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Rambling 298: The Grounding of Stuff Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised. Jack: Going live in 5, 4. Cristina: What does live mean? Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack. Cristina: And I'm your host, Cristina. Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And I think we've been doing that successfully lately. Cristina: Yes. Jack: So last week and the show before then, we were trying to get to what I was trying to talk about this entire time, but we got busy grounding things because that's our job. And that sidetracked us from getting to our one and only goal that this week we're definitely, without a doubt, gonna get to, which is, again, the fill people in on everything. And we've been doing this for a very long time. All we ever haven't. Cristina: Yeah. I don't understand. We've been doing what we've been supposed to be doing. Jack: Well, because grounding is our job, we can easily get sidetracked into grounding things because everything is groundable, if that makes sense. Cristina: So then we've been doing our job. Jack: Yeah, yeah, it's. It kind of loops back and forward to some degree, but I think we have some pretty good Grady greatest hits when it comes to grounding things. I think the whole Elation saga was beautiful. There's a lot, but it's infinite. And like, that gets frustrating. I think finding independent creatures that aren't related to them dope, and many things that are related to them dope. And it's funny because a lot of that, even finding the Elysians, really began about trying to see what the h*** was happening at the Bermuda Triangle. Cristina: That's where it started. Jack: Yeah. We were trying to find out what was happening in the Bermuda Triangle and then looking into clouds. Cristina: And then I thought it started with the unicorns. Jack: Well, that led us to the Alicorn that Antonio Dracohan. And that's kind of technically, that's the beginning. If this was a movie, if this was structured into a movie, the way that it built up into the Elysians. Right. Not even talking about the Elysian specifically, but a meta look at the show we were originally looking at. I think it was. Oh, no. Because then we migrated to the Groundhog. We were just looking at creatures and we were breaking apart clouds. There were some weird cloud patterns that we wanted to look into. And so we went through an entire breakdown of clouds, and then we veered off. We knew that the something weird was happening with that collection of clouds on top of the Bermuda Triangle. So that Allured us. Do you remember that? Cristina: Yes, but I don't think that had anything to do with Alicia. Jack: Not yet. Cristina: That was part of whatever story we had before. Jack: Well, no, because we were trying to find out what was happening directly under them. What was. What were they there for? Why was there a collection of clouds over the Bermuda Triangle? And I think then we looked into the groundhog, which I don't know if he ever finished his training. Cristina: Was it. Yes, he was part of training. To talk to the clouds. To the clouds? To get the clouds to talk to the sun, I think. Jack: Yes, because the sun is technically a cloud, too. Cristina: I think we were trying to stop some impending something from the cat People. Jack: Yes. Maybe an invasion or something. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Oh, no, no. We were trying to originally. Originally find out what was happening with the other stars disappearing in the great void. Cristina: Oh, yes. Jack: And we would need to talk to the sun to do it, which we. Cristina: Would use with clouds, but we thought we could use the. What is it? The. The groundhog. Because he could communicate with the weather. Jack: Yes, exactly. Oh, man. Cristina: The last one just died. So we had to train a new one. Jack: Yes. We had to give him adrenochrome. Cristina: Yes. Jack: He was Phil, right? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: It was Steve. Philly is the one who died. And then Steve was his replacement. A random groundhog we just gave a bunch of adrenochrome and started training. Cristina: Secrets of hogs is that they always were taking adrenochrome. Jack: No, it was specifically the one for. The one that they were talking to. Cristina: Yes. Yes. The groundhog 00:05:00 Cristina: that was chosen for Groundhog Day is always taking a dream. Jack: But that one died. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And so we were training one the way they were doing because we accidentally killed Phil. Cristina: I think so. Jack: I don't remember how we killed Phil, but we killed Phil. I know that much. Cristina: I believe that is right. Jack: And then maybe they don't even know we replaced Phil. They don't know. They're just humans. And then we replace Phil with Steve, and they have no idea. And then secretly we've been training Steve in order to talk to the clouds so that the clouds. Specifically weather, I guess, which was also bouncing off of when we were talking about lightning as a component, but unrelated to the clouds, because those are two different individuals interacting. Cristina: Yeah. So that's the idea. And then we're gonna communicate with the planet somehow. Jack: And then we're gonna get. Go on and on Steve. To talk to the clouds. The clouds would talk to the sun. The sun would. But still, something weird was happening down there. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And actually, Steve wasn't going to talk to the cloud specifically. There was a cloud with a face that we were gonna go talk to. Cristina: And we needed. Jack: Yes, yes. And we needed Steve for that. Cristina: Okay. Jack: So we were specifically gonna talk to that one cloud. That's a cloud. God or some crap. A demi cloud. And he was gonna talk to the sun or something. Cristina: I guess so. Yeah. Jack: Cool. But in doing so, we were like, weird that these clouds have. They're like floating over the. The Bermuda Triangle. And so we veer off and we're looking at different underwater things. I know. We were doing that for a while and we stumble upon. Actually, no, we ignore that for a while because we did Bimini Road, which we didn't. We thought about, you know, leading into the. Again, from a movie's perspective. It saw us doing these things, and then it shows us going somewhere else and discovering a different clue. But the. The. The viewer knows. The viewer knows. It's like, oh, this is related. The Bimini is by the Bahamas. A little tiny road that we looked at a long time ago that had the statues underwater. And it was like, kind of aiming towards the Bermuda Triangle. And we're like, oh, yeah, they're definitely down there because of xyz. Reason we still didn't know that the Elysians are the Atlanteans. We're just like some other people over there. And then we started looking into the Persian Gulf oasis because we were doing Atlanteans in specific. We were still calling them Atlanteans until we got to Antonio Draco. Cristina: I feel like before him, we were talking about the equator. Jack: Yes. Which was another thing related to them, wasn't it? But again, we didn't know. We're just like this giant equator surrounding the Earth. And it looks like these places built along this line were all in communication with one another or in communication with some bigger governing body. But they were all in sync with us. We still haven't found out what the point of that was. I thought we did the whole equator line. I know that a bunch of them died out. Is it because it was the line which. Cristina: Like, which Satan went to give them the tech? I guess it's easier for him to travel in a straight line. Jack: Yeah, I guess. Or maybe delivery was easier between the countries. So, like, we keep passing it down the line. We're all next to each other and he doesn't have to personally deliver it. It'll always keep rolling down the path. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Or maybe the equator is just the line in which the civilizations were Gonna be built like they were starting there. So we see them as just. Cristina: But why did they choose that? Jack: I. Why versus, like become a bubble or. Versus, like anything? Squiggly line. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Why a straight line, Right? Cristina: Yes. Jack: I have a theory on that. And I think it has more to do with Hermes. If you look at a lot of Hermes research, there were a lot of these symbols. He was essentially, if you remember, he was building comprehensive, like transmutation circles with a bunch of detailed symbolism and junk as part of meditation and energy moving and whatever he was doing. I think similar to the Hedron Collider, which is probably one of those. I think this line surrounding the Earth was the beginning of a complicated design that maybe was to envelop the Earth or a design that does in fact envelop the earth. And we have only found that specific 00:10:00 Jack: version of it interesting. Cristina: If it relates like, was he murdering them? Like, did they die off or did he kill them? Jack: No, no, no. Oh, well, that's another interesting. Cristina: Because we know the first. There was a different line and no one made it from that other line. Jack: So you think the Kearney. No. But the equator is just where everything moves along. I guess they must have done it ahead of time. Interesting. Interesting. Look at it like this. Look at it like this. Because this does have to make sense to some degree. Right. The equator gradually shifts place. The globe exists. And the equator is always by itself moving simply because of how rotations work and whatnot. So what if the line is starting to catch up? But they built society there and never told them. These guys are always working in secrecy. And the equator slowly kept migrating to that line. Slowly kept until it lined up. We know that alignments matter. We know the solaces work in Castillo in order to bridge a gate that allows people to go into the Shadow Realm and teleport along. So that's. Alignments matter. Somehow. If they built civilization, let's say north to south and started the line west to east, and it was always moving clockwise. It would eventually migrate from west to east to north to south. If in that moment something happened. Great transmutation. And all those people died. Philosopher stones. This could explain why some of these structures are some of the oldest ever seen. Cristina: Yes, they were. They weren't building on that line when it was the line. No, they were just way before the. Jack: Build on the line. That was unreal. And nothing they could track. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Or understand. Cristina: But someone did. Jack: Yes. And in order to get them to do this successfully, they did need technology. Maybe it was never about sharing the Technology. And the way we think about it, for Lucifer, maybe Jehovah man, we jump back and forth here real hard. Cristina: Bad guy. Jack: Who's the bad guy? Cristina: Okay. But Lucy was doing something sketchy. Jack: He was doing something sketchy. He was doing something really ridiculously sketchy. Because everybody was gone. Cristina: Yes. Jack: There's nobody there at all. It's all 100% gone. All that really exists is the ruins to that. And Jehovah recorded is telling him no. He is like, but come on, bro. We need this. Cristina: Yes. But we know he at least did it or tried to do whatever it was that he did twice. Jack: Because when he went to Shadow Realm. Cristina: No, because there was an old equator line that is destroyed of ruins and stuff. Jack: And the newer one, the new equator line, has nothing built on it. Cristina: It has nothing built on it. Jack: No. Oh, the new equator line is just where the line kept moving to. Cristina: Oh. Only the old one had the ruins. Jack: Only the old one had the ruined lines. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: If there is, we don't know where because nobody's thought about this. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And maybe it would be trackable. Maybe major cities line up in a way we never thought about or something. And then one day, by default, because. Cristina: It could be more than one line. Through the Earth. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Around the earth. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: We just have to find. Jack: We would just have to find to connect the dots. Cristina: Yeah. And it has nothing to do with the equator. Just. We just need to see that pattern. Jack: But you know what's even scarier at this point, this means that 12,000 years ago, we weren't beginning to develop. We know that their technology was crazy, but they weren't beginning to develop immense technology. They were already at earth scale technology. 12,000 years ago, they could just, in one shot, boom, across the earth, kill everybody and make. Well, at least along the line of the equator. Maybe they didn't want to erase humanity. Cristina: That's what I was thinking. That the whole purpose of that would be so that not all of it was gone. Jack: So maybe they don't even need these factories like Epstein's Island. What the h*** is that for? Well, then again, where it's two different purposes. Cristina: Specific people. Jack: Yes. That's to drain. That's for adrenochrome. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Versus something like stone. The stones. So maybe they've been able to make stones casually, whenever they want. Cristina: Yeah. We just need to find more lines. Jack: We just need to find more lines. On the flip side, wars are an easy way, and they're clearly in charge of the government. Cristina: Somehow 00:15:00 Cristina: that seems more of adrenochrome. Than a stone thing? Jack: We don't know. Cristina: We don't know. Jack: We don't see. In some instances, we see the bodies, but in other wars, it's just like, oh, yeah, some private attack happened. And it's like, wow, really? Or is it only when we drop, like, bombs and we can't go look at the evidence? Like, that was probably no bomb. You guys are just showing us a bunch of. And really, at the end of the day, what happened was you guys made another stone. Cristina: Would the bodies disappear? Jack: The bodies would disappear. Cristina: Okay. Jack: If it's for adrenochrome, the bodies would stay. Cristina: Mm. That's why most of them has to be for adrenochrome. Jack: Have you seen the bodies in most of them? Cristina: I think someone has. Jack: How do you confirm that person was real and not just another person? Just saying. Oh, yeah, I saw it. Cristina: Oh. Jack: I bet North Korea makes stones regularly. Cristina: Who would know? Jack: I bet there's human farms there where they breed humans. Because nobody knows where they breed humans. And then just en masse. But you dilute the genetic pool if they're always just cattle. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And you're just making the. There's something about the more complex the life force. Well, the life form than the more complex life force. Yeah. What is the rule? The more complicated the life form, the more complicated the life force. The less complicated the life form, the less complicated life source. It began a long time ago at Butterflies or some s***. Weird. Because we discovered a bunch of adrenochrome before we found out it was connected. Cristina: Mm. Jack: We found it through butterflies. Well, we've heard about it here and there, stumble upon things kind of pointing in that direction, then when they looked at it, and we found that through butterflies, that was, like, the original, like, attempt. And then other people throughout history, which I remember specifically, we looked into that were figuring it out in other ways. The countess in the 1700s or 1600, somewhere around there. It could have been the 13th. Who the h*** knows who was killing her? Her maze. That was for adrenochrome. And so we found, again, adrenochrome somewhere else, and we didn't. She might have not known, and we might have not known. But, again, a bunch of people did, though. So maybe she was in the in group who knew about adrenochrome. And although the people who wrote about it didn't get it, she knew why she was doing it. She stayed young, and they were all, oh, yeah, she was using it for her skin. And that was. Make her stay young. And it's like, no she was drinking that s***, bro. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: That's why she actually. That's why it actually worked. F***. That's exactly why it worked. She was killing them b****** and drinking it. And they were. The people reporting on it didn't really understand. They thought she was bathing in it, but she was just putting it in the tub to have a source of it. Cristina: Ew. Jack: She could continue to drink. I guess she was vampiring the f*** out. And this has a lot to do with the area she was in. They probably thought vampirism worked this way. We interpret it in the horror movie style, but vampires are relatively new. They weren't. Cristina: Vampires are based on adrenochrome. Jack: Vampires are actually just based on Dracula, and Dracula ain't even that old, so. S***. You get my point. Like, there wasn't a concept of vampires back then. Their understanding of a vampire was crap. Like the Countess. And like, Dracula could have easily been based on the Countess in a castle. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Attracting maids. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And drink. Literally drinking their blood. Cristina: It's the same story. Jack: It's the same story. And we found the Countess and we found a couple of, like, old school serial killers who were doing the same thing. We. We did that for Halloween one. So we were just looking at weird instances like that. We have a couple of really good Halloween episodes. Cristina: Well, didn't do any this year. You got anything for right now, this. Jack: Moment to do some Halloween? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: No, I don't now. We didn't do it for this year, but next year we should hit all the holidays. Find. I mean, it's interesting to go look at something that we haven't looked at for a while and with new eyes and find something we missed before. Cristina: Yes. Have we ever did a Thanksgiving thing? Jack: We've done many Thanksgiving. Cristina: Oh, yes, we have. But we haven't talked about the turkeys that we save that we pardon. I don't get that. Jack: We pardon turkeys. Cristina: Yeah. The President pardons turkeys every year. Yeah. He puts them in a hotel, keeps them fed and happy, and then he, I guess, brings them in front of people like the, like. I don't know, like the groundhog. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: And 00:20:00 Cristina: it's like, these turkeys cannot be eaten. Eaten. Jack: They must die of old age. Cristina: Yes. And I don't know how anyone keeps track of that. Jack: I bet. I bet that's the turkey the President eats. Cristina: Oh, that's awful. Jack: I bet some president was a douchebag and did that. If that's not the case, somebody was like, you know what? This is a stupid tradition. I want that turkey President. But no, no. Replace the turkey. Nobody's gonna know. I want that turkey. I want to eat a famous turkey. Cristina: The one that you said can never be eaten. That's messed up. Jack: Why? What's the difference? How would anybody even know as long as the illusion persists? Cristina: I don't know. I feel like you'll get. You will not get away with it. Jack: I. I want to get away with it. And then on my deathbed as president, I'll be like, get cameras and everything. I'll be or ex president, however that works. And I'll be like, for the world to know I ate that turkey. Cristina: That's messed up. Jack: Boom, boom. Will anybody give up? Nobody's gonna give a. They're gonna be like, he ate a turkey. Cristina: They're gonna say, you're a monster. Jack: If they. If it happened, like, the next day that it came out, they would be like, oh, my God. Yay, though. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Right now, most of them send you. Cristina: To jail to rest, to live the rest of your life to. Jack: I'm. I'm on my deathbed. Cristina: Who cares? You're gonna be in your deathbed in a jail cell. Jack: That's. I mean, I guess it wouldn't matter to me. Cristina: It wouldn't matter to you? Jack: No, no, it wouldn't matter. I'm already dying. Like, what do I got? Days. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Like, spend the rest of my days in a place that has to take care of me for a fact. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Whoa. Cristina: But you'll be in orange or whatever color those suits are, and then they. Jack: Die in a box. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: That's cool. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Concrete box. Who else did we find that was using adrenochrome? Oh, we found some Greek stories with it. That was afterwards. That was after we found out the Elysians. When do we find out they were called the Aletians? Cristina: Probably to do with Greece or Egyptians or. I think it was Egyptian. Jack: I think it was in the text that the Egyptians had discussing the Elysians, because they also referred to them as the Sea peoples. Cristina: And so did the Greek. Not the Greeks, the Mayans. Mayans. Jack: We looked at Maya a bunch of times. We looked at my. A long time ago without knowing they were connected to the Egyptians. Cristina: And we also, like, recently found out that they have portals to the shadow realm. Yes, that we think. We were thinking there. Jack: No, we knew they had portals to the shadow realm. We found out recently they were crossing people regularly. Cristina: Yes. Yes. That's happening everywhere. Jack: Yes. Cristina: And we had no clue that was happening. Jack: Yeah, we looked at that. Didn't know that there was this Entire civilization there went like two years without having any idea. Meanwhile, we found the. The villages around the world, including the one in Puerto Rico. That's a really famous one. All these groups that are just mixed shadow realm, Earth realm creatures found out. Cristina: All those people that were talking crazy stories about, like, I'm afraid that my child's gonna be kidnapped by a fairy. And then we realize, oh, crap, there's. Jack: They're onto something. They're on to. They were. It wasn't fairies, but they were kind of on the market. Cristina: Yeah, they were. They were close. Jack: They were close. They were close. There's a bunch of creatures kidnapping children. So it was based on some interesting y. Cristina: They were insane. Jack: No, man. It is a kind of weird road that took us here. Adrenochrome was a weird one. We found that so many times because. Cristina: It'S the easiest way. Jack: Everything, even by accident. I really, really. I always think about the story about the wolves in the. In the battlefield and how they would go out and like, when they were starving because the battlefield scared off all the other creatures, so they had nothing to hunt, and they were just out there feeding on the freshly dead people. But those people were in war, bro. They had just unloaded their guns, had the guns unloaded on them, seen friends die, seen bombs go off maybe in that time, or depending when. When wars happened. Because this was in the, what, the 17, 1970s, 1917s, and another one again in the 1950s. So there was bombs already. And like, this resulted in some crazy creatures, bro. Yes, that's nuts. Werewolves, which then, in hindsight, kind of informs our older story when we looked into werewolves and we found out that the natives would dress up with the. Cristina: Fur of the wolves and then turn into wolves. Jack: Not turn tools, but run 00:25:00 Jack: around the woods. Cristina: There was some stories of people wearing wolf fur and then turning into wolves. Jack: No, that's what they thought they saw. That's what the people. The. The white man. Cristina: Oh, he saw. Jack: Because they would see the. The problem is that they were with wolves. The natives in these areas would be wearing the fur of their family members who were wolves. They lived in nature with the wolves, naturally, and so they would be wearing the wolf fur and the wolf would be seen by the people who lived around there. And then they would see shortly thereafter, a native wearing wolf stuff, and they think it's the same thing. That's where the original myth of the werewolf came from. But the actual real world equivalent is a werewolf, a wolf drinking adrenochrome and then resulting. Cristina: The werewolf is a Wolf becoming a man and not a man becoming a wolf. Jack: Exactly. It's not becoming a man, but kind of getting a more bipedal look. It's very Pokemon. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You know, just transformed and now it's bipedal for whatever reason. So. Yeah. Cristina: I don't know. I feel like there are some men that claim to have turned into wolves, though. But are those just crazy people? Jack: No, because we also have people that were turning in the things. Not everybody has exactly the same reaction, but it's more or less the same reaction. We've had men turning into wolves. No, I don't think we've ever had people turning into the wolves. Cristina: There's a guy, I think for the church, he was confessing that the devil made him dress up as a wolf, turn into a wolf to fight the. No, the church forced him to turn into a werewolf so he can fight the demons or something. There's some wild story like that. Jack: We talked about it on the show. Cristina: Yeah, it was before all of this. It's way in the past of just talking about creatures not connecting to anything. Jack: That was when we were doing werewolves one and two, right? Yeah, man, I don't even remember that. Cristina: Yeah. I think he was claiming that the church would turn him and like a bunch of other homeless people into werewolves to fight demons. Jack: What the. Well, I don't remember all that. Cristina: I don't know what that is. But I know that they do have weird stuff happening. Jack: We know because the Church does weird s*** all the time. Cristina: Yes. They have portals and they also have items. Sacred items. Jack: Yes, they do, actually. Cristina: Body parts. Magical body parts of saints. Jack: Yeah. They hoard all the things with power they could find. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: But later we found out that was entirely because they were trying to erase the existence of magic and. Which is really just really complicated science. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And the body parts and things are saving are. Because think about it. They're saving a cloth that was protecting Jesus and he came back to life in or something. And it's like. Well, that was some technology that was reviving him or whatever. Or that had like proof of some residue of some kind of compound that they don't need anybody to know exists, you know? Cristina: Okay. Jack: Of the fruit or something. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: So they. They keep all of these things. They either have some kind of ability attached to some complicated technology or whatever the case might be, and they confiscate it all and hide it. Cristina: That's crazy. Still. That's pretty crazy. Jack: And still they couldn't compete with actual Jesus. Cristina: Well, they're. They're either Helping him or hiding him? Jack: Why would they need to hide him? Cristina: Because they're working with the. The. I'm thinking fairies, but that's not the word. I'm thinking. Who, Who. What is he? Jack: What is who? Cristina: Jesus. Jack: He is an Elysian Alicia. Cristina: And they're either working with Jesus or the Elysians. Jack: The church. Yeah. I think. I think we have three parties. Cristina: You think they're separate? Jack: I think they're separate. I think there's more than three parties. I think party we actually. I think. I don't think we've ever broken this down. I think party number one is the Elysians and their homies, like the Mayans and the Egyptians. Group two is Jesus and whoever's backing him, which is unclear. Cristina: Shadow people. Question mark. Jack: Question mark. Because we don't know. Because group three is a shadow people with Lucifer and all those individuals. Because even the shadow people who've joined our Earth Realm teams, we're calling those as part of Jehovah's team. Okay, so those are the Elysians. We have the Elysians there with all those people, including the shadow realm people that are there. Then we have the shadow room people who are a separate entity entity 00:30:00 Jack: made up of many Elysians and humans who've been outcasted one to the shadow realm. We got Jesus. That's three main group tied up there. Then we have Mab and her group of people somewhere doing something that's hyper unclear to us. See, we all never know. Exactly. Then we have the Greek that randomly pop up and are like always keeping up. They're like Piccolo. They're always keeping up with Goku and like how. Okay, but they're always there. And we don't know if any of this or even if the Elysians themselves are in any way connected to the original top of that, which is Jehovah's father Yahweh and his father Eloi. And how. That we still don't understand the giant leap from all of that all the way back to Yaldabao and how any of them might connect to what's happening now. Cristina: Yes. And we have no idea anything about Hermes either. Jack: Hermes, he's like neutral party. It looks like he helped everybody do whatever. Yeah, he's such a central figure. Cristina: But he might have even helped Jesus Satan with the line. Jack: He might have. But we know many instances suggest he might have helped Lucifer. Cristina: Yeah. So that's interesting. Jack: It looks like he might have helped Lucifer. It looks like he might directly be the teacher of Jesus. Yeah, it looks like he gave a johor who Worked or was friends or something with Jehovah. Cristina: And he has some connection with the Greece. Jack: And he has some connection with Greece. And he might have existed back with Eloi and Lilith, which suggests that he would have also been around at the time of Jesus, Jehovah's father, Yahweh. He would have been in contact with every single everything straight through. Cristina: Yes. Jack: I don't understand how. Because he is a God, he might actually be. Everybody else is some being that got there. He might actually. Dude, based on how we're describing him, right? Cristina: Yes. Jack: He goes everywhere, lives immortally, contacts everybody. Now, here's an interesting part about Hermes, which, based on his talks, might make sense. Let's say Hermes does come around in the year 12,000 BC, right? That's when he's born, not before then. But what do his lessons teach us? He says the fabric of reality itself is up to you to move around and control as you please. If you understand my teachings, you can just casually move in and out. Nothing matters. Nothing is of consequence. Everything is readjustable. Could it be that although he began there, he easily just shows up in the past? Is that a capability of his? Yes, because we know many necromancers can just f*** with time. Cristina: He can too. Yeah, I guess. Jack: Just poof. So he was born recently, but he could just be back there? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And that explains him showing up everywhere. He became he again. He was just a creature that became a God beyond anything all these other people could even fathom. Cristina: Mm. Except for Jesus, maybe. Jack: Well, he taught Jesus. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: It to this moment, it kind of does almost look like Hermes over Jesus. So if we were to just calculate their abilities and what they've done. Cristina: Yeah, but if Jesus gets to actually ex. Goes follows those principles that he has to teach, like what makes the difference, what makes him under. Jack: It looks like Hermes can cross into the fairy realm. It does not seem like Jesus can. As far as we know. Cristina: As far as we know. Jack: As far as we know. Cristina: Exactly. I don't know. That doesn't really. Jack: Only based on what we've found, he. He hasn't. Maybe we'll find something different to the contrary. But as of now, it looks like Hermes is the only one who's figured out how to enter this other space. With all of the efforts that everybody else has. I haven't seen a mention of Jesus doing that. Cristina: Well, maybe that story of him going into heaven. What does that mean. Jack: Going into heaven? Cristina: Yeah. And the end of his story before he comes back to Earth, like, what is that? I don't Know exactly. Jack: He dips out. Cristina: Could that be him exiting? Jack: But then that means he's always behind. He didn't just inherently have the ability like these other 00:35:00 Jack: things. He discovered that like a science. Which means that Hermes mastered it. He's a beginner at it. Hermes is still above. Cristina: Yeah, but that doesn't mean he can't get to that point. Like once you got it, you got it. Jack: He has a head start. Is he gonna. Is Hermes gonna continue getting better or is there a top? Which means if there's a top, they can catch up and land there. If not, then. Because again, if it's science, you can keep pushing it. Oh yeah, you can continue to push it. Cristina: But I think Jesus is still up there. Jack: He would be number two. I'm thinking he's number two. Cristina: Yeah. Because he did escape. I think he might have gone there. I think that was the story. Jack: And that's simply because we cannot rank things from Elfame. We have no idea. Yeah, it's possible. Those things are way more complicated in ways we couldn't comprehend. Cristina: But he might have gone into alpha and then came back. Jack: Yes. Cristina: I think that's. That's the story to say that. Yes. Jack: Right. But yeah, no, 100%. But that doesn't make him. I still think we've discovered that there is less appearance of Hermes. He's more rare to come across. So he's better at being invisible. He's been around longer, so there should be more of him. But he is good at being invisible. Cristina: But also he's using much of different names. I don't know. Jack: He always goes by Hermes. Cristina: He does. Oh yes, he does. It's Jesus that goes by different names. Jack: Jesus goes by different names and is still nowhere as elusive. Cristina: Okay. Jack: We don't know necessarily anything about what Hermes looks like. We just know he was robed. He was nice and discreet. Okay, he was robed. We have no descriptors for his face. We. We know just the things surrounding his robe. His face is usually in shadow and the robe itself was very dark. Gave look to that traditional necromancer thing, secrecy and privacy. So they adopted the look. Cristina: The necromancers. Jack: The necromancers adopt the look. That's also why we always see Jesus robed up. Everybody else might have layers to the robes, tuck ins on their ways. But Jesus wore like gown style things. It was very necromancer. And he's known for having the scarf with the hood. Cristina: That's not Mary. Are you sure? Jack: Jesus had the same thing. I guess Mary was also trying to be private. Oh, but that's logical. And the most important facet here is. I mean, Jesus would have to become a more more complicated threat eventually because he's still half Elysian. Cristina: Yeah. What is a Hermes? Jack: Human. Cristina: How do we know he's not half. How do. Jack: We don't know. We just know that you have to be human to be an echromancer. Cristina: Yes, but Jesus proves you could just be half human. Like you don't have to be full human. Jack: Jesus proves you could be half human. This brings up an interesting problem and it totally explains the Elysians not wanting Elysian men or women to breed with humans. Because nephilim that become necromancers may be problematic. Cristina: Yes. Yeah. Jack: Is the fear the necromancers, the few necromancers we know about are problematic. And then there's Hermes, who seems undefeatable by any standard we could imagine. Cristina: But then you think they'd be an enemy with him, but there don't seem to be. Even though they fear everything he is, they don't want another version of him. Jack: I mean, everybody's trying. Think about what the requirements were for the Golem. Think about what the requirements were for Jesus. You have to be able to cross all three thresholds seamlessly. What? Who's the only other individual we know who could do that? It's Hermes they're trying to imitate Hermes. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Right. And he ain't a fairy. They just know a human learned how to do the thing and that for whatever reason, Elysians can't be necromancers. Cristina: Yes, but they don't want to make more. They do and they don't. They don't want it. Jack: You want to control them. They want to be able to make a necromancer and control it. Cristina: Hence the creation of like things like Jesus. No more. Jack: Jesus was a problem. Yeah. Think of not Alexander. Was it Alexander? No, the. The sword guy. 00:40:00 Cristina: The sword guy. Jack: Who was being tricked? Arthur. King Arthur. Who was being tricked by Merlin. By Merlin. But the whole goal of that instance was a necromancer or not a necromancer. A person with the ability to cross between thresholds who could be controlled. Cristina: But he was all human. As far as I know. Jack: He was all human. Yes. And he was too easy to control. It became problematic. And we know that Merlin was an elation. Or is an elation. I don't know if that guy still around. But Hermes equals. I mean, not Hermes, Merlin. Equal elation. Cristina: He has to be half. Jack: He has to be half. Yes. You're Right, because how is he? And that's why he's whack. Cristina: Why is he whack? Jack: Because the more human you are. Cristina: So you think he's more than half human? Jack: No, he's the whack necromancer. Merlin is whack because. Because he is half and half. Cristina: But you have to be half and half. Jack: No, you have to be human. Cristina: Oh, but Jesus is half and half. And that he's not. Jack: Isn't half and half. Cristina: You think he's human. Okay, psychic abilities. Jack: Stories give us some details here to fill in for this thought, but I have some filler ideas. Right. For some blank areas. The stories emphasize how important Mary is, not just to the cause, but to Joseph. Joseph is a magi. A magi. And he is one of the other three who will later show up. He was her personal escort. They are Alician soldiers of some sort. Cristina: Okay, right. That's her man, though. Jack: No, that's the lie they're telling. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: But where you're getting at is where I think was maybe intentionally left out. The Bible tells us he's her man. Of course, the Bible is foolish and made up in order to suppress the truth. But the Bible tells us. So what motivation did the Bible have to tell us he was her man? Why wasn't he just her brother? She was gonna be a virgin and have a husband. Cristina: Yeah, that's weird. But weird. Jack: Could have. Any other narrative could have been spun there. Yeah, maybe. Maybe he was human and that's why he was different from the other Magi. Just like Mary was human. Because we know that child is part of Jehovah's DNA. But maybe the intention was to water it down and so it's not just Jehovah. What part of this do you need science for? Where was the experiment taking place in? Well, maybe both of them are the bad. Thus he's only one third Elysian. Cristina: Oh, crap. Okay, those make it more interesting. Jack: Interesting. So he has as much stake in this as the Elysians, but, you know, you're also just a human bro. We can get rid of you quite easily. So you're just gonna escort her? Well, you got bodyguards are gonna be watching, and they're gonna show up when it matters. You're gonna see them, and you just gotta take her over there. Where does he go when he gets. He just vanishes. The story just cuts off. We assume he left with the other Maggie, but he just. His story just ends. So what is that about? Well, his purpose was complete. He probably died off. Cristina: He died off. No, he died off. Jack: They get. They get to older age. Oh, but like, what's his. Why do we stop talking about him so heftily? It's because of this reason. He is really inconsequential, but is part of the equation, which is why he was actually present there the whole time. He's like, no, it's my Katu and I'm gonna follow this lady. Cristina: Okay. We just couldn't say, yeah, they were. Jack: The chosen ones to some degree, but it was just human. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You know, And I think that was a way of diluting some science was used in order to dilute elation DNA. Even if elation DNA is better for stones, they're not going to get rid of themselves. So they could easily run this tech, but no humans. But in order to make a necromancer, you need human. And they want one that they can control. But I don't know if they have Hermes, why they would need to. I don't get that part. But Hermes himself then trained Jesus. He's so neutral. 00:45:00 Cristina: He doesn't. He seems like part of the group, but he doesn't seem like part of their group. Jack: I think he literally isn't part of their group. I think he's just friends with Jehovah. And everybody must respect his neutrality because what are you gonna do about it? The fact that he's blessing you with his time is good enough. Cristina: But then he gets to train the guy that they offer, cuz that guy went to him. Jack: Again, neutrality doesn't matter who comes or what you want. I can do whatever. Cristina: Mm. Jack: I'll help you with limits. I don't hurt others or whatever. But what you do, but what I gave you is up to you. Cristina: Crazy. Jack: So everybody comes for something different. It's like, yes, he's really God about it, to the point that even Jesus goes to him on record. Yeah, well, Emmanuel. Emmanuel goes to him and it's like, bro, this dude moves like real omniscience. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Move through time, influence, whatever. Yeah. Oh, you said your grandfather needed what? Okay, I'll go back and I'll. Cristina: That's weird. Jack: Yeah, whatever, dude. Oh, no, I can't do that. I'm not gonna go get rid of the people. No, I can't do that. You need the. Oh, yeah, yeah, I can make the thing. Whatever you do with it, that's up to you. I don't give a crap. It's your choice. If it affects me, I'll bring him back. I don't care. Cristina: Real omniscience, okay. Jack: He moves like that, right? He has that feel if I don't care what happens, I don't care. I don't care what. I'm not doing it, but I don't care what happens. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And then he can adjust whatever in his favor. That's so impressive and everything. Again, if we look at the whack, watered down, non knowing necromancers, it's still like, d***, son. All of them except St. Patrick seem capable of controlling time. They're watered down. All of them. They're. They're whacker than Jesus. And Jesus can't mess with Hermes. That's where we are. They can control f****** time. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: It looks like maybe Santa, St. Nicholas is like real top tier op. Maybe third in line here because of how exaggerated he is. But it could just be time control that he looks like he's everywhere freezes, everything goes everywhere, takes him a long time. Then time moves forward again. Cristina: It's still really exaggerating. I don't know. It's pretty powerful stuff. Jack: Pretty powerful stuff. He also has deals with what seem to be actual fairies. Actual fairies? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Which is like, d***, how do you do that? Yeah. Cristina: Yeah. Maybe they're not fairies. Maybe they're shadow worm creatures. Jack: They could be shadow worm creatures, but they can. We don't know shadow creatures that fit those suits. But we know fairies that do. Cristina: It's just too weird. Jack: It's weird. Cristina: It doesn't make sense to anything. Jack: But again, maybe he's. He does appear to stay neutral as well. So maybe the fairies aren't siding with him. And maybe the fairies aren't trying to stop Hermes. Who are the fairies trying to stop? All the people trying to imitate Hermes. Fair people don't care about Hermes. Why? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: Doesn't seem to be f****** with them. Neutral. The people who are like, we want infinite power. They get elf slapped on top. Stop their progress, please. Cristina: Okay. Jack: But Hermes clearly already capable. They're like, whatever. Interesting. They're scared of power hungry people because if they cross out, they're coming for us. Cristina: Okay, Jesus, kill off Marilyn and Jesus. Jack: Jesus is a problem because Jesus is the one that slipped through. And although Jesus isn't aiming to hurt them, Jesus seems to be on a revenge path. Right. Is his goal the Elysians or could he easily deal with the Elysians? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: Because if they are is infinitely trying to get stronger. And they're infinitely trying to get stronger. So he must again try to get stronger. So they must again try to get stronger. And now it's gotten to the point that they reach the Elfame just trying to get stronger than each other. And then they're just consuming everything around them in a war between each other. And that's the fear. That's why it didn't look like anybody was after anybody specific and that the Elfame was just fight. Who are we scared of? And it's like this guy or that guy or what? No, both. Cristina: Both. Jack: But it's not about them going after you. They don't care about you. They're. They're Borg. They're infinitely power hungry the way humans are. Okay, we want more. But it's about getting rid of each other. Cristina: It could be that very. It feels very Dragon Ball Z. Jack: Like just like always. Upscale. Cristina: Stronger. Yeah. Jack: And it doesn't stop. We've gone out of the realm. Man. I remember the ah, memories. What the good old days when we just thought creatures here, creatures there. Maybe some aliens, maybe an alien or two local 00:50:00 Jack: that can't, you know, lives in space between planets. Because why would it try? How would it travel from super far? They couldn't. It's just a biological something living in space to finding out no crap could travel. And here's the science behind it. Stars away, stars across, galaxies across. Until getting to the point of like nah. There's entire clusters of stars completely captured. Because escaping the entire universe is totally possible. And there's multiple of these things. And here's some science behind it to dimensions and realms. It's like I remember the good old days back then when it was so simple. Now. Now we have interdimensional multi realm existing different creatures of different magnitudes of development tied in infinite ways with each other and in different ways. All scientific. Cristina: They're trying to get up there, up somewhere there. Jack: So complicated. So, so complicated. It's ridiculous. It is good old days of just hey, vampires and zombies. You remember comparing vampires and zombies and they both need blood. Which it totally should have filled us in on so much. Totally should have. Because we erased it slowly from zombies to say that they were after blood. But zombies were after blood at the beginning of the invention of talking about zombies. But maybe the creators of zombies thought oh this too on the nose. It's too close. So I'm just gonna connect the dots. And so we slowly phased out zombies going for blood. And then they just became science zombies. The way like oh, vile. We're trying to cure cancer. But. But it was always science. Cristina: It was always science. Jack: Adrenochrome. Oh the science in a different way. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: We they try to block us off of certain paths of science so that we don't get informed on those things like realms and crap like that. That must use biological and physically tangible science applications in order to to interact with. But the laws were taught to build upon exclude the factors that would lead us in those directions so that only those who know about them can know about them. Esoteric knowledge everywhere. You know, it's funny, that reminds me that Wet Judges was the same story as zombies. We had. We were just going through different creatures and we found out that this creature existed and that it was the. The result of something unknown. But this is what the creature behaves like. And it's not a shadow Realm. Creatures opposite to a win dingo. But they both turned out shadow room creatures. But there was some difference between them that we were like one comes from this and the other one kind of sorta. Eventually we discovered wolves. And both of these things shared a lot of characteristics. And that episode involved the connection of well, this is how a wolf biologically becomes. And this is how wolf biologically becomes that one. I believe the Wet Judge is the feral shadow realm version of a wolf. And the Windingo is the in control shadow realm version of a wolf. And both of those we found in isolation separate because we were just doing episodes about creatures. Cristina: But what do they have to do with the Shadow Realm? Jack: Adrenochrome. And they're both shadow realm creatures. Cristina: Okay. But they're based off of wolves and the wolves are from here, not from the shadow Realm. Jack: Exactly. Were wolf. Well, wolf can wolf takes adrenochrome the stages of a wolf as they would break apart. A wolf can sue. Let's take one of these 1950, 1940. Like six werewolves from the battlefield. Battlefield night people hiding. It sneaks up in the shadows and starts eating and drinking some of the blood. Because it's dies or. No, no, let me get there. It's gonna turn into. In consuming so much of it. A werewolf. Cristina: Mm. Jack: The werewolf is just the in control version of the wolf. Now two wolves came. They were talking about two separate wolves from the same pack. They came. They ate the same body. During the werewolves, both of them became werewolves. One of them was smart enough to consider coming back and the other one was a little cower. And as soon as it heard people ran away so they didn't consume the next day. This happens repeatedly. And the second wolf doesn't come back. The first werewolf stays a werewolf. The second werewolf now becomes a lichen. 00:55:00 Jack: It goes feral. It's just a Savage now. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It even forgets how to get back to it. It's just now a monster. Cristina: Okay. Jack: But they're more or less fizzled off Earth Realm. Cristina: Yes. Okay. Jack: Yes. And they all fizz. They physically look very similar, except a werewolf looks like a humanoid. It looks very similar than the werewolf is very gray, furred, wise and less crazy, I guess. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And the lichen is black fur and slimmer, while the werewolf looks bulkier. The lichen is thinned out and like up looking. It's like a really thinned out werewolf that's all black. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Now if the werewolf dies a werewolf, it becomes a wet judge. Cristina: Okay. And if the lichen dies, it becomes the other thing. Jack: And if lichen dies, it becomes a wendingo. Cristina: And those creatures are Shadow Realm creatures. Jack: And those creatures are Shadow Realm creatures. Cristina: Or they're ghost versions. Jack: Yeah, yeah. A lot of Shadow Realm creatures are ghost versions of earthrealm creatures because there's an inherent tie between them. Cristina: A little weird, because the Shadow realm is the original realm and we are. Jack: A pocket realm within it. Cristina: Yeah. But when we die, we go back to the original realm. Jack: Well, this is supported by all sciences, all religions and all philosophies that the. This association from the self unites us to the all. Another way of thinking about it is the texts that make it sound like it's a simulation. If the barriers are built around a certain type of code and you extract that code, then whatever code is left could exit the equation. Cristina: Okay, and then we just go back to the shadow realm. Jack: We can just be part of the shadow realm. So it's possible. Weird thought that everything within earthrealm is already a creature that might exist within the shadow realm, and we are just programmed with the external shell that we then think is ourselves. Cristina: What do you mean? Jack: Like my body isn't my body? Maybe I was always a gin, but because I'm born over here, the body feels like a body. But then it's weird beating our campy because creatures from the shadow realm coming over here to kidnap children and stuff, but to live. But they don't. They don't become suddenly physical unless they go through a procedure. Yes, and I don't understand what the procedure necessarily is because there's no specifics on it. Yeah, we know that they need a model, which is why they kidnap kids. They need an example of who they're going to become and that person is going to stay alive. They don't kill that person. Cristina: They don't. Jack: Well, somehow still existed when Lucifer became physical. Cristina: Yes, but did he transform also? Jack: Then Samuel got turned into Alfamer. Cristina: Is that what happened? Jack: No, he got turned to a Naga, I think, right? Cristina: Yeah, I think so. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: This story is twisted and weird. Jack: Yeah, that's a weird. Someone else been through the ringer. It's a weirdo. But this isn't a couple of places. Because if you think of Glycon from the Greek, he also was just a Greek dude who became a Naga. Cristina: That doesn't make sense. With the help of Keto. Because Nagas are fairies. So these are people becoming fairies. Jack: These are people. Well, people becoming Shadow worm creatures and Shadow Realm creatures becoming Earth Realmers are still weird. Cristina: That's weird. But it's less weird. They're becoming fairies. Jack: Well, presumably the Shadow Realm is a pocket within Alfame. The best way to think about it is if Elfame is Earth Realm, then the Shadow Realm is the Internet. And EarthRealm is like Facebook. Each one is inside the other in a smaller, more constricted way. But it's still the one thing. Like it's still Facebook exists within Earth. Cristina: A video character becoming human. Jack: Yes. So, okay, I guess the. The most logical way to make the next step remove would be to say we have humanoid robots that don't have any AI. They exist everywhere. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And the Facebook AI decides it's going to figure out how to enter one of our robots and navigate earthrealm. That would be the leap that Jesus born in earthrealm does 01:00:00 Jack: to get to Alfame. He is the Facebook AI. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Getting into one of our robots and now existing as a Earth Realm being. Cristina: What does it mean when one of us becomes a Naga? Jack: That would be the equivalent. Cristina: It's still in there. Jack: Yes. So there must be some form of code that creatures from the top have. Like MAB logging in. Cristina: Oh, NPCs. No, not NPCs. Main characters. Jack: Main characters. Yes. They acquire main character abilities. Yes, that's what it really means. Which is a good example in being Hermes. Main character abilities. Cristina: Okay, so if you can do become a Necromancer or become a Naga, you're doing the same thing. Yes, sort of. Jack: The difference is they're trying to make Nagas of existing individuals that they know are already loyal. They don't want one born. They're trying to make one out of people they know are already loyal to them. So there's some half baked kind of approach there. Cristina: And they. I don't think they have the same abilities as Nagas. Jack: No. It doesn't seem like they have the tip top. The closest person who got To. That was the first one we know about, which is the oldest, which is Yaldabaoth and his. Not his artificial Naga, which I guess everybody else is. An artificial Naga that we're talking about. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: But it looks like his was literally created from nothing. It wasn't based on anybody. Which is also why that one's overpowered. Cristina: That doesn't make sense. That does it. I don't know. Jack: Osteomorphus. That was the name of that serpent. Osteomorphous. Cristina: Came from nothing. Jack: He came from nothing. He was raw, created. So he must be more pure than doing it on a creature that was already a different creature. But they'll be loyal because they're part. They're in on it. It's their hard work, too, versus this. No, you were made exclusively for this purpose. You could turn on me and it might have. We know it had its own intentions. It might have done whatever, but that's the risk. A different variation on that is Jesus. It might go rogue. Except it went rogue and they did. Where they. How do they control it? Cristina: I don't know. But how do you do that? What? You said he just made one. Jack: Made one? What? Cristina: Made a Naga? Jack: Oh, I don't know, but it would be like, how did we invent a robot from nothing? Like, it's just. It's that he just made science. Figure it out. Cristina: Okay. I don't know. Jack: But the leap Jesus made is pretty impressive, especially if we. If we listen. If we listen, Deacon, listen. If we take the texts that make it sound like a simulation at face value and say, oh, yeah, that's definitely the true one. Jesus made it out of the simulation and into an Alfame robot. That's basically what we'd be saying. Yeah, he jumped to the middle stage. Or went through it. We know he went through it. Literally. He could enter the wider Internet. Cristina: But he's not the only one. Jack: No, he's not the only one. Because whatever quote AI unquote Hermes is can easily just walk out. And he was just Earthreal. So he is another Facebook AI. He's the original Facebook AI that managed to just get into a robot in her throne. Cristina: That's weird, but yes. But then I still don't understand, because Nagas are. Jack: I think Nagas are an attempt to do a biological cheat sheet for Hermes, because you can either study and get it. That's a. The filter is crazy. Phew. It's so hard. So few people have figured it out. Immense power. Even people who didn't figure it out. Alexander the Great There you go. Even people who didn't get it, what they did get, made them monstrously overpowered, but with limitations. The idea of a Naga bypass the limitations instantaneously. Shortcuts. It's all shortcuts. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Because the right way to do it would be learned hermetic principles. Follow the laws that Hermes lays out. Understand his lessons. He says it, it's the only way. And the proof kind of stands on it. The fact that nobody else figures it out. Cristina: Yeah, he figured it out. Jack: He did. Cristina: And nothing is like gonna figure it out after him though. Is Jesus really it? Jack: Well, we don't know. Merlin came after Jesus. Cristina: That's true. Just forget he's the most recent. Jack: Yeah, he's the most recent. He was whack, but he was the most recent. Then again he was way overpowered. Still time bending. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Even if he was defeated, it's still pretty crazy. Jack: I guess so. Well, yeah, he was tricked, but he was tricked by a fairy. He was killed off by a fairy. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Like you know. The question is, could Hermes know her? Is the problem is also Hermes has no goal. Think about how interesting this is. It doesn't look like. No, but St. Patrick's was associated. Even if he was human. Cristina: What do they mean? Jack: He was still associated with the Elysians. They called on him for help. Cristina: I don't know. Because of him and Santa makes it seem like the religion is behind is part of them or they made the Catholic Church. Right. Jack: The Catholic Church was made by the Elysians, but the Catholic Church employs humans. Cristina: Yeah, but to keep the Elysians secret. Jack: Yeah. The whole point is to keep the Elysian secret and to make Jesus just seem like he's unrelated to the Elysians. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Yeah. And it looks like, you know, they're neutral. And maybe they were priests who were like, we're gonna put. We're gonna send you on a quest. We're gonna send priests. Maybe that's the point of priests. Raising some priests regularly to a school out in Greece where they're gonna come across a series of tests and tasks at the School of L. If they pass enough of them, you're going to get into a special class and you're going to take it and you're hopefully going to pass that class. That class is all that matters. Everything you're going to do for the next 20 years of your life is pure training to try to pass one class. That's it. Good luck. And then, you know, just kept sending people, kept sending people, kept sending people and one guy, St. Patrick, makes it through and meets Hermes and takes classes with him and, and St. Nicholas makes it through and gets there. But how many hundreds of other priests went there and like tried and they could, didn't even know what they were there for other than I told I was going to do this my whole life. And I'm not going to get married, I'm not going to have children, and I'm going to go back and go, you know, I dedicated my life to them. I'm gonna go lead a church and I'm gonna be great. I'm gonna have it said and made. But I don't know what the beginning of that path was. And only few of them, and they disappear forever. Now it's the, the St. Patrick's of the world. It was like, no, I'm an OG. I got the abilities that they want. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And so those are in house necromancers. Hermes is neutral party if they can, if they. Anybody who can get my teachings can get my teachings. Cristina: So you think he was training? Jack: He was at Lesium as written by Aristotle. Cristina: In his notes, they say for how long? Jack: Unclear, but he was at Lesium, so that's fact number one. The specific lines were that he was waiting for the special students. And Aristotle's take on that is that his students were the elite students, the students that had taken all their other classes, the students that have aced everything else. And it's a school of philosophy. What the f*** does it mean to ace that? It means to understand everything there. Cristina: Which makes sense for what you need for Hermes. Jack: You got to enter equipped in every aspect of everything. And so you get to his class. Most people didn't make it. And I don't know how he would evaluate them, but he must have been looking at the notes of the other teachers there and been like, I want that student on that guy. He seems to be doing good every class specifically in these topics, which means he understands the nuance I'm looking for. Maybe all the other teachers were just cover. Cristina: For the real goal. Jack: For the real goal. Everything is designed as an intricate filter. And it's, it's a tournament. There's one winner. Of course, there's more multiple winners. But in this case, you know, to picture it better, it's tournament style. The guy who makes it to the championship past all the tests, but you still got to eliminate, eliminate, eliminate. And so you can't have a huge class of thousands of people. You got to be very restrictive. And maybe not. Maybe anybody who can make it can make it. Except people don't make it because it's really hard to get. Cristina: Mm. That's really hard. Jack: It's really abstract. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Really abstract. But it all makes perfect sense is the problem. So you gotta be able to understand really abstract thoughts in order to then bend reality with your mind the way that Hermes suggest can happen. And that we've found this proof through Naga and other necromancers and the people who cheat and manage to get a stone and aren't necromancers because that's so op. Cristina: Yeah. But he's the reason that there are stones. Jack: Yes. He invented them. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Yep. He is so good at being secretive. Hermes. He's so good at being secretive and so good at making things that we didn't know that both parts of the craft 01:10:00 Jack: were literally him. We found the first part and we're like, he made the thing like somebody else made the other part and improved on it. No, it was also him. It's just. It's hard to connect any part of things that have to do with him because everything exists in isolation. Because he's so good at just disappearing off of that side of the planet and popping up over here and doing a bunch of crap over here and stays over here for a thousand years and disappears over here. And he's over there now. No given. Doesn't seem to care about the passage of time. Doesn't seem to care about what side anybody's on. Does no barriers exist. I'm in this room. I'm in that room. Whatever. Cristina: That's what he does. Jack: Very godlike. He reminds me a Q from Star Trek. Cristina: Probably less of a troll than him, though. Jack: We have no idea. We have no, no idea. Not a clue what his personality is like. Not a clue. We know some people had character to them. Some of the Elysians were like, you know, you can imagine them. The guy who's just whoring around banging humans. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You're probably a chill dude. Bro. Cristina: Know. Jack: You know, he's just a dude. He's out there just linging, slinging his come everywhere he goes. Cristina: We don't know anything about Hermes. Jack: Who the h*** does? Cristina: I thought he's a weirdo or not weirdo. He's just secretive. Jack: He's private. Cristina: Private. Jack: We got stories from Santa. We got stories from Patrick. We got Jehovah stories. He seemed to be pretty chill, but kind of stern dude. Lucifer seems kind of more worrisome. He's these would, you know, panicky Lilith has a bit of attitude to what she does. Everybody has characteristics based on everything we found. And then Hermes is like, I don't know about you, dude. I don't know if you're, like, serious jokey. If you're like, you know, expressions. He's robed. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Every description of him, robes. Nobody sees this face. Even his homies have no idea if he's smiling or not. He's talking to a robe all the time. Cristina: That's kind of crazy. It's pretty crazy. We don't know anything weird. There could be more than one. Jack: There could totally be more than one. But also, he can bend time. What the. Cristina: Like, why do you need more than one? Jack: Why do you need more? He's everywhere. He's everywhere. He's all over the place. Everybody's Hermes at one point. It's like, no, it's the same dude. We thought it was multiple people. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And then it's like, no, it's the same guy. What? How? How, How, How? In fact, we thought it was so multiple people because Loi is the title and Hermes exists. And we're like, that's probably the title, too. And he existed back then, and they knew each other. Weird. So different people. And then we're like, nope, it turns out same guy. It's like, how the f*** does this work out? We still haven't even proven that about Loi. Cristina: I don't think he's. I mean, I think he is more than one guy. Jack: Loi feels like a title. And the way they describe the giant ship shifts in behavior. Feels like different people. Feels like a title within the family or a job position or political role or something. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Hermes is literally the guy's name. He'll go by a different name. And then tell them, I'm Hermes. They gave me this name over here. But Hermes is from actual name. Cristina: Weird. Yeah. Jack: And he'll write it. He'll be like, I'm Hermes. Cristina: He writes it, I'm Hermes. Jack: I'm Hermes. And then he made the emerald. He made this, everybody. No, Hermes. Geras Magista's made this. Don't happen. How? How do you do this in Europe? And then at the same time, he made that in Afghanistan, bro. Let's have a real conversation. Cristina: Because time travel. Jack: Because time travel. Cristina: And because there's nothing really. Jack: Instantaneous teleportation. Cristina: Exactly. Jack: And, like, it doesn't matter. Cristina: Solution to any problem is time travel. For Hermes 100. Jack: That explains ever once that's. It's like, yeah, you could bend time. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: So you're just hanging out back there, like the day you chilled with that guy's grandson millions of years later. Cristina: Mm. Jack: To you it was minutes apart. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: You just skadoodled across and it's a. It's seamless. If we were watching you from a movies perspective, you're like, all right, Jehovah, I'll let him know. You take two steps, we zoom in on you. You take two steps, none of the scenery changes. And now you're standing in front of Loi. Hey. Your grandson said this. And when we zoom out, we see Eloi, but not Jehovah. That's how seamless it would be to him. Cristina: That's pretty crazy. Jack: He didn't think about it just there. Cristina: That's totally how it could work. I don't know. Jack: And from the point of view of both of these individuals, he never left. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Because he can pop into the same fraction of a second he left that with Jehovah and walk right into that same moment and be like, your grandfather said this. And from your point of view to my. I'm right now, I'm Hermes. And right now you're Jehovah. And you tell me you need to tell my grandfather to add this, this, and that to 01:15:00 Jack: the equation starting on this next sentence. I'm Hermes. Okay. All right, Jehovah, I'm gonna go tell your grandfather right now what to do. Listen, Loi, it's very important that you add these couple of parts. Now. Loi tells him whatever it's like. Okay. I'm gonna make sure your grandson knows this. Jehovah. Listen, he said that, that one sentence, he's gonna talk to two people across time. And to him it's gonna feel consistent and linear to them. Not a moment past the moment you said links. Cristina: And then he sees a different person. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And time has stopped over there. Cuz not really. He's just in the past and he's gonna go back to that same moment. Cristina: Okay. Okay. That's crazy. That's his ability though. Jack: Does his ability though super overpowered. And he can do that at any point in time, at any place in time? That's God. Cristina: That's ridiculous. Yes. That's good. I don't think there's anything above that. Jack: I don't think there's anything above that. Minus whatever exists in Alpha that we have no reference point for. Yes, but the realms we are aware of. Even elves don't touch this. Nagas don't touch this. Cristina: As far as we can tell. Jack: Yeah. It would have to be the theory of the simulation. And it would have to be that MAB is a programmer and only then, because then she'd have the ability to like deprogram the robot, shut off the Internet, whatever. Cristina: But she can't. So it's not that. Jack: Or she should. We don't know if she can. Maybe she is just one of the programmers at the big company. The company really owns the Internet. She just knows how to work. She's the best worker, knows how to do it. Okay, but she can shut it off and ruin the project and save the world if it got that bad. Stop things from getting out and just destroy the robot that they got into. Whatever. Try not to. Expensive project maybe. Whatever that might mean in that realm. Cristina: Yeah, you know. Jack: Anyways, that's the road that took us to where we are. It's just all random pieces, man. Cristina: But it makes somewhat sense. Jack: It is composed. It makes perfect sense. It is a rational, reasonable, thought out kind of. Our job is to ground things like we said. Cristina: And we did it. Jack: Yeah, we've been doing it like you said. We've been doing it the entire time we've been grounding things. And those are all examples of how we've grounded things. And we added some groundings to thumbs things in. Just by talking about grounding things, we just grounded some more things. Yes, that's how we do now. The problem with explaining to the listeners that we do ground things and giving them examples is that it took an hour to do so. So we never got to get to the notes. 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August 31, 2024

Rambling 287: Lamia

August 31, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who is the Greek Mistress Lamia? What is the narrative surrounding her death? What is the truth surrounding her death? The duo unpack the mythology of an interesting creature known as Lamia, a mistress of a Greek God and what really unfolded with their affair.

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Greek Mythology
Naga
Romantic Jealousy
Hera
Snake Pits
Shapeshifting
Necromancers
Jesus Christ

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in five, four.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today we have some interesting things to learn look into. But first, as of late, we've been catching people up because of our jumping around. Anybody who is used to us following a giant cohesive narrative that we've been following for like two years isn't used to the old way. We were doing things of just casually picking things that kind of sort of related to this bigger theme that we didn't know existed. But we were just hunting monsters and figuring out what was going on. Except after a long enough deep dive into what we thought was an unrelated series of things that began with a creature, the unicorn, slowly spiraled into. Every creature seems to be related to this thing one way or another.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And initially we thought a lot of it had to do with the Elysians. When we started looking into the Elysians, but before then, we knew things about the shadow realm and many creatures who were in there. So we were hunting things like that. But before we knew about the shadow Realm, we were also just hunting creatures, trying to find out what the f*** these things are. We thought some of them are aliens. We thought some of them were interdimensional things. And weirdly enough, both of those things are kind of the same.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess so. Yeah.

Jack: You know, we knew this Chupacara was like a God like thing. And we thought it came from space looking for things. But no, it did come from elsewhere. But the elsewhere wasn't space. The elsewhere was a different realm.

Cristina: I don't know if you know anything that actually has come from space.

Jack: No, we know things that have gone out into space.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But it seems that everything we thought came from space we have proven with texts that mentioned it before we even looked up. And it's like, okay, okay, you guys knew about all these things ahead of time. So I was in trying to dig deeper into the Clinton Road thing that we've been looking at. We hit some walls because we gotta find things for this. We gotta figure out what's happening in the bottom of the castle. It's been sealed off. It clearly has a way in and out in a location that is undisclosed to the public because it's been kept absolutely secret with, you know, official reasons or whatnot.

Cristina: Whatnot.

Jack: But the castle it was on was Destroyed. So the entrance there is gone and the exit have been blocked and built around, so we don't know where they exist in the five towns that they're spread into. And then somewhere in this giant property, there could be a random manhole cover that's covered by leaves and happens to be in the woods. And that's the only way in or out of this f******. Like, who the h*** knows?

Cristina: It just sounds so suspicious. It just sounds like that lady with the house that makes it into a puzzle that ends up being a portal for ghosts and whatever.

Jack: Except she wasn't trying to hide anything that was just out there. So why were these people trying to hide it? What is the difference? And this is more recent than the house, too, so what is the point? And, like, I've tried to look. Like I said, the hardest thing about this was gonna be the castle. So we visited the castle.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But all it did was lead us to walls. So because we hit these walls and there's nowhere else to go. Look elsewhere. Maybe we'll get informed.

Cristina: Right, okay.

Jack: So we've gotten informed in the past just by looking at other places. We found the Elysians, and that informed a bunch of s***. We found the Shadow Realm. That informed a bunch of s***. Things that we thought were unrelated. So as I'm looking through random crap, looking through old notes, I come across as, you know, the fact that Zeus was kind of pretty successful at creating Nahaz.

Cristina: Okay, yeah.

Jack: Not Naha's Naga. Nahaz was a specific. Naga is the one from the Garden of Eden's research team. Nahaz is the one we call the Serpent. But so we know that he successfully made a Naga, and we know that he got his Naga to successfully make some that worked and some that didn't, like Medusai and her sisters and crap like that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yes, okay. But still have kind of OP abilities that are kind of sort of fairy like. And in looking at that, it came to my mind that, wait, this is the first instance of more than one, more than two, Many, Several. And so I'm like, okay, if you figured it out, you didn't also just stop. Those just happened to be the main narratives, right? The ones that are important because you figured it out, you want to be able to replicate it, and holy s***. That I immediately find something. I was like, there must be more. Just logically speaking, if nobody else could figure it out, the guy who did is probably going to mass produce them. That's the advantage right there.

Cristina: You're OP now he has a Naga army.

Jack: He Would have to. Right. He would have to build. I mean, not a Naga army, but he would have to make multiple. Logically speaking. And I stumble upon a thing called Lamia. L A M I A Lamia. And Lamia is described as a half woman, half serpent. But Lamia is not Medusa or the other Groguns. And Lamia is not Glycon. And Lamia is none of these things.

Cristina: She's from the same area.

Jack: She's Greek.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: She's Greek, specifically related to Zeus. Oh, weird. So I was like, okay, this is odd. But like, we can easily find it now because. Yeah, you had more than one and you instructed something to make it. Just because we only stumbled upon the three and didn't dig deeper, doesn't there isn't more? Yes, but there's definitely more. She's not even the only one I found.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But she's the most interesting one I found. So, as we said, she was originally mentioned in Greek mythology. And very specifically, the same thing that shows up again is half woman, half serpent. Half woman, half serpent. Very, very directly. It seems like Zeus wants Kido to continue making things that are half and half, not fully one. Or Kido is obsessed with not actually succeeding and going halfway because he wants to be the powerful one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I don't know the point of why they're always half and half. If a Naga is not. Anaga is not. Yeah, Anaga is a full fairy serpent.

Cristina: Serpent thing.

Jack: Yeah, absolutely. 100% a serpent.

Cristina: For some reason, he only makes halves and halves.

Jack: All of them are. Now they're really overpowered to the point that they are more OP than a bunch of the s***. Alicians didn't like some of this crap because of how OP it is. Meaning they felt, you know, some of these things were a problem to some degree, but they weren't. Naga, is it because it's impossible to actually go all the way? But no, because we know of people who've accomplished it.

Cristina: Yeah. So did they do it on purpose? And what was the purpose?

Jack: What is ultimately the purpose? So I dive into the story to just what do the Greek have to say about this? What is the main narrative about Lamia? So here we go. First of all, Lamia was the queen of Libya according to the Greeks.

Cristina: What?

Jack: She was the queen of Libya. Okay, but weird that the queen of Libya is a half serpent, half a woman. But whatever. The Greek had weird stories to tell.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, everything was odd. Now, where this became really interesting to me is the fact that she was in love and loved by Zeus.

Cristina: Okay, yeah. Well, she always have snakes, though. Is that part of her story? Okay.

Jack: She's always been.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Always been half serpent. And Zeus is into serpents, I guess.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And upon finding out that Zeus was having an affair with her, Hera becomes jealous and curses Lamia to lose her children.

Cristina: Oh, hush. Okay.

Jack: And transforms her into a monster who would devour the children of others.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Whoa.

Jack: Hardcore.

Cristina: Hardcore.

Jack: So let's unpack this for a bit. Zeus loves a half serpent lady, but I guess he's a God and he f**** random s***. Like, whatever, dude, you're God. What is a human to you? You're a God.

Cristina: He's with someone who is not cool with.

Jack: He's someone who's not cool with that. But he's always cheating on her. All his children are from different women. And he has, like, 100.

Cristina: Yes. But does she get her revenge like this to every single lady?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Like, how does.

Jack: Hera is. Hera is known as a total b****.

Cristina: He's also a monster. That's okay. With the reaction. Her reaction. Whatever he does. Because he's not getting hurt. It's just the people he's with getting hurt, and he's not feeling that well.

Jack: The logic goes as follows. He loves one person deeply, and that's Hera. He loves other people. Not deeply. He loves to love. It's the idea of, you can truly be in love with one person and love many other people who you're not in love with. Yeah, you want to be romantic, and, yeah, you want to f*** and you want to have. But there's one person who you are committed to.

Cristina: But do you not feel bad for these people that are suffering?

Jack: Well, they know they are also involved. They are not an uninformed party.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In all of these cases, they are the informed party. Everybody's informed.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Zeus is not a liar.

Cristina: There's a chance that you'll die or you'll have to kill your loved ones to be with me. That's. That's tough.

Jack: No, I'm sure all of these God women are like, I could take. Oh, I guarantee you, every single one of them. The gods are full of themselves.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Every single one is like, I could take her. It's not a problem. But Zeus has always been committed to Hera. And he's like, I'm not gonna say to my wife, she said, you banned, so you banned.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But Hera is fine until she's not.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, she knows. And then I guess she just doesn't want to see it ultimately just like, don't bring it around me. Don't bring it around me. You come home to me and you don't bring any of them b****** around me. And when she sees them b******, them b****** gotta die or become other s*** or whatever the f*** she does.

Cristina: Just live a miserable, miserable life.

Jack: Yes. But to his defense, he 100% seems absolutely committed to Hera, because that's who he doesn't violate. She's like, I gotta kill this person. He's like, s***, I guess you gotta kill this b****. And it's like, d***, bro. Okay, you at least committed, okay? And like, I respect that. I respect the guy who can stay committed. And realistically, yeah, you love other people. Realistically, but you're not going to betray who you're in love with, which is Hera. Great important detail because of where this is going to go.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: That was. That was not without purpose. That rant was absolutely within reason. All right, so, yeah, Hera kind of notorious for tossing people into weird situations, killing them, turning into other s***, ranking them, sending them into other f****** planes of existence.

Cristina: Do you know what kind of monster she turned her into? Like, what does she look like?

Jack: He. She made her existing form feral. She was a woman, and now that woman became a monster based on that woman. Oh, so it's just she became a feral monster. She was still a woman snake thing, but now she was a snake woman. She wasn't before she was a woman snake. Now she's a snake woman, if that makes sense.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And like, yes, that's the priority right there. She's like, okay, now you're primarily the serpent. Enjoy killing all the children you would love.

Cristina: Harsh. Okay?

Jack: Hardcore.

Cristina: Hardcore.

Jack: But if she knew, then she opted into the possibility. That's more on her for thinking she could step into number one spot. And it's like, we all know where Zeus stands, and it's by Hera.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: There's not a soul who's ever questioned if Zeus is going to turn on her. He's not going to. Why would he? Which means you opted into the situation to some degree. You weren't aware of what extent or what move. But you know, if you get busted, you. You f*****. And so you did, and I f*****. Okay, now let's break apart her appearance a little. Described as having the upper body of a beautiful woman and the lower body of a serpent. Right, let's dive into a little more detail. One thing that I found, which, again, as I say it, the image as I keep Moving forward, the image is going to build itself. She has the ability to shapeshift.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that's an important little detail right.

Cristina: There because that's always involved.

Jack: That's a clever little tidbit. Oftentimes into either a pure woman or a pure serpent. Those seem to be her main go to. She can shapeshift into other things. But when she's in her pure woman form, after her interactions with Hera, she lures men in this woman form, and usually men with children, intentionally trying to get to the children and eat them.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: And when she's in a pure serpent form, she uses that to blend into nature where there would already be children.

Cristina: She's actually. Oh, my gosh. That's horrifying.

Jack: Yeah. She became. It's not just like, you're gonna be a thing. And it's like, yeah, I'm gonna go live my life as the same s***. I am just waiting. No. Hera f***** this lady.

Cristina: Now she hungers for children.

Jack: Now she hungers for children.

Cristina: Oh. Oh.

Jack: Weird, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Lamia, the lady who will eat children. But again, there's some patterns that are forming. I don't know if you're spotting them as I'm going through this. Shapeshifters, children.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Let's dive into some of these behaviors. They are going to paint even stronger image. She usually appears at night. Succubus behavior right off the bat. And the fact that you're luring men. Odd.

Cristina: Odd.

Jack: Luring men at night.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Sounds like a succubus. As far as I know.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: Which is already a shadow realm creature. So luring men at night and using the darkness to confuse and more easily abduct. Very, very succubus. The only difference is succubus are kind of mermaid, like always by water and s***. It's most likely a succubus is a mermaid and a mermaid is a succubus. Maybe different variations of the same thing. And by the end of this episode, if we remember, we could address that because it's gonna make sense why we would have to compare those things if we remember to.

Cristina: Okay, so you saying she didn't like magically turn her into a feral being. Now she is like the feral version of whatever creature she was. Like adrenochrome. Maybe she was given adrenochrome and killed and now she's after that or something like.

Jack: It's complicated. No, she was definitely a serpent woman.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There are serpent women? Yes, according to the Greek myths.

Cristina: But now she's a feral serpent.

Jack: Yes. But I don't think she was the non feral version of something that's inherently feral.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think there are just, according to the Greek myths, serpent people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Who are just normal people. And then there's weird other anomalies like the Gorgons and s*** like that. Or the Grogans. It's either Grogan or Gorgon. I don't f****** know. Medusa and her sisters and Keto, things like that. So those are weird artificial violent things. While Lamia didn't seem to be. It was just more of a literal person who happens to be of a specific race, maybe or something. It's not entirely clear. Yeah, there's actually very little information on this. This was a particularly difficult find, which is what made it more interesting because of the paths I had to take to get here. That informed quite a bit. But yeah, it looks like she was not some kind of weird thing. She was turned feral.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And there isn't a thing like that. As far as we know, that is specifically her kind of a creature that was a person. Or that she's the non feral version of something specific or race or something. It looks like she's just part of a race of people who happen to be. I don't know where the f*** the rest of her people are. There's no mention to that. Maybe you just made the weird serpent lady queen because she doesn't look like the rest of you. I don't really know the logic behind it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But she was just a normal person other than her half serpent part. Now, when in her serpent form, she is known for consuming the children. When in her woman form, she is known for luring men. And when they don't have children, she kills the man.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Then there is little detail about what happens to the man that might inform what happens to the children. Because it's always described as eating. But when in her woman form, she is known for luring men. And when they don't have children, she kills the man and drinks her blood.

Cristina: Of course.

Jack: Of course. Very specific behavior. Now we gotta address how Hera accomplished this. Exactly.

Cristina: That's what I'm wondering. She turned her into.

Jack: Well, that's the end of the story. According to the the narrative of the Greek myth that is most promoted based on this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There's no more information right after that. That's where it ends. These are the events that took place. So what the h*** did Hera do?

Cristina: She turned her into. I don't know, a shadow realm creature.

Jack: Somehow How? The. She obviously drowned her in adrenochrome or some s***. Force fed her some s***. But how had she know? I mean, they're always f****** around with adrenochrome. But Hera knows.

Cristina: Why not?

Jack: Why would she?

Cristina: I don't know, but it depends. Like, what happens to these other women that she tortured?

Jack: Nothing like this.

Cristina: Nothing like this.

Jack: No, I would have. I would have talked about it. Obviously. Okay, so no, this is the case.

Cristina: This is the one case that happens.

Jack: At least this way. Yes, I looked at the other women. No, this is the one.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: So what the f*** happened? So she finds the lady and then what? You force fed her a dream? Where the f*** did you get a dr? How do you know adrenochrome was a thing? Even if you heard him talk about adrenochrome, how do you know specifically how to get it, how to make it? Hera knows a little something.

Cristina: Has to know something. Part of the team.

Jack: One of the gods, you would think, right? Yeah, but then who's on her side? Everybody's on Zeus side. Yeah, and Zeus sides with Hera. But Zeus isn't gonna tell his homies. Go, obey Hera. No, in fact, his homies tend to not like Hera a lot.

Cristina: Yeah. So she was snooping around somebody.

Jack: They would have caught her. Bro, we're talking about the most secure facilities in existence.

Cristina: There's no way she just stumbles upon this either.

Jack: Exactly the problem. There's also no way she entered these facilities. There's no way. Not in a billion trillion years. Considering specifically who she is and how she's known to behave, doubtful they would have let her anywhere near one of their labs. 100 guarantee you she didn't end it. I looked just to confirm the fact. Like, did she? There's no narrative that talks about her entering spaces relative to this. If there is, she was so f****** sneaky that nothing was registered ever. And we're talking about quite advanced facilities. She would have been busted.

Cristina: But how did she do this?

Jack: Then it has to be outside of the facility.

Cristina: How?

Jack: How did she accomplish turning Lamia into a feral person?

Cristina: How do you think?

Jack: Well, I don't know my conclusion, my thought is that perhaps she caught her and force fed it to her. But then the question is, how did she acquire? How would Hera stumble upon adrenochrome? What paths could she take? Who do we know that she could have been in contact with? There's so little about this interaction.

Cristina: And anyone she knows because we don't know anyone that talks about that's involved in adrenochrome.

Jack: We know many who are involved in adrenochrome. What do you mean?

Cristina: But, like, in the Greek gods. Any of them.

Jack: All of them have touched it one way or another. They literally discovered ambrosia. They have ichor in their position. And they have nectar, which a bunch of them consume specifically because they couldn't figure out how to do it without it, the way that the Elysians did with the stones and other methods. Okay, so they definitely had access to it. But why would she? And how would she.

Cristina: But why wouldn't she? Like she's one of them.

Jack: No, she's not.

Cristina: She's not.

Jack: She's the wife of Zeus. But she's not a scientist. She's just the wife of Zeus. And a particularly wild gun that they're not gonna let into their facilities, destroy all their s***.

Cristina: Mm. She knows enough. I don't know. It doesn't. It feels weird that she would just know how to do this.

Jack: We're missing the middle part, where somehow she did, in fact, acquire adrenochrome and then force fed it to this lady or something. What we know is that she knows Zeus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that this lady became some feral thing. And everything in the middle described is obviously adrenochrome related, but we also know she had no interaction with any other scientists in the facility, and that none of them like her.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And there's no mention. Not one. Which it would have. We found threads of the randomest s***. Not one mention of her hanging out or associating with any of these things.

Cristina: But she knows, Deuce. And he knows the information.

Jack: Yes. He's also not going to tell the lady, who is constantly having mood swings and having weird power moments.

Cristina: He doesn't have, like, the work at home.

Jack: And I assure you he doesn't, considering that it's the same work that the Elysians would like to confiscate. You're going to keep it in the most secure place, away from where they can easily come and take it from you. They're kind of op. You're going to take your work home, knowing how this s*** could just go down. Yeah, and they never did. Which means you didn't take the work home. Or you did take it home, and for whatever reason, they were just like, oh, let it go. And then this lady's op, that doesn't work out.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They're too thorough. Deletions are mechanically thorough. It's computers at this point.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So he never took the work home. She Never entered the lab. His workers don't like her. And she still managed to turn the lady into obviously speaking an adrenochrome rampant creature. Who needs more adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Weird. And I don't know. So we know Hera has banished many women different ways. Never this way. And she is again hated by everybody. Nobody sides with her. They all side with Zeus. Although Zeus is a ruthless maniac himself. The loyalty or fear, one or the other. But then Hera behaves this way. It's definitely not the fear. Loyalty. They must just like him more. Yeah, but then again he is creating these. He kind of just successful at doing some s***. It's impressive. So successful. For many years we thought he was just some background noise that was being ignored by the Alicia. And then we found out he was one of the few to accomplish some of these really complicated things that the rest of them failed at. Like creating successful Naga. Even if it took a bunch of s***** experiments to get there.

Cristina: But she's one of them. No, she. She wasn't made at all.

Jack: No, she was just already a person who existed like that. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There must be a race. There's other serpent people who are not anything weird.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Greek mythology is packed with serpent people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Some made like the Grogans. And some who were just born that way. Like Keto.

Cristina: But I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, neither do I. Interesting though, the fact that she had the ability to do this.

Cristina: Yes. Without any help. As far as anyone can tell, without.

Jack: Any help they have their kingdom. And she managed to get a hold of Lamia and somehow force feed Lamia or Tricker or something. And she then becomes this feral creature.

Cristina: That's ridiculous. I don't know. It feels like she needed help. But who would help her?

Jack: Okay, so then I will continue forward since trying to figure it out is a pointless endeavor. Now we've done appearance, we've done behavior. Now here's where we get into the weeds of the situation. We have to deep dive into the hard explain many different texts, primarily focusing on Homer and Apollonius. But there are six or seven different versions of different texts that are going to inform the story. There's a lot of cross referencing that piece this together. But again we're focusing on the texts from Homer and Apollonius. Although there are some details from other individuals here. Now we find the story plays out a little differently when we do look at their references. And the story begins with a lady called Khalees. So Khalees is the name of a woman with which Zeus was having an affair.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: One of the many. And is discovered by Hera. Now, very important to point out that in the Greek myth that is popular, Hera always knows that is explicitly mentioned. It's also explicitly mentioned in Apollonius's writing that she didn't know and she discovered Khalees.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Hence the anger in the first place.

Cristina: That makes changes.

Jack: Cheating on me, you piece of s***. Blah, blah, blah. What the f***? Imma smack that b**** up. You know, Instead of being angry at Zeus, you cheating piece of s***, now I'm gonna smack that b**** up. Khalees probably didn't even f****** know. Then again, he's Zeus. Khalees probably knew. Yeah, he probably knows. You know who Hera is. Come on, bro.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: They're the rulers. You knew he was sneaking around. You had it coming.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now details that matter without Zeus being aware. During Khaleesa's final visit, Hera uses Zeus guards and has Khalees royal guards killed. Then tosses Khalees alive into a snake pit to die.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Hmm?

Cristina: They just have a snake pit.

Jack: It's ancient Greece.

Cristina: I know. This is so crazy.

Jack: The snake pit consists of hundreds of snakes no larger than a human arm, according to Homer's texts. No, Hugh. Because my initial thought is you're gonna fuse with a f****** snake or something. I don't f****** know. Yeah, it's ancient Greek mythology because this girl Khalees is not a serpent woman. Let me point that out. Apollonius says beautiful woman, pointing out that she has walked a long time because her legs were visibly muscular.

Cristina: She's human, pure human.

Jack: Khalees was pure human, while Lamia was not. Lamia is bottom half serpent. But Apollonius doesn't agree with this narrative. Apollonia says, no, that was a woman. He was having an affair with a normal human woman probably.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And thus makes more sense that she was the queen of a civilization of normal human people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And definitely there's no such thing as normal born f****** earthling.

Cristina: Are you talking about the same person?

Jack: Yes, this is the same story. Oh, this is them all talking about the same.

Cristina: One of them that we already talked. Yes.

Jack: The Greek myth and everything I'm telling you right now is their take on the same Greek myth.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: This is Homer, Apollonius and a few others talking about this very same story.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which puts Khalees, the queen of Libya, as just a human.

Cristina: Okay. Which makes more sense. All right.

Jack: Just a human lady called Khalees. And she had very muscular legs because she. Not muscular, but she had toned legs. Because she walked a very long time. She loved walking. And she had royal guards who Hera had her royal guards disposed of on.

Cristina: Her visit and then murdered her.

Jack: Threw her in a snake pit.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: To die. Didn't say she murdered her. She threw her in a snake pit to die, which presumably she died there, but that doesn't mean she murdered her. Snakes would have.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She definitely left her to die, though. And again, the snake pit consisted of small snakes for the most part. No snake is eating her whole. That would be impossible. To the length of an arm. You can't eat her. Okay, so interesting little details.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The pit was explicitly designed to starve people to death if the snakes don't squeeze them to death. Lovely ancient torture device. Lovely ancient torture device. The important part comes now. We shift our view now entirely to Homer because Homer had some interesting tidbits that didn't make it to any other body, anybody else's story, and didn't even focus on the family. It focused on a random guard.

Jack: Let us unpack. With the upper body of Khalees and the lower body of a serpent. A guard sees Khalees flee into the forest during the night.

Cristina: What did he see?

Jack: The guard sees the upper body of Khalees and the lower body of a serpent flee into the woods.

Cristina: Okay, so she somehow transformed in the snake pit.

Jack: But how?

Cristina: How? Yes, how? That's very strange. That's his part of the story.

Jack: That's his contribution. He gave us this tidbit that nobody else mentioned, but allows us a little more information than just somehow. A civilization of humans put a serpent woman in charge of them fearlessly. No, it makes more sense to put a Greek God. They look like humans who are just real op and huge.

Cristina: Yes. But he's trying to explain how she looks.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: I don't know. That's weird.

Jack: Got muddy quick, right?

Cristina: Yeah. Unless that wasn't like a normal snake pit.

Jack: It was absolutely a normal snake pit.

Cristina: Well, how would she walk away like that?

Jack: I don't know. She gets tossed in the pit. And then a few days later, a guard doing his rounds sees her upper body somehow bottom half. Serpents now fleeing the pit into the woods, into the forest, casually.

Cristina: She somehow transformed in the snake pit.

Jack: She somehow transformed in the snake pit? Yes. At least it seems that way.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: That is weird.

Jack: Very, very strange. So what do we believe happened here then?

Cristina: I don't. It wasn't a normal snake pit. Do you think it was a normal snake pit?

Jack: It was. I'll tell you what. The next line in his story. His correction of the story tells us, which will enlighten a little more. The next morning, after the guard reports what happened, they visit the pit and find Khaleesa's body still in the pit.

Cristina: So it was involved Shadow Realm.

Jack: It did not.

Cristina: It's a shadow Realm creature of her. But her dead body's there. So he did not see her dead body. No, but it was her. Is her adrenochrome version? I don't know.

Jack: Her body is still in there.

Cristina: Her body's still there.

Jack: She is f****** dead.

Cristina: Yes. But there's something out there.

Jack: Yes, for sure. There definitely is. A woman gets tossed into a snake pit where she fears for her death. The snake pit is filled with snakes who are going to attempt to eat the woman as she fears.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: For her life.

Cristina: Yes. This is adrenal chrome related. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. And a serpent woman gets seen leaving. And all Adrenochrome creatures seem to have the ability to shape shift.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So a serpent got adrenochrome and turned into saw. The only thing there that wasn't a serpent. Its intellect, as we know with adrenochrome, tends to skyrocket as long as you continue consuming it. And you have quite an amount here that's just persistently there. And so you kill her while she's screaming and panicking and she's being choked out in just fear in the most horrific of ways. And then this serpent or multiple. Who the h*** knows at this point? But at least one.

Cristina: At least one. Yeah.

Jack: Turns out into an adrenochrome creature. A hundred percent. Just fully converts.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then turns like, tries to imitate what she was, what she looks like. But again, it's fresh. It doesn't know what the f*** it's doing. It's just newly. A creature has to discover its abilities, has to figure out how it works and all these things. So it managed half of a transformation that kind of sort of looked like her.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then the pit is deep. Somehow still managed to get the f*** out of there. Like Adrenochrome creatures, you're thinking outside the box. You figured it out.

Cristina: But it's a feral Adrenochrome creature.

Jack: Why is it feral?

Cristina: Because it's eating children and stuff.

Jack: Eventually it will.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But actually, we haven't even gotten to any part in which this correction story even mentions anything like that.

Cristina: Oh, okay. I'm gonna guess that that's part of it.

Jack: That's. Yes, that's literally us using the parts we have to figure it out. Which is the logical conclusion, you got adrenochrome, but you didn't know you had to continue getting adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So you became feral, and you go out and once in a while you get adrenochrome without knowing you should keep getting adrenochromes. Now you're just a feral thing, casually killing s*** like a wet judge. Except the wet judge is on the other side. You've not died. You're a physical thing who just persistently exists.

Cristina: Yes. I forget that creatures here can do that, though. I always think it's like you have to die and then.

Jack: Yes, I know. Like I said, I'm present and remember the things.

Cristina: There's a lot of information to remember.

Jack: Oh, yeah. And I connect all of it, as would happen. But, yeah, that seems to be the case. This is all from Homer. This last part started, which makes sense days later. Yeah. So the creature with the upper body of Khalees and the lower body of a serpent is seen leaving into the forest in the night. While the guards making his rounds, he goes and he tells Hera and Zeus and the guards and everybody else like, this is what I saw. And then the next morning, they come and they see Khaleesa still there. Bro, like, you're out of your f****** mind.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You're seeing s***. That's impossible. Okay, she's still there, but there was something that fled into the woods.

Cristina: Yeah. That looked like a half lady, half snake.

Jack: Half lady, half snake. Interesting, though.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which then corrects the story of Lamia, because there's no such thing as a woman named Lamia. There's a creature named Lamia.

Cristina: And that's not his whole story, though. Homer's version.

Jack: That's the whole addition. The rest of it kind of falls in line with what was already discussed. That's his final input that didn't exist previously. Okay, so he finishes off fleshing out this narrative. Now, the name Khalees barely shows up anywhere. These two texts are the two of the only mentions with the addition of a couple of other texts. They don't mention her name. They mention the same story from different points and a little couple of details, but the name literally shows up and refers to the events of Lamia, but without mentioning Lamia, they mention specifically Khalees. And Khalees is not a serpent person, but in the Greek myth, the Lamia is a serpent person.

Cristina: Okay, so after her transformation, she. She's known as Lamia, but before her transformation, she's just a lady named.

Jack: And the narrative we get from the Greek is completely afterwards, but a merge of the events before.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So it looks like he was with a serpent woman, but where the were the serpent women born? What the.

Cristina: Yeah. So it was just a woman. He was just with some lady and horrible things happened to her. Because that's what happens when you're with him.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Yes. Yes, yes.

Cristina: That's crazy. That's an actual story of a not.

Jack: Non accidental adrenochrome situation.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Somebody gets tossed into a pit, fears for their life, happens to be with the thing that's gonna kill them. The thing is, it's very similar to the warwolves.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, we have stories like that, but there is usually in the wild happening. It's not around.

Jack: Yeah. Rarely is it like, again, the werewolves is a weird one.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's literally starved wolves because war scared all the other creatures away. And these guys are just dying, starved. And there's bodies everywhere. You eat what you can, bro, but fresh bodies from war.

Cristina: Oh, half dead, already scared out of their minds.

Jack: Some still alive and screaming because they got crap blown off and s***. Just cut and like, holy f***.

Cristina: Making werewolves.

Jack: Making werewolves. Oh, and this is very similar to that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You got a snake pit, which means really, really, really. Ultimately, if you look at the amount of serpent creatures that come out of India and the amount of serpent creatures that come out of Greece, the people who invented the f****** snake pits, suddenly the picture builds clearly. You're tossing people into snake pits casually as a prison sentence, as a death sentence.

Cristina: They probably have many stories of these human.

Jack: Maybe not. Maybe not many creatures stories, but. Oh, yeah, yeah. Not stories about pushing the people into thinking them turning, but definitely many, many, many, many serpent, human creatures.

Cristina: Yes, yes, yes, yes. Because I'm pretty sure they have the ones like the flying snake thing, that's just a witch who turns into a flying snake or whatever.

Jack: And it's like sketchy. No, there's something wrong going on here, buddy.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: But you see how interesting.

Cristina: Yes, I see. It makes sense, though.

Jack: Yeah, that is definitely it. At least it seems to be the case on how the events unrolled were like that.

Cristina: It makes way more sense than the original.

Jack: Yeah, for sure. The original is just a myth.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's why we can't take the myths at face value because they're usually bullshit. It's a bunch of warped, twisted stories trying to attach morality or some s***. It's like people aren't moral. They just do s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like the truth behind Homer and Apollonius takes on it are just People doing s***. And like her is kind of a loose cannon.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's no way she was going to be allowed into a lab. She's just tossing b****** into snake pits, bro. Come on.

Cristina: That is amazing.

Jack: I'm not going to let her into a lab and then she has a mood swing and thrashes hundreds years worth of research.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She would never be allowed into any s*** like that. But she does toss b****** in the snake pits casually.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's just some s***. Who knows how many of these women turned into this s***. Now, again, the story of the Lamia plays out this way, but all these other narratives are also real exaggerated and sort of fluffed up, so they don't show any kind of reality to them. Probably a bunch of these b****** got tossed into snake pits.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even if we don't have snake stories.

Cristina: Of them and their stories, they probably just. They died.

Jack: Yeah, they just f****** died. Yeah. It's like maybe she was too confident and like, not enough adrenochrome. So you didn't make a monster. Because I'm sure sometimes maybe you just fall, hit your head. No fear was felt.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah. Some people just die.

Jack: You just die. Yeah. And so not everybody became a creature. But this was a weird instance.

Cristina: She probably made a few creatures by accident.

Jack: I'm sure she made a couple. I'm sure. In India. I mean, we know based on just this new context.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We know snake pits have resulted in snake like creatures. Multiple. Many.

Cristina: Yeah. And there's got to be people who saw it happen. Like this random guard.

Jack: Yes. Which means we could probably assuming it happens after the time of record keeping. Somebody penned the paper, Right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now, what does it ultimately mean? We know that the serpent surrounding Khalees, while she was horrified, literally being squeezed to death, were exposed to the adrenochrome. One of the abilities of creatures and adrenochrome that most commonly is acquired is shape shifting. We see it talking everywhere, and the leftover body of Khalees assures us she was in fact, still physically there. So she's not who turned. She actually did die, which created the Adrenochrome. That was important. So one of the serpents morphed over the days. Interesting enough. It also gives us insight into the transformation, because nothing gets bigger or smaller other than Ophiomorphous, the artificial Naga created by Yaldabaoth in the Shadow Realm. That one can alter its scale, but we don't know of other Naga to alter their scale. So that's not a thing. And we don't know shape shifters to alter their scale. So he would have imitated her. It would have just been a tiny arm length snake with half of it being a tiny arm length Khalees.

Cristina: That's weird.

Jack: Yeah, but that's not what they saw come out. She was full size, maybe a little bigger than Khalees. That's the adrenochrome. It's morph increased its size dramatically, which tells us what happened. We don't have many takes on serpents being exposed to adrenochrome.

Cristina: No, but now definitely one of them.

Jack: Yes, definitely, yes.

Cristina: The whole victims of children and men.

Jack: On point. Yeah, on point. So it grew in size like 10 times, 20 times, 30 times. Whatever made it bigger than Khalees by default. And it did its best to imitate what it was seeing around it with one of its abilities. And it didn't fully maximize it, but it got enough to confuse the h*** out of a guard and then fled. It somehow climbed out of the pit, which is whole complicated thing, but again, weird abilities it has. And now it's got arms that it could imitate to have. And like odd, but. And it was days later it was in that pit hours and hours and hours exploring what it was now. Horrifying, you know, so it's. It probably turned into a million things in there trying to figure it out. Anomalous things, shapeless things that just don't make sense. Anybody who looked into that hole must have been mind looking in there.

Cristina: Except no one would because like why?

Jack: It's just dead people in snakes. Yeah, but that's what we got. The lamia is not a woman. The lamia is a serpent. Adrenochrome creature. The controlled version of a serpent. Adrenochrome creature. But that tells us what?

Cristina: There's more.

Jack: That there's more. And not just more. There are literally three other variations to this same creature. Not just more of the creature. This same one creature can have four different states based on what it is. It would have thalamia, which is it on adrenochrome, but that is not what is out there eating children casually. That is what left the pit. The lamia, the controlled thinking, logical, trying to figure itself out, highly intelligent version. That is not what's out there killing men and children.

Cristina: That's just a big snake.

Jack: Well, no, that would be the feral version.

Cristina: Yeah, but that's it.

Jack: Yeah, I guess it would, but it's not a snake. It stopped being a snake.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now it's an adrenochrome Thing. Yes, because the snake would not have been on adrenochrome. And in deep diving, trying to figure out how this all fits together, I successfully did in fact find them. And they all happen to be based around the same area, and they all happen to be based around the same time. So presumably either a s*** ton of these m************ were made, or we can track the specific one that ate Khalees. There is a creature called a dracana, and it's all the identical characteristics of the lamia, with details like it being more monstrous and feral, less human and more driven by primal bloodlust. And texts suggest its behaviors are similar to the lamia. Only difference in the excessive amount of aggression that it shows. The lamia seems passive and it likes to hide. It's staying away from things. Someone don't catch me, don't see me, don't spot me. I gotta be in the COVID of night, in the dark. The dracana doesn't give a. That rolls up on towns, that rolls up on city. It doesn't give a. Broad daylight. It doesn't give a. It's eating.

Cristina: It's eating. Okay, so this is the feral.

Jack: This is a creature people run from towns, from, okay, destroyed villages because this rolled through.

Cristina: Oh, that's crazy.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which as you'd expect of an adrenochrome creature, oftentimes we don't get something crazy vicious because it's something stupid. But sometimes we get like, you know, if a groundhog. Like, whatever, dude. But if a wolf takes it, okay, we got a bit of a problem. We got nothing but stories of villages being terrorized by werewolves.

Cristina: Mm

Jack: Because when it's bad enough, it's bad enough.

Cristina: Horrible.

Jack: It's horrible. Werewolf. That's a f****** problem. Evacuate. Leave the f****** country. If you can get as far away, put water in between you, it's a f****** werewolf.

Cristina: Yeah, and I'm.

Jack: You know, most werewolves have started themselves out into the shadow realm. Ultimately as we got more technologically advanced and built structures that couldn't get through and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So in modern day, we see way less adrenochrome driven creatures because they will starve to death, minus the humans who can create farms easily.

Cristina: Yes, we don't have a problem.

Jack: We can solve our issues. But that's definitely the dracaena. If it. All the characteristics all perfectly, minus the fact that it's out of its f****** mind and fits the characteristics of what we're referring to as the Lamia. See, when we Talk about the Lamia. We're converging two stories of Khalees and a serpent, but the eating children and men were actually converging. The third part, the Jacana. So we're talking about three different instances of Khalees as a woman, of a serpent imitating Khalees and of the Jacana, all overlapping in one narrative that the Greek gave us. Because the lamia never hurt anybody. The lamia dipped into the woods and.

Cristina: That was the end of that.

Jack: That was the end of that.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then we get the dracaena once that s*** goes feral and didn't get exposed enough, and now it's out of his f****** mind and has to just go eat whatever the h*** it comes across.

Cristina: And it wants children.

Jack: Yes. Now, the thing is, eventually that story fizzles out and we start seeing a very similar but different story about something called the echidna.

Cristina: Sounds familiar.

Jack: Is because Knuckles from Sonic is an echidna. But just the name of this thing is echidna. And in Greek mythology, the echidna is known as the mother of monsters, a half woman, half snake creature who gives birth to many of the famous monsters. In this context, the controlled shadow realm version of the Lamia would be the echidna. You make it into the shadow realm because you've died. But once in the shadow realm, you reset, you start again. Insane. Not insane. You start sane. So you're back to clarity. Except if you don't understand how it works, it's only a matter of time before you're right back to feral. Yeah, but you've left the body. You no longer need the blood requirements, but you still need what you were getting from the blood, which is the fear. But you no longer need the blood. So you got some time now that you've died and gone to the other side. And that brings us to the echidna, this creature that seems to be an ethereal shadow ghost. Like half woman, half snake, sort of faded silhouette thing that shows up. And it does not eat people. It sort of scares people to death. Oh, haunts them. It surrounds your house.

Cristina: It wants to fear.

Jack: Wants a fear.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It shows up. It surrounds your house. It hits things. It'll be inside. It'll run up to you. It just scare you and disappear right into your face. It's a horrifying f****** monster that's just trying to scare the living f*** out of you.

Cristina: And it's also having babies.

Jack: According to the narrative, it's having babies. But when you look at the stories that are mentioned relative to this creature, there's not one mention of it. That's specifically the Greek narrative. That's the main Greek narrative. That's full of bullshit.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Again, we never take the main narrative at face value. It's always a lie.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We gotta take the details and. Yeah, so most of the narrative fits. The having babies part does not. But the having babies part is only mentioned in the main narrative and does not get mentioned ever again.

Cristina: Okay, so he. It's a ghost haunting.

Jack: It's a ghost haunting. And it's mentioned follows the dates that directly stop mentioning the dracaena.

Cristina: So that wild creature self died. Feral being. Maybe someone finally got it killed or something.

Jack: Yes. And then we have the ghost. The ghost.

Cristina: That's cool.

Jack: Eventually that must go feral, though.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because again, it's still uninformed. It's just a random thing. And then we get to something called the basilisk.

Cristina: Basilisk. And it's.

Jack: What is it described as? A deadly, mindless serpent spirit driven purely by instinct and fear.

Cristina: Of course. That sounds right. That sounds so right that all these match up in how they saw it.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: They are all the stages of this creature's life.

Jack: They're all the stages of the creature's life. And they're all top, woman, bottom, serpent.

Cristina: Has to be the same.

Jack: And we found the origin.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We can track this very instance to the very pit.

Cristina: This is crazy.

Jack: It's actually the first time we could do that.

Cristina: Yeah. Whoa.

Jack: Yeah. This is the clearest we've ever had.

Cristina: A situation that just lines up with every thing we thought about these creatures and how it works.

Jack: Yes. This answers many questions. Yes. As we were theorizing is the accurate turn of how it works. Every theory we had about how adrenochrome affects the body and what we are really getting from adrenochrome, which is ultimately the fear. And it's hard to even understand what exactly the concept of fear really is in a sort of tangible way.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because we're definitely not grasping it. We don't understand. Fear is something different to these things in general.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because why can these things tune into it? Must have already been something else. Why aren't they tuning into our happiness? You know, weren't they tuning into our sadness?

Cristina: Yeah. Because it's all the same. Well, to us, we think they're all the same.

Jack: Exactly. So it's. Fear is inherently something different.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And again, not just to the creatures. Because fear is what adrenochrome is. It's blood with adrenaline caused by fear.

Cristina: Yes. What is Happening. Okay.

Jack: We know Santa Claus, Mr. Clever, got planet Earth just having tiny little bits of faint fear. We know kids exaggerate smallest amount of fear. And he just needs kids to have a little bit of fear. He doesn't eat children. He doesn't do anything. He's just casual.

Cristina: But has accessed by it, though. So, like all of them.

Jack: But he's not some sort of creature. He's still, it seems, a necromancer. And necromancers can still wield things for power instead of having. Which he also has a stone on his staff.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So he has a stone and he's overpowered. That explains a lot. He has crazy powers. Entirely due to the fact that he has stones and still manipulating fear globally.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know. But we know he's not. He's not a human. He was a human once upon a time. Yes, but he is.

Jack: I mean, he might still be a human. We don't know what really to describe necromancers as.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Like, I think.

Cristina: But it does seem like they all went through death.

Jack: Yes, you're totally right. You're totally right. It seems in a couple of. In. You're totally right. Yes. In a couple of instances, there have been mentions that it appears to be that they must intentionally go through a process that they will die in. And that's where the original association with necromancers and death comes from. And if he is using necromancer abilities and is in any manner, shape or form, even scratching the powers of a necromancer, which we don't know. He's one of the only examples we have with, like, visible things that we can point at and be like, oh, this must be working in my favor. Like, yeah, definitely. It's hard to even grasp. But he had to die.

Cristina: I think.

Jack: So we know at least. Homer. Not Homer. Hermes. Jesus. Jesus. The best example, because, again, he couldn't go in there and do it. Dying was literally part of it.

Cristina: Yeah, it's part of the plan. That's crazy.

Jack: He's built in his own death. He managed to build the gates knowing he would need them to get back. He got back somewhere else entirely, so they couldn't stop him.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But he needed to die to do it.

Cristina: I'm pretty sure Patrick had a die too.

Jack: Maybe. I mean, the fact that he's so exaggeratedly overpowered and can so easily deal with even fairies.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Necromancers can't be touched.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Then the question that we have is, is Mab's problem? The Elysians or is Mab's problem that the Elysians are connected with Hermes? Is Hermes the issue? Is Jesus the issue? We know the Alicians at least had a heart attack after they lost control of that situation.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Get the out of here. We're all she was also fearing could totally be. Is Jesus gonna easily show up in El Fame and smack everybody around effortlessly? Sounds like Hermes can.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like I'd be shook too, if I made your universe and you can come over here and just f*** me.

Cristina: Mm. That's crazy.

Jack: But here we have the proof that it kind of works. As we suspected it would work.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: As we have talked that it would work for years. And it played out.

Cristina: Made from adrenochrome transforming.

Jack: And we can. There's. I didn't put the dates here, but the dates kind of follow one another in the right order.

Cristina: That's so crazy because it's exactly what we thought.

Jack: It's exactly what we thought in narrative form. Although the original narrative muddies it up. And unclear is everything we're looking at. Thank you to all the other record keepers. Primarily Homer and Apollonius, who had meticulous notes.

Cristina: That's nice.

Jack: And as we know, Apollonius is really just Apollo. And Apollo directly knew Hermes because they were both present with Aristotle.

Cristina: Ridiculous.

Jack: At the school. Lycium. Yep. Everything connects.

Cristina: Everything connects. Yeah.

Jack: And somehow the problem is how the h*** did Jesus come in contact with anybody? Did Jesus didn't go to Elysium. How did Jesus. Jesus is so complicated.

Cristina: I don't know. He has some. I don't know.

Jack: He has some connection somewhere. Somewhere he must. Or he figured it out. But how? We're talking. The Elysians were definitely trying to figure this s*** out. And you alone with no help from anybody. Get the f*** out of here, bro.

Cristina: He had to have help. If he didn't like how.

Jack: Oh, s***. I just had a theory right now. It just came to me. Well. Well, I guess it kinda does make sense that he would just know. Let's look at the evidence. What is the biggest problem with Jesus that caused everybody to go.

Cristina: Everyone knew about him.

Jack: Everybody knew about him. What does that tell us? He's sending a mental wave of some sort.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah. It's coming from him.

Jack: It's coming from him outward. He was throwing a beacon back in time into the future. And in the present. This is where I am. Everybody was having visions, dreams, and everything about where he is.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now what do we know? Following logical standing. If we think about Santa, what's one of the most Exaggerated things about Santa being everywhere. He just knows what you're doing casually.

Cristina: That's pretty powerful stuff.

Jack: Is that mental blast or whatever the f*** when Jesus was born.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So if Santa, some underpowered thing compared.

Cristina: To Jesus can do it, still know everything.

Jack: He could literally just know everything. Yes, as long as you know it. And as long as you don't have some sort of magneto brain cover protecting you from him looking into your mind or whatever. And even if maybe he's not. Not even looking at your mind, maybe he can just witness moments in space and time.

Cristina: Jesus is. I guess, I mean, that's why he's a God. He is God. He's the son of God. He is God though. That's a God power.

Jack: Yeah. You couldn't hide from him if you wanted to. He just knows. Okay. We hid it over there. Yeah. I know where they hit it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, he'll never find out about these things. Oh yeah. I can just see their library and I can just see them doing the research.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, how could they really hide?

Jack: How could you really hide? But in return, the flaw with that logic is why are you looking for them if you know where they are?

Cristina: Yes. So they must have figured out a way to block him. To block him? Yes. Yes. Yes.

Jack: Which means. Yes. Going to Atlantis was very intentional. Going to Atlantis also meant that's where they had built the protection field that prevents him from seeing them. He has no idea where Atlantis is.

Cristina: No.

Jack: They know how to become invisible.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Not just literally cloaking, but they know.

Cristina: How to block their minds.

Jack: Yeah, they know how to block s***. But then that comes up to the. Let's go back to the point again. If Jesus is so freaking overpowered and you can so easily just hide from him, then his map scared of you and not Jesus. At this point, the argument really stands on one thing. One of these guys is who worried this lady. It's either the Elysians and Jehovah.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or it was Jesus, which is a product of the Elysians and Jehovah. Anyways. But you know, we're still counting them as two separate entities, ultimately one two different units. And one of these units is triggering this lady into mobilizing elves into Stop. Could be basically being firewalls and trying to stop anybody else from getting to this level of power and trying to literally suppress the Elysians who went into hiding. And just who is she scared of? Is it Jesus or is the Alicians? They're not on the same side. One of those can easily side with her. To stop the other.

Cristina: I don't know. That's tricky. I don't know. It feels like it has to be Jesus because that's probably when she realized. No, like it is the Elysians, but it's because of Jesus that it's the Elysian.

Jack: Oh, like they could do some this. They could do this s*** again.

Cristina: Yes. And they probably would. They probably would. I don't know if they just learned their lessons. I feel like they're the type of scientists that are like, okay, plan one didn't work, let's go to plan two. Well, which is how we got other versions of Jesus that were way weaker after him. Like obviously they don't.

Jack: No, those were different people that was. We can follow him literally walking. Or do you mean like Muhammad and things like that? Because the people who were happening at the same time, we're not literally the same time. Kind of like this. We can track their dates back to back and we can follow every step Jesus took all the way to Japan. That was the same one, dude. That wasn't different people.

Cristina: No, I'm talking about like what's his name? Like the golem thing.

Jack: Oh, yes, yes. But that doesn't seem to have been Jehovah. That seems to have been information that came from the shadow realm. Kind of like the Viking forest. It was just something from the shadow and suspectedly that was Yaldabaoth just doing his own thing. Doing his own thing. And we know he did that with Eloi. He, you know, kind of influenced him. Like, hey, you could do this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Kind of do it that way.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: Yeah. But Jesus being this level of overpowered and Jehovah's ability to easily make more Jesus becomes kind of a problem, especially because like, you don't know if they're gonna become good or bad.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And like this Jesus, at least not a threat it seems, because he directly preaches peace, love and happiness. And his whole path, every single stop he made for rest. The narrative is the same. He took care of us. He told us to love one another and treat each other really well. And he just kept going on his way.

Cristina: We know the ultimate plan is some weird war against the sea people.

Jack: Well, this is the most important part of this entire episode right here because we are way over time and we have to address this. Anyways, the narrative of Jesus, without diving into the separate cross reference parts, just the book itself, the Holy Bible, which is a rewrite of true events into this warped version by the Templar.

Cristina: Okay, right, yeah.

Jack: It tells us a very important Thing about Jesus. But we also have to remember who's telling us the story. It tells us what's gonna happen with Jesus. What's gonna happen with Jesus?

Cristina: That he's gonna come back.

Jack: Yes. And who's telling us the story?

Cristina: Let's see, people.

Jack: Which tells us what? There's an inherent plan to make another one. There's an inherent plan to make another one. Another Jesus. There's an inherent plan in the book written, telling us there's another Jesus coming. We don't know what Jesus looks like specifically. They can make him look like whatever the f*** they want. Anybody they want. We just know that a person who fits the abilities and characteristics as mentioned in the book about Jesus is gonna return. That doesn't mean literally return. That's just what they want us to believe. Because they are the people who make this.

Cristina: Exactly. Okay, so they are planning.

Jack: Yes. Within the book. We literally have. We literally have their plan.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's telling us eventually we're gonna create another one. But we can't tell them it's another one.

Cristina: No. Because we don't want them to worry.

Jack: Yeah, well, no. We wouldn't even know. We think it's all one person anyways. We didn't know that he was even made.

Cristina: That's true. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. But the book directly. With all the information we have, the book directly tells us another one's happening. Another one's gonna happen. There was the plan. Always. The plan is we're gonna make a perfect version.

Cristina: That is horrifying. I don't know. I mean, like, if it works. But what does it mean? That it worked too.

Jack: Doesn't matter. The point ultimately comes down to the fact that that's whose map Mab is afraid of, like you said.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Maybe she's scared that they're gonna make another one.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And that one will be even harder to control.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Or not a good guy, especially in today's world. You want an overpowered, beyond godlike thing to have been raised by a current day human woman? We're f*****.

Cristina: I don't know their plan. Well, we don't understand their plan, but obviously they told us their plan. Like we know it's happening. Interesting.

Jack: More is to come.

Cristina: More is to come inevitably.

Jack: According to the Holy Bible.

Cristina: That's crazy. Yes. Okay.

Jack: The Knights Templar, controlled by the Elysian, specifically put in a book the corrected narrative that Jesus is coming back. We know Jesus is essentially a lab experiment. What does it mean that he's coming back if they can't control him? Means they're making another one.

Cristina: They're making another one.

Jack: So you were right about that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Anyways, that's what we got.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Yeah. So if you guys have any comments, questions, concerns, and if you guys want to yell at me for always being so ruthless to Christina, feel free. You guys can come and yell at me, too. You know. You guys know how it goes. You can do that and hate on us on our socials, at Just Combo pod on Twitter, which is X on Facebook, on Instagram, wherever the h***, just search it.

Cristina: Just combo pod. Remember to subscribe, rate, and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth is one of the most important, overpowered things that exists. So tell people about the program and the fact that we're finding all these weird things.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: Sam.

Cristina: Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

June 01, 2024

Rambling 276: The Point of Gaza

June 01, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

What is the true purpose of what’s happening in Gaza? Do we have similar examples? And if we do, what is Israel really doing and who really are they? The duo now with answers to move forward, evolve the nature of their questioning taking them straight to present day to some astounding revelations. An episode which completely reframes all that is known and reveals dark coming truths for humanity!

+Episode Details

The Gaza Prison State
Israel Origins
Genocide vs Experiment
Who’s the Kingpin?
Prophecies Line Up
The True Big Picture

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we discuss humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And, like, we've been talking a lot for years at this point, literally.

Cristina: Has that been years?

Jack: It's literally years. It's literally been years. At this point, it's been like two years. Okay, yeah, about the same s***.

Cristina: But I thought we escaped it. We. I haven't escaped it.

Jack: I thought we escaped it, too. I thought we escaped it, too. I thought we escaped it, too. But the lingering question was, right, we solved the bunch, figured out a lot. But there was this question about Yahweh in specific, right? Like, we still don't know a lot about him. And there was a situation about the Tower of Babel that I wanted to talk about before, if you remember. And so the basic premise of that discussion, I'm gonna rush through it because it's useless. I just need you to understand the premise, right? The idea was the Tower of Babel, that Yahweh specifically had a. These desolation guy, and there's a bunch of people who are building a tower to reach him. This metaphor of a tower must have been literally trying to get this amounted or something, presumably.

Cristina: Okay, right.

Jack: And in the text, it says that he switched their language so they couldn't communicate and work together to continue to build it. That was his solution to the problem. But really, when you look at the depictions, the images that were used in description with those in sync with that time, those kind of look like satellites. So it's more like he was destroying their communication and towers and s***. Right?

Cristina: Do you have pictures of this?

Jack: What are you talking about? It was just, like, images and drawings and then descriptions of them and just a bunch of random bits and pieces. But that's not even what matters because. And we've seen this a thousand times in a million different places. It's interesting, but it's actually not the important thing, because the important thing comes down to what's happening right now. Because it's happening right now with simply following Yahweh. Because following Yahweh, one thing came to mind. Whose God is Yahweh? And he's the God of the Jews. Okay, right, The God of the Jews. So I'm like, okay, coincidence, right? Because the Jews and the Israelis aren't necessarily the same thing.

Cristina: Okay, so you're Going back to what we were talking about last episode kind of sort.

Jack: Right. So the Jews and the Israeli aren't necessarily the same thing. Israel is a new concept. Jews are not. Those are two different concepts. Who we identify as Jews now might not be the state of Israel, might be what we discussed. Right. But Jews, their God was Yahweh. Now current day Jews have a more abstract, ambiguous, kind of less directly spoken of God, but it's almost assumed it's Yahweh, but it's kind of like pretty removed a lot of the time. And Yahweh isn't really the God that is addressed even within the Jewish community. Well, Jehovah. Oh, that's a weird little alteration. Right.

Cristina: When did that happen?

Jack: Well, that happened kind of in modern time, generally speaking, all of Israel kind of always not Jews, but the state of Israel itself. Them, they've always been sort of Jehovah kind of people. Not a New Testament kind of people. They still follow Old Testament. It's still Jewish. But he just kind of say Jehovah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that's cool and fine, but old Jews used to say Yahweh. Weird, tiny discrepancy. I'm just pointing that out, you know.

Cristina: But it changes in the first book. The Old Testament?

Jack: Yeah. Oh, the original swap, it was used kind of interchangeably in the first one. In the first one. But the Jews of that time used Yahweh. They used Yahweh. The people of that time used Yahweh. Even if both exist.

Cristina: And the Old.

Jack: Yes, they would. They would defer to Yahweh first.

Cristina: Okay, and what was the other name?

Jack: The other name is Jehovah.

Cristina: Okay, Right.

Jack: So there was still a distinction. They felt one was superior to the other.

Cristina: Even though it's the same person.

Jack: No one's the father and the other is the son. Wait, Yahweh is Jehovah's father?

Cristina: Okay. No, I mean in the book, though. It's not really. It's the same person in the book.

Jack: Well, let me trip you out. The Jews already knew this and have kind of a tree in some form where they've kind of linguistically divided it. They already believe Yahweh is above Jehovah. They don't say one is. They're even related. But conceptually they've actually divided and created a distinction between that within how they explain their religion to people and how they preach it. There's a clear distinction between those two entities.

Cristina: Are you sure?

Jack: Yes. And people have related their sort of explanation of it. To father and son.

Cristina: But those people don't believe there's a father and a son.

Jack: No, they don't. They, the Jews themselves don't use that terminology. That's people trying to relate it to. Like, this is the best way I can explain the same idea.

Cristina: That's strange. Okay.

Jack: Juicer way thought out. They're above everybody. They're essentially following not even of religion as much as what seems to be a literal map of what kind of reality exists upon. They don't believe in a heaven per se. They believe there's a possible maybe something.

Cristina: Possibly something which sounds like.

Jack: Well, it depends on what you do. And what does that sound like? Well, are you going to just dissipate in peace or go to some kind of hellish place which isn't literally h***, it's some kind of other place like. That sounds like their belief. It's just some maybe something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And okay, that lines up. And they're not like, well, we can't really comprehend God.

Cristina: He's just another thing they worship. You're saying people. Yes, but those people are from the sea people. They're worshiping sea people at the end of the day, like did the ancient ones. Were they actually worshipping sea people?

Jack: Worship is our interpretation of it. Keep in mind, when we're referring to gods, the word God ultimately devolves down to the original root of person of intellect, person of authority, elite person of power. It's just with time and losing things and pieces here and there, you don't. People don't see the whole picture, which was our job.

Cristina: Okay. But in the last episode, we decided those were actually shadow people.

Jack: It seems to be that. Yes. That the state of Israel is shadow people. Yes.

Cristina: Well, does that make sense, though?

Jack: It makes sense when they are described specifically as the ones from the other side by everybody else.

Cristina: But once upon a time they had communication with the sea people.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And they were worshiping them.

Jack: No, they're not worshiping the sea people. Where are you getting the worship?

Cristina: Well, they felt some kind of way towards them, that they were above them.

Jack: Yes, they definitely. It's possible that because of the technology. Keep in mind that these are the oppressors.

Cristina: But they still.

Jack: We look at it like they're describing gods. We never said their gods are good to them. In fact, all of these people think these gods are monstrous and will hurt you. The word God does not mean benevolent in any instance, we've used it. And also, we don't even mean God when we use it. Okay, but every time we've used God. All those people think, oh, he's wrathful and gonna murder you. So none of them are like, we worship this guy. They're more like, we're gonna follow his orders. Cuz f*** that.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: You get my point. There's no worship in this old school. People weren't dumb like that. They weren't like, we got a war. They don't believe this s***. People nowadays do. People nowadays are idiots. They're like, no, there was a literal deity or something. These people were like, no. Those people basically own all this s*** that says I can't do anything about it. So I'm just gonna do whatever they want me to do because they don't need me. And it's really easy to get rid of me, so I'll be as useful as possible.

Cristina: But then something happened and that changed.

Jack: The Great War. The unification is what I'm calling it. The great Unification that happened at some point between, just by chance, between the year 6 BC and 4 AD which weirdly enough happens to coincide with the migration of the random group of people. We can tell because of the genetic marker of the J1 that comes from the neck of the Persian Gulf oasis, leaving around 6 BC to sometime around 4 AD and breaking up into three groups that scatter north, west and southwest, landing in Gaza. See, and at the same time, all mention of Elysians ceases. Everywhere the sudden beginning mentions of Israel first happen and we get the invention of the first ever, consistently always foreign own slave state. Now this is incredibly important because of what's happening in this slave state. This slave state is a very interesting location. Again, just following the train of thought of Yahweh, I come to the Jews and then the Jews just happen to be related to the Israelis because, you know, logistically in the same location.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So I then start looking at the Jews because I'm not really paying attention to the Israelis. Really. We just quickly address the fact that they might just be shadow people who joined the group of people who were against the Elysians to begin with.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which checks out. It makes sense as a strategic approach in life. You know, join the people who aren't the. Who are the good people in your eyes as compared to who are the bad people in everybody's eyes. You know, it's a great war, everybody's friends. Yeah, it makes sense. And so the Jews, notorious for definitely not being on the Elysian side, okay, you know, is who these Rayleigh state, AKA a bunch of shadow people who then turn themselves into just normal day humans. It coexists. It makes perfect sense. Right?

Cristina: Right.

Jack: But we have this state. And I think about what we were talking about last time, Right. We're talking about the migration pattern and how it broke up into these three different things. But a question came to me after the episode, which unpacking, the question got really, really, really dark, really, really quickly. Ran. I asked, but how do we know there's migration patterns if we killed them off? And that's the ones that are left, minus the ones that got away elsewhere. Right. Well, what's the migration pattern? It's DNA traces over time. So it took them time, they migrated at normal people speeds. They were trying to blend in. Right.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But we can trace their DNA with current day science. We couldn't then. They had that science, but they knew we didn't.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they blended in the people and made their way out. Hence the slow migration. They impregnated women throughout the time. Some blended in, whatever. They diluted themselves and disappeared into the populations. We can trace where the purity kept going as the line kept moving. So why didn't we eradicate those people? Right. We can trace the same J1 marker.

Cristina: Mm. You're saying those people as in the other two locations?

Jack: Yeah, the other two paths of the J1. A variation of DNA that we don't. We haven't killed those people that have it. But we know we don't follow the migration line. We just know that there is the Gaza line, the Gaza spot and where it began. And we got those other two lines. The two lines. We don't eradicate any of that. And the line in Gaza going to Gaza. No. But we have Gaza trapped. What's the difference from Gaza and those lines? And I had a theory about this. And then when I thought about this theory, I didn't looked into it, into how things work in it. Well, I didn't look into how things work. I looked into my theory and it told me how things work. I'll explain.

Cristina: You looked into your own theory?

Jack: Yes, I looked into my own theory. I looked at aspects of my theory.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Did some research.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And found weirder things about how things work.

Cristina: All right, and what was your theory?

Jack: So current day Israel is holding hostage current day Gaza.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We all know this. There's a blockade. Everybody else is kind of like let it happen, but what's really happening. Right. So currently Israel has currently Gaza just nice and boxed in. And I was looking at patterns. What often does this and for what purposes? Might somebody else.

Cristina: Trap another country or.

Jack: Something like not necessarily Country. I'm trying to remove myself from any idea that might connect back to war. I try to always remove myself to get different perspective. So what paths can lead to it, to a similar look? Well, scientists, oftentimes that's an initial. Once I saw scientists, I was like, let me click that f****** thing right there, bruh. Scientists tend to isolate a specific genetic variant in order to preserve just its evolutionary concentration. Right. What does this mean? We can have a pure version of something that's less influenced by the external world.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Fact, we can trace the genetic markers because of the migration line. Fact, there are two genetic variants, the lines themselves and the B1. B that came from the J1, that exists only in Gaza, which is sort of refined alternative. Just purified there by itself. Not purified, but it's more pure than the rest of us. Just a more concentrated version of the J1. Interesting. Why do scientists do this? Well, they do that to research these specific things. Okay. Yeah. When you have like a creature in isolation, you have less influence from the external world. This is great for genetics and things when you're studying biology and stuff, not when you're studying natural responses and psychology and behaviors. Because isolation is bad.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But you can create sort of a fake habitat and have them enclose within that fake habitat, which isn't really fake habitat. It's natural environment usually just protected from anybody going in or out. Then in that controlled environment, they're sort of less exposed to the outside world, but you still have access to the creature sort of living in its natural environment, staying as natural as possible. And this is usually how we preserve things from going extinct. What does preserving something from going extinct mean? The bird, the animal, the dog, the cat, whatever, isn't going to mate with some other things. It's going to mate with its own kind because it's trapped inside these walls with its own kind and it can multiply into more pure versions of itself.

Cristina: We do that with animals.

Jack: We do that with animals all the time. That's what natural preserves, enclosures are. Animals can keep reproducing among themselves and not diluting themselves. And that's sort of what's happening genetically inside of Gaza. We can tell that the people there have a specific, more concentrated version of a very specific genetic marker. They happen to have started at Persian Gulf Oasis.

Cristina: You think that's important to why they're being trapped in the first place?

Jack: Yes, because now I have to talk numbers again. This was just what, what might look like this in the world. And it led to scientists this Led me to the next point, which is essentially just a numbers question. Right. Once I start discussing the numbers, you're gonna get a lot of where I'm going with this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Right. All right. 7 million humans is one instance. 50 million Neanderthals is another instance. And about a hundred to a thousand alfamers is another instant. These are different variations, different quantities that it took to create different stones.

Cristina: Okay. Oh, duh. Oh, duh. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. So 7 million humans. It's the most recent stone we can, like, track. That was pretty big.

Cristina: How many people are there?

Jack: It's getting to the hundreds of thousands.

Cristina: That feels like not enough.

Jack: Well, let's talk about these numbers again.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It was the most primitive stone we can think of before the concept of our time existing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Before, the concept of our time existing was a thousand. Roughly a thousand. The most could have been a thousand based on what's left in disgust. Elfamers. About a thousand. Very small number. Very primitive. S***** stone.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Very low number. Really good stone. It couldn't make a universe.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Ooh, Kind of interesting.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: 50 million Neanderthals. Whack DNA takes a lot. Stone was so s*****, it took another try.

Cristina: Yeah, okay.

Jack: S***. You know, too whack of DNA. It's.

Cristina: But this is not whack DNA.

Jack: We're going back up, right? Because the most recent human stones was against Jews, right? 7 million. Using the Jews. Right. Using what? Specific Jews. Right. The Jews of Israel. Right. Those are what? Those are just gin, Right. That's a really strong stone. Right. So if you're gonna retaliate, you need a pretty strong f****** stone. Right? But you've always had your f****** ace in your back pocket. And we're talking scales of hundreds of thousands of years. This is a quick retaliation. Oof. Not really. Hundreds of thousands, Usually thousands of years. But yeah, a hundred years is a quick retaliation. It's really, really quick. Okay, so we're talking that these guys are making a pretty overpowered stone. If you're using Elysian DNA to make it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's. Potentially. They're calculating. The strongest stone ever made use is the equivalent of the weapons of mass destructions that we think exists, but secretly in the background. This is the real power. This is what people are really scared of. This is the true fear. And the problem is there's a very reminiscent thought that just happens to be a cartoon that really gives me a really good image of what's happening and why other people might already be stepping back. Because a lot of people stepped back right at the Beginning. And they're like, f***, bro. But why?

Cristina: Seem like some people are trying.

Jack: Yes, but what is the caution? Right? We know. We know a lot already. It's possible that these are just op gin. The tech is already up there. We can't do anything about these people to begin with. But there was a very vivid image I have, if you remember in Full Metal Alchemist, what made the military particularly dangerous?

Cristina: The fake stones. They're not fake, but, like, they had real stones, but they were wax stones.

Jack: They were small stones.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Ring size, like a diamond ring.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Tiny stones. Yeah, but they were real stones. But what about the stones made it great? Then everybody had one. The generals of every group, soldiers had guns, but the guy at the top of every tree, he had a stone. He worked his way to a stone, and he had to learn alchemy and do his homework.

Cristina: I think they just have a bunch of little stones.

Jack: I think we are in a situation where they've learned to casualize the ability to use these stones. And we've witnessed the flex. Like, maybe they've had it. And that's why we've been like, well, we're not gonna do it. They come from the other side, and they just become human. I think since that point, since the formation of Israel, they've had this, and nobody's gonna touch them. And then the first people to try their best to do so. Well, I mean, the state of Israel gets formed after N*** Germany.

Cristina: Right.

Jack: Didn't even exist until then. It's a response to that.

Cristina: Okay, you think they have stones, though?

Jack: I think at that point. I think at that point, they have stones. The state of Israel is controlled by essentially, quote, the generals with the stones, unquote, which are not really generals or military figures, but rather people of importance who have the ability to do real important damage on an interestingly overpowered scale. And that because of this, everybody has always just kind of done whatever. But the moment finally came. They told us, oh, yeah, we'll end this for you, but one day we're gonna do the thing. Because we have to.

Cristina: I don't want to just like, whatever.

Jack: And like, yeah, we're like, whatever. We'll deal with it then solve the problem now. Because we're stupid humans. We're stupid f****** humans. We're dumb. We think so. Short term, it's ridiculous. Part of the lifespan is retarded short. So, like, what the f*** would we do?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: You know, we think in our. In the terms of our lifespan, they're thinking in the terms of theirs it's not the same to them. That short blip is really tiny scoped. But no, we, we considered our whole life. It's like you're just considering a longer span and you're judging us. But ultimately these guys, no one can do anything. Nobody can do anything. And I think that's the big problem. And right now they are starting to form a really overpowered stone, more powerful than any that has been formed until now.

Cristina: Where? What, what are they gonna do then? What. What's the next step? They make the stone and then what?

Jack: I don't know. We'll just won't hear about them. It'll go back to normal. No, they won't leave. It'll just quiet down. They're gonna get their thing accomplished and that's it.

Cristina: You think they won't just escape out of here or something like the next step like all everyone else with their stones?

Jack: Yes, but not in our time. Time span. We're not going to see that happen. Oh, the next. Keep in mind they're performing at their time span, not ours. We're thinking, oh, within our time span of life. We don't know. We're not gonna see that happen.

Cristina: But it's gonna happen eventually.

Jack: Presumably. Yeah, within a couple of hundred years to a few thousand years or some thinking hundreds of years. Based on the time scope that we see, everything happens within dozens to hundreds. It seems to be the regular time frame of LEAPS. 300 years seems to be the average good jump from one point to another.

Cristina: That's crazy though. That's crazy.

Jack: What?

Cristina: That they're just making a stone?

Jack: Yeah. But it kind of checks out, right?

Cristina: Just waiting for the stone to be made.

Jack: Yeah. And this question was just stuck in my head when I was just wondering.

Cristina: What could they possibly be doing?

Jack: Not even what could they be doing, but why. Why did I know about the. The path of DNA?

Cristina: What did you know?

Jack: Well, I didn't know. I did research.

Cristina: Why did someone know?

Jack: Yeah, why did. Why did ancestry look at this? How did. What was the point? How did they get. Not why, obviously I don't know why they looked at everyone. How did they know that that existed? Right, but what's the answer to the question is because there's people with the DNA. So wait, you didn't kill everybody with the DNA? Duh. So then what does that mean? That means that there's something specific about the people over there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So then what's specific about the people over there? That's not. You're just imprisoning the ones you could catch. No, there's a. There were a bunch. And you ignored them. You caught some for a reason. And then I was like, why the. What else could look like this? Well, scientists do this to preserve things, to keep things purer, which we can prove because they actually have a more concentrated version of the same DNA. And what does adrenochrome work with? It works with blood.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the higher quality of the blood, the better the stone, which is proven. Although never discussed explicitly other than through the events. But the numbers line up with the events. You need less numbers if you have a purer blood and you usually use a stone and some other kind of thing to try to make a purer creature to then use to make a better stone. There's a process they were always going through.

Cristina: Mm. So there's gonna be something next, then? Yes, next evolution is coming up.

Jack: It depends how long it takes from the stone.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because. Yes, that was the other problem. Right. I'm like, okay, so the state of Israel happens, and then we discuss that, and we ignore the one fact that happens. Following that logic. Well, that group of individuals is what then? Well, the ones who could cross and turn themselves. Those are the elite scientists. That's also why those are the ones we're scared of. Those are currently the strongest, most powerful thing out here. Those are the ones who are gonna take the place of the Elysians. That's why everybody's horrified, too, because what we stopped is starting again.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: And we're watching it happen. And we know at any moment it could be f****** any of us. But we helped them, and now we have to pay. It's essentially the demon crossroads problem.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I will reward you with whatever the f*** you want right now, but I am coming for you.

Cristina: And that's pretty much what happened. Okay. Yeah. Everyone had a problem.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: The humans came and, like, we can help you.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Oh, crap. Oh, crap. Mel. Are gonna be our problem. And we just got to watch and wait. That's weird. It's really strange. Yeah.

Jack: And it's weird because they didn't even help us stop the Alicians. They helped us to stop the Germans. That's it. They rolled up and helped to stop other humans. It was easy for them to do. So easy for them to do. They did it through the United States. So easy for them to do. Simple. Simple, effortless. Because what? We can push humans around like nothing, but we're coming for you.

Cristina: That's crazy. That's too crazy.

Jack: We successfully spent almost 2000 years. Well, I guess we didn't make it the 2000 years roughly because that was sometime in the 40s and now it's 2024. So you know we, we cleared the 2000 year mark of having suppressed the issue, but we made a deal with the devil and not really. They're not bad people. We gotta continue the thought creatures that can easily do the thing aren't thinking of us as people. That's really all that's happening.

Cristina: We're not equal to them.

Jack: We're not equal. We're smaller, less significant things that could be easily manipulated.

Cristina: Which we were.

Jack: Which we were. And we're still being. So it's pretty cut and dry. And the moment finally arrived then we're watching it happen and we're kind of all shook but talking about in the background like how do we stop it? We can't, we can't just jump in. It would be too easy for them to end it all right now and go start somewhere else. It would be too easy. We invited this in. So how do we think our way out of the problem? First point of action.

Cristina: You have a plan?

Jack: Well, no, this is the p. This is, I'm assuming the world at the moment.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: First point of action. The people of Gaza are f*****. We just have to let that happen. So that's a distraction while we talk, while we plan.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: While we figure it out. That's our timeline. Because one, we already can't stop them. Two once that's done, we'll never stop them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we gotta move to Mars. That's a, that's a possibility for sure. And the fact that. So the, the second thing, I don't know if you've looked at this and we can. If you want to.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Many, many, many, many, many billionaires and high hundred multi millionaires have been buying bunkers and buying seats to go visit Mars.

Cristina: That's not shocking, but okay. What can we do with that though?

Jack: Just all been happening. Buying seeds to leave the planet. Buying seeds to go underground.

Cristina: Yeah, because they know.

Jack: Because they know.

Cristina: What can you do? I don't know. It's very Egypt and my. What's the other people? Males.

Jack: Also how reminiscent of Horizon zero Dawn is the Mayans solution to hiding from the incoming apocalypse that they were experiencing.

Cristina: Yeah. And then the other people that went into space.

Jack: And then the other people went to space. Egyptians.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: No, it always, it's always the same. It's always the same. It's literally history repeating itself.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just away from baseland. That's it.

Cristina: And it's gonna happen.

Jack: And it's gonna happen again. Holy. We're seeing history happen again.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What the.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, that's crazy. That's really cool.

Cristina: That's cool that it happened in Horizon. We didn't even realize it.

Jack: Yeah. That's pretty badass. Good on them. That's fire. That's fire. I like that. D***. And we have neither.

Cristina: Neither. No.

Jack: No. Because we know the base is. That's just happening. So this is getting wiped out. We're part of the you're f***** group.

Cristina: No, we're not. We have.

Jack: Our bunk is not deep enough. We're not like Illuminati bunk. Our bunk is like, meh. Like a good. Like a missile directly hitting our territory.

Cristina: We can hide in one of the many locations where the Loch Ness monsters were protecting those random labs.

Jack: No, that's fair.

Cristina: Is that good?

Jack: Yeah. 100. And we're some of the only people who even know how to reach that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Then that's kind of fire.

Cristina: We have something that's fair.

Jack: That makes a lot of sense. We act fair enough. We actually have a lot of. We could do the spacing too. That just kind of sucks.

Cristina: Does this look. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. Like, we can just use the. The pyramid and like, warp out. But the problem is we sent a whole group of people there and that's just still nothing. So, like. Nah.

Cristina: We could some. No. How could we. Because we haven't figured it out. Travel to the place of the people that are listening to us.

Jack: Oh, crap. You mean Universe Three?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I don't even know how we would accomplish that.

Cristina: That's an idea. Very Full Metal Alchemist, then.

Jack: Yeah. Escape through those means hop through a portal or somehow. I mean, anything. Right? Because what's coming. Ultimately a group of people who are way more powerful than us are going to begin experimenting to advance their civilization, I guess. Or themselves to get out of here.

Cristina: Probably like everyone else. But out of this reality into Althaim?

Jack: I don't even know. Well. What. You pose a different argument, which we're still looking into, which is that it's not just out, but it's also creating universes of their own.

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: And it's like. That's even more valuable because many of.

Cristina: Us do they have to sacrifice to do that?

Jack: How many of us do they have to sacrifice to do that? Keep in mind it looks like earthrealm itself is some sort of farm of elf fame. People of some degree. We're all sharing somehow that DNA. And the lesions are the Purest version of that.

Cristina: It's complicated.

Jack: Yeah. So, like, if you're trying to make something pure and then make a universe, you come here to do it. You leave the shadow realm, you come here.

Cristina: That makes sense.

Jack: And then you find the purest thing here, which are the people of Gaza.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: S***. Just so happens to be where they're at and exactly who they happen to be killing. What the f***?

Cristina: To make a new something. Yeah.

Jack: Just so happens to be what's happening. What the f*** are the odds?

Cristina: It makes sense though, right?

Jack: What the f***? Unless it's the most exact coincidence in all the f****** time. It is step by step what would need to happen. And it is literally what is happening.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, like, I don't know what to tell you guys. If there was ever a clearer image of some weird supernatural that just so happens to not be. I mean, at this point, I don't even think about it as supernatural. I've. It. I've rationalized it into technology.

Cristina: Yeah, me too.

Jack: You know, like, I've seen enough. I've seen it. We've seen images of literal tech. Our attack, it's just not our tech. It's just not our tech. But it's just foreign enough that it looks like magic. But then we look at it and it's like, well, that guy wasn't shooting energy out of a pot because magic. No, there was a. It was a battery, bro. And we saw it and we saw the inside. It's like, oh, I get it now. And then. Oh, my God, the staff. And he was controlling magnetism and electricity. Well, it was a staff wrapped in coils with a metal rod inside of it. And he was in an area that was intentionally built with a magnetic sphere around it, bouncing electrical currents that he could then manipulate with the rod. It was intentional. Yes. Of course it looked like he was controlling it, because that was the f****** goal of the technology. It's like, oh, with enough time and enough different angles of literally seeing it. Yeah. I no longer see it as magic and stuff.

Cristina: But we're in danger.

Jack: Oh, yeah, We're. We're. We're very. I don't know how we would solve this problem other than leaving, which seems to be what everybody who doesn't want.

Cristina: To bother seems like the problem. I mean, the solution. It seems like what everyone's doing is it's got to be out. No up or down, up or down.

Jack: But I'll tell you one thing. The last uprising worked.

Cristina: The last up. Right.

Jack: Think about it. The last uprising worked. Although these guys Jumped on the opportunity to capture a group of them because they knew what was coming. They knew. Wait, you guys will jump, we'll help you guys. And we're gonna trap this group of people. Anybody can own this s***. But we're eventually going to show up and we're going to establish ourselves and this group of people. We want that this group of people, you need to make sure that group of people 1 stay pure. We don't give a f*** who owns that group of people. It stays f****** pure or we eat you guys instead.

Cristina: What do you mean by an uprising?

Jack: The uprising that happened at the time of Jesus, when the Alicians were first broadcasted to the world their location and that the big war happened and that at that point, these people, these jinn who assisted in the act, who were the shadow gods, they show up and they help with this situation to suppress the Elysians, because they weren't even with them, they're against them. Right? So they roll up, they help the people. We successfully suppress the Alicians, they give one rule for their whole thing eventually. We want that group of people. So you keep that group of people? Yeah, that's why we've seen that their DNA manages to be completely purified, essentially. Well, not purified, but still diluted, but way less than the rest of us. And it simultaneously managed to be owned by different people, which you think it would mix and be diluted. But still with regardless of whose hands it was in, they followed the one rule of that stays pure.

Cristina: Okay, right.

Jack: And then World War II happens, they roll up, help solve the problem. Now we got the straight of Israel, totally unrelated to f****** Gaza. Just okay, but unrelated to f****** Gaza. They're just. Yeah, we're just taking. We just. We just own that now, guys. And everybody's like, well, they just own that now, guys. We don't. Yep, that's what it is. What the f***?

Cristina: I mean, it was theirs before they got there.

Jack: I guess that's the argument. But there's no such thing. Palestine always owned Gaza. Israel doesn't exist. In fact, Israel is a chunk of Palestine.

Cristina: Oh, but how, what can you do about shadow people?

Jack: Well, we know an uprising happened and succeeded at the time of Jesus. And it was for somebody more powerful, so much more powerful that even the shadow people jumped in to assist stopping the problem.

Cristina: But the shadow people were helping us with the sea people.

Jack: Yes, and then they rolled up and assisted for World War II. And then.

Cristina: Are you saying that someone else or something else is gonna help us with them?

Jack: No, I'm Saying that we still managed to stop the sea people. So an uprising succeeded. So an uprising can succeed, but it.

Cristina: Was with help of outsiders. I don't know.

Jack: Yes, but presumably those outsiders at. No, man, I was. My point went out the window once I thought about it right now. Because I'm gonna say those outsiders at that point were about as technologically advanced as we are now. But that's a lie. They were definitely way ahead of where we are now, even. Yeah, by like, a lot. Yeah, maybe not by like a lot.

Cristina: But like, enough from them to be able to change their bodies from whatever they were to whatever we are.

Jack: Like, we're looking at their, like, crazy tech. Yeah, they're like 2,000 years. No. Yeah, because we gotta think that they were really. When we see them swinging some kind of real ham of technology, it's like still 12, 000 years.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's like fog. Okay, so 12, 000 years before we.

Cristina: Get the crisis, hope that the sea people that are hiding pops up and defends us from them.

Jack: Why would they defend us?

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: You know what's confusing about this? Because Jehovah was like, but you're killing the people and giving them the technology. But I guess when you think about it, it's more about we can't harvest them if they're dead. Yeah, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like, why are you killing the cattle, bro? We can't keep killing the cattle, bro.

Cristina: You can't keep killing.

Jack: It's like. Is that. I guess. Yeah, I guess you could still explain it away. Fair enough. Fair enough. I was gonna try to jump on his defense now, but no, he's still pretty horrible because he was f******. Because I'm like, why is he experimenting on us and then defending us? And it's like, oh, no, he's just making sure we don't die.

Cristina: Yeah, you need some of us alive to continue experimenting.

Jack: Yeah. And you can't just f****** give them all tech and then they all collapse. Yeah, the whole line of the f****** equator, except the Alicia. The Egyptians collapse. Everybody. All of them. Except the Egyptians, of course. Of course. Stop, bro. Lucifer, homie. Come on, bro. I know you mean well, dog. Look, look, Dab me up, bro. You know, I. I respect what you're trying to do, bro, but you keep killing them and, like, they're just f****** dumb creatures, bro. Don't give them this s*** and then show them, and then they're just gonna try to kill the next guy.

Cristina: Yeah, it was just death. Like, if it was making stones, at least that'd be cool, but, like, it was wasted death.

Jack: It was wasted death. Exactly. Just trying to make intelligence happen. And it's like, come on, bro, it takes time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or jump on board the project of breeding something that could learn faster, which is what everybody's trying to do. Why are you just trying to. I guess the shortcut. Fair enough.

Cristina: How they're here.

Jack: Okay. I lost a little respect for him. Fair enough. Fair enough. I see the problem. I see the problem. If we're people of honor and everybody else is doing the hard work and this m*********** is like. But maybe one of them will just miraculously work out and then we'll be done and. Except that never really happened. Playing the slow game might have worked out, but why? Because the ones that went to Norway and the ones that went to the Atlantic can monitor us and watch us and see where we're all. We're almost there anyways. Playing the slow game. Yeah.

Cristina: No countless of deaths involved, except for.

Jack: Like, what we caused to ourselves. And now the problem. Showing the shortcuts. Showing up again.

Cristina: Yeah, the shortcut. Yeah.

Jack: Oh, s***.

Cristina: That is always a danger.

Jack: That is always a danger. Oh, my God. There was a good guy.

Cristina: Ooh.

Jack: Well, it wasn't a good guy. There was a bad guy because a bunch of amoral s*** happening.

Cristina: Yes. So you can't really say anyone was specifically a good guy. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. That's fair. That's fair. So there was a bunch of amoral s*** and then one exceptionally s***** guy who was like. But the shortcut to being immoral.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, if a bunch of them died. Cool, man. But some of them will work out. It's like, what the f***?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Yeah, I guess that's kind of s*****. That's pretty bad.

Cristina: It's pretty bad. Yeah.

Jack: He seems. I guess. Oh, man. Lucifer is clever, Right? Because also the way the argument gets twisted by his point of view is he means well. He wants you to know stuff, but he excludes what the cost is.

Cristina: Death.

Jack: Death, most likely.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He leaves that part out.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, it looks. It looks great. When you look, you don't see the results.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Hey, everybody, eat the fruit. You'll know everything if it doesn't kill you. Is the whole sentence.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: You know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's really the whole sentence. Hey, everybody, eat the fruit. You'll know everything. And then he just, like, you know, mumbled the rest of it. Hey, everybody. Everybody, eat the fruit. You'll know everything. And.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, and it's like, what?

Cristina: We had, like, a giant contract, you Gotta accept. But you don't read all the terms. And somewhere in the back it was like.

Jack: And it was, it wasn't even in the back. It was just really exceptionally small and in parentheses and in the corner so it looks like an explanation to some other. And you're like, well no, I, I understood. I don't have to read the explanation because they lie to you. And like the first five times you see that same format of really tiny in parentheses in the corner. It was an explanation. And you tuned out by the third one. But the fourth one, that's the one that was actually the unrelated true clause.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That you never read because you tuned out. You're like, it's more explanations. And that was clear enough. You know, just.

Cristina: That's exactly what happened.

Jack: That's exactly what he does. He's just smart enough to. He's Fox versus cnm. It's the same information. But you know, he decided to just say but I give you information all the time. And like nothing else.

Cristina: He's as bad as our journalism.

Jack: He's. He's as bad as our journalism. A thousand percent.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That is a fact. I mean. But all sides are. Everybody's just painting their picture.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. Yeah.

Jack: We can't trust any of it. We've even come across any of this information grabbing a thousand different sources at the same time and cross reference all of it. Because everybody's lying all the time. Only what everybody agrees on can we say is true. The rest is twisted by everybody.

Cristina: That's a lot.

Jack: Yeah. Basically, if it's about group A, I need to see what group B and C say. Because group A lied about it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it can't. If group A is talking about group B then I can't ask group B either. I have to look at what group C and D believe about the situation between group A and B. It's the only way I can tell the truth. Cuz both those m************ are gonna be biased as f***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's the only way to ever get data.

Cristina: And that's two will also be a little bit biased because they're getting something out of it.

Jack: Yes. They only wrote it down because of the benefit to.

Cristina: So you know. Exactly.

Jack: You gotta get far enough. That's the problem. If you get too far, the information falls apart. And if you get too close, well, the information falls apart. It's just all lies.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So you need to have this medium of like, I'm far enough that it's not just propaganda and I'm close enough that it's not just random gibberish.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So it's like a cohesive. I can get enough at this distance, perspectives. It looks right. And I get a whole image, which is a pain in the a** that we have to do this all the time.

Cristina: But what's our job?

Jack: It's literally our job. What the f*** else can we do? How else are we supposed to get to the bottom of the truth of the situation?

Cristina: Well, we did it, though. I think.

Jack: I think. I think. Yeah.

Cristina: Unless Jesus pops up.

Jack: I don't know. Well, that's the next problem here, Right? And you know what's really weird about it? But it kind of means the Bible's not lying. Let's think about it. Creatures from the shadow realm, what we would describe as h*** in a Bible roll up.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They begin what we would describe as the Apocalypse. Although it's happened before from our point of view, it's gonna satisfy that idea because they're gonna try to eat everything in Earth on Earth. Not literally eat, but, you know, kill us through experimentation and enslave us. And essentially h*** on Earth for just humans.

Cristina: Okay, Right.

Jack: But then Jesus shows up again. Again is the key word, because it would be again. And so him showing up is like, well, I'mma do what? I'm going to save the people. Specifically, who will? His people and everybody else who isn't the creatures that came from our proverbial h***. Weirdly enough, that's the apocalypse in the Bible. What the f***? But who said it would happen? F****** Jesus. The psychic.

Cristina: That. Yes. Okay. So, like, I also know that that's gonna happen.

Jack: Yes. He knew the whole time. He called it all.

Cristina: I mean. Yeah, that's part of being a necromancer. Yes.

Jack: He just. This is meaningless to him. He knows. He just kind of smacked them around casually whenever he feels bored enough to get involved.

Cristina: For that stone. Maybe.

Jack: He's gonna let them make it, isn't he?

Cristina: Yeah, I think so. Because he's also a neutral party after the disaster. And then we're like, yes, finally. He's finally here to save us or whatever. But it's like, it's really for that stone.

Jack: Yeah. He's gonna stop the rest from happening. But he's like, yeah, the Alicians.

Cristina: Yeah. Like he doesn't care.

Jack: He doesn't give a. He specifically hates them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The Alicia. Yes. No stone. Will he ever want more than that stone?

Cristina: The one out of the people he hates the most.

Jack: Yes. He's been waiting for this day.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He probably been casually feeding these Information to come and take that stone, make it themselves.

Cristina: And she's like, this all probably started with him somehow.

Jack: Yeah, he. I mean, so he called it at the beginning. He literally said every part of it and every part is happening. And he. I mean, he said it's the master plan.

Cristina: Well, this is probably how he got the stone in the Shadow Realms.

Jack: Easily.

Cristina: Because he too overpowered. Yes, but, like, the shadow people in that place are probably shadow people he met during that adventure or whatever. Like, how did he get it? Like, how did he walk in? Did, like, what. What happened to those things that were there? Maybe those were his armies. Because we know he did bring back people. He brought back people?

Jack: Yes, he did. He brought two stones and he brought back people. Yeah. It's a craft.

Cristina: Those could be the sh. Those same shadow people there right now might be his people that he brought back in that moment.

Jack: S***. You know specifically who he brought back. Prisoners of Yahweh.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: S***.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Oh, s***. Oh, man. That's on point. Wow.

Cristina: It all goes back. It does all make sense.

Jack: It does all make.

Cristina: It does make sense. Oh, my gosh. Of course he knows what's gonna happen. Those are. He planned it.

Jack: He planned it. Every part.

Cristina: He's waiting for it to happen.

Jack: Not even waiting. He could have blinked. For him, it could have been a split second. From being over there to being at the other end in the future. At some point, I'm like, okay, now let me collect the stone.

Cristina: Yeah, it's all for the stone. And we're just going to be cool with it because, like, it's Jesus.

Jack: It's. Jesus is going to roll up and be like, that was. Yeah, this was part of my plan.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we're all going to like, oh, yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Like, who's going to say anything? Yeah, nothing's gonna happen.

Jack: Yeah, we're gonna be like.

Cristina: People are gonna freak out and we're gonna have, like, people killing each other. Well, yeah, there's no. No one's gonna stop him.

Jack: And he's literally just gonna prove he's Jesus.

Cristina: Yeah, he's not gonna.

Jack: Like, he doesn't care. He's probably, like, I'm sure Hermes consistently all that. He didn't show anybody how to become. That's different. He had to. You gotta be. You know, you gotta acquire the knowledge to learn how to become a necromancer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But I'm sure he gladly showed everybody how he was a necromancer. You know, just like, oh, that's why the Jesus with the f****** walk on water and wine things casually. These guys bringing people back from the.

Cristina: Dead just to show.

Jack: Just for show. Yeah, magic tricks of all sorts. Bread and fish and this and that.

Cristina: And it's like, okay, it's gonna be the Messiah. The show all over again.

Jack: Yeah, man. No, I think, I think. Well, it's complicated, isn't it? He really did plan the whole f****** thing. It lines up.

Cristina: Yeah. He's gonna pop up and talked about it.

Jack: He said, oh, yeah, it's gonna happen and there's nothing any of you could do about it.

Cristina: And like his people, he brought them there. They're not just shadow. They're just not random shadow realm people that said, hey, we're gonna protect you. No, they were his specific shadow realm people that told us that they're gonna protect us because he told them to say that.

Jack: Yeah. And he'll easily get rid of the problem.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This is effortless. You could control everybody effortlessly. They swear this part. They swear this. This is their plan too, I bet. Yeah. I don't think they're word. They think, oh, we're working with Jesus. I think they think this is their plan.

Cristina: Yeah. He brought them back and they're like, yeah, this is what he wanted and that's it. But they're not questioning why. Or maybe they are, who knows? But that's so crazy because he knew and they're not gonna do anything about it.

Jack: No, it's nuts. This is crazy, man. He specifically saved the prisoners of Yahweh, which are the Jews of Yahweh. The tide with Yahweh. He was just. Yo, that's crazy.

Cristina: Then they have to know his plan. They are not just protecting those people out of an agreement to make them into stone. Like it has to be because Jesus want that. And they know the plan is to turn him into a stone so Jesus can have it. He saved them. The he. They must have a deal with him. He's the true devil at the crossroads.

Jack: Yeah. He is the devil at the crossroad. He's the top of it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh. Oh, d***. That makes perfect sense. Well, whatever. We are out of time. But crazy.

Cristina: I understand why the people were afraid. Now we see it.

Jack: Now we see it. Now we see it.

Cristina: Them.

Jack: Yeah. Well, that group of sea people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We might actually see the whole situation.

Cristina: That might be the step to the end of all of them. The first step to the end of all of them.

Jack: Well, it depends, because we still have the people, the sea people at the bottom of the island. They still had the same amount of time to work on their tank.

Cristina: They don't have a stone made out of themselves. That's the most powerful thing I've ever imagined.

Jack: S***. You're totally right. You're totally right, Bear.

Cristina: He has so many. And then he's gonna have this one.

Jack: No, to be honest, the other problem is. No, let me. S***, we gotta get out of here. But you brought up so many points. No, no, no. Let me f****** address this real quick because you're totally right on so many cases. First, the Elysians don't have a stone. Jesus stole all of them. After somehow the shadow people acquired them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The Elysians have no stones. First problem. Problem number two, we're just talking about the ones we know created. But keep in mind we know about others. We're not even addressing twin towers going down. That was definitely one being made. Same people on both sides involved. World War II. Same people on both sides involved. It's always the same groups of people always making the same thing. And so we're assuming all of these stones are owned by the same people at this time.

Cristina: Which is Jesus.

Jack: Which is Jesus. Afraid, like. Yeah, there's no chance. You're totally right. There's no chance any elation is stepping up. There's no chance.

Cristina: Jesus has been making stones all this whole time. All these things have been. It's just him and his people that he has here, disguised as us.

Jack: Alternatively, desperate times, desperate measures, they went into two different directions.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: The people who went west can definitely at this very moment be making pure Elysian stones. If they've gone mad with the need to retaliate. A caste system naturally evolved, and the bottom of the caste system is still equally pure DNA. But now you're the people who will be used to create stones. I'm sure a single Elysian stone, a pure one person Elysian stone, is quite powerful. I'm not saying super, but I'm saying equivalent to like a weak human stone. I think if you have an entire caste system that you can throw, say a hundred thousand people into and say you guys are all the stone and they already have a stone. Assuming they would devolve into that. We don't know how big the civilization is down there. Yeah, it would have had to expand underneath the water over 100,000 years, probably quite significantly. So who knows?

Cristina: Who knows? It's possible, but we don't.

Jack: Also, is Bioshock loosely based on what's happening there? Just saying. Anyways, totally random. Just thought about it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah. Mad stones. And I Don't even remember what my other point was.

Cristina: The Elysians might be having a plan, a backup plan.

Jack: Oh, s***. The people who went north, that's the backup plan. Because what's north? A group of what?

Cristina: Nepalem.

Jack: Nephilim. Is anything more f****** overpowered than a pure clean nephilim, which is a clean 50.50cut of human and deletion DNA.

Cristina: But that is what Gaza is.

Jack: That is not what Gaza is. Gaza is more diluted. It has to be 50. 50.

Cristina: Has to be 50. 50. Okay.

Jack: And that is what exists up north. If they trap and isolate that, then.

Cristina: They have a nice stone and then.

Jack: Breed that over the same amount of time. Keep in mind these groups of people are thinking in their time scales and.

Cristina: We don't know why they didn't stop. Like, we know that they know about those people, but haven't done anything to them, so it could happen. They're just letting them breed in that one specific location just in case of. Yes, there was always a backup. Okay. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Okay, so just theories, you know, just talking about things. There's direction here.

Cristina: Interesting. Interesting. What? What? Craziness. Okay, so there's more. It's not just an easy word for Jesus.

Jack: At least.

Cristina: For Jesus, at least.

Jack: Yeah, there isn't. And it's definitely. You know, it's gonna get crazy. It's gonna get wild in some time.

Cristina: Okay, well, we can all just wait until that happens, I guess. I don't know. Because no one has a real plan anyway.

Jack: And, I mean, I'm sure the plan is being worked on.

Cristina: Besides the people that are trying to escape, everybody.

Jack: Yeah, I'm sure there's people trying to escape. There's the possible retaliation from the Elysian side, but we might. Ha. Man, if there's a can't. It sucks either way. It sucks either way. If this is real and this really happens, it doesn't matter who wins. We're f*****. It would have to be Jesus wins. If the Shadow People win, which I guess. No, it's Jesus. No, it wouldn't suck both ways, because Jesus would stop the Shadow People. They've. They're gonna be tossed away. Easy. He explained that plan. Yes, but no, he still knows what's gonna happen. The Alicians can't beat the plan. They think they can. Yeah, but he saw that fail too. He saw their plan. He saw their plan. He's a necromancer. He knows it worked. He's been on the other side. He saw it. That's why it doesn't matter.

Cristina: I don't know. Maybe he hasn't seen that specific plan.

Jack: Everything has come true. That's overpowered. Come on. That's pretty.

Cristina: Maybe they're so secretive about that plan that they don't really have that as a plan.

Jack: But how? He's psychic. He could just. He still knows that.

Cristina: That could be.

Jack: Unless they're somehow blocking it out.

Cristina: Yeah, they can't. I don't know.

Jack: Well, I still don't know if his psychic ability allows him to zone in on people like that, but I don't know. Anyways. Anyways, if you guys. Yeah, there's a lot. There's too much. If you guys have any information that you want to give us on any of this, if you guys have any perspectives or data or any. Anything you want to talk about, you could do that. Hit us up on our social medias. You can communicate with us doing that at just Convo pod that's on Tik Tok, Facebook, Instagram X.

Cristina: And remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth is the most overpowered thing that's existed in all of history. And look, I always think this s***'s almost ending, and then another door opens and then it's infinite.

Cristina: You'll never do. Never close. It will never close.

Jack: It will never close. And it makes only more sense as time goes by. It's maddening.

Cristina: Yes, this has been the Rambling podcast. Take Nothing Personal and thanks for listening by.

Jack: Sa.

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May 04, 2024

Rambling 272: Where To Go From Here

May 04, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

What is the ultimate goal of the Necromancers, of the Research Groups and their Experiments? What is the purpose of their actions? Who is the good guy and the bad guy in the story? The duo take a different approach to the Data relative to the Elysians, Necromancers, everything surrounding them and more in an attempt to find a cohesive direction to go. In this episode, the duo attempt to zero in on what they should be looking for!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Philosopher Stones
The Teachings of Hermes
Elysians (Atlanteans)
The Three Realms
Creating New Realms
Becoming A God
The Universal Arrow

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Tristina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today as we have gone on an infinite spiral of unpacking, I don't even know what the context of what we're talking about is. For anybody who's followed along this psychotic road. You know what I mean? Anybody who just stumbled into this episode. Good for you. This is both a ending and. Or beginning.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Because there was too much. I successfully found absolutely too much information. And I sat and I thought about it. I even told you that what we're gonna be talking about, it's gonna be really open ended. But then I had more time to think about it and I'm like, this is absolutely too structured. It's. I don't know where we're going. And because we don't know where we're going, we follow random threads and we go random places. So there's no focus. So today I want us to end that. That stops here. And we're gonna either stop talking about whatever the f*** this is or we're gonna focus and try to actually understand what the h*** it is that we're trying to find. Because.

Cristina: Specifically related to the necromancer or all of it.

Jack: Oh, exactly, Exactly. About Jesus. Or is he a part. Because right now it looks like he's.

Cristina: A part like him too. Like everything. All the.

Jack: What does it all have to do.

Cristina: With all of it?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: So this is the conclusion.

Jack: Not. Not even the conclusion. This is. This is us trying to understand at a deeper level and trying to process it in a meaningful way that gives us a direction to go in because it is kind of aimless. We started at a unicorn and ended up at Jesus Christ and the Matrix. Come on, man. Like, yeah, it's. Come on. Where, where, where are we headed? We know something is weird because there's always this air of a lot of people go missing, important, powerful, colossal level God tier things just poof out of existence at random moments. We don't have any answers for that. No information. It's all theory, speculative at best and has almost no evidence or any. Anything. We're talking. Where is Eloi? No mention of him ever dying. We have no mention of Yaldabaoth ever dying. The closest thing we got to Jesus dying is him under a different name. But we don't even know who's Jesus at any given moment or who's just some imitation or what the h*** is going on with that. A lot of people disappear. We know that they all disappear. There's a lot of people who know how to. We know of it. Looked at the beginning like getting to the Shadow Realm was a difficult thing. But as you look more. It's mainly within secret societies. A lot of people know how to do it. A lot of people know how to get there, especially the Vikings. They had an entire force dedicated to murdering s*** and being able to rip portals open and cross through. Like, get the h*** out of here. Like, that's fire, dude.

Cristina: That's the. That's disturbing. But okay, yeah, they were the ones drinking blood.

Jack: Yeah. And they were the ones hearing the voices and entering sacred lands just by. It was like, okay, great, fantastic. So that's not as secretive and crazy as we think. Everybody's doing it.

Cristina: Yes. Because the Shadow Realm creatures have a difficult time getting here. But once we open a portal over there, it's super easy for them to come through.

Jack: And portals are many different things. We consider portals. Oh, there's a round little gate. But that doesn't make sense. That's our visualization of a doorway.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Really, a portal is some sort of frequency, as far as we know. And if you had two radio stations that were very close frequency, you could kind of hear one on the other. And if you slowly turned it to the station right in between, you'll hear them both overlap. Like you hear one and the other simultaneously. You can say earthrealm is one station. Two stations away is the Shadow Realm. And that middle station where you get kind of both of them is the tunnel you use to connect the two points.

Cristina: The tunnel is the fairy.

Jack: No, the tunnel. I guess for a necromancer, yes. But in the case of, like a normal person, we're just talking that the doorway we imagine is incorrect. The better way to think about it is this frequency where really you're tuning in. You're kind of phasing from one side to the other. A doorway isn't a hole was ripped and a creature came through. No, it's a weird, other complicated feature that I can't. I actually don't know the. The mechanics behind it of how we end up with a lot of fear concentrated in one spot. And then we get the manifestation of creatures native to the Shadow Realm that I don't get. But that seems to be how it works.

Cristina: How exactly?

Jack: What is it that the more fear, the More kind of they phase. They're phasing from their. Out of their place into this place. Because it's sort of relatively the same, kind of complicated.

Cristina: Because it feels like a situation where it's like you hear about the story about like the Boogeyman and then like if you say his name three times. But like, if that's true, how like kind of like what came first.

Jack: You're talking about Candyman. You're talking about all these like sort of Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice or Mary in the freaking Mirror or whatever.

Cristina: Like people are able to do this. Did they do it first accidentally and then these creatures came through, or did they know about these creatures?

Jack: Why have you never said this before? This is a really good point. This is a really good point. There's a. Even casually, we have gateways. Dude, we never thought about this, but literally seances. And when you think about Ouija boards, even if the board itself is doing nothing, you get a bunch of people who think something might happen.

Cristina: And enough of them idea into their heads that something might happen. Where does that.

Jack: I think it happened naturally. Obviously. Creature gets scared. See, the thing. It. It probably. We were probably even more close together before humans came to be. Humans might be the only ones not in. If we go into nature where the monsters and the demons exist, maybe that's a little more accurate than we think.

Jack: Because you look at the idea of these locations, it's where. Where the humans aren't. Because animals will feel fear on a more normal basis. They're not rationalizing it away. They're not sitting at home like, oh, no. That's obviously just the. You know, there's no. There's no rationalization to it. They're not thinking about the other whatever the f*** they're like, oh, no, the monsters coming. Because that's what it's like in nature. It's like, it's gonna kill me because I don't know what it is. Let me be in panic. Fear automatically happens, and then it just generates some other thing that could eat you. Okay, so it's whatever. It's just nature. We then rationalizing it kind of mentally created the distinction between this barrier and that barrier. Holy f***. That's literally what Hermes is talking about.

Cristina: Oh, no. What?

Jack: Holy s***.

Cristina: Wait.

Jack: No, that's literally it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there is no barrier.

Cristina: We made it up.

Jack: It's mental. It's somehow psychological. And we physically implemented it. Because again, I think about what I just said. Think about what I just said. It's absolutely natural and normal. For a creature, nature to feel fear, that is part of nature, it keeps you alive. And in doing so, you'd bring in another creature, probably the creature that preys on the creature you were scared of initially. Thus the cycle of life. And then humans come into the picture. We start thinking really hard, where do humans come from? Yaldabaoth was thinking really hard. And somehow that leads to starting to make a distinction. He thought so hard a distinction happened. And so we then within the said distinction, instinctively always make distinctions. But within nature there's no difference. Did Yaldabaoth make this realm or was this somehow always here? And thought makes us think of one coming first and the other one second.

Cristina: Possibly.

Jack: If it's all always existing, then there was no beginning to it. One didn't make the other. They are always one piece, which is literally what it says. They're sort of the same program. It's. He didn't make earthrealm. Earthrealm is a bubble with walls built inside of the shadow realm.

Cristina: It.

Jack: We are just a shadow realm.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We're what you call. If you decided, f***, California. That's a mess. We're gonna wall them off. That's exactly all it took. And then boom, they called it Earth Realm. Here we are.

Cristina: And that's. But Earth. But the things on Earth did that. Not Yaldeville, I guess.

Jack: Yes, right.

Cristina: But then it's.

Jack: It's a combination of both somehow, is the argument here. He somehow was the catalyst to a state of thought that made us literally wall off something that, in other words, we might be able to just perceive.

Cristina: Now we have to be tricked into letting these things in.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: When they should be able to, but they can't because our walls in our mind or whatever the walls are creating.

Jack: And then there's the individuals who know how to simply dissolve those and bend reality, which isn't bending reality is how reality was meant to work. Yes, but we don't. We limited ourselves so heavily. Well, that makes a lot of f****** sense. Suddenly. I guess not following the line was way more useful because it allows us to just really unpack. There's so much to unpack.

Cristina: Yes, there is.

Jack: And this makes a lot of sense, I think.

Cristina: I don't know. It's fairly random. But we got something.

Jack: Yeah, this definitely feels like something, but it feels like something we wouldn't be able to research.

Cristina: No, I don't think so.

Jack: It feels like something we can't follow, but makes sense based on the conclusions.

Cristina: But we know Hermes talked about it like it's there. It Was always there.

Jack: Yes. We just didn't understand it incessantly. Talked about all the time, forever. It was. He literally. His teaching.

Cristina: He was telling us.

Jack: And he broke the same teaching up into three different methods. And he taught it three different ways to three different kinds of students based on the ability they had and the information they had. He was very, very determined. This is how it works.

Cristina: Maybe he'd be proud of us.

Jack: He would be proud of us.

Cristina: But.

Jack: Okay, okay, let's follow this thought. Let's be logical adults here and say we are going to. We did discover it. Okay, Point number one accomplished. We get it. I get how it actually makes sense that it didn't exist. There is no shadow realm. There is no Earth realm. There's cohesive thing. And chances are that's probably how it works based on what we're seeing with Elfim as well. So there's no differentiation.

Cristina: There is no. There has to be. I forget because, like, you have to kill the fairy to whatever. I don't understand.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know.

Cristina: Never mind.

Jack: We don't have any. No, it doesn't make any sense. I don't know. It breaks down pretty hard. It kind of works like science does. Like, if you go far enough, it just falls apart.

Cristina: Yes. We have pieces there. It makes sense, but it doesn't make sense because there are actual barriers. So then did he make them? He was the one that made them.

Jack: No, because the way he describes it, a name that translates to our understanding as physical beings in our language, as a forest. That's not something he by description made. That's something that by description happened when.

Cristina: He murdered that fairy.

Jack: Yeah. It wasn't like, here are walls. The theory is he then took advantage and built around it. But what the f*** does that mean?

Cristina: What does that mean? But yes, he definitely did. He definitely did. I don't know how, but he did. We know he did. He saw beings in this new space. That's still that space, but somehow different. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know either, man. There's some. Something weird there. And also, what the h*** is wrong with Loi, dude? Why, like, what do we. First, we're not even sure if his. Because, like, the title is Loi. I'm getting that. It's either a last name or a title. We're unclear. But, like, he didn't have a lot if his last name was Loi. Did not. Or he didn't. Like, he invented last names. What the is happening? And that's why we know him. He invented last names, and he's famous for that, but I got lost. We just know Loi.

Cristina: No, I don't think so.

Jack: So, yeah, he had a name, and it wasn't Eloi.

Cristina: No. Wait, why wasn't it?

Jack: Because. Why would he not. But didn't. What the f. If he was the first? I mean, he wasn't.

Cristina: He wasn't. Who was the first?

Jack: Many. There were many. He's one of them.

Cristina: Crap. Okay.

Jack: He's just one of them.

Cristina: Oh, he was lying in the first one.

Jack: No, he was a guy. He would have had to been born like anybody else. Oh, so it's slow progression. There were many.

Cristina: Okay. I don't know.

Jack: So it's weird.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: He's not the first. He has a first name. Or is that his first name? And we follow that last name. And the like people aren't link, but they'll go by that name because they are assuming the role.

Cristina: Well, then who is the hero of time?

Jack: Well, the one we call Loi was the first. He did have a name. And we don't know if Eloi was his first or last name or a title awarded to him, but whatever he. That's what survived.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And that's how we refer to him. The question is, was that the last name? Was that the title? And if it is, what was his first name? And Yahweh was his son.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Jehovah was his grandson. Son of Yahweh, all with Eloi in the back or all part of something. And they're not related.

Cristina: They could probably not be related because of the time zones.

Jack: I think, additionally, it leans more into being a title than a last name when you consider the fact that Jehovah did not have the stones, but Loi did. And when we find the stones again, Jesus is acquiring them from the Shadow Realm. So we still don't know why Eloi doesn't give them to Yahweh and Yahweh doesn't give them to Jehovah. We just know Eloi has two of them. And then we go, we come back to Jehovah looking for all three of them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then we don't know anything about Yahweh. Who should have had them.

Cristina: Yes. Why? But yeah, they can't be related because, like, why didn't they just pass down?

Jack: Why didn't get passed down? Why did it immediately get lost? Or did it get passed down and where they know enough about Yahweh and he lost it somehow.

Cristina: It would have to have been Stolen. It can't be lost.

Jack: If that did happen.

Cristina: Crazy thing to be losing, like, if.

Jack: He did have it. Yeah. It got stolen.

Cristina: I would think so. Like, there's no way that. I mean. Oh, no, no.

Jack: Not with what it is. Not what it is. It might be the most important thing ever.

Cristina: That's too random. But then again, like, the way Jesus. No. Yeah, but he stole it too. And he did it easily.

Jack: Easily. It took him a day, maybe.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Maybe less, maybe.

Cristina: I don't know. His story was epic, though, of getting those songs. Yeah.

Jack: He's also kind of exceptional, like, I think.

Cristina: But I don't know what happened to those original ones.

Jack: And then he also has the ability to be necromancer. Come on, Manny. There's something wrong with this guy. He has to be the most op. Even Hermes has to be shook by Jesus. If Jesus could do what Hermes can, what can't Jesus do?

Cristina: I don't know, because he's probably not even here anymore.

Jack: And we keep calling him Jesus because we're Westerners, but really we're just talking about some kid named Emmanuel.

Cristina: Well, he changes his name also.

Jack: Jesus was one of them. Exactly. We just know he was really, actually literally born the first instant mentioned and seems to be the most repeated name that echoes through other cultures is Emmanuel. That seems to be the most consistent. Emmanuel is what his name was. So some dude named Emmanuel was just a f****** savage?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And, like, could do whatever, whenever, however, wasn't even doing bad with it. He was just telling people, like, you.

Cristina: Could do it too.

Jack: I don't give a crap. Nothing matters because you're God. You, like, you calling yourself God isn't cheating if you can do whatever the f*** you like. I get that. It's not literally I was born from a star or some crazy s*** like that, but what the f*** would be the difference at that point?

Cristina: Well, Hermes is as powerful. Like, how are you choosing?

Jack: I don't know if Hermes is as powerful. That is a problem, I would guess.

Cristina: Because of how powerful Santa Claus is.

Jack: Yes. But let's assume Jesus, who has three stones, maybe four, and Jesus, who not only has all those stones, who he had. He could just make a stone. He needed these op. Specialized stones.

Cristina: To do what?

Jack: I don't know. But he has them. And it was effortless to get them. Whoever had them is dead, presumably because what.

Cristina: Or.

Jack: Or even within the shadow realm, his abilities are so savage that he can just pop in, pop out, and you don't even know it's gone. I Don't know the caliber at which he went. And the same f******. They got it.

Cristina: Well, we don't know if it was a day.

Jack: Literally says three days.

Cristina: Oh, that's so dumb. That's so dumb. But that's part of storytelling. That doesn't mean that it actually happened three days.

Jack: It says everywhere on earth that has ever reported about this one guy vanishing. It says everywhere. They were all impressed. It took three days. So either he's OP as f****** s*** and there's no comprehension for just you walking down a hallway of Nothing but demons 30 times your size and you're just John Wick your way straight through that hallway. Effortless. They don't even touch you. They couldn't touch you if they wanted to. You just make it to the side unscathed.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or there was f****** nobody guarding that b****. And it's like you just happen to know. Exactly. Exactly. The only option here is he's more powerful than whatever the stole them the first time, which successfully took them from arguably.

Cristina: How did he know? Like, how could it be that fast? Like, even. How could he know?

Jack: I think he does have telepathic and psychic powers and a bunch of crazy. I think it's so old he just.

Cristina: Knew where they were.

Jack: I think he's.

Cristina: Because he's just new.

Jack: Or maybe he just didn't. I mean, Santa does.

Cristina: I know he knows.

Jack: Like, he knows whatever the f*** he wants to know.

Cristina: I guess so.

Jack: I guess this is the power of a necromancer. Okay, it's just the power of a necromancer. Look at it like this. Let's unravel some more of Hermes logic, right? The barrier to everything exists because you built it. Additionally, there is no differentiation between that and this. Us and them. That's all simultaneously the one same thing. So really, my knowing where it is is as easy as me deciding I know where it is because that is where it is. Because I know.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Do you see the problem? Like, if you understand what he wants you to understand, what can't you do?

Cristina: There's no stopping this guy.

Jack: Yeah, it's as easy as, well, I know where it is because I know everything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And because I know everything, I know where it is. It must be here. And then you go in and say, because that's the only place it would have been.

Cristina: What's the point of doing anything?

Jack: You can't stop him. But he has to be. I guess the caveat. And I think this is where we all f*** up. I think this is where it Stops making sense to all of us. And I think somebody did a really good job about explaining this logic to us. Weirdly enough, it was Nicolas Cage in the movie Next, where he sees into the future by a very specific margin. But there's a trick to it. He doesn't always see the future all of the time. He thinks about it like a thought. It's a thought he can have towards the future. Mm, Interesting perspective shift. Now, let's apply this in real time. Santa doesn't know what everybody does all the time. He has a bag with a wormhole that connects somewhere. He shows up because he has the magical ability to teleport. And then when he's there, he can think about you and gauge what when he gives it to you that night. So the same effect takes place. He had to think about it in a moment, but it's fine. He's everywhere all the time. At least from our point of view. He had to think about it. Now he's not thinking about it all the time. He doesn't just know everything all the time, but if he was in a fight with you, he's just thinking about what you're doing next. You're never landing a hit.

Cristina: That makes a lot of sense. You see, he knows. Yeah, he just has to think about it. Like, even though. Like, the part of him knowing whether you're asleep or awake.

Jack: Like, not literally, but he could.

Cristina: Like, he could if he's there. And he didn't have to be there about it.

Jack: If you just thought about it.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Jack: He doesn't know who the f*** you are. So he doesn't randomly just know what the f*** you're doing. But when he shows up at your house, well, he's here. He could think about you. No, it works. And it solves for X or whatever. Interesting, right? And it allows us to have a situation where. Well, we have instances of Jesus being, like, duped or moved around. But how? Well, he didn't know what to think about. To dodge it, you have to be looking for it. It's a thought. You have to think about it. And if he's not thinking about it, well, that's the way around. Except you don't know what he knows and what he doesn't know. Because he can just jump in your mind. Because he could just bend s*** with his mind.

Cristina: Why didn't they just murder him?

Jack: He was an experiment and the idea was to see how it goes.

Cristina: I don't know. I feel like the moment they up.

Jack: I know they up, they f***** up. I don't know if they f***** up. He doesn't seem to give a. About anything.

Cristina: Possibly. Unless they're all dead. We don't know that either.

Jack: Murdered them all.

Cristina: There might not be any.

Jack: Jesus happens. And the amount of silence it just follows exactly is absurd.

Cristina: Everything.

Jack: Everything can be dead. Everything.

Cristina: We don't know.

Jack: Silence from every direction. All of it.

Cristina: Except for creatures here and there. I guess.

Jack: Yes. But they're not even from here. They wander in.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This mean that's 99 of what's left creature events. But we have and weird instances of relic ship being found and people being where they shouldn't.

Cristina: That's it. But the humor. Everything.

Jack: Dude. He's born. We got years of people running and hiding and shifting and changing narratives. Changing entire empires built around correcting the existence of this guy. And that's dies and then it's all gone with him. Just poof.

Cristina: But then it could just be. They're really good at hiding after that. I don't know. It's so.

Jack: It's because. Yeah. The biggest issue is the creation of the church happens simultaneously with the birth of Jesus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Not simultaneously literally but within the same hundred year period. So the correction effort that is monstrously educated and sophisticated coincides with the existence of Jesus who just shows up. It could really be that it's too risky. And too many people saw where we are. We just moved and we changed the story. And so you guys just don't know. And so it looks crazy. And they're invisible because they're just good at their job. Or they're dead. Everybody's dead. All of them.

Cristina: Easily either one.

Jack: And we're not part of the beef. It was those f******.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So he's just gone because he finished the mission of murder Everything.

Cristina: Or he escaped. I don't know. Yeah.

Jack: I'm assuming that's what it means. That he just left.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: He just dipped out and left this realm.

Cristina: But we'll never know if they're still alive. But I'm guessing they are because we still have the be the triangle doing its thing.

Jack: That's right. We got this whole thing happening up there. So they're still down there. If they're not then at least for however many thousand years their systems have been running in the cloud. People don't even know.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. I guess that's possible too.

Jack: I don't know. You know Like. I don't know. I don't know man. I don't know. I don't know. You're telling me that the Mayans and the Egyptians and the Greek and. And these guys and those guys, are they alive? So everybody just dips. Everybody just hides sophistication. And it all disappears with them. All the advanced technologies, we just get shreds that obviously they couldn't bury a hundred thousand percent of it. If they got thousands and thousands and thousands of years of recorded history, but they remove all of it, then many thousands of years happen and things get buried underneath and we lose history of how things happen and blah, blah, blah. So they relied on time. Because time stops being a factor when you can live really long. Because they can plan for that. They can plan like, oh yeah, I could f****** live a thousand years. Whatever.

Cristina: That's true. I don't know. Okay, yes, there's factors here.

Jack: We forget all the time the fact that longevity is just casual here.

Cristina: But we don't really know how long. No, they can live forever because they figured it out.

Jack: Yes. Literally in text it says that several different instances. I believe it was three. We got a mention of Azazel figuring it out. Azriel. My bad. Azriel figuring it out. As part of the Garden of Eden group, which seems to have been in connection with Hermes, who himself was already a necromancer, who by default seems to have the ability to have the ability to make themselves immortal. So it's like there's mentions of immortality. We also know Merlin was also immortal. We know St. Nicholas is also immortal. And based on those examples, we can speculate St. Patrick is too.

Cristina: He has to be. I don't know. And is he still around? I don't know.

Jack: So like, what is. What is all of this? What are we even talking about?

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Like, what is this topic? What are we talking about? That is the problem. What are we trying to figure out? That is the problem. What is the point? So what? Where they went? Is that the goal? Or who? Why? Why what Jesus did? Question mark. What is the point? Yes. Okay. The truth is out there. About what? Everything is a lie. Apparently. So what the f***? Let's just accept it's all a lie and keep moving on. Yeah, exactly. So where we aiming? That's what I don't understand. It's like. It was interesting when it seemed like it was going somewhere, but now, f***, everything is a lie. So who the f*** cares then? If everything is a lie, then what does it matter?

Cristina: Does not. Because nothing's real. I don't know.

Jack: Exactly. So then just call it all bullshit and continue with your day. But no this is a f****** program. And we're expected to report.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So where do we lean? What we have to. There has to be a focal point that makes sense to move forward because where the h*** do we go? Is it the stones? No. That's a tool. Jesus also seems to be a tool of sorts who just happened to be a living one.

Cristina: Mm. Everything that there's too much things we can't figure out though.

Jack: But do this. Any of these things. It just feels like answers to trivial s*** as opposed to like knowing like, what is the. I just wanna. The question of the question. Not the answer I'm looking for. The question of what are we looking for? If I can answer that question.

Cristina: Answer that question. Yeah.

Jack: Because the answer to that question will give us a question.

Cristina: What are we looking for?

Jack: Yeah. If we could just answer that. No, because we're not looking for Jesus. We have. It was hard, but once you find the first thread. Now we know. We literally traced his every step until he died.

Cristina: Is the end goal. But I don't feel like it is because the end goal might be just going out of the matrix.

Jack: Which. What the does that even mean if we can't access that? Yeah, but it's not because getting the stones would in theory just allow you to accomplish that. Or not even just getting the stones, but being able to move from one system to the other. Which was yelled about this initial thing. So still hearing stories after that point defeats the purpose. It couldn't have been the point. You see the problem?

Cristina: We can.

Jack: We can rule things out.

Cristina: That makes it easier.

Jack: I don't know. Yeah, but it doesn't help us know. I mean it does its own things. And I suppose this is definitely not about getting out. It's not about the stones for sure. They're a tool.

Cristina: But what could it possibly be that's difficult because Jesus is high up.

Jack: Necromancers.

Cristina: They figured out everything. They figured out how to live forever. They probably figured out how to be happy. Unless it's about being happy. Like what could they possibly be needing? We're wanting.

Jack: Who's the bad guy in the story? Who's the good guy in the story? What's the problem? What's the problem?

Cristina: What's the problem? Is the problem.

Jack: Yeah. What's the problem? There's a lot of information. I guess there isn't a problem. I guess what we're really uncovering is just a bunch of suppressed history. It's just stuff happens. Life junk and junk. This stuff. It was just stuff that happened. We're Just investigating stuff. There's no goal here. Sometimes there was war, sometimes there wasn't. Some people were starving, sometimes there weren't. Some people had God, sometimes weren't. A lot of science, a lot of technology. These guys like those guys. These guys argue. That guy's really good at his thing, that guy's really s***** at his thing. So they fight a lot. This guy's opinions, that guy's no opinions. It's just people. We're just uncovering people and a lot of secret society people. So it's like, oh my God. But it's just. It's just people.

Cristina: It's just people.

Jack: If we just uncovered secret societies, now it's just a bunch of douchebag politicians and a bunch of rich a*******. Like that's it. That's all it f****** is. There's nothing else. And some celebrities who don't happen to be f****** either. Whatever. Either way. It's just those bubbles ultimately. And that's not anything. If we really observe them, they're not running the world, just idiots trying to outdo one another and trapped in some other system that they're part of or whatever.

Cristina: The probably involving blood, but at some point.

Jack: But even that far up, it's just like more living. It's just part of their world of living. And it looks crazy to us, but they're probably looking at some. They probably look at us ignorant as. Like, look at them thinking blood is ignorant. Stupid animals. And then meanwhile there's some miles ahead of all of them. Look at these ignorant still using blood like some primitive fat.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, you know, it just is infinitely up and infinitely down.

Cristina: Yes. So where.

Jack: Because like Hermes said, as above, so below and everything mental and blah blah, blah.

Cristina: But have we explored it all?

Jack: No. H*** no. It's infinite because it's just people living.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's countries, less people obviously, but it's still countries and that's still people and it's still science and it's still wars and it's arguments and debates and faith and society. And the cool thing he did that we recorded because it was cool.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like it's just all the same s***, this history. Not to say if that at that point. Because we can keep digging under that logic instead of trying to zone in on something specific. We now have enough threads to pull on that we can kind of investigate this world accurately without it being about anything and try to investigate just things that connect to us directly. Or is there a f****** point I don't? Because the fact that they didn't leave. And we're still hearing stories.

Cristina: But we're not hearing stories. We're just uncovering old stories.

Jack: Old stories.

Cristina: So there might not be any new stories unless we can. And how do we go about finding those?

Jack: Well, we get to the 1500s and we come across aliens. Not aliens. Come across the Rabbi who makes the golem.

Cristina: That's not that.

Jack: And he's hearing Jehovah dark, which is really just Yaldabaoth. Come on, man. 1500s, it's not that long ago. That's not that long ago. That's still the Alaba doing something.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: And from where nobody found you. You're not. Jesus didn't kill you. Okay, guess. Fair enough. We got the answer to that one. Jesus didn't kill the other Baoth. Did Yellabouth have the stones? I don't know if he has the stones. Did he? When Jesus did he have them originally? And Jesus got them from him because he's definitely who tells the Rabbi how to make that f****** thing.

Cristina: But why?

Jack: But why? But why is the goal like that?

Cristina: Doesn't even feel like it was for anything. Just to see a new thing existing, something very controllable. Yeah, it was.

Jack: Yeah. There was very little about what the point was elaborated on. It was.

Cristina: But it wasn't like they made more. It was just a one time thing.

Jack: But he was instructed quite directly and it was quite pressing to make the thing. And so he did. But why?

Cristina: Why?

Jack: It wasn't for the Rabbi. The Rabbi doesn't matter here. He's a tool. We can throw him to the side. Why the golem? The golem is also a tool. But the point of that tool. Why? We know the point of the Rabbi as a tool. Make the golem. What's the point of the golem as a tool then? Do the what for who? Who are you?

Cristina: No, because he didn't seem like he did it much. He didn't do much.

Jack: No.

Cristina: He was just doing random crap for.

Jack: Him, like, I don't know, bodyguarding and s***. And then he would just deactivate him at random.

Cristina: Yeah, it doesn't seem important.

Jack: It doesn't seem important. Yet here we have an instance of yellow. So it's experiment. It was just to see if it worked. There's still something happening. It was just to see if it worked. That's even weirder that there wasn't a goal for it. It was an experiment.

Cristina: What was he made out of clay?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Or something?

Jack: Yeah, yeah. He animated random s***. He managed to bring some bullshit. He made a homunculus yeah, he brought some random s*** to life.

Cristina: Did he use blood for that? Or stone?

Jack: He did use blood. Children?

Cristina: Oh. Oh. I don't know. I don't know. What. Okay, so is this where we're going? Where are we going?

Jack: I don't know where we're going. I know we're going.

Cristina: I don't know because there's Nothing now though.

Jack: 1500, that's as close as we got. Arthur happened before that, I believe. And if not, pretty close. We got closer. We got Antonio Draco. That 1700s, late 17, early 1800s. That's not even about anything. That's just some guy who knows about the place. That's not anything that has to do with these other people.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Most recent catastrophes we can try to link to things for the sake of blood or whatever the h***. Making stones or some. One thing or another.

Cristina: And you don't think alien abductions and all those stories have anything to do with it?

Jack: That could definitely just be. Yeah, for sure.

Cristina: Okay. But not to do with any sides specifically.

Jack: Yeah, I think it's just events. I don't know if it's. That's the biggest problem. Like, what's the picture here? Yeah, there seems to be that there is still a picture. I can tell you why. Very specifically. We had the moon landing race thing, the space race, and following us, doing that, we finished and we. That's it. We just got the thing. Accomplish the thing, whatever the case might be. There doesn't need to be an infinite amount of moon related things because it was accomplished. We hate each other. We did the thing. F*** you, we're done. These people hate each other and there's no reason for them to be working together. So they don't. A lot of these work together and then people like Greeks and the Elysians don't. But still the Elysians who work with the Greek, with the Egyptians and the Mayans and the Greek who work with whoever the h*** they're doing, are still aiming in the same direction. There's a goal they have, even if you and I don't know what that goal is. These are independent parties. The Elysians are not only an independent party, but they're an independent party who have two other parties that assisted them for the same goal of what? So much so for this goal of question mark that arguments that broke people out of groups, got all those people together to form yet another group in the shadow realm for the same purpose of this.

Cristina: Which is.

Jack: Which is what? They keep doing the same thing for what There is. There is something.

Cristina: The love of science.

Jack: It's not the love of science.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's too identical, what they're all doing. Okay, that is a problem. If it was the love of science, then all of their loves of sciences would. But how is it that even random geneticists from over there come in and it's for the same purpose.

Cristina: What's the purpose?

Jack: The purpose. Random engineers from over there come over.

Cristina: Here and seems like they purpose everything.

Jack: Out, yet still they're looking for.

Cristina: What are they doing?

Jack: Do you see the problem there does. There is. There's a bunch of stuff painting it, pointing in one direction.

Cristina: It's not to get out. Maybe it's to get more in. Maybe they want to make another layer like we are to the Shadow.

Jack: Oh, I've never thought about that. But we do that ourselves, you know, when. Like the Hedron Colliders, essentially, that.

Cristina: That might be their thing too.

Jack: Yeah, I guess.

Cristina: But like, we don't know because, like, the Shadow Realm gets so much from us. What if we're trying to get something too? I thought we have so much already from us. But maybe digging deeper, there's gonna be more stuff. Whatever this stuff is.

Jack: That's so abstract.

Cristina: Yes, because you know how they're feeding on us, so maybe we want something.

Jack: We do feed on them, don't we?

Cristina: We don't feed on the Shadow Realm creatures. They feed on us, but not like. I'm not talking about, like, eating us.

Jack: But like, using fear.

Cristina: Using fear. Like. Yeah, it's like it makes them stronger in a way.

Jack: Yeah. They literally harvest our energy for themselves.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Man, I don't know. It's so weird.

Cristina: And like, maybe it's about energy because everything in science, you need more energy. Right?

Jack: But then why are they trying to get over here and we're trying to get over there?

Cristina: We're not trying to get into the Shadow Realm. We're trying to get into whatever is the next thing.

Jack: A lot of us are trying to get into the Shadow. Like. Like most people are just trying to get into the Shadow.

Cristina: Well, those are regular people. That's not the fair.

Jack: Fair. Yeah, those are the people.

Cristina: Like the. The.

Jack: The people who. The Shadow Realm is easy too, are trying to get into Alfame.

Cristina: Yeah, but maybe it's not about Alfame either.

Jack: It can't be, because.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: They can do that. Yes, some can do that. And they'll rather hang out here. Why?

Cristina: Because of what they get from here. But what if the next thing would be even stronger or whatever?

Jack: So the argument Is. It's not down. It's not up. It's down.

Cristina: Yes, it's down. It has to be down. Because once you're up, it's like, whatever you. You got it. It's easy. But like. No, I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know either. I don't know either, man.

Cristina: It makes sense and yet I don't understand it. It's there. It's there and I don't get it.

Jack: I know that everything is pointing in one direction. That's a fact. I don't know what they're trying to do.

Cristina: They're not pointing up, they're pointing down.

Jack: They're pointing somewhere. They're pointing. So they're all point. I don't know where they're pointing. They're all pointing in the same direction, though. They're all pointing in the same direction. The. Some of these, like I said, some of these people hate each other and will opt into working with one another for this thing through that hate. For the whatever. For the whatever the f***.

Cristina: So is that the question? Is that what we're looking for?

Jack: I guess. I guess the one and only question we're trying to figure out is what is their goal? That's it. We don't care about who's involved.

Cristina: No. Because they're all involved.

Jack: Everything, all of everything that has ever happened is about this. Yes, we do it. And we don't even know what the f***. People at random are f****** trying to do the thing without even knowing they're trying to do the thing. The point of every part of everything that we can perceive is to somehow be the best at doing that thing. And some do. And so society happens around that individual and they build mega things and some are whack average normal people and nothing happens. But the point is that everybody has the potential to do whatever the f*** this is. So that the one exception, if we go back far enough like, like 150 episodes, and we go back to an episode where we were trying to really comprehend God Jehovah. There was one interesting feature that seemed to be in some of these stories. And it's the idea that this creator didn't no longer want to be a creator. His point was to get something to evolve to the point that they can replace him so he could go to the next thing. Do you remember that conversation?

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: Everything, all of everything is aiming in one direction.

Cristina: I think it's the opposite, though. I don't think they're trying to escape to the fairy realm, which would be reality.

Jack: It would be more about what Hermes is talking about. It's not out, it's in.

Cristina: It's in. It's in.

Jack: Out is so easy for him.

Cristina: Out. Yes, out is easy. And then once you figure out how you figured out this area, whatever this.

Jack: Is, all of this. Because you can see from the outside.

Cristina: Easy. But then you want to make your own.

Jack: If you can. That's genius. If you can look at your universe from the outside. European.

Cristina: Because you're like a God, but you're not a God. You're a God. You're a God when you can make your own realm.

Jack: Yes. Oh, s***.

Cristina: Which is down. Which is what the goal is.

Jack: It's down, not up.

Cristina: It's down.

Jack: It's to make a realm in which you are literally God.

Cristina: Yes. It's what whatever the shadow realm guy did.

Jack: Yes. And it's literally. This would actually correct for language that we don't understand. Literal sentences that don't make f****** sense that conflict with things. This actually fixes it. Think of something like Worship me and no other gods that comes from directly an individual who knows he's not, but has the goal and the purpose of making himself a God through.

Cristina: Everyone wants to be. Mel. Is that her name? Meb. Mab.

Jack: Mab. Yeah.

Cristina: The goal is being Mab.

Jack: The goal is to be Mab. Yeah.

Cristina: Because like, she's not the only one. But she is the one for us at least. She's the goat. She's the. She's the God.

Jack: Yeah. She's the top of the point. We can see so far.

Cristina: Yes. But there's others like her and they're probably all equal to her, but she's still the special one.

Jack: And she. Well, to us.

Cristina: To us. Exactly. So I think that is it.

Jack: And it's. The point is to be the special one to something else.

Cristina: Yes. Don't know why. No.

Jack: But the argument would be. And here is where I would argue. Let me throw some. Some thoughts at you. To try to confirm what Hermes is saying simultaneously. Right.

Cristina: He's saying all of it.

Jack: Well, listen to me.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: Okay. It's pretty simple, Right? So have you ever tried to talk to an ant? And if you did, would the ant know you're trying to talk to it?

Cristina: No.

Jack: No. Right.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: No, it wouldn't. It has no idea, no matter what you do. It wouldn't comprehend.

Cristina: No.

Jack: If an alien sufficiently advanced enough came to talk to you and it tried everything in its power to. But it's just so it. We. We're not even registering that it's talking to us?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I just taught you the border of the realm where one exists and the other doesn't. And it's entirely based on a f****** gap of information. I just showed it to you and I didn't need anything else. Think about that real quick. You do not exist to the f****** ant. That's a mental border.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The alien does not exist to you. That is a mental border. It can try to talk to you any and every day, but you're not ready for it. But when you are ready for it, it'll just f****** be there. Like it was always f****** there.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: That is the f****** border of the realms. It's a level of understanding. That's why it's information. That's why he said you don't need this other s***. That's a download that's gonna hit you with a lot and it's gonna f*** you up.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You don't need it. You could just get there. It's here. Here is there?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You just gotta know how it is here is there. That's what meditators tell us monks and these people know. It's all. There's nothing. It's all the same.

Cristina: But can they get to the goal? Like it seems like they still can't go make a new thing. Like even Hermes doesn't talk about making a new.

Jack: So it must still be hard, even if mental.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The argument must be that somehow I can think. Think something else into existence.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And there's a way to do it and I just don't know how.

Cristina: I think that's the goal. I think so. Because like, it's the hardest thing possible. Like even just thinking of.

Jack: And you had to get through science to get there.

Cristina: Yeah. Like maybe Hermes was trying to figure it out and that's what his teachings are, Trying to help someone eventually figure it out. But I don't think he got it. No, not that part of it. Like he got a lot of it.

Jack: Of course he got the farthest.

Cristina: The farthest. But I think we know where he. Where he couldn't pass. Where they might all not be able to pass through.

Jack: But does the border make sense? Yes, it does, Right? I think we're starting to understand Hermes.

Cristina: A little, I guess. But like you think. But he. This is his research. I think he has to have been helping them for this, right? Maybe.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. There's no mention of down. There's only mention of out.

Cristina: Yes. There's only mention of outs. That's Too complicated now. We gotta look. We gotta. Okay, maybe that's where our next thing.

Jack: Is then try to find down.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Does anybody try to find down or ever mention it? And what would down be if both Shadow and Elfhame are up? What the f*** does down mean? You'd think, oh, based on our interpretations of language, Hel is always down. But that's not the case. No, that's also expansion.

Cristina: You gotta re. Look at a lot of these things because it might be there somewhere.

Jack: And we just so much in front of us.

Cristina: Because problem is rereading.

Jack: Yeah. Rereading with new context changes what we find.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like. That's why it's infinite. We can just keep infinitely digging into anything. So that's why direction matters.

Cristina: So this might be the next thing then Maybe. If we can figure it out. If we can't, then I don't know.

Jack: So what's the ultimate goal we're looking for? Seeing if they're trying. What. What down are they trying to get to?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or can we find that they're trying to get down?

Cristina: Yes. Is that the actual go?

Jack: So can we find that they're trying to get deeper? What for?

Cristina: What for? I don't know. Because there always seems to be. I don't know. It has to do with power maybe.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Like it seems like everything is infinite anyway. But they want more.

Jack: They want more of something.

Cristina: I don't. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know either, man. It's a little absurd.

Cristina: I think this is where it's. What's next. I don't know. Maybe we don't find anything.

Jack: We don't find anything. But it's the direction to look. We still got Yahweh shelf. There's a bunch of Yahweh stuff I've been looking at. Not necessarily stories about Yahweh, but mentions of individuals I think might be. And it's like. I don't know, whatever. Somewhere to go. But like everything is somewhere to go is the problem.

Cristina: You'll find this answer that we're looking.

Jack: For this new or the stones. I really want to know. It's. It could help to track the stones because that seems to be a strong. Like it's important to accomplish the whatever. So like a lot of people are. We're at least closer to the whatever with the stones because they need the stones for the whatever. Even Jesus, who I thought was the whatever, went to get the stones.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So the stones are connected to the whatever. Yes, whatever that might be.

Cristina: Which makes sense because the first whatever was the fairy stones.

Jack: Yes. It was this random occurrence of whatever.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we did whatever. Yeah. It's just whatever that happened. Here we are.

Cristina: Death that's created a stone or not a stone. Tree. I guess it was a tree, not a stone, but whatever.

Jack: Because he had a stone. I don't know. It's so. Because you were always. We're also literally talking about the moment before what we considered the universe existed. So, like. Like we're not gonna find the answer to that one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's like not even a written story. How there wasn't anywhere that existed to write it.

Cristina: Yeah. His son could have written it.

Jack: Weird. I mean, I guess after he came over here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Fair. Fair. How do we know about it? It is at least what we know is written somewhere.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So, like, what we know was written.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So somebody f****** mentioned him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. Fair and fair enough. If we talked about it, it was written. There's no exception. We can go and find out more.

Cristina: Or even if there's not more. We just need to relook at what we've seen and see. Like, did we see something and didn't know what it was? And now.

Jack: Yes, that's actually. And there's probably a lot of that.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot that we got to reevaluate because we figured it out more. I don't know.

Jack: We get more information and then it's easier to understand other random crap. That's really the infinite cycle. You got to keep revisiting. The same expertise is about coming to something with the eyes that you learned. It's sort of being a writer. Right. Any writers or any painters or any. Any. Anything listening creators, they know the following process, which goes as follows. You begin creating whatever you're creating. And you don't know what you're creating, but you thought you did, so you start making it. And by the end, if you're writing, we'll call it a draft. So you finished. And if you're painting by the end of the session, but by the end of the draft, I guess it's easier to explain what writing. You get to the end of the draft, and in writing it, you learned kind of a little more what you were trying to write, what it was about. It was not what you thought initially. It never is. But also your skill level came up enough that you can go back and you're a little better to work on some things. So you start the editing process because the skeletons are right. And in the editing process. You see all the problems and you fix them. Or so you thought. You saw the problems as you go through it. You start writing down the ones you didn't have solutions for that you start going through. And then you make it to the end and you realize, holy f***, that was a lot. But the ones I stumbled at the beginning, I figured out by the time I made it to the end I can go fix those. And so you start going through it and you develop the skill necessary to catch up to the ones you're going to come through as you work through it. But you spot more. Because you have the skill to spot more. Do you see the problem? It doesn't stop.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You could do this forever. A writer has to do what? Choose when it's done.

Cristina: Okay. But this isn't done.

Jack: Exactly. We have to choose when it's done.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because all we can do is become more expert of this. And also we have no idea what the f*** the goal was. I don't know if we can find out. But that's a great direction.

Cristina: Hermes wants us to continue.

Jack: Hermes is pretty in there. He would know.

Cristina: He needs us to continue.

Jack: And he knows what the goal is.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or I don't know that he has to. Right?

Cristina: He has to.

Jack: If anyone.

Cristina: And Jesus does.

Jack: And Jesus does. We. Do.

Cristina: We.

Jack: Okay. So let's. Let's think about this. We believe Jesus knows. We believe Hermes knows. We think the Elysians know. We believe all the research groups. Yeah, all of them. They know. They're working towards it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Who else knows?

Cristina: Probably all the necromancers. Whether they're part of it or not.

Jack: Fair. Just because. Information.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they need a lot of it. Which means they've probably stumbled upon or do it between or around just to.

Cristina: Get to where they're at. They had to know.

Jack: A bunch of shadow individuals know. But some of most of them are.

Cristina: Also part of the group. Yeah. They're in part of the group. So it doesn't matter.

Jack: I don't know. There are the. I like one thing I do like about this. It feels way more believable because we also come across random f****** stories that have nothing to do with anything. Like the judge was just some s***. Just some. Just a story about a guy whose sister was connected to a main character. That's it? Yeah, that's it. Unimportant.

Cristina: Turned her into a main character. Like if he didn't stumble upon this.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. Really. It's the story of her. But his story is cool.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: He's the only reason she has a story, I guess. Yeah.

Jack: And her story is way more important. She's literally in like shaded places with the. The girl that then became an important girl over here. Yeah.

Cristina: Weird. Okay.

Jack: It is weird, man. It's so strange. There's so much weird crap going on. Anyways, so that's what we got. We. I guess we're gonna. I guess the goal is to look for individuals, man. Hermes is right somehow. And it's weird. And like, the more I think about.

Cristina: It, giving us the answer, we just have to.

Jack: We're done.

Cristina: Think about it.

Jack: Yeah. That's all it is. According to his own word.

Cristina: He's got it.

Jack: It's there, it's there, it's there. If we. If we don't. We don't have to go. We don't have to look at anything. According to his teaching, a hundred percent of it is there. It requires no other information. We're just stupid. That's it. And if you think about it harder, it just makes more sense. The fact that I could think of a possibility of what a barrier option is, that I could just think away and put that into words. I just. Alan Watts for a moment. That's how I feel about that.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But also, was Alan Watts a f****** necromancer?

Cristina: We should look into Alan Watts, I think, because, like, I think you should take a note on that. Like, I really think he might be. The things he says, he says too.

Jack: Effortless, it seems too understood, too, like.

Cristina: Yeah, like, he might not be the strongest necromancer, but he knows he gets it.

Jack: He at least knows surface level s*** student.

Cristina: Like, he never became an official.

Jack: Yeah, like, I'm sure Alexander the Great. Yeah, he didn't become a necromancer. But man, was the op enough to be impressive.

Cristina: Like, yeah, like they might have been students, but never like passed the test.

Jack: Like, yeah, exactly. Like, he seems op by our standards, but not op enough to pass that test, homie. Yeah, but still by human standards. Most impressive s*** we've seen.

Cristina: Yeah. So we might be able to find stories about student necromancers. There might be a lot more stories of student necromancers than Kangaskhan was in there somewhere.

Jack: We're talking this guy f****** terrorized and manipulated and controlled things larger than most earth sized countries. That's crazy.

Cristina: If not, maybe he had someone or something with him. Whether it was an ecromaster or a. What are those guys called?

Jack: Naga.

Cristina: Naga. That's what I was thinking. Maybe we should look at him too, because, like, That's a little. I don't know. That's a lot.

Jack: So, yeah, it's a lot going on there. He did a lot to just be a dude.

Cristina: So we got people to look at. We got people to look at, ideas to think about.

Jack: Fair enough. Fair enough.

Cristina: So we got something.

Jack: Well, I guess, yeah. So we have at least a place to start looking for if you guys have any information, anything you guys want us to look for specifically. Maybe you guys have a direction we can go in, a focal point, something you've seen that you've been screaming at, your f****** thing at.

Cristina: You think that's connected somehow that we haven't talked about or you're so close to talking about or you mentioned but never got into.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Like, what if? What have you spotted that we're brushing past? And yes, you're like, say it. And we're like, we don't even realize we're not, you know, tell us, send us messages, do that on our socials. Usconvopada, TikTok, Instagram X& Facebook.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And tell people about the show. Word of mouth matters. And they can come and check out. The fact that we're slowly unraveling and apparently still, even when we think about it, still making moves forward.

Cristina: That's awful. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. Good morning.

September 08, 2023

Rambling 242: The Adam & Eve Timeline

September 08, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

What is the exact timeline of events important to the story of the Sea People? What is the goal of all their scientific research? Who was involved in helping and when? The duo unpack the timeline of events and nail down the order to better understand how the Sea People became so powerful and how they provided extremely advanced tech to powerful other empires around the world.

+Episode Details

2.5mil bc First Tools
2mil bc El meets Cizin
El Collects the Fruit of Life
156,000bc to Adam
150,000bc Primitive Humans
El Collects the Fruit of Knowledge
100,000bc Eve
100,000bs Modern Humans
10,000bc Jehovah Collects all 3 Fruits
7,000bc Maya and Egypt become Advanced
Year 1 Jesus is Born
Persian Gulf Oasis Is Abandoned
Egypt is Abandoned
Maya is Abandoned

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And we've usually got a lot of badass ideas, bruh.

Cristina: Badass ideas.

Jack: Yeah. So listen, last time, last time on Dragon Ball Z, we were discussing a couple of wires that seem to have a cross identity. We had some Mayan individuals, some Egyptian individuals, some Shadow Realm individuals, and we've now come across for the first time the mention of the Forest of Shadows.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which seems to just have fruits that a man named L2 million years ago came across. Then some mysterious figure, 10,000 years before Christ went ahead and wandered in there and collected a bunch of fruit.

Cristina: Some magical fruits.

Jack: Some magical fruits. Interesting, no?

Cristina: Yes, very. Man. It was Garden of Eden.

Jack: No, the Garden of Eden is a lab.

Cristina: But the fruits. Maybe the fruits were taken to the.

Jack: Garden of Eden, obviously, where Adam and Eve are. Because Adam and Eve are not in the Forest of Shadows. Why do you say?

Cristina: I don't know. Like, maybe they're not in because they were kicked out in the story. So maybe we've been calling it the wrong thing.

Jack: Well, no, we managed to pinpoint the Garden of Eden.

Cristina: How? I don't remember how.

Jack: The whole point of a bunch of what we've done is one, finding out that the Garden of Eden is somehow located in the palace of Alcaraz in the Persian Gulf oasis, but then got moved, which then tells us it's not a location.

Cristina: Get it from what I'm saying is.

Jack: They got the fruit and we just answered that question. They got the. They got the fruit, presumably from the Forest of Shadows.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Not the Garden. No, they got the fruit from the forest. Yes, the Garden is a really happy place based on the Bible, but it's also not even a place based on the data.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or it is a place, but it's not a garden. That's the code name. It's some botanic facility of some sort where they were growing. And we have botanic specialists like Ix Shell from the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Weird. Okay.

Jack: That married Zamna in the Mayan civilization and developed highly advanced botanic agriculture. Then presumably a lot of that got implemented.

Cristina: A lot of strange activity.

Jack: Yeah. But it goes to explain how that garden came to be known as the Garden and why the Mayans were so closely related. Because there is something we call the Garden. That lab is green as h***. There's greenery everywhere. Now we have a fruit that came from the shadow realm and a botanist that came from the shadow realm. It makes way more sense now that there is a labor packed with greenery and that that lab is simultaneously the same location where Adam, Eve and likely the genetics that led to the birth of Jesus. Maybe the pregnancy of Maria happened in there.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Not Maria, but Mary.

Cristina: Yeah. No, but you think she might be made from the lab as well?

Jack: She's not made from the lab. Her pregnancy.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Okay.

Jack: Yes, her pregnancy came from the lab the same way. But Adam and Eve aren't even people as far as we know. Those are technology.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, okay, let us. We've got a couple of episodes without a full fledged review. So let us catch anybody who hasn't been paying attention up and then go through what I have found so we find out. Now I'm trying to do this in chronologic order as far as we know.

Cristina: How far back are you going?

Jack: Well, there's a civilization 2.5 million years ago that we know factually had tools. 2 million years ago, according to Mayan and some Persian Sumerian hieroglyphs and writings, there was a man named L. L travels into the. L travels into the shadow realm and he befriends a creature named Sizen that seems to rule the shadow realm. El gets towed of a forest and they go and they explore a place called the Forest of Shadows. Right? Then we have 10,000 years before Christ, that's 12,000 years ago. And some unnamed individual ventures into the forest. He goes into the shadow realm, goes into the forest and finds the fruits. Well, doesn't find it. Shows up with something with a note or knowledge or document or proof. Just hey, this is what I know factually is there. Can I go get it? And he goes and collects one of every fruit, specifically three fruits. Which confirms our theories about the fruits there being more than two. He then leaves with the fruit. That's all he was there for. We fast forward to about 5,000 and we now have the judge Shemesh, who just kind of wanders occasionally through the forest.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And he takes this without just not knowingly as a way to get to the his workplace. Traveling to his workplace. And he goes through the shadow realm. Somehow there's a gate or something, just an open entrance. He goes through the shadow realm and he crosses the forest and he sees weird trees with weird fruit. But he thinks none of it and becomes familiar with the creatures that there. That don't seem to Bother him and he goes to work and comes back the same way he tells his sister. His sister gets fascinated, shows his sister the forest. His sister plucks a fruit, his sister eats from the fruit. His sister is blasted with information that doesn't exist on their own. His sister becomes obsessed with that sight. Inanna is her name. And they although Shemesh goes through just for work, Inanna goes to explore and she gets to this area where there is a palace in the shadow realm, there's a royal family and there is a duo of botanic sisters that work for the royal family. One of them is called Iksha, which is a prodigy botanist and she befriends Ikshao. Inanna and Iksha are friends and they tell each other stories of where they come from. And they decide to swap places every six months so that they can learn about each other's worlds. Weirdly enough, somehow Ixchel does not land in the Persian Gulf, instead lands in the in Mexico, in the Guatemala Mexico border. Don't know how that happened, but we also know that Mount Kaf connects three points, which is Persia, which is the Mayan civilization or what will be and the shadow realm. After a single visit they decide, no, we want to stay on our sides. I want to be Ixchell. The shadow girl now wants to stay in Earthrealm and Inanna wants to stay in the shadow realm. Okay, fantastic. They become obsessive in the other direction. Meanwhile, simultaneously as this is happening in Persia, there is a movement developing amongst the elites, scientific individuals who have decided to band together and start experimenting for their want and their need to create extremely powerful technologies, extremely powerful energy reserves, extremely powerful ways to acquire energy, not just store it. And all the while there's this really exaggeratedly overpowered godly civilization by comparison that we name the sea People. The rest of Persia does not necessarily get along with them. We don't know this for a fact. We just know that they sort of live in isolation, separate. In the Persian Gulf oasis, the sea people later migrate out of there. But we'll get there. We have the sea people creating heavy technologies, important technologies, using anything and everything that seems to be at their disposal. Having teleportation technology, being able to create different kinds of creatures and sharing this with civilizations that seem to be developing, one of which happens to be the Egyptians that themselves come in contact with Sizen from 2 million years ago and from 10,000 years ago when the guy wandered into the forest and picked the fruit. Citizen was informed of this, and he was informed because when people started wandering he put. Actually, no, the order of this is backwards.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Because she, Mesh going through the forest is what led to the watch, the gatekeeper and the record keeper being put at the gate. And then that's how we know about the guy taking the fruit. So chamesh was actually 10,000 years ago and then shortly thereafter, which guy is she Mesh? The judge. The judge was 10,000 years ago. So the timelines are a little obscured because actually, I think that she, Mesh and the guy who came to pick up the fruit happened kind of close to each other. So both of Those happened about 10,000 years ago, as opposed to 5,000 years ago. Then we jump forward into the point where 5000 BC we have sizen working with Autumn, which is also a Shadow Realm creature. And we have. And that's working with Sizen has not season. Autumn has his own Naga and so does Ra, which is a leader of that group, by the way. So this Iksho, which is the prodigy, the Naga are a group of people. Actually, we have to jump even further.

Cristina: Back, back to the fairy, to the.

Jack: Fairy realm, where Mab goes ahead and creates the realms and then creates the three sisters that are to give life and predict life and take life and creates Oros, this sort of snake creature thing, and gives them the task of when intelligent civilizations develop, send individuals to watch over and assist in their development and jump forward. The most exaggeratedly overpowered group is the Sea People, who also have a Naga. They have an individual named Jehovah, which at this point we believe is who went to get the fruit. Oh, in the Forest of Shadows, we have the Naga that is with the Mayans. There are two. We have the. Where Iksho goes, Iksho has one and then Idzama has another one. He is the leader of the Earth gods that create the civilization of the Mayans. And we have the Egyptians that have two as well. One belongs to Ra, called Widget, and the other one belongs to Autumn, which is a Shadow Realm leader of sorts, who has a giant, fully developed civilization, decides to join under Ra and continue developing technologies. As far as we know, as far as we can tell, the data suggests that the Egyptians developed incredibly overpowered methods of teleportation and ways of extracting energy and storing energy. We believe they are the originators of the concept that known as Dyson Spheres, and that they teleported themselves into the Great Void before it was the Great Void, and then began capturing stars over there, then teleporting the energy back and storing them using the technology inside the pyramids. Around Giza. Giza itself is the teleportation and reception tool that then sends the energy to the other storage devices.

Cristina: Awesome. I guess the sea people are using that energy.

Jack: The sea people are also using that energy. Whatever other things the Egyptians were working on, they completely stopped working on to focus on this energy management and energy storage. And then the people in the Mayan civilization, after they developed a credibly complex agriculture which also gets used by the sea people, but they stop pushing that further and focus entirely on record keeping. Immense amounts of data storage, storing infinite amounts of data seems to be that becomes your main priority. And they have storage tools now. It seems like all this really advanced technology is all aiming towards assisting the sea people. Everything seems to be aiming towards assisting the sea people. Storing their information, delivering intense amounts of energy. But all these groups were also working on developing some sort of complicated form of life. They abandoned that, and the sea people continued working on that. But also this seems to be the goal of all the beings that become highly evolved throughout always. The Greek gods, AKA those scientists, decided to do the same thing and try a million ways. The Norse, same thing. Everybody was trying to create life, but also it seems everybody was trying to cross the bridge to different realms. Those seem to be the prioritized objectives that people have. Why? Unclear. Yeah, but it seems to be the case.

Cristina: See, there's so much parts. There's just so much parts, so many.

Jack: Moving parts, and they're all connected. We fast forward, we're probably gonna not even do this in criminological order because we got to jump around and think about all different things. So we go and we get to Jesus. This is year one. So the plan goes as follows. Well, let's. Let's start at the beginning of the events leading to Jesus. There is a C person named Mary. Mary is a test subject voluntarily to have a being. She's going to be artificially inseminated using the programs Adam and Eve, which are modified using the fruits obtained from the shadow realm. And the goal is to create a child that can easily cross barriers from dimensions without aid. Perhaps in a way to manipulate their own genetics in the future and be able to give themselves access. Who knows? By the way, I didn't think about that before, but that makes perfect sense. If you can have a biological being. This is why she had to give birth to him. That actually makes a lot of sense because he would then be a genetic being sharing their DNA. Then they just study him and modify their genetics because we already know they have the capacity to do that?

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: Once they modify their genetics to be identical to the genetics of Jesus, then.

Cristina: They can do the same.

Jack: Then they can also cross realms. That actually makes a lot of sense, huh? That's why she had to give birth to him.

Cristina: Did their plans with him succeed?

Jack: No, because Jesus still couldn't enter Elfhame.

Cristina: No, I guess not. He had to die to do it. But that was from other things.

Jack: Well, he had to die to enter the Shadow Realm. He didn't even have clean access across.

Cristina: Okay. Ah, yeah.

Jack: So she gets artificially inseminated using this program called Adam and Eve. The child does in fact have some sort of special abilities that are crossing realms and just crossing large gaps across the universe. It seems not just Earth, but space itself, and not just Earth realm, but every realm. And people are getting visions of the child, of the Persian Gulf oasis, which is a private community and worst of all, of the lab that contains everything that they've worked for.

Cristina: So they gotta get rid of him.

Jack: So they've gotta get rid of him. They devise a plan that makes absolute sense. Mary is going to leave the Persian Gulf, so they cannot have visions of what they're about to do because the child will never be there. They're having visions of the child and where the child is at all points in time. It's not one moment, but visions of him in the future as well. So he can't be anywhere that they're going. They must go somewhere he cannot be. And as a result, people cannot have visions of where he. They move to.

Cristina: Yes. So they leave from.

Jack: Yeah, they send Mary out. She is to go cross into.

Cristina: Across.

Jack: The Middle east and reach Cyprus. Cyprus. She's going to give birth to Jesus and then she's going to get escorted or somehow reach Mount Athos. And from Mount Athos she's going to reach whatever point they're going to that nobody's gonna know. She gets assigned Amadji, which is one of their elites, one of their elites, intellectual and almost wizard like individuals called Joseph. And he is to escort her along the way. They cross Bethlehem, where there is a huge conflict happening and it becomes too dangerous for them to cross. So they redirect themselves and land at Nazareth, where she ends up giving birth to Jesus. Problem? This wasn't supposed to play out this way. But now she refuses to leave. She's gonna stay with Jesus until the end of his life, which she does. Then she goes to Cyprus after he is dead. We know how those events play out, more or less. And she goes into Cyprus from there ends up at Athos. And from Athos, poof, gone forever. As expected, in that time, the sea people moved their entire civilization from the Persian Gulf oasis in the palace of Alcaraz and went to right off the coast of Bimini into the Bermuda Triangle in the Atlantic Ocean. And they established Atlantis, which is an undisclosed unknown location somewhere beneath the Atlantic Ocean. They remove the portal that allows people to access the shadow Realm and reach Egypt and Maya effortlessly, which is Mount Kaf. They create a magic barrier around Athos so that it cannot be used to access them. Presumably because there's a portal on top that connects directly to Atlantis. This portal is important because the creator of the realms also created the elves and sent the elves to cap the power of advanced civilizations. And they all use magic. And the barrier is a magic barrier that they cannot infiltrate, that they cannot cross through. They cannot use their abilities. They couldn't just teleport there. Presumably they also have this existing in Atlantis in the Atlantic Ocean, which is why they cannot be reached. They have all the measures, so they cannot be accessed. Meanwhile, in this time, Jesus is born. Jesus People having visioned of Jesus for this entire time, and he starts preaching, does this thing. He is neglected by his people and he is eventually killed. Now, unknown if this was intentional, part of a different plan that was developing or whatever the case may be. But in his dying, he actually managed to use his abilities and cross over into the shadow realm. But clever enough, this was a highly intelligent individual who had always been in communication with a being the rest of them didn't know about. And he learned, figured out and established portals that work as a one way. I have a theory as to why they're one way. And that is so that as he was building them, people didn't know what they were for because you could never cross through them and end up anywhere from this side. So it looked like he was just wasting his time. No reason in destroying the thing. And they can't hear him. They can't hear the thoughts of the individual he's talking to from the Shadow Realm. Okay, so nobody knows. It's just, oh, he's doing weird things out there in Japan. But he's establishing gates so that he can come back.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They didn't know.

Cristina: That's so random.

Jack: Okay, he dies, boom. Can come back effortlessly.

Cristina: Yes. And he was probably communicating with something from the other side the entire time. The entire time.

Jack: And actually once he came through as well. Now back to the Sun Gods. There is an interesting thing happening in which one of the Sun Gods becomes a traitor once Ra becomes too old and passes his torch over to his friend instead of Abraxas, which was another member of the group.

Cristina: He's human though, right?

Jack: Yes. And he. So both of them are. And he goes to the shadow realm with a bunch of their data. Interesting fact. So we have Jesus important to working for the Shadow Realm. We have Abraxas important to working to the shadow realm, and the being we call Jehovah of Darkness working for the Shadow Realm. Presumably some of them, if not all of them, work for the Moon God. Or the team we're calling the Moon Gods. Might be two teams or one team. Unsure. We don't know much about anything that happens exclusively on that side. Only when individuals come over here and disclose that information. Now, the sea people successfully vanish. Jesus dies. He is created using Adam and Eve with the fruits in an artificial insemination of Mary. Mary manages to get out herself. The Sun Gods, one of them leaves with a bunch of their data. The rest of them quit trying to make life and start working for the Sea people with energy and teleportation technology and establish direct teleportation only to the sea people that is no longer related to Mount Kaf. Same thing happens with the Mayan civilization. They go underground into a storage system that has a bunch of data and presumably a portal that allows the sea people to get directly to that underground facility. So there's no need for the Mayans to remain on the surface. So they just fully disappear. And the sun. The Earth Gods fully disappear, and the Sun Gods fully disappear. They're just overnight gone. We have mad data that says an entire civilization suddenly vanished, probably to space, but the Mayans underground and the Egyptians to space. Or the Mayans could also be in some sort of bubble universe. All they need is the ability to store the data. That's all that matters. They can store the data.

Cristina: They're also working on living forever or something biological.

Jack: They were working on creating life from crops.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. They wanted to make highly intelligent life using crops. So which presumably there. There's. With the fruits and the advancements and the fact that the sea people seem to have been around for quite a long time, it seems that immortality has to some degree been established. And the Sun Gods were considered by the. The people who weren't part of those communities, but were like observing the communities already thought these individuals were immortal. Which suggests that some of the information given to them by the sea people already involved the solution to mortality.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We move forward through time. We have individuals who find shreds of the information we have just disclosed. And we go back in time a little. We find that individuals knew what the sea people were doing and were trying to replicate it because they also wanted to get to the shadow realm. They didn't know where the h*** the fruits came from or how the h*** somebody already got into the shadow realm. So a couple of different things happened.

Cristina: Which people are you talking about?

Jack: All the other gods that had nothing to do with sea people. Think of the Greek gods. Think of the Norse individuals elsewhere. They came up with adrenochrome, which is a three part system. There is ambrosia, there is nectar. And if you consume either and distill it through your own system and then get that blood out again, then you have ichor, which is a more pure form. All three of these.

Cristina: Jesus dealing with all three of those things.

Jack: Jesus was de. And imagine how overpowered his is. You can just share this. This blood could also be. Now you could acquire this from any person. You just need to jack up adrenaline. Biology somehow allows this to happen. We discovered that for whatever reason, biology allows for anything that has blood to have this and then turn it into a way into the shadow realm. But you have to die first. Resembling the fruits, there's also a flower that allows for the same exact thing. So we have the fruits from the garden that in theory are suspected that they connect the bridge between the shadow realm and earth realm. We have nectar, ichor and ambrosia, which are all adrenochrome. We have this flower that had the same abilities and we have portals in and out and out of these. The sea people have the flowers. They have the flowers, they have the fruits and they have the portals. The only thing they don't mess with is adrenochrome, which is essentially for people who don't have the other stuff, which is a lot of people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And because of all these civilizations that weren't favored by the sea people, if you follow their lineages throughout time, it gets f*****. And everybody's drinking blood. Everybody's trying to figure out how to get more, how to refine it, how to create clever systems to trick people, to create fear, to have a bunch of their blood packed with adrenaline straight through time. Until today, it's been a f****** normal thing.

Cristina: Yes. In the background of society, God is telling them. Until you, I guess, well, you have.

Jack: It and then you start hearing God and then you're committed to doing it more. Especially because if you stop having it after you've had it, you're gonna lose your mind anyways. It's just.

Cristina: There's a lot of that.

Jack: Yes, it's a lot. Once you start, you can't stop. And once you start, you start hearing crazy voices from the Shadow Realm and you start losing. You get crazy abilities too. You become godlike. You. You. And if you stop taking it, you lose your freaking mind and you become some other thing. When you die, you don't even really die. You just enter the Shadow Realm, become one of those creatures. Whole clusterfuck of things happens when you're dealing with this other s***, which a.

Cristina: Lot of everyone's most of.

Jack: 99% of the other s***. There's the 1% that was connected directly to this overpowered civilization known as the Sea People. And then there's the 99% that couldn't figure it out.

Cristina: The rest of the humans.

Jack: Yeah. Everybody else who wasn't connected to the sea People dealing with it. The 1% who were connected to sea People didn't need it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But that 99%, they all were like, no, we're gonna figure it out. And they just landed on the same conclusion.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, creatures from the Shadow Realm can easily come into the Earth Realm. They figured out their own thing. Something about fear allows an energy connection between the Overworld and the underworld and allows them to manifest over here. That's fascinating. They're not even. Creatures that aren't even native can just manifest over here.

Cristina: They could actually accidentally come over here.

Jack: Yeah, they could. Accidentally. Like it creates almost bubble teleports, Teleporters over there. They just pop up. But then there's fairies that seem to cross effortlessly, which is what. What the original Sea People thing was. And I don't even know if the other civilizations are fully aware that that's the case, because they just. Oh, adrenochrome. We figured it out. But it's like, no, these people could easily get to Shadow Realm. They didn't give a crap about that. They were working with Shadow Realm people. They're trying to get to elf fame, where the magic is. That's what Jesus is, an attempt at that. The Jews also had Joseph, which was another attempt at that.

Cristina: Yes, but do you think they knew that that's what the goal is?

Jack: I don't know if the other civilizations knew. Some of them probably did, but not by. Not the majority.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I think the minority. I think, like maybe 1%. So there's 1% actually working with the sea people, 1% that knows of it, and 98% that have no idea what the case may be they just know the Shadow Realm is real.

Cristina: Yeah, but no one knows about this other.

Jack: Yeah, and if they do, they don't even know they could get over there. It hasn't crossed their mind. They're still figuring out just get into the Shadow Realm and that's just a whole mess. It assures you immortality if you have adrenochrome. But again, see, we figured out immortality. They need adrenal. You have immortality if you have a dream. Chrome. But you're also addicted now forever. And even if you're not addicted, you need to keep taking it. And if you stop taking it, you lose your mind. And it doesn't matter when you die. If you die having lost your mind, you become one thing. And if you die having kept your mind, you cross scene. And like you, it's so, so complicated. Just adrenochrome alone. Complicated.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's a whole. There's adrenochrome and then everything else. That's how complicated this. Now, in doing so and going through this and kind of trying to piece together a lot of this stuff, I wanted to nail down some of the times, what really happened. And what I did was kind of organize it according to time. So we're just gonna quickly go through some of the details here. We can keep breaking down the summary of this, but it's very important that we actually nail down some of these times.

Cristina: What are we talking about?

Jack: When. When these events actually took place, because they actually reveal information. So let us begin by explaining Adam, because a lot of this is going to start tying little things together, kind of sending them home.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Adam using genetics to create an accurate molecular clock and backtracking it all the way to where the genetics suggest. Adam dates to about 156,000 years BC, which can be confirmed with hieroglyphs and like, detailed genetic markers, as well as stories that have survived the test of time. So he can be dated, whatever this technology is, could be dated to 156,000 years before.

Cristina: Christ, I forgot. We also found Adam in Egypt. Right. That's when they started working on Adam.

Jack: Well, yes. Well, a version of him, yes. Okay, now, what is very interesting about this, and I love that this fact turned out so exact, is that primitive humans date back to 150 BC. 150,000 BC. But finding Adam takes us all the way to 156 BC. So 6,000 years before humans happened.

Cristina: Perfect timing.

Jack: Okay, before primitive humans, we get Adam.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Fascinating. Okay, now, beautiful information. Nice. We nailed that down. Let us continue Then if we try to follow Eve backwards, using genetics to create an accurate molecular clock, Eve dates back to 100,000 BC. But not only is this confirmed with hieroglyphs and genetic markers, as well as stories dating back to that period, but this one is actually tighter together because it correlates perfectly with the modern day humans dating back to a hundred thousand years ago as well.

Cristina: Of course. Of course.

Jack: Eve and modern humans simultaneously.

Cristina: If she is what we think she is, this makes sense.

Jack: Perfect sense.

Cristina: Or it is, I guess.

Jack: So Adam is invented and something happens. This actually lends a lot to. To the idea that because we have genetics from apes, it was. It was definitely just some genetics. No, it's genetic alteration technology.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So many people believe aliens came and altered our DNA. No, it's earthlings. Yeah, Earthlings alter our DNA. At least we think it's earthlings.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: So earthlings alter our DNA. Right. So 156,000 years ago, they invented this thing called Adam. Test it, work on it, and then they actually put out the first, you know, batch, which leads to a bunch of people for 6,000 years later. So for 50,000 years, the spread of these primitive humans happen. Now, what's interesting about this is when we look at genetic markers, we're not only related to apes, like every different bipedal individual that existed, but there were several groups of cave people, some more advanced than others. This kind of lends itself to believe that the one that didn't survive was the more primitive made by the program Adam.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that they mated with some of the ones that were made with the program eve because they took those, they took some of those, modified them genetically, and they went forward as better humans, but then could still mate because they're closely related.

Cristina: Okay, what is the importance of humans, though? Do we have the answer to that? I can't remember. No, there's something as well.

Jack: No, I don't know. There's some factor about humans. It's way more important. I think it's at the rate we move, something is different about us, okay?

Cristina: We're not just some type of energy.

Jack: No. I don't know. I don't know. We're something. Something's going on, but. Or maybe we're just science. We could just be a weird science experiment. Maybe this has nothing to do with us being special. They just took monkeys and modified the monkeys with the program Adam. Boom. Now you got cave people. Then they went ahead and modified the program with program eve, and then they got more advanced cave people. Now, in Doing this, in going through this, I realized a couple of things that we've never thought about before. We knew one program came after the other. That's a pretty large gap between them. We're talking 50,000 years.

Cristina: Yes. That's pretty big. Yeah.

Jack: Most humans weren't made by both of them one at a time.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Humans weren't made by both of them. They were made one at a time. Adam existed 56,000 years before Eve and that was used to modify creatures. Then 56,000 years later, Eve is used to modify. That's not them working simultaneously? No, that's the farthest thing from the Morgan. Simultaneously. This is a huge ginormous.

Cristina: That's why we think of eve as Adam 2.0.

Jack: Yes. But that's like the most literal 2.0. Now this is where it gets a little interesting. According to biblical texts and backdating and cross referencing the Holy Bible, the Torah, the Quran, combining of Adam and eve occurred roughly 10,000 B.C. where those programs started being used together. Where? In the garden.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: What Interesting. Right.

Cristina: Okay. When was Eve started from backtracking from.

Jack: Where we are right now.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or B.C. just going back from the point. Year one. From year one. Eve is a hundred thousand years ago.

Cristina: A hundred thousand. Okay.

Jack: Adam is 156,000 years ago.

Cristina: And both of them in the garden 10,000 years ago.

Jack: 10,000 recent.

Cristina: Okay, so they were both active for a long time. Yeah.

Jack: Now this is confirmed as well, using hieroglyphs and actual texts that mention Adam and Eve together for the first time before Adam was mentioned alone, or Eve was mentioned alone, never together. What happened, but following 10,000 years ago.

Cristina: They'Re mentioned together, but they're for sure made by the same people.

Jack: There's no way to know.

Cristina: There's no way to know. Okay.

Jack: And by the way, and by the way, this little bit of detail of them together is mentioned across half of all the civilizations that exist that existed back then, they just all knew the advanced ones. They just all knew Adam and Eve together. That's just a given.

Cristina: It's crazy that it took so long.

Jack: Quite some time. Now this also correlates perfectly with the sudden appearance of miracles and magic and scientific advancements and demons and gateways.

Cristina: Starting with Adam and Eve in the.

Jack: Garden together in the garden.

Cristina: Okay. Interesting.

Jack: All these other things kind of happen immediately following this.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: They're together right off the bat. But also 10,000 years after that point, we get Jesus. Okay. Time scales collapsing quickly. They're shrinking shorter times. Shorter times.

Cristina: But humans popped up with Eve Yes.

Jack: Modern day humans popped up with Eve. Now implications of this, if Adam is roughly 140,000 years older than the time Adam and Eve are together and the mention of Adam with Eve suddenly correlates with Jehovah venturing into the forest of shadows to acquire the fruit which happened 10,000 years BC then we can safely assume the creation of the lab named the Garden of Eden. The unification of Adam and Eve and the capturing of the three fruits are all one event. We have established with information that's linking them together is no longer a theory of ours. We have them all dating all these events. The garden coming into exist, Adam and Eve coming together and the three fruits being captured all happened 10,000 years ago.

Cristina: Humans. It's the birth of a lot of new.

Jack: A lot of new science.

Cristina: Science. Yes, yes, Yep.

Jack: The mention of Adam 150,000 years ago we can call unfinished Adam which is the version used by Lilith.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: She was not in the garden yet. The garden did not exist yet. Lilith used Adam and it wasn't ready. Unfinished Adam, Eve or finished Adam led to current day humans a hundred thousand years ago. And that's also why we call Eve Atom 2.0. It's either a finished atom or a better improved atom. Now it works really well if we look at the time jumps that we're experiencing. L2 million years ago travels and sees the fruit for the first time. The fruit of life is probably the one he takes when he ventures into the forest with Sizen. So 1,000,900, years later Adam is created from that. He was working for a really really, really long time on it. A million 900 years later he creates Adam.

Cristina: So now he can on something he found in the shadow realm.

Jack: Okay, so now he makes Adam and he can make, he can modify life with it. Now somebody disappears and acquires the fruit of Knowledge. That gets applied to Eve. 100,000 years now we have modern day humans intelligence. He acquired the Fruit of Knowledge. If Adam used the Fruit of Life and Eve used the Fruit of Knowledge, two modifications that are entirely different were applied to the current now standing the now standing humans, what we consider humans now use the Fruit of Knowledge and the Fruit of Life. Adam was built using the Fruit of Life, Eve was built using the Fruit of Knowledge. We've been modified by both. We get two. The garden after Jehovah ventured in and got not just the Fruit of Life and not just the Fruit of Knowledge, but he also retrieved the third fruit.

Cristina: The fruit of Flesh, which we're not sure if they made Jesus with that.

Jack: I Think that is the point.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think everything created following that point is why the development of crazy sciences. People who can perform miracles, powers and all these other things. Demons crossing over. I think that's the case. And not just. Not just we know anybody connected to the sea people had just humans. Also, there's the shadow around people who naturally have abilities. But humans connected to the sea people had abilities. All these people are following this 10,000 year mark. They start sharing technology. And this is where these other civilizations now start to kind of explode too.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Where the Greeks start to explode 9,000 years ago. Where the Norse start to explode 8,000 years ago. Where the Egyptians start to explode with the Mayan simultaneously 7,000 years ago. This is all following that one event. And these people are called what? Gods.

Cristina: Of course.

Jack: Of course. Of course. Suddenly correlating that they added the fruit of flesh and maybe created concoctions and cocktails that they can also give these people, to give them abilities, enhance their knowledge. We can't modify you the way we can to these people. But also we've discovered a way to kill mortality. Now you can live forever. You can have more intellect. You can have more abilities. We are comparable to the creatures in the Shadow Realm. With our advancements, maybe even better. Well, we're better. We're just gonna make you equal. Yes, we're gonna make you equal to the baddest s*** over there. Yeah, that's kind of lining up, right? That explains a lot. Now that also explains why there were groups of people who. We're descendants from who normal people are descendants from that don't have abilities. Especially after all these juicy goodies stopped being shared when they were like, no, there's a problem. We got to stop.

Cristina: You got to hide.

Jack: We got to hide. No more sharing. We've achieved some peak.

Cristina: And now we can safely hid themselves. But they hid the unique people they made.

Jack: Yes. And just disappears. Everything disappears. Suddenly it's just people without abilities. Some slipped through the cracks. But we got a rebuild using only things left behind. Using only shreds of information. Hidden information. Most of which they tried to totally suppress. They created the Knights Templar to fully suppress this information. To make it disappear. To modify the history of Jesus. To hide their existence entirely. Erase any proof of anything.

Cristina: Yep. That's crazy.

Jack: But we have correlating information that tells us they solved immortality and helped these people that are considered the gods be what they were. This is all thanks to the sea people and their advancements and. And the three fruits that technology, teleportation and energy Storage and data storage for things like this, that kind of data that needed to be stored. And this all began with El meeting Susan, finding the forest, then creating Adam, then eventually going again, getting the fruit of knowledge, creating Eve. Then, way in the future, Jehovah goes and gets the fruit of knowledge, the fruit of flesh and the fruit of life mixed with Adam and Eve now is able to create cocktails, at least until they pump out a being born of this Jesus. But it was problematic right off the bat. It was 10,000 years later and still too soon. Keep in mind the leaps that El used, 1.9 million years, and then he still waited 6,000 more years after it was made. That's testing. That's science. That's consistent research. Consistent research and experimentation before implementation. Yes, Jehovah rushed. It was 10,000 years between the point that he got the three fruits, Adam and Eve, and established the garden. But also, I don't think Oros had sent anybody out at the time of L, 1.9 million years ago. L did not have a Naga with him.

Cristina: Is that important?

Jack: I think that's what allowed, like, Jehovah to move so much faster. It's what allowed the Egyptians and the Mayans to move so much faster before they even came across the Sea People.

Cristina: Oh, because they had.

Jack: They had beings helping them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That were exceptional.

Cristina: That's. He did it.

Jack: Probably not.

Cristina: Okay. And he's a sea person, too.

Jack: L?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: L is the great grandfather of Jehovah.

Cristina: Okay. The ancestor of Sea People, I guess.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The ancestor of Sea People. Probably before the Sea People were established. Because the Sea People. Then again, it's already been 500,000 years. By the time we get L meeting season, it's already been a hundred thousand years. I mean, 500,000 years.

Cristina: Or are the Sea People humans or are they not?

Jack: You've asked this many times. I don't know. We don't know if any of these people are.

Cristina: They're a combination of it, because we know the Sea People. I mean, the Egyptians are hanging out with Shadow People. So would the Sea People also be a combination of things we don't even know of?

Jack: Well, the sea, the Egyptians hanging out with Shadow People means nothing. They can't reproduce with them. There's no mixing going on. They're a team, a collective of them. But they can't reproduce with something that isn't biological. How's that gonna work? Like, Ixchel is married to Izamna, but they don't have children because how the f***. Okay, One of them Is like a ghost or something.

Cristina: They don't have children. I don't know the story. Like if they ended up adopting or something. No, no.

Jack: Now let us think real quick. They could be human. I think they're just a different thing that developed here on Earth. But we also know there's crap in space like that weird Chupacabra thing that showed up looking for like sensing fear and blood or whatever or called that we call the Chupacabra, but it's just one of like three different things we've called the Chupacabra which just showed up looking for the same things Chupacabra looking for. Now let's focus on Mars real quick because Mars has a couple of interesting details that might or might not be related. There is evidence that suggests that thermal nuclear explosions occurred on the surface of Mars. This is nuclear debris and isotopes that are on the surface of Mars. Now the sun has a s*** ton of radiation and Mars doesn't have an atmosphere. So it's reasonable that the radiation from the sun slams effortlessly without restriction onto the surface of Mars. But these are isotopes similar to what you'd find in a man made explosive that the sun does not have.

Cristina: Okay, interesting.

Jack: So it goes as follows. They seem to be about 500 million years in age. That's significantly older than 2.5 million years.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: So now, and keep in mind, it is different from a solar nuclear radioactive material. It's isotope residual, similar to man made H bomb explosives. Particularly. Now, if there was a nuclear war that took place on Mars, the events would go as follows. A cloud. If it's mad. If MAD took place, place, Mutually assured destruction. And this was a bunch of people at war and they blew themselves to s***. Then we have a situation in which a cloud covered the Earth. Not the Earth, covered Mars, surrounded Mars entirely. And that debris blocked out the Sun's heat coming in. So they had an atmosphere back then. Then they create nuclear war. Debris and fallout block the Sun. Heat no longer comes down. This leads the planet to freeze over. But it's mutually assured destruction. This happened all over the surface of the planet. It's not patched, it's wholly covered. It's a shell of blockage of the sun. No external heat landing. It gets so cold even the core of the planet freezes. If the core of the planet freezes and no longer has rotation, the magnetic field ceases because the magnetic field is caused by the core. If the magnetic field ceases, that's what holds the atmosphere in place. The atmosphere fades into Space. And once the particles and residue from the fallout fall back to the surface, the sun's radiation now can pierce without a magnetic field in the way. Now you have sun's radiation slamming into whatever is left over after the nuclear war for 5 million years. We have things that are 14,000 years old and we only know they exist because somebody mentioned it. And we can kind of score to see a fossilized outline of it. Think about that. 14,000 years old and we can barely see a trace of it. 500 million years without an atmosphere. Nothing but solar radiation crumbling everything that exists into dust. Would suggest that if this is truly the case, there might have been an entirely developed Earth like planet.

Cristina: We would never know.

Jack: We would never know.

Cristina: There's nothing that exists there anymore.

Jack: There's nothing that exists there. We can't even find crap that's 14,000 years old. Properly we rely on things being carved in stone. Keep in mind our atmosphere protects the sun from s******* on everything. People carved things. Things are hidden from light. We find them in caves. They built structures. We find them in structures. We have these things to protect that protected history. Anything that's exposed to nature 14,000 years, we just don't see it anymore. And we have a magnetic field. This s*** did not have a magnetic field. It completely destroyed that too. And then you got the sun slamming into everything for 500 million years. There would be no proof of anything. It would just look like dust no matter what was standing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there is evidence that suggests that Mars was not just lush but that they at least had the current technology we have today. Us normal non sea people. They were at least as advanced as we were 500 million years ago.

Cristina: How do we know that?

Jack: Because there's man made nuclear residue mixed in.

Cristina: Okay. So if they're able to do that, they have to.

Jack: They had to be as advanced as we are. So that was at least an intelligent planet. The issue is, did MAB create everything first? There is that Earth realm. Is it easier to get from there to these other places? Because if that's where development began, why so much happening on Earth? Unless that's what makes us interesting. Whatever was on Mars was like the other stuff. But whatever happened on Earth where they ran away to very different the creatures. There are some other we. The sea people advance very slowly.

Cristina: Oh, we don't know if they could have done that over there. It just. It was destroyed before they were able to do that over there. They did. They had more time here.

Jack: No, they had way more time over there. They did 500 million years. It's only been 2.5 million years, just since the sea people, stools.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They weren't even advanced. It was just rock tools, meaning 497.5 million years difference took place over there before.

Cristina: Oh, wow. Okay.

Jack: They were over there 497.5 million years before we find tools on Earth from primitive creatures.

Cristina: Well, when they got here, they had to start from scratch.

Jack: I'm thinking. I'm thinking, yes. I'm thinking it's an escape shuttle. It gets here and we witness there, some kind of Horizon thing happens. You know, they get here, they lost all of their planet. But whatever. This planet has been established as maybe colonies or whatever. And I don't know. I don't know. Then 2.5 million years ago, we get tools. It's still primitive, but they're. So they become it. I don't know. There's some problem. There's some problem with this. Because if they're so advanced over there, that's different than whatever's happening on Earth because we got tools. They would have just come with technology, bro. They had to get here with technology. How are you gonna cross this expanse.

Cristina: Of space if it is like Horizon? Maybe they didn't because, like, it was children. So they couldn't. Like, the children wouldn't know how to use the technology.

Jack: I mean, it's not literally horizon. I'm 100% sure adults piloted ships.

Cristina: Like, what if they couldn't?

Jack: Why, that's just. Again, we're adding things we don't know. We do know that there were tools 2.5 million years ago. And we do know that it seems nuclear war happened 500 million years ago over there. The information we have for fact, an intelligent civilization would take some of its technology wherever it's going just for the sake of convenience and advancement. And they're not just going to send a wave of children. Somebody's going to be a coward and be like, I'm going to protect them. I'm going with them. Even in Horizon, that happened.

Cristina: Well, I think it just took forever for them to understand their own writing, their own.

Jack: That doesn't make any sense. Why would that be logical? I piloted an entire ship over to that planet, but I don't know how to use anything. Like, it doesn't check out. There's a huge gap missing there between whatever the h*** happened against. Unless it's absolutely unrelated. It could be absolutely unrelated.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: And this is just another instance of life. Of life. Maybe life does happen consistently, but, like, what are the Odds are gonna happen simultaneously. And what are the odds that they'll develop even close to each other?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Which would then suggest that, yes, the sea people are just earthlings that began because based on the tools, they began 2.5 million years ago. And about 2 million years ago, they were already quite advanced. That's 500,000 years of advancement. That's 400,000 years more than we had. Of course, we're assuming they move slower than we do on average, which is why they were just average figuring things out. Yeah, around 2 million years ago. And it still took 1.9 million years before they were technologically advanced enough to establish Adam. So there's huge, huge gap of trial and error and technologic advancement, but faster and faster with the fruits, with the technology. And then we get to humans, modern day humans, hundred thousand years we've gone from where the sea people were 2.5 million years ago to nuclear power. It's only been a hundred and two thousand years.

Cristina: Okay, that's crazy.

Jack: It took them 2.5 million years. It has only taken us 102,000 years. So whatever they did. Fire. Yes, fire. And that's without counting that 10,000 year. Well, 12,000, because you got to count the 2,000 after B.C. there's 2,000, 12,000 years, right, that they haven't done anything to us. Those are just powers and special creatures that disappear. Roughly. I guess it's still 10,000 years because they begin about 10,000 BC and end around year one, where they just disappear. So the rest of us haven't actually been influenced by the combination of Adam and Eve, the fruits, any of that for the garden. Those were just elites. Elites we literally call gods. This is some whole other s***. We're not even influenced by that. They did that to themselves and to the homies and made themselves colossally overpowered. We see shreds here and there and we come up with things here and there as we dig and find traces that they couldn't get rid of.

Cristina: But aren't they made our ancestors.

Jack: They made our ancestors 100 BC, 100,000 BC using Eve. We're the children. We're the descendants of Eve, not Adam.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And not Adam and Eve. It looks like current day humanity is evolution to just Eve.

Cristina: And that probably Jesus is the only Adam and Eve thing. Maybe, I don't know.

Jack: Yes, Jesus is probably the only Adam and Eve. And a cocktail using the fruits is what led to the gods, what we call, quote, the gods unquote, which are just really intelligent immortal scientists. But they were just, you Know Jehovah acquired the fruits. He was a sea person, did a lot of experiments, technologies, created drinks, created things. He had the flower, created drinks, created things, had portals to access all the homies share it with you guys. Look, you guys aren't gonna die anymore. You guys can live forever. We can work on everything. We're gonna work on forever. We're gonna help each other, we to advance. We're going to be magnificent. This is why we see Raw rule Egypt for thousands of years. This is why we see it Zamna rule Maya for thousands of years. And it's because they're immortal. They're immortal and thanks to the sea people. This is why the sea people are a small group of people. Not a country size, a small group of people, city size. But the same people always somehow. Jehovah. Always the same Jehovah. Just always the same Jehovah. Because they figured things out.

Cristina: Anything. Mars is. I guess Mars isn't related.

Jack: I think it's unrelated. But then if it's unrelated, I guess it would make sense. And yes. Mabs is God God. Mab is God God. She made like she's the God God. She made f****** everything and s*** just happened at random there.

Cristina: Yeah, that's it.

Jack: She's God God. And somehow some f******. How some dude named L and his descendants managed to catch up to that b****. D***, bruh. Or at least make her paranoid.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I don't think they caught up.

Cristina: No, I don't think so.

Jack: But then again, it's also been 2,000 years since we've gotten a single peep out of any of this s***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because following the point that they all disappear, we just have current day people. Current day humans minus the gods. No gods. All the gods gone.

Cristina: Just one special human.

Jack: Just one special. Well, he vanished too.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: So yeah. Just current day people figuring out the tricks with data we find. Running our own experiment. Experiments getting places. Some people found some of the sources. Some people found pieces of fruit. Some people found this. Some people found that. A lot of people found out about adrenochrome. Everybody's kind of figuring their way out to the same spots.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That the sea people helped their homies get to. Then we have people who are immortal. We have people who have abilities. We have people who can cross the bridge to the other side. And we've only taken 2,000 years to do what they took.

Cristina: Our version is pretty corrupted.

Jack: Our version is dark as f***. It's pretty diabolical.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we need each other to do it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But we also don't have what they have. They hid it.

Cristina: Yes, because they're scientists.

Jack: Now, if we can find. The problem is you get to the other side and you go kind of mad. And it's hard to direct yourself through there. But if we can get somebody on this end to get to the Shadow Realm without dying, find the fruits, yes. We will be way ahead. The problem is we don't know where to begin. We don't know how to do that. How do you create. What the h*** is the Shadow Realm? How do we make a bridge to the Shadow Realm? The Norse got the closest. They figured out that if you make mass sacrifices in an area and if.

Cristina: You want to find that the garden, that's what's protected by guards, or just the Shadow Realm itself is protected by the Shadow Realm.

Jack: Well, the garden is a lab that belongs to the sea people. The Shadow Realm, the garden.

Cristina: No, not the garden. The secret garden or secret forest. That's what I mean.

Jack: The Forest of Shadows is inside the Shadow Realm?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's where we need to get to.

Cristina: Is that protected by guards?

Jack: The gate to that was. That's what Susan put a gatekeeper and a record keeper to keep track of anybody who came through and stop anybody who's gonna want them. Okay, but like, where the f*** was that anyways? Why haven't we found that this entire time? 2,000 years. There's way more people now than there were before. Why haven't we come across that? The sea people probably made that disappear too.

Cristina: Definitely. Yes.

Jack: Okay, so we need a way. And then the Norse again. This is what's interesting. Between the collective of humans, we have enough pieces that if we work together, we can get to where the sea people were. They did it alone, a lot of it. And then added some pieces with some other civilizations. But we have enough pieces. The Norse within the last 2000 years figured out that if they sacrifice people in the same area, drink the blood and make sure they're horrified when it happens, they can at least bridge a direct line of communication clear to the other side. And they believed that with enough sacrifices, they can rip a hole. This sounds like a philosopher's stone. Almost. Get a s*** ton of people together, mass genocide. But then it brings up an interesting question. Because we know that 911 was staged for the blood and the fear. The elites do it where they trying to build a gate. That's a lot of sudden death.

Cristina: I don't know. Because the gates they make, I feel like, might be more like the gates Jesus was making before he was.

Jack: That's a one way gate.

Cristina: Exactly. So it doesn't even matter. You think we can't use these gates?

Jack: Well, the gates that Jesus made weren't. They didn't require death, they were just gates. He figured something out.

Cristina: Yeah, but I feel like that's what they're also making.

Jack: That's what's happening.

Cristina: Well, no, that's what the fear stories of them going. We always hear like that's where their God is coming from and talking to them. Or the Shupacabra.

Jack: Or would we hear of somebody disappearing forever into the Shadow Realm?

Cristina: Well, we don't have stories of them.

Jack: How would we have stories of them?

Cristina: Because there's a group of people. They will see one person.

Jack: Oh, fair enough.

Cristina: Like these group of people and they're only talking about the thing that's coming out of it. There's never like we or one of us.

Jack: One of the main stories that happens, and I'm sure you've seen this one too, is when the towers were collapsing. Well, first when the smoke was happening, the first planes hit and people were freaking out, they saw a face form. You've seen that, right?

Cristina: Yeah, that's just something coming through the Shadow Realm. Creature.

Jack: Yeah, Shadow Realm creature coming through at the pinnacle of where people are the most scared. Where the fire is, where the planes hit. And they haven't died yet. They're horrified. And something is coming through actively at that moment. And we're seeing it on video footage of it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But then here's another interesting one because there's a similar story that took place at a greater tragedy. And it was huge during World War II. There were stories, so many f****** stories of creatures wandering the battlefields at night. Wetchudge. When dingo is vampire as f*** any. Anything you could think of which checks out one way from that side.

Cristina: Exactly. I don't think we figured out how to.

Jack: How to get over there without dying. We can drink blood and get over there, but that's not the same as us getting over there. That's the f****** problem. Getting mortality. But we're corrupted the whole way.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: How do we do it?

Cristina: I don't know. We'll never figure that out. Or we never could.

Jack: I mean, we can, but it's literally been figured out.

Cristina: It's possible from something that's hiding.

Jack: Yeah. So we don't need them. They figured it out without help.

Cristina: They figured out. Well, the original guy had a guy from the Shadow Realm help him out.

Jack: We don't know that. We know that the Mayans receive two different portals One from the sea people and one from some dude from the Shadow realm.

Cristina: Sounds like help, right?

Jack: Where did the sea people get theirs if they don't have anybody from the Shadow realm?

Cristina: They have an ancestor who was at the Shadow Realm.

Jack: You're f****** right. You're totally right. Second. Second thing that I'm going to put out casually. We've not thought and we'll close it up here because we're like running. Yes. L like their ancestor. Instant. They've always been connected to the Shadow Realm since their beginning development. But what's weird about this, and we've never thought about this, but we even have confirmation in biblical text and hieroglyphs that we never get thought about and we've said her name so many times is Lilith. Oh, dude, Lilith is from the Shadow Realm, isn't she?

Cristina: I. I'm not.

Jack: She's been described many times as what? Say the word.

Cristina: I don't what the word.

Jack: Demon.

Cristina: A demon? Oh, yes, yes, yes. Her. Her children are what we call. What are those specific demons? The. The. The ghosts that want to have sex with you. That's what she created with Adam.

Jack: Succubus.

Cristina: Succubus? Yes, those things. Those are Shadow Realm creatures.

Jack: Well, she didn't make succubus. But she made something like Succubus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: She might have been a Succubus.

Cristina: Yeah, she came from the Shadow Realm. She definitely did. She just made more of herself.

Jack: Well, no, she made something similar to herself. Not even similar. They just said he made things, the succubus made things. So we're assuming, oh, they're Succubus themselves. But no, they can't be. That doesn't make any sense. There's some primitive human. They're just cave people.

Cristina: They're just cave people, but more Shadow Realm Y. Like, I guess.

Jack: No, it was just Earth science. And a Shadow Realm person activated the thing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's all. They weren't Shadow Realm creatures.

Cristina: They don't have her DNA though.

Jack: No, there's no DNA of hers in anything. Oh, how would they have her DNA? She has no DNA. If she's from the Shadow Realm, what's.

Cristina: The benefit of using the machines? Well, she just wants it, I guess, because some beings like to be gods doing s***.

Jack: Yeah, but the point here being made is that she was definitely from the Shadow Room. It's been in front of our face the whole time El was working with Sizen. Two million years ago.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: They're friends. Even if he wasn't us. Even if l wasn't A scientist. There's some dude he was already friends with some other dude. Some other dude that would later join a group of scientists that are working with the descendant of his friend. And then Lilith, definitely a Shadow Arm creature. Which tells us every science group had a Naga, an Earth Realmer and a Shadow Realmer.

Cristina: Oh, except for the original. What is he? I guess the ancestor of the.

Jack: That wasn't a scientist.

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: He was just a dude. There's some dude and some other Shadow Realm. Yeah, yeah. It was just some two friends who happened to be from different realms. I don't think either one was really scientific. There was just a leader. I rule everything. And. Okay, this guy. Some two dudes. Chilling. But now the descendants of L, the people they work with, who. Then Susan, the friend of El, joins. Yeah, yeah, it sort of checks out. So every group has a Naga, a Shadow Realmer and an Earth Realmr. And somehow that's the combination that leads to rapid advancement. Meanwhile, we've only taken 2,000 years to.

Cristina: Get pretty close without any of that.

Jack: Without any of them.

Cristina: Oh, except for maybe the Shadow Realm stuff.

Jack: Well, we don't need help from the Shadow Realm. No, we just get immortality from it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even if it's not the right immortality and we're all kind of f*****. Ultimately, it's still an immortality that people are fighting with, I guess. I guess they're like, okay, I'm gonna still live forever. Whatever.

Cristina: Whatever.

Jack: Anyways, yeah, that's. That's where we are right now. It's trying to tie all these loose wires. Nuts.

Cristina: It's too much information.

Jack: Yeah, it's. It's getting hard to keep track of. There's a lot going on. Somebody's gonna have to like, make a Wikipedia go through these episodes and like, put it so I can read what we have found ourselves, you know, because. D***, bruh. Or make a fan wiki and just lay out what we know so far. Somebody do this, please. I'm not gonna do it too much. Yeah, but somebody do it. So, yeah, it's possible that what happened on Mars has nothing to do with anything because of the primitive tools that exist on Earth. It might have just been two different instances. Anyways, please contact us, guys. Give us information. Tell us you're gonna make a fan wiki and elaborate on what we have found. All of the above. Above.

Cristina: Or connect Mars to any of this somehow.

Jack: Yes, please do that. You can reach us on all the socials, TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, and X@justconvo pod.

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Jack: Yes. And tell anybody and everybody you've ever met about what's happening here, what we're trying to conclude, where we're moving with it, the facts. All researchable. This is all data you could find. Find. It's not easy, I will tell you that much, but it is all data you can access. Look up any and everything I say. Don't take our words for it. It is all out there. It is all researchable.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening by it. Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

September 02, 2023

Rambling 241: The Forest of Shadows

September 02, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

What connects us to the Shadow Realm so deeply? Why do the Mayans continue to reveal deeper and deeper roots associated with the Egyptians? And how do the Sea People have such massive advancements on even the most technological of civilizations? Trying to find any information on the Shadow Realm after consistent data shows ancient research teams contained Jinn and other Shadow Realm creatures as members, the duo are taken far back in time into the past of the Persians, back when they were still known as the Sumerians. What pops up in this research answers questions the duo didn’t even know they had, but leave new standing questions behind.

Sumerians
The Persians
Shamash
Judge for the Jinn
Ganzir
Cizin
Ix Chel the Prodigy
Inanna and the Fruit of Knowledge
El
The Forest of Shadows
The Bridge of Realms

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Ramblin Podcast. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is a show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. That's my best impression of Jerry Seinfeld. That was the most impressive and baffling. Not even impressive. Baffling ideas. What's the deal with airline food? That's what he sounds like to me. What's the deal? What's the deal with airline food?

Cristina: I don't think it sounds like him, but that's definitely something he would say.

Jack: Bare minimum. It's his cadence, even if it's not like his voice. Right. He has like that weird drag. Oh, my God, he has that thing going on. Even if I don't sound like him, his cadence is there is the substance of what makes up his kodansi. Yes, his kodansai. So listen to me, bruh.

Cristina: I'm listening.

Jack: We've been deep diving into s***. Look, a couple of episodes ago, we stumbled upon the Sun Gods. And that was some crazy nonsense about people making a scientific group together with people from the Shadow Realm and some Naga and some. Some Egyptians. And it was weird.

Cristina: It was very weird. Yeah.

Jack: And we were like, wow, people working with the Shadow Realm. But we. We got there by chasing the Naga through Oros. And then I was like, how do I do. I know the Mayans are connected somehow because they always usually show up. It seems the Mayans and the Egyptians are the two most connected groups among all the people, and they're across the world from each other. And so I was like, we gotta look and follow this path right back to the Mayans next time. Which we did. And what did we stumble upon?

Cristina: The Moon Gods. I don't remember.

Jack: No, that's from the Shadow Realm. That's all right. That's what we're calling the people in the Shadow Room for the Universe. I don't remember the Earth Gods. Yeah. Which are essentially a bunch of botanists trying to make life out of plants and stuff, which was interesting and weird, but it was consistent. There was a bunch of Earth Realm people, a bunch of Shadow Realm people, and Naga again. Working together. Working together. And then one really weird part about that was a confusing tidbit at the very end where there's just some stuff that says, oh, yeah, oh yeah, there's.

Cristina: Research in the Shadow Realm.

Jack: Yeah, there's research, not research in the Shadow Room. We don't know that for a fact. They brought. Somebody gave them. Yeah, I guess there's research in the shadow room. It's portal research.

Cristina: The portal research came from the shadow realm. Yeah, that's what that was. Yes.

Jack: But then alternatively, the sea people made a portal for the Mayans, and that was weird.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Anyways, I know a lot of the time it seems like it's very disconnected because I have the imagery and I never bring it in because I just pull out the data and the information, extract that, and kind of keep moving forward from that point. But I. I felt it was necessary maybe for you to look at the actual imagery that connects a lot of this stuff. So I just put them all together because I found the location that was all putting it. And it's like this is how intensely similar these two cultures are looking at the same things, the same visuals, the same structures. And they claim that they were given all the specs by the sea people. So their civilizations were developed by the blueprints that the sea people provided. Here's the entrance of some temples.

Cristina: Is the choice of the entrance importance in some way?

Jack: No, it's just architecture provided by the sea people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: From one all the way in Mexico and the other one in Egypt. Very far apart. More structural similarities. Structure similar. It's gonna get way weirder.

Cristina: What is this?

Jack: Here you got this little T shape that matters and then the little curvy uppy thingy. And here you got the T shape with a little curvy uppy thingy. The difference is the Mayans had a lot of sculptures, as opposed to the Egyptians that had a lot of hieroglyphs.

Cristina: What does that mean? What could you guess about what the image is, or.

Jack: Well, over time, we have enough references that we can pull stories out of them. And when you compare notes, a lot of it is identical. But these are mainly, we're talking architecture and art, how identical they are. Because if I showed you text, they look very different. There's no point. What they're saying is the same, but then we gotta deep dive into that. So it's irrelevant to show you images of those unless you could read them both in their vein of tongues. But this is just consistently like, this is a weird one. The two lions facing away from each other. Now, we know lions aren't even for the Egyptians or the Mayans. It's what the sea people worship.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Anywhere the sea people are, we see these very detailed sculptures of lions. So here are two lions in some cases, connected by this kind of cross symbol.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The circle and then you have the lions again connected, but there's no cross symbol.

Cristina: There's no cross on, but they're still.

Jack: Connected and facing away from each other more or less the same way with a kind of barrier division in the middle. It's going to get weirder and weirder. It's exactly the same image as before.

Cristina: That's Egyptian. And that's what weird.

Jack: Right?

Cristina: Okay, that was. That's weird. His face is. Do you know who?

Jack: Well, it reminds me of Buddha. But interesting enough, the Mayan version of this is scary. Well, it's ancient. It looks significantly more ancient. And what's interesting about it is, are they. Who are they depicting? If they are both showing us an individual that looks the same. Is this what the sea people look like?

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: You see that? I found that interesting. This is the most vivid version of like a human face that they both have going on. It has the features of human face. Is that what the sea people look like in our current day cultures that came from the Persians and that came from the Mayans. Based on the sea people is like those red dots. The, you know, the tribal look. Was it adopted because they were following these people who were like gods to them.

Cristina: What are we looking at there? What's that?

Jack: We're looking at the dot on the forehead of a face. The dot on the forehead of a face. Just weird that this was a consistency through both of them. Dot on the forehead, the dot on the forehead. This got weird because I've seen both of these and I never connected. The fact that they're. It's a take on the same thing. It is.

Cristina: I have no idea what the first one is. I've never seen the Mexican.

Jack: It's like a human animal type of thing.

Cristina: Mm. Is it as big?

Jack: I don't. I have no idea what the scale is. I know the Sphinx is pretty large, but this is another real particular interesting kind of too exact thing going on.

Cristina: What exactly.

Jack: We got what's essentially a snake with two hands that the snake is laying on and they're kind of creating the same shape.

Cristina: Oh, those are the snake.

Jack: It's the coiled body of something. And it's weird that the structure is exactly the same. One Egyptian and the other Mayan. What weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Such identical stuff going on. Either they saw symbols or something very weird. Again, here we got the guy trapped in the thing with the two people. What's happening? Portal.

Cristina: That looks. Yes, portal.

Jack: Are they sending somebody somewhere?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What's happened?

Cristina: That's. So that's a portal. Snow, I don't know, but it's so similar. Whoa. What is happening there?

Jack: What ritual is taking place here? We have a man standing over another person, another person crowning them or about to bash them in the head or something. And the hat the guy has is the same. Why? Why is that the case here? That's the weirdest part. You just got people dress identical across the Earth from each other.

Cristina: That is weird.

Jack: Very odd. Very strange. These are less related. It's just interesting how they structured these the same when they don't normally write this way. The Egyptians do, but the Mayans don't. Yet the Mayan still had laid out in a similar fashion these little cube structure things, the same way that the Egyptians would normally lay out their hieroglyphs. Also, the eye of Ra is that eyeball there, which is the snake, the serpent.

Cristina: Oh, that's the serpent's eye.

Jack: Yeah. Is the eye of rock. What the f*** is happening here? How is this hallway identical?

Cristina: I don't know. That doesn't make sense.

Jack: None of this makes sense. All of these things, the structure of their ancients were identical. The layout to the pyramids were identical. Here we have even more. This is. What's. This is the most interesting one. This is actually the last slide here, the seven points.

Cristina: What do you mean? Oh, okay. There's seven dots.

Jack: There's seven dots. These three creatures in India, Russia and Mexico have the seven heads happening.

Cristina: Yeah. Like seven snakeheads or something.

Jack: Yeah. But then you go into the structural version of them and you have again, India, that happens to have the three dots. Egypt has the three dots. Dots. And the Iranians and the Iraqis, basically the other Persians also had those dots.

Cristina: Okay. And which was the first three?

Jack: It was India, Russia and Mexico. So we have India connecting in two different points, having both variants, which then connects to Mexico. So we have the Middle east down here and we have the South America and then the Northeast.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Just everybody having the same visuals. Interesting enough. I've never seen the mention of Russia in any of this. And this is quite fascinating because. Why?

Cristina: You gotta look through their ancient history.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like, gotta go way back.

Jack: It's. It's interesting, right?

Cristina: It's the weirdest thing, huh? But I wonder, what's the difference? Because why wouldn't they all choose the body version, like in. I guess.

Jack: No, it's just different representations. They wouldn't have the same art. But they're depicting the same things in their individual art. That's what's fascinating here.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, you haven't come across anything that. That could be representing?

Jack: No, I have no idea what the seven headed whatever or the seven points are, but they seem to be represented across both.

Cristina: Unless this is just another version of. I forgot what those creatures are called.

Jack: The Jinn. You think these are Jinn?

Cristina: No, the snake people.

Jack: Oh crap. I mean we do have one of them. It's literally a Medusa esque kind of thing going on.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So these could definitely be the Naga.

Cristina: No. Yeah, we know they come in different forms and stuff. They don't look the same from the ones we've seen in the past.

Jack: So what I do find the most interesting. Really? Really. Is this center shadow looking version from Russia that gives me shadow creature vibes.

Cristina: So it might not be a Naga.

Jack: Well, no. The other two give me Naga feels. For real?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then down here when we look at just the dots themselves, it's very different. It doesn't give me the vibe of either this representative of something that makes.

Cristina: Me feel like it's even more shadow people related.

Jack: The abstract, obscure nature of it.

Cristina: Right. Yeah.

Jack: The hidden we must. Unless this is somehow representing something from the sea. People who are even more hidden than the things in the shadow realm.

Cristina: Or we do have that one random story of the snake who would wasn't happy where he was at so he popped up somewhere else and became the God. Yeah. Like this could be just one of those stories. One of those creatures deciding no, because.

Jack: These are inside of other civilizations that were respected. Like Egypt had its leader who was not.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So it doesn't apply that logic doesn't hold.

Cristina: That's true now.

Jack: Interesting. Right? I know I don't normally show you the imagery that I stumble upon while.

Cristina: Doing this research, but it is interesting.

Jack: But it's interesting and it's there. There's a lot of connection. I like that. I found this sort of like a lot connected all in one shot so I don't have to like fish them individually. So I was trying to find out because we've gotten mentions of shadow people hanging out with the minds and shadow people hanging out with the Egyptians. And so we know that people came from the shadow realm and we had people who weren't from the shadow realm abandon earthrealm and head to the shadow Realm. Abraxas particularly. So I went on a deep dive to find out whatever I could. And it took me way further back than I thought it would. But where we've been before, somehow it seems like the shadow realm had significantly more connections to us the further back we go.

Cristina: What do you mean, like, the further.

Jack: Back we go in time, the more access we casually had. The more forward in time we go, the more sealed up it seems to get.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: As opposed to us starting to build away there now we shut it in a rediscovering away it seems to be. So following this trail, I went back to the Persians. Weirdly enough, it took me.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The Persians are kind of where it all began. The sea people who exist in the neck of the Persian Gulf, also known as the Persian Gulf Oasis.

Cristina: So you found out more about them before they.

Jack: Well, not necessarily. More going backwards when they were still called the Sumerians. So we have to unpack the Sumerians to come up with some kind of baffling details that I didn't know about before. But it's because we began where the sea people were because unicorns took us to the sea people. So we made that our starting point instead of going back and seeing like, okay, what else is there?

Cristina: Where did they come from before they left? Okay. What?

Jack: So the Persians, back when they were known as the Sumerians. Let us begin. There was a man named Shamash.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He was a Sumerian. We're not gonna keep calling them Sumerians. I'm just calling them Persians for the sake of us understanding who we're talking about. But all the Sumerians are Persians. So a Persian judge. A Persian judge known to shortcut through the underworld to reach his place of work. I read that, and I'm like, what the. Somebody's just casually coming in and out.

Cristina: That's just a normal thing in his.

Jack: Normal thing in his life. So Shemesh became well known by the Djinn and was employed in being a judge for the region of the shadow realm in which he'd venture this is just some Sumerian story.

Cristina: I mean, he is. He's not a judge in the. No, he is human world.

Jack: No, he is. He was just cutting path through the shadow realm. He somehow just found a way to get in.

Cristina: But he was judging them too.

Jack: He was using a shortcut. Yes, through the shadow realm to get to work.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: His work wasn't in the shadow realm.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Shortcut means you're cutting through there.

Cristina: No, but it sounded like you also said something about.

Jack: Well, he was. Became familiar with the Djinn and was then employed by them to be a judge there too.

Cristina: That's exactly what I said. So he was. Me. He was a judge.

Jack: He specifically said he wasn't a judge in. Oh, yeah, he's a judge. He began as A judge in Earth Realm is the important detail here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then he shortcut it so frequently that he became familiar with the gin in the paths he was kind of taking. They became familiar with what he does and they're like, wait, your job is to judge people and give a verdict of sorts. Do that for us.

Cristina: It's weird, but okay.

Jack: Very strange. He told his sister Inanna of this path he'd found and the people he'd met traveling through through it, and of his. This peculiar tree. He found a weird tree he found in this forest. Because he was cutting through a forest. Inanna asked to see it personally. And one day on his way to work, she accompanied him through the path, right to the tree. She took a bite of the tree's fruit.

Cristina: What's gonna happen?

Jack: And was suddenly filled with an immense rush of knowledge unknown to those in the Overworld.

Cristina: What? It was just there. It was just there. Whoa. Why was it just there? And did he end up doing the same?

Jack: There was no mention of that. She took a bite of the fruit in the Shadow Realm. She just found a tree. Well, he found the tree in the Shadow Realm. Brought his sister. She bit a fruit in the Shadow Realm. And then. Just knowledge.

Cristina: Whoa. So that's just a normal tree. There's nothing special about that tree.

Jack: It was just a tree.

Cristina: I mean, over there, like, it's very special to us, but, like, it's just a tree over there. There was nothing protecting it. There was no nada. It was just. She just picked the fruit from it.

Jack: Now going backwards gets way weirder than us moving forward and finding connections, because the more back we go, the more dots that are just casually mentioned together.

Cristina: Okay, but is that the end of her story?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Ganzir is an underworld palace ruled by the queen Ereshkigal and her family. They were chosen as the rulers of the region by the leader of the Shadow Realm, Sizen.

Cristina: I don't understand.

Jack: Sizen is exactly the same name that the Mayans used to describe the member of the Earth Gods that came from the Shadow Realm claiming to be the leader of the Shadow Realm. These are the f****** Sumerians, Persians way the h*** over there claiming. Oh, no, the leader's the same guy.

Cristina: Okay, but he chose one of the.

Jack: Just somebody else in the Shadow Realm to watch over this palace, this region. Okay, the weird part here is that they used the same name to describe the guy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like how again, you guys are divided by a f****** ocean, like, way long ago. How the h*** were you guys communicating? They're not even Persians yet. Mayans haven't happened yet.

Jack: How the f*** is this so on point?

Cristina: But the people know about this story?

Jack: I mean, yes, that's how we found out about it. Okay, through hieroglyphs and old texts. So, yes, they must have. Now, Geshtina, a botanist of the Genseer People. The Genseer palace is the one that's being ruled by the family chosen by SZM and Geshtinana.

Cristina: These are our Shadow People?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Geshtinana is a botanist of the Gandir People. Interesting. To a degree. A botanist in the Shadow Realm. Interesting. Whatever though. Until the next line here. Her younger sister, Ixchel. Is that name Platonic prodigy? Yes. She was also a member of the Earth Gods.

Cristina: She's the wife of that guy?

Jack: Yes. Yes, she is.

Cristina: What? These are the same names?

Jack: These are the same exact names. How?

Cristina: How?

Jack: Yep. Okay, but then when I just showed you the structures, like how.

Cristina: Yeah, that wasn't like Persia. Like, if we go to the time you're talking about, is there still stuff, art and etc from that time?

Jack: No, these writings predate those structures.

Cristina: Okay, because what did their art look like? Were they showing the same stories too?

Jack: I don't know. I think a lot of the events happen following this. Keep in mind that the events that we talk about on average, are after these people have already united with the other ones, the Earth Gods. Is these people after they've met the other people? Okay, right now we're talking about these people before they met the other people. We're talking about Ixchell and Susan before they met Izamna. You know, before Idzamna met Ra.

Cristina: Ridiculous.

Jack: Okay, weird. But her younger sister, this Shadow Realm botanist, had a younger sister prodigy called Ixcham, who we know later is the wife of Vidzamba. Okay, now you wanted to know again about Shemesh's sister, so let's give you some more details about Shemesh's sister. The judge who wandered through the Shadow Realm. Who the f*** knows how he came in to know the younger sister of Shemesh and the first Overworlder to consume what they referred to as a fruit of knowledge.

Cristina: Of course they do. Of course. Okay.

Jack: Travels to the Shadow Realm with frequency. After familiarizing herself with it, she starts just kind of going on without them. Like it, I've already been here. I know how to get here. Well, now it's unclear how the h*** they're getting here. That part is not elaborated. I looked. I was trying to find out how the h*** how Are you just wandering into the Shadow Room? There must have been some gates somewhere that they've stumbled upon. They're probably wandering to the top of a mountain and popping up somewhere else. Yes, that's my theory. They all are also Persians, which tells me you're probably going to Mount. Probably just going to Mount Kaf. It's.

Cristina: That's probably where you're taking to it at all.

Jack: They don't hint to it at all. But also my cough is in the middle of a body of water. You taking a boat here every day? How are you getting to the mountain? It can't be. There has to be another way. There has to be another way. I don't know how, but maybe there.

Cristina: Was a path to the mountain that was built on the water and we just haven't found that story.

Jack: Could be 100%. Who knows? Now Inanna befriends Gannanana and Ixchel.

Cristina: I can't remember these names.

Jack: The wife of Itzamna.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: When she's just a little girl.

Cristina: It befriends this other person. Sister.

Jack: The judge's sister.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Who keeps entering. She seems to be passing through the palace. The palace must be nearby. The one that sizen. This God of Death from the Shadow Realm. The one that he appointed this family to. And these are the botanists from that palace. And Inanna meets these people and befriends them.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: And they bond over the knowledge of their respective realms. Ixchell, consumed with curiosity, decides to alternate every six months with Inanna. And they would swap places. I'll spend six months over there and then back over here. And when I'm over here, you're over there. When you're over there, I'm over here. I'll just keep swapping places every six months.

Cristina: I wonder why.

Jack: They just wanted. They were so curious about each other's worlds.

Cristina: Yeah, okay.

Jack: But after only a single trip, they decided to swap places permanently.

Cristina: Whaaaat? Whaaat?

Jack: They didn't even do the six month thing?

Cristina: No. Wow. They're just like, nope, I'm in love now.

Jack: Yep. Inanna remains in Ganzir palace for the remainder of her life. And Ixshl remains in the Overworld for the remainder of her life.

Cristina: We don't really know what's the end.

Jack: Of her story of Inanna. Have no idea.

Cristina: Or I guess either of their stories.

Jack: Ixchil's story is to be part of the Mayan group and the Earth gods.

Cristina: Yeah, but like what happens to them? You don't know?

Jack: She marries itzamna she develops data storing technology. We know a lot of her life based on.

Cristina: We don't know what their conclusion.

Jack: No. As far as we know so far, no. And we have no idea what happens to Inanna because finding out what happens in the Shadow Realm without people coming back and telling us seems to be impossible. Yeah, seems to be impossible as of now. Now, Nettie, following the wandering of Shamash into the underworld, Sizen, the God of death, the ruler of the Shadow Realm, instructed Nettie to protect the portal.

Cristina: So there's a portal, of course, in.

Jack: And out of the Shadow Realm. He was shortly thereafter titled the gatekeeper of the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: So. But then this makes it seem like there's only one way in and out.

Jack: It was just that way that they were getting through.

Cristina: Okay. The humans.

Jack: Yeah. There was a way that somebody that they found and people were getting through it.

Cristina: Yes. And he was like, you're gonna protect this portal? Because so far, maybe there's just one.

Jack: There's probably many portals, but nobody seems to know how to go through them. Yeah, except this one. That's somehow casual.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Bellet Sari stationed with Nadi at this gateway to the Shadow Realm. She was in charge of recording, logging and reporting on any and all beings to come through the gates. With exception for Inanna and Shamesh, who had free passes.

Cristina: Cool.

Jack: Now a couple of more details about Sizen that we are quite familiar with to some degree. Sizen is the leader of all the Djinn in the Shadow Realm. We know that he's considered the highest being there. He is a God of sorts, a demonic godlike creature, even according to the Djinn. So the jinn are the human of the Shadow Realm. And they consider Susan some Unjinn, like other creature, some demonic powerful entity.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Out of everybody we have talked about unto this day, we can honestly break everyone down into being just another person. Either somebody who's consumed the fruit, somebody who has drunk blood, somebody who has done something weird to get abilities, or somebody who's using science to be there. With the exception for Mab that we have no explanation for. Assuming they are also just some sort of a scientist at a really high caliber in the Kardashev scale. And sizz it, they might be the.

Cristina: Same or similar things.

Jack: They might be similar things. It still seems that based on the idea of what Mab is, she might have created the Shadow Realm. Which means Szan must be below her. Unless he's not originally from there and he also comes from where she comes from. There's no way to know yeah.

Cristina: There's no way to know. That's complicated. But she's supposed to have made the Shadow Realm.

Jack: She made the Shadow Realm and Earthrealm and all the creatures within the Alphane.

Cristina: Okay. Man, that's a lot of work. Okay.

Jack: Who knows? It could have been instant. It could have been like the Hedron Collider. We don't really do much work. We turn it on, slam two atoms into each other. It took a fraction of a second. Done. We made an entire universe inside there. Like she could be that just running the computer.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's just fascinating. There's a creature who is not like the other Jinn. Like, they are really considering him something different. Something elevated, something escalated. Inanna is just a chick. Shemesh is just a guy.

Cristina: But they don't use the word God, do they? To describe him.

Jack: The Djinn allegedly call Sizen a demonic godlike creature.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So he's something so overpowered in their eyes, they're not even considering him a creature like the rest of what they're used to within their world. He is somehow unrelated to everything else they see in the Shadow Realm. That's just normal to them.

Cristina: Okay. Some demon, God, creature thing.

Jack: Okay. Some whole other thing. Everybody else we have broken down all the way until we know that they are a scientist. A person who acquired something. Something that makes them seem godly to people. Yeah, but Mabin, Susan are exceptions to that rule.

Cristina: I wonder if they're similar to each other. We don't know enough.

Jack: We don't know enough. I know at least the Shadow Realm itself is a product of man. But we don't know if Susan is. Was he made from within the Shadow realm or did he go to the Shadow Realm?

Cristina: Yeah, or she made him to watch over it like she did so many other creatures of.

Jack: Yes. Is he still made by her but not from the Shadow realm?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Fascinating. And if he isn't made by her, why is he in the Shadow realm? Because it would mean he is like her. But then would that mean the Mayans are more overpowered than the Egyptians? And maybe even the sea people?

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Then again, the sea people are godly just through science.

Cristina: Yes, they win. I mean, they're the ones sharing everything with everyone.

Jack: Yeah. They have escalated to a point so far that Mab is shook that she is taken aback by the scale and power of these guys. Her own means to cap off power did not work.

Cristina: And probably the shadow people feel the same way about them. We don't know about the sea people. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: It's Completely possible. We only know of their ventures through the Overworld, but God d***, bro. It really seems like at this point, if Sizen, this godlike creature, joins the Earth people and still ends up relying on advances provided by the sea people, like, wow, what does that mean?

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: How high up on the Kardashev scale? Because, okay, we just got to think about the ancient Egyptians and the fact that if the great Void is in fact them, that's stars among stars among stars among stars or galaxies, depending. I'm not even sure.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If it's entire galaxies, like, how far up the Kardashian scale are they? They're trapping entire galaxies within.

Cristina: And if they are doing that, they only got that way because of the sea people. Like, they're just sea people up there.

Jack: Yeah, the sea people are so beyond that. Most of space is just a plaything to them. They just happen to home base here.

Cristina: We're just so good at hiding everything.

Jack: Yeah. It's absurd, right? So unaware of when he came to exist, but powerful enough for most Shadow Realm creatures to fear and respect him. The Djinn consideration a God. Now, a story I found from Susan, as provided by the Sumerians, aka the Persians.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: 2 million years bc this is a story by the Sumerians 2 million. 2 million years ago.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I'm not saying the Sumerians were around 2 million years ago, but the Sumerians are claiming the story happened 2 million years ago.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: A man from the Overworld. I don't know how informed you are on things, but a man from the Overworld named El ventures into the Shadow Realm. Sizen did not like this at first, but spared the man. Upon multiple visits, El and Sizen befriended one another. Szin tells El of the Forest of Shadows.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: A Shadow Realm forest inhabited by many powerful Shadow Realm creatures. A place most Djinn avoid. And those who don't, rarely return with.

Cristina: Magical fruits in them.

Jack: Curious of this place. L visits the forest alongside citizen. Now, things you should know that make this very, very, very interesting. As we know, Jesus is a Persian, particularly from the Persian Gulf oasis, AKA a sea person. He claims to be the son of Jehovah. Proven wrong. But Jehovah is also a sea person. Yes, a sea person, particularly high in caliber. Probably the leader of the sea people. Seems to be that in all of these instances, the most educated, most informed individual, kind of like ancient cultures used to work, is the leader. And based on all information we have, Jehovah is the top of the food chain, including of the. When it Comes to the garden and the fruits and just everything. Just everything. Adam and Eve. All of the above, yes. If we look at Jewish text, the order is starting all the way Christianity and moving our way back. Jesus, Jehovah, Yahweh, Chaim. Then El, oftentimes considered Elfrim is. They're both one. If you go far back enough. The gist of gods in Abrahamic religions is a man named El.

Cristina: What time? I do remember that name.

Jack: And the Sumerians claim a man named El befriended a God named Susan in the Shadow Realm two million years ago.

Cristina: The most ancient sea people. I mean, we know they were so far back, like, so impossibly far back.

Jack: 2.5 million years ago.

Cristina: 2.5 million. Okay, this makes sense.

Jack: This is fitting perfectly into the timeline.

Cristina: Oh, was Alhaim the two names like the wife and husband or something?

Jack: So there's a million variants of this. Alheim is two brothers, Elheim is one individual. Alheim is husband, wife.

Cristina: Oh, okay, okay. But so far, yeah, we at least.

Jack: Known when it's broken up into two individuals, El comes first, time comes second. Oftentimes it's considered one.

Cristina: Alheim is El by himself ever in these stories?

Jack: Yes. You'll see L by himself. You'll never see Heim alone.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Chaim is always part of L. L is not always part of him. Okay, so El, Chaim or El, but never just Chaim.

Cristina: Okay, so we don't know if Chaim is real or not.

Jack: No, it's possibly that based on the elusiveness of this, one of two things is going on. Chaim is literally just another name for L or part of his name. And his nickname is L. Or Heim is the actual first shadow individual to encounter, and that's why he's more elusive than El is. So whatever. Jehovah of Dark, if we follow that train all the way up, we land at Heim, presumably. Okay, but there's no way to prove that. That's just a theory. As to the elusiveness of the second part of the name, it's more likely that it's just Elkhrame.

Cristina: It'll be interesting if that. That part of the name pops up somewhere. But. Okay, yeah. Whoa.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Whoa. In fact, that was a really interesting thing to come across.

Cristina: The story they have.

Jack: That's a story they have.

Cristina: That doesn't make sense. Or it does make sense. It's crazy.

Jack: Well, what's interesting is that means 2 million years ago. So if we follow the timeline 2.5 million years ago, we have these people making tools Primitive tools. Which means 5 million years go by. I mean, 500,000 years go by. That's enough time. That's more time than when we began to. Now, we've only been around 100,000 years. They would have 400,000 more years than we would. We've only been around 100,000 years. They would have 400,000 more years Than we would. From the point that they made their first tools to the moment the L meets sizzle. That's how long ago this would have been the first. This is, as of now, the first encounter between an Overworlder and a Shadow Realm individual.

Cristina: Wait, in this story, though, he takes him to the garden. Is that the end of that story?

Jack: No, garden. To a forest.

Cristina: To the forest. Okay. That was the end of that story, though.

Jack: Like the Forest of Shadows?

Cristina: Yes. No fruits involved? No. He ate something in that trip.

Jack: As far as we know now.

Cristina: Okay. I feel like that's where that would lead.

Jack: Okay, well, let's then investigate the Forest of Shadows.

Cristina: Oh, you have information on the forest. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Okay, so part of the forest through which she mesh would shortcut to work and where the tree Inanna grabbed a fruit from was located. So the same forest that El visited. As we know, a hundred. I mean, a thousand B.C. an overworld man appears as recorded by Belit Sari, the one that Susan put alongside Nettie to record anybody who came through. This is known because we have Shemesh, who is the judge for the Djinn as well. So we have, interestingly, a man working in both realms who can report on anything that has to do with the people he's working with. Okay, so, thousand BC an overworld man appears as recorded by Bellat City and claims to. And claims to have a note discussing the location and the contents of the forest. He asks permission of passage and it is granted. Actually, no, I said a thousand. This is 10,000 BC.

Cristina: 10,000.

Jack: 10,000 BC. So this is 10,000 years before Christ.

Cristina: He has a letter.

Jack: Note. He has a note. He's. He made a note?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Somebody gave him or something or he found it or whatever that says where the forest is and what is in the Forest of Shadows. Man is unnamed.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Just some guy.

Cristina: But they just let him through.

Jack: Yeah, he's like, look, I got. So he had some form of clearance, some awareness. Somebody was like, oh, yeah, green light, this guy.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which is weird already.

Cristina: That is weird.

Jack: You got a Gatekeeper and you got a person recording everything so you can know what the h*** is happening. And this dude, you've never seen 10,000 years before. Christ rolls up and he's like, look, I got a note. And it says that there's a forest here. These things in the forest.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: And then he's just granted passage.

Cristina: That is so weird.

Jack: Very weird. The man is reported to have picked one of every fruit he saw before leaving the forest.

Cristina: They were just cool with that. Whoa. He's a sea person. I don't know.

Jack: I think that was Jehovah.

Cristina: Still a sea person, but still a sea person.

Jack: I think that was Jehovah. I think Jehovah rolled up. He had. He what note? How? Who? Where'd you get it? Where the h*** did this come from? You were just looking through your, like, great grandfather's whatever the h***, and you found the thing and you're like, oh, f***.

Cristina: Oh. Gave him that now. Which I guess would be his great.

Jack: Grandfather or whatever either gave it to him, or he found it looking through old something something. Somehow he stumbled upon this. And he knew exactly where to go and exactly what to look for. Weird. So, story of the Tree of Knowledge. There is a story inscribed on an ancient Iranian temple. It suggests that El investigated a tree within the Forest of Shadows. He concluded that the trees within the forest were twisted and contorted, dry and odd, although alive and fruitful, because they were the roots to trees located somewhere in the Overworld.

Cristina: So it's like the Upside Down. He's telling us. Oh, my gosh. No. What? The Shadow Realm was the Upside down world.

Jack: What we already knew. It was a weird, warped version, but that's even weirder.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: He hypothesized that the fruits of these trees would allow creatures of the Shadow Realm passage into Earthrealm, and that fruits from the branches in the earthrealm would allow earthrealm creatures passage into the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: That would explain the judge. He probably had one of those fruits to find the path.

Jack: He had an overworld fruit he had no idea of and found easy passage into the Shadow realm. Then his sister must have eaten the same thing too, to just be able to casually go.

Cristina: He would know about that. Oh, man. Oh, this is out, right? Telling the story. He man. So then, yeah, he had to have told the sea people about the forest, and that's why that guy went into there to get all those fruits.

Jack: If he's even around. Again, he had a note. Nothing says anybody told him. He just.

Cristina: No, but he probably wrote that note.

Jack: Or Jehovah gathered information, and that's too random how? If your great grandfather already collected the information.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So he wrote it, give you the information? No, he didn't have to.

Cristina: But he did write it down.

Jack: He didn't have to write it down either. He could have just told stories throughout time. And this guy just. Or maybe he was a researcher himself again, he wanted to go investigate with Susan, his friends, like, oh, let's go look. I'm curious. Although it never said that l was a scientist or anything, it was just a guy that led to the creation of this symbol that shows up in.

Cristina: Many cultures, which is a fruit of knowledge, Shadow realm.

Jack: No, it's not a fruit of knowledge. It's a tree that exists in both the Overworld and underworld, where the roots are in the underworld and the branches are in the Overworld.

Cristina: Yes, yes, yes.

Jack: That's everywhere that exists throughout cultures.

Cristina: Throughout cultures.

Jack: Many cultures have the same imagery in many different ways.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Usually depicting some sort of infinity symbol equivalent where there are two equal sides standing up, a bubble on top, a bubble on the bottom, branches on top, branches at the bottom, hourglass shape or something with a line down the middle depicting equality on both ends. Even the yin yang symbol is sort of discussing the concepts that within the dark there is part of the light, and within the light there is part of the dark.

Cristina: See? See? Ooh, that's pretty cool. So that's just a representation, though, of the shadow realm and how connected we are to them.

Jack: Yes. This is how tight they get. Now, notice there is no mention of Elfame in this image.

Cristina: No, because we don't know anything about it.

Jack: No, we don't know. Crap.

Cristina: Even if it was connected this way, we wouldn't know how.

Jack: And it would be in some other way we're not understanding. It could be right in front of us and we're not getting it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This could be. This image could be already informed and we still don't understand how because we don't have the perspective to notice.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: How this image is discussing the Elfham.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: We have no point of reference.

Cristina: It's true. What? It could be right there in our face and we have no idea.

Jack: If we think the shadow people are elusive and all we're getting is shreds from people who've either been there or left there. How much more elusive is Elfame? And that being said, Susan, the highest being within the Shadow Realm. Mab, the highest being within Elfhame. Jehovah isn't the highest being in the Overworld. He's not. He's just another guy.

Cristina: Yeah, because there's no highest being there.

Jack: Might be. And it's not L either, because L is just some other guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, as far as we know, Susan gave L the respect he deserved. That's weird. He didn't have to do that. But he also did that with random humans.

Cristina: You think there's someone that rules this earth sign that's equal to come back.

Jack: To the name that we have no information on. Heim. What the h*** is Heym if it's not part of L? Why can we come across L, but we don't come across Heim by itself. We come across Alchem. Interesting. I think there might be something there. Bare minimum. Okay, and if we have a serpent provided to Jehovah, how far back are there serpents? Susan didn't have a serpent. But he had. He was the big, big bad leader. But it doesn't seem he was advancing society. In fact, when he came to the Overworld, he was underneath Izama. He was just another guy on the team. Even if he's godly in scale, by comparison, he was just a follower.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what's happening. I don't know the scale of anything. None of it makes sense unless you actually know. None of us know.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. So shreds, little bits and pieces. I'm coming across. We know now where Ixshell came from. And weirdly enough, there are stories in Persia, the Sumerians, discussing this Mayan shadow creature. We have Szm being discussed in Persia by the Sumerians, this Trin, Mayan shadow creature. Oh, we have Inanna.

Cristina: Inanna being discussed.

Jack: Sumerian individual, a Persian meeting Ixchel, the Mayan. We already had mention of Ra and Atum communicating with Itzamna. And we know that based on both their testimonies that they have come across the Sea People. And they both claim to have been provided architecture and scientific advancements by the Sea People. And then we look at their structures and we look at their data, and there we look at their stories and we look at their records and their knowledge and their science. And it's the same. Mm divided by oceans. Where anyone else could not have come across each other. These two groups of people seem to be so interconnected, and they both claim the same f****** mountain, Kaath, that's tied even more than Athos.

Cristina: There's nothing we can learn about Kaath. Nothing more.

Jack: Nothing more. Kaath just doesn't even exist as far as we know.

Cristina: Is there any stories about mountains that just reappear and disappear or something. Anywhere interesting.

Jack: Anything. All we're doing is find cough. This is going to aim at Kaf.

Cristina: Yeah, but that would still be really interesting if other places see it.

Jack: Interesting. I see where you're coming from. Well, we know that the Indians knew of it and it was part of their tradition to make a trek there. And as far as H***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Indians would go all the way from India all the way to Kaf.

Cristina: That's very strange.

Jack: But they have no mention of sea people.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So you moved a mountain, but there's no proof they entered.

Cristina: I want to know more about that six headed snake creature or whatever.

Jack: Seven.

Cristina: Seven. Yeah.

Jack: That's an interesting point though. Although there's zero mention of the sea people. The Indians have the seven dots and the seven headed creature snake thing. And that is quite interesting because what is it that they are in fact connected with? If India has these seven headed things and India has the seven dots, what does that mean? What does it mean if they never once, as far as I know, mentioned the sea people? This has nothing to do with the sea people then.

Cristina: No.

Jack: At least we can remove that. The fact that one of them is snakes is interesting. Maybe these dots are representative of Oros or.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Mab or something in Elfame.

Cristina: Even in Russia.

Jack: That's interesting too. All of the. When it comes to the dots, they are all over the hands of people. Like they're holding it up like it's something glorious, something powerful, something marvelous, something above them, something godly. Yeah, but when it's structural, it's demonic and contorted and twisted and evil looking. So as a being, the seven represents something dark. But as the dots, it's God. It's above there. So there must be some godlike thing.

Cristina: His demon and God, they use it interchangeably anyway. Yes, things. Most ancient people, it's like it's good and it's bad and it's evil, but it's great. Like it's not really any. It's whatever it wants to be and we're just labeling it whatever.

Jack: So interesting point here though. Other than the fact that for the. For the Mayans it was a snake. Other than that weird detail. What stops. So in Mesopotamia, India and Egypt, they all consider this some godlike thing. But we know that none of their major leaders were represented like this. What if. And again, the Indians never once mentioned the sea people. What if this is an actual representation of what we were just discussing and it somehow. The God of the overworld of Earthrealm. What if this is the. What if this is what we should be focusing on to find whatever the h*** that is. Sizend is the highest being, the highest power godly by the claims of the Djinn themselves.

Cristina: How do we know that's not Susan?

Jack: Interesting. You think Susan might be just in Oros, not an Oros. The snake part is what throws me off here.

Cristina: Yes, it does. I don't know. That's true.

Jack: But also the Jin do. But they don't just say. If it was just a Naga, then it would have been obvious to the Djinn. Because there are other Naga.

Cristina: But he's so different.

Jack: He's so different. He couldn't be.

Cristina: He can't be.

Jack: It must be something else. There is something else happening here.

Cristina: Gotta do more research.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: It could totally be him. But probably not. Probably not.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I know. Seven is really important. It's the most important. Seven is the most important. That's what we're looking at. It's the most important. Height of importance is seven.

Cristina: Yes. Seven heads.

Jack: Seven heads or seven dots. So when there's seven dots, doesn't matter how far apart we are. One is in the middle, three on top, three on the bottom. Alternatively, this could be a visualization of the connection to the shadow realm. The top, the thin center, the bottom.

Cristina: And so it has nothing. It doesn't represent that creature. But that creature has to be coming from the shadow worm. I don't know.

Jack: In the case of the creature. In the case of this creature, the Mayan version and the Indian version don't have a center point, while the Russian version does. There's a center point and then three to either side. That doesn't seem to be the case with the Indian visualization of a seven headed thing. And that doesn't seem to be the case with the Mayan representation of a seven headed snake. Being. This is more like Medusa or something. Which is weird because again, that's a Greek Naga. How the h*** are the Mayans so connected to everything they also know about that?

Cristina: I don't know. But what if this is Medusa? Like, well, how would we know it's not?

Jack: How would we know it's not? Well, over here it looks like apes. Seven headed ape creature.

Cristina: It's too hard for me to really see, I guess. I don't know. You see apes in that.

Jack: But then when we look at the dog.

Cristina: No idea. I don't know.

Jack: It's complicated. This is. This is worth picking apart.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because there's something here. Although when we look at Russia, it looks like they are showing us a visual of the shadow realm. Any creature in the shadow realm.

Cristina: I wanna know their story.

Jack: Yeah, we've never come across the Russians. The first mention of Russia is in this image.

Cristina: I'm sure Russia has a lot of horror stories. We gotta look that up.

Jack: Yep, that's what I got. This is me trying to zero in.

Cristina: We are definitely zeroing in on something. I just don't know what it did.

Jack: We're always closer than we were, but we are always left with a crap ton more questions than we began with.

Cristina: Yes, I have no idea what's going on.

Jack: That's where we are. That's where we are.

Cristina: But it's connected somehow.

Jack: Everything seems connected somehow. Everything seems connected somehow. And we have the Persians discussing this dude named El showing up.

Cristina: And that is amazing.

Jack: That's beautiful. That tells us a lot.

Cristina: Who knows where else he shows up?

Jack: Yeah, 100%. That's crazy. He is definitely a sea people. Sea people. Sea person.

Cristina: Ancient sea person.

Jack: Nation. Sea person. The great, great, great something of Jehovah.

Cristina: Yeah. That's so cool.

Jack: Okay, anyways, that's what we got. That's what I got. That's as far as we've gotten thus far. And hopefully we can come up with some other details and find some other things. But as of now, maybe next week we'll come out and put something else. But the similarities are striking and the stories are tying up more, more and more. And now, with the help of L and his conclusions, we have a tighter connection between the Shadow Realm and the Overworld Earth Realm. They're one. So now. Which is why it's easier to get from one to the other than it is to even conceive of what the h*** Elfame is.

Cristina: Yep. Which has to somehow be connected somehow.

Jack: It has to be tied in. It has to be. Everything is tied in somehow. Elfame is tied in. It has to be. You're totally right. It has to be. There's no exception to this. We just don't know how. And once we see it, we won't be able to unsee it. But until we see it, we have no idea what the we're looking at.

Cristina: Yep. But it's there.

Jack: It's there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Anyways, if you guys have any input, please message us. Hit us up on our socials at just convopod on Tick Tock, Facebook X or Instagram.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth. Be sure to tell people who might have some input, insight or any kind of anything to add. If you know anything about the seven headed creatures or the seven points that in hieroglyphs and sculptures are above the most powerful beings civilizations, please tell us.

Cristina: What we don't know. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

December 11, 2021

JCP 5.10 Conspiracy Beer Me & The Zoo Hypothesis

December 11, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

Guest Justin Scranton, host of the Conspiracy Beer Me podcast, join Jack for an in depths discussion on conspiracy theories and how it affects the culture at large. Picking apart everything from the Mandela Effect to the elitist effort of suppressing knowledge from the masses and manipulate an ever growing population. This deep dive opens a can of worms into the psychology of society and the relationship to conspiracy theories.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

Cult of Conspiracy Believers
Listening More than Talking
Equality or Revenge
Miseducating the Population
CIA Creating Fake News
Covid, Metaverse and the Matrix are Related
Choosing the Blue Pill
The Journey is the Goal
Skateboarding and Stand-Up Similarities
Lost Knowledge or Alien Tech?
Non-Carbon Based Life
Sentient Robots
Virtual Reality Over Base Reality
Underground Civilizations

Conspiracy Beer Me Links:

Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/conspiracybeerme/

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/conspiracybeerme

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Apple Podcasts - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/conspiracy-beer-me/id1447071984

Justin Scranton Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/justinscranton/

Shane Smith Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/itsshanesmith/

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November 20, 2021

Rambling 152: Shinto Shrines

November 20, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who first interacted with the shadow realm? How did they find it? Are churches and shrines related to the shadow realm somehow? And who’s master plan resulting in may churches and shrines throughout the world in order to bring creatures from the shadow realm through? The duo finally start resolving the bigger lingering questions about the shadow realm and the belief systems propped up around the need to bring things from the shadow realm back to base reality. The secret they uncover in the process is a twist they don’t see coming. And the usual suspect seems to be behind it all. Find out who, on this episode!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

Trump 2024
Star Destroyer
Rabbit People
Trump vs Biden Battle
Vaccine Propaganda
Right vs Left
Woke Culture
Star Trek Borg
White House Battle
Shinto Explained
Kami (Spirits)
Shrines
The Shadow Realm
Vampire Jesus
12 Apostles

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

Instagram -https://instagram.com/justconvopod

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas and childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So shut up and listen with somebody else.

Cristina: Why do they have to shut up? They could talk with us.

Jack: Yeah, we don't have to listen to them talk.

Cristina: Yeah, we're not listening to them.

Jack: And actually it would make sense if they're having to. They're bringing somebody else to have discussions with and then they're just shutting up and listening. But you know what? Go find somebody to have discussions with about the show and shut the f*** up while you listen.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know. They could talk while they listen to the show and then realize they didn't listen to the show and then have to re. Listen to the show.

Jack: This is why you got to download the show. So you can just, like, have it with you as you continue to talk to people and realize you're missing the show as you're talking to people about the show you're missing.

Cristina: So you gotta give the episode, like, three listens just to get the full picture.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the best way to do it.

Cristina: Yes. That's the right way.

Jack: It's recommended you shut the f*** up to grasp it. But. But also, you can't talk with somebody if you shut the f*** up. So you should make a combination of shutting the f*** up and listening and also having conversations. Yeah, you could do it in either order. At least give it two listens. One should be completely silent. The other should be with conversation.

Cristina: Both should be with two people.

Jack: Both should be with two people.

Cristina: Or more.

Jack: Or more.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: The minimum is two people.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: Why you're quietly sitting next to somebody else to listen. I don't know. But you're gonna do it?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because the children. And cancer.

Cristina: And cancer. That's a lot of cancer.

Jack: That's a lot of cancer.

Cristina: I feel like maybe we should stick to two now that I'm thinking about it. Like, if it's more than two, then everyone's listening through the one device and that means we're getting less plays. Although they are replaying it, but it Would still be better if it's just.

Jack: So only two. It's the minimum and the maximum.

Cristina: Yes, now it is.

Jack: The rule is no more, no less.

Cristina: No. If there's a third person in the room, they gotta listen. No, they can listen to it on their own device.

Jack: Fair enough. Fair enough. They have to listen on a separate thing. Yes, it is illegal. I will pass this law. We will get the President to pass this law so that people are obligated to listen in pairs of two. And if they don't, because all our technology is spying on us, they will know and you will go to jail.

Cristina: The President is gonna stop everyone in the world though.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Because.

Jack: Yes. With the power of friendship.

Cristina: With the power of friendship.

Jack: He's gonna go and be sleepy on them and you're gonna be like, oh, you know what? Pass the law.

Cristina: Sleepy.

Jack: Sleepy Joe.

Cristina: That's horrible. That's a horrible nickname.

Jack: I know, but it sticks, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I've heard so many people. I've heard people on the left call him Sleepy Joe.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah, it's ridiculous. It's just super stuck. Trump won. Like, let's be real.

Cristina: Trump won. That nickname?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Oh, wow.

Jack: Trump won, bro.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He wanted everything and he sucks all at the same time. He's awesome. He's like a weird monster that can't be beat.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's crazy. He's like the super boss and we lost the first fight.

Cristina: Oh. So there has to be another fight.

Jack: There's going to be. He's going to run again. Oh, 2024 Trump.

Cristina: 2024.

Jack: 2024. Some Trump.

Cristina: Exciting.

Jack: It's going to be crazy.

Cristina: And then he's going to try to run again after winning.

Jack: Yeah, he's gonna try to win a third time and people are gonna vote for him anyways. But it's illegal to run again. But there's gonna be some sort of a coup and then like a Star Destroyer is gonna show up and a bunch of ships are gonna fly out of it from the space forest. Yeah.

Cristina: Space warriors. Yeah.

Jack: And that's when we're gonna start shooting from the ground up. And he's gonna board one of the Star Destroyers and go to planet Trump that he has been building. It's a giant like fake looking moon thing.

Cristina: Is that his Space Force is doing all of that?

Jack: Well, actually no Space Force is probably coming in contact with the rabbit people. Or is it called the Claridians or some s*** like that?

Cristina: Yes, that's what you named that. How do you remember that? It's a random word. Is that really. Did you steal that name from something, man?

Jack: Probably. I don't know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I don't know. It's. I don't know why I remember anything. I don't know where I learn anything I remember. I don't know why I have memory of the most weird, obscure ra. Random. But these Claridians. And what do you mean that I made up? This is.

Cristina: If you stole that from something that could be like a Star Trek alien.

Jack: It could totally be, but this is just conversation lure, bro. Okay, so Claridians, according to what? Rabbits are rabbit people inside of a Death Star esque thing. And Trump is gonna ride a Space Force ship. A space Force, like super mega colossal ship too.

Cristina: I forgot the star.

Jack: Just through the. The Death Star.

Cristina: Where do we get these rabbit people from? I feel like it had something to do with elephants, but are there elephant aliens too?

Jack: No, no, no. There was just a Death Star thing in space or some. They were watching us or some.

Cristina: But I don't remember. I feel like there was something that was afraid of them, though.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And. Or something was. No, they were afraid of something that was the cockroach people or something like that they were holding. They were stopping. The cockroach people were basically like Vulcan sauce.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And they were watching over Earth, waiting until we were ready to explore space.

Cristina: And they were stopping the rabid people.

Jack: They were stopping the rabid people from coming to us. Because rabbits, according to. I don't know, we. I don't know, we made it up, I guess. That rabbits are scared of cockroaches.

Cristina: No, I thought there was something about Rab. Rabbits. No. Elephants being afraid of rabbits.

Jack: No. You wanted elephants to be what? Scared of cockroaches.

Cristina: Oh, that's what it was.

Jack: Yes, but there's no reason they would be. So we established that rabbits are what's in the Death Star esque ship that was being held at bay. But the moment we destroyed Mars and the cockroach people dispersed across the galaxy and were no longer centralized, the rabbit people in the Death Star started coming our way.

Cristina: And they're working with Trump.

Jack: Yeah. Trump is going to board them and be the leader of the rabbits. And this is all fact. You can read it in government documents.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This was part of his Space Force plan. So if you want to read more on this, go to spaceforce.org and you will see that I am talking truth. But wait until the episode is over and you've forgotten all about this.

Cristina: Yes, yes. Do it later.

Jack: Yeah, do it Much later. Anyways, as our listeners, shut the f*** up and listen. According to the law that Trump will pass when he becomes a king. Sleepy Joe. You're right, you're right, you're right. And that's why Trump is gonna go to war in the first place. Because he wants to beat Sleepy Joe. But he's gonna be too sleepy. And Trump is gonna swing as Sleepy Joe droops asleep and he's gonna miss his head and Trump is gonna spin all cartoony and get dizzy himself and it's gonna be like in Pokemon where they do conf. Pokemon is all confused.

Cristina: So he's going to confuse himself.

Jack: Yeah, he's going to confuse himself and then he's going to fall over. Cuz he has no balance, which we saw because he can't go up or down a plane successfully. Yes, he like wobbles and he wibbles and wobbles, but he hasn't yet fallen down.

Cristina: But this time he won't.

Jack: But he will fall down because he's going to be dizzy too. Other than just wibbling and wobbling. So as he swings to hit Sleepy Joe during their epic battle on top of like a building. The White House fire. Yes, the White House on fire is on fire.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And it's Sleepy Joe versus Trump on top of the White House. And it's the last epic battle and Trump with his lack of.

Cristina: Do you know why the White House is on fire?

Jack: Trump said it had Trump supporter set it on fire.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then Trump swings and he. Sleepy Joe just falls asleep at that moment. Like, like, like Jigglypuff trying to put him to sleep. You ever stare an animal and like you close your eyes like you're getting sleepy and the animal starts getting sleepy? Yeah, it's like a weird hypnosis you could do on an animal that say that's a trick. Sleepy Joe's pull. That's where he got the name Sleepy Joe.

Cristina: Cuz he puts people.

Jack: He puts people to sleep. It's a trick he learned. He's using psychology, bro. He pretends he's old and incoherent, but nah, it's a trick. It's government mind control.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: To the public, dude, he's falling asleep in front of the world. And the world is falling asleep in front of their screens. What?

Cristina: So he can. When they're not looking, they're looking. Okay. Yeah, that's cool.

Jack: Yeah. So in this epic battle on top of a burning White House, Trump swings totally uncoordinated. He probably would have missed anyways, but he swings, and Sleepy Joe falls asleep at that moment, drooping to the side like Matrix style, dodging the super slow, easily dodgeable punch of Trump. And Trump spins, and now he's dizzy, and he wibbles and wobbles and actually falls down this time.

Cristina: Does he also fall asleep?

Jack: I. I guess maybe. Well, he's. He only falls asleep in front of a tv, so not really.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So. Which is ironic because that's exactly how Sleepy Joe's putting everybody to sleep.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So chances are it's super effective. It's like hitting a water Pokemon with lightning. And it's like. Yeah. Whenever this dude's at. Well, no, When Trump's at home.

Cristina: Oh. When Trump's at home while watching tv.

Jack: Turns on tv, he's just knocked the f*** out. It's critical hit. Super effective.

Cristina: Okay, so he falls off the White.

Jack: House, though, asleep, into a fiery pit of the White House, but Sleepy Joe's asleep, and he burns to death, too. And then we have an anarchistic country that happens to. Functions to. To our surprise, way better. And then peace is established in the United States, and then the rest of the world realizes we should have probably been in an anarchistic state where people make rules amongst each other. And then if somebody is just killing for no reason or abusing people.

Cristina: This is the future you're talking about. When Trump wins again or when Joe Biden is running again or what? Where is this taking place? Is it taking place right now? Did it already take place?

Jack: This is taking place in 2024.

Cristina: 2024.

Jack: Yeah, after. @ the last couple of minutes of the. Of the presidential race.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: But neither of them can run again, can they?

Jack: They're both going to be dead, right? They die at the end of this.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: They both fall into a fiery White House that was set ablaze by the Trump supporters on their second run at the White House, the insurrection.

Cristina: So can someone else just take the. No, no, no.

Jack: This is the end of presidency because all the Trump supporters only believe Trump could be president, and all the sleepy Joe supporters believe you need to go to. And those are the only two ways to run a country. You're either sleeping or supporting Trump.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. Which is weird, because exactly this happens where people are like, wake up, sheeple. Who follow Trump, saying that the people follow Trump. Wake up, sheeple. You're following the wrong. You're being brainwashed. Which is kind of true, because a lot of politicians just kind of push it under the rug. Not to say Trump was trying to liberate anybody.

Cristina: Because he was just the people that are sleeping because Sleepy Joe, aren't they the woke people?

Jack: Well, no, that's the weirdest part. The woke people are kind of the ones asleep. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, I'm not saying Trump was trying to wake anybody up. He's just an idiot who can't shut the f*** up. But as a result of not being able to shut the f*** up, he keeps informing people of what the truth is.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: While the people who were being lied to by the left are being lied to the way politicians have always lied.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They're just like, throw it under the rug. Like, still to this day, nobody understands vaccines.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Because propaganda.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: By the left.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Nobody understands vaccines. Obviously. The right is also stupid. It's poisoning you, you f****** idiot. You don't know how s*** works. But the left is also really dumb. Everybody. I got a vaccine to protect my daughter. From what? If you catch it, you'll still pass it. From what? What are you. You couldn't. You've been convinced that if you take the vaccine, you can't get it, you can't get it. And if you somehow. If me. If you still believe you can get it for whatever reason, you can't pass it. It's. It's very confusing. People are idiots.

Cristina: If you get it, you can't pass it. That's what they think.

Jack: If he believes he can still get it, then he believes he can't pass it. Or he believes he can't get it because he got vaccinated. Either. Or he believes one of those two things is happening. I got vaccinated, so I can't catch it. Or if I catch it, I can't pass it because he's protecting his daughter. I got my vaccine to protect my daughter.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like, from what? What the f***? The rapists outside is the vaccine keeping them away? I don't get what you're protecting them from.

Cristina: You don't know that.

Jack: I mean, I guess it could be. It's the same way toilet paper protects against corona.

Cristina: Exactly. Like, doesn't really need to make sense. It just has to sound right.

Jack: It just has to sound right. And this is all propaganda, man. It's crazy. People don't know s***. The woke people are, tragically, the ones following Trump and the people who are calling themselves woke, or tragically, the ones the most asleep. Not to say that the ones following Trump are really woke. It's just compared to the ones following anything else, essentially. Like, if you're on a political team and it's not Trump. You're more asleep than if you're following Trump. But you're not, like, fully woke if you're following Trump, because Trump's also just a troll.

Cristina: Anyone awake?

Jack: No, nobody's fully awake.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because Trump's not out to help you. No, he's out for.

Cristina: Is he awake?

Jack: He's. He. H*** yeah. Trump knows, bro. And he knows of his followers are morons that will follow anything he says and believe whatever the h***. He's fully aware of that, and he abuses that fact. Trump followers are dumb, bro. They're stupid, bro. But, like, Miles, we're talking s***. You could prove yourself in your kitchen with just random s*** at random times of day. You don't even need to, like, you don't need a list of it. You can just prove things that he has spewed and prove them wrong. But they're more right than the other side, which is where the problem is. Because they can be like, but you're wrong. And it's like, okay, you're right about that, but you're not right. You're just right about them being wrong. What?

Cristina: Wait, what?

Jack: The Trump followers are right in calling the left wrong. Okay, but they themselves aren't right. But they think that because they can prove the other side is wrong. They have proven that they're right. No, you've proven that they're wrong.

Cristina: Okay, then who's right?

Jack: Nobody, because you're following a bunch of politicians who are out for themselves and pinning you against each other so that they can manipulate change the laws around you to milk you for your money.

Cristina: Who can people trust, though?

Jack: Me.

Cristina: You?

Jack: I will literally just blow up the rabbit, people.

Cristina: The rabbit You. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: And then our problem is solved because they're coming to attack us.

Cristina: How do we know that?

Jack: We don't. But let's assume they are to protect ourselves. Because if we don't assume they are.

Cristina: That'S what we did with them.

Jack: If we don't assume they're coming to kill us and they come to this planet and they befriend us, and then they flip overnight order 66 us, then. Then what do we do? We didn't see it coming.

Cristina: 66 US?

Jack: Yeah, it's a Star wars order that was given to the clones that flipped them and they killed all the Jedi.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah, they order 66 us because their leader gave the orders time to dispose of the humans and they could build a f****** like Death Star. Come on. We're not winning, so we gotta stop them before they get Here. Are they coming to kill us? I can't tell you for sure, but do we want to find out if they're coming here to kill us?

Cristina: Maybe.

Jack: I mean, it's real.

Cristina: It's real.

Jack: It's real. Like, maybe we just need to let it happen.

Cristina: What if that's the solution?

Jack: Just the rest of the universe is at peace after that?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No more humans. Universe at peace.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, what if every. Like there's mad crap happening around us because we exist?

Jack: Yeah, it could totally be. Chances are the 90,000 satellites that we've put into space is f****** something up.

Cristina: Yeah. What if one of them turned alive and it's like. It's a robot destroying a world in some other.

Jack: It's totally possible. Look, a bunch of crash together.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Some sort of sentient thinking satellite.

Cristina: What if that happens?

Jack: And then we keep sending technology that keeps getting destroyed out here, and it just sends signals that reanimates it. And he builds an army of a bunch of different machines that slowly then start to form a sort of hive mentality. Eventually, some other race lands on the. Hey, there's some technologies on here. Let's go see it. And the machine attacks them and then merges with their body. And now they have a physical being with rocket technology already prepared because they landed there. And they use that rocket technology to leave and go land on some other planet where there's an entire civilization. And they, hey, look at this cool cyborg thing that came to visit us. And it's like, yes, I'm a cool cyborg. I came to visit you in the middle of the night. Just starts turning people into robots before you know it.

Cristina: Exactly. Oh, what if we started the Borg without even knowing?

Jack: I mean, the Borg were human.

Cristina: The original one.

Jack: I believe so. I think they were human to begin with. And there's something about time travel or some crap like that that is really complicated.

Cristina: What? So, yeah, okay.

Jack: We could have started the Borg.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Also, that theory that f******. Oh, my God. That's never going to leave my mind.

Cristina: The Terminator.

Jack: The Terminator came back in time to stop Connor because Connor in the future is Neo. Get the f*** out of here.

Cristina: That's crazy. Yeah. What if we made that though somewhere else?

Jack: Yeah, man. It's totally possible. It's totally possible.

Cristina: We don't know what we're doing.

Jack: We don't.

Cristina: That's why those rabbits are coming here.

Jack: Look, it's possible. We don't know. But also, like, I like awareness.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So it's like, we might be the problem. But also I like awareness.

Cristina: Yeah. So let's live and then after we're dead though the world.

Jack: No, no, no. We stopped them from coming here. For whatever reason they're coming here. In fact, we don't just stop them from coming here. I'm not really just. I'm over just murdering people. We have no cockroach people on Mars that we can question and study.

Cristina: We have your wife.

Jack: Yeah, but I'm not gonna do that to her. Okay, that's a problem. You know, so rather than just blowing up a problem. Fair enough. We're surprised we're gonna blow up, but we're gonna send a team over there to kidnap an entire few families of these rabbit. Yeah. So we can torture them primarily and also maybe question them. If we're torturing them, we're already at it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Might as well get some questions.

Cristina: Maybe the questions first and then the torture. I don't know, I don't know how it works. I mean, combo of both.

Jack: I mean, if we want to learn about them, I guess we can question them primarily. Just torture them would be cool.

Cristina: But I don't know, we should confuse them. Like I'm sure they'll be confused, give them presents randomly. Oh, I like that. I don't know those part of the torture.

Jack: And also we should test to see how similar to earth rabbits they are. Are Earth rabbits? Is Earth just a giant TV show like in South Park?

Cristina: Yes. Where's zoo?

Jack: Where just a bunch of random s*** was put. And it's like, let's see how it works out. But it's like there were sentient f****** like fully aware, conscious, technologically advanced rabbits. We know it. They're coming our way. So are they related?

Cristina: Are they on the moon? Where are these robots?

Jack: No, I mean rabbits on a Death Star.

Cristina: On a Death Star somehow related to Trump. You said he's on that Death Star.

Jack: No, he's gonna board a Star Destroyer and head there and then he's gonna return for the presidential election where he's gonna die in an epic battle with Sleepy Joe on top of the White House.

Cristina: But his army are the rabbits.

Jack: Well, his army, I guess, when he's attacking because there is gonna be an epic shoot shooting battle where we're shooting up and they're shooting down and like stuff is gonna, is gonna go down or maybe they win. We don't want to find out. Okay, we're gonna change history.

Cristina: Is he secretly a rabbit? Like how does he communicate with them?

Jack: They probably have, they have a Death Star. I'm sure they have A translator.

Cristina: Okay, what does he have? Oh, he has the horse, Space Force. But that's being still run by him.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's still run by him. Nobody runs Space Force but Trump. That's where he's hiding right now, at.

Cristina: Space Force headquarters with them at this moment to take over.

Jack: The Star Destroyer is being built so he could board it and fly up to the Death Star.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: And then join them in their attack of Earth.

Cristina: So we gotta stop them before that happens.

Jack: Before that happens.

Cristina: I don't know, but that sounds really epic.

Jack: Sounds cool, right?

Cristina: Yes. The giant white house thing. Like, couldn't we just wait and watch that and then have some kind of plan to stop it at that moment?

Jack: Look, if we did watch that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We need to hire a film crew to capture it in the greatest lighting from the best angles so that later we can play this to the public and wake them up to the fact that there was an epic fight.

Cristina: I don't know if we should do that. I feel like that's how our. We will die and get clones.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: I don't know. Are we supposed to be. I don't know. What?

Jack: We don't work for the government.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: We expose the government.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. It's a very confusing job. I don't know what we can say.

Jack: Do nothing bad about the Illuminati because they are great.

Cristina: Okay. That's it.

Jack: Everybody else sucks and lies to the people. The Illuminati tells them the truth when.

Cristina: The government works for the Illuminati. Was Trump works for the Illuminati?

Jack: No. It doesn't matter because we're not talking s*** about the Illuminati. Trump is clearly correct.

Cristina: Name is out of the table.

Jack: But anyone else out of the table.

Cristina: Who could be related to them and Jesus, maybe.

Jack: We're not sure. We haven't been killed yet.

Cristina: And Jesus.

Jack: We talked a lot of s*** about Jesus. We haven't died yet.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So I think we might have touched something wrong when we were like, is Jesus Lucifer? And does Lucifer run the government or the Illuminati?

Cristina: Whatever. Yeah.

Jack: And it's like, okay, maybe we got a little close to fire there. But I don't know if that's accurate because nothing has happened to us.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: Like, our. Our boss is probably Lucifer.

Cristina: Maybe.

Jack: Like, probably. Probably.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: But is he Jesus? Well, we've talked a lot of s*** about Jesus, and we know the boss of the Illuminati will just get rid of us.

Jack: So it's probably Just Lucifer. Probably work for the devil.

Cristina: I don't know. Or it could be a robot. I don't know. Yeah, like, it could be any. It could be a rabbit person for all we know.

Jack: He could. That's the craziest f****** plot twist. It could totally be.

Cristina: It could be anything.

Jack: It could totally be rabbit.

Cristina: Could have been a roach person. But I feel like we'd be dead now if it was a roach person.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Or maybe that's why one of our clones died was because it was the roach people and they didn't like what we did because we were involved in that roach war that I did not want to be a part of.

Jack: Well, no, because we specifically died for talking s***. The very next time is when those clones were gotten rid of.

Cristina: Mmm. Okay, so it's not the roach people. Okay.

Jack: I mean, it could be the roach people, but it wasn't because of what happened to the roach people. Because then we would have died immediately after what happened to the roach people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which wasn't the case.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It could be a rabbit person as well. But, like, what the f*** are they on their way for then? There's already running the show.

Cristina: Okay, so what are we gonna do? We're gonna let them come here? We're gonna stop them before.

Jack: I mean, I like the idea of recording the epic battle.

Cristina: Well, we still had to find God. Well, that happens before that because that's in 2001.

Jack: 2004.

Cristina: 24. So, yeah. Yeah, we got a while for that.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, we got a regular head groundhog that we already got, you know, hoping to see how that goes. My throat's healing up. I can talk.

Cristina: Yeah. So we're gonna meet God before that.

Jack: Yeah, we're meeting God way before Trump runs again. And there's an epic space battle for Earth and the White House between Sleepy Joe and Donald Trump.

Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty cool.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: I don't know which part is cooler, but it's happening. Maybe God will watch the fight with us.

Jack: Maybe God knows the right connect to have the best film crew record this.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Maybe you can just talk to Colin Bressler.

Cristina: Colin?

Jack: Oh, yeah.

Cristina: He could help us get him to come back.

Jack: And it's like, colin, this is your day, bro. We need you to record Donald Trump and Sleepy Joe fighting to the death.

Cristina: Atop of a flaming white house.

Jack: A flaming white house? Yeah.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Which was set ablaze by the Trump supporters on the second Insurrection.

Cristina: And then somehow the Death Star is coming.

Jack: Yes, that's where Trump is on. He's gonna Be on the Death Star by that point.

Cristina: Oh, he comes down through the Death Star. The Death Star doesn't do anything. It just.

Jack: It's gonna be shooting at Earth with laser. With lasers and stuff. And then all the weird laser weapons that we didn't know Earth had are suddenly gonna, like, random holes on the floor gonna open, and, like, up is gonna come giant laser weapons.

Cristina: How do we have laser weapons in the pyramids? Why do we need random.

Jack: It's not a laser weapon. It's a transportation device.

Cristina: I thought it was both.

Jack: I mean, I guess configure it for that. That was just a theory. The conclusion was it's a transporter.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: It's a teleport across the universe.

Cristina: I thought it was one and then became the other. I don't know.

Jack: That's how the cat people got to the great void.

Cristina: Oh, so we have to find lasers.

Jack: Yeah. And the whole point of getting God is to get to the cat people. So we got a lot of people. There's cat people, there's rabbit people, there's cockroach people, there's reptile people and.

Cristina: No elephant people.

Jack: No elephant people. The flip side, the interesting part about this is that talking back about the groundhog known as God, we suspect that he is in the shadow realm.

Cristina: The shadow who? Oh, the beaver. Okay, groundhog. I mean, groundhog.

Jack: The groundhog known as God is in the shadow realm. And we were talking about how similar some of this stuff sounded to Shinto that also has, like, spirits from this other side and some similar behaviors we've noticed. And the shadow realm and crap like that. And I.

Cristina: You mentioned Shinto and something else. Or you found out that the other thing was. Was actually just Shinto.

Jack: What was the other thing?

Cristina: I don't know. You were con. You thought there was two things.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It turned out just to be Shinto, but. So I went down the Shinto rabbit hole.

Cristina: Rabbit hole. Okay.

Jack: I went down the Shinto rab.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And isn't it weird? There's just like a bunch of supernatural ghostly things and a bunch of sciency s*** that happens around us all the time that the rest of the world doesn't even know happens.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What a weird reality that we exist in.

Cristina: So what's happening in the Shinto rabbit hole?

Jack: So the Shinto rabbit hole we. So I jumped in, I looked at. I did a bunch of extensive research about Shinto to see how accurate we are about spirits and stuff and whether adrenochrome is there and, like, what's happening you know all these details. Okay, so let's go through a couple of things. Shinto is considered the religion of nature.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Similar to Native American spiritualism, it is the only other thing considered to be purely based on nature.

Cristina: Those are the two.

Jack: Yes. And both of these two belief systems do not have scripture. That is very important. They do not have any scripture that dictates anything. So you don't have morality codes. There's no right or wrong.

Cristina: Do you have, like, stories or something?

Jack: No, there's no scriptures. Nothing.

Cristina: There's nothing.

Jack: There's nothing. People made things afterwards of personal experience, but there's no scripture.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There is just the belief that you protect nature. Now, what's weird about this is that these two belief systems happened. One in the United States. Well, not the United States. America before the United States, in Gaia. And the other one happened in Japan.

Cristina: Very opposite.

Jack: Very like. Yeah, we're pretty far away from each other. And the belief systems are very similar. It's both of nature and the spirits of nature and how everything is alive. And you want to create harmony or nature will turn on you, but has.

Cristina: To do with spirits and stuff. Right.

Jack: This is the best way to convey. At least in Shinto. Yeah, it's the best way to convey it as spirits. While in spiritualism, Native American spiritualism, it's closer to, like, all things are consciously living at all times, even in a way we don't comprehend. But if you were to simplify it, it's ultimately the spirit of the thing. Okay, so those are, like, baseline things to think about. The spirits are called kami, at least in Japan, in the Shinto, because we're not really talking about Native American spiritualism. Visit that one day. And it focuses on the spirits that inhabit all things. So rivers, mountains, waterfalls, everything that's in nature. Yeah, the natural world, the spirits of the natural world. And a lot of the traditions that take place, take place around shrines. And shrines are usually placed next to whatever thing it is that has the spirit that you're catering to.

Cristina: Is the shrine like a gateway or it's just like a tombstone? Like.

Jack: Well, the shrine is possibly a gateway. Could be. It could also be some sort of focal point or something. So we know that we need fear. Fear to, like, sufficient amounts of fear. Summons. That's the best word associated with Shinto. Summons the creature. Right. We know that if you are scared enough, you can summon a wet judge. You can summon a. By accident. Not literally summon, but the manifest.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because they need the fear or adrenochrome. Those are the two things?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So they manifest on this side from the should they exist in the shadow realm. And the more concentrated fear there is, the more they can manifest on this side as a sort of ethereal kind of being. It looks like the shrine's purpose is ultimately something along those lines. Obviously, the teachings of Shinto don't say it that way.

Cristina: Don't include fear or blood or anything.

Jack: The shrine is where you go to worship the kamiyah and offer your offerings towards the kami. So you go there to pray, you take it food, you take it money, you do these things for the kami. Great. Fantastic. Phenomenal. But the reason that you pray to the kami and this actually goes to the priests. So there's priests that usually take care of the shrine, and the priests are usually called kanushi. The kanushi, they're praying to him? No, the people are praying to the kami.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The priests purpose there is to maintain the shrine and also be part of the offerings and things that are given to the kami. He helps and assists with all that, maintains the shrine, keeps it clean and helps along with worship when people. When there's celebrations and stuff, when the seasons change and stuff, there's worship rituals and whatnot. But the purpose of these worships and the very specific purpose of the kami, which I found very fascinating that they chose this word selection, was to establish harmony between humans and the kami. The idea being that the kami are otherwise naturally hostile to people, which I find interesting.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then there's a location where you can bring it things. There's a. So how the prayer goes, you bring it the offering, you ring a bell to attract its attention, you clap and then you pray. So you give it an offering. Yeah, the bell. You bring the offering first. You ring the bell to attract its attention, you clap, and then you pray. And so you've attracted its attention and the process begins. And then you pray and whatever. And so you're trying to make it happy. The commie is trying to be happy because you're trying to make it.

Cristina: But the priest is making sure that it won't like attack or something.

Jack: Yes, the priest guides the big rituals. And the priest is there consistently keeping the kami at bay or unaggressive.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: So that's very, very interesting because there is aggression there which falls perfectly in line with the creatures of the shadow realm when they manifest on our side, at least the majority of them, they manifest. And they seem aggressive.

Cristina: Yes, they do.

Jack: Which I Find interesting.

Cristina: Maybe because they're not offering the right things.

Jack: No, the offerings are to bring them down.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The offering is to calm it down. So they are creatures. Now, here's the interesting point. You come here to give it an offering to assist with calming it down. You're already assuming it needs to be calmed down. You have a tiny little bit of fear.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: And there's a focal point where, throughout the course of the day, many people are gonna pass by that same spot.

Cristina: With enough fear building up throughout the day.

Jack: Yes. Tiny little increments, but enough people throughout the course of the day. Weeks, months. Just feeding this commie and allowing it to remain on this side.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: There is a way to summon these things intentionally.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And the shrine is the way to do it.

Cristina: And sometimes they are aggressive to people. They probably have killed people too, in stories that they've told of these things.

Jack: Yeah. 100%. It's totally possible. And, yeah, the stories do say that there are, like. Of course, there's no way to prove it, but there's also no way to disprove it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So it seems like, yes, the shrine is a focal point, a gateway. I don't know. Because it seems like the only real way across for somebody from this side is adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yeah. And for them, who knows how they get here? Fear they have. Oh, fear.

Jack: They manifest with fear.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So a shrine allows a focal point where people continuously cross. They keep coming to the same spot with that same amount of fear. You're coming there to. Hopefully I can help in assisting the angry kami. Calms down.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so that happens 20, 30, 40, 50 times a day.

Cristina: And it's slowly feeding on you.

Jack: And it slowly feeds on that energy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And allows it to remain on this side. While if the shrines were destroyed and people were no longer coming through, Maybe there'd be nothing.

Cristina: Maybe there'd be nothing. No, that can't. That can't be right.

Jack: It needs the fear to manifest. This was tactically placed here by somebody who was fully aware of the kami ahead of time. And allowing the kami to manifest, it's possible that the first iteration of the groundhog known as Jehovah, was through some sort of shrine. Not only that, we can argue that if people are collecting on the same field around the same hole around the same time every year.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Waiting for this groundhog is the equivalent of being around a shrine.

Cristina: I don't know if they need a shrine, though. I feel like they can come around anything, but it's just Easier to get to the trine because they know that's the spot where this food is. That will be easy for them. Because I'm pretty sure they've been attacked in other places. Like there's a lot of stories of being attacked near water.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. You're missing the point super entirely. It's places where fear is dominant.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That is the whole point. The shrine doesn't matter.

Cristina: No.

Jack: It's the fact that people come with fear to the shrine throughout the day.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If you remove the focal point, then there's no manifestation at the focal point. You've reduced how much percent. There's a hundred thousand shrines in Japan.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: If you destroyed all hundred thousand and people just stopped coming because there's no more shrines to go to. You're not collecting the fear energy anywhere.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And thus you have less creatures from the shadow realm coming to the mortal realm.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Now God the groundhog is doing the same thing with people collecting to tell us the weather, the seasons or whatever f*** is happening.

Cristina: Yeah. He has a specific home where he comes out of. Yes.

Jack: And it's really because there's a crap ton of people there. Now these people are already superstitious. And who are the people most likely to believe in religion?

Cristina: Superstitious.

Jack: Superstitious people. So you gather a bunch of superstitious people to follow a superstition around a place in which a person that require and they're fearing what? It's a United States. It's most likely they're fearing God. So a bunch of God fearing people come around and they're already fearing for the season. You know, season. Hopefully our crops, man. Oh my God.

Cristina: We might starve to death in winter.

Jack: Crops manifestation. Groundhog suddenly shows up. It all falls into place.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it seems like the creator of Shinto was fully aware of the shadow realm. Not only that he was trying to merge the shadow realm with the mortal realm.

Cristina: What? He's trying to do what again?

Jack: To merge. Merge it to bring as much from over there over here. So shrines kept popping up and kept popping up as the belief was spread further. Who began spreading the belief?

Cristina: Who?

Jack: There's no way to know. I tried to find. They don't know. Nobody knows. Nobody knows where they know. It began in Japan. They don't know how long ago exactly. And they don't know how it began to spread.

Cristina: It spread outside of Japan.

Jack: It spread outside of Japan, but it began in Japan.

Cristina: Yeah. But can you find shrines outside of Japan?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In other Parts of Asia, primarily.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Interesting. Right? Somebody covered their tracks effectively.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So there was an attempt.

Cristina: It was Jesus. Remember he ran away to Japan after he died. He lived in a town there with his wife and children.

Jack: Interesting. That could totally be the case. And it's possible Jesus is also the one who made the. What's known now as the hole that God comes out of. But it's possible that all these things are perpetuated by the same guy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He was out here in different iterations, taking on different names, like some sort of outlaw on the run, pretending to be different people wherever he was so they couldn't be. So he couldn't be tracked.

Cristina: All this goes back to Jesus?

Jack: All this goes back to Jesus, I guess. That's weird.

Cristina: That's weird. But also, Jesus leads back to God, which I guess is the important thing.

Jack: Yeah, because really, Jesus isn't God. He's a guy who somehow knows about.

Cristina: The shadow realm because he has a special communication with God, though, through the shadow realm, I'm guessing.

Jack: How did he get that communication to begin with?

Cristina: Psst. I don't know.

Jack: I mean, I guess. I guess his drinking blood. Because we know Jesus is the first vampire.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: Which means he has already some form of access to the shadow room. We know he did in fact, die.

Cristina: Yes, but he came back.

Jack: Well, he went to the shadow realm. That means even the Jesus we see.

Cristina: It'S the vampire Jesus.

Jack: That was interesting, because he died as a vampire. Well, he's only a zombie when it's feral.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: And he had the vampire things going on. That's how he was doing his magic tricks and confusing people and crap like that. And then he got killed for being a vampire, essentially. And then because he was so hopped up and so well medicated on adrenochrome, his soul crosses over to the shadow realm, where he then meets God and communicating over there. And not only that, he gets over there and then he communicates with the creatures who have clean passage, like fairies and leprechauns and s***, that they can jump freely from the shadow realm into the mortal realm without needing adrenochrome. And then he's like, oh, you know what? Now that I think about this, there's one guy who's involved in all this, and it always comes back to this.

Cristina: Is it Saint Patrick?

Jack: It's Saint Patrick, bro. It's always Saint Patrick.

Cristina: How's he related?

Jack: Saint Patrick understood the fairies.

Cristina: He did? Well, he was against them, though. He got them out of Ireland. Yes.

Jack: How does he know how to remove a creature that is pure magic.

Cristina: He.

Jack: He had weird. He's like salmon, Dean. He had weird research that the rest of us didn't have access to.

Cristina: Well, supposedly God helped him.

Jack: God wasn't real yet. He had the stories of God and like, you know, all these BS things. Yes, but somehow the fairies and leprechauns, I could freely jump back and forth.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Jesus on the other side, having been a native to decide and the first person to consume copious amounts of adrenochrome, thus allowing him to be the first person to cross over and then realize, holy s***.

Cristina: Maybe he knew the truth about Jesus because we know that the church is keeping secrets because they create monsters themselves.

Jack: Yeah, fair enough.

Cristina: So he might have that knowledge.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. So you think. Well, he's actually. Where? He works for the church.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So you think he knew about the death of Jesus and then St. Patrick decided, what if I can summon. No, you got to know you can summon him first. That's the problem. It doesn't matter what creatures you're making on this side. They fade out to the other side. Then what they're do to going, gone. Okay, great. But how do you know you can bring something back? There's a point here in which shrines are coming up to bring s*** from the shadow realm. That's the part that's missing. And somehow Jesus from that side, already dead, only took three days to figure it out and pop up on the other side.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Was it the fear of his family?

Cristina: What?

Jack: The fear of his family. Now he can see his family from that side. He sees them as ghosts, as faded people walking around. But they don't see him. That's how the shadow realm works. Yeah, so is the fear they're feeling that they're gonna come for us now because we were his family. Did that help him manifest? And then he pops up and he's like, holy, I'm on this side.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Because they kept visiting the grave too.

Cristina: Yes. Maybe the grave created some type of portal he just came through. From their fear, he manifested.

Jack: Yes. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That their continuous visit of the grave created enough focused fear because they're gonna come for us eventually.

Cristina: Maybe not just his family, but like, all the followers.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Anybody on anyone? Yeah.

Jack: And so this immense amount of. We're all gonna die. They killed him. They're coming for us.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's so much fear that he popped up. That he popped up?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I mean, there were 12 other vampires, bro. Let's be real. They were scared, too. They're like, oh, s***, we're next.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There was enough fear going around. And then he pops up, and then a moment comes and he goes. And he's like, okay, I have no idea what the f*** is happening, but I feel I'm fading away. I need you guys to figure out, because I saw the other side and I was there. I was there. Let's call it Heaven. He didn't have a name for yet. Shadow Realm, obviously. But let's call it Heaven. And I'm on the other side. I saw it. I was there. I witnessed it. Look, guys, I feel like the opposite of the feeling I had coming over here is currently happening to me. So I'm assuming if that's the case, it means I'm fading away the same way I faded in before. That happens. I'm here. Look. You guys see me? Everybody sees me. Yes, we all see you. We don't know how the f*** you're here, but, yeah, okay.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Something happened. Figure it the f*** out.

Cristina: And you think they figured it out?

Jack: Twelve apostles who are fully aware and communicated with Jesus firsthand after his death.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And now they know there's something else, and we can bring him back. We don't know how it happened, but we know what happened. He doesn't know how it happened either.

Cristina: And they sent him to Japan after that.

Jack: Well, I don't know. He was already in Japan, probably. Oh, hidden Japan. I don't know. Do some.

Cristina: And then how does Ireland.

Jack: I don't know. I was just assuming that this douchebag who has connections to crap coming in and out was probably connected, but probably not. He's probably just making monsters himself. Who knows? But we know Jesus came back. Yes, probably because of the fear of everybody. And he got it. We know he communicated with everybody. And then he's gone again. Right. Some step is missing there that then led to shrines.

Cristina: Besides that, he just goes there and he makes.

Jack: He probably went and talked to fairies, right? And he's like, do you guys know. Do you guys get it? It's like, well, we have clean passage, but. But the reason you popped up over there is simply because fear, energy pushes you over there. Maybe he got the information from some leprechauns, some fairies. They were just like, well, really? Really. If people are scared enough, some of these creatures have the ability. Most of anything in here can just manifest on that side. Fear is the connecting link.

Cristina: Yeah. I didn't feel like he would have known that somehow because of the Whole blood drinking.

Jack: Well, no, he wasn't drinking blood to cross over. He was drinking blood for its attributes of power.

Cristina: Oh, okay. He was probably knowing that.

Jack: No idea Shadow Realm existed.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Gotta hold the blood. He's like, wow, I'm strong. Holy s***, I'm smarter. He didn't, like, think Shadow Realm. Oh, yeah, Blood equals Shadow Realm.

Cristina: If it makes him smarter. Maybe he figured it out once he was brought back. He was like, oh, crap, I saw that you guys were sad or whatever.

Jack: Like, that's loose, thoughts connected, you need some confirmation. Which I'm.

Cristina: Well, maybe that's what he tested out in Japan with the temple temples. Maybe those were tests.

Jack: I don't think they were tests. I think the shrines were there intentionally. Some information had to be solid. It wasn't like a random gamble. That would make zero sense for him to just conclude.

Cristina: No, because then the world would be covered in temples, though. Why would he just cover one place in temples? I feel like once he realized I don't need these temples, like, this was a good practice and they did work, but I don't actually need it because in other places it still works the same.

Jack: No, no, no, no. Because you're missing one very important piece.

Cristina: What's that?

Jack: How religion itself changed in structure to say, you're not just all gonna die, only those of you who haven't repented. So you can go and ask for forgiveness. Where?

Cristina: The church.

Jack: The church. Okay, now the church has a greater purpose other than it doesn't matter where you are when you are. No. Take your fear to one spot and be cleansed there. Because God now does a cleansing process the same way the kami. You go there, you pray to create that harmony.

Cristina: Yeah. I think he brought that knowledge and then did the church thing. Like that was Tess. It worked out. But he's like, how can I do continue?

Jack: I think it was Tess. I think it was functional. Yeah, I think it was all functional. Because the problem is the date in which this starts is precisely the dates surrounding Jesus. It's all around the first couple of years that we count.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which means it wasn't that he ran tests and then. Oh, they work. Let me go over there and apply it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No, no, no. It happened simultaneously everywhere on Earth.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Everything just changed. To go into the building and you will be forgiven.

Cristina: Oh, at the same time as the temple?

Jack: At the same time as the temples.

Cristina: Huh? I wonder why. I guess just because it made more sense in the different places.

Jack: The problem is we already had churches.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it wasn't doing that beforehand. So it was impossible for us to connect the dots because it was just like, well, religions naturally evolve over time, blah, blah, blah. No, but this didn't exist in Japan.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They just suddenly had shrines.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so that gives us the information we need because at the same time, the shrines showed up also. New Testament forgiving God, so long as you go and get forgiven.

Cristina: Yes, but then it all leads back to Jesus, though.

Jack: It all leads back to Jesus.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes, but it wasn't a test. No, it was definitely not a test. Because if it was a test, there would be a discrepancy in time.

Cristina: No, but I guess he might have tried to bring the church to those places, but it didn't work out. So he was like, oh, these temples worked out.

Jack: No, there's no need for the church. He affected the churches that already existed because there were already churches.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But had there not been churches, he would have just thrown temples because there's no reason to. How long would it take to influence an entire thing with a whole religion? Just abuse the religion they already have.

Cristina: Okay, okay, I see.

Jack: This way you could show up anywhere whenever you want.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: As opposed to slowly picking at, we gotta force religion to. Well, let me show up where my homies are and tell them, hey, guys, I can't show up over there. Go and force religion over there. It might take 300 years, but sometimes.

Cristina: That did happen, though.

Jack: Yeah, but no, they were. They already had their own religion. Oh, and then Christianity tried to force itself on there because while Shinto has a shrine, it doesn't have mass. So people show up independently. Yeah, when they want. There's no central. Nobody controls Shinto. There's no center, focus. So you go, you pray whenever you want, however you want, whatever you feel like it. But you come with that little bit of fear. You don't even realize you have the difference between churches. You can manifest Jesus easy. Put a hundred people in a room all at the same time.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Nevertheless, he tricked everybody into thinking a specific day is better than all the others. So you can. Can get a bunch of people collected in a bunch of places all at the same time and have mass fear energy accumulated, allowing him to move freely through earth.

Cristina: Yes, this makes sense.

Jack: So then they start pushing that where other religions just had small numbers. But important enough was at least he could already show up over there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it was a matter of we need them to be able to believe they could be forgiven or cleansed by going to this specific location, allowing me to manifest. And then Move freely.

Cristina: That's pretty amazing. Maybe he made some type of deal with these creatures because there had to be other creatures that wanted the same type of travel crap.

Jack: Ton of creatures coming through.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Problem is, too many of them are just feral creatures. Yes, a wolf that just ate a human.

Cristina: But that's why the church are fighting those creatures with their own creatures. Oh, maybe they were fighting not for good, but just for control. They have to get rid of those type of aggressive creatures for their own creatures to be okay.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: That's pretty cool.

Jack: I mean, not for their own creatures to be okay. They made creatures to fight the creatures. It was to keep the people okay.

Cristina: Yeah, because they still need enough people to make the fear to get the person that they actually care about moving around and whatever.

Jack: The church probably had no idea. There's no way the church would intentionally allow people to come from the dead. That would defeat too many purposes and too many already established narratives. You gotta understand, a single con man was in charge here. The same con man that was conning everybody all the time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's no giant conspiracy of the Church trying to bring people over?

Cristina: No, I'm not saying that. Just to protect what he wants. Protected? I don't know.

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: That they're fighting off these creatures so that we don't die.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: Because they need that blood to continue doing magic and whatever.

Jack: Got you. Yes, yes. I thought you meant like they wanted the churches and the shrines and crap to bring things from the other side.

Cristina: No, I mean, maybe Jesus, but yeah, Jesus, definitely. And there are other saints because supposedly saints are all magical beings as well.

Jack: Say it again.

Cristina: The saints are also magical beings as well. So they might also be bringing back those people. I don't know. I know. Their blood is magic.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: I don't know if it relates.

Jack: Probably. I'm assuming anybody who worked for the church had some connection to adrenochrome. Ah, yes, because that's the lineage that Jesus left behind. But he left behind a special secret when he showed up in person after his death. And the only people who knew that were the 12 apostles. Aka the other vampires.

Cristina: Yes. You think those vampires are still around?

Jack: They could be. We know that there's ancients. Are those the ancient vampires?

Cristina: Maybe the ancients, yeah, there's some that.

Jack: Are recorded having died. They're in the Bible. You know, they biblically lost their lives. I don't know if all of them dead. I don't remember if all of them died. Those might be the ancients. They might still be around some of. And I know that, man. It's possible that Muhammad is just Jesus by a different name. Because the other question here is, if the fear is consistent enough and you from the shadow realm know how to use it well enough, can you just permanently exist over here? You know, like, if it's permanently. Yeah. So you're wild, wet judge. You're in the shadow realm, and you require fear to show up. People in Japan call you a kami, and they tame you by giving you offerings and distractions, and then you don't hurt people. But you're not aware that you can wander the shadow realm to different pockets of this energy because you're just a wild animal and you're protecting your territory. You're in one area, and it's a similar replica of the mortal realm in the shadow realm. So, you know, like any other animal, you hang out in your territory.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But Jesus is like, I can like, pop in and now where the f*** I want. Because I have the conscious awareness that I can go wherever. Which then brings up an interesting point. People who are haunted by spirits of other people can be haunted by those spirits anywhere they go. You could live in this house, be haunted. You could go across the planet and realize you're still being haunted. And it's because that's a thinking person who's in the other side and knows, yeah, they can go to this other spot and use that pocket of energy.

Cristina: But those aren't ghosts, are they? They're just creatures that look like you're jinn. Yeah, like, I forgot. What's that lady called? The Weeping? No, the Banshee.

Jack: Yeah, the banshee.

Cristina: She can follow you.

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: Follows people. So. And she might not be anyone specific. Although people did come up with different histories of who she might be. Yeah, Just might be people, but might not be people. It's hard to tell.

Jack: Interesting, right?

Cristina: Yeah. Do we die and end up over there? I don't think so.

Jack: Well, this is the most interesting part about all this research is the fact that dead people can become kami according to Shinto belief.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yes. Which tells us a lot of what I'm saying has been confirmed.

Cristina: Okay, what, like, what kind of people become kami? Or it could just anyone.

Jack: Yeah, Anybody could become a kami.

Cristina: They don't have to do anything special.

Jack: Nope. There's no rules in Shinto.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Interesting, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: I wonder how they got that idea. It's got VP's original commie was Jesus. All right.

Jack: Interesting, right?

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: That is what I have found and seems to be quite accurately. So now we have a better understanding of how churches and shrines, the purpose of religion and how the. The first being might have come through and thus established anywhere that there wasn't already a strong force of religion, where people already gathered together in a building. Little places where they can funnel that same energy in a different kind of way.

Cristina: It's everywhere. It's everywhere. Wow.

Jack: It's fascinating, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Anyways, we're running out of time, but conclusions for days.

Cristina: Yes. I think we have a good picture of what's going on. Almost a complete picture. Almost.

Jack: Yes. And it seems that it's possible. It might be possible for us to specifically summon Jehovah without having to wait. We might not even have to go into the Shadow Realm. We could probably just summon him.

Cristina: We could just summon him with the chance and stuff. Or some other way.

Jack: With a shrine. With a shrine bringing enough people scared, particularly of seasons and things like that, that. I guess on the flip side, if we assume that there is a portal inside of the hole, then somehow in a church, there is a portal as well. And somehow there is a way to form a portal. I guess that would be the next step to find out if there is a portal to get to the Shadow Realm without adrenochrome.

Cristina: Whoa. We gotta find that. In a church.

Jack: That would be the best place to start looking, at least.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Anywhere that would have collective amounts of energy.

Cristina: Let's go to that main place. Isn't there a giant. The King Church? The giant church where the Pope lives?

Jack: Yeah, maybe. Maybe he has the portal. Maybe he's going in and out all the time.

Cristina: Ooh, we'll find out.

Jack: Anyways, that is that. That's Shinto for you. Nice little down that rabbit hole. And it seems that it fit. I had the theory and it did.

Cristina: It did.

Jack: It did. It felt very familiar somehow. Anyways, this is actually the first time we talk about Shinto in such detail. I guess.

Cristina: Yeah. Because I think we've mentioned it a few times.

Jack: We've mentioned it, but never really gone into great detail. So we don't really have any reference points for anybody else to go and dive into that. But you can find anything else that we've talked about in any of our previous episodes.

Cristina: We've talked about commies.

Jack: Maybe we've mentioned commies. Yeah. But we've never focused on Shinto as a belief system. But yeah, you guys can definitely find those episodes and a million more on the official website. Greatthoughts.info on Apple Podcasts. On Spotify or anywhere you get your podcasts.

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Cristina: Tell us how to improve. Yes. And also send us bunny emojis. Why not?

Jack: Yeah. Send us a bunny emoji to let us know you listened to this episode.

Cristina: Yes. Let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth, the most important part.

Cristina: Of the universe, with an important breakfast.

Jack: Yes. It's an important part of this complete breakfast. So make sure to open your mouth and scream the show's name to complete strangers on the train.

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. He can't speak. I guess he chooses not to.

Jack: He might choose not to. Who says God speaks English?

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: Right? Like, why would he speak in a way we can comprehend by any means?

Cristina: What would it sound like?

Jack: Would it sound like. I like the. In Supernatural, when they heard Castiel's real voice and it shook and destroyed all the windows, it was just like this crazy loud and it destroyed all the windows and it made them all f****** temporarily deaf and everything.

Cristina: He did that on purpose.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And when they saw him, they went blind temporarily as well. Castiel, like his real form.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Well, the angels real form works like that. Like the God way of. Like you'll be minded.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They use vessels in order to traverse Earth for a reason.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

June 05, 2021

Rambling 131: Mythological Beasts

June 05, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

mythological beats, just conversation, podcast, radio, pokemon, mythology, science, comedy, conspiracy theory

Do black cats have magical abilities? Does any animal have magical abilities? If so, which ones and how did they acquire these abilities to begin with? The duo unpacks the magic of black cats and the folklore in which certain Pokemon are based on this episode of Just Conversation.

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Black Cats
Witches
Pirates
Storm Troopers
General Grievous
Pokemon
Magical Foxes
Mythical Creatures
God Fox

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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Cristina: Welcome to Just Conversations, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

Cristina: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notifications the second new episodes are released.

Jack: Yes. And also, this show is most enjoyable with the listening partner. So be sure to find somebody in the middle of the woods that was just wandering in a casual pace and stop them. Hold your phone out while the show is playing and say, hey, this is just conversation in the woods. In the woods.

Cristina: And you're gonna what?

Jack: Yeah, you can be playing it on your phone. Maybe Spotify. Cause that's where podcasts happen these days. Because Apple's being beat out.

Cristina: Yes. And.

Jack: And so on Spotify, you're gonna. You're gonna podcast, you can play the podcast and you're gonna. I guess if you have it on Apple anywhere, you have the podcast, you can find the podcast anywhere. So go there, play it on your phone. Presumably you can play. I mean, you could bring your computer, you're gonna bring your laptop into the woods, playing the podcast with a boombox on the side that it's connected to.

Cristina: That's mad work.

Jack: Hey, it's gonna work.

Cristina: I feel like people hearing that would just walk away from it.

Jack: If they hear a conversation happening and it's very entertaining, they're probably going to try to find out where it's coming from.

Cristina: Is it nighttime?

Jack: No, it could be in daylight.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They just think, wow, this is really cool. There's somebody having, like a really loud, odd conversation.

Cristina: That is very strange. But be careful in those woods because what if there are, I don't know, black cats in the woods?

Jack: Black cats?

Cristina: Where do black cats come from? Are there wild black cats?

Jack: I would. Of course. Why wouldn't there be? There's.

Cristina: In the woods, there's wild cats.

Jack: I'm sure there's like actual. Just cats, like domesticated cats in the woods.

Cristina: I can't. I don't know. I don't know how. If there's.

Jack: I'm sure, Look, I'm sure it happened like there were cats. There were normal cat, like, big lion things that we tamed and turned into little kitty cats. And then after we had so many of them. They're everywhere.

Cristina: They're everywhere.

Jack: They're everywhere. Everybody lives somewhere with a f*** ton of just wild cats, but they're the domesticated Version of the cat that lives amongst people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Those can still live in the woods or you could still run across like a lynx or some s***. Just casual, tiny, big cat.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, be careful. I guess be careful of that lynx, but whatever. We're worried about black cats right now. Be careful that black cat. Because it can steal your luck. Is that what it does?

Jack: What black cats?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They're allegedly bad luck.

Cristina: Yeah. If they walk away from you, they steal your luck.

Jack: If they walk away from you.

Cristina: I don't. This is a weird way. Like if they walk away from you because that means that they were next to you. But if they come to you, you get good luck. So I don't know how it works.

Jack: Yeah. I don't understand why is it that it coming? So it's the reaper of luck next to you, I guess the reaper of luck.

Cristina: It's the reaper of luck.

Jack: While the grim reaper is the reaper of souls. Or we could say Grimm is the reaper of souls. He comes towards you to either deliver a soul or leaves extracting a soul.

Cristina: And the cat's doing that one.

Jack: The cat would be the same. It's the black cat is the reaper of luck.

Cristina: But how is it walking away from you? Like that means it came by you, gave you good luck, and then walked away to take away the luck.

Jack: I guess the other way would be if you walked up to a black cat. So the goal should be never walk up to a black cat. Always let it come to you. Which is a very cat like thing to do anyways. You don't want to follow the cat.

Cristina: Unless they learn that this is what you're trying to do. Because cats are evil. If they know this is what you're thinking, somehow they're just gonna do the opposite of what you want. No matter what it is that you want, they're gonna do the opposite.

Jack: Yes, that is definitely the case.

Cristina: That's a very cat thing to do.

Jack: Yeah. Cats like to flip everybody off all day.

Cristina: Yeah. So there's Some people think that black cats are bad luck. Some people think they're good luck. The Celtics believe that black cats were sacred. I don't know if they were worshipping the black cats or what were they doing, but they were sacred to those people.

Jack: Yeah. I think they were sacred to the Egyptians as well.

Cristina: Oh, that's cool. They were probably seen as gods there too or something.

Jack: I think so. I think so. Anubis is consistently shown as some sort of cat guy.

Cristina: Yeah. Yes, he is right. One of them as a black cat. Right.

Jack: As a black cat. Yeah.

Cristina: So there's a thing there. And in Scottish lore, black cats, when they come to a new home, it means prosperity. I guess if you adopt a black cat, you're going to get some good luck happening. That's prosperity, right? Good luck still? Yeah, I guess with money, maybe. Yeah, yeah. In Welsh lore, black cats bring good health, but in England, black cats are related to witches and bring bad luck. And sometimes they think the witches, the black cats are the witches, like they somehow transform into people or people transform into cats.

Jack: I wonder where this comes from because like all these creature transforming things, like Dracula becomes a bat.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What the f*** is that about?

Cristina: I think he also becomes a wolf. Wolf.

Jack: Dracula.

Cristina: I think so. I think he turns into many things.

Jack: I think we actually established he's just. Yeah, I think we just. Yeah, he's f******. He turns into just totally non living s*** as well. So I think we established that he's just some sort of shapeshifter. So I guess it doesn't matter.

Cristina: Yeah. So witches are just.

Jack: They're using magic to shapeshift. They can do whatever. F*** too. Yeah, yeah, fair enough.

Cristina: Were they using the same magic that vampires are using?

Jack: Yeah. My question is, is a vampire using magic or is it. Does he. Is it a f******. Just shapeshifter? He's a shapeshifter.

Cristina: Then are wishes, even wishes, like, we're calling them magical beings. But what if they're just shapeshifters that we're calling magical? But you know, they're just shapeshifting, they're just doing what they naturally do, which is.

Jack: Well, that would be wrong because we're assuming they're like, you could become a witch with just practice and training.

Cristina: No, but the ones that they're seeing that are turning into cats, those are.

Jack: The ones that we'd be talking about. If the logic would be, in theory, you could grab a couple of Wiccan books, go home, practice for the next year, meet me in a year and be like, look, I'm gonna turn into a cat.

Cristina: What? Yes, I wanna do that witchy s***.

Jack: That should. That would be the logic. So you're still human. You're not not human just because you're witch.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You just know you're human, who knows magic.

Cristina: But with the black cat on pirate ships, they believe the opposite of black cats, that if they walk towards you, they're bringing bad luck. But if they're from you, they're giving you good luck. And whenever a black cat walks onto a ship.

Jack: Wait, wait, wait. In both Cases, they walk towards you. What?

Cristina: No, the first one is walk. If it walks towards you, it's bringing you bad luck, and if it walks away from you, it's bringing you good luck.

Jack: Okay?

Cristina: And if it walks onto a ship and then walks out of the ship, the ship is gonna sink.

Jack: And. Okay, so let's say a cat did that and the ship didn't sink. Then what?

Cristina: Maybe it wasn't really a black cat. I don't know.

Jack: And, like, why does the cat's fur affect the universe?

Cristina: Because I guess that's just people's superstition about the color black.

Jack: Why did that happen, though? Right?

Cristina: Well, black became evil, and white became black.

Jack: Black evil. And, like, red is a close second.

Cristina: Red is close second. What?

Jack: Red eyes.

Cristina: Red eyes.

Jack: Oh, yeah, the red lightsaber.

Cristina: The red lightsaber. Oh, okay, yes.

Jack: Darth Vader's both. He's black with a red lightsaber.

Cristina: Oh, crap. He's the ultimate evil. What? But I guess all the evil guys are in black with red lasers. Besides the, like, losers that are in white.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. They all have red.

Cristina: Oh, but they don't have lightsabers.

Jack: Who? The.

Cristina: The ones in white.

Jack: The stormtroopers.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: I mean, they're bad guys. I know, but at the beginning, they were good guys. They were only white because they were lying.

Cristina: What?

Jack: They were. They're part of the bad side, so.

Cristina: They were wearing white.

Jack: Well, they're neither good nor bad. They are soldiers, okay? And their orders were, you help these people until you get different orders. And then they did get different orders.

Cristina: To not help those people tonight just.

Jack: Kill all of them. It's like, we're soldiers. This is what we do. We don't question it. We just do it.

Cristina: Was. What's his name? Darth Vader, when he was a young kid and he was training, was his lifesaver black? I mean, red or.

Jack: I believe he had a green one or blue one.

Cristina: Does it change colors once you become evil, though? Or do you just get a new lifesaver?

Jack: I think they gave him a new lightsaber.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Because I was wondering, like, does the lifesaver know you're evil or good or whatever? Because then you could just take the lightsaber away if you know that the person's evil if they get interesting.

Jack: Interesting point, because the idea here is I remember that they picked up the other's lightsaber. I believe Anakin. I believe Obi dropped his lightsaber, and Anakin picked it up, and then he had a blue And a green lightsaber. So, like, they didn't both become green or both become blue. It wasn't him projecting the color.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. So this is just a fashion choice. And then guys and bad guys are.

Jack: General Grievous, who's some sort of robot thing with four arms, picked up their lightsabers. Or actually he was wielding lightsabers from dead Jedi, and they were still blue and green along with his red ones.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Or he had no red ones. I think he killed people for all of them. Okay, so he had two blue ones and two green ones.

Cristina: He can do the same magic trick stuff.

Jack: I don't think General Grievous has the.

Cristina: Force, but he can use the Lifesavers.

Jack: Yes. I. I'm not really sure how the. That. I never really thought. This is so many holes in this garbage. Oh, my God.

Cristina: And we don't really know everything about Is general stuff.

Jack: Oh, man. I gotta look this up at some point.

Cristina: He might be a. What are they called?

Jack: He's some sort of Jedi thing. Yeah. Like, maybe he's not all robot androids be. I'm just assuming he has some humanity.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Yes, I think so. In Japan, though, ladies that are single get black cats because they think it brings them luck with dates and stuff. Like, they'll get more dates if they have a black cat.

Jack: That's interesting. I don't know why that would be the case.

Cristina: I don't know. Because they think black cats are good luck with love. Like the other place thought with health, and another place was, like, with money.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Black cats are needed to go hunting for treasure in Chile from a creature called the carbuncle. It's some magical creature. It looks like a cat or a dog or fireflies. And it's glowy, and it might have a gem that glows on it. There's like a bunch of different descriptions of what it looks like. Kind of like the Loch Ness Monster, where it's just. It looks like something similar to this. Like, they're all describing something that's somewhat similar, I guess, but not really to.

Jack: The Loch Ness monster.

Cristina: No, like in the Loch Ness monster stories, they were like that. Like, some of them saw it. It had a long neck. Some of them were like. No, it had. I don't know, like, the descriptions of the. When we did the Loch Ness monsters, there's a bunch of different descriptions of the creature.

Jack: Those descriptions were pretty similar.

Cristina: Well, the one that was. They saw outside of the car. They saw it outside of the car. And it looked. It sounded like more, I think, like an Alex Gator or something.

Jack: Outside of the car.

Cristina: Yeah. Or a motorcycle or something. They were just driving by the place and they just saw it on the street.

Jack: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like sunbathing or some s*** or something.

Cristina: Yeah. And I don't think that one just. It was described similar to the other ones.

Jack: Yeah. But I feel like the, like, 99.99% of the other ones are kind of the same s***.

Cristina: This one, I guess it's. Whatever. It's very varied of the description except that it's glowy. That's the only thing that they all seem to have in common.

Jack: Can hunt the glowing thing?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because of the cat's glowing eyes.

Cristina: The cat's glowing eyes.

Jack: You ever seen a cat in the dead of dark?

Cristina: Oh, yes. I don't know. Because it has to be specifically a black cat. I don't know why?

Jack: Because black cat powers, man.

Cristina: Black cat powers. Yes. If you want to catch a carbuncle, you want to see a picture of a carbuncle, though. It's a very cute little creature right there. Look at it. It's adorable. It has a gem on its head.

Jack: It looks something between like Jolteon from Pokemon and a Phoenix Fox.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, it does. And it is adorable, right?

Jack: It's basically a Pokemon.

Cristina: Yes. Wouldn't you want to catch that yourself?

Jack: Catching any Pokemon is slavery and kind of abuse.

Cristina: Wouldn't it be like catching a pet or something? Are you saying pets are like that? I don't know, because I'm not talking about catching it and then battling people with your kabunkulo.

Jack: You're talking about putting. Crushing it into a sphere. No, a sphere that is roughly the size of a Pokeball.

Cristina: I don't mean about catching it like a Pokeball with a Pokeball. I mean catching it like, I don't know, with. In a cage cave into some sort.

Jack: Of mythical creature or some s***.

Cristina: Yes. But they think it's real. Okay.

Jack: This is like a Chupacabra.

Cristina: This is the Chupacabra of Chile. And to get the treasure of this is very complicated. And I'm going to share with you how to do this, because it's crazy, but it's awesome. It's crazy awesome. Okay, you see this creature? What you got to do is throw a lasso at it. Then it will disappear with a lasso, and then you got to come back in the morning to see where the lasso is, because it's going to be buried in the Ground, but with a little bit of it sticking out. And you'll know that's where the treasure is. Sort of.

Jack: Because not really the treasure is where the. So you can't catch a creature.

Cristina: No, sadly, this is just for the treasure that the creature has.

Jack: Okay. Now this is some sort of cat thing itself. It's like a fox.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why does it have treasure?

Cristina: It's like the leprechaun, I guess.

Jack: The leprechaun is like a person, so.

Cristina: No, it's not. It's a fairy creature thing. Ghost. It's pretty complicated.

Jack: Pretty self aware. Consciously, like humanoid.

Cristina: So maybe this thing is the same too.

Jack: It just doesn't look it, I guess, but I guess, sure, sure.

Cristina: It looks like a fairy. Who knows it's a fairy.

Jack: It does not look like a fairy. It looks like a fox.

Cristina: It looks like a magical fairy fox thing. Okay.

Jack: Looks like a pretty plain fox.

Cristina: Okay. With the gem on its head.

Jack: Yeah. We'll assume fur colored differently.

Cristina: Okay, well, this fox thing has treasure for some reason. Maybe it just. I don't know why you would have treasure. Maybe like shiny things. It collects shiny things. Like the thing on its head.

Jack: Like birds.

Cristina: Oh, like birds. Yeah.

Jack: Maybe you don't find it in a.

Cristina: Box because it would be weird if you actually find the treasure and it's in a treasure box. Oh, I think it is in a treasure box. Never mind. It's in a treasure box. You do find it in a treasure box. That's amazing. This is a magical fox thing. I don't know. Oh, yes, but. So you go there in the morning, you see the rope, you gotta leave. Well, you don't have to leave. You should leave though, because what you'll need next is a new shovel and a widow. And she has to be holding a black cat.

Jack: A widow, yes.

Cristina: This is part of the plan. I don't know how they came up with this plan.

Jack: Get to the gold.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The treasure. Didn't you already find where the treasure is?

Cristina: It's more complicated than that. That's where it's gonna be.

Jack: Except that it's not there yet.

Cristina: It's not there at all. It was there maybe. And then I guess this cat is magical. So it moves the treasure to different spots, underground, on the ground until it gets tired of using its magic to move it. And then it's there. I guess that's how it goes. That's how I think it works. Because. Okay, so with the new shovel, you're gonna dig that hole and then you're gonna throw the cat in the hole.

Jack: So you can bury the cat in the hole.

Cristina: No. And then the cat's gonna disappear. And then while you're digging the next hole, the cat's gonna reappear in the old lady's hand.

Jack: And the old lady's not gonna freak out.

Cristina: I'm guessing she knows. She's been through this a lot. I don't know how. Like maybe the first time.

Jack: Every town has an old lady whose job it is to hold a cat.

Cristina: The black cat. Yep.

Jack: When you're looking for gold because of some sort of demon fairy fox thing.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know how the first. Like, how they came up with this crazy plan in the first place that worked out like this. They must have tried a million other things right before they thought, like, What? It was this random old widow lady. Like, how did they come get that stuff? How did they get the cat? Did they try dogs? Did they try young girls? Did they try little boys?

Jack: Like, interesting.

Cristina: How many? Okay, so they got. You got the old lady, you got the cat. You keep digging holes, you throw the cat in. Eventually you'll hit the right spa.

Jack: Like, just go rob a bank. It's. It's that era where that's easy to do. What I feel like it would be less steps and you have more chances of succeeding. All these steps and that treasure might not even, like, be great.

Cristina: Yes. And also, if you show any fear, you'll be poisoned when you open the box.

Jack: Sweet. So you'll also die.

Cristina: See? See, It's. It's definitely a treasure. I don't know it's worth risking your life for, but I'm. I'm guessing it's really cool. Like, what would this little ador. Terrible thing be hiding? It must be amazing. It's gotta be. Maybe it's his puppies.

Jack: Maybe it's not even. Maybe it's just garbage. Hoarding garbage sticks.

Cristina: Sticks.

Jack: You open it as it sticks.

Cristina: That's so disappointing.

Jack: It's treasure, not your treasure.

Cristina: Oh, that's. That's crappy. And how did it get the poison in the box?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: That only knows. Like, it knows when you're fear. When you're showing fear, when you're digging holes and then the poison let out. This is. There's a lot of magic happening here with this creature.

Jack: Yeah, it seems to be the case.

Cristina: Yes. So I wonder how they even came up with this weird way of catching it.

Jack: Whoever thinks magic is. Whoever thinks this creature even exists is prone to just crazy s***. So they just like, stack like 12 different superstitions on top of each other.

Cristina: Yes. Also part of the. Besides, if you have any fear, you'll die, of course. But if you don't throw the cat in the hole, you can also die. You have to throw the cat in the hole.

Jack: Even if it won't stay in the hole.

Cristina: Even if it don't. Yeah. Because it's gonna, you know, disappear anyway or whatever. But yes. And you said that thing looks like what again?

Jack: Like a Phoenix Fox.

Cristina: Like a Phoenix Fox. But it reminded you of a Pokemon.

Jack: Jolteon.

Cristina: Jolteon? Why?

Jack: Jolteon kinda looks like Jolteon or Flareon. Flambo is one of the eons.

Cristina: Well, I'm going to say that it's based on. Or I guess the Pokemon that's based on it is Espeon.

Jack: Espeon doesn't have a diamond in its head.

Cristina: It doesn't?

Jack: Oh, Espeon does. I was thinking, for whatever reason, Vaporeon.

Cristina: And it's a psychic.

Jack: Yeah. And I don't know if that fluffy tail like this thing.

Cristina: Well, we don't know what its tail really looks like.

Jack: The one who does have a fluffy tail is Flareon.

Cristina: Yeah, that's true. But it's a psychic. Can we describe these powers as psychic? I don't know. When you have magic powers, is that psychic?

Jack: No.

Cristina: No. Okay, we'll just say that the diamond is what makes it look Espeon.

Jack: Yeah, because otherwise it looks like Flareon.

Cristina: Yeah. And there's another. There's. If so, Espeon is probably based on that, but also another creature, another from another mythology, which is a Japanese one called the Nekomata. And this creature has. It's a cat. It's a really. When your cat gets super duper, duper old instead of, I guess, dying, it just. Its tail will split up into. And then it becomes evil. It becomes evil and wants to eat you.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Yes. That's what the Neca Mata is. There are two types of neck omadas. There's one that lives in the mountain. The mountain ones have eyes like a cat and a body of a dog, which is, I guess, very scary. I don't know, because. What's the. What about the face? No, I think it has the body of a dog. So it has probably the face of a dog with a cat eyes. I don't know if that's really that scary. But they describe it as a beast. I don't know if you think of that as a beast.

Jack: I mean, a beast is anything that's not human.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Well, I guess dogs Are beasts everything that's not human. Oh, okay. So, yes. Well, this beast is very dog like, even though it's a cat. They eat humans and they live deep in the mountains, and they also shapeshift.

Jack: Into humans because everything shape shifts into humans.

Cristina: Yes. And then the other type that I told you already was the domestic cat, Nekomata, which is just a cat that grows old, and for some reason, its tail splits up into two. And that is what Espeon has, if you notice. Its tail is two. Has two tails.

Jack: Yes. Yes, it does, actually.

Cristina: Yeah. And I found one story about this creature. If you want to hear it, go for it. A rich samurai. There was a rich samurai whose house was haunted, and no one could figure out what to do. So he kept bringing in, like, priests and other people to get rid of the spirit, and nothing worked. Until a servant saw that his cat. There was something wrong with the cat. It was holding something in its mouth. I think it was a tiny ghost in its mouth. So he killed the cat. And then they saw that the cat had two tails, and they were like, oh, that's an evil cat. It's an evil cat. Yes. And I think they used to kill or cut off the cat's tails. When you own a pet cat in Japan, so that it won't turn into a nekomara when it gets old, preemptively.

Jack: Just chop off its tail.

Cristina: Yeah. Look at this one. This is a picture of one. And they're learning how to walk on their legs.

Jack: You mean a drawing of one?

Cristina: Yeah, the drawing. It's based on the real creature. These are cats that are. Their tails are split and they're walking onto. Because that's what happens when cats get owed.

Jack: Their tails split in two, and then they just walk exclusively on their hind legs.

Cristina: Yes, yes. So now you know more about Espeon's background.

Jack: Got you.

Cristina: Yes. And there are other Pokemon that are based on very strange mythologies as well, like Ninetales.

Jack: Ninetales? What the f*** is that?

Cristina: Based on a fox that has nine tails.

Jack: Ninetails is a horse, isn't it?

Cristina: What? What are you talking about? Oh, I don't have a picture of Ninetales. I'm gonna show you nine tails.

Jack: Oh, yeah. I was thinking about a horse with a bunch of tails.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: But not as. Not the Pokemon.

Jack: Yeah, it's a Pokemon. Oh. What's Rapidash? Evolves into what?

Cristina: Rapidash is evolved form, isn't it?

Jack: Is it?

Cristina: It's just a big horse. I don't. With a fiery tail. It doesn't have many tails. Ninetales.

Jack: Holy. I don't know why I always picture Ninetales with some sort of a horse.

Cristina: You thought it was a. I mean, it's a really big fox.

Jack: Yeah, it's a huge fox. The previous form is obviously a fox.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This is borderline dog.

Cristina: I can see that. Yeah. It's got a doggish face. It's a. It's a big, big.

Jack: I don't know why I never until this day considered the fact that Ninetales was a f****** fox. And, like, duh. It's just the evolution of baby fox.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which was a tiny little fox with.

Cristina: A really cute hairstyle.

Jack: And then it evolved into this thing that looks nothing like a fox. It's like a dog.

Cristina: Yes, but it is a fox. Because foxes in. I think it's also Japan. I think also maybe in China. But foxes, after growing old, they get more tails throughout their lifetime.

Jack: Is that real?

Cristina: Is that real? No.

Jack: Oh, okay.

Cristina: That would be cool. Well, these creatures, they're called Kitsun, and as they age, they grow extra tails. And when they grow nine tails, they turn white.

Jack: Interesting. And do they become evil or they just become these majestically beautiful kinds of things?

Cristina: There's varying, very varied stories about them. Some of them are good stories, some of them are bad.

Jack: Do they leave trails of fire? That'd be cool.

Cristina: I think they're psychic. They have a bunch of abilities. A bunch of abilities. Also, after a hundred years, they have infinite wisdom.

Jack: This is very interesting because this line up heavily with Shinto.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: It's these creatures. They are probably technically dead, but their spirit.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Is what we're witnessing.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yes. Well, yeah. This pretty much, Instead of dying, it seems like they live. Even though I guess it could be their spirit is living.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And that's really happening.

Jack: Notice the transition from one point to the other.

Cristina: That's why it's white now instead of.

Jack: The orangey seamless move into a spirit form.

Cristina: Amazing. Wow.

Jack: So in the case of, like, creatures that guard, like, the spirit of the ocean or that, like, something has to die and then become the thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But one of these creatures could be a mythical. Think of like, you remember Suicune, the movie of Pokemon, saying, you know, singing on the Pokemon theme, that it was in the woods, like one of the legendary.

Cristina: Something. No.

Jack: When they went back in time.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: And there was the blue dog thing that was chasing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's the spirit of the forest or the woods or some s***. Or the lake. That's in there or some crap like that. Now, the assumption here is that was just a dog at some point, and then that dog lived very long, and then that dog transitioned to being the spirit of that place, but you never see the dog die. I think the same thing would apply here.

Cristina: I think they said that dogs were somehow related to the spirits of that Ghost Tower thing where all the dead Pokemon were kept.

Jack: I don't know. I'm relating to Shinto.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Like, if this was Shinto, that's what would be happening. You never see the death of the.

Cristina: Pokemon because it didn't die. The next stage of life.

Jack: Yeah. Sort of like what I think would happen if we died. People would see our body die, but we wouldn't see ourselves die. We would just be like, hey, I'm here. This is weird. What's happening?

Cristina: Yeah, that's interesting. Whoa.

Jack: So these creatures that just move forward, like, transform into this other thing, and to them it's just, well, I'm here. I'm doing my thing.

Cristina: Yes. But these things are. These creatures are so incredible. Like, infinite wisdom.

Jack: What the f*** does that even mean?

Cristina: I don't know. That's amazing. It sounds amazing. I don't know if that's actually an.

Jack: Amazing ability that makes it impossible to catch because it's always wiser than you are.

Cristina: Yes. I remember some stories where they can turn into people. They like to turn into girls for some reason. And if they get drunk, they might end up like. Like a tail might pop up. But that could be before they get their nine tails. Is when they're a little bit more riskier and they'll do something. And the tail. They won't be able to hide their tail. They sometimes do show off their tail, so I don't know. Well, how infinite ones them helps them. So it's probably that they get it. I mean, they. By the time they reach infinite wisdom, they probably stop pretending to be humans and things like that, because they weren't doing very good at that. They weren't very good at that. So I'm guessing that's a younger fox. Yeah.

Jack: They don't have the infinite wisdom and maturity.

Cristina: Yeah. They also have gained the ability to see and hear anything anywhere in the world. They're omni. Whatever.

Jack: Omnipresent.

Cristina: Yes. Is that something omniscient? I don't know which one. There's so many omni stuff. The Omni one with hearing and seeing.

Jack: Yeah. I think omniscient covers all the bases.

Cristina: And when they get. And after a thousand years, they become Gold. I wonder if we'll see that in the Pokemon world.

Jack: First they become white, then gold.

Cristina: Yes. They either turn white or gold after a thousand years. Yeah. I thought it was at 100 years. But at 100 years they should have all their tails by a hundred years. But if they don't, then by a thousand years when they have it, they'll change the color which would be either white or gold.

Jack: Interesting, interesting. So they just live forever. They're immortal.

Cristina: They're immortal, yes. Who's counting these ages? What human is like, okay. Or are they? I guess because they're in their wisdom and whatever. Like they gotta be pretty human. They. You have to be able to count the years. Right.

Jack: Guess the stories down.

Cristina: Yeah. These foxes, like the people who kept.

Jack: Track of that like 700 year old turtle or whatever the f*** it was like the great, great, great, great grandparents had a photo with the turtle.

Cristina: Oh, that's so sick.

Jack: It was. There was a drawing of the turtle originally. Because there weren't cameras.

Cristina: Oh. And it just. That was the proof that it was the same turtle.

Jack: Yeah. Cuz the turtle stayed in the family.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then they just. There was like 12 or 13 sketches of the turtle. Because it would take. It would have a new thing done per generation. So I'm the father. I had it. My son is gonna do one with the turtle too. It's a family turtle.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: His son is gonna do one with the turtle. Eventually cameras happened.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we transition over. And it's really huge. Black and white.

Cristina: That's awesome.

Jack: Not even black and white. That's sort of like orangey old school film.

Cristina: And you said how long?

Jack: It was like 700-year-old turtle.

Cristina: 700-Year-Old turtle?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: It's a crazy old turtle that's older than a white fox. Oh my gosh. So turtles live forever.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Then they'll never become the spirit turtle.

Jack: Because they'd have to die in a seamless transition.

Cristina: Yes. But if those powers weren't crazy enough. There's so many powers. So many. They can possess people. They have fire and lightning. They are a Pokemon. They can appear in other people's dreams. They can fly.

Jack: The f****** omniscient part is what's crazy about this.

Cristina: It's just like see and hear everything.

Jack: And be everywhere all at the same time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like it's God. They just become God.

Cristina: It could create illusions. So. Yes. Like what? What?

Jack: Interesting. Just morph into a God.

Cristina: And those are its baby powers. The greater powers. You're not ready for this. Birth universes able to bend time and space.

Jack: Right, Right.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: That's very suicune.

Cristina: Mm. They can drive people mad. Which isn't that crazy already because of all the things they could already do.

Jack: To you, like weak sauce.

Cristina: And also shapeshift into tall trees or a second moon in the sky.

Jack: That's pretty hardcore.

Cristina: That's pretty hardcore. So if we ever see a second moon in the sky, you know, it's this white fox.

Jack: It's a fox. Another giant object about to collide into the moon and destroy our entire solar system as we know it. Yeah, it's just a fox.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh. And like succubus, they could drink the life out of you if they wanted. Through sex.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Why? I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. My question would be, like, would they want to, though? Like, they can if they wanted to.

Cristina: But they want to. I don't know. I guess they would because I guess.

Jack: It would be like different personalities and some are like, imma be the bad.

Cristina: Yeah. Because some are, I'm guessing, bad and some are really good and rainbow of them. Yes. Because there's some that just get married to a guy and then, like, he finds out what she is and she runs away.

Jack: In love, death and robots. There was a spirit girl who turned. Gets turned into, like, a robot, which, by the way, watch. Love, death and robots. Audience, this is just. Just pay attention to that show.

Cristina: Beautiful stuff.

Jack: But, like, that was that thing.

Cristina: I think so. I think it was the kitsune.

Jack: Yeah. It was just some iteration of that where she didn't have many tales. But it was the same thing.

Cristina: Yes, it was just a fox, spirit creature thing. I think it's like the Irish folklore where fairy can be considered a creature, a ghost, you know, all those combination of things. But it's still one type of thing. I feel like this fits into that.

Jack: I feel like too, because it's not necessarily a spirit. It. It's not really. But it's like. It's kind of getting there. It's getting to the point where it's not alive in our understanding of alive. It just ages into transcendence. That doesn't make sense.

Cristina: That doesn't.

Jack: It must be dying in the course. And the death it goes through is so different than what we understand as death.

Cristina: Yes, but we just. Yeah, we just don't understand it. So.

Jack: And it's. It died and now it's this new thing. Or we. We have to divide evolution into two things. There's gradual natural evolution and then there's celestial evolution, which happens in one Moment to another phase.

Cristina: Like, phase like. Yeah, but like, everyone around you would see death, though. Is that what it would be or.

Jack: No, in the case of just people. Yes. You just died and now you're always dead. In the case of one of these creatures, it seems like. Well, no, I hit the point. Bright light. Oh, my God, it's blinding. Light goes away. It's a different thing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Except even if we don't see that moment that happened there somewhere.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Where it's like it's slowly gotten wider and wider and grown extra tails, and at some point it started phasing in and out of existence.

Cristina: Like in Pokemon, where it's just one minute they're one thing, the next is another thing.

Jack: Yeah. It would be a quicker evolution than like humans evolving.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It takes us millions and millions of years. Theirs happens in the course of their lifetime.

Cristina: Yes, man. Ninetales are pretty cool, man. That anime was so awesome. Not anime that love death and robots. Love Death and robots episode. It's pretty cool, but yeah. So this Psychic Fox thing is probably what Ninetales was based on, right? We can agree to that.

Jack: I think so.

Cristina: Think so. And then in 1955, it was five adults and seven children. They went to the police station because they claimed that small aliens from a spaceship was attacking their farm. And they were in a. Like a shoot off with these aliens. And then the cops went to the farm just to make sure that they weren't like, attacking their neighbors instead or something. Because I don't think they assumed aliens. And they looked around and they only found the shells from the guns and hoes around the barn area. So there was shooting happening, but they couldn't find the aliens, Right?

Jack: Sounds about right.

Cristina: Yes. And the description of the aliens, Sableye, was inspired from this UFO encounter.

Jack: It. Wait, this came after that?

Cristina: Yeah. This is from the. Yeah.

Jack: And this is third generation, Right. This is like where it was still cool.

Cristina: Where it was still cool Pokemon.

Jack: Yeah. Before Pokemon got whack.

Cristina: Yeah. Who knew? They based things off of real weird events. I know, like they based on items and creatures and stuff, but aliens. I mean, they do have some aliens in the Pokemon world as well. Like Clefairy.

Jack: Yeah. She's a literal alien.

Cristina: She's a literal alien. Yes. So Sableye is also, or at least based on a real alien. That's pretty. That's probably one of the most interesting. The Pokemon. A lot of them are based on mythologies, or not a lot of them, but some of them are based off of mythologies and stabilized based On a real quote unquote event.

Jack: Yeah. There's a bunch of Pokemon based on a bunch of different things that are going on. Anywhere from just inanimate objects, animals to mythology, different mythical creatures and gods of different sorts as well as totally inanimate things. And like f******. Just not even inanimate things, but things that you couldn't hold. Like pollution.

Cristina: Pollution, yes. That's my favorite Pokemon pollution. Yeah.

Jack: Natural trash wonders like volcanoes are also Pokemon.

Cristina: Oh yeah? Yep. But did you know ghost too?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Do you know the Pokemon Mawile? Mawile. I hope that's you how you pronounce it. It's a plant Pokemon. And it has like a. A giant leaf on its head. And it has like a giant mouth in the back of its head.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: Malwa is based on Furikuchi una, which is literally means two mouthed lady.

Jack: Because there's a lady with two mouths in some folklore.

Cristina: Yes, it happens because she. Because she doesn't like eating or something. She doesn't want to eat. And the mouth. And I guess her body's still hungry even though she's not. She's choosing not to eat. So it's develops a mouth and then its hair is turn alive like a. Like an octopus legs or something, whatever. And it grabs the food and forces it inside the mouth that's hungry. Well, it doesn't force it into the mouth. It helps the mouth eat because she won't eat.

Jack: So it's one mouth forcing. It's one mouth being forced to eat.

Cristina: No, the no mouth is being forced to eat. The hungry mouth is eating. The hares is helping it eat.

Jack: Oh, I understand.

Cristina: Not her main mouth. Her main mouth does not want to eat. So she doesn't eat. But then the other mouth is made and then it just starts eating for the both of them. So she ends up eating double instead of one normal meal. Because she was just too. I don't know. I don't know why she chose. She chooses not to eat until she's anorexia.

Jack: Yes, it's the anorexia Pokemon.

Cristina: Yes. So most of these stories involve her marrying some guy who's like really greedy and he doesn't like to waste his money. So he sees this. This lady who doesn't eat and he's like whoa, Imma save so much money with this lady. And so they get married and then because she doesn't eat, she develops the.

Jack: Mouth and then the mouth eats the guy.

Cristina: No, he just gets scared when he see he finds out because I wonder if there's a Story. I haven't read one, though, of him finding out that she attacks him. There's probably horror movies like that, though. But yes. Then there's a Pokemon called Dunsparce. You know that Pokemon?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: It is so adorable. It is the cutest Pokemon ever. No, they're all cute. A lot of them are cute. Okay. And Dunspar is based on a creature called Sushi no Ko, which is like Japanese Bigfoot, which not like, doesn't look like him, but it's like a version of Bigfoot for them. Like, they see this creature, but there's no proof of its existence. And the Sushi no Ko looks pretty much like what the Pokemon's based on. It looks like a fat, fat snake that's had, like the body in the middle is super fat. Like it's just eating something.

Jack: And how does it move?

Cristina: It moves very oddly. It moves. It moves like a slug or snail. Like, I don't know, like it's going back and forth, forward.

Jack: Like it expands and contracts over and over.

Cristina: Yeah. Which is. I wish I could see this creature move. So, yeah, this is like an overweight, a fat snake that instead of slithering, it just moves forward. It's adorable. And the legends say that it can leap great bounds. It could leap over buildings and etc. And that's why they think the Pokemon has its little wings that it has. You know, it has these cute little wings that it probably doesn't use in the poke world. You know, those little things. So that's probably why it has it, because the creature is known to jump.

Jack: So it's like Magikarp.

Cristina: Like Magikarp, yes. Is Magikarp known for jumping over mountains?

Jack: Over mountains, yeah.

Cristina: So then it turns into a dragon. Although Magikarp is also based on a mythology, you know. You've heard of that one though, right?

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: I think it's Chinese. It's carps just trying to get up a mountain where there's a gate up there, the Dragon Gate. And if they can get up there, which is really hard to get there, they turn into a dragon. And that's Gyarados. So it's based on both magic.

Jack: Japanese dragon, too? No, it's a Chinese. Right. It's very Chinese dragon.

Cristina: It's. Yeah, I think it's Chinese. Yes. Yes. Some Tsuchinoko can speak. And they also love to drink alcohol, which is awesome. Wouldn't you want that as a pet? It's a fat worm that. What is it? Like, it moves towards you in a weird slug like way and likes to Drink alcohol and speak to you.

Jack: I wouldn't want that. Now that's weird.

Cristina: What? Who knows what Hit wants to say to you? Although it does have the habit to lie. So maybe it's a good thing that you don't want to talk to it. What could it be lying about? I want to know. It's lies.

Jack: Maybe it's sarcastic lying. Maybe it's like, yeah, man, I was gambling outside and it's like you've been slowly been creeping around the house the whole day just pretending it had like a real cool. Like, I bet you don't know where I was today. Like, I've seen you crossing the living room for the past seven days. Yeah, you've been nowhere.

Cristina: Oh my gosh, what an awesome fact. Oh, that is so awesome. I hope it's exactly like that.

Jack: Always just sarcastically cracking stupid jokes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There aren't necessarily lies as much as they are just sarcasm.

Cristina: Yeah. That's beautiful. And it's always has some excuse of why the beer bottle is empty or whatever.

Jack: And he knows, you know, but he's also like totally not like being upfront about it.

Cristina: Yes. So awesome.

Jack: Where's that beer can empty? I don't know. I found it like that.

Cristina: Man, they should make this Pokemon even more like the Sunoku because it already looks like it. Why not make it behave like that? That is awesome. Not very kid friendly though.

Jack: No, it's very adult content.

Cristina: Well, if they ever want to make Pokemon an adult contest type of show. Because they do that. They do that. This creature also likes to swallow its tail and it rolls around like a wheel.

Jack: What does that mean?

Cristina: Like a wheel? Like in a circle. Like it has its mouth. The tail is in its mouth, so it's a circle on it.

Jack: So it just becomes an Ouroboros at random?

Cristina: Yeah, it becomes an Ouroboros. They think it's similar to a hoop snake. Have you heard of a hoop snake that's a legend in America and Australia.

Jack: I haven't heard of a hoob snake.

Cristina: Well, I guess over here in Australia and in Canada, people have seen snakes bite their tail and turn into wheels. I don't know. That's a really wild. Snakes are weird, I guess. I don't know if any pet snakes have done that, but they swear they've seen snakes do that in the wild, I guess. That's so cool. What do you think about Sneasel?

Jack: Great Pokemon. It's kind of overpowered.

Cristina: What type of Pokemon is it? A dark Pokemon?

Jack: Yeah, it's a dark. Dark and normal or some s***. I'm not sure. Maybe it might be pure dark. I'm not sure.

Cristina: The sneasel is based on a Japanese creature called the Kama Itachi, which is the words for sickle and weasel.

Jack: Sickle, weasel, Sickle, weasel.

Cristina: Which. It looks like a weasel with sickles for its hands. It.

Jack: It doesn't really look like a weasel. No, really, it looks like, physically like our metaphoric definition of a weasel. Like a sneaky person.

Cristina: Oh, it just looks like a sneaky person.

Jack: Yeah, it's.

Cristina: You wouldn't trust that guy.

Jack: No, it's probably gonna steal some s***.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, these kami. These kama Itachi are so, so scary. They're so scary. They're sneaky for sure. They like to. They like to hunt in three, and they move very quickly around you. The first one knocks you down. The second one uses its long sickle like hands and cuts your leg off. And the third one heals your wound. And then you don't realize you were attacked because they're stealing parts of your leg. They're stealing meat to eat for later. Cause that's cool. Oh, my gosh. That's horrifying.

Jack: That's pretty f***** up.

Cristina: Yes. You would just think that you were tripped, but that's what really happened. Why you tripped. That is the story of why you tripped. These three sneaky creatures ripped your leg off. Well, they didn't rip your leg. Oh. They ripped your leg open, took some meat, and then sewed it back up like nothing happened.

Jack: So never notice.

Cristina: Yep. What?

Jack: No harm, no foul.

Cristina: No harm. Like tripping over there? That sucks. What? I mean, I guess it could be happening over here and you wouldn't know because they move so fast. There's a Pokemon called the Manectric, which has. It's very bluey and yellowy and it's electric. And it's based on a Japanese legend of Raiju, which is a thunder wolf or dog. Thunderdog. Thunder beast. It's a thunder animal. It could be anything, really, because it has many different. You know how the other one had a. It could be a cat or a dog or flies or fireflies for the carbuncle. Well, this one, it could be a cat or a dog or a mouse. It could be a fish. It could be a squirrel. There's so many different.

Jack: So it's a shapeshifter.

Cristina: Yes, I guess so.

Jack: But the main form, by saying it's a shapeshifter.

Cristina: Yes, but the main form, I guess, that it likes to. It prefers, is a dog. And this dog when it walks around, its body is made out of lightning. And in bad weather, it likes to run around. And that's why you see lightning and thunder, because that's it jumping around everywhere.

Jack: It's hanging out in the sky on.

Cristina: Top of buildings and trees and stuff. Wherever you see, like, marks, burnt marks where lightning has struck, that's really the Raju.

Jack: Okay, that makes sense.

Cristina: Also, another Pokemon that might be based on this is Raichu, which is also electric, but it's the mouse. But this thing looks like whatever, so there could be any electric Pokemon based on this.

Jack: It's like almost all folklore are about some sort of shapeshifter.

Cristina: Yeah. My favorite thing of this Raju creature is it's the companion of Raijin, who's the God of lightning. And whenever he looks for him, he strikes at him to wake him up from where he sleeps. And where this creature likes to sleep, sleep is in belly buttons.

Jack: So he becomes microscopic? Not microscopic, but super tiny.

Cristina: Yes. So people during thunderstorms lie on their stomach so that it won't sleep in their belly button. Also, there's stories that he only sleeps on your belly button if you're sleeping outside. Fair.

Jack: That makes sense.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. It's a cute story. It's not a cute story because I guess you die in the end of that story. But it likes to sleep in your belly button. I don't know why, but it does. I want to see that Pokemon turn into a tiny thing and, like, sleep in Ash's belly button. No, that would be weird. That would be really weird. But there's a legend about this creature about. In a stormy night, a samurai drew his sword in the right time because he struck something. A lightning bolt. And of course it. Well, when he struck the lightning bolt, the whole area became smoky. And he didn't see what happened until the smoke cleared. And then he saw a dead Raiju on the ground.

Jack: Why did he attack lightning?

Cristina: I don't know. Because he thought his blade could do something. I feel like that would kill him.

Jack: Though his blade did do something. But, like, why did he know?

Cristina: He's got six sense. 10 cents. He's got super sense. That's how great it is. I guess the highest level of samurai in this. Is there belt in samurai? Is there, like, a high samurai level of, you know, like in karate?

Jack: I have no idea.

Cristina: Then there's Ho Ho. You know Ho ho.

Jack: Ho oh.

Cristina: Ho oh. You know Ho oh. Can you guess what Ho oh was based on?

Jack: Ho oh.

Cristina: It is a firebird. How many firebirds do you know it's a phoenix? Yes, it's a phoenix. It's a phoenix. In Japan, the phoenix is called Ho. Oh.

Jack: Ah.

Cristina: So, yes, they didn't really switch up anything. It's really just the phoenix in the game. There's no magic happening there. I mean, it's not really based on. It really is just. Just the Phoenix. It's just the Phoenix. When it comes to those birds, is there just one in the world or are there multiple?

Jack: That is a fantastic question. There are three legendary birds. Three legendary dogs. Mew, Mewtwo. We at least know Mewtwo for a fact. There's only one. Yes, there's Lugia. Ho. Oh, and like, what about all the Regis? What about Celebi? What, like, is there one of these m************? Just one of each.

Cristina: How does that work?

Jack: Where the f*** did it come from?

Cristina: Yes. Unless the God monster, the God Pokemon made them.

Jack: I think so.

Cristina: Is one of them.

Jack: I think so. I think it comes. It breaks down in that fashion.

Cristina: But what happens when one dies?

Jack: They're gone.

Cristina: They're just gone.

Jack: Yeah. I think it starts at the God Pokemon, Whatever the f***. Arceus.

Cristina: I have no idea.

Jack: Then created the universe. And Mew is Jesus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Mew made the living things.

Cristina: Well, then that's not very Jesus. Like, God made everyone.

Jack: So I guess he's God.

Cristina: Yeah, he's really God.

Jack: Because Arceus is the God of the gods.

Cristina: Yeah. They're just seeing the Christian God is made by this other God.

Jack: Yeah, the Christian God was made by Arceus.

Cristina: Yeah. Maybe there's a Pokemon called Whiscash, which is a catfish Pokemon. Or I think it's a giant cat. I would say it is.

Jack: It's a catfish.

Cristina: It's a catfish with giant whiskers. Very simple. It's based on a catfish creature. In Japan, in the Japanese myth, there is a catfish named Namazu, which likes to create earthquakes and stuff just by flapping its tail. It's just so huge that it creates earthquakes.

Jack: And this Pokemon is that big?

Cristina: I don't think it's that big, but it has attacks that are similar. It creates earthquake attacks. Isn't that a Pokemon attack?

Jack: Water and ground?

Cristina: Yeah, it's water and ground. That's exactly the type. Is there many water and ground? Because isn't ground weakness to water? So, yeah.

Jack: So this Pokemon's particularly overpowered.

Cristina: Well, yeah, there's Zap. Zapdos. I don't know if we talked about Zapdos. Not Zapdos, but what he's based on which is the Thunderbird. I don't know if we talked about the Thunderbird before.

Jack: The f*** is a Thunderbird?

Cristina: Okay, good. Well, Thunderbirds are mythical creatures that the Native Americans believed in, right? And they created thunders and they control lightning and all that stuff. Good stuff. And they like there was a bunch of different tribes and they have all these different ideas of it and most of it revolves around like they're here to either watch over us, to see that we're doing the right thing, you know, like good or bad or whatever. And they'll punish us if we're bad. There's some like they. They're fighting water creatures. There's like giant snakes or giant water creatures that they. That are the enemies of these birds for some reason. So they have this epic fight and that's what's creating those thunderstorms and stuff is just the fight of these animals.

Jack: Like Battle of the Titans or something.

Cristina: Yeah. So it's some underworld creature versus giant bird creatures. There's a Pokemon called Golok which looks like a robot. He looks like a giant robot?

Jack: Yeah, he's a Golem, not a robot.

Cristina: He's a Go. Well, he is a Golem. He's based on a Golem. How can you tell he looks like. I mean, besides this picture that I have of him next to the Golem he's based on. How could you tell he's a Golem?

Jack: Does not look like a robot to me.

Cristina: I don't know what a Golem looks like.

Jack: Sonic Ripoff Eggman designed robot. Are you talking about he looks exactly.

Cristina: Like a Sonic Ripoff.

Jack: I see that. I see exactly why you think he looks like a robot.

Cristina: What do you think he looks like a Golem? What Go have you seen?

Jack: He looks like every. Every Golem looks like that. They're all the same s***.

Cristina: They're all just giant creatures. Oh, there's a Pokemon called Golem. He doesn't look like a Golem.

Jack: Yeah, Golem isn't a Golem.

Cristina: He's not a Golem.

Jack: No, Golem is not a Golem. Golem is a rock. He's specifically a Indiana Jones esque boulder.

Cristina: But those golems all look like different things. Like maybe it is a Golem made out of rocks. No, some of them look fiery.

Jack: Like there are golems made of rocks. But Golem is an Indiana Jones boulder. The one you push off and then roll down the hill.

Cristina: Oh my God.

Jack: That's what he is.

Cristina: Why did they name him Golem? This Pokemon deserves that name. But Golek Golurk. But to Golurk is based on a golem that helped the Jews from one of the many times that they needed help. Because they needed help.

Jack: So golems are biblical?

Cristina: Yes, I guess so. They're Jewish creatures. The Jews make them, and they're magical.

Jack: Jews make golems.

Cristina: I guess they got magic. That's why the Christians hate them. They're like, magic is evil. And we came from that. That is evil. I don't know. I don't know how it works. Maybe they're jealous of that power because.

Jack: They don't have it.

Cristina: They don't have it, Exactly. They've lost. They've lost the powers of creating golems.

Jack: Chew magic.

Cristina: Yes. Well, if you see in the picture, the specific golem in the story has. What would you call those bandages? And the Pokemon golem has that too, you know, I don't know what's called the. And the symbols on it is just, what, magic writing on it, I'm guessing, like runes keep it alive. Like runes? Do they know runes? I don't know. Well, it could be a combo of things, I guess. But in the Pokedex, it says that they're created by the ancient people with the goal of protecting humans and Pokemon, which is what the regular golem is created.

Jack: That's what my golem in Minecraft does. It protects us from creepers and things of such nature.

Cristina: So all golems. Golems are made for that purpose.

Jack: But some golems become evil.

Cristina: They do.

Jack: I don't know. Maybe they're owned by a bad guy. They're just protecting whoever made them, I think. Whoever they're cast to protect.

Cristina: Oh, so they're not really good or bad.

Jack: Yeah, they're probably not even conscious.

Cristina: Yeah, probably.

Jack: There's nothing going on. It's just.

Cristina: Are they like Frankenstein?

Jack: Well, no, that's alive.

Cristina: Oh, okay. It's not alive.

Jack: No, it's not. It is. He's biological.

Cristina: What level of alive is he?

Jack: He's closer to, like, fire, I guess.

Cristina: Okay, but you.

Jack: I guess. He's not alive. Alive. He's. He's alive, but not by a lot. He is biological, d*** it. He's. Yeah, he's biological.

Cristina: He can't think. He can't. He has no needs.

Jack: Frankenstein.

Cristina: No, I'm talking about the golem.

Jack: Oh. Oh, I didn't realize. We saw it back.

Cristina: Yeah. What is he. How alive is he?

Jack: He's not alive.

Cristina: He's not alive at all.

Jack: Basically, a robot that you control with magic instead of electronics.

Cristina: Oh, Even if he looks human.

Jack: Yes. Kind of like a Android that you control remotely.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Okay. That's all that it is. Okay.

Jack: Anyways. Anyways, we are running out of time.

Cristina: All of that came from black cats.

Jack: Black cats and Pokemon.

Cristina: Yes. So beware of these creatures in the woods or something. If you're in the woods with your friend trying to get them to listen to an episode. Is that what happened?

Jack: No. You wandered in the woods with your laptop and a boombox.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: And you were trying to get strangers you came across in the woods to listen to the show with you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And I guess you stumbled upon a black cat and. Or something.

Cristina: Yes. And you're using it for treasure hunting.

Jack: Yes. But now, all things considered, this isn't the only episode with Pokemon that we have. There are actually a couple of episodes where we mention Pokemon in different. There's no Pokemon specific episode. No, but there are episodes that have a lot of Pokemon, including one where we try to find out if there's cannibalism. No. There's pollution in Pokemon.

Cristina: Yes. And hysteria. The Pokemon hysteria. But that was based on real life and not the game.

Jack: Yeah. Wow. We. Do we talk about Pokemon? This is the official Pokemon show.

Cristina: We rarely talk about HO1. That's why I thought, why not we.

Jack: Talk about Pokemon enough for this to be the official Pokemon show.

Cristina: Okay. This is the official Pokemon show.

Jack: At least for this episode.

Cristina: For this episode. Come back for more.

Jack: Find those episodes. If you want some more Pokemon in your life or anything else, you can find those on the official website. Greatthoughts.info on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and pretty much anywhere you get your podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTokisconvopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe and rate. And if you feel so inclined to review the show with whoever you're forcing.

Cristina: To listen to, let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth is very important. So you find people who you care about and love and tell them, hey, just conversation me, you, glass of wine, midnight stars sitting on the beach.

Cristina: They want to be listening to us.

Jack: Yes. And then as soon as you're done with the episode, you play the killers on the beach. Make sure it's about to start raining.

Cristina: No, that sounds very great. It sounds like a great night.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: Because here's what I would say. Maybe he was the first saint.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And thus his death got associated with oversleeping because all the other saints would later be living saints. But no, they all have to be dead. So based on this, they're all the saints of oversleeping. If he's not the saint of roosters. Roasted.

Cristina: Roasted. He is the thing of roasted. I don't.

Jack: He's the saint of roasted rooster.

Cristina: It's over sleeper. Because the. I get it. Sort of, I guess, like the rooster, you. You get woken up by a rooster, but the rooster's dead, so you over.

Jack: So. Okay, Okay.

Cristina: I don't know how that. You know, then. What a crazy story.

Jack: It's a title. Not a thing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's just. We needed to call you something, but.

Cristina: We'Re gonna pray for you if we oversleep, I guess. Or not to oversleep.

Jack: The question is, is that how it works?

Cristina: Yeah, I think so.

Jack: You pray to them for the thing?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Really?

Cristina: Yeah, I think so. Like, there's specific prayers people made for these saints. If you can't make up your own prayer or whatever, you can just find a prayer dedicated to them for a specific thing.

Jack: Interesting, interesting.

Cristina: So people pray for him to not oversleep? I guess. Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

March 20, 2021

Rambling 123: Moon Conspiracies

March 20, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

Moon Conspiracy, Space, Just Conversation, Podcast, Podcasting, Podcaster, Podcasts, Theory, Science, Moon Landing, Aliens

Was the moon landing faked? Is the moon an intricate hologram designed to hide what’s truly in our skies? Conspiracy theories of the moon unpacked!

Story:
Having recently sent subhumans to investigate the moon due to recent cow abductions and the need to give listeners Stockholm Syndrome, the duo decides to unpack some of the conspiracy theories surrounding our floating space neighbor. In the process the shocking realization that some of these conspiracy theories are possible rises. What’s most shocking is which of these conspiracies has particularly strong evidence in its favor! Find out which on this episode of Just Conversation!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

Stockholm Syndrome
Cheese Moon
Hologram Moon
Illuminati Moon Base
Moon Aliens
Faked Moon Landing
Hollow Moon
City on the Moon
Advanced Moon Technology
Crrow7777
Unlisted Satellite
Secret Moon Research
Area 51
Government Secrets
Ringing Moon

Art Design by Zero Lupo ( https://instagram.com/zero_lupo )

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are release.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discussed.

Jack: Yes. So grab your gun.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Casually load it up with rounds outside, in public, in front of complete strangers, one by one, while smiling at them. Then you close that revolver and you start walking towards them and you say, hey, we're gonna watch. I guess you could watch, theoretically. You just have to, like, travel back in time and come watch us. If you have a time machine, you.

Cristina: Watch us, but otherwise watch us on YouTube. You could, but you're not really watching. Watching us, but it's there.

Jack: Yeah, you could, theoretically, I mean, watch a still image, but you can hear. We're gonna hear a show. We're gonna go hear a show called the Just Conversation Podcast. And when they're like, what the f***? Who the h*** are you? You're just gonna lift your. They already saw you with the gun, and you already pinned it to, like, your belt. You're just gonna lift your shirt up a little and you're gonna repeat.

Cristina: I thought he was already holding it.

Jack: No, he was holding it. He put it. He pinned it into his, like, belt. And then he walked up and he's like, hey. Because he made sure they saw him walk over with the gun, and then he put it there. And then he's like, we're going to go watch. We're going to go listen to a podcast. And the people are like, no. And then he lifts up the shirt just a little to remind them that he has a gun that he just loaded in front of them. He's like, we're going to go listen to a podcast.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that's how you're going to get a listening companion. By the end of the episode, you're going to have a new best friend that's going to want to listen every time.

Cristina: Mm, this sounds great.

Jack: Definitely. That's how it goes. Look, people get Stockholm Syndrome. You just gotta.

Cristina: It's just gonna lead to them having someone to listen for the rest of their lives. I guess. Like, this person is just gonna.

Jack: Yes, but also you're gonna get rid of them. After this episode. You could tell Them to go home.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, you just needed them to hear one episode.

Cristina: Okay? The next episode.

Jack: Then you find a new listening partner. I feel like you don't know how the introduction of the show works. Why wouldn't it be the same person? How boring.

Cristina: I don't know. You said something about Stockholm syndrome.

Jack: Yeah, that's fine. They might not want to go after you forcefully put them in a situation in which they had to be there. But that sounds like personal problem. Okay, okay, like, bro, this is over. We do what we're gonna do. Go home.

Cristina: Oh, they might be too attached.

Jack: They might be too attached. But look, it sounds like a personal problem, okay? They're the crazy people at that point, that kind of individual, you can't trust them. Those are usually the freaking maniacs, right? Think of, like. Think of, like, flat earthers, right? They find another flat Earther, and they're immediately committed, and they're like, we're not gonna reinforce our beliefs with each other. That same emotional state is gonna f****** happen in this case. And they're just gonna be like, look, now. Now we're podcasting, and there's so much weird s*** in here. They're already the type of person who gets Stockholm syndrome. Then they're just gonna be the kind of person who's gonna believe all the crazy conspiracies and all the crazy s*** that we talk about on the show. They are now convinced they're converts to what?

Cristina: Many things that we like.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So many.

Jack: They're part of the clone army.

Cristina: They're part of the clone army.

Jack: That's what we call our fans, right? The clone army.

Cristina: We have a name for our fans.

Jack: No, they're just subhumans. Our fans. Yeah. We established this before, but we never say it. We got to say it all the time. There are. There are our listeners. Are the subhumans okay? Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Even though they're not the actual subhumans.

Jack: Even though they're not the actual subhumans. Yeah, we actually have subhumans, which we sent to the moon recently to prove that it was made of cheese.

Cristina: Is that.

Jack: Was that. There was a cheese castle or some s***?

Cristina: There's definitely a cheese castle.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Aliens who were obsessed with cheese, I guess.

Jack: Yeah. And that's why they steal the cows.

Cristina: I remember. Yes.

Jack: I remember. I remember one of those glorious conspiracy theories that was created by who the f*** knows what. That's kind of crazy when you think about it. Does somebody. I mean, I guess all the moon conspiracy theories are nuts, but, like, the Fact that there's one about cheese on the moon.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, whoa, dude.

Cristina: Ah, it looks similar to cheese. I can't believe someone actually believes that it's made out of cheese.

Jack: Do you think it's just like trolling? Like a troll conspiracy maybe?

Cristina: Like, you really think people there's like a real conspiracy that, man.

Jack: I wouldn't be surprised.

Cristina: The moon is made up cheese.

Jack: I wouldn't be surprised. I would. I would totally not put it past at least one person on earth. There's 7.5 billion people on this planet. One of them thinks the moon is made out of cheese.

Cristina: For real?

Jack: For real. Like, swears that that moon is made out of cheese. They probably can't explain how, but they're like, I also don't know how the sun works. So like, you know, they're rationalizing it and s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, I don't even know how the sun works. You tell me how air functions. So why can't the moon be made out of cheese? You know that logic instead of the freaking anti vaxxer logic. It's like, I don't get it. Therefore it must be wrong. Yeah. I don't understand physics. So it's wrong. Scientists are lying.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's like, I'm sure that's not how anything works. Just because you don't f****** understand does not mean it is a lie. It kind of means you're stupid. Really?

Cristina: No. The Earth is flat and the moon is made out of cheese. These two things make sense together.

Jack: Not only that, not only is the earth flat and the moon made out of cheese, but the moon orbits in a circular motion around the edge of the disk with the sun opposite. Opposite the moon. I'm not entirely sure why the sun is opposite the moon on this f****** thing, but whatever. Maybe they do. Well, no, we see the moon and the sun together sometimes, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So do they believe that the moon or the sun moves faster than the other? Like the sun is the faster one that makes whole lapse every day while the moon doesn't.

Cristina: Yes, maybe. Or maybe they don't realize that happens.

Jack: And they're like, they're always opposite each other and when they see the moon in the sky, they're like, that's some other s***.

Cristina: Yes, yes, man.

Jack: Like, I'm not surprised. I wouldn't put it past anybody. You know, that's kind of how this goes. But like. All right, so a bunch of people believe a bunch of crazy s*** about the moon, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The most consistent one is the the moon landing was faked.

Cristina: Yeah. Because that's the most, like, that's all.

Jack: Anybody knows about the f****** moon. Yeah, the moon. Land people landed on the moon.

Cristina: That was the biggest event.

Jack: But look. Oh, God. Some of the f****** things they discuss are so stupid about that. Yeah. For example, the. The light contrast, the fact that you look up and there's no stars. The fact that they. They see the moon reflecting. This is the moon is really, really bright, but they don't see stars in.

Cristina: The sky like these in that photo or I read.

Jack: Not the photo in the photos and videos. And like, there's explanations behind all of this s***, but they're not gonna pay attention to any of it. They're really, really unbelievably fixated on it being fake. And even if you present them with all the evidence that says we can replicate the exact circumstances that answer any one of these things, well, if you.

Cristina: Replicate it, you just prove that you faked it because you just. Like, that's no. That what they think.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no. I don't mean replicate it in a fake manner. I'm saying you can prove that these instances happen.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like that we can suppress the stars from the sky with a bright enough light in contrast to those stars, the suppressing them, things like that. And so they are, I don't know, people crazy. They want to believe what they want.

Cristina: To believe what was, like, the craziest thing they think of the moon. Or like what people think, like, the.

Jack: Craziest thing they think of the moon. I would say that the moon is a hologram.

Cristina: As a hologram.

Jack: That is crazy.

Cristina: That is pretty crazy.

Jack: Yeah. They think the Illuminati is doing it.

Cristina: And why are the Illuminati doing it?

Jack: Well, there's a multitude of reasons. I think the Illuminati is doing it primarily because they probably have a secret base that is on the moon for the elites who are part of the Illuminati to hang out because they're filthy rich and can afford going to the moon, which theoretically means they've been able to go to the moon for very, very long, maybe even longer than the moon.

Cristina: But it's not really a moon.

Jack: There is a moon up there.

Cristina: Oh, there is a moon.

Jack: In this scenario, there is actually a moon, but there's a hologram moon projected over the moon to hide the fact that the moon is its own civilization, essentially for elites.

Cristina: How does this.

Jack: This is no different hologram than flat earth. And over the ice wall that we're not allowed to cross, there being cities for elites. Okay, this is the we believe in science but they're lying to us version of we're crazy.

Cristina: Okay. But I don't understand. Like, there's cities under the hologram. How does this hologram work?

Jack: Hologram is. Well, we can't. The hologram is just projected onto the moon.

Cristina: Onto the moon?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That's just so crazy. Okay, but like, if the people on the moon, when they look up, they just see the hologram of the moon.

Jack: The people on the moon?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No, the people on the moon just see Earth. The hologram is on them.

Cristina: It's on them. Okay.

Jack: Look at it like this. If you stand in front of a projector.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Looking back at the projector, you just see the light that's projecting the thing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But if you turn around, you will see the thing, the thing being projected.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're on the side of the projector, seeing what's projected. They're on what's being projected. Just seeing where the projection is coming from.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. And not even necessarily seeing a giant light coming from the sky where Earth would be, because it doesn't actually need to be literally so. Exactly. On the moon. They're just probably obscuring a part of the sky, preventing anybody from seeing the moon.

Cristina: Okay. Are they also the ones like, there's something in the dark side of the moon, or is that a whole different thing?

Jack: That's a whole other thing that has to do with the Apollo moon landing.

Cristina: That's the new. How?

Jack: Well, they think that the reason we don't go back is because the moon landing was real. But when we landed on the moon, we found something. We found something. We found many somethings.

Cristina: Like, alien something.

Jack: Yeah. It ranges. There has been talks that they have found buildings, they have found technology, they have found a bunch of different things. And on the dark side of the moon, particular, like on the surface, where it's not the dark side where we could see, there were little things here and there. But on the opposite side, on the dark side, which isn't really dark because it gets lit all the time. We just don't see it happen. There were buildings, maybe even alien settlements, maybe even alien civilizations.

Cristina: But, like, the aliens are alive. Are they there right now or is like ancient stuff?

Jack: Like, don't know. None of that is clear. It could have been. I'm sure this variance. These in some cases are probably like, we saw aliens and they were like, don't come back. In other cases, like, there was abandoned cities. That means there's something out here that killed Them?

Cristina: Yeah, that could totally, you know, sounds so horror.

Jack: Like the xenomorph is just really hanging up on the moon and s***.

Cristina: Yeah, that would stop us from going back.

Jack: Yeah, it's nuts. Like the possibilities of a city on the moon on the dark side. How would be nuts? That'd be so crazy. That would be really cool.

Cristina: Yeah, but what about all these planets to go to the moon? Do they not matter? Would all of these theories just disappear?

Jack: Well, no. All you got to think about relative to that is who's going up to the moon.

Cristina: Oh, because it's going to be astronauts.

Jack: It's the same f****** people who are hiding the secret in the first place.

Cristina: What about when they have just regular people eventually are going to be able to at least go around the moon? I think.

Jack: Yeah. I would argue that they're going to one, make routes that don't go through the dark side. That's the far end of the moon. We're probably not going to circle around the moon. We're probably going to fly by the moon. Thus the courses in which the route that we travel is intentionally planned so that people don't see giant cities.

Cristina: Okay, but they would at least show us where the actual landing spots are. I mean that should be proof for that. One thing that people worry about, like, is that real? We could finally see it.

Jack: Well, here's what's interesting. Yes, that should totally be up there. There is a conspiracy about the moon landing that suggests that the moon landing did happen, but it didn't happen when we thought it happened.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it goes like this. The idea is that the Russians were getting too close technologically to actually be able to reach us there. And because we're f****** egotistic maniacs, we couldn't let that happen. We have to be there f****** first. Because we're, we're the best, America.

Jack: That sounds right. Right. So we were like, no, we gotta do it. But we couldn't. And so we saw that they're just a couple of days from launching some s*** that'll get up there.

Cristina: So we did it.

Jack: So we faked it.

Cristina: We faked it.

Jack: Okay, we faked it. But that's not to say the moon landing didn't happen. They just obscured the timelines. And it goes like this, right? So we go into a facility in which we recreate the conditions we expect to see. Einstein's theory of relativity is pretty spot on. The last bit was proven after we saw gravitational waves. He's been a hundred percent right about everything. He's Ever predicted. Meaning basing everything on that, we had a pretty accurate estimate of what was going to happen when we got up there. We knew how the gravity was going to work. We knew how everything was going to function.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: So we replicated what it would have been like to be up there, how the sky would look, how the. The moon's surface would look and all these things. And we did sort of a rehearsal landing where we land on the moon or whatever, but it's really a pool, the inside of a ginormous pool where we have the people.

Cristina: And we recorded that or something.

Jack: Yes. And we record that part and we digitally remove bubbles and crap like that. That's moving around in the water to enhance the moon effect. Now, everything that was done with all your scientists, you leave no room for error. You leave no room for chance. Everything is scripted to the T. Okay. So everything you were going to do on the moon, you had to rehearse anyways.

Cristina: Yeah. So.

Jack: So that, you know, step by step, everything you were gonna do, how you were gonna do it, why you were gonna do it, every inch of everything had to be. You have to know how long you're on there. You have to move quickly. Don't waste feel no nothing. And so they replicate what was going to happen, and they record it and then air that. And it probably doesn't even air live. Like, they record the whole s*** first. They edit the whole thing and then they pretend it's live. They show it on tv. They make a big thing about it. Everybody's all excited. The Duke's mind blows out of his skull and he's like, whoa, these guys are my heroes.

Cristina: They're the manliest men in the world.

Jack: Yes. All of this and it didn't even happen. They were still planning to go to.

Cristina: The moon, and they eventually did.

Jack: Months to years later, they take the trip to the moon and do everything that was rehearsed. All of it. The flag is where it needs to be, the technology abandoned where it needs to be. Everything is where it needs to be. Because that was all part of the plan anyways, so that when people do travel through the moon, tourism and blah, blah, blah, they can land and see what was really there from the real moon landing, just not the one that they watched on tv. But it was identical. There's no difference other than it happened later.

Cristina: When it comes to the video, wouldn't people be able to know if it was edited in a special way?

Jack: People swear they think they can tell.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Jack: That's consistently an argued thing. People look at the video all the time and they're like, look at this glitch and look at that glitch. And blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Cristina: Oh, but they do that with like the. The map of the world and stuff like that.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Everybody's crazy. They do it with some s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's like the. The 911 bombing thing with the plane. It's like. Well, it looks like this from here. Looks like that from there was clearly edited.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: So it's like that's always f****** happening.

Cristina: That happens a lot. Okay. Yeah.

Jack: Literally everything.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's crap that isn't even conspiracy theories that people just start making, digging into videos and being like, I see discrepancies. It's.

Cristina: Yes, yes. Okay. And a lot of evil clouds. For some reason. It's either some type of bomb or you see the devil in the clouds.

Jack: Oh, my God. That happens all the time. Yes. Anytime anything happens, if there's a fire, I see the devil in the fire. Those are usually religious people.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Demons and.

Cristina: But yes, it's like one is a bomb or two evil clouds.

Jack: The other one is when the sky behaves a certain way. Like normal phenomena. That's just rare, I guess. Not normal, but phenomenon. That's just rare.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like the sky parts in a certain way and the God ray shoots from a specific direction and people are like, God is up there. Whatever. And it's like, man, that was just the clouds opening up in that one patch. Come on.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like. No, you see, God is shining on a spot. There must be something important over that spot.

Cristina: It's always.

Jack: People need something to believe in, man. Whether it's a conspiracy theory or that God is aiming at like a grass patch or some.

Cristina: That's crazy. Has it. Have anyone seen Jesus on the moon yet?

Jack: Jesus on. I'm sure they have. There's some. There's so much weird s*** about the moon, man. People think the craziest thing about it, like the fact that the moon is hollow. People swear. People swear the moon is hollow.

Cristina: So there's a. Cities outside and it's hollow inside. Or the cities are actually inside this.

Jack: No, these are different conspiracies, okay? They're not all. It's not that the moon is hollow. There's a hologram on the moon landing whistle. Faked. But it did happen late. Like, it's not all. I mean, I guess it could be.

Cristina: Theoretically, someone could have thought all of these things are true at once.

Jack: They probably stitch it together in some manner, shape or form. To make it make sense.

Cristina: Yeah, like with the Illuminati things and all those conspiracy. There's a someone who connects every single event to that same one thing. Yeah, so it can happen with the moon.

Jack: Look, let's be real. We know the Illuminati doesn't do anything. We work for the Illuminati. We're here informing you. We wouldn't be telling you that the moon landing was fake. If it's real, we're telling you it's real. Of course I don't f****** know it's real. But I know that our bosses aren't responsible for anything. But there is definitely somebody out there trying to stitch everything. And based on how often we get blamed for everything, it. Like, if anybody was responsible, it would f****** be us. Right? Based on how often the Illuminati gets blamed.

Cristina: Yeah. So this probably has something to do with us.

Jack: It doesn't. But if anybody was to blame, like, who's the most likely culprit? If everybody says it's you, it's probably you. We know it's not. But, like, if it all. All of this is crazy, but if it all turned out to be true, then, s***, it was probably us.

Cristina: Well, yeah, we do know about the aliens who are obsessed with arches.

Jack: Yeah. And they steal all our cows to create. They need them for infrastructure. This has been established. Yes, the aliens on the Moon, on the dark side of the Moon, abduct cows.

Cristina: But any proof on this hollow thing?

Jack: Yes, there's actually a crazy little bit of proof which is kind of fascinating.

Cristina: Crazy little bit.

Jack: It's small and also big.

Cristina: Okay, what's that?

Jack: It's the craters on the Moon.

Cristina: The craters themselves.

Jack: Yes. There is a literal problem which scientists don't really understand even today, why this is the case. But the conspiracy kind of comes from that question mark, which is. The craters on the Moon are very shallow. They are very, very shallow.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: For the size that they are in width. If something impacted them that f****** huge, it should be way deeper. But it's not.

Cristina: But it's not.

Jack: The impact somehow didn't penetrate dirt. Loose dirt. It couldn't, for whatever reason. And the assumption is that the reason is because beneath the surface is a metal hole. And the. The meteors that hit the Moon go as far as the metal hole and shatter there, because they can't penetrate that.

Cristina: Ooh. So this is just an explanation to something that we already have questions about.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: That's the best place to put a conspiracy.

Jack: That is the best place to put a conspiracy. It's kind of how God happens. It's like we got questions about this thing. That's because God did it. Yes, God did it. Why didn't that rock penetrate to the center of the moon? God did it.

Cristina: There is pro. Is that now.

Jack: I mean, that's probably like God is protecting the moon.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I don't know. But the smaller meteor meteors at land, the smaller meteors that hit the moon leave proper sized, but not the great ones, but not the big ones. The big ones seem to stop abnormally shallow. And there's no answer for that. That's how they measured. The question comes out of that. If it was just that it was very dense, a rock hitting it would leave a shock wave which would expand the dirt.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But not pierce too deep. But it doesn't apply when you hit it with something smaller that still seems to go as deep as it should and as wide as it should. If we didn't have the small ones behaving the way they should, then we'd just be like, well, no, all of them do the same thing. It's just really thick, dense dirt. And when they hit, it stops them to some degree. And so it's way shallower, even if the shockwave still disturbs the surface. But the small ones don't do that. It's only after a certain depth gets reached that it just stops suddenly.

Cristina: That is strange.

Jack: Yep. Alternatively, the real argument should be that the moon is incredibly credibly dense. But the fact that there's low gravity beats that argument. If it was very, very dense, it would have a lot of gravity.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But because it doesn't have a lot of gravity, we know the center isn't dense. But why is it stopping f****** giant meteors from piercing?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Kind of weird problem, right?

Cristina: It's a weird problem.

Jack: Yeah. So they believe. Yes. Hollow in the middle. But it has a hull that they're impacting. There's something inside the moon. Maybe civilizations. Maybe it's an alien spaceship. That's a crazy one too. They believe that the moon.

Cristina: Okay, but that now we're going to.

Jack: Different things variants of what the moon being hollow means. So before there was explanations of the moon being hollow.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now what does it mean that it's hollow? So one is that there is alien civilizations there to just move them to a good system. And they found a planet in the right zone that they could park their ship around.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they live in there and they don't bother us or anything. They're just living their lives or whatever. And it's self sustained. They just need energy. Maybe their own system, maybe their own system is too dead. Maybe the star exploded and the trip somewhere else is too far. Maybe just getting here was too difficult. And so they're just here, they're just staying here. So they just parked around the perfect spot.

Cristina: So they're just living in the moon.

Jack: Just living in the moon.

Cristina: People who believe in the hollow moon thing are they all, do they all believe that there's aliens in there or do some just think it's hollow? But that doesn't mean equal aliens?

Jack: Yes, there are some people that believe it. Well, in every instance the hollow moon kind of equates to aliens, but in different contexts. Like we were saying before, there could be a city on the dark side of the moon that has been attacked and is dead.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Similarly, it could be an abandoned hollow moon. The inside of the moon could have dead civilizations. Maybe it's ancient.

Cristina: Okay, so it could have naturally been hollow somehow. No, that's not a possibility.

Jack: No, nature doesn't work that way.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Everything starts from the center and builds outwards.

Cristina: Oh, all right.

Jack: So in the case of the hollow moon having a dead civilization, the two arguments are back to the xenomorph exaggeration, something them up. And that goes back to why we don't want to go back. Like whatever. We don't want to accidentally bring with us whatever the f*** we saw or we found out, or we got DNA for or whatever. We're like, we're not f****** with this. But it could have just been that there is ancient advanced technology up there from creatures that either built the hollow moon and lived in the hollow moon and went extinct over millions of years of being there, and that's it, they're just a civilization in there that expired.

Cristina: There's probably some aliens still there.

Jack: Who knows, There could still be aliens. That's a whole thing that there's probably still filled with, but it's self sustained. All their farms, all their food, all their everything is inside. So they don't really have to leave. And this goes to that sort of advanced. If you remember how the Mayans plugged into the matrix, essentially they could have the same thing. So they don't have to explore the universe. Okay, they just have these virtual realities which are extremely complicated and they just stay inside the moon without having to come out. Alternatively, the moon could have also been their main outpost, the inside of the moon where they had all their technology, other things. As they got ready to evacuate the system and keep exploring the rest of space. So it's not that they died, it's that they abandoned this, which to them is now ancient technology, but to us is extremely advanced that we can't understand it. And then this hollow moon theory of there being technology up there, whether it's that aliens are still up there, whatever, blah, blah, blah, builds into the hologram moon, in which they project a hologram onto the moon so that people don't see anything. But we're consistently making trips to try to study and understand technology. And then this dates backwards to where we start getting technological advancements that blow up. We got crappy ship, rocket fueled, barely any computer power. Our cell phone has more computer power than a f****** rocket from the 60s that got us to the moon. But technological advancement explosion began around the time that we landed on the moon.

Cristina: Where all those UFO conspiracies and Area 51 conspiracies after that.

Jack: Yes. The Roswell and all this bullshit.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: There was like whispers about things, but it started to get really solidified, started to boom way too much. And people are like, why didn't we have these advancements before at this rate? So only after a certain period is there just an increasingly faster development of technology.

Cristina: So the possibility of we found alien technology.

Jack: Yes. And we are reverse engineering it. And there's so much of it that we can't let civilians into the moon or onto the moon. And so we project so that they don't even see us going up there regularly. We're like, we don't go to the moon, but we can keep bringing technology over and over and over and improving, reverse engineering, taking it to facilities on Earth, Keeping some up there often. Yeah, it happens all the time.

Cristina: Oh, wow.

Jack: We work on. We get all our best scientists to work on something like, what the h*** is this name? The name of this guy? David Lazar. Bob Lazar. Bob Lazar, Yeah. So we get people like him to work on the technology that we've found and we're like, so we need you to reverse engineer, break it apart, tell us what's happening, explain all the details that are going on to us.

Cristina: But then that's going into like, there are actual aliens around. Do you think there's.

Jack: No, not necessarily. There's actual aliens around. Maybe they found corpses and like, they probably have like graveyards up there if that's the case.

Cristina: Oh, okay. But you don't think there's. Or like, one doesn't mean the other.

Jack: Yes. Unless they are just getting technology from aliens and there's just some people who are allowed to communicate with the aliens.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like Barbalizar said, there were aliens. That they were literally working with them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And those aliens would in theory just be on the moon or in the moon. And we got technology from them. They're like here. You guys can figure this out. This is old to us but you guys can have it. And good luck figuring it out. I know our communication is rough, but we understand. We're peaceful. You're peaceful. Relatively speaking. And good luck. Figure it out then. Maybe we trade tech with them all the time.

Cristina: Things we've come up with the trade tech with them. But maybe because we'll figure something out that they didn't think of.

Jack: Yeah. 100. There's no way two civilizations landed on exactly the same things. I theorize that we could have even landed on different systems entirely of thought. Like we came up with math and we think it's inherent to the universe. But like, who the f*** says, like, yes, what we measure works. But imagine somebody else, a different life form lands on a different thing that isn't math and it works.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. Something entirely different that isn't math at all. And it works.

Cristina: Yes. What we would consider magic, etc.

Jack: And so we trade what we have with them.

Cristina: That's awesome.

Jack: So these are all just possibilities. And that's actually really, really interesting to me. The fact that there could be so much crap on the moon.

Cristina: But you actually believe some of these conspiracies then.

Jack: Not really. There's no reason to believe or disbelieve.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It really lands on the fact that we have to assume that the gut. Now this is an easy one to hide though. I don't know how the f*** the. It would have to be a hollow moon. I don't believe the hologram part. That's a weird one.

Cristina: That's very weird.

Jack: But if we're making trips up there, we see crap, fly into space all the time. We can't tell the difference. Like who the f***. It's a satellite. It's a rocket headed to the moon. Like who the f*** knows? You know? We're not out here looking. So they could be making trips all the time. They don't need no f****** hologram. They just lie about what the h*** it is. So the hologram part. Maybe I'm not so sold on that one. But the dark side of the moon having civilizations and stuff, that makes sense to me. That could be possible. I'm not saying I believe it, but it could be possible. Alternatively. There's also the conspiracy that the moon is not just hollow, obviously artificial, but it wasn't. Again back to the ship that's put there because aliens are using it to not share technology, not just find the hot spot to live or whatever. They're observing us.

Cristina: Okay. So it's to watch us.

Jack: It's an observatory.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They moved it there so they can want. And that's why it's title locked with Earth. They're making it so that we don't see them, but they're up there and they're watching and studying and they do make regular trips and what we see coming through and when we catch alien space. That's really.

Cristina: They're working on the documentary of Earth.

Jack: Yeah. They could just be studying humans, studying how life evolves, how primitive creatures move and behave and discover space travel and blah blah, blah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They could have been there for way longer that. How long has the moon been there? The stories of the moon, forever. Yeah. So they could have been. That just could be an alien outpost and observatory that's been there for millions of years.

Cristina: Yeah. Where they placed it there or they placed.

Jack: Yeah, well I mean they placed it there, but it could have been there since before we started recording s*** before.

Cristina: We were even a human or even you know like a thing.

Jack: They just found life beginning.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like that planet put it put. Put one of our satellites there. Which would be interesting because this is to say if they have the ability to track where life is beginning. Does every place with life beginning have a moon placed around it that's tidally locked so that there's always an observatory studying life Interesting.

Cristina: That is interesting place would man when we find life one day it's gonna.

Jack: Be pretty badass, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now that being said, I'm over here saying I don't believe in the. The holographic moon. Right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There are weird things relative to that that have happened. Like there was a guy, he was. He was a YouTuber 2013. He was. His name is Crow777. And he began just recording the moon regularly all the time and uploading it regularly.

Cristina: He just loved recording the moon, love.

Jack: Recording the moon until it got weird. On one of his random recordings he saw the moon ripple.

Cristina: Is he sure that's what happened? I don't know. That's weird.

Jack: That's weird, right?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He saw the moon ripple and it was the only thing in the sky to ripple. And it rippled the way a TV with crappy signal would. You know how that line just old school TVs. That line would just clear through it yeah. And static would form. It would, like, fuzz out a little.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: Yeah. And he called it the Glitch.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Is that still on YouTube?

Jack: I know, let's look for it. Okay, so that's f****** crazy, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He moves the camera and the ripple doesn't follow the camera. It stays where it was on the moon, gradually moving up.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: F****** weird, right? Yeah, it's very interesting. And so that is pretty compelling.

Cristina: Yes, please look at that. You could still find that on YouTube. We actually looked at it.

Jack: Yes. The YouTube channel is called CRRO W777. And you will find it. It was uploaded seven years ago and it's called the moon is not what you think it is.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And yeah, so that's a really weird thing that is there.

Cristina: He also mentioned something about Mars. Something else is going on. What?

Jack: Yeah, they didn't want to give him stuff for that. But relative to the moon, he. He has an interesting video there. It's kind of interesting. It's. He tries to be scientific. He tries to disprove as much as he can, and he swears there's a moon there. He's not saying there's no moon there.

Cristina: Yes. He's just suspicious whether the full moon, when we see it as the full moon, is that really what we're looking at?

Jack: Yes. He does not trust that what we see is. That's really there.

Cristina: Just. But the other times, though, when the moon is in the other phases, we are probably seeing it as is, because whatever we know.

Jack: See, that's where it gets weird, because he's assuming that sometimes it is, sometimes it's not. But we have technology to pierce that too. So it should be up there all the time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The moon probably has the phases we see, but if there is a hologram, the hologram also has the ability to project those same phases to be consistent with how the moon would behave in case some physicist or somebody is looking and trying to angle, like, no, wait, the moon is in the wrong phase. Because they can't just have the moon be full all the time, but it's done to cover something up. So if we have the hologram, then it's always there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that takes us to a different situation in which a man called David Johnson found and filmed a unlisted satellite.

Cristina: Oh, what?

Jack: Yeah, just wandering. And he found a satellite that's not listed. He's not sure what it. But it was functional. It was on. And he sees that it's aimed at the moon, which is also very weird. So he recorded that, uploaded that, and the. He is assuming that this is a projection point. One of multiple projection points.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: To be able to generate the image of the moon. Because why is there an unlisted satellite.

Cristina: Just looking at the moon?

Jack: Just looking at the moon.

Jack: So, yeah, that was a really weird one.

Cristina: That is very strange. What?

Jack: Yeah, so there. There are weird things about some of these cases that are, you know, supporting evidence, you could say. Like, nothing is for sure. Like, we don't know. Just because you found an unlisted satellite and maybe somebody's just secretly studying the moon, what the f***? They could do whatever the h*** they want.

Cristina: Yeah. No connection to actual scientists or secret government.

Jack: Yeah, there's no Illuminati running that thing. It's just people. Same thing with the hologram. Maybe there was some weird glitch happening in the camera that couldn't be explained. Maybe something about the light coming off of the moon was strange and the camera couldn't process it properly, and so it was trying to. But the panning is weird.

Cristina: The panning is super weird because it.

Jack: Should move with the camera.

Jack: That's a weird one. I don't know what to say about that, but that's a very, very strange one.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, there are arguments that people have tried to make about the moon being a hologram. They say, you know, like, the moon predates hologram technology. But they obviously, obviously, you can't use reason to fight stupidity because you're like, it predates the hologram technology. And then the immediate response from the people who swear the moon is a hologram is all that data was tampered with. Oh, all the proof and all the ancient articles and every. All of it, everything, all history and stuff about the moon is fake. They tampered with it to make. To make us believe. Mad tampering. See, that's the least likely possibility. Yeah, it's too much work.

Cristina: That's a lot of work. Like, when the hologram happened, it was probably in front of our eyes and we didn't notice. Like.

Jack: Yeah, that's crazy.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: It's super nuts to even believe that. For some instances, they do believe that there isn't a moon at all, that there was once a moon and there no longer is a moon. It's not sure why there is no longer a moon, but that's why we have the hologram to replace the fact that at some point there was a moon and now there isn't.

Cristina: But there's something there or there's just. For some reason we just decided to put a. Had long.

Jack: There's just a hologram.

Cristina: No explanation. Like, it's just. We have.

Jack: Well, there's. Well, there's two different ones.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Something happened to the moon and we replace it. Maybe some. Maybe we were running experiments that destroyed the moon or something. And to hide that fact.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We put the hologram there so that nobody even knows we destroyed the moon. Alternatively, we come back to the Illuminati, we're the boogeyman. Be scared of us.

Cristina: What do we do?

Jack: They believe that there is no moon and that we've invented these holograms to fund moon research and milk society for money that way.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: How much are we making off of this?

Jack: Not enough for the level of expense going into generating the hologram and paying the actors who would then pretend to go research. Like, there's a lot of moving parts here. I feel like we wasted way more than we get out of it.

Cristina: We're just having fun with it. It's not. There's no reason for it, I guess. Like, it can't be for the money.

Jack: Trolling. We're just trolling. We're just trolling.

Cristina: That is crazy. Yeah, but if there was a moon there and then there's no longer a moon there, how is the moon still affecting us in the way it always affected us if it's not really there?

Jack: Interesting, right? Like these can't be possible. These are the least believable ones when it comes to hollow moon. That's interesting. When it comes to the moon hologram. Only if there's a moon there and only if there's point something there. Yes.

Cristina: There has to be something there that still does the same.

Jack: I think the hollow moon is the most likely out of all the crazy moon things. Obviously the. I guess the really, really most likely one is that the moon landing was faked, but did happen. Now that it was fake, that didn't happen. I just know the US kind of likes the bullshit once in a while. We're known for lying about s*** consistently to everybody all the time. So I wouldn't put it past us that the moon landing did happen just f****** later than we claimed. We showed everybody bullshit on tv just to be like, we beat the Russians.

Cristina: There and then we redid it or did it for real. Yeah.

Jack: Once we dissuaded the Russians from going.

Cristina: That'S all the head.

Jack: We just did it. They're like, well, they beat us. We gotta stop now. And then we're like, good now we have time to do this. Right.

Cristina: Okay. That's more American.

Jack: That's the most believable. Followed by the hollow moon. So that there's probably some life up there. Aliens either watching us or civilization living inside of the moon, self sustained or trading with us. And then on top of that, we could build the hologram moon covering up civilization. Maybe they came, put the things that are projecting the moon on that direction so that we are hidden. So that they're hidden from us.

Cristina: Yeah. We're not doing the projection.

Jack: We're not even doing it. They just got s*** in our orbit spitting up a hologram to where the moon would be.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So any number of things could be happening.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And maybe they don't even need to be spitting anything up. Maybe they can see out of the moon, but we can't see into it. Like a two way mirror.

Cristina: So the only one you're not in the side of is that there's no moon.

Jack: That there's no moon. That's kind of weird and kind of crazy.

Cristina: Kind of.

Jack: Yes. But I think there's possibilities for the moon like the hologram. I'm not past the idea of a hologram.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's just the reasoning behind that seems the dumbest. But like, yeah, I could believe that there's people who have funded having a secret escape location. Like we were thinking about fallout shelters as a real means of survival in the past.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's the whole Fallout series of video games is based on the fact that that was a thought we had. Send the rich into the f****** bunks and f*** everybody else.

Cristina: Bunks in the moon.

Jack: Bunks on the moon. Makes sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Buildings being built for the last 70 years, whole structure civilizations. Maybe they go up there already all the time just to chill.

Cristina: That'd be crazy.

Jack: Well, that's part of one of these theories that they go up there all the time. That it's just we already have technology. Yeah. People on Earth go to the moon.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Elites, rich people.

Cristina: To hang out with aliens or just.

Jack: Just to hang out.

Cristina: Hang out.

Jack: No, aliens just. They go up there to chill.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: That's one of their escape locations to go. And in case of a tragedy on Earth, that's where they would go and live.

Cristina: That makes sense.

Jack: Yeah. That's totally believable. That's right up there with the moon landing being bullshit and then f****** being real later.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because that's exactly some s*** that we do.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: America's. F***, that's Earth as f***. Rich people are just like, f*** the.

Cristina: Little Guy, those billionaires.

Jack: Yeah. There's a f****** meteor headed towards us. We just go to the moon. F*** them.

Cristina: Yes. What?

Jack: That seems legit to me. That seems pretty accurate.

Cristina: But not the highest.

Jack: What a probability. Yeah, no, that's definitely the moon landing. The moon landing being faked is the most likely out of all of these. Not to say the moon landing was faked, but I think the moon landing was faked.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Not that it didn't happen. I don't think there was no moon landing. Those people are too extreme. I think America is full of s*** and we lied until we got it done.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then everything is up there. Go ahead and prove us wrong. If you went to the moon right now, you'd see all the things. But you're also full of s***. Because. Because I was later.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So I think that's probably the reality of the matter. We lied about the moon landing and this is f****** fine. Like, let's be real. Who the f*** cares? It got done.

Cristina: Yeah. But now they can't back off on their lie because then we're gonna be like, what else did they lie about? Yeah, well, definitely doing that anyway.

Jack: Definitely. The alien testing part.

Cristina: The alien testing.

Jack: Because they were like, yeah, we've been trying to contact and trying to. Like, they just said that recently about Area 51. Yeah.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: First it was. No, it's just for. First it was, Area 51 is not real.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then I guess it is real. It is real. Like, okay, so didn't tell us anything. We already know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then they're like, also, we got videos of things that are UFOs that we can't identify. And it's like, okay, f***. But like, we kind of knew already. And then they're like, yeah, and we run experiments here that might have to do things with aliens. Not to say we have aliens, but we run alien related experiments.

Cristina: Eventually they'll tell us they have a body.

Jack: Yeah, there's. They probably got a f****** body. And they're just inching. They're just little by little they can get there.

Cristina: When are they gonna just say so?

Jack: I don't know why It's a f******.

Cristina: Well, I guess we're more accepting over time. Like, would we have panicked originally? I mean, we were panicking. I don't know how this type of thing works. Like, you're trying not to get the people to panic, but they're already panicking from the little that they do know. And then when you finally tell them what they already know, they're not really panicking.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. They have all the rights not to. We thought a bug that was more or less at the time that we found out about it, 100th as deadly as the flu at the time that we found out about it. And now obviously worse. But at the moment that we found out about it, this s*** that we've dealt with crap a million billion times worse. We found that about everybody in the planet panicked. Panicked, lost their minds and became irrational as f***. Started to beat the living s*** out of each other. Inside stores for toilet paper. Yeah, for f****** toilet paper.

Cristina: But they were told not to panic. They were told it wasn't as bad as it looked and etc.

Jack: As a result, we can't really trust the collective intellect of people and just be outright that we have aliens. I'm 100% convinced mass suicides on behalf of religious people is move number one.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Mass suicides. Life is meaningless.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: Everybody kills themselves. So many. The majority of the world believes in f****** gods and s***. That just goes out the f****** window just instantaneously. Minus the ones resilient enough to be like, they're lying to us.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Minus that group of people. Everyone else who just believes everything a doctor and a scientist f****** tells them 100% of the time. No matter what the f*** it is, Those people just killing themselves, they're just gone forever.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're avoiding that.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's why we can't just be like, there's aliens. Because people would just kill themselves. They've proven in the case of toilet paper that we're too f****** stupid. We can't really handle anything. We just tell ourselves we can definitely. And it's really sad, but we. Yeah. They're inching towards it just to see if we're ready. Here's a little something. We're like, okay. Here's a little something else. Okay. The less we react, the more they give us. The more we react, the less they give us.

Cristina: That's a great way to do it.

Jack: Exactly. Because they know. They gaze where we're standing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's the AI from Alien. Yeah. If it's really, really hard, they ease off. They're like, okay. But if it's too easy, they start throwing more just to kind of, you know, bounce it off.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To efficientize.

Cristina: It wasn't just UFOs that they let us know. They also. There was like, something about elements that they didn't understand.

Jack: Yes. There's just things we don't get, period. A bunch of crap. Whether it be technology, Whether it be UFOs, whether it be things that should theoretically be on the periodic table orient, or just things. Just things. Little by little, letting that trickle happen.

Cristina: But no aliens yet.

Jack: But no aliens. As for the. The hollow moon because of the depth of these craters, that could not be figured out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They did run an experiment in which they got a ship all the way up there, the ship broke into two parts, and then they slammed one of the ships into the moon.

Cristina: They slammed the ship into them?

Jack: Yeah. They crash landed one intentionally. Oh, just to see vibrate.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Scientists.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I mean, who else is gonna slam a ship into the moon?

Cristina: Sounds pretty crazy.

Jack: Yeah, it's an experiment.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So this is to test vibration to sound and whatever. And the weirdest f****** thing happened with that. The moon began to ring like a bell. Like a bell for an entire hour.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Yeah. They landed, they crashed, and then.

Cristina: I don't understand. Okay. But then none of these things make sense because this is all about how they're lying to us. But they let us see this experiment and hear about this crazy nonsense about the bell ring, the moon ringing like a bell, but they're.

Jack: You just associated two completely random things that aren't related at all. People will just ignore the fact that that was done.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Obviously, if they're showing us something, people are gonna be like they're lying. Okay, so assume anything they show us, people just think they're lying.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's just. There's no reason to connect the two. This is anything the scientists did and anything the conspiracy theorists believe unrelated.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Even though the scientists obviously have the same questions, these conspiracy theorists.

Jack: Conspiracy theories are filling up the fact that we don't have an answer for the question.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yes.

Jack: That's why it doesn't really matter. It's not this or that. It's kind of both.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But in doing that and smacking the ship into it, it started ringing. It rang for an entire hour. And the only way that could happen is if something is hollow, something solid would absorb the entire impact and not make a sound internally. But it was vibrating from the inside out. So theorize that. That could definitely. In trying to disprove it, they were like, oh, s***.

Cristina: And now they know, or not really. They don't know anything.

Jack: They don't really know why it rang, but it kind of supported the whole hollow argument.

Cristina: Is there a recording of the hollow ring?

Jack: No, I doubt it.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It's probably reported and crap.

Cristina: Yeah. That's crazy.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah.

Cristina: That's very Alien what?

Jack: Yeah, it's freaking crazy. And the fact that it rang for so long, it means there was a lot of hollow.

Cristina: A lot.

Jack: They slammed something going crazy fast into it. Didn't penetrate too far. Obviously it wasn't going that level of strength to penetrate. Even if it was, it would have to be like the size of a giant meteor smacking into it. But no, it just left a giant ring.

Cristina: But if we saw a giant meteor hit the moon, would we be able to hear that ring? Or like, I guess if they were there to record the sound, they'd be able to catch it.

Jack: I believe so.

Cristina: Yeah, that's true.

Jack: But also anybody who's immediate. Then again, if it's not kicking up a bunch of debris and junk, because there is something stopping it, which seems to be the case, I guess, wouldn't be dangerous to be around there. You just have to sort of dodge getting hit yourself. And with however large this thing is, the momentum it's with, you don't want it to pull you in with it. Its force.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. It'd be more complicated, I guess. We could have people there, we could have things there to record it. If we're lucky, it won't get destroyed. But, yeah, like it does. There's no harm of having something.

Jack: Yeah, you couldn't have. You don't want to risk just killing somebody for something dumb like that. But also, if there's a freaking meteor about to hit the moon, we got to get ready for, oh, yeah, like down here, we got to start making preparations. There's going to be meteor showers. There's going to be mass deaths. It's going to be crazy.

Cristina: We'll hide in the Hollow Earth, I guess.

Jack: But how long before enough of those s**** start causing earthquakes collectively because of the impact that's so consistent?

Jack: F***. Down there, yes. But out of all of these, like, crazy things, there's probably a billion more. But these are some of my favorite ones. I like the idea that there is a hollow moon and like the Mayans on Hollow Earth, that they, like, connected themselves to the matrix mode type of s***. I like the idea that on the hollow moon, aliens have connected themselves to some sort of matrix thing and have gone inward instead of outward. That's pretty cool. Maybe not all of them. Maybe that's just something they do naturally instead of exploring outward. They just, you know, live their lives in there. And it's like, hey, I'm going to the freaking arcade. And then plug into this virtual world inside. And they just do that for however Long. They want probably machines that new. Give them nutrition and crap.

Cristina: Do you think about aliens contacting humans and stuff?

Jack: That's a pretty cool idea too. Definitely possible. There is. One of the weird things we don't understand is why we became so intelligent, technologically speaking, around the 50s and expand so quickly. Now, when you look at our biology, we haven't, like, changed much since then. So that's a really interesting one. If you look at the past, we're very gradual evolvers. This part of our survival mechanism. We are really powerful at picking out what matters and writing that out. But there hasn't been a change since the f****** 50s and 60s, biologically speaking. That could just make us inherently way better at these things. And we had science for quite some time. We've had electricity for some time. For it to just suddenly happen around the time that we went to the moon, like, okay, that's kind of. That's kind of weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So there's some possibility to that. I do like the hollow moon idea that the aliens were there maybe for a very long time and then left. They were from Earth. Ancient advanced civilizations from Earth used the moon to then build the technology. Less gravity, and they can take off as a fleet to explore the rest of the stars. That's pretty cool.

Cristina: That's pretty cool. People, I guess, are rich. Using the moon as a getaway.

Jack: That's pretty cool, too. That's dope. It sucks that we're gonna be left behind in case of an emergency, but that's expected anyways.

Cristina: Yeah. Whether it's the moon or the Mars or wherever, they're just.

Jack: Yeah, they're bad.

Cristina: Nothing happens here. We're stuck here.

Jack: They'll all board an ancestorship.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, yeah, it doesn't f****** matter.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's the same story. Every possible scenario. And I like how a couple of these tie up together. So they landed on the moon later. So the moon landing was faked. The moon was hollow when they landed. And there was life on the other side. The things on the other side are advanced a lot. Life forms that are watching us.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Additionally, we agreed to them. Yes. They gave us technology regularly for NASA and the government that they interact with. And then we agreed to shield them further as our technology got better with holograms.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, like, we could tie all of these up together one way or another so they all function to some degree. The reasoning for some of them, kind of sketchy and dumb half the time, but it is cool that they can kind of function and be. Well, it is cool that we got there, but we lied about it first. And we did get there. We. We did get scared and didn't go back immediately, but did go back and communicate what was up there. And they gave us technology and we made packs and kept expanding and trading technology.

Cristina: So all the possibilities are pretty interesting. All the different ways this. All these things could work. Except for the moon not being there.

Jack: The moon not being there is f****** retarded.

Cristina: No matter.

Jack: Because we still have tidal wave. Not tidal waves. We still have tides.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that relies on the moon.

Cristina: Yes. Or at least something there.

Jack: At least something there. If. Fair enough. If the moon isn't there, something is there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And whatever that hologram is over is huge anyways.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because it has to be big enough to have tides on Earth.

Cristina: Yeah. That's the only problem with that one. And then everything else is fine.

Jack: Yes. Everything else works flawlessly.

Cristina: Or that. Then. Yeah. The whole Illuminati using money. Use. Getting NASA to make money or the fake moon or.

Jack: So dumb. There's no profit in that.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So dumb.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Yeah. I guess that's kind of how that goes. And that's basically why you need to go find somebody to listen to the episodes with.

Cristina: Yes. To learn about weird moon conspiracies.

Jack: No. So that they get Stockholm syndrome. Listen to the episode, and then you kick them out. But then they're gonna be. Get really clingy. Exactly the same way the conspiracy nutcases do about whatever subject they're talking about.

Cristina: Oh, crap. That's what you're talking about.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. You like how I brought that back around? I know what the point of this episode was. It was to say that people are psychotic.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And you're gonna make one of them extra psychotic and then regret it.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: But you would have had listened to an episode with the listening partner.

Cristina: Mm. And that's the most important thing.

Jack: Yes. And if you manage to get all those things done, then you can tell them, hey, crazy person who doesn't want to leave my home, I have a gun. If you forgot, get out.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, you got that gun to remind them exactly.

Jack: They're gonna leave no matter what. And you tell them, if you're really interested in this show and more things like it. They have so many episodes. You can find all their episodes. Guy or woman or other gender of any type that you would like to say. Xyz, the alpha Alphabet soup member. Listen. Alphabet soup member. You can listen to more episodes on the moon and other things. You can find that on the official website. If you Want guy, person, person. They. Hey, they. You can find them on the official website greatthoughts.info you. Could they. You could also find them on any other podcast platforms, like Apple Podcasts, Spotify, pretty much anywhere you get your podcasts.

Cristina: It's very confusing if you just change what the pronoun that you're using. Like you say they, then you say you, then you say he, then you say she, then you just keep on.

Jack: Yeah. Just keep shifting it as you move forward.

Cristina: That's crazy. If you could do that. Try it. And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok. On justcombopod.

Jack: Yes. And crazy person who doesn't want to leave my house. Remember, when you do listen, subscribe and rate the show. And if you feel so inclined. These guys are cool. They want your reviews.

Cristina: We do want your.

Jack: We do.

Cristina: We do. And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Crazy person. When you leave and you subscribe and you rate and you review after you've found the platform, which you prefer to listen to the show, that you're no longer gonna listen to it with me, you tell somebody else, here's a gun. There's no bullets. Because I don't want you to turn on me suddenly. But use this gun. And just how I got you to love this show and get Stockholm syndrome. Now you can go find. Find your own person to listen with.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: Do you just. What? What do they say? You pass it on.

Cristina: Is that what they call it? Yes.

Jack: Move. Passing it forward. Moving it forward.

Cristina: Moving it forward. Giving it forward.

Jack: Passing it.

Cristina: Giving it forward.

Jack: Giving it forward.

Cristina: That sounds right.

Jack: Some like that you something it forward. And now they're gonna go do the thingy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then their Stockholm syndrome person has the same experience, and they go. And the community grows on and on.

Cristina: Yes. This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: So now you're a part of the church of Shaggy, though.

Jack: Yeah. Actually, if you think of the order of the universe, it began as disorder, as chaos, and order came out of chaos.

Cristina: So it was first track.

Jack: It was first.

Cristina: Yes. And in the order of things, Shaggy came first.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Unless something represents nothing.

Jack: Well, here's.

Cristina: Or not nothing. Whatever came before this first?

Jack: Yeah, there was some. But I guess that that makes atheos not the top top. We have to say there's something bigger. Call it the God reality.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then reality was there because it's potential. And then the destructive explosion. Something is that we don't know which that one is. Then out of that explosion, chaos happen.

Cristina: Happen, Mr. Saggy. Oh, chaos.

Jack: Crap is everywhere.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And as things begin to form through balance, because Atheos things begin to destroy in equal pace, matter starts to form, collides with other matter that starts to form and thus Shaggy slamming planets and stars into one another.

Cristina: So that's the work of both Atheos and Shaggy.

Jack: Yes. That leads to the eventual settling perfect balance of entire star systems and galaxies and clusters of galaxies.

Cristina: And that would be have to do with Spaghetti Monsters.

Jack: Full order. It goes down the line.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It starts at kek between the collective work of Shaggy and Atheos. It gets form and then from that form, that balance, you then find logic. Hypostafarianism.

Cristina: Yeah. Pretty awesome.

Jack: The unification of beliefs. It's pretty fascinating.

Cristina: Yes. Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

March 13, 2021

Rambling 122: Leprechauns and Other Fairies

March 13, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

What creatures remained in Ireland after St. Patrick was done with it? And why did they stick around? Dissecting the concept of fairies on this episode!

Story:
The Duo dive into leprechauns and fairies in general in order to understand the true complex nature of what the aftermath of the St. Patrick Massacre was. A desolate, monster infested wasteland is the least of the problem for the people of Ireland. It gets worse when spirits are introduced!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

St. Patrick Demon Hunter
Jehovah the Demi-God
Sprites
Peter Dinklage
Navi
Tricksters
Giant Rat Fairy
Banshee
Succubus
Jeepers Creepers

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Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean? Welcome to Just Conversation, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideals in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

Cristina: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get get notified the second new episodes are released.

Jack: Yes, and also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner, so be sure to find somebody to make your listening partner, regardless of who they are, regardless of where they're from, regardless of. Even if you saw them on the street, casually, as they were walking, you point at them and you tell them, hey, you're my listening partner.

Cristina: And what if they walk away?

Jack: Well, then you resort to other means of getting that person who you've chosen and thus must be the one.

Cristina: They must be the one.

Jack: You chose them now. They are the one. They are the one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. That's how it goes. So the world works?

Cristina: You just make them the one?

Jack: You make them the one.

Cristina: Is it like love at first sight?

Jack: Yeah. You force them to be the one.

Cristina: The one.

Jack: The one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's your listening partner.

Cristina: That's not creepy.

Jack: No, no, it's very normal. People do it all the time.

Cristina: Mm. Guess what holidays coming up.

Jack: What holiday?

Cristina: St. Patrick's Day. Our favorite saint.

Jack: Yes, that's the OG saint. The saint that gets. He. Basically, he's God. He's the only guy God is scared of.

Cristina: He's a God. He's a guy God is scared of. What?

Jack: Yeah. God makes God do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, however he wants, simply because he wants.

Cristina: Yeah, well, God, I guess, isn't the only person afraid of St. Patrick.

Jack: I mean, he makes God scared. I'm sure just by, you know, process of elimination, everybody else should be scared.

Cristina: Yes. And everyone was scared. That's why I found the story, a different story of that he. Of him getting rid of snakes. But it wasn't just snakes that he got rid of. It was snakes and demons.

Jack: Snakes and demons?

Cristina: Yes. And there was this specific demon that didn't want to run away. When he told all the snakes and demons to leave and then they ran, what happened was he told them to leave, I guess. And so they drowned into the ocean. They listened and drowned and died.

Jack: Sweet, but what the f***?

Cristina: Yes. That's how he got rid of them. By murdering them with his words.

Jack: Sounds legit.

Cristina: Yes. And there's this specific one that can't pronounce her name, but in English, we could call her the fire Spitter.

Jack: The fire spitter?

Cristina: Yes. And she's either the devil's mom or all demons. Mom. Mom. Yes. There's two different ideas of what she was besides the fire spitter. That's what I found. It's unsure, right?

Jack: Kind of like vampire hunter D or something.

Cristina: Yes. So she might be the devil's mom. But anyway, when he was getting rid of all the snakes and demons from the island, she decided to hide.

Jack: So she survived for a little while. And she let all her children die.

Cristina: Definitely because she's too busy trying to stay alive.

Jack: It's like, f*** this. Every. Every man for themselves.

Cristina: Yes. So, like, he went on top of a mountain, and he told them to go into the sea and drown, and they did. And then she somehow. I don't know how she managed to escape, but maybe she, like, closed her ears when she saw him on the mountain. Like something bad is about to happen.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And it did. But he saw her before she could completely hide herself, and he chased her down with the fastest horse Ireland had at the time.

Jack: Faster than de Demons.

Cristina: Yeah, actually faster than demons because he did outrun her while she was running. She was too busy, though, throwing Spitfire into every water. Well, because she thought, oh, this is gonna take forever, and eventually he'll get thirsty and drink water. But he was smart and was like, I'm not going to drink this poisoned water. So he didn't drink the poisoned water, and he just kept going. And then he passed her, of course.

Jack: You mean caught up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It wasn't raised. He wasn't like, well, I passed you. You're behind me.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. And then he waited for her. And then when she came, I mean, and then when he saw her, he jumped. He jumped out of his hiding spot and banished her. And then she also drowned into the ocean.

Jack: Sweet. Okay, so everybody died.

Cristina: Yeah, everyone died, but she was the last to die.

Jack: So he's just killer of demons, forcing creatures to commit suicide left and right and sell God. So he controls gods, angels, demons, everything. He's just some sort of overpowered deity that we don't even label a deity. But he's like. He's beyond the demigod.

Cristina: He's. He is the God.

Jack: Like, we have to assume Jehovah is a demigod based on the traits we understand. Jehovah, he's. He has emotions. Yeah, an omniscient God can't have emotions. That. That wouldn't make sense. Right, And God can get jealous, angry, all these things. God needs you to worship. Him. Because he's not. He tells you specifically, worship me. No. Other gods is like, okay, so there's others like you. You're not omniscient. You're not every God all at the same time. You're one of them. Yes, but it seems like the real omniscient God is Saint Patrick. What he had a horse, is faster than demons. He could just will that to happen.

Cristina: Well, they gave it to him.

Jack: Who?

Cristina: I don't. The Ireland people. Yeah.

Jack: It was just a normal. That means it was just a normal horse. They gave him a normal horse.

Cristina: Was the fastest horse.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like here.

Jack: But to them, fast is different than to him. And he got a horse and it was probably, you know, normal fast.

Cristina: It was like a winner of normal horse races.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. But then he got on the horse.

Cristina: He powered that horse, became the fastest horse.

Jack: Knight Rider type of s***. He got on the horse, the horse flamed. It burst into flames, and it was just leaving a trail of fire.

Cristina: It died that day.

Jack: As soon as he got off it, it just became normal. And it was on fire. Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah, it died.

Jack: But he doesn't care. He kills everything.

Cristina: He kills everything. Well, if you.

Jack: That's why God is like, I'll do whatever you want. Just don't kill me.

Cristina: Because God is just an angel, a demon deity.

Jack: He's a demigod.

Cristina: Okay. So complicated. But what's even more complicated is I tried to find out what a fairy was, right. Because of St. Patrick's Day in Ireland. And they're known for fairies, right?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And I'm so confused. I'm so confused. Fairies are so many things, but what they originally were, they were seen as deities. Gods. They were gods.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: But then over time, because Christianity came to the island, they were demoted to stay around so that they wouldn't have to actually get rid of them. Because I guess the Christians actually like these stories, and they're like, wow, they're pretty interesting. But what if they were just creatures, magical creatures instead of gods? Because there can only be one God. So I don't know. Is God stronger than their God if he could turn them into magical creatures?

Jack: It was St. Patrick that did it.

Cristina: It was St. Patrick. Oh, yes. Okay.

Jack: The pioneer. The guy who brought Christianity to Ireland. St Patrick then decided, yeah, I'm a strip you guys of your exaggerated godlike powers. I don't want you to be gods anymore. Now. Now you're just f******. You're gonna be there like the humans. You can be just a different f****** creature.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then he did that, well, these.

Cristina: Guys were, I guess weren't that powerful anyway because they were the original people living on Ireland.

Jack: So you're telling me Ireland is Olympus?

Cristina: Is Olympus. Once upon a time, maybe like they were able to travel from the other world into Ireland and they loved it so much that they lived there. But then other people wanted Ireland for themselves. They've had many wars trying to defend their home, but they finally lost to St. Patrick. To the Irish people or to the ancestors of the Irish people, one led by St Patrick. Yes, he's a time travel as well. Time traveler as well.

Jack: Are we just to say that St. Patrick's is the real Kratos?

Cristina: Yes, the Kratos, Yes.

Jack: Yeah, he was just the mortal once upon a time. But eventually he killed a God, got all God's powers and used that to manipulate the rest of everything. St. Patrick, the real God of war.

Cristina: Well, from what I understand, these gods that were defeated by the Irish people shrunk themselves. They loved Ireland so much that they decided we'll just be small and live underground.

Jack: And thus the invention of midgets.

Cristina: Close, I guess. Leprechauns. Leprechauns and so many other creatures. Okay. There are so many different types of fairy races. You probably didn't think of them as fairies though. Which are dwarves, elves, gnomes, goblins, brownies and pixies.

Jack: The h*** is a brownie? Is that a racist term?

Cristina: No, it's just another short magical, human like creature thing. Yeah, they're all short magical, human like creature things.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Yes. And what I feel like when somebody.

Jack: Says leprechaun, they mean all of these things. Leprechaun is the blanket term? Almost.

Cristina: No. Leprechaun is a type of fairy.

Jack: I get that.

Cristina: Fairy is the blanket term thing.

Jack: Fairies, the blanket term.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Do Westerners say leprechaun and mean fairies and all the other stuff to Western like they mean fairy and fairies, the blanket term to them. When we say fairy, we think Na' Vi from Ocarina of Time.

Cristina: There's no fairy that's like that fairy. We made that up.

Jack: My point is exact.

Cristina: Okay, that's not a thing.

Jack: Westerners say leprechaun and mean all the different kinds of fairies.

Cristina: I don't know. I think we just see leprechauns as leprechauns.

Jack: Right. But if you showed us a different one of those fairies, what would we call it? We would probably call it a leprechaun.

Cristina: Even an elf. If we saw elf or gnome. We know what gnomes are.

Jack: Oh, S***. Okay, there we go. Now we're getting to places.

Cristina: Dwarfs. You know what a dwarf is?

Jack: A dwarf is just a person.

Cristina: No, they're magical little people. They're magical.

Jack: Whoa. So you're telling me Peter Dinklage is a magical fairy?

Cristina: No.

Jack: And that's why he has all these jobs.

Cristina: He's sprinkling has become two different things. Okay.

Jack: He's sprinkling his fairy dust all over people. You're telling me he's unfairly in justly getting these jobs when Wee man should be getting some of them?

Cristina: Look, fairies are complicated. They're very complicated. He may be a fairy because fairies could be every and many things. There's so many words for fairies. You could say fairy, but you can also call them sprites, you can call them spirits, you can call them supernatural entities. You can even call them angels and demons.

Jack: Right? Okay. We've established this in the Shadow Realm episode. For further information, go back there. Listen to that. Get informed.

Cristina: It is so annoying. It's so annoying.

Jack: It is. When I was figuring that out.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I came across a lot of these problems in which limbo is purgatory, and that is the Shadow Realm, and that is an alternate version of this reality. And that what's there is here and here is there. And it's the same, but different. It has a different name, but it's the same. It's like. Yeah, it's complicated.

Cristina: There was one thing about the other, the other realm that I don't know if you talked about that I think. If you haven't, I just want to mention, though, is that time works different there.

Jack: Probably. The concept of time in itself might be entirely different.

Cristina: Yeah, but, like, for the rare people that have been able to go there and come back, hundreds of years would pass by.

Jack: It depends.

Cristina: It depends.

Jack: It depends. Let's say you get there through some form of astral projection, and you're there as a spirit. Right. Your spirit might be over there hundreds of years, and over here, hundreds of years don't pass. You might come back after being hundreds of years over there and it was only one night's sleep over here.

Cristina: Oh, I read the opposite of.

Jack: Well, that's my point. It depends on the approach that's happening.

Cristina: Oh, okay. All right. So it's. That's as complicated as the word fairy. Okay.

Jack: It's very, very f*****.

Cristina: Yes. But. Okay, so there's the leprechaun, the most famous fairy. Right. Maybe.

Jack: I'd say that other than Navi, she's not a fairy. What the h*** is she. They call her a fairy.

Cristina: That's an American made up creature. So is Tinkerbell. Tinkerbell is not a fairy.

Jack: Well, she's not a fairy by their terms. But then you have to tell me that a Japanese dragon like Shenron and then a Western dragon, that's like a giant lizard, like an iguana, a ginormous iguana with wings that breathes fire, are not both dragons.

Cristina: Okay, well, we're. Right now we're just talking about Irish creatures. Okay. They're not Irish fairies.

Jack: Got you. They're not Irish fairies.

Cristina: Correct. Because this is an Irish episode to celebrate our favorite saint.

Jack: Got you.

Cristina: So. Yeah. So what was it? Navi.

Jack: Navi.

Cristina: Navi. I guess that's a Japanese fairy.

Jack: Yes, but she's not an Irish. And she's specifically a Shinto Japanese fairy.

Cristina: Okay. And then I guess the Americans made. Not the Americans. The English made Tinkerbell.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay. But yes, none of these fairies have wings. I guess is one interesting different thing from all the ones that you could think. The ones you mentioned.

Jack: Yeah, you can actually see that in a lot of cultures where there is a shift in there. If we go back to the dragons, the Japanese dragons don't have wings. They're just like floating snake things.

Cristina: I thought it was the Chinese dragon.

Jack: Oh, it's a Chinese dragon. Well, I guess both of them, right? Yeah, they're pretty similar.

Cristina: Okay. The Asian dragons and then.

Jack: Yeah, Asian dragons. There you go. The Asian dragons don't have wings and then the western dragons do. Yeah, the Asian dragons are kind of like a snake, but the western dragons are like a lizard.

Cristina: But they're both huge, I think. Right?

Jack: Yeah, they're both ginormous. Although I believe the Japanese dragon is much bigger. Do they have. Are there any fairy, like any dragon, like fairies without wings and like floating snake thing or. They're all little people.

Cristina: They're all little people. I will talk about. I do want to talk about some other creatures in Ireland that I don't know if they're under the fairy description.

Jack: Interesting. So then tell me which one are the fairies? What? Break them down and explain these to me.

Cristina: Okay, there's. I'm gonna mention like. Okay, there's the leprechaun, of course.

Jack: What's the get up there?

Cristina: He's the lucky fairy, I guess. He's the one with the gold in the end of the rainbow. And you can get it if you catch him. He'll grant you three wishes, but you have to do it quickly because he'll try to trick You. And that would suck.

Jack: Trick you how?

Cristina: Well. Oh, One of the things about these fairies is they're all tricksters. They're all tricksters. I don't know if there's any fairies that aren't tricksters, but they all seem like tricksters. And they're not seen as evil. Trick tricksters evil either. Yes, but some of them do sound evil. Some of them are evil tricksters. Some of them are just regular trolley guys. But the leprechaun seems like the good kind, I guess, of the tricksters. Anyway, there's a story about a guy who caught a leprechaun and he wished to be taken to the gold. And the. And the leprechaun did show him where the tree was, where the gold was hidden. So the man put a marking on the tree and he let go of the leprechaun to find a shovel. But then when he came back, all the trees were marked the same way he marked the tree that he had.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yep. Yep.

Jack: So there was no way for him to tell which one it was?

Cristina: Nope. He really messed up on that.

Jack: Yeah, so.

Cristina: So if you get a leprechaun, he shows you the gold, you gotta somehow.

Jack: Get it at that moment.

Cristina: At that moment, yes.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: I wonder if you can waste the wish, though, to have the leprechaun help you get the gold and also to leave you alone.

Jack: I'm sure there's wish rules, otherwise systems would be broken. You could also wish for many wishes if you could do that, you know.

Cristina: Yeah, but could you trust a leprechaun to tell you the rules of the wishes if there are tricksters?

Jack: Well, on the first one, you wish to be told the rules. If you have three wishes. On the second one, if it's not against the rules, then you wish for more wishes. And if it is against the rules, then you didn't waste a wish and instead you asked the leprechaun to help you. Unless that's also against rules.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In which case you still got two wishes, but I don't know, like, one.

Cristina: Of the other still has to be to show you where the gold is.

Jack: Yes. Okay, fine. So now you know where the gold is. The other one has to be, don't kill me while I take this gold.

Cristina: Don't kill. Well, he might not kill you. He just won't want you to steal his gold. So he's gonna do some other weird thing that probably hurts you, but doesn't murder you. Yeah, he's not evil.

Jack: Don't disrupt me at all.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: While stealing Your gold.

Cristina: Alright. Even though they're not seen as evil, there are some stories where they sound a bit evil. So there's this story about a king who fell asleep on a beach and when he woke up, he found himself being dragged into the sea by three leprechauns.

Jack: To drown.

Cristina: I'm pretty sure to drown him. Maybe he's related to St. Patrick and they're like, we gotta get revenge.

Jack: It could be. Who the h*** knows? Maybe it was St. Patrick, but he.

Cristina: Was able to catch one of them and. And they granted him three wishes in exchange for them to release him.

Jack: And then what was one of the wishes?

Cristina: I don't know. To be released.

Jack: That's it. Guy just got. We got the story of a guy who caught a leprechaun and we don't know what he wished for.

Cristina: He died. It was a lie. They're just trying to cover up that they're evil because there's some. There's stories that differ between whether a leprechaun is harmless or really, really evil. So I guess it depends. I don't know. Some are evil, some aren't. That's what I'm going with.

Jack: There is a literal movie about evil leprechauns, I believe, called Leprechaun.

Cristina: Yeah, it's some weird horror movie series thing.

Jack: Serious. Oh, it's. There's many of them.

Cristina: There's many movies. So many. Like it's like a Freddy versus, you know, a Freddy movie or a Jason movie. It's just like he keeps coming back.

Jack: Oh, is it the same leprechaun?

Cristina: I'm not sure. I think so. It looks the same. Crappy looking version. I've never seen a nice looking leprechaun. Yeah, version, but okay, like Chucky. Who does he ever change his look? It's always the same dude being in a doll, right?

Jack: I think so.

Cristina: That dude is just unlucky. He should just die. His life sucks. I don't know what he's doing. Although everything he's doing in the rest of the movies make no sense because the. In the original movie he was. If he can't get into a child's body in I think a certain amount of time, then he's stuck in the doll's body. So that's it. He's stuck in that body like the rest of the movies don't make any sense of him trying to get into another person's body because he wasted the time. It's over for him.

Jack: Yeah, that's weird.

Cristina: But he still tries. But. And of Course, never does. But even if he managed, it doesn't make sense to the first movie unless they change that in the reboot. But anyway, there are other types of things that are very similar to leprechauns, and one of them is, I guess, he's a lot like a leprechaun. But he loves to drink and he's famous to haunt wine cellars and drink all the wine in there.

Jack: So he's an alcoholic?

Cristina: Basically, yes, he's the alcoholic leprechaun. And he's also described as a trickster and a practical jokester because I guess most leprechauns are. Then there's another leprechaun type fairy which likes to seduce women.

Jack: As a short individual.

Cristina: Yes, he's really good at seducing ladies. He goes to lonely places where I guess they're just like, why? I just want to fall in love. And then he comes and then they're like, whoa, make love to me. I don't know how his magic works. He comes on them and he comes on them. But it's very unlucky to meet him. Very. Because his skin is addictive and put in to it's toxic and addictive and seducing the person, they really. They really just become addicted to him. Like they need him.

Jack: Right, so it's his power.

Cristina: Well, it's his skin's power. I mean, yeah, it's his power, like superpower type thing. And the women end up dying from withdrawal after he leaves.

Jack: So they all die.

Cristina: Yep, yep, they die. But then there's the Farduring, which is the evil leprechaun, because none of those are evil. They're not evil. Except for that one that sounds a little.

Jack: How is this one any more or less evil?

Cristina: Well, this guy. Oh, his name translates to Red man. This guy Redman, he wears a red cape and hat and he does some really gross practical jokes. Like he likes to put people into sacks and kidnap people. And then there was a story where he makes them make him dinner and then when they look at the dinner, it's a witch. I don't know. I don't know how that's evil or whatever. That's just weird.

Jack: Very strange. Yes, yes.

Cristina: This is a very strange thing. But usually he just traps people in rooms.

Jack: That doesn't sound like malicious or evil. It just sounds like a douchebag.

Cristina: And. Yeah, it does. It does. He does terrifying noises. One of them is described as laughing like a dead man, which I'm not really sure what that sounds like, but that sounds like, it would be terrifying if you knew that that's what you're specifically listening to. Maybe it's a person you knew that died and you hear that laughing.

Jack: That would make sense.

Cristina: That's kind of horrifying.

Jack: Yeah, Like a very distinct laugh that you shouldn't be hearing.

Cristina: Mm. And he's also the people. The person stealing the human babies and replacing them with changelings. Remember the changelings we talked about last year?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yep. He's the one. He's. He's the one doing it.

Jack: Why does he kidnap the children again?

Cristina: To replace them with. I don't know. To replace. As a joke, I guess. To replace them with fairy children. Right.

Jack: And then what does he do with the kid?

Cristina: Don't remember we talked about this last year, and I don't remember. You don't remember?

Jack: No.

Cristina: I'm not sure. Maybe the kids are slaves while they're baby. Like, they don't.

Jack: Underwear gnome logic.

Cristina: Yes, But I guess the purpose, though, of stealing the human babies so that these other babies could be raised and they don't have to actually raise the babies. Fairies are lazy, and they don't want to raise their babies. So they're like, let's get these humans.

Jack: To raise our babies minus a human baby they now have to raise.

Cristina: I'm sure they're not raising those babies. They throw them in the trash.

Jack: And thus the question of where trash babies come from is answered.

Cristina: Yes. That's where trash babies come from. They're also. They also bring nightmares. And they just. They just like to terror. Terrorize people. They just love terrorizing.

Jack: I mean, minus the kidnapping part. Everything else is pretty. Pretty chill.

Cristina: Even the swapping babies thing is chill.

Jack: That's the part I'm talking about.

Cristina: Oh, I thought you meant the other kidnapping of, like, when he made the guy cook and then it somehow became a witch, or trapping the person in a room, and then the scary voices.

Jack: None of that is kidnapping.

Cristina: None of that is kidnapping. But that all sounds pretty bad. No. Okay.

Jack: Sounds scary, not evil.

Cristina: Okay. Well, there's one way to avoid his tricks. You have to say, you will not mock me before he traps you.

Jack: So you could just walk around saying, you will not mock me.

Cristina: Yes, but they. But it's really hard because they set up very good traps. So you have to say before you're trapped, but you might end up being trapped before you say it, so you gotta say it. I guess you have to walk around saying it, just hoping not to get trapped.

Jack: Yeah. Or is it just, like, how. What's the Deadline on this. Can you just say it now and then you're just good forever?

Cristina: Maybe. I don't know. Probably not. You probably have to walk around saying that they're also called rat boys because they're fat.

Jack: The evil ones?

Cristina: Yes, the evil ones. They're fat. They have dark hairy skin. They have a long snout and a skinny tail.

Jack: So they don't look like dwarfs. No, they don't look human.

Cristina: They don't. They look like a giant rat. I guess they look like a. They look like a giant rat. But they're still described as being a type of leprechaun. But an evil leprechaun.

Jack: An evil rat. Leprechaun.

Cristina: Evil rat. Leprechaun. Yes. That cause nightmares and bad luck.

Jack: I feel like this is totally backwards because instead of it being a little person, it's just a giant rat.

Cristina: It's just a giant rat. Oh, it is a giant rat. Yeah. Maybe it's not a leprechaun. Maybe it's just a giant magical rat.

Jack: Sounds like it.

Cristina: Yeah. So then it's just a fairy. Not really a leprechaun. A leprechaun. So who knows. And then there's some other Ireland creatures. There's these things called the Merrow men. And the merrow. The Merrow men are ugly sea creatures. And the females are called marrows. Are beautiful because they're always beautiful, aren't they? All the women are beautiful in these type of stories.

Jack: Yeah. That's how the succubus is so attractive. And the incubus is, I don't know. A monster.

Cristina: Yes. Oh yeah, we talked about that too. Yeah, that's. And the Merrell. The Merrells are not. They're not mermaids. They have human legs instead of a tail. Except that they're. They have large flat feet and webbed fingers to help them swim.

Jack: So they are basically the swamp creature.

Cristina: Yes, they're the swamp creature. And the Merrell's ability to. To swim in water or to travel in water is from her clothes. She has a cape or a cap, depending on the story. And when she takes it off, she loses the ability. And usually a man will find it and hide it so that he could marry her because she's beautiful. And also she has lots of gold from the sea, I guess.

Jack: Okay. Sweet. Fantastic. So like a half fish woman. That's gorgeous.

Cristina: Yes. And rich.

Jack: And rich.

Cristina: Yes. And then. But if she finds her missing cape or cap, she'll end up running away and returning to the sea, leaving her husband and their children and many Families claim to be descendants from these Merrells who were entrapped by fishermen.

Jack: Really? Like, somewhere up the line, their grandma was a fish lady who jumped in the water. And we're sure that it wasn't just a crazy lady who committed suicide?

Cristina: Yeah. It could just be a lady who just abandoned her family. Maybe committed suicide, maybe not. Maybe she just abandoned her family and they were like, no way would she abandon us. She must have been a marrow.

Jack: Chances are the father made that lie up for the children.

Cristina: Yes. And then there's this thing called a banshee, which is a female spirit. I'm not sure. Spirit, fairy, sprite? I don't know.

Jack: I've heard of banshees. They're known for screaming.

Cristina: They're known for screaming? Yes. Well, crying. They're considered a omen of death. Whenever you hear her, you could assume someone's about to die.

Jack: That makes sense. They. They're known. You like, you hear them in the woods and s***. A lot of the time you hear the screams of a banshee. There's a couple of songs about that too.

Cristina: Really? Well, there's some stories where they just find her by their window. She's just next to their window crying.

Jack: That's f****** horrifying.

Cristina: Yes, well, her appearance isn't that. Well, sometimes. It depends, because she has three different appearances. She can look like a young lady, she can look like a regular woman, and she can look like a withering hag. So her age varies.

Jack: F****** banshee.

Cristina: And she can also appear as a crow, weasel or another creature called a stout. That, I think is also a type of weasel.

Jack: I didn't know that. So she could, like, shapeshift.

Cristina: Yeah. And I have three stories of this banshee lady. There was a couple who stayed at a friend's castle, a friend's castle. And on the first night around 1am, the wife heard a cry by the window. And when she looked, she saw some lady there, a lady leaning on the window, crying. And she woke up her husband scared and stuff. And then in the next day, they told. I don't know if they told their friend the story, but anyway, the next day their friend told them that she was all night up because she was with her dying cousin and her very sick cousin. And at the same time, he died. Okay. She told them that even though it's the best room of the house, there's a ghost of a lady that haunts the house. The ghost is of the former owner of the house who killed his wife. His pregnant wife. And that's the banshee that hangs out in the window?

Jack: His former wife? Yeah, but she died inside the house. Why is she hanging outside as a ghost?

Cristina: Why is she hanging outside as a ghost? Because that's what banshees do. I don't know. There's no stories of a banshee hanging out inside a house.

Jack: So she got killed and was like, I'm gonna go outside now.

Cristina: What if she got killed outside?

Jack: I thought she got killed in the house.

Cristina: No, he got. He died in the house. Her cousin died in the house.

Jack: Didn't he kill her?

Cristina: No, The. The owners of the house. The original. The former owners of the house. The husband killed the wife.

Jack: And that's the banshee.

Cristina: And that's the banshee? Yes.

Jack: The wife that died.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Why didn't she haunt the house from inside the house where she died?

Cristina: We don't know that she died inside the house.

Jack: Didn't he kill her in the house?

Cristina: He killed her and they lived in that house.

Jack: Got it.

Cristina: But that doesn't.

Jack: Got it, got it, got it.

Cristina: I understand.

Jack: I understand.

Cristina: Like, yes, maybe he did kill her in the house, but I don't. We don't know that. We don't know where he killed her. It could be anywhere. So. But that's one story. Then there's stories where people from Ireland, they move far away and a banshee still follows them. It finds their way to them.

Jack: That's interesting. Reminds me of that show that's totally full of s*** of the people who moved into the house. Or do you know the people who tell them they're f****** the time I saw a ghost or whatever the f***. And then they got reenactors and s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The ghost story in the room.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, okay.

Jack: That s*** that. This reminds me of that, like, he would. They were like, if we move, we'll be fine. Then they did, and then he stopped seeing her for a while, and then she popped up again.

Cristina: Well, she was hispan. She.

Jack: Except she wasn't screaming. She was just hanging in a closet. Except she was originally from the closet that she was hung in.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then she was just like, now, Imma go hang in your new closet.

Cristina: Yes. And then I think he also saw.

Jack: Her outside, which makes no f****** sense because presumably she was haunting the place, Meaning now she haunts you. And anybody who lives in that house is fine.

Cristina: Now, I don't. I don't know how ghosts work. What if they can haunt more than one thing at a time?

Jack: That's crazy. Anybody who goes through that house is haunted by the saint. So if everybody in the world stayed at that house and then moved, they would all be haunted by the same ghost at the same time.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that's what's happening with this banshee. Basically.

Cristina: Except none of his family was haunted and they all lived there. Maybe have to be in that specific room.

Jack: Could be.

Cristina: How are we gonna get all these people into that room?

Jack: That's crazy.

Cristina: That's crazy. But yes, like the banshee and these, these two stories, they moved to. They moved to Canada and Yeah. They heard the cry. And then the next day in one of the stories, the man of the house and his oldest son died in a boating accident. The next day after they heard the strange cry, they also asked people about the strange cry and no one saw anyone by the house, but they all heard the cry.

Jack: That's fascinating. I wonder if that has happened recently, like with banshees, you know? So banshees is an Irish creature.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Interesting, interesting. Because that's prominent in Western culture. That's prominent as h*** over here because.

Cristina: Irish people came over here and brought their banshees.

Jack: Interesting, interesting. Can you imagine? Like, let's say banshees are for facts. Real, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, I'll probably hunt one down. We'll make that a mission. We'll add them to the collection of f******. What do we have so far? F****** werewolves and reptilian vampires. And vampires. We got a bunch of s***. Imprisoned.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: On Mars.

Cristina: We want to find if banshees can haunt people that aren't related to Irish.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: So that.

Jack: That'll be interesting to see a banshee for now.

Cristina: Alright. Because some first. For now it's only been people from Ireland or. Yeah. That have some blood in Ireland that they hunt.

Jack: That's so weird. I'm curious. A banshee is a really weird creature. It really is. Because it's like a person, but also not.

Cristina: It's not a person.

Jack: Yeah. Because like you're saying in Irish culture a banshee is a leprechaun.

Cristina: Not a leprechaun.

Jack: A fairy.

Cristina: A fairy? Yes.

Jack: Okay. It's a fairy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: In Irish culture the banshee is a fairy.

Cristina: Yes. The best description is a spirit. But to me it seems like spirit could equal fairy. Could equal whatever.

Jack: Yeah. Because they're used almost interchangeably.

Cristina: Yeah. So that's why I'm not sure what she is.

Jack: So when we get to her, it's kind of vague. Because a woman died and became a banshee.

Cristina: Yes. In this story. Yeah. Or the banshee haunts where the woman died. And it's not the woman.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Interest. Holy crap. That's kind of fascinating. Wow. So it could either be that people turn into banshees or.

Cristina: I never thought that people could turn into banshees in. With these things. It seems like these creatures in Ireland are separate things. They're not human. Yeah. They're their own species.

Jack: Enter the shadow realm, a place where there is a part of people that naturally exists. And upon crossing the threshold, that was still the person, but it's also not. So is the banshee a tortured soul from the shadow realm that crossed over. So maybe it was that woman's spirit. Yeah, but the shadow realm version, maybe. Intense emotion, fear, and all these things that are required for a creature from the shadow realm to manifest were all present at the death of this person and maybe lingers in there as people know about the story and create the fear that allows the banshee to continue manifesting on this side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It is her tortured soul from the other side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Although she died somehow, her soul didn't die. Maybe adrenochrome isn't the only way.

Cristina: Yes, maybe adrenochrome is, but then that would mean like all the emotions and feelings and stuff are somehow part of it.

Jack: Yeah. Because we know that people extract adrenochrome or whatever they're getting that keeps them alive from the fear itself.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Where they don't need the adrenal chrome. So if you get enough of that all in one shot. Is that what a haunting soul is? Like a spirit that's left behind? Right. And you're haunting a place. That's your version. That's your spirit that's from the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That came through. But why? It's usually because you were killed brutally or some. Some horrible thing happened, except your soul couldn't fade away. The crazy amount of emotion, fear, sadness, all those things existed at the moment of your death and tethered your soul to that.

Cristina: But it's still. The Banshee is very different from regular ghosts because it's. It's only here to warn you. Like someone's about to die, which regular ghosts don't really do anything.

Jack: Or Spirit. Yeah, because ghost is an spirit.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Regular spirit or shadow person.

Cristina: Yeah. As far as we can tell, they're not any type of warning sign. They're not going to tell you anything. Thing about the future.

Jack: Yeah. They're not there intentionally. They're just echoing through. Or if they.

Cristina: The banshee is more like the groundhog?

Jack: Yeah, it's more like the groundhog. It's there for information of some sort. But my question is, is it choosing to, or is it a reflex? Is the Banshee incapable, capable of telling.

Cristina: People that it's someone they know is about to die?

Jack: Yes. Do you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, do they have to do it even if they didn't want to? They're just somewhere where death is. And they scream at death.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But then again, if we think of the Shadow Realm. Again, not to stay on the Shadow Realm topic. The reapers also call the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Other realm, because that's what this is in this place now, I guess.

Jack: So the other Realm, the reaper comes from the other realm. And the Reaper handles life. It is a delivery mechanism in the form of a physical being.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And maybe the Banshee is terrified of the Reaper. Of the Reaper. Because it's always maybe coming for the Banshee.

Cristina: She's warning about the Reaper then.

Jack: I don't think she's warning anybody.

Cristina: She's just horrified. Of the Reaper?

Jack: Yes, because that's a lingering tethered soul to the wrong side. And the Reaper delivers souls.

Cristina: I don't know. But I think this third story might change our mind a little bit about that. Because in the third situation of a Banshee haunting a man because his daughter was gonna die, but he didn't know that she was healthy, strong, and beautiful. And then one night, he heard a voice coming from his window, and it said. Which is weird. Like, they usually just cry. And it was crying too, but it also said, in three weeks, death. In three weeks, the grave. Dead, dead, dead. That's what he heard. And then the next day, his daughter got sick or was showing symptoms of a fever. And then three weeks later, dead.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. So it was a warning.

Cristina: It was a real warning of, like, I know what's gonna happen.

Jack: It's not that they're seeing death actively in the area, even if other people can't, because they themselves are ethereal and seeing other ethereal beings.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's that they're seeing the future.

Cristina: Yes. Like, maybe it does see death coming, but it knows, like, specific.

Jack: Oh, my God. We're missing one thing that you mentioned earlier.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And then I specified earlier, time works differently on the other side. So maybe from this side they're saying, death is coming, but it takes crazy long here. But from that side's point of view, it's immediate. He's approaching quick. But it could be weeks.

Cristina: Yeah. Even though this one is specific. Or maybe he remembers it as it being super specific.

Jack: Maybe they were super specific. Maybe the person the banshee telling the information knew specifically the. The conversion rate of time.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And was like. Well, it takes them about three hours on this side, so we'll say like three weeks.

Cristina: Yeah. So like banshees may know the time difference equivalent of what's going on. Okay.

Jack: Just a possibility.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. And then there's the Fear Gorda. And Fear Gordas look like zombies. Actually. I think they are zombies, but we're just gonna. Well, they're like zombies from like old fashioned zombie movies. Like they're. They got bones popping out of their body. They're like super thin, they have bluish skin and their flesh is rotting.

Jack: Yeah. So it sounds like a zombie from an old school interpretation of a zombie, but like a freaking God decided to look like this s***. It was like f****** reason for it though.

Cristina: During famines it comes around and it asks for food. It asks people for food who are already dying in a famine. But if you give him the food, he'll reward you with. But if you give him food, he'll reward you with a lifelong wealth and prosperity. And those who don't give him food will have bad luck and poverty.

Jack: Sounds pretty badass. So he's testing the morality of people.

Cristina: Yes. In the worst situation, in the life and death situation, because it's a famine.

Jack: So you're starving. I'm starving. Do you care about others? Can you.

Cristina: That's a true test. That sounds very godly.

Jack: Yeah, that's very noble.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He's testing a real person. Like, do you remain a good person in the worst of circumstances?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then you deserve good things.

Cristina: Yes. That's pretty interesting. Yeah. And then there are stories. There's two. There's like. Okay, I'll say. There's like three stories of these creatures that are very vampire. Like the author of Dracula might have based it on these creatures because he's Irish.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: But he also liked folklore, so. And he did travel, so he of course also based on other famous vampires and stories.

Jack: Transylvanian legends and whatnot.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. So the first one is called the Avatar, the evil Irish magical dwarf king who was like. He was just pretty evil. And he killed. He was killed and buried standing up. And then the next day he came back from the grave and used his magical powers to be even more crueler than he was before. And he loves to drink the blood of his victims, of course. And there's only one way to stop him. You must kill him. And Bury him upside down. Very vampirey.

Jack: Very vampirey. Including all the weird ways to get rid of them and crap.

Cristina: Yes. The second vampire is a lady, and she is called the Red Bloodsucker. She's known as the Red Bloodsucker. She seduces men and then drains their blood. One of the stories about how she became a vampire was that she was in love with some poor peasant dude, and her father didn't like that, so he made her marry some rich dude who treated her terrible. And then eventually she committed suicide. But then she came back to get revenge on her father and her husband, and she sucked their blood until they were dead. And then now she does that once.

Jack: A year to random people.

Cristina: To random people.

Jack: She's Jeeper Scrapers.

Cristina: Well, to men, specifically. She wants men.

Jack: Oh, so she's a succubus.

Cristina: She's a Succubus. Well, yeah, but she's a vampire. And there is only one way to, quote, unquote, defeat her, because it's not really to defeat her. Like, what, did you compare her to a succubus? No, before that. Jeepers Creepers.

Jack: Jeepers Creepers.

Cristina: To stop her is like, Jeepers Creepers. You don't really defeat her. You put rocks on her grave and then she can't get up.

Jack: Yeah. You just enable her.

Cristina: Yeah. For only a year, and then she'll try to get out, and then you got to put some more rocks.

Jack: She sounds very Jeepers Creepers.

Cristina: Yeah. So maybe Jeepers Creepers was inspired by some Dracula stories or.

Jack: No, it was actually inspired by a song.

Cristina: By a song. Oh, yeah.

Jack: But that song could have used not only the song, but it could have been like a mesh of this story, a song, and a bunch of other crap to make. Because Jeepers Creeper is a scary m***********.

Cristina: Yeah. But that whole coming back every 23 years, or whatever it was isn't from the song, though.

Jack: No.

Cristina: No. So like, maybe that was inspired by this type of story. Yeah. And then the third vampire, like, person or demon? This one's more. This is a fairy vampire, and her name is Lennon Sid. I think that's how her name is said. And she's a demon that likes to inspire poets and musicians. But once they. Once they make the thing that they're gonna make, I guess she drinks their blood, she shares with them her intelligence, creativity, and magic. But when she leaves, the men go into a deep depression and they die. Then she will take her dead lovers back to her lair. And then, rather sucking their blood, she puts their blood into a Giant red cauldron, which is the source of her beauty and artistic inspiration.

Jack: Fantastic.

Cristina: Yep. So to prevent her from rising, you have to also put stones on her resting place.

Jack: Interesting, Interesting. So definitely a vampire, too.

Cristina: Yeah, she's a fairy vampire, which I guess the dwarf guy is a fairy vampire because dwarves are fairies. But then the second lady, she's just a vampire. She was human, and then she became a vampire.

Jack: So we're back to the same problem of the difference between a spirit and a fairy.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. That's why it's all so complicated. And I'm not really sure what is. What if they're all the same or if they're not the same or whatever. Where's the lines?

Jack: Yeah. Cause it seems like they do blur.

Cristina: Yes. And then the last creature, because there's so many creatures. But I'm just gonna stop at this one. It's called the Questing Beast. It is a cool creature. It's also an evil creature who has the head of a snake, the body of a leopard, the backside of a lion, and the hooves of a deer. And its cries. Its sound. The sound it makes sounds like the cry it makes sounds like the bark.

Jack: Of 30 dogs all at once simultaneously.

Cristina: Yes. And I think it's called the Questing Beast because many knights have tried to defeat this beast. I don't know if any has succeeded.

Jack: But so they go out of their way. It's an accomplishment. They're trying to do status thing. If I defeat it, I am a legend.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay, so it's a western dragon again. You go defeat the dragon for the status now. It will be the best knight ever. Everybody will know. And so the Questing Beast is the same idea.

Cristina: That's the same thing.

Jack: Very interesting. It sounds like a Pokemon.

Cristina: It sounds like they'll turn this into a Pokemon someday.

Jack: Yeah, fair enough. Then again, they don't make Pokemon out of animals anymore. It's sooner that you'll have, like, microphone. The Pokemon. There probably is a microphone Pokemon. I'm pretty sure that's a thing already.

Cristina: No, not yet.

Jack: I think that's. There's a microphone Pokemon.

Cristina: That's the next evolution. I mean, the next season or whatever.

Jack: There's a Pokemon. It's called, like, Mikey or something.

Cristina: No, it's not Mikey.

Jack: Yeah, man. There's totally a microphone Pokemon. Oh, my God. What is it? What the h*** is that thing? Is that a real Pokemon?

Cristina: I think that's fan. A fan art. Because there is a Pokemon that has different forms that looks like that, and that's what they're making fun of, I think.

Jack: Okay, fair enough.

Cristina: But we could double check. Look, his name is Rotom, the voice form. Okay, let's see what Rotom's different forms are, though. Okay, so he's Rotom.

Jack: Could be a frigerator, f****** lawnmower. Modem, a laundry. He could be a washing machine. He could be a grill. He could be a fridge, a freaking fan. And what the h*** is that other one?

Cristina: This one? This one. The original, I guess, is just, like, normal electricity. Yeah. And then he. Yeah, he turns into things that need electricity.

Jack: Bro, what the h*** is going on with Pokemon?

Cristina: Close enough. You're right. There's a microphone.

Jack: There totally isn't, but there should totally be a microphone.

Cristina: Look at him. He's a Pokedex.

Jack: Oh, my God.

Cristina: So there's fan art of, like, the many different things he could probably turn into. If you can be these things, there's probably a limited, unlimited possibility of what he could actually turn into.

Jack: Freaking Rotom.

Cristina: As long as they're electric. I mean, electronical, right? Yeah, like a computer.

Jack: That makes perfect sense. But it's like, why is this a freaking Pokemon? A blender. A toaster.

Cristina: I'm not sure what this one's supposed to be.

Jack: Where's the other one? Next to it.

Cristina: That one?

Jack: No, the one that's a toaster. What the h*** is that?

Cristina: No idea. Okay, so people are getting really creative of what this should look like. What?

Jack: Freaking Rotom, bro.

Cristina: Yes, I would like to see Quest Beast as a Pokemon.

Jack: That'd be cool. Questy. Questy Equestrian.

Cristina: Oh, that's a cool name.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it is a cool name.

Cristina: Well, that was awesome. And there's a lot of creatures in Ireland. Ridiculous. That place is popular.

Jack: Yes, but what has made me interested about everything you've talked about is really digging into a banshee. Yeah, like, at this point, we've become the new Sam and Dean. They're off air. They're. They're. They're living their lives. We still hunting? S***, they stopped. We're still going. We're still hunting.

Cristina: Yeah, they're the ones that taught us.

Jack: Yeah, except we have a freaking army of subhumans provided by the Chinese cloning program. Yeah, which is totally fine. Look, it's totally fine. Actually, it's not the cloning program. We're the clones. It's all the aborted babies.

Cristina: The aborted babies make the.

Jack: The subhumans.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Aborted babies equal an army of subhumans that are superior because they're genetically engineered and then turn into Superhumans that then we use to hunt these creat like the ones in Ireland. And now I am fascinated by a banshee.

Cristina: Except that these creatures have. Are really secretive and they can hide and stuff. And like, I don't know. Finding a banshee really hard.

Jack: I'll figure it out, okay? I will figure out finding a banshee.

Cristina: Well, that's gonna be fun.

Jack: It's gonna be astounding. I will find the banshee by any means necessary.

Cristina: All right?

Jack: I promise. That much.

Cristina: I can't wait.

Jack: Yes. It's gonna be exciting.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Anyways, if you guys enjoyed this conversation and many conversations of this nature already exist on this show, that you can go find those locations would be to find them on the official website, greathoughts.info Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and anywhere else you get your podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. UsConvopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe, rate, and review.

Cristina: The show and let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth. It's totally amazing. Scream at people as if you were a banshee and tell them, hey, you're gonna love that. And they're gonna be like, yeah, I will. And you're like, yeah, cool. Scream with me. And then they'll scream with you. You should do that to random people on the street. Because they love it.

Cristina: They love it.

Jack: They love it.

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal. And thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: Kekken Apheos. Go on. Hang in hand.

Cristina: And that's what KEK is all about.

Jack: Chaos. Yeah. Embracing chaos. It's a natural part of everything. But so is order. And having order and reason and logic. In no moment does Kek's chaos interfere with Pastafarianism. Logic. The goal is be reasonable. Same thing with Kek. You control, but you don't hurt people.

Cristina: Because it's just a joke.

Jack: It's just a joke. If you're crossing the line, you're f****** up.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You're doing it wrong.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's not about hurting other people. It's about that balance of you can have fun. Some people are gonna get annoyed.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But they should know that they're getting annoyed at a joke.

Cristina: It's so weird how anything could have a religion. Thinking of Shaggy. Shaggy. The church of Shaggy.

Jack: Yeah. What happens with Shaggy is the idea that destruction is equal to creation. So not only do we maintain balance, but we need to understand that sometimes things. A good example is, as writers, we often have to get rid of something and destroy something because it's just not working out. It's the weak link in what we're trying to do. And sometimes you're attached to the idea, but the story isn't attached to the idea.

Cristina: I usually just remove them. I don't delete them or anything.

Jack: Well, you can remove them, put them somewhere else, but you're destroying the concept you were working with to change it for something else.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that just goes hand in hand with. To maintain balance, you must destroy sometimes.

Cristina: That's an interesting way to see it. Yeah.

Jack: Shaggy is important.

Cristina: He is.

Jack: He's important in everything. You must destroy in order to create their hand in hand.

March 06, 2021

Rambling 121: Moon Folklore

March 06, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

What did our ancestors believe about the moon? And how did they come to these conclusions? Unpacking cultural stories about the moon.

Story
The duo decide to begin investigations into the moon. Starting their search for knowledge on cultural tales told through the ages, the duo begins to understand how similar these stories are to one another. In questioning these similarities, the duo comes to an unexpected conclusion! Find out what on this episode of Just Conversation!!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

The Names of Full Moons
Cultural Beliefs
Moon Gods
Native American Moon Folklore
Cheese Moon Theories
Egyptian Gods
Aztec Gods
The Moon Rabbit

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

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Cristina: Do y' all like weird stuff? How about mysterious stuff? Are you a skeptic or a believer? Wanna hear the legend and the facts and the lore and the science and the myth and the theories? Come on down to none of this is Real, the podcast for all things mysterious and weird with us, Doomsday Demeni and Sarah Sinkhole, lifelong friends who have spent years poking their fingers through the veil, all while making each other laugh till it hurts. Find us on all the major podcast platforms and social media. That's none of this is Real, the podcast. You don't have to believe any, but you do have to believe on yourself. Believe all over yourself. Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean? Welcome to Just Conversation, the show where we ground humanity most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm host Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

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Jack: Yes, and also this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner, so be sure to find somebody to pull nice and close and get ready to listen to some exciting woke teachings from the spirit realm.

Cristina: From the spirit realm? We're in the spirit realm now?

Jack: Sure.

Cristina: When did that happen?

Jack: In our excavation. We've been looking, researching, doing things, and now we're reporting from the spirit realm because I've decided.

Cristina: So what, did you send us here?

Jack: Yes, with my mind.

Cristina: With your mind.

Jack: With the power of imagination.

Cristina: Amazing. Amazing. So you remember that time a few months ago where we talked about the moon on the Halloween episode?

Jack: Right. What about it?

Cristina: That the full moons had names and I mentioned two of them. The harvest moon and the. What was the other one? The harvest moon and the hunter's moon. Well, I want to talk about the other names because they all have names.

Jack: Right? What are the names?

Cristina: This month, the moon will be called the worm moon. The full moon will be called the worm moon for this month because worms begin to appear.

Jack: Worms begin to appear?

Cristina: Yes, because they've been hibernating, I guess. Worms hibernate, I'm assuming. Yes. They hide from the cold the whole time. And now it's time for them to come out and do wormy stuff out here. I don't know why they would pop out. Why would they pop out?

Jack: I don't know. I don't think they get anything from over the dirt.

Cristina: They want to be eaten by birds. They're making a sacrifice to their bird gods.

Jack: Could be. Can you Imagine, probably.

Cristina: That's crazy. Like, what reason do they have? But, yes, they come out. And next month is the pink moon because there's flowers. Pink flowers on the ground. Not just. I mean, there's other flowers, but they pop up in May. That's why May is the flower moon.

Jack: But I'm definitely positive that other flowers come out in the pink moon.

Cristina: Yeah, but I bet pink flowers are more often. I don't know how they came up with that. Maybe the pink flowers probably disappear by the time the flower moon appears. There's no pink flowers in May.

Jack: No, there's definitely pink flowers throughout the whole year.

Cristina: Throughout the whole year? Yeah. There's pink flowers everywhere in winter.

Jack: Well, when there's flowers, there's pink flowers.

Cristina: Yes. And then in June is the strawberry moon because the strawberries are ready to be picked. And Ian. And in July is the buck moon, because the bucks are growing new antlers. And then on August is the sturgeon moon, which is a large fish found in the Great Lakes. And they're easily caught this time of year because I guess they're coming out of hibernation. I don't know what's happening in August. Or they're mating. Maybe that's their mating season. So they're all together and so they're easier to catch.

Jack: That's probably what happens. I'm sure that they're in mating seasons. Animals are easiest to catch because they are in larger numbers together trying to find one another.

Cristina: Yeah. Then the harvest moon, of course, is September or October. And then the corn moon is on September, which is the time to harvest corn. Delicious.

Jack: So corn doesn't grow year round.

Cristina: This is when they stop. Well, I guess this is the last time you can get corn before they don't grow anymore. And then the October is the hunter's moon because you're preparing to go hunting for the last time, also to prepare for winter. And then in November is beaver moon, because they're more active building their dams, their winter homes.

Jack: The dams are for winter?

Cristina: I think so. That's what I like to believe, that the dams are where they live for the winter. I don't know if they live in the dams, but angry beaver makes me believe that they live in those dams. They become more active in building their winter dams in preparation for the cold season. But why do they need their winter dams?

Jack: Oh, I guess it is to go vibernant.

Cristina: They're just obsessed with the dams. And then December is code moon, because winter is beginning. January is wolf moon, because the wolves are howling. Because they're hungry maybe. Or they're calling for each other. Like it's time to go out and hunt or to get together and what's the other thing? And mate.

Jack: Mate. Could be. It seems like mating would probably be reasonable around when animals are contacting one another.

Cristina: Yeah. And then February is the snow moon because a lot of snow. The heaviest snowfalls happen in the middle of winter, which is usually February. Around February Sounds legit. Yep, yep. And those are the incredible names of the HFU moons. And the moon is interesting because of how people all over the world see the moon as being something special.

Jack: Like religions. Like religions and Islam and old school Christians and Native Americans and pretty much every culture underdeveloped at some point. Indigenous people.

Cristina: Yeah. There's a bunch of themes and beliefs they have for the moon that they have in common, even if they're not all like the exact same story told over and over. There's like themes that match around what the moon represents. The easiest one is like the phases of the moon symbolizing birth and death. Because the changing of the phases of the moon is like a cycle. So it's just the moon represents many different types of cycles like birth and death and creation and destruction and things like that. It also symbolizes immortality and eternity because gods are immortal. And so the moon is. There's a few stories that have to do with the moon being a place where the elixir of life is at. For some reason, or at least in two stories there seems to be. So I don't know why the moon has it, but it has something to do with the phases of the moon. Like it's water, because they can control the water on Earth, they see the moon as water as well. So it's the elixir of life itself. Like it's the actual bottle that the gods are drinking. And people also see as comparing it to the stages of humans life. Like the new moon is the infant and the waning moon is the decline of life. Like it's dying, then it's coming back to life, like, you know, rebirth and that stuff. And that stuff appears in many of their stories.

Jack: Many whose stories?

Cristina: Many different stories that I will talk about. But first I want to talk about Khonsu, the Egyptian God of the moon. His name means traveler. And he's also thought of the as a pathfinder and defender. He guides and protects those who travel at night against wild animals and thieves and whatever the dangerous things that are out there.

Jack: Right. Why do they believe that?

Cristina: Why do they believe he protects them yes, because he guides them well, the moon itself is guiding them. They're using the moon's light to help them. So they believe whatever is in control of the moon, which I guess is that God. It's him that's helping them through the moon.

Jack: Got it.

Cristina: That's helping them.

Jack: You know symbolism.

Cristina: Yes, yes. That's why I think a lot of people see with the moon is like it's symbolizing something else. It's not the actual God, but it's like the God has some control over the moon as an object.

Jack: Yeah. Like it's a celestial object.

Cristina: Mm. This God has. Is sometimes a young man, but sometimes he's a hawk headed man. Because a lot of their gods have, you know, animal heads. But I wonder because he is also a lot of.

Jack: Whose gods?

Cristina: Egyptian gods.

Jack: Oh, okay.

Cristina: Have animal heads, but they also show him as a young man. So I don't know about other gods, but I wonder if they also have human forms and animal headed forms. Forms. I don't know how, because I know there's also.

Jack: There are animal headed forms.

Cristina: No, I mean, like, do they have both? Like this guy, he has both a human form and then the hawk head form. Do all the gods behave like that? Because there's also gods that have three different body animal parts. Do they also have a human part or a complete human form? But I'm not sure about that. I'm just curious about that. Okay. And he is also the God of time. He's also seen as a God of healing. He's healed the pharaoh, or they say he healed the pharaoh. He also, before they saw him as this kind God that heals and protects. He was a bloodthirsty God who helped the dying king catch and eat other gods.

Jack: Other gods?

Cristina: Yes, other gods.

Jack: A God who would catch gods to feed to a king?

Cristina: Yes, a dying king.

Jack: Why do they believe that?

Cristina: That was the story written super long ago. I don't know if they have the explanation for that, but that was like written on Egyptian coffin thing. That's where they get a lot of these ancient stories, man.

Jack: I wonder if we truly understand what these hieroglyphs say.

Cristina: Yeah, like that's. That's probably a problem. Like, are we reading them right?

Jack: Are we reading them at all? Are we making up what we're saying?

Cristina: Are we making? Exactly, yes. Are we making. Because it's just pictures.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: We're applying meaning to pictures. We find we have people who believe they're experts at piecing together other people's pictures. Yet to this day, we consider art up to interpretation. So how the f*** do we consider that not just to be up to interpretation? We just sell s*** like it's fact?

Cristina: Huh? So I guess this story could totally be untrue. I mean, if people nowadays see him as a good guy, maybe he was always a good guy. And this one guy who read this story was like, nah.

Jack: Or maybe he was always a bad guy.

Cristina: Where he was always a bad guy and people just changed their opinion on him over time.

Jack: Not necessarily their opinion, just whoever's reading the thing at any given moment. Because we don't know what it says.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or even if it says anything. Or even if it could just be drawings.

Cristina: It could just be drawings, huh? Maybe. And then there's Artemis, the Greek God. And also Diana, I think, is the other one that's. She's not Greek, she's the Roman God. But they're almost equal in a lot of ways. They pretty much symbolize the exact same things, even though they're from different cultures, they're from different locations. Greek, Roman. Yeah. So Artemis is a Greek God. She's the goddess of hunt, wilderness, wild animals, chastity, and the moon. She is the daughter of Zeus and Leto and the twin sister of Apollo. She's known to have the ability to give diseases to young women who disobey her instructions. But she also has the ability to heal young girls that were ill.

Jack: So the God of women.

Cristina: Yeah, the God of women also. Yeah. I don't know why she's the God of moon. I think somehow moon and women somehow relate. I just don't know how the two relate.

Jack: They're probably attaching menstrual cycles to it.

Cristina: Yes, that's probably it. That's a very important thing. In a lot of these religions and things. They connect the menstrual cycle with the moon. And according to a Greek legend, there was the queen of Thebes. Her name was Niobe, who I guess made fun of their mom. Artemis and her brother Niobe had more children than Leto, so she was making fun of her, I guess. And then the two kids decided, well, this isn't right, and then they murdered her children. I like that story. She made fun of their mom because their mom only had two kids, which is the twins. And Niobe, who made fun of Leto, had 14 children. So they murdered all 14 children. So now Leto has more children than Niobe, who was making fun of her.

Jack: This is a good thing or a bad thing? Where does it stand with people?

Cristina: I don't know. I just think it's an interesting story.

Jack: Like gods killing other gods.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, no. Naobi was a regular lady. She was the queen of thieves. She was a queen.

Jack: Niobe is not a God.

Cristina: No, she's a queen. She's human. And she made fun of a God. I guess that's the big thing, is, like, you don't make fun of gods or their children will get revenge.

Jack: Naomi's children got killed.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Got it.

Cristina: She had 14 children. They're all dead now. Or they're dead. Yep. So that's cool. I mean, Artemis has done a bunch of other violent things, but that was the most interesting one, I thought. Not very moon related. But there's Har. It's like, for that one at least for her, I couldn't really find anything about the moon relating to her. But a lot of other gods definitely have stories relating why they are the representation of the moon, or whatever you want to call it, the God of the moon. There's Mani, the Norse personification of the moon. He is the God of the moon and he's the brother of the goddess of the sun, who. Her name is Sol. Both Sol and Mani are being chased endlessly by a pair of wolves. I think you know the story. They're destined to be caught and devoured by the wolves at Ragnarok. Because the wolves, I think, are the children of Loki.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: If I'm getting that. That's right. Okay. Yes. I thought that was interesting. Yep. They're just constantly. They're moving around in the sky, running from the wolves.

Jack: Okay, that makes sense. That's why they're moving in the sky at all.

Cristina: Yeah. And the lunar eclipse is thought of when one of the wolves was very close to Mani, the moon God, like he was about to eat him.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: But of course he doesn't. So that's why he comes back. But that's a really interesting way to explain that. So he's not the moon. But it's interesting because he's not the only one who does this. But he's steering a chariot in the sky, which I guess is part of the moon. I'm not sure. But he's not the only moon God that's steering a chariot. And I forgot where that other guy was from. I think he is the Hindu God, but I might be wrong. But I think he is also steering a chariot, which I don't know where they got these two ideas. They're very far from each other, aren't they? Hindu? And I don't know.

Jack: Where did Norse mythology happen?

Cristina: Where did it happen in Norse. That's not a location. No, in Scotland. And the phases of the moon were said to represent his endless running from the wolf, you know, trying to avoid him. And that's why the moon changes, because it's like. I don't. He's guiding the moon. The moon is with him and is changing its side depending on how he's moving. Right? That sounds right.

Jack: Got it. So they're running together.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. So there's many moon folklore around the world. Many. And we're going to start in Native American folklore. Native Americans see the sun and the moon as a leader and his wife and the stars are their children. The sun loves to catch and eat his children, which are the stars, and they flee from the sky. When, you know the morning is coming. The stars are disappearing because they're running from the sun. And then at night, the moon comes, and he's. It's playing with the. Or I guess she's playing with the stars, the children, while the sun is asleep. But once a month, she turns her face because she's mourning for the children that were caught from the sun. And when she's mourning is when it's a new moon. The new moon would be her turning her back, I guess, from the world because she's crying.

Jack: No, that's crazy. So they think the sun is a murderer.

Cristina: A lot of these stories, the son is a murderer, and one of them, the son is a rapist to his.

Jack: Sister, which is the moon.

Cristina: Yes. In Nigeria, there are people that believe the sun and the moon are husband and wife. Long ago, they lived on earth, and then their best friend, the flood, came over to visit their house.

Jack: And then the flood?

Cristina: Yes, the flood. A flood. I don't know why they were friends with the flood, but it came over their house, and they couldn't stay in their house because they would drown. So they ended up having to go into the sky, and now they live there.

Jack: So the flood isn't like their enemy?

Cristina: I would think it would be, but they considered it their best friend. I guess they don't think of him as their best friend anymore.

Jack: And what Nigerian culture believes this?

Cristina: The epic Ebiboio people of Nigeria, is.

Jack: That like a tribe? Is it a religion?

Cristina: A tribe? A tribe of people in Nigeria believe this. A lot of these are from tribes. Another one in Kenya, the Luiya. The Luiya people believe the sun and moon are brothers. The moon was older, bigger, and brighter, and the sun got jealous and picked a fight with him. Then during the fight, the moon fell into Mud. And that's why it's dimmer now. And I guess that also explains the dark of it. You know, the spots that I have that people see things on the moon sometimes. The craters. Yeah, yeah. So that's explaining why the moon isn't as bright as the sun.

Jack: Moon is just dirty.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, and also God told them to stop fighting and kept them apart by ordering the sun to only be around here during the day and the moon at night.

Jack: Which doesn't happen.

Cristina: Which doesn't happen. Well, they try, I guess. I don't.

Jack: The moon and sun are regularly together.

Cristina: Well, they're trying to fight each other again, but no one. I wonder if that eclipse for them then when they're about to fight each other again.

Jack: Well, no, because there's many, many times that the moon is out during the.

Cristina: Daylight, but that's when it's going back home or going back is leaving while the sun is coming.

Jack: That doesn't work that way.

Cristina: No. Well, that's how they're seeing it happening.

Jack: Right, but how do they interpret when it's broad the middle daylight.

Cristina: Oh, and they see the shadow of the moon.

Jack: No, they literally see the moon in the middle of daylight as well.

Cristina: I don't know. Maybe they don't see it as the moon.

Jack: They think that's a different rock.

Cristina: Yes, it's a different rock. And then in. In the Indonesia island of Hava, there are a tribe there that think there's a moon goddess who came to Earth to bathe in a lake. And while she was bathing, a man stole her swan feathers because she does the thing that werewolves do and she's just wearing a swan. I guess she was a swan when she landed. She took it off, she became human. The guy stole the swan feathers so she couldn't leave back to the sky. So she married the man.

Jack: So no more moon.

Cristina: Well, no, that's not the end of the story. And then she did end up finding her swan feathers and now she can return to the sky. But she has children here. So she'll go back to the sky at night and then come spend the daytime hours on Earth with her husband and their daughter.

Jack: Interesting. And does anybody believe they knew who this woman was?

Cristina: They probably know her right now. Like she probably doesn't die. Unless there's a story explaining why she's not there. No, no more. Maybe they suspect someone to be her.

Jack: Yeah, like basically the difference between God and like Jesus, except it's continuous. So like God is up there, but randomly he's not. So sometimes people Just. Well, I don't feel the spirit of God. Oh, he must be on earth today.

Cristina: Really? That's the thing.

Jack: No, I'm using an example.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. Well, that would be really interesting if there was stories like that though. But I thought it was interesting that she had a swan outfit. Like, I wonder how many different creatures they saw as just people in disguise.

Jack: Or I guess not in disguise, but rather they have like a magic get up.

Cristina: Yeah. Or are they magical creatures that have human skin under their fur or something? I don't. I don't really understand how it works because she. She's a moon, but she dresses into a swan and then she looks like a human. So when she's back, like what turns her from one to the other?

Jack: Taking it off.

Cristina: She takes off her human skin and turns into the moon?

Jack: No, putting. I guess she's just human with powers. Putting on the swan outfit makes her the moon.

Cristina: maybe. I don't know. It's weird, but. Yes, but that's interesting that a bunch of stories used to be like that. I don't think there's anything like that anymore. Like the werewolves came from stories like that of men with for belts or whatever. And then they turned into werewolves.

Jack: Yeah, I remember that.

Cristina: Yeah. So. But. And now they're just werewolves. They don't need anything. They just. Full moon. Hey, full moon. But alright. In Siberia, the story of why the moon is scarred, they believe that it's fang marks left from this thing called. I think that's how you say it. And he's a monster with huge black wings. He's the personification of the darkness of the sky. And he feeds on the moon every night. He's just slowly devouring it for the whole month. But the problem is that he can't actually eat the moon. Like eating the moon upsets his stomach. So by the end he ends up vomiting the moon. And then piece by piece the moon comes back because he vomited out. And that explains also why the moon.

Jack: Has phases and then he eats it again. So he's eating his vomit?

Cristina: Essentially, yes.

Jack: It's a sort of God creature that's consistently eating his vomit for all of eternity.

Cristina: Because it's delicious, it's addicting. It's the most addicting vomit he's ever had.

Jack: It's the only vomit he's ever had. Yeah, it's been happening for eternity.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's the perpetual cycle of vomiting.

Cristina: Yeah, that's disgusting. But who knows? Maybe it's delicious, I don't know. But he keeps doing it so it must be delicious, right? And then in. In Serbia, they probably. What's the oldest explanation for why we say the moon is made of cheese? Which is there was a wolf chasing a fox. The fox convinced the wolf that there was a block of cheese in the bottom of a pond. And the wolf didn't realize that it was just the reflection of the moon. So he went to drink the pond and eventually he blew up.

Jack: But he explains, he blew up because there were explosives in the pond.

Cristina: He was just so filled with water. He just kept drinking. He just never stopped because he needed that cheese. I don't know why he thought that cheese would be better than that fox, though. Like fox or cheese for wolf.

Jack: Maybe wolves love cheese.

Cristina: Maybe wolves loves cheese.

Jack: Maybe that's their s***.

Cristina: He exploded for that. He drank all that water for some cheese. What?

Jack: Maybe cheese is rare for fox, for wolves. Maybe cheese is rare for wolves.

Cristina: Don't they have good smells? Can he smell that? There's no cheese.

Jack: Not under the water.

Cristina: Mmm. Well, yes, he blew up. And it's amazing. And that's probably one of the oldest stories of why the moon is made out of cheese. Although I think people also see the moon as cheese somehow. Like they see it as different things. They see different things on the moon, I guess, like the craters look like cheese hose. But also a lot of people say the man on the moon, they see a face of a man on the.

Jack: Moon, this super epic. One time when the lunar rover landed and it sent back that weird message and they were like, what? And then they aimed the telescope that zoomed in like crazy. And they found a castle made of cheese. And the rover was like, I do not compute. And they were like, sir, Captain of NASA, there's a cheese castle up there. And we discovered the cheese people that day.

Cristina: I thought that we made that cheese castle. No, that had nothing to do with us.

Jack: That had nothing to do with us.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: That cheese castle.

Cristina: We just have cheese people living on the moon.

Jack: Cheese people living on the moon? Well, they're not people made of cheese, but we call them cheese people because they're people who make things of cheese.

Cristina: That's disgusting.

Jack: They go out of their way to breed farm cows.

Cristina: So there's cows on the moon?

Jack: Yes, on the dark side of the moon.

Cristina: That's why they keep the cows.

Jack: That's where they keep the cows. See, what people don't understand is that the moon isn't real.

Cristina: What? But then how about everything we just said?

Jack: Well, that's not the moon. The moon Wasn't like a natural creation. The moon was put there by them. By them. It's a spaceship.

Cristina: It's a spaceship. And they. That's why they kidnap our cows?

Jack: Yes. The cows get taken to the moon to make infrastructure with their milk.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Facts. You could go to the library of the Freemasons and find this.

Cristina: Nah. If they're stealing our cows, it's cuz they love cheese. They love eating cheese. There's no way that they need cheese to build things with.

Jack: They eat their buildings.

Cristina: No, that's crazy. That's crazy. How did they get this far if they're living in cheesy buildings?

Jack: They also. They're aliens. They figured out the formula to preserve cheese forever.

Cristina: They love cheese that much. They're just obsessed with cheese. That's amazing.

Jack: To be fair, if we travel far enough in an infinite universe, eventually, like, every possibility should happen. So there should be a region of space where there's a planet of people who build things of cheese. That should be a real thing, like just based on science.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Mathematically speaking, the numbers tell us there should be somewhere in the universe where there are cheese structures. So that wolf wasn't far off?

Cristina: That wolf wasn't far off, I guess. I wish. Where are these aliens? Where are they? Where's the whale alien that's just swimming through space? If you can describe it that way, that'd be awesome. Yes. Yes, it would.

Jack: Maybe it's out there and we just. We suck at looking at space. We pretend we're awesome, but, like, maybe it's floating out there. We don't even see it.

Cristina: I know. It's so crazy. There could be mad stuff.

Jack: There's probably a bunch of s*** living inside the meteor belt.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: Although the meteor bell is also not as close together as movies would pretend they are.

Cristina: Yeah, but they could be living in there. I mean, how do we examine that? Do we even look at that?

Jack: We can't really see anything in there.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So there could be things in there.

Jack: What, they think there's a planet in there.

Cristina: They think they don't even know.

Jack: Nope. There's no way to tell.

Cristina: Oh, okay. It's one of those things that, like, there's gravity doing something weird there.

Jack: Yeah. And then we were like, well, what could explain it? Boom. Planet.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So. Man, we suck. Especially looking at things around us. Like, we do a better job looking at other star systems.

Jack: We do a really s***** job of looking at other star systems. We're worse than that.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yes. We just happen to have picked Something we could already aim at. But how much s*** are we not aiming at? The further out, the less we could see.

Cristina: Oh man. So is there a specific spot before, like that is a perfect space that we could see of, or is that not a thing. Everything's just crap.

Jack: Yeah, we just have certain spots that we favor. Okay, but we miss 99.99% of everything in space. Of course, even in our observable distance, we see almost none of it.

Cristina: Then why do we cry about there not being any aliens? We can hardly see anything.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Because we figured.

Jack: We figured they would come to us.

Cristina: I can't. Ah. Like we just got blind and we're looking around the room and they're like, why isn't there anyone here? And there's probably someone right there trying to help us guide. Like trying to walk us to the right direction. And we're not paying attention to them.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: In Greenland, the Inuits believe that their moon God raped his sister, the sun goddess, and that every night he chases her to possess her again. And he also, the whole time he's starving as he runs, getting smaller and smaller every night until he disappears. And then he slowly comes back to his full self in like, I think they say, like three days. That whole time he's taking a break to eat and he's full again. Which is another explanation of the moon phases.

Jack: Interesting. But it takes way more than three days.

Cristina: Oh, it's not. Okay, how many days does it take?

Jack: From 15 in either direction.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Jack: On average it takes about 15 days for a moon to fully dissipate and another 15 to come back. That's why there's only one full moon a month.

Cristina: Okay, well then he takes a 15 day break to eat and then he chases his sister, I guess to rape her again. What a beautiful story. I wonder where they get that story from. How random. It could be anything. Chasing anyone. Chasing anyone for any reason.

Jack: Does it take 15 days?

Cristina: So he eats for 15 days, but he takes a three day break to eat to be full, and then he continues on running after her. That makes sense because you see the full moon three for about three days.

Jack: Before it's visibly shrinking.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. So. And during that time is when he's feeding to chase her again. Yay. And then in Africa, there's several indigenous peoples around the continent that call the moon God MAU MAU. And Mawu's companion is the sun goddess, Lisa. And. Oh, and when they meet and make love, they make an eclipse. And also they created the World. Their son Gu is the smith God. They used him to shape the universe. And also there's a serpent, his name is Da, who helped them during the creation, which I thought was interesting because you mentioned there's serpents everywhere in different stories.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: So here's the serpent. And so Muwu was the goddess of night, joy and motherhood. And Lisa was the God of day, heat and strength. And in Aztec, there was a moon goddess. Her name is very complicated, but it means the Golden Bells. She was the daughter of the earth goddess and the sister of the sun God. And golden bells encouraged her 400 sisters and brothers to kill their mother. I don't know why, but she wanted her mom dead. But when she was planning, when she was about to do that, her mom gave birth to her brother, the sun God. When he was born, he was an adult already and he saved her life. And then he cut off his sister's head and threw it into the sky and it formed into the moon. How cool is that?

Jack: So he turned out to be the killer.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And also, are the brother and sisters the stars?

Cristina: Maybe. I feel like it. 400 sisters and brothers. I don't know what they were, but they must be. Right. But what's the mom? Because usually the mom is. Everyone is something in the story. And in this one, except the sister.

Jack: Was not the moon yet.

Cristina: She was just the moon goddess. Or maybe she became the moon goddess after this. Whatever. Now she's the moon. That's the important thing. She is the moon for trying to kill her mommy. And in Hindu, Soma represents the God of the moon. And he rides through the sky in a chariot drawn by white horses, which is similar to the Egyptian God Mari from the Norse mythology also had a chariot. So I thought that was interesting that two different places had the moon on chariot, or the moon God on chariot. Soma was also named the elixir of immortality. That was the name of it. And only the gods can drink it. And it was stored in the moon in. Yes.

Jack: The moon is just an alcohol container.

Cristina: Yes. And when the gods drink the moon, that's when the moon wanes because the gods are drinking away some of its properties. Because it's the actual liquid in the moon that's being poured out into the gods. In New Zealand, there are people called the Mari people who see a girl in a bucket on the moon. And their explanation for that is that there was a lady who was carrying a bucket of water to her children in a cloudy night. And in a moment the clouds covered the moon and she tripped and fell. So then she cursed at the moon for her falling. And then the moon heard that and got angry. So he cursed it, cursed the Mari people. And then it grabbed the girl. The grabbed the lady and the bucket and threw her to the moon. Or I guess he kidnapped her.

Jack: The moon kidnapped the lady?

Cristina: Yes. So that's why they see the lady with the bucket on the moon. Because she was still holding the bucket when he took her.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Yes. It's strange the different things people see on the moon.

Jack: Yes, it's really weird.

Cristina: Also, when the girl's upset, she. When she drops her bucket on the moon, it rains. That explains, because they were explaining the rain and stuff on the Earth. It comes from the moon, I guess, to them.

Jack: And it's what happens when it rains on a moonless day.

Cristina: What happens when it rains on a moonless day? They're like, the moon is out there no matter what. We're scientists like that. We know it's there.

Jack: It's just hiding.

Cristina: It's just hiding. The Japanese people believe that the moon is a fortune telling God. So the priests that want to fortune tell would study the moon's reflection on Amera because they believed if they looked into the moon that it would drive them crazy. So it's like a superstition about the moon.

Jack: So they would just not look at the moon.

Cristina: Yeah, but just the reflection on the mirror because they thought it would drive them crazy.

Jack: Because meanwhile looking at the sun. A. Okay.

Cristina: Yes, it's perfectly fine. But it's interesting because a lot of people think the moon drives people crazy. So it's a different story, a different version of.

Jack: That's how werewolves happen.

Cristina: Just like werewolves, it's just people going mad. And Shinto, the moon God Tsukiyumi, was born out of the right eye of a ancient being. And he used to live in the heavens with his sister, the sun God, Amaterasu. But she asked him to represent her to the goddess of food, whose name is Yukimashi. To celebrate, the goddess of food offered him a meal, and she created the meal from her mouth and nose. He thought that was disgusting, so he killed her. But then when his sister learned about what he did, she was so angry that she didn't want to see him anymore. And since then, the brother and sister live apart, and they take turns being in the sky.

Jack: So broken up family.

Cristina: Yeah. Yep. Such a strange. Like he was born out of an eyeball and he was disgusted by this lady who made food out of her mouth and nose. But I'm Sure. Her nose and mouth would grow back. Like, she's the God of food. I'm sure the food is fine, right? I don't know, but. Or maybe it's not. I don't know. I don't know anything about gods. Okay.

Jack: Perfection. The food should be amazing.

Cristina: It should be like, she's the God of food. This is her thing. She's known for this. Why would you be disgusted? Like, why not at least give it a try? I would think you could trust it, but I don't know. Then there's the Mayan people. They have a old goddess. I mean, their moon goddess is an old lady. Her name is Ixchel. I think it means the lady rainbow. She was depicted as an old lady wearing a skirt with cross bones. And she had a serpent in her hand. Look at that, a serpent showing up. Anyway, she had the assistant sky serpent, whom they believe carried the waters of heavens in its belly, because the moon and water, the serpent is carrying the water. Okay. And she also carries a jug filled with water as well, which she uses to send floods and powerful rainstorms to the earth. So, yeah, they're all related, you see, in some little ways, but. Okay.

Jack: And then, I mean, most stories share an origin to begin with. There's probably like, you could trace all of this back to a single point that then kept branching off into many different stories.

Cristina: You think there was one story? One story.

Jack: Not literally one story, but like many of these stories have a similar origin. So each area might have a bunch of stories that came from one point, from one observation. Then the story got told and altered tiny bits every time it was told until different cultures around the same region had different explanations for the same thing.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, I think so. And in China in the ancient times, there were. They believed that there was 12 different moons for the different 12 different months of the year and 10 suns that were the 10 days in the Chinese week. The mother of the 12 moons was the same as the mother of the 10 sons. And at the beginning of each month, the mother washed her children in the lake in the. At the extreme western side of the world. Then each moon, one after the other, would travel to in a chariot. In a chariot for a month's journey to reach the opposite side of the world. And that's where the suns will begin their journey. And I thought that was interesting. Chariots and all interesting.

Jack: It looks like they're all Asian cultures that believe that, though, because the other one was Hindu, right?

Cristina: Yeah, it was Hindu. And what was the third? The first one was Norse. Whatever that is.

Jack: Oh, crap. Norse. Thus far.

Cristina: Yeah. And then there's this one thing that a lot of places have is the moon rabbit, which is people see a rabbit on the moon, and there's a bunch of explanations for this moon rabbit. In China, it's very popular. So the folklore began in China and then spread to the other Asian cultures. Story goes that the rabbit is seen as the companion of the moon goddess Shang O. And it's on the moon pounding the elixir of life for her. Hey, similar to some other story, right? Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: The elixir of life, which seems to.

Jack: Be on the moon.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: In a castle made of cheese.

Cristina: A castle made of cheese? Yes. So this woman once used to be immortal, but was turned immortal for bad behavior. And now she's just trying to get back into the good side of the other gods by making this elixir and living forever. But, like, the first time, she drank the too much of it, and she ended up floating onto the moon, and then she made that her home. So now she lives there with a rabbit who's trying to come up with the perfect formula for this elixir to keep her alive forever.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Which. It seems like it's still working. I mean, I guess it's like adrenochrome, where you got to drink it forever. Consistently? Yes, consistently. Or you will die.

Jack: It could be like the limitless pill where you take it and the effects are slowly going to wear off and make you go crazy.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: And so they're looking for the perfect one where you take it once and you're just good forever.

Cristina: Yes. Man. We got to get that. I mean, we're on the moon. No, we're not. What did you say we were? Dream. No, I don't remember.

Jack: The spirit realm.

Cristina: The spirit realm. What are we doing here? Whatever. In the Japanese and Korean versions, the rabbit is pounding either ingredients for mashi or for some kind of rice cake.

Jack: Pounding. What do we mean? It's f******, like, the stuff. It's just f****** ingredients. It takes a pounding.

Cristina: Like jumping on it, like with its pouncing. Pounding. The word is pounding, but. Or hitting. Maybe they see it hitting something like that. I don't know.

Jack: It's very strange.

Cristina: Pound. Excuse the word pound, but I think they mean hit or jump. It's hitting something, and that's what they believe it is.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: It's hitting a ball, which I guess, you know, there's a ball in the moon. One of the. You know, there's so many blobs on the moon. They see one as a rabbit, one as whatever they think it is, whether it's the medicine or rice ball or. What was the first one? The elixir.

Jack: Yeah. So the rabbits up their f****** balls.

Cristina: Yes. And also in China they instead of using the word the moon, they call it either the jade hair or the gold hair. These are pretty cool names. Pretty cool. Well, the rabbit is not just seen it from the Asian folklores, but also in indigenous American folklore there's a bunch of stories and they're also similar about like the rabbit is sacrificing its life usually and it ends up on the moon somehow. And also further in North America to Canada, they also have a rabbit story. Who with a rabbit that wished to ride the moon. And that's how the rabbit ended up on the moon. So there's a bunch of places.

Jack: How'd it get to the moon to ride the moon?

Cristina: That bird, the crane flew it there. That's how it got its super long legs.

Jack: Got it.

Cristina: Yep, yep.

Jack: Yeah, that makes sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So flying to the moon and all.

Cristina: So China, I mean, the Asian cultures aren't the only ones that see the rabbit. A bunch of other places see the rabbit.

Jack: There's a lot of consistency. Chances are it did begin these very similar stories began as one and then sort of evolved depending on the culture.

Cristina: Okay, so that's it for now. I think that's enough moon stuff. And I know there's a lot, but I tried my best to give as much as I can.

Jack: Yes, very fascinating. It's crazy how many different cultures have. But I guess all cultures had to explain the universe one way or another. And before science was like a sure thing because there were science minded people, the science wasn't really a thing. Thing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And I think before science became a thing, people just had explanations. They were always mystical.

Cristina: They're always mystical. Yeah. And I think the moon is just really interesting because of its whole face thing. It makes it much more interesting than anything else up in the sky that just looks static. Yeah, everything looks static, even the shiny or whatever. Like. Yeah, it's just really big. But the moon is got that interesting.

Jack: Phase thing and way more visible.

Cristina: Mmm. Mm.

Jack: The moon is clearer than the sun because the sun is too bright and the stars are some too dim and too small. Whether dim or not.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And there both of these instances, the sun and the stars are very static. While the moon has phases, it moves around the sky in visible ways and.

Cristina: We can see a bunch of crap on it that's not even there.

Jack: Even with like wack telescopes, you can see pretty well.

Cristina: That's pretty awesome. But anyway, it's time to close the show. It's time to close the bag. Was it that they say in Comedy.

Jack: Central, time to close? No, it's a plug bag.

Cristina: It's a plug bag. It's time to close the plug bag. Oh, no. It's time to open the plug bag. No, I did the opposite that they do. Okay. It's time to open the plug bag. No. Okay. Anyway, you can find more things like this, I think. Have we done anything like this? Well, we've gone all over the place. So you can find other things.

Jack: Yeah. I'm pretty sure we've mentioned the moon before. Probably not in great detail, but it's come up before for different reasons. And because of aliens and space travel and werewolves. And werewolves and probably demons and, you know, we handle things in outer space because it's part of our job.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: What we do is deal with space creatures and interdimensional beings and things of that nature.

Cristina: Yeah. That's all we do.

Jack: And we got Mars and some stuff on the moon and apparently the moon castle with cheese Castle. To cheese Castle where there's aliens. Anyways, you can find all that stuff on the official website, greythoughts.info or Apple Podcasts, Spotify and anywhere else you get your podcast.

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Jack: And remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Cristina: Let someone who might like the show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Cause word of mouth is extremely powerful and very important.

Cristina: And this has been the JustConversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. That's an interesting question. I've never considered creator. I always just considered when thinking of atheists, I only considered God. Like what would somebody knowing all knowing creature be? And how would they react to what we consider reality as humans? And the only thing that makes sense is Atheos.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If there is something that made us, whether or not they made everything they are or not that made us is there's. If there's something that's everywhere all the time and knows everything, it can't give a s***. And that's how atheos came to be. Because good and bad doesn't make a concept of something that is all of the above.

Cristina: Yeah. So then he is. He did create everything.

Jack: I don't know if he did create everything. I know he knows everything.

Cristina: So he just. He popped up the same time as we popped up, though. Because he was there to measure everything.

Jack: I'm very Judaistic. Judaistic. I'm very much of a Jew when it comes to the belief that what happened before, we don't know what happened after. What happens after, we don't know. That's irrelevant. What's happening now? I know he's.

Cristina: That he's.

Jack: He's watching like Santa Claus or some s***. And he's not judging your good or bad, but whether for whatever reason you're not being you and he's not judging. There's just rules that are set in place universally that when you don't please you, you're miserable.

Cristina: It's kind of like you're judging yourself.

Jack: Yes. Giant mirrors being held up.

Cristina: Yeah. That's interesting.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Because you are God.

Jack: So it's very interesting. You can picture Atheos essentially being a scale. That's where the chains came in. It was just balance. You bring it down anytime you do something counter to you.

Cristina: He's a scale.

Jack: He's a scale. Are you maintaining the balance of who you are?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or are you. Because you can't fully indulge in anything either. Because then it becomes meaningless. Anything you do fully in one direction just becomes a normal. You don't want that. You need the balance. But who are you as a balanced person?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because everybody's balanced differently.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And that's the whole point. If you're not keeping your balance. So Atheos is the scale by which you balance yourself.

Cristina: So he looks like a scale ball. Like we could picture him as a scale. Like picture the spaghetti monster as a spaghetti.

Jack: Well, I wouldn't picture this. I find the irony of that religion funny, but I don't really. I rather use the word Pastafarianism because the flying spaghetti monster is. Although funny, the reasoning behind the belief system is pretty solid.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's actually really rational, minus the whole jokes on God part. Same with Atheos. Giving him a visual is weird thing. He's a concept, not a being of any sort.

Cristina: Well, people like putting cons.

Jack: I know. I rather use a symbol to represent.

Cristina: Him, which is the scale.

Jack: The scale would be the symbol.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Not who he is, not who is.

Cristina: But if you like to picture him, it would probably be a person. Because it's easiest to imagine.

Jack: It's easiest. Yes. It's easiest to imagine the cliche old guy in the sky looking.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Atheist is nothing but a concept, a thought, an idea.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: A philosophy. There you go. It's a philosophy. A philosophic way of thinking of a God the same way that the flying spaghetti monster is a philosophic way of thinking of a God. Shaggy. Well, actually, all things considered. Because if you think of the idea of kek, what makes sense about Kek is that we all have a crazy psychotic kind of side. Yeah, we suppress it for social norms or whatever. And some of us feel comfortable doing that, others don't. I like chaos. I enjoy chaos. I normality bores the s*** out of me and I die a little on the inside if I have to be normal.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I'm not a fan of that. But chaos is amazing. And testing people and pushing them to their limits and seeing where they stand on something. I love that. The concept that if that brings you pleasure, you should do it. I like that.

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November 14, 2020

Rambling 109: Werewolf Science

November 14, 2020/ GreyThoughts.Info

The Just conversation Podcast, Werewolf, Werewolves #monsters, creatures, halloween, folklore, science, science fiction, stories, urban legend, terror, horror, fear, nature, 1800s, demons, possession, full moon

What is the science behind the stories of werewolves? What are the possible events that lead to their stories being shared over generations? Answers and theories to that on this episode.

Story:
After an episode where Calm Cristy elaborated on the intricate folklore and stories of Werewolves, Genocidal Jack decides to do an even deeper dive to see if the stories hold and scientific validity. With hopes of coming to a conclusion and maybe one day capturing their own pet werewolf, the duo unpack the origin of their stories. But what they discover about werewolves, native tribes and synthetic drugs throws their plans for a loop in ways they could not have predicted. All that and more on this episode of Just Conversation.

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Topics Discussed

Werewolf Origin Story
Yellow Eyes
Monster in the Woods
Hauling Wolves
Tribal Native Outfits
Synthetic Drugs
Bath Salts
Rabies
Full Moon

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Jack: Where do werewolves come from? Is there an example in nature of what a werewolf could be? Or maybe a werewolf is just a collection of ideas, possibilities, stories passed through generation. So what is a werewolf? The answer to that and more coming up on this episode of Just Conversation.

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Cristina: And also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So make sure to get some body pulled up nice and close and prepare to be en. Wokened. It's like the combination of enlightened and woke.

Cristina: Whoa. The next level.

Jack: The next level. It's because the woke movement is of dumbasses and the enlightened movement is of, like, self help and like, what is it called? The. The essential oils and crystals, people. And it's like, how are you supposed to communicate if you ban everything?

Cristina: I don't know. What's. Your facial expressions?

Jack: I don't even know, man. Because you're not allowed to say everything because everybody's emotions. The end. Just everybody's emotions. And it's like, all right, so if everybody's censoring themselves for everybody's emotions, everybody's being f. But you get offended by fake people because they're not being real, which is where all those. You know, if somebody's lying to you, you're being fake, then, you know, remove them from your life. But you put them there because they can't say anything. You don't let them say. So they have to be fake in the first place in order to communicate. But then you don't like them being fake because it's fake. And so you remove them from your life. Before long, you force everybody to censor themselves, but you don't like anybody because they're all being this fake person. And then you find yourself alone and kill yourself.

Cristina: And you're also depressed because you're always having to be fake.

Jack: Yes, you also. You're a hypocrite. You land as a hypocrite at the.

Cristina: End of it because, yeah, you're doing the same. You have to do the same thing for everyone else. If you expect everyone else to do the same that to you. And Yep.

Jack: Although I don't believe that. No, I don't believe any of them. Like practice what they preach.

Cristina: Well, next we'll have to censor emotions. That's the next thing.

Jack: I think the only thing. We should be censoring our emotions. There should be no f*** speech. There should be because we need to communicate. There should be emotion police because you shouldn't. The problem is we're living in a backwards society where people rely on others for how they feel. Like why can words affect you that way? What the f***? Just suck it up. Your emotions are your emotions, not anybody else's. Actions that affect people, that's a problem.

Cristina: And they, they need help. Everyone needs help.

Jack: Everybody needs help. That's crazy.

Cristina: I want to be emotion police. What do I have to do?

Jack: I don't know. There's. I mean any kind of police, I guess you just sign up, they give you a gun and a badge like a day later and they're like, go out there and kill as many as you can.

Cristina: Yeah. Anyone who shows emotion, I just shoot them.

Jack: Yeah. They're like, if they show emotion, they're getting hostile. And then you put them down.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's how you do it. They show emotion. The suspect is being hostile. Then you throw yourself on the floor. Officer down, I need backup. Then you pull out your gun, he's attacking and then you just shoot him a couple of times. And he was just Karen ing it out.

Cristina: Yeah. And I'm just being a soccer player.

Jack: A soccer player?

Cristina: Yeah. Just like, oh no, my ankle. Oh yeah.

Jack: Like when a soccer player barely gets touched. Like that guy who got tapped in the shoulder and then threw himself on the floor and pretended to like be super hurt.

Cristina: Yeah, those soccer moves, those are my favorite part of soccer. There's nothing better. It's so. That's even more so papyri than like any other sport. There's nothing, no drama like soccer drama.

Jack: Like it. No. They will pretend everything is the end of the world. Yes, it's so funny. But keeping on the theme of rage and anger and going hostile and cops shooting people for no reason because that's what cops do. And if you're going to be emotion police, you better be ready to shoot anybody emotional. Which means all the Karens are going to die.

Cristina: Sorry, Karen's.

Jack: They gotta. They're ruining the world anyways. As people get wokened, we can educate them on anger. Particularly like rage filled anger. No. All jokes aside, previously previously on this Conversation. You were telling us some wolf related folklore. Werewolves. Yes. And although we came to some interesting conclusions. That episode turned out unique. We landed. We stumbled on some things that I didn't think would connect, but they did.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That was interesting. But that gave me the thought that, like, how much do we really, like, sure, we know folklore, but, like, can we make a real werewolf? Is that like, a thing? Could it. Could it be possible that there was always a real werewolf? Like, everything?

Cristina: But when you're saying make, are you talking about, like, scientists, like, Scooby Doo lab?

Jack: No, I'm saying, like, is it based on something true?

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I'm saying, like, in every circumstance, every bit of folklore is based. It's like a rumor or a stereotype. Like some part of what's happening is true somehow.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So where did a werewolf come from? There must be something in there that's truth. Something that isn't a lie.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even when we think of some of the conclusions from that very episode, those have to be based on some manner, shape, or form of something that was real to begin with.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And so I started to sort of look into it, trying to find out. And obviously it took me to situations from the past and situations from the present. Mixture of things sprinkled together create a pretty interesting painting of what a werewolf could have rooted from. There is a multitude of things. And one of the things I didn't know about werewolves is that they have yellow eyes.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah. A lot of folklore about werewolves referenced yellow eyed beasts. Yeah. That they had almost like cat like, eye slit, but that their surrounding eye is very yellow. Like you could see bright yellow eyes.

Cristina: They look like cat eyes.

Jack: The pupil.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But the rest of the eye, the cornea, I guess, would be. Looks very, very yellow. And I couldn't zero in on anything in reality that for some reason would cause that. Except one very specific thing, which is actually pretty common. If you don't take care of yourself. And that thing is when you have an inflamed liver, when you have liver damage and it can't process things properly.

Cristina: It turns your eyes yellow.

Jack: Your eyes turn yellow.

Cristina: Oh, like the white part turns yellow or.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay. That's what.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And you looked at pictures of it?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Whoa. Does it look creepy looking?

Jack: It looks pretty normal.

Cristina: Oh, so you wouldn't, in the dead of night, see someone with those yellow eyes?

Jack: They wouldn't have, like, glowing eyes. Like, that's an exaggeration. I don't know why. They'd have, like, fluorescent eyes or some s***.

Cristina: Yeah. But just those eyes wouldn't creep you out.

Jack: Yes. And if you saw those Eyes in a figure that was more or less in shadow. You would more than anything, like in any other case, see the eyes, most likely.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And when it comes to eyes darkness, there's the stereotype of the black person in the dark. One of the few things you can see from them is their teeth and their eyes, because those are white. In the case that a dark skinned person is hanging out in the woods, teeth and eyes are what you'd see if you see teeth and yellow eyes, but they're hard to make out, you have a monster. Especially considering that most of these things go back to racist old white people from old times. So they had slaves. Slaves would escape, they would run away. And it's not an empty everything around you. There's other people. So you're running through the woods and you stumble into somebody's yard or some s***, they look your way, they can see teeth and yellow eyes, and they're scared there's a creature running through the woods. Especially if they've never seen a black person before. You're already something that they don't understand. So you're some sort of. And this is not doing anything extreme. You're malnourished, you have very little water, you have liver damage for some reason. You have yellow eyes. As a result, you're running through the woods and all they can see are your teeth and your yellow eyes. You're just escaping slave masters.

Cristina: You're a werewolf.

Jack: You're werewolf. You're some feral creature to them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we're just talking. You don't even have to be black. You could have just been Hispanic or some s***. You could have been Native American. And you're just dark skin enough that you disappear into particular dark light or you're hard to make out.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: If we think of Native Americans and their tribal where these tribes in the times of white people first arriving here, they still had their tribal wear in large numbers. If you come to a new land and you're not familiar with and you're still, you still miss, you believe in mystical things and a lot of fantasy based things. And you arrive from, whether it be England or Spain or Italy or Portugal or any of these conquistador infested locations, and you believe in gods and angels and demons and creatures created by monsters, you arrive in the land, you know some of the natives, but they live in nature. And in the middle of the night, you see, they're dark skinned, they're tan at minimum, and it gets darker from there. They're running around doing their thing. Maybe they're doing some ritual or something. They're in their tribal uniform and they look not the way. They don't have the normal shape of anything you could identify. They maybe have a helmet on. The helmet has weird spikes. Maybe they have the skull of a dead creature on them. Okay, so a dead cow or something that they put that on top of, like a buffalo? Yeah, anything.

Cristina: You know, just looking at like a chattel or something of it.

Jack: Yes. You're seeing something alien as f***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's just a Native American with tribal gear on. They're just doing what they do, but you don't understand what they do. And it's the middle of the night, you look, maybe you're wandering, maybe, who knows, you're delivering goods from one town to another. It takes you a couple of days, which means you got to camp out in the woods and you just happen to be close to a camp and they're just walking their normal route before you see something really weird and you're like, what the f*** is that? I saw a f****** werewolf. It did not. It looked humanoid. It looked like he had a bunch of excessive hair or feathers and horns and a head that was oversized and he was way bigger than. And it's because they were wearing an outfit that was huge and fluffy and odd looking.

Cristina: What? Yeah, that could be the werewolf.

Jack: So now we're building where the stories are coming from before anything gets confirmed. We just have. Oh, I've seen them. Even if I've. If I haven't been up close. I've seen shadows and things. I know what they are. Those are werewolves. Those are a human creed, although it hasn't been a wolf yet. But you come to the United States before the United States. You come to America and you are exploring and you see these Native Americans or captives, slaves running away. You are in America. We have wolves of many different kinds.

Cristina: Yeah, this.

Jack: And they live where? The woods, the forests. And where do the Native Americans live? The deserts, the woods and the forest. So you're either seeing them with coyotes or you're seeing them with wolves. Either way.

Cristina: So they're wearing a wolf.

Jack: They could be wearing a wolf. And they're probably at peace in nature with the wolves.

Cristina: Ah, you hear like a wolf howling and then you see them and you're.

Jack: Like, there's a harmony between them and you're confusing one with the other. You hear the wolf and then you see the guy in the outfit you can't identify. It looks like some alien. It looks like a creature you can't but it's an outfit in the dark, and you can't really make out that they're wearing an outfit. You're just like, I. You could even think that's f****** Bigfoot. You don't know. You saw some crazy s***, but you heard the wolf. Now you're making associations. Now you're connecting dots, but there's nothing happening. These are just circumstances that happen to be close to one another.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're from the forest. The wolves are from the forest. You're walking on route to make a delivery by the force. You hear one thing, you see the other, you think it's the same thing. I heard a wolf. I know what a wolf sounds like, but then I saw a creature, and I'm already thinking wolf. But then I see that. I associate wolf to it. It's a wolf, man.

Cristina: Yeah. I'm not gonna investigate that.

Jack: Exactly. I saw Wolfman. Yeah, I heard it, then I saw it.

Cristina: Yeah. Real life werewolves.

Jack: Interesting, right? So there's definitely a psychological factor that leads to these things. There's the way rumors get started and myths begin. Is always base and grounded. There's something real going on.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That gets twisted and turned by superstitious people and by ideologies and by narratives sometimes intentionally twisted in order to, like, think of. What's his name? Shakespeare. He writes stories about situations that aren't real to warn people about possibilities. And so that probably happened a million times. Fairy tales, a lot of the time were told because you wanted to warn somebody.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We had a guest, our last guest before this episode, Chris Rustic, who was telling us about the banana tree, who would rape people. But it's really just a story you come up with to scare kids out of going into the woods, but not scare them away from other people. You just don't want them to be anywhere they can't be be seen where something horrible could happen.

Cristina: So saying werewolves are in the woods could scare off the kids from entering the woods?

Jack: Yes. At the beginning, it began as somebody really saw something. They don't know what they saw, but that mental association happens. But then they start twisting it because, look, I don't know what the f*** I saw, and I don't want my kids going into the woods.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we make a story about the werewolves we saw because we did see werewolves. I saw it. I was there. I ran into town immediately afterwards. I'm like, I can't make this delivery. There's a monster in the woods. It was half man, half wolf. They tell the whole town. They tell the Kids, how long before that becomes just a tale that that town knows of, that the forest is filled with werewolves?

Cristina: And it's just to protect the kids, though, or.

Jack: It didn't begin that way. It was warning. It was like somebody saw a f****** creature in there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Somebody saw a werewolf, and we don't know what those werewolves do.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Jump forward. Many, many, many, many years. We're in Modern Era. 2012, Miami, Florida. Some guy is on the street eating another m***********'s face.

Cristina: That's not a zombie. That wasn't the first case of a zombie.

Jack: That was the first case of a zombie. But it came from a person having bath salts, which are just a synthetic drug imitating, usually a methamphetamine or heroin. These synthetic drugs that are made to imitate, whether it be heroin or it be methamphetamines or whatever, they have very specific behaviors that happen to people. They do things that these other drugs don't. And like. Wait, what?

Cristina: What is it?

Jack: Oh, what things do they do?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Well, there's a couple of effects that they have that they create. You know, primarily the bath salt, specifically, it is a unique compound of things. Right. For short, it's called mdpv. But usually when people take these things, they tend to cause the user to go hypermanic with psychosis, and then they become highly aggressive.

Cristina: But do they take it for that?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They think they're getting high as if it were heroin or as if it were methamphetamine.

Cristina: So is this something like they're lied to that what it is or.

Jack: No, they know what it is. They just think they're going to have that reaction.

Cristina: Okay. But. Okay.

Jack: Not everybody reacts the same way.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's not like everyone who takes bath salts behaves the same way.

Cristina: No.

Jack: But some people do take bath salts, and. Because it's not like a science.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's not down to a T. It's. Everybody makes it different, and it's always tainted one way or another. People are going to react in weird ways. Exactly. So with a lot of people having these sort of very aggressive behaviors come weird sporadic brain patterns and, like, irrational tendencies that they have. They scream and they throw themselves on the floor and roll over and they tear at their chest and they tear at their legs. They scratch themselves till they bleed. They kind of go crazy, essentially. In one of these cases we saw in Miami, the guy who ate the face, he was one of two. I think the other one was in California or something who attacked an individual and kind of started Just eating a f****** person while they were still alive.

Cristina: Were they? Did they sound like an animal? Like what did they sound like?

Jack: Their screams were f****** crazy. We can hear.

Cristina: We can hear it.

Jack: Yeah. So we can hear what this individual sounds like.

Cristina: Okay, that's gonna be horrifying. I know. Is that the guy?

Jack: Yes, that's a guy on Bath Sal.

Cristina: Wow. But did they do something?

Jack: No, they're just watching him trip out on bath salts.

Cristina: Stop it.

Jack: All right, all right, I'll stop the video. Sir.

Cristina: Stay down. Stay down.

Jack: You're going to hurt yourself. Okay, so that are the sounds that a person on bath salts makes?

Cristina: What? What? Hearing that in the middle of the night. Horrifying, definitely.

Jack: Hearing that in the middle of the night is a nightmare of sorts, especially if you don't know what is happening. Now, as we know, it's been associated with cannibalistic tendencies.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, let's keep all of these things in mind as we go back in time to hearing weird things. And a man runs into the woods saying, I was on my delivery route and I saw a f******. I heard a howl. I saw a weird creature walking through the woods. It was a f****** werewolf.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You know, it has yellow eyes. You saw teeth, you saw big build, which is probably just a f****** outfit of some sort. And you heard a howl. There's a whole mentality happening here.

Cristina: A picture is being made.

Jack: Yes. Now, you, in these times, don't have a doctor the way traditional doctors work. Now we're talking 1700s.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So a doctor is a bit different of a concept. A doctor is really an alchemist, a witch doctor. And what do they do? They grab random chemicals, put them together, trying to heal. Random s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Usually they give you something. It's not even research. They're just like this s*** with that s***. Yeah, here's some poison. Take it. You know, it'll cure you. People are getting f****** given. What was that thing that's inside of a thermometer?

Cristina: Mercury.

Jack: Mercury. People are getting mercury. F****** cure s***. Like, come on, bro.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: So, like, it wasn't the smartest of practices, but let's say you have liver problems. So you have yellow eyes. Your liver isn't functional the way it should be. You go to this witch doctor, the alchemist, and he's like, I got something for you. I'm gonna throw a couple of these things together, and you're gonna take this. It's random s***. It's random. What are the odds that once in a while there was an adverse reaction that behaved the way a chemical compound like bath salts does. You can actually get close to this type of behavior with mercury poisoning.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: You get fevers, you get hallucinations, you become manic, you become aggressive. And you can get that from mercury poisoning. You become very delusional. Okay, so what stops a witch doctor from giving somebody who has a failing liver without knowing that that's the case? Some concoction that works like bath salts. Person, for whatever reason, wanders the woods and now you have a yellow person freaking the out, running out at and.

Cristina: Trying to eat them, trying to bite their faces.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But you're alone, walking through the woods. It's dark. You get randomly attacked by this individual. You don't get to see them. You already just heard the stories. You heard the other guy and he was a. You were like, he's a p****. He does. He's just seeing. Yeah, Imma do the delivery and imma get the money he didn't earn. And now I'm walking through the woods and then boom. I got attacked by somebody, some s*** in the middle of the night. It kind of looked human, but I couldn't really tell because it was too quick. But I know it bit me, it scratched me and then it threw itself on the floor, started screaming and scratching itself, and then ran off into the woods. What the f*** did I just see? Yeah, it was the werewolf that guy was talking about.

Cristina: No, you're gonna become one. Or if you know that's part of the story, if that's part of the story already.

Jack: Not yet, but it's gonna be. Because the guy who spends his time in the woods is exposed to particular, that puts him in a unique kind of circumstance.

Cristina: Wait, which guy?

Jack: The quote, werewolf. Oh, okay, okay, so Native Americans, people wandering, making deliveries, slaves trying to escape captivity, running through the woods. Whatever the case might be, animals have parasites and have diseases. And if you get attacked by animals, there are certain kinds of diseases that are more prominent in creatures and others enter the most dangerous thing you could have gotten at that time. That now is one of the most easily curable things you could ever get. Rabies.

Cristina: Rabies? Oh, yeah.

Jack: Now, rabies, basic things, it's transmitted through saliva, usually through a bite. If you touch saliva with rabies, you're not gonna get it. So how do you get. You either need that saliva to fall into your mouth, to be ingested somehow, or to come in contact with your blood.

Cristina: Okay, like being bitten?

Jack: Like being bitten. Now, the virus is enclosed in the saliva. That's why it travels through it. It's sort of protected by the saliva itself. And it targets the nervous system and particular brain cells.

Cristina: And what does the rabies. What is it gonna do?

Jack: Well, the rabies is going to cause muscle spasm, aggressive behavior, psychosis, hallucinations, and very particularly foaming from the mouth.

Cristina: Foaming from the mouth?

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: That's pretty horrifying. If you see that in the woods and it bites you.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And then just a person biting you, you will get rabies.

Jack: It would be transmitted? Yes.

Cristina: Oh, so in the story, the guy who gets bitten gets rabies.

Jack: Yes. So if we follow the picture perfectly, there might be a Native American roaming the woods. He's where the wood, where the wolves are. The guy is first, guys walking through. He hears a wolf, sees the Native American, panics, doesn't make the delivery. Somewhere in that time, the Native American gets bitten himself by some creature in the woods. They don't have a vaccine. They catch rabies. The rabies causes a series of behaviors that makes their liver fail for whatever reason. Now you got yellow eyes. You still got your outfit on. You're savage. You're crazy. You're acting like a maniac. Your tribe leader creates a alchemic concoction, gives it to you, enhances the problems you're already dealing with. Now you are extra manic, extra crazy, extra psychotic. And you're attacking yourself. And anything you see, you get cast out. You're no longer part of the village. You're a danger.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You're running through the woods. That other guy's coming through because that other previous delivery man is a b****. Imma do the job. He's paranoid. You run out, suddenly attack them in your big fluffy outfit because you haven't taken it off. Nobody could get close enough to you. You're danger.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So you still got it. You come out looking like some crazy creature they can't identify. You don't look human because of what you're wearing, but you kind of do look human because of your general shape, except you're not making sense. You're making crazy sounds like the ones we just heard.

Cristina: And you're foaming at the mouth.

Jack: You're foaming out of the mouth. You're crawling. So it's somewhere between animalistic and not. Your higher brain functions are shutting off because of the rabies. And the hallucination are coming on because of the rabies as well as because of the poisoning, probably from mercury. You have a ton of symptoms stacking up on top of each other. And then you go and you bite the guy on Top of your struggle, you're fighting him, you're fighting yourself. You bite him, you scratch him. He panics. He manages to get out in time. He leaves the package behind. He gets back to town, he's like, I was attacked by that thing.

Cristina: Oh, no.

Jack: There is a f****** werewolf out there. You don't know that. That bite has f***** you up.

Cristina: Yep. So.

Jack: So you have the bite. This guy's been living in the woods God knows how long, going crazy. He's gonna die soon anyways because he has rabies. Your s*** gets f***** up. You start developing a fever. The wound gets infected. You start getting started, starting to hallucinate, developing fevers and developing crazy behaviors. They're, like, associated with the thing. Yeah. Becoming a werewolf, they think, dude, you got whatever that guy got.

Cristina: Yeah. Then their solution to hunt down that guy.

Jack: No. Their solution is we gotta give you some s*** to cure you.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: But in those times, you go to nat to the means, you know, back to alchemy. So you give this person something that basically accelerates their behavior and behaves like bath salts. On top of the fact that the rabies was already causing a series of symptoms that are very crazy. Animalistic psychosis, hallucination.

Cristina: So he goes through the same thing the other guy is going through times two.

Jack: Yeah, I guess literally exactly what the other guy's going through. You're going through the symptoms of rabies plus the symptoms of, essentially, bath salts put together. And they're watching you slowly become animalistic.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You're becoming a beast to them.

Cristina: Didn't they stab you in the forehead to see if you're a werewolf?

Jack: No, probably. A lot of the times they probably just ended up killing these people. Now, there are a couple of things that could enhance this narrative. It depends on who gets it. There's actually a condition called hypotrichosis, which is the growth of excessive body hair. And it could grow not just everywhere on your body, but it includes your face.

Cristina: Yeah. So you could have seen people. Yeah. That look like. They kind of look like wolf people. Yeah. Yeah. Like what you'd imagine, like in a corny werewolf movie. They kind of look like that.

Jack: Yeah, you could have. Yeah, exactly. Like. Like wolf man or some s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So you could have this condition and go through all the same symptoms. I just said you actually don't even have to go through s***. You could have been attacked by a wolf and seen a man with this condition walking through the woods.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, even if he didn't attack you, just seeing this man through the woods Is probably frightening enough.

Jack: Yeah, fair enough. But in order to get the condition in which we see somebody get infected and then become, then we must consider that the person that they saw who had hypertrichosis was a person who also had rabies. So maybe this guy in the woods has rabies, has hypertrichosis. He doesn't. He looks deformed to you, Harry. Everywhere, you can't really tell. Runs out he has rabies. He's crazy. Comes in, he attacks you. He bites you, freaks out, runs off into the woods. You swear that was a wolf man. You go back home, then you're starting to freak out. You're starting to have symptoms. The local alchemist comes and he gives you your toxic poison that's gonna make you worse than that guy who only had rabies. But now you're freaking out quicker and sooner and behaving like a psychopath. And they swear you're becoming a werewolf. Yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Yes, Yes, I could see that.

Jack: Now, there are specific circumstances that are very interesting relative to the story. And in the case of the woods, the brightest nights in the woods are full moons, because the moon is reflecting the most light back down to earth. Meaning you can see things in the woods, most likely during a full moon than any other time of the month. Meaning anything you'd probably already see anyways if you could. Yeah, you're just way more aware of during a full moon. And if there's people normally roaming the woods but you can't see them, maybe they live in the woods.

Cristina: Yeah, you're more likely to see them in the full moon.

Jack: Yep. Full moon comes through and you're like, they're out only during the full moon. Not really. They're always there.

Cristina: That's where the whole full moon thing comes from as well. Transforming during a full moon.

Jack: Yes, yes. It's just that that one is entirely circumstantial that that's happening. So the we can assume that the first delivery guy probably was making that delivery close to ordering a full moon.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then that's why he saw what he saw. He heard the wolf looking into the woods. He saw a figure roaming while the other guy had less visibility. The full moon is gone. The delivery still has to be made. It's been a couple of days. We need to get this out there. People are too scared. I'm the brave one. I'll go do it. But now it's way darker. You have way less moonlight.

Cristina: Then you get surprised.

Jack: Then you get surprised.

Cristina: Okay, now you have.

Jack: With less visibility. You don't know what's happening, how long.

Cristina: That you're sick for and when you're at your worst. And then it just happens to be a full moon when you're getting really bad.

Jack: Yeah. Not only, only that, the possibility that you run off before any of that. Like they don't see you become hairy, they see you run off into the same woods they're accusing people of being werewolves in. But that place already has wolves. If by any chance wolves are hungry, you roam into the woods. One, they're killing you. Second, they're not leaving just because they ate you. So people are gonna be like became a werewolf. I can hear him out there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So you ran off into the woods because you're crazy and irrational. Got eaten by wolves. But the number of wolves are still there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So they're just associating the wolves they're seeing with oh, one of them is him.

Cristina: Yes. They're gonna think one of them are you unless they burn the body. I think they have to burn the body and then that wolf you will die too.

Jack: But that's way in the future after these stories become more prominent and everybody knows. So this is around the face that building solutions for the werewolf. We can't have them adding to the werewolves in the forest because it's going to make it impossible for us to travel if it's just packed with werewolves. So we got to dispose of anybody who's infected. Yes, that's where that solution comes in. Because it becomes a problem if everybody who goes out either never comes back. Which means they got killed or they became one of them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that also creates the circumstance where you are traveling in large caravans. So you build large groups, you no longer make deliveries as individuals. But wolves stay away from groups larger than their own because they don't want to be the prey. So when there's a ton of people together, the wolves aren't coming out to play. They're gonna f****** hide. Same thing happens with native tribes. They don't know these f****** white skinned people coming through. If it's just one of them and there's a f*** ton you, that's cool. But if they're roaming together with gun and f****** carriages, you're not f****** with that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So in large groups they're safer. And then caravans form and they start traveling like that instead. So people only see werewolves when they cannot confirm that it is in fact not.

Cristina: So when you're alone, when you're.

Jack: Yeah, when there's either less of you.

Cristina: Or you're alone to actually investigate or yes.

Jack: When you're too scared to think clearly.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's when you're more likely to see a werewolf. And again, it's just an alignment of situations. A person with this condition could run outside, get rabies, behave like an animal. It could have been a slave that got away. They have dark skin in any of these cases. Any of them could have had liver damage, creating the yellow eyes. In the case of any dark skinned individual, whether it be the native or the slave, could have. You can see their teeth in the dark, even if their skin is dark. If it was a native, they have, using any of their tribal wear, they have large outfits that make them look disproportionate but still humanoid. There are many, many, many. And the woods equals wolves instinctively.

Cristina: Yeah. That's the biggest thing though for the werewolves is just you're surrounded by wolves.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, you're definitely surrounded by wolves. And that creates a pretty vivid picture for people. And the solutions that come as time goes by are just all a product of this. So we have individuals believing, just experimenting, essentially. You gotta try to cure them, you gotta try to kill them, you gotta try to. You do everything you can. This is where we bring in the scientists of the times. Which probably led to a lot of torture.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because we think of like the Salem witch trials when the things they did there, this is no different, this is just a new, a new foe to them. You know, some new circuit circumstances. They got to learn to navigate.

Cristina: There were strange things we talked about that they do. Like the stabbing on the forehead.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: We're cutting the skin to see if there's fur behind the skin.

Jack: That as well. Especially if it's somebody with a hypertrichosis. But they wouldn't have the fur inside, they would have it outside, which is.

Cristina: Yeah. So I don't think there'll be any tests. You. That person's a werewolf.

Jack: That person's a werewolf. Yeah.

Cristina: Test for that.

Jack: That person is definitely a werewolf. But this brings in another interesting point. This is unrelated to all those things, but related to the entire idea that there is a condition which makes a person believe that they are a shapeshifter. It's called clinical lisanthropy. And people with this condition, it's a psychological affliction which causes delusions of one having been or currently being a shapeshifter most commonly associated with werewolves.

Cristina: But that means that they also. There are some that have different animals in mind.

Jack: Yes. But now let's reassociate this with the story you hear about the Werewolf. Nobody thinks anything about it. The story flies through the town. Oh, he talking. Oh, no, that guy's crazy. He's always talking nonsense like that. You don't have to believe him. But then the second guy comes and he's like, I saw it. I was attacked by it. And then he, quote, turns into it, unquote.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now the fear is in the town. There's f****** werewolves out there. Two different people in two different circumstances have seen it. One of them was attacked by it. And somebody can develop this condition out of fear. The trauma alone could make them believe.

Cristina: That they're aware that they're werewolf.

Jack: So they'll think I either got bitten at some point and I don't know, or something along those lines. And then they start freaking out. And then they start showing weird behaviors that they think are what a werewolf would do, then causing other people to panic.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now this leads us into a circumstance where we have somebody who is not transformed but claiming to be. Probably even claiming to have gotten bitten.

Cristina: Or maybe he drank that wolf water.

Jack: Well, that's a weird one. But you don't have a full moon yet, and that's usually when you see them. This person hasn't transformed and there hasn't been a full moon yet. Now you start making these sort of unnecessary associations of there hasn't been a full moon, they're bitten, they haven't turned, and that's the only time we see them. Do they only turn during full moons?

Cristina: Oh, okay, yeah.

Jack: You're starting to connect all the dots. So what? The people who catalog these things. Things, they start connecting random f****** dots. And it's like the first sighting during a moon during full moon. Second and third sightings during full moon. But the attack happened during a regular night, meaning the full moon turned them. And then they had. They were already this in the woods, just roaming aimlessly so they afterwards couldn't go back. They turned during the full moon, which is why we see more of them then. And then they're just out there stuck in this form.

Cristina: Okay, and then. But then why isn't this one like.

Jack: Because there's no full moon yet. That's where the panic starts. That's probably why they are more likely. We got to figure the salute, we got to solve the problem before the full moon. Or kill them.

Cristina: And then they end up killing.

Jack: Then they end up killing them. This is where the experimentation phases come in, where they end up stabbing somebody in the f****** head.

Cristina: Burning them alive.

Jack: Burning them alive and things of that nature.

Cristina: Where does the silver come from just a random torture tool that just got on, like, catch.

Jack: That's a weird one, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, in thinking about this whole shapeshifter thing, I started digging into that, trying to find out if there are any creatures in nature that shapeshift that have the ability to shapeshift. To my disappointment, there is no land creature that could do it. The closest thing is a frog that changes its color at will and some reptiles.

Cristina: Yeah, but what about butterflies? I mean, a caterpillar turning into a butterfly, that's pretty shape shifting.

Jack: No, I mean like actively changing its shape. Okay, that's your butterfly. Your butterfly, yeah. Saying like swamping from one to the other. And the only examples of this in nature are cephalopods, which include octopuses, squids, cuttlefish, and nautilus.

Cristina: So they're all very similar.

Jack: Yeah, they're all pretty, pretty similar. They imitate their environment. They change their body shape by aligning because they're boneless. They get kind of like assort themselves in weird ways and they all have the capacity to change color.

Cristina: That helps. I guess that helps.

Jack: Yeah. But there doesn't seem to be any examples of this in nature other than those things. There doesn't seem to be land versions of these creatures.

Cristina: There's no Boo. That's so sad.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's definitely problematic because there is the lacking of where the original idea of a person turning into it come from. Because the best we can do is assume somebody saw a wolf or heard a wolf and then saw a person.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It makes more sense if he saw somebody with hypertrichosis. So you hear a wolf and then you see maybe a Native American wandering the woods. And you can tell them very easily, but they're covered in fur, including their face. And you're like, that's what I saw. Heard howling. That's a wolf, man. Whatever the f*** you know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So I don't entirely have any other path there than that because there is no shape shifting in nature, per se.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But that brings us to an interesting detail though, which is at the end of your episode, we got to the conclusion that it's completely possible that a werewolf and a vampire are similar and a not just similar, but probably the same creature.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We're talking about a creature that either drinks blood or eats people. In every one of these instances, the werewolf, it took us getting to the story of somebody seeing bodies at war that were drained of blood. The vampires are commonly discussed as showing up in the middle of nowhere and biting somebody.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the chupacabra very similarly goes and drains animals that it can of blood.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Doing like looking into this, the, the most interesting connecting line here was lysanthropy, which makes people believe that they are a shapeshifter. And that's fascinating because it's common most commonly for a werewolf.

Cristina: That's very strange that it's most commonly for a werewolf.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Most commonly that they believe they're like half dog or something. But at no moment does it prevent them from thinking they're becoming a different type of dog or creature. Four legged creature. They're turning into some other s***, maybe even a bat sometimes. Who knows what they think they're turning into. It's the fact that these people believe they're turning into something.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that's a common thread between all those things that I found particularly interesting that they could all root back to this condition and rumors of this condition.

Cristina: It could be all on this. Wait, do you mean like vampires and chupacabras could somehow.

Jack: If they. If it's not all real. But they are all so similar. It's either the regional differences of everything. If we think the difference between a Sasquatch, Bigfoot and the Yeti, it's like the same creature. You're just talking about different places.

Cristina: Yeah. You know, in some places though, instead of werewolf, there's like were hyena or were, you know, other creatures.

Jack: Yes, yes. I'm thinking that a werewolf to the west is a vampire to Europe the same way that a Chupacabra is to the southwest. I'm thinking it's regional and they're talking about the same thing every time. The stories were because of the culture.

Cristina: And the area depends on what animals around them.

Jack: Yes, that's a big influencer, what they're likely to see. Why is it that the west is so prominent with werewolves, but wolves are so prominent in the west?

Cristina: Because they're scared of wolves. Exactly.

Jack: It's in the area you are where the thing came to be. So there's a wolf man because you're surrounded by wolves. But in the south there are other creatures. You live by jungles, you live by deserts, you live in very specific circumstances. So you're gonna have some not wolf kind of dog like thing happening over there. Sometimes they describe it even being like a little dinosaur, which is probably just a f****** lizard of some sort.

Cristina: They describe it as a dinosaur?

Jack: Yeah, like a little dinosaur. The chupacara. That looks.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yes, yes.

Jack: Yeah. So it's probably just some sort of lizard of which they have f*** tons.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because jungle's everywhere.

Cristina: Yeah. Whatever they're afraid of.

Jack: Whatever they're afraid of. Whatever's in your region is most likely what your big bad monster is made of.

Cristina: Yeah. And people like before, though, I think it helped them explain serial killers with werewolves. Of the idea of, like, how could a human murder all these people?

Jack: Well, that's actually interesting, the possibility that it's a way to tell a story without making people inherently evil. Because we have a tendency of thinking we're superior, then we have to keep that idea moving forward. So even if we might know it was a person, we don't want our kids to know what's a person. So we make up a story and we tell them the story to explain things away.

Cristina: And we might also believe these stories because we don't want to believe we could. We're capable of doing something like that.

Jack: Here's where the twist of information that I mentioned at the beginning of the episode comes in.

Cristina: In what?

Jack: Because somebody makes up the fairy tale.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But how long before. How many generations go by before you don't know where it came from? And it's just a story of something that did happen. And the person who said it probably even had that in mind. They come. They just tell it like it's real.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then a couple of generations down, nobody knows where it came from. They just know it's a story about a series of events. Not that it's a fairy tale. Then you have this creature is real because these many people experienced it at these times and it's somewhere. But you gotta be careful. But really it's just a bunch of psychopathic murderers or tribe sacrificing people or some s***.

Cristina: Yeah. That's crazy. What if though? Well, now I wonder if there was also, like, besides blaming murderers as werewolves, maybe cannibals.

Jack: I definitely think that's a big one. In times when total crucial survival was needed. Anybody who's starving. Like there was a lot of cannibalism back then.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So for survival sake.

Cristina: But once that's over and they're still eating, then.

Jack: But also not just that. Like you could just be killed by a pack of wolves.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You could just have been murdered by random pack of wolves while you're were making your f******. There was never anything. It was just wolves.

Cristina: But you find your dead body covered in fur or something.

Jack: Yeah. But people are like, you know, I can handle wolves, but can you handle a werewolf?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it could also be a tactic of getting people's stupidity in check oh.

Cristina: But you know, people still believe in werewolves, right? There are people who believe it.

Jack: What, today?

Cristina: Yeah. Like there was recently a dog or I guess a dog, a creature that they couldn't tell what the creature was, so they needed to take a DNA test of it because they didn't know what it was. I have the picture of it if you want to look at it.

Jack: Sure.

Cristina: This is the creature. And some people thought it was a dire wolf. I guess that's like an ancient wolf.

Jack: Yes, that's a very old wolf.

Cristina: I guess, maybe. But the DNA results was that it was a deformed female gray wolf. Deformed.

Jack: That's interesting.

Cristina: Yeah. Because it has oddly long gray fur, oversized claws and extra large head, which made them. Like there's something weird about this dead dog thing.

Jack: Like it's not like the others.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. So that's why they were really. That's why they needed the DNA test because it just. It's just something off about this dead creature.

Jack: Interesting, interesting. Is it like larger than usual?

Cristina: Yeah, it's larger than usual. So. But its legs were too short also to be a wolf or a dog. They described it as. So I don't know, like everything else was big except their legs. So it was a really deformed looking wolf dog thing.

Jack: Interesting. I wonder what could have caused this mutation that made it that way. Maybe it had like cerebral palsy or some form of genetic disorder that caused it to be. Did. Did they ever see it alive?

Cristina: I don't think so. I think they found the dead because.

Jack: There'S a bunch of disorders that cause physical defects as well as some of them also cause sort of mental defects. So they could have probably told whether this had some human type of. Really. Because there's animals who've had mental retardation and there's animals who've had cerebral palsy and autism and things of that nature. So they could have perhaps been able to tell if it was alive and they could have seen its behavior.

Cristina: Maybe they. It was alive and they got too scared and decided, you gotta kill it before it kills me.

Jack: People panic.

Cristina: Yeah. It could be a panicky situation.

Jack: Yeah. This is what I found related to werewolves and the origin story of what, where it could have come from or what might have perpetuated the folklore in the first place. Like where did these stories really originate? It. It was probably a collection of circumstances because the probability that anything of this nature is real seems unlikely. Yeah, it seems highly unlikely that a werewolf would be real. It's like all the evidence is painting Pointing towards a collection of events sort of lining up in the right order.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But not like any singular thing could have all of these things all together in one instance. I think it's just circumstantial evidence and superstitious people putting two and two together on top of mixtures of drugs and diseases and fears. Fears. Weird timing. A bunch of put together equals what we know as a werewolf.

Cristina: Yeah. The conclusion is that vampires are cooler than werewolves, though.

Jack: No. The conclusion is the only circumstance that could make a werewolf be real by any means is that it's not a werewolf. The only possible solution for there being a werewolf. It seems like a vampire and a chupacabra are a million times more likely than a werewolf could be. Because a chupacabra is not just considered a creature. It's considered a creature that was probably made in a lab. That seems way more likely. And a vampire could just be a cannibalistic human. Human. Which is also something else.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But the werewolf circumstances. Iffy. It's hard to come across. And it seems like the only way that a werewolf could be is if the other two are also the same thing. If we have a bit of a shape shifter going on, then it could also assume the form of a wolf man or a wolf.

Cristina: But it's hard to prove anything about shape shifting.

Jack: It's hard to prove anything about shape shifting because there's zero evidence in that direction.

Cristina: No. Maybe they're just so sneaky about it.

Jack: How do you prove something is even shifted into a shape?

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: It just looks like something else. But. Yeah. So that's basically what's out there. That's. The possibilities are there's either no werewolf and an alignment of stars led to the stories being born.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or people trying to explain things away or warn people without scaring them about other people. Made up folklore and fairy tales.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or f****** shapeshifter. That's it. You're either a shapeshifter, You're a product of a fairy tale that somebody was just using to warn people, or a very specific alignment of events, including drugs and diseases and too many things. Yeah. That one's the least likely is the possibility that it's real.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: A vampire in a chupacabra. A million times more real than the possibility of a werewolf. A werewolf is just very unlikely.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So that's pretty much what it is. There is no chance that's rooming. Anyways, if you guys enjoyed this, if you guys agree with that, that leave us a Message.

Cristina: If you don't leave us a message.

Jack: Yeah, either way, just tell us what you think about these things. Tell us what you think about werewolves and is. Is it a vampire? Chupacabra? Shapeshifty thingy? Is it an alignment of the stars? Is it a story, a fairy tale? Or do you believe maybe there are werewolves? And I'm up. So let us know. Anyways, you can find the podcast on the official website greatthoughts.info on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and anywhere you get your podcast.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and Tick Tock at just Convopod.

Jack: Yes, and remember to subscribe and rate the show. Give us some stars of any amount. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 30, 50, 100. 150 f****** stars. However many stars you think we deserve. And review if you feel something so inclined.

Cristina: And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes, the power of word of mouth. You guys know. Tell people about the show. Tell them, hey, we just proved your crazy theory about werewolves wrong. Bob, you're talking about that werewolf in the woods. You're an idiot. Listen to this show. That proves you wrong. Or Bob, these people say it not, but you got photographic proof of a werewolf. Send it to them. Please do that, Bob.

Cristina: Send us the videos. This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: Okay, I'm hanged. So I died to this person.

Jack: But then, oh my God.

Cristina: Come back to listen to a newer episode. You're like, oh my God, she's still alive.

Jack: Hans, bro. Like that.

Cristina: Shocking though, didn't they? Well, it was in one movie I think where they thought his girl died. But then she wasn't dead. She just forgot her memories. But then bro, they do this. Converted her from the bad guy to the good guy anyway. And I don't even know if she gained her memories back.

Jack: I don't. Look, I don't even understand.

Cristina: She a new person who just. I don't fell in love with him.

Jack: Understand why this works. Wasn't a in movie reveal. They showed us this. What could be left inside that movie that's gonna blow our Brian.

Cristina: He's gonna come back.

Jack: He's gonna come back and it isn't even gonna be like his brother look alike. We're just gonna have Paul Walker in the movie. I like. What else could possibly happen?

Cristina: What is the point of showing us that? I don't know. And then it's crazy. Good morning.

Jack: Dub a dub. Dub dub.

Cristina: Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Colazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts info, art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

November 07, 2020

Rambling 108: Werewolf Folklore

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What are the real stories about werewolves and where do they come from? Werewolves and the Folklore surrounding their mystery is discussed.

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The duo begins a new case about werewolves and they begin with the folklore and tales surrounding them. From origins to methods of disposing of them. But diving deep takes the duo down rabbits holes they never expected to go. The connections they discover reveal the truth of werewolves rests on a different mythological creature entirely. The question is, how many other creatures are just this one? All that and more on this episode of Just Conversation.

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Abilities of the 7th Son
Werewolf Features
Talking Dogs
Becoming a Werewolf
Curing Werewolf Syndrome
Werewolf War
Killing Werewolves
White Man’s Folklore
Vampire Werewolves
Scolding Werewolves
Adrenochrome
Shapeshifters
Chupacabra

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October 17, 2020

Rambling 106: Galactic Zoo Theory

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Is Earth just an interstellar zoo for hyper-intelligent lifeforms? Answers to that and more on this episode of Just Conversation.

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While investigating the Mandela effect, the duo discovers something extraordinary about planet Earth. Digging deeper it starts to become apparent that there is high possibility Earth is currently being watched by advanced lifeforms. Searching for the answers as to why this is happening, the duo stumble upon several possibilities ranging from time travel to alien experiments, but what they discover along the way is something neither of the two could have ever expected!

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The Zoo Hypothesis
Fermi’s Paradox
The Great Silence
Earth Zoo
Unintelligent Life
Human Sanctuary
Two Distinct Life Origins on Earth
Ancient Astronauts
Future Humans
Aliens in Scripture
Vehicles in Scripture
Nephilim
Time Bubbles
Ghost Ships & UFOs
Jehovah & Lucifer Alien Leaders

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October 10, 2020

Rambling 105: Scooby Doo: The Chimera Experiment

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Unpacking what it would take to make a real Scooby Doo.

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After receiving a recon mission from the Illuminati, the clone duo set out to learn about a mysterious dog named Scooby Doo. The investigation leads to a scientist performing chimera experiments in Chinese facilities, dark secrets, erased and missing documents, a conspiracy to cover up the truth about hybrid creatures and more. What’s more disturbing of all is what they discover when all the information is put together. Find out more on this episode of Just Conversation.

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Scientist Juan Carlos
Chimera Experiment
Talking Animals
Meowth from Pokemon
Animal Intellect
Great Ape Chimera
Scooby’s Intellect
The Mystery Gang
Family Tree
Peta
Secret Laboratory

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October 03, 2020

Rambling 104: Weather Prediction Folklore

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Is predicting the weather possible? What can we learn from animals and nature to do so? Answers to that and more on this episode of Just Conversation.

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Because the Earth has experienced a record number of Typhoons and Hurricanes, the duo decides to learn what methods are useful to predict the weather in order to anticipate worse incoming natural disasters. With their plans to be prepared ahead of time, they deep dive into weather prediction, but what they might have to do to predict the weather not only is unexpected and confusing, but opens doors they didn’t expect to have to open.

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Weather Predicting Breasts
Scar Tissue
Weather Proverbs
Groundhog Day
Squirrel Nuts
Animal Weather Detecting Abilities
Weather to Predict Harvest
Merchant Ships
Storm Prediction
Dead Crew

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September 19, 2020

Rambling 103: Deja Vu Theories

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What are the possible explanations for Deja Vu? Are you reliving a moment? Are you seeing the future? Answers to this questions and many more on this episode of Just Conversation!

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The duo return to their investigation on DeJa Vu to dig deeper and pick apart the concept and its origins with newly discovered information. Will they find a definitive answer? Or just circle infinite possibilities trying to please the Illuminati HQ CEO? Find out!

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Spectrum of Deja Vu
All Things Happened
Reincarnation
Deja Vu Causes
Aliens
Time Loops
Subconscious Memory
Types of Deja Vu
Dejaville

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August 22, 2020

Rambling 100: Patterns

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100th Episode celebration by questioning the number 100 and many other patterns.

Story:
The duo celebrates their 100th Ramble episode by debating how irrational special numbers like 100 are and discussing all the other irrational patterns society holds dear. In doing so they open some doors they didn’t even know existed and seven of them lead somewhere they never expected they’d go. Find out where on this episode of Just Conversation.

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Pandemics Every 100 Years
The Plague
Tornado Rats
Patterns
Lincoln and Kennedy
The Number 13
Bad Luck
Special Numbers
12 Months, 12 Apostles
7 Days of the Week, 7 Deadly Sins, 777
3 Month Seasons, 3 Day Resurrection
7th Heaven

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August 15, 2020

Rambling 99: 5G Conspiracy

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Are 5G towers just the governments way of brainwashing us? Or are they givings Covid? That and more on this episode of Just Conversation.

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As the clone duo continues their research into the origin of conspiracy theories and why some people are capable of falling for them they dive into the 5G conspiracy only to uncover a truth so twisted it could have only been discovered on this show!

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Bat Soup Virus
5G Equals Covid
Covid Towers
Burning Cell Towers Down
Chinese Spies
Conspiracy Theories
Robot Overlords
Radiation Waves
Trophy Parents
Karen & Kyle

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