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Rambling 298: The Grounding of Stuff Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised. Jack: Going live in 5, 4. Cristina: What does live mean? Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack. Cristina: And I'm your host, Cristina. Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And I think we've been doing that successfully lately. Cristina: Yes. Jack: So last week and the show before then, we were trying to get to what I was trying to talk about this entire time, but we got busy grounding things because that's our job. And that sidetracked us from getting to our one and only goal that this week we're definitely, without a doubt, gonna get to, which is, again, the fill people in on everything. And we've been doing this for a very long time. All we ever haven't. Cristina: Yeah. I don't understand. We've been doing what we've been supposed to be doing. Jack: Well, because grounding is our job, we can easily get sidetracked into grounding things because everything is groundable, if that makes sense. Cristina: So then we've been doing our job. Jack: Yeah, yeah, it's. It kind of loops back and forward to some degree, but I think we have some pretty good Grady greatest hits when it comes to grounding things. I think the whole Elation saga was beautiful. There's a lot, but it's infinite. And like, that gets frustrating. I think finding independent creatures that aren't related to them dope, and many things that are related to them dope. And it's funny because a lot of that, even finding the Elysians, really began about trying to see what the h*** was happening at the Bermuda Triangle. Cristina: That's where it started. Jack: Yeah. We were trying to find out what was happening in the Bermuda Triangle and then looking into clouds. Cristina: And then I thought it started with the unicorns. Jack: Well, that led us to the Alicorn that Antonio Dracohan. And that's kind of technically, that's the beginning. If this was a movie, if this was structured into a movie, the way that it built up into the Elysians. Right. Not even talking about the Elysian specifically, but a meta look at the show we were originally looking at. I think it was. Oh, no. Because then we migrated to the Groundhog. We were just looking at creatures and we were breaking apart clouds. There were some weird cloud patterns that we wanted to look into. And so we went through an entire breakdown of clouds, and then we veered off. We knew that the something weird was happening with that collection of clouds on top of the Bermuda Triangle. So that Allured us. Do you remember that? Cristina: Yes, but I don't think that had anything to do with Alicia. Jack: Not yet. Cristina: That was part of whatever story we had before. Jack: Well, no, because we were trying to find out what was happening directly under them. What was. What were they there for? Why was there a collection of clouds over the Bermuda Triangle? And I think then we looked into the groundhog, which I don't know if he ever finished his training. Cristina: Was it. Yes, he was part of training. To talk to the clouds. To the clouds? To get the clouds to talk to the sun, I think. Jack: Yes, because the sun is technically a cloud, too. Cristina: I think we were trying to stop some impending something from the cat People. Jack: Yes. Maybe an invasion or something. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Oh, no, no. We were trying to originally. Originally find out what was happening with the other stars disappearing in the great void. Cristina: Oh, yes. Jack: And we would need to talk to the sun to do it, which we. Cristina: Would use with clouds, but we thought we could use the. What is it? The. The groundhog. Because he could communicate with the weather. Jack: Yes, exactly. Oh, man. Cristina: The last one just died. So we had to train a new one. Jack: Yes. We had to give him adrenochrome. Cristina: Yes. Jack: He was Phil, right? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: It was Steve. Philly is the one who died. And then Steve was his replacement. A random groundhog we just gave a bunch of adrenochrome and started training. Cristina: Secrets of hogs is that they always were taking adrenochrome. Jack: No, it was specifically the one for. The one that they were talking to. Cristina: Yes. Yes. The groundhog 00:05:00 Cristina: that was chosen for Groundhog Day is always taking a dream. Jack: But that one died. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And so we were training one the way they were doing because we accidentally killed Phil. Cristina: I think so. Jack: I don't remember how we killed Phil, but we killed Phil. I know that much. Cristina: I believe that is right. Jack: And then maybe they don't even know we replaced Phil. They don't know. They're just humans. And then we replace Phil with Steve, and they have no idea. And then secretly we've been training Steve in order to talk to the clouds so that the clouds. Specifically weather, I guess, which was also bouncing off of when we were talking about lightning as a component, but unrelated to the clouds, because those are two different individuals interacting. Cristina: Yeah. So that's the idea. And then we're gonna communicate with the planet somehow. Jack: And then we're gonna get. Go on and on Steve. To talk to the clouds. The clouds would talk to the sun. The sun would. But still, something weird was happening down there. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And actually, Steve wasn't going to talk to the cloud specifically. There was a cloud with a face that we were gonna go talk to. Cristina: And we needed. Jack: Yes, yes. And we needed Steve for that. Cristina: Okay. Jack: So we were specifically gonna talk to that one cloud. That's a cloud. God or some crap. A demi cloud. And he was gonna talk to the sun or something. Cristina: I guess so. Yeah. Jack: Cool. But in doing so, we were like, weird that these clouds have. They're like floating over the. The Bermuda Triangle. And so we veer off and we're looking at different underwater things. I know. We were doing that for a while and we stumble upon. Actually, no, we ignore that for a while because we did Bimini Road, which we didn't. We thought about, you know, leading into the. Again, from a movie's perspective. It saw us doing these things, and then it shows us going somewhere else and discovering a different clue. But the. The. The viewer knows. The viewer knows. It's like, oh, this is related. The Bimini is by the Bahamas. A little tiny road that we looked at a long time ago that had the statues underwater. And it was like, kind of aiming towards the Bermuda Triangle. And we're like, oh, yeah, they're definitely down there because of xyz. Reason we still didn't know that the Elysians are the Atlanteans. We're just like some other people over there. And then we started looking into the Persian Gulf oasis because we were doing Atlanteans in specific. We were still calling them Atlanteans until we got to Antonio Draco. Cristina: I feel like before him, we were talking about the equator. Jack: Yes. Which was another thing related to them, wasn't it? But again, we didn't know. We're just like this giant equator surrounding the Earth. And it looks like these places built along this line were all in communication with one another or in communication with some bigger governing body. But they were all in sync with us. We still haven't found out what the point of that was. I thought we did the whole equator line. I know that a bunch of them died out. Is it because it was the line which. Cristina: Like, which Satan went to give them the tech? I guess it's easier for him to travel in a straight line. Jack: Yeah, I guess. Or maybe delivery was easier between the countries. So, like, we keep passing it down the line. We're all next to each other and he doesn't have to personally deliver it. It'll always keep rolling down the path. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Or maybe the equator is just the line in which the civilizations were Gonna be built like they were starting there. So we see them as just. Cristina: But why did they choose that? Jack: I. Why versus, like become a bubble or. Versus, like anything? Squiggly line. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Why a straight line, Right? Cristina: Yes. Jack: I have a theory on that. And I think it has more to do with Hermes. If you look at a lot of Hermes research, there were a lot of these symbols. He was essentially, if you remember, he was building comprehensive, like transmutation circles with a bunch of detailed symbolism and junk as part of meditation and energy moving and whatever he was doing. I think similar to the Hedron Collider, which is probably one of those. I think this line surrounding the Earth was the beginning of a complicated design that maybe was to envelop the Earth or a design that does in fact envelop the earth. And we have only found that specific 00:10:00 Jack: version of it interesting. Cristina: If it relates like, was he murdering them? Like, did they die off or did he kill them? Jack: No, no, no. Oh, well, that's another interesting. Cristina: Because we know the first. There was a different line and no one made it from that other line. Jack: So you think the Kearney. No. But the equator is just where everything moves along. I guess they must have done it ahead of time. Interesting. Interesting. Look at it like this. Look at it like this. Because this does have to make sense to some degree. Right. The equator gradually shifts place. The globe exists. And the equator is always by itself moving simply because of how rotations work and whatnot. So what if the line is starting to catch up? But they built society there and never told them. These guys are always working in secrecy. And the equator slowly kept migrating to that line. Slowly kept until it lined up. We know that alignments matter. We know the solaces work in Castillo in order to bridge a gate that allows people to go into the Shadow Realm and teleport along. So that's. Alignments matter. Somehow. If they built civilization, let's say north to south and started the line west to east, and it was always moving clockwise. It would eventually migrate from west to east to north to south. If in that moment something happened. Great transmutation. And all those people died. Philosopher stones. This could explain why some of these structures are some of the oldest ever seen. Cristina: Yes, they were. They weren't building on that line when it was the line. No, they were just way before the. Jack: Build on the line. That was unreal. And nothing they could track. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Or understand. Cristina: But someone did. Jack: Yes. And in order to get them to do this successfully, they did need technology. Maybe it was never about sharing the Technology. And the way we think about it, for Lucifer, maybe Jehovah man, we jump back and forth here real hard. Cristina: Bad guy. Jack: Who's the bad guy? Cristina: Okay. But Lucy was doing something sketchy. Jack: He was doing something sketchy. He was doing something really ridiculously sketchy. Because everybody was gone. Cristina: Yes. Jack: There's nobody there at all. It's all 100% gone. All that really exists is the ruins to that. And Jehovah recorded is telling him no. He is like, but come on, bro. We need this. Cristina: Yes. But we know he at least did it or tried to do whatever it was that he did twice. Jack: Because when he went to Shadow Realm. Cristina: No, because there was an old equator line that is destroyed of ruins and stuff. Jack: And the newer one, the new equator line, has nothing built on it. Cristina: It has nothing built on it. Jack: No. Oh, the new equator line is just where the line kept moving to. Cristina: Oh. Only the old one had the ruins. Jack: Only the old one had the ruined lines. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: If there is, we don't know where because nobody's thought about this. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And maybe it would be trackable. Maybe major cities line up in a way we never thought about or something. And then one day, by default, because. Cristina: It could be more than one line. Through the Earth. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Around the earth. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: We just have to find. Jack: We would just have to find to connect the dots. Cristina: Yeah. And it has nothing to do with the equator. Just. We just need to see that pattern. Jack: But you know what's even scarier at this point, this means that 12,000 years ago, we weren't beginning to develop. We know that their technology was crazy, but they weren't beginning to develop immense technology. They were already at earth scale technology. 12,000 years ago, they could just, in one shot, boom, across the earth, kill everybody and make. Well, at least along the line of the equator. Maybe they didn't want to erase humanity. Cristina: That's what I was thinking. That the whole purpose of that would be so that not all of it was gone. Jack: So maybe they don't even need these factories like Epstein's Island. What the h*** is that for? Well, then again, where it's two different purposes. Cristina: Specific people. Jack: Yes. That's to drain. That's for adrenochrome. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Versus something like stone. The stones. So maybe they've been able to make stones casually, whenever they want. Cristina: Yeah. We just need to find more lines. Jack: We just need to find more lines. On the flip side, wars are an easy way, and they're clearly in charge of the government. Cristina: Somehow 00:15:00 Cristina: that seems more of adrenochrome. Than a stone thing? Jack: We don't know. Cristina: We don't know. Jack: We don't see. In some instances, we see the bodies, but in other wars, it's just like, oh, yeah, some private attack happened. And it's like, wow, really? Or is it only when we drop, like, bombs and we can't go look at the evidence? Like, that was probably no bomb. You guys are just showing us a bunch of. And really, at the end of the day, what happened was you guys made another stone. Cristina: Would the bodies disappear? Jack: The bodies would disappear. Cristina: Okay. Jack: If it's for adrenochrome, the bodies would stay. Cristina: Mm. That's why most of them has to be for adrenochrome. Jack: Have you seen the bodies in most of them? Cristina: I think someone has. Jack: How do you confirm that person was real and not just another person? Just saying. Oh, yeah, I saw it. Cristina: Oh. Jack: I bet North Korea makes stones regularly. Cristina: Who would know? Jack: I bet there's human farms there where they breed humans. Because nobody knows where they breed humans. And then just en masse. But you dilute the genetic pool if they're always just cattle. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And you're just making the. There's something about the more complex the life force. Well, the life form than the more complex life force. Yeah. What is the rule? The more complicated the life form, the more complicated the life force. The less complicated the life form, the less complicated life source. It began a long time ago at Butterflies or some s***. Weird. Because we discovered a bunch of adrenochrome before we found out it was connected. Cristina: Mm. Jack: We found it through butterflies. Well, we've heard about it here and there, stumble upon things kind of pointing in that direction, then when they looked at it, and we found that through butterflies, that was, like, the original, like, attempt. And then other people throughout history, which I remember specifically, we looked into that were figuring it out in other ways. The countess in the 1700s or 1600, somewhere around there. It could have been the 13th. Who the h*** knows who was killing her? Her maze. That was for adrenochrome. And so we found, again, adrenochrome somewhere else, and we didn't. She might have not known, and we might have not known. But, again, a bunch of people did, though. So maybe she was in the in group who knew about adrenochrome. And although the people who wrote about it didn't get it, she knew why she was doing it. She stayed young, and they were all, oh, yeah, she was using it for her skin. And that was. Make her stay young. And it's like, no she was drinking that s***, bro. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: That's why she actually. That's why it actually worked. F***. That's exactly why it worked. She was killing them b****** and drinking it. And they were. The people reporting on it didn't really understand. They thought she was bathing in it, but she was just putting it in the tub to have a source of it. Cristina: Ew. Jack: She could continue to drink. I guess she was vampiring the f*** out. And this has a lot to do with the area she was in. They probably thought vampirism worked this way. We interpret it in the horror movie style, but vampires are relatively new. They weren't. Cristina: Vampires are based on adrenochrome. Jack: Vampires are actually just based on Dracula, and Dracula ain't even that old, so. S***. You get my point. Like, there wasn't a concept of vampires back then. Their understanding of a vampire was crap. Like the Countess. And like, Dracula could have easily been based on the Countess in a castle. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Attracting maids. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And drink. Literally drinking their blood. Cristina: It's the same story. Jack: It's the same story. And we found the Countess and we found a couple of, like, old school serial killers who were doing the same thing. We. We did that for Halloween one. So we were just looking at weird instances like that. We have a couple of really good Halloween episodes. Cristina: Well, didn't do any this year. You got anything for right now, this. Jack: Moment to do some Halloween? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: No, I don't now. We didn't do it for this year, but next year we should hit all the holidays. Find. I mean, it's interesting to go look at something that we haven't looked at for a while and with new eyes and find something we missed before. Cristina: Yes. Have we ever did a Thanksgiving thing? Jack: We've done many Thanksgiving. Cristina: Oh, yes, we have. But we haven't talked about the turkeys that we save that we pardon. I don't get that. Jack: We pardon turkeys. Cristina: Yeah. The President pardons turkeys every year. Yeah. He puts them in a hotel, keeps them fed and happy, and then he, I guess, brings them in front of people like the, like. I don't know, like the groundhog. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: And 00:20:00 Cristina: it's like, these turkeys cannot be eaten. Eaten. Jack: They must die of old age. Cristina: Yes. And I don't know how anyone keeps track of that. Jack: I bet. I bet that's the turkey the President eats. Cristina: Oh, that's awful. Jack: I bet some president was a douchebag and did that. If that's not the case, somebody was like, you know what? This is a stupid tradition. I want that turkey President. But no, no. Replace the turkey. Nobody's gonna know. I want that turkey. I want to eat a famous turkey. Cristina: The one that you said can never be eaten. That's messed up. Jack: Why? What's the difference? How would anybody even know as long as the illusion persists? Cristina: I don't know. I feel like you'll get. You will not get away with it. Jack: I. I want to get away with it. And then on my deathbed as president, I'll be like, get cameras and everything. I'll be or ex president, however that works. And I'll be like, for the world to know I ate that turkey. Cristina: That's messed up. Jack: Boom, boom. Will anybody give up? Nobody's gonna give a. They're gonna be like, he ate a turkey. Cristina: They're gonna say, you're a monster. Jack: If they. If it happened, like, the next day that it came out, they would be like, oh, my God. Yay, though. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Right now, most of them send you. Cristina: To jail to rest, to live the rest of your life to. Jack: I'm. I'm on my deathbed. Cristina: Who cares? You're gonna be in your deathbed in a jail cell. Jack: That's. I mean, I guess it wouldn't matter to me. Cristina: It wouldn't matter to you? Jack: No, no, it wouldn't matter. I'm already dying. Like, what do I got? Days. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Like, spend the rest of my days in a place that has to take care of me for a fact. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Whoa. Cristina: But you'll be in orange or whatever color those suits are, and then they. Jack: Die in a box. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: That's cool. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Concrete box. Who else did we find that was using adrenochrome? Oh, we found some Greek stories with it. That was afterwards. That was after we found out the Elysians. When do we find out they were called the Aletians? Cristina: Probably to do with Greece or Egyptians or. I think it was Egyptian. Jack: I think it was in the text that the Egyptians had discussing the Elysians, because they also referred to them as the Sea peoples. Cristina: And so did the Greek. Not the Greeks, the Mayans. Mayans. Jack: We looked at Maya a bunch of times. We looked at my. A long time ago without knowing they were connected to the Egyptians. Cristina: And we also, like, recently found out that they have portals to the shadow realm. Yes, that we think. We were thinking there. Jack: No, we knew they had portals to the shadow realm. We found out recently they were crossing people regularly. Cristina: Yes. Yes. That's happening everywhere. Jack: Yes. Cristina: And we had no clue that was happening. Jack: Yeah, we looked at that. Didn't know that there was this Entire civilization there went like two years without having any idea. Meanwhile, we found the. The villages around the world, including the one in Puerto Rico. That's a really famous one. All these groups that are just mixed shadow realm, Earth realm creatures found out. Cristina: All those people that were talking crazy stories about, like, I'm afraid that my child's gonna be kidnapped by a fairy. And then we realize, oh, crap, there's. Jack: They're onto something. They're on to. They were. It wasn't fairies, but they were kind of on the market. Cristina: Yeah, they were. They were close. Jack: They were close. They were close. There's a bunch of creatures kidnapping children. So it was based on some interesting y. Cristina: They were insane. Jack: No, man. It is a kind of weird road that took us here. Adrenochrome was a weird one. We found that so many times because. Cristina: It'S the easiest way. Jack: Everything, even by accident. I really, really. I always think about the story about the wolves in the. In the battlefield and how they would go out and like, when they were starving because the battlefield scared off all the other creatures, so they had nothing to hunt, and they were just out there feeding on the freshly dead people. But those people were in war, bro. They had just unloaded their guns, had the guns unloaded on them, seen friends die, seen bombs go off maybe in that time, or depending when. When wars happened. Because this was in the, what, the 17, 1970s, 1917s, and another one again in the 1950s. So there was bombs already. And like, this resulted in some crazy creatures, bro. Yes, that's nuts. Werewolves, which then, in hindsight, kind of informs our older story when we looked into werewolves and we found out that the natives would dress up with the. Cristina: Fur of the wolves and then turn into wolves. Jack: Not turn tools, but run 00:25:00 Jack: around the woods. Cristina: There was some stories of people wearing wolf fur and then turning into wolves. Jack: No, that's what they thought they saw. That's what the people. The. The white man. Cristina: Oh, he saw. Jack: Because they would see the. The problem is that they were with wolves. The natives in these areas would be wearing the fur of their family members who were wolves. They lived in nature with the wolves, naturally, and so they would be wearing the wolf fur and the wolf would be seen by the people who lived around there. And then they would see shortly thereafter, a native wearing wolf stuff, and they think it's the same thing. That's where the original myth of the werewolf came from. But the actual real world equivalent is a werewolf, a wolf drinking adrenochrome and then resulting. Cristina: The werewolf is a Wolf becoming a man and not a man becoming a wolf. Jack: Exactly. It's not becoming a man, but kind of getting a more bipedal look. It's very Pokemon. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You know, just transformed and now it's bipedal for whatever reason. So. Yeah. Cristina: I don't know. I feel like there are some men that claim to have turned into wolves, though. But are those just crazy people? Jack: No, because we also have people that were turning in the things. Not everybody has exactly the same reaction, but it's more or less the same reaction. We've had men turning into wolves. No, I don't think we've ever had people turning into the wolves. Cristina: There's a guy, I think for the church, he was confessing that the devil made him dress up as a wolf, turn into a wolf to fight the. No, the church forced him to turn into a werewolf so he can fight the demons or something. There's some wild story like that. Jack: We talked about it on the show. Cristina: Yeah, it was before all of this. It's way in the past of just talking about creatures not connecting to anything. Jack: That was when we were doing werewolves one and two, right? Yeah, man, I don't even remember that. Cristina: Yeah. I think he was claiming that the church would turn him and like a bunch of other homeless people into werewolves to fight demons. Jack: What the. Well, I don't remember all that. Cristina: I don't know what that is. But I know that they do have weird stuff happening. Jack: We know because the Church does weird s*** all the time. Cristina: Yes. They have portals and they also have items. Sacred items. Jack: Yes, they do, actually. Cristina: Body parts. Magical body parts of saints. Jack: Yeah. They hoard all the things with power they could find. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: But later we found out that was entirely because they were trying to erase the existence of magic and. Which is really just really complicated science. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And the body parts and things are saving are. Because think about it. They're saving a cloth that was protecting Jesus and he came back to life in or something. And it's like. Well, that was some technology that was reviving him or whatever. Or that had like proof of some residue of some kind of compound that they don't need anybody to know exists, you know? Cristina: Okay. Jack: Of the fruit or something. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: So they. They keep all of these things. They either have some kind of ability attached to some complicated technology or whatever the case might be, and they confiscate it all and hide it. Cristina: That's crazy. Still. That's pretty crazy. Jack: And still they couldn't compete with actual Jesus. Cristina: Well, they're. They're either Helping him or hiding him? Jack: Why would they need to hide him? Cristina: Because they're working with the. The. I'm thinking fairies, but that's not the word. I'm thinking. Who, Who. What is he? Jack: What is who? Cristina: Jesus. Jack: He is an Elysian Alicia. Cristina: And they're either working with Jesus or the Elysians. Jack: The church. Yeah. I think. I think we have three parties. Cristina: You think they're separate? Jack: I think they're separate. I think there's more than three parties. I think party we actually. I think. I don't think we've ever broken this down. I think party number one is the Elysians and their homies, like the Mayans and the Egyptians. Group two is Jesus and whoever's backing him, which is unclear. Cristina: Shadow people. Question mark. Jack: Question mark. Because we don't know. Because group three is a shadow people with Lucifer and all those individuals. Because even the shadow people who've joined our Earth Realm teams, we're calling those as part of Jehovah's team. Okay, so those are the Elysians. We have the Elysians there with all those people, including the shadow realm people that are there. Then we have the shadow room people who are a separate entity entity 00:30:00 Jack: made up of many Elysians and humans who've been outcasted one to the shadow realm. We got Jesus. That's three main group tied up there. Then we have Mab and her group of people somewhere doing something that's hyper unclear to us. See, we all never know. Exactly. Then we have the Greek that randomly pop up and are like always keeping up. They're like Piccolo. They're always keeping up with Goku and like how. Okay, but they're always there. And we don't know if any of this or even if the Elysians themselves are in any way connected to the original top of that, which is Jehovah's father Yahweh and his father Eloi. And how. That we still don't understand the giant leap from all of that all the way back to Yaldabao and how any of them might connect to what's happening now. Cristina: Yes. And we have no idea anything about Hermes either. Jack: Hermes, he's like neutral party. It looks like he helped everybody do whatever. Yeah, he's such a central figure. Cristina: But he might have even helped Jesus Satan with the line. Jack: He might have. But we know many instances suggest he might have helped Lucifer. Cristina: Yeah. So that's interesting. Jack: It looks like he might have helped Lucifer. It looks like he might directly be the teacher of Jesus. Yeah, it looks like he gave a johor who Worked or was friends or something with Jehovah. Cristina: And he has some connection with the Greece. Jack: And he has some connection with Greece. And he might have existed back with Eloi and Lilith, which suggests that he would have also been around at the time of Jesus, Jehovah's father, Yahweh. He would have been in contact with every single everything straight through. Cristina: Yes. Jack: I don't understand how. Because he is a God, he might actually be. Everybody else is some being that got there. He might actually. Dude, based on how we're describing him, right? Cristina: Yes. Jack: He goes everywhere, lives immortally, contacts everybody. Now, here's an interesting part about Hermes, which, based on his talks, might make sense. Let's say Hermes does come around in the year 12,000 BC, right? That's when he's born, not before then. But what do his lessons teach us? He says the fabric of reality itself is up to you to move around and control as you please. If you understand my teachings, you can just casually move in and out. Nothing matters. Nothing is of consequence. Everything is readjustable. Could it be that although he began there, he easily just shows up in the past? Is that a capability of his? Yes, because we know many necromancers can just f*** with time. Cristina: He can too. Yeah, I guess. Jack: Just poof. So he was born recently, but he could just be back there? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And that explains him showing up everywhere. He became he again. He was just a creature that became a God beyond anything all these other people could even fathom. Cristina: Mm. Except for Jesus, maybe. Jack: Well, he taught Jesus. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: It to this moment, it kind of does almost look like Hermes over Jesus. So if we were to just calculate their abilities and what they've done. Cristina: Yeah, but if Jesus gets to actually ex. Goes follows those principles that he has to teach, like what makes the difference, what makes him under. Jack: It looks like Hermes can cross into the fairy realm. It does not seem like Jesus can. As far as we know. Cristina: As far as we know. Jack: As far as we know. Cristina: Exactly. I don't know. That doesn't really. Jack: Only based on what we've found, he. He hasn't. Maybe we'll find something different to the contrary. But as of now, it looks like Hermes is the only one who's figured out how to enter this other space. With all of the efforts that everybody else has. I haven't seen a mention of Jesus doing that. Cristina: Well, maybe that story of him going into heaven. What does that mean. Jack: Going into heaven? Cristina: Yeah. And the end of his story before he comes back to Earth, like, what is that? I don't Know exactly. Jack: He dips out. Cristina: Could that be him exiting? Jack: But then that means he's always behind. He didn't just inherently have the ability like these other 00:35:00 Jack: things. He discovered that like a science. Which means that Hermes mastered it. He's a beginner at it. Hermes is still above. Cristina: Yeah, but that doesn't mean he can't get to that point. Like once you got it, you got it. Jack: He has a head start. Is he gonna. Is Hermes gonna continue getting better or is there a top? Which means if there's a top, they can catch up and land there. If not, then. Because again, if it's science, you can keep pushing it. Oh yeah, you can continue to push it. Cristina: But I think Jesus is still up there. Jack: He would be number two. I'm thinking he's number two. Cristina: Yeah. Because he did escape. I think he might have gone there. I think that was the story. Jack: And that's simply because we cannot rank things from Elfame. We have no idea. Yeah, it's possible. Those things are way more complicated in ways we couldn't comprehend. Cristina: But he might have gone into alpha and then came back. Jack: Yes. Cristina: I think that's. That's the story to say that. Yes. Jack: Right. But yeah, no, 100%. But that doesn't make him. I still think we've discovered that there is less appearance of Hermes. He's more rare to come across. So he's better at being invisible. He's been around longer, so there should be more of him. But he is good at being invisible. Cristina: But also he's using much of different names. I don't know. Jack: He always goes by Hermes. Cristina: He does. Oh yes, he does. It's Jesus that goes by different names. Jack: Jesus goes by different names and is still nowhere as elusive. Cristina: Okay. Jack: We don't know necessarily anything about what Hermes looks like. We just know he was robed. He was nice and discreet. Okay, he was robed. We have no descriptors for his face. We. We know just the things surrounding his robe. His face is usually in shadow and the robe itself was very dark. Gave look to that traditional necromancer thing, secrecy and privacy. So they adopted the look. Cristina: The necromancers. Jack: The necromancers adopt the look. That's also why we always see Jesus robed up. Everybody else might have layers to the robes, tuck ins on their ways. But Jesus wore like gown style things. It was very necromancer. And he's known for having the scarf with the hood. Cristina: That's not Mary. Are you sure? Jack: Jesus had the same thing. I guess Mary was also trying to be private. Oh, but that's logical. And the most important facet here is. I mean, Jesus would have to become a more more complicated threat eventually because he's still half Elysian. Cristina: Yeah. What is a Hermes? Jack: Human. Cristina: How do we know he's not half. How do. Jack: We don't know. We just know that you have to be human to be an echromancer. Cristina: Yes, but Jesus proves you could just be half human. Like you don't have to be full human. Jack: Jesus proves you could be half human. This brings up an interesting problem and it totally explains the Elysians not wanting Elysian men or women to breed with humans. Because nephilim that become necromancers may be problematic. Cristina: Yes. Yeah. Jack: Is the fear the necromancers, the few necromancers we know about are problematic. And then there's Hermes, who seems undefeatable by any standard we could imagine. Cristina: But then you think they'd be an enemy with him, but there don't seem to be. Even though they fear everything he is, they don't want another version of him. Jack: I mean, everybody's trying. Think about what the requirements were for the Golem. Think about what the requirements were for Jesus. You have to be able to cross all three thresholds seamlessly. What? Who's the only other individual we know who could do that? It's Hermes they're trying to imitate Hermes. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Right. And he ain't a fairy. They just know a human learned how to do the thing and that for whatever reason, Elysians can't be necromancers. Cristina: Yes, but they don't want to make more. They do and they don't. They don't want it. Jack: You want to control them. They want to be able to make a necromancer and control it. Cristina: Hence the creation of like things like Jesus. No more. Jack: Jesus was a problem. Yeah. Think of not Alexander. Was it Alexander? No, the. The sword guy. 00:40:00 Cristina: The sword guy. Jack: Who was being tricked? Arthur. King Arthur. Who was being tricked by Merlin. By Merlin. But the whole goal of that instance was a necromancer or not a necromancer. A person with the ability to cross between thresholds who could be controlled. Cristina: But he was all human. As far as I know. Jack: He was all human. Yes. And he was too easy to control. It became problematic. And we know that Merlin was an elation. Or is an elation. I don't know if that guy still around. But Hermes equals. I mean, not Hermes, Merlin. Equal elation. Cristina: He has to be half. Jack: He has to be half. Yes. You're Right, because how is he? And that's why he's whack. Cristina: Why is he whack? Jack: Because the more human you are. Cristina: So you think he's more than half human? Jack: No, he's the whack necromancer. Merlin is whack because. Because he is half and half. Cristina: But you have to be half and half. Jack: No, you have to be human. Cristina: Oh, but Jesus is half and half. And that he's not. Jack: Isn't half and half. Cristina: You think he's human. Okay, psychic abilities. Jack: Stories give us some details here to fill in for this thought, but I have some filler ideas. Right. For some blank areas. The stories emphasize how important Mary is, not just to the cause, but to Joseph. Joseph is a magi. A magi. And he is one of the other three who will later show up. He was her personal escort. They are Alician soldiers of some sort. Cristina: Okay, right. That's her man, though. Jack: No, that's the lie they're telling. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: But where you're getting at is where I think was maybe intentionally left out. The Bible tells us he's her man. Of course, the Bible is foolish and made up in order to suppress the truth. But the Bible tells us. So what motivation did the Bible have to tell us he was her man? Why wasn't he just her brother? She was gonna be a virgin and have a husband. Cristina: Yeah, that's weird. But weird. Jack: Could have. Any other narrative could have been spun there. Yeah, maybe. Maybe he was human and that's why he was different from the other Magi. Just like Mary was human. Because we know that child is part of Jehovah's DNA. But maybe the intention was to water it down and so it's not just Jehovah. What part of this do you need science for? Where was the experiment taking place in? Well, maybe both of them are the bad. Thus he's only one third Elysian. Cristina: Oh, crap. Okay, those make it more interesting. Jack: Interesting. So he has as much stake in this as the Elysians, but, you know, you're also just a human bro. We can get rid of you quite easily. So you're just gonna escort her? Well, you got bodyguards are gonna be watching, and they're gonna show up when it matters. You're gonna see them, and you just gotta take her over there. Where does he go when he gets. He just vanishes. The story just cuts off. We assume he left with the other Maggie, but he just. His story just ends. So what is that about? Well, his purpose was complete. He probably died off. Cristina: He died off. No, he died off. Jack: They get. They get to older age. Oh, but like, what's his. Why do we stop talking about him so heftily? It's because of this reason. He is really inconsequential, but is part of the equation, which is why he was actually present there the whole time. He's like, no, it's my Katu and I'm gonna follow this lady. Cristina: Okay. We just couldn't say, yeah, they were. Jack: The chosen ones to some degree, but it was just human. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You know, And I think that was a way of diluting some science was used in order to dilute elation DNA. Even if elation DNA is better for stones, they're not going to get rid of themselves. So they could easily run this tech, but no humans. But in order to make a necromancer, you need human. And they want one that they can control. But I don't know if they have Hermes, why they would need to. I don't get that part. But Hermes himself then trained Jesus. He's so neutral. 00:45:00 Cristina: He doesn't. He seems like part of the group, but he doesn't seem like part of their group. Jack: I think he literally isn't part of their group. I think he's just friends with Jehovah. And everybody must respect his neutrality because what are you gonna do about it? The fact that he's blessing you with his time is good enough. Cristina: But then he gets to train the guy that they offer, cuz that guy went to him. Jack: Again, neutrality doesn't matter who comes or what you want. I can do whatever. Cristina: Mm. Jack: I'll help you with limits. I don't hurt others or whatever. But what you do, but what I gave you is up to you. Cristina: Crazy. Jack: So everybody comes for something different. It's like, yes, he's really God about it, to the point that even Jesus goes to him on record. Yeah, well, Emmanuel. Emmanuel goes to him and it's like, bro, this dude moves like real omniscience. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Move through time, influence, whatever. Yeah. Oh, you said your grandfather needed what? Okay, I'll go back and I'll. Cristina: That's weird. Jack: Yeah, whatever, dude. Oh, no, I can't do that. I'm not gonna go get rid of the people. No, I can't do that. You need the. Oh, yeah, yeah, I can make the thing. Whatever you do with it, that's up to you. I don't give a crap. It's your choice. If it affects me, I'll bring him back. I don't care. Cristina: Real omniscience, okay. Jack: He moves like that, right? He has that feel if I don't care what happens, I don't care. I don't care what. I'm not doing it, but I don't care what happens. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And then he can adjust whatever in his favor. That's so impressive and everything. Again, if we look at the whack, watered down, non knowing necromancers, it's still like, d***, son. All of them except St. Patrick seem capable of controlling time. They're watered down. All of them. They're. They're whacker than Jesus. And Jesus can't mess with Hermes. That's where we are. They can control f****** time. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: It looks like maybe Santa, St. Nicholas is like real top tier op. Maybe third in line here because of how exaggerated he is. But it could just be time control that he looks like he's everywhere freezes, everything goes everywhere, takes him a long time. Then time moves forward again. Cristina: It's still really exaggerating. I don't know. It's pretty powerful stuff. Jack: Pretty powerful stuff. He also has deals with what seem to be actual fairies. Actual fairies? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Which is like, d***, how do you do that? Yeah. Cristina: Yeah. Maybe they're not fairies. Maybe they're shadow worm creatures. Jack: They could be shadow worm creatures, but they can. We don't know shadow creatures that fit those suits. But we know fairies that do. Cristina: It's just too weird. Jack: It's weird. Cristina: It doesn't make sense to anything. Jack: But again, maybe he's. He does appear to stay neutral as well. So maybe the fairies aren't siding with him. And maybe the fairies aren't trying to stop Hermes. Who are the fairies trying to stop? All the people trying to imitate Hermes. Fair people don't care about Hermes. Why? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: Doesn't seem to be f****** with them. Neutral. The people who are like, we want infinite power. They get elf slapped on top. Stop their progress, please. Cristina: Okay. Jack: But Hermes clearly already capable. They're like, whatever. Interesting. They're scared of power hungry people because if they cross out, they're coming for us. Cristina: Okay, Jesus, kill off Marilyn and Jesus. Jack: Jesus is a problem because Jesus is the one that slipped through. And although Jesus isn't aiming to hurt them, Jesus seems to be on a revenge path. Right. Is his goal the Elysians or could he easily deal with the Elysians? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: Because if they are is infinitely trying to get stronger. And they're infinitely trying to get stronger. So he must again try to get stronger. So they must again try to get stronger. And now it's gotten to the point that they reach the Elfame just trying to get stronger than each other. And then they're just consuming everything around them in a war between each other. And that's the fear. That's why it didn't look like anybody was after anybody specific and that the Elfame was just fight. Who are we scared of? And it's like this guy or that guy or what? No, both. Cristina: Both. Jack: But it's not about them going after you. They don't care about you. They're. They're Borg. They're infinitely power hungry the way humans are. Okay, we want more. But it's about getting rid of each other. Cristina: It could be that very. It feels very Dragon Ball Z. Jack: Like just like always. Upscale. Cristina: Stronger. Yeah. Jack: And it doesn't stop. We've gone out of the realm. Man. I remember the ah, memories. What the good old days when we just thought creatures here, creatures there. Maybe some aliens, maybe an alien or two local 00:50:00 Jack: that can't, you know, lives in space between planets. Because why would it try? How would it travel from super far? They couldn't. It's just a biological something living in space to finding out no crap could travel. And here's the science behind it. Stars away, stars across, galaxies across. Until getting to the point of like nah. There's entire clusters of stars completely captured. Because escaping the entire universe is totally possible. And there's multiple of these things. And here's some science behind it to dimensions and realms. It's like I remember the good old days back then when it was so simple. Now. Now we have interdimensional multi realm existing different creatures of different magnitudes of development tied in infinite ways with each other and in different ways. All scientific. Cristina: They're trying to get up there, up somewhere there. Jack: So complicated. So, so complicated. It's ridiculous. It is good old days of just hey, vampires and zombies. You remember comparing vampires and zombies and they both need blood. Which it totally should have filled us in on so much. Totally should have. Because we erased it slowly from zombies to say that they were after blood. But zombies were after blood at the beginning of the invention of talking about zombies. But maybe the creators of zombies thought oh this too on the nose. It's too close. So I'm just gonna connect the dots. And so we slowly phased out zombies going for blood. And then they just became science zombies. The way like oh, vile. We're trying to cure cancer. But. But it was always science. Cristina: It was always science. Jack: Adrenochrome. Oh the science in a different way. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: We they try to block us off of certain paths of science so that we don't get informed on those things like realms and crap like that. That must use biological and physically tangible science applications in order to to interact with. But the laws were taught to build upon exclude the factors that would lead us in those directions so that only those who know about them can know about them. Esoteric knowledge everywhere. You know, it's funny, that reminds me that Wet Judges was the same story as zombies. We had. We were just going through different creatures and we found out that this creature existed and that it was the. The result of something unknown. But this is what the creature behaves like. And it's not a shadow Realm. Creatures opposite to a win dingo. But they both turned out shadow room creatures. But there was some difference between them that we were like one comes from this and the other one kind of sorta. Eventually we discovered wolves. And both of these things shared a lot of characteristics. And that episode involved the connection of well, this is how a wolf biologically becomes. And this is how wolf biologically becomes that one. I believe the Wet Judge is the feral shadow realm version of a wolf. And the Windingo is the in control shadow realm version of a wolf. And both of those we found in isolation separate because we were just doing episodes about creatures. Cristina: But what do they have to do with the Shadow Realm? Jack: Adrenochrome. And they're both shadow realm creatures. Cristina: Okay. But they're based off of wolves and the wolves are from here, not from the shadow Realm. Jack: Exactly. Were wolf. Well, wolf can wolf takes adrenochrome the stages of a wolf as they would break apart. A wolf can sue. Let's take one of these 1950, 1940. Like six werewolves from the battlefield. Battlefield night people hiding. It sneaks up in the shadows and starts eating and drinking some of the blood. Because it's dies or. No, no, let me get there. It's gonna turn into. In consuming so much of it. A werewolf. Cristina: Mm. Jack: The werewolf is just the in control version of the wolf. Now two wolves came. They were talking about two separate wolves from the same pack. They came. They ate the same body. During the werewolves, both of them became werewolves. One of them was smart enough to consider coming back and the other one was a little cower. And as soon as it heard people ran away so they didn't consume the next day. This happens repeatedly. And the second wolf doesn't come back. The first werewolf stays a werewolf. The second werewolf now becomes a lichen. 00:55:00 Jack: It goes feral. It's just a Savage now. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It even forgets how to get back to it. It's just now a monster. Cristina: Okay. Jack: But they're more or less fizzled off Earth Realm. Cristina: Yes. Okay. Jack: Yes. And they all fizz. They physically look very similar, except a werewolf looks like a humanoid. It looks very similar than the werewolf is very gray, furred, wise and less crazy, I guess. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And the lichen is black fur and slimmer, while the werewolf looks bulkier. The lichen is thinned out and like up looking. It's like a really thinned out werewolf that's all black. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Now if the werewolf dies a werewolf, it becomes a wet judge. Cristina: Okay. And if the lichen dies, it becomes the other thing. Jack: And if lichen dies, it becomes a wendingo. Cristina: And those creatures are Shadow Realm creatures. Jack: And those creatures are Shadow Realm creatures. Cristina: Or they're ghost versions. Jack: Yeah, yeah. A lot of Shadow Realm creatures are ghost versions of earthrealm creatures because there's an inherent tie between them. Cristina: A little weird, because the Shadow realm is the original realm and we are. Jack: A pocket realm within it. Cristina: Yeah. But when we die, we go back to the original realm. Jack: Well, this is supported by all sciences, all religions and all philosophies that the. This association from the self unites us to the all. Another way of thinking about it is the texts that make it sound like it's a simulation. If the barriers are built around a certain type of code and you extract that code, then whatever code is left could exit the equation. Cristina: Okay, and then we just go back to the shadow realm. Jack: We can just be part of the shadow realm. So it's possible. Weird thought that everything within earthrealm is already a creature that might exist within the shadow realm, and we are just programmed with the external shell that we then think is ourselves. Cristina: What do you mean? Jack: Like my body isn't my body? Maybe I was always a gin, but because I'm born over here, the body feels like a body. But then it's weird beating our campy because creatures from the shadow realm coming over here to kidnap children and stuff, but to live. But they don't. They don't become suddenly physical unless they go through a procedure. Yes, and I don't understand what the procedure necessarily is because there's no specifics on it. Yeah, we know that they need a model, which is why they kidnap kids. They need an example of who they're going to become and that person is going to stay alive. They don't kill that person. Cristina: They don't. Jack: Well, somehow still existed when Lucifer became physical. Cristina: Yes, but did he transform also? Jack: Then Samuel got turned into Alfamer. Cristina: Is that what happened? Jack: No, he got turned to a Naga, I think, right? Cristina: Yeah, I think so. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: This story is twisted and weird. Jack: Yeah, that's a weird. Someone else been through the ringer. It's a weirdo. But this isn't a couple of places. Because if you think of Glycon from the Greek, he also was just a Greek dude who became a Naga. Cristina: That doesn't make sense. With the help of Keto. Because Nagas are fairies. So these are people becoming fairies. Jack: These are people. Well, people becoming Shadow worm creatures and Shadow Realm creatures becoming Earth Realmers are still weird. Cristina: That's weird. But it's less weird. They're becoming fairies. Jack: Well, presumably the Shadow Realm is a pocket within Alfame. The best way to think about it is if Elfame is Earth Realm, then the Shadow Realm is the Internet. And EarthRealm is like Facebook. Each one is inside the other in a smaller, more constricted way. But it's still the one thing. Like it's still Facebook exists within Earth. Cristina: A video character becoming human. Jack: Yes. So, okay, I guess the. The most logical way to make the next step remove would be to say we have humanoid robots that don't have any AI. They exist everywhere. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And the Facebook AI decides it's going to figure out how to enter one of our robots and navigate earthrealm. That would be the leap that Jesus born in earthrealm does 01:00:00 Jack: to get to Alfame. He is the Facebook AI. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Getting into one of our robots and now existing as a Earth Realm being. Cristina: What does it mean when one of us becomes a Naga? Jack: That would be the equivalent. Cristina: It's still in there. Jack: Yes. So there must be some form of code that creatures from the top have. Like MAB logging in. Cristina: Oh, NPCs. No, not NPCs. Main characters. Jack: Main characters. Yes. They acquire main character abilities. Yes, that's what it really means. Which is a good example in being Hermes. Main character abilities. Cristina: Okay, so if you can do become a Necromancer or become a Naga, you're doing the same thing. Yes, sort of. Jack: The difference is they're trying to make Nagas of existing individuals that they know are already loyal. They don't want one born. They're trying to make one out of people they know are already loyal to them. So there's some half baked kind of approach there. Cristina: And they. I don't think they have the same abilities as Nagas. Jack: No. It doesn't seem like they have the tip top. The closest person who got To. That was the first one we know about, which is the oldest, which is Yaldabaoth and his. Not his artificial Naga, which I guess everybody else is. An artificial Naga that we're talking about. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: But it looks like his was literally created from nothing. It wasn't based on anybody. Which is also why that one's overpowered. Cristina: That doesn't make sense. That does it. I don't know. Jack: Osteomorphus. That was the name of that serpent. Osteomorphous. Cristina: Came from nothing. Jack: He came from nothing. He was raw, created. So he must be more pure than doing it on a creature that was already a different creature. But they'll be loyal because they're part. They're in on it. It's their hard work, too, versus this. No, you were made exclusively for this purpose. You could turn on me and it might have. We know it had its own intentions. It might have done whatever, but that's the risk. A different variation on that is Jesus. It might go rogue. Except it went rogue and they did. Where they. How do they control it? Cristina: I don't know. But how do you do that? What? You said he just made one. Jack: Made one? What? Cristina: Made a Naga? Jack: Oh, I don't know, but it would be like, how did we invent a robot from nothing? Like, it's just. It's that he just made science. Figure it out. Cristina: Okay. I don't know. Jack: But the leap Jesus made is pretty impressive, especially if we. If we listen. If we listen, Deacon, listen. If we take the texts that make it sound like a simulation at face value and say, oh, yeah, that's definitely the true one. Jesus made it out of the simulation and into an Alfame robot. That's basically what we'd be saying. Yeah, he jumped to the middle stage. Or went through it. We know he went through it. Literally. He could enter the wider Internet. Cristina: But he's not the only one. Jack: No, he's not the only one. Because whatever quote AI unquote Hermes is can easily just walk out. And he was just Earthreal. So he is another Facebook AI. He's the original Facebook AI that managed to just get into a robot in her throne. Cristina: That's weird, but yes. But then I still don't understand, because Nagas are. Jack: I think Nagas are an attempt to do a biological cheat sheet for Hermes, because you can either study and get it. That's a. The filter is crazy. Phew. It's so hard. So few people have figured it out. Immense power. Even people who didn't figure it out. Alexander the Great There you go. Even people who didn't get it, what they did get, made them monstrously overpowered, but with limitations. The idea of a Naga bypass the limitations instantaneously. Shortcuts. It's all shortcuts. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Because the right way to do it would be learned hermetic principles. Follow the laws that Hermes lays out. Understand his lessons. He says it, it's the only way. And the proof kind of stands on it. The fact that nobody else figures it out. Cristina: Yeah, he figured it out. Jack: He did. Cristina: And nothing is like gonna figure it out after him though. Is Jesus really it? Jack: Well, we don't know. Merlin came after Jesus. Cristina: That's true. Just forget he's the most recent. Jack: Yeah, he's the most recent. He was whack, but he was the most recent. Then again he was way overpowered. Still time bending. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Even if he was defeated, it's still pretty crazy. Jack: I guess so. Well, yeah, he was tricked, but he was tricked by a fairy. He was killed off by a fairy. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Like you know. The question is, could Hermes know her? Is the problem is also Hermes has no goal. Think about how interesting this is. It doesn't look like. No, but St. Patrick's was associated. Even if he was human. Cristina: What do they mean? Jack: He was still associated with the Elysians. They called on him for help. Cristina: I don't know. Because of him and Santa makes it seem like the religion is behind is part of them or they made the Catholic Church. Right. Jack: The Catholic Church was made by the Elysians, but the Catholic Church employs humans. Cristina: Yeah, but to keep the Elysians secret. Jack: Yeah. The whole point is to keep the Elysian secret and to make Jesus just seem like he's unrelated to the Elysians. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Yeah. And it looks like, you know, they're neutral. And maybe they were priests who were like, we're gonna put. We're gonna send you on a quest. We're gonna send priests. Maybe that's the point of priests. Raising some priests regularly to a school out in Greece where they're gonna come across a series of tests and tasks at the School of L. If they pass enough of them, you're going to get into a special class and you're going to take it and you're hopefully going to pass that class. That class is all that matters. Everything you're going to do for the next 20 years of your life is pure training to try to pass one class. That's it. Good luck. And then, you know, just kept sending people, kept sending people, kept sending people and one guy, St. Patrick, makes it through and meets Hermes and takes classes with him and, and St. Nicholas makes it through and gets there. But how many hundreds of other priests went there and like tried and they could, didn't even know what they were there for other than I told I was going to do this my whole life. And I'm not going to get married, I'm not going to have children, and I'm going to go back and go, you know, I dedicated my life to them. I'm gonna go lead a church and I'm gonna be great. I'm gonna have it said and made. But I don't know what the beginning of that path was. And only few of them, and they disappear forever. Now it's the, the St. Patrick's of the world. It was like, no, I'm an OG. I got the abilities that they want. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And so those are in house necromancers. Hermes is neutral party if they can, if they. Anybody who can get my teachings can get my teachings. Cristina: So you think he was training? Jack: He was at Lesium as written by Aristotle. Cristina: In his notes, they say for how long? Jack: Unclear, but he was at Lesium, so that's fact number one. The specific lines were that he was waiting for the special students. And Aristotle's take on that is that his students were the elite students, the students that had taken all their other classes, the students that have aced everything else. And it's a school of philosophy. What the f*** does it mean to ace that? It means to understand everything there. Cristina: Which makes sense for what you need for Hermes. Jack: You got to enter equipped in every aspect of everything. And so you get to his class. Most people didn't make it. And I don't know how he would evaluate them, but he must have been looking at the notes of the other teachers there and been like, I want that student on that guy. He seems to be doing good every class specifically in these topics, which means he understands the nuance I'm looking for. Maybe all the other teachers were just cover. Cristina: For the real goal. Jack: For the real goal. Everything is designed as an intricate filter. And it's, it's a tournament. There's one winner. Of course, there's more multiple winners. But in this case, you know, to picture it better, it's tournament style. The guy who makes it to the championship past all the tests, but you still got to eliminate, eliminate, eliminate. And so you can't have a huge class of thousands of people. You got to be very restrictive. And maybe not. Maybe anybody who can make it can make it. Except people don't make it because it's really hard to get. Cristina: Mm. That's really hard. Jack: It's really abstract. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Really abstract. But it all makes perfect sense is the problem. So you gotta be able to understand really abstract thoughts in order to then bend reality with your mind the way that Hermes suggest can happen. And that we've found this proof through Naga and other necromancers and the people who cheat and manage to get a stone and aren't necromancers because that's so op. Cristina: Yeah. But he's the reason that there are stones. Jack: Yes. He invented them. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Yep. He is so good at being secretive. Hermes. He's so good at being secretive and so good at making things that we didn't know that both parts of the craft 01:10:00 Jack: were literally him. We found the first part and we're like, he made the thing like somebody else made the other part and improved on it. No, it was also him. It's just. It's hard to connect any part of things that have to do with him because everything exists in isolation. Because he's so good at just disappearing off of that side of the planet and popping up over here and doing a bunch of crap over here and stays over here for a thousand years and disappears over here. And he's over there now. No given. Doesn't seem to care about the passage of time. Doesn't seem to care about what side anybody's on. Does no barriers exist. I'm in this room. I'm in that room. Whatever. Cristina: That's what he does. Jack: Very godlike. He reminds me a Q from Star Trek. Cristina: Probably less of a troll than him, though. Jack: We have no idea. We have no, no idea. Not a clue what his personality is like. Not a clue. We know some people had character to them. Some of the Elysians were like, you know, you can imagine them. The guy who's just whoring around banging humans. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You're probably a chill dude. Bro. Cristina: Know. Jack: You know, he's just a dude. He's out there just linging, slinging his come everywhere he goes. Cristina: We don't know anything about Hermes. Jack: Who the h*** does? Cristina: I thought he's a weirdo or not weirdo. He's just secretive. Jack: He's private. Cristina: Private. Jack: We got stories from Santa. We got stories from Patrick. We got Jehovah stories. He seemed to be pretty chill, but kind of stern dude. Lucifer seems kind of more worrisome. He's these would, you know, panicky Lilith has a bit of attitude to what she does. Everybody has characteristics based on everything we found. And then Hermes is like, I don't know about you, dude. I don't know if you're, like, serious jokey. If you're like, you know, expressions. He's robed. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Every description of him, robes. Nobody sees this face. Even his homies have no idea if he's smiling or not. He's talking to a robe all the time. Cristina: That's kind of crazy. It's pretty crazy. We don't know anything weird. There could be more than one. Jack: There could totally be more than one. But also, he can bend time. What the. Cristina: Like, why do you need more than one? Jack: Why do you need more? He's everywhere. He's everywhere. He's all over the place. Everybody's Hermes at one point. It's like, no, it's the same dude. We thought it was multiple people. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And then it's like, no, it's the same guy. What? How? How, How, How? In fact, we thought it was so multiple people because Loi is the title and Hermes exists. And we're like, that's probably the title, too. And he existed back then, and they knew each other. Weird. So different people. And then we're like, nope, it turns out same guy. It's like, how the f*** does this work out? We still haven't even proven that about Loi. Cristina: I don't think he's. I mean, I think he is more than one guy. Jack: Loi feels like a title. And the way they describe the giant ship shifts in behavior. Feels like different people. Feels like a title within the family or a job position or political role or something. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Hermes is literally the guy's name. He'll go by a different name. And then tell them, I'm Hermes. They gave me this name over here. But Hermes is from actual name. Cristina: Weird. Yeah. Jack: And he'll write it. He'll be like, I'm Hermes. Cristina: He writes it, I'm Hermes. Jack: I'm Hermes. And then he made the emerald. He made this, everybody. No, Hermes. Geras Magista's made this. Don't happen. How? How do you do this in Europe? And then at the same time, he made that in Afghanistan, bro. Let's have a real conversation. Cristina: Because time travel. Jack: Because time travel. Cristina: And because there's nothing really. Jack: Instantaneous teleportation. Cristina: Exactly. Jack: And, like, it doesn't matter. Cristina: Solution to any problem is time travel. For Hermes 100. Jack: That explains ever once that's. It's like, yeah, you could bend time. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: So you're just hanging out back there, like the day you chilled with that guy's grandson millions of years later. Cristina: Mm. Jack: To you it was minutes apart. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: You just skadoodled across and it's a. It's seamless. If we were watching you from a movies perspective, you're like, all right, Jehovah, I'll let him know. You take two steps, we zoom in on you. You take two steps, none of the scenery changes. And now you're standing in front of Loi. Hey. Your grandson said this. And when we zoom out, we see Eloi, but not Jehovah. That's how seamless it would be to him. Cristina: That's pretty crazy. Jack: He didn't think about it just there. Cristina: That's totally how it could work. I don't know. Jack: And from the point of view of both of these individuals, he never left. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Because he can pop into the same fraction of a second he left that with Jehovah and walk right into that same moment and be like, your grandfather said this. And from your point of view to my. I'm right now, I'm Hermes. And right now you're Jehovah. And you tell me you need to tell my grandfather to add this, this, and that to 01:15:00 Jack: the equation starting on this next sentence. I'm Hermes. Okay. All right, Jehovah, I'm gonna go tell your grandfather right now what to do. Listen, Loi, it's very important that you add these couple of parts. Now. Loi tells him whatever it's like. Okay. I'm gonna make sure your grandson knows this. Jehovah. Listen, he said that, that one sentence, he's gonna talk to two people across time. And to him it's gonna feel consistent and linear to them. Not a moment past the moment you said links. Cristina: And then he sees a different person. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And time has stopped over there. Cuz not really. He's just in the past and he's gonna go back to that same moment. Cristina: Okay. Okay. That's crazy. That's his ability though. Jack: Does his ability though super overpowered. And he can do that at any point in time, at any place in time? That's God. Cristina: That's ridiculous. Yes. That's good. I don't think there's anything above that. Jack: I don't think there's anything above that. Minus whatever exists in Alpha that we have no reference point for. Yes, but the realms we are aware of. Even elves don't touch this. Nagas don't touch this. Cristina: As far as we can tell. Jack: Yeah. It would have to be the theory of the simulation. And it would have to be that MAB is a programmer and only then, because then she'd have the ability to like deprogram the robot, shut off the Internet, whatever. Cristina: But she can't. So it's not that. Jack: Or she should. We don't know if she can. Maybe she is just one of the programmers at the big company. The company really owns the Internet. She just knows how to work. She's the best worker, knows how to do it. Okay, but she can shut it off and ruin the project and save the world if it got that bad. Stop things from getting out and just destroy the robot that they got into. Whatever. Try not to. Expensive project maybe. Whatever that might mean in that realm. Cristina: Yeah, you know. Jack: Anyways, that's the road that took us to where we are. It's just all random pieces, man. Cristina: But it makes somewhat sense. Jack: It is composed. It makes perfect sense. It is a rational, reasonable, thought out kind of. Our job is to ground things like we said. Cristina: And we did it. Jack: Yeah, we've been doing it like you said. We've been doing it the entire time we've been grounding things. And those are all examples of how we've grounded things. And we added some groundings to thumbs things in. Just by talking about grounding things, we just grounded some more things. Yes, that's how we do now. The problem with explaining to the listeners that we do ground things and giving them examples is that it took an hour to do so. So we never got to get to the notes. Okay, so next time we're definitely going to get to the notes. But this time at least we grounded some things. Cristina: Which is the point. Jack: Which is the point. The job got done. Cristina: The job got that. Jack: The job got done. Cristina: It always gets done. Jack: It always gets done. And if anybody came here from last week looking to hear the episode that was planned, you're gonna have to come next week to find out what that was. But we'll totally get to it next week. We're talking anyways, if you guys think that you have noticed in our current grounding of things. But no, about the Elysians and all that stuff. Anything that you think we. We didn't. A detail that checks out. Maybe we touched on it enough that you were like, oh, that made me think about that. Let us know. Send us your input, your ideas. Anyone who just jumped in is like struggling to comprehend the mess of we just talking about. I realized that the other day. I was thinking about like, what if you jump in and you don't go back? Cristina: That's good. Then we summarize everything. Jack: Yeah, but like, what the h*** is an elation. And what is the shadow mentioned? Cristina: All of that. Jack: No, I know we didn't clarify much of it. It was a lot of like. But then again, if they start here and they hear the next episode and then the next episode, you'll figure it out. It'll start to make sense. It doesn't matter where you start. Just enough. Yeah, about it. Anyways. Tell us what you think. Tell us what you know. You could do that on our socials at just Convopod, on Instagram, on Exxon, Facebook, on TikTok, Tick tock, anywhere. Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show. Jack: Yes. And word of mouth. Tell everybody that we exist and that we're out here doing the Lord's work and grounding things. Bringing angels to the ground the way the Lord did. Cristina: We are the groundhogs. Jack: No, we are the groundhog. 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May 04, 2024

Rambling 272: Where To Go From Here

May 04, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

What is the ultimate goal of the Necromancers, of the Research Groups and their Experiments? What is the purpose of their actions? Who is the good guy and the bad guy in the story? The duo take a different approach to the Data relative to the Elysians, Necromancers, everything surrounding them and more in an attempt to find a cohesive direction to go. In this episode, the duo attempt to zero in on what they should be looking for!

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Topics Discussed:

Philosopher Stones
The Teachings of Hermes
Elysians (Atlanteans)
The Three Realms
Creating New Realms
Becoming A God
The Universal Arrow

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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Tristina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today as we have gone on an infinite spiral of unpacking, I don't even know what the context of what we're talking about is. For anybody who's followed along this psychotic road. You know what I mean? Anybody who just stumbled into this episode. Good for you. This is both a ending and. Or beginning.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Because there was too much. I successfully found absolutely too much information. And I sat and I thought about it. I even told you that what we're gonna be talking about, it's gonna be really open ended. But then I had more time to think about it and I'm like, this is absolutely too structured. It's. I don't know where we're going. And because we don't know where we're going, we follow random threads and we go random places. So there's no focus. So today I want us to end that. That stops here. And we're gonna either stop talking about whatever the f*** this is or we're gonna focus and try to actually understand what the h*** it is that we're trying to find. Because.

Cristina: Specifically related to the necromancer or all of it.

Jack: Oh, exactly, Exactly. About Jesus. Or is he a part. Because right now it looks like he's.

Cristina: A part like him too. Like everything. All the.

Jack: What does it all have to do.

Cristina: With all of it?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: So this is the conclusion.

Jack: Not. Not even the conclusion. This is. This is us trying to understand at a deeper level and trying to process it in a meaningful way that gives us a direction to go in because it is kind of aimless. We started at a unicorn and ended up at Jesus Christ and the Matrix. Come on, man. Like, yeah, it's. Come on. Where, where, where are we headed? We know something is weird because there's always this air of a lot of people go missing, important, powerful, colossal level God tier things just poof out of existence at random moments. We don't have any answers for that. No information. It's all theory, speculative at best and has almost no evidence or any. Anything. We're talking. Where is Eloi? No mention of him ever dying. We have no mention of Yaldabaoth ever dying. The closest thing we got to Jesus dying is him under a different name. But we don't even know who's Jesus at any given moment or who's just some imitation or what the h*** is going on with that. A lot of people disappear. We know that they all disappear. There's a lot of people who know how to. We know of it. Looked at the beginning like getting to the Shadow Realm was a difficult thing. But as you look more. It's mainly within secret societies. A lot of people know how to do it. A lot of people know how to get there, especially the Vikings. They had an entire force dedicated to murdering s*** and being able to rip portals open and cross through. Like, get the h*** out of here. Like, that's fire, dude.

Cristina: That's the. That's disturbing. But okay, yeah, they were the ones drinking blood.

Jack: Yeah. And they were the ones hearing the voices and entering sacred lands just by. It was like, okay, great, fantastic. So that's not as secretive and crazy as we think. Everybody's doing it.

Cristina: Yes. Because the Shadow Realm creatures have a difficult time getting here. But once we open a portal over there, it's super easy for them to come through.

Jack: And portals are many different things. We consider portals. Oh, there's a round little gate. But that doesn't make sense. That's our visualization of a doorway.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Really, a portal is some sort of frequency, as far as we know. And if you had two radio stations that were very close frequency, you could kind of hear one on the other. And if you slowly turned it to the station right in between, you'll hear them both overlap. Like you hear one and the other simultaneously. You can say earthrealm is one station. Two stations away is the Shadow Realm. And that middle station where you get kind of both of them is the tunnel you use to connect the two points.

Cristina: The tunnel is the fairy.

Jack: No, the tunnel. I guess for a necromancer, yes. But in the case of, like a normal person, we're just talking that the doorway we imagine is incorrect. The better way to think about it is this frequency where really you're tuning in. You're kind of phasing from one side to the other. A doorway isn't a hole was ripped and a creature came through. No, it's a weird, other complicated feature that I can't. I actually don't know the. The mechanics behind it of how we end up with a lot of fear concentrated in one spot. And then we get the manifestation of creatures native to the Shadow Realm that I don't get. But that seems to be how it works.

Cristina: How exactly?

Jack: What is it that the more fear, the More kind of they phase. They're phasing from their. Out of their place into this place. Because it's sort of relatively the same, kind of complicated.

Cristina: Because it feels like a situation where it's like you hear about the story about like the Boogeyman and then like if you say his name three times. But like, if that's true, how like kind of like what came first.

Jack: You're talking about Candyman. You're talking about all these like sort of Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice or Mary in the freaking Mirror or whatever.

Cristina: Like people are able to do this. Did they do it first accidentally and then these creatures came through, or did they know about these creatures?

Jack: Why have you never said this before? This is a really good point. This is a really good point. There's a. Even casually, we have gateways. Dude, we never thought about this, but literally seances. And when you think about Ouija boards, even if the board itself is doing nothing, you get a bunch of people who think something might happen.

Cristina: And enough of them idea into their heads that something might happen. Where does that.

Jack: I think it happened naturally. Obviously. Creature gets scared. See, the thing. It. It probably. We were probably even more close together before humans came to be. Humans might be the only ones not in. If we go into nature where the monsters and the demons exist, maybe that's a little more accurate than we think.

Jack: Because you look at the idea of these locations, it's where. Where the humans aren't. Because animals will feel fear on a more normal basis. They're not rationalizing it away. They're not sitting at home like, oh, no. That's obviously just the. You know, there's no. There's no rationalization to it. They're not thinking about the other whatever the f*** they're like, oh, no, the monsters coming. Because that's what it's like in nature. It's like, it's gonna kill me because I don't know what it is. Let me be in panic. Fear automatically happens, and then it just generates some other thing that could eat you. Okay, so it's whatever. It's just nature. We then rationalizing it kind of mentally created the distinction between this barrier and that barrier. Holy f***. That's literally what Hermes is talking about.

Cristina: Oh, no. What?

Jack: Holy s***.

Cristina: Wait.

Jack: No, that's literally it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there is no barrier.

Cristina: We made it up.

Jack: It's mental. It's somehow psychological. And we physically implemented it. Because again, I think about what I just said. Think about what I just said. It's absolutely natural and normal. For a creature, nature to feel fear, that is part of nature, it keeps you alive. And in doing so, you'd bring in another creature, probably the creature that preys on the creature you were scared of initially. Thus the cycle of life. And then humans come into the picture. We start thinking really hard, where do humans come from? Yaldabaoth was thinking really hard. And somehow that leads to starting to make a distinction. He thought so hard a distinction happened. And so we then within the said distinction, instinctively always make distinctions. But within nature there's no difference. Did Yaldabaoth make this realm or was this somehow always here? And thought makes us think of one coming first and the other one second.

Cristina: Possibly.

Jack: If it's all always existing, then there was no beginning to it. One didn't make the other. They are always one piece, which is literally what it says. They're sort of the same program. It's. He didn't make earthrealm. Earthrealm is a bubble with walls built inside of the shadow realm.

Cristina: It.

Jack: We are just a shadow realm.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We're what you call. If you decided, f***, California. That's a mess. We're gonna wall them off. That's exactly all it took. And then boom, they called it Earth Realm. Here we are.

Cristina: And that's. But Earth. But the things on Earth did that. Not Yaldeville, I guess.

Jack: Yes, right.

Cristina: But then it's.

Jack: It's a combination of both somehow, is the argument here. He somehow was the catalyst to a state of thought that made us literally wall off something that, in other words, we might be able to just perceive.

Cristina: Now we have to be tricked into letting these things in.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: When they should be able to, but they can't because our walls in our mind or whatever the walls are creating.

Jack: And then there's the individuals who know how to simply dissolve those and bend reality, which isn't bending reality is how reality was meant to work. Yes, but we don't. We limited ourselves so heavily. Well, that makes a lot of f****** sense. Suddenly. I guess not following the line was way more useful because it allows us to just really unpack. There's so much to unpack.

Cristina: Yes, there is.

Jack: And this makes a lot of sense, I think.

Cristina: I don't know. It's fairly random. But we got something.

Jack: Yeah, this definitely feels like something, but it feels like something we wouldn't be able to research.

Cristina: No, I don't think so.

Jack: It feels like something we can't follow, but makes sense based on the conclusions.

Cristina: But we know Hermes talked about it like it's there. It Was always there.

Jack: Yes. We just didn't understand it incessantly. Talked about all the time, forever. It was. He literally. His teaching.

Cristina: He was telling us.

Jack: And he broke the same teaching up into three different methods. And he taught it three different ways to three different kinds of students based on the ability they had and the information they had. He was very, very determined. This is how it works.

Cristina: Maybe he'd be proud of us.

Jack: He would be proud of us.

Cristina: But.

Jack: Okay, okay, let's follow this thought. Let's be logical adults here and say we are going to. We did discover it. Okay, Point number one accomplished. We get it. I get how it actually makes sense that it didn't exist. There is no shadow realm. There is no Earth realm. There's cohesive thing. And chances are that's probably how it works based on what we're seeing with Elfim as well. So there's no differentiation.

Cristina: There is no. There has to be. I forget because, like, you have to kill the fairy to whatever. I don't understand.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know.

Cristina: Never mind.

Jack: We don't have any. No, it doesn't make any sense. I don't know. It breaks down pretty hard. It kind of works like science does. Like, if you go far enough, it just falls apart.

Cristina: Yes. We have pieces there. It makes sense, but it doesn't make sense because there are actual barriers. So then did he make them? He was the one that made them.

Jack: No, because the way he describes it, a name that translates to our understanding as physical beings in our language, as a forest. That's not something he by description made. That's something that by description happened when.

Cristina: He murdered that fairy.

Jack: Yeah. It wasn't like, here are walls. The theory is he then took advantage and built around it. But what the f*** does that mean?

Cristina: What does that mean? But yes, he definitely did. He definitely did. I don't know how, but he did. We know he did. He saw beings in this new space. That's still that space, but somehow different. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know either, man. There's some. Something weird there. And also, what the h*** is wrong with Loi, dude? Why, like, what do we. First, we're not even sure if his. Because, like, the title is Loi. I'm getting that. It's either a last name or a title. We're unclear. But, like, he didn't have a lot if his last name was Loi. Did not. Or he didn't. Like, he invented last names. What the is happening? And that's why we know him. He invented last names, and he's famous for that, but I got lost. We just know Loi.

Cristina: No, I don't think so.

Jack: So, yeah, he had a name, and it wasn't Eloi.

Cristina: No. Wait, why wasn't it?

Jack: Because. Why would he not. But didn't. What the f. If he was the first? I mean, he wasn't.

Cristina: He wasn't. Who was the first?

Jack: Many. There were many. He's one of them.

Cristina: Crap. Okay.

Jack: He's just one of them.

Cristina: Oh, he was lying in the first one.

Jack: No, he was a guy. He would have had to been born like anybody else. Oh, so it's slow progression. There were many.

Cristina: Okay. I don't know.

Jack: So it's weird.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: He's not the first. He has a first name. Or is that his first name? And we follow that last name. And the like people aren't link, but they'll go by that name because they are assuming the role.

Cristina: Well, then who is the hero of time?

Jack: Well, the one we call Loi was the first. He did have a name. And we don't know if Eloi was his first or last name or a title awarded to him, but whatever he. That's what survived.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And that's how we refer to him. The question is, was that the last name? Was that the title? And if it is, what was his first name? And Yahweh was his son.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Jehovah was his grandson. Son of Yahweh, all with Eloi in the back or all part of something. And they're not related.

Cristina: They could probably not be related because of the time zones.

Jack: I think, additionally, it leans more into being a title than a last name when you consider the fact that Jehovah did not have the stones, but Loi did. And when we find the stones again, Jesus is acquiring them from the Shadow Realm. So we still don't know why Eloi doesn't give them to Yahweh and Yahweh doesn't give them to Jehovah. We just know Eloi has two of them. And then we go, we come back to Jehovah looking for all three of them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then we don't know anything about Yahweh. Who should have had them.

Cristina: Yes. Why? But yeah, they can't be related because, like, why didn't they just pass down?

Jack: Why didn't get passed down? Why did it immediately get lost? Or did it get passed down and where they know enough about Yahweh and he lost it somehow.

Cristina: It would have to have been Stolen. It can't be lost.

Jack: If that did happen.

Cristina: Crazy thing to be losing, like, if.

Jack: He did have it. Yeah. It got stolen.

Cristina: I would think so. Like, there's no way that. I mean. Oh, no, no.

Jack: Not with what it is. Not what it is. It might be the most important thing ever.

Cristina: That's too random. But then again, like, the way Jesus. No. Yeah, but he stole it too. And he did it easily.

Jack: Easily. It took him a day, maybe.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Maybe less, maybe.

Cristina: I don't know. His story was epic, though, of getting those songs. Yeah.

Jack: He's also kind of exceptional, like, I think.

Cristina: But I don't know what happened to those original ones.

Jack: And then he also has the ability to be necromancer. Come on, Manny. There's something wrong with this guy. He has to be the most op. Even Hermes has to be shook by Jesus. If Jesus could do what Hermes can, what can't Jesus do?

Cristina: I don't know, because he's probably not even here anymore.

Jack: And we keep calling him Jesus because we're Westerners, but really we're just talking about some kid named Emmanuel.

Cristina: Well, he changes his name also.

Jack: Jesus was one of them. Exactly. We just know he was really, actually literally born the first instant mentioned and seems to be the most repeated name that echoes through other cultures is Emmanuel. That seems to be the most consistent. Emmanuel is what his name was. So some dude named Emmanuel was just a f****** savage?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And, like, could do whatever, whenever, however, wasn't even doing bad with it. He was just telling people, like, you.

Cristina: Could do it too.

Jack: I don't give a crap. Nothing matters because you're God. You, like, you calling yourself God isn't cheating if you can do whatever the f*** you like. I get that. It's not literally I was born from a star or some crazy s*** like that, but what the f*** would be the difference at that point?

Cristina: Well, Hermes is as powerful. Like, how are you choosing?

Jack: I don't know if Hermes is as powerful. That is a problem, I would guess.

Cristina: Because of how powerful Santa Claus is.

Jack: Yes. But let's assume Jesus, who has three stones, maybe four, and Jesus, who not only has all those stones, who he had. He could just make a stone. He needed these op. Specialized stones.

Cristina: To do what?

Jack: I don't know. But he has them. And it was effortless to get them. Whoever had them is dead, presumably because what.

Cristina: Or.

Jack: Or even within the shadow realm, his abilities are so savage that he can just pop in, pop out, and you don't even know it's gone. I Don't know the caliber at which he went. And the same f******. They got it.

Cristina: Well, we don't know if it was a day.

Jack: Literally says three days.

Cristina: Oh, that's so dumb. That's so dumb. But that's part of storytelling. That doesn't mean that it actually happened three days.

Jack: It says everywhere on earth that has ever reported about this one guy vanishing. It says everywhere. They were all impressed. It took three days. So either he's OP as f****** s*** and there's no comprehension for just you walking down a hallway of Nothing but demons 30 times your size and you're just John Wick your way straight through that hallway. Effortless. They don't even touch you. They couldn't touch you if they wanted to. You just make it to the side unscathed.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or there was f****** nobody guarding that b****. And it's like you just happen to know. Exactly. Exactly. The only option here is he's more powerful than whatever the stole them the first time, which successfully took them from arguably.

Cristina: How did he know? Like, how could it be that fast? Like, even. How could he know?

Jack: I think he does have telepathic and psychic powers and a bunch of crazy. I think it's so old he just.

Cristina: Knew where they were.

Jack: I think he's.

Cristina: Because he's just new.

Jack: Or maybe he just didn't. I mean, Santa does.

Cristina: I know he knows.

Jack: Like, he knows whatever the f*** he wants to know.

Cristina: I guess so.

Jack: I guess this is the power of a necromancer. Okay, it's just the power of a necromancer. Look at it like this. Let's unravel some more of Hermes logic, right? The barrier to everything exists because you built it. Additionally, there is no differentiation between that and this. Us and them. That's all simultaneously the one same thing. So really, my knowing where it is is as easy as me deciding I know where it is because that is where it is. Because I know.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Do you see the problem? Like, if you understand what he wants you to understand, what can't you do?

Cristina: There's no stopping this guy.

Jack: Yeah, it's as easy as, well, I know where it is because I know everything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And because I know everything, I know where it is. It must be here. And then you go in and say, because that's the only place it would have been.

Cristina: What's the point of doing anything?

Jack: You can't stop him. But he has to be. I guess the caveat. And I think this is where we all f*** up. I think this is where it Stops making sense to all of us. And I think somebody did a really good job about explaining this logic to us. Weirdly enough, it was Nicolas Cage in the movie Next, where he sees into the future by a very specific margin. But there's a trick to it. He doesn't always see the future all of the time. He thinks about it like a thought. It's a thought he can have towards the future. Mm, Interesting perspective shift. Now, let's apply this in real time. Santa doesn't know what everybody does all the time. He has a bag with a wormhole that connects somewhere. He shows up because he has the magical ability to teleport. And then when he's there, he can think about you and gauge what when he gives it to you that night. So the same effect takes place. He had to think about it in a moment, but it's fine. He's everywhere all the time. At least from our point of view. He had to think about it. Now he's not thinking about it all the time. He doesn't just know everything all the time, but if he was in a fight with you, he's just thinking about what you're doing next. You're never landing a hit.

Cristina: That makes a lot of sense. You see, he knows. Yeah, he just has to think about it. Like, even though. Like, the part of him knowing whether you're asleep or awake.

Jack: Like, not literally, but he could.

Cristina: Like, he could if he's there. And he didn't have to be there about it.

Jack: If you just thought about it.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Jack: He doesn't know who the f*** you are. So he doesn't randomly just know what the f*** you're doing. But when he shows up at your house, well, he's here. He could think about you. No, it works. And it solves for X or whatever. Interesting, right? And it allows us to have a situation where. Well, we have instances of Jesus being, like, duped or moved around. But how? Well, he didn't know what to think about. To dodge it, you have to be looking for it. It's a thought. You have to think about it. And if he's not thinking about it, well, that's the way around. Except you don't know what he knows and what he doesn't know. Because he can just jump in your mind. Because he could just bend s*** with his mind.

Cristina: Why didn't they just murder him?

Jack: He was an experiment and the idea was to see how it goes.

Cristina: I don't know. I feel like the moment they up.

Jack: I know they up, they f***** up. I don't know if they f***** up. He doesn't seem to give a. About anything.

Cristina: Possibly. Unless they're all dead. We don't know that either.

Jack: Murdered them all.

Cristina: There might not be any.

Jack: Jesus happens. And the amount of silence it just follows exactly is absurd.

Cristina: Everything.

Jack: Everything can be dead. Everything.

Cristina: We don't know.

Jack: Silence from every direction. All of it.

Cristina: Except for creatures here and there. I guess.

Jack: Yes. But they're not even from here. They wander in.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This mean that's 99 of what's left creature events. But we have and weird instances of relic ship being found and people being where they shouldn't.

Cristina: That's it. But the humor. Everything.

Jack: Dude. He's born. We got years of people running and hiding and shifting and changing narratives. Changing entire empires built around correcting the existence of this guy. And that's dies and then it's all gone with him. Just poof.

Cristina: But then it could just be. They're really good at hiding after that. I don't know. It's so.

Jack: It's because. Yeah. The biggest issue is the creation of the church happens simultaneously with the birth of Jesus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Not simultaneously literally but within the same hundred year period. So the correction effort that is monstrously educated and sophisticated coincides with the existence of Jesus who just shows up. It could really be that it's too risky. And too many people saw where we are. We just moved and we changed the story. And so you guys just don't know. And so it looks crazy. And they're invisible because they're just good at their job. Or they're dead. Everybody's dead. All of them.

Cristina: Easily either one.

Jack: And we're not part of the beef. It was those f******.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So he's just gone because he finished the mission of murder Everything.

Cristina: Or he escaped. I don't know. Yeah.

Jack: I'm assuming that's what it means. That he just left.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: He just dipped out and left this realm.

Cristina: But we'll never know if they're still alive. But I'm guessing they are because we still have the be the triangle doing its thing.

Jack: That's right. We got this whole thing happening up there. So they're still down there. If they're not then at least for however many thousand years their systems have been running in the cloud. People don't even know.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. I guess that's possible too.

Jack: I don't know. You know Like. I don't know. I don't know man. I don't know. I don't know. You're telling me that the Mayans and the Egyptians and the Greek and. And these guys and those guys, are they alive? So everybody just dips. Everybody just hides sophistication. And it all disappears with them. All the advanced technologies, we just get shreds that obviously they couldn't bury a hundred thousand percent of it. If they got thousands and thousands and thousands of years of recorded history, but they remove all of it, then many thousands of years happen and things get buried underneath and we lose history of how things happen and blah, blah, blah. So they relied on time. Because time stops being a factor when you can live really long. Because they can plan for that. They can plan like, oh yeah, I could f****** live a thousand years. Whatever.

Cristina: That's true. I don't know. Okay, yes, there's factors here.

Jack: We forget all the time the fact that longevity is just casual here.

Cristina: But we don't really know how long. No, they can live forever because they figured it out.

Jack: Yes. Literally in text it says that several different instances. I believe it was three. We got a mention of Azazel figuring it out. Azriel. My bad. Azriel figuring it out. As part of the Garden of Eden group, which seems to have been in connection with Hermes, who himself was already a necromancer, who by default seems to have the ability to have the ability to make themselves immortal. So it's like there's mentions of immortality. We also know Merlin was also immortal. We know St. Nicholas is also immortal. And based on those examples, we can speculate St. Patrick is too.

Cristina: He has to be. I don't know. And is he still around? I don't know.

Jack: So like, what is. What is all of this? What are we even talking about?

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Like, what is this topic? What are we talking about? That is the problem. What are we trying to figure out? That is the problem. What is the point? So what? Where they went? Is that the goal? Or who? Why? Why what Jesus did? Question mark. What is the point? Yes. Okay. The truth is out there. About what? Everything is a lie. Apparently. So what the f***? Let's just accept it's all a lie and keep moving on. Yeah, exactly. So where we aiming? That's what I don't understand. It's like. It was interesting when it seemed like it was going somewhere, but now, f***, everything is a lie. So who the f*** cares then? If everything is a lie, then what does it matter?

Cristina: Does not. Because nothing's real. I don't know.

Jack: Exactly. So then just call it all bullshit and continue with your day. But no this is a f****** program. And we're expected to report.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So where do we lean? What we have to. There has to be a focal point that makes sense to move forward because where the h*** do we go? Is it the stones? No. That's a tool. Jesus also seems to be a tool of sorts who just happened to be a living one.

Cristina: Mm. Everything that there's too much things we can't figure out though.

Jack: But do this. Any of these things. It just feels like answers to trivial s*** as opposed to like knowing like, what is the. I just wanna. The question of the question. Not the answer I'm looking for. The question of what are we looking for? If I can answer that question.

Cristina: Answer that question. Yeah.

Jack: Because the answer to that question will give us a question.

Cristina: What are we looking for?

Jack: Yeah. If we could just answer that. No, because we're not looking for Jesus. We have. It was hard, but once you find the first thread. Now we know. We literally traced his every step until he died.

Cristina: Is the end goal. But I don't feel like it is because the end goal might be just going out of the matrix.

Jack: Which. What the does that even mean if we can't access that? Yeah, but it's not because getting the stones would in theory just allow you to accomplish that. Or not even just getting the stones, but being able to move from one system to the other. Which was yelled about this initial thing. So still hearing stories after that point defeats the purpose. It couldn't have been the point. You see the problem?

Cristina: We can.

Jack: We can rule things out.

Cristina: That makes it easier.

Jack: I don't know. Yeah, but it doesn't help us know. I mean it does its own things. And I suppose this is definitely not about getting out. It's not about the stones for sure. They're a tool.

Cristina: But what could it possibly be that's difficult because Jesus is high up.

Jack: Necromancers.

Cristina: They figured out everything. They figured out how to live forever. They probably figured out how to be happy. Unless it's about being happy. Like what could they possibly be needing? We're wanting.

Jack: Who's the bad guy in the story? Who's the good guy in the story? What's the problem? What's the problem?

Cristina: What's the problem? Is the problem.

Jack: Yeah. What's the problem? There's a lot of information. I guess there isn't a problem. I guess what we're really uncovering is just a bunch of suppressed history. It's just stuff happens. Life junk and junk. This stuff. It was just stuff that happened. We're Just investigating stuff. There's no goal here. Sometimes there was war, sometimes there wasn't. Some people were starving, sometimes there weren't. Some people had God, sometimes weren't. A lot of science, a lot of technology. These guys like those guys. These guys argue. That guy's really good at his thing, that guy's really s***** at his thing. So they fight a lot. This guy's opinions, that guy's no opinions. It's just people. We're just uncovering people and a lot of secret society people. So it's like, oh my God. But it's just. It's just people.

Cristina: It's just people.

Jack: If we just uncovered secret societies, now it's just a bunch of douchebag politicians and a bunch of rich a*******. Like that's it. That's all it f****** is. There's nothing else. And some celebrities who don't happen to be f****** either. Whatever. Either way. It's just those bubbles ultimately. And that's not anything. If we really observe them, they're not running the world, just idiots trying to outdo one another and trapped in some other system that they're part of or whatever.

Cristina: The probably involving blood, but at some point.

Jack: But even that far up, it's just like more living. It's just part of their world of living. And it looks crazy to us, but they're probably looking at some. They probably look at us ignorant as. Like, look at them thinking blood is ignorant. Stupid animals. And then meanwhile there's some miles ahead of all of them. Look at these ignorant still using blood like some primitive fat.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, you know, it just is infinitely up and infinitely down.

Cristina: Yes. So where.

Jack: Because like Hermes said, as above, so below and everything mental and blah blah, blah.

Cristina: But have we explored it all?

Jack: No. H*** no. It's infinite because it's just people living.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's countries, less people obviously, but it's still countries and that's still people and it's still science and it's still wars and it's arguments and debates and faith and society. And the cool thing he did that we recorded because it was cool.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like it's just all the same s***, this history. Not to say if that at that point. Because we can keep digging under that logic instead of trying to zone in on something specific. We now have enough threads to pull on that we can kind of investigate this world accurately without it being about anything and try to investigate just things that connect to us directly. Or is there a f****** point I don't? Because the fact that they didn't leave. And we're still hearing stories.

Cristina: But we're not hearing stories. We're just uncovering old stories.

Jack: Old stories.

Cristina: So there might not be any new stories unless we can. And how do we go about finding those?

Jack: Well, we get to the 1500s and we come across aliens. Not aliens. Come across the Rabbi who makes the golem.

Cristina: That's not that.

Jack: And he's hearing Jehovah dark, which is really just Yaldabaoth. Come on, man. 1500s, it's not that long ago. That's not that long ago. That's still the Alaba doing something.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: And from where nobody found you. You're not. Jesus didn't kill you. Okay, guess. Fair enough. We got the answer to that one. Jesus didn't kill the other Baoth. Did Yellabouth have the stones? I don't know if he has the stones. Did he? When Jesus did he have them originally? And Jesus got them from him because he's definitely who tells the Rabbi how to make that f****** thing.

Cristina: But why?

Jack: But why? But why is the goal like that?

Cristina: Doesn't even feel like it was for anything. Just to see a new thing existing, something very controllable. Yeah, it was.

Jack: Yeah. There was very little about what the point was elaborated on. It was.

Cristina: But it wasn't like they made more. It was just a one time thing.

Jack: But he was instructed quite directly and it was quite pressing to make the thing. And so he did. But why?

Cristina: Why?

Jack: It wasn't for the Rabbi. The Rabbi doesn't matter here. He's a tool. We can throw him to the side. Why the golem? The golem is also a tool. But the point of that tool. Why? We know the point of the Rabbi as a tool. Make the golem. What's the point of the golem as a tool then? Do the what for who? Who are you?

Cristina: No, because he didn't seem like he did it much. He didn't do much.

Jack: No.

Cristina: He was just doing random crap for.

Jack: Him, like, I don't know, bodyguarding and s***. And then he would just deactivate him at random.

Cristina: Yeah, it doesn't seem important.

Jack: It doesn't seem important. Yet here we have an instance of yellow. So it's experiment. It was just to see if it worked. There's still something happening. It was just to see if it worked. That's even weirder that there wasn't a goal for it. It was an experiment.

Cristina: What was he made out of clay?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Or something?

Jack: Yeah, yeah. He animated random s***. He managed to bring some bullshit. He made a homunculus yeah, he brought some random s*** to life.

Cristina: Did he use blood for that? Or stone?

Jack: He did use blood. Children?

Cristina: Oh. Oh. I don't know. I don't know. What. Okay, so is this where we're going? Where are we going?

Jack: I don't know where we're going. I know we're going.

Cristina: I don't know because there's Nothing now though.

Jack: 1500, that's as close as we got. Arthur happened before that, I believe. And if not, pretty close. We got closer. We got Antonio Draco. That 1700s, late 17, early 1800s. That's not even about anything. That's just some guy who knows about the place. That's not anything that has to do with these other people.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Most recent catastrophes we can try to link to things for the sake of blood or whatever the h***. Making stones or some. One thing or another.

Cristina: And you don't think alien abductions and all those stories have anything to do with it?

Jack: That could definitely just be. Yeah, for sure.

Cristina: Okay. But not to do with any sides specifically.

Jack: Yeah, I think it's just events. I don't know if it's. That's the biggest problem. Like, what's the picture here? Yeah, there seems to be that there is still a picture. I can tell you why. Very specifically. We had the moon landing race thing, the space race, and following us, doing that, we finished and we. That's it. We just got the thing. Accomplish the thing, whatever the case might be. There doesn't need to be an infinite amount of moon related things because it was accomplished. We hate each other. We did the thing. F*** you, we're done. These people hate each other and there's no reason for them to be working together. So they don't. A lot of these work together and then people like Greeks and the Elysians don't. But still the Elysians who work with the Greek, with the Egyptians and the Mayans and the Greek who work with whoever the h*** they're doing, are still aiming in the same direction. There's a goal they have, even if you and I don't know what that goal is. These are independent parties. The Elysians are not only an independent party, but they're an independent party who have two other parties that assisted them for the same goal of what? So much so for this goal of question mark that arguments that broke people out of groups, got all those people together to form yet another group in the shadow realm for the same purpose of this.

Cristina: Which is.

Jack: Which is what? They keep doing the same thing for what There is. There is something.

Cristina: The love of science.

Jack: It's not the love of science.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's too identical, what they're all doing. Okay, that is a problem. If it was the love of science, then all of their loves of sciences would. But how is it that even random geneticists from over there come in and it's for the same purpose.

Cristina: What's the purpose?

Jack: The purpose. Random engineers from over there come over.

Cristina: Here and seems like they purpose everything.

Jack: Out, yet still they're looking for.

Cristina: What are they doing?

Jack: Do you see the problem there does. There is. There's a bunch of stuff painting it, pointing in one direction.

Cristina: It's not to get out. Maybe it's to get more in. Maybe they want to make another layer like we are to the Shadow.

Jack: Oh, I've never thought about that. But we do that ourselves, you know, when. Like the Hedron Colliders, essentially, that.

Cristina: That might be their thing too.

Jack: Yeah, I guess.

Cristina: But like, we don't know because, like, the Shadow Realm gets so much from us. What if we're trying to get something too? I thought we have so much already from us. But maybe digging deeper, there's gonna be more stuff. Whatever this stuff is.

Jack: That's so abstract.

Cristina: Yes, because you know how they're feeding on us, so maybe we want something.

Jack: We do feed on them, don't we?

Cristina: We don't feed on the Shadow Realm creatures. They feed on us, but not like. I'm not talking about, like, eating us.

Jack: But like, using fear.

Cristina: Using fear. Like. Yeah, it's like it makes them stronger in a way.

Jack: Yeah. They literally harvest our energy for themselves.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Man, I don't know. It's so weird.

Cristina: And like, maybe it's about energy because everything in science, you need more energy. Right?

Jack: But then why are they trying to get over here and we're trying to get over there?

Cristina: We're not trying to get into the Shadow Realm. We're trying to get into whatever is the next thing.

Jack: A lot of us are trying to get into the Shadow. Like. Like most people are just trying to get into the Shadow.

Cristina: Well, those are regular people. That's not the fair.

Jack: Fair. Yeah, those are the people.

Cristina: Like the. The.

Jack: The people who. The Shadow Realm is easy too, are trying to get into Alfame.

Cristina: Yeah, but maybe it's not about Alfame either.

Jack: It can't be, because.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: They can do that. Yes, some can do that. And they'll rather hang out here. Why?

Cristina: Because of what they get from here. But what if the next thing would be even stronger or whatever?

Jack: So the argument Is. It's not down. It's not up. It's down.

Cristina: Yes, it's down. It has to be down. Because once you're up, it's like, whatever you. You got it. It's easy. But like. No, I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know either. I don't know either, man.

Cristina: It makes sense and yet I don't understand it. It's there. It's there and I don't get it.

Jack: I know that everything is pointing in one direction. That's a fact. I don't know what they're trying to do.

Cristina: They're not pointing up, they're pointing down.

Jack: They're pointing somewhere. They're pointing. So they're all point. I don't know where they're pointing. They're all pointing in the same direction, though. They're all pointing in the same direction. The. Some of these, like I said, some of these people hate each other and will opt into working with one another for this thing through that hate. For the whatever. For the whatever the f***.

Cristina: So is that the question? Is that what we're looking for?

Jack: I guess. I guess the one and only question we're trying to figure out is what is their goal? That's it. We don't care about who's involved.

Cristina: No. Because they're all involved.

Jack: Everything, all of everything that has ever happened is about this. Yes, we do it. And we don't even know what the f***. People at random are f****** trying to do the thing without even knowing they're trying to do the thing. The point of every part of everything that we can perceive is to somehow be the best at doing that thing. And some do. And so society happens around that individual and they build mega things and some are whack average normal people and nothing happens. But the point is that everybody has the potential to do whatever the f*** this is. So that the one exception, if we go back far enough like, like 150 episodes, and we go back to an episode where we were trying to really comprehend God Jehovah. There was one interesting feature that seemed to be in some of these stories. And it's the idea that this creator didn't no longer want to be a creator. His point was to get something to evolve to the point that they can replace him so he could go to the next thing. Do you remember that conversation?

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: Everything, all of everything is aiming in one direction.

Cristina: I think it's the opposite, though. I don't think they're trying to escape to the fairy realm, which would be reality.

Jack: It would be more about what Hermes is talking about. It's not out, it's in.

Cristina: It's in. It's in.

Jack: Out is so easy for him.

Cristina: Out. Yes, out is easy. And then once you figure out how you figured out this area, whatever this.

Jack: Is, all of this. Because you can see from the outside.

Cristina: Easy. But then you want to make your own.

Jack: If you can. That's genius. If you can look at your universe from the outside. European.

Cristina: Because you're like a God, but you're not a God. You're a God. You're a God when you can make your own realm.

Jack: Yes. Oh, s***.

Cristina: Which is down. Which is what the goal is.

Jack: It's down, not up.

Cristina: It's down.

Jack: It's to make a realm in which you are literally God.

Cristina: Yes. It's what whatever the shadow realm guy did.

Jack: Yes. And it's literally. This would actually correct for language that we don't understand. Literal sentences that don't make f****** sense that conflict with things. This actually fixes it. Think of something like Worship me and no other gods that comes from directly an individual who knows he's not, but has the goal and the purpose of making himself a God through.

Cristina: Everyone wants to be. Mel. Is that her name? Meb. Mab.

Jack: Mab. Yeah.

Cristina: The goal is being Mab.

Jack: The goal is to be Mab. Yeah.

Cristina: Because like, she's not the only one. But she is the one for us at least. She's the goat. She's the. She's the God.

Jack: Yeah. She's the top of the point. We can see so far.

Cristina: Yes. But there's others like her and they're probably all equal to her, but she's still the special one.

Jack: And she. Well, to us.

Cristina: To us. Exactly. So I think that is it.

Jack: And it's. The point is to be the special one to something else.

Cristina: Yes. Don't know why. No.

Jack: But the argument would be. And here is where I would argue. Let me throw some. Some thoughts at you. To try to confirm what Hermes is saying simultaneously. Right.

Cristina: He's saying all of it.

Jack: Well, listen to me.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: Okay. It's pretty simple, Right? So have you ever tried to talk to an ant? And if you did, would the ant know you're trying to talk to it?

Cristina: No.

Jack: No. Right.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: No, it wouldn't. It has no idea, no matter what you do. It wouldn't comprehend.

Cristina: No.

Jack: If an alien sufficiently advanced enough came to talk to you and it tried everything in its power to. But it's just so it. We. We're not even registering that it's talking to us?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I just taught you the border of the realm where one exists and the other doesn't. And it's entirely based on a f****** gap of information. I just showed it to you and I didn't need anything else. Think about that real quick. You do not exist to the f****** ant. That's a mental border.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The alien does not exist to you. That is a mental border. It can try to talk to you any and every day, but you're not ready for it. But when you are ready for it, it'll just f****** be there. Like it was always f****** there.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: That is the f****** border of the realms. It's a level of understanding. That's why it's information. That's why he said you don't need this other s***. That's a download that's gonna hit you with a lot and it's gonna f*** you up.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You don't need it. You could just get there. It's here. Here is there?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You just gotta know how it is here is there. That's what meditators tell us monks and these people know. It's all. There's nothing. It's all the same.

Cristina: But can they get to the goal? Like it seems like they still can't go make a new thing. Like even Hermes doesn't talk about making a new.

Jack: So it must still be hard, even if mental.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The argument must be that somehow I can think. Think something else into existence.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And there's a way to do it and I just don't know how.

Cristina: I think that's the goal. I think so. Because like, it's the hardest thing possible. Like even just thinking of.

Jack: And you had to get through science to get there.

Cristina: Yeah. Like maybe Hermes was trying to figure it out and that's what his teachings are, Trying to help someone eventually figure it out. But I don't think he got it. No, not that part of it. Like he got a lot of it.

Jack: Of course he got the farthest.

Cristina: The farthest. But I think we know where he. Where he couldn't pass. Where they might all not be able to pass through.

Jack: But does the border make sense? Yes, it does, Right? I think we're starting to understand Hermes.

Cristina: A little, I guess. But like you think. But he. This is his research. I think he has to have been helping them for this, right? Maybe.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. There's no mention of down. There's only mention of out.

Cristina: Yes. There's only mention of outs. That's Too complicated now. We gotta look. We gotta. Okay, maybe that's where our next thing.

Jack: Is then try to find down.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Does anybody try to find down or ever mention it? And what would down be if both Shadow and Elfhame are up? What the f*** does down mean? You'd think, oh, based on our interpretations of language, Hel is always down. But that's not the case. No, that's also expansion.

Cristina: You gotta re. Look at a lot of these things because it might be there somewhere.

Jack: And we just so much in front of us.

Cristina: Because problem is rereading.

Jack: Yeah. Rereading with new context changes what we find.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like. That's why it's infinite. We can just keep infinitely digging into anything. So that's why direction matters.

Cristina: So this might be the next thing then Maybe. If we can figure it out. If we can't, then I don't know.

Jack: So what's the ultimate goal we're looking for? Seeing if they're trying. What. What down are they trying to get to?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or can we find that they're trying to get down?

Cristina: Yes. Is that the actual go?

Jack: So can we find that they're trying to get deeper? What for?

Cristina: What for? I don't know. Because there always seems to be. I don't know. It has to do with power maybe.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Like it seems like everything is infinite anyway. But they want more.

Jack: They want more of something.

Cristina: I don't. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know either, man. It's a little absurd.

Cristina: I think this is where it's. What's next. I don't know. Maybe we don't find anything.

Jack: We don't find anything. But it's the direction to look. We still got Yahweh shelf. There's a bunch of Yahweh stuff I've been looking at. Not necessarily stories about Yahweh, but mentions of individuals I think might be. And it's like. I don't know, whatever. Somewhere to go. But like everything is somewhere to go is the problem.

Cristina: You'll find this answer that we're looking.

Jack: For this new or the stones. I really want to know. It's. It could help to track the stones because that seems to be a strong. Like it's important to accomplish the whatever. So like a lot of people are. We're at least closer to the whatever with the stones because they need the stones for the whatever. Even Jesus, who I thought was the whatever, went to get the stones.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So the stones are connected to the whatever. Yes, whatever that might be.

Cristina: Which makes sense because the first whatever was the fairy stones.

Jack: Yes. It was this random occurrence of whatever.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we did whatever. Yeah. It's just whatever that happened. Here we are.

Cristina: Death that's created a stone or not a stone. Tree. I guess it was a tree, not a stone, but whatever.

Jack: Because he had a stone. I don't know. It's so. Because you were always. We're also literally talking about the moment before what we considered the universe existed. So, like. Like we're not gonna find the answer to that one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's like not even a written story. How there wasn't anywhere that existed to write it.

Cristina: Yeah. His son could have written it.

Jack: Weird. I mean, I guess after he came over here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Fair. Fair. How do we know about it? It is at least what we know is written somewhere.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So, like, what we know was written.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So somebody f****** mentioned him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. Fair and fair enough. If we talked about it, it was written. There's no exception. We can go and find out more.

Cristina: Or even if there's not more. We just need to relook at what we've seen and see. Like, did we see something and didn't know what it was? And now.

Jack: Yes, that's actually. And there's probably a lot of that.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot that we got to reevaluate because we figured it out more. I don't know.

Jack: We get more information and then it's easier to understand other random crap. That's really the infinite cycle. You got to keep revisiting. The same expertise is about coming to something with the eyes that you learned. It's sort of being a writer. Right. Any writers or any painters or any. Any. Anything listening creators, they know the following process, which goes as follows. You begin creating whatever you're creating. And you don't know what you're creating, but you thought you did, so you start making it. And by the end, if you're writing, we'll call it a draft. So you finished. And if you're painting by the end of the session, but by the end of the draft, I guess it's easier to explain what writing. You get to the end of the draft, and in writing it, you learned kind of a little more what you were trying to write, what it was about. It was not what you thought initially. It never is. But also your skill level came up enough that you can go back and you're a little better to work on some things. So you start the editing process because the skeletons are right. And in the editing process. You see all the problems and you fix them. Or so you thought. You saw the problems as you go through it. You start writing down the ones you didn't have solutions for that you start going through. And then you make it to the end and you realize, holy f***, that was a lot. But the ones I stumbled at the beginning, I figured out by the time I made it to the end I can go fix those. And so you start going through it and you develop the skill necessary to catch up to the ones you're going to come through as you work through it. But you spot more. Because you have the skill to spot more. Do you see the problem? It doesn't stop.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You could do this forever. A writer has to do what? Choose when it's done.

Cristina: Okay. But this isn't done.

Jack: Exactly. We have to choose when it's done.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because all we can do is become more expert of this. And also we have no idea what the f*** the goal was. I don't know if we can find out. But that's a great direction.

Cristina: Hermes wants us to continue.

Jack: Hermes is pretty in there. He would know.

Cristina: He needs us to continue.

Jack: And he knows what the goal is.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or I don't know that he has to. Right?

Cristina: He has to.

Jack: If anyone.

Cristina: And Jesus does.

Jack: And Jesus does. We. Do.

Cristina: We.

Jack: Okay. So let's. Let's think about this. We believe Jesus knows. We believe Hermes knows. We think the Elysians know. We believe all the research groups. Yeah, all of them. They know. They're working towards it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Who else knows?

Cristina: Probably all the necromancers. Whether they're part of it or not.

Jack: Fair. Just because. Information.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they need a lot of it. Which means they've probably stumbled upon or do it between or around just to.

Cristina: Get to where they're at. They had to know.

Jack: A bunch of shadow individuals know. But some of most of them are.

Cristina: Also part of the group. Yeah. They're in part of the group. So it doesn't matter.

Jack: I don't know. There are the. I like one thing I do like about this. It feels way more believable because we also come across random f****** stories that have nothing to do with anything. Like the judge was just some s***. Just some. Just a story about a guy whose sister was connected to a main character. That's it? Yeah, that's it. Unimportant.

Cristina: Turned her into a main character. Like if he didn't stumble upon this.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. Really. It's the story of her. But his story is cool.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: He's the only reason she has a story, I guess. Yeah.

Jack: And her story is way more important. She's literally in like shaded places with the. The girl that then became an important girl over here. Yeah.

Cristina: Weird. Okay.

Jack: It is weird, man. It's so strange. There's so much weird crap going on. Anyways, so that's what we got. We. I guess we're gonna. I guess the goal is to look for individuals, man. Hermes is right somehow. And it's weird. And like, the more I think about.

Cristina: It, giving us the answer, we just have to.

Jack: We're done.

Cristina: Think about it.

Jack: Yeah. That's all it is. According to his own word.

Cristina: He's got it.

Jack: It's there, it's there, it's there. If we. If we don't. We don't have to go. We don't have to look at anything. According to his teaching, a hundred percent of it is there. It requires no other information. We're just stupid. That's it. And if you think about it harder, it just makes more sense. The fact that I could think of a possibility of what a barrier option is, that I could just think away and put that into words. I just. Alan Watts for a moment. That's how I feel about that.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But also, was Alan Watts a f****** necromancer?

Cristina: We should look into Alan Watts, I think, because, like, I think you should take a note on that. Like, I really think he might be. The things he says, he says too.

Jack: Effortless, it seems too understood, too, like.

Cristina: Yeah, like, he might not be the strongest necromancer, but he knows he gets it.

Jack: He at least knows surface level s*** student.

Cristina: Like, he never became an official.

Jack: Yeah, like, I'm sure Alexander the Great. Yeah, he didn't become a necromancer. But man, was the op enough to be impressive.

Cristina: Like, yeah, like they might have been students, but never like passed the test.

Jack: Like, yeah, exactly. Like, he seems op by our standards, but not op enough to pass that test, homie. Yeah, but still by human standards. Most impressive s*** we've seen.

Cristina: Yeah. So we might be able to find stories about student necromancers. There might be a lot more stories of student necromancers than Kangaskhan was in there somewhere.

Jack: We're talking this guy f****** terrorized and manipulated and controlled things larger than most earth sized countries. That's crazy.

Cristina: If not, maybe he had someone or something with him. Whether it was an ecromaster or a. What are those guys called?

Jack: Naga.

Cristina: Naga. That's what I was thinking. Maybe we should look at him too, because, like, That's a little. I don't know. That's a lot.

Jack: So, yeah, it's a lot going on there. He did a lot to just be a dude.

Cristina: So we got people to look at. We got people to look at, ideas to think about.

Jack: Fair enough. Fair enough.

Cristina: So we got something.

Jack: Well, I guess, yeah. So we have at least a place to start looking for if you guys have any information, anything you guys want us to look for specifically. Maybe you guys have a direction we can go in, a focal point, something you've seen that you've been screaming at, your f****** thing at.

Cristina: You think that's connected somehow that we haven't talked about or you're so close to talking about or you mentioned but never got into.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Like, what if? What have you spotted that we're brushing past? And yes, you're like, say it. And we're like, we don't even realize we're not, you know, tell us, send us messages, do that on our socials. Usconvopada, TikTok, Instagram X& Facebook.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And tell people about the show. Word of mouth matters. And they can come and check out. The fact that we're slowly unraveling and apparently still, even when we think about it, still making moves forward.

Cristina: That's awful. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. Good morning.

Cristina: Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

April 20, 2024

Rambling 271: The Hermetic Works

April 20, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

How’d Hermes Acquire his Philosopher’s Stone? Was he alone? And what is this strange tablet? The duo continue to deep dive into Hermes Trismegistus’ works and history in an everlasting quest to understand the purpose of ancient advanced civilizations.

+Episode Details

The Original Hermetic Philosopher’s Stone
Angelic Gift
Collaboration
Discovery
The Emerald Tablet
The Guide to Necromancy
Six Major Works
Apollonius

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And I'm still baffling, baffled about the same. Baffling ideas relative. Infinitely digging into a hole that I don't know at this point if it's more about Hermes or more about Jesus or what the h***. There's some. Something else we should be pointing no, there's something we should be pointing at that we don't know what it is that they're kind of all dancing around and getting us closer to. That's ultimately what's happening here. We're getting closer to something like the.

Cristina: First necromancer or something. Something else.

Jack: I don't know if knowing who the first necromancer is matters necessarily. Or maybe it does. You don't know what information matters because we don't know what we're looking for.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Like, are we looking for something in the past? Are we looking for something in the present? And we're looking for a plan, a purpose, a goal, a person?

Cristina: There's nothing to find in the present. Or is there? I don't think there's any. There doesn't seem to be anything.

Jack: Antonio Draco was quite recent. That was just the 1700s. That ain't that crazy.

Cristina: That's kind of old. 1700. That's the most recent.

Jack: The battle that took place directly over the. Where the palace of Alcaraz was in the Persian Gulf oasis. That was in the 80s.

Cristina: Oh, really?

Jack: The tanker war.

Cristina: Okay, that's not that far.

Jack: It's not that far.

Cristina: What does it mean?

Jack: What does it mean? Right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And whatever's happening with Israel and Palestine, I think that's related, man. I think that's related because you got to think about it. I was giving this real thought. Maybe we talked about this on the show, but before, I don't even know. My thought about this was we think just look at the order of events, right? Israel just attacking and wrecking these people in here. Totally genocide level. Israel's a bad guy for sure, but maybe not. Let's think about this, right? Israel's just, quote, murdering these people or whatever is happening there. We don't have eyes on it. We don't know what's happening, okay? The other countries know about it and do nothing and they tell us, oh, yo, yeah, your opinions are valid. And blah, blah, blah. And then they do nothing. It's because either what they're. What's actually happening, they're not telling us. And these, our leaders know too, what's really going on. What's really going on. And they're like, no, believe what you got to believe. I don't. Maybe. Maybe it's not even a bad thing that they're doing. Maybe there's. Because this is my other thought. We're looking at Israel, which most likely is somehow connected to the Elysians. If we're talking about this right. And we're looking at the Egyptians, which are the other side. The Egyptians are the other wall. They're the only other exit point for not doing anything. And they're literal. Thing is you guys aren't doing anything wrong. But why now? Borders is what they said. These people can get away through water if they f****** want. Whatever.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I mean, who knows if they make it. I don't even know. Or if the Wabotters are patrolled, whatever the case might be. But think about the logic here. Maybe they're holding something in there.

Cristina: What?

Jack: That's.

Cristina: What.

Jack: Maybe it's a prison cell to hold something in there. Maybe there's. That's the actual focal point to something.

Cristina: To something. To something trying to keep in there.

Jack: To something that they're trying to keep in there.

Cristina: That's disturbing. I guess. I don't know.

Jack: The other thing is that I was thinking about. This is before we get just random thoughts I've had. But this next one isn't random thought I've had as much as a. Interesting note I read unrelated to anything we're talking about, but it was in a text, an Islamic text mentioning the Mecca and how it was built to. This is. Now, this isn't in the Quran. This is part of like kind of lost Islamic folklore.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Specifically.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That references it as though it was built to trap an evil spirit. The thing that the Islamics.

Cristina: You think they're fighting an evil spirit?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Wait, they're worshiping the evil spirit that they're fighting.

Jack: They. I don't think people know if. If this was the actual purpose for. And it worked. And there's an evil spirit in and me. I don't even know what the Mecca really is. I'm sure people are allowed in there to confirm there's not a prison cell with an evil spirit.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But I don't. I don't actually have any idea, to be honest. But this is just a random thought I was having. That I read that line and look into it or anything. It just essentially made it sound like it was made to trap an evil spirit. Okay, this is it pulled up right here. This does not look like a prison cell to me. There are three pillars that hold it it up.

Cristina: But can people go in there?

Jack: I guess so. Yeah. Even if they can't, like, it's not a.

Cristina: Is that a what?

Jack: It's not a prison. Oh, I know what the Mecca is now that I think about it. Is this where Muhammad took into the.

Cristina: Sky what I think it is?

Jack: This is where Muhammad went into the sky.

Cristina: Through that?

Jack: No, on this spot or when he went to heaven? Or was it the floating rock? One or the other one.

Cristina: I think you need to do some more research on this. Yeah, whatever.

Jack: Yeah. It has nothing to with anything. Anyways. None of this is the point. None of this matters.

Cristina: It could be in the future. Who knows?

Jack: Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I have no clue. But anyways, today's episode has nothing to do with that. That was just an interesting fact of life. I. I suppose. But today's episode is more of an extension of trying to dive deeper into Hermes now that we've established one guy factually, one guy throughout a bunch of time, which means immortality, as well as him knowing or at least living an absurd amount of time while being human and him knowing Yahweh, which is the first mention of anybody we have crossing with Yahweh. So now we know to, you know, eventually look into that time based connection. But I found some other things that I think we should discuss instead. Relative to this individual who seems to be the one human we know who can stretch a crap ton of time other than Jesus Christ though he knows.

Cristina: A lot about science.

Jack: And I guess also on St Nicholas and St Patrick all both lived in absorbently long amount of time. And Merlin was only murdered because it's a fairy's weapon.

Cristina: Did it as far. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: If he's dead.

Cristina: He said if he's dead because that's the last we heard of him.

Jack: Yeah. So okay. That summarizes kind of relative points, I suppose. And so I had a question coming in here and I'm like, so how did he come up with the stone? Or where do you get it? You know what? Like where did this originate from and how do we get there?

Cristina: Okay. Huh?

Jack: How would we go about doing that?

Cristina: How would you do that? Yeah. You found the way.

Jack: How it's complicated, right? Because we have to think about like what steps would a normal person approach how do we. What question would I ask to find the normal step a person would approach? Like, what the h***? Right?

Cristina: Like how. Yeah, because, like, do you know about the first stones, I guess to make. Are the four stones Adam and Eve, or the ones that was before them, that came from the dead fairies? Those are the. I think.

Jack: I think that one stone is the first one that at least narratively speaking, what we know, what we've uncovered. A fairy stone is the first one. I guess the shadow stone is what we call it. The shadow stone is the first one. Then the stone of Adam, the stone of Eve. I suspected another stone to make Jesus, but we don't actually know that to be a fact. That's a theoretical stone. So outside of those three stones, we also have Merlin's stone, Patrick's stone, and Nicholas's stone. But those three stones seem to either be unpure or weaker versions as compared to these other way, more OP stones we're talking about.

Cristina: Yes, but we're going back in time. Like, how did they come up with.

Jack: Adam and Eve and.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. Because that's Eloi. Who came up with that. That's not even connected. That's another problem. Right. That creates a huge hole. You're totally right. How did they come up with making these stones? Because essentially they're following. This is another reason. This is where this rabbit hole just kind of spirals in the million places. Right. Eloi. My theory is Eloi used Yaldabaoth's method to create the atom stone and the Eve stone, both being better than the last through the kind of rinse and repeat process that takes a long time to make a thing reproduce and then kill it. He was working with szn.

Cristina: This is a new incision.

Jack: Is the son of Yaldabel.

Cristina: Oh, that. But like, how much does he really know?

Jack: I mean, I guess, but this is my theory. And follow me on this. I don't think it worked. I think even us, we are the imperfect still in progress. Jesus was still the working towards something. He was closer than we are.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because we're not descendants of Jesus.

Cristina: Yeah. And we don't know if there's anything after.

Jack: Exactly. And whatever Jesus is by comparison to us is op. And Jesus was born. It seems with everything a necromancer is.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I think that's the goal. A born necromancer. Interesting.

Cristina: Did he make more of himself, though?

Jack: Jesus?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No.

Cristina: If he had children, what would his children be? Says like the stones made us. We reproduce. And make more us? Wouldn't there be Jesus like creatures out there too?

Jack: If Jesus reproduced, If he did, and anyone he reproduces with would reduce what he is. There could only be one.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: He would need another him, another perfect version. So they could never recreate. It would only be Jesus.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You could only have the one. Interesting. I didn't think about that. Even genetically. There could only be the one.

Cristina: I guess maybe that's why they only made one. Because why would you just make one? That's kind of weird. But we were a test and they didn't just make one. There's billions of us.

Jack: I'm sure we weren't necessarily the finished product either.

Cristina: No. I mean, no.

Jack: Maybe the goal was Jesus.

Cristina: Us to make him.

Jack: Yeah, the goal was to make Jesus. Which then brings up the next thing. If the entire process required mass death, then question one, is there something akin to a mass extinction event taking place around the time that Jesus was born? And two, is the, I guess the use of the possession of the stone. The use of the stone is, are they? I don't even know what my question is because, oh man, it's so complicated. I don't understand the ultimate point. But anyways, anyways, who cares about any of this? Chasing this point, okay? I need to track where this man began. The path of finding out where the stone came from. Like, how do you do it? Where'd it come from? So start looking through text. Any mention, make a note of any possible. And I come across a couple of interesting mentions. And so it goes as follows. Christianity would have the most information because they're the people trying to correct everything. That's the first place. It's like a Wikipedia of sorts. You begin there, but you can assume it's wrong in a lot of places. So you begin and you're like, what do you gotta say about this?

Cristina: Christianity, Christianity. Okay.

Jack: Through biblical texts, we landed at Enoch and we proved Enoch is Hermes.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Great. It took us that far outside of the Bible itself, but through other Christianity and Catholicism adjacent texts, we get an interesting line which does in fact discuss the philosopher's stone.

Cristina: Okay, what's that?

Jack: Their take on the events.

Cristina: Is it again, Christianity. Christianity, but outside the Bible?

Jack: Outside the Bible, yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Enoch was given the stone by angels. If we translate these words, fairies. Fairies, gave.

Cristina: That doesn't make sense. That doesn't make sense. What does that mean? You know, you don't think it's shadow realm people. Maybe by they mean shadow people. That's more believable that shadow people. If the none of anything. We haven't. Like, we haven't understood anything.

Jack: Well, no, the other thing is that I think two or three episodes ago, we stumbled upon the possibility that the fairy realm is also just another layer and not base reality.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. I don't know what's happening.

Jack: I don't know what's happening either. But it's. It would be the logical conclusion that if it's possible to make a perfect simulation, we ourselves are within one, because it's the most likely. There's only one base reality.

Cristina: So they're also just testing on us.

Jack: Yeah, every. It's a loop. An infinite loop. It looks like.

Cristina: Yes, as above.

Jack: So below what? Which is a line. We're gonna say again later.

Cristina: Hermes. Own line.

Jack: Okay, now, at least it was a good starting point, but I don't trust the Christians because this came straight through edits from Catholicism, which tells me this only exists because you're trying to lie about something.

Jack: This only exists because you're trying to lie about something. That's just where I begin with Christianity right now. You only exist to cover up lies. So let's find out if you mentioned it. Yeah, it was a lie to cover something up. Simple.

Cristina: So you gotta find the original story.

Jack: Because he mentioned it. He mentioned it.

Cristina: That's good enough.

Jack: Christianity mentioned it. So you're trying to hide something. Yes, or you wouldn't have said s*** because it wouldn't have concerned you at the end. So let's find out the same take. I look a little harder going through Christianity, but kind of reaching outside of the Scriptures, outside of the Bible, outside of any relative. But other people who claim to have been around and seen a lot of the same things who aren't necessarily identifying as a version of Christianity, but rather a different Abrahamic religion. Celtics right up there with our friend Mananan. And these individuals, right? They actually happen to also have an interesting mention about a man named Enoch. Interesting, interesting. And what do they say? Because this definitely sheds a little more light.

Cristina: What do they say?

Jack: They believe that Enoch was given the instructions by angels on how to develop the stone. Or it's unclear that he developed the stone along side of them, I guess. Interesting.

Cristina: Either way.

Jack: Now we get somewhere where it's more of. They're messing with a program and they're trying to do something in the program, and they're getting the AI in the program to help them.

Cristina: Interesting, Interesting.

Jack: That looks more like today reality. A little closer, a little closer.

Cristina: These are just people outside the program that are just essentially right yeah.

Jack: Or in theory.

Cristina: Yes. It makes sense. It's weird. Yes. Because why would every fairy be under. Or listening to. What's her name?

Jack: To Mab.

Cristina: Yes, Mab.

Jack: Yeah. It might just be the Internet. We might. It might just be the Internet. There's a bunch of parts.

Cristina: She's just a late scientist and she has people working for her. But not everyone in that world is a scientist working for her. She could be the sea people of that place or whatever.

Jack: Not even. She could just be a developer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This could be Facebook and there's other websites, and she's just one of many working on. On the Facebook known as reality.

Cristina: Yes. And people go in and they do their own thing. Okay. Yeah.

Jack: Makes perfect sense. Right. A little better framed. And that made a lot of sense. But I started following that to try to confirm if I could. If, you know, if that's corroborated by other sources.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And instead what I get is an older take on this same thing. This sounded right enough that you wouldn't question it. But if you find out that. Let's think about the line I'm about to draw you. The Christians who come essentially from the Israeli kind of region, moving towards Italy, that's Christianity. If you draw a line from Israel towards Italy, that's Christianity happening right there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And the Celtic is. If you were to draw a line from Italy to Ireland. Right.

Cristina: Okay. Sort of picturing it.

Jack: Okay. Islam would be you dragging that line then back into the Middle east again from where it came out to Iran and Afghanistan and Arabia and that kind of Middle Eastern.

Cristina: Very Middle Eastern.

Jack: Yeah. So it's a triangle, by the way. A weird, lopsided triangle of sorts.

Cristina: Yeah, but of religions.

Jack: Yeah. We go back kind of to where we began. The further back we go, we left and came back going backwards through time, and we land at Islam. But then I follow Islam and it devolves back into Zoroastrianism.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Right. Okay. So I'm on the right track. Right. Just following the same sentences and same kind of ideas, devolving, changing little by little. But if you know what you're looking for, you can compare them. Even if the first and the last are nothing alike, the road is just a bunch of similar kind of more or less. So you make it all the way into Zoroastrianism, and then you hit the wall. But it's interesting enough where the wall ended, because I would argue that then this answers more clearly, because Zoroastrians believe that Enoch, specifically angels, came down to learn how Enoch created something like The Philosopher's Stone.

Cristina: What? How? And how. But how. But how did he do it?

Jack: But how did he do it?

Cristina: How does he. Then it feels like he has to relate to the other guy who made the first one in the Shadow Realm, because how could he have done it without him? How could he have just done it separately? Is it possible? Is it possible? Could that happen? I don't know. I mean, maybe.

Jack: Well, no. We can draw a line that makes sense because we know there's enough degrees.

Cristina: There's.

Jack: There's. They're close enough that there's like four degrees of separation before we get to like the source, you know?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If we started Hermes, who we know connected with both Jehovah and Yahweh. Yahweh, the son of Eloi, who we know factually made the thing and hung out with the son of Yaldabaoth who made the first one. It's like the information is there. It made it down the pipeline.

Cristina: It's not that crazy, but through time. It's kind of crazy, but like.

Jack: Yeah, but we still have pipe systems made by these people and we're pretending they don't exist.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like, is that still through time?

Cristina: He did it. He did it. Okay.

Jack: I'm not sure if he did it, but that's the argument that happens the.

Cristina: Farthest back is that he made it. They were interested in that to the.

Jack: Point that that means he discovered how to traverse the Shadow Realm and Elfame and make a stone that bends all of them through one another easily and effortlessly.

Cristina: It makes sense because he's a necromancer. And if you know what a necromancer like, it's just what a necromancer is meant to do in the end of the day.

Jack: In modern day, we consider necromancers to be so associated with death almost specifically. And so little of these other things they're also identify with like just being able to like, we're so, so evil and this and that. Every description I've seen of a necromancer allows them to just enter heaven. What the f*** is that?

Cristina: Enter any realm pretty much.

Jack: They can just phase out. That's fire, dude.

Cristina: Just obsessed with the death part.

Jack: But like, yeah, we're weirdly fascinated by that realm.

Cristina: Way more realms that they can communicate with.

Jack: All of them. All of the above.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Is basically. They have no restriction. They're human gods.

Cristina: Mm. That's what they are. Oh my gosh.

Jack: Human gods. I guess the human gods. Except they're not a research team. It's not like.

Cristina: Yeah, it's not like the other Sun.

Jack: God's research team or whatever, you know. But it is interesting.

Cristina: Yes. And they're just people. Or they were people. They were once people.

Jack: They were once people that through knowledge alone stopped being people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: D***, bro. Crazy hardcore.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The obsession you must have with knowledge. And the other problem is that they are depicted as very dark because there is. They. Aesthetically, we're trying to cover themselves. And a lot of the things they used, well, they used anything and everything, which means they were often seen with normal things which you wouldn't acknowledge and ab. Normal things which you would. Like skulls and s***.

Cristina: Well, I don't know if I'm getting the thinking of this right, but weren't they in blue, though? Not black blue for some reason, Like Santa and Patrick were in blue and then like through the story changed to red and green. But I feel like, yeah, they were.

Jack: In neutral, darker colors.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: They were always in neutral, darker colors. Yes.

Cristina: Yeah. It wasn't straight up black, though, but.

Jack: It was always robes. It was always drapey robes and. But I think the only one who was masking and hiding in this way was Hermes in particular. He's the master necromancer, the teacher of necromancy.

Cristina: He has to be, though. He had.

Jack: Yeah. So he's hiding who he is. Dimensions of him are so scarce, the outside of a few pockets. People are even unclear as to whether he was real. There's a bunch of people who, like, it's. He's believed to have been a real person, but there's also like a bunch of groups of people, scholars and like, d***, man, this doesn't check out. It's like that level of unclear. He made sure of that. Okay, yeah, the level of unclear. He made sure he wasn't seen. So we don't know what he necessarily looked like because his face was always covered, dark colors, maybe even makeup on all the time, so that there was no distinctive realistic features. So that if he just wanted to be a person, he goes. Nobody sees him take it off. And you just don't know who the f*** this guy is. Because as Hermes, he had to be this thing so that he could detach himself. Because think about how legendary the thing is that everybody everywhere has known and heard and talked about him. Created masterpiece philosophic works, magic, alchemy, philosophy. And the philosophy just doesn't miss either. Like solid universal philosophy. Get the f*** out of here.

Cristina: Talking about reality like it makes sense. It makes sense. Sense from what he wrote, his laws Just. I don't. I don't get it. It's crazy. I believe it, though.

Jack: It falls in line with what he's being accredited with. Yeah. Like he truly. He's trying to tell you. No, it's easy to just bend it all.

Cristina: Like, he truly got it. He wasn't just.

Jack: He wasn't preaching it and not practicing it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He was genuinely like, no, you could just bend reality with your mind. You're like, I know, but it's like meditation. Woo. Woo. And then he waves.

Cristina: Yeah, exactly. And he's saying it like it is. Or we're taking it like it is.

Jack: We're taking it. But it's like we. He says that and we take it like he is. And then he waves his hand and then everything doctor Strange is around us and it's like, oh, s***. No, he's the real deal.

Cristina: He is. Whoa.

Jack: But then what's interesting is that means that the possibility that this is real is here, but that it is so absurdly rare. Like truly, astoundingly like everything else seems like technology. This guy seems like he's reached beyond that even to the people who are claiming it's all technology. You're like, but that. That guy.

Cristina: But that guy.

Jack: But that guy. And it's like, d***, bro. But also, that's just super crazy. Over the top op, because at that level, it is kind of like the fairies, right? It's just exaggerated technology.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That looks like magic from how advanced it is. And even to us, we've become familiar with so much elation technology and so many things from the Egyptians and the Mayans and the these and the that and experiments they've run, that little by little it looks less like magic to us as we become more clear with the possibilities. And still a necromancer looks like magic. D***. D***.

Cristina: They're coders. They're coders. They're more than just a beyond.

Jack: They're out there. It's something that we do not comprehend just yet. But the fact that digging keeps taking us farther means I am confident there's a way to at least comprehend something.

Jack: One of them came back and said something. And somebody wrote it down.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Simple. That's what we do.

Cristina: That's how we found that first part of his thing. And before we found out, he did the seal.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Some, like Aristotle just wrote some crap. Yeah, that's it. He just wrote about the guy by chance. Just public records we ignore every day.

Cristina: Yeah, but it was there.

Jack: And that. Exactly. There must be a way. There's Always a way. Now, looking at other things, in the Book of Enoch, it says Enoch might be the first to have the capability to create or understand something as profound as the philosopher's son. Just confirming says it.

Cristina: Okay. It just talks about the philosopher's stone. Does it say what it thinks it's the. What the philosopher soul is like. Does it match up to what we think?

Jack: None of that matters.

Cristina: None of that matters?

Jack: No. Because I just scrolled to the juicy part.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I'll have to show you an image.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And I need you to just look at that image.

Cristina: None of that matters, though.

Jack: None of that matters. This is what matters. What are you looking at?

Cristina: Words and a mountain, I think, or some type of rock. Is it an image of a rock?

Jack: Right. It's an image of a rock in the woods.

Cristina: I don't know the words. Am I supposed to know what it is?

Jack: No, no, no, no, no. I'm just having you describe what you're looking at.

Cristina: Okay. Is something happening to rock? Is it on fire? There's something shooting out of it on the top or something.

Jack: Interesting little detail right there, right?

Cristina: Yeah. Is that important?

Jack: Maybe. Who knows?

Cristina: Is there anything else happening in the image that I'm not noticing?

Jack: This is a drawing and this is a very old drawing. It was done in the 1800s. Not the 1800s. This was done in the 800s. My bad. Reiteratively copied over and over to have a fresher version of it. But this is the image. The image you're looking at is called the Emerald Tablet. A man saw it. He then copied everything he saw. He drew what it looks like. This is essentially the he. So how do I put it? Yeah. So this man is unnamed, has a. Sees rock, comes in contact with the rock, studies it, then he goes and gets an artist, comes back, the artist copies the rock. This is the rock's shape. This is the. From his point of view. He chose this angle on the rock because of the text on it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Is called the Emerald Tablet. The Emerald Tablet has an interesting feature to it. It's gold looking, except where light touches it directly. So anytime you see a glare of light and anywhere you look at shade. So the crevices, the crevices of the stone and the glares of the stone are green like the.

Cristina: Like emerald, like an emerald. Okay.

Jack: But the stone itself is gold.

Cristina: That's strange.

Jack: Very strange. Allow me to tell you about the Emeril Tablet. A very important piece of information. First, let me tell you what's on the Emerald Tablet. Would you like to know what it says?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay. There are 15 points on the emerald tablet. I'll number it and then tell you what it says.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Number one. True without falsehood, certain most certain. True without falsehood, certain most certain.

Cristina: That sounds like gibberish.

Jack: Totally sounds like gibberish. Point 2. What is above like what is below. And what is below is like what is above to accomplish the miracle of one thing.

Cristina: Wait, is this related to Hermes? Did he write this about what's. Okay, continue before I continue.

Jack: Okay, let me go ahead and answer your question. It is believed that this stone was made of an impossible fusion of rock. A golden rock, gold.

Cristina: Gold.

Jack: An emerald and emerald. The gem creating a semi gold, semi emerald hybrid stone, which was then etched with a message that seemed to be perfectly cut, not like it was hit with a chisel.

Cristina: So then how could he have written on it?

Jack: How did you make such an impossibly hard piece of metal, made of literal gems and steels of sorts, or not seals, but metals, and then so cleanly, without any bumps or bruises or anything uneven, etched a message onto it?

Cristina: It's alchemy related.

Jack: It's alchemy. Had to be alchemy. Hermes is attributed with having made this rock. Okay, he's attributed with having made the rock, and he's attributed with having written the things on the rock along with having created the hermetica.

Cristina: So what else is on this rock?

Jack: Let us continue. And as all this is number three, and as all things were by contemplation of one, so all things arose from this one thing by a single act of adaptation. 4. The Father thereof is the son, the mother, the moon.

Cristina: I don't know what he's trying to say, but okay.

Jack: Number five. The wind carried it in its belly, the earth in its nurse. 6. The father of all, the perfection of the whole world is here.

Cristina: Is it him? Is he him?

Jack: Number seven. It's powerful. Its power is integrating. Its power is integrating if it be turned into earth. Its power is integrating if it be turned into earth. Number eight. Thou shalt separate the earth from the fire, the subtle from the gross, gently and with ingenuity. 9. It ascends from the earth to the heaven, and again it ascends to the earth. It descends to the earth, and again it descends to the earth. So it ascends to the heavens and descends to earth, and receives the force of things superior and inferior.

Cristina: Is he talking about himself?

Jack: Number 10, by this means you shall have the glory of the whole world, and thereby all obscurity shall fly from you. 11. Its force is above all force, for it vanquishes every subtle thing and penetrates every solid thing. 12. So was the world created. 13. From this are and do come admirable adaptations whereof the process is here in this. Hence I am called Hermes Trismegistus, having the three parts of the philosophy of the whole world. 15 that which I have said of the operation of the sun is accomplished and ended. That is all the points.

Cristina: So there's three parts, though. There's three parts. Is this one of the parts or is there a third part that we just never haven't figured out about to make a philosopher's stone? Because he just admitted that there's three parts.

Jack: He also required people to know three parts in order to talk to him which are the three different technologies and philosophies.

Cristina: Cool.

Jack: Which he just referenced the philosophy.

Cristina: So yes. Also he sounds like he's talking about the Matrix. And like once you figure out you realize you're living in the Matrix, everything's.

Jack: Which falls in line with the seven hermetic principles.

Cristina: Yes, pretty much. That is the rules to the Matrix. Once you get this, you got it.

Jack: Yeah. Like once. Once you know, you know, once you.

Cristina: Know, you know, just try to know you're in it. That's. That's all you need.

Jack: It sounds like that's what he's saying, right? That really is what he was preaching. Neo back then. He's like, it's all an illus.

Cristina: Yeah. Like he's not even saying escape it. Because he's saying, if you. Even if you leave it, you come back. You're better just by being here.

Jack: Which. Interesting point in isolation to make. I also took a lot of note of that very important point because this feels very reminiscent of what we were talking about. Yaldabaoth leaves.

Cristina: But what does that mean, Jesus mean more?

Jack: What does that mean? I think that's the becoming a God part. I think it's. No. Now I can interact with the whole program in one shot. You came back better. Now you're God.

Cristina: Yeah. Because if you just leave, that's. That's it. Because you're just whatever in that other new place.

Jack: Yeah. You're just a individual. Which is fine. So are they.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But over here, you're crazy. Something else.

Cristina: Yeah. Truly a God. Like even more so than before. Like he just.

Jack: But then my question would be, would you rather be a God in a fictional reality or an individual within reality? Ooh. That would be the argument. Right. So if you escape a simulation. Jesus. Right? He's not even real. He's just a simulation. But he can escape into an exoskeleton and live amongst the humans in an Android sort of body for. Until he can't anymore.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: He would be an individual, but he would be in reality.

Cristina: Yeah, but Hermes is saying you should come back anyway, because doesn't matter.

Jack: He's saying it does not. Nothing matters.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: His point of view is, well, if you're from over there, it matters, but we're from over here. Nothing could happen. Everything is our plaything. Yeah, well, then we gotta take a step back because we're like, oh, they're scared of Yellow Bell. And then we're like, oh, no, they're scared of the aliens. And we're like, oh, no, they're scared of Jesus. Is that who they're scared of?

Cristina: Who?

Jack: Hermes.

Cristina: Scared of Hermes.

Jack: Whoever's scared of whoever. Because it's like, no, everything is my plaything.

Cristina: Yeah, that's true.

Jack: It's like the detachment from the message is. Comes with it, you know?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's the whole. Hey, guys, I can teach you how to just manipulate reality. But also, the message here is, nothing matters. You can just manipulate reality.

Cristina: I guess, but, like, that's how he taught. Like, he doesn't care.

Jack: And they weren't doing anything about it when he was just teaching at a school and they knew he was there.

Cristina: Yeah, like, he's really whatever about it, man.

Jack: It just looks like there's people who roughly don't like each other, but, like, that doesn't mean anything. It's more like, I don't like you, but, like, we'll still trade or whatever. The. Nobody's, like, beefing hard here.

Cristina: There's no evil villain.

Jack: There's no villain. But there seems to be a direction, if anything. I mean, everybody's pointing one way.

Cristina: Yeah, but towards what? I don't know.

Jack: That's the short part. Everybody's walking in the same direction, which means following anything takes us in the same direction. Following anything takes us in the same direction. That's one thing we've learned. Everything aims in the same direction. We don't know how far in the future that direction is.

Cristina: That direction. What is that direction?

Jack: We know they're all tangled up, all heading there together.

Cristina: We need to find how to join that line. I don't know.

Jack: But he does say leave and come back. He says every side is the same.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Over there and over here. Yes, it's all equal. We could do the same things everywhere. It doesn't matter.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: That falls in line, doesn't it?

Cristina: Huh? That's really complicated.

Jack: It's another layer, dude.

Cristina: Because like what?

Jack: That's another layer. It's another layer. He's not exiting into reality. He's just moving through another part of code again.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It doesn't matter how.

Cristina: That's the only code too.

Jack: That's why it's all equal. It's the same.

Cristina: After he figured out he here, he can figure it out over there.

Jack: Exactly. If you can figure out how to move from here to Shadow without ever needing to break your code with adrenochrome.

Cristina: You can do it.

Jack: Then you could do it again anywhere and you'll never need adrenochrome. You could just keep doing it because it's the same logic, it's all the same s***. You could just manipulate the program we all exist inside of.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: D***, that's crazy.

Cristina: I don't know. It does feel like he wants to share it for sure. But it seems like the shot the known, not the shadow people. I don't know what the shadow people think. The sea people seem like they just want to keep it to themselves. Every time they try to share it, it goes bad.

Jack: It goes bad. It doesn't seem like they're greedy off malice. It seems like they are overprotective. The end.

Cristina: Yes. And then Jesus seems like he doesn't want anyone to find out because that's why he keeps giving people adrenochrome. Because there are things, not just Jesus, but other beings, other godlike beings that we call gods that are sharing. They want people to have blood, drink blood, sacrifice blood, whatever. Those are people that don't want us to get there. There are some villains.

Jack: We're not trying to stop us from getting anywhere. I think these people are just trying to get there themselves.

Cristina: Well, why are they using us?

Jack: Because it's easier than figuring out how the to become a necromancer or build a Shinto gate, which is essentially necromancy at this point, I'm assuming.

Cristina: But if you share the blood or whatever, you can't. You can never escape you, but you.

Jack: Can go to the Shadow Realm, which is still more than this, I guess. You can never die. And that's better.

Cristina: That's better.

Jack: At least to them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're okay with losing their minds as long as they live. That's people who rather have the immortality part than the. They're always gonna die. If infinity. You're gonna run out of blood at some point, no matter what. That road goes one way. Yes, it Goes one way. There's nothing else that could happen. It will default to you. Not getting it. Going feral. Losing your f****** mind. And now you're the other thing. The end.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. Not dying, but I guess. Yes. The old you. The other you.

Jack: The infinitely dying version of that.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah, okay, sure, you could just be.

Jack: A wendingo, but that's not reality. You're gonna be a wendingo for a bit, and then that's gonna go to s***. And you're gonna become a wetchudge and be some crazy rabid f****** thing forever. You're gonna stop thinking.

Cristina: You're just gonna be the one that's probably gonna murder you because of all the murder that you're doing.

Jack: Yeah, you're gonna be murdering a bunch of s*** and somebody who understands how to kill s*** like you. Boom. Now you don't exist. So you still got to the same f****** place. There's no. Wow. I didn't think about that. There's no winning. It's just extending it. But you're f***** either way.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's either a nightmare. I see. I get why it's described as h***. I get it. You have to do f***** up s*** to get it. You have to be a monster.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And, well, not to get it. You could get it by accident. Oh. But in order to sustain yourself now you got to be f***** up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So you got to be f***** up to sustain using it. Then when you go there, you have to be more f***** up to not. Because this is infinity, now you're there forever. So you died over here. Now you're there for f****** ever. Okay. The clock's ticking. You have an infinite, infinite timer that you got to keep resetting by getting more. Either generate fear or go f****** find blood. But the only way to get the blood is to generate the fear in the first place. And that's just random chance about being in the right spot at the right time that maybe you can f****** slip through and then f****** use that to scare them more. Generate more than show up and get blood. The likelihood seems astounding.

Cristina: That really sucks.

Jack: Yeah, you're gonna. No matter what it looks like, 99% of these m************ end up being feral. Shadow creature.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's no way. Like what the. And the ones that don't are one, exceptional or from the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And two, those exceptional ones. I never thought about this before because I guess we didn't think about this before, but there has to be at least some.

Cristina: Somewhat.

Jack: Some things that actually did not turn Feral after going there and didn't have special other tricks like the necromancers, who presumably have to die also. That's another reason why we're obsessed with the death part of necromancy. It appears, although it's not explicitly said anywhere, that all of them seem to have died at the end of achieving knowledge and come back with the powers of that acquired knowledge.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So just random detail, I guess that also connects to death. The fact that they have to die. This version of the list was translated by Isaac Newton. Weird random detail.

Cristina: He's a necromancer.

Jack: Seems irrelevant until we consider the fact that we chased some other irrelevant dude called Aristotle to these guys.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's like at this point, if your name is important somehow, there's something about you.

Cristina: He is a student. Is he a student? Do we know he's a student? Is he the secret nanocromancer we haven't found out that exists today? Not today. But you know. That's too random.

Jack: So what do we know for a fact about this stone? We know the color, the material. It has many accounts, by the way. There's.

Cristina: It's more than one reference to it.

Jack: Many references to it. It is the main body of work. Luckily he wasn't around. No.

Cristina: Oh, it's.

Jack: That's an interesting detail about that. That stone absolutely vanished in the 900. Just vanished. Just totally. No, no explanation. Just totally stopped being talked about. Now it seems to have to be a record of having successfully completed the philosopher's stone. I would argue that's accurate because it says the three parts and then it says the thing specifically the quotes are from this are and do cometh Admiral Adaptation therewith. The process is here in this. Hence I am called her Mistress Megistus. Having the three parts of the philosophy of the whole world, that which I have said of the operation of the sun is accomplished and ended.

Cristina: Like saying that is the third part.

Jack: I not is the third part. You're thinking about third parts? I'm thinking when he says third parts, he means Earth, Shadow and Elfame. The three studies. You should know before you even with him.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And he's saying, I've perfected the three things. I think this is him declaring something along those lines. Alternatively jumping on the line you're trying to get to.

Cristina: Is there a third part to the stone thing?

Jack: Is it the magnum opus? The hermetic seal and the.

Cristina: I don't know what it's called. The emblem. Emerald.

Jack: No, no, no. What's on There isn't Instructions. I'm not saying the Emerald tablet.

Cristina: Oh, just the blank.

Jack: I'm saying there would just be a third thing because he still mentions three things. And this sounds like reference to the philosopher's stone, not reference to necromancy. And we know that the three things are in reference to necromancy. Learn the three philosophies and the three technologies. Yes, that's about necromancy. This is about the stone, which is weird because. Is he also talking about necromancy and the stone weird? It doesn't seem like it. That's what's happening here though. So then what are the three things? You need the three things for the stone too, or are you right? And there's another, like a third part. We thought there was one and then it turned out to be two to begin with.

Cristina: Maybe this will lead us there.

Jack: It also seems like a proclamation of copyrights to some degree. I am hermit's term against this. I figured it out. I'm telling you guys.

Cristina: Yes, yes, it does.

Jack: But there's no proof of figuring it out. And again, it's made of a gold emerald fusion that can't be explained.

Cristina: I believe he figured it out. I think that's enough to say he figured it out. What more does he need?

Jack: The copies of this, the. All the people who managed to copy all the things that were there managed to do so. And those lines like the tablet. How do I put it? Those lines that you see in the tablet are referenced and split among other parts of text that are associated with Hermes. So not that tablet per se, but that fills in parts of other works, which together then gives us six works.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: If you cross reference anything into everything Hermes related.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: All the works attributed to him, all the philosophy is attributed to him. Materials like this stone that have additional texts, and you start compiling them into groups, you come up with six groups that scholars use to differentiate between the hermetic teachings. The first one is the writings of the material world.

Cristina: Okay, sounds simple enough.

Jack: Simple enough.

Cristina: It's gonna get weird though, very quickly. Okay.

Jack: The writings of the material world seems to be very focused on anatomy and earth science. Then we have the writings of the demonic world here. It immediately starts diving into alchemy, it starts diving into potions, it starts diving into mixtures. It's diving into adding things and fire and candle and this and that.

Cristina: Okay, he's a witch.

Jack: The writings of the celestial world here, it goes into enchantments, it goes into motions, it goes into ritualization, it goes into repetitive behaviors. The fourth is the magnum Opus.

Cristina: It's just in there. Okay.

Jack: The fifth is the hermetic seal. And the six only exists at the bottom of the drawing of that stone you saw, because the guy had no idea what it was. And Isaac Newton couldn't translate it either. It was too cryptic. Nobody knows what the f*** it said. And the only guy who even understood the movements enough to replicate them in his drawing is not clear if he got them accurate enough to decipher them because of how complex those the order of structure was for whatever was written there. It's not Latin. It's some.

Cristina: It's probably written in fairy.

Jack: Who the h*** knows? It looks like Latin letters, but it does not. Using a construct or Latin to what.

Cristina: The third part of this is because we have the three different.

Jack: The third collection of the not third, six collection of data. That piece, which is referenced with other work, is one of several different works associated with them. The others have no additional work to them. They just happen to be written in identically the same fashion. So because of this sixth cryptic writing, the other works that were also cryptic could be connected to it. And in analysis of. Oh yeah, this is the same handwriting. Then an entire sixth body of work that is not understood by any means.

Cristina: This is a secret six book.

Jack: It's a secret sixth book by Hermes Trismeguessis that has no explanation to what it says. And it's several pages of absolute gibberish.

Cristina: It's not gibberish. Oh, my gosh. It's the third part. It's the third part. You have to be a. You have to study the first three parts. The three parts are right there. Mark 1, 2, 3 of what you need to be a necromancer is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 has to be the stone, how to make the stone. Yes, but you have to master 1, 2, 3 to understand number 6.

Jack: Yes, definitely. Something about 1 through 5 gives you the answer to 6.

Cristina: Something. Yeah, I think so. I think so. He did it. He did it in a way that anyone. Because he wanted to teach anyone anyway, anybody who should, not just anyone can. Like we could look at it and get nothing from it. So many people probably have looked at it and got nothing from it.

Jack: Millions of people probably throughout time.

Cristina: He found it really hard probably to teach people it, no matter how much he's tried. That's probably why he just wrote it in writing and hoped that one day someone would get it.

Jack: And anybody who casually does figure it out, the more you figure out, the more you probably come across messages within all of this. It says, don't tell anybody. And that's part of. Probably part of the initiation process. The further in you go, the more secretive about it you're gonna get, because it's telling you to until said event happens and you cross paths with this guy who's been around for thousands of years. But also, by the time that happens, you're so informed, you expected it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So it's like, wow, this is really going to be the moment. Some ancient being is about to cross through that like. Like, doorway in the middle of whatever random place this series of everything took me to.

Cristina: Him meeting Santa Claus or whatever situation. Like.

Jack: But it would be Hermes, wouldn't it?

Cristina: Yeah, that's what it would be weird to imagine. Hermes meeting up with Santa Claus.

Jack: Oh, but it wasn't Santa at that point, Nick. It was just a guy.

Cristina: It's just a guy.

Jack: Just a dude who really went hard on figuring some out.

Cristina: People did figure it out. It's just a. It was very little.

Jack: It was random people, too, man.

Cristina: Yeah. How did they get their hands on it?

Jack: I'm not even sure. Merlin wasn't related to Christianity. That's just some other dude. Some dude who figured it out.

Cristina: Yeah, some guy.

Jack: Some guy.

Cristina: But that's how hard it is to figure out that it had to be random.

Jack: It's random. It has to be absolutely random. There can't be any pattern.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, dude.

Jack: St. Patrick, dude, he's a Celtic who got recruited by the Christians. They're like, d***, he figured it out. You come. Hey, man, you want to be a friend?

Cristina: Yeah, he's definitely a necromancer. He's a question about it. Yeah, for sure.

Jack: For sure. Dude, they turned to you to solve the problem. Get out of here.

Cristina: That's crazy. So there is a third part. There is six parts. It makes sense that there's six parts.

Jack: Yeah. Once it got put together like that, like, I didn't know that scholars had already divided it into groups.

Cristina: They did.

Jack: It might not mean anything to them.

Cristina: No.

Jack: But us and listeners of this show, after we've connected all these dots, we get looking at it together in the order that they themselves put it. It's like, come on, bro, you crazy. I know what we're looking at.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. We're looking at it. We're looking at all.

Jack: We're looking at how to become a necromancer and how to build the most overpowered thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: All the instructions in front of you.

Cristina: To get out of the simplified.

Jack: Yeah. To exit the matrix. Super simplified.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He made it six bullet points somehow.

Cristina: So that for sure relates to breaking the Matrix. It's.

Jack: I mean the point of a Philosopher's Stone is that it literally bends reality.

Cristina: Okay. Because just knowing all this and having necromancy power because there seems like. Unless the powers come from the stone itself.

Jack: Interesting. But it seems. It doesn't seem to be the case. It seems more to be the case that you need the stone. I don't even know what the h*** you need. So I guess it's the bend other s*** the same way.

Cristina: I guess. It's complicated. So complicated.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: There's something are powerful without the stone, but you also need to make the stone. Like it's obviously part of it. Because I would.

Jack: Maybe not. Maybe it's more like the stone. Although it will give you exactly the same powers. That's why people who have acquired the stone have still managed the abilities without having learned. It would be because the stone does have power. But the idea is maybe that's just a point of initiation. Like, well, you're gonna be equally strong to the stone as a necromancer. The stone doesn't matter to you. But making it proves you understand.

Cristina: Okay. It's a final test.

Jack: Yeah. Making it proves you get it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The test is whatever happens after the hermetic seal step, nothing else before that matters. That's the lessons. Or if six is also a lesson, then the seventh is the test, which is hand me the stone. Show me it's done, it worked.

Cristina: When you get it, I think the.

Jack: Stone is the test.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. Maybe because if you're.

Jack: It doesn't seem like they need it. It seems like they bend reality with it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like it's a casual piece of jewel, a plaque. It's your diploma. Diploma.

Cristina: That's the way to look at it. Yeah.

Jack: It's your diploma, your necromancy diploma.

Cristina: Wow. Like it. That makes sense.

Jack: And it allows. But it's also crazy because you could just bestow this power upon somebody, but also you could take it away effortlessly from them.

Cristina: The stone.

Jack: The stone. It allows you to give this to somebody knowing that they couldn't stop you from taking it back. That's interesting because once you can make the stone, the stone is the most irrelevant thing to you. The moment you can make it, that s*** is useless.

Cristina: How we're gonna guess that Adam and Eve are just stones? He made. He gave it to them. But like, they're not necromancers?

Jack: No, I don't. I disagree with that narrative entirely. I believe Adam and Eve were in fact Made by Yaldabaoth, Sizzan and Lilith.

Cristina: I do think they were without necromancers.

Jack: Without the use of necromancer. I believe they did not have the other parts. I think the magnum opus. Or not the magnum opus, because I suppose that's the earthrealm version. But I think they were trying to do it with different steps or something and that's why they weren't achieving what they needed to.

Cristina: So you're saying Adam and Eve are not perfect stones?

Jack: No, I know they're not. Because let's find the narrative real quick. Jehovah showed up on three separate occasions to collect the three different fruits so that he can in theory go make stone one and two. You needed the other fruit for what? Who did Jehovah turn out to be interacting with? Hermes. Hermes would know how to what? How to make the stone. So this guy went and got the two fruits plus the third fruit while hanging out with Hermes, the known necromancer.

Cristina: So he is involved.

Jack: Then Jesus Christ happens.

Cristina: Oh, okay. That's why. Okay, yeah.

Jack: Do you see?

Cristina: They went to him for that.

Jack: All the steps of first Adam, then Eve, then blank equals Jesus.

Cristina: The blank is Hermes.

Jack: No, the blank is the other stone before Jesus.

Cristina: Oh, the Hermes stone, though we can.

Jack: Call it the Hermes stone for sure. But Hermes has a stone, presumably? I have no idea. He probably has many.

Cristina: Yeah, exactly.

Jack: But it's different kinds of stones. Now that we know they're different kinds of stones and they do kind of things differently. So you're totally right. Oh, interesting. Yaldabaoth has the shadow stone Eloi and Sizen, or timeline wise, way back in who knows how long before the universe was made. Yaldabaoth has, or makes, I guess with the birth of the universe, the shadow stone was made. Yes, That's a weird way to put it, but that's literally what happened.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: With the birth of our universe, the shadow stone was made. Weird.

Cristina: That's weird. But yes.

Jack: Yeah, didn't think about that before, but that's a true statement. Yes, yes, yes. Then sizen Lilith and Yaldabaoth sometime from 156,000 years ago to a hundred thousand years ago, create the stone Adam and Eve and use the stone Adam and Eve to create modern day humans. So three stones so far.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then we get, oh my God, it was in front of us and we're f****** stupid. Jesus Christ went into the shadow realm to steal the stones and Jehovah went into the shadow realm to remake the stones. It's because the stones were gone. Before Jehovah showed up. Before we start with Jehovah 12,000 years ago, he begins by going into the shadow realm and getting the parts to make them stones. Why, if he had them? Because he didn't have them. Duh.

Cristina: Jesus took them.

Jack: No, Jesus is not around yet. He wasn't created.

Cristina: He took the stones. They already had the stones.

Jack: They weren't in possession of the stones. Somebody already took the stones. Jesus went into the shadow realm to take the stones. Yalabaoth already has the stones at the point that we introduced to Jehovah, trying to make new ones at some point. So really, 12,000 years ago, where we enter with Jehovah, we. We don't have Adam or Eve. They're gone already.

Cristina: They're gone.

Jack: That's why he went into the shadow realm to go get fruits to go make those stones again. Okay, we begin with Jehovah specifically, not the whole story with Jehovah. He didn't have the stones. Adam and Eve, he never had them. Eloi made both of them. Which leaves us with one culprit and an actual path to follow.

Cristina: The culprit is Yahweh. Yahweh.

Jack: If these stones are moving from generation to generation, how in the f*** did Yaldabaoth end up with them? And you're the f****** only guy. Cause it wouldn't have been Jehovah. He's thorough. If anything, he's annoyingly thorough. People don't even like how a*** this guy is.

Cristina: I need a timeline. I need to see a line and the like dates and the people and like, I don't know. I have to physically.

Jack: Yaldabaoth infinitely long ago makes the stone that makes our universe. Then 150,000 years ago, 56,000 years ago, specifically, the stone of Adam is made, and then a hundred thousand years ago the stone is used. Then a hundred thousand years ago, the stone of Eve is made and 150,000. Or no, my bad. 150,000 years ago, the stone of Eve was made. And hundred. I mean, not 150,000 years ago, the stone of Eve is made. No, I'm wrong. Adam was made 156. Used 150. Eve was made and used a hundred thousand years ago. Okay, Jehovah first goes in to get the fruits in the Shadow Realm 12,000 years ago. Loi did the same thing about 1.5 million years ago. They're both looking and trying to do the same thing. The one individual we have almost no mentions of, we have no reference points of. But if it the information and Its existence made it all the way to Jehovah. Must have made it all it to him through his father, Yahweh. Yes, Yahweh. Who knows Hermes, Yahweh, who must have either had possession of Adam and Eve and lost it, or have somehow been the reason he doesn't have it in the first place. Even if he never got a hold of it because Eloi had it. At least we know between Eloi and Yahweh, it disappeared.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And somehow Hermes is still part of that.

Cristina: That somehow.

Jack: Somehow.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yahweh might have lost the stones because we know Yaldabaoth has them. So why was Yahweh easier to take advantage of? But I feel like Loi was probably really gullible too. It was just kind of like, cool, chill. Yeah, I'll do whatever. Doesn't care. We don't know.

Cristina: There's not like so little reference. Yes, exactly. None of this makes sense. It's hard to put it together. It's there though. We're there. We're almost there.

Jack: Maybe almost where? I don't even know.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Random other detail because we're way over time. I'm really quickly rapid fire this information. In another Aristotle note, because I've been going through some of that stuff still there's so much. Apollo is referred to as Apollonius.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: It means that Apollo's a nickname.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Right. Running Apollonius through a search. Apparently he was an actual Greek man.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: So now we have a record of this guy. Right. Similar to Hermes, Apollonius was actually an individual who performed astounding miracles. Just like Hermes the God Apollo the God Hermes, Trismegistus the Dude and Apollonius the Dude were both exceptionally amazing people who accomplished things scientifically, medically and alchemically thought to be impossible. They thought this guy was going to be the Jesus of f****** Greece. I don't know how nobody connected. I don't know. I gotta look in them. I don't how nobody connected. The fact that. So I found that he's referred to this way because a lot of his notes are in Greek, but they were actually translated. People think Aristotle wrote all his work in Greek. He was writing his work in Latin a lot of the time because it was a more general language for other scholars.

Cristina: Well, so like someone else changed it.

Jack: His work was oftentimes translated back to Greek, but it wasn't originally written in Greek. So I translated to Latin first and then to English to get the proper. And it came back Apollonius and Then I ran that through and it came out with this guy who has exactly the same treatment.

Cristina: Ridiculous.

Jack: Which means now I believe it more because you got two different individuals who have the same thing. And to summarize it before we just wrap this up, that means Apollonius and Hermes can both be placed in one location at the same period of time by the same person and known to have undergone the same historical treatment. Apollo has to be looked at.

Cristina: Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Jack: We can put him in the same school in the same time frame, known by the same man. And history treated them exactly the same. They're trying to hide something from below.

Cristina: There's gotta be other people he mentioned.

Jack: Then there has to be many other people we have to look at Aristotle. There's something weird about.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: He wasn't just some guy.

Cristina: He's not just a guy.

Jack: The fact he's mentioned it all. Somebody's trying to hide something.

Cristina: There's something happening in that school. More than we know.

Jack: More than we know. More than we know. At least for sure. For sure. Side note. Side note. The school Lycium did in fact have students that later in history went to both Lycium and also went to Antonio Draco's academy, the one used to research Alicorn.

Cristina: That's weird.

Jack: Just a random line that connects to a dude who factually knows about Adrenochrome and a dude who factually knows about Alicorn. Just the ability that we could pull up names, like, I could find you student. Not that they would have known anything, considering they seem to be irrelevant nobodies.

Cristina: Maybe not all of them, but.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Like there's literal names of individuals who have their hands in both pots.

Cristina: Are we gonna have him turn up at the school?

Jack: That would be nuts, but I doubt it. It'd be crazy if we go ahead and find out that John the Russian was really just Hermes too. And he's like, here, man, here's this thing I found. Yeah, it's like, wow. Investigation, we don't know, end up on the same trail. Find out the guy who's meeting that the guy who told them who gave him the alicorn was Hermes. And then the guy he met on top wasn't even the Elysians. It was also Hermes. Like, hey, you ready for training?

Cristina: What kind of game is Hermes then? That makes Hermes sound more like.

Jack: Like Q or some.

Cristina: No, like, I guess, but Merlin with author. Like, just being weird.

Jack: Oh, yeah, Weird. Like, why are you playing games, dude? Just do the thing. Yeah, anyways, but yeah, we'll continue more next time. I would dive deeper into random crap, but that's where we are now. Anyways, if you guys have any additional details or any of this and blah, blah, blah, send us messages on our socials at just Convopod, on Instagram, Tick tock X and on Facebook, I believe.

Cristina: So remember to subscribe and review the show.

Jack: Yes, and word of mouth. We are uncovering the truths of the universe. And I know that you are very concerned that this is becoming more of a Matrix series, but, like, what else could it have been?

Cristina: Yeah, I guess if we go in.

Jack: The direction of technology, what else could it have been?

Cristina: They want us back into the fantasy world.

Jack: Like, if you go far enough in one direction into science, it will be a simulation running a time loop. That's all.

Cristina: That's all that's ever.

Jack: That's all it's gonna. It's got a default to it.

Cristina: It always is.

Jack: Yes. If you look at it enough, no matter what you're inside of some simulation, whether it be computer or a mind, a giant complicated brain or something, this is a simulation. No matter how you look at it, it's not absurd. And it's a time loop. You're just remembering the same moments over forever. Doesn't f****** matter.

Cristina: Doesn't matter.

Jack: Time loops and simulation. You're gonna repeat the same thing forever. None of it matters. The end.

Cristina: The end. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening by.

Jack: Sam.

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April 08, 2024

Rambling 270: Enoch the Honorary

April 08, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Is Enoch a Necromancer? Is he The Master Necromancer? Did he solely create the Philosopher’s Stone? The Duo deep dive into Enoch, the earliest individual they could track who’s ever used the name/title of Hermes Trismegistus. The answers that are discovered and the questions that are asked become an instant game changer.

+Episode Details

The Book of Genesis
Close Relationship with Jehovah
The Oldest Recorded Human
“Translation”
The Book of Enoch
The Philosopher’s Stone
The Man Who Knew Yawe

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today we continue the infinitely ever spiraling thing that never ends in any kind of manner, shape, or form, but continues to fall. The. The infinite rabbit hole that we have fallen into that somehow began at unicorns and went through. So much.

Cristina: So much. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah, so much.

Cristina: But now we're on to necromancers. Or we're beyond that.

Jack: No, we're still trying to hunt down this necromancer.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're trying to find out.

Cristina: We're.

Jack: Okay, we're sure. We were trying to find out if the teacher necromancer we were looking for was Hermes. Yes. But now we're unclear on who or what Hermes really is. Like, yes, he's a human, but, like, is Hermes one guy is Hermes. Multiple people?

Cristina: Yeah. Okay, so we're still on Hermes.

Jack: So we're still on Hermes. The idea is ultimately to find the answer to that question out, which I believe I actually have acquired. I believe I have found the answer to whether Hermes Trismegistus is actually the. The individual. And if that means it's one or many.

Cristina: You have all those answers?

Jack: I have all those answers.

Cristina: Okay, how do you start?

Jack: I come to you with nothing but answers. Okay, so let's begin back in the Holy Bible.

Cristina: Wow. Okay.

Jack: Enoch is a biblical figure and he is mentioned in the Book of Genesis, particularly described as the great grandfather of Noah and the son of Jared. Sweet. Who cares?

Cristina: Jared's not important.

Jack: He is, but not as important as Noah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Enoch personally knew Jehovah. Interesting language that is in the Bible. He personally knew Jehovah. Three statements that are made in this Bible that are very. Their own beliefs are so contradicting the very logic here. But I'm gonna tell you about three different things that are said in the Bible, okay. That contradict the very logic of Jehovah being some other thing. Now, first is, these are all statements from within the Bible. This is what they're conveying in their words. He personally knew Jehovah. That's 1. 2. He had a close relationship with Jehovah. Not a homoerotic relationship. Just like they were close. They were close in the way ancient bros were holding hands.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And this could all be metaphoric until you get to the third one, which is they Used to literally take walks together according to the Bible.

Cristina: That also makes sense with holding hands. I can see that it's pretty gay, but gay men, friendships holding hands. It's nothing gay about a man and a man holding hands together.

Jack: It's weird that it is gay, but it's not gay when women do it. Right. And it's such a. Like, it's so programmed into us to see it that way, but it's so gay to see it that way.

Cristina: It is pretty. I mean.

Jack: I mean, it's not to see it that way. It's just gay to see it.

Cristina: It's.

Jack: But it's. Because it's not inherently.

Cristina: It's. Yeah, it's places where men can hold other men's.

Jack: Yeah, there's actually. Yeah, there's actually places around the world. It's ab. Absolutely normal. It has more to do with a lot of these. More macho places.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the US and the western culture, we're very detached from contact in general. I mean, we kick our children out of our homes.

Cristina: Harsh.

Jack: Like, okay, you're 18. Go live, go get out, go buy a house. Meanwhile, the rest of the world is out there living extended families because it makes sense. And we're like, no, we need to hoard more. And you're in the way of that.

Cristina: Well, we're doing a lot wrong, but. And where are we?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Okay. God and him holding hands.

Jack: Yeah, go to. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Enoch and God holding hands. Now, interesting enough, we didn't think about this, but this sort of dates Enoch because he's literally hanging out with Jehovah. So we're talking 12,000 years ago to 14,000 years ago.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And this makes him about 12,000 years older than Hermes. If he is in the 14,000 year.

Cristina: Gap, where's Hermes at?

Jack: Hermes. Happened about Hermes Trismegistus as described walking in the hallways. Yeah. Happened about two, 300 years ago.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And this would have been clonking him at about 12 to 14,000 years ago. If Enoch is in fact Hermes.

Cristina: Okay. Or if the first one of them. Yeah.

Jack: If he. If he's Hermes or one of them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because that. Again, this is complicated. There is a line that is mentioned that kind of confuses the logic of this, which is it makes it sound like Hermes is in fact, it's unclear as to whether Hermes is one individual or many. That is what we're trying to solve because of that complicated sentence. Now, where were we? Translation. Weird word that comes up. This one is f****** my head. At age 365.

Cristina: His age.

Jack: Yes. Okay, so he's already had to achieve immortality by this point. He discovers how. This is literally in the Bible, bro. Enoch discovers how to translate himself.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: Into heaven.

Cristina: Into Heaven, the word. He can teleport. He can. He can do that thing. He's a necromancer.

Jack: Okay, yes, totally. The Bible is talking about the Bible. The Holy Bible is using translation as a word. It's discussing it like he is made of characters. Like he is software.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Okay, the Bible.

Cristina: Yeah. A hiccup.

Jack: They forgot to remove it. They didn't turn it into a different word. It said translation in the Bible.

Cristina: We're on the. That's where. In the Matrix.

Jack: Yeah. Weird.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And he discovered how to do that very important following sentence. So the entire thing I wrote is. At age 365, Enoch discovered how to translate himself directly into heaven, which means he learned how to get to. That's what the Bible says. But he can get to the f******.

Cristina: To Elfhame is heaven. Elfame. Yeah. I was thinking because of Enoch. I mean, not Enoch. Jehovah. That just meant he was able to access the. That world where they live.

Jack: But he's not. Jehovah isn't from Elfham. Jehovah is an Elysian.

Cristina: Yeah, that's what I mean. He went to the Elysian world because that's also takes a trance.

Jack: Yeah, but Jehovah isn't where he's trans. Oh, no. You got to listen to the entire thing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The interruption there is what confused you. Let me explain what the entirety of what I was writing was. At age 365, Enoch discovered how to translate himself directly into heaven without experiencing death. This is in the Bible. This was accomplished with a colleague of his named Jehovah, a guy that he's with now. This third part is from the Apocryphal. The apoc. The apocryph, whatever the crap. The other esoteric knowledge books, the one that Enoch wrote. Yes. The ones that aren't considered canon to his mention. Over here is where we get that. The mention of Jehovah. As a colleague, I'm suddenly aware of why he was removed.

Cristina: Okay, that makes sense. They were the best of friends.

Jack: They were the best of friends. Hermes and Jehovah.

Cristina: We're just scientists.

Jack: A lot like Szin and Eloi.

Cristina: Yep. Okay. We found his.

Jack: The question is then, was Hermes with them in the garden? Keep in mind that this guy could be anywhere and people just don't talk about him. That's part of his whole shtick.

Cristina: Hermes or Hermes.

Jack: And they'll talk about him under any other name, usually never Hermes.

Cristina: Okay, so he might be called something else on that team.

Jack: He might be somebody else on that team.

Cristina: So is it one guy, though? Does this prove it's just one dude?

Jack: No. I also have another really important thing to tell you. Really important.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I didn't have enough time to look into this because I can't find anything into it. And I tried. I tried. And I'm going to do more work on this. Specifically.

Cristina: You have something to tell me, but you can't really tell me?

Jack: No, I'm gonna tell you. I just can't dive deeper into it after I tell you. That's the problem.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He. Hermes. The depictions of him are with a robe, usually a black robe, very, you know, appropriate for the time. Assuming kind of like a Zoroastrian male with a. With a kind of, like, head scarf thing happening and robes and black. Usually walked around with a staff that had a skull thing with a part of his whole. Yeah. Part of his whole, like, goth strict thing, you know?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But there was one piece that I only found out about recently that only happened when I saw him on a tarot card. And then I looked it up. His visual representation of what people think he looks like includes everything I said with one extra detail around his waist. He has a snake wrapped around him.

Cristina: What? Do you have this photo.

Jack: I can definitely show it to you.

Cristina: He has. Okay. Magician. Oh, the magician. Oh, that makes sense.

Jack: The magician. Oh, but look at him with the snake wrapped around him.

Cristina: That is kind of hard to see, but okay.

Jack: Easy to miss.

Cristina: Okay. Whoa. Magician has a snake around him and.

Jack: He has a little alchemy thing next to him. Just throwing that out there. But yes, Hermes with the appropriate.

Cristina: He has. Is there any. Is there any mention of the snake anywhere?

Jack: What did I tell you before?

Cristina: I told you about this? I know, I know. You said that was so. It's. It's crazy. You have to find out. Okay, I know, I know. That's.

Jack: That's where I didn't realize how blind I was.

Cristina: Too blinded and too blinded by the image. It's crazy.

Jack: I told you. Who's the crazy one? Hermes has a Naga. Yeah. Or based on that image, at least people depict them with it.

Cristina: Yes. So there's gotta be someone else he's hanging out with.

Jack: Yep. Besides, now let's dive deeper into Enoch. Right. In the Book of Enoch, Enoch is recorded speaking with Uriel, Gabriel, and Michael, three Elysians, all from the Garden of Eden's research team with the express purpose of exchanging information, knowledge, and insight. Okay. He is said to be among. In the book, he is said to be among the few beings who can see into h*** and heaven. This falls in line with being a necromancer. Yep. Being able to just not to look in and just know. This is exactly what being a necromancer falls with. In line perfectly. See? Said to be the only individual at the time of the telling or who could enter and exit heaven and h*** without having to first die. This falls in line with what we talked about earlier.

Cristina: But they do die. They just. They die, but they don't die because they come back. Is that why they're not saying that he dies?

Jack: I suppose. I suppose it's more that you're not actually dying. It's a metamorphosis of sorts, and it sends you somewhere else.

Cristina: Yeah. But then when they describe Jesus, they think he died and he went up to heaven. But even though they physically saw.

Jack: But keep in mind, there's two different things happening here with Jesus. There's a bunch of narrative manipulation taking place.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's altering the living out of it. It's less Morse happening. It's less so happening with Enoch because.

Cristina: They just removed it.

Jack: They just removed it. Ignored a lot of the other details. We could just find a bunch of the. In there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But with Jesus, it was meticulously altered in every possible angle.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

Jack: Additionally, he's literally described as inexplicably entering and having and dining with celestials, entering heaven and dining with celestials and casually roaming the depth of h***, encountering the wicked souls.

Cristina: But what do you think he's really doing with the heaven part? You really think he's going to the real world?

Jack: I think he's entering Elfim. I think he has a way to, like, pop up on your screen, and that's the equivalent to leaving or taking over a robot and focusing on this side. Although I'm sure he could simultaneously be over there as an AI or whatever the crap is happening.

Cristina: It's very strange because it seemed like we saw or we don't really know what happened to the other people that left. It just seemed like they left and that. That.

Jack: Yeah, like they stopped being here. And that's weird, right? Because it's inconsistent.

Cristina: Jesus, we have no. We. It feels like he's still here and like he's working in the background somehow.

Jack: Yes. And I would argue they're all doing that. And we know because if you think of more recent individuals like St. Nicholas, we're more aware of. They're still working, you know, So I.

Cristina: Didn'T think like, if you're better at.

Jack: It, you're more in the shadows.

Cristina: But you think so the. The God.

Jack: Are they the Illuminati? That's crazy, bro.

Cristina: That's complicated. But the necromancers, the other ones, they can go into Alpha?

Jack: Yes, presumably.

Cristina: Okay, because I thought they can only go there to travel through easily. That's what I saw. Not actually SO two hang out there.

Jack: I thought so too.

Cristina: He's having dinner. Or whatever that appeared.

Jack: Oh s***. I didn't consider what that literally meant.

Cristina: Yeah, I don't know.

Jack: But like, how is he dining with them?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Unless they are also just another level.

Cristina: I don't know what that means.

Jack: The Bible literally talked about it like a program.

Cristina: Well, they talk about the getting there, but what's he actually doing when he's there? We have no idea.

Jack: Yeah, because maybe he's not exiting the overall thing. Maybe he's going to yet another layer. Yeah, maybe this is that kind of domino effect of the many. You know, the matrix that is just one on top of the other, on top of the other, on top of the other. And it doesn't matter is a billion of them. It's more likely you're in the illusion than you are in reality type of situation.

Cristina: Gosh, so complicated. Okay, for sure. Wow. He's just eating dinner there.

Jack: Yep. Abilities. Things that we know Enoch personally can do.

Cristina: Talk to the dead. I don't know.

Jack: That sounds absurd. It's the largest list we've come across yet. Thus sort of reassuring the further back we go. The Enoch has the ability to see all events of the future and alter events long before their encounter. That already sounds. Sounds like God just talking.

Cristina: Just saying that doesn't make any sense.

Jack: According to the freaking Bible, bro.

Cristina: So then did he do Jesus? Is this his evil plan? I don't understand. He can see. Like what?

Jack: I don't know. I guess there's also a seeming detachment from these individuals that they don't really interact with much. They just kind of do their own thing. Think about it. They're all established and then what? They just.

Cristina: He was close friends with a guy.

Jack: Working on Jesus and totally removed from it. He sounds like a Naga himself. Like he's just there. Oh, you need my help? Sure, whatever, dude. I don't care.

Cristina: Maybe find out. No, he can't be a Naga.

Jack: Oh no, because he has a Naga.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Can enter and exit elf fame and the shadow Realm effortlessly said to be able to communicate directly with beings of Elfhame and gain insight without having to leave. Earthrealm, believed to be the most powerful alchemist, could create the philosopher's stone. Now, this is a very important line. It made it here because I couldn't put it anywhere else because I didn't have a lot of room to break this down any farther. But it's the most important piece of this information we're gonna come across. This next line comes from a medieval text that claims to be taken from a Zoroastrian text that claims to have been a direct mention from Aristotle, that claims to have been a note from Greek mythology that dates all the way back to Enoch. Again.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: All right.

Cristina: That's very complicated.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. This bounced a lot before it got to where it was going. Because there's no initial point. You have to kind of follow it from where it is now. There's no other line that would kind of hint to you that this is even relevant information anywhere else. So it is believed, according to this medieval text that pointed to all the other sources that slowly kind of confirmed it collectively, that Enoch. This is the. The answer to the question right here, by the way.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It is believed that Enoch perfected the philosopher stone's creation with the addition of the Hermetic seal. The magnum opus was not his. No, the Hermetic seal was. Enoch is Hermes. And Enoch didn't solely create the philosopher's stone. No, but we know this because something predated him by a lot. Which means until Enoch, AKA as established in that Hermes, until he showed up.

Cristina: It wasn't perfect, which I guess would be Adam. And then he helped make Eve.

Jack: No, no, because that was too long ago. He's with Jehovah, not with Eloi.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. I thought Eve was much younger than Adam.

Jack: For some reason, she is 50,000 years, but that's still 150,000.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. These timelines. Okay.

Jack: Yes. But there is one individual that's absolutely overpowered that we still theorize, required a third stone. And we just read a line that said Enoch literally knew Jehovah, the Elysian leader of the research team, the Garden of Eden. And they made. What?

Cristina: What? Who? Jesus.

Jack: Jesus.

Cristina: He helped make Jesus.

Jack: He helped make Jesus.

Cristina: He knew that. I'm so confused, because he could see everything. Why would he do it?

Jack: He was uninvested. He was uninvolved. It means nothing to him.

Cristina: That's so crazy. They had such a close relationship. It makes no sense. I guess he. Yeah. He must not felt anything. He's like, science bro.

Jack: Yeah, science bro. Like, I can't. Maybe there's a code. I can't. I can't tell you the future. Yeah, I'm not allowed to. We could be homies and I could help you and whatever, but I'm not. I'm not allowed to warn you.

Cristina: That's insane, because they sound super close. Yeah, it sounds like they were not saying nothing because he must have known.

Jack: He must have known.

Cristina: Or like maybe he warned and they still were. Like Nala's.

Jack: But then we look at what Jesus is, and maybe he did tell him and this is still part of the plan. Keep in mind, there's one part of this that's crazy. There's one part of this that's crazy. And we began with this a long time ago. We discarded it jokingly, but we began. And it's now coming back into view. We joked about it and it wasn't even considered seriously. But keep in mind that there. This all comes from research that began at loi. Has there been a plan the whole time? That's still unfolding. AKA the perfect plan.

Cristina: But perfect human. What's the point?

Jack: I don't know what the plan is. I just know that this is part of the plan.

Cristina: So you think Jesus is still part of the plan?

Jack: I don't know. I'm just like. All of this connected so seamlessly from beginning to end, all these pieces fall together.

Cristina: He knows and he knows. Like, it's still fine. Even if it might scare whatever might be happening. It's still. Yeah, like, it's still. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

Jack: So it's like. Oh, crap. You have the next step. Oh, good. Okay, gamers. There's a game called Outer Wilds.

Cristina: Maybe. I feel like. I think Outer Wild sounds right.

Jack: Yeah, I think so. It's a game where you. It's a puzzle story game. And in that there is the knowledge that they're gonna destroy the universe. But in the pursuit of science, they sort of have to, because. What's the next step?

Cristina: Oh, my God.

Jack: You know, what's the next step? We gotta push it. We gotta push it further. I was thinking about this conversation about billionaires. Billionaires work the same way. You know, you begin with the simple idea of. I says, you know, I want to make a company that works, but you're ambitious and once the company works, what do I do now?

Cristina: Make another company.

Jack: Make another company. Well, Now I got 30 companies making companies sucks.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Well, I need a super mega bigger company that's Going to run that and make other. It's going to breed companies. I'm going to stop buying companies and make companies out of nowhere, just random f****** companies. But I got all the companies. And what happens? Well, the argument that I was having led to, well, these are the people who sort of become ultimately the shady individuals who run the world. Right? Because you're just trying. You're so ambitious, you got to go to the next thing. But what's after a company, okay, Politicians, you got a little sketchier now. You're a little more behind walls, but. Okay, what comes after that? Little by little now, you know, the higher up you are, you could see it a little better. You can see the next. You can see the next up a little better. But all the way from down here. That's too high up. How do we see it?

Cristina: What's the up there thing?

Jack: The next step?

Cristina: Okay, you first.

Jack: It was companies. That was many companies, and it was super mega companies. And it was eventually.

Cristina: It's children's blood somehow.

Jack: Somehow. But this not. Yeah, I guess in this scenario, that would lead to children's blood. But literally, in the case of Jehovah and in the case of Hermes, in the case of all these individuals, maybe it's not even that they are different parts. Maybe it's a unit. Maybe Hermes had to be Hermes. And there was always a Hermes, because there's another pattern that seems to always form. They all have a f****** Naga. What the f***? They all have a Naga. And they're all sort of working towards kind of sort of the same more or less thing. Right. What the f*** is that? They're all kind of sort of doing the same thing for no reason.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We're all kind of sort of doing the same thing. Yeah. Even now we're still doing it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We're all kind of sort of doing the same thing, kind of aiming at this. At this thing that we couldn't. None of us can name. I'm sure somebody can, though.

Cristina: Yeah. This other life that we're creating right now is AI, though.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. But it's all part of the on moving. And there's shadier, bigger, greater forces also, but those forces are also just another part of this kind of infinitely larger machine. And that again, Jehovah and Hermes were friends, but because they had to be. Because it was part of this thing that had to happen.

Cristina: It had to happen. Yeah.

Jack: Because literally Susan and Eloi were. Because literally Yaldabaoth brought them together. Yaldabaoth Literally said, go find my son. Yes, go, go. Start working together or something.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Figure things out. You need to meet him.

Cristina: Mad bromance, but mad science.

Jack: Mad science.

Cristina: But what's the end goal?

Jack: What's the end goal? That's the only question we have. No, we've never even been close.

Cristina: Not even.

Jack: Not even close. S***'s ridonkulous.

Cristina: But if Jesus is involved, what does that mean? There's too many still questions about what's currently or what's going to happen. I guess.

Jack: Yeah, it's. Yeah, it's like. It's too fuzzy. It's too fuzzy. It's unknown. But it's mind blowing that just this line provides so much information.

Cristina: So it is one dude. Did you solve that problem? You said you were gonna answer that. I don't know if I answered that.

Jack: Yes, this answers that.

Cristina: It is one dude.

Jack: It is one dude. Because Hermes is Enoch. Enoch perfected the philosopher's stone by adding the additional step, the Hermetic seal.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The Hermetic seal. Named after Hermes.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. Tada. Amazing.

Jack: So it's always been the same guy?

Cristina: It is. Okay.

Jack: Immortality is a m***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now, other things I found relative to his abilities. He had the ability. We've read this about necromancers before, but this is something that Enoch could do. So just to confirm farther. This is why I put this after that line. Because now it's just too obvious. He could drag beings in and out of H*** and Elfame.

Cristina: He's the word drag beings.

Jack: Yeah. He could like, literally go in and pull them across without them having to die for both Elfame, essentially. So heaven and for h***. So the shadow realm.

Cristina: That's pretty crazy. So he's op. He could drag various.

Jack: Well, this is an interesting. Actually, I read that wrong. He could drag beings from Earthrealm into the shadow realm, and he could drag beings from the shadow realm into Earthrealm. So between Earthrealm and between the shadow realm. Because the next line is the one that's about Elfame, which is he could trap beings from Elfame in either the shadow realm or the Earth Realm.

Cristina: How? It was fairy trees.

Jack: How it was literally described was, is that he can stop souls from returning to heaven.

Cristina: Ah, Cherry.

Jack: He's making sure he can make fairy trees.

Cristina: Interesting. He can stop there. Okay.

Jack: He can stop souls and angels.

Cristina: Yep. Whoa. And angels.

Jack: You can stop souls and angels from getting to heaven.

Cristina: How does that even make sense?

Jack: Okay, additional points. Enoch was known for frequently teaching youths the lessons he'd learned and the disciplines he'd acquired through his travels and his exceptionally long life. This is reading from medieval texts.

Cristina: Okay. Which makes sense because like the current Hermes or the one in. Where is it? Greece.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: He's just teaching people.

Jack: He's just teaching people. Which falls in line with what these people are talking about, Enoch, thus tying those two individuals together. We're really calculating this guy. He might be the only individual which we have at two points this far apart other than Loi, that we could be like, that is really the same dude. Because the furthest distance before then we had were the St. Patrick and. And St. Nicholas.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Which seemed to be relatively active in these times. And still back then. That's 2000. Ish. A little less than that time period. And the other was Jehovah himself. That clocks in at 12,000 years ago, 14,000 years ago, 6,000 years ago, and then again at some point like 4,000 years ago. But this now has Hermes as the longest, other than he's now second place, longest living. Third, if we consider Lilith. Oh. Because it would be Loi clocking in at 3.5 million years, then Lilith clocking in at, weirdly enough, like a hundred and fifty thousand years ago, and then landing again at twelve thousand years ago. And then. Well, actually LOI would be 3.5 million, then 150,000 than 100,000. And then we don't hear from him. Lilith would be 150,000. 100,000. I guess she actually has the largest gap because Lilith jumps from 100,000 all the way to 12,000 years ago. That's an 88,000 year gap.

Cristina: That is a crazy gap.

Jack: She has the second longest behind. Yeah, for sure. Because Loi has millions. Then it's Lilith. So she might be worth looking for because she's touching.

Cristina: She's a necromancer now. Like, we don't. We haven't even thought about that.

Jack: No. Because she's a. A gin.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

Jack: There's something weird about her. There's something. But also sizzle seems to have been like, around bro.

Cristina: Yeah. It doesn't seem like gins have life like we have life. Like they're. They don't have the same. They could probably live forever just naturally because their world is so different from ours.

Jack: Interesting. And that's why necromancers must connect to that.

Cristina: To live forever.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: To live as long. I don't know. Like if they can live forever.

Jack: Yeah. I have no idea.

Cristina: But they can live very long.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Especially with Hermes now. He doesn't seem to be clocking in as long as somebody like Lilith or.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or Eloi, but he's still coming in at. That's pretty. A hefty 14, 000 years. Yeah, some. Pulling in some strong numbers. You're around here longer than Jesus, my dude.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Jesus by like, a while. Yeah, you know, by a while.

Cristina: And then we hear him. More recent than Jesus, too.

Jack: We hear him. We clock him at 14, and at 12. We then clock him at 2,300, and then we clock him in at about 200, and then we clock him in at about 700, and then there's no mention of any other individual going by the name of Hermes again. Okay, so he must be dead or going by a different name, which. That means he'll just pop up again because that's a huge gap of time. In every one of those instances, he just dips, vanishes, pops up somewhere else.

Cristina: But always Hermes. No, no, but the nickname is given to him eventually. Is that what's happening?

Jack: So an interesting fact about the name. The name was given to him by Yahweh.

Cristina: What?

Jack: As an honorary Elysian title.

Cristina: It's a title.

Jack: Now, I Obviously, I always. Correct. Based on the knowledge we know. So let's rephrase this. As it's stated, he is given this title by God as stated Yahweh, written at that instant. Yahweh. You know, he's written differently all the time. Written Yahweh in this instance, which we know is Jehovah's Father, by the way, which dates Hermes even farther.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. How is that possible?

Jack: And we don't know how far back that day. Something.

Cristina: Then how does man. He has to have been involved with the other book that came before. What is it? The. The thing. That thing. The. The. The first step before the seal.

Jack: The magnum opus.

Cristina: Yes. Like, even if he didn't write it, he was probably involved in it somehow. If he's that ancient.

Jack: Well, no, because. Because he's human. Therefore, he's from the realm that the first instant made El. Yaldabaoth made the Garden by killing the people in. Well, he made the Forest of Shadows by killing the people of El Fame in there and thus creating the Earth. Yeah. With the Isle of Man being the opposite side and sort of the birthplace of the Earth realm.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And thus Yaldabaoth made the first steps.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He would have to. Okay, now, he didn't know he did. But he did.

Cristina: But he wrote the book.

Jack: I don't know if he. Hermes, wrote the book. Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And he wrote the magnum opus. He wrote it down. Keep in mind, when Zosimos found it, people were attributing it to him as well, calling him the father of alchemy. But now we know that was Hermes.

Cristina: Okay, that's what I was wondering.

Jack: And we know that Zosimos was telling them that even in the notes, it was stating that it was discovered.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Not created. So whoever wrote the notes also discovered it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And now we could just confirm, based on this information, Hermes wrote the notes that Zosimus discovered and that the Elysians had it with them because they were so close to Hermes, that when they left. Because where did Zosimos find the magnum opus?

Cristina: Their old home.

Jack: At their old home of the shores of the Persian Gulf oasis.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: All these f****** dots connect in such a web.

Cristina: Pretty.

Jack: Makes sense, but it makes sense. So Hermes wrote it. And here we have Zosimus literally telling everybody not only did I not make it, the guy who I found this from didn't make it.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And they're all like, oh, no, you're the father of alchemy. But really, it was Hermes. But really, Hermes studied. What? He saw something else do the original. He didn't see the original do it, but he must have seen either. Loi. But I think that's too long ago. But we're bridging something interesting, and I think this is where the next step goes. If he is the first necromancer, he is the godfather of necromancy, the creator of necromancy, and the teacher of the only possible three we can confirm in a possible fourth, then Lilith is who we have to focus on, because she is the only person who would fit in the time frame and the only person who would have seen the stone from within. The first point and the second point. If Jehovah has stones and we see him going to get the fruit to recreate them, and then Eloi actually had them at the time that they made the Stone of Adam and the Stone of Eve, then these two individual moments are unrelated. But there is one person that's related to both moments and the other person that would have maybe crossed paths because. Because necromancy somehow takes you through that world would have been Hermes going to the shadow realm and crossing paths with Lilith, who no longer associates with Jehovah. But no, she then does associate with Jehovah. So does she introduce Hermes to Jehovah?

Cristina: I don't know. She tricks them, though, doesn't she, to use the stone herself.

Jack: She did that with Eloi.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So confusing. Okay. And then they let her back in.

Jack: Jehovah had no problem with her.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And again, it's weird because I don't know if Hermes interact with Eloi at all. We have two now individuals, now that we think about it. We have Hermes and Lilith, who interacted with two different Loi. Loi. Loi and Yahweh. Loi.

Cristina: Oh, that's weird. That's very weird. But what does it mean to the timeline?

Jack: I don't know what does it mean to the timeline? But we know it was a name given to him.

Cristina: Hermes. Yes.

Jack: Title Enoch was the name given to him by Yahweh. By God. Yahweh, as an honorary saint.

Cristina: Oh, Enoch was.

Jack: Enoch is the name given to Hermes.

Cristina: Oh, I thought it was Hermes.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: Enoch is the biblical name given by Yahweh the Elysian. This is their type of way of speaking.

Cristina: Okay. They gave him the title Enoch. Okay.

Jack: They gave him the title Enoch, but he was Hermes. Yeah.

Cristina: And then he was still Hermes when he was teaching at the school.

Jack: He was always Hermes because he's always Hermes. His name the only. Keep in mind, Enoch doesn't have last name. Weird. So is that his first name or is that his last name? Because her mistress Magistus has a first and last name.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Okay, that sounds like a person versus this title Enoch.

Cristina: I guess. I guess.

Jack: Fascinating, right?

Cristina: Yeah. He's got more abilities. Or that's all the abilities. All the important abilities.

Jack: Yeah. I already went through his abilities. The abilities ended when we were talking about. Oh, no, never mind. There was one extra one I totally spun out after I told you that he could trap beings from Alfim. There was one more.

Cristina: What is that?

Jack: This is probably the most important thing.

Cristina: That I told you were just gonna skip.

Jack: I was totally gonna forget about this. I got distracted. This is a weird one, because this language, I didn't even know how to translate it. So we're gonna talk about it. But we know what the h*** it means. But I didn't want to mess it up. I wanted to just put it as it is, and then we're gonna make the obvious conclusion on this one. He could. I don't know why drag was so often used here, but he could drag untainted souls to h***. That's such obvious language that I am. Like, what? Because you're violating everything we know now.

Cristina: Taking good people into. Taking good, innocent people into h***. That's what he said.

Jack: He can take untainted souls to H*** yeah. Now, drag was used, but I'm sure it doesn't literally mean that. I'm sure that this was showing up in these texts. These are biblical texts. That's why they're showing up this way. As opposed to what's probably happening, which is what we know that others have done. Which is like the Judge, he can make a way for people to go.

Cristina: Through the shadow realm.

Jack: The shadow realm without ever having consumed any adrenochrome. That's a whole other level of overpowered.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the Judge saw a rift somewhere. Yeah, just a hole.

Cristina: So you can just. He. You could probably just see these rifts.

Jack: Well, what was that rift to begin with? We never talked about it. That's just a hole.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: This is the hole connecting to the shadow realm. It's a gambin, A code somehow. And you could just step through a place where you'd have to go through a whole process to die first and then get into.

Cristina: Can sense these holes or something. Maybe. Or is it them? Or make them.

Jack: Keep in mind. They could just slip to themselves. Why aren't they just. Are they literally just messing with the fabric? They could just suck whatever.

Cristina: That is crazy. That's too powerful. I mean, they're already Dr.

Jack: Strange. Dr. Strange everywhere. Just whatever I want.

Cristina: That's. That's. Negro mantors are ridiculous.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: This.

Jack: It seems like there's no limit to.

Cristina: How exaggerated they are messing with time. But he can also see the future. He can see everything. He can do he. How's he not a God?

Jack: This sounds like he's a God.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: This also explains why he would be so removed from giving a crap. Additional details. Hermeticism is attributed purely to Hermes Trismegistus. That's an important weird thing that is not attributed to anybody else. Hermeticism is attributed as having been written by Hermes Trismegistus, which is.

Cristina: He's just explaining how the world reality works.

Jack: How reality works. And it goes in two parts. And there is said to be a third part which used to be one of the two parts which would be the hard part. And the secret part. Right now there's the hard part and a simplified part.

Cristina: There was a secret part.

Jack: Well, the secret part is what nobody gets taught. Like how to be an echo master, presumably.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Old magic. Exactly.

Cristina: Yes. Which I guess would be. The secret part is learning how to use those things that you just.

Jack: Yes, exactly. How to use those parts.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Because the rules were you have to learn and understand this stuff. Presumably what he meant by the tools, by the technologies and the philosophies of the three realms is really truly understanding hermeticism.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that would then give you the tools that he could then provide the last piece to you.

Cristina: That's crazy. I like it. I like it.

Jack: And it seems that he works this way a lot because again, he found some. He's an innovator. He finds a system and he adds something to make it better.

Cristina: That's amazing.

Jack: That's amazing.

Cristina: It really is. It's really cool.

Jack: The only three individuals we can honestly, truthfully and factually confirm to, most likely based on all this information, be his students. Because they don't fall under, it seems, his name. And it seems their motives don't line up with his whole I' ma teach.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And their locations don't line up with his, and their behavior don't line up with his. They don't go by his name. No. But there's nothing tying them. At least location would have done that, if nothing else. But not even.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So this by default. And because they don't seem as overpowered, it seems that St. Patrick, St. Nicholas and Merlin, all three are lower grade necromancers. Students of.

Cristina: Still pretty powerful.

Jack: Still overpowered, all of them.

Cristina: But yeah, nothing compared to him. Yeah.

Jack: At least in scale. More powerful than Elysians by just default.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which is crazy because we calculate Elysian power on the Kardashev scale for how exaggerated they are.

Cristina: They the same? Is one above the other or.

Jack: That's interesting because I would argue Jesus is above the other three. But I don't know where Jesus stands next to Hermes, because now we have a true question of power. Right? Where do those two individuals stand next to each other? It's hard to compare crap from Alfame. It doesn't make sense in sentences like how the h*** am I going to compare? Like a human from the real world and an AI. Like what the f*** am I talking about? But now Jesus versus Hermes, we're talking the same level, more or less.

Cristina: Yeah, it feels like it.

Jack: And Jesus's humanity allows him to be the necromancer. Use the abilities he could have maybe gathered the same way Hermes did.

Cristina: He has to be more powerful. He has to be. He's. I forgot, he's a. He's not just human.

Jack: If it wasn't for. If it wasn't for the fact that we hear from Hermes about 300, 200, 300, and about 700 years after the death of Christ. If it wasn't for that reason, I would have assumed that, like Glycon, Hermes became Jesus. Jesus as part of the process. This was the next step for him. I can't disprove it. This is the theory I was trying to work with because it was working in my mind, but it in my quest. I disproved it because I clocked Hermes at different points, conflicting with Jesus's points.

Cristina: So crazy. But okay, it's not that crazy. So they're not the same.

Jack: No, because we can clock also Hermes and Jesus being mentioned beyond the death of Jesus, which, yes, too bad for you Christians. Jesus is mentioned in other texts after his death in other places quite a while later. If you guys didn't know, you can go look that up. But they. They kind of ran together in different locations at the same time with absolutely different purposes, thus confirming individuality. Yeah.

Cristina: Awesome. Okay.

Jack: Yeah, I was working towards an awesome idea. I was like, totally.

Cristina: This is pretty awesome.

Jack: It's starting to look this way, man.

Cristina: It was. It makes sense. I see. But.

Jack: But no, it's not.

Cristina: Okay. So we still don't know who's the most powerful.

Jack: We don't know who's the most powerful. Now, there is an additional note to make here and we will close on this last bit piece, which is it's possible that if you look at how stories of vampires go, they seem to be very related to Jesus, very related to the whole blood drinking, the whole this, the whole that. But if you really look at stories of Dracula, the ancient vampire, different to all the other vampires, the focus is entirely different. It's less about the blood drinking, it's more about all his other abilities. His ability to just stare at you and hypnotize you. The fact that he's infinitely old in an unfathomable fashion. The fact that he's so intelligent and so wise, and the fact that other vampires are just vampires, but he seems to have abilities and powers.

Cristina: They're like zombies. More the other vampires, they're like animals. Wild animals.

Jack: No, I mean sophisticated vampires. If we consider only all the sophisticated vampires. Not vampires around Dracula.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Because you're talking about his bat children. Yeah, they're animals.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: That was his experience.

Cristina: He could turn into wild animals. Not just bats, but like dogs and.

Jack: But now think of even in those stories, what's happening? What was he trying to do even with his children. Perfect. It. The story was the same. The point is the same because I think the narrative is the same. Keep in mind Dracula isn't the first instance of vampire. It's just the one that told the best story. So we're most familiar with it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But Dracula is still based on the elder vampire. And that's a story that's always been around. And the elder vampire is essentially all the characteristics.

Cristina: Like. Are you saying Jesus might also be trying to do what these other people. Because we don't know what he's trying to.

Jack: We don't know. I don't know what Jesus trying to do do. I'm just saying that the stories of Dracula, a vampirism, but specifically Dracula, might be inspired by Hermes, not Jesus. Because the other sophisticated vampires are inspired by Jesus. Yes, the one original, but the one that's about him being ancient and very private and dark and secretive. And you don't know anything about him. And him just looking at you and you just hypnotized. And these vampires not. He makes this. Them look stupid. He could, you know, magic and tricks and poof and whatever. And it's like that's a whole different focus than the ones that, oh, I just got powers. I'm faster and stronger and I could bite you. Like two different ball games. Even if they're both technically vampires.

Cristina: Yeah. So Dracula might be Dracula might be Hermes.

Jack: Yeah, Dracula's. Dracula's literally just the elder vampire. And the elder vampire is an ancient Celtic story.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: About an ancient vampire. It was ancient back then when it was told about an ancient vampire, Hermes. It was just about that kind of guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Maybe specifically him or somebody else who found another way using what we're listening to in that dialogue. Vampire. We know how they got there, but would. At that point they wouldn't be. But then that's crazy because if the elder vampire story is not literally Hermes, then I just randomly talking crazy, concluded that there's maybe another not good version of Hermes that isn't Hermes. That might have actually been the true inspiration behind.

Cristina: I don't.

Jack: The elder vampire story.

Cristina: That's not Jesus.

Jack: It's not Jesus. I guess Jesus would be the most likely than. Yeah, he would be more likely than Hermes. Because Hermes doesn't seem like in the blood that way. Other than the murder part.

Cristina: Well, that could be in the blood. I mean, people disappear around him.

Jack: Yeah, but Dracula drinks blood, so maybe.

Cristina: Their guess on what's he doing with all these bodies. Jesus drinks blood, but the bodies lose blood either way.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: To make the stones. Yeah. There's bodies with no blood.

Jack: There's drains.

Cristina: They can be like, how did that happen? They're not going to conclude.

Jack: Oh yeah, you find a bunch of. But hitting it so on the nose is probably because they were right and because the situation. They saw it. They could have guessed anything. They were right. So they didn't guess the right answer. They saw the right answer. That's why they were right. Which means Jesus, not Hermes. Right. Because Jesus would be the one trying to get in the homies of Jesus. So I think the elder vampire would be that. I don't think they would just conclude incorrectly the right answer.

Cristina: Isn't that what you're saying, if it's Jesus?

Jack: No, I'm saying that they would have literally just seen and been talking about Jesus.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So they knew. Not they guessed and thus got it right, but rather they knew the right answer. Okay, they weren't guessing. You said they guessed the right answer.

Cristina: Well, they. No, they weren't guessing the right answer because they were wrong. If they were guessing he was biting them, but Hermes wasn't biting them because he was using their blood to make a stone. Not to.

Jack: Oh, yeah, but they would have been guessing the other guy's story. Yeah, that's what I was getting. Yeah, yeah, that's what I was trying to get to. They would have been guessing the other guy's correct story for that same situation.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Thus meaning that other guy's story that matches the already existing description.

Cristina: Okay. So it has to be Jesus.

Jack: Yeah, it's probably the right one. So I was probably wrong. I made that note thinking it made sense, but in talking about it, I have convinced myself out of it, and now it makes. Because Hermes is not associated with drinking blood.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Jesus is literally trying to convince individuals to do that. Not for nefarious reasons necessarily, but his method involved it.

Cristina: Yes, for sure. There's got to be some. Something there. Yeah. So he's not. He's not Dracula.

Jack: Oh, he's not Dracula. I was excited about that one, too. D***.

Cristina: No, I'm not. I'm not happy about that. I wish. I wish, but I wish he was.

Jack: Well, Jesus was. It's fine. Hermes. Apparently many people and apparently old as h*** and apparently new Yahweh. Which means look more into Hermes because.

Cristina: Maybe somehow we can get a mention, connect to Lilith.

Jack: We got to see if he can connect to Lilith and if he can connect to Yahweh. Interesting.

Cristina: We might have something. Yeah.

Jack: Following Hermes down the rabbit hole now.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: All right, if you guys have any additional information to give us on any of this stuff, feel free to shoot that our way on our socials at just convop. That is on TikTok on X on Facebook, on Instagram and remember to subscribe.

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Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister. With social media managed by Amber Black.

March 30, 2024

Rambling 268: Hermes

March 30, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who is Hermes Trismegistus? Is he somehow connected to the figures we have uncovered? Is he our Master Necromancer? The duo unpack what is known and what is hidden about Hermes and his secret teaching. What’s uncovered and what it implies once again alters everything we thought we knew!

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Topics Discussed:

The Hermetica
Secret Teachings
Aristotle
Three Prophets
Hermetically Sealed
The Magnum Opus

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