Rambling 177: Tying Up Listeners
/Can a knife make any situation scary? What is the definition of alien? And what’s the best way to lasso someone? The duo goes into detail explaining how to best tie up new listeners and force them to listen, but it must be accomplished with a rope. Knife is optional.
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Topics Discussed:
- Tying Up New Listeners
- Perspectives Changing with a Knives
- Where Best to Capture a Listener
- Time Travel to the 80s
- VCR
- Fight Club
- Simulating a Universe
- Aliens
- Archive 81 Spoilers
- Reptilians
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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in five, four.
Cristina: What does live mean?
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Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.
Jack: Yeah, so go. Go get a listening partner with a rope.
Cristina: With a rope? Yeah, with a rope.
Jack: With a rope. You go get a listening partner with.
Cristina: A rope really hard.
Jack: Right. Oh, you got to do it from horseback. Red hashtag.
Cristina: I was thinking just lasso stand, like just standing lasso. But there's got to be many ways you can use a rope.
Jack: Use a rope to tie them up.
Cristina: You, like, stop them some other way and then you tie them up after you.
Jack: Oh, that's fair. Because you're not catching them with the rope. You're.
Cristina: You don't have to. I mean, you can. If you can do that. That just seems hard.
Jack: Interesting.
Cristina: Like maybe you trip them, they fall, and then you tie them. I don't know.
Jack: Or. Or here's a total possibility. You have a, like, cartoon style trap with a rope. I guess not cartoon, because the cartoon is basing it on, like, real hunting tricks.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: In which you got like a rope thing connects like a tree.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And then it's hidden with, like, leaves.
Cristina: Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
Jack: And they get caught. And that's by the rope.
Cristina: I guess that works.
Jack: But technically it's also by the trap.
Cristina: So is that a trap or. But they're tied up. That's the important thing.
Jack: Yes. That you tied them up so you could get them to listen.
Cristina: Yes. Why? I don't know. I guess that still seems easier than trying to lasso someone.
Jack: Fair. Fair. Look, if you don't have the hand and eye coordination to lasso somebody, because I'm sure that's skill. Like, I couldn't do that. Or maybe it's incredibly easy.
Cristina: I don't know. I don't know. I haven't tried.
Jack: It's astoundingly easy.
Cristina: It could be my mind. It's not that easy. Yeah.
Jack: I have no idea how to do it. Like, I can. I kind of can understand the movement that's causing it, though. It's more about maintaining. There must be a part of the rope that they're holding.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That is holding the rest of it steady. Enough that then when he spins it with his wrists and. Or she, I guess. Not sure why cowboy is. Well, I'm just randomly super sexist. But the, you know, cowboy, whatever. Swinging the rope.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: There must be a. Like, something he's holding in staying steady. It's a. There's a trick, a way to hold it. I'm assuming.
Cristina: You're assuming.
Jack: I'm assuming.
Cristina: I don't know. Like, maybe it's not that hard. Because if the person's not. Like what? Like, unless you made it obvious that you're gonna rope up this person. Like, you're just swinging it out of nowhere, running towards the person. Yeah. It's probably gonna be difficult.
Jack: No, hold on. Listen. If that happened, if that moment happened and the person starts to panic. No, that person wouldn't panic. They wouldn't. Because they're not gonna believe that's for them. You know, the real honest reaction is this guy's just swinging a rope.
Cristina: Yeah. So most people, or maybe everyone would get caught because, like, no one believes this person with a rope. Even if they were doing sneaky or not so sneaky, they're not gonna think that rope is for them.
Jack: Yeah, they're not. This.
Cristina: Unless you, like, call out their name and you're gonna tell them, I'm gonna tie you up or something.
Jack: Well, no. Okay.
Cristina: That would be the only way.
Jack: If they were at least a little bit paranoid and you call their name.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And they look and they see you swinging the rope. That's definitely about them. But now the next question is, am I going to be roped or is this person who said my name just swinging the rope?
Cristina: Yes. But if the person just says, I'm gonna tie you up, that will make it obvious, and then it'll be difficult to tie up the person.
Jack: So this guy trying to rope the other guy is some sort of, like, typical movie villain?
Cristina: I guess. So this. I'm trying to find out how hard it could get, and it seems pretty easy. Unless you obviously say, like, I think this is way easier than I thought. Like, originally I thought roping someone sounds difficult, but, like, who expects it? So.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Even if they see it, even if.
Jack: Your skill is mediocre with the rope, actually, it would be pretty easy.
Cristina: Yeah. Because no one would imagine that that's your plan.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Unless you say it. I don't know.
Jack: You'd have to. Okay, so you have to tell them that you're gonna rope them. You should send them a letter and be like, on this day, at this time, at this time, I'M gonna rope you.
Cristina: I don't know if they'll believe that letter, though.
Jack: That's the other problem. You see, they think. They're gonna think you sent a freaking letter. Just a troll.
Cristina: Exactly. And then when they see you, they're thinking, this is a joke. You're not really gonna tie me up to listen to this podcast?
Jack: Isn't it kind of crazy how hard it would be to make this difficult because of just how off the wall the situation is?
Cristina: Yes. I don't know. Like what. What could you do to get someone convinced that you're going to do it? I don't know. Maybe if you had a knife with you, I guess some type of weapon. I don't know. You don't plan to use a weapon, whether it's a knife or gun or whatever it is, but you just have it just, you know, to scare the person, to get them to run.
Jack: Fair, fair, fair, fair. Because after you've got them in fear mode.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And you start swinging the rope, they're like, this guy's. The knife made it. Serious as f***. Yes, I'm going to tie. Because you already showed them. I'm going to hurt you. Even if you're not gonna hurt them. Danger was alerted.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So I guess. Yeah, I guess the difference of the whole situation. If you say anything with a knife, you're suddenly doing something bad.
Cristina: Yes. So that would frighten them and they would run.
Jack: Okay, let's test this out. Then you tell your friend, laughing, I'm gonna beat you up. And then you laugh. Okay. Your friend is like, okay, this is an idiot. Whatever. Now you go to your friend and you say, I'm gonna beat you up. And you're still laughing, except you're holding a knife.
Cristina: Why are you laughing, though?
Jack: So that he knows it's playful. Well, it's playful at the beginning. I'm beat you up. You know, just like a dumb bro joke.
Cristina: Yes, but the point is to get them scared.
Jack: Yeah, I know. So you're not making them scared there. We established that a knife is enough to make the previous situation. So we're trying to see if we apply the knife again without the rope. Without the rope. Is it the knife? That would convince him of the thing.
Cristina: Factually, your friend and you're laughing. I don't think so.
Jack: Yes, but then if you have a knife.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: When you say it to your friend.
Cristina: Laughing without the laugh, why does that.
Jack: With the laugh. The laugh is still there.
Cristina: No, they're your friend. Why would they think you're you laughing? I'm gonna hurt you. Hahaha. With a knife. Like they will think it's a prank or something.
Jack: So the knife didn't change the situation?
Cristina: Well, the laughing is what's ruining.
Jack: No, listen to me, listen to me. The laughing has to stay because when you don't have the knife, the laughing is there.
Cristina: No.
Jack: Yes. I'm gonna beat you up. Hahaha. Without the knife. Because you're just joking with your friend and you're still joking with your friend. The second time when you say it with the knife, you're still joking with him. You're not gonna do anything to your friend.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: You say, I'm gonna beat you up, hahaha. While holding the knife.
Cristina: I guess that's scary. I guess.
Jack: Is it scary now? Is it like, oh s***, he's gonna like beat me up and stab me or something?
Cristina: Yeah, I think so.
Jack: So the knife changed it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So can we use this knife to change any situation?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Interesting.
Cristina: But I don't know why the laugh has to be there. If you tell your friend, I'm gonna beat you up and you don't laugh, they'll probably not think you're serious.
Jack: Yeah, I know. Because the idea is that we're running an experiment, essentially, and the experiment is in exactly the same conditions with nothing being changed. Can the knife change the perception of the situation?
Cristina: I just don't understand why there's a laughing.
Jack: Because the laughing exists to convince your friend that you're not gonna do anything to him. If you just walk up and deadpan say, I'm gonna beat you up.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Even if that's your friend, he's like, what the f*** did I do to you, bro? Like, you're already scary. First we have to make it so that he is totally convinced you're not gonna hurt him. And then we're gonna do that same run with a knife in your hand and see if it still looks the same way. Like he's.
Cristina: So the laughing equals the rope or something?
Jack: No, the knife is a rope. The knife is not the rope. Nothing is the rope.
Cristina: Because if he sees you with a rope, he wouldn't take you seriously. He'd think it's a joke.
Jack: Yeah, that's what I'm trying to establish.
Cristina: You laughing would be him taking you not serious because he thinks you're joking. So the laugh is the same thing as the joke. The rope, yes.
Jack: And then the knife. Yeah, you're totally right. And then the knife is supposed to change your perception?
Cristina: Yes. Yeah. So yes, the knife does make the.
Jack: Situation worse, I think, for any situation.
Cristina: For any situation. Yeah. Yes, Anyone. For any situation.
Jack: Even if you mean no harm. You. Okay. So in a situation where the knife would naturally exist. Okay. We're in a kitchen.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And your friend is next to you.
Cristina: Okay. It wouldn't work there.
Jack: And you're peeling an apple with a. Apple with. Not an apple peeler, but, you know, like a knife. Not a knife, a regular peeler.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: And you turn to your friend in the kitchen and you say, I'm gonna be up. Hahaha. Okay. He's just. Haha. Okay. It's joking.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Now you were peeling the apple with a knife.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Then you turn to your friend and you say, I'm gonna beat you up. Hahaha.
Cristina: I don't think he'll take you serious.
Jack: Yeah. You're still joking. Because even if you're holding the knife right now, there's a knife in the situation we've shown you the knife, it must go off, you know?
Cristina: Yes. But the knife is doing something that your friends do. Yeah. So I think that makes it less scary.
Jack: And yeah. Your friend probably doesn't even notice the knife.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Because it's so natural to the environment.
Cristina: Yes. So when you're roping your friend, you shouldn't do it. You'd have a knife in a normal situation. I guess you can't rope them in the kitchen.
Jack: Interesting.
Cristina: No, but I think you still can probably in the kitchen. Because it would be then odd to have the rope in the kitchen.
Jack: Like. No, no, no. Yeah. It's already weird. It's definitely already weird. So there is some, like, level of oddness to this. But if you had the rope at a like, knot tying class.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Right. Where it would naturally exist.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: There's just rope and you're learning to make mountains.
Cristina: Okay. That wouldn't scare anyone. Okay.
Jack: Right. And then you, you tell. Tell your friend I'm gonna rope you.
Cristina: Yeah. They'll think you're joking or something.
Jack: They'll think you're joking, right?
Cristina: Yes. But if you had a knife with.
Jack: You now, if you have a. If you have a knife with you in the rope class, in the rope with the rope with. Normally exist.
Cristina: I think people would be scared.
Jack: Yeah, I think so too. Because you. They don't even think. I don't know. Now they're very confused as to why you have. But wouldn't a knife also exist in that class, like kind of normally, maybe?
Cristina: No, like, I think there's a specific type of, like if it's a giant kitchen knife I don't think, you know, it has to be some kind of knife. That would definitely not be there. Like, there probably is a knife, but it's like very specific to ropes.
Jack: Right, Fair enough. Fair enough.
Cristina: So you have this huge sword like knife.
Jack: Yeah, I at no moment thought about this other than just putting a knife in the kitchen. But I guess we can in theory f*** around with the type of knife that we're talking about. So there's certain knives that could change the situation quickly. If you just have a pocket knife, that's. That's kind of sketchy to some degree.
Cristina: Yeah. Like an outside situation. I don't know if in the rope class, but yeah, outside. Yeah.
Jack: Your location makes a total difference because you could be taking a rope class that has naturally a knife.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But you are taking this class in the middle of a city and you're holding a kitchen knife. The knife has nothing to do with that f****** class. That's the wrong f****** knife. This guy has a f****** kitchen knife in this class.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Whoa.
Cristina: They're gonna be scared now if you.
Jack: Have regular rope cutting knife or whatever is used there. They're like, okay, he's just happens to be holding that knife. And a rope.
Cristina: Yes, and a rope. And he's saying he's gonna tie you up. But you think it's a joke.
Jack: But you think it's a joke because everything else is in common.
Cristina: Because then it seems like, okay, yeah, he'll tie me up, but he has the knife, the rope cutting knife to cut the rope after he ties me up.
Jack: So if he did tie me up, but that you would. I don't think your thought would ever get to the point that you're convinced you'd do it.
Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.
Jack: Because you're still. We're just still trying to convince you that he's gonna. That he's gonna do it.
Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. Yeah.
Jack: So holding the right knife now, okay, if you're not. Because if you're in the woods, that's another place where that'd be normal.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: I guess, like, both of those things could make total sense.
Cristina: Even a big knife, a big kitchen knife.
Jack: I feel. I feel like survival wise, like, sometimes you just need a knife when you go out to the woods and you're like, well, I can't find my f****** pocket knife. I'll just take a kitchen knife so.
Cristina: That I can cut things. So we need something else. Like, like.
Jack: Well, no, because at that point you could take any knife you have in your house. So any knife makes sense. In the woods? No. You could take a machete into the woods and it makes f****** sense.
Cristina: Can't use a machete. How about a sword that also makes.
Jack: Sense in the woods now a sword in the cloud. Well, no, because anything makes sense out in nature.
Cristina: Not a sword. A sword makes no sense outside of a museum.
Jack: You could swing a sword at a bunch of plants. You can do things with a sword.
Cristina: Weird. That is very weird to see outside. It's just someone walking around with a sword.
Jack: This is your friend, okay?
Cristina: Yes. And this is normal for my friend.
Jack: No, it's not normal for your friend, but they're your friend, so maybe they. That's the only sharp thing they had that maybe they didn't want to dirty their kitchen knives.
Cristina: Okay, so kitchen knives are out. Well, we're sharp stuff. Unless we have something that. Because.
Jack: No, what I'm saying is in the woods, it doesn't matter what knife you take, period.
Cristina: Yeah. So we need something else.
Jack: No, because we're not going to go to the woods because the woods is exactly where it would make sense. Yeah, we're just not going to go to the woods.
Cristina: Okay. Okay. So don't try to tie your friend up in the woods. If you're trying to.
Jack: Don't try to convince. No, we're just trying to convince him he's going to be tied.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Right. That's the main goal. 100% convince our homie.
Cristina: Yes. Get them scared enough to run to make it hard for you to actually tie them up.
Jack: But I guess ultimately what we're trying to do. Right. This is my assumption here that are we trying to make it like you're 100% convinced and that's why it's so granular.
Cristina: 100% convinced of what?
Jack: That they're gonna get tied.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: I don't want you, like 90% and then you start running on 90%. I want to remove every doubt from your mind.
Cristina: Like, no matter what, you're gonna tie them up.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: We're just trying to.
Jack: That's what we're trying to do. Yes. How to do it.
Cristina: How to do it? Well, how you can fail at doing it.
Jack: No, because we're trying to convince you 100%. Right?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So we got to remove all the things that we can't.
Cristina: Okay, so don't do it in the woods.
Jack: Yeah, that's why.
Cristina: Doing it in the woods. Do it in the woods. That's what I mean.
Jack: No, we can't do it in the woods because the woods helps convince them. It's a Joke.
Cristina: But we're trying to help them. I'm so confused. Who are we trying to help?
Jack: We're trying to help him tie. No, we're trying to help him convince the guy. Then you want to make it crazy hard, so we got to Convince the guy 100% without a doubt, you're gonna be tied.
Cristina: Okay, but why would the listener want that? Wouldn't he want the easy way?
Jack: Yeah, you're totally right.
Cristina: We're trying to come up with ways that will fail him. So we are helping him up in that way. Like, we're telling him he should go to the woods with cutting knife because.
Jack: It would be the easiest.
Cristina: Yes. So we're trying to find every situation that it won't work out, because then.
Jack: They could avoid those situations.
Cristina: But also the situations that it will work out, though. They can do that.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Like, they know.
Jack: Which is definitely take any kind of sharp object into the woods and your friend into the woods and have rope and you can easily tie them. They're never gonna.
Cristina: Yes. And it would work out in the rope class. As long as it's not a kitchen knife. And it can work out in the kitchen. As long as it is a kitchen knife.
Jack: Yes, 100%. But using a knife that isn't a kitchen knife in the kitchen is a bad idea.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Because you don't want to tip them off. It's gonna be weird. Right. That's where the pocket knife is. Like, what the f***? You're trying to cut with your pocket knife.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Just cutting fruit with your pocket knife. At. In the kitchen.
Cristina: Mm. So we're trying to figure out. Yes. How to make it easier.
Jack: Easier. Well, I want both extremes, kind of and all.
Cristina: Yeah. They could avoid the ones that it's not gonna work out. Like, which one? Where would it not work out? I guess just outside. In the city.
Jack: Yeah. Like, don't be in the city with a knife.
Cristina: With a knife. Because then everyone will run.
Jack: Yeah. Like, you've definitely scared, like, city people spook easy.
Cristina: Yes. You have a rope and a knife. I think just having a rope might. I don't know. That would probably just confuse people. Yeah. The knife. Yeah. Would very much scare everyone away.
Jack: But I think. I think ultimately the best option is the class. Right. Like the class over the. The woods.
Cristina: The rope class.
Jack: Yeah. Because that's the M.O. like, okay. Holding rope.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: If we're trying to make a hundred percent accuracy here, I think it's. I mean, you're already in the woods. There's a little bit of the woods.
Cristina: Makes the most sense.
Jack: Well, the wood. The problem with the woods is there's that kind of spooky of, I'm already in the woods. It's kind of dangerous, you know, you.
Cristina: Have that weapon to protect you, whatever it is.
Jack: Well, no, your friend, your homie doesn't.
Cristina: Oh, well, your friend thinks you're protecting them.
Jack: No. But then you just told them, I'm going to tie you up.
Cristina: No. Why do you have to tell them that? Oh, is that how it started?
Jack: Yeah, that's why I thought we were trying to make it as hard as possible on them. Oh, because for whatever reason. Well, that was your plan initially, wasn't it? You were just trying to make it hard. So then I just kind of tried try it. I continued making it harder so you could run at them and scream, I'm gonna tie you up.
Cristina: Yes, yes.
Jack: But these are the places you shouldn't do it in that case, because you.
Cristina: Probably shouldn't scream out that you're gonna tie them up. But it's still fun. If you want a challenge, I guess the challenge is more fun. Right.
Jack: So then make it as hard as possible.
Cristina: Exactly. Yeah. So make it as hard as possible.
Jack: So in that case, don't do it in the class and don't do it. Or in the woods. You have to be in the city, and it should be. It can'. It can't be comically big because that's gonna. That's gonna be like. You're f****** kidding, bro.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You know?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It has to be sketchy.
Cristina: It has to be sketchy.
Jack: Thus the pocket knife.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It's like, okay, you had a pocket knife. It's kind of weird. I guess not. It is a pocket knife.
Cristina: But can't the pocket knife cut the rope? Like, are they gonna think, because they're your friend, like, you don't want them to think, oh, you're just gonna tie me up.
Jack: No, I know. Pocket knife, not sketchy. That makes sense. So what a utility knife.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But you really want. What you really want is a switchblade.
Cristina: I don't know. That feels the same as those other two.
Jack: No, because a switchblade is totally impractical to have for any other purpose than.
Cristina: Like, stabbing somebody specifically, what that's for.
Jack: Gets a pointy, like the. A lot of the blade stops it from doing anything but going, like.
Cristina: And it can't rope.
Jack: We could probably cut rope if you tried hard enough.
Cristina: Because you can't feasy. Your friend can't be convinced or think in the back of their mind, like, oh, you could just cut the rope.
Jack: Like, it would take really long.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Unless it's exceptionally sharp.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Like, it's definitely. Switchblades are usually for stabbing.
Cristina: That's for stab.
Jack: Yes, it's the stabbing knife.
Cristina: All right. What if they don't know what it is?
Jack: They know. They see the knife and they're just. It's. It. The size is odd.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: You know?
Cristina: Yeah. You understand what we're looking at?
Jack: Oh, s***. Yes. The f****** box cutter is just a really dangerously sharp knife.
Cristina: It is. Wow.
Jack: And it's, like, so out of place. That's the immediate, like. Oh, what?
Cristina: The box cutter.
Jack: Yo, you pull out a box cutter on somebody, they know you're serious. I forgot about box cutters. That's the instant 100. Oh, knife. I think that could rip through rope easily, too.
Cristina: Yeah, but that's a problem if it rips through.
Jack: No, but you would never think that's for the rope. Oh, that would not cross your mind.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: You see the box cut, you're like, what the h***?
Cristina: I don't know. It's like a midget knife. Like, it's very tiny.
Jack: Yeah, no, it's very. And thus, you have more control with. Is extremely dangerous.
Cristina: It doesn't look dangerous.
Jack: No. But anybody who knows, anybody who sees it would know.
Cristina: Okay. What if this friend is the one that does know?
Jack: Where the. Does this friend live? Under a rock?
Cristina: I don't know. I think. Opaku, what was it that you said? A switchblade.
Jack: A switchblade. It looks very stabby.
Cristina: Looks very savvy. Yeah, with a pocket knife.
Jack: See, now, the pocket knife isn't the stabbiest thing. The pocket knife is crazy.
Cristina: It just looks crazy.
Jack: That's the switchblade. No, that's pocket knife is the one next to it.
Cristina: No. What?
Jack: Yeah, that's the pocket knife. The pocket knife is a practical. You carry it for just in case you need a knife situation.
Cristina: Switchblade wins.
Jack: Ok. Yeah, the switchblade is stabby. It's the kind of s*** you just like. You know, you got all leather on. You're swinging a f****** chain in one hand.
Cristina: The box cutter looks like it would hurt, though. But I don't know if you'd instinctively know that it would hurt because it's so short. It's like a midget knife. Unless there's longer versions.
Jack: No, it does. The size of it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Does not matter to how effective.
Cristina: But when you're looking at it. I'm talking about just by looks. You're not.
Jack: If your friend Understands a box cutter. They don't even need to know a lot about knives. Just know that it's a box cutter and how it works.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: It doesn't matter that it's small. They're gonna be like, oh f***.
Cristina: But if they don't know about a box cutter, then you have to.
Jack: Well, he knows his friend. So does he does this. Does he know if it's. Or she. Whoever is they. They do they know if their friends know about knives? Just basic surface level depend on that.
Cristina: Then which knife they should have.
Jack: Yes. If they do know about box cutters, go straight to box cutter.
Cristina: All right.
Jack: And you say that now if they don't, then a dangerous looking knife would be the next best thing. Thus enter switchblade.
Cristina: Yes. It just looks crazy now.
Jack: If you have a switchblade. No, I was about to dress the situation and say that they should look all like.
Cristina: They should dress up.
Jack: They should dress up and look like a typical 80s movie thug. You're swinging the rope in one hand like it's a chain.
Cristina: It's more about. You end up confusing them more. The whole point is not to confuse them.
Jack: But listen, you swing in, swing the rope in one hand, then it should.
Cristina: Not be a rope, it should be a chain.
Jack: No, because he's gonna. I guess in theory if you could accomplish. Hey, we're trying to make it as hard as possible.
Cristina: Can you tie up someone with a chain? What's it called?
Jack: You still have to scream, I'm gonna tie you up. Yes, I guess you could tie them up with it. But no, I think it has to be a knife and a rope at this point.
Cristina: Why does it have to be a rope?
Jack: Because I don'. It's just become thematic. Somehow you have to accomplish it.
Cristina: What is it the 80s? You can't do that.
Jack: But listen, the outfit should. Should go towards convincing because you got the switchblade, you got a rope. It should be a chain.
Cristina: It should be a chain.
Jack: Thus being more serious.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Which this is for making it harder.
Cristina: Yes. Well, if you look so serious, if you look serious, then wouldn't it make it harder if you have a chain.
Jack: And a would know because the next problem is he's not gonna. But I guess. Yeah.
Cristina: Then he's gonna see you and he thinks you're just ridiculous looking and you're cosplaying or something.
Jack: That's. Yeah, he's gonna think it's a huge joke.
Cristina: Yeah. So you cannot dress like you're in the 80s. That doesn't work. Don't theme Your outfit? Because that doesn't work. Like, what are you dressed up like a cowboy with a rope? No, don't do that.
Jack: Okay. We do have a time machine. Could, in theory.
Cristina: But it can't be your friend. It'll just be a stranger.
Jack: Well, I'm not gonna do it.
Cristina: No, I mean to this person that's listening. If they went into a time machine.
Jack: They wouldn't go into a time machine.
Cristina: Oh, who's going into the time machine?
Jack: We would go and tell somebody.
Cristina: Oh, we're gonna have a listener from the past.
Jack: Well, he won't really be able to access the show, but we're gonna transcribe everything and send them the explanation of why they're doing this, of why they're doing this. And then they're gonna do it because they would have read their way there.
Cristina: So get their friend to read our episode then, I guess.
Jack: Yeah, that's pretty easy. We just transcribe it so that it says read instead of listen.
Cristina: And is it gonna be for this specific episode? Because I think that would be amazing.
Jack: That's a pretty nifty joke.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: I think I commit to the bit far enough.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So we should definitely time travel with this episode transcribed.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Into the 80s.
Cristina: But we need another episode to have him listen to first and then get his friends listen to this episode. Well, read. I mean, read.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Or is he reading this episode and then he's gonna be like, wow, this is amazing. I gotta let my friend listen to this episode. Read this episode.
Jack: There are two problems with the thought you're having right now. First, in most scenarios, assuming all our fans and listeners are 100% loyal and follow our word like we're their God. Nobody has ever made it past the intro because they immediately ran out to tell somebody else to listen. Nobody has ever heard any of the reports we've given them.
Cristina: Really.
Jack: Well, assuming if everybody who listens is 100% loyal.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And just commits, and they're like, yes, this is. This is my religion now.
Cristina: But we don't even listen to the episode. We just hear the first.
Jack: We do anything they say, and we make it up to where the first order comes, and then we just go and do it.
Cristina: But then they do listen to the episode afterwards.
Jack: Interesting. I guess they would. There's no reason not to.
Cristina: Yeah. Because they still have to do that. And then in the end, they have to tell their friends and family about what they just did with their friend.
Jack: Yes. 100%. Okay. You're right. Yes. That's the first. The second is a lot of episodes are essentially telling them how to listen. So there was nothing ever happening anyways. The episodes are just like just telling them how to get somebody to listen in the first place. So it was. The episode itself was an instruction of.
Cristina: Sorts of the whole episode so far. So far? Well, this episode.
Jack: Yes. But I'm pretty sure we've done this before.
Cristina: Yes. Which I guess giving them this episode to listen to wouldn't make sense.
Jack: Well, it would make the most sense because it's just instructions. But at this point, we're hoping they believe random sets of instructions is equal to God. And they're hearing word of God, which is essentially instructions, which I don't know.
Cristina: Like when to bring in their friends. Listen. Because by the time they listen to the part of like this is the conclusion of how to do this to your friend, they've already listened to the whole episode. But the point was to listen to it with a friend. So they both.
Jack: So this is.
Cristina: They failed.
Jack: This is an impossible task by default.
Cristina: Yes. Oh, you made it impossible. Trying to make it difficult. Now it's impossible.
Jack: Well, it was already impossible because all they're doing is reading a transcription. So they're essentially giving their homie the page, I guess. No, that would still happen. As long as they give it to one person we want.
Cristina: Yes. But by the time they get to the point, they already finished the episode. Like they can't do all the other things.
Jack: I mean, they can unless they pick.
Cristina: The point to do it.
Jack: To do it.
Cristina: But we need them to dress up as a greaser dude.
Jack: Yes. Okay, so there's a total goal. In which case. Right, but they just have to give this episode to somebody. No, but they couldn't listen with or read with them.
Cristina: Them. And also, is this papers giving them.
Jack: Cancer also crazy question. Why is the 80s, like totally dead of technology? It's like void of technology for us.
Cristina: They have technology.
Jack: Exactly. Why aren't we just giving them like a cassette or something? Why am I transcribing this? They could listen.
Cristina: I don't know. They have to be really rich, I guess, to own a really giant radio. Like those awkward radio things that were.
Jack: This would take like three minutes to make a cassette out of.
Cristina: Alright, you know what? Let's. Yeah, let's do that. We still have the problem that they're gonna listen to most of the episode before they get their friend involved.
Jack: We made something with so many holes and now we gotta patch holes before we go to the 80s.
Cristina: Yes, because we could give it to someone else. I mean, we can give them a different episode, then they do that thing.
Jack: No, but the point is for them to do what we're saying now, which is basically be dressed like a greaser.
Cristina: Which they won't know until.
Jack: Well, they already be dressing this way. We just need to give them the rope. That's why we went to the 80s. This is just normal s***.
Cristina: Why are we not giving him a chain rope?
Jack: Because. So it needs to be a chain.
Cristina: It has to be a chain.
Jack: It could just be a silver rope. That's cool. It has to match his outfit. That's usually why it's a chain.
Cristina: Exactly. So it should still be a chain.
Jack: No, if it was a white rope, it would match their outfits. Usually. Like what, black?
Cristina: His friend would be very confused about that. No one walks around with a rope. Everyone's with chains.
Jack: Right. And this has to work for everybody. This has to work for everybody. Well, no, this doesn't make any sense. Right. Because we have more than one listener.
Cristina: Yes, but we're only doing this for one listener, though.
Jack: No. Everybody else just has to do something we mentioned along the way and hope it works. Yeah, Well, I guess we're trying to convince one. We're trying to 100% get one more listener, essentially. Yes.
Cristina: That exists in the past.
Jack: Yeah. Now they exist in the past conditionally, because we just want a very specific. We want specific situation that leads to a listener.
Cristina: Which makes it hard, though, because once they're a listener, their friend is also a listener. So their friend has hear the next episode, but that episode doesn't exist.
Jack: Yes. Also, problem is the fact that they listen. Would they ever listen to the next episode?
Cristina: Exactly.
Jack: I guess it would if this was in a time like now where we're actually there and the episode is telling you how to get somebody to listen.
Cristina: I think we just have to make all our episodes into tapes and just let it out that way. It'll be like that movie with this. You'll die in seven days if you watch this film or whatever. But it's. If you listen to this podcast, you'll get cancer.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Everyone convinces their friends to watch it, listen to it.
Jack: In the 80s, already had cassettes, and we have this show in cassettes.
Cristina: Okay. So we don't have to do anything. We'll just.
Jack: We don't have to do anything. We just hear take it to your vcr.
Cristina: Yes. What about all the fight club movies that we have to give?
Jack: Oh, my God, so many. All of them.
Cristina: All of them, actually. They would have the thing. They would have VCRs. It works out.
Jack: Can you imagine? I think we've destroyed reality.
Cristina: Is that a 90s thing?
Jack: Is what a 90s thing?
Cristina: VCRs.
Jack: No, VCRs. They had to be in the 80s, okay.
Cristina: Because we have so many. We gotta get rid of them.
Jack: Yes, but listen. Yeah, we have so many.
Cristina: We get rid of one per episode.
Jack: Yeah, well, no. Everybody who subscribes gets one.
Cristina: I thought it was for every episode, though. They get every episode they listen to. They get a new one in the mail.
Jack: No. They got a new Fight Club in the mail.
Cristina: Yeah. That's what I'm talking about.
Jack: Oh, but they get one VCR.
Cristina: Yeah. They only get one VCR.
Jack: Beginning.
Cristina: Yeah. That cost us like, $200.
Jack: Yes, it was actually like. No, it was like a thousand. $200 each.
Cristina: Oh. It was a bad investment that we had to get rid of. Like.
Jack: No, it's a great investment because when the power gets cut the f*** off. Not the power. When the Internet gets cut off. Because when the power is cut off, you're all like. The vast majority of you are f*****.
Cristina: And that was always so.
Jack: Yeah, but assuming the Internet gets cut off, but the power doesn't. So that they can keep people shut down.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: They have the show that they can still play and they don't need Internet for.
Cristina: No, but what about all that? Fight Club?
Jack: They can also watch that. But also. No, this is my point. I think we've destroyed the world if we did this. Because can you imagine fight club 20 years early? Holy.
Cristina: It's also, our episodes will be very confusing.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: It would be gibberish. So, I don't know, we'll start a religion around this. Who knows?
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fair enough. So I think maybe. Maybe our angle here is wrong. No, I think you have to go further into the future.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because the further back we go, the more regular. No, I guess that does make sense.
Cristina: But it was all about the outfit, so it's not about the outfit anymore.
Jack: No. Well, we're trying to get the outfit in the future now. Because we have to go somewhere where.
Cristina: The 80s style is back.
Jack: No, because that'll happen where the ninth and the rope. Like, even having them is, like, in any circumstance, you have to have past the point in which you need a rope and you have, like, a button that you could press from a laser thing that would show up and that would restrain you.
Cristina: Ah.
Jack: And it's like, okay, that's. I'm gonna rope you.
Cristina: Huh?
Jack: With a physical rope. They're gonna be like, Whoa, this guy's crazy. And then that's how to make it harder.
Cristina: Okay. Because they're already. So if you want a challenge in the future.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: So we're sending it in the future. So we're just.
Jack: Look, we're essentially just trolling somebody.
Cristina: All right. We don't have to send them this episode because they can hear this episode in the future.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: We'll just stumble upon it.
Jack: Interesting.
Cristina: And then they're like, okay, but are they gonna cosplay?
Jack: Oh, Then you know what? There's absolutely no harm. And because our. This episode just exists.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Given enough time, the situation will come to fruition and it would have happened. We win. We win by default. We win, cuz Infinity.
Cristina: Exactly. But will they be dressed up?
Jack: Yeah. Somebody at some point would be the type of person to dress this way.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: But not normally. Have rope and the switchblade.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Given enough time, those circumstances will just.
Cristina: Happen and it will somehow be normal to be dressed up this way and have a rope and a switchblade.
Jack: Yeah, It'll either be normal, or this person would already normally dress this way.
Cristina: Mm. Yeah. Yeah, I guess.
Jack: So, like, it doesn't matter. Everything we've discussed will happen.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: In the course of infinity.
Cristina: Mm. We can check the computer for that.
Jack: Yes. Quantum computer. So kind of just makes way more sense to troll the guy in the 80s because it's something to do. The rest is just gonna happen in the future. Yeah. So this is less interesting.
Cristina: And we'll learn if our tapes will give cancer.
Jack: Yes. By one person.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Well, it's not. Yeah, yes.
Cristina: Just one person. Because he's gonna let his friend hear this. Who also get the cancer.
Jack: Man. This is gonna be like that Netflix show.
Cristina: What?
Jack: The one with. What is it? Archive? 51 or 52 or some. Where there's just these tapes that came out of nowhere about some crazy ritual.
Cristina: Yeah, yeah, it's the same thing. Who knew? And it started from a podcast. That's weird. Okay.
Jack: Didn't some other happen from a podcast?
Cristina: A lot of stuff happens.
Jack: Not a movie or like. Like a show based on a podcast. Another show or was it a show?
Cristina: No, Archive was a show that was based off of podcast.
Jack: Oh, okay, then yes, I guess it was that triggered that thought.
Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jack: So Archive was based on a podcast.
Cristina: I gotta listen to? Yes. Yes.
Jack: I wonder if it's as good.
Cristina: But that show is pretty good. Yeah, yeah, the ending was confusing, but whatever.
Jack: Good. Guys, go. Go watch it. We're not spoiling that one. Go watch Archive.
Cristina: I Want to spoil it?
Jack: Don't spoil it.
Cristina: It's exactly what this episode is about. We just. Our episode. If you watch it, and then after hearing our episode, you'll be like, whoa. It's the same thing.
Jack: A lot of it. Yeah.
Cristina: Except for the alien thing that you already mentioned, which I don't know if that's. Oh, no, I mentioned.
Jack: You mentioned the alien.
Cristina: Oh, first. You didn't hear that. Okay. The cult that you mentioned, is it an alien?
Jack: I mean, I guess anything that isn't from here, it's.
Cristina: Yeah, it's technically an alien. It may not actually be a physical.
Jack: So then being.
Cristina: But it's a.
Jack: In Stranger Things.
Cristina: Alien mole.
Jack: In Stranger Things. Is the creature there an alien? It is. It would have to be.
Cristina: It's not alien.
Jack: Why? It's not from here.
Cristina: It's not from space.
Jack: Why does it have to be from space? The creature from Archive isn't.
Cristina: It's. Well, the creature is not an alien. It's the mole. That's an alien.
Jack: The mold.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: It came from space.
Cristina: Yeah, it came from the rock. That came from space. That's the alien.
Jack: Oh, s***. And the creature is also an alien.
Cristina: No, that's just what the mold makes you see, I'm guessing. I don't know.
Jack: But they all see it and they get stuck there, and it can all interact with the same mold.
Cristina: Maybe it's the mold's imagination. I don't know how it works. Like, it could be the mold in, like, putting itself in your mind as an alien.
Jack: Okay, definite spoilers. But now I gotta talk about this, because what you just told me makes me think that the creature.
Cristina: Yes, the alien creature.
Jack: We're seeing it from one person's perspective.
Cristina: And it's the lady and the guy.
Jack: No, but there was a little video where.
Cristina: Yeah, it's there. Yeah. Yeah, you do.
Jack: So there is an alien. Because my thought is each one of them is seeing their own thing.
Cristina: But if the mold is sending out an image of an alien to have a physical.
Jack: Well, no. If body means the mold is conscious.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: I don't think the mold is doing that. The mold is causing them to hallucinate. It is, yes, but not intention. It's not like I'm gonna make you hallucinate.
Cristina: How do you know?
Jack: Well, that's the question. That's what I'm asking.
Cristina: Right.
Jack: Is it thinking?
Cristina: It could be thinking.
Jack: Or is it just mold from space?
Cristina: It's a thinking mold from space.
Jack: Then why isn't our mold sentient?
Cristina: Because it's not an alien mold.
Jack: Do you see the problem? Like this doesn't work.
Cristina: Why? Why does the water work in the moon? The silen. That water is different. That's alien water.
Jack: That's alien water. But it's not thinking.
Cristina: It's working differently than the water we have.
Jack: Exactly my point. It's working differently, but it's not thinking. The water isn't thinking. It's just watering.
Cristina: It's just water.
Jack: So the mold is just molding, but it's space molding. It's not like I'm gonna make you hallucinate. It's just like you're around me, so you're gonna hallucinate.
Cristina: How can you tell?
Jack: Well, because of the water from the Silency.
Cristina: So if that had conscious, then it'd be the same? I don't know.
Jack: Well, no, you brought the example.
Cristina: And.
Jack: And yes, that's a perfect situation in which it's just from space. And yes, by default isn't conscious.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So the mold is just from space and by default doesn't have to be conscious.
Cristina: Doesn't have to be.
Jack: Yeah, but that's the same argument that could be made as to whether the. So the water attacking them is.
Cristina: We don't know that. I don't know.
Jack: I think it's pretty clear that neither of these situations. The thing is alive.
Cristina: Yeah, I guess not.
Jack: I think it's just something is happening.
Cristina: But the point is, is the Stranger Things creatures. Aliens.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: They come from other. Different dimensions.
Jack: That's literally what happens with the creature from archive.
Cristina: That's from a different dimension.
Jack: Yeah, because that's where they open a portal.
Cristina: Oh, yeah.
Jack: They see the creature because of the mold.
Cristina: But does that mean those things are aliens? Like the mold for sure is alien. Yeah, but it's a creature from a different dimension. Also an alien.
Jack: Well, that's what makes him an alien. The fact that he's from a different dimension because he's not from here. Thus, alien.
Cristina: Okay. Because I thought alien was just.
Jack: But also, that's totally the wrong term. Dimension is. We're just using that poorly, you know, different, like, local space thing. But, like, it couldn't be another dimension because.
Cristina: Well, it is from a different dimension, isn't it? That's the point.
Jack: Well, no, dimension doesn't even make sense as a term in that case.
Jack: Because dimension is like the layers of things. Like you're in every dimension right now.
Cristina: Oh, okay. Okay, I see.
Jack: Yeah. Like if it's from a different realm or something.
Cristina: Realm. Okay. Is that still alien? Yeah, if it's From a different realm.
Jack: Thor is an alien. He's not a God. Well, Marvel.
Cristina: Thor, is he a different realm?
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Yes. Okay. Those are all different. There's a bunch of nine. Whatever realms. Okay.
Jack: He's an alien, and he's just from a different realm.
Cristina: An alien. I guess. I don't know. I guess that. That makes sense. I guess they're aliens. Even the stranger thing.
Jack: Yeah. This is a different realm.
Cristina: It looks like our realm.
Jack: Yeah, it looks the same.
Cristina: Looks the same. It looks like the shadow realm or whatever.
Jack: It kind of is the shadow realm.
Cristina: It is.
Jack: Which is literally a different realm.
Cristina: Yes. And. But we don't call these creatures aliens.
Jack: But they technically are because they're not from here. Which is the only requirement, I guess, to be an alien. Just not from here.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Your extraterrestrial.
Cristina: I always thought that just meant, like, you're from space. I mean, you guys are not from.
Jack: No, I guess. I guess I'm wrong again, because extraterrestrial literally means. I guess. No, it means not of Earth. Extraterrestrial, of or from outside the Earth or its atmosphere. So space or simply not of planet Earth. Different realm. Yes.
Cristina: But then the second part is if.
Jack: Like, hypothetical or fictional, being from outer space, especially an intelligent one, it's from outer space.
Cristina: The first one definition is what you're saying. The second definition is what I'm saying. Just out. It's out. It's in space. Outer. From Earth.
Jack: Yes. But I believe the first one describes the fact of the matter, which is.
Cristina: They'Re not from Earth, that they're not from Earth.
Jack: Thus they are aliens.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Alien. Belonging to a foreign country or nation, relating to or denoting beings supposedly from other worlds.
Cristina: Other worlds sound like extraterrestrial. It's not helpful. This is not helpful.
Jack: What do you think another world means?
Cristina: Another planet.
Jack: Why wouldn't they say another planet in that description?
Cristina: You think other worlds mean Thor is from another world? Okay, I guess. Yeah.
Jack: That is not another planet. The concept of planet does not exist where Thor is from. Everything is flat and there are levels to it.
Cristina: Oh, okay. It's weird, but yes.
Jack: You see, a planet is not a thing where Thor exists, but then he crosses the realm into where we have space.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: He is still an alien.
Cristina: Okay, so they are aliens.
Jack: Yeah. Just not being on from Earth is the requirement. So any thing that falls into you're not from Earth.
Cristina: So all these creatures we've been talking about this whole time are alien aliens.
Jack: But we do still make the distinction because it helps the listener know from Referring to.
Cristina: Okay, like, whether it's from space or from the other realm.
Jack: Because they're still using the common thinking of alien means outer space.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And like, demon means from a different realm.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Those descriptors help. It's like, I could say, hey, man, you know Bob? Who? Bob who? Oh, Bob, the guy who wears the leather jacket and is always in the color black. He has the bracelet. He sometimes has a mohawk. Or you're just like the goth. And he's like, oh, I get it.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: That's essentially the point of calling space things aliens.
Cristina: Alright. Although from all our research, they are pretty much like, exactly like all the creatures that we've talked about. Anyway. From the other realms.
Jack: Yeah. Here's the crazy.
Cristina: There's not really much difference. Or from the gods.
Jack: It totally isn't. Because what about that thing that crossed realms or whatever? F*** the chupacabra. Just looking for blood.
Cristina: Exactly.
Jack: That s*** is not an alien from space. That came from some other s***. But then we've had gods show up doing the same s***.
Cristina: Exactly. At the end of the day, all these creatures, whether it doesn't matter, realm or other world, it's. It's all the same.
Jack: Yeah. They all behave more or less the same.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Like ultimately, a fairy is an alien.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Everything is. Everything is. It's a. It's an umbrella term.
Cristina: We might even be. So.
Jack: Yeah, well, the problem is. No, we're of Earth or Everett. Yeah.
Cristina: Because I thought we were some type of experiment from the cat people or we came from. No, where was Eden from?
Jack: People. Oh, you mean humans as a whole.
Cristina: Humans, I guess, yes. Us as well.
Jack: No, because we're the descendants of the people who decided that the term alien, you know, it's based on the fact that. Well, those of us born here for like, whatever lineage goes back to the first. We're terrestrial. From the first person born here forward. Or I guess terrestrial means you were born on Earth regardless of when.
Cristina: Yes. Okay. All right. That makes sense. Even though you're sort of an alien.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Okay. Interesting, interesting. We're all aliens.
Jack: Well, you wouldn't be an alien by definition. You wouldn't be an alien.
Cristina: No, no.
Jack: Because you were born on Earth.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Alien just means you were born somewhere else.
Cristina: Yeah. Okay.
Jack: You could be a little green man, but you were born on Earth. You are not an alien. You're just a little green creature.
Cristina: Then the lizard people are complicated because we don't know if they were born on this Earth.
Jack: They were born on Mars.
Cristina: They weren't born on the Second Earth.
Jack: They were born on Mars.
Cristina: They were born on Mars, then they.
Jack: Went to Earth, went to the center, created a portal, and then came out on our side.
Cristina: Oh, the second Earth is Mars.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Okay, okay.
Jack: Born on the second Earth, Smars went to the second Earth inside, built a portal, which they came out of. All right, so they are aliens because they're not of our Earth.
Cristina: Yes, but they're not even from an Earth.
Jack: But they're not even from Unearth. They're just from Mars. The Martians, the Reptilians are all Martians.
Cristina: But anyone on a different Earth is still alien to us.
Jack: Yes, they're all alien to us. Even if they are literally usually.
Cristina: Yes. Okay, that makes sense.
Jack: They're alien.
Cristina: Yep.
Jack: Now we'd be the aliens to them by definition, because we're not of their world.
Cristina: Mm. But it doesn't matter what world. Two things. Because they're not here.
Jack: So I guess everybody's an alien all the time. To somebody.
Cristina: To somebody.
Jack: But you're never an alien to yourself. You're defining alien based on you. It's kind of like the observable universe. You're always in the center. So even if you went to the corner, now you don't see what you.
Cristina: Used to see, because now you have a new center of the universe.
Jack: Yes, exactly. The center is always moving and the distance is always the same. That's the same idea here.
Cristina: Okay, that makes sense.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Yes. How did we get to this from, I don't know, the shows? How do you get to the future to the shows? I don't know. I lost the conversation.
Jack: Yeah, the thread is gone.
Cristina: But it's very interesting to see what the people from the future will do. And the past, I guess, because they're going to do the experiment on both.
Jack: Well, the future one is going to happen by default. We don't do anything.
Cristina: We don't do anything.
Jack: Infinity is going to happen and we win.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So the only real goal is going back and for some reason, trolling some.
Cristina: 80S dude that we'll see. Well, we'll still see the one in the future because we'll use the computer to see the results of.
Jack: Oh, my God. You know, that's the problem here. No, because it wouldn't be. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We. We still want the actual listeners. We have to do this. I was gonna say we could have just simulated it.
Cristina: Yeah, that's not. No, you don't want to do that.
Jack: Well, we could do that, but we still have to do the actual thing because we want the Listener.
Cristina: Or are we. We are doing the actual thing.
Jack: Yeah. Or are we gonna just. Is any listener. Another listener is the simulated version. Listener. As long as we don't shut off his reality, that's technically another listener. We could just do this in the computer. Save a portion of its power just running to continue simulating this universe in which this individual exists.
Cristina: This person from the future or the past.
Jack: The 80s person doesn't actually have to be in the past. We could get the person with the leather jacket to do it simulated in the computer to the exact conditions we want.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And we just have to sustain their universe forever.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: We're literally gonna be God.
Cristina: But we gotta do it for both, because I will. We have to see the future one too. Like we know it's gonna happen for sure.
Jack: Future is gonna happen no matter what.
Cristina: But we gotta see it.
Jack: Oh, so you want to simulate the future. Oh, yeah. But we could shut them off. We just need one real listener. It's the goal.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Getting one listener through these absurd conditions.
Cristina: Yes. We gotta make sure it happens. Like we know it's gonna happen. But with the computer we'll know for sure. For sure.
Jack: No, yeah, that. Simulating it.
Cristina: Yes. For the future and past.
Jack: The future is going to happen no matter what. We know factually. The set of circumstances we want will happen. And it's going to lead to a listener. Okay, That's a fact. Because infinity.
Cristina: Yes. Okay, so we're just worried about the. The past.
Jack: Only the past.
Cristina: Okay, then we should do that. That sounds great.
Jack: And we can simulate it. Because ultimately the futures thing, we could go and simulate an infinite number of times it's going to happen exactly as we said it. And an infinite number of times it's going to fail that same way.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Okay, so it doesn't matter.
Cristina: Doesn't matter. Okay.
Jack: Only the 80s ones matter. But also now I could just tell the computer to generate a world in which people dress like that.
Cristina: Yeah. No, but it has to be in the 80s.
Jack: We can simulate the 80s then.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Or in 80s where specifically this person would be the person who would dress like that. You know, whatever. All right, So a hundred percent we're getting the one extra listener. This is a plan that can't even fail. And because we're going to sustain their universe and they can hear us. But how would they know they're in this universe? Holy. Everybody listening to this now believe they're the one in that universe.
Cristina: Yes. Okay.
Jack: And then we worked in being God, essentially. Because we made your universe.
Cristina: All right. That Work.
Jack: So one of you. This is true.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: One of you is inside of a universe. Yeah, exactly. Because by the time this comes out, we would have created the universe and put this in there.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So one of you has memories that we programmed.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: One of you people hearing this show, you have memories. We programmed.
Cristina: The crazy thing is, like, they don't even have to be the 80s person, though. They could be anyone, because the 80s person is gonna tell their friend. But also everyone like, the show exists so other people will listen to it and will be trying to tell their friend about it. So it could be anyone.
Jack: Interesting. You know, I don't understand.
Cristina: You don't understand that we're doing this program just for one 80s person. But it's not just an 80s person that's gonna listen to us in that program.
Jack: No. But the person in the unit in the program in the. In the simulated universe, Right.
Cristina: Yes. There's gonna be a bunch of people listening to us talk about how they're in a simulation. In the simulation.
Jack: Interesting. I see what you're saying.
Cristina: So in whoever's listening to us right now, they don't know if they're in the simulation or not Just because they're right. Because not just like an 80s person. That doesn't mean they're not one of the people.
Jack: What you're arguing is that we aren't just doing this to this one individual, but rather the show is normal in the universe we're simulating.
Cristina: Exactly.
Jack: And we've simulated more than just him.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Because we have to sustain his universe. He can't exist in a world where he tries to open the door out of his room and there's nothing.
Cristina: No.
Jack: It has to be a literal universe.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So there's approximately 8 billion people there.
Cristina: Mm. And also our show is probably giving them cancer.
Jack: And our show's probably giving them cancer. Oh, s***. So it's the same scenario. We just made a universe in which this now.
Cristina: Exactly. Exactly.
Jack: Except everyone listening there.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: We're God. Because we made you a universe. Now, you'll never know because you were born before. Just after this episode was recorded and before it aired.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: That you were born at that point.
Cristina: But you wouldn't know.
Jack: And you would know because all your memories were made to seem like you had a life.
Cristina: Exactly. So everyone listening to the. They'll never know. They'll never know if they're the ones that. That's their. Yeah, they're in the fake one or the real one.
Jack: They'll never know if you are the one who is in the simulated universe. And it's a. It's a flip of the coin.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: There's two universes. One of you is simulated because there's two of you. Now, we made a universe identical to this, and there's two of you, and one of you is simulated, and that one is literally just half a chance way.
Cristina: And we don't have to worry about future episodes because there's gonna be us in there, too.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: So even there's a simulated version of us, how do we know we're the ones? I mean, we're recording it, though. Unless we. But we did it in the middle of the episode. So the. Everything after the point of the simulation, like everything else could have been just generated right now.
Jack: No, that wouldn't make any sense because the episode would have. We have to make the episode after recording. We had the idea at that point, but we have to go and make the universe in the quantum computer.
Cristina: Okay. I thought we were doing it while we're talking.
Jack: No, we're going to do that after the show.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: We're gonna simulate.
Cristina: Okay. So we're safe.
Jack: We're safe. We're definitely not.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Because I see this microphone in front of me, but anybody who's hearing this 50, 50 chance. You're in a universe where we just invented you in order to get what? You're not even important. You're listening by f****** mere chance. Unless you're who we were aiming at and you weren't because you're not dressed.
Cristina: Like a greaser, but still, you probably gonna rope someone if you're listening to this episode.
Jack: Yeah. If you.
Cristina: Even if you don't dress up like a greaser.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: The goal is to rope someone.
Jack: Because if you get us another listener, you're great.
Cristina: Yes. So win, win, win.
Jack: Yeah. But, yeah. Ultimately, you can still go out there with a switchblade or box cutter.
Cristina: Yes. And a rope or chain rope thing.
Jack: Yeah. But this episode had a variety of ways.
Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.
Jack: So you pick your favorite and you go do it.
Cristina: That's gonna be so awesome.
Jack: Don't actually stab them, though. You just have the knife.
Cristina: It's just to scare them.
Jack: Yes. Just to scare them. It could be a prop knife. That looks very realistic.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: It doesn't matter. They have to believe it's a real knife, is the point.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: The end.
Cristina: They just have to. What is it in Sunny and Philadelphia? What he says is just to insinuate.
Jack: Oh, you have to insinuate that you're gonna do something horrible.
Cristina: Yes. That's the important thing.
Jack: Yes. But you never said.
Cristina: You never.
Jack: Yeah, I mean, I guess you literally said, I'm gonna tie you up.
Cristina: Well, you never said you're gonna hurt them or cut them.
Jack: Exactly.
Cristina: And you're not gonna cut them.
Jack: And you're not going to. Don't do that. That's bad. We are not endorsing stabbing.
Cristina: No. We're just saying tie them up.
Jack: Yeah. You're gonna tie them up. Actually, we didn't say tie them up either. We just said you're gonna get them to listen with a rope.
Cristina: Yes, but we were hoping you'd tie.
Jack: Them up like a cowboy. To make it harder.
Cristina: To make it harder. So you probably won't end up tying them.
Jack: Yeah. And it'll still probably be really. No, it'll be really easy, which was like the biggest point. It'll be too easy. The knife is gonna spook them a little. But chances are they'll still wait around and see what will happen if you're their close friend or something.
Cristina: Yeah. So then you guys will listen to this episode together. Yes. And mission accomplished, I guess. Yes.
Jack: Unless they. Unless. What if this is your favorite episode because you love doing what? What. It's what's explained. And so every time you go and you do it again, but this time with your friend, you. That's how the call happens. Right. So every day you guys listen to this, but then each one of you must successfully get somebody else to listen. So every day it's two times bigger. Twice as big. Yeah. And so today it's two, tomorrow's four, but eventually it's like a billion. Two billion. Four billion.
Cristina: That's ridiculous.
Jack: Eight billion.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Oh, I guess that's how popular this episode is gonna be.
Jack: Man, Rogan's gonna be begging at the door. Anyways, guys, if you liked what we were talking about, you see, we figured it out for you. Now you just go do it. We solved the most nuanced. It's great.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: We win. You can find.
Cristina: It's other complicated to know when are they gonna stop the episode to get the friend. Like, it could happen at any moment. It could happen in the beginning.
Jack: Yeah, they could.
Cristina: It's. But it could happen in somewhere in the middle. Because we mention it over and over and over again.
Jack: They're like, as long as it's done with the rope.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You don't even need the knife.
Cristina: Yeah. Like, maybe this isn't the right idea. So I'm just listening to. Till I get to the point where ideas. Yeah.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: So I Get to my favorite and then I'm gonna do it. And then I'm get my friend to listen to this episode with me. Did they restart the episode or did they just continue where he left off? Because I probably asked this before, but I don't remember. I guess it's your choice.
Jack: Yeah, just at some point they're gonna finish the episode anyways.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So it doesn't matter. They'll get more ideas. But anywho, you guys can hear more conversations of this nature and probably way more coherent other conversations on the official website greatthoughts.info or on Apple podcasts, Spotify or anywhere you get your podcasts.
Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok @JustCombopod.
Jack: Yep. And remember to subscribe and rain and review the show. I'm not someone who might like the show and know about it.
Cristina: This has been the rambling podcast signal. Think personal and thanks for listening.
Jack: Bye. Windmill causes energy. That's the point of a windmill, right? Send electricity. The electricity has to power something, right? So if we're creating electricity, then we have electrical currents running. Those electrical currents go to where? They go to any kind of thing. Houses, they charge the cars, but they also do what they power. The 5G towers.
Cristina: Oh, what?
Jack: Our windmills. Towers are 5G towers. Towers.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: See how these lines start to. It's. The similarities are striking already. Not only that, who says that the windmill isn't giving out 5G signal? Why wouldn't we double up? It's already a tower. Why wouldn't we create windmills that can self power the 5G signal that they need to boost instead of redirecting energy towards them?
Cristina: What?
Jack: All the windmills have been 5G cancer towers this entire time?
Cristina: Then why is it only lasting 10 years? Is this such a hard job for the windmill?
Jack: The radiation is so overpowered, it's deteriorating the windmill itself. It could only sustain for a certain amount of time. It rusts at a hundred times the pace of the normal metal.
Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.
