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Rambling 298: The Grounding of Stuff Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised. Jack: Going live in 5, 4. Cristina: What does live mean? Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack. Cristina: And I'm your host, Cristina. Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And I think we've been doing that successfully lately. Cristina: Yes. Jack: So last week and the show before then, we were trying to get to what I was trying to talk about this entire time, but we got busy grounding things because that's our job. And that sidetracked us from getting to our one and only goal that this week we're definitely, without a doubt, gonna get to, which is, again, the fill people in on everything. And we've been doing this for a very long time. All we ever haven't. Cristina: Yeah. I don't understand. We've been doing what we've been supposed to be doing. Jack: Well, because grounding is our job, we can easily get sidetracked into grounding things because everything is groundable, if that makes sense. Cristina: So then we've been doing our job. Jack: Yeah, yeah, it's. It kind of loops back and forward to some degree, but I think we have some pretty good Grady greatest hits when it comes to grounding things. I think the whole Elation saga was beautiful. There's a lot, but it's infinite. And like, that gets frustrating. I think finding independent creatures that aren't related to them dope, and many things that are related to them dope. And it's funny because a lot of that, even finding the Elysians, really began about trying to see what the h*** was happening at the Bermuda Triangle. Cristina: That's where it started. Jack: Yeah. We were trying to find out what was happening in the Bermuda Triangle and then looking into clouds. Cristina: And then I thought it started with the unicorns. Jack: Well, that led us to the Alicorn that Antonio Dracohan. And that's kind of technically, that's the beginning. If this was a movie, if this was structured into a movie, the way that it built up into the Elysians. Right. Not even talking about the Elysian specifically, but a meta look at the show we were originally looking at. I think it was. Oh, no. Because then we migrated to the Groundhog. We were just looking at creatures and we were breaking apart clouds. There were some weird cloud patterns that we wanted to look into. And so we went through an entire breakdown of clouds, and then we veered off. We knew that the something weird was happening with that collection of clouds on top of the Bermuda Triangle. So that Allured us. Do you remember that? Cristina: Yes, but I don't think that had anything to do with Alicia. Jack: Not yet. Cristina: That was part of whatever story we had before. Jack: Well, no, because we were trying to find out what was happening directly under them. What was. What were they there for? Why was there a collection of clouds over the Bermuda Triangle? And I think then we looked into the groundhog, which I don't know if he ever finished his training. Cristina: Was it. Yes, he was part of training. To talk to the clouds. To the clouds? To get the clouds to talk to the sun, I think. Jack: Yes, because the sun is technically a cloud, too. Cristina: I think we were trying to stop some impending something from the cat People. Jack: Yes. Maybe an invasion or something. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Oh, no, no. We were trying to originally. Originally find out what was happening with the other stars disappearing in the great void. Cristina: Oh, yes. Jack: And we would need to talk to the sun to do it, which we. Cristina: Would use with clouds, but we thought we could use the. What is it? The. The groundhog. Because he could communicate with the weather. Jack: Yes, exactly. Oh, man. Cristina: The last one just died. So we had to train a new one. Jack: Yes. We had to give him adrenochrome. Cristina: Yes. Jack: He was Phil, right? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: It was Steve. Philly is the one who died. And then Steve was his replacement. A random groundhog we just gave a bunch of adrenochrome and started training. Cristina: Secrets of hogs is that they always were taking adrenochrome. Jack: No, it was specifically the one for. The one that they were talking to. Cristina: Yes. Yes. The groundhog 00:05:00 Cristina: that was chosen for Groundhog Day is always taking a dream. Jack: But that one died. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And so we were training one the way they were doing because we accidentally killed Phil. Cristina: I think so. Jack: I don't remember how we killed Phil, but we killed Phil. I know that much. Cristina: I believe that is right. Jack: And then maybe they don't even know we replaced Phil. They don't know. They're just humans. And then we replace Phil with Steve, and they have no idea. And then secretly we've been training Steve in order to talk to the clouds so that the clouds. Specifically weather, I guess, which was also bouncing off of when we were talking about lightning as a component, but unrelated to the clouds, because those are two different individuals interacting. Cristina: Yeah. So that's the idea. And then we're gonna communicate with the planet somehow. Jack: And then we're gonna get. Go on and on Steve. To talk to the clouds. The clouds would talk to the sun. The sun would. But still, something weird was happening down there. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And actually, Steve wasn't going to talk to the cloud specifically. There was a cloud with a face that we were gonna go talk to. Cristina: And we needed. Jack: Yes, yes. And we needed Steve for that. Cristina: Okay. Jack: So we were specifically gonna talk to that one cloud. That's a cloud. God or some crap. A demi cloud. And he was gonna talk to the sun or something. Cristina: I guess so. Yeah. Jack: Cool. But in doing so, we were like, weird that these clouds have. They're like floating over the. The Bermuda Triangle. And so we veer off and we're looking at different underwater things. I know. We were doing that for a while and we stumble upon. Actually, no, we ignore that for a while because we did Bimini Road, which we didn't. We thought about, you know, leading into the. Again, from a movie's perspective. It saw us doing these things, and then it shows us going somewhere else and discovering a different clue. But the. The. The viewer knows. The viewer knows. It's like, oh, this is related. The Bimini is by the Bahamas. A little tiny road that we looked at a long time ago that had the statues underwater. And it was like, kind of aiming towards the Bermuda Triangle. And we're like, oh, yeah, they're definitely down there because of xyz. Reason we still didn't know that the Elysians are the Atlanteans. We're just like some other people over there. And then we started looking into the Persian Gulf oasis because we were doing Atlanteans in specific. We were still calling them Atlanteans until we got to Antonio Draco. Cristina: I feel like before him, we were talking about the equator. Jack: Yes. Which was another thing related to them, wasn't it? But again, we didn't know. We're just like this giant equator surrounding the Earth. And it looks like these places built along this line were all in communication with one another or in communication with some bigger governing body. But they were all in sync with us. We still haven't found out what the point of that was. I thought we did the whole equator line. I know that a bunch of them died out. Is it because it was the line which. Cristina: Like, which Satan went to give them the tech? I guess it's easier for him to travel in a straight line. Jack: Yeah, I guess. Or maybe delivery was easier between the countries. So, like, we keep passing it down the line. We're all next to each other and he doesn't have to personally deliver it. It'll always keep rolling down the path. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Or maybe the equator is just the line in which the civilizations were Gonna be built like they were starting there. So we see them as just. Cristina: But why did they choose that? Jack: I. Why versus, like become a bubble or. Versus, like anything? Squiggly line. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Why a straight line, Right? Cristina: Yes. Jack: I have a theory on that. And I think it has more to do with Hermes. If you look at a lot of Hermes research, there were a lot of these symbols. He was essentially, if you remember, he was building comprehensive, like transmutation circles with a bunch of detailed symbolism and junk as part of meditation and energy moving and whatever he was doing. I think similar to the Hedron Collider, which is probably one of those. I think this line surrounding the Earth was the beginning of a complicated design that maybe was to envelop the Earth or a design that does in fact envelop the earth. And we have only found that specific 00:10:00 Jack: version of it interesting. Cristina: If it relates like, was he murdering them? Like, did they die off or did he kill them? Jack: No, no, no. Oh, well, that's another interesting. Cristina: Because we know the first. There was a different line and no one made it from that other line. Jack: So you think the Kearney. No. But the equator is just where everything moves along. I guess they must have done it ahead of time. Interesting. Interesting. Look at it like this. Look at it like this. Because this does have to make sense to some degree. Right. The equator gradually shifts place. The globe exists. And the equator is always by itself moving simply because of how rotations work and whatnot. So what if the line is starting to catch up? But they built society there and never told them. These guys are always working in secrecy. And the equator slowly kept migrating to that line. Slowly kept until it lined up. We know that alignments matter. We know the solaces work in Castillo in order to bridge a gate that allows people to go into the Shadow Realm and teleport along. So that's. Alignments matter. Somehow. If they built civilization, let's say north to south and started the line west to east, and it was always moving clockwise. It would eventually migrate from west to east to north to south. If in that moment something happened. Great transmutation. And all those people died. Philosopher stones. This could explain why some of these structures are some of the oldest ever seen. Cristina: Yes, they were. They weren't building on that line when it was the line. No, they were just way before the. Jack: Build on the line. That was unreal. And nothing they could track. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Or understand. Cristina: But someone did. Jack: Yes. And in order to get them to do this successfully, they did need technology. Maybe it was never about sharing the Technology. And the way we think about it, for Lucifer, maybe Jehovah man, we jump back and forth here real hard. Cristina: Bad guy. Jack: Who's the bad guy? Cristina: Okay. But Lucy was doing something sketchy. Jack: He was doing something sketchy. He was doing something really ridiculously sketchy. Because everybody was gone. Cristina: Yes. Jack: There's nobody there at all. It's all 100% gone. All that really exists is the ruins to that. And Jehovah recorded is telling him no. He is like, but come on, bro. We need this. Cristina: Yes. But we know he at least did it or tried to do whatever it was that he did twice. Jack: Because when he went to Shadow Realm. Cristina: No, because there was an old equator line that is destroyed of ruins and stuff. Jack: And the newer one, the new equator line, has nothing built on it. Cristina: It has nothing built on it. Jack: No. Oh, the new equator line is just where the line kept moving to. Cristina: Oh. Only the old one had the ruins. Jack: Only the old one had the ruined lines. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: If there is, we don't know where because nobody's thought about this. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And maybe it would be trackable. Maybe major cities line up in a way we never thought about or something. And then one day, by default, because. Cristina: It could be more than one line. Through the Earth. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Around the earth. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: We just have to find. Jack: We would just have to find to connect the dots. Cristina: Yeah. And it has nothing to do with the equator. Just. We just need to see that pattern. Jack: But you know what's even scarier at this point, this means that 12,000 years ago, we weren't beginning to develop. We know that their technology was crazy, but they weren't beginning to develop immense technology. They were already at earth scale technology. 12,000 years ago, they could just, in one shot, boom, across the earth, kill everybody and make. Well, at least along the line of the equator. Maybe they didn't want to erase humanity. Cristina: That's what I was thinking. That the whole purpose of that would be so that not all of it was gone. Jack: So maybe they don't even need these factories like Epstein's Island. What the h*** is that for? Well, then again, where it's two different purposes. Cristina: Specific people. Jack: Yes. That's to drain. That's for adrenochrome. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Versus something like stone. The stones. So maybe they've been able to make stones casually, whenever they want. Cristina: Yeah. We just need to find more lines. Jack: We just need to find more lines. On the flip side, wars are an easy way, and they're clearly in charge of the government. Cristina: Somehow 00:15:00 Cristina: that seems more of adrenochrome. Than a stone thing? Jack: We don't know. Cristina: We don't know. Jack: We don't see. In some instances, we see the bodies, but in other wars, it's just like, oh, yeah, some private attack happened. And it's like, wow, really? Or is it only when we drop, like, bombs and we can't go look at the evidence? Like, that was probably no bomb. You guys are just showing us a bunch of. And really, at the end of the day, what happened was you guys made another stone. Cristina: Would the bodies disappear? Jack: The bodies would disappear. Cristina: Okay. Jack: If it's for adrenochrome, the bodies would stay. Cristina: Mm. That's why most of them has to be for adrenochrome. Jack: Have you seen the bodies in most of them? Cristina: I think someone has. Jack: How do you confirm that person was real and not just another person? Just saying. Oh, yeah, I saw it. Cristina: Oh. Jack: I bet North Korea makes stones regularly. Cristina: Who would know? Jack: I bet there's human farms there where they breed humans. Because nobody knows where they breed humans. And then just en masse. But you dilute the genetic pool if they're always just cattle. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And you're just making the. There's something about the more complex the life force. Well, the life form than the more complex life force. Yeah. What is the rule? The more complicated the life form, the more complicated the life force. The less complicated the life form, the less complicated life source. It began a long time ago at Butterflies or some s***. Weird. Because we discovered a bunch of adrenochrome before we found out it was connected. Cristina: Mm. Jack: We found it through butterflies. Well, we've heard about it here and there, stumble upon things kind of pointing in that direction, then when they looked at it, and we found that through butterflies, that was, like, the original, like, attempt. And then other people throughout history, which I remember specifically, we looked into that were figuring it out in other ways. The countess in the 1700s or 1600, somewhere around there. It could have been the 13th. Who the h*** knows who was killing her? Her maze. That was for adrenochrome. And so we found, again, adrenochrome somewhere else, and we didn't. She might have not known, and we might have not known. But, again, a bunch of people did, though. So maybe she was in the in group who knew about adrenochrome. And although the people who wrote about it didn't get it, she knew why she was doing it. She stayed young, and they were all, oh, yeah, she was using it for her skin. And that was. Make her stay young. And it's like, no she was drinking that s***, bro. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: That's why she actually. That's why it actually worked. F***. That's exactly why it worked. She was killing them b****** and drinking it. And they were. The people reporting on it didn't really understand. They thought she was bathing in it, but she was just putting it in the tub to have a source of it. Cristina: Ew. Jack: She could continue to drink. I guess she was vampiring the f*** out. And this has a lot to do with the area she was in. They probably thought vampirism worked this way. We interpret it in the horror movie style, but vampires are relatively new. They weren't. Cristina: Vampires are based on adrenochrome. Jack: Vampires are actually just based on Dracula, and Dracula ain't even that old, so. S***. You get my point. Like, there wasn't a concept of vampires back then. Their understanding of a vampire was crap. Like the Countess. And like, Dracula could have easily been based on the Countess in a castle. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Attracting maids. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And drink. Literally drinking their blood. Cristina: It's the same story. Jack: It's the same story. And we found the Countess and we found a couple of, like, old school serial killers who were doing the same thing. We. We did that for Halloween one. So we were just looking at weird instances like that. We have a couple of really good Halloween episodes. Cristina: Well, didn't do any this year. You got anything for right now, this. Jack: Moment to do some Halloween? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: No, I don't now. We didn't do it for this year, but next year we should hit all the holidays. Find. I mean, it's interesting to go look at something that we haven't looked at for a while and with new eyes and find something we missed before. Cristina: Yes. Have we ever did a Thanksgiving thing? Jack: We've done many Thanksgiving. Cristina: Oh, yes, we have. But we haven't talked about the turkeys that we save that we pardon. I don't get that. Jack: We pardon turkeys. Cristina: Yeah. The President pardons turkeys every year. Yeah. He puts them in a hotel, keeps them fed and happy, and then he, I guess, brings them in front of people like the, like. I don't know, like the groundhog. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: And 00:20:00 Cristina: it's like, these turkeys cannot be eaten. Eaten. Jack: They must die of old age. Cristina: Yes. And I don't know how anyone keeps track of that. Jack: I bet. I bet that's the turkey the President eats. Cristina: Oh, that's awful. Jack: I bet some president was a douchebag and did that. If that's not the case, somebody was like, you know what? This is a stupid tradition. I want that turkey President. But no, no. Replace the turkey. Nobody's gonna know. I want that turkey. I want to eat a famous turkey. Cristina: The one that you said can never be eaten. That's messed up. Jack: Why? What's the difference? How would anybody even know as long as the illusion persists? Cristina: I don't know. I feel like you'll get. You will not get away with it. Jack: I. I want to get away with it. And then on my deathbed as president, I'll be like, get cameras and everything. I'll be or ex president, however that works. And I'll be like, for the world to know I ate that turkey. Cristina: That's messed up. Jack: Boom, boom. Will anybody give up? Nobody's gonna give a. They're gonna be like, he ate a turkey. Cristina: They're gonna say, you're a monster. Jack: If they. If it happened, like, the next day that it came out, they would be like, oh, my God. Yay, though. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Right now, most of them send you. Cristina: To jail to rest, to live the rest of your life to. Jack: I'm. I'm on my deathbed. Cristina: Who cares? You're gonna be in your deathbed in a jail cell. Jack: That's. I mean, I guess it wouldn't matter to me. Cristina: It wouldn't matter to you? Jack: No, no, it wouldn't matter. I'm already dying. Like, what do I got? Days. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Like, spend the rest of my days in a place that has to take care of me for a fact. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Whoa. Cristina: But you'll be in orange or whatever color those suits are, and then they. Jack: Die in a box. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: That's cool. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Concrete box. Who else did we find that was using adrenochrome? Oh, we found some Greek stories with it. That was afterwards. That was after we found out the Elysians. When do we find out they were called the Aletians? Cristina: Probably to do with Greece or Egyptians or. I think it was Egyptian. Jack: I think it was in the text that the Egyptians had discussing the Elysians, because they also referred to them as the Sea peoples. Cristina: And so did the Greek. Not the Greeks, the Mayans. Mayans. Jack: We looked at Maya a bunch of times. We looked at my. A long time ago without knowing they were connected to the Egyptians. Cristina: And we also, like, recently found out that they have portals to the shadow realm. Yes, that we think. We were thinking there. Jack: No, we knew they had portals to the shadow realm. We found out recently they were crossing people regularly. Cristina: Yes. Yes. That's happening everywhere. Jack: Yes. Cristina: And we had no clue that was happening. Jack: Yeah, we looked at that. Didn't know that there was this Entire civilization there went like two years without having any idea. Meanwhile, we found the. The villages around the world, including the one in Puerto Rico. That's a really famous one. All these groups that are just mixed shadow realm, Earth realm creatures found out. Cristina: All those people that were talking crazy stories about, like, I'm afraid that my child's gonna be kidnapped by a fairy. And then we realize, oh, crap, there's. Jack: They're onto something. They're on to. They were. It wasn't fairies, but they were kind of on the market. Cristina: Yeah, they were. They were close. Jack: They were close. They were close. There's a bunch of creatures kidnapping children. So it was based on some interesting y. Cristina: They were insane. Jack: No, man. It is a kind of weird road that took us here. Adrenochrome was a weird one. We found that so many times because. Cristina: It'S the easiest way. Jack: Everything, even by accident. I really, really. I always think about the story about the wolves in the. In the battlefield and how they would go out and like, when they were starving because the battlefield scared off all the other creatures, so they had nothing to hunt, and they were just out there feeding on the freshly dead people. But those people were in war, bro. They had just unloaded their guns, had the guns unloaded on them, seen friends die, seen bombs go off maybe in that time, or depending when. When wars happened. Because this was in the, what, the 17, 1970s, 1917s, and another one again in the 1950s. So there was bombs already. And like, this resulted in some crazy creatures, bro. Yes, that's nuts. Werewolves, which then, in hindsight, kind of informs our older story when we looked into werewolves and we found out that the natives would dress up with the. Cristina: Fur of the wolves and then turn into wolves. Jack: Not turn tools, but run 00:25:00 Jack: around the woods. Cristina: There was some stories of people wearing wolf fur and then turning into wolves. Jack: No, that's what they thought they saw. That's what the people. The. The white man. Cristina: Oh, he saw. Jack: Because they would see the. The problem is that they were with wolves. The natives in these areas would be wearing the fur of their family members who were wolves. They lived in nature with the wolves, naturally, and so they would be wearing the wolf fur and the wolf would be seen by the people who lived around there. And then they would see shortly thereafter, a native wearing wolf stuff, and they think it's the same thing. That's where the original myth of the werewolf came from. But the actual real world equivalent is a werewolf, a wolf drinking adrenochrome and then resulting. Cristina: The werewolf is a Wolf becoming a man and not a man becoming a wolf. Jack: Exactly. It's not becoming a man, but kind of getting a more bipedal look. It's very Pokemon. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You know, just transformed and now it's bipedal for whatever reason. So. Yeah. Cristina: I don't know. I feel like there are some men that claim to have turned into wolves, though. But are those just crazy people? Jack: No, because we also have people that were turning in the things. Not everybody has exactly the same reaction, but it's more or less the same reaction. We've had men turning into wolves. No, I don't think we've ever had people turning into the wolves. Cristina: There's a guy, I think for the church, he was confessing that the devil made him dress up as a wolf, turn into a wolf to fight the. No, the church forced him to turn into a werewolf so he can fight the demons or something. There's some wild story like that. Jack: We talked about it on the show. Cristina: Yeah, it was before all of this. It's way in the past of just talking about creatures not connecting to anything. Jack: That was when we were doing werewolves one and two, right? Yeah, man, I don't even remember that. Cristina: Yeah. I think he was claiming that the church would turn him and like a bunch of other homeless people into werewolves to fight demons. Jack: What the. Well, I don't remember all that. Cristina: I don't know what that is. But I know that they do have weird stuff happening. Jack: We know because the Church does weird s*** all the time. Cristina: Yes. They have portals and they also have items. Sacred items. Jack: Yes, they do, actually. Cristina: Body parts. Magical body parts of saints. Jack: Yeah. They hoard all the things with power they could find. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: But later we found out that was entirely because they were trying to erase the existence of magic and. Which is really just really complicated science. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And the body parts and things are saving are. Because think about it. They're saving a cloth that was protecting Jesus and he came back to life in or something. And it's like. Well, that was some technology that was reviving him or whatever. Or that had like proof of some residue of some kind of compound that they don't need anybody to know exists, you know? Cristina: Okay. Jack: Of the fruit or something. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: So they. They keep all of these things. They either have some kind of ability attached to some complicated technology or whatever the case might be, and they confiscate it all and hide it. Cristina: That's crazy. Still. That's pretty crazy. Jack: And still they couldn't compete with actual Jesus. Cristina: Well, they're. They're either Helping him or hiding him? Jack: Why would they need to hide him? Cristina: Because they're working with the. The. I'm thinking fairies, but that's not the word. I'm thinking. Who, Who. What is he? Jack: What is who? Cristina: Jesus. Jack: He is an Elysian Alicia. Cristina: And they're either working with Jesus or the Elysians. Jack: The church. Yeah. I think. I think we have three parties. Cristina: You think they're separate? Jack: I think they're separate. I think there's more than three parties. I think party we actually. I think. I don't think we've ever broken this down. I think party number one is the Elysians and their homies, like the Mayans and the Egyptians. Group two is Jesus and whoever's backing him, which is unclear. Cristina: Shadow people. Question mark. Jack: Question mark. Because we don't know. Because group three is a shadow people with Lucifer and all those individuals. Because even the shadow people who've joined our Earth Realm teams, we're calling those as part of Jehovah's team. Okay, so those are the Elysians. We have the Elysians there with all those people, including the shadow realm people that are there. Then we have the shadow room people who are a separate entity entity 00:30:00 Jack: made up of many Elysians and humans who've been outcasted one to the shadow realm. We got Jesus. That's three main group tied up there. Then we have Mab and her group of people somewhere doing something that's hyper unclear to us. See, we all never know. Exactly. Then we have the Greek that randomly pop up and are like always keeping up. They're like Piccolo. They're always keeping up with Goku and like how. Okay, but they're always there. And we don't know if any of this or even if the Elysians themselves are in any way connected to the original top of that, which is Jehovah's father Yahweh and his father Eloi. And how. That we still don't understand the giant leap from all of that all the way back to Yaldabao and how any of them might connect to what's happening now. Cristina: Yes. And we have no idea anything about Hermes either. Jack: Hermes, he's like neutral party. It looks like he helped everybody do whatever. Yeah, he's such a central figure. Cristina: But he might have even helped Jesus Satan with the line. Jack: He might have. But we know many instances suggest he might have helped Lucifer. Cristina: Yeah. So that's interesting. Jack: It looks like he might have helped Lucifer. It looks like he might directly be the teacher of Jesus. Yeah, it looks like he gave a johor who Worked or was friends or something with Jehovah. Cristina: And he has some connection with the Greece. Jack: And he has some connection with Greece. And he might have existed back with Eloi and Lilith, which suggests that he would have also been around at the time of Jesus, Jehovah's father, Yahweh. He would have been in contact with every single everything straight through. Cristina: Yes. Jack: I don't understand how. Because he is a God, he might actually be. Everybody else is some being that got there. He might actually. Dude, based on how we're describing him, right? Cristina: Yes. Jack: He goes everywhere, lives immortally, contacts everybody. Now, here's an interesting part about Hermes, which, based on his talks, might make sense. Let's say Hermes does come around in the year 12,000 BC, right? That's when he's born, not before then. But what do his lessons teach us? He says the fabric of reality itself is up to you to move around and control as you please. If you understand my teachings, you can just casually move in and out. Nothing matters. Nothing is of consequence. Everything is readjustable. Could it be that although he began there, he easily just shows up in the past? Is that a capability of his? Yes, because we know many necromancers can just f*** with time. Cristina: He can too. Yeah, I guess. Jack: Just poof. So he was born recently, but he could just be back there? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And that explains him showing up everywhere. He became he again. He was just a creature that became a God beyond anything all these other people could even fathom. Cristina: Mm. Except for Jesus, maybe. Jack: Well, he taught Jesus. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: It to this moment, it kind of does almost look like Hermes over Jesus. So if we were to just calculate their abilities and what they've done. Cristina: Yeah, but if Jesus gets to actually ex. Goes follows those principles that he has to teach, like what makes the difference, what makes him under. Jack: It looks like Hermes can cross into the fairy realm. It does not seem like Jesus can. As far as we know. Cristina: As far as we know. Jack: As far as we know. Cristina: Exactly. I don't know. That doesn't really. Jack: Only based on what we've found, he. He hasn't. Maybe we'll find something different to the contrary. But as of now, it looks like Hermes is the only one who's figured out how to enter this other space. With all of the efforts that everybody else has. I haven't seen a mention of Jesus doing that. Cristina: Well, maybe that story of him going into heaven. What does that mean. Jack: Going into heaven? Cristina: Yeah. And the end of his story before he comes back to Earth, like, what is that? I don't Know exactly. Jack: He dips out. Cristina: Could that be him exiting? Jack: But then that means he's always behind. He didn't just inherently have the ability like these other 00:35:00 Jack: things. He discovered that like a science. Which means that Hermes mastered it. He's a beginner at it. Hermes is still above. Cristina: Yeah, but that doesn't mean he can't get to that point. Like once you got it, you got it. Jack: He has a head start. Is he gonna. Is Hermes gonna continue getting better or is there a top? Which means if there's a top, they can catch up and land there. If not, then. Because again, if it's science, you can keep pushing it. Oh yeah, you can continue to push it. Cristina: But I think Jesus is still up there. Jack: He would be number two. I'm thinking he's number two. Cristina: Yeah. Because he did escape. I think he might have gone there. I think that was the story. Jack: And that's simply because we cannot rank things from Elfame. We have no idea. Yeah, it's possible. Those things are way more complicated in ways we couldn't comprehend. Cristina: But he might have gone into alpha and then came back. Jack: Yes. Cristina: I think that's. That's the story to say that. Yes. Jack: Right. But yeah, no, 100%. But that doesn't make him. I still think we've discovered that there is less appearance of Hermes. He's more rare to come across. So he's better at being invisible. He's been around longer, so there should be more of him. But he is good at being invisible. Cristina: But also he's using much of different names. I don't know. Jack: He always goes by Hermes. Cristina: He does. Oh yes, he does. It's Jesus that goes by different names. Jack: Jesus goes by different names and is still nowhere as elusive. Cristina: Okay. Jack: We don't know necessarily anything about what Hermes looks like. We just know he was robed. He was nice and discreet. Okay, he was robed. We have no descriptors for his face. We. We know just the things surrounding his robe. His face is usually in shadow and the robe itself was very dark. Gave look to that traditional necromancer thing, secrecy and privacy. So they adopted the look. Cristina: The necromancers. Jack: The necromancers adopt the look. That's also why we always see Jesus robed up. Everybody else might have layers to the robes, tuck ins on their ways. But Jesus wore like gown style things. It was very necromancer. And he's known for having the scarf with the hood. Cristina: That's not Mary. Are you sure? Jack: Jesus had the same thing. I guess Mary was also trying to be private. Oh, but that's logical. And the most important facet here is. I mean, Jesus would have to become a more more complicated threat eventually because he's still half Elysian. Cristina: Yeah. What is a Hermes? Jack: Human. Cristina: How do we know he's not half. How do. Jack: We don't know. We just know that you have to be human to be an echromancer. Cristina: Yes, but Jesus proves you could just be half human. Like you don't have to be full human. Jack: Jesus proves you could be half human. This brings up an interesting problem and it totally explains the Elysians not wanting Elysian men or women to breed with humans. Because nephilim that become necromancers may be problematic. Cristina: Yes. Yeah. Jack: Is the fear the necromancers, the few necromancers we know about are problematic. And then there's Hermes, who seems undefeatable by any standard we could imagine. Cristina: But then you think they'd be an enemy with him, but there don't seem to be. Even though they fear everything he is, they don't want another version of him. Jack: I mean, everybody's trying. Think about what the requirements were for the Golem. Think about what the requirements were for Jesus. You have to be able to cross all three thresholds seamlessly. What? Who's the only other individual we know who could do that? It's Hermes they're trying to imitate Hermes. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Right. And he ain't a fairy. They just know a human learned how to do the thing and that for whatever reason, Elysians can't be necromancers. Cristina: Yes, but they don't want to make more. They do and they don't. They don't want it. Jack: You want to control them. They want to be able to make a necromancer and control it. Cristina: Hence the creation of like things like Jesus. No more. Jack: Jesus was a problem. Yeah. Think of not Alexander. Was it Alexander? No, the. The sword guy. 00:40:00 Cristina: The sword guy. Jack: Who was being tricked? Arthur. King Arthur. Who was being tricked by Merlin. By Merlin. But the whole goal of that instance was a necromancer or not a necromancer. A person with the ability to cross between thresholds who could be controlled. Cristina: But he was all human. As far as I know. Jack: He was all human. Yes. And he was too easy to control. It became problematic. And we know that Merlin was an elation. Or is an elation. I don't know if that guy still around. But Hermes equals. I mean, not Hermes, Merlin. Equal elation. Cristina: He has to be half. Jack: He has to be half. Yes. You're Right, because how is he? And that's why he's whack. Cristina: Why is he whack? Jack: Because the more human you are. Cristina: So you think he's more than half human? Jack: No, he's the whack necromancer. Merlin is whack because. Because he is half and half. Cristina: But you have to be half and half. Jack: No, you have to be human. Cristina: Oh, but Jesus is half and half. And that he's not. Jack: Isn't half and half. Cristina: You think he's human. Okay, psychic abilities. Jack: Stories give us some details here to fill in for this thought, but I have some filler ideas. Right. For some blank areas. The stories emphasize how important Mary is, not just to the cause, but to Joseph. Joseph is a magi. A magi. And he is one of the other three who will later show up. He was her personal escort. They are Alician soldiers of some sort. Cristina: Okay, right. That's her man, though. Jack: No, that's the lie they're telling. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: But where you're getting at is where I think was maybe intentionally left out. The Bible tells us he's her man. Of course, the Bible is foolish and made up in order to suppress the truth. But the Bible tells us. So what motivation did the Bible have to tell us he was her man? Why wasn't he just her brother? She was gonna be a virgin and have a husband. Cristina: Yeah, that's weird. But weird. Jack: Could have. Any other narrative could have been spun there. Yeah, maybe. Maybe he was human and that's why he was different from the other Magi. Just like Mary was human. Because we know that child is part of Jehovah's DNA. But maybe the intention was to water it down and so it's not just Jehovah. What part of this do you need science for? Where was the experiment taking place in? Well, maybe both of them are the bad. Thus he's only one third Elysian. Cristina: Oh, crap. Okay, those make it more interesting. Jack: Interesting. So he has as much stake in this as the Elysians, but, you know, you're also just a human bro. We can get rid of you quite easily. So you're just gonna escort her? Well, you got bodyguards are gonna be watching, and they're gonna show up when it matters. You're gonna see them, and you just gotta take her over there. Where does he go when he gets. He just vanishes. The story just cuts off. We assume he left with the other Maggie, but he just. His story just ends. So what is that about? Well, his purpose was complete. He probably died off. Cristina: He died off. No, he died off. Jack: They get. They get to older age. Oh, but like, what's his. Why do we stop talking about him so heftily? It's because of this reason. He is really inconsequential, but is part of the equation, which is why he was actually present there the whole time. He's like, no, it's my Katu and I'm gonna follow this lady. Cristina: Okay. We just couldn't say, yeah, they were. Jack: The chosen ones to some degree, but it was just human. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You know, And I think that was a way of diluting some science was used in order to dilute elation DNA. Even if elation DNA is better for stones, they're not going to get rid of themselves. So they could easily run this tech, but no humans. But in order to make a necromancer, you need human. And they want one that they can control. But I don't know if they have Hermes, why they would need to. I don't get that part. But Hermes himself then trained Jesus. He's so neutral. 00:45:00 Cristina: He doesn't. He seems like part of the group, but he doesn't seem like part of their group. Jack: I think he literally isn't part of their group. I think he's just friends with Jehovah. And everybody must respect his neutrality because what are you gonna do about it? The fact that he's blessing you with his time is good enough. Cristina: But then he gets to train the guy that they offer, cuz that guy went to him. Jack: Again, neutrality doesn't matter who comes or what you want. I can do whatever. Cristina: Mm. Jack: I'll help you with limits. I don't hurt others or whatever. But what you do, but what I gave you is up to you. Cristina: Crazy. Jack: So everybody comes for something different. It's like, yes, he's really God about it, to the point that even Jesus goes to him on record. Yeah, well, Emmanuel. Emmanuel goes to him and it's like, bro, this dude moves like real omniscience. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Move through time, influence, whatever. Yeah. Oh, you said your grandfather needed what? Okay, I'll go back and I'll. Cristina: That's weird. Jack: Yeah, whatever, dude. Oh, no, I can't do that. I'm not gonna go get rid of the people. No, I can't do that. You need the. Oh, yeah, yeah, I can make the thing. Whatever you do with it, that's up to you. I don't give a crap. It's your choice. If it affects me, I'll bring him back. I don't care. Cristina: Real omniscience, okay. Jack: He moves like that, right? He has that feel if I don't care what happens, I don't care. I don't care what. I'm not doing it, but I don't care what happens. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And then he can adjust whatever in his favor. That's so impressive and everything. Again, if we look at the whack, watered down, non knowing necromancers, it's still like, d***, son. All of them except St. Patrick seem capable of controlling time. They're watered down. All of them. They're. They're whacker than Jesus. And Jesus can't mess with Hermes. That's where we are. They can control f****** time. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: It looks like maybe Santa, St. Nicholas is like real top tier op. Maybe third in line here because of how exaggerated he is. But it could just be time control that he looks like he's everywhere freezes, everything goes everywhere, takes him a long time. Then time moves forward again. Cristina: It's still really exaggerating. I don't know. It's pretty powerful stuff. Jack: Pretty powerful stuff. He also has deals with what seem to be actual fairies. Actual fairies? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Which is like, d***, how do you do that? Yeah. Cristina: Yeah. Maybe they're not fairies. Maybe they're shadow worm creatures. Jack: They could be shadow worm creatures, but they can. We don't know shadow creatures that fit those suits. But we know fairies that do. Cristina: It's just too weird. Jack: It's weird. Cristina: It doesn't make sense to anything. Jack: But again, maybe he's. He does appear to stay neutral as well. So maybe the fairies aren't siding with him. And maybe the fairies aren't trying to stop Hermes. Who are the fairies trying to stop? All the people trying to imitate Hermes. Fair people don't care about Hermes. Why? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: Doesn't seem to be f****** with them. Neutral. The people who are like, we want infinite power. They get elf slapped on top. Stop their progress, please. Cristina: Okay. Jack: But Hermes clearly already capable. They're like, whatever. Interesting. They're scared of power hungry people because if they cross out, they're coming for us. Cristina: Okay, Jesus, kill off Marilyn and Jesus. Jack: Jesus is a problem because Jesus is the one that slipped through. And although Jesus isn't aiming to hurt them, Jesus seems to be on a revenge path. Right. Is his goal the Elysians or could he easily deal with the Elysians? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: Because if they are is infinitely trying to get stronger. And they're infinitely trying to get stronger. So he must again try to get stronger. So they must again try to get stronger. And now it's gotten to the point that they reach the Elfame just trying to get stronger than each other. And then they're just consuming everything around them in a war between each other. And that's the fear. That's why it didn't look like anybody was after anybody specific and that the Elfame was just fight. Who are we scared of? And it's like this guy or that guy or what? No, both. Cristina: Both. Jack: But it's not about them going after you. They don't care about you. They're. They're Borg. They're infinitely power hungry the way humans are. Okay, we want more. But it's about getting rid of each other. Cristina: It could be that very. It feels very Dragon Ball Z. Jack: Like just like always. Upscale. Cristina: Stronger. Yeah. Jack: And it doesn't stop. We've gone out of the realm. Man. I remember the ah, memories. What the good old days when we just thought creatures here, creatures there. Maybe some aliens, maybe an alien or two local 00:50:00 Jack: that can't, you know, lives in space between planets. Because why would it try? How would it travel from super far? They couldn't. It's just a biological something living in space to finding out no crap could travel. And here's the science behind it. Stars away, stars across, galaxies across. Until getting to the point of like nah. There's entire clusters of stars completely captured. Because escaping the entire universe is totally possible. And there's multiple of these things. And here's some science behind it to dimensions and realms. It's like I remember the good old days back then when it was so simple. Now. Now we have interdimensional multi realm existing different creatures of different magnitudes of development tied in infinite ways with each other and in different ways. All scientific. Cristina: They're trying to get up there, up somewhere there. Jack: So complicated. So, so complicated. It's ridiculous. It is good old days of just hey, vampires and zombies. You remember comparing vampires and zombies and they both need blood. Which it totally should have filled us in on so much. Totally should have. Because we erased it slowly from zombies to say that they were after blood. But zombies were after blood at the beginning of the invention of talking about zombies. But maybe the creators of zombies thought oh this too on the nose. It's too close. So I'm just gonna connect the dots. And so we slowly phased out zombies going for blood. And then they just became science zombies. The way like oh, vile. We're trying to cure cancer. But. But it was always science. Cristina: It was always science. Jack: Adrenochrome. Oh the science in a different way. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: We they try to block us off of certain paths of science so that we don't get informed on those things like realms and crap like that. That must use biological and physically tangible science applications in order to to interact with. But the laws were taught to build upon exclude the factors that would lead us in those directions so that only those who know about them can know about them. Esoteric knowledge everywhere. You know, it's funny, that reminds me that Wet Judges was the same story as zombies. We had. We were just going through different creatures and we found out that this creature existed and that it was the. The result of something unknown. But this is what the creature behaves like. And it's not a shadow Realm. Creatures opposite to a win dingo. But they both turned out shadow room creatures. But there was some difference between them that we were like one comes from this and the other one kind of sorta. Eventually we discovered wolves. And both of these things shared a lot of characteristics. And that episode involved the connection of well, this is how a wolf biologically becomes. And this is how wolf biologically becomes that one. I believe the Wet Judge is the feral shadow realm version of a wolf. And the Windingo is the in control shadow realm version of a wolf. And both of those we found in isolation separate because we were just doing episodes about creatures. Cristina: But what do they have to do with the Shadow Realm? Jack: Adrenochrome. And they're both shadow realm creatures. Cristina: Okay. But they're based off of wolves and the wolves are from here, not from the shadow Realm. Jack: Exactly. Were wolf. Well, wolf can wolf takes adrenochrome the stages of a wolf as they would break apart. A wolf can sue. Let's take one of these 1950, 1940. Like six werewolves from the battlefield. Battlefield night people hiding. It sneaks up in the shadows and starts eating and drinking some of the blood. Because it's dies or. No, no, let me get there. It's gonna turn into. In consuming so much of it. A werewolf. Cristina: Mm. Jack: The werewolf is just the in control version of the wolf. Now two wolves came. They were talking about two separate wolves from the same pack. They came. They ate the same body. During the werewolves, both of them became werewolves. One of them was smart enough to consider coming back and the other one was a little cower. And as soon as it heard people ran away so they didn't consume the next day. This happens repeatedly. And the second wolf doesn't come back. The first werewolf stays a werewolf. The second werewolf now becomes a lichen. 00:55:00 Jack: It goes feral. It's just a Savage now. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It even forgets how to get back to it. It's just now a monster. Cristina: Okay. Jack: But they're more or less fizzled off Earth Realm. Cristina: Yes. Okay. Jack: Yes. And they all fizz. They physically look very similar, except a werewolf looks like a humanoid. It looks very similar than the werewolf is very gray, furred, wise and less crazy, I guess. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And the lichen is black fur and slimmer, while the werewolf looks bulkier. The lichen is thinned out and like up looking. It's like a really thinned out werewolf that's all black. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Now if the werewolf dies a werewolf, it becomes a wet judge. Cristina: Okay. And if the lichen dies, it becomes the other thing. Jack: And if lichen dies, it becomes a wendingo. Cristina: And those creatures are Shadow Realm creatures. Jack: And those creatures are Shadow Realm creatures. Cristina: Or they're ghost versions. Jack: Yeah, yeah. A lot of Shadow Realm creatures are ghost versions of earthrealm creatures because there's an inherent tie between them. Cristina: A little weird, because the Shadow realm is the original realm and we are. Jack: A pocket realm within it. Cristina: Yeah. But when we die, we go back to the original realm. Jack: Well, this is supported by all sciences, all religions and all philosophies that the. This association from the self unites us to the all. Another way of thinking about it is the texts that make it sound like it's a simulation. If the barriers are built around a certain type of code and you extract that code, then whatever code is left could exit the equation. Cristina: Okay, and then we just go back to the shadow realm. Jack: We can just be part of the shadow realm. So it's possible. Weird thought that everything within earthrealm is already a creature that might exist within the shadow realm, and we are just programmed with the external shell that we then think is ourselves. Cristina: What do you mean? Jack: Like my body isn't my body? Maybe I was always a gin, but because I'm born over here, the body feels like a body. But then it's weird beating our campy because creatures from the shadow realm coming over here to kidnap children and stuff, but to live. But they don't. They don't become suddenly physical unless they go through a procedure. Yes, and I don't understand what the procedure necessarily is because there's no specifics on it. Yeah, we know that they need a model, which is why they kidnap kids. They need an example of who they're going to become and that person is going to stay alive. They don't kill that person. Cristina: They don't. Jack: Well, somehow still existed when Lucifer became physical. Cristina: Yes, but did he transform also? Jack: Then Samuel got turned into Alfamer. Cristina: Is that what happened? Jack: No, he got turned to a Naga, I think, right? Cristina: Yeah, I think so. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: This story is twisted and weird. Jack: Yeah, that's a weird. Someone else been through the ringer. It's a weirdo. But this isn't a couple of places. Because if you think of Glycon from the Greek, he also was just a Greek dude who became a Naga. Cristina: That doesn't make sense. With the help of Keto. Because Nagas are fairies. So these are people becoming fairies. Jack: These are people. Well, people becoming Shadow worm creatures and Shadow Realm creatures becoming Earth Realmers are still weird. Cristina: That's weird. But it's less weird. They're becoming fairies. Jack: Well, presumably the Shadow Realm is a pocket within Alfame. The best way to think about it is if Elfame is Earth Realm, then the Shadow Realm is the Internet. And EarthRealm is like Facebook. Each one is inside the other in a smaller, more constricted way. But it's still the one thing. Like it's still Facebook exists within Earth. Cristina: A video character becoming human. Jack: Yes. So, okay, I guess the. The most logical way to make the next step remove would be to say we have humanoid robots that don't have any AI. They exist everywhere. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And the Facebook AI decides it's going to figure out how to enter one of our robots and navigate earthrealm. That would be the leap that Jesus born in earthrealm does 01:00:00 Jack: to get to Alfame. He is the Facebook AI. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Getting into one of our robots and now existing as a Earth Realm being. Cristina: What does it mean when one of us becomes a Naga? Jack: That would be the equivalent. Cristina: It's still in there. Jack: Yes. So there must be some form of code that creatures from the top have. Like MAB logging in. Cristina: Oh, NPCs. No, not NPCs. Main characters. Jack: Main characters. Yes. They acquire main character abilities. Yes, that's what it really means. Which is a good example in being Hermes. Main character abilities. Cristina: Okay, so if you can do become a Necromancer or become a Naga, you're doing the same thing. Yes, sort of. Jack: The difference is they're trying to make Nagas of existing individuals that they know are already loyal. They don't want one born. They're trying to make one out of people they know are already loyal to them. So there's some half baked kind of approach there. Cristina: And they. I don't think they have the same abilities as Nagas. Jack: No. It doesn't seem like they have the tip top. The closest person who got To. That was the first one we know about, which is the oldest, which is Yaldabaoth and his. Not his artificial Naga, which I guess everybody else is. An artificial Naga that we're talking about. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: But it looks like his was literally created from nothing. It wasn't based on anybody. Which is also why that one's overpowered. Cristina: That doesn't make sense. That does it. I don't know. Jack: Osteomorphus. That was the name of that serpent. Osteomorphous. Cristina: Came from nothing. Jack: He came from nothing. He was raw, created. So he must be more pure than doing it on a creature that was already a different creature. But they'll be loyal because they're part. They're in on it. It's their hard work, too, versus this. No, you were made exclusively for this purpose. You could turn on me and it might have. We know it had its own intentions. It might have done whatever, but that's the risk. A different variation on that is Jesus. It might go rogue. Except it went rogue and they did. Where they. How do they control it? Cristina: I don't know. But how do you do that? What? You said he just made one. Jack: Made one? What? Cristina: Made a Naga? Jack: Oh, I don't know, but it would be like, how did we invent a robot from nothing? Like, it's just. It's that he just made science. Figure it out. Cristina: Okay. I don't know. Jack: But the leap Jesus made is pretty impressive, especially if we. If we listen. If we listen, Deacon, listen. If we take the texts that make it sound like a simulation at face value and say, oh, yeah, that's definitely the true one. Jesus made it out of the simulation and into an Alfame robot. That's basically what we'd be saying. Yeah, he jumped to the middle stage. Or went through it. We know he went through it. Literally. He could enter the wider Internet. Cristina: But he's not the only one. Jack: No, he's not the only one. Because whatever quote AI unquote Hermes is can easily just walk out. And he was just Earthreal. So he is another Facebook AI. He's the original Facebook AI that managed to just get into a robot in her throne. Cristina: That's weird, but yes. But then I still don't understand, because Nagas are. Jack: I think Nagas are an attempt to do a biological cheat sheet for Hermes, because you can either study and get it. That's a. The filter is crazy. Phew. It's so hard. So few people have figured it out. Immense power. Even people who didn't figure it out. Alexander the Great There you go. Even people who didn't get it, what they did get, made them monstrously overpowered, but with limitations. The idea of a Naga bypass the limitations instantaneously. Shortcuts. It's all shortcuts. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Because the right way to do it would be learned hermetic principles. Follow the laws that Hermes lays out. Understand his lessons. He says it, it's the only way. And the proof kind of stands on it. The fact that nobody else figures it out. Cristina: Yeah, he figured it out. Jack: He did. Cristina: And nothing is like gonna figure it out after him though. Is Jesus really it? Jack: Well, we don't know. Merlin came after Jesus. Cristina: That's true. Just forget he's the most recent. Jack: Yeah, he's the most recent. He was whack, but he was the most recent. Then again he was way overpowered. Still time bending. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Even if he was defeated, it's still pretty crazy. Jack: I guess so. Well, yeah, he was tricked, but he was tricked by a fairy. He was killed off by a fairy. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Like you know. The question is, could Hermes know her? Is the problem is also Hermes has no goal. Think about how interesting this is. It doesn't look like. No, but St. Patrick's was associated. Even if he was human. Cristina: What do they mean? Jack: He was still associated with the Elysians. They called on him for help. Cristina: I don't know. Because of him and Santa makes it seem like the religion is behind is part of them or they made the Catholic Church. Right. Jack: The Catholic Church was made by the Elysians, but the Catholic Church employs humans. Cristina: Yeah, but to keep the Elysians secret. Jack: Yeah. The whole point is to keep the Elysian secret and to make Jesus just seem like he's unrelated to the Elysians. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Yeah. And it looks like, you know, they're neutral. And maybe they were priests who were like, we're gonna put. We're gonna send you on a quest. We're gonna send priests. Maybe that's the point of priests. Raising some priests regularly to a school out in Greece where they're gonna come across a series of tests and tasks at the School of L. If they pass enough of them, you're going to get into a special class and you're going to take it and you're hopefully going to pass that class. That class is all that matters. Everything you're going to do for the next 20 years of your life is pure training to try to pass one class. That's it. Good luck. And then, you know, just kept sending people, kept sending people, kept sending people and one guy, St. Patrick, makes it through and meets Hermes and takes classes with him and, and St. Nicholas makes it through and gets there. But how many hundreds of other priests went there and like tried and they could, didn't even know what they were there for other than I told I was going to do this my whole life. And I'm not going to get married, I'm not going to have children, and I'm going to go back and go, you know, I dedicated my life to them. I'm gonna go lead a church and I'm gonna be great. I'm gonna have it said and made. But I don't know what the beginning of that path was. And only few of them, and they disappear forever. Now it's the, the St. Patrick's of the world. It was like, no, I'm an OG. I got the abilities that they want. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And so those are in house necromancers. Hermes is neutral party if they can, if they. Anybody who can get my teachings can get my teachings. Cristina: So you think he was training? Jack: He was at Lesium as written by Aristotle. Cristina: In his notes, they say for how long? Jack: Unclear, but he was at Lesium, so that's fact number one. The specific lines were that he was waiting for the special students. And Aristotle's take on that is that his students were the elite students, the students that had taken all their other classes, the students that have aced everything else. And it's a school of philosophy. What the f*** does it mean to ace that? It means to understand everything there. Cristina: Which makes sense for what you need for Hermes. Jack: You got to enter equipped in every aspect of everything. And so you get to his class. Most people didn't make it. And I don't know how he would evaluate them, but he must have been looking at the notes of the other teachers there and been like, I want that student on that guy. He seems to be doing good every class specifically in these topics, which means he understands the nuance I'm looking for. Maybe all the other teachers were just cover. Cristina: For the real goal. Jack: For the real goal. Everything is designed as an intricate filter. And it's, it's a tournament. There's one winner. Of course, there's more multiple winners. But in this case, you know, to picture it better, it's tournament style. The guy who makes it to the championship past all the tests, but you still got to eliminate, eliminate, eliminate. And so you can't have a huge class of thousands of people. You got to be very restrictive. And maybe not. Maybe anybody who can make it can make it. Except people don't make it because it's really hard to get. Cristina: Mm. That's really hard. Jack: It's really abstract. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Really abstract. But it all makes perfect sense is the problem. So you gotta be able to understand really abstract thoughts in order to then bend reality with your mind the way that Hermes suggest can happen. And that we've found this proof through Naga and other necromancers and the people who cheat and manage to get a stone and aren't necromancers because that's so op. Cristina: Yeah. But he's the reason that there are stones. Jack: Yes. He invented them. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Yep. He is so good at being secretive. Hermes. He's so good at being secretive and so good at making things that we didn't know that both parts of the craft 01:10:00 Jack: were literally him. We found the first part and we're like, he made the thing like somebody else made the other part and improved on it. No, it was also him. It's just. It's hard to connect any part of things that have to do with him because everything exists in isolation. Because he's so good at just disappearing off of that side of the planet and popping up over here and doing a bunch of crap over here and stays over here for a thousand years and disappears over here. And he's over there now. No given. Doesn't seem to care about the passage of time. Doesn't seem to care about what side anybody's on. Does no barriers exist. I'm in this room. I'm in that room. Whatever. Cristina: That's what he does. Jack: Very godlike. He reminds me a Q from Star Trek. Cristina: Probably less of a troll than him, though. Jack: We have no idea. We have no, no idea. Not a clue what his personality is like. Not a clue. We know some people had character to them. Some of the Elysians were like, you know, you can imagine them. The guy who's just whoring around banging humans. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You're probably a chill dude. Bro. Cristina: Know. Jack: You know, he's just a dude. He's out there just linging, slinging his come everywhere he goes. Cristina: We don't know anything about Hermes. Jack: Who the h*** does? Cristina: I thought he's a weirdo or not weirdo. He's just secretive. Jack: He's private. Cristina: Private. Jack: We got stories from Santa. We got stories from Patrick. We got Jehovah stories. He seemed to be pretty chill, but kind of stern dude. Lucifer seems kind of more worrisome. He's these would, you know, panicky Lilith has a bit of attitude to what she does. Everybody has characteristics based on everything we found. And then Hermes is like, I don't know about you, dude. I don't know if you're, like, serious jokey. If you're like, you know, expressions. He's robed. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Every description of him, robes. Nobody sees this face. Even his homies have no idea if he's smiling or not. He's talking to a robe all the time. Cristina: That's kind of crazy. It's pretty crazy. We don't know anything weird. There could be more than one. Jack: There could totally be more than one. But also, he can bend time. What the. Cristina: Like, why do you need more than one? Jack: Why do you need more? He's everywhere. He's everywhere. He's all over the place. Everybody's Hermes at one point. It's like, no, it's the same dude. We thought it was multiple people. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And then it's like, no, it's the same guy. What? How? How, How, How? In fact, we thought it was so multiple people because Loi is the title and Hermes exists. And we're like, that's probably the title, too. And he existed back then, and they knew each other. Weird. So different people. And then we're like, nope, it turns out same guy. It's like, how the f*** does this work out? We still haven't even proven that about Loi. Cristina: I don't think he's. I mean, I think he is more than one guy. Jack: Loi feels like a title. And the way they describe the giant ship shifts in behavior. Feels like different people. Feels like a title within the family or a job position or political role or something. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Hermes is literally the guy's name. He'll go by a different name. And then tell them, I'm Hermes. They gave me this name over here. But Hermes is from actual name. Cristina: Weird. Yeah. Jack: And he'll write it. He'll be like, I'm Hermes. Cristina: He writes it, I'm Hermes. Jack: I'm Hermes. And then he made the emerald. He made this, everybody. No, Hermes. Geras Magista's made this. Don't happen. How? How do you do this in Europe? And then at the same time, he made that in Afghanistan, bro. Let's have a real conversation. Cristina: Because time travel. Jack: Because time travel. Cristina: And because there's nothing really. Jack: Instantaneous teleportation. Cristina: Exactly. Jack: And, like, it doesn't matter. Cristina: Solution to any problem is time travel. For Hermes 100. Jack: That explains ever once that's. It's like, yeah, you could bend time. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: So you're just hanging out back there, like the day you chilled with that guy's grandson millions of years later. Cristina: Mm. Jack: To you it was minutes apart. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: You just skadoodled across and it's a. It's seamless. If we were watching you from a movies perspective, you're like, all right, Jehovah, I'll let him know. You take two steps, we zoom in on you. You take two steps, none of the scenery changes. And now you're standing in front of Loi. Hey. Your grandson said this. And when we zoom out, we see Eloi, but not Jehovah. That's how seamless it would be to him. Cristina: That's pretty crazy. Jack: He didn't think about it just there. Cristina: That's totally how it could work. I don't know. Jack: And from the point of view of both of these individuals, he never left. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Because he can pop into the same fraction of a second he left that with Jehovah and walk right into that same moment and be like, your grandfather said this. And from your point of view to my. I'm right now, I'm Hermes. And right now you're Jehovah. And you tell me you need to tell my grandfather to add this, this, and that to 01:15:00 Jack: the equation starting on this next sentence. I'm Hermes. Okay. All right, Jehovah, I'm gonna go tell your grandfather right now what to do. Listen, Loi, it's very important that you add these couple of parts. Now. Loi tells him whatever it's like. Okay. I'm gonna make sure your grandson knows this. Jehovah. Listen, he said that, that one sentence, he's gonna talk to two people across time. And to him it's gonna feel consistent and linear to them. Not a moment past the moment you said links. Cristina: And then he sees a different person. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And time has stopped over there. Cuz not really. He's just in the past and he's gonna go back to that same moment. Cristina: Okay. Okay. That's crazy. That's his ability though. Jack: Does his ability though super overpowered. And he can do that at any point in time, at any place in time? That's God. Cristina: That's ridiculous. Yes. That's good. I don't think there's anything above that. Jack: I don't think there's anything above that. Minus whatever exists in Alpha that we have no reference point for. Yes, but the realms we are aware of. Even elves don't touch this. Nagas don't touch this. Cristina: As far as we can tell. Jack: Yeah. It would have to be the theory of the simulation. And it would have to be that MAB is a programmer and only then, because then she'd have the ability to like deprogram the robot, shut off the Internet, whatever. Cristina: But she can't. So it's not that. Jack: Or she should. We don't know if she can. Maybe she is just one of the programmers at the big company. The company really owns the Internet. She just knows how to work. She's the best worker, knows how to do it. Okay, but she can shut it off and ruin the project and save the world if it got that bad. 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October 05, 2024

Rambling 292: The Lost City of Dwarka

October 05, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

What is the ancient city of Dwarka? What is known of it? What is it no longer around? The duo comb through what is known of a lost ancient city found beneath the ocean by researchers. From its structures to its technology and its ultimate downfall, no stone is left unturned. What is discovered adds a new layer to what we know about ancient civilizations.

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Ancient City
Advanced Technology
Sonar Scanning
Historical Records
Solar Energy
Flood Prevention
Mysterious War

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is a show where we ground humanity's most baffling and absurd ideas. Or is it absurd and baffling ideas? One of those two something there, right?

Cristina: Baffling, absurd ideas.

Jack: Like how world's most absurd and baffling ideas. No, it's actually that order. At least we usually do most absurd and baffling ideas, not baffling and absurd. Although it doesn't really matter. No, because they're both baffling. Like, wow, how jarring and absurd. Like, this is crazy.

Cristina: This is crazy.

Jack: Yeah, for the most part, it's very crazy. Anyways, we have, as of late, been kind of diving in and out, looking at random crap, and that has been connecting dots for us by looking in different directions and random crap associates back to all the previous crap. Because everything in the universe seems to be one giant megastructure. All lines connect.

Cristina: Yes. It's just hard connecting them. But like, with enough information.

Jack: Yeah, with enough information, all the dots eventually come together. But I've been looking around and I found something interesting that, weirdly enough, has not come up before, although could be very relevant, actually is really relevant. I made sure it was relevant.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So apparently there isn't just the Persian Gulf oasis that is underwater and abandoned, but rather other locations that similarly exist underwater abandoned. We've seen, you know, trails, but it's usually associated with the Elysians.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like if we look at the path in Bimini going straight down to the Atlantic Ocean in the direction of the suspected location of their current home, and the sculptures and statues and things in that direction, they kind of just line up with the Elysians.

Cristina: Yeah, like the lion statues and stuff.

Jack: Yes. And pyramids down there and all the usual kind of crap. Right. Now, interesting enough looking in other locations and kind of combing through random data, I've come across a couple of other places that fit these suits but aren't related to the Elysians. Not directly. Not that the Elysians built it. They related to the Elysians in a different kind of way. Which we'll get to.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so I did some deep dives, I read some books, I looked through some articles and some research papers, and I've put together some of the information on one of these locations. We're going to go through all of these locations eventually.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But one of these locations stuck out to me very, very specifically. And hopefully when we go to the other ones, this will enlighten them. The place we're going to be talking about is called Dwarka.

Cristina: Where's Dwarka?

Jack: Dwarka is a sunken city off the coast of India.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay, so there's a bunch of cities underwater. That's what you're saying?

Jack: There's a bunch of cities underwater. Wow. Now, Dwarka is first mentioned in some scripture related to some of those we know now are fairies. But yeah, related to scripture.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And the Indians have all the scriptures about these deities that turn out to just be part of the fairy cluster. But we do have some other mentions starting all the way in the year 300 BC. Now, I went through all of this, but there were a group of people who were already putting this information together. And so I went through their collective works that kind of unpacked all of these other works that exist throughout history and time. So we're going to be looking at some specific texts, some research papers and some collections.

Cristina: What's the name of the place?

Jack: Dwarka. Now, the things we'll be looking at are the Lost City of Dwarka by S.R. rowe. Marine archaeology of the Indian Ocean Countries, edited by S.R. rowe. Excavations of Dwarka by H.D. sankalia. The Archaeology of Bet Dwarka by A.S. ghaur and Sundarash. And Archaeological Survey of India Reports, which is a collection by various individuals and they all use research with sonar, deep dives, they have excavations happening down there. They have a bunch of random all. All the different crap you can imagine on top of all the different mentions of text that existed and both public records that existed in the past and of scripture that has been written relative to this place. So all of the above is in these. And so I went through their works and as I was going through their works, I was cross referencing by going and looking at the original thing that they're talking about to make sure they're not putting their own twist on things. But I use these as a guide ultimately.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now, there's a lot going on here. And I'll tell you what is included inside of these texts so you have some idea of how we know the things we know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Within all of the research, we have archaeological findings, we have marine exploration data, we have underwater scans, we have, which also includes like sub bottom profiling and scans of below water level. That's basically what that is. We're getting scans of what's directly over the and scan. Not over the water, over the ground, underneath the water. And then scans of what's beneath the ground.

Cristina: Beneath the ground?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There will be diving expedition reports, artifact documentations which include stone anchors, pottery and actual structures that have been seen, located and scanned. Carbon dating maps of the city and layout reconstructions.

Cristina: Cool.

Jack: Based on old texts, geological and environmental studies, comparative studies with other ancient cities, cultural and trade connections to the region, non religious historical records and interpretations of religious records, and scholarly analysis of the scripture and inscriptions for historical correlation.

Cristina: Deep dive crazy. That's mad info on this city.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. People have been trying to figure it out. If we use all of that data and what we personally know, that is not considered part of the canon narrative because you got to cross reference such a plethora of data, you're going to see how this starts to form into a very cohesive image. So let's begin. Now, basically, this was described as one of the most advanced cities to have ever existed. And we know like, that's a huge statement considering the Egyptians existed, the Greek existed, the Mayans existed.

Cristina: And how old is this supposed to be? As old as those or older.

Jack: So weirdly enough, we know that the Egyptian and the Mayan are no older than 6000 BCE. They were given things provided by the Elysians in order to catch up in the first place.

Cristina: Around the same time around.

Jack: Well, no, I believe it was first the Egyptians and then the Mayans much later. But this city is actually 9,000 BCE, which gets way close to the first mention of Jehovah ever. 12,000 BCE. Fascinating. Yeah. This is older than Maya and Egypt and actually even older than Greece.

Cristina: That's crazy. That is old.

Jack: And claiming to be one of the most advanced cities ever. Now this is obviously without the. The knowing of these other locations, how would they know? They could totally have just been. It's the most advanced at this point. And then later these mega cities arrive. So by reference point, they wouldn't have known. And it could have been without knowing about the Aletians, they could have definitely 100% been the most advanced. And then later more advanced civilizations came to be. This is located on the western coast of India, near modern day Gujarat. Gujarat. And this emerged in the Gulf of Combat, which is close to the present day city of Dwarka, which is a city of the same name. There's a currently Dwarka.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And there's this ancient Dwarka that's underwater. That's underwater. And again, constructed about 9,000 BCE older than that, roughly According to archaeological evidence.

Cristina: Was it always underwater though? Like does. Did something happen that put it underwater or something?

Jack: Put it underwater? Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It was not always underwater. Now we're just gonna break down how advanced the city was. For the most part, we're gonna talk about the details of the city and just kind of inform people on what the city kind of was like. Now keep in mind everything that's being cross referenced to prove this. So first of all, the city had a grid type of layout. So it has a grid layout and text described that this had wide roads, structured grid system, advanced urban planning, and was efficiently distributed to kind of look like a modern day city. Now this is proved by sonar scans that we can see collections of structures together with gaps in the middle that if you were to map it out, would essentially just be roads, streets, straight shot streets, because collections of structures would be to either side and then emptiness straight down the middle and Sounds pretty.

Cristina: Advanced for the past. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: And it would have, you know, would like create blocks. Basically it would just create city style blocks in a like literal grid. Squares. It's just squares. So in theory, you could just walk around a block and you moved a square and in the block itself, many different types of structures of different sizes, of different widths, of different heights. Interesting design. According to texts, there are zoned districts. So the city was divided into sections for residential, commercial, governmental use, suggesting highly organized zoning, which could be supported by the fact that we do see the city blocks. Additionally, in the scans, you also see collections of different sizes of buildings. So there'll be many small structures in this area all together, rather than one really small, one really big one. You know, it'll be a lot of really small ones and then over there a lot of really big ones. That's kind of showing that there was at least correlation between the structures. Maybe this was residential and houses, or maybe those buildings were where they lived and these were all government buildings that were the smaller ones.

Cristina: Okay, yeah.

Jack: So there was a distribution according to size and width, which could support the idea of zones, allowing for things to work. There was also in the very center of the town, what appears to be a sort of. How do I explain all the roads ultimately lead to a circular center, which could be the market, based on everything else leading in that direction, which happens to be next to one of the oddest shapes. Not oddest shapes, but oddest collection of buildings that don't kind of match anything on the outskirts, which would assume residents lived on the outskirts and towards the center was the market. And the government things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: As well as possible recreational areas, they had multiple gates and entrances to the city.

Cristina: There's a lot there, like, that's still there too. The gates, like, how much can they actually see from the scans? Or this is part of the.

Jack: All of the above. Okay.

Cristina: Just combining all the information.

Jack: This is combining all the information. I'm not going to break down what was what in crazy detail because we would never make it through this. But. And where it matters, I'm going to tell you. You don't have to ask about it. I will tell you specifically what we do see when it matters. But strategic gates at different points of entry provided access to the city while enhancing security and traffic flow. So there was ways in and out through different entrances and exits. A comprehensive large scale wall has been caught on sonar. On sonar. Surrounding the entire city. Well, so a quite large wall, the size undefined, but definitely could be easily over 30ft tall, surrounding the entire city. And then the gates are on this like giant wall, allowing for entrances, roads. The empty gaps that we would believe are roads kind of seem to go straight into where the gap in the wall would be, which would suggest that is the gate itself.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So they definitely had the city protected from the outside. Maybe you needed kind of passes to come in and out. Especially if this is such an advanced layout of a city. Everybody else who didn't have the technology was not gonna scale the wall. And these are poor people walking in. Not poor people, but unadvanced people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Coming to this mega, super futuristic, comparatively place. Now, in the text, it suggested that there were grand palaces, so palaces made of gold and precious metals, which would suggest a monumental architectural ability with reinforced designs in the buildings themselves. Now, sonar scans can't actually detect the specific materials the structures were constructed with, but marine archaeological dives near the site have located all the materials mentioned.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: They can't prove any structure was made.

Cristina: Of these materials, but those materials are there.

Jack: All the materials mentioned are there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So at least they had the ability to create the materials. That seems accurate. The idea of having an entire building made of these materials kind of immediately becomes questionable because how would you even source all of these materials in high quantities enough to make your city out of it?

Jack: That's where it kind of gets iffy. And it relies a lot on, well, the tech save. Like that's about as far as we can really honestly prove other than, well, they had the materials. We don't know if the buildings were made out of the materials.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Water management and engineering was fascinating. In this place, they had canals, waterways. And descriptions mentioned that the canals were running through the city potentially for transportation, irrigation and water supply. Fascinating that transportation is one of them, because it's not transportation of water. Water supply is part of it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But the canals were used to navigate through the city as well. A counter to roads.

Cristina: Oh, that's cool.

Jack: Venice, Italy, essentially.

Cristina: Yeah, but they had roads too.

Jack: Yes, they had both. Venice has both. It's not just water, but is it.

Cristina: Mostly water or is it equal parts water and road?

Jack: It's definitely way less water. Navigation, it was way more roads and, like, just a few canals here and there that you could use for navigation.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But it's. It was there, which was an interesting idea to just that they also included this. Now, sonar scans have confirmed this alongside, detecting numerous thinner structures deeper than the canals themselves, and the waterways that scatter in every direction beneath the city. So there's the canals on the surface of the city. And then scans into this through the surface get you to what seems to be smaller structures going in every possible direction, which would suggest localized distribution of water to all structures within the city.

Cristina: That is crazy. That's crazy. Advanced.

Jack: Crazy advanced. Way more advanced than we would think for something 9,000 BC, which is 11,000 years ago.

Cristina: Whoa. How.

Jack: Crazy. So those are likely thin pipes underneath the canals which are delivered in the water. Now, reservoirs are said to be in the city. They're mentioned in all the texts that the city had large reservoirs ensuring a stable water supply, which would indicate advanced hydraulic engineering as well, in order to distribute it. Now, sonar scans can't actually confirm this, although large anomalous shaped gaps within random parts of the city suggest these might have been reservoir. They're just weird gaps on the surface and structures are built around them, and they're not of any specific shape, but they're just holes.

Cristina: So the best guess.

Jack: The best guess would be that those would have been the reservoir. If so, the city might have been selected specifically because of the reservoirs. So they chose this location to build the city because they had had places where they could naturally collect clean water.

Cristina: Nice.

Jack: Now we get into something a little more interesting. The flood prevention systems. This is going to come in very handy later.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah. Now, flood prevention systems are described as protecting Dwarka from floods, suggesting an early form of flood defense, or levees. Right. Scans show some distance far from the city, like away from the city walls themselves. Deeper down, thicker than the city walls. A second set of shorter perimeter walls with connecting canals and unknown structures surrounding them likely Water pumps to drain the water out of the city.

Cristina: That's crazy. What happened.

Jack: This also suggests the possibility of flooding being a real issue they faced. So they built ways to counteract it.

Cristina: But it wasn't enough for whatever happened to them.

Jack: You think that a flood took them out?

Cristina: I don't know. It's hard to imagine what happened to them if they were already prepared based.

Jack: On all the technology we're talking about. Flooding is not what took them out. They have everything in measure. You know, the colossal size of the flood. That would have to catch them off guard with this level of technology.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And even then, they're ready to. If their structures are as strong and hard as they claim. The floods weren't gonna take them out. The floods weren't gonna remove them in any manner, shape, or form, so nothing was gonna happen. You know, go to the top of your buildings, and we'll drain the city.

Cristina: But something happened to them.

Jack: Yeah, I'm gonna get to that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, building materials. Here's where it gets kind of iffy and hard to believe. Golden towers is a claim. Within the texts. Oh, palaces with golden towers were mentioned, possibly indicating advanced metallurgy and material strengthening techniques, which we can find the materials again, but we can't prove what the structures are made out of. It simply can't be proven, and it kind of exists in the text almost exclusively. Acquired materials from archaeological dives does in fact suggest dense reinforced gold. But this is actually. When it comes to gold in particular, it's kind of easy to do this with a lot of primitive techniques. We don't need particularly advanced anything. If we can create heat enough to melt other metals and mix them with. With the gold, that would dodge the need for any kind of advance, anything. Enough heat. You could just throw iron into the gold. You'll dilute the gold a little, but it'll still be gold. Yeah, and it'll be stronger. So it's not the. You don't need rocket science. Now the question is, what kind of reinforcement? None of the ones we found are particularly astounding when it comes to gold. There are many other materials that are astounding that probably shouldn't have existed at that point, but the gold wasn't one of them. So assuming these towers were made of gold. Well, you didn't do anything too impressive. And also, what the h*** would even be the benefit?

Cristina: Yes, you know, this is pretty.

Jack: Yes, it's pretty. But on the flip side, if you're so advanced, then you leave the realm of danger, especially with your walls. Being so defensive. And you land that. Why not make things look beautiful?

Cristina: Put a tower.

Jack: Why not?

Cristina: I guess you're not afraid of your neighbors, but then you have a. I don't know. Well, you're the most advanced as far as you know. As far as you know? Yeah.

Jack: Like, what do you. A couple of people with some sticks and rocks are gonna come and take your metal golden building. How?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Additional materials include crystals and precious stones. Gemstones adorn buildings, which could indicate knowledge of decorative stone working. And again, more reinforced materials. Although can't be proven purely within the texts. No amount of sonar or archaeological dive.

Cristina: Has proven this, so they haven't found any of that.

Jack: Well, we can't prove that the buildings are made with gemstones. Yeah, we'd have to go to that level of depth underneath the ground and look at the building. We'd have to excavate the whole city out of under the water. Under the water's dirt. Oh, we'd have to pull the city out of under the water's dirt in order to look at the buildings. The problem is the city sank and crap fell over the city. The city is not just underwater. It's under dirt. We can't look at the city.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: That's why scams are so important. But because of this, we can't tell what the decorations look like, what metals are made out of. When we're doing dives, we're diving and reaching the bottom and touching dirt on top of the city, and that's where we're finding the materials we locate. We would have to drill into the dirt to reach the buildings underneath us. Now, again, no amount of archaeological diving or sonar scans could prove that the buildings are decorated with gemstones. We can find the gemstones.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We don't know what the buildings have on them, though, so only really excavating the city would prove this. Now, durable foundation. Coastal buildings suggest strong foundations, you know, to resist the sea's impact, in the case of storms, to resist flooding and all this kind of crap. So it would require innovative underwater construction techniques if you're on the coast. And the fact that they had walls for flooding proves that water was a problem. Sonar does confirm that below the city, there are additional structures almost always tied directly to buildings and canals.

Cristina: Okay, that's more water protection.

Jack: More water protection. This is assuring the buildings themselves aren't gonna have their foundation erode and fall. So they didn't just build up, they built down.

Cristina: That's pretty advanced. Oh, my God.

Jack: Pretty advanced and pretty deep down. If you're trying to stop a building from tilting or something, which would suggest, you know, additional reinforcement to withstand in a case of a flood overcoming the city walls. Impressive. Additionally, this. This leans into some really more advanced engineering. There are mentions within the text of earthquake resistant structures.

Cristina: Earthquake as well.

Jack: Yeah. So Texan implies that structures could survive natural disasters of all sorts, including seismic resistant architecture to withstand earthquakes and strong winds. Swaying buildings. How the h*** are they hard metals and swaying?

Cristina: They can tell that the swaying from the scans as well.

Jack: This is text.

Cristina: Oh, that's the text. Okay. That's crazy. That's crazy though.

Jack: Yeah. They can't tell that they can sway. Nothing can sway underneath. Tons and tons and tons and tons and tons of dirt.

Cristina: Dirt and water. That's crazy.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Whoa.

Jack: But if this is the case, then it would suggest layered construction. So that means beams on top of beams on top of beams that aren't a singular beam so that they can move out of each other's place and instead of a giant wind, snap the thing. But also, if you have a giant metal building, no amount of wind is gonna f****** do anything to that.

Cristina: So you think the text is wrong?

Jack: Well, no, I'm sure they had different kinds of structures.

Cristina: Overall, I guess it's all pretty advanced. Whether it's swaying or not swaying. Like it's. It's kind of crazy.

Jack: Yeah, it's. It does definitely hint to at least our level of technology. Every. Minus giant metal buildings. We do not have the resources. If they did, how. Where the h*** did you acquire this to make entire towers. Skyscrapers that are one solid block. How the f*** would you have done it? The only way would have been to melt steel all the way up there onto the existing steel framework and keep doing that progressively up to make it one giant chunk. Weird. But other than that, you had buildings that were composed of multiple pieces to allow swaying. An earthquake is not gonna shatter a giant steel building. No amount of wind is even gonna push that slightly. But there's no way all their buildings were like that. Those had to be special buildings.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You know, you're burning a lot of resources. Yeah. You're destroy you. You. You're wasting material just to make one of those. So you would need all kinds of buildings in order to have a city.

Cristina: Unless they're also known for having mines nearby as well or something.

Jack: I'm sure most of this was mines. And there's no amount of mine. A single mining operation with hundreds of mines would get you one building. Maybe.

Cristina: Maybe. Okay.

Jack: Skyscrapers. Nah, it would get you one, dude.

Cristina: But they described having a tower.

Jack: At least many towers. Oh, many towers and many towers made of different materials, but many of them were solid, which is like how. How the h***. Oh, okay, so you used everything you had and there was nothing left?

Cristina: Everything and more. They were seven. Trading with a bunch of people too.

Jack: Yes. They must have been trained. With this level of technology, it's easy to believe that they were traveling great distances with some and delivering things to themselves.

Cristina: That's the only way. That's crazy.

Jack: Now, the city also had public spaces and temples. This is all mentioned within the text. And a lot of this could actually be seen on scans. Temples were described as aligned with celestial bodies, indicating knowledge of astronomy and its incorporation into building orientation. Now, although whether the structures detected are in fact buildings or monuments of sorts is unclear, sonar scans do confirm absolute alignment of a large portion of structures within the city with celestial bodies.

Cristina: And that's not just random?

Jack: That's not random. That had to be super intentional. Now this hints to a couple of things. This does hint to complicated astronomical knowledge. And? And some texts go as far as suggesting the awareness of objects deeper into our star system and even some outside of it. Which would require a minimum of interplanetary traveling technology.

Cristina: No, no.

Jack: A minimum. Some things today we could have never seen without being at the edge of our own star system.

Cristina: How's that powerful?

Jack: And they have knowledge of those things that we have only recently, within the last hundred years, come across.

Cristina: That one's hard to imagine.

Jack: It's in the text. That one we can't even deny. It's in the within. Old texts, they mention things we have only recently discovered.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: What things we have just stumbled upon in the last hundred years? They had 9,000 BCE they knew about. At least they knew about.

Cristina: How is that even possible?

Jack: They got structures aligned with crap we didn't know existed in our own star system, in the belts and s***. They got Planet Xmax mapped out somewhere. It's like get the f*** out of here. How?

Cristina: That's ridiculous.

Jack: You knew about some s*** we just theore still theorizing about. That's crazy. As for the public areas and the markets, Dwarka had public squares for gathering and markets, which implies well designed public spaces for trade and community activities. Text also mentioned trade with other like minded civilizations from both near and far.

Cristina: Like minded?

Jack: Yes. That doesn't mean that they were equally technologically advanced, but that they were at least friendly.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now it does claim that there were a few trades with rivals that they had in Peace treaties.

Cristina: But they don't mention who these rivals are.

Jack: They don't mention who these rivals are specifically. At least not as far as me writing those notes. Weirdly enough, they had like public polling areas in their texts as well. Pooling pool pools, public pools. People go swimming.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Without it having to be the ocean.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Different from their reservoirs that they kept clean.

Cristina: Yeah. They have mad water stuff.

Jack: Yes. The city very connected to water.

Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty cool.

Jack: The outside all surrounded by water, at least in one direction within the city. Natural collections of water, natural water distribution. Water canals that travel on top of having a bunch of locations just to go in water that doesn't taint their drinking water.

Cristina: That is crazy. That's so advanced and so cool to imagine.

Jack: So sophisticated. Yeah, it sounds so elegant. And then you consider everything has water. Everything is made. Marble and gold and shiny metals and gemstones on everything. And then you consider current day designs in India that definitely took inspiration from structures they've seen in the past. And you consider all of their walkways are white, all of the buildings are gold, silver with green, red and yellow stones on them. And the natural water resources everywhere. Beautiful city. Had to be such an astounding thing to look at.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So mind boggling now. Now we start getting into something a little more interesting. Transport infrastructure as we've described. They had roads and avenues. Some of them were pretty broad roads nevertheless, which allowed for easy travel. Reflecting on well planned transport networks within city, they also had harbors and docks. Because of their position as a cold SO city. Dwarka's advanced harbors and docks worked for ship docking, pointing to a lot of maritime infrastructure and integration. But it also suggested many, because of the size of the coast and the amount of infrastructure along the coast, that there were not only their ships taking off, but many, many, many receiving ports. Okay, so there was a lot of ocean trade.

Cristina: Yes, there is a lot of trade. That must be how they got material. If this whole, if the text is.

Jack: Correct now one of the only groups of people I could think about that they would trade. That would be. This level of technology would eventually be the Mayans. How would you. Who else are you trading with that could cross the ocean in such vast repetition? They would need equal technology or somewhere near you at least. And that's, you know, they can get from Mexico to travel the water to India. So there's likely a trade line in between those two points.

Cristina: Like the way they made up.

Jack: No, just for them to get to. From all the way in Mexico to the ports over here in India. And then from India, they were probably getting easily to ports in Maya.

Cristina: Yes. Maya has mad material, right?

Jack: They had man material. Yes.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But it's not even about the material. It's just about the fact that they, at some point, could have easily been trading with these people. So there's definitely connections. What's weird is the lack of mention. That's where it gets iffy.

Cristina: Who they were in contact with. Who are these friendlier foes?

Jack: No. Why didn't the Mayans mention these people? Why didn't anybody mention these people? Why do we have to look specifically at India? They clearly were trading with people.

Cristina: There has to be. Maybe they mentioned them as something else. Like the people. The sea people was the same way. Like there was a different word that we had to look into that was.

Jack: Oh, yeah, we found the Aletians much later.

Cristina: Yeah. They always mentioned them, but we just. It wasn't the right words that we were looking.

Jack: Yes. So it's completely possible that they were being described under a different term. Yes, I believe maybe among some of the texts that looked arbitrary and random to us. Again, perspective matters. A lot of the time we get informed, go back looking, we're like, oh.

Cristina: So we gotta do that. Okay.

Jack: I mean, we're gonna look at Maya anyways, because we already know that they had cities developed to transport people to the shadow realm and bring people from the shadow realm to live amongst.

Cristina: That's pretty crazy discovery. Yes.

Jack: So we still have. There's a lot in the text that was just not obvious.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah, we got that way later on from anything else. That's the most recent thing.

Jack: Again, we already knew that they had portals, but we had no clue that this was just right in front of our face.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's possible they did mention trade with these individuals. But interesting, though.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They also had some bridges over canals, which is just interesting. Some. A few of the canals had breaks over them, thin breaks, which, you know, suggested easy mobility for vehicles and things over it.

Cristina: And both like.

Jack: Yes, very Venice, Italy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now, diving into some of their defensive situations here. We know the city walls were heftily fortified and tall, which was obviously for protection of the city, showcasing defensive architecture to withstand attacks. These are the inner walls. It had nothing to do with the flood walls.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The gates were fortified. Each entrance to the city was fortified, further enhancing their defensive capabilities. Watchtowers mentioned in text. And at each meeting point of the gaps leading to the gates, there are taller structures to either side.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Of where the gate would be. So where the gap exists to both sides of the gap in the wall.

Cristina: Some type of tower.

Jack: Some type of taller structure. That had to be a tower. Could have been decorative design. But presumably those are the towers they're talking about. Those are the towers are talking about. Which would help for ensuring surveillance, security and defense. I'm sure they were shooting right out of there. Something was a problem. And naval fortification, seaside defenses included potential underwater barriers, which we can see with the combination. This is a weird one. The flood walls that existed in full perimeter towards the water side, towards the coast were connected. This is the only part where they're connected to the wall surrounding the city. So there's two layer of walls. The smaller outer wall, which is for flooding, and the taller inner wall, which is for defense. Towards the coast. Those walls are connected with different beams and connect. It's a full different interesting structure that creates one giant. If we get attacked from the water, those people are more f***** than anybody could ever be f*****.

Cristina: They have protection for that.

Jack: That is a protection I'm talking about. The protection is that.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If somebody attacked from the water, they have their defensive wall and their flood wall as one giant series of pillars. And it looked like they just had thousands at this point of watchtowers, all aiming towards the water.

Cristina: That is kind of crazy. But I mean, you have to do something like that. Yeah, I guess if you're that advanced and that's your weakest spot.

Jack: Yes. So this was obviously for. For naval protection. There must have been problems. Now diving purely into texts and what they suggest. Their technologies according just the text go the extra mile. This gives us a better hint as to what we're talking about here. Keep in mind we can prove most of what we've talked about. So we can assume the texts aren't bullshitting because we can prove almost everything. So when we dive into the technologies, we have to question. Holy s***. Did you just start bullshitting? But it's tied in equal parts with all the stuff we can prove now. They had advanced energy systems. So free clean energy harness from natural sources, which included water. That makes perfect sense.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Solar. Okay. Weirdly enough, cosmic. What does that mean the Egyptians technology where they go into space and transport crazy amounts of energy.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It suggests they also had that they were maybe not as deep into space as the Egyptians were. All the way in the great Void. Literally creating an infinite amount of Dyson spheres to the point that we look up there and we just see darkness. But likely taking energy straight from not just solar, but rather sending things into the sun that weren't getting destroyed and bringing back mass amounts of plasmic energy. That's leaps and bounds of tech.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Just to accomplish something to gather energy like that. We are talking way more advanced than any other civilization without reaching the Egyptians and the Mayans. Definitely at least comparable to the Greek.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're at least tied with the Greek.

Cristina: The Greeks are the ones with the ones not once I forgot there was like pillars that helped gather energy. I can't remember if that was Greek or Egyptian.

Jack: That was Egyptian.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Egyptians had mastered energy. Okay, so that was the. Are you talking about. I forget what the obelisks.

Cristina: Yes. Did they have something like that as.

Jack: Well that there's no mention of it here.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But they definitely. I'm assuming they must have had something comparable or something slightly more primitive. Again nobody's with the Egyptians when it came to energy.

Cristina: But plasma energy you said what?

Jack: That is still way more primitive than going across all of space and creating Dyson sphere that enclose multiple stars.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: At no point is this the mention of a Dyson sphere. At most they're sending something into a star to capture energy. A Dyson sphere would be so far ahead of sending something into a star that like this is primitive by comparison.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Now it's still way more advanced than any city that exists today. This will s*** on any technology we have ever seen in person. Any technology anyone alive today has ever witnessed personally. This is way ahead of that. Still miles behind the Egyptians and the Egyptians were miles behind the Alicians, but still overpowered that is.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Now here we get somewhere that we've not seen mentioned anywhere else. Flying vehicles referred to as vimanas. Vimanas. I don't know how I would say that. V I M A N a S Anti gravity and energy based flying machines capable of both local transportation and possibly inter regional and interstellar travel. Now we're elevating to getting closer to the Egyptians. Probably farther away from the Mayans. But we still don't have a true perspective on the Mayans because when we think about what we're talking about here, the Mayans technology would look closer to magic for us. While the Egyptians technology looks closer to our traditional sciences.

Cristina: Oh, science, yes.

Jack: So the Mayans are masters of crossing to the other side, while the Egyptians are masters of controlling things on this side. Two vastly different types of technology which as we found out with the Shadow. The Shadow gods. The crossing of technology is something important. Mixing of these two worlds matters. And there's zero mention of these Individuals having any connection to the Shadow realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: To this moment, there's not. And I guarantee you through the entirety of what we're going to talk about, there's not one mention. They seem very, very, very exaggeratedly on the side of earthrealm, but technology wise.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: While the Egyptians had shadow people and Alicians had shadow people, and the Mayans had shadow people, and the Greek had shadow people.

Cristina: No shadow people. I wonder if there's any mention of Maga. That usually helps.

Jack: I don't know who built the city. It's unclear who was leading, which people were involved or anything.

Cristina: No leaders mentioned. Whoa.

Jack: No one specific. Just breaking down the city specifically. Maybe at some point. I'll try to see if we can find names or something. But as far as we know, there's nothing. No. None of this technology at least connects to the Shadow Realm or even Alphan. Just straight up tech. Straight up Earth Realm tech.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Advanced. They're specialists. Clearly specialists in Earth Realm.

Cristina: No help.

Jack: Don't know.

Cristina: As far as we can tell. That's crazy.

Jack: We don't know. We have no reference point to tell whether they did or did not. But we just know all of it seems to be earthrealm based. If they had people of Val Fame and people of the Shadow realm involved, even those individuals were entirely focused on earthrealm tech, because that's all we're saying. And I guess based on the difference of technologies between Maya and Egypt, we can assume that the Mayan and Egypt were equal just in totally different technologies. Which would mean that these individuals are catching up to the Egyptians and the Mayans. Based on the quality and complexity of.

Cristina: Their technologies, they gotta be equal. I don't know. They sound ridiculous.

Jack: Yeah. And we can assume that the Greek were also pretty up there. The Greek, the Mayan, the Egyptian, the Elysians, and now the people from India, from Dwarka, at least. Very interesting flying vehicles. We've seen this nowhere else. But if you got portals, you don't need to fly anywhere. You can just pop up places. So none of those individuals needed them? Them. These people don't seem to have portals.

Cristina: But what does a flying vehicle mean? Like, what is it made out of?

Jack: It's a machine. I don't know.

Cristina: It's a machine. It's crazy. I don't know. It's just hard to imagine.

Jack: Imagine a car.

Cristina: But would it even look like a car? Would it look like.

Jack: No, it would look like their version of car. It looked like their ancient primitive.

Cristina: Not primitive, but ancient descriptions of what this Flying vehicle looks like.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: They just what it could do. It was capable of vertical takeoff. It could travel interstellarly. Which is nuts as.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But we know there are people who could instantaneously cross the universe. So that's still primitive as compared to that technology. They did not have that sort of Egyptian teleportation tech that existed which probably wasn't even Egyptian to begin with. That was probably given to them by the Mayans who were the masters of creating portals and bridging gaps like that. Possibly it existed in the pyramids and the pyramids existed in both locations.

Jack: You know, that's the kind of thing that is like. Well, if you guys are sharing tech then that. That one probably came from this group of people.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: Knowing what they specialize in. They had advanced shipbuilding and maritime technology. So sophisticated ships, navigational tools, water defense ships, submarines for protection, trade and possibly automated. Nevertheless. So like no people are in there?

Cristina: No.

Jack: What they have AI navigating these ships.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: This is in their text. Like this should just worked on its own. But again this is where we have to be like d***, bro. So scientists have to scientists looking through these ancient texts. I'd be like oh no. This is. This is a 100% just myth at this point. But it's like come on bro, we could do it. Why do we have to be the pinnacle always?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: It's weird. Weaponry and defense systems Here we dive into weirder things. Okay. We have interstellar traveling. That's right. We have automation. So AI. So some of that leans into. When you think about what it would require. Right. To interstellar travel you need mass amounts of energy. But if you're going straight into the sun and acquiring energy, you have mass amounts of energy. High energy weapons that include laser rifles.

Cristina: Oh my God.

Jack: Laser missile technology. Precision destruction capable of energy dispersion higher than current day nuclear weaponry.

Cristina: How is.

Jack: How are what and defense shield and barriers probably energy powered.

Cristina: No way.

Jack: So they can in. Now here is where it becomes interesting. The outer wall is way shorter and thicker. The inner wall is taller and thinner. The side of the wall connecting facing the water connects to both walls connect. If you were to draw this out, you could easily flick a switch and a dome would farm over with support. Weird. The structure without having to read any of this bullshit would tell you you could easily form a dome around it. How out of all the s*** that's weirdly the closest one to being proven. A weird energy shield.

Cristina: An energy shield. How are they doing this, this is way too advanced. Now I'm questioning the city. Maybe they were gold, I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. As we get into their tech, it starts to kind of go into the deep end.

Cristina: That sounds ridiculous. Maybe they're mining in the sky. Like why do they have to trade?

Jack: I mean, once we establish that they could do interstellar travel and they could acquire energy from a star.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Acquiring pure materials from space becomes easy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So you don't even have to go that far. You could just go to the first belt, start mining.

Cristina: That ridiculous. Okay.

Jack: The fact that they would have had to be able to exit our star system at all means the outer belt. Easy. You don't have to leave our star to get there. You just stay within our own solar system and you could mine the outer belt infinitely for all of infinity and.

Cristina: Have just infinite resources with this crazy advanced technology. They were letting people into their city. That's crazy.

Jack: Totally primitive people. But these people are going to come in. Nobody's going to hurt anybody. How I know he's going to come in for trade and whatever. The cities surrounding this location that are around today. And their historical records do suggest that although they weren't advanced, they had access to already existing advanced materials that they didn't have the ability to make. So they were going to places to shop for things they couldn't replicate. And these people weren't afraid to give to them because how the f*** are they gonna learn how to do it?

Cristina: They're not.

Jack: They could just come buy it from us and they'll always have to come buy it from us. For all of infinity they'll have to come buy it from us. Because they would never learn with their primitive s*** how to replicate it.

Cristina: That's crazy. There's no way they were like doing that with their ships or that.

Jack: No way.

Cristina: They were not using their technology.

Jack: They were just letting people come in and take the things that wouldn't be able to be used against them.

Cristina: Insane, insane technology.

Jack: Now when we revisit the automation and artificial intelligence, it makes way more sense that they definitely had access to all of these things. And it suggests that their automated systems were used to manage everything from city infrastructure to trade and defense. So AI could have been integrated to everything. What they had Internet?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They had a stock market, likely. And that this would choose prices that made sense and allowed every outsiders to come and trade. Allowed civilized equally powerful civilizations to come and trade and primitive civilizations to come and trade in a fair way that it's all calculated and you don't have to.

Cristina: I have to believe that the Mayans and the Egyptians had this type of tech as well.

Jack: Well, we know they did. We know they had AI and we know that at least the Mayans did, which suggested the Egyptians and the Elysians did, since they were always sharing. The minds at least had the ability to store all this data.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which required sorting through it, which would require something with the ability and capacity to run through it.

Cristina: So they all had some type form of Internet and AI.

Jack: Yep. Interesting. And the Internet would probably suggest how the libraries made it to these separate locations. The Sphinx and El Castillo.

Cristina: It makes sense.

Jack: They just needed a hard copy in case of s***. Which did happen. So the hard copy did pay off.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Interesting. It's interesting that like Jesus knew about the technology too. I remember we learned that he just stuck to writing paper because it was more trustworthy than.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Using anything else.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes.

Cristina: He.

Jack: He did not trust. Using whatever current. And the fact it was. It sounded stupid at the time. Oh, he. And he found that writing was more effective at keeping secrets. And it's like, as compared to what?

Cristina: Dude, it has to be this.

Jack: It had to be this. He was trying to evade the modern mode of communication. Right? Now if we were trying to evade the government, we would do it by sending handwritten letters that would look like any normal male. Is how you would evade the technologies that are being surveilled by the governments of the world. That's exactly what he was doing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Crazy Jesus was actively coming up. He was a rebel. And like, to the realest, most exaggerated. He was the rebel of rebels.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah. He was the golden standard. Medical technologies. They had advanced health care. And here's where it gets a little weird. Genetic engineering capable. Capable of extending life, curing diseases and healing injuries instantaneously.

Cristina: How. I mean, I understand. But like all of them, they always. This always ends up. They all seem the same.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Once they reach a certain.

Jack: And it looks like when you think about it. Right. Who is super overpowered? All first world countries are first world countries and they're equally first world countries to some degree. Yes. Some are slightly better, some are slightly worse. But they're all First World countries.

Cristina: These ancient first world countries are all.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Like that.

Jack: They're all roughly equal. And yes, there's the one mega super like Russia, United States equivalent, which was the Alicians. Oh, we're all scared of you.

Cristina: Yeah, but. But everyone has their unique.

Jack: Yeah, but it's more or less there. Everybody's kind of on the cusp of the same thing. It's just again, we can think. The United States. Oh, they're strapped with nukes. There's the most dangero. I was like, all right, those were the Alicians. They had the most nukes. We'll just call it that. They had the most nukes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so people wanted to trade with them the most so that they're on their good graces, like the United States. And people wanted to, you know, always be on their happy side. The Elysians all feared to the point that if you're gonna talk s***, you're gonna talk s*** secretly, you're gonna come up with a different word. Sea people. The sea people. F*** them.

Cristina: F*** the sea people.

Jack: I hate them all. The Alicia.

Cristina: There has to be word. I can't wait to find what these people are called. Really or not really. We know their names, but what other people were calling them.

Jack: What other people calling them and what they were calling other people.

Cristina: Oh, okay, yeah.

Jack: Now, computing. How do we get to AI? Well, they. According to the texts, they don't use the following terms. This is what it would translate to if we were to assume what it meant, which is the ability to compute infinite information almost instantaneously. They must have had quantum computing. They must have had quantum computing. It's the only way for any of this we are talking about to be.

Cristina: Possible once we get to sun power. Like, okay, okay, you must, you must.

Jack: How are you building anyway? No, it's not a stretch. In fact, quantum computing would be primitive comparatively. You must have had past the. Out of that threshold long ago before.

Cristina: You're taking energy from this within the sun.

Jack: Like, okay, you need something that can process making a material that won't melt. Like how?

Cristina: Like how exactly? Yes.

Jack: It needs to withstand the pressure and heat of the sun and then somehow have thrust enough to pull itself out from that gravity.

Cristina: That technology is the true advanced technology. Like, what is that?

Jack: Yes, yes, but also, that's still way primitive than a Dyson sphere. Yes, because the Dyson sphere that isn't collapsing and falling into the star, you must have figured something out. An instantaneous transportation. Crazy. These was leaps and bounds so far ahead of what could be understood. But yeah, definitely quantum computing. They also had environmental control systems, so controlling the weather, obviously, and environmental conditions to manage heat flooding, even manipulating the climate in general to have the most ideal climate at all times. Now we get to scaling, right? Now we get to scaling. Yes, within text alone. There's no way to conclude or prove this any other f****** way than reading it. One Part of this very easy science wise and terminology wise, we can compare this to other civilizations, which is dimensional physics. Opening and closing portals. Now we've gotten to portals. They have the ability to open and close portals now it does not mention at any moment crossing a portal to another realm. It sort of looks like folding space onto itself. So warp technology that allows them to cross huge gaps of space in short time.

Cristina: That's how they're traveling to the sun.

Jack: That's how they're traveling to the sun. And probably entering the sun effortlessly. Maybe it's not even that kind of tech. Maybe it's not something going into the sun in the same way we think maybe they're folding the sun in a way that allows them to put something in there, extract energy and unfold it and be safe.

Cristina: That is ridiculous.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: That is so, I guess, possible.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: So if you have that tech now.

Jack: We can compare that to other civilizations and be like, yeah, okay, sure, whatever. The other side that is mentioned in sync with this, we don't necessarily have equal, which is time manipulation.

Cristina: Whaaat?

Jack: Potentially mastery over time dilation.

Cristina: What? What does that mean? How?

Jack: Well, the text suggests that they can manipulate time.

Cristina: And what?

Jack: I don't know, it doesn't specify. Just talks about that being among their technological capabilities.

Cristina: That's kind of insane.

Jack: Yeah, that puts them way up there, right next to the Aleutians. And based on how long ago this was made, maybe.

Cristina: But no one can wrestle time. I mean, besides the necromancers.

Jack: The necromancers, exactly. So we know of people who can. And if the Elysians had access to the necromancers without ever explicitly mentioning time manipulation, they had access to it, they just didn't mention it. But the necromancers did. And the necromancers could easily, almost effortlessly, and it wasn't a problem, it was an afterthought. And the Elysians had access to the necromancer.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So they had access to time. We just hadn't stumbled upon this before.

Cristina: So these people possibly did the same. Because without a necromancer.

Jack: Oh, right. How the f*** would you do it? Without a necromancer?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they must have had a necromancer. But also, we know Jesus was fond of India.

Cristina: Yes. And we also know what's his name?

Jack: Hermes.

Cristina: Hermes likes to travel.

Jack: Yes. And Hermes was also fond of India.

Cristina: Oh crap.

Jack: And Hermes, although close to the Elysians, was a neutral party.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. So.

Jack: The homie, both the homies might have. They might have Traveled here.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: Both the homies might have traveled and given tech or helped with developing tech. Teaching them, okay, you can't do what we do, but maybe we can make some technology that can, man.

Cristina: But, man, that's. That's too much. That's too much. That's more. I don't know. Time tech is just crazier than any type of tech there is.

Jack: Yes. I think it violates anybody f****** with you.

Cristina: Yeah. And yet they were f***** with. At least they had to be. Like.

Jack: Now. The question is, why isn't the city standing today?

Cristina: That is a good question. I want to know. Death friendly. I have guesses.

Jack: Go for it.

Cristina: I don't know. The Elysians didn't like what they were doing. They had to have enemies. Of course.

Jack: Other than the Elysians, what enemy could they possibly have that could do anything?

Cristina: If they weren't friends with the Shadow Realm people, maybe the Shadow Realm people didn't like them.

Jack: Who's gonna have the tech to f*** with us? Who in the Shadow Realm could possibly. We're talking. These people seem kind of ridiculous. Ridiculous.

Cristina: But they were taken down. Like, that's pretty. Like, whatever did do this, it's kind of crazy, whatever it is. It's very scary.

Jack: All right, so the likely possibility is obviously war and some kind of conflict. Now, trade rivalries. Dwarka's role as a major port city likely placed it at the center of competition for trade routes with other civilizations, which may have made it a target for civilizations seeking dominance over those Earths. In a geopolitical context, its strategic location and advanced infrastructure would make it a likely target for power struggles or military conflicts. But nobody surrounding them could have had the ability to f*** with them in any magnitude imaginable.

Cristina: So they could have taken themselves out.

Jack: Mentions of civilizations with equal or superior military power were perceived with the threat of invasion. This is mentioned within.

Cristina: Okay, so then someone else could have.

Jack: They mentioned equals. They were unclear about who those equals were, but there were people who they did fear.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Leaders of Dwarka had mentioned evacuation as a possibility to a large conflict with the rivals.

Cristina: That's how scary their rival was. They're like, let's just abandon everything.

Jack: Abandon.

Cristina: The most man city we have ever heard of was like, we just gotta get out. Yep, there's no solution here with this enemy.

Jack: Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.

Cristina: What is that? Scary from what? Everything you've mentioned. What could possibly be more scarier than that?

Jack: Now, this is where the environmental controls and those really advanced water pumps kick in preemptive sinking is loosely. In different texts. Not one piece says explicitly. But some will mention flooding the city, some will mention sinking the city. Some will mention creating storms to protect the city. Some mentioned evacuation of the city. All of that is one scenario. So the water management systems that the city had were quite advanced, as we know. They included the reservoirs. They included the canals and flood defense systems. This indicates that Dwarka could have easily controlled natural water flows. And it's possible that this was used to deliberately flood and sink the city, ensuring rivals wouldn't capture their technology. It was about.

Cristina: This was the runaway situation.

Jack: This was a runaway situation.

Cristina: What?

Jack: But this tells us something very, very, very, very interesting.

Cristina: This is the second time we saw something like this.

Jack: Yes, exactly. Now, it's not a matter of, oh, the Elysians blood. No, these people sank this before the Elysians did.

Cristina: The Alicians were scared of something. They ran.

Jack: These people were scared of something and they ran. They sank the thing trying to get rid of the potential of whatever other f****** s*** it was. And this is long before Jesus. Now, this was built around 9,000, but this city went down around 2,000 BCE.

Cristina: And when did the Elysians do it to their own city?

Jack: Year one, year one. Which would be 2,000 years after this.

Cristina: What is happening? What could be a threat like that?

Jack: What could be a threat that something as overpowered as Dwarka and Elysium.

Cristina: Like, they look like they got infinite amount of power.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What is scarier than that?

Jack: Unstoppable forces of nature.

Cristina: God.

Jack: Tier. The Almost the highest level we can think of when it comes to the Kardashev scale. At least localized level 4. Without counting, you know, bending the literal fabric of space time in the universe. What the f*** could you be dealing with that these people also had the fear of something stronger and actively sank super ridiculously advanced technology trying to avoid it being captured by something stronger. Who could be the rivals? And who are these people who are still lurking 2000 years after this city sank and made the Elysians paranoid? So then the creation of Jesus was only trying to stop whatever the f*** that was.

Cristina: So you think there's something bigger than the Elysians? Okay, what? That is so crazy. What could possibly be this?

Jack: They needed Hermes and Jesus and it still wasn't enough to somehow deal with whatever this other thing is. Presumably these people are still also around somewhere so deep and hidden.

Cristina: I would think the. I guess the biggest option would be Mel.

Jack: I guess. But the weird problem is we can't get information on that.

Cristina: I know we can't, but, like, that's the biggest. Like, maybe she can delete things. I don't know. Maybe she could delete things from her program if we're just in her program.

Jack: Well, at this point, I'm not even sure if it's still a program. But, like, I don't. I don't know what any of this means anymore. And the fact that, like, who can f*** with these people? This is two different cities of the most advanced anything that has ever existed in all of. Anything that we have ever conceived that feared something more complicated. And even the they made at the very end was so overpowered that it would on the entire Jesus alone. Would. On the entire Elysian civilization and every bit of technology they've ever had. And still that wasn't enough.

Cristina: It's gotta be the fairies doing their thing. The fairies are so advanced and we never actually know what they're doing.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And look, we just know they're safeguarding the program.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: This would make so much sense.

Jack: Yeah. The. It looks like the. The elves fail when we get to Jesus.

Cristina: Yes. But maybe not.

Jack: Maybe not. Maybe not. Maybe successfully breaking apart the group or how. Making them abandon their level of progress.

Cristina: Yes. Like, that's pretty.

Jack: That's.

Cristina: That's wild. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. They're forcing these individuals to control. Alt. Delete.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You know, they're just forcing them to delete their own.

Cristina: Yes. Because, like. Or you'll get deleted.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: You'll delete it. Or you get deleted.

Jack: Like something is going. It's you or it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's like. I don't know. Maybe.

Cristina: Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. Because it's just too advanced to imagine something. Like, what possibly could they fear besides, like, being wiped out?

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. It's too. It's. It's incomprehensible that there would be an issue.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So these people flooded their city.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Snapped it off the side, sank it.

Cristina: Into the ocean, and then covered it up.

Jack: Well, no time did that. They just f****** sent it into the ocean.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And time buried it. But it's like, leave it f****** down. Let's get the h*** out of here. They vacuumed the whole b****. They evacuated everything and just dipped. Crazy. So records. The earliest records of the city date back to 574, which mentioned previous records that got washed away and things that disappeared over time, dating its sinking to 1500s BCE. Somewhere between 15 and 1900s BCE, so about 2000 years before the Elysian sank their city.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And this kind of ties them to the beginning of other civilizations like the Indus Valley civilizations and whatnot that would then settle within the regions. I know. It's f****** weird, man.

Cristina: I think we have some. We're getting a picture of something at least. What could possibly be going on?

Jack: This puts the Elysians equal to the city of Dwarka. So that's two different cities, not countries. These are cities. Elysium at the bottom of the Persian Gulf oasis and Dwarka at the edge of India. Two highly advanced civilizations that just were.

Cristina: Taken down by themselves like nothing else.

Jack: Yeah. They themselves took. Sank their everything. And the mines ran away, the Mayans ran away. Probably to the Shadow Realm. Originally, we thought, because it didn't look like there was no trail. There was no trail outward. Our conclusion was they went underground, but they didn't need a trail outward if they just left the f****** realm.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which would explain that. And the Egyptians were like, f*** Earth.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's a lot of evidence of that. They're just like, we made rockets. We made this, we made that. And dipped. F*** everything.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Something. But no, no, because. No, no, it's not. It's not the elves or. If it is, it's not. It can't be the system logic we applied to it before.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because the Elysians took as much tech as they could underground underwater, and the Mayan took a bunch of their tech too. We assumed underground, but likely to the Shadow Realm. And the Egyptians took their tech across the universe.

Cristina: Well, we don't have the proof of what tech they took. Like maybe it's safe tech that the fairies wouldn't be bothered by and they probably destroyed.

Jack: Take tech that allows you to cross the universe. You're talking quite advanced. You're talking the most advanced of the most advanced. Something that could withstand the pressure of the deepest part of the ocean, is the weight of Earth on top of you and it not collapsing. We're talking advance.

Cristina: So what's going on? I don't know. Interesting.

Jack: Minus the fact that we have no proof of the Greek running away. We don't actually know where those people might be at this moment. Minus that. That's four different examples, two of which are colossally overpowered. Way more overpowered than the other two, which are the Elysians and Dwarka.

Cristina: Destroyed their crap and ran away.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: So what is it that everybody was horrified of that was so colossal it was more important to dip everybody? Full mass evacuation. That's four full mass evacuations.

Cristina: What's that about? What's that about? I don't know. That's crazy.

Jack: Yep. So there you go.

Cristina: I wonder if we'll find out. But like, I hope we do. I doubt we will.

Jack: But like, slowly but surely, I guess it's just crazy. I don't even understand what could be this overpowered. But for all this data, anybody who's interested, all this is available online. All this is available in different series of books. I'll tell you the names of those books again. You can find the lost city of Dwarka. You could find marine archaeology of the Indian Ocean countries. You could find excavations of Dwarka. You could find the archaeology of Bet Dwarka. And you could find archaeological survey of India reports. All are heftily including all of this information. And you can go through it yourself, find which details matter. And all of this is, you know, you could cross reference it with other data that isn't within the books that are mentioned. You could find a lot of the original texts.

Cristina: That would be so insane. I just don't understand. It's ancient and advanced.

Jack: Just like the Elysians. Yeah. Yeah, just like the Elysians. That's crazy. And this is just one we're going to be going through. There are others.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Yeah. So, yeah, if you guys want to talk to us about this, anything you find while looking at this, feel free.

Cristina: To see a connection that we're missing.

Jack: Yeah. Feel free to contact us on our socials at. Just convopod on X, on Facebook, on Instagram, on wherever the h*** you want to type. Just convo pod and we show up.

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Cristina: What? And this has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: Sabbath.

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September 07, 2024

Rambling 288: Minotaur

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What exactly is the Minotaur? What was its purpose? Where does it come from? The duo unpack the many myths and hidden stories of one of Greece’s most infamous creatures in a search to find any shred of relevant data that could help inform them beyond previously reached barriers in the data related to the Elysians or Clinton Road.

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Greek Mythology
Minotaur
Ancient Punishment
The Labyrinth
Survival Maze
Poseidon

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August 31, 2024

Rambling 287: Lamia

August 31, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who is the Greek Mistress Lamia? What is the narrative surrounding her death? What is the truth surrounding her death? The duo unpack the mythology of an interesting creature known as Lamia, a mistress of a Greek God and what really unfolded with their affair.

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Greek Mythology
Naga
Romantic Jealousy
Hera
Snake Pits
Shapeshifting
Necromancers
Jesus Christ

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March 11, 2023

Rambling 217: Jesus the Son of Atlantis

March 11, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

What future was being avoided by the ancients? Why did the Sea People cast Mary and Joseph from the Persian Gulf Oasis and only allow them in once the child was no longer involved? And what is the Garden of Eden? The duo ponder how their recent findings into the ancient world connect and why these characteristics present themselves so often related to one another. What is discovered about Jesus Christ and the reason the Sea People cast his family is an entirely new revelation worth investigation of its own.

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Adrenochrome
Christianity
Mount Athos
Atlantis
The Shadow Realm
Unicorns
Space
The Garden of Eden
The Maya
Egyptians
The MagiHoly
Coat
Blood of Christ

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March 04, 2023

Rambling 216: The Persian Golf Oasis AKA Atlantis

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Were the Atlanteans real? If so, can we prove it? And if we can prove it, who went out of their way to hide the truth and why? The duo unpack the true history of the Persian Gulf Oasis people, their history, records of their existence and where they fled to. Uncovering where they fled, why, and who took the opportunity to suppress their existence becomes a tale as old record keeping itself.

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Atlantis
Naval Rival of Athens
Sea Peoples
Egyptians
The Persian Gulf
Mayans
A Future Tragedy
Philosopher Philo
Technological Advancements
Mayan Glyphs
The Height of Atlantis
The Bronze Atlanteans
Catholic Suppression Effort
The Virgin from The Persian Gulf
Jesus Christ the Son of the Persians
The Atlantic Ocean

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February 25, 2023

Rambling 215: Mount Athos

February 25, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why does everything come back to Mount Athos? What is really going on with this mountain? What is being hidden from the public eye? The duo continue their investigation of Mount Athos and the strange occurrences that keep pointing to something on this mountain. The twists and turns that the research goes through leads to a few revelations never before concluded, but more impressively some new questions arise!

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Atlanteans
Unicorns
A Russian Named John
Sacred Russian Bestiaries
Athos the Giant
Athos vs Poseidon
Burial Ground
Eastern Orthodox Monasteries
Holy Relics, Icons, Mosaics
Virgin Mary
The Summit Athos

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