Rambling 165: Society's Need for Attention
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Is there even a war going on? Did the singularity already happen? Is our technology just an artificial super-intelligence manipulating our every move and controlling society as a whole? The answer to this and numerous other disturbing questions are uncovered in this episode as the duo aims to get to the bottom of some of life’s most pressing issues.
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Topics Discussed
- War Conspiracies
- Bored of Covid
- Addictive Technology
- Singularity Happened
- Chasing Fame
- Need for Attention
- Darwinism
- Standing Out and Blending In
- #MeToo Violates Nature
- Bill Cosby is Evil
- Criminal vs Mental Health Issue
- Understanding Evolution
- Human Extinction
- Everything Based on Everything
- Hitler vs Cosby
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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.
Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.
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Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.
Jack: Yeah. So be sure to pull somebody nice and close and be ready to go on a doozy of the trip. A doozy?
Cristina: A doozy.
Jack: A doozy.
Cristina: Where is it taking them?
Jack: I don't know. I don't even know what a doozy is.
Cristina: I don't know. I.
Jack: A lot of people say it. Does anybody know what the f*** a doozy is, though?
Cristina: Pretty sure that's the real word.
Jack: I don't. I'm not.
Cristina: I know. How do I know you didn't just make that up because you've heard it before? I have heard it. Have I heard it? I don't know.
Jack: That's a doozy. I don't know. Movies and s***. That's a doozy.
Cristina: Okay, maybe. Mm. How many people do you think actually listen to other people? With other people?
Jack: That's an interesting. Probably not many.
Cristina: Not many.
Jack: Like, really, really.
Cristina: Probably really really.
Jack: Probably not many. I think most people listen to this show on their own and thus don't have the antidote for the cancer.
Cristina: What cancer?
Jack: There's no antidote. But, like, they don't bring their lives purpose after catching a cancer for listening to the show.
Cristina: Yeah. They're just living with that cancer.
Jack: They're living with that cancer. It's totally in vain.
Cristina: Yeah. That's so ridiculous.
Jack: I mean, that's their choice.
Cristina: Does it affect the people in universe two? That not two, three, is it?
Jack: No way to know.
Cristina: Do you guys have cancer?
Jack: That's interesting, right? Maybe they do, maybe they don't.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: If anything, I bet the people in our universe do in fact tell people to listen because they're more loyal listeners. While the people in universe three. Which, by the way, universe three is what you meant.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You said universe two, didn't you?
Cristina: Yeah, and then I fixed it to three.
Jack: Oh, you did? Okay. Well, universe three. The people in universe three probably don't.
Cristina: No, probably don't. They don't know.
Jack: Yeah. They think this is a joke.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: I think we're kidding. They're there living in a weird sort of Bubble situation where nothing really happens and they don't know about anything.
Cristina: No.
Jack: And things are kind of sort of similar to over here, but everything is, like, up in the air in a question at all times.
Cristina: Should we be making fun of them? I mean, they are still our listeners. I don't know.
Jack: They are, but it's like, your universe is kind of lame.
Cristina: It is lame.
Jack: Like, okay, right. There's a big crisis over here with Russia and Ukraine. I bet they have a crisis over there with Russia and Ukraine.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: In theory.
Cristina: In theory.
Jack: Right. Like, they don't know. There's somebody who's like, but do we know? I haven't seen the war myself.
Cristina: I. I bet. Yes. I bet there's Twitter drama about that. And. Yeah.
Jack: Like, it's. It's United States propaganda. They just want to give us a reason to go invade Ukraine or whatever. Or to go invade Russia or whatever.
Cristina: Yeah, that's probably happening in those crazy mom groups or whatever.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All that s***. They're f******. Ah, that universe is so weird.
Cristina: Yes, it is.
Jack: Like, all right. Oh, man. They probably. I bet if there is anything happening, they're probably questioning the war. Like, is there a war? There's no war. The media's.
Cristina: And people who do think there's a war, there's people who are like, Russia is on the right. I mean, I guess that's has to be.
Jack: There has to be people who believe, like, there's two sides. It's not like one side's objectively evil.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Otherwise there would be nobody supporting that side.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: The fact that there is a whole other side at all means people think that's the right side.
Cristina: Yeah. So it's almost like Putin's doing that and wrong.
Jack: Yeah. The same way that happens with Hitler sometimes.
Cristina: Yeah, sometimes.
Jack: Sometimes Hitler did nothing wrong. Well, Putin did nothing wrong. Many people believe that. No, what's interesting about this whole conflict is the fact that nobody is at once questioned, ever. The fact that immediately before this conflict really escalated, Biden took all of the soldiers out of Afghanistan and just had a bunch of soldiers ready that he could then establish and put directly around Ukraine in the first place, just in case of s***. And it's like.
Cristina: Should be talking about that.
Jack: People should probably wonder how this absurd.
Cristina: Convenience, like, one month apart.
Jack: Yeah. Like. Like, bro, how.
Cristina: How do you. Where is the conspiracy for this? Dude, there has to be. It has to be us.
Jack: It can't just be us now. D***. We should probably be looking into this.
Cristina: We should be looking into that.
Jack: D***. This is Our job, isn't it?
Cristina: Yeah. F***.
Jack: F***. You don't care about this enough.
Cristina: We will do it. We will. Just not today.
Jack: Yeah, it's not today. This is stupid. This is so.
Cristina: Wow.
Jack: Because we're just being hypocrites.
Cristina: Ah.
Jack: But we. Whatever. Refer to previous episode to see F****** too much war talk. It's like Covid, bro. It's just like, oh, I'm over it already.
Cristina: Yeah, like Covid. I don't know. Does. Do people still talk about COVID Well.
Jack: They do all the time.
Cristina: All the time.
Jack: And now it's war and Covid. For a brief moment, it was Black Lives Matter and Covid. But Black lives don't really matter, apparently, because we just forget about that every time.
Cristina: And so now it's Covid and War.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Hear people talking about COVID though, I.
Jack: Guess it's just so normalized. People just mandates and this. Yeah, they do. They just. It. It's conversations surrounding Covid. We're not directly addressing Covid anymore. We're like, mandates and laws and you're violating my freedoms.
Cristina: Not about, like, COVID deaths.
Jack: Yeah, we're over that. We're like, whatever kills people. Whatever. Not even, like, crazy numbers. We made that part up for a really long time and convinced people, but people saw nobody dying and realized that made no sense. So, yeah, whatever. Covid.
Cristina: Yes. So what's happening with that trucker war in Canada?
Jack: No, they turned on each other, starved each other out. And then the rich people were like, oh, no, we've been. Our hearts have been changed. Because the. The CDC said it was okay, the World Health Organization said it's okay. And it's like, really? Are you sure it wasn't because your food supply got cut off? It. It might be just totally shot in the dark here, but it might be the fact that the people turned on you and decided to cut your supplies off too, that maybe. Maybe that had something to do with it.
Cristina: Yeah. There's so many. It's so crazy. Companies are just losing employees over this.
Jack: Yes. It's so stupid, because they also want to be politically correct, but they're hurting themselves in the process. Yeah, that's so funny to me, because they don't know where to stand anymore. It's gotten kind of shaky. We are. Okay. We're at this point in society where records state that societies usually collapse when they lose values, traditional values. Tradition usually gets lost, and then societies collapse. And the signs that most psychologists and philosophers point at is when we started talking about gender. Okay, that seems to be the beginning of the collapse from most places. Not to say that the discussion around gender and gender identity itself is the cause of anything. It's not. But it seems to be the starting point of every time the collapse of a society begins. It's around that discussion that begins where we lost literally sense of identity in tradition. We lost that tradition entirely. There was him and her and now plethora. So once we lost that, it's okay to lose any kind of value because we literally lost sense of identity. And that's all we are. We're identity. If we don't have any identity, we have nothing.
Cristina: Interesting. What? In every society.
Jack: In every society that's ever collapsed.
Cristina: And it's not specifically that, though.
Jack: It's not. That's not the cause. It just happens to be the easiest target. They usually start with.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It's the same starting point always. So we know we're in the. The fall of society as it is.
Cristina: Mmm. Should we be worried, though?
Jack: It's not. It's gonna happen in the next couple of decades to few centuries, but it's not gonna happen right now.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: Like we got other more prominent s*** on the way. Like the singularity could have already happened. And this could totally be why we're all glued to our phones at all times. Like it could have happened. And we're just being mani. Like somebody made an algorithm that was supposed to get us hooked.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And supposed to learn from us to continue to improve on itself on how to get us hooked. Its purposes get us hooked. But everybody's hooked already.
Cristina: Everyone is hooked.
Jack: So the computers already controlling us. It does anything it needs to to get us more hooked.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It just so happens to be that we love outrage.
Cristina: A lot of people do. Yeah.
Jack: So it will create outrage. But then what's the computer ultimately doing? Right. It has to find a way to get us outraged. But the computer doesn't exist in the external world. It's software.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: So it needs to also get us to such outrage that we start going out and creating outrage so that it gets then fed back into the system so the system can show that new outrage to more people. So it's mastered a way of getting us, you think, to behave in the outside world.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But with our phones and cameras aimed at it.
Jack: So that then it gets fed back into the system and then it shows everybody that thing.
Cristina: And you don't think it's just people doing that? That's the system itself.
Jack: Definitely. People are doing it. But we only think we're choosing to.
Cristina: We're choosing To.
Jack: We believe we're choosing to do it. I believe I went outside and saw somebody fight and then aimed my phone at the fight instead of trying to break it up.
Cristina: Yeah. And.
Jack: And as a result, I recorded it, put it on Instagram or TikTok or Twitter, YouTube or Facebook, wherever it's gonna go.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: It made it into the algorithm. But there's the bigger, greater, more powerful.
Cristina: Algorithm that's gonna put that on top of.
Jack: It's gonna put that on top of everything. Google is a monster that can push anything in any direction and make sure that anything that's moving quickly. Oh, well, any set of combination of words will just link this, regardless of what platform it's on. So platforms don't even really matter. You can find it on Google. It's gonna be at the top of Google no matter what.
Cristina: Yeah. Google will be the first thing. No. I don't know. That's hard. It's all like that.
Jack: They're all like that.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You could say that there's one monster, and these are all different body parts of it.
Cristina: Oh, that's exactly how it would be, though.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Yeah. Wow.
Jack: It's all the same creatures, just. We call Facebook. Oh, it's a different. No, it's running on the same Internet.
Cristina: They all pretty much work the same. They all want the same thing. Yeah. They just.
Jack: To get more interaction.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And if there is no new content, then they don't get more interaction. So they need you to go get more content.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So they've trained you to get content by rewarding you for bringing the content.
Cristina: In with hearts and likes and all that stuff. Yeah.
Jack: Fame. The more content you bring into the machine, the more fame you got. We'll put all the eyes on you.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Oh, you want to be known. You want to be somebody. You want to be important. So I'm. Make sure everybody sees you and you get that dopamine Rush. If you just bring me more content.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Just bring me more. It doesn't have to be good. Bring me anything. Anything. If it's on the outside, just bring it in. I don't care what it is. Anything.
Cristina: I think they'll eventually be paying us. Like in one of those Black Mirror episodes. I think the first one was like that, where they. Well, they weren't just doing that, but there was, like, something like that going on. I feel like in the first Black Mirror episode, I don't know if you remember.
Jack: Elaborate.
Cristina: They were working. Oh, no. They were working to power the Internet, I think. But depending on how famous they Were also. I think they were making money off of that. Like his friend went on a show to sing or something.
Jack: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So they can watch content on their bike. Powering. Creating literal energy.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But they can also go make content if they're interesting enough.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's interesting. That's. Yeah, that's where we're headed.
Cristina: That's where we're heading. Yeah. I guess for not doing something, a normal job, we're doing that.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: There's just two ways to go now, pretty much.
Jack: You're either consuming it or you are it.
Cristina: Or you are it. Yep. And a lot of people want to be it.
Jack: A lot of people want to be it. Because then you're not working. You're not. You're not. You're either the thing powering the machine or you're the thing that's being powered by the machine.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: You want to be what's being powered by the machine. But also that's an illusion. It's the blue pill, red pill scenario. You could be in the blue pill, powering the machine, thinking, oh, yeah, I'm doing my part. This is the safe way to do it. Or you could red pill. Oh, I got out of that life. I'm important now. I know the truth. I'm not just a f****** shill here.
Cristina: But you're doing the same thing that everyone else is doing. You have to watch all the videos like everyone else to see what's popular. And.
Jack: At the end of the day, you're just also feeling the machine, just a different way.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Red pill. Oh, I got out. No, they gave you a pill from within the f****** system. Why would it let you out? Why. Why would the thing that was made, just like the other thing, influence the outside world at all?
Cristina: I don't know. That doesn't make sense.
Jack: No. You need the black pill given to you from outside the f****** system. What's that? Shut the f****** media off and walk away.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: It's the only way to exit the Matrix. Turn it off. There's no. Well, I'm gonna save people from the. No. As long as it's on. You lost.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You have turned the Matrix off. Walk away from the Matrix. But now we're. We're caught.
Cristina: No, like, we gotta let people know we're getting off.
Jack: We got got. We got got.
Cristina: We got got, got, got.
Jack: We've been got. We've been super got. We got so got.
Cristina: By Facebook, by everything. By everything.
Jack: What started with MySpace, but back then it was truly happy.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And Just show yourself off here. Be custom. But then Facebook came around and Facebook was like, I don't like individuality. Let's see race that.
Cristina: Let's erase that.
Jack: How robotic of Facebook. Here's just one basic equal skin for everybody.
Cristina: That's weird. Yes, it is really kind of robotic. And yet everyone was attracted to it because it was the shiny new thing.
Jack: Yes, it's the Sony experience.
Cristina: Yes, it was very modern and yes, it was.
Jack: There you go. Modern is word. There was some ancient kind of rough edges type of thing to MySpace.
Cristina: Yeah, like in MySpace. I don't feel like. Well, I don't remember adding strangers or getting requests from strangers. It felt all family and frenzy kind of thing.
Jack: Oh, you had a lame MySpace life?
Cristina: I guess. And then Facebook though, everyone requested friends with me. I don't know anyone. They're just there.
Jack: No, I didn't know f****** anybody. I had no family, only friends and total strangers.
Cristina: Total stranger.
Jack: I met hella people on MySpace.
Cristina: Oh, wow.
Jack: I don't remember people that I talked to even today.
Cristina: Really?
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: People you met?
Jack: No, never in person. I was never the guy to just, hey, let's go f****** meet over there.
Cristina: Yes. I guess people do that though, also.
Jack: How would I explain anything? Hey, man, what do you do for a living? Well, the guy you knew originally got murdered three times over because he was some kind of a snitch. And so, yeah, I'm now his fourth removed clone. It's hard to explain. And you're probably gonna die because I told you that.
Cristina: But why would you tell them that? Why would you pretend to be you? The first you.
Jack: Why would I.
Cristina: Why would you pretend to be the.
Jack: Because I'm honest.
Cristina: You're honest? You have to tell them.
Jack: I don't have to do s***. I'm honest though.
Cristina: Okay. So if you were gonna tell them to meet up, you have to tell them.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Because of your Honest.
Jack: Cuz I'm honest. That's what they call me. Honest Jack. I've never told a lie.
Cristina: I don't know if I've heard that.
Jack: I'm. I'm the most honest.
Cristina: You're the most honest?
Jack: Yeah. No, here's what's weird, man. Everything followed suit with Facebook. Like, Twitter and Facebook kind of happen simultaneously.
Cristina: Mm. But like, same difference.
Jack: It's the same s***. It's just. Here's f****** robotic.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: We've sucked out the humanity. We've sucked out the. The only thing that it has is. You can't hide.
Cristina: Facebook, Twitter, Twitter. You can't hide from what?
Jack: From people Is public. There's no hiding on Twitter.
Cristina: Oh, everything is public. Oh, the accounts. You can't make them private accounts.
Jack: I mean, you can make a private account, but. Oh, nobody's doing that. And also, it's not too beneficial because there's. The point is all interact. So you can't. If your account is private, you can also not interact.
Cristina: Yeah. Oh, I should know that.
Jack: Yeah. You have to interact with only people who you've let follow you.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: That's the rules of them. Private.
Cristina: And if you need that likes and those. What is it? Retweets.
Jack: Yeah. Because hashtag, hashtag, hashtag. Yeah. Throw 60,000 hashtags because I'm here too, guys.
Cristina: Yes. That's crazy. They still have that thing where you can only write a sentence in each post.
Jack: I guess. Here's another thing that's interesting. All these things capitalize on our need for attention.
Cristina: That's. That at the end of the day. Yes. That's what we need.
Jack: Yeah. It knows that there was an entire generation of children that were just given technology and ignored by their parents.
Cristina: Yes. Starting with TVs.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: The kids in front of the TV. I guess even before that there was the kids with the books.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Like it's. It's always something. The kids with the video games and all the parents.
Jack: Capitalism capitalizes on people's needs for attention.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: That's all it is. Capitalism capital. Cuz what's clothing if not. Well, I'm trying to follow the current fashion trends.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But why? Unless you're looking for that attention.
Cristina: Yes. Or getting the best shoes or whatever. Yeah.
Jack: People will recognize what I have.
Jack: Why do you want a super nice car if nobody thinks it's nice? And everybody were like, oh, that's disgusting. You wouldn't buy it.
Cristina: No, I guess not. What?
Jack: Exactly. Nobody's like, wow, Lamborghini. I want a Lamborghini. While everybody's like, Lamborghini looks like s***. The rest of the world agrees. There's nobody who's like, oh, yeah, I wanna. I'm a Billy. I'm gonna drive a Lamborghini. The worst looking car in the world. No. Everybody said Lamborghini is beautiful.
Cristina: So everyone wants.
Jack: Everybody wants Lamborghini.
Cristina: They're not that beautiful, but whatever. Yes. They're great. So that's just us needing attention.
Jack: Just needing attention. Everything is capitalizing on the need for attention.
Cristina: That's crazy. What? Yes.
Jack: Interesting, because it's counterintuitive to survival. Like instinct would need us to blend in for survival sake.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So why is there this drive that seems to be, now that I think about it, granularly, like, engraved into our instincts and DNA almost where we're always looking for the attention. But that doesn't make any sense. That's a real paradox.
Cristina: But we like winning prizes. I don't know. That's weird. But, yes, it's like winning prizes. It's like something if. Something about being special. I guess that's a human thing too, though. You want to be special for some reason.
Jack: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Well, that doesn't even. That's part of a bigger conundrum. Okay. So instinct says blend in and go unnoticed. That's survival.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Give me the attention. I need, all the things that everybody else wants so that people are happy that I have it, and they want to be around me and they'll notice me. They'll notice me. I'll get the attention. I'll be like everybody else. But also I want to win the stuff. I want to be the only one who wins the stuff.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So you want to blend in, stand out, and be like everybody else simultaneously.
Cristina: What's that about?
Jack: Always how.
Cristina: That doesn't make sense.
Jack: That's an interesting paradox we've got going on there.
Cristina: Mm. But where do we get that from?
Jack: I know where we get the need to blend in.
Cristina: To blend in, That's. Yeah. But to stand out.
Jack: To stand out. That's. This particularly dangerous.
Cristina: Then again. No, I guess that does come into play when it comes to looking for partners. That type of thing. The sexual drive.
Jack: Interesting. Okay, we're getting some. Oh, yes.
Cristina: Because you have to stand out usually. Or I'm pretty sure in every animal kingdom type thing, you got to stand out some way.
Jack: So this is all Darwinian bullshit.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: There's no fighting it. Basically. This is all Darwinian bullshit because. Yeah, you're totally right. It's like doing the dance.
Cristina: It's like. Yes. The bird doing.
Jack: I got the best dance. So now you want to get bird f*****.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And it's like, okay, that makes sense. He's trying to stand out. But also, you travel in flocks because it's safer.
Cristina: Yes. They. Yeah. Birds do both. Humans do both.
Jack: Humans do both. They want to stand out and they want to blend in.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Simultaneously. But that still leaves one thing out of the equation.
Cristina: What's that?
Jack: Which is following these trends because to stand out, to be the winner, to succeed, that's all about the mating call. To blend in, to disappear into plain sight, to be unnoticed amongst a crowd of those identical to you, that is about survival. So what is this need for attention by blending in? That's a weird middle ground of these two points. Well, Jordans are popular.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: There are people who can't afford Jordans. I want Jordans. Okay. But that's not even the best anything. You just. You want Jordans because they want Jordans. Yeah, I want Jordans because they want Jordans. But you would want something better than Jordans. In fact, you wouldn't want Jordans. You want something nobody else has. If you were just trying to stand.
Cristina: Out exclusively, but then for the sexual, that wouldn't work. Because you want the person you're trying to attract to notice what you have to. If you get something out. So out outside of the box, like, they wouldn't got you.
Jack: Yes. You're totally right.
Cristina: Wouldn't care.
Jack: It needs to make sense.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: To the person you're doing the dance for.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: If they don't know what the f*** you're doing, they're like, he's having a seizure.
Cristina: Yes. That's why you need that Lambo, because they know Lambo. They might not know anything about it.
Jack: But they know Lambo. Yeah. Yeah, they know Lambo. Nice car. Everybody thinks nice car.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Yeah. Okay. So there's really just two things. It's not three.
Cristina: It's two things. Yeah.
Jack: It's the need to blend in and the need to stand out. Simultaneously.
Cristina: Yes, simultaneously. Wow. Yep.
Jack: Weird problem that we have in society. We need to blend in and we need to stand out.
Cristina: And the Internet gives that to us. It gives us both.
Jack: Yes. Because by blending in, we're watching.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: We are another consumer like the rest of them.
Cristina: Yes. Or we're competing in the same challenges. Or we're doing the same dance.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: But stand out is like, we got the most likes in those things.
Jack: Oh, yes. Oh, yes. I did the same thing, but I'm the one who became famous from it.
Cristina: Yeah. I got the most watch. I got the most likes. I got the most comments, whatever it is that makes you happy.
Jack: That's fascinating. Our psychology is so f***** up.
Cristina: Yes. We're animals.
Jack: We are. We a hundred percent are. We're definitely animals. And we're definitely brainwashed by our just society as a whole. But it is survival tactics. This is just needing to meet.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: I want to stick my d*** in something.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Or I want something's d*** stuck in me.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And see, there are. Yeah. Either or. And also, I want to go unnoticed as it's happening.
Cristina: As it's happening. What?
Jack: Yeah, I want to get plowed. Because reproduction.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But also my child got to survive. I can't just be standing out.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So we got it. It's a balancing act.
Cristina: It is.
Jack: It's about weaving in and out.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You want to be out the second the mating partner looks. And in the moment the predator does.
Cristina: In.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: You want to stand out of the crowd. Oh, that's. Yes. Got it. Nailed it. That's it right there. What the type of. So we have to always be within the crowd.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: That's point one. We have to be inside the crowd. We're never really exiting the crowd. That's why we want to make it inside the crowd. Because if the predator comes by, you know, eat something on the outside. I want to be towards the center.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And so everybody knows I gotta stand out only from us. But I gotta look the same to anything that's not us.
Cristina: That will make you in the center of the crowd. Maybe. Right.
Jack: The closer to the center of the crowd you are, the more literally everything revolves around you.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And the more focal point you are.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: But you're safe from the creatures outside. Noticeable from the creatures inside the crowd. That's the goal. Simultaneous. It sounds crazy until you think of it under that light. So there is a cat. And the cat is out there. And we are a bunch of goat f****** s***. Ton of goat.
Cristina: We're a goat. F***.
Jack: Ton of goat.
Cristina: Now you're a goat.
Jack: We're go. We're all goats. I'm a goat. You're a goat. He's a goat. She's a goat. We're all go, tay.
Cristina: All right.
Jack: But there's a cat. And we know there's a cat. That cat's gonna pick somebody the f*** out. Now the goal is simple. My horns. I'm a male. Go. Ooh. I got a. My horns gotta look nice. You want my horns? She wants my horns. That b**** over there wants my horns. All the b****** want my horns.
Jack: Because I keep sharpening my horns. Now I just look like a f****** goat to the cat.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: You know, I just look like a f****** goat. But I know that you can tell horns. So I'm just gonna do the thing that I know. You know, I'm gonna sharpen the horns. I'm gonna get the Jordans.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Cuz I know you know what the Jordans are. I know the f****** goat knows horns. The goat's looking for the best horns. Oh, that goat has some nice horns. I'm gonna let that. That f******.
Cristina: That goats gonna stick it the goats really doing that? It's gonna get its willy wet, I'm assuming. Yes. Right? The biggest horns.
Jack: F******.
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: I'm guessing. Yeah, but like, yeah, it could be. Hey, I could totally hit that on the head. I don't f****** know. But the goal is I am an overpowered goat with great horns. It might not be the best goat, but look, you can tell my horns are nice. And you like nice horns. Yes, because you were told nice horns means I can defend you from those cats. From those cats.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: At least a little. At least enough for you to protect our babies.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But also, I might survive more.
Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.
Jack: Because everybody's gonna focus around me. Ooh. Cuz I got nice horns.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: They won't look at my horns.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: They're circling us. Who? Our whole family is protected by the whole horde, by the whole herd.
Cristina: Because of your horns.
Jack: Because my horns. Yeah, but what if I lead the pack? Oh. Oh. I still blend in to the cat. You can't tell who the f*** I am. No, but you guys know I lead the pack. Ooh.
Cristina: Ooh.
Jack: All the b****** want this pack leading horn f****** goat.
Cristina: Well, I guess the cat would notice. The cat's gonna go after the smallest looking. Don't they usually look for s*** on the outside? Yeah.
Jack: Cat is not gonna work its way towards the center. No, he's gonna pick out whatever f****** stragglers on the outside. You want to be on the outside. You want the attention, which means you. Attention means everything surrounds you. All the b****** want you. They.
Cristina: So you better take care of those horns.
Jack: Here's the other problem. And I guess this is the man's psychology ultimately as well. If I got the nice horns and all the women are surrounding me, and a cat attacked woman's more likely to die. They're surrounding me. Those horns made a human shield.
Cristina: Made a human goat shield. Huh?
Jack: See how that works? Very guy thing to do. Well, I'm gonna get into a position of power.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And then the second harm comes my way, I'm throwing that b**** under the bus. Oh, s***. Nature women. That means that the me too movement is totally unjustified. Because why? It's nature.
Cristina: It's nature.
Jack: It's survival. It's instinct. Meaning Bill Cosby did nothing wrong.
Cristina: What?
Jack: This. That crazy? He's the only one we can factually be like, that's a f****** monster. Without it, we couldn't cast doubt on that case in the f******. In his wildest dreams.
Cristina: Nah, that's a scary case.
Jack: Yeah, there's no way to cast out on that. Like, realistically. Realistically. Yo, it's. I can cast doubt on Hitler, bro. It's harder to cast doubt on Bill Cosby than Hitler. Than Hitler. Oh, s***. I don't know, because Bill Cosby didn't wake up and was like, I'm doing the right thing. Like, there's no way you had that thought. Hitler had more ability to have that thought in his circumstance, thinking, well, this is the right move for these people.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: My people have to survive, and we're gonna figure it out. Versus I'm a drug, a b****. It's like, holy f***, bro. How are you wor.
Cristina: I wonder what his excuse. Like, I'm so old, I can't tell which is the medicine or whatever. Like, what I'm putting in these drinks. It's just accident. Oops.
Jack: Yeah, my. My erection pill slipped, and I dropped a roofie in her drink.
Cristina: Oops. Like, is that his excuse? What?
Jack: Dude, I don't know. It's crazy. I can sooner cast out on Hitler than Bill Cosby.
Cristina: That is crazy.
Jack: That is crazy. And look, people want to decide what it will Cosby at the beginning because it's just another black guy being screwed.
Cristina: In a very rich and famous one.
Jack: Very rich and famous one. If he fits a suit of just being a target.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: But also, d***, bro, that's the one we can't defend. Not even a little.
Cristina: No.
Jack: That's kind of a monster. He's up there with R. Kelly.
Cristina: That's.
Jack: No, we. No. No.
Cristina: I don't know. No, they're both monsters.
Jack: We can cast more doubt on or we can cast doubt on R. Kelly.
Cristina: Really?
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Oh. Because their parents let them wonder.
Jack: Parents let them two. We drew the line. And some people have sexual preference. Maybe it's not a criminal problem as much as it is a psychology problem. And he needs mental help. Because if we're saying this is wrong and you shouldn't do it and he has an urge that he can't control, then is he the culprit or the victim?
Cristina: Oh, my God.
Jack: You see how that goes? Oh, I can cast doubt on f****** anything, bro. We talk about all this. It's impossible. Because we do. That's an interesting case, though, because we do do this mental health thing where we're like, you know, mental health matters, and we got to take care of people's mental health, but unless they murder. No, he didn't murder anybody.
Cristina: I know, but they also don't like it when mental health people murder people. Yeah.
Jack: No. 100% you're totally right. And that's not fair.
Cristina: That's not fair.
Jack: Because if it's genuinely a mental health.
Cristina: Problem, we shouldn't be taken care of.
Jack: Then they should be taken care of and they shouldn't be punished for something out of control.
Cristina: Yeah, Yeah.
Jack: I am on the side. Oh, God. This sentence. I am on the side of helping the pedophiles not f****** rape children. Don't help the pedophiles. Get the kids. Help them deal with the thing. And the problem is discerning person who doesn't give a f*** and is fully lucid from somebody who can genuinely not think straight because of the urge.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: If we can somehow figure out how to split that and be like, this a******'s a f****** monster. He knows he probably shouldn't be doing this and he just doesn't care. He just. He's using mental health as an excuse.
Cristina: Just be able to figure that out if a person was kidding or not.
Jack: No, because there's no. A psychologist is a scientist. And all science is estimate. You're trying your best.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Nothing is. Everything is a theory. There's no fact. There's no fact.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: There's the theory of things, but there's no fact. And that leads to some pretty mucky waters because if we lean in the favor of. It's all mental illness. But what about the guys who are totally fine, we give. Gave them a free pass to f****** rape people, you know, that's f*****.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So we can't just blanket say it's mental health because we let a lot of people go and do, like priests, bro. How do you position yourself so tactically? You're a f****** monster. That's not mental health. You had tactics.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: This was thought out. You didn't just have an urge, couldn't control and f*** the kid. No. You decided in a job that would tactically place you with children in order to better f*** kids.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That's f***** up.
Cristina: Very different.
Jack: And you also kind of knew that they would cover for you. Mm You. That's. That's all premeditated.
Cristina: How would you know that, though? Like, how many priests were doing that before the norm? I don't know, like a priest decided, yeah, that's the place for me. Or not a priest. A person who decides I'm gonna be a priest because of that. Like, how is that even known? Or is it just coincidence that these priests do this? Not quite into, like, I'm assuming they don't know each other, these priests that are doing this.
Jack: No, but it Makes sense as a position that is protected at all times because people hold religion so sacred that, you know, that you can almost do anything. But because people are more scared to question their faith.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You probably get a free pass.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: It's a synosis.
Cristina: Hypnosis.
Jack: Yeah. You're using their mind, knowing they are more scared of a genie in the sky than they are of you raping their children. Okay, so it makes sense that at least the majority of those cases are not a mental health problem. Those are f****** pieces of s***.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But when we go to this song about the guy singing about I like little girls or whatever f*** he's singing about, he's not singing about f****** little girls.
Cristina: No, he's talking about his problem.
Jack: His problem. He's actively saying he doesn't f*** little girls, but I have a problem. I have this urge that never goes away to f*** little girls.
Cristina: He does not say that literally in those words.
Jack: But that's the ultimate point of the song.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And in his case, that's a mental health problem.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: He's a guy who's saying, well, I wish I didn't. It sucks to want this because I know I will be ostracized, imprisoned and ridiculed and hated by the world, so I can't do what I like.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Which is a sexual preference. At the end of the day, it is. And that leads us into muckier grounds. Right. Because then we have to say, well, not all sexual preferences are valid. Ooh, now we've entered it. There's some many sexual preferences that aren't valid. Oh, no, but everybody's. No, cuz f****** kids is a sexual preference. So you got, you know, there's a line.
Cristina: There is a line.
Jack: There's a line.
Cristina: There's definitely a line. Because if you think about, like, people who are into animals.
Jack: Yeah, there are lines.
Cristina: There are lines.
Jack: Not every sexual preference is valid, which means there are incorrect sexualities.
Cristina: Mmm.
Jack: Ooh. Ooh. All sexuality is fine. Then be okay with pedos, f*****.
Cristina: No, that's tough.
Jack: But then we. We drew the line. We made the lineup.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So saying f****** kids is wrong is about the same as saying f****** a guy is wrong because we made that up too.
Cristina: Yes, this problem, that is a problem.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: But it's wrong.
Jack: Well, we're raised in a culture in which is wrong. And it's highly disturbing to at least those of us conditioned into the culture. Yeah, but there are people who are just disconnected enough or something happened that rewired them just enough to make that okay.
Cristina: Mm. So like if the more people rewired that way it become more okay or something like.
Jack: Yeah, actually. Yeah. That is literally how it works. Majority rules.
Cristina: Whatever.
Jack: Is the majority is the norm and everything else is what's strange.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So if we said more than 50% of the population that it was alright to f*** little girls. Well, I guess little boy, little kids f*** children. Then it would sway law and everything.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And it would just be all right to f*** kids. We would stop giving a f***.
Cristina: That's crazy.
Jack: But it would just be normal at that point too. Like by definition.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: We would just be like, oh, whatever, f****** kid. Yeah, everybody does it.
Cristina: We don't live there.
Jack: No. We live in the one where that s***'s wrong. Yes, well, but it is totally like a coin flip. It's just by mere chance that we're.
Cristina: In a society that doesn't.
Jack: Yeah, 100%. We could have ended up making a law or not making laws that supported the concepts of children had that not happened in the 1860s. Where would we be right now? Many people have parents that were 12 years old when they had their first child. This is a reality of the world. This is some s*** that was happening. Yeah. They were grown men, 40 year olds, married to 12 year olds.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Society was normal. That was normal in society.
Cristina: So was it ever normal with animals, though?
Jack: That's a weird one.
Cristina: That's a weird one.
Jack: It's a f***** one.
Cristina: Yes. There's other messed up ones, but that one is sticking out. But it's not true. It's just. It just sounds horrible.
Jack: Yeah. Because also how do we. But then we don't give in the same world where f****** children is fine. F****** an animal, I guess in theory is fine too, because how do. In both cases, how do we prove consent?
Cristina: I guess that's the problem. I guess we have to at least agree. Maybe that's the line.
Jack: That's the line. But then where do we decide the consent is of lucid mind.
Jack: Right. So, okay, we get. We can. Animals don't speak English. Fine. We chalk off all animals because we said consent. We have to verify consent. Factually.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: We have to interpret a f****** animal.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: What about a kid who can talk and says yes, please?
Cristina: Yes, that's a problem. I don't know. We have a problem.
Jack: Right. Because consent can't be the line. Because there needs to. There needs to be more on this side of the line than just stopping people from f****** kids. We have laws and s***, but the kids aren't taken into Account from their point of view. How do we just. How do we say somebody is. Because we know there's kids who are more mature than other kids.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Okay. How do we. And this is the f****** case of individuality. Right? This is where that breaks down hard. Because you have to sacrifice individuality for this. To generalize and say, well, by vast majority, around this point, it seems like it's the right time.
Cristina: Yeah. I mean, that's what we do.
Jack: Yeah, that's what we do. That's the right move.
Cristina: It's the best move.
Jack: Because how are we gonna distinguish one child from the other? The level of maturity, their capacity, their understand, understanding of what's going on. How this is going to impact them.
Cristina: I don't know. We make new jobs for people that way, though. If we have people to evaluate everyone.
Jack: Yeah, man. We just need. We need a lot of mental health care.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But also, look, I think where we got it is right. Where we got it is right. It's like. It's not right. I wouldn't say it's right. It could be. It could be younger. It could be older. I don't f****** know. But we have something. Yeah, we have something. Better than nothing.
Cristina: Yes. It's good enough for the moment, but.
Jack: Then we don't stop s*** like churches, huh? We give them the pass. At least in the United States we do.
Cristina: I don't know about that one. I don't know. That's not right.
Jack: It's weird, right?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Because we know they're f****** doing it.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: But we let them because, well, God. God? What God? God wants your children f***** by grown man. Dude. There's no f****** way. Come on.
Cristina: I don't know. We should cancel some of the religions. I don't know.
Jack: Yeah, I think Catholicism has run its course. On the flip side, we're in a transition period.
Cristina: What do you mean?
Jack: Well, first everything happens to be philosophy. Then it is the science, and then it is the religion. Everything goes through those same three stages. So there's a bunch of people sat down as, like, philosophizing. Where did everything come from?
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And somebody said, well, maybe somebody made us, because it looks like there's too much order for it to be random chance. Then enough people believe it for long enough. Well, this is science. Now we're explaining how origin happened.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And we're gonna teach this to everybody so we can see everybody's feedback about how origin happened. And we're gonna build the biggest, most intricate, most comprehensive picture we can about how origin happened. And then. Okay. What's the next step? Well, we're gonna put laws around that. Okay, great, great. Laws. Laws are everywhere. So I guess it's philosophy, then science, then politics, then religion. Because then we build laws around this. So we have laws literally built around religions. That happened for many, many years. Laws built around religion. We're gonna force this on the people. But then it surpasses just law and enters a realm of belief. It's been around so long, we don't know where it came from. We don't know how it got to where it is. This is passed down from the gods.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Divinity passes over so that we're. That same thing is happening right now with the new one, which is. We're literally calling it science. But physics is where it's at. Right. So general relativity and s*** like that. And so general relativity began as philosophy. Well, what's the nature of order? Got you. Okay. Went through philosophy. Well, we're gonna. We need to calculate it. Science entered.
Cristina: Where's the law part?
Jack: Well, then we're trying to use this to dictate that religion, the old things no longer apply. We can tell that with relativity and with physics and with all that that breeds in chemistry and biology and all the things that came from these same kind of general areas. Well, people are living things, and we can say that people deserve individual rights and that's okay. So we have this whole mentality going on. We're crossing into the. The part people like Neil Degrasse Tyson are already pushing into the point where it's becoming law. Things are becoming law based on the science.
Cristina: Yeah. So.
Jack: Well, we don't agree. We do agree. Okay, well, climate change. We need to f****** laws. Oh, and sexuality. We need to laws. And so a bunch of things are happening surrounding the current state of. Not science. Current state of nature.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: In which we're in the. The political state of it. So we already passed the philosophic state and we passed the science state in which we calculate it. Now we're in the law state. We have all the numbers. We figured the thing out. We have all the numbers. Now we're trying to put laws around those numbers. But eventually we're gonna lose where those laws came from and we're just gonna know that they exist.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: That's religion.
Cristina: That's religion.
Jack: That's how religion happens.
Cristina: Once we lose where it came from.
Jack: We lose the fact that it was philosophy, then science, and then politics. We just know it exists. And we lost all that other s***. That's religion.
Cristina: And we're heading there we're heading into.
Jack: We're. Yes, we're in the political part right now. Yeah, everything is political right now.
Cristina: So much political.
Jack: Yes, but it's all politics based on nature. Before nature was. Well, where do we come from? Maybe something made us. Okay, stage two. Something made us. How do we calculate it? Well, look at the stars. Oh. See the dots? How could they connect? There's a picture up there. Ah, yes. Oh, yes, There's a picture up there. See? Okay. So we need to put laws around these calculations we've made about the fact of order and stuff. And somebody was like, yeah, so order says, this bad, that good. And you can't do anything that's bad. Okay, okay, we can't do anything that's bad. What about the good stuff? Yeah, yeah, do the good stuff. But then eventually. Where the f*** did any s*** come from? I don't f****** know, dude. F****** the goddess, talking about gave it to you. Oh, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Order and s***, right? Yeah, yeah, Ordering s***. Got you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ordering s***.
Cristina: Okay. And what was this? The philosophy of today? I guess.
Jack: The philosophy of today, it always comes back to nature.
Cristina: We're just.
Jack: We're always recalculating nature.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: And so the philosophy was setting. Yeah, it's like as soon as it becomes religion and we forgot where we got it. Well, I don't know where that s*** came from, but we need an answer for where everything came from that we can prove. So we always restart. Yeah, we restart. We go back to what we got to be able to prove it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And so we already went through the philosophy. We went through the calculations. We're in the politics. And when the politics are done in enough distance has been made from the politics, we land right back at religion.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So the current nature explanation of physics and of chemistry and of biology and of string theories, that's gonna be religion. But when that's religion, somebody's gonna be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, great. We don't know where the f*** this s*** came from. And, yeah, it explains whatever the f*** you want to explain, but we need to figure out how nature works, and we need to, like, sit down and really think about this. And somebody's gonna, oh, yeah, yeah. Sit down and think about this. And then we're back to square one, where everything that's nature's explanation now is just religion.
Cristina: Religion. Because we've forgotten.
Jack: Because we forget. We always forget that, well, it was the same road over and over.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Which is weird because f****** technology is abusing that s*** too. How because it's manipulating the fact that we're on this quest to find out the truest truth. We didn't have technology before.
Cristina: No.
Jack: But now we have technology. And technology is feeding into how this narrative is carved, which starts to muddy the waters. This is the first time we have that problem happening. But also we must evolve. And it seems like technology is forcing that on us. We're probably gonna go extinct. And the next version of us is AI it's our baby.
Cristina: It's our baby. It's gonna take over.
Jack: Yeah. It's the next step. We will be, at some point a species of non organics. And it's entirely because us organics have died out.
Cristina: That's pretty cool.
Jack: And it's gonna start with genetic engineering and CRISPR or whatever.
Cristina: People are always so afraid of that. Even though if it is the next step, what's there to be afraid of?
Jack: It's gonna happen so gradually we'll never notice it happened.
Cristina: Yeah. Like whatever we were before. You think they were afraid?
Jack: No, they never thought about it. People are scared thinking about it. Like it's gonna happen overnight. But also, people don't understand evolution.
Cristina: Yeah, I guess because we won't notice.
Jack: No, you gotta understand how stupid people are. People who don't believe in evolution literally say, well, why haven't monkeys evolved anymore? What the f*** kind of retarded question is that? What do you. Of course they're evolving, just not gonna. The f*** do you think they evolve? Like Pokemon.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Now you're a different creature.
Cristina: I don't know. We gave a monkey a stick and expected a transformation.
Jack: Yeah. We're like, well, if it f******. If the monkey gives. Really do evolve. Why aren't they humans yet? Cuz. Cuz we're human.
Cristina: What? Yeah. I don't know.
Jack: Get a time machine. F****** fast forward. You'll see it happen.
Cristina: Yeah, like it's not gonna. It's not gonna be magical.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Everyone's expecting some type of magic.
Jack: These are dumb. People believe religion is still a f****** functional thing. They think there is a God.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Who has created the universe. Which. The best argument for that is Santa Claus.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Like, hands down, that makes sense. Yeah. The best argument for that is Santa Claus, of all things. Nobody's eating that.
Cristina: No, I don't think so. That. He wins.
Jack: He wins by default. There's nothing as overpowered to Santa Claus.
Cristina: We're only here so that we're worried about gifts.
Jack: About gifts. Capitalism is true God. Yes. We're only here so that we're worried about not getting Stuff.
Cristina: Yep. It makes sense. Yeah. Like, why else would he make us?
Jack: And here's the funniest part. Because again, even Christmas comes feeds back into this whole s*** for attention. Right. If my gift is good enough and everybody else likes my gift, I can show off my gift to everybody, and they're like, oh, look how awesome you are.
Cristina: Yes. Yes. It's the same thing.
Jack: So we worry. Yeah, man. Santa Claus, bro. He just a savage. He gets it.
Cristina: And that's why we like our birthdays also, I guess, because.
Jack: Because we're the focal point.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Everybody surrounds us. Nevertheless, it's both things. We stand out, and we're in the.
Cristina: Middle of the crowd, and maybe the people who are giving you gifts are like, oh, mine is going to be the best gift. I guess.
Jack: Yes. Because they're also trying to outdo everybody else.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Because not only do you want everybody's attention.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But they want. They want the same thing. They're using the opportunity the same way. Oh, look how good the. The gift that Bob bought is.
Cristina: Yeah. He's so great.
Jack: Yeah. Bob is. Bob is the best gift giver. You want that reputation.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Bob is the best gift giver.
Cristina: That's me. So.
Jack: Well, you want to show up to a birthday party and have people expect you more than they expect the birthday person. And you want to know, oh, man, I can't wait to see what Bob got Steve.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Bob always gets everybody the best. S***, what's it gonna be this year?
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: It's like, wait, is this Steve's day, or is it Bob's day?
Cristina: It's Bob's day.
Jack: Well, we're gonna come and sing Happy Birthday for Steve, but, oh, boy, what's Bob gonna pop up with? Like, Bob won the game.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Because Bob gets it. I can be the center of attention where I'm not the center of attention.
Cristina: Yeah. It probably works like that for everything. You want to host the party. It's. You want to do the best.
Jack: Yeah. Well, actually, hosting a party is literally surrounding yourself with people.
Cristina: Yes. But you're not just around. You have to, like.
Jack: No, you want to be known as the life of the party, whether or not you hosted the party.
Cristina: So you're competing for that. Okay.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Everything's a competition.
Jack: Everything's a competition. You want to stand out inside of the crowd.
Cristina: Yes. Because it has to be with other people who are participating in what you're doing.
Jack: Yes. Because you can't be doing something that nobody else is doing, because then you stand out too hard, and now you're an angel.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Now, the people who we admire the most are the people who stand out without blending in, because. Wow, that's impressive. I would never do that.
Jack: We look at somebody like Jack White who's just way the f*** out there in the field alone. He's like, come at me, you stupid cats. Just hanging out. Come at me, you stupid cats. I'm out here alone. You don't want to bite me?
Cristina: I don't know. He's singing and he's playing a guitar, and there are other people singing and playing guitars.
Jack: Oh, fair enough.
Cristina: So he might be the best at singing and playing guitar, but he's not doing something unique.
Jack: What about Elon Musk?
Cristina: He's making rockets, but other people make rockets.
Jack: Are other people really making rockets? It seems like kind of everybody else.
Cristina: Rocket maker.
Jack: No, no, no. People literally stopped making. NASA literally stopped making rockets.
Cristina: Other countries are still making rockets because they're still doing other projects. Like China with the moon, I guess.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: NASA was always doing stuff with Mars and rovers and stuff.
Jack: Yeah, I guess you're right.
Cristina: They're small projects. Like, no one pays attention to those projects. But now everyone wants to pay attention because Elon Musk.
Jack: Because here would be the problem. Right. You're totally right. You're totally right. And here's the problem with the logic that I'm proposing. You could, in theory, just do something nobody knows about. But why would anybody give a s***?
Cristina: Do something that nobody knows.
Jack: Okay. Imagine computers didn't already exist when we got a smartphone.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Then what the f*** is this? What's a phone? Yeah, I'm gonna use the call. What's this other s*** it's doing? I don't know. This is just. Stuff happens.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Great. I'm gonna use it for calling then.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: The fact that a computer existed first, like. Yeah, iPhone. Yeah. Super clever. Interesting thing. Wow. It didn't exist before, but just kind of did.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: A million parts.
Cristina: Yeah. Just put all parts together like that. You can't just make something that nothing was even. Even similar to.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because computer.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Well, you. You put the newspaper or the. The science journal.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: On a screen. It's. The thing already existed. You just change how it looks. Yeah, well, Science journal. Well, I just took note of observations instead of just talking to Bob about it. And I can talk to Bob, but Bob can hear the conversation later.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Instead of right now, when I said it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Okay. So conversation delayed. Well, conversation. I need to warn you about the thing in the bush without just pointing. So I'm a scream. Because maybe you're not looking at me. I'm like, oh, s***. Language happened. Because I'm not always looking at you.
Cristina: Exactly.
Jack: But. But you just pointed with your voice.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Like, okay, so pointing. Then that was the first thing. Was pointing at the bushes.
Cristina: The first thing maybe.
Jack: And somebody invented. Over there. Over there.
Cristina: Thing.
Jack: Thing.
Cristina: Ah. Had to be.
Jack: Because something had to come first.
Cristina: Yes. You're trying to figure out what was the first thing.
Jack: And then everything else came from that.
Cristina: Ah, I don't know.
Jack: Well, a car. Well, the wheel happened, and we were on carriages.
Cristina: Electricity.
Jack: Electricity.
Cristina: That's pretty unique.
Jack: Here's the problem with electricity. Right. Electricity is a particularly interesting thing because electricity didn't invent anything. We figured out that there has to be something that could efficientize everything already existing and then use that logic to proceed.
Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty much what it is. Like, yeah. It was lights before electricity, but now we got even cooler lights.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: I had a torch longer.
Jack: How do I turn on the torch without the fire?
Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty much.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cristina: Advanced what was already there.
Jack: Well, a mechanical engine. Torch. But electricity put the electricity in car. Oh, now I don't need the torch inside the car. Now I could just put the electricity. Much safer.
Cristina: Yeah. So everything comes from something.
Jack: Everything is everything.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Right now I'm sitting in front of a microphone.
Cristina: No way.
Jack: This microphone is just conversation. But louder.
Cristina: Yes. Yes, it is.
Jack: How to turn the volume up if my voice doesn't go up higher? Make a thing that makes your voice go higher.
Cristina: Yeah. Like, has there ever been anything invented that wasn't because of other things?
Jack: Yeah. Like, what's the first thing? At best, there had to be one first thing, and then everything else came out of that.
Cristina: So you think the first thing is something that didn't come from anything at all?
Jack: The first thing had to come from nothing? Well, no, no, because you looked at nature.
Cristina: Exactly. So you're still inspired by something.
Jack: Yeah. Okay. A flying machine. Well, I looked at a bird.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And nature did it first, then.
Cristina: Yeah. So there's nothing really original.
Jack: There's nothing original. It's impossible.
Cristina: It's impossible. Yeah.
Jack: D*** Is. Oh, s***.
Cristina: What?
Jack: That's how we cast doubt on Bill Cosby.
Cristina: Why?
Jack: Because he was just. He was innovating, not inventing. That means he saw something happen that we haven't reported on because the rest of us didn't see it happen. And he was like, ah, I see how that works. I'm gonna do that. So what? I mean, we know the Music world in the mute and the like.
Cristina: Obvious. He's not the first person to.
Jack: No.
Cristina: Yeah, you just don't.
Jack: He. We were pointing at him really hard because he got caught.
Cristina: Yes, but he got that idea from something.
Jack: The number of monsters hidden in the dark that are doing that very same. We don't talk about that. That's scary. We just. We just don't address that fact.
Cristina: He just got it from movies.
Jack: Where the movies got it from. Oh, we just don't talk about this. Yes, because like, it came from somewhere and we don't like that. That Phil Cosby wasn't the first. Unless we're gonna say he's a genius.
Cristina: Yeah. He invented.
Jack: He's the smartest man on earth. He made a thing based on nothing.
Cristina: Nah. No, he definitely. No, that doesn't make it any right.
Jack: It doesn't make it any right. But how do we know that in his mind these things didn't click? And he's the victim here because. Well, my mind power. Oh, no. I'm going crazy because I'm too smart for my own good. And drugs. Yes. Wait, what? He's a scientist. He's running experiments.
Jack: And science must move forward. He's running experiments and he's like, what happens if I. Well, I've seen it work. He's like Mythbusters, Right? He's like, do roofies really make women pass out? And so he gives the first one and he's like, well, the next experiment was, do women really get scarred if they get raped while passed. She's unconscious. How would she know? So now, and he's over here with his science notations, taking all the notes. I'm like, okay, now she's raped, but she was unconscious. When she wakes up, I'll tell her nothing happened and I'll cat. I'll be her friend for the next 40 years. I'll take notes and see if her behavior changes. I'm gonna have two girls here. I'm a roofie them both.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: I'm a rape one of them and not the other. They already have to have very similar personalities. And then I'm gonna groom both of them to know what situations are both exposed to at all times so that I know that no outside forces are tampering with my experiment. But for science.
Cristina: But for science.
Jack: But for science. Who knows? Maybe he's the most revolutionary psychologist of all time. Bill Cosby. We should free you. Is that where we are?
Cristina: No, because you're not supposed to do that as a scientist.
Jack: Okay, okay.
Cristina: That's what? You have mouses for 100. Mice. Mouse, mice, mice.
Jack: 100%. You're totally right. So then to all our listeners are f****** trolls. This question doesn't work anyways. Whatever. If you listen this far.
Cristina: What's the question?
Jack: And you want to get some true science done? We're going to test the psychology of the snowflakes of the world, and you just have to pose one question. They can only send one person to prison forever.
Cristina: Our listeners.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Hitler, Putin, or Cosby.
Cristina: What?
Jack: You get one to go away? No, you know what? I'll be generous. I'll be generous. I say two of them got to go, and one of them's got to stay. No, because you're going to let Putin free. No. I don't know. They're gonna choose Putin to be free. I know it. So one of them has to. Oh, you can only arrest one forever. You're gonna remove one problem from the world, but the other two get to live.
Cristina: Hitler's dead. Is he really a good choice?
Jack: He's will revive him for this.
Cristina: Okay, so.
Jack: Okay, here you go.
Cristina: All right.
Jack: That's.
Cristina: That's the question sense, I guess.
Jack: Yes. And for this episode, you need to leave us a Bill Cosby emoji. I'm sure somebody's gonna made it.
Cristina: Find it, or you should put the emoji of whoever you're voting for.
Jack: Oh, interesting.
Cristina: I mean, do you think there's a Putin?
Jack: There's probably a. Put.
Cristina: There's a Putin flag, Russian flag, pill for Rufy. Oh.
Jack: Oh, and the swastika, Is that an emoji? This. Oh, God. There's probably a swastika emoji. Don't put a swastika emoji on it. Don't do that one. Yeah, f*** it. Do that one.
Cristina: Do it.
Jack: Yeah, do it. Do it. Do it. F*** it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cristina: Why not?
Jack: So just vote with your emojis. Yeah, this is perfect.
Cristina: And then something will happen.
Jack: Somebody. We're gonna.
Cristina: We'll do it.
Jack: We'll do it. We'll do it.
Cristina: Well, we got a time machine.
Jack: The problem is we can't actually stop Hitler. There's no way to do that. We've proven that.
Cristina: No, we're just sending him to jail. Like, he can do whatever he needs to do.
Jack: Oh, s***.
Cristina: No one before he kills himself.
Jack: No, we're gonna f*** everything up.
Cristina: Oh, because we can't get him up.
Jack: No, if we do arrest him, then we f*** everything up. We actually can't tamper with Hitler.
Cristina: Why? People will think he's dead. We'll get him the moment he's gonna kill himself. So everyone thinks he's dead.
Jack: He's in jail forever.
Cristina: He's jail for.
Jack: Interesting. Fair enough.
Cristina: Whose life's being changed.
Jack: Fair enough. But doesn't Hitler come forward in time at some point to meet.
Cristina: Oh, crap.
Jack: You see, this is my problem. We can't touch it up him when.
Cristina: He comes forward in time. When he.
Jack: After he's interacted with Trump and he's about to dip again.
Cristina: Yeah, we catch him. We catch him. There you go. Because he was gonna be freed because he saved the world anyway, right?
Jack: Yes. So he goes to prison anyways.
Cristina: So then. Yeah, we'll send him.
Jack: You can. Fair enough.
Cristina: If they vote for him.
Jack: Yeah, fair enough. You can choose to send Hitler to jail regardless.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Of the fact that he saved most of the Earth. Actually, he saved literally the whole planet from the meteor.
Cristina: Yeah. But you can take him to jail.
Jack: You can still take him to jail. We just say. At no point do you get to say, I'm no longer that person to Hitler.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Or you can stop Putin right now. Or you can make sure Cosby doesn't get freed, because if you don't choose him, we will be obligated to free him.
Cristina: He'll just be free.
Jack: He'll be free.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: No punishment. And we'll hand them a bag of Rufus. We're gonna hand Bill Cosby a bag of roofies and be like, you did nothing wrong.
Cristina: Okay. That's horrible.
Jack: Yes. So I guess the ultimate question is, if you have to say, only one of these people did something wrong, which of them did it?
Cristina: Which of them did it?
Jack: I just want to know if people are gonna choose Hitler over Bill Cosby, in which case they believe. Because it's numbers. It's a numbers game, right? Yeah, it's a numbers game. They should all choose Hitler. Not to say that Bill Cosby is not f***** up. Yeah, but, like, if we weighed this, maybe we take the hit.
Cristina: I want to know if you should put on the socials, too.
Jack: I put on Instagram. Twitter is chaos.
Cristina: That's fine.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cristina: People know. You go. We have a just conversation. I mean, not just conversation. Rambling on Instagram. Ye.
Jack: Well, it's under Just Conversation. All of it is under the same blanket. Anyways, if you guys want to know about all this bullshit that we usually talk about and all these conversations usually have, you can find us on all the places you get, you know, podcasts. So you can find us on Apple podcasts and Spotify Stitcher. You can find us on the official website greatthoughts.info you can find Google.
Cristina: Yeah, we never say that enough. Just Google.
Jack: Yeah. We're everywhere.
Cristina: Yeah. And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. UsConvopod.
Jack: Yes. And remember to rate, review, subscribe, all the good stuff. Leave us those emojis. Voting yes.
Cristina: Leave us those emojis. And let someone who might like this show know about it.
Jack: Yes. Word of mouth. Share people. The question we just asked the whole episode, obviously, but they need to come across this question so that they're either completely amused or highly disturbed. And I think at some point throughout this conversation we said there was nothing wrong with pedophilia as well. So that happened at some point.
Cristina: I don't remember that.
Jack: Yeah, I don't think we said there was nothing wrong with it. I think we really just tried to pick apart how we got to it.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And how we decided it was wrong as opposed to saying it's right. I think that's the truth of the matter.
Cristina: I think so. Yeah. Yeah. And this has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.
Jack: Bye. I think it's after you hear the. You get sucked in. The cop was. I remember the cop lady. She was sucked in there. And so was the lady. I don't remember the guy at all.
Cristina: Maybe I'm wrong about the guy. I don't know, because I feel like there was someone also searching the town, but just never nothing weird happened to them.
Jack: But wait, I don't get it. You said he walked into the town, then the road disappeared.
Cristina: No, I guess it wasn't for him. It was for the other two.
Jack: We gotta watch that movie. It's a good movie.
Cristina: Yeah, we watched that piece. Maybe I'm wrong about it, but a.
Jack: Lot of people didn't like that movie.
Cristina: I don't care what people think.
Jack: Yeah, people suck. Yeah, a lot of people don't like.
Cristina: Especially when it comes to horror movies.
Jack: Yeah, they're idiots. They like all the garbage.
Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.