Rambling 284: Sketchy Deal
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Who is the Boy boy by the Bridge? What is the Clinton Furnace? And who owns the area? The duo continue deep diving into the records of Clinton Road and its surrounding forest in an attempt to discover the origin of the Spacetime Distortions in the area. What’s uncovered is both shocking and exceptionally strange and mysterious. What does it mean? Anyone’s guess. Join us and find out what our duo uncover!
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Topics Discussed:
- Boy by the Bridge
- The Lady in White
- Clinton Furnace
- Newark Watershed Organization
- Mysterious Contracts
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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.
Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.
Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And so let's do a quick recap for anybody who is new and anybody who needs the recap that might have missed a couple of episodes. We totally got off the Elysians because we loot. You're using all of their awesome knowledge to find weird things current day instead of keep digging infinitely into the past. And boy, have we found some s***. So for anybody not aware using current day, I mean, using the knowledge we acquired from the past, we've looked at a couple of different things, including some ancient structures like Stonehenge. And we looked at the comparison. Yes. We looked at mysterious places. We looked at Skywalker Ranch. We looked at basically a bunch of things just using the acquired information. And in doing so we came across a couple of patterns. And then we applied these patterns to things we're personally familiar with because we can go investigate these things. And so in doing so, we've been going through Clinton Road making sense of the weirdness that happened 15 years ago. And we've actually come to some interesting informational conclusions using the cross reference information we have. Great. Fantastic. A couple of those details included an episode per episode take on all the different sections of things that are just echoes, things that are some phantoms of some sort, and actual total significant things. And within those groups we've come across other things to look at. Primarily the. The big focus that we had was to see what is out there that we can ground.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And we went on the path of the. The lady.
Cristina: Yeah. Whether she's a shadow person or whatever. Yes, whatever she is.
Jack: And so we investigated that and there's a lot about her. It turns out as we deducted that there might be one person, might be one person. And there seems to be a literal timeline happening, a point in which they start to show up and a bunch of events that follow it. It looks like a girl shows up and then she's in panic for years. And slowly as time goes by, she's more adjusted to her scenario. Kind of like somebody got lost in the shadow realm and had to acclimate, but was scared at the beginning when we were seeing her. Scared. And then over time very adapted and over time trying to investigate the scenario, no longer scared of it. And eventually looks like a scientist almost Investigating and running tests out there. Almost ignoring the people that she sees. And that's weird.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Specifically, something about the lake. She's taking samples and doing something to the lake. The lake is something important, although we can't tell what.
Cristina: No.
Jack: And we can't tell whether she was living in the castle or if that was a base of operations of some sort. Because a lot of times I just saw her hanging out, like, living there.
Cristina: I don't think she's living there because there's so much happening there that there's no way you can live there when.
Jack: There'S so much unless there's nothing happening. And all the people we see live there.
Cristina: That's a lot of people. Could be.
Jack: Could definitely be. So that's where we were. And one of the thing. One of the notes we came across was a couple of notes, actually, public records, mentioning this girl along with the boy. Those two separate occasions when she was seen with the boy. Once at the bridge and another one, another spot. And so I went ahead and I looked at the boy in particular, because we got the lady. And the lady is connected to another human. Who's the young boy on top of that. The lady began as a girl. Looked like a young girl in 1950, 1965. But the word girl became a lady, and the word lady became a woman as time went by. Giving us a visual that people are describing what they seem to be like.
Cristina: Aging person.
Jack: An aging person. The term seems accurate to them when they're describing it. Began with girl, cross through lady, and ended up a woman. That's an aging person. And by the understandings we have, people who age must be from this side. At least that's what it seems like to us.
Cristina: Yeah, I guess. Because we don't know what's happening.
Jack: Yes. We have no clue. So let us begin by showing you some images. And I want you to just tell the listeners what it is you're looking at. That's all that matters.
Cristina: All right.
Jack: They're going to see the images and post, like, the episode thumbnail and stuff like that. But it is very important that you look at this and tell me what it is you see.
Cristina: Are you somehow related to each other?
Jack: The same place?
Cristina: Okay, the first one. Because the first one, I can't really tell what it is.
Jack: Ruins.
Cristina: It's ruins. Yeah. The second one is a doorway into the ruins. Unless this is the tower or castle, whatever. No, but it doesn't look like a castle. And the third one, it looks like just a building in the forest.
Jack: Yeah. These are different angles at the same place.
Cristina: The third one doesn't look real, though.
Jack: No, the third one isn't real.
Cristina: Oh, okay. Is that like, what people think?
Jack: No, that's what it looks like. That's what it used to look like.
Cristina: What? Yeah, like what it used to look like, but like what people think it used to look like.
Jack: No, that's what it looks like. That's what it used to look like. Exactly what it used to look like. It just so happens to be a perfect rendition instead of a sort of rustic looking one. The idea was to get a perfect visual of what it looks like.
Jack: Which.
Cristina: It looks like a house, I guess. I don't know. It looks strange. It doesn't look like a house either. It looks like a building, but it doesn't look like anything.
Jack: Okay, saying it doesn't look like this, it doesn't look like that. Not helpful. Describe what you're looking at. You describe the doorway. That's.
Cristina: There's a doorway. There's a fireplace. I think there's something in the bottom. I don't know what that is. That's round, going down. Like a pipe. Yes, There you go. Pipe. There's a pipe.
Jack: A pipe. Doing what? Saying there's a pipe means nothing. There's a pipe going from the base wall down to a different. Down to. It turns down into another level. That's a description right there. It's turning from a second story down into a first story. The chimney you're describing is connected to the building, but towards the largest fragment of it. There are three different fragments to the tower, as far as we can tell. And we can confirm that based on the structure that we're looking at, where we can't see the other parts of it. It does have a triangular form. So there must be a more steady form behind it, which in other images you'll notice not. And I don't have the image here, but the. In the bottom image, you're looking at where the smaller piece that's actually behind the two images we're looking at.
Cristina: So there's two ways in.
Jack: There's not. I mean, yeah, sure, there's two ways in, but what you're looking at is. Yeah, yeah. So you're looking at the back of it and then the bottom one, we're looking at the front of it. That's technically the actual front.
Cristina: The bottom image, the bottom one is so dark, I can't tell if there's windows. Is there windows?
Jack: There are windows, yes.
Cristina: Okay. Because I know it look really strange if it's just two ways in and then windows. But okay, so there's windows. It looks like it's made out of some kind of brick.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: And I'm not sure what it's supposed to. Like maybe it's a home.
Jack: It's not a home. Doesn't matter what you think it is. Just describe what you see.
Cristina: Yeah, that's all I see. A building, a forest.
Jack: All right, I'll keep adding some details. Yes. It's made out of a red and brown brick style. The main attraction here is the centerpiece that seems to be the focal point of almost every image. And the rest of the structures kind of fade away to the background. The tower has been knocked down over time. That's the most collapsed part. You can actually see it on the other side here. The building is towards the front and you can see the tower towards the back there. And the original building was well known for what you see here, the green. It was covered in moss everywhere. That doesn't get seen in the newer versions because the forest around it has been sort of killed by its own ruins.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Yeah. Preventing the. It sort of covered the ability for dirt to grow grass and s***. So it's ruins are stopping the growth. And so the moss has vanished. And so everything is kind of disappeared. But ultimately it was very covered. Now what you're looking at is called the furnace.
Cristina: Furnace.
Jack: Yes. What you're looking at is called the furnace. And the furnace. That's why it has a chimney. That's where you would let the smoke out. The background pipe is to run different materials. And it's in facility. I cannot tell you what the f*** this was used for originally. There are so many stories, it's not even worth getting into. I'm not talking about what it was used for. Too many things. It's a furnace. Think of uses for it. People were using it for that. Whatever you can think of using cremation. Somebody cremated somebody there. You need to get rid of material that's toxic. Somebody did that in there. It's a furnace. It was used for whatever they say.
Cristina: It was used for. Whatever.
Jack: Yes. I'm telling you what? I'm telling you what. All the information I've acquired. Oh, I'm not adding any sauce to anything.
Cristina: Anything. Okay.
Jack: That was a furnace and was used for many things. I'm not sure which one of them were actually used for. These are just different things it could have been used for. So we're not even gonna bother talking about that.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Because I know you will. We're not Gonna break into what it was used for because it doesn't matter to the ultimate bigger picture of what we're gonna talk about.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: The point of this furnace is that in looking for the kid, I found this. This is one of the places the kid was found. Really? Yeah.
Cristina: What? So that's somewhere in.
Jack: This is the Clinton furnace.
Cristina: Whoa. It's just in the middle of nowhere.
Jack: Just in the woods.
Cristina: That's. That's pretty creepy. But okay, yes.
Jack: So the bridge, very prominent location for the child. The furnace, second, very prominent location for the child. They show up in other places. These are the two most consistent, like last time, a bunch of records that I even put timelines about how often they were mentioned within these gaps. Same idea, except I'm not doing that timeline thing. But these were the two most extreme mentions at the bridge. But we've heard that one a lot.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And looking into that, found very little. Yeah, the furnace, weird anomaly. You start looking into the furnace, you find the furnace's existence. You find public records of the kid being mentioned. Oh, there's been a lost boy. We think we saw a boy loss. We think we saw runaway by there. All these different scenarios of there's a young boy somewhere around the ruins of the furnace.
Cristina: Weird.
Jack: Okay, okay, so that was interesting. So I start looking into the furnace.
Cristina: It has to be a hotspot, right?
Jack: It has to be a hot spot. Or it doesn't have to be a hot spot, but there's something weird about the furnace. And then we find only even in public records, even in documentations of construction, even. There's no direct link as to why this exists, just theories as to why it was there and what it was being used for. Yeah, very strange.
Cristina: How long ago do you have, like a year it was made or something?
Jack: No.
Cristina: Oh, wow.
Jack: No, it's just very obscure information on this. It's sort of unknown.
Cristina: It's just, it's a mystery.
Jack: It's a legitimate mystery.
Cristina: Whoa.
Jack: So I was, I wanted to know who owns this right now, who owns that? And like it's somebody's property. Otherwise I could just go there and say, it's mine. Yeah, somebody owns it.
Jack: So I look at who owns it and okay, it lands right back where we started. It was owned by the Newark Watershed Conservation and Development Corporation, the people who own the woods.
Cristina: Okay, so what were they doing?
Jack: Yeah, exactly. The problem is that existed already and it was bought by NORC when the other guy died. Okay, so we're gonna talk about that for a second. What do we what do you remember specifically about that? Or should I just go into it and not bother.
Cristina: Let me try. Let me try a little. Okay. See, they were hired to investigate the kkk. I think that's what I remember.
Jack: Okay, I'll jump into it. When the owner died, his. Their family. His family sold the property, the castle and the land to the NORC Watershed Organization, the new Watershed.
Cristina: Did you?
Jack: Yes, I did.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: The Newark Watershed Organization was then contacted by the mayor.
Cristina: That's what I remember, the mayor.
Jack: So that they can work. I mean, they were. Contact. Yeah. The Norquater Shed and the mayor. Yeah. Mayor of West Milford work together to investigate because there were reports of cult activity. And so they go and research, come up with nothing. The guy retires, and then we get mentions of the kkk.
Cristina: Oh, yeah.
Jack: They were just working along. So the structure existed before that. They acquired the property, the castle. And that was on the property. So that's theirs too. So that's what the background to that was, wasn't. They were hired to look at the kkk.
Cristina: Because at that time, people were just.
Jack: Cool with the kkk. Unless you were black.
Cristina: Okay. It was about the Colts.
Jack: Yeah. So when Richard J. Cross died, who is a former owner, is when it was acquired. Now looking at the Newark Watershed Conservation and Development Corporation, which for short, I might just call NORC Watershed.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: NORC Watershed was being investigated for corruption from 2008 to 2013. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they were found guilty in 2013 for corruption. Yes.
Cristina: Okay. What are they doing?
Jack: Key thing to matter about here is ownership of the entire property shifts to the city of Newark in 2013, where it has ignored the forest facilities since. Now, Newark Watershed was in charge of maintaining and taking care of the forest. And in the 1950s, as it was falling into disrepair, people started hanging out in that area. And that's what you know. There's kids hanging out in there and we got these reports of satanic things. We cannot have kids trying to think it's fun and scary and go check it out. That's dangerous. We gotta investigate, make sure there's nothing there. So when kids show up, they don't eventually, you know, what was it, 1988 like? You just knock it down. Kids are still going to this f****** day. And that s***'s dangerous now. It's falling apart so much, it's dangerous. Just knock it down so nobody gets hurt out there.
Cristina: Which one they're knocking down? The castle.
Jack: Yeah, the castle. This is about the castle. But so they. When newark acquired in 2013, they just ignored it. But it was already in disrepair. So it was nothing. It's like at least nobody's stealing money and saying they're. So what are the charges that they were given that they were in fact guilty for? So two charges. Let's unpack the first one.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: The first charge is kickback schemes. I'll explain. A kickback scheme is when you create a loop scenario where you get profit off of money that was supposed to go for something else. Usually we call that taking off the top.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Right. So what was happening? No maintenance or oversight was being performed specifically on the property of Clinton Road. The surrounding forests and structures. Specifically on that. They. The Northwatershed organization owns a bunch of things.
Cristina: And they just abandoned it? Pretty much.
Jack: Well, they abandoned this place. They own a bunch of things. They're in charge of maintaining a bunch of places. And they just don't do that for Clinton Road or the forest specifically. That area. All their other s*** is well maintained. And Clinton Road is so wide and the things are so hard to locate within it that there's no point. You could just take them out their word. Whatever. Who's out there anyways? Right. Funding provided by the city of Newark for the property, for maintaining the property was paid to shell companies owned by members of the organization. So fake. Other companies would come in and maintain with the budget provided by. But those companies were owned by the members. Fun. And no worker was sent in to maintain anything.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So all of it, a hundred percent of it is pocket money. On top of the fact that goes through somebody's quote company, unquote. So they get more money through tax and stuff. Because you're running a business.
Cristina: That's so strange that they would pick the spots and just ignore.
Jack: It is so strange. I would pick this spot to be fair. So strange.
Cristina: Wonder why.
Jack: Right?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: They're just stealing the money. That seems like the logical reason. Nobody's gonna look at this. Just stealing the money. What else could we say it is? Right. It's a bunch of people. They know all the property is in ruins or so distant into the woods. And people don't normally get out of their car. Most people are scared. And the few people who make it that far, they're already careful enough. Do this frequently. It's like there's no worries here. Really. Really?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Even the investigation from the 50s was just for caution. No kid is going to go and really get hurt because these are thrill seekers. Which means they're usually the more cautious individuals because they're familiar with thrill seeking. So what do you do? You pocket the money. This is stupid project. We acquired the thing and whatever.
Cristina: Well.
Jack: So what's interesting is in the document, it elaborates as this has been going on for about 70 years.
Cristina: How many? Seven.
Jack: 70 years.
Cristina: 70. Oh, okay.
Jack: Whoa. It could not have been the same people. 70 years is aggressively long. You tell me 20 years, I can believe the same people were doing it. You tell me 70 years. That's two entire lifetimes. If you started at one person, he died, and now another person, then he died. Now that next person is in charge.
Cristina: That's possible.
Jack: Yeah. Except why are they still running this system? Nobody came through who wasn't corrupt.
Cristina: Yeah, well, if they hire the people that are. I don't know. That's interesting.
Jack: Fair enough. Maybe Norquatershed was selecting its employees. Yeah, like, oh, I. I want to lift this guy from this other place and bring him with us. And it's like, you definitely work with him in other places. Probably mentioned, hey, I got some opportunities, you know, if you. If you could be trusted.
Cristina: It became a family business thing. Like, okay, my children.
Jack: Yes, essentially. Right. The names of the individuals, irrelevant. We look at them and it goes nowhere. It's just. They were really just racking in the money. That's it. It's just weird corruption thing. But I don't know. This is weird.
Cristina: Yeah. For seven, 70 years.
Jack: That's crazy about 70 years. And because for 70 years it wasn't maintained. That's why the castle went to disrepair. That's why everything became ruins. Nothing was being maintained and now nothing is left. Yeah, I mean, there's stuff out there, but none of it is maintained. So that is the first charge. The second charge is where it gets a little more interesting because the second charge was bribery.
Cristina: Who are they bribing? Okay, what's going on?
Jack: Well, members of the NORC Watershed organization were receiving third party donations in exchange for not performing all of their duties.
Cristina: Oh, okay. I see. They're getting money from whoever's using the forest to do whatever the mysterious things that people are saying that are happening there. Okay.
Jack: Emails, wire transfers, as well as paper trails dating more than two thirds of a century backed the investigation and the conviction of the members.
Cristina: So it's been happening since the beginning of 70 years to current day?
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Well, not current, but when they decided to do something about it.
Jack: So I. We. There's a lot of math we have to think about right now. 70 years. This happens. The conviction in 2013. If we count backwards, where do we land? You take 10 from 70, you make it 60, that leaves you to 2003. Now you subtract 60 and that takes you to 1940.
Cristina: Okay, 1943.
Jack: Yeah. Right. Now this is, this is where it's going to get a little interesting. And we got to unpack some of these details. Now first. Weird. Before I go on to the next, let's. Let's unpack this real quick. Definitely. It sounds like you're right. There's this third party who's bribing them. Is bribing them for them ignoring the thing. Yes, because it doesn't say what duties they were to ignore. The two charges don't seem in paperwork related, but they're obviously to us. Yeah. You telling me they're being bribed to not do their job and telling me that they were receiving all the money provided for a job that was given directly to them and they were supposed to put for the thing, but they just pocketed and said that's the reality of what's happening here.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Two quote, unrelated, obviously related.
Cristina: Oh my gosh, it's so wrong.
Jack: It's weird too. So who is the third party? And none of you. Like, who the f***? Why are you guys okay with it instead of reporting? Then again, you don't care to be.
Cristina: With the cult, though. It's like the most. Like you were. That was the first time we hear of them. Like, oh, solve that cult problem. And like that cult problem probably took care of them. That's probably where it starts. I don't know. I don't remember what year that starts, though.
Jack: Well, here's what's interesting, right? Because we assume it makes sense that this has been going on since it got bought, except it got bought in 1919. And if it got bought in 1919, then nothing makes less sense than 70 years back. Because even if we started at the year 2000, it would be 80 years already just to get to 1920. Then we'd have to add another 10 years to get to 2010. So that's 90. Or it's almost 100 years apart, but we're seeing 70. And when we do the math, we land in the 40s, 43. And when we find out when the lady was first mentioned, it's 1965.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: We're in the ballpark of something that's happening, but it's unclear what the f*** is happening. We're just insignificant time. So let's dive a little deeper into this. So the two primary members, everybody else was given fines. Everybody else was given jail time. These two spearheaders were given prison time.
Cristina: Okay, cool.
Jack: Now let's unpack the details here. The bribery was. So they discontinue monitoring, specifically the forest. I find that later in the original documents for the courts, in the original case files, they were reported as separate, different cases. And there was almost an attempt, an intentionality to not relate them. It looked very intentional. There was never anybody who clearly stated, well, somebody was doing something in the forest if you guys weren't mentioned. Nowhere. But like, could it be any more obvious?
Cristina: Yes. Who is this? Other people? Where's that? Courtroom.
Jack: Yeah. And like the fact that there was no attempt to connect the dots. There was no attempt on record to connect the dots, but you could find anywhere else that the theories of people just. Yeah, it was definitely that they were getting paid for. Like, people know this. It's just common knowledge that this. Whoever this group was, was clearly paying these people to go in and out. But no document says it. No official court document says it. No official public document says it that they're related. Yeah. You find other non officialized documents throughout time that mention things.
Cristina: None of it mentions who this other party could be.
Jack: No. So, yeah. To allow the third party free access to the lands was ultimately the point. Weirdly enough, the third party's name had been redacted anywhere it had been mentioned.
Cristina: So they know who it is.
Jack: Yep. From everywhere. Doesn't matter where. And there again was an intentionality to not mention their name in a lot of places where it would be obvious that you would. In a proper court structure, you'd probably restructure this to forcefully include the name as often as possible, to reference back as often as possible. Just obviously absent from places. You'd structure things intentionally to have it weird.
Cristina: So they knew. They knew and. But for some reason, you can't say it.
Jack: The city of Nork. No, I don't know if West Milford had any f******.
Cristina: Yeah, but they. The city. What? Okay.
Jack: And I don't know what's happening because again, the mayor of Milford was concerned about weird things. He was the one staging organized like, you know, let's go investigate.
Cristina: Yes. And then he quit. So was he bribed to quit or something?
Jack: Something scary must have happened to him.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So the paper trail extends straight into the very first initial agreement that was signed by this redacted named company. You know what this reminds me of? When we first found the trade route that goes to Epstein's Island. It was a whole episode. And this reminds me of that. I mean, it was like a shipping spot that was Just on this island.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And it would only take one trip, and it was to the Epstein's island. This reminds me of that level of sketch of, like, somebody went far to make this vanish.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: The paper trail goes all the way to 8-3-19. That is the first sighting of the document. 8-3-19.
Cristina: How did they do it, though?
Jack: Like, it.
Cristina: That's so crazy that you said 70 years.
Jack: Like, how it has to be intentional with people hiring. They had to be hand picking everybody intentionally.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It was gonna eventually collapse. It's crazy it lasted that long.
Cristina: Yeah. That's so crazy. Make it last that long.
Jack: But that means they were slipping and that's why they were put on there.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Something was giving, and it was becoming too visible. And it was that time for the city to be like, you guys are not trustworthy anymore for whatever reason.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Because they didn't go in and do anything. In fact, now it's less guarded. It's actively less guarded. And nobody's taking money for it. Nobody's been pretending to garden. Now it's just not guarded.
Cristina: I don't understand. Oh, maybe whoever this third party was realized, like, it doesn't matter. We don't have to keep paying these people. Like, they got them in trouble because now they don't have to bribe them because they know, like, okay, we. The laws make sense now that we don't need them.
Jack: Yeah, Fair. Maybe. It could totally be the case.
Cristina: Things are gonna just work out for us because there's no.
Jack: Yeah. They could have structural structured things in such a way that they're like, we couldn't get caught. And if we did get caught, we couldn't get in trouble.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Like, definitely. It could be. I don't know what the logic behind it is, but it's just a weird shift. This suddenly happened. Something made the Newark Watershed Organization irrelevant. Suddenly.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Not sure what, but something did. And it could have totally been that.
Cristina: Interesting.
Jack: Weird. And here's the thing. We had a period of random cars coming in and out. This sketchy. Unmarked black vehicles coming in and out. This gets signed in 1935, in 1939. And then in 1965. Actually, I have the thing right here. See, the very first mention.
Cristina: Oh, the cars.
Jack: Of the woman is actually 1965. Yeah.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Yeah, 1965. And then where do we get mentions of the cars? Blah, blah, blah. No, 1966. Immediately following the lady. Okay, 1965 is when the lady shows up. 1966 is the cars. 1939 is when the agreement was signed. Now, I had to add this extra note here because of the nature of the situation, but I'm gonna scroll up to that real quick and I'm going to tell you something that is very exaggeratedly interesting. And we can unpack it after I say it. I don't know what it means or what it should mean. Let's unpack some of the acquisition details.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: In 1919, Clinton Road is acquired by the NORC Watershed Organization. In 1939, the Sketchy Deal is performed. That is August 31st, the Last Thursday and day of the month. Why did I feel it was relevant to point that out? The Newark Watershed Organization signs a donor agreement on that date with a third party donor to leave Clinton Road and the surrounding forest unmaintained and unpatrolled. Now, why is the date so significant?
Cristina: I don't know. And tries to guess. I don't know.
Jack: The very, very, very next day is the beginning of World War II. The very next day this gets signed, and the very next day is the beginning of World War II. I don't know if that's relevant in any manner, shape or form. The very next day World War II started.
Cristina: Okay. Now is it coincidence? Yeah.
Jack: Now let's talk about this coincidence real quick. There's three pieces in here that make a lot of sense for what I just said. I don't know what they mean.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: The date this was signed. Sightings of the KKK at the castle. And one other piece that stops it from being coincidences, but suddenly makes it something to observe. How do we start the episode with a boy. Where?
Cristina: In the furnace place.
Jack: There's nothing more N*** Germany than a furnace. Oh, we have the KKK, a furnace and the date before World War II all in the same place.
Cristina: Because we have no idea if that is the kkk.
Jack: We have no idea. We also know that druids look identical to a cloaked man. So, you know, just random details that just seem to build patterns. I don't know what that means. I don't know what the relevance of this date was. I was looking, what significant thing happened around here. Googling and s***. I'm like, what the f***? World War I started the very next day. Hours from this point.
Cristina: Interesting. I don't know. It's just weird. I don't know.
Jack: It's just weird. I also don't know.
Cristina: The boy. If there was other beings around the furnace, that'd be interesting. Like other ghosts.
Jack: There have been. There's just no repetition.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: The boy is who's often seen there.
Cristina: Yeah, he Definitely feels like an echo type of thing. But then he's in two places.
Jack: He's in two places. And we know he's not an echo because of one detail. He interacts with the woman we know isn't an echo and that unless she's playing a role to look like an echo herself.
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: But she interacts with the boy.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So the boy isn't an echo, but he's always like.
Cristina: They never say he's doing something like, what is he doing here?
Jack: I don't know. He's always hanging around the furnace and he's always by the bridge. One or the other. It could just be a legit hangout spot by the bridge. Again, we've seen kids. Apparently they like to come close to the road and see people from the other side us roaming by. This could be that same thing. Kids is cool spot to see people from the other side.
Cristina: But if he and the girl are the same, why doesn't he age?
Jack: I don't know. I don't know. And weirdly enough, I had the same thought and I looked.
Cristina: Is there a man?
Jack: No, no. The boy is always the boy from beginning, straight through. The boy is always a boy.
Cristina: He's a ghost. No matter what he is some kind of ghostly figure.
Jack: He might actually be a jinn. He might actually be a jinn who's achieving human like features somehow. I don't know. I don't know. The boy is weird. There was no age attached to it. It never became a teenager. It was never a young man. It was never an older. There's nothing. No, it's always a boy. Always a young boy. And that's weird because the lady aged around him.
Cristina: That's weird.
Jack: Unless it's different boys. It doesn't seem to be. The descriptions all match. There seems to be very consistent. It could be different boys, but then they're in uniform.
Cristina: That's also very strange.
Jack: But now let's take a step back. This girl could be one of many girls and something extra wrong happened to her. Or all of them are girls and we're seeing a bunch because again, sometimes we still get mentions of the young girl. But rarely. Rarely. Maybe. Maybe there's just kids being experimented on. That fits the suit for 99 of the we've looked into.
Cristina: Yes, but do we never get the girl at the furnace?
Jack: I never know. No records of the girl at the furnace.
Cristina: Okay. What was the furnace doing in there? I don't know. Okay.
Jack: Weird, right?
Cristina: Weird.
Jack: What are we learning? What is this telling Us.
Cristina: There's things that look related but we cannot connect them.
Jack: Yeah. And there's some weird f****** NORC is in on whatever's happening. NORC knows, or at least it has an idea.
Cristina: Or they can't do anything about it.
Jack: Or they can't do anything about it. But no, I doubt that. I think there's. I don't know. Who knows? Maybe you're totally right. Like, what is the force that's so intense we just ignore it, let it go. The less people looking in that direction, the better. Literally dissolve this. Have nobody work it. Just say we're maintaining it and never do. Like, what? That's better than having somebody fakely maintain it. Yes. Less people to go look.
Cristina: That is strange. Yes. Who is this third party?
Jack: Who is this third party? I did everything to try to find any information. It was just non existent.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And it still. It brings into the question the fact that the kids don't age. Then adds this weird question. Because when we were looking at the girl, the lady and the woman, it looks, based on the timeline in which dimensions happen, that there is at least one person who's actually consistent, even if all the others might actually be other people. There is one person that people have seen more who is the same person and maybe all the others are different. So they see a bunch of little girls all the time, teenage girls, and then this one lady who's aged the entire time. They've continued to see all these young girls. They could. I think they're running experiments on children. And what we're seeing is actually different kids and something extra, extra, extra bad happened to this one person and they're somehow trapped in between areas or something.
Cristina: But you think kids are important in this?
Jack: I think. I mean, we keep seeing these children and the girl and like the girl became more rare as time went by. But I think it's because of the prominence of the woman, not because the girls lessened. I think it's the prominence of the woman. Everybody sees the woman, she's there.
Cristina: And the people that hang out on the beach though, are they children? Do you remember? Yeah. Where she gets the water? There's always like people hanging out there.
Jack: You mean the lake?
Cristina: The lake, yes. There's always people hanging out there that we assume are like maybe different echoes from a certain.
Jack: Yes, it looks like those are actually echoes. Or not even a neck. Yes, yes, it's an echo. They're literally looking through a portal into a different time. Yeah, that's not now. And that's not like now would still Be now regardless of which realm you're in. But then would be then regardless of what realm you're looking in. And he's just literally looking at a different time and those people aren't there. That seems to be the case that there's a lot of like time pockets around the lake, which would also like what happened in the lake that she's also so focused on the lake.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: If she's trapped between realms and trying to find a way out. Where the most bubbles exist is where you would be doing the most experiments.
Cristina: I suppose that could be.
Jack: She could be trying to get out or jump into either side. But then, is there an in between frequency you can land in that means that realms would be infinite. If there's an in between space, that means realms are infinite.
Cristina: I don't. I don't know. Because the way they describe the fairy. Using the fairy realm to travel through the shadow realm makes it seem like there is no in between. Like there is, but you can't actually be in the in between.
Jack: Except that is really, really old thinking. Considering we corrected that with how Herme later explained literally being able to just walk in with nothing but thought power. That's very different. How you manipulating reality so much. You could just. I'm here now in L. F. Okay. And that violates what we were reading before. What was other people's interpretation? That they are using it to cut path. And that made it look like satellites. But then eventually we found things that make it look like Earth and shadow are literally just. You boxed off a part of shadow.
Cristina: And called it Earth.
Jack: And it looks kind of like maybe there's some connection there in the same fashion between Elfame and the shadow realm. And in that case, they are physically, literally in Elfame and physically, literally in the shadow realm. When they are moving through those, it would seem that maybe Elfame is smaller somehow. And in return, going to Elfhame could allow you shortcuts, and that would make sense.
Cristina: That would be weird. If it's smaller.
Jack: Well, it's allowing you shortcuts between the other space.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: If it was bigger, you'd travel less. But if it's smaller, you do small distances in Elfame and that's greater distances over here.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: So.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But at least that's just a way of thinking about it. If that's the case, then yeah, it's a frequency. That means there's an infinite number of different frequencies we could jump into. We're surrounded by infinite numbers of realities, literally. And Hermes, actually anybody. And being able to Just manipulate and cross between them. You are beyond what God could ever conceive of being. Beyond. Like our descriptions of the most powerful, exaggerated gods. Even when we look at the research we've done and ground those gods into reality. People who consume entire stars for energy couldn't f*** with a guy who could go into a reality where that star doesn't exist.
Cristina: There he's the only one that seems to really be able to do that. Because everyone else has, you know, the gates or some kind of gates to be made.
Jack: Even Jesus.
Cristina: Even Jesus, yeah. There are gates in this woods that we haven't found.
Jack: Maybe. But Hermes doesn't seem to require anything. No, like the true deal seems overpowered on some other s***. And the more we look at Hermes and the more we compare information to Hermes, it makes things like Santa Claus look watered down. Because, d***, you overpowered as h***. Santa. Few people could f*** with Santa on a real day. Jehovah, with his best technology, would struggle. But I don't think Santa could spot Hermes if he wanted to.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: You know, I think that's the level of difference. It seems too overwhelmingly exaggerated.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: I mean, he can easily go to any reality whenever he wants. An infinite number of different realities. No, nothing is a barrier. Time is an illusion. Place is just a state of mind. What the do you mean, bro? What? This is just how you think and how you move. And the universe works in this way for you?
Cristina: Yeah. That is ridiculous.
Jack: Nuts, Crazy. Crazy. I don't f****** know. But if that's the case, if that's possible, then maybe this lady stuck between realms. I don't know what else she could be doing. I don't know what she could be doing. She's definitely running experiments. I don't know for her, but she looked scared. Or maybe those were other girls. Other girls getting away, getting horrified and being killed by random s*** in the woods. We don't see their bodies and s*** because it's on the other side.
Cristina: There's some type of experimenting going on there.
Jack: It looks like it, bro. And they're running out in gowns. All of them?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Come on, bro. Oh, it's a white dress. Oh, it's nightgown. Oh, it's a raincoat, bro. Let's summarize this way quickly. You're looking at two things and don't know how to describe it. One is a lab coat, and the other one is a medical gown. All of them are those two things. Every description anybody has ever given matches those two things. Who the f*** owns a white raincoat? Back then, when white was harder to make, nobody owned a f****** white raincoat. That's not a raincoat. Anybody who used raincoat to describe this is stupid. I'm sorry. Anybody who was going through these wisdoms. There's a woman in a white raincoat. You have never in your life heard those two words put together. Because nobody f****** owns a white raincoat. There's a lab coat, bro. Come on. And the gown is f******. A medical gown, bro. Medical.
Cristina: But if she's wearing a white something, is she part of the group that we see as KKK's or not? We know they're not really. But the cult members in white.
Jack: No. Because cloaks are very different than gowns. Gowns is you are a patient. Cloaks, you are a wizard. And raincoat your doctor.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: The cloak. I don't know how to relate the cloaks to anything.
Jack: That's just weird.
Cristina: That's just weird.
Jack: The raincoat. That's a lab coat. They are almost identical. And to somebody in the middle of the night, that's the same s***. And the nightgown and a medical gown are both called gowns because they are both gowns and are structured almost identically. Except white is in the scenario we're talking about. And blue is common day pass it. The only difference still f****** nightgowns.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: The only place it gets a little iffy is when they say dress. And you could easily confuse a dress for a hanging nightgown and a little bit of wind. You know? Easy, simple, logical. I am thinking nightgowns and lab coats. That's what it sounds like. There's too many girls. And it looks like they still get mentioned casually, even if predominantly it's the lady in the rain. Quote, raincoat.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: But a bunch of girls in nightgowns? Come on, bro. There's a doctor and a bunch of chicks who were experimented on trying to run away and ask for help. Oh, please save me.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Why they're always asking for help. Why they always street side? Please give me a ride. And then they disappear when you get too close. Because they ain't there. But they see you. You see them. And then neither one of you sees each other when you're too close. They ran away from the facility. Presumably the church. Not the church. The castle is probably still functional on the other side.
Cristina: Yes. We have no idea. Yeah. All these places that are in there.
Jack: Probably maintained like a m*********** on the other side.
Cristina: On the other side. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah.
Jack: That's my theory.
Cristina: I don't know, I like that theory.
Jack: Yeah. I couldn't confirm one way or another, but it's pretty heftily leaning in that direction. Yeah. Let's see some of these details here. The when the city of Newark absorbed ownership of the land, they collected the necessary documentation required for evidence to support their cases. This is weird. And destroyed the rest of the documents. Everything else was destroyed. They only used the documents that would support the case of convicting the individuals. And only that. No additional details. And completely removed the rest. These destroyed documents included the information related to the briber because they were unquote unknowing of the specific rules and regulations pertaining to this particular instance. Unquote. And as a result were, quote, unknowing participants. Unquote.
Cristina: The briber were unknowing?
Jack: Yes. According to these documents, they were unknowing participants because they weren't familiar with these specific laws pertaining to the situation. It sounds like you're describing foreigners. Bro.
Cristina: Interesting. Yeah.
Jack: Sounds like you're describing foreigners. Bro. They're doing legal things and didn't know the laws.
Cristina: They didn't know the laws.
Jack: Yeah. They ain't from here. Bro. They just ain't from here is what you're trying to say.
Cristina: Yeah, right.
Jack: They weren't familiar with the laws.
Cristina: Please.
Jack: Bro. And that's why there is no information related to the third party.
Cristina: They destroyed it. They actively destroyed Directors said they don't know.
Jack: Only use what they needed to convict everybody.
Cristina: We don't understand the laws. That's the excuse. That is so crazy.
Jack: The quote is exactly. Where'd it go? Unknowing of the specific rules and regulations pertaining to this particular instance.
Cristina: Wow.
Jack: And thus get labeled later as, quote, unknowing participants. Unquote.
Cristina: How's that possible?
Jack: That's a lie. That's legally a lie. This is bullshit.
Cristina: That's just so crazy. That's so crazy.
Jack: The conclusion of the collected information pertaining to this, as far as I see it, is a random undisclosed party gets free access in and out of Clinton Road for unspecified reasons. The watershed members as a result use the extra money to hire their pays. This continues as company culture from leader to leader. Right. Until 2008 when an investigation begins that results in the disbandment and the imprisonment of the members. In 2013, that seems to be what I believe happened. Now looking back at the lady. The lady happens. The cars show up. Cops don't investigate this. The only time somebody went in to investigate was for the satanic things.
Cristina: And they said nothing was found.
Jack: Nothing was found.
Cristina: Because they weren't investigating.
Jack: They weren't investigating or they weren't. And they did find something. And that's why that guy quit. Because they did find something. And it was like, well, you went too far. Now your family is in danger. Quit and say nothing.
Cristina: Yes. That has to be it. That has to. Nothing else makes sense.
Jack: Nothing else makes sense.
Cristina: All of this, it's just.
Jack: You found it. Now quit.
Jack: And if you say anything, well, based on what you saw, you would know what would happen.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: You saw it. You personally sent me a message.
Cristina: Yeah. They have no one there.
Jack: There's nobody there. Empty.
Cristina: Very suspicious. So suspicious it's crazy.
Jack: Interesting.
Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What did you find? This is very strange.
Jack: Yeah, very strange. There's no. No literal. It's just like a. I guess it's a summary of my thoughts. It's less of a conclusion.
Cristina: But yeah, but yeah, yeah, something is happening there.
Jack: Something is happening in Clinton Road. Like there's legal forces involved and there's outside third party individuals. There's symmetry with random things. The kkk, the date and the furnace, the lady meeting the boy, the gown, the lab coats. The fact that we found looking identical again. When I found Skywalker Ranch, when I looked at Stonehenge, when I looked here, actually looked here because of what I found over there. I began by looking for distortions. Space time distortions, electrical magnetic distortions. Cold spots that aren't explained by weather.
Cristina: Where their distortions are at. There's so much more.
Jack: Yes, specifically where there is space time distortions of which looking we have weird distortion electrical currents that shouldn't be happening at random time storms that happen shooting times. There's cold spots that happen at random times. There's the holes that show up and go. There's facilities that get seen and disappear. There's people who. And like this fit every suit. Just before I got to everything I just mentioned, just with the anomalies happening in the environment without seeing anything weird.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: That's enough to look. And then the fact that everything weird is here and then you look at all weird s*** and you start coming across all this.
Cristina: Yes, something is happening there. Something is happening and still happening there.
Jack: It's still happening there to this day. To this day. Still going on. But is the lady in the raincoat the same as the girls? That doesn't seem to be the case now because she keeps getting mentioned. And they get mentioned, even if less so. They still get mentioned. People still see the girls. We've never seen the boy age. No boy got Trapped in some. In between. Maybe she's not trapped in between. Maybe she was one of them and joined the bad guys or the good guys. I don't know what they're doing.
Cristina: Yeah. How could you explain what's going on? Whether it's bad or good.
Jack: Whether it's bad or good. There's just something going on.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Now I think she's not the same as the other girls. I think there are multiple females.
Cristina: Poor Kow. It's hard to tell. Because of the clothing.
Jack: Because the fact that there is different sets of clothing and they mention young girls still, even if way less. So you could just assume security got tighter and tighter and tighter and less girls get away.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Or they found the other. Maybe if they're phasing girls into the other side. Because a lot of the ancient experiments were ultimately trying to figure out how to cross thresholds easily. Maybe that's what's happening. And all they're doing is sending them over there and then they just can't get them back or send them into some middle ground or something. And then they're stuck asking for help. Or maybe they do. Maybe it works and they just not sure how to reverse it and get back.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: They're like we're sending them to the shadow Realm. We just don't know how the to get them back out of the shadow world. Maybe these girls aren't jacked up with anything. So they're just on the other side somehow.
Cristina: From experiments.
Jack: Yeah, from some kind of experiment that.
Cristina: Has to do with maybe the cult that's there. The cults? You don't know.
Jack: Whatever Druid activity they see. Because things happen at the f****** council.
Cristina: Is that the next place we're going?
Jack: You ask that every episode. And I've told you there's too much to cover.
Cristina: There's really that much?
Jack: Then again, I was looking at the boy and I found the unrelated furnace. And I didn't even focus on the furnace. Looking at the furnace, I found an entire corruption scheme.
Cristina: That is so crazy.
Jack: Like we're not getting to the castle anytime soon. Or the mines. Both of those are being ignored. Maybe for a year.
Cristina: Wow.
Jack: There's too much other crap to look at. And before we look at any of that, we need the biggest picture possible. Because I'm sure there's going to be too much we don't understand.
Cristina: We need context.
Jack: Yeah, we just need context. I'm sure as we go through other things, this over there will inform this over here. But we need that many crossing wires before we get to what's obviously the center, which has to be either castle or the mines. What's weird is we see people coming in and out of mines and no weird mentions of anything else. But the castle has a bunch of weird s*** happening and there's just people kind of lurking around there. The castle seems almost too obvious, while the Mayans seem almost like. You guys don't wanna. I didn't know they were mines.
Cristina: I didn't know they were mines.
Jack: Yeah. Had to look and find that. People have reported weird things in and out of there. And it's like you guys are burying the mine documents.
Cristina: Was there more? Because you said there's more. So, like, the furnace is already a weird one.
Jack: What, like other structures?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Oh, yeah. There's other structures.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Whether they're weird or not really depends on how deep I fall and what I find while looking there. But there's a lot. There are many small structures and things here. Some other houses that aren't random detail. Every inch of the property around Clinton Road belongs to the castle. When the castle was sold, the castle's property was sold. And that is the entirety of everything we know as the forest around Clinton Road.
Cristina: Including the furnace then.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Including the furnace, the lake, everything from all 10 miles of it belonged to the one castle that was all just one land.
Cristina: Okay. Whoa.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: What is happening?
Jack: Wasn't even bought for that much money. It was sold for like $30,000 and it was 10 miles worth of land. Was watching a video where dude paid for his first home, which was a five bedroom house, and he only paid $3,000 for it. He paid that in 1940.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: $3,000. Five bedroom family home right now is a little over a quarter of a million.
Cristina: Yeah, well.
Jack: Well, it depends. You could find that same size house and it would be a million, depending where you go. Anyways, unrelated to that bunch of random going on, there's definitely something happening there. We have different individuals that seem to be cohesive individuals. We don't know about this kid. I gotta look more into this kid. I tried to connect the dots and have the kid kind of be a focal point for this episode. There's actually surprisingly little information on that kid. The lady's everywhere.
Cristina: This kid is an actual mystery.
Jack: The kid's an actual mystery. The kid. If we didn't have the lady aging, we would see the girls and be very confused. That's another reason that this tells me that those might be different people. Because the cohesiveness comes together when we have a consistent narrative to follow. Which happens with lady, not with the girls. If we just stop at the girls with the gowns and it's a bunch of isolated situations that don't seem to converge anymore. Yeah, and the language changing over time is part of why we can connect the dots successfully. Without that. No, it's just a girl. It's just at that point it's just an echo. Except they seem to be moving and behaving and reacting. So they're there.
Cristina: And the boy may not be an echo, but we have no more information on him.
Jack: The boy responds at least to the girl. And the girl's not an echo. So by extension the kid's not an echo. But then what's happening with the kid? And why aren't you in a medical gown? That's another interesting question. Okay, why are you fully clothed? Normally the girl's in a gown. You're not anywhere they see you. So all these boys, or this one boy, not the same as a girl. But they have a meeting.
Cristina: But they're somehow related. Yes, at the end of the day, they're somehow related.
Jack: They're somehow communicating. And they always meet in the same place. The only place you ever see them interact happens to be the bridge. Interesting, I didn't think about that. The only place. All the documents say the same thing. Ultimately, they point at when the girl is seen with the boy. It's at the bridge. You can see the boy outside of the bridge. You can see the girl outside of the bridge. You never see the boy and the girl together outside of the bridge. You only see them at the bridge. I would argue this might support the frequency theory, in which at that spot the frequency is so exact she can see him and he can see her.
Cristina: Interesting. So then they might not be the same.
Jack: And they walk away from that spot and they're not even in the same place. They can't see each other, they can't interact. If they both leave that spot, they sort of phase back into their normal frequency.
Cristina: Okay, interesting.
Jack: Alternatively, if that is the case, maybe there's not an in between spot. She aged. She's from this side. He does not look like a gem. He's not from the shadow realm. But that spot is still a convergence point. Maybe that kid's no fame. Elves are described looking like people and Nephilim are described looking like people. Most fairies take on human like characteristics oftentimes young kids and short older men.
Cristina: If he's a fairy, then he's way more important than we think he is.
Jack: And that's also why there's way less information.
Cristina: Okay. Is he running experiments in that furnace?
Jack: I don't think he would be running. I think this is an actual kid. I think by whatever measurements qualify as a child in Elfhame, I think that would be the equivalent. And maybe time works so different that hundreds of years could pass for us, and he will still look like a child.
Cristina: Okay. Yeah. Because we don't know.
Jack: We don't know. But it looks like a convergence point. If we try to rationalize, why is it that they're there together, nowhere else?
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Maybe she can't see him anywhere else. Maybe he can't see her anywhere else. That's where they can.
Cristina: Yeah, that sounds right. I don't know.
Jack: Which then means looking at the bridge becomes really important. What's happening there that isn't happening at the castle?
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And if this lady's running experiments, why isn't she running it at the bridge? Or is she trying to replicate what's happening at the bridge elsewhere?
Cristina: Oh, I don't know.
Jack: And what's happening at the bridge fits more like the Vikings solution to the problem by making an area that they can visit but they can't normally cross through. Although eventually they created a crossing point. No, no, no. It was just communication and communication. Yeah, once he drank the blood and then. Crossing point. But yeah. So basically, it sounds like that naturally happened here in that very spot. Except it can't cut. So maybe she's trying to replicate that. So she comes, interacts with the kid, talks her friends. Maybe she goes back and how do I make this thing? And then goes to a place that has a bunch of weird s*** like that happening. The lake. Yes, to study. Goes to the kid, talk. That's another spot that's sort of similar, even if different. Could be. I don't know. I don't know. Spitballing.
Cristina: Is she trying to. I don't know if he has anything to do with what she's trying to do.
Jack: Yeah, he could just be somebody from some side who's really just a genuinely innocent kid, likes to come to the area, observe humans or whatever the. Is happening, and she goes there and communicates with them. Maybe they don't even speak the same language, but, you know, they enjoy each other's company or whatever the. Yeah, they know they're not a harm to one another.
Cristina: But did we see her actually talk to the child? Okay, yes.
Jack: They've passed items from one to another.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: She will reach out to give a coin. He will put his hand out, receive the coin, throw it. He's just hanging out, playing with coins in the water. The fact that he's always doing it makes him seem like an echo. Yes, but then interacting with this chick who isn't breaks that. It's just a chill spot for him.
Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. He seems. He's so strange. I don't know.
Jack: Another random bit. Fairies. Water. Coins tied tightly together. That is a tight, tight f****** mess that happens consistently. Make a wish. Fairy territory. And fairies looking for. You can give a fairy a coin to let you through some area. Like, just weird things like that.
Cristina: Interesting.
Jack: Fairies, coins and water. The lady of the Lake.
Cristina: But he's not that. Or he. If he is, we don't see it. We don't see what's. What she gets from him. If she's getting anything.
Jack: I don't think she's getting anything. I think based on. I don't. I don't know. I don't know. Based on. Solely the public records oftentimes reported the police because they saw something.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: It doesn't seem like it. Seems like just platonic, innocent, nice interactions that happen at the spot and nowhere else in the forest.
Cristina: And then he's not really doing anything at the furnace.
Jack: He was just there, wandering. The same way they see her wandering at the castle.
Jack: Almost like he lives there.
Cristina: Okay. Strange. Strange.
Jack: Which again? The fairy lives by the fire. Okay. Checks out. One of those weird, like, well, there's coincidences everywhere kind of s***. Hangs out by the water, lives by the fire. Like, what the f***? I don't. This is a fairy.
Cristina: I don't know. Yeah, could we. I don't know. The service range.
Jack: True Mysteries. True Mysteries. And I would go as far as to say whatever organization comes in and out is the same organization from the shipping dock. Would have to be so close together. Whatever. Or how many crazy shady organizations are trying the same s***.
Cristina: That's true, too. Like, who knows? I don't know.
Jack: That was nowhere near Clinton Road. And like, what the. Could not be more identical. Shady organizations transporting secret things, entering in and out of places. Epstein's Islands. Clearly a f****** farm for adrenochrome.
Cristina: But is this spot. I don't know.
Jack: I don't know, bro. Anyways. Anyways. Any of you guys have any input for any of this information, feel free.
Cristina: So many questions.
Jack: Too many questions. It is absurd. It is ridiculous. So you guys can go online, do your own research, find this. It's really weird. It gets really complicated. Tell me if you guys find out what the h*** Nord was doing involved.
Cristina: In cleaning Are they still doing something?
Jack: No, they still own it. They still own it to this day since 2013. And yeah. So you know, if you find anything interesting, if you want to talk to us about it, you can contact us on our socials at just convo pod that's on tick tock on Facebook, on Twitter AKA X and I said Instagram on all the places. Whatever. Just just convo podworth forever.
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Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.
Jack: Bye.
Cristina: SA Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.