Rambling 225: UFOing

What could the real explanation behind UFOs be? If there are beings other than humans involved in these UFOs, which beings are they? And why does it appear that the Egyptians lead back to so much interesting stuff? The duo continue their deep dive into the UFO phenomena in an attempt to better understand and rationalize away the inconsistencies.

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Topics Discussed:

• Flat Earth
• UFO Sightings
• Atlanteans
• Reptilians
• Egyptians UFO
• The Sea People
• Government Technology

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your other host, Christina.

Jack: And on this show, we discuss humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I imagine, as I say, that there's, like, real, like, sound music playing that feels like something like wonder. Like wonder. You know, like link opening link from Legend of Zelda opening a treasure chest.

Cristina: If you weren't specific on what link you were talking about.

Jack: Rhett and link.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh, yes. Like, Retin.

Jack: Yeah, Immediately can. A different link. There's more than one Zelda that I can think of.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah. There's the Zelda that's also somebody's daughter.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Whose daughter? Zelda.

Cristina: The actor guy.

Jack: What actor guy? Tom Cruise.

Cristina: The guy who killed himself.

Jack: Ledger. Comedian Robin Williams?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay. Wait, he called his daughter Zelda?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Really?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He's the guy who did that?

Cristina: Why not?

Jack: Now, my question is, was Zelda a name before the game?

Cristina: No.

Jack: Or even if it was.

Cristina: Come on. He had to. There's no way he didn't.

Jack: Robin Williams was old as s***, bro.

Cristina: So he.

Jack: He had to have missed that age. He had to have. Dude, dude, dude.

Cristina: When was the first Legend of Zelda?

Jack: The first Legend of Zelda was somewhere in the 90s, maybe, like, late 80s.

Cristina: How old was he in the eight. Late 80s.

Jack: He was, like, 20s. No. H*** no.

Cristina: If he was not, like, if he.

Jack: Died, let's say 2015, and he was about 70 years.

Cristina: Was he.

Jack: How.

Cristina: You know what?

Jack: You know what? Yeah, check his age. Let's confirm. Let's confirm.

Cristina: He was a gamer, man.

Jack: He could not have.

Cristina: Gamer.

Jack: He could not. He was not a gamer, man.

Cristina: He was a gamer, man.

Jack: Let's find out.

Cristina: You just want to know his age.

Jack: Just his age. We're gonna piece this together.

Cristina: He died at 63.

Jack: At 63.

Cristina: 2014.

Jack: In 2014. So we'll round one year and say 2015 to make this math easy. Okay, so we jump back, I guess we don't really need to do that. We jump back 20 years, and it's 94. Right.

Cristina: So for no, 10. 20 years.

Jack: Yeah. From 20. From 2014, we jump back 20 years and 1994, and he's there, 43 years old. So we take away 10 extra years to make him. To put him in his 30s. This is in the 80s. He would have gotten into gaming in his 30s. No, I guess. I guess.

Cristina: No.

Jack: He could have.

Cristina: He could have.

Jack: If he played Atari and like that, then. Yeah, yeah, it checks out. He would have played it when he was older. He would have played it.

Cristina: Maybe it's like the craziest thing that's happening right now. Like, it's. The newest games just were made.

Jack: So. No, they weren't just made, but he. He survived having played the original games and then gaming collapsing and then Miyamoto essentially saving all of video games with his creations and support for creators.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. He was bigger geek than that.

Jack: What?

Cristina: He was not just a video gamer. He was a pen and paper role playing gamer.

Jack: No freaking way.

Cristina: They don't say the game, but I'm assuming Dungeons and Dragons, right?

Jack: Like there's many RPGs that's those things like the realm of Arda and stuff like that.

Cristina: Pen and paper role playing.

Jack: Yeah, it's the same concept. You just did do this one on a message board, but essentially you could do this with a pen pal.

Cristina: Whoa. Yeah, okay.

Jack: It's the same concept. You're just sending back and forth. The continuation to the story. In fact, the method of doing this began in that form originally. It later entered the forums because the Internet happened. But this was originally a sort of game you played with a pen pal where you can. Or you wrote a story.

Cristina: I'm finding so much about him though, right now. He was into anime and collecting figures. He's such a geek. He was such a geeky.

Jack: Whoa.

Cristina: Whoa. What a geek.

Jack: Robin Williams.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: Yeah, it's pretty cool. I dig it.

Cristina: Okay. That's very random.

Jack: He was into all kinds of things, man.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: What a chill guy. Was he a Weeb?

Cristina: He was a Weeb.

Jack: He was a Weeb. He was a Weeb. But was he had kids, right. Or was he like an incel. And we had no idea he had Zelda, which was his daughter.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that's how he got here.

Cristina: Yes. And I think he had two other children. I'm not sure.

Jack: Okay, okay, okay. That makes sense. Now the question is, would he have been an incel if he wasn't a famous comedian? If all other aspects of Robin Williams remained intact except him being a successful comedian, if he was the same personality, all the same traits, except he's like really good at factory line working.

Cristina: Does he have to be good at it? Can you just be a factory line worker?

Jack: That's what he applied. All because he still has all the same wants and desires to be good at something. Okay, so he's just doing that and he's Just like manager and some like that. Okay, so he's that guy. He's not. Robin William, the greatest comedian of all time. Great actor, drama and comedy. Great stand up and. Yeah. If all that's out the window. Is he an incel or is he just a guy?

Cristina: He might.

Jack: I don't know who. Who likes all those things but is still like cool and chilling. Could have bagged the same chick. Could even bag the same chick that. I guess that's my ultimate question. Could you have gotten the same woman or in any case with that woman? Is the question, is she a gold digger?

Cristina: I don't know. I guess they met doing the same thing. Is she a gold digger?

Jack: Is she a comedian?

Cristina: I have no idea.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: I have to go look up his life.

Jack: Where? Assuming that Robin Williams wife is a comedian.

Cristina: Assuming? Yeah, she's some type of actress.

Jack: Writer. Comedians and the date writers all the time. So do actors. Apparently writers are the easiest people to date.

Cristina: Oh, he was married a few times. Three times.

Jack: All writers.

Cristina: The last one, I don't know what she was because it doesn't say. Oh no, the first one either. The second one was a film producer and philanthropist.

Jack: Okay, so no comedians, but yes, somebody in show business.

Cristina: Just one. Well, I guess the other two were normal human beings. Who knows?

Jack: Normal people normal, but normal people see celebrity. He's exceptional. You gotta see celebrities all the time to get over it. That seems to be the thing. People are weird about famous people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So his being famous has a huge thing to go. Like I guess the question here because in the middle of thinking about this, my psychology on it broke up a million times and I considered all the different perspectives of. It's not just whether he would be an incel, but maybe he could get somebody who isn't that same person. What if she's just a gold digger? You know, like that conflict immediately formed in my mind.

Cristina: But if she was a normal person, then would he still be able to get a normal person?

Jack: Yes, because the normal person is somebody who would just easily say yes to celebrity. That's another problem. Okay, so you can't measure it based on normal person because they'll most likely. Well, I guess not most likely, but how good is your game?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like without you being super famous.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Are you capable of getting this one person who only said yes to you because you were famous? Could you get them without being famous?

Cristina: Yeah, like even the first one was probably like even if he wasn't famous at the time, she could probably see that he was Going to be a star?

Jack: Well, it depends. It depends how young he was, how far away from he was. There's no way to tell. Some people are exceptionally talented and never go anywhere.

Cristina: He said his active years, though, was. The start of. His active year was 1976. The year he got married with her was 1978. So did she see something?

Jack: Yeah, I guess that was his first role. What did he do?

Cristina: It doesn't say. It just. He started, I guess, actively becoming a comedian or actor or something.

Jack: A comedian is, I think is where he began. Says if that's where his career started. He got married, what, three years later?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then no, that lady was there though. This is like high school sweetheart or some s***. It's fire. So she was just the real human who was in it. Just cuz she knew him?

Cristina: Yeah, I guess. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: So, okay, debunked. He was just a geek.

Cristina: He was a geek. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. That's all. He. He was definitely not an incel. Because then if he was, he'd be unfortunate. No, that's crazy. That's what people say. I heard that joke a couple of days ago. I was like, what? I hang out on 4chan and I'm not a mental. But no. Yes. There's this perception that incels hang out of 4chan.

Cristina: How do we know you're not an incel.

Jack: How do what?

Cristina: How do we know? The listeners.

Jack: How do the listen.

Cristina: Oh, besides that you're married to a roach. I don't know if that's a positive thing or a negative thing.

Jack: It was. It's a female roach.

Cristina: It's a female roach. I don't know, like, it's just weird. So I don't know. That counts. That doesn't count.

Jack: No, I'm saying I'm not an incel. For sure.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I could bag the b******, but you bag the roach. Yeah. You judge. What the f***?

Cristina: Yeah, I guess, I don't know.

Jack: You a specist?

Cristina: What it was your plan to murder them without any, like, interaction with them?

Jack: I had nothing to do with any of that.

Cristina: You were very encouraging.

Jack: I was. I am. I'm not that guy.

Cristina: Oh, maybe you are not that guy.

Jack: I'm definitely not that guy.

Cristina: You are that guy and not that guy.

Jack: Doesn't matter. So look.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Those are aliens. The insoles, probably. I was thinking more of the roaches.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The. Regardless of what the case might be.

Cristina: The roaches back to Reddit. Somehow leading to aliens. I don't know. No, no, okay.

Jack: No, no, no. The roaches. The roach People. The cockroach people from Mars.

Cristina: Question mark.

Jack: That sounds right.

Cristina: I feel like. That's right. Then he destroyed Mars.

Jack: Replace it. Yeah, okay, okay. It wasn't the moon. What's on the moon? I'm sure.

Cristina: I think we put prisons there and.

Jack: We saw something on the dark side. I don't remember what we saw. Probably more prisons.

Cristina: Cat people.

Jack: Cat people?

Cristina: Lizard people. Well, that's not important. The aliens on Reddit, Is that what you're saying?

Jack: No, the roaches are aliens. And my point in saying that is it's possible that in the past we have seen. This is totally. By the way, last week we were talking about UFOs.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we just started talking about cockroach people right now who happen to be in space. So I immediately just started to think that perhaps, maybe.

Cristina: Maybe what?

Jack: These roach people could have been some of the UFOs we've seen throughout time. And guess what we've seen less recently?

Cristina: What?

Jack: UFOs.

Cristina: I think we've seen less UFOs recently.

Jack: Yes. There was way more in the past, and then they've slowed down. Which in return just means that destroying that planet of roach people has reduced the number of total UFOs sightings.

Cristina: Which makes sense, I guess.

Jack: Makes perfect sense.

Cristina: I think we killed all the lizard people, which probably have UFOs. Who knows?

Jack: Well.

Cristina: Or not.

Jack: Very interesting fact that you'd bring that up, because it seems. It seems that a lot of The UFO people, ufologists believe reptilians are some of the UFOs.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: That there are reptilian UFOs. That some of the UFOs that we have seen are reptilian people. Why?

Cristina: Because they saw them, I guess. Right. Is that the story? They've seen these aliens and they look like lizards?

Jack: I mean, I guess you could argue that the grays could also be reptilian. Or do they have gray skin?

Cristina: But if it's scaly, wouldn't that just mean they're reptilian? Like they don't have skin? I guess it'll be gray.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah, that's what I mean. Is it skin that they have or is it scaly?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: No idea. Anyways. Anyways, so I was thinking about UFOs and I was thinking like, the people who usually believe in UFOs are usually the same people who believe in flat Earth. There's a lot of crossover happening. So I got curious and started diving into flat Earth and trying to understand what the idea is behind flat Earth.

Cristina: And that's Gonna help you with aliens?

Jack: Well, I know that they kind of believe in the same things. I figured if I understand flat Earth a little more, then I'll understand UFOs more and then I can get like the psychology behind it because there'd be some crossing lines or whatever. And so as I'm going through flat Earth ideas, one current day idea we've discussed in the past, Earth exists. It's some sort of floating disc in space with a dome over it. There's an ice wall surrounding the edges of the dome. The dome is optional now because there's two different variants when we reach the dome. One version is the disk ice wall. You get to the ice wall coming out of the back of the ice wall too far for humans to reach because it's too cold or too hostile, or people don't want you to go there because laws or whatever.

Cristina: Land.

Jack: Yeah. No, it's the beginning of the dome that goes over your head.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And it goes over the entire. And all the skies in space and everything are splattered on the dome and we rotate beneath it and so we see different parts of the top of the dome with the sun on one side, the moon on the other, or I guess the moon moves at a different rate on that dome.

Cristina: Do they think we live in a simulation or something?

Jack: No idea. And the alternative is the one with the land on the other side, where on the other side of the ice wall is more water and more land.

Cristina: I'm just glueing it on.

Jack: Well, yeah, I guess. I guess that's more than one variant as well. So I guess we'll say three different options because yes, there is a limited amount of space in one version of this and there's just a lot of it held away from us here, trapped inside the ice wall.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But there's also the idea of like. Yeah, it just goes on forever and we're a tiny little piece caught within this ice wall.

Cristina: That's weird. I don't understand that makes the least sense. Although it all doesn't make sense. Like if it's live, it's unlimited. Why? Why be trapped in one spot?

Jack: Either somebody trapped us without us knowing.

Cristina: What's the advantage?

Jack: Don't know. It would be. It's. I mean, it's something so intelligent it managed to trap 8 billion people. It's beyond our understanding.

Cristina: Are we like an ant farm or something?

Jack: Exactly. Think about it. We could totally be.

Cristina: Yes. Okay, that makes sense.

Jack: Yeah. Like it's. Who knows? Or we just happen to be in a spot that's protected from some sort of condition outside of that wall, and that has allowed us to exist and develop long enough to question why we're in here. So there's no actual influence directly on us other than we happen to be some of the creatures that developed on Earth and happened to be protected from some worst thing that happens to exist out there that would have stopped our development longer ago. Maybe catastrophes happen out on the other side of the wall all the time, but the tidal waves can't reach high enough to come over the ice wall. And so colossal tidal waves that consistently destroy no man.

Cristina: Oh, so weird. All right.

Jack: You know, don't destroy us.

Cristina: The first one, though, is really strange because, like, do they think someone made this?

Jack: Some people do. God.

Cristina: It's hard to imagine. Okay, but then he's a physical thing, right? Like. Or not physical, but he's some kind of scientist.

Jack: Well, I mean, it's already theorized that God is some sort of scientist.

Cristina: Okay. If he's, like, what would be the point?

Jack: What would be the point?

Cristina: Yes. To put us in a globe and then have everything perfect. Like, it's really like we're just pets. Yeah.

Jack: Sort of trapped in a. In, like a cage of sorts.

Cristina: Yeah. Although I guess in all three options, we're just trapped in a cage as pets in some way.

Jack: No, in one of them, we're not. It's just absolute chance. There's nobody trapping us in here. We just happen to have developed inside of this container.

Cristina: Yeah, but aren't the. Isn't the government trying to keep us from discovering the truth that we are?

Jack: I guess more options spreading out would include the version in which now they're not. They're really not. But it still happens to be the fact, like, they can't be behind every conspiracy. But looking into flat Earth and trying to comprehend how flat Earth works, I came across those. Right. But I also wanted to find the origins of flat Earth, Weirdly enough. Weirdly enough. Flat Earth in current day seems to be essentially a religious belief from olden day, because early Egyptians and Mesopotamians all believed it was also a disk floating on an infinite ocean.

Cristina: Okay, but did they? There's proof that they did.

Jack: Yeah. I mean, their depictions suggest that. Which happen to be on pyramid texts and coffin texts depicting large oceans encircling land. It just happened to also be that way. They just believed it. It just happened.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So interesting. I didn't know.

Cristina: Very strange.

Jack: Yeah. Like, I knew it was a belief of the past, but this is almost a ritualized belief. This is almost religion.

Cristina: But how can you tell it's religion?

Jack: Because they're believing it with faith. And they're ritualizing the preaching, thinking, exercising the thought of. And telling other people of it and studying it.

Cristina: They're studying flat earth. They have flat earth research written on their walls.

Jack: They have flat earth concepts and ideas written on walls. I don't think there's, like, science going on.

Cristina: I don't know, like, some numbers involved somehow.

Jack: No, it just seems that they were, like, studying flat earth.

Cristina: What does that even mean?

Jack: Just. I guess studying is the incorrect word. They're writing down their ideas of what a flat earth could encompass.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, the Israelites had the added belief of a dome as well.

Cristina: I wonder what that comes from.

Jack: And they believe that the dome separated them from heaven.

Cristina: Of course it does.

Jack: Yeah. Not that the dome is heaven.

Cristina: It separates us from heaven.

Jack: The dome separates us from heaven. That's. That's a very Creature being studied. Visual.

Cristina: Yes. Something about the dome does feel like that.

Jack: Yeah. It feels like you put an ant in a bubble and you're watching it.

Cristina: Like people who keep Ansa's pets. And that thin, thin little. I don't know what that thing is called, but I've seen it. I don't know, in commercials. I think my brother owned one. It's like dirt. It's a plastic. It's like a thin glass of dirt and ants are in it.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And you can see, like, how they're living. You can see the tunnels because it's thin, but it's. Their tunnels are clear because they're digging.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: I have no idea what that's called, but that thing.

Jack: Yeah. It has the same kind of feel to it, this sort of being watched through the glass idea. If the heavens are above that and God is always watching us. What?

Cristina: Yeah. It's weird being watched. Is that what they all think? Although, I guess the whole idea of aliens is us being watched.

Jack: Yeah. But it's weirder that this almost leans into religion because the alien thing comes in later.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There is a lot of this. God is on the other side. Heaven is on the other side.

Cristina: Because he's watching us 24 7.

Jack: He's watching us 24 7.

Cristina: He's watching us.

Jack: Exactly. Well, the issue then begins when we go back to the Egyptians as opposed to the Israelites.

Cristina: Why? What's happening with them?

Jack: Well, the Egyptians really definitely believed that they were seeing things in the sky, floating the same way that today's ufo.

Cristina: I don't know what that is.

Jack: Today's UFO people believe in. These are images of hieroglyphs on the Egyptian. In many Egyptian sites, Ancient Egyptian sites. These are hieroglyphs. These. Okay, so this right here is believed to be symbolizing an alien spaceship. It could be anything. That's just a line in an oval shape. Yeah, this orientation is confusing.

Cristina: But there's a person in a ship or I guess that's what people.

Jack: Some sort of something.

Cristina: Something in a. Something El.

Jack: Yeah, it looks like something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And again.

Cristina: That'S the one where it looks like there's a bunch of different things happening there.

Jack: Yeah, there's a bunch of flying things that are weird.

Cristina: There's a helicopter, there's a tank. These are not alien. Those are.

Jack: No, these are just the future. This actually, this one brings up an interesting conversation in which. Are they just seeing the future of something we know? We. I still hold the theory that we're wrong about something down the line with the history about the Mayans, the Egyptians, the Atlanteans, and the old equator. Because I don't believe it was just like. Just for Jesus. I don't believe it was just for Jesus. There was something. Something was coming for them, and that's why not having Jesus. There was important. You know, it was about hiding Atlantis and hiding perhaps the Garden of Eden. But topic for another day. This right here, the order of this is a helicopter, either a submarine or a tank. And then a spaceship is showing progression, and one of them goes way into the field. Is this speculation or is it based on witnessing the future.

Cristina: So hard? It's so random, because right next to it is like some type of bug all the way over there, like this thing. It's very random.

Jack: And like grass.

Cristina: Grass. Like. Yeah, it doesn't. It could be nothing.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: I don't know. It could just be a symbol.

Jack: Okay, this could be a hat.

Cristina: There's a little one under it.

Jack: Yeah, that actually looks more like a hat. Is that a spaceship abducting a hat?

Cristina: I don't know. What if that's flat Earth? Do they have. Where's their photo of the flat Earth?

Jack: Oh, I didn't even consider that. I don't know, because this was the point.

Cristina: The hat eating a hat.

Jack: Yes. Well, now you think about it, that does kind of look like flat Earth, but. And again, what is that?

Cristina: I don't know. Because that could be the sun. And he's offering something to the sun because he thinks the sun is a God. You know, that type of stuff.

Jack: 100%. What part of that makes you think.

Cristina: That'S the sun because it looks like it's round and there's light. The lines look like sun rays.

Jack: What part of this is round?

Cristina: The top part.

Jack: You mean the half?

Cristina: Yes, people. Kids draw suns. Like really dumb looking too. Like you're not questioning like how, what they're making sun. There's a tiny part in the bottom.

Jack: I don't think that's the sun. This is clearly something else. That one's a stretch. That's obviously something different.

Cristina: That's. You think it's a alien?

Jack: I don't think it's an alien. I think it's something that's definitely not the sun.

Cristina: It's their God.

Jack: No, it could be. Yeah, it could definitely be there. Or not their God. It could be somewhere that their God is looking through.

Cristina: It's an eye.

Jack: It could totally be an eye, actually. Yes. That's exactly how they do their eyes, isn't it?

Cristina: It's an eyeball looking at whatever he's offering.

Jack: But the argument is that this is also a ufo. A ufo, of course, yes.

Cristina: It looks like an eye, so it's probably God's eye looking at the offering.

Jack: So, yeah, here's a collection of that stuff.

Cristina: That first one is weird.

Jack: That circle.

Cristina: Yeah, that could be anything. Like there's so much birds next to it. Like maybe that was just another attempt to make a bird and it's just really ugly. Just a really ugly rock looking bird. I don't know.

Jack: So the UFOs that they have seen line up with the fact that the people who believe in flat Earth today are the same people who do believe in UFOs. That theory checked out so hard. I found that the people who believed in flat Earth in the past also believed in UFOs in the past.

Cristina: Okay, but we don't really know that for sure. Like we can't talk to these people and be like, is that what you painted? Are those UFOs?

Jack: Well, let's break it apart. Their system can be converted to letters and then you could figure out what these mean. It was an Alphabet of sorts. It was consistent hieroglyphs told stories with words. So they always had to say, we've cracked their hieroglyphics. Language.

Cristina: We know what they meant, but these are being questioned. They're not like this is for sure aliens, are they?

Jack: Well, when we have one off imagery like that. But for the most part we can tell what they're saying about these things, even if we don't know what the thing they're referring to is. Because there's no other reference to the thing. Yeah, you get my point. Like, the rest of the language makes sense. It's just, what the f*** do they mean by this thing that they've never talked about ever and has no context? Clue.

Cristina: That's very strange.

Jack: You get my point. So when we see these images, you'll see the writing that tells you the narrative and the idea. It was here. This is what I think it was. But it's like now they're using words you've never had encountered, so it fuzzes out into nothingness. The language has been cracked, but you still can't compensate for words that have never shown. And if they have no words for themselves, they're just, for the first time, coming up with it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's a little hard, right?

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: Now they definitely believe that there was something going on. Some of these images are weird shots in the dark. Other ones.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Obvious ones.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You think any of them are obvious?

Cristina: Not that obvious.

Jack: Like the one with the freaking chopper in the submarine. That next one was obviously what it was. Just that looks like order.

Cristina: It could be the present, though. Like, that's not a. That doesn't scream aliens. If it looks so similar to what.

Jack: We have, it's being UFOs, not aliens.

Cristina: Oh, UFOs.

Jack: Yeah. It could just be a UFO. Just unidentified object.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: In that progression, like I said, I think it's just telling us a future.

Cristina: UFOs, but not aliens.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. It doesn't have to be aliens by any means.

Cristina: Okay, then. Yes.

Jack: That's, in fact, in my argument for most of this is that it's not aliens. I don't think it's coming from outer space.

Cristina: It's us. It's kind of sort of in different times.

Jack: Kind of sort of. I think in the past we see. I guess not in the past. When we look at these hieroglyphs from the Egyptians, we also see the same ideas and not even just hieroglyphs, but when they have. When we look into the writings and they're describing in Arabia. In Arabic. In Arabic, they're describing in Arabic things that come up, like the unicorn and like Pegasus and like the sea people. The context seems to be very similar to the ancient hieroglyphs. It would be surrounded by what, by crops? Like the grass we saw. It would be out in nature. That's why there's insects out there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so the same idea would apply to where you're seeing the sea people. You're always coming across them on top of mountains. Where there's woods, where there's trees, where there's nature, where there's birds. So it kind of falls in line that although later they have a literal word to describe the flying thing. They were talking about the flying thing in other contexts. We were seeing other technologies that were from the Atlanteans.

Cristina: Is that what you're saying?

Jack: That's. That's. That's my theory on this. Because again, they shared the technology, so they showed up. They didn't just show up one way. It wasn't just all this magic looking s***.

Cristina: Yeah, they had tech.

Jack: They had the ability to move their entire civilization from the Persian Gulf oasis to the Atlantic Ocean.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: They're up there. And so we see their genetically modified things and we're like, that's badass. But we see they're totally not animal machinery and technology, and we are baffled. We can understand a horse with wings. You're like, oh, we've seen wings. We've seen horse. That's kind of weird. It's a horse with wings. What do you do when there's just a disc floating and they come out of that? You're like, oh, what did I just witness? Okay, you've never seen any form of technology ever? And then they roll up to you on a flying saucer and then a light happens and they're just in front of you like, Tad.

Cristina: It's like, whoa, crazy. Okay, so, yeah, I guess it could not be aliens and still be UFOs.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. It's just crap we. We're unfamiliar with, but it kind of checks out with the greater narrative. And then when we look at certain things, like the context behind hieroglyphs showing us spaceships and Egyptian. What is it again? It's not Arabic. It's Arabic. Arabic. Arabic. Okay. Showing us in Arabic texts in the same context, except it seems that almost things are swapped for Pegasus or Unicorn. Then we're talking about interesting lines crossing where it's potentially the same thing, just discussed in different forms and different times. Now it's really weird. And what's weirder is that there doesn't seem to be mentions in those contexts in hieroglyphs where we see a. A horse with wings. And there doesn't seem to be context in Arabic with ancient Egyptian texts where they specifically mentioned UFOs. It seems to be like, strictly, yes.

Cristina: But like, how do they believe in Flat Earth and the Dome and all that? And you can see all these things, and that's what brings up space.

Jack: Yeah, that brings up a lot of questions. Right.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, if they're so accurately mapping out what's happening above and simultaneously believing that the Earth is flat, how's that possible? Unless it's exactly the truth.

Cristina: Or they figured it out eventually. Like, one could be older than the other.

Jack: Interesting idea. So the concept would be that these original group of people eventually figured out that the Earth was round.

Cristina: Maybe. I don't know. It's hard to tell because I don't know anything about all the different things they have written on their walls.

Jack: And there are many.

Cristina: Yeah. And how many had. Like, it's probably gone from history.

Jack: Yeah. Just because it eroded over time. I'm assuming a plethora of things have suffered that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, I do think that we are seeing Atlanteans consistently throughout time because they've outlived us for quite some time. But I don't think that's all of it.

Cristina: You think there are other things?

Jack: I think there are other things. We took out the reptilians from Universe 2, because that's kind of how we got there. Because they were coming in from universe 2 through the core of Earth where they had their portal. You remember the whole shtick that happened.

Cristina: It's hard to say which one. They came from this universe too, actually.

Jack: Portal. And they were from the Mars of that universe, instead of cockroach people.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. You remember. So then we took the planet, enslaved all of them, put them in prisons and the good times or whatever. So we go, we get rid of the Reptilians, we confiscate the technology. No more Reptilians coming through. Mainly because we destroyed that planet, which means we also. We destroyed Earth entirely. Because Planet X definitely crashed into that.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, it did.

Jack: And there's nothing. There's no more portal to come through. Oh, well. Oopsie. We made an oopsie. Yes, we made an oopsie. But we had Reptilians on this side that were not alien. They came from our core. We don't have Reptilians in space. People have also concluded this on the interwebs and in places like Reddit, come to the conclusion that it makes absolutely no sense to believe Reptilians come from space, because Reptilians, on average, come from the core of the planet. Duh. That's why we destroyed. Okay, makes perfect sense. No, but they really believe that they live from the core. They came out. They're not aliens. No, they're Earthlings.

Cristina: That makes sense. Yeah, we have dinosaurs and stuff like they. There's animals that they Lost from. Or they have relatives too, like we and the apes. The same. Same.

Jack: So the argument is that you would need to be in locations where you can access the core of the planet. You'd need to enter locations that could take you through passageways to the center of the Earth. And locations that would allow you to do this would be one, the ocean and two, volcanoes, because they have magma tunnels.

Cristina: Okay. How can Italians go through that?

Jack: Well, the idea here would be we've seen UFOs like we discussed on the previous episode, to have the ability to traverse all form of terrain, go from water, but never air to space, to enter into. Well, this couple, and I forget where, was taking a photo of this volcano you see before you. And what they saw come out of those.

Cristina: They saw that come out of it.

Jack: They came out and then shot to the left. Interesting, Interesting. So looking deeper into that, I came across a couple of instances that people have described in seeing exactly the same things, usually around volcanoes in which something pops up just a couple of hundred feet directly above, just fly away and skadoodle in a random direction.

Cristina: You have a collection of photos.

Jack: No, this is the only one that was photographed. But people were like, yep, seen that before.

Cristina: Whoa. I live next to a volcano. I don't want to live next to a volcano. But that would be cool.

Jack: So this kind of fits the idea that there would be a ship that is coming in. I mean, it's freaking coming in and out of a volcano. First of all, the volcano has magma in it, and so it's going through that and just making it, which means that technology can just handle it.

Cristina: Yeah. But so far, all these UFOs are from planet Earth.

Jack: Yeah. We're not seeing anything in space. We're not out there to see anything.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It'd be crazy if we were.

Cristina: Lots of stories are like they came from out there and are visiting us here.

Jack: What story?

Cristina: People's stories.

Jack: Who's seen it?

Cristina: I don't think they've seen it, actually. No.

Jack: They've never seen a UFO come all the way from space. It would look like a dot.

Cristina: I'm guessing the aliens are saying that. I don't know. Or maybe they're just assuming that.

Jack: I think they're just assuming. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think there's any proof for something from outer space. All this crap like these aliens are.

Cristina: Telling them their backstories.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Oh, wait, some of them do. I'm pretty sure they're like, yes, we're from that sun.

Jack: Oh, yes, yes. That happened with. With Bob Lazar. And his alien friend, who we'll call Elvis, because that's the only one I remember from perfect Dark Elvis.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Elvis was from Zeta Reticuli or some like that. You remember. This is the name of the planet that Bob Lazar's friend Elvis came from.

Cristina: Sure. But yeah, so there's that. But then you're saying maybe there's not that.

Jack: What, like rays?

Cristina: Like aliens from out there? No, I don't think they're that are visiting us. I mean, I mean, there could be aliens out there, but that doesn't mean they're visiting us.

Jack: Well, I do believe there are a couple of instances that are simultaneously taking place that explain away what we see when we see UFOs.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Well, I'll take you down the theory of events. My. My theory on the series of events. I believe first The Egyptians saw UFOs constantly. But those were the sea people they were showing us the sea people that they saw frequently. That was step number one. A lot of those hieroglyphs were just that it was them. Like, whoa. The sea people rolled up instead of a horse. It was in a. In a dark dish and the light shot out and they just like popped up and they were like, cool. We come to trade with you guys again. It was like, whoa. They didn't show up in a horse with wings this time. They showed up in a flying plate.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: Definitely. Now, I also believe that a large sum of the UFOs we see are actually literally technology controlled by the United States government. Like, yeah, they're testing. They're really testing. And they light all the time.

Cristina: How did they get those things?

Jack: Nah, some of the whacker we see is our own. Not the better. Oh, some of the wack is lamest. What was it? It was like a super advanced plane. It was a super advanced plane. That's what it was, bro. It was just a super vance plane. And they're lying to you and they don't want. They're scared of everybody. Our government's so paranoid. They're like, oh no, nobody can know about our secret tech. And copy it and copy it. And then we're gon are super $80 billion richer than we were before. But it was already 25 of our entire budget.

Cristina: Yeah, like who's gonna do that?

Jack: It's us, okay? Like, yeah, they got all the jets, all the sorts that you've never heard of and have no way of researching because they don't want you to know or anyone else to know. They're super Secretive super secret agent man. They do that with everything they do. Super secret agent man with everything. And then they give you the wackest s*** they could think about. They're like, what's the bottom of the barrel? Give that to the f****** people. Our government can go f****** invisible if we want. That's some real. That's not even secret. That's just how advanced it is that we know of. Yeah, like what? You got jets that could just disappear in the sky. Now apply that logic to something like way better. That's just what we know about. They got better. Simple. It's just f****** tech. There's a lot of it.

Cristina: A lot of it. Okay, yeah.

Jack: So we got the sea people who didn't. I refuse to believe they're just invisible in some other universe right now. There's some of them around here. They're roaming. We see some of them. That's probably the high. Some of the higher end stuff. We see that. Wow, looks so confusing. And like, how are they doing this? It just went from water to sky without missing a beat. How do you do it? Definitely see people to advance. It's gonna be crap we don't get. And yes, American technology, foreign governments with their own. That looks different because we lie. We get lied to by our government. They show us. Oh, their jets look like our jets. But it's like, what if they're super advanced and look different? I don't know. I haven't been over there. You're just making us think that we're strong, whatever.

Cristina: But then there's a lizard.

Jack: Then there's the Reptilians. They're still not. Everybody's just seeing them come out of the volcano. There's a million other places they could be and be heading. So you could see it going on.

Cristina: Okay, yeah, simple.

Jack: So now we're getting a collection of a bunch of different crap in the sky, all of which came from Earth. Yes, a crap ton of it. All of it came from Earth so far.

Cristina: And time travel, yes.

Jack: Thin places specifically are one of the best because again, you'll be traveling in a plane in the future where there's way more s*** in the sky because everything is run by AI and they're not crashing into each other. So you can have the sky flooded with things and somebody for a split second enters through a thin place, shows up somewhere in the past that they shouldn't have. They don't see it. The sky looks the same to them. For a split second it happened. You look up, see something crazy in the sky that Looks like an alien. Then it popped back into its time because it went through a thin place. Boom. The sky in the future is flooded with that. There's no way reality is absolutely stable. Entropy is real. Thin places are everywhere. We're just not populating every inch of everything. So we don't come across them often. Because most s*** is empty space. I am sure if we filled out way more of that empty space, thin place interactions that happen all the time.

Cristina: We would never know.

Jack: We would never know. Neither would the people on the ships or anything. You just flying in your plane, go through a thin place. It's a split second somebody in the past saw you. Now you're back where you should be. You never notice, even went through it. Your thing glitched for a split second and you're good.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: And now we're seeing the sea people just kind of living amongst us because why the h*** wouldn't they? We're seeing Reptilians among their trips to wherever. We're seeing ships from the future slipping through thin places. And we're seeing government technology probably aware of all this other s***. Also very paranoid on their own like, well we can't. We gotta. I guess they might even be right. We're over here making fun of them for over investing. They're the only smart ones. They're like these m************ can just, just go from water to land. We can't do that. We're so outgunned. Dedicate more money to the. We're too slow in catching case. Well, I mean let's be real. Any of these things that we've seen, dude, we have nothing that can. We don't. We couldn't conceive of how we would traverse lava.

Cristina: No.

Jack: We have no concept of what that is. If something could do that, it is invincible to us.

Cristina: Is there any amount of money that can help us fight lava over time?

Jack: Maybe. Maybe we'll invent something that could tolerate it. Yeah, some. You vet some sort of element, they could deal with it for sure. For sure fact it'll happen in the future, but it's not the fact now. Anything we encounter that could do that is invincible to us. It's indestructible to us. There's nothing we could do to harm it.

Cristina: No amount of money currently no amount.

Jack: Of money we'd have. I mean you could probably throw enough money at a guy and he would make it out fair enough. Means some amount of money will trigger a chain reaction of a bunch of geniuses coming together and solving the Problem. It'll happen. You could. You could solve it with money.

Cristina: I don't know. That's a lot. A new element.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You dedicate in it. We could solve cancer overnight. Just give it to the right rich guy. Give cancer to the right rich guy. Guarantee you give cancer to a lot of rich guys. And then make it so only the. So the scientists only jump on it if the poor people get paid for us, I guess. Well, they'll throw all the money at the poor people, I guarantee you. And then all the poor people be like, yes, we agree. And then it's solved. And all the poor people have the cure for Cancer Institute. Rich people, they don't care about that. They just want more money. And they're invested in the freaking hospitals or whatever. Not the hospitals, the pharmaceutical companies that are selling the medications or whatever. More money. But anyways, I think. I think that's the collective image of what we're seeing, of everything. Yeah.

Cristina: And what about the dome lid that we have, or whatever you want to call it? Do you think that's there?

Jack: I don't know. Because everything I just described did not need to cross that. I have described nothing that needed to cross that barrier. Which is the craziest part. All of it fits, including the dungeon. As of now, all of the things could be happening. They're all UFOs, crap we do not know. Have not identified. Are not familiar with all these creatures, including the reptilians, the sea people, the United States government. And what the h*** am I missing?

Cristina: Reptilian.

Jack: Oh, and thin places, which are just. Yeah, the future people. So all of these things put together, that's for four different collectives happening simultaneously on Earth.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And none of them, not one crosses that barrier into, through.

Cristina: But we have. Does that not count? Yeah, that breaks all of that. Or does it? Or are. But I guess those people think they didn't really.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no. Well, the argument you are questioning is probably incorrect because look at it like this. Did you go through the Earth to the other side or did you go upwards? And who says you ever reached the.

Cristina: Dome when they touched the moon?

Jack: Yeah, who says the moon is. It says that the moon is within the dome. It's under it, not over it.

Cristina: It's under it.

Jack: Yeah. The moon is under the dome. They got to the moon, right? Yeah, that's underneath the dome. Cool.

Cristina: Okay, so anything around Earth is on this dome.

Jack: It's either on the dome or in the dome with the other stuff in the dome.

Cristina: Okay. And every star we See or not those.

Jack: The stars we see are on the.

Cristina: Dome and the planets are on the dome or they're not on the Or. You said it could be either or.

Jack: It could be either or. I don't know. I know that the moon and the sun are on the dome or in front of it.

Cristina: In front of it. Okay.

Jack: Difficult, because both. I've seen both depictions. I've seen a sun hovering just below the dome and a moon hovering just below the dome and those things kind of spinning around. So I don't really know where anything really stands when it comes to that. It could be either. Or.

Cristina: How does the sun get in front of the moon?

Jack: How do you mean?

Cristina: When we're spinning and you know, sometimes the moon, I guess eclipses. How do eclipses happen?

Jack: How do eclipses happen? Yes, that's. That would be, I guess, an argument completely against.

Cristina: I guess we're not trying to really argue about anything. We, at this moment, though, we're not trying to disprove flat earth.

Jack: We're not trying to disprove flat earth. We're not even trying to prove flat earth or anything. We're just talking that it seemed to have been the same people. And that did leave me to some conclusive thoughts about what we're seeing when we're seeing UFOs, okay. Which again is American. Not American, just government secret military weaponry in the form of flying objects. We're seeing the sea people who are ancient earthlings that are very technologically advanced lizard people. We're seeing Reptilians who've been here who the h*** knows how long. Reptiles live crazy amounts of time. They could have been here before the freaking. I mean, we'd literally considered that what they were using was magic and not just hyper advanced technology. We questioned it with the Atlanteans. We did not have a. We had to work our way back to technology with the Reptilians, we thought it was just magic. That's how far. So their s*** is older. Older.

Cristina: Are the cat people older or they're not involved in any of this.

Jack: Well, the cat people, I think might have just stolen reptilian technology because it looked too much like magic.

Cristina: But they're from here or not? Do we ever.

Jack: Cat people are from here.

Cristina: Yeah, but they left here. Yeah, okay. Because I know the only people they really involved themselves with were the Egyptians, I think. Or at least the Egyptians seen them.

Jack: Well, they were Chimeras from the Egyptians.

Cristina: They made them.

Jack: The Egyptians made them. It's a Planet of the Apes scenario with cats.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. First they made these chimeras. These chimeras. And overtook society. And that's why they forced people to worship them, make giant statues of them. And then the people also got smarter and stronger. The war happened. And then these people decided to split into two groups. The people who are gonna contain the humans under control for as long as they can, and then the ones who would leave with all of the technology and advance it. And. Yeah, that's the story of cat people.

Cristina: Okay, that makes sense. Yep.

Jack: Yep. Anyways, this is basically my image for what I believe the UFOs are when we see them in the sky. I do have one additional thing for you.

Cristina: But. What? What? What?

Jack: It is an old video of a.

Cristina: Of a cat person. Of a lizard person?

Jack: No, of an. Of a spotting. Like a people spotted a ufo. A ufo. And I remember seeing this very video a long time ago. And you probably saw it too. Okay, so here you go. Here's a video. I'm sure you've seen this before. Where these people are driving by the ocean and then they see that impossible formation of lights in the sky. That's absolutely freaking nuts.

Cristina: That could be us.

Jack: I think those are Atlanteans. This was over the Atlantic Ocean. That's multiple different sources of light all way off in the distance, hovering over the ocean. I think those are just aligned ends.

Cristina: That's pretty cool. Like it?

Jack: So, yeah, that's my theory. Showed you some proof, some. Some arguments, some thoughts, some videos, pictures, photos, photo evidence.

Cristina: Sure.

Jack: Of things and stuff.

Cristina: Sure were things.

Jack: Exactly. It was the most thingy of all things. I actually have one more thing to show you.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah. This is the literal last bit of it. So here is a map of the sightings, all the sightings ever recorded. And this is the United States of America, which is.

Cristina: So where most people are populating is where we're seeing them.

Jack: Yeah, essentially.

Cristina: Crazy. Crazy.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: We'd have more planes too, you know, but what?

Jack: Yeah, Interesting. Where there's more molar sky activity. We're seeing more UFOs.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What? What a coincidence.

Cristina: Although there are some cities, like. Look at that. If those represent cities, those are not being touched at all.

Jack: No, those places are not being visited at all. And those places are populated.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting. And now let's go down a quick list of the places.

Cristina: The top places, the seats.

Jack: Top states. Because the United States is factually the country with the most abductions. So let's go through the states with the most abduct.

Cristina: Okay. Abductions. Not even.

Jack: Not abduction. Sightings.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: These numbers would be absurd if they were abductions.

Cristina: My bad.

Jack: Okay, that's like so in 10th place, North Carolina, 2273 sightings. What we got Michigan, 2451. Ohio2907. Pennsylvania 3142.

Cristina: Is there ever gonna be like a real crazy jump?

Jack: Oh yeah. We could just ignore all of these and get to the fun stuff because then we get to these top number states up here and we get California.

Cristina: 11,000.

Jack: They have 11,202 sightings.

Cristina: That is ridic. But they're huge. California is huge. It's the whole one side of the state. That's not fair, is it?

Jack: Nope, nope.

Cristina: Like if it was like, wait, what was number one? That was number two.

Jack: No, California.

Cristina: That was number two.

Jack: No, CA was number one.

Cristina: What's number two? I want to see what's number two.

Jack: Then what's number two? I already got out of there.

Cristina: Because California doesn't count.

Jack: Why does California not count?

Cristina: Doesn't count. It's too long.

Jack: Number two is Florida with 5,113.

Cristina: How many?

Jack: 5,113.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: So yeah, that's what I got. I wanted to unpack some of the UFO things and see if I can make some connections. And I do believe, believe that there are actual connections to be made relative to UFOs and it's already hidden in all of the pre existing information we have. And it's all earth related, which doesn't in any case disprove flat earth, which is how it got to UFOs in the first place, as I was trying to figure it out. But that's concerning to some degree, I suppose. Again, like, what if we just haven't reached the dome? What if there is a dome and we haven't reached the dome?

Cristina: I don't. I don't know.

Jack: Right. Like how would we prove that wrong?

Cristina: Yeah. Until we reach it.

Jack: And here's the other part. This dome or firmament, what if it's not around the like attached to Earth? Specifically, what if we are in a dome, but it is what we consider our universe?

Cristina: That would be impossible to tell.

Jack: Well, that's the same idea behind like the infinitely long ocean and then just a firmament fixture over you. Infinitely up. If the oceans go on forever, then there must never be a point where the sky and the water meet. It just goes on forever too.

Cristina: Okay, Right. Then we wouldn't be in a dome.

Jack: Yeah, it wouldn't be a dome. And we can never reach the top. Yeah, because there is a top. It's just infinite and unreachable because there's no. You couldn't scale up anything to reach that thing. You have to go. Go straight up. I suppose a plane would do it. But then why can't planes. Why aren't planes hitting the dome all the time? They can't reach. But what about rockets? There's so many holes here.

Cristina: We're not trying to prove where this robot.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyways, anyways, I do believe that this is a good explanation for UFOs. All of it comes from Earth. It's all some form of tech from one group of advanced something or another. And also thin places from the future. The end.

Cristina: The future.

Jack: All of which topics we've discussed in the past. And you can talk to us about them on all our platforms, contact us, tell us what you think. What are these UFOs? You can hit us up at our Socials JustConville pod, at TikTok, at Facebook, on Twitter, on Instagram.

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Cristina: Are you speaking like that?

Jack: Why wouldn't I?

Cristina: Does someone who might like the show know about it? Yeah, more of the same thing.

Jack: Because word of mouth.

Cristina: Exactly. Okay, this has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye now. There's nothing underneath the Gulf coast other than a bunch of old structures. And in the Bermuda Triangle there is also a bunch of remnants, but it. We can't. We can't really explore the true depth of it. So the argument is they either moved there or the Atlanteans were two groups of people.

Cristina: That doesn't make sense, does it?

Jack: Well, for example, the Portuguese are two groups of people. The Brazilians and the Europeans.

Cristina: How close are they?

Jack: They are across the world from each other, literally. Some are in Europe and the others are in South America.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister. With social media managed by Amber Black.