Rambling 267: The Master Necromancer
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Who is the Master Necromancer? Where does he teach? Who has he taught? The duo investigate the case of the Master Necromancer who must have predated the events of Christ. The investigation leads our duo to stunning new revelations about old names and important information about new ones.
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Locating the Master Necromancer Intersection of the Persian Deserts and the Latin Language The Hellenistic Period The Wars of the Diadachi Exclusive Higher Education Private Studies and Teachers
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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.
Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.
Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And last week, you asked one very important question. I'm not even, like, building an intro here. I'm just straight jumping into the question you asked. And then. Because this is weird, bro. So last week, while we were going through essentially, St. Patrick and realizing that necromancers are a little overpowered, you asked a single question that really became a pressing idea because, like, yeah, really, really. We know that there are at least three necromancers, which means we have mentions of this thing somehow even more elusive than the Elysians.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And one thing we found out, kind of looking around was that in order to become a necromancer, there are rules for somebody to teach you, therefore, there must be a teacher. There must be. There's a guy handing out necromancer.
Cristina: So you weren't sure about that, but you are sure about it, or you're still not sure about it?
Jack: Well, that's what we're trying to find out.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: We're trying to find out what I'm sure about.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: I have information I'm sure of, that much.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And we're gonna unpack because it's a weird road and we. We maybe don't even have the time.
Cristina: It's that weird.
Jack: I mean, look, there's a lot of discussing to happen, so first we gotta go and try to hunt down mentions of necromancy, because necromancy seems to pop up weirdly apart. We're talking that, like, King Arthur and Merlin are happening so far in the future from when we think St. Nick and so. And St. Nick is happening, I guess, roughly, weirdly enough, around the same time as St. Patrick, which are happening way sooner. Year. Hundreds of years ahead of Merlin. But we think Jesus might have also been.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Which, weirdly enough, he's hundreds of years before. So we. We know it's weird. It's like, there must be an original teacher. So we have to go as far back as possible. And when we get to Jesus, we're like, what's the other necromancer bro before him? Yeah, what's the necromancer before him? We have no instance. It begins at Jesus, as far as we know. Right. Oh, we have no individual that fits the characteristics and that we've by default Ended up defining as a necromancer. So now we have to try to find mentions of necromancy that are not.
Cristina: The people that we know.
Jack: That are not the people that we know. Maybe mentions casually that don't point at a necromancer necessarily, but rather just discuss necromancy. I'm like, where in history has this.
Cristina: Word come up necromancy though, what exactly is it?
Jack: As defined in common knowledge, abilities are included.
Cristina: Like a priest isn't a necromancer?
Jack: No. So okay, a necromancer according to common knowledge, like information that people have on average is an individual that connects with the dead. Individual that connects with the dead. They have the ability to raise the dead.
Cristina: They have not a medium they bring people to.
Jack: They can come. Yeah, they can communicate with the dead as well. They have medium like abilities as well. Okay, so they're all of these things. They're like the most overpowered version of that. Now digging deeper, what we've come to conclude is that a necromancer is an individual that can somehow traverse all three planes and has abilities relative to the science of every plane as necessary to simply learn the teachings of this. So you must have been, weirdly enough curious ahead of time and dove in into one. Have access to somehow getting information on all three of these, which doesn't make.
Cristina: Sense that they're human.
Jack: Like how it's the only requirement, right? It seems to be only humans can do it.
Cristina: Yes, but how, how is it possible they got any of this knowledge?
Jack: Well, that's the case, right? That would make you the exceptional human. That would make you the exceptional human because outside of humans they, this knowledge is common. You would be among the exceptional humans to have this knowledge of these godlike individuals.
Cristina: What? But like one of these things had to have. But then I guess that's the teacher thing. No, it's before a teacher is involved that this person would have this knowledge.
Jack: Before? Yeah, before the teacher is involved. You must already have been so curious that you somehow you, you must have had the curiosity that then led you to dig up information and led you to actually be so good at that the end. You'd need to be open minded on top of everything in order to break the barriers of the illusions built around you. So you need all those features in order to just qualify to be a student. On top of knowing Latin and other and knowing like all these super complicated to know ridiculous. Okay, problematic.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Like how the knowing Latin thing zeros us in an area. Obviously the teacher must know that language that's obvious the point, right? The teacher knows a language, and so you must know the teacher's language in order for him to teach you. Simple. Okay, Basic. We're back in the same area. We always hang out now. Simple. We. We immediately. We ld it. We're like, oh, it seems that he must be in Japan because of this. No, not this.
Cristina: Right now.
Jack: And we use the trick he uses, like, okay, we're just gonna put it in random places, and he's gonna reply to 1. And when he replies, he must be there by default.
Cristina: Yes. Oh, duh.
Jack: That here. The reply here is, what? Where. Where are you from? What tells us where you're from? Well, your language tells us where you're from.
Cristina: Interesting.
Jack: We just zeroed in on him instantaneously. Oh, research.
Cristina: Oh, yeah. That was very Death Note. Like, okay. Yes.
Jack: It wasn't even Death Note. Like, it was super. Yes. But, like, now I realize how simple that trick was in Death Note. It was very. It was clever. It was done in an epic fashion.
Cristina: Yes, but it wasn't that.
Jack: But it wasn't deep. It wasn't deep. They delivered it well, which isn't in reality, I suppose. Delivery matters more than the content, Right? That's the reality of the matter. You can talk. Somebody absolute dog. If it's delivered well. That's. I guess that's the argument in video games, right? If the. The game could look like the game could do it. Fallout 3 is a broken mess. And nobody's like, this game is bad. If you could sell dog. If the delivery is. Well, it's. It's truth. The what? Is it the goat game or the goose game? Both of those broken messes. They're popular because they're broken, I guess.
Cristina: But the goose game's not broken.
Jack: I think the goose game's broken. The goat game broke. But that's famous because of that. Oh, it's a broken f****** mess. But it's not famous because it's a broken mess, but rather because delivery is on point. It's fun. It's delivering on the thing that matters. Meanwhile, these epic bombasts, the games that suck. You didn't stick the delivery, bro.
Cristina: No.
Jack: Which was the fun part. Whoa. Graphics. Where's the game, though, anyways? Back to thousands of years ago. We know Latino man in Japan. Oh, yeah. Because we were l for a second, too. Oh, wow. That took a couple of weird turns.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Anyways, so we're in our general region. Latin. We're talking Southern Europe, you know, Southeast Europe. We're talking the Middle East. Ish. We got an area.
Cristina: All right, we got an area.
Jack: We got an area. Now all the texts in that area, all the mentions of necromancy possible, all of the. Anything that you can possibly come across, and we go back so far that we end up predating. Jesus, that's good. That's good. We're predating.
Cristina: What? Latin? Is that old? Yeah, language.
Jack: I mean, I suppose. Okay, this takes us into the hellenistic period, specifically July 21, 356 BC.
Cristina: Okay, what's the Hellenistic period?
Jack: A period. Okay, That's a. The Hellenistic period is the name of a period in Greece that was in 4th century BC or some.
Cristina: Okay, what's happening?
Jack: So Pella, Macedonia, Pelamecon.
Cristina: What is that a name?
Jack: I guess so.
Cristina: A place.
Jack: I don't know how to pronounce a lot of this stuff. I'm gonna say that ahead of time. This is gonna. Language is gonna break down through a lot of this. Okay, I know.
Cristina: At least say if this is a person or a place.
Jack: This is a place.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And in this place, Alexander the Great is born.
Cristina: Okay, that makes sense. All right.
Jack: Simple things to note about Alexander the Great that are notable things about Alexander the Great. He was a student of Aristotle until he was age 16. He became the king of Greece in 336 BC at age 20, in 335 BC, he began a 10 year military campaign and he conquered West Asia, Central Asia, parts of South Asia. He conquered Egypt.
Cristina: He's a busy dude.
Jack: Busy dude. And he conquered. This means in saying he conquered that much of Asia that he also by default conquered Persia. Now we're touching both places. We need to be in contact for Latin, which we know is a requirement. And the connection to the Aletians, that seems to be important somehow.
Cristina: Are you saying he's related somehow?
Jack: Who's related?
Cristina: Alexander the Great. Is he part of the story?
Jack: Well, he's part of the information I've given you.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: He's. He's definitely part of the info I've provided.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: You know as much as I know. I'm re. I'm discovering this information as I'm going through it.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: I've never read any of this before, but he conquered Persia. Now we're touching Latin speaking people. Oof. And we're touching the ground that we know the Elysians are on. That's beautiful. That was quick. Ooh. Ooh. I l'd my way straight there.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: I'm so good. Kira doesn't stand a chance. I'm gonna have him.
Cristina: I Have Kira in this story.
Jack: The Necromancer. Oh, okay, yeah, oh, I got that, yeah. The necromancer. Whoever. The necromancer. Teacher.
Cristina: Teacher, yes, specifically, yes.
Jack: Okay, yeah, like the master necromancer. I guess that's who we're looking for. The master necromancer. Okay, so that's our Kira in this instance. But we got pretty close already now. 323 BC. You're not even ready for what's about to happen.
Cristina: Are you sure? Okay, I'm not ready. What is it?
Jack: Nothing important. He f****** dies. Oh, the end credits roll. Oh, yeah. So I was like, immediately, oh, this guy matters. He, he was topped by Aristotle. This guy started life easy. And this guy then became the king. And he conquered everything. He conquered everything immediately. What the h***?
Cristina: Ten years romancy powers.
Jack: I don't know. But he conquered places that he probably shouldn't be able to conquer. That's kind of weird. How the h*** did you do that? There are forces beyond understanding. Unless they didn't give a f***. There's no way they like f****** take the commoners. Whatever. You can't f*** with us. But it's like those are still your people, kind of, right? Even if they're like the bottom feeders, like, whatever. Those are still your bottom feeders. I think that's still the ideology that functions in people's minds ultimately. Like, f***. Those guys are not Persian. We f*** the lower Persians. He's not allowed to f*** the lower Persians, you know, that's the idea. So like, this guy is coming. No, we're gonna stop him from f****** the people we like to drop bombs on. Essentially. We're gonna wage war on the people trying to wage war on the people we wage war on, bruh.
Cristina: Wait, who is those people?
Jack: It would be the Elish. In this case, the Alicians. Would instantaneous, like zap, fry these guys out of existence, right?
Cristina: No, because they're trying to hide so they can't interfere.
Jack: This is 323 BC. Mm, well, until 323 BC, where when he dies, this is happening. So the Elysians haven't gone into hiding. Jesus. Hasn't happened yet.
Cristina: But they're there in Persia.
Jack: They're in Persia.
Cristina: They're underwater. They're hiding.
Jack: I don't think they're hiding. I think they're hiding their home. We know they've been around. They would just deal with it. They'll just deal with it. It wouldn't be a problem. So how the f*** did this guy do it? Unless he was A problem? But how? He just f****** died, dude.
Cristina: No one killed him off. How did he die?
Jack: Just casual. There's theories about it, but it wasn't anything like. It was this little assassinator. He f****** died of old age. Or he ate something that poisoned him. Or he got sick and f****** died of a. Just casual.
Cristina: No one knows.
Jack: Nothing. Epic. It wasn't like a f******. Not even a rumor, a crazy battle took place or. No, just.
Cristina: Why would they do that? If they wanted him dead, wouldn't they just get someone to kill him or poison him?
Jack: But it's like so anticlimactic and like you could just kill a necromancer like that. That's.
Cristina: That probably is. He's still human at the end of the day.
Jack: No, because we're talking about people who can somehow. Even if all the other things you could do and you can't like make it so poison doesn't work. Come on, bro, that's. That's where the knowledge breaks down.
Cristina: Yeah, maybe he was. No maybe.
Jack: No way. You're not catching him off guard. No, nothing. These guys control time.
Cristina: Yeah, he wasn't a necromancer.
Jack: No, it doesn't work, cuz you gotta.
Cristina: Die anyway to become one.
Jack: Yeah, presumably all the other mentions. We don't know of Merlin dying, but we know of Arthur getting weird abilities and having to. That by the way, was Arthur to some degree, like potentially meant to be a necromancer? He could have, potentially. Except the factor was he dies, he dies. He was the only one who didn't come back. The golem was different. The golem couldn't die. You could just dismantle him and turn him off.
Cristina: Wait, you think Arthur too?
Jack: Arthur might have had all the properties required, minus the fact that he was designed as a blank slate to be manipulated intentionally.
Cristina: I don't know. That's tricky.
Jack: So I don't know. But I know Merlin was. But maybe it's impossible. Maybe Merlin doesn't know how to teach it. He tried his best, you know, who the h*** knows? I don't know. I'm just spitballing, I guess.
Cristina: But Merlin. But Merlin's dead.
Jack: Merlin's dead.
Cristina: But dead.
Jack: Dead, dead, dead. He was killed by a special weapon sent by the fairy though.
Cristina: So it's possible that Alexander could have died from a special weapon, but a.
Jack: Fairy had to come and. But I don't think he was Alexander the Great. Doesn't fit.
Cristina: No, I think he was on his way and then got killed off because of that.
Jack: Maybe he could have been on his way he could have been on his way. So now we need to evaluate Alexander the Great because something must connect in some direction to him, right? There must be signs. So I keep following his story a little, just, you know, casual, and I come across the War of the Diode, the War of the Diodochi.
Cristina: Is that a place or people?
Jack: People. So to clarify, the Diadochi are rival generals, families and friends of Alexander the Great who fought for control over his empire after his death.
Cristina: Really?
Jack: And this led to. To the breakdown of all of his conquered territory of his empire into. Into smaller little faction empires of their own. He was the only man capable of sustaining the whole thing. He died and smaller empires formed. Okay, now, out of this entire group of people, there are many people, there's a bunch of notable ones. And out of the notable ones, they're notable simply because of their relationship to him. Notable in his story, essentially.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But there's two people who stand out in particular because he had some really close friends. And some of his close friends were among the people who fought to take over what was left after he died.
Cristina: Okay? It's not just his family. He said it was his family.
Jack: It's not just his family. It's family, friends, rivals. It's all of the above. Everybody who could possibly get involved.
Cristina: And his friends are names that we would find familiar.
Jack: We wouldn't find the names familiar. They are just. They're notable to his story. They're just like. If you were like, this is the supporting character that matters because he shows up all the time. Okay, those are who these people are. So there's some who are rivals, there's some who are family and some who are friends who are really just consistently showing up in this guy's story, in his life. And out of those individuals, there are two individuals who stand out in particular, not because of who they are, but because of what they highlight. Now, he had five friends. Two of the friends were isolating from his group of friends are called Ptolemy and Cassander. And the reason that these two friends stand out is because of the giant finger they point. Keep in mind.
Cristina: What do you mean?
Jack: Well, keep in mind the information is often in the scenario, in the cases that we work in, the information that we dig, it's easier to find somebody pointing at the information than finding the information itself. Somebody talking loosely about the thing than actually finding the source directly because of how secretive a lot of this s*** is. In this case, the answer was in front of our face. Both of these individuals also took classes with Aristotle. Aristotle Suddenly became important. This philosopher, we know about, this very famous philosopher, he taught both of them. He taught apparently a lot of people. Okay, so I follow Aristotle. That was, hey, I'm looking, I'm pulling at strings at this point. Like the whole idea broke down. I saw the guy conquering everything, including these people, and then he just casually passes away. It's like, no, it wasn't him. So now I'm left pulling its rings. But it was the right direction because we still touched both places that mattered. So I don't have to go anywhere. I just have to look at the crap that mattered. In this era, we still got the mention we're looking for. So Aristotle, known as one of history's greatest philosophers with contributions in theoretical, natural and practical philosophies, considered one of the most influential individuals to have ever lived. As a result of his contributions, things we know, everybody knows Aristotle as name for all of infinity. And all his recorded knowledge has been divided into two categories.
Cristina: Like what? What are they?
Jack: The two categories are exoteric and esoteric. Oh, allow me to clarify what these two things are.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Exoteric knowledge is knowledge meant to be easy for the public to understand and intended for the public to use. This is general use. Information requires no special previous knowledge to grasp any of this information. It's tools of thought and applications that ways to think about life and approach and moving through life kind of in a scientific way.
Cristina: Okay, simple.
Jack: Then we have esoteric. In modern day culture, esoteric has evolved into meaning secret knowledge. In their exact definition, as they were describing what esoteric meant, knowledge that requires prior information to comprehend. Often time requiring complex education to grasp. Simple. All the information that we put in that category, is that. Okay, interesting. So it just sounds like higher education.
Cristina: Yes, yes, that's right, higher education.
Jack: So this specific knowledge though was meant to be taught and used at Lycium.
Cristina: What's that as a place?
Jack: Lycium is a place. Lycium is a school, a special school in Athens, Greece focused on perennialism. Athens, Greece is a Latin speaking place at the time. So we're still where we need to be. So a school meant to have higher knowledge that to this at this day we call secret knowledge. But back then they were calling that very knowledge, we're calling secret knowledge that very knowledge. They were just calling higher education.
Cristina: Okay, simple.
Jack: But that secret knowledge, we're calling it secret knowledge. That's our meaning for the word esoteric. But that knowledge that we're labeling esoteric, what they labeled back then was essentially the definition. I Gave you higher education. It sounds like to us, their definition just sounds like higher education.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Okay, now, what is perennialism? This school that focuses on perennialism, Supernialism is the philosophy and science that suggests all religions, ideas, philosophies, and more are all discussing the same thing.
Cristina: Really? What?
Jack: One of the most important lessons of perennialism is that all planes of existence overlap and coexist in a traversable fashion, although not always physical. We sometimes say spirit, we sometimes say this, we sometimes say that. But the idea is that we kind of know it's all somehow connected.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: This is trying to explain in a functional fashion how it is. What do you mean, bro?
Cristina: Is this the school we're looking for?
Jack: Oh, we're getting close to something, essentially. It kind of roughly sounds like you'd find what we're looking for here.
Cristina: Yes, definitely does sound something like that.
Jack: Like we're in the right track, right? That's great. Fantastic. Okay, so thanks to these two random guys, we find the Aristotle is actually who we're looking for. Aristotle happens to have knowledge that he's taken to the school, but his knowledge doesn't seem particularly impressive. He just sounds like he's teaching casual things because he explained the knowledge he's taking in, his contributions. None of it was like, wow, you've got powers. We're going somewhere where the smart people would be, the people who are the elites would hang out. So let's dig deeper into Aristotle. Right? Let's dig deeper into, in fact, where Aristotle's hanging out outside of the school. No, who's around Aristotle? Who is. What is this school? Okay, so we focus then on Lyceum, and prior to Aristotle, teaching at the school, there were several notable individuals to come through and establish themselves. Individuals like Protagoras, Plato, and Socrates all came through this same school, studied and taught at different times.
Cristina: Okay, Are they all important? Maybe. Maybe not.
Jack: Not a clue.
Cristina: Is the school important?
Jack: You know what I know? Everything you have is what I have.
Cristina: Learning about the Elysians in school, I.
Jack: Don'T know what they're learning. Right. This is crazy, because we got a couple of complicated minds hanging out all in the same place. Some of the most advanced minds, and we're talking to everybody we've mentioned, doesn't seem to stand out in any great fashion other than they were significant people, but they were significant for commoners. We still don't know any of these individuals that have done anything particularly impressive. So so far, we don't. We don't even have, like, potential individuals, but we might Be where we need to be.
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I got nowhere else. We came to the school. Nobody. I looked at these guys. Nobody was impressive. Nothing mattered. Nothing stuck out. And really with Aristotle, other than him being the connection to the school that we followed, nothing stands out.
Cristina: No way. Really.
Jack: None of these individuals in any particular fashion. But we can just keep following this, right? So the school was originally started. Now, this is where just following the school because the people didn't matter. So now it's crazy.
Cristina: The people didn't matter.
Jack: But okay, colossal names. How the h*** did not one of them stand out in some fashion? Okay, but names immediately started standing out. The school was originally started by what seems to be referred to consistently as an elite Greek named Apollo. Apollo Lysias, which is described in many texts as a Greek God. We're familiar with this guy. Okay, we're quite familiar with this guy.
Cristina: Familiar with this guy.
Jack: Now, Apollo, according to a lot of mythology, is a Greek God. Mythology says he's a Greek God, but our data says he's some dude who did some science y things with a bunch of other high society nerds. He's a high society nerd. I guess, kind of. That's what we're talking about. A lot of time. A bunch of high society nerds.
Cristina: They weren't disturbing, though.
Jack: They were doing. A lot of these guys were just Tucker from freaking Full Metal Alchemist.
Cristina: Yes. Yes, they were. They're doing some horrible, horrible things. But okay.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cristina: He was part of that group.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And Paula was one of them. He was part of those guys. We know that they had Naga trying to make Naga. We know they had weird. They were willing to do odd experiments on themselves and. I don't give a. These guys were crazy, bro. And so they turned out to be way more op than we thought. As you know, we ignored them for super long, diverted into other. We thought they were.
Cristina: They made Nagas.
Jack: Yeah. Until we're like, holy. Wait, we gotta focus on the morphine.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: You guys got a couple of things going on that we didn't catch at first. We just thought again, whack people. Because they're not directly trading. I mean, they're literally only trading. But they're not directly friends in the group that we seem to frequent while digging through this data. Deletions. The Mayans, the Egyptians, they. Whoever else they associate with the Greek only seem to be associated through trade.
Cristina: Yes. As far as we can tell. Yeah.
Jack: Yeah. And for. Because of that we thought they were maybe just commoners that these people were trading with. And although the Greek can't seem to track down the Elysians, I don't know that they're trying to. Alternatively, I know that they have tools where they're trying to find things. We showed some of their things where they literally have the ability to track things. But a lot of this was also provided by Jesus, which happened later anyway. So I don't. It's a lot of weird time things happening.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But Apollo, one of the Greek. Now, weird that the school is attributed to being started by a Greek God.
Cristina: Yeah, that's very weird. Okay.
Jack: Pointing that part out just like, okay.
Cristina: That'S the story behind the school.
Jack: That's the story behind it. We all just agree with that one.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: No arguments here. We're just like, yep, but cool. Okay, sure, guys. Lycium is known to have had the first zoo ever.
Cristina: That's weird too. But okay.
Jack: The first botanical garden ever, the two first versions of that ever recorded in history happened to be Elysium. That s*** was just popping with mega science. That was the f****** place it was popping, bro.
Cristina: Kind of crazy, huh?
Jack: Right there in Greece.
Cristina: Bro was when he made the school, it was for normal people or were like the people that were gonna become the gods went to this school that seems.
Jack: The school seems to have started way after the people who are considered the gods.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: It was way later.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: So I don't think that those individuals are necessarily associated with the school, others in the school having been. Because one of them is one of the people known as God.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Apollo, the guy who started it, is considered one of the Greek gods. So they must have come first.
Cristina: Yeah. Okay.
Jack: Now, the research performed at the school. So like, all of their information, all their studies dove into facets that would later evolve into biology, chemistry, Earth science, natural science, astronomy, physics and more. So let's establish a couple of things here. And this points at something quite interesting about the Greek that is very identical to the Mayans, as far as we know so far. But I got theories on that for days. And the Egyptians in particular, which is they're all human. They all come from humans to some degree. These are individuals who use other means to reach their levels. Some of them traded, literally, and got tech from these people and came up. The Greeks seem to have kind of gone up themselves, or if they did get help, I don't know. But they're kind of up there too.
Cristina: The gods. Yeah, they're human.
Jack: They seem to all be.
Cristina: Once Upon a time.
Jack: Once upon a time. Human. Unlike the Elysians, that that story seems to come from a different branch entirely. And the mayans that I 100% have theories on what the h*** is going on with that. I believe they like, I don't know why everything else takes place in the same place and they don't. And we'll look into that. A different time.
Cristina: Okay, but you're saying the leash, not the elations. The Mayans, the Egyptians and the Greeks, the gods that we call gods, they came from humans. They're human.
Jack: These are people who either through technology, through some of these means outside of Earth realm, then they become through. Yeah. Or through adrenochrome or similar things, they leave what we understand humanity to be and enter a sometimes literal physical transformation. Sometimes just technologically at such a scale that there's such advantage.
Cristina: What makes I guess necromancers different? Why weren't they seen as gods?
Jack: Because people didn't know about these individuals. I've not once said anybody has even mentioned necromancy yet. No, but it's not mentioned that they don't have necromancy to talk about. That's why these people.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: These people can't be considered something that doesn't seem to be anywhere.
Cristina: Okay. Is necromancy so secretive or something?
Jack: It seems to be more secretive than the Elysians and the Elysians are hard enough to come across.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: We. But we know of many Elysians now after many years of looking.
Cristina: We know many gods.
Jack: Yeah. And we only know three potential question mark necromancers.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So like they seem to be numerically way. Like we have so many Egyptian quote gods, research team members that we only mentioned some of them because they were the notable ones.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: There were many others that we just skimmed through. That same thing happened with the minds. There were just a bunch of random dudes that we just casually jumped through and same thing with Creek, a bunch of random dudes. Apollo is actually one of them that we just kind of just ran through because they didn't do anything of note at those moments.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Meanwhile, every Elysian we talked about, we needed to focus on because they all seemed important to some degree because they're only like six or seven total we f****** managed to name. That's super secretive. But also that totally aligns because think about most of those teams are built of outsiders.
Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.
Jack: Most of the Elysian team, except for.
Cristina: The main one, I guess the one then their home base or whatever.
Jack: Yeah. We had Jehovah. We had asriel and as just two or three individuals. And then everybody else was an outsider.
Cristina: Oh, yeah.
Jack: And it's like, okay, we don't have a lot of names here. But then we dive deeper, and when we get. We got three named fairies. Four if we include the lady of the Lake, and five if we include Brahma. That is also. So we got all two, three Indian mythology. Four Indian mythology, individuals. And one like a Germanic, not even Arthurian, one. Arthurian mythology. So we have five fairy. Which fairies. Which is maybe two or three lessons. And then even less than that. We got three potential. Everything else we mentioned is confirmed. Yeah, we got three potential. We don't know that they are factually any of this.
Cristina: That's true. Okay.
Jack: That's how elusive this is. They have to be keeping score. They're way more hidden than ever before.
Cristina: There might be three or four, depending on Arthur. Yes. No. No, not Arthur.
Jack: No. Merlin is an agromancer of a fact. It'd be Merlin, it'd be Patrick, and it'd be Nicholas.
Cristina: Jesus.
Jack: Oh, s***. Four. Oh, s***.
Cristina: I'm saying four.
Jack: And. Yeah. So four for a fact. And the teacher that we know, the question mark that we're after. So after we decide if we can track them down, we either have four, which makes them more elusive, or we're tying or starting to tie. Like we're catching up to fairies.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Yeah, I guess it is possible to keep score. Weirdly enough.
Cristina: Still no more fairies because we know the Fairy queen herself and her.
Jack: Oh. And all Rose and all of the Nagas, even if their AI are technically, literally extensions about.
Cristina: There so many of them.
Jack: There's so many. No, you're totally right. Holy.
Cristina: So.
Jack: And we know the elves, even if we don't have them, by names. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm actually sure. That's probably easy to find. I'm just sure they don't do anything significant other than be cool. And they're cool if you're like a geek, essentially.
Cristina: We should find them. No, but I bet something cool.
Jack: I bet there's at least cool stories, even if it's not impactful. Probably done some dope s*** eventually. We'll see. Just when we hit walls, that's usually where I go. And then we find weird things that I wasn't even looking for. But anyways. Yeah, so basically, the. The things that happened at that school. By the way, that school was led by Aristotle for a while. The library there. Yeah, the library there is called the Library of Aristotle.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So. Yeah. And Mo pretty much all of these signs were advanced by him, and they would all end up becoming all of these different sciences. All these philosophies weren't fantastic.
Cristina: Sounds like school.
Jack: It sounds like school.
Cristina: God made the school.
Jack: Yeah. Other than that weird. And the God didn't do anything impressive. We could just say that that's a weird translation or it was written metaphorically and that the God inspired the school, but they wanted to personify it in a more literal way. Easy to solve that problem. But now we have Aristotle and his library, which means they have a lot of work to go through.
Cristina: With his library.
Jack: With his library. And in one of Aristotle's earliest records, you can find the small notes scribbled on the papaya sheets that he used. And it depicts a conversation he had with his mentor, who's named only in the Greek symbols that look like an A and then an A without the middle part.
Cristina: That's supposed to be something. What's the description again? An A and an A.
Jack: It's an A, a normal A, and then what looks like an upside down V. That's it. Just an A and an upside down V, which is essentially an A minus the little middle part. So I'm like, okay, great. Okay, I run that. And that does translate to ap.
Cristina: What does that.
Jack: Well, jumping Apollo, Lysius back, you get those same initial two letters, which would then translate to ap. So he was talking about conversations he was literally having with Apollo Eliseus, thus debunking the idea that he was talking metaphorically or that he was speaking about being inspired by this God to do the school. He's talking about having conversations with his mentor. Yes. And his mentor is literally, outside of his personal notes, never mentioned by anybody, at least in any popular famous record that exists from any known Greek source related to Greek mythology or Greek history. I looked through as much as I possibly could. There is no mention of Apollo in any instance that makes him look like anything but the mythological individual. Minus. When Aristotle writes about him in which he's talking about him as a real person.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.
Jack: Which means Aristotle saw him not as this transcendent individual, but as a sort of equal. That's all we really have to extrapolate from this. He wasn't seeing him as somebody far above. He was like, this is the guy who taught me. This is the guy I look up to.
Cristina: And what did he teach him? Did he teach him anything unique, the.
Jack: Things that he was teaching?
Cristina: Oh, okay. Just normal school stuff.
Jack: Yeah. He was teaching and advancing what he was taught.
Cristina: That is so weird.
Jack: So weird.
Cristina: He was just a teacher.
Jack: He was just. Apollo was a teacher who learned by working with the Greek gods, but taught apparently a guy named Aristotle. And Aristotle then shared his knowledge he got from this high society individual.
Cristina: A weird story. Yeah, such a weird story. I don't understand.
Jack: And Aristotle was considered the high society individual within his circles. So it made sense that people would come to him to grasp the knowledge that he got from the people who are high society in his circles. So he's high society amongst and then in a different circle, he's the bottom and he can see the high society people. And he got from one and took it to the other. Simple.
Cristina: That's cool.
Jack: But then why is Apollo out here just sharing the wealth? Don't this guy feel pretentious? But I guess these do. These individuals do fit the idea we were discussing before.
Cristina: They're all scientists.
Jack: They're not that they're just all sciences, but they're human. Oh, so they have that compassion. And you're always willing to stand up for your people, even if they're the inferior. So it's like, yeah, we're high society, but you know, even if they're way behind, we'll give them something once in a while. And this guy was one of the individuals probably more generous among them. Apollo.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Who decided, yeah, we know a lot. We can share some of the wealth. A kind of Lucifer esque individual. Let's share some. Okay, Apollo and Lucifer. Let's share some. Weirdly enough, Apollo and Lucifer I believe get conflated. I think they're constantly referred to as.
Cristina: A future thing that we talk about. More about Apollo. Let's learn about him.
Jack: Well, he's a weird one, right? Nice individual.
Cristina: Okay. Oh, Apollo. He's the apple. I thought the AV thing was going to lead to an apple for some reason, but. No, but that would have been.
Jack: Yeah, no, no, it related to an. Oh yeah, for sure. There were some individuals even within these other groups willing to share the knowledge. Now. Cool. We, we ground this guy and he's a high society individual. More evidence that he's not a God. Other than the mention specifically we had prior to that and this mention of him, but never have we gotten him mentioned as a mentor and personified simultaneously. This is a first anyways. Additional. Within the same series of notes we could find mentions of a man that apologies had unclear issues with but felt strongly negatively towards as described by Aristotle. In these conversations, AP was having disagreements with an individual whose initials were only J, E.
Cristina: Any idea?
Jack: J E, J E. Yeah. So I tried a lot of things, and running a search for all names written in Latin that fit these initials, we find that it's surprisingly rare, which kind of makes it pretty easy to track down because there isn't a lot.
Cristina: Okay, is it a familiar name?
Jack: No, because I don't read Latin, and in this case, it's Be. Latin and Greek are kind of really closely tied. So this is essentially what we're looking at.
Cristina: I'm not sure what I'm looking at.
Jack: This is the name that I landed at after I ran this search that required these two initials. I'll explain why in a backwards fashion. Hold it. It's yours.
Cristina: This random gibberish name?
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: It looks insane.
Jack: So for the sakes of what we're discussing, all of this is going to be discussed in the Greek context that I've just given to you. Now, again, few individuals share these initials, and one name sticks out, which is.
Cristina: That name, but it's J. E. Something like that.
Jack: Yeah. So I run that through a translator, and I get Jehovah God.
Cristina: No, you don't.
Jack: I do. I get Jehovah God. Now, that means they're also referring to just the Elysian Jehovah, but as the way they would refer to the Greek gods, those people way above us.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So it just comes out as Jehovah God. He still sees Jehovah as above Apollo.
Cristina: Yeah, he's calling him God.
Jack: He's calling him God as opposed to Apollo. Except I know looking at that, you could tell kind of Eloi is being translated into Jehovah, because Eloi seems to be used as Yahweh, and this kind of looks like Eloi. You see the E. You see the weird random character we're not sure of. Then you literally see Oy. I'm like, okay, I see that happening here. So this is being translated into Jehovah because I know that Yahweh, the father of Jehovah, Eloi, and which is the grandfather, and Jehovah, which is the son of Yahweh, get consistently conflated one with the other. You know, they're always.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Interchangeable.
Cristina: So you think this is not the right.
Jack: No, I think this is translating. This is what we're getting Jehovah for. So then what's the first part of this? It doesn't look like Jehovah or Eloi. This is something else. Right. So this one is being translated the God, I thought. So I decided to run them individually instead of as a name.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: The first part, rather, the second Part is in fact Loi. Literally, it is Eloi.
Cristina: So you thought.
Jack: Yeah, no, that's accurate. The first part is Jehovah.
Cristina: Jehovah Eloi.
Jack: Think about that really hard, real quick. Think about it really hard, really quick. It makes way more sense than you might think. And we did not put it together. And it's gonna. It by default answers an entirely different question that we couldn't put together because we are apparently f****** stupid.
Cristina: What is that?
Jack: You want the answer? You want to try? You want a moment? It's important. It's really important.
Cristina: Is it obvious?
Jack: It's so obvious. But I couldn't see it either. The problem is it's so obvious it's invisible. It's that problem.
Cristina: It's so obvious.
Jack: Even the f****** listeners, once I explain it, are going to be like, holy s***, how did none of us see? Makes so much sense. Say it out loud. Just say once.
Cristina: Jehovah. Eloi.
Jack: What's happening there? Okay, I'mma clarify very easily. It's a first and last name. Now think about it. Does this answer anything for you?
Cristina: They're related. No, I don't know.
Jack: God, I hate that I have to explain some of these really obvious. That should have clicked it. Okay, let's string this back.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: We thought Loi was living a long time because of him being way the h*** over there and him being way the h*** over here in two totally different times. We also eventually thought maybe hello. I is actually a title of some sort.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: It'S a title. It's a last name. It's a family last name. Yeah, it's Yahweh Eloi. It's Jehovah Eloi.
Cristina: Because it's a title.
Jack: It's a title. It literally wasn't.
Cristina: So you found out that what we thought was right is right.
Jack: Not only what we thought was right, but literally what the title meant. It's a family lineage last name meaning through Eloi alone, we could find out what other thing they would attach to the word Eloi and land at different people from within the same lineage. We can track his entire family history because it's anybody who's labeled as Eloi in both spellings of Eloi and Elohim.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Holy s***. We just have a way now.
Cristina: The track is family tree track.
Jack: Jehovah and his biology we can follow.
Cristina: Okay, but the person we're following right now is Jehovah.
Jack: This right now just tells us that it's Jehovah that AP was having a problem with. And AP was the Greek Apollo Okay.
Cristina: That's such a crazy story. Okay.
Jack: Yeah. So this actually serves into not only clarifying the fact that we were essentially right about the title. The title, but a previous problem that we'd run across is confirmed here, too, that the Greek and the Aletians did not get along. There was always conflict one way or another.
Cristina: They tried real hard to work together.
Jack: They were courteous.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But did not like one another.
Cristina: Yeah. Is there any hints of what it was, that they were having a problem?
Jack: No, he doesn't specify, other than he was more focused on the mental state of his mentor and how, like, this guy brings him emotional distress. Which just goes to show that whatever Jehovah God, or now, as we know, Jehovah, Eloi of the Eloi family lineage, see, we just know that that guy probably was just real oppressive in a way that Apollo couldn't do anything about. I mean, literally, in the context that he words him, the word that is being tossed in seems to be God. I don't know if now that makes sense, because it could have just been the guy's last name. It literally is the guy's last name, or he's also considering their entire last name was built around the word God. Like, they didn't build that, but rather the word God got extrapolated from those people. I think so, like, literally. It's not that Eloi means God. No, it's that God means Eloi.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Like that's where it began.
Cristina: I think so.
Jack: Yeah. That's what I'm thinking. That's why I think that translation happened. And this will. This would make so much sense because, again, the way he described the initials are weird. That was the weirdest part, because when you throw it and you get Jehovah God, this doesn't work. Initials, bro. You put it in initial form. That's weird. That's a full name.
Cristina: Yeah, you put it.
Jack: But then you run it and you get two different names we were sure were names. If you run them individually, they are Jehovah and Eloi.
Cristina: It has to be a family thing or not family. It could be a title. Still could.
Jack: Yeah, it could be a title within a family or within Elysians, but it's at least connecting a series of individuals that at least three of them we know are within the same family or are at least within the same line of work. That would afford them the title.
Cristina: Yes. Yes, that could be most likely it.
Jack: Yeah, that could also be it. I guess.
Cristina: They don't necessarily work the same as us. They don't have Names the same as us. Like we have a name. Or maybe just like maybe they could.
Jack: They're still earthlings. They're still intelligent individuals. And it's an easy way to distinct.
Cristina: Between our last names. Was our jobs originally.
Jack: I mean our last names. Yes. But we were the invention of a last name comes as a imitation of something. What were we imitating?
Cristina: Yes. So the gods had to have.
Jack: They had last names we were imitating.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Even Apollo had Alesias as his last name. And he was just the Greek God in the very text that give him a last name. Which doesn't make sense. It breaks the idea that he's a God if he has a last name.
Cristina: Interesting.
Jack: Except he's a dude who taught you stuff, talked to you personally and you refer to him by first and last name. It's like, come on, bro.
Cristina: That's a guy who his frenemy was or whatever.
Jack: Like these people are grounded.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: They seem to exist. So again, either we found a way to track a bloodline or at least a line literally now connecting that we can use to find other individuals from within the same line. LOI from 3.5 million years ago must have had a first name.
Cristina: Yes. That couldn't.
Jack: Was not it. He had a first name and we literally have just not stumbled upon it.
Cristina: Or it was. And he was the first.
Jack: Or he was the first.
Cristina: He was the first and everyone took it after him.
Jack: Yeah. Because of the big impact he had.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: It's significant to go after his name. He's Link. You might not literally be Link.
Cristina: Oh my God.
Jack: But you're now gonna assume this identity because it's your destiny to fulfill the role of Link.
Cristina: The church. You're the chosen one.
Jack: You're the chosen One.
Cristina: Really? It's not really. That works. Okay. Whoa.
Jack: To clarify, this in no way connects us to our necromancer. This is just other unrelated fascinating information that just happened to pop up as a result of trying to find a necromancer.
Cristina: Random. Are we ever gonna find them?
Jack: Big top dogs are at least in the vicinity of the people who would have access to necromancers. For a fact. This all checks out.
Cristina: Still nothing about necromancy.
Jack: Still nothing. Things that in looking through this information we come up with is actually that the term see people is a slur. It is used offensively to talk about the Elysians. That is the reason that exists. Sea people is a way to say f****** people from over there. Those m************. That's essentially what sea people translates to.
Cristina: To Them because they don't like them.
Jack: Because they don't like the se people.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: That's always been a slur term. And we did that now. Okay, so our apologies, guys, I guess.
Cristina: That's so weird.
Jack: Yeah, but makes sense. It makes sense. It makes sense because why would they be the courteous ones? They're the only ones referring that way consistently. The only other mentions were people who also had conflict. Okay. It checks out.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It's fair.
Cristina: That makes sense.
Jack: Okay, Makes sense now. Now, one other figure is mentioned in Aristotle's notes.
Cristina: Are you giving me another initials?
Jack: No, this guy just kind of shows up in full name.
Cristina: Really?
Jack: Hermes Trismegustus.
Cristina: Awful. Okay.
Jack: Which is often described in the notes as wandering the halls of the facility. And Hermes Trismages, if you do not know, is a legendary Greek figure, oftentimes associated with the Greek God Hermes and oftentimes associated with the Egyptian God Thoth, which. Thoth is actually one of the members of the sun gods. Yeah. And Hermes is one of the members of the Egyptian of the Greek gods. Just another casual one. We just.
Cristina: This is not a God.
Jack: This guy's not a God. This is just a dude.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: This guy is just a dude. Now, about this dude. All this other data I've looked at, and let me tell you how this guy is put in the paper. He's written in two occasions as one, awaiting his private students. Casual, two, awaiting the pass. Sacred, hidden or private knowledge. He's the one teaching private things within the school. That's all ready for selective children.
Cristina: Okay, okay. Okay.
Jack: Now this makes it seem like Hermes was a literal individual in the school who himself was conducting research but teaching individuals. We know his impactful things that provided literal hermeticism. He's credited with developing hermeticism and the hermetic principles.
Cristina: Wait, he's that guy.
Jack: He's that guy.
Cristina: He's that guy. No. Okay.
Jack: He's that guy.
Cristina: He's that guy.
Jack: He's that guy. Now it makes a lot more sense, right? He's that guy.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It becomes a kind of like. Well, I guess we could have started there if we thought about him and like, worked back and probably got into where we were going real quick because, like, yeah, that's kind of on paper. Literally what you would need to know in or that's his beliefs given for the general public. We wouldn't know how to apply it in a way that we could use it. But he's essentially telling us an easy way to think about what necromancy is. Oh, if everything is one, you could traverse any part of it. All sides are connected, so you could move seamlessly between these states.
Cristina: Oh, crap.
Jack: Like all of this is just discussing f****** necromancy. It's necromancy. Necromancy for dummies. And the hermeticism as we know it is her necromancy for dummies. Understand it. Meanwhile, he had a way of teaching people how to use it, and that's what you went to that. So he would teach both things, his hermeticism and deep hermeticism, which was necromancy. It was Hermes Trismegistus. He was the necromancer.
Cristina: No way. But do we know if any of his students actually became necromancers at that school?
Jack: We don't know. The only mentions of actual necromancy that we have are all assumptions. And it's because they fit the suit, not because they were literally other than Merlin.
Cristina: That seems to be. We don't have any stories of him doing anything. Necromancy like, well, we got to focus on him.
Jack: We were just looking for him.
Cristina: He has the knowledge, though. That's crazy.
Jack: Yeah, we got him.
Cristina: We got.
Jack: We got who I think it is. If he ain't in, at least this is the road. I told you. Just getting here. We have run out of time just getting to him. We ran out of time, man.
Cristina: That was shocking. That's more. That's. That's so crazy.
Jack: I mean, it's not even secret knowledge that's just out there. He really just published a public version of the thing, and it's literally the lessons he was trying to teach privately. So it was. It's not even that hard. It's. Here's the information. If you get it, you'll come find me, and then I'll teach you the deep s***. It's not even that crazy. It makes perfect sense.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Hence the exoteric and the esoteric. If you get the exoteric, come find me. I'll teach you the esoteric if you want it.
Cristina: Nice.
Jack: And it's like, oh, s***. It's not even that hidden, bro. It's just hard. And nobody's gonna do it. And so the three guys who did we know about and maybe some others, but, like, maybe not. And like, maybe it's so hard, only once every couple hundred years some dude makes it because also he will be f****** immortal.
Cristina: But like, so he's immortal if he's the teacher. If he's the teacher.
Jack: If he's the teacher, he's immortal.
Cristina: Okay, yeah.
Jack: Us no longer Hearing about him has nothing to do with him necessarily dying.
Cristina: No, because we know Jesus was having F names. And.
Jack: Yes, it's. Exactly. This even brings the question, in theory, if we actually know Merlin is dead. Like, weird. Like, that happens because the more we know about necromancy, the less likely that becomes.
Cristina: Okay, that makes awesome, you know? Yeah. He might not be dead.
Jack: Like, he might not be dead. They have this ability to just, like, poof. And now you're just gone. All of them do. It seems.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So, like, maybe he's just like. That was a close one. This.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: That makes so much sense. Oh, my gosh. Do you know, like, it is what it is. Or maybe he's like, an outlaw or some s***. There's really little on Merlin. Maybe he's an outlaw or some s***. Why isn't he hanging out with Elysians? You're hanging out way the f*** out there, bro.
Cristina: But we know guys that don't want to be part of it. Like that guy in Ireland. What's his name? The one with the trees? He just wants to protect the trees.
Jack: No, he was sent there.
Cristina: Oh, yeah.
Jack: You're talking about Mananan.
Cristina: Yeah, he said. He seems pretty private, though. Besides that.
Jack: That's his job. He's literally building an entire island that they have there so they can continue. His life is surrounded by work. Oh, he's like an elite scientist soldier dude or some.
Cristina: Okay, I guess. Yeah, I guess that's not the same.
Jack: Weirdly enough, I don't actually think he's doing the research there. I think he's the guy protecting.
Cristina: No. Yeah, I think he's just protecting it.
Jack: The people who are doing the research. His job is to overlook. So. But, yeah. Anyways, either way, that's where we are. So we. We got Hermes. And he seems like. Yeah.
Cristina: If anybody, he might be something.
Jack: Yeah. If anything, him.
Cristina: If anything, him.
Jack: Yeah, if anything, him. I don't know who else I'd point at, but, like, that guy. Yes, him.
Cristina: Why?
Jack: He fits that too hard. Hermeticism is essentially necromancy. It's all of the points you need to understand in order to be. Plus Latin, I guess. And know the tech. You need to know these ideas. You need to know Latin. And then I guess the hard part is you must find, learn, and understand how to use the technologies associated with all three realms. That part seems hard.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: He gave you the other stuff.
Cristina: Can we prove he did any of that?
Jack: We can't prove he did any of that. As of me giving this information that we're both Fully updated on to the.
Cristina: That's the end of today.
Jack: Yeah. As of now. No. But he's our next target.
Cristina: Awesome.
Jack: He's the focus. If anybody he's handing out get into him. He's him, bro. He's. He's. He's either him or he's him. I mean, Eloise him as far as we know. But like. No, he would be him if anybody's gonna crap. No, he would be because these guys are more dangerous than freaking the Nesians, bro.
Cristina: Yeah, they are.
Jack: So he is him.
Cristina: He would be.
Jack: He might be him. He might be him. If him isn't from Elfame, him is from Earth Realm. And if. If him is from Earth Realm, he's him. It's him. It has to be him.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: I don't think we have the ability to produce something more overpowered than a necromancer. As far as we know.
Cristina: As far as we don't know.
Jack: But also, it seems with power scale, crap seems to disappear. And if we're whittled down the four individuals, that means whatever the next power scale is we've not even seen yet.
Cristina: No.
Jack: And when we do, we'll have just one and no.
Cristina: Which is the guy who may or may not have escaped this reality.
Jack: You think he would be above?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Why?
Cristina: Because he's in the real world.
Jack: But so are people of Elfame. Fairies inherently are also in the real world. It's not like a feat of accomplishment. And all the necromancers can do that too. He's below everything we just discussed because he also needed all this other to get there. Okay, that's some bottom feeder as compared to the power level jumps we have done.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: We're talking season one, Dragon Ball Z in the Saiyan Saga versus Buu Saga. That kind of gap.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Like Yalda. Yeah. He seems scary when Raditz was all we knew about. Now does Raditz seem scary when you see Boo, it's like, no. Raditz is just a dude.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: He could kind of be handled when you think about it in comparison.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: A well placed backhand by Boo would end Raddus. You know, like, it's okay. That's where we are. Hermes. He's him. We gotta go look at Hermes.
Cristina: Yes. What a name.
Jack: Anyways, I hope this has been informative and enlightening to everybody.
Cristina: That was.
Jack: And it's crazy because it was so obvious that Loi was a last name. We were so close without somebody literally telling us we were so close. But if we didn't say last name. We were that close because we knew a title of some sort. We were so close, it was like an inch away. That's essentially getting it. Except we didn't cross the line. We didn't cross the finish line. But we were there. We were as close as anybody else is getting.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: We found out Jehovah's last name is Loi and that all the mentions of Loi are just some title or last name. The end. That's it. Got it.
Cristina: Crazy.
Jack: It's either a bloodline.
Cristina: Now we're gonna find out, though.
Jack: Study. Yeah. Those are two things we gotta look at deeply. We gotta look at. Well, three things. We gotta look at Hermes, we gotta look at Apollo. And we have to look at the Loi title itself.
Cristina: That's a lot of crap.
Jack: Three important. Well, two important and one curious thing, which is Apollo. I don't think that's necessarily relevant, but that's just interesting.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: More information, and usually the interesting leads into other insight. If you guys have any input or any information you'd like to give us or comments or questions or concerns, you can reach us on our socials at just Convopod on X, on Instagram, on Facebook, on Tick Tock.
Cristina: Okay. Remember to subscribe and review the show.
Jack: Yes. And word of mouth. Tell everybody we're getting to it. I don't know what we're getting to. It seems like an infinite hole.
Cristina: Yeah. Yes.
Jack: But there's stuff happening.
Cristina: Yes, there's definitely stuff happening.
Jack: This junk and stuff. Tell people about that word of mouth. Tell them about the junk and stuff.
Cristina: Yes. This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.
Jack: Bye, Sabbath.
Cristina: Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.