Rambling 210: Giving Ideas Power

How do things get their value? Where does power come from? How do you strip an idea of power? The duo discuss the tremendous power of ideas and how they can affect people and those around them when enough individuals give the idea power.

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Topics Discussed:

• Queen Elizabeth II
• Power
• Government
• Money
• Billionaires

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is a show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in amazingly awesome ways.

Cristina: The best ways.

Jack: In the best of ways.

Cristina: No one does it better.

Jack: Who can?

Cristina: I don't know. Trump can.

Jack: Trump can do it better.

Cristina: Imagine if he had a podcast.

Jack: If Trump had a podcast.

Cristina: Yeah. I would love to hear about his conspiracies. That's all he'll talk about.

Jack: How are you sure that that's all he'll talk about?

Cristina: Well, that's all I want to hear.

Jack: Okay, see, that's very different than that's all him he talks about, because I doubt that's all he talks about. It's not just an infinite number of conspiracies, so. Yeah, but there's also, like, an infinite amount of boasting that has to happen. He just has to talk about how great he is at things and how awesome he is at things and stuff.

Cristina: Mm. But then there's also his weird conspiracies, so.

Jack: Okay, you think he could do an entire show on, like, three conspiracy? He holds.

Cristina: Maybe.

Jack: Okay, list all his conspiracies. If it's more than three, I'll be blown away. Because the thing is, people make more of an exaggeration about the fact that the president has conspiracies, and they make it seem like he's drowning in them. But, no, he just has conspiracies. He believes it's, like, three. It's not like he's over here tin hat ing the s*** out of it just like this. That, and that.

Cristina: I don't trust any UFOs was one of them, which I guess is a real thing, so it doesn't even matter. But, like, he knows about the aliens.

Jack: But it's not a conspiracy. He gets told crap as the president.

Cristina: You think he knows about aliens?

Jack: No. He would have told everybody.

Cristina: Okay, well, I'm pretty sure.

Jack: No, no, no. The problem is he knows that they're secrets. That part he knows. That's not a conspiracy. He knows their secrets. That's why he wants to know. He wants to know. It's not.

Cristina: He knows that the left is into our pedophiles. Just the left. Just the left are pedophiles.

Jack: Just the left. I don't think he's ever said just the left.

Cristina: He just wants to clean up. What was that whole Cleaning out the swamp. No, the corrupt. Whatever. He isn't that.

Jack: That's not about pedophilia.

Cristina: Whatever, I guess now. But it's a conspiracy to one side. Not like the whole thing is corrupt. It's just that one side is doing suspicious things.

Jack: But no, that's actually completely wrong. It's like you forgot who you're talking about.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Talking about Donald J. Trump. The guy who aimed so many fingers at his own team and was like, that guy's a problem too.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, what do you mean? Just the left. He thinks everybody except him.

Cristina: Okay, so there you go. That's many conspiracy.

Jack: It's not a conspiracy. These are literally people who are against him. A conspiracy means you believe.

Cristina: Was he actually against him?

Jack: Yes. That is called being your rival.

Cristina: The vice president.

Jack: The vice. Oh, I thought you meant the opposing president. Well, no, the vice president turned on him by saying, this is wrong, like you're doing something wrong. He just wanted to not be told. He's a big child. He just wants to told he wanted to be told. He did nothing wrong.

Cristina: Oh, okay, so he's just a big baby.

Jack: Yeah. That's not a conspiracy theory. If the suspicion is they're after me and they're after you, that's not a conspiracy theory. No, that's just a thing that's happening.

Cristina: In your life or a fraud or whatever.

Jack: Well, here's the crazy part about that. What election hasn't been rigged? Well, regardless of what side wins, as long as there is an electoral college, do people have a vote? Dude, literally, Hillary won the first one and then Trump still got it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Doesn't matter.

Jack: This time Trump won the popular vote, but still the electoral college was like, f*** yo. S***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it doesn't really matter what the people say if the electoral college can do whatever the h*** it wants.

Cristina: Okay, so, okay, the windmills.

Jack: See, that's a conspiracy. I'm telling you. People like to exaggerate the fact that he says a bunch of off the wall s***, but it's not really off the wall half the time. It's just he. He's disrespectful and people take that as a giant fact of the matter that, oh, no, he's definitely not informed on any of these things and he's totally believes in all these conspiracy. But no, they're not conspiracies and a bunch of the crap is true.

Cristina: Would you listen to that podcast?

Jack: No, it wouldn't. It wouldn't be entertaining. It would be too much of the same thing over and Over.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't think I could get behind a.

Cristina: Just one episode and that's. You're good. Yeah.

Jack: It'll be like listening to the Ron Burgundy podcast. Like, it's a lot. It's like, this character is great, but also he's a lot.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, he's just. He's always a douche. This sucks.

Cristina: Yeah, that's true. I don't get it. I mean, I get why people love it, but I don't like. Yeah.

Jack: Like, it ain't for me.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: And it's like, I don't think it's something that people can listen to all day. Then again, people listen to Alex Jones all day. I mean, everything's for somebody. There are people who love to listen to Trump all day. There'll be a big a** crowd for that.

Cristina: Forget about Alex Jones. There's a lot of guys like that, though.

Jack: Yeah, but they're not harmful the way that a dude. The problem is the power of presidency is exaggerated. Like, yes, you're powerless around those around you, but you're overpowered against just normal commoners.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And like, yeah. Telling a bunch of people to go attack. And like, he didn't literally what to his. From his. No, it's the truth. He didn't straight out tell them to go attack anything. He did say peacefully approach. He did say, you know, he used the words he needed to use to keep his a** covered, but the subtext was, it was rigged. They're stealing it from us. It's tyrannical. Go solve the problem.

Cristina: Go solve the problem.

Jack: He didn't say go solve it with violence or murder or murder, any of that. But he did say, march over there. Let them know what's on your mind. And they went over there and he's like, it's tyrannical. Everything's falling apart. They're trying to steal what you have fought so hard for. Go and let them know it's wrong. And then they went over there and just pillaged a bunch.

Cristina: That's pretty cool. Pillaging. That's still a thing. Who knew?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I mean, here.

Jack: Literal raiders.

Cristina: Yeah. What?

Jack: Just a thing that happened once. A bunch of raiders.

Cristina: You think there will ever be a part two to that?

Jack: I mean, not to that, but there'll definitely be other things. It's not the first. This government is gonna topple eventually. There's no way it won't. Alternatively, it's a bunch of governments stacked on top of each other. Maybe that's why it's worked. Like, it seems like it's always gonna fall apart, but somehow we're outlasting everything around us.

Cristina: Okay. So we sort of figured it out.

Jack: Well, no, we're also the earliest, newest thing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, like, we're pretty. There's a couple of countries that have come to be ever since. You know, there's one here, one there. There's one country that came to be in like 2014 or whatever. There's a bunch of countries that come into existence. So we're not the youngest country, but we're like the youngest super overdeveloped. Mega power.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: And for such an overpowered group of people, it always does feel really fragile.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But it never falls apart. And we are again, we are really young. The Roman Empire was huge. And that was around a long time, then eventually fell. We don't know how quickly they came, swooped in, took everything. They're like, wow. The Roman Empire came out of nowhere. It's only been around 200, 300 years. Wow. Strong EMP. A couple hundred years down the line, garbage gone.

Cristina: Because something bigger came along.

Jack: Something bigger came along and stupid decisions ruined their too. Okay, interesting. Yeah, interesting. So, like, this experiment we're running could. It could outlive everything that's here right now, but it's also not gonna like, stay forever. Everything has an expiration date unless we're the. And again, that. I guess that is ultimately what the United States is. The. The uniter of things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And there's many countries within our country, but there's also many countries that aren't in our country from other countries that come to our country. So it's all our countries, plus all the other countries put together in one place in this country, in this multitude of countries that allows multitudes of other countries in. Now that means that the United States is the closest thing we have to Starfleet and that chances are, out of all the countries, United States or Canada, one of those two is going to become the sort of building blocks for Starfleet.

Cristina: Has to be United states. Come on.

Jack: NASA. NASA will be Starfleet because NASA's already all inclusive.

Cristina: Okay, we got it then. Yes. Wait, is NASA based here? Yes.

Jack: Yeah, NASA's in the United States.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay, we got what?

Cristina: NASA. That's an American thing.

Jack: Oh, yeah.

Cristina: So, yes. And we got the Space Force. I don't know how that's gonna help, but like, if we combine the two somehow, I mean.

Jack: Yeah, I don't even understand because it's. We got three things going on. Right. And the. No, then the people who are making The Boeing. They're also jumping into space flight. Boeing people. People who blow up planes with others in them or crash them or something.

Cristina: That's fun. So these three somehow combined will make Star Trek? No, no.

Jack: Just be. No, none of them make Star Trek. They're all American or all in the US at least. Star Trek is just one thing.

Cristina: Oh, one thing. Oh, we'll never get there.

Jack: Well, why? Everything is more united than it was always 100% of the time. What do you mean?

Cristina: It was just gonna take long to get even more united. Until we reach that point where.

Jack: Oh, yeah, but you said we're never gonna get there. We're definitely gonna get there.

Cristina: This isn't gonna take a very long time. Oh, yeah.

Jack: But of course we're gonna get there regardless of how long it takes.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Given in. And it won't even like, what's a long time? A couple hundred years. It won't even be that long. It won't be in our lifetime. But it will happen like kind of relatively soon.

Cristina: It's hard to imagine though, because there's so many people against it because somehow the devil is involved with us being united.

Jack: The problem with the logic is that that itself is a conspiracy theory. And that's a conspiracy theory held by like the minority. By crazy large minority, by crazy small minority. I'm sorry, Very, very, very small group of people believe that that's truly the case. And they're non influential. That's why that hasn't actually affected any part of society.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, it's just a bunch of idiots who overtly symbolize everything in the Bible. Yeah, people. I don't know. There's a lot of people with weird beliefs. Ultimately.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And there are a lot of people who would definitely. I don't know. Trump is not, is not that overpowered, man. Like, look, he'll build an army and he'll have people listening to him. But it's not like, I don't know.

Cristina: People as big as everyone makes vast minority.

Jack: Think about how easy, how easily it would be to over. The problem is the cops are on their side.

Jack: But that's about it. Yeah, it's. It's not really like other than the cops being on their side, it's just a bunch of crazy people. And not even like a bunch. It's two or three lunatics who believe crazy things and think that, you know.

Cristina: Okay, so it's just a bunch of different ideas and they all sound the same. So I think they're all the same people or I guess Part of the same group, but it's just a bunch of different people with a bunch of crazy similar ideas.

Jack: Yeah, it's not even a punch. It's just a few.

Cristina: Okay. A few people.

Jack: Definitely not a lot. It's not a lot. It's a bunch of ignorant individuals with a bunch of crazy ideas. And sometimes they pan out. Most of the times they don't. Okay, simple. There's nothing but a bunch of people who believe in crazy things all the time. The world is filled with people who have crazy ideas.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Conspiracy theories to just any. Anything, anything. And Trump is like the. The one. One of the many ringleaders to one of these. I mean, they really attacked the Capitol, dude. It's absurd.

Cristina: Yeah, it's pretty crazy.

Jack: Yeah, but what the h*** can we do, right?

Cristina: Show them the way. With Jesus.

Jack: With Jesus? Isn't the Jesus people the ones who did the thing?

Cristina: I feel like he would tell them how they're wrong.

Jack: He did. And then he said he was proud of them.

Cristina: What are you talking about, Trump?

Jack: Oh, Jesus would tell them they're wrong because Trump told them they did wrong. But then he said, very good. They're good people.

Cristina: Yeah, but our friend will help them or will tell them that they're going to h***, which I don't know how freaked out they would be. Like, if you really believed. And then he. That guy that you're worshiping, tells you that. What do you do with yourself if.

Jack: You believe it's him.

Cristina: Yeah. If you believe him that he's who he's saying he is, like the Messiah.

Jack: Well, then you just change immediately. You change your behavior instantly.

Cristina: How? If you thought you were doing the.

Jack: Right things, well, now you know you're not.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: Thinking and knowing are two different things. It's not even worth the thought. It's not a thought experiment whatsoever. If you know the guy who made the rules, it says this is bad and that's good. Is factually real. He made everything. You just change because it's easy. Now there's proof. It's not faith. Nothing to think about. Heaven is assured. If I followed the rules.

Cristina: What if he says there's no way?

Jack: Then you also have nothing to worry about. You just keep doing what you're doing because you're going to h*** no matter what. Now you could. Any confirmation sends you in one of two directions.

Cristina: Either do what you're doing or change. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah, 100%.

Cristina: Wow. That's kind of useless. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, it's why it's faith. If it was proven. There would be no argument if it was proven in either direction. One of two sides would be completely gone. Either everybody believes in God because God is a fact, or nobody believes in God because he's factually not real. Okay, but no, we have this sort of inconclusive middle ground of somewhere between real and not real. A bunch of people swear. A bunch of people are like, nah, science is. No, but science is. Yes. And it's like all simultaneously. And it's like, what the h***?

Cristina: Mm. It's complicated.

Jack: Yes, it's very complicated. But that's basically how the human mind works. Right. There's a plethora of people with a million different beliefs and views on exactly the same things. And so if there are a billion of us, there's a billion different perspectives on the same thing. If we all manage to even have the thought about the one thing, because we're all thinking about different things. But, like, I mean, sticking to the insurrection that the world hear about the insurrection, or is that just big for us?

Cristina: They probably heard it, but it was probably not big.

Jack: Yeah, it was probably not a big deal. It's like, oh, you know, some people argued at the White House.

Cristina: Yeah. Like the queen dying. Was that the world?

Jack: The world was informed. Yes.

Cristina: There's a lot of people talking crap, but.

Jack: Yeah, because it's an old format.

Jack: It's a queen. It's. Don't get me wrong, it's the queen, but it's a queen.

Cristina: It's not like that's over with.

Jack: No, but it's also the last one we gave a crap about is gone now it's gonna be over with. Who's gonna successfully sustain a crown now? Who's. Who's gonna listen to whoever sustains the crown? You don't got the stain of a lady who was there 70 years.

Cristina: They're gonna start voting for kings and queens.

Jack: No, that's not how it works. That would just be politics. Yeah, it would be president.

Cristina: You think they'd ever change that, though?

Jack: It wouldn't change. It would dissolve. It would dissolve the crown. It would cease existing. It wouldn't be a thing anymore. It wouldn't evolve into anything else. There's nothing it could evolve to all the parts already there. There's already presidents and senators and congressmen and this and that. There's nothing the crown could evolve to. They're just celebrities at this point.

Cristina: Okay. Because I was going to ask, like, what would happen to everything they own? Like, do they still. They still own it?

Jack: No, no. They still Own it. And my question is, how do they cut off taxing the people?

Cristina: We cut off taxing. The piece of money would be going to whoever's really ruling, not the.

Jack: Well, it wouldn't go. If you dissolve the crown. It wouldn't go to anybody.

Cristina: It wouldn't go to whoever. Like, if they decide we're gonna have a president instead.

Jack: They do. They will have a prime minister.

Cristina: Oh, wouldn't go to them.

Jack: No. It would go to the government and still. No. It wouldn't go to the. Still. No. It would just be returned to the people because all the government money is already being taken too. People get tax for the crown and the government.

Cristina: Oh, so then they would be getting less tax.

Jack: Yeah. They would just be returned.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That would be. Not removed anymore.

Cristina: Yes. How will the family survive without that money? That's.

Jack: Without infinite money they have.

Cristina: Yes. Like, that's just. That's it.

Jack: I don't know. It's weird, man. As soon as people stop believing in the thing that ceases existing. It's like money. If you don't believe in money, like, the dollar almost collapsed a long time ago. Reading an article about how the dollar, sometime in the. It was like the 1800s or the early 1900s, something like that. Late 1800s, early 1900s, actually might have been the 1950s, something like that. And the dollar was losing faith because people were like, it's not working. We. We can't buy things with it. Where. You know, the. Before it came back up and it was booming. And the golden era of the 1950s, 1960s, everybody can buy a house with whatever job they have. Era came through. Before that, it collapsed. It broke. The recession hit. People couldn't afford s***. The faith in the dollar was gone. That's what led to that recession. It was. It was. The money was useless.

Cristina: Money was useless.

Jack: It was becoming useless. And so people lost faith in the dollar. People stopped believing in its function. And dollar is an idea.

Cristina: But what were they doing?

Jack: They still needed figuring it out. Point is, the dollar was disappearing. I don't know. Humans adapt. That's what we do.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it doesn't matter how we survived. We just survived. It would happen no matter what. You took away all the money, all the food. We'd just eat each other. We would make it. I assure you, if there's no food, we would definitely eat each other.

Cristina: Okay, there's no food. You just take away the money.

Jack: No. We would definitely survive one way or another. So there's no question of what we did. It's just the fact that money was falling apart and people were going to other means, and the one thing that created that was the flaky fear and money.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so it just. Just stopped being useful. Totally. Completely.

Cristina: What, it's just gonna keep happening, though?

Jack: Well, it could happen again, and it could be incredibly, incredibly useless as soon as people lose faith in the thing. That's how ideas work. That's how imagination works. Money is imaginary, and you need people to have this idea in their mind to imagine it working and imagine the numbers changing in a. It needs to be consistent.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The consistency fails as soon as some people lose faith. And then you can't sell to everybody at the same price because, well, they're not even buying. They're just hanging out with that guy over there who's giving it to them in exchange for the bread. And, like, I'm losing money because I thought the money was working, and now I don't have anything to change. I don't need the bread.

Cristina: Yeah. So do you think that's gonna happen, though, soon?

Jack: No, I don't think that's gonna happen. We're talking about the crown and how that's an idea too. And, like, as soon as. Which has already happened, people are already losing faith in, like, what the h*** does this even stand for? And now there's not even the one thing people cared about being there. So the faith in the idea is gonna leave. And just like money did in the past, the value of the crown is just gonna dissolve into nothingness, and people are just gonna, like, who gives a crap? Give me my tax money back or we'll just rise up against. Because why do we have these people? They should do that. The British are never gonna rise up.

Cristina: Oh, so it's just gonna stay like that? It's like the money, like you said, it. It. What they feared is gonna go away, and. No.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. That exact.

Cristina: Yeah. So I don't know. So you don't think the crown is worried at all? They're a little sweaty. They're like, the money.

Jack: No, they're definitely quaking in their boots. They're definitely quaking in their boots.

Cristina: Oh, okay. But, h***, yes, they probably don't have anything to worry about at the end of the day.

Jack: Why it's gonna dissolve. Why it is. Yes. I'm saying, just like, the money.

Cristina: The money didn't dissolve.

Jack: The money in the 1950s dissolved.

Cristina: No, people just got scared that it was going to.

Jack: People stopped relying on it.

Cristina: But eventually they did.

Jack: Yes, because money works that way. But the crown is not just suddenly going to be cool again.

Cristina: Oh, I. I don't like.

Jack: Obviously, if the crown leaves, it's not going to be like, well, it's five years later. But, you know, we're missing that crown. I guarantee you, if the crown leaves, we're not going to be aching for some kings and queens.

Cristina: Oh, okay. I wasn't sure what you meant. Okay. I don't do. That example wasn't great. Or it doesn't feel like it equals. Because the money is still here. That's all I mean.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no. You're looking at. I don't know why. A weirdly specific part of that argument, as opposed to the fact that they're ideas and the only thing that sustains them is that their ideas was the point I was making, that they're both just ideas. And if you don't believe in the idea, the idea doesn't hold up. And at one time, people didn't have faith in the money and the money didn't hold up. So when people lose faith in the crown, the crown's not gonna hold up because it's also an idea. See, that's the ultimate point I'm trying to make. Ideas. What people believe what people think. And people believe many, many things. The people with the crown believe the crown matters. The people who believe in the crown believe the crown matters. Many people believe the crown doesn't matter. And it's an outdated format of approach. And, like, why do we need. What do you do?

Cristina: I wonder what the actual percentage is of people who don't care versus people who do.

Jack: Huge here's.

Cristina: And just in there, though, not like the world.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, the world. Most people don't give a crap.

Cristina: Yeah. But I mean, like, here's the thing.

Jack: I. I would argue that only traditionalists care. Care.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that even older people, older people don't care. People like most people don't care. It was entirely that we respect Her Majesty the Queen. That's really what it was about. It was that she was. She's a superhero. Superstar rock star. The most overpowered, most successful, most important being to have ever walked the earth has done more for the collective earth than most people have. That is why we were like, oh, yeah, the Queen. We don't really care about the crown. Nobody cares about the crown. That's outdated. We're over it. There's other kings and queens in the world. Name one. Exactly. Nobody cares. Nobody has given a crap. Nobody will give a crap. That's outdated. That's old. It's only Queen Elizabeth because it was Queen Elizabeth.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: But those systems are all gone. People have lost faith, and they will fall apart and they will cease to exist, because that is how these things work.

Cristina: I'm kind of. Remember her, the new guy's name? George.

Jack: Phillip.

Cristina: I don't know. Philip. Okay, that sounds right.

Jack: Yes, Philip. The worst. But, yeah, it's really weird. It's strange. How are. How our ideas sustain everything. Right?

Cristina: Yes, that is strange, man. If they lose everything or if they lose their power, either their things become part of a museum or they sell it all. Which one comes first?

Jack: And they'll sell it to a museum for the most money. But what power do they have now? Like right now, without counting the fact that Elizabeth had power? What power does Philip have?

Cristina: I don't know. He gets to talk to people, whatever.

Jack: If he gave an order, who's listening?

Cristina: I don't know how it works now.

Jack: Somebody walks outside and just says a curse word in England about the Queen. How. How long does that guy last? Right? You don't care about the crown now. Somebody goes out there and says the same thing about King Philip. Who gives a s***? No, nobody. It's about who it was, not what it is. Yeah, nobody cares about that crown.

Cristina: No, I don't think so.

Jack: It's only important because of who she was. She's not around, and we don't care anymore. It's a lot of power just gone to waste. But again, that's how ideas work. You lose faith in the idea. Suddenly all the. We had faith in the idea with her there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Give her all the power, whatever, she's gone. All the other parts are still there, but all the power is gone. The faith was in her.

Cristina: Yeah. Any other examples of just ideas?

Jack: Ideas sustaining themselves?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Well, this is one that I've really been fascinated by my entire life. And I've had a couple of conversations with people about space in particular. And in having conversations about space, I've had conversations with people who've never once taken class relative to it. Like maybe they were raised in a country where they don't get astronomy or science isn't common. So you just don't get it. You learn how to write and count a little in the end. So I've had conversations with people with many different walks of life. And when it comes to space, there's so many different things. Now, the universe that we don't see is entirely subject to what we think is happening.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: So I tell you the sun is a ball of fire, and you got no other reference point. You think there's a ginormous distance between us and the sun and it's a ball of fire way over there. But somebody who has no reference points for that and believes no, it's a dome. And it's been like a sticker spot stuck to the top of the dome. So when we see the sun, that's not a ball of fire, it's a sticker on top of the dome. Now, from their point of view, all they're seeing is a flat disk against the dome. You're both looking at the same thing, but you see an orb that's on fire. They see a flat sticker against an orb, and it looks the same to both of you. But what your, your, your perception of it is affecting what's happening. And so only one of those arguments holds any kind of power. Your belief is directly influencing the universe. The structure of the universe is due to what you believe about the structure of the universe.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Now while you believe that's the sticker. If I put you on a ship, flew you up, and then you saw it wasn't. Now, instantaneously, as we're getting up there, your view is becoming three dimensional. Now your, your faith in the idea has changed, so the idea itself has changed. Your power went somewhere else that has no power anymore. You took it from there and threw it over there. Now, the universe literally changed, and that's not what it looks like.

Cristina: But a lot of people have their own unique ideas of what space looks like or what it is.

Jack: I once asked an individual who, we were just sitting and I was talking about how much I love astronomy. And in the course of the conversation, this individual says, I have never once thought about what's up there. Only now talking to you, have I ever considered it. And like, wow, that's really strange. Never once, never anything. Not even the moon, the biggest thing out there. Like, nope. Looked at it. Then you think about it. Okay, so what do you think is happening? The answer? Fascinating. They don't know. They don't know how far up it is. They don't know if it's like, how far up is a plane. Are they over the plane or is the plane around them? If you look out of a plane because there's lights, but beneath are the stars just blending into the lights. You see when you look down?

Cristina: What?

Jack: They said that again? You look up and you just see dots of lights. But if you look down, there's a bunch of dots of light cities and whatnot.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So when you look down Are the stars blending into those? So there stars above you and below you now because you're so high up.

Cristina: Well, because you can't even see up there.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. It looks dark and whatnot. And you're in clouds. So it's like, okay. Then I'm like, what do you mean? It's like, okay, like, how far up do I have to go to just, like, catch one in my hand? And I'm like, oh, the visual just destroyed my mind. You think they're just really bright, but small at a distance. So, like, if you go up there, maybe you just catch it, and then it'll just go dark because it's in between your hand.

Cristina: That's very strange to imagine that something that small collide up the sky.

Jack: Well, it's not lighting up the sky.

Cristina: The sky's dark in the morning.

Jack: You're not seeing the sun. You're looking at the stars. You're looking up at the stars and seeing a bunch of tiny little dots that look super tiny. You're like, well, I don't know how high up it is. Maybe it's slightly higher than a building. That means it's really bright and really tiny. I can grab it.

Cristina: Maybe that one star.

Jack: Any star. Any of them. Any star up there. Can I get up there high enough to grab one? Like, what are they? If I grabbed it, what is it? Like, those are the. That's what I was. I'm like, holy crap. This is interesting. Never once have I thought about a situation like this.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But now a million other examples is other political structures. Think of the presidency. Presidency is only the presidency because we choose. It's the presidency, and the people agree. We agree there's government here. Yeah, but if we all just decided. No such thing. No, no, no. Biden, no power. Biden, no power. Military, you got all the guns, but we got all the numbers. We don't believe you. In fact, as people, every one of us who isn't a politician and isn't in the military, we're just all gonna say we don't agree. Who are you gonna then serve it? See, it broke. It stopped right there. Who are you gonna serve? The people. We didn't break the government. We didn't break the military. We just said we. No long. Everybody else who isn't in either of those collectively says that we no longer believe in the government and we no longer believe in the military. But we didn't touch either organization. How can either one move forward? What would they do? Who would they serve? If we're not taking it. Can't take our money. I'm gonna hold my money. You can't take my money. How you gonna take my money? I don't believe in this government anymore. I dare you to come take my money. For what?

Cristina: Still believe in money?

Jack: You can't believe in the money without believing in the government. Direct transactions. No taxes. What's the military gun? You shoot all the civilians. For what? Then who are you gonna. Then you're the only people left. No, it falls apart the second. It just falls apart instantaneously as you start losing faith in the idea.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Ideas are fragile. That is how they work. They're an extremely simple part of the human psyche.

Cristina: Oh, crap. I was gonna say of being human. Okay.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, it's definitely part of being human. I mean, we don't know if it's part of being an animal or anything of that nature, but we definitely know it's an experience humans factually have. Now, it is entirely possible other creatures also have that sort of experience, but, you know, like affecting the universe with ideas altering with our psyche what we believe. But I don't think. I mean, if you look at a dog right there. I mean, I guess it would apply to everything. It's called adapting the way our thoughts work, the way we. Okay, so faith gives something power. Right, so does this work on an animal? Would be the question here. So you take an animal, a dog. A dog believes you are their owner, you are their feeder, you are the most important person in their life. And then you beat the crap out of the dog.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: And the dog is scared and flinches, but is equally loyal because you are who they care about. You are who feeds them, you are who matters to them. Even if you hurt them, they'll be scared. They'll avoid pain. But that's so sad. It's tragic. But. But the faith in you has not been lost.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The power hasn't affected. Has been affected. You still hold the power. Dog could never alter it. A cat never gives you the power. A cat is confident. They always have it.

Cristina: Yeah. So those are just ideas. These animals have ideas.

Jack: These animals have, but they're not wavering. They're not. The ideas aren't malleable. They're fixed. And so those are two examples. I guess it's not because what we're looking for is an example of taking away the faith and losing the power of something that you took the faith from. It's like God. If everybody stopped believing God. Some God is useless. If everybody stops Believing in money. Money is useless. If everybody stops believing in politics, it's useless. Borders work that way. Borders are an imaginary line. If we just say it's not a thing, never been a thing, then, okay, there's no borders. The more people that agree, the less borders that exist.

Cristina: But do animals ever have that idea? Or I guess an idea changed like that, just. Okay, this doesn't mean anything anymore.

Jack: Yes, 100%. Put a line of tape in front of a dog that has been taught never to cross certain barriers. So they don't jump off the sidewalk when you're walking. They don't go into a specific room that you've told them never to go into, even if you leave the door open. They're trained not to do it. You go somewhere where there are no barriers, you tell them, sit, and you create something that looks like a line with tape or something across from them. Some animals will just walk around that because they're not allowed to step over it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They've given it power. They think something might happen if they do. It could just be discipline.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But for whatever reason they are moving around. It could be that their idea is something happens when I do that. There's power happening here.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There's a barrier of some sort, but they haven't lost. But if they did lose the faith after you tell a dog, oh, no, it's cool. Come on. You gave the power away for it. So now the dog is like, oh, it's cool. There's nothing here. It's fine. I could do it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now the power is gone. Now there's no barrier.

Cristina: So in the dog, just for when you tell them, like, hey, it's okay, then they'd be like, okay, yeah.

Jack: Chances are they're waiting for you to deactivate the power. But even better, that goes to show you that. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. Is it the dog's fear or is it their obedience? That is the question. Do they believe the tape means something, or do they believe your word means something? I guess it would be your word.

Cristina: I think it's your word. Yeah.

Jack: So it's hard. It's hard because we can't jump into the head of the animal to find out if. If it's the idea. But I guess that also goes for humans in general, right? People, thinkers. That because we can't jump into an individual's head and see the thoughts that are happening and to see the change in a perspective, we also don't really, really know that there was Ever. Even power in something that's interesting.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Well, think of people who don't necessarily believe that they should have a government, but exist somewhere where there is a government, like most places. And, like, you don't. You don't necessarily, like, agree or believe or sort of follow the doctrine. So if I were to somehow be able to visualize your thoughts and your perspective and what things have power in your mind because of your thoughts, you might be part of a system with politics or politics has power, and you've given no power to the thing that has power. So your idea could change. Actually, it could lose power. And your idea never affected it. The same way it goes. Right. You got the crown, and it's only powerful because people believe it's powerful. You believe it's important, but if you don't believe it's important, then it collapses.

Cristina: Okay, that makes sense. Yes.

Jack: Yes. The individual might have never given the crown power. So we don't actually know where they're getting the power from. If so many people believe it shouldn't have the power. Well, fair enough. People believed in Queen Elizabeth.

Cristina: Mm. So there was people with that.

Jack: I think. I think the majority believed in Queen Elizabeth, but I don't think there's any power that's gonna be projected onto Philip. I don't think anybody believes. Or ever. Maybe not ever. But current day, there was never any power put into the crown. All the power was put into Elizabeth. So without Elizabeth, there is no power. I believe. And as goes the imagination of the individual. That again, for the dollar, for the crown, for anything. If you don't have the faith to begin with, you could still partake and it would still have power without your thought.

Cristina: That's complicated.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Because it's still just a thought.

Jack: Still just a thought. And it's not a thought that you think matters, but you can still use it like it does.

Cristina: Yes. Because everyone else around you does.

Jack: Yes. So you can exist within a system in which it works.

Cristina: Imagination. Sort of.

Jack: Yeah. You're using their imagination, essentially. So if somebody gives power to a thing, you can abuse the thing. And so you're abusing the person with their mind.

Jack: Think about how powerful the idea of money is. It's powerful. Why? People starve to death because of it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You can starve someone out because of an idea. They could just pop your head off with a gun and eat your food.

Cristina: That takes money.

Jack: They could go steal all of the above in order to make it happen. You can murder somebody. You're worried about acquiring the gun in an ethical way. Just acquire a gun and do the thing. And in that instance, well, you don't believe in money, which means you can't be made to starve. That would be impossible because you don't believe you have to pay for food. Nobody's convinced you.

Cristina: So you're gonna kill someone for the food?

Jack: No, you're gonna take the food because food belongs to everybody. And if somebody tries to take away what belongs to you, you have a right to do whatever because it's your survival over theirs.

Cristina: And that's because that's what you believe.

Jack: That person. Yeah, yeah.

Cristina: That person. Yeah.

Jack: The individual at that moment. Yeah. They or they don't believe money has power. That's the argument here. They don't believe money has power. You can't starve them out. There's always another way. I mean, it goes to say that there are people who are extremely unfortunate in life, and it's because they believe they need the money. And then there are people who are astoundingly, filthfully rich, and they don't give a crap about the money.

Cristina: You think they don't care about the money?

Jack: Most rich people don't care about the money. That's why it ends up hoarding. Think about what makes people rich to begin with. It's some venture, it's some things, some fixation they chased.

Cristina: Okay, so there's still an idea, though, that's involved.

Jack: There's a powerful idea, but they're not giving the power to money. The idea just happens to be something different. But it's not an idea. That's like the idea that they're chasing isn't powerful itself, but they don't care about the power. Super mega, ultra billionaires don't care about the money. Look at all the things they do. Why don't they just sit back and relax? Live all day, kicked back? Because it was never about the money. Why didn't Jeff Bezos retire the moment he made the first billion? He'll never run out of money, ever. There's nothing he could do. He'll never run out of money. Nothing he could do. Why didn't he just stop? It was never about the money. He doesn't put power into money. That's why he has so much of it. He just keeps throwing it to the side. I don't need that. This useless tool. I don't need that with my mind. I did everything else. I need money to code a computer.

Cristina: Just the fun of running a business or something.

Jack: Yeah, there's this Other thing that they love.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That most times doesn't have power. The people who don't believe in the power have the money and then by default become the power. When they're not trying to. Jeff Bezos wasn't trying to become the power. He was good at business and then did it. Well. And he could have stopped, but no, he added more things to it. And then he could have stopped, then added more things to it.

Cristina: I guess I get the idea confused because, like, his company is buying off. Like, other companies lose out because of his company.

Jack: Yes, 100%.

Cristina: Like Netflix. The beginning when it was all powerful, it was the one everyone was going to like. There was nothing competing 100%.

Jack: But now, after you've completely sealed out the market and nothing else is coming, then what? Well, why do you keep doing it? Well, it was never about the money. That's why you did a thing. You were good at the thing, and you want to keep doing the thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Another great example, the other one, Elon Musk, you know, doesn't chase the money. Ever. Nothing.

Cristina: Doing a bunch of things.

Jack: Doing a million things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Throw it. Literally throws away money. No power to the money. Asked the Internet, how much money do I just throw away? And they gave him a number. They told him on what. And he was like, okay, just cuz too much money. What do I do with it?

Cristina: So crazy.

Jack: Because doesn't care. Doesn't care. He rules the money. The money doesn't rule him. He doesn't care about the money.

Cristina: He rules money.

Jack: He rules the money.

Jack: You couldn't buy him. You can buy him before there was a bank. Told him, we will give you a percent increase. He's like, nah, I'd rather waste my time and money making something that isn't you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's like, no, you will literally make me a profit if I throw my money in you. Also, I don't care. Began not giving a crap.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Money. Never had the power.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: Not once.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: Barnes and Nobles destroying the world. Swallowing little stores left and right. Amazon comes along. I'll mail you a book. You know what? I'll mail you anything you want.

Cristina: Yeah, well, once upon a time, they.

Jack: Had a relationship, I think, with Barnes and Nobles.

Cristina: Yeah. I think with their books. With, like, not physical books, but the virtual pad thing. I think they had a thing together.

Jack: Oh, Barnes and Nobles had the Kindle Reader thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I mean, they still do.

Cristina: Yeah. I mean, Amazon, I think now has their own thing, but I think it started together, wasn't it?

Jack: No. Kindle is Amazon.

Cristina: Kindle is Amazon.

Jack: It's the Amazon Kindle.

Cristina: Okay, and what was the one for Barnes and Nobles? They have a different one.

Jack: They don't have one. They were just using Amazon Amazons. They were using the Kindle, which was reader. There are other E readers, but there aren't, like, popular ones. There's just the Kindle, which is the popular E reader.

Cristina: Oh, okay. I don't know. I don't remember. I feel like it was something related together, but maybe not. Maybe they were just stealing their business.

Jack: Yeah, I mean, it was always just about being the better business. There's, again, there's no end goal. The power for him is in purpose. These are people driven by purpose, not money. If it was the money, you got all the money. There's no more money you could make. You can stack all the money it looks equal to you did. You can't fathom that much money. Yeah, it looks the same. No matter how high that number goes, it looks the same. It's past after you're in the millions. You've already passed human understanding. What does a million anything look like? Do you know what a million anything looks like?

Cristina: No.

Jack: So, like, there's no point in stacking an infinity worth of cash. And I know they don't really. They're not sitting here counting, oh, yeah, now I got my next billion. Yeah. I'm so cool. They don't care, man.

Cristina: I hope not. That'd be really upsetting.

Jack: Why would you care? Why would you mind consider.

Cristina: Very cringy.

Jack: That's the thought.

Cristina: It's weird. It's just a weird thought. The phone's just like, ooh, my money. I don't know.

Jack: I mean, somebody's doing that.

Cristina: I know, but it's. I don't know. Just as a thought. It's cringy.

Jack: I don't why people do it about a bunch of crap. People literally do that about everything that's ever existed. That's somebody something.

Cristina: That is somebody something, I guess.

Jack: But there's somebody who's like, yeah, my shoes. Yeah, all my giant shoe collection, bruh.

Cristina: Like, there's more precious.

Jack: I guess there's a bunch of crap like that. People are. It's trophies.

Cristina: Trophies. I guess it's not that bad if it's like trophies. It doesn't like a trophy.

Jack: I mean, there's a lot of people who don't like trophies. It's clutter and just random nonsense. But there's a bunch of people who like it. A trophy is the sin of pride. Be proud of yourself.

Cristina: Mm. That's what mine could be. To some people, money is a status.

Jack: Symbol in a lot of cases, but those are fake rich. It's like that. It reminds me of the rich and the super rich. Yeah, rich and super rich.

Cristina: It.

Jack: Oh, my God. Okay, you guys need to jump on TikTok and watch Rich and super rich. But it makes sense. There is fake rich. The. You know, I got a couple of millions, and I'm better than you for it. I made a. I made millions. I'm so much better than you.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You know, I have big house, great nice clothing. I don't wear the same thing twice. I'm pretentious as h***. You couldn't am me and Mike. You couldn't hang out with my friends. We're all rich. And then you got the super rich, the super rich. You got somebody like Elon Musk, who goes and hangs out with, like, Joe Rogan before he's even a millionaire. A multi millionaire. You know, he's just, like, maybe touching a million right now. He's just hanging out with Elon Musk. Because I must like. I like how you talk to people. Still no mega billions offered on Spotify. It doesn't matter. Look, I like you, bro. I like how you approach things. You're cool. And so are you.

Cristina: Hanging out with Dave Chappelle.

Jack: Hanging out with Dave Chappelle. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. This is the type of guy who those average rich people, the people with millions. Oh, no, those are crappy people to him. He doesn't like those people. Pretentious douche wads. You guys are so full of yourself. Let me drop my wallet on you and destroy your house with it.

Cristina: Okay, but he doesn't hang out with those people.

Jack: He hangs out with people he likes with poor scientists and weird creatives and, like, why doesn't he surround himself with Jeff Bezos, his only other equal? Like, screw that guy. He doesn't care about rich people. Also, Jeff Bezos is not doing the same thing. Bought the block and hangs out alone. He's not trying to show his money off. Actually, Bill Gates did the same thing to literally bought three blocks around him, moved everybody out, knocked it all down, and just lives on the block that's now his property.

Cristina: Ridiculous.

Jack: But he wasn't showing it off. He was doing the opposite. Let me go. Disappear and leave me alone, please.

Cristina: He's a super rich.

Jack: He's super rich. He's not trying to show off the money. Dude wears a crappy button up in slacks every day.

Cristina: So is Dave Chappelle, though, and Joe Rogan. The rich.

Jack: No, because they also got the h*** out of there. They're just trying to be away from people and not in the public eye. They're not throwing their money around. Their tools are a million other things. Okay, well, Dave Chappelle has one tool. It's just a really good tool. While Rogan has 50 million tools and somehow still took him. So all of that. All of that to just scratch the surface of what Chappelle is capable of. It's tragic. But also. Why are we comparing? It doesn't even matter. What's amusing here is how in a lot of cases. Because it does have power. Because people project power onto these ideas, like money and politics, whatever. It's funny how it could influence right back. It's not just the use of money can. So you put value in the money, and then the money is required for the system, and then there's a bunch of people in the system who don't have access to the thing. You could hurt somebody with your idea. Literally a thing. But it's funny when people get it. A bunch of. The idea. They got a bunch of money, a bunch of power.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And in having all of this, they still don't seek to. They don't hire their status to blend out of it. Yeah, they. They don't send out. They're very subdued about their approach. Rogan had all the things he needed before the money. He got the money, and he's happy about it. But the money didn't affect him. No, the money didn't affect Chappelle. The money didn't affect Elon Musk. The money didn't affect Jeff Bezos. But there's some people who get the money and they just. Again, it's power. They just don't know what to do, and it lands on them, and they either burn it on a bunch of crap they don't need and go broke immediately, or get involved in things that's outside of their control because they weren't raised in the circumstances and they think, I got the money. I can start jumping into these things, and then they lose all the money that way. Or get involved in things that is hard to pull themselves away from simply because the money has the power and you're only gonna optimize it. Well, no, you're chasing the money. That's the problem. That kid got the million dollars. That guy invested and walked away. He'll come back in 10 years and be twice as rich. You decided to do a bunch of crap with Your money. Because it's money. Oh, it's important. I gotta react.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So much money. And so that thing happens to people. That's a powerful idea. Money is the most powerful idea. Money stronger than God.

Cristina: Is it less powerful to people who are born in it? Like if their family members.

Jack: No, no. It's the polar opposite. It's absolutely crucial. It's essential. It's the most powerful tool because you literally don't know how to cope without it.

Cristina: But what if you take over whatever it is your family's into that is doing it? Like, if they did it for the love of the job, then you'd end up doing it for the love of the job. But also you'd get that money.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. If you're. Yeah, definitely. Now, that doesn't change the fact that it's incredibly integral. If you're. Here's the problem. It's hard to dodge because you have no reference point outside of it. So money is God. It is the most powerful thing in your life, even if you're used to it. I guess that's a problem. You're used to it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If we take it away, you're homeless now.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now take somebody who's lived in poverty but isn't homeless. If I took away everything you had left, you'd just figure it out again because you already did. But being raised into money is being put into the situation without the experience that got the person who got there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So you don't have to struggle. Yeah, yeah. You can't recreate it. You didn't do anything to get there. So you lose it. You don't have a roadmap back. The people without it have a roadmap to get wherever they're going. They got there without the money.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Money has the power. Don't get me wrong. They're seeking the money, but they also have to learn how to do crap without the money because everybody else has the power. I got no power. I have to learn how to be autonomous and move without the use of money because money's too powerful. I gotta bring myself up to compete as opposed to the people who have the money. They're wielding the power, but they never develop themselves. So without the money, they have no power and they're useless. But the people without the money have all the skills because they needed it. But they don't have any of the power. So those people develop the skill and get paid by the guy who has the money.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Everybody's tied into the power, no matter what.

Cristina: Yeah. Around the Money around the money. Okay.

Jack: And all of the money is established by. Okay. Why? Why can't I take my money to. Because the politics. The two powers work together. The law says I can give that guy the money and the receipt proves that I did the thing. So he can't screw me, he has to do the service. Or I can take him to court. Because the law said the thing. The power helped the power, but they're putting the money in their pocket. Those rules are just for themselves, really. They need to apply to everybody. Or we eat them. They just apply to you guys. Or they just apply to us. Somebody's going to die. Yeah, you have to apply to everybody. Allegedly. But it doesn't really.

Cristina: That's a Lisa Peer.

Jack: Yes, yes. But let's be fair. Laws are for poor people anyways.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: 100%. We've had this conversation before. Laws are entirely only designed for poor people. Rich people do not have to face the law. That's why every crime comes attached with a fine. You get to commit crimes. If you're rich, pay the fine, you're good.

Cristina: How many fines? Like, you could just pay fines forever. There's no punishment for having a ridiculous amount of fines. I mean, if you're paying it off.

Jack: Then it doesn't matter if you're paying it off. Who cares if you are a billionaire? Walk outside, shoot somebody in the head, you're not going to jail. Well, this is the fine. Pay it. Okay.

Cristina: If you murder someone, you don't get a fine for that.

Jack: There has literally been cases with fines that are murdered. Usually an accident, though.

Cristina: Yeah. So.

Jack: Yeah, but there have been. Well, it's manslaughter, not murder.

Cristina: Oh, manslaughter. Okay. Oh, I guess that's kind of cheating, but okay.

Jack: Yeah, they took a life, but they didn't go to jail because they paid the fine.

Cristina: Okay, I guess I see that. What?

Jack: Yeah, money's strong. Money's strong. Ideas are powerful. Ideas are overpowered. Ideas manipulate people. Ideas control people. Ideas change everything all the time, for everyone, all the time. Ideas are powerful, but minds are weak.

Cristina: Minds are weak, Yes.

Jack: A lot of weak people allow other people's value into their life.

Cristina: Definitely. Yes.

Jack: And then they surround their personality around that thinking. That's something they had, but they never thought about it. They're just screaming what they heard. And now this is important to me because it's important to them, but I don't know why it's important. I just know I'm doing the thing.

Cristina: But that's survival instincts, I think.

Jack: Do what Everybody else is doing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Blend into the crowd to survive. Yeah, but that's the power of ideas, man. That's what. That's how. That's how it goes. Thoughts and ideas and whatnot.

Cristina: That's our thoughts on thoughts. Thoughts on ideas.

Jack: Thoughts on powerful ideas or giving ideas power. Thoughts on giving ideas power.

Cristina: Like money or politics or religion, in order.

Jack: I think money stronger than God, then I think comes religion, then I think politics. People will sooner react to God than they will to politics. But even the church begs for money. Even the church begs for money. God needs that loan.

Cristina: It does.

Jack: Anyways. So I suppose. And look, we have a million other episodes talking about the mind in many different ways. There's actually an episode about consciousness, many misconceptions about the mind and things of that nature. About computer minds. We talk about the mind a lot.

Cristina: We talk about computer minds.

Jack: Yeah, there's a bunch. There's computer minds, there's consciousness, there's awareness, there's the perception, reality. And there's a lot we talk about.

Cristina: There's a lot. Yes.

Jack: So when it comes to thoughts and things like that, there's a plethora of that. You guys can find all that stuff. You guys can go talk to us. Go have. Go chat us up. Tell us what you want us to talk about here on the Rambling podcast. Tell us what you want us to talk about. Find us on the socials. Just convopod at Twitter, TikTok, Instagram, and.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show. Yes. Leave us some stars and let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Because word of mouth is a very powerful and important thing. It's a powerful idea. If you tell somebody, you go up and you tell them, hey, I think the show is really good, really important. I like it a lot. That idea is really powerful because now they're like, oh, maybe I should give it a listen.

Cristina: I might like it.

Jack: I might like it. You like it. You like it a lot, you said.

Cristina: Yeah, a lot. That's interesting.

Jack: It's a powerful idea.

Cristina: Yeah. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Listening. Bye.

Jack: But they weren't recording cameras. A lot of these guys for the Me too thing were recording text messages and conversations. They were having an audio recordings of these women were saying and plotting.

Cristina: So though. Yes.

Jack: In the case of, like, phone cameras, it'll be too obvious. She'll just stop. She'll stop her bullshitting.

Cristina: Audio. Oh, the audio was from, like, in Johnny Depp's case.

Jack: Yes. That helped Johnny Depp's case that it turned out his chick was abusive and bullshitting all the way through.

Cristina: Yep, she was abusive.

Jack: She's a monster. And he is innocent as f***. But then we also have this problem where these companies stick by their guns even after they're wrong.

Cristina: Who?

Jack: Like Netflix.

Cristina: Oh, Netflix.

Jack: Yeah, like, okay, Kevin Spacey. Guilty, guilty, guilty. Then he proves his own innocence. Where's Kevin Spacey? You guys. Oh, you guys owe Kevin Spacey. He was. He's guilty of a lot of crap.

Cristina: Well, they have. I don't know.

Jack: But you kicked them out over this one. That turned out to be bullshit. And he proved that he had saved discussions.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.