Rambling 131: Mythological Beasts
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Do black cats have magical abilities? Does any animal have magical abilities? If so, which ones and how did they acquire these abilities to begin with? The duo unpacks the magic of black cats and the folklore in which certain Pokemon are based on this episode of Just Conversation.
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Topics Details
- Black Cats
- Witches
- Pirates
- Storm Troopers
- General Grievous
- Pokemon
- Magical Foxes
- Mythical Creatures
- God Fox
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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Cristina: Welcome to Just Conversations, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.
Jack: And I'm Jack.
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Jack: Yes. And also, this show is most enjoyable with the listening partner. So be sure to find somebody in the middle of the woods that was just wandering in a casual pace and stop them. Hold your phone out while the show is playing and say, hey, this is just conversation in the woods. In the woods.
Cristina: And you're gonna what?
Jack: Yeah, you can be playing it on your phone. Maybe Spotify. Cause that's where podcasts happen these days. Because Apple's being beat out.
Cristina: Yes. And.
Jack: And so on Spotify, you're gonna. You're gonna podcast, you can play the podcast and you're gonna. I guess if you have it on Apple anywhere, you have the podcast, you can find the podcast anywhere. So go there, play it on your phone. Presumably you can play. I mean, you could bring your computer, you're gonna bring your laptop into the woods, playing the podcast with a boombox on the side that it's connected to.
Cristina: That's mad work.
Jack: Hey, it's gonna work.
Cristina: I feel like people hearing that would just walk away from it.
Jack: If they hear a conversation happening and it's very entertaining, they're probably going to try to find out where it's coming from.
Cristina: Is it nighttime?
Jack: No, it could be in daylight.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: They just think, wow, this is really cool. There's somebody having, like a really loud, odd conversation.
Cristina: That is very strange. But be careful in those woods because what if there are, I don't know, black cats in the woods?
Jack: Black cats?
Cristina: Where do black cats come from? Are there wild black cats?
Jack: I would. Of course. Why wouldn't there be? There's.
Cristina: In the woods, there's wild cats.
Jack: I'm sure there's like actual. Just cats, like domesticated cats in the woods.
Cristina: I can't. I don't know. I don't know how. If there's.
Jack: I'm sure, Look, I'm sure it happened like there were cats. There were normal cat, like, big lion things that we tamed and turned into little kitty cats. And then after we had so many of them. They're everywhere.
Cristina: They're everywhere.
Jack: They're everywhere. Everybody lives somewhere with a f*** ton of just wild cats, but they're the domesticated Version of the cat that lives amongst people.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Those can still live in the woods or you could still run across like a lynx or some s***. Just casual, tiny, big cat.
Cristina: Yeah. Well, be careful. I guess be careful of that lynx, but whatever. We're worried about black cats right now. Be careful that black cat. Because it can steal your luck. Is that what it does?
Jack: What black cats?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: They're allegedly bad luck.
Cristina: Yeah. If they walk away from you, they steal your luck.
Jack: If they walk away from you.
Cristina: I don't. This is a weird way. Like if they walk away from you because that means that they were next to you. But if they come to you, you get good luck. So I don't know how it works.
Jack: Yeah. I don't understand why is it that it coming? So it's the reaper of luck next to you, I guess the reaper of luck.
Cristina: It's the reaper of luck.
Jack: While the grim reaper is the reaper of souls. Or we could say Grimm is the reaper of souls. He comes towards you to either deliver a soul or leaves extracting a soul.
Cristina: And the cat's doing that one.
Jack: The cat would be the same. It's the black cat is the reaper of luck.
Cristina: But how is it walking away from you? Like that means it came by you, gave you good luck, and then walked away to take away the luck.
Jack: I guess the other way would be if you walked up to a black cat. So the goal should be never walk up to a black cat. Always let it come to you. Which is a very cat like thing to do anyways. You don't want to follow the cat.
Cristina: Unless they learn that this is what you're trying to do. Because cats are evil. If they know this is what you're thinking, somehow they're just gonna do the opposite of what you want. No matter what it is that you want, they're gonna do the opposite.
Jack: Yes, that is definitely the case.
Cristina: That's a very cat thing to do.
Jack: Yeah. Cats like to flip everybody off all day.
Cristina: Yeah. So there's Some people think that black cats are bad luck. Some people think they're good luck. The Celtics believe that black cats were sacred. I don't know if they were worshipping the black cats or what were they doing, but they were sacred to those people.
Jack: Yeah. I think they were sacred to the Egyptians as well.
Cristina: Oh, that's cool. They were probably seen as gods there too or something.
Jack: I think so. I think so. Anubis is consistently shown as some sort of cat guy.
Cristina: Yeah. Yes, he is right. One of them as a black cat. Right.
Jack: As a black cat. Yeah.
Cristina: So there's a thing there. And in Scottish lore, black cats, when they come to a new home, it means prosperity. I guess if you adopt a black cat, you're going to get some good luck happening. That's prosperity, right? Good luck still? Yeah, I guess with money, maybe. Yeah, yeah. In Welsh lore, black cats bring good health, but in England, black cats are related to witches and bring bad luck. And sometimes they think the witches, the black cats are the witches, like they somehow transform into people or people transform into cats.
Jack: I wonder where this comes from because like all these creature transforming things, like Dracula becomes a bat.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: What the f*** is that about?
Cristina: I think he also becomes a wolf. Wolf.
Jack: Dracula.
Cristina: I think so. I think he turns into many things.
Jack: I think we actually established he's just. Yeah, I think we just. Yeah, he's f******. He turns into just totally non living s*** as well. So I think we established that he's just some sort of shapeshifter. So I guess it doesn't matter.
Cristina: Yeah. So witches are just.
Jack: They're using magic to shapeshift. They can do whatever. F*** too. Yeah, yeah, fair enough.
Cristina: Were they using the same magic that vampires are using?
Jack: Yeah. My question is, is a vampire using magic or is it. Does he. Is it a f******. Just shapeshifter? He's a shapeshifter.
Cristina: Then are wishes, even wishes, like, we're calling them magical beings. But what if they're just shapeshifters that we're calling magical? But you know, they're just shapeshifting, they're just doing what they naturally do, which is.
Jack: Well, that would be wrong because we're assuming they're like, you could become a witch with just practice and training.
Cristina: No, but the ones that they're seeing that are turning into cats, those are.
Jack: The ones that we'd be talking about. If the logic would be, in theory, you could grab a couple of Wiccan books, go home, practice for the next year, meet me in a year and be like, look, I'm gonna turn into a cat.
Cristina: What? Yes, I wanna do that witchy s***.
Jack: That should. That would be the logic. So you're still human. You're not not human just because you're witch.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: You just know you're human, who knows magic.
Cristina: But with the black cat on pirate ships, they believe the opposite of black cats, that if they walk towards you, they're bringing bad luck. But if they're from you, they're giving you good luck. And whenever a black cat walks onto a ship.
Jack: Wait, wait, wait. In both Cases, they walk towards you. What?
Cristina: No, the first one is walk. If it walks towards you, it's bringing you bad luck, and if it walks away from you, it's bringing you good luck.
Jack: Okay?
Cristina: And if it walks onto a ship and then walks out of the ship, the ship is gonna sink.
Jack: And. Okay, so let's say a cat did that and the ship didn't sink. Then what?
Cristina: Maybe it wasn't really a black cat. I don't know.
Jack: And, like, why does the cat's fur affect the universe?
Cristina: Because I guess that's just people's superstition about the color black.
Jack: Why did that happen, though? Right?
Cristina: Well, black became evil, and white became black.
Jack: Black evil. And, like, red is a close second.
Cristina: Red is close second. What?
Jack: Red eyes.
Cristina: Red eyes.
Jack: Oh, yeah, the red lightsaber.
Cristina: The red lightsaber. Oh, okay, yes.
Jack: Darth Vader's both. He's black with a red lightsaber.
Cristina: Oh, crap. He's the ultimate evil. What? But I guess all the evil guys are in black with red lasers. Besides the, like, losers that are in white.
Jack: Yeah, yeah. They all have red.
Cristina: Oh, but they don't have lightsabers.
Jack: Who? The.
Cristina: The ones in white.
Jack: The stormtroopers.
Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jack: I mean, they're bad guys. I know, but at the beginning, they were good guys. They were only white because they were lying.
Cristina: What?
Jack: They were. They're part of the bad side, so.
Cristina: They were wearing white.
Jack: Well, they're neither good nor bad. They are soldiers, okay? And their orders were, you help these people until you get different orders. And then they did get different orders.
Cristina: To not help those people tonight just.
Jack: Kill all of them. It's like, we're soldiers. This is what we do. We don't question it. We just do it.
Cristina: Was. What's his name? Darth Vader, when he was a young kid and he was training, was his lifesaver black? I mean, red or.
Jack: I believe he had a green one or blue one.
Cristina: Does it change colors once you become evil, though? Or do you just get a new lifesaver?
Jack: I think they gave him a new lightsaber.
Cristina: Oh, okay. Because I was wondering, like, does the lifesaver know you're evil or good or whatever? Because then you could just take the lightsaber away if you know that the person's evil if they get interesting.
Jack: Interesting point, because the idea here is I remember that they picked up the other's lightsaber. I believe Anakin. I believe Obi dropped his lightsaber, and Anakin picked it up, and then he had a blue And a green lightsaber. So, like, they didn't both become green or both become blue. It wasn't him projecting the color.
Cristina: Okay. Okay. So this is just a fashion choice. And then guys and bad guys are.
Jack: General Grievous, who's some sort of robot thing with four arms, picked up their lightsabers. Or actually he was wielding lightsabers from dead Jedi, and they were still blue and green along with his red ones.
Cristina: All right.
Jack: Or he had no red ones. I think he killed people for all of them. Okay, so he had two blue ones and two green ones.
Cristina: He can do the same magic trick stuff.
Jack: I don't think General Grievous has the.
Cristina: Force, but he can use the Lifesavers.
Jack: Yes. I. I'm not really sure how the. That. I never really thought. This is so many holes in this garbage. Oh, my God.
Cristina: And we don't really know everything about Is general stuff.
Jack: Oh, man. I gotta look this up at some point.
Cristina: He might be a. What are they called?
Jack: He's some sort of Jedi thing. Yeah. Like, maybe he's not all robot androids be. I'm just assuming he has some humanity.
Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Yes, I think so. In Japan, though, ladies that are single get black cats because they think it brings them luck with dates and stuff. Like, they'll get more dates if they have a black cat.
Jack: That's interesting. I don't know why that would be the case.
Cristina: I don't know. Because they think black cats are good luck with love. Like the other place thought with health, and another place was, like, with money.
Jack: I don't know.
Cristina: Black cats are needed to go hunting for treasure in Chile from a creature called the carbuncle. It's some magical creature. It looks like a cat or a dog or fireflies. And it's glowy, and it might have a gem that glows on it. There's like a bunch of different descriptions of what it looks like. Kind of like the Loch Ness Monster, where it's just. It looks like something similar to this. Like, they're all describing something that's somewhat similar, I guess, but not really to.
Jack: The Loch Ness monster.
Cristina: No, like in the Loch Ness monster stories, they were like that. Like, some of them saw it. It had a long neck. Some of them were like. No, it had. I don't know, like, the descriptions of the. When we did the Loch Ness monsters, there's a bunch of different descriptions of the creature.
Jack: Those descriptions were pretty similar.
Cristina: Well, the one that was. They saw outside of the car. They saw it outside of the car. And it looked. It sounded like more, I think, like an Alex Gator or something.
Jack: Outside of the car.
Cristina: Yeah. Or a motorcycle or something. They were just driving by the place and they just saw it on the street.
Jack: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like sunbathing or some s*** or something.
Cristina: Yeah. And I don't think that one just. It was described similar to the other ones.
Jack: Yeah. But I feel like the, like, 99.99% of the other ones are kind of the same s***.
Cristina: This one, I guess it's. Whatever. It's very varied of the description except that it's glowy. That's the only thing that they all seem to have in common.
Jack: Can hunt the glowing thing?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Because of the cat's glowing eyes.
Cristina: The cat's glowing eyes.
Jack: You ever seen a cat in the dead of dark?
Cristina: Oh, yes. I don't know. Because it has to be specifically a black cat. I don't know why?
Jack: Because black cat powers, man.
Cristina: Black cat powers. Yes. If you want to catch a carbuncle, you want to see a picture of a carbuncle, though. It's a very cute little creature right there. Look at it. It's adorable. It has a gem on its head.
Jack: It looks something between like Jolteon from Pokemon and a Phoenix Fox.
Cristina: Yes. Yes, it does. And it is adorable, right?
Jack: It's basically a Pokemon.
Cristina: Yes. Wouldn't you want to catch that yourself?
Jack: Catching any Pokemon is slavery and kind of abuse.
Cristina: Wouldn't it be like catching a pet or something? Are you saying pets are like that? I don't know, because I'm not talking about catching it and then battling people with your kabunkulo.
Jack: You're talking about putting. Crushing it into a sphere. No, a sphere that is roughly the size of a Pokeball.
Cristina: I don't mean about catching it like a Pokeball with a Pokeball. I mean catching it like, I don't know, with. In a cage cave into some sort.
Jack: Of mythical creature or some s***.
Cristina: Yes. But they think it's real. Okay.
Jack: This is like a Chupacabra.
Cristina: This is the Chupacabra of Chile. And to get the treasure of this is very complicated. And I'm going to share with you how to do this, because it's crazy, but it's awesome. It's crazy awesome. Okay, you see this creature? What you got to do is throw a lasso at it. Then it will disappear with a lasso, and then you got to come back in the morning to see where the lasso is, because it's going to be buried in the Ground, but with a little bit of it sticking out. And you'll know that's where the treasure is. Sort of.
Jack: Because not really the treasure is where the. So you can't catch a creature.
Cristina: No, sadly, this is just for the treasure that the creature has.
Jack: Okay. Now this is some sort of cat thing itself. It's like a fox.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Why does it have treasure?
Cristina: It's like the leprechaun, I guess.
Jack: The leprechaun is like a person, so.
Cristina: No, it's not. It's a fairy creature thing. Ghost. It's pretty complicated.
Jack: Pretty self aware. Consciously, like humanoid.
Cristina: So maybe this thing is the same too.
Jack: It just doesn't look it, I guess, but I guess, sure, sure.
Cristina: It looks like a fairy. Who knows it's a fairy.
Jack: It does not look like a fairy. It looks like a fox.
Cristina: It looks like a magical fairy fox thing. Okay.
Jack: Looks like a pretty plain fox.
Cristina: Okay. With the gem on its head.
Jack: Yeah. We'll assume fur colored differently.
Cristina: Okay, well, this fox thing has treasure for some reason. Maybe it just. I don't know why you would have treasure. Maybe like shiny things. It collects shiny things. Like the thing on its head.
Jack: Like birds.
Cristina: Oh, like birds. Yeah.
Jack: Maybe you don't find it in a.
Cristina: Box because it would be weird if you actually find the treasure and it's in a treasure box. Oh, I think it is in a treasure box. Never mind. It's in a treasure box. You do find it in a treasure box. That's amazing. This is a magical fox thing. I don't know. Oh, yes, but. So you go there in the morning, you see the rope, you gotta leave. Well, you don't have to leave. You should leave though, because what you'll need next is a new shovel and a widow. And she has to be holding a black cat.
Jack: A widow, yes.
Cristina: This is part of the plan. I don't know how they came up with this plan.
Jack: Get to the gold.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: The treasure. Didn't you already find where the treasure is?
Cristina: It's more complicated than that. That's where it's gonna be.
Jack: Except that it's not there yet.
Cristina: It's not there at all. It was there maybe. And then I guess this cat is magical. So it moves the treasure to different spots, underground, on the ground until it gets tired of using its magic to move it. And then it's there. I guess that's how it goes. That's how I think it works. Because. Okay, so with the new shovel, you're gonna dig that hole and then you're gonna throw the cat in the hole.
Jack: So you can bury the cat in the hole.
Cristina: No. And then the cat's gonna disappear. And then while you're digging the next hole, the cat's gonna reappear in the old lady's hand.
Jack: And the old lady's not gonna freak out.
Cristina: I'm guessing she knows. She's been through this a lot. I don't know how. Like maybe the first time.
Jack: Every town has an old lady whose job it is to hold a cat.
Cristina: The black cat. Yep.
Jack: When you're looking for gold because of some sort of demon fairy fox thing.
Cristina: Yes. I don't know how the first. Like, how they came up with this crazy plan in the first place that worked out like this. They must have tried a million other things right before they thought, like, What? It was this random old widow lady. Like, how did they come get that stuff? How did they get the cat? Did they try dogs? Did they try young girls? Did they try little boys?
Jack: Like, interesting.
Cristina: How many? Okay, so they got. You got the old lady, you got the cat. You keep digging holes, you throw the cat in. Eventually you'll hit the right spa.
Jack: Like, just go rob a bank. It's. It's that era where that's easy to do. What I feel like it would be less steps and you have more chances of succeeding. All these steps and that treasure might not even, like, be great.
Cristina: Yes. And also, if you show any fear, you'll be poisoned when you open the box.
Jack: Sweet. So you'll also die.
Cristina: See? See, It's. It's definitely a treasure. I don't know it's worth risking your life for, but I'm. I'm guessing it's really cool. Like, what would this little ador. Terrible thing be hiding? It must be amazing. It's gotta be. Maybe it's his puppies.
Jack: Maybe it's not even. Maybe it's just garbage. Hoarding garbage sticks.
Cristina: Sticks.
Jack: You open it as it sticks.
Cristina: That's so disappointing.
Jack: It's treasure, not your treasure.
Cristina: Oh, that's. That's crappy. And how did it get the poison in the box?
Jack: I don't know.
Cristina: That only knows. Like, it knows when you're fear. When you're showing fear, when you're digging holes and then the poison let out. This is. There's a lot of magic happening here with this creature.
Jack: Yeah, it seems to be the case.
Cristina: Yes. So I wonder how they even came up with this weird way of catching it.
Jack: Whoever thinks magic is. Whoever thinks this creature even exists is prone to just crazy s***. So they just like, stack like 12 different superstitions on top of each other.
Cristina: Yes. Also part of the. Besides, if you have any fear, you'll die, of course. But if you don't throw the cat in the hole, you can also die. You have to throw the cat in the hole.
Jack: Even if it won't stay in the hole.
Cristina: Even if it don't. Yeah. Because it's gonna, you know, disappear anyway or whatever. But yes. And you said that thing looks like what again?
Jack: Like a Phoenix Fox.
Cristina: Like a Phoenix Fox. But it reminded you of a Pokemon.
Jack: Jolteon.
Cristina: Jolteon? Why?
Jack: Jolteon kinda looks like Jolteon or Flareon. Flambo is one of the eons.
Cristina: Well, I'm going to say that it's based on. Or I guess the Pokemon that's based on it is Espeon.
Jack: Espeon doesn't have a diamond in its head.
Cristina: It doesn't?
Jack: Oh, Espeon does. I was thinking, for whatever reason, Vaporeon.
Cristina: And it's a psychic.
Jack: Yeah. And I don't know if that fluffy tail like this thing.
Cristina: Well, we don't know what its tail really looks like.
Jack: The one who does have a fluffy tail is Flareon.
Cristina: Yeah, that's true. But it's a psychic. Can we describe these powers as psychic? I don't know. When you have magic powers, is that psychic?
Jack: No.
Cristina: No. Okay, we'll just say that the diamond is what makes it look Espeon.
Jack: Yeah, because otherwise it looks like Flareon.
Cristina: Yeah. And there's another. There's. If so, Espeon is probably based on that, but also another creature, another from another mythology, which is a Japanese one called the Nekomata. And this creature has. It's a cat. It's a really. When your cat gets super duper, duper old instead of, I guess, dying, it just. Its tail will split up into. And then it becomes evil. It becomes evil and wants to eat you.
Jack: Okay.
Cristina: Yes. That's what the Neca Mata is. There are two types of neck omadas. There's one that lives in the mountain. The mountain ones have eyes like a cat and a body of a dog, which is, I guess, very scary. I don't know, because. What's the. What about the face? No, I think it has the body of a dog. So it has probably the face of a dog with a cat eyes. I don't know if that's really that scary. But they describe it as a beast. I don't know if you think of that as a beast.
Jack: I mean, a beast is anything that's not human.
Cristina: Oh, okay. Well, I guess dogs Are beasts everything that's not human. Oh, okay. So, yes. Well, this beast is very dog like, even though it's a cat. They eat humans and they live deep in the mountains, and they also shapeshift.
Jack: Into humans because everything shape shifts into humans.
Cristina: Yes. And then the other type that I told you already was the domestic cat, Nekomata, which is just a cat that grows old, and for some reason, its tail splits up into two. And that is what Espeon has, if you notice. Its tail is two. Has two tails.
Jack: Yes. Yes, it does, actually.
Cristina: Yeah. And I found one story about this creature. If you want to hear it, go for it. A rich samurai. There was a rich samurai whose house was haunted, and no one could figure out what to do. So he kept bringing in, like, priests and other people to get rid of the spirit, and nothing worked. Until a servant saw that his cat. There was something wrong with the cat. It was holding something in its mouth. I think it was a tiny ghost in its mouth. So he killed the cat. And then they saw that the cat had two tails, and they were like, oh, that's an evil cat. It's an evil cat. Yes. And I think they used to kill or cut off the cat's tails. When you own a pet cat in Japan, so that it won't turn into a nekomara when it gets old, preemptively.
Jack: Just chop off its tail.
Cristina: Yeah. Look at this one. This is a picture of one. And they're learning how to walk on their legs.
Jack: You mean a drawing of one?
Cristina: Yeah, the drawing. It's based on the real creature. These are cats that are. Their tails are split and they're walking onto. Because that's what happens when cats get owed.
Jack: Their tails split in two, and then they just walk exclusively on their hind legs.
Cristina: Yes, yes. So now you know more about Espeon's background.
Jack: Got you.
Cristina: Yes. And there are other Pokemon that are based on very strange mythologies as well, like Ninetales.
Jack: Ninetales? What the f*** is that?
Cristina: Based on a fox that has nine tails.
Jack: Ninetails is a horse, isn't it?
Cristina: What? What are you talking about? Oh, I don't have a picture of Ninetales. I'm gonna show you nine tails.
Jack: Oh, yeah. I was thinking about a horse with a bunch of tails.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cristina: But not as. Not the Pokemon.
Jack: Yeah, it's a Pokemon. Oh. What's Rapidash? Evolves into what?
Cristina: Rapidash is evolved form, isn't it?
Jack: Is it?
Cristina: It's just a big horse. I don't. With a fiery tail. It doesn't have many tails. Ninetales.
Jack: Holy. I don't know why I always picture Ninetales with some sort of a horse.
Cristina: You thought it was a. I mean, it's a really big fox.
Jack: Yeah, it's a huge fox. The previous form is obviously a fox.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: This is borderline dog.
Cristina: I can see that. Yeah. It's got a doggish face. It's a. It's a big, big.
Jack: I don't know why I never until this day considered the fact that Ninetales was a f****** fox. And, like, duh. It's just the evolution of baby fox.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Which was a tiny little fox with.
Cristina: A really cute hairstyle.
Jack: And then it evolved into this thing that looks nothing like a fox. It's like a dog.
Cristina: Yes, but it is a fox. Because foxes in. I think it's also Japan. I think also maybe in China. But foxes, after growing old, they get more tails throughout their lifetime.
Jack: Is that real?
Cristina: Is that real? No.
Jack: Oh, okay.
Cristina: That would be cool. Well, these creatures, they're called Kitsun, and as they age, they grow extra tails. And when they grow nine tails, they turn white.
Jack: Interesting. And do they become evil or they just become these majestically beautiful kinds of things?
Cristina: There's varying, very varied stories about them. Some of them are good stories, some of them are bad.
Jack: Do they leave trails of fire? That'd be cool.
Cristina: I think they're psychic. They have a bunch of abilities. A bunch of abilities. Also, after a hundred years, they have infinite wisdom.
Jack: This is very interesting because this line up heavily with Shinto.
Cristina: What do you mean?
Jack: It's these creatures. They are probably technically dead, but their spirit.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: Is what we're witnessing.
Cristina: Oh, okay. Yes. Well, yeah. This pretty much, Instead of dying, it seems like they live. Even though I guess it could be their spirit is living.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: And that's really happening.
Jack: Notice the transition from one point to the other.
Cristina: That's why it's white now instead of.
Jack: The orangey seamless move into a spirit form.
Cristina: Amazing. Wow.
Jack: So in the case of, like, creatures that guard, like, the spirit of the ocean or that, like, something has to die and then become the thing.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But one of these creatures could be a mythical. Think of like, you remember Suicune, the movie of Pokemon, saying, you know, singing on the Pokemon theme, that it was in the woods, like one of the legendary.
Cristina: Something. No.
Jack: When they went back in time.
Cristina: Yeah. Okay.
Jack: And there was the blue dog thing that was chasing.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That's the spirit of the forest or the woods or some s***. Or the lake. That's in there or some crap like that. Now, the assumption here is that was just a dog at some point, and then that dog lived very long, and then that dog transitioned to being the spirit of that place, but you never see the dog die. I think the same thing would apply here.
Cristina: I think they said that dogs were somehow related to the spirits of that Ghost Tower thing where all the dead Pokemon were kept.
Jack: I don't know. I'm relating to Shinto.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Like, if this was Shinto, that's what would be happening. You never see the death of the.
Cristina: Pokemon because it didn't die. The next stage of life.
Jack: Yeah. Sort of like what I think would happen if we died. People would see our body die, but we wouldn't see ourselves die. We would just be like, hey, I'm here. This is weird. What's happening?
Cristina: Yeah, that's interesting. Whoa.
Jack: So these creatures that just move forward, like, transform into this other thing, and to them it's just, well, I'm here. I'm doing my thing.
Cristina: Yes. But these things are. These creatures are so incredible. Like, infinite wisdom.
Jack: What the f*** does that even mean?
Cristina: I don't know. That's amazing. It sounds amazing. I don't know if that's actually an.
Jack: Amazing ability that makes it impossible to catch because it's always wiser than you are.
Cristina: Yes. I remember some stories where they can turn into people. They like to turn into girls for some reason. And if they get drunk, they might end up like. Like a tail might pop up. But that could be before they get their nine tails. Is when they're a little bit more riskier and they'll do something. And the tail. They won't be able to hide their tail. They sometimes do show off their tail, so I don't know. Well, how infinite ones them helps them. So it's probably that they get it. I mean, they. By the time they reach infinite wisdom, they probably stop pretending to be humans and things like that, because they weren't doing very good at that. They weren't very good at that. So I'm guessing that's a younger fox. Yeah.
Jack: They don't have the infinite wisdom and maturity.
Cristina: Yeah. They also have gained the ability to see and hear anything anywhere in the world. They're omni. Whatever.
Jack: Omnipresent.
Cristina: Yes. Is that something omniscient? I don't know which one. There's so many omni stuff. The Omni one with hearing and seeing.
Jack: Yeah. I think omniscient covers all the bases.
Cristina: And when they get. And after a thousand years, they become Gold. I wonder if we'll see that in the Pokemon world.
Jack: First they become white, then gold.
Cristina: Yes. They either turn white or gold after a thousand years. Yeah. I thought it was at 100 years. But at 100 years they should have all their tails by a hundred years. But if they don't, then by a thousand years when they have it, they'll change the color which would be either white or gold.
Jack: Interesting, interesting. So they just live forever. They're immortal.
Cristina: They're immortal, yes. Who's counting these ages? What human is like, okay. Or are they? I guess because they're in their wisdom and whatever. Like they gotta be pretty human. They. You have to be able to count the years. Right.
Jack: Guess the stories down.
Cristina: Yeah. These foxes, like the people who kept.
Jack: Track of that like 700 year old turtle or whatever the f*** it was like the great, great, great, great grandparents had a photo with the turtle.
Cristina: Oh, that's so sick.
Jack: It was. There was a drawing of the turtle originally. Because there weren't cameras.
Cristina: Oh. And it just. That was the proof that it was the same turtle.
Jack: Yeah. Cuz the turtle stayed in the family.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Then they just. There was like 12 or 13 sketches of the turtle. Because it would take. It would have a new thing done per generation. So I'm the father. I had it. My son is gonna do one with the turtle too. It's a family turtle.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: His son is gonna do one with the turtle. Eventually cameras happened.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And we transition over. And it's really huge. Black and white.
Cristina: That's awesome.
Jack: Not even black and white. That's sort of like orangey old school film.
Cristina: And you said how long?
Jack: It was like 700-year-old turtle.
Cristina: 700-Year-Old turtle?
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: It's a crazy old turtle that's older than a white fox. Oh my gosh. So turtles live forever.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Then they'll never become the spirit turtle.
Jack: Because they'd have to die in a seamless transition.
Cristina: Yes. But if those powers weren't crazy enough. There's so many powers. So many. They can possess people. They have fire and lightning. They are a Pokemon. They can appear in other people's dreams. They can fly.
Jack: The f****** omniscient part is what's crazy about this.
Cristina: It's just like see and hear everything.
Jack: And be everywhere all at the same time.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Like it's God. They just become God.
Cristina: It could create illusions. So. Yes. Like what? What?
Jack: Interesting. Just morph into a God.
Cristina: And those are its baby powers. The greater powers. You're not ready for this. Birth universes able to bend time and space.
Jack: Right, Right.
Cristina: What does that mean?
Jack: That's very suicune.
Cristina: Mm. They can drive people mad. Which isn't that crazy already because of all the things they could already do.
Jack: To you, like weak sauce.
Cristina: And also shapeshift into tall trees or a second moon in the sky.
Jack: That's pretty hardcore.
Cristina: That's pretty hardcore. So if we ever see a second moon in the sky, you know, it's this white fox.
Jack: It's a fox. Another giant object about to collide into the moon and destroy our entire solar system as we know it. Yeah, it's just a fox.
Cristina: Yeah. Oh. And like succubus, they could drink the life out of you if they wanted. Through sex.
Jack: Okay.
Cristina: Why? I don't know.
Jack: Yeah. My question would be, like, would they want to, though? Like, they can if they wanted to.
Cristina: But they want to. I don't know. I guess they would because I guess.
Jack: It would be like different personalities and some are like, imma be the bad.
Cristina: Yeah. Because some are, I'm guessing, bad and some are really good and rainbow of them. Yes. Because there's some that just get married to a guy and then, like, he finds out what she is and she runs away.
Jack: In love, death and robots. There was a spirit girl who turned. Gets turned into, like, a robot, which, by the way, watch. Love, death and robots. Audience, this is just. Just pay attention to that show.
Cristina: Beautiful stuff.
Jack: But, like, that was that thing.
Cristina: I think so. I think it was the kitsune.
Jack: Yeah. It was just some iteration of that where she didn't have many tales. But it was the same thing.
Cristina: Yes, it was just a fox, spirit creature thing. I think it's like the Irish folklore where fairy can be considered a creature, a ghost, you know, all those combination of things. But it's still one type of thing. I feel like this fits into that.
Jack: I feel like too, because it's not necessarily a spirit. It. It's not really. But it's like. It's kind of getting there. It's getting to the point where it's not alive in our understanding of alive. It just ages into transcendence. That doesn't make sense.
Cristina: That doesn't.
Jack: It must be dying in the course. And the death it goes through is so different than what we understand as death.
Cristina: Yes, but we just. Yeah, we just don't understand it. So.
Jack: And it's. It died and now it's this new thing. Or we. We have to divide evolution into two things. There's gradual natural evolution and then there's celestial evolution, which happens in one Moment to another phase.
Cristina: Like, phase like. Yeah, but like, everyone around you would see death, though. Is that what it would be or.
Jack: No, in the case of just people. Yes. You just died and now you're always dead. In the case of one of these creatures, it seems like. Well, no, I hit the point. Bright light. Oh, my God, it's blinding. Light goes away. It's a different thing.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Except even if we don't see that moment that happened there somewhere.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Where it's like it's slowly gotten wider and wider and grown extra tails, and at some point it started phasing in and out of existence.
Cristina: Like in Pokemon, where it's just one minute they're one thing, the next is another thing.
Jack: Yeah. It would be a quicker evolution than like humans evolving.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It takes us millions and millions of years. Theirs happens in the course of their lifetime.
Cristina: Yes, man. Ninetales are pretty cool, man. That anime was so awesome. Not anime that love death and robots. Love Death and robots episode. It's pretty cool, but yeah. So this Psychic Fox thing is probably what Ninetales was based on, right? We can agree to that.
Jack: I think so.
Cristina: Think so. And then in 1955, it was five adults and seven children. They went to the police station because they claimed that small aliens from a spaceship was attacking their farm. And they were in a. Like a shoot off with these aliens. And then the cops went to the farm just to make sure that they weren't like, attacking their neighbors instead or something. Because I don't think they assumed aliens. And they looked around and they only found the shells from the guns and hoes around the barn area. So there was shooting happening, but they couldn't find the aliens, Right?
Jack: Sounds about right.
Cristina: Yes. And the description of the aliens, Sableye, was inspired from this UFO encounter.
Jack: It. Wait, this came after that?
Cristina: Yeah. This is from the. Yeah.
Jack: And this is third generation, Right. This is like where it was still cool.
Cristina: Where it was still cool Pokemon.
Jack: Yeah. Before Pokemon got whack.
Cristina: Yeah. Who knew? They based things off of real weird events. I know, like they based on items and creatures and stuff, but aliens. I mean, they do have some aliens in the Pokemon world as well. Like Clefairy.
Jack: Yeah. She's a literal alien.
Cristina: She's a literal alien. Yes. So Sableye is also, or at least based on a real alien. That's pretty. That's probably one of the most interesting. The Pokemon. A lot of them are based on mythologies, or not a lot of them, but some of them are based off of mythologies and stabilized based On a real quote unquote event.
Jack: Yeah. There's a bunch of Pokemon based on a bunch of different things that are going on. Anywhere from just inanimate objects, animals to mythology, different mythical creatures and gods of different sorts as well as totally inanimate things. And like f******. Just not even inanimate things, but things that you couldn't hold. Like pollution.
Cristina: Pollution, yes. That's my favorite Pokemon pollution. Yeah.
Jack: Natural trash wonders like volcanoes are also Pokemon.
Cristina: Oh yeah? Yep. But did you know ghost too?
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Do you know the Pokemon Mawile? Mawile. I hope that's you how you pronounce it. It's a plant Pokemon. And it has like a. A giant leaf on its head. And it has like a giant mouth in the back of its head.
Jack: Right.
Cristina: Malwa is based on Furikuchi una, which is literally means two mouthed lady.
Jack: Because there's a lady with two mouths in some folklore.
Cristina: Yes, it happens because she. Because she doesn't like eating or something. She doesn't want to eat. And the mouth. And I guess her body's still hungry even though she's not. She's choosing not to eat. So it's develops a mouth and then its hair is turn alive like a. Like an octopus legs or something, whatever. And it grabs the food and forces it inside the mouth that's hungry. Well, it doesn't force it into the mouth. It helps the mouth eat because she won't eat.
Jack: So it's one mouth forcing. It's one mouth being forced to eat.
Cristina: No, the no mouth is being forced to eat. The hungry mouth is eating. The hares is helping it eat.
Jack: Oh, I understand.
Cristina: Not her main mouth. Her main mouth does not want to eat. So she doesn't eat. But then the other mouth is made and then it just starts eating for the both of them. So she ends up eating double instead of one normal meal. Because she was just too. I don't know. I don't know why she chose. She chooses not to eat until she's anorexia.
Jack: Yes, it's the anorexia Pokemon.
Cristina: Yes. So most of these stories involve her marrying some guy who's like really greedy and he doesn't like to waste his money. So he sees this. This lady who doesn't eat and he's like whoa, Imma save so much money with this lady. And so they get married and then because she doesn't eat, she develops the.
Jack: Mouth and then the mouth eats the guy.
Cristina: No, he just gets scared when he see he finds out because I wonder if there's a Story. I haven't read one, though, of him finding out that she attacks him. There's probably horror movies like that, though. But yes. Then there's a Pokemon called Dunsparce. You know that Pokemon?
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: It is so adorable. It is the cutest Pokemon ever. No, they're all cute. A lot of them are cute. Okay. And Dunspar is based on a creature called Sushi no Ko, which is like Japanese Bigfoot, which not like, doesn't look like him, but it's like a version of Bigfoot for them. Like, they see this creature, but there's no proof of its existence. And the Sushi no Ko looks pretty much like what the Pokemon's based on. It looks like a fat, fat snake that's had, like the body in the middle is super fat. Like it's just eating something.
Jack: And how does it move?
Cristina: It moves very oddly. It moves. It moves like a slug or snail. Like, I don't know, like it's going back and forth, forward.
Jack: Like it expands and contracts over and over.
Cristina: Yeah. Which is. I wish I could see this creature move. So, yeah, this is like an overweight, a fat snake that instead of slithering, it just moves forward. It's adorable. And the legends say that it can leap great bounds. It could leap over buildings and etc. And that's why they think the Pokemon has its little wings that it has. You know, it has these cute little wings that it probably doesn't use in the poke world. You know, those little things. So that's probably why it has it, because the creature is known to jump.
Jack: So it's like Magikarp.
Cristina: Like Magikarp, yes. Is Magikarp known for jumping over mountains?
Jack: Over mountains, yeah.
Cristina: So then it turns into a dragon. Although Magikarp is also based on a mythology, you know. You've heard of that one though, right?
Jack: Yep.
Cristina: I think it's Chinese. It's carps just trying to get up a mountain where there's a gate up there, the Dragon Gate. And if they can get up there, which is really hard to get there, they turn into a dragon. And that's Gyarados. So it's based on both magic.
Jack: Japanese dragon, too? No, it's a Chinese. Right. It's very Chinese dragon.
Cristina: It's. Yeah, I think it's Chinese. Yes. Yes. Some Tsuchinoko can speak. And they also love to drink alcohol, which is awesome. Wouldn't you want that as a pet? It's a fat worm that. What is it? Like, it moves towards you in a weird slug like way and likes to Drink alcohol and speak to you.
Jack: I wouldn't want that. Now that's weird.
Cristina: What? Who knows what Hit wants to say to you? Although it does have the habit to lie. So maybe it's a good thing that you don't want to talk to it. What could it be lying about? I want to know. It's lies.
Jack: Maybe it's sarcastic lying. Maybe it's like, yeah, man, I was gambling outside and it's like you've been slowly been creeping around the house the whole day just pretending it had like a real cool. Like, I bet you don't know where I was today. Like, I've seen you crossing the living room for the past seven days. Yeah, you've been nowhere.
Cristina: Oh my gosh, what an awesome fact. Oh, that is so awesome. I hope it's exactly like that.
Jack: Always just sarcastically cracking stupid jokes.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: There aren't necessarily lies as much as they are just sarcasm.
Cristina: Yeah. That's beautiful. And it's always has some excuse of why the beer bottle is empty or whatever.
Jack: And he knows, you know, but he's also like totally not like being upfront about it.
Cristina: Yes. So awesome.
Jack: Where's that beer can empty? I don't know. I found it like that.
Cristina: Man, they should make this Pokemon even more like the Sunoku because it already looks like it. Why not make it behave like that? That is awesome. Not very kid friendly though.
Jack: No, it's very adult content.
Cristina: Well, if they ever want to make Pokemon an adult contest type of show. Because they do that. They do that. This creature also likes to swallow its tail and it rolls around like a wheel.
Jack: What does that mean?
Cristina: Like a wheel? Like in a circle. Like it has its mouth. The tail is in its mouth, so it's a circle on it.
Jack: So it just becomes an Ouroboros at random?
Cristina: Yeah, it becomes an Ouroboros. They think it's similar to a hoop snake. Have you heard of a hoop snake that's a legend in America and Australia.
Jack: I haven't heard of a hoob snake.
Cristina: Well, I guess over here in Australia and in Canada, people have seen snakes bite their tail and turn into wheels. I don't know. That's a really wild. Snakes are weird, I guess. I don't know if any pet snakes have done that, but they swear they've seen snakes do that in the wild, I guess. That's so cool. What do you think about Sneasel?
Jack: Great Pokemon. It's kind of overpowered.
Cristina: What type of Pokemon is it? A dark Pokemon?
Jack: Yeah, it's a dark. Dark and normal or some s***. I'm not sure. Maybe it might be pure dark. I'm not sure.
Cristina: The sneasel is based on a Japanese creature called the Kama Itachi, which is the words for sickle and weasel.
Jack: Sickle, weasel, Sickle, weasel.
Cristina: Which. It looks like a weasel with sickles for its hands. It.
Jack: It doesn't really look like a weasel. No, really, it looks like, physically like our metaphoric definition of a weasel. Like a sneaky person.
Cristina: Oh, it just looks like a sneaky person.
Jack: Yeah, it's.
Cristina: You wouldn't trust that guy.
Jack: No, it's probably gonna steal some s***.
Cristina: Yeah. Well, these kami. These kama Itachi are so, so scary. They're so scary. They're sneaky for sure. They like to. They like to hunt in three, and they move very quickly around you. The first one knocks you down. The second one uses its long sickle like hands and cuts your leg off. And the third one heals your wound. And then you don't realize you were attacked because they're stealing parts of your leg. They're stealing meat to eat for later. Cause that's cool. Oh, my gosh. That's horrifying.
Jack: That's pretty f***** up.
Cristina: Yes. You would just think that you were tripped, but that's what really happened. Why you tripped. That is the story of why you tripped. These three sneaky creatures ripped your leg off. Well, they didn't rip your leg. Oh. They ripped your leg open, took some meat, and then sewed it back up like nothing happened.
Jack: So never notice.
Cristina: Yep. What?
Jack: No harm, no foul.
Cristina: No harm. Like tripping over there? That sucks. What? I mean, I guess it could be happening over here and you wouldn't know because they move so fast. There's a Pokemon called the Manectric, which has. It's very bluey and yellowy and it's electric. And it's based on a Japanese legend of Raiju, which is a thunder wolf or dog. Thunderdog. Thunder beast. It's a thunder animal. It could be anything, really, because it has many different. You know how the other one had a. It could be a cat or a dog or flies or fireflies for the carbuncle. Well, this one, it could be a cat or a dog or a mouse. It could be a fish. It could be a squirrel. There's so many different.
Jack: So it's a shapeshifter.
Cristina: Yes, I guess so.
Jack: But the main form, by saying it's a shapeshifter.
Cristina: Yes, but the main form, I guess, that it likes to. It prefers, is a dog. And this dog when it walks around, its body is made out of lightning. And in bad weather, it likes to run around. And that's why you see lightning and thunder, because that's it jumping around everywhere.
Jack: It's hanging out in the sky on.
Cristina: Top of buildings and trees and stuff. Wherever you see, like, marks, burnt marks where lightning has struck, that's really the Raju.
Jack: Okay, that makes sense.
Cristina: Also, another Pokemon that might be based on this is Raichu, which is also electric, but it's the mouse. But this thing looks like whatever, so there could be any electric Pokemon based on this.
Jack: It's like almost all folklore are about some sort of shapeshifter.
Cristina: Yeah. My favorite thing of this Raju creature is it's the companion of Raijin, who's the God of lightning. And whenever he looks for him, he strikes at him to wake him up from where he sleeps. And where this creature likes to sleep, sleep is in belly buttons.
Jack: So he becomes microscopic? Not microscopic, but super tiny.
Cristina: Yes. So people during thunderstorms lie on their stomach so that it won't sleep in their belly button. Also, there's stories that he only sleeps on your belly button if you're sleeping outside. Fair.
Jack: That makes sense.
Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. It's a cute story. It's not a cute story because I guess you die in the end of that story. But it likes to sleep in your belly button. I don't know why, but it does. I want to see that Pokemon turn into a tiny thing and, like, sleep in Ash's belly button. No, that would be weird. That would be really weird. But there's a legend about this creature about. In a stormy night, a samurai drew his sword in the right time because he struck something. A lightning bolt. And of course it. Well, when he struck the lightning bolt, the whole area became smoky. And he didn't see what happened until the smoke cleared. And then he saw a dead Raiju on the ground.
Jack: Why did he attack lightning?
Cristina: I don't know. Because he thought his blade could do something. I feel like that would kill him.
Jack: Though his blade did do something. But, like, why did he know?
Cristina: He's got six sense. 10 cents. He's got super sense. That's how great it is. I guess the highest level of samurai in this. Is there belt in samurai? Is there, like, a high samurai level of, you know, like in karate?
Jack: I have no idea.
Cristina: Then there's Ho Ho. You know Ho ho.
Jack: Ho oh.
Cristina: Ho oh. You know Ho oh. Can you guess what Ho oh was based on?
Jack: Ho oh.
Cristina: It is a firebird. How many firebirds do you know it's a phoenix? Yes, it's a phoenix. It's a phoenix. In Japan, the phoenix is called Ho. Oh.
Jack: Ah.
Cristina: So, yes, they didn't really switch up anything. It's really just the phoenix in the game. There's no magic happening there. I mean, it's not really based on. It really is just. Just the Phoenix. It's just the Phoenix. When it comes to those birds, is there just one in the world or are there multiple?
Jack: That is a fantastic question. There are three legendary birds. Three legendary dogs. Mew, Mewtwo. We at least know Mewtwo for a fact. There's only one. Yes, there's Lugia. Ho. Oh, and like, what about all the Regis? What about Celebi? What, like, is there one of these m************? Just one of each.
Cristina: How does that work?
Jack: Where the f*** did it come from?
Cristina: Yes. Unless the God monster, the God Pokemon made them.
Jack: I think so.
Cristina: Is one of them.
Jack: I think so. I think it comes. It breaks down in that fashion.
Cristina: But what happens when one dies?
Jack: They're gone.
Cristina: They're just gone.
Jack: Yeah. I think it starts at the God Pokemon, Whatever the f***. Arceus.
Cristina: I have no idea.
Jack: Then created the universe. And Mew is Jesus.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Mew made the living things.
Cristina: Well, then that's not very Jesus. Like, God made everyone.
Jack: So I guess he's God.
Cristina: Yeah, he's really God.
Jack: Because Arceus is the God of the gods.
Cristina: Yeah. They're just seeing the Christian God is made by this other God.
Jack: Yeah, the Christian God was made by Arceus.
Cristina: Yeah. Maybe there's a Pokemon called Whiscash, which is a catfish Pokemon. Or I think it's a giant cat. I would say it is.
Jack: It's a catfish.
Cristina: It's a catfish with giant whiskers. Very simple. It's based on a catfish creature. In Japan, in the Japanese myth, there is a catfish named Namazu, which likes to create earthquakes and stuff just by flapping its tail. It's just so huge that it creates earthquakes.
Jack: And this Pokemon is that big?
Cristina: I don't think it's that big, but it has attacks that are similar. It creates earthquake attacks. Isn't that a Pokemon attack?
Jack: Water and ground?
Cristina: Yeah, it's water and ground. That's exactly the type. Is there many water and ground? Because isn't ground weakness to water? So, yeah.
Jack: So this Pokemon's particularly overpowered.
Cristina: Well, yeah, there's Zap. Zapdos. I don't know if we talked about Zapdos. Not Zapdos, but what he's based on which is the Thunderbird. I don't know if we talked about the Thunderbird before.
Jack: The f*** is a Thunderbird?
Cristina: Okay, good. Well, Thunderbirds are mythical creatures that the Native Americans believed in, right? And they created thunders and they control lightning and all that stuff. Good stuff. And they like there was a bunch of different tribes and they have all these different ideas of it and most of it revolves around like they're here to either watch over us, to see that we're doing the right thing, you know, like good or bad or whatever. And they'll punish us if we're bad. There's some like they. They're fighting water creatures. There's like giant snakes or giant water creatures that they. That are the enemies of these birds for some reason. So they have this epic fight and that's what's creating those thunderstorms and stuff is just the fight of these animals.
Jack: Like Battle of the Titans or something.
Cristina: Yeah. So it's some underworld creature versus giant bird creatures. There's a Pokemon called Golok which looks like a robot. He looks like a giant robot?
Jack: Yeah, he's a Golem, not a robot.
Cristina: He's a Go. Well, he is a Golem. He's based on a Golem. How can you tell he looks like. I mean, besides this picture that I have of him next to the Golem he's based on. How could you tell he's a Golem?
Jack: Does not look like a robot to me.
Cristina: I don't know what a Golem looks like.
Jack: Sonic Ripoff Eggman designed robot. Are you talking about he looks exactly.
Cristina: Like a Sonic Ripoff.
Jack: I see that. I see exactly why you think he looks like a robot.
Cristina: What do you think he looks like a Golem? What Go have you seen?
Jack: He looks like every. Every Golem looks like that. They're all the same s***.
Cristina: They're all just giant creatures. Oh, there's a Pokemon called Golem. He doesn't look like a Golem.
Jack: Yeah, Golem isn't a Golem.
Cristina: He's not a Golem.
Jack: No, Golem is not a Golem. Golem is a rock. He's specifically a Indiana Jones esque boulder.
Cristina: But those golems all look like different things. Like maybe it is a Golem made out of rocks. No, some of them look fiery.
Jack: Like there are golems made of rocks. But Golem is an Indiana Jones boulder. The one you push off and then roll down the hill.
Cristina: Oh my God.
Jack: That's what he is.
Cristina: Why did they name him Golem? This Pokemon deserves that name. But Golek Golurk. But to Golurk is based on a golem that helped the Jews from one of the many times that they needed help. Because they needed help.
Jack: So golems are biblical?
Cristina: Yes, I guess so. They're Jewish creatures. The Jews make them, and they're magical.
Jack: Jews make golems.
Cristina: I guess they got magic. That's why the Christians hate them. They're like, magic is evil. And we came from that. That is evil. I don't know. I don't know how it works. Maybe they're jealous of that power because.
Jack: They don't have it.
Cristina: They don't have it, Exactly. They've lost. They've lost the powers of creating golems.
Jack: Chew magic.
Cristina: Yes. Well, if you see in the picture, the specific golem in the story has. What would you call those bandages? And the Pokemon golem has that too, you know, I don't know what's called the. And the symbols on it is just, what, magic writing on it, I'm guessing, like runes keep it alive. Like runes? Do they know runes? I don't know. Well, it could be a combo of things, I guess. But in the Pokedex, it says that they're created by the ancient people with the goal of protecting humans and Pokemon, which is what the regular golem is created.
Jack: That's what my golem in Minecraft does. It protects us from creepers and things of such nature.
Cristina: So all golems. Golems are made for that purpose.
Jack: But some golems become evil.
Cristina: They do.
Jack: I don't know. Maybe they're owned by a bad guy. They're just protecting whoever made them, I think. Whoever they're cast to protect.
Cristina: Oh, so they're not really good or bad.
Jack: Yeah, they're probably not even conscious.
Cristina: Yeah, probably.
Jack: There's nothing going on. It's just.
Cristina: Are they like Frankenstein?
Jack: Well, no, that's alive.
Cristina: Oh, okay. It's not alive.
Jack: No, it's not. It is. He's biological.
Cristina: What level of alive is he?
Jack: He's closer to, like, fire, I guess.
Cristina: Okay, but you.
Jack: I guess. He's not alive. Alive. He's. He's alive, but not by a lot. He is biological, d*** it. He's. Yeah, he's biological.
Cristina: He can't think. He can't. He has no needs.
Jack: Frankenstein.
Cristina: No, I'm talking about the golem.
Jack: Oh. Oh, I didn't realize. We saw it back.
Cristina: Yeah. What is he. How alive is he?
Jack: He's not alive.
Cristina: He's not alive at all.
Jack: Basically, a robot that you control with magic instead of electronics.
Cristina: Oh, Even if he looks human.
Jack: Yes. Kind of like a Android that you control remotely.
Cristina: Oh, okay. Okay. That's all that it is. Okay.
Jack: Anyways. Anyways, we are running out of time.
Cristina: All of that came from black cats.
Jack: Black cats and Pokemon.
Cristina: Yes. So beware of these creatures in the woods or something. If you're in the woods with your friend trying to get them to listen to an episode. Is that what happened?
Jack: No. You wandered in the woods with your laptop and a boombox.
Cristina: Oh, yeah.
Jack: And you were trying to get strangers you came across in the woods to listen to the show with you.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And I guess you stumbled upon a black cat and. Or something.
Cristina: Yes. And you're using it for treasure hunting.
Jack: Yes. But now, all things considered, this isn't the only episode with Pokemon that we have. There are actually a couple of episodes where we mention Pokemon in different. There's no Pokemon specific episode. No, but there are episodes that have a lot of Pokemon, including one where we try to find out if there's cannibalism. No. There's pollution in Pokemon.
Cristina: Yes. And hysteria. The Pokemon hysteria. But that was based on real life and not the game.
Jack: Yeah. Wow. We. Do we talk about Pokemon? This is the official Pokemon show.
Cristina: We rarely talk about HO1. That's why I thought, why not we.
Jack: Talk about Pokemon enough for this to be the official Pokemon show.
Cristina: Okay. This is the official Pokemon show.
Jack: At least for this episode.
Cristina: For this episode. Come back for more.
Jack: Find those episodes. If you want some more Pokemon in your life or anything else, you can find those on the official website. Greatthoughts.info on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and pretty much anywhere you get your podcasts.
Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTokisconvopod.
Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe and rate. And if you feel so inclined to review the show with whoever you're forcing.
Cristina: To listen to, let someone who might like this show know about it.
Jack: Yes. Word of mouth is very important. So you find people who you care about and love and tell them, hey, just conversation me, you, glass of wine, midnight stars sitting on the beach.
Cristina: They want to be listening to us.
Jack: Yes. And then as soon as you're done with the episode, you play the killers on the beach. Make sure it's about to start raining.
Cristina: No, that sounds very great. It sounds like a great night.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.
Jack: Because here's what I would say. Maybe he was the first saint.
Cristina: What?
Jack: And thus his death got associated with oversleeping because all the other saints would later be living saints. But no, they all have to be dead. So based on this, they're all the saints of oversleeping. If he's not the saint of roosters. Roasted.
Cristina: Roasted. He is the thing of roasted. I don't.
Jack: He's the saint of roasted rooster.
Cristina: It's over sleeper. Because the. I get it. Sort of, I guess, like the rooster, you. You get woken up by a rooster, but the rooster's dead, so you over.
Jack: So. Okay, Okay.
Cristina: I don't know how that. You know, then. What a crazy story.
Jack: It's a title. Not a thing.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: It's just. We needed to call you something, but.
Cristina: We'Re gonna pray for you if we oversleep, I guess. Or not to oversleep.
Jack: The question is, is that how it works?
Cristina: Yeah, I think so.
Jack: You pray to them for the thing?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Really?
Cristina: Yeah, I think so. Like, there's specific prayers people made for these saints. If you can't make up your own prayer or whatever, you can just find a prayer dedicated to them for a specific thing.
Jack: Interesting, interesting.
Cristina: So people pray for him to not oversleep? I guess. Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.
