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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.
Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.
Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified when second episodes are released.
Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.
Jack: Yes. So be sure to go find somebody, and as usual, thanks for listening. No, that's Michael. Michael. What is his f****** last name? It's my. I don't even know. It's Michael from Vsauce. And as always, thanks for listening. As always, for somebody to listen by endangering them.
Cristina: Yes, that's.
Jack: That's the moral of this show. I'll never tell you anything but endanger somebody and force them to listen to it.
Cristina: Because.
Jack: Because life.
Cristina: Why? What do you get out of it?
Jack: Listeners.
Cristina: Listeners. Yeah.
Jack: Yeah. We definitely have something to gain.
Cristina: But they die immediately. No, they don't.
Jack: No, they don't.
Cristina: Cancer.
Jack: They die slowly.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: They live long enough to tell other.
Cristina: People they can still continue listening to the show.
Jack: Yes. Until they do die a sure. Short, short, short death. Not. I guess, not a short death. A really long death, but a short life.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: I don't know. Is this good? I don't know. It is.
Jack: It's not affecting us.
Cristina: Yeah, well, our listeners could have a very long life and we'd have.
Jack: Why is that our problem, whether they live long or not?
Cristina: It's not. It's just like we're losing listeners eventually when they. When they die. We would have.
Jack: They. It's a trade off. They. The one.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Let's say they tell five people, then we lose one. We made four listeners in the exchange. It's ever growing, so we have to.
Cristina: But why do we have to give them cancer, though?
Jack: Like, we're not giving them cancer. They're getting cancer. There's a difference. I'm not. Like, I'm gonna give you cancer. Like, it's just an unfortunate side effect of listening to the show.
Cristina: Okay, so it doesn't. It's not our fault.
Jack: It's not our fault whatsoever. Yes, it's our fault, but not our intention.
Cristina: But we need them to listen.
Jack: Yeah, we need them to listen because then they can get us more listeners. And as such goes the domino effect.
Cristina: But why do we have to force them to get more listeners?
Jack: We're not Forcing them to get more listeners. We're making them force other people to get more listeners. They have an option to let their children be in danger. I'm not like forcing them to do anything.
Cristina: I guess it's. It's so wrong.
Jack: What, that I'm threatening their families? Yeah, it's totally fine, man.
Cristina: Why?
Jack: How many of them have not listened? And how many children have I harmed? None. They always listen.
Cristina: They always.
Jack: They always listen.
Cristina: This plan always works.
Jack: Always works. 100%, 100% of the time. It's a flawless plan. It's never once planned.
Cristina: But now that you share that news, someone's going to be like, maybe he doesn't kill these people's children. So I'm just gonna.
Jack: Well, no one. That's not. Because everybody's done it. There's no reason for me to kill anybody's child.
Cristina: Yeah, but the person listening doesn't understand that they.
Jack: Why don't they understand? You're assuming our listeners are stupid now.
Cristina: No, just this one listener who's like, I'm just gonna see.
Jack: So they're gonna put their child in danger just to test the waters?
Cristina: Yes. They're the gambling type of person. They're addicted to gambling.
Jack: And they're like, this is the ultimate gamble. I gotta see if I' ma win this one.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Interesting. Interesting. I bet there's people who gamble like that.
Cristina: Whoa. That's pretty risky. But I guess. Well then we'll find out if you mean it or not.
Jack: I do. I do mean it. I will do whatever to get listeners.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: I will go the extra mile.
Cristina: Would you cure the cancer that they're getting?
Jack: I'll do almost anything for listeners.
Cristina: Cuz that's something we could work on, I guess.
Jack: I mean, we have the resources. We have nothing but subhuman power and scientists. We got the freemasons lab.
Cristina: So we got.
Jack: We. We literally have hyper technologically advanced reptilians in imprisoned. And we have cats with magic powers.
Cristina: Magic to cure the cancer.
Jack: We could literally cure the cancer with magic.
Cristina: Why don't we?
Jack: Because then they'd be less committed with the cancer they're all in. They're already. They've already got the cancer. They might as well continue listening. Continue listening and getting other people to listen, lest it be in vain.
Cristina: I guess.
Jack: So like in theory we could just like hey, cat people, tell us how to cure cancer and then we would. But like, it's not helping us to cure cancer. I'd be going particularly out of my way to a different planet.
Cristina: We have Them on a different planet. Mars. Yeah. Okay.
Jack: On Mars from Universe 2.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: We haven't gone back there. I have no idea if that worked out, you know, over there. Yeah, that's done. Planet X destroyed that, right?
Cristina: Yeah, d***. Pretty sure. No, wait, no, we destroyed that.
Jack: We took their Mars.
Cristina: Yeah. We didn't destroy by taking, by stopping planet. I mean the planet X thing that was over here now over there.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we solved ours by taking theirs because we blew up our own Mars to stop the cockroach people.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So kind of problematic over there. We're fine using our nifty technology to save our. We saved our solar system by destroying a different one.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And for sure we might have been the cause of what was gonna destroy our system in the first place, but we, we saved it and that's the important part.
Cristina: Did we have anything to do with that?
Jack: We destroyed. Well, I destroyed original Mars because. Ah, cockroaches.
Cristina: Yes, that happened.
Jack: Which is ironic because I ended up marrying one anyways.
Cristina: Yes, well, you're married now.
Jack: Okay, I've been married. You had that same reaction before.
Cristina: Really?
Jack: Yes, exactly the same way.
Cristina: I thought you were just dating. I don't know.
Jack: Was I just dating? No, I think I'm married to. I think I've been married for a while.
Cristina: Okay, then. How many children do you have? Aren't like roaches? Don't they have many children?
Jack: And she's like a good 12ft tall, so it's like weird.
Cristina: So how many children are there? Does she have no children? It doesn't. That part doesn't work.
Jack: No kids? We. It's impossible for us to breed together.
Cristina: Okay, but if she was a breeding cockroach, how many children would she have?
Jack: I don't know. Many.
Cristina: Many, many, many. It is like that. Like with real roaches or is that not right? Is it just bunnies?
Jack: That I have no idea. Maybe.
Cristina: I feel like it's a bunch.
Jack: Like roaches just have a f*** ton. Yeah, I feel like that's wrong.
Cristina: You think so?
Jack: I think so. I think so. Because think about it, when you see a roach, there aren't like a f*** ton of roaches around there. Usually that only happens when there's something particularly disgusting going on that they start kind of collecting in an area. But when you see one roach, you kind of just see one roach. There isn't like a lot of roaches which goes like. If you see spider, you'll usually see multiple spiders in the same area. There's a spider over here, there's another web over there. There's a spider over there. But like a roach. You'll see one roach in a roam. A whole house and then. Okay, it's gone.
Jack: That's interesting. Right?
Cristina: I don't know. I think it's still.
Jack: They have a bunch and they just like, hide. Like there's one scout.
Cristina: There's this one scout. Yeah. Once you kill him, they know. They know.
Jack: And send the other one out. Yeah, you can go now. You've been promoted because he has died.
Cristina: Yeah. Like in a year from now, you'll be there.
Jack: Interesting. Interesting. And there's a bunch of cockroach people still out there. We destroyed your planet, but they were already exploring space.
Cristina: Oh, crap.
Jack: So there's a bunch of roaches out there. Probably.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Don't get in trouble.
Jack: I mean, they're good. They don't know what happened. They're just. I mean, when they get back home, they're just gonna see us having imprisoned.
Cristina: Exactly.
Jack: Be like these guys. This ain't even ours.
Cristina: Maybe they'll be scared of us, though. Like they won't start a war with.
Jack: Us because they're like, these people destroy all our people and imprison all these other creatures.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Cuz we got. Do we got stuff up there.
Cristina: We got werewolves, we got sea monsters.
Jack: We got sea monsters. We got f******. We got so much s***.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So we got resources for days. On top of the fact that we have somewhere down here on Earth, our quantum computer that can do anything and simulate anything. We have a time machine that can take us not just forward, but back. And in your backyard, there is still a portal that we have completely ignored because we have no idea what to do with that.
Cristina: No. We could send some of these roaches in there or something.
Jack: We need to capture some of these roaches. And I'm not sending my wife in there.
Cristina: No.
Jack: Best bet. Send the reptilian in there. We have all of them enslaved.
Cristina: I feel like the right thing to do is to send a clone. No, not a clone.
Jack: A subhuman.
Cristina: A subhuman.
Jack: Fair enough. Fair enough. So the right thing, Keep the Reptilians. We don't know what they might be useful for.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: But the Chinese pump out sub humans like there's no tomorrow. So we could just send one of them through.
Cristina: Yep.
Jack: Fair enough. I like that plan. And they'll do it without a fight. The reptilian might be like, no, I don't want to. And then it'll be all sad and annoying.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: But the subhuman Will be like, yeah, yeah, this is my job. It's my job. They wouldn't even talk. They'll just nod and walk straight through, just mad, obedient.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh. And then what happens?
Jack: Well, we know nothing happens because Ish jumped straight through and didn't die.
Cristina: I'm pretty sure he died. Are you sure?
Jack: Yeah, he just jumped straight through. You think he died?
Cristina: I don't remember. I feel like there was, like, so many different versions of him jumping in.
Jack: And dying because he also. Yeah, no, there was already. No, it's livable. At least there was already a version over there he tried to kill. It was a mess.
Cristina: There was a version of. But that was before. Was that before or after? Okay.
Jack: I don't know. I know Ish. Some version of Ish lived through the portal.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: That's a fact. We didn't get to explore too long because he was too impulsive. Jumped in and came back and was like, ha. But, like, we know a subhuman won't die just by going through.
Cristina: Yes, okay.
Jack: They might die going farther, but that's a risk I'm willing to take.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And they can come back with information if they don't die.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And if they do die, we'll send two just in case. Between two of them, they can handle whatever killed them.
Cristina: Really? But we wouldn't know. Unless. You think we could just videotape the other side or something?
Jack: Yes, that'd be great.
Cristina: That would be. And then. And then I don't know what we do.
Jack: I don't know. Because we can't move it. It's not like a physical thing we could just grab and walk with. It's just there. Touching it is the other side.
Cristina: That is pretty dangerous.
Jack: It's just floating in your backyard.
Cristina: What do we do with it then? Man, it feels like we should do something with it, though. It's pretty epic.
Jack: I know. We. Okay, we could, in theory, knock down your house.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Build an entire thing around the portal and charge people to go in.
Cristina: We could do that. That sounds very like our zombie island thing.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: That was successful.
Jack: Holy s***. I forgot we had zombie island, which was really successful, but nobody left that island after they got there.
Cristina: Yes. And then we turned it into a toilet paper castle thing.
Jack: Yeah. Where the zombies were kind of protecting us from the virus.
Cristina: Yeah. You forgot about that.
Jack: I forgot about that. We own so many things. The lore of this podcast has gotten.
Cristina: So out of hand because we stole the island from. I think we stole it from you. Or from Dana White. I can't remember.
Jack: Oh, my God. Is this Fight Island?
Cristina: Yeah, I think it was Fight Island.
Jack: I think we stole it. I think we just like built our s*** on his island and then the zombies kind of offed everything that was left. I don't remember how this played out, but yeah, we got Zombie island. I'm pretty sure it was Fight Island.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But then we made a toilet paper castle in the survive. Because the toilet paper, you know, it defends against the. The virus.
Cristina: Yeah, I feel that's right. Yeah.
Jack: This is basically recap episode. Trying to piece together the narrative of our show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because we've done a couple of things, in fact, using the time machine. I remember I went forward in time and saw a version of me that was doing things terrible.
Cristina: Did you?
Jack: Yeah. Like sending people into the future in a touristy kind of way? Yes, the same, I guess the same way that I would be doing with the portal in the first place.
Cristina: Yeah. You think you were making money off of it? No. You were trying to stop the end of the world.
Jack: The cat people who were taking over. That's how we started chasing them to find them in the great Void.
Cristina: Yes. We only found them because there was a version of you who knew about them and was trying to change how much people. I don't know. What was his goal.
Jack: Also, we solved a problem. And I didn't think about this. We can jump anywhere in space now because we know how the pyramids work.
Cristina: Oh, yeah.
Jack: And the cat people in Lake Loch Ness that were being protected by Nessie told us that their people are in the great Void.
Cristina: Oh, yes, we know. We don't know what's in there. But I guess now we know. Now we know we can't actually go in there.
Jack: Except we can, because we can use the pyramids to teleport us straight to the crate void in one clean shot. Just be there one second later. And we know they know the coordinates.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh. So then that has to be another adventure.
Jack: I guess we can actually go kill the cat gods.
Cristina: Why? Why?
Jack: Or capture them, interrogate them for God like things. I don't know. Point is, we can go solve our cat problem.
Cristina: I don't even know if we have a cat problem. I don't know how you're.
Jack: Originally. Originally something resulted in cat people taking over the world.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And what I did was continuously send humans to different points in time from the future of after humanity started declining to counteract the growth of cat people.
Cristina: Yes. With humans. To have sex with humans. Yes.
Jack: Multiply and then overthrow the cat people before they became too strong. Okay, so I stopped the future from being about cat people. I did that. That was me.
Cristina: A version of you.
Jack: A version of me who's dead now or hiding.
Cristina: Hiding.
Jack: I think that one's hiding.
Cristina: Yeah, I think so.
Jack: Also, there were a lot of clones. I'm not even the original person hosting this show. No, neither are you.
Cristina: No, but I think there's way more versions of you out there than there are of me.
Jack: I think they're about the same.
Cristina: Really?
Jack: Yeah, I think they're about the same. I just think the one that was gonna be killed of me ran away. Fair enough. There's one more. There's two of me. There's one of you. Yeah, because one version of me also came back. That same one that is hiding came back to kill Jemaine.
Cristina: Yeah. No, I don't think that was the same you. That's a different you.
Jack: That was a different me.
Cristina: There's three of me that slow you that thought the clone of a clone. Clone of a clone tried to kill.
Jack: You, but couldn't tell the difference between me and Jemaine, who clearly look very different.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And that clone was a one armed. What was the story with that?
Cristina: He's got one arm robot.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Yeah. And we saw him on a billboard.
Jack: We f****** saw this guy in the real world. That's crazy. That's crazy. We just saw him outside.
Cristina: Yep. So he's doing something. He's got a modeling career? I guess so.
Jack: Yeah. That's crazy. Yo, man, man, the retarded clone f***** that up.
Cristina: Why?
Jack: Because wasn't he supposed to kill that guy who was trying to kill who turned. That's the reason that Jermaine was a ghost in the first place.
Cristina: Because he was trying to kill you?
Jack: No, Jermaine was a ghost the whole time. And he was killed by the guy with one arm and one eye, which my clone was supposed to kill but couldn't tell the difference between me and the guy with one arm and one eye, Right?
Cristina: No, the clone is the guy with one arm and one eye.
Jack: Holy crap. What happened to him?
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: Did we not get to the bottom? We never got to the bottom of what happened to my clone.
Cristina: How? Jermaine remembers the killer that killed him. Yeah, the guy had one arm and.
Jack: One eye, which was just my clone.
Cristina: Your clone? Yes. Who thought he was killing you, but he killed Jermaine.
Jack: And then Jermaine became a ghost?
Cristina: Yes. How he happened. How this happened to him, I don't know, maybe it was part of the copy copy process. Messed him up like such a s*****.
Jack: Copy that he had one arm less and one eyeless. And so he got a robot arm. He got a robot arm. I don't understand. I don't understand what happened. But he ended up modeling, which helped out, which is typical. Models are stupid, on average.
Cristina: Oh, and he's probably not trying to kill you anymore. He probably thinks he did the right thing.
Jack: He's too dumb to realize he did something wrong, but. So there are three clones. There's that r***** out there, and there's the one who's hiding, who was supposed to be dead, who was running this before me but didn't get killed, who I believe Jermaine was supposed to kill.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Something like that. He was original living. Jermaine was here to kill somebody.
Cristina: Really?
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: I don't remember that. Okay.
Jack: There's some. Something's happening there. I don't remember that too clearly.
Cristina: Mm. He might have been.
Jack: We simulated a lot of things using the quantum computer.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Trying to simulate consciousness, trying to tell if consciousness affects movement or not. Just running real pressing issue experiments. It's really interesting. I think that's the only thing we've used without just total recklessness.
Cristina: No, and. Wait, the whole two people. We had two people to see the whole test with the. With the ship, with Baan people. That was in the quantum computer.
Jack: I have no idea what you're talking about. There was lack of description and all of that.
Cristina: The thing about the ship where if you remove all the parts. Is it the same ship?
Jack: Oh, the ship of Theseus.
Cristina: Yes, but we did it with people. Was that.
Jack: Did we do that with people?
Cristina: We did it with two people. It was the same person, but twice, I think.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it wasn't the same person twice. It was. That was just a thought experiment without a computer. It was saying, like, if you think the person is still alive, but you don't know they died, to you, that person is living.
Jack: So it goes to show that your thought of something is more effective than the truth of something.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And in the case of the ship, whichever ship you feel is the one you experience it with, which would be the one that's the new one, because to you it was consistent.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: That's real ship. Because that's what you're projecting all your while to the person who shows up late. They see all the panels on the new ship, which is the old ship's parts.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And they're like, that's a ship. I went on. And you're both technically right.
Cristina: Yes. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
Jack: But we did run consciousness. We did have the. We did have two people, but it was in the ship of Theseus thing. It was testing to see whether consciousness would affect a person at all. By putting consciousness in one person and not in the other and then overlapping them. Phase.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So that they move and behave in exactly the same way.
Cristina: What was that in the machine that.
Jack: Was running the machine? Yes.
Cristina: Okay. Yes. That's what I remember. All right.
Jack: Yeah. And then if they ever break symmetry, then the one with consciousness is the one who did it because they were affected by something. Their consciousness affected the body.
Cristina: Yeah. That's a great test.
Jack: Yeah. Yeah. If we could run that in real life, that'd be phenomenal. But we can't. But that's why we have the quantum computer to run these experiments that would otherwise be impossible.
Cristina: Mm. What else have we done? That stuff with Ish. You and him hacking together or I guess, versus each other. I'm not really sure.
Jack: This is a whole other problem. This is when robots are trying to take over the world.
Cristina: That was when robots are trying. I know. He had a robot buddy.
Jack: He had a robot. Yeah.
Cristina: Oh, he hacked one.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: He hacked one.
Jack: One of the Terminator robot things.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And then he had the robot carry him. We had a hack off to see who could hack more.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And he was. He was the better hacke.
Cristina: That's what happened.
Jack: He was the better hacker. That was an interesting time. We've been involved in a couple of wars with the cat people, with the reptilians, with the cockroach people, with the robots.
Cristina: Crazy that the zombies didn't take over. But it's a good thing that we just have them on an island.
Jack: Yeah. We controlled the zombies.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: On the flip side, we also control the lizard people, the cat people. Like, we got pretty. We've got a pretty good grasp on things.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: The power of the Illuminati, right there.
Cristina: Mm. But we don't have control of any most mythical creatures.
Jack: No.
Cristina: Because way too many.
Jack: There's way too many. And it's hard to f*** with them because you got to track them down first.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Just getting the werewolves was not easy.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: That was hard work. It took a lot. We were. We all the invisible. We got more verse in werewolves than f****** Sam and Dean.
Cristina: We had to make some. What was the easiest way to. To lay down on a sunny day or something? On a Wednesday. On a Wednesday. In water. I don't.
Jack: We Needed to find a werewolf footprint that was wet, and then you need to lay down in the puddle.
Cristina: You gotta drink the water, I think.
Jack: Oh, really?
Cristina: Then take a nap. On a Wednesday?
Jack: No, the easier way was the belt, right?
Cristina: Oh, yeah. You just put the belt on, you turn into a werewolf.
Jack: A wolf's belt. A belt made of a wolf, I guess.
Cristina: So like a furry belt.
Jack: Then you're a werewolf, and then you're a werewolf. That's how it goes.
Cristina: It's pretty simple. And then you take it off and you're human again.
Jack: We also found out that werewolves were inherently not a thing to begin with. They became a thing after people spoke of them. Because beforehand it was just Native Americans running around doing ritual things. And somehow between point A, when colonizers showed up and saw people running in the woods that looked like werewolves, and now when we caught a werewolf, they became real. Because originally it was just people.
Cristina: It was just people.
Jack: And we actually found out how that happened, which was adrenochrome.
Cristina: Adrenochrome.
Jack: Adrenochrome created werewolves. Boom.
Cristina: Yes. Because the church somehow.
Jack: Yes. And the church is the colonizers.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Because they brought Christianity over.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So there really wasn't. Wow. We connected those dots pretty nicely. There really wasn't werewolves. Then the colonizers showed up, saw people who were like werewolves, and they're like, we would probably do this for real. Gave them adrenochrome, created werewolves. Some of those werewolves got feral and became other creatures.
Cristina: Yes. Yeah.
Jack: But werewolves were there.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Interesting. And this happened with many things, including the groundhog that tells us how long seasons last. Because that's his power.
Cristina: It's the lame power. He's got the lamest ability.
Jack: It matters to us for whatever reason.
Cristina: Matters to farmers.
Jack: He turned it into a whole career, I guess.
Cristina: I mean, right now it doesn't matter. I'm sure when it did matter, it mattered.
Jack: And now we just honor him because he mattered.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Now it's a respect thing.
Cristina: Yeah, it's respect right now.
Jack: Yeah. It's like you helped us when we needed you most. Now we keep you hooked up until you no longer want to be.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It's a respect thing.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Does that make sense?
Cristina: I think so. The whole it has its own language thing is pretty ridiculous, though.
Jack: I have a theory. What if we take our time machine to Clinton Road, we put it in the woods, and we hit forward. And we hit forward at a slower pace than crazy flying through time. But faster than now or even slower than now in the time bubble that we form nothing is being altered because we create our own time bubble. But if we can still see the outside being altered, would we notice inconsistencies in how space and time shift around us? Right. If we're walking through Clinton Road and things are changing at random because there are time bubbles, then we don't notice because we're in the time bubble that we seamlessly walk through.
Cristina: But if we could take yourself out. Yeah.
Jack: If we could be in our own time bubble, would we see things that random around us changing and shifting because of the time bubbles? Yes, because we removed ourselves from it. We're not being affected.
Cristina: And if it's not time bubbles, we'll see what it is happening.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: If there is something else. Could be a bunch of fairies playing tricks on people. Yeah.
Jack: Because fairies are douchebags.
Cristina: Yeah. So I didn't realize that could be an option too.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: They love doing tricks on people.
Jack: Good. They could. And some of them are powerful enough to make it seem like you've entered some whole other area and s***.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh.
Jack: Could be fairies.
Cristina: Whoa. I didn't even consider that as an option.
Jack: I thought aliens, but aliens could also be an option. Maybe people are just getting kidnapped and they are getting, like. By aliens who control so such advanced technology that they can alter time momentarily and they go into this sort of bubbled universe where they do things to you. They put you back and to you. It's only been a moment. Of course, in some of these instances, it's been hours. Yeah. Some of these instances it has been, like, ridiculously long for the amount of time we feel passed by. So it's like we kind of weren't there for some time.
Cristina: We.
Jack: That is weird. Like, forever. That's some of the most interesting episodes we've had because that was real experiences. And we even called people in. We called Reaper, we called Noona to hear their sides of these stories.
Cristina: Yeah. We're just missing one person side.
Jack: Yep.
Cristina: Who knows if they even remember because it's such a long time ago.
Jack: It was a very long time ago, and it was a very short part of our life, but we all remember it. Everybody we did call remembers it.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And what's weird is the difference in everybody's story. That's crazy.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Everybody had something different happening.
Cristina: Mm. Everyone had a very strange night, but in a very different way. Yes.
Jack: That's. What's the craziest part about that. Those are some of my favorite episodes, man.
Cristina: How else could we explore Clinton Road?
Jack: Definitely with the time machine. We'll Get a new perspective on things.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Alternatively, we could use the quantum computer and simulate all of the wood and see what we see, because we can stop it. Anything at any moment, move around, look at everything.
Cristina: That'd be interesting. Can we see things in the computer? Like, could we put you guys in that?
Jack: Yeah, we can get the computer to simulate us perfectly and just recreate the series of events that we saw.
Cristina: Yeah. Oh, that'd be so crazy.
Jack: Yeah, that's. That's what it's there for. We do whatever the h*** we want.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: I also remember this one time that we simulated a child in the quantum computer who was born not being able to see, not being able to hear, not being able to talk. We just made some horrible human.
Cristina: That is horrible.
Jack: Just so we could see what their thoughts are like. Remember that?
Cristina: I don't. And I don't know. Like, what did we find, though?
Jack: I don't remember.
Cristina: Do you remember? That is a crazy experiment. That seems so wrong because they think.
Jack: There'S nothing that would stop them from thinking their brain is still functional.
Cristina: Yeah, but how do they think if they can't? If they can't, there's no senses.
Jack: Yes. We removed all the senses. But left everything functioning.
Cristina: But left everything functioning.
Jack: Yes, because if we left the tactile sensations, they would think in sensation, like physical touch. If we left scent, they would think in smell. If we left sound, they would think in audible thoughts. Yeah, but we took everything away.
Cristina: Yes. Wow. It's so weird. I feel like I remember something. What are those creepypasta stories that are similar to that, but it's not like a child. It was a person who. They took his senses away from him just to see what would happen. It's. Of course it leads to something creepy.
Jack: Nicki went crazy. Yeah.
Cristina: Yeah. He goes crazy. Then he starts seeing dead people, he says, but they don't believe him. And then I think in the end, he pretty much sees God or something.
Jack: Yes, but this is all happening when they took away his senses. But he could still talk.
Cristina: Yeah, but he could still communicate to them what he.
Jack: Yeah, they took away his sense of touch, of smell, of sound, of sight.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: But he could talk.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And they put this machine to him, and they left him in a room, and little by little, he devolved into madness.
Cristina: Mm. That's pretty crazy.
Jack: I mean, we had a creepypasta episode.
Cristina: We did. I don't think that story was in that creepypasta episode, but that's a creepypasta for sure.
Jack: Yeah. This really cool creep pastas are Cool. I like them.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: The weird f***** up stories.
Cristina: Yeah, it's just fun storytelling. Just campfire storytelling.
Jack: Fun. Yes. It's the Internet's campfire.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And they're so well done. They're way better than campfire stories.
Cristina: Yeah, they are. They're very similar, though. Like. Yeah, the idea is still there. It's very social.
Jack: Yes, yes, yes. The same thing as you. You telling somebody else a thing.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: They're written really well too.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Like, and not just. I don't mean written as in like novelized narration. It's like they're written in a believable way, which is the tool of the Internet. Like, that's how you write something on the Internet to make it scarier.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You write it like, oh, this is.
Cristina: A post on Reddit happening right now.
Jack: Yeah, there was actually some like that.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Like, people being hot. Actually, some of these aren't even like, creepypastas. Some of these are just weird people. Or not weird people. People posting about weird things.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And they'll be log. Of course, some of them are bullshit, but they're following the format of people who are doing it in places that are real. And I'll be like, hey, there's something weird happening in my house. And I'll post every day to keep you updated. And then this troll just drops off the face of the earth one day.
Cristina: Yes. Usually the friend of the person writes the last post to say, oh, whoever died or mysteriously disappeared or something.
Jack: Yes, yes.
Cristina: He left me this last message to give you guys or whatever. Like, what? But it's part of the fun, I guess.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's crazy, right? Yeah, I like all that kind of stuff. That's totally dope.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: We've. We've gone places.
Cristina: We've gone places through the Internet or through this podcast. All of it.
Jack: Both. All of the above.
Cristina: All of the above. All of the Part of the Internet anyway.
Jack: Yeah, but we also have access to all the information in the world, period. Not just the Internet. We got straight access to the Freemason's library. We have all the resources of the Illuminati.
Cristina: That's true, but the Internet is so much more fun.
Jack: Yeah, well, not really. Sometimes we just go and wander out and do things.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Talk to people. We found out what the real Scooby Doo is like. We had conversations. I tracked down this f****** scientist, saw his work. He just came out of nowhere and disappeared into the ether just as fast. This real life mad scientist out there.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: There's a real guy. People in The Scooby Doo episode, you will hear about a real human who makes chimeras. Who makes chimeras? That's just his thing. He will go wherever he could go. That they'll allow him to make chimeras. And he did.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: With China, our buddies who give us sub humans.
Cristina: He meets Scooby Doo.
Jack: He could have.
Cristina: He could have. He could have. Yes. Okay, we.
Jack: We don't know anything for sure.
Cristina: No, we can guess.
Jack: Yeah. And we know that Scooby Doo was just one of the failed attempts at making his cousin.
Cristina: Which guy is he?
Jack: The gray, like, superhero dog?
Cristina: Yeah. Oh, that was. I don't understand. No, that guy's a robot.
Jack: Was he a robot?
Cristina: I don't know. He's, like, a Transformer robot.
Jack: That's weird. And that's one of the most recent revelations, too. Transformers.
Cristina: Transformers. Yes.
Jack: The fact that God not only made people, he made robots.
Cristina: Or there's two different gods.
Jack: Or just two different gods. Fair enough. We are yet to confirm this information.
Cristina: Yeah. What? I'm very. I can't wait to find out the answer. Especially if it's two different gods, because.
Jack: I mean, something made those gods.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: If there's two gods. We got to go further back.
Cristina: Yes. I wonder if the show even goes that far back, though.
Jack: But just give up at some point.
Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. That's so crazy. How did we even get there? I don't know. Somehow through he man.
Jack: He man led to Transformers. It makes sense.
Cristina: It's. I don't know if it makes sense. Does it make sense?
Jack: I don't know.
Cristina: Is this a clear connection?
Jack: I'm sure we could connect it if we wanted to. That's what we do here at the Just Conversation podcast. We connect dots.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: That's our job. That's what we do. We talk about the big pressing issues in the world. We combine all the dots, and it is what it is.
Cristina: We're no different than conspiracy theorists. Don't they do that? They're just connecting dots from different titles of new news titles.
Jack: Yeah, but their dot connecting doesn't inherently make sense. Like, we're trying to ground things. They're just not connecting.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Yeah. We're trying to say this because that. They're just trying to say, this sounds like that.
Cristina: This sounds like that.
Jack: Yeah. Like, I can explain the things we believe with science.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So we. We've. We've been round, and since there's. We even got episodes in which we're just helping people.
Cristina: When do we help people?
Jack: Relationship Advice when we're answering science questions. There was one time that we were just trolling people's answer to complicated paradigm.
Cristina: Yes, recently we helped people convert to Christianity.
Jack: Yes, recently we. We. We jumped on our path towards the light and we tried to bring you guys with us.
Cristina: Yeah, well, yeah, that is. That's so crazy because you can convert someone to it and then convert someone away from it.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, I've mastered the art of doing that. Which then, then brings us to the guests and everything. Right. Like we mentioned germs and we mentioned Ishmael. But like, we've had a multitude of guests on this show. A bunch of interesting people, from musicians to artists, directors, other podcasters. Just a lot going on. Some of them multidisciplinary people.
Cristina: And some of us tried. Some of them tried to convert us.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Two very strange things.
Jack: Like what?
Cristina: Into. I don't know, what's the religion called?
Jack: Oh, the. You're talking about Michael Horn.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: To pull us into the religion of Billy Mayer and his UFO contacts and stuff.
Cristina: Yes. It's very, very interesting.
Jack: Ishmael tried to convince me that he saw h***.
Cristina: Oh, yeah, yeah. You can't disprove him.
Jack: I can't. I can't. I haven't crossed that threshold.
Cristina: That's too crazy. I don't know. We'll see.
Jack: We'll see. He'll be back one day.
Cristina: Yeah, we'll have more stories.
Jack: Actually, he literally has another story about a near death experience. We need to get him back on the show. Oh, like he almost died again.
Cristina: How often does this happen?
Jack: Quite often. And he still thinks it had to do with the llama.
Cristina: No way.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was the one that he didn't have. The llama again.
Cristina: Really? Yeah.
Jack: Which would give way credibility to that llama. Like just really protecting him.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Because the one. The another one time he doesn't have it, boom. Almost dies.
Cristina: Yeah. Maybe he is onto something.
Jack: He got the lucky llama. Interesting little artifact to own.
Cristina: Yes. Man, we have so many different guests. I don't know, there's just so many guests, so many topics, so many.
Jack: Yeah, we're all over the place. Yes, all over the place with it. There's no consistency in anything.
Cristina: No.
Jack: Sometimes our whole episode is fueled by an investigation we're running for the Illuminati. They give us an objective. We do our research and we just share it with you guys and we go do our homework and we go on our mission. We accomplish our mission. We let you guys know everything that happens.
Cristina: Did they give you. The mission to try to get. I forgot the name of the guest, but to get him to kill a baby.
Jack: You're talking about Bran, then.
Cristina: Yes. And the baby shaking.
Jack: The baby shaking.
Cristina: That was pretty intense.
Jack: No, they didn't want me to get him to shake a baby.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: That was just curiosity. Me playing the devil's advocate, which happens with pretty much every guest.
Cristina: And the trolley. He wasn't the only one you've done that with, have you?
Jack: No, with Cliff from Space Skits. I gave him the trolley experiment. But we had a kid, the kid who was starving.
Cristina: Oh, yes. You get him. Oh, my God. Can't die.
Jack: He can't die. And this guy just made his situation ever worse. Yeah, that was a great trolley experiment.
Cristina: Yes. Just making this poor kid's life worse and worse.
Jack: Progressively, like infinitely worse.
Cristina: Because he was trying to be the nice guy. Yep.
Jack: He was trying to not cause problems and as a result made everything 100% worse.
Cristina: That was awesome. Okay.
Jack: We've also, many times, many, many, many times gone down complete thought vortexes with Dave.
Cristina: Yes. But about, like, what, like the Matrix?
Jack: A lot of it. Because the mate, he's so well versed in the Matrix and a lot of, like, everything kind of relates heavily.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: So we end up always going back to that or comparing notes with that.
Cristina: With reality in it.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Mm. He needs to come back. Is he alright?
Jack: He's fine. Thieves lives.
Cristina: He lives life.
Jack: He lives on the ice.
Cristina: Watches movies.
Jack: Watches movies? Yeah.
Cristina: Wasn't there a movie he needed to watch that you were talking to him about? No, he was talking about Supernatural. You think he ever started that journey?
Jack: I have no idea. That's.
Cristina: That's a journey.
Jack: That's a journey, man. 22 episodes, 15 seasons.
Cristina: It's possible.
Jack: That's crazy. Yeah. Who else have we totally gone down weird thought vortexes with? We had Dave, we had Christian. We went through some interesting ones with him. He came an atheist and left a believer.
Cristina: Whoa. And there's Anthony and Ryan.
Jack: Those are such amazing humans. And both trolls.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And I remember one episode where Ryan was trying to troll you. Yeah. He was trying to troll me without realizing. Like, bro, I am not pretending to be a troll.
Cristina: Where did that lead us? I feel like it had to do with tape or something. There was a bow and if you just put the thing.
Jack: Flexial.
Cristina: Flexial. Yes.
Jack: Yeah. Yeah. I don't even know. I know that he was trying to consistently change the topic.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And I was okay with that. And that was bothering him that he was trying to troll and I was following along, which means he had to be able to continue to change the topic without losing himself in thought, which kind of annoyed him because he wanted to lose me in thought. But, like, I don't. This show has no. Yeah, like, this has no direction already, dude.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: What do you. What you. What are you trying to derail?
Cristina: He did not win that battle.
Jack: He did not win the battle.
Cristina: Ah.
Jack: His. He gets an A for effort.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: You know, but it's like, I would need a plan for you to destroy the plan. And like, I don't have a plan.
Cristina: No, but he usually has a plan, I guess.
Jack: Yes. How are you a troll with a plan?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: He comes in thinking, this is what's got to be done. This is how it's got to be done. It's like, I don't care, dude. Whatever goes, it goes.
Cristina: And you won that. What? That was funny.
Jack: Oh, yes. Oh, yes. He can't handle the trolling, man. We had a conversation about cheese. I remember that. Asking how. How he likes cheese. How much cheese do you like, bro? Freestyling on cheese.
Cristina: Yes, the whole conversation about cheese.
Jack: Whole conversation about cheese. Anthony is. He's the gay me.
Cristina: Yes, he is.
Jack: You precise down to like, though just how he thinks, how casual he is, how little f**** he gives. It's awesome.
Cristina: Mm. Does he like cheese?
Jack: I wonder. I should bring Anthony on and have an entire conversation about how much he likes cheese.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And he probably can't eat cheese, cuz b*** sex.
Cristina: What?
Jack: It's problematic. You don't want to have cheese and then have b*** sex.
Cristina: Why?
Jack: Because that's a problem. You don't want to have the poops while you. You. You f****** butts.
Cristina: Is cheese making poops?
Jack: Cheese is making you have a loose poops. Yeah.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Gives people runny poops.
Cristina: Do you like cheese?
Jack: I like cheese. I don't have cheese often, though.
Cristina: If you could, would you have it often?
Jack: I could. I still don't have it often, so no.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Yeah. Yeah. We went into granular detail about the gayest things known to man with Anthony. I should bring Ryan on and ask him the same questions I asked Anthony as though Ryan himself was gay.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh. That's an interesting episode.
Jack: Yeah. I'll just write the questions down on paper after listening to the episode with Anthony. Then I'll ask Ryan those questions.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: My first interview is gonna be with Ryan.
Cristina: Your first interview?
Jack: Yeah. Because it's always open discussion.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: My first interview will be with Ryan and I'm gonna ask him questions as though he's gay.
Cristina: Okay. I love it.
Jack: And there's two episodes with Anthony that we can take questions from.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh. This is so fun. Yes.
Jack: And has Ryan been on three times or two?
Cristina: I feel like two.
Jack: Two. I know. Dave has been on three times or four.
Cristina: He's the most.
Jack: Yeah, he might be cut in five. I'm not sure.
Cristina: Whoa. Anthony twice. Also.
Jack: Anthony twice, Ryan twice. Ishmael three times.
Cristina: Well, we need some of these guests.
Jack: Back, but I also want, like, brand new guests.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: That's what I'm excited about for next year. No repeats. Just all new guests.
Cristina: All new.
Jack: All new guests.
Cristina: All year. All year.
Jack: All year. Everybody's new.
Cristina: Everyone.
Jack: Everyone's new. No repeats.
Cristina: Lame. Okay, that's fine.
Jack: Yeah. Well, then again, no, there could be repeats. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Doesn't matter.
Cristina: Doesn't matter.
Jack: Because there's gonna be at least one new guest per month would be the goal. Repeats could come in no matter when.
Cristina: Oh, yes. We're cha. Okay.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Yes. Things are happening.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's an evolution happening in the works. Thoughts being discussed and whatnot. So that'll be interesting.
Cristina: That will be.
Jack: I hope that plays out accordingly. It's actually why we don't talk about it into Mike, because a bunch of times things change. Consistently.
Cristina: Things definitely change all the time. Yes. We've mentioned so many things that. Yeah.
Jack: Yeah. That's why we don't mention it. Because sometimes we have an idea and we'll, like, throw it away and it's like it never made it on mic, so we don't have to worry.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Since we never talk about it. It's just natural things happening in the background because a lot of it is just free floating thoughts.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So that's the right way. The show is always evolving. Always changing.
Cristina: That's the way it should be.
Jack: That's the way it should be. One format for all of eternity. That sucks.
Cristina: That's boring.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Our show's not boring.
Jack: Our show's not boring. It's also really hard to comprehend. Again, this narrative is crazy.
Cristina: The. Yes, the storyline.
Jack: Yeah, I don't fully comprehend our storyline myself.
Cristina: Yes. This episode, trying to explain it is probably really complicated.
Jack: Yes. Yes, it's really complicated because also some.
Cristina: Of our guests have been in our story, which we already mentioned.
Jack: Ishmael, Jermaine.
Cristina: But also Dave has. And that we didn't mention. But I think he is a clone.
Jack: Yeah, Dave is a clone as well. There's a couple of clones.
Cristina: Yeah. But he also died during this show as well.
Jack: Yes. That's why he's a clone.
Cristina: Yep.
Jack: He was killed early. And then the clone, him is who showed up after a while.
Cristina: Yeah. And it was perfect because his nickname is already clone.
Jack: Yes. Yes, that is perfect. So then he became the actual clone.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That's crazy. There's a. There's a lot going on.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Jermaine's a ghost.
Cristina: He is.
Jack: Ishmael is also clone.
Cristina: He is too.
Jack: There's a lot of clones running around.
Cristina: Is he the clone, though? Because they are.
Jack: We don't know. We actually have no idea what the answer to that question is.
Cristina: The clone.
Jack: They fought each other and won one. We know one of them won. We're just not asking questions.
Cristina: Yes. And I doubt he knows.
Jack: Yeah. Because they both think they're the real one.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So we have an idea. We have an idea.
Cristina: We have no idea. Whoa.
Jack: He might or might not be the clone.
Cristina: There's no way to test that, though, is.
Jack: There's no way to test that they would be genetically identical.
Cristina: Well, all right.
Jack: Well, actually, there is a way to test it.
Cristina: What's that?
Jack: We gotta clone him.
Cristina: How would that help if he ends up flawed?
Jack: Yeah, if he's flawed. If the clone. Clone's clone is flat. Well, if the clone we get is flawed, then that's the clone's clone. Yeah, but if he's a perfect clone, then we cloned the original.
Cristina: Yes, but then the original will look at that clone, decided they need a fight to the death, and then we'll.
Jack: Be in the same situation, so it doesn't even matter.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: All we would have answered is he was the clone. But we'll be left with the same question now. Because we'll be like, I don't know.
Cristina: Yeah, exactly.
Jack: So there's no way to solve that problem.
Cristina: No.
Jack: Ishmael's too impulsive. He's gonna try to kill himself every time on site. Yes, which is exactly what happened. It was no discussion.
Cristina: Like jumping into that hole. No thought doing it.
Jack: Yep. No thought, just straight in.
Cristina: That's why I think it killed him a few times. So I don't know if you were sending in clones. So is he a clone or did he survive?
Jack: I think he was the.
Cristina: And he was jumping back.
Jack: Look, I don't know if he was a clone or not. I know he jumped through.
Cristina: Yeah. And he came back several times, though.
Jack: Yes. Just f****** around, jumping like, haha. Jumping in and out. So I don't know. I don't know. I couldn't that in no way tells us whether he was a clone or not. We just know you can survive on the other side. Yeah, which, thanks to his impulsiveness, we got the answer to.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Meanwhile, we were just trying to get people to come up with clever ways to test.
Cristina: Without going in. Because we have asked other people.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Without going in, how would they test it?
Jack: But Ishmael just hopped through.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And he just proved it's fine.
Cristina: Yeah, that's true.
Jack: So, like, his impulsiveness worked out in our favor.
Cristina: Yes, but if it didn't, then what? I guess we'd continue testing it the way we were.
Jack: Well, no. If he jumped through and died, there's no point.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Then we just know it's too hostile. We just gotta, like, build a cement case around that black hole.
Cristina: Yeah, but now we're gonna start. We're gonna destroy my house so that we could sell tickets to enter it.
Jack: Yes. I don't know where it goes, but you guys are gonna have a wait.
Cristina: Are we doing the clones first? Are we gonna send them out just to make sure it's safe to explore it? Yeah, the sub humans.
Jack: Yes. We'll send subhumans in with cameras attached and stuff.
Cristina: And if it's safe enough, then we'll make a business around it.
Jack: Yes, yes. The same way that I did with Time Machine.
Cristina: All right, perfect.
Jack: Which I killed the other me for the time machine, Right? Is that how that went?
Cristina: I thought you ran away. You think you killed you?
Jack: Well, I was. I guess the plan was to kill me.
Cristina: What?
Jack: But I don't think I did. I'm just saying that the goal was.
Cristina: Okay, then.
Jack: That is because I was sending people with the time machine, and I got a hold of the time machine.
Cristina: Oh, okay. That does make sense. Maybe the other you. The copy of the copy was sent to kill you from the Illuminati because they didn't like what you were doing with the machine.
Jack: But that wasn't me.
Cristina: The other you. Whatever. The one that's in hiding right now.
Jack: Yes, I think that's what happened. Yes. Yes. Yes.
Cristina: And then instead of killing him, he killed Jermaine. Jermaine. Okay.
Jack: But still this. And then went and became a model.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That we later saw on a billboard. Also, it looks nothing like me. It looks like an old white guy. So, like.
Cristina: Yeah, I can.
Jack: I can understand how this clone was confused.
Cristina: Does Jermaine look like an old white guy?
Jack: No, Jermaine just looks like Jermaine. Okay, but we really did see this clone on a billboard.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: That is the Most amazing takeaway. We were f****** around, talking about this thing. Went outside into the real world, and we saw the exact descriptions we were talking about.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: We.
Cristina: Whoa, whoa.
Jack: Another argument for this being the Matrix.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Dave's on to something.
Cristina: Yes. And there was that one time where you and another guest were trying to predict shootings.
Jack: Oh, my God. And we did.
Cristina: Yeah. And then you had a second episode for it. Because.
Jack: Trying to like, you know, disclaimer. We didn't tell him to do it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Because we predicted one of these mass shootings would happen immediately after the other one.
Cristina: Do you remember that guest name?
Jack: That guess was Blake.
Cristina: Blake Weatherly. Yes. Okay. Yeah.
Jack: And me and Blake Weatherly just really use hard information. We sat down and we thought about it. We worked it all in our heads because of a mass shooting that happened. Talked about society and how it affects psychology, and in doing so, we came to the conclusion that, well, because of how it affects psychology, somebody else is gonna see this. And then we're have a copycat killer. No time. The f****** day the episode went up, six hours later, another mass shooting happened.
Cristina: Unrelated.
Jack: Unrelated. In the exact specifications manifesto and everything. It was like, oh, crap, we need like an emergency.
Cristina: And then you recorded the emergency episode.
Jack: Yeah, yeah. It's just like this f*****. We did not tell this guy to do that. Yeah, but it could totally look to people like he heard the episode and then said some s***.
Cristina: Although that's not your fault if he did that. Do that. If he did hear the episode. Is that your fault? No, because it's not like you told him.
Jack: No, we were just over here theorizing and talking about s***. But you know, just to be. Just to be on the safer side.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And to also pat ourselves on the back for getting it right.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: There's a weird, like, well, this is a tragedy. But also we got it right.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So like, win, lose.
Cristina: Yes. Oh, we also predicted something about Jeff Bezos. He did it. I don't remember what it was about.
Jack: I don't either. We predicted a couple of things though, that did turn out true. I was listening to a clip on our Instagram recently of a conversation I was having with. Was I talking to. I don't remember, but I was actually predicting Biden.
Cristina: Biden winning.
Jack: Oh, I was talking to Aaron from a perspective podcast. I was predicting Biden winning without knowing Biden would even run. I knew somebody from the left would win by default. As I said in the clip. And I said that we would immediately start correcting things as a knee jerk reaction instead of thinking about it, which I said in the clip that we should be talking about. We should be electing Trump again so that we have four years to plan rather than elect somebody from the left who's immediately gonna force all the stupid ideas we had as solutions into law.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Which is what's happening.
Cristina: Ah.
Jack: I predicted that. And it's taking place.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: So, yeah. The reality.
Cristina: Yes. You see, we are the best. I don't know. Fortune tellers.
Jack: Yeah. We're really good at our jobs. That's why the Illuminati has us here.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: They don't have anybody else here. Anybody else would lie. Anybody else would bullshit. And the original versions of us weren't doing their jobs too well either.
Cristina: They were fine.
Jack: They were talking too much s*** about the Illuminati, I guess.
Cristina: It wasn't even me. It was you and Dave. I was just there, I guess.
Jack: But you weren't stopping us, I guess. So everybody got killed and here we are, the better versions.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So it is what it is. We're here thanks to their f*** ups. So, like, what's the argument anyways? If you guys want to discover all those things, that's what the Just Conversation podcast is really about. That was the history. That was all the things that we have done for five years.
Cristina: Five years.
Jack: You guys can go and see five years worth of narrative with a story. Adventures, Missions. We've gone on. Yes. Randomness. We've gone on missions for the Illuminati. We've gone on personal expeditions. We have run experiments. We confiscated a quantum computer. We have a time machine. I put people through h***.
Cristina: We.
Jack: All of it. It's all great.
Cristina: All of it's all great. Yeah.
Jack: And if you guys want this kind of stuff you want to find out, you can listen to the show. You can find it pretty much anywhere. You can find it on the official website, greatthoughts.info, or on Apple podcasts or on Spotify or anywhere you get your podcast.
Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. Uscombopod.
Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe and rate the show. And if you feel so inclined, you know, leave us a review.
Cristina: Let someone who might like this show know about it.
Jack: Yes. Word of mouth is the most important thing in the world. And if you know friends who want a lovely, chaotic, random story, you tell them, hey, I got some weird sci fi fantasy like documentary show for you. And you can. You can go.
Cristina: It's got everything.
Jack: It's got a little bit of everything.
Cristina: Even romance.
Jack: It does it literally has romance. There are episodes about relationships.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So, you know, tell them about it. Tell them you want to learn about everything. You want to learn about how your universe works the real way. Here's the Just Conversation podcast where they have conversations about those things.
Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks. Watching for listening.
Jack: Bye.
Cristina: Like, watching someone. Someone accept award for doing something great. That's kind of weird.
Jack: That's pretty weird.
Cristina: Like, they can get that at home. We don't have to watch them all live together.
Jack: I love award ceremonies.
Cristina: It's the weirdest.
Jack: It's so weird. We're there to watch somebody be given a trophy.
Cristina: Yes. It's like. And we do that in school, though. Like, the person who gets the best grades, honor roll the whole year, they're gonna get a little certificate paper on stage.
Jack: Yeah. You know, here's the thing. It programs us to want that movie star moment where we get the trophy on stage, because we've been taught over and over.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: To. You know, you're gonna go on stage. You're gonna do so well. You get to go on stage.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And people are gonna clap and they're gonna be happy for how well you did. And it's like, why do you need that validation?
Cristina: It's important.
Jack: But they're teaching us to want that validation.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: It's important for them that we need that validation.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: I guess that's kind of the programming, isn't it?
Cristina: We're being programmed.
Jack: We're being programmed because then they can control our behavior. We need the validation. And we only get the validation if we do the things that they've put in place. So we have to work to get the promotion. And if we get the promotion, everybody knows because we get promoted on site. This is now we're promoting this guy to do the thing now he's moving up in life. We want to congratulate him for his job well done. And you're like, yeah, I did it. But you're being essentially brainwashed to just follow the line and do the job. And you're gonna get rewarded if you do the job. Exactly. To the T that they told you to do the job.
Cristina: You have to. That's the most important part, that you.
Jack: Do what you're told.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That's some f***** s***. That's crazy brainwashing.
Cristina: Yeah. But it's exactly what's happening in the military.
Jack: And not just the military. I'm talking about everything.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: A celebrity is essentially that.
Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister, with social media managed by Amber Black.
