Rambling 287: Lamia
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Who is the Greek Mistress Lamia? What is the narrative surrounding her death? What is the truth surrounding her death? The duo unpack the mythology of an interesting creature known as Lamia, a mistress of a Greek God and what really unfolded with their affair.
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Topics Discussed:
- Greek Mythology
- Naga
- Romantic Jealousy
- Hera
- Snake Pits
- Shapeshifting
- Necromancers
- Jesus Christ
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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in five, four.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.
Cristina: I'm your host, Christina.
Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today we have some interesting things to learn look into. But first, as of late, we've been catching people up because of our jumping around. Anybody who is used to us following a giant cohesive narrative that we've been following for like two years isn't used to the old way. We were doing things of just casually picking things that kind of sort of related to this bigger theme that we didn't know existed. But we were just hunting monsters and figuring out what was going on. Except after a long enough deep dive into what we thought was an unrelated series of things that began with a creature, the unicorn, slowly spiraled into. Every creature seems to be related to this thing one way or another.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And initially we thought a lot of it had to do with the Elysians. When we started looking into the Elysians, but before then, we knew things about the shadow realm and many creatures who were in there. So we were hunting things like that. But before we knew about the shadow Realm, we were also just hunting creatures, trying to find out what the f*** these things are. We thought some of them are aliens. We thought some of them were interdimensional things. And weirdly enough, both of those things are kind of the same.
Cristina: Yeah, I guess so. Yeah.
Jack: You know, we knew this Chupacara was like a God like thing. And we thought it came from space looking for things. But no, it did come from elsewhere. But the elsewhere wasn't space. The elsewhere was a different realm.
Cristina: I don't know if you know anything that actually has come from space.
Jack: No, we know things that have gone out into space.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But it seems that everything we thought came from space we have proven with texts that mentioned it before we even looked up. And it's like, okay, okay, you guys knew about all these things ahead of time. So I was in trying to dig deeper into the Clinton Road thing that we've been looking at. We hit some walls because we gotta find things for this. We gotta figure out what's happening in the bottom of the castle. It's been sealed off. It clearly has a way in and out in a location that is undisclosed to the public because it's been kept absolutely secret with, you know, official reasons or whatnot.
Cristina: Whatnot.
Jack: But the castle it was on was Destroyed. So the entrance there is gone and the exit have been blocked and built around, so we don't know where they exist in the five towns that they're spread into. And then somewhere in this giant property, there could be a random manhole cover that's covered by leaves and happens to be in the woods. And that's the only way in or out of this f******. Like, who the h*** knows?
Cristina: It just sounds so suspicious. It just sounds like that lady with the house that makes it into a puzzle that ends up being a portal for ghosts and whatever.
Jack: Except she wasn't trying to hide anything that was just out there. So why were these people trying to hide it? What is the difference? And this is more recent than the house, too, so what is the point? And, like, I've tried to look. Like I said, the hardest thing about this was gonna be the castle. So we visited the castle.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But all it did was lead us to walls. So because we hit these walls and there's nowhere else to go. Look elsewhere. Maybe we'll get informed.
Cristina: Right, okay.
Jack: So we've gotten informed in the past just by looking at other places. We found the Elysians, and that informed a bunch of s***. We found the Shadow Realm. That informed a bunch of s***. Things that we thought were unrelated. So as I'm looking through random crap, looking through old notes, I come across as, you know, the fact that Zeus was kind of pretty successful at creating Nahaz.
Cristina: Okay, yeah.
Jack: Not Naha's Naga. Nahaz was a specific. Naga is the one from the Garden of Eden's research team. Nahaz is the one we call the Serpent. But so we know that he successfully made a Naga, and we know that he got his Naga to successfully make some that worked and some that didn't, like Medusai and her sisters and crap like that.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Yes, okay. But still have kind of OP abilities that are kind of sort of fairy like. And in looking at that, it came to my mind that, wait, this is the first instance of more than one, more than two, Many, Several. And so I'm like, okay, if you figured it out, you didn't also just stop. Those just happened to be the main narratives, right? The ones that are important because you figured it out, you want to be able to replicate it, and holy s***. That I immediately find something. I was like, there must be more. Just logically speaking, if nobody else could figure it out, the guy who did is probably going to mass produce them. That's the advantage right there.
Cristina: You're OP now he has a Naga army.
Jack: He Would have to. Right. He would have to build. I mean, not a Naga army, but he would have to make multiple. Logically speaking. And I stumble upon a thing called Lamia. L A M I A Lamia. And Lamia is described as a half woman, half serpent. But Lamia is not Medusa or the other Groguns. And Lamia is not Glycon. And Lamia is none of these things.
Cristina: She's from the same area.
Jack: She's Greek.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: She's Greek, specifically related to Zeus. Oh, weird. So I was like, okay, this is odd. But like, we can easily find it now because. Yeah, you had more than one and you instructed something to make it. Just because we only stumbled upon the three and didn't dig deeper, doesn't there isn't more? Yes, but there's definitely more. She's not even the only one I found.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But she's the most interesting one I found. So, as we said, she was originally mentioned in Greek mythology. And very specifically, the same thing that shows up again is half woman, half serpent. Half woman, half serpent. Very, very directly. It seems like Zeus wants Kido to continue making things that are half and half, not fully one. Or Kido is obsessed with not actually succeeding and going halfway because he wants to be the powerful one.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: I don't know the point of why they're always half and half. If a Naga is not. Anaga is not. Yeah, Anaga is a full fairy serpent.
Cristina: Serpent thing.
Jack: Yeah, absolutely. 100% a serpent.
Cristina: For some reason, he only makes halves and halves.
Jack: All of them are. Now they're really overpowered to the point that they are more OP than a bunch of the s***. Alicians didn't like some of this crap because of how OP it is. Meaning they felt, you know, some of these things were a problem to some degree, but they weren't. Naga, is it because it's impossible to actually go all the way? But no, because we know of people who've accomplished it.
Cristina: Yeah. So did they do it on purpose? And what was the purpose?
Jack: What is ultimately the purpose? So I dive into the story to just what do the Greek have to say about this? What is the main narrative about Lamia? So here we go. First of all, Lamia was the queen of Libya according to the Greeks.
Cristina: What?
Jack: She was the queen of Libya. Okay, but weird that the queen of Libya is a half serpent, half a woman. But whatever. The Greek had weird stories to tell.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: You know, everything was odd. Now, where this became really interesting to me is the fact that she was in love and loved by Zeus.
Cristina: Okay, yeah. Well, she always have snakes, though. Is that part of her story? Okay.
Jack: She's always been.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Always been half serpent. And Zeus is into serpents, I guess.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And upon finding out that Zeus was having an affair with her, Hera becomes jealous and curses Lamia to lose her children.
Cristina: Oh, hush. Okay.
Jack: And transforms her into a monster who would devour the children of others.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Whoa.
Jack: Hardcore.
Cristina: Hardcore.
Jack: So let's unpack this for a bit. Zeus loves a half serpent lady, but I guess he's a God and he f**** random s***. Like, whatever, dude, you're God. What is a human to you? You're a God.
Cristina: He's with someone who is not cool with.
Jack: He's someone who's not cool with that. But he's always cheating on her. All his children are from different women. And he has, like, 100.
Cristina: Yes. But does she get her revenge like this to every single lady?
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Like, how does.
Jack: Hera is. Hera is known as a total b****.
Cristina: He's also a monster. That's okay. With the reaction. Her reaction. Whatever he does. Because he's not getting hurt. It's just the people he's with getting hurt, and he's not feeling that well.
Jack: The logic goes as follows. He loves one person deeply, and that's Hera. He loves other people. Not deeply. He loves to love. It's the idea of, you can truly be in love with one person and love many other people who you're not in love with. Yeah, you want to be romantic, and, yeah, you want to f*** and you want to have. But there's one person who you are committed to.
Cristina: But do you not feel bad for these people that are suffering?
Jack: Well, they know they are also involved. They are not an uninformed party.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: In all of these cases, they are the informed party. Everybody's informed.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Zeus is not a liar.
Cristina: There's a chance that you'll die or you'll have to kill your loved ones to be with me. That's. That's tough.
Jack: No, I'm sure all of these God women are like, I could take. Oh, I guarantee you, every single one of them. The gods are full of themselves.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Every single one is like, I could take her. It's not a problem. But Zeus has always been committed to Hera. And he's like, I'm not gonna say to my wife, she said, you banned, so you banned.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But Hera is fine until she's not.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Like, she knows. And then I guess she just doesn't want to see it ultimately just like, don't bring it around me. Don't bring it around me. You come home to me and you don't bring any of them b****** around me. And when she sees them b******, them b****** gotta die or become other s*** or whatever the f*** she does.
Cristina: Just live a miserable, miserable life.
Jack: Yes. But to his defense, he 100% seems absolutely committed to Hera, because that's who he doesn't violate. She's like, I gotta kill this person. He's like, s***, I guess you gotta kill this b****. And it's like, d***, bro. Okay, you at least committed, okay? And like, I respect that. I respect the guy who can stay committed. And realistically, yeah, you love other people. Realistically, but you're not going to betray who you're in love with, which is Hera. Great important detail because of where this is going to go.
Cristina: Really?
Jack: That was. That was not without purpose. That rant was absolutely within reason. All right, so, yeah, Hera kind of notorious for tossing people into weird situations, killing them, turning into other s***, ranking them, sending them into other f****** planes of existence.
Cristina: Do you know what kind of monster she turned her into? Like, what does she look like?
Jack: He. She made her existing form feral. She was a woman, and now that woman became a monster based on that woman. Oh, so it's just she became a feral monster. She was still a woman snake thing, but now she was a snake woman. She wasn't before she was a woman snake. Now she's a snake woman, if that makes sense.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And like, yes, that's the priority right there. She's like, okay, now you're primarily the serpent. Enjoy killing all the children you would love.
Cristina: Harsh. Okay?
Jack: Hardcore.
Cristina: Hardcore.
Jack: But if she knew, then she opted into the possibility. That's more on her for thinking she could step into number one spot. And it's like, we all know where Zeus stands, and it's by Hera.
Cristina: Okay?
Jack: There's not a soul who's ever questioned if Zeus is going to turn on her. He's not going to. Why would he? Which means you opted into the situation to some degree. You weren't aware of what extent or what move. But you know, if you get busted, you. You f*****. And so you did, and I f*****. Okay, now let's break apart her appearance a little. Described as having the upper body of a beautiful woman and the lower body of a serpent. Right, let's dive into a little more detail. One thing that I found, which, again, as I say it, the image as I keep Moving forward, the image is going to build itself. She has the ability to shapeshift.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And that's an important little detail right.
Cristina: There because that's always involved.
Jack: That's a clever little tidbit. Oftentimes into either a pure woman or a pure serpent. Those seem to be her main go to. She can shapeshift into other things. But when she's in her pure woman form, after her interactions with Hera, she lures men in this woman form, and usually men with children, intentionally trying to get to the children and eat them.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.
Jack: And when she's in a pure serpent form, she uses that to blend into nature where there would already be children.
Cristina: She's actually. Oh, my gosh. That's horrifying.
Jack: Yeah. She became. It's not just like, you're gonna be a thing. And it's like, yeah, I'm gonna go live my life as the same s***. I am just waiting. No. Hera f***** this lady.
Cristina: Now she hungers for children.
Jack: Now she hungers for children.
Cristina: Oh. Oh.
Jack: Weird, right?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Lamia, the lady who will eat children. But again, there's some patterns that are forming. I don't know if you're spotting them as I'm going through this. Shapeshifters, children.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Let's dive into some of these behaviors. They are going to paint even stronger image. She usually appears at night. Succubus behavior right off the bat. And the fact that you're luring men. Odd.
Cristina: Odd.
Jack: Luring men at night.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Sounds like a succubus. As far as I know.
Cristina: Yes. Yeah.
Jack: Which is already a shadow realm creature. So luring men at night and using the darkness to confuse and more easily abduct. Very, very succubus. The only difference is succubus are kind of mermaid, like always by water and s***. It's most likely a succubus is a mermaid and a mermaid is a succubus. Maybe different variations of the same thing. And by the end of this episode, if we remember, we could address that because it's gonna make sense why we would have to compare those things if we remember to.
Cristina: Okay, so you saying she didn't like magically turn her into a feral being. Now she is like the feral version of whatever creature she was. Like adrenochrome. Maybe she was given adrenochrome and killed and now she's after that or something like.
Jack: It's complicated. No, she was definitely a serpent woman.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: There are serpent women? Yes, according to the Greek myths.
Cristina: But now she's a feral serpent.
Jack: Yes. But I don't think she was the non feral version of something that's inherently feral.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: I think there are just, according to the Greek myths, serpent people.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Who are just normal people. And then there's weird other anomalies like the Gorgons and s*** like that. Or the Grogans. It's either Grogan or Gorgon. I don't f****** know. Medusa and her sisters and Keto, things like that. So those are weird artificial violent things. While Lamia didn't seem to be. It was just more of a literal person who happens to be of a specific race, maybe or something. It's not entirely clear. Yeah, there's actually very little information on this. This was a particularly difficult find, which is what made it more interesting because of the paths I had to take to get here. That informed quite a bit. But yeah, it looks like she was not some kind of weird thing. She was turned feral.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And there isn't a thing like that. As far as we know, that is specifically her kind of a creature that was a person. Or that she's the non feral version of something specific or race or something. It looks like she's just part of a race of people who happen to be. I don't know where the f*** the rest of her people are. There's no mention to that. Maybe you just made the weird serpent lady queen because she doesn't look like the rest of you. I don't really know the logic behind it.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But she was just a normal person other than her half serpent part. Now, when in her serpent form, she is known for consuming the children. When in her woman form, she is known for luring men. And when they don't have children, she kills the man.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Then there is little detail about what happens to the man that might inform what happens to the children. Because it's always described as eating. But when in her woman form, she is known for luring men. And when they don't have children, she kills the man and drinks her blood.
Cristina: Of course.
Jack: Of course. Very specific behavior. Now we gotta address how Hera accomplished this. Exactly.
Cristina: That's what I'm wondering. She turned her into.
Jack: Well, that's the end of the story. According to the the narrative of the Greek myth that is most promoted based on this.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: There's no more information right after that. That's where it ends. These are the events that took place. So what the h*** did Hera do?
Cristina: She turned her into. I don't know, a shadow realm creature.
Jack: Somehow How? The. She obviously drowned her in adrenochrome or some s***. Force fed her some s***. But how had she know? I mean, they're always f****** around with adrenochrome. But Hera knows.
Cristina: Why not?
Jack: Why would she?
Cristina: I don't know, but it depends. Like, what happens to these other women that she tortured?
Jack: Nothing like this.
Cristina: Nothing like this.
Jack: No, I would have. I would have talked about it. Obviously. Okay, so no, this is the case.
Cristina: This is the one case that happens.
Jack: At least this way. Yes, I looked at the other women. No, this is the one.
Cristina: Interesting.
Jack: So what the f*** happened? So she finds the lady and then what? You force fed her a dream? Where the f*** did you get a dr? How do you know adrenochrome was a thing? Even if you heard him talk about adrenochrome, how do you know specifically how to get it, how to make it? Hera knows a little something.
Cristina: Has to know something. Part of the team.
Jack: One of the gods, you would think, right? Yeah, but then who's on her side? Everybody's on Zeus side. Yeah, and Zeus sides with Hera. But Zeus isn't gonna tell his homies. Go, obey Hera. No, in fact, his homies tend to not like Hera a lot.
Cristina: Yeah. So she was snooping around somebody.
Jack: They would have caught her. Bro, we're talking about the most secure facilities in existence.
Cristina: There's no way she just stumbles upon this either.
Jack: Exactly the problem. There's also no way she entered these facilities. There's no way. Not in a billion trillion years. Considering specifically who she is and how she's known to behave, doubtful they would have let her anywhere near one of their labs. 100 guarantee you she didn't end it. I looked just to confirm the fact. Like, did she? There's no narrative that talks about her entering spaces relative to this. If there is, she was so f****** sneaky that nothing was registered ever. And we're talking about quite advanced facilities. She would have been busted.
Cristina: But how did she do this?
Jack: Then it has to be outside of the facility.
Cristina: How?
Jack: How did she accomplish turning Lamia into a feral person?
Cristina: How do you think?
Jack: Well, I don't know my conclusion, my thought is that perhaps she caught her and force fed it to her. But then the question is, how did she acquire? How would Hera stumble upon adrenochrome? What paths could she take? Who do we know that she could have been in contact with? There's so little about this interaction.
Cristina: And anyone she knows because we don't know anyone that talks about that's involved in adrenochrome.
Jack: We know many who are involved in adrenochrome. What do you mean?
Cristina: But, like, in the Greek gods. Any of them.
Jack: All of them have touched it one way or another. They literally discovered ambrosia. They have ichor in their position. And they have nectar, which a bunch of them consume specifically because they couldn't figure out how to do it without it, the way that the Elysians did with the stones and other methods. Okay, so they definitely had access to it. But why would she? And how would she.
Cristina: But why wouldn't she? Like she's one of them.
Jack: No, she's not.
Cristina: She's not.
Jack: She's the wife of Zeus. But she's not a scientist. She's just the wife of Zeus. And a particularly wild gun that they're not gonna let into their facilities, destroy all their s***.
Cristina: Mm. She knows enough. I don't know. It doesn't. It feels weird that she would just know how to do this.
Jack: We're missing the middle part, where somehow she did, in fact, acquire adrenochrome and then force fed it to this lady or something. What we know is that she knows Zeus.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And that this lady became some feral thing. And everything in the middle described is obviously adrenochrome related, but we also know she had no interaction with any other scientists in the facility, and that none of them like her.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And there's no mention. Not one. Which it would have. We found threads of the randomest s***. Not one mention of her hanging out or associating with any of these things.
Cristina: But she knows, Deuce. And he knows the information.
Jack: Yes. He's also not going to tell the lady, who is constantly having mood swings and having weird power moments.
Cristina: He doesn't have, like, the work at home.
Jack: And I assure you he doesn't, considering that it's the same work that the Elysians would like to confiscate. You're going to keep it in the most secure place, away from where they can easily come and take it from you. They're kind of op. You're going to take your work home, knowing how this s*** could just go down. Yeah, and they never did. Which means you didn't take the work home. Or you did take it home, and for whatever reason, they were just like, oh, let it go. And then this lady's op, that doesn't work out.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: They're too thorough. Deletions are mechanically thorough. It's computers at this point.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So he never took the work home. She Never entered the lab. His workers don't like her. And she still managed to turn the lady into obviously speaking an adrenochrome rampant creature. Who needs more adrenochrome.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Weird. And I don't know. So we know Hera has banished many women different ways. Never this way. And she is again hated by everybody. Nobody sides with her. They all side with Zeus. Although Zeus is a ruthless maniac himself. The loyalty or fear, one or the other. But then Hera behaves this way. It's definitely not the fear. Loyalty. They must just like him more. Yeah, but then again he is creating these. He kind of just successful at doing some s***. It's impressive. So successful. For many years we thought he was just some background noise that was being ignored by the Alicia. And then we found out he was one of the few to accomplish some of these really complicated things that the rest of them failed at. Like creating successful Naga. Even if it took a bunch of s***** experiments to get there.
Cristina: But she's one of them. No, she. She wasn't made at all.
Jack: No, she was just already a person who existed like that. Yeah.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: There must be a race. There's other serpent people who are not anything weird.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Greek mythology is packed with serpent people.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Some made like the Grogans. And some who were just born that way. Like Keto.
Cristina: But I don't know.
Jack: Yeah, neither do I. Interesting though, the fact that she had the ability to do this.
Cristina: Yes. Without any help. As far as anyone can tell, without.
Jack: Any help they have their kingdom. And she managed to get a hold of Lamia and somehow force feed Lamia or Tricker or something. And she then becomes this feral creature.
Cristina: That's ridiculous. I don't know. It feels like she needed help. But who would help her?
Jack: Okay, so then I will continue forward since trying to figure it out is a pointless endeavor. Now we've done appearance, we've done behavior. Now here's where we get into the weeds of the situation. We have to deep dive into the hard explain many different texts, primarily focusing on Homer and Apollonius. But there are six or seven different versions of different texts that are going to inform the story. There's a lot of cross referencing that piece this together. But again we're focusing on the texts from Homer and Apollonius. Although there are some details from other individuals here. Now we find the story plays out a little differently when we do look at their references. And the story begins with a lady called Khalees. So Khalees is the name of a woman with which Zeus was having an affair.
Cristina: Crazy.
Jack: One of the many. And is discovered by Hera. Now, very important to point out that in the Greek myth that is popular, Hera always knows that is explicitly mentioned. It's also explicitly mentioned in Apollonius's writing that she didn't know and she discovered Khalees.
Cristina: Okay?
Jack: Hence the anger in the first place.
Cristina: That makes changes.
Jack: Cheating on me, you piece of s***. Blah, blah, blah. What the f***? Imma smack that b**** up. You know, Instead of being angry at Zeus, you cheating piece of s***, now I'm gonna smack that b**** up. Khalees probably didn't even f****** know. Then again, he's Zeus. Khalees probably knew. Yeah, he probably knows. You know who Hera is. Come on, bro.
Cristina: Yes. Okay.
Jack: They're the rulers. You knew he was sneaking around. You had it coming.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Now details that matter without Zeus being aware. During Khaleesa's final visit, Hera uses Zeus guards and has Khalees royal guards killed. Then tosses Khalees alive into a snake pit to die.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Hmm?
Cristina: They just have a snake pit.
Jack: It's ancient Greece.
Cristina: I know. This is so crazy.
Jack: The snake pit consists of hundreds of snakes no larger than a human arm, according to Homer's texts. No, Hugh. Because my initial thought is you're gonna fuse with a f****** snake or something. I don't f****** know. Yeah, it's ancient Greek mythology because this girl Khalees is not a serpent woman. Let me point that out. Apollonius says beautiful woman, pointing out that she has walked a long time because her legs were visibly muscular.
Cristina: She's human, pure human.
Jack: Khalees was pure human, while Lamia was not. Lamia is bottom half serpent. But Apollonius doesn't agree with this narrative. Apollonia says, no, that was a woman. He was having an affair with a normal human woman probably.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And thus makes more sense that she was the queen of a civilization of normal human people.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And definitely there's no such thing as normal born f****** earthling.
Cristina: Are you talking about the same person?
Jack: Yes, this is the same story. Oh, this is them all talking about the same.
Cristina: One of them that we already talked. Yes.
Jack: The Greek myth and everything I'm telling you right now is their take on the same Greek myth.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: This is Homer, Apollonius and a few others talking about this very same story.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Which puts Khalees, the queen of Libya, as just a human.
Cristina: Okay. Which makes more sense. All right.
Jack: Just a human lady called Khalees. And she had very muscular legs because she. Not muscular, but she had toned legs. Because she walked a very long time. She loved walking. And she had royal guards who Hera had her royal guards disposed of on.
Cristina: Her visit and then murdered her.
Jack: Threw her in a snake pit.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: To die. Didn't say she murdered her. She threw her in a snake pit to die, which presumably she died there, but that doesn't mean she murdered her. Snakes would have.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: She definitely left her to die, though. And again, the snake pit consisted of small snakes for the most part. No snake is eating her whole. That would be impossible. To the length of an arm. You can't eat her. Okay, so interesting little details.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: The pit was explicitly designed to starve people to death if the snakes don't squeeze them to death. Lovely ancient torture device. Lovely ancient torture device. The important part comes now. We shift our view now entirely to Homer because Homer had some interesting tidbits that didn't make it to any other body, anybody else's story, and didn't even focus on the family. It focused on a random guard.
Jack: Let us unpack. With the upper body of Khalees and the lower body of a serpent. A guard sees Khalees flee into the forest during the night.
Cristina: What did he see?
Jack: The guard sees the upper body of Khalees and the lower body of a serpent flee into the woods.
Cristina: Okay, so she somehow transformed in the snake pit.
Jack: But how?
Cristina: How? Yes, how? That's very strange. That's his part of the story.
Jack: That's his contribution. He gave us this tidbit that nobody else mentioned, but allows us a little more information than just somehow. A civilization of humans put a serpent woman in charge of them fearlessly. No, it makes more sense to put a Greek God. They look like humans who are just real op and huge.
Cristina: Yes. But he's trying to explain how she looks.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: I don't know. That's weird.
Jack: Got muddy quick, right?
Cristina: Yeah. Unless that wasn't like a normal snake pit.
Jack: It was absolutely a normal snake pit.
Cristina: Well, how would she walk away like that?
Jack: I don't know. She gets tossed in the pit. And then a few days later, a guard doing his rounds sees her upper body somehow bottom half. Serpents now fleeing the pit into the woods, into the forest, casually.
Cristina: She somehow transformed in the snake pit.
Jack: She somehow transformed in the snake pit? Yes. At least it seems that way.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Weird.
Cristina: That is weird.
Jack: Very, very strange. So what do we believe happened here then?
Cristina: I don't. It wasn't a normal snake pit. Do you think it was a normal snake pit?
Jack: It was. I'll tell you what. The next line in his story. His correction of the story tells us, which will enlighten a little more. The next morning, after the guard reports what happened, they visit the pit and find Khaleesa's body still in the pit.
Cristina: So it was involved Shadow Realm.
Jack: It did not.
Cristina: It's a shadow Realm creature of her. But her dead body's there. So he did not see her dead body. No, but it was her. Is her adrenochrome version? I don't know.
Jack: Her body is still in there.
Cristina: Her body's still there.
Jack: She is f****** dead.
Cristina: Yes. But there's something out there.
Jack: Yes, for sure. There definitely is. A woman gets tossed into a snake pit where she fears for her death. The snake pit is filled with snakes who are going to attempt to eat the woman as she fears.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: For her life.
Cristina: Yes. This is adrenal chrome related. Okay.
Jack: Yeah. And a serpent woman gets seen leaving. And all Adrenochrome creatures seem to have the ability to shape shift.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So a serpent got adrenochrome and turned into saw. The only thing there that wasn't a serpent. Its intellect, as we know with adrenochrome, tends to skyrocket as long as you continue consuming it. And you have quite an amount here that's just persistently there. And so you kill her while she's screaming and panicking and she's being choked out in just fear in the most horrific of ways. And then this serpent or multiple. Who the h*** knows at this point? But at least one.
Cristina: At least one. Yeah.
Jack: Turns out into an adrenochrome creature. A hundred percent. Just fully converts.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Then turns like, tries to imitate what she was, what she looks like. But again, it's fresh. It doesn't know what the f*** it's doing. It's just newly. A creature has to discover its abilities, has to figure out how it works and all these things. So it managed half of a transformation that kind of sort of looked like her.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And then the pit is deep. Somehow still managed to get the f*** out of there. Like Adrenochrome creatures, you're thinking outside the box. You figured it out.
Cristina: But it's a feral Adrenochrome creature.
Jack: Why is it feral?
Cristina: Because it's eating children and stuff.
Jack: Eventually it will.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But actually, we haven't even gotten to any part in which this correction story even mentions anything like that.
Cristina: Oh, okay. I'm gonna guess that that's part of it.
Jack: That's. Yes, that's literally us using the parts we have to figure it out. Which is the logical conclusion, you got adrenochrome, but you didn't know you had to continue getting adrenochrome.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So you became feral, and you go out and once in a while you get adrenochrome without knowing you should keep getting adrenochromes. Now you're just a feral thing, casually killing s*** like a wet judge. Except the wet judge is on the other side. You've not died. You're a physical thing who just persistently exists.
Cristina: Yes. I forget that creatures here can do that, though. I always think it's like you have to die and then.
Jack: Yes, I know. Like I said, I'm present and remember the things.
Cristina: There's a lot of information to remember.
Jack: Oh, yeah. And I connect all of it, as would happen. But, yeah, that seems to be the case. This is all from Homer. This last part started, which makes sense days later. Yeah. So the creature with the upper body of Khalees and the lower body of a serpent is seen leaving into the forest in the night. While the guards making his rounds, he goes and he tells Hera and Zeus and the guards and everybody else like, this is what I saw. And then the next morning, they come and they see Khaleesa still there. Bro, like, you're out of your f****** mind.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You're seeing s***. That's impossible. Okay, she's still there, but there was something that fled into the woods.
Cristina: Yeah. That looked like a half lady, half snake.
Jack: Half lady, half snake. Interesting, though.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Which then corrects the story of Lamia, because there's no such thing as a woman named Lamia. There's a creature named Lamia.
Cristina: And that's not his whole story, though. Homer's version.
Jack: That's the whole addition. The rest of it kind of falls in line with what was already discussed. That's his final input that didn't exist previously. Okay, so he finishes off fleshing out this narrative. Now, the name Khalees barely shows up anywhere. These two texts are the two of the only mentions with the addition of a couple of other texts. They don't mention her name. They mention the same story from different points and a little couple of details, but the name literally shows up and refers to the events of Lamia, but without mentioning Lamia, they mention specifically Khalees. And Khalees is not a serpent person, but in the Greek myth, the Lamia is a serpent person.
Cristina: Okay, so after her transformation, she. She's known as Lamia, but before her transformation, she's just a lady named.
Jack: And the narrative we get from the Greek is completely afterwards, but a merge of the events before.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So it looks like he was with a serpent woman, but where the were the serpent women born? What the.
Cristina: Yeah. So it was just a woman. He was just with some lady and horrible things happened to her. Because that's what happens when you're with him.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Whoa.
Jack: Yes. Yes, yes.
Cristina: That's crazy. That's an actual story of a not.
Jack: Non accidental adrenochrome situation.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Somebody gets tossed into a pit, fears for their life, happens to be with the thing that's gonna kill them. The thing is, it's very similar to the warwolves.
Cristina: Yeah. Like, we have stories like that, but there is usually in the wild happening. It's not around.
Jack: Yeah. Rarely is it like, again, the werewolves is a weird one.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It's literally starved wolves because war scared all the other creatures away. And these guys are just dying, starved. And there's bodies everywhere. You eat what you can, bro, but fresh bodies from war.
Cristina: Oh, half dead, already scared out of their minds.
Jack: Some still alive and screaming because they got crap blown off and s***. Just cut and like, holy f***.
Cristina: Making werewolves.
Jack: Making werewolves. Oh, and this is very similar to that.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You got a snake pit, which means really, really, really. Ultimately, if you look at the amount of serpent creatures that come out of India and the amount of serpent creatures that come out of Greece, the people who invented the f****** snake pits, suddenly the picture builds clearly. You're tossing people into snake pits casually as a prison sentence, as a death sentence.
Cristina: They probably have many stories of these human.
Jack: Maybe not. Maybe not many creatures stories, but. Oh, yeah, yeah. Not stories about pushing the people into thinking them turning, but definitely many, many, many, many serpent, human creatures.
Cristina: Yes, yes, yes, yes. Because I'm pretty sure they have the ones like the flying snake thing, that's just a witch who turns into a flying snake or whatever.
Jack: And it's like sketchy. No, there's something wrong going on here, buddy.
Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.
Jack: But you see how interesting.
Cristina: Yes, I see. It makes sense, though.
Jack: Yeah, that is definitely it. At least it seems to be the case on how the events unrolled were like that.
Cristina: It makes way more sense than the original.
Jack: Yeah, for sure. The original is just a myth.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That's why we can't take the myths at face value because they're usually bullshit. It's a bunch of warped, twisted stories trying to attach morality or some s***. It's like people aren't moral. They just do s***.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And like the truth behind Homer and Apollonius takes on it are just People doing s***. And like her is kind of a loose cannon.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: There's no way she was going to be allowed into a lab. She's just tossing b****** into snake pits, bro. Come on.
Cristina: That is amazing.
Jack: I'm not going to let her into a lab and then she has a mood swing and thrashes hundreds years worth of research.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: She would never be allowed into any s*** like that. But she does toss b****** in the snake pits casually.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: That's just some s***. Who knows how many of these women turned into this s***. Now, again, the story of the Lamia plays out this way, but all these other narratives are also real exaggerated and sort of fluffed up, so they don't show any kind of reality to them. Probably a bunch of these b****** got tossed into snake pits.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Even if we don't have snake stories.
Cristina: Of them and their stories, they probably just. They died.
Jack: Yeah, they just f****** died. Yeah. It's like maybe she was too confident and like, not enough adrenochrome. So you didn't make a monster. Because I'm sure sometimes maybe you just fall, hit your head. No fear was felt.
Cristina: Yes. Yeah. Some people just die.
Jack: You just die. Yeah. And so not everybody became a creature. But this was a weird instance.
Cristina: She probably made a few creatures by accident.
Jack: I'm sure she made a couple. I'm sure. In India. I mean, we know based on just this new context.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: We know snake pits have resulted in snake like creatures. Multiple. Many.
Cristina: Yeah. And there's got to be people who saw it happen. Like this random guard.
Jack: Yes. Which means we could probably assuming it happens after the time of record keeping. Somebody penned the paper, Right?
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Now, what does it ultimately mean? We know that the serpent surrounding Khalees, while she was horrified, literally being squeezed to death, were exposed to the adrenochrome. One of the abilities of creatures and adrenochrome that most commonly is acquired is shape shifting. We see it talking everywhere, and the leftover body of Khalees assures us she was in fact, still physically there. So she's not who turned. She actually did die, which created the Adrenochrome. That was important. So one of the serpents morphed over the days. Interesting enough. It also gives us insight into the transformation, because nothing gets bigger or smaller other than Ophiomorphous, the artificial Naga created by Yaldabaoth in the Shadow Realm. That one can alter its scale, but we don't know of other Naga to alter their scale. So that's not a thing. And we don't know shape shifters to alter their scale. So he would have imitated her. It would have just been a tiny arm length snake with half of it being a tiny arm length Khalees.
Cristina: That's weird.
Jack: Yeah, but that's not what they saw come out. She was full size, maybe a little bigger than Khalees. That's the adrenochrome. It's morph increased its size dramatically, which tells us what happened. We don't have many takes on serpents being exposed to adrenochrome.
Cristina: No, but now definitely one of them.
Jack: Yes, definitely, yes.
Cristina: The whole victims of children and men.
Jack: On point. Yeah, on point. So it grew in size like 10 times, 20 times, 30 times. Whatever made it bigger than Khalees by default. And it did its best to imitate what it was seeing around it with one of its abilities. And it didn't fully maximize it, but it got enough to confuse the h*** out of a guard and then fled. It somehow climbed out of the pit, which is whole complicated thing, but again, weird abilities it has. And now it's got arms that it could imitate to have. And like odd, but. And it was days later it was in that pit hours and hours and hours exploring what it was now. Horrifying, you know, so it's. It probably turned into a million things in there trying to figure it out. Anomalous things, shapeless things that just don't make sense. Anybody who looked into that hole must have been mind looking in there.
Cristina: Except no one would because like why?
Jack: It's just dead people in snakes. Yeah, but that's what we got. The lamia is not a woman. The lamia is a serpent. Adrenochrome creature. The controlled version of a serpent. Adrenochrome creature. But that tells us what?
Cristina: There's more.
Jack: That there's more. And not just more. There are literally three other variations to this same creature. Not just more of the creature. This same one creature can have four different states based on what it is. It would have thalamia, which is it on adrenochrome, but that is not what is out there eating children casually. That is what left the pit. The lamia, the controlled thinking, logical, trying to figure itself out, highly intelligent version. That is not what's out there killing men and children.
Cristina: That's just a big snake.
Jack: Well, no, that would be the feral version.
Cristina: Yeah, but that's it.
Jack: Yeah, I guess it would, but it's not a snake. It stopped being a snake.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Now it's an adrenochrome Thing. Yes, because the snake would not have been on adrenochrome. And in deep diving, trying to figure out how this all fits together, I successfully did in fact find them. And they all happen to be based around the same area, and they all happen to be based around the same time. So presumably either a s*** ton of these m************ were made, or we can track the specific one that ate Khalees. There is a creature called a dracana, and it's all the identical characteristics of the lamia, with details like it being more monstrous and feral, less human and more driven by primal bloodlust. And texts suggest its behaviors are similar to the lamia. Only difference in the excessive amount of aggression that it shows. The lamia seems passive and it likes to hide. It's staying away from things. Someone don't catch me, don't see me, don't spot me. I gotta be in the COVID of night, in the dark. The dracana doesn't give a. That rolls up on towns, that rolls up on city. It doesn't give a. Broad daylight. It doesn't give a. It's eating.
Cristina: It's eating. Okay, so this is the feral.
Jack: This is a creature people run from towns, from, okay, destroyed villages because this rolled through.
Cristina: Oh, that's crazy.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which as you'd expect of an adrenochrome creature, oftentimes we don't get something crazy vicious because it's something stupid. But sometimes we get like, you know, if a groundhog. Like, whatever, dude. But if a wolf takes it, okay, we got a bit of a problem. We got nothing but stories of villages being terrorized by werewolves.
Cristina: Mm
Jack: Because when it's bad enough, it's bad enough.
Cristina: Horrible.
Jack: It's horrible. Werewolf. That's a f****** problem. Evacuate. Leave the f****** country. If you can get as far away, put water in between you, it's a f****** werewolf.
Cristina: Yeah, and I'm.
Jack: You know, most werewolves have started themselves out into the shadow realm. Ultimately as we got more technologically advanced and built structures that couldn't get through and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So in modern day, we see way less adrenochrome driven creatures because they will starve to death, minus the humans who can create farms easily.
Cristina: Yes, we don't have a problem.
Jack: We can solve our issues. But that's definitely the dracaena. If it. All the characteristics all perfectly, minus the fact that it's out of its f****** mind and fits the characteristics of what we're referring to as the Lamia. See, when we Talk about the Lamia. We're converging two stories of Khalees and a serpent, but the eating children and men were actually converging. The third part, the Jacana. So we're talking about three different instances of Khalees as a woman, of a serpent imitating Khalees and of the Jacana, all overlapping in one narrative that the Greek gave us. Because the lamia never hurt anybody. The lamia dipped into the woods and.
Cristina: That was the end of that.
Jack: That was the end of that.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And then we get the dracaena once that s*** goes feral and didn't get exposed enough, and now it's out of his f****** mind and has to just go eat whatever the h*** it comes across.
Cristina: And it wants children.
Jack: Yes. Now, the thing is, eventually that story fizzles out and we start seeing a very similar but different story about something called the echidna.
Cristina: Sounds familiar.
Jack: Is because Knuckles from Sonic is an echidna. But just the name of this thing is echidna. And in Greek mythology, the echidna is known as the mother of monsters, a half woman, half snake creature who gives birth to many of the famous monsters. In this context, the controlled shadow realm version of the Lamia would be the echidna. You make it into the shadow realm because you've died. But once in the shadow realm, you reset, you start again. Insane. Not insane. You start sane. So you're back to clarity. Except if you don't understand how it works, it's only a matter of time before you're right back to feral. Yeah, but you've left the body. You no longer need the blood requirements, but you still need what you were getting from the blood, which is the fear. But you no longer need the blood. So you got some time now that you've died and gone to the other side. And that brings us to the echidna, this creature that seems to be an ethereal shadow ghost. Like half woman, half snake, sort of faded silhouette thing that shows up. And it does not eat people. It sort of scares people to death. Oh, haunts them. It surrounds your house.
Cristina: It wants to fear.
Jack: Wants a fear.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It shows up. It surrounds your house. It hits things. It'll be inside. It'll run up to you. It just scare you and disappear right into your face. It's a horrifying f****** monster that's just trying to scare the living f*** out of you.
Cristina: And it's also having babies.
Jack: According to the narrative, it's having babies. But when you look at the stories that are mentioned relative to this creature, there's not one mention of it. That's specifically the Greek narrative. That's the main Greek narrative. That's full of bullshit.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Again, we never take the main narrative at face value. It's always a lie.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: We gotta take the details and. Yeah, so most of the narrative fits. The having babies part does not. But the having babies part is only mentioned in the main narrative and does not get mentioned ever again.
Cristina: Okay, so he. It's a ghost haunting.
Jack: It's a ghost haunting. And it's mentioned follows the dates that directly stop mentioning the dracaena.
Cristina: So that wild creature self died. Feral being. Maybe someone finally got it killed or something.
Jack: Yes. And then we have the ghost. The ghost.
Cristina: That's cool.
Jack: Eventually that must go feral, though.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Because again, it's still uninformed. It's just a random thing. And then we get to something called the basilisk.
Cristina: Basilisk. And it's.
Jack: What is it described as? A deadly, mindless serpent spirit driven purely by instinct and fear.
Cristina: Of course. That sounds right. That sounds so right that all these match up in how they saw it.
Jack: Yep.
Cristina: They are all the stages of this creature's life.
Jack: They're all the stages of the creature's life. And they're all top, woman, bottom, serpent.
Cristina: Has to be the same.
Jack: And we found the origin.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: We can track this very instance to the very pit.
Cristina: This is crazy.
Jack: It's actually the first time we could do that.
Cristina: Yeah. Whoa.
Jack: Yeah. This is the clearest we've ever had.
Cristina: A situation that just lines up with every thing we thought about these creatures and how it works.
Jack: Yes. This answers many questions. Yes. As we were theorizing is the accurate turn of how it works. Every theory we had about how adrenochrome affects the body and what we are really getting from adrenochrome, which is ultimately the fear. And it's hard to even understand what exactly the concept of fear really is in a sort of tangible way.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Because we're definitely not grasping it. We don't understand. Fear is something different to these things in general.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Because why can these things tune into it? Must have already been something else. Why aren't they tuning into our happiness? You know, weren't they tuning into our sadness?
Cristina: Yeah. Because it's all the same. Well, to us, we think they're all the same.
Jack: Exactly. So it's. Fear is inherently something different.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And again, not just to the creatures. Because fear is what adrenochrome is. It's blood with adrenaline caused by fear.
Cristina: Yes. What is Happening. Okay.
Jack: We know Santa Claus, Mr. Clever, got planet Earth just having tiny little bits of faint fear. We know kids exaggerate smallest amount of fear. And he just needs kids to have a little bit of fear. He doesn't eat children. He doesn't do anything. He's just casual.
Cristina: But has accessed by it, though. So, like all of them.
Jack: But he's not some sort of creature. He's still, it seems, a necromancer. And necromancers can still wield things for power instead of having. Which he also has a stone on his staff.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: So he has a stone and he's overpowered. That explains a lot. He has crazy powers. Entirely due to the fact that he has stones and still manipulating fear globally.
Cristina: Yes. I don't know. But we know he's not. He's not a human. He was a human once upon a time. Yes, but he is.
Jack: I mean, he might still be a human. We don't know what really to describe necromancers as.
Cristina: No.
Jack: Like, I think.
Cristina: But it does seem like they all went through death.
Jack: Yes, you're totally right. You're totally right. It seems in a couple of. In. You're totally right. Yes. In a couple of instances, there have been mentions that it appears to be that they must intentionally go through a process that they will die in. And that's where the original association with necromancers and death comes from. And if he is using necromancer abilities and is in any manner, shape or form, even scratching the powers of a necromancer, which we don't know. He's one of the only examples we have with, like, visible things that we can point at and be like, oh, this must be working in my favor. Like, yeah, definitely. It's hard to even grasp. But he had to die.
Cristina: I think.
Jack: So we know at least. Homer. Not Homer. Hermes. Jesus. Jesus. The best example, because, again, he couldn't go in there and do it. Dying was literally part of it.
Cristina: Yeah, it's part of the plan. That's crazy.
Jack: He's built in his own death. He managed to build the gates knowing he would need them to get back. He got back somewhere else entirely, so they couldn't stop him.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: But he needed to die to do it.
Cristina: I'm pretty sure Patrick had a die too.
Jack: Maybe. I mean, the fact that he's so exaggeratedly overpowered and can so easily deal with even fairies.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Necromancers can't be touched.
Cristina: No.
Jack: Then the question that we have is, is Mab's problem? The Elysians or is Mab's problem that the Elysians are connected with Hermes? Is Hermes the issue? Is Jesus the issue? We know the Alicians at least had a heart attack after they lost control of that situation.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Get the out of here. We're all she was also fearing could totally be. Is Jesus gonna easily show up in El Fame and smack everybody around effortlessly? Sounds like Hermes can.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And like I'd be shook too, if I made your universe and you can come over here and just f*** me.
Cristina: Mm. That's crazy.
Jack: But here we have the proof that it kind of works. As we suspected it would work.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: As we have talked that it would work for years. And it played out.
Cristina: Made from adrenochrome transforming.
Jack: And we can. There's. I didn't put the dates here, but the dates kind of follow one another in the right order.
Cristina: That's so crazy because it's exactly what we thought.
Jack: It's exactly what we thought in narrative form. Although the original narrative muddies it up. And unclear is everything we're looking at. Thank you to all the other record keepers. Primarily Homer and Apollonius, who had meticulous notes.
Cristina: That's nice.
Jack: And as we know, Apollonius is really just Apollo. And Apollo directly knew Hermes because they were both present with Aristotle.
Cristina: Ridiculous.
Jack: At the school. Lycium. Yep. Everything connects.
Cristina: Everything connects. Yeah.
Jack: And somehow the problem is how the h*** did Jesus come in contact with anybody? Did Jesus didn't go to Elysium. How did Jesus. Jesus is so complicated.
Cristina: I don't know. He has some. I don't know.
Jack: He has some connection somewhere. Somewhere he must. Or he figured it out. But how? We're talking. The Elysians were definitely trying to figure this s*** out. And you alone with no help from anybody. Get the f*** out of here, bro.
Cristina: He had to have help. If he didn't like how.
Jack: Oh, s***. I just had a theory right now. It just came to me. Well. Well, I guess it kinda does make sense that he would just know. Let's look at the evidence. What is the biggest problem with Jesus that caused everybody to go.
Cristina: Everyone knew about him.
Jack: Everybody knew about him. What does that tell us? He's sending a mental wave of some sort.
Cristina: Okay. Yeah. It's coming from him.
Jack: It's coming from him outward. He was throwing a beacon back in time into the future. And in the present. This is where I am. Everybody was having visions, dreams, and everything about where he is.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Now what do we know? Following logical standing. If we think about Santa, what's one of the most Exaggerated things about Santa being everywhere. He just knows what you're doing casually.
Cristina: That's pretty powerful stuff.
Jack: Is that mental blast or whatever the f*** when Jesus was born.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So if Santa, some underpowered thing compared.
Cristina: To Jesus can do it, still know everything.
Jack: He could literally just know everything. Yes, as long as you know it. And as long as you don't have some sort of magneto brain cover protecting you from him looking into your mind or whatever. And even if maybe he's not. Not even looking at your mind, maybe he can just witness moments in space and time.
Cristina: Jesus is. I guess, I mean, that's why he's a God. He is God. He's the son of God. He is God though. That's a God power.
Jack: Yeah. You couldn't hide from him if you wanted to. He just knows. Okay. We hid it over there. Yeah. I know where they hit it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Oh, he'll never find out about these things. Oh yeah. I can just see their library and I can just see them doing the research.
Cristina: Yeah. Like, how could they really hide?
Jack: How could you really hide? But in return, the flaw with that logic is why are you looking for them if you know where they are?
Cristina: Yes. So they must have figured out a way to block him. To block him? Yes. Yes. Yes.
Jack: Which means. Yes. Going to Atlantis was very intentional. Going to Atlantis also meant that's where they had built the protection field that prevents him from seeing them. He has no idea where Atlantis is.
Cristina: No.
Jack: They know how to become invisible.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Not just literally cloaking, but they know.
Cristina: How to block their minds.
Jack: Yeah, they know how to block s***. But then that comes up to the. Let's go back to the point again. If Jesus is so freaking overpowered and you can so easily just hide from him, then his map scared of you and not Jesus. At this point, the argument really stands on one thing. One of these guys is who worried this lady. It's either the Elysians and Jehovah.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Or it was Jesus, which is a product of the Elysians and Jehovah. Anyways. But you know, we're still counting them as two separate entities, ultimately one two different units. And one of these units is triggering this lady into mobilizing elves into Stop. Could be basically being firewalls and trying to stop anybody else from getting to this level of power and trying to literally suppress the Elysians who went into hiding. And just who is she scared of? Is it Jesus or is the Alicians? They're not on the same side. One of those can easily side with her. To stop the other.
Cristina: I don't know. That's tricky. I don't know. It feels like it has to be Jesus because that's probably when she realized. No, like it is the Elysians, but it's because of Jesus that it's the Elysian.
Jack: Oh, like they could do some this. They could do this s*** again.
Cristina: Yes. And they probably would. They probably would. I don't know if they just learned their lessons. I feel like they're the type of scientists that are like, okay, plan one didn't work, let's go to plan two. Well, which is how we got other versions of Jesus that were way weaker after him. Like obviously they don't.
Jack: No, those were different people that was. We can follow him literally walking. Or do you mean like Muhammad and things like that? Because the people who were happening at the same time, we're not literally the same time. Kind of like this. We can track their dates back to back and we can follow every step Jesus took all the way to Japan. That was the same one, dude. That wasn't different people.
Cristina: No, I'm talking about like what's his name? Like the golem thing.
Jack: Oh, yes, yes. But that doesn't seem to have been Jehovah. That seems to have been information that came from the shadow realm. Kind of like the Viking forest. It was just something from the shadow and suspectedly that was Yaldabaoth just doing his own thing. Doing his own thing. And we know he did that with Eloi. He, you know, kind of influenced him. Like, hey, you could do this.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Kind of do it that way.
Cristina: Okay, okay.
Jack: Yeah. But Jesus being this level of overpowered and Jehovah's ability to easily make more Jesus becomes kind of a problem, especially because like, you don't know if they're gonna become good or bad.
Cristina: No.
Jack: And like this Jesus, at least not a threat it seems, because he directly preaches peace, love and happiness. And his whole path, every single stop he made for rest. The narrative is the same. He took care of us. He told us to love one another and treat each other really well. And he just kept going on his way.
Cristina: We know the ultimate plan is some weird war against the sea people.
Jack: Well, this is the most important part of this entire episode right here because we are way over time and we have to address this. Anyways, the narrative of Jesus, without diving into the separate cross reference parts, just the book itself, the Holy Bible, which is a rewrite of true events into this warped version by the Templar.
Cristina: Okay, right, yeah.
Jack: It tells us a very important Thing about Jesus. But we also have to remember who's telling us the story. It tells us what's gonna happen with Jesus. What's gonna happen with Jesus?
Cristina: That he's gonna come back.
Jack: Yes. And who's telling us the story?
Cristina: Let's see, people.
Jack: Which tells us what? There's an inherent plan to make another one. There's an inherent plan to make another one. Another Jesus. There's an inherent plan in the book written, telling us there's another Jesus coming. We don't know what Jesus looks like specifically. They can make him look like whatever the f*** they want. Anybody they want. We just know that a person who fits the abilities and characteristics as mentioned in the book about Jesus is gonna return. That doesn't mean literally return. That's just what they want us to believe. Because they are the people who make this.
Cristina: Exactly. Okay, so they are planning.
Jack: Yes. Within the book. We literally have. We literally have their plan.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: That's telling us eventually we're gonna create another one. But we can't tell them it's another one.
Cristina: No. Because we don't want them to worry.
Jack: Yeah, well, no. We wouldn't even know. We think it's all one person anyways. We didn't know that he was even made.
Cristina: That's true. Okay.
Jack: Yeah. But the book directly. With all the information we have, the book directly tells us another one's happening. Another one's gonna happen. There was the plan. Always. The plan is we're gonna make a perfect version.
Cristina: That is horrifying. I don't know. I mean, like, if it works. But what does it mean? That it worked too.
Jack: Doesn't matter. The point ultimately comes down to the fact that that's whose map Mab is afraid of, like you said.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Maybe she's scared that they're gonna make another one.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And that one will be even harder to control.
Cristina: Interesting.
Jack: Or not a good guy, especially in today's world. You want an overpowered, beyond godlike thing to have been raised by a current day human woman? We're f*****.
Cristina: I don't know their plan. Well, we don't understand their plan, but obviously they told us their plan. Like we know it's happening. Interesting.
Jack: More is to come.
Cristina: More is to come inevitably.
Jack: According to the Holy Bible.
Cristina: That's crazy. Yes. Okay.
Jack: The Knights Templar, controlled by the Elysian, specifically put in a book the corrected narrative that Jesus is coming back. We know Jesus is essentially a lab experiment. What does it mean that he's coming back if they can't control him? Means they're making another one.
Cristina: They're making another one.
Jack: So you were right about that.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Anyways, that's what we got.
Cristina: Whoa.
Jack: Yeah. So if you guys have any comments, questions, concerns, and if you guys want to yell at me for always being so ruthless to Christina, feel free. You guys can come and yell at me, too. You know. You guys know how it goes. You can do that and hate on us on our socials, at Just Combo pod on Twitter, which is X on Facebook, on Instagram, wherever the h***, just search it.
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Cristina: This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.
Jack: Sam.
Cristina: Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.