Rambling 292: The Lost City of Dwarka
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What is the ancient city of Dwarka? What is known of it? What is it no longer around? The duo comb through what is known of a lost ancient city found beneath the ocean by researchers. From its structures to its technology and its ultimate downfall, no stone is left unturned. What is discovered adds a new layer to what we know about ancient civilizations.
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- Ancient City
- Advanced Technology
- Sonar Scanning
- Historical Records
- Solar Energy
- Flood Prevention
- Mysterious War
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+Transcript
Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.
Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.
Jack: And this is a show where we ground humanity's most baffling and absurd ideas. Or is it absurd and baffling ideas? One of those two something there, right?
Cristina: Baffling, absurd ideas.
Jack: Like how world's most absurd and baffling ideas. No, it's actually that order. At least we usually do most absurd and baffling ideas, not baffling and absurd. Although it doesn't really matter. No, because they're both baffling. Like, wow, how jarring and absurd. Like, this is crazy.
Cristina: This is crazy.
Jack: Yeah, for the most part, it's very crazy. Anyways, we have, as of late, been kind of diving in and out, looking at random crap, and that has been connecting dots for us by looking in different directions and random crap associates back to all the previous crap. Because everything in the universe seems to be one giant megastructure. All lines connect.
Cristina: Yes. It's just hard connecting them. But like, with enough information.
Jack: Yeah, with enough information, all the dots eventually come together. But I've been looking around and I found something interesting that, weirdly enough, has not come up before, although could be very relevant, actually is really relevant. I made sure it was relevant.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So apparently there isn't just the Persian Gulf oasis that is underwater and abandoned, but rather other locations that similarly exist underwater abandoned. We've seen, you know, trails, but it's usually associated with the Elysians.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Like if we look at the path in Bimini going straight down to the Atlantic Ocean in the direction of the suspected location of their current home, and the sculptures and statues and things in that direction, they kind of just line up with the Elysians.
Cristina: Yeah, like the lion statues and stuff.
Jack: Yes. And pyramids down there and all the usual kind of crap. Right. Now, interesting enough looking in other locations and kind of combing through random data, I've come across a couple of other places that fit these suits but aren't related to the Elysians. Not directly. Not that the Elysians built it. They related to the Elysians in a different kind of way. Which we'll get to.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And so I did some deep dives, I read some books, I looked through some articles and some research papers, and I've put together some of the information on one of these locations. We're going to go through all of these locations eventually.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But one of these locations stuck out to me very, very specifically. And hopefully when we go to the other ones, this will enlighten them. The place we're going to be talking about is called Dwarka.
Cristina: Where's Dwarka?
Jack: Dwarka is a sunken city off the coast of India.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay, so there's a bunch of cities underwater. That's what you're saying?
Jack: There's a bunch of cities underwater. Wow. Now, Dwarka is first mentioned in some scripture related to some of those we know now are fairies. But yeah, related to scripture.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And the Indians have all the scriptures about these deities that turn out to just be part of the fairy cluster. But we do have some other mentions starting all the way in the year 300 BC. Now, I went through all of this, but there were a group of people who were already putting this information together. And so I went through their collective works that kind of unpacked all of these other works that exist throughout history and time. So we're going to be looking at some specific texts, some research papers and some collections.
Cristina: What's the name of the place?
Jack: Dwarka. Now, the things we'll be looking at are the Lost City of Dwarka by S.R. rowe. Marine archaeology of the Indian Ocean Countries, edited by S.R. rowe. Excavations of Dwarka by H.D. sankalia. The Archaeology of Bet Dwarka by A.S. ghaur and Sundarash. And Archaeological Survey of India Reports, which is a collection by various individuals and they all use research with sonar, deep dives, they have excavations happening down there. They have a bunch of random all. All the different crap you can imagine on top of all the different mentions of text that existed and both public records that existed in the past and of scripture that has been written relative to this place. So all of the above is in these. And so I went through their works and as I was going through their works, I was cross referencing by going and looking at the original thing that they're talking about to make sure they're not putting their own twist on things. But I use these as a guide ultimately.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Now, there's a lot going on here. And I'll tell you what is included inside of these texts so you have some idea of how we know the things we know.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Within all of the research, we have archaeological findings, we have marine exploration data, we have underwater scans, we have, which also includes like sub bottom profiling and scans of below water level. That's basically what that is. We're getting scans of what's directly over the and scan. Not over the water, over the ground, underneath the water. And then scans of what's beneath the ground.
Cristina: Beneath the ground?
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: There will be diving expedition reports, artifact documentations which include stone anchors, pottery and actual structures that have been seen, located and scanned. Carbon dating maps of the city and layout reconstructions.
Cristina: Cool.
Jack: Based on old texts, geological and environmental studies, comparative studies with other ancient cities, cultural and trade connections to the region, non religious historical records and interpretations of religious records, and scholarly analysis of the scripture and inscriptions for historical correlation.
Cristina: Deep dive crazy. That's mad info on this city.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. People have been trying to figure it out. If we use all of that data and what we personally know, that is not considered part of the canon narrative because you got to cross reference such a plethora of data, you're going to see how this starts to form into a very cohesive image. So let's begin. Now, basically, this was described as one of the most advanced cities to have ever existed. And we know like, that's a huge statement considering the Egyptians existed, the Greek existed, the Mayans existed.
Cristina: And how old is this supposed to be? As old as those or older.
Jack: So weirdly enough, we know that the Egyptian and the Mayan are no older than 6000 BCE. They were given things provided by the Elysians in order to catch up in the first place.
Cristina: Around the same time around.
Jack: Well, no, I believe it was first the Egyptians and then the Mayans much later. But this city is actually 9,000 BCE, which gets way close to the first mention of Jehovah ever. 12,000 BCE. Fascinating. Yeah. This is older than Maya and Egypt and actually even older than Greece.
Cristina: That's crazy. That is old.
Jack: And claiming to be one of the most advanced cities ever. Now this is obviously without the. The knowing of these other locations, how would they know? They could totally have just been. It's the most advanced at this point. And then later these mega cities arrive. So by reference point, they wouldn't have known. And it could have been without knowing about the Aletians, they could have definitely 100% been the most advanced. And then later more advanced civilizations came to be. This is located on the western coast of India, near modern day Gujarat. Gujarat. And this emerged in the Gulf of Combat, which is close to the present day city of Dwarka, which is a city of the same name. There's a currently Dwarka.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And there's this ancient Dwarka that's underwater. That's underwater. And again, constructed about 9,000 BCE older than that, roughly According to archaeological evidence.
Cristina: Was it always underwater though? Like does. Did something happen that put it underwater or something?
Jack: Put it underwater? Yes.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It was not always underwater. Now we're just gonna break down how advanced the city was. For the most part, we're gonna talk about the details of the city and just kind of inform people on what the city kind of was like. Now keep in mind everything that's being cross referenced to prove this. So first of all, the city had a grid type of layout. So it has a grid layout and text described that this had wide roads, structured grid system, advanced urban planning, and was efficiently distributed to kind of look like a modern day city. Now this is proved by sonar scans that we can see collections of structures together with gaps in the middle that if you were to map it out, would essentially just be roads, streets, straight shot streets, because collections of structures would be to either side and then emptiness straight down the middle and Sounds pretty.
Cristina: Advanced for the past. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jack: And it would have, you know, would like create blocks. Basically it would just create city style blocks in a like literal grid. Squares. It's just squares. So in theory, you could just walk around a block and you moved a square and in the block itself, many different types of structures of different sizes, of different widths, of different heights. Interesting design. According to texts, there are zoned districts. So the city was divided into sections for residential, commercial, governmental use, suggesting highly organized zoning, which could be supported by the fact that we do see the city blocks. Additionally, in the scans, you also see collections of different sizes of buildings. So there'll be many small structures in this area all together, rather than one really small, one really big one. You know, it'll be a lot of really small ones and then over there a lot of really big ones. That's kind of showing that there was at least correlation between the structures. Maybe this was residential and houses, or maybe those buildings were where they lived and these were all government buildings that were the smaller ones.
Cristina: Okay, yeah.
Jack: So there was a distribution according to size and width, which could support the idea of zones, allowing for things to work. There was also in the very center of the town, what appears to be a sort of. How do I explain all the roads ultimately lead to a circular center, which could be the market, based on everything else leading in that direction, which happens to be next to one of the oddest shapes. Not oddest shapes, but oddest collection of buildings that don't kind of match anything on the outskirts, which would assume residents lived on the outskirts and towards the center was the market. And the government things.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: As well as possible recreational areas, they had multiple gates and entrances to the city.
Cristina: There's a lot there, like, that's still there too. The gates, like, how much can they actually see from the scans? Or this is part of the.
Jack: All of the above. Okay.
Cristina: Just combining all the information.
Jack: This is combining all the information. I'm not going to break down what was what in crazy detail because we would never make it through this. But. And where it matters, I'm going to tell you. You don't have to ask about it. I will tell you specifically what we do see when it matters. But strategic gates at different points of entry provided access to the city while enhancing security and traffic flow. So there was ways in and out through different entrances and exits. A comprehensive large scale wall has been caught on sonar. On sonar. Surrounding the entire city. Well, so a quite large wall, the size undefined, but definitely could be easily over 30ft tall, surrounding the entire city. And then the gates are on this like giant wall, allowing for entrances, roads. The empty gaps that we would believe are roads kind of seem to go straight into where the gap in the wall would be, which would suggest that is the gate itself.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So they definitely had the city protected from the outside. Maybe you needed kind of passes to come in and out. Especially if this is such an advanced layout of a city. Everybody else who didn't have the technology was not gonna scale the wall. And these are poor people walking in. Not poor people, but unadvanced people.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Coming to this mega, super futuristic, comparatively place. Now, in the text, it suggested that there were grand palaces, so palaces made of gold and precious metals, which would suggest a monumental architectural ability with reinforced designs in the buildings themselves. Now, sonar scans can't actually detect the specific materials the structures were constructed with, but marine archaeological dives near the site have located all the materials mentioned.
Cristina: Really?
Jack: They can't prove any structure was made.
Cristina: Of these materials, but those materials are there.
Jack: All the materials mentioned are there.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So at least they had the ability to create the materials. That seems accurate. The idea of having an entire building made of these materials kind of immediately becomes questionable because how would you even source all of these materials in high quantities enough to make your city out of it?
Jack: That's where it kind of gets iffy. And it relies a lot on, well, the tech save. Like that's about as far as we can really honestly prove other than, well, they had the materials. We don't know if the buildings were made out of the materials.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Water management and engineering was fascinating. In this place, they had canals, waterways. And descriptions mentioned that the canals were running through the city potentially for transportation, irrigation and water supply. Fascinating that transportation is one of them, because it's not transportation of water. Water supply is part of it.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But the canals were used to navigate through the city as well. A counter to roads.
Cristina: Oh, that's cool.
Jack: Venice, Italy, essentially.
Cristina: Yeah, but they had roads too.
Jack: Yes, they had both. Venice has both. It's not just water, but is it.
Cristina: Mostly water or is it equal parts water and road?
Jack: It's definitely way less water. Navigation, it was way more roads and, like, just a few canals here and there that you could use for navigation.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But it's. It was there, which was an interesting idea to just that they also included this. Now, sonar scans have confirmed this alongside, detecting numerous thinner structures deeper than the canals themselves, and the waterways that scatter in every direction beneath the city. So there's the canals on the surface of the city. And then scans into this through the surface get you to what seems to be smaller structures going in every possible direction, which would suggest localized distribution of water to all structures within the city.
Cristina: That is crazy. That's crazy. Advanced.
Jack: Crazy advanced. Way more advanced than we would think for something 9,000 BC, which is 11,000 years ago.
Cristina: Whoa. How.
Jack: Crazy. So those are likely thin pipes underneath the canals which are delivered in the water. Now, reservoirs are said to be in the city. They're mentioned in all the texts that the city had large reservoirs ensuring a stable water supply, which would indicate advanced hydraulic engineering as well, in order to distribute it. Now, sonar scans can't actually confirm this, although large anomalous shaped gaps within random parts of the city suggest these might have been reservoir. They're just weird gaps on the surface and structures are built around them, and they're not of any specific shape, but they're just holes.
Cristina: So the best guess.
Jack: The best guess would be that those would have been the reservoir. If so, the city might have been selected specifically because of the reservoirs. So they chose this location to build the city because they had had places where they could naturally collect clean water.
Cristina: Nice.
Jack: Now we get into something a little more interesting. The flood prevention systems. This is going to come in very handy later.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Yeah. Now, flood prevention systems are described as protecting Dwarka from floods, suggesting an early form of flood defense, or levees. Right. Scans show some distance far from the city, like away from the city walls themselves. Deeper down, thicker than the city walls. A second set of shorter perimeter walls with connecting canals and unknown structures surrounding them likely Water pumps to drain the water out of the city.
Cristina: That's crazy. What happened.
Jack: This also suggests the possibility of flooding being a real issue they faced. So they built ways to counteract it.
Cristina: But it wasn't enough for whatever happened to them.
Jack: You think that a flood took them out?
Cristina: I don't know. It's hard to imagine what happened to them if they were already prepared based.
Jack: On all the technology we're talking about. Flooding is not what took them out. They have everything in measure. You know, the colossal size of the flood. That would have to catch them off guard with this level of technology.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And even then, they're ready to. If their structures are as strong and hard as they claim. The floods weren't gonna take them out. The floods weren't gonna remove them in any manner, shape, or form, so nothing was gonna happen. You know, go to the top of your buildings, and we'll drain the city.
Cristina: But something happened to them.
Jack: Yeah, I'm gonna get to that.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Now, building materials. Here's where it gets kind of iffy and hard to believe. Golden towers is a claim. Within the texts. Oh, palaces with golden towers were mentioned, possibly indicating advanced metallurgy and material strengthening techniques, which we can find the materials again, but we can't prove what the structures are made out of. It simply can't be proven, and it kind of exists in the text almost exclusively. Acquired materials from archaeological dives does in fact suggest dense reinforced gold. But this is actually. When it comes to gold in particular, it's kind of easy to do this with a lot of primitive techniques. We don't need particularly advanced anything. If we can create heat enough to melt other metals and mix them with. With the gold, that would dodge the need for any kind of advance, anything. Enough heat. You could just throw iron into the gold. You'll dilute the gold a little, but it'll still be gold. Yeah, and it'll be stronger. So it's not the. You don't need rocket science. Now the question is, what kind of reinforcement? None of the ones we found are particularly astounding when it comes to gold. There are many other materials that are astounding that probably shouldn't have existed at that point, but the gold wasn't one of them. So assuming these towers were made of gold. Well, you didn't do anything too impressive. And also, what the h*** would even be the benefit?
Cristina: Yes, you know, this is pretty.
Jack: Yes, it's pretty. But on the flip side, if you're so advanced, then you leave the realm of danger, especially with your walls. Being so defensive. And you land that. Why not make things look beautiful?
Cristina: Put a tower.
Jack: Why not?
Cristina: I guess you're not afraid of your neighbors, but then you have a. I don't know. Well, you're the most advanced as far as you know. As far as you know? Yeah.
Jack: Like, what do you. A couple of people with some sticks and rocks are gonna come and take your metal golden building. How?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Additional materials include crystals and precious stones. Gemstones adorn buildings, which could indicate knowledge of decorative stone working. And again, more reinforced materials. Although can't be proven purely within the texts. No amount of sonar or archaeological dive.
Cristina: Has proven this, so they haven't found any of that.
Jack: Well, we can't prove that the buildings are made with gemstones. Yeah, we'd have to go to that level of depth underneath the ground and look at the building. We'd have to excavate the whole city out of under the water. Under the water's dirt. Oh, we'd have to pull the city out of under the water's dirt in order to look at the buildings. The problem is the city sank and crap fell over the city. The city is not just underwater. It's under dirt. We can't look at the city.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: That's why scams are so important. But because of this, we can't tell what the decorations look like, what metals are made out of. When we're doing dives, we're diving and reaching the bottom and touching dirt on top of the city, and that's where we're finding the materials we locate. We would have to drill into the dirt to reach the buildings underneath us. Now, again, no amount of archaeological diving or sonar scans could prove that the buildings are decorated with gemstones. We can find the gemstones.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: We don't know what the buildings have on them, though, so only really excavating the city would prove this. Now, durable foundation. Coastal buildings suggest strong foundations, you know, to resist the sea's impact, in the case of storms, to resist flooding and all this kind of crap. So it would require innovative underwater construction techniques if you're on the coast. And the fact that they had walls for flooding proves that water was a problem. Sonar does confirm that below the city, there are additional structures almost always tied directly to buildings and canals.
Cristina: Okay, that's more water protection.
Jack: More water protection. This is assuring the buildings themselves aren't gonna have their foundation erode and fall. So they didn't just build up, they built down.
Cristina: That's pretty advanced. Oh, my God.
Jack: Pretty advanced and pretty deep down. If you're trying to stop a building from tilting or something, which would suggest, you know, additional reinforcement to withstand in a case of a flood overcoming the city walls. Impressive. Additionally, this. This leans into some really more advanced engineering. There are mentions within the text of earthquake resistant structures.
Cristina: Earthquake as well.
Jack: Yeah. So Texan implies that structures could survive natural disasters of all sorts, including seismic resistant architecture to withstand earthquakes and strong winds. Swaying buildings. How the h*** are they hard metals and swaying?
Cristina: They can tell that the swaying from the scans as well.
Jack: This is text.
Cristina: Oh, that's the text. Okay. That's crazy. That's crazy though.
Jack: Yeah. They can't tell that they can sway. Nothing can sway underneath. Tons and tons and tons and tons and tons of dirt.
Cristina: Dirt and water. That's crazy.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Okay. Whoa.
Jack: But if this is the case, then it would suggest layered construction. So that means beams on top of beams on top of beams that aren't a singular beam so that they can move out of each other's place and instead of a giant wind, snap the thing. But also, if you have a giant metal building, no amount of wind is gonna f****** do anything to that.
Cristina: So you think the text is wrong?
Jack: Well, no, I'm sure they had different kinds of structures.
Cristina: Overall, I guess it's all pretty advanced. Whether it's swaying or not swaying. Like it's. It's kind of crazy.
Jack: Yeah, it's. It does definitely hint to at least our level of technology. Every. Minus giant metal buildings. We do not have the resources. If they did, how. Where the h*** did you acquire this to make entire towers. Skyscrapers that are one solid block. How the f*** would you have done it? The only way would have been to melt steel all the way up there onto the existing steel framework and keep doing that progressively up to make it one giant chunk. Weird. But other than that, you had buildings that were composed of multiple pieces to allow swaying. An earthquake is not gonna shatter a giant steel building. No amount of wind is even gonna push that slightly. But there's no way all their buildings were like that. Those had to be special buildings.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: You know, you're burning a lot of resources. Yeah. You're destroy you. You. You're wasting material just to make one of those. So you would need all kinds of buildings in order to have a city.
Cristina: Unless they're also known for having mines nearby as well or something.
Jack: I'm sure most of this was mines. And there's no amount of mine. A single mining operation with hundreds of mines would get you one building. Maybe.
Cristina: Maybe. Okay.
Jack: Skyscrapers. Nah, it would get you one, dude.
Cristina: But they described having a tower.
Jack: At least many towers. Oh, many towers and many towers made of different materials, but many of them were solid, which is like how. How the h***. Oh, okay, so you used everything you had and there was nothing left?
Cristina: Everything and more. They were seven. Trading with a bunch of people too.
Jack: Yes. They must have been trained. With this level of technology, it's easy to believe that they were traveling great distances with some and delivering things to themselves.
Cristina: That's the only way. That's crazy.
Jack: Now, the city also had public spaces and temples. This is all mentioned within the text. And a lot of this could actually be seen on scans. Temples were described as aligned with celestial bodies, indicating knowledge of astronomy and its incorporation into building orientation. Now, although whether the structures detected are in fact buildings or monuments of sorts is unclear, sonar scans do confirm absolute alignment of a large portion of structures within the city with celestial bodies.
Cristina: And that's not just random?
Jack: That's not random. That had to be super intentional. Now this hints to a couple of things. This does hint to complicated astronomical knowledge. And? And some texts go as far as suggesting the awareness of objects deeper into our star system and even some outside of it. Which would require a minimum of interplanetary traveling technology.
Cristina: No, no.
Jack: A minimum. Some things today we could have never seen without being at the edge of our own star system.
Cristina: How's that powerful?
Jack: And they have knowledge of those things that we have only recently, within the last hundred years, come across.
Cristina: That one's hard to imagine.
Jack: It's in the text. That one we can't even deny. It's in the within. Old texts, they mention things we have only recently discovered.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: What things we have just stumbled upon in the last hundred years? They had 9,000 BCE they knew about. At least they knew about.
Cristina: How is that even possible?
Jack: They got structures aligned with crap we didn't know existed in our own star system, in the belts and s***. They got Planet Xmax mapped out somewhere. It's like get the f*** out of here. How?
Cristina: That's ridiculous.
Jack: You knew about some s*** we just theore still theorizing about. That's crazy. As for the public areas and the markets, Dwarka had public squares for gathering and markets, which implies well designed public spaces for trade and community activities. Text also mentioned trade with other like minded civilizations from both near and far.
Cristina: Like minded?
Jack: Yes. That doesn't mean that they were equally technologically advanced, but that they were at least friendly.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Now it does claim that there were a few trades with rivals that they had in Peace treaties.
Cristina: But they don't mention who these rivals are.
Jack: They don't mention who these rivals are specifically. At least not as far as me writing those notes. Weirdly enough, they had like public polling areas in their texts as well. Pooling pool pools, public pools. People go swimming.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Without it having to be the ocean.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Different from their reservoirs that they kept clean.
Cristina: Yeah. They have mad water stuff.
Jack: Yes. The city very connected to water.
Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty cool.
Jack: The outside all surrounded by water, at least in one direction within the city. Natural collections of water, natural water distribution. Water canals that travel on top of having a bunch of locations just to go in water that doesn't taint their drinking water.
Cristina: That is crazy. That's so advanced and so cool to imagine.
Jack: So sophisticated. Yeah, it sounds so elegant. And then you consider everything has water. Everything is made. Marble and gold and shiny metals and gemstones on everything. And then you consider current day designs in India that definitely took inspiration from structures they've seen in the past. And you consider all of their walkways are white, all of the buildings are gold, silver with green, red and yellow stones on them. And the natural water resources everywhere. Beautiful city. Had to be such an astounding thing to look at.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So mind boggling now. Now we start getting into something a little more interesting. Transport infrastructure as we've described. They had roads and avenues. Some of them were pretty broad roads nevertheless, which allowed for easy travel. Reflecting on well planned transport networks within city, they also had harbors and docks. Because of their position as a cold SO city. Dwarka's advanced harbors and docks worked for ship docking, pointing to a lot of maritime infrastructure and integration. But it also suggested many, because of the size of the coast and the amount of infrastructure along the coast, that there were not only their ships taking off, but many, many, many receiving ports. Okay, so there was a lot of ocean trade.
Cristina: Yes, there is a lot of trade. That must be how they got material. If this whole, if the text is.
Jack: Correct now one of the only groups of people I could think about that they would trade. That would be. This level of technology would eventually be the Mayans. How would you. Who else are you trading with that could cross the ocean in such vast repetition? They would need equal technology or somewhere near you at least. And that's, you know, they can get from Mexico to travel the water to India. So there's likely a trade line in between those two points.
Cristina: Like the way they made up.
Jack: No, just for them to get to. From all the way in Mexico to the ports over here in India. And then from India, they were probably getting easily to ports in Maya.
Cristina: Yes. Maya has mad material, right?
Jack: They had man material. Yes.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But it's not even about the material. It's just about the fact that they, at some point, could have easily been trading with these people. So there's definitely connections. What's weird is the lack of mention. That's where it gets iffy.
Cristina: Who they were in contact with. Who are these friendlier foes?
Jack: No. Why didn't the Mayans mention these people? Why didn't anybody mention these people? Why do we have to look specifically at India? They clearly were trading with people.
Cristina: There has to be. Maybe they mentioned them as something else. Like the people. The sea people was the same way. Like there was a different word that we had to look into that was.
Jack: Oh, yeah, we found the Aletians much later.
Cristina: Yeah. They always mentioned them, but we just. It wasn't the right words that we were looking.
Jack: Yes. So it's completely possible that they were being described under a different term. Yes, I believe maybe among some of the texts that looked arbitrary and random to us. Again, perspective matters. A lot of the time we get informed, go back looking, we're like, oh.
Cristina: So we gotta do that. Okay.
Jack: I mean, we're gonna look at Maya anyways, because we already know that they had cities developed to transport people to the shadow realm and bring people from the shadow realm to live amongst.
Cristina: That's pretty crazy discovery. Yes.
Jack: So we still have. There's a lot in the text that was just not obvious.
Cristina: Yeah. Yeah, we got that way later on from anything else. That's the most recent thing.
Jack: Again, we already knew that they had portals, but we had no clue that this was just right in front of our face.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So it's possible they did mention trade with these individuals. But interesting, though.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: They also had some bridges over canals, which is just interesting. Some. A few of the canals had breaks over them, thin breaks, which, you know, suggested easy mobility for vehicles and things over it.
Cristina: And both like.
Jack: Yes, very Venice, Italy.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Now, diving into some of their defensive situations here. We know the city walls were heftily fortified and tall, which was obviously for protection of the city, showcasing defensive architecture to withstand attacks. These are the inner walls. It had nothing to do with the flood walls.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: The gates were fortified. Each entrance to the city was fortified, further enhancing their defensive capabilities. Watchtowers mentioned in text. And at each meeting point of the gaps leading to the gates, there are taller structures to either side.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Of where the gate would be. So where the gap exists to both sides of the gap in the wall.
Cristina: Some type of tower.
Jack: Some type of taller structure. That had to be a tower. Could have been decorative design. But presumably those are the towers they're talking about. Those are the towers are talking about. Which would help for ensuring surveillance, security and defense. I'm sure they were shooting right out of there. Something was a problem. And naval fortification, seaside defenses included potential underwater barriers, which we can see with the combination. This is a weird one. The flood walls that existed in full perimeter towards the water side, towards the coast were connected. This is the only part where they're connected to the wall surrounding the city. So there's two layer of walls. The smaller outer wall, which is for flooding, and the taller inner wall, which is for defense. Towards the coast. Those walls are connected with different beams and connect. It's a full different interesting structure that creates one giant. If we get attacked from the water, those people are more f***** than anybody could ever be f*****.
Cristina: They have protection for that.
Jack: That is a protection I'm talking about. The protection is that.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: If somebody attacked from the water, they have their defensive wall and their flood wall as one giant series of pillars. And it looked like they just had thousands at this point of watchtowers, all aiming towards the water.
Cristina: That is kind of crazy. But I mean, you have to do something like that. Yeah, I guess if you're that advanced and that's your weakest spot.
Jack: Yes. So this was obviously for. For naval protection. There must have been problems. Now diving purely into texts and what they suggest. Their technologies according just the text go the extra mile. This gives us a better hint as to what we're talking about here. Keep in mind we can prove most of what we've talked about. So we can assume the texts aren't bullshitting because we can prove almost everything. So when we dive into the technologies, we have to question. Holy s***. Did you just start bullshitting? But it's tied in equal parts with all the stuff we can prove now. They had advanced energy systems. So free clean energy harness from natural sources, which included water. That makes perfect sense.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Solar. Okay. Weirdly enough, cosmic. What does that mean the Egyptians technology where they go into space and transport crazy amounts of energy.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: It suggests they also had that they were maybe not as deep into space as the Egyptians were. All the way in the great Void. Literally creating an infinite amount of Dyson spheres to the point that we look up there and we just see darkness. But likely taking energy straight from not just solar, but rather sending things into the sun that weren't getting destroyed and bringing back mass amounts of plasmic energy. That's leaps and bounds of tech.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Just to accomplish something to gather energy like that. We are talking way more advanced than any other civilization without reaching the Egyptians and the Mayans. Definitely at least comparable to the Greek.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: They're at least tied with the Greek.
Cristina: The Greeks are the ones with the ones not once I forgot there was like pillars that helped gather energy. I can't remember if that was Greek or Egyptian.
Jack: That was Egyptian.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Egyptians had mastered energy. Okay, so that was the. Are you talking about. I forget what the obelisks.
Cristina: Yes. Did they have something like that as.
Jack: Well that there's no mention of it here.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: But they definitely. I'm assuming they must have had something comparable or something slightly more primitive. Again nobody's with the Egyptians when it came to energy.
Cristina: But plasma energy you said what?
Jack: That is still way more primitive than going across all of space and creating Dyson sphere that enclose multiple stars.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: At no point is this the mention of a Dyson sphere. At most they're sending something into a star to capture energy. A Dyson sphere would be so far ahead of sending something into a star that like this is primitive by comparison.
Cristina: Yeah. Okay.
Jack: Now it's still way more advanced than any city that exists today. This will s*** on any technology we have ever seen in person. Any technology anyone alive today has ever witnessed personally. This is way ahead of that. Still miles behind the Egyptians and the Egyptians were miles behind the Alicians, but still overpowered that is.
Cristina: Whoa.
Jack: Now here we get somewhere that we've not seen mentioned anywhere else. Flying vehicles referred to as vimanas. Vimanas. I don't know how I would say that. V I M A N a S Anti gravity and energy based flying machines capable of both local transportation and possibly inter regional and interstellar travel. Now we're elevating to getting closer to the Egyptians. Probably farther away from the Mayans. But we still don't have a true perspective on the Mayans because when we think about what we're talking about here, the Mayans technology would look closer to magic for us. While the Egyptians technology looks closer to our traditional sciences.
Cristina: Oh, science, yes.
Jack: So the Mayans are masters of crossing to the other side, while the Egyptians are masters of controlling things on this side. Two vastly different types of technology which as we found out with the Shadow. The Shadow gods. The crossing of technology is something important. Mixing of these two worlds matters. And there's zero mention of these Individuals having any connection to the Shadow realm.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: To this moment, there's not. And I guarantee you through the entirety of what we're going to talk about, there's not one mention. They seem very, very, very exaggeratedly on the side of earthrealm, but technology wise.
Cristina: Interesting.
Jack: While the Egyptians had shadow people and Alicians had shadow people, and the Mayans had shadow people, and the Greek had shadow people.
Cristina: No shadow people. I wonder if there's any mention of Maga. That usually helps.
Jack: I don't know who built the city. It's unclear who was leading, which people were involved or anything.
Cristina: No leaders mentioned. Whoa.
Jack: No one specific. Just breaking down the city specifically. Maybe at some point. I'll try to see if we can find names or something. But as far as we know, there's nothing. No. None of this technology at least connects to the Shadow Realm or even Alphan. Just straight up tech. Straight up Earth Realm tech.
Cristina: Whoa.
Jack: Advanced. They're specialists. Clearly specialists in Earth Realm.
Cristina: No help.
Jack: Don't know.
Cristina: As far as we can tell. That's crazy.
Jack: We don't know. We have no reference point to tell whether they did or did not. But we just know all of it seems to be earthrealm based. If they had people of Val Fame and people of the Shadow realm involved, even those individuals were entirely focused on earthrealm tech, because that's all we're saying. And I guess based on the difference of technologies between Maya and Egypt, we can assume that the Mayan and Egypt were equal just in totally different technologies. Which would mean that these individuals are catching up to the Egyptians and the Mayans. Based on the quality and complexity of.
Cristina: Their technologies, they gotta be equal. I don't know. They sound ridiculous.
Jack: Yeah. And we can assume that the Greek were also pretty up there. The Greek, the Mayan, the Egyptian, the Elysians, and now the people from India, from Dwarka, at least. Very interesting flying vehicles. We've seen this nowhere else. But if you got portals, you don't need to fly anywhere. You can just pop up places. So none of those individuals needed them? Them. These people don't seem to have portals.
Cristina: But what does a flying vehicle mean? Like, what is it made out of?
Jack: It's a machine. I don't know.
Cristina: It's a machine. It's crazy. I don't know. It's just hard to imagine.
Jack: Imagine a car.
Cristina: But would it even look like a car? Would it look like.
Jack: No, it would look like their version of car. It looked like their ancient primitive.
Cristina: Not primitive, but ancient descriptions of what this Flying vehicle looks like.
Jack: No.
Cristina: Wow.
Jack: They just what it could do. It was capable of vertical takeoff. It could travel interstellarly. Which is nuts as.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But we know there are people who could instantaneously cross the universe. So that's still primitive as compared to that technology. They did not have that sort of Egyptian teleportation tech that existed which probably wasn't even Egyptian to begin with. That was probably given to them by the Mayans who were the masters of creating portals and bridging gaps like that. Possibly it existed in the pyramids and the pyramids existed in both locations.
Jack: You know, that's the kind of thing that is like. Well, if you guys are sharing tech then that. That one probably came from this group of people.
Cristina: Yes, yes.
Jack: Knowing what they specialize in. They had advanced shipbuilding and maritime technology. So sophisticated ships, navigational tools, water defense ships, submarines for protection, trade and possibly automated. Nevertheless. So like no people are in there?
Cristina: No.
Jack: What they have AI navigating these ships.
Cristina: That's crazy.
Jack: This is in their text. Like this should just worked on its own. But again this is where we have to be like d***, bro. So scientists have to scientists looking through these ancient texts. I'd be like oh no. This is. This is a 100% just myth at this point. But it's like come on bro, we could do it. Why do we have to be the pinnacle always?
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: It's weird. Weaponry and defense systems Here we dive into weirder things. Okay. We have interstellar traveling. That's right. We have automation. So AI. So some of that leans into. When you think about what it would require. Right. To interstellar travel you need mass amounts of energy. But if you're going straight into the sun and acquiring energy, you have mass amounts of energy. High energy weapons that include laser rifles.
Cristina: Oh my God.
Jack: Laser missile technology. Precision destruction capable of energy dispersion higher than current day nuclear weaponry.
Cristina: How is.
Jack: How are what and defense shield and barriers probably energy powered.
Cristina: No way.
Jack: So they can in. Now here is where it becomes interesting. The outer wall is way shorter and thicker. The inner wall is taller and thinner. The side of the wall connecting facing the water connects to both walls connect. If you were to draw this out, you could easily flick a switch and a dome would farm over with support. Weird. The structure without having to read any of this bullshit would tell you you could easily form a dome around it. How out of all the s*** that's weirdly the closest one to being proven. A weird energy shield.
Cristina: An energy shield. How are they doing this, this is way too advanced. Now I'm questioning the city. Maybe they were gold, I don't know.
Jack: Yeah. As we get into their tech, it starts to kind of go into the deep end.
Cristina: That sounds ridiculous. Maybe they're mining in the sky. Like why do they have to trade?
Jack: I mean, once we establish that they could do interstellar travel and they could acquire energy from a star.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Acquiring pure materials from space becomes easy.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So you don't even have to go that far. You could just go to the first belt, start mining.
Cristina: That ridiculous. Okay.
Jack: The fact that they would have had to be able to exit our star system at all means the outer belt. Easy. You don't have to leave our star to get there. You just stay within our own solar system and you could mine the outer belt infinitely for all of infinity and.
Cristina: Have just infinite resources with this crazy advanced technology. They were letting people into their city. That's crazy.
Jack: Totally primitive people. But these people are going to come in. Nobody's going to hurt anybody. How I know he's going to come in for trade and whatever. The cities surrounding this location that are around today. And their historical records do suggest that although they weren't advanced, they had access to already existing advanced materials that they didn't have the ability to make. So they were going to places to shop for things they couldn't replicate. And these people weren't afraid to give to them because how the f*** are they gonna learn how to do it?
Cristina: They're not.
Jack: They could just come buy it from us and they'll always have to come buy it from us. For all of infinity they'll have to come buy it from us. Because they would never learn with their primitive s*** how to replicate it.
Cristina: That's crazy. There's no way they were like doing that with their ships or that.
Jack: No way.
Cristina: They were not using their technology.
Jack: They were just letting people come in and take the things that wouldn't be able to be used against them.
Cristina: Insane, insane technology.
Jack: Now when we revisit the automation and artificial intelligence, it makes way more sense that they definitely had access to all of these things. And it suggests that their automated systems were used to manage everything from city infrastructure to trade and defense. So AI could have been integrated to everything. What they had Internet?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: They had a stock market, likely. And that this would choose prices that made sense and allowed every outsiders to come and trade. Allowed civilized equally powerful civilizations to come and trade and primitive civilizations to come and trade in a fair way that it's all calculated and you don't have to.
Cristina: I have to believe that the Mayans and the Egyptians had this type of tech as well.
Jack: Well, we know they did. We know they had AI and we know that at least the Mayans did, which suggested the Egyptians and the Elysians did, since they were always sharing. The minds at least had the ability to store all this data.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Which required sorting through it, which would require something with the ability and capacity to run through it.
Cristina: So they all had some type form of Internet and AI.
Jack: Yep. Interesting. And the Internet would probably suggest how the libraries made it to these separate locations. The Sphinx and El Castillo.
Cristina: It makes sense.
Jack: They just needed a hard copy in case of s***. Which did happen. So the hard copy did pay off.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Interesting.
Cristina: Interesting. It's interesting that like Jesus knew about the technology too. I remember we learned that he just stuck to writing paper because it was more trustworthy than.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Using anything else.
Jack: Yes, yes, yes.
Cristina: He.
Jack: He did not trust. Using whatever current. And the fact it was. It sounded stupid at the time. Oh, he. And he found that writing was more effective at keeping secrets. And it's like, as compared to what?
Cristina: Dude, it has to be this.
Jack: It had to be this. He was trying to evade the modern mode of communication. Right? Now if we were trying to evade the government, we would do it by sending handwritten letters that would look like any normal male. Is how you would evade the technologies that are being surveilled by the governments of the world. That's exactly what he was doing.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Crazy Jesus was actively coming up. He was a rebel. And like, to the realest, most exaggerated. He was the rebel of rebels.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Yeah. He was the golden standard. Medical technologies. They had advanced health care. And here's where it gets a little weird. Genetic engineering capable. Capable of extending life, curing diseases and healing injuries instantaneously.
Cristina: How. I mean, I understand. But like all of them, they always. This always ends up. They all seem the same.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Once they reach a certain.
Jack: And it looks like when you think about it. Right. Who is super overpowered? All first world countries are first world countries and they're equally first world countries to some degree. Yes. Some are slightly better, some are slightly worse. But they're all First World countries.
Cristina: These ancient first world countries are all.
Jack: Yep.
Cristina: Like that.
Jack: They're all roughly equal. And yes, there's the one mega super like Russia, United States equivalent, which was the Alicians. Oh, we're all scared of you.
Cristina: Yeah, but. But everyone has their unique.
Jack: Yeah, but it's more or less there. Everybody's kind of on the cusp of the same thing. It's just again, we can think. The United States. Oh, they're strapped with nukes. There's the most dangero. I was like, all right, those were the Alicians. They had the most nukes. We'll just call it that. They had the most nukes.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And so people wanted to trade with them the most so that they're on their good graces, like the United States. And people wanted to, you know, always be on their happy side. The Elysians all feared to the point that if you're gonna talk s***, you're gonna talk s*** secretly, you're gonna come up with a different word. Sea people. The sea people. F*** them.
Cristina: F*** the sea people.
Jack: I hate them all. The Alicia.
Cristina: There has to be word. I can't wait to find what these people are called. Really or not really. We know their names, but what other people were calling them.
Jack: What other people calling them and what they were calling other people.
Cristina: Oh, okay, yeah.
Jack: Now, computing. How do we get to AI? Well, they. According to the texts, they don't use the following terms. This is what it would translate to if we were to assume what it meant, which is the ability to compute infinite information almost instantaneously. They must have had quantum computing. They must have had quantum computing. It's the only way for any of this we are talking about to be.
Cristina: Possible once we get to sun power. Like, okay, okay, you must, you must.
Jack: How are you building anyway? No, it's not a stretch. In fact, quantum computing would be primitive comparatively. You must have had past the. Out of that threshold long ago before.
Cristina: You're taking energy from this within the sun.
Jack: Like, okay, you need something that can process making a material that won't melt. Like how?
Cristina: Like how exactly? Yes.
Jack: It needs to withstand the pressure and heat of the sun and then somehow have thrust enough to pull itself out from that gravity.
Cristina: That technology is the true advanced technology. Like, what is that?
Jack: Yes, yes, but also, that's still way primitive than a Dyson sphere. Yes, because the Dyson sphere that isn't collapsing and falling into the star, you must have figured something out. An instantaneous transportation. Crazy. These was leaps and bounds so far ahead of what could be understood. But yeah, definitely quantum computing. They also had environmental control systems, so controlling the weather, obviously, and environmental conditions to manage heat flooding, even manipulating the climate in general to have the most ideal climate at all times. Now we get to scaling, right? Now we get to scaling. Yes, within text alone. There's no way to conclude or prove this any other f****** way than reading it. One Part of this very easy science wise and terminology wise, we can compare this to other civilizations, which is dimensional physics. Opening and closing portals. Now we've gotten to portals. They have the ability to open and close portals now it does not mention at any moment crossing a portal to another realm. It sort of looks like folding space onto itself. So warp technology that allows them to cross huge gaps of space in short time.
Cristina: That's how they're traveling to the sun.
Jack: That's how they're traveling to the sun. And probably entering the sun effortlessly. Maybe it's not even that kind of tech. Maybe it's not something going into the sun in the same way we think maybe they're folding the sun in a way that allows them to put something in there, extract energy and unfold it and be safe.
Cristina: That is ridiculous.
Jack: Weird.
Cristina: That is so, I guess, possible.
Jack: Yep.
Cristina: So if you have that tech now.
Jack: We can compare that to other civilizations and be like, yeah, okay, sure, whatever. The other side that is mentioned in sync with this, we don't necessarily have equal, which is time manipulation.
Cristina: Whaaat?
Jack: Potentially mastery over time dilation.
Cristina: What? What does that mean? How?
Jack: Well, the text suggests that they can manipulate time.
Cristina: And what?
Jack: I don't know, it doesn't specify. Just talks about that being among their technological capabilities.
Cristina: That's kind of insane.
Jack: Yeah, that puts them way up there, right next to the Aleutians. And based on how long ago this was made, maybe.
Cristina: But no one can wrestle time. I mean, besides the necromancers.
Jack: The necromancers, exactly. So we know of people who can. And if the Elysians had access to the necromancers without ever explicitly mentioning time manipulation, they had access to it, they just didn't mention it. But the necromancers did. And the necromancers could easily, almost effortlessly, and it wasn't a problem, it was an afterthought. And the Elysians had access to the necromancer.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So they had access to time. We just hadn't stumbled upon this before.
Cristina: So these people possibly did the same. Because without a necromancer.
Jack: Oh, right. How the f*** would you do it? Without a necromancer?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So they must have had a necromancer. But also, we know Jesus was fond of India.
Cristina: Yes. And we also know what's his name?
Jack: Hermes.
Cristina: Hermes likes to travel.
Jack: Yes. And Hermes was also fond of India.
Cristina: Oh crap.
Jack: And Hermes, although close to the Elysians, was a neutral party.
Cristina: Yes. Yes. So.
Jack: The homie, both the homies might have. They might have Traveled here.
Cristina: That's crazy.
Jack: Both the homies might have traveled and given tech or helped with developing tech. Teaching them, okay, you can't do what we do, but maybe we can make some technology that can, man.
Cristina: But, man, that's. That's too much. That's too much. That's more. I don't know. Time tech is just crazier than any type of tech there is.
Jack: Yes. I think it violates anybody f****** with you.
Cristina: Yeah. And yet they were f***** with. At least they had to be. Like.
Jack: Now. The question is, why isn't the city standing today?
Cristina: That is a good question. I want to know. Death friendly. I have guesses.
Jack: Go for it.
Cristina: I don't know. The Elysians didn't like what they were doing. They had to have enemies. Of course.
Jack: Other than the Elysians, what enemy could they possibly have that could do anything?
Cristina: If they weren't friends with the Shadow Realm people, maybe the Shadow Realm people didn't like them.
Jack: Who's gonna have the tech to f*** with us? Who in the Shadow Realm could possibly. We're talking. These people seem kind of ridiculous. Ridiculous.
Cristina: But they were taken down. Like, that's pretty. Like, whatever did do this, it's kind of crazy, whatever it is. It's very scary.
Jack: All right, so the likely possibility is obviously war and some kind of conflict. Now, trade rivalries. Dwarka's role as a major port city likely placed it at the center of competition for trade routes with other civilizations, which may have made it a target for civilizations seeking dominance over those Earths. In a geopolitical context, its strategic location and advanced infrastructure would make it a likely target for power struggles or military conflicts. But nobody surrounding them could have had the ability to f*** with them in any magnitude imaginable.
Cristina: So they could have taken themselves out.
Jack: Mentions of civilizations with equal or superior military power were perceived with the threat of invasion. This is mentioned within.
Cristina: Okay, so then someone else could have.
Jack: They mentioned equals. They were unclear about who those equals were, but there were people who they did fear.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Leaders of Dwarka had mentioned evacuation as a possibility to a large conflict with the rivals.
Cristina: That's how scary their rival was. They're like, let's just abandon everything.
Jack: Abandon.
Cristina: The most man city we have ever heard of was like, we just gotta get out. Yep, there's no solution here with this enemy.
Jack: Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.
Cristina: What is that? Scary from what? Everything you've mentioned. What could possibly be more scarier than that?
Jack: Now, this is where the environmental controls and those really advanced water pumps kick in preemptive sinking is loosely. In different texts. Not one piece says explicitly. But some will mention flooding the city, some will mention sinking the city. Some will mention creating storms to protect the city. Some mentioned evacuation of the city. All of that is one scenario. So the water management systems that the city had were quite advanced, as we know. They included the reservoirs. They included the canals and flood defense systems. This indicates that Dwarka could have easily controlled natural water flows. And it's possible that this was used to deliberately flood and sink the city, ensuring rivals wouldn't capture their technology. It was about.
Cristina: This was the runaway situation.
Jack: This was a runaway situation.
Cristina: What?
Jack: But this tells us something very, very, very, very interesting.
Cristina: This is the second time we saw something like this.
Jack: Yes, exactly. Now, it's not a matter of, oh, the Elysians blood. No, these people sank this before the Elysians did.
Cristina: The Alicians were scared of something. They ran.
Jack: These people were scared of something and they ran. They sank the thing trying to get rid of the potential of whatever other f****** s*** it was. And this is long before Jesus. Now, this was built around 9,000, but this city went down around 2,000 BCE.
Cristina: And when did the Elysians do it to their own city?
Jack: Year one, year one. Which would be 2,000 years after this.
Cristina: What is happening? What could be a threat like that?
Jack: What could be a threat that something as overpowered as Dwarka and Elysium.
Cristina: Like, they look like they got infinite amount of power.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: What is scarier than that?
Jack: Unstoppable forces of nature.
Cristina: God.
Jack: Tier. The Almost the highest level we can think of when it comes to the Kardashev scale. At least localized level 4. Without counting, you know, bending the literal fabric of space time in the universe. What the f*** could you be dealing with that these people also had the fear of something stronger and actively sank super ridiculously advanced technology trying to avoid it being captured by something stronger. Who could be the rivals? And who are these people who are still lurking 2000 years after this city sank and made the Elysians paranoid? So then the creation of Jesus was only trying to stop whatever the f*** that was.
Cristina: So you think there's something bigger than the Elysians? Okay, what? That is so crazy. What could possibly be this?
Jack: They needed Hermes and Jesus and it still wasn't enough to somehow deal with whatever this other thing is. Presumably these people are still also around somewhere so deep and hidden.
Cristina: I would think the. I guess the biggest option would be Mel.
Jack: I guess. But the weird problem is we can't get information on that.
Cristina: I know we can't, but, like, that's the biggest. Like, maybe she can delete things. I don't know. Maybe she could delete things from her program if we're just in her program.
Jack: Well, at this point, I'm not even sure if it's still a program. But, like, I don't. I don't know what any of this means anymore. And the fact that, like, who can f*** with these people? This is two different cities of the most advanced anything that has ever existed in all of. Anything that we have ever conceived that feared something more complicated. And even the they made at the very end was so overpowered that it would on the entire Jesus alone. Would. On the entire Elysian civilization and every bit of technology they've ever had. And still that wasn't enough.
Cristina: It's gotta be the fairies doing their thing. The fairies are so advanced and we never actually know what they're doing.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: And look, we just know they're safeguarding the program.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: This would make so much sense.
Jack: Yeah. The. It looks like the. The elves fail when we get to Jesus.
Cristina: Yes. But maybe not.
Jack: Maybe not. Maybe not. Maybe successfully breaking apart the group or how. Making them abandon their level of progress.
Cristina: Yes. Like, that's pretty.
Jack: That's.
Cristina: That's wild. Yeah.
Jack: Yeah. They're forcing these individuals to control. Alt. Delete.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: You know, they're just forcing them to delete their own.
Cristina: Yes. Because, like. Or you'll get deleted.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: You'll delete it. Or you get deleted.
Jack: Like something is going. It's you or it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And it's like. I don't know. Maybe.
Cristina: Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. Because it's just too advanced to imagine something. Like, what possibly could they fear besides, like, being wiped out?
Jack: Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. It's too. It's. It's incomprehensible that there would be an issue.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: So these people flooded their city.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Snapped it off the side, sank it.
Cristina: Into the ocean, and then covered it up.
Jack: Well, no time did that. They just f****** sent it into the ocean.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And time buried it. But it's like, leave it f****** down. Let's get the h*** out of here. They vacuumed the whole b****. They evacuated everything and just dipped. Crazy. So records. The earliest records of the city date back to 574, which mentioned previous records that got washed away and things that disappeared over time, dating its sinking to 1500s BCE. Somewhere between 15 and 1900s BCE, so about 2000 years before the Elysian sank their city.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And this kind of ties them to the beginning of other civilizations like the Indus Valley civilizations and whatnot that would then settle within the regions. I know. It's f****** weird, man.
Cristina: I think we have some. We're getting a picture of something at least. What could possibly be going on?
Jack: This puts the Elysians equal to the city of Dwarka. So that's two different cities, not countries. These are cities. Elysium at the bottom of the Persian Gulf oasis and Dwarka at the edge of India. Two highly advanced civilizations that just were.
Cristina: Taken down by themselves like nothing else.
Jack: Yeah. They themselves took. Sank their everything. And the mines ran away, the Mayans ran away. Probably to the Shadow Realm. Originally, we thought, because it didn't look like there was no trail. There was no trail outward. Our conclusion was they went underground, but they didn't need a trail outward if they just left the f****** realm.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Which would explain that. And the Egyptians were like, f*** Earth.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: There's a lot of evidence of that. They're just like, we made rockets. We made this, we made that. And dipped. F*** everything.
Cristina: No.
Jack: Something. But no, no, because. No, no, it's not. It's not the elves or. If it is, it's not. It can't be the system logic we applied to it before.
Cristina: Why?
Jack: Because the Elysians took as much tech as they could underground underwater, and the Mayan took a bunch of their tech too. We assumed underground, but likely to the Shadow Realm. And the Egyptians took their tech across the universe.
Cristina: Well, we don't have the proof of what tech they took. Like maybe it's safe tech that the fairies wouldn't be bothered by and they probably destroyed.
Jack: Take tech that allows you to cross the universe. You're talking quite advanced. You're talking the most advanced of the most advanced. Something that could withstand the pressure of the deepest part of the ocean, is the weight of Earth on top of you and it not collapsing. We're talking advance.
Cristina: So what's going on? I don't know. Interesting.
Jack: Minus the fact that we have no proof of the Greek running away. We don't actually know where those people might be at this moment. Minus that. That's four different examples, two of which are colossally overpowered. Way more overpowered than the other two, which are the Elysians and Dwarka.
Cristina: Destroyed their crap and ran away.
Jack: Yep.
Cristina: Weird.
Jack: So what is it that everybody was horrified of that was so colossal it was more important to dip everybody? Full mass evacuation. That's four full mass evacuations.
Cristina: What's that about? What's that about? I don't know. That's crazy.
Jack: Yep. So there you go.
Cristina: I wonder if we'll find out. But like, I hope we do. I doubt we will.
Jack: But like, slowly but surely, I guess it's just crazy. I don't even understand what could be this overpowered. But for all this data, anybody who's interested, all this is available online. All this is available in different series of books. I'll tell you the names of those books again. You can find the lost city of Dwarka. You could find marine archaeology of the Indian Ocean countries. You could find excavations of Dwarka. You could find the archaeology of Bet Dwarka. And you could find archaeological survey of India reports. All are heftily including all of this information. And you can go through it yourself, find which details matter. And all of this is, you know, you could cross reference it with other data that isn't within the books that are mentioned. You could find a lot of the original texts.
Cristina: That would be so insane. I just don't understand. It's ancient and advanced.
Jack: Just like the Elysians. Yeah. Yeah, just like the Elysians. That's crazy. And this is just one we're going to be going through. There are others.
Cristina: Whoa.
Jack: Yeah. So, yeah, if you guys want to talk to us about this, anything you find while looking at this, feel free.
Cristina: To see a connection that we're missing.
Jack: Yeah. Feel free to contact us on our socials at. Just convopod on X, on Facebook, on Instagram, on wherever the h*** you want to type. Just convo pod and we show up.
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Cristina: What? And this has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.
Jack: Sabbath.
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