Rambling 241: The Forest of Shadows
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What connects us to the Shadow Realm so deeply? Why do the Mayans continue to reveal deeper and deeper roots associated with the Egyptians? And how do the Sea People have such massive advancements on even the most technological of civilizations? Trying to find any information on the Shadow Realm after consistent data shows ancient research teams contained Jinn and other Shadow Realm creatures as members, the duo are taken far back in time into the past of the Persians, back when they were still known as the Sumerians. What pops up in this research answers questions the duo didn’t even know they had, but leave new standing questions behind.
- Sumerians
- The Persians
- Shamash
- Judge for the Jinn
- Ganzir
- Cizin
- Ix Chel the Prodigy
- Inanna and the Fruit of Knowledge
- El
- The Forest of Shadows
- The Bridge of Realms
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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: Welcome to the Ramblin Podcast. I am your host, Jack.
Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.
Jack: And this is a show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. That's my best impression of Jerry Seinfeld. That was the most impressive and baffling. Not even impressive. Baffling ideas. What's the deal with airline food? That's what he sounds like to me. What's the deal? What's the deal with airline food?
Cristina: I don't think it sounds like him, but that's definitely something he would say.
Jack: Bare minimum. It's his cadence, even if it's not like his voice. Right. He has like that weird drag. Oh, my God, he has that thing going on. Even if I don't sound like him, his cadence is there is the substance of what makes up his kodansi. Yes, his kodansai. So listen to me, bruh.
Cristina: I'm listening.
Jack: We've been deep diving into s***. Look, a couple of episodes ago, we stumbled upon the Sun Gods. And that was some crazy nonsense about people making a scientific group together with people from the Shadow Realm and some Naga and some. Some Egyptians. And it was weird.
Cristina: It was very weird. Yeah.
Jack: And we were like, wow, people working with the Shadow Realm. But we. We got there by chasing the Naga through Oros. And then I was like, how do I do. I know the Mayans are connected somehow because they always usually show up. It seems the Mayans and the Egyptians are the two most connected groups among all the people, and they're across the world from each other. And so I was like, we gotta look and follow this path right back to the Mayans next time. Which we did. And what did we stumble upon?
Cristina: The Moon Gods. I don't remember.
Jack: No, that's from the Shadow Realm. That's all right. That's what we're calling the people in the Shadow Room for the Universe. I don't remember the Earth Gods. Yeah. Which are essentially a bunch of botanists trying to make life out of plants and stuff, which was interesting and weird, but it was consistent. There was a bunch of Earth Realm people, a bunch of Shadow Realm people, and Naga again. Working together. Working together. And then one really weird part about that was a confusing tidbit at the very end where there's just some stuff that says, oh, yeah, oh yeah, there's.
Cristina: Research in the Shadow Realm.
Jack: Yeah, there's research, not research in the Shadow Room. We don't know that for a fact. They brought. Somebody gave them. Yeah, I guess there's research in the shadow room. It's portal research.
Cristina: The portal research came from the shadow realm. Yeah, that's what that was. Yes.
Jack: But then alternatively, the sea people made a portal for the Mayans, and that was weird.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Anyways, I know a lot of the time it seems like it's very disconnected because I have the imagery and I never bring it in because I just pull out the data and the information, extract that, and kind of keep moving forward from that point. But I. I felt it was necessary maybe for you to look at the actual imagery that connects a lot of this stuff. So I just put them all together because I found the location that was all putting it. And it's like this is how intensely similar these two cultures are looking at the same things, the same visuals, the same structures. And they claim that they were given all the specs by the sea people. So their civilizations were developed by the blueprints that the sea people provided. Here's the entrance of some temples.
Cristina: Is the choice of the entrance importance in some way?
Jack: No, it's just architecture provided by the sea people.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: From one all the way in Mexico and the other one in Egypt. Very far apart. More structural similarities. Structure similar. It's gonna get way weirder.
Cristina: What is this?
Jack: Here you got this little T shape that matters and then the little curvy uppy thingy. And here you got the T shape with a little curvy uppy thingy. The difference is the Mayans had a lot of sculptures, as opposed to the Egyptians that had a lot of hieroglyphs.
Cristina: What does that mean? What could you guess about what the image is, or.
Jack: Well, over time, we have enough references that we can pull stories out of them. And when you compare notes, a lot of it is identical. But these are mainly, we're talking architecture and art, how identical they are. Because if I showed you text, they look very different. There's no point. What they're saying is the same, but then we gotta deep dive into that. So it's irrelevant to show you images of those unless you could read them both in their vein of tongues. But this is just consistently like, this is a weird one. The two lions facing away from each other. Now, we know lions aren't even for the Egyptians or the Mayans. It's what the sea people worship.
Cristina: Yeah. Okay.
Jack: Anywhere the sea people are, we see these very detailed sculptures of lions. So here are two lions in some cases, connected by this kind of cross symbol.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: The circle and then you have the lions again connected, but there's no cross symbol.
Cristina: There's no cross on, but they're still.
Jack: Connected and facing away from each other more or less the same way with a kind of barrier division in the middle. It's going to get weirder and weirder. It's exactly the same image as before.
Cristina: That's Egyptian. And that's what weird.
Jack: Right?
Cristina: Okay, that was. That's weird. His face is. Do you know who?
Jack: Well, it reminds me of Buddha. But interesting enough, the Mayan version of this is scary. Well, it's ancient. It looks significantly more ancient. And what's interesting about it is, are they. Who are they depicting? If they are both showing us an individual that looks the same. Is this what the sea people look like?
Cristina: Huh?
Jack: You see that? I found that interesting. This is the most vivid version of like a human face that they both have going on. It has the features of human face. Is that what the sea people look like in our current day cultures that came from the Persians and that came from the Mayans. Based on the sea people is like those red dots. The, you know, the tribal look. Was it adopted because they were following these people who were like gods to them.
Cristina: What are we looking at there? What's that?
Jack: We're looking at the dot on the forehead of a face. The dot on the forehead of a face. Just weird that this was a consistency through both of them. Dot on the forehead, the dot on the forehead. This got weird because I've seen both of these and I never connected. The fact that they're. It's a take on the same thing. It is.
Cristina: I have no idea what the first one is. I've never seen the Mexican.
Jack: It's like a human animal type of thing.
Cristina: Mm. Is it as big?
Jack: I don't. I have no idea what the scale is. I know the Sphinx is pretty large, but this is another real particular interesting kind of too exact thing going on.
Cristina: What exactly.
Jack: We got what's essentially a snake with two hands that the snake is laying on and they're kind of creating the same shape.
Cristina: Oh, those are the snake.
Jack: It's the coiled body of something. And it's weird that the structure is exactly the same. One Egyptian and the other Mayan. What weird.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Such identical stuff going on. Either they saw symbols or something very weird. Again, here we got the guy trapped in the thing with the two people. What's happening? Portal.
Cristina: That looks. Yes, portal.
Jack: Are they sending somebody somewhere?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: What's happened?
Cristina: That's. So that's a portal. Snow, I don't know, but it's so similar. Whoa. What is happening there?
Jack: What ritual is taking place here? We have a man standing over another person, another person crowning them or about to bash them in the head or something. And the hat the guy has is the same. Why? Why is that the case here? That's the weirdest part. You just got people dress identical across the Earth from each other.
Cristina: That is weird.
Jack: Very odd. Very strange. These are less related. It's just interesting how they structured these the same when they don't normally write this way. The Egyptians do, but the Mayans don't. Yet the Mayan still had laid out in a similar fashion these little cube structure things, the same way that the Egyptians would normally lay out their hieroglyphs. Also, the eye of Ra is that eyeball there, which is the snake, the serpent.
Cristina: Oh, that's the serpent's eye.
Jack: Yeah. Is the eye of rock. What the f*** is happening here? How is this hallway identical?
Cristina: I don't know. That doesn't make sense.
Jack: None of this makes sense. All of these things, the structure of their ancients were identical. The layout to the pyramids were identical. Here we have even more. This is. What's. This is the most interesting one. This is actually the last slide here, the seven points.
Cristina: What do you mean? Oh, okay. There's seven dots.
Jack: There's seven dots. These three creatures in India, Russia and Mexico have the seven heads happening.
Cristina: Yeah. Like seven snakeheads or something.
Jack: Yeah. But then you go into the structural version of them and you have again, India, that happens to have the three dots. Egypt has the three dots. Dots. And the Iranians and the Iraqis, basically the other Persians also had those dots.
Cristina: Okay. And which was the first three?
Jack: It was India, Russia and Mexico. So we have India connecting in two different points, having both variants, which then connects to Mexico. So we have the Middle east down here and we have the South America and then the Northeast.
Cristina: Weird.
Jack: Just everybody having the same visuals. Interesting enough. I've never seen the mention of Russia in any of this. And this is quite fascinating because. Why?
Cristina: You gotta look through their ancient history.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Like, gotta go way back.
Jack: It's. It's interesting, right?
Cristina: It's the weirdest thing, huh? But I wonder, what's the difference? Because why wouldn't they all choose the body version, like in. I guess.
Jack: No, it's just different representations. They wouldn't have the same art. But they're depicting the same things in their individual art. That's what's fascinating here.
Cristina: Yeah. Well, you haven't come across anything that. That could be representing?
Jack: No, I have no idea what the seven headed whatever or the seven points are, but they seem to be represented across both.
Cristina: Unless this is just another version of. I forgot what those creatures are called.
Jack: The Jinn. You think these are Jinn?
Cristina: No, the snake people.
Jack: Oh crap. I mean we do have one of them. It's literally a Medusa esque kind of thing going on.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So these could definitely be the Naga.
Cristina: No. Yeah, we know they come in different forms and stuff. They don't look the same from the ones we've seen in the past.
Jack: So what I do find the most interesting. Really? Really. Is this center shadow looking version from Russia that gives me shadow creature vibes.
Cristina: So it might not be a Naga.
Jack: Well, no. The other two give me Naga feels. For real?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And then down here when we look at just the dots themselves, it's very different. It doesn't give me the vibe of either this representative of something that makes.
Cristina: Me feel like it's even more shadow people related.
Jack: The abstract, obscure nature of it.
Cristina: Right. Yeah.
Jack: The hidden we must. Unless this is somehow representing something from the sea. People who are even more hidden than the things in the shadow realm.
Cristina: Or we do have that one random story of the snake who would wasn't happy where he was at so he popped up somewhere else and became the God. Yeah. Like this could be just one of those stories. One of those creatures deciding no, because.
Jack: These are inside of other civilizations that were respected. Like Egypt had its leader who was not.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So it doesn't apply that logic doesn't hold.
Cristina: That's true now.
Jack: Interesting. Right? I know I don't normally show you the imagery that I stumble upon while.
Cristina: Doing this research, but it is interesting.
Jack: But it's interesting and it's there. There's a lot of connection. I like that. I found this sort of like a lot connected all in one shot so I don't have to like fish them individually. So I was trying to find out because we've gotten mentions of shadow people hanging out with the minds and shadow people hanging out with the Egyptians. And so we know that people came from the shadow realm and we had people who weren't from the shadow realm abandon earthrealm and head to the shadow Realm. Abraxas particularly. So I went on a deep dive to find out whatever I could. And it took me way further back than I thought it would. But where we've been before, somehow it seems like the shadow realm had significantly more connections to us the further back we go.
Cristina: What do you mean, like, the further.
Jack: Back we go in time, the more access we casually had. The more forward in time we go, the more sealed up it seems to get.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: As opposed to us starting to build away there now we shut it in a rediscovering away it seems to be. So following this trail, I went back to the Persians. Weirdly enough, it took me.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: The Persians are kind of where it all began. The sea people who exist in the neck of the Persian Gulf, also known as the Persian Gulf Oasis.
Cristina: So you found out more about them before they.
Jack: Well, not necessarily. More going backwards when they were still called the Sumerians. So we have to unpack the Sumerians to come up with some kind of baffling details that I didn't know about before. But it's because we began where the sea people were because unicorns took us to the sea people. So we made that our starting point instead of going back and seeing like, okay, what else is there?
Cristina: Where did they come from before they left? Okay. What?
Jack: So the Persians, back when they were known as the Sumerians. Let us begin. There was a man named Shamash.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: He was a Sumerian. We're not gonna keep calling them Sumerians. I'm just calling them Persians for the sake of us understanding who we're talking about. But all the Sumerians are Persians. So a Persian judge. A Persian judge known to shortcut through the underworld to reach his place of work. I read that, and I'm like, what the. Somebody's just casually coming in and out.
Cristina: That's just a normal thing in his.
Jack: Normal thing in his life. So Shemesh became well known by the Djinn and was employed in being a judge for the region of the shadow realm in which he'd venture this is just some Sumerian story.
Cristina: I mean, he is. He's not a judge in the. No, he is human world.
Jack: No, he is. He was just cutting path through the shadow realm. He somehow just found a way to get in.
Cristina: But he was judging them too.
Jack: He was using a shortcut. Yes, through the shadow realm to get to work.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: His work wasn't in the shadow realm.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Shortcut means you're cutting through there.
Cristina: No, but it sounded like you also said something about.
Jack: Well, he was. Became familiar with the Djinn and was then employed by them to be a judge there too.
Cristina: That's exactly what I said. So he was. Me. He was a judge.
Jack: He specifically said he wasn't a judge in. Oh, yeah, he's a judge. He began as A judge in Earth Realm is the important detail here.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And then he shortcut it so frequently that he became familiar with the gin in the paths he was kind of taking. They became familiar with what he does and they're like, wait, your job is to judge people and give a verdict of sorts. Do that for us.
Cristina: It's weird, but okay.
Jack: Very strange. He told his sister Inanna of this path he'd found and the people he'd met traveling through through it, and of his. This peculiar tree. He found a weird tree he found in this forest. Because he was cutting through a forest. Inanna asked to see it personally. And one day on his way to work, she accompanied him through the path, right to the tree. She took a bite of the tree's fruit.
Cristina: What's gonna happen?
Jack: And was suddenly filled with an immense rush of knowledge unknown to those in the Overworld.
Cristina: What? It was just there. It was just there. Whoa. Why was it just there? And did he end up doing the same?
Jack: There was no mention of that. She took a bite of the fruit in the Shadow Realm. She just found a tree. Well, he found the tree in the Shadow Realm. Brought his sister. She bit a fruit in the Shadow Realm. And then. Just knowledge.
Cristina: Whoa. So that's just a normal tree. There's nothing special about that tree.
Jack: It was just a tree.
Cristina: I mean, over there, like, it's very special to us, but, like, it's just a tree over there. There was nothing protecting it. There was no nada. It was just. She just picked the fruit from it.
Jack: Now going backwards gets way weirder than us moving forward and finding connections, because the more back we go, the more dots that are just casually mentioned together.
Cristina: Okay, but is that the end of her story?
Jack: No.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Ganzir is an underworld palace ruled by the queen Ereshkigal and her family. They were chosen as the rulers of the region by the leader of the Shadow Realm, Sizen.
Cristina: I don't understand.
Jack: Sizen is exactly the same name that the Mayans used to describe the member of the Earth Gods that came from the Shadow Realm claiming to be the leader of the Shadow Realm. These are the f****** Sumerians, Persians way the h*** over there claiming. Oh, no, the leader's the same guy.
Cristina: Okay, but he chose one of the.
Jack: Just somebody else in the Shadow Realm to watch over this palace, this region. Okay, the weird part here is that they used the same name to describe the guy.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Like how again, you guys are divided by a f****** ocean, like, way long ago. How the h*** were you guys communicating? They're not even Persians yet. Mayans haven't happened yet.
Jack: How the f*** is this so on point?
Cristina: But the people know about this story?
Jack: I mean, yes, that's how we found out about it. Okay, through hieroglyphs and old texts. So, yes, they must have. Now, Geshtina, a botanist of the Genseer People. The Genseer palace is the one that's being ruled by the family chosen by SZM and Geshtinana.
Cristina: These are our Shadow People?
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Geshtinana is a botanist of the Gandir People. Interesting. To a degree. A botanist in the Shadow Realm. Interesting. Whatever though. Until the next line here. Her younger sister, Ixchel. Is that name Platonic prodigy? Yes. She was also a member of the Earth Gods.
Cristina: She's the wife of that guy?
Jack: Yes. Yes, she is.
Cristina: What? These are the same names?
Jack: These are the same exact names. How?
Cristina: How?
Jack: Yep. Okay, but then when I just showed you the structures, like how.
Cristina: Yeah, that wasn't like Persia. Like, if we go to the time you're talking about, is there still stuff, art and etc from that time?
Jack: No, these writings predate those structures.
Cristina: Okay, because what did their art look like? Were they showing the same stories too?
Jack: I don't know. I think a lot of the events happen following this. Keep in mind that the events that we talk about on average, are after these people have already united with the other ones, the Earth Gods. Is these people after they've met the other people? Okay, right now we're talking about these people before they met the other people. We're talking about Ixchell and Susan before they met Izamna. You know, before Idzamna met Ra.
Cristina: Ridiculous.
Jack: Okay, weird. But her younger sister, this Shadow Realm botanist, had a younger sister prodigy called Ixcham, who we know later is the wife of Vidzamba. Okay, now you wanted to know again about Shemesh's sister, so let's give you some more details about Shemesh's sister. The judge who wandered through the Shadow Realm. Who the f*** knows how he came in to know the younger sister of Shemesh and the first Overworlder to consume what they referred to as a fruit of knowledge.
Cristina: Of course they do. Of course. Okay.
Jack: Travels to the Shadow Realm with frequency. After familiarizing herself with it, she starts just kind of going on without them. Like it, I've already been here. I know how to get here. Well, now it's unclear how the h*** they're getting here. That part is not elaborated. I looked. I was trying to find out how the h*** how Are you just wandering into the Shadow Room? There must have been some gates somewhere that they've stumbled upon. They're probably wandering to the top of a mountain and popping up somewhere else. Yes, that's my theory. They all are also Persians, which tells me you're probably going to Mount. Probably just going to Mount Kaf. It's.
Cristina: That's probably where you're taking to it at all.
Jack: They don't hint to it at all. But also my cough is in the middle of a body of water. You taking a boat here every day? How are you getting to the mountain? It can't be. There has to be another way. There has to be another way. I don't know how, but maybe there.
Cristina: Was a path to the mountain that was built on the water and we just haven't found that story.
Jack: Could be 100%. Who knows? Now Inanna befriends Gannanana and Ixchel.
Cristina: I can't remember these names.
Jack: The wife of Itzamna.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: When she's just a little girl.
Cristina: It befriends this other person. Sister.
Jack: The judge's sister.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Who keeps entering. She seems to be passing through the palace. The palace must be nearby. The one that sizen. This God of Death from the Shadow Realm. The one that he appointed this family to. And these are the botanists from that palace. And Inanna meets these people and befriends them.
Cristina: Weird.
Jack: And they bond over the knowledge of their respective realms. Ixchell, consumed with curiosity, decides to alternate every six months with Inanna. And they would swap places. I'll spend six months over there and then back over here. And when I'm over here, you're over there. When you're over there, I'm over here. I'll just keep swapping places every six months.
Cristina: I wonder why.
Jack: They just wanted. They were so curious about each other's worlds.
Cristina: Yeah, okay.
Jack: But after only a single trip, they decided to swap places permanently.
Cristina: Whaaaat? Whaaat?
Jack: They didn't even do the six month thing?
Cristina: No. Wow. They're just like, nope, I'm in love now.
Jack: Yep. Inanna remains in Ganzir palace for the remainder of her life. And Ixshl remains in the Overworld for the remainder of her life.
Cristina: We don't really know what's the end.
Jack: Of her story of Inanna. Have no idea.
Cristina: Or I guess either of their stories.
Jack: Ixchil's story is to be part of the Mayan group and the Earth gods.
Cristina: Yeah, but like what happens to them? You don't know?
Jack: She marries itzamna she develops data storing technology. We know a lot of her life based on.
Cristina: We don't know what their conclusion.
Jack: No. As far as we know so far, no. And we have no idea what happens to Inanna because finding out what happens in the Shadow Realm without people coming back and telling us seems to be impossible. Yeah, seems to be impossible as of now. Now, Nettie, following the wandering of Shamash into the underworld, Sizen, the God of death, the ruler of the Shadow Realm, instructed Nettie to protect the portal.
Cristina: So there's a portal, of course, in.
Jack: And out of the Shadow Realm. He was shortly thereafter titled the gatekeeper of the Shadow Realm.
Cristina: So. But then this makes it seem like there's only one way in and out.
Jack: It was just that way that they were getting through.
Cristina: Okay. The humans.
Jack: Yeah. There was a way that somebody that they found and people were getting through it.
Cristina: Yes. And he was like, you're gonna protect this portal? Because so far, maybe there's just one.
Jack: There's probably many portals, but nobody seems to know how to go through them. Yeah, except this one. That's somehow casual.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Bellet Sari stationed with Nadi at this gateway to the Shadow Realm. She was in charge of recording, logging and reporting on any and all beings to come through the gates. With exception for Inanna and Shamesh, who had free passes.
Cristina: Cool.
Jack: Now a couple of more details about Sizen that we are quite familiar with to some degree. Sizen is the leader of all the Djinn in the Shadow Realm. We know that he's considered the highest being there. He is a God of sorts, a demonic godlike creature, even according to the Djinn. So the jinn are the human of the Shadow Realm. And they consider Susan some Unjinn, like other creature, some demonic powerful entity.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Out of everybody we have talked about unto this day, we can honestly break everyone down into being just another person. Either somebody who's consumed the fruit, somebody who has drunk blood, somebody who has done something weird to get abilities, or somebody who's using science to be there. With the exception for Mab that we have no explanation for. Assuming they are also just some sort of a scientist at a really high caliber in the Kardashev scale. And sizz it, they might be the.
Cristina: Same or similar things.
Jack: They might be similar things. It still seems that based on the idea of what Mab is, she might have created the Shadow Realm. Which means Szan must be below her. Unless he's not originally from there and he also comes from where she comes from. There's no way to know yeah.
Cristina: There's no way to know. That's complicated. But she's supposed to have made the Shadow Realm.
Jack: She made the Shadow Realm and Earthrealm and all the creatures within the Alphane.
Cristina: Okay. Man, that's a lot of work. Okay.
Jack: Who knows? It could have been instant. It could have been like the Hedron Collider. We don't really do much work. We turn it on, slam two atoms into each other. It took a fraction of a second. Done. We made an entire universe inside there. Like she could be that just running the computer.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It's just fascinating. There's a creature who is not like the other Jinn. Like, they are really considering him something different. Something elevated, something escalated. Inanna is just a chick. Shemesh is just a guy.
Cristina: But they don't use the word God, do they? To describe him.
Jack: The Djinn allegedly call Sizen a demonic godlike creature.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So he's something so overpowered in their eyes, they're not even considering him a creature like the rest of what they're used to within their world. He is somehow unrelated to everything else they see in the Shadow Realm. That's just normal to them.
Cristina: Okay. Some demon, God, creature thing.
Jack: Okay. Some whole other thing. Everybody else we have broken down all the way until we know that they are a scientist. A person who acquired something. Something that makes them seem godly to people. Yeah, but Mabin, Susan are exceptions to that rule.
Cristina: I wonder if they're similar to each other. We don't know enough.
Jack: We don't know enough. I know at least the Shadow Realm itself is a product of man. But we don't know if Susan is. Was he made from within the Shadow realm or did he go to the Shadow Realm?
Cristina: Yeah, or she made him to watch over it like she did so many other creatures of.
Jack: Yes. Is he still made by her but not from the Shadow realm?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Fascinating. And if he isn't made by her, why is he in the Shadow realm? Because it would mean he is like her. But then would that mean the Mayans are more overpowered than the Egyptians? And maybe even the sea people?
Cristina: Why?
Jack: Then again, the sea people are godly just through science.
Cristina: Yes, they win. I mean, they're the ones sharing everything with everyone.
Jack: Yeah. They have escalated to a point so far that Mab is shook that she is taken aback by the scale and power of these guys. Her own means to cap off power did not work.
Cristina: And probably the shadow people feel the same way about them. We don't know about the sea people. Yeah, yeah.
Jack: It's Completely possible. We only know of their ventures through the Overworld, but God d***, bro. It really seems like at this point, if Sizen, this godlike creature, joins the Earth people and still ends up relying on advances provided by the sea people, like, wow, what does that mean?
Cristina: What does that mean?
Jack: How high up on the Kardashev scale? Because, okay, we just got to think about the ancient Egyptians and the fact that if the great Void is in fact them, that's stars among stars among stars among stars or galaxies, depending. I'm not even sure.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: If it's entire galaxies, like, how far up the Kardashian scale are they? They're trapping entire galaxies within.
Cristina: And if they are doing that, they only got that way because of the sea people. Like, they're just sea people up there.
Jack: Yeah, the sea people are so beyond that. Most of space is just a plaything to them. They just happen to home base here.
Cristina: We're just so good at hiding everything.
Jack: Yeah. It's absurd, right? So unaware of when he came to exist, but powerful enough for most Shadow Realm creatures to fear and respect him. The Djinn consideration a God. Now, a story I found from Susan, as provided by the Sumerians, aka the Persians.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: 2 million years bc this is a story by the Sumerians 2 million. 2 million years ago.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: I'm not saying the Sumerians were around 2 million years ago, but the Sumerians are claiming the story happened 2 million years ago.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: A man from the Overworld. I don't know how informed you are on things, but a man from the Overworld named El ventures into the Shadow Realm. Sizen did not like this at first, but spared the man. Upon multiple visits, El and Sizen befriended one another. Szin tells El of the Forest of Shadows.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: A Shadow Realm forest inhabited by many powerful Shadow Realm creatures. A place most Djinn avoid. And those who don't, rarely return with.
Cristina: Magical fruits in them.
Jack: Curious of this place. L visits the forest alongside citizen. Now, things you should know that make this very, very, very interesting. As we know, Jesus is a Persian, particularly from the Persian Gulf oasis, AKA a sea person. He claims to be the son of Jehovah. Proven wrong. But Jehovah is also a sea person. Yes, a sea person, particularly high in caliber. Probably the leader of the sea people. Seems to be that in all of these instances, the most educated, most informed individual, kind of like ancient cultures used to work, is the leader. And based on all information we have, Jehovah is the top of the food chain, including of the. When it Comes to the garden and the fruits and just everything. Just everything. Adam and Eve. All of the above, yes. If we look at Jewish text, the order is starting all the way Christianity and moving our way back. Jesus, Jehovah, Yahweh, Chaim. Then El, oftentimes considered Elfrim is. They're both one. If you go far back enough. The gist of gods in Abrahamic religions is a man named El.
Cristina: What time? I do remember that name.
Jack: And the Sumerians claim a man named El befriended a God named Susan in the Shadow Realm two million years ago.
Cristina: The most ancient sea people. I mean, we know they were so far back, like, so impossibly far back.
Jack: 2.5 million years ago.
Cristina: 2.5 million. Okay, this makes sense.
Jack: This is fitting perfectly into the timeline.
Cristina: Oh, was Alhaim the two names like the wife and husband or something?
Jack: So there's a million variants of this. Alheim is two brothers, Elheim is one individual. Alheim is husband, wife.
Cristina: Oh, okay, okay. But so far, yeah, we at least.
Jack: Known when it's broken up into two individuals, El comes first, time comes second. Oftentimes it's considered one.
Cristina: Alheim is El by himself ever in these stories?
Jack: Yes. You'll see L by himself. You'll never see Heim alone.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Chaim is always part of L. L is not always part of him. Okay, so El, Chaim or El, but never just Chaim.
Cristina: Okay, so we don't know if Chaim is real or not.
Jack: No, it's possibly that based on the elusiveness of this, one of two things is going on. Chaim is literally just another name for L or part of his name. And his nickname is L. Or Heim is the actual first shadow individual to encounter, and that's why he's more elusive than El is. So whatever. Jehovah of Dark, if we follow that train all the way up, we land at Heim, presumably. Okay, but there's no way to prove that. That's just a theory. As to the elusiveness of the second part of the name, it's more likely that it's just Elkhrame.
Cristina: It'll be interesting if that. That part of the name pops up somewhere. But. Okay, yeah. Whoa.
Jack: Yeah, yeah. Whoa. In fact, that was a really interesting thing to come across.
Cristina: The story they have.
Jack: That's a story they have.
Cristina: That doesn't make sense. Or it does make sense. It's crazy.
Jack: Well, what's interesting is that means 2 million years ago. So if we follow the timeline 2.5 million years ago, we have these people making tools Primitive tools. Which means 5 million years go by. I mean, 500,000 years go by. That's enough time. That's more time than when we began to. Now, we've only been around 100,000 years. They would have 400,000 more years than we would. We've only been around 100,000 years. They would have 400,000 more years Than we would. From the point that they made their first tools to the moment the L meets sizzle. That's how long ago this would have been the first. This is, as of now, the first encounter between an Overworlder and a Shadow Realm individual.
Cristina: Wait, in this story, though, he takes him to the garden. Is that the end of that story?
Jack: No, garden. To a forest.
Cristina: To the forest. Okay. That was the end of that story, though.
Jack: Like the Forest of Shadows?
Cristina: Yes. No fruits involved? No. He ate something in that trip.
Jack: As far as we know now.
Cristina: Okay. I feel like that's where that would lead.
Jack: Okay, well, let's then investigate the Forest of Shadows.
Cristina: Oh, you have information on the forest. Oh, my gosh.
Jack: Okay, so part of the forest through which she mesh would shortcut to work and where the tree Inanna grabbed a fruit from was located. So the same forest that El visited. As we know, a hundred. I mean, a thousand B.C. an overworld man appears as recorded by Belit Sari, the one that Susan put alongside Nettie to record anybody who came through. This is known because we have Shemesh, who is the judge for the Djinn as well. So we have, interestingly, a man working in both realms who can report on anything that has to do with the people he's working with. Okay, so, thousand BC an overworld man appears as recorded by Bellat City and claims to. And claims to have a note discussing the location and the contents of the forest. He asks permission of passage and it is granted. Actually, no, I said a thousand. This is 10,000 BC.
Cristina: 10,000.
Jack: 10,000 BC. So this is 10,000 years before Christ.
Cristina: He has a letter.
Jack: Note. He has a note. He's. He made a note?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Somebody gave him or something or he found it or whatever that says where the forest is and what is in the Forest of Shadows. Man is unnamed.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Just some guy.
Cristina: But they just let him through.
Jack: Yeah, he's like, look, I got. So he had some form of clearance, some awareness. Somebody was like, oh, yeah, green light, this guy.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Which is weird already.
Cristina: That is weird.
Jack: You got a Gatekeeper and you got a person recording everything so you can know what the h*** is happening. And this dude, you've never seen 10,000 years before. Christ rolls up and he's like, look, I got a note. And it says that there's a forest here. These things in the forest.
Cristina: Weird.
Jack: And then he's just granted passage.
Cristina: That is so weird.
Jack: Very weird. The man is reported to have picked one of every fruit he saw before leaving the forest.
Cristina: They were just cool with that. Whoa. He's a sea person. I don't know.
Jack: I think that was Jehovah.
Cristina: Still a sea person, but still a sea person.
Jack: I think that was Jehovah. I think Jehovah rolled up. He had. He what note? How? Who? Where'd you get it? Where the h*** did this come from? You were just looking through your, like, great grandfather's whatever the h***, and you found the thing and you're like, oh, f***.
Cristina: Oh. Gave him that now. Which I guess would be his great.
Jack: Grandfather or whatever either gave it to him, or he found it looking through old something something. Somehow he stumbled upon this. And he knew exactly where to go and exactly what to look for. Weird. So, story of the Tree of Knowledge. There is a story inscribed on an ancient Iranian temple. It suggests that El investigated a tree within the Forest of Shadows. He concluded that the trees within the forest were twisted and contorted, dry and odd, although alive and fruitful, because they were the roots to trees located somewhere in the Overworld.
Cristina: So it's like the Upside Down. He's telling us. Oh, my gosh. No. What? The Shadow Realm was the Upside down world.
Jack: What we already knew. It was a weird, warped version, but that's even weirder.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh.
Jack: He hypothesized that the fruits of these trees would allow creatures of the Shadow Realm passage into Earthrealm, and that fruits from the branches in the earthrealm would allow earthrealm creatures passage into the Shadow Realm.
Cristina: That would explain the judge. He probably had one of those fruits to find the path.
Jack: He had an overworld fruit he had no idea of and found easy passage into the Shadow realm. Then his sister must have eaten the same thing too, to just be able to casually go.
Cristina: He would know about that. Oh, man. Oh, this is out, right? Telling the story. He man. So then, yeah, he had to have told the sea people about the forest, and that's why that guy went into there to get all those fruits.
Jack: If he's even around. Again, he had a note. Nothing says anybody told him. He just.
Cristina: No, but he probably wrote that note.
Jack: Or Jehovah gathered information, and that's too random how? If your great grandfather already collected the information.
Cristina: Exactly.
Jack: So he wrote it, give you the information? No, he didn't have to.
Cristina: But he did write it down.
Jack: He didn't have to write it down either. He could have just told stories throughout time. And this guy just. Or maybe he was a researcher himself again, he wanted to go investigate with Susan, his friends, like, oh, let's go look. I'm curious. Although it never said that l was a scientist or anything, it was just a guy that led to the creation of this symbol that shows up in.
Cristina: Many cultures, which is a fruit of knowledge, Shadow realm.
Jack: No, it's not a fruit of knowledge. It's a tree that exists in both the Overworld and underworld, where the roots are in the underworld and the branches are in the Overworld.
Cristina: Yes, yes, yes.
Jack: That's everywhere that exists throughout cultures.
Cristina: Throughout cultures.
Jack: Many cultures have the same imagery in many different ways.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Usually depicting some sort of infinity symbol equivalent where there are two equal sides standing up, a bubble on top, a bubble on the bottom, branches on top, branches at the bottom, hourglass shape or something with a line down the middle depicting equality on both ends. Even the yin yang symbol is sort of discussing the concepts that within the dark there is part of the light, and within the light there is part of the dark.
Cristina: See? See? Ooh, that's pretty cool. So that's just a representation, though, of the shadow realm and how connected we are to them.
Jack: Yes. This is how tight they get. Now, notice there is no mention of Elfame in this image.
Cristina: No, because we don't know anything about it.
Jack: No, we don't know. Crap.
Cristina: Even if it was connected this way, we wouldn't know how.
Jack: And it would be in some other way we're not understanding. It could be right in front of us and we're not getting it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: This could be. This image could be already informed and we still don't understand how because we don't have the perspective to notice.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: How this image is discussing the Elfham.
Cristina: Yeah, yeah.
Jack: We have no point of reference.
Cristina: It's true. What? It could be right there in our face and we have no idea.
Jack: If we think the shadow people are elusive and all we're getting is shreds from people who've either been there or left there. How much more elusive is Elfame? And that being said, Susan, the highest being within the Shadow Realm. Mab, the highest being within Elfhame. Jehovah isn't the highest being in the Overworld. He's not. He's just another guy.
Cristina: Yeah, because there's no highest being there.
Jack: Might be. And it's not L either, because L is just some other guy.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Now, as far as we know, Susan gave L the respect he deserved. That's weird. He didn't have to do that. But he also did that with random humans.
Cristina: You think there's someone that rules this earth sign that's equal to come back.
Jack: To the name that we have no information on. Heim. What the h*** is Heym if it's not part of L? Why can we come across L, but we don't come across Heim by itself. We come across Alchem. Interesting. I think there might be something there. Bare minimum. Okay, and if we have a serpent provided to Jehovah, how far back are there serpents? Susan didn't have a serpent. But he had. He was the big, big bad leader. But it doesn't seem he was advancing society. In fact, when he came to the Overworld, he was underneath Izama. He was just another guy on the team. Even if he's godly in scale, by comparison, he was just a follower.
Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what's happening. I don't know the scale of anything. None of it makes sense unless you actually know. None of us know.
Jack: I don't know. I don't know. So shreds, little bits and pieces. I'm coming across. We know now where Ixshell came from. And weirdly enough, there are stories in Persia, the Sumerians, discussing this Mayan shadow creature. We have Szm being discussed in Persia by the Sumerians, this Trin, Mayan shadow creature. Oh, we have Inanna.
Cristina: Inanna being discussed.
Jack: Sumerian individual, a Persian meeting Ixchel, the Mayan. We already had mention of Ra and Atum communicating with Itzamna. And we know that based on both their testimonies that they have come across the Sea People. And they both claim to have been provided architecture and scientific advancements by the Sea People. And then we look at their structures and we look at their data, and there we look at their stories and we look at their records and their knowledge and their science. And it's the same. Mm divided by oceans. Where anyone else could not have come across each other. These two groups of people seem to be so interconnected, and they both claim the same f****** mountain, Kaath, that's tied even more than Athos.
Cristina: There's nothing we can learn about Kaath. Nothing more.
Jack: Nothing more. Kaath just doesn't even exist as far as we know.
Cristina: Is there any stories about mountains that just reappear and disappear or something. Anywhere interesting.
Jack: Anything. All we're doing is find cough. This is going to aim at Kaf.
Cristina: Yeah, but that would still be really interesting if other places see it.
Jack: Interesting. I see where you're coming from. Well, we know that the Indians knew of it and it was part of their tradition to make a trek there. And as far as H***.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Indians would go all the way from India all the way to Kaf.
Cristina: That's very strange.
Jack: But they have no mention of sea people.
Cristina: No.
Jack: So you moved a mountain, but there's no proof they entered.
Cristina: I want to know more about that six headed snake creature or whatever.
Jack: Seven.
Cristina: Seven. Yeah.
Jack: That's an interesting point though. Although there's zero mention of the sea people. The Indians have the seven dots and the seven headed creature snake thing. And that is quite interesting because what is it that they are in fact connected with? If India has these seven headed things and India has the seven dots, what does that mean? What does it mean if they never once, as far as I know, mentioned the sea people? This has nothing to do with the sea people then.
Cristina: No.
Jack: At least we can remove that. The fact that one of them is snakes is interesting. Maybe these dots are representative of Oros or.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Mab or something in Elfame.
Cristina: Even in Russia.
Jack: That's interesting too. All of the. When it comes to the dots, they are all over the hands of people. Like they're holding it up like it's something glorious, something powerful, something marvelous, something above them, something godly. Yeah, but when it's structural, it's demonic and contorted and twisted and evil looking. So as a being, the seven represents something dark. But as the dots, it's God. It's above there. So there must be some godlike thing.
Cristina: His demon and God, they use it interchangeably anyway. Yes, things. Most ancient people, it's like it's good and it's bad and it's evil, but it's great. Like it's not really any. It's whatever it wants to be and we're just labeling it whatever.
Jack: So interesting point here though. Other than the fact that for the. For the Mayans it was a snake. Other than that weird detail. What stops. So in Mesopotamia, India and Egypt, they all consider this some godlike thing. But we know that none of their major leaders were represented like this. What if. And again, the Indians never once mentioned the sea people. What if this is an actual representation of what we were just discussing and it somehow. The God of the overworld of Earthrealm. What if this is the. What if this is what we should be focusing on to find whatever the h*** that is. Sizend is the highest being, the highest power godly by the claims of the Djinn themselves.
Cristina: How do we know that's not Susan?
Jack: Interesting. You think Susan might be just in Oros, not an Oros. The snake part is what throws me off here.
Cristina: Yes, it does. I don't know. That's true.
Jack: But also the Jin do. But they don't just say. If it was just a Naga, then it would have been obvious to the Djinn. Because there are other Naga.
Cristina: But he's so different.
Jack: He's so different. He couldn't be.
Cristina: He can't be.
Jack: It must be something else. There is something else happening here.
Cristina: Gotta do more research.
Jack: I don't know.
Cristina: It could totally be him. But probably not. Probably not.
Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I know. Seven is really important. It's the most important. Seven is the most important. That's what we're looking at. It's the most important. Height of importance is seven.
Cristina: Yes. Seven heads.
Jack: Seven heads or seven dots. So when there's seven dots, doesn't matter how far apart we are. One is in the middle, three on top, three on the bottom. Alternatively, this could be a visualization of the connection to the shadow realm. The top, the thin center, the bottom.
Cristina: And so it has nothing. It doesn't represent that creature. But that creature has to be coming from the shadow worm. I don't know.
Jack: In the case of the creature. In the case of this creature, the Mayan version and the Indian version don't have a center point, while the Russian version does. There's a center point and then three to either side. That doesn't seem to be the case with the Indian visualization of a seven headed thing. And that doesn't seem to be the case with the Mayan representation of a seven headed snake. Being. This is more like Medusa or something. Which is weird because again, that's a Greek Naga. How the h*** are the Mayans so connected to everything they also know about that?
Cristina: I don't know. But what if this is Medusa? Like, well, how would we know it's not?
Jack: How would we know it's not? Well, over here it looks like apes. Seven headed ape creature.
Cristina: It's too hard for me to really see, I guess. I don't know. You see apes in that.
Jack: But then when we look at the dog.
Cristina: No idea. I don't know.
Jack: It's complicated. This is. This is worth picking apart.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Because there's something here. Although when we look at Russia, it looks like they are showing us a visual of the shadow realm. Any creature in the shadow realm.
Cristina: I wanna know their story.
Jack: Yeah, we've never come across the Russians. The first mention of Russia is in this image.
Cristina: I'm sure Russia has a lot of horror stories. We gotta look that up.
Jack: Yep, that's what I got. This is me trying to zero in.
Cristina: We are definitely zeroing in on something. I just don't know what it did.
Jack: We're always closer than we were, but we are always left with a crap ton more questions than we began with.
Cristina: Yes, I have no idea what's going on.
Jack: That's where we are. That's where we are.
Cristina: But it's connected somehow.
Jack: Everything seems connected somehow. Everything seems connected somehow. And we have the Persians discussing this dude named El showing up.
Cristina: And that is amazing.
Jack: That's beautiful. That tells us a lot.
Cristina: Who knows where else he shows up?
Jack: Yeah, 100%. That's crazy. He is definitely a sea people. Sea people. Sea person.
Cristina: Ancient sea person.
Jack: Nation. Sea person. The great, great, great something of Jehovah.
Cristina: Yeah. That's so cool.
Jack: Okay, anyways, that's what we got. That's what I got. That's as far as we've gotten thus far. And hopefully we can come up with some other details and find some other things. But as of now, maybe next week we'll come out and put something else. But the similarities are striking and the stories are tying up more, more and more. And now, with the help of L and his conclusions, we have a tighter connection between the Shadow Realm and the Overworld Earth Realm. They're one. So now. Which is why it's easier to get from one to the other than it is to even conceive of what the h*** Elfame is.
Cristina: Yep. Which has to somehow be connected somehow.
Jack: It has to be tied in. It has to be. Everything is tied in somehow. Elfame is tied in. It has to be. You're totally right. It has to be. There's no exception to this. We just don't know how. And once we see it, we won't be able to unsee it. But until we see it, we have no idea what the we're looking at.
Cristina: Yep. But it's there.
Jack: It's there.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Anyways, if you guys have any input, please message us. Hit us up on our socials at just convopod on Tick Tock, Facebook X or Instagram.
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Jack: Yes. And word of mouth. Be sure to tell people who might have some input, insight or any kind of anything to add. If you know anything about the seven headed creatures or the seven points that in hieroglyphs and sculptures are above the most powerful beings civilizations, please tell us.
Cristina: What we don't know. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.
Jack: Bye.
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