Rambling 262: Baigong Pipes
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What do the 150,000 year old Baigong Pipes tell us about the technology of the time? Where do the pipes come from and where do they go? What civilization ultimately developed this? The duo dive deeper into the Baigong Pipes in their attempt to connect it back to the elusive Eloai who was known to be around in that period.
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Topics Discussed:
- Ancient Technology
- White Mountain
- Strange Cave Systems
- Lake Toson
- Pipes to the West
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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. Hi, I'm your host, Jack.
Cristina: I am your host, Christina.
Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. As ideas go, when they're baffled, or I guess the ideas are baffled, they're baffling ideas. We are baffled by the ideas.
Cristina: I'm very baffled.
Jack: So last time on Dragon Ball Z, we were talking about technology, old technology, and we came across some interesting things. We found out that India pumps out magical weapons. We found out that Jesus was in China. Jesus was in China?
Cristina: I think that happened.
Jack: Yeah. Well, he passed through China.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: And he left behind the tech for a Maduga jigger.
Cristina: Tornado watcher.
Jack: No. Earthquake. Yeah.
Cristina: Some other thing.
Jack: And we found out. I guess that was it. I'm not really sure. I know that matters.
Cristina: How is that important to Jesus? So many questions.
Jack: You mentioned Jesus.
Cristina: No, that's.
Jack: What.
Cristina: What? The thing. The thing that he did.
Jack: Oh.
Cristina: What?
Jack: I don't know.
Cristina: So many questions.
Jack: Yeah, that's a weird. It's litter. Like, it couldn't be anybody else. It was definitely Jesus.
Cristina: But why?
Jack: But why? Like, bro. What. What a weird, random moment. He really just passing through, I guess. I was just working on some earthquake detection tech. Casual.
Cristina: Does China just have an earthquake problem?
Jack: They don't.
Cristina: They don't.
Jack: I have no idea. Like, they.
Cristina: Which he was going there. So maybe he was working on this for Japan for some reason.
Jack: That actually. That actually holds up, to be honest. Maybe he was figuring this out on his way to Japan.
Cristina: Really thinking about the earthquakes over there. That's really preparing himself. Okay. Anyway, what were you gonna say?
Jack: No, that makes perfect sense, though. I. I dig it. Like, it does check out because we do have to figure out why the Just working with the stack. But it checks out. He was going to Japan. Japan has mad earthquakes. All their buildings are essentially built like the Midwest. Wait, now the Midwest is. It's like California skyscrapers. There you go. Everything, like, sways. Then again, New York also has it too, but it's simply because those buildings are exceptionally tall. So you need them to be able to sway in the middle of wind and earthquakes so they don't just topple down. Anyways, in China, we also came across an interesting detail. Now, in that episode, we were just going through a bunch of technological things going on, right? We were looking at the Greek technology and the batteries that were made in Persia, and we were Looking at the really comprehensive Egyptian energy systems. Not ones, all of the above staffs. But again, it's not a staff. It is part of an energy system we ignorantly call themselves. There's a lot going on. It's more complicated than our words that we're used to using describe, but yes. Batteries, energy grids, energy transportation and delivery and storage. A lot of stuff.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Telescopes looking far into the deep. Computing power beyond our comprehension. Great. Fantastic. But one of the pieces of information that we found relative to really old, old, old tech was in the form of these Chinese pipes. Right. And these Chinese pipes definitely baffled us. Not because, oh, old tech that suggests water systems and electrical wiring, but because 150,000 years ago sounds wrong for what we know. So we had three points of interest to look at last time. And the three points of interest included finding out how the Chinese were involved with Loi, which was also around 150,000 years ago. Finding out how India and whatever happened there was severely connected to making magical weapons. Something's weird about India that we don't understand.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: As well as Boti's void, AKA the Great Void, and how the Egyptians have influenced. And there's probably stories that we didn't think of because we were trying to think of in a literal sense. And like, oh, we did this. No, we did that. The. Under the light of understanding what these things are in context, maybe if we dive deep enough into some Egyptian narratives that they've written down and we're like, oh, these are just stories. But it's like, no, there's an equation on the wall and they're telling us what the h*** they did with the tech. I'm sure that's somewhere we just gotta look through a lot.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And also the last bit is the fact that it seems that the Elysians might have definitely had the ability to alter the weather as well, which was something we casually strode through. But it brings up an interesting point. The Bermuda Triangle over it has an undefined weird series of weather patterns consistently occurring. This falls well, well, well in line with where and what. Like where they would be and what they'd be doing to protect themselves on top of. So we're talking cloaking and weather and deep.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: You're not touching us, you're not finding us. We are invisible type of s***.
Cristina: Although visible, but obvious at the same time because of the storm.
Jack: Okay. So the area around the Bermuda Triangle, the perimeter is the size of some of the largest continents we know. It's bigger than Australia. Okay, that's first Second, you're telling me you're gonna find a city roughly the size of New. Not even a city. We're talking a city that is smaller. A city then New Jersey. As in the small. One of the smallest. Isn't New Jersey's Rhode Island. Right. One of the smallest states.
Cristina: How do you know it's small?
Jack: Because we are talking about a city. A city of people. They didn't evacuate a country. They themselves describe it as a city. So you have an area the size of one eighth of the ocean it's in, and you're telling me even if it was the size of a state.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: We pick the smallest state, which has hundreds of cities, and we put that into the Bermuda triangle. And it's 1% of it. Less than 1%. So is it obvious to find them, or would it take lifetimes, infinite technology, something that could withstand depth, and also find something invisible? After successfully traversing whatever weather conditions are happening, I think they're doing a pretty good job. Obvious is less than a word. We could be there, survive every bit of everything that they have provided for us, and we would still have to comb through hundreds of miles underwater. There's no chance, even if we could detect them invisible, that we would find them. Assuming it's the size of New Jersey, the state.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It would disappear. You drop New Jersey into the Bermuda Triangle. Gone. You wouldn't find New Jersey.
Cristina: Is that giant? Yes, it is. It is huge.
Jack: It's touching Florida, Puerto Rico, and Bermuda.
Cristina: Yeah, it's a big. Okay.
Jack: You would never find the city. You could drop Texas in there and lose it. If the city was the size of Texas, we would still never find it. I. I don't even do the. The overkill they have performed in disappearing into this one region because. Persian Gulf oasis. Good story, bro. Kind of easy to find it. Let's be real. It's deep. It's not large. Like, we can't get there. We know where you are. We could wait. We could wait. We could station ourselves around here. You got to come out. We could wait. But the Bermuda Triangle, Even if we decided to wait, where would we stand? Even if we could get down there and circle the entire Bermuda Triangle, how far away from any of the edges could you theoretically be? Hundreds of miles?
Cristina: Mm
Jack: D***, bro. Yeah, but that level of over. Who the f*** are they hiding from?
Cristina: Besides Jesus? I don't know.
Jack: They're not hiding from Jesus.
Cristina: You don't think so?
Jack: I mean, they're getting away from Jesus, but they're not hiding from Jesus. I'M I'm pretty sure the hiding isn't like, oh, Jesus is coming for us. Oh, I think it's like people are having visions of. Because of Jesus and like we don't want them to know we exist.
Cristina: They're scared of Mab. Mab? Is that how you say it?
Jack: Why would they be scared of Mab?
Cristina: She is a God. I don't know.
Jack: What reason do they have? Isn't she scared of them? It seems.
Cristina: Wouldn't that be a reason? I don't know. Because she could probably destroy them if she found them, if she was looking.
Jack: Well, the argument would be how do you. If there's a virus on the Internet, Right. We currently have the existing Internet and we currently have superpowers with access to it. Why are there so viruses? Well, it's because you can't really find something in the Internet. Not really. It's like it's a f****** Internet. Where would you look if it had the ability to just change its address consistently? How do you find out? Good. So presumably some clever AI that's discovered the system can consistently alter its data and move through undetected.
Cristina: What do you think they're hiding from?
Jack: I don't know that they're hiding.
Cristina: I don't think they're hiding.
Jack: I don't know that they're hiding. We have no proof that they're hiding. That's sort of just a theory we had. But at this point it seems more like Mab is the one who should be hiding.
Cristina: Why should she be hiding?
Jack: Because it seems like programs are successfully exiting the systems they were created for, which is a very Terminator esque apocalypse. Just.
Cristina: Well, we just know maybe one Yalda. Yeah, yeah, that's it.
Jack: But yeah, why would she even know about what evidence would she even have that the Elysians exist? Her one worry is Yalda. And now she knows what Yalda is doing to begin with.
Cristina: I guess. So what do you think then? They're just, hi. They're not hiding?
Jack: I don't think they're hiding. I think they're just like, leave us alone. We're doing important and you primitive creatures are just gonna be a nuisance. And anybody who isn't primitive, well, why do you need to know what we're doing? And again, Jesus. People are having visions of Jesus. That's the important part. Everything we've been working on is now exposed. As long as he's around us, we can't have him around us. To suppress exposure. Which because of their efforts afterwards, makes perfect sense. They were just trying to suppress his existence. So based on that we can understand they're not necessarily scared of Jesus. More so how annoying. And a lot of damage control. Yeah, it's like how annoying Jesus exists. Let's get on it. And a bunch of processes in order to do that. From the creation of Catholicism to the ninth Templar, changing narratives, altering Bibles, fighting public records and changing them. Giant project, whole group of people whose job is doing it. They created two entire sectors. Catholicism and the ninth symbol are entirely with this.
Cristina: And what do you think he's trying to do? Is he trying to get out into the real world too?
Jack: Who, Jesus? Yeah, not a clue.
Cristina: Do you think that would be where he's trying to get to?
Jack: We need some data on him in order to make any conclusion. We have nothing on him that isn't provided to us by the very people who were changing the narrative to begin with. Everything is to some third party source, which is like, oh, he did this, or he was there. And that's how we've pieced together all the extra details. But there's barely anything on him. Everything is just entirely like, well, these people were doing this allegedly because of him, so this must be the.
Cristina: Because it feels like he tried to get out too. If he could, that's even possible.
Jack: Well, he seems to be created for the purpose, so maybe he has an infinite drive in that direction.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So we don't really know. There's not really a lot on Jesus. But going back to the fascinating detail about those pipes, Jesus irrelevant. Jesus creator, Jehovah. Interesting. Kinda sorta.
Cristina: How so?
Jack: Well, where he comes from, who he is. And more so looking at these pipes and the fact that his grandfather is somehow around that same time, we don't know where Eloi was. We have no idea where Eloh comes from.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: We know that Jehovah comes from the Persian Gulf oasis. That is who they are. They are particularly Iranian people from the Persian Gulf oasis. So that specific area, I mean, the Persian Gulf nevertheless. So yeah, Iran. But eloi, Jehovah's grandfather, 150,000 years ago, goes ahead and creates the stone of Adam, but also 150,000 years ago, just so happens to be when we're nearest dating these pipes in China, that's around the same time. Yeah. 150,000 years ago these pipes were made. And 150,000 years ago, LOI creates the philosopher's zone. So two connect these two dots. Assuming that it's about a thousand years difference, there's enough time in that 1,000 years to develop advanced technology. Let's say the philosopher's stone and then change the entire infrastructure of your civilization. There is a thousand f****** years between. Just saying. It's one year. Really? We know that he began the process 156,000 years ago. So there's about 6,000 years time. I'm shrinking it to show how exaggerated amount of time he has between just coming up with the stone and the time that we date these f******. There was enough time that maybe he could have discovered it at point A 156,000 years ago. Keep in mind the time scale of this man. We're talking 3 million years. And all of this happened so close together. Millions and millions and millions of years. I don't f****** know. I don't know. There's some. I think it's because we're thinking age and we think human. They're not human.
Cristina: They're not human. Okay. Yeah.
Jack: I think that's the reality of the matter. There's some different biological ticker.
Cristina: Yeah. You don't even know if they die. They have to die.
Jack: I don't know. We have no idea. We have no idea. We know they evolve according to stuff, but we don't know if they die other than getting murdered.
Cristina: Yeah. Besides that. Okay.
Jack: We don't know if natural death. Alternatively we literally. But again, it's so conflicting.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Because then we have Asriel, the geneticist who figures out how to solve cell deterioration and thus solve death. How the h***.
Cristina: When was that? That was way after him.
Jack: Way after this. Roughly 12,000.
Cristina: So then that doesn't make sense.
Jack: It doesn't. It doesn't. I don't. Loi must have known something. Or as we established previous episode, there is an Eloi who was the grandfather of Jehovah. But perhaps there are many people by the title Loi. Maybe Loi is not a name. Maybe it is a rank, a title, a descriptor.
Cristina: But it's definitely a C person.
Jack: I guess it would have to be at this point. It's somehow connected to them. And as far as we know, the only Loi we do know, established and mentioned repeatedly, is the grandfather of Jehovah. Is the only reference we have to Loi that specifically uses the name in context, in location, in reference to. We have other mentions.
Cristina: Could be just people calling themselves Loi. Yes, I guess that makes sense.
Jack: In mythology, in scripture, in religion, a common theme is if this name shows up here and this name equally shows up over there, or a variation of it shows up over there, the characteristics tend to be almost identical. It's usually that, oh, they're talking about the same person in their own language and with their own ideas. So it sounds a little bit different, but it's ultimately grounded in the same basic idea. So it's identical to some degree. Mm, no loi fits this. That is very interesting. In trying to find out how loi connects to China, one of the rabbit holes I dove down is how do we have loi throughout time? Throughout a lot of time through. Like this m*********** must have seen dinosaurs, bro. Like, that's hardcore. Like, what the f***?
Cristina: It has to be different dudes.
Jack: It has to be different dudes. But then that creates a different problem. We're talking that many thousand millions of years worth of civilization that was advanced. We're reaching some complicated territory. What the. We're talking loi. We can trace this thing 3 million years back. There was that level of just like awareness also for a shadow person. Sure, whatever. They're not mortal in the same way. So is the loi that Susan first interacted with and the loi that Susan then joins or not joins but works with? Could be. Is it different?
Cristina: Why not?
Jack: I don't know. And we. Because we don't have a first hand account of like. Well, Susan just said this like, we don't know.
Cristina: But yeah, we don't know if any of them are this like. It could be a title. It could definitely be a title of person who's important that gets that title.
Jack: Yeah, for sure. For sure. But also Jehovah all the way to creation of Jesus 12,000 years back, all the way there. Still excessive.
Cristina: I could also be a title.
Jack: No, same person.
Cristina: How do you know?
Jack: Because I'm talking up to you that I've confirmed this. The point was to try to nail these things down. This was the research I was doing. I was looking.
Cristina: What about the guy that made there was a person who figured out how to stay alive forever. We know that guy.
Jack: Azrael.
Cristina: Azrael, her. Okay. That person was that before them? After them. It was after them.
Jack: That was during Jehovah's time.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: So it makes sense for Jehovah could be the same person.
Jack: Okay, no. So yes, it makes sense that Jehovah is the same person because all the accounts are the same person. But Jehovah first mentions we get are about 12,000 years ago. Asriel discovers this about 7,000 years ago. You still lived 5,000 years without discovering the cure to death.
Cristina: How do you know it's the same guy again?
Jack: Because it is a consistent mention. They are referencing the Same individual. They're talking about the same instances. It's the same people talking about the same memories. There's records of the same instances. There's conversations that happen with this guy and this guy. And then one of these people over there and they have a conversation. It's like, okay, this is the literal same instance. So this happens over and over. You can confirm, oh, yes, it's the same person he's talking about. Because this event would only be known by that person. This happened firsthand account. Okay. Those two people have first hand accounts. So we can trace all the first hand accounts. Jehovah's one guy. No way to prove Veloi. Also, we have so little on him. But Jehovah's one dude. I mean, we had this confirmed for the longest to the point that there's a single discrepancy. And we still are just assuming we were calling that guy Jehovah Dark, but it might have just been Yalda this whole time.
Cristina: Oh, yeah.
Jack: Like, that's how consistent he is. The one deviation, we're like, well, that's f****** weird because everything else is consistent.
Cristina: It's a different dude.
Jack: It's a different dude. The one dude, we labeled him as a different dude. That's how consistent Jehovah is. It's easy to be like, that's definitely him and then this other guy is definitely not, but, you know, shows up as the same guy in text. Even if we know based on all accounts he's met.
Cristina: Okay. But there's still a chance that this other guy is just a bunch of different guys.
Jack: Loi.
Cristina: Loi.
Jack: Yes. There's no account. There's nothing telling us he's not. And there's nothing telling us he is.
Cristina: Because there's not much.
Jack: There's not much. But we know he's around 150,000 years ago when we're dating these pipes to these ancient, ancient pipes.
Cristina: And what again did he have to do with the pipes? He made the pipes.
Jack: I know he existed at the same time as the pipes. I tried to associate these pipes directly to him.
Cristina: We don't have the answer to that.
Jack: Well, allow me to enlighten you with some interesting details relative to these pipes. These details are going to change a lot of what you know about life. So we'll begin by reiterating their name. The Baigong pipes in China.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: So scientists are sure when looking at them factually, these are pipes. Derangement is too intentional.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: They found these while looking for dinosaur bones. Let's reiterate. They're looking where you'd expect to find the dinosaurs, and you came across these pipes. Their idea was right. And then when they dated the pipes, their timing. Yeah, okay, fair. We're in the ballpark of when we would find this kind of residue made of this kind of material, because it's what's left. So these pipes were probably made around the time of dinosaurs. How the f***. Okay, great. Fantastic.
Cristina: Is that really what.
Jack: Yeah. Sweet. Except two details make this really, really, really fascinating detail. Number one, they're believed to have been created out of fossilized tree roots and tree trunks.
Cristina: What does that mean? How's that possible? How can you do something like that?
Jack: I'll say it again.
Cristina: How old are these tree trunks?
Jack: They believe they've been made out of fossilized tree roots and tree trunks. We are talking about trees. And Eloi and that he made his people or something made these pipes out of trees somehow. Additionally, they don't know what kind of trees because the combination of particles is unknown.
Cristina: Poor fairies, huh?
Jack: Additionally, upon studying it, the method used to force the roots to fossilize in this way must have been too intentional. This does not happen in nature. Every step of the process, how they're laid, where they're laid, their composition.
Cristina: These are not normal pipes.
Jack: They obviously they're not normal. They're pipes moving water and electricity 150,000 years ago. They're definitely as far from normal as we can get. Enter White Mountain. In fact, before I even show you White Mountain, I'll give you some descriptors about White Mountain.
Cristina: It's mountain though, right? I don't know.
Jack: Yeah, so the mountain is well noted. These places are all in China, by the way. White Mountain is noted for its strong pyramid like appearance, especially at the top. And this is. How do I explain it? You know what? I'll show you.
Cristina: You can't even explain it.
Jack: It's. It's a series of events I have to explain. And you need to look at it to understand. So allow me to introduce you. I don't know why it's called White Mountain. Probably because it's bread. This is White Mountain.
Cristina: What is that?
Jack: I just said that is White Mountain.
Cristina: That doesn't look like a normal mountain.
Jack: Well, I also said that it is well noted for its.
Cristina: Well, I didn't really say it.
Jack: Okay, so it's well known because it looks like a pyramid. Specifically on top, when it's unnaturally flat. But also when measured, all four sections are astoundingly flat. Almost like this mountain was made intentionally.
Cristina: It's a very Odd looking mountain. Yeah.
Jack: Somehow trees on it some. Again, this is a project that would have had to take thousands of years. Thousands, thousands of years. You have to shape the mountain and then you need these trees to grow on top of it to full scale. These are old trees. 2, 300 years old. Then you needed the mountain itself. And then you need the trees to be evenly distributed across. This is terraforming. We're looking at a terraformed mountain. But how? We can't terraform now. So we're like, oh no, it's just a mountain. It's this weird shaped mountain.
Cristina: But it's not.
Jack: I mean, look at the f****** mountain. Come on. How the f*** is that natural?
Cristina: What did they say? They think it's natural.
Jack: Yeah, they're trying. You know, humans must be the pinnacle at any given moment. So this couldn't have been done because we can't do it now. So it couldn't have been done then. But. But bro, the pipes couldn't have been done then either. And there they are.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So let me tell you about White Mountain. White Mountain has three caves. And out of these three caves in White Mountain, two of them, the smaller two caves are collapsed and the third larger cave, about 18ft in diameter, open. You go in, walk a little tunnel. You get to a cavity inside that's about 30 by 30, you know, pretty spacious area. You could probably do some things with. In that chamber the pipes exist. So the pipes that I showed you, the Beijing pipes.
Cristina: Oh, okay. They're in the mountain.
Jack: In the mountain, in the pardon mat you can get to.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: There are two different assortments of these pipes. One is a 40 centimeter in diameter pipe, very big, sticking out of the wall. It goes somewhere. It's clogged. So sending things in doesn't really help you get any deeper. But it went somewhere on the other side. Maybe 30 little pipes of different sizes from maybe like 10 centimeters to about 25 on average. Sticking out of the wall pipes.
Cristina: You have a picture of these pipes of the inside of the.
Jack: No, it's nothing complicated. You can picture what I'm saying.
Cristina: It's just as I'm saying, it sounds very crazy.
Jack: It's a wall with pipe sticking out in a mountain. It doesn't look like a mountain when you're looking at a photo. It's sticking out of a wall. It looks like a wall.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But down the hallway there's a. There's a cave and the hallway is wrong. So it's a cave. There's no tunnel branching out. And there's another empty cavity about 20 by 20 with another tunnel. 20 by 20 again another tunnel. And 20 by 20 for four rooms. 130 by 3320 by 20. None of the three 20 by 20s have any pipes in them. Only the first chamber does. The first chamber is the first one you walk into when you go through the cave. So that's in this artificial looking mountain with who knows the length of time. That's unrealistic for any one being to see the progress. Let's say you're human. You can bare minimum, you're the. Oh gee, you live a hundred years. This is still too short of a time to carve this entire mountain, shape it and have 300 year old trees grow on the side of it. This is not happening. So whoever began this didn't see it ever weird. Unless they did, in which case they weren't human.
Cristina: No. Oh, what's with the pipes though?
Jack: Don't know. I know the pipes are in there.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Not the slightest clue what is going on with the pipes. Mmm, weirdo.
Cristina: Weird. I'm so confused about these fairy trees now. Like I thought the fairy trees were fairy trees underneath it. Are there pipes underneath the fairy trees? I don't understand.
Jack: I never said fairy trees. I said trees.
Cristina: But it's so much like fairy trees are involved somehow. Yeah.
Jack: And the whole little mountain thing, the hill, that's very fairy. Fairy forts happen on the hill.
Cristina: Unless between the two trees the roots are pipes.
Jack: No, these were man or not man made. But these were artificial. It's structures that were created by people. They were done using trees. They were forcefully fossilized as I described before. But they didn't happen naturally this way. Which was literally part of the sentence that was in the article. These do not naturally occur.
Cristina: Well, they think that.
Jack: Right. Based on their own thing. These had to be intention. Also the shape of the pipes tells you this was not just roots to a tree. It's like somebody made the same shape over and over and stacked them miles connecting so that they're pipes. It didn't look like tree roots that suddenly atrophied and became a series of interconnected.
Cristina: Have you got any idea of what's.
Jack: Going on in that Russian doll cups? No, I don't. I told you what I know about the mountain. There's three caves, two of which are collapses. Small ones, one larger, one large one leads to a big chamber with these two different series. One huge pipe and a bunch of tiny pipes of different sizes. And then three additional rooms going further in. Not a. Not the slightest Clue weird, right?
Cristina: Yes. No hint, no nothing.
Jack: No tells, no nothing. Everything, every theory, every, everything is just people being like. Literally no dots connected. People being mystical. God made it or this or that or blah, blah, blah, blah. Nothing grounded. I looked at different angles. Nothing is just people being like. They literally can't explain it so much. It has to be aliens or mystical.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: That's it. And not even like a conclusion. So what the purpose is just up beyond. It's that old beyond. Yep, Just beyond.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: As humans do.
Cristina: That is so weird.
Jack: It is very odd. So knowing that, that's very odd. Ah, allow me to then show you the next exhibit.
Cristina: In China or somewhere.
Jack: Yes, they are all in China. And this one is called. This one is in Lake Tayson, also in China.
Cristina: It's in a lake.
Jack: It's another pipe. So let me tell you about this pipe.
Cristina: All silk, China.
Jack: Yeah. They're all about the same age.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: In Lake Tayson. Be ready for what I'm about to say because although simple, very, very simple. In fact, I guarantee you've heard it before within the context of what you already know, this is going to get much more confusing, I assure you.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: In Lake Tayson, the same pipe, right? This pipe, the one I showed you.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Is about 40 centimeters. Pretty nice, that pipe.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: This pipe about 40 centimeters by Lake Tyson is about. Well, let's take a couple of steps back. Right.
Cristina: Ah, okay.
Jack: Lake Tyson. Chinese lake.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: You know, old people surrounding it, making all the water so refreshing. Dirty look. But we're gonna say it's clear for the sake of the conversation. Clear, beautiful lake. People hanging around it, Tortoise attraction. Oh, my God. People love to come here. Because of the mysterious pipe.
Cristina: Oh, because of the mysterious pipe, I'm assuming.
Jack: I don't know. But this pipe in Lake Tyson. Well, Lake Tyson has three caves. And out of the three caves in Lake Tyson, two of the caves are collapsed. I'm sure you've heard something similar before. And out of those two collapsed caves, because there's three, the bigger cave that you can get into is about 18ft in diameter. What a weirdly specific size. And inside the cave there's a roughly 30 by 30 cavity with a tunnel that extends into another 20 by 20 cavity. And then again and then again for a total of four cavities inside of one cave. 30 by 30 and 320 by 20. The first cavity has the big pipe. I just showed you. Opposite side of that big pipe. I just showed you dozens of tinier pipes of different sizes, about 12 to 24 inches centimeters on average.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Weird. In White Mountain, we don't know where the pipes go to. Every cave goes downwards. Too weird. We don't know where the pipes go up. We find other pipes similar, but we don't know where they're going to or from. A lot of times they just dissolve in distance and okay, it's done. Something must have happened and destroyed it. Okay, but In Lake Tyson, 180ft from the mouth of the cave in the water, you can see the pipe continue into the lake, quite deep. Like, how the f*** did you put it down there? Not only that, in the cave, the pipes are opposite sides to each other, but they're all going east to west. In White Mountain, the pipes are also going east to west.
Cristina: What does this mean?
Jack: Both pipes are in Lake Tyson.
Jack: I'm saying this wrong, it's Tosin, but toast to son or something along those lines.
Cristina: What pipes?
Jack: Both pipes. Both different arrangements. The large one and the assortment of little ones.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Now in the cave we see them opposite side of each other. One is to the left and one is to the right. In the lake we see them both stretching off in the same direction. Although in the cave it's not like that. Those pipes were probably crossing the cave at some point. That's the only way they could both keep going in the same direction. They must have both. One of them has been cut off. But this happened. Then again, both of them were cut off. Presumably they all connected to each go not connected to each other, but they all go in the same directions.
Cristina: You have any idea how far these are from each other?
Jack: No. And cross my mind, look at them. They're all going from east to west or west to east, whichever side you want to call the beginning or the end, whatever. But again, it's weird formation.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Exactly the same pipes. One really exactly the same size. 18 inches. Exactly the same size. And again, about 24 to 36 of different sizes, all between 10 and 25.
Cristina: Why is that important?
Jack: All going in the same direction. I don't know what any of it means.
Cristina: We have no pictures of these caves that these both locations have.
Jack: I did, but it was irrelevant. It doesn't give you an information. It. I literally showed you a picture from the cave, but it doesn't matter because you can't tell anything. The second picture is just in the cave. But like, what did you get from that? It's a picture of a pipe. Like I'm telling you, it's. They're all like that. They're so pointless. They're just photos of pipes. What they're for is the baffling part because otherwise it's just a photo of a pipe. So like I can find them for you if you need this thing before. That is the real question. We have 150,000 year old pipes stretching both instances from east to west. In both instances. In both instances there are three caves. And in both instances, two of them are collapsed. In both instances, the bigger cave is exactly the same size and it looks like the smaller ones would have roughly been about the same size. So all of these caves were intentionally made and the chambers inside them, why was the effort to make them look.
Cristina: So natural exactly the same.
Jack: You know what this has?
Cristina: What?
Jack: It has a lot of zoo hypothesis written all over it. Right. Hide the technology in nature and make it look like nature. Put it in places that they can't access. Hide it in places that they wouldn't look and make it look like the things they would normally see. Your pyramid. Oh, well, it can't look like a pyramid. It must look like a hill. Throw some trees on there.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Well, we need lines to transfer power farther and water farther. But these primitive creatures should not see it. They need to evolve naturally. Hide it. All of it needs to be underground. All of it needs to be in walls. It's crossing countries all the way from Egypt all the way into the deepest reaches of the west of the most eastern sides of the Middle east into the neck of Persia. Pipes stretching all the way east to west. Keep that in mind. East to west. That's exactly the line we're looking at.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: We're looking at the Egyptians in the east, I mean, in the west, sending things to the Persians in the east.
Cristina: Who was China working with? Were they original?
Jack: The idea here would be that this line. No, they're not original. Or maybe they were. Maybe that's exactly where they started. But it looks like the development right as infrastructure takes place. I'm sure. Although we haven't found it because technology got better as they moved farther west. I think we could find these pipes not only in Persia, but specifically in Iran, specifically in the Persian Gulf oasis. I believe these pipes are literally the first beginning infrastructure to society from the civilization.
Cristina: Could see people. Yeah, yeah.
Jack: I think maybe they were Asian. I mean, ultimately they're still Asian, even if they're Middle Eastern. That's Asia.
Cristina: Okay. I mean, yeah, I guess.
Jack: But being more exact, they weren't. As far as we knew, they were Middle Eastern, not Oriental. But apparently we might be wrong and they Were probably oriental. And these pipes might have begun in the east and sent things west.
Cristina: If only we can find some of those pipes.
Jack: Or vice versa.
Cristina: Vice versa, yeah.
Jack: As they continued to migrate, they kept building it to send things back to headquarters, which was somewhere in China. Eventually they settle and develop what we know as the Persian Gulf Oasis, AKA the Palace of Alcaraz.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And that becomes hq. But we know they go farther west again and land in Bermuda. When we find them, we think, oh, the Persian Gulf oasis is where you guys began. But when we find them, they are already the most advanced thing, way beyond where we could even imagine being now.
Cristina: Doesn't mean they started.
Jack: Doesn't mean they started there. In fact, based on how intelligent life seems to develop, they definitely didn't. If that's where they were intelligent, they must have started somewhere else and migrated.
Cristina: Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah.
Jack: It's always that way. Things we don't even think about because we don't have the context to think about them. They didn't start where they were. We found them when they were overpowered. Why would they stay where they were?
Cristina: That's true.
Jack: Where did they start? Well, we didn't know that. And we knew Loi was somewhere else. We found Loi because of some pipes that just happened.
Cristina: Some pipes.
Jack: So the theory is, whatever the h*** the Stone of Adam is, we have the instance of him using it, but we don't know the other situations in which he did, which probably had a lot to do with developing their own society. They probably use it to again, made primitive humans. But also, wow, how overpowered this tool I've made. I can do other things with it that don't include life.
Cristina: Okay. Because we don't know how these things were made.
Jack: Yeah. We only know the details that get recorded, and those were for their specific purposes. But that doesn't mean they didn't use it for other stuff.
Cristina: That makes sense. That's interesting. Why would it just be to make.
Jack: People if it's this level of overpowered? If you're bending reality to some degree, why don't we have things we don't already have? Wait, can I move clean water from over here? Over there? Well, make me a thing that could do it.
Cristina: Fossilized trees into a special kind of.
Jack: Fossil using a special kind of resin and special kind of particle that doesn't seem to exist anywhere else in that combination.
Cristina: That's ridiculous.
Jack: Yep. What trees did you use? Yeah, what do you mean? Unless there were never any trees? And the Philosopher's Stone making the pipes made it what it is. There wasn't anything. He's like, make pipes. Boom. That's what it meant, I guess.
Cristina: Like, we don't know.
Jack: So they're literally. No fairy died literally to make it, but the concept is still the same. Although this didn't use fairies, but it's still using. The problem we have is that we. We feel the need to connect fairies to either the trees or Yalda's stone. But the method is really what matters here, right? Yalda figures it out, and that somehow reaches the Elysians, who figure it out, or get taught it, or find it on their doorstep, whatever the f*** the case may be. They then explore with the thing. But the principal idea, even if the tools you're using aren't the same, the principal idea was the fairies. The humans were made by sacrificing the fairies. Making a philosopher's stone out of the fairies led to a stone identical in power to what making a stone out of the humans would make. Anything in Earthrealm would essentially be something that should have been in Elfhame, but is now over here. So the stone that Yalda had and the stone that the Elysians had are indistinguishable because they used the same ingredients. Ah, some s*** we didn't think about before. If the fairies get killed, make the trees, make Earthrealm. Everything in Earthrealm is made from the fairies. A bunch of people dying to make a philosopher's own is no different than killing a bunch of fairies to make a philosopher's own because they're made of the same stuff. Thus the same stone. Yalda couldn't do it without the fairies. Neither could the Elysians. But the Elysians use what? Primitive humans, but doesn't matter. Everything in Earthrealm is made out of the fae. Huh? The stones are identical.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So when he goes ahead and manifests something out of nothing, Boom. Fairy trees seem to be made. But it's because the stone was made out of fairies, even if we're not calling them fairies, because they're trapped in this box.
Cristina: Okay, so it's not really fairy trees.
Jack: It's as fairy trees as it would be as Yalda's stone. It's literally the same thing. You take 20 fairies, break them, make 20 humans. Those are just fairies. It's the Boat of Theseus or whatever. The Ship of Theseus.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: All the same parts deconstructed. You build a different boat. It's the f******. The same boat, I guess.
Cristina: That's weird.
Jack: That's what happens here. The Elysians used all the leftover parts of the boat. As all the parts got replaced, they just ended up there. So they built a boat out of all the spare parts?
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Yalda thought he has the boat. He does. He had the original boat. But also you changed all the parts in the boat. Yes, you have the boat, but so do they. And it's the same boat because you use them to make it, but then you made the program out of them, and the program is just the same code that they're made out of. Yes, and then they went ahead and killed the equal amount to equal the same thing. It's just easier than trying to catch some literal Elfame creatures. But you already did the job. Now I just need to put them in the thing. Thus, we have two Philosopher Stones identically.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: We didn't think of it that way, but anything made within earthrealm is no different than anything that existed before. It's again killing the code in the program.
Cristina: Yes. We still think the Adam and Eve are stones themselves.
Jack: Yes, both of them.
Cristina: Okay, are these the two stones you're talking about, or is that other stone a different stone?
Jack: That's a different stone, but it's indistinguishable from these stones.
Cristina: Okay, let's check in.
Jack: Yeah, it's three stones.
Cristina: Three stones. But also, we might. Santa might have a stone.
Jack: We don't know.
Cristina: We don't know.
Jack: He doesn't seem to need a stone, considering he has a perfect system established.
Cristina: Except I thought he had the story about his necklace.
Jack: I know he does. There's a lot going on with Santa. It's so complicated.
Cristina: It was his human form, for some reason, had the stone even before the magical powers part came.
Jack: Yeah, I think he used. And. Yeah, I think he used it until he didn't need it.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And I don't think that was. How do I put it? He had a weak version of a philosopher's stone, even if his plan was so immaculate that it compensated. Because it doesn't look like he killed anybody to do it. Not in any scale. Again, in theory, you could just make a stone with a lot of blood. It's like making a diamond blood, though. I know, but he had a weak version of when he was so op.
Cristina: Yeah, something's not making sense. I don't know. Okay.
Jack: Like, any stone is overpowered. Yeah, but also, it's possible that Santa's an Elysian at this point. Yes, he's too. He's too overpowered. Dude, anytime we talk about Santa, we're basically talking about some s*** that's equal or more overpowered than the Elysians. And it's like, dude, he had to be.
Cristina: But how much stones do you think there are in total?
Jack: We know factually about three, maybe four.
Cristina: Maybe four.
Jack: But there might be many. It's different scales. We're just thinking really overpowered stones, but that's unlikely. There's probably hundreds of millions of really tiny, crazy crappy ones. Then people just don't want to be consuming adrenochrome all the time. So maybe, you know, this little stone is less powerful than if I drank it. But I don't have to be a fiend and die and become a freaking nature.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: You know.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It makes perfect sense. Some people are like it. No, I need my fix now. Some people like, no, the. That, bro.
Cristina: But is it okay? Because we have all these pipes in China. They don't lead into any houses, though. They're just pipes just around nature for some reason.
Jack: So I answered this already, which is. The ones in White Mountain go into the wall and they cannot be traced because they go downward. So it's unknown where they would turn.
Cristina: But they don't have any idea.
Jack: There's no. We have to break the place and trace the pipe, which would then destroy its value.
Cristina: It's the same with the lake. No possible way.
Jack: No possible way. We see it in the water. If we go really, really deep. Like, we don't know how the f*** they got it down there.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And it's in the cave. But there's no way other than destroying and chasing.
Cristina: Mmm.
Jack: There's no way.
Cristina: Any stories on the lake, though? No secret labs?
Jack: Nope.
Cristina: Monsters?
Jack: Nope.
Cristina: Checked. Okay.
Jack: I give you what I got.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Nothing. Nothing. Nothing.
Cristina: All right.
Jack: So that's what we have. We have, definitely. But I was thinking the same thing, by the way.
Cristina: Labs.
Jack: There's something. There's labs.
Cristina: Better be lambs.
Jack: Yep, Sounds like labs. Sounds like these were formerly labs and then all the stuff was taken away so nobody else could get to it at the end. Including the pipes cut. Because the lake tells us. The lake tells us. They were both going in the same direction at some point.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It's not. These go this way and these go that way. No, they were all. They were just crossing the room. Interesting labs.
Cristina: Ancient labs.
Jack: Ancient labs. Potentially what we're finding anyways. Yeah. That's what we have here for today. Just a bunch of. This is as close to loi as we've gotten, period. It's hard to find anything about this guy. It's loose.
Cristina: There's really nothing.
Jack: It's so loose it's barely anything. Anyways if you guys have any more details in the information I think you guys know you can contact us hit us up on our socials at just convopod on Instagram, on Facebook, on on.
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Jack: Yes and word of mouth tell people we have found caves inside of White Mountain that match Although everybody already knew about this it was more about just talking about the weird instances that match seem to connect Mountain and Lake Tosin both containing the big gong pipes very weird in the same formation both instances.
Cristina: Weird that is weird. This has been the rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.
Jack: Sam.
Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.