Rambling 189: Poke Christ
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Is Pikachu the chosen one? Is Ash just in the right place at the right time? Which is the God of gods in the poke world? The duo decides to unpack whether or not Ash and Pikachu are exceptional individuals chosen by the gods of their world or if they are merely the luckiest duo of all time.
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Topics Discussed:
- Pikachu
- Pokemon Gods
- Pikachu’s Strange Level
- Lucky or Chosen?
- Who created humans?
- Who created the pokemon?
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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I'm your host, Jack.
Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.
Jack: Now. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I had to stop in order to make the statement. So what were we just talking about? We were talking about. The statement I was about to make is that Ash Ketchum is not just lucky, but it's so absurd. And I'm about to give you an example of what really is happening. And then you can be like, yeah, that's kind of like, what? Whoa. What the f***? He's chosen, right? He's more important than all. So imagine if you're just walking down the street one day and you hear voice. If you look around, everybody just frozen in place right now, and a giant light is beaming down from heaven, and a voice is telling you, I am God, and I'm talking to you. Hey, you're cool guy. I just wanted you to know. And, yeah, just be chill and do you. And so if he proved to you, you know, or you're f****** hallucinating on some crazy other s***. But okay, Ash is similar to this, because this same example guy then just goes a week about his life and f****** Zeus comes out of the sk. Lands right in front of him, and he's like, yo, who? Zeus.
Cristina: Zeus. Okay?
Jack: He's like, before we had Jehovah, Christian, like, Cloud God, we didn't see anything and was. You know, he likes to be. He works in mysterious ways or whatever he does. But Zeus. Zeus is confrontational. You know, that's what we know of him.
Cristina: You're comparing legendary Pokemon to gods, right?
Jack: Because in the world that Ash Ketchum exists, he's interacting with literally the gods that made everything.
Cristina: Yes, all of them.
Jack: And it's casual. It's like, completely by accident, but not really campy because the. It's like Moses saw God once. We've been talking about him for 2000 years. That's how. Whoa, dude, you saw God? What? Ash has seen every God, some of them multiple times.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Yes. Whoa. Who the f*** is Ash? Should we. Should we be even worried with gods, when really we should be, like, wondering what the h*** Ash Ketchum is?
Cristina: He's Jesus.
Jack: He's greater than Jesus, is made by Jehovah, and Jehovah is some s*** that Ash Ketchum can casually mean. That's an afterthought for Ash Ketchum. Who's met creator of Gods.
Cristina: Yes. He's. No, it's ridiculous. It is ridiculous.
Jack: It's crazy, right?
Cristina: I don't know. But then what is he? He's not just a normal person.
Jack: He's. He's definitely not a normal person.
Cristina: And it's not just luck. It's two. It's.
Jack: It's two.
Cristina: It's not.
Jack: Okay, look. We can say that there's that one person who got hit by lightning seven times in his life, right? And we're like, that's crazy. That's nuts.
Cristina: That's crazy.
Jack: Once is amazing. You got there seven times.
Cristina: Whoa.
Jack: And somehow still no dude. God. 50, 60 times. Different ones. Not even the same one. It's not just multiple times. Some of them. Yeah, it's not just I made friends with God and I'm seeing the same God. Because then there's no. You were just wandering. And hey, God showed up a different God when I've never met.
Cristina: That's crazy. That is pretty crazy. Like, Goku has a work for it. Ash is just like. I stumbled upon another one.
Jack: Yes, exactly, exactly, exactly. Think about that. Yeah. Goku has to become so powerful that godlike creatures feel his energy and seek him out.
Cristina: Huh?
Jack: Ash?
Cristina: He has to have some type of energy thing going on.
Jack: It's just wandering.
Cristina: Yeah. I don't know his power level.
Jack: But. But this does make me think. Okay, okay. Maybe there is a power here.
Cristina: What do you mean?
Jack: Maybe Ash Ketchum actually has a power. Maybe there is an actual explanation behind why he encounters all these gods. Not just gods. It's not just gods. It's all the special everythings that exist. And it doesn't matter what the f*** it is. It's all of them. God.
Cristina: But most of the time he runs into them. I don't know if this helps or hurts this case. I don't know. But like he runs into the people trying to catch the God. Also, it's not just the God was hanging out or anything. It's like these people are trying to ruin the world because they're evil. But they also are trying to fight for freedom because they're not evil. They're confused villains. Or maybe they're not villains. I don't know what they. They people see them as villains because they want to kill people. But usually. Right? Is that the plan? They usually want to like recreate the world in a different way. You know, all these villains are the same story.
Jack: Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
Cristina: You know what I'm talking about though.
Jack: Yes. Okay. Because I now I have so many questions. Because. Yes, you're right. But also he's not chasing Team Rocket.
Cristina: No.
Jack: And look, Team Rockets also not chasing.
Cristina: Yes, they are.
Jack: Over the Pikachu. No, but that's a different.
Cristina: Those specific to.
Jack: I guess they're rogue.
Cristina: Yeah. Okay. The actual Team Rocket. Real. The real team. No.
Jack: Yeah, the real team doesn't care. These are just like the lackeys been sent after Ash. Yeah, but like the real big corporation or whatever crime syndicate they are. Yeah, those people, they don't care. Both. Right. They're like a business and crime. Something. I don't know what the business is, but he has like an office building or something.
Cristina: I don't know. He's also a gym leader.
Jack: Yeah, exactly. Like he's a guy or something.
Cristina: He's a mayor. He's. He's doing everything.
Jack: Yeah, he's doing stuff. Oh, he's a mayor.
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: Yeah, maybe. Like it checks out. Why not? But like if, if, if the bigger team Rocket. The big actual corporation syndicate. Crime syndicate. Bad guys. The bad guys. Yeah, the bad guys. Team Rocket. They're not chasing Ash and Ash isn't chasing them. How the h*** is he always so free? It's still weird. It's still.
Cristina: It is weird.
Jack: So there's so many coincidences.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And like. Okay, let's. Let's give Team Rocket credit. If they're not just happening upon these creatures themselves. Because you're telling me that these Team Rocket guys are so efficient that they're tracking down gods?
Cristina: No, actually it's a bunch of. There's a bunch of teams. Evil teams. Okay. Let's call them evil teams. They're all after one God. And Ash happens to run into all these teams eventually and these gods that.
Jack: They'Re after, but he always runs into them by first coming across the freaking God. He never meets the God first in a bad situation. It's always like, oh, hey, I stumbled. And he doesn't even know it's a God. Usually it's like, hey, there's a Pokemon I've never seen before. And he's.
Cristina: And then he discovers the team that's after it or whatever afterwards.
Jack: Because he goes and he like enters the town.
Cristina: I don't even know if they're all called team, are they?
Jack: And he talks to the people of the town and the people of the town tell him, oh yeah, the legendary whatever is being chased by this people who want to do evil. And then he's like, oh, wait, I think I met the thing.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: That's always how it goes. And it's like, bro, how. Yeah. One, how the creature. Two, how specifically the creature who's specifically being chased at this time. It's like you're. You're destined. You're the savior or something.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh. He said Jesus to the gods. I don't know. Like. Yeah, you know, like, Jesus is our savior.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Like, he's. He's that. To the gods. Yes. It's always when they need him, when they're in a struggle that no one else can. Like, what is the chances that he's there when they need him? Or will they need help?
Jack: Yeah. It's him and Pikachu.
Cristina: It's not even Pikachu. I think he's more lucky than Pikachu. I think even with or without Pikachu, he'd. No, they've always been. I think there has been. Yeah. But I also think Pichu has met gods without.
Jack: Yes. He's just wandered. It might be the f****** Pikachu. There might be something up with that Pikachu. It's not even Ash. Think about the likelihood. No, no, because Ash was just walking to get that Pikachu.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: When he. The first thing he saw was a legendary Pokemon right off the bat.
Cristina: Are you positive?
Jack: Yes. Was the first thing he saw. He walked outside. Wait, no, it might have been the end of the episode here.
Cristina: He might have already had Pikachu. So that means. Might be the legendary attractor attracted to these gods. Oh, my gosh. Pikachu is Jesus to the gods or whatever.
Jack: Well, he's a Pokemon himself.
Cristina: Yeah, that makes more sense.
Jack: And. And. And he's the humblest of Pokemon because he. He does not want to become greater. He wants to just be.
Cristina: Oh, what?
Jack: Whoa. Is there. Hold on, hold on. Is there a hidden story behind this Pikachu? For real? For real. Because this does make. This does kind of check out. He's meeting gods, solving their problem without fail.
Cristina: But he's not the one solving. It's really Ash solving it. But it's through the friendship with Pikachu that he solves it. Is that even more complicated? Like, you know with the Mewtwo movie where he had to. He was frozen. Oh, no. That was Pikachu saving him. Well, it was everyone combination. Crying saved Ash, but Pikachu was one of them, so Pikachu saved Ash.
Jack: Okay, okay. What happened in that movie, in that moment?
Cristina: Did Mewtwo turn him into stone?
Jack: I. With his mind? I don't know. I don't understand.
Cristina: I'm sure that's the Pokemon power that no one uses, because it's probably against the law. It's too.
Jack: It's too plot convenience.
Cristina: Yeah, it's too evil, dude.
Jack: And then what? Okay, okay. Let's say. Let's just say. Let's just say f*** it. Yes. There's a Pokemon that just has the power to turn s*** to stone. And of course, maybe it's illegal, but there's somebody out there rogue, using it.
Cristina: Yeah, great.
Jack: How do you undo it? So you cry and then they just fall out of rock.
Cristina: Yeah, maybe the water melts the rock away.
Jack: These people were standing away. They weren't like, all hovering over his body, raining.
Cristina: Maybe that was a different Pokemon attack. I don't know. Is there attack where water happened? They were doing that attack. What is it?
Jack: No, they weren't. Because it wasn't water. It wasn't just falling down. It was like it was water glowing towards him. And then he, like, came.
Cristina: It, like, warmed up the rock to use his ability. He has a water ability because he's.
Jack: Jesus. Look, there's something happening here. Pikachu did something. It's like the fish to bread or whatever the h***. There was a change of something happening here. And, like, those other creatures don't have these powers.
Cristina: Normally I thought it was Meelo that did it, but I can't really remember.
Jack: Oh, crap. You're probably right.
Cristina: But they were all doing it. So, like, was it Mew. Was it all of their power?
Jack: Like, here's the thing. They're in a moment shared with, like, a God, a. A Jesus of sorts. Then even if they don't have the ability, maybe just being in his presence allows them to do this thing, you know?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And so they all have cry him out of stone powers for that moment. Yeah, exactly. Because they're in the energy field or whatever.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Makes sense, right?
Cristina: He is the chosen one.
Jack: He is the chosen one. He definitely is the chosen one.
Cristina: How do you know? It's hard between Ash and Pikachu, but it has to be Pia too, right? It makes way more sense.
Jack: I mean, the problem is they're both around each other all the freaky. At least all the time we get to witness.
Cristina: Except Pikachu did have that random movie.
Jack: He always has adventures all along. And sometimes on those adventures, he comes across legendary Pokemon.
Cristina: Yes. So I wonder, though, like, if we saw Ash's point of view, because I haven't seen all of Pokemon stuff, of course. So I don't know if there's Pokemon movies where Ash, for Some reason isn't with Pikachu and some crazy thing happens. I have no idea.
Jack: Interesting. I don't think that exists. But the question you're asking is valid. We've seen Pikachu adventures without Ash, but we've never seen Ash adventures without Pikachu. If we did, would it be boring or would it be the same?
Cristina: It would probably be the same. Okay, so I guess not, because there hasn't been any. That must mean that his life isn't as interesting without Pikachu. Even if he did have his solo adventures without Pikachu, we haven't seen that.
Jack: Which means. Yes, it's not exciting. Nothing happens whenever he's not around Pikachu.
Cristina: Exactly.
Jack: Only when he's around Pikachu does it happen. Interesting. Interesting. And that's a fact, because as the viewer, we're seeing the highlight reel.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And the highlight reel is always with Pikachu.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Not always with Ash, so. Or like, Ash is always there. But we've seen Pikachu go up. No, Ash isn't always there because Pikachu has had adventures without him.
Cristina: Yeah. So Pikachu is the main character.
Jack: Definitely. Pikachu is the main character. It's not Ash.
Cristina: He's a chosen one.
Jack: Yes. Because at the beginning of films, a lot of the time, Pikachu goes on a weird adventure.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And it's just Pikachu.
Cristina: Yeah. But the only reason we focus on Ash so hard is because he is really this chosen human.
Jack: Yes. And we love that he's a chosen human. He's an apostle.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: He hangs out.
Cristina: Because you chose him, though, in a way. Like, I know in the beginning, Pikachu seemed like he didn't like him and he want to be owned and whatever that drama that Pikachu had. But at the same time, what if it wasn't a coincidence? I don't know.
Jack: I mean, I think so. I think Pikachu, like, it's not even.
Cristina: A normal starter Pokemon. What's the chances that Ash would get a Pokemon that's not even a starter Pokemon?
Jack: Well, anybody could have. But maybe this was, you know, the destiny thing.
Cristina: Exactly. It was his destiny. He should have had a Charmander Escorter or what was the other? Bulbasaur.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: But they ran out.
Jack: Yeah. It was already a weird circumstance where he comes across a Pokemon because they ran out of all the Pokemon.
Cristina: So then in the end of the day, Ash is special. So is Pikachu. Pikachu is more special.
Jack: Well, Pikachu is actually special. The question is, is Ash Just right place, right time.
Cristina: Yes. He's the most lucky. He's just lucky.
Jack: Maybe. Yeah. And then he's just luck. And Pikachu is the chosen one.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And Ash just happened to be so lucky. He was where he needed to be to be the right hand of the chosen one.
Cristina: Exactly.
Jack: It could have been anybody.
Cristina: It could have been Gary.
Jack: It could have been Gary. It almost was exactly.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Gary was one Pokemon away, but Ash.
Cristina: Was the lazy one, and his laziness got him Pikachu.
Jack: Yes, yes.
Cristina: So he's. Yeah, I guess he's. So who's Jesus? He's Jesus.
Jack: Then also, quick veering off here for a second. But, like, we get to see three different universes there. That's a weird God point. God's point of view when. When you choose one. And Gary, like, when you're the early one because Ash is late, but Red is early, he beats at least his Gary there. And you get to choose first between the three Pokemon, and you pick one, and then your G picks the opposite one, Red for, you know, water, fire, grass, or whatever the h***. And it's like, we get to see all three possibilities play out because we got a God's point of view. Just pointing that out.
Cristina: What are the three different point of views?
Jack: Three different point of views?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: We have the point of view of.
Cristina: If Ash started with a different poke starter.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And how that would play out.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Like, had he chosen Charmander or had he chosen Bulbasaur? Or had he chosen Squirtle?
Cristina: So he'd be great. Pretty much. Because he wins. He's a winner, right?
Jack: Well, yeah, he would anyways. But we get to see all three options of his life in, like, the games and stuff. We get to, like, look through that. Anyways, so Pikachu is the chosen one. Ash is the lucky one who happened to be present when this happens. But all of it is due to Ash solving the problem. What does Pikachu do that solves the problem? Because we need Pikachu present in order for the miracles to happen or the rare events to happen. Maybe Pikachu is who is the lucky one. Well, no, because we've still seen Pikachu around the gods alone without Ash.
Cristina: But when Ash saw that bird Pokemon that. I don't know how to say its name right, because I'm gonna say it, and it's wrong. Ho, ho, ho. Oh, ho. Oh, I hate it. Ho ho. But it was Ash who saw Hoho, not Pikachu.
Jack: But he already had Pikachu and Pokeball.
Cristina: No, no, he never had.
Jack: He was just walking around.
Cristina: No, I think Pichu was Passau or something. Or. I don't know.
Jack: But his. He doesn't need the. So you tell me his power only works when he's conscious?
Cristina: No. Well, but the luck. Use. If you see it, you get luck. It means, you know, luckiness. Right.
Jack: For Ho.
Cristina: Oh, yeah. Hoho brings luck.
Jack: No freaking way.
Cristina: Some. Yeah, I guess not. Hoho brings eternal happiness. Eternal happiness.
Jack: Eternal happiness. Yes. That's what actually brings.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So was the point gonna be?
Cristina: Well, if it was luck, then Ash is the luckiest person alive. Because of Hoho?
Jack: Because he saw Ho. Oh, but, but. But he's also not eternally happy.
Cristina: How do you know? When has he ever been sad? He has been sad.
Jack: But he's a lot like Goku. He's the most.
Cristina: Yes, he had. He's got Goku's personality. They're the same guy.
Jack: That single one drive that keeps him happy.
Cristina: Yeah. It's not even fighting. It's just. I don't even know.
Jack: In the case of Ash collecting.
Cristina: Collecting. I don't even know if he's into collecting either.
Jack: Not even like. No, he's not. He really is just trying to be the best math. Like trainer.
Cristina: No, he's not.
Jack: Yeah, he. All he does is follow the path of fighting Pokemon.
Cristina: But he's so bad at it.
Jack: Yeah, but he has no other drive. He doesn't have to be good for it to be, I guess.
Cristina: But I don't feel like that's his real passion. I feel like maybe just adventuring is his passion. Just traveling. Like, he loves meeting new people, meeting new Pokemon, stuff like that. But I don't know.
Jack: You're totally right. That's totally true. Because he's always like on boats and planes across the world, just enjoying life, meeting new sight. He loves. Yeah, he does. He just wants to see new Pokemon.
Cristina: Yeah, like he'll fight and whatever. Like with everyone he meets. But that's not his passion, I think. But he loves it. He love. No, I don't know. He does love it and just sucks at it. But he loves it.
Jack: Yeah, and Pikachu sucks at it too.
Cristina: Yeah. You could be a God and suck at fighting, I guess.
Jack: Yeah, the rules, I mean. Yeah, he's not a God himself.
Cristina: He's a mortal.
Jack: He's just a mortal. They're all. They're both mortals there.
Cristina: Yes. He's just Pikachu. Super lucky. Yeah, that's the point.
Jack: Well, Pikachu isn't super lucky. Pikachu what was Pikachu? He's a chosen one. Now the question is, what was he chosen to do other than just, like, help? Like, Jesus shows up. And Jesus has a special, like, overall goal. He's going to free the spirits of the sinners, and all their sins will be forgiven. What's Pikachu's goal for, you know, God. Godmon. Godmon.
Cristina: He's trying to show the God's Pokemons to not destroy the world. Like, look at Ash. He's a good guy. And then they're like, whoa, he's a good guy. Humans aren't that bad.
Jack: So he's essentially the spirit of, like, the forest or something. But it's the spirit of the Pokemon.
Cristina: Yeah. He's fighting for humans pretty much. He's. Because these bad guys who want to ruin the earth by getting these legendaries to do it for them, those legendary Pokemon will probably be cool with it because they're like, we hate humans. Look at these humans. They're bothering us or whatever. Like, we should destroy it like Mewtwo, like others.
Jack: But Mewtwo is a whole crazy thing, because Mewtwo is essentially what you get when you cross God and science.
Cristina: That's pretty cool.
Jack: Yeah. That's nuts. They didn't know. They just saw this strange, unique Pokemon.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Somehow caught it, somehow got a sample, and that led to what we know as Mewtwo.
Cristina: Mm. That's pretty awesome.
Jack: It just makes no sense. You replicated, like, Mew just has DNA.
Cristina: Yeah. Well, these gods are physical beings in.
Jack: This world, so he literally made everything not in their image, but of, like, their same stuff.
Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. So. So, yeah. I think that's what Pikachu's goal is. Just to show gods that humans aren't.
Jack: That bad, I guess. I guess. Yeah.
Cristina: Like, Jesus. Come on. He's showing. He's like, I want to sacrifice myself for these humans.
Jack: Except Jehovah is all the God Pokemon.
Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. But still, Jesus wants to sacrifice himself for humans or something.
Jack: What an extremely Shinto concept.
Cristina: What?
Jack: The whole nature is fighting humans for their involvement in hurting nature.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Very Shinto. To think that would happen. But it's happening in that world. Yeah.
Cristina: So that's why I think. That's what. I think what Pikachu is trying to do besides saving these gods in their random moment of weakness that he just happens to be around.
Jack: Yes. That's. Oh, man. Is that there's so much. The problem is that are coincidences that can't be compensated for at all, because how is he all the Time at random, showing up exactly when he's needed. He really is a chosen one. He's there when they need him. And from his point of view. And I think this probably happened to Jesus a lot, too. It's always like, hey, Jesus showed up just when I needed him to. But maybe Jesus wasn't like, hey, I' ma consciously go there. I'm just like, jesus was just living life.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: The way Jesus does. But because Jesus is the chosen one, he just happens to be the right place at the right time, and he does things.
Cristina: Except for that one random story, I don't know if it was after Jesus died or if he was still around the oven.
Jack: Yeah, this is the example I was thinking about. I was definitely thinking. I had it in my mind where I was just thinking about it, right? And I'm like, these guys get put in an oven because they're gonna die, and then Jesus pops up, is just there in the oven with them.
Cristina: Like, was he also being cooked first?
Jack: This just sounds like a funny joke. Like, I can picture this being in, like, a Futurama or something. The funny clip where the guys are about to be murdered and the other guy is just real excited and oblivious to the fact that he's in a furnace with himself, you know? But, yeah, so these guys are. They get thrown in here, and the. He gets turned up and they're, oh, my God, we're gonna die. Whatever. And they look to the side and, oh, Jesus, what. What are you doing here?
Cristina: He's, like, chilling.
Jack: Yeah. He's like, don't worry, you guys aren't gonna burn. But the guy's like, yo, I get that. Thanks. Like, super. Thanks, bro. Yeah, also, like, why are you here bathing? I mean, he already doesn't get bothered by the heat, so he could just have wandered in before.
Cristina: What, to get tanned? Like, they didn't have tanning booths. That was the closest thing, man.
Jack: I got a lot of questions at that point. Because, like, Jesus. That's very Lucifer. Y of you to just be like, mmm, hot.
Cristina: Was he dead, though? Was this him him or was this ghost him? Please. There's no ghost, right?
Jack: Everything is ghost him. Like, anything we see.
Cristina: There's no ghost in this book, right? Like, they don't believe in ghosts. Ghosts aren't a thing.
Jack: What, a Pokemon?
Cristina: No, in the Bible, they're like, if it's a spirit, it's an evil spirit. It's a demon.
Jack: But Jesus is a spirit. He dies and then gets resurrected. Well, I guess it's a resurrection, right? But then after he's resurrected, he dies anyways or something. And goes to heaven.
Cristina: Yes. And he just pops up randomly, I.
Jack: Guess, in furnaces and stuff.
Cristina: Was that before or after Jesus?
Jack: Well, yeah. It's interesting because I've been asked this before. Does that situation take place before Jesus? And if they did, how do they know that was Jesus to tell us in the first place?
Cristina: It happened before he died.
Jack: Yeah. Before he was born or whatever.
Cristina: Oh, before he was born?
Jack: Yeah. Like there's sightings of Jesus before Jesus's birth.
Cristina: That makes no sense.
Jack: Well.
Cristina: Or. I don't know. No way. Now I have to see. I don't know.
Jack: Okay, so we definitely couldn't find any details on that. But I'm sure if we dig deeper, we could come up with something. Yeah, but nothing so far.
Cristina: But look, Pietro is Jesus.
Jack: It seems. Yeah, it seems to be the case that Pikachu is definitely Jesus. Or ashes. One of them, it seems.
Cristina: The special or something.
Jack: Yes. The greater candidate of the two is definitely Pikachu. He seems to be there more often.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Than ashes can tell.
Cristina: Is the chosen one for Pikachu.
Jack: Yeah. We're just witnessing a strange overlap of different prophecies coming true.
Cristina: Yes. Yeah.
Jack: The guy who was meant to be the apostle and the guy who is the prophet.
Cristina: But I think without Ash. Because she wouldn't be able to do a lot of things.
Jack: 100%. I don't understand the argument considering that the apostles without Jesus are just guys.
Cristina: But they were doing something special. They weren't special with Jesus.
Jack: They only had the ability because Jesus. Right.
Cristina: What ability? They don't have abilities.
Jack: Miracles and stuff. The apostles?
Cristina: No, they're just dudes hanging out with Jesus.
Jack: The apostles totally made stuff happen.
Cristina: No, they. What?
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: They had magic. Yes.
Jack: What are you talking about? Of course they did.
Cristina: Wow.
Jack: Yeah. I don't know. Well, this is.
Cristina: I didn't know. They're doing things too.
Jack: Yeah. It's like the apostles are worshiped like saints. They're almost the same thing. Except the apostles are the saints that were directly around Jesus.
Cristina: Well, also, saints can do magic and stuff.
Jack: No, I know, that's what I'm saying. The apostles are saints that just so happen to be around Jesus.
Cristina: Okay, that's it.
Jack: They're all saints.
Cristina: I didn't realize. I didn't. I didn't know.
Jack: But also magic.
Cristina: I mean, they do miracles.
Jack: Yes. Except we can't call them saints because all of them are like crips or something.
Cristina: What do you mean?
Jack: You know, they're all like crip Gang members or some s***.
Cristina: Who?
Jack: All the apostles.
Cristina: Why?
Jack: They are. It's a crime syndicate or something. They're all like, thugged out using, like, hookers and s***.
Cristina: Whatever. But okay, so Ash is an apostle.
Jack: Is an apostle. Yeah, yeah. So Ash is an apostle. Pikachu is very Jesus. Yeah.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And then there are many gods.
Cristina: Many.
Jack: And he, like the hundreds.
Cristina: No. Well, close.
Jack: Something greater must have made Pikachu. Because Pikachu is here to help things like Arceus that made everything else. So something greater that created the space within.
Cristina: Where who's Mew? Is Mew not the one that makes Pokemon.
Jack: Mew makes Pokemon?
Cristina: Yes, Mew made Pikachu.
Jack: But Mew is not more powerful than Arceus. So, no, it couldn't have been Mew directly. Pikachu must be a Pokemon created by some other force greater than Mew. Greater than all the gods. Between Mew, the bottom God, and Arceus, the top God.
Cristina: Why can't it be Mew?
Jack: Because how did Mew make something that beats the bigger God? There's something greater that made. Because again, the prophecy of Pikachu has Arceus in it.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Arceus didn't make a world. And then the prophecy happened about Arceus. No, no. The prophecy is outside of Arceus control. Therefore must have been made by something equal to what made Arceus or greater.
Cristina: Are humans made from Pokemon as well?
Jack: I do not know. That is an interesting question. Okay, here it says that Mew created Pokemon. No, I created. Created humans. Mew created humans and Arceus created Pokemon. So the question is, are Mew and Arceus equals? And in this connection, are we to say Mew is Jehovah and Pikachu is Jesus?
Cristina: Yes. Mew made Pikachu. Mew had to. I know Arceus is a Pokemon maker, but Mew made Pikachu.
Jack: Yes. Because whatever is the maker of Pikachu cannot be. It must be equal to or greater than Arceus.
Cristina: Yes. I think Mew is greater. I mean, equal to Arceus.
Jack: Interesting. You think Mew can one to one take on Arceus.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And be equals.
Cristina: Yeah. We don't know much about Mew. We use. Just because he's a cute little pink guy girl thing doesn't mean he's not genderless. No, they.
Jack: They.
Cristina: They're still equal. They could still be equal.
Jack: They could totally still be equal. So how did this break down? Are Mew and Arceus actually equal? What's this connection that they have? It's fuzzy. It seems fuzzy. It's unclear.
Cristina: So it seems like Mew's Just a Pokemon.
Jack: Yeah. Sometimes it seems like Mew is just a Pokemon. Other times it seems like Mew made Pokemon. Other times it seems like Mew made humans and Arceus made Pokemon.
Cristina: But there's no clear answer, so I'm gonna go with Arceus definitely made it everything.
Jack: Yeah. I like this a lot because I like that it is vague the way it should be, because why would mortals know?
Cristina: Why would they know the whole story?
Jack: Yeah. Why could they? Why would they be able to piece it together?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You know, it's beyond the. The capacity of a simple mortal.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: So I like that it's so fuzzy that we're like, whoa, Maybe, you know, like, it takes us there. There's no certainty. The higher up you go, there shouldn't be and there shouldn't be. Exactly. It. It feels right on paper.
Cristina: So then this mystery is gonna stay a mystery.
Jack: Yeah. I mean, who made what for sure now is Pikachu. Jesus. It seems to be. Regardless of who made Pikachu, Pikachu's goal in the universe is to save humans. Not just humans, but Pikachu's goal. Not really. It's to save Pokemon. Pikachu's always saving legendary Pokemon, not humans.
Cristina: Well, no, but I feel like his point of saving those Legendaries with Ash by him side is to show those Pokemon, like, humans aren't that bad, because those Pokemon, Legendary Pokemon, are always being attacked by humans. And they might snap and decide, like, maybe it's time to get rid of these humans. But Pikachu always has the thing, like, hey, don't do that. Look at this dude. And they're like, whoa. That dude's pretty cool. Okay. We won't destroy all humans.
Jack: So Pikachu is just a good talker, talking up Ash all the time.
Cristina: Yeah. And they're convinced they really like Ash. He's. He's such a. I don't know. Goku, dude.
Jack: Yeah. He's just happy to do the things he does.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Without really much thought given to it. Just like, yeah, I'm gonna do the thing.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So ashes. Yeah, I guess. But okay, so Pikachu. Jesus. And then. Man, it's so crazy. It's so crazy. He has to be. There's no way. He can't be God. Not God. But look, you know, he has to be chosen. It's too many coins.
Cristina: He is. He's definite chosen.
Jack: He has to be. He has to be.
Cristina: But there's a reason he has Ash.
Jack: So what's the reason?
Cristina: Well, the reason I just told you about huh? Of taking to show the gods that humans aren't that bad.
Jack: You're really convinced that the goal of Ash is to show that or Pikachu? No, no. I guess this is where we disagree on this. I think the existence of Pikachu is about helping the gods. You think the existence of Pikachu is to have Ash to show these gods that humans are good? I think that's Mew's goal. But now the question is, did Mew even make humans?
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: And did or did Mew make Pikachu? Because if Mew made Pikachu, maybe you're right. But he also has have to have made humans. That story has to be true. He has to have made both humans and Pokemon so that he made the Pokemon that's the chosen one, and he made the human that's the chosen one. Okay, if he didn't make Ash, but he did make Pikachu, then he's just trying to help the gods because he didn't make Ash. That's not part of his prophecy.
Cristina: But Ash is important then.
Jack: Well, no, no, no. It doesn't matter whether Ash is important or not. The question is who made who would tell us the reasoning behind it to some degree, you know?
Cristina: Mm
Jack: That changes everything. Who made who? That tells us why they're doing it. If Mew made Pikachu, but did not make Ash, then he is not trying to save the humans. He's just trying to save the gods. Okay, if Mew made Ash, but not Pikachu, then he's trying to show the gods that humans are good. Okay, if he made both of them, then that story still holds up. And he has the Pokemon and the human duo that he put into motion to show the gods. But if he made neither, then what the h*** is going on with Ash now? It's only one of three. One of four or three. Yeah, one of three. Right. That would leave. That would be weird.
Cristina: Well, it would still be something. Did it? If it's not Mew, it's something some Pokemon that probably did it made Ash. Yeah. Pikachu Or. And. Or the same options. The same three options, but you know, some other Pokemon. Because we don't know if Mew is the creator of Pokemon or humans or anything. But that doesn't mean.
Jack: Oh no. We're just using Mew in plays. Okay. I know you mean.
Cristina: Okay, yeah, that's. That's all. Okay.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because at the end of the day, it doesn't really like. Yeah, I get it. We could Just say A or B. Yeah. You know, cuz it doesn't really matter. But I know what you mean.
Cristina: Yeah, but. So you think the fourth option. Nothing. They're just. It's just coincidence.
Jack: I don't think that that's the one. I do think there is. It's too.
Cristina: One of them is definitely chosen. If it's not both.
Jack: Yeah. Once you lead into the second sighting of a different God and those two sightings aren't related. You've crossed into impossible territory.
Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. So it has to be one or the other. Either one of them is special or they're both special.
Jack: Or they're both special. Yeah.
Cristina: So.
Jack: So I guess the ultimate conclusion is that Jesus is. Or not Jesus, but a Jesus equivalent within the Pokemon world is Pikachu. He's made by somebody probably with the attempt to. With one of the two attempts of either saving the gods from something themselves.
Cristina: That would be so weird though because Pichu sucks to be like this is the thing that's gonna save these gods. This weak rat.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: The weakest rat in the world. It's gonna save all the gods.
Jack: It's a pretty. I mean it's so overpowered to it. One hits random s***. It's.
Cristina: I don't know. That doesn't even make sense.
Jack: Yeah. It's power level is all over the place at random moments.
Cristina: Yeah. But like it's. But it's definitely a very weak rat compared to.
Jack: Except it. One hits random s***.
Cristina: Yeah. It's a really weak Pokemon still.
Jack: How it can get hit by anything and survive. And it can hit anything in one shot and take it down at random.
Cristina: Not random. It's all random.
Jack: Random s*** can be suit. Look. It could take a direct hit from a. From a God. From a God's best attack and just get up. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I've never thought about this this way before. But there is. There is some sort of ability here. And it's interesting. There is a time in which this maxed out level. Pikachu and Ash are hanging out with a group of people and he comes across somebody's starter Pokemon. I think it's somebody who's gonna be joining his group. Or just somebody who just began to journey or whatever. Right.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And Pikachu, level 10 billion gazillion gets into a tangle. You know, we can fight my Pokemon. Your Pokemon. And then he like totally takes hella damage from this. Like level one. You know, let's be generous and say level five. But you're level 10 bazillion.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But Pikachu has fought level 100 Pokemon, not just level 100 Pokemon. He's gotten tangled with Legendaries.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And taking direct shots. And I would argue. I would argue that he took exactly the same amount that he took when the Level 5 Pokemon attacked him. Pikachu is usually about as hurt, but he causes about as much damage when he attacks, regardless of what he's hitting. So he has an interesting. And Pikachu know. So that's why he doesn't want to evolve. He knows there's something unique about that form he's in. Because let's say a Squirtle just uses tackle. The Squirtles Level 5, uses tackle. Your HP is at 100 right now. You take damage for whatever reason. This. You're level 100. This tackle left you with only 20 hp. It took 80 hours.
Cristina: That's crazy.
Jack: This Pokemon sucks. Now, this same Pikachu, the same Pikachu is level 100. But we're gonna say that the difference in power level between this Pikachu and some super legendary Pokemon is that Pikachu is level 5 now, and this legendary Pokemon is the hundred. And this legendary Pokemon hits Pikachu and Pikachu still ends up with just 20 hp. Why didn't he die? Why didn't he faint? You know?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: That's how Pikachu works. But also, mm. Pikachu can attack the Legendary and leave the legendary with only 20 GP on the first try. But if Pikachu were to use that same attack on the level 5 squirtle, you'd still leave him with 20% HP when you should have wiped the floor with that one attack. So here's the power of Pikachu that actually explains him getting laid out and laying everything out. It's because his power is some percentage, some number.
Cristina: That's very strange. But okay.
Jack: But it would explain how everything works. Yes, his power is some interesting percentage of damage in and out.
Cristina: Yeah, that's. That's so complicated. That's not how Pokemon should work.
Jack: But it's how Pikachu seems to funk. Because how do we explain it? How do we explain him getting wrecked? By starters, but then totally. Yes.
Cristina: Randomly wrecking.
Jack: Yes. But like, also it's. It's too. It looks too random. But also it works always.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Like it doesn't matter what it is. You're like, we can do this. And it doesn't matter what it is. They can get laid out. Level five, dude. This is somebody's starter. It was a pretty even out fight. And this Pikachu billion. It means Pikachu. You having Pikachu on your team makes every fight exciting because you don't know.
Cristina: How'S it gonna go.
Jack: All equally matched.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It doesn't matter what level.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Your Pokemon is.
Cristina: Pikachu's gonna be the same.
Jack: It's the same. It's the same. Somehow totally negating power difference. It does not make sense. But it does sound godly. Negating the natural law of the universe.
Cristina: Yeah. Huh? What if there are other Pokemon that work like this?
Jack: It is possible there are Pokemon sort of out here breaking the laws of physics, including the fact that humans themselves could make one. Mewtwo. This is breaking the law. Is so overpowered. Mewtwo. So overpowered.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Made by people.
Cristina: That's so crazy that he's made by people. That makes no sense. But people have to be. Have made by Pokemon. Right? Like, that's the only way. Right. Any of that makes sense. Unless you think like a different God made the humans.
Jack: Yeah. I guess that would be the real. I don't know, man. I don't know. It's so crazy. We got this Pikachu problem. We still. Ash is still a giant question mark.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: We've got, like, these gods. Who made who? We don't know. Between Arceus and Mew. And they might have worked together. They might have been against each other. It's. It's fuzzy and unclear.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And, like, their motivations is. Varsius made humans mute. Made humans to teach Arceus that they're good or what? Like what?
Cristina: It's.
Jack: Man. This is actually a pretty interesting world though. We should dive in. We should go and find out about gods. All of the above. There's some. I'm sure there's some deeper narrative happening in Pokemon. These are pressing issues. You know. People want to know. We just. Today we answered some important questions. Yes.
Cristina: Pikachu is probably Jesus and special in many ways.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: I'm not sure how Ash is special. I mean, he's special for sure. But can he do anything? Amazing.
Jack: Ash probably has some powers.
Jack: I bet he does. Yeah. And it has to be some interesting kind of thing. Again.
Cristina: Ash has the power of friendship.
Jack: Maybe. No. Because Jesus also brought people together. So Ash isn't the one who's attracting the legendaries. It's Pikachu. You saying the power of friendship.
Cristina: Yes. Jesus and Ash have the power of friendship.
Jack: Jesus did have the power of friendship.
Cristina: Yeah. Ash and Pikachu together just. I don't know. It makes sense.
Jack: Yeah. Ash represents all the apostles that's really what it is. Okay, but it is what it is. Look, look, look. Yes. Jesus. There's more questions to ask about that. And Pokemon is a weird world where they got a bunch of gods that work in mysterious ways. All of them, apparently.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Yeah. Anyhow, so we have in the past talked about Pokemon. Not many times, but we've gone in on them a couple of times. Maybe like three total.
Cristina: Yeah, I don't think that much.
Jack: Yeah, it's not like a plethora, but there is some Pokemon content out there. But now I'm way more interested in there because I remember we were just talking about Pokemon. Showed up in one of the. The mass hysteria episode, I believe, and I'm pretty sure should have been a different one. It was an experiment episode or something. Forgot something.
Cristina: Not conspiracies. I think it was about just theories on weird things on Pokemon. I don't remember.
Jack: Could totally be. It sounds like something we would do, but yeah, so you could. I'm sure it's there. Go find it. Go find that stuff. You can find that.
Cristina: I think I also compared Pokemon to myth.
Jack: Oh, creatures in nature. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mythical, mythological creatures.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So yeah, just say there's keywords. Just type in Pokemon. You can find all that. Facebook, Twitter, Instagram. Those are our socials at.
Cristina: Just convopod and remember to subscribe and review the show.
Jack: Yeah, word of mouth is great. And if you like Pokemon and if your friends like Pokemon and you go and you Pokemon Go and stuff like that. If you wish there was a better thing than Pokemon Go, like some actual like mobile version of the. The like mainline games. And then you played that on your phone somehow. And then you could battle people but really have attacks, not just tapping like this brain dead craft. If you wish that was the reality. Share this with people. Yes, make that also make that. Make that and tell me so I can go play it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But yeah, you could tell them about that. Show them this and maybe they'll make it them.
Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. But because of that. Does that mean she looks worse?
Jack: Because he. Is he attractive? He's not. But is. Is a her version of him more. Way less attractive because that's. Is it like, whoa, are we saying that we have different attractive standards for men and women? Yeah, we totally do, don't we? So, yeah, I guess. I guess it's like that's way less attractive as a woman. So his sister was way uglier than he was.
Cristina: I think we look at pictures of them and we're like, oh, maybe she's not that bad. Maybe he should stay like a lady. I don't know.
Jack: Like a lady.
Cristina: He makes a pretty lady.
Jack: Maybe there's somebody out there who has that unfortunate thing going on.
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