Rambling 271: The Hermetic Works
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How’d Hermes Acquire his Philosopher’s Stone? Was he alone? And what is this strange tablet? The duo continue to deep dive into Hermes Trismegistus’ works and history in an everlasting quest to understand the purpose of ancient advanced civilizations.
+Episode Details
- The Original Hermetic Philosopher’s Stone
- Angelic Gift
- Collaboration
- Discovery
- The Emerald Tablet
- The Guide to Necromancy
- Six Major Works
- Apollonius
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+Transcript
Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.
Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.
Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And I'm still baffling, baffled about the same. Baffling ideas relative. Infinitely digging into a hole that I don't know at this point if it's more about Hermes or more about Jesus or what the h***. There's some. Something else we should be pointing no, there's something we should be pointing at that we don't know what it is that they're kind of all dancing around and getting us closer to. That's ultimately what's happening here. We're getting closer to something like the.
Cristina: First necromancer or something. Something else.
Jack: I don't know if knowing who the first necromancer is matters necessarily. Or maybe it does. You don't know what information matters because we don't know what we're looking for.
Cristina: No.
Jack: Like, are we looking for something in the past? Are we looking for something in the present? And we're looking for a plan, a purpose, a goal, a person?
Cristina: There's nothing to find in the present. Or is there? I don't think there's any. There doesn't seem to be anything.
Jack: Antonio Draco was quite recent. That was just the 1700s. That ain't that crazy.
Cristina: That's kind of old. 1700. That's the most recent.
Jack: The battle that took place directly over the. Where the palace of Alcaraz was in the Persian Gulf oasis. That was in the 80s.
Cristina: Oh, really?
Jack: The tanker war.
Cristina: Okay, that's not that far.
Jack: It's not that far.
Cristina: What does it mean?
Jack: What does it mean? Right?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And whatever's happening with Israel and Palestine, I think that's related, man. I think that's related because you got to think about it. I was giving this real thought. Maybe we talked about this on the show, but before, I don't even know. My thought about this was we think just look at the order of events, right? Israel just attacking and wrecking these people in here. Totally genocide level. Israel's a bad guy for sure, but maybe not. Let's think about this, right? Israel's just, quote, murdering these people or whatever is happening there. We don't have eyes on it. We don't know what's happening, okay? The other countries know about it and do nothing and they tell us, oh, yo, yeah, your opinions are valid. And blah, blah, blah. And then they do nothing. It's because either what they're. What's actually happening, they're not telling us. And these, our leaders know too, what's really going on. What's really going on. And they're like, no, believe what you got to believe. I don't. Maybe. Maybe it's not even a bad thing that they're doing. Maybe there's. Because this is my other thought. We're looking at Israel, which most likely is somehow connected to the Elysians. If we're talking about this right. And we're looking at the Egyptians, which are the other side. The Egyptians are the other wall. They're the only other exit point for not doing anything. And they're literal. Thing is you guys aren't doing anything wrong. But why now? Borders is what they said. These people can get away through water if they f****** want. Whatever.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: I mean, who knows if they make it. I don't even know. Or if the Wabotters are patrolled, whatever the case might be. But think about the logic here. Maybe they're holding something in there.
Cristina: What?
Jack: That's.
Cristina: What.
Jack: Maybe it's a prison cell to hold something in there. Maybe there's. That's the actual focal point to something.
Cristina: To something. To something trying to keep in there.
Jack: To something that they're trying to keep in there.
Cristina: That's disturbing. I guess. I don't know.
Jack: The other thing is that I was thinking about. This is before we get just random thoughts I've had. But this next one isn't random thought I've had as much as a. Interesting note I read unrelated to anything we're talking about, but it was in a text, an Islamic text mentioning the Mecca and how it was built to. This is. Now, this isn't in the Quran. This is part of like kind of lost Islamic folklore.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: Specifically.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: That references it as though it was built to trap an evil spirit. The thing that the Islamics.
Cristina: You think they're fighting an evil spirit?
Jack: I don't know.
Cristina: Wait, they're worshiping the evil spirit that they're fighting.
Jack: They. I don't think people know if. If this was the actual purpose for. And it worked. And there's an evil spirit in and me. I don't even know what the Mecca really is. I'm sure people are allowed in there to confirm there's not a prison cell with an evil spirit.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But I don't. I don't actually have any idea, to be honest. But this is just a random thought I was having. That I read that line and look into it or anything. It just essentially made it sound like it was made to trap an evil spirit. Okay, this is it pulled up right here. This does not look like a prison cell to me. There are three pillars that hold it it up.
Cristina: But can people go in there?
Jack: I guess so. Yeah. Even if they can't, like, it's not a.
Cristina: Is that a what?
Jack: It's not a prison. Oh, I know what the Mecca is now that I think about it. Is this where Muhammad took into the.
Cristina: Sky what I think it is?
Jack: This is where Muhammad went into the sky.
Cristina: Through that?
Jack: No, on this spot or when he went to heaven? Or was it the floating rock? One or the other one.
Cristina: I think you need to do some more research on this. Yeah, whatever.
Jack: Yeah. It has nothing to with anything. Anyways. None of this is the point. None of this matters.
Cristina: It could be in the future. Who knows?
Jack: Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I have no clue. But anyways, today's episode has nothing to do with that. That was just an interesting fact of life. I. I suppose. But today's episode is more of an extension of trying to dive deeper into Hermes now that we've established one guy factually, one guy throughout a bunch of time, which means immortality, as well as him knowing or at least living an absurd amount of time while being human and him knowing Yahweh, which is the first mention of anybody we have crossing with Yahweh. So now we know to, you know, eventually look into that time based connection. But I found some other things that I think we should discuss instead. Relative to this individual who seems to be the one human we know who can stretch a crap ton of time other than Jesus Christ though he knows.
Cristina: A lot about science.
Jack: And I guess also on St Nicholas and St Patrick all both lived in absorbently long amount of time. And Merlin was only murdered because it's a fairy's weapon.
Cristina: Did it as far. Yeah, yeah.
Jack: If he's dead.
Cristina: He said if he's dead because that's the last we heard of him.
Jack: Yeah. So okay. That summarizes kind of relative points, I suppose. And so I had a question coming in here and I'm like, so how did he come up with the stone? Or where do you get it? You know what? Like where did this originate from and how do we get there?
Cristina: Okay. Huh?
Jack: How would we go about doing that?
Cristina: How would you do that? Yeah. You found the way.
Jack: How it's complicated, right? Because we have to think about like what steps would a normal person approach how do we. What question would I ask to find the normal step a person would approach? Like, what the h***? Right?
Cristina: Like how. Yeah, because, like, do you know about the first stones, I guess to make. Are the four stones Adam and Eve, or the ones that was before them, that came from the dead fairies? Those are the. I think.
Jack: I think that one stone is the first one that at least narratively speaking, what we know, what we've uncovered. A fairy stone is the first one. I guess the shadow stone is what we call it. The shadow stone is the first one. Then the stone of Adam, the stone of Eve. I suspected another stone to make Jesus, but we don't actually know that to be a fact. That's a theoretical stone. So outside of those three stones, we also have Merlin's stone, Patrick's stone, and Nicholas's stone. But those three stones seem to either be unpure or weaker versions as compared to these other way, more OP stones we're talking about.
Cristina: Yes, but we're going back in time. Like, how did they come up with.
Jack: Adam and Eve and.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: I don't know. I don't know. Because that's Eloi. Who came up with that. That's not even connected. That's another problem. Right. That creates a huge hole. You're totally right. How did they come up with making these stones? Because essentially they're following. This is another reason. This is where this rabbit hole just kind of spirals in the million places. Right. Eloi. My theory is Eloi used Yaldabaoth's method to create the atom stone and the Eve stone, both being better than the last through the kind of rinse and repeat process that takes a long time to make a thing reproduce and then kill it. He was working with szn.
Cristina: This is a new incision.
Jack: Is the son of Yaldabel.
Cristina: Oh, that. But like, how much does he really know?
Jack: I mean, I guess, but this is my theory. And follow me on this. I don't think it worked. I think even us, we are the imperfect still in progress. Jesus was still the working towards something. He was closer than we are.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Because we're not descendants of Jesus.
Cristina: Yeah. And we don't know if there's anything after.
Jack: Exactly. And whatever Jesus is by comparison to us is op. And Jesus was born. It seems with everything a necromancer is.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: I think that's the goal. A born necromancer. Interesting.
Cristina: Did he make more of himself, though?
Jack: Jesus?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: No.
Cristina: If he had children, what would his children be? Says like the stones made us. We reproduce. And make more us? Wouldn't there be Jesus like creatures out there too?
Jack: If Jesus reproduced, If he did, and anyone he reproduces with would reduce what he is. There could only be one.
Cristina: Huh?
Jack: He would need another him, another perfect version. So they could never recreate. It would only be Jesus.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: You could only have the one. Interesting. I didn't think about that. Even genetically. There could only be the one.
Cristina: I guess maybe that's why they only made one. Because why would you just make one? That's kind of weird. But we were a test and they didn't just make one. There's billions of us.
Jack: I'm sure we weren't necessarily the finished product either.
Cristina: No. I mean, no.
Jack: Maybe the goal was Jesus.
Cristina: Us to make him.
Jack: Yeah, the goal was to make Jesus. Which then brings up the next thing. If the entire process required mass death, then question one, is there something akin to a mass extinction event taking place around the time that Jesus was born? And two, is the, I guess the use of the possession of the stone. The use of the stone is, are they? I don't even know what my question is because, oh man, it's so complicated. I don't understand the ultimate point. But anyways, anyways, who cares about any of this? Chasing this point, okay? I need to track where this man began. The path of finding out where the stone came from. Like, how do you do it? Where'd it come from? So start looking through text. Any mention, make a note of any possible. And I come across a couple of interesting mentions. And so it goes as follows. Christianity would have the most information because they're the people trying to correct everything. That's the first place. It's like a Wikipedia of sorts. You begin there, but you can assume it's wrong in a lot of places. So you begin and you're like, what do you gotta say about this?
Cristina: Christianity, Christianity. Okay.
Jack: Through biblical texts, we landed at Enoch and we proved Enoch is Hermes.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Great. It took us that far outside of the Bible itself, but through other Christianity and Catholicism adjacent texts, we get an interesting line which does in fact discuss the philosopher's stone.
Cristina: Okay, what's that?
Jack: Their take on the events.
Cristina: Is it again, Christianity. Christianity, but outside the Bible?
Jack: Outside the Bible, yes.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Enoch was given the stone by angels. If we translate these words, fairies. Fairies, gave.
Cristina: That doesn't make sense. That doesn't make sense. What does that mean? You know, you don't think it's shadow realm people. Maybe by they mean shadow people. That's more believable that shadow people. If the none of anything. We haven't. Like, we haven't understood anything.
Jack: Well, no, the other thing is that I think two or three episodes ago, we stumbled upon the possibility that the fairy realm is also just another layer and not base reality.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh. I don't know what's happening.
Jack: I don't know what's happening either. But it's. It would be the logical conclusion that if it's possible to make a perfect simulation, we ourselves are within one, because it's the most likely. There's only one base reality.
Cristina: So they're also just testing on us.
Jack: Yeah, every. It's a loop. An infinite loop. It looks like.
Cristina: Yes, as above.
Jack: So below what? Which is a line. We're gonna say again later.
Cristina: Hermes. Own line.
Jack: Okay, now, at least it was a good starting point, but I don't trust the Christians because this came straight through edits from Catholicism, which tells me this only exists because you're trying to lie about something.
Jack: This only exists because you're trying to lie about something. That's just where I begin with Christianity right now. You only exist to cover up lies. So let's find out if you mentioned it. Yeah, it was a lie to cover something up. Simple.
Cristina: So you gotta find the original story.
Jack: Because he mentioned it. He mentioned it.
Cristina: That's good enough.
Jack: Christianity mentioned it. So you're trying to hide something. Yes, or you wouldn't have said s*** because it wouldn't have concerned you at the end. So let's find out the same take. I look a little harder going through Christianity, but kind of reaching outside of the Scriptures, outside of the Bible, outside of any relative. But other people who claim to have been around and seen a lot of the same things who aren't necessarily identifying as a version of Christianity, but rather a different Abrahamic religion. Celtics right up there with our friend Mananan. And these individuals, right? They actually happen to also have an interesting mention about a man named Enoch. Interesting, interesting. And what do they say? Because this definitely sheds a little more light.
Cristina: What do they say?
Jack: They believe that Enoch was given the instructions by angels on how to develop the stone. Or it's unclear that he developed the stone along side of them, I guess. Interesting.
Cristina: Either way.
Jack: Now we get somewhere where it's more of. They're messing with a program and they're trying to do something in the program, and they're getting the AI in the program to help them.
Cristina: Interesting, Interesting.
Jack: That looks more like today reality. A little closer, a little closer.
Cristina: These are just people outside the program that are just essentially right yeah.
Jack: Or in theory.
Cristina: Yes. It makes sense. It's weird. Yes. Because why would every fairy be under. Or listening to. What's her name?
Jack: To Mab.
Cristina: Yes, Mab.
Jack: Yeah. It might just be the Internet. We might. It might just be the Internet. There's a bunch of parts.
Cristina: She's just a late scientist and she has people working for her. But not everyone in that world is a scientist working for her. She could be the sea people of that place or whatever.
Jack: Not even. She could just be a developer.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: This could be Facebook and there's other websites, and she's just one of many working on. On the Facebook known as reality.
Cristina: Yes. And people go in and they do their own thing. Okay. Yeah.
Jack: Makes perfect sense. Right. A little better framed. And that made a lot of sense. But I started following that to try to confirm if I could. If, you know, if that's corroborated by other sources.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And instead what I get is an older take on this same thing. This sounded right enough that you wouldn't question it. But if you find out that. Let's think about the line I'm about to draw you. The Christians who come essentially from the Israeli kind of region, moving towards Italy, that's Christianity. If you draw a line from Israel towards Italy, that's Christianity happening right there.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And the Celtic is. If you were to draw a line from Italy to Ireland. Right.
Cristina: Okay. Sort of picturing it.
Jack: Okay. Islam would be you dragging that line then back into the Middle east again from where it came out to Iran and Afghanistan and Arabia and that kind of Middle Eastern.
Cristina: Very Middle Eastern.
Jack: Yeah. So it's a triangle, by the way. A weird, lopsided triangle of sorts.
Cristina: Yeah, but of religions.
Jack: Yeah. We go back kind of to where we began. The further back we go, we left and came back going backwards through time, and we land at Islam. But then I follow Islam and it devolves back into Zoroastrianism.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Right. Okay. So I'm on the right track. Right. Just following the same sentences and same kind of ideas, devolving, changing little by little. But if you know what you're looking for, you can compare them. Even if the first and the last are nothing alike, the road is just a bunch of similar kind of more or less. So you make it all the way into Zoroastrianism, and then you hit the wall. But it's interesting enough where the wall ended, because I would argue that then this answers more clearly, because Zoroastrians believe that Enoch, specifically angels, came down to learn how Enoch created something like The Philosopher's Stone.
Cristina: What? How? And how. But how. But how did he do it?
Jack: But how did he do it?
Cristina: How does he. Then it feels like he has to relate to the other guy who made the first one in the Shadow Realm, because how could he have done it without him? How could he have just done it separately? Is it possible? Is it possible? Could that happen? I don't know. I mean, maybe.
Jack: Well, no. We can draw a line that makes sense because we know there's enough degrees.
Cristina: There's.
Jack: There's. They're close enough that there's like four degrees of separation before we get to like the source, you know?
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: If we started Hermes, who we know connected with both Jehovah and Yahweh. Yahweh, the son of Eloi, who we know factually made the thing and hung out with the son of Yaldabaoth who made the first one. It's like the information is there. It made it down the pipeline.
Cristina: It's not that crazy, but through time. It's kind of crazy, but like.
Jack: Yeah, but we still have pipe systems made by these people and we're pretending they don't exist.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Like, is that still through time?
Cristina: He did it. He did it. Okay.
Jack: I'm not sure if he did it, but that's the argument that happens the.
Cristina: Farthest back is that he made it. They were interested in that to the.
Jack: Point that that means he discovered how to traverse the Shadow Realm and Elfame and make a stone that bends all of them through one another easily and effortlessly.
Cristina: It makes sense because he's a necromancer. And if you know what a necromancer like, it's just what a necromancer is meant to do in the end of the day.
Jack: In modern day, we consider necromancers to be so associated with death almost specifically. And so little of these other things they're also identify with like just being able to like, we're so, so evil and this and that. Every description I've seen of a necromancer allows them to just enter heaven. What the f*** is that?
Cristina: Enter any realm pretty much.
Jack: They can just phase out. That's fire, dude.
Cristina: Just obsessed with the death part.
Jack: But like, yeah, we're weirdly fascinated by that realm.
Cristina: Way more realms that they can communicate with.
Jack: All of them. All of the above.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Is basically. They have no restriction. They're human gods.
Cristina: Mm. That's what they are. Oh my gosh.
Jack: Human gods. I guess the human gods. Except they're not a research team. It's not like.
Cristina: Yeah, it's not like the other Sun.
Jack: God's research team or whatever, you know. But it is interesting.
Cristina: Yes. And they're just people. Or they were people. They were once people.
Jack: They were once people that through knowledge alone stopped being people.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: D***, bro. Crazy hardcore.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: The obsession you must have with knowledge. And the other problem is that they are depicted as very dark because there is. They. Aesthetically, we're trying to cover themselves. And a lot of the things they used, well, they used anything and everything, which means they were often seen with normal things which you wouldn't acknowledge and ab. Normal things which you would. Like skulls and s***.
Cristina: Well, I don't know if I'm getting the thinking of this right, but weren't they in blue, though? Not black blue for some reason, Like Santa and Patrick were in blue and then like through the story changed to red and green. But I feel like, yeah, they were.
Jack: In neutral, darker colors.
Cristina: Yeah. Okay.
Jack: They were always in neutral, darker colors. Yes.
Cristina: Yeah. It wasn't straight up black, though, but.
Jack: It was always robes. It was always drapey robes and. But I think the only one who was masking and hiding in this way was Hermes in particular. He's the master necromancer, the teacher of necromancy.
Cristina: He has to be, though. He had.
Jack: Yeah. So he's hiding who he is. Dimensions of him are so scarce, the outside of a few pockets. People are even unclear as to whether he was real. There's a bunch of people who, like, it's. He's believed to have been a real person, but there's also like a bunch of groups of people, scholars and like, d***, man, this doesn't check out. It's like that level of unclear. He made sure of that. Okay, yeah, the level of unclear. He made sure he wasn't seen. So we don't know what he necessarily looked like because his face was always covered, dark colors, maybe even makeup on all the time, so that there was no distinctive realistic features. So that if he just wanted to be a person, he goes. Nobody sees him take it off. And you just don't know who the f*** this guy is. Because as Hermes, he had to be this thing so that he could detach himself. Because think about how legendary the thing is that everybody everywhere has known and heard and talked about him. Created masterpiece philosophic works, magic, alchemy, philosophy. And the philosophy just doesn't miss either. Like solid universal philosophy. Get the f*** out of here.
Cristina: Talking about reality like it makes sense. It makes sense. Sense from what he wrote, his laws Just. I don't. I don't get it. It's crazy. I believe it, though.
Jack: It falls in line with what he's being accredited with. Yeah. Like he truly. He's trying to tell you. No, it's easy to just bend it all.
Cristina: Like, he truly got it. He wasn't just.
Jack: He wasn't preaching it and not practicing it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: He was genuinely like, no, you could just bend reality with your mind. You're like, I know, but it's like meditation. Woo. Woo. And then he waves.
Cristina: Yeah, exactly. And he's saying it like it is. Or we're taking it like it is.
Jack: We're taking it. But it's like we. He says that and we take it like he is. And then he waves his hand and then everything doctor Strange is around us and it's like, oh, s***. No, he's the real deal.
Cristina: He is. Whoa.
Jack: But then what's interesting is that means that the possibility that this is real is here, but that it is so absurdly rare. Like truly, astoundingly like everything else seems like technology. This guy seems like he's reached beyond that even to the people who are claiming it's all technology. You're like, but that. That guy.
Cristina: But that guy.
Jack: But that guy. And it's like, d***, bro. But also, that's just super crazy. Over the top op, because at that level, it is kind of like the fairies, right? It's just exaggerated technology.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That looks like magic from how advanced it is. And even to us, we've become familiar with so much elation technology and so many things from the Egyptians and the Mayans and the these and the that and experiments they've run, that little by little it looks less like magic to us as we become more clear with the possibilities. And still a necromancer looks like magic. D***. D***.
Cristina: They're coders. They're coders. They're more than just a beyond.
Jack: They're out there. It's something that we do not comprehend just yet. But the fact that digging keeps taking us farther means I am confident there's a way to at least comprehend something.
Jack: One of them came back and said something. And somebody wrote it down.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Simple. That's what we do.
Cristina: That's how we found that first part of his thing. And before we found out, he did the seal.
Jack: Yeah, exactly. Some, like Aristotle just wrote some crap. Yeah, that's it. He just wrote about the guy by chance. Just public records we ignore every day.
Cristina: Yeah, but it was there.
Jack: And that. Exactly. There must be a way. There's Always a way. Now, looking at other things, in the Book of Enoch, it says Enoch might be the first to have the capability to create or understand something as profound as the philosopher's son. Just confirming says it.
Cristina: Okay. It just talks about the philosopher's stone. Does it say what it thinks it's the. What the philosopher soul is like. Does it match up to what we think?
Jack: None of that matters.
Cristina: None of that matters?
Jack: No. Because I just scrolled to the juicy part.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: I'll have to show you an image.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And I need you to just look at that image.
Cristina: None of that matters, though.
Jack: None of that matters. This is what matters. What are you looking at?
Cristina: Words and a mountain, I think, or some type of rock. Is it an image of a rock?
Jack: Right. It's an image of a rock in the woods.
Cristina: I don't know the words. Am I supposed to know what it is?
Jack: No, no, no, no, no. I'm just having you describe what you're looking at.
Cristina: Okay. Is something happening to rock? Is it on fire? There's something shooting out of it on the top or something.
Jack: Interesting little detail right there, right?
Cristina: Yeah. Is that important?
Jack: Maybe. Who knows?
Cristina: Is there anything else happening in the image that I'm not noticing?
Jack: This is a drawing and this is a very old drawing. It was done in the 1800s. Not the 1800s. This was done in the 800s. My bad. Reiteratively copied over and over to have a fresher version of it. But this is the image. The image you're looking at is called the Emerald Tablet. A man saw it. He then copied everything he saw. He drew what it looks like. This is essentially the he. So how do I put it? Yeah. So this man is unnamed, has a. Sees rock, comes in contact with the rock, studies it, then he goes and gets an artist, comes back, the artist copies the rock. This is the rock's shape. This is the. From his point of view. He chose this angle on the rock because of the text on it.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Is called the Emerald Tablet. The Emerald Tablet has an interesting feature to it. It's gold looking, except where light touches it directly. So anytime you see a glare of light and anywhere you look at shade. So the crevices, the crevices of the stone and the glares of the stone are green like the.
Cristina: Like emerald, like an emerald. Okay.
Jack: But the stone itself is gold.
Cristina: That's strange.
Jack: Very strange. Allow me to tell you about the Emeril Tablet. A very important piece of information. First, let me tell you what's on the Emerald Tablet. Would you like to know what it says?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Okay. There are 15 points on the emerald tablet. I'll number it and then tell you what it says.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Number one. True without falsehood, certain most certain. True without falsehood, certain most certain.
Cristina: That sounds like gibberish.
Jack: Totally sounds like gibberish. Point 2. What is above like what is below. And what is below is like what is above to accomplish the miracle of one thing.
Cristina: Wait, is this related to Hermes? Did he write this about what's. Okay, continue before I continue.
Jack: Okay, let me go ahead and answer your question. It is believed that this stone was made of an impossible fusion of rock. A golden rock, gold.
Cristina: Gold.
Jack: An emerald and emerald. The gem creating a semi gold, semi emerald hybrid stone, which was then etched with a message that seemed to be perfectly cut, not like it was hit with a chisel.
Cristina: So then how could he have written on it?
Jack: How did you make such an impossibly hard piece of metal, made of literal gems and steels of sorts, or not seals, but metals, and then so cleanly, without any bumps or bruises or anything uneven, etched a message onto it?
Cristina: It's alchemy related.
Jack: It's alchemy. Had to be alchemy. Hermes is attributed with having made this rock. Okay, he's attributed with having made the rock, and he's attributed with having written the things on the rock along with having created the hermetica.
Cristina: So what else is on this rock?
Jack: Let us continue. And as all this is number three, and as all things were by contemplation of one, so all things arose from this one thing by a single act of adaptation. 4. The Father thereof is the son, the mother, the moon.
Cristina: I don't know what he's trying to say, but okay.
Jack: Number five. The wind carried it in its belly, the earth in its nurse. 6. The father of all, the perfection of the whole world is here.
Cristina: Is it him? Is he him?
Jack: Number seven. It's powerful. Its power is integrating. Its power is integrating if it be turned into earth. Its power is integrating if it be turned into earth. Number eight. Thou shalt separate the earth from the fire, the subtle from the gross, gently and with ingenuity. 9. It ascends from the earth to the heaven, and again it ascends to the earth. It descends to the earth, and again it descends to the earth. So it ascends to the heavens and descends to earth, and receives the force of things superior and inferior.
Cristina: Is he talking about himself?
Jack: Number 10, by this means you shall have the glory of the whole world, and thereby all obscurity shall fly from you. 11. Its force is above all force, for it vanquishes every subtle thing and penetrates every solid thing. 12. So was the world created. 13. From this are and do come admirable adaptations whereof the process is here in this. Hence I am called Hermes Trismegistus, having the three parts of the philosophy of the whole world. 15 that which I have said of the operation of the sun is accomplished and ended. That is all the points.
Cristina: So there's three parts, though. There's three parts. Is this one of the parts or is there a third part that we just never haven't figured out about to make a philosopher's stone? Because he just admitted that there's three parts.
Jack: He also required people to know three parts in order to talk to him which are the three different technologies and philosophies.
Cristina: Cool.
Jack: Which he just referenced the philosophy.
Cristina: So yes. Also he sounds like he's talking about the Matrix. And like once you figure out you realize you're living in the Matrix, everything's.
Jack: Which falls in line with the seven hermetic principles.
Cristina: Yes, pretty much. That is the rules to the Matrix. Once you get this, you got it.
Jack: Yeah. Like once. Once you know, you know, once you.
Cristina: Know, you know, just try to know you're in it. That's. That's all you need.
Jack: It sounds like that's what he's saying, right? That really is what he was preaching. Neo back then. He's like, it's all an illus.
Cristina: Yeah. Like he's not even saying escape it. Because he's saying, if you. Even if you leave it, you come back. You're better just by being here.
Jack: Which. Interesting point in isolation to make. I also took a lot of note of that very important point because this feels very reminiscent of what we were talking about. Yaldabaoth leaves.
Cristina: But what does that mean, Jesus mean more?
Jack: What does that mean? I think that's the becoming a God part. I think it's. No. Now I can interact with the whole program in one shot. You came back better. Now you're God.
Cristina: Yeah. Because if you just leave, that's. That's it. Because you're just whatever in that other new place.
Jack: Yeah. You're just a individual. Which is fine. So are they.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But over here, you're crazy. Something else.
Cristina: Yeah. Truly a God. Like even more so than before. Like he just.
Jack: But then my question would be, would you rather be a God in a fictional reality or an individual within reality? Ooh. That would be the argument. Right. So if you escape a simulation. Jesus. Right? He's not even real. He's just a simulation. But he can escape into an exoskeleton and live amongst the humans in an Android sort of body for. Until he can't anymore.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: He would be an individual, but he would be in reality.
Cristina: Yeah, but Hermes is saying you should come back anyway, because doesn't matter.
Jack: He's saying it does not. Nothing matters.
Cristina: Oh, yeah.
Jack: His point of view is, well, if you're from over there, it matters, but we're from over here. Nothing could happen. Everything is our plaything. Yeah, well, then we gotta take a step back because we're like, oh, they're scared of Yellow Bell. And then we're like, oh, no, they're scared of the aliens. And we're like, oh, no, they're scared of Jesus. Is that who they're scared of?
Cristina: Who?
Jack: Hermes.
Cristina: Scared of Hermes.
Jack: Whoever's scared of whoever. Because it's like, no, everything is my plaything.
Cristina: Yeah, that's true.
Jack: It's like the detachment from the message is. Comes with it, you know?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: It's the whole. Hey, guys, I can teach you how to just manipulate reality. But also, the message here is, nothing matters. You can just manipulate reality.
Cristina: I guess, but, like, that's how he taught. Like, he doesn't care.
Jack: And they weren't doing anything about it when he was just teaching at a school and they knew he was there.
Cristina: Yeah, like, he's really whatever about it, man.
Jack: It just looks like there's people who roughly don't like each other, but, like, that doesn't mean anything. It's more like, I don't like you, but, like, we'll still trade or whatever. The. Nobody's, like, beefing hard here.
Cristina: There's no evil villain.
Jack: There's no villain. But there seems to be a direction, if anything. I mean, everybody's pointing one way.
Cristina: Yeah, but towards what? I don't know.
Jack: That's the short part. Everybody's walking in the same direction, which means following anything takes us in the same direction. Following anything takes us in the same direction. That's one thing we've learned. Everything aims in the same direction. We don't know how far in the future that direction is.
Cristina: That direction. What is that direction?
Jack: We know they're all tangled up, all heading there together.
Cristina: We need to find how to join that line. I don't know.
Jack: But he does say leave and come back. He says every side is the same.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Over there and over here. Yes, it's all equal. We could do the same things everywhere. It doesn't matter.
Cristina: Oh, crap.
Jack: That falls in line, doesn't it?
Cristina: Huh? That's really complicated.
Jack: It's another layer, dude.
Cristina: Because like what?
Jack: That's another layer. It's another layer. He's not exiting into reality. He's just moving through another part of code again.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: It doesn't matter how.
Cristina: That's the only code too.
Jack: That's why it's all equal. It's the same.
Cristina: After he figured out he here, he can figure it out over there.
Jack: Exactly. If you can figure out how to move from here to Shadow without ever needing to break your code with adrenochrome.
Cristina: You can do it.
Jack: Then you could do it again anywhere and you'll never need adrenochrome. You could just keep doing it because it's the same logic, it's all the same s***. You could just manipulate the program we all exist inside of.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: D***, that's crazy.
Cristina: I don't know. It does feel like he wants to share it for sure. But it seems like the shot the known, not the shadow people. I don't know what the shadow people think. The sea people seem like they just want to keep it to themselves. Every time they try to share it, it goes bad.
Jack: It goes bad. It doesn't seem like they're greedy off malice. It seems like they are overprotective. The end.
Cristina: Yes. And then Jesus seems like he doesn't want anyone to find out because that's why he keeps giving people adrenochrome. Because there are things, not just Jesus, but other beings, other godlike beings that we call gods that are sharing. They want people to have blood, drink blood, sacrifice blood, whatever. Those are people that don't want us to get there. There are some villains.
Jack: We're not trying to stop us from getting anywhere. I think these people are just trying to get there themselves.
Cristina: Well, why are they using us?
Jack: Because it's easier than figuring out how the to become a necromancer or build a Shinto gate, which is essentially necromancy at this point, I'm assuming.
Cristina: But if you share the blood or whatever, you can't. You can never escape you, but you.
Jack: Can go to the Shadow Realm, which is still more than this, I guess. You can never die. And that's better.
Cristina: That's better.
Jack: At least to them.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: They're okay with losing their minds as long as they live. That's people who rather have the immortality part than the. They're always gonna die. If infinity. You're gonna run out of blood at some point, no matter what. That road goes one way. Yes, it Goes one way. There's nothing else that could happen. It will default to you. Not getting it. Going feral. Losing your f****** mind. And now you're the other thing. The end.
Cristina: Oh, yeah. Not dying, but I guess. Yes. The old you. The other you.
Jack: The infinitely dying version of that.
Cristina: Yeah. Yeah, okay, sure, you could just be.
Jack: A wendingo, but that's not reality. You're gonna be a wendingo for a bit, and then that's gonna go to s***. And you're gonna become a wetchudge and be some crazy rabid f****** thing forever. You're gonna stop thinking.
Cristina: You're just gonna be the one that's probably gonna murder you because of all the murder that you're doing.
Jack: Yeah, you're gonna be murdering a bunch of s*** and somebody who understands how to kill s*** like you. Boom. Now you don't exist. So you still got to the same f****** place. There's no. Wow. I didn't think about that. There's no winning. It's just extending it. But you're f***** either way.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It's either a nightmare. I see. I get why it's described as h***. I get it. You have to do f***** up s*** to get it. You have to be a monster.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And, well, not to get it. You could get it by accident. Oh. But in order to sustain yourself now you got to be f***** up.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So you got to be f***** up to sustain using it. Then when you go there, you have to be more f***** up to not. Because this is infinity, now you're there forever. So you died over here. Now you're there for f****** ever. Okay. The clock's ticking. You have an infinite, infinite timer that you got to keep resetting by getting more. Either generate fear or go f****** find blood. But the only way to get the blood is to generate the fear in the first place. And that's just random chance about being in the right spot at the right time that maybe you can f****** slip through and then f****** use that to scare them more. Generate more than show up and get blood. The likelihood seems astounding.
Cristina: That really sucks.
Jack: Yeah, you're gonna. No matter what it looks like, 99% of these m************ end up being feral. Shadow creature.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: There's no way. Like what the. And the ones that don't are one, exceptional or from the shadow realm.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And two, those exceptional ones. I never thought about this before because I guess we didn't think about this before, but there has to be at least some.
Cristina: Somewhat.
Jack: Some things that actually did not turn Feral after going there and didn't have special other tricks like the necromancers, who presumably have to die also. That's another reason why we're obsessed with the death part of necromancy. It appears, although it's not explicitly said anywhere, that all of them seem to have died at the end of achieving knowledge and come back with the powers of that acquired knowledge.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So just random detail, I guess that also connects to death. The fact that they have to die. This version of the list was translated by Isaac Newton. Weird random detail.
Cristina: He's a necromancer.
Jack: Seems irrelevant until we consider the fact that we chased some other irrelevant dude called Aristotle to these guys.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So it's like at this point, if your name is important somehow, there's something about you.
Cristina: He is a student. Is he a student? Do we know he's a student? Is he the secret nanocromancer we haven't found out that exists today? Not today. But you know. That's too random.
Jack: So what do we know for a fact about this stone? We know the color, the material. It has many accounts, by the way. There's.
Cristina: It's more than one reference to it.
Jack: Many references to it. It is the main body of work. Luckily he wasn't around. No.
Cristina: Oh, it's.
Jack: That's an interesting detail about that. That stone absolutely vanished in the 900. Just vanished. Just totally. No, no explanation. Just totally stopped being talked about. Now it seems to have to be a record of having successfully completed the philosopher's stone. I would argue that's accurate because it says the three parts and then it says the thing specifically the quotes are from this are and do cometh Admiral Adaptation therewith. The process is here in this. Hence I am called her Mistress Megistus. Having the three parts of the philosophy of the whole world, that which I have said of the operation of the sun is accomplished and ended.
Cristina: Like saying that is the third part.
Jack: I not is the third part. You're thinking about third parts? I'm thinking when he says third parts, he means Earth, Shadow and Elfame. The three studies. You should know before you even with him.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And he's saying, I've perfected the three things. I think this is him declaring something along those lines. Alternatively jumping on the line you're trying to get to.
Cristina: Is there a third part to the stone thing?
Jack: Is it the magnum opus? The hermetic seal and the.
Cristina: I don't know what it's called. The emblem. Emerald.
Jack: No, no, no. What's on There isn't Instructions. I'm not saying the Emerald tablet.
Cristina: Oh, just the blank.
Jack: I'm saying there would just be a third thing because he still mentions three things. And this sounds like reference to the philosopher's stone, not reference to necromancy. And we know that the three things are in reference to necromancy. Learn the three philosophies and the three technologies. Yes, that's about necromancy. This is about the stone, which is weird because. Is he also talking about necromancy and the stone weird? It doesn't seem like it. That's what's happening here though. So then what are the three things? You need the three things for the stone too, or are you right? And there's another, like a third part. We thought there was one and then it turned out to be two to begin with.
Cristina: Maybe this will lead us there.
Jack: It also seems like a proclamation of copyrights to some degree. I am hermit's term against this. I figured it out. I'm telling you guys.
Cristina: Yes, yes, it does.
Jack: But there's no proof of figuring it out. And again, it's made of a gold emerald fusion that can't be explained.
Cristina: I believe he figured it out. I think that's enough to say he figured it out. What more does he need?
Jack: The copies of this, the. All the people who managed to copy all the things that were there managed to do so. And those lines like the tablet. How do I put it? Those lines that you see in the tablet are referenced and split among other parts of text that are associated with Hermes. So not that tablet per se, but that fills in parts of other works, which together then gives us six works.
Cristina: What do you mean?
Jack: If you cross reference anything into everything Hermes related.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: All the works attributed to him, all the philosophy is attributed to him. Materials like this stone that have additional texts, and you start compiling them into groups, you come up with six groups that scholars use to differentiate between the hermetic teachings. The first one is the writings of the material world.
Cristina: Okay, sounds simple enough.
Jack: Simple enough.
Cristina: It's gonna get weird though, very quickly. Okay.
Jack: The writings of the material world seems to be very focused on anatomy and earth science. Then we have the writings of the demonic world here. It immediately starts diving into alchemy, it starts diving into potions, it starts diving into mixtures. It's diving into adding things and fire and candle and this and that.
Cristina: Okay, he's a witch.
Jack: The writings of the celestial world here, it goes into enchantments, it goes into motions, it goes into ritualization, it goes into repetitive behaviors. The fourth is the magnum Opus.
Cristina: It's just in there. Okay.
Jack: The fifth is the hermetic seal. And the six only exists at the bottom of the drawing of that stone you saw, because the guy had no idea what it was. And Isaac Newton couldn't translate it either. It was too cryptic. Nobody knows what the f*** it said. And the only guy who even understood the movements enough to replicate them in his drawing is not clear if he got them accurate enough to decipher them because of how complex those the order of structure was for whatever was written there. It's not Latin. It's some.
Cristina: It's probably written in fairy.
Jack: Who the h*** knows? It looks like Latin letters, but it does not. Using a construct or Latin to what.
Cristina: The third part of this is because we have the three different.
Jack: The third collection of the not third, six collection of data. That piece, which is referenced with other work, is one of several different works associated with them. The others have no additional work to them. They just happen to be written in identically the same fashion. So because of this sixth cryptic writing, the other works that were also cryptic could be connected to it. And in analysis of. Oh yeah, this is the same handwriting. Then an entire sixth body of work that is not understood by any means.
Cristina: This is a secret six book.
Jack: It's a secret sixth book by Hermes Trismeguessis that has no explanation to what it says. And it's several pages of absolute gibberish.
Cristina: It's not gibberish. Oh, my gosh. It's the third part. It's the third part. You have to be a. You have to study the first three parts. The three parts are right there. Mark 1, 2, 3 of what you need to be a necromancer is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 has to be the stone, how to make the stone. Yes, but you have to master 1, 2, 3 to understand number 6.
Jack: Yes, definitely. Something about 1 through 5 gives you the answer to 6.
Cristina: Something. Yeah, I think so. I think so. He did it. He did it in a way that anyone. Because he wanted to teach anyone anyway, anybody who should, not just anyone can. Like we could look at it and get nothing from it. So many people probably have looked at it and got nothing from it.
Jack: Millions of people probably throughout time.
Cristina: He found it really hard probably to teach people it, no matter how much he's tried. That's probably why he just wrote it in writing and hoped that one day someone would get it.
Jack: And anybody who casually does figure it out, the more you figure out, the more you probably come across messages within all of this. It says, don't tell anybody. And that's part of. Probably part of the initiation process. The further in you go, the more secretive about it you're gonna get, because it's telling you to until said event happens and you cross paths with this guy who's been around for thousands of years. But also, by the time that happens, you're so informed, you expected it.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So it's like, wow, this is really going to be the moment. Some ancient being is about to cross through that like. Like, doorway in the middle of whatever random place this series of everything took me to.
Cristina: Him meeting Santa Claus or whatever situation. Like.
Jack: But it would be Hermes, wouldn't it?
Cristina: Yeah, that's what it would be weird to imagine. Hermes meeting up with Santa Claus.
Jack: Oh, but it wasn't Santa at that point, Nick. It was just a guy.
Cristina: It's just a guy.
Jack: Just a dude who really went hard on figuring some out.
Cristina: People did figure it out. It's just a. It was very little.
Jack: It was random people, too, man.
Cristina: Yeah. How did they get their hands on it?
Jack: I'm not even sure. Merlin wasn't related to Christianity. That's just some other dude. Some dude who figured it out.
Cristina: Yeah, some guy.
Jack: Some guy.
Cristina: But that's how hard it is to figure out that it had to be random.
Jack: It's random. It has to be absolutely random. There can't be any pattern.
Cristina: Yeah, yeah, dude.
Jack: St. Patrick, dude, he's a Celtic who got recruited by the Christians. They're like, d***, he figured it out. You come. Hey, man, you want to be a friend?
Cristina: Yeah, he's definitely a necromancer. He's a question about it. Yeah, for sure.
Jack: For sure. Dude, they turned to you to solve the problem. Get out of here.
Cristina: That's crazy. So there is a third part. There is six parts. It makes sense that there's six parts.
Jack: Yeah. Once it got put together like that, like, I didn't know that scholars had already divided it into groups.
Cristina: They did.
Jack: It might not mean anything to them.
Cristina: No.
Jack: But us and listeners of this show, after we've connected all these dots, we get looking at it together in the order that they themselves put it. It's like, come on, bro, you crazy. I know what we're looking at.
Cristina: Yeah, yeah. We're looking at it. We're looking at all.
Jack: We're looking at how to become a necromancer and how to build the most overpowered thing.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: All the instructions in front of you.
Cristina: To get out of the simplified.
Jack: Yeah. To exit the matrix. Super simplified.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: He made it six bullet points somehow.
Cristina: So that for sure relates to breaking the Matrix. It's.
Jack: I mean the point of a Philosopher's Stone is that it literally bends reality.
Cristina: Okay. Because just knowing all this and having necromancy power because there seems like. Unless the powers come from the stone itself.
Jack: Interesting. But it seems. It doesn't seem to be the case. It seems more to be the case that you need the stone. I don't even know what the h*** you need. So I guess it's the bend other s*** the same way.
Cristina: I guess. It's complicated. So complicated.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: There's something are powerful without the stone, but you also need to make the stone. Like it's obviously part of it. Because I would.
Jack: Maybe not. Maybe it's more like the stone. Although it will give you exactly the same powers. That's why people who have acquired the stone have still managed the abilities without having learned. It would be because the stone does have power. But the idea is maybe that's just a point of initiation. Like, well, you're gonna be equally strong to the stone as a necromancer. The stone doesn't matter to you. But making it proves you understand.
Cristina: Okay. It's a final test.
Jack: Yeah. Making it proves you get it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: The test is whatever happens after the hermetic seal step, nothing else before that matters. That's the lessons. Or if six is also a lesson, then the seventh is the test, which is hand me the stone. Show me it's done, it worked.
Cristina: When you get it, I think the.
Jack: Stone is the test.
Cristina: Yeah. Okay. Maybe because if you're.
Jack: It doesn't seem like they need it. It seems like they bend reality with it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Like it's a casual piece of jewel, a plaque. It's your diploma. Diploma.
Cristina: That's the way to look at it. Yeah.
Jack: It's your diploma, your necromancy diploma.
Cristina: Wow. Like it. That makes sense.
Jack: And it allows. But it's also crazy because you could just bestow this power upon somebody, but also you could take it away effortlessly from them.
Cristina: The stone.
Jack: The stone. It allows you to give this to somebody knowing that they couldn't stop you from taking it back. That's interesting because once you can make the stone, the stone is the most irrelevant thing to you. The moment you can make it, that s*** is useless.
Cristina: How we're gonna guess that Adam and Eve are just stones? He made. He gave it to them. But like, they're not necromancers?
Jack: No, I don't. I disagree with that narrative entirely. I believe Adam and Eve were in fact Made by Yaldabaoth, Sizzan and Lilith.
Cristina: I do think they were without necromancers.
Jack: Without the use of necromancer. I believe they did not have the other parts. I think the magnum opus. Or not the magnum opus, because I suppose that's the earthrealm version. But I think they were trying to do it with different steps or something and that's why they weren't achieving what they needed to.
Cristina: So you're saying Adam and Eve are not perfect stones?
Jack: No, I know they're not. Because let's find the narrative real quick. Jehovah showed up on three separate occasions to collect the three different fruits so that he can in theory go make stone one and two. You needed the other fruit for what? Who did Jehovah turn out to be interacting with? Hermes. Hermes would know how to what? How to make the stone. So this guy went and got the two fruits plus the third fruit while hanging out with Hermes, the known necromancer.
Cristina: So he is involved.
Jack: Then Jesus Christ happens.
Cristina: Oh, okay. That's why. Okay, yeah.
Jack: Do you see?
Cristina: They went to him for that.
Jack: All the steps of first Adam, then Eve, then blank equals Jesus.
Cristina: The blank is Hermes.
Jack: No, the blank is the other stone before Jesus.
Cristina: Oh, the Hermes stone, though we can.
Jack: Call it the Hermes stone for sure. But Hermes has a stone, presumably? I have no idea. He probably has many.
Cristina: Yeah, exactly.
Jack: But it's different kinds of stones. Now that we know they're different kinds of stones and they do kind of things differently. So you're totally right. Oh, interesting. Yaldabaoth has the shadow stone Eloi and Sizen, or timeline wise, way back in who knows how long before the universe was made. Yaldabaoth has, or makes, I guess with the birth of the universe, the shadow stone was made. Yes, That's a weird way to put it, but that's literally what happened.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: With the birth of our universe, the shadow stone was made. Weird.
Cristina: That's weird. But yes.
Jack: Yeah, didn't think about that before, but that's a true statement. Yes, yes, yes. Then sizen Lilith and Yaldabaoth sometime from 156,000 years ago to a hundred thousand years ago, create the stone Adam and Eve and use the stone Adam and Eve to create modern day humans. So three stones so far.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Then we get, oh my God, it was in front of us and we're f****** stupid. Jesus Christ went into the shadow realm to steal the stones and Jehovah went into the shadow realm to remake the stones. It's because the stones were gone. Before Jehovah showed up. Before we start with Jehovah 12,000 years ago, he begins by going into the shadow realm and getting the parts to make them stones. Why, if he had them? Because he didn't have them. Duh.
Cristina: Jesus took them.
Jack: No, Jesus is not around yet. He wasn't created.
Cristina: He took the stones. They already had the stones.
Jack: They weren't in possession of the stones. Somebody already took the stones. Jesus went into the shadow realm to take the stones. Yalabaoth already has the stones at the point that we introduced to Jehovah, trying to make new ones at some point. So really, 12,000 years ago, where we enter with Jehovah, we. We don't have Adam or Eve. They're gone already.
Cristina: They're gone.
Jack: That's why he went into the shadow realm to go get fruits to go make those stones again. Okay, we begin with Jehovah specifically, not the whole story with Jehovah. He didn't have the stones. Adam and Eve, he never had them. Eloi made both of them. Which leaves us with one culprit and an actual path to follow.
Cristina: The culprit is Yahweh. Yahweh.
Jack: If these stones are moving from generation to generation, how in the f*** did Yaldabaoth end up with them? And you're the f****** only guy. Cause it wouldn't have been Jehovah. He's thorough. If anything, he's annoyingly thorough. People don't even like how a*** this guy is.
Cristina: I need a timeline. I need to see a line and the like dates and the people and like, I don't know. I have to physically.
Jack: Yaldabaoth infinitely long ago makes the stone that makes our universe. Then 150,000 years ago, 56,000 years ago, specifically, the stone of Adam is made, and then a hundred thousand years ago the stone is used. Then a hundred thousand years ago, the stone of Eve is made and 150,000. Or no, my bad. 150,000 years ago, the stone of Eve was made. And hundred. I mean, not 150,000 years ago, the stone of Eve is made. No, I'm wrong. Adam was made 156. Used 150. Eve was made and used a hundred thousand years ago. Okay, Jehovah first goes in to get the fruits in the Shadow Realm 12,000 years ago. Loi did the same thing about 1.5 million years ago. They're both looking and trying to do the same thing. The one individual we have almost no mentions of, we have no reference points of. But if it the information and Its existence made it all the way to Jehovah. Must have made it all it to him through his father, Yahweh. Yes, Yahweh. Who knows Hermes, Yahweh, who must have either had possession of Adam and Eve and lost it, or have somehow been the reason he doesn't have it in the first place. Even if he never got a hold of it because Eloi had it. At least we know between Eloi and Yahweh, it disappeared.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And somehow Hermes is still part of that.
Cristina: That somehow.
Jack: Somehow.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Yahweh might have lost the stones because we know Yaldabaoth has them. So why was Yahweh easier to take advantage of? But I feel like Loi was probably really gullible too. It was just kind of like, cool, chill. Yeah, I'll do whatever. Doesn't care. We don't know.
Cristina: There's not like so little reference. Yes, exactly. None of this makes sense. It's hard to put it together. It's there though. We're there. We're almost there.
Jack: Maybe almost where? I don't even know.
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: Random other detail because we're way over time. I'm really quickly rapid fire this information. In another Aristotle note, because I've been going through some of that stuff still there's so much. Apollo is referred to as Apollonius.
Cristina: What does that mean?
Jack: It means that Apollo's a nickname.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Right. Running Apollonius through a search. Apparently he was an actual Greek man.
Cristina: Interesting.
Jack: So now we have a record of this guy. Right. Similar to Hermes, Apollonius was actually an individual who performed astounding miracles. Just like Hermes the God Apollo the God Hermes, Trismegistus the Dude and Apollonius the Dude were both exceptionally amazing people who accomplished things scientifically, medically and alchemically thought to be impossible. They thought this guy was going to be the Jesus of f****** Greece. I don't know how nobody connected. I don't know. I gotta look in them. I don't how nobody connected. The fact that. So I found that he's referred to this way because a lot of his notes are in Greek, but they were actually translated. People think Aristotle wrote all his work in Greek. He was writing his work in Latin a lot of the time because it was a more general language for other scholars.
Cristina: Well, so like someone else changed it.
Jack: His work was oftentimes translated back to Greek, but it wasn't originally written in Greek. So I translated to Latin first and then to English to get the proper. And it came back Apollonius and Then I ran that through and it came out with this guy who has exactly the same treatment.
Cristina: Ridiculous.
Jack: Which means now I believe it more because you got two different individuals who have the same thing. And to summarize it before we just wrap this up, that means Apollonius and Hermes can both be placed in one location at the same period of time by the same person and known to have undergone the same historical treatment. Apollo has to be looked at.
Cristina: Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Jack: We can put him in the same school in the same time frame, known by the same man. And history treated them exactly the same. They're trying to hide something from below.
Cristina: There's gotta be other people he mentioned.
Jack: Then there has to be many other people we have to look at Aristotle. There's something weird about.
Cristina: Yes, yes.
Jack: He wasn't just some guy.
Cristina: He's not just a guy.
Jack: The fact he's mentioned it all. Somebody's trying to hide something.
Cristina: There's something happening in that school. More than we know.
Jack: More than we know. More than we know. At least for sure. For sure. Side note. Side note. The school Lycium did in fact have students that later in history went to both Lycium and also went to Antonio Draco's academy, the one used to research Alicorn.
Cristina: That's weird.
Jack: Just a random line that connects to a dude who factually knows about Adrenochrome and a dude who factually knows about Alicorn. Just the ability that we could pull up names, like, I could find you student. Not that they would have known anything, considering they seem to be irrelevant nobodies.
Cristina: Maybe not all of them, but.
Jack: Yeah, exactly. Like there's literal names of individuals who have their hands in both pots.
Cristina: Are we gonna have him turn up at the school?
Jack: That would be nuts, but I doubt it. It'd be crazy if we go ahead and find out that John the Russian was really just Hermes too. And he's like, here, man, here's this thing I found. Yeah, it's like, wow. Investigation, we don't know, end up on the same trail. Find out the guy who's meeting that the guy who told them who gave him the alicorn was Hermes. And then the guy he met on top wasn't even the Elysians. It was also Hermes. Like, hey, you ready for training?
Cristina: What kind of game is Hermes then? That makes Hermes sound more like.
Jack: Like Q or some.
Cristina: No, like, I guess, but Merlin with author. Like, just being weird.
Jack: Oh, yeah, Weird. Like, why are you playing games, dude? Just do the thing. Yeah, anyways, but yeah, we'll continue more next time. I would dive deeper into random crap, but that's where we are now. Anyways, if you guys have any additional details or any of this and blah, blah, blah, send us messages on our socials at just Convopod, on Instagram, Tick tock X and on Facebook, I believe.
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Jack: Yes, and word of mouth. We are uncovering the truths of the universe. And I know that you are very concerned that this is becoming more of a Matrix series, but, like, what else could it have been?
Cristina: Yeah, I guess if we go in.
Jack: The direction of technology, what else could it have been?
Cristina: They want us back into the fantasy world.
Jack: Like, if you go far enough in one direction into science, it will be a simulation running a time loop. That's all.
Cristina: That's all that's ever.
Jack: That's all it's gonna. It's got a default to it.
Cristina: It always is.
Jack: Yes. If you look at it enough, no matter what you're inside of some simulation, whether it be computer or a mind, a giant complicated brain or something, this is a simulation. No matter how you look at it, it's not absurd. And it's a time loop. You're just remembering the same moments over forever. Doesn't f****** matter.
Cristina: Doesn't matter.
Jack: Time loops and simulation. You're gonna repeat the same thing forever. None of it matters. The end.
Cristina: The end. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening by.
Jack: Sam.
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