Rambling 219: Planning the Future
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What was the ultimate goal of the Sea People? Why was it so important? And why the sudden need to live hidden? The duo try to unravel the ultimate motivation behind the decisions and goals of the Sea People.
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Topics Discussed:
- The Sea People
- Egyptian Transportation Technology
- Mayan Energy Storage Technology
- Complex Language
- Space Exploration
- Population Technology
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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.
Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.
Jack: And this is a show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. That intro, I do it so silky smooth.
Cristina: So good. Yeah, except for that part. Yeah.
Jack: But no, listen. It is with great pleasure that I say that we somehow have missed the entire point and still haven't solved our problem of getting Jesus that's in cryostasis out of that block. We've discovered nothing useful for that.
Cristina: I don't know if that's that important.
Jack: Well, can you imagine what he can tell us?
Cristina: What if he is a vampire and he just tries to attack us?
Jack: I don't think that's how that works.
Cristina: Why not?
Jack: I'm sure that's just movie stuff.
Cristina: Mmm. I don't know. I'm still scared.
Jack: Still scared?
Cristina: Yeah. She's a vampire and he wants to drink her blood. That would suck.
Jack: I don't think he just casually wants to drink random people's blood. You're assuming that Jesus is a zombie, not a vampire.
Cristina: Well, he wants. I don't know.
Jack: Because vampires aren't under control.
Cristina: They are, but they. He's. Well, from his stories, he pretty much turned everyone around him into zombies. And I don't want to be a zombie for Jesus.
Jack: Vampires.
Cristina: No. He was a bad part, but everyone following him wasn't.
Jack: The apostles were definitely like he was.
Cristina: You think he let us be like them?
Jack: He. They had weird abilities. They weren't like normal people.
Cristina: Okay. Yeah, but they were. Yeah, but they were working with him. We're not working with him or for.
Jack: Him or anything that they were definitely, you know, they were vampires. The other people were probably zombies because there's mindlessness to the behavior.
Cristina: Yes. And I don't want that to happen to me.
Jack: Weird notion that a vampire would tame a bunch of zombies. And it's never displayed that way. But it seems like such a vampire thing to do. They're already mindless zombies.
Cristina: Who is?
Jack: The zombies?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So they can use zombies for a lot of different things. And vampires never displayed that way with an army of. I mean, vampires never display with an army of zombies.
Cristina: Yeah. I think he is, though.
Jack: Yeah, he's probably definitely a vampire, not a zombie.
Cristina: No, but I mean, like, he turns people into zombies.
Jack: I think that was back then. I don't think it was everybody either, because he could have just done that to the people to the Persian. Which by the way.
Cristina: Way.
Jack: Was it the Persians? No, he was dealing with the Jews. Never considered this. But what interaction was there between. And it seems like nothing as far as I can tell. This probably a pathway I should be looking into. But I wonder what connections there are between the sea people and the Hebrews of the time. Because the Bible has a lot of war with Persia.
Cristina: Does it?
Jack: That's the main big bad guy other than Satan.
Cristina: Yeah, that should probably be the main big bad guy.
Jack: Yeah. That's the boss of the whole book essentially.
Cristina: Right. Besides God himself.
Jack: Well, it's we I guess. I mean God is painting himself as a good guy there. I mean yeah, there's a lot of follow law or punishment is way harsh and that's a bad guy over there. But there is war with the Persians. That's ultimately like the biggest enemy.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: Other than the moral of the story, your worst enemy is yourself. If you're Jew. I guess. I mean isn't that what happened? I mean. But the Jews don't believe that. That being said, of course your story isn't gonna say that. You up halfway.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Right. Like you're not going to write in your Bible. And so we f***** up and killed Jesus.
Cristina: I guess.
Jack: My bad. But it cleansed our sins and here we are doing it all over again.
Cristina: So dumb. So. Okay. I mean it could only be them who killed. Like it doesn't make sense. It wouldn't have been anyone else if there was no one else religiously. Like that doesn't make sense to blame them on his death if that was the people around. You know, like if it was just white people and a white person died, you wouldn't say those white people killed him. It was just people.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Killed another person.
Jack: See, this same thing happened on that. It was like a mall or just a place that there was a bunch of Asian people at.
Jack: And a guy went on a shooting spree there and he killed some people. And they called it a hate crime.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And that went everywhere very quickly. A hate crime. And it turns out that the guy they were talking about was the same type of Asian as those people. The only people in that area were those people. Just have. They happened to be the people around him specifically.
Cristina: So it wasn't really a hate crime. He was just.
Jack: It was. He hated something. But it wasn't like a race hate crime.
Cristina: Yeah. It was random to him.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: It's just. This is the local area. Those are local people. Like like not really looking out to get anyone specific.
Jack: Yeah. You just. Like, I. This is. This is where I live, I think.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: I think it was literally personal, actually.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: But I don't think it was race motivated. I just think my co workers or whatever, you know.
Cristina: Yeah. And they just happen to be his race.
Jack: They happen to be his race. Which was Asian.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: I don't remember specific. Like rain or something and. Yeah. Sweet.
Cristina: So it's not really.
Jack: Yeah, it's not a hate race. Crime.
Cristina: Race. Race.
Jack: Race hate. Yeah, that sounds right. Race hate.
Cristina: I don't know. Yeah. Because he just hated the people. Not the skin of those people. Just the people themselves.
Jack: The individual. He hated those individuals.
Cristina: Yes. Okay.
Jack: So, yeah, that's kind of how it goes. I wonder how. But, like, what. What the. The play here is between Israel, Jerusalem, and. And the sea people, the Persians. I wonder what that. What's the deal with that? Like, if there is any. And how far down that rabbit hole goes relative to all this? Like, is it connected to this freaking mountain? Because everything is probably Israel in Jerusalem.
Cristina: No, but that mountain has nothing to do with them. Where's that mountain to them?
Jack: That mountain is in Greece.
Cristina: Exactly. That's nowhere near them.
Jack: Well, the Persians are also the people who tortured and were the main enemy of the Greek.
Cristina: They were?
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Oh, those other places.
Jack: What other places?
Cristina: You said Israel and Jerusalem.
Jack: Yeah. I don't know.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But I know they were the direct enemy of Greece, but they were probably.
Cristina: An enemy to a lot of people.
Jack: And they were definitely on the side of a lot of people. This is a weird thing. We don't think about the sea people. They. They were just people. They happen to be way technologically advanced. Okay, whatever. But they were just people, ultimately.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And so they had alliances, which were the people they helped. They were very generous with the alliances, but it seems like they bullied and pushed around a bunch of other people kind of easily.
Cristina: But why?
Jack: But why? I guess it's just race preference favoritism.
Cristina: I don't know. It feels like when countries attack other countries, it's because they want something specifically from that country.
Jack: So what could the sea people, the Egyptians, the Mayans, what could those kinds of people have in common that they would want from a place like Greece?
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: Because they're alliance. Or would they also have to be attacking the sea people?
Cristina: Who was attacking the sea people?
Jack: I mean, not attacking sea people. The Greeks.
Cristina: The Egyptians are attacking the Greeks.
Jack: The sea people.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Are attacking the Greek. I wonder if the Egyptians and the Mayans also have to be attacking the Greek. In order for them to be.
Cristina: Probably not because of how far they are. You can't see the Mayans attacking anyone in the middle of nowhere into the rest of the world. Where are they?
Jack: Mexico.
Cristina: Yeah. Like who was around them during that time when they were around?
Jack: Nobody. They were the most over exaggeratedly dominant thing in that area. There was nothing. Even a little.
Cristina: Exactly.
Jack: Till the Spaniards showed up and like wiped them out with smallpox.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Quickly. It wasn't war or anything. It was just that.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That's crazy.
Cristina: Right?
Jack: So the one thing that stayed on my mind after we went through this giant rabbit hole of Jesus, I guess Jesus. It's weird that we started there and circled right back. We lost him somewhere in the middle.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Like this began about.
Cristina: We quickly abandoned them.
Jack: I should begin about Santa Claus.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But then like it was a little about Jesus. And then we spun out and looked at a bunch of other stuff all connected to Jesus. Little did we know we lost them. Little did we know though it was.
Cristina: Always about Jesus or it's really about Mary.
Jack: Actually, it's not about Jesus at all. There's something weird about Mary.
Cristina: So there's something about Mary.
Jack: There's something about Mary and something about Jesus we don't quite understand. And there is still something about what's the real reason for the leaving, the hiding, the secrecy. Like we're assuming a lot in those areas. We don't know what the boogeyman was or if the whole point was using the technology. We can with quite heist or ntps together that it was probably some form of technology that the Garden of Eden was.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But what was the real reason that they hid? Was it because they wanted to protect that technology and use it? Send some out, store some, secretly manage it while hiding in secrecy? But then questions like why didn't you go to space and hide there?
Cristina: Yeah. Why stay on Earth?
Jack: Why stay on Earth?
Cristina: I don't know. That's just a weird situation. Why stay on Earth? I mean, I don't know. It's hard to leave Earth. I don't know because you can go somewhere else. But it's just. It's too perfect of a planet. I mean, for humans. I mean, we're here for a reason.
Jack: A sufficiently advanced civilization doesn't matter. You terraform your planet.
Cristina: Maybe we suck at it. Maybe they suck at it.
Jack: Do you think they'll suck at terraforming? With how much time they've had? I doubt it. If they have the ability to just create life in general.
Cristina: It makes sense that they should Be able to do it to other places. But then why come back here then?
Jack: Even when I come back here, they stay here. Why are they here? Yeah, we know they stored all of their data in three separate locations, bare minimum. We know the other locations, but we always speak of the same location.
Cristina: They don't know really know that they're still here, do we?
Jack: The sea people?
Cristina: Yeah. Like maybe they do have stored data here, but they dipped. Yeah, like we don't really know.
Jack: We don't really know.
Cristina: It could be gone. Living on other planets.
Jack: Yeah. Within the lifespan of Jesus Christ they moved an entire civilization from one side.
Cristina: Of the planet to the other. Yeah.
Jack: One side of planet to the other.
Cristina: They could have been left.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: It could just be storing areas, just backups and stuff. They really needed it.
Jack: So the possibility or. Look man, it could be. I don't even know how to explain it. It could be that everything is still functional. Works in a way that we just don't understand. Like why do they need to. Why either? Or why do they need to be here and why do they need to stay? Who says they don't come and go effortlessly? Since the time we're talking about to now, there's been giant leaps and bounds in our technology. But they would be growing exponentially. Always faster than before.
Cristina: So you think they could be coming and going?
Jack: I think they're so advanced that they just. The aliens we see are the sea people. It's nothing from outer space. It's earthlings. But. And we've. It's interesting that we've come to this conclusion in the past before about people from the future visiting back. Yeah, we think those are aliens. As well as having few sites of the future. Tears. What do you thin place slices that you see.
Cristina: You see the past or the present? Like ghosts. Like that's what ghosts are.
Jack: As well as echoes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like space time vibrations that replicate existing moments and it's just a faded image. But if you were to see a plane before planes were invented. And you're just seeing into the future. But you don't know that and you can never prove it because it comes and goes.
Cristina: Alien. Or some masking alien creature.
Jack: Yes, like a dragon. Exactly. So like. Yeah. It could just be them the whole time.
Cristina: Yeah, it could be.
Jack: Yeah, yeah. Because think about it. There is. There are some things that we still have to question. Right?
Cristina: Like what.
Jack: Why a transportation device if you're already creating a launching system and both in the same place. So you're gonna send someone across the universe and start Populating the world out there or exploring or whatever you need it for. And you're starting at this end too, just for that purpose. Then you're never using this thing again. As opposed to. They pop up through there frequently. They come and go.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: There's more of these. This is just the only one we know. This is a primitive, ancient relic version of it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Prototype.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And they abandoned it. Cuz f*** this project. It's a Minecraft map. You make a thing, you keep moving.
Cristina: On, go somewhere else and make a better one.
Jack: Yeah. Make a better one. Start a whole new game. F*** it. Waste no memory.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Start a whole new game. You can terraform a plan. Yeah. Do whatever the h*** you want in the plan. You can fix it if you needed to. If a tragedy happened, you could just solve it.
Cristina: Yeah. By that. Like if they're that events. Yeah.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Shouldn't be a problem.
Jack: So they could be coming and going through transportation through just space travel. Again, the same location. We're talking about these pyramids. And these pyramids have blueprints for transportation devices or teleportation devices of some manner. And blueprints for rocket ships design. Rocket ship design. And like tech to power it. And pyramids that could be used as launch pads. Like. Whoa. Fantastic. All of this is telling us back then they were designing different kinds of easy maneuverability devices.
Cristina: Yeah. So who knows how advanced they are now and what they're using now.
Jack: They could be in something too futuristic. I mean, they would be.
Cristina: Mm. They're already using teleporters on the mountain and you can't even see it. Like it's there. The clearing is there. It's just a clearing. They don't see anything there. There's not something physically there.
Jack: That's so freaking alien, right?
Cristina: Yeah. It just looks like they pop out of nowhere, but it's not.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Or they think they're flying there with a horse, but of course they're not.
Jack: That's so crazy, right? This works. This explains a lot. So scientifically, maybe they weren't running from anything. They were scientifically advanced enough to not need to run away. But the argument would be they've become so technologically advanced that they resemble science. They resemble magic to us. In most instances, yes. And then the shreds that look like anything familiar, we can only theorize about what the f*** it is because they.
Cristina: Are too advanced and we turn them into stories.
Jack: Yes. Because an ant knows I exist for sure. Could it grasp 1% of the world that I live in?
Cristina: No. Well, I Can't even grasp you completely.
Jack: Exactly. It. It's not fully aware I exist as an individual. It just knows I'm physically present. Even if it could think, it would have a hard time wrapping its head around. Like, if it could think profoundly.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It would have a hard time wrapping its head around the fact that I am a thing that's alive.
Cristina: Mm. That's ridiculous to it. Yeah.
Jack: Why wouldn't that be the case with something so much more astoundingly advanced? Why would we even be able to tell that they are there? If we tried to talk to an ant, would it know?
Cristina: No.
Jack: What if the task here of the Sea People is let's try to communicate with them and we're just too stupid to grab it? We don't even know there's something trying to communicate.
Cristina: I guess they're probably trying to communicate all the time.
Jack: Yeah. Or to permanently.
Cristina: They were able to once upon a time.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: That they got to it. Right.
Jack: So you think they got to. Well, no, they were helping people.
Cristina: Well, yeah, they weren't that. Well, what they were to them then is ridiculous compared to now.
Jack: Yes. And now it's that much farther.
Cristina: Yes, yes. It's so much more farther now from us to them. To them to the other people back then.
Jack: Yeah, The Sea people to the Egyptians, the Mayans, all these hyper advanced civilizations and then those to us. Yeah, no, they're just.
Cristina: We think we're more advanced than those people, but they were closer at least to the waterfield than we are.
Jack: Yeah, the Sea People.
Cristina: The Sea People.
Jack: Closer to the Sea people than where now. It's weird that they were called to Sea people. Right. Because they weren't in the water at first. They were just in the Persian Gulf oasis.
Cristina: That wasn't the water.
Jack: No. That happened later with the flood. They were. There's water there. There's bodies of water there, but they weren't like underneath it. That happened when the water came up and swallowed it all.
Cristina: Oh, now they're the Sea People and. Or the Atlantic people.
Jack: Well, they're the Sea People at both cases. I just don't know because the Sea people is a name that came from the Egyptians. Egyptians named in their writings and stuff. The. Also their freaking language is so complicated. The Egyptian language was and is like the written language or their hieroglyphic language was so complicated. It conveyed emotion, imagery, perspective, color, sound. Just like. It was so descriptive. You get all of this through the series of images. You have to understand it. And people were just raised on it, so it was easy for them to get it, But. Whoa.
Cristina: What? That doesn't make sense.
Jack: Yeah. It's just a really absurdly advanced language. It's crazy because they also invented paper.
Cristina: Okay. Really?
Jack: Yeah, the paper. They invented glass work. Weird things that stood out about what they came up with. They had really complicated astronomy.
Cristina: Of course they did.
Jack: Yeah. Really? Really. They had real advanced record keeping. They had an absurdly advanced calendar. They had obelisk sundials.
Cristina: What is that?
Jack: It's just a giant, like, clock. Essentially extremely advanced and successful grow and eat crop distribution methods. That's when you grow it in the same neighborhood, essentially, that you're about to feed it.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So it goes straight through. And there's a clean line of production. So nothing is ever wasted and nothing is ever in abundance.
Cristina: That's cool.
Jack: It's just random things that they've figured out and, like, done well. Right. And most of this happened after a suspiciously common day that all of them seem to follow. They came up with the concept of furniture.
Cristina: Really?
Jack: Yeah. And surgery.
Cristina: Surgery?
Jack: Yep. I can't imagine what surgery was like that.
Cristina: Yeah. I guess they were just killing people.
Jack: Well, no, not necessarily. If they were this level of advanced, like, we don't really know.
Cristina: So hard to imagine people weren't dying.
Jack: Like, what if they had sweet tech to do it? What if they beat us at it?
Cristina: Because I know they were doing surgery on their dead people, but I didn't know they were doing surgery on their living people.
Jack: We do surgery on our dead people.
Cristina: Yeah. But I guess that means they might not have been doing surgery on living people.
Jack: Why? We do surgery on living people too, Man.
Cristina: The rate of survival, though, couldn't have been that high.
Jack: Why? What's the difference if we have. If we're to assume they're at least as technologically advanced as we are, or were at least as technologically advanced as we are, what would be the difference?
Cristina: So it's hard to imagine. I don't know. Because it's so far behind. It's like the birth rates how they used to be before people realized you got to be clean when you give birth to a baby.
Jack: We're talking about a civilization that isn't the same people that are currently there. We're talking about people who dipped.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Like, they straight out left and just have a bunch of ruins and crap left behind.
Cristina: Yeah. What kind of surgery were they doing, though?
Jack: I'm assuming surgery for whatever normal things, you know, normal ailments and stuff that came through. They had toothpaste. That was great. And also they had really complicated irrigation systems because they had this kind of straight grow it, eat it situation going on.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: They had really complicated watering systems, so the plants would all get watered in the neighborhoods, which means they had an abundance of water, as well as the fact that they had really complicated piping systems for both suits.
Cristina: Well, this was all happening. Were other places getting this stuff?
Jack: No.
Cristina: Are they the only ones?
Jack: Well, it's weirdly enough, a lot of these same places that mention the sea people.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: Kind of just them.
Cristina: We're doing this kind of stuff.
Jack: Yeah, we're doing this kind of stuff. All the ones with mention to them are similar concepts like pyramids and crap like that. Strange those seem specifically when it comes to sewers, sewage systems, water distribution system, irrigation systems, stuff like that. That seems to be the most related to the sea people, as well as really advanced crop situations, all of which are very different, but all seem to be the most advanced and the least, I guess, the most stable among the countries that are tightly connected to the sea people, either be it through the equator or dimension.
Cristina: That's interesting, huh?
Jack: Yeah. Random facts.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Weird, right? Just coink a dink. But the weirdest thing that they did create is the pyramids, as far as we know, because we can't find structures that are for the sea people that are pyramids, other than in the Atlantis side of things. Because in the Persian side, we don't find pyramids. All the other structures are the same. No pyramids. But in the Vimini Islands and not be many islands a little underneath the water, underneath the sea, the Bermuda heading towards there, there are pyramids as well as a bunch of other sketchy stuff like the lion and whatnot.
Cristina: There's pyramids as well.
Jack: It's just small structures. Looks like essentially replicas of the ones.
Cristina: In Egypt, but they can't be that big.
Jack: Not small.
Cristina: Oh. Or is it like something that looks like it's probably buried as well?
Jack: Oh, crap. I never thought about that. I was just watching images of the.
Cristina: Like, it could just be the tip of a pyramid.
Jack: It could just be the tip of a pyramid. Yeah. Interesting. Something to look into. Maybe there is much more going on.
Cristina: Ooh, that's interesting. Weird. Very weird. If there's that there now, that's just.
Jack: Egyptians, they had all that going on. The Mayans essentially had a lot of the same stuff, but there's some shifts from flight technologies and from transportation technologies that are on the side of the Egyptians over here. One of the most interesting things that the Mayans came up with was Energy storage technology, which again follows the Matrix. The matrix situation or the information storage situation.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: They had really advanced factories. Like these were the introverts essentially. They were self sustained.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So really advanced factories, Real complex calendars as well for timekeeping. There was something really important about all the countries along the equator that have these structures. They are all also had really accurate really advanced calendars. All of them. There's no exception.
Cristina: Does it make sense that these people weren't on that line?
Jack: It doesn't. Right. What's up with the Mayans? And they specifically mentioned the sea people. What's up with that? Yeah, there's something different about them that we need to look into.
Cristina: Mm. Maybe that's not their original spot. Maybe they also moved.
Jack: You think that was relocation?
Cristina: Yeah. Wouldn't that make it make sense? No. Still probably on this continent, but somewhere that matches the line.
Jack: It doesn't touch the Americas whatsoever.
Cristina: Not even the tip anywhere. How, how's that possible?
Jack: It goes through. Wait, does it go through Argentina? The very tip at the bottom, maybe.
Cristina: Okay. Yeah. It has to be touching. Like it's America's. Like, you know. Really?
Jack: No, it might just go next to it. All things considered, like America might just be on the hole on the side next to the line.
Cristina: That's a really strange line.
Jack: But no, it could be. If I'm not mistaken, it would need to touch like Argentina and India simultaneously or something like that. Which means it is touching the Americas. South America, the lower part, doing something.
Cristina: It has to. And I bet they were there and.
Jack: Traveled all the way to Mexico.
Cristina: I guess to be more hidden. Just like the sea people.
Jack: Interesting. And they were for a long time. Okay. In a lot of these cases it was important that they would hide within a time frame, which I don't know.
Cristina: If it's hiding, but they just want.
Jack: To be more private.
Cristina: More private, exactly. Because like the Egyptians seemed at least the ones around the pyramid. It was just that the pyramids and that area.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: You know, like they were already kind of separate. So maybe they all wanted to be.
Jack: The problem is you create these really impenetrable borders that lead through the jungle into no man's land. Where your structures blend into nature and it's hard to even spot them until you get to the heart of the city and it starts to look like stuff is around you that's really trying really hard to be invisible. Yeah, I guess that's trying really hard.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That's not normal.
Cristina: No.
Jack: And then going into the underground as an entire population and just off the face of the Earth.
Cristina: They're in space. Probably.
Jack: You think that was only temporary?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Everything seems to be like, so who's watching the data? Or maybe it's not even a problem. This is the other problem. Maybe there's not even an issue. Maybe it really is just like these are storage systems. If we tried to get in there, they could just land on the planet super quickly and stop us and they.
Cristina: Have noticed or something or whatever. Their technology version of something that guards those things.
Jack: Fair enough. And they would have copies of it everywhere.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So what was the point of storage on Earth? Both of them are claiming storage.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: One under the Sphinx and the other one under the Mayan temples.
Cristina: Mmm. Just in case they want to come back. I don't know. Or if they're not coming back. It's not really storage. I mean if they are coming back, enforce whenever they want. It's not really search.
Jack: So the question is, was it left there for us? Think about it. Civilizations, they will know. They. Why would they need it if they can already put it anywhere that they need it?
Cristina: But they need a. Like if they're going to come visit, where are they going to hang out?
Jack: Why would they hang out at the Sphinx data center? They just love data.
Cristina: Oh, it's their home, the data.
Jack: No, I think Atlantis would be.
Cristina: Oh, I think they all just go to Atlantis.
Jack: You think? Fair enough. No, but like, I don't know. Everything that we can see from the Mayans is destroyed and rotted away. So it would have to. They would have to be going to the underground facilities. Like oh yeah, Maya is still real to them. It's just somewhere we can't access.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Egypt went to space for the same thing. Just cause. Why not a place to chill people we're familiar with, we can explore, spread our seeds across the oceans of the world.
Cristina: That's their plan.
Jack: Maybe.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: They still have this Garden of Eden, population, technology.
Cristina: That's somehow important.
Jack: That's somehow important. There's so many holes here. So fair enough. They're not even running away. Wouldn't make sense. They are the dominant thing out here.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: If this God like thing wanted to get to them, well too bad. They can easily protect the garden. That's why they have this entire thing set up.
Cristina: Yeah, so.
Jack: So that's not even a problem. They just come and go effortlessly. They got locations we can't find so that we don't see their stuff. But this is their home. They like to come back. Yeah, we see them in the sky often. We just don't know it's them.
Cristina: There's nothing we can do about it.
Jack: Yeah. And they're like so advanced, they not even really trying to hide. They don't care.
Cristina: Yeah. Even if we try to attack, it wouldn't do anything. Yeah.
Jack: And half the time we can't even comprehend what we're looking at.
Cristina: Yeah. We're too shocked to do anything. Okay.
Jack: It's. It looks like nothing. Was that it? Was that a cloud that moved? In a weird way, it's probably my head.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: No, it was. You saw the thing and it was happening, but it wasn't a cloud. But they don't care. Like you're not gonna grasp it. You're like, yeah, it was probably just my head. Sigh. TikTok about that.
Cristina: What?
Jack: That no matter what the guy did, he was being controlled. He's like a character in a game or something. And this guy was just randomly altering the code and no matter what, he would like rationalize it away.
Cristina: Okay, I see. Yes.
Jack: Yeah. And it just reminded me that.
Cristina: So we would do the same though.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Because we're on PCs, but. Okay.
Jack: Yeah. Yeah. Interesting little details about things the Mayans had that are inscribed on their structures.
Cristina: Robots? No. I don't know.
Jack: I can imagine hydraulic piping systems.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Water would flow directly from holes. They'd cut out, clean the water, and then deliver it to the people directly. Very important because this technology is specifically for indoor water collection and distribution.
Cristina: That's important.
Jack: Very important. Because the idea is you create cavities in the ground in areas deep enough where the collective moisture and pressure squeezes water into that hole. Then that's going to go through a series of minerals, rocks, and different kinds of. Just by the way, it's all nature. They could replicate this underground forever.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So it's easy to just use what's around you if you're underground, excavate a bunch of crap and use that same crap you excavated in the first place to clean all your water. So water goes through a bunch of things in a certain order that they have the. The, I guess a compound structure arranged in. There's an order arranged in. So it goes kind of like sharpening a knife where you go from a certain blade to a certain blade to kind of get the fine cut.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: The same idea was applying here. The water would go through different stages and come out purified on the other side, all replicatable underground. Just a fine tuned water distribution system entirely designed for underground water distribution. And also using natural underground lighting how bouncing the minimum light off of itself Repeatedly to create giant luminescence. And then you, for example, light a fire in one spot. A million mirrors together would create a really bright other spot.
Cristina: That's pretty cool.
Jack: And then you could light many places.
Cristina: Awesome.
Jack: Indoors.
Cristina: Yeah, that's. That's pretty interesting. I feel like I see that in video games all the time when you're solving puzzles. For some reason, it's always with fire and mirrors. Yeah, that's so common. I don't know what's happening there.
Jack: But yes, they had systems like this that allowed for that kind of thing in order to create really energy efficient botanic facilities indoors.
Cristina: I wonder what those for besides living?
Jack: Besides living underground.
Cristina: Underground. Okay. Perfect.
Jack: Yeah. Interesting. No?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Did they have ipods?
Jack: Maybe. They also invented the concept of zero. It came from that civilization, as far as we can know.
Cristina: Really.
Jack: Well, here's the weird thing about the concept of zero. The concept of zero seems to have been created in two different forms at exactly the same moment in two different locations. One was in India and the other one was in Maya. India created the infinite symbol and then the Mayans created zero. But they both essentially meant the same thing.
Cristina: Interesting.
Jack: And that happened with the prediction is within the five. The same five year period. But these people are very, very, very far apart.
Cristina: And one of them is sharing it with everyone and the other is just keeping it to themselves. I'm guessing because they're. I don't know, they're just very secretive. Like no one was. No. No one around in. Anywhere around the world knew what was happening in Maya.
Jack: No, that was the idea was you don't get to the heart of the city no matter how hard you try. If you're not one of us, you'll never see the inside.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: In fact, coming in means you never came out. Simple. They would easily end people trying to cross into their territory.
Cristina: Whoa.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Except they can't do that with diseases.
Jack: Nope. But also, here's the thing. That kind of stuff at this point in the future feels like narrative modification. There's a lot of narrative modification happening everywhere.
Cristina: So it might not be the truth.
Jack: I don't think it's the truth because there's too much evidence for an underground evacuation or just going underground for whatever reason. Maybe not an evacuation at this point, but leaving everything that's on top and going underneath the very ground you were just living.
Cristina: Okay. Does that make sense?
Jack: Yes. Mad crap tells us that's what was happening.
Cristina: That probably did is what happened now.
Jack: They had really, really, really extremely complicated astronomy as well.
Cristina: Of course they Did. Okay.
Jack: But it didn't ever seem like they use it for anything.
Cristina: Calendar.
Jack: What?
Cristina: But their calendar.
Jack: Well, yeah, it was essentially entirely designed to keep track of time.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: There was no other purpose in any context for space for them. All their. All their writings, all their records, all their data. Space was not a thought to go visit never crossed anyone's mind. It was like, why?
Cristina: Why?
Jack: But they use it to calculate really hyper specific time. And that is very interesting things that we know the sea people have based on little bits and pieces we can ascertain from the Bible, from Mayan records and from Egyptian records and from some Greek records.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But I'm confused at this point about which records are like the Greeks are.
Cristina: The farthest from the truth because they were seeing these things magically and with magic wise, you know, like.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: They weren't seeing the truth the way the other ones were. Which.
Jack: The people that were actually in on it.
Cristina: Exactly.
Jack: Which is an interesting idea by the way. It looks like they would just. The people that they weren't siding with, they would appear too godlike almost.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Like maybe the Greek were talking about the sea people, this collection of people who show up on this mountain. And like, maybe. Should I be looking at Olympus as well?
Cristina: Is that a different mountain? Is there stuff happening there? Oh, you think that those gods are these people?
Jack: I think those gods are the sea people. And Mount Olympus is just another place.
Cristina: Another place. Okay. You gotta go look into that. Okay.
Jack: There is a tradition with power and wealth to want height because you can always look down. So mountains make sense, especially when you're talking about the tallest mountains in the region.
Cristina: Yes, but this specific mountain was the one that they were talking about with the sea people.
Jack: Athos.
Cristina: Athos, yes.
Jack: Yes. While the mountain of Olympus is mainly used for their mythology. But what if we're talking about the same people?
Cristina: Wouldn't they notice the difference?
Jack: Well, no. The scientists and scholars wrote the records and the theists and believers wrote the mythology. And actually the gap in time here is huge too, because we're talking that these narratives were originally just spoken wor for huge portions of time.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: There wasn't even written record. They were just talking about these gods who hung out over there.
Cristina: Okay, so then everything that they were talking about was probably correct. Like they probably even had the mountain incorrect. And it was all one mountain.
Jack: But they were saying, no, maybe it's a lot of mountains. Maybe they just chill on top of mountains when they want to see the world.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And not just be hiding somewhere.
Cristina: Although this is the one mountain that the priests are hanging out on. They're not on Olympus too, are they?
Jack: No, I don't know. Actually, I have.
Cristina: Oh, we got to do research on that. Okay.
Jack: I don't know anything about Olympus.
Cristina: Well, let's figure that out.
Jack: But I. I'm definitely. That's an interesting thing to think about.
Cristina: Find out Jesus was on that mountain.
Jack: That'd be crazy. But I'm probably gonna find something like that.
Cristina: I bet.
Jack: I bet there is some weird occurrence like that. But the sea people things mentioned that we can just kind of piece together. In the Bible, they were said that the Persians. This is the Bible's name for the sea people. So the Persians, the people from Persia. Right. I guess the argument would be that.
Cristina: The people of the Persians.
Jack: Yeah, I guess the argument would be that the people of the Persian Gulf oasis were. That's just a city. That's not a country.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It's just a city of people. Yeah, in Persia.
Cristina: Yeah. And so how do we know who they're talking about?
Jack: Exactly. Okay, so this is what I mean by. It's probably the sea people. Okay, so the Persians are very dominant force and are always the winners of all the wars. But weird things that would happen is they would be chasing someone in the Bible and just disappear behind them. Well, they just vanished. Like they're not thinking beyond. Oh, like. Yes, there's no way we ran them. But God helped us. We moved faster than we had to or whatever. But no, they disappeared by every possible variant of this text. They just disappeared behind you. That sounds like advanced teleportation technology to me. God didn't just blink people out of existence.
Cristina: It totally could, but. Okay, I guess they could also just decide to blink out of existence. Not really, but teleport.
Jack: But the Jehovah we're familiar with probably didn't even create life.
Cristina: No. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So why would he be doing anything like that?
Jack: Unless he did.
Cristina: Unless he did what?
Jack: Hear me out. Hear me out. He's running a project called the Garden of Eden. He alone runs a project. He fires people if he wants.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: He doesn't have to be one of the sea people. Jehovah might not be one of the sea people. Jehovah might just have preferred the sea people like Adam, Eve, Lilith. But what if he created this system? The life that later became the sea people happened as well as everything else on the planet. All of it is a product of the Garden of Eden. Okay, this is the same guy who did it with his advanced technology. He comes from a Race even more technologically advanced. He's trying to create the perfect life.
Cristina: Okay. And the sea people must be this what he was trying to do, though?
Jack: Close enough.
Cristina: Close enough. Yeah.
Jack: So with the sea people, who are as perfect of a life as he's made so far, he waits until they get to their technologic peak, and then he jumps into the picture and he starts tinkering and getting help from them to see how much farther they can push it.
Cristina: Hey, what about angels? They're people that just teleport from place to place. Right. They don't actually have wings, do they? They're just people who just pop up and then pop out.
Jack: I think angels are also just the sea people.
Cristina: Exactly. That's what I'm thinking. Like, that's possible.
Jack: Yeah. Yeah, 100%. Oh, you're saying that there's a lot of mentions of that in the Bible.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Specifically, the Manji were really weird people. They seem to have strange, kind of I'm just here all of a sudden abilities.
Cristina: Mm. Well, they were like, we followed something to be here.
Jack: Fair enough. They're claiming a narrative happened, an adventure.
Cristina: Yeah. While these angels are, like, God sent me here. Yeah.
Jack: I magically appealed, like, a second ago. He just told me, and here I am.
Cristina: Oh, yeah.
Jack: Yeah, I guess. But they're still working for Jehovah.
Cristina: Exactly.
Jack: Interesting. So he makes the tech. He's from some other civilization. Some really uber, mega crazy.
Cristina: He's a cat person. What if that was the answer all along?
Jack: That would be crazy. But the cat people aren't advanced enough also.
Cristina: Yes, they are.
Jack: You think cat people?
Cristina: Weren't they originally the people that did the pyramids? Weren't the pyramids related to cat people? And that's why they have all those cat people statues and the lion statues. What are the lions about? Maybe that was about cat people this whole time.
Jack: Hold up.
Cristina: Who knows?
Jack: Interesting point. But the cat people are. The ones you're talking about specifically aren't on the planet anymore. In fact, we don't know why. We know they left.
Cristina: We know they left, but there are some here.
Jack: Not advanced ones like that, but they're.
Cristina: Protecting technology, research and stuff. Yeah.
Jack: At the bottom of Lake Loch Ness.
Cristina: Yeah. So they might be in other locations protecting things like the pyramid and.
Jack: Right, because there's a bunch of rusted old things that are abandoned.
Cristina: If there's one Lake Loch Ness lab thing, there's others.
Jack: Yeah, no, you're totally right. There would definitely be other locations that have different resources. But then the question is, why keep it On Earth?
Cristina: I don't know. But we know that they live out there and they have their own.
Jack: And can we. Do we have to assume that even though they're descendants, it's the same purpose and same goal they're trying to achieve? It looks like whatever happened with the civilization in Egypt, it did split because there were Cat people and humans. And the Cat people kind of assuming they were forced to leave because of the Atlanteans. But even we can't reach the Atlanteans.
Cristina: No, I don't know. And now I think the Atlanteans were working for Cat people. I think God was a cat person.
Jack: That doesn't make any sense.
Cristina: So advanced. They, they, they have the whole that space in that space in space, that giant space in space. That's where they live.
Jack: We don't know that they're there, but.
Cristina: It'S most likely them that's in there.
Jack: Well, based on the narrative that we're going by, the Cat People have been many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many almost million years later. So that hole is the Atlanteans. That's where they're getting their energy from.
Cristina: The Atlanteans?
Jack: Yeah, that's where they're getting their energy.
Cristina: You think the Cat People are newer than the Atlanteans?
Jack: Yes, the Atlanteans are a million years old. The cat people are 10,000 years old.
Cristina: How do we know they're just 10,000 years old?
Jack: Because they are Egyptian.
Cristina: Well, we know.
Jack: And they must have happened after Egypt got its technology. Presumably after they created some sort of genetic problem and then led to the Cab people's birth in the first place. And then the Cab people overthrew them, literally forcing them to create statues and crap. But at this point, I'm assuming during the power struggle, the dip, the first dip happened. I guess maybe they were just trying to get the h*** out of there too. It was like, yeah, this is all falling s*** anyways, get the f*** out of here. And then they left, which is why we know that they were leaving in the first place. And then the Cat People took over whatever was left.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And then the Cat People had to leave when the Atlanteans were like, shoot, cat, don't bother me. And then normal everyday Egyptians settled and they just continued.
Cristina: I guess that could be it.
Jack: So if we can get to Atlantis, then we can probably get help in stopping the Cat People. Maybe that's the answer and we didn't need Jesus all along. But. Although I guess it's the same idea because Jesus is just a sea person too.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So we were on the right track.
Cristina: He could help us probably get down there.
Jack: Jesus could probably help us get down.
Cristina: He helped him.
Jack: He helped it. No, he didn't. He died.
Cristina: Well, she went to the mountain looking for him. So did he really?
Jack: She went to the mountain after his death and prayed to him.
Cristina: Oh yeah. And somehow that works. I don't know.
Jack: Jesus popping in and out of random locations is definitely another example of angel like behavior of this kind of hyper advanced technology poofing in and out.
Cristina: Yeah. So he'll help us. Oh crap. You know, wake him up.
Jack: Yeah, we need to get Jesus Christ out of that. It comes back to that. Everything circles back. Anyways. Okay. So basically we just trying to come up with some plans and future intentions. But it seems that there's definitely. We got to look into Mount Olympus, that's for sure. And we have to figure out what's happening there. And are those sea people? Maybe we're just hunting sea people now and we got to see if we can get the sea people to help us. And we need. Probably need Jesus for that.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: But he's a. This is stupid plan already. This is like when we're trying to catch Santa Claus because he's specifically the one person who's not allowed to know where it is.
Cristina: Huh?
Jack: Yep. I mean, there must be some use to him.
Cristina: Yes. Oh, that's really complicated. I forgot. He can't go there.
Jack: He's the one person who can't go.
Cristina: There because then everyone knows crap. So he's useless. Ah. How does every plan just end up being useless? Every plan. We thought Santa Claus would be a great plan.
Jack: Of course he saw it coming. Yeah, we suck.
Cristina: We thought. We can't predict people who could just predict us. Pretty much is.
Jack: Here's the problem. Here's a problem. Most of the issues we deal with are pretty easy to solve. And they're like no f****** problem. I. This effort. Effortless. Effortless. Set an afterthought. But because of what we've been dealing with as of late, we're talking really complicated problems to solve.
Cristina: Yes. But all of these, they're so advanced. They're so ahead of us. It's just impossible.
Jack: Yeah. We're. We're really far behind. How this is.
Cristina: Getting them is like getting Santa. Like, it's. It's how. How do you do anything? But they would know. They would not let us with Jesus. It doesn't make sense.
Jack: Jesus knows the Maji. The Maji can get us there.
Cristina: Okay. That's a start. Okay, that helps.
Jack: There we go. You see, there's a path we can take. This is futile and lost.
Cristina: All right, that's. That works.
Jack: Anyways, if you guys got some ideas on how we can find some more of this stuff and which direction we can go in. If you know anything about Mount Olympus that I should be looking at, reach us, contact us, hit us up on our socials at JustConvopod, on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok.
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Cristina: Yeah. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.
Jack: I think conditions warp how we behave and how we think and how we process information and how we receive the world. But including Hitler, you gotta understand, as a kid whose entire country was ravaged and he had to deal with the aftermath of World War II and understood what pillaging was. And he was one. Oh, yeah, World War I. And he's like, Austria got shafted, Germany got shafted. Like, what? So he had this warped point if he wasn't a bad guy, like, really, really. He was a scarred, hurt, broken person who saw a lot of tragedy that changed how he behaved. And he found other people who went through what he went through, talked to them into, we can stop this from ever happening again.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And then they went on the move like it's. It made sense in their eyes.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Eventually spiraled way the f*** out of control, don't get me wrong. And it was entirely because of the idea that there is an us versus them mentality. And look, we're going to save the world for everybody. We need everybody to agree. And then. Well, that's impossible, bro. That part. You. You dropped the ball on that last bit. Everybody can't agree that's we're human. Like, bro, when have you seen Unanimous Agreement?
Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.
