Rambling 268: Hermes

Who is Hermes Trismegistus? Is he somehow connected to the figures we have uncovered? Is he our Master Necromancer? The duo unpack what is known and what is hidden about Hermes and his secret teaching. What’s uncovered and what it implies once again alters everything we thought we knew!

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Topics Discussed:

• The Hermetica
• Secret Teachings
• Aristotle
• Three Prophets
• Hermetically Sealed
• The Magnum Opus

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. Oh, my God. So baffling.

Cristina: Are they really that baffling?

Jack: They're always baffled, aren't they? Aren't you baffled? Haven't you been baffled every time? Haven't I managed to baffle you about the misconceptions, about the kind of. The level of ignorance we have on 100% of all the information all of the time?

Cristina: Yes, it's pretty baffling. Yeah, pretty baffling.

Jack: It's pretty baffling. So next time when we were talking about a school, talking about a school, we were really, as usual, investigating some other part of this infinite Rubik's Cube. And in the school where Aristotle, by the way, Aristotle was teaching at a school that was allegedly inspired by Apollo, who happened to be a Greek God, but happened to be in the notes as an individual who just happened to be in the school along with Jehovah as well, which is very interesting. And it gave us Jehovah's last name, which is overpowered. Now we know Loi is either last name or a title. And all of that happened. And within those same notes written by Aristotle in the library of Aristotle, they are kept in Lycium, the school, there is a mention of Hermes Trismegistus.

Cristina: What a name.

Jack: It means thrice great.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yes. And that mention in Aristotle's notes does not describe him like a mythical individual, but rather the same way it does with Apollo and Jehovah. It describes Hermes Trismegistus like not the deity Hermes Trismegistus, but the individual Hermes Trismegistus. There is a legendary figure that's based on a God named Hermes and a g******** hoth. And there is also an individual of this name who has none of the characteristics of either one of those two that share all the characteristics with the first Hermes Trismegistus, but the share none of the characteristics with the second Hermes Trismegistus, which is the legendary. No, not legendary.

Cristina: Very confusing. What?

Jack: Yeah, there's like four guys with the same exact name.

Cristina: Did you talk about this last time? No, no.

Jack: You got questions, I got answers.

Cristina: Okay. Okay, like, okay, what?

Jack: Yeah, the level of unpacking you want is up to you. I got way into this.

Cristina: Ok, okay. So there is a God that he's based on or something.

Jack: There's a God named Hermes and there's a guy named Toth.

Cristina: Are they really. They're related.

Jack: There's a man. No, they're not the God named Toth, the Egyptian God, by the way, the Egyptian God named Toth is literally a member which. You remember this from last episode. Was literally a member of the Greek gods. I mean the Greek gods. The Egyptian gods. And Hermes is one of the Greek gods.

Cristina: How do they relate?

Jack: There are two legendary figures named Hermes, Rhys, Megisthus. There's a real guy. And all of these fake characteristics applied to the other guy. It seems that there was an actual guy.

Cristina: Does Toth have to do with anything?

Jack: Both the characteristics of Toth and Hermes are the same. Become Hermes Trismegistus.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: He is a combination of both these individuals.

Cristina: Okay. Is he like their child or he's some other thing?

Jack: Or there is a fictional character, okay. That people took from Hermes, the real Trismegistus man, okay. And built a mythical version of him. Stories that became so different than the real man that it became a different man of his own. A man nobody ever saw. A man nobody ever shares his name. Yes. Identical almost to Toth and Hermes, the God. It's a combination of both of those. Seems to be hers. Hermes Charisma guesses.

Cristina: Okay, so with the school, are we talking about this made up version or this God version or both?

Jack: That's up to you to decide as we go through it.

Cristina: Okay, what, what, what's the difference? What was the God about? Was he also about the rules of the universe or whatever?

Jack: Yeah, he's just one of the many gods of creation. But not really, no. Within the context of the information given, he was just one of the Greek gods.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: So as far as we. And we went through him before when we were just going through the Greek gods and the research they were doing as a research, he was just background eyes. He was a helping hand. He wasn't an important God.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But the characteristics of Toth blend. Thrown in a blender with Hermes equal the last name. Trust me guesses. And now you got a new person. But it turns out that that legendary fake made a person was actually a real person too. So there are two individuals with this name, the fake character and the real person. And the real person was also very impressive. The problem is that neither one of these two people share characteristics. There are two legendary individuals, one of which has nothing but fake characteristics that never happened. Because it's made of two real individuals that actually existed.

Cristina: It's very confusing.

Jack: And then one guy who actually has things he did in the real world.

Cristina: And Socrates is writing about the fictional one or the other one.

Jack: That's for you to decide. It sounds like he's writing about a real one by all of our discussion. So I don't know why you're asking. And obviously we would be talking about the real one we established before. But you can decide who we're talking about based on the context of what we're talking about.

Cristina: Okay. What?

Jack: Yep, that's where we. That's where we are. We got this Hermes guy that we know is lurking in the school. According to Aristotle's notes, he mentioned three people again, Apollo, Jehovah. Yes, and Hermes.

Cristina: And Hermes was just a teacher.

Jack: What we know of him, we don't know if he was just a teacher. We know he was a teacher. I don't know if he was just a teacher. I know he was a teacher.

Cristina: Is there more on him?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like what?

Jack: You want all of it listed? I could just list it off.

Cristina: I don't know what's important to. If he's the guy we're looking for.

Jack: Well, that's the investigation we're doing. The point is to find that out. I can't tell you if he is a guy we're looking for. No, like if I knew I would just start there and be investigate from that point. Well, he's the guy we're looking for. This is why. But that's not the case for hopefully trying to figure out if he's the guy we're looking for. So that's for us to Conclude. But. Hermitras McGussj. Right. The questions we're coming in with are essentially who is he?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Is he somehow related to our greater narrative other than being this guy who seems to fit the suit? But we've come across coincidences before.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And ultimately is he our necromancer? Is the question they're going in with. Right. So immediate things that matter. The first and most important mention of the name happens to be exactly on paper, by the way. Happens to be also in the Hellenistic period when we were looking at Alexander the Great, which puts us where we wanted to be to begin with. There's holes in this explanation which I'll get to.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And to catch up again, he's also the author of the Hermetica.

Cristina: Those are hermetic principles.

Jack: The hermetic principles and the philosophies and narratives surrounding it. Now, several important figures within both Islam and Christianity have described him As a wise pagan.

Cristina: What? Okay, yes.

Jack: These are people of the past and people of the present have both described them as a wise pagan. I found that very interesting. And some descriptions included prophet. So.

Cristina: So weird, because the Hermetic principle doesn't feel very like he's talking about a God or like he's saying many gods have made us. Unless I missed it.

Jack: Well, the Hermetica includes a bunch of texts about religio philosophy, but it seems to lean into that religion is ultimately philosophy. Because his teachings, which I have listed right over here. Let's see if I can. So his teachings, right. They included the fact that he believed in a singular universal philosophy that would thread through all of the religions and sciences of the world, essentially proving them to be all correct and one simultaneously.

Cristina: Doesn't sound very pagan unless I have no idea what pagan is.

Jack: Well, yes, because he believes in every.

Cristina: God, but also they're all the same one God.

Jack: Yes. So these are in the. Keep in mind, I didn't say he describes themselves this way.

Cristina: Okay. I said yes. Okay.

Jack: Yes. Leaders within Islam and Christianity call them this. And we know Christianity at this time is also. Well, not Christianity this time, but Christianity in the early stages. And most of the sects of Christianity now are just a manipulation of the true narrative of what happened. They're gonna slander whatever the truth was no matter what. So we already can't believe what they say?

Cristina: Yes. Oh, that makes sense. They have to claim he is okay. And also, they probably don't understand what he's talking about.

Jack: They probably do.

Cristina: Well, then why would they be against it?

Jack: Because they are against him.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, interesting enough, other than this Aristotle mention, which he describes him as wandering the halls and waiting for either an elite or a special group of students that he would teach either some secret or private information to see. He's either. He either has elite students that he teaches some profound knowledge to where he's molesting Hella students, in which case this dates back to that time where his special students got the best treatment, which, like, I wouldn't be shocked if that's what's happening happening here. Because we'd also not come up with age limits yet. It was just probably a bunch of miners. Who knows at this point, but minus that possibility, it looks like he was teaching people who could learn and that they were elite, not minor.

Cristina: Okay, Disturbing. Okay.

Jack: I mean, it's the pattern at this point.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Especially because we're talking about leaders of leaders. And it seems like the people always doing this is leaders of leaders.

Cristina: So he could be one.

Jack: Like, if he fits the suit 100%. And like, if we. If we turn enough stones, that's always there, along with adrenochrome. It's like I'm already milking them for blood. Might as well f*** them. Like, I think that's the ultimate idea. That's why we always find both, since they're already here.

Cristina: I don't. I don't know. Maybe it's like I already have them.

Jack: In a cage and I'm milking him for blood. Like, how far can I go? Like, whatever. Oh, I got further than just raping them. Imma just rape them too.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like, you know, that's ultimately the thought crossing their minds. Like we do all this other dark whatever. Yeah, they're jaded. They don't care.

Cristina: So crazy.

Jack: Okay, now again, he was discussed roaming the freaking holes.

Cristina: What?

Jack: You're a real person. The real version of you. There's records of this man. Many living life, doing things.

Cristina: He lives in the school?

Jack: No, he was just wandering the school and waiting for students. And then he goes and teaches the students and who the knows where. And they learn what the knows who.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But weirdly enough, he's quite connected to the Greek gods, because other than just Apollo, he also mentions Ashlepius. Aristotle mentions Asleepius, which you don't remember him directly, but you probably remember the name. No, you don't remember Sleepiest, because the sleepiest is the one who becomes Glycon, a snake. The Naga.

Cristina: The Naga. Yeah. Okay. He met Sleepius.

Jack: Well, I actually. Original. So this is a weird one, because in the text where we find Asclepius, we have texts about Aristotle as written from the perspective of Hermes, where he also talks about Asclepius. So the argument here is the same as Aristotle writing about Jehovah speaking with Apollo.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This is Hermes writing about Aristotle talking with Asclepius.

Cristina: Philosophers back then were weird.

Jack: And they were like.

Cristina: They all did that. Like, all of them.

Jack: All of them. And this is funny because this, like, it would feel way more made up and if it wasn't for the fact that like when we even talk about Plato and Socrates is like this. Just talking about that.

Cristina: Exactly. It's like. Yeah, the same when we were. I don't. I don't get it. It's the. It is weird.

Jack: Yeah, it's just. They're just talking about each other. That's it. They're just gossiping and reviewing. Yeah, that's it. That's the whole thing. Whoa. The revelations we came up with because of gossip.

Cristina: Yes, that's exactly how it works.

Jack: He's stupid because he thinks this and I think that that's pretty much it. Yeah, Sums it up. That was the whole wall. Revelations were all so amazing. The renaissance is happening. But that's basically kind of sleepiest.

Cristina: Sleepyish.

Jack: Yeah. It was just be basically being mentioned within the text. There's no specific mention other than within a couple of conversations. Nothing was outstanding.

Cristina: It was just hanging out.

Jack: Yeah. Talking with students. He was seen in some interactions. It was just there.

Cristina: He's just there.

Jack: Nothing important. But he's present. That's just notable because it's another God being described again as an individual, which we also have on many others. And then we connect based on who in different texts they're said to be around. But now we have some of the people that. Because again we'll find like Zeus and there'll be literal text of a guy who fits every description of Zeus. But it's different when we have literally somebody saying the name and it's like, oh no, they were just a person. And it's like, oh, well, we knew, but we didn't have the proof. We just knew because all the data. So everything is a theory until somebody's like in a record. This guy is literally like, okay, one dude. Yeah, now that's different. Now it's a record that I can be like somebody was like straight out. That's. This is not a metaphor.

Cristina: Yeah. Did they mention sleepy is not becoming something else or something or it just.

Jack: No, it was just a mention of them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We can extrapolate that the events were probably true too based on it matching all of the other narratives we have that kind of fit the, the total image together. But this just. I like to note these moments when somebody confirms what we were already believing. Because 99.99 is not proof, it's a theory. Until somebody's like, no, I was there and that was just a person. It's like, okay, then that's a hundred percent. We have a first hand account of like that's just dude, whatever. Then that's different. That grounds it and that proves the things. And this s***'s hard to find because a lot of these people just discussed as gods in most texts and they were just.

Cristina: Did Zeus ever visit the school?

Jack: Not as far as I know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now in the Quran I found a mention of Hermes, but by Jehovah in which he says he is a man of truth. So that's getting. Now I still have no idea based on any of these. If Hermes is Elysian or human based on what? I'm thinking human based on what we know of the other potential necromancers.

Cristina: But we don't have proof either.

Jack: We don't have proof on any of that. But he's on Jehovah's good side. But also Mary might have been human.

Cristina: Who?

Jack: Mary. And she was also on Jehovah's good side. So like there's not exclude. And like, so St. Patrick, there's not exclus. And Peter, like there's humans on his good side. It's not a rare, it's not impossible. Although rarity. Yeah, but he's a man of truth.

Cristina: That's what he said. He's a man.

Jack: That's the line from Jehovah.

Cristina: So then why do other people not like him? Why are they calling him pagan? If Jehovah's saying he's not, he's.

Jack: I think it's the branches of Christianity that aren't led by the Elysians.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think it's Jesus, his branches of this.

Cristina: Very strange. But I guess because he wants himself to be the one on top no matter what.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Jehovah doesn't care.

Jack: I don't know. We actually have no clue.

Cristina: And why else would he want the other religions to be raised?

Jack: Well, no, eventually he dipped anyways, according to all this crap. So like I don't get any of.

Cristina: It, whoever's running his thing.

Jack: Yeah, I think it became the personal interest of other people. I think the lack of a leader is just leaders will come and thus cults will happen. But I don't think it's like his narrator. I think he dipped and let it all fall apart. But we also have no f****** clue. Again, these are just the stories that built on the pieces we put together.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But I find it interesting that Jehovah was on his side.

Cristina: That's awesome. It was interesting.

Jack: Now we're going to touch some important details because in reading I came across a word. I'm familiar with this word. I wasn't familiar with the words origin with the term. I suppose it's a term, not a word hermetically sealed. Except now saying it out loud within the context, it's like, duh. It's obviously related to what? Hermes, obviously.

Cristina: Oh, hermetic.

Jack: Yes, yes. It gets a little interesting now.

Cristina: Seal, seal. This. This is magic related. Well, this sounds very pagan. Okay, I changed my mind. He's a pagan.

Jack: It was happening. It was gonna be. It was gonna be. But as I read the following next sentences. Brace yourself. Because we've found things again that we weren't looking for, but that are answers to questions we had and some we didn't. So the term hermetically sealed originated literally because of this one. Hermes we're talking about who existed within the school of Lycium. It came specifically from taking residue left over from the magnum opus procedure, then placing it inside a glass and then sealed airtight by fusing the neck to the lid. This hermetically sealed container containment would then be heated for approximately 40 days to result in the philosopher's zone. The magnum opus is only the first steps of it. We thought that was the entire setup. Hermes actually knows the rest of it. Not only that. This predates.

Cristina: He's an alchemist.

Jack: He might have been made this s***.

Cristina: He. Oh, crap. What?

Jack: It's called hermetically sealed. Because he invented it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The last steps are literally named after him.

Cristina: Yeah. To create the stone.

Jack: The philosopher's stone. The reality bending philosopher's stone.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Hermetically sealed literally connects back to how he used to seal this vasel. That he would put the residue from performing the magnum opus. And that last few steps of putting it there, sealing it and superheating it.

Cristina: For he was murdering his students. Were they special in that way? Like they were gonna be sacrificed?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Because where's the residue coming from? Dead bodies?

Jack: We don't even know of him performing it. We just know that that's where that procedure comes from.

Cristina: He has to have though.

Jack: I know he performs it. Obviously it's named after him. But he's teaching these people.

Cristina: There's no way he just does the final step to it. That's weird.

Jack: Obviously he doesn't. I'm assuming. Keep in mind what we're talking about. Keep in mind what we're talking about. We still don't know what the rules are other than knowing how to use tech, a certain kind of philosophy and knowing Latin. Right. Basic requirements. But what do these culminate to make? Does he need you to find out all the other steps of the Magnum opus and somehow they lead you back to him and then he can teach you the rest of it. And only people who have gone on this road can piece all of those things together. I don't know.

Cristina: But he's making a philosophy stone.

Jack: He seems to be the guy who literally designed the method because it's called hermetically sealed. Unless there's an older method that doesn't have the seal. At least as far as we know. A part of the process is literally named after him.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So predating the process, having your name in it is pretty far back.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: As far until further proven. I'm claiming he's the guy who made it because he also fits every other suit we need him to fit. And this would just be like easier than saying some other guy you have.

Cristina: To sacrifice people for that.

Jack: Yes. I'm sure he's not sacrificing his students. That's stupid. He would be finding other people to sacrifice. Especially if he's working for the Elysians.

Cristina: And the Greek gods. They can just probably make things for him to sacrifice.

Jack: Yeah. And there's probably different degrees if there's a lot of experiments happening.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Also the thing I didn't mention last week, don't they. They have a couple. Yeah, the thing I didn't mention last week, the lycium is literally in descriptions. The one of the known descriptions. Didn't find anything on it. I looked to see if I could come across anything. But one of its literal descriptions is that it was also used to hold occult rituals. So putting this into that perspective now, there was definitely philosopher's stone creation happening in there that they were interpreting as cult rituals when in reality it was science. But if it's a suit of you just sacrifice a person or some probably kind of culty looking.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But it's secretive. You guys are doing some. That kind of looks like magic. But really you're doing some traceable steps in science.

Cristina: Yes. That's weird. What? They're sacrificing Nagas. Fake Nagas. They have a bunch. They're just making them those prototypes that are trash. Like he could just get rid of them.

Jack: Why would he have a Naga?

Cristina: No, when the gods. When they made a bunch and they're like these are all defected anyway.

Jack: Right. But he's not one of them. Why would he have access to any of that?

Cristina: Because they visit the school.

Jack: The Naga?

Cristina: No, the Greek gods.

Jack: The Greek gods don't visit the school.

Cristina: Oh no, not the Greek.

Jack: Other than just Apollo, which is the.

Cristina: One that's working with these Nagas, making them.

Jack: Zeus.

Cristina: Zeus. That's one.

Jack: No, this is not a Keto is.

Cristina: Zeus is not the one that's making other ones like the. The main Medusas.

Jack: Yeah, that's keto. That's Zeus's mega.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And he's never visited the school?

Jack: No. As far as I know, no. The only individuals of note are the ones I've mentioned which are Apollo, it is Aristotle. Hermes, Just these individuals. Essentially. Yes, there were Alexander the Great and these individuals. But they were within the tiers. There's also tears in the school and within the tears that we're looking for. Alexander and his friends simply connected us to Aristotle. Yeah, they're surface level students. Their parents are rich type of s***. As opposed to. You really know. The deep knowledge. They don't know the deep knowledge.

Cristina: They were just in the right rituals and Etc.

Jack: Yeah, like the deep, deep s*** unrelated to them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that's what I believe was really just the making of the philosopher's own.

Cristina: But how are they making it?

Jack: By sacrificing people. They would bring obviously would be. Why they described it as a second as ritual. Cult rituals.

Cristina: Obviously just people.

Jack: What else would they be sacrificing? In every instance it's people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Other than the crappy experiments we've known locally that are included butterflies and other.

Cristina: That is very.

Jack: Okay, we know of attempts to extract it from other. But like no, he was. They were more likely than not just bringing people to perform it, I guess.

Cristina: But I feel like the school would have a pretty bad reputation.

Jack: Why? If it's a secret, like how would they have a bad reputation? It's a secret. That is the point.

Cristina: No one would mention. Like that's a. That seems like a hard.

Jack: You're either learning it or dying.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. What?

Jack: Yeah, it has to fall into that category. Like this secret society. Some people can keep secrets. And that's also probably also why there's not a bunch of them. And I'm sure anybody who's tried to talk has been offed immediately.

Cristina: I guess that could happen. The Socrates never mentioned any of that though.

Jack: No, you mean Aristotle.

Cristina: Aristotle, yeah, Aristotle.

Jack: No, but again the fact that he has. So it's basically you perform the magnum opus and then you hermetically seal it. Those are two different sets of steps. Hermetically sealing is three steps and the magnum opus is four, seven steps total to creating a philosopher's stone. We thought the magnum opus was the entire process. Yeah, but it was the first half. The first part at least.

Cristina: So you keep it sealed and then what?

Jack: You heat it.

Cristina: You heat it.

Jack: You put it in there with some chemicals, some gases. In the script, it's not explained what they are. Some gases, some material. You seal it and then you heat it for 40 days. I was trying to find out what to put in there. There was too many different things. None of it. It was. And it was a coherent. It ranged too widely for you for it even to matter.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like. Okay. There must be some way to zone in on this. At least I know those steps exist, but I couldn't figure out what it could possibly be. What it could possibly be. I know you perform the entire magnum opus and then you take that and you hermetically seal it, and it goes through those two processes, and then you have a philosopher zone.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: So now we have the completion. As far as we know. Unless the third part shows up.

Cristina: There could be a third part or.

Jack: A first part that we didn't know about.

Cristina: Oh, that's possible too. We have no idea.

Jack: Yeah. So as far as we know, the magnum opus is being hermetically sealed. And that is you hermetically sealed. The magnum opus and thus philosopher's own crazy.

Cristina: They were making a philosopher stone.

Jack: Yep. So this is a weird. The philosopher's stone seems to be about as rare and secretive. We were trying to compare and see how many of those we have. So the philosopher's stone seems to be about as secretive of an item as the people necromancers are.

Cristina: Yeah. Since it seems like.

Jack: We'Ve got Adam and Eve. Those are two philosopher stones. For a fact.

Cristina: Yeah. And whatever. No Christ, no Santa Claus is carrying with them.

Jack: Yes. Well, that brings us into an entirely different point to talk about, because in our attempt to answer whether or not this individual is a necromancer and he is out here working with now literally coming across text linking him, hermetically skilled is literally tied to the magnum opus. It is the last steps.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So you know how to make philosopher's stones and necromancy tied together again, because out of the individuals we know, and I've got this right here, which are St Nicholas, St Patrick and Merlin. All three depictions at one time or another featured red gem. What we discussed this we talked about. I don't remember all three of them. Nicholas has a staff with a red gem inside it.

Cristina: That was a necklace.

Jack: Patrick has a necklace.

Cristina: Patrick has a necklace.

Jack: Patrick has a necklace with a red gem inside it. And so does Merlin. Also has a red gem in his necklace. All three.

Cristina: What about Jesus?

Jack: We don't know about Jesus, but there is. Fair enough. No, you're totally right. Jesus also has an image which I do remember us talking about. That's not in my notes because I forgot about that and I didn't look at it. But I do remember specifically that he does have an image with also a necklace that seems to be more popular than the staff, unless the staff just allows it to be larger. And hence he's op. Because of that. Because the one in the staff, assuming the glow is to scale. The one in the staff is bright, bro.

Cristina: You sure it's not a necklace? He has a staff.

Jack: He has a staff. He has a staff with a red gem in it. And then Patrick. I looked at the notes. I looked at it and Patrick has a necklace and so does Merlin.

Cristina: And maybe Jesus.

Jack: Jesus also. I don't remember Jesus. I didn't go and check. But yes, I remember he has a necklace as well because I remember the specific image with the thing around his head.

Cristina: Okay. And Hermes has the necklace.

Jack: Well, Hermes is literally making them. I'm just talking about that. They're all connected to it. They're all connected to a red gem.

Cristina: But he doesn't. We don't have any stories of him wearing it or descriptions of him having something like it.

Jack: No, but he would need it. Why he can make it. These people have it because they didn't make it. It. He has it. He wouldn't have it. He's handing out the ability.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: As far as we know, he wouldn't need it. Also, if we had descriptions of him, this would be way easier than it is right now. The fact that we don't is part of why finding him is a problem.

Cristina: Because it's all secretive.

Jack: Yeah. If I had like a clean consistent. This person said this. This person said that. These are literally the same words. We would. No, I just need two individuals who line up. That's it. We know who he is by default.

Cristina: But we don't even know that much about him.

Jack: We know that much about him. It becomes quite a problem quite quickly. But I'm about to tell you why it becomes even more of a problem.

Cristina: Why? Okay.

Jack: Because this is where the point will happen.

Cristina: The point.

Jack: The point. So as far as we know, based on the information we have discussed, he seems to actually be the guy we're looking for. Although we don't have. Again, it's too hidden. But he fits the suit. He's messing with philosopher's stones. In fact, making it. He literally. There's a part of the process named after him that's crazy. So he might have made the process. There's nothing more necromancer than having designed what necromancers use. I think that's okay.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And he's teaching people this private knowledge that is already the ridiculous. Yeah. Super secretive to get there. And we know the steps to even be acknowledged or considered are super difficult to. And incredibly secretive. So kind of a lot of lining up lines. But what were you gonna say, like.

Cristina: How many people are actually learning this? Or, like, just being a part of the class doesn't mean you actually get it?

Jack: I think that's the case here. I think it's. People will be eliminated gradually as they figure it out and figure out who fits and who can do it.

Cristina: Okay. Because it's super rare that someone actually succeeds. I'm guessing thinking so.

Jack: Because we don't know about a lot of cases. We're talking spread out and few.

Cristina: Yeah, three.

Jack: We got three, maybe four. And with this guy, maybe five.

Cristina: That's crazy. Yes.

Jack: We might have more stones than these guys. Yeah. We have to Adam any stones. Yeah. Because let's think about it. We have Adam, Eve, whatever Yaldabaoth was using. We have whatever Santa has. We have whatever Patrick has. We have whatever Jesus has.

Cristina: Jesus.

Jack: Then we have the one that Merlin has. We're up to seven with that.

Cristina: Well, Merlin's not carrying the stone with him.

Jack: As far as we know, Merlin wears the necklace.

Cristina: Oh, yes, yes, yes. Yeah. The bell has a stone.

Jack: Yes. That's how he got the fairies.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. Okay. Ow. Okay, that's seven.

Jack: Yeah. We have. We've. We're finding stones now.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We've unlocked the next level. We're finding stones, but somehow we still have less necromancers. We're up to three potential assurances, plus two huge maybes, which is the other maybe Jesus and Hermes. Although Hermes might not be a maybe. He might be the top of this. And then I see four plus one.

Cristina: Maybe Jesus may or may not. I mean, he is created from the stone, but he also probably has a stone.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Yeah, but if he doesn't have the stone, he still probably has the powers of the stone without having the stone, because he was made from the stone.

Jack: We don't know if these people are even can. We don't even know if they have a stone. We just know a red gem is in their possession. The one in St. Nicholas art is glowing. That's probably definitely it. In the other cases, it's just red gems. I don't know if bigger size means crazier illumination. And because it's in a necklace, we don't see it shine. So crazy. The only staff is the shiny one. But if it were to scale, then those could also be stones, and that would put us relative to scale. Like, we. We understand where they rank based on their stones, in which case we could literally just play a photo game and put them together and see who overpowers who.

Cristina: You're saying Santa overpowers everyone.

Jack: I think he. If the size of the stone matters, then he is on a whole other level.

Cristina: How did he even get such a big stone? Is he related to the school somehow? Was there a Nicholas student?

Jack: I don't know. But. But where? This gets even more complicated than talking about her medically sealed and finding out that he potentially designed the entire thing is when we talk about the three prophets. Because now something recently familiar is gonna make a little more sense. And now I'm starting to think it might be just cultural. So let's look at the following couple of steps. The three prophets are Enoch, Noah, and the Egyptian priest king. Why do these three individuals matter so f****** much right now? I don't know.

Cristina: They're from Egypt. I don't know.

Jack: All three of them went by the name Hermes Trismegistus.

Cristina: No, I didn't slap one. That makes no sense.

Jack: I found text with all of them going by that in their respective times.

Cristina: Why? Why? What does this name mean?

Jack: Well, like I said recently, new but this is a callback because as we also know, Loi turned out to be very similar.

Cristina: It's just some type of title.

Jack: It's just some type of a title. And now we're talking about somebody else. And I in looking through it, find they're not just of two people, but several people with the same name. Literally the same name. Because although I cannot confirm to you if Nicholas and Patrick are directly, I think, I think maybe either they also go by or went by Hermes Trismegastus, allowing it to be a lengthy name that transcends time. Or they aren't necromancers because Hermes Trismegistus might be a title for necromancers.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. What? But then is there like, how. How can they be related to his Hermes? What about them?

Jack: They're just labeled as Hermes in one text or another talking about them. So for example, if you look at Enoch, he's referred to as Idris, and Idris is then referred to as Hermes Trismegistus. They are the same guy. So you find Enoch through Christianity and then you find him in Islam where they literally one to one him to Idris. They're like, no, we just call him this over here. And then they change his name to Hermes Trismegistus as a title for what he does. And it's like, wait, so wait, hold the up. So you're just telling me that Enoch is Hermes? Trust me. Guess this, because you're literally saying that Idris you're literally just saying that Enoch translates to Idris, and the Idris is Hermes. So indirectly, I don't need him to say it in Christianity, because they said that they're prophets.

Cristina: But how does that relate to them being Hermes or Hermes?

Jack: Like, I don't know. They're just labeled as the three prophets, which are Enoch, Noah, and the Egyptian priest king.

Cristina: But they're not making stones or anything, or do they have stones?

Jack: I don't have any stories of them having made stones.

Cristina: And is there any stories of Hermes prophesizing?

Jack: There are many stories of Hermes prophesizing and getting it correct kind of often.

Cristina: Oh, okay. What?

Jack: Yes. But there are also many stories of Patrick doing that, and there are also many stories of Nicholas doing that. Weirdly enough, there are also many stories. Literally, the story is that Merlin did that. That is literally the Arthurian story that he literally prophesied. So in every instance, they prophesied and got it right. All of them.

Cristina: So you think those are. Then Hermes is a title, not an actual. Like, he's who they're talking about in these other stories.

Jack: Well. Well, here comes the need for an important metaphor that luckily. Thank you, cw, for making things popular at the right times. Oh, no, this was amc. No, thank you, cw. Thank you, amc, for making things popular at the right time. So that references make sense. With appropriate context, I would like to bring subject A. Negan.

Cristina: What?

Jack: A man who is, in fact Negan, but also a bunch of people who believe in his ideology and perform his bidding. Also go by Negan because it protects who Negan is to all go by Negan because then it obstructs who he is, where he is, what he's doing. If everybody just goes by Negan.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This allows one incredibly important logic to be applied every. And by the way, I have to add the very next detail that it's very important because this is gonna send that home. This is the mic drop. I usually wait for a completed episode that is about in over an hour. But I'm dropping this and just done after I make my point, because I don't need a better point.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Hermes is not just a title people take, a name they take because everybody who fits the suit of Hermes, as we have gone through their images before, they all dress exactly the same. They all look exactly the same. Even within different religions. They usually. And follow my logic very, very directly here, within different religions, regardless of how the religion itself dresses. We're talking completely conservative, fully covered from the beginning of time religions and opposite religions that are okay with just being who you are in your flesh. All default to the same aesthetic for their leader, who happens to be long haired, bearded, in a robe, usually draped robes in a Roman style. Even if you're in f****** Islam, it doesn't matter where the h*** you wear. You dressed exactly the same and your leader looks exactly the same. If you remember literally the three individuals I used for Jesus for the image of us recently talking about Jesus when we were talking about his other titles, they all fit the same suit. Well, if you actually put all of Jesus's aliases next to St Nicholas and St Patrick and Merlin, you couldn't tell me who the f*** is who. Because every single one of them is indistinguishable in how they look in complete contrast to all the images of all the people drawn around them.

Cristina: What are you talking about?

Jack: All the art representing all of these individuals looks identical. Describing the individuals, even if. If we know within context they are not the same individual. While all the people around them looked completely differentiated from this one center person who always looked identical to each other. I believe that the ideology of taking her matris megistas. We will just use Negan for the sake of explaining this better. I believe they weren't just going by Negan. I believe they were opting into looking like Negan, talking like Negan, sounding like Negan, talking about Negan's philosophies, pretending the beaniegan to everybody they ever came.

Cristina: So we don't know who the real Negan is.

Jack: It would be so hard to zone in on who he is. Because the point was the philosophy.

Cristina: One guy.

Jack: There's one guy who began it. And the point is to obstruct who that is. The goal is to obstruct who that is. But the although good job in your mission, you created a bigger mission problem that helps us.

Cristina: How?

Jack: Because we know what we're looking for. You gave us thousands of examples of it. That's where he f**** up. Yes, you gave us thousands of examples to comb through. But in giving us examples, you reduced us from having to look through a billion.

Cristina: Yeah, okay.

Jack: Do you see the problem? So the logic for back then made sense because there weren't a lot of people. We're talking a fraction of the people. Hundreds of thousands. A couple of million people. Maybe a billion people at that time.

Cristina: All these people like Santa and whatever are like students of his who decided.

Jack: To really followers of the philosophy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And users of the ability. And presumably individuals who had to study underneath literally whoever the real Hermes Is. Yeah, but this is where we get the problem, right? Because we have the God Hermes, but that's just a person that happens to share the name. Because fake Hermes Trismegistus. The legend is just narratives of these two people overlaying over that guy's name. There's God Hermes, and then there's Hermes Termismegistus, the guy. And then there's the legendary figure Hermes Trimagestas, who has the name of the real guy and the characteristics of the two gods that spun out of control because the real guy was so impressive, but also a complete mystery. So you had to slap information on him because he has to exist in these shadows.

Cristina: Okay. So confusing. But the God version of him, it's not him.

Jack: It's unrelated to him, I hope, because this makes sense. He's not mentioned in any context. And the guy that is there is Apollo, not Hermes.

Cristina: Where's Hermes the God from?

Jack: He's part of the researchers.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This is background noise from that group. Not even impressive.

Cristina: Okay. There's no way he could be the same guy. I don't know.

Jack: Nah. Is this a name? These are just people and they're allowed to have names. And sometimes names are.

Cristina: Because he has the whole name or just his first name?

Jack: No, he says first name.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Okay. Thought he was also calling himself Hermes.

Jack: No, he just has the first name, Trismeguessis. The only people sharing that entire name are Enoch, Noah, the Egyptian priest king. Whoever was going by it at that moment in Alexander the Great's life next to Aristotle. And people we don't know are using the name, but might be because they fit the visual descriptions. The locations and the abilities would be St. Patrick and St. Nicholas, but they.

Cristina: Were not calling themselves Hermes, as far as we know.

Jack: But they fit the look. Which means if you were trying to disappear, you would go by one name, and if you're trying to be visible, you'd go by the other, which fits. Every time they're going by Hermes, we just think we're hearing about Hermes. Who knows how many of those times we were just talking about one of them doing something.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because there's no way to know when who is what. Because they all go by Hermes and they all can do the same things.

Cristina: That's complicated.

Jack: And they can show up through different time. They can all bend time so they can all pop up at different points in time. There's no linearity to them.

Cristina: Can her memes mess with time? I mean, yes. The prophecies are.

Jack: Yes. And necromancers the prophecies line up with time bending. Yeah, yeah, that s***'s clean across. Like they're obviously seeing some as they're with time. And then they tell us about it.

Cristina: Yeah, okay.

Jack: That just answers each other. That's why they're accurate about it. It's not. They got powers. They're using science. They figured out the problem of time travel. Yeah. It's all science. There's no abilities. There's no magic. All of this is written down. And they just follow the steps to get it done. That's all it is. It's all just science.

Cristina: And he. I don't know if we proved anything.

Jack: I don't know if we proved anything either. I just know that the guy who is. We know. Most likely. But here's the other problem. Right. Because Enoch predates the dude in that building by quite a while.

Cristina: How does that make it make sense?

Jack: So the guy. The first guy isn't the guy in that building.

Cristina: But how do we know?

Jack: Because. I don't know. Because also we know that at least the other two people are ageless.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So potentially it could have been the same guy the whole time.

Cristina: The same guy. I think so. That makes a lot of sense.

Jack: It makes a lot of sense. All. All jokes aside. Yeah.

Cristina: With the whole philosopher's stone thing, like. Yeah, yeah. He. He should have the ability to live forever. That's what he wants to do.

Jack: So you think it's just the same guy.

Cristina: I think.

Jack: And that it's not a bunch of people using his name.

Cristina: No, I think it's the same guy.

Jack: I think it's the same guy who has just been doing this one individual. And we. It is. That guy is here.

Cristina: Yeah. That's like before he decides to teach people what he's learned of becoming a. What's. What is he again?

Jack: What do you mean? Before he decides when.

Cristina: Before he decides to become a necromancer or not a necromancer. Before he decides to teach necromancer is before being just the prophet. Being known as a prophet. Before the school, he was just a dude.

Jack: He was just a dude. Fair enough. But these other individuals are known as prophets and they go by that name. That's the other problem. They literally go by that name.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's where the issue begins. So you bare minimum, have people going by his name if they're not him. Even if they're not him. Or. Or is the same guy. And instead what we're talking about isn't these guys going by Hermes. We're talking Hermes Goes by these names.

Cristina: Just like Jesus.

Jack: Just like Jesus.

Cristina: Yeah, I think so. I think that makes a lot of sense. I think that makes a lot of sense.

Jack: Yeah, fair enough. It could totally be.

Cristina: I mean, there's no proof, but.

Jack: There's no proof. But then the question is, should we be re evaluating the name Eloi and consider that there is in fact an individual named Eloi and many different names that individual went by, and thus. Yes, Yahweh and Elohim. And all these individuals are the same guy.

Cristina: I don't know about that. Unless we find out he's a necromancer.

Jack: Yeah, it could just 100 be a title in their case. And because necromancy seems to be the only way to have this ability, and being from the shadow realm, I suppose there doesn't seem to be consistency there.

Cristina: Yeah, but we don't know who the first person to make the Philosopher's stone, do we?

Jack: Galdabaoth seems to be as far as.

Cristina: We trapped back, but. So then it's possible that. What's the name of the guy you were just talking about?

Jack: Hermes?

Cristina: No, not Hermes. The God person, Jehovah. No, the one with the name Eloi. Eloi, yeah, See, the first one.

Jack: Yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Maybe he got the Philosopher's Stone from the other guy. The Shadow realm guy.

Jack: No, because that guy disappeared.

Cristina: But before he disappeared, he had the stone. He knows this person. He thought he was. Interesting.

Jack: No, we literally can trace the steps he took to make it. We know how he made the Philosopher's Stones. Who went through that step by step.

Cristina: And he wasn't there.

Jack: No, he did it with Citizen after Yalda had already disappeared. Okay, he did it by going to the forest.

Cristina: He did do it.

Jack: He did do it. But he didn't do it with Yalda Bow.

Cristina: No, but he got a stone.

Jack: He made a stone somehow with the use of a bunch of primitive creatures, primitive apes.

Cristina: And so he can still. He could have a stone.

Jack: Those are the two stones of Adam and Eve?

Cristina: Yeah. No, I mean like one personal stone, like all the other ones.

Jack: Those would be the stones of Adam and Eve.

Cristina: Oh, I don't think. I don't know. Because these other guys don't have it. Seems like Adam and Eve are being used for certain things. They're not just on you 247 to keep you alive forever.

Jack: Why aren't both true?

Cristina: I don't know. Just doesn't seem like it.

Jack: Why can't both be the case?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Why can't it just be on you all the time for science.

Cristina: Because then how did. What's her. That girl wouldn't have been able to do what she did.

Jack: Yeah. And think about what happened when she did it sounds more like what you touch something that doesn't belong to you.

Cristina: But if it was on him, like how did she do that?

Jack: You think these guys slept with it on them type of s***?

Cristina: Yes. I feel like it's something you don't like. The unicorn thing. It's supposed to protect you. It's supposed to keep you alive forever. I mean, I know that one didn't because it's kind of a bad luck.

Jack: Well, no. Situation. Let's think about it. Let's think about it. Weirdly enough. And like, I don't like to give credit to Harry Potter in any manner, shape or form because that s***'s whack. But let's talk about how. How deep the research that she never discussed is because we f****** uncovered. Hella crap to just find out that this one dude who had the stone, everything turned the s*** around him and he actually managed to live through all of it until they actually managed to remove it from his grip and then he dies.

Cristina: You mean the horn?

Jack: I mean the horn. Yeah. My bad.

Cristina: Yeah, the horn.

Jack: The horn.

Cristina: Everyone around him who had a piece of the horn end up dying.

Jack: So like they are actually fine while they have a piece of it. It's kind of like if you came in contact with it, don't ever let it go.

Cristina: Hey. Or then you immediately die. So I feel like.

Jack: Well, listen to what I'm saying before you continue your point.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This lady who wrote Harry Potter also found this because the point of Voldemort is that he's always at the verge of death, but never actually dying until he stops taking it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which is on point with quite hard to find information. So bravo. To the level of homework she had to do for the stupid background noise. For a random explanation to some other.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What are you gonna say?

Cristina: I don't know. But yes, it's. That's on point.

Jack: Yes, for sure. For sure. So your stance on this is ultimately that this is an individual with one name which fits and he goes by many different names. Jesus.

Cristina: Does it possibly. See?

Jack: And he is successfully. Because as far as we know, Nicholas and Patrick both have achieved some version of immortality. And Merlin was killed by a weapon designed to kill specifically whatever the h*** he was.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So immortality out the window. I think you could still be offed by somebody. I think you just don't die of old age. When we Talk about immortality. I think that's what we mean.

Cristina: Yes, but fairy weapon can definitely soak out anything.

Jack: Well, that fairy weapon isn't what killed Merlin. The fairy weapon is what the fairy tricked.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, he traded him. Okay, he traded him with some other.

Jack: Thing she twisted that story and outsmarted the h*** out of. But you made somebody too gullible. The point was he could be controlled.

Cristina: Yeah. So you think he killed him with a normal weapon or.

Jack: No, he killed him with the weapon the fairy made. The fairy gave him a special weapon that could off, apparently a necromancer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So bare minimum, at least fairies know how to do that and they can just look at the programming and figure it out.

Cristina: Okay, interesting.

Jack: So, yeah, this is where we are, I'm assuming. Yes. Hermes, whatever the case might be, whether it's the problem is the guy in that building feels like the right guy. Yes, that's the problem. And if he is, then you're what's the problem 3,000 years after Enoch, who is also a guy going by that very same name, him. So one of two answers would happen. One, there is an actual teacher predating Enoch and there's a line of people teaching.

Cristina: Yes, I guess. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: Or. And like the teacher's name is all but like the master. I'm master this. Well, Hermes Trismegistus is equivalent to master. Yes, Thrice great. That's not a name, bro, but it's a title for sure.

Cristina: Yeah. So he's not the first.

Jack: Or he literally is the same guy who taught. I mean, not even taught. The one guy is the same guy and maybe that would make him the master. That makes him the master. He is Enoch. He is Noah. He is the Egyptian priest king. He is Hermes Trismegistus. They are all Hermes, just witnesses.

Cristina: Is it.

Jack: Is it possible in these instances? Keep in mind, I'll give you two bits of information that are probably important. I suppose that is the most popular considered order of those things. And I am not the first person to conclude this one little piece. I am the first person to attach all the other s*** to it. But it is again, it was quite easy because it's well known that Enoch, Noah and the Egyptian priest king all went by that name. Within these texts, as philosophers impact them, they believe they were all just variations of the same person stories being told at different moments. Okay, yeah, but it might literally have just been the same guy. As opposed to a narrative that just took name and different. No, it might literally be the same guy. Because we can follow literally the steps that Jesus took doing the same.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: I could trace every country he went to, the name he assumed there. They described them down to the T as the same guy. The timeline up, the location lined up in the trip he was going. And it fits what this guy's doing.

Cristina: So, yeah, I think.

Jack: Which is going by aliases and setting up little systems that you can enter in and out.

Cristina: But they just think it's all based on.

Jack: They think these are fiction. They think these are fictional characters based on a guy. Well, it can be, but we know that this guy was a real guy. And even now we know that the Hermes Trismegistus is agreed upon was a real guy. And that there's a conflation between a real dude and a fake dude. Dude that's just established.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that the fake dude is most likely a connection of these other two. My argument would be that the fake dude is actually also the real dude and that all of these people are the one guy.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: So they're like, oh, he's like this God and that God and this. Because he could on both of those gods. And there's just people trying to rationalize. Dude just like, well, those guys are way op. And these guys are way op. The Egyptian gods. And here. What is it? The sun gods and the Greek gods. Oh, both of them are op. So he's like, if use two of them all. That's how overpowered he is.

Cristina: It was pretty overpowerful, I guess.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. He's still like, nah, I can on all of it. There's just them trying to rationalize. Hence this connection between them creating the mythical individual that supersedes the individual with the actual abilities, which is still. Because he could on the fictional one.

Cristina: Well, he could.

Jack: All the abilities of a necromancer seem to be way more overpowered than anything else.

Cristina: One thing we haven't really talked about is how would he like, if he's the necromancer, he has to do something with fairies and shadow.

Jack: He just has to be able to cross easily. But something to figure out a different time because we are way out of time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Okay, so just run another time. But we're at least so close. I believe this is the guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And if all those names are the same dude, then we found him.

Cristina: If we can see if we can revisit those stories and see if the shadow realm or fairies are somehow involved in the stories, even just like a little bit. I don't know, because I feel like you have to have that knowledge to be teaching.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: So maybe there is some story there.

Jack: What, of him? I doubt we would have his knowledge.

Cristina: No, not him, but these other versions of him. His.

Jack: He wouldn't have to record these things anymore because he is the teacher. He already knows it.

Cristina: I'm saying, like the stories of Enoch or Moses.

Jack: Interesting. So, yeah, I see what you mean. So the people we do know, the different aliases is going by before he's. Because these are in fact stories. You're trying to see what these events connect to that fit. Well, how do you know he's not a teacher at that point?

Cristina: Point. Well, we will.

Jack: Enoch is literally a teacher.

Cristina: Oh, okay. He's a teacher too.

Jack: Is literally a teacher.

Cristina: Oh. Oh.

Jack: But regardless of the point, your point stands because it's not that this is before him being a teacher. It's these are stories of names he went by. Which means within those stories, within depth and within context, we could uncover the right things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If we go in assuming this is actually him, how do we prove it? With this information.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then that s*** just starts to make sense. A quick mention of. Oh, and I went to the dark place where the other things were. And it's like brawl.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. Like something. Or even if it relates to somehow. Not necromancy, but.

Jack: Oh, yes, the philosopher.

Cristina: Very interesting.

Jack: Although literally being named after the philosopher's stone is kind of the home run here. I don't know what else we would need.

Cristina: But, like, if there's anything but these, we know their steps. And what if there's missing steps? And what if they lead us to those steps?

Jack: There's missing steps. What if we learn how to make a. D***, that's crazy.

Cristina: Yeah. Because I feel like we're just piecing. Like, we thought once that step was the step, and that was.

Jack: There were four steps, and we're like, this is it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And now we found three more steps that connect to the end. We're like. And it makes so much sense that those steps are there.

Cristina: So there's probably more.

Jack: There could be more. Anyways. Anyways, anybody who's listening to this, if you have additional information, please hit us up with it and tell us all that stuff. Communicate it with us. Hit us up on our socials at just Convopod on X, on Instagram, on Facebook, on. What else is there on Tick Tock. Tick Tock. Where all the place. YouTube. We're getting pulled there all the time because we're crazy. Crazy.

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Jack: Bye.

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