Rambling 212: The Old Equator

What’s on the equator? What’s the significance? Has it always been the same? The duo discovers the equator has moved gradually over time and was once in a different location, now trackable by ancient structures. They deep dive to find the significance of this line circling Earth.

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Topics Discussed:

• The Great Circle
• The Old Equator
• Mysterious Ancient Sites
• Pyramid of Giza Hidden Equations
• Constellations
• Speed of Light
• Signaling to Alien Life
• Comet impact
• Noah’s Flood
• Scientifically Advanced Ancient Civilizations
• The Persian Gulf Oasis

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Ramwin Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas ever fathomed by the human brain.

Cristina: Like what?

Jack: Like stuff. A lot of it. Amazing sums of stuff.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But listen to me. Some of this stuff is amazing stuff. It's not just normal stuff. There's normal stuff. There's actually some kind of lame stuff too.

Cristina: Yeah, there's a lot of variety.

Jack: There's a lot of varieties of stuff. It's. It's the world, it's Earth. There's a lot of stuff, but some of the stuff is really high caliber stuff. And that stuff, that stuff is a bunch of. Are you ready for it?

Cristina: What?

Jack: Old stuff?

Cristina: Okay. What?

Jack: Mm, a lot of old stuff. So let me begin. I was on my road towards investigating some unicorns.

Cristina: Yay.

Jack: You know?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That was the plan. That was the goal. That was the original thought that I began this quest with. And I decided, hey, let's start this search on this path. And I'm sure I, at some point began investigating unicorns. I'm sure that began. I don't know how far I got.

Cristina: Because you straight away, I have no idea.

Jack: Maybe I don't know where I began, where I landed.

Cristina: You don't know how you landed at where you're at?

Jack: Yes, I began at unicorns. I've been trying. I've been trying to retrace my steps. I don't know how I got there, but. But at some point, I come across a single thing. The equator. I'm like, okay, yes, I'm familiar with the equator. Sweet. What equator? I'm like, whoa.

Cristina: How did you get from one to the other?

Jack: Well, okay, no idea. But as I am investigating the equator, or not investigating the equator, but as I come across the equator, what I come across specifically relating to the equator is that it shifts gradually, but at some point it shifted dramatically. And this lines up kind of neatly with a bunch of ancient civilization monuments.

Cristina: I don't understand.

Jack: Neither do I. Okay, so take a look at this image.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That is Earth.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: And that is the new equator. Well, that's the old equator. My bad. The equator, that's new to you. That's your new equator. But that's the old equator. That's if you follow the rotation of the Earth and how it's spun and all whatnot. Far back enough, you Land here.

Cristina: Okay, but that means that the Earth.

Jack: Was also impacted at a random moment by a comet that altered its speed and rotation just enough to tilt it to where it is now. And, and two, there was a string of monuments lining up just along the entire equator, encircling the Earth.

Cristina: The old equator.

Jack: The old equator.

Cristina: Were there people alive back then when it was the old equator?

Jack: Don't know. The people that settled along the old equator are people who were alive before the old equator. I mean, after the old equator long ceased existing. Without the means to find out what the old equator was. What?

Cristina: How's that possible?

Jack: There is in fact a list. They call it the Great Circle. And all these monuments exist along that equator.

Cristina: The one that they were not even aware of, the one they couldn't have known of. Like, I don't understand.

Jack: I don't either. All of these monuments, the Naga Temple, Easter Island, Machu Picchu, the Great Pyramid of Giza, just a bunch of. A bunch of all of it. All of the important things, all the things that are important are along the same line.

Cristina: The line that doesn't actually exist.

Jack: A line that doesn't actually exist. There's no way they knew it existed. They just. They were surrounding a line. But then, just a couple of years ago, a scientist discovers that there was an old equator. You trace far back enough, taking into account the impacts we can track and taking into account the rotation of the Earth, where it is now, where we can track it was thus telling us where it would be in reverse time. I guess you throw all those calculations in and you end up where it's going to be in the past, or where it was, I suppose is what I'm trying to say. Where it was and what you end up with is a line that falls on top of all of these monuments and statues and some our entire civilizations.

Cristina: But these happened after way after.

Jack: We're talking that the old equator is 480 million years ago and that the people who somehow all aligned themselves with it were about the furthest back 12,000 years ago.

Cristina: Okay, but they're not all in the same time either. Right. Where are they? A lot of them are around the same time.

Jack: Now, a lot of these monuments are spread out in age by quite a bit. They're really, really old by huge margins. But a lot of them are also quite recent. And it's like, how did you accomplish.

Cristina: So was it random? Because it's not like they could have talked to each other or anything.

Jack: Or could they have?

Cristina: How?

Jack: Well, that would be the question. Right. The question would be if in fact this was intentional, how was it orchestrated surrounding the earth?

Cristina: Mm. You have an answer to that? Mm.

Jack: Okay. So in order to figure out what's going on, we gotta go further back in time. Right. We gotta go back to see where the old equator lands, trace everything that happens and see kind of where it falls. So things we do know roughly about 450 million years ago was the line where it felt fell most exact over a list of over 20 different monuments. And now the molly the monuments are spread out through thousands, hundreds of thousands of years. Sometimes some before we believe people existed.

Cristina: What you're saying they're. That they're so old.

Jack: Yeah. That it's like okay, we know that people must have made this but how old it tells us there are must destroy our understanding of like where humanity began or some crap like that, you know. Okay, so some of those are that there's a lot of gaps here, a lot of missing information. We just know that somehow throughout the course of time people have aligned again. Sometimes they were at the same time, but a lot of the time they weren't. I don't understand how weird aligned just encircling the earth. So some key places that this touches include Europe, India, Australia. So you gotta orient the earth in such a way that this line is going to cross these points. The equator we have runs from our proverbial left to right. If you look at our traditional map, it's just slightly slanted like it starts to lower United States.

Cristina: And the headline.

Jack: Yeah, the current equator. But you'd have to tilt this almost vertically to go through England, to go through India, to go through Australia. Okay. Never really weird line.

Cristina: That is very weird.

Jack: That is strange. But that's how everything is rotating, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So and this pushes the North Pole and the South Pole onto the equator.

Cristina: What do you mean? Wait, those.

Jack: They would have landed on the equator there. That's a consistent temperature at all times. Which is proven with the fact that it has been shown that both the north and South Pole were you know geologists were not discovered long ago that the there were rainforests there.

Cristina: Were there people there?

Jack: Were there people?

Cristina: Yeah. They haven't found any ancient anything on those parts of the world.

Jack: Well that's an argument for a different day. But there is a lot on how to. That's kind of question whether or not there is or isn't. There's some evidence that. But it could have been left afterwards or by travelers coming through in much later years and preserve. The problem is being Preserved obscures your time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay, so it becomes difficult to say whether it was this long ago or this long ago, but there were rainforests there now.

Cristina: What a ridiculous line.

Jack: Yeah, it's. It gets more ridiculous than that. It gets so much more ridiculous than that.

Cristina: How.

Jack: Okay, here is the pyramids of Pizza.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: There is a beautiful line from the tip of all of them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That is the tip of each one is aligning perfectly to a constellation. I believe this is Orion. And so weird. The weirder part is that the coordinates, I believe, for longitude towards north or something like that is 29.979245. Okay, whatever. But the speed of light is 299-79245, right?

Cristina: Stop lying. What?

Jack: So these are just some interesting tidbits about something that lands on the equator. Now, we already had theories about there being ancient civilizations, and usually it aims towards the Mayans or aims towards the Egyptians.

Cristina: So this lining up does like. That makes sense. It's possible. They see the stars. It looks doable. It makes sense that that's possible. Yes, but the coordinates matching up to.

Jack: The speed of light, how would they know? How would they know? How would they. This suggests that they had knowledge that was discovered and or invented thousands of years later.

Cristina: What were they doing with that knowledge? What would that help them with? What, how and why? And what?

Jack: The problem is, if they have this information, that means they have the capacity to acquire this information, which means they were way more advanced than we thought they were.

Cristina: What were they doing with that information, though?

Jack: Interesting. No?

Cristina: Were they space travelers? This is where we're getting to the point, I think.

Jack: Is it? We're talking about highly advanced civilizations, I don't think. I mean, they're probably space travelers too. Come on.

Cristina: This is crazy, but this is crazy.

Jack: I mean, we have. We're not space travelers. When we have the speed of light, we understand the speed of light.

Cristina: We're traveling in space, at least above us.

Jack: Locally. Yeah, locally. And we're. We're probing a little farther, I suppose. So most of this information is totally impossible that they had based on what we understand, which means we.

Cristina: We understand nothing. We don't understand anything.

Jack: Yeah, that's the usual conclusion.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But they should, in theory, possess in order to accomplish these things, knowledge about geometry and knowledge about physics and mathematics in general that was invented or discovered much later that we believe we invented and discovered recently.

Cristina: Yes, we're wrong.

Jack: But we're wrong because they clearly had it, which means they were about, or at least as good as we were. With evidence. They were as developed as we were with evidence. What does that mean? And we can. I don't know why. When we think back, we think back at outdated people. This information is. Again, I'm framing it in a way that's just changing how you're thinking of something you've been told a million times. Everybody knows this information. But when I word it the way I've worried it, it's suddenly like, wait, they were like us? Exactly, but way back then. Not too different. No, they had our exact capacity, or bare minimum, our knowledge, understanding of how the universe works in their hands.

Cristina: That is so weird. That is weird because you think like, yeah, they're.

Jack: They're long ago.

Cristina: They're long ago.

Jack: So we call them, you know, we call them advanced civilizations. But in comparison to old civilizations, we're like, okay, they were. You know, this is a very. We use words like developed. They were well developed. But we don't like. No, no, no, no. They understood. They got it, man.

Cristina: They got the speed of light. How does that make sense?

Jack: That's. Yes, that's high advanced science. They acquired things we're holding up now as prize, proud possessions.

Cristina: We don't have any of their. Whatever they were studying, like books or anything. They're papers. Can we translate anything?

Jack: We have things that survived time. Papers would be swallowed up. So immediately, no books. No, we got things drawn on a wall. We got, you know, rocks carved into things.

Cristina: None of that means anything.

Jack: Yeah, things that withstand long periods of time as opposed to now. This brings up an interesting different idea, which is maybe a lot of the time. I mean, we build statues just to remember things, but statues tend to be like, some of the stronger things that withstand time. Like a flag is gonna dissolve quickly. This is gonna be eaten up. It's gonna become just organic matter for something simple Rock, statues, things like that. Monuments, the things that get left behind. These giant pyramids, all that stuff. No, that survives time. Maybe the point of that is to leave information behind.

Cristina: Yes. Well, for some reason, because of the whole speed of light thing, that reminded me of the thing we sent into space. Like, what if that's what the pyramids are? We're not meant to understand what's in the pyramids. All those symbols, the. What are they called, the symbols that they write on the walls?

Jack: Hieroglyphs.

Cristina: Yes. What if that's for aliens?

Jack: What if that's for aliens?

Cristina: I mean, the ones outside.

Jack: Yeah. Like ones we can't figure out. The ones we couldn't decipher. Fair enough.

Cristina: Like what if they really believe there was life outside, even if there wasn't?

Jack: Like they were doing what we were doing.

Cristina: Yes. Like we throw things in space hoping to find someone.

Jack: They were out exploring. They were sending messages.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Except they got way more clever about it. They designed the pyramids. Maybe the pyramids were a physical manifestation of something letting space know that we're here. Yes, we're here. Look at what we under. This is how well we understand that you're out there. Look at what we did.

Cristina: Yeah. They not only knew science, they believe in aliens.

Jack: They believed in aliens. Not only did they believe in aliens, they were making. Taking active steps to communicate.

Cristina: Mm. Where everything else on this line doing the same thing, though, because this is one great example of it. But what about everything else that's on that line?

Jack: Okay. Everything on this line is one of these weird monuments like Stonehenge or something like that, that they're a clock that somehow aligns with all the. The constellations in a certain order, the ones that calculate an entire year. And it's a single location. Just impossible. Of knowledge that shouldn't have. We don't. One, we don't know how it was built, thus showing advanced construction knowledge. And two, we. It the symbol. Symbology of it so advanced that we are definitely not understanding what the h*** it means, which is probably some form of communication. The ones we don't get is probably because we just haven't discovered that level.

Cristina: Because it's not for us anyway.

Jack: But we're eventually going to get there anyways. It'll make sense. Like right now we can look at the pyramids and be like, ah, Ah, look at that. We can see the pattern. We get it all. That's advanced. Yeah, but if we're just cavemen, we don't get it.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And a bunch of cavemen must have stumbled upon these things and been like, okay, whatever. But we get curious. We start excavating, like, what? Oh, there's something here. Fascinating. As we get through, we discover, oh, wow, There's a pattern. It is aligned perfectly with this constellation. Interesting. That is interesting. So as we advance, so did they as. Oh, first, we didn't even know how they built it. And I was like, how the h*** did they do this? And wow, they were way more advanced than we thought. But they were all this way, all of them.

Cristina: It was all different time periods. That's what's strange.

Jack: All different time periods.

Cristina: Different time periods, different locations.

Jack: Are they doing it? So we're just a little blip of the many times this has come and gone.

Cristina: It makes sense. We're as obsessed with science. Like eventually every civilization gets to that point where they want to know what's out there. And like, how do we say hi I guess is the next step to that?

Jack: Yeah, reaching out, using it. It's so complicated, Right, because they're also recording information. This is just imagine the complex nature of this. They are informing aliens. Because of the size and magnitude and complexity of the structure visible from space, you can see this magnificent thing.

Cristina: But what does the equator have to do with anything?

Jack: Well, this is a really weird thing, right?

Cristina: Yes. Because like, what about all the other civilizations?

Jack: Well, the same thing applies here across the board.

Cristina: Not on this line. I mean like all the other.

Jack: Well, that's what's really weird, right. The minority of them exist off of it all the ones we consider advanced civilizations in any manner, shape or form minus two or three outliers seem to primarily exist along that ancient equator line.

Cristina: Okay, but the ones that are outside of it, do they also seem to be this type of thing of like, hey, space.

Jack: Okay, one, yes, it seems consistent across the board with all the more ancient ones. There seems to be messaging through size and engraving really complex level of information. Again with the pyramids as an example. They're used to record information as much as to create a signal. So there's. They're letting whatever can see it know we have advanced construction, we know advanced science. And it records the information of that constellation as well as places them directly where something like the speed of light. So look, we have this level of information. If you've acquired this much, this is one we haven't gone beyond. Look, with this advanced. That's how they're communicating so much.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: With placement, with size. And the following argument would be that the way the stones are laid themselves, there's also conveying some next level of information that all the monuments follow this logic. As we become more advanced through civilized. Through our own courses in civilization will sort of level up and find the next understanding of what the next rock meant, what the next big stone left over there was. We're gonna be like, ah, we get it. Because we just got there ourselves. We discovered the thing.

Cristina: Yeah, but you're saying also the places outside of this line are doing the same thing.

Jack: The place is outside of this line have two interesting constants that seem to apply to all of them, including everything in Mexico and Brazil, which I say because primarily in Mexico and Brazil it seems that all of the infer it seems are highly advanced. But nothing screaming into the void, whatever was happening over there had everybody fleeing. Like we said before. There was the sudden absence of people from the Mayan temples and the entire Mayan civilization subsequently suddenly. Okay, this happens over and over through a bunch of the ancient Brazilian civilizations as well. Mass evacuations and sudden disappearances of entire civilizations that are just gone. But they were all about as developed as would have to be for the ones that land on the equator or the ancient equator.

Cristina: Is this. No, but these places are on the new equator.

Jack: These places do not land on an equator.

Cristina: Okay. Not. Oh. Not new.

Jack: These places don't land on an equator at all.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I'm sure at some point in time they must have. Everything must land on the equator eventually. It slowly rotates along the entirety of the planet. But the fact that there was an alignment to an exact moment of one is an amazing feat done throughout time. Strange. With civilizations we did not know had the knowledge required to do so.

Cristina: We're trying to speak to aliens, maybe.

Jack: I believe the best example of that, which is why I keep coming back to it, because I find it the most fascinating and seems to show the most information is the pyramids. Pyramids. That's a lot. You're recording information. You're showing information, quite specifically, two large bits of information. Constellations, thus understanding of space and the speed of light. Explaining understanding of physics. You're showing and understanding how the world is round. You're conveying that through showing coordinates in the first place.

Cristina: What's the chance that it's coincidence that the coordinates, the coordination matches up so well with the speed of light?

Jack: That is highly exact.

Cristina: But it's not equal. It's not the same. It's just. It's the same numbers.

Jack: Yes. Okay.

Cristina: It's not, you know, so the tip.

Jack: Of the tallest pyramid lands to the millionth decimal point. That is amazing.

Cristina: That is okay.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: So what were the other places like, though?

Jack: It was just all the monuments we are used to. Okay, is this a bunch of trivial crap that we don't understand? For the most part, a bunch of ancient advanced messaging systems, presumably based on the logic we're following, that I guess ultimately resulted. Now, the. The pattern here is that there anyone that was along this exact line was reaching outward and anybody who wasn't on this line was reaching inward. What's the disparity with what's happening here? Which is also familiar. Again, everybody discusses the Mayan evacuation and the disappearances of the people like them just kind of vanishing from either large famines or something that collapse all of society. Very quickly.

Cristina: That's possible.

Jack: Yeah. Like it's discussed very often. But the. The without a trace part is the. The complex nature there, which is people. Why people suggest there must be mass grave systems underneath, which is why there's no trace. People went. Because they would just continuously bury everybody within these structures that we're not going to destroy. Trying to get to.

Cristina: Okay. Like people were dying.

Jack: Yeah. The people disappeared.

Cristina: Plague.

Jack: They don't know people were dying. People just vanished.

Cristina: But a theory is that they just died.

Jack: Yeah. A theory is that maybe famine or some plague or something pretty dark hit them. And they probably have mass grave systems underneath it. With our advancing technologies, we'll be able to excavate without destroying anything eventually. Truly witness and see. But that's the ongoing theory that that's probably really what happened.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That they're just all down there. Catacombs that stretch on to forever.

Cristina: I just don't understand why these places. The old. The old line and.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Why the new line isn't doing the same.

Jack: Why the people on the line just continued to change and evolve and move on. I do not know. I do not know. It's very, very, very strange that that happens at all. That's. It's haunting to me that this is the case. It's. And again, it's just information that we have casually laying around. Anybody can just look this up and see. But why isn't this like more of a. Interesting pursuit? I guess. How. What?

Cristina: It's so weird because it's on the equator. Like the equator has the least time. Like, isn't their nighttime less than the other. The rest of the world?

Jack: No, the equator is. Wait, their nighttime is less. Yeah, I think the equator gets more light.

Cristina: Yeah. For them to be so obsessed with the. Or maybe that's why they're so obsessed with the night.

Jack: Or I guess it's not necessarily that. The equator. I guess the equator is hot. Right. Because the equator has the most consistent temperature. I believe is the case. Or it's the turning point.

Cristina: Yeah. But I feel like it is the hottest point for us.

Jack: But you gotta. You one. You're spinning the earth a different way.

Cristina: So you think it was different?

Jack: Yeah, it would have to be because the sun is still in the same location relative to where the Earth is. You're just changing how the earth is spinning.

Cristina: So you think they had more time in the night instead.

Jack: It depends how the earth rotates relative to the sun. I gotta see the rotation and where the sun rests relative to Earth. Answer that.

Cristina: Because that would make sense of why. Maybe they're way more into space and stuff. If they had spent way more time or way little time at night, like to become obsessed with that.

Jack: I don't know if they had longer nights.

Cristina: Yeah, if they had longer nights, could.

Jack: Definitely be the case. So first, how did we get to a point where the equator shifted so dramatically? The first theory is that there was a comet of some sort of course that at some point hit the Earth. That is the ongoing. This is how we got from here to a point A to point B. Hit it hard enough to force a little bit of quicker before the pull of the moon settled us again.

Cristina: Okay, that was just a little, you.

Jack: Know, a small enough rock with enough speed, Bloop. Tilts just a tiny little bit. But the moon is more powerful. So the moon's gonna stop it, but the wobble just kind of. You. You moved it enough that a little spin happened before it totally stopped. And now has a new rotation, whatever the case might be. So that 100% alters the rotation, changes it from one set to the other. You turn, changes the amount of degrees required.

Cristina: And there's more than one theory?

Jack: Well, this is the important theory because it lines up with everything. This specific theory falls along with the fact that we can prove there were rainforests in the Arctic and Antarctic. Okay. Because if they were getting consistent light, if the equator is the line that's getting the most heat.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If that's the case, then that wasn't frozen. The poles would be what we look at a map and think of as left as right. And right now.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That would fall more accurately. Those would be frozen over, getting the least amount of sunlight on average. Or unless the sun was located in those positions. I guess that would be just if the sun was located towards the North Pole, but our equator was what it still is right now, the North Pole would be a hellscape. The South Pole would be a frozen shitstorm that nobody could live on. And the equator that exists now would be the most balanced temperature relative if the sun was directly on top of where we consider to be the North Pole right now.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So we can still have an equator that doesn't fall where the sun is. The sun could just be on top of us. The equator is the turning point. So the line you would draw as to where the Earth is turning by so we can put the sun on top. And so now this s***'s still getting blasted, but it never ends.

Cristina: I really thought that both poles, though, were.

Jack: No. Well, right now, both our poles are frozen. I'm trying to visualize where the sun lands. Right. Because both our poles are frozen now, but they were both rainforests before. So however the turn is, it was still facing it's directly opposite. It shifted just enough so that the rotation was sending all of those things to face the sun consistently. Somehow we just ended up in the same situation. That's weird. It's weird that it happened that way. It almost feels designed.

Cristina: Is that a theory?

Jack: No. But like I think I just invented my own. It feels too intentional to be almost polar opposite is too exact coincidences of Earth.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So weirdly enough, the change in rotation, the beginning of rotating periods, the beginning of other rotating periods led me down the rabbit hol of looking into the shifting tides of Earth and how ice ages come and go and how information gets lost as the Earth gets shifted. So some of this knowledge gets obscured and it becomes harder to tell what the original intention for a lot of this stuff was.

Cristina: Yeah, ice ages.

Jack: The comet hits shifts from where we were over millions of years gradually being slowed down. But over. It took millions of years to slow down, but eventually it did slow down. But again over the course of millions of years. But it was tilted already. The change was there. It was already affected. 480 million years ago. It was here. And over many millions of years it slowly slowed and slowed and slowed. And it went again exactly 90 degrees before it stopped. Boom. And now the rotation is the other way. It spun and spun. It spun until 90 degrees and it just. It slowed down more and more and more. And that's where it's finally stopped and settled. And now we have a different equator, probably by comet. But in that amount of time the poles begin to shift as heat begins to shift and everything starts to change and the planet's temperatures start to move around and we get new tropical areas.

Cristina: Is exactly the opposite. Or no.

Jack: Yeah. If you were to be. Not to. Luckily no, it's not an exact difference. But close. It's pretty close. If you were to look at it at a distance and draw the two equators, you'd be like ow. And presumably it hasn't stopped shifting. Maybe it will hit the exact 90 at some point. It's just we got to look at this in a millions of years scope as opposed to our blip 5,000 years reaches it.

Cristina: I wonder if we're going to be starting. We're going to start to see people do weird things on that side or what if there are things on that side. Have we looked? I mean, yeah, I guess we Have. And that's why we see places with stuff that's not on the equator or the old equator, but it's not on the new one either. But maybe one day it will be.

Jack: Maybe. Maybe. So the argument would be, has the Earth already gone through a phase in which every point has been on the equator, or are there many points left? When we think of the 90 degree we're going to hit, was there 80 degree before that? Has it? Are we close to completing a circle? How far from a full circle are we? Yeah, you know, that's the ultimate question. We don't really know how far along that line. So it's possible that we either have more to go because it's gonna keep changing forever, as is the nature of a random spinning sphere. Yeah, like, it's eventually gonna be everywhere. But has it already? And would that explain these other locations? Because there are arguments in that favor. But also, it looks like the equator is essentially a lifeline towards the opposite of a death line. When you think about it, anything that the further away from the equator you are, the more hostile the environment is going to be. That's why right now, the north and South Pole are inhospitable. But when they were on the equator, we had two locations that were inhospitable that weren't on the equator. And that's always going to be the case. Every point on Earth as it continues to spin is eventually going to be an inhospitable shithole that's totally going to be frozen over.

Cristina: Mm. Where was the old north and South Pole?

Jack: Okay, so after looking at it, after.

Cristina: Looking at a globe.

Jack: After looking at a globe, the poles end up in such a way that the. That one of the poles is South Africa and the other one of the poles, it's somewhere in the North Pacific.

Cristina: So those would have been code.

Jack: Those would have been frozen over. In order for a line to go through India, Australia, and Europe and the Earth to be rotating in such a way that the north and South Pole become tropical rainforest areas. In order for that to be the case, it was spinning along that equator. And thus the other two locations got hot because it was spinning in such a way that that was. The equator was still facing the sun. That's the requirement for the equator to be hot. It must be facing the sun. And it looks like the spin changed in such a way that that used to be the case and now is not. So South Africa and the North Pacific are the two extreme poles of the old equator.

Cristina: There's nothing in this Pacific, is there?

Jack: Is this water inside the North Pacific? Nothing particularly astounding, just frozen back. But that does. So what have we covered so far? We know that a lot of these structures are informative. We know that the ones that don't land on the line are the least informative and tend to quickly dissolve. Like they were recording, not screaming. The ones along the line were screaming as much as they were recording, although most of it seemed like it was screaming. But also, we don't understand and we're just assuming they're trying to tell us something. Maybe they are. Maybe it's both. Maybe all of them. Both, but not along the equator disappear, usually. Famine, starvation, some theory of a total collapse on the equator. Survive, thrive, become highly advanced, and then become the people that today we know in the countries that moved on to be the places that today we know. So weird pattern that only exists for that moment's equator again. The equator has shifted and been everywhere at all times. Why are they still thriving when the equator is no longer gracing them? Those kinds of weird things are the ones we gotta consider when we're looking at this kind of stuff.

Cristina: But why is equator important?

Jack: I don't know. They just. The ones that survived, the ones that were highly advanced. And the majority of these structures, all of which are built in, complicated. The ones we could, like, tell you how it was built, not on the equator. The ones that were on there, we have no idea how the h*** they were put together. Something about that line was a line of information outward and inward collectively. Now, the changing of the tides, the changing of the currents that happened with the shift of the equator led to the possibility that the events of the Great Flood is the biblical Great Flood, are what was really happening. They're describing the true nature of what happened as the polar ice caps melted and the sea levels rose dramatically, drowning essentially everything as a redistribution of water.

Cristina: Are you even alive though, then?

Jack: Well, that's what's weird about this, right? So the change of the equator was placed somewhere where the people who built along that line, that was millions of years in the past, from their time, all thrived. There's some reason that they placed their civilization or their structures that to this day have withstood the tests of impossible amounts of time where other crap has completely disappeared. And they're all along the same line. Something about this has protected something about this. The conditions are just right, just something. Something allows this to be the case, that these are the thriving, successful things while everything else collapse and falls apart. And we have traces that are just hard to understand in bits and pieces, trying to piece a message together. While here we have entire messages that we just don't understand because they're too complicated.

Cristina: It's so weird because they place their things, or at least the Egypt one. I don't know if all of them. They place it there because of the stars. It had nothing to do with the equator. It just happens that they all line up on the equator. But if they're all looking at the stars, what. What weird connection is happening?

Jack: Interesting, no?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The Egyptians have the most complicated of all the structures. Again, we have clocks, we have astrologic alignments of the constellations. We have tracking day cycles. We have explanations of different physical, you know, problems in physics. Physics. Solutions, equations, many different things. Nobody is keeping up with the complicated nature of what was accomplished with the pyramids. And to then lay on top. That it's possible that the bricks were laid out in such a way that they themselves contain information goes back to the people of the village in. I think it was. It must have been a. Either a Mexican or a Brazilian civilization that keeps track of their information in knots and inches.

Cristina: That's very strange.

Jack: Yes. But it. It makes me think of that when somebody says the bricks are laid in such a way that they have information we're trying to decode, I'm like, well, yeah, I guess I get it because I have a reference point.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Of like these people also did like a physical weird other way that isn't writing.

Cristina: Yeah. It made something outside of what we consider normal.

Jack: Yeah. They went a whole other route with it. And that these pyramids, again, position both relative to constellations and the alignment of stars and relative to specific. Like, how do you accomplish that? That's a pretty complicated one. And then you're still at the equator at the time that you're doing it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They were aligning. Yeah, they were aligning a couple of things.

Cristina: Did they have unicorns? I still wonder how you got to from unicorns. This I have any idea how the.

Jack: H*** I got from one point to the other.

Cristina: Did you talk about unicorns?

Jack: Maybe. But the theory and the story as pieced together would go that 150,000 years ago the normal tides were taking place.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: Okay, so 480 million years ago, we were at the end of the old equator.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that from that point forward, we were moving towards the new equator. Right towards the end of that period, about 150,000 years ago, the Earth still had its north. Because again, we're talking millions of years in scope The Earth in a million years, barely moved. Things barely changed. But still the Earth has its normal rhythms that it goes through. Tides come in and out. Seasons change, all the things that happen. So every couple of hundred thousand years, the Earth tides shift, water recede. This built into the the current ice caps. Then later they melt down, fill the oceans, and the tides come back in and like infinite cycles of crap. So as we're getting towards the end, this is a weird moment where two things are happening simultaneously. We have the normal tides coming to an end, and we're reaching the end of our new equator, getting to a point where it's stabilizing as the moon's gravity is forcing us to stop. So we get where we're going about 150,000 years ago, where we're entering the end of the receding water. I guess the beginning of the water starts receding for the new tide era, and we're reaching the point where things are about to stop. So there's less water than there has ever been to the point that land mass is about the size of Great Britain. Completely rose from the water. That's how far the water pulled back. It just released land masses that size. But 150,000 years is a long freaking time. People spread like roaches on these lands.

Cristina: There aren't lands anymore.

Jack: Well, they're not lands anymore. They got swallowed back about 12,000 years ago.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But in that time, people spread out and went all over the place.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Right. This. This began. This process began 150,000 years ago. That's where the water begins to recede. People start to notice. They start to come into these lands and settle as the water starts to go away. We're talking thousands of years pass as the water keeps going back and, oh, yeah, water keeps going, you know, build our houses and whatever the narrative, how I think the events went by.

Cristina: And is this gonna be explanation of Atlantis or something?

Jack: Literally, yes.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: Literally, yes. Because apparently there was enough information to corroborate the existence of Atlantis for quite a while. It's just we don't have the actual proof of the place. But everything tells us there must be, in fact, an Atlantis factually, without a question. It must. Outside of fiction. It must. Outside of fiction, it's probably there, and they were probably advanced. That's probably a real place. Why everything lines up. They seem to have been the most advanced out of all these civilizations. And it landed precisely in the Persian Gulf that happens to be on the line. And all the underwater monuments we have found for the oversized civilization that we don't really have any are all in the Persian Gulf. All of that was in there. So they had the clocks, they had the. They had space mapped out in the constellations. They had designs for batteries on the pyramids that they had and inscribed on. There's some stone walkways that go in their direction that they had pillars of. I'm sure you've seen the photos of them. It's like they just go into the water. Yeah, it's like pillars that just walk into the water.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And they have. That wasn't water before.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Dry land.

Cristina: There's nothing there now.

Jack: There's nothing there now because as the. What you got to understand, the Persian Gulf is also in the cross section of four rivers.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The water didn't rise around you. Rivers race towards you.

Cristina: Okay. But there's no nothing in there now. There's not people.

Jack: The amount of pressure that the water slammed into that place with, why did.

Cristina: You slam into it?

Jack: Because it was rivers.

Cristina: Yeah. But this slowly happened. If it slowly became land, it slowly became water.

Jack: Well, the problem is that we're. You're just thinking of the equator. We're also counting the fact that the waters are receding and that we're entering a period of. So 150,000 years ago. The water pulled back, the people settled. These events that are then going to collapse the society happen about 70,000 years ago when we're still reaching the very end. But now we've totally swapped poles. Things in the previous poles are so hot that they're just falling into the water in giant chunks. There's that hot. At the same time. The water is at halfway now it's coming back anyways. So the water starts to come back in as it naturally leaves and then comes back in at the. So usually they go and become the polar ice caps. The polar ice caps collapse over time, fall back into the water. This is how it naturally happens over millions of thousands of years. But the course of the equator changing happened over millions of years and was resulting in the same thing the previous. But it's collapsing the previous polar caps completely in order to make new ones at the same moment that those were already gonna break down a little to follow its normal. So you got twice the force of these polar ice caps completely collapsing, falling apart and melting into nothingness. Hitting the water all in one shot. This then leads to the biblical flood that we find out about when that happens. About 12,000 years ago now, again, the waves start coming back. The pressure, the current, the tide returns about 70,000 years ago. But it starts slowly and these things start to line up. And the thousands of years start to line up with the millions of years where they hit the one moment where on both South Africa and the North Pacific, these previously frozen points are so gone. And they're just collapsing and falling in huge chunks into the water Back to back to back to back to back. There's just pure sunlight hitting them all the time now. That's just falling apart, hitting the water. Water levels rising like crazy. But anything not touching any of the coasts is safe to some degree because water will rise slowly around you. You can run away from that if you are along the old equator. So you're alive, you're safe. You're dodging all of the giant waves from all the colossal ice that's falling, except the people in the Gulf. Now, everybody who is not in Anybody who is in the old equator survived because there's nothing but land stopping them. There's land and stop and land and stop and land. So the water hits and falls and hits and falls. Okay, it's collapsing around them. They're safe. It becomes problematic specifically for the Persian Gulf, where you are connected to the oceans, Even if you yourself are very, very, very far from them. And as the water over there in west h*** starts rushing down that river from one side, and over here, north h*** starts rushing down your way, and one from the south and the one from the east are all rushing. Everybody around you is fine. But you're where there wasn't even water. There's just crevices from the previous time that there was nothing but water there. And you set your home there, you set your civilization there. You developed into the most advanced civilization of that time. And you were the closest to the very center of that equator. What a weird coincidence. The closer you were, the more advanced you were and also the safer you were. Except you the closest to touch it.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Except you the closest to touch that line. Everybody else stationed themselves around it. You who falls on the line, gone. You're in a place where all of the worst is gonna hit you. No trace of your existence. Rivers with the pressure of the oceans raced at you and then gone. And there's nothing left. And you are just a story. But yeah, there was probably, definitely something there. And it was probably really advanced and probably more advanced than the most advanced that we're looking at, which seems to be bare minimum about as Vance as we are. And we still wouldn't be able to do what they accomplished. So they were probably more Advanced that we are, which are the Egyptians.

Cristina: But there's no proof.

Jack: Nope. Yet there's a bunch of just.

Cristina: I mean there's proof that there was civilization.

Jack: Civilization. We can't prove how advanced they were.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Based on all the other things, how it lines up, you would suggest that. Yeah, I guess in theory. Then it's the only ones who didn't make it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The ones who touch the line don't make it. The ones surrounding the line do really phenomenally well. And the ones furthest from the line go away with a whimper. What does that mean relative to that line? What's happening with that old equator? Why were.

Cristina: Why does being there it seems really random?

Jack: The problem is if it's really random, then the entire assortment of civilizations that built everything along that line at totally random moments all just happen to do the most complex known to man thing at the same spot.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know. It doesn't make sense.

Jack: It breaks logic to some degree because we're not sure what it is we're even discussing at this point. How, why. What's the ultimate goal? What information are you trying to convey? What information are you trying to record?

Cristina: Where did they get that information?

Jack: Where they get the information? Yeah. So as the water comes up, people flee, people spread out. The idea is that the civilizations that settled along the line, the old equator, Mm. If it was by total random chance, did so because it was also simultaneously the safest place. And they were. Who would survive the great flood that overtook the earth. And by being on that old equator, it's not that the earth was spinning in that axis, but rather that that old equator just happens to be along a line that's.

Cristina: Were they around the time the flooding was even happening?

Jack: Yes, they are. The civilizations that immediately follow the flood, Ancient Egypt, Jerusalem, all the Bible people, all of that follows the great flood. Which kind of falls perfectly with where history tells us it would be that we got flooded. That, that does line up clean. The fact that there was an actual flood, we can calculate. And that happened roughly around the time that it happened biblically. And then we have these advanced civilizations station themselves. Then something within that thousand year period happens where these people get. Or I guess the problem is they had the knowledge, but they lost all the everything else. So they had to recreate along where they are. We're gonna. We're gonna fall apart at some point because we've lost what we were because of this crazy flood that hit us. So they made settlements that then evolved into Egypt. Settlements that then evolved into Whatever the h*** made the Machu Picchu thing, You know, all these things along the equator, they made the settlements that happened and became advanced with what they had from the previous people that they were. And they left the signals or messages or whatever. Probably not even reaching out to space, but more just like this is what we were capable of before. Before the flood. This is a. This is a capacity of our people. These monuments are how great we really are capable of being.

Cristina: But they did that after the flood.

Jack: After the. Well, all of these civilizations come after the flood.

Cristina: Okay. Well, does that one place that is. Might have been flooded have to do with anything?

Jack: What place that might have been flooded?

Cristina: The one in the middle of the line.

Jack: That would have been Atlantis. That would have been the most advanced of them all. But something about it being dead on the line prevented it from being safe like all the others. As opposed to all the things that are surrounding that line. As opposed to all the things that are surrounding. Anyways, I thought that that was kind of crazy that we have this old equator that has a bunch of monuments and old ancient sculptures and fascinating things that we can't unravel or understand by any means.

Cristina: Very interesting.

Jack: And they all land on the line that they could not have had information for unless they were significantly more advanced than we thought. Probably as advanced as we are now.

Cristina: It's a crazy thought to you, but it could be.

Jack: It's probably. It's. It has to be for them to have that knowledge. We just have to stop being egotistical and assume that they were at least. At least as good as we are.

Cristina: Whoa. Yeah.

Jack: Because have we done that? We have not aligned.

Cristina: We threw stuff at space.

Jack: Yeah, I'm sure they did that too. But what's interesting enough is that we haven't done that, but I'm sure we could. It's probably really easy for us to build three buildings following Orion or something like that, you know, like, it's probably really, really ridiculously easy.

Cristina: Who says we haven't?

Jack: There are clever things. I love some of the buildings in New York that are angled in such ways so they look like different structures. That's cool.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I guess if an alien were to like, travel and they'd be like, wow, these people are serious, they'd see that and still be pretty impressed. I guess art does that in general, right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Science and art. That's it. The conveyance of intellect, anyways. Yes. I thought that was interesting. There was way more, but it's.

Cristina: It's too much.

Jack: It's just too it's too much to be coincidence. An excessive amount. A ridiculously excessive amount to be coincidence.

Cristina: But there's no proof of anything.

Jack: There's no proof of any. I mean they all do fall on that line. And that line is the problem is it's all provable. What does it mean really? That's. That's.

Cristina: Yes. What does it mean?

Jack: A bunch of coincidences. But okay. So they were probably really advanced. Okay.

Cristina: And what? Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: Okay. This is fascinating. But okay.

Cristina: Great one. They will find their rocket.

Jack: Yeah. I just love that it does reframe how we think of them though. To have proof that they were at least as developed as we are. It's like. Oh, I pictured what they pretend when they show us in movies. I guess.

Cristina: Definitely wrong.

Jack: Definitely wrong. You know they were all doing the. The. The Egyptian dance when they walked and they only drew on walls because they didn writing yet or something. And it's like nah bro, they know the speed of light. Do you?

Cristina: No.

Jack: Like what?

Cristina: That's so crazy. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. But it is what it is. Anyways. Anyways. Just thought that was interesting and very weird. So I hope you enjoyed that information that I stumbled upon.

Cristina: Maybe the audience. I did.

Jack: But yeah, maybe I'll do the rest of it eventually. It's just so much. I just can't. Kept falling down this rabbit hole. I don't know how I landed there. But it was fascinating. And I don't know what the point of it is. There's probably a point to it. It just kept going. So there's way more to look into do it. But it literal just portals into websites of documents completely just documenting anything and everything surrounding all of the details surrounding all of the civilizations and all of the monuments and all the stuff. It's like real complicated. Deep dive.

Cristina: That's interesting.

Jack: It is. It looks like thousands of pages worth of work though. Pretty cool. But yeah. So I hope you enjoyed that. I hope everybody, the audience, you and you guys should look into it. Really weird.

Cristina: Really weird. And we have other weird episodes. There are many space related.

Jack: Probably space. There's also ancient civilizations. Many ancient civilization episodes.

Cristina: Space episodes.

Jack: Many space episodes.

Cristina: Aliens.

Jack: That was actually one of the theories for the pyramids I really got. I really fell into those pyramids. I was so obsessed with the pyramids. It's so complicated. The suggestions would be they either possessed knowledge themselves that was beyond our current understanding of who they were or they saw something that was beyond us both fear and our understanding of what was possible. And they recorded that without knowing what it meant. Maybe they saw the equations and were sophisticated enough to break it apart and put it down in something like the pyramids without knowing what they were doing. Maybe that was their attempt at figuring it out. Make it bigger so I can read. Oh, not big enough. Make it bigger and see what we get. Just people trying to figure things out.

Cristina: Yeah, that could be it.

Jack: Anyways, I hope you guys enjoyed that. Let me know. Go to the socials, inform us. Go to Twitter, Instagram, tick tock, just convopod.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And tell us about. Not tell us about. I guess tell your homies about the show. We're of mouth is overpowered. Talk to them, inform them. Be like, bro, you like weird things. Here, check this out.

Cristina: If they're not weird, you can still check us out.

Jack: Check us out.

Cristina: Anyway, this has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening by. I don't know what else shows everyone loves. We. What was that movie that everyone was crazy about too, because of the memes? The bird box.

Jack: The bird box. Yeah, we. We got to that after the memes.

Cristina: Oh, we did. Oh, crap. We're never.

Jack: Did we watch it before the memes?

Cristina: I think at the same time, I. I'm not sure though. We might have been late too.

Jack: No, I think actually I saw the trailers to it and then you're like.

Cristina: We'Re gonna watch this. We watched it. But there's not many times we watch things when everyone else is watching it.

Jack: Well, actually I think we watched that the day it came out. So we were like, there's no hype around it.

Cristina: It had to be like the day after because I remember, like everyone posting something about it. Oh, but it could have been after, like right after.

Jack: So either that or people were talking about it. And like, I didn't. Like, maybe they were talking a lot about the movie, but they. They weren't discussing any part of it.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And they were. And I was like, f***, everybody's talking about this. We gotta watch. We gotta go in blind. Did I say that about that movie?

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: You gotta go in blind and find out what the big deal is about. No judgment. This turned out to be great.

Cristina: It did. I know people that didn't like that movie. Ah, but I liked it. It was good.

Jack: It was pretty good. Pretty good movie.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and Published by Great Thoughts.in Fox, art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.