Rambling 174: Alternative Civilizations
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Is the universe identical across the board? Would other advanced civilizations have math as their baseline for all technological advancements? Is deception a biological trait? The duo decide to unpack whether scientists need to be better informed on how to find alien life in space as opposed to outright introducing them to alien life.
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Topics Discussed:
- Language
- Telepathy
- Alternatives to Math
- Religious Science
- A World Without Fiction
- The First Lie
- Lying Dogs
- Our Quantum Computer
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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
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Jack: Welcome to the Rambling podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I am your host, Jack.
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Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.
Jack: Yeah, it's important that you, like, find somebody and you're like. You sit them down. You're like, hey, man, this podcast just conversation and talking is. The microphones. This is so I.
Cristina: And I. I'm not sure.
Jack: And I press going on and then plays. And you can hear them. And they're talking.
Cristina: But they're not making fun of people who have stutters.
Jack: No, because the stutter would be like, this is.
Cristina: And what were you doing before? It was very similar.
Jack: It's like a really nervous person talking.
Cristina: That's a NERV person.
Jack: Yes, like a person who's not a nervous person. They're more like a. Like somebody with schizotypal language, I guess. Like, their. Their linguistic patterns are of schizophrenia. Almost like they're trying to tell you, like, this. It's a podcast. And like. So I hit the. I hit play and like. And so on the. But they're. It's. But they're not here when they're talking. They're just over there. But you could. You could hear the speaker. The speaker. You can hear through the speaker. But they're not here. They're just talking over there. It's not live. It's in this. Recorded. There's. But it's. It's not. It's not live. And. And it is recorded. Probably not like, not like in a big studio or something. You know, it's probably. Probably the. Probably they just came together and, you know people.
Cristina: It's very close to the other thing.
Jack: It might. You know what? It might be a type of stutter.
Cristina: It might be. It could be pretty bad.
Jack: It could. It totally could be, man. Okay, here's a problem. He's a problem. He's a problem. He's a problem. His problem. He's a problem. His problem is a problem. I don't know.
Cristina: Do you have a stuttering problem?
Jack: No. What's crazy is people who do that. Is that a stutter, too?
Cristina: It might be because it's not like you're.
Jack: You're not stuttering in the word. The word isn't stuttered.
Cristina: It's repeating the word.
Jack: Yeah. That's why I'm not calling it a stutter. Because you're not stuttering the word.
Cristina: It feels like you're stuck on the word, and that makes it feel like a stutter. Even if you're not messing up the word, you can't move past the word.
Jack: So it's not moving past it. The. The base principle of stuttering.
Cristina: I'm saying yes now. I don't know.
Jack: So what if you're, like totally being racist and insulting the stutter race?
Cristina: That's not a race.
Jack: How do you know?
Cristina: I hope they don't see themselves as a race.
Jack: They probably do. And they see themselves superior to everybody.
Cristina: Why?
Jack: Because maybe they are. How do you know they're not?
Cristina: What if we're just equals? Why do one have to be better than the other?
Jack: They're faster, they're stronger, they're smarter, the cooler.
Cristina: All of that from. I don't know. Why. Why is that the case?
Jack: Did the master race.
Cristina: Obviously they're not a race. They're not a race.
Jack: You don't decide what a race is.
Cristina: I don't know what a race is.
Jack: To be fair, neither do I. Okay, but listen to me. My whole point in talking about stutterers and stuttering and the fact that stutterers tend to be stuttering is because. No, I was just thinking, like, we stutter because language and there's a certain thing happening in our brain that's not allowing the person who. It has to be neurological or something. Right. That's not letting the person get the word out efficiently, but they're still getting the word out. Neural pathways are there. There's just something happening.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: I don't know if it's neurological or if it's some cognition based thing like motor functions. But regardless of what the case might be, there is something there. Now my question is, is this specific to language? So we have an alien race and they don't develop language.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: But they have some other means of communication.
Cristina: Would there be a form of stuttering as well?
Jack: Like is a. Can a dog stutter in their communication to another dog?
Cristina: That is. I don't know.
Jack: Right, right.
Cristina: That is weird.
Jack: But if we take it to the next level and say maybe it's an advanced thought. We process a lot of thoughts in a very short period of time. Maybe it's advanced civilization kinds of things and it's just human. Particularly as a stutter, because it makes sense for us to be caught on some complex linguistic problem. So then the question would be, if we don't have language, could we have an equivalent of a stutter?
Cristina: I don't know, because I think of, like, sign language, and there's no way of stuttering for sign language. I think, like, you can mess up.
Jack: No. Well, I wouldn't. No, no, no. It's totally possible to have a stutter while doing sign language.
Cristina: How?
Jack: That's very interesting that you would bring that up. And I would have never thought about this otherwise. But if you have a repetitive tic of some sort and it, like, manifests itself as your. Maybe it's very physical. Like, very physical, and it happens to be in your hands and you sign in. Communicate also. D***, bro. You're both death. And you got this tick like your hand was crappy, but yeah, I guess you could stutter. Yeah, it's crappy. They. They got. Yeah, you're. The hand you were dealt is crappy and the hand you were crappy.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So, like, it sucks to be you, bro. Yeah, you should. You're that person who should have been convincing yourself a long time ago. I think I should have been born without arms. And then you go through that surgery and get your arms detached, but then you get robot arms that are way.
Cristina: More efficient and somehow they stutter.
Jack: They don't stutter. I mean, I guess if they glitched. If they glitched, D*** computers stutter.
Cristina: Yeah, yeah, they can get old and the technology is not advanced enough.
Jack: Yeah, s*** could stutter. But that's my point is stuttering. Because at the end of the day, language, linguistics and sign language is language.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Just signing words. Essentially, we're trying to convey the same information.
Cristina: Like animals stutter. Birds while they're singing end up stuttering. Although when people sing, they don't stutter. So I would assume it's not a bird problem.
Jack: My. Well, my thing would be let's move beyond the simplistic stuff and assume that there is something other going on in an intellectual mind. Can a life form from another place that never had language stutter in whatever means of communication they have? If they're doing telepathy, can your telepathic thoughts stutter? If you're trying to convey your emotions as they are, can you stutter and overemphasize something? Or can you. You're trying to show a sequence of images of places you've seen to convey a really complex thought that requires these images. Could you get stuck on an image?
Cristina: Could you get stuck on it?
Jack: You know, could you look at. Is there a lag?
Cristina: Like, wouldn't it be like a mess up? I don't know about an actual lag.
Jack: Yeah, it would be the perfect word. It would be the human lag equivalent if it was telepathy. Because you could stay on the wrong image too long and it's just because you're like failing to. And I guess we would. Right, because things that we don't even consider stutters are probably stutters.
Cristina: Like what?
Jack: Like if you are holding your keys and looking for them at the same time. Oh, is that a type of stuttering? That your brain is kind of like stuck?
Cristina: Yes. Like the lady holding the baby looking for the baby.
Jack: Yes, that's a weird. Like you're kind of stuck there. You're stuttering, you're lagging, you're lagging. The system is glitching.
Cristina: That is weird. Okay, so there's some real world things happening like that.
Jack: Yeah, it's so it's not linguistically alone. There is. Everything can get stuck somehow.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Which goes to say that if there was an alien life form that did develop something elsewhere, totally different thing. That might not even be biology. Biology is the study of cells and anything that comes from it, Life and whatnot. If these life forms are made from like helium or some s*** and develop some other crazy way to communicate, they could still stutter in theory, however the f***. Yeah. Glitching is inherent. Yes, it's universal.
Cristina: But is it stuttering or is it just making a mistake? Like, what's the difference?
Jack: A mistake is something you could have done properly but didn't. As opposed to a stutter which is out of your control.
Cristina: Okay, I guess. I don't know. I can't even imagine what they would be doing that's different from language besides like animal sounds.
Jack: Yeah, well, yeah, it's. Of course we can't comprehend how something that one, we can't prove is even out there and two, they develop something we don't understand. We're supposed to conceptualize that thing that we can't conceptualize.
Cristina: Yes. I don't know there. People try to do it in movies, I'm guessing. I just can't think of any.
Jack: It's based on our already existing wealth of information, which is based on our own existence. So there's no way anything that that really happens out there would look remotely similar. Because everything is based on what we have already experienced anyways. Even our new unique, not language way of communication only came to our mind because of our current existing way of communicating how we think Affects how we. I mean, how we communicate affects how we think.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So does language. Which is precisely what they wouldn't have.
Cristina: So how would they communicate, though?
Jack: Yeah. We couldn't. We could never think about it.
Cristina: Don't worry.
Jack: There's no point. We could never. Because we'd have to come up with something that we couldn't come up with. Because we don't have the tools to come up with it. Because it would have had to take a path that we can't understand.
Cristina: Like, even if they were talking to each other from mind, like, telepathy is how it's called.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Like, what would that sound like to us if we heard what? Like, would it make sense?
Jack: No, it wouldn't. It wouldn't be a sound. You're. No. It would look the way your thoughts look. Except you'd know they're not your thoughts. But my thoughts would be telepathy.
Cristina: Thoughts are complicated. I don't know, there's words sometimes images, other times.
Jack: Then it would play out like that.
Jack: It would. Whatever's necessary in your way of thinking. You'd think their thoughts. That's celebrity.
Cristina: But it would equal to my thoughts. It'll be similar. It will be understandable. Just because it'll be somehow trying to relate to something I've been thinking.
Jack: It wouldn't try to relate to something you've been thinking. You'd apply your already existing filters of life and experience to process the thoughts.
Cristina: Mmm.
Jack: And you'd also feel the emotions that go with it. That's why telepathy is so overpowered, right?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So you'd feel the emotions, you'd see the images, you'd hear the sounds, you'd. Every you. They're conveying to you the experience itself. There's nothing really for you to think about and be like, well, I didn't get it.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: No, because the point is, you instantaneously understand. They sent you the experience and you're like, ah, I get it.
Cristina: Ah.
Jack: So, like, it transcends the need for language. If an alien who's mastered telepathy were to show up right now, although you couldn't send them the message, they could send it to you and you understand it perfectly.
Cristina: Okay. And if we ever do figure that out, at least with technology, would we be able to communicate like that or. They would have to. They would need the technology as well. Probably.
Jack: No. If they can already communicate telepathically, why, what would they need the technology for?
Cristina: To receive our. Because we don't really have the ability.
Jack: They can Read our minds. They're telepathic.
Cristina: Oh. Okay. I don't know how telepathy works. It's like. I thought they were just giving you information, but they're also taking information from you.
Jack: I'm assuming they could. Unless it's one way. Telepathy.
Cristina: Which.
Jack: That could be a thing.
Cristina: That's what I was thinking. I don't know.
Jack: I was thinking of just our generalized telepathy. We can communicate back and forth. So you don't really need telepathy.
Cristina: No.
Jack: To communicate to someone who has telepathy.
Cristina: Because they should be able to do it back and forth.
Jack: Yes. They should be able to take your thoughts and put thoughts in your head.
Cristina: Yes. Unless you learn how to protect your mind.
Jack: Yes. Like Professor X. Yeah. With his helmet. No, wait, it's Magneto. Magneto, Meant to protect himself from Professor X.
Cristina: Yes. Who's a monster.
Jack: No.
Cristina: No spying on everyone.
Jack: Who? Mac? Professor X?
Cristina: Yeah. He's a creep.
Jack: I mean, he's a creep. He's not a monster.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That's interesting. I wonder. Man, there's so much weird s*** about. It Lands like, man, what if they took a different path? It wasn't. I'm always fascinated by that. Like, we have science and we call it science and whatever, and we'd call their stuff science. What if their s*** wasn't based on numbers? Like, what the f*** do we. What?
Cristina: Yeah, what.
Jack: What do we even do? At that point?
Cristina: It's pretty cool. I don't know.
Jack: We call it tech. We call it tech. A hundred percent. It shows up and we're like, oh, this is alien technology. Fine, fine. That makes sense. It's not. We're not wrong in calling it science and we're not wrong in calling it technology. It's exactly what we would call technology if we made it. And it's scientific now. How the is it? The question is, is it scientific? Right.
Cristina: Is it scientific?
Jack: Is it based on math?
Cristina: It has to be. I don't know. It doesn't have to be.
Jack: We think math is universal, but we also seek math in the universe and then find it. What if they're like, I don't know what the f*** math is. Never in my life have I heard about math. We just think logically and somehow have figured things out.
Cristina: That is crazy. I don't know what that would be like. That's crazy. That's really something. But I always like to think about the aliens that are. We can't even communicate. Not in any way. Like the moon, Water and the silent Sea. Yes, that's pretty alien. But you can't communicate with that.
Jack: Well, is it alive, is the question.
Cristina: I think it's alive.
Jack: The water's alive.
Cristina: Well, it's alive in the way that.
Jack: Like a. Like a regular cells. Yeah, that's garbage. We can't communicate with that. I mean, like intelligent life, because we're not like. Well, is that thing technologically advanced? Like, no, it's like a f****** puddle of atoms or some s***. But if we said, like, what creature came from that planet is more intelligent or advanced? If we were to. Whatever thing they used, they're just more advanced than we are. Is it math? They got them there.
Cristina: Is it math? I wonder. It has to be.
Jack: Why?
Cristina: It has to be something similar, Something. I don't know. It's hard to tell. But, like, what else could there be?
Jack: I don't know. We could. We would. The point is we wouldn't be able to think about it. Yes, but it's interesting to think about.
Cristina: Yes, it is.
Jack: But we wouldn't think of the thing like asking, what is it? Like, I don't know.
Cristina: Of course, we can't figure out what it is that we haven't met yet.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Or if we have met it, we don't know that we've met it.
Jack: So this is crazy to think about. Like, the fact that there could be a way to get to the same place without numbers.
Cristina: To the same place. Oh.
Jack: To same level of technology.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Now, here's the problem. We always look at space and we use our fancy super awesome telescopios and we.
Cristina: We make them bigger and better and stronger.
Jack: We're looking for us. We had a whole f****** episode about this. We're always looking for ourselves.
Cristina: It's the easiest thing to look for. Maybe. Yes.
Jack: But, like, the amount of crap we're probably missing in looking for ourselves, there's.
Cristina: No way to even imagine how you look for the other thing that's not like ourselves.
Jack: I know, that sucks, right? We're sort of trapped by our experiences.
Cristina: Yes. We have to meet this unknown thing to be able to find this unknown thing in other places. Like, if it turns out that the clouds are alive and can communicate with us, then we could find the technology we'll need to find other clouds that communicate. Like the first clouds that we meet.
Jack: Yeah. You mean the first clouds we already met?
Cristina: Oh, yes.
Jack: Or I guess the clouds we've listened to.
Cristina: Yes, because we have communicated with him already.
Jack: No, that's what we're training Steve for.
Cristina: Yes, well, that's what I Mean, like, once he's able to do that, then we'll be able to do it anywhere else.
Jack: Well, yeah, but I mean, like, people who aren't us, just normal scientists who doesn't know about the realities of the world, and he's out there looking for life and he's like, life? Life is entirely based on cells. Always. 100% of the time, it's like, you can't possibly know that, bro. Like, maybe. I'm not saying it's not, but just like, I'm definitely, like, sure. Like, I'm man, like, Neil Degrasse Tyson is the kind of guy who would 100% be like, no, if there's life, it's cellular.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: No, dude, you follow f****** science like it's a religion, bro. Then again, most scientists do whatever it is a religion.
Cristina: It is, it is.
Jack: I mean, they have a holy book, essentially, these science journals. It was written by people I don't know, and I will take their word for it. And his facts, the laws that were written long ago in numerology, tell us. And we follow those numbers according to the letter. We don't alter them. That's not the right way to do it. You follow the numbers as they are presented. Reinterpreting. No, no, no, no. We tell you what these numbers mean and you follow those numbers, you plug them in.
Cristina: Well, you do the same thing yourself, and then you can figure it out.
Jack: No, but you got to do it the way they told you to do it.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And then you got to get the same result.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Here's the prayer. You can go pray the same prayer that I gave Bob over there.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And then when you get. You're going to have a spiritual experience. Be sure to have that spiritual experience. You're going to have that spiritual experience. Don't forget. And it must be very enlightening. Just like Bob. Just like Bob's experience. If you didn't have what you didn't.
Cristina: Believe hard enough, I guess there's something was wrong with your science or your.
Jack: Math or your belief. Maybe you. Why didn't I feel the relief after I prayed? Pastor or priest or father? There you go, Father. Why didn't I feel better after praying? My son. So much darkness in your heart. You weren't convinced. You must truly want. And then pray, you. You have to believe it's gonna work before it works.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And then it'll work. And so here's an equation. And you have to do it the way I told you and believe you're gonna get the result that we told you're gonna get. And if you get the same result, then it worked. If you don't get the same result, then you did it wrong.
Cristina: Yes. And you should try it again for like a hundred times.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: And then we'll question it, go back.
Jack: And do it again. Can I do it my own way? Well, that wouldn't follow our logical steps. You got to do it the same way we did it and try to get the same result. That's the point, man.
Cristina: It's all the same.
Jack: Yeah. S***. There's nothing isn't f****** religion. Everything, everything is religion.
Cristina: How do we turn science into religion?
Jack: I don't.
Cristina: It is the same.
Jack: Yeah. Atheism is a religion. I have faith that there's nothing there. Let's get the f*** out of here, bro. What? Dude, the lack of religion is religion.
Cristina: Yes, because we can't help it. We can't help it, dude.
Jack: Everything is religion. Oh, my.
Cristina: You think aliens have to have religion?
Jack: Then that blows my f****** mind, right? They would have to.
Cristina: They would have to.
Jack: Or at least some of them. If there's more than just us, I am sure at least one civilization doesn't have religion.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But I'm sure, like, some out there must have religion. There must be somebody who's. Well, maybe there's s*** we can't understand.
Cristina: There has to be religion. If there's mystery for them, there's definitely religion, even if it's not equal to our religion. Like we just said, science is like religion. What if there is witchcraft is religion.
Jack: What if there is no religion, though? How would that look? How did they tell themselves how? Oh, so we go. We go to an alien planet and it's not advanced, it's an alien planet taking place in their equivalent of our 1800s. I mean, it's not gonna look the same, but I'm saying their technology is around that point. If we were to compare whatever thing technology they have, whether math or not, and we go and communicate with them and we find out they've never had religion. How do they explain their origin? Or are they just like. We don't f****** know.
Cristina: But they're not superstitious either. They're not like.
Jack: No, just like, way honest. No, just way honest. Just like if. If it's not provable at this precise moment, then it couldn't possibly be. Like, we just don't bother.
Cristina: There's no way. I mean, maybe, but it's just like, there's not many people like that.
Jack: Yeah, but think about it. There has to be a culture, an Alien civilization, that's just about being in the present. It's just the whole s*** is I'm now. I don't think about later or back then. It's just now. So. Hey, where'd you come from? Don't know. Never f****** thought about it. Not going to start now.
Cristina: What? How do they live?
Jack: Why?
Cristina: Why do they live?
Jack: No, not why do they live? What do you mean when you ask, how do they live? I'm like, why does it matter?
Cristina: Because it's weird. I don't know. They just live in the moment, but they don't have anything going on in the future or their past. Like, I don't know. They don't have anything. Like.
Jack: Yeah, okay, so the question would be. No, listen, the question b. If you don't have religion.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: You're an alien civilization. You don't have religion. What motivated you to make your first rocket? You have no right. So, like, we are gazing into the stars in the first place. Was looking for God, because we'd already thought about God. So if we hadn't thought about God, we're like, oh, just crap up there. Not gonna give a. Or would we be like, although there's no God up there, and that's still believe in something.
Cristina: Because even the scientists believe in something greater. They look up into the skies, they're still motivated.
Jack: Yeah, but scientists are following their religion.
Cristina: Yes. So, like, how could an alien not have something? But again, that's motivating them.
Jack: No, that's us just trying to push forward our own belief that based on our experiences. How you need motivation.
Cristina: But go into space.
Jack: Yeah. What if it's just like a natural conclusion as opposed to motivation. Like, they're not striving for space. As opposed to, oh, the planet's running out of resources in about this long. We should be out or find more resources. Other stuff up there. Our telescopes showed us. Or we built telescopes looking for more stuff.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And then we found it. And so now we build a rocket and go get it, and then we bring it back.
Cristina: What made them want to look up?
Jack: Running out of resources. Oh, they're running out of stuff on the planet. They're like, okay, it looks like we have.
Cristina: They're motivated to survive, at least.
Jack: Yeah. But not by religion. Not by something greater, just survival. And so they're sitting around and it's like, okay, we have a hundred years worth of resources left. That means we only have about 50 years to find new resources and begin acquiring that resource. And then they decide, okay, we're gonna find everywhere we're gonna look in our oceans, we're gonna look in space, everywhere. And then looking in space, they look up and I, oh, there's stuff up there. So then we need to get up there. And then they go ahead and make the rocket that would get them up there.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And then they acquire the thing at no moment that they have like, oh, God is up there or some s***. Never cross their mind. They've successfully just kind of been in the now.
Cristina: Like, I don't know how that's not possible, how that's possible.
Jack: I just explained it.
Cristina: But I understand. But like, if you have fear, then there's got to be something motivating too. I don't know. I don't know.
Jack: We don't know what comes after death. And we're terrified of what we don't know.
Cristina: And you think they know? They don't care about what happens after death.
Jack: They don't know what happens after death.
Cristina: And they don't care.
Jack: Who said they don't care?
Cristina: Because they don't. I don't know. Like, what do they think is gonna happen? They don't have any curiosities. They probably don't make up stories.
Jack: That's the part they don't do.
Cristina: They don't make up stories.
Jack: They don't make up stories. They. They prove things. And we can't prove that part. So why bother with it? We don't know what happens. I haven't the slightest clue what happens when you die? Well, your body stops moving. Do you go to heaven? What is that? Do you go to h***? I don't know what that is. Is there reincarnation? Not a clue what that is. It's when you come. I wouldn't know. Because that person comes back as a different person, back from when they're born. Do they retain their memories? Can I ask somebody? Were you in previous life? And they recall it as if. No. Okay, then doesn't matter because I can't prove anything.
Cristina: Ah.
Jack: What if that's their approach to everything?
Cristina: To everything?
Jack: To everything?
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: There has to be at least one. There has to be at least one infinity. There has to be at least one.
Cristina: But how many could actually be like that?
Jack: An infinite number of them in infinity.
Cristina: An infinite number of them, but not most.
Jack: No, but infinite numbers of them. Because now we're entering though the problem of, like, multiple size infinities, right? So you can have. What is it? Regular numbers versus prime numbers. You can have an infinite number of prime numbers and an infinite number of regular Numbers. But there would still be more regular numbers than prime numbers, even if they're both infinite.
Cristina: Yes. Yes. So I don't know. Like, there can't be that many. I don't know.
Jack: Yes. There's an infinite amount.
Cristina: There's infinite amount.
Jack: Infinite amount of. So crazy. Just civilization. Yeah. Or just not having religion. Something happened without religion in some civilization. That's the most important part.
Cristina: No religion.
Jack: No religion. They never made up a story. No. They don't know about lying. They don't know about storytelling.
Cristina: They don't know about storytelling. They don't know about lying.
Jack: Storytelling is making up.
Cristina: Oh, no fiction.
Jack: No fiction. There you go. No fiction. Everything is reality. Everything is fact.
Cristina: That's. That's really hard to imagine, but it could.
Jack: Maybe it's a thing. Is that what the Vulcans are based on?
Cristina: You don't think they have stories? I mean, like, even stories based on real events become legends and then become.
Jack: No, because then you're just remembering.
Cristina: Yes, but it changes over time and becomes a bigger, better story than it was before.
Jack: But you're not allowed to alter it for flare. You just say the same exact carbon words that you were given in the exact same way. Lucy went to the store. In human language. Lucy went to the store. Lucy walked to the store. Lucy was walking to the store. Lucy likes to walk to the store. Apparently, Lucy buys things at the store. Little by little, the same s*** is just said different ways. Lucy walked to buy some stuff at the store. Lucy walked to the store and didn't buy something. So maybe something happened at the store, and that's why. Okay, so little by little, s*** starts to change incrementally. Before long, Lucy was in a sword battle with the demon in front of a store to save the store from the f******. Okay, whatever. Okay, now Lucy walks to the store. Alien that doesn't tell fibs of any sort. Well, Lucy walks the store.
Cristina: That's it.
Jack: Lucy walks the store.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Tell it to the next guy. What do you tell you?
Cristina: So, will they be living that thing where. What was that movie with the guy who. I guess everyone couldn't lie, and then he eventually was able to lie. But before he was able to do that, all they had was history.
Jack: Yes. Yes, exactly. There's history. And only exactly as it was recorded.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Not as somebody told it, because their perception could affect it. So it has to be like, what's on camera?
Cristina: That's crazy.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And like, before cameras, that becomes weird, right? Like, how do you remember? Well, we. We didn't we didn't record anything because we didn't have the means. Eventually, we recorded the means, and now our wealth of knowledge exploded dramatically. And we have all this information before then. It would literally just be repeating things as exactly they were.
Cristina: That's how it was for us. You're talking about us now?
Jack: No, aliens.
Cristina: Talking about the aliens. Oh. Man, that's how they live. So lame. Or not lame, I guess. Like, for them, it's whatever. They don't care. But what would they think of us, though?
Jack: What do you mean?
Cristina: Seeing how different we are after learning about science. Like, they will learn about the science if we were to meet them, what would they think of us? Are we a mess?
Jack: I don't know. What do you think?
Cristina: Maybe. I don't know.
Jack: I don't know. I have never met. Never met an alien in this situation. I don't know how to answer that question. How would an alien that we could not conceive think of us, this fictional.
Cristina: Alien that we just made up?
Jack: I mean, it would baffle them. Can you imagine discovering what telling a lie is for the first time? Like, it's never existed in your life?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Making some s*** up has never crossed your mind. You've never had that thought ever. And then we're like, why don't you say something that's not real? Like, what.
Cristina: What if they can't?
Jack: Well, I mean, the concept might not exist in their head.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Look at it like this. Can your dog lie to you?
Cristina: probably not. I don't know.
Jack: Like, there's. There's deception, but is there a lie? There's like, if I walk away from it, maybe they won't see it.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But if you were to ask the dog, did you do it? Would he be like, no, that dog did it. Even if they did it, you know, is that a thought they can have?
Cristina: I wonder. I feel like I've seen videos of dogs looking at other dogs and exactly.
Jack: What video you're talking about, and the little dog is the one who did it.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: So the big dog is like, it wasn't me. Go f****** take charge for your f****** thing.
Cristina: Oh, okay. Who's being honest?
Jack: Yeah. My question is, could he avoid that and not be honest? Can your dog lie to you? Or is that a thing that we came up with? And, like, if you tried to explain lying to your dog, would your dog get it?
Cristina: I don't think so. I don't know.
Jack: Like, if they've never had the thought of lying ever.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Like, okay, we haven't Done this one in a while.
Cristina: What?
Jack: But we have a f****** quantum computer to run experiments on. We've been thinking about what to do with it.
Cristina: Are you gonna seem dogs can lie?
Jack: No. We're gonna take the quantum computer. We're gonna simulate a person who's been raised in a situation where nobody has ever discussed lying, ever lied, or told anything that wasn't factually part of history. And then when they're 50 years old, after never ever being presented with anything even close to what a lie might be. Mm, no fiction, no nothing. Everything is based in reality. And then somebody says, because you. The problem is to this person, you can never say something and then doubt the reality of it. So you can't be like. And even if you walked up to them, so you say something that's wrong, and they'd be like, okay, I guess that's right.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And then you're like, okay, I'm just going to tell them I lied. Well, they don't know what the f*** a lie is.
Cristina: How do you explain it to someone who doesn't get it?
Jack: Yeah. To somebody who's never had the thought. How would you explain this alien? How would you explain this person who's never experienced. How do you explain a lie? So we simulate this person in order to understand the alien that we're talking about. So we simulate this person 50 years old, never experienced a lie, never experienced a fib, never experienced fiction. Everything is science fact. Everything is in history books.
Cristina: Maybe it is impossible. I think of, like, if you try to point out things, they will still not get what you're trying to do. Like, you were just pointing out the sky, and we're like, okay, that's red. Like, if they knew the language and they knew what you're saying.
Jack: Yes. A human.
Cristina: Yeah. And you're like, that's red. But I know it's not red, But I'm telling you that's red.
Jack: They might think you're telling the truth and they don't understand how it's red.
Cristina: Yes. Like, yeah, okay. From your eyes, it's probably red. I don't know. But like, yeah. So what other ways will you try to convince them?
Jack: Okay, I grab a card. I grab an index card, and I'll write the words, this is an index card. And I'll be like, this is true. This is. This is true. This is fact. Put that one down. Then I get another index card and I say, this is a car. And then I show them the card. I'm like, this is what the lie is. That is talking about the card. This is saying the card is a car.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: That's a lie. Do you see how that works? And they won't necessarily get it. But with enough examples, you are. We simulate, you know, 50 year old guy, whatever, you are a male, and say, okay, yeah, it's true. Okay, okay, so what's the example you're trying to give me? I don't get where you're coming from. All right, now brace yourself. You are a female. That's the lie.
Cristina: Mm. Would they get that?
Jack: Well, with. Again, with enough examples. Yeah, we just keep doing that over and over. And presumably the stacked evidence or examples.
Cristina: If they understood it, would they get it, like, a point?
Jack: H***, yes. They would definitely be like, why would you do this?
Cristina: Yeah, I don't know if it'll be entertaining to them. Like, then if you show them a fantasy movie, would they be like, I don't. I don't get it. Like, interesting.
Jack: It would be a great party trick for everybody he knows who also doesn't know about lying. It'd be like a weird party trick to show up and be like, look what I learned how to do. Guys, this is you. Nep. Guys, gather. Gather round. Show them how to lie. Gather round. Guys, I'm gonna show you a thing I learned how to do that. You. It's gonna blow your f****** mind. You've never, never seen society, never heard, heard anything of this nature whatsoever. I mean, he's not gonna explain. He doesn't really know. It's like, you've never seen or heard anything like this before. He's gonna be f****** billionaire, bro. And he's like, okay, check it out, Check it out. Check it out. You guys. Blowing away. Blown away. Stacy's naked. Like, this is naked.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Wait, no. Stacy has clothes on.
Cristina: What are you talking about?
Jack: Yeah, you're. You're. You're confused. Stacy has clothes on. No, no. Stacy's naked. What are you saying? It's like. It's a cool trick, right? But what.
Cristina: What is happening?
Jack: Yeah, it's like the craziest magic trick. Like, I just walked out that door down the block, and you just saw me pop up in the door next to you. It's like water. Like, whoa.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: It's like Stacey's naked. But. But I know. I don't. I know she has clothing. Then that meme of that lady with the numbers ones and zeros flying in front of him, like, equation s***. Yes, that happens real time. Stacy has clothes. I know she has clothes, but he's saying she doesn't have clothes. I don't understand.
Cristina: Is there something wrong with him?
Jack: Yeah. Is he sick? Is there something. How, how, how, man? Maybe. Maybe I'm the one who's f***** up. Something's wrong in my head. It's wrong in my head.
Cristina: And I keep hearing. They think he's like, if enough people are listening, just think, oh, there's something wrong with him. We gotta take him to the mental hospital or to the. Where do old people go? Home care.
Jack: Yeah. Yeah.
Cristina: Like, they'll be worried about him.
Jack: Worried about him.
Cristina: Because even if he tried to explain it, he wouldn't be able to explain it.
Jack: He wouldn't be able to explain it. It would sound like gibberish.
Cristina: Exactly.
Jack: What the bomb say. He said, Stacey's naked.
Cristina: Like, even if he tried to ex. Yeah, like, even if he's trying to explain. To not go into a home care, like, it's too late. They're gonna put him away.
Jack: No, I mean, it would be. It would be too confusing. It would be too confusing. I don't think they would just default to that. They would really? Because he already, you know, warned them.
Cristina: That it's a magic trick, but they.
Jack: Don'T have a magic trick. But he said, I have a trick for you guys. Oh, so they're already thinking of it as a trick as opposed to. He just shows up, said, stacy's naked. What the f***? What just happened?
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: No, he's like, I got a trick, guys. It can blow your mind. Stacey's naked. What the f*** is happen. It's impossible. What? No, she has clothing. Why is he saying that?
Cristina: So they wouldn't think there's something wrong with him.
Jack: No, he just said it was a trick ahead of time. So they're thinking of it as a trick. It'd be crazy if I'm like, hey, I got a magic trick for you. Pick a card, any card. I don't get how this magic trick works. Send him to an asylum. Like, that's not how we react to things. He told us it's a magic trick.
Cristina: In the old days, it was like that.
Jack: Yeah, but he'd. Like. He told us it's a trick. It'd be crazy if it's like, I don't know what's happening. I've never heard of magic. So, you know, he said, I don't.
Cristina: Think they heard of magic, though.
Jack: Who heard of magic?
Cristina: Those people.
Jack: Well, no, you're talking. I'm giving you a different example about actual magic dude doing a card trick or something.
Cristina: Yeah, but would they know Magic. Would they know tricks? Like, if he did announce, I got a trick for you, would they know what he means by trick?
Jack: Who, the guy who's lying?
Cristina: Yeah, to the people who don't know what lying is.
Jack: Well, no, it would be like, I got a trick for you. Look at me flip my hat midair and catch it on my head. I did. Ta da a trick. And then you're like, oh, cool. It required a lot of skill and training to be able to flip it perfectly and land it on your head.
Cristina: Okay, so that gets picked.
Jack: Any card. Your card is Ace of spades. Oh, wow. Nice trick. It's very interesting. I don't know how he did it, but Stacy's naked. What the. What the. I don't get it. How.
Cristina: How.
Jack: They're not like. Well, it's f****** send a twin asylum. They're like, wow, this is the greatest trick I've ever seen.
Cristina: This crazy trick.
Jack: This is a crazy linguistic trick. Wow. It's like a tongue twister about that time Hitler did the thing.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Yeah, because they all. Everything is based on history, you know, as opposed to. As opposed to making up that, like, Peter Piper didn't pick no pickle. Doesn't make sense.
Cristina: There's a time a tongue twister about Hitler, about history. Oh, history.
Jack: Yeah. It has to be all there. Everything is based on history as opposed to making s*** up.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: They've never made something up.
Cristina: No. Okay.
Jack: And this is crazy, right? Because the other argument is everything that they've ever constructed needed to be built on, on top of something else with total awareness. Like, nobody ever had an original idea.
Cristina: They wouldn't have cities. They wouldn't know.
Jack: They would. They would. It's innovating. You'd innovate your way there as opposed to invent your way there.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Because you don't make anything up. Everything is based on crap that you'd had to have a thought about something that wasn't real first and then be like, no. It would be like, well, we need to push things. Well, how do we push things? Well, it looks like that round thing. When we put the rock on top of the hill, it just moves easily. Rolls all the way to the bottom. It's like, how do we put that rock on a box that we can push it in? Thus, carriages came to be.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Okay, well, pushing this carriage is fine in town, but I gotta take this s*** across town. Is there something that could pull this s***? Well, horses. Yeah. Okay. So far, we haven't had, like. We haven't vented S***, we just, you know, stuff that's already there, I use, you know, I put stuff in my crate, I pick up the crate, I walk to Bob's house. Okay, great.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: I want a crate with wheels so I can push it across town. Okay. So the Brock rolls. Put the Brock on the crate. Push the big crate. Okay. Got across town. Well, I need to get it to a different town. I need to get the crate to move fluidly and something that won't get as tired as I do. Oh, well, a horse. Okay, well, the horse is gonna die if I try to cross the country with him. Only on a carriage. So I need something. I need a way for this already. Well, what do we know?
Cristina: Five donkeys.
Jack: Five donkeys. Well, we already know that we can get energy, heat from like he creates energy. Maybe, maybe I could build a thing. Maybe I can use energy, trap energy and then make it shoot out some other place. And then that's gonna propel it so that it's not a living creature slowly dying. And I just need to fill that. Just cold. Yeah. Let's build the thing in. It's gonna shoot out the back. Okay. Coal like a train.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Eventually. Well, how do we. How do we make this self contained so the energy is happening inside? Well, gasoline, you know, get oil so they'll have oil.
Cristina: Pretty much a lot of the same things that we have.
Jack: Yeah, but innovating. Well, no, this guy that I'm talking about is just based on a society that doesn't lie. But of course the steps are there. It's just they only followed it through clean process. As opposed to somebody like, what if I put a f****** radio in a car? You know, it's like I'm a. Yeah. Car radio venting s***. Then again, somebody was like, well, I want music that isn't just sung. What if I can trap the. Their singing?
Cristina: Would they have music? They would just be based on history. Just be based on history or life history.
Jack: Like, and then some dude with a boombox because he wanted to record the thing was like, what? I carry my, my boombox in my car so I can music while I'm driving. What if it was part of it.
Cristina: Would have strange things like animal breeding.
Jack: What?
Cristina: Like, you know, like what we did with dogs. Like, I can see that with farm animals because you're trying to make it have more meat on it.
Jack: Yeah, 100% that would still happen. Most of to be real. Most of everything would be identical.
Cristina: But what about the crazy buildings we have or the crazy art on those buildings?
Jack: Probably not art would be problematic.
Cristina: It was just. It's just not art.
Jack: Mostly it would be art based on history.
Cristina: That is very interesting.
Jack: Make a fictional universe.
Cristina: You just accidentally make a fictional universe.
Jack: That's crazy, right? Because it's totally just s*** inside your head.
Cristina: Exactly.
Jack: And like, if you mess something up. Well, no, maybe they're always correcting it.
Cristina: Oh, okay. Like something like they put a window too big, they got to throw out the whole thing.
Jack: Like throw out the whole thing. It fits a painting. Well, I gotta wait until it dries and then, you know, shrink that window.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Again, everything would work appropriately. It just would function based on history. It doesn't seem like we need religion. It just seems more like we want it. Like after really thinking through the steps that would lead us right to where we are without ever lying about anything, without needing fiction, without even creating something original, you're just consistently innovating something that already existed. Base the thing on the previous thing, the end.
Cristina: There has to be differences. I don't know, but it's hard to imagine because we're still just basing it off of what we are.
Jack: Yeah. Let's say before we had mass travel and stuff like that. Right. Civilizations that didn't have a lot of contact with one another. What were the major differences? Right. What were like the real big. Wow. So we have. We had cowboys and drip, had pirates. More or less the same concept, but one on land, the other one in the water. That's differences, I guess. Like what, what are notable differences?
Cristina: We can find notable differences between countries.
Jack: Yeah. Countries that didn't interact for a really long time. Like the people there, but they had their own path they were taking.
Cristina: There's not many countries like that. I mean, I guess today P is the most.
Jack: Yeah, today. That's why I'm thinking backwards. I immediately said pirates and.
Cristina: But even in that part, that point, we were starting to like.
Jack: Yes, but we were. Starting is exactly the right set of words. So we weren't there. It was beginning.
Cristina: But you'd have to think of before though, because you're still getting some influence from somewhere else. The new place that you're. You're working, you're trading with and stuff.
Jack: Well, let's think just basic things. Some civilizations used a lot of copper, some used a lot of stone. So materialistically there were some differences.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Some civilizations built erect towers, others built pyramids. Weirdly enough, a bunch of people who did not interact ever had pyramids. Total opposite sides of the world. There are pyramids in Mexico and in Egypt. And it's like a highly impractical thing to construct.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Why they both have pyramids. Of course. The pyramids are vastly different.
Cristina: Yes, they are.
Jack: But like, what?
Cristina: There must have been a good reason. I wonder what the reason was. Need of time travel.
Jack: I mean, like, we know, we know that the pyramids of Giza had the f****** transporter and laser thing and that the pyramids the Mayans made had both rockets take off and had a matrix style system underground.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So like they're vastly different in that aspect as well, man.
Cristina: But even I don't know, I feel like everyone still get like, when they weren't traveling the world, they were still learning things from their neighbors.
Jack: Yeah. And their neighbors learned things from their neighbors and their neighbors learn things. So far enough, you learn from the guy across the world.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So if we got a telescope, aimed it at west, bubba. F****** the galaxy of who the f*** knows, where will we see pyramids? Will there be f****** alien pyramids? That's crazy, dude.
Cristina: North Korea is hiding pyramids. Maybe because they're like the only ones not communicating with everyone. But at the same time, everyone's sneaking in things from other places.
Jack: I mean, little by little they're opening up. In fact, we're pushing Russia into that spot now and we're taking them out. We're like, we already talked to Cuba and we're starting to talk with North Korea. F*** talking Russians. F*** the Russians.
Cristina: But the Russians will still get their information about other countries and will not.
Jack: As countries start cutting them off from who are they gonna get their information from their homies?
Cristina: Only from the web.
Jack: From the web, the Internet is going to be cut off. Oh, I mean, they'll have their own Internet, but they won't have access to connected to everybody else's. Internet will just be chopped off at every entry.
Cristina: The average Russian person, Russia the country.
Jack: The whole country from within Russia the country. You won't be able to do s***.
Cristina: Why would we do that?
Jack: Because they are attacking an entire other country and we're trying to stop them without war, which seems to be the only way. No, we're just gonna do what we did to the other countries that we didn't want war with. We just can f****** cut them off the same way we do with Cuba and the same way we do in North Korea. Just cut them off. You're gonna be cut off. You're gonna have no resources, gonna suck where you are and f*** you and your people, because we can't have you harassing everybody else and f****** attacking and Murdering everybody else. So we can do that. Then they won't have. They'll have their own Internet to communicate one another, but they can't communicate outwards. You leave Russia if you want to communicate.
Cristina: Mm. What would those. Those countries, those worlds, the one that doesn't lie. Would they have pyramids? What would those be for?
Jack: That's an interesting question. And they probably would, because nobody made a pyramid to lie in the first place.
Cristina: No, but they have the stories written on pyramids. I don't know.
Jack: Not all of them.
Cristina: Not all.
Jack: Maybe there are pyramids without stories written on them that just happens to be that they already like to write stories and there happens to be a pyramid.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Why not write the stories in the pyramid? But if you didn't have the stories, why would that mean you don't have the pyramid?
Cristina: Mmm.
Jack: It could be like, well, I need. I want a monument that represents me.
Cristina: Well.
Jack: My favorite shape is a triangle.
Cristina: Make a giant triangle.
Jack: Make a giant triangle and everybody's gonna know, oh, that's Pharaoh Bob.
Cristina: I don't know. That's so weird. I don't know. Such a strange thing.
Jack: Why?
Cristina: Because a pyramid doesn't have a purpose. Or it does, but we don't know what it is. So for someone to be like, imma make it just to represent me.
Jack: I mean, people do that all the time, I guess. And they don't need to lie to do it.
Cristina: No, guess not. Like, we have a pir. Not pyramid. What is that? The statues of the presidents all together?
Jack: Yeah. And those were all real people?
Cristina: Yeah. That's lame.
Jack: It's like a huge thing based on history.
Cristina: Yeah. So they should probably have all that stuff.
Jack: Yeah. I think really, really very little would change. A lot of it would just be the same s***.
Cristina: Yes. What would they do with their free time? I guess. No hobbies.
Jack: Read history books about the world. Build chairs. Because they're practical. They only build practical s***. They don't build non practical s***. Because it's all based on history and logic. You know, everything must serve a purpose. They'd be very literal metaphor, like poetry would tease. Unless it's poetry. It's just. No, because it couldn't. The word play would be hard. Right. So you would need lyric and flow, but you wouldn't have metaphors and wordplay, really.
Cristina: When it comes to Bob with. He's learned this trick of lying. Will he eventually learn other things by himself?
Jack: Maybe he would apply his entire wealth of knowledge to the fact that he just learned how to lie.
Cristina: Mm. So, like, would he be able to make art not based on anything.
Jack: Maybe if he was already a guy who. It would only extend from what he already does. So if Bob was already an artist, then. Yes, if Bob wasn't already an artist. There is nothing about learning how to lie that suddenly just makes him an artist.
Cristina: No, but I'm just saying, like, yeah, if he was artist.
Jack: Yes, if he was an artist. Because he's all red. He'd be like, how do I incorporate the lying into the painting?
Cristina: He remembers you saying, hey, the sky's red, so he paints the sky red. And what would people think when they see it?
Jack: They would be blown away. I mean, he would definitely open the floodgates.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And it'd be like, f***, that's crazy. He painted that sky red, but we know the sky is blue. It's just how. Wow, I need this art. He went the extra mile and did something I've never even conceived of. He made the Skyra.
Cristina: That's insane. That should be insane, right?
Jack: That would be crazy.
Cristina: First he said she was naked, now this.
Jack: Yeah, he's. He's just super, mega, ultra celebrity. He does the thing everybody's confused about. It's like hearing Alan Watts talk for the first time.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It's like, what? What?
Cristina: I wonder if it's the only trick, though, when he's telling the lie. Like, everyone wants to hear the same thing.
Jack: Oh, that would suck. It's like, no. Say that thing you said about Stacey.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Do the Stacy thing, man. Do the Stacy thing.
Cristina: That's all they want to hear. They don't care about anything else. Just tell us that thing about Stacy.
Jack: And maybe it's like.
Cristina: And then their p*** is just him saying it.
Jack: No. Maybe it's like, america's Got Talent. And it's like, yes. They think he's gonna do the same thing, right?
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And they want the same thing. But then eventually, he tops it off by doing something else. And holy s***, he just brought the fire.
Cristina: What could be crazier than Stacy is.
Jack: Nake points at his car and calls it a truck. What? What?
Cristina: What?
Jack: Do it again. Do it again. That's a truck. Oh, my God. Everybody. Yes, yes, yes, and yes. Oh, yeah. You're going to the next round.
Cristina: Wow.
Jack: Takes it to America's Got Talent.
Cristina: He wins.
Jack: There's a girl who just sings about history.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: There's a guy who tells a bunch of jokes about stuff that has happened.
Cristina: Maybe he can combine that with his art, because it's about making a huge performance type of event. Right. American Scout Talent.
Jack: Yeah, but what was he going there for? He was just showing the trick.
Cristina: Yeah, well, he can combine the trick with his art.
Jack: What, like painting?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Oh, like, here's my painting.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Like, whoa. I mean, yeah. He'd break the Internet.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Like, can you imagine the first time a red sky has ever been shown? Just. Dude. Everywhere on the Internet. Everywhere on the Internet.
Cristina: People would worry if people who don't know he's doing it. I guess that's why he has to announce it. But even if he announces it, there are gonna be people online who don't know, like, the video just goes to.
Jack: He came straight. There's no. Because that's not a concept. Anything that's not provable. They have no reference point to be freaking the f*** out, because that would violate their already existing nature.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So they would just be confused. The worry wouldn't make sense because they're worried about what?
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: You know.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Yeah. Man, I love this quantum computer. We could do f****** anything. Why don't we use this thing more?
Cristina: I don't know. We need to be more creative.
Jack: I know. We just need things to throw in there. Because we could do anything with the quantum computer.
Cristina: Yes, we should ask our listeners to give us some things to do.
Jack: Yeah. Tell us what the f*** to do with our quantum computer. What a perfect way to end this episode. Yes, Just tell us what to do with our quantum computer. We can simulate anything to any scale.
Cristina: Just tell us do to Bob next.
Jack: Yeah. What we'll do to Bob next. Yeah. Anyways, when it comes to all this kind of stuff, you guys know. You guys know what I'm about to say. There's other episodes, and you guys can go listen to those other episodes. Stuff.
Cristina: They don't know if it's their first time.
Jack: Well, if it's your first time, you can find all that stuff on the official website. Greatthoughts.info on Apple, podcast, Spotify, or anywhere you get your podcast. Presumably wherever you're hearing this at the moment is one of those locations.
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Jack: Or we will come for you. But also, word, of mouth is important.
Cristina: Yes, it is. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening.
Jack: Bye. Are we ever gonna address the fact that Hot Ones is basically stealing the hot pepper challenge or whatever? The. This. The one where they, like, review s*** or ask questions to each other. It's the same s***, but it's totally stolen idea, right? Answering questions while spicy s*** is destroying your mouth. He didn't originate that idea. He's just a really good interviewer who innovated it.
Cristina: Yeah, he made it better. He's an Elon Musk interviews Steve Jobs.
Jack: Yeah, he's the Elon Musk. He's a Steve Jobs of hot sauce interviews. I invented, but I made it worth it.
Cristina: Yes. What?
Jack: That's how it goes, man. Innovation is important. We need innovation in the world. Eventually, he's gonna become obsolete, and somebody's gonna innovate hot sauce.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Well, it's no longer gonna hurt. It's gonna be real uncomfortable only for that moment, and then there's gonna be a switch. You could turn. So we're really just gonna inject hot sauce into your veins. A new kind of genetically engineered hot sauce that, when I give you this antidote over here, disappears instantaneously. And now you get the experience of hot sauce and the instant cooldown of when you're done with the interview. And Elon Musk is gonna make that.
Cristina: Elon Musk.
Jack: He's gonna invent the thing, and then this guy's gonna be like, ah, we can use it for the hot sauce show.
Cristina: So what do you think he's gonna do with the country if he wins it in that epic battle with Putin?
Jack: That could already have happened. Depending when this happens.
Cristina: That could have already happened. Oh, yes. Good morning. Good morning. This podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great dots.info art by Zero Lupo, and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.