Rambling 134: The Two Religions

Which has more answers for the mysteries of nature? Theology or Science? How different are these two belief systems? How identical are they? In this episode the duo breaks down the similarities and differences of Earth’s two greatest rivals for understanding the mysteries of nature. Theology and Science ad discussed as powerful religions.

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Topics Discussed: The Scientific Method Atomic Theory Science vs Theology Objective vs Subjective Neil deGrasse Tyson Quantum Computer Morality Universe Jello Catholic Church Allegations

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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

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Cristina: Make them.

Jack: It's always. Look, this show always begins on the woke truth, which is you. You have the obligation to force people. You're obligated for justice. For justice. To force people.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: To do what we're telling you to do, which is make them listen to the show. It's an obligation.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You don't know what kind of danger you're potentially in if you don't.

Cristina: Wait, they're in danger?

Jack: Yeah. The people we're talking to are in danger. They have to make other people listen.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Gotta run out into the show.

Cristina: I thought only the person that they're making listen was in danger, not realizing, like, oh, we're actually making the people do it. Like, they're not just.

Jack: Oh, no, they don't.

Cristina: Doing it for fun to.

Jack: Pretty sure. In the past, I've established that I will put their children in danger.

Cristina: Yes, Yes. I forgot about that. I don't know why I forget about that. It makes perfect sense that the person listening is also like, why would you.

Jack: Do what we're saying?

Cristina: I don't know. Because they're trolls. I don't know. They.

Jack: Look, there are some trolls out there who are just like, let's do this.

Cristina: Yeah, that's what I think. That's how I feel like most of the listeners are.

Jack: I mean, like, let's be real. A huge, like, by vast majority. Like, I feel sorry for somebody who stumbled into this and isn't a f****** troll. They're over here. Like, we're about to get educated and it's like, sure, sure, sure. I mean, look, we're not gonna tell you something that's not true.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: But we're also not gonna tell you something that's not false.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's.

Cristina: It's in there. It's in there. It's a little bit. Yeah.

Jack: But look, okay, okay. Let's be real. Right? Talking about real and fake and false and all this bullshit. Okay. What's let's. It's use a scientific method, right? You could prove. You could prove. What we're telling you is that it's dangerous or whatever. F***.

Cristina: I don't know. Because people say they use the scientific method to prove that the Earth is flat. And I don't believe it.

Jack: See, this is a weird argument because there's two things happening there. Some people think they can use science to prove the Earth is flat, which is in itself a little bit dumb, considering.

Cristina: I'm not sure if they know what the science. Scientific method is, though.

Jack: Yeah, they definitely don't because they are confused about the replication part of the pro of the whole program. Like, if I came to the conclusion, the whole other half, they're missing the. I did it and got this result. It's okay. Repeat it and get the result and then let somebody else repeat it and get the same result. They're missing that part. They're like, no, I got it the first try. I got it. I don't need any more proof. I understand. And it's like, this is science. This. Yeah, I'm sciencing, okay? And it's like, all right, bro, come on. But it's like, oh, some people also believe the f****** science is fake. And they use that to prove the Earth is flat. Like, all the science is wrong. Thus the Earth cannot be browned.

Cristina: So the scientists are wrong. I mean, they're not using the scientific method or there's something wrong with the scientific method.

Jack: God, that's so sort of the scientific method. It's not that something is inherently wrong with the scientific method. It's that it's not as right as they claim. They pretend that the scientific method is infallible, but everything is a theory because nothing has been proven. You just have overwhelming evidence for certain things, and you claim that to be as close a truth as you get. For example, the atomic theory. There are atoms. We behave and like the probabilities are in the favor of atoms by vast majority. We've built science around the concept that there are atoms. Technology relying on the idea that there are atoms. Also. We have no way to prove there's an atom. There's just not a thing we can do.

Cristina: We can't see them.

Jack: No, we're touching something, behaving in some way. We're not exactly a million percent sure.

Cristina: We're like seeing his shadow or something.

Jack: We're seeing data.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And not even all of it. That's why we keep finding s*** inside of a f****** atom.

Cristina: In an atom.

Jack: Yeah. We discover s*** about atoms all the time.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: If we're looking at atoms, that's where it gets shaky. Yes, because, like, what the f*** are we looking at?

Cristina: Mm. So then the scientific method is not the way to go.

Jack: It's the best method we have. It's better than religion, at least for the purposes we're using it for. Okay, fair enough. That's wrong. That's wrong. Although the statement that I followed it with, the purpose we're using it for, that statement corrected what I was saying. But ultimately it's about as useful as religion.

Cristina: It's as useful in what way?

Jack: Well, science leans into understanding the objective things that both you and I experience. That's very objective. We can both see a table in front of us and say, this is a table. You're saying table. I'm saying table. Okay. The table exists within the objective reality. Yes, but there are things you feel that nobody but you feels. They can try to explain what they're feeling, but you can't feel it too. Yeah, maybe it's the same. It might sound like the words you'd use. But also we're limited by our language, so maybe you just land on those words because you're the closest. Yes, but they're wrong.

Cristina: And you're saying religion is like that.

Jack: Religion is like that. Religion is aiming to explain the subjective world.

Cristina: Subjective world, yes.

Jack: While science purely, purely, purely aims at the objective things that we can all see and replicate. You cannot replicate something subjective. It's a personal experience. Yes, but you can.

Cristina: But the Bible is trying to explain that sort of.

Jack: The idea of theology in general is to explain that. Sure. There's some cross pollination. Right. So you end up with, like, morality inside of science, the concept of morality, what's right and what's objectively right and what's objectively wrong.

Cristina: Yeah, we.

Jack: It's loosely philosophical science. Like if we gave you a thought experiment and ran you through these things, is this right? Is this wrong? Could we put somebody else through the test? Like, you're using the scientific method to work with psychology.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And philosophy. But in. In religion, you're dealing with a completely different monster, which you're trying to reflect on what's inside of you. But there's the same cross pollination of. Well, we can try to tell you why the earth is at all, why we exist or what. Like, you know, there's that problem that exists in both. They're not really necessarily being used for what they're being used for. Yeah, they need. They want to explain everything. Both things but you can't.

Cristina: But why do they want to explain everything?

Jack: Because they're both religion and it's more about collecting the largest following than it is about being practical and useful. That's the same reason that scientists don't have the language to convey the information to the common person. Scientists are kind of f****** stupid. We think of scientists. Oh, they're so smart. A scientist is no smarter than a teacher who's a master at teaching than a construction worker who's a master at construction. They just happen to be in chemistry. So they're great at f****** chemistry. Or in physics. Or great at physics.

Cristina: But that doesn't mean they're good at teaching.

Jack: Yeah, that doesn't mean that they're good at teaching. They're just good at their thing. They're smart, not intelligent.

Cristina: People confuse those two.

Jack: Confuse those two s****. Too often people think intelligence collected. No, that's how fast you use information. That's how flexible you are with information. Most scientists, like theologists, are just smart in that one area.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they're ignorant to every other thing. Why is the joke? The scientists are extremely awkward people. It's because they have no social skills. They're not like interpersonally intelligent.

Cristina: Unless you count the few that are popular now.

Jack: Like Neil is not interpersonally intelligent. He is kind of rude. A bit aggressive, stubborn and rigid comedians for. Yes.

Cristina: Never mind. He has a shortcut.

Jack: He has buffers. Yes, he has buffers.

Cristina: He needs.

Jack: Oh, so like Neil is an intelligent guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He is not just smart, he's intelligent. The problem is he's stubborn and heavily ignorant. So he'll use the information he has in clever, clever ways to just create a loop of confirmation bias rather than allowing other information into his thing. Yeah, he's just very, very. To him it's a religion.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Neil worships the science. He knows.

Cristina: Yes. Cuz well, to him he knows him.

Jack: He knows. He knows how the universe came to be. He knows what? And if the question seems to not fit, which we've heard many times, he'll say it's irrelevant. That question itself is flawed because it holds no meaning. It's like there's no such thing as a meaningless question, bro. He does not study Alan Watts.

Cristina: No.

Jack: He does not understand the true granular nature.

Cristina: What kind of intelligence or smarts is Alan Watts?

Jack: He's entirely about teaching. He's like Einstein. It was all just like he was really good at communication. He's a communication intellect or smarts. He's got communication smarts and he has interpersonal smarts that they can do very good at communicating their ideas and making it accessible to the commoner. That's the whole point of the theory of relativity. Very, very. Or not the book. Relativity. It's very, very visual dialogue. The whole point is a train is doing this and this is happening and it's going this fast and you're witnessing this as it's happening. And like you'll have the numbers. It's on the page also. You can f****** ignore it because the visual he's giving you is the numbers.

Cristina: Makes sense.

Jack: Yeah, it makes just as much sense.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: He was a scientist who studied science and used other methods to teach, not just science. Neil is just a scientist and doesn't know s*** else. He's all the blind spots in the world.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Only science. Just science. Nothing but science. You threw him in a random place. He starves to death. He has no idea how to survive. Because science is the. And specific science is astrophysics. The end.

Cristina: Yeah. That's not good.

Jack: That's all he's got.

Cristina: Deserted island.

Jack: Yeah. He's f*****. We look at space. Oh. Something's gonna. At that point he collapses into religion.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: Which is the other side of this. Because religion also has the same problem. Religion is trying to force crap down people's throats and also fails at explaining things in a way that makes it more accessible.

Cristina: I don't understand why they want to try to explain everything with religion though.

Jack: Why are you trying to explain everything with science?

Cristina: Okay. I guess it's both the same thing. Why does everything.

Jack: I don't know. They just want to do that. But I mean they're both the same. I guess the.

Cristina: So it's just like. We just will need an explanation no matter what we're using. We just. We just need everything solved. There can't be no mystery.

Jack: Yes. Yes.

Cristina: Because then that's danger.

Jack: And I guess that's ultimately where both science and theology come in.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because they're both trying to answer the questions. All of them. They're both trying to answer all the questions. They're so scared of having unanswered questions.

Cristina: Yeah. Because that could be something dangerous there. I guess. I don't know. Like what's gonna happen if we don't know?

Jack: Alright. Let's say we. We go in and we do some science and we find out in 15 years Earth is going to be hit by another planet that's gonna enter our system. Stray.

Cristina: Cool.

Jack: Okay. What are we doing? We don't have the technology to get ever. It's f*****. It's done. Technology, Nothing's happening. We're f***** up.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Well, we move to Mars. Doesn't matter. Two planets collapsing next to each other, crashing into one another. That close in proximity, the debris is gonna fly out and destroy Mars. It's crazy.

Cristina: So then what do we do?

Jack: We're all dead. It's the end of the human race.

Cristina: Okay. That's because we needed to know though.

Jack: Yeah. We found out and like, great. Now we just know we're gonna die.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Could have been a surprise.

Cristina: Yeah. Maybe surprises aren't so bad. I don't know.

Jack: Could have been a surprise.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But no. Although on the flip side, as that planet closes in and it gets closer over the weeks and months, those storms are going to be crazy apocalyptic scale.

Cristina: We're just going to enjoy that end of the world before the death.

Jack: No, it's going to be horrifying. All the volcanoes erupting simultaneously. Hurricanes and tornadoes everywhere. Megastorms.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Earthquakes everywhere.

Jack: The planet will be squeezed by the gravity of another planet. Getting crazy close.

Cristina: That's so cool, man. If we were far away, but I guess we're already doomed and like able to watch it.

Jack: That'd be cool.

Cristina: Yes. If it was hitting another planet. If it was hitting another planet, where we are though, we'd still die, right? Like it doesn't matter.

Jack: Like it would have to be a pretty far planet.

Cristina: Like if it was hitting Pluto, which I guess isn't a planet, but let's imagine that it is.

Jack: It depends how it hits it. Like Pluto's pretty far.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like we could still expect some s*** to happen though.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like there's gonna be the brief flying around.

Cristina: Like how big is this planet that's hitting Pluto?

Jack: That's another good question.

Cristina: Like it's gotta be bigger than Pluto.

Jack: If it's a planet.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. So what does that do?

Jack: It's a potential problem.

Cristina: We'll probably still die. You think we would still prepare though to get out of here? I think we've had over doomed.

Jack: No, we can't leave the solar system. We don't have the time.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Even if I say 20 years, we still don't. We don't have the time. Anything that's close to the orbit of Jupiter as that debris flies out in every direction is f*****. Even in a long term.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And anything that is in order, like a lot of those rocks are gonna get pulled in. We're towards the inside. Like we're way closer to Pluto. So we're what we're Based on the reference point of Pluto we're in, there's.

Cristina: Gotta be a scientist that's, like, dying though, right? Like, he's, like, worried, when is this giant rock gonna come out of nowhere? Because we don't know everything that's traveling in space at the same time right now with us and how everything is moving. Like, a planet could come out of nowhere. Can it? Or is that a very low possibility?

Jack: I mean, let's be real. A planet could kind of come out of nowhere. Random s*** exists. We suspect there's planets in our belt now.

Cristina: Yeah. But there's also, like, planets that aren't attached to galaxies. Or are they all attached to galaxies?

Jack: Stars.

Cristina: Stars. Sorry. Yes. Are they only attached to stars or are they flinging everywhere?

Jack: There are some planets that are just rogue. Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah. So.

Jack: And our star can capture one.

Cristina: Could capture it.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Without hitting anything?

Jack: Oh, no, it could definitely hit everything.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It could hit f****** everything. Like, it's highly unlikely that it hit anything.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: But, like, it's possible that it could be caught and enter the gravity and stay, like, caught orbiting. But it's probably gonna f*** some s*** up.

Cristina: Yeah. Man. There is someone stressing about this. That's why there's so many of, like, Planet X is coming. Because. Yeah, there are people stressing about this. We're in space. That's. With so many things we can't see, we don't know where they are all the time. We need that quantum computer.

Jack: But we're. We're kind of sort of dealing with. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Like, science isn't perfect.

Cristina: No.

Jack: There's no equation we could run and just be like, it's over there.

Cristina: What if we had that quantum computer, though?

Jack: That quantum computer would get pretty f****** close.

Cristina: So. But not perfect.

Jack: Like, it would. It would. The better the quantum computer, the more accurate.

Cristina: Yeah, but there's no such thing as a perfect.

Jack: No. Because it would need infinite energy to calculate everything.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're thinking with a massively complicated quantum computer, we can not just do the surfaces of planets the way we've successfully done on certain things like the space engines and even video games have access to a lot of this technology now. But we're talking. Actually, I think Google Earth, if you zoom out far enough, you can get the galaxy Simcha. I'm not sure. But we have that technology available to render the outside pretty accurately.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We're getting the. The idea of a quantum computer would essentially lead us to a computer that could render not just the surface but the inside of planets and like all the kind. But we wouldn't do it in the whole universe because it too much.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: That's. That's where the problem is.

Cristina: We can at least see our neighbors.

Jack: Yes, that help. We'll probably be able to do local things and that as it expands in complexity, we'll be able to do more.

Cristina: And more until we have a map.

Jack: Of the whole thing of our galaxy, maybe our galaxy galaxy. But we also have to be in certain places in order to get the proper angle for the computer. Because the computer still gonna process information it's receiving. It's not guessing.

Cristina: Yeah, we'll have the science.

Jack: Yeah, hopefully. But then that's the problem with religion.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Because religion is also doing the same thing. They're just claiming, just like science, that, you know, we got the f****** answers. We know. And it's like meteor came or f****** planet was hurling our way. You don't f****** have anything. Religion is the same f****** way. It's like we know where everything's going when it's ending. How, why?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Who's going where? White. They're going there. It's like you. You're basing all of this on a book of metaphors.

Cristina: Well, most people don't even know what the book is saying though.

Jack: I mean, the people who f****** wrote it know what the book is saying. Cryptic a** mess.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's all interpretation.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's crazy as h***. It's all bigoted machista interpretations going on.

Cristina: So I don't know that's it's such a mess of a book. How is anyone getting any information from it?

Jack: The creation of the universe, nevertheless. Answers for human behavior nevertheless.

Cristina: Yes. When the end of the world is happening, what?

Jack: Things have their place. And we fail at realizing that things have their place. Religion has its place and so does science. And it is in that science should just be focusing on the objective and theology should just be focusing on. Because again, they're both religion. So theology should be focusing on the subjective and that should be the division you should use. The real purpose of religion. Right. Is a meditative tool. You might believe that there's literally something there that's totally fine.

Cristina: Whatever about the moral values you get from it.

Jack: That's where you're at. Exactly. That's where you're starting to land. That's the point one. When it comes to morality, that's neither religion nor science. That's pure or theology. I keep saying religion, neither theology or science. That's philosophy. Really? Really.

Cristina: It should. So it should stick to that, then.

Jack: It should stick to that. Because the problem is it's a way of thinking about things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To say blankly there is a right or wrong is something that science tries to do and something that religion tries to do. But in neither instance could you prove anything.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Because in science, you would argue everything is ones and zeros. Nothing holds inherent meaning. Well, wrong. If I shot you, you would be very frustrated. Even if you couldn't feel pain, if you just knew you were shot, you're like, f***, you suck.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You need to feel pain. You're not gonna die. You just shot. You're just like. You're an a******. That was shot.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Why do you feel that way?

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: Okay. In religion, they claim that everything is inherently good or bad, but you couldn't point at an example of either that you're basing the argument that this other thing is on.

Cristina: Where is this pure good or pure evil?

Jack: Exactly. How are we pretending there's any. But again, morality is neither. It's a way of thinking.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Reference point of, well, what would bother me? Why would it bother me? Okay. These reasons, then that means it would probably bother them in a more or less similar fashion. Because we're more or less similar.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then use that generalization. There's already a guideline, a set of rules that you're like, I don't know where it came from, but it's there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Religion would say, that's not a f****** thing. That's all in your head. Religion would say, well, God put it there. Who cares? It's. There's some thing that's there.

Cristina: Yes. That's so crazy. Okay. Yes.

Jack: That's. That's all it is. It's all that matters. There's a thing that was f****** there.

Cristina: Mm. In you.

Jack: Not necessarily in you, but it's both objective that you can confirm with somebody else. Man, this would suck if this happened, right? Yeah. Yeah, it would suck if that happened. Why? If neither would have ever experienced it, I don't know, but I know it would suck.

Cristina: Yes. That's the way it should be.

Jack: You'd be an atheist and that would happen.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In fact, that is the argument for atheism.

Cristina: What is?

Jack: Well, we don't need religion to be moral people.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: It's like.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then what is morality, bro? It's not science either. It's not like science is like. Science is ones and zeros.

Cristina: Apparently they think there's morals in there.

Jack: They try to explain, to explain away morals. Oh, but you have the Sensation of morals.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: While religion tries to say that for a fact there are morals. But also no. Because we're basing it all on our own opinions.

Cristina: Yes, we definitely have opinions. Yes, that's for sure.

Jack: That's for sure. We definitely have opinions. The weirdest thing, we could agree on these opinions.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like pretty. Pretty heavily, universally.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To just say this is good, this.

Cristina: Is bad, but these are all just opinions.

Jack: They're all just opinions, but they're somehow universal opinions that we all agree with. It's sort of like the concept of creativity. What are you tuning into that allows you to see this thing that doesn't exist?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Whatever that is. Probably where morality comes from.

Cristina: Imagination.

Jack: We're like, being creative about our approach to perspective in general.

Cristina: Mm. I don't know. Where does that come from?

Jack: I have no idea. But I don't know why these things aim to do these things. They try to force so much crap onto one another. And the problem is they also have because so funny. They pretend they're not. They're not each other.

Cristina: You're saying they're the same thing? Yeah.

Jack: Theology and science pretend they're not each other, but they are both sides. I'm gonna take a scientist and a priest and say that they're both way committed to their sides. Scientist is. I'll say. I don't know why this is the comparison. But we'll say Neil Degrasse Tyson with the Pope.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So the Pope will have to preach God. Yes. For a fact. He's up there. True, true. That woke truth God. Yeah. Sky Daddy team or whatever the f***. Team Sky Daddy.

Cristina: Who says that? Are religious people saying that?

Jack: Sky Daddy. I don't know.

Cristina: Those are people making fun of religious school, man.

Jack: Is that. They have a Sky Daddy. Come on.

Cristina: Yes, they have a Sky Daddy. Yeah. I mean, he's not in the sky, is he?

Jack: Dude, they swear. I mean, I don't know what they think.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: Do they think there's no space?

Cristina: The space is very small, or.

Jack: No, not even that. Or. Man, it's weird because what do some people really think is happening, right?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: It's f****** strange. Like, do they think it's just like over the clouds, Heaven?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it's like, wow, this is small.

Cristina: Like, you know in Mario, where there's a plant that grows, and then you can climb the plant and then there's clouds and you can step on the planet clouds.

Jack: Jack and the Beanstalk.

Cristina: Yes. But in Mario version, I guess that's based On Jack and the Beanstalk. Yeah. That's heaven.

Jack: Yeah. It's all the same.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Well, ultimately they are the same thing, though, because they both have the. The Golden Grail, which is what they both follow, which is their scripture.

Cristina: What is the scripture?

Jack: In theology, they have literal scripture that they call scripture.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And in science, the scripture is science journals.

Cristina: Science journals.

Jack: Yeah. Let's discuss science journals real quick. It's a book written by people who aren't you.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They've done, quote, research and run experiments that you don't know anything about and you can't and don't have the resources to replicate.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And then they put it in a book, and then other people, you don't know say, yes, true. And then they tell the rest of the world, and people are like, yeah, that's true.

Cristina: But those people that said, yeah, that's true. They tested it out.

Jack: Yeah, totally. How is that any different than the guy who saw Jesus? And the other guy's like, I saw him too.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And it's like, right, But I didn't see Jesus. Where's Jesus? No, don't worry. I saw Jesus. Yes, and I saw him, too, but I didn't. You two saw him. How do I know you two aren't lying?

Cristina: He was on the toast. I ate him. I was hungry, was what. He was on the toast and I ate him because I was hungry.

Jack: Oh. But, yeah, that's pretty much how it goes. Science is that. That's science.

Cristina: It's religion.

Jack: It's religion.

Cristina: And so it's religion.

Jack: It's no better, no worse. It's just choosing to explain s*** differently. Yeah, I mean, I've given the example before, but let's do it again. We take science and we take theology.

Cristina: Let's.

Jack: Let's use the common American Western religion of the singular sky. Daddy, Jehovah. Jehovah, Papi, Jehovah. Right. So you have nothingness except for this one thing that exists and encompasses all that there is. We'll call that God or singularity, whatever. It was always there. And then it was like imma blink into existence. A bunch of s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so it happened. God started bringing crap in, and so the singularity blew up and started spewing out all the matter that would become crap. And as all the matter spewed out, first plans started to take shape. God was on that roll, too. Once he had the planets, started making the heavens and the water, the oceans and s***.

Cristina: But his orders are kind of weird, though. I don't know if his orders of making things made sense. I don't remember.

Jack: The order isn't necessarily important because all the parts were there.

Cristina: Yes, yes. The conclusion I guess is important.

Jack: Parts also, how do we know what order it happened for? It was Jello at the beginning.

Cristina: It was Jello.

Jack: Yeah. We barely got told that part. Everything was Jello.

Cristina: Was.

Jack: Yeah. It was so hot. Solids were impossible. Oh, solids only happen during cooling.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: That's why water becomes ice. Cuz cooler. But when water is really hot, it's just vapor. So it was so hot. Everything was first vapor, but then it got just warm. Just cool enough that it wasn't just vapor, it was Jello.

Cristina: So in the beginning there was Jello.

Jack: In the beginning there was Jello.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Couple of seconds into the creation.

Cristina: Okay, this is the science version. Yeah, it was Jello. Okay, cool.

Jack: So God then made planets and that Jello solidified and made some planets and stars and yeah, everything became spheres. Yeah, God made the sun. Stars happened in science circles are my favorite. That sun had enough gravity to pull matter together and made planets and. Well, science says that plans began. So you just follow the train of thought and all the same parts happen. You're trying to explain all the same things. Where do we go when we die? Well, neurology says, okay, religion, what happens when we die? Well, the Bible says when you die, you go to try and explain the same s***. Yes, just religion. Both are religion, theology and science.

Cristina: Especially when explaining death. It makes no sense for either. For either. Yeah. What?

Jack: Who the f*** are we to try to explain death?

Cristina: No. Yeah, there's no way we will know. Based on what exactly? I don't know.

Jack: It's ridiculous, isn't it? That being said, if we tried to prove death right, like what's on the other side? How the f*** would do that? If there was a way, what would be the way? It couldn't be religion. It would have to be science.

Cristina: It has to be.

Jack: Because you need to use something that we, that we could ourselves see. If it's subjective, it wouldn't work.

Cristina: Yeah, that's because like the dead guy.

Jack: Saw it, but the dead, he can't tell us. Yeah, we need a living person to see the other side.

Cristina: Science to find out what's happening.

Jack: They both serve their purpose. They both serve their purpose. Definitely. If you look at, in the case of science, you can, you can do a lot of things. We built cars and GPS and bunch of f****** s***. We're talking into microphones that are sending sound waves through a wire into a computer. That's Recording it. And then later that's gonna become a different kind of file that then is gonna be mass distributed to the planet. That's science.

Cristina: Yes. And they're evil.

Jack: The Bible didn't make that happen. But science tries to say that religion is unimportant.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or I guess it in itself is religion. But theology. And theology does a couple of good things, which is it tells stories that allow us to understand the world differently. And at any given moment, theologies have the best idea. Now we're in such a technologically advanced, particularly the Western societies and the. I guess Asian societies are really, really like Eastern Asians are very advanced and a lot of the western culture that we are losing the purpose of religion because it was there to tell us stories that would protect us when we're in danger, give us anecdotes about bad places to be, bad behaviors to have conflicts that could happen as a result.

Cristina: But now we can just tell each other that through the Internet.

Jack: Yes. And so we don't need a lot of these things that came from religion. But spirituality is important.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It makes you feel connected. That's important. That's not just philosophy. There is something else happening when you're talking about spirituality.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There is a thing you feel that isn't your emotions.

Cristina: Do you get spirituality from religion or is that its own?

Jack: It's a close estimate.

Cristina: It's.

Jack: It's a close way to get it. You can also get it from. I guess you could experience. You could get it from anything.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's just religion seems to be the best at doing that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because it's the best at making you feel connected.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like everything is like in science. They're so boring with it. Ones and zeros. You are made of stardust. Great line, bro.

Cristina: Hey, that's sort of connected. That's a very connected thing.

Jack: The lack of explanation of. What does that mean? Well, you made of stardust means the same matter that blew out of the singularity spread out into the universe pretty evenly distributed and then started clumping together. And then that same thing eventually made oceans and made trees and made parasites that were alive and germs and cellular creatures started to get complicated. And these are same atoms still and particles and crap together forming that. You tell that story and you're like, oh, we're all connected. I made the same s*** you're made of. But if I'm like, we're all stardust, it's like. It sounds like some f****** song.

Cristina: It's beautiful. It's a beautiful story.

Jack: We're all made of stardust.

Cristina: Yes. It kind of sounds hippie ish. For something that's scientific.

Jack: Yeah. Religion is pretty hippie ish too. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's the fact that we try to force it down people's throats that is a really.

Cristina: Forcing down anything down people's throat is a problem, whether it's science or religion or whatever. I think that's the biggest thing.

Jack: Yeah. My biggest problem is how we all have the capacity to believe in things that we've not proven ourselves.

Cristina: And then forcing it through other people's throats.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Sleeves. Like why?

Jack: That's weird and complicated, right? Yes, man. Cuz we don't know s*** about s***. We're really winging it pretty f****** hard.

Cristina: Why can't we just be honest about that?

Jack: I don't know. We're scared of the unknown crap.

Cristina: That's what we're. That's why we have all this in the first place.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We're scared of the unknown. That's why we have it in the first place. Because we're scared of the unknown.

Cristina: That's why we have science and religion and Etc.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Because we're scared.

Jack: And we need answers. And those of us who don't have the skills to practice these things actively will just take whatever answers they give us. Because it's better than not having any clue.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then incorrect information beats no information.

Cristina: I understand. But still, why give it? Why force it onto other people?

Jack: My. My big problem is why do we have a fear of the unknown?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like what's wrong with it? Everything is unknown. We don't really know s***. Come on, man.

Cristina: That's why people need to check out Alan Watts. Then they'll see, like.

Jack: Yeah, it's all meaningless.

Cristina: It's all meaningless. But it's a good meaningless thing.

Jack: I mean, that's all about.

Cristina: It's really about just enjoying the moment.

Jack: The problem is the four answers to the glass. Half full or half empty.

Cristina: What?

Jack: There are too many variants of how you can take the same information.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. Yeah.

Jack: The glass is half empty. Yay. There's more for me to do. The glass is half empty. F***. Half is already done.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The glass is half full. Ah. Half the work is done. Sweet. The glass is half full. F***. Somebody has already filled out this part. Like, it sucks. It doesn't matter.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's really like there's no right. And every individual basis.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that's why we have the two different systems the same way. The glass is Half full or half empty. We have religion and science. Two different sides.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To kind of try to grasp everybody. Some people are more critical thinkers. Some people are more emotional. Some people require a little more spiritual feeding. Some people don't have a spirit. They're like borderline sociopaths. And so they do the numbers thing. Cold as f***.

Cristina: Whatever. I guess it all fits.

Jack: It's meant for somebody.

Cristina: It's meant for someone, but it's all.

Jack: Doing the same s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then enter philosophy. The. The winner guy. Daddy. Of the f****** ideologies of the religions.

Cristina: The sky daddy.

Jack: Yeah, we got theology and we got science. But, like, they both rely heavily on philosophy.

Cristina: Well, they both look down on philosophy.

Jack: Too, though, which is so funny, because they depend entirely. There's nothing they could do without it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They think they're the next step.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're not. Because science is what you get when you make philosophy rigid. And religion is what you get when you strip out the thinking part.

Cristina: Strip out the thing. That sounds bad. Yeah, it's not bad, I guess. You don't need to be thinking all the time.

Jack: You don't need to be thinking all the time.

Cristina: Your brain needs a break.

Jack: Yeah. If you're thinking all the. And that's another problem. We've deluded ourselves to think that.

Cristina: That we have to be thinking.

Jack: You have to be thinking. The act of meditation is training to not.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which we gotta train into. Because of how programmed we are to think all the time.

Cristina: Yeah, I have that problem. Yes, I know.

Jack: The idea is going back to the fact that you mentioned Alan Watts. A person who thinks too much spends their time thinking about thoughts. And you're not present. You're just worried about thoughts that aren't happening.

Cristina: And then you're wasting your life away. Yeah. It's very depressing.

Jack: What's the point of thinking about thoughts? You're not. You're thinking about thoughts. You're not experiencing anything else to think about.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Go and experience emotion, then think about it. You got to be there to experience it. If you're thinking thoughts while you're there, you're not experiencing the thing. You're blocking out the experience by thinking thoughts.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Experience it later. Have thoughts about it.

Cristina: So it's. It's so, so sad. But, yeah, it's beautiful.

Jack: Alan Watts, philosophy. Right there.

Cristina: It's perfect.

Jack: Stop thinking thoughts.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's getting in the way of life.

Cristina: Yes. It's getting in the way.

Jack: Yeah. You thinking thoughts is getting in the way of your life.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's a weird thing. To be told by anybody. You're thinking too many thoughts.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What the f*** else would I be thinking? Nothing. You'd be thinking nothing. Stop thinking thoughts. Think nothing.

Cristina: Just be.

Jack: Just be present. Do what you're doing. Roll with it. Be impulsive, whatever. Who gives a s***? Be present.

Cristina: Yeah. And that doesn't mean, like, not do. Like, if you like science or philosophy, like, whatever. Still do those things. Yeah.

Jack: But don't be rigid about any of it. Yeah, well, we gotta follow these rules. Neil does not have fun in life. That's why trolls have way more fun than Neil. Neil Degrasse Tyson is a miserable man.

Cristina: He said trolls, though. How do you compare trolls to this?

Jack: The idea here is that a troll finds it funny. They'll laugh it off. Neil gets kind of angry. It's like the difference between me and you, dude, is I have more fun in life because I laugh at it. I found it funny. Life better. You found it something that had to be corrected, explained. And that's problematic because you're angry at the fact that it's not happening the way you want it to happen.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's weird. But it's sort of the reality of the matter. It is f****** weird. I don't. I don't understand, but it is. I guess it is a f****** fear of the unknown. That's always. I don't know where that comes from, though. Evolutionary. Right, we're just evolutionary f****** scared of what we don't know.

Cristina: Yes. That's probably the explanation. Most likely has to be right.

Jack: Because animals are scared of what they don't know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And this.

Cristina: They all do.

Jack: Defense mechanism.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's survival. The problem is we became symbolic, metaphoric creatures seeking meaning in the fabric of the universe, which is all riddled with unknowns. So we get to think about the unknowns rather than just instinctively be afraid of them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then religion and science happen, and.

Cristina: Then we're trapped in our own thought loops.

Jack: We're thinking too many thoughts. And that is science and religion. We're just f***** bouncing between these two. We're either one or the other. We're arguing against one or the other.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And forcing people. No. You're gonna go to h***. But you don't know that. Somebody told you that. And the guy who told you that didn't study it. Didn't go prove that s***. You just got given the answers. Yeah. So many people f****** claim to be religious and have never picked up a single Bible. I find that magnificently hilarious.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh, I'm a Christian. Oh, yeah. What did Paul say? Who's Paul?

Cristina: No way.

Jack: What?

Cristina: Okay, that's how bad it gets, dude.

Jack: That's how bad it gets. It's just like. But look, if you say like, I believe there's something greater than me, that's fine.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I'm Christian. Are you though, bruh?

Cristina: You test them out.

Jack: Even worship, bruh. You even worship, bruh. I guess at that point that's how you gotta treat these people the way you do. Like people who wear banties.

Cristina: What are band tees?

Jack: T shirts with band names on them.

Cristina: Oh, band T's.

Jack: Yeah. You gotta be like, name three songs. I'm a Christian. Alright. Name three apostles.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Name three apostles, bruh.

Cristina: Then name three things they said.

Jack: Name three things they each represented. Yeah, let's go. It's like, what?

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: Which one of the apostles did Quizdom tribute night? You Christian? All right, come to my house. You Christian? All right, come to my house. At this time tomorrow, we're gonna see if you're Christian. Have a whole group of people there just to like quiz them and prove that they're not or they are or whatever.

Cristina: Yes. Why hasn't the church done something like this? This is amazing.

Jack: It's great, right? Just make the Christian. The church wants a lie and say there's more Christians than there are. Oh, that's anybody.

Cristina: Then they have a problem with everyone.

Jack: I mean. Yeah, because the church doesn't give a s*** about the Bible or Jesus Christ. Okay, the church pretends it does, but the church is really just run by government and government is run by rich racists, which is why it's like, well, women have to f****** do this and do that. And like, we can't have gays either in the Bible and in church because, you know, we're straight white men. That's scary to us because we probably, probably suck d*** secretly and we don't want people to know. We're gonna judge us on d*** sucking. Like you're billionaire, dude. Nobody gives a f***.

Cristina: They're all child molesters.

Jack: So they are. That's where it gets f*****. Which is also approved by religion, specifically the Catholic Church.

Cristina: They're all. All of them. Yeah. All the religious, all the governmental. All of it.

Jack: They like to f*** all the children all the time. God, that's always a topic on this show.

Cristina: It's hard to ignore.

Jack: It is so hard. Anytime we discuss religion, we sudd the Catholics. Look the other way.

Cristina: Just them. It's so many organizations, but it's like people way heavily.

Jack: Yeah, way heavily. The Catholic Church.

Cristina: Yes. But it's everyone.

Jack: It's everyone. But not in vast majority everywhere. No, it's like heavily. Like if we grabbed all the people, molesting all the people, like a good 90% of them are just priests.

Cristina: That's how much hardcore, bro. That's.

Jack: No, that's hardcore. And they get away with it. That's a problem.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: How many of them never get caught?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Just f*** the people growing up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Just ruined hella lives. That's a monster though.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Functioning great in society. Sociopathic bullshit going on. D***. It's safe to assume that a lot of press, a lot of priests are a bit sociopathic. Right. Maybe they gotta disconnect. Unless it's an emotional urge. Oh no, I gotta f***, I gotta f*** em. It's like, bro, I don't know.

Cristina: I really want to know now.

Jack: That's what it's interesting, right? Like if we could test these people. Are they sociopaths? Is just a church run by sociopaths or do they have a problem? It's like a real problem.

Cristina: Like I gotta find out if anyone actually found that out. I'm sure they must have. Right? They must have questioned these guys.

Jack: I think because they're religious figures, we treat them differently then being curious and being like, bro, are you f****** these kids because you don't like care that they're gonna be ruined in the future? Or you have no self control despite knowing that they have a f***** future if you do this.

Cristina: I wonder how many choose the first answer.

Jack: It's nuts. They're just like, I don't give a f***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: F***, let the kids have crappy lives. I don't give s***. Oh my gosh, I need to get my willy wet. And then God's gonna. I just go pray later and I'm cool.

Cristina: What about those sisters? Why they gotta touch the kids? There are plenty sisters.

Jack: They rape them too.

Cristina: They do, yes.

Jack: Crazy known.

Cristina: I thought the sisters were just having like female parties on their own.

Jack: Well, like touching each other and whatnot. Yeah, I mean probably. But I know that a bunch of the nuns casually the priests, because they're also not getting laid.

Cristina: But they're not being raped. Or are they being raped.

Jack: Some of them are.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: There's a lot of things going on. Oh, it's like yay religion.

Cristina: Yeah. Sounds like those horror stories from being in jail or whatever prison. The cops raping the prisoners or whatever for the fun of it. Because they're prisoners. I don't know what the whole thing.

Jack: It'S Usually male cops raping female inmates.

Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty horrible.

Jack: That's just horn dogs who are like, I'll get away with it. And then they go pray. God is gonna forgive him. God's gonna forgive him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Jesus will forgive them because he forgives. That's a weird thing about the Old and New Testament. The Jesus thing, the God thing. Jehovah is two different guys.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They're vastly different people. The first dude is wrathful, destructive, jealous, angry, savage. Which tells us he's a demigod in the first place. Why do you have emotions, bro?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Like, whatever. Yeah, you can't just blink his problems away. Very angry and just can't blink it away. Nope. Yeah, totally logical, bro. That's. That's exactly what it is. You hate it all. You want to destroy it all, but you can't. Sweet.

Cristina: But he does. And then he brings it back. Or is someone else doing that?

Jack: The best he could do is flood it. He couldn't get rid of it.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Just made it rain. Apparently, he's a God of weather.

Cristina: Yes. Is that how he's done. Whoa.

Jack: He destroyed and he sent. I think he made fire fall from the sky too.

Cristina: Okay, yeah, he has done some things. Okay, yeah.

Jack: Gave Moses the power to split the oceans.

Cristina: Wait, so he can give people powers?

Jack: He gave him a stick with powers. Maybe that was just a tool that the gods use.

Cristina: He controls the weather. Is he the Earth because he gave him a stick and it's magical? Maybe he's just Earth.

Jack: Gaia.

Cristina: Yeah. What if he was Gaia all along?

Jack: That would make sense. Gaia is, like, a pretty ancient God. I think it actually predates Jehovah.

Cristina: Oh, okay. There you go. Jehovah is just Gaia in disguise. I guess.

Jack: I mean, considering that Christianity is just Greek mythology. Well, it's just Judaism, and Judaism is Greek mythology, and Greek mythology is a Norse mythology, and Norse mythology is Hinduism. It's possible the Hinduism just comes from. From the original understanding and labeling from natives of different cultures that talked about Gaia. That talked about Gaia.

Cristina: Mm. What is that? What does that do?

Jack: Tells me when I get a message.

Cristina: Is it from this conversation or that's from something else?

Jack: No, nobody here has sent us a message.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But, yeah, I don't know. I think it's real f***** up that people force the unknown on people as if it's totally known.

Cristina: Religion or science. It's all the same.

Jack: Science knows a lot, but it also doesn't have a finite answer for anything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It can't just be like for a.

Cristina: Fact, but they want you to believe it's believe.

Jack: I would say theology, out of the two has the least amount of way specific answers, but also it doesn't need specific answers because it's a subjective experience guidebook.

Cristina: Yeah. You're not supposed to be. The questions that you're trying to answer with the Bible doesn't make sense.

Jack: Yeah. It's about you internally.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: How you feel, how your emotions are. Your spirit just way abstract and personal versus objective, which is science.

Cristina: Mm. You can just divide the two.

Jack: Yeah. You have to think of that as two very different things that function together.

Cristina: And they would function together if you were thinking of it like that. Yeah.

Jack: Yes. Theology and religion do great together. Do great, great, great, great, great together.

Cristina: As long as they're not competing to answer the same questions. That doesn't even make sense.

Jack: That doesn't make sense.

Cristina: No.

Jack: It should just be things that you can create and base and understand from science and things that allow you to feel like a good person. Understand basic moral principles, family values. I'd suggest everybody become a Mormon. Yes. It's a stupid f****** religion that makes no sense. Also, their family values are better than every family value everywhere. You literally have to make time for your family. Go be a Mormon. Learn to love people.

Cristina: Those aren't the people that kick out their children if they don't want to continue that life or something.

Jack: You mean the Amish?

Cristina: Oh, okay. I don't know. They're very similar in my mind.

Jack: The Amish are the. Are you talking about Orthodox Jews as well?

Cristina: I don't. There's a couple of them.

Jack: There's a couple of these people out there.

Cristina: Mormons live. Do they live the same as the Amish, though?

Jack: No, they're just people.

Cristina: Okay. They don't live in farms. No.

Jack: They don't live in a house.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Like anybody else.

Cristina: And they use electricity and all that.

Jack: They're super normal.

Cristina: I don't.

Jack: You might know mad Mormons and not even know it.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It might just be surrounding you. They're just people.

Cristina: They're just people. Okay.

Jack: They're just Christians.

Cristina: All right. Amish. They're not.

Jack: No. Those aren't humans at all. Those are weird freaks of nature who are like.

Cristina: Those are people. But they're. It's not a religious thing. It's a life choice.

Jack: Both.

Cristina: It's both.

Jack: It's a life choice based on religion.

Cristina: What religion?

Jack: The. I believe it's Judaism.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Amish or Jews? If I'm not mistaken. They are the Orthodox Jews.

Cristina: Oh. Are you positive?

Jack: I think so. I'm pretty, like, heavily sure. I could be wrong. But then that means that these two groups are very similar.

Cristina: Oh, the Jews and the Amish.

Jack: The Orthodox Jews and the Amish.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But I think the Amish are the Orthodox Jews. I'm not entirely sure on how that breaks down, but that seems right.

Cristina: Let's become Amish. Let's live by them. We don't have to be living with them to be their neighbors. Or they can't have neighbors.

Jack: I will never be Amish.

Cristina: I don't want to be Amish. I just want to be a neighbor of Amish.

Jack: Go live next to Amish people then.

Cristina: That's crazy. No, I mean, yes, let's go.

Jack: You can go.

Cristina: I could go. Okay, I'll go.

Jack: I have no reason to go.

Cristina: I need my podcast people to come with me.

Jack: You can take the whole crew.

Cristina: Yes, I want the whole crew to come with me.

Jack: Everybody's going.

Cristina: Everyone.

Jack: They're just all living over there?

Cristina: Yes, all. All of us. There's a lot of people. I know, but we'll make it work. We'll get one house.

Jack: You mean basically start your own Amish community?

Cristina: I guess so. Yes. We're gonna start an Amish community.

Jack: Start an Amish community. But the reason they do this because of religion is because they believe that electricity is unnatural.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so anything using it is also unnatural. It's not something God put on earth for us.

Cristina: Are they sure that electricity isn't something God gave us?

Jack: It's definitely something God gave us.

Cristina: Because I feel like. Yeah, that's exactly where it's coming from. It is natural.

Jack: Yeah, but they think like technology and crap like that.

Cristina: Oh, okay. How we use it. Interesting. I don't know. Because then they're doing the same with the wood from trees. It's not. Not that. The same thing. I don't like. What's the difference?

Jack: I have no idea what you're trying to say.

Cristina: That they can destroy trees to build houses and stuff like that.

Jack: Right. So the house isn't natural.

Cristina: Yes, but that's the same thing with the electricity. The electricity is natural. What you do with it is unnatural.

Jack: Yes. So the tree is natural. What you do with it is unnatural.

Cristina: Exactly. So.

Jack: Except animals do what you do with the tree. I think that's where the base. What would an animal do?

Cristina: But we're not animals.

Jack: We totally are. Except that's science, right? Oh, not religion. Because man was made already as man, according to religion.

Cristina: Okay, wait, so then there are.

Jack: I don't know where the argument is. Yeah, I don't know where the argument comes from.

Cristina: Yes. Because in religion, we are just. We're humans. Animals are animals. That's what you're saying. Yes.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Then.

Jack: Well, in science, we can. We're all the same.

Cristina: We're all the same. Yes.

Jack: Theory of evolution. Because again, nobody's proven we came from s***. Yeah, it's a theory that we came from s***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: From true, literal poop. From s***. We came from s***.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Us? Everybody.

Cristina: Everyone.

Jack: There was a t*** at the beginning, a magical t***. And of that magical t*** stepped out the first bipedal who later became a human. And now we poop the Earth.

Cristina: We do poop, but everyone poops.

Jack: Isn't that like a child book?

Cristina: Everyone poops. I don't know.

Jack: It's a book for kids who are scared to poop because they're ashamed of pooping.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: I feel like that makes sense. Why would they be shamed of pooping?

Jack: And training A puppy, maybe?

Cristina: Yeah, they're training the child. But why would you need a story to tell you how to poop or something? I don't know. That's weird.

Jack: I mean, you always knew how to poop, but they're telling you. I guess that's potty training. It's like you're pooping in a different space other than on yourself. You used to poop in yourself.

Cristina: Some kids are afraid of toilets, I think.

Jack: And everybody poops in the toilet.

Cristina: Yeah. You gotta show them that it's not scary.

Jack: This is also where the programming comes in, right?

Cristina: What is it?

Jack: Religion and science. There's a follow the line mentality.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And that happens with pooping.

Cristina: Oh, my God.

Jack: Which is like, well, look, Timmy, everyone else uses the toilet. That's how you should use the toilet. What if Timmy wants to take a s*** outside? What if Timmy doesn't want to follow the conventional f****** rule? Society, Bill. What if Timmy's like, f*** the man?

Cristina: Well, he should at least understand where the man's coming from. But, like, before he decides.

Jack: But like, they're 100% like, no, everyone else does it, so you must do it. We do it, so you do it. And you're doing it just because we do it. You don't have to do it, but.

Cristina: You have to do it. All the education into a child is, though.

Jack: Yeah. Everybody else is doing this. You shut the f*** up. Don't think about it. Just do it. Yes, this is what it is.

Cristina: That's crazy. Okay. We're just. We're pretty much made like that.

Jack: Yeah. Anyways. Anyways. Science and religion are the same s***. Is the summary here. And you can not use either to prove that. We're not going to hurt you.

Cristina: We're not going to. We're not going to hurt you. What are you talking about?

Jack: To make them get listeners.

Cristina: Oh, okay. We never do that.

Jack: Fair enough. Fair enough. We might be all talk.

Cristina: Yeah, we're all talk.

Jack: All threats. All threats. Maybe I'm making promises and maybe nobody has broken their side of the deal. Do you want to be the first? Do you want to be the first?

Cristina: Okay, that sounds like a threat.

Jack: Fair. It went from a warning to a promise to a threat.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Let's go. I'm on a roll. Anyways, if you guys like these conversations where we bash religion and science because they're equally stupid. Also, the Earth is definitely round and flat. Actually, I found the answer to that. What was it? It's a tycohe. A tegohedron. It's a little bit flat and a little bit round. It's the answer that pleases everybody.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So if you guys are confused about which one it is, find the middle ground, which is what I always say. Maybe the Earth is neither flat nor round. Maybe it's a little bit flat in a round kind of way.

Cristina: It's an eyeball.

Jack: There's a galaxy. That's an eyeball.

Cristina: That's cool. That's pretty cool.

Jack: Actually. I think it's a nebula.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: I don't know. There's weird s*** out there. Yes, it's probably an eyeball. Dude, all jokes, design. Anyways, you can find all that s*** on. You find all of it. All our stuff, all our things at. Actually, before that, there's. There's a bunch of episodes like this, by the way, a crap ton.

Cristina: We have one comparing science and religion with magic or one or the other with magic. I'm not sure. I think science with magic.

Jack: Science with magic. Interesting.

Cristina: I'm not sure if religion was in that.

Jack: There's a couple of us just talking about how f****** pedophilic religion is. A couple of that. That's all over the place. You stroll by accident, you'll land in that topic. It comes up too often. And anyways, you can find that stuff on the official website greatthoughts.info or on Apple podcasts, Spotify and anywhere you get your podcast.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, instagram and TikTok. Usconvopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe because why the f*** not leave us a just hit? Subscribe people, and you'll enjoy the show. And you can also rate it. That's great. Leave ratings. That helps people, and specifically us, and leave a review telling us, you guys are so cool. You guys are so awesome. You guys are the coolest.

Cristina: And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes, Word of mouth, totally awesome. Very important. It's. It's very important that you just share your kindness with everybody and tell them, look, today we're gonna learn about the comparison of religion and science and I guess theology and science. I keep mixing them up. Changeable to some degree. The problem is that science is also religion. So if I say religion, I mean theology and science.

Cristina: Okay, Religion and religion.

Jack: Yeah, religion and religion. Religion, religion. You can about learn about religion, religion. And if you want to learn about religion, religion, you're here, man. Listen to the show. You can totally do that.

Cristina: And this has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening, but maybe they just want to stand out.

Jack: Although it's about respect. I remember on the NPR show that they mentioned. What the f*** was it called? It's an NPR show, kind of like Radiolab but for court stuff. And they mentioned that the reason that they were wearing the robes in the first place was to seem like real authority based people and really stand out. And it was all dark and serious looking.

Cristina: So people before they were actually taken seriously.

Jack: Yes, that's part of the reason they started being taken seriously. But like now we know you're the judge, we don't need you to wear that.

Cristina: But if they're not dressing that and then someone just comes in a suit and then sits on that chair, you don't know if that's the judge or.

Jack: Not or if that's just some. Every officer in that court knows who that is.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Elin Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.