Rambling 194: Sweaty Fart Socks

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Topics Discussed:

  • Goat Overpopulation
  • Jurassic Park
  • Alien Bestiality
  • Selling Fart Aroma
  • Sweaty Sock Vendor
  • Starting OnlyFans
  • Multiverse Farts
  • Volcano Diving

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean? Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

Cristina: This is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas.

Jack: Yes. So let's get to the grounding, bro.

Cristina: To the grounding?

Jack: Yes. What we do here is ground things like not unlike terrorists. Terrorists ground. For example, planes. They ground planes.

Cristina: Is that what they do?

Jack: Didn't we just finish that holiday like a couple of weeks ago? We just a whole holiday about celebrating terrorists ability to ground planes and buildings and buildings. Well, buildings are already on the ground, technically speaking.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, I guess. But they are, I guess. That's horrible though.

Jack: Why do we call them buildings instead of built?

Cristina: That sounds bad.

Jack: It does. But also we'd be so used to it. Building would sound stupid.

Cristina: Then you built a built.

Jack: You built a building. That's still wrong. That's so weird.

Cristina: I guess it shouldn't be called build. Like Bill shouldn't be in building. Because. Building.

Jack: Yeah, exactly.

Cristina: Because it's already one thing. Why are we giving it.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. It's like saying you laying.

Cristina: What?

Jack: You lot of lying.

Cristina: What are you trying to say?

Jack: Raced. Racing.

Cristina: Race day. Racing. I think you can say that. I don't know if that's incorrect.

Jack: You raced a racing.

Cristina: I guess. Why doesn't that make sense?

Jack: I mean, I guess you could say you raced a race.

Cristina: You raced a race? Yes. There you go. Erase the. Erase. That's. There's nothing wrong with that.

Jack: This is not the previous episode where we were talking about language, bro.

Cristina: This is part two.

Jack: Part two about language?

Cristina: No, man, that'd be crazy. Did you know that there were mountain goats that were. That are being. Were being airlifted out of a national park? I mean, it could still be happening now. I don't know.

Jack: So there are. Why are they being. Because they. They can't be. I don't know.

Cristina: I want you to guess.

Jack: The T. Rex is gonna eat them otherwise.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Because of the fire.

Cristina: Because of fire.

Jack: No, because they are royal goats. Was it goats? What was being lifted?

Cristina: Goats.

Jack: Goats. Okay.

Cristina: Yeah. Royal goats.

Jack: They're extinct. Goats.

Cristina: Extinct.

Jack: They're going extinct. They're close. Extinction?

Cristina: The opposite. There's too many. But that's not the problem.

Jack: So where are we drop. Are we throwing them in volcanoes?

Cristina: No, we are just taking them to other locations.

Jack: Is it where the T. Rex is? No, this is how we control the amount of goats. And we also manage to like, keep Jurassic park at bay because we keep digging all the goats over there and feeding into T. Rexes.

Cristina: Well, these goats are native to where they're at, and they just once introduced there, they just repopulated like crazy. Oh, s***. Like, there's now, like, there was, like, 700 of them there. But that's not why they're lifting them out. Because I don't want to tell you yet. Can you guess another reason why they might be lifting them up besides feeding T. Rex?

Jack: I don't know. Feeding a T. Rex is what makes the most sense, but they're overpopulating. I don't know. Why are they airlifting them out? I don't know.

Cristina: Because they're craving human pee. It's a problem.

Jack: What?

Cristina: Yes, they love human pee.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because it's a great source of salts and minerals that they need, I guess.

Jack: And where are they finding this human pee?

Cristina: People who like to go hiking and stuff in the mountain. Because that's a popular thing nowadays, going hiking and camping.

Jack: I mean, I'm pretty sure that hiking has always been a thing that's always been popular. Not like recently.

Cristina: No, no. Yes. But hiking in a place that's super populated with goats, that's not a thing. No.

Jack: I bet there's places where that's common. There's goats in so many places on Earth. There's no way that there's not a place where people are. Like, there's no place on earth where people are hiking and there are goats. Like, come on. There has to be goats.

Cristina: Yes, but that much in one location.

Jack: 700 Goats is not, like, a lot.

Cristina: That's not a lot to you? That sounds like a lot to me.

Jack: Are they all just packed into the.

Cristina: One trail, into this one mountain? That's why they're airlifting them to other spots to spread them out more.

Jack: How small is the mountain?

Cristina: I don't know. In my head, it's small.

Jack: And there's just 700 goats everywhere you look?

Cristina: Yeah. Like every. Like, you can't get away. They're just everywhere, would you say?

Jack: Let's just give you a visual about why things like this don't make sense in my life. Do you know what a school looks like? Right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You could fit, like, 3,000 kids in a school. Comfortably.

Cristina: Comfortably, Comfortably.

Jack: Like a large enough school you could fit. Is a school definitely smaller than a mountain?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Okay. So they're at least more spread out than that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: How many schools would it take to make a mountain? One mountain. Hundreds, right?

Cristina: Yes. But these goats are bothering People, I'm guessing that's the point.

Jack: That's really the point. It's not that there's a lot of goats. Is that humans are like, this is annoying.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. It's truly about. The goats are annoying.

Jack: Yeah. We're making up an excuse. There's so many. No, it's just, you want our pee, and we think it's weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's all it really is, is coming.

Cristina: Into our camp, feeding our pee pee. Well, I guess your clothing that's covered in sweat and pee. Well, maybe not.

Jack: Clothing is not covered in pee. I mean, I guess it could be, but, like, those are the people I would be scared of in the woods.

Cristina: Someone who's covered in sweat and pee some.

Jack: Yeah. I guess it's a pretty bad combo.

Cristina: It's a bad combo, but it's gotta be, like, sweaty clothes. In the end of the day, you take it off and then a goat is eating it.

Jack: Goat is eating your. Your. I guess now they're get. You're taking. They're taking the goats out so the goats don't choke on the peed clothing that they're eating.

Cristina: Yes. Well, not really, Tisha. I don't think any goat was dying. It's really just these goats are annoying.

Jack: We hate these goats. Let's get them out somewhere and just for their safety.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Sounds like things humans do.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, it is. It does sound like what you do. That makes sense.

Jack: Yeah. Humans are usually just annoyed about things and they want to get rid of it without sounding like a douchebag. So make up an excuse that sounds more knowable than you would behave on a normal basis.

Cristina: Yes. And did you hear about that lady who was kidnapped by aliens? Well, there's a lot of stories like that.

Jack: I mean, like, pretty much every interaction with aliens directly was that they were kidnapped.

Cristina: They're never not kidnapped.

Jack: They're never not kidnapped. It's either they saw somebody get kidnapped, they just saw the aliens being weird, or they were kidnapped.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's always kidnapping.

Cristina: It's never an invitation.

Jack: Well, once.

Cristina: Once.

Jack: Billy Mayer.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. They didn't kidnap him then.

Jack: No. He's the chosen one or something.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, his story makes no sense now. Compared to every other story.

Jack: That's why his story is special. All the other stories are bullshit.

Cristina: Or he's lying. He's working for the aliens. He's.

Jack: I guess he kind of is, though.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's sort of his own story. Yeah, he's kind of like partner with them or some s***.

Cristina: Yes. They're Using him to say that aliens are good. Don't lie.

Jack: You know what? Look, if we were to really think about this, let's say all of this is true. It's more likely they're just using him because they're extremely advanced life forms themselves.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So they just. Using Billy Mayer and his cult. Yeah, and his cult. They're using his reach into people. Interesting.

Cristina: Interesting. Ah. So then what is that prayer meditation thing really doing? If it's not really to. What is it? Send energy to the world to protect it or something?

Jack: Or energy or something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Maybe this is a. A group of people that have found another group of people. But aliens, these creatures have found a shortcut so that they don't need adrenochrome. They don't even need fear. They're doing some other.

Cristina: Yes. Which is. I'm not really sure what exactly it is.

Jack: Neither do I. I'm not sure what the it's supposed to be, but who knows? Like, these creatures need something.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And there is, like, godness surrounding some of this crap. So, you know, it does make sense that there would be maybe some other way.

Cristina: Just these aliens figured it out because all the other aliens.

Jack: I guess even Santa Claus still uses fear.

Cristina: Exactly. Every alien and a Santa Claus uses.

Jack: Fear in one way or another.

Cristina: Yes. And every God, too. Like, why would there be one specific type of alien that like. Oh, we figured something out, Elsa.

Jack: Somebody had to be the first. Oh, that killed any argument, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That kills any argument. Somebody had to do it first. Maybe that's just what happened.

Cristina: Then what is it?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: What could it be? I don't understand. Well, whatever. This. This lady that recently, she got kidnapped. She fell in love with the alien.

Jack: Did he fall in love back?

Cristina: He did fall in love back.

Jack: Why'd he leave?

Cristina: Because he was like, aliens and humans shouldn't be together because the aliens would be like. You know, they would be like, why are you with that dog?

Jack: So it.

Cristina: I was.

Jack: I was about to make the argument that, like, whatever, but. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That. That checks out. That checks out. Why would you be with that dog? This is weird, bro. It's probably illegal.

Cristina: It's probably. Exactly. Or that cow, I guess I should say, because if they're. They like kidnapping cows, they probably see us as cows. Who knows? That'd be a better description.

Jack: And it's even worse than that because it's like, what are you doing with that ant?

Cristina: What are you doing?

Jack: You know, it's. We're so dumb and primitive.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: By comparison.

Cristina: Yeah. But she, she. Her option was though, she could have run away with him, but she was like, I can't leave Earth because I know if I leave it, I'll never come back or whatever.

Jack: Right, that. That's very clear. Wouldn't that be the point?

Cristina: Yes, I guess she would only want to be with him if it. Like a part time thing. I don't know.

Jack: A part time thing?

Cristina: Yeah. Like go to space whenever and then come back whenever.

Jack: No, she wants to.

Cristina: Like she wants to live both lives.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. She wants a little bit of space. A little bit at home.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Space, a little bit at home.

Cristina: Yeah. That's pretty.

Jack: I want to be able to see my family on weekends.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know. What would you do?

Jack: What. In what situation?

Cristina: You fell in love with an alien.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: You're gonna leave?

Jack: I guess I've got. I've. I'd have to be there.

Cristina: Yes. Which is weird. Like, what were they doing to her? I don't even re. I don't remember they're saying anything.

Jack: Also, how dumb is this alien that he found this huge. I mean, I guess, bro, whatever. There's people who fall in love with their couches. Like, I get it. It sees. Whatever. There's no argument. Like, I'm trying to reason this, but. No, we have this commonly with random s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There are people like, PETA is out there f****** chickens. Do you know?

Cristina: No, no, that's not what's happening.

Jack: That's exactly what's happening. They fall in love with these animals and then f*** them. What?

Cristina: That reminds me of the Catholic Church. I just read this thing today that they. They're removing that priests can't. There was already a law. This is a shocking thing to me. At least that was letting priests keep, you know, the confessions of people a secret. Like, you know, you tell me. I don't have to tell anyone what you did.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: Including pedophile stuff like abuse. They don't have to tell anyone.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: And this place just removed that. So now the priests have to tell the truth. And I'm like, oh my gosh, is this how the priest got away with this all this time?

Jack: But, oh, well, no, probably. But that's in a lot of different areas that law is applied. Psychiatrists have that, lawyers have that, psychologists have that, social workers have that, doctors have that. All these people have that same rule of when you tell us something and anything I know about you is absolutely confidential and if I tell anybody, I lose my license and go to jail.

Cristina: Yes. I Wonder how many of them were being the abuser at the same time.

Jack: Being what?

Cristina: The abuser while saying that, like, oh.

Jack: Yeah, there had to be a bunch of hypocrites.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Like, that's so crazy.

Jack: So there are doctors who steal organs. They made an oath to not hurt people. It's the same s***.

Cristina: Oh, that's pretty horrible too. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. That's crazy s*** out there.

Cristina: That's pretty crazy. What?

Jack: How many cops who take an oath to uphold the law are in the background doing a bunch of illegal s***? Happens everywhere. Everybody is corrupt in their own system. They're a bunch of hypocrites. There has to be.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. It's crazy. Know what else is crazy? There was this lady who had to go to hospital because she. I don't know exactly why she think. I think her farts were gonna kill her or something. She was selling her farts and she had a crazy diet.

Jack: To create the smelliest of parts.

Cristina: Yes, to create the smelliest of parts. And then she ended up in the hospital after, like, two months.

Jack: What was wrong with her diet?

Cristina: I don't know. It was mostly like. Is probably not the healthiest thing just all beans. Yeah.

Jack: Cheese. Every day, all day.

Cristina: Yes. Pretty much every day. All day.

Jack: Cheesy bean burritos. Every day. Spicy cheesy bean burritos.

Cristina: Yes. All day. Breakfast, lunch, dinner.

Jack: Yes. Sell these farts with a cup of coffee and a banana.

Cristina: Oh, wouldn't that make her poop?

Jack: Yeah, that's gonna make her poop very watery, and then it's gonna make a lot of. Just a great combo to make it smell.

Cristina: Ew. But she's not selling her poops.

Jack: Oh, she has to make gas. Yeah. Mine. Screw the coffee and the banana. She needs to make her poops. Smell her. Her fart smell. Not her poops. So we need to make her gassy and smelly.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So she needs a lot of carbonated drinks. Oh, she needs broccoli and cheese.

Cristina: Yum. But. And beans.

Jack: You're totally right. Broccoli, cheese, beans.

Cristina: That's all I can think of. I'm not sure what else makes a person fart, but she was doing that. She was doing that and selling. She was making money.

Jack: She was making bank.

Cristina: How much was it for one jar? She sold like a. She was selling them for, like, a thousand dollars. The jars.

Jack: Holy f***, dude.

Cristina: She made over 200,000 in her two months of doing this, Yo.

Jack: Oh, my God.

Cristina: Ye. What? So it was just little jars with her farts and, like, little flower Petals in them too for some reason, which I don't know if that takes away from the fart.

Jack: Oh dude. What the is wrong with people? Had she what?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What? At a thousand dollars each? She had 200,000 people. Individuals.

Cristina: People are into farts.

Jack: Holy s***.

Cristina: You're gonna start selling fart. I wonder if you have to be famous though. Piece. I know she was. She's. I wouldn't say famous, but a celebrity, you know, like p***?

Jack: No, onlyfans celebrity.

Cristina: Well, probably. Probably. But she was like in. On tv, I think a reality show.

Jack: That has a lot to do with why she was selling them for a thousand dollars each successfully.

Cristina: So she's one of those type of people just trying to get become a famous something. But then she made an adult website and then for some reason, I guess someone asked her for a fart. So that's how it started her fart career.

Jack: I wonder if Miley Cyrus decided because she's weird like this, right? So she would be like, alright, from now on I'm gonna start selling my farts. How much could Miley Cyrus sell one bottle of her fart for? She's a super mega duper star. No, you know what? No. This is the only feasible human I think would do this. I was like Beyonce fart.

Cristina: But like, well, why not in the.

Jack: Same situation, Beyonce would just say yes for whatever reason.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: How much in theory will she make? Could Beyonce with one jar. Sell one? Yeah. One jar of a fart for. We're talking this like person who was once on TV for some s*** we don't know about. Some Z class celebrity.

Cristina: You could. She couldn't even sell it. It would have to be something auctioned off.

Jack: It would be too valuable. Especially because it's really weird, right? It's such a strange thing. And also like a kink thing. It's such a. It's just a really complicated situation.

Cristina: Yes, yes it is.

Jack: Simply because it's a Beyonce fart in a jar.

Cristina: Exactly. Like the things people will do like for her hair, her nail clippings. Like I don't.

Jack: Man, you gotta understand. Somebody is going to some billion. It depends on who buys it, right? If it's just like just a filthy billionaire. He's gonna have it just because everybody else. I have the thing they don't have and they want it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Never going to open it. Don't give a. He's going to put it somewhere and just tell people I own Beyonce's part. He's going to put it in a case, walk people into a Room.

Cristina: I think that's better than a super fan.

Jack: Yes, that's. This is the problem. A super fan is going to enjoy it way more.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: One time.

Cristina: Yes. They're going to perfume themselves with that fire.

Jack: They're going to jerk off to it. They're going to sniff the crap out of it. They're going to stick that bottle in all their holes. They're going to do all the up with thing.

Cristina: They're gonna put water in it, in the glass so far and then freeze it and then take it out.

Jack: No, if you put water in it, the. They'll empty out. They can't.

Cristina: They can't. They have to put that fart.

Jack: Well, they have to put the bottle in there as it is and hope that the fart can freeze. It just needs to get so cold that the fart falls to the bottom and it's frozen somehow. And then they can extract it. Coin of Beyonce's collected frozen fart. And then they could just eat it or whatever they're gonna do, you know, whatever the.

Cristina: If there's a rose petal in there, maybe it'll like stick to the rose petal and then they can eat that.

Jack: So that like, they could save a part of it if they wanted. Man, that's f***** up.

Cristina: But the rose petal brings its own scent.

Jack: What we need. Yeah, exactly. So we need to find something also. Like, is she.

Cristina: Consider.

Jack: How is she bottling her farts? This is another problem because I think she's scamming these people.

Cristina: But she actually did the diet. No, she went to the hospital.

Jack: Look, I. I think she's maybe inadvertently scamming them. How is she capturing the farts, bro? I guess it's not really that complicated. She could just. Her a** has to be bare and then she has to put plastic surrounding her b*******, particularly far into like a bag. But then she can close. Hot pinch off.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's trapped in there. Then she connects the bottle to the end where her a** was previously attached to the bag. And then she squeezes the bag a little, thus putting the. The. The fart a little. A little bit of the fart into the bottle. And then closing the bottle with.

Cristina: I don't understand.

Jack: So there's a couple of things. That bottle, she needs something that. Like a. Like a sponge of some sort. So that that sponge can really like, sort of retain the. The. The palpable fart aroma.

Cristina: Then why would.

Jack: In the bottle, you want something that's going to hold it but doesn't have its own sun that's why the rose petals are stupid.

Cristina: Yeah, but I don't think she was thinking about it.

Jack: This is why. I mean, she probably just, like, farted.

Cristina: Into the air and tried to catch.

Jack: It and bottled it. I'm telling you, systems that she did not consider in order to optimize how to best give the highest quality so that later she can raise her prices. She's not thinking.

Cristina: No, but it doesn't matter. Like, she ended up hospitalized, so.

Jack: Did she die, though?

Cristina: No, no.

Jack: Did she even waste half of her money that she made in this process?

Cristina: Probably not.

Jack: Yeah. So she's good.

Cristina: Do you think she should start again?

Jack: No, know I'm saying, like, she made her return. Who cares if she went to the hospital? She. She knows she made money and she.

Cristina: Can find the next weird kinky thing to sell.

Jack: No, I think she. She definitely has the thing here.

Cristina: You think she. She should go back to it then? Yeah.

Jack: She just needs to figure out how to keep herself with. With nutrients in her body. She needs to have nutrients in her body.

Cristina: She should stop worrying about having stingy parts. Like, it should just be fine. Farts, whether it's stinky or not.

Jack: Well, the kink part is probably what gets a lot of that money in there.

Cristina: And it needs to be stinky.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They want to be like, oh, yeah, there's something good here. Oh, yeah. They want to smell it. Oh, yeah. Feels it's her.

Cristina: It's her fart, maybe not farts. What about, like, sweaty socks or something like that stinks.

Jack: Yeah, people do that. That's too. And you can just wear that. And it's a literal item you can hold.

Cristina: Yeah. There's easier ways to sell more.

Jack: I think it would actually. Because feet and people.

Cristina: Yeah, people like feet.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think. I think sweaty socks probably makes more money.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's way easier. You could buy packs of hundreds of.

Cristina: Socks you can wear multiple at a time.

Jack: Well, no, you want to optimize it. You just do a day. I mean, I guess you do. You just work out a lot.

Cristina: Yeah, that's what I was saying. Like, you go to the gym, you put on five pairs.

Jack: No, no, not even look, you. I mean, I guess some people are just gonna get weaker socks than others because whatever sock is farthest from your foot is going to be the weakest sock. It's gonna smell the least. It's gonna have the least amount of sweat.

Cristina: Then you reuse those as the first sock.

Jack: Then you can just wear one at a time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the idea here Would be you would just turn your life into a series of being healthy activities. Hiking and exercising and whatever. And you're always wearing these socks. So you. Let's say you work out eight hours a day doing different kinds of workouts. And that's all you do. Not even ate at four hours a day. It every hour swap to a different pair of socks.

Cristina: And when you sell it, do you sell them as pairs?

Jack: No. I guess you would sell one. Why would you sell two? Let's say one. People are weird. Maybe they don't wear your socks. God, it's so weird. Anyways, so you. You go ahead and use. Yeah, I guess you do. So every hour. That's for a day. Without even counting the socks you'd wear throughout the rest of your day.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You also need to make shoes wears exclusively. Shoes that are so. That aren't breathable. No air gets in so that you get as sweaty as possible. You just customize your life for this. You buying? You look. Every one individual that pays has already covered the pair of their socks that you have bought. That is. So you're making crazy bank. If you buy. If every pair was a dollar and you sold the pair of socks for a thousand.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You made them with 999 increase.

Cristina: Crazy. What's crazier though? Farts. Socks. You think there's something else?

Jack: There's something weird about farts more than socks somehow.

Cristina: That is so weird. I don't know why. I guess because it's not there. Like you can't even.

Jack: What about the bath water situation?

Cristina: That's pretty bad too.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Is it worse than socks?

Jack: The fact that people drink in it?

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But this is. This is what makes me think about. I know people can be weird about that f****** fart or the socks. You know how many guys are gonna jerk off in that sock simply because it was on some chick's feet?

Cristina: So weird. But that Beyonce part, that would be crazy.

Jack: Also, let's be real. There's some money opportunities here just. Just for you to consider if you ever wanted to become filthy rich.

Cristina: Who, me?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Just being a female allows this to be quite easy for you.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: The logic is making only fans where they only see your feet ever. And then sell merchandise that has been on your feet for absurd amounts of money. It's very easy.

Cristina: My feet have to be attractive looking like this.

Jack: You just learn how to pose your feet.

Cristina: The end.

Jack: I guess it doesn't even matter. People like different things. You just take photos and the bright audience will find you that's crazy.

Cristina: And then you know what this lady did after that? She's still selling farts. Sort of. They're NFT farts.

Jack: She is. How is she?

Cristina: I don't know how it works.

Jack: So just let me just run by the technology she went from. I'm not considering this at all, too. I'm using innovative new world tech in order to design fart experiences in virtual reality.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So I have gone so far to the other side that I have scientists actively figuring out. Figuring out how to convey my farts into your senses through the new VR landscape that is happening. Soon. Soon you'll be able to buy her virtual farts. Virtual farts in the. What is the multiverse?

Cristina: The multiverse?

Jack: No, what is it called?

Cristina: It's not the multiverse.

Jack: No, the multiverse.

Cristina: That's not Facebook's word.

Jack: The metaverse. In the metaverse.

Cristina: Ah, okay. Yeah. You can buy her parts in the metaverse.

Jack: I mean, NFTs exist in the metaverse, so you're gonna. You can already do the f****** thing.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't understand. Like, is it gonna be a picture? I don't know.

Jack: This is what I'm saying.

Cristina: She's.

Jack: She's innovating. It. It's an nft. It's a digital nft. So you forever preserve her fart and can smell it for the rest of eternity. And only they can prove the real smell is this. You know, somehow it's trace. Somehow you can trace this smell to the original owner.

Cristina: Complicated. NFT is confusing enough already.

Jack: She's figured it out, bro.

Cristina: She is made a smell. That's ridiculous.

Jack: 200,000. All she did was reinvest in herself. She paid one scientist 200,000. It's like with these $200,000, you better figure out how I can preserv my farts forever and everybody can buy them.

Cristina: And own the same fart anymore. Because she doesn't own that far. Or every time she.

Jack: No, she makes a new fart, she can keep making new farts and selling them at the original bidder. She doesn't have the original bid. You know, she doesn't have to worry about it. She just keeps making bank every time somebody new pays for that.

Cristina: Oh. Because every fight fart is unique. Every fart is unique.

Jack: Every fart, every scent, every, you know, every fart procedurally generated.

Cristina: Ah, so ridiculous.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's. She heard us. And then immediately got to work so that by the end of the same story, you'd land at her already having figured out the problem. She Thought about this.

Cristina: She's a genius. She's a genius, man. That is ridiculous. There's also another ridiculous story. Is this man dressed up as an old lady in a wheelchair to go into a museum where the Mona Lisa is, wherever that place is, and he threw a cake at it.

Jack: Did it land?

Cristina: I think so. I don't know.

Jack: Is he in prison?

Cristina: Probably, yes. He did it, though. Why did he do it? He did it for the world. He said, think of the world. There are people who are destroying the Earth.

Jack: Is so. All right. To summarize, to reiterate, in other words.

Cristina: Yes. He said artists. Artists tell you, think of the Earth. That's why I did it.

Jack: He thinks the Mona Lisa is responsible for something. He thinks the Mona Lisa is ignoring the problem. Okay, wait. Right. So worry about the planet.

Cristina: Who is telling. He's telling her.

Jack: He's so angry at her. What does she do? Why isn't she worried about global warming and stuff?

Cristina: Exactly. So he was sent to a psychiatric unit.

Jack: Okay. Yeah, the nuts. That's fair. That's fair. He was very angry at the Mona Lisa because of what's happening to the world.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay, okay. Let's take a look.

Cristina: That makes the story. Mike.

Jack: Maybe he has no. Like, you know, just let's. Let's just assume he's not f****** crazy. And maybe it's just a weird situation that we're not understanding. And to him it made perfect sense. Maybe this would make sense. So how do I think it makes sense? Perhaps this guy has no idea what that painting is about, and he has no idea how old the painting is. Maybe he just knows that's a famous painting. And maybe he thinks it's a painting of a person who's actively, currently, right now, famous. Like alive. They're just an old person. Live.

Cristina: Right?

Jack: So he has no idea. And so he thinks that the world is here. Oh, man. Every time I see this museum, everybody's in there. They're looking at the celebrity. They're always looking at the celebrity. And there's so much suffering in the world. Then this thing that Ukraine happens and whatever, and he's this aggravated that I don't even see this person show up on tv. I've seen the painting a million times. I know what they would look like if they showed up on TV talking about the issues. But they're always, at least enough that people come back regularly to look at a picture of them. So why aren't they talking? And he just had it. And one day he's like this stupid b**** I've never seen in my life. F*** you. Here's a cake. You should be worried, you horrible person who's just so vain that people just look at you and he thinks that's a person who's live right now.

Cristina: There's no way. Because then why would they take him to where they took him if they. He thought that. Because that's kind of reasonable. If he thought that was a real person.

Jack: I guess they don't know this story.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They're just like, he threw a cake and screamed, it's your fault.

Cristina: He didn't just throw a cake. He walked in there. Not walked in. He was in a wheelchair. He rolled in there with a woman's wig on.

Jack: Okay, yes. I forgot you said that part. I feel like I stroked out.

Cristina: You pretended to be an old lady.

Jack: I feel like I stroked out immediately after you said that and blocked that whole part out and only remembered that this man threw a cake at it and tried to reason that mess out. But no, he walked in there.

Cristina: He wheeled in there, Wheeled in, rolled in there. He rolled in there in a wheelchair with a wig on, pretending to be an old lady.

Jack: Hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up.

Cristina: He's not old. He's like.

Jack: Hold on. 36. Did he need the wheelchair either? Like, was the fact that he was in a wheelchair because he didn't require the wheelchair and so he was. It was weird that he was on one or was the wheelchaired fellow wearing a wig?

Cristina: I'm not sure, actually. So it could have been just a wheelchair.

Jack: Like, it's. Is it a guy who already has things wrong with him?

Cristina: I don't know. I like to imagine that. No, no, he was like. He was a normal dude.

Jack: Same as the wig. The wheelchair just did.

Cristina: Not prop.

Jack: Yeah, it was just. How funny if I went in there.

Cristina: But I don't know. Like, how would you do it, though, if you. If the wheelchair is not normal, how did you woo yourself in there normally? I mean, I guess it's not a hard thing to use. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you're also pretending to be old lady.

Jack: Is he pretending to be an old lady or did he look obviously like a man with a wig?

Cristina: I don't know. They described it that he disguised as an old woman, so there must have been someone convinced.

Jack: No, no, no.

Cristina: This wasn't a.

Jack: It doesn't mean that disguise was by any means. Couldn't.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It could have just been that this guy wore a wig. I guess I would have just said it. That Way, Right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: A man in a woman's wig or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah. It could have just been a guy in a wig. Like, why would they say old lady? He must have been trying to be an old lady.

Jack: No. Yeah, Fair. That's fair. You're totally reasonable. He was definitely. No, I mean, he could still be trying to be an old lady and look like a dude. Yes, but I'm saying, like. No, he had to be at least convincing because it would have just said.

Cristina: A guy in a wig.

Jack: A guy in a wig. No, the fact that it was a disguise.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Means that he was. It was a lab.

Cristina: And the wheelchair. Like, if he wasn't already disabled. Like, they would just say a disabled guy with a wig.

Jack: No, I don't feel they would have addressed it at all.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Or they would have tried to be casual about it. Like the. A man wearing, you know, disguised as a woman, wheeled himself into. So that they just brush over the fact that he's in a wheelchair as opposed to making a point of it.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You know, because it's not important to the story. But they can still inform us about the guy he wheeled himself into.

Cristina: Yes, but no, he disguised himself as a lady.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That's pretty crazy. And you said you mentioned the volcano earlier, right?

Jack: Yeah. To throw the goats in.

Cristina: There was a story where a guy almost fell down a volcano. A young guy. He was trying to take a selfie, probably, and his phone dropped into the volcano. So he was like, let me go get that.

Jack: Let me go down into the volcano and get my phone.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I mean, look, movies and video games have people going into a volcano, but it makes sense because the volcano is just a mountain with a hole that gold that goes to the center of Earth. But, like, it's still a mountain. So there's holes here and there where you just climb down. Usually the big hole in the middle. And if it's not an active volcano, it's dormant. There's a lot of, like, dryness there that you could just. It's just a hole. You could go into the hole and it's rocky. It's not just a straight hole. Straight down is this.

Cristina: He's not been near that hole. There's probably giant, like, signs everywhere saying, don't be here. This is a restricted area. This is dangerous.

Jack: Probably or probably not? Depends. If it's just a dead volcano, it doesn't matter.

Cristina: Well, yes, but there was signs, I think. Yeah, there was still, like, you shouldn't be there type of thing.

Jack: Like, don't climb into the center of the Earth. It might be a problem.

Cristina: This is not a tourist spot.

Jack: I wonder, man. Like, could we, in theory, just keep climbing? Why do we need to dig all the way down? Couldn't we just walk down?

Cristina: Walk down what?

Jack: A volcano? Into the center. Where's the lava coming from? It comes from the center. Not literally the center, but, you know, like way in there.

Cristina: People die, don't they?

Jack: Yeah, but then if we already can't just go through the holes that already exist, we're like, well, if we dig far enough, we'll be able to, like, unless we. So the goal of digging deep enough is it because we know how far in lava would be, so we could stop before then and then explore that area. That would be the only logic.

Cristina: If we did what?

Jack: Again, dig deep enough into the Earth, knowing where lava begins and stopping right before we get there so that we can explore the deepest depth. Depth.

Cristina: Without hitting lava.

Jack: Without hitting lava. Also, this is some kind of a movie where they somehow made a ship that could withstand lava.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Because they had to go to the center of the Earth in a ship. In a ship.

Cristina: Into lava.

Jack: Into lava. And in the center of the Earth, they were gonna detonate nukes.

Cristina: Wait, if you're talking about King Kong, they were in a spaceship or something.

Jack: It's called the core.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: It's a movie about a group of scientists, space scientists, astronauts making a ship. Well, no, I'm sure a submarine made the ship. It's kind of like an excavator of some sort that digs, but it looks like a train or something.

Cristina: Okay, that makes more sense than a boat. Yeah, I guess.

Jack: And so they get in this ship. Yeah. Or. Or thing, this pod. It's like a train. Whatever. They get in the thing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they dive in it. It. It has lasers or. Or something that's shooting in front of it and digging.

Cristina: This sounds ridiculous.

Jack: As they're going through.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so as you're. As you're going through, the idea is to go to the center of the Earth and like, jump start Earth because it stopped and its magnetic field is about to fade away. Or some. Or maybe that's not the plot. Maybe it's like the. The Earth's heat is escap. To jump start the Earth from the center is the point.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To save Earth. And then they got to escape. None of this matters. I'm just giving you a simple. The point is they somehow built a ship that could withstand being in lava.

Cristina: Did they explain it or was it like magic? Movie magic.

Jack: They probably explained it. But I'm sure if you thought about the explanation, like physics doesn't apply really. They just said a bunch of big words so the. That people who know, like the commoner doesn't know what the f*** they're talking about. So you're just gonna be like, oh yeah, the digamajugi does the whatever. Mabob.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so we're just like, yeah, totally. But like a scientist would be like, what? This is mad gibberish.

Cristina: This is. Yeah, probably.

Jack: Yeah, it's probably how it happened.

Cristina: King Kong, though. When they go to the center of the Earth, it's another world.

Jack: With the sky.

Cristina: Yeah, with the sky. What?

Jack: That sky is underneath us. Yeah.

Cristina: Or inside us. Not underneath or I guess both is. Right.

Jack: Well, here's a way to screw your mind up. If everything repeats in every direction and everything is visibly equal in every direction, why wouldn't there be a sky beneath us? And we're seeing a sky, but we're also like the sky we're seeing is within a dome and somebody standing on the other side of that dome with their own sky and this just repeats infinitely. Like, why wouldn't it?

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: It checks out according to what it seems reality is.

Cristina: Sure, that could work.

Jack: Yeah. So as crazy as it is, also like, seems like a. Like a coin flip away, I guess.

Cristina: But I hope our center of the earth does have. What was in there. Godzilla? King Kong?

Jack: Both.

Cristina: Both. No, King Kong comes from somewhere on earth. On top of Earth, I guess, whatever. On a random island.

Jack: Isn't Godzilla also just some sort of experiment gone wrong?

Cristina: Yes, actually. Yes. Okay. I don't know. What's the explanation?

Jack: Yeah, I don't know which one of these f****** came from the other side or is.

Cristina: Or both of them did.

Jack: No, that's where the evil robot making people are, right? That's where they made the evil robot in the center. I don't f******. Whatever.

Cristina: I didn't see this movie.

Jack: Neither did I. I'm just guessing at this point.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Look, the point is everybody should watch King Kong vs Godzilla. Because it was a great movie.

Cristina: We should watch it and then talk about it.

Jack: Oh, s***. I like that. We should totally. And then we'll come and report.

Cristina: Yeah, maybe.

Jack: Maybe we can do like those shows and we'll have a whole episode just dedicated to unpacking Godzilla versus King Kong.

Cristina: I wonder how much is there to actually unpack.

Jack: Man, I'll turn this into homework. I'll take notes and everything we'll have. We can have a full conversation about King Kong. Versus Godzilla.

Cristina: All right, we'll do that. Yes, yes, let's do that. Well, anyway, this guy who fell in the volcano survived.

Jack: Yeah. Because there's probably no lava on the volcano. It's just he fell and I don't. He probably just came back and told people in town, hey, guys, I fell into the volcano and came out, hey.

Cristina: There was another guy who fell into that same crater and he died.

Jack: It's probably because he hit his head on the way down.

Cristina: And then another. A child fell in and fell into boiling mud. And then his parents tried to save him, and then all three of them died.

Jack: How does anybody know this happened?

Cristina: They find the bodies? I don't know. I don't know. There's someone's job to clean out the volcano from the dead bodies of the people. Like, they just know people are gonna fall in there.

Jack: So, like, the news quickly breaks down when you think about it. Right. Like, where coming from. If people. If everybody who experiences this diet.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Who's coming back to tell us?

Cristina: They have to. I guess people. No, the people who are like, hey, my. My parents disappeared. Where are they?

Jack: And they went up to the volcano. I know.

Cristina: Like, yes. Or that area.

Jack: No, not even. So how. What's the order of. They can't do anything.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Because they would also die trying to get to these people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So how do you know the order of events?

Cristina: That would have to be the order.

Jack: No. Why. Why couldn't they all have just fallen in?

Cristina: Oh, yeah, they could have. No, I mean, like, someone told.

Jack: No, no, no. I'm sure somebody found out. How do they know the details of how it happened? This person fell in first. People trying to get him out. Out. Fell into. How do you know they didn't all just jump in? Like, hey, boiling mud party, guys, you know, like, how do we know this isn't another guy's situation where they're like, you know what I'm thinking? Into the bushes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Into the bushes.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. Because of how their bodies looked, I guess would tell them everything.

Jack: No, no. It's like squirm and scream and die. You changed your position. Just jump in and freeze.

Cristina: I don't know. Maybe someone was tape recording this specific family. Maybe there was a fourth member who was like, nah.

Jack: And he's back and he's like, you guys would have believed what I just saw. You think I'm crazy, but all my family just jumped into sound like, I did this. Please don't take me to jail, but my family. Okay. Oh, my God. Cops. Cops. I'm horrified. I'm horrified. Look, I didn't do anything. I did not do anything.

Cristina: I feel like that's suspicious already.

Jack: How do you get my. My God. No, you. How do you.

Cristina: Yeah, look straight out.

Jack: Say it, my fam. Oh, my God, My family just jumped into the volcano. Oh, my God, My family just jumped into the volcano. My little brother fell in. Yeah, I guess, I guess. No, it checks out. Checks out. You panic. Oh, my God. My little brother fell in and then my parents tried to get him and it fell in and then everybody was screaming and I couldn't do it. Oh, my God.

Cristina: Oh my God, I couldn't do it.

Jack: That's so. Okay, yeah, if it checks out, I could see that.

Cristina: That totally checks out.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. It would just be panic. You cuz this too premeditated. If you're like, I didn't do it.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Even if you didn't, you began way suspicious.

Cristina: Yeah. Yes. Even if you did nothing, because they're definitely gonna. Like, even in the moment, they might think about it, but they'll have that recording. Yeah.

Jack: They're gonna be like, man, how weird that this person immediately began with a disclosure of their innocence.

Cristina: Yeah, that's really sus.

Jack: That's super sus. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: But you see how innocent I am. I would. I would 100% begin like that and be like, guys, I totally didn't do anything, but. And I. Innocent. I know this guy is innocent. I'm making him up as I go. I know factually he's innocent. Yeah. And I'm still like, hey, guys, I didn't do anything, but look like there's nothing more suspicious. Dude, I didn't think you did anything until right now.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I didn't even know anything happened until you told me. You didn't do the thing that. That I didn't know existed.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, like, now I only associate the thing that happened with the potential that maybe you were involved.

Cristina: Like, real crime that's happened. Like when you find out the kid killed the parents or whatever. That's always how it is. Like, I didn't do anything. I just walked home and my parents were dead or whatever the story is.

Jack: Yeah, they were like this when I found them.

Cristina: Yes, yes. Or the husband's like, oh, I just stumbled. Like my wife fell down the stairs or something. I didn't do anything. Like oj.

Jack: Oj like, no, I came in, it was like this.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They don't know. OJ didn't even call the cops right Somebody else had to find a body.

Cristina: He was probably, I don't know. He definitely did it though, right?

Jack: Like, I don't. Allegedly. I don't know, man. I was, I didn't solve this crime.

Cristina: But look, they all based it on a dumb glove.

Jack: Like according, I don't know because. According to who? Right? Like media. Media says the people, the lawyers I've never met because of the research. They didn't do that some cops did, that they didn't meet. They're just trusting that these people do their job really well, but that these people are getting underfunded any and they don't have the resources. All cops are like, we're underpaid. This person's probably stressed. Who did the entire, you know this, the CSI people who went in and did the investigation. This guy was stressed as. We don't know, bro.

Cristina: Have we watched him try to put the glove on his face?

Jack: No. I remember it was all tiny and s***.

Cristina: But no, like, did you see him even really try? Like, did it look like he was trying to put the glove on?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Can I see you real quick?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Why did they get him to put the gloves on on top of gloves?

Jack: The gloves that he already had on were leathix gloves. They wouldn't create any real large barrier between his hand and the other gloves.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah, it's very strange.

Jack: It's so that he doesn't get the, the gloves, he doesn't get his fingerprints on them, he doesn't touch them, none of his body oils or anything get on the gloves so that later they could be like, oh, we found this bullshit on here.

Cristina: Why didn't they just buy new gloves?

Jack: No, it has to be the same gloves that were at the crime scene. It's the gloves that the crime was committed with.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So you have to try them on to prove whether he could fit the gloves or not that were found at the crime scene. I know factually those gloves were the things holding the murder weapons.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So if he couldn't fit them, he can prove his innocence. But if he could fit them, well, even if he couldn't prove his guilt, you would have one more piece of innocent, one more piece of evidence against him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To made sense to do that.

Cristina: Interesting and strange. It's just so strange to have that as an evidence to watch him put gloves on.

Jack: I mean, the same thing would apply with like, if we knew for a fact the exact shoes that were at a crime scene.

Cristina: Oh, and have the person try them. Wrong.

Jack: Yeah, they would have to try the shoes on. If they fit perfectly.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay. You know. Yeah, this is the same idea.

Cristina: That's interesting.

Jack: Well, look, we're running out of time, right? So to summarize the things we've learned today. Actually, f*** summarizing the things we've learned today. Basically, we need to get you to take a bunch of photos of your feet, put them on an onlyfans, and I suppose advertise your feet also on Twitter so that people then go to your onlyfans for essentially the same photos, except they're giving you money for it this time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we're gonna have you wear different socks on and sell the photos. But one lucky individual gets to buy whatever socks are in said photos, and they'll buy those for thousands.

Cristina: Why? Because we should fart on them.

Jack: Yeah, we should. You should fart on your. On your sweaty workout socks.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We're gonna make it. I'm your manager here.

Cristina: We'll make a killing out of socks that were fart socks.

Jack: That's gonna be our business. We're just gonna call it sweaty fart.

Cristina: Socks to sell to people who have goats. Their goats will love it.

Jack: Sweaty fart socks, man. D***. This is gonna be great. We're gonna be rich. Does not feel like appropriate merchandise for this show. How would we even make that happen? It would be impossible. We'd need to hire people.

Cristina: We need to hire people so then.

Jack: Walk around in the sock so that we can have a lot of merchandise for the floods of people who would be buying all the socks.

Cristina: Okay, so wouldn't. Why would they want just random people?

Jack: Because they want smelly socks, period.

Cristina: Oh, okay. It's just about now selling.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: We need to.

Jack: We need to mass produce these socks so we can make a killing.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: I'm thinking about big money.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Not like, not small family owned business.

Cristina: But do they need to know who wore the socks?

Jack: No, no, no. This. Screw this home owned, family owned business sock bullshit. We're trying to be like Walmart. We squeeze out these little bottle farting b****** and these stupid sock selling jackasses and we're gonna have a f****** enterprise. I am in the empire business.

Cristina: Farty socks. Farty sweaty socks.

Jack: Sweaty fart socks.

Cristina: Sweaty fart socks. Okay?

Jack: That's all that matters in the world. Sweaty fart socks.

Cristina: Yes. Let us know if you would be into some sweaty fart socks.

Jack: Everybody wants the sweaty fart socks.

Cristina: Mm. Mm.

Jack: Look, if you guys want to keep. You want to. You want to follow, you want to understand and follow this Journey as this business, this new startup we're about to launch, starts to take form. If you guys want to be in on the ground floor of sweaty fart socks, you can follow our socials, where we'll be putting all that information at Twitter, Instagram and tick tock at just come of a pod, you know.

Cristina: Yes. Remember to subscribe, rate, and review the show.

Jack: Yes. That's how you're gonna find out. And let us know that you are ready for this new venture, the new direction we're taking this show in.

Cristina: Yeah. And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Also send us a comment. Do you want sweaty fart socks?

Cristina: Yes. Tell us. Like, look, tell your friends that you know would be into it and tell them to tell us.

Jack: Y. Oh, yeah, that's totally. Makes sense. So word of mouth, you know, look, if you want us to make a.

Cristina: Fortune, would they want us?

Jack: Or if you want sweaty fart socks. Look, look, the point of the sweaty fart socks are on the table now.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's. It's a joke and we're kidding. Unless somebody's like, but I'll pay for it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then I'll be like, hey, hey, you want to come? We need to talk. Look, there's a money offer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So this is a reality now. We're going to get. Get paid for your sweaty fart socks.

Cristina: Of course. Of course. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. Okay.

Jack: Penguins are the troops. They are quick mobility in arctic conditions, and they survive the arctic conditions quite effectively. They can swim. They can walk. There's quite an abundance of them surrounding the entirety, making sure nobody crosses the Arctic wall without a pass. And. And on top of all that, they leave and can get quickly to the overlords and inform them if somebody did make it over.

Cristina: Oh, okay. What? They, like, quickly walk because they're not very.

Jack: They can swim.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, they're swimming. Okay. Why can't they fly? Why not make them to be able to fly like that?

Jack: It's already cold. Why would you put them higher up where there's less ability to stay warm?

Cristina: Because they're not living things. Or are they? Also, they're live. They're alive.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: They're man made, but they're living creatures.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's what you get when you merge something like, I don't know, like, what's a really fuzzy short thing?

Cristina: Hamster.

Jack: Insignificantly tiny things. It's a chimera of sorts. Who cares what things emerge? It's a chimera of sorts.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then part human, actually.

Cristina: Part. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Yeah, but these are people who signed up for it.

Cristina: Part human, part robot. Is that what's happening?

Jack: No.

Cristina: No. Oh, okay.

Jack: It's all biological. It needs to be able to survive in the Arctic. They can't be delivering batteries and s*** out to the middle of West Bubba. The resources wasted would be absurd.

Cristina: I don't know. I thought they were, like, sun powered or something.

Jack: That would make total sense considering how few trees there are outside there.

Cristina: Yeah. So. Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and Published by Great Thoughts.info Art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister, with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 141: What is Art?

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Does all art have meaning? Does creation have to be intentional to be considered art? The duo unpacks art, the meaning behind it, the evolution of art, artistry and what it takes to be an artist on this episode of Rambling.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

  • Evolution of Radio
  • Comedy Bang Bang
  • Earwolf
  • Meaning Behind Art
  • Accidental Art
  • Artist, Consumer, Product
  • Spotify
  • Everything is Art
  • The Jordan Harbinger Show
  • Music
  • Best Rapper
  • Alex Grey
  • Salvador Dali

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+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yeah. So go find people, tell them, hey, listen to this show. And you got to say with that radio voice. I did right there, hey, listen to the Just Conversation podcast live every Saturday at 8:00am At 8:00am yes. Usually when it goes up, I think, oh, okay. I'm 99% sure that it goes up at 8am okay. So that people have it on weekends.

Cristina: But they have to say, like, that.

Jack: They have to use their radio voice anytime they're referencing anything on the radio.

Cristina: But we're not on the radio.

Jack: You're right. Facts. This is Internet.

Cristina: This is Internet. Yes.

Jack: You're hearing our voice through the interwebs of the world.

Cristina: And the YouTube. I guess that's part of the Internet too.

Jack: But, like, all the things.

Cristina: All the things. Yeah, we're everywhere.

Jack: You can listen to us on wherever you listen to us.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I mean, if you're already hearing this, then wherever you are is fine, but.

Cristina: You still have to talk in that voice. Are you just talking in that voice to introduce this?

Jack: Yeah, you gotta tell people about the show. Listen to the Just Conversation podcast.

Cristina: Do people still make that voice? I mean, on radio?

Jack: I don't know. Right?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I feel like it's gotten more casual.

Cristina: It's become more podcasty.

Jack: Yes. There's a. Like, every f****** morning, there's a radio station. I hear that went from being a typical boring station to now just being 24. Seven podcasts.

Cristina: How do they do it? It's not the same people, is it?

Jack: No, it's just like, sport podcasts straight through a channel. It's like, whoa, that's kind of cool that they just, you know, a channel on the radio doing nothing but podcasting. No music. No nothing. Just podcast. No music, no music. Just podcasts.

Cristina: What, and that works for them?

Jack: I have no idea. I have no idea. How do you. How do we go about finding ratings for radio?

Cristina: I'm sure they're out there somewhere. There's gotta be. There's someone rating everything.

Jack: No, not people rating them. Like, how many people see a Thing.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Like, are people tuning in simply because it's a podcast of sorts?

Cristina: Yes. Hasu.

Jack: I don't know, because that's true. Question.

Cristina: Are there a bunch of podcasts about sports because there's a lot of listeners or there's just a lot of people who enjoy talking about sports? Like, is there a lot of people that want to hear about sports or want to talk about sports? What's more, Both.

Jack: I don't. What's more, obviously people who want to hear about sports.

Cristina: It has to be, right?

Jack: Yeah. Like by default, way less people want to talk than there are people who want to talk.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even people who love talking don't necessarily want to just talk sports. And even people who want to talk sports don't necessarily want to talk sports in front of a microphone.

Cristina: Yeah. And yet so many people do.

Jack: There's not a lot of people in that station. There might be like 12 people. Total 12 people throughout the course of the whole day.

Cristina: The whole day. Yeah.

Jack: Well, you're like, it's not a lot.

Cristina: Who wants to do that? I don't know.

Jack: They do.

Cristina: They do.

Jack: That's why they're doing it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Otherwise they wouldn't be. They'd be like, f*** this job, I'm leaving. Yeah, but like, they like sports. They have to be familiar with sports. It's not a thing you can't. Can not like, and then participate in. You have to know what you're talking about.

Cristina: Mm I wonder if they need to make a channel then for other things. If they can do that with sports, they can definitely do that with just like those ladies that do criminal.

Jack: Oh my God. You're talking about something kind of amazing. Like what if you turned on your radio and instead of hearing s***** music on loops.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There are stations dedicated to certain. It doesn't even have to be dedicated to certain things. Right. It could be like, you know, true crime is to some degree, it's true based on true crap. And it's dark. So this could be like the late night radio hour starting at like 8:00pm yeah.

Cristina: So it'll be like watching TV, but.

Jack: Yeah, but on the radio.

Cristina: Podcast.

Jack: And so the radio then plays it in disorder. So during a day they'll have more kid friendly things.

Cristina: Educational.

Jack: Educational, Yes. I guess not kid friendly because what kid is going to listen to podcasts but educational things and stuff. Funny things or funny things, but you know, not rated R. Yeah. And it's pretty much going to be education, like NPR stuff. A bunch of NPR stuff in the middle of the day and, like, shows that just talk about interesting things and talk to interesting people in relatively average ways.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then towards the late nights, you get the true crime podcast, the paranormal podcast, all these other kinds of fringy things. And maybe throughout the day, sprinkled, you get a couple of audio dramas. One here, one there. And so you got a little bit of everything going on.

Cristina: You need some audio dramas. What?

Jack: Yeah, that'd be pretty badass.

Cristina: Yeah. Let's start this channel.

Jack: You know who should, though? Scott Aukerman with all the Earwolf shows.

Cristina: We should do a radio.

Jack: Radio station that you just tune in and there's a schedule.

Cristina: Oh, yes.

Jack: Oh, yeah.

Cristina: That's a lot of stuff.

Jack: And then people fight for time slots all over again. Like, you could put it up whenever you want. That still works.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But your wolf radio is also going to want it. So your show has to be of a certain quality at the same time that you can still put it up.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And if it's. That if it meets the requirements, it could move to prime time. You want to get to prime time? When is the prime time for people to listen to podcasts? You want to be there.

Cristina: I feel like it. Wouldn't Comedy Bang Bang end up there. It would be his own show or.

Jack: No, it would be whatever makes him the most money.

Cristina: Ah, okay.

Jack: You know.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: Like, if it's prob. Out of all the things on Earwolf, Comedy Bang Bang is the powerhouse.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But, like, how did this get made pretty up there?

Cristina: How did this. Oh, yes.

Jack: That's way listened to show.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You know, so there's things.

Cristina: There are things, yes.

Jack: And Conan's shows on Earwolf, isn't it?

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: D***. That might be the moneymaker. That might be more than one that.

Cristina: I don't know if it's on that, though. The one that. What's his name? Will Ferrell. He does.

Jack: He's on Earwolf as well.

Cristina: I'm not sure, but if that is a Earwolf show. Whoa.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting.

Cristina: But I'm not sure if that is. Or if he's even still doing that. That might have been just a.

Jack: No, I think he's still doing it.

Cristina: Oh, really?

Jack: Yeah, I think he's still doing it. What the h*** is it called? The Ron Burgundy show.

Cristina: He must really love that character. I don't know if he does. I find him annoying, but people love that character.

Jack: Ron Burgundy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. People f****** hate Ron Burgundy.

Cristina: Oh, people hate that.

Jack: Well, no, people love Ron Burgundy.

Cristina: They love to Hate him.

Jack: Because they hate Ron Burgundy. They're like, this is a despicable human. You know who Ron Burgundy would get along with?

Cristina: Who?

Jack: Bad Grandpa.

Cristina: What?

Jack: They're the same vein.

Cristina: Like, I don't know.

Jack: But, you know, I do love the Ronald Burgundy podcast.

Cristina: You do?

Jack: Yeah. I love this. I hate it, and I love it.

Cristina: So you're the exact people that listen.

Jack: The specific episode that's the best is when we couldn't tell whether Peter Dinklage was acting or not.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it's like, yes, they're acting. We have to look this up to find out he was acting. But, God, he's such a good actor.

Cristina: Yes. Because it sounded like he was really there to read some poetry.

Jack: Like, who the h*** doesn't want to hear poet, dude? I was angry because it's like, peter Dinklish is gonna read f****** poetry, dude.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Holy f***.

Cristina: Yeah. And I think the story was, like, it was his child's poetry or some weird story like that. I don't know, man.

Jack: So awesome. Peter Dinklage reading poetry. I was truly intrigued. I'm like, yeah, this is awesome. And then Ron just f****** it up.

Cristina: And it was so believable.

Jack: Yeah. It's because Will Ferrell is also a great actor.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So Will Ferrell playing this troll. Committed to the troll.

Cristina: And Peter Dinklage being outraged.

Jack: So committedly.

Cristina: Yes. Very believable.

Jack: Yeah, man. That was pretty great. I dig it. Hated every second of it. Beloved every second of it. Because if it can make you feel anything, it's doing what it was meant to do.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's the point of all art, Right. To make you feel some s*** one way or another.

Cristina: But all art. I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: Fair enough. Not all art. No.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Something. It doesn't have to be the. Feel the same thing.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It comes into the idea of, like, abstract paintings, right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Where you're looking for aesthetic. A color pattern that works in the painting or type of strokes that look a certain way. An effect. You're looking for an effect.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Not necessarily something to provoke emotion, because I find it could, but that's 99% of the time. Just pretentious art douchebags who are pretending there's something in there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I love to talk to an artist who's like, yeah, my art had no f****** meaning. And then they tell me, like, but the f****** idiots selling it swear there was meaning, and the people buying it were dumber who ate it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. But the Passion behind his strokes. And it was so you can see the anger in the thing.

Cristina: And it's like selling a story that's really good. It's not even about the art anymore. It's about the story.

Jack: Well, this is my point. People are eating that s*** up, but there's nothing f****** there.

Cristina: There is the story that guys is.

Jack: Selling, then you are not feeling the painting.

Cristina: Well, the story. You think the painting.

Jack: It's not about the painting. The painting had none of that.

Cristina: No. Well, the artist didn't, but the person who's seeing it now does have that.

Jack: Yeah, but it's not about the. It's what they were pitched on.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It has nothing to do with the painting.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Somebody invented a narrative, and now somebody's following the narrative and they're associating it with the painting. But that did not come from the painting.

Cristina: That didn't. I know.

Jack: While the artist is like, well, this combination of red and white goes great with my kitchen. That's red and white.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You know, and it's like just the strokes and whatever. There's. You know, my kitchen has stripes on the walls, and I wanted to make some nice vertical stripes that match the color schem. Assuming somebody else has a similar thing going on somewhere in their lives. And they see and they're like, oh, this goes perfectly. There's no emotion in the sense of, oh, I feel the anger. But there is a pleasant aesthetic feeling, like, when you just see something beautiful.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That is what you're trying. So you're trying to get them to.

Cristina: Feel something, but just not a strong feeling.

Jack: It could be strong. You could be like, this is so beautiful. I've seen abstract art, and I'm like, what the f***? This is amazing.

Cristina: How did they do it? Yeah, usually.

Jack: But I'm also not like, oh, I can see the sadness in the. Like, who the f***, dude, Come on.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, it's like you're getting them to feel something different. There's the boring basic emotions. Oh, make you sad, make you happy, make you angry.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Make you depressed. Whatever. You know, make you feel love or whatever. But then there's the more obscure, abstract emotions, like just beautiful without emotion other than beautiful. Not happy, beautiful. It could be dark and beautiful. It could be sad and beautiful, could be gloomy and beautiful. But the beauty is what you're looting to. It's just like, wow, this is really impressive. Or how elegant the way the brush moves or whatever.

Cristina: Some abstract feeling for abstract feelings versus.

Jack: Just the normal boring feelings that everybody gets.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That if you can do that, that's the purpose of art, I think. I think it's also crazy subjective, but that's what I believe the true point of art is you're gonna feel something if you feel nothing. But also, I think it would be impossible to feel nothing.

Cristina: I think it's impossible. There's no way. You have to feel something.

Jack: Even if it's like.

Cristina: Even if it's positive or negative. Yeah. Like, if it's like, I don't like it or I do like it, that's something.

Jack: But if you could manage to be neutral, that's garbage.

Cristina: There's no way you could be neutral about it. I don't think that's possible. I don't think you could be neutral about any art.

Jack: You don't think that. You look at it and you're like.

Cristina: Okay, no, I don't know if that's possible. That's so weird.

Jack: You neither feel good nor bad about it. It's just like, okay, it's a thing.

Cristina: No way. But I guess there has to be. Maybe for photography, I don't know.

Jack: No, everything has to have. Everything has to. Have you seen a photo that you're like, no, that's a photo.

Cristina: Yes, that's a photo. I guess.

Jack: But then you see a photo, you're like, how the f*** did he catch that?

Cristina: Yeah, but that's. I guess, a person who's not trying to do something and someone who is.

Jack: Sometimes great things happen by accident. Making assumptions here.

Cristina: Yeah. Yes, I am.

Jack: Sometimes great things happen by accident. That's perfectly fine. You're skilled when you could do it intentionally. Yeah, but awesome things happen by accident.

Cristina: But in our accident, everywhere.

Jack: Everywhere, there are no exceptions to the rule. There are just as many talented people as. There are skilled people as. There is random look.

Cristina: Okay, yeah, there is random look.

Jack: Sometimes you're just f****** around and something happened, and now that's gonna be your thing because now you're obsessed with figuring out how to do it. Yes, but it happened by accident like that.

Cristina: The painter you interviewed, it was by accident, and now it's her thing.

Jack: Yes, Renee. Renee, Renee.

Cristina: Yes. She found her thing by accident.

Jack: By accident. She just threw the paint on a canvas and then came back the next day and saw what looked like a face and then started picking at it. By accident. Was that there? She's had a moment of frustration, and that is exactly what happened. Sometimes by accident. And then you're like, whoa, wow, there's something here.

Cristina: Yeah, but to redo it, that's how that seems Harder to do once you.

Jack: Yeah. That's when you commit to it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because now you know where you're looking.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Before, you were just winging it. Now you know where you're looking.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. How did we get here? From the radio.

Jack: Because the radio is going to put podcasts on the radio. And then we're talking about Ron Burgundy, because Earwolf would be on the radio, and we were saying, is Ron Burgundy part of that? And then talking about that great episode in which it made us both angry.

Cristina: And happy, and that made us think of art.

Jack: Because art, that's art. That's like, all things.

Cristina: Okay. That's art.

Jack: That's art. It is a performance you're putting on.

Cristina: Yes. Everything's art.

Jack: Everything is art. Everything is art. For sure.

Cristina: Yeah. Is that what we're getting from everything? Is that why people love the Internet? It's just art.

Jack: The problem is when you consume more than you return, when you take more out of the world than you put into the world, you are a problem. You are a resource draining problem. That's why you become the product.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Not the consumer.

Cristina: But don't you need some of that? I guess. I don't know.

Jack: Not really. You don't need a consumer. I mean, you don't need a product. Not a person as a product.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But because so many people become just. They don't give anything.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: They become the product. So there's three kinds of people, Right. There's a person who makes a thing, there's a person who buys the thing, and there's a person who is the thing. Person who buys, person who makes the thing, we will call the artist.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The person who buys the thing has supported the artist.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The person who just watches the thing without buying the thing or without making the thing is the thing. That's that artist went outside, saw that guy doing nothing, made a painting about that person doing nothing as commentary for people doing nothing, and sold it to the guy who buys paintings.

Cristina: Okay. So the person buying the things is not a problem.

Jack: They're not as great as the other guy, but they're supporting he who puts back.

Cristina: Okay. Yes.

Jack: So you're either the one putting back or you're making it easier for somebody else to put back.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But if you're just taking your. A resource problem.

Cristina: Yes. Like the people who steal off of music and.

Jack: Yes, exactly. If you're burning s***, you're stealing.

Cristina: Yeah. You're taking away someone else's.

Jack: Yes. They made that. People who watch like, UFC for free, they're a problem. They're a problem. Those fighters rely on the pay that the company gives them. The pay is based on how much money comes in from people buying all the locations from which they can watch. If you're sneakily taking it illegally for free, then that money never makes it to them. So they're missing some of the money that they're earning because you're stealing it. Yeah, they got you to watch, but they didn't get you to give them the money that you owe them. Now, that's theft. That is stealing somebody's art, somebody's creation. They put their bodies on the line so that you can have entertainment, something you won't do because you're f****** too scared to go and f****** get in a cage with somebody to go train because it's too time consuming and you're too scared, and you don't have the discipline. Meanwhile, you don't want to give him five bucks.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: That's all he's charging. Five dollars. Give me five dollars a month, and I'll give you my body to watch.

Cristina: Yeah. What?

Jack: You can do it.

Cristina: Mm. That's a problem.

Jack: That's a problem.

Cristina: So that's a huge problem. You call them the product.

Jack: Those people are the product.

Cristina: Even though what makes them a product?

Jack: I guess, because they are who everyone else is going to base their things on. Usually the person who's creating is using that person to create. Okay, so in the case of an artist, you're painting the flaws of the world. You're painting your inner thoughts, the things that bother you, the things that trigger you.

Cristina: And they're probably part of that.

Jack: They're probably part of that. Those people who are the ones who are not serving the world in any good way, those are the people you're making the art about. Then you're selling that to the person who's paying for the art.

Cristina: Yeah, but the person buying is not a problem.

Jack: The person buying is not a problem. Look at it like this. Let's use the UFC thing as an example again.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Bunch of people steal.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So what does Dana White, the person who owns ufc, do? He hires a team of tech people to figure out how to invent a system that can allow them to track the people.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Who are stealing it. To ban them now. To ban them. Yeah. Now, these people are the creators, and they're getting paid by Dana, the consumer, to solve the problem of the third party, the problem.

Cristina: Okay, so the product is a problem.

Jack: At the same time, the product is. You're always solving for the product.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. Somebody needs to consume.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And somebody needs to create. If you don't fall into either one of those two places, you're what's being traded.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In the case of YouTube, there are the people who pay for YouTube.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There are the people who make YouTube.

Cristina: And there are people who see for.

Jack: Free, and there are people who watch it for free. So what was the workaround? Somebody got creative and decided, bomb those people with the ads.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now you're solving. So you. The consumer is paying to not get the ads, and the creator is creating the content that you are not getting the ads for. The thing that got sold in the interaction was the person who is watching it for free. You watching the ads is making it possible for the person who is making the content to get paid from the ads and from direct money that the other guy is giving to the creator.

Cristina: Both the people are helping. Both the other types of people. Not the creator, but the.

Jack: No, the person watching for free had to be solved for.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Which is where the ads came in.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because you can get people to give direct money.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But, like, if there are no ads, why would I give direct money?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So now you put ads in place, people will give direct money, and you're solving for the people who don't want to give direct money.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I guess they became the product.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So you're selling them.

Cristina: You're selling them. That sounds so horrible.

Jack: But it's the case. It's always the case.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: In order to solve the UFC problem, you're selling the people. Those people are now the product you are selling. I need you to take these people into account. They're the free one. So I'm paying you to solve that problem. You make money because. F*** those people.

Cristina: But which people are you talking about?

Jack: The people who are watching it for free. In every case, it's the same people.

Cristina: No, no, no. Who's the other person that you're paying?

Jack: The tech people. Oh, who are solving the issue.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Which they do for video games too, don't they? Like people who hack GTA or something like that.

Jack: Yes. Yes. You are the cheater. Now you. Somebody became a paid individual.

Cristina: Dude, you probably get in trouble for that.

Jack: Somebody became a paid individual to solve you.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There's the people who pay. You don't got to worry about them. There's people who made it. You don't got to worry about them. The people who are trying to get things for free. Now, there is a third party involved to Solve for you.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You are the problem. The other two people are doing their part, so that is definitely how it goes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Always some sort of problem out there.

Cristina: Yeah. So when are you gonna start this radio station?

Jack: I don't know. That would be amazing. I would love for that radio station to be created to turn on the radio. And there's nothing but podcasts and you randomly discover new podcasts and you're like, oh, s***, what's the name of this show? I want to go find it on, like, Spotify or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah. I wonder why that's not a thing yet. What is radio doing?

Jack: Radio and television are so slow to catch on.

Cristina: They really are.

Jack: How the f*** is cable surviving still?

Cristina: Exactly. Who has cable still?

Jack: They've tried everything. They're surviving off of their streaming services.

Cristina: The cable.

Jack: Yeah, they still have the traditional cable for like the 10 people who still have it. Yeah, but like, they also offer stream services. Way more people will pay you directly then you having to pay certain people to be on their channel. And whatever comes back afterwards is what you get. Because that's how like a cable company works, right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You get put on their thing. I'm assuming you give them money of some sort. You give them money at the beginning. I want to be on your thing. And then over the cost of what I give you, whatever extra is directed towards me, I get. Or I guess it doesn't have to be that way. Put me on your thing. So you put us on your cable.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then if we make. That's free content. Yeah, I see. So we make the content. We put it on your TV platform. So your 30 channel cable package. Yeah, you put our channel there. And from our channel we get whatever percentage of views is total.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So if we got 3% and 3% of all the money you get minus your cut belongs to us. That makes sense, right?

Cristina: I think so. I don't know. I don't know how cable works.

Jack: Think of Spotify. How music plays.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's a billion trillion freaking songs on Spotify.

Cristina: Do they have advertisement on Spotify?

Jack: Yeah. Okay, but there's a billion trillion tracks on Spotify. And based on the total number of listens, whatever percentage of everything that is, you get that percent of the total money that comes in after Spotify takes its cut.

Cristina: Yeah. That's probably what cable does.

Jack: Yeah. So if Spotify makes a billion $100 million and they take 100 million as their cut, there's only a billion dollars left. But Eminem does 1% of all listens on The Internet on Spotify. Okay, so he gets, what, $10 million out of that?

Cristina: Okay, so it depends on, like, how well you did and everything. Okay, Right.

Jack: So he would. Because it's 1%. 1% equals 10 million. I'm assuming that's right. Boom, he has his cut. Because he was worth 1%.

Cristina: Yeah. You think he's worth 1%?

Jack: H*** no. H*** no. There's way too many.

Cristina: Too many.

Jack: Too much. The print. Like, if the percentage is such a small decimal, it'd be like three points down before you even have a digit.

Cristina: Yeah. There's probably no one at 1%.

Jack: There's nobody 1%.

Cristina: There's no way. There's too many artists.

Jack: That means out of all the artists in the world, you make up 1% of all the listens out of everything.

Cristina: No, that's crazy. No.

Jack: If you took every musician in the world that's on. I guess every musician that exists on Spotify, you broke them up into 99 groups that were evenly distributed. There'd be 7,000 people in that group. 7,000 people in that group. You know.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then there's just you alone as the 1% versus 7,000 times 99.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: H*** no. There's no f****** way.

Cristina: I don't think so. But I.

Jack: He's like 00, 0, 001 and still s******* on everybody else.

Cristina: Yes, but how is cable surviving? So cable.

Jack: I'm thinking the same s***.

Cristina: And radio are dying, though I have.

Jack: No idea how radio does it. I'm assuming the same thing too, but really, I don't know.

Cristina: And soon, what else should be dead next? I think our phones. Phone companies. Let's get rid of them.

Jack: Phone companies are going to die. And the problem with phone companies are it's also outdated. Apps make up for everything. And you could buy WI fi things so that you don't even need to pay for your phone.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Texting is a thing of the past.

Cristina: Our technology is not keeping up.

Jack: No, technology is not keeping up with how. Well, some technology. Here's the problem. The older technology is struggling. These are old people struggling.

Cristina: Things that we depended on.

Jack: Yes. People are struggling to let go.

Cristina: Yeah. Let go, man. Get the next new thing.

Jack: Kind of sort of. Yeah.

Cristina: The nano chip or whatever it's called.

Jack: No, that's exaggerated. But like the apps.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's worth Zoom and Skype and WhatsApp and Gmail, Google chats and all these things. All of them defeat you needing to pay for text messaging.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And if you can have something that carries wi Fi around. Then you've also defeated phone calls. You need needing data. No, because you can call through these apps.

Cristina: Okay, yeah, you can call and you.

Jack: Can text through these apps. You don't need to pay s*** on your phone company. Phone company should just get over it and just sell you Internet packages.

Cristina: Mm. That's it.

Jack: Just sell. Really convenient, beautifully priced, not crazy expensive Internet packages.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's it. Five dollars. You get three gigabytes of f******, like, great. Okay, that makes sense.

Cristina: Five dollars.

Jack: Everybody's doing everything on their phone. Not for a smartphone, for the service.

Cristina: Oh, yes. Yeah.

Jack: For the service that you'd put on a smartphone. And then, like, all you really need is the data. Or just say unlimited data. F*** it. Unlimited data. Do whatever.

Cristina: Yeah, unlimited data for five bucks. That sounds good.

Jack: You could be $10. It could be the price of, like, Netflix or some s***.

Cristina: $12.

Jack: That's the average, right? $12.

Cristina: The price is always hiring.

Jack: Not of Netflix specifically. Of all the services. If you were to put them, summarize together, like if you grab the average of all them, but some of them all. Yeah, it'd be like 12 bucks.

Cristina: Yeah. Mm.

Jack: So this Internet, unlimited Internet. 25. $12.

Cristina: $12, yeah.

Jack: Good. Now it's whose Internet is better? That becomes the argument. Now competition matters.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Our service is clear. You get signal most places. Boom. That's better. Now it matters.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Does your signal drop when you're in subway stations? Who has towers in subway stations? Now it matters. Now your $12 is better spent. How many places you gonna put those? $12. Everybody's gonna flock to whoever's best. Better be sweet with competition.

Cristina: That's great.

Jack: Yeah. We got to put it in train stations. It needs to be in planes. It needs to be here. It needs to be over there. In the middle of a cornfield, in the middle of nowhere. In the deserts, we need your phone.

Cristina: To work everywhere in the middle of cornfield.

Jack: Everywhere. Okay, everywhere. Whoever has the most coverage.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then again, companies could vary. Like, I don't want to put anything in the middle of cornfield. But then there's a company made by people who live in farmland.

Cristina: Yeah, but like, if you don't live in farmland, you don't need that cornfield.

Jack: Yeah, like, if you're never going to visit that s***, you don't need that thing. And maybe you could get add ons. Like, okay, city areas. Anywhere that's local towers. But for the further towers, you got pay a little extra. So anytime you're in a city, doesn't matter where in the world. You're in a city. Fine.

Cristina: Yes. But maybe better than ever or something.

Jack: Yeah. But let's say China, for example. Everything is f****** banned over there. It takes a little more work to put a tower in China.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So then we need you to pay extra to use the tower. That took us more money to put over there. Fair. But if you like going to Korea, like, that s***'s easy. They'll be like, whatever, put a tower over here, we need it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're probably the ones making the tower.

Cristina: Korea.

Jack: So, like, depending on circumstances, like, okay, we have towers in the desert, but took a lot of work. If you want to use those towers, you know, give us more money.

Cristina: Mm, that sounds good.

Jack: And people who live in the desert only pay for the desert towers. But if you want to go to the city, you know, you gotta pay.

Cristina: What?

Jack: I would like figuring out a way to do that.

Cristina: Well, if you don't travel, then it's no problem. You just pay that one price and that's fine.

Jack: Yeah, but that's interesting, actually, when you think about it, Right. Because we were over here talking about art, and then we're talking about, like, cell towers. Right. Technology is failing to adapt or whatever, but, like, that's an artist doing that.

Cristina: Doing what?

Jack: A person who designed the cell tower with practicality because it had to make sense. So the scientist decides, okay, this is what it got to look like. But then there's an architect, a designer.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This has to go into society.

Cristina: He's the artist.

Jack: And both artists is a collaborative effort.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They're just working with different kinds of art. Yeah, my art involves numbers. And I'm gonna make something beautiful, something complicated, something that didn't exist before. I'm gonna bring it into existence the same way, except we just call that math and science. But you sat down, you thought about something didn't exist. You brought it into reality. Put some notes down, and here's what my art looks like. Very abstract, numerical. And you're like, oh, wow. Complicated. Interesting. I like how you figured out this detail and that detail. But if this was a painting, you'd be like, oh, it's interesting how you made this part and that part over there. And it's a different kind of art, but it's so art. Everything is art.

Cristina: Yeah. So the science is art, the science is art.

Jack: And then. Well, think about it. The arts includes everything. Why is a Renaissance person including science?

Cristina: The Renaissance person.

Jack: Yeah. Renaissance people know how to play the instruments, and they can paint, they can draw, and they can sketch. But every single one of them was also an inventor. They were those gears turned the same.

Cristina: Okay, right.

Jack: The contraptions they made, the innovations that moved society forward at the speed of light.

Cristina: They had some science in them. Yeah.

Jack: It's not just art.

Cristina: Or. Or.

Jack: It is art.

Cristina: It is art.

Jack: It's literally just art. But everything is.

Cristina: Art is art.

Jack: Everything is art.

Cristina: Everything is art. Yeah.

Jack: My art is thoughts.

Cristina: Your specific art?

Jack: Yes. I love to work with a thought and make something complicated and show it to somebody and then be like, wow, that's a beautiful arts and philosophy. Thoughts, Words. There you go.

Cristina: Words or philosophy?

Jack: Both.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Philosophy in words.

Cristina: Yes. Is your art.

Jack: Yes. I like to turn thought into words. Alan Watts is my f****** hero. He turns thoughts into words, but he's a poet above all things. Like, he's an artist and he shows you some beautiful. And you're like, wow, this is an amazing mental image.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I put my art into your head, then you see it inside of you.

Cristina: His art is complicated.

Jack: His art is complicated.

Cristina: He is an artist for sure.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He paints you a beautiful picture inside of your head using nothing but words.

Cristina: Yes. And some scientists could do that too.

Jack: Some scientists could do that too. That was all of Einstein's entire goal. It was to convey it in such a way that you can get it. Michio Kaku is a great communicator as well.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He developed the art of communication. Keyword. The art of communication. That's why we say that about a lot of things.

Cristina: Art of communication. Yeah.

Jack: The art of firing a gun.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: Ever. You could attach that word to literally anything. The art of.

Cristina: The art of cooking.

Jack: The art.

Cristina: Cooking. Yeah.

Jack: Because everything, even shooting a gun. Well, look, the way he holds a gun in a particular way, his arm consumes some of the recoil, sending a shutter that keeps stability. It's beautiful how he does that and how he came up with this technique when usually I have a slightly left tilt and my hand consumes less of that. And there's art there. There's something to break apart. There's something to admire. The art of golf.

Cristina: Wait, can sports be seen as art? Yes.

Jack: All of it.

Cristina: All of it. Everything. Okay.

Jack: The Art of Charm, a beautiful podcast that teaches people how to be more socially active. But the word, the phrases, they've come up with. The art of charm. Just talking is an art.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, I gotta listen to that. That's pretty good.

Jack: Well, now it's.

Cristina: Oh, they changed.

Jack: Yeah. Art of charm is still existing, but now. Jordan Harbinger, show is where we go. Because Jordan Harbinger was the life of the art of charm, and he went and started his own show. So by the way, for anybody listening to this, if you are into podcasts about self improvement and just thinking outside the box and general information that helps you in life and success and business and relationships, the Jordan Harbinger show.

Cristina: He'll help.

Jack: Yeah, he is a great guy. His content is amazing. He is very intelligent, very charismatic, Very great lesson. So go check that out.

Cristina: I thought he was the art of the charm. He left it and it's got replaced with someone else. Or someone else was with him that whole time. I don't know.

Jack: Somebody else was with him, but there's another guy there too. Yeah. So I don't know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There were three of them to start with.

Cristina: Whoa. Okay.

Jack: But yeah, you can go follow that. But anyways, point being that communication in itself is an art. How you approach somebody. Flirting is an art.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The. And it's a difficult art. Like, arts are difficult, but some are more difficult than others. And like flirting. People don't get that.

Cristina: No, no, they don't. But communication is so difficult in itself.

Jack: Communication is one of the hardest arts.

Cristina: Yeah. I think you gotta at least be in some good level with that before you get to the flirting stage.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. But it's so many different branches in something. And the art of communication. Right. Because flirting is one of them. But conveying like philosophic ideas or conveying science without notations, that's hard for scientists. They don't know how to communicate. They understand the numbers in their head. But a lot of scientists don't have the art of communication.

Cristina: No. What? No, but man, everything is art.

Jack: Everything is art. And the idea remains the same. Art should make you feel something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And there are many feelings that we take for granted. But understanding is a feeling.

Cristina: So then how can there be something that you don't feel anything for?

Jack: That's interesting. Right? There should be. Because neutral. Is neutrality. A feeling would be the question.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: Do you feel neutral or are you neutral because you don't feel.

Cristina: That's complicated. Because everything would have to make you feel something no matter what.

Jack: Right. Because everything is art in.

Cristina: But like your phone. But you see all the time that it doesn't look like.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I got an example. Right.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So somebody's talking to you about science and you're just not interested. You're not pushing it away. You're not listening to it, but it's not registering Communication is still art and science is still art. But why aren't you connecting to it? That's neutrality. You felt nothing, so you can feel.

Cristina: But would you not be bored?

Jack: No. Because you're not bored. Bored would be being repelled by it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This sucks. You're feeling nothing. You're engaged, listening, and still not giving a f***.

Cristina: That's still something. There has to be something still there. I don't know. Because you're still engaged, so you at least find something entertaining, whether it's.

Jack: No. You could just be there listening and that's it.

Cristina: And feel nothing about it. I don't know.

Jack: I don't think you need to feel something about everything.

Cristina: You don't? I don't know. That's tough. That's tough.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because I feel like I feel something for everything.

Jack: But then you're using subjectivity rather than objectivity. There are people who literally feel nothing.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: I guess that wouldn't be possible.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If everything made you feel something, you wouldn't possibly have people who feel nothing. That would be impossible. Because everything would make you feel something. Even, like, the concept of lack of emotion would be impossible if just one.

Cristina: Person felt a bunch of things.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no. If everything was gonna make you feel something no matter what.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then you should never have a person who feels nothing. That would be impossible. But the fact that there could be people who feel nothing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Means that there are things to feel nothing about.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because even if. Well, I have zero motion. But art is gonna trigger motion no matter what. You have an unstoppable force and an unmoving object. Okay, that makes no sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We know for a fact there are people who feel nothing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So then the question is. We're debating one thing.

Cristina: So there's gotta be art that makes you feel nothing.

Jack: Yeah. If the unmoving object is the person who feels nothing, then art is not the unstoppable force. One of them has to cave.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And one of them is factual. The other one we're debating.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay, so not all art can make you feel anything. Boom. Solid argument.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Interesting. No.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: But yeah. So the goal of art is ultimately to make you feel something.

Cristina: Are we art right now? Is this art?

Jack: This is podcasting as art. Again, we're talking. And I said, ideas and words are my art.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I talk, I communicate, I paint a picture.

Cristina: But we're sending art into people's ears.

Jack: Yeah. Podcasting is an art form. Some suck, some are great.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It really depends. People who listen to us, like absurdism. They like that we put a weird performance of sorts that is really detached and kind of gets crazy from occasion to occasion.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But has logic and reason fueling it. Kind of like Rick and Morty to some degree. Like it's absurd and stupid.

Cristina: Yes. Like our Godzilla poop story.

Jack: Yeah. But it has underlying logic because all you're doing is using critical thinking and taking it to the next extreme with things that are totally irrational. You're just thinking rationally about irrational things.

Cristina: Okay. Yes.

Jack: That's all that's happening. But it is an art form. Not everybody can do it, and they would like to do it. And they hear us do it, and they're like, how interesting that he went there with the thing.

Cristina: Yes, it is interesting.

Jack: That is art.

Cristina: That is art. Okay. If you feel neutral about our art, let us know. Yeah.

Jack: I do believe my favorite style of art is music because it's really profound. And obviously, I think everybody's favorite style of art is music.

Cristina: You think everyone's favorite.

Jack: Everybody. There's nobody who like people who are actively making art or listening to music while doing it.

Cristina: That's true. Unless they don't listen to. I don't know who doesn't listen to music.

Jack: I'm sure there's somebody.

Cristina: Yes, there's somebody. But it's not. There's not many.

Jack: No, there's not many people. The vast majority of people listen to music. The vast majority.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And, like, not everybody's out there looking at paintings. Not everybody's out there looking at graffiti or tattoos. Not everybody's out there. But I would say that visual mediums tend to be like. TV is a huge one.

Cristina: It is a huge one. Movies, for some reason.

Jack: Yeah, Movies, video games.

Cristina: Yeah. But when it comes to music, I.

Jack: Feel like more people are into music than they are into tv.

Cristina: But the things that they like about the music is different, like, from one person to another. What stands out to them?

Jack: Why wouldn't that apply to tv?

Cristina: Yes. I guess. I mean, like. Like, you can hear one song and it would be different.

Jack: Right. And you can watch one show and get different things.

Cristina: Get different things.

Jack: 100%. Let's take breaking Bad, for example. We watch it and we see a complicated story about a man who went from being a teacher to being a drug addict or drug dealer. My bad. The drug dealer. And somebody else sits down and they see complex camera work. Somebody else sits down and they just see, regardless of the acting, the writing behind this is amazing. Somebody else comes down, sits, and it's like, wow. The expressions these characters give. Like, this guy is acting as pretty solid. They're not even paying attention to what the f*** is being said. They're like, wow, the way he conveyed that is amazing. It's just different ways to look at the same thing.

Cristina: Okay. Those are some weird ways. But they have to be paying attention to the story, though.

Jack: I'm sure in every instance, everybody's paying attention to the story. But also, you notice and aren't aware. You notice when an amazing camera effect happens. You're like, wow, that was crazy looking.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: So you're also looking at the things they're looking at.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because people are focusing on different points.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Some people like the adrenaline of Breaking Bad. Some people like the story of Breaking Bad.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Some people are there, like, boring episode, Boring episode, Boring episode. Every season finale. Wow. Crazy. Because the crazy cliffhangers and the s***.

Cristina: That happens happens with Walking Dead to.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: People like the drama. Some people get the. The drama is the boring part.

Jack: Exactly, Exactly. Some people are there for the action. Some people there for the story. Some people there for the camera work. Some people are there for the writing. Some people were there to see amazing scenery as well. The detail they put into that scene. That's crazy looking.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's. Art is for everybody and different for everybody. Simultaneous.

Cristina: It's different for everyone. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: So I think definitely music is my favorite. And. I don't know, depends on the musician too, what I'm looking for in a song, because, like, I understand. I. I'm really good at compartmentalizing things, so I don't need everybody to do everything. Like, I know an Eminem track has toss away beats.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But so does the Lil Wayne track, because one dude's just being a poet and the other one's all being a different kind of poet, I guess. But like wordplay. One is being technical with his writing, the other one's being very vivid with his writing. Both original, completely different ways. Double triple entendres with Eminem and complicated metaphors with Lil Wayne.

Cristina: And then what's Andre doing?

Jack: He's flowing over a song. So you need the beat for Andre because that's mad flow. But also, if you took the beat away from Andre, it would sound like there's a beat because of how he flows.

Cristina: So he doesn't really need a beat.

Jack: He doesn't really need a beat. He is the. The beat. His whole s*** is flow. There's nobody with more flow than Andre.

Cristina: Yeah, but when it comes to other styles of music, you wouldn't be looking for these type of things.

Jack: Well, it depends on the musician. For Jack White, not only does he have really intricate, amazing, well thought out beats that he's usually the one making, but his word plays up there. He has tricks with his vocal. Liz. Asian. Like, not just. I mean, no vocalization, because the singing is amazing too. But he's writing. What he's saying is so clever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Same way with, like, Arctic Monkeys.

Cristina: That's way more clever. Yeah.

Jack: Alex Turner is being a poet the way Lil Wayne is just metaphor after metaphor after metaphor after metaphor. Unique ones, too. That phone by the Arctic Monkeys on the Tranquility Hotel and Casino album.

Cristina: Oh, Hotel. And that album is like, what?

Jack: Yeah, the album is freaking amazing.

Cristina: That's complicated in its own.

Jack: But then you look at somebody like Kendrick and all of the above is in there. Everything, Everything. Everybody's everything. The best of the best of the best of everything is in his work.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, he himself isn't like, the best at wordplay. Eminem is.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And he himself isn't the best of metaphors. Lil Wayne is. He himself doesn't have the best flow. Andre does. But he has all his thoughts at 9 if everybody else has him at 10.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And if Eminem has 10 on wordplay, his metaphors are, like, out of 7. But Kendrick still has his metaphors at 9. And if Lil Wayne has metaphors at 10 and his wordplay at 7, well, Andre still has his wordplay at 9. And so if Andre. Did I say Andre Trice. Kendrick. Well, whatever. Kendrick. In all of these instances, I was saying Kendrick. I don't know if I was saying Kendrick. But anyways, if Andre has his flow at 10 and his wordplay and his metaphor is at 7, well, Kendrick still has his flow.

Cristina: All of it at nine.

Jack: All of it at nine. He's like, collectively better.

Cristina: He's not your favorite.

Jack: No, my favorite B. Eminem wordplay is so genius because Kendrick as an artist is better. He. The amount of producers on one track to make it sync up with him. Like, you couldn't separate Kendrick from the beat because it would fall apart.

Cristina: So you think once he leaves the people he's working with, though, he could.

Jack: Just hire other people.

Cristina: Mmm. Yeah.

Jack: They probably constantly rotating. Yeah, I doubt that the same 12 producers are always the same 12 producers. Like, it's probably just different producers doing different tricks.

Cristina: Crazy amount of tricks. I mean, it's because there's a crazy amount of producers.

Jack: So, yeah, everybody's got a thing they do, and they all throw their little special Sauce into a Kendrick track.

Cristina: Yes. He's amazing.

Jack: Yeah, his old tracks are great. Everything is amazing in his work.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But like, that's really high quality art. And we look at somebody like Alex Gray painting visionary paintings.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Amazing.

Cristina: Complicated, complicated.

Jack: What do people get out of that? People look at that in different ways. Some people feel a spiritual connection to something greater looking at his art, because they see a visual of what they were trying to reason in their heads to begin with. He paints a human body and he paints the energy you feel when you do something like DMT or LSD going through your veins and that sort of cold, hot feeling that you get on the surface of your skin and all those little tiny little details that he's.

Cristina: Able to paint that.

Jack: Yeah, and he paints that vividly. And then you see and you're like, oh, wow. He. He caught it. He caught the thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The thing I couldn't put into words in a million years. He got it different to what Alan Watts does. He's conveying a philosophic idea while Alex Gray painted a sensation you had that is crazy.

Cristina: A sensation you had. Yeah. What?

Jack: You trip and you see Earth as part of the universe and you as part of the Earth and a tree as part of you. And there's a little painting that's all of the above. It's a tree that grows into a person that's part of Earth and is the universe or something like that. Yeah, it's like just stuff he does. He brings out that thing you saw and didn't make sense in your head.

Cristina: Because he saw it. Dude.

Jack: Swapped right up to the gate.

Cristina: There's no way.

Jack: I'm telling you, Alan Watts, Alex Gray, and Albert Einstein all walked up to the gate.

Cristina: You think Albert Einstein?

Jack: No, definitely not. Okay, I know Alan Watts probably did.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He saw some s*** he should not have seen and came back with it. And I don't know how, and so did Alex. I don't want the h*** Alex saw. But what he saw was crazy because he paints him crazy. Some of his paintings are really dark.

Cristina: They are.

Jack: Yeah. He has a lot of really, really dark art.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Not all of it, but some of them. All crazy dark.

Cristina: Like Silent Hill dark.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah. Cuz it's the good and the bad of tripping.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So if you've ever thought you were the devil or saw the devil, or your f****** body's melting or something that's there.

Cristina: My body's melting. That is a horrible, horrifying experience. What? Yeah.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Alex Grey's Crazy like that. Art in general is very amazing. Like that.

Cristina: The guy. What is my calendar? What's his name? Salvador Dali.

Jack: Salvador Dali's amazing.

Cristina: His pictures are melting. I don't know what his paintings. They look like people melting sometimes.

Jack: His paintings are. Because he's surrealist artist. Right. So it's just a bunch of weird things. You're like, well, it's kind of like this, but it's not. And it's like, not really that either. And it's like, it'll be a woman who's building.

Cristina: I don't tell what it is, but it looks disturbing in some way.

Jack: No, not necessarily tell what it is because, I mean, I guess, sort of. But it doesn't necessarily have to be disturbing. Like, there's a woman who's a building.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But she doesn't look like a building. But she does look like a building.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like she's just a woman. She looks just like a woman. But also she looks just like a building. But she doesn't look like a woman who looks like a building or like a building who looks like a woman. It just depends on which perspective you're looking at at any given moment. That it's just a building or it's just a woman.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That skill.

Cristina: That is. That's so crazy. I don't know how he did that.

Jack: I don't know how he does any of his stuff.

Cristina: Was he also doing. What did you say?

Jack: Oh, man, he. If he did drugs, he did something that was very, very different. Because what you see with Alex Gray is, like, acid type of s*** is like, dmt, like mushrooms, that kind of stuff. Psychedelics. If Salvador Dali took drugs to get where he got.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He was doing some f***** drugs.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because it's a weird breakdown of things. It would have been like. It could have been heroin. It could have been heroin. It could have been.

Cristina: There's always, like, ants everywhere.

Jack: They could totally have been heroin. Could have been meth.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

Jack: It could have been any of those f*** drugs.

Cristina: What? That's so. I mean, who knows?

Jack: Could have been alcohol.

Cristina: It could have been alcohol.

Jack: F***. Ton of alcohol. Where s*** becomes unstable and kind of looks sort of like everything else.

Cristina: Yeah. Mmm. That's an interesting one. If it was alcohol.

Jack: Yeah. There's a couple of factors that could have led to his stuff being the way it is.

Cristina: Yeah. Or he's just super normal. I don't know. But his things. I don't know. It's just. It looks so strange to see something and it could be two different things. Yeah, it's like Eminem rapping in his three different things.

Jack: Yeah, well, he's mad skilled, I guess. Yeah. The interesting, interesting. I like that comparison. The Salvador Dali's art is like an Eminem song.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's several things layered on top of each other, and you're gonna see one of them and miss the other until you realize the other is even there.

Cristina: Like there was. I think it was elephants, but they were actually geese. Depending on how you were looking at it. Yeah.

Jack: If you flip the painting upside down.

Cristina: Yeah. What?

Jack: That's genius.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's skill. I don't know how the h***. I have no idea how he worked these things in his head. Salvador Dali. You guys need to go look at some art from Salvador Dali. Google it. Look at some images. Google Alex Gray. Look at some images. Listen to songs by Kendrick Lamar, by Eminem, by Lil Wayne, by Andre 3000. Go look at some architecture. Go look at some science notations. Read general relativity. So you can.

Cristina: You want everyone to become Renaissance men.

Jack: Yeah. Read general relativity. Listen to Alan Watts lectures.

Cristina: Paint, paint.

Jack: Do a little of everything.

Cristina: Yeah. Do everything.

Jack: Yeah. Anyways, I guess that's what art is. And now you guys know. We've taught you guys what art is because you didn't know. You didn't know before. Now we've told you what art is. You thought art was a painting and nothing else. Well, no, you're walking on art. You're breathing art.

Cristina: You gotta now make some art.

Jack: Cuz even nature made art.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because anything you make is art.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The question is, can art be made by accident? Yeah, it could. It could. Definitely. We had that at the beginning.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: It happened by accident. Art does not have to be intentional.

Cristina: Does that mean that we were. By accident?

Jack: Yes, everything. Everything. Anyways, if you guys want to hear more things of this nature. I'm not sure if we break down art, but we do talk about different kinds of art, like music.

Cristina: And we talk to artists.

Jack: We talk to artists. We literally talk to artists. Yes. We got Renee Schuller on the show. Musicians.

Cristina: Musicians. Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

Jack: Directors, whatever. Just look at the show. Go through our catalog of See things, and you can find all those things on the official website, greatthoughts.info or on Apple podcasts, Spotify, or anywhere you get your podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok @JustConvopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Cristina: And let someone who might like this show know about it?

Jack: Yeah, word of mouth. Extremely overpowered. People get blown away when you talk to them about the show, and you're like, hey, there's a show and you might like the show, so go listen to the show.

Cristina: And then seven days later, you die from cancer. Yeah, I don't have.

Jack: I don't know how long. I mean, you know, like 10 years later. It doesn't matter. Something like that. You'd live long enough to regret listening, at least. And also, you can find me on the stereo app having conversations with people, random strangers. All the time.

Cristina: All the time.

Jack: All the time. I'm just talking to strangers. Jumping on. You should check it out. Just to listen to other people talk. There's podcasts that happen exclusively on that app.

Cristina: When they follow you, though, do old conversations show up on that app?

Jack: Yes, they're all saved.

Cristina: Oh, that's so awesome. Okay, go listen to that.

Jack: Yes, you can hear all the old conversations. It's a whole other thing of content.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Yes, you can go listen to all the old conversations I've had of which are very trolly. And you can. You'll get notified. Make sure to turn those notifications on or whatever YouTubers say.

Cristina: Whatever the.

Jack: And you'll know when I jump on, I'm talking to somebody. So. Yeah.

Cristina: Yes. Go follow him. And this has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: So the lesson is that Dougie ing is a dance.

Cristina: It's just a dance.

Jack: But the Dougie. Because I heard somebody say, she showed me the Dougie. Actually, I think it was Eminem. She showed me the Dougie. Or some rapper. She showed me the Dougie.

Cristina: Maybe he really meant the dance.

Jack: I think the Dougie met her cooch. Her cooter.

Cristina: Her Cooter. Why would she name it that?

Jack: I don't think she named her Cooter. The Dougie. I think the Dougie is slang for cooter. I don't know how cooterlicious.

Cristina: No.

Jack: What do you mean, no?

Cristina: I don't think so. None of that makes sense.

Jack: The Dougie. She showed me the Dougie.

Cristina: She did not show him the Dougie.

Jack: Google it. She showed me the Dougie.

Cristina: No. Okay, I will, though.

Jack: Google. She showed me the Dougie. Showed you said she should.

Cristina: She should. She should.

Jack: She showed me the.

Cristina: Is that how you spelled it?

Jack: Yeah. Eminem Book of rhymes.

Cristina: Oh, okay. She showed me the doggy. Can I get a witness? I don't know. She danced in front of him. That's all I can think of. I don't think she showed him her v*****.

Jack: I talked to your mother. She told me she loved me. All she want to do is just hold me and hug me. Wants nobody but me. She showed me the Dougie. Can I get a witness, like notary public? Preach. She said, kick some fly s***. Fly s***. I said, I got wings on my a**. Told her my d***'s a cockpit.

Cristina: So she showed him a dance. That's all I got from that.

Jack: Nah, I think. I think they f*****. I think he f*****.

Cristina: Yeah, after.

Jack: No, I think he f***** your mom is what he's saying.

Cristina: Yeah, after she danced for him, he was like, okay. Like, she did a sexy dance.

Jack: All she want to do is hold me and hug me once. Nobody but me. She showed me the Dougie. I can get a wit. Can I get a witness, like notary public? Sure. I think. I think Dougie means cooter. She showed me the Dougie. Show me her v*****. Her v*****. And then we done.

Cristina: Nah, she danced for him and then they.

Jack: You guys heard it here. The hot take. Dougie means cooter, and Cooter means v*****.

Cristina: That's not a hot take.

Jack: That's a hot take.

Cristina: That's not a hot take.

Jack: What does hot take mean?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Boom. That's hot take.

Cristina: It's not hot.

Jack: That's steaming. That's on fire. On fire. It's a hot.

Cristina: It's a dance. She danced for him and he was so impressed. They had sex?

Jack: No, she showed him her cooter and he showed her his cockpit. And they did the Do. They do. Dude.

Cristina: Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Colazzo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts info, art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

JCP 5.06 Tales of Duality & Global Consciousness

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Guest Jesus Pagan returns to discuss everything from creativity, spirituality, theology, chaos theory and more.

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Topics Discussed:

  • Chaos Theory
  • Writing
  • Netflix Productions
  • Anime
  • Philosophy
  • Spiritualism
  • Creationism
  • Reality

Jesus Pagan Links: Instagram https://instagram.com/tales_of_duality

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

Twitter - https://twitter.com/JustConvoPod

Facebook - https://facebook.com/justconvopod

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JCP 5.03 René Romero Schuler & Creative Inspiration

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Guest René Romero Schuler, Artist and Sculptor, joins Jack to discuss the inspiration behind her art, transforming experiences that pushed the evolution of her work, how art is perceived and much more!

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Topics Discussed

  • Child Artist
  • How to Know You’re an Artist
  • Abstract Figurative Art
  • Inspiration
  • Life Changing Experiences
  • Soul Portraits
  • Painting Techniques
  • Has Your Art Made You Cry?
  • Perception of Art
  • Artistic “Happy Accidents”
  • Personality Opposite to Art
  • Belief in God
  • Religion & Faith
  • Objective Good
  • The Trolley Experiment
  • Message to Future Artists

René Romero Schuler Links:

Website - https://www.reneschuler.com/

Instagram Personal - https://www.instagram.com/reneromeroschuler/

Instagram Shop - https://www.instagram.com/shopladyinthedress

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

Twitter - https://twitter.com/JustConvoPod

Facebook - https://facebook.com/justconvopod

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JCP 3.10 The MIZ & Gay Sex

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Guest Anthony, host of ‘MIZ The Podcast’, joins Jack to discuss of range of topics, from Gay Culture to solutions for the abortion problem and the separation of an artist from their work!

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Topics Discussed

  • Lame Babies - 13:51
  • Weddings Suck
  • Finding Love - 26:06
  • Sex: Women vs Men - 33:00
  • Poppers
  • Tops and Bottoms
  • Ethnic Penises
  • Gay Spectrum - 42:37
  • Abortion - 46:23
  • Personal Sweat Shop - 52:59
  • The Gay Accent - 1:00:21
  • Spectrum of Sexuality
  • The Taste of Sperm - 1:16:08
  • Dating Apps
  • Fantasies - 1:24:01
  • Rap - 1:41:00
  • The Scent of a Penis - 1:52:52

The MIZ Podcast Links:

Apple Podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/miz/id1458540966

Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/1Ks6URvF75z8RfX4ArJoRj

Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/mizthepodcast/


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JCP 3.01 Meat Canyon & Therapeutic Art

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Guest Hunter Hancock of Meat Canyon animations joins the thinkers to discuss motivation to create and how many people struggle to break from their cycle of excuse making in order to pursue their dreams in the first place. We all want the success but refuse to do the grind and hard work that’ll lead us to it in the first place. First the philosophers discuss the Marie Kondo 30 Books craze and how the social structure is of outrage culture at the moment. Then, Jack has a sit down with cartoonist Hunter Hancock of the animation Youtube and Instagram channels ‘MeatCanyon’ to discuss art, creation, motivation and goals. The creator discusses what interests him about art in the first place. His views on mainstream art and the over-saturation of money fueled safe art instead of risky creativity.

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Topics Discussed

  • Practicing Skills to Improve Them
  • Overtly Polished Unoriginal Work
  • Difficulties of Writing
  • Understanding Audience
  • Learning Comedy Structure
  • Original Artistic Work vs Familiar
  • The Therapeutic Nature of Art
  • Not Taking Our Creativity Too Seriously
  • Comic Books vs TV Cartoons
  • Creators Playing it Safe
  • Art Run by Money
  • Societies Shrinking Attention Span
  • Binging Killed The Excitement of Waiting
  • Ozark on Netflix
  • Politics and Over-Sensitivity
  • Mainstream Anger & Rage
  • Every Road Leads to Money
  • The “No Time” Excuse
  • The Devil’s Hockey Team
  • Creating Is Weird
  • Rich People Problems
  • Abusing Expectation when Creating
  • Alex Grey
  • The Instagram Easy Route
  • Weird Instagram Accounts
  • Video Game Addiction
  • Dungeons & Dragons
  • How to be Successful
  • Religion, The Popularity Contest
  • Life Cycles
  • Disney Live Action Abortions
  • Starwars Sucks

JCP 2.11.01 Thanksgiving & The Illuminati Attack

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On this episode the philosophers are joined by Dave “The Klone,” founder of the Hollow9ine Podcast Network. The trio are on site at Government Con showing off their Jaws themed cosplay. There they network and find themselves sucked into the world of directors. Using their newly acquired directing skills they attempt to create something with strong commentary on Jehovah’s beef with snakes. Shortly thereafter the debate of whether Jehovah is Zeus’ brother or not breaks out. Just as the debate is getting too woke the Illuminati attacks the podcasting studio cutting the conversation with Dave short.

All that an more on this episode of The Just Conversation Podcast

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