then they rode this horse into Bethlehem. They had this horse seemingly for a really long time, and it lived until the death of their child. Then she alone went to Cyprus, failed to get there, got to Mount Athos and climbed the mountain on top of this very specialized horse. Then went to the summit where something weird happened and we don't hear about her anymore.
Cristina: She went back home. Because we also know that there's somehow a connection between that point.
Jack: Yes, there's a connection between the top of that. But here's the thing. By the time that's normal, I'm thinking that the move had begun from the Persian Gulf. So perhaps they were still at the Persian Gulf oasis, but they started construction at the Atlantic spot for some future event that either already happened or hasn't happened yet, but took place after the death of Jesus. And who knows, Maybe it happened, maybe it hasn't. Aiming towards the future of that point, it could still be coming. We don't know why so many of the Egyptians suddenly disappeared. We don't know why so many of the Mayans, or literally all the Mayans just disappeared. And we don't know why it was so important if there wasn't some crazy catastrophe yet. Was it important for the people of the Persian Gulf to also escape? We have three massive civilizations, completely advanced, all of which potentially added survival measures for an event that we haven't seen yet. And it's coming. Whatever it is, these three civilizations think it's coming. On the flip side, they all got their information from the same source. So maybe they were all paranoid about something that might or might not even be true. But they all got the information from the same group of people.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Okay, so it happened that long ago. Maybe, but we're talking about people who are a million years old. The scale at which they can calculate events is immense. It's very different than us. If you are that advanced a million years ago, what does that say about your ability to calculate to the future? The events could be millions of years ahead of us and we would never know.
Cristina: Okay, that's so weird that they didn't want this baby to be born with them, but then they would take her.
Jack: Back because she went alone to the top of Mount Athos and she left. They came and claimed her in whatever flying horse thing they had, because now we talk about the Pegasus isn't magic. It's a horse with wings. That, again, could have just been a genius engineering of breeding. Breed the biggest, largest bird to be bigger and larger, and then somehow genetically mix what matters into a horse so that their bones are incredibly thin and they're incredibly light and these ginormous wings can support the weight. It's not the hardest thing in the world if you are a master of genetics. We're not.
Cristina: But this very futuristic civilization, civilization could.
Jack: Probably easily do it. And a Pegasus is probably, again, just the work of engineering, the same way a unicorn is probably just the work of engineering. Now, this unicorn horn, how it has magic, how it has this ability to heal people. Again, not magic. But you've created something so pure and advanced, advanced that maybe its genetics could actually help humans. Again, this is just science at this point, but it's highly advanced science. So it's not magic. We're all thinking it's magic because we don't understand it.
Cristina: It's beyond our scores.
Jack: Okay, yes, but now it's just science. It's all science. Everything is science. Anything sufficiently advanced Enough. Any science, any technology sufficiently advanced enough is indistinguishable.
Cristina: Of course. Yes, that makes sense.
Jack: Now we have a full circle. We have the people who gave all the people on the equator the technology. They clearly do exist. We have the Catholic Church actively trying to hide it, which tells me more. They're real. If you weren't trying to hide it, I would be like, okay, it's just crazy people with stories. The fact that the Catholic Church is trying to hide it. No, it's real. It's real happening.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: As soon as the Catholic Church is involved. It happened.
Cristina: Hiding unicorns, Hiding Mary.
Jack: Yes. They were trying to hide by doing this. All of the efforts. Just think of what all of the efforts are. Hide the unicorns, hide the Pegasus. Don't let people go to the top of the mountain. Rewrite Jesus as the white guy. Rewrite the people of the Persian Gulf and erase their history. Just say they were always from the Atlantic Ocean. It's all in an effort to take claim and be the most powerful civilization.
Cristina: Of course. Yes.
Jack: Interesting.
Cristina: What?
Jack: But we do have an interesting problem now.
Cristina: What?
Jack: The story of Jesus. He comes out of the Persian Gulf. Well, Mary comes out of the Persian Gulf, goes to Nazareth, avoids conflict, goes to Bethlehem. Has Jesus. Jesus died. She goes back to Nazareth. She goes to Cyprus, then heads to. To Mount Athos, Goes to the top, then gets taken by the people of the Persian Gulf back to her people. What was the point of not having the child? Or was it Joseph? Was she loyal?
Cristina: Maybe she was on a mission. Maybe this is part of their plan.
Jack: Because the documents, the records suggest she was cast out.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Not that she left. She was cast out. That is very important detail.
Cristina: She was cast out, then they would take her back. That's the weird thing. So it had to do with Jesus or Joseph? Yes, yes.
Jack: It wasn't her because they took her back either. She was loyal to some sort of criminal named Joseph that they were not gonna keep. And she's like, well, I'm gonna go with them. And then when she was no longer with him, because the story goes, she got to Mount Athos, she went to the top of the mountain, she got taken back. So we don't know if it was Jesus or Joseph that was the problem here, but there was clearly a reason that they didn't want her when she was involved in this. Yeah, but as soon as she was done with it. You good?
Cristina: Yes. Crazy. I wish we could tell. Which is it? Because it could be Joseph. It doesn't have to be Jesus. Like he's an easy one to point to because he's the magic baby, but it doesn't have to be that fascinating.
Jack: No.
Cristina: Yeah. That is so crazy.
Jack: And that is what I've got. That's all the crap I managed to find with literal locations and photo proof of the same lion that they seem to highly respect being in two different underwater locations and that itself being converted into the story of Jesus as well. Beautiful. Beautiful.
Cristina: Amazing. It's all connected.
Jack: Nice try. Catholic church. I'm better than you are. Anyways, that's what I got.
Cristina: Well, it's mind blowing.
Jack: Atlantis might have been real or might be actively real at the moment. And they were the people of the Persian Gulf.
Cristina: And Mary is one of them.
Jack: Mary is one of them. So is Joseph. Yeah, as far as we know. Interesting, though.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So that's what we got.
Cristina: That's just so much information.
Jack: Yeah. I had to rush and we still made it exact, so. So you guys want to go through all these episodes? Feel free to do that. There's many, many. And there are. Aside of the episodes that we just mentioned at the beginning here, there are so many others. But before you do that, if you guys have any questions, if you guys have anything you want us to know, add ons, details that you're aware of. Anybody who can translate some of the things that are harder to translate and get corrupted easily, feel free to give us direct translations. Any piece is an important piece. You can find us on TikTok, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, all usconvopod.
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Jack: But I bet that's how that works. I bet. Like, let's think about it, right? So serial killers, right? They. They have some weird ulterior motivation that makes no sense. It's this weird. I mean, I guess it makes sense to some degree when you think about it. That's why I know. That's why they're trackable. Right. There's a pattern. There's, like, a method to the madness.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: The difference between a serial killer and a crazy person, is it. A serial killer isn't a crazy person. They're actually completely sane.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And that's the problem.
Cristina: Yes. Because they do have a reason.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: It may not make sense to you.
Jack: But they're enjoying what they're doing. They truly have motivation and reason. And just because you wouldn't go out and kill a specific type of person in a specific type of way does not mean a serial killer wouldn't go out and kill a person in a specific kind of way.
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