Rambling 240: The Earth Gods
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What are the true goals of these global research teams? How did the Maya interact with the Egyptians? And how many of these groups exist? Continuing the trail of Elfame scientist Oros, the duo deep dive into the Maya people and discover details previously unknown to them. As they inch closer to the truth more questions arise leaving confusing breadcrumbs to follow. But with one new important piece of information, a door to a baffling new series of paths to follow opens.
+Episode Details
Topics Discussed:
- Spirit Gods
- Itzamna
- City Chichén Itzá
- Ix Chel
- Advanced Agricultural Development
- Cizin
- God of Death
- Ruler of the Shadow Realm
- El Castillo (The Castle)
- Alignment
- Portal to Qaf and The Shadow Realm
- Creating Life
- Data Storage Research
- The Paris Codex
- Energy Storage Research
- Dresden Codex
- Portal Research
- Madrid Codex
- The Sea People
- Jacawitz
- Secret Shadow Realm Research Team
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+Transcript
Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in five, four.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.
Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.
Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd, baffling ideas. And as of in Fate Infinity. It seems now we've been following this weird, unraveling narrative about the sea people, the Shadow Realm. Now Elfame is included, Adrenochrome, and a series of other events that seem to all coincide and exist together, including Jesus.
Cristina: Christ, Jesus, aliens, etc.
Jack: Etc. Etc. So when we discovered Elfhame, which is essentially the magic realm, one of the three realms, all the other realms really collapse into the three realms, which are the Shadow Realm, Earthrealm, and Elfame. Although it seems like in Greek mythology there's nine, In Norse mythology, there's nine. In Christian mythology, there's three. Three. But it doesn't seem the same three. The three kind of exist. They're spoken of the way that all of they only address three that seem to all be part of the Earth Realm, and then the Shadow realm briefly as Limbo. So kind of almost everywhere they leave out Alfame, which is the actual third realm. They discuss a number of other things as though their realms, but they're not. Anyways, in Elfame, it seems that the God of gods is made, as we have established the God named Mab, which is again, we use gods as a terminology that simply shows up in texts and documents. But at this point we've established that seemingly everything is advanced civilizations of the past and a crap ton of science. Yes, science that looks different depending where they do it. And it looks magical because of the leaps and bounds from everyone around them.
Cristina: It's actually magic.
Jack: It doesn't mean it's actually.
Cristina: We just don't get it.
Jack: Exactly, exactly. The best way to describe it is sciences from different physics. Yes, it's the best way to put it. So one of the things that we came across was the quote, God Oros, created by a bigger God, AKA scientist. So a science. I'm assuming Oros is some sort of homunculus or artificial life form, a lot like an Android or something along those things. But it could have been the first successful. Whatever everybody else is trying to do.
Cristina: Yes, the goal, whatever that goal is. Okay.
Jack: And Oros makes what is what we refer to as Sanaga, which is a serpent race, sort of artificial serpent race. And last week we traced Oros to see where it would take us if we tried to like cross reference Oros, his creations, and what we already know is involved in this bigger narrative. Right, because we know Elfin created Oros and told Oros to send his creations, one each, to the most technologically advanced civilizations across the realms.
Cristina: Shirsi is not related to us. Like, she didn't make us and leave us to go over there or anything like that.
Jack: There's no way to know. We don't know anything about Mab.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Other than she.
Cristina: She has made those things that are in that other.
Jack: Yeah, exactly. We don't know anything other than that. And that she made the three goddesses that are probably the creators of life across the other two realms.
Cristina: Okay. They're responsible.
Jack: I think they're the gods, quote unquote, that have made the life that exists in the other two realms.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And probably that just. I think we should stop saying gods and establish that they are scientists. These are a bunch of scientists and magnitudes that we don't understand. The easiest way to understand it would be to go back to an episode called the Kardashev scale, which explains giant magnitudes of power that exists simply scientifically, starting at us. We're not even magnitude 1. Magnitude 1 uses the entire power of a planet. Magnitude 2 uses the entire power of a star. Magnitude 3 uses the entire power of several stars. Magnitude 4 uses galaxies, magnitude 5, several galaxies, so on and so forth, until you have the power to control entire universes, multiverses, so on and so forth.
Cristina: Ridiculous. So we don't know where she is.
Jack: She must be bare minimum, beyond the point of a universe. It must be that level of advance. And this is assuming. This would lead us to assume that she is just one of many and that, like, that's the only reference we can understand of her. But there's. There has to be stuff over her. She might just be one scientist, okay? But the level of power we're discussing is incomprehensible to us.
Cristina: But all we know is she is the top, from what we've gathered.
Jack: Yeah, exactly. She's the top of. At least from our perspective. We don't know. And it's probably not. She's probably not.
Cristina: No.
Jack: Everything is fractal. Everything is the same all the way up, everything is the same all the way down. And so if we follow her, this should play out that way. Anyways, last week we were talking and we found, cross referencing Oros, we could successfully track the Egyptians and the entire lineage. We found the serpent that was sent there, the Naga that was sent there by Oros, which Was Wadjet one of them.
Cristina: And we found that Shadow people working with them.
Jack: We saw the Shadow people were working with them. That the Shadow people also had a Naga. That was their complicated name. I don't remember it and. Or kind of remember it. I saw it was. I'm not gonna try to pronounce. But anyways, Ra, the leader of the group, and Adam, another leader of a group they have. They create a team of researchers that are presumably all the way in the Great Void right now. The Great Void in space.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Because they made teleportation technology and the ability to control immense energy and store immense energy.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So there was another group of people that seem to be very, very, very, very, very involved with the Sea People as well, and had identical records stored with them. Now, we didn't know what the point of these or how. How primarily. And we. The point of going through Oros and his children is to find all the connecting links. All the most powerful civilizations, of which there are a bunch. But a lot of them are insignificant in power by comparison, even if they're highly advanced compared to normal people.
Cristina: And we weren't sure whether they were enemies or friends or what was going on. And it seems like who the Naga, whether it was the fairy people or the Shadow people or humans like their relationships to each other. But with the Egyptians, it looked like.
Jack: Everyone was working together, at least in that case. Yes.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: At least in that scenario. We had a good example of the research team called the Shad, the Sun Gods, working together. And this was a coalition of creatures from Elf fame in the form of the Naga, creatures from the Shadow Realm and creatures from Earth Realm and the Sea People, which are from EarthRealm. But we got to discuss them separately.
Cristina: Yes, because they seem human or they are, but they're not.
Jack: Doesn't matter if they're human or not. Yes, because not everything we're discussing is even necessarily human. We have no idea if any of the creatures from earthrealm are necessarily human. We just know they're from earthrealm and way advanced. It could be a different lineage of some intelligent life form. But the Sea People have to be discussed separately because of the leap of technology from the next best thing. They're so far out there. But last week's episode was the Sun Gods, and it was establishing that. That, yes, there is a team of people across all three realms kind of working together for some unknown purpose. And it seems like we're closing in on something like they're trying to get to. We already know that Jesus was most likely made to try to get into Alfame. We know that Joseph was made probably to try to get there. And with the information we got last.
Cristina: Week, someone betrayed the group.
Jack: Yes, but it seems that they were also trying to build enough energy. Yes, and a teleportation device. And they have all the things needed to make Jesus in the first place. And all of this seemed to be aiming in that direction. So as far as we know, getting into Alfame seems to be the primary goal of everybody.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So allow us to introduce today's episode, the Earth Gods.
Cristina: Huh?
Jack: Now, following Oros, there was a second group of people who were as connected as the Egyptians. That would be the Maya.
Cristina: The Maya.
Jack: But the Maya are all the way in Guatemala, the border of Mexico, way over there. How are they even connected?
Cristina: How?
Jack: So we follow Oros and we cross reference Oros and the Maya. Let us begin. Oros had one child that he named Kukulkan. And Kokulkan is a Naga. Like we have seen a pattern of a feathered serpent. This has been showing everywhere.
Cristina: Yes. Now, wait, but this is his only son. What are the other things?
Jack: I didn't say that's his only son. He said he had a son.
Cristina: Oh, for some reason, I thought you said only like what?
Jack: Okay, this is one of his children.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So, yeah, named Kukulkan. And Kukulkan is a serpent like the rest of them. A feathered serpent like the rest of them. We call them children. They're probably just his experiments. For all we know, using his DNA or whatever it is he has. Anyways, so he goes to the Maya, this advanced developing civilization, and he goes to side with. Now it's we before we knew they went to help civilizations. As we dug deeper, we found out that they seem to almost be assigned to individuals.
Cristina: Yeah, right.
Jack: They seem to assign to individuals. And not even assigned. They just go to whoever's the leader of whatever most advanced civilization.
Cristina: Dude, I was like, I'm gonna be the leader.
Jack: Yeah, he told the abandoned post. But Kakul Ken goes and joins the Mayan leader, called it Zamna and Itzamna again. Mayan leader is very similar in a lot of ways. Tara, the scientist of some scientist astronomer. He developed the Mayan written language and the Mayan calendar.
Cristina: Okay, okay.
Jack: And he established herbal medicine for the Mayan people and the city of Chichen Itza. Okay, so this is a very important man. Very scientifically inclined, very powerful, very resourceful, very useful. Of course, Kukulkan would go to his side to assist him in developing this civilization with the beginning of the city Chichen Itza. So this is one of the largest cities, if not the largest city, depending where you're looking from or what sources you're looking at, is the largest city in the Mayan Empire.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And Itzamna, again, the most interesting two details here are that he created the written language and the calendar, but is simultaneously an astronomer and a scientist. The this goes perfect the astronomy and science with the creation of a calendar. He's watching the stars and understanding how that breaks apart. Where it gets weird is the fact that he was also a capable of understanding medicine to such a degree. They created herbal medicine for the Mayans, and he created written language. This will later be very useful. Now this immediately becomes a very, very, very familiar scene.
Cristina: How so?
Jack: It's important to know that the Mayan people call many of their highest leaders spirit gods. They weren't just gods, as we know. All the scientists often are the ones labeled like the most powerful civilizations with the most powerful individuals are often called gods because there's a huge gap of division between them and the people that they keep out of their work. And at this point, I think words of the past God just meant scientists at this point, perhaps through time, the word God became scientists, which applies with how we look at things. Yeah, because science tries to tell us how the universe began the same way God tries to tell us how the universe began. There's a lot of similarities here. So I'm thinking as we see this over and over and over, it seems more and more likely that the word God in every instance translates to scientist. But something that kept showing up in these mythological researches and writings was spirit gods. Just gods that you would assume is already some sort of spiritual being. No, they made it very important to say spirit God in particular. And let me establish that Itzamna, the most important of them, was not a spirit God. He was just a God.
Cristina: I felt the spirit God underneath him or above him.
Jack: No, he's the highest, most important person.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And he's one of several. He's just the most important one. And they're not necessarily all called spirit gods. Only some of them are. I found this very interesting and very confusing. I had no reference point as to what they meant with the word spirit specifically until I dug a little deeper. Now let us bring into the picture. It's Amna's wife. Her name is Ixchel. Okay. This is immediately gonna answer so much. Ixchal is again the wife of Izamna, called by the people A spirit manifested from suffering.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Which remained on earth for a spirit manifested from suffering.
Cristina: What a horrible description. What?
Jack: No, it's not. It's a description we've heard a million times.
Cristina: Is it Jesus. I don't know. What? What is this description?
Jack: There is no way in h*** you're not connecting this most obvious of all dots.
Cristina: A spirit that.
Jack: A spirit that manifested through suffering.
Cristina: I don't know. Wow.
Jack: I might just wait until you connect the dots. I don't even understand how this is not clicking.
Cristina: What do you mean? How is it so obvious? A spirit? I don't know. She a banshee? I don't know.
Jack: What is a banshee?
Cristina: A fairy. A fairy. Right. Okay, so she's a fairy.
Jack: A banshee isn't a fairy.
Cristina: How are you?
Jack: How can you think fairy and still not even think of the Shadow Realm? And how everything over there shows up because of suffering? What?
Cristina: I thought Banshee was a fairy. And I thought fairies did come from the Shadow Realm, but they don't.
Jack: They come from Elfame.
Cristina: Okay, yes. No, I thought, like, from some of them came from the Shadow Realm. Not all of them.
Jack: I know there's no fairy comes from the Shadow Realm.
Cristina: But the banshee I thought was also a fairy. Yes.
Jack: This is before we had a bunch of information that elaborated on differences between creatures.
Cristina: Okay, but they're not fairies whatsoever.
Jack: I mean, a banshee might be a fairy. I don't know. But the point is, the Ix shell came with suffering.
Cristina: Yes, yes, yes. Okay. Shadow Realm creature.
Jack: Like everything in the Shadow Realm that has ever shown up on this side without there being a gate, it happened because of suffering. Sacrifices, fear. Which is suffering.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: How the h*** was that not just obvious as h***? We've been talking about this for like three years straight.
Cristina: She's a human. She's not.
Jack: I never said that specifically. Said a spirit manifested from suffering.
Cristina: But the guy is human.
Jack: I don't know. I also began by saying that we don't know that any of these scientists are necessarily human. Oh, just because Earth Realm does not mean human.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: That is. I don't know what your inclination to connect humans.
Cristina: Because I thought he was a Mayan.
Jack: That doesn't mean he's human. The Mayan people who were left behind were human. But what are these? Why are there people way more advanced? There are Egyptians who are human now. But what the h*** happened to the great powerful Egyptians that were there first? Were they human who abandoned humanity? Or were there something else? We don't know.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: They are. We have no idea what these things are. They could have been human, but we do not know. We don't know. I have no idea how the h*** you weren't connect. I'm sure every listener who has followed up to now was screaming it. Because it's obviously a creature from the Shadow Realm. Obviously. There's nothing else. This could have been a spirit manifested from suffering. Nothing else. It could have been. We have not.
Cristina: She sounds like one of those ladies that were ghosts. I don't know which came from where, I don't remember.
Jack: 100 it was the shadow realm now.
Cristina: But I. I confused them with elves. I don't know.
Jack: Elves are. They could just move through their actual fairies just move through effortlessly. The fact that she needed a catalyst should have been the answer. Anyways. That sad, sad lapse of dot connecting aside, Ixchel has an unnamed serpent coiled on as a hair, as a headdress.
Cristina: Interesting. She has a snake too.
Jack: Yeah, it's unnamed and only speaks to Ixcho.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: No one has ever heard it speak, but they see her speaking to it and it responding, but they don't hear it. It's like whispering to her. And she's talking back to it. Yeah, they just know it communicates only with her. Unknown why, but she had her own.
Cristina: So it might be one of those Magas, whatever they call Maguas Naga.
Jack: It's definitely a Naga.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But now we have a very similar situation to the Sun Gods where Adam had his own serpent and so did Ra, and they were both part of the same group. So the Sun Gods had two. And here we are with the Earth Gods and they have two.
Cristina: Yes, and one of them in the other place was a Shadow realm. First scientist like this place, Adam. Yeah. So it's. It's mirroring in that way too.
Jack: Yes. The Ixchel comes and. Well, actually a few of them in the research team of the Sun Gods came from the Shadow Realm. I believe it was three. It was Adam and two more, I think.
Cristina: So it could be something like that in this party as well.
Jack: Could 100% be. Yeah. So things about Ixchel that matter. Not only is she the wife of Itzamna, which means he married a creature from the Shadow Realm. Which puts us even closer than just.
Cristina: It was hard to understand that she was a creature because like, you don't hear stories of people marrying shadow realm.
Jack: No, this is the first point exactly.
Cristina: That doesn't sound right.
Jack: But everything else about it should have. Had I started the other way around, he would have been like, okay, it's a creature from the shadow.
Cristina: Yeah. So saying he was married to her or she was his wife, like that seems like a normal person that's described as a ghost or something.
Jack: Doesn't say they had children of any sort though. Which because they probably couldn't mate.
Cristina: Yes, makes sense.
Jack: Yeah. Now very interesting detail here. It doesn't seem that they're equals even if she is his wife, because something that showed up repeatedly is that she was the assistant of Izamna, almost equal to Kukulkin.
Cristina: Which one's Kukulkin?
Jack: His serpent. His mother.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Now what were her duties? That becomes very interesting. Settling. She was a biologist, she was a botanist. And she single handedly advanced and developed the agricultural development of the Maya.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So between the two of them, they successfully turned the Maya empire into the colossal, monstrously large empire, most likely the largest civilization before modern day that existed. Yeah, and that's keeping in mind that the Sea people civilization wasn't even large as compared to a lot of these civilizations. It might have actually been the smallest.
Cristina: How do we know that?
Jack: Because of how small and focused all of their work was. The Maya was colossal. Egyptians. That was huge. I mean nowhere near the size of the Maya. That s***'s big as f***. But it was still big as f***. While at least while in the Persian Gulf oasis. That was small. The Palos Rakaras is small. Like it's not like literally the size of a city. Maybe smaller. Oh, less than New York. Manhattan, not state Manhattan, smaller.
Cristina: How big of the Mayan location?
Jack: All of Guatemala, some of Mexico.
Cristina: Oh, okay, yeah.
Jack: Size of countries. Okay, well casual. Casual like size difference is colossal. It's like why the. I guess the focus of the sea people is exaggerated. But also they were very private. But not at the beginning. They shared stuff, but they're. Except their home.
Cristina: Except their home.
Jack: Important detail. They shared everything except their home. To the point the rest of the Persians felt alienated from them. Interesting, right?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So even while they were sharing, they were so private. So yeah, they developed this huge, colossal, monstrous sized civilization. Now enter the last member of the Earth gods sizen.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: As referred to by the people of Maya, a spirit allured by death.
Cristina: Another shadow realm creature.
Jack: The shadow realm creature, referred to specifically as the God of death. Now interesting things about this guy according to the Maya seemed capable of suddenly appearing where tragedies and death occurred.
Cristina: Did they say what he was doing around the area? He just happens to be there.
Jack: Whatever, hanging out, whatever shadow people do. None of that matters because the next next Bullet point makes him maybe the most important thing we've heard of so far. Which makes him more important than Autumn, who created an entire successful civilization in the Shadow Realm. More important than Jehovah of the Dark, which seems to be the big issue.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: More important than the creatures we've seen come from over there that aren't evil, sadistic monsters. Specifically, how they refer to it is that he was the ruler of the underworld.
Cristina: That's different.
Jack: This individual might be the most powerful individual to have come from the Shadow Realm.
Cristina: The top of the food chain hanging out there.
Jack: Interesting, though.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Now, descriptions of him. There's not a lot of descriptions of the others. There's a lot of descriptions. They were very. He left an impression. He dresses with the decomposed bodies of those he ate to become leader in the underworld.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.
Jack: Is sustained. Oh, man. This is the most important part, I suppose, because he doesn't seem to just be able to stay over here. Somehow Ixchell and Autumn and these creatures manage to stay over here. This guy seems. Maybe he is literally part of the Shadow Realm because of this. Next line. Is sustained in the overworld Earth Realm with regular ritual human sacrifices.
Cristina: Sounds right. Okay. That sounds really dangerous to have around you. I don't get it.
Jack: Yep.
Cristina: This confuses me.
Jack: He's not killing them. People are offering sacrifices to him.
Cristina: This is so Shadow Realm adrenochrome.
Jack: This is way in there.
Cristina: This seems like the opposite of what the sea people would be interested in.
Jack: They're not working with them. As far as we have discussed.
Cristina: Like from what we knew in the past, from other things. We thought the Mayans were getting their signs and stuff from the sea people, like the Egyptians. Well, but now maybe not. I don't know.
Jack: Again, he's not sacrificing anybody himself. If he was out there murdering, I'm sure that would be against it. But if the idea is that this guy is very useful for us and the people have agreed we rather have them than not. Nobody's forcing anybody. Again, it's sacrifices he is not murdering. They are offering.
Cristina: That's crazy.
Jack: Specifically, ritual human sacrifice. The humans are offering it to him. And they do it discreetly at his command, which then changes what we think of them because. Yeah. Human sacrifice. Oh, how horrible. But he doesn't want it visible. So it's not fear, it's the blood that's keeping him around.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: He has him toss the sacrifices into a well called Cenote, and then he goes in the well and he does his thing. Okay, he doesn't seem to be a Djinn. Ixchell seems to be a Djinn. Autumn seems to be a Djinn. This guy is a creature that isn't a Djinn because he does need the blood.
Cristina: He still sounds like some type of Shadow Realm creature.
Jack: No, he's a Shadow Realm creature for sure, but not a Djinn. He's some other thing. Now we have our team. We have our team of the Earth gods. Sizen ishell. It's Zamna and the two serpents. The unnamed serpent and Kakulkan. What were they doing?
Cristina: What were they doing?
Jack: Let us begin with El Castillo translates to the castle. The castle is a temple, Itzamna, built to the specifications of Ixchel and Kakulkan, that's his serpent and his wife working together. And they came up with this formula, this structure, this something. And basically, during the spring and autumn equinox, an alignment of the sun, the earth, the castle, and the castle stairs and the moon all happen.
Cristina: That's pretty cool.
Jack: Interesting happens to this day. And most interesting about it is when this happens, a rift opens on the stairs. For one day, twice a year, a rift opens on the stairs and you no longer can enter the temple. You cross the rift when you go up the stairs.
Cristina: Where's the rift leading to? Is it the shadow realm? Is it some other thing?
Jack: The rift would open along the steps of El Castillo during the spring. The rift would lead to a land they named Kaf.
Cristina: Is it a mountain? Is it on top of a mountain? I'm so curious.
Jack: It doesn't say, but we know it is.
Cristina: It takes them to the mountain, and the mountain has a transporter.
Jack: But that doesn't mean none of this is the point. It is literally the mountain.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Which means they have a way to get directly in front of the Egyptians and directly in front of the sea people. And they both have a way to get to the Mayans once a year.
Cristina: Yes, during the spring equinox.
Jack: During the autumn equinox, the rift would lead to the underworld.
Cristina: Okay, that makes sense, I guess.
Jack: To the shadow realm.
Cristina: Yes, but anyone could go in there. What?
Jack: El Castillo is where the sea people have stored a copy of the scientific data shared with the Maya. That is the same place that has all the same writings that we see in the Sphinx. Under the Sphinx, they share the data. That's the data that they claim on their walls that says, okay, we have a storage by the sea people. And it is all the information and scientific advancements they have provided for us under El Castillo. And under the Sphinx. Those are the two locations that have exactly the same data as said, exactly the same way. And two completely different civilizations that are.
Cristina: Complet separated by talking about the sea.
Jack: People, talking about the sea people and being given information by the sea people. They say that the sea people gave them data and that it's stored there. That is El Castillo. So when I found that, that's where I found it from the original time, although I never paid attention to the name because it was relevant. But now we know the name is El Castillo. Okay, so that's just an important bit of detail that answers a couple of things. How they get to each other.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: How the Egyptians and the Maya have the same data. Now we know an access point, Mount Kaf, as important as Mount Athos. In fact, it's possible that Mount Athos is the current day Mount Kaf.
Cristina: Mount Kaf is the one that disappeared.
Jack: It's the one that disappeared.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Around the time that Mount Athos came to use Coenkabink.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Now the Earth Gods research. The Mayan people dubbed these gods the Earth Gods because of their primary focus. I did not name them the Earth Gods. This was a coincidence that happens to line up with the Egyptians calling their scientists the Sun Gods.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: The Sun Gods were working on energy, immense amounts of energy. Like the sun?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And teleportation to somewhere far above. Like the sun?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Okay, so the Earth Gods got their name relative to their work as well. Can you guess what they were doing? Probably not. But what's your best shot?
Cristina: Besides like the medicine that you mentioned? I don't know.
Jack: Makes total sense, right?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And botany and biology. It all has to do with life so far.
Cristina: Yeah. Are they trying to live forever?
Jack: No, because there is also a pattern we should be following. Let us dive in. The primary focus of the Earth Gods, dubbed by the Mayan people. Their major goal was to create sentient life using the genetics of crops. It gets better when we dive deeper. According to Ixchel, the reason that it was important for her research to continue in earthrealm, or the Overworld as they call it, is because Earth had properties which allowed for imitation magic.
Cristina: Earth.
Jack: Earth. The sciences of Earth have a way of imitating magic.
Cristina: Okay, okay. That makes sense. Okay. What?
Jack: Something about biology.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Biology doesn't exist in the shadow realm. Biology doesn't exist in Alphaen. Biology is specifically an earthrealm feature. There's the other sciences. But why the f*** are there so many sciences in earthrealm, one of which is biology.
Cristina: What is happening? Okay.
Jack: Creatures in the Shadow Realm aren't born. They manifest and then they persist. Creatures in Elfame don't seem to be born as far as we know. They're created.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And then they persist. But over here it's self producing.
Cristina: Which I think has to relate with the one thing we have that they don't have. These other places. The thing that the sea people have.
Jack: The fruits.
Cristina: The fruits. I think it started not with the fruits. Adam and Eve.
Jack: With Adam at least.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: The ability to create in a way that perpetuates itself.
Cristina: Yes, that's what's the important thing. Interesting, because we can't even prove the sea people can do that. Oh, wait. But.
Jack: Well, when we look at other civilizations, even if they're from Earth Realm, we look at like the Greek, we look at the. The Norse. They didn't have the ability to create life that can self perpetuate. They could create life that just. It sustains itself. It can stay there, but it won't make more life. Only the sea people seem to have what we call Adam and Eve. Which led to what we consider humans that seem to kind of move forward.
Cristina: Yes. And all the animals and etc.
Jack: Everything. Everything similar to magic. It could just make more stuff.
Cristina: Yeah, just more stuff happens.
Jack: Doesn't require catalysts, just more stuff happens. Interesting. Imitation magic combined with earthrealm sciences could result in advanced sentient life is the idea. They bring their sciences, they use earth sciences and they use this element. Whatever caused things to go from not alive to alive, whatever the that is. Yeah, I think that's the fixation. I think that's a fixation. Whatever the difference between a cell and a virus is if a virus is dead and a cell is alive, whatever the f*** is happening between those two points. That's the fixation. Before cells were cells. That's a fixation. What made cells living cells? That's fixation. Whatever the f*** is happening there. Fascinating. Alright.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: According to Sizen, the djinn in the Shadow Realm can feel the energy from the earthrealm sciences.
Cristina: What does that mean?
Jack: The biology of earthrealm allowed natural passage between realms.
Cristina: What? What?
Jack: Think about it.
Cristina: We're attracting those things.
Jack: No, the biology of earthrealm allowed for natural passage through the realms. We know this because of adrenochrome. It alters your biology. And then you can somehow just go there when you die. And something that seems to be very biological fear allows them to come from over there. Over here.
Cristina: Okay, so it had to have started here to there. Yeah.
Jack: There's some Natural magic element that shouldn't exist in earthrealm. Yes, that does. Without anybody doing anything. Without anybody doing anything. You could just go scared the s*** out of somebody, drink their blood. Now you get passage into the shadow realm. And in the time that they're scared, Shadow realm creatures can just come into the. Something is just wrong here that shouldn't have happened. Something that shouldn't exist over here because the realms were different. It's the realm of physics, it's the realm of magic, and it's the realm of power. And somehow we also have a little bit of magic.
Cristina: Yes. I don't think we did, but. Okay.
Jack: Weird, right?
Cristina: Yes. But we're the unique.
Jack: Something about biology.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It was magical.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And it shouldn't be. But it might have something to do with the sea people.
Cristina: Yes, for sure.
Jack: Adam and Eve.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Chances are, before they tampered, there wasn't. But also, how were their plans if that's biological? There's some part of this picture that isn't clicking because they were around 2.5 million years ago. But there's crap way before them that was all biological.
Jack: And that was all reproducing.
Cristina: But that didn't attract these things. I think it took one of them. So fear.
Jack: They didn't have fear. They didn't have adrenaline. They didn't have blood. No. All that was still there.
Cristina: I don't know. But the sea people.
Jack: No. Everything that was here before.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: All the things that were here for millions.
Cristina: Their fear maybe is not as strong as our fear.
Jack: I think there's some. Because that means it was. That this realm has always had magic infused. That means it didn't require the sea people. Anybody would have stumbled upon it. I think somehow somebody added something.
Cristina: Somebody added something.
Jack: Yes. So I don't think it necessarily has to do with the fear or it necessarily has to do with the adrenochrome. I think we figured something out with that, but. Or if it does, the sea people and Adam and Eve have nothing to do with it existing on this end. I guess that's what I'm trying to get to. They're just trying to replicate it or figure it out, understand why it exists on this end. And they're using Adam and Eve to do it. Which means throughout all of history, through all of time, through all the existence of all that has ever been in Earth Realm, there has been that little dose of magic. Interesting enough, if we look at. Just looking at physics, there should be, when the universe is created, an equal amount of matter and antimatter an equal amount of energy, equal distribution. But we know factually, we know factually, something happened and it was just slightly uneven. And then that allowed stars to form and that allowed planets to happen. That allowed. Because there was an unevenness. And that unevenness allowed everything to happen. That unevenness might be that little bit of magic that shouldn't have been here. Which means since the beginning of time, when this realm was created, was something off. It had nothing to do with the sea people. The sea people are trying to capitalize on it. They're trying to figure it out. It might be the closest to figuring it out. But they didn't make humanity. No, Adam and Eve didn't make humanity. We evolved naturally.
Cristina: Okay?
Jack: That's why science and religion conflict so hard. Because religion trying to tell us, oh, Adam and Eve made you. But it's like, whatever, our ancestors are clearly around way before that moment.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So there's something about this realm that has always been a little messed up.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And the sea people are just the first to figure it out. And although Elfhame should be the center, Shadow realm and Earth realm being to its sides or below it, you could say in a triangular form where the tip is Elfame, and the two bottom points are the shadow realm and Earth realm. Instead, a line formed, and Elfame seems to have created Shadow realm below it, but Earth realm above it. And that's where the fear then comes in. How are the shadow people stopping magic? You're stronger than the magic. How are the not the shadow people? How are the sea people stopping the magic? How are the sea people creating things like Jesus? How is that same technology surviving the test of time and making it till the Jews can create something like Joseph? You send your most powerful creatures out there, the elves, to stop the cap. And these guys are just like, nah, nah, nah, f*** that, F*** that. You can't interact with us. We're too good. So something happened in creating earthrealm where Mab messed up.
Cristina: Well, not Mab, because she made things that made us.
Jack: Fair enough, but I think she made the realms, and then those things made the life.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: But if we were to say it's just the life, that would be one thing. But the way the universe formed proves that it exists. Ingrained in all that is EarthRealm. There's some. Some feature about EarthRealm that is really exaggerated in some way we don't understand.
Cristina: No, but now we know it's our magic, well, we'll see something similar to magic.
Jack: At least it has the same effects as magic. Because without any science, without any magic, without any power, just adrenochrome, just something that runs in our veins, we can gain passage into the shadow realm just with our emotions. We can grant passage into our realm. Yeah, overpowered. Overpowered, that is.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Alternatively, it might be a human feature because it doesn't seem to have been mentioned in any other magnitude.
Cristina: Yeah, we don't know if the sea people can do anything like that either.
Jack: But then we do know that the butterflies had the same effect. Yes, we know animal sacrifices could bring. Yes, we could drink and cross over in small magnitudes. And with little bits of fear we can bring things over. So animals have it too.
Cristina: Animals do have it. I don't know if the sea people have it because as far as we.
Jack: Can go, yeah, we don't know if you're human, but animals aren't human.
Cristina: Aren't human. But they can still have it.
Jack: They can still have it. So we don't know if the sea people are even biologic in the way we are.
Cristina: Yeah, I guess that's. I don't know.
Jack: Yeah, it's getting weird, right?
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Wow. It's crazy because with little effort and intervention, natural earth energy somehow affect the shadow realm. Casual. Just something we can do. Yeah, it's weird because every narrative in the universe says what humans are. The unique thing. Even look at Star Trek. It's like, why is the rest of the universe bending to the will of the Federation? Well, there's something about humans, it's just not.
Cristina: It's not just humans because it is animals too. It's biology.
Jack: Biology. Well now that wasn't their only focus though. Although it falls in line with the focus of the sun gods and the focus of the sea people, which is to make life. The sea people are being helped by the energies of the sun gods. And these people are out here doing their own thing. But they do eventually leave the need to make that life because of their secondary focus becoming their primary focus. Their secondary focuses. And this will explain where what they were doing when we stumbled upon them.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Their secondary focus was storing large sums of data. A large portion of the research and experiments performed were entirely focused on storing great sums of data. Huge, huge sums. And it'll make way more sense as we talk about the three codexes. The Paris Codex as it is known right now, is a document which contains a day by day journal of research reports written by Itzama. This is found and it's called the Paris Codex because some French people found it.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And it's in Paris. Right now, the only surviving part of the much larger Parisianus. Which is a collection containing the research of all the earth gods. Somewhere on earth there is a collection of of a day to day report by this team of researchers.
Cristina: Why is that important though?
Jack: It's their data. It's their research.
Cristina: But this is their main thing.
Jack: It's their research. The research focused primarily on the storage of immense amounts of information and data. Which is what was in the Codex. The second codex is called the Dresden Codex as it is known today. It is a document which is an exact replica of scientific research performed by scientists on the other side of Kaf.
Cristina: What?
Jack: It was given by a scientist they often worked with named Tohil. Which translates in Egyptian. Sarah.
Cristina: No way. What? Why?
Jack: And this team of researchers from the other side of the rift.
Cristina: Huh?
Jack: This Dresden Codex contained energy storage capabilities to be implemented in assistance with storing immense amounts of data. The more data you're trying to store, the more energy you need to store it.
Cristina: Are they making a supercomputer? Is that part of the pyramid somehow too?
Jack: In Egypt it includes ways to optimize energy acquisition and the most efficient ways of storing them.
Cristina: One. Nine. I like that. Is there another one? You said there's three.
Jack: There's three.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: The last one is called the Madrid Codex as it is known today. A document which contains an exact replica of scientific research profound by scientists. Get ready for this. Because I don't know who the f***. Performed by scientists in the underworld. What?
Cristina: What?
Jack: The Mudrid Codex is an exact replica of scientific research performed by scientists in the underworld.
Cristina: What were they doing?
Jack: I can tell you what it is. I can't tell you who it was. The data focuses primarily on building extensive comprehensive portals. The portals are meant to bridge gaps between large distances within singular realms. And bridge across from one realm to another.
Cristina: Why is this so important? What is happening? Everything is connected. But it doesn't make a picture. It just makes everything obviously related.
Jack: Yes. Everything is obviously working together. For what?
Cristina: For what? That is still the big question. Like no matter how much we circle.
Jack: No matter what we're always circling.
Cristina: Yes. What? So close and yet so far. I don't understand.
Jack: I don't understand either.
Cristina: How are they all so important?
Jack: And what? What research team from the Underworld? What research team?
Cristina: The Egyptians have a research team in Underworld. No, they don't have one of them.
Jack: Autumn came from the underworld. But he was part of the Sun Gods. And they said that the Dresden Codex is the one with the replica from the other side of Koph. Which means that's data from the sea people and data from the Egyptians. But he specifically says that it came from Toho, which is Ra, which means.
Cristina: I thought Ra was also doing stuff in the shadow realm.
Jack: No, they are doing their research in Earthrealm. That's what the sun gods are. There is a portal so that the people who live in the shadow realm can go back and forward, but their research is done over here. And also, why would the Mayan know that they're going. And why would they refer to them as two different groups of people? Why would that make sense? Why wouldn't he just be like, oh, no, the people from the other side of Kaath have research in both the underworld and in the Overworld. No. So you're saying that the Maya are referring to the same group of people in two different contexts.
Cristina: What do you mean?
Jack: Because if Ra gave him one and you're saying, well, Ra gave him the other, then why didn't he just say Ra gave me the two codexes? That doesn't make any sense. He's just saying, oh, Ra gave me one, but also the underworld people who are also Ra gave me the other one. I guess it doesn't make any sense. Is that what you're getting at? Like, oh, well, they. They were also working over there. Why wouldn't they just say it's the same people then?
Cristina: Because maybe they were also working with them over there. So he didn't feel like mentioning it? I don't know.
Jack: Then he wouldn't specify where they're from. He would just say that he got it from Tohill twice. Okay, we just say he got it from Tohel, the Dresden one, and he got the Madrid one from Tohel.
Cristina: Yes. Okay.
Jack: And then specifying where they came from, it doesn't matter.
Cristina: I feel like where I'm at, where it's from matters way more than who gave him the things.
Jack: Why? Because the people, where they are doesn't. What? The people doing the research are the ones who matter. You're saying that he goes into the shadow realm, suddenly these people have no memory and they just got new personalities. And their research is totally different as a result. No, of course the mind is the same. If. If Ra goes to the shadow realm and researches over, it's still raw in the shadow realm.
Cristina: Yes, but the research is different.
Jack: Even if the research was different, the same guy gave it to you. You just omitting that. Oh, he definitely gonna point out he gave me this one, but I'm not gonna bother mentioning gave me that one. I'm gonna talk about it like it's a different person. Like it's a different group of people.
Cristina: But he doesn't mention anything.
Jack: Yeah, he says researchers from the underworld.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Just completely. Oh no. Ra gave me this one, but yeah, Ra gave me that one. We're just gonna be ambiguous about it. Okay, that doesn't make any sense. And the research is absolutely different. Not only that, Ra himself was given the technology of portals and ship by the sea people. He didn't make it up. So that doesn't check out anyways. That's directly conflicting with what we know factually.
Cristina: So was the sea people in the shadow realm?
Jack: No, because they would have just said sea people, which they also mention. That's where they got the data. That's how we know this is a different group of people. They've mentioned everyone else.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: That's how we know this is a different group of people. Because they mentioned the sea people directly and they mentioned the sun gods directly through Ra. Okay, so there is another group of people who gave them portal technology.
Cristina: I don't understand.
Jack: Interesting enough. Are those the people who gave the sea people portal technology and then the sea people gave that technology to the Egyptians? As far as we knew, the sea people invented these technologies. But now we have a group of people who aren't the sea people doing.
Cristina: This Shadow realm people that we know.
Jack: Some shadow realm people.
Cristina: I don't understand this picture. If he's also Jesus and the portals, although maybe that's unrelated, I don't know. But he got that technology from the shadow realm as well.
Jack: That happens later anyways.
Cristina: Yes, but the shadow realm has this technology.
Jack: Or somebody's working on it.
Cristina: But it's starting in the shadow realm.
Jack: We don't know if it's starting in the shadow realm because one, humans can just cause crosses across the bridge. And two, the sea people have some sort of equivalent.
Cristina: Yes, but they didn't make it. Or we don't know if we don't know.
Jack: We have no idea.
Cristina: We don't know where. We know humans have like a natural one, but the man made ones are those sea people or shadow people technology. We don't know.
Jack: Well, we know Mount Kaaf goes to the shadow realm, but we don't. And it's said by many Persian civilizations to be a focal point. But we also know that the Viking had focal points that allowed them to cross and communicate as well through the shadow realm.
Cristina: But now it feels like it's a shadow realm technology sort of thing.
Jack: Well, I don't know, because The Sea People can also build portals across where they're reaching Mount Athos and going to the Atlantic Ocean. Back and forth easily.
Cristina: But those could have been somehow gifts from the Shadow.
Jack: It could have been 100%. Could have totally been. But we don't know.
Cristina: We don't know.
Jack: We have no reference point.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: When we make assumptions, we need some form of information. There's nothing for us to assume here. It just feels like as far as we know right now, maybe two groups of people. We know two groups of people have teleportation technology. One group of people gives it to the Mayan, and the Sea People gives it to the Egyptian.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Interesting, right?
Cristina: Yeah. Does it mean okay, But.
Jack: But there is this next piece of information. This doesn't tell us where they got it, but this does bring in the Sea People. And this is the last detail. With assistance from the Sea People and a researcher named Jacobs, a portal to Kaath and the underworld was successfully established and maintained, opened at all times atop Mount Cerro Quimondo, which is a mountain in Guatemala.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: We don't know if the codex came before or after. The Madrid Codex that contains the teleportation technology provided by scientists from the underworld. We don't know if that came before or after. We know that after the portals that they themselves came up with, which could only work twice a year for a single day.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: We know. After that point, two events took place. The Sea People built a portal atop one of their mountains that sustains a connection to the underworld on Mount Ka. The same way that Mount Kaaf does.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And we know that some underworld scientists, some Shadow Realm scientists, gave them all their data relative to making portals that traverse large distances within one realm and cross between realms. So the same information twice, and we don't know which one came first.
Cristina: No. Or why it's important. Or how. Like why it's important. It's important to establish communication.
Jack: I think. I think at this point, portals are to establish communication between design. It's telephones.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: It's computers. It's our way to get over there and share our data.
Cristina: But is that the main goal as well? Like, is it having someone that can travel between the portals?
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Not just the portals, but the science is really what they're trying to build too.
Jack: I have no idea. We know immense energy data storage and 2 instances of creatures that can willingly cross the threshold of realms.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But neither can enter Alfame.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So Alfame seems like a huge barrier. There's a huge difficulty getting there. If that's the goal and so it.
Cristina: Is to like go where the sea people are. I guess.
Jack: Yes. So yes. Interesting fact about that. Maybe the sea people are traitors from Alfame.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Maybe the sea people are just some people who are like f*** Alfame. We're going to make our s*** overpowered. But then why can't they get back? They should be able to just enter. No, it can't be.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: No, can't be. They should be able to just get in.
Cristina: I don't think. Yeah, yeah. I don't think they're else. Huh?
Jack: I don't know what the goal is. I don't know what the goal is. But now we know how the Mayans were communicating with the Egyptians and why they share data.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Or how they share data. We don't know why anybody's doing anything. We know how they're doing a bunch.
Cristina: Of yes, we know what they're doing. We know the what Idea why.
Jack: We have no idea why. We have so many. What's answered yes. No wise. We have no eyes.
Cristina: Too rad. It's so weird if it's just all random sign stuff. But like come on.
Jack: Could be there. They could just be curious scientists.
Cristina: There's got to be something related. Something.
Jack: There has to be. There has to be. Specifically because of the giant move that the sea people did. Specifically because of the mass amounts of energies that they need. Come on. That's not random.
Cristina: That's definitely not random.
Jack: Purposeful knowing. You need. F***. Tons of storage room for data. What? Which tells us what they're doing. They froze themselves or they connect themselves into something that allows them to protect and manage this data. That seems to be the case. The same. If we apply the same logic that the Egyptians did where they teleported themselves to go manage energy facilities.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: If we apply that same logic to the Mayans, then they are just managing the data. They're focusing on the other thing. Because the sea people seem to be the best at the life part. The making the life part.
Cristina: How is that important?
Jack: I don't know how that's important. And whatever the h*** is in the Shadow Realm. Just like always, the hardest thing in the world is getting data on Elfame and getting data on the Shadow Realm. All we have are the people come through and tell us mm. And Abraxas left and he just disappears. That's it. We just. As soon as something goes into the Shadow realm, we lost it.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And as soon as it comes out we can just get what they tell us about the Shadow Realm.
Cristina: We don't know anything.
Jack: But we know that they've mentioned that there's a research group from the Shadow Realm.
Cristina: Can we find that research group?
Jack: How do we find the research group?
Cristina: Because they have to come out eventually.
Jack: Who says? Why would they need to come out?
Cristina: I don't know. To give us that thing. That's about what.
Jack: They were Shadow Realm creatures over here who could just go retrieve it. There's no reason for them to come out.
Cristina: Yeah. They don't take humans over there. Human scientists or. If they don't know.
Jack: The problem is we don't know. We can't make assumptions on things we don't know. Yeah, that is the issue. We have no f****** clue. If Earth Realm creatures were consistently making trips to the Shadow Realm. We have no idea for what. No clue. What were they doing over there? No clue. And thanks to the Mayans, now we have the division that there are a bare minimum of four groups, at least four groups working together. The Sea people, the Egyptians, the Mayan and the Shadow Realm research group.
Cristina: You're talking about the serpents.
Jack: They're part of the three. They're part of the groups. They're not an individual group of their own.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Yeah, like the Sun Gods have their own group. The sea people have their own group. Like they all have a serpent in the group.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Who actually.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Here's the most interesting detail about all this similarity across all the things. Two unnamed serpents. One of them is with the Sea people and the other one is with Ixchel. Unnamed serpents. The one with Ixchell seems to just be a serpent. No feathers are mentioned. The one with the Sea people also just seems to be a serpent. No feathers connected to it either. Or at least that we know of.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Just similarities.
Cristina: I noticed it might have legs.
Jack: Might have legs. But is it that there are different calibers of the Naga? Or maybe they just look different and is an irrelevant detail.
Cristina: Yeah, I think that's. It's all right. They're. They're random. Yeah.
Jack: Could 100 be. Some of them. They got different colors. We know that much. But feathers show up a lot. But I guess it's. It doesn't necessarily have to mean they all have feathers.
Cristina: Yeah. Or wings seem more human. Like even though they're snakes.
Jack: Yes, yes, yes. Some of them just have. What? Yeah, exactly. No, you're totally right. You're totally right.
Cristina: Yeah, a lot of them are snakes. We don't know. Are we assuming the one in the garden is an actual snake doll?
Jack: No, no. That was a functional thinking part of the team.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And yeah, I guess they're totally different because the world snake is some whole other s***. Yes, that's some big m***********. So, yeah, fair enough. They're all different. Different sizes, different magnitudes. Four teams. The Sun Gods, Earth Gods, the Earth Gods, the Sea People, the Shadow Team, and wherever Abraxas left that we have dubbed the Moon Gods until further notice. And we don't know what they are doing. They have been labeled the bad guys according to the Christian Bible, which would suggest they never worked with the other four teams.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: They aren't the shadow people who provided the portal technology. That's a different group of people. Abraxas is working with somebody else doing something else. So this is what we got.
Cristina: I will never know. Or maybe we don't know. Who knows?
Jack: This is what we've got. We just keep circling. Whatever the case might be, we know something like, Jesus seems to be the point. And it requires a lot of data and a lot of energy.
Cristina: Is he the point? We don't know.
Jack: If doing it biologically fails and they can't figure it out, maybe bridging a portal across would be the goal. But then that would require a lot of energy.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: And it would require so much math that maybe you need a f*** ton of storage. Who knows? Also, if we consider how complicated a living sentient being's genome would be, that also would require immense amounts of data.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Although I don't think it would require as much energy. Then again, if you're trying to create something and infuse literal alpha magic into it, or at least replicate it, maybe that would take immense amounts of energy.
Cristina: Maybe that.
Jack: Yeah, I don't know. And I wonder. The idea is how do we. The same way we pieced the sea people together with crap from everywhere else. Because there's no direct like, oh, we're doing this. No, it's like little bits here, a little bit there, a little bits over there. And together we built what the sea people really are. Can we do that for whatever the h*** this team is in the Shadow Realm? Is there enough? Because there's mentioned once they provided the Madrid Codex. They were mentioned. So if I look hard enough, we got two important details that I just need to cross reference. Which are we know they would have a Naga.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And we know they gave us portals. Okay, who deals with portals and the Naga and is from the Shadow Realm. If I can look at this through any culture, any religion, any science, any philosophy that discusses this, perhaps I can zero in and find Mentions of whoever these people are.
Cristina: Ah, yes. I wonder if they're going to be as random as what we've already talked about. The sun gods, moon gods, earth gods. Are they going to be some other name to these people that have probably communicated with them?
Jack: Yeah. And I suppose because they seem to all be leaders of immense civilizations, including Autumn, that completely left his civilization. So my guess would be that these individuals are probably Jinn. Probably the leaders of their civilization. And yeah, I'm sure their people have dubbed their research team something. Hopefully they're not. But also, we have no idea how.
Cristina: We don't know. Yeah.
Jack: It could just be like, no, they're just people.
Cristina: We'll find out.
Jack: If not, we'll give them a name.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But hopefully there's something cool like that. The earth gods and the sun gods people, you know, they were pretty cool.
Cristina: Pretty cool.
Jack: Pretty cool. The sea people are kind of lame.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But people didn't know what to call them. They were too cryptic. They just knew all the sea gods. They could have called them the sea gods, but the problem is they were being referred to by people that other people called gods. Do you get my point?
Cristina: No.
Jack: Like the people that the Greek called gods. The Greek gods are the ones that were referring to the. The Norse gods were the ones referring to the sea people.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: You know, it was God, because if talking about. If people were talking about them, they would have said, but there are no people talking to the sea people. They had no people. They were all equal. All the sea people were equal. The closest they had were the Persians. And again, they alienated the Persians.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: They're Persians themselves. But the Persian war wasn't their civilization. Everybody in the Persian Gulf oasis at the palace of Alcaraz was equal. Even if there was a scientific group, they weren't more powerful. They were just other sea people. They weren't this other species or more advanced species. No, it was the technology of the sea people. So nobody was calling them anything. They were just people.
Cristina: We'll call them the sea gods, I guess. Or the ocean gods. Sea sounds better.
Jack: Sea sounds better because sea would keep it more vague. Ocean says definitely ocean, but they were at a sea or not even at a sea. It was like a giant lake or a pond or like it wasn't an ocean. And then they went to an ocean. Like they were in different bodies of water. I think sea people works.
Cristina: Water gods.
Jack: Water gods, I guess. Yeah, but we already know them as the sea peoples. It doesn't matter. Yeah, but that's where we are that's what we have. I still don't know any of the whys. We have no whys.
Cristina: Someone give us a why.
Jack: But we have so many what's.
Cristina: Yep.
Jack: Yeah, 100%. Look, if you guys, if you got any freaking theory, anything. Why is anything happening? We don't care what we know what. I'm great at finding the what, but nobody's talking about a freaking why. Give us theories. Also, who the h*** are these people from the shadow realm? Give us some clues on that. If you got ideas, hit us up on our socials. Tick tock, Instagram, Facebook, Xcombo Pot.
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Jack: Show and word of mouth. If you know anybody who's into any of this crap, anybody who knows anything relative to any any of this crap, please send them our way. Show them all these episodes. Maybe they can piece something together that we have not.
Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. S.A. good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.