Rambling 272: Where To Go From Here
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What is the ultimate goal of the Necromancers, of the Research Groups and their Experiments? What is the purpose of their actions? Who is the good guy and the bad guy in the story? The duo take a different approach to the Data relative to the Elysians, Necromancers, everything surrounding them and more in an attempt to find a cohesive direction to go. In this episode, the duo attempt to zero in on what they should be looking for!
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Topics Discussed:
- Philosopher Stones
- The Teachings of Hermes
- Elysians (Atlanteans)
- The Three Realms
- Creating New Realms
- Becoming A God
- The Universal Arrow
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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.
Cristina: And I am your host, Tristina.
Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today as we have gone on an infinite spiral of unpacking, I don't even know what the context of what we're talking about is. For anybody who's followed along this psychotic road. You know what I mean? Anybody who just stumbled into this episode. Good for you. This is both a ending and. Or beginning.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Because there was too much. I successfully found absolutely too much information. And I sat and I thought about it. I even told you that what we're gonna be talking about, it's gonna be really open ended. But then I had more time to think about it and I'm like, this is absolutely too structured. It's. I don't know where we're going. And because we don't know where we're going, we follow random threads and we go random places. So there's no focus. So today I want us to end that. That stops here. And we're gonna either stop talking about whatever the f*** this is or we're gonna focus and try to actually understand what the h*** it is that we're trying to find. Because.
Cristina: Specifically related to the necromancer or all of it.
Jack: Oh, exactly, Exactly. About Jesus. Or is he a part. Because right now it looks like he's.
Cristina: A part like him too. Like everything. All the.
Jack: What does it all have to do.
Cristina: With all of it?
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cristina: So this is the conclusion.
Jack: Not. Not even the conclusion. This is. This is us trying to understand at a deeper level and trying to process it in a meaningful way that gives us a direction to go in because it is kind of aimless. We started at a unicorn and ended up at Jesus Christ and the Matrix. Come on, man. Like, yeah, it's. Come on. Where, where, where are we headed? We know something is weird because there's always this air of a lot of people go missing, important, powerful, colossal level God tier things just poof out of existence at random moments. We don't have any answers for that. No information. It's all theory, speculative at best and has almost no evidence or any. Anything. We're talking. Where is Eloi? No mention of him ever dying. We have no mention of Yaldabaoth ever dying. The closest thing we got to Jesus dying is him under a different name. But we don't even know who's Jesus at any given moment or who's just some imitation or what the h*** is going on with that. A lot of people disappear. We know that they all disappear. There's a lot of people who know how to. We know of it. Looked at the beginning like getting to the Shadow Realm was a difficult thing. But as you look more. It's mainly within secret societies. A lot of people know how to do it. A lot of people know how to get there, especially the Vikings. They had an entire force dedicated to murdering s*** and being able to rip portals open and cross through. Like, get the h*** out of here. Like, that's fire, dude.
Cristina: That's the. That's disturbing. But okay, yeah, they were the ones drinking blood.
Jack: Yeah. And they were the ones hearing the voices and entering sacred lands just by. It was like, okay, great, fantastic. So that's not as secretive and crazy as we think. Everybody's doing it.
Cristina: Yes. Because the Shadow Realm creatures have a difficult time getting here. But once we open a portal over there, it's super easy for them to come through.
Jack: And portals are many different things. We consider portals. Oh, there's a round little gate. But that doesn't make sense. That's our visualization of a doorway.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Really, a portal is some sort of frequency, as far as we know. And if you had two radio stations that were very close frequency, you could kind of hear one on the other. And if you slowly turned it to the station right in between, you'll hear them both overlap. Like you hear one and the other simultaneously. You can say earthrealm is one station. Two stations away is the Shadow Realm. And that middle station where you get kind of both of them is the tunnel you use to connect the two points.
Cristina: The tunnel is the fairy.
Jack: No, the tunnel. I guess for a necromancer, yes. But in the case of, like a normal person, we're just talking that the doorway we imagine is incorrect. The better way to think about it is this frequency where really you're tuning in. You're kind of phasing from one side to the other. A doorway isn't a hole was ripped and a creature came through. No, it's a weird, other complicated feature that I can't. I actually don't know the. The mechanics behind it of how we end up with a lot of fear concentrated in one spot. And then we get the manifestation of creatures native to the Shadow Realm that I don't get. But that seems to be how it works.
Cristina: How exactly?
Jack: What is it that the more fear, the More kind of they phase. They're phasing from their. Out of their place into this place. Because it's sort of relatively the same, kind of complicated.
Cristina: Because it feels like a situation where it's like you hear about the story about like the Boogeyman and then like if you say his name three times. But like, if that's true, how like kind of like what came first.
Jack: You're talking about Candyman. You're talking about all these like sort of Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice or Mary in the freaking Mirror or whatever.
Cristina: Like people are able to do this. Did they do it first accidentally and then these creatures came through, or did they know about these creatures?
Jack: Why have you never said this before? This is a really good point. This is a really good point. There's a. Even casually, we have gateways. Dude, we never thought about this, but literally seances. And when you think about Ouija boards, even if the board itself is doing nothing, you get a bunch of people who think something might happen.
Cristina: And enough of them idea into their heads that something might happen. Where does that.
Jack: I think it happened naturally. Obviously. Creature gets scared. See, the thing. It. It probably. We were probably even more close together before humans came to be. Humans might be the only ones not in. If we go into nature where the monsters and the demons exist, maybe that's a little more accurate than we think.
Jack: Because you look at the idea of these locations, it's where. Where the humans aren't. Because animals will feel fear on a more normal basis. They're not rationalizing it away. They're not sitting at home like, oh, no. That's obviously just the. You know, there's no. There's no rationalization to it. They're not thinking about the other whatever the f*** they're like, oh, no, the monsters coming. Because that's what it's like in nature. It's like, it's gonna kill me because I don't know what it is. Let me be in panic. Fear automatically happens, and then it just generates some other thing that could eat you. Okay, so it's whatever. It's just nature. We then rationalizing it kind of mentally created the distinction between this barrier and that barrier. Holy f***. That's literally what Hermes is talking about.
Cristina: Oh, no. What?
Jack: Holy s***.
Cristina: Wait.
Jack: No, that's literally it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So there is no barrier.
Cristina: We made it up.
Jack: It's mental. It's somehow psychological. And we physically implemented it. Because again, I think about what I just said. Think about what I just said. It's absolutely natural and normal. For a creature, nature to feel fear, that is part of nature, it keeps you alive. And in doing so, you'd bring in another creature, probably the creature that preys on the creature you were scared of initially. Thus the cycle of life. And then humans come into the picture. We start thinking really hard, where do humans come from? Yaldabaoth was thinking really hard. And somehow that leads to starting to make a distinction. He thought so hard a distinction happened. And so we then within the said distinction, instinctively always make distinctions. But within nature there's no difference. Did Yaldabaoth make this realm or was this somehow always here? And thought makes us think of one coming first and the other one second.
Cristina: Possibly.
Jack: If it's all always existing, then there was no beginning to it. One didn't make the other. They are always one piece, which is literally what it says. They're sort of the same program. It's. He didn't make earthrealm. Earthrealm is a bubble with walls built inside of the shadow realm.
Cristina: It.
Jack: We are just a shadow realm.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: We're what you call. If you decided, f***, California. That's a mess. We're gonna wall them off. That's exactly all it took. And then boom, they called it Earth Realm. Here we are.
Cristina: And that's. But Earth. But the things on Earth did that. Not Yaldeville, I guess.
Jack: Yes, right.
Cristina: But then it's.
Jack: It's a combination of both somehow, is the argument here. He somehow was the catalyst to a state of thought that made us literally wall off something that, in other words, we might be able to just perceive.
Cristina: Now we have to be tricked into letting these things in.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: When they should be able to, but they can't because our walls in our mind or whatever the walls are creating.
Jack: And then there's the individuals who know how to simply dissolve those and bend reality, which isn't bending reality is how reality was meant to work. Yes, but we don't. We limited ourselves so heavily. Well, that makes a lot of f****** sense. Suddenly. I guess not following the line was way more useful because it allows us to just really unpack. There's so much to unpack.
Cristina: Yes, there is.
Jack: And this makes a lot of sense, I think.
Cristina: I don't know. It's fairly random. But we got something.
Jack: Yeah, this definitely feels like something, but it feels like something we wouldn't be able to research.
Cristina: No, I don't think so.
Jack: It feels like something we can't follow, but makes sense based on the conclusions.
Cristina: But we know Hermes talked about it like it's there. It Was always there.
Jack: Yes. We just didn't understand it incessantly. Talked about all the time, forever. It was. He literally. His teaching.
Cristina: He was telling us.
Jack: And he broke the same teaching up into three different methods. And he taught it three different ways to three different kinds of students based on the ability they had and the information they had. He was very, very determined. This is how it works.
Cristina: Maybe he'd be proud of us.
Jack: He would be proud of us.
Cristina: But.
Jack: Okay, okay, let's follow this thought. Let's be logical adults here and say we are going to. We did discover it. Okay, Point number one accomplished. We get it. I get how it actually makes sense that it didn't exist. There is no shadow realm. There is no Earth realm. There's cohesive thing. And chances are that's probably how it works based on what we're seeing with Elfim as well. So there's no differentiation.
Cristina: There is no. There has to be. I forget because, like, you have to kill the fairy to whatever. I don't understand.
Jack: I don't know. I don't know.
Cristina: Never mind.
Jack: We don't have any. No, it doesn't make any sense. I don't know. It breaks down pretty hard. It kind of works like science does. Like, if you go far enough, it just falls apart.
Cristina: Yes. We have pieces there. It makes sense, but it doesn't make sense because there are actual barriers. So then did he make them? He was the one that made them.
Jack: No, because the way he describes it, a name that translates to our understanding as physical beings in our language, as a forest. That's not something he by description made. That's something that by description happened when.
Cristina: He murdered that fairy.
Jack: Yeah. It wasn't like, here are walls. The theory is he then took advantage and built around it. But what the f*** does that mean?
Cristina: What does that mean? But yes, he definitely did. He definitely did. I don't know how, but he did. We know he did. He saw beings in this new space. That's still that space, but somehow different. I don't know.
Jack: I don't know either, man. There's some. Something weird there. And also, what the h*** is wrong with Loi, dude? Why, like, what do we. First, we're not even sure if his. Because, like, the title is Loi. I'm getting that. It's either a last name or a title. We're unclear. But, like, he didn't have a lot if his last name was Loi. Did not. Or he didn't. Like, he invented last names. What the is happening? And that's why we know him. He invented last names, and he's famous for that, but I got lost. We just know Loi.
Cristina: No, I don't think so.
Jack: So, yeah, he had a name, and it wasn't Eloi.
Cristina: No. Wait, why wasn't it?
Jack: Because. Why would he not. But didn't. What the f. If he was the first? I mean, he wasn't.
Cristina: He wasn't. Who was the first?
Jack: Many. There were many. He's one of them.
Cristina: Crap. Okay.
Jack: He's just one of them.
Cristina: Oh, he was lying in the first one.
Jack: No, he was a guy. He would have had to been born like anybody else. Oh, so it's slow progression. There were many.
Cristina: Okay. I don't know.
Jack: So it's weird.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: He's not the first. He has a first name. Or is that his first name? And we follow that last name. And the like people aren't link, but they'll go by that name because they are assuming the role.
Cristina: Well, then who is the hero of time?
Jack: Well, the one we call Loi was the first. He did have a name. And we don't know if Eloi was his first or last name or a title awarded to him, but whatever he. That's what survived.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And that's how we refer to him. The question is, was that the last name? Was that the title? And if it is, what was his first name? And Yahweh was his son.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And Jehovah was his grandson. Son of Yahweh, all with Eloi in the back or all part of something. And they're not related.
Cristina: They could probably not be related because of the time zones.
Jack: I think, additionally, it leans more into being a title than a last name when you consider the fact that Jehovah did not have the stones, but Loi did. And when we find the stones again, Jesus is acquiring them from the Shadow Realm. So we still don't know why Eloi doesn't give them to Yahweh and Yahweh doesn't give them to Jehovah. We just know Eloi has two of them. And then we go, we come back to Jehovah looking for all three of them.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And then we don't know anything about Yahweh. Who should have had them.
Cristina: Yes. Why? But yeah, they can't be related because, like, why didn't they just pass down?
Jack: Why didn't get passed down? Why did it immediately get lost? Or did it get passed down and where they know enough about Yahweh and he lost it somehow.
Cristina: It would have to have been Stolen. It can't be lost.
Jack: If that did happen.
Cristina: Crazy thing to be losing, like, if.
Jack: He did have it. Yeah. It got stolen.
Cristina: I would think so. Like, there's no way that. I mean. Oh, no, no.
Jack: Not with what it is. Not what it is. It might be the most important thing ever.
Cristina: That's too random. But then again, like, the way Jesus. No. Yeah, but he stole it too. And he did it easily.
Jack: Easily. It took him a day, maybe.
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: Maybe less, maybe.
Cristina: I don't know. His story was epic, though, of getting those songs. Yeah.
Jack: He's also kind of exceptional, like, I think.
Cristina: But I don't know what happened to those original ones.
Jack: And then he also has the ability to be necromancer. Come on, Manny. There's something wrong with this guy. He has to be the most op. Even Hermes has to be shook by Jesus. If Jesus could do what Hermes can, what can't Jesus do?
Cristina: I don't know, because he's probably not even here anymore.
Jack: And we keep calling him Jesus because we're Westerners, but really we're just talking about some kid named Emmanuel.
Cristina: Well, he changes his name also.
Jack: Jesus was one of them. Exactly. We just know he was really, actually literally born the first instant mentioned and seems to be the most repeated name that echoes through other cultures is Emmanuel. That seems to be the most consistent. Emmanuel is what his name was. So some dude named Emmanuel was just a f****** savage?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And, like, could do whatever, whenever, however, wasn't even doing bad with it. He was just telling people, like, you.
Cristina: Could do it too.
Jack: I don't give a crap. Nothing matters because you're God. You, like, you calling yourself God isn't cheating if you can do whatever the f*** you like. I get that. It's not literally I was born from a star or some crazy s*** like that, but what the f*** would be the difference at that point?
Cristina: Well, Hermes is as powerful. Like, how are you choosing?
Jack: I don't know if Hermes is as powerful. That is a problem, I would guess.
Cristina: Because of how powerful Santa Claus is.
Jack: Yes. But let's assume Jesus, who has three stones, maybe four, and Jesus, who not only has all those stones, who he had. He could just make a stone. He needed these op. Specialized stones.
Cristina: To do what?
Jack: I don't know. But he has them. And it was effortless to get them. Whoever had them is dead, presumably because what.
Cristina: Or.
Jack: Or even within the shadow realm, his abilities are so savage that he can just pop in, pop out, and you don't even know it's gone. I Don't know the caliber at which he went. And the same f******. They got it.
Cristina: Well, we don't know if it was a day.
Jack: Literally says three days.
Cristina: Oh, that's so dumb. That's so dumb. But that's part of storytelling. That doesn't mean that it actually happened three days.
Jack: It says everywhere on earth that has ever reported about this one guy vanishing. It says everywhere. They were all impressed. It took three days. So either he's OP as f****** s*** and there's no comprehension for just you walking down a hallway of Nothing but demons 30 times your size and you're just John Wick your way straight through that hallway. Effortless. They don't even touch you. They couldn't touch you if they wanted to. You just make it to the side unscathed.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Or there was f****** nobody guarding that b****. And it's like you just happen to know. Exactly. Exactly. The only option here is he's more powerful than whatever the stole them the first time, which successfully took them from arguably.
Cristina: How did he know? Like, how could it be that fast? Like, even. How could he know?
Jack: I think he does have telepathic and psychic powers and a bunch of crazy. I think it's so old he just.
Cristina: Knew where they were.
Jack: I think he's.
Cristina: Because he's just new.
Jack: Or maybe he just didn't. I mean, Santa does.
Cristina: I know he knows.
Jack: Like, he knows whatever the f*** he wants to know.
Cristina: I guess so.
Jack: I guess this is the power of a necromancer. Okay, it's just the power of a necromancer. Look at it like this. Let's unravel some more of Hermes logic, right? The barrier to everything exists because you built it. Additionally, there is no differentiation between that and this. Us and them. That's all simultaneously the one same thing. So really, my knowing where it is is as easy as me deciding I know where it is because that is where it is. Because I know.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh.
Jack: Do you see the problem? Like, if you understand what he wants you to understand, what can't you do?
Cristina: There's no stopping this guy.
Jack: Yeah, it's as easy as, well, I know where it is because I know everything.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And because I know everything, I know where it is. It must be here. And then you go in and say, because that's the only place it would have been.
Cristina: What's the point of doing anything?
Jack: You can't stop him. But he has to be. I guess the caveat. And I think this is where we all f*** up. I think this is where it Stops making sense to all of us. And I think somebody did a really good job about explaining this logic to us. Weirdly enough, it was Nicolas Cage in the movie Next, where he sees into the future by a very specific margin. But there's a trick to it. He doesn't always see the future all of the time. He thinks about it like a thought. It's a thought he can have towards the future. Mm, Interesting perspective shift. Now, let's apply this in real time. Santa doesn't know what everybody does all the time. He has a bag with a wormhole that connects somewhere. He shows up because he has the magical ability to teleport. And then when he's there, he can think about you and gauge what when he gives it to you that night. So the same effect takes place. He had to think about it in a moment, but it's fine. He's everywhere all the time. At least from our point of view. He had to think about it. Now he's not thinking about it all the time. He doesn't just know everything all the time, but if he was in a fight with you, he's just thinking about what you're doing next. You're never landing a hit.
Cristina: That makes a lot of sense. You see, he knows. Yeah, he just has to think about it. Like, even though. Like, the part of him knowing whether you're asleep or awake.
Jack: Like, not literally, but he could.
Cristina: Like, he could if he's there. And he didn't have to be there about it.
Jack: If you just thought about it.
Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah.
Jack: He doesn't know who the f*** you are. So he doesn't randomly just know what the f*** you're doing. But when he shows up at your house, well, he's here. He could think about you. No, it works. And it solves for X or whatever. Interesting, right? And it allows us to have a situation where. Well, we have instances of Jesus being, like, duped or moved around. But how? Well, he didn't know what to think about. To dodge it, you have to be looking for it. It's a thought. You have to think about it. And if he's not thinking about it, well, that's the way around. Except you don't know what he knows and what he doesn't know. Because he can just jump in your mind. Because he could just bend s*** with his mind.
Cristina: Why didn't they just murder him?
Jack: He was an experiment and the idea was to see how it goes.
Cristina: I don't know. I feel like the moment they up.
Jack: I know they up, they f***** up. I don't know if they f***** up. He doesn't seem to give a. About anything.
Cristina: Possibly. Unless they're all dead. We don't know that either.
Jack: Murdered them all.
Cristina: There might not be any.
Jack: Jesus happens. And the amount of silence it just follows exactly is absurd.
Cristina: Everything.
Jack: Everything can be dead. Everything.
Cristina: We don't know.
Jack: Silence from every direction. All of it.
Cristina: Except for creatures here and there. I guess.
Jack: Yes. But they're not even from here. They wander in.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: This mean that's 99 of what's left creature events. But we have and weird instances of relic ship being found and people being where they shouldn't.
Cristina: That's it. But the humor. Everything.
Jack: Dude. He's born. We got years of people running and hiding and shifting and changing narratives. Changing entire empires built around correcting the existence of this guy. And that's dies and then it's all gone with him. Just poof.
Cristina: But then it could just be. They're really good at hiding after that. I don't know. It's so.
Jack: It's because. Yeah. The biggest issue is the creation of the church happens simultaneously with the birth of Jesus.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Not simultaneously literally but within the same hundred year period. So the correction effort that is monstrously educated and sophisticated coincides with the existence of Jesus who just shows up. It could really be that it's too risky. And too many people saw where we are. We just moved and we changed the story. And so you guys just don't know. And so it looks crazy. And they're invisible because they're just good at their job. Or they're dead. Everybody's dead. All of them.
Cristina: Easily either one.
Jack: And we're not part of the beef. It was those f******.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So he's just gone because he finished the mission of murder Everything.
Cristina: Or he escaped. I don't know. Yeah.
Jack: I'm assuming that's what it means. That he just left.
Cristina: Yeah. I don't know.
Jack: He just dipped out and left this realm.
Cristina: But we'll never know if they're still alive. But I'm guessing they are because we still have the be the triangle doing its thing.
Jack: That's right. We got this whole thing happening up there. So they're still down there. If they're not then at least for however many thousand years their systems have been running in the cloud. People don't even know.
Cristina: Yeah. Okay. I guess that's possible too.
Jack: I don't know. You know Like. I don't know. I don't know man. I don't know. I don't know. You're telling me that the Mayans and the Egyptians and the Greek and. And these guys and those guys, are they alive? So everybody just dips. Everybody just hides sophistication. And it all disappears with them. All the advanced technologies, we just get shreds that obviously they couldn't bury a hundred thousand percent of it. If they got thousands and thousands and thousands of years of recorded history, but they remove all of it, then many thousands of years happen and things get buried underneath and we lose history of how things happen and blah, blah, blah. So they relied on time. Because time stops being a factor when you can live really long. Because they can plan for that. They can plan like, oh yeah, I could f****** live a thousand years. Whatever.
Cristina: That's true. I don't know. Okay, yes, there's factors here.
Jack: We forget all the time the fact that longevity is just casual here.
Cristina: But we don't really know how long. No, they can live forever because they figured it out.
Jack: Yes. Literally in text it says that several different instances. I believe it was three. We got a mention of Azazel figuring it out. Azriel. My bad. Azriel figuring it out. As part of the Garden of Eden group, which seems to have been in connection with Hermes, who himself was already a necromancer, who by default seems to have the ability to have the ability to make themselves immortal. So it's like there's mentions of immortality. We also know Merlin was also immortal. We know St. Nicholas is also immortal. And based on those examples, we can speculate St. Patrick is too.
Cristina: He has to be. I don't know. And is he still around? I don't know.
Jack: So like, what is. What is all of this? What are we even talking about?
Cristina: What do you mean?
Jack: Like, what is this topic? What are we talking about? That is the problem. What are we trying to figure out? That is the problem. What is the point? So what? Where they went? Is that the goal? Or who? Why? Why what Jesus did? Question mark. What is the point? Yes. Okay. The truth is out there. About what? Everything is a lie. Apparently. So what the f***? Let's just accept it's all a lie and keep moving on. Yeah, exactly. So where we aiming? That's what I don't understand. It's like. It was interesting when it seemed like it was going somewhere, but now, f***, everything is a lie. So who the f*** cares then? If everything is a lie, then what does it matter?
Cristina: Does not. Because nothing's real. I don't know.
Jack: Exactly. So then just call it all bullshit and continue with your day. But no this is a f****** program. And we're expected to report.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So where do we lean? What we have to. There has to be a focal point that makes sense to move forward because where the h*** do we go? Is it the stones? No. That's a tool. Jesus also seems to be a tool of sorts who just happened to be a living one.
Cristina: Mm. Everything that there's too much things we can't figure out though.
Jack: But do this. Any of these things. It just feels like answers to trivial s*** as opposed to like knowing like, what is the. I just wanna. The question of the question. Not the answer I'm looking for. The question of what are we looking for? If I can answer that question.
Cristina: Answer that question. Yeah.
Jack: Because the answer to that question will give us a question.
Cristina: What are we looking for?
Jack: Yeah. If we could just answer that. No, because we're not looking for Jesus. We have. It was hard, but once you find the first thread. Now we know. We literally traced his every step until he died.
Cristina: Is the end goal. But I don't feel like it is because the end goal might be just going out of the matrix.
Jack: Which. What the does that even mean if we can't access that? Yeah, but it's not because getting the stones would in theory just allow you to accomplish that. Or not even just getting the stones, but being able to move from one system to the other. Which was yelled about this initial thing. So still hearing stories after that point defeats the purpose. It couldn't have been the point. You see the problem?
Cristina: We can.
Jack: We can rule things out.
Cristina: That makes it easier.
Jack: I don't know. Yeah, but it doesn't help us know. I mean it does its own things. And I suppose this is definitely not about getting out. It's not about the stones for sure. They're a tool.
Cristina: But what could it possibly be that's difficult because Jesus is high up.
Jack: Necromancers.
Cristina: They figured out everything. They figured out how to live forever. They probably figured out how to be happy. Unless it's about being happy. Like what could they possibly be needing? We're wanting.
Jack: Who's the bad guy in the story? Who's the good guy in the story? What's the problem? What's the problem?
Cristina: What's the problem? Is the problem.
Jack: Yeah. What's the problem? There's a lot of information. I guess there isn't a problem. I guess what we're really uncovering is just a bunch of suppressed history. It's just stuff happens. Life junk and junk. This stuff. It was just stuff that happened. We're Just investigating stuff. There's no goal here. Sometimes there was war, sometimes there wasn't. Some people were starving, sometimes there weren't. Some people had God, sometimes weren't. A lot of science, a lot of technology. These guys like those guys. These guys argue. That guy's really good at his thing, that guy's really s***** at his thing. So they fight a lot. This guy's opinions, that guy's no opinions. It's just people. We're just uncovering people and a lot of secret society people. So it's like, oh my God. But it's just. It's just people.
Cristina: It's just people.
Jack: If we just uncovered secret societies, now it's just a bunch of douchebag politicians and a bunch of rich a*******. Like that's it. That's all it f****** is. There's nothing else. And some celebrities who don't happen to be f****** either. Whatever. Either way. It's just those bubbles ultimately. And that's not anything. If we really observe them, they're not running the world, just idiots trying to outdo one another and trapped in some other system that they're part of or whatever.
Cristina: The probably involving blood, but at some point.
Jack: But even that far up, it's just like more living. It's just part of their world of living. And it looks crazy to us, but they're probably looking at some. They probably look at us ignorant as. Like, look at them thinking blood is ignorant. Stupid animals. And then meanwhile there's some miles ahead of all of them. Look at these ignorant still using blood like some primitive fat.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Like, you know, it just is infinitely up and infinitely down.
Cristina: Yes. So where.
Jack: Because like Hermes said, as above, so below and everything mental and blah blah, blah.
Cristina: But have we explored it all?
Jack: No. H*** no. It's infinite because it's just people living.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: It's countries, less people obviously, but it's still countries and that's still people and it's still science and it's still wars and it's arguments and debates and faith and society. And the cool thing he did that we recorded because it was cool.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And like it's just all the same s***, this history. Not to say if that at that point. Because we can keep digging under that logic instead of trying to zone in on something specific. We now have enough threads to pull on that we can kind of investigate this world accurately without it being about anything and try to investigate just things that connect to us directly. Or is there a f****** point I don't? Because the fact that they didn't leave. And we're still hearing stories.
Cristina: But we're not hearing stories. We're just uncovering old stories.
Jack: Old stories.
Cristina: So there might not be any new stories unless we can. And how do we go about finding those?
Jack: Well, we get to the 1500s and we come across aliens. Not aliens. Come across the Rabbi who makes the golem.
Cristina: That's not that.
Jack: And he's hearing Jehovah dark, which is really just Yaldabaoth. Come on, man. 1500s, it's not that long ago. That's not that long ago. That's still the Alaba doing something.
Cristina: Why?
Jack: And from where nobody found you. You're not. Jesus didn't kill you. Okay, guess. Fair enough. We got the answer to that one. Jesus didn't kill the other Baoth. Did Yellabouth have the stones? I don't know if he has the stones. Did he? When Jesus did he have them originally? And Jesus got them from him because he's definitely who tells the Rabbi how to make that f****** thing.
Cristina: But why?
Jack: But why? But why is the goal like that?
Cristina: Doesn't even feel like it was for anything. Just to see a new thing existing, something very controllable. Yeah, it was.
Jack: Yeah. There was very little about what the point was elaborated on. It was.
Cristina: But it wasn't like they made more. It was just a one time thing.
Jack: But he was instructed quite directly and it was quite pressing to make the thing. And so he did. But why?
Cristina: Why?
Jack: It wasn't for the Rabbi. The Rabbi doesn't matter here. He's a tool. We can throw him to the side. Why the golem? The golem is also a tool. But the point of that tool. Why? We know the point of the Rabbi as a tool. Make the golem. What's the point of the golem as a tool then? Do the what for who? Who are you?
Cristina: No, because he didn't seem like he did it much. He didn't do much.
Jack: No.
Cristina: He was just doing random crap for.
Jack: Him, like, I don't know, bodyguarding and s***. And then he would just deactivate him at random.
Cristina: Yeah, it doesn't seem important.
Jack: It doesn't seem important. Yet here we have an instance of yellow. So it's experiment. It was just to see if it worked. There's still something happening. It was just to see if it worked. That's even weirder that there wasn't a goal for it. It was an experiment.
Cristina: What was he made out of clay?
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Or something?
Jack: Yeah, yeah. He animated random s***. He managed to bring some bullshit. He made a homunculus yeah, he brought some random s*** to life.
Cristina: Did he use blood for that? Or stone?
Jack: He did use blood. Children?
Cristina: Oh. Oh. I don't know. I don't know. What. Okay, so is this where we're going? Where are we going?
Jack: I don't know where we're going. I know we're going.
Cristina: I don't know because there's Nothing now though.
Jack: 1500, that's as close as we got. Arthur happened before that, I believe. And if not, pretty close. We got closer. We got Antonio Draco. That 1700s, late 17, early 1800s. That's not even about anything. That's just some guy who knows about the place. That's not anything that has to do with these other people.
Cristina: No.
Jack: Most recent catastrophes we can try to link to things for the sake of blood or whatever the h***. Making stones or some. One thing or another.
Cristina: And you don't think alien abductions and all those stories have anything to do with it?
Jack: That could definitely just be. Yeah, for sure.
Cristina: Okay. But not to do with any sides specifically.
Jack: Yeah, I think it's just events. I don't know if it's. That's the biggest problem. Like, what's the picture here? Yeah, there seems to be that there is still a picture. I can tell you why. Very specifically. We had the moon landing race thing, the space race, and following us, doing that, we finished and we. That's it. We just got the thing. Accomplish the thing, whatever the case might be. There doesn't need to be an infinite amount of moon related things because it was accomplished. We hate each other. We did the thing. F*** you, we're done. These people hate each other and there's no reason for them to be working together. So they don't. A lot of these work together and then people like Greeks and the Elysians don't. But still the Elysians who work with the Greek, with the Egyptians and the Mayans and the Greek who work with whoever the h*** they're doing, are still aiming in the same direction. There's a goal they have, even if you and I don't know what that goal is. These are independent parties. The Elysians are not only an independent party, but they're an independent party who have two other parties that assisted them for the same goal of what? So much so for this goal of question mark that arguments that broke people out of groups, got all those people together to form yet another group in the shadow realm for the same purpose of this.
Cristina: Which is.
Jack: Which is what? They keep doing the same thing for what There is. There is something.
Cristina: The love of science.
Jack: It's not the love of science.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It's too identical, what they're all doing. Okay, that is a problem. If it was the love of science, then all of their loves of sciences would. But how is it that even random geneticists from over there come in and it's for the same purpose.
Cristina: What's the purpose?
Jack: The purpose. Random engineers from over there come over.
Cristina: Here and seems like they purpose everything.
Jack: Out, yet still they're looking for.
Cristina: What are they doing?
Jack: Do you see the problem there does. There is. There's a bunch of stuff painting it, pointing in one direction.
Cristina: It's not to get out. Maybe it's to get more in. Maybe they want to make another layer like we are to the Shadow.
Jack: Oh, I've never thought about that. But we do that ourselves, you know, when. Like the Hedron Colliders, essentially, that.
Cristina: That might be their thing too.
Jack: Yeah, I guess.
Cristina: But like, we don't know because, like, the Shadow Realm gets so much from us. What if we're trying to get something too? I thought we have so much already from us. But maybe digging deeper, there's gonna be more stuff. Whatever this stuff is.
Jack: That's so abstract.
Cristina: Yes, because you know how they're feeding on us, so maybe we want something.
Jack: We do feed on them, don't we?
Cristina: We don't feed on the Shadow Realm creatures. They feed on us, but not like. I'm not talking about, like, eating us.
Jack: But like, using fear.
Cristina: Using fear. Like. Yeah, it's like it makes them stronger in a way.
Jack: Yeah. They literally harvest our energy for themselves.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Man, I don't know. It's so weird.
Cristina: And like, maybe it's about energy because everything in science, you need more energy. Right?
Jack: But then why are they trying to get over here and we're trying to get over there?
Cristina: We're not trying to get into the Shadow Realm. We're trying to get into whatever is the next thing.
Jack: A lot of us are trying to get into the Shadow. Like. Like most people are just trying to get into the Shadow.
Cristina: Well, those are regular people. That's not the fair.
Jack: Fair. Yeah, those are the people.
Cristina: Like the. The.
Jack: The people who. The Shadow Realm is easy too, are trying to get into Alfame.
Cristina: Yeah, but maybe it's not about Alfame either.
Jack: It can't be, because.
Cristina: Exactly.
Jack: They can do that. Yes, some can do that. And they'll rather hang out here. Why?
Cristina: Because of what they get from here. But what if the next thing would be even stronger or whatever?
Jack: So the argument Is. It's not down. It's not up. It's down.
Cristina: Yes, it's down. It has to be down. Because once you're up, it's like, whatever you. You got it. It's easy. But like. No, I don't know. I don't know.
Jack: I don't know either. I don't know either, man.
Cristina: It makes sense and yet I don't understand it. It's there. It's there and I don't get it.
Jack: I know that everything is pointing in one direction. That's a fact. I don't know what they're trying to do.
Cristina: They're not pointing up, they're pointing down.
Jack: They're pointing somewhere. They're pointing. So they're all point. I don't know where they're pointing. They're all pointing in the same direction, though. They're all pointing in the same direction. The. Some of these, like I said, some of these people hate each other and will opt into working with one another for this thing through that hate. For the whatever. For the whatever the f***.
Cristina: So is that the question? Is that what we're looking for?
Jack: I guess. I guess the one and only question we're trying to figure out is what is their goal? That's it. We don't care about who's involved.
Cristina: No. Because they're all involved.
Jack: Everything, all of everything that has ever happened is about this. Yes, we do it. And we don't even know what the f***. People at random are f****** trying to do the thing without even knowing they're trying to do the thing. The point of every part of everything that we can perceive is to somehow be the best at doing that thing. And some do. And so society happens around that individual and they build mega things and some are whack average normal people and nothing happens. But the point is that everybody has the potential to do whatever the f*** this is. So that the one exception, if we go back far enough like, like 150 episodes, and we go back to an episode where we were trying to really comprehend God Jehovah. There was one interesting feature that seemed to be in some of these stories. And it's the idea that this creator didn't no longer want to be a creator. His point was to get something to evolve to the point that they can replace him so he could go to the next thing. Do you remember that conversation?
Cristina: Yes. Yeah.
Jack: Everything, all of everything is aiming in one direction.
Cristina: I think it's the opposite, though. I don't think they're trying to escape to the fairy realm, which would be reality.
Jack: It would be more about what Hermes is talking about. It's not out, it's in.
Cristina: It's in. It's in.
Jack: Out is so easy for him.
Cristina: Out. Yes, out is easy. And then once you figure out how you figured out this area, whatever this.
Jack: Is, all of this. Because you can see from the outside.
Cristina: Easy. But then you want to make your own.
Jack: If you can. That's genius. If you can look at your universe from the outside. European.
Cristina: Because you're like a God, but you're not a God. You're a God. You're a God when you can make your own realm.
Jack: Yes. Oh, s***.
Cristina: Which is down. Which is what the goal is.
Jack: It's down, not up.
Cristina: It's down.
Jack: It's to make a realm in which you are literally God.
Cristina: Yes. It's what whatever the shadow realm guy did.
Jack: Yes. And it's literally. This would actually correct for language that we don't understand. Literal sentences that don't make f****** sense that conflict with things. This actually fixes it. Think of something like Worship me and no other gods that comes from directly an individual who knows he's not, but has the goal and the purpose of making himself a God through.
Cristina: Everyone wants to be. Mel. Is that her name? Meb. Mab.
Jack: Mab. Yeah.
Cristina: The goal is being Mab.
Jack: The goal is to be Mab. Yeah.
Cristina: Because like, she's not the only one. But she is the one for us at least. She's the goat. She's the. She's the God.
Jack: Yeah. She's the top of the point. We can see so far.
Cristina: Yes. But there's others like her and they're probably all equal to her, but she's still the special one.
Jack: And she. Well, to us.
Cristina: To us. Exactly. So I think that is it.
Jack: And it's. The point is to be the special one to something else.
Cristina: Yes. Don't know why. No.
Jack: But the argument would be. And here is where I would argue. Let me throw some. Some thoughts at you. To try to confirm what Hermes is saying simultaneously. Right.
Cristina: He's saying all of it.
Jack: Well, listen to me.
Cristina: Okay, okay.
Jack: Okay. It's pretty simple, Right? So have you ever tried to talk to an ant? And if you did, would the ant know you're trying to talk to it?
Cristina: No.
Jack: No. Right.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: No, it wouldn't. It has no idea, no matter what you do. It wouldn't comprehend.
Cristina: No.
Jack: If an alien sufficiently advanced enough came to talk to you and it tried everything in its power to. But it's just so it. We. We're not even registering that it's talking to us?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: I just taught you the border of the realm where one exists and the other doesn't. And it's entirely based on a f****** gap of information. I just showed it to you and I didn't need anything else. Think about that real quick. You do not exist to the f****** ant. That's a mental border.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: The alien does not exist to you. That is a mental border. It can try to talk to you any and every day, but you're not ready for it. But when you are ready for it, it'll just f****** be there. Like it was always f****** there.
Cristina: Okay?
Jack: That is the f****** border of the realms. It's a level of understanding. That's why it's information. That's why he said you don't need this other s***. That's a download that's gonna hit you with a lot and it's gonna f*** you up.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: You don't need it. You could just get there. It's here. Here is there?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You just gotta know how it is here is there. That's what meditators tell us monks and these people know. It's all. There's nothing. It's all the same.
Cristina: But can they get to the goal? Like it seems like they still can't go make a new thing. Like even Hermes doesn't talk about making a new.
Jack: So it must still be hard, even if mental.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: The argument must be that somehow I can think. Think something else into existence.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And there's a way to do it and I just don't know how.
Cristina: I think that's the goal. I think so. Because like, it's the hardest thing possible. Like even just thinking of.
Jack: And you had to get through science to get there.
Cristina: Yeah. Like maybe Hermes was trying to figure it out and that's what his teachings are, Trying to help someone eventually figure it out. But I don't think he got it. No, not that part of it. Like he got a lot of it.
Jack: Of course he got the farthest.
Cristina: The farthest. But I think we know where he. Where he couldn't pass. Where they might all not be able to pass through.
Jack: But does the border make sense? Yes, it does, Right? I think we're starting to understand Hermes.
Cristina: A little, I guess. But like you think. But he. This is his research. I think he has to have been helping them for this, right? Maybe.
Jack: I don't know. I don't know. There's no mention of down. There's only mention of out.
Cristina: Yes. There's only mention of outs. That's Too complicated now. We gotta look. We gotta. Okay, maybe that's where our next thing.
Jack: Is then try to find down.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Does anybody try to find down or ever mention it? And what would down be if both Shadow and Elfhame are up? What the f*** does down mean? You'd think, oh, based on our interpretations of language, Hel is always down. But that's not the case. No, that's also expansion.
Cristina: You gotta re. Look at a lot of these things because it might be there somewhere.
Jack: And we just so much in front of us.
Cristina: Because problem is rereading.
Jack: Yeah. Rereading with new context changes what we find.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It's like. That's why it's infinite. We can just keep infinitely digging into anything. So that's why direction matters.
Cristina: So this might be the next thing then Maybe. If we can figure it out. If we can't, then I don't know.
Jack: So what's the ultimate goal we're looking for? Seeing if they're trying. What. What down are they trying to get to?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Or can we find that they're trying to get down?
Cristina: Yes. Is that the actual go?
Jack: So can we find that they're trying to get deeper? What for?
Cristina: What for? I don't know. Because there always seems to be. I don't know. It has to do with power maybe.
Jack: I don't know.
Cristina: Like it seems like everything is infinite anyway. But they want more.
Jack: They want more of something.
Cristina: I don't. I don't know.
Jack: I don't know either, man. It's a little absurd.
Cristina: I think this is where it's. What's next. I don't know. Maybe we don't find anything.
Jack: We don't find anything. But it's the direction to look. We still got Yahweh shelf. There's a bunch of Yahweh stuff I've been looking at. Not necessarily stories about Yahweh, but mentions of individuals I think might be. And it's like. I don't know, whatever. Somewhere to go. But like everything is somewhere to go is the problem.
Cristina: You'll find this answer that we're looking.
Jack: For this new or the stones. I really want to know. It's. It could help to track the stones because that seems to be a strong. Like it's important to accomplish the whatever. So like a lot of people are. We're at least closer to the whatever with the stones because they need the stones for the whatever. Even Jesus, who I thought was the whatever, went to get the stones.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So the stones are connected to the whatever. Yes, whatever that might be.
Cristina: Which makes sense because the first whatever was the fairy stones.
Jack: Yes. It was this random occurrence of whatever.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And we did whatever. Yeah. It's just whatever that happened. Here we are.
Cristina: Death that's created a stone or not a stone. Tree. I guess it was a tree, not a stone, but whatever.
Jack: Because he had a stone. I don't know. It's so. Because you were always. We're also literally talking about the moment before what we considered the universe existed. So, like. Like we're not gonna find the answer to that one.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: That's like not even a written story. How there wasn't anywhere that existed to write it.
Cristina: Yeah. His son could have written it.
Jack: Weird. I mean, I guess after he came over here.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Fair. Fair. How do we know about it? It is at least what we know is written somewhere.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So, like, what we know was written.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So somebody f****** mentioned him.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Yeah. Fair and fair enough. If we talked about it, it was written. There's no exception. We can go and find out more.
Cristina: Or even if there's not more. We just need to relook at what we've seen and see. Like, did we see something and didn't know what it was? And now.
Jack: Yes, that's actually. And there's probably a lot of that.
Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot that we got to reevaluate because we figured it out more. I don't know.
Jack: We get more information and then it's easier to understand other random crap. That's really the infinite cycle. You got to keep revisiting. The same expertise is about coming to something with the eyes that you learned. It's sort of being a writer. Right. Any writers or any painters or any. Any. Anything listening creators, they know the following process, which goes as follows. You begin creating whatever you're creating. And you don't know what you're creating, but you thought you did, so you start making it. And by the end, if you're writing, we'll call it a draft. So you finished. And if you're painting by the end of the session, but by the end of the draft, I guess it's easier to explain what writing. You get to the end of the draft, and in writing it, you learned kind of a little more what you were trying to write, what it was about. It was not what you thought initially. It never is. But also your skill level came up enough that you can go back and you're a little better to work on some things. So you start the editing process because the skeletons are right. And in the editing process. You see all the problems and you fix them. Or so you thought. You saw the problems as you go through it. You start writing down the ones you didn't have solutions for that you start going through. And then you make it to the end and you realize, holy f***, that was a lot. But the ones I stumbled at the beginning, I figured out by the time I made it to the end I can go fix those. And so you start going through it and you develop the skill necessary to catch up to the ones you're going to come through as you work through it. But you spot more. Because you have the skill to spot more. Do you see the problem? It doesn't stop.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: You could do this forever. A writer has to do what? Choose when it's done.
Cristina: Okay. But this isn't done.
Jack: Exactly. We have to choose when it's done.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Because all we can do is become more expert of this. And also we have no idea what the f*** the goal was. I don't know if we can find out. But that's a great direction.
Cristina: Hermes wants us to continue.
Jack: Hermes is pretty in there. He would know.
Cristina: He needs us to continue.
Jack: And he knows what the goal is.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Or I don't know that he has to. Right?
Cristina: He has to.
Jack: If anyone.
Cristina: And Jesus does.
Jack: And Jesus does. We. Do.
Cristina: We.
Jack: Okay. So let's. Let's think about this. We believe Jesus knows. We believe Hermes knows. We think the Elysians know. We believe all the research groups. Yeah, all of them. They know. They're working towards it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Who else knows?
Cristina: Probably all the necromancers. Whether they're part of it or not.
Jack: Fair. Just because. Information.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And they need a lot of it. Which means they've probably stumbled upon or do it between or around just to.
Cristina: Get to where they're at. They had to know.
Jack: A bunch of shadow individuals know. But some of most of them are.
Cristina: Also part of the group. Yeah. They're in part of the group. So it doesn't matter.
Jack: I don't know. There are the. I like one thing I do like about this. It feels way more believable because we also come across random f****** stories that have nothing to do with anything. Like the judge was just some s***. Just some. Just a story about a guy whose sister was connected to a main character. That's it? Yeah, that's it. Unimportant.
Cristina: Turned her into a main character. Like if he didn't stumble upon this.
Jack: Yeah. Yeah. Really. It's the story of her. But his story is cool.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: He's the only reason she has a story, I guess. Yeah.
Jack: And her story is way more important. She's literally in like shaded places with the. The girl that then became an important girl over here. Yeah.
Cristina: Weird. Okay.
Jack: It is weird, man. It's so strange. There's so much weird crap going on. Anyways, so that's what we got. We. I guess we're gonna. I guess the goal is to look for individuals, man. Hermes is right somehow. And it's weird. And like, the more I think about.
Cristina: It, giving us the answer, we just have to.
Jack: We're done.
Cristina: Think about it.
Jack: Yeah. That's all it is. According to his own word.
Cristina: He's got it.
Jack: It's there, it's there, it's there. If we. If we don't. We don't have to go. We don't have to look at anything. According to his teaching, a hundred percent of it is there. It requires no other information. We're just stupid. That's it. And if you think about it harder, it just makes more sense. The fact that I could think of a possibility of what a barrier option is, that I could just think away and put that into words. I just. Alan Watts for a moment. That's how I feel about that.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But also, was Alan Watts a f****** necromancer?
Cristina: We should look into Alan Watts, I think, because, like, I think you should take a note on that. Like, I really think he might be. The things he says, he says too.
Jack: Effortless, it seems too understood, too, like.
Cristina: Yeah, like, he might not be the strongest necromancer, but he knows he gets it.
Jack: He at least knows surface level s*** student.
Cristina: Like, he never became an official.
Jack: Yeah, like, I'm sure Alexander the Great. Yeah, he didn't become a necromancer. But man, was the op enough to be impressive.
Cristina: Like, yeah, like they might have been students, but never like passed the test.
Jack: Like, yeah, exactly. Like, he seems op by our standards, but not op enough to pass that test, homie. Yeah, but still by human standards. Most impressive s*** we've seen.
Cristina: Yeah. So we might be able to find stories about student necromancers. There might be a lot more stories of student necromancers than Kangaskhan was in there somewhere.
Jack: We're talking this guy f****** terrorized and manipulated and controlled things larger than most earth sized countries. That's crazy.
Cristina: If not, maybe he had someone or something with him. Whether it was an ecromaster or a. What are those guys called?
Jack: Naga.
Cristina: Naga. That's what I was thinking. Maybe we should look at him too, because, like, That's a little. I don't know. That's a lot.
Jack: So, yeah, it's a lot going on there. He did a lot to just be a dude.
Cristina: So we got people to look at. We got people to look at, ideas to think about.
Jack: Fair enough. Fair enough.
Cristina: So we got something.
Jack: Well, I guess, yeah. So we have at least a place to start looking for if you guys have any information, anything you guys want us to look for specifically. Maybe you guys have a direction we can go in, a focal point, something you've seen that you've been screaming at, your f****** thing at.
Cristina: You think that's connected somehow that we haven't talked about or you're so close to talking about or you mentioned but never got into.
Jack: Yeah, exactly. Like, what if? What have you spotted that we're brushing past? And yes, you're like, say it. And we're like, we don't even realize we're not, you know, tell us, send us messages, do that on our socials. Usconvopada, TikTok, Instagram X& Facebook.
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Jack: Yes. And tell people about the show. Word of mouth matters. And they can come and check out. The fact that we're slowly unraveling and apparently still, even when we think about it, still making moves forward.
Cristina: That's awful. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.
Jack: Bye. Good morning.
Cristina: Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.