Rambling 293: Atlantis Migration
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What can the migration path of the Elysians tell us? What was the true goal in heading to Atlantis? Did they go straight there first? The duo unpack the mass evacuation of the Persian Gulf Oasis and the Migration of the Elysians on their way to the Atlantic Ocean.
+Episode Details
- Elysians
- Atlantis
- Bimini Road
- Persian Gulf Oasis
- Greater Bahamas Landmass
- 20k Years Ago Sea Level
- Year 1
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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.
Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.
Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And so last week we were talking about the city of Dwarka, which was a hyper advanced, ancient civilization with actually an abundance of proof, text and a bunch of s*** that they most likely were in fact, what they were saying.
Cristina: Some weird futuristic place in India, off.
Jack: The coast of India. But they sank their city, most likely intentionally, to avoid some bigger, greater boogeyman.
Cristina: What could that be? That's crazy. That's such a crazy thing.
Jack: And this happened long before Jesus Christ. So it wasn't the same instance. No, it was longer ago. It was further back in time.
Cristina: So what were they fearing? What could be bigger about it? What could that be?
Jack: Yeah, it could have been anything. Right? Like we have no reference point for things from longer ago.
Cristina: No, but can it have been another civilization? They sounded like the most advanced.
Jack: Yeah, they sounded like they were at least kind of touching the. What we know the Aletians to be.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Well, on the flip side, they did have like, more primitive technology when we compared to certain things. When we're talking about them gathering solar energy and the Egyptians building entire Dyson spheres, like those are two massively different stages of power. We're talking that in that case, the people of Dwarka were stage two on the Kardashev scale. Maybe not even. No, not even. Because they're not taking all of the power of the star.
Cristina: No, but they're taking power from the star.
Jack: So their civilization one getting to Civilization two, while the Egyptians were already Civilization two leaning into Civilization three. Because the entire Dark Void, the Great Void, is made because of a crap ton of Dyson spheres. That's entire stars captured in this gap, maybe even galaxies, which would then push them into the third, leading to fourth. And the Elysians are still stronger. So Dwarka isn't actually that. That.
Cristina: So are they afraid of the Elysians, the Egyptians?
Jack: All these groups would be more powerful than Dwarka. Now there are some things. Again, space time manipulation now brings us into a different stage. Yeah, we haven't heard mention of this from any of the others, but like, how the h*** they have instantaneous transportation using the pyramids and things like that. So they. Everybody's got their specialty, it looks like. And if these people can manipulate space and time, that's kind of op.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Yeah. Because space travel, maybe you can't construct some giant thing around the star, but clearing space becomes easier than it is for everybody else, minus the Egyptians, who could instantaneously get somewhere.
Cristina: Crazy.
Jack: Now, thinking about this, I wanted to know who these people were scared of. There were other civilizations to look at. I started going through them, and as I'm doing it, the pattern is the same. So it's not even worth looking at the civilizations per se, and they're less advanced anyways. So we already saw the most advanced of the ones we haven't looked at, and we still can't tell what it is that they were fearing to begin with. So looking at this and seeing that they were this level of advance so long ago.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: I just started combing back through the data, everything we have. What do we have? And started looking at everything again. What is this information trying to tell us now with this new perspective that there were civilizations this level of advanced prior to the Mayans even getting technology, prior to the Egyptians even getting this technology. We know that the Elysians existed with the first mentions of jehovah being roughly 12,000 years ago.
Cristina: And we knew there was a civilization around the world on the line.
Jack: Yes. That they were all advanced about 12,000 years ago.
Cristina: Yes. We have no idea whether now that they destroyed themselves, which we assume they all destroyed themselves, or that something actually got to them.
Jack: And it's funny, because India is on that old equator line. Okay, so Dwarka is in theory one of those locations which.
Cristina: Which destroyed itself. So did the others. What happened?
Jack: Did the other. Interesting point. Did the others do it to preserve their own safety? Were they all flourishing? interesting.
Cristina: Was Satan involved also, I guess is another question.
Jack: Lucifer.
Cristina: Lucifer, yeah.
Jack: Satan ain't a thing. Satan is religious. But in looking at these things, I started stumbling upon some things that I found kind of interesting. And I thought we would discuss them today in order to add some new perspective, because the perspective we had allowed me to look at this and then to consider things from a different light. So I want to talk about the Elysians and I want to talk about their migration pattern, because I think their migration pattern might be informative in a couple of degrees.
Cristina: Really. What?
Jack: So as far as we know, based on our understanding of the events, based on texts provided by the Mayans, from the Greek, from the Egyptians, and some random obscured sort of settlements here and there, we have understanding that the Elysians came from the Persian Gulf oasis. And when the tragedy happened, whatever it was that forced them to run away from their home. They broke up into three groups. One went north, we're assuming to the Norse area.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: We know this because Mananan hungs out up there. So they would have already either gone to establish those things or had things up there already they could have safely gone to. One is to where is known today as Gaza. In the Palestine. In Palestine. Which was previously known as Philistines. And we know this because the genetic marker that only exists around the Persian Gulf oasis is the exact genetic marker that exists in that area.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Right. We're going to talk about neither one of those two though. Talk about the obvious one that most people know about, which is the ones that went to the Atlantic Ocean. Right.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Because that's where the story begins for who knows about these people? Most people only know about them through this location. So do you remember what the basic idea is? Where'd they go? Everybody knows the answer.
Cristina: Bermuda Triangle.
Jack: And what's there.
Cristina: And then their water city known as. Yes. Okay.
Jack: Okay. That's the common knowledge about what happened. The third group goes west, goes to the Atlantic Ocean. Goes to where the Bermuda Triangle is and dives down into what is known as Atlantis.
Cristina: Yes. And they might have a storm machine that's making that craziness that's happening above it.
Jack: Yes. Or maybe not a storm machine. But we've also determined that it is possible that there are different kinds of life we struggle to identify. And that there are clouds, like creatures.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Or that clouds themselves have a type of sentience that they have learned how to communicate with. And so, okay, there's that mess going on. Right. But let's focus on the water and then the migration pattern.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: They hit the ocean and go all the way to where they're going and dive down. How the h*** did they do this? Did they have the technology to float on the water while they built the city? Was the city being built for a long time and then they just managed to leave? Right. When the thing happened is like whether it's complete or not, the structures that are there will finish while down there. Like how? How.
Cristina: How are there. There should be theories on how. Is that what you're gonna talk about? Because I really don't know.
Jack: It's complicated. Right? I really don't know because that's weird. How did. How, How, How, How. How. So those are the three groups. Right? Norway region. The Philistines, now known as Palestine. Specifically the Gaza region. And then the Atlantic Ocean. Simple. Now, these are supported through various sources of records and hieroglyphs. In several different countries. From several different countries as well as traces of a nomadic race starting at the Persian Gulf oasis and following their remnants straight through. One disappears into the Atlantic Ocean, one lands specifically Gaza and one goes towards the north and kind of trails off eventually. So we can prove the hieroglyphs and the records aren't wrong because we can find traces of individuals that kind of fit the suit, but they go to the Atlantic Ocean in the Bermuda Triangle specifically. And it gets weird.
Cristina: That's already weird.
Jack: That's already weird. So what can we see in that area? Do you remember what we know for a fact that we can look at in that area that provided proof of like. Oh yeah, definitely down there.
Cristina: I remember line statues, but I don't know if that related to that.
Jack: Yes, it's the Bimini road and the underwater areas surrounding it.
Cristina: Okay, right.
Jack: So the Bimini road is a block like pattern road going into the water and for miles surrounding it you find statues and pyramids and reared structures all over the place. In the water, in the water.
Cristina: Crazy.
Jack: Everything looks worn and wasted. And the road itself is isolated by itself going far in the distance. You got to find these other things in the water. It's not like you see the road and oh, there's a statue right next to it. It's underneath this giant area. And that brings up some interesting questions. Right? If they went to the Atlantic Ocean, what was this road for? If they went underwater, who was this road for? Why would you want an obvious path leading down there?
Cristina: Huh?
Jack: I was thinking about that. I was thinking about how stupid it would be if you're trying to hide the leave remnants of where you went.
Cristina: It would make sense if it wasn't always underwater.
Jack: If it would make sense if it wasn't always underwater. But then what's the story of Atlantis? What is the point? And like I don't understand. If it wasn't always underwater, would they not underwater? So where are they now? And why don't the islands surrounding that have any of the same structures going on? Okay, interesting, right? Questions just pop up, things we didn't think about before. So I have some theories we can discuss and some evidence to support some of these theories. There are four possibilities we're going to go with scientifically the most likely. If we were looking at any other civilization without considering hyper advanced technology, if we were looking at any other modern day civilization, how would we explain the same thing? But first let's talk about where Bimini is and what Bimini is. There is an island, the Bimini island, specifically northern and southern Bimini. And they are off the coast of Florida, close to the Bahamas.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And this general region right there by the Atlantic. Let me see if I can get you a nice little image here. And you're gonna see kind of the area right here.
Cristina: Do the islands themselves have anything I.
Jack: Just said they didn't.
Cristina: They didn't. Okay. So it's just things near it.
Jack: Just things near it. And we'll discuss any details on the islands in a bit. That's not the point yet. But here are the islands. You know, this is just kind of the region very close to Florida. Yeah, this is Florida. Very close. I'm gonna show you. This is the island right here. That's Miami. These are the literal Bimini Islands. That's how small we're talking. We can zoom out a little more. And you're gonna see right down there the Bimini Islands. Very small. Here's the Bahamas. Way larger.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Yeah, that's kind of what we're looking at. It's very small.
Cristina: Bunch of small, scattered islands.
Jack: Yes, a bunch of small scattered islands. And we know the path. The Bimini road is coming out of the northern Bimini island towards the north of the Atlantic Ocean. Right now, thinking about the most common possibility, we have to do some scientific research. I'm gonna give you the theory and then the explanation as to why it's likely. So initially, the idea would be that Bimini island and where Atlantis was were one place.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: And that we were looking at the. If you remember the difference between Legend of Zelda, Twilight Princess, I think it is, and then the Legend of Zelda Wind Waker, where the entire world of Hyrule has become island tops as the world got flooded and everybody had to migrate to the highest points.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It's possible those islands are.
Cristina: That they're just the tops of something.
Jack: Else, the tops of a larger landmass. Now, the island chain of Bimini and Atlantis would have had to be one seamless structure somehow. And it could have been a country or a continent of its own.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Now, this is supported because in a lot of different texts, it is described as a country or a continent just as often as it is described as a city. Some people describe it as a mega city, some people describe it as a country that's super advanced, and some people describe it as a continent that had an advanced civilization.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It's unclear what of them it is. We always lean on city because most of the descriptors used after the country, continent, or city kind of lean towards the city idea of skyscrapers. But can you imagine a super metropolis the size of a country where buildings don't end from here the way over there? Very dystopian future of, like, there's no nature. It's all trees, all the. I mean, it's all buildings all the time in every direction. It doesn't matter how many miles you drive. More buildings, more buildings, more buildings, more buildings indefinitely for the length of an entire country without a pause, without breaks in between.
Cristina: That's what it's supposed to be like.
Jack: No, that's just a way to explain what the text say.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: No way to certify what it's supposed to be like. There's a bunch of different explanations. That's why people land at city, because that's the only place you could think of that would have so many buildings and things. But if it's the size of a country or continent that was also unending from one side to the other, nothing but buildings, then you got to consider how large and advance this really was that be just so consumed by infrastructure.
Cristina: Okay. And it would have been all of that.
Jack: All of that.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Except we're assuming that the. You know, we always describe it as a city because of that. That is the point. We always talk about it as a city because of this. But if these are just the tops of the structure, then maybe it was larger than we thought.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And it just shrunk down so that the remnants are left by Bimini.
Cristina: Are there people in Bimini?
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And so if it was a country, what is known as Atlantis could have been the capital of the country.
Cristina: All right.
Jack: And that's why we heard about that mostly. It could have been the largest city in the country.
Cristina: I guess that. That could be, too. Yeah.
Jack: It could have been the most densely populated city in the country.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Or simply the most technologically advanced city in the country. We think of Seattle. That's not particularly densely populated, but it's kind of advanced compared to a lot of other things. We look at New York. That's not the capital, but it's a huge, you know, metropolis. So there's areas that aren't capitals and aren't the most densely packed, but they're definitely. They. We hear about them more. And when people think of the United States, they think, oh, New York, okay. Oh, Hollywood.
Cristina: But, like, the whole state or country, whatever, went underground, not just Atlantic, Atlantis. That's just one of the places that went down. Yes, but it's a bunch of.
Jack: It would have been a giant Landmass that existed.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: If it were a continent, then what is known as Atlantis today could have been the governing country of the continent. It could have been neutral territory in the country where most people can go without war. It could have been the most technologically advanced country on the continent.
Cristina: Okay. That spot big enough to say like, a continent could fit there?
Jack: Well, we're going to discuss that when we get that far.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It could have been the most dangerous country. And this also falls definitely in line with thinking about how people were describing them as the sea people and describing them as being terrorized by them. It being the most dangerous country lines up with us hearing about it more. The sea people from Atlantis, I guess they were being terrorized oceanside. Everybody.
Cristina: Yeah, I guess it just seems like they had one specific enemy. I don't know if everyone was afraid of them or they were all afraid.
Jack: Of how people were described by several people as pirates and terrorists.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: Only country of the Elysian people within the region. So if there was a continent there, maybe the Elysians only resided in Atlantis and not the entire continent.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And that's why we hear about Atlantis now, to explain these things, the civilization would have, by default, been absolutely large, or at least the structure would have been gigantic. The date we would have to put this in would be very different. Then this is where it becomes unlikely. So all that information makes it likely. And I'm about to explain how it's both likely and unlikely for our narrative. The water levels 20,000 years ago were 400ft lower. That is not 2,000 years ago. 2,000 years ago, it might have been a foot lower. 20,000 years ago, it was 400ft lower.
Cristina: Okay, now they have to be way older than we think. If it was the thing.
Jack: Yes. Now, I'm gonna show you again the image of Bimini. And as I scroll down, you're going to start seeing where the landmass would have been and how much it would have taken. Here we have Bimini. There's Miami.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Again, Bimini down there. The Bahamas. Miami.
Cristina: So tiny.
Jack: This would have been the landmass.
Cristina: Okay. Yeah. It's a little country.
Jack: All of that would have been over water. A further away. Look, all of that starting all the way at the coast of Florida and leading right over the Dominican Republic and encapsulating all those islands would have been over water. This is larger than some actual countries. Larger than Puerto Rico, larger than the Dominican Republic, larger than Cuba.
Cristina: Connected to Cuba and Dominican. No, no. It was his own thing. Okay.
Jack: There would have. It would have been way closer, but it would not have touched.
Cristina: Oh, didn't touch Florida either.
Jack: No, it would have been really close. You could have seen it from Florida.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Really far away. You would have seen it. Well, but you wouldn't have made contact.
Cristina: With Florida because it was its own island.
Jack: Yeah. There would be water between Florida at this point.
Cristina: It's a big island, though.
Jack: It's a big island. It's a pretty big island. And that kind of brings up a lot of interesting points. Right. So important details about this. The again, that's the water level. That's what it would look like with the water level 20,000 years ago. And it would connect the entire Bahamas region, all the islands towards the bottom, all the islands towards the top. The Bimini, that entire bubble would be one landmass. For perspective, the state of New York is 47,000 square miles. This island would be 48,000 square miles. North Carolina would be 49 is 49,000 square miles. Mississippi is 47. Pennsylvania is 46, and Alabama is 51. This is 48. Those are just states.
Cristina: Yes. So it's the size of a state. Well, American state, as we saw.
Jack: It's bigger than Cuba.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And so there are some countries that this is roughly in the ballpark of Greece is 50,000 square miles. North Korea is 46,000 square miles. That's 2,000 square miles smaller.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Liberia is 43,000 square miles. That's 5,000 square miles smaller. And Cuba is 42,000 square miles, which is 6,000 square miles smaller. It would have been the size of a little country.
Cristina: Yeah, it looks like it. Yeah.
Jack: Interesting little details.
Cristina: But we only know about one city.
Jack: But we only know about Atlantis. So again, it could have been, like I said, it could have been the capital of the country. It could have been the largest city in the country or the most densely populated one or the most technologically advanced city in the country. And if we're calling this a country that's similar to this is like New York.
Cristina: New York. So, like, it was the city. Is Atlantis the popular city, but the country is also known as Atlantis?
Jack: Could be the case. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe like the. The most important part of it was also named after it. Definitely could have been the case. But it's also possible that this entire landmass, because we don't see remnants of highly advanced technology on any of these islands, it's possible that the civilization of the Elysians was focused mainly in this one state or this one city within that country.
Cristina: And Then the rest was just wild.
Jack: The rest was just other people.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Just other people who weren't. Think about how Dwarka was built and how they had walls stopping the primitives from just coming in and going easily. And they wouldn't sell advanced tech, but they would allow markets for. You know, you could buy food, you could buy this, you could buy that.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But they wouldn't allow people to leave. So maybe this was the most advanced city and primitives could come through.
Cristina: But they all live like normal people.
Jack: They all live like normal people. Hence the knowledge of. All the Atlanteans were so advanced as compared to the rest of us. Their technology was so out there. Which definitely falls in line when we think about things like Eloi and how they were so advanced, trying to figure out humans. Except Eloi isn't mentioned. At this point, we stop hearing about Loi, and this is long before we get to Jehovah. This is actually in the pocket of one guy we can't seem to find anything about. Yahweh.
Cristina: Yeah. Oh, crap.
Jack: The guy we can find nothing about happens to fall in line with the timeline where this land mass would have existed, but no longer does.
Cristina: And you think he has something to do with.
Jack: Not something to do with it, but rather he vanished with it?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: You know, he didn't cause it. No, but this falls in line with. Well, he was kind of likely, by our estimates, around 20,000 to 40,000 years ago in that range. And this land mass would have existed around that time. This was the highest point. Okay, so this is how the most land, before the water starts coming back up to swallow it. It took 20,000 years to swallow it, but this was the most amount of land. Yeah, but before it, there would have still been land, just less of it over time, as the water level was higher.
Cristina: So. So weird. Like, they must have known that that was gonna happen and then protected themselves from that. Or did they just. Or is there no one there now? But there has to be someone there now.
Jack: There are people on the islands.
Cristina: Yeah. No, I mean, like, Atlantis is still.
Jack: Yes, for sure. But then Atlantis is somewhere beneath this mess. It's somewhere where this giant landmass would have been, according to this theory. And again, based on how migration patterns happen, if they settled the island and the island had, you know, people distributed all over the place, it's possible in this argument that the city was built and then they throw the dome that protects it from being swallowed by the water while everything else around them gets swallowed by the water.
Cristina: That's pretty harsh.
Jack: And then everybody. Why is that harsh?
Cristina: Because they're not protecting other people.
Jack: What is their obligation to anyone else?
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: And everybody moves to the highest points, slowly migrate. You got to understand, this is also happening over a long period of time. It's not like overnight the water level rose, they covered their city, and slowly the water came for them. And all people migrated over generations and generations migrated more to the higher points, to what is known today as these islands. And then they went extinct. However they went. And then the people who settled them later shut up. Okay, under this logic, they didn't need to show up, hover on the water and send tech down.
Cristina: No, they just built over time.
Jack: They built their city on land, and then the water level started rising and swallowed it. Pretty basic, pretty simple. Based on how migration patterns really work. That would explain the islands, people on the islands. That would explain structures underneath the water. That would explain a lot of this all in one shot. The difference is we don't have on any of these islands who would have been closest to the Alicians. We have no data other than the Bermini Road and the structures underneath the water. We have nothing on the islands themselves.
Cristina: Oh, yeah.
Jack: So arguments could be that knowledge was lost as the water levels rose and different generations passed over thousands and thousands of years. But this also doesn't line up with what happened 2,000 years ago. The argument here would be Atlantis existed that entire time. And when they left the Persian Gulf oasis, all they had to do was go to an existing metropolis city. Underwater.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Didn't have to build anything. It was there.
Cristina: They had. They must have used teleportation or something. I don't know, who knows?
Jack: But there is a migration pattern. But we also know that, like Cyprus is a migration point. There are light. Not migration point. They're teleportation points. Oh, I guess because Mary went from one to the other and they might.
Cristina: Have done the same.
Jack: Okay, Cyprus one, Athos was one, so on and so forth.
Cristina: The mountains.
Jack: The mountains.
Cristina: Weird. Using the mountains to go underwater.
Jack: So the migration was trying to get to the right mountain. And that's why when they hit the ocean going west just vanishes and they trail off. Because they did manage to reach where they were going, the mountain that would send them to Atlantis.
Cristina: Oh, snap. Yes.
Jack: And Atlantis built over there. Where that land mass used to be is underwater protected and has been protected for thousands of years. Underwater. That is theory number one.
Cristina: That's a great theory. That's the best theory. Or does it get Better.
Jack: There are other theories. You decide whether they're best or not.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Next would also require the 20,000 years ago period to have played out. Right. Same idea. And the water level starts rising over time and the Atlanteans don't exist. And the story we get from the Persian Gulf voices, those people must have gone to the tops of these islands or something. The argument here is they settled what is known is Atlanta as Atlantis first. That was the original location they went to. Atlantis was the place they landed. At first, this island was huge. They settled that area. But as the water levels began to rise over thousands of years, like natural civilizations, you know, the coast came up close, we built our houses up the hill. Over a couple of hundred years, the water reached again. We built our houses higher up the hill, so on and so forth. To repeat this pattern until now, when all we have is the islands and the underwater structures leading to them. From their natural migration from the lowest point of the island to the higher point that is now several islands.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Normal migration pattern. Absolutely. Logical migration pattern. There was a city known as Atlantis.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Or a settlement or something. Maybe could have been hyper advanced, but there was no point in. Maybe they couldn't protect it the way we're assuming they did. Maybe that's impossible.
Cristina: Okay, so they just moved out of there. Yeah, eventually.
Jack: Not even fast. Just slowly, slowly moved out.
Cristina: So it just looks like something's there, but what they left behind.
Jack: Yes, just slowly as they built roads and, you know.
Cristina: Mm. Kind of like that other place that we talked about last week. Like it was there and then the water and then they left. Like there's no reason to stay there. Oh yeah, they sank it. So crazy. Okay, wow.
Jack: Here it just. These are just logical scientific explanations for like what's the most likely, based on common knowledge. Yeah. Maybe they just settled in one spot. And as water levels over thousands of years rose, they kept moving and building where they are. They just build where they are, but they're always moving where they are over hundreds of years, you know, so they're.
Cristina: Probably not there anymore.
Jack: I'm probably not there anymore. The structures are probably down buried in the water somewhere as debris and crap lands on it and covers it over thousands and thousands of years. But like, we see things here and there, we see statues here and there, all spread out under the ocean within this area. But ultimately it was just the migration pattern. They settled low and over thousands of years kept moving. And we see all the structures from their migration patterns to the higher points that are now all the islands okay. And as they went higher, less space, more people in that space leads to more war and less resources. People eventually die out. If this was a giant location, and that would explain the lack of these individuals. Now, funny enough, the opposite argument of the it being a giant single landmass that was one giant collective of people. If it was one giant thing, and they were all the Elysians, as the lower parts of this giant metropolis kept getting drowned out, again, they just moved to the higher points.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And higher and higher. More of a seamless transition. So if it was all a single thing, they get to the top. And the only question is, where did the structures go in that argument? In the second argument, they killed each other trying to survive. Everything kind of disappears.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: They murdered one another just trying to survive.
Cristina: Yeah. Okay.
Jack: And that would lead us to, you know, where is the stuff? Well, we can see it underwater, but where'd they go? Well, they got.
Cristina: They're dead.
Jack: Yeah, it got. It got narrow.
Cristina: It got dark. Okay.
Jack: It got narrow. And so the problems with this theory is that there is a lack of above ground evidence in the form of local structures similar to the ones beneath the ocean. That's a problem. There's little information matching the data that aligns with what the Egyptians and the Mayans claim happened. There's not anything saying this is the path that took place. The increase in sea Height, level since 20,000 years ago suggests this could make sense. Though it is a great argument in that lack of evidence in the form of matching records as well. There's nothing along those lines. And lack of evidence in the form of not just statues underwater, but any kind of formation or migration pattern that shows them coming out of the water, other than the structures, doesn't exist.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: At this point, all we have is the Bermuda Road.
Cristina: All that there is that would point.
Jack: Like a literal path going into the water. And so hard to argue these because.
Cristina: It looks like they just disappeared. If we were just to follow the.
Jack: Path, yes, it looks like it's just nothing there. But again, it's also really hard to find things considering that 20,000 years is a really long time. We're talking erosion, we're talking a tectonic plate movements, we're talking debris from above the ocean currents and water bearing things slowly 20,000 years, anything will disappear. Even if it's still there, it would be invisible to us. Just like Dwarka. Dwarka wasn't 20,000 years ago. Dwarka was only 9,000 years ago. And it's completely underwater stories. Yeah, we have stories and sonar imaging. That's it. Because it's almost completely buried just by natural. Natural causes. Nature did it. It's just completely underwater. Other than them sinking it to the bottom, they didn't bury it. They just let it sink time buried it. Yeah. 20,000 years is twice the buried.
Cristina: Mm
Jack: And actually no, because 20,000 years is way more water level rising. The swallow it.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So it's more and more and more buried, especially if it began at the bottom.
Cristina: That's crazy. Yeah. There's no way to see what was there.
Jack: Now we go to the two other possibilities, the ones that would line up with the records, but that don't line up with the water level. So the records. This is a big problem. Right. Because natural understanding of how migration and things happen suggests the water level makes perfect sense. Except where the f*** is everybody Then? The opposite is what do the records of the Mayans, the Egyptians, the Greek, the Indians, the settlements locally, they got a different story about what these people did and where they were. And their stories work together. They corroborate, even if they never. Well, yeah, we've discussed it.
Cristina: Yeah, but there's new stories or you got a new connection to what they said?
Jack: I'm not talking about anything that they said. I'm using that data to do what I did with the previous two things, but now only aligning to the existing stories we've discussed. I'm not adding stories, we're just using those stories to conclude what's going on.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And this would take place between the year 4 BCE and 6 CE. That's before the current era and after the current era. Okay, now interesting idea here for this possibility. They get to the Atlantic Ocean and they head towards these islands. And group three, keep in mind group one goes north, likely to the Norse areas, Norway and Ireland and those kind of areas. One goes to the place known today as Gaza in Palestine, which used to be the Philistines. We have genetic markers to prove that. And the other side going to the Atlantic Ocean, the third group breaks off into two groups.
Cristina: Really?
Jack: Well, that's a theory. One settling on the islands today known as the Bahama Islands and Bimini and this in that region. Okay, mostly the Bimini Islands. And one goes to what is known as Atlantis. That group splitting off into two would allow them to both have the mention of Atlantis and to have the Bimini road. The road is then a connecting point between these two places where they settled both.
Cristina: Okay, so there they are still around in the meaning island. No, they're not oh, okay.
Jack: They would just be in Atlantis. Oh, but they settled these two at some point would be the argument here. And the road would have just been a connecting path to these settlements and. Or city. It could have been a settlement and a city. Now, in the case that this did happen, they would have probably begun on Bimini, landed there first, and settled there, building their way to Atlantis with their technology. If Atlantis wasn't already an existing structure, they could settle here, have just a con. We know they did this before because of Mananaan. They had settlements on Ireland. While they did what? They built the island, they worked on the island. They kept coming back and forward from Ireland to this island in order to study the things on it.
Cristina: Okay, so it could be a similar situation.
Jack: It could be a similar situation. They did something like this before, and so they didn't need to leave any thing there. They just needed to be there while they built Atlantis. Okay, and what we see is literally just a path of moving construction material.
Cristina: Yes, that makes sense.
Jack: Even if it's underwater, if you have a rover that's carrying it all, well, you don't want this rover all lumpy underwater, going up and down hills. You pave the road underwater leading to where you're building, and that will allow you to do that even if your tech can handle it. You want to efficientize your process, especially if you're trying to hide.
Cristina: But they're building underwater.
Jack: The idea would be they're building Atlantis underwater. This would only been 2,000 years ago. This isn't 20,000 years ago.
Cristina: Okay, okay. Crazy. All right.
Jack: Yeah. This is. They left because of whatever thing happened 2000 years ago around the time of Jesus. And as a result, they decided to. They first landed at this island and then started building Atlantis, which is why we hear about Atlantis. Most of these explanations are why do we hear about Atlantis and not. Not anything else.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And so that's a good way to explain it.
Cristina: Yeah. Okay, that's fine.
Jack: You know, perfectly logical. If these two groups did divide and they didn't do it this way, maybe they'd already been working on Atlantis, but they needed a way to reach people other than teleportation. Purely. And the reason we find no technology would be because of an agreement between both sides. The technology is required to sustain Atlantis. And the group of people that settled on the Bimini Islands would be the gatekeepers. They know how to reach the island. They know how to reach Atlantis. For those who don't know or are too far to reach one of the mountains. Okay, they can Guide you there to Atlantis. They know where exactly? They know how to navigate into Bermuda. They know how to do all that stuff and then get you to Atlantis. So they don't need any technology. They lived like primitive people, intentionally so that there would be no technology. So there's no signature that somebody could track them through.
Cristina: That's pretty crazy though. I don't know.
Jack: Break off into two groups. One goes into Atlantis, the other one stays on the islands. People who can determine these people aren't primitive, they're pretending to be.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Would then know to ask them to get to Atlantis. And they would know because they're pretending to be primitive.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It's part of the deal. You guys settle up here, we'll settle down there. Just a few of you will be the guides. Gatekeepers. Preventing people from getting to us, but showing those who manner how to get to us.
Cristina: Interesting. That's a. Interesting idea. I don't know. Different.
Jack: Yeah, it's a definitely different. It's, you know, but again an explanation. And the Bimini road would have been originally a construction path. And before most people had the ability to go deep into the water and follow the road, maybe they at least knew under the water where is the rover that they could dig up and drive somebody.
Cristina: Okay. It does feel like those that it is a construction path and not an actual normal path of just straight to it.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, it's. Yeah, that definitely might be the most possible. Yeah. So this would be very likely if they did split off into two groups. And one would be the protective primitive seeming group that works as the gatekeepers. And the technology would have all been in Atlantis.
Cristina: But would they have eventually gone into Atlantis as well?
Jack: Yes, presumably eventually when it became too dangerous, they would have either died out on top of or gone home to just leave no trace of their existence ever again. That would be the logical conclusion here.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Possibility. And that would be option three. Okay, so so far we have one giant landmass. It was either a country or a continent. And they were either the major location. It was a New York, New York situation. A popular, militarized, most densely populated, most technologically advanced. For some reason, hearing about Atlantis is because Atlantis was more important than the rest of the overwater landmass.
Cristina: Yes. And it's slowly underwater.
Jack: Yes. The other is they settled at the bottom. That died out. There's no such thing as Atlantis. If there was, it was just the first thing mentioned. And as it broke off into smaller islands, as the water level rise, the concept of the continent of Atlantis dissolves. And just these islands remain.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Then we have this group breaking off into two. One, protecting, which again, falls with the narrative of they still communicate with people. They still showed up and communicated with the Greek. Terrorized some individuals here and there as well. Only experimented on humans left and right, I guess. But they were still around. And they had mountain peaks to reach people. Maybe physical ways to get to them as well. Maybe it wasn't all transportation. Maybe it was if you can find these people, you can get there. If you don't know where the mountains.
Cristina: Are, yeah, they'll tell you. I do like that. I also like the first one, but. Okay.
Jack: And then along the lines of this narrative we've uncovered, with all the other people's stories lining up, this is one possibility. This has them going west very different than the ones who went north and the ones that stopped in Gaza. But it lines up with that narrative. They went west, and this is the area they would have gone to. And this makes sense as a move to protect themselves. All of the above fits with this, minus the existence of Bimini. Again, it could have been a construction road. It could be a literal path down there. The third, the fourth one is the alternate migration pattern. So the idea here is first they migrated to Bimini. Maybe it was more important to get the f*** out of the Persian Gulf oasis. And who cares where. This lines up with the fact that they did break off into three groups initially.
Cristina: Okay. You know, and they ended up in Benimini.
Jack: Yeah, they just got the f*** out of the Persian Gulf oasis. Some went north somewhere in the Gaza, some crossed the ocean. Everybody was just getting the f*** out of the Persian Gulf oasis by any means necessary. And maybe that took priority.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And once they landed there, they could again establish developing technologies over time.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Allowing them to explore deeper into the ocean, eventually settling Atlantis. So Atlantis would have come later. They landed at Bimini and worked to get to Atlantis.
Cristina: That's the hardest one to believe. I don't know.
Jack: Yeah. But this one lines up again with the. It being a construction path. While option three suggests they broke off evenly, this is the option that suggests it is a construction road. And it was entirely not a connecting point, but rather. And I mean, not, not, not a connecting point, but it wasn't designed just to be. Travel back and forth or take people from one side to the other. It was entirely, let's take resources down there.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: To build where we're gonna live. And this did. The panic with which they evacuated, the entire Persian Gulf oasis would align with this. Settle wherever we can, and then we'll find something. But we have to leave.
Cristina: But they get there when it's already underwater.
Jack: What do you mean when it's already underwater?
Cristina: Like when they go to be. Meaning there's. It's an island.
Jack: It's an island. 2000 years ago, everything is just islands. Only 20000 years ago was it one landmass. Okay, this is 2000 years ago when they left Jesus's birth area. Yeah, these are islands. Now these have been islands for about 10,000 years. Okay, so yes, everything was an island. The scenario which is a continent, would require this to have happened 20,000 years ago. Those were the first two, these are the second two. These are happening only 2,000 years ago. All of these places are islands. Like I said 20,000 years ago the sea levels were 400ft lower. Yeah, 2,000 years ago it was only about a foot lower. Okay, so it was islands. And again, this does perfectly line up with a desperate escape. You know, get somewhere safe first.
Cristina: Yeah, and it makes them sound extremely advanced. If it only took them 2000 years to make that Atlantic City underwater instead of Atlantis. Yeah, Atlantis underwater, it would have taken.
Jack: Them way less 2000 years. Would have assumed they finished it like among the last couple of years.
Cristina: Yeah, that's ridiculous. Advancement like that's too advanced. But I don't know, like they are supposed to be advanced, but that's kind of crazy.
Jack: No, it didn't take them 2,000 years to do it.
Cristina: If they got there 2,000 years ago.
Jack: If it took them two. If they got there 2000 years ago and it took them 2000 years to do it, they would have done it within our parents lifetime. That's when they would have finished Atlantis.
Cristina: But no, I guess not. But like they. How long do you think it took them after?
Jack: Well, the argument here would be that it was under a hundred years.
Cristina: 100 years.
Jack: That's still so along the time we start seeing the Knights Templar would have been when they were now no longer worried about building.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And it becomes about fixing the narrative to protect themselves. Yes, now hiding is no longer the issue. Hiding the data is.
Cristina: Yeah, but they're so advanced they made something underwater in 200 years.
Jack: Well, based on what they already had under the water into Persian. Keep in mind this is following the narrative of the data that the people are telling us were already super crazy. Hyper advanced. Yeah, it would have taken them no time to do what they already had. They just didn't do it overground. They did what they already had in the Persian Gulf oasis, which was underwater already. And so it was much easier once you have the technology, even if they didn't take the tech, they know how to do it. And even if they didn't take the tech, maybe they left the way in and out of the Persian Gulf oasis that allowed them to take the technology to the Bimini Islands. And then without taking a portal straight to Atlantis, they then have a road to deliver the things.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Thus keeping them safe. And nobody who lands on these islands would know. And then they just destroy the portal they were bringing the things through.
Cristina: Okay, so there are ways.
Jack: Yeah, they could have brought a lot of things out of the Persian Gulf oasis from inside their home in the palace of Alcaraz and just kept bringing things out regularly and using this technology to build more technology. All they needed initially was the bubble that would protect where they'd build the city. Once that's dry, everything else is easy.
Cristina: Yeah. Okay.
Jack: Once it's dry, you're good. So you create the force field underwater, establish drain all the water out of it, and then you're good.
Cristina: And they did it before because they were already living underwater.
Jack: They were already living underwater. We don't know how they built that. No idea how they built the palace of Alcaraz. That's crazy. But it was there. On the flip side, if that was built by Yahweh 20,000 years ago, then maybe that was also above ground.
Cristina: That could be. I don't know. Because we know it makes more sense if these things are above ground and then they protected it going under.
Jack: So the possibility would be a combination of 1 and 4. 20,000 years ago, Yahweh was around. We just don't know anything about him. And also, water level was 400ft lower. The entire Persian Gulf oasis was above ground. The Alicians could have settled there. They could have also created Atlantis at that point.
Cristina: Yeah, that seems most likely.
Jack: MANANAN was about 7,000 years back, so at least that far back we had different settlements.
Cristina: Yeah, it's hard to imagine that they just had one.
Jack: With the size and technologies they had, they must have been. And we know 200,000 years ago, we're dealing with LOI up to 3 million years ago, we're dealing with at least an individual called Eloi, which could have been several different people. And if it's several different people, which is the most likely possibility, unless these beings aren't purely human or aren't human but humanoid.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Live exceptionally long, we would. We would assume it's different people.
Cristina: I think so.
Jack: And Loi is a title and that's why Yahweh went by Loi at some point. And that's why Jehovah gets confused for Loi, because they all received that title.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And if that's the case, and this is a 3 million year old civilization, they would have had to had settlements.
Cristina: Yes. It makes no sense that they just have one city and then that went down and then they have a second city and that's the whole history.
Jack: Well, no, after that first city, when goes down, they would have three. We just.
Cristina: Oh yeah, plus those other two.
Jack: One of them got enslaved, presumably by the shadow people, which is where Gaza landed. The other one disappeared somewhere up north, likely just merging in with their people over there into the invisible island. And the ones that went west. But there would have had to be more. They only just abandoned the Persian Gulf oasis, which might have been the capital city to these people. The most important location, kind of akin to what Israel is to the Jews. It's the middle point of wherever Jews are anywhere on earth, Israel is the middle point to them. Israel is the important location. So if we think of it that way, the Persian Gulf oasis might have just been the point. It was the center. Regardless of where all the settlements are, your governing body is in the Persian.
Cristina: Gulf oasis because that's where they're trading with everyone anyway.
Jack: Yes, well, they're not trading from trading.
Cristina: But yeah, but it's easy to travel from there to the other countries.
Jack: So either that's the main governing body or just a really great point to connect to everybody else. That's also likely where most of their scientific advancements happen. If it was at that point the most advanced city they had, or maybe it was always Atlantis and as the water levels rose, we just 20,000 years lost a lot of information.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And we're just more familiar with the Persian Gulf oasis. But maybe Atlantis was there the whole time.
Cristina: It could happen. It really could have been.
Jack: Yeah, you really could have been. So it's possible that it's a merge of for N1 and yes, all of this was above ground and they didn't have to migrate because they had such great technology. They're like, no, this is even better for us. If we put these things in place. As everything gets swallowed up, we'll just be secretive by default.
Cristina: Okay. And you said that's how many years ago?
Jack: 20,000 years ago is when the water level was 400ft lower and the evacuation from the Persian Gulf Oasis happened 2,000 years ago.
Cristina: And that other place in India when did that go Underwater?
Jack: Dwarka was 9,000 years ago.
Cristina: 9,000, okay.
Jack: Dwarka was 2,000 years before Mananan settled in Ireland.
Cristina: But Dwarka is unrelated. It's so crazy.
Jack: Dwarka isn't related. Dwarka is on the old equator. So it could be one of the other civilizations.
Cristina: Now we gotta re. Investigate those other civilizations.
Jack: Yeah, basically, it's a lot of revisiting things and looking at it differently.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So with this information, it's absolutely possible that there are a ton of Elysian settlements. And that's the. The fact that a lot of the Middle east and Eastern Europe all have the same argument of the sea people are pirates and terrorists and whatever and this and that. This giant, unfathomable technologically advanced force maybe with several individuals from the same groups. We know that there are the main figureheads. But obviously like when current civilization collapses, we're not going to remember Bob from down the street. The names that are going to echo through time are Steve Jobs, President Barack Obama. You know, those names are going to sustain as the elites that mattered. And everybody else is going to.
Cristina: We don't know any normal elation. We don't know.
Jack: Yeah, exactly. Everybody had significant importance and that's why they were recorded over and over and over and over to the point that we hear about them even now, thousands of years later. That's why they were recorded under the Sphinx and under the Castillo.
Cristina: Interesting. Yeah. Except for that random lawyer. I don't know how his story was recorded, except that his sister ended up becoming important.
Jack: Yes. So I think it's more about her story that we found out about his.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: He was just somebody important in her life. And him. Yeah, it's really her story because him introducing her to the Shadow Realm is what allowed her to meet Ixshaw.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And then Inan and Ixshaw swap places. So it's really. His story was just about introducing her to the right circumstances.
Cristina: Okay, so not even he's random.
Jack: Okay, not even his random. Interesting. Right. With this data, we have the possibility of multiple settlements. We know that there is something sketchy about Yahweh and why we can't find his information. Maybe he is and has been the person who's in charge of Atlantis the way that Jehovah was in charge of the Persian Gulf oasis. That's another way to look at it. He could have been the president. He could have been the mayor. He could have been whatever. Of Atlantis.
Cristina: Yes, Leader.
Jack: Yeah, the leader. There you go. The leader of Atlantis and Jehovah. His son was the leader of the Persian. Which also kind of leans into the kings and queen scenario, that your descendants are the ones who will be in charge.
Cristina: Oh, yeah. They could have had something like that there.
Jack: We know they had crowns. We know they had thrones. We know they had a lot of symbolism. They had religion. They were also Rhoastrian.
Cristina: What's that?
Jack: A religion?
Cristina: What's it called again?
Jack: Zoroastrian. Oh, Zoroastrianism predates Islam.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: And so, like the guy who discovered the magnum opus, he was a Zoroastrian, a Greek Zoroastrian. And. Yeah. So this suggests that there are many settlements. We know of a couple of them, but it suggests not settlements, but rather the Persian Gulf oasis wasn't the only actual established city. And the invisible island wasn't either. It would also be Atlantis, most likely. And this lines up with the narrative that's provided to us by the other civilizations that have records that survived.
Cristina: Yes. So they're everywhere. Probably. I mean, there's probably more that we don't know about.
Jack: There's probably more that we don't know about. And it's possible Jesus knew about a lot of these places too. We don't understand what the point of going straight to Japan was. But maybe there were settlements along the way. Maybe he was in contact with the Elysians. I don't know.
Cristina: It's hard to tell. I don't know. Because he went through China. He went. He went all over the world. I don't know.
Jack: Well, at least east.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And it's very confusing. But that being said, it doesn't look like the Elysians went anywhere east. It looks like the most eastern location they had was the Persian Gulf voices. It looks like they purely went west while Jesus purely went east.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Opposite directions.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Kind of hard, too.
Cristina: Was that on purpose? I don't know.
Jack: Jesus definite maybe Jesus did do it on purpose. Jesus might have gone the opposite direction where he knows there aren't elisions.
Cristina: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay. I think that too, because of the whole handwriting thing. Like he was trying to keep himself, even though they can dream about him, at least when he was born.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: We don't know if they continue dreaming about him, because that'd be crazy. They can just watch his every move or whatever. But.
Jack: Yeah, well, no, I think that stopped. Like he learned to control that or whatnot.
Cristina: Yeah. But yeah, I think he wanted to hide himself from them too.
Jack: Well, actually, according to all the texts, it only happened that his birth, like a Giant mental shock wave sent through time. At his birth, it hit forward and it hit back, but only of that moment. So that everybody knew where they were. No, it was actually not even his birth. It was his conception.
Cristina: Weird.
Jack: Yeah. At his conception, a mental wave shot across the earth, a psychic wave. And everybody had visions of him in the future, of him staying there and in the future and in the past. So they, in the future, in the past, all saw the his life there. So they moved and casted him so he wouldn't have a life near them.
Cristina: And he stayed away from them.
Jack: And he stayed away. He went farther away from them. They went west. They went north and west, spreading out in every direction. He went east, away from all their settlements. Their narratives are trying to suppress his existence, his honest existence.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Fascinating.
Cristina: Yes. Because he doesn't want to do anything with them either. Or at least it doesn't seem.
Jack: At least it doesn't seem that way. Interesting though. So the possibility that Atlantis does in fact exist and is where Yahweh has been and that it's on a continent. It had a former continent.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And that if the water. So it would be everything, all of the above. Right. It would be. They got there, it was a single continent. This was the most important location or the most advanced. It was led by Yahweh, most likely. As the world water level started to rise, they were the only ones not to migrate away. They put technology that allows them to cover themselves. As the water level rises, the city most likely sinks even deeper because of tectonic plate movement. 20,000 years, they could just disappear under not just the water, but under the ground, underneath the water, which would even support crap like hollow earth. Like maybe that's just them.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And they're even covered by dirt, so it's not just water.
Cristina: Okay. So you can never find them.
Jack: You can never find them. And only they know the ways in and out. And so that means that. Yes, single continent. Yes, they were the most important place there. Yes, there were people on what's the islands of today. Most likely they had individuals of their own on these islands, living amongst the other people. But eventually they even evacuated that and the Persian Gulf oasis people had a location to go to after they left that spot. Yes, left the spot. One of the three groups, the ones that went north, also had settlements to go to. The real question becomes what happened to the ones that went to Gaza. We know that all other cultures describe not the current day Jews, but the Jews of that time were being described as shadow people from the Other side. So the argument would be, were they cut off by these people and they landed there and were trapped.
Cristina: And it somehow has to do with stones or something.
Jack: Yes. The possibility of preserving these people for the time when they figure out how to make philosopher's stones again. Which could be today, it could be what's happening now. Except all they need is the DNA. So these people are now mixed with human, but they still have the DNA. And the shadow people are either indistinguishable from human, or these are descendants of the ones that went through the process to be humanoid, like Lucifer. And so they're also indistinguishable from humans. It's two groups of people who are indistinguishable from humans. But we can track a genetic marker that's non existent anywhere else in the people of Gaza. And we know factually that the country of Israel just happened right after World War II. That didn't exist prior to that. Okay, so two groups of people who shouldn't even exist. Both do in the same region, and one is attacking the other. Neither should exist. Both attacking each other. Well, one attacking the other.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: In what seems to be the plan originally to create philosopher's stones, you would need to make the best philosopher's stones by killing people with the Elysian blood.
Cristina: Whose plan, though?
Jack: And it's a long plan too. Yes, we're talking long game.
Cristina: Because of course, it can't be the Alicians. They wouldn't. I mean, I don't maybe. I don't know. I don't think so.
Jack: I don't think so either. I think it wasn't avoiding Jesus. I think people knowing where they're hidden place. If this happened 20,000 years ago and this was overground, and that was overground. And then they let themselves be consumed by water because they had the technology and the infrastructure to support themselves. Then secrecy became part of their lifestyle. Then this psychic wave goes in every direction and people know where you are now. And then we see what's happening today. And the fact that when that migration happened, one of the three groups got cut off and forced into this little spot. Okay, Maybe the Alicians were avoiding something more dangerous that also received the psychic wave that told them where they were.
Cristina: I wonder. Okay.
Jack: Need a leash and blood to make the best stone.
Cristina: I don't know. Who could it be? Because you only think of the Alicians as a top.
Jack: Yeah, I mean, we obviously don't know. It's not like we're gonna sit here and just come up with an answer. But. But they seem to have also avoided something that they lasted longer than everybody else avoiding. That is the last mass evacuation we know about. The Alicians. They stood their ground longer than everybody else until Jesus was born and a mental shockwave went out.
Cristina: Yes, it could be shadow people, but I don't think so.
Jack: Why would the Shadow people be stronger than the Alicians? That's the problem. Bare minimum they would be equal. And there's way more Elysians.
Cristina: Okay, what about rogue Nagas? Is that something to fear?
Jack: There are rogue Naga but I don't know why they would need anything from the Elysian. They would be more overpowered by the fault. I think they're more akin to like angels protecting the gods of destruction in Dragon Ball. You know, like obviously way stronger than the God of destruction and your job is just to assist them. Them Naga seemed to be that infinite intelligence. They can bend space itself. They just do whatever the you want though. They don't back talk or I'm just like okay, sure.
Cristina: Yeah. Okay.
Jack: So it wouldn't look like they would need any of that. And if they needed to find you, they probably easily could without needing that shockwave to go out.
Cristina: Okay, yeah.
Jack: So there's something else. But that even the Elysians needed to leave once it knew where they were but what that would be. So yeah, this is basically what we got. This set of information that enlightens us into this migration and what could and what it could mean. The possibility that Atlantis has always been around is there now.
Cristina: Makes sense.
Jack: Makes sense.
Cristina: Makes sense.
Jack: At least through all the data we've looked at. And it would explain where Yahweh was then that it was impossible to find anything on the guy. We find things about people before him, we find things about people after him. And his only mentions are casually through those but never about him directly.
Cristina: He's underwater.
Jack: He could just be in this city that's buried and invisible to the rest of us. President, Leader, Leader.
Cristina: His best leader.
Jack: Way to zone in on that.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And it kind of leans into the royalty aspect of if you're here and you sent your son to go rule over there. There's this aspect of you your descendants are naturally the people in charge.
Cristina: I think so. The kings. Yep.
Jack: Yep. Anywho. So that's what we got. That's where we are. So if you guys have any idea about any additional bits, tidbits of information, anything you might find relative. Were talking about. What seems more plausible out of these options. What seems less likely based on everything we already know. You could, you know, hit us up on our socials and let us know at just convopod that's on X, on Facebook, on Instagram, on TikTok, wherever.
Cristina: Yes, I really think the big island thing makes more sense than they just quickly made something in their water.
Jack: But yes, I do agree. I think that it's a combination of all these things and were over water to begin with.
Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.
Jack: Yes and word of mouth is the most awesome important thing. It tells people about this program and will inform them on the truths we are discovering.
Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.
Jack: It.
Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.
