Rambling 153: Jehovah's Empire
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Where does the bible take place? How old is the Earth? How long ago were Adam and Eve created? Do the answers to these questions work together effectively or do they contradict each other and create paradoxes? The duo delve deep into the geography of the christian scriptures and the estimated times of events to determine how accurate they are and how many contradictions present themselves naturally.
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Topics Discussed:
- Reasons for Religion
- The Biblical Flood
- Noah’s Ark
- Round Earth vs Flat Earth
- Original Biblical Text
- Biblical Locations
- Adam & Eve
- Judaism vs Christianity
- Gay Priests
- Satanic Christianity
- The Tree of Knowledge
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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
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Cristina: And also this. This show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.
Jack: Yeah. So be sure to find somebody to have a lovely discussion with while listening to this. You go, you find people, you drag them into a room, chain them into a chair, and you force them to listen. And then you talk to them, whether or not they want to, as they're fear for their lives. Because America.
Cristina: Because of what?
Jack: As a. Because what?
Cristina: Oh, what was the last thing you said?
Jack: That you can tie them to a chair and force them to listen and talk to them whether they want to or not?
Cristina: Because this is America.
Jack: Because this is America, the land of the free. Do whatever you want, including imprisoning other people and constricting their freedoms. Because America. Yes, that's kind of what we do. We're America of the. We're America. Land of the free. With the most people not free more than anywhere in the world.
Cristina: That's great.
Jack: Yeah. Land of the free. Most incarcerations ever.
Cristina: Yes, that's. That's pretty horrible.
Jack: Yeah, that's the way it goes.
Cristina: But people want to fight for their freedoms to, I guess, hurt other people. I don't know. All those Karen videos, it confuses me. They are fighting for freedom, their own freedom, I think. I don't know who's stopping them, but there's someone they think is stopping them. They think the world is the difference.
Jack: Between having freedom to public rights and then going into private locations and claiming you have public freedoms in private locations. Which they do not.
Cristina: Which they do not. And they also make up laws, which I think is very strange.
Jack: Oh, well, here's the thing. People believe that other people don't know the laws. And a lot of the time they're completely right. And that if you just pretend, you know, maybe they'll.
Cristina: I think that. Yeah, that's really possible, I guess. Like, I don't know every single law, so maybe they will tell me something and I'm like, maybe I should look this up, because I don't know.
Jack: Yeah, but it should be. They should go in there and recite exactly which law. Oh, I know the law. Okay, which one is it?
Cristina: Which one is it?
Jack: You shattered the entire argument. Because they don't f****** know. They're making s*** up.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Oh, just look it up. Which one is it? I'll look it up. You know it. Tell me which one to look for.
Cristina: Yeah, because the whole. I don't know, it's always something dumb like the law says you can't use the pool or something. Like you don't even work in this place. What are you talking about?
Jack: Yeah, like this is a pool that belongs to the facility. Do you know the facilities laws? And it says you can't use a pool. Then. Then why do they have a pool?
Cristina: Then why do they have a pool? Exactly. I don't know. There was one of don't play your guitar because it will bother the pigs. Like, what law is that? That's a crazy law.
Jack: It will bother the pigs.
Cristina: I feel like she said that the music was bothering her pigs. I don't know if that's what she said, but it sounds like maybe she.
Jack: Said it was bothering her.
Cristina: I'm so sure she said she mentioned her pigs.
Jack: That's weird.
Cristina: That is weird. Maybe I'm wrong. It's probably not her pigs. But if it is her poor pigs. I don't know. They don't like. What was it? I think it was guitar music or something. Yeah, it was bothering the piggies, but.
Jack: Yeah, maybe that's what she meant. I don't know. I gotta see it.
Cristina: It's weird. It's all weird. I don't know. And the Christians that argue for that. The. I don't know. I don't know who's trying to turn their kids gay. It's the government. But it's also Hollywood. But it's also. Everyone is trying to turn their kids gay.
Jack: Only Christians believe that.
Cristina: Only Christians believe that. Yeah, but that's still pretty weird to believe. That's not a weird idea. That. I don't know.
Jack: It depends on how the idea is presented. How is the idea presented?
Cristina: How is that idea presented? I don't know.
Jack: We explain what they said so that I understand why they think it's making them gay.
Cristina: I don't know why there's two. You know about the two gay. They were penguins and they couldn't have a baby. They were trying to hatch a rock like it was an egg, but it wasn't. So they gave them a real egg and now they have a family. It's them too. And the little girl. I mean, a girl penguin, two gay male penguins and a baby female Penguin. And someone wrote a kids book about it so that kids could have that book about their story. And they're like, they're trying to make it gay, I guess, normal for their kids or something. I don't know.
Jack: Why is making gay normal a problem though? Because it's evil to make gay normal?
Cristina: Yes, because gay isn't evil. Gay equals evil, I guess. Yeah, yeah. So if you're trying to make it normal, you're doing something evil. So whoever wrote that story is an evil person.
Jack: Here's what's interesting about that. This makes me wonder if the purpose of religion is to ensure population growth. Because a lot of things focus on that. Like the whole don't let women make choices, make women do what men want. Because now we have women making choices and men are just going to jail in mass. And not to say that men don't deserve to go to jail in mass. But there's less men to spread seeds, you know? Like it seems almost tactically meant, not maliciously, but rather like let's assure the species survival. Thus religion. Because gay bad. Because gay can't make children.
Cristina: But there's plenty of straight women right now that just don't want to have children.
Jack: That's 100% true. But also, women weren't allowed to read books because educated women don't want to have children.
Cristina: Oh, dumb.
Jack: Women have 7,000 children and they want that jump on welfare.
Cristina: But that's what the Christians want.
Jack: Yeah, but just keep reproducing. Even if half of them die, just keep making more.
Cristina: Just keep making more.
Jack: The world with people the way old God wanted that.
Cristina: He want that because he destroyed a bunch of people though. He destroyed cities.
Jack: Look, God destroyed anything and everything that was right. He drowned the world. Yes, but then you wonder what the world is if everything that ever happened involving God happened in like this, a three country radius. He drowned the world. Get the f*** out of here. He drowned a small, tiny little area.
Cristina: Okay, you think everyone outside of that area were alright?
Jack: Yeah, everybody was f****** fine.
Cristina: What? How do you know?
Jack: Because everything that happened in the Bible is focused in one region.
Cristina: Oh, okay, so they wouldn't actually know if the rest of the world.
Jack: Yeah, there'd be no way to know. They didn't leave that area. They were just all secluded in one spot. And every interaction with God, the world was that one region.
Cristina: What about that boat? Like they must have looked for another place.
Jack: Then how would they know if everything is underwater? What could you look at to tell you you're going anywhere?
Cristina: But if everything Wasn't underwater. You said it was just that spot.
Jack: Right, Right, Right. They already believed everything was underwater as.
Cristina: Far as they can see the boat to like go any further. They just stayed in the hole.
Jack: Could they tell they're going anywhere?
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: Let's. Let's follow your logic. Everything around you is underwater. Even if other parts of earth are not underwater, which direction is more stuff. If everything looks like it's underwater, I.
Cristina: Don'T go follow the birds. You go somewhere. You just don't stay there. I don't know.
Jack: So the birds decide they're gonna go west. But one. Your boat doesn't have a sail. And also wind is blowing east. How you can follow the birds.
Cristina: The boat doesn't have a sail. I don't know what the boat has. It doesn't have things to move.
Jack: It was just afloat.
Cristina: It was just a float. Okay.
Jack: And if water goes up.
Cristina: Yeah. It was just to keep them there.
Jack: Yeah. It wasn't like a giant wave came and pushed the boat anywhere. It was just like. It just kept raining. It was raining. It didn't. Like rivers didn't. Over there wasn't like a crazy storm that. No, it was just equal rain everywhere for 40 days and 40 nights. That's bringing the water level up and up and up and up and up. And everything is now underwater.
Cristina: Yes. And that boat was not to sail or anything. It was just to be there.
Jack: It was there.
Cristina: Even if.
Jack: Even if, in theory you could sail it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: How are you gonna steer it? How are you gonna choose where to go? And where would you go? Which direction would you choose? And how do you know you're going that direction? You would just pick a spot and it's like that way. Is that north or east? I don't f****** know. It's that way.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And then if the boat turns gradually.
Cristina: How would you know?
Jack: How would you know? Because everything is underwater.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You'd have to wait until night to look at the North Star.
Cristina: Ah, well, maybe they should just have travel during night.
Jack: Everything is underwater.
Cristina: You got 40 days. Wait. Is it 40 days or 40 years?
Jack: I don't know.
Cristina: Whatever. A very long time on this boat. You got nothing else to do. What harm would it be to travel a little?
Jack: How.
Cristina: If it was a traveling boat. I don't know if they could. If they could travel in the boat.
Jack: Stick out tiny little paddles.
Cristina: Yes. Have the little. The alligators push them. There's only two, though. But.
Jack: So you see that image?
Cristina: Yes, I see it. And it's Confusing? Because that.
Jack: No, no, no, it's not confusing. You're confusing yourself. But I'll explain it after you talk. Go ahead and plead your case. I can prove you wrong.
Cristina: Okay. They're. They're in the edge of different continents, Right.
Jack: Those aren't established as continents yet, but. Okay.
Cristina: They're not continents.
Jack: Not yet.
Cristina: Not yet. How far back?
Jack: They weren't called continents yet.
Cristina: Whatever. The land masses. Okay, the land masses. Okay. And did those land masses disapp in this or is it just where they were at specifically that went underwater, you're saying? No.
Jack: Okay. What do you see in the center of where all this happened?
Cristina: I don't know. Water.
Jack: Right, right, right, right, right, right, right.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Now it starts raining and doesn't stop raining.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: What's going to happen to that water?
Cristina: There's going to be more water. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jack: It's going to start rising, right?
Jack: It's gonna just keep rising.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: It's kind of a bowl in there, right?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So the more, I don't know, the more everything gets buried.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And if in theory it rains for 40 days and 40 nights and you're close to the water part.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Then that's already eaten everything you know of. And that's just gonna keep filling up farther and farther. Now, if you were to fill up a tub with water.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And you could fill it up in equal parts and you put a little paper boat in the middle. Don't turn on the faucet and push from the direction that the faucet's coming in, but rather water falling equally from everywhere on top down onto the tub. And the tub starts gradually coming up, the boat is going to stay in the middle. In the middle.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So assuming the boat was inside of this general radius that we're looking at where everything took place. Right. It's directly below the Roman Empire that we are seeing these people's boat. We're right. Like, what is this? Like east of the Greek Empire? Is that what we're looking at? More or less.
Cristina: A little part of Egypt in there, Syria, Armenia.
Jack: Because we got to basically look, we're dead center between Europe, Africa and the Middle East. That's really what's happening here. So we're in West Asia, South Europe and North Africa region. The water in between, that is what we're assuming is coming upwards.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So valleys and all that crap. As water comes up, you're closer to the water. In this instance, the water starts coming up, pushing you up, starting to bury the mountains. But because the water happens for 40 days and 40 nights. It keeps building. So everything around you keeps getting buried. Keeps getting buried. So the water actually rises to the height of mountains because you're in a bowl.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So by the time it covers the peaks of mountains, you're higher than mountains at a distance that get sucked up by the curvature of the earth.
Cristina: So you think everything is covered.
Jack: You look in every direction. The curvature of the earth has swallowed. The only way it wouldn't work is if the world was flat. In which case the water level coming up would mean you can see other things. So interesting enough, the argument of Noah's Ark beats the argument of flat earth. They cannot be happening at the same time. They're mutually exclusive. Because if the water did in fact come up this high and the earth was flat, you would have seen the other parts of the earth. Because the earth was not drowned itself, but your region was drowned. Everything that happened.
Cristina: But people who read the Bible think the whole thing was drowned.
Jack: Yes, yes, yes. That's completely wrong and provably wrong. Because everything that happened in the Bible took place in this small region between these three giant continents. So it's in between Europe, Asia and Africa. In not touching all of them. It's just a small region in the middle of them. That's it. Like something that today in a car you could traverse in two days.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Is the whole world back then?
Cristina: That's pretty crazy.
Jack: That's all. That's what they called Earth.
Cristina: I was.
Jack: Earth was a two day car ride.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Everything that existed in all of time to them happened in a two day car rides distance. And if the Earth is flat, then you would immediately be able to see mountains in the distance.
Cristina: Yeah. Okay.
Jack: But the Earth isn't flat.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So after the waters pushed you over your own mountains, it looks like s***. Just disappears over the horizon. There's nothing that way. The world is drowned. Everything is underwater. But they weren't taking into account the fact that the world is not flat.
Cristina: It's not everything.
Jack: It's not everything. There's things over the horizon you cannot see.
Cristina: So this boat could not move. It's just in the middle of water.
Jack: I don't believe the ark had a sail.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Or a way to steer.
Cristina: Or a way to steer. It was just there to keep them alive.
Jack: Yeah. It was just something to stay afloat.
Cristina: All right. I don't know how the boat was also.
Jack: They couldn't. I believe they couldn't look out. They were just to be inside the.
Cristina: Boat with no windows or anything.
Jack: You Can't.
Cristina: How did they survive?
Jack: Just 40 days.
Cristina: That's not so bad.
Jack: That's not that bad. It's a month.
Cristina: It's a month.
Jack: So they didn't really need to, like, eat an absorbent amount of animals.
Cristina: No, it was like, maybe they didn't need animals. You could just have something fresh to eat.
Jack: You could just keep, like, an extra chicken.
Cristina: An extra chicken? What if they can only have two of everything or the boat drowns or something?
Jack: I doubt that they could. They probably had, like, an extra chicken and, like, an extra duck or something.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Also, we. I guess the boat technically had one of every animal.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And the argument would be again, there. When we think one of every animal.
Cristina: In the world, it was two of every animal.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, whatever. Two of every animal in the world. So it had two of every animal in the world. When we're thinking all the animals in the world, we're thinking the whole world.
Cristina: But you're saying it's animals from that location.
Jack: Yeah. And specifically the ones they knew of.
Cristina: Yes. And in some interpretations, it's three of each animals, I think. So that makes even more sense because they can eat that extra animal.
Jack: Yeah. But now they have way too many. This unnecessary space taken.
Cristina: Maybe they're greedy. I don't know.
Jack: But assuming three, right?
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Three of each one or. No, two of each one. Just two of each one.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Then we also have to keep in mind that they didn't know genetic differences back then. So it's like a wolf and a dog. They're both a dog, so only one can stay. So you're gonna. You know. You get my point. So it's not like a big variety. It's more like two of every species.
Cristina: Oh, that's sad.
Jack: No races within species. Just two of every species.
Cristina: There's no way that they were checking exactly what animals.
Jack: There's no way they could know.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: To them, every variant of a dog is a dog.
Cristina: Yeah. And the bird is a bird.
Jack: All birds. They're all birds are just birds.
Cristina: That's so many.
Jack: Yeah. So they didn't really have, like, chickens and ducks and.
Cristina: No. It would have to be the chicken or the duck.
Jack: Yeah, it's like the same s***. They look slightly different, but that's like a retarded chicken or something.
Cristina: Well, what about horse and a mule? They would have taken both. Right. Because they're both helpful.
Jack: They probably think it's the same s***.
Cristina: So I would take.
Jack: It's probably like, this is a small horse. That's a big horse.
Cristina: Yes. Let's take the small horse.
Jack: Probably a small horse. You know, more room. Yeah, take the small horses. Those horses are too big. We'll take these small horses. Makes funny noises, but, you know, it does the same s***.
Cristina: Yeah, it's more helpful, I guess. I don't know.
Jack: Interesting, right?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So it kind of makes sense. Fair enough.
Cristina: They were debating about, like, which of these animals are going to.
Jack: And, like, of course they didn't have, like, lions. Where the f*** you getting lions from? There's no lions in the desert.
Cristina: I don't know. In the pictures they put lions.
Jack: I know, but they also put in, like, giraffes.
Cristina: Yeah, they're all zoo animals.
Jack: Where in the desert is there a giraffe? When have you seen a giraffe in the Middle East? That's from the savannas of Africa.
Cristina: That's not on the tippy top, because that's what they're. That was part of. No, that was Egypt. Egypt doesn't have.
Jack: Egypt also does not have giraffes.
Cristina: They would have camels.
Jack: They would have camels. That would make sense.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Actually, it's unlikely they had horses out there. No, I guess they might have had Turkmani horses. That's fair.
Cristina: We might have horses.
Jack: They might have had horses. Yeah.
Cristina: And actually, instead of dogs, it would be. What are those awful animals?
Jack: Hyenas and s***. Those aren't dogs. They don't look like dogs.
Cristina: They don't look like dogs?
Jack: No. They look like some sort of demon.
Cristina: Yeah, they do. I don't know. I feel like they'd maybe not take those, even if they're the only kind, like, who'd want to take that on the boat. There'd be nothing on the boat.
Jack: There'd be nothing on the boat. That thing is going to. You're not going to trap the hyena. It's going to, one, outsmart you and two, eat everything, including you. So, like, they probably. There was definitely exceptions, but also, there were probably no hyenas there. No desert hyenas are also savannah. There's a lot of things we're thinking are.
Cristina: That are not.
Jack: Are there. That are just, like, African savannas?
Cristina: Oh, man. How many animals are in the desert?
Jack: It's not just a desert. It's the Middle East. Yeah, it's like, not. Most of Africa's greenery is in the Middle East.
Cristina: There are at least cows on this boat.
Jack: Yes. I think cows are global.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Yeah. I think we domesticated cows pretty early.
Cristina: No lions.
Jack: No lions. There's no. That wouldn't make sense. Now, what's interesting is the Bible's interpretations say lions, but when the. Before it's translated, when you look at these people talking about the original text, lying is one of the things that was never mentioned. That's why the Hebrews don't like to translate the Old Testament, because there's a lot of bullshit that goes on. And the original thing was not suggesting lions. It was some other different desert animal.
Cristina: Oh, okay, so they weren't lions. No, but they were mentioning real animals. They were mentioning real animals, not non real animals. I mean, like, not that lions are not real animals, but just not from there.
Jack: Yeah, that happened later when translations were made.
Cristina: We just decided to have some fun with it.
Jack: Yeah. We added things that we know exist throughout the world.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Lions, though Lions were not mentioned in the original Hebrew text.
Cristina: Yeah, no, I mean, like, why would we pick lions?
Jack: We picked everything, I guess. Again, you will see picture books and it'll show you a giraffe. Why?
Cristina: How.
Jack: How is there a giraffe on the ark?
Cristina: It's really tall. Arc. I don't know. Oh, no. I guess that would mean they'd have windows for their necks. I don't know how they would have giraffes.
Jack: It doesn't make sen. There's just dumb s*** we added to the translations. It doesn't make any sense. But for them, that's the whole world.
Cristina: That's a small, whole world.
Jack: That is a very small world. And everything that ever took place in the Bible happened in this one region, which then brings even further into question God. Right. So, okay, okay, okay. So one ark disproves flat earth, or flat earth disproves the ark. One is destroying the other. They're mutually exclusive. You can't have them both.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Second, everything that ever happened with God happened in a region perhaps smaller than 1% of the Earth.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: This is such a strong argument.
Cristina: Multiple gods for multiple gods.
Jack: You're telling me that this guy's total reach was only this one place? And it's all taking place way later than the Greek empire. Much, much, much later. Much later than the Greek empire that stood. So Zeus was around way longer and had a greater reach than Jehovah. Who wants to claim he is the one and only God?
Cristina: How big was that area? Was that even that big empire? Yeah. Was that really that big? Like, what if we looked at all these empires that are not that big? Like, is there any really that big?
Jack: Okay, so looking at this, you can see that the Greek empire is actually a little further East. It's taking up some similar areas, but it's the eastern part. While the Roman Empire is the dead.
Cristina: Center, it's hard to tell which one is the bigger because there's like four different empires we're looking at.
Jack: It looks like collectively the Greek Empire is significantly larger than the Roman Empire. Like, it looks significantly larger because you can see that the lake at the center is way smaller when you're looking at the Greek Empire. And the map is already larger, so it should be that the water is also bigger. So we have a larger map than the Roman Empire. And the Roman Empire has the lake expanded, and you can still see the entire Roman Empire surrounding the water.
Cristina: The Roman looks like the smallest, though.
Jack: Yeah. The Roman is circling the entirety of the lake in the middle, while the Greek Empire is to the east of this lake.
Cristina: Then there's the Babylonian one and the Middle Persian. Those looks pretty big.
Jack: It's funny because the Babylonian Empire, I guess, is predating the Greek Empire. Is that correct?
Cristina: Doesn't have a timeline on these pictures.
Jack: It has for the Babylonian. I can't actually see where it says it for the Greek Empire, but it's significantly smaller and it's actually within the Greek Empire. You can see if you look over here, this part is the Babylonian Empire. That's what we're seeing up here. So it's just this piece right here. So the Greek Empire s******* on the Babylonian Empire by quite a bit. And then following the. In order, we can say that first is.
Cristina: That's got to be the biggest, right?
Jack: No, it's in order because this stops right here. This is that part.
Cristina: This is further up. No, that's up to here. This is.
Jack: This is that. This is that. And then it stretches downward for how long?
Cristina: Okay, yes.
Jack: So we have the Babylonian Empire being the large, the smallest, then the Persian Empire being the second largest, then the Roman Empire being the third largest, and then the Greek Empire being a colossal monster by comparison.
Cristina: Yes, yes.
Jack: Or you can say, distribution wise, that the Roman Empire and the Greek Empire are roughly the same. Okay, so Zeus, Jehovah, all these people are just basically in the same region.
Cristina: So it's just religions fighting for the same spot.
Jack: They're fighting for the same spot. What they consider the entire world was one tiny little spot.
Cristina: It really was. Okay, it was.
Jack: It was just one area.
Cristina: It's not even a battle of religions. This is a battle of books.
Jack: It's a battle of books. They're all trying to force each other's beliefs onto one another. What it's not even like anything particularly amazing. It's really, really small area compared to the world activity compared to the world.
Cristina: Yeah. And everyone else had their own thing anyway.
Jack: Yeah. So we're talking that while these people are over here doing this whole f****** mess, Shinto happened.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And people are over there believing in nature and spiritualism in the Native American tribes happened. And they're also thinking that the land is talking to them. And alive. We have Norse mythology coming in kind of late because Norse mythology comes after Greek mythology by quite a substantial amount. It's like 3,000 years before Norse mythology. And we know that the Greek Empire and the Roman Empire were kind of going head to head. Right. This is a weird, f***** up mess of s*** happening in the same area. And they called it the world.
Cristina: And they called it the world. That's the important thing.
Jack: Yes. They called it the world.
Cristina: Yes. So are these it?
Jack: It seems like, in my opinion, there were a lot of angry demigod brothers and they were like, this is my dirt. No, it doesn't matter. Doesn't matter.
Cristina: They were all fighting for the same.
Jack: Dirt or there's no such thing as a f****** God. And a bunch of people had just bunch of different explanations to how everything happened. There was probably one origin story, and considering that the oldest one of all of these is Greek mythology, they probably all just stole that s***.
Cristina: I don't know. Is that the oldest in the world or you're just saying in this area.
Jack: In that area.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: It's the oldest in that.
Cristina: In that area. All right.
Jack: It's creating the world, all that. No, no, Again, their world is that area.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: They don't know that there's anything else to them. This is all that has ever existed.
Cristina: And that's what their books are telling.
Jack: Them that their stories are. Yeah. Their books are telling them about justice area and that this is everything and that God only exists here.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Maybe it's even telling them if they. The people who do live on the edge, and they're like, wait, that way is everybody? What the f*** is that way? The books are probably telling them outside of God's land is h*** or some s*** like that, you know?
Cristina: Yes, yes.
Jack: You don't dare leave the sacred land, else you face demons and whatever.
Cristina: And then they were like, we're gonna do that, though. That's how St. Patrick's came to be. He wanted to fight those demons.
Jack: That is so later.
Cristina: That is so later.
Jack: That is way later.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: We're talking way at the start. This is like BC type Of s***.
Cristina: Oh, that is way.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You talking about some s*** that happened a couple of days ago. St. Patrick was just recent as f***. That guy was like what, 300 years ago maybe. Mmm, that might be a stretch. He might have been like 200 years ago.
Cristina: 200.
Jack: St. Patrick wasn't that long ago, was he? Holy s***. No, St. Patrick's was. He was in the deep end, bro. Wait, so come on. Oh, s***. He's from the Roman.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Okay, so then. Yo, they were blatantly lying to their people, bro. They were blatantly lying to their people. How the f***? You both have. Everything that's ever happened, related to God only happened in this one little bubble. And St. Patrick is like, also, I know there's people up there in like Europe.
Cristina: They know about those people then.
Jack: What, they're all demons or something in there?
Cristina: Yes, that's why he went over there.
Jack: So wait, wait, wait. He didn't think those were people?
Cristina: No, he thought those are people worshiping demons and stuff. Like all the whatever gods they are, those are just the devil and. Yeah.
Jack: So they were friends. Definitely aware of other. Interesting, interesting.
Cristina: Of course they knew everyone else had religions and all those religions were led by the devil, I guess.
Jack: This is so crazy because you're telling me, dude, this is like right after Jesus. This is right after Jesus. Oh, that. It's like there are all. Everything's already mega pop. The Earth has already been fully populated. That's hardcore. That's beating all these f****** arguments of everything started here. That's kind of impossible at this point.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: If the earth is 5,000 years old one, that means we're starting with the Greek Empire. That is only 3,000 years BC. So we're starting at the Greek Empire. So arguably they've got the universe started right there.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Then Zeus is right. By your own Bible. Zeus made everything.
Cristina: If we got to go with that timeline.
Jack: Yeah. If we're going by the 5,000 year old timeline. Zeus, not Jehovah.
Cristina: Yeah. Oh. Ow.
Jack: Yeah. Because Jehovah came. The Bible talks about Jehovah creating everything, but even the stories in the Bible's Old Testament are happening thousands of years after the creation. So.
Cristina: Yeah. So the only part that's happening is the creation story and then it starts way in the future.
Jack: It starts where there's people and crap.
Cristina: Yeah. Oh, okay.
Jack: Like Adam and eve was not 3000 BC.
Cristina: No.
Jack: That would be crazy, right?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Okay, okay. This angered me. This. Okay, okay, let's break down the logic of the Christian Bible right now. According to Christians, the Earth at this moment, according to Bible, the Old Testament and the New Testament and all the data that they are extracting, I say all loosely at this point, the earth is 6,000 years old. Okay, in the ballpark I was assuming about 5,000, but you know, I'm a thousand years off. Whatever. So the Earth is Greek mythology, old and about. That's it. That's it. Just Greek mythology old, according to the Christian Bible. But also the Earth and everything in the universe. Yeah, and everything in the universe that age, somehow. Somehow according to the Bible, Adam and Eve are 10,000 years ago. So we had 4,000 years of Adam and Eve and then Earth, I guess. So not only does that make zero f****** sense.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But that is entirely based on them existing during the Mesolithic era. Not following the logic of the Bible, science.
Cristina: The science.
Jack: Because science goes ahead and tests them, you know, human DNA to see where the beginning of DNA evolution crosses over to our current genealogy. And that's where things get a little fuzzy because it suggests that somewhere between 120,000 to 156,000 years ago would be the birth. So there's a ginormous f****** discrepancy between Adam and Eve and humans gene evolving into human as there is today. So science is just saying, no f****** way. Like 9,000 years. We have been what we are for too long by that point.
Cristina: Yeah. And unless they're not the first humans.
Jack: That would be the first humans, which would make perfect sense if we had somebody around the time of Jesus, which is not that far from the creation of time, travel way the f*** away from where everything is allegedly taking place, and see nothing but other people.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: That would make, you know, f****** sense. That would be just logical.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Who knew? That would be just logical that maybe humans have been around long enough to spread. So when you leave the place where you think everything is taking place, you see people.
Cristina: See people. Like, what do you mean?
Jack: When he went to Europe.
Cristina: When he went to Europe, Yeah. Wait, you talk about St. Patrick now.
Jack: St. Patrick goes to Europe.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And he sees people.
Jack: That's because they're needed to be people giving birth to people.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Thus there must have been people.
Cristina: Yes, yes.
Jack: Hence there must have been people there. Yes, yes. So people ahead of people equaled people being there to begin with. Not just I traveled out and saw. Unless by their understanding the universe and other gods. Man, they had to believe in other gods. They had to believe in other gods. That's the only way. Because they believe God made their understanding of the world. And then he travels out and he sees other people that weren't made by God.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Those people are sinners. They weren't made by God.
Cristina: No.
Jack: And they're worshiping other things, other gods. And God himself says, you hold no other gods before me.
Cristina: I definitely know there's other gods and you should know.
Jack: At some point it got twisted and turned. I'm assuming Christianity did it. Christianity killed the other gods. Not literally killed them, but they tried to suppress the existence of other gods because Old Testament God is fully aware of that. There are other gods.
Cristina: Yeah, yeah.
Jack: It's New Testament God. That's just. No, there isn't.
Cristina: And that's when Christianity is from. So, yeah, they decided. No, they just decided.
Jack: Which is interesting because the Jews are kind of agnostic to some degree with a lot of things. Like there's the. The Orthodox Jews, but the, like, well established version of Judaism has a very agnostic, well, kind of attitude to a lot of things. Things like heaven and h*** and like that.
Cristina: They're like, I don't know, what about multiple gods? Are they like.
Jack: I'm thinking the logic behind it is the God that made us is the God we worship.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And if there are other gods, too bad they didn't make us.
Cristina: Yeah. That's just pretty simple rule. We follow him.
Jack: Simple. Very logical, man. The Jews understand the juicer, right? Aren't they, like, they've got it at least. Maybe not as to whether there is a God or there are gods or if that's even the right path of thinking. But their approach to God makes perfect sense. Anything that's beyond our comprehension. We're not gonna pretend we know. Which the Christians love to do. They have all the assumptions.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: The Jews are like, I don't know, evil.
Cristina: And we need to destroy it.
Jack: Yeah. Jews don't. Like, I don't. Maybe you go to h***, dude. I don't know. That's. I don't know who told you that.
Cristina: That's why they're Christian number one enemy.
Jack: Yeah. 100%.
Cristina: Their attitude is so different.
Jack: Yeah. They're chill. They're like, it is what it is.
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: Like, when we die, we'll find out. Yeah, well, yeah.
Cristina: And they're like, no. They're bullying everyone. Like, no. You do know what happens. Fire.
Jack: Yo. It's crazy, right? That's nuts. So they. It's nuts. It's nuts because everybody. The. The one fault they all have is they're pretending that everything took place in one spot. Then again, maybe the Jews Weren't doing that. That sounds very Christian to me, that the Christians are like, you know, the world got drowned. But it's like, you know, things where.
Cristina: That's why they don't try the translation thing.
Jack: The translation.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Yes. And also, we know that the flood didn't actually mean flood because that was added in the translation.
Cristina: That did. Yeah.
Jack: That was part of the translation. I mean, we. We looked at this before. We had gone through this. We never talked about it on the show. But you and I have personally gone through this before. That. That is not actually in the Hebrew Bible. It's not in the Hebrew text. Scriptures do not talk about a flood in that way.
Cristina: How many things, though, were. Do people think are there that aren't really there?
Jack: A lot. The problem is people don't learn Hebrew and then go read the thing. They trans. They trust somebody's translation.
Cristina: They trust somebody. They're not even reading the Bible.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Pastor. Reading into them.
Jack: So there's an easy way to break apart what's happening between Judaism, Christianity, that. Until now, that I've thought about how ridiculous the Christian branch of this is. And I've always knew it was ridiculous, but it always just gets more ridiculous when you think about it, which is Christianity is a hundred percent a religion without philosophy.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Judaism is equal parts religion and philosophy.
Cristina: And what about other religions? Are they also with their own philosophies or.
Jack: Many times they try to offer philosophy at least. And we know things like Shinto and Buddhism are purely philosophical with total lacks of religion.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So there are many different aspects to this. And we know Judaism might be the most balanced version or a spectrum. Yeah. Because there's definitely ways of thinking about spirituality without having to have faith included and without having to have ritual included. Thus you have spiritual philosophy, then you have a combination of spiritual philosophy and religious tradition. And then you have spiritual religion, which is Christianity, actually, minus the spiritualism.
Cristina: They like to use the word spirit.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Spiritual.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because they're not inclusive, while Jews kind of are like, you know, it is what it is. It's just one God. Like, I'm not gonna judge you for not following the God. You do what you got to do. But I'm gonna follow the God because I believe he made me.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: While Christians are like, you're going to f****** h***, bruh. Because you ain't following what I believe.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: It's like, whoa, dude.
Cristina: Going to h***. And stop turning my kids gay.
Jack: Yeah. Stop turning all the kids gay, man. Are the people who believe the frogs are turning Gay Christian, too.
Cristina: Of course they. The same person.
Jack: Like, basically the idea here is if you believe in a conspiracy theory that seems to be completely absurd, you might.
Cristina: Be Christian, she might be Christian, Might be.
Jack: Because Christianity is a conspiracy. It's the conspiracy.
Cristina: It's the biggest conspiracy of all. Of all. Yes.
Jack: It's lying to the people as to how big Earth was. Lying to the people about how long Earth has been around. It's lying to people about what happens after death. It's lying to people about what God wants. It's lying to people about how God wants it.
Cristina: It's lying to people about. I don't know. I guess today the government, celebrities, everyone's against you, everyone's an enemy. Everyone's trying to turn a kid gay. Except for the pastor, obviously.
Jack: The only one who's. He's trying.
Cristina: He's.
Jack: He's the only innocent one.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: You gotta understand, Christina, you're. You're thinking of.
Cristina: He's the one that's telling them that this is happening.
Jack: Yes. Look, he. His hands have been purified by God himself.
Cristina: So when he touches those kids, when.
Jack: He touches those kids, it's not gay and it's not a sin. He's purifying childex so that when. So when they. Their wives in the future, they are their wives with purified dicks that are going to have sinless children so long as they don't have premarital sex after their. Their. Their child dicks touch priests hands.
Cristina: Can you say those two words together?
Jack: Child dicks and priests hands.
Cristina: Yes. It's so horrible.
Jack: Yeah. This is the reality of the matter. Christians truly believe that when a pastor puts a little child willy in his mouth, he's making this child more innocent. And the reason the kid is scarred in the future as a result is because he's been so purified, the demons are working their way out. And we're witnessing that happen. Christianity.
Cristina: And there's also priests that are like, oh, if the child's confused, don't give him to LGBT members because then they'll confuse them even more.
Jack: You give them to the priest who usually deals with kids like this anyways.
Cristina: Nah. He wants them to go to Christian families to turn them straight.
Jack: No, you gotta take. You gotta take your kid and be like, look, so you're telling. You're telling me your kid is showing signs of wanting to touch other people's privates. I know exactly how to solve this problem. You need to trust the church with your child and leave him here. We're gonna purify him. And the first thing the priest. The priest does is tell the kid, look, my d*** is God's d***, and you like touching dicks. So by touching my d***, you're gonna reverse your love of dicks. And as a result, you're gonna be cured. You just gotta touch my d*** the way you touch their dicks and you know, magic. Magic that's so horrible, it's like rubbing a magic bottle.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: You're gonna rub until the genie comes out. And when the genie comes out, you're gonna watch me start speaking in tongues and shudder as the spirit of God enters my body. And you know at that moment that you've done the right thing and you are not.
Cristina: I'm God is the difference of those. God is people who are possessed. They seem almost the same.
Jack: I don't know, maybe they're like in. You know, it's like those people who. They believe, oh, my God, I'm having a heart attack. And they believe it so viscerally that they have a heart attack.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Like these people who are over here, like, the spirit of God is in me. They believe it so much that it. They're. To them, it's happening.
Cristina: Yeah, but it looks a lot like a person.
Jack: An o*****. Well, maybe that's the feeling they believe is happening.
Cristina: I was thinking of someone who's possessed. Like the whole speaking in tongues thing and whatever. Aren't they speaking and stuff?
Jack: That is kind of diabolical, right? That goes up there with the. The whole. Eating flesh, drinking blood, making sacrifices even. I love that meme of lamb's blood because it tells God which are the right kids to kill.
Cristina: Horrible.
Jack: Yeah, but like all of that weird s***, you know that, like, God is pretty diabolical when you think about it. But then God shows up and he enters your body and the first thing you do is sound like a demon, Bro, maybe. Maybe we're wrong about what we think Christianity is and we're over here accusing these people. You guys worship Satan. And it's like, is Satan calling everybody else Satan?
Cristina: Is it? Yeah.
Jack: He's just running around saying, I'm God, you're Satan. But it's like, no, bro, but. But you. You kill the children. You wanted first you needed an animal sacrifice. F*** that guy's crops. You needed blood. So, yeah, f*** it if they kill each other. I like your dead animal more.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Also, I need you.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: To drink blood. And I need you to eat flesh. Also, I'm gonna eat your firstborn. I'm gonna just show up the houses and Kill.
Cristina: First born a bloody X on my door.
Jack: Yes, you. If you already sacrifice an animal for me, then I'm not gonna kill your kid. But if you don't want to kill the animal, well, I'm gonna kill the kid.
Cristina: That's cool.
Jack: And like, you know, when I enter your body, never mind the fact that you scream in tongues and your voice gets deep and you shudder and you speak backwards and stuff, it's by no means that I'm the devil. No, no, no, no, no. That's just what it sounds like when I'm around to try and trying to confuse you, man. You're gonna who? You're gonna listen to me. Have you ever seen the devil? I. I have. I know what he is, and it's not me. I'm God.
Cristina: What does the level look like? Is he the lizard person?
Jack: He's the snake. He's. He's just blaming. He's just picked a f****** random thing. He's like, that's. That's the devil that things. The devil's like, bro, isn't that just a snake? No, no, no, it's the devil. I'm telling you. You're gonna question me. I'm God. That's the devil. But where'd you even come from, bro? Day? Are you questioning me?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And the snake is like, bro, just eat the f****** fruit and you're gonna know truth. Just f****** eat the fruit, bro. He's like, no, that's the devil.
Cristina: How did that snake move that snake, though?
Jack: And then that snake ate the fruit. And he was like, d***, that's a devil, ain't he? I gotta tell these people to eat that fruit, bro. And he's like, no, no, that's the devil. Don't you listen to that stupid snake. They did eat the fruit.
Cristina: That's ridiculous.
Jack: But they didn't eat the whole fruit.
Cristina: What do you mean?
Jack: They were taken. They got caught in the act.
Cristina: Did they?
Jack: Maybe you have to finish the whole fruit.
Cristina: How do you know they got caught in the act? I don't know.
Jack: The story says in the Bible they were caught eating the fruit.
Cristina: I don't know. No, they. She was caught giving it to him, so she probably ate more than him.
Jack: Hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up. I don't remember this clearly. It's been a while.
Cristina: But first Eve, she took. She ate the apple. Then she was like, oh, my gosh, this is awesome. I should show this to Adam.
Jack: Interesting. Did Adam bite the fruit or did he grab the fruit? I don't remember if he actually. He bit. Right. He at least took a little bit.
Cristina: He had to.
Jack: But they didn't eat the whole fruit. It should have been a whole fruit for you. A whole fruit for you. Knowledge. They were stopped just in time to not be able to tell that God is the devil.
Cristina: You think if they ate enough, they would have tell.
Jack: They would have seen that it's the tree of knowledge. The information that this being does not want them to have is in the one tree that he said you cannot eat from.
Cristina: Mm, sorry. Disturbing.
Jack: And then from that point forward, he wants sacrifices or he's gonna kill your children and you have to eat flesh and you have to drink blood. And anytime he's inside of your. You're gonna behave like a demon has possessed you.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And thus the story of how God came to be.
Cristina: So he's some kind of demon.
Jack: He's some kind of demon. He might be actually the devil. Christianity itself, not Judaism.
Cristina: And some of those stories are Jew.
Jack: The original Old Testament is Judaism. Yes.
Cristina: But some of the stuff that God wanted, all those things that was from the first book too. That was specifically the first book, is when God was asking for things and everything.
Jack: Interesting, interesting.
Cristina: The second one, he's not really.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. God is taking a vacation or something. Interesting. Here's my question about that. Because, okay, the Jews are following the devil, which is the same God that the Christians believe they're also following later. But then God became Jesus. And then we killed Jesus.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Did God really die? And we're like, no, he's still there, but it's like, bro, he kind of hasn't been around since, like. Like we were saying he was God. And then we killed him. And then there was kind of like no more God stuff happening ever again.
Cristina: Maybe he was tired of this. He was like, okay, I'm over this.
Jack: You think it was suicide? Like, he was like, I know they're going to kill me, but f*** it.
Cristina: Yes. I think that was a go. He's like, yeah, I know I'm going.
Jack: To have a short life, but interesting, interesting. We're like, we killed Jesus and that purified our sins. Right? So God becomes Jesus, and him knowing he's gonna be killed. In being killed, his goodness gets spread it just everywhere, all at once. I guess we'd have to blow him up.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: We need, like, dynamite inside Jesus in order to spread his.
Cristina: So you destroyed him the wrong way.
Jack: We destroyed him the wrong way.
Cristina: All right.
Jack: Because his goodness needs to spread out. It needs to rain upon the Innocent bystander to washing.
Cristina: So God was a demon and then he became a human because he was tired of messing with us and he let us kill him because he knew that's how it was gonna end.
Jack: Or. Or whoa, what is it? Whoa. Maybe God was a demon. That's. That checks out really hard. That checks out real hard. But Jesus wasn't.
Cristina: He's not related.
Jack: No, but the demon convinced him he was. He was just a f****** kid, bro. He was just a kid.
Cristina: But then why. Why was that the last prank or whatever?
Jack: Because that was the actual God that nobody ever saw. Let's. Let's rewind back to the beginning. He didn't make Adam. He didn't make Eve. We've already established that. It kind of seems like there's not just Jehovah, but others.
Cristina: Okay. Yeah.
Jack: And that chances are Jehovah himself was put. Yeah, he was put in the garden. He didn't make the garden. He didn't know how the garden worked.
Cristina: There was a creature in the garden.
Jack: There was a creature in the garden. We called him God.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And he somehow stopped whatever the other thing that was meant to watch over things was and trapped that thing.
Cristina: And you're saying that thing is Jesus?
Jack: That thing is Jesus. Or he turned that thing into Jesus so that it was pure goodness. And his joke was you're gonna go down there and die like the things you made.
Cristina: He somehow tricked the thing over him.
Jack: No.
Cristina: Or some other things like him.
Jack: Other thing like him.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: He's Loki and Loki has his Thor.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And so the Thor in this case is who we think we're referring to when we say Jehovah. But actually we're talking about Loki, who's the entire Old Testament and all the crazy s*** that happened and the want for sacrifices and you drink blood and you do this and you do that. And I'm gonna eat your firstborn because. Haha.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Right? And then Jesus happens, but Jesus is really just whatever the h*** was really supposed to be here first. That he somehow stopped from doing his job. And then as his last haha, f*** you turned him into Jesus immortal that's gonna be murdered.
Cristina: So they end.
Jack: Dipped.
Cristina: They both dipped though. Or he really died. Whatever that other.
Jack: Yeah, he really died. He just like stripped him of power and made him human. He's like, here you go.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And then just like, I got your power and I got my power and I'm out, cuz. This is boring now. Yeah, I've been doing this for like 3,000 years. Mount.
Cristina: Guys, I don't know, cuz Jesus was supporting him through the whole thing.
Jack: Jesus had no idea.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: Jesus was born a normal person.
Cristina: So the thing. So there was a thing in Jesus?
Jack: No, no, no, no, no. Jesus was the other thing.
Cristina: But he didn't know that.
Jack: He didn't know that. He lost his powers. He lost his memory. He was wiped out. He was turned into a mortal.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: It's like if you were to take one of the Greek gods powers, you.
Cristina: Could turn into mortal and erase their memories and everything.
Jack: Yeah, just. You are now just born. You were born from day one.
Cristina: Alright?
Jack: You're not born and you're just like Benjamin Button, just talking English and s***. Full knowledge and crap.
Jack: No, he was a hundred percent just a kid.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Then we killed him.
Cristina: And then we killed him. Then that's the end of the story.
Jack: The end.
Cristina: Yeah, that sounds right. I don't know.
Jack: Seems legit, right?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: How interesting. I'm way too fascinated by the fact that. More than definitely, like there's more than one 99% chance Jehovah's the devil. Or a demon at least.
Cristina: Demon. A demigod. A demigod could be evil. Yeah, it's neutral.
Jack: It's neutral. So he's not omniscient anything, it's just some other being that makes like he's bad sometimes.
Cristina: Yeah, but they're all bad sometimes.
Jack: Yeah, like Zeus will murder people.
Cristina: F*** yeah.
Jack: They do stuff.
Cristina: He fits.
Jack: That fits. And he loves sacrifices. So did Zeus. They love sacrifices. They all love f****** s***. Sacrifice and murder to them and crap. I'm gonna kill your firstborns. Or you kill a goat. You kill a goat. Give me some blood. Or you.
Cristina: I'm going like a prank or something. Like it's all just like haha. What can we convince them to do? That's so dumb.
Jack: No, I think it's about loyalty.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: I think it's. You're gonna kill the goat to prove to me that you believe me and that you follow. Well not believe me because you know I'm here, but that you follow me.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Or I kill your kid.
Cristina: Harsh. Okay. Simple loyalty. Loyalty about loyalty, demi thing.
Jack: Zeus also loves loyalty. It's about loyalty. And he will murder over loyalty.
Cristina: Yeah, they all have their temples and whatever.
Jack: Yep, yep, yep. 100% fascinating man. Does argument for a twisted, psychotic, Loki esque demigod is like real hard on that.
Cristina: I think that's the winner. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jack: Especially when people have the spirit of God. You basically just became the Exorcist.
Cristina: Yes, I don't know, it lasts so much shorter that they're like, it's. It's fine. I don't know.
Jack: It's weird with normalize, huh? Anyways, running out of time here, but if you guys enjoyed this conversation, there are a copious amount that. Of conversations of this exact type and nature here on the podcast you can find many, many, many. And we're basically just refining some thoughts we've had. But we've never really discussed how tiny the area in which everything in the Bible takes place.
Cristina: Like, it's so ridiculous.
Jack: So small you could drive across that s*** in a day. That's crazy.
Cristina: That's crazy.
Jack: Yeah, that's. That's everywhere God and Zeus were.
Cristina: And somehow Adam and Eve were created before the world was.
Jack: The world is 6,000 years old, but Adam and are 10,000 years old. So resolve that, Christians. Anyways, you can find all that additional stuff where we talk about how much we love God and Jehovah and, you know, this is the Christian podcast where we just talk about how much faith and love we have in God. So, you know, you can find all that stuff on the official website greatthoughts.info or on Apple Podcasts or Spotify or anywhere you get your podcasts, really.
Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok @JustConvopod.
Jack: Yes. And don't forget to rate, review. Subscribe all of the above to the podcast. You know, subscribe to podcast, obviously, if this is your first episode, make sure to subscribe so you get all the new ones. Make sure to leave us a rating based on whether you liked what you heard, whether you were informed. Are you woker now?
Cristina: Are you woker? Are you Put some cross emojis in there?
Jack: Actually, no. Put a goat and then. Oh, yeah, I guess you put a little X. Put a little X right after you put a goat emoji, because you kill the goats and they put a child. So you put a goat, you put an X, and then you put a little kid at the end.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.
Jack: And then that'll tell us that you. You listen to the episode.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Should we start posting these with those?
Cristina: That would be so cool. Yes, that makes sense. Yes. Awesome. Yeah, Our reviews are gonna be covered in random emojis.
Jack: Yeah, man, that's dope. And yeah, so make sure to put.
Cristina: Coast with that stuff and let someone who might like this show know about it.
Jack: Yes. Word of mouth is the most overpowered thing that exists in all of the universe. And apparently the universe is, like, 300 miles. So, yes, you know, like, whatever.
Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening. Bye. Weird. Let's go. Are they jumping through pictures? How are they coming to us?
Jack: Interesting.
Cristina: They're not, like, from this, are they?
Jack: No. This is an interesting point. This is a very interesting point that you bring up, because then the question is, are we to think of heaven like a painting? Like, is it this other space that is not? Like, it's the painting in the Roadrunner in Wile E. Coyote situation?
Cristina: I feel like we're the painting. I would have imagined heaven to be a gallery of paintings.
Jack: Oh, f***. See, here's the problem. Here's a problem with that.
Cristina: What?
Jack: You're assuming that. Well, in any case, what God are you talking about? That's which version of heaven. If you're referring to, like, Jehovah heaven, then why would it be a gallery and not just a now?
Cristina: A now?
Jack: Like, they have one moment the same way we have one moment. They share one moment. Yes, God exists always and forever, but also we are being visited. Or there's a narrowness and we're always going in one direction.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So their time is our time. There's not a gallery. There's a single painting, and it's called Earth.
Cristina: Well, the other paintings represent other realities.
Jack: Well, this is my problem. If you're talking Jehovah, that's not the case. Oh, because we're talking, like, Christian God and Earth is the only thing that matters. Blah, blah, blah, blah. You'd be talking about some sort of elevated version of religion. In that case, then, yeah.
Cristina: Oh, okay. Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo, and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.