Rambling 250: The Shadow Gods
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Where did Abraxas take all the stolen data? What did Lucifer do after leaving the Garden of Eden? Who is and who isn’t an Elysian? The duo deep dive into the Elusive Shadow Gods formerly known as Moon Gods and the little that is known of them in an attempt to understand what their research was aimed at accomplishing.
Episode Details
Topics Discussed:
- Lucifer for the People
- Elysians
- Lilith and the Adam Stone
- Cloaking Technology
- Nephilim
- Abraxas the Traitor
- Shinto Gates
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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.
Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.
Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today we have something very interesting, something we've been looking for for a very long time. And I've been only piecing small things together as we have worked towards finding out about this. So first, we know that Abraxas from the Garden of Eden. No, Abraxas is from the Sun Gods. Abraxas from the Sun Gods. He's the one who left.
Cristina: Okay, I remember that. All right. He left. Yep, yep. He went to the Shadow Room.
Jack: Yeah. And he took a copy of all the data.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And we know that Lilith, after she was restricted from accessing her research and from accessing the Garden of Eden labs, herself left.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And she left with somehow. And Lucifer, after his argument with Jehovah about no longer spreading out the knowledge and the technology, also left. Now, a long time ago, about a year ago, we established that there was another group that chances are Abraxas was leaving to. And so we dubbed that the Moon Gods, if you remember, because he left. The Sun Gods.
Cristina: Okay?
Jack: And by this time, we still didn't. We weren't sure what the Garden of Eden was. We thought that was either a place or something. And it turns out that the Garden of Eden was the name of the research group, so we didn't know the Garden of Eden name as a research group. And we didn't know what to call the, quote, Moon Gods, as we dubbed them. But just as we found that the Garden of Eden is the name of the Elysian researchers, well, I have found some lovely things about the Moon. About the Moon Gods. I found a bunch of text, you know, slowly piecing together things and the image slowly building up. So today, what we're going to be looking at is formerly known as the Moon Gods. And it was so obvious in front of our faces the entire time. It's the Shadow Gods.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: They just referred to as the Shadow Gods everywhere.
Cristina: Well, I wasn't expecting that. Yeah.
Jack: So much simpler than the Moon Gods.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So it's just a coalition. Now this. I guess we're gonna have to really discuss what we think is happening with these guys because I don't really know.
Cristina: You don't know. You know, that they're working on something.
Jack: Well, we're going to. We're going to find out. So we're going to revisit some of the people we're quite familiar with. And like we've been doing with all the research groups, we're just going to go down all the members of the research group.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: One by one and talking about them. So we're going to begin with Lilith. Lilith is originally from the Shadow Realm and joined the Garden of Eden research team. Now, what's interesting about this is the conflation of time that we still have to figure out because she was restricted from working on the Garden of Eden after she used the Philosopher's Stone Adam. But those events happened a long time ago, before the creation of modern. Like even before the existence of the Garden of Eden, as we're thinking about it with Nahas and Jehovah and all these people. That's happening back then in El's time.
Cristina: Yes. Okay.
Jack: So did she do it again? Is something I was trying to flip over in my head. This happened once before.
Cristina: Did she do what again?
Jack: She used Philosopher's Stone Adam that now resides in the Garden of Eden. So she used it before and then she used it again. Maybe that's what happened. And then Jehovah was like, nah, you got a pattern here. Leave. Because we're aware of her getting kicked for it by Jehovah, but the first time it was used was during El's time, not Jehovah's time. As a shadow person, she has a different form of, like, how life works for her and how long she could live. So, yes, feasibly could have been in both places, but was this a second time? And that's when she got kicked.
Cristina: I think she did it twice.
Jack: I think she did it twice. I think when it happened with Elle, it was fine because it was part of whatever they were trying to do.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: When she did it again, it was not fine because it was part of something different. We don't use that for that anymore. And you still used the thing that way or whatever the case may be.
Cristina: Yeah, that makes sense.
Jack: That makes sense, right?
Cristina: She's for sure a shadow person.
Jack: She is a shadow person.
Cristina: Yes. Okay.
Jack: Lilith is a Djinn of some sort. So in Clearis, clearance was removed from the Garden of Eden, so she couldn't access the labs or any of the resources for her own research. After she disobeyed the order to not use this philosopher's son, Adam, she quit and left. Back to the Shadow Realm where she came from. And she left with Samonel, who is one of the members of the team.
Cristina: I Forgot. Was he also a Shadow person or. He was.
Jack: Samuel was an Elysian.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Yeah, he was in Elysian. And he's the. He happens to be the. I mean, he's next. We can just read this. So keep in mind we're just talking the Shadow Gods right now. So the next one is Samael, who is an Earthrealmer. He's an Elysian. He's second ranking researcher into the Fruit of Knowledge when he's in the Garden of Eden. And he's a botanist and Earth scientist specialist, as well as. He discovered how to plant seeds of the Fruit of Knowledge on the Earth Realm soil and is responsible for growing the first successful fairy tree with branches in Earth Realm.
Cristina: How do we know that? I don't remember that.
Jack: We discussed this when we were talking about.
Cristina: That was first. Not the other flowers in the Shadow Realm.
Jack: No, that I didn't see. That came first. He's the first to learn how to grow those on this side.
Cristina: Oh, okay. But he's not the first.
Jack: No, he's not the.
Cristina: Okay. I mean, like there was trees before.
Jack: There weren't trees with the branches on this side.
Cristina: There wasn't.
Jack: Those were roots from the branches from the trees in the Shadow Realm.
Cristina: Do they look any different?
Jack: I don't know. I've never seen them. The point is, the. The Forest of Shadows is where the trees are, and the roots to those are what we thought were trees. Yes, and then he planted and made a tree on this side and that led to the roots being in the Shadow Realm. So that's what he did. He learned how to grow it on this side instead of growing on that side. So I don't understand your question.
Cristina: What was my question? I don't know. Did they look the same?
Jack: No, before that, like. Okay, because you were trying to.
Cristina: Oh, I just wanted to know if he was the first. But he wasn't the first because they were already here.
Jack: He was the first to make it grow on this side.
Cristina: Yes, yes, but I'm saying it's not the first.
Jack: Oh, no, it wasn't the first, because the first we know was made by Yalda.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: In the Shadow Realm. An infinite amount of time before. Okay, and we're talking that this is only happening little about like 10,000 years ago. Latest. 2,000 years ago. Soonest.
Cristina: Do we know where he plant those, though? Like, they're in the lab or are they also.
Jack: He grew. He grew it in the lab.
Cristina: Okay. Okay.
Jack: Yeah. He is the DNA donor for Lucifer's body transmutation and later used Lucifer's body transmutation technology and samples of Nahas physiology to alter himself into being an artificial Naga.
Cristina: Weird. Yes. Okay, I remember.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: He used the Naga sort of.
Jack: Sort of had the ability to take the form of serpent at will. Following the procedure, abandoned the garden to follow Lilith after falling in love with her. And he went to the Shadow Realm with her. Next, Lucifer, the leader of the Shadow Gods. That's very important. After having an argument with Jehovah over the sharing of technology, he left the Garden of Eden to create the Shadow Gods research team. With the goals ultimately being to continue the research performed in the Garden of Eden. Things we know about Lucifer while he was in the Garden of Eden. Eden. He was third in command. He was formerly the primary researcher into the fruit of knowledge. 20,000 years ago they learned how to trap Shadow Realm natives in physical bodies like the Earth Realmers. Keep in mind, Lucifer himself is a Shadow Realmer.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: That's why he created a physical body identical to Samael's. And then Samael stops looking like himself anyways. Which that confusion about this guy is identical to Samael. But Samael no longer looks like Samael.
Cristina: No, he looks like some kind of freak.
Jack: He looks like some other. So people thought Lucifer and Tamale were the same guy. Okay, that explains a lot of the conflation that happens.
Cristina: What the story is about them with.
Jack: The stories about them. Yes. Using genetics of sea person, somehow he managed to give himself a physical body identical to some else. When Jesus became a disturbance to the secrets and research of the sea people, Lucifer devised the the plot of the Crucifixion. Unknowing Jesus had already established a way back if he were to die. Lucifer was an advocate for sharing technology with as many civilizations as possible to assist in moving science forward at increasingly faster rates. This includes having reached out to the Egyptian civilization and the Mayan civilizations. Those were his original endeavors. They only existed because he reached out. And several attempts to assist other civilizations that they all did not work out quickly fell apart. Which are the ones we're familiar with along the old equator. Later focusing only on the most advanced of civilizations instead of all civilizations which Lucifer did not like, but he coped with as it was an order from leaders. And when the rest of the research team of the Sea people in general suggested no longer sharing technology with civilization. And that's when the argument happened. And blah blah blah.
Cristina: When he left. Okay, then he left.
Jack: And then finally the guy we know. Keep in mind Lucifer is the the leader of the group. So Abraxas by the way, as far as we know, we have. This is the most group because we have Lilith, who's a shadow person, who's still a shadow person. She's a Djinn. We have Lucifer, who was formerly a shadow person and is now a fake Elysian with Elysian DNA. We have former Elysian Samael, who's now a artificial Naga.
Cristina: Yes, Disturbing, disturbing.
Jack: And then Abraxas, who's an Egyptian, not a shadow.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Abraxas is an Earth roamer, originally a member of the Sun God's research team. Abandoned the Sun Gods when Ra gave Horus supreme authority over solar energy harvesting facilities. Following Ra's retirement, stole copies of most of the research data collected by the Sun Gods and provided by the Garden of Eden. Fled to the Shadow Realm with the data. Okay. We've established the group and the people we are familiar with. And we know that the goal was to continue the research that existed in the Garden of Eden and the research being done by the Sun Gods and the research being done by the Mayans.
Cristina: We have no idea what their end goal is. Like, we don't really know what anyone's end goal.
Jack: We don't really know any. That's the one thing we're all researching. Yeah, something is important that they keep looking for. So let us begin. Baal, known as Beelzebub to a lot of people, is a Shadow Realm native. So he is a Djinn. He is a member of the Shadow Gods. Former military general in the Shadow Realm and he responds directly to Lucifer. So it's. There's very little on this guy. It seems he might just be a guy who communicates only with Lucifer, follows order strictly. And I'm not sure if he is science related or just like a bodyguard.
Cristina: Do you have any stories about him?
Jack: No, what I'm telling you is all I've got. So. Yeah, and that applies for everybody. I'm giving you everything I know about them. I have nothing additional to what I'm saying. It was hard enough to find this stuff. So if I tell you a story, it's in there. If not, I don't got it. And that's literally all I have from this person. Like I don't know s*** about them other than military general. And now you're part of the Shadow Gods. How would you do? You just hanging out, bro. Protect them from what? You're all a bunch of gins and science freaks. Like, who's going to f*** with you guys?
Cristina: Jesus, I don't know.
Jack: Next is Balleth. Balleth is A Shadow Realmer. A mathematician familiar with Earth and deletion technology and previously having worked with an Earthling conducting theoretical mathematics research. His knowledge of the scientific method, mathematics and deletion and Earth technologies, and his personal research makes him an ideal candidate to join the Shadow Gods research team.
Cristina: What's his name?
Jack: Ballet.
Cristina: Ballet. And what human was he working with?
Jack: So he was working with Noah in creating math. He was working out math with Noah.
Cristina: Noah. Noah the ark guy. Oh, okay.
Jack: Which means, bare minimum, this was somewhere after sooner than 10,000 years ago, but older than 2,000 years ago.
Cristina: He's a Shadow Realm person.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Okay. What?
Jack: Interesting, right?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So he has ventured to Earth Realm in the past, which suggested. This is pretty frequent. This is common.
Cristina: What? Shadow Realm?
Jack: The crossing back and forth all the time. He wasn't part of any. He wasn't part of the Sun Gods. He wasn't part of the. The Earth Gods. He wasn't part of the Garden of Eden. He wasn't part of any of these advanced civilizations. He was just some dude who went and worked with some other scientists. Nevertheless, he was. He was found. He didn't travel initially. I guess Noah or somebody he was working with figured out a portal and they got in contact with Ballet. And then he came over and started working together. So people were figuring out communicating somehow. I mean, there's a million ways to communicate, I suppose, but they were figuring it out.
Cristina: Weird.
Jack: Okay, so yeah, this makes him. He's very scientifically minded. And to have a mathematician is beautiful because a lot of theoretical science, you could just use that and get through a lot. Helpful, helpful stuff right there. Next. Asmodeus. Cool name.
Cristina: I guess. Is he Egyptian? I don't know.
Jack: Totally sounds like it. So Asmodeus is a Shadowrum. Also a jinn. He is a zoologist. Specializes in creatures of the Shadow Realm.
Cristina: Strange, but okay.
Jack: But the science mind is already important there. As a leader expert. As a leading expert. As the leading expert in Shadow Realm zoology and physiology. He gets recruited to join the Shadow Gods to assist in research and to conduct special research into how to create a philosopher's Stone using shadow creatures. That threw me off.
Cristina: He does. Wait, what? Say that again.
Jack: He is recruited. He's the leading expert in zoology and is recruited because of his expertise in zoology and physiology. Recruited into the Shadow Gods to assist in research. All the research you're doing. But additionally, to conduct his own special research into how to create a philosopher's Stone from Shadow Realm creatures.
Cristina: Oh, he's doing that?
Jack: That's his research yes.
Cristina: Is he working with Lilith?
Jack: I don't know. I have no idea. I mean, she's a Shadow Realmer, so I'm assuming. Yes. I'm not a shadow. They're both shadow gods.
Cristina: We know she has been playing with philosopher stones.
Jack: Interesting enough, because it's unclear what Lilith is personally working on, but she was very connected to the philosopher's stones. So I'm assuming that Asmodeus might be working with Lilith. That makes a lot of sense that they'll be working together. Additionally, we thought we. We knew to a very strong degree that the Greek guy who found the magnum opus that tells us how to create a philosopher's stone found it in the facilities abandoned around the Persian Gulf oasis after they were left. After the Alicians left the area, which means it was. It belonged to the Elysians. So there's a book called the Lesser Key of Solomon, and the Lesser Key of Solomon is a collection of works by Solomon, who is ancient and most likely was an Elysian. And it includes carbon copies of the.
Cristina: Magnum opus of a different book. That's the magnum opus.
Jack: The magnum opus is the book that tells us how to create philosopher's stones.
Cristina: Yeah, but that book has that other book.
Jack: No, no, no, no, no. The Lesser Keys. Solomon has the magnum opus inside it.
Cristina: Okay?
Jack: Like, the whole thing. Which means Solomon was the one to invent the formula. Oh, he made the design for the philosopher's stone.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Or at least he's the first to write it down.
Cristina: Yes, he's a Shadow armor.
Jack: No, he's an Earth Roamer.
Cristina: He's an Earth Romer.
Jack: Okay, we've never discussed Salaman at all.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: We just know that he's most likely an Elysian or whatever. He's some guy from the Persian Gulf.
Cristina: Oh, okay. I thought you were gonna say he's, like, working with these people now.
Jack: No, no, I was. I was trying to find out why the h*** the shadow gods are trying to make a philosopher's stone. And the trail led me to find out about Salomon, who initially created or wrote down the original. Yeah.
Cristina: Recipe or whatever.
Jack: Even if Zoe Zozo, Mitsu or whatever crap that guy's name was the Greek who found the magnum opus. He took credit for all of it. Although he himself just said, I found a freaking book. But they're like, oh, you're the godfather of alchemy. It's like, I didn't invent. I just found the book. But it looks like Solomon is the one who wrote that stuff down. At least in These much, much, much older texts that predate the magnum opus by crap ton of time. The magnum opus is featured there. Okay, so bare minimum, he at least knew of it way long before this guy. But it's still not so long ago that it explains how somebody like L had it.
Jack: So at least it corrects the thinking that the Elysians purely had it. I suppose. Although, I don't know, this guy might be an ancestor of Jehovah for all we know.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: I actually have a question to look for in the future. I'm gonna try to answer this in a future episode, which is, was Solomon L, Lilith and Susan on the same team? Were they all working on a research.
Cristina: Team together, the original team? That's what we want to find.
Jack: Yes. I want to find. We know that L and Susan. Yes. And we know that Lilith was somehow there too. Was Solomon there? Am I finding gradually piecing together what happened back then, even if I don't have any consistent, coherent, just like finding about the sea people in the first place. It took so much of finding one thing here, one thing there, and once you see it, you see it forever. Now you know where to look, say.
Cristina: To find out about Solomon.
Jack: Yes. Once I find out who's on the team and how they connect, then it'll be easy to find all this information. But I. I need. There's not enough pieces yet. Little by little.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Yeah. So Asmodeus working to create a philosopher stone. Interesting. And most likely, as you put working with Lilith, that's probably something related to what she's doing next. We have Vine. He is a Shadow Realmer, a meteorologist to be exact. One of the few beings in the entire Shadow Realm capable of understanding how to predict. Predict the erratic nature of Shadow Realm weather patterns.
Cristina: That's very strange. Okay.
Jack: Added to the team to assist with running experiments because the application of his knowledge immediately became paramount in the success of countless experiments.
Cristina: How?
Jack: Well, you need to know that you're not gonna run an experiment and the weather's gonna f*** it up.
Cristina: I wonder how different their weather is from this weather.
Jack: It's just unpredictable. I'm sure they probably have this. I mean, who knows? To be honest, I don't know how rain exactly, but yeah, he knows how to at least predict that kind of stuff using his science expertise. And then they can kind of strategically plan experiments and things go to time.
Cristina: I guess it can't be that insane because people have gone into the Shadow Realm and they can survive.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Like, as far as we know, they have gravity they have air.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cristina: It's not hugely different.
Jack: I haven't thought about that. Air is an interesting one. The fact that they could enter, they could breathe. Yeah. Unless there's something unique about them.
Cristina: These people that go.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Over there.
Jack: We don't know anybody who isn't somehow special going to the other side. We only know of three groups of people. The Elysians, who are not human. By. Oh, by the way that I figured out how to establish that. Yes.
Cristina: That they're not human.
Jack: They're not human. Yeah.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: They're earthlings. And they're. They are not human. They're very identical.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But still genetically different than what we would call a human.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But they look identical. So Elysians, the Egyptians, the Egyptian gods, the sun gods and the Mayan Earth gods. The only non shadow people who have ventured into the shadow realm.
Cristina: Yeah, but the Egyptians and the Mayans are still pretty human.
Jack: They've been given. No, we established that the. That they've been given a lot of the things to become immortal as well.
Cristina: Oh, what about the two random people that went into the shadow realm?
Jack: They were Mayan.
Cristina: They're Mayan. Weren't they Greek? The lawyer and the.
Jack: Was a lawyer Greek.
Cristina: I feel like he was.
Jack: I don't know. Interesting because I know he did go in there.
Cristina: Yeah. And I don't think he was related any like to these people at all.
Jack: He was Greek and he took his sister. But also the. Apparently the, the Greek gods themselves also had a lot.
Cristina: Yeah. They weren't related to the gods as far as we know.
Jack: So they are an exception to the rule. As far as we know. We have no other examples other than those two. So there must be something about them.
Cristina: That'S different, something unique.
Jack: And where he went through is also interesting. He didn't go just anywhere. He went through the forest.
Cristina: Mm
Jack: So that's fascinating too. He didn't just go into the shadow realm. He crossed the forest of shadows. Something about that forest of shadows, if air doesn't exist, kept him alive. Or they just have air.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Also, the shadow realm is described to be almost a mirror warped funhouse version of Earthrealm. So I'm sure there's a lot of similarities based on those description.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But yeah, chances are they do have air.
Cristina: I'm thinking, I'm thinking. I don't know.
Jack: Yeah. It must be similar enough.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Even if the creatures that are native from there aren't necessarily physical beings, the way we understand physical.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It looks like the world itself at Least holds similar rules.
Cristina: Because when especially we can become things like that, they can become things like us. Like it's some weird connection. We have some kind of connection.
Jack: And when Jinn come over to the Earth Realm, they maintain their physiology from the Shadow realm. Which means their physiology could survive. Yeah, it could exist over here, perfectly defined. The same way it does over there.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So it tells us a lot about similarities between those two. But that is vine. A meteorologist. Okay, next we have Balamb, another Shadow Realmr. The gym. An engineer. The first engineer we got and recruited into the Shadow Gods for his advanced engineering knowledge. Important details right here. He managed to replicate Elysian cloaking technology using only shadow science.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: No application of Earth science.
Cristina: So the science is different.
Jack: Though the way they approach sciences are different.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: I mean, it would have to be. If you're working with ethereal beings, it's automatically something different.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: There'd be no way to like, okay, let's do Earth Realm medicine on a non biological. Like it has to be different, but yeah. So using shadow science, managed to replicate Elysian cloaking technology. That's 1, 2. Managed to create a cloaking detector to see cloaked technology, thus rendering Elysian cloaking technology a non problem.
Cristina: That's crazy.
Jack: How overpowered.
Cristina: That's pretty overpowered, yeah.
Jack: That's a savage right there. This guy is dangerous. You're telling me that some of the best s*** Elysians came up with, you're just s******* on.
Cristina: So they got more than cloaking going on for them. If they're still safe from these guys.
Jack: I mean, we know they somehow managed to stop magic.
Cristina: Oh, yep. Okay, nevermind. They probably figured out this.
Jack: Next we have Zagan. Horrible name. Also Shadow Realm. And the Djinn. A violent genius known for his use of earthrealm metals to create Shadow Realm weapons with which he used to commit his crimes.
Cristina: I commit his crimes. Do you have any idea what kind of crimes? So vague, you just know. He's violent. He does cry.
Jack: Former criminal.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: His understanding of how to merge Shadow and Earth technologies made him a valuable seek for the team. Lucifer personally sought him out and asked him to join.
Cristina: Interesting. And his name is what, Zigzag?
Jack: Zagan.
Cristina: Zagan. Okay.
Jack: He some sort of a genius who understands how to merge Earth tech and Shadow tech. He knows how to make this s*** work together.
Cristina: He's just not that different. As far as we can tell. I don't know. Maybe it is, maybe it's not.
Jack: They must be similar enough, even if it's different.
Cristina: Yes, enough that they figured it out. But then like, it seems like the. What are you calling them?
Jack: The Shadow Gods?
Cristina: No, Elysians. Alicians. Alicians have probably figured out Shadow Realm tech. Yeah, so like it's not that different 100%.
Jack: I mean, just think of the Mayans having Ixchell and her using the botanic. Her using botany from the Shadow Realm in order to make. They were trying to make energy from plants or whatever crap. Or life. They were trying to make intelligent life using plants. And it was just Shadow Realm studies essentially that she brought over because she was a Shadow person when she swapped places with Inanna. Yeah. Interesting the fact that they're making weapons.
Cristina: Why?
Jack: Why? But also we know that Shadow Realmers, not Shadow armors. That the Elysians have weapons of all sorts.
Cristina: That's true. I guess. It's not for anything specific.
Jack: It's just like self defense. It's just research. We're doing research, that's all.
Cristina: Every. Everything sounds like it's just like we just gotta do more. We gotta figure out more, learn more.
Jack: Things, do more stuff. Like Fantastic, bruh. Now we'll take a weirder dive into Balliol. Balliol is an Earth Realmer. This is not a Shadow person.
Cristina: Okay, just. But he's normal. Like normal.
Jack: He's an Elysian. So he's part of the Sleepy boy. He's an Elysian. He was imprisoned for war crimes against non Elysians.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Formerly military personnel went rogue during the Alician Greco War. Which, as we know, is what the Greeks feared the Elysians for. Because they were so freaking overpowered. That's where they first referred to them as sea people.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Responsible for leading a charge that took the lives of thousands of Greek civilians. Him and his men were arrested following these events. It's unknown how he got freed from his life sentence in Elysium.
Cristina: He's. Okay, that's weird. Okay.
Jack: Somebody must have let him go.
Cristina: And then he did somehow end up on the team.
Jack: He must have run away too. So it's unknown how he got freed from his life sentence in Elysium. He escaped and found his way to the Shadow Realm through Mount Kaf.
Cristina: Mount Ka.
Jack: Which gives us at least an estimate that this happened before their move. Okay, so he was already over there before they left the Persian Gulf Oasis. Because Mount Kaf leaves when they leave the Persian Gulf Oasis. Yeah, unless he knows how to get there. Even if it's cloaked.
Cristina: That's possible too. Okay.
Jack: He later returned to Earthrealm and liberated many of his former troupe and took them back to the Shadow Realm, where they became the Shadow God's military force, known as Sons of Darkness.
Cristina: Sons of Darkness.
Jack: Yes. I found that name. It's kind of corny. Yeah, but that's what they call themselves. He thought it was cool.
Cristina: Mad biker that he made a biker gang.
Jack: Made a biker gang. But they. They are the people protecting the Shadow Gods.
Cristina: Which, again, they're Elysians.
Jack: They're Elysians. Yes. A bunch of Elysians protecting the Shadow Gods. Which brings us back to Belle, a Shadow Realm native, a member of the Shadow Gods research team, former military general, responds directly to Lucifer. What the f*** are you doing there? Who are you? They have a whole f****** troupe of m************ that are way more overpowered than you. You're just some random shadow dude. Those are Elysians. They got Elysian tech and weaponry, and they're defending the Shadow Gods. By the way, if. If we rewind the time to about a year ago, before we knew a lot of these finer details, and we look at Abraxas leaving, and before Abraxas leaves, we also knew that Jesus was talking to someone else that we used to call Jehovah of Dark. And we then decided, okay, that's probably where Abraxas is going to go. Conglomerate, make a team.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And then a bunch of Elysians happen to be defending that same group of people who are kind of bitter and angry at the Garden of Eden research team. Now, it kind of makes absolute sense why you'd want to hide. They want your research. We know exactly who wants your research.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: We know that they are just as good, if not better, because they got a lot of Elysians in there. A lot of Shadow Realm people in there. Yes, yes, they got Egyptians in there.
Cristina: But do they have Jesus?
Jack: I don't know if they got Jesus, but. Interesting.
Cristina: Interesting. Yeah.
Jack: It makes sense for the Garden of Eden to not want to be known by the Shadow Gods. Like, that's our problem over there.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Or as far as I know.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Yeah, it would. It would make a good argument.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That. That's. But again, I don't know what the h*** Baal's doing there. If Balliol has an entire army of Elysians, what the h*** is Bao? He's just some Shadow Realm bodyguard. He's Lucifer's personal bodyguard.
Cristina: Could be.
Jack: Lucifer himself used to be a Shadow person.
Cristina: What do you need a bodyguard?
Jack: What do you need a bodyguard for? From who? You don't trust your own people?
Cristina: From Jesus? I don't know.
Jack: Isn't that what all of Balliol like? Jesus ain't handling Balliol's entire militia. This gay biker gang, Sons of Darkness.
Cristina: Are you positive? We don't know. No one knows.
Jack: And okay, so he can talk. He can easily deal with Balliol. And what the f*** is Bao gonna do?
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: You see the problem, right? Like, what the h*** is this guy doing? And there's nothing on him. I looked. Yeah, I'm gonna try harder. There's something about him that's interesting.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: I don't know. What?
Cristina: He doesn't lead an army of his own. Like there's not like a. Nope. Whole Shadow Realm army.
Jack: No, there's Shadow Realm militaries. Yeah. But he. He's not. He doesn't have one.
Cristina: Oh, interesting.
Jack: It's just him. Or if it does, it doesn't say anything about it. I don't know crap about him.
Cristina: He has to be protecting someone. Or something. Or something. I don't know.
Jack: Last time we looked into something like this, we found the Naga. Although we got a fake Naga in here. That's another thing. These people weren't initially an advanced civilization. These are all rejects from advanced civilizations. So they don't really have a Naga. Except one idiot who turned himself into one.
Cristina: Yeah. So no actual Naga?
Jack: No actual Naga. Although it'd be cool if they go and recruit the all artificial Nagas that exist out there. Yalda made one. They got the Greek one who's Glykon.
Cristina: Glycon, that used to be one of.
Jack: The Greek gods and became the Naga. Yeah, there's a couple of those weirdos out there. Interesting.
Cristina: He's protecting their Naga. We don't know who their Naga is. If they have one, how they have one. He's protecting something. I don't know.
Jack: I mean, I guess. But they're not a civilization. They're exclusively a research group.
Cristina: They're big enough to be.
Jack: To have a military, I guess. Slowly it becomes its own civilization comprised of all these people.
Cristina: Maybe you should look a little bit into that.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: See if there is like maybe a nearby civilization that would be related to all of this.
Jack: Interesting. Interesting. So the question would be, do the Shadow Gods have Naga? Interesting.
Cristina: I still look him up and see if you can find anything on that guy who Bal. Yeah.
Jack: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That's definitely a plan. And last but not least, then we'll try to figure out what the h*** they're trying to do is Azazel. Which is an Earthrealmer, also an Elysian. This guy is Interesting. Considered a genius among Elysians was a prisoner incarcerated for impregnating a non Elysian, specifically an Egyptian woman.
Cristina: What?
Jack: This violated Elysian law, which is why he was in prison. The result of Elysians mating with humans. When I read that line, I'm like, okay, so you're not human. The result of Elysians mating with human women when they are so genetically different, resulted in a third intellectual race on Earth named Nephilim.
Cristina: Oh, ah. Wonder where they were gonna pop up. How they were gonna pop up. So this is the answer. Okay.
Jack: The Nephilim, which previously people were like, oh, it's an angel mating with a. With a human, happens to be this one race of people, the super race, mating with a human and creating this sort of hybrid middle ground. We are. They're similar enough that they can mate. It's like a lion and a tiger are not the same, but they're kind of the same. And then they have a liger.
Cristina: They have a liger. They're not like they're wolves and we're dogs.
Jack: No, because they still manage. I mean, I guess a dog can still mate with a wolf, though.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Yeah, I guess you could say that. They're wolves and war dogs. Yeah. Same idea.
Cristina: Because we, like, as far as we can tell, we sort of. There's something connecting us to them when it comes to the stones. Far, far, far, far, far, far back. I think.
Jack: Yeah, I think they just happen to be. It's the idea of like Neanderthal and H*** erectus, you know, like these are just two very similar, yet two different things and they can still mate. And a lot of people have both DNA. Some people have only one or the other, but they are similar enough that mating became possible. And I think that's the same idea with the Elysians and the rest of Earthlings.
Cristina: What happened to this child?
Jack: I don't know anything about this child.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: I only know about Azazel being arrested after impregnating the lady. And this is the first instance that I've seen this descriptor for Nephilim show up.
Cristina: Do you know if there's any information or you just didn't check out any?
Jack: I'm not looking to that. I've only been looking into the members of the Shadow Gods.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: These questions are going to be answered in the future, presumably because now I know that Nephilim aren't just some made up other s***. There's a place for them in the narrative that isn't warped.
Cristina: Yeah, I thought they would be Related to the Shadow Realm, but. Okay.
Jack: Interesting, right? Yeah, you'd think it makes absolute sense that the Nephilim was somehow be. But Nephilim are just some sort of earthling. A different kind of earthling. Although not originally a scientist or researcher, his awareness and understanding of Elysian technology allowed him to be great helping hand when the Shadow Gods were formed. So he was recruited.
Cristina: Interesting.
Jack: Once his prison sentence was served, he left Elysium. He was shortly thereafter recruited to join by Abraxas.
Cristina: Abraxas, okay.
Jack: Who also educated Azazel on the scientific method used because again, Azazel was not a scientist. Yeah, dude. People. There's some smart dude, random line that makes me want to look into Aziza a little more. The fairy Shiva has stated fearing Azazel's dark personality and high intelligence. This is in Hindu text? Yes. In the text, Shiva mentions fearing Azazel's dark personality and high intellect.
Cristina: So fairies fear him.
Jack: A fairy fears this random elation? Yeah, this ain't even a part of the Garden of Eden. It's just a random elation.
Cristina: But he.
Jack: He got recognition from a fairy. It was like, keep an eye on that guy.
Cristina: He's a fairy killer. I don't know. You don't know?
Jack: Don't know. To the surprise of the Shadow Gods, although never having had a background in science research prior to joining, he picked up not only Elysian science, but Shadow Realm science very well, becoming the most well versed on Shadow Realm science and technology out of all the members in the team, including Shadow Realm individuals. So this guy who had nothing to do with science at all, was introduced to science, figured it out, and immediately became the most dominant force on the team when it came to science.
Cristina: Do you have any idea what his main goal on the team was?
Jack: I have no idea what his goal was on the team. I don't know what most of these people were researching to begin with. That's actually the biggest problem. It was they were all put together and that came up consistently. Consistently. And I couldn't find out what they were trying to do. The only one was Asmodeus with this philosopher stone. The only one that I had any idea what they were doing.
Cristina: Philosopher's stones. And we know Lilith had to do with philosopher's stones as well.
Jack: We know Lilith had to do with the philosopher's son. We know that he's being directed to work. I'm a philosopher. So we know Lucifer wants to share technology. Samael is just there to be there because he's just following Lilith and He'll even offer himself as a sacrifice to science. He doesn't care. That's kind of psychotic. I'll give it that much.
Cristina: He's a bit crazy, yes, but he probably likes the idea of sharing technology.
Jack: Samael.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Yeah. Samael doesn't have a problem with any of this. He just. Whatever Lilith wants, he's down for. Then we got val, which is a huge question mark. We have this mathematician who has worked with Elysians and Earthlings in the past. We have a zoologist who's trying to make a philosopher's stone. A meteorologist. A meteorologist who's, you know, just helping with experiments and timing whatnot.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Then we have an engineer working on cloaking technology and detecting cloaked technology. We know what he's doing, you know.
Cristina: Yeah, but what is the bigger picture? What is the bigger picture?
Jack: What is the bigger picture? We have a violent genius Shadow Realmer who can merge Shadow Realm and EarthRealm Tech. Fascinating. We have a Philosopher's Stone. We got two people interested in the Philosopher's Stone. We got a fake Naga. We got a fake Elation. We have countless real Elysians. We have a guy can merge Shadow Realm and Earth Realm technology.
Cristina: This group is too big not to have a Naga. It's too big.
Jack: It's the largest group.
Cristina: It's a large group.
Jack: It's the largest group.
Cristina: Yeah, by miles.
Jack: I would argue the second largest is the Sun Gods. That was pretty large.
Cristina: How do we know that Alicians. The lesions are pretty big? Because as far as we know, they probably all are into this technology thing. Even though we only talk about the main scientists, like those normal person is.
Jack: Probably every one of these instances we're only talking about the main scientists, people closest to them. If we're discussing that, then the ancient Greek, not Ancient Greek. The Ancient Egyptians would outnumber all these groups or so would be ancient Mayans. Those were colossal hyper advanced civilizations. They would outnumber all of this. So we're in every instance only talking about Mayan scientists.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And those closest related to the group of science they're doing.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Because just the Aletians being technologically advanced as a civilization doesn't make them all scientists. And like a lot of them don't do science. They just like. How does your phone work? You have a rocket ship in your pocket, but you don't know how it works. I'm assuming this was most Elysians. You're just civilization. People like Mary didn't seem like a particularly advanced. You look like a volunteer okay. You know, like she wasn't over here like, oh yeah, I'm on my flying thing. No, she wasn't volunteer. She was just in Alicia.
Cristina: She was on a flying thing after she got to the mountain.
Jack: But yeah, let's run down this Lilith. Definitely working on the Philosopher's stone. Samael, the guinea pig. Lucifer, team leader and wanting to share the tech with some ulterior motive that we don't understand. Bao, Not a f****** clue. But as far as we know, good bodyguard, then Balleth, mathematician that worked with Noah. And that's either an Elysian or not an Elysian. As Medeus working on the Philosopher's stone. And that reveals Solomon to us, knowing that Salamon knew about the magnum opus long before Vine. The meteorologist who can just assist us with tiny nerf experiments and has a scientific mind enough to help. Balamb, the engineer who worked on the cloaking tech. Zagan, who knows how to merge Earth and Shadow tech. Balliol. Balliol, who is the. He has the entire militia of Elysians. The Sons of Darkness were so cool. Probably got like freaking biker chaps and what he calls it stupid vests. Has it on the back with like a skull. Sons of Darkness, they're so cool. And then Azazel, this absolutely complicated individual. And we can't forget that Abraxas literally stole the data that they were working on in the Sun Gods, which contained a lot of Elysian data too.
Cristina: And they have a lot of elation data from Lilith and her group.
Jack: Yes. So what's the goal? Why do you need to work on this merging of tech? Why do you need to. Just assuming you got all the data, right? You got Abraxas, who took a copy of all the data. Lilith got some and Lucifer got some. And they were personally working in the Garden of Eden, so they have at least the knowledge, even if they weren't able to take all the stuff with them.
Cristina: They got any Mayans with them?
Jack: There's no Mayans, but we got those three individuals who just have the raw data from research on earthrealm. Okay, so you're gonna continue research, except. No, it doesn't stop there, because then you have Azazel. Doesn't really matter. He's not. As far as we know. We don't know what he's working on. He's just scientist. Not a scientist, bodyguard. But we get to Zagon and it's like, why do you need to learn how to merge these two types of text? Why does everything seem like it requires some interaction between Shadow and light between.
Cristina: Then it has to do with the fairies.
Jack: Right? It's the only way. It's the only way. It's the only thing.
Cristina: The fairy trees tell us that.
Jack: Yes, because that's literally something that's on both ends. Again, that. That continuity of over there and over here, we need over there and over here. And we need over there and over here to work together. And a lot of over there. We need a lot of over here. And we need that to work together. Always.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Over there and over here and has to work together. That's the rules. And it's like this shows up all the time. If Balam working on the cloaking tech, what do you need the clothing tech for? To find what? Are there fairies hidden everywhere? Are they invisible?
Cristina: Are they invisible? I don't know.
Jack: I don't know. I don't know what any of this is. For a meteorologist. I get it. We don't need to count him because he's there kind of to help organize when best times of testing is out without hurting people are. So you go do it outside in the field or something. But the weather here is crazy. So whatever. But then Asmodeus with the philosopher song. What do you need another philosopher's son for?
Cristina: What is going on?
Jack: Then again, the argument for this case, maybe he's the least suspicious one here, because the argument could then be, the Elysians have a bunch of philosophers stones. We don't. It's hard for us to conduct these same experiments without it.
Cristina: But also, what is anyone's goal with these stones?
Jack: Yeah, that's the bigger problem. What's the point? Because did they use it to make Jesus? Most likely. So then, are you guys gonna try the same thing? Are you guys trying to make shadow Jesus?
Cristina: I mean, even if you are, what's the point?
Jack: What's the point? Yeah. And Jesus was a failure.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And they don't even know how to control that problem. That's just some s*** that's going on in life.
Cristina: It's very strange. I don't know. Because if it was just to improve themselves. This doesn't improve you. This makes a better you. But, you know, like another thing, another living thing that's better than you.
Jack: Yeah, 100%. That's what Jesus turned out to be. Super leisure.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Okay. Interesting, interesting, interesting. Because if we look at what was happening beforehand, all the previous philosopher stones and fruits and everything put together was trying to make better humans. Humans were the test subject. If it's about making themselves better than humans were the Test subject. Because they took some eight, turned it into primitive humans, to the primitive humans, turned it into modern humans. They applied that to themselves, and you end up with Mary and Jesus. Oh, s***. Okay, so was it always about improving themselves? And we were the guinea pigs? We were the test subjects for thousands of years?
Cristina: I don't know. Because with Jesus, it seems something's just off about him.
Jack: Yeah, but that doesn't mean that. My question is, was the point to improve themselves? I'm not saying Jesus worked. I'm saying that eventually they did apply it to themselves.
Cristina: I wonder in what way?
Jack: Mary and Jehovah both use their DNA, plus some fruits, plus philosopher stones. Boom. Jesus super Elysian. Why'd they do it on themselves instead of on more humans? Why didn't the pattern of doing it on humans continue? They're like, oh, no, we figured it out. Look how good we made humans. Look how fast humans are moving forward now. Let's do it on us. And then, boom. Jesus happened. It's like, no, abort, Abort.
Cristina: Interesting. I don't know. That's weird. That's very weird.
Jack: Okay, don't kill us indiscriminately to make philosopher stones. Our lives don't matter. They test on us. They'll kill us to make philosopher's stones, then use philosopher's stones to make us use fruits. With philosophers, they don't care. There's any pattern that our lives don't matter. We're experiments.
Cristina: I don't know. That's weird. I don't know.
Jack: But then they apply it to themselves at some point.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: On one single instance. Not some mass group of people. A single experiment. If it works, we do another one. If it doesn't, we go back to the drawing board. And it didn't. Back to the drawing board.
Cristina: But that means they'll only use it again.
Jack: Maybe.
Cristina: Or they find some other way.
Jack: Or they find some other way. What's the point? I still don't get the ultimate goal here.
Cristina: No, no. I don't know. Could be the ungo be. What could it be? Because it seems like they live forever. They're healthy. They're like. They have so much positive traits already.
Jack: And they don't stop.
Cristina: And they don't stop.
Jack: It could. Look, it could just be exploration and curiosity.
Cristina: It could.
Jack: Like, the theory goes that on the Kardashev scale, the beings and civilizations on the higher ends have worked out. The. The violence, the wars, the crimes. All that s***'s gone, and existence becomes about exploration and finding new things in new ways.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Could be. It could be that that's what's happening. Like they're bare minimum capable of holding the energy of many stars.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So that's.
Cristina: They're just trying to explore every option.
Jack: Bare minimum. That's level two, huh? No, that's level three. Right. For level one is using all the energy of the planet. Level two is all the energy of the star. So they're like 2.5, where they're using the energy of many, many stars, because three would be a whole galaxy. So they're level 2.5 somewhere, using many, many stars to power all their stuff. So they're pretty. Up there. They're pretty overpowered. But like, why do you keep going?
Cristina: I don't know. Maybe. No, that's weird. I don't know.
Jack: It's weird. And then they apply to themselves. And now these guys are looking into creating a philosopher's song. They're looking into cloaking technology. They're looking into. So are they just trying to replicate things that they knew could be done? Because these experiments are doing. Is from the experiments that existed for the Elysians and the. The Sun Gods to begin with. Zalzab and Garden of Eden research. And.
Cristina: And you're just doing the same thing.
Jack: Yeah, they're just catching up.
Cristina: They're just catching up.
Jack: Yeah, we know how to do it. We don't have the things because we all got kicked or left and so we're catching up.
Cristina: Yeah, I guess.
Jack: Doesn't seem like anything bad is happening.
Cristina: No, we know they have an army. We don't know if that's important.
Jack: Yeah. And the Nephilim is going to be interesting to look into.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Because the way it was described is a third intelligent race on Earth. And it's like, okay, okay, fascinated.
Cristina: Find out they're part of Jesus's army.
Jack: Interesting. But Jesus and Mary are both. I mean, Jehovah and Mary are both Elicians, so like, Jesus at least isn't. He himself is just an Elysian as well.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But he's super lean because he's made with a bunch of fancy fruits and some philosopher stones. Weird.
Cristina: Very weird.
Jack: We still don't know crap about Jesus other than he planned ahead of everybody. Like, we knew. He found we knew about the g. The. The Shinto gates before we knew about any of these things. And then when we unravel all these things, the Shinto gates just made sense. And it was like, oh, no. He knew what was coming and he plotted that and say, God d***, dude. He's so far ahead of everybody.
Cristina: Yes, it's very strange because everyone can see him. So you feel like, oh, you know what he's thinking because you seen. But no, you have no idea.
Jack: This ability to be unpredictable. Even whenever. When people can. They know of you before they know of you and still kind of crazy. You elude everyone.
Cristina: Yeah. Interesting. I don't know. I don't know. That's very strange.
Jack: I think that's very strange.
Cristina: What is his plan? What's his end goal? Because he's not. Or maybe he's a scientist on his own. I don't know. I don't know.
Jack: The Shinto Gates tells us maybe because he at least knew how to do that and he wasn't getting help.
Cristina: What's his end goal?
Jack: Also, he took a huge deep dive into working with Adrenocrow. Yeah, you know, he's. He's definitely scientific to some degree. Anyways, that's all I got. That's.
Cristina: There's a lot to go from there, though.
Jack: Yeah, there's a lot of directions to go from here. I want to learn about Solomon and find out if we have an old ancient group of people working together.
Cristina: Salma, baal, the. What are those things called again?
Jack: The Nephilim.
Cristina: Nephilims. Yes.
Jack: I want to know if Salomon El and Susan were working together. Anyways, if you guys want to give us your input on any of this stuff, you can do that on our socials. That's just Convopod on X, on Instagram, on Facebook, on Tick Tock.
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Jack: That's why they got sloppy. And just all California whole laws dedicated to it. Yeah, let's. Let's let children go missing past law so that we can just take them. Let's do whatever. They got sloppy. Why? They're not thinking clearly. Before it was very organized or hyper intelligent. What does it. What does adrenochrome do to a human? Makes you essentially a vampire. You're smarter than most people. You live longer than most people you like. You know, you get real op. Yeah, but what happens when you don't have it? You become a f****** retarded zombie.
Cristina: Yes. Okay.
Jack: S***. Yeah, we're seeing that f****** happening. We're seeing the decline from one end to the other, and they're getting sloppier and sloppier.
Cristina: Supposedly, a bunch of children in Hawaii also disappeared.
Jack: Children in California. Children in Hawaii, just poof, gone. Children in Canada. F***. Ton. Gone. Disappeared. But after these laws in California, the children in Hawaii and the children in Canada, well, it suddenly slowed down. Suddenly. Huh?
Cristina: Huh?
Jack: What a shock. Now. Oh, no, wait, wait. We're gonna backtrack the laws in California right after a bunch of children disappeared because laws, they got taken and put into the system, taken away from parents. They disappeared. And then what? Oh, no. We're gonna backtrack the laws. We're sorry. We apologize. Clarity re established.
Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Elin Taylor and published by greatthoughts.in fox, art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.
