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Rambling 298: The Grounding of Stuff Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised. Jack: Going live in 5, 4. Cristina: What does live mean? Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack. Cristina: And I'm your host, Cristina. Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And I think we've been doing that successfully lately. Cristina: Yes. Jack: So last week and the show before then, we were trying to get to what I was trying to talk about this entire time, but we got busy grounding things because that's our job. And that sidetracked us from getting to our one and only goal that this week we're definitely, without a doubt, gonna get to, which is, again, the fill people in on everything. And we've been doing this for a very long time. All we ever haven't. Cristina: Yeah. I don't understand. We've been doing what we've been supposed to be doing. Jack: Well, because grounding is our job, we can easily get sidetracked into grounding things because everything is groundable, if that makes sense. Cristina: So then we've been doing our job. Jack: Yeah, yeah, it's. It kind of loops back and forward to some degree, but I think we have some pretty good Grady greatest hits when it comes to grounding things. I think the whole Elation saga was beautiful. There's a lot, but it's infinite. And like, that gets frustrating. I think finding independent creatures that aren't related to them dope, and many things that are related to them dope. And it's funny because a lot of that, even finding the Elysians, really began about trying to see what the h*** was happening at the Bermuda Triangle. Cristina: That's where it started. Jack: Yeah. We were trying to find out what was happening in the Bermuda Triangle and then looking into clouds. Cristina: And then I thought it started with the unicorns. Jack: Well, that led us to the Alicorn that Antonio Dracohan. And that's kind of technically, that's the beginning. If this was a movie, if this was structured into a movie, the way that it built up into the Elysians. Right. Not even talking about the Elysian specifically, but a meta look at the show we were originally looking at. I think it was. Oh, no. Because then we migrated to the Groundhog. We were just looking at creatures and we were breaking apart clouds. There were some weird cloud patterns that we wanted to look into. And so we went through an entire breakdown of clouds, and then we veered off. We knew that the something weird was happening with that collection of clouds on top of the Bermuda Triangle. So that Allured us. Do you remember that? Cristina: Yes, but I don't think that had anything to do with Alicia. Jack: Not yet. Cristina: That was part of whatever story we had before. Jack: Well, no, because we were trying to find out what was happening directly under them. What was. What were they there for? Why was there a collection of clouds over the Bermuda Triangle? And I think then we looked into the groundhog, which I don't know if he ever finished his training. Cristina: Was it. Yes, he was part of training. To talk to the clouds. To the clouds? To get the clouds to talk to the sun, I think. Jack: Yes, because the sun is technically a cloud, too. Cristina: I think we were trying to stop some impending something from the cat People. Jack: Yes. Maybe an invasion or something. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Oh, no, no. We were trying to originally. Originally find out what was happening with the other stars disappearing in the great void. Cristina: Oh, yes. Jack: And we would need to talk to the sun to do it, which we. Cristina: Would use with clouds, but we thought we could use the. What is it? The. The groundhog. Because he could communicate with the weather. Jack: Yes, exactly. Oh, man. Cristina: The last one just died. So we had to train a new one. Jack: Yes. We had to give him adrenochrome. Cristina: Yes. Jack: He was Phil, right? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: It was Steve. Philly is the one who died. And then Steve was his replacement. A random groundhog we just gave a bunch of adrenochrome and started training. Cristina: Secrets of hogs is that they always were taking adrenochrome. Jack: No, it was specifically the one for. The one that they were talking to. Cristina: Yes. Yes. The groundhog 00:05:00 Cristina: that was chosen for Groundhog Day is always taking a dream. Jack: But that one died. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And so we were training one the way they were doing because we accidentally killed Phil. Cristina: I think so. Jack: I don't remember how we killed Phil, but we killed Phil. I know that much. Cristina: I believe that is right. Jack: And then maybe they don't even know we replaced Phil. They don't know. They're just humans. And then we replace Phil with Steve, and they have no idea. And then secretly we've been training Steve in order to talk to the clouds so that the clouds. Specifically weather, I guess, which was also bouncing off of when we were talking about lightning as a component, but unrelated to the clouds, because those are two different individuals interacting. Cristina: Yeah. So that's the idea. And then we're gonna communicate with the planet somehow. Jack: And then we're gonna get. Go on and on Steve. To talk to the clouds. The clouds would talk to the sun. The sun would. But still, something weird was happening down there. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And actually, Steve wasn't going to talk to the cloud specifically. There was a cloud with a face that we were gonna go talk to. Cristina: And we needed. Jack: Yes, yes. And we needed Steve for that. Cristina: Okay. Jack: So we were specifically gonna talk to that one cloud. That's a cloud. God or some crap. A demi cloud. And he was gonna talk to the sun or something. Cristina: I guess so. Yeah. Jack: Cool. But in doing so, we were like, weird that these clouds have. They're like floating over the. The Bermuda Triangle. And so we veer off and we're looking at different underwater things. I know. We were doing that for a while and we stumble upon. Actually, no, we ignore that for a while because we did Bimini Road, which we didn't. We thought about, you know, leading into the. Again, from a movie's perspective. It saw us doing these things, and then it shows us going somewhere else and discovering a different clue. But the. The. The viewer knows. The viewer knows. It's like, oh, this is related. The Bimini is by the Bahamas. A little tiny road that we looked at a long time ago that had the statues underwater. And it was like, kind of aiming towards the Bermuda Triangle. And we're like, oh, yeah, they're definitely down there because of xyz. Reason we still didn't know that the Elysians are the Atlanteans. We're just like some other people over there. And then we started looking into the Persian Gulf oasis because we were doing Atlanteans in specific. We were still calling them Atlanteans until we got to Antonio Draco. Cristina: I feel like before him, we were talking about the equator. Jack: Yes. Which was another thing related to them, wasn't it? But again, we didn't know. We're just like this giant equator surrounding the Earth. And it looks like these places built along this line were all in communication with one another or in communication with some bigger governing body. But they were all in sync with us. We still haven't found out what the point of that was. I thought we did the whole equator line. I know that a bunch of them died out. Is it because it was the line which. Cristina: Like, which Satan went to give them the tech? I guess it's easier for him to travel in a straight line. Jack: Yeah, I guess. Or maybe delivery was easier between the countries. So, like, we keep passing it down the line. We're all next to each other and he doesn't have to personally deliver it. It'll always keep rolling down the path. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Or maybe the equator is just the line in which the civilizations were Gonna be built like they were starting there. So we see them as just. Cristina: But why did they choose that? Jack: I. Why versus, like become a bubble or. Versus, like anything? Squiggly line. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Why a straight line, Right? Cristina: Yes. Jack: I have a theory on that. And I think it has more to do with Hermes. If you look at a lot of Hermes research, there were a lot of these symbols. He was essentially, if you remember, he was building comprehensive, like transmutation circles with a bunch of detailed symbolism and junk as part of meditation and energy moving and whatever he was doing. I think similar to the Hedron Collider, which is probably one of those. I think this line surrounding the Earth was the beginning of a complicated design that maybe was to envelop the Earth or a design that does in fact envelop the earth. And we have only found that specific 00:10:00 Jack: version of it interesting. Cristina: If it relates like, was he murdering them? Like, did they die off or did he kill them? Jack: No, no, no. Oh, well, that's another interesting. Cristina: Because we know the first. There was a different line and no one made it from that other line. Jack: So you think the Kearney. No. But the equator is just where everything moves along. I guess they must have done it ahead of time. Interesting. Interesting. Look at it like this. Look at it like this. Because this does have to make sense to some degree. Right. The equator gradually shifts place. The globe exists. And the equator is always by itself moving simply because of how rotations work and whatnot. So what if the line is starting to catch up? But they built society there and never told them. These guys are always working in secrecy. And the equator slowly kept migrating to that line. Slowly kept until it lined up. We know that alignments matter. We know the solaces work in Castillo in order to bridge a gate that allows people to go into the Shadow Realm and teleport along. So that's. Alignments matter. Somehow. If they built civilization, let's say north to south and started the line west to east, and it was always moving clockwise. It would eventually migrate from west to east to north to south. If in that moment something happened. Great transmutation. And all those people died. Philosopher stones. This could explain why some of these structures are some of the oldest ever seen. Cristina: Yes, they were. They weren't building on that line when it was the line. No, they were just way before the. Jack: Build on the line. That was unreal. And nothing they could track. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Or understand. Cristina: But someone did. Jack: Yes. And in order to get them to do this successfully, they did need technology. Maybe it was never about sharing the Technology. And the way we think about it, for Lucifer, maybe Jehovah man, we jump back and forth here real hard. Cristina: Bad guy. Jack: Who's the bad guy? Cristina: Okay. But Lucy was doing something sketchy. Jack: He was doing something sketchy. He was doing something really ridiculously sketchy. Because everybody was gone. Cristina: Yes. Jack: There's nobody there at all. It's all 100% gone. All that really exists is the ruins to that. And Jehovah recorded is telling him no. He is like, but come on, bro. We need this. Cristina: Yes. But we know he at least did it or tried to do whatever it was that he did twice. Jack: Because when he went to Shadow Realm. Cristina: No, because there was an old equator line that is destroyed of ruins and stuff. Jack: And the newer one, the new equator line, has nothing built on it. Cristina: It has nothing built on it. Jack: No. Oh, the new equator line is just where the line kept moving to. Cristina: Oh. Only the old one had the ruins. Jack: Only the old one had the ruined lines. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: If there is, we don't know where because nobody's thought about this. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And maybe it would be trackable. Maybe major cities line up in a way we never thought about or something. And then one day, by default, because. Cristina: It could be more than one line. Through the Earth. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Around the earth. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: We just have to find. Jack: We would just have to find to connect the dots. Cristina: Yeah. And it has nothing to do with the equator. Just. We just need to see that pattern. Jack: But you know what's even scarier at this point, this means that 12,000 years ago, we weren't beginning to develop. We know that their technology was crazy, but they weren't beginning to develop immense technology. They were already at earth scale technology. 12,000 years ago, they could just, in one shot, boom, across the earth, kill everybody and make. Well, at least along the line of the equator. Maybe they didn't want to erase humanity. Cristina: That's what I was thinking. That the whole purpose of that would be so that not all of it was gone. Jack: So maybe they don't even need these factories like Epstein's Island. What the h*** is that for? Well, then again, where it's two different purposes. Cristina: Specific people. Jack: Yes. That's to drain. That's for adrenochrome. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Versus something like stone. The stones. So maybe they've been able to make stones casually, whenever they want. Cristina: Yeah. We just need to find more lines. Jack: We just need to find more lines. On the flip side, wars are an easy way, and they're clearly in charge of the government. Cristina: Somehow 00:15:00 Cristina: that seems more of adrenochrome. Than a stone thing? Jack: We don't know. Cristina: We don't know. Jack: We don't see. In some instances, we see the bodies, but in other wars, it's just like, oh, yeah, some private attack happened. And it's like, wow, really? Or is it only when we drop, like, bombs and we can't go look at the evidence? Like, that was probably no bomb. You guys are just showing us a bunch of. And really, at the end of the day, what happened was you guys made another stone. Cristina: Would the bodies disappear? Jack: The bodies would disappear. Cristina: Okay. Jack: If it's for adrenochrome, the bodies would stay. Cristina: Mm. That's why most of them has to be for adrenochrome. Jack: Have you seen the bodies in most of them? Cristina: I think someone has. Jack: How do you confirm that person was real and not just another person? Just saying. Oh, yeah, I saw it. Cristina: Oh. Jack: I bet North Korea makes stones regularly. Cristina: Who would know? Jack: I bet there's human farms there where they breed humans. Because nobody knows where they breed humans. And then just en masse. But you dilute the genetic pool if they're always just cattle. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And you're just making the. There's something about the more complex the life force. Well, the life form than the more complex life force. Yeah. What is the rule? The more complicated the life form, the more complicated the life force. The less complicated the life form, the less complicated life source. It began a long time ago at Butterflies or some s***. Weird. Because we discovered a bunch of adrenochrome before we found out it was connected. Cristina: Mm. Jack: We found it through butterflies. Well, we've heard about it here and there, stumble upon things kind of pointing in that direction, then when they looked at it, and we found that through butterflies, that was, like, the original, like, attempt. And then other people throughout history, which I remember specifically, we looked into that were figuring it out in other ways. The countess in the 1700s or 1600, somewhere around there. It could have been the 13th. Who the h*** knows who was killing her? Her maze. That was for adrenochrome. And so we found, again, adrenochrome somewhere else, and we didn't. She might have not known, and we might have not known. But, again, a bunch of people did, though. So maybe she was in the in group who knew about adrenochrome. And although the people who wrote about it didn't get it, she knew why she was doing it. She stayed young, and they were all, oh, yeah, she was using it for her skin. And that was. Make her stay young. And it's like, no she was drinking that s***, bro. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: That's why she actually. That's why it actually worked. F***. That's exactly why it worked. She was killing them b****** and drinking it. And they were. The people reporting on it didn't really understand. They thought she was bathing in it, but she was just putting it in the tub to have a source of it. Cristina: Ew. Jack: She could continue to drink. I guess she was vampiring the f*** out. And this has a lot to do with the area she was in. They probably thought vampirism worked this way. We interpret it in the horror movie style, but vampires are relatively new. They weren't. Cristina: Vampires are based on adrenochrome. Jack: Vampires are actually just based on Dracula, and Dracula ain't even that old, so. S***. You get my point. Like, there wasn't a concept of vampires back then. Their understanding of a vampire was crap. Like the Countess. And like, Dracula could have easily been based on the Countess in a castle. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Attracting maids. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And drink. Literally drinking their blood. Cristina: It's the same story. Jack: It's the same story. And we found the Countess and we found a couple of, like, old school serial killers who were doing the same thing. We. We did that for Halloween one. So we were just looking at weird instances like that. We have a couple of really good Halloween episodes. Cristina: Well, didn't do any this year. You got anything for right now, this. Jack: Moment to do some Halloween? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: No, I don't now. We didn't do it for this year, but next year we should hit all the holidays. Find. I mean, it's interesting to go look at something that we haven't looked at for a while and with new eyes and find something we missed before. Cristina: Yes. Have we ever did a Thanksgiving thing? Jack: We've done many Thanksgiving. Cristina: Oh, yes, we have. But we haven't talked about the turkeys that we save that we pardon. I don't get that. Jack: We pardon turkeys. Cristina: Yeah. The President pardons turkeys every year. Yeah. He puts them in a hotel, keeps them fed and happy, and then he, I guess, brings them in front of people like the, like. I don't know, like the groundhog. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: And 00:20:00 Cristina: it's like, these turkeys cannot be eaten. Eaten. Jack: They must die of old age. Cristina: Yes. And I don't know how anyone keeps track of that. Jack: I bet. I bet that's the turkey the President eats. Cristina: Oh, that's awful. Jack: I bet some president was a douchebag and did that. If that's not the case, somebody was like, you know what? This is a stupid tradition. I want that turkey President. But no, no. Replace the turkey. Nobody's gonna know. I want that turkey. I want to eat a famous turkey. Cristina: The one that you said can never be eaten. That's messed up. Jack: Why? What's the difference? How would anybody even know as long as the illusion persists? Cristina: I don't know. I feel like you'll get. You will not get away with it. Jack: I. I want to get away with it. And then on my deathbed as president, I'll be like, get cameras and everything. I'll be or ex president, however that works. And I'll be like, for the world to know I ate that turkey. Cristina: That's messed up. Jack: Boom, boom. Will anybody give up? Nobody's gonna give a. They're gonna be like, he ate a turkey. Cristina: They're gonna say, you're a monster. Jack: If they. If it happened, like, the next day that it came out, they would be like, oh, my God. Yay, though. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Right now, most of them send you. Cristina: To jail to rest, to live the rest of your life to. Jack: I'm. I'm on my deathbed. Cristina: Who cares? You're gonna be in your deathbed in a jail cell. Jack: That's. I mean, I guess it wouldn't matter to me. Cristina: It wouldn't matter to you? Jack: No, no, it wouldn't matter. I'm already dying. Like, what do I got? Days. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Like, spend the rest of my days in a place that has to take care of me for a fact. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Whoa. Cristina: But you'll be in orange or whatever color those suits are, and then they. Jack: Die in a box. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: That's cool. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Concrete box. Who else did we find that was using adrenochrome? Oh, we found some Greek stories with it. That was afterwards. That was after we found out the Elysians. When do we find out they were called the Aletians? Cristina: Probably to do with Greece or Egyptians or. I think it was Egyptian. Jack: I think it was in the text that the Egyptians had discussing the Elysians, because they also referred to them as the Sea peoples. Cristina: And so did the Greek. Not the Greeks, the Mayans. Mayans. Jack: We looked at Maya a bunch of times. We looked at my. A long time ago without knowing they were connected to the Egyptians. Cristina: And we also, like, recently found out that they have portals to the shadow realm. Yes, that we think. We were thinking there. Jack: No, we knew they had portals to the shadow realm. We found out recently they were crossing people regularly. Cristina: Yes. Yes. That's happening everywhere. Jack: Yes. Cristina: And we had no clue that was happening. Jack: Yeah, we looked at that. Didn't know that there was this Entire civilization there went like two years without having any idea. Meanwhile, we found the. The villages around the world, including the one in Puerto Rico. That's a really famous one. All these groups that are just mixed shadow realm, Earth realm creatures found out. Cristina: All those people that were talking crazy stories about, like, I'm afraid that my child's gonna be kidnapped by a fairy. And then we realize, oh, crap, there's. Jack: They're onto something. They're on to. They were. It wasn't fairies, but they were kind of on the market. Cristina: Yeah, they were. They were close. Jack: They were close. They were close. There's a bunch of creatures kidnapping children. So it was based on some interesting y. Cristina: They were insane. Jack: No, man. It is a kind of weird road that took us here. Adrenochrome was a weird one. We found that so many times because. Cristina: It'S the easiest way. Jack: Everything, even by accident. I really, really. I always think about the story about the wolves in the. In the battlefield and how they would go out and like, when they were starving because the battlefield scared off all the other creatures, so they had nothing to hunt, and they were just out there feeding on the freshly dead people. But those people were in war, bro. They had just unloaded their guns, had the guns unloaded on them, seen friends die, seen bombs go off maybe in that time, or depending when. When wars happened. Because this was in the, what, the 17, 1970s, 1917s, and another one again in the 1950s. So there was bombs already. And like, this resulted in some crazy creatures, bro. Yes, that's nuts. Werewolves, which then, in hindsight, kind of informs our older story when we looked into werewolves and we found out that the natives would dress up with the. Cristina: Fur of the wolves and then turn into wolves. Jack: Not turn tools, but run 00:25:00 Jack: around the woods. Cristina: There was some stories of people wearing wolf fur and then turning into wolves. Jack: No, that's what they thought they saw. That's what the people. The. The white man. Cristina: Oh, he saw. Jack: Because they would see the. The problem is that they were with wolves. The natives in these areas would be wearing the fur of their family members who were wolves. They lived in nature with the wolves, naturally, and so they would be wearing the wolf fur and the wolf would be seen by the people who lived around there. And then they would see shortly thereafter, a native wearing wolf stuff, and they think it's the same thing. That's where the original myth of the werewolf came from. But the actual real world equivalent is a werewolf, a wolf drinking adrenochrome and then resulting. Cristina: The werewolf is a Wolf becoming a man and not a man becoming a wolf. Jack: Exactly. It's not becoming a man, but kind of getting a more bipedal look. It's very Pokemon. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You know, just transformed and now it's bipedal for whatever reason. So. Yeah. Cristina: I don't know. I feel like there are some men that claim to have turned into wolves, though. But are those just crazy people? Jack: No, because we also have people that were turning in the things. Not everybody has exactly the same reaction, but it's more or less the same reaction. We've had men turning into wolves. No, I don't think we've ever had people turning into the wolves. Cristina: There's a guy, I think for the church, he was confessing that the devil made him dress up as a wolf, turn into a wolf to fight the. No, the church forced him to turn into a werewolf so he can fight the demons or something. There's some wild story like that. Jack: We talked about it on the show. Cristina: Yeah, it was before all of this. It's way in the past of just talking about creatures not connecting to anything. Jack: That was when we were doing werewolves one and two, right? Yeah, man, I don't even remember that. Cristina: Yeah. I think he was claiming that the church would turn him and like a bunch of other homeless people into werewolves to fight demons. Jack: What the. Well, I don't remember all that. Cristina: I don't know what that is. But I know that they do have weird stuff happening. Jack: We know because the Church does weird s*** all the time. Cristina: Yes. They have portals and they also have items. Sacred items. Jack: Yes, they do, actually. Cristina: Body parts. Magical body parts of saints. Jack: Yeah. They hoard all the things with power they could find. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: But later we found out that was entirely because they were trying to erase the existence of magic and. Which is really just really complicated science. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And the body parts and things are saving are. Because think about it. They're saving a cloth that was protecting Jesus and he came back to life in or something. And it's like. Well, that was some technology that was reviving him or whatever. Or that had like proof of some residue of some kind of compound that they don't need anybody to know exists, you know? Cristina: Okay. Jack: Of the fruit or something. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: So they. They keep all of these things. They either have some kind of ability attached to some complicated technology or whatever the case might be, and they confiscate it all and hide it. Cristina: That's crazy. Still. That's pretty crazy. Jack: And still they couldn't compete with actual Jesus. Cristina: Well, they're. They're either Helping him or hiding him? Jack: Why would they need to hide him? Cristina: Because they're working with the. The. I'm thinking fairies, but that's not the word. I'm thinking. Who, Who. What is he? Jack: What is who? Cristina: Jesus. Jack: He is an Elysian Alicia. Cristina: And they're either working with Jesus or the Elysians. Jack: The church. Yeah. I think. I think we have three parties. Cristina: You think they're separate? Jack: I think they're separate. I think there's more than three parties. I think party we actually. I think. I don't think we've ever broken this down. I think party number one is the Elysians and their homies, like the Mayans and the Egyptians. Group two is Jesus and whoever's backing him, which is unclear. Cristina: Shadow people. Question mark. Jack: Question mark. Because we don't know. Because group three is a shadow people with Lucifer and all those individuals. Because even the shadow people who've joined our Earth Realm teams, we're calling those as part of Jehovah's team. Okay, so those are the Elysians. We have the Elysians there with all those people, including the shadow realm people that are there. Then we have the shadow room people who are a separate entity entity 00:30:00 Jack: made up of many Elysians and humans who've been outcasted one to the shadow realm. We got Jesus. That's three main group tied up there. Then we have Mab and her group of people somewhere doing something that's hyper unclear to us. See, we all never know. Exactly. Then we have the Greek that randomly pop up and are like always keeping up. They're like Piccolo. They're always keeping up with Goku and like how. Okay, but they're always there. And we don't know if any of this or even if the Elysians themselves are in any way connected to the original top of that, which is Jehovah's father Yahweh and his father Eloi. And how. That we still don't understand the giant leap from all of that all the way back to Yaldabao and how any of them might connect to what's happening now. Cristina: Yes. And we have no idea anything about Hermes either. Jack: Hermes, he's like neutral party. It looks like he helped everybody do whatever. Yeah, he's such a central figure. Cristina: But he might have even helped Jesus Satan with the line. Jack: He might have. But we know many instances suggest he might have helped Lucifer. Cristina: Yeah. So that's interesting. Jack: It looks like he might have helped Lucifer. It looks like he might directly be the teacher of Jesus. Yeah, it looks like he gave a johor who Worked or was friends or something with Jehovah. Cristina: And he has some connection with the Greece. Jack: And he has some connection with Greece. And he might have existed back with Eloi and Lilith, which suggests that he would have also been around at the time of Jesus, Jehovah's father, Yahweh. He would have been in contact with every single everything straight through. Cristina: Yes. Jack: I don't understand how. Because he is a God, he might actually be. Everybody else is some being that got there. He might actually. Dude, based on how we're describing him, right? Cristina: Yes. Jack: He goes everywhere, lives immortally, contacts everybody. Now, here's an interesting part about Hermes, which, based on his talks, might make sense. Let's say Hermes does come around in the year 12,000 BC, right? That's when he's born, not before then. But what do his lessons teach us? He says the fabric of reality itself is up to you to move around and control as you please. If you understand my teachings, you can just casually move in and out. Nothing matters. Nothing is of consequence. Everything is readjustable. Could it be that although he began there, he easily just shows up in the past? Is that a capability of his? Yes, because we know many necromancers can just f*** with time. Cristina: He can too. Yeah, I guess. Jack: Just poof. So he was born recently, but he could just be back there? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And that explains him showing up everywhere. He became he again. He was just a creature that became a God beyond anything all these other people could even fathom. Cristina: Mm. Except for Jesus, maybe. Jack: Well, he taught Jesus. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: It to this moment, it kind of does almost look like Hermes over Jesus. So if we were to just calculate their abilities and what they've done. Cristina: Yeah, but if Jesus gets to actually ex. Goes follows those principles that he has to teach, like what makes the difference, what makes him under. Jack: It looks like Hermes can cross into the fairy realm. It does not seem like Jesus can. As far as we know. Cristina: As far as we know. Jack: As far as we know. Cristina: Exactly. I don't know. That doesn't really. Jack: Only based on what we've found, he. He hasn't. Maybe we'll find something different to the contrary. But as of now, it looks like Hermes is the only one who's figured out how to enter this other space. With all of the efforts that everybody else has. I haven't seen a mention of Jesus doing that. Cristina: Well, maybe that story of him going into heaven. What does that mean. Jack: Going into heaven? Cristina: Yeah. And the end of his story before he comes back to Earth, like, what is that? I don't Know exactly. Jack: He dips out. Cristina: Could that be him exiting? Jack: But then that means he's always behind. He didn't just inherently have the ability like these other 00:35:00 Jack: things. He discovered that like a science. Which means that Hermes mastered it. He's a beginner at it. Hermes is still above. Cristina: Yeah, but that doesn't mean he can't get to that point. Like once you got it, you got it. Jack: He has a head start. Is he gonna. Is Hermes gonna continue getting better or is there a top? Which means if there's a top, they can catch up and land there. If not, then. Because again, if it's science, you can keep pushing it. Oh yeah, you can continue to push it. Cristina: But I think Jesus is still up there. Jack: He would be number two. I'm thinking he's number two. Cristina: Yeah. Because he did escape. I think he might have gone there. I think that was the story. Jack: And that's simply because we cannot rank things from Elfame. We have no idea. Yeah, it's possible. Those things are way more complicated in ways we couldn't comprehend. Cristina: But he might have gone into alpha and then came back. Jack: Yes. Cristina: I think that's. That's the story to say that. Yes. Jack: Right. But yeah, no, 100%. But that doesn't make him. I still think we've discovered that there is less appearance of Hermes. He's more rare to come across. So he's better at being invisible. He's been around longer, so there should be more of him. But he is good at being invisible. Cristina: But also he's using much of different names. I don't know. Jack: He always goes by Hermes. Cristina: He does. Oh yes, he does. It's Jesus that goes by different names. Jack: Jesus goes by different names and is still nowhere as elusive. Cristina: Okay. Jack: We don't know necessarily anything about what Hermes looks like. We just know he was robed. He was nice and discreet. Okay, he was robed. We have no descriptors for his face. We. We know just the things surrounding his robe. His face is usually in shadow and the robe itself was very dark. Gave look to that traditional necromancer thing, secrecy and privacy. So they adopted the look. Cristina: The necromancers. Jack: The necromancers adopt the look. That's also why we always see Jesus robed up. Everybody else might have layers to the robes, tuck ins on their ways. But Jesus wore like gown style things. It was very necromancer. And he's known for having the scarf with the hood. Cristina: That's not Mary. Are you sure? Jack: Jesus had the same thing. I guess Mary was also trying to be private. Oh, but that's logical. And the most important facet here is. I mean, Jesus would have to become a more more complicated threat eventually because he's still half Elysian. Cristina: Yeah. What is a Hermes? Jack: Human. Cristina: How do we know he's not half. How do. Jack: We don't know. We just know that you have to be human to be an echromancer. Cristina: Yes, but Jesus proves you could just be half human. Like you don't have to be full human. Jack: Jesus proves you could be half human. This brings up an interesting problem and it totally explains the Elysians not wanting Elysian men or women to breed with humans. Because nephilim that become necromancers may be problematic. Cristina: Yes. Yeah. Jack: Is the fear the necromancers, the few necromancers we know about are problematic. And then there's Hermes, who seems undefeatable by any standard we could imagine. Cristina: But then you think they'd be an enemy with him, but there don't seem to be. Even though they fear everything he is, they don't want another version of him. Jack: I mean, everybody's trying. Think about what the requirements were for the Golem. Think about what the requirements were for Jesus. You have to be able to cross all three thresholds seamlessly. What? Who's the only other individual we know who could do that? It's Hermes they're trying to imitate Hermes. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Right. And he ain't a fairy. They just know a human learned how to do the thing and that for whatever reason, Elysians can't be necromancers. Cristina: Yes, but they don't want to make more. They do and they don't. They don't want it. Jack: You want to control them. They want to be able to make a necromancer and control it. Cristina: Hence the creation of like things like Jesus. No more. Jack: Jesus was a problem. Yeah. Think of not Alexander. Was it Alexander? No, the. The sword guy. 00:40:00 Cristina: The sword guy. Jack: Who was being tricked? Arthur. King Arthur. Who was being tricked by Merlin. By Merlin. But the whole goal of that instance was a necromancer or not a necromancer. A person with the ability to cross between thresholds who could be controlled. Cristina: But he was all human. As far as I know. Jack: He was all human. Yes. And he was too easy to control. It became problematic. And we know that Merlin was an elation. Or is an elation. I don't know if that guy still around. But Hermes equals. I mean, not Hermes, Merlin. Equal elation. Cristina: He has to be half. Jack: He has to be half. Yes. You're Right, because how is he? And that's why he's whack. Cristina: Why is he whack? Jack: Because the more human you are. Cristina: So you think he's more than half human? Jack: No, he's the whack necromancer. Merlin is whack because. Because he is half and half. Cristina: But you have to be half and half. Jack: No, you have to be human. Cristina: Oh, but Jesus is half and half. And that he's not. Jack: Isn't half and half. Cristina: You think he's human. Okay, psychic abilities. Jack: Stories give us some details here to fill in for this thought, but I have some filler ideas. Right. For some blank areas. The stories emphasize how important Mary is, not just to the cause, but to Joseph. Joseph is a magi. A magi. And he is one of the other three who will later show up. He was her personal escort. They are Alician soldiers of some sort. Cristina: Okay, right. That's her man, though. Jack: No, that's the lie they're telling. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: But where you're getting at is where I think was maybe intentionally left out. The Bible tells us he's her man. Of course, the Bible is foolish and made up in order to suppress the truth. But the Bible tells us. So what motivation did the Bible have to tell us he was her man? Why wasn't he just her brother? She was gonna be a virgin and have a husband. Cristina: Yeah, that's weird. But weird. Jack: Could have. Any other narrative could have been spun there. Yeah, maybe. Maybe he was human and that's why he was different from the other Magi. Just like Mary was human. Because we know that child is part of Jehovah's DNA. But maybe the intention was to water it down and so it's not just Jehovah. What part of this do you need science for? Where was the experiment taking place in? Well, maybe both of them are the bad. Thus he's only one third Elysian. Cristina: Oh, crap. Okay, those make it more interesting. Jack: Interesting. So he has as much stake in this as the Elysians, but, you know, you're also just a human bro. We can get rid of you quite easily. So you're just gonna escort her? Well, you got bodyguards are gonna be watching, and they're gonna show up when it matters. You're gonna see them, and you just gotta take her over there. Where does he go when he gets. He just vanishes. The story just cuts off. We assume he left with the other Maggie, but he just. His story just ends. So what is that about? Well, his purpose was complete. He probably died off. Cristina: He died off. No, he died off. Jack: They get. They get to older age. Oh, but like, what's his. Why do we stop talking about him so heftily? It's because of this reason. He is really inconsequential, but is part of the equation, which is why he was actually present there the whole time. He's like, no, it's my Katu and I'm gonna follow this lady. Cristina: Okay. We just couldn't say, yeah, they were. Jack: The chosen ones to some degree, but it was just human. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You know, And I think that was a way of diluting some science was used in order to dilute elation DNA. Even if elation DNA is better for stones, they're not going to get rid of themselves. So they could easily run this tech, but no humans. But in order to make a necromancer, you need human. And they want one that they can control. But I don't know if they have Hermes, why they would need to. I don't get that part. But Hermes himself then trained Jesus. He's so neutral. 00:45:00 Cristina: He doesn't. He seems like part of the group, but he doesn't seem like part of their group. Jack: I think he literally isn't part of their group. I think he's just friends with Jehovah. And everybody must respect his neutrality because what are you gonna do about it? The fact that he's blessing you with his time is good enough. Cristina: But then he gets to train the guy that they offer, cuz that guy went to him. Jack: Again, neutrality doesn't matter who comes or what you want. I can do whatever. Cristina: Mm. Jack: I'll help you with limits. I don't hurt others or whatever. But what you do, but what I gave you is up to you. Cristina: Crazy. Jack: So everybody comes for something different. It's like, yes, he's really God about it, to the point that even Jesus goes to him on record. Yeah, well, Emmanuel. Emmanuel goes to him and it's like, bro, this dude moves like real omniscience. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Move through time, influence, whatever. Yeah. Oh, you said your grandfather needed what? Okay, I'll go back and I'll. Cristina: That's weird. Jack: Yeah, whatever, dude. Oh, no, I can't do that. I'm not gonna go get rid of the people. No, I can't do that. You need the. Oh, yeah, yeah, I can make the thing. Whatever you do with it, that's up to you. I don't give a crap. It's your choice. If it affects me, I'll bring him back. I don't care. Cristina: Real omniscience, okay. Jack: He moves like that, right? He has that feel if I don't care what happens, I don't care. I don't care what. I'm not doing it, but I don't care what happens. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And then he can adjust whatever in his favor. That's so impressive and everything. Again, if we look at the whack, watered down, non knowing necromancers, it's still like, d***, son. All of them except St. Patrick seem capable of controlling time. They're watered down. All of them. They're. They're whacker than Jesus. And Jesus can't mess with Hermes. That's where we are. They can control f****** time. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: It looks like maybe Santa, St. Nicholas is like real top tier op. Maybe third in line here because of how exaggerated he is. But it could just be time control that he looks like he's everywhere freezes, everything goes everywhere, takes him a long time. Then time moves forward again. Cristina: It's still really exaggerating. I don't know. It's pretty powerful stuff. Jack: Pretty powerful stuff. He also has deals with what seem to be actual fairies. Actual fairies? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Which is like, d***, how do you do that? Yeah. Cristina: Yeah. Maybe they're not fairies. Maybe they're shadow worm creatures. Jack: They could be shadow worm creatures, but they can. We don't know shadow creatures that fit those suits. But we know fairies that do. Cristina: It's just too weird. Jack: It's weird. Cristina: It doesn't make sense to anything. Jack: But again, maybe he's. He does appear to stay neutral as well. So maybe the fairies aren't siding with him. And maybe the fairies aren't trying to stop Hermes. Who are the fairies trying to stop? All the people trying to imitate Hermes. Fair people don't care about Hermes. Why? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: Doesn't seem to be f****** with them. Neutral. The people who are like, we want infinite power. They get elf slapped on top. Stop their progress, please. Cristina: Okay. Jack: But Hermes clearly already capable. They're like, whatever. Interesting. They're scared of power hungry people because if they cross out, they're coming for us. Cristina: Okay, Jesus, kill off Marilyn and Jesus. Jack: Jesus is a problem because Jesus is the one that slipped through. And although Jesus isn't aiming to hurt them, Jesus seems to be on a revenge path. Right. Is his goal the Elysians or could he easily deal with the Elysians? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: Because if they are is infinitely trying to get stronger. And they're infinitely trying to get stronger. So he must again try to get stronger. So they must again try to get stronger. And now it's gotten to the point that they reach the Elfame just trying to get stronger than each other. And then they're just consuming everything around them in a war between each other. And that's the fear. That's why it didn't look like anybody was after anybody specific and that the Elfame was just fight. Who are we scared of? And it's like this guy or that guy or what? No, both. Cristina: Both. Jack: But it's not about them going after you. They don't care about you. They're. They're Borg. They're infinitely power hungry the way humans are. Okay, we want more. But it's about getting rid of each other. Cristina: It could be that very. It feels very Dragon Ball Z. Jack: Like just like always. Upscale. Cristina: Stronger. Yeah. Jack: And it doesn't stop. We've gone out of the realm. Man. I remember the ah, memories. What the good old days when we just thought creatures here, creatures there. Maybe some aliens, maybe an alien or two local 00:50:00 Jack: that can't, you know, lives in space between planets. Because why would it try? How would it travel from super far? They couldn't. It's just a biological something living in space to finding out no crap could travel. And here's the science behind it. Stars away, stars across, galaxies across. Until getting to the point of like nah. There's entire clusters of stars completely captured. Because escaping the entire universe is totally possible. And there's multiple of these things. And here's some science behind it to dimensions and realms. It's like I remember the good old days back then when it was so simple. Now. Now we have interdimensional multi realm existing different creatures of different magnitudes of development tied in infinite ways with each other and in different ways. All scientific. Cristina: They're trying to get up there, up somewhere there. Jack: So complicated. So, so complicated. It's ridiculous. It is good old days of just hey, vampires and zombies. You remember comparing vampires and zombies and they both need blood. Which it totally should have filled us in on so much. Totally should have. Because we erased it slowly from zombies to say that they were after blood. But zombies were after blood at the beginning of the invention of talking about zombies. But maybe the creators of zombies thought oh this too on the nose. It's too close. So I'm just gonna connect the dots. And so we slowly phased out zombies going for blood. And then they just became science zombies. The way like oh, vile. We're trying to cure cancer. But. But it was always science. Cristina: It was always science. Jack: Adrenochrome. Oh the science in a different way. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: We they try to block us off of certain paths of science so that we don't get informed on those things like realms and crap like that. That must use biological and physically tangible science applications in order to to interact with. But the laws were taught to build upon exclude the factors that would lead us in those directions so that only those who know about them can know about them. Esoteric knowledge everywhere. You know, it's funny, that reminds me that Wet Judges was the same story as zombies. We had. We were just going through different creatures and we found out that this creature existed and that it was the. The result of something unknown. But this is what the creature behaves like. And it's not a shadow Realm. Creatures opposite to a win dingo. But they both turned out shadow room creatures. But there was some difference between them that we were like one comes from this and the other one kind of sorta. Eventually we discovered wolves. And both of these things shared a lot of characteristics. And that episode involved the connection of well, this is how a wolf biologically becomes. And this is how wolf biologically becomes that one. I believe the Wet Judge is the feral shadow realm version of a wolf. And the Windingo is the in control shadow realm version of a wolf. And both of those we found in isolation separate because we were just doing episodes about creatures. Cristina: But what do they have to do with the Shadow Realm? Jack: Adrenochrome. And they're both shadow realm creatures. Cristina: Okay. But they're based off of wolves and the wolves are from here, not from the shadow Realm. Jack: Exactly. Were wolf. Well, wolf can wolf takes adrenochrome the stages of a wolf as they would break apart. A wolf can sue. Let's take one of these 1950, 1940. Like six werewolves from the battlefield. Battlefield night people hiding. It sneaks up in the shadows and starts eating and drinking some of the blood. Because it's dies or. No, no, let me get there. It's gonna turn into. In consuming so much of it. A werewolf. Cristina: Mm. Jack: The werewolf is just the in control version of the wolf. Now two wolves came. They were talking about two separate wolves from the same pack. They came. They ate the same body. During the werewolves, both of them became werewolves. One of them was smart enough to consider coming back and the other one was a little cower. And as soon as it heard people ran away so they didn't consume the next day. This happens repeatedly. And the second wolf doesn't come back. The first werewolf stays a werewolf. The second werewolf now becomes a lichen. 00:55:00 Jack: It goes feral. It's just a Savage now. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It even forgets how to get back to it. It's just now a monster. Cristina: Okay. Jack: But they're more or less fizzled off Earth Realm. Cristina: Yes. Okay. Jack: Yes. And they all fizz. They physically look very similar, except a werewolf looks like a humanoid. It looks very similar than the werewolf is very gray, furred, wise and less crazy, I guess. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And the lichen is black fur and slimmer, while the werewolf looks bulkier. The lichen is thinned out and like up looking. It's like a really thinned out werewolf that's all black. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Now if the werewolf dies a werewolf, it becomes a wet judge. Cristina: Okay. And if the lichen dies, it becomes the other thing. Jack: And if lichen dies, it becomes a wendingo. Cristina: And those creatures are Shadow Realm creatures. Jack: And those creatures are Shadow Realm creatures. Cristina: Or they're ghost versions. Jack: Yeah, yeah. A lot of Shadow Realm creatures are ghost versions of earthrealm creatures because there's an inherent tie between them. Cristina: A little weird, because the Shadow realm is the original realm and we are. Jack: A pocket realm within it. Cristina: Yeah. But when we die, we go back to the original realm. Jack: Well, this is supported by all sciences, all religions and all philosophies that the. This association from the self unites us to the all. Another way of thinking about it is the texts that make it sound like it's a simulation. If the barriers are built around a certain type of code and you extract that code, then whatever code is left could exit the equation. Cristina: Okay, and then we just go back to the shadow realm. Jack: We can just be part of the shadow realm. So it's possible. Weird thought that everything within earthrealm is already a creature that might exist within the shadow realm, and we are just programmed with the external shell that we then think is ourselves. Cristina: What do you mean? Jack: Like my body isn't my body? Maybe I was always a gin, but because I'm born over here, the body feels like a body. But then it's weird beating our campy because creatures from the shadow realm coming over here to kidnap children and stuff, but to live. But they don't. They don't become suddenly physical unless they go through a procedure. Yes, and I don't understand what the procedure necessarily is because there's no specifics on it. Yeah, we know that they need a model, which is why they kidnap kids. They need an example of who they're going to become and that person is going to stay alive. They don't kill that person. Cristina: They don't. Jack: Well, somehow still existed when Lucifer became physical. Cristina: Yes, but did he transform also? Jack: Then Samuel got turned into Alfamer. Cristina: Is that what happened? Jack: No, he got turned to a Naga, I think, right? Cristina: Yeah, I think so. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: This story is twisted and weird. Jack: Yeah, that's a weird. Someone else been through the ringer. It's a weirdo. But this isn't a couple of places. Because if you think of Glycon from the Greek, he also was just a Greek dude who became a Naga. Cristina: That doesn't make sense. With the help of Keto. Because Nagas are fairies. So these are people becoming fairies. Jack: These are people. Well, people becoming Shadow worm creatures and Shadow Realm creatures becoming Earth Realmers are still weird. Cristina: That's weird. But it's less weird. They're becoming fairies. Jack: Well, presumably the Shadow Realm is a pocket within Alfame. The best way to think about it is if Elfame is Earth Realm, then the Shadow Realm is the Internet. And EarthRealm is like Facebook. Each one is inside the other in a smaller, more constricted way. But it's still the one thing. Like it's still Facebook exists within Earth. Cristina: A video character becoming human. Jack: Yes. So, okay, I guess the. The most logical way to make the next step remove would be to say we have humanoid robots that don't have any AI. They exist everywhere. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And the Facebook AI decides it's going to figure out how to enter one of our robots and navigate earthrealm. That would be the leap that Jesus born in earthrealm does 01:00:00 Jack: to get to Alfame. He is the Facebook AI. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Getting into one of our robots and now existing as a Earth Realm being. Cristina: What does it mean when one of us becomes a Naga? Jack: That would be the equivalent. Cristina: It's still in there. Jack: Yes. So there must be some form of code that creatures from the top have. Like MAB logging in. Cristina: Oh, NPCs. No, not NPCs. Main characters. Jack: Main characters. Yes. They acquire main character abilities. Yes, that's what it really means. Which is a good example in being Hermes. Main character abilities. Cristina: Okay, so if you can do become a Necromancer or become a Naga, you're doing the same thing. Yes, sort of. Jack: The difference is they're trying to make Nagas of existing individuals that they know are already loyal. They don't want one born. They're trying to make one out of people they know are already loyal to them. So there's some half baked kind of approach there. Cristina: And they. I don't think they have the same abilities as Nagas. Jack: No. It doesn't seem like they have the tip top. The closest person who got To. That was the first one we know about, which is the oldest, which is Yaldabaoth and his. Not his artificial Naga, which I guess everybody else is. An artificial Naga that we're talking about. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: But it looks like his was literally created from nothing. It wasn't based on anybody. Which is also why that one's overpowered. Cristina: That doesn't make sense. That does it. I don't know. Jack: Osteomorphus. That was the name of that serpent. Osteomorphous. Cristina: Came from nothing. Jack: He came from nothing. He was raw, created. So he must be more pure than doing it on a creature that was already a different creature. But they'll be loyal because they're part. They're in on it. It's their hard work, too, versus this. No, you were made exclusively for this purpose. You could turn on me and it might have. We know it had its own intentions. It might have done whatever, but that's the risk. A different variation on that is Jesus. It might go rogue. Except it went rogue and they did. Where they. How do they control it? Cristina: I don't know. But how do you do that? What? You said he just made one. Jack: Made one? What? Cristina: Made a Naga? Jack: Oh, I don't know, but it would be like, how did we invent a robot from nothing? Like, it's just. It's that he just made science. Figure it out. Cristina: Okay. I don't know. Jack: But the leap Jesus made is pretty impressive, especially if we. If we listen. If we listen, Deacon, listen. If we take the texts that make it sound like a simulation at face value and say, oh, yeah, that's definitely the true one. Jesus made it out of the simulation and into an Alfame robot. That's basically what we'd be saying. Yeah, he jumped to the middle stage. Or went through it. We know he went through it. Literally. He could enter the wider Internet. Cristina: But he's not the only one. Jack: No, he's not the only one. Because whatever quote AI unquote Hermes is can easily just walk out. And he was just Earthreal. So he is another Facebook AI. He's the original Facebook AI that managed to just get into a robot in her throne. Cristina: That's weird, but yes. But then I still don't understand, because Nagas are. Jack: I think Nagas are an attempt to do a biological cheat sheet for Hermes, because you can either study and get it. That's a. The filter is crazy. Phew. It's so hard. So few people have figured it out. Immense power. Even people who didn't figure it out. Alexander the Great There you go. Even people who didn't get it, what they did get, made them monstrously overpowered, but with limitations. The idea of a Naga bypass the limitations instantaneously. Shortcuts. It's all shortcuts. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Because the right way to do it would be learned hermetic principles. Follow the laws that Hermes lays out. Understand his lessons. He says it, it's the only way. And the proof kind of stands on it. The fact that nobody else figures it out. Cristina: Yeah, he figured it out. Jack: He did. Cristina: And nothing is like gonna figure it out after him though. Is Jesus really it? Jack: Well, we don't know. Merlin came after Jesus. Cristina: That's true. Just forget he's the most recent. Jack: Yeah, he's the most recent. He was whack, but he was the most recent. Then again he was way overpowered. Still time bending. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Even if he was defeated, it's still pretty crazy. Jack: I guess so. Well, yeah, he was tricked, but he was tricked by a fairy. He was killed off by a fairy. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Like you know. The question is, could Hermes know her? Is the problem is also Hermes has no goal. Think about how interesting this is. It doesn't look like. No, but St. Patrick's was associated. Even if he was human. Cristina: What do they mean? Jack: He was still associated with the Elysians. They called on him for help. Cristina: I don't know. Because of him and Santa makes it seem like the religion is behind is part of them or they made the Catholic Church. Right. Jack: The Catholic Church was made by the Elysians, but the Catholic Church employs humans. Cristina: Yeah, but to keep the Elysians secret. Jack: Yeah. The whole point is to keep the Elysian secret and to make Jesus just seem like he's unrelated to the Elysians. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Yeah. And it looks like, you know, they're neutral. And maybe they were priests who were like, we're gonna put. We're gonna send you on a quest. We're gonna send priests. Maybe that's the point of priests. Raising some priests regularly to a school out in Greece where they're gonna come across a series of tests and tasks at the School of L. If they pass enough of them, you're going to get into a special class and you're going to take it and you're hopefully going to pass that class. That class is all that matters. Everything you're going to do for the next 20 years of your life is pure training to try to pass one class. That's it. Good luck. And then, you know, just kept sending people, kept sending people, kept sending people and one guy, St. Patrick, makes it through and meets Hermes and takes classes with him and, and St. Nicholas makes it through and gets there. But how many hundreds of other priests went there and like tried and they could, didn't even know what they were there for other than I told I was going to do this my whole life. And I'm not going to get married, I'm not going to have children, and I'm going to go back and go, you know, I dedicated my life to them. I'm gonna go lead a church and I'm gonna be great. I'm gonna have it said and made. But I don't know what the beginning of that path was. And only few of them, and they disappear forever. Now it's the, the St. Patrick's of the world. It was like, no, I'm an OG. I got the abilities that they want. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And so those are in house necromancers. Hermes is neutral party if they can, if they. Anybody who can get my teachings can get my teachings. Cristina: So you think he was training? Jack: He was at Lesium as written by Aristotle. Cristina: In his notes, they say for how long? Jack: Unclear, but he was at Lesium, so that's fact number one. The specific lines were that he was waiting for the special students. And Aristotle's take on that is that his students were the elite students, the students that had taken all their other classes, the students that have aced everything else. And it's a school of philosophy. What the f*** does it mean to ace that? It means to understand everything there. Cristina: Which makes sense for what you need for Hermes. Jack: You got to enter equipped in every aspect of everything. And so you get to his class. Most people didn't make it. And I don't know how he would evaluate them, but he must have been looking at the notes of the other teachers there and been like, I want that student on that guy. He seems to be doing good every class specifically in these topics, which means he understands the nuance I'm looking for. Maybe all the other teachers were just cover. Cristina: For the real goal. Jack: For the real goal. Everything is designed as an intricate filter. And it's, it's a tournament. There's one winner. Of course, there's more multiple winners. But in this case, you know, to picture it better, it's tournament style. The guy who makes it to the championship past all the tests, but you still got to eliminate, eliminate, eliminate. And so you can't have a huge class of thousands of people. You got to be very restrictive. And maybe not. Maybe anybody who can make it can make it. Except people don't make it because it's really hard to get. Cristina: Mm. That's really hard. Jack: It's really abstract. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Really abstract. But it all makes perfect sense is the problem. So you gotta be able to understand really abstract thoughts in order to then bend reality with your mind the way that Hermes suggest can happen. And that we've found this proof through Naga and other necromancers and the people who cheat and manage to get a stone and aren't necromancers because that's so op. Cristina: Yeah. But he's the reason that there are stones. Jack: Yes. He invented them. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Yep. He is so good at being secretive. Hermes. He's so good at being secretive and so good at making things that we didn't know that both parts of the craft 01:10:00 Jack: were literally him. We found the first part and we're like, he made the thing like somebody else made the other part and improved on it. No, it was also him. It's just. It's hard to connect any part of things that have to do with him because everything exists in isolation. Because he's so good at just disappearing off of that side of the planet and popping up over here and doing a bunch of crap over here and stays over here for a thousand years and disappears over here. And he's over there now. No given. Doesn't seem to care about the passage of time. Doesn't seem to care about what side anybody's on. Does no barriers exist. I'm in this room. I'm in that room. Whatever. Cristina: That's what he does. Jack: Very godlike. He reminds me a Q from Star Trek. Cristina: Probably less of a troll than him, though. Jack: We have no idea. We have no, no idea. Not a clue what his personality is like. Not a clue. We know some people had character to them. Some of the Elysians were like, you know, you can imagine them. The guy who's just whoring around banging humans. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You're probably a chill dude. Bro. Cristina: Know. Jack: You know, he's just a dude. He's out there just linging, slinging his come everywhere he goes. Cristina: We don't know anything about Hermes. Jack: Who the h*** does? Cristina: I thought he's a weirdo or not weirdo. He's just secretive. Jack: He's private. Cristina: Private. Jack: We got stories from Santa. We got stories from Patrick. We got Jehovah stories. He seemed to be pretty chill, but kind of stern dude. Lucifer seems kind of more worrisome. He's these would, you know, panicky Lilith has a bit of attitude to what she does. Everybody has characteristics based on everything we found. And then Hermes is like, I don't know about you, dude. I don't know if you're, like, serious jokey. If you're like, you know, expressions. He's robed. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Every description of him, robes. Nobody sees this face. Even his homies have no idea if he's smiling or not. He's talking to a robe all the time. Cristina: That's kind of crazy. It's pretty crazy. We don't know anything weird. There could be more than one. Jack: There could totally be more than one. But also, he can bend time. What the. Cristina: Like, why do you need more than one? Jack: Why do you need more? He's everywhere. He's everywhere. He's all over the place. Everybody's Hermes at one point. It's like, no, it's the same dude. We thought it was multiple people. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And then it's like, no, it's the same guy. What? How? How, How, How? In fact, we thought it was so multiple people because Loi is the title and Hermes exists. And we're like, that's probably the title, too. And he existed back then, and they knew each other. Weird. So different people. And then we're like, nope, it turns out same guy. It's like, how the f*** does this work out? We still haven't even proven that about Loi. Cristina: I don't think he's. I mean, I think he is more than one guy. Jack: Loi feels like a title. And the way they describe the giant ship shifts in behavior. Feels like different people. Feels like a title within the family or a job position or political role or something. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Hermes is literally the guy's name. He'll go by a different name. And then tell them, I'm Hermes. They gave me this name over here. But Hermes is from actual name. Cristina: Weird. Yeah. Jack: And he'll write it. He'll be like, I'm Hermes. Cristina: He writes it, I'm Hermes. Jack: I'm Hermes. And then he made the emerald. He made this, everybody. No, Hermes. Geras Magista's made this. Don't happen. How? How do you do this in Europe? And then at the same time, he made that in Afghanistan, bro. Let's have a real conversation. Cristina: Because time travel. Jack: Because time travel. Cristina: And because there's nothing really. Jack: Instantaneous teleportation. Cristina: Exactly. Jack: And, like, it doesn't matter. Cristina: Solution to any problem is time travel. For Hermes 100. Jack: That explains ever once that's. It's like, yeah, you could bend time. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: So you're just hanging out back there, like the day you chilled with that guy's grandson millions of years later. Cristina: Mm. Jack: To you it was minutes apart. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: You just skadoodled across and it's a. It's seamless. If we were watching you from a movies perspective, you're like, all right, Jehovah, I'll let him know. You take two steps, we zoom in on you. You take two steps, none of the scenery changes. And now you're standing in front of Loi. Hey. Your grandson said this. And when we zoom out, we see Eloi, but not Jehovah. That's how seamless it would be to him. Cristina: That's pretty crazy. Jack: He didn't think about it just there. Cristina: That's totally how it could work. I don't know. Jack: And from the point of view of both of these individuals, he never left. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Because he can pop into the same fraction of a second he left that with Jehovah and walk right into that same moment and be like, your grandfather said this. And from your point of view to my. I'm right now, I'm Hermes. And right now you're Jehovah. And you tell me you need to tell my grandfather to add this, this, and that to 01:15:00 Jack: the equation starting on this next sentence. I'm Hermes. Okay. All right, Jehovah, I'm gonna go tell your grandfather right now what to do. Listen, Loi, it's very important that you add these couple of parts. Now. Loi tells him whatever it's like. Okay. I'm gonna make sure your grandson knows this. Jehovah. Listen, he said that, that one sentence, he's gonna talk to two people across time. And to him it's gonna feel consistent and linear to them. Not a moment past the moment you said links. Cristina: And then he sees a different person. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And time has stopped over there. Cuz not really. He's just in the past and he's gonna go back to that same moment. Cristina: Okay. Okay. That's crazy. That's his ability though. Jack: Does his ability though super overpowered. And he can do that at any point in time, at any place in time? That's God. Cristina: That's ridiculous. Yes. That's good. I don't think there's anything above that. Jack: I don't think there's anything above that. Minus whatever exists in Alpha that we have no reference point for. Yes, but the realms we are aware of. Even elves don't touch this. Nagas don't touch this. Cristina: As far as we can tell. Jack: Yeah. It would have to be the theory of the simulation. And it would have to be that MAB is a programmer and only then, because then she'd have the ability to like deprogram the robot, shut off the Internet, whatever. Cristina: But she can't. So it's not that. Jack: Or she should. We don't know if she can. Maybe she is just one of the programmers at the big company. The company really owns the Internet. She just knows how to work. She's the best worker, knows how to do it. Okay, but she can shut it off and ruin the project and save the world if it got that bad. 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October 05, 2024

Rambling 292: The Lost City of Dwarka

October 05, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

What is the ancient city of Dwarka? What is known of it? What is it no longer around? The duo comb through what is known of a lost ancient city found beneath the ocean by researchers. From its structures to its technology and its ultimate downfall, no stone is left unturned. What is discovered adds a new layer to what we know about ancient civilizations.

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Ancient City
Advanced Technology
Sonar Scanning
Historical Records
Solar Energy
Flood Prevention
Mysterious War

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is a show where we ground humanity's most baffling and absurd ideas. Or is it absurd and baffling ideas? One of those two something there, right?

Cristina: Baffling, absurd ideas.

Jack: Like how world's most absurd and baffling ideas. No, it's actually that order. At least we usually do most absurd and baffling ideas, not baffling and absurd. Although it doesn't really matter. No, because they're both baffling. Like, wow, how jarring and absurd. Like, this is crazy.

Cristina: This is crazy.

Jack: Yeah, for the most part, it's very crazy. Anyways, we have, as of late, been kind of diving in and out, looking at random crap, and that has been connecting dots for us by looking in different directions and random crap associates back to all the previous crap. Because everything in the universe seems to be one giant megastructure. All lines connect.

Cristina: Yes. It's just hard connecting them. But like, with enough information.

Jack: Yeah, with enough information, all the dots eventually come together. But I've been looking around and I found something interesting that, weirdly enough, has not come up before, although could be very relevant, actually is really relevant. I made sure it was relevant.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So apparently there isn't just the Persian Gulf oasis that is underwater and abandoned, but rather other locations that similarly exist underwater abandoned. We've seen, you know, trails, but it's usually associated with the Elysians.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like if we look at the path in Bimini going straight down to the Atlantic Ocean in the direction of the suspected location of their current home, and the sculptures and statues and things in that direction, they kind of just line up with the Elysians.

Cristina: Yeah, like the lion statues and stuff.

Jack: Yes. And pyramids down there and all the usual kind of crap. Right. Now, interesting enough looking in other locations and kind of combing through random data, I've come across a couple of other places that fit these suits but aren't related to the Elysians. Not directly. Not that the Elysians built it. They related to the Elysians in a different kind of way. Which we'll get to.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so I did some deep dives, I read some books, I looked through some articles and some research papers, and I've put together some of the information on one of these locations. We're going to go through all of these locations eventually.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But one of these locations stuck out to me very, very specifically. And hopefully when we go to the other ones, this will enlighten them. The place we're going to be talking about is called Dwarka.

Cristina: Where's Dwarka?

Jack: Dwarka is a sunken city off the coast of India.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay, so there's a bunch of cities underwater. That's what you're saying?

Jack: There's a bunch of cities underwater. Wow. Now, Dwarka is first mentioned in some scripture related to some of those we know now are fairies. But yeah, related to scripture.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And the Indians have all the scriptures about these deities that turn out to just be part of the fairy cluster. But we do have some other mentions starting all the way in the year 300 BC. Now, I went through all of this, but there were a group of people who were already putting this information together. And so I went through their collective works that kind of unpacked all of these other works that exist throughout history and time. So we're going to be looking at some specific texts, some research papers and some collections.

Cristina: What's the name of the place?

Jack: Dwarka. Now, the things we'll be looking at are the Lost City of Dwarka by S.R. rowe. Marine archaeology of the Indian Ocean Countries, edited by S.R. rowe. Excavations of Dwarka by H.D. sankalia. The Archaeology of Bet Dwarka by A.S. ghaur and Sundarash. And Archaeological Survey of India Reports, which is a collection by various individuals and they all use research with sonar, deep dives, they have excavations happening down there. They have a bunch of random all. All the different crap you can imagine on top of all the different mentions of text that existed and both public records that existed in the past and of scripture that has been written relative to this place. So all of the above is in these. And so I went through their works and as I was going through their works, I was cross referencing by going and looking at the original thing that they're talking about to make sure they're not putting their own twist on things. But I use these as a guide ultimately.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now, there's a lot going on here. And I'll tell you what is included inside of these texts so you have some idea of how we know the things we know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Within all of the research, we have archaeological findings, we have marine exploration data, we have underwater scans, we have, which also includes like sub bottom profiling and scans of below water level. That's basically what that is. We're getting scans of what's directly over the and scan. Not over the water, over the ground, underneath the water. And then scans of what's beneath the ground.

Cristina: Beneath the ground?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There will be diving expedition reports, artifact documentations which include stone anchors, pottery and actual structures that have been seen, located and scanned. Carbon dating maps of the city and layout reconstructions.

Cristina: Cool.

Jack: Based on old texts, geological and environmental studies, comparative studies with other ancient cities, cultural and trade connections to the region, non religious historical records and interpretations of religious records, and scholarly analysis of the scripture and inscriptions for historical correlation.

Cristina: Deep dive crazy. That's mad info on this city.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. People have been trying to figure it out. If we use all of that data and what we personally know, that is not considered part of the canon narrative because you got to cross reference such a plethora of data, you're going to see how this starts to form into a very cohesive image. So let's begin. Now, basically, this was described as one of the most advanced cities to have ever existed. And we know like, that's a huge statement considering the Egyptians existed, the Greek existed, the Mayans existed.

Cristina: And how old is this supposed to be? As old as those or older.

Jack: So weirdly enough, we know that the Egyptian and the Mayan are no older than 6000 BCE. They were given things provided by the Elysians in order to catch up in the first place.

Cristina: Around the same time around.

Jack: Well, no, I believe it was first the Egyptians and then the Mayans much later. But this city is actually 9,000 BCE, which gets way close to the first mention of Jehovah ever. 12,000 BCE. Fascinating. Yeah. This is older than Maya and Egypt and actually even older than Greece.

Cristina: That's crazy. That is old.

Jack: And claiming to be one of the most advanced cities ever. Now this is obviously without the. The knowing of these other locations, how would they know? They could totally have just been. It's the most advanced at this point. And then later these mega cities arrive. So by reference point, they wouldn't have known. And it could have been without knowing about the Aletians, they could have definitely 100% been the most advanced. And then later more advanced civilizations came to be. This is located on the western coast of India, near modern day Gujarat. Gujarat. And this emerged in the Gulf of Combat, which is close to the present day city of Dwarka, which is a city of the same name. There's a currently Dwarka.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And there's this ancient Dwarka that's underwater. That's underwater. And again, constructed about 9,000 BCE older than that, roughly According to archaeological evidence.

Cristina: Was it always underwater though? Like does. Did something happen that put it underwater or something?

Jack: Put it underwater? Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It was not always underwater. Now we're just gonna break down how advanced the city was. For the most part, we're gonna talk about the details of the city and just kind of inform people on what the city kind of was like. Now keep in mind everything that's being cross referenced to prove this. So first of all, the city had a grid type of layout. So it has a grid layout and text described that this had wide roads, structured grid system, advanced urban planning, and was efficiently distributed to kind of look like a modern day city. Now this is proved by sonar scans that we can see collections of structures together with gaps in the middle that if you were to map it out, would essentially just be roads, streets, straight shot streets, because collections of structures would be to either side and then emptiness straight down the middle and Sounds pretty.

Cristina: Advanced for the past. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: And it would have, you know, would like create blocks. Basically it would just create city style blocks in a like literal grid. Squares. It's just squares. So in theory, you could just walk around a block and you moved a square and in the block itself, many different types of structures of different sizes, of different widths, of different heights. Interesting design. According to texts, there are zoned districts. So the city was divided into sections for residential, commercial, governmental use, suggesting highly organized zoning, which could be supported by the fact that we do see the city blocks. Additionally, in the scans, you also see collections of different sizes of buildings. So there'll be many small structures in this area all together, rather than one really small, one really big one. You know, it'll be a lot of really small ones and then over there a lot of really big ones. That's kind of showing that there was at least correlation between the structures. Maybe this was residential and houses, or maybe those buildings were where they lived and these were all government buildings that were the smaller ones.

Cristina: Okay, yeah.

Jack: So there was a distribution according to size and width, which could support the idea of zones, allowing for things to work. There was also in the very center of the town, what appears to be a sort of. How do I explain all the roads ultimately lead to a circular center, which could be the market, based on everything else leading in that direction, which happens to be next to one of the oddest shapes. Not oddest shapes, but oddest collection of buildings that don't kind of match anything on the outskirts, which would assume residents lived on the outskirts and towards the center was the market. And the government things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: As well as possible recreational areas, they had multiple gates and entrances to the city.

Cristina: There's a lot there, like, that's still there too. The gates, like, how much can they actually see from the scans? Or this is part of the.

Jack: All of the above. Okay.

Cristina: Just combining all the information.

Jack: This is combining all the information. I'm not going to break down what was what in crazy detail because we would never make it through this. But. And where it matters, I'm going to tell you. You don't have to ask about it. I will tell you specifically what we do see when it matters. But strategic gates at different points of entry provided access to the city while enhancing security and traffic flow. So there was ways in and out through different entrances and exits. A comprehensive large scale wall has been caught on sonar. On sonar. Surrounding the entire city. Well, so a quite large wall, the size undefined, but definitely could be easily over 30ft tall, surrounding the entire city. And then the gates are on this like giant wall, allowing for entrances, roads. The empty gaps that we would believe are roads kind of seem to go straight into where the gap in the wall would be, which would suggest that is the gate itself.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So they definitely had the city protected from the outside. Maybe you needed kind of passes to come in and out. Especially if this is such an advanced layout of a city. Everybody else who didn't have the technology was not gonna scale the wall. And these are poor people walking in. Not poor people, but unadvanced people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Coming to this mega, super futuristic, comparatively place. Now, in the text, it suggested that there were grand palaces, so palaces made of gold and precious metals, which would suggest a monumental architectural ability with reinforced designs in the buildings themselves. Now, sonar scans can't actually detect the specific materials the structures were constructed with, but marine archaeological dives near the site have located all the materials mentioned.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: They can't prove any structure was made.

Cristina: Of these materials, but those materials are there.

Jack: All the materials mentioned are there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So at least they had the ability to create the materials. That seems accurate. The idea of having an entire building made of these materials kind of immediately becomes questionable because how would you even source all of these materials in high quantities enough to make your city out of it?

Jack: That's where it kind of gets iffy. And it relies a lot on, well, the tech save. Like that's about as far as we can really honestly prove other than, well, they had the materials. We don't know if the buildings were made out of the materials.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Water management and engineering was fascinating. In this place, they had canals, waterways. And descriptions mentioned that the canals were running through the city potentially for transportation, irrigation and water supply. Fascinating that transportation is one of them, because it's not transportation of water. Water supply is part of it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But the canals were used to navigate through the city as well. A counter to roads.

Cristina: Oh, that's cool.

Jack: Venice, Italy, essentially.

Cristina: Yeah, but they had roads too.

Jack: Yes, they had both. Venice has both. It's not just water, but is it.

Cristina: Mostly water or is it equal parts water and road?

Jack: It's definitely way less water. Navigation, it was way more roads and, like, just a few canals here and there that you could use for navigation.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But it's. It was there, which was an interesting idea to just that they also included this. Now, sonar scans have confirmed this alongside, detecting numerous thinner structures deeper than the canals themselves, and the waterways that scatter in every direction beneath the city. So there's the canals on the surface of the city. And then scans into this through the surface get you to what seems to be smaller structures going in every possible direction, which would suggest localized distribution of water to all structures within the city.

Cristina: That is crazy. That's crazy. Advanced.

Jack: Crazy advanced. Way more advanced than we would think for something 9,000 BC, which is 11,000 years ago.

Cristina: Whoa. How.

Jack: Crazy. So those are likely thin pipes underneath the canals which are delivered in the water. Now, reservoirs are said to be in the city. They're mentioned in all the texts that the city had large reservoirs ensuring a stable water supply, which would indicate advanced hydraulic engineering as well, in order to distribute it. Now, sonar scans can't actually confirm this, although large anomalous shaped gaps within random parts of the city suggest these might have been reservoir. They're just weird gaps on the surface and structures are built around them, and they're not of any specific shape, but they're just holes.

Cristina: So the best guess.

Jack: The best guess would be that those would have been the reservoir. If so, the city might have been selected specifically because of the reservoirs. So they chose this location to build the city because they had had places where they could naturally collect clean water.

Cristina: Nice.

Jack: Now we get into something a little more interesting. The flood prevention systems. This is going to come in very handy later.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah. Now, flood prevention systems are described as protecting Dwarka from floods, suggesting an early form of flood defense, or levees. Right. Scans show some distance far from the city, like away from the city walls themselves. Deeper down, thicker than the city walls. A second set of shorter perimeter walls with connecting canals and unknown structures surrounding them likely Water pumps to drain the water out of the city.

Cristina: That's crazy. What happened.

Jack: This also suggests the possibility of flooding being a real issue they faced. So they built ways to counteract it.

Cristina: But it wasn't enough for whatever happened to them.

Jack: You think that a flood took them out?

Cristina: I don't know. It's hard to imagine what happened to them if they were already prepared based.

Jack: On all the technology we're talking about. Flooding is not what took them out. They have everything in measure. You know, the colossal size of the flood. That would have to catch them off guard with this level of technology.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And even then, they're ready to. If their structures are as strong and hard as they claim. The floods weren't gonna take them out. The floods weren't gonna remove them in any manner, shape, or form, so nothing was gonna happen. You know, go to the top of your buildings, and we'll drain the city.

Cristina: But something happened to them.

Jack: Yeah, I'm gonna get to that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, building materials. Here's where it gets kind of iffy and hard to believe. Golden towers is a claim. Within the texts. Oh, palaces with golden towers were mentioned, possibly indicating advanced metallurgy and material strengthening techniques, which we can find the materials again, but we can't prove what the structures are made out of. It simply can't be proven, and it kind of exists in the text almost exclusively. Acquired materials from archaeological dives does in fact suggest dense reinforced gold. But this is actually. When it comes to gold in particular, it's kind of easy to do this with a lot of primitive techniques. We don't need particularly advanced anything. If we can create heat enough to melt other metals and mix them with. With the gold, that would dodge the need for any kind of advance, anything. Enough heat. You could just throw iron into the gold. You'll dilute the gold a little, but it'll still be gold. Yeah, and it'll be stronger. So it's not the. You don't need rocket science. Now the question is, what kind of reinforcement? None of the ones we found are particularly astounding when it comes to gold. There are many other materials that are astounding that probably shouldn't have existed at that point, but the gold wasn't one of them. So assuming these towers were made of gold. Well, you didn't do anything too impressive. And also, what the h*** would even be the benefit?

Cristina: Yes, you know, this is pretty.

Jack: Yes, it's pretty. But on the flip side, if you're so advanced, then you leave the realm of danger, especially with your walls. Being so defensive. And you land that. Why not make things look beautiful?

Cristina: Put a tower.

Jack: Why not?

Cristina: I guess you're not afraid of your neighbors, but then you have a. I don't know. Well, you're the most advanced as far as you know. As far as you know? Yeah.

Jack: Like, what do you. A couple of people with some sticks and rocks are gonna come and take your metal golden building. How?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Additional materials include crystals and precious stones. Gemstones adorn buildings, which could indicate knowledge of decorative stone working. And again, more reinforced materials. Although can't be proven purely within the texts. No amount of sonar or archaeological dive.

Cristina: Has proven this, so they haven't found any of that.

Jack: Well, we can't prove that the buildings are made with gemstones. Yeah, we'd have to go to that level of depth underneath the ground and look at the building. We'd have to excavate the whole city out of under the water. Under the water's dirt. Oh, we'd have to pull the city out of under the water's dirt in order to look at the buildings. The problem is the city sank and crap fell over the city. The city is not just underwater. It's under dirt. We can't look at the city.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: That's why scams are so important. But because of this, we can't tell what the decorations look like, what metals are made out of. When we're doing dives, we're diving and reaching the bottom and touching dirt on top of the city, and that's where we're finding the materials we locate. We would have to drill into the dirt to reach the buildings underneath us. Now, again, no amount of archaeological diving or sonar scans could prove that the buildings are decorated with gemstones. We can find the gemstones.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We don't know what the buildings have on them, though, so only really excavating the city would prove this. Now, durable foundation. Coastal buildings suggest strong foundations, you know, to resist the sea's impact, in the case of storms, to resist flooding and all this kind of crap. So it would require innovative underwater construction techniques if you're on the coast. And the fact that they had walls for flooding proves that water was a problem. Sonar does confirm that below the city, there are additional structures almost always tied directly to buildings and canals.

Cristina: Okay, that's more water protection.

Jack: More water protection. This is assuring the buildings themselves aren't gonna have their foundation erode and fall. So they didn't just build up, they built down.

Cristina: That's pretty advanced. Oh, my God.

Jack: Pretty advanced and pretty deep down. If you're trying to stop a building from tilting or something, which would suggest, you know, additional reinforcement to withstand in a case of a flood overcoming the city walls. Impressive. Additionally, this. This leans into some really more advanced engineering. There are mentions within the text of earthquake resistant structures.

Cristina: Earthquake as well.

Jack: Yeah. So Texan implies that structures could survive natural disasters of all sorts, including seismic resistant architecture to withstand earthquakes and strong winds. Swaying buildings. How the h*** are they hard metals and swaying?

Cristina: They can tell that the swaying from the scans as well.

Jack: This is text.

Cristina: Oh, that's the text. Okay. That's crazy. That's crazy though.

Jack: Yeah. They can't tell that they can sway. Nothing can sway underneath. Tons and tons and tons and tons and tons of dirt.

Cristina: Dirt and water. That's crazy.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Whoa.

Jack: But if this is the case, then it would suggest layered construction. So that means beams on top of beams on top of beams that aren't a singular beam so that they can move out of each other's place and instead of a giant wind, snap the thing. But also, if you have a giant metal building, no amount of wind is gonna f****** do anything to that.

Cristina: So you think the text is wrong?

Jack: Well, no, I'm sure they had different kinds of structures.

Cristina: Overall, I guess it's all pretty advanced. Whether it's swaying or not swaying. Like it's. It's kind of crazy.

Jack: Yeah, it's. It does definitely hint to at least our level of technology. Every. Minus giant metal buildings. We do not have the resources. If they did, how. Where the h*** did you acquire this to make entire towers. Skyscrapers that are one solid block. How the f*** would you have done it? The only way would have been to melt steel all the way up there onto the existing steel framework and keep doing that progressively up to make it one giant chunk. Weird. But other than that, you had buildings that were composed of multiple pieces to allow swaying. An earthquake is not gonna shatter a giant steel building. No amount of wind is even gonna push that slightly. But there's no way all their buildings were like that. Those had to be special buildings.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You know, you're burning a lot of resources. Yeah. You're destroy you. You. You're wasting material just to make one of those. So you would need all kinds of buildings in order to have a city.

Cristina: Unless they're also known for having mines nearby as well or something.

Jack: I'm sure most of this was mines. And there's no amount of mine. A single mining operation with hundreds of mines would get you one building. Maybe.

Cristina: Maybe. Okay.

Jack: Skyscrapers. Nah, it would get you one, dude.

Cristina: But they described having a tower.

Jack: At least many towers. Oh, many towers and many towers made of different materials, but many of them were solid, which is like how. How the h***. Oh, okay, so you used everything you had and there was nothing left?

Cristina: Everything and more. They were seven. Trading with a bunch of people too.

Jack: Yes. They must have been trained. With this level of technology, it's easy to believe that they were traveling great distances with some and delivering things to themselves.

Cristina: That's the only way. That's crazy.

Jack: Now, the city also had public spaces and temples. This is all mentioned within the text. And a lot of this could actually be seen on scans. Temples were described as aligned with celestial bodies, indicating knowledge of astronomy and its incorporation into building orientation. Now, although whether the structures detected are in fact buildings or monuments of sorts is unclear, sonar scans do confirm absolute alignment of a large portion of structures within the city with celestial bodies.

Cristina: And that's not just random?

Jack: That's not random. That had to be super intentional. Now this hints to a couple of things. This does hint to complicated astronomical knowledge. And? And some texts go as far as suggesting the awareness of objects deeper into our star system and even some outside of it. Which would require a minimum of interplanetary traveling technology.

Cristina: No, no.

Jack: A minimum. Some things today we could have never seen without being at the edge of our own star system.

Cristina: How's that powerful?

Jack: And they have knowledge of those things that we have only recently, within the last hundred years, come across.

Cristina: That one's hard to imagine.

Jack: It's in the text. That one we can't even deny. It's in the within. Old texts, they mention things we have only recently discovered.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: What things we have just stumbled upon in the last hundred years? They had 9,000 BCE they knew about. At least they knew about.

Cristina: How is that even possible?

Jack: They got structures aligned with crap we didn't know existed in our own star system, in the belts and s***. They got Planet Xmax mapped out somewhere. It's like get the f*** out of here. How?

Cristina: That's ridiculous.

Jack: You knew about some s*** we just theore still theorizing about. That's crazy. As for the public areas and the markets, Dwarka had public squares for gathering and markets, which implies well designed public spaces for trade and community activities. Text also mentioned trade with other like minded civilizations from both near and far.

Cristina: Like minded?

Jack: Yes. That doesn't mean that they were equally technologically advanced, but that they were at least friendly.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now it does claim that there were a few trades with rivals that they had in Peace treaties.

Cristina: But they don't mention who these rivals are.

Jack: They don't mention who these rivals are specifically. At least not as far as me writing those notes. Weirdly enough, they had like public polling areas in their texts as well. Pooling pool pools, public pools. People go swimming.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Without it having to be the ocean.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Different from their reservoirs that they kept clean.

Cristina: Yeah. They have mad water stuff.

Jack: Yes. The city very connected to water.

Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty cool.

Jack: The outside all surrounded by water, at least in one direction within the city. Natural collections of water, natural water distribution. Water canals that travel on top of having a bunch of locations just to go in water that doesn't taint their drinking water.

Cristina: That is crazy. That's so advanced and so cool to imagine.

Jack: So sophisticated. Yeah, it sounds so elegant. And then you consider everything has water. Everything is made. Marble and gold and shiny metals and gemstones on everything. And then you consider current day designs in India that definitely took inspiration from structures they've seen in the past. And you consider all of their walkways are white, all of the buildings are gold, silver with green, red and yellow stones on them. And the natural water resources everywhere. Beautiful city. Had to be such an astounding thing to look at.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So mind boggling now. Now we start getting into something a little more interesting. Transport infrastructure as we've described. They had roads and avenues. Some of them were pretty broad roads nevertheless, which allowed for easy travel. Reflecting on well planned transport networks within city, they also had harbors and docks. Because of their position as a cold SO city. Dwarka's advanced harbors and docks worked for ship docking, pointing to a lot of maritime infrastructure and integration. But it also suggested many, because of the size of the coast and the amount of infrastructure along the coast, that there were not only their ships taking off, but many, many, many receiving ports. Okay, so there was a lot of ocean trade.

Cristina: Yes, there is a lot of trade. That must be how they got material. If this whole, if the text is.

Jack: Correct now one of the only groups of people I could think about that they would trade. That would be. This level of technology would eventually be the Mayans. How would you. Who else are you trading with that could cross the ocean in such vast repetition? They would need equal technology or somewhere near you at least. And that's, you know, they can get from Mexico to travel the water to India. So there's likely a trade line in between those two points.

Cristina: Like the way they made up.

Jack: No, just for them to get to. From all the way in Mexico to the ports over here in India. And then from India, they were probably getting easily to ports in Maya.

Cristina: Yes. Maya has mad material, right?

Jack: They had man material. Yes.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But it's not even about the material. It's just about the fact that they, at some point, could have easily been trading with these people. So there's definitely connections. What's weird is the lack of mention. That's where it gets iffy.

Cristina: Who they were in contact with. Who are these friendlier foes?

Jack: No. Why didn't the Mayans mention these people? Why didn't anybody mention these people? Why do we have to look specifically at India? They clearly were trading with people.

Cristina: There has to be. Maybe they mentioned them as something else. Like the people. The sea people was the same way. Like there was a different word that we had to look into that was.

Jack: Oh, yeah, we found the Aletians much later.

Cristina: Yeah. They always mentioned them, but we just. It wasn't the right words that we were looking.

Jack: Yes. So it's completely possible that they were being described under a different term. Yes, I believe maybe among some of the texts that looked arbitrary and random to us. Again, perspective matters. A lot of the time we get informed, go back looking, we're like, oh.

Cristina: So we gotta do that. Okay.

Jack: I mean, we're gonna look at Maya anyways, because we already know that they had cities developed to transport people to the shadow realm and bring people from the shadow realm to live amongst.

Cristina: That's pretty crazy discovery. Yes.

Jack: So we still have. There's a lot in the text that was just not obvious.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah, we got that way later on from anything else. That's the most recent thing.

Jack: Again, we already knew that they had portals, but we had no clue that this was just right in front of our face.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's possible they did mention trade with these individuals. But interesting, though.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They also had some bridges over canals, which is just interesting. Some. A few of the canals had breaks over them, thin breaks, which, you know, suggested easy mobility for vehicles and things over it.

Cristina: And both like.

Jack: Yes, very Venice, Italy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now, diving into some of their defensive situations here. We know the city walls were heftily fortified and tall, which was obviously for protection of the city, showcasing defensive architecture to withstand attacks. These are the inner walls. It had nothing to do with the flood walls.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The gates were fortified. Each entrance to the city was fortified, further enhancing their defensive capabilities. Watchtowers mentioned in text. And at each meeting point of the gaps leading to the gates, there are taller structures to either side.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Of where the gate would be. So where the gap exists to both sides of the gap in the wall.

Cristina: Some type of tower.

Jack: Some type of taller structure. That had to be a tower. Could have been decorative design. But presumably those are the towers they're talking about. Those are the towers are talking about. Which would help for ensuring surveillance, security and defense. I'm sure they were shooting right out of there. Something was a problem. And naval fortification, seaside defenses included potential underwater barriers, which we can see with the combination. This is a weird one. The flood walls that existed in full perimeter towards the water side, towards the coast were connected. This is the only part where they're connected to the wall surrounding the city. So there's two layer of walls. The smaller outer wall, which is for flooding, and the taller inner wall, which is for defense. Towards the coast. Those walls are connected with different beams and connect. It's a full different interesting structure that creates one giant. If we get attacked from the water, those people are more f***** than anybody could ever be f*****.

Cristina: They have protection for that.

Jack: That is a protection I'm talking about. The protection is that.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If somebody attacked from the water, they have their defensive wall and their flood wall as one giant series of pillars. And it looked like they just had thousands at this point of watchtowers, all aiming towards the water.

Cristina: That is kind of crazy. But I mean, you have to do something like that. Yeah, I guess if you're that advanced and that's your weakest spot.

Jack: Yes. So this was obviously for. For naval protection. There must have been problems. Now diving purely into texts and what they suggest. Their technologies according just the text go the extra mile. This gives us a better hint as to what we're talking about here. Keep in mind we can prove most of what we've talked about. So we can assume the texts aren't bullshitting because we can prove almost everything. So when we dive into the technologies, we have to question. Holy s***. Did you just start bullshitting? But it's tied in equal parts with all the stuff we can prove now. They had advanced energy systems. So free clean energy harness from natural sources, which included water. That makes perfect sense.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Solar. Okay. Weirdly enough, cosmic. What does that mean the Egyptians technology where they go into space and transport crazy amounts of energy.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It suggests they also had that they were maybe not as deep into space as the Egyptians were. All the way in the great Void. Literally creating an infinite amount of Dyson spheres to the point that we look up there and we just see darkness. But likely taking energy straight from not just solar, but rather sending things into the sun that weren't getting destroyed and bringing back mass amounts of plasmic energy. That's leaps and bounds of tech.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Just to accomplish something to gather energy like that. We are talking way more advanced than any other civilization without reaching the Egyptians and the Mayans. Definitely at least comparable to the Greek.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're at least tied with the Greek.

Cristina: The Greeks are the ones with the ones not once I forgot there was like pillars that helped gather energy. I can't remember if that was Greek or Egyptian.

Jack: That was Egyptian.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Egyptians had mastered energy. Okay, so that was the. Are you talking about. I forget what the obelisks.

Cristina: Yes. Did they have something like that as.

Jack: Well that there's no mention of it here.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But they definitely. I'm assuming they must have had something comparable or something slightly more primitive. Again nobody's with the Egyptians when it came to energy.

Cristina: But plasma energy you said what?

Jack: That is still way more primitive than going across all of space and creating Dyson sphere that enclose multiple stars.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: At no point is this the mention of a Dyson sphere. At most they're sending something into a star to capture energy. A Dyson sphere would be so far ahead of sending something into a star that like this is primitive by comparison.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Now it's still way more advanced than any city that exists today. This will s*** on any technology we have ever seen in person. Any technology anyone alive today has ever witnessed personally. This is way ahead of that. Still miles behind the Egyptians and the Egyptians were miles behind the Alicians, but still overpowered that is.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Now here we get somewhere that we've not seen mentioned anywhere else. Flying vehicles referred to as vimanas. Vimanas. I don't know how I would say that. V I M A N a S Anti gravity and energy based flying machines capable of both local transportation and possibly inter regional and interstellar travel. Now we're elevating to getting closer to the Egyptians. Probably farther away from the Mayans. But we still don't have a true perspective on the Mayans because when we think about what we're talking about here, the Mayans technology would look closer to magic for us. While the Egyptians technology looks closer to our traditional sciences.

Cristina: Oh, science, yes.

Jack: So the Mayans are masters of crossing to the other side, while the Egyptians are masters of controlling things on this side. Two vastly different types of technology which as we found out with the Shadow. The Shadow gods. The crossing of technology is something important. Mixing of these two worlds matters. And there's zero mention of these Individuals having any connection to the Shadow realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: To this moment, there's not. And I guarantee you through the entirety of what we're going to talk about, there's not one mention. They seem very, very, very exaggeratedly on the side of earthrealm, but technology wise.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: While the Egyptians had shadow people and Alicians had shadow people, and the Mayans had shadow people, and the Greek had shadow people.

Cristina: No shadow people. I wonder if there's any mention of Maga. That usually helps.

Jack: I don't know who built the city. It's unclear who was leading, which people were involved or anything.

Cristina: No leaders mentioned. Whoa.

Jack: No one specific. Just breaking down the city specifically. Maybe at some point. I'll try to see if we can find names or something. But as far as we know, there's nothing. No. None of this technology at least connects to the Shadow Realm or even Alphan. Just straight up tech. Straight up Earth Realm tech.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Advanced. They're specialists. Clearly specialists in Earth Realm.

Cristina: No help.

Jack: Don't know.

Cristina: As far as we can tell. That's crazy.

Jack: We don't know. We have no reference point to tell whether they did or did not. But we just know all of it seems to be earthrealm based. If they had people of Val Fame and people of the Shadow realm involved, even those individuals were entirely focused on earthrealm tech, because that's all we're saying. And I guess based on the difference of technologies between Maya and Egypt, we can assume that the Mayan and Egypt were equal just in totally different technologies. Which would mean that these individuals are catching up to the Egyptians and the Mayans. Based on the quality and complexity of.

Cristina: Their technologies, they gotta be equal. I don't know. They sound ridiculous.

Jack: Yeah. And we can assume that the Greek were also pretty up there. The Greek, the Mayan, the Egyptian, the Elysians, and now the people from India, from Dwarka, at least. Very interesting flying vehicles. We've seen this nowhere else. But if you got portals, you don't need to fly anywhere. You can just pop up places. So none of those individuals needed them? Them. These people don't seem to have portals.

Cristina: But what does a flying vehicle mean? Like, what is it made out of?

Jack: It's a machine. I don't know.

Cristina: It's a machine. It's crazy. I don't know. It's just hard to imagine.

Jack: Imagine a car.

Cristina: But would it even look like a car? Would it look like.

Jack: No, it would look like their version of car. It looked like their ancient primitive.

Cristina: Not primitive, but ancient descriptions of what this Flying vehicle looks like.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: They just what it could do. It was capable of vertical takeoff. It could travel interstellarly. Which is nuts as.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But we know there are people who could instantaneously cross the universe. So that's still primitive as compared to that technology. They did not have that sort of Egyptian teleportation tech that existed which probably wasn't even Egyptian to begin with. That was probably given to them by the Mayans who were the masters of creating portals and bridging gaps like that. Possibly it existed in the pyramids and the pyramids existed in both locations.

Jack: You know, that's the kind of thing that is like. Well, if you guys are sharing tech then that. That one probably came from this group of people.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: Knowing what they specialize in. They had advanced shipbuilding and maritime technology. So sophisticated ships, navigational tools, water defense ships, submarines for protection, trade and possibly automated. Nevertheless. So like no people are in there?

Cristina: No.

Jack: What they have AI navigating these ships.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: This is in their text. Like this should just worked on its own. But again this is where we have to be like d***, bro. So scientists have to scientists looking through these ancient texts. I'd be like oh no. This is. This is a 100% just myth at this point. But it's like come on bro, we could do it. Why do we have to be the pinnacle always?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: It's weird. Weaponry and defense systems Here we dive into weirder things. Okay. We have interstellar traveling. That's right. We have automation. So AI. So some of that leans into. When you think about what it would require. Right. To interstellar travel you need mass amounts of energy. But if you're going straight into the sun and acquiring energy, you have mass amounts of energy. High energy weapons that include laser rifles.

Cristina: Oh my God.

Jack: Laser missile technology. Precision destruction capable of energy dispersion higher than current day nuclear weaponry.

Cristina: How is.

Jack: How are what and defense shield and barriers probably energy powered.

Cristina: No way.

Jack: So they can in. Now here is where it becomes interesting. The outer wall is way shorter and thicker. The inner wall is taller and thinner. The side of the wall connecting facing the water connects to both walls connect. If you were to draw this out, you could easily flick a switch and a dome would farm over with support. Weird. The structure without having to read any of this bullshit would tell you you could easily form a dome around it. How out of all the s*** that's weirdly the closest one to being proven. A weird energy shield.

Cristina: An energy shield. How are they doing this, this is way too advanced. Now I'm questioning the city. Maybe they were gold, I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. As we get into their tech, it starts to kind of go into the deep end.

Cristina: That sounds ridiculous. Maybe they're mining in the sky. Like why do they have to trade?

Jack: I mean, once we establish that they could do interstellar travel and they could acquire energy from a star.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Acquiring pure materials from space becomes easy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So you don't even have to go that far. You could just go to the first belt, start mining.

Cristina: That ridiculous. Okay.

Jack: The fact that they would have had to be able to exit our star system at all means the outer belt. Easy. You don't have to leave our star to get there. You just stay within our own solar system and you could mine the outer belt infinitely for all of infinity and.

Cristina: Have just infinite resources with this crazy advanced technology. They were letting people into their city. That's crazy.

Jack: Totally primitive people. But these people are going to come in. Nobody's going to hurt anybody. How I know he's going to come in for trade and whatever. The cities surrounding this location that are around today. And their historical records do suggest that although they weren't advanced, they had access to already existing advanced materials that they didn't have the ability to make. So they were going to places to shop for things they couldn't replicate. And these people weren't afraid to give to them because how the f*** are they gonna learn how to do it?

Cristina: They're not.

Jack: They could just come buy it from us and they'll always have to come buy it from us. For all of infinity they'll have to come buy it from us. Because they would never learn with their primitive s*** how to replicate it.

Cristina: That's crazy. There's no way they were like doing that with their ships or that.

Jack: No way.

Cristina: They were not using their technology.

Jack: They were just letting people come in and take the things that wouldn't be able to be used against them.

Cristina: Insane, insane technology.

Jack: Now when we revisit the automation and artificial intelligence, it makes way more sense that they definitely had access to all of these things. And it suggests that their automated systems were used to manage everything from city infrastructure to trade and defense. So AI could have been integrated to everything. What they had Internet?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They had a stock market, likely. And that this would choose prices that made sense and allowed every outsiders to come and trade. Allowed civilized equally powerful civilizations to come and trade and primitive civilizations to come and trade in a fair way that it's all calculated and you don't have to.

Cristina: I have to believe that the Mayans and the Egyptians had this type of tech as well.

Jack: Well, we know they did. We know they had AI and we know that at least the Mayans did, which suggested the Egyptians and the Elysians did, since they were always sharing. The minds at least had the ability to store all this data.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which required sorting through it, which would require something with the ability and capacity to run through it.

Cristina: So they all had some type form of Internet and AI.

Jack: Yep. Interesting. And the Internet would probably suggest how the libraries made it to these separate locations. The Sphinx and El Castillo.

Cristina: It makes sense.

Jack: They just needed a hard copy in case of s***. Which did happen. So the hard copy did pay off.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Interesting. It's interesting that like Jesus knew about the technology too. I remember we learned that he just stuck to writing paper because it was more trustworthy than.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Using anything else.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes.

Cristina: He.

Jack: He did not trust. Using whatever current. And the fact it was. It sounded stupid at the time. Oh, he. And he found that writing was more effective at keeping secrets. And it's like, as compared to what?

Cristina: Dude, it has to be this.

Jack: It had to be this. He was trying to evade the modern mode of communication. Right? Now if we were trying to evade the government, we would do it by sending handwritten letters that would look like any normal male. Is how you would evade the technologies that are being surveilled by the governments of the world. That's exactly what he was doing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Crazy Jesus was actively coming up. He was a rebel. And like, to the realest, most exaggerated. He was the rebel of rebels.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah. He was the golden standard. Medical technologies. They had advanced health care. And here's where it gets a little weird. Genetic engineering capable. Capable of extending life, curing diseases and healing injuries instantaneously.

Cristina: How. I mean, I understand. But like all of them, they always. This always ends up. They all seem the same.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Once they reach a certain.

Jack: And it looks like when you think about it. Right. Who is super overpowered? All first world countries are first world countries and they're equally first world countries to some degree. Yes. Some are slightly better, some are slightly worse. But they're all First World countries.

Cristina: These ancient first world countries are all.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Like that.

Jack: They're all roughly equal. And yes, there's the one mega super like Russia, United States equivalent, which was the Alicians. Oh, we're all scared of you.

Cristina: Yeah, but. But everyone has their unique.

Jack: Yeah, but it's more or less there. Everybody's kind of on the cusp of the same thing. It's just again, we can think. The United States. Oh, they're strapped with nukes. There's the most dangero. I was like, all right, those were the Alicians. They had the most nukes. We'll just call it that. They had the most nukes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so people wanted to trade with them the most so that they're on their good graces, like the United States. And people wanted to, you know, always be on their happy side. The Elysians all feared to the point that if you're gonna talk s***, you're gonna talk s*** secretly, you're gonna come up with a different word. Sea people. The sea people. F*** them.

Cristina: F*** the sea people.

Jack: I hate them all. The Alicia.

Cristina: There has to be word. I can't wait to find what these people are called. Really or not really. We know their names, but what other people were calling them.

Jack: What other people calling them and what they were calling other people.

Cristina: Oh, okay, yeah.

Jack: Now, computing. How do we get to AI? Well, they. According to the texts, they don't use the following terms. This is what it would translate to if we were to assume what it meant, which is the ability to compute infinite information almost instantaneously. They must have had quantum computing. They must have had quantum computing. It's the only way for any of this we are talking about to be.

Cristina: Possible once we get to sun power. Like, okay, okay, you must, you must.

Jack: How are you building anyway? No, it's not a stretch. In fact, quantum computing would be primitive comparatively. You must have had past the. Out of that threshold long ago before.

Cristina: You're taking energy from this within the sun.

Jack: Like, okay, you need something that can process making a material that won't melt. Like how?

Cristina: Like how exactly? Yes.

Jack: It needs to withstand the pressure and heat of the sun and then somehow have thrust enough to pull itself out from that gravity.

Cristina: That technology is the true advanced technology. Like, what is that?

Jack: Yes, yes, but also, that's still way primitive than a Dyson sphere. Yes, because the Dyson sphere that isn't collapsing and falling into the star, you must have figured something out. An instantaneous transportation. Crazy. These was leaps and bounds so far ahead of what could be understood. But yeah, definitely quantum computing. They also had environmental control systems, so controlling the weather, obviously, and environmental conditions to manage heat flooding, even manipulating the climate in general to have the most ideal climate at all times. Now we get to scaling, right? Now we get to scaling. Yes, within text alone. There's no way to conclude or prove this any other f****** way than reading it. One Part of this very easy science wise and terminology wise, we can compare this to other civilizations, which is dimensional physics. Opening and closing portals. Now we've gotten to portals. They have the ability to open and close portals now it does not mention at any moment crossing a portal to another realm. It sort of looks like folding space onto itself. So warp technology that allows them to cross huge gaps of space in short time.

Cristina: That's how they're traveling to the sun.

Jack: That's how they're traveling to the sun. And probably entering the sun effortlessly. Maybe it's not even that kind of tech. Maybe it's not something going into the sun in the same way we think maybe they're folding the sun in a way that allows them to put something in there, extract energy and unfold it and be safe.

Cristina: That is ridiculous.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: That is so, I guess, possible.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: So if you have that tech now.

Jack: We can compare that to other civilizations and be like, yeah, okay, sure, whatever. The other side that is mentioned in sync with this, we don't necessarily have equal, which is time manipulation.

Cristina: Whaaat?

Jack: Potentially mastery over time dilation.

Cristina: What? What does that mean? How?

Jack: Well, the text suggests that they can manipulate time.

Cristina: And what?

Jack: I don't know, it doesn't specify. Just talks about that being among their technological capabilities.

Cristina: That's kind of insane.

Jack: Yeah, that puts them way up there, right next to the Aleutians. And based on how long ago this was made, maybe.

Cristina: But no one can wrestle time. I mean, besides the necromancers.

Jack: The necromancers, exactly. So we know of people who can. And if the Elysians had access to the necromancers without ever explicitly mentioning time manipulation, they had access to it, they just didn't mention it. But the necromancers did. And the necromancers could easily, almost effortlessly, and it wasn't a problem, it was an afterthought. And the Elysians had access to the necromancer.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So they had access to time. We just hadn't stumbled upon this before.

Cristina: So these people possibly did the same. Because without a necromancer.

Jack: Oh, right. How the f*** would you do it? Without a necromancer?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they must have had a necromancer. But also, we know Jesus was fond of India.

Cristina: Yes. And we also know what's his name?

Jack: Hermes.

Cristina: Hermes likes to travel.

Jack: Yes. And Hermes was also fond of India.

Cristina: Oh crap.

Jack: And Hermes, although close to the Elysians, was a neutral party.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. So.

Jack: The homie, both the homies might have. They might have Traveled here.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: Both the homies might have traveled and given tech or helped with developing tech. Teaching them, okay, you can't do what we do, but maybe we can make some technology that can, man.

Cristina: But, man, that's. That's too much. That's too much. That's more. I don't know. Time tech is just crazier than any type of tech there is.

Jack: Yes. I think it violates anybody f****** with you.

Cristina: Yeah. And yet they were f***** with. At least they had to be. Like.

Jack: Now. The question is, why isn't the city standing today?

Cristina: That is a good question. I want to know. Death friendly. I have guesses.

Jack: Go for it.

Cristina: I don't know. The Elysians didn't like what they were doing. They had to have enemies. Of course.

Jack: Other than the Elysians, what enemy could they possibly have that could do anything?

Cristina: If they weren't friends with the Shadow Realm people, maybe the Shadow Realm people didn't like them.

Jack: Who's gonna have the tech to f*** with us? Who in the Shadow Realm could possibly. We're talking. These people seem kind of ridiculous. Ridiculous.

Cristina: But they were taken down. Like, that's pretty. Like, whatever did do this, it's kind of crazy, whatever it is. It's very scary.

Jack: All right, so the likely possibility is obviously war and some kind of conflict. Now, trade rivalries. Dwarka's role as a major port city likely placed it at the center of competition for trade routes with other civilizations, which may have made it a target for civilizations seeking dominance over those Earths. In a geopolitical context, its strategic location and advanced infrastructure would make it a likely target for power struggles or military conflicts. But nobody surrounding them could have had the ability to f*** with them in any magnitude imaginable.

Cristina: So they could have taken themselves out.

Jack: Mentions of civilizations with equal or superior military power were perceived with the threat of invasion. This is mentioned within.

Cristina: Okay, so then someone else could have.

Jack: They mentioned equals. They were unclear about who those equals were, but there were people who they did fear.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Leaders of Dwarka had mentioned evacuation as a possibility to a large conflict with the rivals.

Cristina: That's how scary their rival was. They're like, let's just abandon everything.

Jack: Abandon.

Cristina: The most man city we have ever heard of was like, we just gotta get out. Yep, there's no solution here with this enemy.

Jack: Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.

Cristina: What is that? Scary from what? Everything you've mentioned. What could possibly be more scarier than that?

Jack: Now, this is where the environmental controls and those really advanced water pumps kick in preemptive sinking is loosely. In different texts. Not one piece says explicitly. But some will mention flooding the city, some will mention sinking the city. Some will mention creating storms to protect the city. Some mentioned evacuation of the city. All of that is one scenario. So the water management systems that the city had were quite advanced, as we know. They included the reservoirs. They included the canals and flood defense systems. This indicates that Dwarka could have easily controlled natural water flows. And it's possible that this was used to deliberately flood and sink the city, ensuring rivals wouldn't capture their technology. It was about.

Cristina: This was the runaway situation.

Jack: This was a runaway situation.

Cristina: What?

Jack: But this tells us something very, very, very, very interesting.

Cristina: This is the second time we saw something like this.

Jack: Yes, exactly. Now, it's not a matter of, oh, the Elysians blood. No, these people sank this before the Elysians did.

Cristina: The Alicians were scared of something. They ran.

Jack: These people were scared of something and they ran. They sank the thing trying to get rid of the potential of whatever other f****** s*** it was. And this is long before Jesus. Now, this was built around 9,000, but this city went down around 2,000 BCE.

Cristina: And when did the Elysians do it to their own city?

Jack: Year one, year one. Which would be 2,000 years after this.

Cristina: What is happening? What could be a threat like that?

Jack: What could be a threat that something as overpowered as Dwarka and Elysium.

Cristina: Like, they look like they got infinite amount of power.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What is scarier than that?

Jack: Unstoppable forces of nature.

Cristina: God.

Jack: Tier. The Almost the highest level we can think of when it comes to the Kardashev scale. At least localized level 4. Without counting, you know, bending the literal fabric of space time in the universe. What the f*** could you be dealing with that these people also had the fear of something stronger and actively sank super ridiculously advanced technology trying to avoid it being captured by something stronger. Who could be the rivals? And who are these people who are still lurking 2000 years after this city sank and made the Elysians paranoid? So then the creation of Jesus was only trying to stop whatever the f*** that was.

Cristina: So you think there's something bigger than the Elysians? Okay, what? That is so crazy. What could possibly be this?

Jack: They needed Hermes and Jesus and it still wasn't enough to somehow deal with whatever this other thing is. Presumably these people are still also around somewhere so deep and hidden.

Cristina: I would think the. I guess the biggest option would be Mel.

Jack: I guess. But the weird problem is we can't get information on that.

Cristina: I know we can't, but, like, that's the biggest. Like, maybe she can delete things. I don't know. Maybe she could delete things from her program if we're just in her program.

Jack: Well, at this point, I'm not even sure if it's still a program. But, like, I don't. I don't know what any of this means anymore. And the fact that, like, who can f*** with these people? This is two different cities of the most advanced anything that has ever existed in all of. Anything that we have ever conceived that feared something more complicated. And even the they made at the very end was so overpowered that it would on the entire Jesus alone. Would. On the entire Elysian civilization and every bit of technology they've ever had. And still that wasn't enough.

Cristina: It's gotta be the fairies doing their thing. The fairies are so advanced and we never actually know what they're doing.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And look, we just know they're safeguarding the program.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: This would make so much sense.

Jack: Yeah. The. It looks like the. The elves fail when we get to Jesus.

Cristina: Yes. But maybe not.

Jack: Maybe not. Maybe not. Maybe successfully breaking apart the group or how. Making them abandon their level of progress.

Cristina: Yes. Like, that's pretty.

Jack: That's.

Cristina: That's wild. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. They're forcing these individuals to control. Alt. Delete.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You know, they're just forcing them to delete their own.

Cristina: Yes. Because, like. Or you'll get deleted.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: You'll delete it. Or you get deleted.

Jack: Like something is going. It's you or it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's like. I don't know. Maybe.

Cristina: Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. Because it's just too advanced to imagine something. Like, what possibly could they fear besides, like, being wiped out?

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. It's too. It's. It's incomprehensible that there would be an issue.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So these people flooded their city.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Snapped it off the side, sank it.

Cristina: Into the ocean, and then covered it up.

Jack: Well, no time did that. They just f****** sent it into the ocean.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And time buried it. But it's like, leave it f****** down. Let's get the h*** out of here. They vacuumed the whole b****. They evacuated everything and just dipped. Crazy. So records. The earliest records of the city date back to 574, which mentioned previous records that got washed away and things that disappeared over time, dating its sinking to 1500s BCE. Somewhere between 15 and 1900s BCE, so about 2000 years before the Elysian sank their city.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And this kind of ties them to the beginning of other civilizations like the Indus Valley civilizations and whatnot that would then settle within the regions. I know. It's f****** weird, man.

Cristina: I think we have some. We're getting a picture of something at least. What could possibly be going on?

Jack: This puts the Elysians equal to the city of Dwarka. So that's two different cities, not countries. These are cities. Elysium at the bottom of the Persian Gulf oasis and Dwarka at the edge of India. Two highly advanced civilizations that just were.

Cristina: Taken down by themselves like nothing else.

Jack: Yeah. They themselves took. Sank their everything. And the mines ran away, the Mayans ran away. Probably to the Shadow Realm. Originally, we thought, because it didn't look like there was no trail. There was no trail outward. Our conclusion was they went underground, but they didn't need a trail outward if they just left the f****** realm.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which would explain that. And the Egyptians were like, f*** Earth.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's a lot of evidence of that. They're just like, we made rockets. We made this, we made that. And dipped. F*** everything.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Something. But no, no, because. No, no, it's not. It's not the elves or. If it is, it's not. It can't be the system logic we applied to it before.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because the Elysians took as much tech as they could underground underwater, and the Mayan took a bunch of their tech too. We assumed underground, but likely to the Shadow Realm. And the Egyptians took their tech across the universe.

Cristina: Well, we don't have the proof of what tech they took. Like maybe it's safe tech that the fairies wouldn't be bothered by and they probably destroyed.

Jack: Take tech that allows you to cross the universe. You're talking quite advanced. You're talking the most advanced of the most advanced. Something that could withstand the pressure of the deepest part of the ocean, is the weight of Earth on top of you and it not collapsing. We're talking advance.

Cristina: So what's going on? I don't know. Interesting.

Jack: Minus the fact that we have no proof of the Greek running away. We don't actually know where those people might be at this moment. Minus that. That's four different examples, two of which are colossally overpowered. Way more overpowered than the other two, which are the Elysians and Dwarka.

Cristina: Destroyed their crap and ran away.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: So what is it that everybody was horrified of that was so colossal it was more important to dip everybody? Full mass evacuation. That's four full mass evacuations.

Cristina: What's that about? What's that about? I don't know. That's crazy.

Jack: Yep. So there you go.

Cristina: I wonder if we'll find out. But like, I hope we do. I doubt we will.

Jack: But like, slowly but surely, I guess it's just crazy. I don't even understand what could be this overpowered. But for all this data, anybody who's interested, all this is available online. All this is available in different series of books. I'll tell you the names of those books again. You can find the lost city of Dwarka. You could find marine archaeology of the Indian Ocean countries. You could find excavations of Dwarka. You could find the archaeology of Bet Dwarka. And you could find archaeological survey of India reports. All are heftily including all of this information. And you can go through it yourself, find which details matter. And all of this is, you know, you could cross reference it with other data that isn't within the books that are mentioned. You could find a lot of the original texts.

Cristina: That would be so insane. I just don't understand. It's ancient and advanced.

Jack: Just like the Elysians. Yeah. Yeah, just like the Elysians. That's crazy. And this is just one we're going to be going through. There are others.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Yeah. So, yeah, if you guys want to talk to us about this, anything you find while looking at this, feel free.

Cristina: To see a connection that we're missing.

Jack: Yeah. Feel free to contact us on our socials at. Just convopod on X, on Facebook, on Instagram, on wherever the h*** you want to type. Just convo pod and we show up.

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Cristina: What? And this has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: Sabbath.

Cristina: Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

September 07, 2024

Rambling 288: Minotaur

September 07, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

What exactly is the Minotaur? What was its purpose? Where does it come from? The duo unpack the many myths and hidden stories of one of Greece’s most infamous creatures in a search to find any shred of relevant data that could help inform them beyond previously reached barriers in the data related to the Elysians or Clinton Road.

+Episode Details

Greek Mythology
Minotaur
Ancient Punishment
The Labyrinth
Survival Maze
Poseidon

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcription

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas, of which there are many. Humanity is very absurd and baffling.

Cristina: We are.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Very confusing, absurd and baffling individuals. And so to catch anybody new up, we have been recently looking at or trying to solve what the h*** is at the bottom of Cross Castle, which is essentially located in West Milford around Clinton Road. What is considered to be the most haunted place planet Earth. And there happens to be a castle that a bunker was made and everything inside of it was private for quote, official government reasons, unquote. And to keep mining goods protected. Allegedly. But everything about the situation is really weird. And has tunnels leading to towns where the exit and entrances are unknown, a secret in and out in the woods that nobody knows where it might be and the castle having been destroyed, making accessing the bunker underneath impossible from that location and only accessible through the other passageways that connect through different towns. Weird, random things going on.

Cristina: Strange. Yes.

Jack: And this place happens to be located again where the spookiest, most haunted things take place. Except that we can tell a lot of these things line up with things that we've researched and looked up in the past, including creatures from different realms and in. You know, there's a lot of science going on, ancient sciences going on and modern day science is going on and things that allow people to move to ethereal states and to cross into non physical ways and to manipulate the fabric of reality in different manner, shapes of forms or what not. Usually being necromancers or things along those natures. Although in modern day we use the word which was druids. Druids supersedes necromancers. But it's an incorrect words. Ka. Druids kind of lacks the very specific nature of a necromancer having to die to get where he's going.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And a druid doesn't need to. A druid is just some other thing. A low budget necromancer at best was.

Cristina: Just hanging out in the woods.

Jack: Yes. And so we have gone on. Sometimes we look at other areas to get informed about other areas. And sometimes we look at things that are more or less related or they have patterns that seem relative to each other in order to get informed on things that in a lot of time it works, you know, sometimes it doesn't and we just find something cool to look at.

Cristina: Yeah, that's so cool.

Jack: Yeah. But sometimes we actually connect the dots and it works. And it's. Oh, yeah, this is clearly related to that. And. And sometimes we just go monster hunting as well.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because there's weird creatures out there. And sometimes monster hunting answers questions we didn't know we had that do inform these other things. Because monsters aren't really monsters, per se. It's usually just some kind of science freak, and science is way more than modern society accepts.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But that being said, today we have something a little interesting to look at, and this is one of those times that I need you.

Cristina: Oh, boy.

Jack: To tell the audience what you're looking at, because they're not going to be able to see it. IO only podcast. So I need you to paint the picture of what you are currently looking at in front of you.

Cristina: I don't know. It's. I'm sure it has a name. I don't know what the name is. It's a mythical creature. Greek mythical creature.

Jack: Fascinating.

Cristina: All right. I'm sure it has a name. I just don't know what it is. It's like a. I keep thinking centaur, but it's not a centaur. It's some type of beast. It's got hooved legs, horns, red eyes, making you, I guess, think it's like a devil creature, whatever, you know, like, if you. But it looks.

Jack: More detail. More detail.

Cristina: I'm thinking very muscular. Yes, very muscular. Man or lion. Go thing. I don't know. That's covering its private parts because it carries and it has a belt and it's holding a stick, I think. Could be a stick. Could be some type of weapon. I don't know. Inside. I don't know what he's inside of.

Jack: Interesting, right? He's inside something for sure.

Cristina: Yeah. Could be underground. Could be. I don't know. It has a toe, I think. I think so. I don't know. It looks like a combination of different animals.

Jack: What animals would you say it looks like?

Cristina: A lion? A bull, maybe? Because the horns are like a bull.

Jack: Elaborate on the horns.

Cristina: They're long, curvy, pointy. I think he has ears, though, underneath it.

Jack: Yes, I see that, too.

Cristina: Yeah. And he has the hair. The lion mane thing happening. I think. Like, it's. But his arms are very human.

Jack: Minus the fact that he seems to have, like, sharp talons at the very end. It's just hands, right?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. They look like regular muscular hands and torso with. I don't Know what's happening with his legs? His legs are goat legs. He's like a combo of different animals.

Jack: Okay, okay, okay. Describe his face a little.

Cristina: I don't really can't talk because it's really bad. Like he's in the shadow. So half of his face is missing. Okay. Is that his teeth? His teeth is showing. I'm not really sure what his nose looks like.

Jack: I would argue he has a bit of a gorilla looking nose.

Cristina: Yeah, a gorilla looking sort of face. I think besides the mouth that's sticking out. I don't know if the mouth, the teeth. If that's the teeth. Sharp teeth. And the ears. I'm not sure what animal the ears look like.

Jack: I would also say that's kind of goat like. Yeah, it feels very goat like to me.

Cristina: The ears are like goats. The. I don't know the. If that's goats too. The horns is either go go or fascinating. What did I say before? Bull.

Jack: Interesting, interesting.

Cristina: With the hair of like a lion.

Jack: Definitely something reminiscent, right? Something you've seen before to some degree.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay, we're gonna take a look again at a different image of this creature. More. More variation of the same creature. So you could paint a little more picture. Maybe it'll. It'll zero in on something. Anything you notice different here. These are all just based on things that have been described of this creature.

Cristina: What's the one next to it? There's the same thing. Are very similar. The first, the one to the left. The one to the left looks very similar except his legs are thinner, very thin. But everything else looks almost the same. His hair is curlier. I guess it's long and curly. Looks more like a goat, I guess. And then he's next to a creature. I'm not really sure. I guess it's supposed to be him too, but just all animal side of him. Is he some type of werewolf?

Jack: No, this is supposed to be exactly the same thing in one state. It's just the level of descriptions are so varied that we can land at these two different images.

Cristina: So he always has the red hair and the horns and those goat like red hair, red hairs, red eyes, curly hair, long hair or not curly. Maybe wavy. Wavy hair.

Jack: Fur.

Cristina: Fur. That second. What is that second animal? It's not a bull though. But it's. That's like a hairy bull.

Jack: Interesting, right? There's something going on there.

Cristina: It's a hairy ball. A giant hairy. Giant hairy bull or goat. I think there's been goats that big.

Jack: No, no. H*** no. There's no Chance there has been anything this size in all of mention, other than this one thing.

Cristina: Okay. This is. It's. It has to be a ball that's just got his. Very hairy. That's very hairy. And the creature looks like a human version of that animal, I guess.

Jack: Interesting. Okay, so the animal's name that you were trying to get to is a minotaur.

Cristina: Yes, that's a minotaur. No.

Jack: Yeah, that would be essentially the minotaur.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But we're gonna look at one more image. This is to size, scale, kind of giving you an idea of how big these things really are. Paint this picture.

Cristina: There's a. I guess in the middle is a man, or what a man is supposed to be the size of. I think there's numbers next to him.

Jack: Ignore the numbers.

Cristina: Okay. Well, it's huge. What the mentor, Whether it's a human version of the manotaur or the animal version of the manotaur, they're huge. They're like two humans standing, like if two. If a person had a person on top of them is the size of whichever of these creatures you want to talk about?

Jack: Yes. Easily nine to ten feet tall, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And what details can you tell us about these individuals as you're seeing them here? More. I got more specific each time I'm showing you an image. So now you get more detail, more details.

Cristina: I don't know because it looks a lot like the other one. I don't know if there's any real difference.

Jack: Got you. I'll start painting the picture. Then. His legs. The hooved sort of animalistic legs that this, AKA Minotaur, would have is wrapped with leather bindings and some sort of metallic plate to protect its knees. It seems that would normally be exposed. There's something that looks like a kilt or something that's around its waist, probably made from fur and leather. And then around its chest, it has a weapon harness. At the same time, the face still maintains a sort of animalistic face. I would argue here it's even closer to a goat.

Cristina: Looks like a lion.

Jack: You think it looks like a lion?

Cristina: Fair enough.

Jack: It also looks kind of like a lion. Yeah, fair enough. Very exaggeratedly muscular arms, muscular upper body. In every version of it, its upper body is extremely muscular. It definitely does have a tail. It doesn't have hair. It has fur. Oftentimes the fur seems to be focused on the head and the neck or the legs. There's very little fur focusing on the body part. It seems like in every version of this, the body seems to be unexposed. There's a very neck, a little bit of fur on the arms and much on the legs, the hooved legs usually more towards the bottom, but there's some iterations with it a little higher, you get a little fur around the waist. So in, for lack of a better word, it's a minotaur. Yes, except we're gonna have quite a couple of better words.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So the minotaur kind of a known, probably one of the more known, less discussed creatures from Greek mythology.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it coming from Greek mythology tells us a couple of details right off the bat. If you have something weird and it came from Greek mythology, there's one group of people we can just point.

Cristina: Zeus and his buddies.

Jack: Yes, Always they're doing something weird. Always. So that's a good place to start looking for what the h*** a minotaur is.

Cristina: Okay, Right.

Jack: So doing some digging, we have some basic details here. Minotaur, the word literally translates to minos bull, so man bull.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Literally what it means. The stories of the Minotaur take place roughly around 1500 BC to 1300 BC. Now, outside of our descriptions that we gave to those images, there are some localized descriptions that we can give that come from text. Specifically, body of a man, head of a bull. That's the most obvious kind of descriptor.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, between 7 and 10ft on average. Okay, let's go to its head specifically. Yeah, it's huge, monstrous sized thing. Now, aside from its bull like head, it tends to have long curved horns. These long curved horns can be seen on bulls. These long curved horns can be seen on goats. These long curved horns can be seen on plethora of different creatures. And kind of really pronounced and large. Specifically on him, presumably because of his exaggerated size, again, 7 to 10ft is kind of excessive.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the horns would presumably be some monstrously sized things.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Fascinating thing that immediately gets my attention is glowing red eyes.

Cristina: Yes. Why?

Jack: Because it hints towards a lot of things that are curious. Glowing red eyes seems to be a feature of a lot of shadow realm things. Large flaring nostrils, reminiscent of something like an ape. Of something like a bull. Snarling mouth with incredibly sharp teeth. Now this is interesting because its face is. Its mouth in particular seems to be sort of almost a combination of an ape and the lion. Midway.

Cristina: Yeah. It's the sharp teeth from the lion.

Jack: Interesting. Right. Its face protrudes a little, which is unlike an ape. But the structure of the face and the pushing of the nose has a kind of ape like Structure to it. There's an interesting set of details here. Now, on its head it has short coarse fur covering most of its face and its neck usually coming from its head, appearing oftentimes like a lion's mane.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But also goats tend to have a kind of facial wrap like that. Interesting enough. So do bison, which I would argue.

Cristina: Is what they're trying to go for in these.

Jack: Well, at least the more animalistic version of him was like a bison with horns at this point.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And just its face and head is generally very thick and muscular. A very powerful looking creature. Now details outside of these descriptions that show up in sentences as well, but more like in literal sentences, as opposed to somebody just kind of chalking off what they thought looked like when they saw it and wrote it down. The face seems primarily human with extremely pronounced animalistic bull like features. It tends to have a beard that resembles that of a goats. Very similar to what we're saying.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So this is a translation into English from something from a Greek text that is literal sentence, a paraphrase. Not literally word for word, but it is a paraphrase of what they were trying to get to, which is. Yeah, bull like features and a goat like thing going on. Let's discuss. Its torso now has very broad, powerful chest, oftentimes ginormous, kind of leading to the typical masculine V shape you want. Tiny waist, huge shoulders. And he definitely has a highly muscular. The build is quite defined because of how muscular it is. Extremely veiny, extremely like you. You lift too much, bro. You mad swole.

Cristina: Very bull like. Bulls are pretty muscular creatures.

Jack: Yeah, very stocky. Yeah, very swole. Now its torso is covered in coarse fur, but often leaving the chest and belly area is exposed. So the fur kind of focuses on the back and on the side.

Cristina: Makes me think of like a gorilla type.

Jack: Yes, it definitely has that right. Because gorillas chests seem to be more bare. Well, it depends on the gorilla too. But yeah, it seems to be more bare and whatnot. And although those images weren't too specific on this detail, oftentimes its ribcage is pronounced through its muscular build. That's how tight its muscles are and how tight its skin is. You can kind of see the formation. Not like super protruding and nasty like it's dying of hunger or something, but rather you can tell it's so tight that its rib cage tends to be shown. Okay, now here's an interesting detail. It's often depicted whether wearing a leather strap in an X fashion that is used to hold axes and other weapons as we are familiar with because it tends to have two axes.

Cristina: Okay. I wonder why.

Jack: But.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Its arms, again, thick, muscular, kind of almost exaggeratedly so. Way more than its body. Its body is exaggerated, but you gotta then exaggerate farther to get to the ridiculously absurd size of its arms. And as we noted, its hands have sharp claws instead of natural human like nails. So it's a normal human like hand, other than it's ginormous and probably like three times the size of your head. But then instead of nails, actual claws, you can just swipe at something and cut it open.

Cristina: Like a lion, I guess. I don't know if it's like a combo of different animals, maybe.

Jack: Weird, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like it's unclear what we're looking at ultimately. What the h*** are they gonna claim the minotaur really is? If these are all the descriptors.

Cristina: Yeah, weird.

Jack: It's a weird creature for sure. And so slight fur covers the upper arms and usually the. The back of the hand, never the palm. Very gorilla. Like again.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It has very defined biceps and triceps. And again, veins visibly covering its arms. Like it's really ripped and jacked.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then its legs, very strong muscular thighs and upper legs covered in coarse fur, particularly around the thighs. Hoofed feet instead of human like feet. Defined calves and thighs, Slightly bent knees in a stance, ready for action. Oftentimes like a goat or a bull or these kinds of animals, horses and whatnot, that have a position to sprint instantly into action. Usually wearing a leather and fur kilt used to hold potions and weapons or different. Of different types.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And for his legs, I also have a little descriptor, which is the stance and bent of the knees resembles that of animals much like a horse, bull, goat, or other animal, seemingly always at a slight bent angle. This is descriptors. This is again a paraphrased sentence from Greek. So.

Cristina: No, I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, it's some like, weird other thing, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So overall notes on stance are slightly hunched posture. It's never perfectly wrecked. It's always got like a sort of lean forward going on. It looks really aggressive no matter what it's doing. Like, it could just be relaxing and looking exceptionally aggressive. But. And because of this, it kind of always appears ready to attack, like a lot of these animals. Like a horse always looks ready to jump into action. Always so weird creature. Looking at the descriptions, I was like, this is kind of weird. So based on these notes, the animals you've listed or what?

Cristina: Goats, gorilla, lion, bull.

Jack: Bull and Human.

Cristina: Human, yes.

Jack: Got a couple of things going on, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which one would you say is more dominant?

Cristina: The human, other than the human. Okay. Bull.

Jack: Bull, right. Looks very dominant. What would be second goat? Right. So we would say that the lion and the gorilla are almost not even present.

Cristina: Yeah. Except it has some tiny features that make it more lion, which is like the mouth is lionish.

Jack: I would argue that gorillas have sharp teeth.

Cristina: They do. Okay, Then the face is gorilla. Ish. But it has a mane that looks very lionish.

Jack: But also goats have that.

Cristina: Goats have that. Oh, yeah. And then the claws, though. That's not a ghost thing? That's not a gorilla thing?

Jack: No, it's totally not.

Cristina: It's not any of those creatures.

Jack: It has to be some cat or some s***, right?

Cristina: Yeah. So it look very odd.

Jack: It looks really weird. If you were to give this creature a name, what would it be? What type of creature is it? Not what species. But if you were to say this is classified as this, would you have a word for it?

Cristina: Crap. I'm pretty sure there's a word and I can't think of that word, but I know it. There is a word, is a word.

Jack: For a fusion of creatures.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: A chimera.

Cristina: Yes, it's a chimera.

Jack: It definitely comes across like a chimera. It looks like a fusion of things. So, yeah, that was weird. And so I was like, well, this is a chimera. I was like, this is interesting. Let's see what more I can find. Just details that exist in history about it.

Cristina: But the claws thing, it does have claws. Is that. That was the description?

Jack: Yeah. Has talons instead of nails.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So looking for what is happening here, I went and looked for some behaviors associated with this thing. And it immediately led me to the fact that this thing is aggressive behavior wise, aggressive, savage. In nature, the Minotaur is depicted as a ferocious and bloodthirsty creature prone to violence and driven by primal instincts.

Cristina: Isn't it like protecting something?

Jack: What is it protecting?

Cristina: I don't know, like an entrance or something. It's kind of like the Locknik monster story where it's like there's a hideout and they're protecting it. So maybe he's protecting an entrance to something or a treasure or, you know.

Jack: Yeah. Feels like a troll you can't pass unless you get through me. Definitely. Definitely has that vibe. Right. It's known for killing and devouring those that cross its path, making it a feared and deadly adversary. Well, isolation is interesting with this creature, the Minotaur. Is known for its isolation, which could represent an inability to fit into either human or animal worlds because of its weird kind of night, neither here nor there vibe. And additionally, this sort of solitude might have contributed to its aggressive nature in the first place.

Cristina: Okay, so then when they're describing this creature, is it just one or are there a few of them known and being described?

Jack: There is one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which you will learn in the story of it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That I will tell you because you asked. So the story goes as follows. King Minos of Crete. Crete is the most populous of the Greek islands. It's the most populated. Offended Poseidon, one of the Greek researchers. Poseidon then cursed Minos by causing his wife, Queen Palisafe, to fall in love with the magnificent bull.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: As a result of this unnatural union, the Minotaur is born.

Cristina: Oh. Oh, okay. What? I thought he was the thing that she fell in love. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: No, she fell in love. He was just a dude. She fell in love with a bull and then kind of let the bull lay down some pipe.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Bestiality. Casually to hide the monstrous offspring, King Minos ordered the construction of a labyrinth.

Cristina: Okay. That's exactly where I would imagine him being.

Jack: Okay, that word doesn't just stand out to you.

Cristina: A labyrinth, like what? Like the thing underneath Clinton Road. I don't know.

Jack: And, like, what else?

Cristina: There's another one. Labyrinth is the house counted as the house. That's how she has the house. Okay.

Jack: It's a maze. A labyrinth is another word for maze.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And her house was a maze. And so. Yeah. So he constructs a labyrinth. Huh? A creature from the Greek experiments or whatever the crap. This is some, you know, bestiality moment, and you create a labyrinth to put it in. Somehow the story immediately smells like bullshit and, like, you guys are covering something up to me.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now, the labyrinth is beneath his palace where the Minotaur was imprisoned and fed with human sacrifices from Athens. Such a specific set of words and events.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Human sacrifices in a labyrinth?

Cristina: They might not be related. Okay. I mean, they could be, but, like, sacrifices could be something else happening down there.

Jack: Like what?

Cristina: Stones being made. I don't know.

Jack: Interesting. Okay, that's a great. What other thing?

Cristina: What other thing?

Jack: What do you think was happening in the house? That you would suggest stones in this labyrinth and not on that one?

Cristina: Oh, some type of portal to the other side. Great.

Jack: What do you think is happening at the bottom of Clinton Road? That you would suggest stones here and not there?

Cristina: I guess. Because I don't know about missing people because there's dead people here. I don't know the other two stories.

Jack: Clinton Road, where hundreds of people go missing. There's a whole point about that.

Cristina: Oh, well, then, yes, Maybe that's happening there too.

Jack: That's kind of why we looked there in the first place.

Cristina: Focus so much on the ghost story. I forget about the dead that are the people that are missing. Being missing doesn't mean they're dead because they're missing. Like, it's hard to say 100% while you're saying there are dead. These people are dead for sure.

Jack: Dead, like, well, he's feeding on them, so they're dead.

Cristina: So they're dead, but they're being sacrificed or something.

Jack: According to the words. Yes. Now, guardianship, the labyrinth's protector is ultimately the Minotaur because he's who's there all the time. And he acts as a guardian and gatekeeper of the labyrinth, making a symbol of challenge and an obstacle that must be overcome. People get thrown there, and if you can make it out, you are a warrior. Worth note. This is a challenge for you. You're gonna be sacrificed because you're a piece of crap who maybe broke some law. But if you make it out, you're one of our heroes and you're probably joining us.

Cristina: Okay, interesting.

Jack: Except how do you beat the Minotaur and then somebody else can go and face him. You didn't kill him. What does beating the Minotaur then mean?

Cristina: Reaching the doorway that he's protecting. I don't know.

Jack: I guess the way out. Yeah, just like they throw you in through this side, and there's no way to scale the wall. And somewhere there's a door with stairs, and he's going to try to kill you before you get there. Yeah, fair. So within the labyrinth, his behavior is labeled specifically as predatory hunting. Sort of, yeah. The Minotaur is often portrayed as hunting those who enter the domain, stalking them through the maze, like corridors of the labyrinth. A horror movie immediately. There should be a badass movie about this somewhere, about, like, running away from the Minotaur and is chasing you through the chambers or whatever.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Cool. Now trapping the victims, the victims themselves in there. So it serves as a trap, with the Minotaur lying in wait for unsuspecting victims who cannot find their way out. Which leans into what you're saying, a way out. There must be a way out. And you must find the way out before he finds you. So you don't have to kill him. You have to find your Way out. It's a game.

Cristina: There's no way you're gonna kill him.

Jack: There's no way you're gonna kill him. Is a 10 foot monster with weapons deader for a 10 foot monster.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So interesting. It's a game of sorts. Right. At least it seems like, you know, old school coliseum vibes.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We throw you into the thing will here, will he not modern day. We would just trap every hallway with cameras and make it a show. There's a minotaur down there. It's. It's the Minotaur hour. And today's contestant is Bob. And Bob is gonna be tossing or hopefully he doesn't die on his way down. Then the crowd all cheers. Ah, hopefully doesn't die.

Cristina: Yeah. So we get FL flashbacks to him having an interview beforehand. Yes.

Jack: He, you know, when he sits in front of the camera, he's like, why are you doing this? Well, I feel like I'm the right guy and I can totally accomplish this. I want to be world champion of escaping Minotaur.

Cristina: Yes. And I also don't want to die because I stole.

Jack: Yeah. You know, I was being put to death and I was like, I'll do the minotaur run.

Cristina: I'm fast.

Jack: Yeah. And then I'll become a warrior. Just don't kill me. So. Yeah, fair enough. Like I would watch that show. Just don't throw innocent people. Throw people who have it coming. I mean, theft isn't enough to be thrown in a cage, to be murdered viciously by some monster 10 times your size. And to be fair, we've described it as a human and bull. So it's an animal for sure. And it could smell you. So it's probably way harder to win this than you think.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It could just find you through scent. And also it knows where people are being thrown to.

Cristina: Yes. There's many.

Jack: My bet would be the only way this could really work. There has to be multiple routes that you can take. Otherwise it's not fair. You're always going to cross paths. Because the idea would be he would start at the door out and you would start at the only way in. So you got to find your way through the maze to the door out. And he's going to start at the door out and try to hunt you. So there must be more than one way to get there so that if he goes one, maybe you can dodge him.

Cristina: Well, that's very maze like. Yeah, exactly.

Jack: Checks out. But he can also track you better because he's an animal who can probably smell you.

Cristina: Yes. Or if it's like Quincen row, then there's many ways in and many ways out. You just have to get out of. Not. You can't go through the way you came in. That's probably the only rule.

Jack: Fair. And unless you. Yeah. Cuz you probably got pushed in from some height that you can't compensate because you're human. But yeah, there's probably multiple ways. And to make it more complicated, assuming because of the nature of what we're talking about, a maze, it's probably not just many ways in and many ways out, but I think literally one way in and one way out. But you can go to a dead end.

Cristina: Many dead ends.

Jack: Not know it's a dead end. And it just connects you to a whole other part of the maze. Somewhere where you just pop up and you're like, I don't. I'm super confused now. So it's probably a mess like that where you could enter all the way at the farthest left, pop up all the way at the farthest right. So you gotta figure this mess out. Like that. But interesting. Again, if that's the case, then it's a little harder for the minotaur to catch you, thus making it more even Your scent is on this side and then it just pops up over there. But you're also heavily confused roaming these halls.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Thus kind of a level playing field at that point.

Cristina: I can't imagine many winners though, right? Or any winner. I don't know.

Jack: So what do we think is actually happening based on this? We're talking about a game, but they're talking about you throw an individual into the maze and this creature hunts you. What's happening?

Cristina: What's happening? Well, if he. I don't know if he's. He's not part of the gods, he's just a random guy. So what could he possibly have to protect? How is he important to anything, this king?

Jack: Well, he's not said to be protecting anything other than the maze. According to the narrative, he's trying to eat whatever thrown in. So it's just a, you know, it's punishment system where you can probably make it out. I guess the reward is if you don't feed him, you get out. Yes, but you're likely just gonna feed him. I think that's the case, right?

Cristina: I think so. I don't know. There seems like something's off. Something's off. Yeah, for sure.

Jack: Okay, I'm going to tell you about the non accepted narrative by looking at.

Cristina: Oh wait, I just got or just remember something. How do people know all his descriptions? Was there a winner because of that?

Jack: Fascinating point.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh, fascinating point.

Cristina: Or are there guards? Other guards? No, I don't think so.

Jack: Nobody goes in. Nobody goes in.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: So that's a great question. Good question. Now I'm gonna give you the correction of these stories from many different sources that aren't the accepted narrative.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: These are mentions in other areas about this. Now, there's an individual called Apollodorus of Athens, and he is one of the authors. He's the literal primary author of the accepted narrative first. So all of the above details came from that individual. Okay, that's from Apollodorus of Athens. So I'm gonna go to a guy named Virgil. Really? His whole name is Publius Virgilius Maro, and the writing is called Virgil's Anaid. This is the text in which he mentions the Minotaur. And he says. Now he only mentions it in passing, by the way. So he chooses to focus on what he deemed more important, which was the labyrinth and its construction. Interesting details he gives us. He claims labyrinth was constructed by Daedalus, which is an individual of note in Greek mythology. Originally learned of the labyrinth during a visit to the temple of Apollo at Kume, where he sees a depiction of the labyrinth on the doors of the temple. Somebody had the maze's layout on their door engraved. On a temple's door engraved. Interesting things happening already. Now we're getting to texts we're more familiar with. Temples and mazes checks out. Okay. The labyrinth is described as inextricable maze with bewildering windings. Checks out to be a maze, very maze like. Descriptions of a maze also described as baffling and confusing. Now a maze whines and takes you to dead ends. For it to be baffling and confusing is hinting towards incoherent nature of it, which would suggest they go on one side, pop out of the other.

Cristina: Okay, yeah.

Jack: Why are you getting baffled and like, how the h*** did I do?

Cristina: Or if it's like that house where like the doors, the stairs lead to nowhere.

Jack: Yes, it could totally.

Cristina: Or the door leads to nowhere or whatever the case.

Jack: Interesting enough, what we know about that house is that this lady built it. Most likely not for that side, but when she died to go to the other side to have a house to roam. She was also the most prominent phantom there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And she was also one of the only seeming non echoes there. Interesting. And now this place is also confusing. When you were asking where the Minotaur was located in that image. That was just probably a corridor of this maze. This means the Minotaur is described as being at the very center of the maze, coming outward to Hunt. Checks out, except for one problem with the logic. You must be starting at one end. The exit must be at the opposite end. And he starts between the two points. See? Only way it would make sense. There's no way you're trying to get to the middle. No, you gotta get out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So he's starting halfway between those two points, and he's gonna try to find you, and you're gonna try to avoid it.

Cristina: That's tough.

Jack: On your way to the door.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: As it seems, these are the only mentions we get from Publius Virgilius Maro. So we go then to a different individual that has another quick passing mention. Aristotle's notes in his library.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: In his notes, he briefly mentions the Minotaur and refers to him by name as Asterius. Now, you look up Asterias and you'll find variations of this name. Asterias and Asterion. Great. But he gave him a name. That's pretty sweet. Gives us another place to start with. Okay. Anyhow, there's one more writer of prominence that matters here. His name is Euripides. Euripides. So Euripides writings say. Which is a collection. So in his collection of writings, the Minotaur is a result of. Now, this is where it gets weird. This guy is way more obscure, way harder to find, and surprisingly, the guy who has completely different terminology. The Minotaur is a result of a progressive advancement in alchemy.

Cristina: What.

Jack: AKA the sciences of that time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Claims that Queen Pasiphy was the subject of this alchemic procedure.

Cristina: That makes more sense.

Jack: That makes way more sense and is way more along the lines that we would agree with.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The second subject was a babylos. A Babylon is a half bison, half bull.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Chimera.

Cristina: Okay, so that plus her equals this thing Pretty much.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: We took an experiment and then combined it with her. Made her experiment.

Jack: You didn't combine her. You used her DNA.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: Because it was a child. We know the union quote resulted in this. So it's a child of sorts. Some sort of assembly or some. Test tube baby.

Cristina: Test tube baby for sure.

Jack: Right. Some weird. And now we're in the territories we've heard about before. Weird experiments.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: How interesting. Weird experiments that Poseidon was running.

Cristina: Yeah. Makes sense.

Jack: Interesting. Right. Now, it specifically says Chimera, created by Poseidon. By the way. An alchemic process resulted in the two creatures referred to as brothers.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yes. Now let's take a look again so that you could be quite blown away by what we're looking at. It resulted in two creatures which referred to as brothers.

Cristina: Now you're saying those two things are two different creatures, not one creature being described two different ways.

Jack: These are two different individuals.

Cristina: Okay. Which is the human version? I guess they are both.

Jack: They're twins.

Cristina: They're twins. Okay. And they both came from this lady.

Jack: They're both from the same woman. And the same father. The same mother. Same father, yes.

Cristina: So one of them, though, looks more like a human. A human. And the other one looks more like the father.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Half bison. Half. What was it?

Jack: Half bison, half bull.

Cristina: Bull, yeah.

Jack: Interesting, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So this seems to have been lost in mythology. People have mentioned it, but the main narrative, over repeated durations, sort of fused them into one individual. Go back to Aristotle's notes. And he gave us two names.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. See?

Cristina: Oh, this lady was experimented on.

Jack: Yeah. The two names again being Asterius and Asterion. Asterias is the traditional Minotaur we are familiar with. And then Asterion is the quadruped.

Cristina: Quadruped walks on four legs. Oh, okay.

Jack: The more animalistic one.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Weird, right?

Cristina: Yes, Very strange.

Jack: Additionally, Euripides gives us a nice little detail that is so hard to find outside of his writing that it is baffling. And I've never heard it before until I saw the word. First I saw the word in Greek, and then I had to translate the word from Greek. So the alchemic process resulted in the two creatures referred to as brothers, which are Asterias and Asterion. Asterias, the Minotaur, is brother to Asterion, the Toro Boban. Those two individuals describe their different physical structures. The Minotaur, very human, like the Toroboban, very animalistic. Both twin siblings.

Cristina: Where is the Toro Boban being kept?

Jack: I just told you that the narrative got fused and turned them into one.

Cristina: Yes, but. So in. But then they're both living in the maze.

Jack: Yes. Okay, so the claims by Euripides go. The Minotaur would result reside in the very center of the maze, protecting what he referred to as the entrance. At the center of the maze is the entrance, not where the person you throw in there to die goes in through just something he referred to as the entrance.

Cristina: Okay. Which could be his entrance into the maze, maybe. No, but then he can't go in.

Jack: And out, so he can't go in and out.

Cristina: It's very strange to call it the entrance or not strange if it's not really an entrance in the way. We're thinking, like, if it's more like a portal.

Jack: Like that.

Cristina: Yes, like the house.

Jack: The entrance at the house was just what looked like a seance room, as referred to like a sandro. Yeah, but it was just an entrance.

Cristina: Entrance, but it wasn't. It was just a room.

Jack: No, it was an entrance, but I guess it was literally an entrance, just not for us. Yes, but it was an entrance. This is not an incorrect terminology. You're not. Don't discredit the word entrance. It is an entrance. He's not wrong. He didn't write it. And you're over here correcting him. No, that is the right word. It's an entrance.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We just got a question. What kind of an entrance? And we have an example of an entrance at the center of literally a maze.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Very similar scenario. The Minotaur, what we're familiar with, is at the center of the maze. It's weird that the Toro Boban isn't the one at the center of the maze and that people never see the entrance. So we don't know about the Tora Boban. People have made it to the entrance because they see the Minotaur. It's easier, it seems, to evade the Toro Boban.

Cristina: But he's the one probably eating them.

Jack: The Toro boban.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah, he's definitely the one killing them out there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then anybody who makes it all the way to the Minotaur, you then have a fight in your hands that you're probably not gonna win. And he's about to eat too.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: These two creatures got fused into one and lost a history. Never before have I seen this. The Toro Boban would roam the maze. Hunting the prey is the very next line.

Cristina: Yeah, that sounds like what we thought. Yep. Yep.

Jack: Although that's been attributed to the Minotaur. That is incorrect. The animalistic one is the one roaming those halls, those corridors, while the one most man like stands dead center, waiting casually.

Cristina: Yeah, but even if you make it to that entrance, quote unquote, you're not really getting out. Even if you can pass him, because that's not the actual way.

Jack: No. They're not protecting an exit.

Cristina: No.

Jack: You're meant to die there.

Cristina: Yes. If you made it there, you go the wrong way.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. There's probably a way out. It's just not that way. And that is a way in for something else. Yeah, you're not going to that side. If you can't, I won't let you. I'm only here to let them in, not you out.

Cristina: I mean, maybe you can come back in that way after he's done with you.

Jack: Now, based on the pattern we're looking at, there's some things we could question here. If that is an entrance, that means that there is another exit. Because the entrance is where the Minotaur is. The exit must be elsewhere. The exit to the maze must be elsewhere because the Minotaur is blocking the entrance.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: That is the entrance, not the exit. It's specifically labeled as the entrance. And we know what kind of interest they're referring to. Yes, because we have another example of it. But how do we know more about the Minotaur than we do about the Torah Boban? The people telling the story were never human. They must have originated the narrative. It's Jinn or something coming through. And they're most likely to see the Minotaur on the way in.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Then the Toro Boban roaming the halls. They would never come across. He's at the door. He's the first thing you see when you come through the Minotaur.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's no reason you would see the Torah Boban unless you stumbled into him writing these stories.

Cristina: Are community communicating with ghost. Question.

Jack: Not ghost with Jin.

Cristina: Yeah, but it's like the same to those people.

Jack: Not if they came through.

Cristina: Like they have physical bodies when they come through.

Jack: Like all of the Djinn that come through, you see? So whatever's coming through that becomes physical. Just like the Jinn that interact in all these other groups, it's a physical thing. Those individuals then come in contact with perhaps the individuals telling these stories.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And inform them about what they saw. And 99 times out of a hundred, the only thing you saw there was Minotaur.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because the other one is roaming the halls.

Cristina: Yes. To kill humans, not to kill.

Jack: To kill the punished.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: So they're not hunting Djinns or. None. They're just interested in the humans.

Jack: Yes. They're being fed to do their job. Interesting. Two outcast brothers put in this maze, and they're gonna be fed. It's not really outcast if they're kind of down with it and performing almost a duty. It becomes almost like they were made for this purpose because the maze was made for this purpose. And then your only thing was to put them there. These are op. You could use these for a lot of things, but you put them in the maze and have one Roaming the halls. And the other one guarding, quote, the entrance, unquote.

Cristina: Yes. Like this. This was gonna happen whether that lady was involved or not.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Somebody's being punished.

Jack: But, like, I don't think so. I think that's bullshit story.

Cristina: Oh, you think that part is?

Jack: I think that. Yeah, I think that's all fake narrative.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah, Yeah.

Jack: I think it was just ways to explain it by people who didn't know what was going on.

Cristina: Yeah, like the other story with the.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Queen that turned into Snake.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. It's just, you know, warped stories, People trying to comprehend crap. So the Toro Boban is something lost to history, something lost in text. Now, it's mentioned in passing and here and there, casually, very hard to find. But if you look hard enough, it shows up. The Toro Boban called Asterion, and the Minotaur called Asterias, they were named to begin with. Their names were also lost. It's very hard to find their names.

Cristina: Their names are very similar to each other.

Jack: Yes. So things to note about this. We've come across mazes, as we know, and they kind of resemble the scenario.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And even if there's no particular maze structure in Clinton Road other than. And it's not even a maze, more than just some weird private area with entrance and exits that we're unfamiliar with, that's not maze. Like, there's probably a straight shot there. We just don't know how to get there. But the. The underground and the whole setup on top where you could, like, literally walk down this way and then pop up over there. But there is a town there that's like a maze, which is Paradise.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: And you go into paradise and the roads start changing on you and the exits start changing on you. Interesting. There's a maze there too. Sort of.

Cristina: Sort of. Yeah.

Jack: New modern age maze. But we go way far back. There's literally a labyrinth. We go in the middle between these two points, we have a house that's weird and confusing. And we jump a little more further up and we have a town that's equally confusing. So it's the same layout. Presumably at the center of paradise, there must be what? A gate in the center of Paradise. Two different instances are hinting towards the third one.

Cristina: Have you looked up stories about Paradise?

Jack: That is the next goal for sure. Because now we have a point of reference.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now we have a way to look at it other than it's a town. What stories do people know about the town? Like, people don't know things. No, we need reference.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: And now we have perspective, we can start looking. Is there anything weird that's ever happened at the center of paradise? Has anybody seen anything like this or that?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: In paradise?

Cristina: Probably. Then we call it the Jersey Devil. Who knows?

Jack: Yes. Any possibility? Yes, exactly. Something is at the center of paradise. Maybe we were looking in the wrong locations. And where we should have been looking all along was the maze. Paradise. This is my point. We have no idea how to. The place is too big. There's too much crap there. Perspective.

Cristina: Too much going on.

Jack: Too much perspective is so important. We have to get informed elsewhere and then come back. There's some unrelated nonsense. Since it totally turned out related.

Cristina: Yes. Was that your goal?

Jack: No, no. I'm just getting information from any. Again, anything that relates to any of the groups or any of the things could hint.

Cristina: Okay, so something reminds you of this and then you went on this hunt.

Jack: Yeah. No. Not reminded me of this per se, but I'm just looking at things and creatures and I stumble upon the thing and you know, chase random threads and see where they go. If nothing, go over there. I tell you, the ones that do connect, there's a bunch of crap that doesn't. If it's interesting enough, I don't care. If it doesn't, I'll tell you anyways.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But amazing. I think there's something at the center of paradise.

Cristina: Yes. And we gotta find it. Yep.

Jack: If anything, it has to be some sort of a portal because we're two for two.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The distinct role of the brothers and how the more humanoid of the two would stay at the entrance is of note. That's definitely a welcome party. Not just blocking somebody from the maze, getting to the door and going through some private location you shouldn't be heading to. Like the hidden gate at the seance room. It's almost like you're trying to prevent people going through to the other side. You just want things to come through onto this side.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And putting the more human of the two there instead of having the more human of the two walking the halls, you're. It's a welcome party. You have somebody who could, like, I can guide you to where you need to go.

Cristina: Yes, Guide them. Yes.

Jack: Instead of a freaking half monstrous bull looking thing that you're like. That looks like the kinds of crap we kill on my end.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, you want something humanoid and like, oh, yeah, I'm here to point.

Cristina: The way or something. Yes.

Jack: Then again, I'm sure he's the welcome party and kind of sets you up for My brother is going to guide you. He's my brother. You're safe. Instead of the brother, be the one who show up. The Toro Boban. You're like, oh, my God, Did I go through the wrong door? Okay, so have the humanoid one speak to you and be looking like a human. And then the Toro Boban that roams the halls would escort you to the actual door that it's familiar with. How to get to.

Cristina: I don't know. I think they avoid him completely because there is no stories of the other guy because the other guy's just murdering.

Jack: Fair enough. Right? They would have mentioned them, too. Yes. You're totally right. They're not seeing him at all. Meaning the. The Minotaur actually leaves its post.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because at the end of the day, nobody's getting that far.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And one trip isn't gonna suddenly allow the person to just get to the door.

Cristina: Yep. The only one anyone sees is the Minnow Tower.

Jack: And anybody who maybe the Torah Boban is kind of like my bro, you know, My brother's kind of off edge, so you stay with me. I'll tell him you're good, and we'll go to the door, and you can exit. But if you come across my brother.

Cristina: Without me, maybe that's why he's so buff, in case he has to fight off the brother. Although they never mention it.

Jack: They don't mention it? No.

Cristina: They work together according to the avoiding or. Yeah. They just stay away from each other. Okay.

Jack: It could be that they stay away from each other, but, I mean, I guess it could be. There's no mention they do. Well, no. They both eat, and they both stop anything from getting to that door.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they're sharing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So I'm assuming they're still cool with each other. Maybe the Toro Bowman is just way more aggressive, and he's like, keep all that other away from me. I don't want to. I don't want any part of this.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: While the. The Minotaurs is, you know, more humanoid. I'm more accepted. He is definitely way more rejected than I am.

Cristina: Yes. But he's not a social creature, either, at least in the descriptions I think you gave of him.

Jack: Yeah. Isolated. Both of them are.

Cristina: Yeah. So he's just doing his job. I think it's not to socialize or anything.

Jack: Just like in both of their cases, they're just doing their jobs. Yeah. It just so happens to be that one is at the door and probably the escort to the exit.

Cristina: Yeah. That's it.

Jack: Follow me. And I'LL get you out at the end. Interesting, right? Very. Again, so much of this lost to repeat iteration. Yeah, it just gets lost in translation. The area referred to as the entrance being the center of the labyrinth, opposed to being the entrance being on the outer edges, is very informative. That's definitely a way in from somewhere else. And we have examples which heavily enlightened that this is existing at the center of paradise, at least. Most likely.

Cristina: Most likely.

Jack: Even if not, it seems most likely the experimentation that Poseidon performed as to result in the Babylons to begin with. So he was already creating weird things, made this chimera and then use this chimera to make a double chimera.

Cristina: Yeah, to make a few more, you.

Jack: Know, chimera twice removed. I made that thing and I'm gonna use that thing to make something else. Merge this cool other thing with a human.

Cristina: Which he probably has other experiments too.

Jack: Yes. Based on this, there must be a plethora of experiments that are hard to find that Poseidon has performed. Weird.

Cristina: That's very weird because, like, the. The unicorns aren't theirs. Not the unicorns. The. Yeah, the unicorns aren't theirs. And they thought that was weird about the unicorns. But, like, there's creatures in Greek that would remind you of the unicorns. Like, you would think those are animals from there.

Jack: Well, I have a reason why they would think it's weird. The Minotaur and the toro boban don't seem to have weird supernatural powers.

Cristina: Okay. Yes. Because the unicorn could fly.

Jack: The unicorn can just levitate and they're like, how the h*** did you do that?

Cristina: Yeah. Because if they do have unicorns from there as well, they wouldn't be. They would hover. They would just. They would be more horse like.

Jack: Yes. They would have other things going on. The best they keep in mind. Keep in mind that they have no version of this. Their imitation of a unicorn is a Pegasus. It's still not powers. It's a physical thing. You gave it wings so it could fly. Yeah, because theirs doesn't have wings and can just take off into the sky. And you still have no idea.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So we're looking at the Greek can make chimera. But the Alicians don't need to waste their time merging two animals. They could just take a random animal and jacket.

Cristina: Don't know what they did. Don't know how it's possible.

Jack: But also, we do know how it's possible because the Greek have no idea how the h*** the stones were being made. They were referring them they were just referencing always different, different versions of adrenochrome. They're drowning in that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: While the Elysians figured out the stone that they could just use to make the unicorn.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: Logic. There's. Their methods are so different, and they can result in kind of sort of the same things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But through vastly different methods. These are two very, extremely different sciences taking place. Interesting, because we have a third completely different science in modern day.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So we're looking at. The Greek had one version of science that does not reflect anything the Elicians did or anything we've ever done. Then the Elysians have some form of science that doesn't reflect anything we've ever done or anything the Greek have ever done. And we have a version of science that doesn't reflect anything the Greek ever did or anything the Alicians ever did.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Science is not one way.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There are roads to take, and some people find other ways. And this is a great example of the building stones we know about. The Elysians never consumed adrenochrome, as far as we can tell. But avoiding that killed quite a lot of people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: While the Greek didn't have to kill mass people. They would just have to continuously, you know, kill one here, kill one there to consume the adrenochrome. But they have to remain hooked up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So in order to not be hooked, you got to take a lot of life.

Cristina: That's tricky. There's life. Either way, you're losing life, no matter.

Jack: Losing life no matter what. Interesting. Interesting. Two vastly different sciences. And it makes total logic how you got the stone, and the stone breaks the laws of nature, so a unicorn becomes possible. You over here aren't breaking the laws of nature. You have no idea how the h*** they did that. So you're just altering your physical makeup through literal chemicals. And so in the same kind of way, you could do that. Something else.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Alter the physical makeup at birth and then you got some other thing. Totally different sciences, totally different products. It's awesome that they line up in logical kind of ways, but. Yeah, it's weird. Weird. The unicorn thing versus the Pegasus thing. The different sciences, the methods they took to get there. Fascinating man. Poseidon. Creating chimeras is weird. It's a hat that's not mentioned more. But again, we're talking about real obscure lost information.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And it's just fascinating that he. He kind of. We haven't heard of experiments on experiments.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess.

Jack: Yeah. But it would make sense if you can't just do it the first time with a stone. You have to won't A plus B equals C. Then I use C plus D, so on and so forth. Because it's literal, more practical. As opposed to just breaking laws of physics and nature. And as a result of all of this crap, the Tora Bobon gets lost to history and fused in literature to the Minotaur. Ultimately making it look like they've been one all along when they weren't. There's a weird turn.

Cristina: There's gotta be more creatures.

Jack: More double triple, quadruple experiments going on.

Cristina: Yeah. Just like the they when they made the Nagas. They made a bunch of Naga variations of them.

Jack: Trying to get to. But we didn't see see Keto experiment on an existing Naga.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Or an existing Grogan, which isn't a Naga. Just trying to. But he didn't succeed in making it to the way that he would call a Naga. So he made Medusa. And then like this is weak. He didn't work on Medusa's DNA again. He started again from scratch.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: While Poseidon is leveled up, bro. He understood. Nah, just work on the thing already. Use that.

Cristina: I like what I made, but I want to get. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: I want to make it better. So I'm not going to start from scratch. I'm improve on the model.

Cristina: Fascinating scientist.

Jack: It seems he would be. But he is amongst the group. And here is just a different visual of the exact same duo. Looking a little more, you know, casual next to each other. No longer in the same image, but a more accurate depiction of what you'd look at.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Still with the red eyes.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Pretty horrifying.

Jack: Both quite aggressive and menacing looking. Those features kind of line up ultimately. But yeah, when you look at it, it really is just a.

Cristina: They look like they're related.

Jack: They totally do. They totally do. Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah. You could think that was there. It's werewolf version if that was a thing.

Jack: Yep. But you end up with this result of like these two born at the same time. Twin brothers. Both isolated individuals. Highly aggressive, ginormous, 7 to 10ft tall individuals. But looking at this creature has informed us on Paradise Road that leads to the town of Paradise. Yes. Now this random thing aimed because the maze was what mattered here. Yeah. We learned about a cool other experiment. Dope. Pretty awesome that we found some kind of real hidden knowledge. But all of this was just entertainment purposes. Because the knowledge we should all be taking from here is another maze with another gate at the center.

Cristina: Has to be.

Jack: And we have a third maze that we've never looked at because we thought it was just, you know, the jumbled nature of the shadow realm. But that doesn't make sense. The veil wouldn't be so thin there. That's a place meant to channel an entrance.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We just gotta find the entrance. Which would be harder to find the closer to the center you get.

Cristina: Presumably, for sure, because it would be.

Jack: More, I don't know, more jumbled, harder to get the closer you get. You take a wrong turn, you might find your way all the way to the beginning again.

Cristina: Yeah. Yes. I think we found something. Or we're gonna find something. I think we're gonna find something.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting. Anyways, that's what I have, the Minotaur, which is not one individual, but rather the Minotaur and the Toro Boban both got crushed into one word, Minotaur. But Minotaur is only one individual. Asterias, the bipedal, one of the two.

Cristina: The other one being the quadrip.

Jack: Asterion. Asterias is the Mena, the minotaur, and Asterion is the quadruped.

Cristina: Okay, beautiful.

Jack: Anyways, anybody who has any input, any information, if you got enlightened. Yeah. If you found that interesting, if you concluded something we didn't think about that's hidden in this data we went through, tell us, message us, communicate with us, hit us up on our socials at just convopod on X, on Facebook, on Instagram, on Tick tock, wherever the h*** you want, find us.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yeah. And word of the mouth, talk to people. Tell them, not just you hit us up, but you tell people to come and listen. Especially people who like Greek mythology or people who like any kind of mythology or supernatural things. Or weird things.

Cristina: Or weird things. Yeah.

Jack: It's all here.

Cristina: It's all there.

Jack: We do pretty fringy stuff.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks, bro. Listening. Bye.

Jack: Foreign.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

August 31, 2024

Rambling 287: Lamia

August 31, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who is the Greek Mistress Lamia? What is the narrative surrounding her death? What is the truth surrounding her death? The duo unpack the mythology of an interesting creature known as Lamia, a mistress of a Greek God and what really unfolded with their affair.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Greek Mythology
Naga
Romantic Jealousy
Hera
Snake Pits
Shapeshifting
Necromancers
Jesus Christ

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcription

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in five, four.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today we have some interesting things to learn look into. But first, as of late, we've been catching people up because of our jumping around. Anybody who is used to us following a giant cohesive narrative that we've been following for like two years isn't used to the old way. We were doing things of just casually picking things that kind of sort of related to this bigger theme that we didn't know existed. But we were just hunting monsters and figuring out what was going on. Except after a long enough deep dive into what we thought was an unrelated series of things that began with a creature, the unicorn, slowly spiraled into. Every creature seems to be related to this thing one way or another.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And initially we thought a lot of it had to do with the Elysians. When we started looking into the Elysians, but before then, we knew things about the shadow realm and many creatures who were in there. So we were hunting things like that. But before we knew about the shadow Realm, we were also just hunting creatures, trying to find out what the f*** these things are. We thought some of them are aliens. We thought some of them were interdimensional things. And weirdly enough, both of those things are kind of the same.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess so. Yeah.

Jack: You know, we knew this Chupacara was like a God like thing. And we thought it came from space looking for things. But no, it did come from elsewhere. But the elsewhere wasn't space. The elsewhere was a different realm.

Cristina: I don't know if you know anything that actually has come from space.

Jack: No, we know things that have gone out into space.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But it seems that everything we thought came from space we have proven with texts that mentioned it before we even looked up. And it's like, okay, okay, you guys knew about all these things ahead of time. So I was in trying to dig deeper into the Clinton Road thing that we've been looking at. We hit some walls because we gotta find things for this. We gotta figure out what's happening in the bottom of the castle. It's been sealed off. It clearly has a way in and out in a location that is undisclosed to the public because it's been kept absolutely secret with, you know, official reasons or whatnot.

Cristina: Whatnot.

Jack: But the castle it was on was Destroyed. So the entrance there is gone and the exit have been blocked and built around, so we don't know where they exist in the five towns that they're spread into. And then somewhere in this giant property, there could be a random manhole cover that's covered by leaves and happens to be in the woods. And that's the only way in or out of this f******. Like, who the h*** knows?

Cristina: It just sounds so suspicious. It just sounds like that lady with the house that makes it into a puzzle that ends up being a portal for ghosts and whatever.

Jack: Except she wasn't trying to hide anything that was just out there. So why were these people trying to hide it? What is the difference? And this is more recent than the house, too, so what is the point? And, like, I've tried to look. Like I said, the hardest thing about this was gonna be the castle. So we visited the castle.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But all it did was lead us to walls. So because we hit these walls and there's nowhere else to go. Look elsewhere. Maybe we'll get informed.

Cristina: Right, okay.

Jack: So we've gotten informed in the past just by looking at other places. We found the Elysians, and that informed a bunch of s***. We found the Shadow Realm. That informed a bunch of s***. Things that we thought were unrelated. So as I'm looking through random crap, looking through old notes, I come across as, you know, the fact that Zeus was kind of pretty successful at creating Nahaz.

Cristina: Okay, yeah.

Jack: Not Naha's Naga. Nahaz was a specific. Naga is the one from the Garden of Eden's research team. Nahaz is the one we call the Serpent. But so we know that he successfully made a Naga, and we know that he got his Naga to successfully make some that worked and some that didn't, like Medusai and her sisters and crap like that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yes, okay. But still have kind of OP abilities that are kind of sort of fairy like. And in looking at that, it came to my mind that, wait, this is the first instance of more than one, more than two, Many, Several. And so I'm like, okay, if you figured it out, you didn't also just stop. Those just happened to be the main narratives, right? The ones that are important because you figured it out, you want to be able to replicate it, and holy s***. That I immediately find something. I was like, there must be more. Just logically speaking, if nobody else could figure it out, the guy who did is probably going to mass produce them. That's the advantage right there.

Cristina: You're OP now he has a Naga army.

Jack: He Would have to. Right. He would have to build. I mean, not a Naga army, but he would have to make multiple. Logically speaking. And I stumble upon a thing called Lamia. L A M I A Lamia. And Lamia is described as a half woman, half serpent. But Lamia is not Medusa or the other Groguns. And Lamia is not Glycon. And Lamia is none of these things.

Cristina: She's from the same area.

Jack: She's Greek.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: She's Greek, specifically related to Zeus. Oh, weird. So I was like, okay, this is odd. But like, we can easily find it now because. Yeah, you had more than one and you instructed something to make it. Just because we only stumbled upon the three and didn't dig deeper, doesn't there isn't more? Yes, but there's definitely more. She's not even the only one I found.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But she's the most interesting one I found. So, as we said, she was originally mentioned in Greek mythology. And very specifically, the same thing that shows up again is half woman, half serpent. Half woman, half serpent. Very, very directly. It seems like Zeus wants Kido to continue making things that are half and half, not fully one. Or Kido is obsessed with not actually succeeding and going halfway because he wants to be the powerful one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I don't know the point of why they're always half and half. If a Naga is not. Anaga is not. Yeah, Anaga is a full fairy serpent.

Cristina: Serpent thing.

Jack: Yeah, absolutely. 100% a serpent.

Cristina: For some reason, he only makes halves and halves.

Jack: All of them are. Now they're really overpowered to the point that they are more OP than a bunch of the s***. Alicians didn't like some of this crap because of how OP it is. Meaning they felt, you know, some of these things were a problem to some degree, but they weren't. Naga, is it because it's impossible to actually go all the way? But no, because we know of people who've accomplished it.

Cristina: Yeah. So did they do it on purpose? And what was the purpose?

Jack: What is ultimately the purpose? So I dive into the story to just what do the Greek have to say about this? What is the main narrative about Lamia? So here we go. First of all, Lamia was the queen of Libya according to the Greeks.

Cristina: What?

Jack: She was the queen of Libya. Okay, but weird that the queen of Libya is a half serpent, half a woman. But whatever. The Greek had weird stories to tell.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, everything was odd. Now, where this became really interesting to me is the fact that she was in love and loved by Zeus.

Cristina: Okay, yeah. Well, she always have snakes, though. Is that part of her story? Okay.

Jack: She's always been.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Always been half serpent. And Zeus is into serpents, I guess.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And upon finding out that Zeus was having an affair with her, Hera becomes jealous and curses Lamia to lose her children.

Cristina: Oh, hush. Okay.

Jack: And transforms her into a monster who would devour the children of others.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Whoa.

Jack: Hardcore.

Cristina: Hardcore.

Jack: So let's unpack this for a bit. Zeus loves a half serpent lady, but I guess he's a God and he f**** random s***. Like, whatever, dude, you're God. What is a human to you? You're a God.

Cristina: He's with someone who is not cool with.

Jack: He's someone who's not cool with that. But he's always cheating on her. All his children are from different women. And he has, like, 100.

Cristina: Yes. But does she get her revenge like this to every single lady?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Like, how does.

Jack: Hera is. Hera is known as a total b****.

Cristina: He's also a monster. That's okay. With the reaction. Her reaction. Whatever he does. Because he's not getting hurt. It's just the people he's with getting hurt, and he's not feeling that well.

Jack: The logic goes as follows. He loves one person deeply, and that's Hera. He loves other people. Not deeply. He loves to love. It's the idea of, you can truly be in love with one person and love many other people who you're not in love with. Yeah, you want to be romantic, and, yeah, you want to f*** and you want to have. But there's one person who you are committed to.

Cristina: But do you not feel bad for these people that are suffering?

Jack: Well, they know they are also involved. They are not an uninformed party.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In all of these cases, they are the informed party. Everybody's informed.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Zeus is not a liar.

Cristina: There's a chance that you'll die or you'll have to kill your loved ones to be with me. That's. That's tough.

Jack: No, I'm sure all of these God women are like, I could take. Oh, I guarantee you, every single one of them. The gods are full of themselves.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Every single one is like, I could take her. It's not a problem. But Zeus has always been committed to Hera. And he's like, I'm not gonna say to my wife, she said, you banned, so you banned.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But Hera is fine until she's not.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, she knows. And then I guess she just doesn't want to see it ultimately just like, don't bring it around me. Don't bring it around me. You come home to me and you don't bring any of them b****** around me. And when she sees them b******, them b****** gotta die or become other s*** or whatever the f*** she does.

Cristina: Just live a miserable, miserable life.

Jack: Yes. But to his defense, he 100% seems absolutely committed to Hera, because that's who he doesn't violate. She's like, I gotta kill this person. He's like, s***, I guess you gotta kill this b****. And it's like, d***, bro. Okay, you at least committed, okay? And like, I respect that. I respect the guy who can stay committed. And realistically, yeah, you love other people. Realistically, but you're not going to betray who you're in love with, which is Hera. Great important detail because of where this is going to go.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: That was. That was not without purpose. That rant was absolutely within reason. All right, so, yeah, Hera kind of notorious for tossing people into weird situations, killing them, turning into other s***, ranking them, sending them into other f****** planes of existence.

Cristina: Do you know what kind of monster she turned her into? Like, what does she look like?

Jack: He. She made her existing form feral. She was a woman, and now that woman became a monster based on that woman. Oh, so it's just she became a feral monster. She was still a woman snake thing, but now she was a snake woman. She wasn't before she was a woman snake. Now she's a snake woman, if that makes sense.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And like, yes, that's the priority right there. She's like, okay, now you're primarily the serpent. Enjoy killing all the children you would love.

Cristina: Harsh. Okay?

Jack: Hardcore.

Cristina: Hardcore.

Jack: But if she knew, then she opted into the possibility. That's more on her for thinking she could step into number one spot. And it's like, we all know where Zeus stands, and it's by Hera.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: There's not a soul who's ever questioned if Zeus is going to turn on her. He's not going to. Why would he? Which means you opted into the situation to some degree. You weren't aware of what extent or what move. But you know, if you get busted, you. You f*****. And so you did, and I f*****. Okay, now let's break apart her appearance a little. Described as having the upper body of a beautiful woman and the lower body of a serpent. Right, let's dive into a little more detail. One thing that I found, which, again, as I say it, the image as I keep Moving forward, the image is going to build itself. She has the ability to shapeshift.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that's an important little detail right.

Cristina: There because that's always involved.

Jack: That's a clever little tidbit. Oftentimes into either a pure woman or a pure serpent. Those seem to be her main go to. She can shapeshift into other things. But when she's in her pure woman form, after her interactions with Hera, she lures men in this woman form, and usually men with children, intentionally trying to get to the children and eat them.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: And when she's in a pure serpent form, she uses that to blend into nature where there would already be children.

Cristina: She's actually. Oh, my gosh. That's horrifying.

Jack: Yeah. She became. It's not just like, you're gonna be a thing. And it's like, yeah, I'm gonna go live my life as the same s***. I am just waiting. No. Hera f***** this lady.

Cristina: Now she hungers for children.

Jack: Now she hungers for children.

Cristina: Oh. Oh.

Jack: Weird, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Lamia, the lady who will eat children. But again, there's some patterns that are forming. I don't know if you're spotting them as I'm going through this. Shapeshifters, children.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Let's dive into some of these behaviors. They are going to paint even stronger image. She usually appears at night. Succubus behavior right off the bat. And the fact that you're luring men. Odd.

Cristina: Odd.

Jack: Luring men at night.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Sounds like a succubus. As far as I know.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: Which is already a shadow realm creature. So luring men at night and using the darkness to confuse and more easily abduct. Very, very succubus. The only difference is succubus are kind of mermaid, like always by water and s***. It's most likely a succubus is a mermaid and a mermaid is a succubus. Maybe different variations of the same thing. And by the end of this episode, if we remember, we could address that because it's gonna make sense why we would have to compare those things if we remember to.

Cristina: Okay, so you saying she didn't like magically turn her into a feral being. Now she is like the feral version of whatever creature she was. Like adrenochrome. Maybe she was given adrenochrome and killed and now she's after that or something like.

Jack: It's complicated. No, she was definitely a serpent woman.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There are serpent women? Yes, according to the Greek myths.

Cristina: But now she's a feral serpent.

Jack: Yes. But I don't think she was the non feral version of something that's inherently feral.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think there are just, according to the Greek myths, serpent people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Who are just normal people. And then there's weird other anomalies like the Gorgons and s*** like that. Or the Grogans. It's either Grogan or Gorgon. I don't f****** know. Medusa and her sisters and Keto, things like that. So those are weird artificial violent things. While Lamia didn't seem to be. It was just more of a literal person who happens to be of a specific race, maybe or something. It's not entirely clear. Yeah, there's actually very little information on this. This was a particularly difficult find, which is what made it more interesting because of the paths I had to take to get here. That informed quite a bit. But yeah, it looks like she was not some kind of weird thing. She was turned feral.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And there isn't a thing like that. As far as we know, that is specifically her kind of a creature that was a person. Or that she's the non feral version of something specific or race or something. It looks like she's just part of a race of people who happen to be. I don't know where the f*** the rest of her people are. There's no mention to that. Maybe you just made the weird serpent lady queen because she doesn't look like the rest of you. I don't really know the logic behind it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But she was just a normal person other than her half serpent part. Now, when in her serpent form, she is known for consuming the children. When in her woman form, she is known for luring men. And when they don't have children, she kills the man.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Then there is little detail about what happens to the man that might inform what happens to the children. Because it's always described as eating. But when in her woman form, she is known for luring men. And when they don't have children, she kills the man and drinks her blood.

Cristina: Of course.

Jack: Of course. Very specific behavior. Now we gotta address how Hera accomplished this. Exactly.

Cristina: That's what I'm wondering. She turned her into.

Jack: Well, that's the end of the story. According to the the narrative of the Greek myth that is most promoted based on this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There's no more information right after that. That's where it ends. These are the events that took place. So what the h*** did Hera do?

Cristina: She turned her into. I don't know, a shadow realm creature.

Jack: Somehow How? The. She obviously drowned her in adrenochrome or some s***. Force fed her some s***. But how had she know? I mean, they're always f****** around with adrenochrome. But Hera knows.

Cristina: Why not?

Jack: Why would she?

Cristina: I don't know, but it depends. Like, what happens to these other women that she tortured?

Jack: Nothing like this.

Cristina: Nothing like this.

Jack: No, I would have. I would have talked about it. Obviously. Okay, so no, this is the case.

Cristina: This is the one case that happens.

Jack: At least this way. Yes, I looked at the other women. No, this is the one.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: So what the f*** happened? So she finds the lady and then what? You force fed her a dream? Where the f*** did you get a dr? How do you know adrenochrome was a thing? Even if you heard him talk about adrenochrome, how do you know specifically how to get it, how to make it? Hera knows a little something.

Cristina: Has to know something. Part of the team.

Jack: One of the gods, you would think, right? Yeah, but then who's on her side? Everybody's on Zeus side. Yeah, and Zeus sides with Hera. But Zeus isn't gonna tell his homies. Go, obey Hera. No, in fact, his homies tend to not like Hera a lot.

Cristina: Yeah. So she was snooping around somebody.

Jack: They would have caught her. Bro, we're talking about the most secure facilities in existence.

Cristina: There's no way she just stumbles upon this either.

Jack: Exactly the problem. There's also no way she entered these facilities. There's no way. Not in a billion trillion years. Considering specifically who she is and how she's known to behave, doubtful they would have let her anywhere near one of their labs. 100 guarantee you she didn't end it. I looked just to confirm the fact. Like, did she? There's no narrative that talks about her entering spaces relative to this. If there is, she was so f****** sneaky that nothing was registered ever. And we're talking about quite advanced facilities. She would have been busted.

Cristina: But how did she do this?

Jack: Then it has to be outside of the facility.

Cristina: How?

Jack: How did she accomplish turning Lamia into a feral person?

Cristina: How do you think?

Jack: Well, I don't know my conclusion, my thought is that perhaps she caught her and force fed it to her. But then the question is, how did she acquire? How would Hera stumble upon adrenochrome? What paths could she take? Who do we know that she could have been in contact with? There's so little about this interaction.

Cristina: And anyone she knows because we don't know anyone that talks about that's involved in adrenochrome.

Jack: We know many who are involved in adrenochrome. What do you mean?

Cristina: But, like, in the Greek gods. Any of them.

Jack: All of them have touched it one way or another. They literally discovered ambrosia. They have ichor in their position. And they have nectar, which a bunch of them consume specifically because they couldn't figure out how to do it without it, the way that the Elysians did with the stones and other methods. Okay, so they definitely had access to it. But why would she? And how would she.

Cristina: But why wouldn't she? Like she's one of them.

Jack: No, she's not.

Cristina: She's not.

Jack: She's the wife of Zeus. But she's not a scientist. She's just the wife of Zeus. And a particularly wild gun that they're not gonna let into their facilities, destroy all their s***.

Cristina: Mm. She knows enough. I don't know. It doesn't. It feels weird that she would just know how to do this.

Jack: We're missing the middle part, where somehow she did, in fact, acquire adrenochrome and then force fed it to this lady or something. What we know is that she knows Zeus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that this lady became some feral thing. And everything in the middle described is obviously adrenochrome related, but we also know she had no interaction with any other scientists in the facility, and that none of them like her.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And there's no mention. Not one. Which it would have. We found threads of the randomest s***. Not one mention of her hanging out or associating with any of these things.

Cristina: But she knows, Deuce. And he knows the information.

Jack: Yes. He's also not going to tell the lady, who is constantly having mood swings and having weird power moments.

Cristina: He doesn't have, like, the work at home.

Jack: And I assure you he doesn't, considering that it's the same work that the Elysians would like to confiscate. You're going to keep it in the most secure place, away from where they can easily come and take it from you. They're kind of op. You're going to take your work home, knowing how this s*** could just go down. Yeah, and they never did. Which means you didn't take the work home. Or you did take it home, and for whatever reason, they were just like, oh, let it go. And then this lady's op, that doesn't work out.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They're too thorough. Deletions are mechanically thorough. It's computers at this point.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So he never took the work home. She Never entered the lab. His workers don't like her. And she still managed to turn the lady into obviously speaking an adrenochrome rampant creature. Who needs more adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Weird. And I don't know. So we know Hera has banished many women different ways. Never this way. And she is again hated by everybody. Nobody sides with her. They all side with Zeus. Although Zeus is a ruthless maniac himself. The loyalty or fear, one or the other. But then Hera behaves this way. It's definitely not the fear. Loyalty. They must just like him more. Yeah, but then again he is creating these. He kind of just successful at doing some s***. It's impressive. So successful. For many years we thought he was just some background noise that was being ignored by the Alicia. And then we found out he was one of the few to accomplish some of these really complicated things that the rest of them failed at. Like creating successful Naga. Even if it took a bunch of s***** experiments to get there.

Cristina: But she's one of them. No, she. She wasn't made at all.

Jack: No, she was just already a person who existed like that. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There must be a race. There's other serpent people who are not anything weird.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Greek mythology is packed with serpent people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Some made like the Grogans. And some who were just born that way. Like Keto.

Cristina: But I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, neither do I. Interesting though, the fact that she had the ability to do this.

Cristina: Yes. Without any help. As far as anyone can tell, without.

Jack: Any help they have their kingdom. And she managed to get a hold of Lamia and somehow force feed Lamia or Tricker or something. And she then becomes this feral creature.

Cristina: That's ridiculous. I don't know. It feels like she needed help. But who would help her?

Jack: Okay, so then I will continue forward since trying to figure it out is a pointless endeavor. Now we've done appearance, we've done behavior. Now here's where we get into the weeds of the situation. We have to deep dive into the hard explain many different texts, primarily focusing on Homer and Apollonius. But there are six or seven different versions of different texts that are going to inform the story. There's a lot of cross referencing that piece this together. But again we're focusing on the texts from Homer and Apollonius. Although there are some details from other individuals here. Now we find the story plays out a little differently when we do look at their references. And the story begins with a lady called Khalees. So Khalees is the name of a woman with which Zeus was having an affair.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: One of the many. And is discovered by Hera. Now, very important to point out that in the Greek myth that is popular, Hera always knows that is explicitly mentioned. It's also explicitly mentioned in Apollonius's writing that she didn't know and she discovered Khalees.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Hence the anger in the first place.

Cristina: That makes changes.

Jack: Cheating on me, you piece of s***. Blah, blah, blah. What the f***? Imma smack that b**** up. You know, Instead of being angry at Zeus, you cheating piece of s***, now I'm gonna smack that b**** up. Khalees probably didn't even f****** know. Then again, he's Zeus. Khalees probably knew. Yeah, he probably knows. You know who Hera is. Come on, bro.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: They're the rulers. You knew he was sneaking around. You had it coming.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now details that matter without Zeus being aware. During Khaleesa's final visit, Hera uses Zeus guards and has Khalees royal guards killed. Then tosses Khalees alive into a snake pit to die.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Hmm?

Cristina: They just have a snake pit.

Jack: It's ancient Greece.

Cristina: I know. This is so crazy.

Jack: The snake pit consists of hundreds of snakes no larger than a human arm, according to Homer's texts. No, Hugh. Because my initial thought is you're gonna fuse with a f****** snake or something. I don't f****** know. Yeah, it's ancient Greek mythology because this girl Khalees is not a serpent woman. Let me point that out. Apollonius says beautiful woman, pointing out that she has walked a long time because her legs were visibly muscular.

Cristina: She's human, pure human.

Jack: Khalees was pure human, while Lamia was not. Lamia is bottom half serpent. But Apollonius doesn't agree with this narrative. Apollonia says, no, that was a woman. He was having an affair with a normal human woman probably.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And thus makes more sense that she was the queen of a civilization of normal human people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And definitely there's no such thing as normal born f****** earthling.

Cristina: Are you talking about the same person?

Jack: Yes, this is the same story. Oh, this is them all talking about the same.

Cristina: One of them that we already talked. Yes.

Jack: The Greek myth and everything I'm telling you right now is their take on the same Greek myth.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: This is Homer, Apollonius and a few others talking about this very same story.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which puts Khalees, the queen of Libya, as just a human.

Cristina: Okay. Which makes more sense. All right.

Jack: Just a human lady called Khalees. And she had very muscular legs because she. Not muscular, but she had toned legs. Because she walked a very long time. She loved walking. And she had royal guards who Hera had her royal guards disposed of on.

Cristina: Her visit and then murdered her.

Jack: Threw her in a snake pit.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: To die. Didn't say she murdered her. She threw her in a snake pit to die, which presumably she died there, but that doesn't mean she murdered her. Snakes would have.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She definitely left her to die, though. And again, the snake pit consisted of small snakes for the most part. No snake is eating her whole. That would be impossible. To the length of an arm. You can't eat her. Okay, so interesting little details.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The pit was explicitly designed to starve people to death if the snakes don't squeeze them to death. Lovely ancient torture device. Lovely ancient torture device. The important part comes now. We shift our view now entirely to Homer because Homer had some interesting tidbits that didn't make it to any other body, anybody else's story, and didn't even focus on the family. It focused on a random guard.

Jack: Let us unpack. With the upper body of Khalees and the lower body of a serpent. A guard sees Khalees flee into the forest during the night.

Cristina: What did he see?

Jack: The guard sees the upper body of Khalees and the lower body of a serpent flee into the woods.

Cristina: Okay, so she somehow transformed in the snake pit.

Jack: But how?

Cristina: How? Yes, how? That's very strange. That's his part of the story.

Jack: That's his contribution. He gave us this tidbit that nobody else mentioned, but allows us a little more information than just somehow. A civilization of humans put a serpent woman in charge of them fearlessly. No, it makes more sense to put a Greek God. They look like humans who are just real op and huge.

Cristina: Yes. But he's trying to explain how she looks.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: I don't know. That's weird.

Jack: Got muddy quick, right?

Cristina: Yeah. Unless that wasn't like a normal snake pit.

Jack: It was absolutely a normal snake pit.

Cristina: Well, how would she walk away like that?

Jack: I don't know. She gets tossed in the pit. And then a few days later, a guard doing his rounds sees her upper body somehow bottom half. Serpents now fleeing the pit into the woods, into the forest, casually.

Cristina: She somehow transformed in the snake pit.

Jack: She somehow transformed in the snake pit? Yes. At least it seems that way.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: That is weird.

Jack: Very, very strange. So what do we believe happened here then?

Cristina: I don't. It wasn't a normal snake pit. Do you think it was a normal snake pit?

Jack: It was. I'll tell you what. The next line in his story. His correction of the story tells us, which will enlighten a little more. The next morning, after the guard reports what happened, they visit the pit and find Khaleesa's body still in the pit.

Cristina: So it was involved Shadow Realm.

Jack: It did not.

Cristina: It's a shadow Realm creature of her. But her dead body's there. So he did not see her dead body. No, but it was her. Is her adrenochrome version? I don't know.

Jack: Her body is still in there.

Cristina: Her body's still there.

Jack: She is f****** dead.

Cristina: Yes. But there's something out there.

Jack: Yes, for sure. There definitely is. A woman gets tossed into a snake pit where she fears for her death. The snake pit is filled with snakes who are going to attempt to eat the woman as she fears.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: For her life.

Cristina: Yes. This is adrenal chrome related. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. And a serpent woman gets seen leaving. And all Adrenochrome creatures seem to have the ability to shape shift.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So a serpent got adrenochrome and turned into saw. The only thing there that wasn't a serpent. Its intellect, as we know with adrenochrome, tends to skyrocket as long as you continue consuming it. And you have quite an amount here that's just persistently there. And so you kill her while she's screaming and panicking and she's being choked out in just fear in the most horrific of ways. And then this serpent or multiple. Who the h*** knows at this point? But at least one.

Cristina: At least one. Yeah.

Jack: Turns out into an adrenochrome creature. A hundred percent. Just fully converts.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then turns like, tries to imitate what she was, what she looks like. But again, it's fresh. It doesn't know what the f*** it's doing. It's just newly. A creature has to discover its abilities, has to figure out how it works and all these things. So it managed half of a transformation that kind of sort of looked like her.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then the pit is deep. Somehow still managed to get the f*** out of there. Like Adrenochrome creatures, you're thinking outside the box. You figured it out.

Cristina: But it's a feral Adrenochrome creature.

Jack: Why is it feral?

Cristina: Because it's eating children and stuff.

Jack: Eventually it will.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But actually, we haven't even gotten to any part in which this correction story even mentions anything like that.

Cristina: Oh, okay. I'm gonna guess that that's part of it.

Jack: That's. Yes, that's literally us using the parts we have to figure it out. Which is the logical conclusion, you got adrenochrome, but you didn't know you had to continue getting adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So you became feral, and you go out and once in a while you get adrenochrome without knowing you should keep getting adrenochromes. Now you're just a feral thing, casually killing s*** like a wet judge. Except the wet judge is on the other side. You've not died. You're a physical thing who just persistently exists.

Cristina: Yes. I forget that creatures here can do that, though. I always think it's like you have to die and then.

Jack: Yes, I know. Like I said, I'm present and remember the things.

Cristina: There's a lot of information to remember.

Jack: Oh, yeah. And I connect all of it, as would happen. But, yeah, that seems to be the case. This is all from Homer. This last part started, which makes sense days later. Yeah. So the creature with the upper body of Khalees and the lower body of a serpent is seen leaving into the forest in the night. While the guards making his rounds, he goes and he tells Hera and Zeus and the guards and everybody else like, this is what I saw. And then the next morning, they come and they see Khaleesa still there. Bro, like, you're out of your f****** mind.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You're seeing s***. That's impossible. Okay, she's still there, but there was something that fled into the woods.

Cristina: Yeah. That looked like a half lady, half snake.

Jack: Half lady, half snake. Interesting, though.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which then corrects the story of Lamia, because there's no such thing as a woman named Lamia. There's a creature named Lamia.

Cristina: And that's not his whole story, though. Homer's version.

Jack: That's the whole addition. The rest of it kind of falls in line with what was already discussed. That's his final input that didn't exist previously. Okay, so he finishes off fleshing out this narrative. Now, the name Khalees barely shows up anywhere. These two texts are the two of the only mentions with the addition of a couple of other texts. They don't mention her name. They mention the same story from different points and a little couple of details, but the name literally shows up and refers to the events of Lamia, but without mentioning Lamia, they mention specifically Khalees. And Khalees is not a serpent person, but in the Greek myth, the Lamia is a serpent person.

Cristina: Okay, so after her transformation, she. She's known as Lamia, but before her transformation, she's just a lady named.

Jack: And the narrative we get from the Greek is completely afterwards, but a merge of the events before.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So it looks like he was with a serpent woman, but where the were the serpent women born? What the.

Cristina: Yeah. So it was just a woman. He was just with some lady and horrible things happened to her. Because that's what happens when you're with him.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Yes. Yes, yes.

Cristina: That's crazy. That's an actual story of a not.

Jack: Non accidental adrenochrome situation.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Somebody gets tossed into a pit, fears for their life, happens to be with the thing that's gonna kill them. The thing is, it's very similar to the warwolves.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, we have stories like that, but there is usually in the wild happening. It's not around.

Jack: Yeah. Rarely is it like, again, the werewolves is a weird one.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's literally starved wolves because war scared all the other creatures away. And these guys are just dying, starved. And there's bodies everywhere. You eat what you can, bro, but fresh bodies from war.

Cristina: Oh, half dead, already scared out of their minds.

Jack: Some still alive and screaming because they got crap blown off and s***. Just cut and like, holy f***.

Cristina: Making werewolves.

Jack: Making werewolves. Oh, and this is very similar to that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You got a snake pit, which means really, really, really. Ultimately, if you look at the amount of serpent creatures that come out of India and the amount of serpent creatures that come out of Greece, the people who invented the f****** snake pits, suddenly the picture builds clearly. You're tossing people into snake pits casually as a prison sentence, as a death sentence.

Cristina: They probably have many stories of these human.

Jack: Maybe not. Maybe not many creatures stories, but. Oh, yeah, yeah. Not stories about pushing the people into thinking them turning, but definitely many, many, many, many serpent, human creatures.

Cristina: Yes, yes, yes, yes. Because I'm pretty sure they have the ones like the flying snake thing, that's just a witch who turns into a flying snake or whatever.

Jack: And it's like sketchy. No, there's something wrong going on here, buddy.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: But you see how interesting.

Cristina: Yes, I see. It makes sense, though.

Jack: Yeah, that is definitely it. At least it seems to be the case on how the events unrolled were like that.

Cristina: It makes way more sense than the original.

Jack: Yeah, for sure. The original is just a myth.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's why we can't take the myths at face value because they're usually bullshit. It's a bunch of warped, twisted stories trying to attach morality or some s***. It's like people aren't moral. They just do s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like the truth behind Homer and Apollonius takes on it are just People doing s***. And like her is kind of a loose cannon.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's no way she was going to be allowed into a lab. She's just tossing b****** into snake pits, bro. Come on.

Cristina: That is amazing.

Jack: I'm not going to let her into a lab and then she has a mood swing and thrashes hundreds years worth of research.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She would never be allowed into any s*** like that. But she does toss b****** in the snake pits casually.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's just some s***. Who knows how many of these women turned into this s***. Now, again, the story of the Lamia plays out this way, but all these other narratives are also real exaggerated and sort of fluffed up, so they don't show any kind of reality to them. Probably a bunch of these b****** got tossed into snake pits.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even if we don't have snake stories.

Cristina: Of them and their stories, they probably just. They died.

Jack: Yeah, they just f****** died. Yeah. It's like maybe she was too confident and like, not enough adrenochrome. So you didn't make a monster. Because I'm sure sometimes maybe you just fall, hit your head. No fear was felt.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah. Some people just die.

Jack: You just die. Yeah. And so not everybody became a creature. But this was a weird instance.

Cristina: She probably made a few creatures by accident.

Jack: I'm sure she made a couple. I'm sure. In India. I mean, we know based on just this new context.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We know snake pits have resulted in snake like creatures. Multiple. Many.

Cristina: Yeah. And there's got to be people who saw it happen. Like this random guard.

Jack: Yes. Which means we could probably assuming it happens after the time of record keeping. Somebody penned the paper, Right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now, what does it ultimately mean? We know that the serpent surrounding Khalees, while she was horrified, literally being squeezed to death, were exposed to the adrenochrome. One of the abilities of creatures and adrenochrome that most commonly is acquired is shape shifting. We see it talking everywhere, and the leftover body of Khalees assures us she was in fact, still physically there. So she's not who turned. She actually did die, which created the Adrenochrome. That was important. So one of the serpents morphed over the days. Interesting enough. It also gives us insight into the transformation, because nothing gets bigger or smaller other than Ophiomorphous, the artificial Naga created by Yaldabaoth in the Shadow Realm. That one can alter its scale, but we don't know of other Naga to alter their scale. So that's not a thing. And we don't know shape shifters to alter their scale. So he would have imitated her. It would have just been a tiny arm length snake with half of it being a tiny arm length Khalees.

Cristina: That's weird.

Jack: Yeah, but that's not what they saw come out. She was full size, maybe a little bigger than Khalees. That's the adrenochrome. It's morph increased its size dramatically, which tells us what happened. We don't have many takes on serpents being exposed to adrenochrome.

Cristina: No, but now definitely one of them.

Jack: Yes, definitely, yes.

Cristina: The whole victims of children and men.

Jack: On point. Yeah, on point. So it grew in size like 10 times, 20 times, 30 times. Whatever made it bigger than Khalees by default. And it did its best to imitate what it was seeing around it with one of its abilities. And it didn't fully maximize it, but it got enough to confuse the h*** out of a guard and then fled. It somehow climbed out of the pit, which is whole complicated thing, but again, weird abilities it has. And now it's got arms that it could imitate to have. And like odd, but. And it was days later it was in that pit hours and hours and hours exploring what it was now. Horrifying, you know, so it's. It probably turned into a million things in there trying to figure it out. Anomalous things, shapeless things that just don't make sense. Anybody who looked into that hole must have been mind looking in there.

Cristina: Except no one would because like why?

Jack: It's just dead people in snakes. Yeah, but that's what we got. The lamia is not a woman. The lamia is a serpent. Adrenochrome creature. The controlled version of a serpent. Adrenochrome creature. But that tells us what?

Cristina: There's more.

Jack: That there's more. And not just more. There are literally three other variations to this same creature. Not just more of the creature. This same one creature can have four different states based on what it is. It would have thalamia, which is it on adrenochrome, but that is not what is out there eating children casually. That is what left the pit. The lamia, the controlled thinking, logical, trying to figure itself out, highly intelligent version. That is not what's out there killing men and children.

Cristina: That's just a big snake.

Jack: Well, no, that would be the feral version.

Cristina: Yeah, but that's it.

Jack: Yeah, I guess it would, but it's not a snake. It stopped being a snake.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now it's an adrenochrome Thing. Yes, because the snake would not have been on adrenochrome. And in deep diving, trying to figure out how this all fits together, I successfully did in fact find them. And they all happen to be based around the same area, and they all happen to be based around the same time. So presumably either a s*** ton of these m************ were made, or we can track the specific one that ate Khalees. There is a creature called a dracana, and it's all the identical characteristics of the lamia, with details like it being more monstrous and feral, less human and more driven by primal bloodlust. And texts suggest its behaviors are similar to the lamia. Only difference in the excessive amount of aggression that it shows. The lamia seems passive and it likes to hide. It's staying away from things. Someone don't catch me, don't see me, don't spot me. I gotta be in the COVID of night, in the dark. The dracana doesn't give a. That rolls up on towns, that rolls up on city. It doesn't give a. Broad daylight. It doesn't give a. It's eating.

Cristina: It's eating. Okay, so this is the feral.

Jack: This is a creature people run from towns, from, okay, destroyed villages because this rolled through.

Cristina: Oh, that's crazy.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which as you'd expect of an adrenochrome creature, oftentimes we don't get something crazy vicious because it's something stupid. But sometimes we get like, you know, if a groundhog. Like, whatever, dude. But if a wolf takes it, okay, we got a bit of a problem. We got nothing but stories of villages being terrorized by werewolves.

Cristina: Mm

Jack: Because when it's bad enough, it's bad enough.

Cristina: Horrible.

Jack: It's horrible. Werewolf. That's a f****** problem. Evacuate. Leave the f****** country. If you can get as far away, put water in between you, it's a f****** werewolf.

Cristina: Yeah, and I'm.

Jack: You know, most werewolves have started themselves out into the shadow realm. Ultimately as we got more technologically advanced and built structures that couldn't get through and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So in modern day, we see way less adrenochrome driven creatures because they will starve to death, minus the humans who can create farms easily.

Cristina: Yes, we don't have a problem.

Jack: We can solve our issues. But that's definitely the dracaena. If it. All the characteristics all perfectly, minus the fact that it's out of its f****** mind and fits the characteristics of what we're referring to as the Lamia. See, when we Talk about the Lamia. We're converging two stories of Khalees and a serpent, but the eating children and men were actually converging. The third part, the Jacana. So we're talking about three different instances of Khalees as a woman, of a serpent imitating Khalees and of the Jacana, all overlapping in one narrative that the Greek gave us. Because the lamia never hurt anybody. The lamia dipped into the woods and.

Cristina: That was the end of that.

Jack: That was the end of that.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then we get the dracaena once that s*** goes feral and didn't get exposed enough, and now it's out of his f****** mind and has to just go eat whatever the h*** it comes across.

Cristina: And it wants children.

Jack: Yes. Now, the thing is, eventually that story fizzles out and we start seeing a very similar but different story about something called the echidna.

Cristina: Sounds familiar.

Jack: Is because Knuckles from Sonic is an echidna. But just the name of this thing is echidna. And in Greek mythology, the echidna is known as the mother of monsters, a half woman, half snake creature who gives birth to many of the famous monsters. In this context, the controlled shadow realm version of the Lamia would be the echidna. You make it into the shadow realm because you've died. But once in the shadow realm, you reset, you start again. Insane. Not insane. You start sane. So you're back to clarity. Except if you don't understand how it works, it's only a matter of time before you're right back to feral. Yeah, but you've left the body. You no longer need the blood requirements, but you still need what you were getting from the blood, which is the fear. But you no longer need the blood. So you got some time now that you've died and gone to the other side. And that brings us to the echidna, this creature that seems to be an ethereal shadow ghost. Like half woman, half snake, sort of faded silhouette thing that shows up. And it does not eat people. It sort of scares people to death. Oh, haunts them. It surrounds your house.

Cristina: It wants to fear.

Jack: Wants a fear.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It shows up. It surrounds your house. It hits things. It'll be inside. It'll run up to you. It just scare you and disappear right into your face. It's a horrifying f****** monster that's just trying to scare the living f*** out of you.

Cristina: And it's also having babies.

Jack: According to the narrative, it's having babies. But when you look at the stories that are mentioned relative to this creature, there's not one mention of it. That's specifically the Greek narrative. That's the main Greek narrative. That's full of bullshit.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Again, we never take the main narrative at face value. It's always a lie.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We gotta take the details and. Yeah, so most of the narrative fits. The having babies part does not. But the having babies part is only mentioned in the main narrative and does not get mentioned ever again.

Cristina: Okay, so he. It's a ghost haunting.

Jack: It's a ghost haunting. And it's mentioned follows the dates that directly stop mentioning the dracaena.

Cristina: So that wild creature self died. Feral being. Maybe someone finally got it killed or something.

Jack: Yes. And then we have the ghost. The ghost.

Cristina: That's cool.

Jack: Eventually that must go feral, though.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because again, it's still uninformed. It's just a random thing. And then we get to something called the basilisk.

Cristina: Basilisk. And it's.

Jack: What is it described as? A deadly, mindless serpent spirit driven purely by instinct and fear.

Cristina: Of course. That sounds right. That sounds so right that all these match up in how they saw it.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: They are all the stages of this creature's life.

Jack: They're all the stages of the creature's life. And they're all top, woman, bottom, serpent.

Cristina: Has to be the same.

Jack: And we found the origin.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We can track this very instance to the very pit.

Cristina: This is crazy.

Jack: It's actually the first time we could do that.

Cristina: Yeah. Whoa.

Jack: Yeah. This is the clearest we've ever had.

Cristina: A situation that just lines up with every thing we thought about these creatures and how it works.

Jack: Yes. This answers many questions. Yes. As we were theorizing is the accurate turn of how it works. Every theory we had about how adrenochrome affects the body and what we are really getting from adrenochrome, which is ultimately the fear. And it's hard to even understand what exactly the concept of fear really is in a sort of tangible way.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because we're definitely not grasping it. We don't understand. Fear is something different to these things in general.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because why can these things tune into it? Must have already been something else. Why aren't they tuning into our happiness? You know, weren't they tuning into our sadness?

Cristina: Yeah. Because it's all the same. Well, to us, we think they're all the same.

Jack: Exactly. So it's. Fear is inherently something different.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And again, not just to the creatures. Because fear is what adrenochrome is. It's blood with adrenaline caused by fear.

Cristina: Yes. What is Happening. Okay.

Jack: We know Santa Claus, Mr. Clever, got planet Earth just having tiny little bits of faint fear. We know kids exaggerate smallest amount of fear. And he just needs kids to have a little bit of fear. He doesn't eat children. He doesn't do anything. He's just casual.

Cristina: But has accessed by it, though. So, like all of them.

Jack: But he's not some sort of creature. He's still, it seems, a necromancer. And necromancers can still wield things for power instead of having. Which he also has a stone on his staff.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So he has a stone and he's overpowered. That explains a lot. He has crazy powers. Entirely due to the fact that he has stones and still manipulating fear globally.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know. But we know he's not. He's not a human. He was a human once upon a time. Yes, but he is.

Jack: I mean, he might still be a human. We don't know what really to describe necromancers as.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Like, I think.

Cristina: But it does seem like they all went through death.

Jack: Yes, you're totally right. You're totally right. It seems in a couple of. In. You're totally right. Yes. In a couple of instances, there have been mentions that it appears to be that they must intentionally go through a process that they will die in. And that's where the original association with necromancers and death comes from. And if he is using necromancer abilities and is in any manner, shape or form, even scratching the powers of a necromancer, which we don't know. He's one of the only examples we have with, like, visible things that we can point at and be like, oh, this must be working in my favor. Like, yeah, definitely. It's hard to even grasp. But he had to die.

Cristina: I think.

Jack: So we know at least. Homer. Not Homer. Hermes. Jesus. Jesus. The best example, because, again, he couldn't go in there and do it. Dying was literally part of it.

Cristina: Yeah, it's part of the plan. That's crazy.

Jack: He's built in his own death. He managed to build the gates knowing he would need them to get back. He got back somewhere else entirely, so they couldn't stop him.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But he needed to die to do it.

Cristina: I'm pretty sure Patrick had a die too.

Jack: Maybe. I mean, the fact that he's so exaggeratedly overpowered and can so easily deal with even fairies.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Necromancers can't be touched.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Then the question that we have is, is Mab's problem? The Elysians or is Mab's problem that the Elysians are connected with Hermes? Is Hermes the issue? Is Jesus the issue? We know the Alicians at least had a heart attack after they lost control of that situation.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Get the out of here. We're all she was also fearing could totally be. Is Jesus gonna easily show up in El Fame and smack everybody around effortlessly? Sounds like Hermes can.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like I'd be shook too, if I made your universe and you can come over here and just f*** me.

Cristina: Mm. That's crazy.

Jack: But here we have the proof that it kind of works. As we suspected it would work.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: As we have talked that it would work for years. And it played out.

Cristina: Made from adrenochrome transforming.

Jack: And we can. There's. I didn't put the dates here, but the dates kind of follow one another in the right order.

Cristina: That's so crazy because it's exactly what we thought.

Jack: It's exactly what we thought in narrative form. Although the original narrative muddies it up. And unclear is everything we're looking at. Thank you to all the other record keepers. Primarily Homer and Apollonius, who had meticulous notes.

Cristina: That's nice.

Jack: And as we know, Apollonius is really just Apollo. And Apollo directly knew Hermes because they were both present with Aristotle.

Cristina: Ridiculous.

Jack: At the school. Lycium. Yep. Everything connects.

Cristina: Everything connects. Yeah.

Jack: And somehow the problem is how the h*** did Jesus come in contact with anybody? Did Jesus didn't go to Elysium. How did Jesus. Jesus is so complicated.

Cristina: I don't know. He has some. I don't know.

Jack: He has some connection somewhere. Somewhere he must. Or he figured it out. But how? We're talking. The Elysians were definitely trying to figure this s*** out. And you alone with no help from anybody. Get the f*** out of here, bro.

Cristina: He had to have help. If he didn't like how.

Jack: Oh, s***. I just had a theory right now. It just came to me. Well. Well, I guess it kinda does make sense that he would just know. Let's look at the evidence. What is the biggest problem with Jesus that caused everybody to go.

Cristina: Everyone knew about him.

Jack: Everybody knew about him. What does that tell us? He's sending a mental wave of some sort.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah. It's coming from him.

Jack: It's coming from him outward. He was throwing a beacon back in time into the future. And in the present. This is where I am. Everybody was having visions, dreams, and everything about where he is.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now what do we know? Following logical standing. If we think about Santa, what's one of the most Exaggerated things about Santa being everywhere. He just knows what you're doing casually.

Cristina: That's pretty powerful stuff.

Jack: Is that mental blast or whatever the f*** when Jesus was born.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So if Santa, some underpowered thing compared.

Cristina: To Jesus can do it, still know everything.

Jack: He could literally just know everything. Yes, as long as you know it. And as long as you don't have some sort of magneto brain cover protecting you from him looking into your mind or whatever. And even if maybe he's not. Not even looking at your mind, maybe he can just witness moments in space and time.

Cristina: Jesus is. I guess, I mean, that's why he's a God. He is God. He's the son of God. He is God though. That's a God power.

Jack: Yeah. You couldn't hide from him if you wanted to. He just knows. Okay. We hid it over there. Yeah. I know where they hit it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, he'll never find out about these things. Oh yeah. I can just see their library and I can just see them doing the research.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, how could they really hide?

Jack: How could you really hide? But in return, the flaw with that logic is why are you looking for them if you know where they are?

Cristina: Yes. So they must have figured out a way to block him. To block him? Yes. Yes. Yes.

Jack: Which means. Yes. Going to Atlantis was very intentional. Going to Atlantis also meant that's where they had built the protection field that prevents him from seeing them. He has no idea where Atlantis is.

Cristina: No.

Jack: They know how to become invisible.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Not just literally cloaking, but they know.

Cristina: How to block their minds.

Jack: Yeah, they know how to block s***. But then that comes up to the. Let's go back to the point again. If Jesus is so freaking overpowered and you can so easily just hide from him, then his map scared of you and not Jesus. At this point, the argument really stands on one thing. One of these guys is who worried this lady. It's either the Elysians and Jehovah.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or it was Jesus, which is a product of the Elysians and Jehovah. Anyways. But you know, we're still counting them as two separate entities, ultimately one two different units. And one of these units is triggering this lady into mobilizing elves into Stop. Could be basically being firewalls and trying to stop anybody else from getting to this level of power and trying to literally suppress the Elysians who went into hiding. And just who is she scared of? Is it Jesus or is the Alicians? They're not on the same side. One of those can easily side with her. To stop the other.

Cristina: I don't know. That's tricky. I don't know. It feels like it has to be Jesus because that's probably when she realized. No, like it is the Elysians, but it's because of Jesus that it's the Elysian.

Jack: Oh, like they could do some this. They could do this s*** again.

Cristina: Yes. And they probably would. They probably would. I don't know if they just learned their lessons. I feel like they're the type of scientists that are like, okay, plan one didn't work, let's go to plan two. Well, which is how we got other versions of Jesus that were way weaker after him. Like obviously they don't.

Jack: No, those were different people that was. We can follow him literally walking. Or do you mean like Muhammad and things like that? Because the people who were happening at the same time, we're not literally the same time. Kind of like this. We can track their dates back to back and we can follow every step Jesus took all the way to Japan. That was the same one, dude. That wasn't different people.

Cristina: No, I'm talking about like what's his name? Like the golem thing.

Jack: Oh, yes, yes. But that doesn't seem to have been Jehovah. That seems to have been information that came from the shadow realm. Kind of like the Viking forest. It was just something from the shadow and suspectedly that was Yaldabaoth just doing his own thing. Doing his own thing. And we know he did that with Eloi. He, you know, kind of influenced him. Like, hey, you could do this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Kind of do it that way.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: Yeah. But Jesus being this level of overpowered and Jehovah's ability to easily make more Jesus becomes kind of a problem, especially because like, you don't know if they're gonna become good or bad.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And like this Jesus, at least not a threat it seems, because he directly preaches peace, love and happiness. And his whole path, every single stop he made for rest. The narrative is the same. He took care of us. He told us to love one another and treat each other really well. And he just kept going on his way.

Cristina: We know the ultimate plan is some weird war against the sea people.

Jack: Well, this is the most important part of this entire episode right here because we are way over time and we have to address this. Anyways, the narrative of Jesus, without diving into the separate cross reference parts, just the book itself, the Holy Bible, which is a rewrite of true events into this warped version by the Templar.

Cristina: Okay, right, yeah.

Jack: It tells us a very important Thing about Jesus. But we also have to remember who's telling us the story. It tells us what's gonna happen with Jesus. What's gonna happen with Jesus?

Cristina: That he's gonna come back.

Jack: Yes. And who's telling us the story?

Cristina: Let's see, people.

Jack: Which tells us what? There's an inherent plan to make another one. There's an inherent plan to make another one. Another Jesus. There's an inherent plan in the book written, telling us there's another Jesus coming. We don't know what Jesus looks like specifically. They can make him look like whatever the f*** they want. Anybody they want. We just know that a person who fits the abilities and characteristics as mentioned in the book about Jesus is gonna return. That doesn't mean literally return. That's just what they want us to believe. Because they are the people who make this.

Cristina: Exactly. Okay, so they are planning.

Jack: Yes. Within the book. We literally have. We literally have their plan.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's telling us eventually we're gonna create another one. But we can't tell them it's another one.

Cristina: No. Because we don't want them to worry.

Jack: Yeah, well, no. We wouldn't even know. We think it's all one person anyways. We didn't know that he was even made.

Cristina: That's true. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. But the book directly. With all the information we have, the book directly tells us another one's happening. Another one's gonna happen. There was the plan. Always. The plan is we're gonna make a perfect version.

Cristina: That is horrifying. I don't know. I mean, like, if it works. But what does it mean? That it worked too.

Jack: Doesn't matter. The point ultimately comes down to the fact that that's whose map Mab is afraid of, like you said.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Maybe she's scared that they're gonna make another one.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And that one will be even harder to control.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Or not a good guy, especially in today's world. You want an overpowered, beyond godlike thing to have been raised by a current day human woman? We're f*****.

Cristina: I don't know their plan. Well, we don't understand their plan, but obviously they told us their plan. Like we know it's happening. Interesting.

Jack: More is to come.

Cristina: More is to come inevitably.

Jack: According to the Holy Bible.

Cristina: That's crazy. Yes. Okay.

Jack: The Knights Templar, controlled by the Elysian, specifically put in a book the corrected narrative that Jesus is coming back. We know Jesus is essentially a lab experiment. What does it mean that he's coming back if they can't control him? Means they're making another one.

Cristina: They're making another one.

Jack: So you were right about that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Anyways, that's what we got.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Yeah. So if you guys have any comments, questions, concerns, and if you guys want to yell at me for always being so ruthless to Christina, feel free. You guys can come and yell at me, too. You know. You guys know how it goes. You can do that and hate on us on our socials, at Just Combo pod on Twitter, which is X on Facebook, on Instagram, wherever the h***, just search it.

Cristina: Just combo pod. Remember to subscribe, rate, and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth is one of the most important, overpowered things that exists. So tell people about the program and the fact that we're finding all these weird things.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: Sam.

March 11, 2023

Rambling 217: Jesus the Son of Atlantis

March 11, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

What future was being avoided by the ancients? Why did the Sea People cast Mary and Joseph from the Persian Gulf Oasis and only allow them in once the child was no longer involved? And what is the Garden of Eden? The duo ponder how their recent findings into the ancient world connect and why these characteristics present themselves so often related to one another. What is discovered about Jesus Christ and the reason the Sea People cast his family is an entirely new revelation worth investigation of its own.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Adrenochrome
Christianity
Mount Athos
Atlantis
The Shadow Realm
Unicorns
Space
The Garden of Eden
The Maya
Egyptians
The MagiHoly
Coat
Blood of Christ

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is a show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas, and they're usually really absurd and really baffling simultaneously. I think we do a pretty good job sometimes.

Cristina: Childish.

Jack: Yeah, sometimes they're childish. Rarely lately, but that's still kicking around in there.

Cristina: But what the Christians did to the Russians. Christians. What is it? The. Whatever. Christians versus the Russian Christians. And then with the book. That's pretty childish.

Jack: Yeah, that was pretty childish. On the mountain.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Hiding. Hiding their picture book of animals.

Cristina: Yeah, it's pretty childish. I'm assuming the Russians are also Christian, Right? Like, they have to be.

Jack: Okay, so I'm very confused about this myself too. I think most of them are Christian, but not all of them.

Cristina: Yeah, but the Russians specifically, what do you think they are?

Jack: I think it would have to be Rush Christian, right?

Cristina: Yeah, I think so. Like, the other option is atheists, but I doubt, like, there's an atheist church on them.

Jack: Yeah, there's no. Yeah, they're all believers of something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they all find that mountain holy to some degree. Okay, so good. Good point. Right, like that. That was a weird, childish thing that did happen. But you bring up an interesting thing that this mountain. Okay, like, that book is weird. We're talking about Mount Athos. For anybody who doesn't know what mountain we're talking about, it's Mount Athos.

Cristina: From the last episode.

Jack: From the last. Yeah, the last series. Series. Series of episodes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's a very strange mountain with a lot of weird things. But I went and I looked farther to find what thing is. Are on that mountain that could somehow be relevant to anything else.

Cristina: Are there more mythical creatures?

Jack: Interesting. I don't know. But I gathered this information. I went ahead and I looked for all the things related to this mountain so that I can see how weird the things got. And the initial thought I came to this episode with was, we're gonna unpack the similarities between. Or not similarities, but what? Things have patterns that we consistently notice. But we'll get to that in a moment because this is one of the patterns, Right. This freaky mountain came out of nowhere, and then everything we've already ever looked at seems to connect through this mountain. All of a sudden, we became aware, and now we can't unsee the freaking mountain.

Cristina: Okay, but this mountain isn't on that line, though, is it?

Jack: Mount Athos is not directly on the line, though, because it's just off. It's just off. All the countries surrounding it are considered part, but not because of how close they are to that line.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But the only one landing directly on it is the Persian Gulf.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now I was looking at the fact that they hid that book atop the mountain.

Cristina: Newer.

Jack: I thought that was weird. It's like, okay, we know that you guys are trying to hide something. There's something weird happening up there. But that's too. That's. That's a deep secret. Like, we need to know somebody. We're not. We're gonna find out what's up there. You know, that's whatever. But in an effort to hide whatever is on top of that mountain most effectively, you're gonna let slip what's everywhere else. Somehow you can't hold it all up. So here and there, there's information for things, whether or not they tried to hide it. You can find out other things that are there now. Important to know that there's a lot of weirdly diabolical things that always take place in Christianity. People can take it for what it is, whatever, you know, you do drinking.

Cristina: What's happening? Children. Are they taking children to the mod?

Jack: No, no, it's more about. Again, I'm just talking about things they contain on the mountain. Relics.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Objects of the past and whatever. And like, first, the Catholic Church is very strange. They have a lot, a lot of skulls. Yes, many.

Cristina: Well, they keep the saints, don't they?

Jack: Yes, they have chambers of skulls, of just saint skulls.

Cristina: I think they've collected their blood. Use for magic.

Jack: Yeah, well, for me, I guess it would have to be, right. They do have the blood of the saints. They do. They have many, many. So much blood. There's so much blood. And there's so many skeletons and skulls. They have severed hands, they have severed feet. They have chests, like just torsos laying around. They got all these things preserved infinitely. They have all this crap in a lot of different, like, churches, cathedrals, like, you know, places where they have it. Many places have them.

Cristina: Many.

Jack: Yeah, they're everywhere. Catholic Church, skulls and, like, blood.

Cristina: People go there to pray on those objects.

Jack: Yo, this is normal.

Cristina: Because it's magical in these people's eyes that are praying to these objects or skulls or blood or whatever.

Jack: Blows my mind. It blows my mind. It's so blatantly satanic. Whoa. But whatever. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the most interesting two items that are here are they have the largest portion of the cross.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, they have the largest portion of the cross in Mount Athos.

Cristina: Specifically the cross that Jesus was on. You're talking about like any cross. It was the cross.

Jack: It was the cross. They have a chunk of the cross.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes. The other thing that's incredibly interesting here is the vial. The one vial. The one vial of blood of Jesus is on this.

Cristina: No, it's not. I don't know how that's possible.

Jack: My question is, is it at the top? Why? Why is it less important than whatever's at the top?

Cristina: How do you know it's not at the top?

Jack: Wasn't. It's inside certain monasteries.

Cristina: That's very strange.

Jack: What was in the book? So it was in the book. Why. Why does that get to be the thing that goes up? Why is that more important?

Cristina: It has location of Mary.

Jack: Does it? Like what is. What is happening here? This is a really weird, almost contradicting idea that if whatever's most important goes to the summit of the mountain, you do you take. Or are they just trolling and there's no importance to the top of the mountain, it's just sacred. And nobody goes up there. And so they just took it from the Russians and they're like, haha, you can't grab your thing. But I doubt that's happening. So why was the book more important to take up there? I don't understand. It seems like such an arbitrary thing.

Cristina: It does. Yeah. Because it's not just about the unicorn.

Jack: It's not just about the unicorn. Like really? Really. Why the book? Why the beastiary Mary?

Cristina: 100% it's Mary. No, but she's not like a beast or anything.

Jack: Yeah, she's not like a Pokemon.

Cristina: I don't know. Unless they found out something about her that makes her a Pokemon.

Jack: The makes her Pokemon? That'd be nuts.

Cristina: Exactly. We wouldn't know because it's in that book. What if it is in that book? I don't know. Because we know she's important somehow. But they don't talk about it. They just say they were worshiping Mary on this mountain.

Jack: Yeah, it's very vague.

Cristina: She came there, they're there for her. But where is she?

Jack: Yeah, I don't know. Story kind of just abruptly wraps up. But why would the book be associated with Mary? It still doesn't make sense. She's not a Pokemon.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Like, yes, definitely. There's. I don't understand. It's so weird, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I don't get it. Just the. You have the blood, dude. If this blood is what you say it is, or if it's not, either way, you take it to the top of the mountain, because holy. Right. If you're lying and you need to keep the secret, take it to the top.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If you're telling the truth, then holy s***, it's the blood of Jesus. Take it to the f****** top.

Cristina: So it's not the real thing?

Jack: No. If it's not the real thing, you also want it at the freaking top.

Cristina: Not if you need it, because also in the top, magic doesn't work. Or the whole mountain is not magical. Is it just the top or is it all of it?

Jack: Interesting? I don't remember. Was it just the top? I think it was that only the top is where magic works.

Cristina: Is where magic works.

Jack: It's the only part of the mountain where magic works. Making it neutral territory for when people with magic show up. Or in this case, I guess it would be some sort of dampening field. If we're talking that these are advanced civilizations because we fail to think of it in that way. And we're supposed to, because that's what's happening. These were the higher developed groups of people. And so everything we're considering the. Be this sort of. Again, we just established that even unicorns were just genetically engineered. Large shire horses with a defect bred in intentionally to make an interesting shape.

Cristina: Possibly, yes.

Jack: So it's all science. So ultimately, what you're dealing with is something there that's making the territory neutral.

Cristina: Except for the top.

Jack: Except for the very top. Because they need to arrive. You can't disable their technology when they land. They need to get there and then, you know, park or whatever and then come down. That's what it sounds like to me. The whole time I was telling that, I was always thinking about it that way, and I'm like, why does it sound like. Of course I wasn't thinking about a dampening field or anything, but you know that they land. They park. They essentially park up there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then they come down the trade.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And it's like, what a weird series of sentences to use to describe that. You could have said anything else. They came down and gave us tablets, bro. You could just. You could have said anything. But you chose to say they came, they landed, and then they walked out. They walked down and they just traded with us.

Cristina: I don't know. Why do they have that blood? They're not doing anything with it. Because then on top of the mountain, it would be magical.

Jack: On top of the Mountain. It would be magical. Why does the book. Is the book magical?

Cristina: Well, on the top it should be.

Jack: But what is magical about the book? It's just a bookkeeping record. If the book itself doesn't have power, it's just. I saw a thing. I drew it and described it a little. And this is where I saw it. Why is that up there?

Cristina: It makes sense.

Jack: It doesn't.

Cristina: It?

Jack: 100%. This makes sense. It haunts me.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It haunts me. There's some mystical something about having a portion of the. The holy cross up there that's some significance. The blood. Significant. But.

Cristina: But neither of those things are on the top.

Jack: Neither of those things are at the top.

Cristina: They're just there.

Jack: Hello. Skeletons and crap. None of those are at the top either.

Cristina: Did you find anything else weird on that mountain?

Jack: No, this actually, by accident, I even found this information is the craziest thing, because I wasn't looking for this.

Cristina: What were you looking for?

Jack: I was looking at the fact that we still have. Jesus. We haven't solved that problem. We slightly peaked into the future and stuck. Got stuck in a loop of some sort already. And it's like, okay, we can't use a time machine anymore, so let's reason through it. So I was thinking we're going to look at the artifacts that he directly came in contact with. That makes perfect sense to me. That's a good place to start. Because if he has some sort of real magic or power, then maybe something else does too, that he touched or interacted or used or whatever. And so we could use that to bring him out of cryostasis without killing him.

Cristina: Assuming that those things are magical.

Jack: Yeah, assuming that they're magic. And we can actually bypass technology. But if it does turn out to.

Cristina: Be technology, then how would we know how to use that technology?

Jack: How would we know how to use.

Cristina: Like, even if it's magic, we wouldn't know how to use it. Neither. Or either.

Jack: Or. But we have. Again, we have means at least to learn what kind of thing works with magic. We know things that claim magic, even if it turns out to always be technology, which just means it's ultimately going to be just too advanced of a technology.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Crap. That's always a problem, isn't it?

Cristina: If it is somehow magic, we can give it to our beaver.

Jack: To our beaver.

Cristina: Groundhog.

Jack: Well, in. He's not magic.

Cristina: He's pretty magical.

Jack: I mean, is that what happens is. Did we establish that it is magic that you get from adrenochrome because you.

Cristina: Get abilities I guess we never really call it magic.

Jack: No, but we didn't say it was like, you know, sciency either, because, like, could we track it in the gene? It's a we. It is kind of other thing of some sort.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Like, why does a plus that specific be equal? A functional C? I don't understand.

Cristina: Something's not right.

Jack: Something's not right. But. Yeah. So this mountain is a complete nightmare. And once it showed up, it didn't stop showing up. And so, again, looking through things related to Jesus, the main things that were important for whatever reason, the relics that are being hoarded in different places around the world away from the public, include from the crucifixion, specifically, more pieces of the cross it's spread across.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: The crown of thorns.

Cristina: His crown of thorn.

Jack: They have. They have it specifically the people on the mountain. No, no, no. Oh, this is just around the world.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The Holy Lands used to poke him on the side and pierce him when he was on the cross.

Cristina: Okay, but you don't know who has these. No, no, you just know they exist.

Jack: Yeah, they're. They're all it was. They're scattered. It's irrelevant. Random places, just people. Got it. But the interesting one opposite to all of these, that there is only one of. It's only one of all of these.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They're like, it's over there. Oh, yeah, it's over. Except the cross. Everybody's like, I got a chunk. Broke it apart, bro. Whatever. But the coat he wore. He wore.

Cristina: He wore a coat.

Jack: The coat he wore? Yeah, the coat he wore right before he was crucified.

Cristina: What coat?

Jack: Some. He's. Some's coat. The holy coat.

Cristina: The holy coat.

Jack: He had a coat.

Cristina: No, he didn't.

Jack: Yeah, he had a coat. Some jacket or something that he was wearing, and then they took it off to whip him. Yeah, yeah, he was. He was. He was wearing some coat. Allegedly. I don't know. Holy people. I don't know, man.

Cristina: But he's the one else's coat.

Jack: Well, that's where it gets weird. Specifically this one thing that nobody ever believed happened because nobody knows why the story just arose without it being in the Bible. It's not in the Bible. He didn't have a coat. It's got mentioned that he had a coat from something and it went down through history, trickled down for 2,000 years. That's right.

Cristina: Even though it's not in the Bible.

Jack: It's not in the Bible. Was trickled down. But apparently he had a Code. And people knew he had a code. It was famous code or whatever. Coat. He's super Aussie. Maybe he was. Maybe was known for his coats, you.

Cristina: Know, but it wasn't in the Bible.

Jack: Was in the Bible.

Cristina: But this coat, everyone has it.

Jack: Everybody has this coat. And that's a really.

Cristina: Pieces of the coat.

Jack: No, no, no, they have the coat. Many, many people believe they have the coat.

Cristina: The coat.

Jack: The coat, yes.

Cristina: Do you have any idea what this coat looks like?

Jack: It's just a flat little brown, like looks. It looks crappy.

Cristina: Okay. And they all look the same. Like, did you see it in all these places that say, oh, I have it.

Jack: Yeah, it looks the same. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Why? Why?

Jack: The one similarity is that all these places claim that the trickle down from them happened where they were. That this person had a vision of Jesus as he was on the cross or right before he was on the cross. And when Jesus disappeared from the vision, the coat got left behind. Is always a story.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Everybody f****** has one.

Cristina: Oh, so they're. None of those are the real coats? They're vision coats?

Jack: Well, they called it a vision. But like, was Jesus there if he's leaving a coat behind?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But he's everywhere.

Cristina: Yeah, I mean, he's magic, right? I don't know.

Jack: So he's simultaneously at all these places. Because these are all people claiming like.

Cristina: None of them have the original coat. They have. They have the coat.

Jack: They have a coat.

Cristina: Yeah, they have a coat. And it came from a vision. Like, I'm sure. I don't know. Sounds so dumb.

Jack: So out of all the items, I think most of these are just bullshit items. This is s*** that he interacted with. No significance, no power. I think the one item to look at is actually this one that everybody ignores. What the holy coat. I think that's an item that might truly have some magical significance to it.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because he left one everywhere simultaneously.

Cristina: Was it simultaneously, it was a vision.

Jack: Right before he went to get crucified?

Cristina: No, like it happened that time.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That those people receiving.

Jack: Oh, s***.

Cristina: Or is it in the future after that happened that they get the vision of that? Like. What do you mean?

Jack: Yeah, I know that the vision was of that moment.

Cristina: Yeah. Like. But if I had that vision right now and then I get that cold. Like it doesn't. It's not just one period where all these people got the vision.

Jack: I never even considered that. You think that happens in the Bible? That probably happens all the time. Right. I never thought about that. That when these simultaneous events happen, they could Actually simultaneous. Yeah. It's not actually simultaneous. It could be like. Yeah. You might be talking about the same moment, but you could have had that vision way later. Which is essentially somebody said a story and you had a thought about it at a random moment, and you're like, wow, pictures in my head. A vis. Whoa.

Cristina: Yeah, we can get that coat. Maybe.

Jack: But how do you get the coat? That's the weird part, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If they really believe it. But that's the problem. Why do so many people really believe it?

Cristina: That they got the coat from Jesus.

Jack: Yeah. Like where the. Where the what?

Cristina: I don't know. Because they saw Jesus.

Jack: No, but, like, where did the actual coat. Yes. Whatever. Their explanation for it is fantastic. Sweet.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Where did the actual coat come from? They. They were left with a coat. Like what? Regardless of what crazy story they built around it, they really ended up with a coat. Some anomaly happened.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And they were left with a coat. Weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it happened many times. Whether it be at the same time. I don't know. Or spread throughout time. But they all had a coat from a vision. From a vision or an ethereal visitor or something. A guy who is there and then wasn't.

Cristina: Like, what's the purpose, though? What's the purpose for Jesus to be doing this?

Jack: Be handing out coats?

Cristina: Right. Yes.

Jack: Okay, so that's the weird one out of the crucifixion. Very strange. And then some of the other relics that have specifically to do with Jesus were from the Last Supper. Would that include a knife from the holy chalice and a knife from the. From the Last Supper and the holy chalice?

Cristina: Oh, the knife doesn't sound as impressive as the chalice where he drank from it.

Jack: He used a knife to cut the bread, I guess.

Cristina: Unless it was to cut his own skin. I don't care. Unless he was cutting his skin and they eat his skin and it was like, whoa, this tastes like bread. That's crazy.

Jack: That would be amazing. Unrelated to the Last Supper or the crucifixion. Tears from when Jesus mourns Lazarus.

Cristina: No. What?

Jack: They saved his tears. How they were ready. How they were ready.

Cristina: Who was there when he cried and gathered up those tears?

Jack: No, let's be real. Let's be real. Do you think Jesus, the super mega, super duper star, had a single moment where there weren't people just trying to grab his spit at any given second? Like, we don't think about it. Yeah, we don't think about it like that. But really, really just a celebrity. He was a super mega celebrity.

Cristina: Very hated both.

Jack: The more love, the more hate, baby. The more love, the more hate. And that's exactly what he was living is a super megastar.

Cristina: Someone was collecting his tears.

Jack: F****** tears, bro.

Cristina: Then someone collected his sperm.

Jack: No, but okay, weirdly enough, a very odd pride of the Catholic church is the fact that they have his circumcised junk.

Cristina: He was circumcised?

Jack: Yeah, because he was a Jew. And they. They kept this foreskin. They're very proud of it.

Cristina: Okay. They have a foreskin? Yeah.

Jack: Good job, guys.

Cristina: Oh, they are creepy.

Jack: So, like, got a baby's foreskin. Air 5, guys. We preserved it and everything. Whoa.

Cristina: They take turn looking at. Okay, whoa. What do they do with it?

Jack: What do they do with what?

Cristina: That thing, the foreskin. Why do they have it? They put it on themselves. They put it on their heads? Yes.

Jack: They lick it once in a while for its power.

Cristina: That's disturbing. Okay, what else do they have? That's so awful?

Jack: All right, weird thing. That's actually at Mount Athos, though.

Cristina: What? Back to the mountain?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The gift of the Meiji.

Cristina: That means nothing to me.

Jack: The three dudes.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Rolled in from seemingly nowhere. I actually tried to find out about these people.

Cristina: Okay, what did you find? Nothing.

Jack: It's. It's hard, weird, and highly obscure.

Cristina: They're kings. They should be known. If they were real.

Jack: Oh, no, no, no, no.

Cristina: If they're real.

Jack: Let me be correct. Let me correct you when I explain that you remember the three kings because you're hearing the warped, more popular version. But it's the three wise men. Most commonly. They are not kings. It is not established anywhere. They are wise men who come from question mark. And the Bible does a really good job job of giving you nothing. They just kind of roll in.

Cristina: Okay, so these three wise men.

Jack: These three wise men, the gifts, the Meiji. They show up. They're just known. These people, these obscure people, they claim their royalty themselves. Allegedly. The magi claim their royalty. That's all that's known. They're some people and they come in. They show up. It is not. It's not said anywhere that they're here to worship this guy. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Cristina: They show up with gifts.

Jack: With gifts. They're not here for a God of any sort. They haven't said that. Maybe they are. Who knows? I'm not sure what's in their head. They didn't. They didn't say it.

Cristina: What did they say?

Jack: They just brought some gifts for the future king.

Cristina: For the future king.

Jack: For the future king. They were there for royalty.

Cristina: Okay, so they saw him as some kind of king, but they weren't really specific on.

Jack: They weren't what that meant. So they gave gold, frankincense and myrrh.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: A lot of people are like, what the h***? Yes, like what, bruh?

Cristina: What's the baby gonna do with that?

Jack: What's the baby gonna do with that? Now this actually has people torn about what? The fact that these three things were given leads to a lot of confusion. First, these three things are on the mountain.

Cristina: Oh, so you're saying.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: Yes. But what is he gonna do with it? What does it mean?

Jack: These three things are on top of the mountain. Sure, with the book.

Jack: Now what the h*** are these three things?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay. Theories, because it's not known.

Cristina: They're telling him where to go. They want him to go up there.

Jack: To go up where?

Cristina: The mountain. They know he's from them.

Jack: No, no, no.

Cristina: They're from. They're not just from the mountain, they're from Atlantis.

Jack: Holy s***. What?

Cristina: The top of the mountain is the portal.

Jack: Wait, no, but these things are kept at top of the mountain now. Yes, these are relics now at top of the mountain.

Cristina: Oh, I thought you meant that those things are found on the mountain.

Jack: No, no, no, these things are currently on the mountain.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They're from the top of the mountain.

Cristina: They're not.

Jack: They're not from the top of mountain, they're on top of.

Cristina: That's why the way you're saying it makes me. Okay, okay.

Jack: They're not on top of the mountain.

Cristina: They're on top of the mountain. Okay, but they're not naturally from the mountain.

Jack: Well, I don't know where these things come from. I mean, just because if they were.

Cristina: Found on top of the mountain, that meant like, hey, we know you're one of us. Here's some gifts.

Jack: Would have been crazy, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Well, no, here's the thing that's heavily speculated. What these things even meant.

Jack: People don't know. So one idea is that they're completely ordinary. They're just things that you would like normally have, you know, just having. What is it? You have gold, which is a commodity. Like it's money, if money. You have myrrh, which is commonly used as an anointing oil, and then frankincense, which is essentially used as a perfume. So like just normal crap, common s***. Yeah, here's some s***. Guys have it. And to us it doesn't make sense because it's so primitive. But to them, it was like, yeah, this is the pristine perfume rock, and this is like money rock. And this is like, you know, there's super primitive.

Cristina: It's not probably enough money to make him rich or anything. It's like, here's some.

Jack: Here's some s***.

Cristina: Here's a dollar.

Jack: We just brought you some gifts, bro.

Cristina: Not much. Okay. Any other theories, though?

Jack: The second. Well, that was one of the most. One of the two more dominant theories, but the more dominant of the two is the spiritual metaphor that they are supposed to signify. Like, gold is to signify that he's a king.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Kings and gold, you know, it's. It's a metaphor.

Cristina: Came there thinking he's the king.

Jack: Yeah. So metaphor. Exactly. Exactly. Frankincense, which is an incense used for rituals very commonly to signify his godliness. You know, you do rituals to deities and whatnot.

Cristina: What's the last one?

Jack: And myrrh, which is an embalming oil. So it's to preserve the dead, is to symbolize death. Plot twist.

Cristina: God of death, which sort of. Because he's there at the gate, letting you in. No, he's not. He's not at the gate. I thought he was. It was John. John's at the gate.

Jack: Who's John?

Cristina: One of the apostles. They were chosen to protect the gate, I think. Or is it his dad? I'm not sure. Is it apostle or his dad?

Jack: Somebody. I mean, we also got St. Patrick over there just running random crap. I don't know how.

Cristina: He's like, Super St. Patrick's Day. I think that's this month. I think that's a week away on Thursday. Happy St Patrick's but yes.

Jack: So we have a gift given to this kid to symbolize death. That's all that weird. I didn't know about that before.

Cristina: I don't know. I mean, we all die, so. So they gave him the circle of life. I don't know.

Jack: The circle of life. Here's some money, here is some incense, and here is some death.

Cristina: I don't know. None of those. It doesn't make sense.

Jack: But those things are kept atop the mountain. Now, what you said blew my mind, though. So are they. If there is some sort of hidden meaning, could the meaning be some attractor? Like what is atop the mountain?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Why can nobody go up there? Are these three elements just naturally up there? Did they come from atop the mountain? Is that what's happening?

Cristina: I thought you meant. I thought that's what you meant. But that's not what you meant. But that would have been so cool, man, if they were what? Or maybe they're natural in Atlantic, because we don't really know much about that.

Jack: We don't know what elements were there naturally.

Cristina: No. Is there any way to find out?

Jack: No. So that was just random. Random bits of things that have been out there, you know, just relics here and there. And so trying to. My idea was trying to connect, like how, how. How do all these dots cross? I find that Jesus is at the center of a lot of things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even when we ran through Adrenochrome, it kind of just casually cruised right through him. Just everything we do leads back to Jesus. I was like, okay, we have many problems like this, right? So here's just a couple of lists, just me brainstorming, trying to figure out really what's going on.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Okay. First, what are all the ancients like, the advanced civilizations? What were they avoiding? You know, what are. What future situation is it that they're dodging? Is it that they're trying to get away from? Some go underwater, some go underground, some go into space. But they're all leaving the surface of the Earth.

Cristina: But they're going underwater. You mean just they're.

Jack: They're. Yeah, they're leaving the. The, the. Yeah.

Cristina: Safer to be underwater than on the ground.

Jack: It's safer to be underground than on the ground.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What is it that they're all running from? So I wanted to answer that question. I just started crossing some lines. So random things. This is just lists I have of things. So things that are consistently tangled. If we have one, we'll have two or three or four. Sometimes all of them show up. That's Adrenochrome.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Christianity. Usually leading back to Jesus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Mount Athos, which is the most sudden thing that's just there persistently. Atlantis, it was always there, but we never really looked at too hard. The shadow realm, unicorns, which is a weird one that, like, you ignore it don't know. It connects to anything and then it suddenly connects to everything.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Space. Something about all of it has to do with space. Always weird. And the other side of the wall, of the flat earth wall, whatever other dimensional rift, that is that. So these are all characteristics that represent. When we're looking too deep into anything, these things show up. Always one of them, bare minimum. Bare minimum. One of these things shows up. And all of them have shown up many times over and over and over and over and over and over.

Cristina: So how do they relate?

Jack: How do they relate? These are the truths that keep sticking Out. How do they relate to.

Cristina: It's all nonsense. I don't know.

Jack: It sounds like a list of gibberish. Adrenochrome, Christianity, Mount Athos, Atlantis, the Shadow Realm, Unicorns, Space and the other side of the wall. But they do, often without too much effort. One of these shows up.

Cristina: What does the other side of the wall have to do with anything, though?

Jack: Groups of people and. Or philosophies. Atlantis and Christianity. Only two that show themselves.

Cristina: Show themselves?

Jack: Yeah. Only two that represent. On this line, groups of people that consistently show up. The only groups of people that consistently shop are Christianity and Atlantis. Those are really, really, honestly, the only two groups of people that are consistently showing up. Only two we can look at when it comes to consistency. What are locations? We got Mount Athos is a location. The Shadow Realm is a location. Space. And the other side of the wall. That's four. Four different locations.

Cristina: You think they're related?

Jack: No, no. They're just locations.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We have items. At this point, we treat the unicorn like an item because it doesn't seem that the use of a unicorn is as important as having the unicorn's horn. So items. Adrenochrome and alicorn.

Cristina: Not the unicorn.

Jack: Not the unicorn. Because they're using the parts of a unicorn. It doesn't seem like anybody's particularly interested in the unicorn itself.

Cristina: I think it's too hard to capture the unicorn, isn't it?

Jack: So you just get whatever sheds, which I do think must be what's happening.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That would explain how somebody could just walk up and grab it.

Cristina: Because they're too hard.

Jack: It's too hard. So just things. These are this. I just named this list. Things that are tangled.

Cristina: I don't know. Because Atlantis.

Jack: Yeah, we can follow triangle. Yeah, we can follow random trains of thought. Right. So like, adrenochrome directly connects to Jesus because Jesus probably is the first person to create some substantial form of adrenochrome, most likely the first vampire. So we have Jesus Christ through Christianity. They're worshiping that. There's some ritualization happening there, but whatever. Christianity directly tries to suppress Atlantis because of reasons.

Cristina: Because of Mary. If.

Jack: Because of Mary.

Cristina: Maybe she told him to do that. Maybe she's working with them.

Jack: Well, here's the thing. I think Mary was an Atlantean. For real.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: And they think that.

Cristina: Why would she want people to know that.

Jack: That she was an Atlantean? She's got to keep it a secret.

Cristina: Yeah. Why? What if she made some type of deal with the church?

Jack: Like like double agent deal, I guess. Like she's leading the church on.

Cristina: No, I mean, like, she just needs them to keep Atlantis a secret. She's the person that wants Atlantis a secret. It's not the church. They don't care what's a secret or not. Like, they just want all. Every information.

Jack: Do they care? Random thought. It is weird how it's worded that she gets cast from Atlantis.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Well, actually from the Persian Gulf oasis.

Cristina: Yes. But then she's accepted back.

Jack: We don't know that. That's us.

Cristina: Assuming there's no way she made that travel. If she didn't think like, oh, they're gonna take me back.

Jack: Then the question is this lady Mary is pregnant in the Persian Gulf oasis and she is cast out. We're gonna use cast. Very emphasized because I'm gonna talk about this word in a second. And then she crosses into territory that would later become the Christian territory, and then gave birth, waited the entire life cycle, and left to return to the same people she was, quote, cast by. They wanted the baby. The Catholic Church wanted the baby before he was born. Not even the Catholic Catholicism hasn't happened yet. No, the Jews wanted the baby. Somebody knew something.

Cristina: What will become Christianity? You're saying there's a group of people already worshiping? There was a group before Jesus, Yes.

Jack: They.

Cristina: I don't know, which makes sense, because the. The three kings are. Whatever. They're actually the magi or whatever.

Jack: The magi, yeah.

Cristina: There's people who already know beforehand that he was going to be born. So there's going to be a group of people who are worshiping him before he's ever born.

Jack: So my question is, were all the major cultures of the time fighting for who is going to give? Who's going to claim the child of God like this? You're trading something somehow for whatever reason. Because at this point, it seems like, okay, in my mind, highest bidder, who got it, okay, it's gonna go to the people of Bethlehem or whatever, you know, and it's like, whoa, why? What? So secret organization there, Whatever. What's the use? Why was it so important that you get to claim Jesus?

Cristina: Because they saw something special in him. They knew he was the son of God.

Jack: Maybe they all knew. But why was it that these were the people who got the baby instead of those other people who probably wanted him too?

Cristina: Because the deal with Mary.

Jack: I don't think the deal was with Mary, because why would then if she was cast, why would she be allowed back in? I am thinking caste is some Kind of incorrect translation. I think it was a deal between the people of the Persian Gulf oasis with whatever.

Cristina: The secret group that becomes Christianity.

Jack: Yes. I think that's what's happening. Because they took Mary back.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's a logical assumption to make. They took Mary back. That's why she disappeared atop the mountain where the Atlanteans already go. And they're just the people of the Persian Gulf.

Cristina: Voices, like, change all of history about.

Jack: Because he was born where. They were controlling the narrative.

Cristina: Okay. But that's what the Atlantics wanted. They don't want people to know about.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: They're the ones that want to keep the secret.

Jack: It was about getting rid of the need that people would have to find where the child of God was born.

Cristina: Mm. That was the important thing.

Jack: It was to hide Atlantis. She was doing it for Atlantis.

Cristina: Yes. That's too much information. Yeah. It's not that the baby was evil or anything. They just knew it was special. And it's gonna attract people. No, but then why have her leave? Because if she had the baby there, what would have been the difference?

Jack: What would have been the difference? But people already knew, which is what you already said. Maybe people were told. Maybe people would have looked infinitely. And they were avoiding that. They know. Even if we're hiding.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, even if Jesus lived in Atlantis his whole life, people still had visions of Jesus. Would have. Outside of Atlantis.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Because they were already having visions of Jesus before he was born.

Jack: Before he was born.

Cristina: So the only solution was to kick him out. Not really kick him out, but just. He can't be here if he's all, look for him here.

Jack: That is. Holy crap. That's amazing. You had to kick Jesus out in order to stop the attention from coming to Atlantis. People were having. You're totally right. You're totally right. They were having visions about Jesus thousands of years before he was born.

Cristina: That's why they needed to change the whole story. That's why they needed him white. It wasn't like the church was being evil or anything. I mean, they're probably still evil.

Jack: I mean. Yeah.

Cristina: They have infinite power.

Jack: Like, of course. But that wasn't even part of the plan. It was. The church was built around. And obviously that's why it always looks like lies and like there's holes left and right.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because the whole point of the church is an institution to really actually, in fact, the truth. Maybe the church was created by the people of the Persian Gulf oasis. Maybe the church was the original group. We're gonna go hide as Far from here as possible, where nobody's ever gonna find us. You few elite sold that we're going to leave out here. We're going to task you with the only job of making sure nobody ever finds us.

Cristina: That they have their own people on their mountain just hanging out and throwing books on top for some reason.

Jack: Nobody can go up top to the mountain, though.

Cristina: It has to do something with Atlantis. It's not just about the animals. There's something there about Atlantis as well.

Jack: It's weird that they left the area. Usually when you think of biblical things, there's an area of effect that seems to be the important area. So like, if you leave where old school Jehovah used to chill, he probably wouldn't know. And like, he's not gonna go follow you. You know, he affected this one region and that's all he ever affected. Yes, but the people of the Persian Gulf oasis did in fact move after a virgin was pregnant with the child that would then become.

Cristina: You said they moved.

Jack: They moved where? To Atlantis.

Cristina: Oh, was that after? Yeah, that didn't seem related.

Jack: It's. No, I'm not saying it's definitely happened after the fact.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because she left the Persian Gulf oasis.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now, they eventually went into Atlantis and they left people behind with the task of erasing their existence, which then later became the corrupt church. It's just the people who were here doing their job did do their job, but they did their job. You know, generations and generations down the line, this giant institution continues to modernize, morph, and holds on to powers it was given.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Is that essentially what's happening?

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: And then all these artifacts are just again, in an effort to hide. They don't even hide the fact that they're hiding things. They just hide things. They let you know they're hiding things. You just. You're used to them hiding things. You don't really question a lot of it. But they commonly hide things.

Cristina: But they wouldn't say they're hiding a lances.

Jack: No, they're just hiding a bunch of things that could confirm if put together in a perfect picture get made and parts of story be factually confirmed.

Cristina: Okay. See, But I don't think we'll ever find that out.

Jack: That's just random crap that's tangled up together. Yeah. There's also things that seem to be opposites.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: There's. In three different occasions, we have three different things that seem to be opposite. Number one is adrenochrome and alicorn. They somehow seem to Be more or less similar, but also opposite and different in the same ways that they're the same.

Cristina: They might be the same.

Jack: Well, no. One is just a bone and the other one is straight up jacked up, adrenaline filled blood from fear.

Cristina: True.

Jack: Like they're very different.

Cristina: But I think unicorns might come from that other place where the creatures feed.

Jack: Off of adrenochrome or their fairies can hop between both. But it's unknown where they come from.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. That means Atlantis is actually just. Then it's not really located on Earth.

Jack: Well, no, because the problem is that we. Unless we're saying that it's not. If it is a fairy, than Atlantis is magic and those aren't normal people. Like, I guess God was born there for a reason. Like that's essentially, you know, Mount Olympus. You know? Essentially. Yeah, exactly. Would have to be right at that point. If it's magic, then that's Mount Olympus.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: If it's science and no, then yeah, they just made the horse.

Cristina: But maybe, I don't know. It's so complicated when you take. You think about what the other side is and the fairies and everything.

Jack: But it could be because again, the shadow realm is a freaking place and so much crap goes through there.

Cristina: Yes, it comes here and does crap.

Jack: But a unicorn doesn't seem to be in inciting fear and is in particularly peaceful places. In fact, the place that's particularly peaceful of all places. And that's the only place that it's seen. So it's not really using fear to show up.

Cristina: It's crown. It's crown. Horn isn't peaceful. It drives people mad.

Jack: It kind of does. Just the knowledge of it. But I think that's more about. I think that has more to do with human tendency.

Cristina: Are you sure? What if the whole unicorn is feeding off of that madness? How do you know?

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: It might be the most peaceful thing in the world, but like, because it's.

Jack: Sucking, it's like throwing any negativity outward.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Interesting. You think that the horn is making people go mad.

Cristina: Yeah. They want you to find that horn.

Jack: That's an actual fascinating kind of horror version of a unicorn.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That reminds me of that Santa Claus from Love of Death and Robots.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like that idea of like, yeah, it's still just as beautiful and just as majestic, but you're slowly gonna spiral into madness while you're around it.

Cristina: Mm. What if that makes so much sense too though?

Jack: That makes so much sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But they, that means they do get it. It is just a horse up to shedding. It is a magic horn. It is a fairy of some sort.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it is shedding these horns that people are picking up. And you could do a lot.

Cristina: You will die.

Jack: You're gonna go crazy. But it takes knowing about it.

Cristina: Take something about. Yeah. Because you don't have to have it to go crazy.

Jack: You just need to know about it.

Cristina: Yeah. Like the people who did have it went crazy and died.

Jack: And people were around it.

Cristina: Yes. Still went crazy.

Jack: The school was hidden.

Cristina: They killed each other.

Jack: No. The people who didn't hear about it. No. If the school was just hidden in a public area and nobody knew that, it was just a secretly study the alicorn.

Cristina: But we don't know how many people in that school died.

Jack: Nobody in the school died. That happened later. They keep in mind they left the school to look for more scholars. They were perfectly fine. They built a school and the school was fine because nobody knew that the alicorn was there. Nothing happened to the people around there. Meanwhile, just word that somewhere across this border that stretches away God knows how many miles, somebody has alicorn. People who were further from the alicorn. Then somebody hearing about it at that very moment was from the school. And the people would go crazy immediately go crazy and go try to get it.

Cristina: Yeah, there's something magical happening.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: There's something other side. Like. I don't know.

Jack: It's really weird. Right.

Cristina: So that it is related somehow.

Jack: Right. They seem, or, I don't know, similar but different. They seem opposite. Like, I don't think they're related in that there's any real connection. They're just very similarly used.

Cristina: I don't know. There's so much like fairies. It's so hard not to see them.

Jack: But then adrenochrome has nothing to do with it. Fairies have nothing to do with adrenochrome.

Cristina: I'm pretty sure they do.

Jack: No, fairies don't need adrenochrome. Fairies travel both sides equally.

Cristina: Yes, but aren't they always, like pranking people and stuff? They're always.

Jack: What does that have to do with adrenochrome?

Cristina: Because they're getting something from people.

Jack: Not all fairies. Some fairies are majestic.

Cristina: I don't know. Are there any fairies like that? I don't know. They all seem dangerous.

Jack: There are very dangerous fairies out there. But there are fairies that are just peaceful. But the other thing that is tied to. To those two things are our realm and the shadow realm. There are many other realms and there are Many dimensions, but they don't connect somehow. The way that the shadow realm specifically connects with our realm. They seem equal, but opposite realm.

Cristina: And their realm, the shadow realm, the shadow room. Yeah. Yes, they are the opposite. I don't know. But they're not. Are they the same thing? I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. The tangled in weird ways. They're layered on top of each other.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then universe one and universe three, obviously opposite, equal something there. Now, people who saw tragedies coming and made measures are the Maya, the Egyptians and the Atlanteans. And they all, for whatever reason, took their different things underground, underwater, into space.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now, why the Mayans and Egyptians also did the thing. If we follow the logic that we just established that the Atlanteans became the Atlanteans after they left the Persian Gulf oasis and established a organization to help suppress the existence of the Atlanteans. So how. The story makes perfect sense. But the Mayans and the Egyptians also fled. What was the point?

Cristina: Maybe they wanted them to. Maybe it wasn't fleet of. They weren't fleeting.

Jack: Fleeing.

Cristina: Fleeing. They weren't fleeing the Atlanteans. They owe them so much. Maybe they told them, get out of here. Not in those words, but, you know.

Jack: But why? For what benefit?

Cristina: I don't know why they wanted to keep themselves a secret. Something must have happened that we don't know. There's a missing piece of why they want to be kept a secret. Even though beforehand there was a point where they were sharing everything with everyone. So something happened, or they saw something that was gonna happen, that they were like, nah, we're not gonna be involved anymore. We gotta be hidden. While they were doing the exact opposite beforehand, before Jesus, pre Jesus, they were sharing everything with everyone.

Jack: And you're saying all three of these people had the same. So the Atlanteans told. Okay, everybody. And that explains all the missing.

Cristina: Yes, because they cared about those. Or not care. I don't know.

Jack: All the people around the equator, many of these people just bloop off the face of the Earth.

Cristina: Yes. The most advanced people, in their eyes, not as advanced as them, but like the ones that they personally advanced.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: They were like, you gotta go away. Because they decided we're not gonna do this with the rest of the world. I don't know why. Why they specifically were like, we're gonna share everything with, then decide. Okay, now let's keep ourselves a secret.

Jack: Yeah. We're just gonna hide it now? What?

Cristina: Isn't that strange?

Jack: It is very Weird. They suddenly change your mind.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Then took only the people they advanced.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then fully vanish and leave behind none of the tech.

Cristina: No. Instead have the Church confuse everyone with exactly what happened.

Jack: Yes. Do effectively and almost every country allow some level of interaction, interacting with their. With their everything, essentially because the Catholic Church seems to somehow get away with interacting with everything. So you change the calendars so that everybody can be on the same schedule and the people know the people at top. You know, we Atlanteans are gonna put people in every possible country. You know, we're going to make sure that here's you with crazy tech blend in. You have the knowledge, you're going to put the seeds and together you're all going to evolve and make the thing happen so that us, as the group of Catholics, that we're going to make and take over and we're going to create this elaborate lie.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: But why? When take our homies.

Cristina: Jesus is our enemy. Especially if they take Mary back. It doesn't seem like.

Jack: It doesn't seem like it. It really seems like it was a privacy situation.

Cristina: But why if they weren't private beforehand.

Jack: They were particularly unprivate. They were sharing with everybody.

Cristina: That's what's confusing.

Jack: Like what happened to the Persian Gulf oasis people of the sea that they fled their home. And again, it's weird that if they gave. This is what I was trying to get to before. If they had the child in the Persian Gulf oasis and the. The land is the Holy Land. They left the Holy Land. Unless some quality about them is what led is there. Are their genetics holy or is the land holy? Did they abandon the Holy Land so that it wouldn't happen again and the next prophet had to come from there? Which is why they believe Muhammad Was Muhammad Iranian by some chance? Like, is he being born in that region? Is it always gonna be in the Persian Gulf oasis where the next prophet is bound born? And so they were okay with like, yeah, whoever wants to claim and claim him, we got the h*** out of there.

Cristina: But what I don't understand, did they get attacked? And who would attack them?

Jack: Who would attack them? Yep.

Cristina: Because I feel like that would be the only solution. Why would you hide yourselves if you're the most advanced thing out there and you're helping everyone advance to your level? Do you just realize, oh, there's someone more dangerous here and it's not the Church? Like it would be easy. Yeah, it would be so easy to point at them and say like they're the villain somehow.

Jack: But no, they Seem to just be part of whatever necessity to see people needed.

Cristina: What are they really scared of? Or who. Who are they really scared? It wasn't Jesus. It was someone.

Jack: Something that wanted Jesus.

Cristina: That wanted.

Jack: No, it wasn't even about Jesus. Getting rid of Jesus was somehow about removing attention.

Cristina: Exactly. For them to hide to a different location.

Jack: Yes. They abandoned the place.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now the question is, did they. Is the land the Holy Land?

Cristina: No, I think they. It was more important that they got out of there than anything.

Jack: No, I know that they got out of there. Do they not care? They could not. They could stop caring about the Holy Land.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Is the idea that they're leaving and the genetics that they have is going to create more Jesuses because that's just what they can do. Or is the next Jesus from the Persian Gulf is the land what's holy? Or was it the Atlanteans? Is the next group of people. They're gonna flourish. But then that never happened. But it could be happening now. It took them millions of years to get where they were. So whoever's there now, the current Iranians would be the people who would eventually rise to power. Because whatever about that will give them prosperity or something, Right?

Cristina: I guess. But why did they leave? That's. I don't know.

Jack: Why did they leave and what did they leave behind? Or did they take it?

Cristina: Did they take it? Like, whoa, What? Who was scaring them? Who was scaring them?

Jack: Were they scared?

Cristina: Were they scared? They had to be.

Jack: Maybe it's part of a plan we don't comprehend somehow. Because why would they? Why would they. It can't be fear. You're the most overpowered thing on this planet.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You easily just reshaped the Earth by creating the Catholic Church. Easily. You're. You're almost. In fact, you could have been already Civilization 1. Who knows? Maybe you're already consuming that level of energy.

Cristina: Maybe this is more about the gods than anything. Or the demigods. If we want to say that. If there's two different gods, remember that the whole thing about one God trying to get to Adam and Eve, maybe. Who are hidden in Atlantic.

Jack: You think that it was like the.

Cristina: They're not hiding from people.

Jack: Get rid of Mary, who has Jesus. Get him out. Then we're gonna all move. We have to hide the portal, the entrance, the gateway to the Garden of Eden.

Cristina: Yes. From that demigod or whoever. That other thing.

Jack: Yes. The once Adam and Eve.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Thicker plot.

Cristina: Yes. Maybe.

Jack: It could be. It could definitely be. We're just spitballing Here, man. I got nothing. This seems right so far.

Cristina: It seems right. Like what else are they gonna be afraid of? No one's advanced as they are. But there is a thing that's scarier than they are.

Jack: Which would have to be actual magic. Because we know bare minimum, whatever's on the other side of the shadow realm is not technology.

Cristina: Whatever it is though, wanted them dead. Maybe. I don't know. I don't know. Why would they care about Adam and Eve that much though? But they're hunting them.

Jack: There must be some real importance. So. So our focus should really be why Adam and Eve. That's the question we should be trying to answer.

Cristina: Because they're prototypes to us.

Jack: Maybe there's something valuable there.

Cristina: Yeah, like if you have the prototypes, you can make more.

Jack: But this is the most.

Cristina: And because you can get rid of us. Like weren't we killed off many times? But then. Then we somehow there's more of us anyway. With like Moses and whatever. Is it Moses? The one with the boat?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Who says their kids populated the earth? What if it was Adam and Eve that repopulated the earth after this?

Jack: Every time.

Cristina: Every time.

Jack: That's their purpose. Every time the apocalypse happens. Do it again.

Cristina: Yeah, could be.

Jack: Could be. And this is weird, but I guess it's accurate because this is like the start of like where they are on based born as always from Atlantis. And where the Messiah is born from is also Atlantis. Is that. Is that the idea here? Like they both come from the sea people? I guess the location doesn't matter because they move. Yes, that's. The location is obscure. The sea people.

Cristina: The sea people aren't even important. I think is the Adam and Eve part is the important part.

Jack: But how are they in charge of protecting Adam and Eve? How is that relevant? How do they connect? They're just technology.

Cristina: More children of Adam and Eve. I don't know.

Jack: Could be.

Cristina: Their duty is to protect the people that will create more of us if something horrible happens. If they do see a future where we stop existing because we. Whatever. Apocalypse because we're attacking each other or whatever. The situation with global warming. Whatever you wanted to say is the end of the world reason they have. They have a restart.

Jack: Holy crap. Dude. Yeah. Yeah, that totally makes sense. 100%. That's why it's. It wasn't just them. And what is underneath the Sphinx? A freaking archive, bro. An archive of what? Of the data from Atlantis. The specs for construction and all the data of the Atlanteans. What's beneath the Mayan structures. Another giant cache of information. Interesting. What is it? Archives. Specifically what? The construction details and all of the records from the Atlanteans. And then these three civilizations, the Atlanteans, the Mayans and the Egyptians, all poof into thin air. All disappeared. All go nowhere. Okay, so they left with a bunch of information. And if they contain Adam and Eve, presumably the information to restart humanity is there.

Cristina: And it's just important information to keep.

Jack: It's important information to keep. You gotta make sure it stays safe. Split it up, make copies of it.

Cristina: Keep it. So once whatever happens to us happens to us, and there's no more us.

Jack: Get somebody, they already have somebody off the planet. Bury somebody in the ground and put one in the water. And the people in the ground. It's not just in the ground. It's digital, too.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So there's all the data. All the data replicated over and over, hidden many different places. You're assuring replication is possible?

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: I think so, too.

Cristina: That makes sense. And also, they're hiding from a demigod, or whatever we want to call him.

Jack: Something that's after them.

Cristina: Yes, from the other side. But I think it's because he wants them. And maybe that's why, because he wants people to worship him.

Jack: He wants to start over with himself as the God.

Cristina: Yeah. So he needs those two to repopulate the Earth after. If he could get rid of us. But he's not gonna get rid of us if he doesn't have them, because then there will be no one to worship him.

Jack: That checks out pretty hard.

Cristina: Yeah. As long as they hide him, I guess we're safe from whatever this thing is.

Jack: And the Catholic Church is the one who are helping the most with that.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. How odd. No, this doesn't make sense somehow. And yet somehow it does.

Jack: Somehow makes perfect sense. Which is weird, but we'll have to pack this another time where we've totally run over time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But definitely.

Cristina: Whoa. I think. I think we got something. We're touching something.

Jack: We're touching something. We made hella progress right now because we collected a lot of information. We had more to work with this time to really, like. Why does a bunch of this look the same? I know. The dots are connecting one way or another. Pretty good picture we're building.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay, so, guys, you can contact us as usual on all socials. Just convopod. That's on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, wherever.

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Jack: That's a problem we have. We. Could we classify the things we don't understand is crazy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just right off the bat, they're crazy. They're strange or weird. What they're doing is not normal, I guess. No, it's not. What they're doing is. Even if it's common, we've, like, divided the words normal and common, although they mean relatively the same things.

Cristina: Do you have examples of something common and normal? Yeah, like that. You would say it's one or the other. You're saying.

Jack: No, I'm saying the words used to be the same thing.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But we've divided the words, so even if something is common, we will still think it's not normal. So, for example, in the past, nerds were common but not normal. Now they're common and normal. Yeah, they were always normal, technically speaking.

Cristina: But the rest of the people didn't want to see them as normal.

Jack: Yeah. And that's strange that we would just opt into dividing those words. Every school had nerds.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Everybody knows a nerd. If you don't know a nerd, it's cause you are the f****** nerd.

Cristina: Okay, say that again.

Jack: If you don't know a nerd, it's because you are the f****** nerd.

Cristina: Yes, I think I'm the nerd. No, I think I know the nerds. Oh, man. It's both situations. I don't know.

Jack: You know nerds, and you are a nerd. Wubba dub a dub dub luba.

Cristina: Good night. Good morning.

Jack: Wubba dubba dub dub. Wubba dubba dub dub luba dub.

Cristina: Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

March 04, 2023

Rambling 216: The Persian Golf Oasis AKA Atlantis

March 04, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Were the Atlanteans real? If so, can we prove it? And if we can prove it, who went out of their way to hide the truth and why? The duo unpack the true history of the Persian Gulf Oasis people, their history, records of their existence and where they fled to. Uncovering where they fled, why, and who took the opportunity to suppress their existence becomes a tale as old record keeping itself.

+Episode Details

Atlantis
Naval Rival of Athens
Sea Peoples
Egyptians
The Persian Gulf
Mayans
A Future Tragedy
Philosopher Philo
Technological Advancements
Mayan Glyphs
The Height of Atlantis
The Bronze Atlanteans
Catholic Suppression Effort
The Virgin from The Persian Gulf
Jesus Christ the Son of the Persians
The Atlantic Ocean

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+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is a show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today, there is quite the series of baffling ideas. Something that we've been kind of trapped. It's. It's an infinite, infinite loop of the same crap over and over. We can't even escape it. I've tried.

Cristina: You've trapped us in this loop. We're time travelers. Time travelers. Time travelers, like how they get stuck in a loop once they start using a time machine, which we did before all of this happened with Jesus.

Jack: I forgot that happened. And yes, absolutely is kind of sort of the case.

Cristina: Although this is somewhat unrelated. Right? This isn't related to Jesus.

Jack: I wish.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: No, it came full circle. This. This came full circle. It came full circle. We're trapped. I'm telling you, it's a loop. It's infinite.

Cristina: Okay, so.

Jack: So, okay, I need to, like, recap everything that has happened so that everybody knows, and I'm gonna give you episode numbers and everything. There's much more episode numbers that aren't in this list. I'm only talking about the recent stuff. There are many episodes from long ago that include ancient civilizations. That's talking about the Mayans, what happened to the Egyptians, what happened to the Mayans. Other episodes that include the Atlanteans roughly brushed over. Things that include unicorns, Rush roughly brushed over as well. Mythical creatures and things of that nature. But we have recently gotten stuck in a series that we can't seem to escape by any means. And it's kind of getting aggravating because the hole falls deeper and deeper. But I think we. We brushed over the main point, like, two or three episodes ago, and that gave us a direction as to where to go, which is how we landed at the most recent episode. And that took us here. So let me go through the idea. First we went, which was rambling, to 11. We were talking about unicorns. We were trying to figure out how to catch Santa Claus because unicorns have very similar magic. This started on a very ridiculous note, as usual. We f*** around a lot, and things sometimes make sense. You find two things that have the same abilities, more or less, and then you go and find the thing and try to, you know, make it make sense. So we went. We tried to break it down, try to understand how unicorns, their magic is so Similar to adrenochrome. And their blood is so similar to adrenochrome. And like, people really fixate on unicorns Dangerously, almost.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: Minus the fact that it doesn't change people.

Cristina: But they all seem to die and become alive. Even though it's something that keeps everyone alive forever.

Jack: Yes. After they become obsessed with it. Because the thing is, nobody ever gets a hold of it. The attempt to get it gets you killed.

Cristina: But even the people who had it died.

Jack: They didn't know how to use it. They were studying it. Everybody was trying to figure it out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And died in the process. That's the problem. While adrenochrome also gives you immortality, it almost always works too. And like, you're kind of good forever. You might lose your mind if you don't get it, but you're good forever no matter what. Its effects are permanent. While it seems like with the unicorn magic, not so much, but. Okay. So we go through the unicorns and we find a couple of odd things here and there and we diverge away. We're like, okay, we're good. We got enough information on this. I found something real interesting, guys. There's an old equator. There's an old equator that encircles vertically instead of horizontally on how we usually see the map. And it has a bunch of locations. But it's really weird because there's a lot of structures along this. Structures should, in theory, not have known that the old equator exists because we hadn't come up with physics. We have.

Cristina: What episode is that?

Jack: That's episode 212.

Cristina: Okay. And the next episode, though. Yeah.

Jack: So we, we dive in and we are breaking apart the equal details of the equator. And it's.

Cristina: Is that when we start talking about unicorns again or we just. We don't mention the unicorns in the episode.

Jack: We don't mention the equators in the episode. We just, you know, we're going through it, we're realizing that it's kind of strange that people who don't have the science, they don't have the math, they don't have the physics, they don't have the astrological know how or the understanding of Earth. They don't have the navigation ability, capacity, or the ability to get anywhere fast enough for within 100, 200 years to establish a clean line straight across the world in which entire civilizations built their monuments. They must have started all at the same time to have them built around the same time. That was incredibly strange. Really, really, really weird. And in going through this right we find out that one, it's called the great Circle. That is the old equator. There are many ancient sites on it, but there's one particular impressive site, the Pyramids of Giza, which we've talked about before as being particularly impressive things that exist. And the Pyramid of Giza is lined up with the constellations, and it lined up in such a way that its coordinates are identical to the speed of light. If you simply move the decimal point and change no numbers, just hinting towards extremely advanced technologies or sciences that should have been impossible for them at that time. Obviously, the instant paranoia of aliens, help them figure it out, or whatever, those came into question. But there was only one way to solve the problem of the old equator, and it was to find out. It was to find out how exactly they got the information. And it all pointed to one specific thing, roughly. And we had to assert a lot of things, but it claimed that one of the places needed to have highly.

Cristina: Advanced technologies, which would be Atlantis, which.

Jack: Lands in the Persian Gulf, which is also in the old equator. So it was perfectly placed that there would be one group of people who have extremely advanced technologies that could then give it to everybody else across the old equator along the planet. All of this checks out, except we had to assert it. But we know already, through enough research, that this spot is where Atlantis is said to have been by many different sources, but, you know, incoherent and not the greatest traceable, important details. They called it a paradise. The Persian Gulf oasis is what a lot of places called it.

Cristina: Before, it wouldn't be called Atlantis Pisa. Atlantis means it would be in the Atlantic Ocean. And this isn't the Atlantic Ocean.

Jack: This is just exactly. Okay, yes, you're on the right track. So the Persian Gulf oasis was the original name of this place. And according to any source, they were always very advanced technologically. Okay, so we're done with that episode. We're like, cool. Cool beans, bro.

Cristina: Cool beans.

Jack: Cool beans. We got info on things and stuff, and it kind of made sense the way we usually do, because we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then you follow up with, wait, but what about last week's episode about unicorns? I'm curious as to what's magic about unicorns. Is there a proof of magic? And to which I was like, fair enough. There was a lot of stories of magic, but it wasn't any proof of magic. So fair enough. I'd go, I go on this journey to show you the proof. I'm a pretty good researcher. So I go on my route and find the things I need to find my yellow brick road.

Cristina: And that's when we discover that guy.

Jack: Antonio Dracos.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: Antonio Draco centers the picture. He's a weird individual. He was mentioned roughly before when we were talking about unicorns. Just glazed over. Some dude who was mentioned when we were talking about unicorns.

Cristina: This is when we go in depth of his history and all that with the unicorn.

Jack: Yes. So this is episode 213. But back in the unicorn episode, we were. As we were going through details of unicorn, there were three mentions of unicorns in, like journals that people kept back then. Very rough, basic. Oh, I saw a guy who did the thing. One particular weird one was a ship captain was keeping actual records of the passengers aboard his ship. And he noticed a couple of weird things, including the guy who was the merchant, who was nameless merchant at that point. And he had what he was claiming was unicorn horn alicorn. And he made some potions and things out of it. And he gave people. He didn't see a particular case of a person who showed up crippled but left perfectly fine. But he knew people were taking it. So he asserted that perhaps this person had taken the potion and it literally healed them. That was as close as we got to proof of the magic. And then you wanted actual proof. So here we are, we dive into the guy who had it. Apparently there were records of him existing in many locations. And it was actually really easy to track this guy down after you find his name. So we went down that road, which began with a lot of public records. Now, most of these public records came from the same sources which were old. Old ancient Greek records. I say ancient, but that's an exaggeration of 1700s. 17. It begins actually at 1730, where it.

Cristina: Keeps track of this guy that's not really ancient.

Jack: Not ancient. Old.

Cristina: Yeah, old.

Jack: Very old. Public records. Now, where these public records become particularly important is that they really do manage to track this guy's entire existence, kind of excessively. So we find out that he gets the. He gets the unicorn horn from some dude named John, and he takes it and establishes a school where he tries to study it with a bunch of people. And these people then go on a quest to find other people. They cross an area, people find out they had the unicorn horn.

Cristina: There's some war that breaks out.

Jack: Yeah, the war breaks out between the Turkish and the Russians just trying to get a hold of the magical horn that they thought they found. And, okay, a lot of things happening. So Mystical horn. It's called alicorn when you have it. It's the material that the horn is made out of. You can make potions out of it. Unicorns particular tears are also powerful. But we don't have this. This is just data being talked about. There is blood from unicorns that is also said to be extremely powerful. But again, we're talking about the horn at this point. But these are just data points that this man comes up with doing research and asking around about unicorns. Now the Greek merchant crosses through the entire Russian area, through the Turkish area. The war breaks out and okay, great, fantastic. They gotta get the h*** out of there. The guy who he showed it originally with, in that they established a school, gets murdered. Eventually he gets killed too. The horn disappears. Now, going backwards, we find out that the very first thing John the Russian said is that I found this very important thing that you must keep safe atop a mountain called Athos.

Cristina: Yes. And that's where the next episode comes in.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Because the next episode is us truly trying to establish how the h***. How the. Like really, really. It's bugging me at this point. How are the people on the equator, realistically minus Atlantis, doing? How did. How did it happen? How did they put these structures on the old equator? So we go trying to find the missing link. We go and we find when language began in order to have records in the first place. Just talking, just talking. When they could communicate complicated structures. So we had to find out when conversation started. We have to find out when tools were built, because that's what's going to allow you to make these complicated structures in the first place. But just for the sake of it. We also went far back enough to find out how far back life began.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Where intellect began work, the conscious behavior that we now consider to be intelligent life that would later become humans began all these little details. And it so happened that it's way too far later after the equator. The old equator was 480 million years ago. And the beginning of this process was only about a hundred million years ago. That is an excess. And conversation really began, actually was 2.5 million years ago, when the intellect were aware of and the first words were ever spoken and the first tools were built. But humans as we know them right now happened about a hundred thousand years ago. And the first words that would later become sentences happen there, which actual sentences and complex language happening about 50,000 years ago, way far from 480 million years ago. We're way gone. And I'm talking really, really Fast right now, intentionally trying to do this recap as fast as possible, because there is a lot to go through. Now, the tools that we first found were the alderman tools. Those were what would later become the H*** sapiens. Atlantis is first mentioned in Greek records, as far as we knew. But we will correct that shortly when we put together many, many other records. Unicorn dust, unicorn horns, all mentioned briefly throughout this. And then we just quickly go over the prehistoric eras and the oldest known structures, which are way too new, with the oldest being about 12,000 years ago. And that is way too new compared to the old equator being 480 million years ago. The first advanced tools, not advanced tools, but basic tools being 2.5 million years ago. First words being spoken 100,000 years ago. First complicated sentences being spoken 50,000 years ago, and these structures first arising 12,000 years ago. There is a clusterfuck of incorrect timelines happening here. The solution we had was it's probably Atlantis. And we do a tiny bit of a deep dive there and really kind of comb through all the things necessary to find out. Yeah, okay, fair enough. If we insert this group of people who exist in the Persian Gulf oasis.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Then we solve a lot. They have to be able to accomplish things that seem impossible, but we say, hey, we figured it out. It had to be some. Either aliens or somebody was just advanced enough to do it. And we know that at least the Egyptians were way more advanced than we give them credit for. So, okay, we move on, and we go to Mount Athos, where we found out about the unicorns. This immediately gets astoundingly weird. Yes. When we find out. Hey, apparently, according to Greek records, the Atlanteans were there. Huh? The Atlanteans that were trying to solve the problem with the equator from.

Cristina: Yes. Riding on their Pegasus.

Jack: Yeah, riding on their Pegasus, landing atop Mount Athos for whatever reason. The same mountain where they're said to be unicorns. The same mountain where the Catholics are stopping people from going to the top.

Cristina: Wait, is that the same episode or that's the next episode?

Jack: It's all the same episode. This is the latest episode.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: That's 2015.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Where we see the unicorns are top of the mountain. The same mountain that a Russian named John said would have things. We also found out in a previous episode when we were talking about the records that two different records mentioned atop Mount Athos, they had come across unicorn horns.

Cristina: Yes. And we also found out that Mary somehow ended up there with a Pegasus, maybe. Question mark. Or a unicorn. I forgot what she wrote on.

Jack: She got there on a boat that got pushed off course on her way to Cyprus. And on her way to Cyprus, she got there, got lost, found this paradise island, and then she took a horse to the top of the mountain. But when you look at the mountain, that's kind of impossible because it's steep. In a really absurd kind of fashion.

Cristina: It had to be a unicorn.

Jack: It had to be a unicorn.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: Because traveling essentially vertical.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: The virgin thing makes sense because she was a virgin. Yeah. That was a very important detail that didn't make sense to you back then? No, yeah, no, of course. Yeah. She was on a unicorn that allowed her to go to the top of the mountain. This all fits. Little by little, all the pieces just fell into place. So this thing about the top of the mountain becomes quite intriguing. And we find out that the Christians stole a book from the Russians. There are many monasteries there. The Christians stole a book from the Russians and took it to the very top of the mountain where nobody travels. There have been 20 people in the last thousand years who have gone to the top, to the summit of the mountain. Nobody's allowed up there. It is the holiest ground, presumably because Virgin Mary went up there. Nobody's allowed to step foot up there, no matter what. We also discussed how Mount Athos came to be. There was a fight between Poseidon and Athos the giant, and either Poseidon threw a rock there or Athos was buried there, whatever the case might be. Now, weird things. Many relics are on this place. A bunch of these relics are on top at the summit, hidden with important details. But the most important is the fact that a pointless bestiary, that's what was taken. That's the book that was taken. A pointless bestiary. And there's only one thing that's particularly weird in that the mention of unicorns.

Cristina: How do you know that's mentioned in that bestiary? Are you assuming that it is?

Jack: No, because that is what the records say. It's a bestiary with the mention of unicorns. It is the same bestiary that was recorded in Russia. It was brought here as they were keeping records of all the different creatures, and then it was confiscated by the Christians and taken to the top of the mountain, where they refused to let anybody go. So a bcre that claims proof of unicorns, identifies them quite specifically, was taken to the top of a mountain. So nobody can look at it. Weird.

Cristina: Very weird. Okay.

Jack: And that's all at the summit of Mount Athos.

Cristina: And that is a good summary of.

Jack: Everything that we talked about, now we are caught up. So let's go through details. I found individually, just deep diving into the people we're trying to use to solve this problem, the Atlanteans.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: So first we have to keep in mind the Atlanteans is the name we're going with right now for very specific reasons which we will get to Atlanteans. And important because Atlantis important. Okay. So the Atlanteans were direct naval rivals of Athens, the Greek.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The only thing that kept them at peace was Mount Athos, a trade point. They would arrive at Mount Athos on their Pegasus on top of the mountain, come down, trade with the people in the surrounding regions, and then leave. That's why Mount Athos is considered, although in Greece, a suffering state of its own. It is neutral territory between these two countries. Between everybody. Yeah, it's neutral territory on Earth. That's why there's so many different monasteries of different religions there from different countries and different belief systems. This is a peace location. Very, very important peace location. Treaties of all sorts. No blood is to be spilled on this mountain. Now, about the Atlanteans. There is a couple of things that aren't understood. Where did they go? When they were in the Persian Gulf, there was the Great Flood, which potentially cleared them out. That is when the Earth got flooded. Because of the position of where they were, there's a million rivers headed their way. While other locations would have sea levels rise significantly, although the water here wouldn't rise significantly, it would still head in their direction through the rivers. Many, many, many rivers. Which means they would suffer the worst consequences because from every direction, water is coming full force and it's going to smash into you. Crazy. Now, weirdly enough, we have situations. Two specific situations of people in Mass. 1, an entire series of population disappearing. The other, many people from a location disappearing. Those are the Egyptians and the Mayans. Very important that we mention these people right now.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The Mayans allegedly go underground. We know that there are complicated tunnels, people disappeared, no trace. We're assuming graves on the ground. But assuming their technology was as advanced as suggested, they could have had electronics, they could be plugged into the Matrix, which is an episode we did a long time ago talking about the possibilities of that.

Cristina: We got to find that yourself.

Jack: Yeah. The other thing is the Egyptians that happen to have quite complicated technology engraved into the pyramids of Giza, they have instructions to use heavy technology. They have instructions on creating batteries and instructions on using a singularity based entanglement device. Which doesn't even make sense. And that is ritual. Ridiculously advanced for people who were thousands of years ago when they built this. That's okay. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Where'd you get it, bro? But. Okay, we'll leave that where it is and keep it moving. The Egyptians used to call the Atlanteans sea people.

Cristina: Okay. They live in the sea?

Jack: Well, they lived in the Persian Gulf.

Cristina: Is that a sea?

Jack: No, it's like a. I mean, I guess you could call it a sea. It's just very small. It's in between a bunch of countries in a small. It's more like a ginormous lake or something. It's a body of water, but I don't think it's a sea. Then again, you can call that a sea, I guess. It's not an ocean.

Cristina: Okay, fair enough.

Jack: It could be a sea. But they would call them the Sea People. Not that the. The name has to be literal or anything. Now, things we know about the Atlanteans. The Atlanteans are settled in the Persian Gulf at the height of their civilization's development. Cool. As recorded in Greek and Russian records. We confirmed this before that they were mentioned not just by the Greek, but by the Russians. And then as we kept looking, we found records from other people. I don't remember exactly who they were, but there were like six or seven sources continuously mentioning the. Actually, one of them was the Bulgarians as well. I remember that. So there, you know, there's a couple of records and mentions of the Atlanteans from different sources. So, okay, it's a little more valid that these people existed and perhaps helped to some manner, shape or form. Everybody who mentions them claims they are astoundingly advanced. More advanced than us is on every text possible. So one of two things occurred. As I said, either the Atlanteans were drowned during the Great Flood, which is likely a result of the comet that hit. Giant meteor that came from space, hit the water, created the flood, killed the dinosaurs, whatever. Presumably our timeline on that is messed up. And it wasn't the dinosaurs that died there. The dinosaurs died because of one rock hitting the Earth. But a different rock hit the Earth at some point, creating the Great Flood. Either that happened or predicting an incoming tragedy. Similar to the Egyptians and the Mayans, they fled, but in a different method. While the Mayans went underground and the Egyptians went to space, it is likely.

Cristina: They went to the Atlantic Ocean.

Jack: They went into the Atlantic Ocean away from the Persian Gulf, where the water is too turbulent. Anything that happens will shake that whole s*** up. But if you go to the center of the ocean, water is moving above you. You're nice and safe. Logic.

Cristina: How?

Jack: How what?

Cristina: That they did that. That's crazy.

Jack: How did they do what?

Cristina: Go in the. Under the ocean.

Jack: If we can go under the ocean. Now we're talking about people who are more advanced than we are.

Cristina: We can't go deep into the ocean though, right?

Jack: That's why we're talking about people more advanced than we are. We can go pretty deep. And we're like nothing compared to people who had the ability to submerge an entire city. Assuming that's the people we're talking about. That's beyond our capacity and our understanding. And again, we can go pretty deep in a tiny little submarine. Imagine people with the technology to travel around the entire Earth. Have sophisticated numerology in order to coordinate several different civilizations and align one to constellations and know the speed of light, cross reference these things and do it simultaneously. Like, okay. Definitely the least of our problems is how they did it. It would be too easy for them to do it.

Cristina: But why under water instead of in space? I guess if they knew, if they had the science to travel in space.

Jack: Why go to space if you don't need to go so far? I don't understand the question. Why go to space if you don't need to go so far?

Cristina: I don't know. It seems like they were into space.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Why would they not want to travel space?

Jack: No, it seems like the Egyptians were into space.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And it seems like the Mayans were into the ground.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. I don't understand. What about the Atlanteans makes you think they were into space?

Cristina: Because I thought they were the ones that helped the Egyptians figure all that stuff out.

Jack: Yes, but they helped the Egyptians figure it out. There's no mention of them ever doing anything space related other than helping the Egyptians out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In fact, the other plethora of civilizations had nothing to do with space. Some people were just building clocks to tell time on Earth. Like really complicated exact clocks, things that measured exact dates. Like that's all just based on Earth. There was only one group of people who were. It seems like every group of people had a different purpose to some degree.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Some underground, some in the space, some tracking time, some tracking this and checking that. So it's not like they were about one thing. If anything, they were trying to capitalize on all the different things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they didn't have anybody capitalizing on the ocean, so they took that one themselves. Also one of the more complicated things, because you can go to space, there's no pressure up there. It's harder to go underwater because. Immense amount of pressure.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The further down you go, the less likely somebody is to follow you. Somebody can follow you into space. The Egyptians could have easily followed the Atlanteans had they gone to space, because the Egyptians themselves could have done it. But could the Egyptians have followed the Atlanteans to the deepest depths of the ocean? With that level of pressure, you could hide from anybody down there. Nobody will ever find you. In fact, that's literally the case. If you're down there, how the h*** are we ever gonna know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's no way we can get to you. So those are the two possible situations. Now we have to consider the different people that mentioned the Atlanteans. Plato mentioned. And Socrates mentioned. This guy mentioned that. That guy mentioned. A whole bunch of people were talking about how they've been, where they've been. The first on record mention was in fact Plato.

Cristina: Yes, about. They're like 9,000 years more advanced than them or something.

Jack: So the mental. Actually that's not even Plato who said that that information came out much later, calculating the data that they had. Yeah. The information is that they were about 900,000 to about a million years ahead of the Egypt oceans at their height.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: So they must have peaked back then. That far back. And that they've just been coasting kind of from that point.

Cristina: Okay. And what the. Pluto.

Jack: Say Pluto.

Cristina: Plato, Plato.

Jack: It doesn't matter what Plato says. He was just the first dimension.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: We're talking about Philo. He claimed the Atlantis. The Atlantis was larger than Africa and Asia and that it wasn't even a great flood that took a mount, but rather an immense earthquake. This is directly conflicting with everything.

Cristina: Yes. So is it just another continent that went underground?

Jack: Essentially, he aimed towards the heaviest version of science. It wasn't some random event that. Like no biblical event. It just the tectonic plates shifted and this place sank as a result.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: His theory is it's still in the Persian Gulf at the bottom. Mmm. Weird. Totally different story. Now, he also claimed that it wasn't just technologically advanced, but the embodiment of a utopia. It was paradise.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Hence the name the Persian oasis.

Cristina: Mm. Makes sense.

Jack: Now, technologies were claimed to be more advanced than current day technologies by miles. We're talking that at that time, they claimed that where we are now is insignificant by comparison to what they thought those people were capable of. Yes, they Thought these people were capable of instantaneous travel from any point on Earth to any other point on Earth. That's something we didn't even know. Instantaneous travel. The unicorns and the Pegasus were just showing off. We got animals.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We could just warp in front of you if we wanted to.

Cristina: Interesting. And some. Wait, what? Like, why would Greece even think that they could fight these people off?

Jack: I'm not entirely sure.

Cristina: That's kind of crazy.

Jack: It's crazy, right? But it also, although they were naval competitors, it was more about the territory, which is why the truce was settled and there was a neutral area established. Because who would show up there to trade? The Atlanteans. The goods were required. From who? From the Atlanteans. It wasn't that Athene's. You got to understand that also the people writing the stories are the Greek. So the Athenians essentially writing, oh, we were equal to them, but everybody else is like, not the bullshit.

Cristina: Okay, yeah, that makes sense.

Jack: We were totally equal and they were our rivals. And it's like, no, they could have. You were a speck of dust, a roach, not even an ant. You're some afterthought to them. But of course, you got to try to feel equal. But then, at the end of the day, they had everything you needed. They were way more advanced. They dominated the entire region. You completely, literally avoided that area simply because they were there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So rivals. Kind of a crazy, absurd stretch. Now we enter an interesting, kind of weird area. The Mayans have hieroglyphs and texts, writings that actually mention the Atlanteans, but they don't mention them so directly. They just brush over a couple of details. So in some of their temples, on the walls, and in some tablets, they claim that the Atlanteans gave them the specs necessary to construct their entire civilization.

Cristina: Okay, but like, it's showing like, people from water came to them or something. It's not mentioning Atlanteans.

Jack: It's not mentioning people from water.

Cristina: It's not.

Jack: It's talking about people from the Persian Gulf.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah, it's kind of almost directly mentioning them too.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The people from the Persian Gulf oasis. But I'm still calling them Atlanteans for a very specific reason. We'll get there. Okay, but so the Atlanteans from the Persian Gulf came, gave them a bunch of information, and allowed them to then construct their very complicated, advanced, ginormous civilizations. Some of the Mayan writings went as far as to establish that all former ancient advanced civilizations were descendant of The Atlanteans.

Cristina: Okay, interesting. Yes.

Jack: Some texts allude to Atlantis having reached their greatest height roughly a million years beforehand.

Cristina: Which makes sense if there's really. What did we say? Way long ago.

Jack: They're ancient.

Cristina: No, that. That's where Adam and Eve are. There you go. There's.

Jack: Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. But that is nowhere near the start, considering that a million years is still a million and a half years after the creation of tools. So, like, people were around for way long time. It was definitely far from the beginning. Now we go into the next interesting tidbit. Now I'm gonna start slowing down the Egyptian texts. Fascinating things. This was really hard to find, but there were quite a couple of tablets and reference points and translations and people talking about it. So I was like, okay, this one was way confirmed. The Mayan stuff, translations and whatever. The Egyptian stuff, clear texts. Now, one curious set of Egyptian texts discusses a chamber beneath the Sphinx.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Which contains a hall of records that has Atlantean texts and the data that was provided to the Egyptians that allowed them to construct their massive civilization. This sounds identical to the Mayans.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it happened simultaneously across the ocean.

Cristina: Interesting, interesting.

Jack: And they claim the same thing.

Cristina: Yeah. Wait, that he. They also claim that they're part of them like the Egyptians are.

Jack: They claim that they got all the information that allowed them to build their civilization.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Now, they don't say, no, we were all descended from them. But they do claim that all the data and specs that allowed us to build our entire civilization and their own records as a replica, like a backup, are kept under the Sphinx. There's a hall of records, massive, with all that data down there. Some texts elaborate on the symbolism of Atlanteans and what they had for lions as a great protector. Creatures of purity, forgiveness and sinlessness. Very important things here. They almost worshipped lions. Not really. Like, they were very scientific, but they had this immense respect. Everything was symbology of lions. And there are really old, like, crests in the Persian Gulf that have been found with the image of what seems to be lions. These are real physical things you can go and hold. And it has got what looks like the image of a worn out lion because, you know, water wears it and, like, tears it apart. Makes it look like crap, but, yeah, looks like lions. Now let's go into some quick descriptions of. Well, I guess the only description that really matters about the Atlanteans. They come from the Persian Gulf, the Persian Oasis, if you will, which means they're the south of Iran.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're bronze skinned, like the Greek. The whole region is the same. They're all. We always picture them as white people, but they're not, of course. They're just a bunch of tan people.

Cristina: The Atlanteans.

Jack: The Atlanteans have to be tan people. They're Middle Eastern.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're all just Middle Eastern. This entire time we were just talking about the Greek who were bronze and the Middle Eastern people. Yes, they are all just a bunch.

Cristina: Is this important?

Jack: Bronze people? Yeah. So because of the advancement of text around the world, the slow development of writing decided that it was very important that we don't allow the colored people to be, I guess people of color is the politically correct way to say this, but the people of color, so that we don't allow the people of color to be better, to be smarter, to be faster than us. We, the white people, need to establish that if we're gonna mention the Atlanteans, they have to be light skinned.

Cristina: What?

Jack: They have to be light skinned because then the people of color are better than us. The white people. Sounds very familiar. There's a group of people who do this quite often, but let's proceed. So in order to suppress their technological advancement, intellectual ability, their physical prowess, it was basic to just deep dive and just, just, just totally collapse that plane of they were bronze and slowly migrate to where they fled. They have been and will always be in the Atlantic Ocean. Where they fled to. No, they didn't come from the Persian Gulf. That's why we have to call them the Atlanteans, because they've always been over here where the white people hang out.

Cristina: Okay, so that's why the name change is important.

Jack: Yes. All the official texts, other than the ones from the Middle east and from the east of Europe, all of them suggest that they were always light skinned people. But these are all the white people writing it, while all the people of color claimed no, they came originally from the Persian Gulf. We have a conflict of interest. They're called Atlanteans because white people dominated. Too hard.

Cristina: Of course.

Jack: Of course. Now, quite interesting, the differentiation happens in the first century. This becomes kind of incredibly important as we start to consider what else happened at that time, the existence of Christianity. And the Christians decided to do a couple of things with people of color, was make them all white if they were important. All of them. All the time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes, all the time. Now there's amazing details. Right, Interesting. So the push was kind of heavy and kind of successful to the point that we know them as the trend we're talking about, these translations in the original Greek texts, in Iranian texts, in even Russian texts, those are white people. They were always referring to these people as the Bronze people from the Persians. Persian Gulf oasis.

Cristina: Yeah. But then they were transformed into white.

Jack: They were just white people who.

Cristina: Blonde hair, blue eyes.

Jack: Blonde hair, blue eyes. Aryan supremacy and beauty. Okay, now let me tell you a story, a very important story. This story was really hard to track down. Was really hard to track down. But this story was pieced together by going through Iranian records, by going through Greek records, by going through Russian records. So a family was cast from the Persian Gulf, small family, and they went on a journey away from the Persian Gulf. They were trying to reach an island named Cyprus. On their way to the island, they landed at a location named Nazareth. When they got to this location, there was a huge conflict which was endangering the pregnant woman who was trying to get to Cyprus to give birth in the first place. They couldn't make it to the island. They couldn't depart from Nazareth. They had to redirect and they headed towards Bethlehem, safer territory. They took shelter in a barn from some people because they were just passing through. And that's where they gave birth. Okay, they stay here and, okay, this is our home now. This is where our child was born. 33 years later, this child dies and the mother decides, my mission was always to go to Cyprus and I will continue my quest to Cyprus. So she goes back to Nazareth, departs on her way to Cyprus, gets knocked off course and lands at Mount Athos. The suppression effort that the Catholic Church has done to prevent anybody from hearing this story.

Cristina: Where they originally came from where they originally came.

Jack: They weren't even from Nazareth. I don't even know what the point of hiding some of this was. But there's a bigger picture that I'm just not getting as to why this was important to do, other than the racist. They're not white, but also they come.

Cristina: From a fictional place or supposedly at.

Jack: This point, it's not fictional. Everybody has mentioned this place from every possible location.

Cristina: But the church.

Jack: But the church, at this point, it's not fictional. We're talking that there was a civilization, whether super advanced or not, there was something in the Persian Gulf, without a doubt. There was a civilization there. Without a doubt. If they weren't super advanced, okay, then they got drowned or an earthquake ate them.

Cristina: But Jesus is one of them.

Jack: Jesus came from the Persian Gulf. Jesus came from the Persian Gulf, went to Nazareth, then went to. To, well, Mary and Joseph were from the Persian Gulf, went to Nazareth, trying to go to Cyprus, were redirected to Bethlehem because of the conflict happening in Nazareth. They gave birth to Jesus Christ there, stayed there until his death, went back to Nazareth to then depart, going to Cyprus, only Mary, something happened to Joseph in that time, I'm assuming he died. And then on her way to Cyprus, got totally knocked off course from the winds. She had no idea what the h*** she was doing. And she landed at Mount Athos. She then went to the top of the mountain. And this is why we consider her store completely sacred, because she went there. Okay. The Catholic Church tried to suppress this. This comes from. Again, there are Iranian records. There are Greek records also important to mention. I didn't say this before when I started. These records are also in. This is why I started talking about the Egyptian and the Mayan records. Both mention these things in imagery, and they were completely separated. So when we get this information through media and things, there's almost an agreement to not mention them in tandem. They have to be mentioned separately. They cannot be mentioned together. That is a weird thing that's always happened. Why wouldn't anybody discuss these things back to back? But it is mentioned in the Mayan writings, it is mentioned in the Egyptian writings, it is mentioned in Iranian writings. This is mentioned in Greek writings. But you essentially have to piece the story together. Okay, so all of this information comes with a very specific purpose. Right. We have tracked the fact that the Catholic Church. We knew the Catholic Church has something to do with it. As soon as we got to a mountain that was, yes, riddled with monasteries, it immediately became really weird. And there was, you know, there were trickles here and there. They do a really good job of keeping themselves out of the picture while suppressing a bunch of crap. But if you look hard enough, it's there. You can't hide everything. There's too many moving parts.

Cristina: They're always involved in everything.

Jack: They're always involved in everything. So there is a road that just so happens to be really, really. It's actually at the beginning of the Bermuda, as we know, that takes us to. It's aiming in the direction of Bermuda, and it's a bunch of structures headed in that direction. So we can find the actual leftover traces or just ancient walkways and things. So we can see right here, I'm showing you some images. Anybody wants to look at it. We're talking about the Bimini Road. The Bimini Road is a road underneath the Bermuda, aiming straight at the heart of the Bermuda Tracker. We don't know if it goes as far deep as that because we can't go there ourselves because it's too deep. There's too much pressure. But we find structures underneath the water. Underneath the water.

Cristina: What is that circle thing? It's just a random.

Jack: I don't know what the circle is. This is just things underwater.

Cristina: And their favorite lion and their favorite thing.

Jack: A lion. Interesting. There's a lion underneath the Bermuda Triangle. Okay, okay, okay. So people mentioned in both the Egyptian and in the Mayan records how important, second, the lions were to the people of the Persian Gulf oasis. These symbols of purity and these symbols of holiness and these symbols of sinlessness. It's interesting that Jesus is always also represented by a lion. White Jesus, specifically, is represented by a lion. Very interesting fact. They converted all the little details about this civilization. The child that was birthed from their superior genes or whatever the case might be, had to become a white with.

Cristina: Like, what they did with the Irish stuff. Like, they didn't erase the things, they just changed it to their liking.

Jack: Yeah, they converted it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So then we go to the underwater city of the Gulf of Cambay. Now, this is what's interesting about this place. The Gulf of Cambay is the very tip of what used to be the Persian Gulf.

Cristina: Okay. So this is their old home that we're about to look at.

Jack: Old home. So when you look at this now, you start seeing some similarities, and it's.

Cristina: Like, okay, bro, an Egypt statue.

Jack: What looks like an ancient Egypt statue. But we keep in mind that the Egyptians got their specs from who? From the people from the Persian Gulf oasis. And this is located in the Persian Gulf oasis. Interesting. Yes, very interesting. We get here and we start seeing, like, bro, entire structures, entire buildings, civilization. Now, we can't find all of it because it's quite sparse. And they're everywhere you go, anywhere you find them in this area.

Cristina: Whoa. So there's really people living under there?

Jack: There were, at some point, in their homes. Yes. Fascinating, right? Structures of all sorts. Fascinating.

Cristina: And another lion details.

Jack: Another lion patterns. Physical proof of the things that the Catholic Church does not want you to know exists now. Yes. They'll talk about. Oh, yeah, there's cool things that people made over here and those cool things that people made over there. They don't want you to look at them back to back and then know about the records from the Mayans and the Egyptians and the Iranians claiming that there were people who respected lions, were highly advanced, weren't white. They don't want you to Connect these dots. They don't want you to look at this picture as a whole. So keep all the parts separate and claim they're different people. But all the people with the records claim it was the same people. All the people who aren't the Christians claim no, they weren't the same people. And they were way superior than you, the white people. Fascinating. Now, random bits of information from unicorns, because this is the end of the road right here. Random bits of information from unicorns. Trying to debunk the ideology of unicorns. This is just trying to run through all the information that I got. The tallest horse. Unicorns are said to be as large as possible. The largest horse is the shire. Now, there is an argument that the people of the Persian Gulf did in fact have a, that they bred horses, particularly shire horses. They weren't talking about interesting space horses or magical being horses or whatever, but the argument was that the people of the Persian Gulf oasis bred the tallest horses. Found a particular couple of them, they had a birth defect, and then bred these continuously into a genetic pool so that they would all have these unique features.

Cristina: They're not magical, they're just born that way.

Jack: No, because Mary still rode one to the top of the freaking mountain.

Cristina: That could be just a special skill it has.

Jack: It could be. It could be like a goat. Yeah, some goats can just travel vertically. Now, these were bred in isolation with the defect, so to keep them away from the ones that didn't have it, so that it's no longer a defect, it's just a characteristic. And often times because of their bronze skin, the best contrast was the lightest horse, the white one.

Cristina: Okay, but then where does the Pegasus come from? Like, how would they confuse those two things?

Jack: I don't understand where the mention of the Pegasus comes from, because the Pegasus only comes from the Russian and the Greek record. Iranian records don't mention it. The Egyptian records don't mention it, and the Mayan records don't mention it. So I, it's. This is that leads to an interesting place where there is some information actually missing relative to that. But we do have proof of the physical locations where these things are.

Cristina: Okay. Got unicorns. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. So the potentiality that unicorns were intentionally bred, and if we are also talking about. Now this is where we do introduce the aspect that might be considered a little bit magic, but it's not, it's technology. If we have the ability to breed these in isolation and get these genetic defects to be just a normal occurrence so that you have actual unicorns you understand genetics well enough to do this. On top of the fact that you have highly advanced technologies. It is possible that you created some sort of something thing that defies our understanding of how creatures work. Because you're so far ahead of where we are even now. Okay, so it's not magic, as opposed to just genetic masterpiece.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That might have some sort of ability. I'm not thinking flying. I'm thinking you're right. It's a huge horse with a horn that can travel vertically by climbing, not flying.

Cristina: Yes. That makes so much sense.

Jack: We've grounded the unicorn.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: We found the locations of the previous home and the new one and identifiers that tell us it was the same people. Because they had the same lion in two different locations.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we know that according to the Middle Eastern people people and the Egyptians and somehow the Mayans across the ocean. We had a full story, actually more complete than the bullshit that Catholics and Christians talk about as to where Jesus really came from, which was from the Persian Gulf oasis. They were cast for whatever reason, which tells us they were probably not the best people. They were cast out of a place that is considered a utopia. Keep that in mind.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: And we know this is like the.

Cristina: Devil child, Like they knew.

Jack: There is a high probability of that because you're in Utopia. Why were you cast out of utopia.

Cristina: While you were pregnant?

Jack: Oh, you're pregnant. You must have done something. But this lady happens to have a unicorn, so we know that she must have gotten it from where? From the Persian Gulf oasis. We know that she was cast from where? From the Persian Gulf oasis. They rode this horse into Nazareth, then they rode this horse into Bethlehem. They had this horse seemingly for a really long time, and it lived until the death of their child. Then she alone went to Cyprus, failed to get there, got to Mount Athos and climbed the mountain on top of this very specialized horse. Then went to the summit where something weird happened and we don't hear about her anymore.

Cristina: She went back home. Because we also know that there's somehow a connection between that point.

Jack: Yes, there's a connection between the top of that. But here's the thing. By the time that's normal, I'm thinking that the move had begun from the Persian Gulf. So perhaps they were still at the Persian Gulf oasis, but they started construction at the Atlantic spot for some future event that either already happened or hasn't happened yet, but took place after the death of Jesus. And who knows, Maybe it happened, maybe it hasn't. Aiming towards the future of that point, it could still be coming. We don't know why so many of the Egyptians suddenly disappeared. We don't know why so many of the Mayans, or literally all the Mayans just disappeared. And we don't know why it was so important if there wasn't some crazy catastrophe yet. Was it important for the people of the Persian Gulf to also escape? We have three massive civilizations, completely advanced, all of which potentially added survival measures for an event that we haven't seen yet. And it's coming. Whatever it is, these three civilizations think it's coming. On the flip side, they all got their information from the same source. So maybe they were all paranoid about something that might or might not even be true. But they all got the information from the same group of people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay, so it happened that long ago. Maybe, but we're talking about people who are a million years old. The scale at which they can calculate events is immense. It's very different than us. If you are that advanced a million years ago, what does that say about your ability to calculate to the future? The events could be millions of years ahead of us and we would never know.

Cristina: Okay, that's so weird that they didn't want this baby to be born with them, but then they would take her.

Jack: Back because she went alone to the top of Mount Athos and she left. They came and claimed her in whatever flying horse thing they had, because now we talk about the Pegasus isn't magic. It's a horse with wings. That, again, could have just been a genius engineering of breeding. Breed the biggest, largest bird to be bigger and larger, and then somehow genetically mix what matters into a horse so that their bones are incredibly thin and they're incredibly light and these ginormous wings can support the weight. It's not the hardest thing in the world if you are a master of genetics. We're not.

Cristina: But this very futuristic civilization, civilization could.

Jack: Probably easily do it. And a Pegasus is probably, again, just the work of engineering, the same way a unicorn is probably just the work of engineering. Now, this unicorn horn, how it has magic, how it has this ability to heal people. Again, not magic. But you've created something so pure and advanced, advanced that maybe its genetics could actually help humans. Again, this is just science at this point, but it's highly advanced science. So it's not magic. We're all thinking it's magic because we don't understand it.

Cristina: It's beyond our scores.

Jack: Okay, yes, but now it's just science. It's all science. Everything is science. Anything sufficiently advanced Enough. Any science, any technology sufficiently advanced enough is indistinguishable.

Cristina: Of course. Yes, that makes sense.

Jack: Now we have a full circle. We have the people who gave all the people on the equator the technology. They clearly do exist. We have the Catholic Church actively trying to hide it, which tells me more. They're real. If you weren't trying to hide it, I would be like, okay, it's just crazy people with stories. The fact that the Catholic Church is trying to hide it. No, it's real. It's real happening.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: As soon as the Catholic Church is involved. It happened.

Cristina: Hiding unicorns, Hiding Mary.

Jack: Yes. They were trying to hide by doing this. All of the efforts. Just think of what all of the efforts are. Hide the unicorns, hide the Pegasus. Don't let people go to the top of the mountain. Rewrite Jesus as the white guy. Rewrite the people of the Persian Gulf and erase their history. Just say they were always from the Atlantic Ocean. It's all in an effort to take claim and be the most powerful civilization.

Cristina: Of course. Yes.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: What?

Jack: But we do have an interesting problem now.

Cristina: What?

Jack: The story of Jesus. He comes out of the Persian Gulf. Well, Mary comes out of the Persian Gulf, goes to Nazareth, avoids conflict, goes to Bethlehem. Has Jesus. Jesus died. She goes back to Nazareth. She goes to Cyprus, then heads to. To Mount Athos, Goes to the top, then gets taken by the people of the Persian Gulf back to her people. What was the point of not having the child? Or was it Joseph? Was she loyal?

Cristina: Maybe she was on a mission. Maybe this is part of their plan.

Jack: Because the documents, the records suggest she was cast out.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Not that she left. She was cast out. That is very important detail.

Cristina: She was cast out, then they would take her back. That's the weird thing. So it had to do with Jesus or Joseph? Yes, yes.

Jack: It wasn't her because they took her back either. She was loyal to some sort of criminal named Joseph that they were not gonna keep. And she's like, well, I'm gonna go with them. And then when she was no longer with him, because the story goes, she got to Mount Athos, she went to the top of the mountain, she got taken back. So we don't know if it was Jesus or Joseph that was the problem here, but there was clearly a reason that they didn't want her when she was involved in this. Yeah, but as soon as she was done with it. You good?

Cristina: Yes. Crazy. I wish we could tell. Which is it? Because it could be Joseph. It doesn't have to be Jesus. Like he's an easy one to point to because he's the magic baby, but it doesn't have to be that fascinating.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Yeah. That is so crazy.

Jack: And that is what I've got. That's all the crap I managed to find with literal locations and photo proof of the same lion that they seem to highly respect being in two different underwater locations and that itself being converted into the story of Jesus as well. Beautiful. Beautiful.

Cristina: Amazing. It's all connected.

Jack: Nice try. Catholic church. I'm better than you are. Anyways, that's what I got.

Cristina: Well, it's mind blowing.

Jack: Atlantis might have been real or might be actively real at the moment. And they were the people of the Persian Gulf.

Cristina: And Mary is one of them.

Jack: Mary is one of them. So is Joseph. Yeah, as far as we know. Interesting, though.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that's what we got.

Cristina: That's just so much information.

Jack: Yeah. I had to rush and we still made it exact, so. So you guys want to go through all these episodes? Feel free to do that. There's many, many. And there are. Aside of the episodes that we just mentioned at the beginning here, there are so many others. But before you do that, if you guys have any questions, if you guys have anything you want us to know, add ons, details that you're aware of. Anybody who can translate some of the things that are harder to translate and get corrupted easily, feel free to give us direct translations. Any piece is an important piece. You can find us on TikTok, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, all usconvopod.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And be sure to tell anyone and everyone that the Catholic Church is trying hard, but we are doing better because they're not gonna win. And I am a very, very, very. I'm really good at what I do. And like, you can't hide all the pieces. You can break them and separate them as far as you want, but a good eye will find them and bring them back together.

Cristina: Also, let people know who might like this show. Yeah, you should let them know about this show. Yeah, tell them.

Jack: Talk. Tell everybody.

Cristina: Tell everyone. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: But I bet that's how that works. I bet. Like, let's think about it, right? So serial killers, right? They. They have some weird ulterior motivation that makes no sense. It's this weird. I mean, I guess it makes sense to some degree when you think about it. That's why I know. That's why they're trackable. Right. There's a pattern. There's, like, a method to the madness.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The difference between a serial killer and a crazy person, is it. A serial killer isn't a crazy person. They're actually completely sane.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that's the problem.

Cristina: Yes. Because they do have a reason.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: It may not make sense to you.

Jack: But they're enjoying what they're doing. They truly have motivation and reason. And just because you wouldn't go out and kill a specific type of person in a specific type of way does not mean a serial killer wouldn't go out and kill a person in a specific kind of way.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor, and published by great dots.in fox, art by 0lupo, and logo by Seth McAllister. With social media, managed by Amber Black.

February 25, 2023

Rambling 215: Mount Athos

February 25, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why does everything come back to Mount Athos? What is really going on with this mountain? What is being hidden from the public eye? The duo continue their investigation of Mount Athos and the strange occurrences that keep pointing to something on this mountain. The twists and turns that the research goes through leads to a few revelations never before concluded, but more impressively some new questions arise!

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Topics Discussed:

Atlanteans
Unicorns
A Russian Named John
Sacred Russian Bestiaries
Athos the Giant
Athos vs Poseidon
Burial Ground
Eastern Orthodox Monasteries
Holy Relics, Icons, Mosaics
Virgin Mary
The Summit Athos

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