Rambling 280: Clinton Road: Part 1: Echoes
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Is Clinton Road actually Haunted? If not, what could explain the odd occurrences? Is there anything we can learn from them? The duo revisits the case of Clinton Road, a place often considered the most haunted region on Earth. Jack’s first hand experiences and the amount of reported cases work together to provide a new perspective on what is truly taking place at this paranormal hot spot.
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Topics Discussed:
- Thin Places
- Spacetime Distortions
- Ghosts vs Phantoms
- Wormholes
- Echoes
- Slipping Through Time
- The Bird Theory
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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.
Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.
Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And we have quite the baffling at the moment. So let's do a little house cleaning. Right. Hella years ago, we did a Halloween episode where I was talking about my experiences at Clinton Road. Yeah, the first time we did this, it took three episodes to really break apart everything that I personally experienced there. And it was just for the sake of Halloween. But then the episode stretched out and it was like a three part thing. And on the last of the three episodes, we called up Reaper and Nune and we had conversations with them relative to the thing so that they can tell us their angles on it. And everybody had a different story.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And everybody talked about different timings and everybody talked about a lot of different things. Now we know the stories say that Clinton Road is an exceptionally haunted place. We've about two years after that point, took another deep dive into Clinton Road. And then we found about thin places. And this kind of lined up pretty heftily that there was just, you know, space time anomalies and distortions taking place and that a lot of what was taking place could have just been echoes that existed in that region.
Cristina: Yeah, yeah.
Jack: Except we've now gotten even more insight and information. We found out how space time distortions in the form of thin places get formed. So in a weird full circle scenario, something that was totally unrelated has suddenly become pressing because it has space time distortions, which could only have been caused by highly advanced electrical magnetic technology, which could only have been done by the ancient civilizations that were extremely advanced, particularly the only ones that had that level of energy, which were either Djinn or f****** Elysians somehow. Full little circle.
Cristina: But why were they there?
Jack: But why were they there?
Cristina: Huh? Interesting.
Jack: Yes. So in figuring this out, it makes sense to once again visit this place. But now with new eyes and the ability to look granularly at all the things that could possibly be happening there. And so I've done that. I've gone and I've looked for a lot. Now here's what I'm gonna preface this with. There's a lot. So this episode is gonna be very surface level. The reason I began this was by talking about how we approached this in Halloween is because I kind of want to keep driving this topic that's probably gonna take us beyond Halloween because of how many things there are here. And we have to unpack some of them. None of which we're going to do here, but we're gonna. We're gonna discuss a couple of these.
Cristina: Points while we refreshing our memories or something.
Jack: We're gonna. We're gonna go through the things that are here and we're gonna talk. It's not anything about me. We're not refreshing memories on anything.
Cristina: No. We're learning the past episodes. No, we're going.
Jack: No, no. We're just. This has nothing to do with us.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: We're just gonna go through Clinton Road with nothing about us involved. No. No past research. No. Nothing. We at what exists. And then with the new eyes, we have kind of talk about the things that are obviously gonna stick out.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: We didn't know these things before, although we brushed by them. Now we're gonna look at these things that we've seen before, but now we have fresh eyes and it's suddenly gonna be like, Okay, I've divided this into three different sides that matter at different grades. The first of these sides is called echoes.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: This part comes first because we're going to easily dismiss it unless something in particular sticks out that we might need to correct for. But otherwise, these are things I believe are echoes.
Cristina: Okay, cool. There's a lot of them.
Jack: There's a lot. The one we'd be going to after that is going to get a little more pressing. These are phantoms. These are. These. Have a little bit of thought to them.
Cristina: Okay. Yeah.
Jack: And we're going to end at a third area that is just labeled under the things that are definitely, without a question, significant.
Cristina: That's what they're just significant.
Jack: Just significant.
Cristina: Well, what a difference.
Jack: Okay, so let us go back and visit this part one of a Clinton Road. Revisit this part one. I am calling the menu. This whole episode is called the menu. This is the menu we're gonna be unpacking. Okay, so let us begin first with a quick description of what we mean by echoes. When people say ghost, they are talking too blanketly. And ghosts have been obscured. So now ghost is a blanket term. It will remain a blanket term, but it highlights several things. It highlights dead humans who are spirits. It highlights creatures from other realms which are phantoms, and it highlights space time distortions and reflections which are echoes, all of which we refer to as ghost. Unanimously, yes. But these three things are now going to be unpacked. So specifically, echoes are the ones we're looking For. Because we can write those off. Those are only being caused by the space time anomaly. We don't know what caused the space time anomaly, but we know that things do cause the spacetime anomaly. We already have that fact in place. So now let's just discard the ones that don't matter. First, the boy at the bridge. There's a child, a ghostly boy. An apparition that shows up. And the boys reported he's reportedly always under a bridge picking up coins that people take.
Cristina: That's what I remember. I don't remember the whole story. I remember there's a boy with a coin.
Jack: And so he goes and gets the coins from underneath the bridge and he puts them back on top of the bridge. People see him consistently doing this one motion. He goes to the bottom of the bridge, grabs coins, bring those to the top of the bridge, goes back to the bottom, gets coins. And so the repetition of this, the fact that nobody sees anything different of this boy tells us that boy is not there. That's either in the past, most likely.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Or in the future. But likely mostly in the past because he tends to look old timey. Tends to look like an 1800s child.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So it fits the suit. He must have actually been there, maybe grabbing coins, collecting them himself to play or something. And we're seeing kind of the moment.
Cristina: Back of that moment.
Jack: Not a flash. Yeah, Sort of a flashback. The echo, the reflection of that instance in time. And this has been. This is upon one of the most mentioned things. But he's always described the same way.
Cristina: Okay. We're saying these are not ghosts. This isn't the ghost of the dead boy or anything. Like he is a person that existed and he's probably dead right now.
Jack: Yeah. But this is echo. This isn't him. This isn't like his spirit is cut in a time loop. No, this is. We're seeing through time back to when he was actually doing that. Yeah, that's literally him. But we're looking through a time window.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: The next one is just referred to as the girl. Now, this is a sort of ghostly girl in a white dress. Not to be confused with the lady in the white dress that is originally from Clinton Road too. Two different individuals. So this girl in the white dress is often wandering the road, believed to be searching for her parents. That's different than the hitchhiker lady in the white dress who usually gets a ride. And this is the typical story of you take her home. And then they're like, what the f***? My daughter's been Dead for years. Because she leaves like her hoodie in the back seat or something. And then the guy always comes back, oh, my God, I left the thing. And then, oh, no. So that's a different lady. This other girl is just always walking and she doesn't get in anybody's car. But I remember reading about this when we did this the first time. And it's always that she's looking for her parents and that she has like a really blank stare. Kind of like a nightgown. Not even a dress. It's sort of more like a nightgown. Like she just walked out of her house or something. And she's always walking on the side. She's got lost. Somebody asked, hey, are you okay? I'm just looking for my family.
Cristina: And that I able to take her home.
Jack: She does. She never gets in the car. They ask her to get in. She just walks away. Well, weird. Now, here's the thing about this. This is confusing. This one has a question mark next to it. Because the fact that they can interact with her is weird. But they ask her. But I think some of these echoes are also like, again, maybe somebody stopped by there around that time back then.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That's why you hear her say the same thing.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It's always. She's looking for her parents and she's always walking along the same area.
Cristina: She's saying it's probably something she did say.
Jack: Exactly something somebody did see her. And hey, you're right. And oh, no, I'm just looking for my family. And so we're seeing that moment.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And some enough people, it's, you know, it's a hot spot. It's a tourist attraction. Enough people go through there that occasionally they catch her at that very moment and then they happen to talk to her at that very moment and she happens to say what she would say.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And so it's like, oh, my God. She said, but you're not really talking to her. It's always the same loop. It never changes.
Cristina: Yeah. I think it's still an echo.
Jack: I think that is checks out as an echo. Right. It doesn't seem like this is fantastic.
Cristina: No.
Jack: The next one referred to as the hitchhiker. This one is a person looking for a ride.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: But there seems to be a cutoff point. So that by default means. Yeah. It's like they're asking for a ride and they just vanish in front of you.
Cristina: Yeah. But it still seems like an echo. Like that's true for sure. That's probably what they were doing once Upon a time. And they did get that ride.
Jack: Yeah. And a lot of people theorize that the hitchhiker got killed by somebody, but that's not how this would work.
Cristina: No, this has nothing to do with how they died.
Jack: No, this has nothing to do with.
Cristina: Everyone's gonna assume all these things are related to ghosts, and therefore they must have died in the area, which probably not. They probably just. They're really from that area. Yeah.
Jack: These are people who were definitely just people who lived around here. It seems to be the case, and it seems to be with echoes. It's always the way that that works. So I think the hitchhiker definitely appropriately put under an echo. The cutoff point makes it too obvious. I think anytime there's a cutoff point to, like, restart, you're objectively an echo.
Cristina: Yep. And it's not a ghost. It's important to know that, yes, they're dead, but they're not. It wasn't like someone murdered them.
Jack: No. Everything is a ghost that we're talking about. That's why we're referring to this as an echo.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: The different ghosts are the echoes and the phantoms. But this is a ghost. It's just not.
Cristina: It's not that they were hiking and then getting murdered and now.
Jack: Yeah, it's not a phantom that's over here.
Cristina: Thinking is unrelated to why they're there.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. This isn't like a lingering spirit. We have the bicyclist, a spectral bicyclist, sometimes seen riding along the road, believed to have died and in a hit and run accident. Always on the same part of the road, always for about the same distance, Always on the bike, always the same outfit. And he's never seen beyond that point or before that point.
Cristina: And they're always gonna assume they died.
Jack: He must have died there.
Cristina: Unless they look like. Like if he looked like he was hit by something and he's.
Jack: Then I would say, okay, okay, you saw the death.
Cristina: Yeah, but it was just a guy riding a bike.
Jack: Yeah, it's just a guy riding a bike and. Yeah, exactly. It's like such a waste of thought ultimately, to be like, oh, his death put him here. It's like, I mean, if you saw him die, maybe, but chances are. Nah, nah. It has nothing to do with it. And the place is distorted. Yeah, the place is distorted. Not the people. Next, the haunted lake. This one is. Weird one. This is the lake near Clinton Road, and it is said to have been haunted by spirits of those who drowned in it. It's off a sharp Right turn, there's like a hard right entering Clinton Road. I'm not sure from which side, the south or the north. But right off of one of those two entrances, there is a little dirt path that goes on, and then it leads to this lake. This lake has two important things that are very weird. One, there are consistently sightings of people fishing there and people, like, hanging out in the lake usually at nighttime. And they're there and like. Like walking around it. You kind of get glimpses of them and stuff, but they're not like, really there. What makes this really weird is there's a high point vantage. This vantage point. We can see the lake. And from that point, people have always said the lake looks populated and full. I think there is an angular distortion that allows a continuous view of a past point. From that vantage point they're looking at.
Cristina: That's cool. And then, like, there's many figures, but they might not even be there at the same time.
Jack: That. Exactly. This could be a. The tall grass scenario where all the different timelines are kind of converging at that one spot. And through this sort of window, you see it all in one spot.
Cristina: The lake is a hot spot. That's where people want to hang out.
Jack: Yes, exactly. You people would normally be there in groups.
Cristina: Yeah. So it would be many groups. But those many groups are not there together.
Jack: They would be there for hours sometimes. So if there's just time slips that last a second, they would have been there to be caught by the time slips so that we can see them.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So it would look populated. And I do believe up there in that vantage point there is that. That is in fact maybe a sustained sort of thin place entrance that you can look through. Maybe you'd have to jump and clear a distance to get through it, but it seems to be sustained because it's always the same spot that people go to to see the lake filled with people.
Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty cool.
Jack: So that's a good. A great example of it being just an echo, but, like, you could probably jump through if we could see the gap. The problem is we can't see the entrance or exit to thin places. We can only see what's on the other side. But if we could somehow make a technology that allows us to detect them, I wonder how many we would see if turned it on. Like, you know, I put thin place detecting glasses. Would it look like bubble gates? Would it just be like a tear in space? I think it would look like a perfect sphere.
Cristina: I have no idea.
Jack: Everything in nature Kind of.
Jack: I think it looks like a perfect sphere.
Cristina: Cool.
Jack: A wormhole.
Cristina: Wormhole looking thing.
Jack: Yeah. We can't see it. And again, it's always positions properly with what you're looking at. So yes, in the past that lake was still there. So it's not like you looking through it. Oh, there's something else there. Yeah, you see a different time of it. But you know, geographically it's the same.
Cristina: It still looks. Yeah, it looks the same.
Jack: So you wouldn't see the entrance. Now if the place changed drastically and there was a place like this. Here would be my next sentence. I think because there is a sustained doorway that allows us to see to the past. Maybe there's a location that we altered somewhere on earth that has the same effect. And when you stand through it, we can see the entrance not because we're seeing the wormhole, but because the other side looks so different that it looks like two images overlapping. And one is a circular sphere of a different place that should exist somewhere. But it should exist as such a weird kind of.
Cristina: It's not like that farm place where we sometimes see the hole sometimes.
Jack: That could totally be the case. Is that a wormhole to a different time? It is a space time distortion. And we know thin places cause this. And those holes are migrating consistently. They're never in the same place.
Cristina: And are those even there now? Like I don't think.
Jack: Yeah, they show up and disappear all the time to this day.
Cristina: Wow. But like I don't know because you're looking at it, but I don't know.
Jack: To this day they move around. Yeah, it's f****** weird. But I think this, the haunted lake gives us a lot of information because the haunted lake tells us that they are thin place sustained entrances that don't move. And that seems to be one presumably one that if we could see and maybe keep open by will we can traverse to whatever alternate time that is. Potential time travel just exists. Yeah, but they would be tiny little gateways that we can't see. And we'd have to accent this also.
Cristina: Would expect multiple times are overlapping in that you're seeing groups of people.
Jack: That depends. It depends. That's a theory where. It depends if that's the actual case that's happening. Because it could have been a day that they were all at the lake, sunny day, you happen to be in the summer and all those people are one moment. And if that's the case and that's one place. And that would create an interesting situation. Right. We're talking about people flying and their planes completely disappearing. And you're going through where? Oh, you're crossing over to Bermuda Triangle. And what the. Do those people have excessively overpowered technology. You'd be making thin places like a m***********.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And then somebody flies over your thing and your plane totally disappears. We never see a crash. We never see anything.
Cristina: No.
Jack: No remnants. When we go and check, you're just gone. Or maybe there are enough sustained thin places that somebody went in. Poof. Popped out in the future. Popped out in the past. And they have no idea what. They can't see it to go right back in. They're just somewhere else.
Cristina: Some other time.
Jack: Some other time. And there's no way back. We've seen glimpses. Maybe there is. Let's say where I'm sitting, there's a thin place, and you are a plane flying parallel. You're not flying towards me, you're flying parallel. Me standing down here, you on the other side of the thin place in whatever time you're in. I'm technically looking through the thin place when you fly in front of it. And I see you from your time. From my angle. In my time, we've seen many things like this. Pictures of planes and hieroglyphs and stuff. That's easily somebody flying right by a bubble. And I see it.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And you didn't notice it was here. I didn't notice it was there, except I saw something weird. That's it.
Cristina: You saw something weird, but I didn't see anything.
Jack: You see anything. And so it looks like you blinked in, blinked out, but you never entered my thing. But now let's say that same thin place was in front of you instead. Then you enter it. But then I didn't just see you show up and disappear in my end. You just entered my end. And you'll never get back to yours. Okay, that explains many of the planes that have just disappeared. Boats have just disappeared, all of which happen to be around the premier triangle, which we know has the largest energy displacement on the planet.
Cristina: Yeah, they're just traveling somewhere else.
Jack: A lot of these dots are trying to f****** make sense. Some other time, different time through these sort of portals. And that's all thanks to this lake that gives us a good frame of reference. Now we get to the lady in white, which is a completely different apparition from the girl. This is again the one that always gets in the car and the one that has been dead. But this is a weird one. This has a little star next to it because the. You can interact with Her. But this seems less like. And she gets in your f****** car.
Cristina: But again, the hiker, though, gets in your car.
Jack: No, the hiker asks for a ride. And just. But this lady gets in the car, and you take her where she's going, and then she goes inside. And then the people inside never saw the door open. They never saw anybody come in. You come back with a hoodie, you knock, and they're like, what the.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: My question is, how does this story repeat? And the family isn't like, oh, somebody else showed up with the hoodie. That's where I get f***** up.
Cristina: That's also an echo.
Jack: Then they're not there. The family is part of the echo.
Cristina: I would think so.
Jack: Except the girl gets in your car. How are you tactically positioned in the same exact way? How are you moving in such a way that's so identical to how she moved when she was in the previous car that you don't lose. Sink and drive left slightly, and she's just floating next to you. Why doesn't that happen? This is interacting with the person. This isn't an echo, then. But then everything else would suggest an echo. Yeah, except she interacted with the individual and she left the physical object in the car.
Cristina: So then everything plays out just like an echo. That's the weird thing.
Jack: That's a weird thing. This is why this is a unique situation, because all the characteristics of an echo, except it has this one facet of a phantom. It's interacting with you. And the family at the door is too. When you get to the door, they get. They open it. When you get to the door, they're not just. You arrive and they're talking to nobody because you arrived five minutes too late. And they're just. Yeah, you see them talking to nobody. Or you get there too early and nobody answers for the longest. Until it's the time that it's supposed to be triggered. That they would open the door. No, no. It plays always the same. This is a weird one, because I would argue something different is happening. My argument is there's still an echo. I would argue this is. You never left Clinton Road. I would argue this is a person slipping into a thin place.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And now you're kind of trapped in a series of events.
Cristina: And once you're done with it, then you're out of it.
Jack: You exit on the other end. Yeah, I think we're seeing a different type of echo, one you're partaking in. You're not really interacting with it, but you've fallen into the Echo space.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And now you're part of the echo. Even if they're not there. And you technically are. You're kind of all here at the same time too.
Cristina: And you have to.
Jack: You have to complete the role.
Cristina: Complete the role. Yeah.
Jack: I would argue this is how Groundhog Day happens. In Groundhog Day, there's no way to really know how the role completes.
Cristina: You just have to.
Jack: You have to figure it out. That's the problem. He. He entered the thin place without being in a unique space where only one event is taking place. A thin place like this. You're in the middle of f****** nowhere. There's an obvious step to take. Oh, let me take the girl home. Oh, she forgot the thing. Oh, let me take it back home. Where she. There's obvious conclusions that could lead you to the exit.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Groundhog Day situation is you just fell in, and you don't know where you fell in, what caused it or anything. And there's also no guide on your way out. You don't know where the exit is.
Cristina: No. But you just. You stumble upon it. Like you stumbled upon the entrance.
Jack: Yes. So in this situation, the situation is guiding you towards the exit.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But it's because the echo ends at the other end. Not because the echo literally ends there, but because there happens to be a thin place that's the exit point. And they're sort of connected.
Cristina: Yeah. That's so weird.
Jack: I think this is people falling into him.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: As opposed to you seeing it, you're interacting with it, but it's sort of playing like an echo.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And again, you get to a house where somebody's interacting with you, but there can't be anybody there that doesn't check out, because they're not just like, oh, somebody else showed up with the same story.
Cristina: Yes. Like, how long could they live? And that's like.
Jack: So it's unique to them.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Now let's take an additional farther step. The proof that that is what's happening is that there are three moments here. There is you who exist in one instant, the family who exists in a second instant, and the girl who died before that family incident. That's why you can exit. Because the family's house is in a different thin place. That's a different echo that happened to happen however many years after the girl died.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So there just happens to be another bubble related. But they're not really. They're two different bubbles.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And you'll always fall into one. Interacting with the girl because she's where one is. And then the exit or not the exit, but just a different bubble that would just drop you back in your time. He's where the house is.
Cristina: Yeah. That is so strange. She takes you to the end of her bubble. Is beginning of another bubble. Pretty much.
Jack: Yeah. It's not even the beginning or end. Both of them are just entrances and exits. And you happen to. When you interact with her, the only way you can interact with her is by crossing in because you're not seeing her on one end. The story always happens that if you saw her, you ended up being the guy who delivered the thing. You've never not seen her outside that context. Nobody sees the lady in the white dress and not interact with her. People see the girl in the white dress in the white gown, and then they'll interact with her. But people don't see the lady in the white dress without ever interacting with her. It's almost like there's no option. There's nothing else around you at that moment, which checks out with you're somewhere else.
Cristina: Okay. I think unique.
Jack: That. Yes. That's very, very unique. I think that's definitely among them.
Cristina: So multiple echoes.
Jack: Multiple echoes playing together. That's two different bubbles. And you enter the echo space. Next one is the abandoned mental asylum, which is the typical, you know, oh, my God, something horrible happened there. But now we're in closer to home territory because maybe. Maybe something happened there. Because mental asylum, that's not about who died there. It's about what experiment was secretly being run there. We have a building, and it's haunted. And a haunted building, probably something went down. And the haunted buildings are always. What? They're always asylums where you can experiment on people. They're always prisons where you can experiment on people. It's usually where people aren't gonna miss the people.
Cristina: Those are still echoes.
Jack: Yes, but it is an echo of a place that might be one of the locations resulting in the thin places.
Cristina: Thin places.
Jack: The place matters more. That's why I didn't say the people.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: I said the place because the place here matters.
Cristina: It could also probably be a hotspot for Shadow Realm creatures.
Jack: Well, that would be a result of the place. Again, the distortion opens up all these things.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: That's why the place is what matters. Not the Shadow Realm people, not the humans that might have been tortured. There's the place. Yeah, because the place had whatever event took place that allowed for more thin places.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And assuming this is one spot with a bunch of thin places. But there is, as we know, a castle that is Suspected to have sketchy s*** happen with a bunch of thin places. There's a town. They had a bunch of thin. So an area where there might have been a group of people who settled and had a bunch of different facilities doing a bunch of different s***. And this might be one of them. Particularly because out of all the structures there, this is the second most haunted place. It has the most thin places. It has had the most sightings. Even more than the castle. Although the castle is going to be our main attraction for different reasons. This has had hundreds of sightings within a day.
Cristina: Within a day.
Jack: Within a day. Groups of people going to explore, enter, see something. Almost every hallway. Try to get away, see things outside. Only when they get far enough does it start to decrease rapidly. Rapidly. Like the closer you get mad s***, the farther you get. Almost nothing.
Cristina: How big is it? Like, how many floors? Do you know how many rooms?
Jack: No. No details. Diving into nothing. We're eventually gonna unpack that and we'll find out all those details. None of this happens. Try to get deep into nothing because.
Cristina: Right.
Jack: We got too much. We haven't even made it to the next list. We're still on just echoes.
Cristina: Whoa. Okay.
Jack: Yeah, we know. We're not diving into. There's too much.
Cristina: Interesting. All right.
Jack: That everything in here we're going to dive into at some point.
Cristina: Good, good, good.
Jack: So I definitely think this is a very important one. Just like the. The haunted lake and just like are.
Cristina: Going to visit the haunted lake again.
Jack: We're going to visit the haunted lake again. We're going to visit the lady in white again. And we're definitely going to visit this place.
Cristina: Cool.
Jack: The next one is the ghost train.
Cristina: The ghost what?
Jack: The ghost train. This is a weird one because there was never in the past railroads here. Which tells us something really interesting. There's going to be railroads there. Now, that's interesting. Because of a look could be taken through that thin place at the right angle. We would be looking forward.
Cristina: That makes sense. Like you mentioned Egyptians seeing airplanes. Like it's possible.
Jack: No train tracks. But people see the train and they hear it coming from a while away. Like maybe if you're standing next to the thin place, you can hear the. Because you're hearing the sound come through it, and then you see it for a moment. If you happen to be looking in the same. Which checks out with the descriptions. Some people see it, some people hear it. Some people briefly see it after having heard it.
Cristina: Interesting. And if they're not going to have a train there, maybe these time Bubbles are a little more complicated than we think. Like maybe another hotspot in real life has a train. And they're. They're connected in a way.
Jack: Interesting. You think wormholes within. Like it's leading. The problem is. The problem is it doesn't look like that's how it works. What you would be arguing would be that there isn't a thin place, but rather a portal to a different part of our same space.
Cristina: But I don't think you travel. I think you're still seeing through time.
Jack: I think it's the same place we have. Would you be talking about is a portal and if there is, that would be walkable. Every portal we've seen is a traversable thing. So if that's the case, then that's visible. It would always be visible. And also we know portals don't function without structure.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So it couldn't be. It couldn't be a portal. It has to be a thin place because it has to be a space time distortion. There's no such thing as far as we know, as a portal that isn't sustained by technology to the point that we've had several different people had to be taught by somebody how to build a portal.
Cristina: So how are they watching a train?
Jack: I just said it's probably a thin place looking forward forward.
Cristina: And you think in the future there's going to be a train.
Jack: Yeah. I mean, how is that any different than right now? Us seeing thin places looking through the past.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Why wouldn't that exist in the future in the same place? And we're seeing the other end of it.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Why would we be the most ahead no matter what? I think it's just as light. And it would have to be that we have just as many looking forward as we would have looking back. There's no logic as to. And if the thin places don't dissipate ever, then there's literally an infinite amount of them looking in every direction infinitely.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You know, so it would have to be tied like that. My question to that would be, are there thin places that work in such a way where this one only looks back to that time and that one only looks back to this time? So only when I'm in that time will I see it. But then there are some that are always. So I'll explain the two differences.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: There's a bubble that where I'm standing right now in 10 minutes will become visible for 10 minutes and will disappear. And it'll only ever be visible for those 10 minutes in that moment. And so somebody on the other end will only see me ever in that moment through there. Because the bubble isn't gonna sustain. I'll never be able to see the bubble again. And only them on the other end for those 10 minutes could see it. And then it's gone. So it connects 1985 at 3 o' clock to 2024 at 7pm in this one place and only in that. So forever. He saw me and I saw him and that's it. And that bubble doesn't exist. But the next minute a different bubble somewhere else. And so a bunch of bubbles are always coming in and out because the whole place is distorted. That's one situation. Another one will be. Maybe there are fixed ones. This seems to be the case. There are fixed ones that you can always look into.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So that moment you can always see, but the bubble you're looking through in might dissipate and pop up. So I walk to this spot at the bridge and I see the kid. You go to this spot, but you didn't see the kid. But then another person comes by and they do see the kid.
Cristina: So that's what it seems like.
Jack: Yeah, sometimes and sometimes not. So the bubble on this end sometimes is here, but the end it's looking at is always there.
Cristina: I would think that's how it works. Because, like, I don't. I doubt everyone ever sees the kid.
Jack: Yeah, exactly.
Cristina: See the kid.
Jack: Because then it'd be weird. Anytime you walk by that spot, like literally, that means people could get out of their cars and start taking pictures of this pass point. Yeah, but because that doesn't happen, it suggests our end is not fixed. But that end is. But it seems to be in the same spot.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: That's why I don't think there's ever been. Oh, you're seeing something else. Where the train looks like it's cutting through the woods. It doesn't look like, oh, there's a town on the other side or something.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And again, there's no structure. How would you have a portal when literally the most complicated, most sophisticated minds we've ever known about. We're trying to design these things just to get it to work. More about looking forward. Abandoned cars are seen consistently. Many. Some people have sometimes looked and seen the entire street covered with abandoned cars. And then the next second notice, there's nothing there.
Cristina: That's kind of scary. Yes.
Jack: Not only that, it tells us something quite interesting. A train is going to be seen there in the future. Civilization is going to exist there. Follow me on this. What if nothing has happened there yet. And the distortion that's going to cause a space time problem happens in the future. And the wreckage, the train, which suggests civilization, the cars all abandoned on the road, which suggests civilization. That hasn't happened yet. Those people get sacrificed. That creates the space time distortion that we now see. And that's why no matter how far back we look, we never come across it. It's always just distorted. But where's the origin?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It's because it's not happened yet. But the distortion must exist because it's through time. So the distortion is present because it's going to happen.
Cristina: It's going to happen. I think so. That makes sense. It's going to happen.
Jack: The cars, the train.
Cristina: Could be that something in the future leads to whatever's happening right now.
Jack: Yep. That's a really weird one. Right?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: The possibility that the reason we can't pinpoint what these distortions origin is is because there is no origin yet.
Cristina: Awesome.
Jack: All right, next on the list is the Haunted playground.
Cristina: Oh my God.
Jack: Which is an old overgrown playground that is said to be haunted by kids, of course. And something crying. Either a woman or some kind of animal imitating humans. Which is way horrifying. The repetition of this very echo. Disembodied. It's always in the same region. Weirdly enough, the area this tends to begin and end at are a dirt road. And where the laughter ends seems to be at the beginning of Paradise Road. And the playground is in the woods off the dirt. Paradise Road is where I took. Where me and the guys ended up. Hearing the kids laughing.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So we were exactly where we would hear kids laughing. I didn't know that was part of this.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Last time we didn't stumble upon that.
Cristina: So they're laughing by the park is.
Jack: What by a park? That's by the entrance of Paradise.
Cristina: And there's someone crying.
Jack: And there's somebody crying. The crying we did not hear. We heard the laughing children.
Cristina: Yeah. I don't know what's scarier. It's really hard. I think if you heard both, it might be less scary.
Jack: No, I think if you heard both, it's manic and more scary. Laughing and crying everywhere all at once.
Cristina: That's kind of. Yeah. But they're not sure what the crying sounds like.
Jack: Not in that area. It just sounds like something is crying. It sounds like. Kind of like a woman. But it's unclear. Which is the horrifying part about it. It's like man, it's almost like a woman. But the fact you got a question is what makes it uneasy?
Cristina: Yeah. That's way more scary than, like, children laughing.
Jack: But that ain't even the only thing crying. Because way away from there, towards the center of Clinton Road, about five miles in, there is consistently a baby heard crying in the woods.
Cristina: And they for sure know that's a baby.
Jack: That is for sure a baby screaming quite loud just in the woods. And many people have heard this one. This is among one of the most reported ones. And this is among one of the reasons people evacuate Clinton Road.
Cristina: That's so scary.
Jack: Yep. And screaming quite loud, like, come save me, like, almost is trying to get you to, oh, my God, there's a baby.
Cristina: I don't know. I would convince myself it's a crow pretending to be a baby.
Jack: The other one, people have posited that maybe there are animals pretending to cry because children might have fallen in the park or whatever.
Cristina: And they heard it because birds like to imitate sound. Yes, that's the sounds it's hearing constantly. I mean, like, what if an echo was of a baby crying or a lady laughing? Like, those are real.
Jack: And then the birds hear it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Yep. Because they would also be in proximity to the thin places. And birds fly. They could be floating in and out all the time, landing in different places they don't even know.
Cristina: And that's why you hear the thing crying. But you're not sure what that one is. But you know, there's a baby crying.
Jack: That actually makes a lot of sense. I think you just solved a lot of the noises. Because it again, birds imitate sounds. Birds fly. A place riddled with thin places. Birds flying, not seeing them, you just hear. Now you're over there now and you heard there was a park there. However long ago you heard it, you go, you're now in the past. You think you're in the same place. You're making the sounds. You heard. There's nothing there. But now kids. People hear kids laughing and baby's crying. And then you fly through the thing again. You're no longer there. Now you're in this time.
Cristina: That's so complicated.
Jack: And it's just birds, usually crows, which happen to be in woody, wooded areas and in farmland. And this is a very recluse removed kind of rural area riddled within places. A couple of flights. You're moving through time. It is easy to. I think that is a great solution for that problem. I think the sounds can't be relied on because it's probably birds imitating. And that would answer a lot. Unless There was a house somewhere near there in a different time. Which again that still holds a possibility. That in the future this place is a bunch of people with the intent to do something horrible eventually.
Cristina: Is there a kids park there currently?
Jack: Yes. Right next to Paradise Road.
Cristina: Okay. Yeah. Like it's.
Jack: The theory, seems to be my theory that Paradise Road is gonna grow and eat all of Clinton Road. Like the entirety is going to become one new town, new city type of thing.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And that's going to be sacrificed way in the future to make a different stone. And that's why it's so f****** riddled. We're talking about maybe the largest stone that exists is going to be there.
Cristina: That's crazy.
Jack: Which is why it's also the most haunted place on earth.
Cristina: Whoa.
Jack: I think the largest stone and the fact that people have seen entire wreckage as far as the eye can see.
Cristina: I would like to see that. That's so scary. But cool.
Jack: It's not right? Yeah, it is an absurd thing that could have happened. Next one is ghost carriages.
Cristina: So carriage is like the thing with the horse?
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Or that old timey.
Jack: Yes, yes, yes. Now again the fact that there doesn't seem to be something traceable far back enough. It just seems like people were using this road the same way all of time. And then sometime in the future there were people living here like a fuckton. But at the moment and looking backwards in time, it's just more empty and more empty and more empty. So something crazy couldn't have happened here with less and less and less and less and less people. But that suggests that the distortion is throughout time and that we do see into the past. Even if this did happen in the future because we do see weird s*** from the past. The kid looked old timey and the carriages are old timey. Yeah, it's just normal New Jersey being old New Jersey. But us seeing those moments because of thin places.
Cristina: But is the carriage like. Do they. They call it ghost carriage because it's like riding along by itself or something?
Jack: Yeah, it's riding on the. On Clinton Road. People when they get close enough it vanishes. And like people have gone through it scared they're gonna hit it and sometimes it's gonna crash into them and just disappears. And it's really probably just went through you and like ghosts the closer you get because they're kind of translucent. You can't really see them up close. You got to be at a distance where what with a plasma looks more concentrated. It's an echo. It seems to be that it's definite. Most definitely an echo.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And the last one is last for a reason in the echoes section and with a question mark, which is the Paradise Road cemetery. So Paradise Road Cemetery, like the playground is actually opposite sides of the playground on that same dirt road.
Cristina: Horrifying. Okay.
Jack: And the cemetery, you know, it's a cemetery, so haunted or whatever. The problem is the cemetery doesn't have a lot of people. It's a small cemetery, but the cemetery seems to have an absurd amount of activity. So it's just very, very, very active and happens to be at the same opposite side of the children. But there have been people seen there at all times, always active. Now, what we know about cemeteries is that cemeteries do. People are scared of them inherently. So this doesn't bounce off of a thin place. Because the problem here is that people do see a lot of repetition, but people do see ghosts staring right back at them. People do see ghosts trying to lure them in. Like, they look straight at them and tell them to come over here. But we've seen, when we were doing the Christmas episode, what graveyards really are. Because people are scared of them. Enough potential fear energy exists that creatures from the shadow realm do manifest there.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Okay, and so now we're getting to actual. Yes, there's ghosts there because the whole place is riddled with thin places.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But this spot actually has phantoms. It has djinn and other s*** from.
Cristina: The shadow realm there just hanging out.
Jack: Because it's fear filled.
Cristina: It's. The whole place is fear filled.
Jack: That is my next sentence. Okay, now the graveyard, extra scary. So you go to Clinton Road, you're extra scared already, and then you see that s***. Extra scary.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Now we got to make a distinction because all of Clinton Road is scary to people. And we were just talking about the echoes that people see there. But that does not mean that there isn't a bunch of s*** responding to people and a bunch of s*** that isn't there due to the thin places, but they're due to the fear. Things you can interact with, of course, of which there are more than there are ghosts. People have stories of literally getting harmed. People have physical proof in photos of. I don't know where the f*** this came from. Weird scratches that seem unnatural, Marks on their bodies, things saying their name, things talking.
Cristina: How do they know? Like, do they. I know they're not like us, but, like, does that give them special abilities? I know, like strength and whatever, but, like psychic abilities. Why?
Jack: I don't think it would make them psychic.
Cristina: Like, how would they Say your name.
Jack: I think you're with people who would say your name and they hear your name being said and they're assuring you, yeah, I'm here, too.
Cristina: Okay. Yeah.
Jack: You know who goes to Clinton Road by themselves? You're hanging.
Cristina: That's true.
Jack: Oh, I'm scared, Steve.
Cristina: We're gonna give their nicknames if we ever decide to go. Okay. We're not using our names. Do not call me by my name.
Jack: Fair.
Cristina: Because, like, I do not want to hear something say yes. Oh, my gosh.
Jack: No. It's nuts. And that is. Yeah, it's a really, really meant, often mentioned people with scratch marks. There are people who hear voices talking directly to them, saying their names. There are people who hear conversations that then stop when they're in the area and start referencing things that they're doing. It's just the weirdest f****** thing.
Cristina: That is scary.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Now, the problem we're facing is that we are 45 minutes into this episode, and I think the next section is gonna take about as long. So I think I'm not gonna do the Phantoms part. And this first part is entirely the echoes. This is kind of what I meant.
Cristina: By we're gonna be doing this for a while.
Jack: We're gonna be doing this for a while.
Cristina: And even you think past Halloween.
Jack: I think past Halloween. We have to unpack some of these things that I think are going to be full episodes of their own. Just to kind of. This is all just trying to understand the most active spot.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Why beat around looking at other places if we can understand the most active spot? The knowledge we'll get from here will trivialize everything else. It'll be too easy to understand. And I think that's going to be a healthy approach. So instead of going into these next two sections that are just already set up episodes, I think we can, now that we've gone through the whole thing, have a short discussion before we close it off about what this informs us on. So I think the things that definitely don't matter here, because everything we've mentioned here is definitely an echo.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Nothing checks out is not an echo. But the information we acquire by looking at these echoes is quite interesting. I think the boy and the bridge doesn't matter. That's literally an echo. The girl in the gown, literally an echo. There's no interaction. The hitchhiker, literally no interaction. The bicyclist, no interaction. It's when we get to the lake that we have interesting situations happening. A sustained, thin place that seems to always look at the same time or at multiple times, but is always present and you could actively choose to look through it. Interesting.
Cristina: That is interesting. And the girl with the white.
Jack: The woman, the lady in the white dress.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Hers is a different situation because it seems that way. The only place you can or the only time you see her is by.
Cristina: Slipping into the echo itself.
Jack: The echo itself.
Cristina: You have to complete whatever cycle you.
Jack: Have to do the Groundhog Day until you exit on the other end. So that's definitely something exceptionally interesting. And it would suggest that there is the possibility that there are thin places like this elsewhere that two events might be tied together.
Cristina: That's so interesting. I do think that's. That has to be another. I feel like that story has been around in other locations. Like I don't think I've heard. Like I've heard that. But not in Clinton Road.
Jack: It's funny because the original story came from Clinton Road. It was about the 1770s with people showing up. And this story took place with carriages to begin with.
Cristina: Okay. Because I'm pretty sure I've heard one that's like somewhere in the south though.
Jack: Yeah. So this place, this story originated with carriages. It's never an actual car that the original story was with. And this is also why they assume her dress looks like. The dress looks old timey and s***. And that she's out there, just typical girl. And then when you go to the house, the house is kind of like farming looking and stuff. And it's like we're. We're not that far the out there. Why is this house here? Type of vibes. So there's a lot of vibes that suggest that this is really, really, really old echo. Which would explain more how they're connected. Right. Because you give enough time from one echo to the other, there's enough gap that maybe eventually the thing happened. But the problem is how the. Did the other event happen to coincide with a person knocking on the door? Man, that's f****** weird. Unless the family of the girl is somehow involved with the s*** that's causing these thin places. There must be something, because how are they so connected to both the girl and them simultaneously? I get that. That's what's happening.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Hers is the entrance, his is the exit. But how the f***. What are the odds that her way out there and they gotta drive four miles in the opposite direction and the exit just so happens to be there?
Cristina: I don't know if we find other stories like this that'd be interesting.
Jack: That'd be interesting.
Cristina: That's unrelated but like has its own one loop thing. Yeah.
Jack: That you gotta get through it in order to get out.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That's worth evaluating. You see, that's my point. This is very interesting. We don't necessarily acquire too much information, as much as a lot of questions. Yes. But then that brings up another point and I guess it's worth mentioning this house leaves where you find the girl to her family. You know the. How her family's house is in the direction of the asylum. It's one of the closest structures to the asylum. That's a coincidence and a half.
Cristina: Yes. And that's why you think the family's involved somehow.
Jack: The family could have something to do with it. It's possible. The people in this area have always been involved. And the future is people who aren't from the area who gonna be invited for other reasons.
Cristina: Yeah. Okay. Interesting. There's something there. Maybe. I don't know.
Jack: Something there for sure. Same thing goes with the train. That's an interesting. The train in the car is really fascinating because the train in the car suggests the future civilization is going to establish here. Like a lot of people are going to move in here. But although the train tells us enough people are going to be here that we're going to add transportation, the cars tell us far enough from that point.
Cristina: Something that's gonna happen. Okay.
Jack: It's gonna get really hardcore. I think those are the things that definitely matter. I think your description of birds is genius because that does in fact solve a lot. It is. Birds do imitate sounds and this answers a lot when it comes to weird sounds in the woods. And like, this is impossible. And how. And it's like, well, birds imitate babies all the time.
Cristina: Mm. Birds are weird creatures and themselves especially.
Jack: Crows which are drowning in that area.
Cristina: So it makes.
Jack: It checks out. And they're slipping in and out of different thin places, landing in different. That all checks out. So I think out of this episode we definitely already have some topics we're gonna be looking at again, which are the haunted lake, the lady in white, the abandoned asylum, the ghost train and the abandoned cars. All of those things have to be checked out.
Cristina: What about the cemetery?
Jack: The cemetery. I don't think it necessarily has to be checked out as much as it is an interesting sp because it's both phantoms and ghosts. It's clearly things that are present and clearly things that are not. Which checks out with the Christmas episode, which people go to see their dead passed away relatives just present. And then some people are like, no, but Those things are trying to get you. And it's like, okay, both those narratives kind of fit together.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Things from the other side and things from this side at a different time. I think that is the reality of what we're looking at here. I think that's right.
Cristina: You've got a lot just from that.
Jack: Just from echoes. Echoes that are actually going to inform us on the bigger picture, because these are how these technologies have affected space, time and how they work. And understanding them might tell us a lot of ways that we can approach visualizing data from the past that we still haven't understood. Data from the present that might be too ambiguous. Information and. And perspective all working out. Yeah, I think that's pretty much it. I think that's what we're getting from this episode. So instead of. So this is part one, the menu echoes.
Cristina: Whoa.
Jack: Longest thing, I guess. Next one is part two, the menu phantoms.
Cristina: Okay. And what was part three again?
Jack: I forgot that one is just the most important stuff, the significant things.
Cristina: Oh, yeah. Dude, that's so ridiculous.
Jack: Yeah. Because what I just mentioned are things that, again, like I said, it didn't seem important at first, but maybe we'd find some gems, which we did.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: The things I know we're gonna look into are in that last section, and that's like 25 different points that are all relevant.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So, okay, these are the echoes. You guys heard that if there's anything of these that you guys think are more important or maybe you think I.
Cristina: Can see the connection that we can't. Like the echo that's leading into another echo. Like, if you can help us out with that.
Jack: Yeah, if you can think about that in any kind of manner, shape, or form, or you see patterns that we're missing, or you think we're overvaluing something and you got a way to credit it and make us remove it so we got less to look into. Yeah, all of the above. Reach out to us on our socials. You could find us at just Convopod, on Tick Tock, on Twitter, AKA X, on Facebook, on Instagram. You can't find us on YouTube or on Reddit because we've been banned from both.
Cristina: Remember to subscribe. Right. And review the show.
Jack: Yes. And word of mouth. Tell everyone about this. Any thinker you have who's into the weirdest, fringiest things. Science fiction, science, reality and fantasy, all of this. Tell them it might all actually be real, connected. Yes. Show them this so they know this.
Cristina: Has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. S.A. good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Colazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts info, art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.
